Shamil Salakhetdinov
shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru
Sat Mar 8 01:17:00 CST 2003
THNX for your moral support, William! You know if I pay the "shadow business" around them then they will have legal evidence to reject my Visum application now and any time in the future - and they will be able to control me and to force to follow their rules in the case I will urgently need to enter Shengen Zone - and sin after sin I'll be in their hands... (I'm not saying that I'm saintly and that they are "dirty sinners" but I don't want to accept the rules of their game because I will become a looser as soon as I've accepted them... Yes, I know there are insuperable forces in this World like tsunami, tornado, earthquake,... - is this corrupted bureaucracy of all the states and continents such an insuperable force?) I know I can appeal to the "European Court of the Human Rights" but this promise to be expensive and lengthy procedure and with unknown end-result... ...but all these clerks, small and big bosses of all the levels - they know that they don't follow the rules they proclaim and assigned to defense... So the questions are: 1. Does anybody know can I ask for all the names of the clerks in their chain who first accepted my paperwork and then rejected to give Visum without any (IMO) reasons? 2. Can I talk to their Consul General in this case? 3. If they will not let me to talk to the Consul.... what then, give up? Shamil P.S. My children who study in a Gymnasium of the Global Education who are taught that this is a free and open world are asking me - what are these Visum? Why we should apply for them? Why we can't just go and visit our friends and colleagues in West Europe if our dad earned money working like crazy and wanted us to show Amsterdam, Brussles, Paris, Hamburg... And they dreamed to visit Paris Disneylend since our childhood... P.P.S. There are exceptions from the rules governing the Netherland's Consulate General in St.Petersburg - e.g. Representative Office of Switzerland - they are all friendly and one usually gets a Visum the second/third day, and all is well organized, they even have electronic Visum application forms in Internet - and they DON'T have 2m high guard, which exists in Consulate General of Netherlands - what secrets this guard patrol? And Finnish Embassy, when I applied for visum several years ago (I just wanted to go to Finland to fix the problems with my car + buy some spare parts for it) - and here you go - you're welcome! - no need for invitation and no spoiled bureaucracy around them. And IMO this is Finland, which is 150 km from my home and which should have been the most closed to the "hostile exUSSR" citizens - but no! - you're welcome and there are everyday buses and trains shuttling between Finland and Russia and a lot of cars cross the borders in both directions... The same easy was the procedure to get a Visum for HALF AN YEAR long staying in UK several years ago (I didn't use it because I didn't find the time and money to go there)... ... ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 2:41 AM Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: "Chevaux de frise" of free world... > ...first ...my apologies for the previous blank posts ...my new superfast > system w/OE6 seems most adept at replying before I've managed to make any > entry :( > > ...as for the situation with visas, you have my full sympathies ...I > traveled quite a bit of the world during my prior career and seldom without > some sort of problem ...it would seem that corruption in the > immigration/visa sections of every government I've known is endemic, even > that of my beloved America ...in fact, it was the American Embassy in > Bangkok that finally drove me to the ultimate frustration of actually paying > someone off to expedite the travel documents required to bring my family > back to the US with me ...hours upon hours waiting only to be told to come > back the next day ...or to wait in another line ...or that the person that > handled "that" wasn't in today ...or why had I not hired an "expeditor" to > handle these "matters" ...and after days of this tactic at my own embassy > ...all with my wife and 3 year old daughter in hand, I finally gave in and > paid someone "recommended" to me by an American consular officer ...and > lo!!!!! ...I had the necessary documents all complete and in my hands within > 3 hours ...which sucks more than any other bureaucratic FUBAR I've > experienced before or since ...having to bribe my own embassy runs so much > against everything I believe in that you have no idea how hard it was for > me to concede to do it. > > ...no help here I know, Shamil ...but you're not alone in your frustration > with the thieves :( > > William Hindman > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru> > To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 6:13 PM > Subject: [AccessD] OT: "Chevaux de frise" of free world... > > > > Hi All, > > > > I'm sorry I'm writing about that here - I just went very crazy today about > > what they - Western Embassies and Consulates here and their bosses in Den > > Haage (Netherlands) are doing... > > > > Here is a fresh story: > > > > - I applied for business Visum (15 days of staying, one entry) several > days > > ago for me and my two children(15 and 17 years old) (IMPORTANT NOTE: here > > in Consualate General they ACCEPTED this application for BUSINESS visum > and > > they checked all the docs carefully) - to make that I prepared all the > > needed paperwork, get original invitation from my partner from Netherlands > > (DHL, second day delivery = rather expensive), even changed the passports > to > > make them fresh new (some more bucks) because at first they said that the > > ones I had aren't good, PAID for their "services"(not that much but should > > be enough for a rather good dinner for three I think) and I started to > > wait... > > And BTW I spent quite some time on all that prepations and quite some > > bucks in total... > > > > Do you know what answer I've got today? (in fact my Netherland's partner > was > > called from Den Haage - Ministry of Foreign Affairs) - they said I should > > have applied for TOURISTIC not BUSINESS visum because I plan to go with my > > kids but as I mentioned above here they CHECKED all the docs and ACCEPTED > > them... > > > > Should I fight with them looking for truth with the risk to be written in > > their "black lists" forever? > > Or should I give up and accept the "rules" of their game? - there is a > whole > > business around them here - and one (including any kinds of criminals > etc.) > > can buy for money any kind of Visum and freely enter West Europe or States > > or Canada... > > > > I wanted to make it direct and according to all the laws and I didn't want > > to pay to the "shadow business around them" any extra money - and I've got > > NOTHING - or I'd better say I and my partner in Netherlands got real > > mockery... And they were harsh not only with me - they were that hostile > > with my Netherland's partner too - how it comes? > > > > Shamil > > > > P.S. I know, probably Russian Embassies do something like that there in > West > > Europe - but should it justify what they are doing here these ambassadors > of > > "civilized" free world? > > > > -- > > e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru > > Web: http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > _______________________________________________ > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com