[AccessD] OT? - Certification

Vlad,

As a former college professor, I also notice that many of these "so
called Highly Qualified Graduates" are not only "regurgitators of info"
with "no people skills whatsoever" but also have no analytical skills.

At most of the colleges and universities that I taught at I was the only
Computer Science faculty member that had any real-world experience as a
programmer/analyst.  And I was the only one that designed my tests as
problems to solve, not multiple-guess or fill-in-the-blank type tests.
I wanted my students to learn how to analyze and solve problems, not
regurgitate data, which a trained monkey can do.

One of the reasons I quit teaching is I got tired of butting heads with
departmental chairs and school deans that didn't understand there was a
difference between theoretical knowledge and practical knowledge and
that the graduate from a bachelor level program needs to have some
practical knowledge if he/she is to expect to find a job in the real
world.  Only about 1% of the students could hope to become clones of
their professors, they rest needed to be able to survive in the real
world.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: ACTEBS [mailto:actebs at actebs.com.au] 
Sent: Wednesday 2003 Jun 11 09:22
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT? - Certification

Charles,

Well said!!!. I left to work for myself after what I saw in the business
world from so called Highly Qualified Graduates.........Ummm, commonly
referred to as regurgitators of info and no people skills whatsoever...

I applaude your position...

Regards
Vlad

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Wortz,
Charles
Sent: Wednesday, 11 June 2003 10:47 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT? - Certification


As one that has acquired many degrees and many certifications over the
years, I have found they are only good for getting hired at the types of
organization that I don't want to work for.  I prefer working where I
enjoy the work and they value my performance, not my degrees and
certificates.  I no longer even list any of my degrees and certificates
on my business card.

Charles Wortz
-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com] 
Sent: Tuesday 2003 Jun 10 12:14
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT? - Certification


I got tired of the certification and recertification mess before I even
passed my first one.  New ones came out (or were comming out) before I
could complete my current ones.

I'm pursuing a Masters in IT instead.  At least they don't expire.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 8:24 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT? - Certification


You hardly have to worry about that.  In a year the entire set of
technology from MS will be different, with new exams to take.  Let's
just hope that they get a raise for every exam they pass.  That'll teach
management to implement such silliness.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Christopher
Hawkins
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 12:12 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT? - Certification


I apologize if this drives the discussion off-track, but I have to
ask...what happens when you've passed all the exams?  No more raises,
ever?

-Christopher-