[AccessD] OT: the "Education" system

Martin Reid mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
Thu Jun 12 13:02:16 CDT 2003


Sorry Bob. Just seen your email.

Bob has a point folks. OT is for this stuff. Even if I am taking part.

Martin



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 6:56 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: the "Education" system


> I wasn't even taking gender into account.  I have seen both men and women
> 'bow' to someone with a degree.  I know I am a little stubborn <evilgrin>,
> but I stick to my guns with what I know.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us]
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 11:22 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: the "Education" system
>
>
> Drew,
>
> I think it is a cultural thing.  Many women are trained from childhood
> to be submissive.  Thus, unless they get assertiveness training, or have
> made a significant accomplishment such as getting a degree, they tend to
> be submissive as adults.
>
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> Sent: Thursday 2003 Jun 12 11:11
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: the "Education" system
>
> Interesting.
>
> I have never really felt 'downhill' though.  In fact, many times I feel
> like I am uphill from people with degrees, because I see the solution,
> and they are flapping in the wind.  Oh well.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tina Norris Fields [mailto:tinanfields at torchlake.com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 6:59 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: the "Education" system
>
>
> Martin, you may have to go get that degree, just to shut them up.
>
> After some 14 years of experience as an export manager, with a side
> interest in office automation and the stuff that supports it, I one day
> found myself needing a new job.  I had no degree, just knowledge.  I had
>
> come from the midwest, where "equivalent experience" was a qualifier for
>
> those without the academic credentials.  But, I was in New England
> (Boston, to be exact), and "equivalent experience" carried no weight
> whatsoever.  I actually got turned down for a position where the only
> other candidate was a recent graduate with a degree and no experience -
> degree NOT in international trade or business, by the way.  The
> interviewer said:  "I couldn't justify choosing you over a degreed
> person."  Wow!  I did go back to school at New Hampshire College (now
> Southern New Hampshire University) and got my degree in Business and
> Computer Science.  Now, I teach adults how to use computers - from the
> complete "newbie" who doesn't know where the ON switch is, to folks
> wanting to learn any of the Microsoft Office Suite programs.  I also
> develop Access database applications and stuff for private clients.
>  It's fun.
>
> The thing that really surprised me was that after I had my degree, I
> felt different in those meetings with other staff.  I hadn't realized
> that I had felt "down hill" from everybody before the degree - but I did
>
> notice the change in my level of confidence once I was wearing my gold
> key (yes Summa Cum Laude - motivation is a wonderful thing).  So, in
> your "free" time, Martin, why not enroll in a college or university that
>
> offers a complete degree in your area of interest via the Internet?
>  When you get your gold key, those pompous jerks will have to shut up.
>
> My local college hired me from time-to-time as adjunct faculty when they
>
> needed my knowledge and they couldn't get anyone with the academic
> credentials to teach the class (summers, especially).  I still work as a
>
> contract instructor for the Extended Education Services division of the
> college - teaching adults who really want to know the stuff.
>
> Tina
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