[AccessD] OT: "Chevaux de frise" of free world...

Shamil Salakhetdinov shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru
Sat Mar 8 12:59:22 CST 2003


> When I applied for my visas to the USA
> I was told to PLAY by the RULES.
Martin,

I did everything to play by their rules - even more several days before my
Visum application I went to the Consulate and showed invitation and all the
forms - and
they said that they were OK - and I used them to apply for Visum - all these
docs prepared according to their rules, which they confirmed...

> Immigration are very funny these days
I'm not immigarting or something like that - I just want to go to meet my
business partners in West Europe, to talk to them(business) and to make some
touristic trips around to show West Europe to my children - for 15 days
only - and when I go there I have left here my wife and baby-boy and this is
also written in the docs I used to apply for Visum...

> explain excatly what you plan to do,
This is written in the invitation, which they read at least twice before
they
accepted the docs:

= +++ quoting invitation +++ =
The purpose of visit is business and tourism related. We need Mr.
Salakhetdinov for the co-ordination of software development in Russia,
discussing and defining the projects specifications. We wanted to show him
and his family members how our business is organized and how it is
functioning. We also wanted to let him to travel around Netherlands for
sightseeing and to visit his other friends and business colleagues in
Netherlands and if time allows in other Shengen states: Belgium, France and
Germany.

Mr. Salakhetdinov and his family members will therefore need a one entry
Shengen visa for a period from the 15th of March 2003 till 15th of April
2003, allowing for 15(fifteen) days to stay.

We guarantee that all costs related to the visit will be for our account in
the case Mr. Shamil Salakhetdinov will have some difficulties with that.
This includes lodging, repatriating, and costs related to illness and
hospital.

= ---  quoting invitation  --- =

Any problems with the text above? Something unclear? Should I present them
the exact schedule where, when and why I plan to go? - yes, I plan to go to
Belgium - and this is written above. Yes, I plan to go to France - and this
is written above.  Maybe I even go to Germany - if time allows - and this is
written above... - I've money to pay for all this staying, if not my partner
signed the doc and promised to help me and he has his good business in
Netherlands and lives there all his life with wife and family of three kids
and his own house - and they know all that. Of course I and my partner will
use special additional insurance polices - what is wrong with all that?

> All I can say is be patient with them,
THNX for your advice, Martin, I will give it another quiet try on Tuesday
(Monday isn't working day here) - if they continue their mockery I will
probably just publish the phones of the Consulate General and the clerk from
Den Haage and all their names if I get them  for anybody who wants to call
them and to say what they think about all that outrage - this is only what
they should be afraid of I think - bad public opinion about them (concrete
names) - maybe this will help others to escape their "chevaux de frise"...

Shamil

----- Original Message -----
From: <Mwp.Reid at queens-belfast.ac.uk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 3:07 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: "Chevaux de frise" of free world...


> Shamil
>
> When I applied for my visas to the USA I was told to PLAY by the RULES.
Dont
> shout and do as asked even if it appears stupid.
>
> The person who told me that was an employee at the USA consul. Unless they
are
> asking you to pay again I would simply make an appointment, go see them BE
> VERY NICE and sort it out.
>
> Immigration are very funny these days and I think the best advise is to
stay
> on the right side of them at all times.
>
> In my case they give me both a working and a tourist visa and at the end
of
> the day the staff at the consulate here could not have been more helpful.
>
> All I can say is be patient with them, explain excatly what you plan to
do,
> who is going with you etc and do it all in writing, again I know but just
be
> patient and nice.
>
> At the first sign of trouble they will not issue a visa becasue at the end
of
> the day it means nothing to them.
>
> Martin
>
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