[AccessD] OT: the "Education" system

Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd. SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au
Thu Jun 12 18:30:30 CDT 2003


I think this comment is way out of line. You have just dismissed Tina's comments entirely - relegating her to a status you imagine her to have.  

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Wortz, Charles 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 2:21 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: the "Education" system


  Drew,

  I think it is a cultural thing.  Many women are trained from childhood
  to be submissive.  Thus, unless they get assertiveness training, or have
  made a significant accomplishment such as getting a degree, they tend to
  be submissive as adults.

  Charles Wortz
  Software Development Division
  Texas Education Agency
  1701 N. Congress Ave
  Austin, TX 78701-1494
  512-463-9493
  CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



  -----Original Message-----
  From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
  Sent: Thursday 2003 Jun 12 11:11
  To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: the "Education" system

  Interesting.

  I have never really felt 'downhill' though.  In fact, many times I feel
  like I am uphill from people with degrees, because I see the solution,
  and they are flapping in the wind.  Oh well.

  Drew

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Tina Norris Fields [mailto:tinanfields at torchlake.com]
  Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 6:59 AM
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: the "Education" system


  Martin, you may have to go get that degree, just to shut them up.

  After some 14 years of experience as an export manager, with a side 
  interest in office automation and the stuff that supports it, I one day 
  found myself needing a new job.  I had no degree, just knowledge.  I had

  come from the midwest, where "equivalent experience" was a qualifier for

  those without the academic credentials.  But, I was in New England 
  (Boston, to be exact), and "equivalent experience" carried no weight 
  whatsoever.  I actually got turned down for a position where the only 
  other candidate was a recent graduate with a degree and no experience - 
  degree NOT in international trade or business, by the way.  The 
  interviewer said:  "I couldn't justify choosing you over a degreed 
  person."  Wow!  I did go back to school at New Hampshire College (now 
  Southern New Hampshire University) and got my degree in Business and 
  Computer Science.  Now, I teach adults how to use computers - from the 
  complete "newbie" who doesn't know where the ON switch is, to folks 
  wanting to learn any of the Microsoft Office Suite programs.  I also 
  develop Access database applications and stuff for private clients. 
   It's fun.

  The thing that really surprised me was that after I had my degree, I 
  felt different in those meetings with other staff.  I hadn't realized 
  that I had felt "down hill" from everybody before the degree - but I did

  notice the change in my level of confidence once I was wearing my gold 
  key (yes Summa Cum Laude - motivation is a wonderful thing).  So, in 
  your "free" time, Martin, why not enroll in a college or university that

  offers a complete degree in your area of interest via the Internet? 
   When you get your gold key, those pompous jerks will have to shut up.

  My local college hired me from time-to-time as adjunct faculty when they

  needed my knowledge and they couldn't get anyone with the academic 
  credentials to teach the class (summers, especially).  I still work as a

  contract instructor for the Extended Education Services division of the 
  college - teaching adults who really want to know the stuff.

  Tina
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