Drew Wutka
DWUTKA at marlow.com
Wed Jul 9 11:30:16 CDT 2003
I didn't mean that ME was a 'Home version' of W2k, what I meant was it was the Home 'release' for Windows 2000. It was introduced about the same time as W2k, just like NT 4.0 and 98. Yes ME was built on 9x technology, XP Home is the first 'home' windows version that is actually built on NT technology, but it is built to emulate 9x functionality. Make sense? Drew -----Original Message----- From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 11:09 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: WinXP Personal Nonsense. Millennium edition was just a tweaked version of Win 98. In no way could you call it a home version of Windows 2000, it has/had none of the security features of W2K and the O/S kernel was essentially the same as Win 98, including the stupid 64k of resources (I believe) that were always running out. About the only things the Millennium had in common with W2K were it's ability to 'hide' important O/S files and it could run Media Player 7.0. I agree with the rest of your comments though. XP Pro is the M$ effort to keep the revenue coming in. W2K was too stable and people were getting stuck on it. So push out a new O/S, wait a 'decent' interval before withdrawing support for W2K and at the same time introduce 'subscription' licenses. There you go - a never ending stream of revenue. Lambert > -----Original Message----- > From: Drew Wutka [SMTP:DWUTKA at marlow.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 11:54 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: WinXP Personal > > Actually, there was a Home version of Windows 2000, it was called > MILLENIUM > Edition. > > Also, Windows XP Pro does have a few features that are nice, but comparing > Windows 2000 to ANY of it's predecessors, including NT 4.0, and then > comparing XP to 2k is like apples and oranges. 2k was a major improvement > in almost every way. XP is prettier, and has a few (very few) bonus > features. The boot time on XP is nice, but quite frankly, who cares? I > usually leave my machines on 99% of the time, so during that tiny 1%, 2k > usually boots by the time I get a glass of water anyways! > > A lot of XP's 'bonus' features are also just features that were available > with relatively free software packages, such as Winzip, ZoneAlarm, etc. > > I'm not saying XP Pro is bad, I'm just saying it is not very impressive > compared to it's predecessor. > > Also, for your 'example', look at Access. You have Access, then you have > the developers addition. Access is for everyone, including the 'Home' > Users. The developers addition has extra features for the Experts. > However, with Windows, you have the Server Edition, then you have 2 client > versions, a normal one, and a stripped down one. It would be like selling > an Access version that didn't have report or query capabilities. > > Just my 2 cents > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: Haslett, Andrew [mailto:andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au] > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 8:10 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: WinXP Personal > > > 1. Never said *you* bought XP Home, nor was referring to you in my > comments. > 2. Define the *huge* amount of functionality that XP Home doesn't have. > 3. You seem to have a lot of knowledge on the product (XP) considering you > dont use it. > 4. The reason Win2k Pro had all those features was because there was no > clear distinction in the home/server product lines at that stage. > 5. Users who are not smart enought to work out where everything has > 'moved' > to in XP can change the layout to classic 2K mode. > 6. I was referring to other vendors operating systems when comparing > features, not Windows. > > Just sick of people bagging software to which they either have limited > amount of knowledge, have had a bad experience which warps there opinions > or > are simply MS bashers. > > The fact remains it is the HOME version of a product. It shouldn't have > these features. The web server is a perfect example. The majority of users > will never use it. Worse still, some of them might turn it on by > accident, > opening up a huge number of vulnerabilities. > > It would be great to buy the cheapest version of a product and get all the > features. Unfortunately, we live in the real world and thats not how > businesses operate. If I was the CEO of one of these business I should be > fired. > > (I can't believe my 'middle of the range' Holden Commodore doesn't have > SunRoof, Power Windows, Heated Mirrors & Seat Position Memory - the top > model does!) > > Regards, > Andrew > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] > Sent: Wednesday, 9 July 2003 10:17 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: WinXP Personal > > > Take Win2K Professional, strip out 1/2 the functionality, add "pretty" > graphics, move everything around to a different position so it annoys the > hell out of previous windows users and looks different, and call it XP > Home. > > I run Win2K Pro on my desktops, and Win2K Server on my server. I bought a > Toshiba laptop with Win98 in Ireland (thanks Mark Breen) and IMMEDIATELY > fdisked and installed Win2K Pro. This was November 1997. > > Where you get this "most stable version yet I cannot guess. And what, > pray > tell, is this "amazing functionality"? Win2K is ROCK SOLID. The only > time > I reboot is when I download bug fixes that require reboots. > > I didn't pay for the "extra features" with Win2K Pro. M$ stripped a huge > amount of functionality out when they created "Home". You end up with the > Win98 of the XP line - "sucky software for the ignorant". If that is what > you want, by all means buy it. > > Or just continue using Win2K? > > And I did NOT buy XP Home (and never will, thank you), and am not now > complaining that I can't develop web pages on it. I am simply pointing > out > YET ANOTHER piece of missing functionality, in case some misguided person > should be contemplating their navel and trying to decide whether to buy XP > Home. DON'T DO IT! JUST SAY NO! ETC. ETC. > > John W. Colby > www.colbyconsulting.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Haslett, > Andrew > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 8:06 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: WinXP Personal > > > CASSINI is the web server included with the matrix. > > I don't see why people are bagging XP Home. Why should it include all the > features of XP Pro.. Thats why its called PRO!! > > Its a product designed for the average 'HOME' user of which most would > never > need to develop web pages. You can't base a product line on a majority. > > If people want extra features - pay for it! Its up to users to 'review' a > products features *before* buying it, so I've got no sympathy for people > who > have purchased HOME and now complain about not having a web server. > > XP is the most stable version yet (barring Win2003) and has amazing > functionality compared to the other 'operating systems' available, yet it > receives much criticism of which *most* is undeserved. > > Cheers, > Andrew > ** comfortably sitting on the optimistic side of pessimism ** :=) > > > _______________________________________________ > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ ******************** > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and may > contain information protected by law from disclosure. > If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender > immediately and delete this email from your system. > No warranty is given that this email or files, if attached to this > email, are free from computer viruses or other defects. 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