[AccessD]OT: C# was no-ip.com

William Hindman wdhindman at bellsouth.net
Tue Jul 29 15:42:50 CDT 2003


...hhhmmm ...time to check your sources :)

http://www.port80software.com/surveys/top1000webservers/

William Hindman
...It's a proven fact that if you smoke a pack of cigarettes a day for 90
years, you'll live to a ripe old age. :)))

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 12:11 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD]OT: C# was no-ip.com


> I'm pretty sure that is an accurate percentage. Why? Because far and away
> the most popular web server on the market is Apache. No one else is even
> close. Add to that the Linux factor (almost all large sites use Linux not
> IIS), the ease of combining php and Linux (and MySQL, for data-driven
> sites), and the cost factor, and it all adds up to a formidable
combination.
> Notice that Dreamweaver MX added support for php+mySQL in the latest rev.
> Php is easy to learn and is object oriented. There are free on-line
courses
> and stuff available, too.
>
> Not that I have any current clients who use this combination. Most are
small
> businesses and are afraid to go Linux, or even to combine Oses. But at
home
> I have one Linux-dedicated box and another Win2K Advanced Server that
houses
> an instance of both MySQL and SQL 2K, so I can run .NET from one
workstation
> and Apache/php/mySQL from another.
>
> A.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
> (AccessD)
> Sent: July 29, 2003 1:18 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD]OT: C# was no-ip.com
>
>
> Hi All:
>
> I have seen a recent claim, have no way to validate it but the assertion
> goes as follows: PHP as a server based web language now has almost forty
> percent of the general market...
>
> This claim seems outrageous but that would leave PHP holding the largest
> single market share of that genre of products.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Marcus, Scott
> (GEAE, Contractor)
> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 10:00 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD]OT: C# was no-ip.com
>
>
> John,
>
> Thanks for your optimism on .Net. All I ever here are negative things
about
> MS products (which I make my living with). It is a good point you make
about
> being on the leading edge. I think the same way. I just get discouraged
> cause very few tend to agree with that statement. It seems that most think
> that software development will eventually be all off shore. I say that
> moving off shore totally won't happen (small business needs physical
> presence). JM2C
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 12:49 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD]OT: C# was no-ip.com
>
>
> Scott,
>
> >My only doubts about .Net is that I'm not seeing very many job postings
> >for
> .Net developers (but allot more than Access development).
>
> I am seeing more and more .net openings, at least more and more "ya need
the
> kitchen sink and oh, by the way, ya need .net too" ads.  I get the feeling
> that not many companies really understand it yet - momentum.  However my
> feelings are that MS has spent a TON of money on developing the concept,
and
> are pushing .net big time.  If they put their muscle behind it, it won't
be
> long till it's a "requirement" to get a job and I want to be on the
leading
> edge of this one.  PLUS, the .net framework is truly impressive in the
> capability it gives me "out of the box".
>
> >You must have read the same article as me (actually editors comments).
> >I'm
> leaning VB.Net first and then adding C# to my skills. Seems silly to me
that
> C# pulls in more money.
>
> Yea, it is silly considering the reality of the new .net environment.  I'm
> betting that it won't be long before managers start to listen to M$ saying
> that any language is equally capable and stop paying more for C#.  There
are
> still a very small handful of indirection capabilities that C# has that VB
> doesn't, and if you need them then fine, go there.  Otherwise VB is
probably
> faster to get something up and running in.
>
> And finally, no, my framework has no equivalents in .net for the simple
> reason that my framework is about making form development in Access easier
> (even more RAD).  Since .net is so very different from Access, much of
what
> I do simply doesn't even make sense in .net.  For example, I have a
function
> in my framework that keeps a record selector combo synced to the form
> (bound) and the form synced to the combo.  It turns out that in .net if
you
> set the form (or a data grid) and a combo to the same dataset, selecting a
> record in the combo will just cause the two things to stay in sync (be on
> the same record).  AFAICT, that is because the combo actually sets a
> "current record" property in the dataset object.
>
> Another example, in my framework I want to prevent the user from moving
into
> a subform if the main form goes to the new record.  .Net doesn't even HAVE
> subforms.
>
> Things like that.
>
> I am in the process of rewriting something that would "make sense" to
port -
> my Sysvars.  Assuming that I leave my error handlers in place, that port
is
> really fairly straightforward.  However I don't really have much hope of
> "just porting" my framework.  In the end though, there is enough work to
be
> done making .net as "database friendly" as Access that I am sure I will
have
> plenty of similar projects.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Marcus, Scott
> (GEAE, Contractor)
> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 12:03 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD]OT: C# was no-ip.com
>
>
> John,
>
> You must have read the same article as me (actually editors comments). I'm
> leaning VB.Net first and then adding C# to my skills. Seems silly to me
that
> C# pulls in more money. Like you, that is why I'm going to learn it also.
> Have you seen any silly job postings like "C# developer with 5 years
> experience..."?
>
> Have you found that your Access framework already has equivalents in .Net
> framework?
>
> I'm not far enough into .Net to have an opinion yet. I can say that if it
is
> similar to how Java works, I won't like it. I hear that C# is very close
to
> Java.
>
> What I've learned in VB.Net so far seems pretty straight forward.
>
> My only doubts about .Net is that I'm not seeing very many job postings
for
> .Net developers (but allot more than Access development).
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 11:47 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: RE: [AccessD]OT: C# was no-ip.com
>
>
> Scott,
>
> Not yet, though I think I will end up there.  I'm thinking that learning
> VB.Net and more importantly the .net framework FIRST will be most useful
to
> me.  The framework is massive and being comfortable with that is a
> requirement regardless of the language you then use for your programming.
>
> Once that is done I will probably move to C# for the simple reason that
the
> polls indicate C# programmers get better money.  I did a controller
project
> down in Mexico in a custom 'C' language so it isn't totally foreign.
>
> Again though, the whole point of the .Net concept is that the framework
> really provides about 90% of the functionality and it is used EXACTLY the
> same regardless of the language you use.  The language itself is really a
> thin veneer over the top of the framework.  Even things like variables are
> framework objects so that any .net language can literally pass their
> variables back and forth without the silly problems like you see with VB
and
> C not treating strings the same way.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
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