[AccessD] OT: "Chevaux de frise" of free world...

William Hindman wdhindman at bellsouth.net
Fri Mar 14 12:40:01 CST 2003


...where there is a will there is a way ...have a great vacation ...um
...business trip!!!!!! :))))))

William Hindman
"And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you - ask
what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not
what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of
man." John F. Kennedy, 1961

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: "Chevaux de frise" of free world...


> Hi All,
>
> We made it! - I've got Visum to Netherlands (Shengen States) for myself
and
> my two kids for twenty days today! I fly to Amsterdam on 20 March 2003. I
> plan to visit also Hamburg, Ghent, Brugge, Brussels, Paris etc. I go back
> home on 03 of April 2003.
>
> Without your great moral support and hints of Marty I would have not had
> Visum today...
> And of course Onno van Shelven who is not on the list these days but who I
> contact from time to time with was the main helping hand - he helped me to
> define a concept and then edit/augment a letter, which I wrote and sent to
> the Consul and which made this incredible bombing effect and holed
> bureaucracy wall...
>
> Well, I had to pay second time for their services and I didn't hear any
> words of excuses or something like that but all that doesn't matter when
> what was almost impossible on Monday becomes a reality on Friday...
>
> THNX a lot again to everybody,
> Have nice weekend,
> Shamil :)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 11:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: "Chevaux de frise" of free world...
>
>
> > THNX Marty,
> >
> > I will give it another try to solve the problem without complaints - if
no
> > result then maybe I will go compainingt o the Head Office. But the
chances
> > are very high that they will not accept any of my complaints and will
play
> > fool - or you've any success stories when complaints helped to solve the
> > situations like that mine?
> >
> > TIA for any additional info,
> > Shamil
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 10:44 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: "Chevaux de frise" of free world...
> >
> >
> > > I would complain (umm... make a request for clarification or advice)
to
> > > the Head Office rather than locally. "Better to complain to the organ
> > > grinder than the monkey". This is an English aphorism
> > > referring to street buskers who would play a portable windup organ and
> > > have a little monkey running around with a cup to collect spare
change.
> > >
> > > Here is the mailing address for Ministry in the Hague
> > > The Netherlands Ministry of Foreign Affairs
> > >
> > > Visitors Address:
> > > Bezuidenhoutseweg 67, The Hague
> > > tel. +31 70 3486486;
> > > fax. + 31 70 3484848;
> > >
> > > The Netherlands Ministry of Foreign Affairs
> > > Postal Address:
> > > PO Box 20061
> > > 2500 EB The Hague
> > >
> > > Or email complaint page
> > >
> >
>
http://www.minbuza.nl/default.asp?CMS_ITEM=5A764C199D984EB288FB2B58766A3E25X
> > 2X55346X5
> > > or
> > >
> > > If you have any questions, please check the Frequently Asked Questions
> > > first. If you have still not found an answer to your question, then
you
> > > can call the Communication department on weekdays from 9 a.m. to 12:30
> > > p.m. and from 1:30 p.m. to 4:30 p.m. on +31 (0)70 370 3124.
> > > see: in english Visa Applications
> > >
> > > http://www.immigratiedienst.nl/
> > >
> > > Probably a phone call to their communication department in external
> > > affairs for clarification would quickly resolve the matter. They
aren't
> > > clear on their forms about very short business trips or actually
working
> > > for a company on a 3 month contract or a business man who goes to
> > > Holland to solicit business and takes along his wife so she can shop
or
> > > sitesee or a technician who goes to Holland to repair a machine. A 10
> > > minute phone call to Europe from Canada only costs a little over a
> dollar,
> > > I don't know about your costs.
> > >
> > > Also when you applied, Holland was going through a National election
> > > where one of the major topics was Illegal Immigration and assylum
> > > seekers. So there may have been political direction to be hesitant or
> > > over zealous in the checking of visas, to avoid political embarassment
> > > to the powers that be, during the election period.
> > >
> > > This wasn't hard for me to check up. I was a Civil (Silly) Servant for
a
> > > few years and can find my way around . You do learn skills as a civil
> > > servant. Things like reading upside down and backwards
> > > so you can read a letter on a desk you are not supposed to see. I can
> > > carry two passports EU and Canadian and still get into trouble over
> > > there with the regulations.
> > >
> > >
> > > Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
> > >
> > > >THNX for your info Marty!
> > > >Very much appreciated!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> it isn't worth the hassle to complain
> > > >>about some minor functionary or bureaucrat
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >OK, I decided to reapply for the Visum if they are asking to do so
but
> > I'd
> > > >like to have some documents left on my hands(unfortunately I didn't
> make
> > the
> > > >copy of the first Visa application)
> > > >
> > > >I'd like to write a letter to the head of the Consulate-General with
> > request
> > > >for their help of solving this small misapprehension ASAP - how
should
> I
> > > >proceed with them to let me to pass this letter to him and to allow
me
> to
> > > >meet with him/his representative and to officially register my letter
> > with
> > > >help request and explanation (my vision) of situation (of course
> without
> > any
> > > >complaints)?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>filling in a Green Card  lottery form for permanent
> > > >>residence in  US (odds 1:100)
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >You propose me to immigrate to the States? A plenty of work there and
a
> > room
> > > >for five people? - I still prefer to stay here in Russia and find a
way
> > to
> > > >freely travel around the World - should be doable but needs some time
> to
> > > >solve this without immigration to the States...
> > > >
> > > >Shamil
> > > >
> > <<< tail skipped for brevity >>>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>





More information about the AccessD mailing list