[AccessD] OT: Accelerated Masters Programs

Charlotte Foust cfoust at infostatsystems.com
Fri Apr 11 17:24:04 CDT 2003


On the other hand, which is more likely to wind up in jail, the manager
or the technical guy? <VBG>
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Hale, Jim [mailto:jim.hale at fleetpride.com] 
	Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 2:14 PM
	To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Accelerated Masters Programs
	
	
	Exactly! Think of your competitive advantage compared to other
managers if you actually understand the technical aspect of what you are
managing. They don't, you do, you win. <g> The other part of the
equation IMHO is that purely technical guys salary levels generally cap
out below 6 figures. Good managers have significant growth potential in
both $$ and in terms of career growth. Of course it is like anything
else in life-- you have to enjoy it if you expect to excel. Few are more
miserable than a "manager" who has risen to his "Peter principle" level.
	Jim H
	
	[Hale, Jim]  -----Original Message-----
	From: Randall Anthony [mailto:ranthony at wrsystems.com]
	Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 2:56 PM
	To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Accelerated Masters Programs
	
	

		Thanks for that tidbit, Charles.  I guess I'm just
looking to be identified as a senior technical guy, but not a manager.
I already work for management types who create my project schedules that
couldn't create a form with one table using the Access wizard! <bg>  

			-----Original Message-----
			From: Wortz, Charles
[mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us]
			Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 3:30 PM
			To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
			Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Accelerated Masters
Programs
			
			
			Randy,
			 
			Now that you state your intention is to work
toward senior management, I can state that an MBA is almost a
prerequisite these days to reach that goal.  Also, experience int the
operations side of an organization always helps.  With your 10+ years on
the technical side with an MIS, you should consider the information
intensive industries as your target organizations since that gives you
10 years experience in the operational side already.
			 

			Charles Wortz 
			Software Development Division 
			Texas Education Agency 
			1701 N. Congress Ave 
			Austin, TX 78701-1494 
			512-463-9493 
			CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 

			-----Original Message-----
			From: Randall Anthony
[mailto:ranthony at wrsystems.com] 
			Sent: Friday 2003 Apr 11 14:18
			To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
			Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Accelerated Masters
Programs
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			Thanks Jim, I've been mulling over this for
quite a bit now.  That's exactly what my intent was, but it seems
everyone I've spoken/wrote to in the tech side is saying ROI is nil.
The minute someone sees MBA or MM it's "oh, this guys on the management
track, we want somebody technical".  With my MIS degree, I pretty much
do the translator/referee thing quite a bit.  Right now it's running
about 8 to 1, "get some certs and experience in those cert skills, you
don't need more education".  Thanks again for your advice.

				-----Original Message-----
				From: Hale, Jim
[mailto:jim.hale at fleetpride.com]
				Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 2:57 PM
				To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
				Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Accelerated
Masters Programs
				
				

				I certainly agree with Charles "if you
want to stay on the technical side of the business." However, if you
aspire to management and eventually senior management positions the
combination of business knowledge and technical expertise is relatively
rare and therefore can give you a decided edge (not to mention more $$).
An MBA, or any degree for that matter, does not by itself grant business
smarts but can certainly point you in the right direction. 

				For example, the ability to bridge the
gap as "translator" and "referee" between IT and accounting staffs by
possessing in depth technical and business knowledge of both camps can
make you close to indispensable in some companies ;-). (Indispensable
also=$$). BTW,  Translator/referee/system designer/curmudgeon is
essentially my current job description although I arrived here
bassackwards from your proposed path. (I earned my MBA/CPA first and
became CFO of a NY stock exchange company before switching to the
database/financial reporting side because it is definitely more fun).
Good luck!

				Jim Hale 

				-----Original Message----- 
				From: Wortz, Charles
[mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
				Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 12:12 PM 
				To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
				Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Accelerated
Masters Programs 


				Randy, 

				As an old professor my opinion is an MBA
won't hurt you, but it probably 
				will not help you if you want to stay on
the technical side of the 
				business.  With 10+ years experience
your resume and your good 
				references should get you an interview
with any place worth working. 
				All your references will say you walk on
water, won't they? <grin> 

				Charles Wortz 
				Software Development Division 
				Texas Education Agency 
				1701 N. Congress Ave 
				Austin, TX 78701-1494 
				512-463-9493 
				CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 



				-----Original Message----- 
				From: Randall Anthony
[mailto:ranthony at wrsystems.com] 
				Sent: Friday 2003 Apr 11 12:01 
				To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
				Subject: [AccessD] OT: Accelerated
Masters Programs 

				Hi y'all.  I'm looking for
opinions/suggestions.  I'm looking into an 
				accelerated Master's degree from
Cambridge College (I'm also looking 
				into Univ of Phoenix online program).
It's an MBA on tech steroids, so 
				to speak. Besides proj mgt, etc., I'll
learn Oracle 9i, Java, .net, OOP, 
				XML, HTML, et al.  Has any one gone
through this?  Better yet, any of 
				the mgt types here have an opinion on
the impact it would have on down 
				the road?  I've got 10+ years in da
business, mainly doing 
				DBA/development in Access, SQL and .ASP.
Your opinions are definitely 
				wanted.  Thanks! 

				Randy @ ext. 473 
	
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