From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Thu May  1 02:58:14 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 09:58:14 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Request for new OT list
References: 	<00df01c30a91$28a82630$8e01a8c0@Rock><001d01c30c1a$eb0b86b0$0300a8c0@S856>
	<044301c30f5e$b2c40880$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>
Message-ID: <009f01c30fb7$6b9bcbb0$0300a8c0@S856>

William,
thank you for your comment. We will take care as soon as we have the new crew
trained.
Lembit
Lembit Soobik

----- Original Message -----
From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Request for new OT list


> Lembit
>
> ...been working out of town the past week so I missed this topic when it
> first presented itself.
>
> ...though Arthur and I fervently disagree on other matters, on AccessD and a
> second OT list we are of one accord ...it was frequently discussed within
> dba in the past, as the dba-OT list moved further and further away from its
> AccessD parentage, but never achieved the critical mass necessary to get it
> from discussion to reality ...thus the problem remains, no one wanting only
> an OT technical answer would want to traipse through the hundreds of dba-OT
> daily messages on every other topic imaginable just to filter out those he's
> interested in ...its intimidating and I'm sure its stopped many an AccessD
> user from posting an OT tech question there ...not that we don't see them
> occasionally but only from existing dba-OT list members ...thus implementing
> Arthur's suggestion would, imnsho, be of immediate and substantial value to
> all AccessD list members ...the sooner the better. :))
>
> William Hindman
> "I am extraordinarily patient, provided I get my own way in the end."
> Margaret Thatcher
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lembit Soobik" <Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 1:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Request for new OT list
>
>
> > Arthur,
> > we are considering this, but at the moment I cannot give you a schedule.
> > Lembit
> >
> > Lembit Soobik
> >
> >
> >
> > > I propose that dba sets up a new list which is for questions, called
> OTSH
> > > (software and hardware). On this list we could ask questions about the
> Word
> > > object model, the LinkSys router, MapPoint and Share-Point Portal
> Server, to
> > > cite just a few possible subjects (that are currently on my mind).
> > >
> > > I don't like to clutter this list with OT messages about such stuff, and
> I
> > > get into too many political arguments on the OT list so I unsubbed.
> > >
> > > On OTSH, if certain threads become popular they could eventually assume
> the
> > > status of the access, sql, visio, vb &c. lists. Meanwhile they could
> share
> > > one space and we could subscribe or not, knowing vaguely the content.
> > >
> > > Arthur
> > >
> > >
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu May  1 03:42:55 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 10:42:55 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Selecting Nth Max or Min from a table
Message-ID: <1188958972.20030501104255@cactus.dk>

Hi all

In the Oracle Magazine of Mar/Apr a method for this is shown:

<SQL>

SELECT
  MIN(col1)
FROM
  (SELECT
    col1
  FROM
    (SELECT DISTINCT
      col1
    FROM
      Tab1
    ORDER BY
      code DESC)
  WHERE
    RowNum <= &N)

</SQL>

This doesn't work with Jet.

However, using TOP N, this can even be done simpler in Access (Jet)
should you ever need it. Replace N with that from Nth.

Here is for the Nth Min:

<SQL>

SELECT
  MAX(A.col1) AS NthMin
FROM
  [SELECT DISTINCT TOP N
    col1
  FROM
    tblTable
  ORDER BY
    col1 ASC]. AS A;

</SQL>

Here is for the Nth Max:

<SQL>

SELECT
  MIN(A.col1) AS NthMax
FROM
  [SELECT DISTINCT TOP N
    col1
  FROM
    tblTable
  ORDER BY
    col1 DESC]. AS A;

</SQL>

Those not familiar with the strange [..]. syntax may look up the
archives for "SQL in-line subquery" 

/gustav


From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu May  1 03:48:19 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 10:48:19 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Which SQL engines support SHAPE?
Message-ID: <1349282477.20030501104819@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Is SHAPE (returning sub recordsets within a recordset) in SQL
proprietary of Microsoft SQL Server? 

Or do some other SQL engines support this too?

/gustav


From markH at bitgen.co.uk  Thu May  1 04:15:58 2003
From: markH at bitgen.co.uk (MarkH)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 10:15:58 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections
In-Reply-To: <1349282477.20030501104819@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000001c30fc2$47c6d170$9cda883e@laptop>

Hello All

(using AXP on WinXP)

Does anyone have an example of some open dialog code that allows the
user to select more than one file? I need to be able to select one or
more files and just return the paths to the database, not open them at
that time...

Cheers

Mark

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu May  1 05:29:42 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 20:29:42 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections
In-Reply-To: <000001c30fc2$47c6d170$9cda883e@laptop>
References: <1349282477.20030501104819@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <3EB183B6.31313.80EF140@localhost>

On 1 May 2003 at 10:15, MarkH wrote:

> Hello All
> 
> (using AXP on WinXP)
> 
> Does anyone have an example of some open dialog code that allows the
> user to select more than one file? I need to be able to select one or
> more files and just return the paths to the database, not open them at
> that time...
> 

Here's an example of using the GetOpenFileName  API yet again :-)
You will notice that Flags is set to  '%OFN_ALLOWMULTISELECT ( 
&H00000200), it will do what you want (see  the flags section below 
for explanations and constants).

      Type OPENFILENAME
         lStructSize As Long
         hwndOwner As Long
         hInstance As Long
         lpstrFilter As String
         lpstrCustomFilter As String
         nMaxCustFilter As Long
         nFilterIndex As Long
         lpstrFile As String
         nMaxFile As Long
         lpstrFileTitle As String
         nMaxFileTitle As Long
         lpstrInitialDir As String
         lpstrTitle As String
         flags As Long
         nFileOffset As Integer
         nFileExtension As Integer
         lpstrDefExt As String
         lCustData As Long
         lpfnHook As Long
         lpTemplateName As String
       End Type

Declare Function GetOpenFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" Alias _
         "GetOpenFileNameA" (pOpenfilename As OPENFILENAME) As Long


Private Sub btnbrowse_Click()

         Dim OpenFile As OPENFILENAME
         Dim lReturn As Long
         Dim sFilter As String
         OpenFile.lStructSize = Len(OpenFile)
         OpenFile.hwndOwner = Me.hwnd
         OpenFile.hInstance = 0
         sFilter = "" & Chr(0)
         OpenFile.lpstrFilter = sFilter
         OpenFile.nFilterIndex = 1
         OpenFile.lpstrFile = String(257, 0)
         OpenFile.nMaxFile = Len(OpenFile.lpstrFile) - 1
         OpenFile.lpstrFileTitle = OpenFile.lpstrFile
         OpenFile.nMaxFileTitle = OpenFile.nMaxFile
         OpenFile.lpstrInitialDir = "C:\"
         OpenFile.lpstrTitle = "Select File"
         OpenFile.flags = &H00000200
         lReturn = GetOpenFileName(OpenFile)
            
         Text0 = Left$(OpenFile.lpstrFile, InStr(OpenFile.lpstrFile, 
Chr$(0)) - 1)
End Sub


Flags

A set of bit flags you can use to initialize the dialog box. When the 
dialog box returns, it sets these flags to indicate the user's input. 
This member can be a combination of the following flags: 

 OFN_ALLOWMULTISELECT	
Specifies that the File Name list box allows multiple selections. If 
you also set the OFN_EXPLORER flag, the dialog box uses the Explorer-
style user interface; otherwise, it uses the old-style user 
interface. If the user selects more than one file, the lpstrFile 
buffer returns the path to the current directory followed by the 
filenames of the selected files. The nFileOffset member is the offset 
to the first filename, and the nFileExtension member is not used. For 
Explorer-style dialog boxes, the directory and filename strings are 
NULL separated, with an extra NULL character after the last filename. 
This format enables the Explorer-style dialogs to return long 
filenames that include spaces. For old-style dialog boxes, the 
directory and filename strings are separated by spaces and the 
function uses short filenames for filenames with spaces. You can use 
the FindFirstFile function to convert between long and short 
filenames. If you specify a custom template for an old-style dialog 
box, the definition of the File Name list box must contain the 
LBS_EXTENDEDSEL value. 
 
 OFN_CREATEPROMPT	
If the user specifies a file that does not exist, this flag causes 
the dialog box to prompt the user for permission to create the file. 
If the user chooses to create the file, the dialog box closes and the 
function returns the specified name; otherwise, the dialog box 
remains open. 
OFN_ENABLEHOOK	
Enables the hook function specified in the lpfnHook member. 
OFN_ENABLETEMPLATE	
Indicates that the lpTemplateName member points to the name of a 
dialog template resource in the module identified by the hInstance 
member.If the OFN_EXPLORER flag is set, the system uses the specified 
template to create a dialog box that is a child of the default 
Explorer-style dialog box. If the OFN_EXPLORER flag is not set, the 
system uses the template to create an old-style dialog box that 
replaces the default dialog box.
OFN_ENABLETEMPLATEHANDLE	
Indicates that the hInstance member identifies a data block that 
contains a preloaded dialog box template. The system ignores the 
lpTemplateName if this flag is specified.If the OFN_EXPLORER flag is 
set, the system uses the specified template to create a dialog box 
that is a child of the default Explorer-style dialog box. If the 
OFN_EXPLORER flag is not set, the system uses the template to create 
an old-style dialog box that replaces the default dialog box.
OFN_EXPLORER	
Indicates that any customizations made to the Open or Save As dialog 
box use the new Explorer-style customization methods. For more 
information, see the "Explorer-Style Hook Procedures" and "Explorer-
Style Custom Templates" sections of the Common Dialog Box Library 
overview.By default, the Open and Save As dialog boxes use the 
Explorer-style user interface regardless of whether this flag is set. 
This flag is necessary only if you provide a hook procedure or custom 
template, or set the OFN_ALLOWMULTISELECT flag. If you want the old-
style user interface, omit the OFN_EXPLORER flag and provide a 
replacement old-style template or hook procedure. If you want the old 
style but do not need a custom template or hook procedure, simply 
provide a hook procedure that always returns FALSE.
OFN_EXTENSIONDIFFERENT	
Specifies that the user typed a filename extension that differs from 
the extension specified by lpstrDefExt. The function does not use 
this flag if lpstrDefExt is NULL.
OFN_FILEMUSTEXIST	
Specifies that the user can type only names of existing files in the 
File Name entry field. If this flag is specified and the user enters 
an invalid name, the dialog box procedure displays a warning in a 
message box. If this flag is specified, the OFN_PATHMUSTEXIST flag is 
also used.
OFN_HIDEREADONLY	
Hides the Read Only check box.
OFN_LONGNAMES	
For old-style dialog boxes, this flag causes the dialog box to use 
long filenames. If this flag is not specified, or if the 
OFN_ALLOWMULTISELECT flag is also set, old-style dialog boxes use 
short filenames (8.3 format) for filenames with spaces. Explorer-
style dialog boxes ignore this flag and always display long 
filenames.
OFN_NOCHANGEDIR	
Restores the current directory to its original value if the user 
changed the directory while searching for files.
OFN_NODEREFERENCELINKS	
Directs the dialog box to return the path and filename of the 
selected shortcut (.LNK) file. If this value is not given, the dialog 
box returns the path and filename of the file referenced by the 
shortcut
OFN_NOLONGNAMES	
For old-style dialog boxes, this flag causes the dialog box to use 
short filenames (8.3 format). Explorer-style dialog boxes ignore this 
flag and always display long filenames.
OFN_NONETWORKBUTTON	
Hides and disables the Network button.
OFN_NOREADONLYRETURN	
Specifies that the returned file does not have the Read Only check 
box checked and is not in a write-protected directory.
OFN_NOTESTFILECREATE	
Specifies that the file is not created before the dialog box is 
closed. This flag should be specified if the application saves the 
file on a create-nonmodify network sharepoint. When an application 
specifies this flag, the library does not check for write protection, 
a full disk, an open drive door, or network protection. Applications 
using this flag must perform file operations carefully, because a 
file cannot be reopened once it is closed.
OFN_NOVALIDATE	
Specifies that the common dialog boxes allow invalid characters in 
the returned filename. Typically, the calling application uses a hook 
procedure that checks the filename by using the FILEOKSTRING message. 
If the text box in the edit control is empty or contains nothing but 
spaces, the lists of files and directories are updated. If the text 
box in the edit control contains anything else, nFileOffset and 
nFileExtension are set to values generated by parsing the text. No 
default extension is added to the text, nor is text copied to the 
buffer specified by lpstrFileTitle.
If the value specified by nFileOffset is less than zero, the filename 
is invalid. Otherwise, the filename is valid, and nFileExtension and 
nFileOffset can be used as if the OFN_NOVALIDATE flag had not been 
specified.
OFN_OVERWRITEPROMPT	
Causes the Save As dialog box to generate a message box if the 
selected file already exists. The user must confirm whether to 
overwrite the file.
OFN_PATHMUSTEXIST	
Specifies that the user can type only valid paths and filenames. If 
this flag is used and the user types an invalid path and filename in 
the File Name entry field, the dialog box function displays a warning 
in a message box.
OFN_READONLY	
Causes the Read Only check box to be checked initially when the 
dialog box is created. This flag indicates the state of the Read Only 
check box when the dialog box is closed.
OFN_SHAREAWARE	
Specifies that if a call to the OpenFile function fails because of a 
network sharing violation, the error is ignored and the dialog box 
returns the selected filename. If this flag is not set, the dialog 
box notifies your hook procedure when a network sharing violation 
occurs for the filename specified by the user. If you set the 
OFN_EXPLORER flag, the dialog box sends the CDN_SHAREVIOLATION 
message to the hook procedure. If you do not set OFN_EXPLORER, the 
dialog box sends the SHAREVISTRING registered message to the hook 
procedure. 
OFN_SHOWHELP	
Causes the dialog box to display the Help button. The hwndOwner 
member must specify the window to receive the HELPMSGSTRING 
registered messages that the dialog box sends when the user clicks 
the Help button.An Explorer-style dialog box sends a CDN_HELP 
notification message to your hook procedure when the user clicks the 
Help button. 

Values of flages are as follows:

%OFN_READONLY             = &H00000001
%OFN_OVERWRITEPROMPT      = &H00000002
%OFN_HIDEREADONLY         = &H00000004
%OFN_NOCHANGEDIR          = &H00000008
%OFN_SHOWHELP             = &H00000010
%OFN_ENABLEHOOK           = &H00000020
%OFN_ENABLETEMPLATE       = &H00000040
%OFN_ENABLETEMPLATEHANDLE = &H00000080
%OFN_NOVALIDATE           = &H00000100
%OFN_ALLOWMULTISELECT     = &H00000200
%OFN_EXTENSIONDIFFERENT   = &H00000400
%OFN_PATHMUSTEXIST        = &H00000800
%OFN_FILEMUSTEXIST        = &H00001000
%OFN_CREATEPROMPT         = &H00002000
%OFN_SHAREAWARE           = &H00004000
%OFN_NOREADONLYRETURN     = &H00008000
%OFN_NOTESTFILECREATE     = &H00010000
%OFN_NONETWORKBUTTON      = &H00020000
%OFN_NOLONGNAMES          = &H00040000 ' force no long names for 4.x 
modules
%OFN_EXPLORER             = &H00080000 ' new look commdlg
%OFN_NODEREFERENCELINKS   = &H00100000
%OFN_LONGNAMES            = &H00200000 ' force long names for 3.x 
modules
%OFN_ENABLEINCLUDENOTIFY  = &H00400000 ' send include message to 
callback
%OFN_ENABLESIZING         = &H00800000
%OFN_DONTADDTORECENT      = &H02000000
%OFN_FORCESHOWHIDDEN      = &H10000000 ' Show All files including 
System and hidden files

%OFN_EX_NOPLACESBAR       = &H00000001

' Return values for the registered message sent to the hook function
' when a sharing violation occurs.  %OFN_SHAREFALLTHROUGH allows the
' filename to be accepted, %OFN_SHARENOWARN rejects the name but puts
' up no warning (returned when the app has already put up a warning
' message), and %OFN_SHAREWARN puts up the default warning message
' for sharing violations.
'
' Note:  Undefined return values map to OFN_SHAREWARN, but are
'        reserved for future use.

%OFN_SHAREFALLTHROUGH     = 2
%OFN_SHARENOWARN          = 1
%OFN_SHAREWARN            = 0

-- 
Lexacorp Ltd
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From markH at bitgen.co.uk  Thu May  1 05:58:50 2003
From: markH at bitgen.co.uk (MarkH)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 11:58:50 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections
In-Reply-To: <3EB183B6.31313.80EF140@localhost>
Message-ID: <000001c30fd0$a639dcd0$2c66893e@laptop>

Hello again

Sorry if I'm missing something here but...

If I set the flags like so:

	"OpenFile.flags = &H00000200"

the code is changed to 

	"OpenFile.flags = &H200"

	and I get a very old looking dialog box that doesn't list files.

But if I do it like this:

	"OpenFile.flags = OFN_ALLOWMULTISELECT"

	I get the dialog I'd expect but still can't make multiple
selections.

Am I doing something wrong ???

Cheers (again :o)

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: 01 May 2003 11:30
To: MarkH; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections


On 1 May 2003 at 10:15, MarkH wrote:

> Hello All
> 
> (using AXP on WinXP)
> 
> Does anyone have an example of some open dialog code that allows the 
> user to select more than one file? I need to be able to select one or 
> more files and just return the paths to the database, not open them at

> that time...
> 

Here's an example of using the GetOpenFileName  API yet again :-) You
will notice that Flags is set to  '%OFN_ALLOWMULTISELECT ( 
&H00000200), it will do what you want (see  the flags section below 
for explanations and constants).

      Type OPENFILENAME
         lStructSize As Long
         hwndOwner As Long
         hInstance As Long
         lpstrFilter As String
         lpstrCustomFilter As String
         nMaxCustFilter As Long
         nFilterIndex As Long
         lpstrFile As String
         nMaxFile As Long
         lpstrFileTitle As String
         nMaxFileTitle As Long
         lpstrInitialDir As String
         lpstrTitle As String
         flags As Long
         nFileOffset As Integer
         nFileExtension As Integer
         lpstrDefExt As String
         lCustData As Long
         lpfnHook As Long
         lpTemplateName As String
       End Type

Declare Function GetOpenFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" Alias _
         "GetOpenFileNameA" (pOpenfilename As OPENFILENAME) As Long


Private Sub btnbrowse_Click()

         Dim OpenFile As OPENFILENAME
         Dim lReturn As Long
         Dim sFilter As String
         OpenFile.lStructSize = Len(OpenFile)
         OpenFile.hwndOwner = Me.hwnd
         OpenFile.hInstance = 0
         sFilter = "" & Chr(0)
         OpenFile.lpstrFilter = sFilter
         OpenFile.nFilterIndex = 1
         OpenFile.lpstrFile = String(257, 0)
         OpenFile.nMaxFile = Len(OpenFile.lpstrFile) - 1
         OpenFile.lpstrFileTitle = OpenFile.lpstrFile
         OpenFile.nMaxFileTitle = OpenFile.nMaxFile
         OpenFile.lpstrInitialDir = "C:\"
         OpenFile.lpstrTitle = "Select File"
         OpenFile.flags = &H00000200
         lReturn = GetOpenFileName(OpenFile)
            
         Text0 = Left$(OpenFile.lpstrFile, InStr(OpenFile.lpstrFile, 
Chr$(0)) - 1)
End Sub


Flags

A set of bit flags you can use to initialize the dialog box. When the 
dialog box returns, it sets these flags to indicate the user's input. 
This member can be a combination of the following flags: 

 OFN_ALLOWMULTISELECT	
Specifies that the File Name list box allows multiple selections. If 
you also set the OFN_EXPLORER flag, the dialog box uses the Explorer-
style user interface; otherwise, it uses the old-style user 
interface. If the user selects more than one file, the lpstrFile 
buffer returns the path to the current directory followed by the 
filenames of the selected files. The nFileOffset member is the offset 
to the first filename, and the nFileExtension member is not used. For 
Explorer-style dialog boxes, the directory and filename strings are 
NULL separated, with an extra NULL character after the last filename. 
This format enables the Explorer-style dialogs to return long 
filenames that include spaces. For old-style dialog boxes, the 
directory and filename strings are separated by spaces and the 
function uses short filenames for filenames with spaces. You can use 
the FindFirstFile function to convert between long and short 
filenames. If you specify a custom template for an old-style dialog 
box, the definition of the File Name list box must contain the 
LBS_EXTENDEDSEL value. 
 
 OFN_CREATEPROMPT	
If the user specifies a file that does not exist, this flag causes 
the dialog box to prompt the user for permission to create the file. 
If the user chooses to create the file, the dialog box closes and the 
function returns the specified name; otherwise, the dialog box 
remains open. 
OFN_ENABLEHOOK	
Enables the hook function specified in the lpfnHook member. 
OFN_ENABLETEMPLATE	
Indicates that the lpTemplateName member points to the name of a 
dialog template resource in the module identified by the hInstance 
member.If the OFN_EXPLORER flag is set, the system uses the specified 
template to create a dialog box that is a child of the default 
Explorer-style dialog box. If the OFN_EXPLORER flag is not set, the 
system uses the template to create an old-style dialog box that 
replaces the default dialog box.
OFN_ENABLETEMPLATEHANDLE	
Indicates that the hInstance member identifies a data block that 
contains a preloaded dialog box template. The system ignores the 
lpTemplateName if this flag is specified.If the OFN_EXPLORER flag is 
set, the system uses the specified template to create a dialog box 
that is a child of the default Explorer-style dialog box. If the 
OFN_EXPLORER flag is not set, the system uses the template to create 
an old-style dialog box that replaces the default dialog box.
OFN_EXPLORER	
Indicates that any customizations made to the Open or Save As dialog 
box use the new Explorer-style customization methods. For more 
information, see the "Explorer-Style Hook Procedures" and "Explorer-
Style Custom Templates" sections of the Common Dialog Box Library 
overview.By default, the Open and Save As dialog boxes use the 
Explorer-style user interface regardless of whether this flag is set. 
This flag is necessary only if you provide a hook procedure or custom 
template, or set the OFN_ALLOWMULTISELECT flag. If you want the old-
style user interface, omit the OFN_EXPLORER flag and provide a 
replacement old-style template or hook procedure. If you want the old 
style but do not need a custom template or hook procedure, simply 
provide a hook procedure that always returns FALSE.
OFN_EXTENSIONDIFFERENT	
Specifies that the user typed a filename extension that differs from 
the extension specified by lpstrDefExt. The function does not use 
this flag if lpstrDefExt is NULL.
OFN_FILEMUSTEXIST	
Specifies that the user can type only names of existing files in the 
File Name entry field. If this flag is specified and the user enters 
an invalid name, the dialog box procedure displays a warning in a 
message box. If this flag is specified, the OFN_PATHMUSTEXIST flag is 
also used.
OFN_HIDEREADONLY	
Hides the Read Only check box.
OFN_LONGNAMES	
For old-style dialog boxes, this flag causes the dialog box to use 
long filenames. If this flag is not specified, or if the 
OFN_ALLOWMULTISELECT flag is also set, old-style dialog boxes use 
short filenames (8.3 format) for filenames with spaces. Explorer- style
dialog boxes ignore this flag and always display long 
filenames.
OFN_NOCHANGEDIR	
Restores the current directory to its original value if the user 
changed the directory while searching for files.
OFN_NODEREFERENCELINKS	
Directs the dialog box to return the path and filename of the 
selected shortcut (.LNK) file. If this value is not given, the dialog 
box returns the path and filename of the file referenced by the 
shortcut
OFN_NOLONGNAMES	
For old-style dialog boxes, this flag causes the dialog box to use 
short filenames (8.3 format). Explorer-style dialog boxes ignore this 
flag and always display long filenames.
OFN_NONETWORKBUTTON	
Hides and disables the Network button.
OFN_NOREADONLYRETURN	
Specifies that the returned file does not have the Read Only check 
box checked and is not in a write-protected directory.
OFN_NOTESTFILECREATE	
Specifies that the file is not created before the dialog box is 
closed. This flag should be specified if the application saves the 
file on a create-nonmodify network sharepoint. When an application 
specifies this flag, the library does not check for write protection, 
a full disk, an open drive door, or network protection. Applications 
using this flag must perform file operations carefully, because a 
file cannot be reopened once it is closed.
OFN_NOVALIDATE	
Specifies that the common dialog boxes allow invalid characters in 
the returned filename. Typically, the calling application uses a hook 
procedure that checks the filename by using the FILEOKSTRING message. 
If the text box in the edit control is empty or contains nothing but 
spaces, the lists of files and directories are updated. If the text 
box in the edit control contains anything else, nFileOffset and 
nFileExtension are set to values generated by parsing the text. No 
default extension is added to the text, nor is text copied to the 
buffer specified by lpstrFileTitle.
If the value specified by nFileOffset is less than zero, the filename 
is invalid. Otherwise, the filename is valid, and nFileExtension and 
nFileOffset can be used as if the OFN_NOVALIDATE flag had not been 
specified.
OFN_OVERWRITEPROMPT	
Causes the Save As dialog box to generate a message box if the 
selected file already exists. The user must confirm whether to 
overwrite the file.
OFN_PATHMUSTEXIST	
Specifies that the user can type only valid paths and filenames. If 
this flag is used and the user types an invalid path and filename in 
the File Name entry field, the dialog box function displays a warning 
in a message box.
OFN_READONLY	
Causes the Read Only check box to be checked initially when the 
dialog box is created. This flag indicates the state of the Read Only 
check box when the dialog box is closed.
OFN_SHAREAWARE	
Specifies that if a call to the OpenFile function fails because of a 
network sharing violation, the error is ignored and the dialog box 
returns the selected filename. If this flag is not set, the dialog 
box notifies your hook procedure when a network sharing violation 
occurs for the filename specified by the user. If you set the 
OFN_EXPLORER flag, the dialog box sends the CDN_SHAREVIOLATION 
message to the hook procedure. If you do not set OFN_EXPLORER, the 
dialog box sends the SHAREVISTRING registered message to the hook 
procedure. 
OFN_SHOWHELP	
Causes the dialog box to display the Help button. The hwndOwner 
member must specify the window to receive the HELPMSGSTRING 
registered messages that the dialog box sends when the user clicks 
the Help button.An Explorer-style dialog box sends a CDN_HELP 
notification message to your hook procedure when the user clicks the 
Help button. 

Values of flages are as follows:

%OFN_READONLY             = &H00000001
%OFN_OVERWRITEPROMPT      = &H00000002
%OFN_HIDEREADONLY         = &H00000004
%OFN_NOCHANGEDIR          = &H00000008
%OFN_SHOWHELP             = &H00000010
%OFN_ENABLEHOOK           = &H00000020
%OFN_ENABLETEMPLATE       = &H00000040
%OFN_ENABLETEMPLATEHANDLE = &H00000080
%OFN_NOVALIDATE           = &H00000100
%OFN_ALLOWMULTISELECT     = &H00000200
%OFN_EXTENSIONDIFFERENT   = &H00000400
%OFN_PATHMUSTEXIST        = &H00000800
%OFN_FILEMUSTEXIST        = &H00001000
%OFN_CREATEPROMPT         = &H00002000
%OFN_SHAREAWARE           = &H00004000
%OFN_NOREADONLYRETURN     = &H00008000
%OFN_NOTESTFILECREATE     = &H00010000
%OFN_NONETWORKBUTTON      = &H00020000
%OFN_NOLONGNAMES          = &H00040000 ' force no long names for 4.x 
modules
%OFN_EXPLORER             = &H00080000 ' new look commdlg
%OFN_NODEREFERENCELINKS   = &H00100000
%OFN_LONGNAMES            = &H00200000 ' force long names for 3.x 
modules
%OFN_ENABLEINCLUDENOTIFY  = &H00400000 ' send include message to 
callback
%OFN_ENABLESIZING         = &H00800000
%OFN_DONTADDTORECENT      = &H02000000
%OFN_FORCESHOWHIDDEN      = &H10000000 ' Show All files including 
System and hidden files

%OFN_EX_NOPLACESBAR       = &H00000001

' Return values for the registered message sent to the hook function '
when a sharing violation occurs.  %OFN_SHAREFALLTHROUGH allows the '
filename to be accepted, %OFN_SHARENOWARN rejects the name but puts ' up
no warning (returned when the app has already put up a warning '
message), and %OFN_SHAREWARN puts up the default warning message ' for
sharing violations. ' ' Note:  Undefined return values map to
OFN_SHAREWARN, but are
'        reserved for future use.

%OFN_SHAREFALLTHROUGH     = 2
%OFN_SHARENOWARN          = 1
%OFN_SHAREWARN            = 0

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From markH at bitgen.co.uk  Thu May  1 06:09:35 2003
From: markH at bitgen.co.uk (MarkH)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 12:09:35 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections
In-Reply-To: <000001c30fd0$a639dcd0$2c66893e@laptop>
Message-ID: <000001c30fd2$26d8ff50$2c66893e@laptop>

Oooops... Got it thanks :o)

Mark

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MarkH
Sent: 01 May 2003 11:59
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections


Hello again

Sorry if I'm missing something here but...

If I set the flags like so:

	"OpenFile.flags = &H00000200"

the code is changed to 

	"OpenFile.flags = &H200"

	and I get a very old looking dialog box that doesn't list files.

But if I do it like this:

	"OpenFile.flags = OFN_ALLOWMULTISELECT"

	I get the dialog I'd expect but still can't make multiple
selections.

Am I doing something wrong ???

Cheers (again :o)

Mark

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McLachlan
Sent: 01 May 2003 11:30
To: MarkH; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections


On 1 May 2003 at 10:15, MarkH wrote:

> Hello All
> 
> (using AXP on WinXP)
> 
> Does anyone have an example of some open dialog code that allows the
> user to select more than one file? I need to be able to select one or 
> more files and just return the paths to the database, not open them at

> that time...
> 

Here's an example of using the GetOpenFileName  API yet again :-) You
will notice that Flags is set to  '%OFN_ALLOWMULTISELECT ( 
&H00000200), it will do what you want (see  the flags section below 
for explanations and constants).

      Type OPENFILENAME
         lStructSize As Long
         hwndOwner As Long
         hInstance As Long
         lpstrFilter As String
         lpstrCustomFilter As String
         nMaxCustFilter As Long
         nFilterIndex As Long
         lpstrFile As String
         nMaxFile As Long
         lpstrFileTitle As String
         nMaxFileTitle As Long
         lpstrInitialDir As String
         lpstrTitle As String
         flags As Long
         nFileOffset As Integer
         nFileExtension As Integer
         lpstrDefExt As String
         lCustData As Long
         lpfnHook As Long
         lpTemplateName As String
       End Type

Declare Function GetOpenFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" Alias _
         "GetOpenFileNameA" (pOpenfilename As OPENFILENAME) As Long


Private Sub btnbrowse_Click()

         Dim OpenFile As OPENFILENAME
         Dim lReturn As Long
         Dim sFilter As String
         OpenFile.lStructSize = Len(OpenFile)
         OpenFile.hwndOwner = Me.hwnd
         OpenFile.hInstance = 0
         sFilter = "" & Chr(0)
         OpenFile.lpstrFilter = sFilter
         OpenFile.nFilterIndex = 1
         OpenFile.lpstrFile = String(257, 0)
         OpenFile.nMaxFile = Len(OpenFile.lpstrFile) - 1
         OpenFile.lpstrFileTitle = OpenFile.lpstrFile
         OpenFile.nMaxFileTitle = OpenFile.nMaxFile
         OpenFile.lpstrInitialDir = "C:\"
         OpenFile.lpstrTitle = "Select File"
         OpenFile.flags = &H00000200
         lReturn = GetOpenFileName(OpenFile)
            
         Text0 = Left$(OpenFile.lpstrFile, InStr(OpenFile.lpstrFile, 
Chr$(0)) - 1)
End Sub


Flags

A set of bit flags you can use to initialize the dialog box. When the 
dialog box returns, it sets these flags to indicate the user's input. 
This member can be a combination of the following flags: 

 OFN_ALLOWMULTISELECT	
Specifies that the File Name list box allows multiple selections. If 
you also set the OFN_EXPLORER flag, the dialog box uses the Explorer-
style user interface; otherwise, it uses the old-style user 
interface. If the user selects more than one file, the lpstrFile 
buffer returns the path to the current directory followed by the 
filenames of the selected files. The nFileOffset member is the offset 
to the first filename, and the nFileExtension member is not used. For 
Explorer-style dialog boxes, the directory and filename strings are 
NULL separated, with an extra NULL character after the last filename. 
This format enables the Explorer-style dialogs to return long 
filenames that include spaces. For old-style dialog boxes, the 
directory and filename strings are separated by spaces and the 
function uses short filenames for filenames with spaces. You can use 
the FindFirstFile function to convert between long and short 
filenames. If you specify a custom template for an old-style dialog 
box, the definition of the File Name list box must contain the 
LBS_EXTENDEDSEL value. 
 
 OFN_CREATEPROMPT	
If the user specifies a file that does not exist, this flag causes 
the dialog box to prompt the user for permission to create the file. 
If the user chooses to create the file, the dialog box closes and the 
function returns the specified name; otherwise, the dialog box 
remains open. 
OFN_ENABLEHOOK	
Enables the hook function specified in the lpfnHook member. 
OFN_ENABLETEMPLATE	
Indicates that the lpTemplateName member points to the name of a 
dialog template resource in the module identified by the hInstance 
member.If the OFN_EXPLORER flag is set, the system uses the specified 
template to create a dialog box that is a child of the default 
Explorer-style dialog box. If the OFN_EXPLORER flag is not set, the 
system uses the template to create an old-style dialog box that 
replaces the default dialog box.
OFN_ENABLETEMPLATEHANDLE	
Indicates that the hInstance member identifies a data block that 
contains a preloaded dialog box template. The system ignores the 
lpTemplateName if this flag is specified.If the OFN_EXPLORER flag is 
set, the system uses the specified template to create a dialog box 
that is a child of the default Explorer-style dialog box. If the 
OFN_EXPLORER flag is not set, the system uses the template to create 
an old-style dialog box that replaces the default dialog box.
OFN_EXPLORER	
Indicates that any customizations made to the Open or Save As dialog 
box use the new Explorer-style customization methods. For more 
information, see the "Explorer-Style Hook Procedures" and "Explorer-
Style Custom Templates" sections of the Common Dialog Box Library 
overview.By default, the Open and Save As dialog boxes use the 
Explorer-style user interface regardless of whether this flag is set. 
This flag is necessary only if you provide a hook procedure or custom 
template, or set the OFN_ALLOWMULTISELECT flag. If you want the old-
style user interface, omit the OFN_EXPLORER flag and provide a 
replacement old-style template or hook procedure. If you want the old 
style but do not need a custom template or hook procedure, simply 
provide a hook procedure that always returns FALSE.
OFN_EXTENSIONDIFFERENT	
Specifies that the user typed a filename extension that differs from 
the extension specified by lpstrDefExt. The function does not use 
this flag if lpstrDefExt is NULL.
OFN_FILEMUSTEXIST	
Specifies that the user can type only names of existing files in the 
File Name entry field. If this flag is specified and the user enters 
an invalid name, the dialog box procedure displays a warning in a 
message box. If this flag is specified, the OFN_PATHMUSTEXIST flag is 
also used.
OFN_HIDEREADONLY	
Hides the Read Only check box.
OFN_LONGNAMES	
For old-style dialog boxes, this flag causes the dialog box to use 
long filenames. If this flag is not specified, or if the 
OFN_ALLOWMULTISELECT flag is also set, old-style dialog boxes use 
short filenames (8.3 format) for filenames with spaces. Explorer- style
dialog boxes ignore this flag and always display long 
filenames.
OFN_NOCHANGEDIR	
Restores the current directory to its original value if the user 
changed the directory while searching for files.
OFN_NODEREFERENCELINKS	
Directs the dialog box to return the path and filename of the 
selected shortcut (.LNK) file. If this value is not given, the dialog 
box returns the path and filename of the file referenced by the 
shortcut
OFN_NOLONGNAMES	
For old-style dialog boxes, this flag causes the dialog box to use 
short filenames (8.3 format). Explorer-style dialog boxes ignore this 
flag and always display long filenames.
OFN_NONETWORKBUTTON	
Hides and disables the Network button.
OFN_NOREADONLYRETURN	
Specifies that the returned file does not have the Read Only check 
box checked and is not in a write-protected directory.
OFN_NOTESTFILECREATE	
Specifies that the file is not created before the dialog box is 
closed. This flag should be specified if the application saves the 
file on a create-nonmodify network sharepoint. When an application 
specifies this flag, the library does not check for write protection, 
a full disk, an open drive door, or network protection. Applications 
using this flag must perform file operations carefully, because a 
file cannot be reopened once it is closed.
OFN_NOVALIDATE	
Specifies that the common dialog boxes allow invalid characters in 
the returned filename. Typically, the calling application uses a hook 
procedure that checks the filename by using the FILEOKSTRING message. 
If the text box in the edit control is empty or contains nothing but 
spaces, the lists of files and directories are updated. If the text 
box in the edit control contains anything else, nFileOffset and 
nFileExtension are set to values generated by parsing the text. No 
default extension is added to the text, nor is text copied to the 
buffer specified by lpstrFileTitle.
If the value specified by nFileOffset is less than zero, the filename 
is invalid. Otherwise, the filename is valid, and nFileExtension and 
nFileOffset can be used as if the OFN_NOVALIDATE flag had not been 
specified.
OFN_OVERWRITEPROMPT	
Causes the Save As dialog box to generate a message box if the 
selected file already exists. The user must confirm whether to 
overwrite the file.
OFN_PATHMUSTEXIST	
Specifies that the user can type only valid paths and filenames. If 
this flag is used and the user types an invalid path and filename in 
the File Name entry field, the dialog box function displays a warning 
in a message box.
OFN_READONLY	
Causes the Read Only check box to be checked initially when the 
dialog box is created. This flag indicates the state of the Read Only 
check box when the dialog box is closed.
OFN_SHAREAWARE	
Specifies that if a call to the OpenFile function fails because of a 
network sharing violation, the error is ignored and the dialog box 
returns the selected filename. If this flag is not set, the dialog 
box notifies your hook procedure when a network sharing violation 
occurs for the filename specified by the user. If you set the 
OFN_EXPLORER flag, the dialog box sends the CDN_SHAREVIOLATION 
message to the hook procedure. If you do not set OFN_EXPLORER, the 
dialog box sends the SHAREVISTRING registered message to the hook 
procedure. 
OFN_SHOWHELP	
Causes the dialog box to display the Help button. The hwndOwner 
member must specify the window to receive the HELPMSGSTRING 
registered messages that the dialog box sends when the user clicks 
the Help button.An Explorer-style dialog box sends a CDN_HELP 
notification message to your hook procedure when the user clicks the 
Help button. 

Values of flages are as follows:

%OFN_READONLY             = &H00000001
%OFN_OVERWRITEPROMPT      = &H00000002
%OFN_HIDEREADONLY         = &H00000004
%OFN_NOCHANGEDIR          = &H00000008
%OFN_SHOWHELP             = &H00000010
%OFN_ENABLEHOOK           = &H00000020
%OFN_ENABLETEMPLATE       = &H00000040
%OFN_ENABLETEMPLATEHANDLE = &H00000080
%OFN_NOVALIDATE           = &H00000100
%OFN_ALLOWMULTISELECT     = &H00000200
%OFN_EXTENSIONDIFFERENT   = &H00000400
%OFN_PATHMUSTEXIST        = &H00000800
%OFN_FILEMUSTEXIST        = &H00001000
%OFN_CREATEPROMPT         = &H00002000
%OFN_SHAREAWARE           = &H00004000
%OFN_NOREADONLYRETURN     = &H00008000
%OFN_NOTESTFILECREATE     = &H00010000
%OFN_NONETWORKBUTTON      = &H00020000
%OFN_NOLONGNAMES          = &H00040000 ' force no long names for 4.x 
modules
%OFN_EXPLORER             = &H00080000 ' new look commdlg
%OFN_NODEREFERENCELINKS   = &H00100000
%OFN_LONGNAMES            = &H00200000 ' force long names for 3.x 
modules
%OFN_ENABLEINCLUDENOTIFY  = &H00400000 ' send include message to 
callback
%OFN_ENABLESIZING         = &H00800000
%OFN_DONTADDTORECENT      = &H02000000
%OFN_FORCESHOWHIDDEN      = &H10000000 ' Show All files including 
System and hidden files

%OFN_EX_NOPLACESBAR       = &H00000001

' Return values for the registered message sent to the hook function '
when a sharing violation occurs.  %OFN_SHAREFALLTHROUGH allows the '
filename to be accepted, %OFN_SHARENOWARN rejects the name but puts ' up
no warning (returned when the app has already put up a warning '
message), and %OFN_SHAREWARN puts up the default warning message ' for
sharing violations. ' ' Note:  Undefined return values map to
OFN_SHAREWARN, but are
'        reserved for future use.

%OFN_SHAREFALLTHROUGH     = 2
%OFN_SHARENOWARN          = 1
%OFN_SHAREWARN            = 0

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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu May  1 07:13:17 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 08:13:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Which SQL engines support SHAPE?
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99E55400@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Gustav,

I believe Shape is an ADO object introduced in ADO 2.0.  Here's some info from help but it looks like it might work with any OLEDB compatible data source.

<help snip>
The Microsoft Data Shaping Service for OLE DB service provider supports the construction of hierarchical (shaped) Recordset objects from one or more data providers.

Provider Keyword

To invoke the Data Shaping Service for OLE DB, specify the following keyword and value in the connection string.

"Provider=MSDataShape"


</help snip>

HTH,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


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Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 4:48 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Which SQL engines support SHAPE?


Hi all

Is SHAPE (returning sub recordsets within a recordset) in SQL
proprietary of Microsoft SQL Server? 

Or do some other SQL engines support this too?

/gustav

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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Thu May  1 07:48:26 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 13:48:26 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Which SQL engines support SHAPE?
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99E55400@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <00c701c30fdf$f566bb20$9111758f@aine>

Gustav

Send you an article of list.

Martin

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From: "Jim DeMarco" <Jdemarco at hshhp.org>
To: "accessd" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 1:13 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Which SQL engines support SHAPE?


> Gustav,
>
> I believe Shape is an ADO object introduced in ADO 2.0.  Here's some info
from help but it looks like it might work with any OLEDB compatible data
source.
>
> <help snip>
> The Microsoft Data Shaping Service for OLE DB service provider supports
the construction of hierarchical (shaped) Recordset objects from one or more
data providers.
>
> Provider Keyword
>
> To invoke the Data Shaping Service for OLE DB, specify the following
keyword and value in the connection string.
>
> "Provider=MSDataShape"
>
>
> </help snip>
>
> HTH,
>
> Jim DeMarco
> Director of Product Development
> HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 4:48 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Which SQL engines support SHAPE?
>
>
> Hi all
>
> Is SHAPE (returning sub recordsets within a recordset) in SQL
> proprietary of Microsoft SQL Server?
>
> Or do some other SQL engines support this too?
>
> /gustav
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu May  1 08:05:43 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 15:05:43 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Which SQL engines support SHAPE?
In-Reply-To: <00c701c30fdf$f566bb20$9111758f@aine>
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99E55400@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
 <00c701c30fdf$f566bb20$9111758f@aine>
Message-ID: <18124726775.20030501150543@cactus.dk>

Hi Martin and Jim

Thanks!

To put it in other words, just to be sure:
Does this mean that SHAPE is "pseudo SQL" - a syntax of ADO, which
transforms the SHAPE sentence into normal SELECT queries which are
sent behind the scene to the engine via OLEDB? Thus any SQL engine
with an OLEDB driver can be used?

/gustav


> Send you an article of list.

> Martin

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> To: "accessd" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 1:13 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Which SQL engines support SHAPE?


>> Gustav,
>>
>> I believe Shape is an ADO object introduced in ADO 2.0.  Here's some info
>> from help but it looks like it might work with any OLEDB compatible data
>> source.
>>
>> <help snip>

>> The Microsoft Data Shaping Service for OLE DB service provider supports
>> the construction of hierarchical (shaped) Recordset objects from one or more
>> data providers.
>>
>> Provider Keyword
>>
>> To invoke the Data Shaping Service for OLE DB, specify the following
>> keyword and value in the connection string.
>>
>> "Provider=MSDataShape"
>>
>> </help snip>
>>
>> HTH,
>>
>> Jim DeMarco
>> Director of Product Development
>> HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
>> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 4:48 AM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: [AccessD] Which SQL engines support SHAPE?
>>
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Is SHAPE (returning sub recordsets within a recordset) in SQL
>> proprietary of Microsoft SQL Server?
>>
>> Or do some other SQL engines support this too?


From markH at bitgen.co.uk  Thu May  1 08:59:29 2003
From: markH at bitgen.co.uk (MarkH)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 14:59:29 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections One More Simple
	Question
In-Reply-To: <000001c30fd2$26d8ff50$2c66893e@laptop>
Message-ID: <000001c30fe9$e3195270$eac287d9@laptop>

Hi again...

I got the dialog working fine, BUT... If I select more than a handful of
files then nothing gets returned.

Is there a limit?

In some cases I may be looking to select 50 or 60 files at a time...

Thanks again

Mark

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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu May  1 09:03:45 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 10:03:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Which SQL engines support SHAPE?
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B12@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

The help snippet I included would lead you to believe that (don't know what Martin sent you).  I couldn't say for certain though.

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 9:06 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Which SQL engines support SHAPE?


Hi Martin and Jim

Thanks!

To put it in other words, just to be sure:
Does this mean that SHAPE is "pseudo SQL" - a syntax of ADO, which
transforms the SHAPE sentence into normal SELECT queries which are
sent behind the scene to the engine via OLEDB? Thus any SQL engine
with an OLEDB driver can be used?

/gustav


> Send you an article of list.

> Martin

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim DeMarco" <Jdemarco at hshhp.org>
> To: "accessd" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 1:13 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Which SQL engines support SHAPE?


>> Gustav,
>>
>> I believe Shape is an ADO object introduced in ADO 2.0.  Here's some info
>> from help but it looks like it might work with any OLEDB compatible data
>> source.
>>
>> <help snip>

>> The Microsoft Data Shaping Service for OLE DB service provider supports
>> the construction of hierarchical (shaped) Recordset objects from one or more
>> data providers.
>>
>> Provider Keyword
>>
>> To invoke the Data Shaping Service for OLE DB, specify the following
>> keyword and value in the connection string.
>>
>> "Provider=MSDataShape"
>>
>> </help snip>
>>
>> HTH,
>>
>> Jim DeMarco
>> Director of Product Development
>> HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
>> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 4:48 AM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: [AccessD] Which SQL engines support SHAPE?
>>
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Is SHAPE (returning sub recordsets within a recordset) in SQL
>> proprietary of Microsoft SQL Server?
>>
>> Or do some other SQL engines support this too?

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From bbruen at bigpond.com  Thu May  1 09:22:09 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 00:22:09 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections One More
 SimpleQuestion
In-Reply-To: <000001c30fe9$e3195270$eac287d9@laptop>
Message-ID: <000a01c30fed$0d669bc0$be75fea9@bbb888>

The length of your lpstrFile buffer is probably the culprit.  You may
have some trouble trying to get it to return very large lists though.
Hth
Bruce

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MarkH
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 11:59 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections One More
SimpleQuestion


Hi again...

I got the dialog working fine, BUT... If I select more than a handful of
files then nothing gets returned.

Is there a limit?

In some cases I may be looking to select 50 or 60 files at a time...

Thanks again

Mark

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From bbruen at bigpond.com  Thu May  1 09:37:59 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 00:37:59 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] More on Intrusive Outlook Habits
Message-ID: <000801c30fef$4475d840$be75fea9@bbb888>

Just in case you thought it might be safe to...

This article brings yet more bad news on M$'s half baked outlook
security system.  The article addresses what they are doing with Outlook
2003:

http://www.winnetmag.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=38375&pg=1&show=74
1

So, all in all it looks like the Redemption or 3rd Party OCX's are
probably the most reasonable approach in terms of delivering
functionality to the user and some hope of longevity.

Bruce
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu May  1 10:05:03 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 08:05:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Which SQL engines support SHAPE?
In-Reply-To: <18124726775.20030501150543@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFGEGGCHAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Gustav:

Here is a MS explaination:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q189657&SD=MSKB

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 6:06 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Which SQL engines support SHAPE?


Hi Martin and Jim

Thanks!

To put it in other words, just to be sure:
Does this mean that SHAPE is "pseudo SQL" - a syntax of ADO, which
transforms the SHAPE sentence into normal SELECT queries which are
sent behind the scene to the engine via OLEDB? Thus any SQL engine
with an OLEDB driver can be used?

/gustav


> Send you an article of list.

> Martin

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim DeMarco" <Jdemarco at hshhp.org>
> To: "accessd" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 1:13 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Which SQL engines support SHAPE?


>> Gustav,
>>
>> I believe Shape is an ADO object introduced in ADO 2.0.  Here's some info
>> from help but it looks like it might work with any OLEDB compatible data
>> source.
>>
>> <help snip>

>> The Microsoft Data Shaping Service for OLE DB service provider supports
>> the construction of hierarchical (shaped) Recordset objects from one or
more
>> data providers.
>>
>> Provider Keyword
>>
>> To invoke the Data Shaping Service for OLE DB, specify the following
>> keyword and value in the connection string.
>>
>> "Provider=MSDataShape"
>>
>> </help snip>
>>
>> HTH,
>>
>> Jim DeMarco
>> Director of Product Development
>> HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
>> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 4:48 AM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: [AccessD] Which SQL engines support SHAPE?
>>
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Is SHAPE (returning sub recordsets within a recordset) in SQL
>> proprietary of Microsoft SQL Server?
>>
>> Or do some other SQL engines support this too?

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May  1 10:24:00 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 08:24:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Event Sink Performance Comparison
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C322@infoserver01.infostat.local>

OK you event sinking gurus--JC, Shamil, et al--do any of you have any
performance comparison information on using event sinks as opposed to
using direct calls to public methods of forms and subforms?  This is not
a framework, merely a single form with about 12 subforms, one of which
has a public method.  My instinct is that the differences would be
miniscule with subforms raising a single event to a parent form, which
then calls the public method of one of its subforms, as compared to each
of the other subforms making a direct call into  the subform with the
public method.  Will using this technique slow the form noticeably
because of the overhead of the event sinks?  Can anyone shed some light
on the actual differences?  This is Access 2002 converted from 97 and
using the 2002 file format for the front end and we're only talking
about execution speed, not maintainability or reusability issues.

Charlotte Foust

From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May  1 10:34:32 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 08:34:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Which SQL engines support SHAPE?
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311EE2@infoserver01.infostat.local>

It comes from ADO.  You can shape Access recordsets using it, so I
assume you can shape other flavors as well.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 12:48 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Which SQL engines support SHAPE?


Hi all

Is SHAPE (returning sub recordsets within a recordset) in SQL
proprietary of Microsoft SQL Server? 

Or do some other SQL engines support this too?

/gustav

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu May  1 10:35:32 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 08:35:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002
Message-ID: <010801c30ff7$4d44f750$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Dear List:

I'm running A2K.  If I make an MDE out of one of my MDBs and send it to someone running OXP with AXP, will it run?

MTIA

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May  1 10:45:52 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 08:45:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311EE3@infoserver01.infostat.local>

It should.  An A97 MDE will run under AXP, although you do get the
annoying conversion dialog.
 
Charlotte Foust 

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
[mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
	Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 7:36 AM
	To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002
	
	
	Dear List:
	 
	I'm running A2K.  If I make an MDE out of one of my MDBs and
send it to someone running OXP with AXP, will it run?
	 
	MTIA
	 
	Rocky Smolin
	Beach Access Software
	 

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From delliker at hotmail.com  Thu May  1 11:55:28 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 12:55:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002
Message-ID: <Law12-F53lym2aaHYqA00019a16@hotmail.com>

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu May  1 13:01:34 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 11:01:34 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002
References: <Law12-F53lym2aaHYqA00019a16@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <017801c3100b$b460bff0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

It's actually a D35 and it needs a bit of work.  Piece of white trim along the fretboard broke off.  Also want the action adjusted.  I was told I'd have to send it back to Martin for the best service.  You ever do that?

Rocky

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Don Elliker 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 9:55 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002


  Rocky,

  XP supports A2K file format.

  (How's the D28?)
  _D






  "Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." 
  >From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" 
  >Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  >To: 
  >Subject: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002 
  >Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 08:35:32 -0700 
  > 
  >Dear List: 
  > 
  >I'm running A2K. If I make an MDE out of one of my MDBs and send it to someone running OXP with AXP, will it run? 
  > 
  >MTIA 
  > 
  >Rocky Smolin 
  >Beach Access Software 
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From tswisher at GFNET.com  Thu May  1 13:10:58 2003
From: tswisher at GFNET.com (Swisher, Timothy B.)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 14:10:58 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Delete Table from report
Message-ID: <076FC7A51D07D411BC02009027A1B45103891224@SEESAR3.corporate.gannettfleming.com>


Hi group, I have a report that on open builds a temp table, populates the
table, then displays the info in the report.  I would like to delete the
table when the report closes, but since the report is bound to the table, it
will not let me delete the table.  This is a standalone report, it is not
being called from a form or anything so I can't put the code there.  I open
the report from the db window, do the processing, then I want to delete the
table.  A2K by the way.  Any ideas?  TIA.

Tim
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From jscott at mchsi.com  Thu May  1 13:23:36 2003
From: jscott at mchsi.com (jscott at mchsi.com)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 18:23:36 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Capturing shortcut clicked
Message-ID: <200305011823.h41INXg09897@databaseadvisors.com>

Does anyone know how to capture the name of the shortcut clicked to access 
the .mdb? I am writing a version control process for two systems and I want to 
be able to share the code between the two systems without having to make the 
user tell me which system they are accessing. I won't be able to go by the name 
of the current mdb because that mdb will be a shell version checker. So, the 
only way I can think of to tell which app I should be directing them to is to 
capture the name of the shortcut (which is programatically set - so I don't 
have the danger of misspellings, etc.)

Thanks!
Jeanine

From mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com  Thu May  1 14:27:45 2003
From: mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com (Mark Whittinghill)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 13:27:45 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Delete Table from report
References: <076FC7A51D07D411BC02009027A1B45103891224@SEESAR3.corporate.gannettfleming.com>
Message-ID: <001801c31017$be00edd0$0400000a@PASCAL>

Delete Table from reportI had done something like this OnClose in the past that worked, but I don't have that handy anymore.  Another option would be, rather than creating a table on open, you could append to your table, and delete all records on close.

Mark Whittinghill
Symphony Information Services
612-333-1311
mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Swisher, Timothy B. 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 12:10 PM
  Subject: [AccessD] Delete Table from report




  Hi group, I have a report that on open builds a temp table, populates the table, then displays the info in the report.  I would like to delete the table when the report closes, but since the report is bound to the table, it will not let me delete the table.  This is a standalone report, it is not being called from a form or anything so I can't put the code there.  I open the report from the db window, do the processing, then I want to delete the table.  A2K by the way.  Any ideas?  TIA.

  Tim 



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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Thu May  1 13:27:32 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 13:27:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Delete Table from report
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357A2@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Tim,
 
Instead of the temp table, why not use a query?  Probably everything you
did to get the data into the temp table can also be done to create a
select query to use as the datasource for the report.

Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 

-----Original Message-----
From: Swisher, Timothy B. [mailto:tswisher at GFNET.com] 
Sent: Thursday 2003 May 01 13:11
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Delete Table from report




Hi group, I have a report that on open builds a temp table, populates
the table, then displays the info in the report.  I would like to delete
the table when the report closes, but since the report is bound to the
table, it will not let me delete the table.  This is a standalone
report, it is not being called from a form or anything so I can't put
the code there.  I open the report from the db window, do the
processing, then I want to delete the table.  A2K by the way.  Any
ideas?  TIA.

Tim 

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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Thu May  1 13:32:06 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 13:32:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Capturing shortcut clicked
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357A3@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

The title of the shortcut with .lnk appended.  So "Shortcut to db1.mdb"
gives "Shortcut to db1.mdb.lnk" 

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: jscott at mchsi.com [mailto:jscott at mchsi.com] 
Sent: Thursday 2003 May 01 13:24
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Capturing shortcut clicked

Does anyone know how to capture the name of the shortcut clicked to
access 
the .mdb? I am writing a version control process for two systems and I
want to 
be able to share the code between the two systems without having to make
the 
user tell me which system they are accessing. I won't be able to go by
the name 
of the current mdb because that mdb will be a shell version checker. So,
the 
only way I can think of to tell which app I should be directing them to
is to 
capture the name of the shortcut (which is programatically set - so I
don't 
have the danger of misspellings, etc.)

Thanks!
Jeanine

From tswisher at GFNET.com  Thu May  1 13:36:54 2003
From: tswisher at GFNET.com (Swisher, Timothy B.)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 14:36:54 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Delete Table from report
Message-ID: <076FC7A51D07D411BC02009027A1B45103891226@SEESAR3.corporate.gannettfleming.com>

Actually it is a select statement, but that still has an open connection to
the table, so I can't delete the table.  I also tried to reset the
recordsource, but after the report opens, I can't change it.  Thanks.
 
Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 2:28 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Delete Table from report


Tim,
 
Instead of the temp table, why not use a query?  Probably everything you did
to get the data into the temp table can also be done to create a select
query to use as the datasource for the report.

Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 

-----Original Message-----
From: Swisher, Timothy B. [mailto:tswisher at GFNET.com] 
Sent: Thursday 2003 May 01 13:11
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Delete Table from report




Hi group, I have a report that on open builds a temp table, populates the
table, then displays the info in the report.  I would like to delete the
table when the report closes, but since the report is bound to the table, it
will not let me delete the table.  This is a standalone report, it is not
being called from a form or anything so I can't put the code there.  I open
the report from the db window, do the processing, then I want to delete the
table.  A2K by the way.  Any ideas?  TIA.

Tim 

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From tswisher at GFNET.com  Thu May  1 13:39:43 2003
From: tswisher at GFNET.com (Swisher, Timothy B.)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 14:39:43 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Delete Table from report
Message-ID: <076FC7A51D07D411BC02009027A1B45103891227@SEESAR3.corporate.gannettfleming.com>

Mark,  way to tease me with a solution then not provide one!  I was trying
to delete the table completely so as to only have a report.  We are going to
use this report in a bunch of our databases and I wanted it to be just a
single object.  Thanks.
 
Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Whittinghill [mailto:mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 3:28 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete Table from report


I had done something like this OnClose in the past that worked, but I don't
have that handy anymore.  Another option would be, rather than creating a
table on open, you could append to your table, and delete all records on
close.

Mark Whittinghill
Symphony Information Services
612-333-1311
mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com <mailto:mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com> 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Swisher,  <mailto:tswisher at gfnet.com> Timothy B. 
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>  
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 12:10 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Delete Table from report



Hi group, I have a report that on open builds a temp table, populates the
table, then displays the info in the report.  I would like to delete the
table when the report closes, but since the report is bound to the table, it
will not let me delete the table.  This is a standalone report, it is not
being called from a form or anything so I can't put the code there.  I open
the report from the db window, do the processing, then I want to delete the
table.  A2K by the way.  Any ideas?  TIA.

Tim 



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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Thu May  1 13:57:13 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 13:57:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Delete Table from report
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357A4@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Tim,

You miss the point, don't use a temp table unless absolutely needed.
Use queries instead to build up the data for the final select query that
is used at the datasource for the report.


Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
-----Original Message-----
From: Swisher, Timothy B. [mailto:tswisher at GFNET.com] 
Sent: Thursday 2003 May 01 13:37
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Delete Table from report

Actually it is a select statement, but that still has an open connection
to the table, so I can't delete the table.  I also tried to reset the
recordsource, but after the report opens, I can't change it.  Thanks.

Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 2:28 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Delete Table from report


Tim,

Instead of the temp table, why not use a query?  Probably everything you
did to get the data into the temp table can also be done to create a
select query to use as the datasource for the report.
Charles Wortz 
-----Original Message-----
From: Swisher, Timothy B. [mailto:tswisher at GFNET.com] 
Sent: Thursday 2003 May 01 13:11
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Delete Table from report




Hi group, I have a report that on open builds a temp table, populates
the table, then displays the info in the report.  I would like to delete
the table when the report closes, but since the report is bound to the
table, it will not let me delete the table.  This is a standalone
report, it is not being called from a form or anything so I can't put
the code there.  I open the report from the db window, do the
processing, then I want to delete the table.  A2K by the way.  Any
ideas?  TIA.
Tim 

From tswisher at GFNET.com  Thu May  1 14:12:57 2003
From: tswisher at GFNET.com (Swisher, Timothy B.)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 15:12:57 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Delete Table from report
Message-ID: <076FC7A51D07D411BC02009027A1B45103891228@SEESAR3.corporate.gannettfleming.com>

Charles,
Your missing the point.  The temp table is absolutely needed.  I am cycling
through the .AllForms and .AllReports collection grabbing certain data and
populating a temp table.  Unless you know of a way to query this info, the
temp table is absolutely needed.

Tim


-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 2:57 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Delete Table from report


Tim,

You miss the point, don't use a temp table unless absolutely needed.
Use queries instead to build up the data for the final select query that
is used at the datasource for the report.


Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
-----Original Message-----
From: Swisher, Timothy B. [mailto:tswisher at GFNET.com] 
Sent: Thursday 2003 May 01 13:37
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Delete Table from report

Actually it is a select statement, but that still has an open connection
to the table, so I can't delete the table.  I also tried to reset the
recordsource, but after the report opens, I can't change it.  Thanks.

Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 2:28 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Delete Table from report


Tim,

Instead of the temp table, why not use a query?  Probably everything you
did to get the data into the temp table can also be done to create a
select query to use as the datasource for the report.
Charles Wortz 
-----Original Message-----
From: Swisher, Timothy B. [mailto:tswisher at GFNET.com] 
Sent: Thursday 2003 May 01 13:11
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Delete Table from report




Hi group, I have a report that on open builds a temp table, populates
the table, then displays the info in the report.  I would like to delete
the table when the report closes, but since the report is bound to the
table, it will not let me delete the table.  This is a standalone
report, it is not being called from a form or anything so I can't put
the code there.  I open the report from the db window, do the
processing, then I want to delete the table.  A2K by the way.  Any
ideas?  TIA.
Tim 
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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Thu May  1 14:18:49 2003
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 23:18:49 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002
References: <010801c30ff7$4d44f750$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <005e01c31016$88408300$b501010a@DAISY.local>

<<<
will it run?
>>>
It will, but it may result in runtime errors, which doesn't exist when A2K
Add-in runs under A2K.
I'd recommend to compile add-in under AXP and in AXP format.

Shamil

----- Original Message -----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 7:35 PM
Subject: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002


Dear List:

I'm running A2K.  If I make an MDE out of one of my MDBs and send it to
someone running OXP with AXP, will it run?

MTIA

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software




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From mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com  Thu May  1 15:22:05 2003
From: mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com (Mark Whittinghill)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 14:22:05 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Delete Table from report
References: <076FC7A51D07D411BC02009027A1B45103891227@SEESAR3.corporate.gannettfleming.com>
Message-ID: <004001c3101f$5572bfc0$0400000a@PASCAL>

MessageYou know, now that I think about it, it was a query that I created and destroyed, not a table.  Maybe Access allows you to delete a query OnClose, but not a table.  Sorry to get your hopes up :-)



Mark Whittinghill
Symphony Information Services
612-333-1311
mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Swisher, Timothy B. 
  To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
  Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 12:39 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Delete Table from report


  Mark,  way to tease me with a solution then not provide one!  I was trying to delete the table completely so as to only have a report.  We are going to use this report in a bunch of our databases and I wanted it to be just a single object.  Thanks.

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May  1 14:28:14 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 12:28:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - D35
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311EE5@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Rocky,
 
I have a friend who has sent guitars back to Martin as well as to
Mandolin Bros in NY.  It's a major undertaking to package, insure and
ship them, but if the guitar is worth it, it helps maintain the
provenance and the value to have Martin do the repairs.  There are
certainly luthiers around who can do the job just as well, but unless
you know their work you have no guarantee of that.  If it's a vintage
instrument, definitely send it to Martin.
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
[mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
	Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 10:02 AM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002
	
	
	It's actually a D35 and it needs a bit of work.  Piece of white
trim along the fretboard broke off.  Also want the action adjusted.  I
was told I'd have to send it back to Martin for the best service.  You
ever do that?
	 
	Rocky
	 

		----- Original Message ----- 
		From: Don Elliker <mailto:delliker at hotmail.com>  
		To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
		Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 9:55 AM
		Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002


		Rocky,

		XP supports A2K file format.

		(How's the D28?)
		_D
		




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for them." 
		
		>From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" 
		>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
		>To: 
		>Subject: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002 
		>Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 08:35:32 -0700 
		> 
		>Dear List: 
		> 
		>I'm running A2K. If I make an MDE out of one of my MDBs
and send it to someone running OXP with AXP, will it run? 
		> 
		>MTIA 
		> 
		>Rocky Smolin 
		>Beach Access Software 
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu May  1 14:41:07 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 12:41:07 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - D35
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311EE5@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <023a01c31019$9c0f96c0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

MessageCharlotte:

Thanks for that.  It's got a hard shell case so it could probably be shipped that way.  It's not genuinely vintage - maybe 30 y.o. - but I'm attached to it.

Rocky

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Charlotte Foust 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 12:28 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - D35


  Rocky,

  I have a friend who has sent guitars back to Martin as well as to Mandolin Bros in NY.  It's a major undertaking to package, insure and ship them, but if the guitar is worth it, it helps maintain the provenance and the value to have Martin do the repairs.  There are certainly luthiers around who can do the job just as well, but unless you know their work you have no guarantee of that.  If it's a vintage instrument, definitely send it to Martin.

  Charlotte Foust
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
    Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 10:02 AM
    To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002


    It's actually a D35 and it needs a bit of work.  Piece of white trim along the fretboard broke off.  Also want the action adjusted.  I was told I'd have to send it back to Martin for the best service.  You ever do that?

    Rocky

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Don Elliker 
      To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
      Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 9:55 AM
      Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002


      Rocky,

      XP supports A2K file format.

      (How's the D28?)
      _D






      "Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." 
      >From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" 
      >Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
      >To: 
      >Subject: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002 
      >Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 08:35:32 -0700 
      > 
      >Dear List: 
      > 
      >I'm running A2K. If I make an MDE out of one of my MDBs and send it to someone running OXP with AXP, will it run? 
      > 
      >MTIA 
      > 
      >Rocky Smolin 
      >Beach Access Software 
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu May  1 14:42:14 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 12:42:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002
References: <010801c30ff7$4d44f750$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
	<005e01c31016$88408300$b501010a@DAISY.local>
Message-ID: <024401c31019$c3f55d50$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

It doesn't use any add-ins (that I know of) and its got full error trapping
per Colby.  Am I in the clear?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002


> <<<
> will it run?
> >>>
> It will, but it may result in runtime errors, which doesn't exist when A2K
> Add-in runs under A2K.
> I'd recommend to compile add-in under AXP and in AXP format.
>
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 7:35 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> I'm running A2K.  If I make an MDE out of one of my MDBs and send it to
> someone running OXP with AXP, will it run?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
>
>
>
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From delliker at hotmail.com  Thu May  1 14:48:15 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 15:48:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002
Message-ID: <Law12-F45qo4kPlpvzg0001a98d@hotmail.com>

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From delliker at hotmail.com  Thu May  1 14:50:47 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 15:50:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Delete Table from report
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From delliker at hotmail.com  Thu May  1 14:52:33 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 15:52:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Delete Table from report
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From CSPELL at jhuccp.org  Thu May  1 15:02:34 2003
From: CSPELL at jhuccp.org (CYNTHIA SPELL)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 16:02:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Hiding SSN
Message-ID: <seb1452a.080@ccp2.jhuccp.org>

Is there a way that you can COMPLETELY hide an SSN field from users - keep them out of the database window, don't let them see the table, etc?   

Thanks for your help.
Cindy





From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Thu May  1 15:22:56 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 15:22:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Hiding SSN
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F877E8@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Cindy,

With user level security you can hide or restrict any fields from all or
some of the users.  See the Access Security FAQ
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=%2Fsupport%2Faccess%2Fcon
tent%2Fsecfaq%2Easp (watch for line wrap) for details.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: CYNTHIA SPELL [mailto:CSPELL at jhuccp.org] 
Sent: Thursday 2003 May 01 15:03
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Hiding SSN

Is there a way that you can COMPLETELY hide an SSN field from users -
keep them out of the database window, don't let them see the table, etc?


Thanks for your help.
Cindy

From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May  1 16:27:22 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 14:27:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - D35
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311EE6@infoserver01.infostat.local>

You can get explicit shipping instructions from Martin.  They'll tell
you how to box it up, case and all, so it gets to them in one piece ...
assuming it started out that way, that is. <g>  Just don't forget that
if it's an original case, that has value too and increases of the value
of the guitar, so you may NOT want to send it with the guitar.  If find
the whole acoustic instrument market bizarre, but my significant other
if a Martin guitar freak, so I hear all about it from him. 
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
[mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
	Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 11:41 AM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - D35
	
	
	Charlotte:
	 
	Thanks for that.  It's got a hard shell case so it could
probably be shipped that way.  It's not genuinely vintage - maybe 30
y.o. - but I'm attached to it.
	 
	Rocky
	 

		----- Original Message ----- 
		From: Charlotte Foust
<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com>  
		To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
		Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 12:28 PM
		Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - D35

		Rocky,
		 
		I have a friend who has sent guitars back to Martin as
well as to Mandolin Bros in NY.  It's a major undertaking to package,
insure and ship them, but if the guitar is worth it, it helps maintain
the provenance and the value to have Martin do the repairs.  There are
certainly luthiers around who can do the job just as well, but unless
you know their work you have no guarantee of that.  If it's a vintage
instrument, definitely send it to Martin.
		 
		Charlotte Foust

			-----Original Message-----
			From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
[mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
			Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 10:02 AM
			To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
			Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002
			
			
			It's actually a D35 and it needs a bit of work.
Piece of white trim along the fretboard broke off.  Also want the action
adjusted.  I was told I'd have to send it back to Martin for the best
service.  You ever do that?
			 
			Rocky
			 

				----- Original Message ----- 
				From: Don Elliker
<mailto:delliker at hotmail.com>  
				To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
				Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 9:55 AM
				Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002


				Rocky,

				XP supports A2K file format.

				(How's the D28?)
				_D
				




				"Things are only free to the extent that
you don't pay for them." 
				
				>From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access
Software" 
				>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
				>To: 
				>Subject: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002 
				>Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 08:35:32 -0700 
				> 
				>Dear List: 
				> 
				>I'm running A2K. If I make an MDE out
of one of my MDBs and send it to someone running OXP with AXP, will it
run? 
				> 
				>MTIA 
				> 
				>Rocky Smolin 
				>Beach Access Software 
	
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From jim.hale at fleetpride.com  Thu May  1 16:26:35 2003
From: jim.hale at fleetpride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 16:26:35 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Hiding SSN
Message-ID: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF87305D5E19B@corp-es00>

I believe I've seen some simple encryption functions (maybe in SmartAccess?)
that can be used to scramble the numbers. that is one way to do it unless
(gasp!) you are using the SS# as the primary key.
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: CYNTHIA SPELL [mailto:CSPELL at jhuccp.org]
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 3:03 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Hiding SSN


Is there a way that you can COMPLETELY hide an SSN field from users - keep
them out of the database window, don't let them see the table, etc?   

Thanks for your help.
Cindy




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From dmcafee at pacbell.net  Thu May  1 16:39:24 2003
From: dmcafee at pacbell.net (David McAFee (Home))
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 14:39:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Hiding SSN
In-Reply-To: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF87305D5E19B@corp-es00>
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RE: [AccessD] Hiding SSNCynthia, the best way is to not let them in the
tables in the first place. ANything that they need should be entered/viewed
through a form.

What is it that they are doing, or that you don't want them to see. A query
ran against the table could show only the fields that you want to show (make
it a snap shot query if no changes are to be made to the data)

HTH

David McAfee

  -----Original Message-----
  From: CYNTHIA SPELL [mailto:CSPELL at jhuccp.org]
  Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 3:03 PM
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: [AccessD] Hiding SSN



  Is there a way that you can COMPLETELY hide an SSN field from users - keep
them out of the database window, don't let them see the table, etc?

  Thanks for your help.
  Cindy





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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu May  1 17:25:21 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 23:25:21 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour
In-Reply-To: <Law12-F45qo4kPlpvzg0001a98d@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <009701c31030$8d9172a0$b274d0d5@andypc>

1. I can only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow
is not looking good either. 
2. I love deadlines. I especially like the whooshing sound they make as
they go flying by. 
3. Tell me what you need, and I'll tell you how to get along without it.

4. Accept that some days you are the pigeon and some days the statue. 
5. Needing someone is like needing a parachute. If he isn't there the
first time, chances are you won't be needing him again. 
6. I DON'T HAVE AN ATTITUDE PROBLEM, YOU HAVE A PERCEPTION PROBLEM. 
7. Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky, and I
thought to myself, "where the heck is the ceiling?" 
8. My reality check bounced. 
9. On the keyboard of life, always keep one finger on the escape key. 
10. I don't suffer from stress. I am a carrier. 
11. You are slower than a herd of turtles stampeding through peanut
butter. 
12. Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, because you are crunchy and
taste good with ketchup. 
13. Everybody is somebody else's weirdo. 
14. Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level, then
beat you with experience. 
15. A pat on the back is only a few inches from a kick in the butt. 
16. Don't be irreplaceable. If you can't be replaced, you can't be
promoted. 
17. After any salary raise, you will have less money at the end of the
month than you did before. 
18. The more crap you put up with, the more crap you are going to get. 
19. You can go anywhere you want if you look serious and carry a
clipboard. 
20. Eat one live toad the first thing in the morning and nothing worse
will happen to you the rest of the day. 
21. If it wasn't for the last minute, nothing would get done. 
22. When you don't know what to do, walk fast and look worried. 
23. Following the rules will not get the job done. 
24. When confronted by a difficult problem, you can solve it more easily
by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?"

25. Only the mediocre are at their best all the time. 
26. There's a fine line between genius and insanity. I have erased this
line. 
27. Bring ideas in and entertain them royally, for one of them may be
the king. 
28. If at first you don't succeed......skydiving isn't for you. 
29. Life is a waste of time; time is a waste of life, so get wasted all
of the time and have the time of your life. 
30. When everything is coming your way......you're in the wrong lane.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu May  1 17:37:18 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 08:37:18 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] More on Intrusive Outlook Habits
In-Reply-To: <000801c30fef$4475d840$be75fea9@bbb888>
Message-ID: <3EB22E3E.23015.245D16@localhost>

On 2 May 2003 at 0:37, Bruce Bruen wrote:

> Just in case you thought it might be safe to...
> 
> This article brings yet more bad news on M$'s half baked outlook
> security system.  The article addresses what they are doing with
> Outlook 2003:
> 
> http://www.winnetmag.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=38375&pg=1&show=
> 74 1
> 
> So, all in all it looks like the Redemption or 3rd Party OCX's are
> probably the most reasonable approach in terms of delivering
> functionality to the user and some hope of longevity.
> 

The only way to deliver functionality to the user and some hopes of 
longevity is to upgrade to a non MS MAPI compliant mail system :-)









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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu May  1 17:37:18 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 08:37:18 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections One More Simple
	Question
In-Reply-To: <000001c30fe9$e3195270$eac287d9@laptop>
References: <000001c30fd2$26d8ff50$2c66893e@laptop>
Message-ID: <3EB22E3E.16527.245D52@localhost>


In  the example I gave, was  " OpenFile.lpstrFile = String(257, 0)"
That is large enough for a single file, you will need to enlarge it 
for multiple files.

On 1 May 2003 at 14:59, MarkH wrote:

> Hi again...
> 
> I got the dialog working fine, BUT... If I select more than a handful
> of files then nothing gets returned.
> 
> Is there a limit?
> 
> In some cases I may be looking to select 50 or 60 files at a time...
> 
> Thanks again
> 
> Mark
> 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu May  1 21:36:00 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 21:36:00 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Phew....made it....
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D829E6@main2.marlow.com>

Well it's now been a solid week and 13 hours since my DSL went online, and
thus the archives were back up.  That's more then the 4 day, 2 day, and 36
hour periods combined! <grin>

Although, now that the archives are back up, the posting around here has
slowed to a crawl, what's up with that?  Do I need to get into a debate with
JC or what?

A little advanced warning, I am going to try and hack my SpeedStream 5260
DSL modem, to turn it into a SpeedStream 5660 Router this weekend.  Downtime
will be in the seconds, but if it completely flops, then I'll need a new DSL
modem....so it may be down for a day or two..... <grin>

Drew

From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Thu May  1 14:44:14 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 15:44:14 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Delete Table from report
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF403897779@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Just a thought...

In your report's OnClose event could you call an external routine that looks
something like this pseudo code...

Sub DeleteTempTable
Dim sName as String
	On Error Resume Next
	' wait until the report closes
	While Err.Number = 0
		sName = Reports("YourReportName").Name
	Wend
	' then delete your temp table
End Sub

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Swisher, Timothy B. [SMTP:tswisher at gfnet.com]
> Sent:	Thursday, May 01, 2003 3:13 PM
> To:	'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Delete Table from report
> 
> Charles,
> Your missing the point.  The temp table is absolutely needed.  I am
> cycling
> through the .AllForms and .AllReports collection grabbing certain data and
> populating a temp table.  Unless you know of a way to query this info, the
> temp table is absolutely needed.
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 2:57 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Delete Table from report
> 
> 
> Tim,
> 
> You miss the point, don't use a temp table unless absolutely needed.
> Use queries instead to build up the data for the final select query that
> is used at the datasource for the report.
> 
> 
> Charles Wortz 
> Software Development Division 
> Texas Education Agency 
> 1701 N. Congress Ave 
> Austin, TX 78701-1494 
> 512-463-9493 
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Swisher, Timothy B. [mailto:tswisher at GFNET.com] 
> Sent: Thursday 2003 May 01 13:37
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Delete Table from report
> 
> Actually it is a select statement, but that still has an open connection
> to the table, so I can't delete the table.  I also tried to reset the
> recordsource, but after the report opens, I can't change it.  Thanks.
> 
> Tim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 2:28 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Delete Table from report
> 
> 
> Tim,
> 
> Instead of the temp table, why not use a query?  Probably everything you
> did to get the data into the temp table can also be done to create a
> select query to use as the datasource for the report.
> Charles Wortz 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Swisher, Timothy B. [mailto:tswisher at GFNET.com] 
> Sent: Thursday 2003 May 01 13:11
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Delete Table from report
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi group, I have a report that on open builds a temp table, populates
> the table, then displays the info in the report.  I would like to delete
> the table when the report closes, but since the report is bound to the
> table, it will not let me delete the table.  This is a standalone
> report, it is not being called from a form or anything so I can't put
> the code there.  I open the report from the db window, do the
> processing, then I want to delete the table.  A2K by the way.  Any
> ideas?  TIA.
> Tim 
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri May  2 01:38:21 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 07:38:21 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Phew....made it....
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D829E6@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <00a901c31075$6c992620$b274d0d5@andypc>

Boy, do you like a challenge!

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: 02 May 2003 03:36
> To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: [AccessD] Phew....made it....
> 
> 
> Well it's now been a solid week and 13 hours since my DSL 
> went online, and thus the archives were back up.  That's more 
> then the 4 day, 2 day, and 36 hour periods combined! <grin>
> 
> Although, now that the archives are back up, the posting 
> around here has slowed to a crawl, what's up with that?  Do I 
> need to get into a debate with JC or what?
> 
> A little advanced warning, I am going to try and hack my 
> SpeedStream 5260 DSL modem, to turn it into a SpeedStream 
> 5660 Router this weekend.  Downtime will be in the seconds, 
> but if it completely flops, then I'll need a new DSL 
> modem....so it may be down for a day or two..... <grin>
> 
> Drew
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> Website: 
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Fri May  2 01:51:16 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 02:51:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Phew....made it....
References: <00a901c31075$6c992620$b274d0d5@andypc>
Message-ID: <003901c31077$3ac668e0$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

...nah ...natural born masochist :))))

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 2:38 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Phew....made it....


> Boy, do you like a challenge!
> 
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> > Sent: 02 May 2003 03:36
> > To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: [AccessD] Phew....made it....
> > 
> > 
> > Well it's now been a solid week and 13 hours since my DSL 
> > went online, and thus the archives were back up.  That's more 
> > then the 4 day, 2 day, and 36 hour periods combined! <grin>
> > 
> > Although, now that the archives are back up, the posting 
> > around here has slowed to a crawl, what's up with that?  Do I 
> > need to get into a debate with JC or what?
> > 
> > A little advanced warning, I am going to try and hack my 
> > SpeedStream 5260 DSL modem, to turn it into a SpeedStream 
> > 5660 Router this weekend.  Downtime will be in the seconds, 
> > but if it completely flops, then I'll need a new DSL 
> > modem....so it may be down for a day or two..... <grin>
> > 
> > Drew
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> > Website: 
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> 
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From martin.caro at bigpond.com  Fri May  2 02:37:36 2003
From: martin.caro at bigpond.com (Martin Caro)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 17:37:36 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Similar List for Excel
Message-ID: <003c01c3107d$b92df8a0$0100a8c0@mirridong>

Hi Folks

Does anyone have any details of a similar list to AccessD that is operating for Excel?

Martin
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From conny at qad.nu  Fri May  2 02:53:15 2003
From: conny at qad.nu (Conny Johansson)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 09:53:15 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Similar List for Excel
In-Reply-To: <003c01c3107d$b92df8a0$0100a8c0@mirridong>
Message-ID: <200305020753.h427rKD05277@d1o1009.telia.com>

 <http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/excel-l.html>
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/excel-l.html

H?lsningar / Regards 
Conny Johansson 

 


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Sent: den 2 maj 2003 09:38
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com


Hi Folks
 
Does anyone have any details of a similar list to AccessD that is operating
for Excel?
 
Martin


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  2 03:13:13 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 03:13:13 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Phew....made it....
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D829EC@main2.marlow.com>

Probably a little of both.  Ironically, tonight the primary hard drive on my
print server died.  Kinda sucks, because it's the machine that is physically
archiving posts.  Gonna have fun rebuilding it! <grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 1:51 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Phew....made it....


...nah ...natural born masochist :))))

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 2:38 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Phew....made it....


> Boy, do you like a challenge!
> 
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> > Sent: 02 May 2003 03:36
> > To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: [AccessD] Phew....made it....
> > 
> > 
> > Well it's now been a solid week and 13 hours since my DSL 
> > went online, and thus the archives were back up.  That's more 
> > then the 4 day, 2 day, and 36 hour periods combined! <grin>
> > 
> > Although, now that the archives are back up, the posting 
> > around here has slowed to a crawl, what's up with that?  Do I 
> > need to get into a debate with JC or what?
> > 
> > A little advanced warning, I am going to try and hack my 
> > SpeedStream 5260 DSL modem, to turn it into a SpeedStream 
> > 5660 Router this weekend.  Downtime will be in the seconds, 
> > but if it completely flops, then I'll need a new DSL 
> > modem....so it may be down for a day or two..... <grin>
> > 
> > Drew
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> > Website: 
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From ad_tp at hotmail.com  Fri May  2 02:39:24 2003
From: ad_tp at hotmail.com (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 13:09:24 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections One More
	SimpleQuestion
References: <000001c30fd2$26d8ff50$2c66893e@laptop>
	<3EB22E3E.16527.245D52@localhost>
Message-ID: <Law9-OE56Y1SWoBDyse0000aed6@hotmail.com>

Mark,

In Access 2002, you can also try FileDialog Object. The code given below will display a dialog box for File Selection. Based upon user's choice, the variable TargetFile will give Full Path of each Selected File.

-------------
Code Start
-------------
Dim fdg as Object, TargetFile As String
Dim SLF As Variant

Set fdg = Application.FileDialog(3)
' Arguments -   1(FileOpen), 2(FileSaveAs), 3(FilePicker), 4(FolderPicker)

With fdg
    .Title = Space(71) & "Select  Source  Files"
    .AllowMultiSelect = True
    If .Show <> 0 Then
        For Each SLF In .selecteditems
            TargetFile = Trim(SLF)
' Note - Take Suitable Action Here On TargetFile
        Next
    End If       ' Show
End With     ' fdg
-------------
Code End
-------------

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
----------------------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Stuart McLachlan 
  To: MarkH ; accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 04:07
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections One More SimpleQuestion



  In  the example I gave, was  " OpenFile.lpstrFile = String(257, 0)"
  That is large enough for a single file, you will need to enlarge it 
  for multiple files.

  On 1 May 2003 at 14:59, MarkH wrote:

  > Hi again...
  > 
  > I got the dialog working fine, BUT... If I select more than a handful
  > of files then nothing gets returned.
  > 
  > Is there a limit?
  > 
  > In some cases I may be looking to select 50 or 60 files at a time...
  > 
  > Thanks again
  > 
  > Mark

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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Fri May  2 05:06:43 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 06:06:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections One
	MoreSimpleQuestion
References: 	<000001c30fd2$26d8ff50$2c66893e@laptop><3EB22E3E.16527.245D52@localhost>
	<Law9-OE56Y1SWoBDyse0000aed6@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <002d01c31092$8899b430$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

...just keep in mind that the File Dialog Object doesn't work in a runtime
app :(

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "A.D.Tejpal" <ad_tp at hotmail.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 3:39 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections One
MoreSimpleQuestion


Mark,

In Access 2002, you can also try FileDialog Object. The code given below
will display a dialog box for File Selection. Based upon user's choice, the
variable TargetFile will give Full Path of each Selected File.

-------------
Code Start
-------------
Dim fdg as Object, TargetFile As String
Dim SLF As Variant

Set fdg = Application.FileDialog(3)
' Arguments -   1(FileOpen), 2(FileSaveAs), 3(FilePicker), 4(FolderPicker)

With fdg
    .Title = Space(71) & "Select  Source  Files"
    .AllowMultiSelect = True
    If .Show <> 0 Then
        For Each SLF In .selecteditems
            TargetFile = Trim(SLF)
' Note - Take Suitable Action Here On TargetFile
        Next
    End If       ' Show
End With     ' fdg
-------------
Code End
-------------

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
----------------------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Stuart McLachlan
  To: MarkH ; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 04:07
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections One More
SimpleQuestion



  In  the example I gave, was  " OpenFile.lpstrFile = String(257, 0)"
  That is large enough for a single file, you will need to enlarge it
  for multiple files.

  On 1 May 2003 at 14:59, MarkH wrote:

  > Hi again...
  >
  > I got the dialog working fine, BUT... If I select more than a handful
  > of files then nothing gets returned.
  >
  > Is there a limit?
  >
  > In some cases I may be looking to select 50 or 60 files at a time...
  >
  > Thanks again
  >
  > Mark




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From ryan.smethurst at bromley.gov.uk  Fri May  2 05:15:48 2003
From: ryan.smethurst at bromley.gov.uk (Smethurst, Ryan)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 11:15:48 +0100 
Subject: [AccessD] Compact DB
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Hi Group,

Is it possible to compact a db in code when quitting it?

Thanks
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From MarkH at bitgen.co.uk  Fri May  2 05:17:06 2003
From: MarkH at bitgen.co.uk (Mark H)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 11:17:06 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections
	OneMoreSimpleQuestion
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Thanks for that... Hadn't realised. What does???

Cheers

Mark

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Hindman
Sent: 02 May 2003 11:07
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections
OneMoreSimpleQuestion


...just keep in mind that the File Dialog Object doesn't work in a
runtime app :(

William

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To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 3:39 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections One
MoreSimpleQuestion


Mark,

In Access 2002, you can also try FileDialog Object. The code given below
will display a dialog box for File Selection. Based upon user's choice,
the variable TargetFile will give Full Path of each Selected File.

-------------
Code Start
-------------
Dim fdg as Object, TargetFile As String
Dim SLF As Variant

Set fdg = Application.FileDialog(3)
' Arguments -   1(FileOpen), 2(FileSaveAs), 3(FilePicker),
4(FolderPicker)

With fdg
    .Title = Space(71) & "Select  Source  Files"
    .AllowMultiSelect = True
    If .Show <> 0 Then
        For Each SLF In .selecteditems
            TargetFile = Trim(SLF)
' Note - Take Suitable Action Here On TargetFile
        Next
    End If       ' Show
End With     ' fdg
-------------
Code End
-------------

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
----------------------------
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  From: Stuart McLachlan
  To: MarkH ; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 04:07
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections One More
SimpleQuestion



  In  the example I gave, was  " OpenFile.lpstrFile = String(257, 0)"
  That is large enough for a single file, you will need to enlarge it
  for multiple files.

  On 1 May 2003 at 14:59, MarkH wrote:

  > Hi again...
  >
  > I got the dialog working fine, BUT... If I select more than a
handful
  > of files then nothing gets returned.
  >
  > Is there a limit?
  >
  > In some cases I may be looking to select 50 or 60 files at a time...
  >
  > Thanks again
  >
  > Mark




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From MarkH at bitgen.co.uk  Fri May  2 05:17:45 2003
From: MarkH at bitgen.co.uk (Mark H)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 11:17:45 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections One
	MoreSimpleQuestion
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Message-ID: <007701c31094$12b9b330$950d6bd5@netboxxp>

Thanks very much
 
Mark

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Sent: 02 May 2003 08:39
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections One
MoreSimpleQuestion


Mark,
 
In Access 2002, you can also try FileDialog Object. The code given below
will display a dialog box for File Selection. Based upon user's choice,
the variable TargetFile will give Full Path of each Selected File. 
 
-------------
Code Start
-------------
Dim fdg as Object, TargetFile As String
Dim SLF As Variant
 
Set fdg = Application.FileDialog(3)
' Arguments -   1(FileOpen), 2(FileSaveAs), 3(FilePicker),
4(FolderPicker)
 
With fdg
    .Title = Space(71) & "Select  Source  Files"
    .AllowMultiSelect = True
    If .Show <> 0 Then
        For Each SLF In .selecteditems
            TargetFile = Trim(SLF)
' Note - Take Suitable Action Here On TargetFile
        Next
    End If       ' Show
End With     ' fdg
-------------
Code End
-------------
 
Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
----------------------------

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Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 04:07
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections One More
SimpleQuestion


In  the example I gave, was  " OpenFile.lpstrFile = String(257, 0)"
That is large enough for a single file, you will need to enlarge it 
for multiple files.

On 1 May 2003 at 14:59, MarkH wrote:

> Hi again...
> 
> I got the dialog working fine, BUT... If I select more than a handful
> of files then nothing gets returned.
> 
> Is there a limit?
> 
> In some cases I may be looking to select 50 or 60 files at a time...
> 
> Thanks again
> 
> Mark



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From MarkH at bitgen.co.uk  Fri May  2 05:18:35 2003
From: MarkH at bitgen.co.uk (Mark H)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 11:18:35 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections One More
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Thanks Stuart

Mark

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To: MarkH; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections One More
SimpleQuestion



In  the example I gave, was  " OpenFile.lpstrFile = String(257, 0)" That
is large enough for a single file, you will need to enlarge it 
for multiple files.

On 1 May 2003 at 14:59, MarkH wrote:

> Hi again...
> 
> I got the dialog working fine, BUT... If I select more than a handful 
> of files then nothing gets returned.
> 
> Is there a limit?
> 
> In some cases I may be looking to select 50 or 60 files at a time...
> 
> Thanks again
> 
> Mark
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From MarkH at bitgen.co.uk  Fri May  2 05:18:58 2003
From: MarkH at bitgen.co.uk (Mark H)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 11:18:58 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections One More
	SimpleQuestion
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Cheers Bruce

Mark

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Sent: 01 May 2003 15:22
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections One More
SimpleQuestion


The length of your lpstrFile buffer is probably the culprit.  You may
have some trouble trying to get it to return very large lists though.
Hth Bruce

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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections One More
SimpleQuestion


Hi again...

I got the dialog working fine, BUT... If I select more than a handful of
files then nothing gets returned.

Is there a limit?

In some cases I may be looking to select 50 or 60 files at a time...

Thanks again

Mark

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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Fri May  2 05:28:30 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 10:28:30 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Compact DB
Message-ID: <20030502102830.REST18836.fep01-svc.ttys.com@localhost>

Ryan,

Not too sure if the following will work, I have a timer program in VB6 I run every night, and here's some basic code I use to copy the database and then compact it...

    Dim MyDate As String
    MyDate = Left(Date, 2) & "_" & Mid(Date, 4, 2) & "_" & Right(Date, 2)
    FileCopy "Dir:\File Name", "Dir:\Backup File Name" & MyDate & ".mdb"

    DBEngine.CompactDatabase "Dir:\Backup Filename" & MyDate & ".mdb", "Dir:\Compacting Name"
    Kill "Dir:\File Name"
    Name "Dir:\Compacting Name" As "Dir:\File Name"


Firstly the code makes a copy of the database along with the date, then it compacts the backup of the database, then kills the original database and renames the compacted DB to whatever the original name was......I compact the backup just in case anything goes wrong, you always have the original database then......

It's from VB6, but I'm sure all these commands work in Access.....


Paul 




From: "Smethurst, Ryan" <ryan.smethurst at bromley.gov.uk>
Date: Fri 02/May/2003 10:15 GMT
To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Compact DB

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Is it possible to compact a db in code when quitting it?

Thanks
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From selina at easydatabases.com.au  Fri May  2 05:33:31 2003
From: selina at easydatabases.com.au (Selina Iddon)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 20:33:31 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Compact DB
References: <F4FD32CEB33B314B9187B3A6599B3D6E891C81@lbbx2ktemp1.corp.int.bromley.gov.uk>
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Compact DBHi Ryan
I'm not sure if you want to compact a different database, but if you want to compact the actual database you are using, there is an Option under the tools menu to compact on closing.
HTH
Selina

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri May  2 05:56:30 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 03:56:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Phew....made it....
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Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFOEHDCHAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

...and the saga continues

Good luck Drew
Jim

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 1:13 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Phew....made it....


Probably a little of both.  Ironically, tonight the primary hard drive on my
print server died.  Kinda sucks, because it's the machine that is physically
archiving posts.  Gonna have fun rebuilding it! <grin>

Drew

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Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 1:51 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Phew....made it....


...nah ...natural born masochist :))))

William

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Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 2:38 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Phew....made it....


> Boy, do you like a challenge!
>
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> > Sent: 02 May 2003 03:36
> > To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: [AccessD] Phew....made it....
> >
> >
> > Well it's now been a solid week and 13 hours since my DSL
> > went online, and thus the archives were back up.  That's more
> > then the 4 day, 2 day, and 36 hour periods combined! <grin>
> >
> > Although, now that the archives are back up, the posting
> > around here has slowed to a crawl, what's up with that?  Do I
> > need to get into a debate with JC or what?
> >
> > A little advanced warning, I am going to try and hack my
> > SpeedStream 5260 DSL modem, to turn it into a SpeedStream
> > 5660 Router this weekend.  Downtime will be in the seconds,
> > but if it completely flops, then I'll need a new DSL
> > modem....so it may be down for a day or two..... <grin>
> >
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri May  2 06:43:11 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 21:43:11 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections
	OneMoreSimpleQuestion
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The API call. See related posts.

On 2 May 2003 at 11:17, Mark H wrote:

> Thanks for that... Hadn't realised. What does???
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Mark
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> Hindman Sent: 02 May 2003 11:07 To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections
> OneMoreSimpleQuestion
> 
> 
> ...just keep in mind that the File Dialog Object doesn't work in a
> runtime app :(
> 
> William
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "A.D.Tejpal" <ad_tp at hotmail.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 3:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections One
> MoreSimpleQuestion
> 
> 
> Mark,
> 
> In Access 2002, you can also try FileDialog Object. The code given
> below will display a dialog box for File Selection. Based upon user's
> choice, the variable TargetFile will give Full Path of each Selected
> File.
> 
> -------------
> Code Start
> -------------
> Dim fdg as Object, TargetFile As String
> Dim SLF As Variant
> 
> Set fdg = Application.FileDialog(3)
> ' Arguments -   1(FileOpen), 2(FileSaveAs), 3(FilePicker),
> 4(FolderPicker)
> 
> With fdg
>     .Title = Space(71) & "Select  Source  Files"
>     .AllowMultiSelect = True
>     If .Show <> 0 Then
>         For Each SLF In .selecteditems
>             TargetFile = Trim(SLF)
> ' Note - Take Suitable Action Here On TargetFile
>         Next
>     End If       ' Show
> End With     ' fdg
> -------------
> Code End
> -------------
> 
> Regards,
> A.D.Tejpal
> ----------------------------
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Stuart McLachlan
>   To: MarkH ; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>   Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 04:07
>   Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections One
>   More
> SimpleQuestion
> 
> 
> 
>   In  the example I gave, was  " OpenFile.lpstrFile = String(257, 0)"
>   That is large enough for a single file, you will need to enlarge it
>   for multiple files.
> 
>   On 1 May 2003 at 14:59, MarkH wrote:
> 
>   > Hi again...
>   >
>   > I got the dialog working fine, BUT... If I select more than a
> handful
>   > of files then nothing gets returned.
>   >
>   > Is there a limit?
>   >
>   > In some cases I may be looking to select 50 or 60 files at a
>   time... > > Thanks again > > Mark
> 
> 
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From CSPELL at jhuccp.org  Fri May  2 07:05:33 2003
From: CSPELL at jhuccp.org (CYNTHIA SPELL)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 08:05:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Hiding SSN
Message-ID: <seb226d9.064@ccp2.jhuccp.org>

Thanks to those who responded to me...

Charles, I couldn't get into the website on Access security.  I guess what I need to know is - will that type of security prevent users from seeing the tables (using the shift key, F11?)  

Jim, I inherited the database and yes it's (gasp!) the primary key, so encryption won't work.  I'm thinking about biting the bullet and changing the PK to an autonumber.  Any thoughts on that?

David, I'm not letting users into the tables, only forms.  And hidden tables don't really seem to be hidden. 

Thanks again.

Cindy


>>> jim.hale at fleetpride.com 05/01/03 05:26PM >>>
I believe I've seen some simple encryption functions (maybe in SmartAccess?)
that can be used to scramble the numbers. that is one way to do it unless
(gasp!) you are using the SS# as the primary key.
Jim Hale

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To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] Hiding SSN


Is there a way that you can COMPLETELY hide an SSN field from users - keep
them out of the database window, don't let them see the table, etc?   

Thanks for your help.
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From jscott at mchsi.com  Fri May  2 07:29:55 2003
From: jscott at mchsi.com (Jeanine)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 07:29:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Close current database
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Message-ID: <DPEMLPOPFDGDKNELEIKACEJJDBAA.jscott@mchsi.com>

I am running into some problems with something and I think I may just be
making it too hard. I want to open one database from another - close the
first and run some code in the second. Then close the second and open the
first again.

I have messed around with the open and close currentdb methods but they only
seem to be for the purpose of automation.

My objective is to check the current version when my users open their
application. If the version is not current the routine will close the
application and open a separate db that does the copy routine. Then the copy
db will close itself and re-open the application. My theory is this will
give the users a pretty seamless version control system.

I just can't get the darn thing to close itself and open another db.

Thanks!


From PBudge at cbsol.com  Fri May  2 07:45:14 2003
From: PBudge at cbsol.com (PBudge at cbsol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 07:45:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Phew....made it....
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Oddly, I'm betting his mother's hair was completely white by the time he
was 2. . . ;-)))))))))))))))

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...nah ...natural born masochist :))))

William

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 2:38 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Phew....made it....


> Boy, do you like a challenge!
>
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> > Sent: 02 May 2003 03:36
> > To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: [AccessD] Phew....made it....
> >
> >
> > Well it's now been a solid week and 13 hours since my DSL
> > went online, and thus the archives were back up.  That's more
> > then the 4 day, 2 day, and 36 hour periods combined! <grin>
> >
> > Although, now that the archives are back up, the posting
> > around here has slowed to a crawl, what's up with that?  Do I
> > need to get into a debate with JC or what?
> >
> > A little advanced warning, I am going to try and hack my
> > SpeedStream 5260 DSL modem, to turn it into a SpeedStream
> > 5660 Router this weekend.  Downtime will be in the seconds,
> > but if it completely flops, then I'll need a new DSL
> > modem....so it may be down for a day or two..... <grin>
> >
> > Drew
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri May  2 08:08:08 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 23:08:08 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Close current database
In-Reply-To: <DPEMLPOPFDGDKNELEIKACEJJDBAA.jscott@mchsi.com>
References: <3EB22E3E.16527.245D52@localhost>
Message-ID: <3EB2FA58.3319.341A669@localhost>

On 2 May 2003 at 7:29, Jeanine wrote:

> 
> I just can't get the darn thing to close itself and open another db.
> 

One way, of the top of my head would be:

Public Declare Function ShellExecute Lib "shell32.dll" Alias _
"ShellExecuteA" (ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal lpOperation As String, _
ByVal lpFile As String, ByVal lpParameters As String, ByVal _
lpDirectory As String, ByVal nShowCmd As Long) As Long _

Sub OpenTheOtherOne()
	ShellExecute(0,"Open","C:\Full\Path\To\YourSecondApp.mdb"","","",1)
	DoCmd.Quit
End Sub


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Support.




From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Fri May  2 08:17:08 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 09:17:08 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Similar List for Excel
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF40389777D@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Sure, head on over to

http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/index.html

and you'll find a couple of Excel user lists.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Martin Caro [SMTP:martin.caro at bigpond.com]
> Sent:	Friday, May 02, 2003 3:38 AM
> To:	accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject:	[AccessD] Similar List for Excel
> 
> Hi Folks
>  
> Does anyone have any details of a similar list to AccessD that is
> operating for Excel?
>  
> Martin << File: ATT4764799.txt >> 

From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May  2 08:56:28 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 09:56:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] test
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEAPDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>



John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May  2 08:56:55 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 09:56:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEBADKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Well, today my NTLDR wouldn't!  Or wasn't, depending on who you talked to!

I never did get it back, but after 4 hours of trying I had succeeded in
getting a floppy to boot (I had a weird boot config as well) and then
succeeded in getting Office apps to run windows setup every time they
loaded, trashed IE and so forth and so on.

So... I went down, bought a new 120mb hard disk, and started over.  I did
this of course so that I didn't overwrite anything (else) in the process of
getting windows working again.  Installed Win2kSP.  Of course no network,
video, sound and most critically drivers for the Promise100 IDE 3/4 where my
old disks now reside.  More hours searching for CDs and floppies for those
things, searching the internet (on my other computer - thank GOD for "the
other computer").

Of course I then spent several hours applying service packs, reloading O2K
(only, so far), Norton utilities, NAV, and am still in the process of
re-installing everything I can think of that I used to have.  The weird
thing is that I have my outlook.pst, but that apparently doesn't have the
personalized settings in it for things like rules, signature, etc.

Anyway, still loading stuff!

WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT
A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A
PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!

My question to you kind folks, where the (*&%)%$#!@ are rules / sig and the
like kept for Outlook?

It seems like you would just copy the entire jcolby user and be back with
all that kind of stuff.  The problem of course is that there is stuff in
there for programs that don't exist (at least in the same place) etc.

Sigh!

John W. Colby



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May  2 08:57:21 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 09:57:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Humor
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEBADKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Dr. Seuss Explains Computer Crashes

Many of you have wondered why a computer crashes.  It is usually very
technical but maybe this will help. (Read this aloud - it's GREAT!)

If a packet hits a pocket on a socket on a port,
and the bus is interrupted at a very last resort, and the access
of the memory makes your floppy disk abort,
then the socket packet pocket has an error to report.

If your cursor finds a menu item followed by a dash
and the double-clicking icon puts your window in the trash,
and your data is corrupted cause the index doesn't hash,
then your situation's hopeless and your system's gonna crash!

If the label on the cable on the table at your house
says the network is connected to the button on your mouse,
but your packets want to tunnel to another protocol,
that's repeatedly rejected by the printer down the hall,

and your screen is all distorted by the side effects of gauss,
so your icons in the window are as wavy as a souse;
then you may as well reboot and go out with a bang,
'cuz sure as I'm a poet, the sucker's gonna hang!

When the copy of your floppy's getting sloppy in the disk,
and the macro code instructions cause unnecessary risk,
then you'll have to flash the memory and you'll want to RAM your ROM....
then quickly turn off the computer and be sure to tell your Mom !!

WELL! That certainly clears things up for ME !!

HOW about YOU??

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com



From jscott at mchsi.com  Fri May  2 09:08:26 2003
From: jscott at mchsi.com (jscott at mchsi.com)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 14:08:26 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Close current database
Message-ID: <200305021408.h42E8Sg29950@databaseadvisors.com>

This works perfectly! Thank you so much! I would have never stumbled across 
that myself. :)

--

Jeanine 
> On 2 May 2003 at 7:29, Jeanine wrote:
> 
> > 
> > I just can't get the darn thing to close itself and open another db.
> > 
> 
> One way, of the top of my head would be:
> 
> Public Declare Function ShellExecute Lib "shell32.dll" Alias _
> "ShellExecuteA" (ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal lpOperation As String, _
> ByVal lpFile As String, ByVal lpParameters As String, ByVal _
> lpDirectory As String, ByVal nShowCmd As Long) As Long _
> 
> Sub OpenTheOtherOne()
> 	ShellExecute(0,"Open","C:\Full\Path\To\YourSecondApp.mdb"","","",1)
> 	DoCmd.Quit
> End Sub
> 
> 
> -- 
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> http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
> Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
> Support.
> 
> 
> 
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From mitsules_ms at nns.com  Fri May  2 09:08:05 2003
From: mitsules_ms at nns.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 10:08:05 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E293AA@nnse14.nns.com>

John,

On my Win2K/Outlook2K2 box they are located here.
C:\Documents and Settings\[USER NAME]\Application Data\Microsoft\Signatures

HTH,

Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 9:57 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


Well, today my NTLDR wouldn't!  Or wasn't, depending on who you talked to!

I never did get it back, but after 4 hours of trying I had succeeded in
getting a floppy to boot (I had a weird boot config as well) and then
succeeded in getting Office apps to run windows setup every time they
loaded, trashed IE and so forth and so on.

So... I went down, bought a new 120mb hard disk, and started over.  I did
this of course so that I didn't overwrite anything (else) in the process of
getting windows working again.  Installed Win2kSP.  Of course no network,
video, sound and most critically drivers for the Promise100 IDE 3/4 where my
old disks now reside.  More hours searching for CDs and floppies for those
things, searching the internet (on my other computer - thank GOD for "the
other computer").

Of course I then spent several hours applying service packs, reloading O2K
(only, so far), Norton utilities, NAV, and am still in the process of
re-installing everything I can think of that I used to have.  The weird
thing is that I have my outlook.pst, but that apparently doesn't have the
personalized settings in it for things like rules, signature, etc.

Anyway, still loading stuff!

WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT
A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A
PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!

My question to you kind folks, where the (*&%)%$#!@ are rules / sig and the
like kept for Outlook?

It seems like you would just copy the entire jcolby user and be back with
all that kind of stuff.  The problem of course is that there is stuff in
there for programs that don't exist (at least in the same place) etc.

Sigh!

John W. Colby


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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri May  2 09:15:15 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 07:15:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEBADKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <008801c310b5$40a84380$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

John:

Don't know if this will help but:

http://www.abfsoftware.com/

Check the Outlook Backup utility.  Should allow you to backup the Outlook
stuff from your backup computer and reload it on the new one.  Maybe.

BTW, what's a NTLDR?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 6:56 AM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


> Well, today my NTLDR wouldn't!  Or wasn't, depending on who you talked to!
>
> I never did get it back, but after 4 hours of trying I had succeeded in
> getting a floppy to boot (I had a weird boot config as well) and then
> succeeded in getting Office apps to run windows setup every time they
> loaded, trashed IE and so forth and so on.
>
> So... I went down, bought a new 120mb hard disk, and started over.  I did
> this of course so that I didn't overwrite anything (else) in the process
of
> getting windows working again.  Installed Win2kSP.  Of course no network,
> video, sound and most critically drivers for the Promise100 IDE 3/4 where
my
> old disks now reside.  More hours searching for CDs and floppies for those
> things, searching the internet (on my other computer - thank GOD for "the
> other computer").
>
> Of course I then spent several hours applying service packs, reloading O2K
> (only, so far), Norton utilities, NAV, and am still in the process of
> re-installing everything I can think of that I used to have.  The weird
> thing is that I have my outlook.pst, but that apparently doesn't have the
> personalized settings in it for things like rules, signature, etc.
>
> Anyway, still loading stuff!
>
> WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A
PITA!WHAT
> A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A
> PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!
>
> My question to you kind folks, where the (*&%)%$#!@ are rules / sig and
the
> like kept for Outlook?
>
> It seems like you would just copy the entire jcolby user and be back with
> all that kind of stuff.  The problem of course is that there is stuff in
> there for programs that don't exist (at least in the same place) etc.
>
> Sigh!
>
> John W. Colby
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri May  2 09:15:56 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 07:15:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEBADKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <008c01c310b5$59671a40$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Here's a more direct link:

http://www.abf-soft.com/outlook-backup.shtml

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 6:56 AM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


> Well, today my NTLDR wouldn't!  Or wasn't, depending on who you talked to!
>
> I never did get it back, but after 4 hours of trying I had succeeded in
> getting a floppy to boot (I had a weird boot config as well) and then
> succeeded in getting Office apps to run windows setup every time they
> loaded, trashed IE and so forth and so on.
>
> So... I went down, bought a new 120mb hard disk, and started over.  I did
> this of course so that I didn't overwrite anything (else) in the process
of
> getting windows working again.  Installed Win2kSP.  Of course no network,
> video, sound and most critically drivers for the Promise100 IDE 3/4 where
my
> old disks now reside.  More hours searching for CDs and floppies for those
> things, searching the internet (on my other computer - thank GOD for "the
> other computer").
>
> Of course I then spent several hours applying service packs, reloading O2K
> (only, so far), Norton utilities, NAV, and am still in the process of
> re-installing everything I can think of that I used to have.  The weird
> thing is that I have my outlook.pst, but that apparently doesn't have the
> personalized settings in it for things like rules, signature, etc.
>
> Anyway, still loading stuff!
>
> WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A
PITA!WHAT
> A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A
> PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!
>
> My question to you kind folks, where the (*&%)%$#!@ are rules / sig and
the
> like kept for Outlook?
>
> It seems like you would just copy the entire jcolby user and be back with
> all that kind of stuff.  The problem of course is that there is stuff in
> there for programs that don't exist (at least in the same place) etc.
>
> Sigh!
>
> John W. Colby
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From tewksbum at hotmail.com  Fri May  2 09:16:00 2003
From: tewksbum at hotmail.com (Marcus Tewksbury)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 09:16:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!
Message-ID: <Law9-F444UBkqvooZtG00023ccc@hotmail.com>

Can Anyone Help Me?

I have built a client server application using .adp front end and SQL
Server back end.  Within the application itself I use unbound forms and
retrieve records using ADO recordsets at run time.  The way I have
initially deployed the application is to copy an instance of the .adp to
each desktop and run it locally.  The problem has been that people keep
overwriting each other's updates - and changes are not reflected fast
enough.

I have a couple of different thoughts on how to tackle this - either
ratchet down the ODBC refresh rate, or run a single, centralized copy of
the .adp (which throws up some non-updateable warning every time it
starts which I don't know how to suppress).  Of course, I acknowledge
that I am a total newbie, and both of these options may be flawed.

Thanks a bunch,

- Sherri





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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Fri May  2 09:17:05 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 09:17:05 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Humor
Message-ID: <BAY2-F72nvUFcxT5nwZ0000c3f9@hotmail.com>

So THAT's what happend to your system?

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] OT: Humor
>Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 09:57:21 -0400
>
>Dr. Seuss Explains Computer Crashes
>
>Many of you have wondered why a computer crashes.  It is usually very
>technical but maybe this will help. (Read this aloud - it's GREAT!)
>
>If a packet hits a pocket on a socket on a port,
>and the bus is interrupted at a very last resort, and the access
>of the memory makes your floppy disk abort,
>then the socket packet pocket has an error to report.
>
>If your cursor finds a menu item followed by a dash
>and the double-clicking icon puts your window in the trash,
>and your data is corrupted cause the index doesn't hash,
>then your situation's hopeless and your system's gonna crash!
>
>If the label on the cable on the table at your house
>says the network is connected to the button on your mouse,
>but your packets want to tunnel to another protocol,
>that's repeatedly rejected by the printer down the hall,
>
>and your screen is all distorted by the side effects of gauss,
>so your icons in the window are as wavy as a souse;
>then you may as well reboot and go out with a bang,
>'cuz sure as I'm a poet, the sucker's gonna hang!
>
>When the copy of your floppy's getting sloppy in the disk,
>and the macro code instructions cause unnecessary risk,
>then you'll have to flash the memory and you'll want to RAM your ROM....
>then quickly turn off the computer and be sure to tell your Mom !!
>
>WELL! That certainly clears things up for ME !!
>
>HOW about YOU??
>
>John W. Colby
>Colby Consulting
>www.ColbyConsulting.com


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From bbruen at bigpond.com  Fri May  2 09:17:25 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 00:17:25 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEBADKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <002301c310b5$8f3b2990$be75fea9@bbb888>

John,

I saw something about this yesterday while searching the KB for "outlook
rules"... But have forgotten the exact details except that the eules are
in .rc? or .rh? Files. These are somewhere in your profile directories
(eg C:\Docuver ments and Settings\Bruce\Application
Data\Microsoft\Outlook)

Sig files are whatever and wherever you saved 'em as... Mine are .txt
files and are in verious pLAces.

Hth
Bruce

P.e. typing in the dark to learn to touech trype at the are of 50 is nit
easy.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 11:57 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


<.exec bp250/120snip>

My question to you kind folks, where the (*&%)%$#!@ are rules / sig and
the like kept for Outlook?

It seems like you would just copy the entire jcolby user and be back
with all that kind of stuff.  Th problem of course is that there is
stuff in there for programs that don't exist (at least in the same
place) etc.

Sigh!

John W. Colby


_______________________________________________
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http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com  Fri May  2 09:31:14 2003
From: Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com (Lavsa, Rich)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 10:31:14 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@
Message-ID: <833956F5C117124A89417638FDB11290EBCE47@goexchange.pghcorning.com>

if you can get to your outlook.  Click on Organize, click on the Rules
Wizard, then from the dialog box shown you can import/export your rules.  

If you cannot get to your outlook.... check link for information on outlook
file locations and extensions... hope its helpfull

http://www.all-windows.com/backup.html



-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 9:57 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


Well, today my NTLDR wouldn't!  Or wasn't, depending on who you talked to!

I never did get it back, but after 4 hours of trying I had succeeded in
getting a floppy to boot (I had a weird boot config as well) and then
succeeded in getting Office apps to run windows setup every time they
loaded, trashed IE and so forth and so on.

So... I went down, bought a new 120mb hard disk, and started over.  I did
this of course so that I didn't overwrite anything (else) in the process of
getting windows working again.  Installed Win2kSP.  Of course no network,
video, sound and most critically drivers for the Promise100 IDE 3/4 where my
old disks now reside.  More hours searching for CDs and floppies for those
things, searching the internet (on my other computer - thank GOD for "the
other computer").

Of course I then spent several hours applying service packs, reloading O2K
(only, so far), Norton utilities, NAV, and am still in the process of
re-installing everything I can think of that I used to have.  The weird
thing is that I have my outlook.pst, but that apparently doesn't have the
personalized settings in it for things like rules, signature, etc.

Anyway, still loading stuff!

WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT
A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A
PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!

My question to you kind folks, where the (*&%)%$#!@ are rules / sig and the
like kept for Outlook?

It seems like you would just copy the entire jcolby user and be back with
all that kind of stuff.  The problem of course is that there is stuff in
there for programs that don't exist (at least in the same place) etc.

Sigh!

John W. Colby


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From papparuff at attbi.com  Fri May  2 09:34:08 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 07:34:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEBADKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <007201c310b7$e588e740$6401a8c0@papparuff>

Your .pst file and Rules file are located in the same directory
C:\Documents and Settings\UserName\Application Data\Microsoft\Outlook

The Email file is called outlook.pst
The Rules file is called Microsoft Outlook Internet Settings.RWZ

You can copy the .pst from your good computer to the new one and all your
emails will be there.

Copying the Rules is a bit different in that you must IMPORT your rules.
>From the top line menu select Tools > Rules Wizard.  Select the Options
button in the lower right corner of the dialog form the pops up.  An Options
dialog form will be displayed.  Press the Import Rules and you will be able
to select the old .rwz file to import.  Once you have imported the rules,
you are going to have to recheck them all...you'll see what I mean.



John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
Always Looking For Contract Opportunities

Home: 253.588.2139
Cell: 253.307/2947
9306 Farwest Dr SW
Lakewood, WA 98498

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                and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 6:57 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


Well, today my NTLDR wouldn't!  Or wasn't, depending on who you talked to!

I never did get it back, but after 4 hours of trying I had succeeded in
getting a floppy to boot (I had a weird boot config as well) and then
succeeded in getting Office apps to run windows setup every time they
loaded, trashed IE and so forth and so on.

So... I went down, bought a new 120mb hard disk, and started over.  I did
this of course so that I didn't overwrite anything (else) in the process of
getting windows working again.  Installed Win2kSP.  Of course no network,
video, sound and most critically drivers for the Promise100 IDE 3/4 where my
old disks now reside.  More hours searching for CDs and floppies for those
things, searching the internet (on my other computer - thank GOD for "the
other computer").

Of course I then spent several hours applying service packs, reloading O2K
(only, so far), Norton utilities, NAV, and am still in the process of
re-installing everything I can think of that I used to have.  The weird
thing is that I have my outlook.pst, but that apparently doesn't have the
personalized settings in it for things like rules, signature, etc.

Anyway, still loading stuff!

WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT
A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A
PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!

My question to you kind folks, where the (*&%)%$#!@ are rules / sig and the
like kept for Outlook?

It seems like you would just copy the entire jcolby user and be back with
all that kind of stuff.  The problem of course is that there is stuff in
there for programs that don't exist (at least in the same place) etc.

Sigh!

John W. Colby


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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Fri May  2 09:37:54 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 09:37:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Hiding SSN
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357A7@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Cindy,

Using user level security you can set the permissions for each object so
only those belonging to the proper groups can read/write/create/delete
certain objects.  The Access Security FAQ was up as of a minute before I
hit the Send button.
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=%2Fsupport%2Faccess%2Fcon
tent%2Fsecfaq%2Easp (watch for line wrap)

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: CYNTHIA SPELL [mailto:CSPELL at jhuccp.org] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 02 07:06
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Hiding SSN

Thanks to those who responded to me...

Charles, I couldn't get into the website on Access security.  I guess
what I need to know is - will that type of security prevent users from
seeing the tables (using the shift key, F11?)  

Jim, I inherited the database and yes it's (gasp!) the primary key, so
encryption won't work.  I'm thinking about biting the bullet and
changing the PK to an autonumber.  Any thoughts on that?

David, I'm not letting users into the tables, only forms.  And hidden
tables don't really seem to be hidden. 

Thanks again.

Cindy

From mitsules_ms at nns.com  Fri May  2 09:46:01 2003
From: mitsules_ms at nns.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 10:46:01 -0400 
Subject: OT: Re:  Bruce Bruen's email Client   Was: RE: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&
	^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E293AC@nnse14.nns.com>

Bruce,

...just curious, no flames intended, honestly, but what email client are you
using, what format are you sending your emails, and what, if anything else
are you attaching when you post to AccessD?  The reason I ask is because
with my Win2K/Outlook2K2 setup, the emails I receive from you are 3 levels
deep.  The first consists of the AccessD footer and 1 attachment ("Untitled
Attachment") with no "body".  When I open the "Untitled Attachment", there
is another blank email consisting of 2 more attachments ("ATT2303090.txt"
and "smime.p7s").  If I open the "smime.p7s" attachment, it appears to be a
certificate...(which I have no problem with).  The actual content of your
email is in the "ATT2303090.txt" attachment...whoohoo!

My question is this, is there some setting on MY machine that I can set so
it will just interpret all of this mess as just a plain textual email
response?


Thanks to all for any suggestions,


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Bruen [mailto:bbruen at bigpond.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 10:17 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Fri May  2 09:50:22 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 09:50:22 -0500
Subject: Record Locking - was RE: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F877EA@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Marcus,

If more than one person is trying to update the same record at the same
time, it sounds as if you have poor business procedures in place.  In an
organized organization two or more people do not to try to update the
same record at the same time!

Now that we have disposed of the business problems which you are
probably not in a position to solve, let us tackle your technical
problems.  With unbound recordsets you do not have exclusive access to
the records and you cannot lock the data until the user makes their
changes.  If you need to allow users to hit against the same data, then
you need to bind and lock the data until the first user is done.  If you
stick with unbound recordsets, then limit the recordset to only one
record.  That limits the possibility that somebody else is trying to
update the same record.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Marcus Tewksbury [mailto:tewksbum at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 02 09:16
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!

Can Anyone Help Me?

I have built a client server application using .adp front end and SQL
Server back end.  Within the application itself I use unbound forms and
retrieve records using ADO recordsets at run time.  The way I have
initially deployed the application is to copy an instance of the .adp to
each desktop and run it locally.  The problem has been that people keep
overwriting each other's updates - and changes are not reflected fast
enough.

I have a couple of different thoughts on how to tackle this - either
ratchet down the ODBC refresh rate, or run a single, centralized copy of
the .adp (which throws up some non-updateable warning every time it
starts which I don't know how to suppress).  Of course, I acknowledge
that I am a total newbie, and both of these options may be flawed.

Thanks a bunch,

- Sherri

From john at winhaven.net  Fri May  2 09:54:46 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 09:54:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEBADKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJAELNEEAA.john@winhaven.net>

John,
Outlook, unfortunately, has stuff scattered all over the place.

Sigs are in your %USERPROFILE% environmental variable is set to (on NT serie
OSs) or under the Windows\Appdata\ tree in W95 OSs.

You can, thankfully but "PITAfully" save most of the settings to text file
by exporting them. Once you've gone through all the bull you're going to go
through restoring this crud. you might want to export all these settings to
a safe place (like a network drive that is backed up). Rules can be exported
and you'll have an .rwz file. Sigs can be saved as text and accounts can be
saved as .iaf files.

Good luck!

JB


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 8:57 AM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@
>
>
> Well, today my NTLDR wouldn't!  Or wasn't, depending on who you talked to!
>
> I never did get it back, but after 4 hours of trying I had succeeded in
> getting a floppy to boot (I had a weird boot config as well) and then
> succeeded in getting Office apps to run windows setup every time they
> loaded, trashed IE and so forth and so on.
>
> So... I went down, bought a new 120mb hard disk, and started over.  I did
> this of course so that I didn't overwrite anything (else) in the
> process of
> getting windows working again.  Installed Win2kSP.  Of course no network,
> video, sound and most critically drivers for the Promise100 IDE
> 3/4 where my
> old disks now reside.  More hours searching for CDs and floppies for those
> things, searching the internet (on my other computer - thank GOD for "the
> other computer").
>
> Of course I then spent several hours applying service packs, reloading O2K
> (only, so far), Norton utilities, NAV, and am still in the process of
> re-installing everything I can think of that I used to have.  The weird
> thing is that I have my outlook.pst, but that apparently doesn't have the
> personalized settings in it for things like rules, signature, etc.
>
> Anyway, still loading stuff!
>
> WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT
> A PITA!WHAT
> A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A
> PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!
>
> My question to you kind folks, where the (*&%)%$#!@ are rules /
> sig and the
> like kept for Outlook?
>
> It seems like you would just copy the entire jcolby user and be back with
> all that kind of stuff.  The problem of course is that there is stuff in
> there for programs that don't exist (at least in the same place) etc.
>
> Sigh!
>
> John W. Colby
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>



From john at winhaven.net  Fri May  2 10:04:07 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 10:04:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Compact DB
In-Reply-To: <F4FD32CEB33B314B9187B3A6599B3D6E891C81@lbbx2ktemp1.corp.int.bromley.gov.uk>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJIELNEEAA.john@winhaven.net>

Compact DBIt depends. A2k and > has it on the Tools menu. For A97 use this:

Public Sub SelfCompact()
      ' Comments   : A massive work around to the lack of compact on close
in A97.
      '              Builds a temporary Command Bar and then closes and
reopens the DB.
      '              Code credit to Jim Dettman. Online Computer Services of
WNY, Inc. jimdettman at earthlink.net
      ' Parameters :  -
      ' Returns    :  -

      On Error GoTo PROC_ERR

      With CommandBars.Add(, 1, , True)
         .Controls.Add 1, 2071, , , True
         .Visible = True
         .Controls(1).SetFocus
         DoEvents
         SendKeys "~"
      End With
      Exit Sub

PROC_ERR:
      MsgBox "The following error occurred: " & Error$
      Resume Next
End Sub

HTH
JB

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Smethurst, Ryan
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:16 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Compact DB


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From harkins at iglou.com  Fri May  2 10:02:55 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 11:02:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!
References: <Law9-F444UBkqvooZtG00023ccc@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <005b01c310bc$30700690$e5ecffcc@SusanOne>

> I have built a client server application using .adp front end and SQL
> Server back end.  Within the application itself I use unbound forms and
> retrieve records using ADO recordsets at run time.  The way I have
> initially deployed the application is to copy an instance of the .adp to
> each desktop and run it locally.  The problem has been that people keep
> overwriting each other's updates - and changes are not reflected fast
> enough.

===========I'm not sure what you mean -- must they update in some particular
order?

> I have a couple of different thoughts on how to tackle this - either
> ratchet down the ODBC refresh rate, or run a single, centralized copy of
> the .adp (which throws up some non-updateable warning every time it
> starts which I don't know how to suppress).  Of course, I acknowledge
> that I am a total newbie, and both of these options may be flawed.

===========How are you currently updating? I'm assuming you're using the
UpdateBatch method -- is it a manual process where the user determines when
to update?

Susan H.


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May  2 10:14:33 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 08:14:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Close current database
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311EEE@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Take a look at the OpenCurrentDatabase method.  Both databases stay open
but you switch to the new one.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeanine [mailto:jscott at mchsi.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 4:30 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Close current database


I am running into some problems with something and I think I may just be
making it too hard. I want to open one database from another - close the
first and run some code in the second. Then close the second and open
the first again.

I have messed around with the open and close currentdb methods but they
only seem to be for the purpose of automation.

My objective is to check the current version when my users open their
application. If the version is not current the routine will close the
application and open a separate db that does the copy routine. Then the
copy db will close itself and re-open the application. My theory is this
will give the users a pretty seamless version control system.

I just can't get the darn thing to close itself and open another db.

Thanks!

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From bob at renaissancesiding.com  Fri May  2 10:33:22 2003
From: bob at renaissancesiding.com (Bob Gajewski)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 11:33:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Compact on close 
Message-ID: <01C3109E.A3BBB1D0.bob@renaissancesiding.com>

If I remember correctly, the very original question was how to effect the 
compact on close through code. Check out the following link for one 
suggestion:

http://www.tek-tips.com/gfaqs.cfm/lev2/4/lev3/27/pid/705/fid/1955

Regards,
Bob Gajewski



From bob at renaissancesiding.com  Fri May  2 10:44:50 2003
From: bob at renaissancesiding.com (Bob Gajewski)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 11:44:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Compact on close 
Message-ID: <01C310A0.3DF3DE70.bob@renaissancesiding.com>

And from a more well-known source, at least on this list:

http://www.mvps.org/access/general/gen0013.htm

Regards,
Bob Gajewski

On Friday, May 02, 2003 11:33 AM, Bob Gajewski [SMTP:bob at renaissancesiding.com] wrote:
> If I remember correctly, the very original question was how to effect the 
> compact on close through code. Check out the following link for one 
> suggestion:
> 
> http://www.tek-tips.com/gfaqs.cfm/lev2/4/lev3/27/pid/705/fid/1955
> 
> Regards,
> Bob Gajewski
> 
> 
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
> 


From mtucker at myrealbox.com  Fri May  2 10:46:48 2003
From: mtucker at myrealbox.com (Michael Tucker)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 11:46:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] 
	Function for "scrubbing" strings before inserting them into SQL
	statements?
Message-ID: <200305021546.h42Fkcg16876@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi everyone,

I'm sure everybody has faced this situation, but I can't seem to figure out
an elegant solution.  I have a webpage interface to an Access database where
users can enter notes on various things.  Of course the user may enter
apostrophes or quotation marks in these notes, but of course that sends my
SQL statement into a tizzy.  A sample of my SQL statement...

strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblEmployeeMonthlyTask ([TaskDescription]) VALUES "
strSQL = strSQL & "('" & Request.Form("txtTaskDescription") & "')"

Is there a function that will convert my string so that it usable inside of
this SQL statement even if it contains apostrophes and quotes?

Thank you.


From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  2 10:49:58 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 10:49:58 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Phew....made it....
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D829ED@main2.marlow.com>

Ya, but I'll take a bad hard drive over a bankrupt ISP, moving, or an
apartment fire ANY DAY! <grin>

Also, this didn't take the archives down, it just stopped the service that
pulls the posts into the archive database.  So it will be 'behind' for a day
or two, not a big deal.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:57 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Phew....made it....


...and the saga continues

Good luck Drew
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 1:13 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Phew....made it....


Probably a little of both.  Ironically, tonight the primary hard drive on my
print server died.  Kinda sucks, because it's the machine that is physically
archiving posts.  Gonna have fun rebuilding it! <grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 1:51 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Phew....made it....


...nah ...natural born masochist :))))

William

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 2:38 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Phew....made it....


> Boy, do you like a challenge!
>
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> > Sent: 02 May 2003 03:36
> > To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: [AccessD] Phew....made it....
> >
> >
> > Well it's now been a solid week and 13 hours since my DSL
> > went online, and thus the archives were back up.  That's more
> > then the 4 day, 2 day, and 36 hour periods combined! <grin>
> >
> > Although, now that the archives are back up, the posting
> > around here has slowed to a crawl, what's up with that?  Do I
> > need to get into a debate with JC or what?
> >
> > A little advanced warning, I am going to try and hack my
> > SpeedStream 5260 DSL modem, to turn it into a SpeedStream
> > 5660 Router this weekend.  Downtime will be in the seconds,
> > but if it completely flops, then I'll need a new DSL
> > modem....so it may be down for a day or two..... <grin>
> >
> > Drew
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> > Website:
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
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From CSPELL at jhuccp.org  Fri May  2 10:50:31 2003
From: CSPELL at jhuccp.org (CYNTHIA SPELL)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 11:50:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Hiding SSN
Message-ID: <seb25b95.023@ccp2.jhuccp.org>

I've got it now.  Thanks, Charles.

>>> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 05/02/03 10:37AM >>>
Cindy,

Using user level security you can set the permissions for each object so
only those belonging to the proper groups can read/write/create/delete
certain objects.  The Access Security FAQ was up as of a minute before I
hit the Send button.
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=%2Fsupport%2Faccess%2Fcon 
tent%2Fsecfaq%2Easp (watch for line wrap)

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
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-----Original Message-----
From: CYNTHIA SPELL [mailto:CSPELL at jhuccp.org] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 02 07:06
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Hiding SSN

Thanks to those who responded to me...

Charles, I couldn't get into the website on Access security.  I guess
what I need to know is - will that type of security prevent users from
seeing the tables (using the shift key, F11?)  

Jim, I inherited the database and yes it's (gasp!) the primary key, so
encryption won't work.  I'm thinking about biting the bullet and
changing the PK to an autonumber.  Any thoughts on that?

David, I'm not letting users into the tables, only forms.  And hidden
tables don't really seem to be hidden. 

Thanks again.

Cindy
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  2 10:52:22 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 10:52:22 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Phew....made it....
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D829EE@main2.marlow.com>

Very funny.  Actually, while I was growing up, everyone thought I was going
to be a Pastor when I grew up.  However, after High School, my career path
went musician, to nuclear mechanic, to general mechanic, to computer geek.
Now my brother (who everyone thought was going to be a musician) is now in
Gettysburg, PA going to Seminary.  Go figure.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: PBudge at cbsol.com [mailto:PBudge at cbsol.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 7:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Phew....made it....



Oddly, I'm betting his mother's hair was completely white by the time he
was 2. . . ;-)))))))))))))))

Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions


 

                      "William Hindman"

                      <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>        To:
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

                      Sent by:                         cc:

                      accessd-bounces at databasea        Subject:  Re:
[AccessD] Phew....made it....                                             
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...nah ...natural born masochist :))))

William

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 2:38 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Phew....made it....


> Boy, do you like a challenge!
>
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> > Sent: 02 May 2003 03:36
> > To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: [AccessD] Phew....made it....
> >
> >
> > Well it's now been a solid week and 13 hours since my DSL
> > went online, and thus the archives were back up.  That's more
> > then the 4 day, 2 day, and 36 hour periods combined! <grin>
> >
> > Although, now that the archives are back up, the posting
> > around here has slowed to a crawl, what's up with that?  Do I
> > need to get into a debate with JC or what?
> >
> > A little advanced warning, I am going to try and hack my
> > SpeedStream 5260 DSL modem, to turn it into a SpeedStream
> > 5660 Router this weekend.  Downtime will be in the seconds,
> > but if it completely flops, then I'll need a new DSL
> > modem....so it may be down for a day or two..... <grin>
> >
> > Drew
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  2 10:56:39 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 10:56:39 -0500 
Subject: Bruce Bruen's email Client   Was: RE: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&
	 ^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D829EF@main2.marlow.com>

I think the emails are getting like that through the List server, because I
get them the same way.

Just an FYI Bruce, the emails posted like that aren't going in the
archive....well they are, they're just blank, because the archiver ignores
attachments.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:mitsules_ms at nns.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 9:46 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: OT: Re: Bruce Bruen's email Client Was: RE: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&
^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


Bruce,

...just curious, no flames intended, honestly, but what email client are you
using, what format are you sending your emails, and what, if anything else
are you attaching when you post to AccessD?  The reason I ask is because
with my Win2K/Outlook2K2 setup, the emails I receive from you are 3 levels
deep.  The first consists of the AccessD footer and 1 attachment ("Untitled
Attachment") with no "body".  When I open the "Untitled Attachment", there
is another blank email consisting of 2 more attachments ("ATT2303090.txt"
and "smime.p7s").  If I open the "smime.p7s" attachment, it appears to be a
certificate...(which I have no problem with).  The actual content of your
email is in the "ATT2303090.txt" attachment...whoohoo!

My question is this, is there some setting on MY machine that I can set so
it will just interpret all of this mess as just a plain textual email
response?


Thanks to all for any suggestions,


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Bruen [mailto:bbruen at bigpond.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 10:17 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Fri May  2 11:04:05 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 11:04:05 -0500
Subject: OT: Re: Bruce Bruen's email Client Was: RE: [AccessD] OT:
 ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@
Message-ID: <BAY2-F131ZNAfdeid4i0000ba4a@hotmail.com>

Hotmail handles this message without any extra attachments. All I see is the 
message. I do see the "smime.p7s" attachment but no others. Yea HOTMAIL! 
Finally SOMETHING GOOD from it. ;-)

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: "Mitsules, Mark" <mitsules_ms at nns.com>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: OT: Re:  Bruce Bruen's email Client   Was: RE: [AccessD] OT: 
>^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@
>Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 10:46:01 -0400
>
>Bruce,
>
>...just curious, no flames intended, honestly, but what email client are 
>you
>using, what format are you sending your emails, and what, if anything else
>are you attaching when you post to AccessD?  The reason I ask is because
>with my Win2K/Outlook2K2 setup, the emails I receive from you are 3 levels
>deep.  The first consists of the AccessD footer and 1 attachment ("Untitled
>Attachment") with no "body".  When I open the "Untitled Attachment", there
>is another blank email consisting of 2 more attachments ("ATT2303090.txt"
>and "smime.p7s").  If I open the "smime.p7s" attachment, it appears to be a
>certificate...(which I have no problem with).  The actual content of your
>email is in the "ATT2303090.txt" attachment...whoohoo!
>
>My question is this, is there some setting on MY machine that I can set so
>it will just interpret all of this mess as just a plain textual email
>response?
>
>
>Thanks to all for any suggestions,
>
>
>Mark
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bruce Bruen [mailto:bbruen at bigpond.com]
>Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 10:17 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@
>
>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  2 11:08:00 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 11:08:00 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD]  Function for "scrubbing" strings before inserting 
	them into SQL statements?
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D829F2@main2.marlow.com>

Use the replace function, to replace all double quotes, with two double
quotes.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tucker [mailto:mtucker at myrealbox.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 10:47 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Function for "scrubbing" strings before inserting
them into SQL statements?


Hi everyone,

I'm sure everybody has faced this situation, but I can't seem to figure out
an elegant solution.  I have a webpage interface to an Access database where
users can enter notes on various things.  Of course the user may enter
apostrophes or quotation marks in these notes, but of course that sends my
SQL statement into a tizzy.  A sample of my SQL statement...

strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblEmployeeMonthlyTask ([TaskDescription]) VALUES "
strSQL = strSQL & "('" & Request.Form("txtTaskDescription") & "')"

Is there a function that will convert my string so that it usable inside of
this SQL statement even if it contains apostrophes and quotes?

Thank you.

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From PBudge at cbsol.com  Fri May  2 11:16:17 2003
From: PBudge at cbsol.com (PBudge at cbsol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 11:16:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD]OT Phew....made it....
Message-ID: <OFBB2C0F33.EF822A2E-ON86256D1A.0058B62E@cbsol.com>


!!!!!  YOU??  DREW WUTKA the inveterate tinkerer?  A PASTOR???????

Given all your recent adventures, would your church have SURVIVED you being
a pastor?  ;-))))))))))))))))))))))


(Sorry!  I have a hard time resisting the obvious lines. . . LOL)

Interesting how your career path as led you to progressively less lethal
technologies to work on though. . . ;-))))))))))))))))))))

Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions


                                                                                                                                               
                      Drew Wutka                                                                                                               
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                      accessd-bounces at databasea        Subject:  RE: [AccessD] Phew....made it....                                             
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                      05/02/2003 10:52 AM                                                                                                      
                      Please respond to accessd                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                               




Very funny.  Actually, while I was growing up, everyone thought I was going
to be a Pastor when I grew up.  However, after High School, my career path
went musician, to nuclear mechanic, to general mechanic, to computer geek.
Now my brother (who everyone thought was going to be a musician) is now in
Gettysburg, PA going to Seminary.  Go figure.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: PBudge at cbsol.com [mailto:PBudge at cbsol.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 7:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Phew....made it....



Oddly, I'm betting his mother's hair was completely white by the time he
was 2. . . ;-)))))))))))))))

Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions


  "William Hindman"  <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
To:  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
 Sent by:  accessd-bounces at databasea
Subject:  Re:  [AccessD] Phew....made it....

05/02/2003 01:51 AM
Please respond to accessd

...nah ...natural born masochist :))))

William

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 2:38 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Phew....made it....


> Boy, do you like a challenge!
>
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> > Sent: 02 May 2003 03:36
> > To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: [AccessD] Phew....made it....
> >
> >
> > Well it's now been a solid week and 13 hours since my DSL
> > went online, and thus the archives were back up.  That's more
> > then the 4 day, 2 day, and 36 hour periods combined! <grin>
> >
> > Although, now that the archives are back up, the posting
> > around here has slowed to a crawl, what's up with that?  Do I
> > need to get into a debate with JC or what?
> >
> > A little advanced warning, I am going to try and hack my
> > SpeedStream 5260 DSL modem, to turn it into a SpeedStream
> > 5660 Router this weekend.  Downtime will be in the seconds,
> > but if it completely flops, then I'll need a new DSL
> > modem....so it may be down for a day or two..... <grin>
> >
> > Drew







From markamatte at hotmail.com  Fri May  2 11:17:58 2003
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 16:17:58 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Compact DB
Message-ID: <BAY1-F64gPugu3WOXs800002e3c@hotmail.com>

Ryan,

If it is in A97 I have a sample DB that compacts on close if it is only open 
once...and if it is above a certain size.  It also uses the sendkey method.

Please contact me OFFLINE(not thru the list) if you would like a copy.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte



>From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Compact DB
>Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 10:04:07 -0500
>
>Compact DBIt depends. A2k and > has it on the Tools menu. For A97 use this:
>
>Public Sub SelfCompact()
>       ' Comments   : A massive work around to the lack of compact on close
>in A97.
>       '              Builds a temporary Command Bar and then closes and
>reopens the DB.
>       '              Code credit to Jim Dettman. Online Computer Services 
>of
>WNY, Inc. jimdettman at earthlink.net
>       ' Parameters :  -
>       ' Returns    :  -
>
>       On Error GoTo PROC_ERR
>
>       With CommandBars.Add(, 1, , True)
>          .Controls.Add 1, 2071, , , True
>          .Visible = True
>          .Controls(1).SetFocus
>          DoEvents
>          SendKeys "~"
>       End With
>       Exit Sub
>
>PROC_ERR:
>       MsgBox "The following error occurred: " & Error$
>       Resume Next
>End Sub
>
>HTH
>JB
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Smethurst, Ryan
>Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:16 AM
>To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
>Subject: [AccessD] Compact DB
>
>
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>   Hi Group,
>
>   Is it possible to compact a db in code when quitting it?
>
>   Thanks
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From ryan.smethurst at bromley.gov.uk  Fri May  2 11:23:45 2003
From: ryan.smethurst at bromley.gov.uk (Smethurst, Ryan)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 17:23:45 +0100 
Subject: [AccessD] Eval not working?
Message-ID: <F4FD32CEB33B314B9187B3A6599B3D6E5CAA4B@lbbx2ktemp1.corp.int.bromley.gov.uk>

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Hi All,

I have a series of functions that need to be run one after the other.

They are all prefixed with the "Update_" and I was hoping to simply loop
through labels on a form to complete the names and voila.

But when I use:

strname = First then Second then Third etc etc (example)

Eval("Update_" & strName & "()")

although I get no error, the function isn't called?

Does anyone know why?

TIA
RyanS
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From ryan.smethurst at bromley.gov.uk  Fri May  2 11:25:23 2003
From: ryan.smethurst at bromley.gov.uk (Smethurst, Ryan)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 17:25:23 +0100 
Subject: [AccessD] Compact DB
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Thanks all!...been a great help and I'm got a solution for them!
 
RyanS

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: 02 May 2003 16:04
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Compact DB



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It depends. A2k and > has it on the Tools menu. For A97 use this:
 
Public Sub SelfCompact()
      ' Comments   : A massive work around to the lack of compact on close
in A97.
      '              Builds a temporary Command Bar and then closes and
reopens the DB.
      '              Code credit to Jim Dettman. Online Computer Services of
WNY, Inc. jimdettman at earthlink.net <mailto:jimdettman at earthlink.net> 
      ' Parameters :  -
      ' Returns    :  -


      On Error GoTo PROC_ERR

      With CommandBars.Add(, 1, , True)
         .Controls.Add 1, 2071, , , True
         .Visible = True
         .Controls(1).SetFocus
         DoEvents
         SendKeys "~"
      End With
      Exit Sub
      
PROC_ERR:
      MsgBox "The following error occurred: " & Error$
      Resume Next
End Sub
 
HTH
JB
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Smethurst, Ryan
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:16 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Compact DB



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Hi Group, 

Is it possible to compact a db in code when quitting it? 

Thanks 
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From artful at rogers.com  Fri May  2 11:21:10 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 12:21:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEBADKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c310c6$d7c448c0$8e01a8c0@Rock>

wXP has an update feature that I have never used. Norton has a copyDrive
tool. But I know what you mean and you have my sympathy. Bin There Dun That
too many bloddy times :-)



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: May 2, 2003 9:57 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


Well, today my NTLDR wouldn't!  Or wasn't, depending on who you talked to!

I never did get it back, but after 4 hours of trying I had succeeded in
getting a floppy to boot (I had a weird boot config as well) and then
succeeded in getting Office apps to run windows setup every time they
loaded, trashed IE and so forth and so on.

So... I went down, bought a new 120mb hard disk, and started over.  I did
this of course so that I didn't overwrite anything (else) in the process of
getting windows working again.  Installed Win2kSP.  Of course no network,
video, sound and most critically drivers for the Promise100 IDE 3/4 where my
old disks now reside.  More hours searching for CDs and floppies for those
things, searching the internet (on my other computer - thank GOD for "the
other computer").

Of course I then spent several hours applying service packs, reloading O2K
(only, so far), Norton utilities, NAV, and am still in the process of
re-installing everything I can think of that I used to have.  The weird
thing is that I have my outlook.pst, but that apparently doesn't have the
personalized settings in it for things like rules, signature, etc.

Anyway, still loading stuff!

WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT
A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A
PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!

My question to you kind folks, where the (*&%)%$#!@ are rules / sig and the
like kept for Outlook?

It seems like you would just copy the entire jcolby user and be back with
all that kind of stuff.  The problem of course is that there is stuff in
there for programs that don't exist (at least in the same place) etc.

Sigh!

John W. Colby


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From jbhuffman at mdh.org  Fri May  2 11:21:37 2003
From: jbhuffman at mdh.org (Huffman, Jarad B.)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 11:21:37 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Access VB question
Message-ID: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B48019356C8@NEWMAN_EXC>

Does anyone know how to programmatically open an access database in VB,
bypassing the startup options?  

Jarad Huffman 
Applications Support Analyst 
Information Systems 
McDonough District Hospital 
Macomb, IL 61455 
(309) 833-4101


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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Fri May  2 11:22:35 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 11:22:35 -0500
Subject: OT - RE: [AccessD] Phew....made it....
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357AB@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Drew,

How did you both go wrong? <VBG>  Have a nice weekend.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 02 10:52
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Phew....made it....

Very funny.  Actually, while I was growing up, everyone thought I was
going to be a Pastor when I grew up.  However, after High School, my
career path went musician, to nuclear mechanic, to general mechanic, to
computer geek. Now my brother (who everyone thought was going to be a
musician) is now in Gettysburg, PA going to Seminary.  Go figure.

Drew

From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Fri May  2 11:51:36 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 12:51:36 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Function for "scrubbing" strings before inserting t
	hem into SQLstatements?
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA3033310B@ADGSERVER>

I use this:

'add single quotes to beginning/end of a string
Public Function AddQuote(vData As Variant) As String

   If IsNull(vData) Then
      AddQuote = "NULL"
      Else
         AddQuote = "'" & SQLText(CStr(vData)) & "'"
      End If

End Function


Public Function SQLText(lstrIn As String) As String
Dim intStringLocation   As Integer
Dim strLeft             As String
Dim strRight            As String

intStringLocation = 0

intStringLocation = InStr(intStringLocation + 1, lstrIn, "'")

Do While intStringLocation > 0
    strLeft = Left(lstrIn, intStringLocation - 1)
    strRight = Mid(lstrIn, intStringLocation + 1)
    lstrIn = strLeft & "''" & strRight
    intStringLocation = intStringLocation + 2
    intStringLocation = InStr(intStringLocation, lstrIn, "'")
    Loop

SQLText = lstrIn

End Function


--------------------------------------------------
call with:

strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblEmployeeMonthlyTask ([TaskDescription]) VALUES "
strSQL = strSQL & "(" & AddQuote(Request.Form("txtTaskDescription")) & ")"


I make no claims for this code as it is kind of messy and I did not write
all of it.  LOL.  But it does work.  It can be optimized somewhat also.

HTH,
Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael Tucker
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 11:47 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Function for "scrubbing" strings before inserting
them into SQLstatements?


Hi everyone,

I'm sure everybody has faced this situation, but I can't seem to figure out
an elegant solution.  I have a webpage interface to an Access database where
users can enter notes on various things.  Of course the user may enter
apostrophes or quotation marks in these notes, but of course that sends my
SQL statement into a tizzy.  A sample of my SQL statement...

strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblEmployeeMonthlyTask ([TaskDescription]) VALUES "
strSQL = strSQL & "('" & Request.Form("txtTaskDescription") & "')"

Is there a function that will convert my string so that it usable inside of
this SQL statement even if it contains apostrophes and quotes?

Thank you.

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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Fri May  2 11:52:37 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 12:52:37 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD]  Function for "scrubbing" strings before inserting 
	them into SQL statements?
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA3033310C@ADGSERVER>

The code snippet I just sent works in ACC 97 which does not have Replace.
But I agree, Replace is the way to go.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 12:08 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Function for "scrubbing" strings before inserting
them into SQL statements?


Use the replace function, to replace all double quotes, with two double
quotes.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tucker [mailto:mtucker at myrealbox.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 10:47 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Function for "scrubbing" strings before inserting
them into SQL statements?


Hi everyone,

I'm sure everybody has faced this situation, but I can't seem to figure out
an elegant solution.  I have a webpage interface to an Access database where
users can enter notes on various things.  Of course the user may enter
apostrophes or quotation marks in these notes, but of course that sends my
SQL statement into a tizzy.  A sample of my SQL statement...

strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblEmployeeMonthlyTask ([TaskDescription]) VALUES "
strSQL = strSQL & "('" & Request.Form("txtTaskDescription") & "')"

Is there a function that will convert my string so that it usable inside of
this SQL statement even if it contains apostrophes and quotes?

Thank you.

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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Fri May  2 11:49:15 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 12:49:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Eval not working?
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B26@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Ryan,
 
If you're using A2K or greater I think you could try the CallByName function.  I have an example but it's in my laptop at home.
 
HTH, 

Jim DeMarco 
Director of Product Development 
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan 

-----Original Message-----
From: Smethurst, Ryan [mailto:ryan.smethurst at bromley.gov.uk]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 12:24 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Eval not working?



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Hi All, 

I have a series of functions that need to be run one after the other. 

They are all prefixed with the "Update_" and I was hoping to simply loop through labels on a form to complete the names and voila.

But when I use: 

strname = First then Second then Third etc etc (example) 

Eval("Update_" & strName & "()") 

although I get no error, the function isn't called? 

Does anyone know why? 

TIA 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri May  2 12:19:25 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 10:19:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!
In-Reply-To: <Law9-F444UBkqvooZtG00023ccc@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFCEHMCHAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Sherri:

I am not familiar with .adp FE but have used AccessXXXX/VBX FE, SQL BE,
Unbound Forms and Recordsets for years. It is all in how you use and set the
recordsets.

First, ODBC is a little slower than ADO-OLE, in some cases much slower.
Second, All lists of downloaded are Read-Only and filled Forms are one
record at a time Read-Only.

Third, When selecting a record for modifying, Read that one record from the
SQL, open Dynamic, lock-it and check the errors.

If it is current being used then someone else the appropriate error code can
be captured. How you handle the locked record is of your own preference.
Maybe a user prompt like 'Current record is already being updated; Try
Again?'...

Fourth, When the user has completed the record, they can save it or moving
off the record cause a 'Do you wish to save' prompt. If the record is saved
the session is closed and they now are just viewing Read-Only records again.

If this method is used right you will be surprised how many users can be
using a BE without time-outs and slow responses.

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Marcus
Tewksbury
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 7:16 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!


Can Anyone Help Me?

I have built a client server application using .adp front end and SQL
Server back end.  Within the application itself I use unbound forms and
retrieve records using ADO recordsets at run time.  The way I have
initially deployed the application is to copy an instance of the .adp to
each desktop and run it locally.  The problem has been that people keep
overwriting each other's updates - and changes are not reflected fast
enough.

I have a couple of different thoughts on how to tackle this - either
ratchet down the ODBC refresh rate, or run a single, centralized copy of
the .adp (which throws up some non-updateable warning every time it
starts which I don't know how to suppress).  Of course, I acknowledge
that I am a total newbie, and both of these options may be flawed.

Thanks a bunch,

- Sherri





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From john at winhaven.net  Fri May  2 12:32:39 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 12:32:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Compact DB
In-Reply-To: <BAY1-F64gPugu3WOXs800002e3c@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIKEOPEGAA.john@winhaven.net>

Mark,
Go ahead and post the code on the list. I think it would be a valuable thing
to add. And then you won't get a bunch of Mee2s.

JB

PS: otherwise Mee2

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 11:18 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Compact DB
>
>
> Ryan,
>
> If it is in A97 I have a sample DB that compacts on close if it
> is only open
> once...and if it is above a certain size.  It also uses the
> sendkey method.
>
> Please contact me OFFLINE(not thru the list) if you would like a copy.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark A. Matte
>
>
>
> >From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
> >Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Compact DB
> >Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 10:04:07 -0500
> >
> >Compact DBIt depends. A2k and > has it on the Tools menu. For
> A97 use this:
> >
> >Public Sub SelfCompact()
> >       ' Comments   : A massive work around to the lack of
> compact on close
> >in A97.
> >       '              Builds a temporary Command Bar and then closes and
> >reopens the DB.
> >       '              Code credit to Jim Dettman. Online
> Computer Services
> >of
> >WNY, Inc. jimdettman at earthlink.net
> >       ' Parameters :  -
> >       ' Returns    :  -
> >
> >       On Error GoTo PROC_ERR
> >
> >       With CommandBars.Add(, 1, , True)
> >          .Controls.Add 1, 2071, , , True
> >          .Visible = True
> >          .Controls(1).SetFocus
> >          DoEvents
> >          SendKeys "~"
> >       End With
> >       Exit Sub
> >
> >PROC_ERR:
> >       MsgBox "The following error occurred: " & Error$
> >       Resume Next
> >End Sub
> >
> >HTH
> >JB
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Smethurst, Ryan
> >Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:16 AM
> >To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> >Subject: [AccessD] Compact DB
> >
> >
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> >   Hi Group,
> >
> >   Is it possible to compact a db in code when quitting it?
> >
> >   Thanks
> >   RyanS
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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Fri May  2 12:34:00 2003
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 21:34:00 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002
References: 	<010801c30ff7$4d44f750$6501a8c0@HAL9002><005e01c31016$88408300$b501010a@DAISY.local>
	<024401c31019$c3f55d50$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <00a601c310d1$06cbba90$b501010a@DAISY.local>

I'm sorry Rocky, I've written 'Add-in' and I meant both A2K-compiled MDE or
Add-in running under AXP.
You may have problems with them, weird unexplainable problems - I'd
recommend to compile MDE under AXP to run it under AXP.

Shamil

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002


> It doesn't use any add-ins (that I know of) and its got full error
trapping
> per Colby.  Am I in the clear?
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 12:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002
>
>
> > <<<
> > will it run?
> > >>>
> > It will, but it may result in runtime errors, which doesn't exist when
A2K
> > Add-in runs under A2K.
> > I'd recommend to compile add-in under AXP and in AXP format.
> >
> > Shamil
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 7:35 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002
> >
> >
> > Dear List:
> >
> > I'm running A2K.  If I make an MDE out of one of my MDBs and send it to
> > someone running OXP with AXP, will it run?
> >
> > MTIA
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From artful at rogers.com  Fri May  2 13:26:42 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 14:26:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!
In-Reply-To: <Law9-F444UBkqvooZtG00023ccc@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <003901c310d8$6104c9f0$8e01a8c0@Rock>

<rant>
I don't feel like rekindling any bound/unbound wars, so instead I'll try
another tack. The problem is disconnected recordsets, which are very cool if
the liklihood of simultaneous updates of a row is remote. In fact, it's not
so much a database problem as a business practices problem, IMO. What the
hell are two people updating the same row for? There's a problem here and it
doesn't concern the database; it concerns the workflow, which by definition
is outside the specifications. OTOH, excellent arguments from the db folk
occasionally persuade management that the problem is indeed outside the db,
and should be addressed by someone other than you.
</rant>

<reality>
Given that you must prevent simultaneous updates of a set of rows, and given
that you have taken the unbound path, without a massive rewrite I think your
quickest option is to revisit all the recordset declarations, setting
Pessimism TRUE in your rs.open() arguments. This effectively offloads the
problem to the db, which is good, since it won't allow your users to
overwrite each other even if your app in theory does. (That's why I always
put all the smarts into sprocs and rules and such, rather than coding them
in Access. Then, even if your app is buggy, it doesn't matter:-) Lock it all
down with pessimistic recordsets and go from there. You can probably visit
every occurenece with a project-wide search, and paste the revised string
in.
</reality>

<fantasy>
I'm having difficulty coming up with an example where multiple users would
want to update the same rows. A wife and husband are both phoning to
complain about a VISA charge? Three employees are calling from Client X to
revise the purchase quantities in the details of OrderID 2345?

Multiple people updating identical rows = a workflow problem, IMO. In a
well-designed workflow, this should never occur.

Making this point at your next meeting, you are given a 100% salary boost,
several opportunities for sex with strangers, and the pleasure of watching
the entire organization reconfigure itself to your insights. Suddenly they
appreciate how brilliant you are and shape their enterprise around you.
Billions at stake, all on your mind.
</fantasy>

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Tewksbury
Sent: May 2, 2003 10:16 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!


Can Anyone Help Me?

I have built a client server application using .adp front end and SQL Server
back end.  Within the application itself I use unbound forms and retrieve
records using ADO recordsets at run time.  The way I have initially deployed
the application is to copy an instance of the .adp to each desktop and run
it locally.  The problem has been that people keep overwriting each other's
updates - and changes are not reflected fast enough.

I have a couple of different thoughts on how to tackle this - either ratchet
down the ODBC refresh rate, or run a single, centralized copy of the .adp
(which throws up some non-updateable warning every time it starts which I
don't know how to suppress).  Of course, I acknowledge that I am a total
newbie, and both of these options may be flawed.

Thanks a bunch,

- Sherri





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From delliker at hotmail.com  Fri May  2 13:54:46 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 14:54:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Class not registered
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From mtucker at myrealbox.com  Fri May  2 14:10:21 2003
From: mtucker at myrealbox.com (Michael Tucker)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 15:10:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD]  Function for "scrubbing" strings before inserting them
	into SQL statements?
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D829F2@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <200305021910.h42JAAg21515@databaseadvisors.com>

Thanks for the response.  My brain is a little fuzzy on this, all these
quotation marks are turning my eyes to mush...

Replace (mystring, """", """""")

Is this what I'm looking for or is there a better way using chr codes and
what not?


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 12:08 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'

Use the replace function, to replace all double quotes, with two double
quotes.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tucker [mailto:mtucker at myrealbox.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 10:47 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Function for "scrubbing" strings before inserting them
into SQL statements?


Hi everyone,

I'm sure everybody has faced this situation, but I can't seem to figure out
an elegant solution.  I have a webpage interface to an Access database where
users can enter notes on various things.  Of course the user may enter
apostrophes or quotation marks in these notes, but of course that sends my
SQL statement into a tizzy.  A sample of my SQL statement...

strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblEmployeeMonthlyTask ([TaskDescription]) VALUES "
strSQL = strSQL & "('" & Request.Form("txtTaskDescription") & "')"

Is there a function that will convert my string so that it usable inside of
this SQL statement even if it contains apostrophes and quotes?

Thank you.

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From delliker at hotmail.com  Fri May  2 14:15:57 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 15:15:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Function for "scrubbing" strings before inserting
	theminto SQL statements?
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  2 14:20:22 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 14:20:22 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD]OT Phew....made it....
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D829F3@main2.marlow.com>

I think they have gotten more lethal.  As far as a church surviving
me...only by the grace of God.  <pun intended>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: PBudge at cbsol.com [mailto:PBudge at cbsol.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 11:16 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD]OT Phew....made it....



!!!!!  YOU??  DREW WUTKA the inveterate tinkerer?  A PASTOR???????

Given all your recent adventures, would your church have SURVIVED you being
a pastor?  ;-))))))))))))))))))))))


(Sorry!  I have a hard time resisting the obvious lines. . . LOL)

Interesting how your career path as led you to progressively less lethal
technologies to work on though. . . ;-))))))))))))))))))))

Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions


 

                      Drew Wutka

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Very funny.  Actually, while I was growing up, everyone thought I was going
to be a Pastor when I grew up.  However, after High School, my career path
went musician, to nuclear mechanic, to general mechanic, to computer geek.
Now my brother (who everyone thought was going to be a musician) is now in
Gettysburg, PA going to Seminary.  Go figure.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: PBudge at cbsol.com [mailto:PBudge at cbsol.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 7:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Phew....made it....



Oddly, I'm betting his mother's hair was completely white by the time he
was 2. . . ;-)))))))))))))))

Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions


  "William Hindman"  <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
To:  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
 Sent by:  accessd-bounces at databasea
Subject:  Re:  [AccessD] Phew....made it....

05/02/2003 01:51 AM
Please respond to accessd

...nah ...natural born masochist :))))

William

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 2:38 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Phew....made it....


> Boy, do you like a challenge!
>
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> > Sent: 02 May 2003 03:36
> > To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: [AccessD] Phew....made it....
> >
> >
> > Well it's now been a solid week and 13 hours since my DSL
> > went online, and thus the archives were back up.  That's more
> > then the 4 day, 2 day, and 36 hour periods combined! <grin>
> >
> > Although, now that the archives are back up, the posting
> > around here has slowed to a crawl, what's up with that?  Do I
> > need to get into a debate with JC or what?
> >
> > A little advanced warning, I am going to try and hack my
> > SpeedStream 5260 DSL modem, to turn it into a SpeedStream
> > 5660 Router this weekend.  Downtime will be in the seconds,
> > but if it completely flops, then I'll need a new DSL
> > modem....so it may be down for a day or two..... <grin>
> >
> > Drew






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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  2 14:21:25 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 14:21:25 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD]  Function for "scrubbing" strings before inserting 
	 them into SQL statements?
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D829F4@main2.marlow.com>

Absolutely....it's my only gripe with 97 is the lack of certain VB 6
capabilities.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 11:53 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Function for "scrubbing" strings before inserting
them into SQL statements?


The code snippet I just sent works in ACC 97 which does not have Replace.
But I agree, Replace is the way to go.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 12:08 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Function for "scrubbing" strings before inserting
them into SQL statements?


Use the replace function, to replace all double quotes, with two double
quotes.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tucker [mailto:mtucker at myrealbox.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 10:47 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Function for "scrubbing" strings before inserting
them into SQL statements?


Hi everyone,

I'm sure everybody has faced this situation, but I can't seem to figure out
an elegant solution.  I have a webpage interface to an Access database where
users can enter notes on various things.  Of course the user may enter
apostrophes or quotation marks in these notes, but of course that sends my
SQL statement into a tizzy.  A sample of my SQL statement...

strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblEmployeeMonthlyTask ([TaskDescription]) VALUES "
strSQL = strSQL & "('" & Request.Form("txtTaskDescription") & "')"

Is there a function that will convert my string so that it usable inside of
this SQL statement even if it contains apostrophes and quotes?

Thank you.

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  2 14:22:46 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 14:22:46 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD]  Function for "scrubbing" strings before inserting 
	them into SQL statements?
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D829F5@main2.marlow.com>

That should work, but I personally would write it:

Replace(mystring,Chr(34),Chr(34) & Chr(34))

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tucker [mailto:mtucker at myrealbox.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 2:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Function for "scrubbing" strings before inserting
them into SQL statements?


Thanks for the response.  My brain is a little fuzzy on this, all these
quotation marks are turning my eyes to mush...

Replace (mystring, """", """""")

Is this what I'm looking for or is there a better way using chr codes and
what not?


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 12:08 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'

Use the replace function, to replace all double quotes, with two double
quotes.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tucker [mailto:mtucker at myrealbox.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 10:47 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Function for "scrubbing" strings before inserting them
into SQL statements?


Hi everyone,

I'm sure everybody has faced this situation, but I can't seem to figure out
an elegant solution.  I have a webpage interface to an Access database where
users can enter notes on various things.  Of course the user may enter
apostrophes or quotation marks in these notes, but of course that sends my
SQL statement into a tizzy.  A sample of my SQL statement...

strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblEmployeeMonthlyTask ([TaskDescription]) VALUES "
strSQL = strSQL & "('" & Request.Form("txtTaskDescription") & "')"

Is there a function that will convert my string so that it usable inside of
this SQL statement even if it contains apostrophes and quotes?

Thank you.

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From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Fri May  2 15:03:32 2003
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 15:03:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Error Number - A2K - Urgent
Message-ID: <FKEBJOENDDBJHLINGOBHGECIEIAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

Please Help.

I need to know what Error 1517 is.

Reuben Cummings
Director of Software Development
GFC, LLC
phone: 812.523.1017
email: reuben at gfconsultants.com


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri May  2 15:17:59 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 15:17:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)
In-Reply-To: <003901c310d8$6104c9f0$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <000001c310e7$f0410a70$de1811d8@DanWaters>

Arthur,

The databases I design typically handle some type of QA process in a
manufacturing environment.  One of the advantages of using an electronic
system over a paper form system is the ability for people to work
(almost) in parallel - which leads to the real occurrence of
simultaneous updates.  So, I always use pessimistic locking, and on the
one process where people felt slowed down, I installed a timer on that
form so that it closed after 5 minutes with no activity, releasing the
locks on the table (that was in A97).

I am starting to look at upsizing this db to SQL 2000.  From what I
understand, I may not be able to use pessimistic locking the same way
that I did in AXP.  

If this is the case, what is the best way to duplicate the pessimistic
locking behavior of AXP in SQL 2K?

Thanks,
Dan Waters


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 12:27 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!


<rant>
I don't feel like rekindling any bound/unbound wars, so instead I'll try
another tack. The problem is disconnected recordsets, which are very
cool if the liklihood of simultaneous updates of a row is remote. In
fact, it's not so much a database problem as a business practices
problem, IMO. What the hell are two people updating the same row for?
There's a problem here and it doesn't concern the database; it concerns
the workflow, which by definition is outside the specifications. OTOH,
excellent arguments from the db folk occasionally persuade management
that the problem is indeed outside the db, and should be addressed by
someone other than you. </rant>

<reality>
Given that you must prevent simultaneous updates of a set of rows, and
given that you have taken the unbound path, without a massive rewrite I
think your quickest option is to revisit all the recordset declarations,
setting Pessimism TRUE in your rs.open() arguments. This effectively
offloads the problem to the db, which is good, since it won't allow your
users to overwrite each other even if your app in theory does. (That's
why I always put all the smarts into sprocs and rules and such, rather
than coding them in Access. Then, even if your app is buggy, it doesn't
matter:-) Lock it all down with pessimistic recordsets and go from
there. You can probably visit every occurenece with a project-wide
search, and paste the revised string in. </reality>

<fantasy>
I'm having difficulty coming up with an example where multiple users
would want to update the same rows. A wife and husband are both phoning
to complain about a VISA charge? Three employees are calling from Client
X to revise the purchase quantities in the details of OrderID 2345?

Multiple people updating identical rows = a workflow problem, IMO. In a
well-designed workflow, this should never occur.

Making this point at your next meeting, you are given a 100% salary
boost, several opportunities for sex with strangers, and the pleasure of
watching the entire organization reconfigure itself to your insights.
Suddenly they appreciate how brilliant you are and shape their
enterprise around you. Billions at stake, all on your mind. </fantasy>

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Marcus
Tewksbury
Sent: May 2, 2003 10:16 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!


Can Anyone Help Me?

I have built a client server application using .adp front end and SQL
Server back end.  Within the application itself I use unbound forms and
retrieve records using ADO recordsets at run time.  The way I have
initially deployed the application is to copy an instance of the .adp to
each desktop and run it locally.  The problem has been that people keep
overwriting each other's updates - and changes are not reflected fast
enough.

I have a couple of different thoughts on how to tackle this - either
ratchet down the ODBC refresh rate, or run a single, centralized copy of
the .adp (which throws up some non-updateable warning every time it
starts which I don't know how to suppress).  Of course, I acknowledge
that I am a total newbie, and both of these options may be flawed.

Thanks a bunch,

- Sherri





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From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Fri May  2 15:22:04 2003
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 16:22:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Error Number - A2K - Urgent
Message-ID: <FED384E544086A47AAC07C0999BE8D175B6FFF@albmsx2k.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Found this thread from a google search
HTH

http://www.granite.ab.ca/access/reservederror1517.htm

Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us


-----Original Message-----
From: Reuben Cummings [mailto:reuben at gfconsultants.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 4:04 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Error Number - A2K - Urgent


Please Help.

I need to know what Error 1517 is.

Reuben Cummings
Director of Software Development
GFC, LLC
phone: 812.523.1017
email: reuben at gfconsultants.com

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri May  2 15:56:58 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 13:56:58 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Error Number - A2K - Urgent
References: <FKEBJOENDDBJHLINGOBHGECIEIAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>
Message-ID: <3EB2DB9A.2060806@shaw.ca>

If a jet error 1517   Column Id Incorrect
 From function AccessError(1517)
Application-defined or object-defined error

 Clear as mud Eh?


Reuben Cummings wrote:

>Please Help.
>
>I need to know what Error 1517 is.
>
>Reuben Cummings
>Director of Software Development
>GFC, LLC
>phone: 812.523.1017
>email: reuben at gfconsultants.com
>
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>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>  
>



From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri May  2 16:51:07 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 14:51:07 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access VB question
In-Reply-To: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B48019356C8@NEWMAN_EXC>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFCEIBCHAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Access VB questionHi Jarad:

Assuming you are using ADO-OLE and have your MS Recordset object Library
attached here is the code I would use:

Public Sub GetConnected()
    Dim gconROD As ADODB.Connection
    Dim gstrConnection As String
    Dim gsDBPFName As String

    On Error GoTo Err_GetConnected

    gsDBPFName = \\Myserver\MyDBDirectory\rod.mdb

    gstrConnection = "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;" & _
                    "Persist Security Info=False;" & _
                    "Data Source=" & gsDBPFName

    Set gconROD = New ADODB.Connection
    gconROD.Open gstrConnection

Exit_GetConnected:
    Exit Sub

Err_GetConnected:
    ShowErrMsg ("GetConnected")
    Resume Exit_GetConnected

End Sub

This is of course overly simplified but...
HTH
Jim
  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Huffman, Jarad B.
  Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 9:22 AM
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: [AccessD] Access VB question


  Does anyone know how to programmatically open an access database in VB,
bypassing the startup options?

  Jarad Huffman
  Applications Support Analyst
  Information Systems
  McDonough District Hospital
  Macomb, IL 61455
  (309) 833-4101


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From bbruen at bigpond.com  Fri May  2 17:05:36 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 08:05:36 +1000
Subject: Bruce Bruen's email Client   Was: RE: [AccessD] OT:
	^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@
In-Reply-To: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E293AC@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <002601c310f6$f66d3fe0$be75fea9@bbb888>

Hmmmm..

I thought I was sending plain text. I am using Outlook XP (no mail
server)

The other day I was asking about invoking VBA procedures automatically,
during that time I came across the same feature as John Colby - the so
called outlook object model security.  During my investigation of this I
created a verisign cert and an office self cert so I could get my
outlook code to run without lowering the outlook (xp) security level.  

The cert I am now usiinng should be the self cert and I therefore
presumed that it wasn't being sent.  

This reply should be plain text -- if it isnt please tell me ( and how
to fix it if possible)

Sorry for the inconvenience - 
Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mitsules,
Mark
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 12:46 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: OT: Re: Bruce Bruen's email Client Was: RE: [AccessD] OT:
^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


Bruce,

...just curious, no flames intended, honestly, but what email client are
you using, what format are you sending your emails, and what, if
anything else are you attaching when you post to AccessD?  The reason I
ask is because with my Win2K/Outlook2K2 setup, the emails I receive from
you are 3 levels deep.  The first consists of the AccessD footer and 1
attachment ("Untitled
Attachment") with no "body".  When I open the "Untitled Attachment",
there is another blank email consisting of 2 more attachments
("ATT2303090.txt" and "smime.p7s").  If I open the "smime.p7s"
attachment, it appears to be a certificate...(which I have no problem
with).  The actual content of your email is in the "ATT2303090.txt"
attachment...whoohoo!

My question is this, is there some setting on MY machine that I can set
so it will just interpret all of this mess as just a plain textual email
response?


Thanks to all for any suggestions,


Mark


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From: Bruce Bruen [mailto:bbruen at bigpond.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 10:17 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  2 17:15:35 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 17:15:35 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Error Number - A2K - Urgent
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D829F6@main2.marlow.com>

I don't see 1517 in 97's error codes.  What version of Access...and where is
the error occurring?

Drew

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From: Reuben Cummings [mailto:reuben at gfconsultants.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 3:04 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Error Number - A2K - Urgent


Please Help.

I need to know what Error 1517 is.

Reuben Cummings
Director of Software Development
GFC, LLC
phone: 812.523.1017
email: reuben at gfconsultants.com

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  2 17:17:38 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 17:17:38 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Access VB question
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D829F7@main2.marlow.com>

I may be mistaken, but nothing in that code bypasses the startup stuff. 
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 4:51 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access VB question


Hi Jarad:
 
Assuming you are using ADO-OLE and have your MS Recordset object Library
attached here is the code I would use:
 
Public Sub GetConnected()
    Dim gconROD As ADODB.Connection
    Dim gstrConnection As String
    Dim gsDBPFName As String

    On Error GoTo Err_GetConnected
    
    gsDBPFName =  \\Myserver\MyDBDirectory\rod.mdb
<file://\\Myserver\MyDBDirectory\rod.mdb> 

    gstrConnection = "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;" & _
                    "Persist Security Info=False;" & _
                    "Data Source=" & gsDBPFName
                    
    Set gconROD = New ADODB.Connection
    gconROD.Open gstrConnection
    
Exit_GetConnected:
    Exit Sub
    
Err_GetConnected:
    ShowErrMsg ("GetConnected")
    Resume Exit_GetConnected
    
End Sub
 
This is of course overly simplified but...
HTH
Jim

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Huffman, Jarad B.
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 9:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access VB question



Does anyone know how to programmatically open an access database in VB,
bypassing the startup options?  

Jarad Huffman 
Applications Support Analyst 
Information Systems 
McDonough District Hospital 
Macomb, IL 61455 
(309) 833-4101 


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  2 17:18:32 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 17:18:32 -0500 
Subject: Bruce Bruen's email Client   Was: RE: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&
	^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D829F8@main2.marlow.com>

The attachment is plain text, but the email is showing up as an attachment
still.

Drew

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From: Bruce Bruen [mailto:bbruen at bigpond.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:06 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Re: Bruce Bruen's email Client Was: RE: [AccessD] OT:
^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


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From harkins at iglou.com  Fri May  2 17:26:35 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 18:26:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access VB question
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D829F7@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <004001c310f9$e648aed0$b8e6ffcc@SusanOne>

Access VB questionIf you could someone set the Access database setting the AllowBypassKey property before you try to open it in VB? Do you have to disable it from inside VB?

Susan H. 

  I may be mistaken, but nothing in that code bypasses the startup stuff. 

  Drew


      Does anyone know how to programmatically open an access database in VB, bypassing the startup options?  

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From bbruen at bigpond.com  Fri May  2 17:32:59 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 08:32:59 +1000
Subject: Bruce Bruen's email Client   Was: RE: [AccessD] OT:
	^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@
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Bugger!

How about now - I've jigged a few options.

Tia
 Bruce

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The attachment is plain text, but the email is showing up as an
attachment still.

Drew

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri May  2 17:57:56 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 15:57:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!
In-Reply-To: <003901c310d8$6104c9f0$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFIEICCHAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Arthur:

I really do not want to start discussing bound and unbound issues here but
when you make totally incorrect statement related to my post I have no other
recourse but to respond. This is the scenario:

1. Selecting records from a list.. These records are disconnected Read-Only
recordset. This will be displayed in some sort of list. Authors choice.

2. Just viewing full records... The contents of this display is retrieved
and displayed at the user's moment of viewing. Again a Read-Only recordset,
ONE record.

3. Only when the user selects the Form record for modification then a
DYNAMIC, LOCKED recordset is opened and the Form filled. That record then
REMAINS locked, Dynamically connected until the user SAVES the record. (This
locks the record from anyone else attempting to access it, with a similar
method.) Any user attempting to access that record for modification will
receive a message indicating that the current record is open by another
user. They are then prompted to Retry or Abandon. PLEASE NOTE That
disconnect recordsets are not used when UPDATING a record.

This process works very well and systems with as many as thirty-eight
offices (how many individuals is anyone guess) can simultaneously access the
SQL data. The process is very fast, reliable, never over-write someone's
entry and is not prone to data loss when the connections are dropped.

I am glad you stated the rest as fantasy. Methods very similarly to this are
used on the web all the time. I am never concerned about losing my purchase
amount. Actually I wouldn't mind if they would, just send the product.

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 11:27 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!


<rant>
I don't feel like rekindling any bound/unbound wars, so instead I'll try
another tack. The problem is disconnected recordsets, which are very cool if
the liklihood of simultaneous updates of a row is remote. In fact, it's not
so much a database problem as a business practices problem, IMO. What the
hell are two people updating the same row for? There's a problem here and it
doesn't concern the database; it concerns the workflow, which by definition
is outside the specifications. OTOH, excellent arguments from the db folk
occasionally persuade management that the problem is indeed outside the db,
and should be addressed by someone other than you.
</rant>

<reality>
Given that you must prevent simultaneous updates of a set of rows, and given
that you have taken the unbound path, without a massive rewrite I think your
quickest option is to revisit all the recordset declarations, setting
Pessimism TRUE in your rs.open() arguments. This effectively offloads the
problem to the db, which is good, since it won't allow your users to
overwrite each other even if your app in theory does. (That's why I always
put all the smarts into sprocs and rules and such, rather than coding them
in Access. Then, even if your app is buggy, it doesn't matter:-) Lock it all
down with pessimistic recordsets and go from there. You can probably visit
every occurenece with a project-wide search, and paste the revised string
in.
</reality>

<fantasy>
I'm having difficulty coming up with an example where multiple users would
want to update the same rows. A wife and husband are both phoning to
complain about a VISA charge? Three employees are calling from Client X to
revise the purchase quantities in the details of OrderID 2345?

Multiple people updating identical rows = a workflow problem, IMO. In a
well-designed workflow, this should never occur.

Making this point at your next meeting, you are given a 100% salary boost,
several opportunities for sex with strangers, and the pleasure of watching
the entire organization reconfigure itself to your insights. Suddenly they
appreciate how brilliant you are and shape their enterprise around you.
Billions at stake, all on your mind.
</fantasy>

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Tewksbury
Sent: May 2, 2003 10:16 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!


Can Anyone Help Me?

I have built a client server application using .adp front end and SQL Server
back end.  Within the application itself I use unbound forms and retrieve
records using ADO recordsets at run time.  The way I have initially deployed
the application is to copy an instance of the .adp to each desktop and run
it locally.  The problem has been that people keep overwriting each other's
updates - and changes are not reflected fast enough.

I have a couple of different thoughts on how to tackle this - either ratchet
down the ODBC refresh rate, or run a single, centralized copy of the .adp
(which throws up some non-updateable warning every time it starts which I
don't know how to suppress).  Of course, I acknowledge that I am a total
newbie, and both of these options may be flawed.

Thanks a bunch,

- Sherri





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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  2 18:06:18 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 18:06:18 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Access VB question
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D829FC@main2.marlow.com>

Yes, but that only sets whether the shift key bypasses the startup or not.
It doesn't actually trigger it.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:27 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access VB question


If you could someone set the Access database setting the AllowBypassKey
property before you try to open it in VB? Do you have to disable it from
inside VB?
 
Susan H. 


I may be mistaken, but nothing in that code bypasses the startup stuff. 
 
Drew


 

Does anyone know how to programmatically open an access database in VB,
bypassing the startup options?  

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  2 18:06:33 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 18:06:33 -0500 
Subject: Bruce Bruen's email Client   Was: RE: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&
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Bingo...at least for me!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Bruen [mailto:bbruen at bigpond.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:33 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Re: Bruce Bruen's email Client Was: RE: [AccessD] OT:
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Bugger!

How about now - I've jigged a few options.

Tia
 Bruce

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 8:19 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
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The attachment is plain text, but the email is showing up as an
attachment still.

Drew

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From harkins at iglou.com  Fri May  2 18:21:20 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 19:21:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access VB question
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D829FC@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <002101c31101$8c86f480$afe6ffcc@SusanOne>

Access VB questionI know, but without giving it too much thought, I thought it might be a place to start -- don't really know what the real problem is. 

Susan H. 


  Yes, but that only sets whether the shift key bypasses the startup or not.  It doesn't actually trigger it.

  Drew
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com]
    Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:27 PM
    To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access VB question


    If you could someone set the Access database setting the AllowBypassKey property before you try to open it in VB? Do you have to disable it from inside VB?

    Susan H. 

      I may be mistaken, but nothing in that code bypasses the startup stuff. 

      Drew

         
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  2 18:30:54 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 18:30:54 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Access VB question
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D829FE@main2.marlow.com>

I didn't write the original post, but it said the issue was opening an
instance of Access, with VB/VBA, and then opening a database, without the
startup running.
 
As far as I know, there are only two ways to do this.  One method is to
disable the startup from with the database itself.  ie, have it look for a
specific flag in a record, or have it check for a specific command line
argument, so that when it starts, the startup code checks that 'trigger',
and then stops...effectively 'bypassing' the startup stuff.  The other
method is to actually open the database and use a 'sendkeys' approach to
have the shift key held when the code opens the database.  
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 6:21 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access VB question


I know, but without giving it too much thought, I thought it might be a
place to start -- don't really know what the real problem is. 
 
Susan H. 

 

Yes, but that only sets whether the shift key bypasses the startup or not.
It doesn't actually trigger it.
 
Drew

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From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:27 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access VB question


If you could someone set the Access database setting the AllowBypassKey
property before you try to open it in VB? Do you have to disable it from
inside VB?
 
Susan H. 


I may be mistaken, but nothing in that code bypasses the startup stuff. 
 
Drew


 

Does anyone know how to programmatically open an access database in VB,
bypassing the startup options?  



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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri May  2 18:33:58 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 09:33:58 +1000
Subject: Record Locking - was RE: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!
In-Reply-To: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F877EA@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <3EB38D06.6408.327065@localhost>

On 2 May 2003 at 9:50, Wortz, Charles wrote:

> Marcus,
> 
> If more than one person is trying to update the same record at the
> same time, it sounds as if you have poor business procedures in place.
>  In an organized organization two or more people do not to try to
> update the same record at the same time!
> 

I can think of lots of examples to the contrary.

One obvious one - multiple operators recording  manufacturing 
processes which use the same raw materials (I have one paint 
manufactuing client where this applies). 



 
-- 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri May  2 18:33:58 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 09:33:58 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Phew....made it....
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D829EE@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <3EB38D06.4469.327015@localhost>

On 2 May 2003 at 10:52, Drew Wutka wrote:

> Very funny.  Actually, while I was growing up, everyone thought I was
> going to be a Pastor when I grew up.  However, after High School, my
> career path went musician, to nuclear mechanic, to general mechanic,
> to computer geek. Now my brother (who everyone thought was going to be
> a musician) is now in Gettysburg, PA going to Seminary.  Go figure.
> 

It's not too late:
http://www.ulc.org

Cheers,
The Reverend Stuart  <g>




From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri May  2 19:18:24 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 17:18:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging
Message-ID: <00b201c31109$834c7630$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Dear List:

I have a report that consists of eight sub reports.  Each sub-report can be of a different length.  Each sub-report has a report header with some descriptive text.  

The problem is that the main report page breaks in odd places sometimes even cutting a line of the subreport in half horizontally!

I can, of course, insert an invisible page break between each sub-report and make it visible if I'm close to the bottom of the page.  But I don't know how to know, during the printing of the sub-report, where I am on the main report.

Anybody got any ideas?

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
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From harkins at iglou.com  Fri May  2 19:39:13 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 20:39:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access VB question
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D829FE@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <003501c3110c$717971d0$afe6ffcc@SusanOne>

Access VB question One method is to disable the startup from with the database itself.  ie, have it look for a specific flag in a record, or have it check for a specific command line argument, so that when it starts, the startup code checks that 'trigger', and then stops...effectively 'bypassing' the startup stuff.  

========Exactly, but what I'm suggesting is that the problem may need a change of strategy.... some "trigger" within the db itself that knows when to reset the check -- such a "clue" may not exist. 

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From artful at rogers.com  Fri May  2 20:07:33 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 21:07:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)
In-Reply-To: <000001c310e7$f0410a70$de1811d8@DanWaters>
Message-ID: <005701c31110$60dde690$8e01a8c0@Rock>

Well here we go into uncharted waters. Certain publications by MS suggest
that unbound forms are the way to go. I vigourously dispute this. I think
that bound forms tied to sprocs are the way to go. Then you can sidestep a
zillion unbound-form problems. But here I go proselitizing bound forms when
that was not my original intention.

IMO, and that's all it is, I don't claim expertise only experience, bind
your forms to sprocs. Recently I learned a cool trick which lets me pass
arguments like "All", "All" to various forms, reports &c. Everything works
from sprocs. Recordsets open their stuff pessismistically. This is a simple
argument to the rs.Open method. Let intelliSense do your typing :-)

IME you're far better off to go with boound forms and pessimistic logic than
unbound disconnected recordsets, given the logic of your scenario. Which I
would question, but that's a side issue.


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: May 2, 2003 4:18 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)


Arthur,

The databases I design typically handle some type of QA process in a
manufacturing environment.  One of the advantages of using an electronic
system over a paper form system is the ability for people to work
(almost) in parallel - which leads to the real occurrence of simultaneous
updates.  So, I always use pessimistic locking, and on the one process where
people felt slowed down, I installed a timer on that form so that it closed
after 5 minutes with no activity, releasing the locks on the table (that was
in A97).

I am starting to look at upsizing this db to SQL 2000.  From what I
understand, I may not be able to use pessimistic locking the same way that I
did in AXP.  

If this is the case, what is the best way to duplicate the pessimistic
locking behavior of AXP in SQL 2K?

Thanks,
Dan Waters


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 12:27 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!


<rant>
I don't feel like rekindling any bound/unbound wars, so instead I'll try
another tack. The problem is disconnected recordsets, which are very cool if
the liklihood of simultaneous updates of a row is remote. In fact, it's not
so much a database problem as a business practices problem, IMO. What the
hell are two people updating the same row for? There's a problem here and it
doesn't concern the database; it concerns the workflow, which by definition
is outside the specifications. OTOH, excellent arguments from the db folk
occasionally persuade management that the problem is indeed outside the db,
and should be addressed by someone other than you. </rant>

<reality>
Given that you must prevent simultaneous updates of a set of rows, and given
that you have taken the unbound path, without a massive rewrite I think your
quickest option is to revisit all the recordset declarations, setting
Pessimism TRUE in your rs.open() arguments. This effectively offloads the
problem to the db, which is good, since it won't allow your users to
overwrite each other even if your app in theory does. (That's why I always
put all the smarts into sprocs and rules and such, rather than coding them
in Access. Then, even if your app is buggy, it doesn't
matter:-) Lock it all down with pessimistic recordsets and go from there.
You can probably visit every occurenece with a project-wide search, and
paste the revised string in. </reality>

<fantasy>
I'm having difficulty coming up with an example where multiple users would
want to update the same rows. A wife and husband are both phoning to
complain about a VISA charge? Three employees are calling from Client X to
revise the purchase quantities in the details of OrderID 2345?

Multiple people updating identical rows = a workflow problem, IMO. In a
well-designed workflow, this should never occur.

Making this point at your next meeting, you are given a 100% salary boost,
several opportunities for sex with strangers, and the pleasure of watching
the entire organization reconfigure itself to your insights. Suddenly they
appreciate how brilliant you are and shape their enterprise around you.
Billions at stake, all on your mind. </fantasy>

Arthur

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Tewksbury
Sent: May 2, 2003 10:16 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!


Can Anyone Help Me?

I have built a client server application using .adp front end and SQL Server
back end.  Within the application itself I use unbound forms and retrieve
records using ADO recordsets at run time.  The way I have initially deployed
the application is to copy an instance of the .adp to each desktop and run
it locally.  The problem has been that people keep overwriting each other's
updates - and changes are not reflected fast enough.

I have a couple of different thoughts on how to tackle this - either ratchet
down the ODBC refresh rate, or run a single, centralized copy of the .adp
(which throws up some non-updateable warning every time it starts which I
don't know how to suppress).  Of course, I acknowledge that I am a total
newbie, and both of these options may be flawed.

Thanks a bunch,

- Sherri





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From artful at rogers.com  Fri May  2 20:17:41 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 21:17:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Phew....made it....
In-Reply-To: <3EB38D06.4469.327015@localhost>
Message-ID: <005801c31111$cb541f70$8e01a8c0@Rock>

Fuller's Third Law: whatever you study will not be the way you make your
living.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: May 2, 2003 7:34 PM
To: Drew Wutka; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Phew....made it....


On 2 May 2003 at 10:52, Drew Wutka wrote:

> Very funny.  Actually, while I was growing up, everyone thought I was 
> going to be a Pastor when I grew up.  However, after High School, my 
> career path went musician, to nuclear mechanic, to general mechanic, 
> to computer geek. Now my brother (who everyone thought was going to be 
> a musician) is now in Gettysburg, PA going to Seminary.  Go figure.
> 



From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  2 20:21:08 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 20:21:08 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Access VB question
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82A00@main2.marlow.com>

Okay, I am going to explain what's going on with this article in an email,
don't have time right now to do it within the Word document.  First of all,
I appreciate the comments, it is definitely a learning experience.
 
Next, this is a hack....it is something Microsoft has never published, and
was a pain to figure out, but I did figure it out.  That is the reason for
the term 'trick', because this is most definitely a trick, not something
microsoft had in mind for design.  Let me explain what is going on, so you
understand the logic behind this whole thing.
 
FrontPage is a web page editor.  Web pages are just HTML, so you can just
use Notepad.  Because of that, FP needs features that are more difficult to
perform by hand, so that it sells.  On such feature is it's Navigation
(which would be a noun, just like VBE, it's a component of FP, which makes
it an object.).  The navigation is pretty simple to use.  When you are
building a site within FrontPage, you can simply drag your pages into the
Navigation structure, and it keeps track of it.  It keeps track of it WITHIN
the structure.cnf file (for that particular site.....so if it is a local
site, or you are publishing the site without FP extensions, then the
structure.cnf is going to be on your local machine....if you are using an
IIS server (which I think should be called just that.....since IIS is just a
service ON a server.), and have FP extensions installed, then the
structure.cnf is located on the IIS server itself.
 
Now, FP uses the Navigation strictly for Navigation bars.  These navigation
bars are built by web bots, and use the data within structure.cnf.  For
example, if you go to www.marlow.com <http://www.marlow.com> , you'll see an
example of a navigation bar.  The 'links' on the home page a 'built' from
FP's navigation.  If I go into FrontPage and rearrange the navigation, the
navigation bars automatically reflect the changes made.  Pretty handy.
Front page does let you programmatically mess with the Navigation stuff,
however that's only when YOUR FP is open.  If someone else makes a change to
the site, code on your machine won't pick that up.  Now, since FP uses
structure.cnf to store the information on how the Navigation is structured,
it was simply a matter of finding that (friggin <grin>) file.  That was no
easy matter.  To begin with, it's a hidden file...really hidden, and if I
didn't have direct access to our IIS server, I probably never would have
found it.  Next, the file extension is tricky.  Even when I found the
appropriate folder, I couldn't directly open the file, which makes it
difficult to find out if a file is the right file or not.  That's why I
explained how to open it.  I many people are 'experienced' with Notepad,
however, I have NEVER seen a file act like this one, ever before.
Typically, if you find a file, that has an extension that you want to open
it with something else, then you can right click (or shift right click) and
you'll get the 'Open With' option.  This did NOT do this.  .cnf is a special
file extension that Windows Explorer uses a special shortcut menu for.  It's
odd.
 
In reality, if the user has an IIS server, and FP extensions, they can just
use the code...it's that simple.  However, I figured it would make a better
article if information on how to 'hack' or how it was 'hacked' was provided.
There are other perks you can receive once you understand how FP's
Navigation uses this file.  For instance, the Navigation won't let you put
the same page into it twice.  However, with direct access to the file, and
understanding how the file works, you CAN add the same page to the
navigation structure as many times as you want.  (This is really handy if
you have an ASP page that you want shown in the navigation at several
junctures......)
 
So, in conclusion, the .asp code reads the structure.cnf file that is
already located on the web server.  (If it's a 'published' site, then the
file needs to be uploaded to the root, which means that it's not entirely
dynamic, since it requires that manual upload.)  Assuming this is a complete
M$ setup, with an IIS server, FP, etc.  Just dropping the sitemap.asp file
on the the websites root will provide a sitemap for that web site.  The code
automatically reads the file, and builds a structure containing links to all
of the pages within the Navigation structure.
 
Let me know if that changes any of your comments/suggestions (It should for
some of the technical stuff).  If you have more questions, let me know.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 7:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access VB question


 One method is to disable the startup from with the database itself.  ie,
have it look for a specific flag in a record, or have it check for a
specific command line argument, so that when it starts, the startup code
checks that 'trigger', and then stops...effectively 'bypassing' the startup
stuff.  
 
========Exactly, but what I'm suggesting is that the problem may need a
change of strategy.... some "trigger" within the db itself that knows when
to reset the check -- such a "clue" may not exist. 
 
Susan H. 

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri May  2 20:53:10 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 18:53:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access VB question
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D829F7@main2.marlow.com>
 <004001c310f9$e648aed0$b8e6ffcc@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <3EB32106.5060208@shaw.ca>

You can do it programmetically from outside the mdb
see
http://www.mvps.org/access/general/gen0040.htm
 Securing AllowBypassKey or menu bars etc.
Note if you set the fourth argument of createproperty to true only Admin 
user can change
This not shown in the help file.

    db.Properties.Delete stPropName
    Set prp = db.CreateProperty(stPropName, _
     PropType, vPropVal, True)
    db.Properties.Append prp


Susan Harkins wrote:

> If you could someone set the Access database setting the 
> AllowBypassKey property before you try to open it in VB? Do you have 
> to disable it from inside VB?
>  
> Susan H.
>
>     I may be mistaken, but nothing in that code bypasses the startup
>     stuff.
>      
>     Drew
>
>
>          
>
>             Does anyone know how to programmatically open an access
>             database in VB, bypassing the startup options? 
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri May  2 21:05:59 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 19:05:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)
In-Reply-To: <005701c31110$60dde690$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFAEIFCHAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Athur:

I am sure not going to change your opinion or will I try. From my
experience, judging by our years in the business, are equivalent; plus 25
years. My first experience with ADO and Access started with Access97. One
client was having weird data problems and about two weeks of data was lost
before panic set in.

The problem was discovered to be a bound Access MDB, always left on by some
of the office personnel, the remote system support staff doing fixes and
forcing auto-server reboots and a backup over-lapping once a week...

We made the bold move to go to an ADO-OLE middle tier and a SQL7 BE. This is
where I discovered how to use recordsets. For the last five years, I have
been using the same model. A client has never lost a record to over-write,
line connection drop, system crashes using the design model I have been
using. I would not be able to say that if I was using the persistent
connection model.

No web application would ever be able to use the persistent connection
method. The standard method is to store the 'session' id with the selected
record and there fore marking the records as locked. By default, if 15
minutes goes by and the transaction is not finished, the session id is
cleared from the record along with the session. If a bound model could even
be implemented on the web, too much resources would be consumed considering
hit levels could exceed a thousand per hour.

The bound model may be a perfect choice for a smaller local site but unbound
model for medium and large WAN sites is not an option. MS are not always
wrong.

IMO
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 6:08 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)


Well here we go into uncharted waters. Certain publications by MS suggest
that unbound forms are the way to go. I vigourously dispute this. I think
that bound forms tied to sprocs are the way to go. Then you can sidestep a
zillion unbound-form problems. But here I go proselitizing bound forms when
that was not my original intention.

IMO, and that's all it is, I don't claim expertise only experience, bind
your forms to sprocs. Recently I learned a cool trick which lets me pass
arguments like "All", "All" to various forms, reports &c. Everything works
from sprocs. Recordsets open their stuff pessismistically. This is a simple
argument to the rs.Open method. Let intelliSense do your typing :-)

IME you're far better off to go with boound forms and pessimistic logic than
unbound disconnected recordsets, given the logic of your scenario. Which I
would question, but that's a side issue.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: May 2, 2003 4:18 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)


Arthur,

The databases I design typically handle some type of QA process in a
manufacturing environment.  One of the advantages of using an electronic
system over a paper form system is the ability for people to work
(almost) in parallel - which leads to the real occurrence of simultaneous
updates.  So, I always use pessimistic locking, and on the one process where
people felt slowed down, I installed a timer on that form so that it closed
after 5 minutes with no activity, releasing the locks on the table (that was
in A97).

I am starting to look at upsizing this db to SQL 2000.  From what I
understand, I may not be able to use pessimistic locking the same way that I
did in AXP.

If this is the case, what is the best way to duplicate the pessimistic
locking behavior of AXP in SQL 2K?

Thanks,
Dan Waters


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 12:27 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!


<rant>
I don't feel like rekindling any bound/unbound wars, so instead I'll try
another tack. The problem is disconnected recordsets, which are very cool if
the liklihood of simultaneous updates of a row is remote. In fact, it's not
so much a database problem as a business practices problem, IMO. What the
hell are two people updating the same row for? There's a problem here and it
doesn't concern the database; it concerns the workflow, which by definition
is outside the specifications. OTOH, excellent arguments from the db folk
occasionally persuade management that the problem is indeed outside the db,
and should be addressed by someone other than you. </rant>

<reality>
Given that you must prevent simultaneous updates of a set of rows, and given
that you have taken the unbound path, without a massive rewrite I think your
quickest option is to revisit all the recordset declarations, setting
Pessimism TRUE in your rs.open() arguments. This effectively offloads the
problem to the db, which is good, since it won't allow your users to
overwrite each other even if your app in theory does. (That's why I always
put all the smarts into sprocs and rules and such, rather than coding them
in Access. Then, even if your app is buggy, it doesn't
matter:-) Lock it all down with pessimistic recordsets and go from there.
You can probably visit every occurenece with a project-wide search, and
paste the revised string in. </reality>

<fantasy>
I'm having difficulty coming up with an example where multiple users would
want to update the same rows. A wife and husband are both phoning to
complain about a VISA charge? Three employees are calling from Client X to
revise the purchase quantities in the details of OrderID 2345?

Multiple people updating identical rows = a workflow problem, IMO. In a
well-designed workflow, this should never occur.

Making this point at your next meeting, you are given a 100% salary boost,
several opportunities for sex with strangers, and the pleasure of watching
the entire organization reconfigure itself to your insights. Suddenly they
appreciate how brilliant you are and shape their enterprise around you.
Billions at stake, all on your mind. </fantasy>

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Tewksbury
Sent: May 2, 2003 10:16 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!


Can Anyone Help Me?

I have built a client server application using .adp front end and SQL Server
back end.  Within the application itself I use unbound forms and retrieve
records using ADO recordsets at run time.  The way I have initially deployed
the application is to copy an instance of the .adp to each desktop and run
it locally.  The problem has been that people keep overwriting each other's
updates - and changes are not reflected fast enough.

I have a couple of different thoughts on how to tackle this - either ratchet
down the ODBC refresh rate, or run a single, centralized copy of the .adp
(which throws up some non-updateable warning every time it starts which I
don't know how to suppress).  Of course, I acknowledge that I am a total
newbie, and both of these options may be flawed.

Thanks a bunch,

- Sherri





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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May  2 21:21:08 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 22:21:08 -0400
Subject: Bruce Bruen's email Client   Was: RE: [AccessD]
	OT:^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@
In-Reply-To: <002601c310f6$f66d3fe0$be75fea9@bbb888>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEECLDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Bruce,

Are you saying that using certs somehow bypasses the prompt for "do you
really really really want to..."?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 6:06 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Re: Bruce Bruen's email Client Was: RE: [AccessD]
OT:^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


Hmmmm..

I thought I was sending plain text. I am using Outlook XP (no mail
server)

The other day I was asking about invoking VBA procedures automatically,
during that time I came across the same feature as John Colby - the so
called outlook object model security.  During my investigation of this I
created a verisign cert and an office self cert so I could get my
outlook code to run without lowering the outlook (xp) security level.

The cert I am now usiinng should be the self cert and I therefore
presumed that it wasn't being sent.

This reply should be plain text -- if it isnt please tell me ( and how
to fix it if possible)

Sorry for the inconvenience -
Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mitsules,
Mark
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 12:46 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: OT: Re: Bruce Bruen's email Client Was: RE: [AccessD] OT:
^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


Bruce,

...just curious, no flames intended, honestly, but what email client are
you using, what format are you sending your emails, and what, if
anything else are you attaching when you post to AccessD?  The reason I
ask is because with my Win2K/Outlook2K2 setup, the emails I receive from
you are 3 levels deep.  The first consists of the AccessD footer and 1
attachment ("Untitled
Attachment") with no "body".  When I open the "Untitled Attachment",
there is another blank email consisting of 2 more attachments
("ATT2303090.txt" and "smime.p7s").  If I open the "smime.p7s"
attachment, it appears to be a certificate...(which I have no problem
with).  The actual content of your email is in the "ATT2303090.txt"
attachment...whoohoo!

My question is this, is there some setting on MY machine that I can set
so it will just interpret all of this mess as just a plain textual email
response?


Thanks to all for any suggestions,


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Bruen [mailto:bbruen at bigpond.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 10:17 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May  2 21:38:51 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 22:38:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] archive bit
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIECMDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Does anyone know if the archive bit is set when a file is opened?  IOW, can
I xcopy a dir, clearing the archive bit.  Then only the files opened since
the last copy will have the archive bit set the next time and thus only
those need to be xcopied.

(poorman's backup)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Fri May  2 21:48:39 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 22:48:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] archive bit
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIECMDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3EB2F5C7.3260.1198902@localhost>

On 2 May 2003 at 22:38, John Colby wrote:

> Does anyone know if the archive bit is set when a file is opened? 
> IOW, can I xcopy a dir, clearing the archive bit.  Then only the files
> opened since the last copy will have the archive bit set the next time
> and thus only those need to be xcopied.

No. I'm pretty sure the archive bit when the file is saved.

Opening and closing doesn't reset it.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
We're all here because we're not all there.

From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May  2 22:02:18 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 23:02:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] archive bit
In-Reply-To: <3EB2F5C7.3260.1198902@localhost>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEECNDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Just ran a test.  The archive bit is set when a word doc is opened and
MODIFIED and then saved.  just opening it does not set the archive bit.

Thus I built a Backup.bat batch file with the following:

xcopy d:\dev e:\Backup\dev /E /Y /C /M /I
xcopy d:\C2DbClientBilling e:\Backup\C2DbClientBilling /E /Y /C /M /I
xcopy d:\Clients e:\Backup\Clients /E /Y /C /M /I
xcopy d:\COLBYCONSULTING e:\Backup\COLBYCONSULTING /E /Y /C /M /I
xcopy d:\ColbyConsultingWebNew e:\Backup\ColbyConsultingWebNew /E /Y /C /M
/I
xcopy d:\NVFCNew e:\Backup\NVFCNew /E /Y /C /M /I
xcopy d:\Projects e:\Backup\Projects /E /Y /C /M /I

Which copies the contents of all of these directories to directories of the
same name under the dir E:\Backup, clearing the archive bit in the process.
Only files MODIFIED after that copy will be copied the next time the batch
file is run.

Now I need to figure out the scheduler and place the batch file to run daily
~ 3:00 am.  Thus all of my business stuff will be copied to another physical
disk so that if the disk dies, I lose at most one day's work.  If the place
burns down... I file an insurance claim and hit the beach.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bryan
Carbonnell
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 10:49 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] archive bit


On 2 May 2003 at 22:38, John Colby wrote:

> Does anyone know if the archive bit is set when a file is opened?
> IOW, can I xcopy a dir, clearing the archive bit.  Then only the files
> opened since the last copy will have the archive bit set the next time
> and thus only those need to be xcopied.

No. I'm pretty sure the archive bit when the file is saved.

Opening and closing doesn't reset it.

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From tracy at ak.planet.gen.nz  Fri May  2 23:48:00 2003
From: tracy at ak.planet.gen.nz (Tracy)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 16:48:00 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEBADKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <004501c3112f$2fd83720$9a4114ca@Notebook>

This is wht we LOVE computers !!!!


Cheers Tracy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 1:56 AM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


> Well, today my NTLDR wouldn't!  Or wasn't, depending on who you talked to!
>
> I never did get it back, but after 4 hours of trying I had succeeded in
> getting a floppy to boot (I had a weird boot config as well) and then
> succeeded in getting Office apps to run windows setup every time they
> loaded, trashed IE and so forth and so on.
>
> So... I went down, bought a new 120mb hard disk, and started over.  I did
> this of course so that I didn't overwrite anything (else) in the process
of
> getting windows working again.  Installed Win2kSP.  Of course no network,
> video, sound and most critically drivers for the Promise100 IDE 3/4 where
my
> old disks now reside.  More hours searching for CDs and floppies for those
> things, searching the internet (on my other computer - thank GOD for "the
> other computer").
>
> Of course I then spent several hours applying service packs, reloading O2K
> (only, so far), Norton utilities, NAV, and am still in the process of
> re-installing everything I can think of that I used to have.  The weird
> thing is that I have my outlook.pst, but that apparently doesn't have the
> personalized settings in it for things like rules, signature, etc.
>
> Anyway, still loading stuff!
>
> WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A
PITA!WHAT
> A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A
> PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!
>
> My question to you kind folks, where the (*&%)%$#!@ are rules / sig and
the
> like kept for Outlook?
>
> It seems like you would just copy the entire jcolby user and be back with
> all that kind of stuff.  The problem of course is that there is stuff in
> there for programs that don't exist (at least in the same place) etc.
>
> Sigh!
>
> John W. Colby
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat May  3 00:02:27 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 22:02:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] archive bit
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEECNDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFMEIGCHAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

John:

That sounds like the easy part after figuring out all the appropriate xcopy
parameters and directories. I had been wondering why my Windows98 system
would suddenly run slow, it is an old box, so I assumed there was some file
bleeding all over the place. Just checked the schedular and low and behold,
the McAfee virus scanning routine had placed it's self there to check for an
update at a regular interval...EVERY 5 MINUTES!!! :-|

Well thanks for bring up the subject or it might have been months until I
found it.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 8:02 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] archive bit


Just ran a test.  The archive bit is set when a word doc is opened and
MODIFIED and then saved.  just opening it does not set the archive bit.

Thus I built a Backup.bat batch file with the following:

xcopy d:\dev e:\Backup\dev /E /Y /C /M /I
xcopy d:\C2DbClientBilling e:\Backup\C2DbClientBilling /E /Y /C /M /I
xcopy d:\Clients e:\Backup\Clients /E /Y /C /M /I
xcopy d:\COLBYCONSULTING e:\Backup\COLBYCONSULTING /E /Y /C /M /I
xcopy d:\ColbyConsultingWebNew e:\Backup\ColbyConsultingWebNew /E /Y /C /M
/I
xcopy d:\NVFCNew e:\Backup\NVFCNew /E /Y /C /M /I
xcopy d:\Projects e:\Backup\Projects /E /Y /C /M /I

Which copies the contents of all of these directories to directories of the
same name under the dir E:\Backup, clearing the archive bit in the process.
Only files MODIFIED after that copy will be copied the next time the batch
file is run.

Now I need to figure out the scheduler and place the batch file to run daily
~ 3:00 am.  Thus all of my business stuff will be copied to another physical
disk so that if the disk dies, I lose at most one day's work.  If the place
burns down... I file an insurance claim and hit the beach.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bryan
Carbonnell
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 10:49 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] archive bit


On 2 May 2003 at 22:38, John Colby wrote:

> Does anyone know if the archive bit is set when a file is opened?
> IOW, can I xcopy a dir, clearing the archive bit.  Then only the files
> opened since the last copy will have the archive bit set the next time
> and thus only those need to be xcopied.

No. I'm pretty sure the archive bit when the file is saved.

Opening and closing doesn't reset it.

--
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From tracy at ak.planet.gen.nz  Sat May  3 00:04:24 2003
From: tracy at ak.planet.gen.nz (Tracy)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 17:04:24 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Calling Arthur: MySQL Guru
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEECNDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <011a01c31131$782c3a60$9a4114ca@Notebook>

Hi Arthur
Thought I'd pick your brains again.
What method do you use to check and relink (if necessary) the MyODBC
connection that points to the database being used by the Access frontend ?

When first linking I noticed a different dialog box came up...so can I
presume(?) that the way the files are linked (as opposed to an mdb file)
within Access are different ?

A steer in the right direction would be appreciated.

Cheers Tracy



From pcs at azizaz.com  Sat May  3 00:21:20 2003
From: pcs at azizaz.com (Borge Steen Hansen)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 15:21:20 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] How disable scroll wheel on mouse
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEBADKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
	<004501c3112f$2fd83720$9a4114ca@Notebook>
Message-ID: <01bd01c31133$d5d0efb0$be0e90cb@prosys.local>

I've been subscribed for a couple of months due to other commitments.
Now back again, I see all the well known names contributing to this superb
list forum.

And Drew is still working 25/7 or so it appears!

Well, to the question I hope you can help me with:

I'm working with bound Forms (Access97) and I use a function to trap all
keyboard strokes that would otherwise move the user off the current record
and a possibly unwanted Save...
Now the scroll wheel on some mouse / (mice?) has entered the scene and
creates unwanted Saves (often in a situation where the user is only half
finished entering data).....

So, is there a way to disable "da scroolling veal"??

Cheers
Borge Hansen
Gold Coast City, Australia


From hsimpson88 at hotmail.com  Sat May  3 02:12:59 2003
From: hsimpson88 at hotmail.com (Henry Simpson)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 01:12:59 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!
Message-ID: <Sea2-F211XXXc87sj150004810a@hotmail.com>

Arthur:

You did some concert booking at come point.  How did you manage concurrent 
attempts to reserve the same seats (records?) in a hall, for transportation 
and hotel rooms.  There are concerts where 20 - 30,000 seats are booked in a 
matter of hours and some kind of software layer that feeds non overlapping 
blocks of seats to a number of terminals must be provided by software so 
each booking terminal could present a range of seat selections.  It seems to 
me that block allocation of the declining available records is an aspect of 
workflow that is the responsibility of the application developer.  In an 
airline scenario, where you have thousands of agents who might be 
simultaneously contending for a small block of seats, is there a trivial 
work flow solution?

I would think that the only other way to work disconnected is verify that 
all the record fields contain the same data at the server as at the client 
before committing an update or to write a lock flag to a record (with a 
date/time stamp) that is automatically cleared by some kind of bot 
application if a reservation isn't committed within a specified time span.  
For consistency, you could have the client pull the time from a server table 
(updated every few seconds?) and have the bot clear any stamps that are 
future times.

Hen




>From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!
>Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 14:26:42 -0400
>
><rant>
>I don't feel like rekindling any bound/unbound wars, so instead I'll try
>another tack. The problem is disconnected recordsets, which are very cool 
>if
>the liklihood of simultaneous updates of a row is remote. In fact, it's not
>so much a database problem as a business practices problem, IMO. What the
>hell are two people updating the same row for? There's a problem here and 
>it
>doesn't concern the database; it concerns the workflow, which by definition
>is outside the specifications. OTOH, excellent arguments from the db folk
>occasionally persuade management that the problem is indeed outside the db,
>and should be addressed by someone other than you.
></rant>
>
><reality>
>Given that you must prevent simultaneous updates of a set of rows, and 
>given
>that you have taken the unbound path, without a massive rewrite I think 
>your
>quickest option is to revisit all the recordset declarations, setting
>Pessimism TRUE in your rs.open() arguments. This effectively offloads the
>problem to the db, which is good, since it won't allow your users to
>overwrite each other even if your app in theory does. (That's why I always
>put all the smarts into sprocs and rules and such, rather than coding them
>in Access. Then, even if your app is buggy, it doesn't matter:-) Lock it 
>all
>down with pessimistic recordsets and go from there. You can probably visit
>every occurenece with a project-wide search, and paste the revised string
>in.
></reality>
>
><fantasy>
>I'm having difficulty coming up with an example where multiple users would
>want to update the same rows. A wife and husband are both phoning to
>complain about a VISA charge? Three employees are calling from Client X to
>revise the purchase quantities in the details of OrderID 2345?
>
>Multiple people updating identical rows = a workflow problem, IMO. In a
>well-designed workflow, this should never occur.
>
>Making this point at your next meeting, you are given a 100% salary boost,
>several opportunities for sex with strangers, and the pleasure of watching
>the entire organization reconfigure itself to your insights. Suddenly they
>appreciate how brilliant you are and shape their enterprise around you.
>Billions at stake, all on your mind.
></fantasy>
>
>Arthur
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Tewksbury
>Sent: May 2, 2003 10:16 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!
>
>
>Can Anyone Help Me?
>
>I have built a client server application using .adp front end and SQL 
>Server
>back end.  Within the application itself I use unbound forms and retrieve
>records using ADO recordsets at run time.  The way I have initially 
>deployed
>the application is to copy an instance of the .adp to each desktop and run
>it locally.  The problem has been that people keep overwriting each other's
>updates - and changes are not reflected fast enough.
>
>I have a couple of different thoughts on how to tackle this - either 
>ratchet
>down the ODBC refresh rate, or run a single, centralized copy of the .adp
>(which throws up some non-updateable warning every time it starts which I
>don't know how to suppress).  Of course, I acknowledge that I am a total
>newbie, and both of these options may be flawed.
>
>Thanks a bunch,
>
>- Sherri



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From artful at rogers.com  Sat May  3 07:10:38 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 08:10:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!
In-Reply-To: <Sea2-F211XXXc87sj150004810a@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <007b01c3116d$0233c300$8e01a8c0@Rock>

To be sure, there are apps such as those you describe, where sales reps are
contending for tickets or seats or whatever. The way I handled it in the
concert app was this: every physical ticket was one row in a table, complete
with a gate, row and seat ID. To simplify the data-entry I wrote a form that
would let someone create blocks of tickets very quickly (i.e. gate 7, row 1,
seats 1-50, &c.) This was necessary because the sales people would have to
assign contiguous tickets where possible, and I never could come up with an
algorithm that would understand the asssignment contingencies the way peple
do intuitively. For example, if you don't have 4 adjacent seats but you do
have two pairs -- seats 1 and 2 in rows 7 and 8 -- that will do. After that
was done, a multi-select listbox was all the front end required (plus a
timer that released the locks after 5 minutes unless the sale was
completed).

Anyway, your point is valid. That's why I went to the seat=row model. There
was no other way that I could see to avoid contention. Even then there was
still a possibility, so we locked the rows the moment they were selected.
And we didn't have thousands of users selecting seats :-)

A.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Henry Simpson
Sent: May 3, 2003 3:13 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!


Arthur:

You did some concert booking at come point.  How did you manage concurrent 
attempts to reserve the same seats (records?) in a hall, for transportation 
and hotel rooms.  There are concerts where 20 - 30,000 seats are booked in a

matter of hours and some kind of software layer that feeds non overlapping 
blocks of seats to a number of terminals must be provided by software so 
each booking terminal could present a range of seat selections.  It seems to

me that block allocation of the declining available records is an aspect of 
workflow that is the responsibility of the application developer.  In an 
airline scenario, where you have thousands of agents who might be 
simultaneously contending for a small block of seats, is there a trivial 
work flow solution?

I would think that the only other way to work disconnected is verify that 
all the record fields contain the same data at the server as at the client 
before committing an update or to write a lock flag to a record (with a 
date/time stamp) that is automatically cleared by some kind of bot 
application if a reservation isn't committed within a specified time span.  
For consistency, you could have the client pull the time from a server table

(updated every few seconds?) and have the bot clear any stamps that are 
future times.

Hen




>From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!
>Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 14:26:42 -0400
>
><rant>
>I don't feel like rekindling any bound/unbound wars, so instead I'll 
>try another tack. The problem is disconnected recordsets, which are 
>very cool if the liklihood of simultaneous updates of a row is remote. 
>In fact, it's not so much a database problem as a business practices 
>problem, IMO. What the hell are two people updating the same row for? 
>There's a problem here and it
>doesn't concern the database; it concerns the workflow, which by definition
>is outside the specifications. OTOH, excellent arguments from the db folk
>occasionally persuade management that the problem is indeed outside the db,
>and should be addressed by someone other than you.
></rant>
>
><reality>
>Given that you must prevent simultaneous updates of a set of rows, and
>given
>that you have taken the unbound path, without a massive rewrite I think 
>your
>quickest option is to revisit all the recordset declarations, setting
>Pessimism TRUE in your rs.open() arguments. This effectively offloads the
>problem to the db, which is good, since it won't allow your users to
>overwrite each other even if your app in theory does. (That's why I always
>put all the smarts into sprocs and rules and such, rather than coding them
>in Access. Then, even if your app is buggy, it doesn't matter:-) Lock it 
>all
>down with pessimistic recordsets and go from there. You can probably visit
>every occurenece with a project-wide search, and paste the revised string
>in.
></reality>
>
><fantasy>
>I'm having difficulty coming up with an example where multiple users 
>would want to update the same rows. A wife and husband are both phoning 
>to complain about a VISA charge? Three employees are calling from 
>Client X to revise the purchase quantities in the details of OrderID 
>2345?
>
>Multiple people updating identical rows = a workflow problem, IMO. In a 
>well-designed workflow, this should never occur.
>
>Making this point at your next meeting, you are given a 100% salary 
>boost, several opportunities for sex with strangers, and the pleasure 
>of watching the entire organization reconfigure itself to your 
>insights. Suddenly they appreciate how brilliant you are and shape 
>their enterprise around you. Billions at stake, all on your mind. 
></fantasy>
>
>Arthur
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Marcus 
>Tewksbury
>Sent: May 2, 2003 10:16 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!
>
>
>Can Anyone Help Me?
>
>I have built a client server application using .adp front end and SQL
>Server
>back end.  Within the application itself I use unbound forms and retrieve
>records using ADO recordsets at run time.  The way I have initially 
>deployed
>the application is to copy an instance of the .adp to each desktop and run
>it locally.  The problem has been that people keep overwriting each other's
>updates - and changes are not reflected fast enough.
>
>I have a couple of different thoughts on how to tackle this - either
>ratchet
>down the ODBC refresh rate, or run a single, centralized copy of the .adp
>(which throws up some non-updateable warning every time it starts which I
>don't know how to suppress).  Of course, I acknowledge that I am a total
>newbie, and both of these options may be flawed.
>
>Thanks a bunch,
>
>- Sherri



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From bbruen at bigpond.com  Sat May  3 08:08:12 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 23:08:12 +1000
Subject: Bruce Bruen's email Client   Was: RE:
	[AccessD]OT:^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEECLDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c31175$0e076f80$be75fea9@bbb888>

Wish that it did....

It was just one thing I tried in order to get around it - without joy.  

I am currently, amongst other things, "learning" "Outlook VBA" (oh OK
the outlook object models ;->).  As I have email security on "high" it
wouldn't let me run vba code unless it was from a trusted source - so I
got a verisign cert and trusted myself - I thought - ...

Seems that importing, accepting and registering the cert changed half a
dozen email settings, including send everything as plaintext.  Hohum...

While I am at it, I thought I could set a mail format for a contact that
would over-ride the default setting.  I cant find this option anymore in
Outlook XP - does anyone know where it is?

As far as our joint problem with the damn "a program is trying to do
something really useful, are you really sure that is a good idea" popup,
it looks like its insurmountable in XP and worse in Office 2003.  The
consensus is to not use the Outlook object model, i.e. MAPI or CDO, as a
base for sending mail.

M$ stupidity has even gone as far as RECOMMENDING that programmers use
3rd party means of getting around this.  AFA I'm concerned this is not
unlike leaving a note on your front door..."Dear Mr Thief,  There is a
really fierce gekko behind this door, but if you really want to break in
you can borrow the key from the neighbours".

And I gave up a promising career in biochemistry for this!

Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 12:21 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Re: Bruce Bruen's email Client Was: RE:
[AccessD]OT:^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


Bruce,

Are you saying that using certs somehow bypasses the prompt for "do you
really really really want to..."?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 6:06 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Re: Bruce Bruen's email Client Was: RE: [AccessD]
OT:^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


Hmmmm..

I thought I was sending plain text. I am using Outlook XP (no mail
server)

The other day I was asking about invoking VBA procedures automatically,
during that time I came across the same feature as John Colby - the so
called outlook object model security.  During my investigation of this I
created a verisign cert and an office self cert so I could get my
outlook code to run without lowering the outlook (xp) security level.

The cert I am now usiinng should be the self cert and I therefore
presumed that it wasn't being sent.

This reply should be plain text -- if it isnt please tell me ( and how
to fix it if possible)

Sorry for the inconvenience -
Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mitsules,
Mark
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 12:46 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: OT: Re: Bruce Bruen's email Client Was: RE: [AccessD] OT:
^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


Bruce,

...just curious, no flames intended, honestly, but what email client are
you using, what format are you sending your emails, and what, if
anything else are you attaching when you post to AccessD?  The reason I
ask is because with my Win2K/Outlook2K2 setup, the emails I receive from
you are 3 levels deep.  The first consists of the AccessD footer and 1
attachment ("Untitled
Attachment") with no "body".  When I open the "Untitled Attachment",
there is another blank email consisting of 2 more attachments
("ATT2303090.txt" and "smime.p7s").  If I open the "smime.p7s"
attachment, it appears to be a certificate...(which I have no problem
with).  The actual content of your email is in the "ATT2303090.txt"
attachment...whoohoo!

My question is this, is there some setting on MY machine that I can set
so it will just interpret all of this mess as just a plain textual email
response?


Thanks to all for any suggestions,


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Bruen [mailto:bbruen at bigpond.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 10:17 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


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From bbruen at bigpond.com  Sat May  3 08:09:12 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 23:09:12 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] How disable scroll wheel on mouse
In-Reply-To: <01bd01c31133$d5d0efb0$be0e90cb@prosys.local>
Message-ID: <001f01c31175$31b1af40$be75fea9@bbb888>

Superglue.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Borge Steen
Hansen
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 3:21 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] How disable scroll wheel on mouse


I've been subscribed for a couple of months due to other commitments.
Now back again, I see all the well known names contributing to this
superb list forum.

And Drew is still working 25/7 or so it appears!

Well, to the question I hope you can help me with:

I'm working with bound Forms (Access97) and I use a function to trap all
keyboard strokes that would otherwise move the user off the current
record and a possibly unwanted Save... Now the scroll wheel on some
mouse / (mice?) has entered the scene and creates unwanted Saves (often
in a situation where the user is only half finished entering data).....

So, is there a way to disable "da scroolling veal"??

Cheers
Borge Hansen
Gold Coast City, Australia

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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Sat May  3 09:05:31 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 10:05:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] How disable scroll wheel on mouse
References: 	<DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEBADKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com><004501c3112f$2fd83720$9a4114ca@Notebook>
	<01bd01c31133$d5d0efb0$be0e90cb@prosys.local>
Message-ID: <006001c3117d$0fc70030$6401a8c0@default>

Hi Borge

http://www.lebans.com/mousewheelonoff.htm

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Borge Steen Hansen" <pcs at azizaz.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 1:21 AM
Subject: [AccessD] How disable scroll wheel on mouse


> I've been subscribed for a couple of months due to other commitments.
> Now back again, I see all the well known names contributing to this superb
> list forum.
>
> And Drew is still working 25/7 or so it appears!
>
> Well, to the question I hope you can help me with:
>
> I'm working with bound Forms (Access97) and I use a function to trap all
> keyboard strokes that would otherwise move the user off the current record
> and a possibly unwanted Save...
> Now the scroll wheel on some mouse / (mice?) has entered the scene and
> creates unwanted Saves (often in a situation where the user is only half
> finished entering data).....
>
> So, is there a way to disable "da scroolling veal"??
>
> Cheers
> Borge Hansen
> Gold Coast City, Australia
>
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From tewksbum at hotmail.com  Sat May  3 09:13:42 2003
From: tewksbum at hotmail.com (Marcus Tewksbury)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 09:13:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!
Message-ID: <Law9-F73cF1CGXl6fJP00026f45@hotmail.com>

First Off, thank you to everyone for contributing your thoughts - it is very 
much appreciated.  Let me see if I can account for this and reformulate...

1st.) The notion of deploying multiple copies of the .adp versus one 
centralized one to limit the # or recordsets is retarded.  My line of 
thinking was one application = one recordset, but that can't be right, 
right?  The application would create new recordsets for each user as they 
went.

so, I think my problem/solution deals more with the recordset maintenance 
itself.  I'm going to try and break this down into over-writing, and 
viewing.

Over-writing:  Yeap - I had been using optimistic locks.  I did a pretty 
good job of abstracting the code so it will be easy enough to change the 
records to pessimistic.  I'm also going to play around with running "at the 
client" and "at the server"

Viewing:  Inside the app I want the users to be able to see deletions, 
additions, etc. made by other users.  Which I presume means I am going to 
have to Refresh my recordsets.  Is anyone familiar with ODBC refresh rates?  
Should I periodically issue Refresh methods on the recordset?  How does a 
refresh compare to a requery performance wise?  Because I know requerying 
just won't be acceptable because of recordset size.

Again, thanks to everyone for your thoughts!

- Marcus







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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat May  3 10:01:33 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 08:01:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!
In-Reply-To: <Law9-F73cF1CGXl6fJP00026f45@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFGEIJCHAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Marcus:

I will add my comment inline...

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Marcus
Tewksbury
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 7:14 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!


First Off, thank you to everyone for contributing your thoughts - it is very
much appreciated.  Let me see if I can account for this and reformulate...

1st.) The notion of deploying multiple copies of the .adp versus one
centralized one to limit the # or recordsets is retarded.  My line of
thinking was one application = one recordset, but that can't be right,
right?  The application would create new recordsets for each user as they
went.

 The number of recordsets created and therefore connections
 has nothing to do how many copies of the application being
 used. It depends how the application is written. Of course
 if you have set up your recordsets to all have persistent
 connections then you will quickly run out of recourses and
 bandwidth.

so, I think my problem/solution deals more with the recordset maintenance
itself.  I'm going to try and break this down into over-writing, and
viewing.

Over-writing:  Yeap - I had been using optimistic locks.  I did a pretty
good job of abstracting the code so it will be easy enough to change the
records to pessimistic.  I'm also going to play around with running "at the
client" and "at the server"

Viewing:  Inside the app I want the users to be able to see deletions,
additions, etc. made by other users.  Which I presume means I am going to
have to Refresh my recordsets.  Is anyone familiar with ODBC refresh rates?
Should I periodically issue Refresh methods on the recordset?  How does a
refresh compare to a requery performance wise?  Because I know requerying
just won't be acceptable because of recordset size.

 I have not used ODBC but performance will depend more on how
 much data has to be acquired from the BE. Keeping the recordsets
 small is one way. The refresh or resync method returns any
 changes in a specific record but the requery method re-executes
 the query that created the original recordset and therefore
 reflects any changes to the dataset. The resync method would
 generate an error if the current record had been deleted by
 another user.

Again, thanks to everyone for your thoughts!

- Marcus







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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sat May  3 13:06:19 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 11:06:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!
References: <007b01c3116d$0233c300$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <3EB4051B.2050207@shaw.ca>

There are several adjacency alogrithms used in GIS or graphics systems, 
that allow color merging
of  pixels. Don't remember the name of class. But essentially it as 3 
dimensional matrix (x,y,color)
and you just search for where red and blue touch and change color to 
purple. You only have 8 pixels touching each other, unless on a 
boundary. There are other methods for vectors where you have a centroid 
to the left or right of line and a color associated with the centroid..

Arthur Fuller wrote:

>To be sure, there are apps such as those you describe, where sales reps are
>contending for tickets or seats or whatever. The way I handled it in the
>concert app was this: every physical ticket was one row in a table, complete
>with a gate, row and seat ID. To simplify the data-entry I wrote a form that
>would let someone create blocks of tickets very quickly (i.e. gate 7, row 1,
>seats 1-50, &c.) This was necessary because the sales people would have to
>assign contiguous tickets where possible, and I never could come up with an
>algorithm that would understand the asssignment contingencies the way peple
>do intuitively. For example, if you don't have 4 adjacent seats but you do
>have two pairs -- seats 1 and 2 in rows 7 and 8 -- that will do. After that
>was done, a multi-select listbox was all the front end required (plus a
>timer that released the locks after 5 minutes unless the sale was
>completed).
>
>Anyway, your point is valid. That's why I went to the seat=row model. There
>was no other way that I could see to avoid contention. Even then there was
>still a possibility, so we locked the rows the moment they were selected.
>And we didn't have thousands of users selecting seats :-)
>
>A.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Henry Simpson
>Sent: May 3, 2003 3:13 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!
>
>
>Arthur:
>
>You did some concert booking at come point.  How did you manage concurrent 
>attempts to reserve the same seats (records?) in a hall, for transportation 
>and hotel rooms.  There are concerts where 20 - 30,000 seats are booked in a
>
>matter of hours and some kind of software layer that feeds non overlapping 
>blocks of seats to a number of terminals must be provided by software so 
>each booking terminal could present a range of seat selections.  It seems to
>
>me that block allocation of the declining available records is an aspect of 
>workflow that is the responsibility of the application developer.  In an 
>airline scenario, where you have thousands of agents who might be 
>simultaneously contending for a small block of seats, is there a trivial 
>work flow solution?
>
>I would think that the only other way to work disconnected is verify that 
>all the record fields contain the same data at the server as at the client 
>before committing an update or to write a lock flag to a record (with a 
>date/time stamp) that is automatically cleared by some kind of bot 
>application if a reservation isn't committed within a specified time span.  
>For consistency, you could have the client pull the time from a server table
>
>(updated every few seconds?) and have the bot clear any stamps that are 
>future times.
>
>Hen
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>>From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
>>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!
>>Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 14:26:42 -0400
>>
>><rant>
>>I don't feel like rekindling any bound/unbound wars, so instead I'll 
>>try another tack. The problem is disconnected recordsets, which are 
>>very cool if the liklihood of simultaneous updates of a row is remote. 
>>In fact, it's not so much a database problem as a business practices 
>>problem, IMO. What the hell are two people updating the same row for? 
>>There's a problem here and it
>>doesn't concern the database; it concerns the workflow, which by definition
>>is outside the specifications. OTOH, excellent arguments from the db folk
>>occasionally persuade management that the problem is indeed outside the db,
>>and should be addressed by someone other than you.
>></rant>
>>
>><reality>
>>Given that you must prevent simultaneous updates of a set of rows, and
>>given
>>that you have taken the unbound path, without a massive rewrite I think 
>>your
>>quickest option is to revisit all the recordset declarations, setting
>>Pessimism TRUE in your rs.open() arguments. This effectively offloads the
>>problem to the db, which is good, since it won't allow your users to
>>overwrite each other even if your app in theory does. (That's why I always
>>put all the smarts into sprocs and rules and such, rather than coding them
>>in Access. Then, even if your app is buggy, it doesn't matter:-) Lock it 
>>all
>>down with pessimistic recordsets and go from there. You can probably visit
>>every occurenece with a project-wide search, and paste the revised string
>>in.
>></reality>
>>
>><fantasy>
>>I'm having difficulty coming up with an example where multiple users 
>>would want to update the same rows. A wife and husband are both phoning 
>>to complain about a VISA charge? Three employees are calling from 
>>Client X to revise the purchase quantities in the details of OrderID 
>>2345?
>>
>>Multiple people updating identical rows = a workflow problem, IMO. In a 
>>well-designed workflow, this should never occur.
>>
>>Making this point at your next meeting, you are given a 100% salary 
>>boost, several opportunities for sex with strangers, and the pleasure 
>>of watching the entire organization reconfigure itself to your 
>>insights. Suddenly they appreciate how brilliant you are and shape 
>>their enterprise around you. Billions at stake, all on your mind. 
>></fantasy>
>>
>>Arthur
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Marcus 
>>Tewksbury
>>Sent: May 2, 2003 10:16 AM
>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>Subject: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!
>>
>>
>>Can Anyone Help Me?
>>
>>I have built a client server application using .adp front end and SQL
>>Server
>>back end.  Within the application itself I use unbound forms and retrieve
>>records using ADO recordsets at run time.  The way I have initially 
>>deployed
>>the application is to copy an instance of the .adp to each desktop and run
>>it locally.  The problem has been that people keep overwriting each other's
>>updates - and changes are not reflected fast enough.
>>
>>I have a couple of different thoughts on how to tackle this - either
>>ratchet
>>down the ODBC refresh rate, or run a single, centralized copy of the .adp
>>(which throws up some non-updateable warning every time it starts which I
>>don't know how to suppress).  Of course, I acknowledge that I am a total
>>newbie, and both of these options may be flawed.
>>
>>Thanks a bunch,
>>
>>- Sherri
>>    
>>
>
>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sat May  3 13:08:28 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 13:08:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)
In-Reply-To: <005701c31110$60dde690$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <000001c3119f$04cf69c0$de1811d8@DanWaters>

Arthur,

The scenario I described is pretty much limited to a LAN situation, not
a WAN.  I can see why a WAN database may work better with an unbound
database.

But what I really am calling about is the "All" argument.  Could you
replay with an example?  This sounds like it could be really valuable.

Thanks!
Dan Waters


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 7:08 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)


Well here we go into uncharted waters. Certain publications by MS
suggest that unbound forms are the way to go. I vigourously dispute
this. I think that bound forms tied to sprocs are the way to go. Then
you can sidestep a zillion unbound-form problems. But here I go
proselitizing bound forms when that was not my original intention.

IMO, and that's all it is, I don't claim expertise only experience, bind
your forms to sprocs. Recently I learned a cool trick which lets me pass
arguments like "All", "All" to various forms, reports &c. Everything
works from sprocs. Recordsets open their stuff pessismistically. This is
a simple argument to the rs.Open method. Let intelliSense do your typing
:-)

IME you're far better off to go with boound forms and pessimistic logic
than unbound disconnected recordsets, given the logic of your scenario.
Which I would question, but that's a side issue.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: May 2, 2003 4:18 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)


Arthur,

The databases I design typically handle some type of QA process in a
manufacturing environment.  One of the advantages of using an electronic
system over a paper form system is the ability for people to work
(almost) in parallel - which leads to the real occurrence of
simultaneous updates.  So, I always use pessimistic locking, and on the
one process where people felt slowed down, I installed a timer on that
form so that it closed after 5 minutes with no activity, releasing the
locks on the table (that was in A97).

I am starting to look at upsizing this db to SQL 2000.  From what I
understand, I may not be able to use pessimistic locking the same way
that I did in AXP.  

If this is the case, what is the best way to duplicate the pessimistic
locking behavior of AXP in SQL 2K?

Thanks,
Dan Waters


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 12:27 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!


<rant>
I don't feel like rekindling any bound/unbound wars, so instead I'll try
another tack. The problem is disconnected recordsets, which are very
cool if the liklihood of simultaneous updates of a row is remote. In
fact, it's not so much a database problem as a business practices
problem, IMO. What the hell are two people updating the same row for?
There's a problem here and it doesn't concern the database; it concerns
the workflow, which by definition is outside the specifications. OTOH,
excellent arguments from the db folk occasionally persuade management
that the problem is indeed outside the db, and should be addressed by
someone other than you. </rant>

<reality>
Given that you must prevent simultaneous updates of a set of rows, and
given that you have taken the unbound path, without a massive rewrite I
think your quickest option is to revisit all the recordset declarations,
setting Pessimism TRUE in your rs.open() arguments. This effectively
offloads the problem to the db, which is good, since it won't allow your
users to overwrite each other even if your app in theory does. (That's
why I always put all the smarts into sprocs and rules and such, rather
than coding them in Access. Then, even if your app is buggy, it doesn't
matter:-) Lock it all down with pessimistic recordsets and go from
there. You can probably visit every occurenece with a project-wide
search, and paste the revised string in. </reality>

<fantasy>
I'm having difficulty coming up with an example where multiple users
would want to update the same rows. A wife and husband are both phoning
to complain about a VISA charge? Three employees are calling from Client
X to revise the purchase quantities in the details of OrderID 2345?

Multiple people updating identical rows = a workflow problem, IMO. In a
well-designed workflow, this should never occur.

Making this point at your next meeting, you are given a 100% salary
boost, several opportunities for sex with strangers, and the pleasure of
watching the entire organization reconfigure itself to your insights.
Suddenly they appreciate how brilliant you are and shape their
enterprise around you. Billions at stake, all on your mind. </fantasy>

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Marcus
Tewksbury
Sent: May 2, 2003 10:16 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!


Can Anyone Help Me?

I have built a client server application using .adp front end and SQL
Server back end.  Within the application itself I use unbound forms and
retrieve records using ADO recordsets at run time.  The way I have
initially deployed the application is to copy an instance of the .adp to
each desktop and run it locally.  The problem has been that people keep
overwriting each other's updates - and changes are not reflected fast
enough.

I have a couple of different thoughts on how to tackle this - either
ratchet down the ODBC refresh rate, or run a single, centralized copy of
the .adp (which throws up some non-updateable warning every time it
starts which I don't know how to suppress).  Of course, I acknowledge
that I am a total newbie, and both of these options may be flawed.

Thanks a bunch,

- Sherri





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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sat May  3 14:17:27 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 12:17:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Book on Software Testing and Internationalization
References: <000001c3119f$04cf69c0$de1811d8@DanWaters>
Message-ID: <3EB415C7.9090007@shaw.ca>

Someone may be interested in this free book translated from German

Galileo Computing Software Testing and Internationalization
Manfred Ratzmann and Clinton De Young

Some Chapters
    * International planning and architecture
    * International development issues
    * Internationalization testing

To download a copy of book about 2Meg

http://www.lisa.org/interact/2003/swtestregister.html



From artful at rogers.com  Sat May  3 19:37:07 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 20:37:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)
In-Reply-To: <000001c3119f$04cf69c0$de1811d8@DanWaters>
Message-ID: <00b701c311d5$4adc8ca0$8e01a8c0@Rock>

Glad you noticed and glad to share it. It's just one of those
slaps-aside-the-head that we occasionally need. In this case, it's the
assumption that you test parms against column values. But suppose you reject
this notion. Case in recent point, there are two columns called Faculty_ID
and School_ID, so that the permutations might be something like this:

FB	BM
FB	All
All	All

The "scope" values are in a table called tblUsers. You grab the values for
the current user from there and apply them to a single sproc that covers all
cases. Like so:

SELECT * FROM someTable(s)
WHERE
	Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID AND School_ID = @School_ID
	OR
	Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID
	OR
	@Faculty_ID = 'All'

This grabs all possible combinations. 

The point is, you can test parms against values rather than column contents,
as in the last line.


A.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: May 3, 2003 2:08 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)


Arthur,

The scenario I described is pretty much limited to a LAN situation, not a
WAN.  I can see why a WAN database may work better with an unbound database.

But what I really am calling about is the "All" argument.  Could you replay
with an example?  This sounds like it could be really valuable.

Thanks!
Dan Waters


From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun May  4 02:49:11 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 09:49:11 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)
In-Reply-To: <00b701c311d5$4adc8ca0$8e01a8c0@Rock>
References: <00b701c311d5$4adc8ca0$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <761794560.20030504094911@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

Haven't followed this thread closely, but wonder how:

>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID AND School_ID = @School_ID
>         OR
>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID
>         OR
>         @Faculty_ID = 'All'

would differ from:

>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID
>         OR
>         @Faculty_ID = 'All'

/gustav


> Glad you noticed and glad to share it. It's just one of those
> slaps-aside-the-head that we occasionally need. In this case, it's the
> assumption that you test parms against column values. But suppose you reject
> this notion. Case in recent point, there are two columns called Faculty_ID
> and School_ID, so that the permutations might be something like this:

> FB      BM
> FB      All
> All     All

> The "scope" values are in a table called tblUsers. You grab the values for
> the current user from there and apply them to a single sproc that covers all
> cases. Like so:

> SELECT * FROM someTable(s)
> WHERE
>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID AND School_ID = @School_ID
>         OR
>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID
>         OR
>         @Faculty_ID = 'All'

> This grabs all possible combinations. 

> The point is, you can test parms against values rather than column contents,
> as in the last line.


> A.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
> Sent: May 3, 2003 2:08 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)


> Arthur,

> The scenario I described is pretty much limited to a LAN situation, not a
> WAN.  I can see why a WAN database may work better with an unbound database.

> But what I really am calling about is the "All" argument.  Could you replay
> with an example?  This sounds like it could be really valuable.

> Thanks!
> Dan Waters


From artful at rogers.com  Sun May  4 06:21:47 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 07:21:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)
In-Reply-To: <761794560.20030504094911@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <00d801c3122f$5a119350$8e01a8c0@Rock>

You've omitted the third case, where say Faculty = 'FB' and School = 'BM'.
Some users cannot see their whole faculty, just their school.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: May 4, 2003 3:49 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)


Hi Arthur

Haven't followed this thread closely, but wonder how:

>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID AND School_ID = @School_ID
>         OR
>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID
>         OR
>         @Faculty_ID = 'All'

would differ from:

>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID
>         OR
>         @Faculty_ID = 'All'

/gustav


> Glad you noticed and glad to share it. It's just one of those 
> slaps-aside-the-head that we occasionally need. In this case, it's the 
> assumption that you test parms against column values. But suppose you 
> reject this notion. Case in recent point, there are two columns called 
> Faculty_ID and School_ID, so that the permutations might be something 
> like this:

> FB      BM
> FB      All
> All     All

> The "scope" values are in a table called tblUsers. You grab the values 
> for the current user from there and apply them to a single sproc that 
> covers all cases. Like so:

> SELECT * FROM someTable(s)
> WHERE
>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID AND School_ID = @School_ID
>         OR
>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID
>         OR
>         @Faculty_ID = 'All'

> This grabs all possible combinations.

> The point is, you can test parms against values rather than column 
> contents, as in the last line.


> A.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
> Sent: May 3, 2003 2:08 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)


> Arthur,

> The scenario I described is pretty much limited to a LAN situation, 
> not a WAN.  I can see why a WAN database may work better with an 
> unbound database.

> But what I really am calling about is the "All" argument.  Could you 
> replay with an example?  This sounds like it could be really valuable.

> Thanks!
> Dan Waters

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From pblack at hotmail.com  Sun May  4 08:52:29 2003
From: pblack at hotmail.com (Paul Black)
Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 13:52:29 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Drop-down menus in Access
Message-ID: <Sea2-F17pd564vnoAc80004c7cb@hotmail.com>

Hello

Could someone please point me to an article or an online example of how to 
create a drop-down menu within Access. I need an app that has this to 
minimize the amount of button objects within an app.

I can use A97, A2000, AXP for the app.

Thanks

Paul

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From pblack at hotmail.com  Sun May  4 08:56:31 2003
From: pblack at hotmail.com (Paul Black)
Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 13:56:31 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Viewing Handheld databases within Access
Message-ID: <Sea2-F35dQVoU0mWizf000262fb@hotmail.com>

Hello

I am developing an app that compiles data collected with a handheld device 
running an embedded Visual Basic App. Is there anything that I can do with 
Access that allows me to view the Pocket Access (.cdb) file names on the 
device and then select then one I want?

At that point ActiveSync would take over and convert the .cdb file to a .mdb 
file.

I can use A97, A2000, AXP for the app.

Thanks

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From harkins at iglou.com  Sun May  4 10:11:36 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 11:11:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL to manipulate indexes
Message-ID: <001301c3124f$7604ac80$e3e6ffcc@SusanOne>

How many of you actually manipulate indexes programmatically on a frequent
basis? How do you get around the problem of knowing how many arguments
(field names) to pass for a complex index?

Susan H.


From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun May  4 11:29:25 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 18:29:25 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)
In-Reply-To: <00d801c3122f$5a119350$8e01a8c0@Rock>
References: <00d801c3122f$5a119350$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <13933008273.20030504182925@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

> You've omitted the third case, where say Faculty = 'FB' and School = 'BM'.
> Some users cannot see their whole faculty, just their school.

That's what I suspected - but the second case will return True for those
records of a given Faculty no matter what School ... ??

/gustav


> Hi Arthur

> Haven't followed this thread closely, but wonder how:

>>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID AND School_ID = @School_ID
>>         OR
>>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID
>>         OR
>>         @Faculty_ID = 'All'

> would differ from:

>>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID
>>         OR
>>         @Faculty_ID = 'All'

> /gustav


>> Glad you noticed and glad to share it. It's just one of those 
>> slaps-aside-the-head that we occasionally need. In this case, it's the 
>> assumption that you test parms against column values. But suppose you 
>> reject this notion. Case in recent point, there are two columns called 
>> Faculty_ID and School_ID, so that the permutations might be something 
>> like this:

>> FB      BM
>> FB      All
>> All     All

>> The "scope" values are in a table called tblUsers. You grab the values 
>> for the current user from there and apply them to a single sproc that 
>> covers all cases. Like so:

>> SELECT * FROM someTable(s)
>> WHERE
>>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID AND School_ID = @School_ID
>>         OR
>>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID
>>         OR
>>         @Faculty_ID = 'All'

>> This grabs all possible combinations.

>> The point is, you can test parms against values rather than column 
>> contents, as in the last line.


>> A.

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
>> Sent: May 3, 2003 2:08 PM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)


>> Arthur,

>> The scenario I described is pretty much limited to a LAN situation, 
>> not a WAN.  I can see why a WAN database may work better with an 
>> unbound database.

>> But what I really am calling about is the "All" argument.  Could you 
>> replay with an example?  This sounds like it could be really valuable.


From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun May  4 11:43:18 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 18:43:18 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] SQL to manipulate indexes
In-Reply-To: <001301c3124f$7604ac80$e3e6ffcc@SusanOne>
References: <001301c3124f$7604ac80$e3e6ffcc@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <1133841090.20030504184318@cactus.dk>

Hi Susan

Are you talking about compound indexes? Not sure if these are
"complex" though.

We have two cases: one for adjusting indexes in an existing backend
database and one for building temporary databases from scratch.

In both cases I know how many and which fields are present or needed
of an index. No big deal. The real problem is to add an index to an
existing and populated table as you have to check first if the
recorded values will allow that index to be applied and, if not, how to
handle that situation.

/gustav


> How many of you actually manipulate indexes programmatically on a frequent
> basis? How do you get around the problem of knowing how many arguments
> (field names) to pass for a complex index?


From harkins at iglou.com  Sun May  4 12:03:43 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 13:03:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL to manipulate indexes
References: <001301c3124f$7604ac80$e3e6ffcc@SusanOne>
	<1133841090.20030504184318@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <006701c3125f$1fe60ff0$e3e6ffcc@SusanOne>

>
> In both cases I know how many and which fields are present or needed
> of an index. No big deal.

==========You have a generic procedure that handles all situations?  Or, you
just write functions made to order as you need them?

Complex/compound -- same thing.

Susan H.


From artful at rogers.com  Sun May  4 12:11:47 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 13:11:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)
In-Reply-To: <13933008273.20030504182925@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <00f501c31260$3eec4da0$8e01a8c0@Rock>

Which is exactly why we need the third case, because some people have access
only to one faculty and one school within it. The second case deals with
people who have faculty access and all schools within it. The first case
deals with 'All', 'All'.

Unless I'm missing something, which has happened before and will doubtless
again.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: May 4, 2003 12:29 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)


Hi Arthur

> You've omitted the third case, where say Faculty = 'FB' and School = 
> 'BM'. Some users cannot see their whole faculty, just their school.

That's what I suspected - but the second case will return True for those
records of a given Faculty no matter what School ... ??

/gustav


> Hi Arthur

> Haven't followed this thread closely, but wonder how:

>>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID AND School_ID = @School_ID
>>         OR
>>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID
>>         OR
>>         @Faculty_ID = 'All'

> would differ from:

>>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID
>>         OR
>>         @Faculty_ID = 'All'

> /gustav


>> Glad you noticed and glad to share it. It's just one of those
>> slaps-aside-the-head that we occasionally need. In this case, it's the 
>> assumption that you test parms against column values. But suppose you 
>> reject this notion. Case in recent point, there are two columns called 
>> Faculty_ID and School_ID, so that the permutations might be something 
>> like this:

>> FB      BM
>> FB      All
>> All     All

>> The "scope" values are in a table called tblUsers. You grab the 
>> values
>> for the current user from there and apply them to a single sproc that 
>> covers all cases. Like so:

>> SELECT * FROM someTable(s)
>> WHERE
>>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID AND School_ID = @School_ID
>>         OR
>>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID
>>         OR
>>         @Faculty_ID = 'All'

>> This grabs all possible combinations.

>> The point is, you can test parms against values rather than column
>> contents, as in the last line.


>> A.

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
>> Sent: May 3, 2003 2:08 PM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)


>> Arthur,

>> The scenario I described is pretty much limited to a LAN situation, 
>> not a WAN.  I can see why a WAN database may work better with an 
>> unbound database.

>> But what I really am calling about is the "All" argument.  Could you 
>> replay with an example?  This sounds like it could be really valuable.

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From harkins at iglou.com  Sun May  4 12:14:13 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 13:14:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] favor -- about index names
Message-ID: <008501c31260$97f51e90$e3e6ffcc@SusanOne>



> CREATE TABLE States (State TEXT(15) PRIMARY KEY)
>
>
>
> Would someone please run this simple query in Access 2000 and Access 97
and
> then open the new table
>
> and tell me how Jet named the index? I don't have either installed
anymore.
>
>
>
> Jet 4 (Access 2002) assigns an index value type name -- for example
> Index_542C89A9_F5FE_4304 -- which I don't believe earlier
>
> versions of Jet did -- just checking because I don't remember.
>
>
>
> This looks new to me. Seems to me, Jet always used the field's name as the
> index name.
>
>
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> dba-OT mailing list
> dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com
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>
>


From artful at rogers.com  Sun May  4 12:14:39 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 13:14:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL to manipulate indexes
In-Reply-To: <006701c3125f$1fe60ff0$e3e6ffcc@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <00f601c31260$a51df470$8e01a8c0@Rock>

Except for code to create databases, tables, and indexes (as when porting an
app), I have never manipulated indexes through code. I've played around in
ADOX and written code to do this sort of thing, but mainly as a learning
experience. I've never yet encountered a situation where I needed to do
this. So out of curiosity, what's the situation?

A.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: May 4, 2003 1:04 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL to manipulate indexes


>
> In both cases I know how many and which fields are present or needed 
> of an index. No big deal.

==========You have a generic procedure that handles all situations?  Or, you
just write functions made to order as you need them?

Complex/compound -- same thing.

Susan H.

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun May  4 12:26:55 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 19:26:55 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)
In-Reply-To: <00f501c31260$3eec4da0$8e01a8c0@Rock>
References: <00f501c31260$3eec4da0$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <1836458033.20030504192655@cactus.dk>

<b></b>
Hi Arthur

Hmm - are we on the same channel? Over.

I just can't see why the second case here:

>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID AND School_ID = @School_ID
>         OR
>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID
>         OR
>         @Faculty_ID = 'All'

will NOT return True for any record of a given Faculty_ID no matter
what School_ID you pass? 

/gustav


> Which is exactly why we need the third case, because some people have access
> only to one faculty and one school within it. The second case deals with
> people who have faculty access and all schools within it. The first case
> deals with 'All', 'All'.

> Unless I'm missing something, which has happened before and will doubtless
> again.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: May 4, 2003 12:29 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)


> Hi Arthur

>> You've omitted the third case, where say Faculty = 'FB' and School = 
>> 'BM'. Some users cannot see their whole faculty, just their school.

> That's what I suspected - but the second case will return True for those
> records of a given Faculty no matter what School ... ??

> /gustav


>> Hi Arthur

>> Haven't followed this thread closely, but wonder how:

>>>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID AND School_ID = @School_ID
>>>         OR
>>>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID
>>>         OR
>>>         @Faculty_ID = 'All'

>> would differ from:

>>>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID
>>>         OR
>>>         @Faculty_ID = 'All'

>> /gustav


>>> Glad you noticed and glad to share it. It's just one of those
>>> slaps-aside-the-head that we occasionally need. In this case, it's the 
>>> assumption that you test parms against column values. But suppose you 
>>> reject this notion. Case in recent point, there are two columns called 
>>> Faculty_ID and School_ID, so that the permutations might be something 
>>> like this:

>>> FB      BM
>>> FB      All
>>> All     All

>>> The "scope" values are in a table called tblUsers. You grab the 
>>> values
>>> for the current user from there and apply them to a single sproc that 
>>> covers all cases. Like so:

>>> SELECT * FROM someTable(s)
>>> WHERE
>>>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID AND School_ID = @School_ID
>>>         OR
>>>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID
>>>         OR
>>>         @Faculty_ID = 'All'

>>> This grabs all possible combinations.

>>> The point is, you can test parms against values rather than column
>>> contents, as in the last line.


>>> A.

>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
>>> Sent: May 3, 2003 2:08 PM
>>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)


>>> Arthur,

>>> The scenario I described is pretty much limited to a LAN situation, 
>>> not a WAN.  I can see why a WAN database may work better with an 
>>> unbound database.

>>> But what I really am calling about is the "All" argument.  Could you 
>>> replay with an example?  This sounds like it could be really valuable.


From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun May  4 12:37:28 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 19:37:28 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] SQL to manipulate indexes
In-Reply-To: <006701c3125f$1fe60ff0$e3e6ffcc@SusanOne>
References: <001301c3124f$7604ac80$e3e6ffcc@SusanOne>
	<006701c3125f$1fe60ff0$e3e6ffcc@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <10837091494.20030504193728@cactus.dk>

Hi Susan

>> In both cases I know how many and which fields are present or needed
>> of an index. No big deal.

> ==========You have a generic procedure that handles all situations?  Or, you
> just write functions made to order as you need them?

I write functions for each case as manipulating indexes is a minor
part only; except for building temporary databases you will have to
check several conditions before you adjust an index and afterwards you
may need to run some updating function like adding a new relation.

For generic functions you may look at the Back End Upgrader (BEU)
project but - as far as I understand - this does not handle the
individual check/update of data.

/gustav


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Sun May  4 12:42:35 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 18:42:35 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Eval not working?
In-Reply-To: <F4FD32CEB33B314B9187B3A6599B3D6E5CAA4B@lbbx2ktemp1.corp.int.bromley.gov.uk>
Message-ID: <014901c31264$8cb7ef40$b274d0d5@andypc>

Sounds odd Ryan. It should work as you have it, and I'd certainly expect
Access to fail if the function name was incorrect. Have you stepped
through it in debug?
 

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk <http://www.minstersystems.co.uk/> 



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Smethurst,
Ryan
Sent: 02 May 2003 17:24
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Eval not working?



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Hi All, 

I have a series of functions that need to be run one after the other. 

They are all prefixed with the "Update_" and I was hoping to simply loop
through labels on a form to complete the names and voila.

But when I use: 

strname = First then Second then Third etc etc (example) 

Eval("Update_" & strName & "()") 

although I get no error, the function isn't called? 

Does anyone know why? 

TIA 
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Sun May  4 12:42:35 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 18:42:35 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] favor -- about index names
In-Reply-To: <008501c31260$97f51e90$e3e6ffcc@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <014e01c31264$8d137cc0$b274d0d5@andypc>

Susan 
In A97 it fails and I had to recode as 

CREATE TABLE States (State TEXT(15) CONSTRAINT PrimaryKey PRIMARY KEY)

so no question about index name as I had to give one.

In A2K it worked. the index name was "Index_5F808805_DE92_4A13" which is
quite catchy I'm sure you'll agree.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Susan Harkins
> Sent: 04 May 2003 18:14
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] favor -- about index names
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > CREATE TABLE States (State TEXT(15) PRIMARY KEY)
> >
> >
> >
> > Would someone please run this simple query in Access 2000 
> and Access 
> > 97
> and
> > then open the new table
> >
> > and tell me how Jet named the index? I don't have either installed
> anymore.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jet 4 (Access 2002) assigns an index value type name -- for example 
> > Index_542C89A9_F5FE_4304 -- which I don't believe earlier
> >
> > versions of Jet did -- just checking because I don't remember.
> >
> >
> >
> > This looks new to me. Seems to me, Jet always used the 
> field's name as 
> > the index name.
> >
> >
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-OT mailing list
> > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> 
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> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sun May  4 14:43:07 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 12:43:07 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] favor -- about index names
References: <008501c31260$97f51e90$e3e6ffcc@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <3EB56D4B.8070706@shaw.ca>



Susan Harkins wrote:

>  
>
>>CREATE TABLE States (State TEXT(15) PRIMARY KEY)
>>
>>
>>
>>Would someone please run this simple query in Access 2000 and Access 97
>>    
>>
>and
>  
>
>>then open the new table
>>
>>and tell me how Jet named the index? I don't have either installed
>>    
>>
>anymore.
>  
>
>>
>>Jet 4 (Access 2002) assigns an index value type name -- for example
>>Index_542C89A9_F5FE_4304 -- which I don't believe earlier
>>
>>versions of Jet did -- just checking because I don't remember.
>>
>>
>>
>>This looks new to me. Seems to me, Jet always used the field's name as the
>>index name.
>>    
>>

 In Access 2003 the index name is
     Index_5176FBB8_AEC2_42D4

In Access97  

CREATE TABLE States (State TEXT(15) PRIMARY KEY)

gives a syntax error, it will only compile if index named with 
constraint clause

CREATE TABLE States (State TEXT(15) constraint mykey  Primary Key)


From harkins at iglou.com  Sun May  4 17:56:53 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 18:56:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] exporting Access table schema to SQL Server
Message-ID: <00ce01c31290$76aaee10$a6e6ffcc@SusanOne>

I'm pretty familiar with XML in Access -- need to export table schema to SQL
Server and I'm thinking it should be a fairly cut and dry, easy process.
Anyone have experience and run into trouble?

Susan H.


From artful at rogers.com  Sun May  4 18:22:20 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 19:22:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)
In-Reply-To: <1836458033.20030504192655@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <011401c31294$027f68f0$8e01a8c0@Rock>

Oops. In my needless haste, I think I wrote it incorrectly. Should have
been:

Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID AND School_ID = @School_ID
OR
Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID AND @School_ID = 'All'
OR
@Faculty_ID = 'All'

This is intended to account for three cases, summarized in the following
possible arguments:

@Faculty_ID = 'All' and @School_ID is 'All' - show everything
@Faculty_ID = "FB" and @School_ID = 'All' - show all faculty of business
schools
Faculty_ID = "FB" and School_ID = 'BM' - show only the business management
school in the faculty of business

I have no emotional investment in three cases. If it can be done in two I'm
happy to go revise.

A.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: May 4, 2003 1:27 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)


<b></b>
Hi Arthur

Hmm - are we on the same channel? Over.

I just can't see why the second case here:

>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID AND School_ID = @School_ID
>         OR
>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID
>         OR
>         @Faculty_ID = 'All'

will NOT return True for any record of a given Faculty_ID no matter what
School_ID you pass? 

/gustav


> Which is exactly why we need the third case, because some people have 
> access only to one faculty and one school within it. The second case 
> deals with people who have faculty access and all schools within it. 
> The first case deals with 'All', 'All'.

> Unless I'm missing something, which has happened before and will 
> doubtless again.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav 
> Brock
> Sent: May 4, 2003 12:29 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)


> Hi Arthur

>> You've omitted the third case, where say Faculty = 'FB' and School =
>> 'BM'. Some users cannot see their whole faculty, just their school.

> That's what I suspected - but the second case will return True for 
> those records of a given Faculty no matter what School ... ??

> /gustav


>> Hi Arthur

>> Haven't followed this thread closely, but wonder how:

>>>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID AND School_ID = @School_ID
>>>         OR
>>>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID
>>>         OR
>>>         @Faculty_ID = 'All'

>> would differ from:

>>>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID
>>>         OR
>>>         @Faculty_ID = 'All'

>> /gustav


>>> Glad you noticed and glad to share it. It's just one of those 
>>> slaps-aside-the-head that we occasionally need. In this case, it's 
>>> the assumption that you test parms against column values. But 
>>> suppose you reject this notion. Case in recent point, there are two 
>>> columns called Faculty_ID and School_ID, so that the permutations 
>>> might be something like this:

>>> FB      BM
>>> FB      All
>>> All     All

>>> The "scope" values are in a table called tblUsers. You grab the
>>> values
>>> for the current user from there and apply them to a single sproc that 
>>> covers all cases. Like so:

>>> SELECT * FROM someTable(s)
>>> WHERE
>>>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID AND School_ID = @School_ID
>>>         OR
>>>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID
>>>         OR
>>>         @Faculty_ID = 'All'

>>> This grabs all possible combinations.

>>> The point is, you can test parms against values rather than column 
>>> contents, as in the last line.


>>> A.

>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan 
>>> Waters
>>> Sent: May 3, 2003 2:08 PM
>>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)


>>> Arthur,

>>> The scenario I described is pretty much limited to a LAN situation,
>>> not a WAN.  I can see why a WAN database may work better with an 
>>> unbound database.

>>> But what I really am calling about is the "All" argument.  Could you
>>> replay with an example?  This sounds like it could be really valuable.

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From sgoodhall at comcast.net  Sun May  4 18:30:31 2003
From: sgoodhall at comcast.net (Steve Goodhall)
Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 19:30:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Easily copy the latest FE to workstation
In-Reply-To: <000c01c30e8a$04fd9830$de1811d8@DanWaters>
Message-ID: <GGEJLPBDCMFILPFNBMLPEEKGCIAA.sgoodhall@comcast.net>

I have a set of utilities on my web site that will do this.  It uses custom
properties in the database to control a version number.  Go to
http://www.goodhall.info/STEVE/ and click on the "Useful Software" link.

Regards,

Steve Goodhall


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 4:01 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Easily copy the latest FE to workstation


Another option for this task is a utility written by Tony Toews called
Auto FE Updater.  It is available at:

http://www.granite.ab.ca/access/autofe.htm

I set this up in my last company and it worked well!

Dan Waters



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 8:15 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Easily copy the latest FE to workstation


There has been talk about using batch files to update an FE from a
server before running it.  These all require some degree of
customisation, possibly through environment variables, to hard code
the location of MS Access and therefore are a PITA to set up on
multiple workstations.  I decided it was time to build one of my
little utilities to simply the process.

Now that I've built it, it's available for anyone that wants a copy
at http://www.lexacorp.com.pg  - click on the Free software button
and look for RunLocal under the "Miscellaneous Utilities"

It's only a 12KB download

RunLocal.Exe:
Copies a file to another directory and then opens the file using the
default application.

Usage: RunLocal PathAndFileName [/A]||[/D RunDirectory]

With no switches, the file PathAndFileName will be copied to the
default directory - ie the 'Start In' directory specified in a
shortcut or the directory from which the batch file or command line
is run"

With the /A switch the file will be copied to the Application
directory - ie the directory where RunLocal.exe is located"

With the /D switch the file will be copied to directory RunDirectory,
which will be created if necessary

Running the program with no parameters displays a simple help screen

Example:
"RunLocal \\MyServer\SharedDir\MyApp.MDE /D C:\Temp"
copies the latest version of MyApp.MDE from the server to C:\Temp
andd then opens C:\Temp\MyApp.MDE.

It uses ShelllExecute() to find and load the application required so
you can use it any registered file type.




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From mikedorism at ntelos.net  Sun May  4 20:52:16 2003
From: mikedorism at ntelos.net (Mike and Doris Manning)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 21:52:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Drop-down menus in Access
In-Reply-To: <Sea2-F17pd564vnoAc80004c7cb@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001c312a8$f8d1ca90$d93d0cd8@hargrove.internal>

Look in the help files or ADH for creating your own menu bar or tool bar.

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Black
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 9:52 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Drop-down menus in Access


Hello

Could someone please point me to an article or an online example of how to 
create a drop-down menu within Access. I need an app that has this to 
minimize the amount of button objects within an app.

I can use A97, A2000, AXP for the app.

Thanks

Paul

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From Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK  Mon May  5 01:44:14 2003
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK (Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 07:44:14 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] exporting Access table schema to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <00ce01c31290$76aaee10$a6e6ffcc@SusanOne>
References: <00ce01c31290$76aaee10$a6e6ffcc@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <1052117054.3eb6083e38910@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

Nope. Always straight forward

Martin

Quoting Susan Harkins <harkins at iglou.com>:

> I'm pretty familiar with XML in Access -- need to export table schema to
> SQL
> Server and I'm thinking it should be a fairly cut and dry, easy
> process.
> Anyone have experience and run into trouble?
> 
> Susan H.
> 
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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Mon May  5 01:58:25 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 16:28:25 +0930 
Subject: [AccessD] Easily copy the latest FE to workstation
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A005@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

We just use this simple batch script:

***********************************************
*@echo off
*if not exist "c:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Data\MyDB_V1.mde" goto
getdb:
goto startdb
:getdb
*md "c:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Data" >nul
*del "c:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Data\MyDB_V*.mde" >nul
*copy l:\master\MyDB_V1.mde "c:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Data" >nul
*:startdb
*"c:\program files\microsoft office\office\msaccess.exe" "c:\Documents and
Settings\All Users\Data\MyDB_V1.mde"
**********************************************

The database in this example is called MYDB_V1.mde.  When I create a new
version, following conventions, it will be called v1.1 or v2 etc, so we
simply change the name in the script.

The shortcut on all users desktops points to this shortcut.

HTH,
Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Goodhall [mailto:sgoodhall at comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, 5 May 2003 9:01 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Easily copy the latest FE to workstation


I have a set of utilities on my web site that will do this.  It uses custom
properties in the database to control a version number.  Go to
http://www.goodhall.info/STEVE/ and click on the "Useful Software" link.

Regards,

Steve Goodhall


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 4:01 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Easily copy the latest FE to workstation


Another option for this task is a utility written by Tony Toews called
Auto FE Updater.  It is available at:

http://www.granite.ab.ca/access/autofe.htm

I set this up in my last company and it worked well!

Dan Waters



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 8:15 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Easily copy the latest FE to workstation


There has been talk about using batch files to update an FE from a
server before running it.  These all require some degree of
customisation, possibly through environment variables, to hard code
the location of MS Access and therefore are a PITA to set up on
multiple workstations.  I decided it was time to build one of my
little utilities to simply the process.

Now that I've built it, it's available for anyone that wants a copy
at http://www.lexacorp.com.pg  - click on the Free software button
and look for RunLocal under the "Miscellaneous Utilities"

It's only a 12KB download

RunLocal.Exe:
Copies a file to another directory and then opens the file using the
default application.

Usage: RunLocal PathAndFileName [/A]||[/D RunDirectory]

With no switches, the file PathAndFileName will be copied to the
default directory - ie the 'Start In' directory specified in a
shortcut or the directory from which the batch file or command line
is run"

With the /A switch the file will be copied to the Application
directory - ie the directory where RunLocal.exe is located"

With the /D switch the file will be copied to directory RunDirectory,
which will be created if necessary

Running the program with no parameters displays a simple help screen

Example:
"RunLocal \\MyServer\SharedDir\MyApp.MDE /D C:\Temp"
copies the latest version of MyApp.MDE from the server to C:\Temp
andd then opens C:\Temp\MyApp.MDE.

It uses ShelllExecute() to find and load the application required so
you can use it any registered file type.




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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon May  5 04:04:26 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 11:04:26 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)
In-Reply-To: <011401c31294$027f68f0$8e01a8c0@Rock>
References: <011401c31294$027f68f0$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <1271347657.20030505110426@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

Phew! I was beginning to wonder if one of your senior moments had been
extended beyond a point of no return.

/gustav


> Oops. In my needless haste, I think I wrote it incorrectly. Should have
> been:

> Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID AND School_ID = @School_ID
> OR
> Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID AND @School_ID = 'All'
> OR
> @Faculty_ID = 'All'

> This is intended to account for three cases, summarized in the following
> possible arguments:

> @Faculty_ID = 'All' and @School_ID is 'All' - show everything
> @Faculty_ID = "FB" and @School_ID = 'All' - show all faculty of business
> schools
> Faculty_ID = "FB" and School_ID = 'BM' - show only the business management
> school in the faculty of business

> I have no emotional investment in three cases. If it can be done in two I'm
> happy to go revise.

> A.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: May 4, 2003 1:27 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)


> Hi Arthur

> Hmm - are we on the same channel? Over.

> I just can't see why the second case here:

>>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID AND School_ID = @School_ID
>>         OR
>>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID
>>         OR
>>         @Faculty_ID = 'All'

> will NOT return True for any record of a given Faculty_ID no matter what
> School_ID you pass? 


From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Mon May  5 04:15:53 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 11:15:53 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] *****AccessD Conference - Call for Papers*****
References: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A005@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>
Message-ID: <08c501c312e6$edac5ca0$0300a8c0@S856>

 
The 3rd AccessD Conference will be held
August-08 through August-10 2003
in Freising / Germany (near Munich)

Depending on the number of participants, the presentations will be held at
either my house or a nearby location.

Please send
Title and short Abstract of your presentation to
dba-conf at databaseadvisors.com

thank you
Lembit

Lembit Soobik



From ad_tp at hotmail.com  Mon May  5 04:04:08 2003
From: ad_tp at hotmail.com (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 14:34:08 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Close current database
References: <3EB22E3E.16527.245D52@localhost>
	<3EB2FA58.3319.341A669@localhost>
Message-ID: <Law9-OE58BYvhPBB3pd0000ee00@hotmail.com>

Jeanine,

    You may also like to try on the following lines.
    Let SourceDb and DestnDb be the string variables representing full paths of source & destination databases. Desired sequence of action -  Close SourceDb, Open DestnDb, take desired action within DestnDb, close DestnDb, return back to SourceDb. Two alternatives could be considered -

    Case-1 -- Hard coding
    (a) Exit Code in SourceDb -
        Dim acp As Access.Application        
        Set acp = New Access.Application
        acp.Visible = True
        acp.OpenCurrentDatabase DestnDb
        Application.Quit acQuitSaveAll

    (b) Code in startup form of DestnDb -
        << Code for action in DestnDb >>
        Dim acp As Access.Application        
        Set acp = New Access.Application
        acp.Visible = True
        acp.OpenCurrentDatabase SourceDb
        Application.Quit acQuitSaveAll

    Case-2 -- Flexible Response
    (a) Create a table (named "T_Status") in SourceDb.It will have two fields, both of text type - namely  DbFullPath(full path of source database) and Status("R" for return back to SourceDb, "S" for stay put in DestnDb).Values need not be filled manually.

    (b) Relevant command button in SourceDb would have following code in its click event -
        Dim rst1 As ADODB.Recordset
        Dim FPT As String, TBL As String
        Dim DestnDb As String, STS As String
        Dim acp As Access.Application
        
        DestnDb = "<Put here full path of destination database>"
        TBL = "T_Status"
        STS = "R"      ' R - for return back to Source Database, 
'                                S - for stay put in Destination Database.
        FPT = CurrentProject.FullName     ' Gives Full Path

        Set rst1 = New ADODB.Recordset
        Set rst1.ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection
        rst1.CursorType = adOpenKeyset
        rst1.LockType = adLockOptimistic
        rst1.Source = TBL
        
        rst1.Open options:=adCmdTable
        If rst1.RecordCount > 0 Then
            rst1.MoveFirst
            rst1.Fields("DbFullPath") = FPT
            rst1.Fields("Status") = STS
        Else
            rst1.AddNew
            rst1.Fields("DbFullPath") = FPT
            rst1.Fields("Status") = STS
        End If           ' rst1.RecCount
        rst1.Update
        
        DoCmd.TransferDatabase acExport, "Microsoft Access", _
                DestnDb, acTable, TBL, TBL
                
        rst1.Close
        Set rst1 = Nothing

        Set acp = New Access.Application
        acp.Visible = True
        acp.OpenCurrentDatabase DestnDb
        Application.Quit acQuitSaveAll

    (c) Code in startup form of DestnDb -
        << Code for action in DestnDb >>
        Dim STS As String, FPT As String
        Dim acp As Access.Application
        STS = Nz(DLookup("Status", "T_Status"), "")
        FPT = Nz(DLookup("DbFullPath", "T_Status"), "")
        If STS = "R" And Len(FPT) > 0 Then
            Set acp = New Access.Application
            acp.Visible = True
            acp.OpenCurrentDatabase FPT
            Application.Quit acQuitSaveAll
        End If        ' STS

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------------------------

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Charlotte Foust 
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 20:44
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Close current database

    Take a look at the OpenCurrentDatabase method.  Both databases stay open but you switch to the new one.

Charlotte Foust

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Stuart McLachlan 
  To: Jeanine ; accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 18:38
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Close current database


  On 2 May 2003 at 7:29, Jeanine wrote:
  > 
  > I just can't get the darn thing to close itself and open another db.
  > 
  One way, of the top of my head would be:

  Public Declare Function ShellExecute Lib "shell32.dll" Alias _
  "ShellExecuteA" (ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal lpOperation As String, _
  ByVal lpFile As String, ByVal lpParameters As String, ByVal _
  lpDirectory As String, ByVal nShowCmd As Long) As Long _

  Sub OpenTheOtherOne()
  ShellExecute(0,"Open","C:\Full\Path\To\YourSecondApp.mdb"","","",1)
  DoCmd.Quit
  End Sub

  Lexacorp Ltd
  http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
  Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
  Support.

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Jeanine [mailto:jscott at mchsi.com] 
  Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 4:30 AM
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: [AccessD] Close current database

  I am running into some problems with something and I think I may just be
  making it too hard. I want to open one database from another - close the
  first and run some code in the second. Then close the second and open
  the first again.

  I have messed around with the open and close currentdb methods but they
  only seem to be for the purpose of automation.

  My objective is to check the current version when my users open their
  application. If the version is not current the routine will close the
  application and open a separate db that does the copy routine. Then the
  copy db will close itself and re-open the application. My theory is this
  will give the users a pretty seamless version control system.

  I just can't get the darn thing to close itself and open another db.

  Thanks!

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon May  5 07:33:09 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 08:33:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Late binding Withevents
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEGHDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Folks,

I am trying to use the late binding technique where you use compiler
constants to use early binding when developing and late binding for
production.  The following gives a compile error:

#Const Dev = False
#If Dev = True Then
Dim WithEvents myOlApp As Outlook.Application
#Else
Dim WithEvents myOlApp As object
#End If

on the dim statement in the #Else clause.

Are we saying that we can't use late binding if we dim an object withevents?
If that is true, it is a rather serious flaw in the concept!!!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From harkins at iglou.com  Mon May  5 07:40:42 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 08:40:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Drop-down menus in Access
References: <000001c312a8$f8d1ca90$d93d0cd8@hargrove.internal>
Message-ID: <003001c31303$953e65f0$154afccc@SusanOne>

>From experience, I was never able to get the dropdown menu to work -- the
terminology was inconsistent and I never could get the calls just right. I
could get the dropdown menu control, just couldn't populate it. It's been
several years, so perhaps the whole process has gotten easier! Good luck!

Susan H.


> Look in the help files or ADH for creating your own menu bar or tool bar.
>



From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Mon May  5 07:58:13 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 05:58:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Filtering Query Question
Message-ID: <20030505125813.32821.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com>

I have several checkboxes on a form.  I have a query I
am calling a filter.  Based on these checkboxes I
would like to "filter" various things out of a report.

For instance I have one checkbox that cooresponds to
extension to extension calls.  If it is checked, I
don't want to display those.  The back-end table has a
CallType field that will have the value 0, 1, 2, or 3.
 CallType 1 cooresponds to ext to ext calls.  So, if
the checkbox is checked I would like to filter out all
CallType 1 calls.

I am having a heck of a time getting it to do this. 
It's either filtering everything or nothing.  Any
clues you could give me would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Mon May  5 08:02:58 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 09:02:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Late binding Withevents
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B2E@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

John,

Does it work if you remove the WithEvents?

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 8:33 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Late binding Withevents


Folks,

I am trying to use the late binding technique where you use compiler
constants to use early binding when developing and late binding for
production.  The following gives a compile error:

#Const Dev = False
#If Dev = True Then
Dim WithEvents myOlApp As Outlook.Application
#Else
Dim WithEvents myOlApp As object
#End If

on the dim statement in the #Else clause.

Are we saying that we can't use late binding if we dim an object withevents?
If that is true, it is a rather serious flaw in the concept!!!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon May  5 08:10:15 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 09:10:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Late binding Withevents
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B2E@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEGIDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Yep.  I have found articles that state quite clearly that late binding does
not work with Withevents.

8-(

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:03 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Late binding Withevents


John,

Does it work if you remove the WithEvents?

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 8:33 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Late binding Withevents


Folks,

I am trying to use the late binding technique where you use compiler
constants to use early binding when developing and late binding for
production.  The following gives a compile error:

#Const Dev = False
#If Dev = True Then
Dim WithEvents myOlApp As Outlook.Application
#Else
Dim WithEvents myOlApp As object
#End If

on the dim statement in the #Else clause.

Are we saying that we can't use late binding if we dim an object withevents?
If that is true, it is a rather serious flaw in the concept!!!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From jbhuffman at mdh.org  Mon May  5 08:11:49 2003
From: jbhuffman at mdh.org (Huffman, Jarad B.)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 08:11:49 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Access VB question
Message-ID: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B48019356C9@NEWMAN_EXC>

Thanks for all of the responses...  It looks like I have some things to try!

Jarad

From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon May  5 08:49:04 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 06:49:04 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging
References: <00b201c31109$834c7630$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <002401c3130d$192a48d0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Dear Rocky:

Perhaps you could put an invisible page break between each sub-report.  Then in the OnOpen event of the report, Dcount the records in each of the eight sub-reports and estimate the height of the sub-report from the sub-report's report header plus the number of detail records.  Then make the page break visible to separate the sub reports.

Of course since one of the fields in the detail record 'can grow' and does, it's going to be an estimate at best.  Also, this means potentially a lot of white space on a page. Nah, that won't really work well.  You need to know where you are on the page during the printing of the sub-report and page when it gets close to the bottom.

Maybe someone else has an idea.

With my very best regards for you and your family,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:18 PM
  Subject: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


  Dear List:

  I have a report that consists of eight sub reports.  Each sub-report can be of a different length.  Each sub-report has a report header with some descriptive text.  

  The problem is that the main report page breaks in odd places sometimes even cutting a line of the subreport in half horizontally!

  I can, of course, insert an invisible page break between each sub-report and make it visible if I'm close to the bottom of the page.  But I don't know how to know, during the printing of the sub-report, where I am on the main report.

  Anybody got any ideas?

  MTIA,

  Rocky Smolin
  Beach Access Software



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From mikedorism at ntelos.net  Mon May  5 09:29:15 2003
From: mikedorism at ntelos.net (Mike and Doris Manning)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 10:29:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Filtering Query Question
In-Reply-To: <20030505125813.32821.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001501c31312$b7c8e000$94310cd8@hargrove.internal>

WHERE CallType <> 1

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Frank Tanner III
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 8:58 AM
To: Database Advisors
Subject: [AccessD] Filtering Query Question


I have several checkboxes on a form.  I have a query I
am calling a filter.  Based on these checkboxes I
would like to "filter" various things out of a report.

For instance I have one checkbox that cooresponds to
extension to extension calls.  If it is checked, I
don't want to display those.  The back-end table has a
CallType field that will have the value 0, 1, 2, or 3.
 CallType 1 cooresponds to ext to ext calls.  So, if
the checkbox is checked I would like to filter out all
CallType 1 calls.

I am having a heck of a time getting it to do this. 
It's either filtering everything or nothing.  Any
clues you could give me would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.
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From sgeller at cce.umn.edu  Mon May  5 09:53:54 2003
From: sgeller at cce.umn.edu (Susan Geller)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 09:53:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  New Name (cross posted)
Message-ID: <CD6E25A7E2F6734FA126AED83B9D54FB01119AF6@ccemail2.cce.local>

> For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know that
> I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when I got
> married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I married
> someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the last name
> of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was awesome and
> we are in total married bliss.   
> 
> --Susan
> 
> 
> Susan B. Geller
> Office of Information Systems
> College of Continuing Education
> University of Minnesota
> 306 Wesbrook Hall
> 77 Pleasant Street SE
> Minneapolis, MN 55455
> Phone:  612-626-4785
> Fax:  612-625-2568
> 
> 

From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Mon May  5 10:11:41 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 10:11:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] RE: [dba-SQLServer]OT:  New Name (cross posted)
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F877EE@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Congratulations!  May you two have a long and prosperous life together.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Monday 2003 May 05 09:54
To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]OT: New Name (cross posted)

> For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know that

> I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when I got

> married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I married 
> someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the last name 
> of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was awesome and
> we are in total married bliss.   
> 
> --Susan
> 
> 
> Susan B. Geller
> Office of Information Systems
> College of Continuing Education
> University of Minnesota
> 306 Wesbrook Hall
> 77 Pleasant Street SE
> Minneapolis, MN 55455
> Phone:  612-626-4785
> Fax:  612-625-2568

From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon May  5 10:11:27 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 16:11:27 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  New Name (cross posted)
In-Reply-To: <CD6E25A7E2F6734FA126AED83B9D54FB01119AF6@ccemail2.cce.local>
Message-ID: <016e01c31318$99b318a0$b274d0d5@andypc>

Many congrats Susan :-)

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Susan Geller
> Sent: 05 May 2003 15:54
> To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (cross posted)
> 
> 
> > For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let 
> you know that 
> > I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 
> when I got 
> > married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I married 
> > someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the 
> last name 
> > of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was awesome and
> > we are in total married bliss.   
> > 
> > --Susan
> > 
> > 
> > Susan B. Geller
> > Office of Information Systems
> > College of Continuing Education
> > University of Minnesota
> > 306 Wesbrook Hall
> > 77 Pleasant Street SE
> > Minneapolis, MN 55455
> > Phone:  612-626-4785
> > Fax:  612-625-2568
> > 
> > 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon May  5 10:16:22 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 11:16:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Replication concept
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEGNDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Folks,

I just wanted to run an idea past you guys.  One of the concerns expressed
by my client's users was the time required for changes to ripple around if
we used the "standard" replication scheme of a BE on every desktop.  It
occurred to me that perhaps the client could create 2 or 3 "servers" where
each server had a copy of the BE.  Instead of 25-30 users all linked into a
single back end, have 10 users each (roughly) linked into one of three BEs.
Those three BEs then replicated amongst themselves.  The business breaks
down into three distinct sets of users (business groups) so that perhaps all
members of a group could link to the same BE, thus getting instant access to
the changes from it's group and yet still have rapid access to changes from
the other two business groups since the replication circuit would consist of
only three BEs instead of 30.

This would allow other advantages as well if the client wanted to pursue
them, such as segmented networks, with each server having it's own routers
and thus the traffic routed to each server would drop considerable.

My question to you is, does the idea of a small number of BEs (probably 3),
sitting on servers, replicating amongst themselves, linked to the FEs on
users desktop machines - does this idea make sense?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From sgeller at cce.umn.edu  Mon May  5 10:17:02 2003
From: sgeller at cce.umn.edu (Susan Geller)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 10:17:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
Message-ID: <CD6E25A7E2F6734FA126AED83B9D54FB01119AF7@ccemail2.cce.local>


 For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know that 
 I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when I got 
 married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I married 
 someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the last name 
 of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was awesome and
 we are in total married bliss.   
 
 --Susan
 
Susan B. Geller
Office of Information Systems
College of Continuing Education
University of Minnesota
306 Wesbrook Hall
77 Pleasant Street SE
Minneapolis, MN 55455
Phone:  612-626-4785
Fax:  612-625-2568


From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Mon May  5 10:06:18 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 17:06:18 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  New Name (cross posted)
References: <CD6E25A7E2F6734FA126AED83B9D54FB01119AF6@ccemail2.cce.local>
Message-ID: <094301c31319$ca28af80$0300a8c0@S856>

Susan,
Congratulations and my best wishes :)
Lembit

Lembit Soobik

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Geller" <sgeller at cce.umn.edu>
To: <dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com>; <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 4:53 PM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (cross posted)


> > For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know that
> > I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when I got
> > married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I married
> > someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the last name
> > of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was awesome and
> > we are in total married bliss.   
> > 
> > --Susan
> > 
> > 
> > Susan B. Geller
> > Office of Information Systems
> > College of Continuing Education
> > University of Minnesota
> > 306 Wesbrook Hall
> > 77 Pleasant Street SE
> > Minneapolis, MN 55455
> > Phone:  612-626-4785
> > Fax:  612-625-2568
> > 
> > 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


From DElam at jenkens.com  Mon May  5 10:24:07 2003
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 10:24:07 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Replication concept
Message-ID: <4AAC675EBAF3D411BCA200508BCFAA8E02F21866@NATEXCH1>

I have something like this already working.  I needed a WAN solution and it
just made sense to put a BE in each city and replicate them.  Each user has
a FE on their desktop and connects to their local BE.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:16 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Replication concept


Folks,

I just wanted to run an idea past you guys.  One of the concerns expressed
by my client's users was the time required for changes to ripple around if
we used the "standard" replication scheme of a BE on every desktop.  It
occurred to me that perhaps the client could create 2 or 3 "servers" where
each server had a copy of the BE.  Instead of 25-30 users all linked into a
single back end, have 10 users each (roughly) linked into one of three BEs.
Those three BEs then replicated amongst themselves.  The business breaks
down into three distinct sets of users (business groups) so that perhaps all
members of a group could link to the same BE, thus getting instant access to
the changes from it's group and yet still have rapid access to changes from
the other two business groups since the replication circuit would consist of
only three BEs instead of 30.

This would allow other advantages as well if the client wanted to pursue
them, such as segmented networks, with each server having it's own routers
and thus the traffic routed to each server would drop considerable.

My question to you is, does the idea of a small number of BEs (probably 3),
sitting on servers, replicating amongst themselves, linked to the FEs on
users desktop machines - does this idea make sense?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon May  5 10:35:52 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 11:35:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Replication concept
In-Reply-To: <4AAC675EBAF3D411BCA200508BCFAA8E02F21866@NATEXCH1>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEGODKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Debbie,

How are the BEs connected, i.e. what replication mechanism?  What is the
time to replicate and how often do they replicate?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Elam, Debbie
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:24 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Replication concept


I have something like this already working.  I needed a WAN solution and it
just made sense to put a BE in each city and replicate them.  Each user has
a FE on their desktop and connects to their local BE.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:16 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Replication concept


Folks,

I just wanted to run an idea past you guys.  One of the concerns expressed
by my client's users was the time required for changes to ripple around if
we used the "standard" replication scheme of a BE on every desktop.  It
occurred to me that perhaps the client could create 2 or 3 "servers" where
each server had a copy of the BE.  Instead of 25-30 users all linked into a
single back end, have 10 users each (roughly) linked into one of three BEs.
Those three BEs then replicated amongst themselves.  The business breaks
down into three distinct sets of users (business groups) so that perhaps all
members of a group could link to the same BE, thus getting instant access to
the changes from it's group and yet still have rapid access to changes from
the other two business groups since the replication circuit would consist of
only three BEs instead of 30.

This would allow other advantages as well if the client wanted to pursue
them, such as segmented networks, with each server having it's own routers
and thus the traffic routed to each server would drop considerable.

My question to you is, does the idea of a small number of BEs (probably 3),
sitting on servers, replicating amongst themselves, linked to the FEs on
users desktop machines - does this idea make sense?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From liz at symphonyinfo.com  Mon May  5 10:50:12 2003
From: liz at symphonyinfo.com (Liz Doering)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 10:50:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  New Name (cross posted)
In-Reply-To: <CD6E25A7E2F6734FA126AED83B9D54FB01119AF6@ccemail2.cce.local>
Message-ID: <OBEGLONPCFDNODFCPKAIOEOACEAA.liz@symphonyinfo.com>

Susan,

All the best from your former colleagues at Symphony!

Liz Doering
Symphony Information Services
liz at symphonyinfo.com
www.symphonyinfo.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Geller
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:54 AM
To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (cross posted)


> For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know that
> I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when I got
> married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I married
> someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the last name
> of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was awesome and
> we are in total married bliss.   
> 
> --Susan
> 
> 
> Susan B. Geller
> Office of Information Systems
> College of Continuing Education
> University of Minnesota
> 306 Wesbrook Hall
> 77 Pleasant Street SE
> Minneapolis, MN 55455
> Phone:  612-626-4785
> Fax:  612-625-2568
> 
> 
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From DElam at jenkens.com  Mon May  5 10:48:18 2003
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 10:48:18 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Replication concept
Message-ID: <4AAC675EBAF3D411BCA200508BCFAA8E02F21867@NATEXCH1>

I have set up the Access replication.  That has worked pretty well.  I
replicate twice a day since none of this info is more critical than that.  I
have a program that I set off with a scheduled task.  It sets off a
replication among the BEs.  In this Access program I have a table that
records the time and date after that database is successfully replicated.  I
found that much more reassuring than depending on the replication manager
that comes with the developer's edition.  I never felt I had enough records
to be absolutely sure that the replications were going exactly as I planned.
I also have a set of backup databases, one for each day of the week.  They
replicate in only on their specified day.  This really helped in recovering
from a replication error that occurred at one point.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:36 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Replication concept


Debbie,

How are the BEs connected, i.e. what replication mechanism?  What is the
time to replicate and how often do they replicate?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Elam, Debbie
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:24 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Replication concept


I have something like this already working.  I needed a WAN solution and it
just made sense to put a BE in each city and replicate them.  Each user has
a FE on their desktop and connects to their local BE.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:16 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Replication concept


Folks,

I just wanted to run an idea past you guys.  One of the concerns expressed
by my client's users was the time required for changes to ripple around if
we used the "standard" replication scheme of a BE on every desktop.  It
occurred to me that perhaps the client could create 2 or 3 "servers" where
each server had a copy of the BE.  Instead of 25-30 users all linked into a
single back end, have 10 users each (roughly) linked into one of three BEs.
Those three BEs then replicated amongst themselves.  The business breaks
down into three distinct sets of users (business groups) so that perhaps all
members of a group could link to the same BE, thus getting instant access to
the changes from it's group and yet still have rapid access to changes from
the other two business groups since the replication circuit would consist of
only three BEs instead of 30.

This would allow other advantages as well if the client wanted to pursue
them, such as segmented networks, with each server having it's own routers
and thus the traffic routed to each server would drop considerable.

My question to you is, does the idea of a small number of BEs (probably 3),
sitting on servers, replicating amongst themselves, linked to the FEs on
users desktop machines - does this idea make sense?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Mon May  5 10:57:37 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 10:57:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] RE: [dba-SQLServer]OT:  New Name (cross posted)
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F877F0@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Francisco,

In the United States almost anyone can legally change their name for
almost any reason.  In many of the states all that you have to do is
fill out the proper forms, pay the proper fees, and affirm that you are
not changing your name to hide from your creditors or the law.  Check
with your local courthouse or a local lawyer on the details in your
state.

Are you thinking of changing your last name to Tapioca? <grin>  Or maybe
Tap?

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net] 
Sent: Monday 2003 May 05 10:42
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer]OT: New Name (cross posted)


tooooo funny!, that's exactly what I thought.. Typ-o.  I didn't know you
could make up a last name when you got married.  Is that just a state
thing or is that nation wide... (thinking why didn't I change my name to
something new ;o))

-Francisco
http://rcm.netfirms.com

From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon May  5 11:11:13 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 09:11:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  New Name (cross posted)
In-Reply-To: <CD6E25A7E2F6734FA126AED83B9D54FB01119AF6@ccemail2.cce.local>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFEEJNCHAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

A belated congratulations...Ms Geller

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Geller
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 7:54 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (cross posted)


> For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know that
> I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when I got
> married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I married
> someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the last name
> of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was awesome and
> we are in total married bliss.   
> 
> --Susan
> 
> 
> Susan B. Geller
> Office of Information Systems
> College of Continuing Education
> University of Minnesota
> 306 Wesbrook Hall
> 77 Pleasant Street SE
> Minneapolis, MN 55455
> Phone:  612-626-4785
> Fax:  612-625-2568
> 
> 
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon May  5 11:17:42 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 12:17:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  New Name (cross posted)
References: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFEEJNCHAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <002101c31321$dae8e350$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

...a belated congratulations...Mrs. Geller :)))))

William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:11 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: New Name (cross posted)


> A belated congratulations...Ms Geller
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Geller
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 7:54 AM
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (cross posted)
> 
> 
> > For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know that
> > I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when I got
> > married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I married
> > someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the last name
> > of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was awesome and
> > we are in total married bliss.   
> > 
> > --Susan
> > 
> > 
> > Susan B. Geller
> > Office of Information Systems
> > College of Continuing Education
> > University of Minnesota
> > 306 Wesbrook Hall
> > 77 Pleasant Street SE
> > Minneapolis, MN 55455
> > Phone:  612-626-4785
> > Fax:  612-625-2568
> > 
> > 
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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Mon May  5 11:19:55 2003
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 12:19:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Replication concept
Message-ID: <Law14-F22n8rc8HrqyI00038d00@hotmail.com>

Very cool John. How often would they replicate?



Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon May  5 11:21:15 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 09:21:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Replication concept
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEGNDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFOEJNCHAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi John:

Makes sense to me. I am the systems guy for a small site with only two
offices and the system has been replicating back and forth for years. The
sync process at these sites only runs twice a day, noon and evening. There
have been rare occasions when there has been data collisions but they do not
halt any processes. I have got into the habit of checking the sites once
every couple of weeks by going directly into one of the BE DBs and any
duplicates issues will popup and request resolution. The activity in each
office is moderately low, thirty entries each per day and the dup errors are
about once a year (maybe).

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 8:16 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Replication concept


Folks,

I just wanted to run an idea past you guys.  One of the concerns expressed
by my client's users was the time required for changes to ripple around if
we used the "standard" replication scheme of a BE on every desktop.  It
occurred to me that perhaps the client could create 2 or 3 "servers" where
each server had a copy of the BE.  Instead of 25-30 users all linked into a
single back end, have 10 users each (roughly) linked into one of three BEs.
Those three BEs then replicated amongst themselves.  The business breaks
down into three distinct sets of users (business groups) so that perhaps all
members of a group could link to the same BE, thus getting instant access to
the changes from it's group and yet still have rapid access to changes from
the other two business groups since the replication circuit would consist of
only three BEs instead of 30.

This would allow other advantages as well if the client wanted to pursue
them, such as segmented networks, with each server having it's own routers
and thus the traffic routed to each server would drop considerable.

My question to you is, does the idea of a small number of BEs (probably 3),
sitting on servers, replicating amongst themselves, linked to the FEs on
users desktop machines - does this idea make sense?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon May  5 11:30:33 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 12:30:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Replication concept
In-Reply-To: <Law14-F22n8rc8HrqyI00038d00@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEHBDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Julie,

The client would like them to replicate every 5 minutes or so.  With only
one master and two slaves, this is probably doable.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Julie
Reardon-Taylor
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:20 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Replication concept


Very cool John. How often would they replicate?



Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
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From mitsules_ms at nns.com  Mon May  5 11:29:54 2003
From: mitsules_ms at nns.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 12:29:54 -0400 
Subject: Bruce Bruen's email Client   Was: RE: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&
	^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E293B1@nnse14.nns.com>

Bruce,

I would have answered sooner, however the weekend shouted my name quite
early on Friday:)  But, to second Drew's reply...yes, the message below came
across as plain text.  And, many thanks...I didn't mean for you to go to any
trouble, I was hoping I could address it on my end if possible.


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Bruen [mailto:bbruen at bigpond.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 6:33 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Re: Bruce Bruen's email Client Was: RE: [AccessD] OT:
^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


Bugger!

How about now - I've jigged a few options.

Tia
 Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 8:19 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: Re: Bruce Bruen's email Client Was: RE: [AccessD] OT:
^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


The attachment is plain text, but the email is showing up as an attachment
still.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Bruen [mailto:bbruen at bigpond.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:06 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Re: Bruce Bruen's email Client Was: RE: [AccessD] OT:
^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon May  5 11:37:16 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 09:37:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311EF2@infoserver01.infostat.local>

It's traditional to offer "Congratulations" to the groom and "best
wishes" to the bride.  Seems like there's something there our ancestors
might have realized. <VBG>  Anyhow, congratulations AND best wishes to
the both of you.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 7:17 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)



 For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know that 
 I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when I got 
 married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I married 
 someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the last name 
 of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was awesome and
 we are in total married bliss.   
 
 --Susan
 
Susan B. Geller
Office of Information Systems
College of Continuing Education
University of Minnesota
306 Wesbrook Hall
77 Pleasant Street SE
Minneapolis, MN 55455
Phone:  612-626-4785
Fax:  612-625-2568

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon May  5 11:37:32 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 17:37:32 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
In-Reply-To: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFOEJNCHAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <000101c31324$a022ee20$b274d0d5@andypc>

Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind

I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but recently my wife
is getting more into email and that's thrown up what I think is a
limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to both use the same
email client and both see all incoming mail (personal stuff may be to
either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc, but when we send an
email we want to be able to determine which of us is the Sender and
therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to each have our own
signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't cater for this at all
well. I can set her own profile up but that separates us too much. If a
friend happens to have written to my email address themn my wife won't
see it because it'll be in my Inbox, and vice-versa. My question is: can
what I'm describing be done in another client such as Eudora?

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Mon May  5 11:48:24 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 11:48:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F877F1@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Charlotte,

Back in the days when the woman didn't have much if any say as to whom
she got married to, "Best Wishes" to the bride was very appropriate.
But now that the bride has as much say in the matter as the groom, it
seems they both should be congratulated on finding a compatible partner.
May they both have a long and prosperous life together.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: Monday 2003 May 05 11:37
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)

It's traditional to offer "Congratulations" to the groom and "best
wishes" to the bride.  Seems like there's something there our ancestors
might have realized. <VBG>  Anyhow, congratulations AND best wishes to
the both of you.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 7:17 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)



 For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know that 
 I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when I got 
 married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I married 
 someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the last name 
 of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was awesome and
 we are in total married bliss.   
 
 --Susan
 
Susan B. Geller
Office of Information Systems
College of Continuing Education
University of Minnesota
306 Wesbrook Hall
77 Pleasant Street SE
Minneapolis, MN 55455
Phone:  612-626-4785
Fax:  612-625-2568

From sgsax at ksu.edu  Mon May  5 11:58:32 2003
From: sgsax at ksu.edu (Seth Galitzer)
Date: 05 May 2003 11:58:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
In-Reply-To: <000101c31324$a022ee20$b274d0d5@andypc>
References: <000101c31324$a022ee20$b274d0d5@andypc>
Message-ID: <1052153916.19345.8.camel@sgsax-th4022c>

Andy,

If you use Win2K or XP and set up seperate desktop login accounts,
you'll each have seperate settings for Outlook.

With Eudora, you just need to create two different mail folders, one for
each of you.  Make a shortcut for each that includes the full path to
the desired folder on the commandline.

Seth

On Mon, 2003-05-05 at 11:37, Andy Lacey wrote:
> Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> 
> I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but recently my wife
> is getting more into email and that's thrown up what I think is a
> limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to both use the same
> email client and both see all incoming mail (personal stuff may be to
> either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc, but when we send an
> email we want to be able to determine which of us is the Sender and
> therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to each have our own
> signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't cater for this at all
> well. I can set her own profile up but that separates us too much. If a
> friend happens to have written to my email address themn my wife won't
> see it because it'll be in my Inbox, and vice-versa. My question is: can
> what I'm describing be done in another client such as Eudora?
> 
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk

-- 
Seth Galitzer			sgsax at ksu.edu
Computing Specialist		http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax
Dept. of Plant Pathology
Kansas State University


From mitsules_ms at nns.com  Mon May  5 11:51:33 2003
From: mitsules_ms at nns.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 12:51:33 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E293B2@nnse14.nns.com>

I can never tell whether I'm winning or losing an argument with myself.
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:49 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


Dear Rocky:
 
Perhaps you could put an invisible page break between each sub-report.  Then
in the OnOpen event of the report, Dcount the records in each of the eight
sub-reports and estimate the height of the sub-report from the sub-report's
report header plus the number of detail records.  Then make the page break
visible to separate the sub reports.
 
Of course since one of the fields in the detail record 'can grow' and does,
it's going to be an estimate at best.  Also, this means potentially a lot of
white space on a page. Nah, that won't really work well.  You need to know
where you are on the page during the printing of the sub-report and page
when it gets close to the bottom.
 
Maybe someone else has an idea.
 
With my very best regards for you and your family,
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Rocky Smolin -  <mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com> Beach Access Software 
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com <mailto:AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>  
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:18 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging

Dear List:
 
I have a report that consists of eight sub reports.  Each sub-report can be
of a different length.  Each sub-report has a report header with some
descriptive text.  
 
The problem is that the main report page breaks in odd places sometimes even
cutting a line of the subreport in half horizontally!
 
I can, of course, insert an invisible page break between each sub-report and
make it visible if I'm close to the bottom of the page.  But I don't know
how to know, during the printing of the sub-report, where I am on the main
report.
 
Anybody got any ideas?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
 



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From MPorter at acsalaska.com  Mon May  5 11:56:55 2003
From: MPorter at acsalaska.com (Porter, Mark)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 08:56:55 -0800 
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
Message-ID: <BFBC9BAC6169D411890000508BAE2C53031206AC@acsexch4.corp.acsalaska.com>

Eudora allows for multiple personalities, complete with different email and
reply addresses.  When creating or sending an email, you can select which
personality it is from with a drop-down box.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 8:38 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind

I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but recently my wife
is getting more into email and that's thrown up what I think is a
limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to both use the same
email client and both see all incoming mail (personal stuff may be to
either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc, but when we send an
email we want to be able to determine which of us is the Sender and
therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to each have our own
signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't cater for this at all
well. I can set her own profile up but that separates us too much. If a
friend happens to have written to my email address themn my wife won't
see it because it'll be in my Inbox, and vice-versa. My question is: can
what I'm describing be done in another client such as Eudora?

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk


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From artful at rogers.com  Mon May  5 12:01:52 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:01:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Replication concept
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEGNDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <018a01c31328$067e35a0$8e01a8c0@Rock>

Why not take the leap and put a replica on each PC? As I have described
before, I have used this setup with great success. Set up a replica on each
of the three servers you have in mind, then synchronize each user's replica
with the appropriate server replica, then synchronize the server replicas.
Set the synch times for say 5 minutes everywhere. You'll eliminate 99% of
the network traffic. 30 replicas is a small number. Even if all users are
adding several rows a minute, when you add it up the amount of data is
pretty small, a k or 2k in each direction.

A.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: May 5, 2003 11:16 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Replication concept


Folks,

I just wanted to run an idea past you guys.  One of the concerns expressed
by my client's users was the time required for changes to ripple around if
we used the "standard" replication scheme of a BE on every desktop.  It
occurred to me that perhaps the client could create 2 or 3 "servers" where
each server had a copy of the BE.  Instead of 25-30 users all linked into a
single back end, have 10 users each (roughly) linked into one of three BEs.
Those three BEs then replicated amongst themselves.  The business breaks
down into three distinct sets of users (business groups) so that perhaps all
members of a group could link to the same BE, thus getting instant access to
the changes from it's group and yet still have rapid access to changes from
the other two business groups since the replication circuit would consist of
only three BEs instead of 30.

This would allow other advantages as well if the client wanted to pursue
them, such as segmented networks, with each server having it's own routers
and thus the traffic routed to each server would drop considerable.

My question to you is, does the idea of a small number of BEs (probably 3),
sitting on servers, replicating amongst themselves, linked to the FEs on
users desktop machines - does this idea make sense?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From artful at rogers.com  Mon May  5 12:03:51 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:03:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Replication concept
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEHBDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <018d01c31328$4dbfa250$8e01a8c0@Rock>

Even with 30 replicas, 5 minutes is doable.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: May 5, 2003 12:31 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Replication concept


Julie,

The client would like them to replicate every 5 minutes or so.  With only
one master and two slaves, this is probably doable.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Julie
Reardon-Taylor
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:20 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Replication concept


Very cool John. How often would they replicate?



Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
www.pro-soft.net




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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon May  5 12:03:06 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 18:03:06 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
In-Reply-To: <BFBC9BAC6169D411890000508BAE2C53031206AC@acsexch4.corp.acsalaska.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c31328$32b5ca20$b274d0d5@andypc>

Thanks Mark and Seth. Sounds just what I want.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Porter, Mark
> Sent: 05 May 2003 17:57
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> 
> 
> Eudora allows for multiple personalities, complete with 
> different email and reply addresses.  When creating or 
> sending an email, you can select which personality it is from 
> with a drop-down box.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 8:38 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> 
> 
> Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> 
> I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but 
> recently my wife is getting more into email and that's thrown 
> up what I think is a limitation I can't get round in Outlook. 
> We want to both use the same email client and both see all 
> incoming mail (personal stuff may be to either of us), share 
> a phone book and tasks etc, but when we send an email we want 
> to be able to determine which of us is the Sender and 
> therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to each have our 
> own signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't cater for 
> this at all well. I can set her own profile up but that 
> separates us too much. If a friend happens to have written to 
> my email address themn my wife won't see it because it'll be 
> in my Inbox, and vice-versa. My question is: can what I'm 
> describing be done in another client such as Eudora?
> 
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon May  5 12:14:37 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:14:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging
References: <00b201c31109$834c7630$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
	<002401c3130d$192a48d0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <003b01c31329$ce905c20$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

...you know talking to yourself leads to hairy palms, eh? :))))

William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


Dear Rocky:

Perhaps you could put an invisible page break between each sub-report.  Then
in the OnOpen event of the report, Dcount the records in each of the eight
sub-reports and estimate the height of the sub-report from the sub-report's
report header plus the number of detail records.  Then make the page break
visible to separate the sub reports.

Of course since one of the fields in the detail record 'can grow' and does,
it's going to be an estimate at best.  Also, this means potentially a lot of
white space on a page. Nah, that won't really work well.  You need to know
where you are on the page during the printing of the sub-report and page
when it gets close to the bottom.

Maybe someone else has an idea.

With my very best regards for you and your family,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
  Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:18 PM
  Subject: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


  Dear List:

  I have a report that consists of eight sub reports.  Each sub-report can
be of a different length.  Each sub-report has a report header with some
descriptive text.

  The problem is that the main report page breaks in odd places sometimes
even cutting a line of the subreport in half horizontally!

  I can, of course, insert an invisible page break between each sub-report
and make it visible if I'm close to the bottom of the page.  But I don't
know how to know, during the printing of the sub-report, where I am on the
main report.

  Anybody got any ideas?

  MTIA,

  Rocky Smolin
  Beach Access Software



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From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Mon May  5 12:22:42 2003
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 12:22:42 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging
Message-ID: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB2338C772@TAPPEEXCH01>

Rocky,
Normally, I create a section for each subreport.  This allows me full
control over the page breaks:
- In the Sorting And Grouping box, type ="My Section" (call it whatever you
want, extra points for being descriptive), and set Group Header = Yes.  This
will create a report header where you can place your subreport.
- In the Report Header property sheet, set Keep Together = Yes.  Don't
forget to set your Can Grow and Can Shrink properties.
- Voila!  Access will not split a subreport in this section between 2 pages.
Plus, if you want to force a page break at the start of a subreport you can
easily do that by setting the section's Force New Page property.
 
P.S. Access allows up to 10 headers and 10 footers per report.  They can be
referred to using the Me.Section property using the following indices:
Me.Section(5) - Group header # 1
Me.Section(6) - Group footer # 1
Me.Section(7) - Group header # 2
Me.Section(8) - Group footer # 2
...

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:49 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


Dear Rocky:
 
Perhaps you could put an invisible page break between each sub-report.  Then
in the OnOpen event of the report, Dcount the records in each of the eight
sub-reports and estimate the height of the sub-report from the sub-report's
report header plus the number of detail records.  Then make the page break
visible to separate the sub reports.
 
Of course since one of the fields in the detail record 'can grow' and does,
it's going to be an estimate at best.  Also, this means potentially a lot of
white space on a page. Nah, that won't really work well.  You need to know
where you are on the page during the printing of the sub-report and page
when it gets close to the bottom.
 
Maybe someone else has an idea.
 
With my very best regards for you and your family,
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Rocky Smolin -  <mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com> Beach Access Software 
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com <mailto:AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>  
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:18 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging

Dear List:
 
I have a report that consists of eight sub reports.  Each sub-report can be
of a different length.  Each sub-report has a report header with some
descriptive text.  
 
The problem is that the main report page breaks in odd places sometimes even
cutting a line of the subreport in half horizontally!
 
I can, of course, insert an invisible page break between each sub-report and
make it visible if I'm close to the bottom of the page.  But I don't know
how to know, during the printing of the sub-report, where I am on the main
report.
 
Anybody got any ideas?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
 



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From jmerante at utm.com  Mon May  5 12:28:15 2003
From: jmerante at utm.com (Jim Merante)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 10:28:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
In-Reply-To: <000101c31324$a022ee20$b274d0d5@andypc>
References: <000101c31324$a022ee20$b274d0d5@andypc>
Message-ID: <3EB69F2F.40102@utm.com>

I have been using Mozilla (http://www.mozilla.org/) and 
I absolutely love it.

It has got multiple accounts, plus a bunch of other 
features- junk mail controls, good filters, different 
reply to addresses, etc.....

(I love the bug system--bugzilla.  I found it to be 
very responsive and I am thinking about licensing it 
for the software I support professionally.)

I think you would like it.  Oh, and its free since it 
is 'open source'.

Jim M

Andy Lacey wrote:
> Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> 
> I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but recently my wife
> is getting more into email and that's thrown up what I think is a
> limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to both use the same
> email client and both see all incoming mail (personal stuff may be to
> either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc, but when we send an
> email we want to be able to determine which of us is the Sender and
> therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to each have our own
> signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't cater for this at all
> well. I can set her own profile up but that separates us too much. If a
> friend happens to have written to my email address themn my wife won't
> see it because it'll be in my Inbox, and vice-versa. My question is: can
> what I'm describing be done in another client such as Eudora?
> 
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> 
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From reische at mdh.org  Mon May  5 12:31:46 2003
From: reische at mdh.org (Reische, Brenda L.)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 12:31:46 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
Message-ID: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B48C86DE9@NEWMAN_EXC>

Congratulations!!!  I think that combining & changing both your names is
very innovative!  (You may stump a few genealogists, though!!)

Where are the pics??  

Brenda Reische
Application Support Analyst
McDonough District Hospital

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:17 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)


 For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know that 
 I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when I got 
 married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I married 
 someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the last name 
 of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was awesome and
 we are in total married bliss.   
 
 --Susan
 
Susan B. Geller
Office of Information Systems
College of Continuing Education
University of Minnesota
306 Wesbrook Hall
77 Pleasant Street SE
Minneapolis, MN 55455
Phone:  612-626-4785
Fax:  612-625-2568

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From klk at ksu.edu  Mon May  5 12:35:18 2003
From: klk at ksu.edu (Keith L. Kovala)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 12:35:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
In-Reply-To: <000101c31324$a022ee20$b274d0d5@andypc>
Message-ID: <001301c3132c$b2da3700$b0588281@current>

Using Outlook for this just fine, have multiple email accounts, can select
which account is being sent from by a drop down box.  Even sending mail
addressed as coming from yahoo.com via outlook even though can't receive pop
via free yahoo accounts (this is used for web pages trying to submit forms
via email.)  So I'm not sure where the idea this can't be done via outlook
is coming from, unless you are talking outlook express, and then yes, it has
"issues".

Keith L. Kovala

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:38 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> 
> 
> Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> 
> I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but 
> recently my wife is getting more into email and that's thrown 
> up what I think is a limitation I can't get round in Outlook. 
> We want to both use the same email client and both see all 
> incoming mail (personal stuff may be to either of us), share 
> a phone book and tasks etc, but when we send an email we want 
> to be able to determine which of us is the Sender and 
> therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to each have our 
> own signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't cater for 
> this at all well. I can set her own profile up but that 
> separates us too much. If a friend happens to have written to 
> my email address themn my wife won't see it because it'll be 
> in my Inbox, and vice-versa. My question is: can what I'm 
> describing be done in another client such as Eudora?
> 
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> 
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon May  5 12:45:02 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 18:45:02 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
In-Reply-To: <001301c3132c$b2da3700$b0588281@current>
Message-ID: <000101c3132e$0e25fda0$b274d0d5@andypc>

Keith
No I'm using full Outlook. So ok I've set up a 2nd account. How, when
creating email, do I select which account it's from?

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Keith L. Kovala
> Sent: 05 May 2003 18:35
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> 
> 
> Using Outlook for this just fine, have multiple email 
> accounts, can select which account is being sent from by a 
> drop down box.  Even sending mail addressed as coming from 
> yahoo.com via outlook even though can't receive pop via free 
> yahoo accounts (this is used for web pages trying to submit 
> forms via email.)  So I'm not sure where the idea this can't 
> be done via outlook is coming from, unless you are talking 
> outlook express, and then yes, it has "issues".
> 
> Keith L. Kovala
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Andy Lacey
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:38 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > 
> > 
> > Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> > 
> > I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but
> > recently my wife is getting more into email and that's thrown 
> > up what I think is a limitation I can't get round in Outlook. 
> > We want to both use the same email client and both see all 
> > incoming mail (personal stuff may be to either of us), share 
> > a phone book and tasks etc, but when we send an email we want 
> > to be able to determine which of us is the Sender and 
> > therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to each have our 
> > own signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't cater for 
> > this at all well. I can set her own profile up but that 
> > separates us too much. If a friend happens to have written to 
> > my email address themn my wife won't see it because it'll be 
> > in my Inbox, and vice-versa. My question is: can what I'm 
> > describing be done in another client such as Eudora?
> > 
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > 
> > 
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From sgeller at cce.umn.edu  Mon May  5 12:53:48 2003
From: sgeller at cce.umn.edu (Susan Geller)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 12:53:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
Message-ID: <CD6E25A7E2F6734FA126AED83B9D54FB01119AF9@ccemail2.cce.local>

Thanks to all for the congratulations and good wishes.  Preliminary
thumbnail pictures are at www.thegellers.org.  Genealogists will most
definitely be confused.

--Susan


-----Original Message-----
From: Reische, Brenda L. [mailto:reische at mdh.org] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:32 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)


Congratulations!!!  I think that combining & changing both your names is
very innovative!  (You may stump a few genealogists, though!!)

Where are the pics??  

Brenda Reische
Application Support Analyst
McDonough District Hospital

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:17 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)


 For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know that 
 I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when I got 
 married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I married 
 someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the last name 
 of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was awesome and
 we are in total married bliss.   
 
 --Susan
 
Susan B. Geller
Office of Information Systems
College of Continuing Education
University of Minnesota
306 Wesbrook Hall
77 Pleasant Street SE
Minneapolis, MN 55455
Phone:  612-626-4785
Fax:  612-625-2568

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From klk at ksu.edu  Mon May  5 12:58:19 2003
From: klk at ksu.edu (Keith L. Kovala)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 12:58:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
In-Reply-To: <000101c3132e$0e25fda0$b274d0d5@andypc>
Message-ID: <001401c3132f$e9d11410$b0588281@current>

Next to the send button you should see "Accounts" with a drop down arrow,
click on the arrow and select the account being sent from and you should now
see a status message at the top saying "This message will be sent via XYZ"

Keith L. Kovala
klk at ksu.edu 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:45 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> 
> 
> Keith
> No I'm using full Outlook. So ok I've set up a 2nd account. 
> How, when creating email, do I select which account it's from?
> 
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> > Keith L. Kovala
> > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:35
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > 
> > 
> > Using Outlook for this just fine, have multiple email
> > accounts, can select which account is being sent from by a 
> > drop down box.  Even sending mail addressed as coming from 
> > yahoo.com via outlook even though can't receive pop via free 
> > yahoo accounts (this is used for web pages trying to submit 
> > forms via email.)  So I'm not sure where the idea this can't 
> > be done via outlook is coming from, unless you are talking 
> > outlook express, and then yes, it has "issues".
> > 
> > Keith L. Kovala
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Andy Lacey
> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:38 AM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> > > 
> > > I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but 
> recently my 
> > > wife is getting more into email and that's thrown up what 
> I think is 
> > > a limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to 
> both use the 
> > > same email client and both see all incoming mail 
> (personal stuff may 
> > > be to either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc, 
> but when we 
> > > send an email we want to be able to determine which of us is the 
> > > Sender and therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to 
> each have 
> > > our own signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't cater for
> > > this at all well. I can set her own profile up but that 
> > > separates us too much. If a friend happens to have written to 
> > > my email address themn my wife won't see it because it'll be 
> > > in my Inbox, and vice-versa. My question is: can what I'm 
> > > describing be done in another client such as Eudora?
> > > 
> > > Andy Lacey
> > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon May  5 13:13:29 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 11:13:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
References: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B48C86DE9@NEWMAN_EXC>
Message-ID: <3EB6A9C9.50106@shaw.ca>

Just one thing, you may have people, expecting you to bend spoons and 
keys at a distance;)

Reische, Brenda L. wrote:

>Congratulations!!!  I think that combining & changing both your names is
>very innovative!  (You may stump a few genealogists, though!!)
>
>Where are the pics??  
>
>Brenda Reische
>Application Support Analyst
>McDonough District Hospital
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
>Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:17 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
>
>
> For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know that 
> I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when I got 
> married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I married 
> someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the last name 
> of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was awesome and
> we are in total married bliss.   
> 
> --Susan
> 
>Susan B. Geller
>Office of Information Systems
>College of Continuing Education
>University of Minnesota
>306 Wesbrook Hall
>77 Pleasant Street SE
>Minneapolis, MN 55455
>Phone:  612-626-4785
>Fax:  612-625-2568
>
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>  
>



From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Mon May  5 13:17:44 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:17:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F877F2@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Susan,

Is it safe to assume that the taller of the two young ladies in white
dresses is you?  And is the gentleman in the cumberbund/vest Chris?
Anyway, again Mazel Tov!  May you two have a long and prosperous life
together.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Monday 2003 May 05 12:54
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
Importance: Low


Thanks to all for the congratulations and good wishes.  Preliminary
thumbnail pictures are at www.thegellers.org.  Genealogists will most
definitely be confused.

--Susan


-----Original Message-----
From: Reische, Brenda L. [mailto:reische at mdh.org] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:32 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)


Congratulations!!!  I think that combining & changing both your names is
very innovative!  (You may stump a few genealogists, though!!)

Where are the pics??  

Brenda Reische
Application Support Analyst
McDonough District Hospital

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:17 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)


 For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know that 
 I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when I got 
 married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I married 
 someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the last name 
 of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was awesome and
 we are in total married bliss.   
 
 --Susan
 
Susan B. Geller
Office of Information Systems
College of Continuing Education
University of Minnesota
306 Wesbrook Hall
77 Pleasant Street SE
Minneapolis, MN 55455
Phone:  612-626-4785
Fax:  612-625-2568

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon May  5 13:24:14 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 19:24:14 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
In-Reply-To: <001401c3132f$e9d11410$b0588281@current>
Message-ID: <000301c31333$8852e660$b274d0d5@andypc>

Well in XP it's not quite that but basically you're dead right. It's not
a dropdown on the Send but an Accounts dropdown right next to it. How
have I managed to use this program for years and never notice that? Many
many thanks Keith. 

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Keith L. Kovala
> Sent: 05 May 2003 18:58
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> 
> 
> Next to the send button you should see "Accounts" with a drop 
> down arrow, click on the arrow and select the account being 
> sent from and you should now see a status message at the top 
> saying "This message will be sent via XYZ"
> 
> Keith L. Kovala
> klk at ksu.edu 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Andy Lacey
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:45 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > 
> > 
> > Keith
> > No I'm using full Outlook. So ok I've set up a 2nd account.
> > How, when creating email, do I select which account it's from?
> > 
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:35
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Using Outlook for this just fine, have multiple email 
> accounts, can 
> > > select which account is being sent from by a drop down box.  Even 
> > > sending mail addressed as coming from yahoo.com via outlook even 
> > > though can't receive pop via free yahoo accounts (this is 
> used for 
> > > web pages trying to submit forms via email.)  So I'm not 
> sure where 
> > > the idea this can't be done via outlook is coming from, 
> unless you 
> > > are talking outlook express, and then yes, it has "issues".
> > > 
> > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Andy Lacey
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:38 AM
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> > > > 
> > > > I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but
> > recently my
> > > > wife is getting more into email and that's thrown up what
> > I think is
> > > > a limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to
> > both use the
> > > > same email client and both see all incoming mail
> > (personal stuff may
> > > > be to either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc,
> > but when we
> > > > send an email we want to be able to determine which of us is the
> > > > Sender and therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to 
> > each have
> > > > our own signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't cater for 
> > > > this at all well. I can set her own profile up but that 
> separates 
> > > > us too much. If a friend happens to have written to my email 
> > > > address themn my wife won't see it because it'll be in 
> my Inbox, 
> > > > and vice-versa. My question is: can what I'm describing 
> be done in 
> > > > another client such as Eudora?
> > > > 
> > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> > > > Website:
> > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > 
> > > 
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> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
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> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> 
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Mon May  5 13:34:23 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 14:34:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B3B@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Pardon the interruption but is this true in O97 too?  I don't see it anywhere.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:24 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


Well in XP it's not quite that but basically you're dead right. It's not
a dropdown on the Send but an Accounts dropdown right next to it. How
have I managed to use this program for years and never notice that? Many
many thanks Keith. 

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Keith L. Kovala
> Sent: 05 May 2003 18:58
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> 
> 
> Next to the send button you should see "Accounts" with a drop 
> down arrow, click on the arrow and select the account being 
> sent from and you should now see a status message at the top 
> saying "This message will be sent via XYZ"
> 
> Keith L. Kovala
> klk at ksu.edu 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Andy Lacey
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:45 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > 
> > 
> > Keith
> > No I'm using full Outlook. So ok I've set up a 2nd account.
> > How, when creating email, do I select which account it's from?
> > 
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:35
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Using Outlook for this just fine, have multiple email 
> accounts, can 
> > > select which account is being sent from by a drop down box.  Even 
> > > sending mail addressed as coming from yahoo.com via outlook even 
> > > though can't receive pop via free yahoo accounts (this is 
> used for 
> > > web pages trying to submit forms via email.)  So I'm not 
> sure where 
> > > the idea this can't be done via outlook is coming from, 
> unless you 
> > > are talking outlook express, and then yes, it has "issues".
> > > 
> > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Andy Lacey
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:38 AM
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> > > > 
> > > > I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but
> > recently my
> > > > wife is getting more into email and that's thrown up what
> > I think is
> > > > a limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to
> > both use the
> > > > same email client and both see all incoming mail
> > (personal stuff may
> > > > be to either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc,
> > but when we
> > > > send an email we want to be able to determine which of us is the
> > > > Sender and therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to 
> > each have
> > > > our own signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't cater for 
> > > > this at all well. I can set her own profile up but that 
> separates 
> > > > us too much. If a friend happens to have written to my email 
> > > > address themn my wife won't see it because it'll be in 
> my Inbox, 
> > > > and vice-versa. My question is: can what I'm describing 
> be done in 
> > > > another client such as Eudora?
> > > > 
> > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> > > > Website:
> > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
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> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> 
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon May  5 13:50:05 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 14:50:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
References: <CD6E25A7E2F6734FA126AED83B9D54FB01119AF9@ccemail2.cce.local>
Message-ID: <000b01c31337$24ecbed0$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

...nice pics ...no wonder he was willing to change his name to win your
hand! :)))

William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Geller" <sgeller at cce.umn.edu>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:53 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)


> Thanks to all for the congratulations and good wishes.  Preliminary
> thumbnail pictures are at www.thegellers.org.  Genealogists will most
> definitely be confused.
>
> --Susan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Reische, Brenda L. [mailto:reische at mdh.org]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:32 PM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
>
>
> Congratulations!!!  I think that combining & changing both your names is
> very innovative!  (You may stump a few genealogists, though!!)
>
> Where are the pics??
>
> Brenda Reische
> Application Support Analyst
> McDonough District Hospital
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:17 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
>
>
>  For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know that
>  I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when I got
>  married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I married
>  someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the last name
>  of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was awesome and
>  we are in total married bliss.
>
>  --Susan
>
> Susan B. Geller
> Office of Information Systems
> College of Continuing Education
> University of Minnesota
> 306 Wesbrook Hall
> 77 Pleasant Street SE
> Minneapolis, MN 55455
> Phone:  612-626-4785
> Fax:  612-625-2568
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> _______________________________________________
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From john at winhaven.net  Mon May  5 13:53:09 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:53:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B3B@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIIEABEHAA.john@winhaven.net>

In Outlook (97+) you should have a dropdown next to the send icon on the
toolbar of a new message - but only if you have two accounts listed.

In Outlook Express it is an extra row above the TO: field on a new email
message.

I have used Outlook to manage 6 different email accounts without problems. I
don't use a standard sig on my messages though so each account has to pick
from the list or type it in. I customized the toolbar so the sig icon is on
it. I still think Outlook is clunky though. If you don't have to use it
there are better emailers out there!

John B.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:34 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
>
>
> Pardon the interruption but is this true in O97 too?  I don't see
> it anywhere.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:24 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
>
>
> Well in XP it's not quite that but basically you're dead right. It's not
> a dropdown on the Send but an Accounts dropdown right next to it. How
> have I managed to use this program for years and never notice that? Many
> many thanks Keith.
>
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Keith L. Kovala
> > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:58
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > Next to the send button you should see "Accounts" with a drop
> > down arrow, click on the arrow and select the account being
> > sent from and you should now see a status message at the top
> > saying "This message will be sent via XYZ"
> >
> > Keith L. Kovala
> > klk at ksu.edu
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Andy Lacey
> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:45 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > Keith
> > > No I'm using full Outlook. So ok I've set up a 2nd account.
> > > How, when creating email, do I select which account it's from?
> > >
> > > Andy Lacey
> > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:35
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Using Outlook for this just fine, have multiple email
> > accounts, can
> > > > select which account is being sent from by a drop down box.  Even
> > > > sending mail addressed as coming from yahoo.com via outlook even
> > > > though can't receive pop via free yahoo accounts (this is
> > used for
> > > > web pages trying to submit forms via email.)  So I'm not
> > sure where
> > > > the idea this can't be done via outlook is coming from,
> > unless you
> > > > are talking outlook express, and then yes, it has "issues".
> > > >
> > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:38 AM
> > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> > > > >
> > > > > I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but
> > > recently my
> > > > > wife is getting more into email and that's thrown up what
> > > I think is
> > > > > a limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to
> > > both use the
> > > > > same email client and both see all incoming mail
> > > (personal stuff may
> > > > > be to either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc,
> > > but when we
> > > > > send an email we want to be able to determine which of us is the
> > > > > Sender and therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to
> > > each have
> > > > > our own signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't cater for
> > > > > this at all well. I can set her own profile up but that
> > separates
> > > > > us too much. If a friend happens to have written to my email
> > > > > address themn my wife won't see it because it'll be in
> > my Inbox,
> > > > > and vice-versa. My question is: can what I'm describing
> > be done in
> > > > > another client such as Eudora?
> > > > >
> > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> > > > > Website:
> > > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
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From StaRKeY at Wanadoo.nl  Mon May  5 13:52:16 2003
From: StaRKeY at Wanadoo.nl (StaRKeY)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 20:52:16 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
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Congratulations Susan... :-)

BN,
Eric Starkenburg

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 7:17 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)


 For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know that 
 I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when I got 
 married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I married 
 someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the last name 
 of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was awesome and
 we are in total married bliss.   
 
 --Susan
 
Susan B. Geller
Office of Information Systems
College of Continuing Education
University of Minnesota
306 Wesbrook Hall
77 Pleasant Street SE
Minneapolis, MN 55455
Phone:  612-626-4785
Fax:  612-625-2568

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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon May  5 14:07:23 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 15:07:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
References: <001401c3132f$e9d11410$b0588281@current>
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...in OE I just use Identities for the same purposes ...easy to create and
switch between.

William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith L. Kovala" <klk at ksu.edu>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:58 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


> Next to the send button you should see "Accounts" with a drop down arrow,
> click on the arrow and select the account being sent from and you should
now
> see a status message at the top saying "This message will be sent via XYZ"
>
> Keith L. Kovala
> klk at ksu.edu
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:45 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > Keith
> > No I'm using full Outlook. So ok I've set up a 2nd account.
> > How, when creating email, do I select which account it's from?
> >
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:35
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > Using Outlook for this just fine, have multiple email
> > > accounts, can select which account is being sent from by a
> > > drop down box.  Even sending mail addressed as coming from
> > > yahoo.com via outlook even though can't receive pop via free
> > > yahoo accounts (this is used for web pages trying to submit
> > > forms via email.)  So I'm not sure where the idea this can't
> > > be done via outlook is coming from, unless you are talking
> > > outlook express, and then yes, it has "issues".
> > >
> > > Keith L. Kovala
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Andy Lacey
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:38 AM
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> > > >
> > > > I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but
> > recently my
> > > > wife is getting more into email and that's thrown up what
> > I think is
> > > > a limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to
> > both use the
> > > > same email client and both see all incoming mail
> > (personal stuff may
> > > > be to either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc,
> > but when we
> > > > send an email we want to be able to determine which of us is the
> > > > Sender and therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to
> > each have
> > > > our own signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't cater for
> > > > this at all well. I can set her own profile up but that
> > > > separates us too much. If a friend happens to have written to
> > > > my email address themn my wife won't see it because it'll be
> > > > in my Inbox, and vice-versa. My question is: can what I'm
> > > > describing be done in another client such as Eudora?
> > > >
> > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > >
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From PBudge at cbsol.com  Mon May  5 14:18:37 2003
From: PBudge at cbsol.com (PBudge at cbsol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 14:18:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
Message-ID: <OFE7C00A05.D5B6B05C-ON86256D1D.006A06E8@cbsol.com>


Not to mention listing Home Depot as a great place to buy gifts for the
happy couple. . . ;-))))))))


Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
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...nice pics ...no wonder he was willing to change his name to win your
hand! :)))

William Hindman

----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Geller" <sgeller at cce.umn.edu>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:53 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)


> Thanks to all for the congratulations and good wishes.  Preliminary
> thumbnail pictures are at www.thegellers.org.  Genealogists will most
> definitely be confused.
>
> --Susan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Reische, Brenda L. [mailto:reische at mdh.org]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:32 PM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
>
>
> Congratulations!!!  I think that combining & changing both your names is
> very innovative!  (You may stump a few genealogists, though!!)
>
> Where are the pics??
>
> Brenda Reische
> Application Support Analyst
> McDonough District Hospital
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:17 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
>
>
>  For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know that
>  I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when I got
>  married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I married
>  someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the last name
>  of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was awesome and
>  we are in total married bliss.
>
>  --Susan
>
> Susan B. Geller
> Office of Information Systems
> College of Continuing Education
> University of Minnesota
> 306 Wesbrook Hall
> 77 Pleasant Street SE
> Minneapolis, MN 55455
> Phone:  612-626-4785
> Fax:  612-625-2568
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon May  5 14:21:28 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 12:21:28 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging
References: <00b201c31109$834c7630$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
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Can't I just do it until I need glasses?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


> ...you know talking to yourself leads to hairy palms, eh? :))))
>
> William Hindman
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging
>
>
> Dear Rocky:
>
> Perhaps you could put an invisible page break between each sub-report.
Then
> in the OnOpen event of the report, Dcount the records in each of the eight
> sub-reports and estimate the height of the sub-report from the
sub-report's
> report header plus the number of detail records.  Then make the page break
> visible to separate the sub reports.
>
> Of course since one of the fields in the detail record 'can grow' and
does,
> it's going to be an estimate at best.  Also, this means potentially a lot
of
> white space on a page. Nah, that won't really work well.  You need to know
> where you are on the page during the printing of the sub-report and page
> when it gets close to the bottom.
>
> Maybe someone else has an idea.
>
> With my very best regards for you and your family,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
>
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
>   To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>   Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:18 PM
>   Subject: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging
>
>
>   Dear List:
>
>   I have a report that consists of eight sub reports.  Each sub-report can
> be of a different length.  Each sub-report has a report header with some
> descriptive text.
>
>   The problem is that the main report page breaks in odd places sometimes
> even cutting a line of the subreport in half horizontally!
>
>   I can, of course, insert an invisible page break between each sub-report
> and make it visible if I'm close to the bottom of the page.  But I don't
> know how to know, during the printing of the sub-report, where I am on the
> main report.
>
>   Anybody got any ideas?
>
>   MTIA,
>
>   Rocky Smolin
>   Beach Access Software
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon May  5 14:26:10 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 12:26:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging
References: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB2338C772@TAPPEEXCH01>
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MessageBrett:

Thanks for your reply.

I don't want to force a page break between each sub-report.  Sometimes they're only one line.  so they need to all flow together unless it's close to the bottom of the page.  In that case the header text (4-6 lines) gets split over two pages (sometimes in the middle of the line horizontally!) and sometimes it will do this to a detail line.  

Any idea how to 1) prevent that and 2) to force a page break when close to the bottom of the page but not page break when in the sub report starts in the middle of the page?

Thanks and regards,

Rocky

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Brett Barabash 
  To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
  Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:22 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


  Rocky,
  Normally, I create a section for each subreport.  This allows me full control over the page breaks:
  - In the Sorting And Grouping box, type ="My Section" (call it whatever you want, extra points for being descriptive), and set Group Header = Yes.  This will create a report header where you can place your subreport.
  - In the Report Header property sheet, set Keep Together = Yes.  Don't forget to set your Can Grow and Can Shrink properties.
  - Voila!  Access will not split a subreport in this section between 2 pages.  Plus, if you want to force a page break at the start of a subreport you can easily do that by setting the section's Force New Page property.

  P.S. Access allows up to 10 headers and 10 footers per report.  They can be referred to using the Me.Section property using the following indices:
  Me.Section(5) - Group header # 1
  Me.Section(6) - Group footer # 1
  Me.Section(7) - Group header # 2
  Me.Section(8) - Group footer # 2
  ...
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
    Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:49 AM
    To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


    Dear Rocky:

    Perhaps you could put an invisible page break between each sub-report.  Then in the OnOpen event of the report, Dcount the records in each of the eight sub-reports and estimate the height of the sub-report from the sub-report's report header plus the number of detail records.  Then make the page break visible to separate the sub reports.

    Of course since one of the fields in the detail record 'can grow' and does, it's going to be an estimate at best.  Also, this means potentially a lot of white space on a page. Nah, that won't really work well.  You need to know where you are on the page during the printing of the sub-report and page when it gets close to the bottom.

    Maybe someone else has an idea.

    With my very best regards for you and your family,

    Rocky Smolin
    Beach Access Software

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
      To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
      Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:18 PM
      Subject: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


      Dear List:

      I have a report that consists of eight sub reports.  Each sub-report can be of a different length.  Each sub-report has a report header with some descriptive text.  

      The problem is that the main report page breaks in odd places sometimes even cutting a line of the subreport in half horizontally!

      I can, of course, insert an invisible page break between each sub-report and make it visible if I'm close to the bottom of the page.  But I don't know how to know, during the printing of the sub-report, where I am on the main report.

      Anybody got any ideas?

      MTIA,

      Rocky Smolin
      Beach Access Software



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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Mon May  5 14:32:08 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 15:32:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B40@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

I see (or rather I don't).  I don't have 2 accounts set up so I won't see it.  How to set up the second account?  Do I use Tools | Services and if so which do I choose to add a POP account?

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:53 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


In Outlook (97+) you should have a dropdown next to the send icon on the
toolbar of a new message - but only if you have two accounts listed.

In Outlook Express it is an extra row above the TO: field on a new email
message.

I have used Outlook to manage 6 different email accounts without problems. I
don't use a standard sig on my messages though so each account has to pick
from the list or type it in. I customized the toolbar so the sig icon is on
it. I still think Outlook is clunky though. If you don't have to use it
there are better emailers out there!

John B.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:34 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
>
>
> Pardon the interruption but is this true in O97 too?  I don't see
> it anywhere.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:24 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
>
>
> Well in XP it's not quite that but basically you're dead right. It's not
> a dropdown on the Send but an Accounts dropdown right next to it. How
> have I managed to use this program for years and never notice that? Many
> many thanks Keith.
>
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Keith L. Kovala
> > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:58
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > Next to the send button you should see "Accounts" with a drop
> > down arrow, click on the arrow and select the account being
> > sent from and you should now see a status message at the top
> > saying "This message will be sent via XYZ"
> >
> > Keith L. Kovala
> > klk at ksu.edu
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Andy Lacey
> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:45 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > Keith
> > > No I'm using full Outlook. So ok I've set up a 2nd account.
> > > How, when creating email, do I select which account it's from?
> > >
> > > Andy Lacey
> > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:35
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Using Outlook for this just fine, have multiple email
> > accounts, can
> > > > select which account is being sent from by a drop down box.  Even
> > > > sending mail addressed as coming from yahoo.com via outlook even
> > > > though can't receive pop via free yahoo accounts (this is
> > used for
> > > > web pages trying to submit forms via email.)  So I'm not
> > sure where
> > > > the idea this can't be done via outlook is coming from,
> > unless you
> > > > are talking outlook express, and then yes, it has "issues".
> > > >
> > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:38 AM
> > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> > > > >
> > > > > I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but
> > > recently my
> > > > > wife is getting more into email and that's thrown up what
> > > I think is
> > > > > a limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to
> > > both use the
> > > > > same email client and both see all incoming mail
> > > (personal stuff may
> > > > > be to either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc,
> > > but when we
> > > > > send an email we want to be able to determine which of us is the
> > > > > Sender and therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to
> > > each have
> > > > > our own signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't cater for
> > > > > this at all well. I can set her own profile up but that
> > separates
> > > > > us too much. If a friend happens to have written to my email
> > > > > address themn my wife won't see it because it'll be in
> > my Inbox,
> > > > > and vice-versa. My question is: can what I'm describing
> > be done in
> > > > > another client such as Eudora?
> > > > >
> > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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> > > >
> > >
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From sgeller at cce.umn.edu  Mon May  5 14:48:44 2003
From: sgeller at cce.umn.edu (Susan Geller)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 14:48:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
Message-ID: <CD6E25A7E2F6734FA126AED83B9D54FB01119B03@ccemail2.cce.local>

Home Depot needs to hire one of the people on this list who does
consulting.  Their registry process is old fashioned pen and paper and
you have to go into a store to make a purchase.  They are losing a lot
of potential business from others who realize that Home Depot is where
the best gifts are!  

--Susan


-----Original Message-----
From: PBudge at cbsol.com [mailto:PBudge at cbsol.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:19 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)



Not to mention listing Home Depot as a great place to buy gifts for the
happy couple. . . ;-))))))))


Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions


 

                      "William Hindman"

                      <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>        To:
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

                      Sent by:                         cc:

                      accessd-bounces at databasea        Subject:  Re:
[AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)

                      dvisors.com

 

 

                      05/05/2003 01:50 PM

                      Please respond to accessd

 

 





...nice pics ...no wonder he was willing to change his name to win your
hand! :)))

William Hindman

----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Geller" <sgeller at cce.umn.edu>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:53 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)


> Thanks to all for the congratulations and good wishes.  Preliminary 
> thumbnail pictures are at www.thegellers.org.  Genealogists will most 
> definitely be confused.
>
> --Susan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Reische, Brenda L. [mailto:reische at mdh.org]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:32 PM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
>
>
> Congratulations!!!  I think that combining & changing both your names 
> is very innovative!  (You may stump a few genealogists, though!!)
>
> Where are the pics??
>
> Brenda Reische
> Application Support Analyst
> McDonough District Hospital
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:17 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
>
>
>  For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know 
> that  I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when

> I got  married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I 
> married  someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the 
> last name  of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was 
> awesome and  we are in total married bliss.
>
>  --Susan
>
> Susan B. Geller
> Office of Information Systems
> College of Continuing Education
> University of Minnesota
> 306 Wesbrook Hall
> 77 Pleasant Street SE
> Minneapolis, MN 55455
> Phone:  612-626-4785
> Fax:  612-625-2568
>
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From john at winhaven.net  Mon May  5 14:56:15 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 14:56:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B40@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIKEACEHAA.john@winhaven.net>

You must have the ability to add an internet account. If you are on a corp.
system using exchange they may not allow it.
You can add garbage as an "internet" account and then it should show up.
Just put in something like "test account" - "mail.test.com" for the incoming
and outgoing servers and me at test.com. save it and it should be enough to
fake it into showing you. You could use real info too of course :o)

Another trick you can do to share your info but not your setup is put the
.pst in a shared folder and use it from anywhere on your network. One or two
people can get away with that.

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:32 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
>
>
> I see (or rather I don't).  I don't have 2 accounts set up so I
> won't see it.  How to set up the second account?  Do I use Tools
> | Services and if so which do I choose to add a POP account?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:53 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
>
>
> In Outlook (97+) you should have a dropdown next to the send icon on the
> toolbar of a new message - but only if you have two accounts listed.
>
> In Outlook Express it is an extra row above the TO: field on a new email
> message.
>
> I have used Outlook to manage 6 different email accounts without
> problems. I
> don't use a standard sig on my messages though so each account has to pick
> from the list or type it in. I customized the toolbar so the sig
> icon is on
> it. I still think Outlook is clunky though. If you don't have to use it
> there are better emailers out there!
>
> John B.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:34 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > Pardon the interruption but is this true in O97 too?  I don't see
> > it anywhere.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jim DeMarco
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:24 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > Well in XP it's not quite that but basically you're dead right. It's not
> > a dropdown on the Send but an Accounts dropdown right next to it. How
> > have I managed to use this program for years and never notice that? Many
> > many thanks Keith.
> >
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:58
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > Next to the send button you should see "Accounts" with a drop
> > > down arrow, click on the arrow and select the account being
> > > sent from and you should now see a status message at the top
> > > saying "This message will be sent via XYZ"
> > >
> > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > klk at ksu.edu
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Andy Lacey
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:45 PM
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Keith
> > > > No I'm using full Outlook. So ok I've set up a 2nd account.
> > > > How, when creating email, do I select which account it's from?
> > > >
> > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:35
> > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Using Outlook for this just fine, have multiple email
> > > accounts, can
> > > > > select which account is being sent from by a drop down box.  Even
> > > > > sending mail addressed as coming from yahoo.com via outlook even
> > > > > though can't receive pop via free yahoo accounts (this is
> > > used for
> > > > > web pages trying to submit forms via email.)  So I'm not
> > > sure where
> > > > > the idea this can't be done via outlook is coming from,
> > > unless you
> > > > > are talking outlook express, and then yes, it has "issues".
> > > > >
> > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:38 AM
> > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but
> > > > recently my
> > > > > > wife is getting more into email and that's thrown up what
> > > > I think is
> > > > > > a limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to
> > > > both use the
> > > > > > same email client and both see all incoming mail
> > > > (personal stuff may
> > > > > > be to either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc,
> > > > but when we
> > > > > > send an email we want to be able to determine which of us is the
> > > > > > Sender and therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to
> > > > each have
> > > > > > our own signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't cater for
> > > > > > this at all well. I can set her own profile up but that
> > > separates
> > > > > > us too much. If a friend happens to have written to my email
> > > > > > address themn my wife won't see it because it'll be in
> > > my Inbox,
> > > > > > and vice-versa. My question is: can what I'm describing
> > > be done in
> > > > > > another client such as Eudora?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > > > Website:
> > > > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
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> > > > Website:
> > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > >
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> > >
> >
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> >
> >
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> > the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson
> > Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged.  If you are
> > not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
> > disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this
> > message is strictly prohibited.  If you have received this
> > message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us
> > immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic
> > mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you
> > are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email
> > to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message.
> Thank You".
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> > *****************
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
> >
>
>
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>
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> the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson
> Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged.  If you are
> not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
> disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this
> message is strictly prohibited.  If you have received this
> message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us
> immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic
> mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you
> are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email
> to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message.  Thank You".
> ******************************************************************
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>



From john at winhaven.net  Mon May  5 14:56:15 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 14:56:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
In-Reply-To: <CD6E25A7E2F6734FA126AED83B9D54FB01119AF9@ccemail2.cce.local>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIMEACEHAA.john@winhaven.net>

As they say up in Menomonee (I see you're getting dishes made there)
"Congrats ta bote a youse!, eh.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Geller
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:54 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
>
>
> Thanks to all for the congratulations and good wishes.  Preliminary
> thumbnail pictures are at www.thegellers.org.  Genealogists will most
> definitely be confused.
>
> --Susan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Reische, Brenda L. [mailto:reische at mdh.org]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:32 PM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
>
>
> Congratulations!!!  I think that combining & changing both your names is
> very innovative!  (You may stump a few genealogists, though!!)
>
> Where are the pics??
>
> Brenda Reische
> Application Support Analyst
> McDonough District Hospital
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:17 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
>
>
>  For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know that
>  I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when I got
>  married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I married
>  someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the last name
>  of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was awesome and
>  we are in total married bliss.
>
>  --Susan
>
> Susan B. Geller
> Office of Information Systems
> College of Continuing Education
> University of Minnesota
> 306 Wesbrook Hall
> 77 Pleasant Street SE
> Minneapolis, MN 55455
> Phone:  612-626-4785
> Fax:  612-625-2568
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From harkins at iglou.com  Mon May  5 15:04:39 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 16:04:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - job
Message-ID: <009001c31341$90795aa0$f5e6ffcc@SusanOne>

Job Title: Windows Software Engineer (VB/VBA/COM/Outlook)
Location: Palo Alto, CA

=========Contact me privately for more information or check out
http://www.surfpulse.com/private/jobs.shtml -- first job listed on the page.
VB/VBA is the listed language, so even though it's a Windows position,
somewhere here might qualify.

Please don't send me any nasty off topic messages -- I think we can all
stand an occasional job listing. Personally, if it weren't for the people on
the list, I'd be in publishing hell right now...

Susan H.




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon May  5 15:16:50 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:16:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311EF4@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Sounds like you could drum up some business for yourself or someone
else! <VBG>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:49 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)


Home Depot needs to hire one of the people on this list who does
consulting.  Their registry process is old fashioned pen and paper and
you have to go into a store to make a purchase.  They are losing a lot
of potential business from others who realize that Home Depot is where
the best gifts are!  

--Susan


-----Original Message-----
From: PBudge at cbsol.com [mailto:PBudge at cbsol.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:19 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)



Not to mention listing Home Depot as a great place to buy gifts for the
happy couple. . . ;-))))))))


Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions


 

                      "William Hindman"

                      <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>        To:
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

                      Sent by:                         cc:

                      accessd-bounces at databasea        Subject:  Re:
[AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)

                      dvisors.com

 

 

                      05/05/2003 01:50 PM

                      Please respond to accessd

 

 





...nice pics ...no wonder he was willing to change his name to win your
hand! :)))

William Hindman

----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Geller" <sgeller at cce.umn.edu>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:53 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)


> Thanks to all for the congratulations and good wishes.  Preliminary
> thumbnail pictures are at www.thegellers.org.  Genealogists will most 
> definitely be confused.
>
> --Susan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Reische, Brenda L. [mailto:reische at mdh.org]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:32 PM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
>
>
> Congratulations!!!  I think that combining & changing both your names
> is very innovative!  (You may stump a few genealogists, though!!)
>
> Where are the pics??
>
> Brenda Reische
> Application Support Analyst
> McDonough District Hospital
>
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> From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:17 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
>
>
>  For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know
> that  I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when

> I got  married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I
> married  someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the 
> last name  of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was 
> awesome and  we are in total married bliss.
>
>  --Susan
>
> Susan B. Geller
> Office of Information Systems
> College of Continuing Education
> University of Minnesota
> 306 Wesbrook Hall
> 77 Pleasant Street SE
> Minneapolis, MN 55455
> Phone:  612-626-4785
> Fax:  612-625-2568
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon May  5 15:18:11 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 15:18:11 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] OT - job
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B00@main2.marlow.com>

Hey, I am all for posting both help wanted and job wanted posts.  As long as
it is from a list member, and not a spam situation.  Just my two cents.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:05 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT - job


Job Title: Windows Software Engineer (VB/VBA/COM/Outlook)
Location: Palo Alto, CA

=========Contact me privately for more information or check out
http://www.surfpulse.com/private/jobs.shtml -- first job listed on the page.
VB/VBA is the listed language, so even though it's a Windows position,
somewhere here might qualify.

Please don't send me any nasty off topic messages -- I think we can all
stand an occasional job listing. Personally, if it weren't for the people on
the list, I'd be in publishing hell right now...

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon May  5 15:18:47 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:18:47 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311EF5@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Rocky,

If you find an answer, please share it with me!  We've struggled with
this question and have never found a satisfactory answer ...
particularly since we also hide subreports that have no data, which
moves the ones below them up and ... well, you get the idea, I'm sure.

Charlotte Foust
-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:26 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


Brett:

Thanks for your reply.

I don't want to force a page break between each sub-report.  Sometimes
they're only one line.  so they need to all flow together unless it's
close to the bottom of the page.  In that case the header text (4-6
lines) gets split over two pages (sometimes in the middle of the line
horizontally!) and sometimes it will do this to a detail line.  

Any idea how to 1) prevent that and 2) to force a page break when close
to the bottom of the page but not page break when in the sub report
starts in the middle of the page?

Thanks and regards,

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Brett Barabash 
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:22 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


Rocky,
Normally, I create a section for each subreport.  This allows me full
control over the page breaks:
- In the Sorting And Grouping box, type ="My Section" (call it whatever
you want, extra points for being descriptive), and set Group Header =
Yes.  This will create a report header where you can place your
subreport.
- In the Report Header property sheet, set Keep Together = Yes.  Don't
forget to set your Can Grow and Can Shrink properties.
- Voila!  Access will not split a subreport in this section between 2
pages.  Plus, if you want to force a page break at the start of a
subreport you can easily do that by setting the section's Force New Page
property.

P.S. Access allows up to 10 headers and 10 footers per report.  They can
be referred to using the Me.Section property using the following
indices:
Me.Section(5) - Group header # 1
Me.Section(6) - Group footer # 1
Me.Section(7) - Group header # 2
Me.Section(8) - Group footer # 2
...
-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:49 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


Dear Rocky:

Perhaps you could put an invisible page break between each sub-report.
Then in the OnOpen event of the report, Dcount the records in each of
the eight sub-reports and estimate the height of the sub-report from the
sub-report's report header plus the number of detail records.  Then make
the page break visible to separate the sub reports.

Of course since one of the fields in the detail record 'can grow' and
does, it's going to be an estimate at best.  Also, this means
potentially a lot of white space on a page. Nah, that won't really work
well.  You need to know where you are on the page during the printing of
the sub-report and page when it gets close to the bottom.

Maybe someone else has an idea.

With my very best regards for you and your family,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:18 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


Dear List:

I have a report that consists of eight sub reports.  Each sub-report can
be of a different length.  Each sub-report has a report header with some
descriptive text.  

The problem is that the main report page breaks in odd places sometimes
even cutting a line of the subreport in half horizontally!

I can, of course, insert an invisible page break between each sub-report
and make it visible if I'm close to the bottom of the page.  But I don't
know how to know, during the printing of the sub-report, where I am on
the main report.

Anybody got any ideas?

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software




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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon May  5 15:22:49 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 15:22:49 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Drop-down menus in Access
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B01@main2.marlow.com>

Do you mean a custom menu/tool bar, or do you mean a slide out control on a
form?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Black [mailto:pblack at hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 8:52 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Drop-down menus in Access


Hello

Could someone please point me to an article or an online example of how to 
create a drop-down menu within Access. I need an app that has this to 
minimize the amount of button objects within an app.

I can use A97, A2000, AXP for the app.

Thanks

Paul

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon May  5 15:23:13 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:23:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311EF6@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Funny, I could have sworn my Mother had something to say about who she
married (at least, according to my Father, she did), and it was still
considered the polite convention even when I got married.  Admittedly
that was several centuries ago and is long since history, but ... <VG>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 8:48 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)


Charlotte,

Back in the days when the woman didn't have much if any say as to whom
she got married to, "Best Wishes" to the bride was very appropriate. But
now that the bride has as much say in the matter as the groom, it seems
they both should be congratulated on finding a compatible partner. May
they both have a long and prosperous life together.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: Monday 2003 May 05 11:37
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)

It's traditional to offer "Congratulations" to the groom and "best
wishes" to the bride.  Seems like there's something there our ancestors
might have realized. <VBG>  Anyhow, congratulations AND best wishes to
the both of you.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 7:17 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)



 For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know that 
 I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when I got 
 married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I married 
 someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the last name 
 of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was awesome and
 we are in total married bliss.   
 
 --Susan
 
Susan B. Geller
Office of Information Systems
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University of Minnesota
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon May  5 15:27:22 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:27:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Drop-down menus in Access
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311EF7@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Right click a toolbar and select customize.  From there, you can create
a custom toolbar and set it up to be a toolbar, a menubar or a shortcut
menu.  It doesn't really require a lot of examples for you to figure it
out fairly well for yourself.  

Charlotte Foust

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Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 5:52 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Drop-down menus in Access


Hello

Could someone please point me to an article or an online example of how
to 
create a drop-down menu within Access. I need an app that has this to 
minimize the amount of button objects within an app.

I can use A97, A2000, AXP for the app.

Thanks

Paul

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon May  5 15:28:32 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 15:28:32 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Late binding Withevents
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B02@main2.marlow.com>

JC, why would you want to use late binding anyways?  If you a dimensioning a
variable with 'withevents', then you are going to want to handle the events
for that object.  If you are going to have different objects, but with the
same events/properties, that sounds like you need to use Implements.  

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 8:10 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Late binding Withevents


Yep.  I have found articles that state quite clearly that late binding does
not work with Withevents.

8-(

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:03 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Late binding Withevents


John,

Does it work if you remove the WithEvents?

Jim DeMarco


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Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 8:33 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Late binding Withevents


Folks,

I am trying to use the late binding technique where you use compiler
constants to use early binding when developing and late binding for
production.  The following gives a compile error:

#Const Dev = False
#If Dev = True Then
Dim WithEvents myOlApp As Outlook.Application
#Else
Dim WithEvents myOlApp As object
#End If

on the dim statement in the #Else clause.

Are we saying that we can't use late binding if we dim an object withevents?
If that is true, it is a rather serious flaw in the concept!!!

John W. Colby
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon May  5 15:28:43 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:28:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Drop-down menus in Access
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311EF8@infoserver01.infostat.local>

It's not hard, Susan, you just gave up too easily! <VBG>  The combobox
on commandbars operates like the MSForms/VB combobox.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 4:41 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drop-down menus in Access


>From experience, I was never able to get the dropdown menu to work -- 
>the
terminology was inconsistent and I never could get the calls just right.
I could get the dropdown menu control, just couldn't populate it. It's
been several years, so perhaps the whole process has gotten easier! Good
luck!

Susan H.


> Look in the help files or ADH for creating your own menu bar or tool 
> bar.
>


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon May  5 15:33:11 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:33:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] SQL to manipulate indexes
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311EF9@infoserver01.infostat.local>

We do it through fields in a table that holds the information on each
back end table to be linked, imported/exported, etc.  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com] 
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 7:12 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] SQL to manipulate indexes


How many of you actually manipulate indexes programmatically on a
frequent basis? How do you get around the problem of knowing how many
arguments (field names) to pass for a complex index?

Susan H.

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From PBudge at cbsol.com  Mon May  5 15:39:27 2003
From: PBudge at cbsol.com (PBudge at cbsol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 15:39:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
Message-ID: <OF252C80AE.152B7CEB-ON86256D1D.00712B6B@cbsol.com>


Well, given that I'm a renter (of a small 1 bedroom flat), it's simply
astonishing how much time I can kill at a Home Depot. . . if I was getting
married, I'd *definitely* want to register there!  Why, I don't even have a
cordless drill!  ;-))))))))))))))

I have to say though, I had a sudden image of printing out a list from the
home depot registry and seeing a thing like - 6 gallons of Behr Semi-Gloss
paint in Twilight. . . If they do that, then they should *definitely* add a
line of those gift bags sized appropriately.  ;-))))))))


Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
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Home Depot needs to hire one of the people on this list who does
consulting.  Their registry process is old fashioned pen and paper and
you have to go into a store to make a purchase.  They are losing a lot
of potential business from others who realize that Home Depot is where
the best gifts are!

--Susan


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Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:19 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)



Not to mention listing Home Depot as a great place to buy gifts for the
happy couple. . . ;-))))))))


Pamela G. Budge
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...nice pics ...no wonder he was willing to change his name to win your
hand! :)))

William Hindman

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From: "Susan Geller" <sgeller at cce.umn.edu>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:53 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)


> Thanks to all for the congratulations and good wishes.  Preliminary
> thumbnail pictures are at www.thegellers.org.  Genealogists will most
> definitely be confused.
>
> --Susan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Reische, Brenda L. [mailto:reische at mdh.org]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:32 PM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
>
>
> Congratulations!!!  I think that combining & changing both your names
> is very innovative!  (You may stump a few genealogists, though!!)
>
> Where are the pics??
>
> Brenda Reische
> Application Support Analyst
> McDonough District Hospital
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:17 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
>
>
>  For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know
> that  I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when

> I got  married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I
> married  someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the
> last name  of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was
> awesome and  we are in total married bliss.
>
>  --Susan
>
> Susan B. Geller
> Office of Information Systems
> College of Continuing Education
> University of Minnesota
> 306 Wesbrook Hall
> 77 Pleasant Street SE
> Minneapolis, MN 55455
> Phone:  612-626-4785
> Fax:  612-625-2568
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon May  5 15:38:44 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:38:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access VB question
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311EFB@infoserver01.infostat.local>

You can set up a command line argument to allow the bypass and test for
it in code using the Command() function.  That's what I do to allow a
backdoor into some of my more tightly wrapped applications.
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com] 
	Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 4:39 PM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access VB question
	
	
	 One method is to disable the startup from with the database
itself.  ie, have it look for a specific flag in a record, or have it
check for a specific command line argument, so that when it starts, the
startup code checks that 'trigger', and then stops...effectively
'bypassing' the startup stuff.  
	 
	========Exactly, but what I'm suggesting is that the problem may
need a change of strategy.... some "trigger" within the db itself that
knows when to reset the check -- such a "clue" may not exist. 
	 
	Susan H. 

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From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 16:03:13 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging
Message-ID: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB2338C773@TAPPEEXCH01>

Rocky,
My solution doesn't force a page break between each subreport.  It just
keeps the subreports from being split between pages (in which case it would
force a break then).
 
Now, your second problem was "how do I break to the next page if I am xx
lines from the bottom?"  This can be done in the Format event by using the
.NextRecord and .MoveLayout properties.  For the purposes of this
discussion, let's assume that you placed the subreport in it's own header
(or footer) and the header was named MyHeader.  The code would look
something like:
 
Private Sub MyHeader_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
 
    If Me.Top > 12000 Then
        'Reformat output in next section
        Me.NextRecord = False
        Me.MoveLayout = True
        Me!srptMySub.Visible = False
    Else
        Me!srptMySub.Visible = True
    End If
 
End Sub
 
Pick whatever arbitrary number you want as a page break threshold.  The Top
property is in Twips, so multiply Inches by 1440 to get the number (e.g.
10.5 * 1440 = 15120).
 
The only gotcha to look out for is the CanShrink property.  If you have this
set to True for the section, and you hide the section's contents (i.e. the
subreport), you will be caught in an infinite loop because every subsequent
formatting event will take place in the exact same position!

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:26 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


Brett:
 
Thanks for your reply.
 
I don't want to force a page break between each sub-report.  Sometimes
they're only one line.  so they need to all flow together unless it's close
to the bottom of the page.  In that case the header text (4-6 lines) gets
split over two pages (sometimes in the middle of the line horizontally!) and
sometimes it will do this to a detail line.  
 
Any idea how to 1) prevent that and 2) to force a page break when close to
the bottom of the page but not page break when in the sub report starts in
the middle of the page?
 
Thanks and regards,
 
Rocky
 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Brett Barabash <mailto:BBarabash at tappeconstruction.com>  
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' <mailto:'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'>  
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:22 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging

Rocky,
Normally, I create a section for each subreport.  This allows me full
control over the page breaks:
- In the Sorting And Grouping box, type ="My Section" (call it whatever you
want, extra points for being descriptive), and set Group Header = Yes.  This
will create a report header where you can place your subreport.
- In the Report Header property sheet, set Keep Together = Yes.  Don't
forget to set your Can Grow and Can Shrink properties.
- Voila!  Access will not split a subreport in this section between 2 pages.
Plus, if you want to force a page break at the start of a subreport you can
easily do that by setting the section's Force New Page property.
 
P.S. Access allows up to 10 headers and 10 footers per report.  They can be
referred to using the Me.Section property using the following indices:
Me.Section(5) - Group header # 1
Me.Section(6) - Group footer # 1

Me.Section(7) - Group header # 2
Me.Section(8) - Group footer # 2
...

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:49 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


Dear Rocky:
 
Perhaps you could put an invisible page break between each sub-report.  Then
in the OnOpen event of the report, Dcount the records in each of the eight
sub-reports and estimate the height of the sub-report from the sub-report's
report header plus the number of detail records.  Then make the page break
visible to separate the sub reports.
 
Of course since one of the fields in the detail record 'can grow' and does,
it's going to be an estimate at best.  Also, this means potentially a lot of
white space on a page. Nah, that won't really work well.  You need to know
where you are on the page during the printing of the sub-report and page
when it gets close to the bottom.
 
Maybe someone else has an idea.
 
With my very best regards for you and your family,
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Rocky Smolin  <mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com> - Beach Access Software 
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com <mailto:AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>  
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:18 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging

Dear List:
 
I have a report that consists of eight sub reports.  Each sub-report can be
of a different length.  Each sub-report has a report header with some
descriptive text.  
 
The problem is that the main report page breaks in odd places sometimes even
cutting a line of the subreport in half horizontally!
 
I can, of course, insert an invisible page break between each sub-report and
make it visible if I'm close to the bottom of the page.  But I don't know
how to know, during the printing of the sub-report, where I am on the main
report.
 
Anybody got any ideas?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
 



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon May  5 16:13:05 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 14:13:05 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311EFC@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Won't this only work if you use sections for the subreports?  Rocky may
be able to use the idea, but unfortunately our reports contain too many
subreports for that approach.  

Charlotte Foust  


-----Original Message-----
From: Brett Barabash [mailto:BBarabash at tappeconstruction.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:03 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


Rocky,
My solution doesn't force a page break between each subreport.  It just
keeps the subreports from being split between pages (in which case it
would force a break then).

Now, your second problem was "how do I break to the next page if I am xx
lines from the bottom?"  This can be done in the Format event by using
the .NextRecord and .MoveLayout properties.  For the purposes of this
discussion, let's assume that you placed the subreport in it's own
header (or footer) and the header was named MyHeader.  The code would
look something like:

Private Sub MyHeader_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)

    If Me.Top > 12000 Then
        'Reformat output in next section
        Me.NextRecord = False
        Me.MoveLayout = True
        Me!srptMySub.Visible = False
    Else
        Me!srptMySub.Visible = True
    End If

End Sub

Pick whatever arbitrary number you want as a page break threshold.  The
Top property is in Twips, so multiply Inches by 1440 to get the number
(e.g. 10.5 * 1440 = 15120).

The only gotcha to look out for is the CanShrink property.  If you have
this set to True for the section, and you hide the section's contents
(i.e. the subreport), you will be caught in an infinite loop because
every subsequent formatting event will take place in the exact same
position!
-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:26 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


Brett:

Thanks for your reply.

I don't want to force a page break between each sub-report.  Sometimes
they're only one line.  so they need to all flow together unless it's
close to the bottom of the page.  In that case the header text (4-6
lines) gets split over two pages (sometimes in the middle of the line
horizontally!) and sometimes it will do this to a detail line.  

Any idea how to 1) prevent that and 2) to force a page break when close
to the bottom of the page but not page break when in the sub report
starts in the middle of the page?

Thanks and regards,

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Brett Barabash 
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:22 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


Rocky,
Normally, I create a section for each subreport.  This allows me full
control over the page breaks:
- In the Sorting And Grouping box, type ="My Section" (call it whatever
you want, extra points for being descriptive), and set Group Header =
Yes.  This will create a report header where you can place your
subreport.
- In the Report Header property sheet, set Keep Together = Yes.  Don't
forget to set your Can Grow and Can Shrink properties.
- Voila!  Access will not split a subreport in this section between 2
pages.  Plus, if you want to force a page break at the start of a
subreport you can easily do that by setting the section's Force New Page
property.

P.S. Access allows up to 10 headers and 10 footers per report.  They can
be referred to using the Me.Section property using the following
indices:
Me.Section(5) - Group header # 1
Me.Section(6) - Group footer # 1
Me.Section(7) - Group header # 2
Me.Section(8) - Group footer # 2
...
-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:49 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


Dear Rocky:

Perhaps you could put an invisible page break between each sub-report.
Then in the OnOpen event of the report, Dcount the records in each of
the eight sub-reports and estimate the height of the sub-report from the
sub-report's report header plus the number of detail records.  Then make
the page break visible to separate the sub reports.

Of course since one of the fields in the detail record 'can grow' and
does, it's going to be an estimate at best.  Also, this means
potentially a lot of white space on a page. Nah, that won't really work
well.  You need to know where you are on the page during the printing of
the sub-report and page when it gets close to the bottom.

Maybe someone else has an idea.

With my very best regards for you and your family,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:18 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


Dear List:

I have a report that consists of eight sub reports.  Each sub-report can
be of a different length.  Each sub-report has a report header with some
descriptive text.  

The problem is that the main report page breaks in odd places sometimes
even cutting a line of the subreport in half horizontally!

I can, of course, insert an invisible page break between each sub-report
and make it visible if I'm close to the bottom of the page.  But I don't
know how to know, during the printing of the sub-report, where I am on
the main report.

Anybody got any ideas?

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software




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From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Mon May  5 16:23:24 2003
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 16:23:24 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging
Message-ID: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB2338C774@TAPPEEXCH01>

Charlotte,
Yes, each subreport has to be in a separate section.  That's the only way I
found to fire a Format event for each subreport.


-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 4:13 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


Won't this only work if you use sections for the subreports?  Rocky may
be able to use the idea, but unfortunately our reports contain too many
subreports for that approach.  

Charlotte Foust  


-----Original Message-----
From: Brett Barabash [mailto:BBarabash at tappeconstruction.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:03 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


Rocky,
My solution doesn't force a page break between each subreport.  It just
keeps the subreports from being split between pages (in which case it
would force a break then).

Now, your second problem was "how do I break to the next page if I am xx
lines from the bottom?"  This can be done in the Format event by using
the .NextRecord and .MoveLayout properties.  For the purposes of this
discussion, let's assume that you placed the subreport in it's own
header (or footer) and the header was named MyHeader.  The code would
look something like:

Private Sub MyHeader_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)

    If Me.Top > 12000 Then
        'Reformat output in next section
        Me.NextRecord = False
        Me.MoveLayout = True
        Me!srptMySub.Visible = False
    Else
        Me!srptMySub.Visible = True
    End If

End Sub

Pick whatever arbitrary number you want as a page break threshold.  The
Top property is in Twips, so multiply Inches by 1440 to get the number
(e.g. 10.5 * 1440 = 15120).

The only gotcha to look out for is the CanShrink property.  If you have
this set to True for the section, and you hide the section's contents
(i.e. the subreport), you will be caught in an infinite loop because
every subsequent formatting event will take place in the exact same
position!
-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:26 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


Brett:

Thanks for your reply.

I don't want to force a page break between each sub-report.  Sometimes
they're only one line.  so they need to all flow together unless it's
close to the bottom of the page.  In that case the header text (4-6
lines) gets split over two pages (sometimes in the middle of the line
horizontally!) and sometimes it will do this to a detail line.  

Any idea how to 1) prevent that and 2) to force a page break when close
to the bottom of the page but not page break when in the sub report
starts in the middle of the page?

Thanks and regards,

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Brett Barabash 
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:22 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


Rocky,
Normally, I create a section for each subreport.  This allows me full
control over the page breaks:
- In the Sorting And Grouping box, type ="My Section" (call it whatever
you want, extra points for being descriptive), and set Group Header =
Yes.  This will create a report header where you can place your
subreport.
- In the Report Header property sheet, set Keep Together = Yes.  Don't
forget to set your Can Grow and Can Shrink properties.
- Voila!  Access will not split a subreport in this section between 2
pages.  Plus, if you want to force a page break at the start of a
subreport you can easily do that by setting the section's Force New Page
property.

P.S. Access allows up to 10 headers and 10 footers per report.  They can
be referred to using the Me.Section property using the following
indices:
Me.Section(5) - Group header # 1
Me.Section(6) - Group footer # 1
Me.Section(7) - Group header # 2
Me.Section(8) - Group footer # 2
...
-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:49 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


Dear Rocky:

Perhaps you could put an invisible page break between each sub-report.
Then in the OnOpen event of the report, Dcount the records in each of
the eight sub-reports and estimate the height of the sub-report from the
sub-report's report header plus the number of detail records.  Then make
the page break visible to separate the sub reports.

Of course since one of the fields in the detail record 'can grow' and
does, it's going to be an estimate at best.  Also, this means
potentially a lot of white space on a page. Nah, that won't really work
well.  You need to know where you are on the page during the printing of
the sub-report and page when it gets close to the bottom.

Maybe someone else has an idea.

With my very best regards for you and your family,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:18 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


Dear List:

I have a report that consists of eight sub reports.  Each sub-report can
be of a different length.  Each sub-report has a report header with some
descriptive text.  

The problem is that the main report page breaks in odd places sometimes
even cutting a line of the subreport in half horizontally!

I can, of course, insert an invisible page break between each sub-report
and make it visible if I'm close to the bottom of the page.  But I don't
know how to know, during the printing of the sub-report, where I am on
the main report.

Anybody got any ideas?

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

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From weeden1949 at hotmail.com  Mon May  5 16:55:35 2003
From: weeden1949 at hotmail.com (Greg S)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 16:55:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  New Name (cross posted)
References: <CD6E25A7E2F6734FA126AED83B9D54FB01119AF6@ccemail2.cce.local>
Message-ID: <Law8-OE35qjAs955E3y000042c6@hotmail.com>

Susan:

Congratulations!  And GOOD LUCK!  From Iowa (that's SOUTH from
Minneapolis...;))

Greg Smith
Programmer/Trainer

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Geller" <sgeller at cce.umn.edu>
To: <dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com>; <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:53 AM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (cross posted)


> For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know that
> I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when I got
> married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I married
> someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the last name
> of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was awesome and
> we are in total married bliss.
>
> --Susan
>
>
> Susan B. Geller
> Office of Information Systems
> College of Continuing Education
> University of Minnesota
> 306 Wesbrook Hall
> 77 Pleasant Street SE
> Minneapolis, MN 55455
> Phone:  612-626-4785
> Fax:  612-625-2568
>
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon May  5 17:09:31 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 18:09:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Late binding Withevents
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B02@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEIADKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

So that I can prevent missing references.

#Const Dev = False
#If Dev = True Then
Dim WithEvents myOlApp As Outlook.Application
#Else
Dim WithEvents myOlApp As object
#End If

Set dev = true, get early binding, intellesense etc.  However if the exact
lib you are using isn't available on the client machine - missing reference
(DLL HELL).

Set dev = false, late binding, ANY lib for that object will do.  DLL
purgatory.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 4:29 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Late binding Withevents


JC, why would you want to use late binding anyways?  If you a dimensioning a
variable with 'withevents', then you are going to want to handle the events
for that object.  If you are going to have different objects, but with the
same events/properties, that sounds like you need to use Implements.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 8:10 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Late binding Withevents


Yep.  I have found articles that state quite clearly that late binding does
not work with Withevents.

8-(

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:03 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Late binding Withevents


John,

Does it work if you remove the WithEvents?

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 8:33 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Late binding Withevents


Folks,

I am trying to use the late binding technique where you use compiler
constants to use early binding when developing and late binding for
production.  The following gives a compile error:

#Const Dev = False
#If Dev = True Then
Dim WithEvents myOlApp As Outlook.Application
#Else
Dim WithEvents myOlApp As object
#End If

on the dim statement in the #Else clause.

Are we saying that we can't use late binding if we dim an object withevents?
If that is true, it is a rather serious flaw in the concept!!!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From bbruen at bigpond.com  Mon May  5 17:34:27 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 08:34:27 +1000
Subject: Bruce Bruen's email Client   Was: RE: [AccessD] OT:
	^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@
In-Reply-To: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E293B1@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <001c01c31356$7e4df7e0$7600a8c0@bbb888>

NO ARCHIVE

Its not a problem Mark - I hadn't realised that adding the cert for code
execution purposes had changed my mail transmission settings as well.  I
guess its just another case of M$ knowing better about what we are
trying to do than we do... :-)
Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mitsules,
Mark
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 2:30 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: Re: Bruce Bruen's email Client Was: RE: [AccessD] OT:
^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


Bruce,

I would have answered sooner, however the weekend shouted my name quite
early on Friday:)  But, to second Drew's reply...yes, the message below
came across as plain text.  And, many thanks...I didn't mean for you to
go to any trouble, I was hoping I could address it on my end if
possible.


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Bruen [mailto:bbruen at bigpond.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 6:33 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Re: Bruce Bruen's email Client Was: RE: [AccessD] OT:
^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


Bugger!

How about now - I've jigged a few options.

Tia
 Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 8:19 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: Re: Bruce Bruen's email Client Was: RE: [AccessD] OT:
^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


The attachment is plain text, but the email is showing up as an
attachment still.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Bruen [mailto:bbruen at bigpond.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:06 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Re: Bruce Bruen's email Client Was: RE: [AccessD] OT:
^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Mon May  5 10:11:41 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 10:11:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] RE: [dba-SQLServer]OT:  New Name (cross posted)
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F877EE@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Congratulations!  May you two have a long and prosperous life together.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Monday 2003 May 05 09:54
To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]OT: New Name (cross posted)

> For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know that

> I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when I got

> married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I married 
> someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the last name 
> of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was awesome and
> we are in total married bliss.   
> 
> --Susan
> 
> 
> Susan B. Geller
> Office of Information Systems
> College of Continuing Education
> University of Minnesota
> 306 Wesbrook Hall
> 77 Pleasant Street SE
> Minneapolis, MN 55455
> Phone:  612-626-4785
> Fax:  612-625-2568
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From sgeller at cce.umn.edu  Mon May  5 09:53:54 2003
From: sgeller at cce.umn.edu (Susan Geller)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 09:53:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer]OT:  New Name (cross posted)
Message-ID: <DDI-PDCtwbyiaxa4wNn00000003@ddi-pdc.DDISolutions.ddisolutions.com.au>

> For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know that
> I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when I got
> married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I married
> someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the last name
> of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was awesome and
> we are in total married bliss.   
> 
> --Susan
> 
> 
> Susan B. Geller
> Office of Information Systems
> College of Continuing Education
> University of Minnesota
> 306 Wesbrook Hall
> 77 Pleasant Street SE
> Minneapolis, MN 55455
> Phone:  612-626-4785
> Fax:  612-625-2568
> 
> 
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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Mon May  5 10:57:37 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 10:57:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] RE: [dba-SQLServer]OT:  New Name (cross posted)
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F877F0@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Francisco,

In the United States almost anyone can legally change their name for
almost any reason.  In many of the states all that you have to do is
fill out the proper forms, pay the proper fees, and affirm that you are
not changing your name to hide from your creditors or the law.  Check
with your local courthouse or a local lawyer on the details in your
state.

Are you thinking of changing your last name to Tapioca? <grin>  Or maybe
Tap?

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net] 
Sent: Monday 2003 May 05 10:42
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer]OT: New Name (cross posted)


tooooo funny!, that's exactly what I thought.. Typ-o.  I didn't know you
could make up a last name when you got married.  Is that just a state
thing or is that nation wide... (thinking why didn't I change my name to
something new ;o))

-Francisco
http://rcm.netfirms.com
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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Mon May  5 13:17:44 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:17:44 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]RE: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F877F2@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Susan,

Is it safe to assume that the taller of the two young ladies in white
dresses is you?  And is the gentleman in the cumberbund/vest Chris?
Anyway, again Mazel Tov!  May you two have a long and prosperous life
together.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Monday 2003 May 05 12:54
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
Importance: Low


Thanks to all for the congratulations and good wishes.  Preliminary
thumbnail pictures are at www.thegellers.org.  Genealogists will most
definitely be confused.

--Susan


-----Original Message-----
From: Reische, Brenda L. [mailto:reische at mdh.org] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:32 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)


Congratulations!!!  I think that combining & changing both your names is
very innovative!  (You may stump a few genealogists, though!!)

Where are the pics??  

Brenda Reische
Application Support Analyst
McDonough District Hospital

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:17 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)


 For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know that 
 I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when I got 
 married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I married 
 someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the last name 
 of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was awesome and
 we are in total married bliss.   
 
 --Susan
 
Susan B. Geller
Office of Information Systems
College of Continuing Education
University of Minnesota
306 Wesbrook Hall
77 Pleasant Street SE
Minneapolis, MN 55455
Phone:  612-626-4785
Fax:  612-625-2568

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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Mon May  5 10:11:41 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 10:11:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] RE: [dba-SQLServer]OT:  New Name (cross posted)
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F877EE@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Congratulations!  May you two have a long and prosperous life together.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Monday 2003 May 05 09:54
To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]OT: New Name (cross posted)

> For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know that

> I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when I got

> married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I married 
> someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the last name 
> of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was awesome and
> we are in total married bliss.   
> 
> --Susan
> 
> 
> Susan B. Geller
> Office of Information Systems
> College of Continuing Education
> University of Minnesota
> 306 Wesbrook Hall
> 77 Pleasant Street SE
> Minneapolis, MN 55455
> Phone:  612-626-4785
> Fax:  612-625-2568
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon May  5 18:38:35 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 09:38:35 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
In-Reply-To: <000101c31324$a022ee20$b274d0d5@andypc>
References: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFOEJNCHAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <3EB7829B.24308.6BE212@localhost>


Check out Pegasus Mail at  http://www.pmail.com
It does this and more with it's "Identities"


On 5 May 2003 at 17:37, Andy Lacey wrote:

> Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> 
> I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but recently my
> wife is getting more into email and that's thrown up what I think is a
> limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to both use the same
> email client and both see all incoming mail (personal stuff may be to
> either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc, but when we send an
> email we want to be able to determine which of us is the Sender and
> therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to each have our own
> signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't cater for this at all
> well. I can set her own profile up but that separates us too much. If
> a friend happens to have written to my email address themn my wife
> won't see it because it'll be in my Inbox, and vice-versa. My question
> is: can what I'm describing be done in another client such as Eudora?
> 
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> 
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http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Mon May  5 19:25:46 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 09:55:46 +0930 
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A00A@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

You can do this quite easily in outlook.

One option is to create two separate profiles. One for yourself and one for
your wife. You can both open the same PST file to store 'common' emails, and
I *believe* you can share contacts (not sure on that one though).

Having separate profiles isn't necessarily required though, I think there is
also an option of sending using a specific account.. 

You can also quite easily select one of a number of stored signatures before
you send the email..

Cheers,
Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg]
Sent: Tuesday, 6 May 2003 9:09 AM
To: Andy Lacey; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Email clients



Check out Pegasus Mail at  http://www.pmail.com
It does this and more with it's "Identities"


On 5 May 2003 at 17:37, Andy Lacey wrote:

> Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> 
> I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but recently my
> wife is getting more into email and that's thrown up what I think is a
> limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to both use the same
> email client and both see all incoming mail (personal stuff may be to
> either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc, but when we send an
> email we want to be able to determine which of us is the Sender and
> therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to each have our own
> signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't cater for this at all
> well. I can set her own profile up but that separates us too much. If
> a friend happens to have written to my email address themn my wife
> won't see it because it'll be in my Inbox, and vice-versa. My question
> is: can what I'm describing be done in another client such as Eudora?
> 
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> 
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From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Mon May  5 21:53:10 2003
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 14:53:10 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
Message-ID: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F29038A70@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>

In this thread a couple of months ago there was a solution offered to the problem of determining the value of an ID Autonumber of a record just added.  

It was stunning in its simplicity, so of course I didn't write it down  ;-( 

Can anyone help?

TIA

Stephen Bond 
Otatara, New Zealand 
( tel 03 213 1256   fax 03 213 0123 

From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon May  5 22:28:08 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 20:28:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Notebook Processor
Message-ID: <002801c3137f$83eb8310$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

I have to spec a notebook for a friend.  Any big difference between a Celeron and a P4?  This is for pretty casual use - Word, Excel, web browsing - not a power user, just getting her real estate license.

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon May  5 22:32:06 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 23:32:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - job
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B00@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <003b01c31380$11caf080$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

...the AccessD list netiquette rules posted at www.databaseadvisors.com
specifically state that job postings, either wants or needs, are welcome so
long as the same job is not posted more than once per week. :)

William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 4:18 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - job


> Hey, I am all for posting both help wanted and job wanted posts.  As long
as
> it is from a list member, and not a spam situation.  Just my two cents.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:05 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT - job
>
>
> Job Title: Windows Software Engineer (VB/VBA/COM/Outlook)
> Location: Palo Alto, CA
>
> =========Contact me privately for more information or check out
> http://www.surfpulse.com/private/jobs.shtml -- first job listed on the
page.
> VB/VBA is the listed language, so even though it's a Windows position,
> somewhere here might qualify.
>
> Please don't send me any nasty off topic messages -- I think we can all
> stand an occasional job listing. Personally, if it weren't for the people
on
> the list, I'd be in publishing hell right now...
>
> Susan H.
>
>
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Mon May  5 22:54:30 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 22:54:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Notebook Processor
In-Reply-To: <002801c3137f$83eb8310$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIGEAHEHAA.john@winhaven.net>

By all means go with a Celeron or AMD CPU for normal to light work loads.
Saves a lot of cash!

You migth want to consider the weigh as the overall consideration if she has
to carry it much, otherwise connectivity is the issue I look at. I have a
USB hub on mine and don't use anything but the processor when in my office.
On the road its nice to not have a soar shoulder from long hauls in the
airport! More and more I'm using my Pocket PC for everything but take along
work anyway. About the only I can't do on it is programming and typing Word
documents (time for one of those keyboard thingies I guess). For real estate
maybe you might want to look at one of those tablet jobs?

If she doesn't want to spend much you can get great deals on reconditioned
laptops. I've gotten those for people that don't want to spend much and only
do light duty with them like email and word, etc. you can also get no-name
laptops now. (Most of the big guys don't make their own laptops anyway.)

HTH
JB
  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
  Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:28 PM
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: [AccessD] OT: Notebook Processor


  I have to spec a notebook for a friend.  Any big difference between a
Celeron and a P4?  This is for pretty casual use - Word, Excel, web
browsing - not a power user, just getting her real estate license.

  MTIA,

  Rocky Smolin
  Beach Access Software
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon May  5 22:56:05 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 23:56:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311EF5@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <004901c31383$6b220120$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

...take a look at KB 292050 ...HTH :)

William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 4:18 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


> Rocky,
> 
> If you find an answer, please share it with me!  We've struggled with
> this question and have never found a satisfactory answer ...
> particularly since we also hide subreports that have no data, which
> moves the ones below them up and ... well, you get the idea, I'm sure.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:26 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging
> 
> 
> Brett:
> 
> Thanks for your reply.
> 
> I don't want to force a page break between each sub-report.  Sometimes
> they're only one line.  so they need to all flow together unless it's
> close to the bottom of the page.  In that case the header text (4-6
> lines) gets split over two pages (sometimes in the middle of the line
> horizontally!) and sometimes it will do this to a detail line.  
> 
> Any idea how to 1) prevent that and 2) to force a page break when close
> to the bottom of the page but not page break when in the sub report
> starts in the middle of the page?
> 
> Thanks and regards,
> 
> Rocky
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Brett Barabash 
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:22 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging
> 
> 
> Rocky,
> Normally, I create a section for each subreport.  This allows me full
> control over the page breaks:
> - In the Sorting And Grouping box, type ="My Section" (call it whatever
> you want, extra points for being descriptive), and set Group Header =
> Yes.  This will create a report header where you can place your
> subreport.
> - In the Report Header property sheet, set Keep Together = Yes.  Don't
> forget to set your Can Grow and Can Shrink properties.
> - Voila!  Access will not split a subreport in this section between 2
> pages.  Plus, if you want to force a page break at the start of a
> subreport you can easily do that by setting the section's Force New Page
> property.
> 
> P.S. Access allows up to 10 headers and 10 footers per report.  They can
> be referred to using the Me.Section property using the following
> indices:
> Me.Section(5) - Group header # 1
> Me.Section(6) - Group footer # 1
> Me.Section(7) - Group header # 2
> Me.Section(8) - Group footer # 2
> ...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:49 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging
> 
> 
> Dear Rocky:
> 
> Perhaps you could put an invisible page break between each sub-report.
> Then in the OnOpen event of the report, Dcount the records in each of
> the eight sub-reports and estimate the height of the sub-report from the
> sub-report's report header plus the number of detail records.  Then make
> the page break visible to separate the sub reports.
> 
> Of course since one of the fields in the detail record 'can grow' and
> does, it's going to be an estimate at best.  Also, this means
> potentially a lot of white space on a page. Nah, that won't really work
> well.  You need to know where you are on the page during the printing of
> the sub-report and page when it gets close to the bottom.
> 
> Maybe someone else has an idea.
> 
> With my very best regards for you and your family,
> 
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:18 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging
> 
> 
> Dear List:
> 
> I have a report that consists of eight sub reports.  Each sub-report can
> be of a different length.  Each sub-report has a report header with some
> descriptive text.  
> 
> The problem is that the main report page breaks in odd places sometimes
> even cutting a line of the subreport in half horizontally!
> 
> I can, of course, insert an invisible page break between each sub-report
> and make it visible if I'm close to the bottom of the page.  But I don't
> know how to know, during the printing of the sub-report, where I am on
> the main report.
> 
> Anybody got any ideas?
> 
> MTIA,
> 
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 
> 
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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Mon May  5 23:08:54 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 13:38:54 +0930 
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A013@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

SELECT @@IDENTITY

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz]
Sent: Tuesday, 6 May 2003 12:23 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


In this thread a couple of months ago there was a solution offered to the
problem of determining the value of an ID Autonumber of a record just added.


It was stunning in its simplicity, so of course I didn't write it down  ;-( 

Can anyone help?

TIA

Stephen Bond 
Otatara, New Zealand 
( tel 03 213 1256   fax 03 213 0123 
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From music at weblnk.net  Mon May  5 23:55:13 2003
From: music at weblnk.net (Jason Strickland)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 00:55:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Notebook Processor
In-Reply-To: <002801c3137f$83eb8310$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <DAEHJOOMDNIENOENCOFIKEMGCHAA.music@weblnk.net>

Go for the Pentium M processor (otherwise confused as Centrino)  Has much
better battery life.  I'm looking at several right now trying to make a
final decision.

Jason
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  Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:28 PM
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: [AccessD] OT: Notebook Processor


  I have to spec a notebook for a friend.  Any big difference between a
Celeron and a P4?  This is for pretty casual use - Word, Excel, web
browsing - not a power user, just getting her real estate license.

  MTIA,

  Rocky Smolin
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue May  6 01:43:58 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 07:43:58 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
In-Reply-To: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A00A@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>
Message-ID: <002f01c3139a$df120fa0$b274d0d5@andypc>

Thanks to all who replied. With the list's help I've got it working in
Outlook. Just couldn't see it before.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Haslett, Andrew
> Sent: 06 May 2003 01:26
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> 
> 
> You can do this quite easily in outlook.
> 
> One option is to create two separate profiles. One for 
> yourself and one for your wife. You can both open the same 
> PST file to store 'common' emails, and I *believe* you can 
> share contacts (not sure on that one though).
> 
> Having separate profiles isn't necessarily required though, I 
> think there is also an option of sending using a specific account.. 
> 
> You can also quite easily select one of a number of stored 
> signatures before you send the email..
> 
> Cheers,
> Andrew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg]
> Sent: Tuesday, 6 May 2003 9:09 AM
> To: Andy Lacey; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> 
> 
> 
> Check out Pegasus Mail at  http://www.pmail.com
> It does this and more with it's "Identities"
> 
> 
> On 5 May 2003 at 17:37, Andy Lacey wrote:
> 
> > Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> > 
> > I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but recently my 
> > wife is getting more into email and that's thrown up what I 
> think is a 
> > limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to both 
> use the same 
> > email client and both see all incoming mail (personal stuff 
> may be to 
> > either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc, but when 
> we send an 
> > email we want to be able to determine which of us is the Sender and 
> > therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to each have our own 
> > signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't cater for this at all 
> > well. I can set her own profile up but that separates us 
> too much. If 
> > a friend happens to have written to my email address themn my wife 
> > won't see it because it'll be in my Inbox, and vice-versa. 
> My question
> > is: can what I'm describing be done in another client such 
> as Eudora?
> > 
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > 
> > 
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> Support.
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From ad_tp at hotmail.com  Tue May  6 02:15:35 2003
From: ad_tp at hotmail.com (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 12:45:35 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Eval not working?
References: <014901c31264$8cb7ef40$b274d0d5@andypc>
Message-ID: <Law9-OE23L9NtDEJmGz00010d4d@hotmail.com>

MessageRyan,

    Could you kindly post the particulars of each label (name & caption) as well as the exact code used by you. If the functions are user-defined (i.e. not inbuilt ones), the code for each such function may also pl be given. 
    It is presumed that you have test checked each function to work properly when used in a normal manner(i.e. not by Eval() method)

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
-----------------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Andy Lacey 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 23:12
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Eval not working?


  Sounds odd Ryan. It should work as you have it, and I'd certainly expect Access to fail if the function name was incorrect. Have you stepped through it in debug?

  Andy Lacey
  http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



    -----Original Message-----
    From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Smethurst, Ryan
    Sent: 02 May 2003 17:24
    To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
    Subject: [AccessD] Eval not working?


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    Hi All, 

    I have a series of functions that need to be run one after the other. 

    They are all prefixed with the "Update_" and I was hoping to simply loop through labels on a form to complete the names and voila.

    But when I use: 

    strname = First then Second then Third etc etc (example) 

    Eval("Update_" & strName & "()") 

    although I get no error, the function isn't called? 

    Does anyone know why? 

    TIA 
    RyanS 



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From MarkH at bitgen.co.uk  Tue May  6 03:05:46 2003
From: MarkH at bitgen.co.uk (Mark H)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 09:05:46 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Wierd behaviour with DAO and Numbers in Excel
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Hi All...

Sorry this is a bit OT but I thought someone may have seen this before.

I am using Office XP and have a table in a spreadsheet that has a column
which contains either a single character or number. If I load the table
into a recordset using DAO etc. any record where there is a number in
that column comes back as null. If I format the cell as text and edit it
then its ok.

Any ideas on how to avoid this sort of behaviour? Or, more
importantly... Anything else like this worth watching out for?

Thanks in advance

Mark

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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Tue May  6 03:06:23 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 09:06:23 +0100 
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer]OT:  New Name (cross posted)
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956858@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Congratulations Susan! The shared name is a great idea. 
Any wedding photos??

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: 05 May 2003 15:54
To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer]OT: New Name (cross posted)


> For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know that 
> I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when I got 
> married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I married 
> someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the last name 
> of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was awesome and
> we are in total married bliss.   
> 
> --Susan
> 
> 
> Susan B. Geller
> Office of Information Systems
> College of Continuing Education
> University of Minnesota
> 306 Wesbrook Hall
> 77 Pleasant Street SE
> Minneapolis, MN 55455
> Phone:  612-626-4785
> Fax:  612-625-2568
> 
> 
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From tracy at ak.planet.gen.nz  Tue May  6 03:12:23 2003
From: tracy at ak.planet.gen.nz (Tracy)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 20:12:23 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Table links using MySQL
Message-ID: <010601c313a7$3a2d9d80$aa4114ca@Notebook>

Hi Listers
Thought I'd ask:
If the MyODBC is set up correctly on the PC with the backend MySQL data file, is there a need to test the connection during the opening of the Access Frontend ?
Or would the MySQL always be accessable ?

If the MySQL data file isn't available - how do you go about relinking the files to the MySQL data file ?

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From l.van.staalduinen at hccnet.nl  Tue May  6 03:43:05 2003
From: l.van.staalduinen at hccnet.nl (Leendert van Staalduinen)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 10:43:05 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] ADOX references in Access
Message-ID: <007701c313ab$835e5a40$fe78a8c0@vSDMDomain.local>

I have a problem with ADOX references in Access. 

I develop on a PC and have a reference to msadox.dll. The Available References box shows: "Microsoft ADO Ext. 2.7 for DLL and Security" (which is ADOX version 2.7).
When I copy the application to another PC that has not the ADOX version 2.7 (but has a lower ADOX version), I find immediately a Broken Reference (shown in the Available References box as "MISSING:.").
Fixing it in the Available References box is simple though somewhat weird:
I know no better way than clearing the ADOX version 2.7 (which refers to .\ADO\msadox.dll), leave the Available References box, return to it and mark the "Microsoft ADO Ext. 2.1 for DLL and Security" (yes: ADOX version 2.1) and it is fixed. Why weird:  if I return the Available References box, it will show me "Microsoft ADO Ext. 2.5 for DLL and Security" or "Microsoft ADO Ext. 2.6 for DLL and Security" (yes: ADOX version 2.5 or 2.6). All references (broken or fixed) refer to the very same file .\ADO\msadox.dll.
 
Now my problem: how to do this in code. Come'on Access aficionados: don't' tell me:
           Access.Application.References.Remove References.Item(3)
           Call Access.Application.References.AddFromGuid( _
                "{00000600-0000-0010-8000-00AA006D2EA4}", 2, 1)
What's the problem:  the first line References.Remove References.Item(3)  does not work:
Err = -2147319779:   "Object Library not registered".
To be obvious: regsvr32  <path>\msadox.dll does not help.
I interpret this as: the program cannot handle the "Microsoft ADO Ext. 2.7 for DLL and Security" description as it is not known in the registry.

Anybody who can give me good advice. I want to have a bulletproof solution in VBA.
What I am not asking for is an answer like:
-          Fix it in the Available References box.
-          Install ADOX 2.7 (or MDAC 2.6, -2.7) on the other PC (these are PCs on client locations and they do not allow me to dictate the ADOX version (which would be ridiculous too)).
-          Make a Reference to ADOX 2.1 or ADOX 2.5 on your own PC: that does not help, it will show up again as ADOX 2.7.
 
Any good advice ?
Leendert van Staalduinen.
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From ryan.smethurst at bromley.gov.uk  Tue May  6 04:47:52 2003
From: ryan.smethurst at bromley.gov.uk (Smethurst, Ryan)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 10:47:52 +0100 
Subject: [AccessD] Eval not working?
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Yes Andy, 
 
Have stepped through it and it simply steps over the Eval line, no problems
or errors, but neither does it do anything.

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Sent: 04 May 2003 18:43
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Eval not working?



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Sounds odd Ryan. It should work as you have it, and I'd certainly expect
Access to fail if the function name was incorrect. Have you stepped through
it in debug?
 

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk <http://www.minstersystems.co.uk/> 



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Sent: 02 May 2003 17:24
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Hi All, 

I have a series of functions that need to be run one after the other. 

They are all prefixed with the "Update_" and I was hoping to simply loop
through labels on a form to complete the names and voila.

But when I use: 

strname = First then Second then Third etc etc (example) 

Eval("Update_" & strName & "()") 

although I get no error, the function isn't called? 

Does anyone know why? 

TIA 
RyanS 



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From ryan.smethurst at bromley.gov.uk  Tue May  6 04:58:01 2003
From: ryan.smethurst at bromley.gov.uk (Smethurst, Ryan)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 10:58:01 +0100 
Subject: [AccessD] Eval not working?
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Ok, 
 
Error found.
 
I was calling a sub and not a function...seems to work now.
 
Thanks for the help.
 
RyanS

 
 -----Original Message-----
From: A.D.Tejpal [mailto:ad_tp at hotmail.com]
Sent: 06 May 2003 08:16
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Eval not working?



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Ryan,
 
    Could you kindly post the particulars of each label (name & caption) as
well as the exact code used by you. If the functions are user-defined (i.e.
not inbuilt ones), the code for each such function may also pl be given. 
    It is presumed that you have test checked each function to work properly
when used in a normal manner(i.e. not by Eval() method)
 
Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
-----------------------

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Andy Lacey <mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk>  
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>  
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 23:12
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Eval not working?

Sounds odd Ryan. It should work as you have it, and I'd certainly expect
Access to fail if the function name was incorrect. Have you stepped through
it in debug?
 

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk <http://www.minstersystems.co.uk> 



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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Smethurst, Ryan
Sent: 02 May 2003 17:24
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Eval not working?



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Hi All, 

I have a series of functions that need to be run one after the other. 

They are all prefixed with the "Update_" and I was hoping to simply loop
through labels on a form to complete the names and voila.

But when I use: 

strname = First then Second then Third etc etc (example) 

Eval("Update_" & strName & "()") 

although I get no error, the function isn't called? 

Does anyone know why? 

TIA 
RyanS 



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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Tue May  6 05:03:36 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 06:03:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
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On 6 May 2003 at 9:38, Stuart McLachlan wrote:

> 
> Check out Pegasus Mail at  http://www.pmail.com
> It does this and more with it's "Identities"

I'll second Stuart's reommendation.

I have 4 identities set up to deal with 4 different accounts all from 
the same mail store.

It's even got server side mail filtering rules to delete spam before 
it gets to you :-)

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
I've learned....
That the less time I have to work with, the more things I get done.



From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue May  6 05:26:25 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 12:26:25 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Eval not working?
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Hi Ryan

> Error found.
> I was calling a sub and not a function...seems to work now.

But why didn't that throw an 2425 error?

/gustav


> But when I use: 

> strname = First then Second then Third etc etc (example) 

> Eval("Update_" & strName & "()") 

> although I get no error, the function isn't called? 


From ryan.smethurst at bromley.gov.uk  Tue May  6 05:48:16 2003
From: ryan.smethurst at bromley.gov.uk (Smethurst, Ryan)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 11:48:16 +0100 
Subject: [AccessD] Eval not working?
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Gustav,

That's what confused me, but I see that the code I inherited had 'On Error
resume next' hidden away...I think that clears it up!

Thanks again for hte help.

RyanS

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Hi Ryan

> Error found.
> I was calling a sub and not a function...seems to work now.

But why didn't that throw an 2425 error?

/gustav


> But when I use: 

> strname = First then Second then Third etc etc (example) 

> Eval("Update_" & strName & "()") 

> although I get no error, the function isn't called? 

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue May  6 06:28:14 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 13:28:14 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Eval not working?
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Hi Ryan

Well, that explains.

For the records, one way of inhibiting such a line is to insert a line:

  On Error Goto 0

somewhere ahead of the lines you debug but after any other line with
"On Error ..." .

/gustav


> That's what confused me, but I see that the code I inherited had 'On Error
> resume next' hidden away...I think that clears it up!

>> Error found.
>> I was calling a sub and not a function...seems to work now.

> But why didn't that throw an 2425 error?

> /gustav


>> But when I use: 

>> strname = First then Second then Third etc etc (example) 

>> Eval("Update_" & strName & "()") 

>> although I get no error, the function isn't called? 


From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Tue May  6 07:26:06 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 07:26:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Wierd behaviour with DAO and Numbers in Excel
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F877F3@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Mark,

In Excel the datatype of each cell is independent of all of its
neighbors unless you explicitly set them.  In Access all data in a
column must be of the same datatype.  When you import data into Access
from Excel, the first nonNull datum in a column will determine the
datatype that Access will try to use for all the rest of the data in
that column.

Remember this difference between Access and Excel and you will avoid a
lot of data conversion problems.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Mark H [mailto:MarkH at bitgen.co.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday 2003 May 06 03:06
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Wierd behaviour with DAO and Numbers in Excel

Hi All...

Sorry this is a bit OT but I thought someone may have seen this before.

I am using Office XP and have a table in a spreadsheet that has a column
which contains either a single character or number. If I load the table
into a recordset using DAO etc. any record where there is a number in
that column comes back as null. If I format the cell as text and edit it
then its ok.

Any ideas on how to avoid this sort of behaviour? Or, more
importantly... Anything else like this worth watching out for?

Thanks in advance

Mark

From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Tue May  6 07:29:58 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 08:29:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B4B@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Found it thanks.  When I create a new message I don't see an option to choose which account is sending or a "send from" drop down though.  Shouldn't I or can I only read my mail on this account?

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:56 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


You must have the ability to add an internet account. If you are on a corp.
system using exchange they may not allow it.
You can add garbage as an "internet" account and then it should show up.
Just put in something like "test account" - "mail.test.com" for the incoming
and outgoing servers and me at test.com. save it and it should be enough to
fake it into showing you. You could use real info too of course :o)

Another trick you can do to share your info but not your setup is put the
.pst in a shared folder and use it from anywhere on your network. One or two
people can get away with that.

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:32 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
>
>
> I see (or rather I don't).  I don't have 2 accounts set up so I
> won't see it.  How to set up the second account?  Do I use Tools
> | Services and if so which do I choose to add a POP account?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:53 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
>
>
> In Outlook (97+) you should have a dropdown next to the send icon on the
> toolbar of a new message - but only if you have two accounts listed.
>
> In Outlook Express it is an extra row above the TO: field on a new email
> message.
>
> I have used Outlook to manage 6 different email accounts without
> problems. I
> don't use a standard sig on my messages though so each account has to pick
> from the list or type it in. I customized the toolbar so the sig
> icon is on
> it. I still think Outlook is clunky though. If you don't have to use it
> there are better emailers out there!
>
> John B.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:34 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > Pardon the interruption but is this true in O97 too?  I don't see
> > it anywhere.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jim DeMarco
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:24 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > Well in XP it's not quite that but basically you're dead right. It's not
> > a dropdown on the Send but an Accounts dropdown right next to it. How
> > have I managed to use this program for years and never notice that? Many
> > many thanks Keith.
> >
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:58
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > Next to the send button you should see "Accounts" with a drop
> > > down arrow, click on the arrow and select the account being
> > > sent from and you should now see a status message at the top
> > > saying "This message will be sent via XYZ"
> > >
> > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > klk at ksu.edu
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Andy Lacey
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:45 PM
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Keith
> > > > No I'm using full Outlook. So ok I've set up a 2nd account.
> > > > How, when creating email, do I select which account it's from?
> > > >
> > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:35
> > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Using Outlook for this just fine, have multiple email
> > > accounts, can
> > > > > select which account is being sent from by a drop down box.  Even
> > > > > sending mail addressed as coming from yahoo.com via outlook even
> > > > > though can't receive pop via free yahoo accounts (this is
> > > used for
> > > > > web pages trying to submit forms via email.)  So I'm not
> > > sure where
> > > > > the idea this can't be done via outlook is coming from,
> > > unless you
> > > > > are talking outlook express, and then yes, it has "issues".
> > > > >
> > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:38 AM
> > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but
> > > > recently my
> > > > > > wife is getting more into email and that's thrown up what
> > > > I think is
> > > > > > a limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to
> > > > both use the
> > > > > > same email client and both see all incoming mail
> > > > (personal stuff may
> > > > > > be to either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc,
> > > > but when we
> > > > > > send an email we want to be able to determine which of us is the
> > > > > > Sender and therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to
> > > > each have
> > > > > > our own signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't cater for
> > > > > > this at all well. I can set her own profile up but that
> > > separates
> > > > > > us too much. If a friend happens to have written to my email
> > > > > > address themn my wife won't see it because it'll be in
> > > my Inbox,
> > > > > > and vice-versa. My question is: can what I'm describing
> > > be done in
> > > > > > another client such as Eudora?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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From reische at mdh.org  Tue May  6 07:39:49 2003
From: reische at mdh.org (Reische, Brenda L.)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 07:39:49 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Notebook Processor
Message-ID: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B48C86DF6@NEWMAN_EXC>

If I were going into the real estate market, I would go with a tablet pc.
Besides the portability, the functionality in that job arena would be a huge
benefit.  She could have a gallery of all the listings to review with
clients, and take notes with the pen just like it was a notepad.  She could
also do rough sketches of the floorplan right on the tablet.  We use them
here at the hospital, and I really like them.  The model we settled on was
the Fujitsu Stylistic series - with a wireless keyboard.  Some other models
had a built-in digital camera, which would be great for creating
walk-throughs of her listings.  Another I would consider would be the
Toshiba convertible tablet pc.  Looks just like a laptop until you swivel
the head around and close it...

 

HTH,

Brenda Reische

Application Support Analyst

McDonough District Hospital

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:28 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Notebook Processor

 

I have to spec a notebook for a friend.  Any big difference between a
Celeron and a P4?  This is for pretty casual use - Word, Excel, web browsing
- not a power user, just getting her real estate license.

 

MTIA,

 

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

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From MarkH at bitgen.co.uk  Tue May  6 07:51:01 2003
From: MarkH at bitgen.co.uk (Mark H)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 13:51:01 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Wierd behaviour with DAO and Numbers in Excel
In-Reply-To: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F877F3@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <000501c313ce$25b6bef0$950d6bd5@netboxxp>

Thanks for that Charles...

Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Wortz,
Charles
Sent: 06 May 2003 13:26
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Wierd behaviour with DAO and Numbers in
Excel


Mark,

In Excel the datatype of each cell is independent of all of its
neighbors unless you explicitly set them.  In Access all data in a
column must be of the same datatype.  When you import data into Access
from Excel, the first nonNull datum in a column will determine the
datatype that Access will try to use for all the rest of the data in
that column.

Remember this difference between Access and Excel and you will avoid a
lot of data conversion problems.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Mark H [mailto:MarkH at bitgen.co.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday 2003 May 06 03:06
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Wierd behaviour with DAO and Numbers in Excel

Hi All...

Sorry this is a bit OT but I thought someone may have seen this before.

I am using Office XP and have a table in a spreadsheet that has a column
which contains either a single character or number. If I load the table
into a recordset using DAO etc. any record where there is a number in
that column comes back as null. If I format the cell as text and edit it
then its ok.

Any ideas on how to avoid this sort of behaviour? Or, more
importantly... Anything else like this worth watching out for?

Thanks in advance

Mark
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue May  6 08:28:48 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 06:28:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Print Dialog Box
Message-ID: <008b01c313d3$6d613460$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Dear List:

I have a pop up form that displays error message.  There's a button on the form to print the form - just uses DoCmd.PrintOut.  But the client wants the user to be able to pick the printer through the print dialog box (so, for example, they could print to a Fax printer).

So I need to trigger the printer dialog box through code.  Does anyone know how?

Thanks and regards,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
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From JHewson at karta.com  Tue May  6 08:44:02 2003
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 08:44:02 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <353A32F9B331D411BB8F00A0C9FC503701294B77@NT04>

Gustav posted a solution for "Selecting Nth Max or Min from a table" a few
days ago.
In his solution, he used the in-line subquery.  His final comment was:
<Snip>
Those not familiar with the strange [..]. syntax may look up the
archives for "SQL in-line subquery"
<Snip>
Since I was (am) unfamiliar with this concept, I did look it up.
I have a few questions.
1.  Does this method run faster than a nested query?
2.  What are the pitfalls?
3.  What are the benefits?

Any information or insight on this topic would be great.
Thanks in advance to all responders.
Jim

From bob at renaissancesiding.com  Tue May  6 08:50:44 2003
From: bob at renaissancesiding.com (Bob Gajewski)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 09:50:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Print Dialog Box
Message-ID: <01C313B4.F70D7080.bob@renaissancesiding.com>

Rocky

This is the code that I use to ask the user if they want to override the 
print options, then allow them (if YES), then close the report:

=============================================

    'Print completed job order
        Dim strReportName As String
            strReportName = "rptJobOrder"
        If vbNo = MsgBox("Do you want to override the print options?", _
	vbYesNo + vbQuestion, "Job Order Print Options Override") Then
            DoCmd.OpenReport strReportName, acNormal
        Else
            DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdPrint
        End If
        DoCmd.Close acReport, strReportName

=============================================

Regards,
Bob Gajewski


On Tuesday, May 06, 2003 09:29 AM, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
[SMTP:bchacc at san.rr.com] wrote:
> Dear List:
>
> I have a pop up form that displays error message.  There's a button on 
the form to print the form - just uses DoCmd.PrintOut.  But the client 
wants the user to be able to pick the printer through the print dialog box 
(so, for example, they could print to a Fax printer)
>
> So I need to trigger the printer dialog box through code.  Does anyone 
know how?
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
>  << File: ATT00026.htm >>  << File: ATT00027.txt >> 


From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue May  6 09:16:27 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 07:16:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Print Dialog Box
References: <01C313B4.F70D7080.bob@renaissancesiding.com>
Message-ID: <00be01c313da$158127d0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Bob:

Thanks for the quick reply.  "DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdPrint"  was exactly what
I needed.


Best,

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Gajewski" <bob at renaissancesiding.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 6:50 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Print Dialog Box


> Rocky
>
> This is the code that I use to ask the user if they want to override the
> print options, then allow them (if YES), then close the report:
>
> =============================================
>
>     'Print completed job order
>         Dim strReportName As String
>             strReportName = "rptJobOrder"
>         If vbNo = MsgBox("Do you want to override the print options?", _
> vbYesNo + vbQuestion, "Job Order Print Options Override") Then
>             DoCmd.OpenReport strReportName, acNormal
>         Else
>             DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdPrint
>         End If
>         DoCmd.Close acReport, strReportName
>
> =============================================
>
> Regards,
> Bob Gajewski
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 06, 2003 09:29 AM, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> [SMTP:bchacc at san.rr.com] wrote:
> > Dear List:
> >
> > I have a pop up form that displays error message.  There's a button on
> the form to print the form - just uses DoCmd.PrintOut.  But the client
> wants the user to be able to pick the printer through the print dialog box
> (so, for example, they could print to a Fax printer)
> >
> > So I need to trigger the printer dialog box through code.  Does anyone
> know how?
> >
> > Thanks and regards,
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> >  << File: ATT00026.htm >>  << File: ATT00027.txt >>
>
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From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Tue May  6 09:24:23 2003
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 10:24:23 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] 3 subreports in detail section - show only one?
Message-ID: <806536912C472E4A9D6515DF2E57261E0C5A21@mercury.tnco-inc.com>

Hello All,

(Access 2000)

I have a report that has 3 subreports in it detail section. Each record in
the data source of my report only links up to one of the subreports. The
subreport that it links up to varies from record to record. I know which
subreport it is linked up to via a field in my main report data source
called 'machine'.

Is it possible to hide 2 of the 3 subreports and show the 3rd for each
detail section? Meaning that on a given report that has 3 records in the
main report would have a detail section showing: subreport1 for record1 and
hide subreport2 and subreport3, show subreport3 for record2 and hide
subreport1 and subreport2, ...? (there could be any combination here)

I tried putting this code into the detail_format section:

Select Case Me.[Machine]
    Case 1, 2, 5, 6, 7, 8
        Me.tblBarrel_subreport.Form.Visible = True
        Me.tblSandBlast_subreport.Form.Visible = False
        Me.tblSweco_subreport.Form.Visible = False
    Case 3, 4
        Me.tblBarrel_subreport.Form.Visible = False
        Me.tblSandBlast_subreport.Form.Visible = False
        Me.tblSweco_subreport.Form.Visible = True
    Case 9, 10, 11, 12, 13
        Me.tblBarrel_subreport.Form.Visible = False
        Me.tblSandBlast_subreport.Form.Visible = True
        Me.tblSweco_subreport.Form.Visible = False
    Case Else
        MsgBox "Machine not recognized!"
        DoCmd.Close acReport, Me.Name
End Select


As I traced through the code the report displays a blank preview as soon as
it hits the first *.Visible line and the causes Access to crash.

Thanks!

Joe Rojas
jrojas at tnco-inc.com





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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue May  6 09:46:53 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 16:46:53 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] 3 subreports in detail section - show only one?
In-Reply-To: <806536912C472E4A9D6515DF2E57261E0C5A21@mercury.tnco-inc.com>
References: <806536912C472E4A9D6515DF2E57261E0C5A21@mercury.tnco-inc.com>
Message-ID: <9228662324.20030506164653@cactus.dk>

Hi Joe

Wouldn't it be the controls and not the subforms to hide:

>         Me.tblBarrel_subreport.Visible = True
>         Me.tblSandBlast_subreport.Visible = False
>         Me.tblSweco_subreport.Visible = False

/gustav


> Hello All,

> (Access 2000)

> I have a report that has 3 subreports in it detail section. Each record in
> the data source of my report only links up to one of the subreports. The
> subreport that it links up to varies from record to record. I know which
> subreport it is linked up to via a field in my main report data source
> called 'machine'.

> Is it possible to hide 2 of the 3 subreports and show the 3rd for each
> detail section? Meaning that on a given report that has 3 records in the
> main report would have a detail section showing: subreport1 for record1 and
> hide subreport2 and subreport3, show subreport3 for record2 and hide
> subreport1 and subreport2, ...? (there could be any combination here)

> I tried putting this code into the detail_format section:

> Select Case Me.[Machine]
>     Case 1, 2, 5, 6, 7, 8
>         Me.tblBarrel_subreport.Form.Visible = True
>         Me.tblSandBlast_subreport.Form.Visible = False
>         Me.tblSweco_subreport.Form.Visible = False
>     Case 3, 4
>         Me.tblBarrel_subreport.Form.Visible = False
>         Me.tblSandBlast_subreport.Form.Visible = False
>         Me.tblSweco_subreport.Form.Visible = True
>     Case 9, 10, 11, 12, 13
>         Me.tblBarrel_subreport.Form.Visible = False
>         Me.tblSandBlast_subreport.Form.Visible = True
>         Me.tblSweco_subreport.Form.Visible = False
>     Case Else
>         MsgBox "Machine not recognized!"
>         DoCmd.Close acReport, Me.Name
> End Select


> As I traced through the code the report displays a blank preview as soon as
> it hits the first *.Visible line and the causes Access to crash.

> Thanks!

> Joe Rojas
> jrojas at tnco-inc.com


From papparuff at attbi.com  Tue May  6 09:47:14 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 07:47:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] 3 subreports in detail section - show only one?
In-Reply-To: <806536912C472E4A9D6515DF2E57261E0C5A21@mercury.tnco-inc.com>
Message-ID: <00c501c313de$626835d0$6401a8c0@papparuff>

This should work:

tblBarrel_subreport.Visible = False
tblSandBlast_subreport.Visible = False
tblSweco_subreport.Visible = False

Select Case Me.[Machine]
    Case 1, 2, 5, 6, 7, 8
        tblBarrel_subreport.Visible = True
    Case 3, 4
        tblSweco_subreport.Visible = True
    Case 9, 10, 11, 12, 13
        tblSandBlast_subreport.Visible = True
    Case Else
        MsgBox "Machine not recognized!"
        DoCmd.Close acReport, Me.Name
End Select


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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:24 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] 3 subreports in detail section - show only one?


Hello All,

(Access 2000)

I have a report that has 3 subreports in it detail section. Each record in
the data source of my report only links up to one of the subreports. The
subreport that it links up to varies from record to record. I know which
subreport it is linked up to via a field in my main report data source
called 'machine'.

Is it possible to hide 2 of the 3 subreports and show the 3rd for each
detail section? Meaning that on a given report that has 3 records in the
main report would have a detail section showing: subreport1 for record1 and
hide subreport2 and subreport3, show subreport3 for record2 and hide
subreport1 and subreport2, ...? (there could be any combination here)

I tried putting this code into the detail_format section:

Select Case Me.[Machine]
    Case 1, 2, 5, 6, 7, 8
        Me.tblBarrel_subreport.Form.Visible = True
        Me.tblSandBlast_subreport.Form.Visible = False
        Me.tblSweco_subreport.Form.Visible = False
    Case 3, 4
        Me.tblBarrel_subreport.Form.Visible = False
        Me.tblSandBlast_subreport.Form.Visible = False
        Me.tblSweco_subreport.Form.Visible = True
    Case 9, 10, 11, 12, 13
        Me.tblBarrel_subreport.Form.Visible = False
        Me.tblSandBlast_subreport.Form.Visible = True
        Me.tblSweco_subreport.Form.Visible = False
    Case Else
        MsgBox "Machine not recognized!"
        DoCmd.Close acReport, Me.Name
End Select


As I traced through the code the report displays a blank preview as soon as
it hits the first *.Visible line and the causes Access to crash.

Thanks!

Joe Rojas
jrojas at tnco-inc.com





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From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Tue May  6 10:03:16 2003
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 11:03:16 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] 3 subreports in detail section - show only one?
Message-ID: <806536912C472E4A9D6515DF2E57261E0C5A22@mercury.tnco-inc.com>

Yep, that was it.

Thank you!

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:47 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] 3 subreports in detail section - show only one?

Hi Joe

Wouldn't it be the controls and not the subforms to hide:

>         Me.tblBarrel_subreport.Visible = True
>         Me.tblSandBlast_subreport.Visible = False
>         Me.tblSweco_subreport.Visible = False

/gustav


> Hello All,

> (Access 2000)

> I have a report that has 3 subreports in it detail section. Each record in
> the data source of my report only links up to one of the subreports. The
> subreport that it links up to varies from record to record. I know which
> subreport it is linked up to via a field in my main report data source
> called 'machine'.

> Is it possible to hide 2 of the 3 subreports and show the 3rd for each
> detail section? Meaning that on a given report that has 3 records in the
> main report would have a detail section showing: subreport1 for record1
and
> hide subreport2 and subreport3, show subreport3 for record2 and hide
> subreport1 and subreport2, ...? (there could be any combination here)

> I tried putting this code into the detail_format section:

> Select Case Me.[Machine]
>     Case 1, 2, 5, 6, 7, 8
>         Me.tblBarrel_subreport.Form.Visible = True
>         Me.tblSandBlast_subreport.Form.Visible = False
>         Me.tblSweco_subreport.Form.Visible = False
>     Case 3, 4
>         Me.tblBarrel_subreport.Form.Visible = False
>         Me.tblSandBlast_subreport.Form.Visible = False
>         Me.tblSweco_subreport.Form.Visible = True
>     Case 9, 10, 11, 12, 13
>         Me.tblBarrel_subreport.Form.Visible = False
>         Me.tblSandBlast_subreport.Form.Visible = True
>         Me.tblSweco_subreport.Form.Visible = False
>     Case Else
>         MsgBox "Machine not recognized!"
>         DoCmd.Close acReport, Me.Name
> End Select


> As I traced through the code the report displays a blank preview as soon
as
> it hits the first *.Visible line and the causes Access to crash.

> Thanks!

> Joe Rojas
> jrojas at tnco-inc.com

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue May  6 10:12:14 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 17:12:14 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
In-Reply-To: <353A32F9B331D411BB8F00A0C9FC503701294B77@NT04>
References: <353A32F9B331D411BB8F00A0C9FC503701294B77@NT04>
Message-ID: <4630183171.20030506171214@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

> <Snip>
> Those not familiar with the strange [..]. syntax may look up the
> archives for "SQL in-line subquery"
> <Snip>

> Since I was (am) unfamiliar with this concept, I did look it up.
> I have a few questions.

> 1.  Does this method run faster than a nested query?

A saved and compiled nested query may run faster. Haven't done any
testing though.

> 2.  What are the pitfalls?

One is that no documentation is available as far as I know.

> 3.  What are the benefits?

That you can avoid temporary tables or subqueries. All code is in one
query which is an advantage if you build it from VBA code.

/gustav


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue May  6 10:28:38 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 08:28:38 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F01@infoserver01.infostat.local>

You can customize the toolbar to show the Accounts dropdown or you can
get to it through the menus.  When you have multiple accounts set up,
all your mail from all accounts will come into the same inbox.  You send
from the default account unless you have specified a different one.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 4:30 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


Found it thanks.  When I create a new message I don't see an option to
choose which account is sending or a "send from" drop down though.
Shouldn't I or can I only read my mail on this account?

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:56 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


You must have the ability to add an internet account. If you are on a
corp. system using exchange they may not allow it. You can add garbage
as an "internet" account and then it should show up. Just put in
something like "test account" - "mail.test.com" for the incoming and
outgoing servers and me at test.com. save it and it should be enough to
fake it into showing you. You could use real info too of course :o)

Another trick you can do to share your info but not your setup is put
the .pst in a shared folder and use it from anywhere on your network.
One or two people can get away with that.

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:32 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
>
>
> I see (or rather I don't).  I don't have 2 accounts set up so I won't 
> see it.  How to set up the second account?  Do I use Tools
> | Services and if so which do I choose to add a POP account?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:53 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
>
>
> In Outlook (97+) you should have a dropdown next to the send icon on 
> the toolbar of a new message - but only if you have two accounts 
> listed.
>
> In Outlook Express it is an extra row above the TO: field on a new 
> email message.
>
> I have used Outlook to manage 6 different email accounts without 
> problems. I don't use a standard sig on my messages though so each 
> account has to pick from the list or type it in. I customized the 
> toolbar so the sig icon is on
> it. I still think Outlook is clunky though. If you don't have to use
it
> there are better emailers out there!
>
> John B.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim 
> > DeMarco
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:34 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > Pardon the interruption but is this true in O97 too?  I don't see it

> > anywhere.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jim DeMarco
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:24 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > Well in XP it's not quite that but basically you're dead right. It's

> > not a dropdown on the Send but an Accounts dropdown right next to 
> > it. How have I managed to use this program for years and never 
> > notice that? Many many thanks Keith.
> >
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Keith 
> > > L. Kovala
> > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:58
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > Next to the send button you should see "Accounts" with a drop down

> > > arrow, click on the arrow and select the account being sent from 
> > > and you should now see a status message at the top saying "This 
> > > message will be sent via XYZ"
> > >
> > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > klk at ksu.edu
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Andy Lacey
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:45 PM
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Keith
> > > > No I'm using full Outlook. So ok I've set up a 2nd account. How,

> > > > when creating email, do I select which account it's from?
> > > >
> > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:35
> > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Using Outlook for this just fine, have multiple email
> > > accounts, can
> > > > > select which account is being sent from by a drop down box.  
> > > > > Even sending mail addressed as coming from yahoo.com via 
> > > > > outlook even though can't receive pop via free yahoo accounts 
> > > > > (this is
> > > used for
> > > > > web pages trying to submit forms via email.)  So I'm not
> > > sure where
> > > > > the idea this can't be done via outlook is coming from,
> > > unless you
> > > > > are talking outlook express, and then yes, it has "issues".
> > > > >
> > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:38 AM
> > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but
> > > > recently my
> > > > > > wife is getting more into email and that's thrown up what
> > > > I think is
> > > > > > a limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to
> > > > both use the
> > > > > > same email client and both see all incoming mail
> > > > (personal stuff may
> > > > > > be to either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc,
> > > > but when we
> > > > > > send an email we want to be able to determine which of us is

> > > > > > the Sender and therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want 
> > > > > > to
> > > > each have
> > > > > > our own signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't cater 
> > > > > > for this at all well. I can set her own profile up but that
> > > separates
> > > > > > us too much. If a friend happens to have written to my email

> > > > > > address themn my wife won't see it because it'll be in
> > > my Inbox,
> > > > > > and vice-versa. My question is: can what I'm describing
> > > be done in
> > > > > > another client such as Eudora?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue May  6 10:41:36 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 08:41:36 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Notebook Processor
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F03@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I've been buying "no name" laptops for years and much prefer them to the
name brands.  Most of them are the equivalent of the Dells and Gateways.
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
	Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 7:55 PM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Notebook Processor
	
	
	By all means go with a Celeron or AMD CPU for normal to light
work loads. Saves a lot of cash!
	 
	You migth want to consider the weigh as the overall
consideration if she has to carry it much, otherwise connectivity is the
issue I look at. I have a USB hub on mine and don't use anything but the
processor when in my office. On the road its nice to not have a soar
shoulder from long hauls in the airport! More and more I'm using my
Pocket PC for everything but take along work anyway. About the only I
can't do on it is programming and typing Word documents (time for one of
those keyboard thingies I guess). For real estate maybe you might want
to look at one of those tablet jobs?
	 
	If she doesn't want to spend much you can get great deals on
reconditioned laptops. I've gotten those for people that don't want to
spend much and only do light duty with them like email and word, etc.
you can also get no-name laptops now. (Most of the big guys don't make
their own laptops anyway.)
	 
	HTH
	JB

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		From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
		Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:28 PM
		To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
		Subject: [AccessD] OT: Notebook Processor
		
		
		I have to spec a notebook for a friend.  Any big
difference between a Celeron and a P4?  This is for pretty casual use -
Word, Excel, web browsing - not a power user, just getting her real
estate license.
		 
		MTIA,
		 
		Rocky Smolin
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue May  6 10:57:41 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 10:57:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] Crosstab question
In-Reply-To: <1365244381.20030306094816@cactus.dk>
References: <01C2D1E6.28E7AC30.bob@renaissancesiding.com>
        <57717.199.67.140.20.1046894317.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>
        <1365244381.20030306094816@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <35324.199.67.140.20.1052236661.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>

Hey guys, I am having trouble writing a crosstab query, what I have now, is

FILTER  Mo1  Mo2  Mo3  Mo4-6  Mo7-12 Yr2
aaa      1    2    2     22     11    2
bbb      1    4    4     33     33    3
ccc      1    1    1     11     11    1
ddd      2    2    2      2      2    2   etc.

I need it in this format --

DATE aaa bbb ccc
Mo1   1   1   1
Mo2   2   4   1
Mo3

I am using crosstab querry, in row heading I put FILTER, what do I put in
Column heading ?



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From jscott at mchsi.com  Tue May  6 11:02:05 2003
From: jscott at mchsi.com (jscott at mchsi.com)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 16:02:05 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Close current database
Message-ID: <200305061602.h46G26g10745@databaseadvisors.com>

OK - thought it worked perfectly. Thanks to everyone for all the great 
examples! My problem is this - when I use the .closecurrentdb method it closes 
the currentdb and doesn't continue executing the code - although it seems that 
it should according to the documentation ... 

If I use the code below it opens the second db fine but the problem is that the 
second db is copying a file over the calling db then closing itself and 
reopening the calling db so the QUIT occurs after the first has been opened.

I know it's confusing. I've got all the rest to work except this one little 
thing!

Anyone help??????

> This works perfectly! Thank you so much! I would have never stumbled across 
> that myself. :)
> 
> --
> 
> Jeanine 
> > On 2 May 2003 at 7:29, Jeanine wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > I just can't get the darn thing to close itself and open another db.
> > > 
> > 
> > One way, of the top of my head would be:
> > 
> > Public Declare Function ShellExecute Lib "shell32.dll" Alias _
> > "ShellExecuteA" (ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal lpOperation As String, _
> > ByVal lpFile As String, ByVal lpParameters As String, ByVal _
> > lpDirectory As String, ByVal nShowCmd As Long) As Long _
> > 
> > Sub OpenTheOtherOne()
> > 	ShellExecute(0,"Open","C:\Full\Path\To\YourSecondApp.mdb"","","",1)
> > 	DoCmd.Quit
> > End Sub
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue May  6 11:04:32 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 11:04:32 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B04@main2.marlow.com>

dim rs as recordset
rs.AddNew
rs.Field(1).value="Test"
rs.Update
msgbox rs.Field(0).value
rs.close


As soon as you update the new record, the Autonumber field is populated.
(in my sample code above, the ID/AN is field 0).

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:53 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


In this thread a couple of months ago there was a solution offered to the
problem of determining the value of an ID Autonumber of a record just added.


It was stunning in its simplicity, so of course I didn't write it down  ;-( 

Can anyone help?

TIA

Stephen Bond 
Otatara, New Zealand 
( tel 03 213 1256   fax 03 213 0123 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue May  6 11:09:18 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 11:09:18 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B05@main2.marlow.com>

Actually, 'in-line' queries or subqueries are described in Access 97's help
files.  Just look up SQL Subqueries, or just subqueries.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:12 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


Hi Jim

> <Snip>
> Those not familiar with the strange [..]. syntax may look up the
> archives for "SQL in-line subquery"
> <Snip>

> Since I was (am) unfamiliar with this concept, I did look it up.
> I have a few questions.

> 1.  Does this method run faster than a nested query?

A saved and compiled nested query may run faster. Haven't done any
testing though.

> 2.  What are the pitfalls?

One is that no documentation is available as far as I know.

> 3.  What are the benefits?

That you can avoid temporary tables or subqueries. All code is in one
query which is an advantage if you build it from VBA code.

/gustav

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From slee at asu.edu  Tue May  6 11:08:25 2003
From: slee at asu.edu (S Lee)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 09:08:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@
Message-ID: <A7AF1AE70A8C124593A1AC831EFE46FE0C1D74@ex3.asurite.ad.asu.edu>

There is also the 

C:\Documents and Settings\<your user name>\Application
Data\Microsoft\Outlook\outcmd.dat

file that has the menu bar and other Outlook window settings.


-----Original Message-----
From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 7:34 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


Your .pst file and Rules file are located in the same directory
C:\Documents and Settings\UserName\Application Data\Microsoft\Outlook

The Email file is called outlook.pst
The Rules file is called Microsoft Outlook Internet Settings.RWZ

You can copy the .pst from your good computer to the new one and all your
emails will be there.

Copying the Rules is a bit different in that you must IMPORT your rules.
>From the top line menu select Tools > Rules Wizard.  Select the Options
button in the lower right corner of the dialog form the pops up.  An Options
dialog form will be displayed.  Press the Import Rules and you will be able
to select the old .rwz file to import.  Once you have imported the rules,
you are going to have to recheck them all...you'll see what I mean.



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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 6:57 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


Well, today my NTLDR wouldn't!  Or wasn't, depending on who you talked to!

I never did get it back, but after 4 hours of trying I had succeeded in
getting a floppy to boot (I had a weird boot config as well) and then
succeeded in getting Office apps to run windows setup every time they
loaded, trashed IE and so forth and so on.

So... I went down, bought a new 120mb hard disk, and started over.  I did
this of course so that I didn't overwrite anything (else) in the process of
getting windows working again.  Installed Win2kSP.  Of course no network,
video, sound and most critically drivers for the Promise100 IDE 3/4 where my
old disks now reside.  More hours searching for CDs and floppies for those
things, searching the internet (on my other computer - thank GOD for "the
other computer").

Of course I then spent several hours applying service packs, reloading O2K
(only, so far), Norton utilities, NAV, and am still in the process of
re-installing everything I can think of that I used to have.  The weird
thing is that I have my outlook.pst, but that apparently doesn't have the
personalized settings in it for things like rules, signature, etc.

Anyway, still loading stuff!

WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT
A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A
PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!

My question to you kind folks, where the (*&%)%$#!@ are rules / sig and the
like kept for Outlook?

It seems like you would just copy the entire jcolby user and be back with
all that kind of stuff.  The problem of course is that there is stuff in
there for programs that don't exist (at least in the same place) etc.

Sigh!

John W. Colby


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue May  6 11:11:02 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 11:11:02 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Notebook Processor
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B06@main2.marlow.com>

Couldn't agree more.  In fact, the best idea is to contact a local
distributor/computer shop, and find out what they recommend.  Ideally, you
want a modular laptop, one that if something goes wrong, the
distributor/shop can just replace on part and their done.  Nothing is worse
then having your machine gone for weeks to a manufacturer.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:42 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Notebook Processor


I've been buying "no name" laptops for years and much prefer them to the
name brands.  Most of them are the equivalent of the Dells and Gateways.
 
Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 7:55 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Notebook Processor


By all means go with a Celeron or AMD CPU for normal to light work loads.
Saves a lot of cash!
 
You migth want to consider the weigh as the overall consideration if she has
to carry it much, otherwise connectivity is the issue I look at. I have a
USB hub on mine and don't use anything but the processor when in my office.
On the road its nice to not have a soar shoulder from long hauls in the
airport! More and more I'm using my Pocket PC for everything but take along
work anyway. About the only I can't do on it is programming and typing Word
documents (time for one of those keyboard thingies I guess). For real estate
maybe you might want to look at one of those tablet jobs?
 
If she doesn't want to spend much you can get great deals on reconditioned
laptops. I've gotten those for people that don't want to spend much and only
do light duty with them like email and word, etc. you can also get no-name
laptops now. (Most of the big guys don't make their own laptops anyway.)
 
HTH
JB

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:28 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Notebook Processor


I have to spec a notebook for a friend.  Any big difference between a
Celeron and a P4?  This is for pretty casual use - Word, Excel, web browsing
- not a power user, just getting her real estate license.
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue May  6 11:18:06 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 09:18:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Notebook Processor
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F06@infoserver01.infostat.local>

You've got that exactly right, Drew!  That was why I started buying
no-names in the first place.  I can call my distributor and say, "how
fast can you get me a ...?", and take it to his place and stand over him
while he fixes/upgrades/replaces. <VBG>
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
	Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 8:11 AM
	To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Notebook Processor
	
	
	Couldn't agree more.  In fact, the best idea is to contact a
local distributor/computer shop, and find out what they recommend.
Ideally, you want a modular laptop, one that if something goes wrong,
the distributor/shop can just replace on part and their done.  Nothing
is worse then having your machine gone for weeks to a manufacturer.
	 
	Drew

		-----Original Message-----
		From: Charlotte Foust
[mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
		Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:42 AM
		To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
		Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Notebook Processor
		
		
		I've been buying "no name" laptops for years and much
prefer them to the name brands.  Most of them are the equivalent of the
Dells and Gateways.
		 
		Charlotte Foust

			-----Original Message-----
			From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
			Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 7:55 PM
			To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
			Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Notebook Processor
			
			
			By all means go with a Celeron or AMD CPU for
normal to light work loads. Saves a lot of cash!
			 
			You migth want to consider the weigh as the
overall consideration if she has to carry it much, otherwise
connectivity is the issue I look at. I have a USB hub on mine and don't
use anything but the processor when in my office. On the road its nice
to not have a soar shoulder from long hauls in the airport! More and
more I'm using my Pocket PC for everything but take along work anyway.
About the only I can't do on it is programming and typing Word documents
(time for one of those keyboard thingies I guess). For real estate maybe
you might want to look at one of those tablet jobs?
			 
			If she doesn't want to spend much you can get
great deals on reconditioned laptops. I've gotten those for people that
don't want to spend much and only do light duty with them like email and
word, etc. you can also get no-name laptops now. (Most of the big guys
don't make their own laptops anyway.)
			 
			HTH
			JB

				-----Original Message-----
				From:
accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
				Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:28 PM
				To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
				Subject: [AccessD] OT: Notebook
Processor
				
				
				I have to spec a notebook for a friend.
Any big difference between a Celeron and a P4?  This is for pretty
casual use - Word, Excel, web browsing - not a power user, just getting
her real estate license.
				 
				MTIA,
				 
				Rocky Smolin
				Beach Access Software

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue May  6 11:19:13 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 09:19:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F07@infoserver01.infostat.local>

As I recall, the help files did NOT include anything on the [...]
syntax.  I stumbled over that myself in 97 but never found anything in
the help files except on regular subqueries.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 8:09 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


Actually, 'in-line' queries or subqueries are described in Access 97's
help files.  Just look up SQL Subqueries, or just subqueries.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:12 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


Hi Jim

> <Snip>
> Those not familiar with the strange [..]. syntax may look up the 
> archives for "SQL in-line subquery" <Snip>

> Since I was (am) unfamiliar with this concept, I did look it up. I 
> have a few questions.

> 1.  Does this method run faster than a nested query?

A saved and compiled nested query may run faster. Haven't done any
testing though.

> 2.  What are the pitfalls?

One is that no documentation is available as far as I know.

> 3.  What are the benefits?

That you can avoid temporary tables or subqueries. All code is in one
query which is an advantage if you build it from VBA code.

/gustav

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From artful at rogers.com  Tue May  6 11:28:59 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 12:28:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - job
In-Reply-To: <003b01c31380$11caf080$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>
Message-ID: <028501c313ec$991c8aa0$8e01a8c0@Rock>

In that case, I am in need of some work. I have two part-time clients and a
couple of net-zine writing gigs but Income is still less than Outgo :-)

Advantages:
A) ADP+SQL expertise.
B) Very experienced with large (500 tables +) databases.
C) My rates are in CDN $.
D) Given SQL access and an IP to the database plus a Terminal Services
session, you'd think I was actually on the premises (unless you want to go
for sushi, in which we'd have to go to separate restaurants).
E) Although many people think of it as grunt work, I actually quite like
diving into Access code and figuring out a sproc that will replace many
lines with two.
F) I use VSS a lot, so versioning or team participation are non-issues.
G) I use CodeLib a lot, and have dozens of canned subs and funcs ready to
drop into a project.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: May 5, 2003 11:32 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - job


...the AccessD list netiquette rules posted at www.databaseadvisors.com
specifically state that job postings, either wants or needs, are welcome so
long as the same job is not posted more than once per week. :)

William Hindman


From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue May  6 11:30:27 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 11:30:27 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B07@main2.marlow.com>

What's the [...] syntax?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:19 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


As I recall, the help files did NOT include anything on the [...]
syntax.  I stumbled over that myself in 97 but never found anything in
the help files except on regular subqueries.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 8:09 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


Actually, 'in-line' queries or subqueries are described in Access 97's
help files.  Just look up SQL Subqueries, or just subqueries.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:12 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


Hi Jim

> <Snip>
> Those not familiar with the strange [..]. syntax may look up the 
> archives for "SQL in-line subquery" <Snip>

> Since I was (am) unfamiliar with this concept, I did look it up. I 
> have a few questions.

> 1.  Does this method run faster than a nested query?

A saved and compiled nested query may run faster. Haven't done any
testing though.

> 2.  What are the pitfalls?

One is that no documentation is available as far as I know.

> 3.  What are the benefits?

That you can avoid temporary tables or subqueries. All code is in one
query which is an advantage if you build it from VBA code.

/gustav

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From artful at rogers.com  Tue May  6 11:30:56 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 12:30:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
In-Reply-To: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A013@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>
Message-ID: <028601c313ec$dec88a40$8e01a8c0@Rock>

I don't think that works in MDBs, which I assume Stephen meant, else he
would have posted on the SQL list.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Haslett, Andrew
Sent: May 6, 2003 12:09 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


SELECT @@IDENTITY

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz]
Sent: Tuesday, 6 May 2003 12:23 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


In this thread a couple of months ago there was a solution offered to the
problem of determining the value of an ID Autonumber of a record just added.


It was stunning in its simplicity, so of course I didn't write it down  ;-( 

Can anyone help?

TIA

Stephen Bond 
Otatara, New Zealand 
( tel 03 213 1256   fax 03 213 0123 
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From artful at rogers.com  Tue May  6 11:34:44 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 12:34:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Table links using MySQL
In-Reply-To: <010601c313a7$3a2d9d80$aa4114ca@Notebook>
Message-ID: <029101c313ed$66ba7b20$8e01a8c0@Rock>

A little more info is required, Tracy. Where does the MySQL db live? On a
linux box or Windoze? If the latter, is it a server that you have to
anticipate will be down? Or is your problem that somebody might put the db
on another server? As for me, given my druthers, since I'm using MySQL
anyway I'd put it on a linux box and hook in from there (since linux hardly
ever needs to be restarted).
 
Arthur
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tracy
Sent: May 6, 2003 4:12 AM
To: Access List
Subject: [AccessD] Table links using MySQL



Hi Listers
Thought I'd ask:
If the MyODBC is set up correctly on the PC with the backend MySQL data
file, is there a need to test the connection during the opening of the
Access Frontend ?
Or would the MySQL always be accessable ?
 
If the MySQL data file isn't available - how do you go about relinking the
files to the MySQL data file ?
 
Cheers Tracy

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue May  6 11:36:27 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 18:36:27 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F07@infoserver01.infostat.local>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F07@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <15835236217.20030506183627@cactus.dk>

Hi Drew

Neither did I.

/gustav


> As I recall, the help files did NOT include anything on the [...]
> syntax.  I stumbled over that myself in 97 but never found anything in
> the help files except on regular subqueries.

> Charlotte Foust


From john at winhaven.net  Tue May  6 12:17:21 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 12:17:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B4B@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIKEANEHAA.john@winhaven.net>

Jim,
Sorry, I didn't think of this until this morning I'm thinking Office 97 but
am refferring to Outlook 98 (I don't know anyone who continued using 97 once
98 was released). Are you using 97 or 98?

With 98 you choose File | Send Using or as Charlotte mentioned, you have to
customize the menu bar.

HTH JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:30 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
>
>
> Found it thanks.  When I create a new message I don't see an
> option to choose which account is sending or a "send from" drop
> down though.  Shouldn't I or can I only read my mail on this account?
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:56 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
>
>
> You must have the ability to add an internet account. If you are
> on a corp.
> system using exchange they may not allow it.
> You can add garbage as an "internet" account and then it should show up.
> Just put in something like "test account" - "mail.test.com" for
> the incoming
> and outgoing servers and me at test.com. save it and it should be enough to
> fake it into showing you. You could use real info too of course :o)
>
> Another trick you can do to share your info but not your setup is put the
> .pst in a shared folder and use it from anywhere on your network.
> One or two
> people can get away with that.
>
> JB
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:32 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > I see (or rather I don't).  I don't have 2 accounts set up so I
> > won't see it.  How to set up the second account?  Do I use Tools
> > | Services and if so which do I choose to add a POP account?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jim DeMarco
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:53 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > In Outlook (97+) you should have a dropdown next to the send icon on the
> > toolbar of a new message - but only if you have two accounts listed.
> >
> > In Outlook Express it is an extra row above the TO: field on a new email
> > message.
> >
> > I have used Outlook to manage 6 different email accounts without
> > problems. I
> > don't use a standard sig on my messages though so each account
> has to pick
> > from the list or type it in. I customized the toolbar so the sig
> > icon is on
> > it. I still think Outlook is clunky though. If you don't have to use it
> > there are better emailers out there!
> >
> > John B.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:34 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > Pardon the interruption but is this true in O97 too?  I don't see
> > > it anywhere.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Jim DeMarco
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:24 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > Well in XP it's not quite that but basically you're dead
> right. It's not
> > > a dropdown on the Send but an Accounts dropdown right next to it. How
> > > have I managed to use this program for years and never notice
> that? Many
> > > many thanks Keith.
> > >
> > > Andy Lacey
> > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:58
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Next to the send button you should see "Accounts" with a drop
> > > > down arrow, click on the arrow and select the account being
> > > > sent from and you should now see a status message at the top
> > > > saying "This message will be sent via XYZ"
> > > >
> > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > klk at ksu.edu
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:45 PM
> > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Keith
> > > > > No I'm using full Outlook. So ok I've set up a 2nd account.
> > > > > How, when creating email, do I select which account it's from?
> > > > >
> > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:35
> > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Using Outlook for this just fine, have multiple email
> > > > accounts, can
> > > > > > select which account is being sent from by a drop down
> box.  Even
> > > > > > sending mail addressed as coming from yahoo.com via outlook even
> > > > > > though can't receive pop via free yahoo accounts (this is
> > > > used for
> > > > > > web pages trying to submit forms via email.)  So I'm not
> > > > sure where
> > > > > > the idea this can't be done via outlook is coming from,
> > > > unless you
> > > > > > are talking outlook express, and then yes, it has "issues".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:38 AM
> > > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but
> > > > > recently my
> > > > > > > wife is getting more into email and that's thrown up what
> > > > > I think is
> > > > > > > a limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to
> > > > > both use the
> > > > > > > same email client and both see all incoming mail
> > > > > (personal stuff may
> > > > > > > be to either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc,
> > > > > but when we
> > > > > > > send an email we want to be able to determine which
> of us is the
> > > > > > > Sender and therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to
> > > > > each have
> > > > > > > our own signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't
> cater for
> > > > > > > this at all well. I can set her own profile up but that
> > > > separates
> > > > > > > us too much. If a friend happens to have written to my email
> > > > > > > address themn my wife won't see it because it'll be in
> > > > my Inbox,
> > > > > > > and vice-versa. My question is: can what I'm describing
> > > > be done in
> > > > > > > another client such as Eudora?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Tue May  6 12:51:54 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 13:51:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B5C@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Now that you mention  it we use Office 97 but Outlook 2K.  I'm getting my messages from my POP account but if I hit Reply (or New) there is no Send Using command and no option in the Customize toolbar dialog that I can see.  Maybe our Admin removed (or didn't intall) it?

Thanks anyway.  I guess I'll bail on this for now.

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:17 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


Jim,
Sorry, I didn't think of this until this morning I'm thinking Office 97 but
am refferring to Outlook 98 (I don't know anyone who continued using 97 once
98 was released). Are you using 97 or 98?

With 98 you choose File | Send Using or as Charlotte mentioned, you have to
customize the menu bar.

HTH JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:30 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
>
>
> Found it thanks.  When I create a new message I don't see an
> option to choose which account is sending or a "send from" drop
> down though.  Shouldn't I or can I only read my mail on this account?
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:56 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
>
>
> You must have the ability to add an internet account. If you are
> on a corp.
> system using exchange they may not allow it.
> You can add garbage as an "internet" account and then it should show up.
> Just put in something like "test account" - "mail.test.com" for
> the incoming
> and outgoing servers and me at test.com. save it and it should be enough to
> fake it into showing you. You could use real info too of course :o)
>
> Another trick you can do to share your info but not your setup is put the
> .pst in a shared folder and use it from anywhere on your network.
> One or two
> people can get away with that.
>
> JB
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:32 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > I see (or rather I don't).  I don't have 2 accounts set up so I
> > won't see it.  How to set up the second account?  Do I use Tools
> > | Services and if so which do I choose to add a POP account?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jim DeMarco
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:53 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > In Outlook (97+) you should have a dropdown next to the send icon on the
> > toolbar of a new message - but only if you have two accounts listed.
> >
> > In Outlook Express it is an extra row above the TO: field on a new email
> > message.
> >
> > I have used Outlook to manage 6 different email accounts without
> > problems. I
> > don't use a standard sig on my messages though so each account
> has to pick
> > from the list or type it in. I customized the toolbar so the sig
> > icon is on
> > it. I still think Outlook is clunky though. If you don't have to use it
> > there are better emailers out there!
> >
> > John B.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:34 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > Pardon the interruption but is this true in O97 too?  I don't see
> > > it anywhere.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Jim DeMarco
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:24 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > Well in XP it's not quite that but basically you're dead
> right. It's not
> > > a dropdown on the Send but an Accounts dropdown right next to it. How
> > > have I managed to use this program for years and never notice
> that? Many
> > > many thanks Keith.
> > >
> > > Andy Lacey
> > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:58
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Next to the send button you should see "Accounts" with a drop
> > > > down arrow, click on the arrow and select the account being
> > > > sent from and you should now see a status message at the top
> > > > saying "This message will be sent via XYZ"
> > > >
> > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > klk at ksu.edu
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:45 PM
> > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Keith
> > > > > No I'm using full Outlook. So ok I've set up a 2nd account.
> > > > > How, when creating email, do I select which account it's from?
> > > > >
> > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:35
> > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Using Outlook for this just fine, have multiple email
> > > > accounts, can
> > > > > > select which account is being sent from by a drop down
> box.  Even
> > > > > > sending mail addressed as coming from yahoo.com via outlook even
> > > > > > though can't receive pop via free yahoo accounts (this is
> > > > used for
> > > > > > web pages trying to submit forms via email.)  So I'm not
> > > > sure where
> > > > > > the idea this can't be done via outlook is coming from,
> > > > unless you
> > > > > > are talking outlook express, and then yes, it has "issues".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:38 AM
> > > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but
> > > > > recently my
> > > > > > > wife is getting more into email and that's thrown up what
> > > > > I think is
> > > > > > > a limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to
> > > > > both use the
> > > > > > > same email client and both see all incoming mail
> > > > > (personal stuff may
> > > > > > > be to either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc,
> > > > > but when we
> > > > > > > send an email we want to be able to determine which
> of us is the
> > > > > > > Sender and therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to
> > > > > each have
> > > > > > > our own signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't
> cater for
> > > > > > > this at all well. I can set her own profile up but that
> > > > separates
> > > > > > > us too much. If a friend happens to have written to my email
> > > > > > > address themn my wife won't see it because it'll be in
> > > > my Inbox,
> > > > > > > and vice-versa. My question is: can what I'm describing
> > > > be done in
> > > > > > > another client such as Eudora?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Tue May  6 12:56:10 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 13:56:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B5D@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

You can return the new autonumber value from a record added by the ADO .AddNew command.  Might apply to DAO too but I'm not sure about that.

HTH,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 12:31 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


I don't think that works in MDBs, which I assume Stephen meant, else he
would have posted on the SQL list.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Haslett, Andrew
Sent: May 6, 2003 12:09 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


SELECT @@IDENTITY

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz]
Sent: Tuesday, 6 May 2003 12:23 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


In this thread a couple of months ago there was a solution offered to the
problem of determining the value of an ID Autonumber of a record just added.


It was stunning in its simplicity, so of course I didn't write it down  ;-( 
Can anyone help?

TIA

Stephen Bond 
Otatara, New Zealand 
( tel 03 213 1256   fax 03 213 0123 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue May  6 12:56:53 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 19:56:53 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Crosstab question
In-Reply-To: <35324.199.67.140.20.1052236661.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>
References: <01C2D1E6.28E7AC30.bob@renaissancesiding.com>
 <57717.199.67.140.20.1046894317.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>
 <1365244381.20030306094816@cactus.dk>
 <35324.199.67.140.20.1052236661.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <11040062036.20030506195653@cactus.dk>

Hi Oleg

> Hey guys, I am having trouble writing a crosstab query, what I have now, is

> FILTER  Mo1  Mo2  Mo3  Mo4-6  Mo7-12 Yr2
> aaa      1    2    2     22     11    2
> bbb      1    4    4     33     33    3
> ccc      1    1    1     11     11    1
> ddd      2    2    2      2      2    2   etc.

> I need it in this format --

> DATE aaa bbb ccc
> Mo1   1   1   1
> Mo2   2   4   1
> Mo3

> I am using crosstab querry, in row heading I put FILTER, what do I put in
> Column heading ?

You can use a union query to collect the values column by column:

SELECT
  "Mo1" AS Period, Filter,
  [Mo1] AS Amount
FROM
  tblTable
UNION SELECT
  "Mo2" AS Period, Filter,
  [Mo2] AS Amount
FROM
  tblTable
UNION SELECT
  "Mo3" AS Period, Filter,
  [Mo3] AS Amount
FROM
  tblTable
UNION SELECT
  "Mo4-6" AS Period, Filter,
  [Mo4-6] AS Amount
FROM
  tblTable
UNION SELECT
  "Mo7-12" AS Period, Filter,
  [Mo7-12] AS Amount
FROM
  tblTable
UNION SELECT
  "Yr2" AS Period, Filter,
  [Yr2] AS Amount
FROM
  tblTable;


Then feed this to a crosstab query:

TRANSFORM
  Sum(Amount)
SELECT
  Period
FROM
  qdyUnion
GROUP BY
  Period
PIVOT
  Filter;

Not a speed daemon but it works.

/gustav


From nkling at co.montgomery.ny.us  Tue May  6 13:35:19 2003
From: nkling at co.montgomery.ny.us (Neal Kling)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 14:35:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
Message-ID: <0EAA9F4906BA554FA26E6F9F2C5403022BD592@elmo.co.montgomery.ny.us>

Here is what worked for me in Outlook2K.  Open an email REPLY.  Click on
View: From Field.

Neal Kling
Lotus, isn't that some kind of fancy flower?


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:52 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


Now that you mention  it we use Office 97 but Outlook 2K.  I'm getting
my messages from my POP account but if I hit Reply (or New) there is no
Send Using command and no option in the Customize toolbar dialog that I
can see.  Maybe our Admin removed (or didn't intall) it?

Thanks anyway.  I guess I'll bail on this for now.

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:17 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


Jim,
Sorry, I didn't think of this until this morning I'm thinking Office 97
but
am refferring to Outlook 98 (I don't know anyone who continued using 97
once
98 was released). Are you using 97 or 98?

With 98 you choose File | Send Using or as Charlotte mentioned, you have
to
customize the menu bar.

HTH JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:30 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
>
>
> Found it thanks.  When I create a new message I don't see an
> option to choose which account is sending or a "send from" drop
> down though.  Shouldn't I or can I only read my mail on this account?
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:56 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
>
>
> You must have the ability to add an internet account. If you are
> on a corp.
> system using exchange they may not allow it.
> You can add garbage as an "internet" account and then it should show
up.
> Just put in something like "test account" - "mail.test.com" for
> the incoming
> and outgoing servers and me at test.com. save it and it should be enough
to
> fake it into showing you. You could use real info too of course :o)
>
> Another trick you can do to share your info but not your setup is put
the
> .pst in a shared folder and use it from anywhere on your network.
> One or two
> people can get away with that.
>
> JB
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim
DeMarco
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:32 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > I see (or rather I don't).  I don't have 2 accounts set up so I
> > won't see it.  How to set up the second account?  Do I use Tools
> > | Services and if so which do I choose to add a POP account?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jim DeMarco
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:53 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > In Outlook (97+) you should have a dropdown next to the send icon on
the
> > toolbar of a new message - but only if you have two accounts listed.
> >
> > In Outlook Express it is an extra row above the TO: field on a new
email
> > message.
> >
> > I have used Outlook to manage 6 different email accounts without
> > problems. I
> > don't use a standard sig on my messages though so each account
> has to pick
> > from the list or type it in. I customized the toolbar so the sig
> > icon is on
> > it. I still think Outlook is clunky though. If you don't have to use
it
> > there are better emailers out there!
> >
> > John B.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim
DeMarco
> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:34 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > Pardon the interruption but is this true in O97 too?  I don't see
> > > it anywhere.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Jim DeMarco
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:24 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > Well in XP it's not quite that but basically you're dead
> right. It's not
> > > a dropdown on the Send but an Accounts dropdown right next to it.
How
> > > have I managed to use this program for years and never notice
> that? Many
> > > many thanks Keith.
> > >
> > > Andy Lacey
> > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:58
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Next to the send button you should see "Accounts" with a drop
> > > > down arrow, click on the arrow and select the account being
> > > > sent from and you should now see a status message at the top
> > > > saying "This message will be sent via XYZ"
> > > >
> > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > klk at ksu.edu
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:45 PM
> > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Keith
> > > > > No I'm using full Outlook. So ok I've set up a 2nd account.
> > > > > How, when creating email, do I select which account it's from?
> > > > >
> > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:35
> > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Using Outlook for this just fine, have multiple email
> > > > accounts, can
> > > > > > select which account is being sent from by a drop down
> box.  Even
> > > > > > sending mail addressed as coming from yahoo.com via outlook
even
> > > > > > though can't receive pop via free yahoo accounts (this is
> > > > used for
> > > > > > web pages trying to submit forms via email.)  So I'm not
> > > > sure where
> > > > > > the idea this can't be done via outlook is coming from,
> > > > unless you
> > > > > > are talking outlook express, and then yes, it has "issues".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:38 AM
> > > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but
> > > > > recently my
> > > > > > > wife is getting more into email and that's thrown up what
> > > > > I think is
> > > > > > > a limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to
> > > > > both use the
> > > > > > > same email client and both see all incoming mail
> > > > > (personal stuff may
> > > > > > > be to either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc,
> > > > > but when we
> > > > > > > send an email we want to be able to determine which
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From Susan.Klos at fldoe.org  Tue May  6 13:50:21 2003
From: Susan.Klos at fldoe.org (Klos, Susan)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 14:50:21 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] FW: Query help please
Message-ID: <8213C1F49875D61195DA0002A5412A0301406EB8@mail.doe.state.fl.us>

I am breaking this into two messages as it was too long for one.
 
I have a query that will build a subreport.  I have asked about this before
but I am having to come at it from a different tack.  I feel like if I can
get the query right, I can get the subreport.
 
tblLodging
LodgingID PK
LodgingID	 Type	 DRate	 NDRate	 Ordr	
1	 Single	 $45.75	 $50.00	 1	
2	 Double	 $29.75	 $35.00	 2	
3	 Triple	 $21.34	 $25.33	 3	
4	 Quadruple	 $17.50	 $20.50	 4	
5	 Cabin	 $18.00	 $21.00	 5	
7	 Cabin/Staff	 $20.00	 $26.00	 7	
9	 R/V	 $20.50	 $20.50	 8	
10	 Tent	 $10.00	 $10.25	 9	
 
tlnklodgingEvent
 
EventID FK to tblEvent  Facility PK
EventID	 Facility	 LodgingID	 NoUnits	 Guests	 NoNights
CostPerUnit	 total	 LodgingDate	
9456	 88	 1	 1	 1	 1	 $45.75	 $45.75	 3/31/2003

9457	 89	 1	 5	 5	 1	 $45.75	 $228.75	 4/
1/2003	
9457	 90	 2	 12	 24	 1	 $29.75	 $714.00	 4/
1/2003	
9458	 94	 2	 2	 2	 1	 $29.75	 $59.50	 3/31/2003

9461	 95	 1	 8	 8	 1	 $50.00	 $400.00	 12/
9/2002	
9461	 96	 1	 9	 9	 1	 $50.00	 $450.00
12/10/2002	
9461	 97	 1	 6	 6	 1	 $50.00	 $300.00
12/11/2002	
9461	 98	 2	 11	 22	 1	 $35.00	 $770.00	 12/
9/2002	
9461	 99	 2	 11	 22	 1	 $35.00	 $770.00
12/10/2002	
9461	 100	 2	 15	 30	 1	 $35.00	 $1,050.00
12/11/2002	
9461	 101	 2	 1	 2	 1	 $35.00	 $70.00	 12/12/2002

9462	 102	 1	 13	 13	 2	 $50.00	 $1,300.00
2/11/2003	
 
I need to create a query that will for any event show all the records from
tlnklodgingEvent and all records from tblLodging that are not used in
tlnklodgingEvent
[Klos, Susan] 
Example and rest of message follows.  Please stay with me.  Thanks. 
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From Susan.Klos at fldoe.org  Tue May  6 13:51:12 2003
From: Susan.Klos at fldoe.org (Klos, Susan)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 14:51:12 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] FW: Query help please
Message-ID: <8213C1F49875D61195DA0002A5412A0301406EB9@mail.doe.state.fl.us>

Here is the second part of the message


 
 
I need to create a query that will for any event show all the records from
tlnklodgingEvent and all records from tblLodging that are not used in
tlnklodgingEvent
For example:
EventID        LodgingType        Guests        NoNights        CostPerUnit
Total        Day
9461          Single                    8                    1
$50.00           $400        Mon
9461          Single                    9                    1
$50.00           $400        Tue
9461          Single                    6                    1
$50.00           $400        Wed
9461          Double                  22                   1
$50.00           $400        Mon
9461          Double                  22                   1
$50.00           $400        Tue
9461          Double                  30                   1
$50.00           $400        Wed
9461          Double                    2                   1
$50.00           $400        Thur
This of course is easy.  The rest of the query has to look like this even
though there are no records in tlnkEvent:
I think I need the query to put in the EventID which can be gotten from
forms!frmEvent!InvoiceNo
(9461)        Triple
$21.34 or $25.33 (Depending on if is Diocesan Event or NonDiocesan Event)
(9461)        Quadruple
$17.50 or $20.50                                        "
(9461)        Cabin
$18.00 or $21.00                                        "
(9461)        Cabin/Staff
$20.00 or $26.00                                        "
(9461)        RV
$20.50 or $20.50                                        "
(9461)        Tent
$10.00 or $10.25                                        "
 
I got the following query to do this for me.  But then I found out that if
there is no lodging, the report still has to show all of the entries in
tblLodging.  Also if an event has not Singles or doubles, then singles and
doubles still have to show on the report.  This query doesn't seem to do all
that for me.
 
SELECT IIf(IsNull([EventId]),[forms]![frmevent]![invoiceno],[EventID]) AS
Invoiceno, tblLodging.LodgingID, tlnklodgingEvent.EventID, tblLodging.Type,
tblLodging.NDRate, tblLodging.DRate, tlnklodgingEvent.CostPerUnit,
IIf(IsNull([costperunit]) And
[forms]![frmEvent]![txtDiocesan]="NonDiocesan",[ndrate],IIf(IsNull([costperu
nit]) And
[forms]![frmEvent]![txtDiocesan]="Diocesan",[drate],[costperunit])) AS Rate,
Weekday([lodgingdate],1) AS LodgingDay, tlnklodgingEvent.Guests,
tlnklodgingEvent.NoNights, tlnklodgingEvent.total, tblLodging.Ordr
FROM tblLodging LEFT JOIN tlnklodgingEvent ON tblLodging.LodgingID =
tlnklodgingEvent.LodgingID;

I sure hope someone out there can help me.  TIA
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From john at winhaven.net  Tue May  6 14:09:11 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 14:09:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
In-Reply-To: <0EAA9F4906BA554FA26E6F9F2C5403022BD592@elmo.co.montgomery.ny.us>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIGEAOEHAA.john@winhaven.net>

This is too funny. I don't have that option at all on my O2K.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Neal Kling
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:35 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> 
> 
> Here is what worked for me in Outlook2K.  Open an email REPLY.  Click on
> View: From Field.
> 
> Neal Kling
> Lotus, isn't that some kind of fancy flower?
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:52 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> 
> 
> Now that you mention  it we use Office 97 but Outlook 2K.  I'm getting
> my messages from my POP account but if I hit Reply (or New) there is no
> Send Using command and no option in the Customize toolbar dialog that I
> can see.  Maybe our Admin removed (or didn't intall) it?
> 
> Thanks anyway.  I guess I'll bail on this for now.
> 
> Jim DeMarco
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:17 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> 
> 
> Jim,
> Sorry, I didn't think of this until this morning I'm thinking Office 97
> but
> am refferring to Outlook 98 (I don't know anyone who continued using 97
> once
> 98 was released). Are you using 97 or 98?
> 
> With 98 you choose File | Send Using or as Charlotte mentioned, you have
> to
> customize the menu bar.
> 
> HTH JB
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:30 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > Found it thanks.  When I create a new message I don't see an
> > option to choose which account is sending or a "send from" drop
> > down though.  Shouldn't I or can I only read my mail on this account?
> >
> > Jim DeMarco
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:56 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > You must have the ability to add an internet account. If you are
> > on a corp.
> > system using exchange they may not allow it.
> > You can add garbage as an "internet" account and then it should show
> up.
> > Just put in something like "test account" - "mail.test.com" for
> > the incoming
> > and outgoing servers and me at test.com. save it and it should be enough
> to
> > fake it into showing you. You could use real info too of course :o)
> >
> > Another trick you can do to share your info but not your setup is put
> the
> > .pst in a shared folder and use it from anywhere on your network.
> > One or two
> > people can get away with that.
> >
> > JB
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim
> DeMarco
> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:32 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > I see (or rather I don't).  I don't have 2 accounts set up so I
> > > won't see it.  How to set up the second account?  Do I use Tools
> > > | Services and if so which do I choose to add a POP account?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Jim DeMarco
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:53 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > In Outlook (97+) you should have a dropdown next to the send icon on
> the
> > > toolbar of a new message - but only if you have two accounts listed.
> > >
> > > In Outlook Express it is an extra row above the TO: field on a new
> email
> > > message.
> > >
> > > I have used Outlook to manage 6 different email accounts without
> > > problems. I
> > > don't use a standard sig on my messages though so each account
> > has to pick
> > > from the list or type it in. I customized the toolbar so the sig
> > > icon is on
> > > it. I still think Outlook is clunky though. If you don't have to use
> it
> > > there are better emailers out there!
> > >
> > > John B.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim
> DeMarco
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:34 PM
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Pardon the interruption but is this true in O97 too?  I don't see
> > > > it anywhere.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Jim DeMarco
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:24 PM
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well in XP it's not quite that but basically you're dead
> > right. It's not
> > > > a dropdown on the Send but an Accounts dropdown right next to it.
> How
> > > > have I managed to use this program for years and never notice
> > that? Many
> > > > many thanks Keith.
> > > >
> > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:58
> > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Next to the send button you should see "Accounts" with a drop
> > > > > down arrow, click on the arrow and select the account being
> > > > > sent from and you should now see a status message at the top
> > > > > saying "This message will be sent via XYZ"
> > > > >
> > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > klk at ksu.edu
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:45 PM
> > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Keith
> > > > > > No I'm using full Outlook. So ok I've set up a 2nd account.
> > > > > > How, when creating email, do I select which account it's from?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:35
> > > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Using Outlook for this just fine, have multiple email
> > > > > accounts, can
> > > > > > > select which account is being sent from by a drop down
> > box.  Even
> > > > > > > sending mail addressed as coming from yahoo.com via outlook
> even
> > > > > > > though can't receive pop via free yahoo accounts (this is
> > > > > used for
> > > > > > > web pages trying to submit forms via email.)  So I'm not
> > > > > sure where
> > > > > > > the idea this can't be done via outlook is coming from,
> > > > > unless you
> > > > > > > are talking outlook express, and then yes, it has "issues".
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:38 AM
> > > > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but
> > > > > > recently my
> > > > > > > > wife is getting more into email and that's thrown up what
> > > > > > I think is
> > > > > > > > a limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to
> > > > > > both use the
> > > > > > > > same email client and both see all incoming mail
> > > > > > (personal stuff may
> > > > > > > > be to either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc,
> > > > > > but when we
> > > > > > > > send an email we want to be able to determine which
> > of us is the
> > > > > > > > Sender and therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to
> > > > > > each have
> > > > > > > > our own signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't
> > cater for
> > > > > > > > this at all well. I can set her own profile up but that
> > > > > separates
> > > > > > > > us too much. If a friend happens to have written to my
> email
> > > > > > > > address themn my wife won't see it because it'll be in
> > > > > my Inbox,
> > > > > > > > and vice-versa. My question is: can what I'm describing
> > > > > be done in
> > > > > > > > another client such as Eudora?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ******************************************************************
> > > > *****************
> > > > "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of
> > > > the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson
> > > > Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged.  If you are
> > > > not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
> > > > disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this
> > > > message is strictly prohibited.  If you have received this
> > > > message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us
> > > > immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic
> > > > mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you
> > > > are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email
> > > > to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message.
> > > Thank You".
> > > > ******************************************************************
> > > > *****************
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> > > ******************************************************************
> > > *****************
> > > "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of
> > > the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson
> > > Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged.  If you are
> > > not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
> > > disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this
> > > message is strictly prohibited.  If you have received this
> > > message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us
> > > immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic
> > > mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you
> > > are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email
> > > to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message.
> > Thank You".
> > > ******************************************************************
> > > *****************
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> > ******************************************************************
> > *****************
> > "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of
> > the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson
> > Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged.  If you are
> > not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
> > disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this
> > message is strictly prohibited.  If you have received this
> > message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us
> > immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic
> > mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you
> > are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email
> > to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message.  Thank
> You".
> > ******************************************************************
> > *****************
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
> ************************************************************************
> ***********
> "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of the named
> recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP)
> that is confidential or privileged.  If you are not the intended
> recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying,
> distribution or use of the contents of this message is strictly
> prohibited.  If you have received this message in error or are not the
> named recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting the
> sender at the electronic mail address noted above or calling HHP at
> (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not
> forward this email to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this
> message.  Thank You".
> ************************************************************************
> ***********
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue May  6 14:28:02 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 20:28:02 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B5C@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <000001c31405$9fdc1ae0$b274d0d5@andypc>

Jim
When you have a new (or reply) email open do you not have an Accounts
option next to the Send?

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: 06 May 2003 18:52
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> 
> 
> Now that you mention  it we use Office 97 but Outlook 2K.  
> I'm getting my messages from my POP account but if I hit 
> Reply (or New) there is no Send Using command and no option 
> in the Customize toolbar dialog that I can see.  Maybe our 
> Admin removed (or didn't intall) it?
> 
> Thanks anyway.  I guess I'll bail on this for now.
> 
> Jim DeMarco
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:17 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> 
> 
> Jim,
> Sorry, I didn't think of this until this morning I'm thinking 
> Office 97 but am refferring to Outlook 98 (I don't know 
> anyone who continued using 97 once 98 was released). Are you 
> using 97 or 98?
> 
> With 98 you choose File | Send Using or as Charlotte 
> mentioned, you have to customize the menu bar.
> 
> HTH JB
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of 
> Jim DeMarco
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:30 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > Found it thanks.  When I create a new message I don't see 
> an option to 
> > choose which account is sending or a "send from" drop down though.  
> > Shouldn't I or can I only read my mail on this account?
> >
> > Jim DeMarco
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:56 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > You must have the ability to add an internet account. If 
> you are on a 
> > corp. system using exchange they may not allow it.
> > You can add garbage as an "internet" account and then it 
> should show up.
> > Just put in something like "test account" - "mail.test.com" for
> > the incoming
> > and outgoing servers and me at test.com. save it and it should 
> be enough to
> > fake it into showing you. You could use real info too of course :o)
> >
> > Another trick you can do to share your info but not your 
> setup is put 
> > the .pst in a shared folder and use it from anywhere on 
> your network. 
> > One or two people can get away with that.
> >
> > JB
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim 
> > > DeMarco
> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:32 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > I see (or rather I don't).  I don't have 2 accounts set up so I 
> > > won't see it.  How to set up the second account?  Do I use Tools
> > > | Services and if so which do I choose to add a POP account?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Jim DeMarco
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:53 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > In Outlook (97+) you should have a dropdown next to the 
> send icon on 
> > > the toolbar of a new message - but only if you have two accounts 
> > > listed.
> > >
> > > In Outlook Express it is an extra row above the TO: field 
> on a new 
> > > email message.
> > >
> > > I have used Outlook to manage 6 different email accounts without 
> > > problems. I don't use a standard sig on my messages 
> though so each 
> > > account
> > has to pick
> > > from the list or type it in. I customized the toolbar so the sig 
> > > icon is on it. I still think Outlook is clunky though. If 
> you don't 
> > > have to use it there are better emailers out there!
> > >
> > > John B.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim 
> > > > DeMarco
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:34 PM
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Pardon the interruption but is this true in O97 too?  I 
> don't see 
> > > > it anywhere.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Jim DeMarco
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:24 PM
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well in XP it's not quite that but basically you're dead
> > right. It's not
> > > > a dropdown on the Send but an Accounts dropdown right 
> next to it. 
> > > > How have I managed to use this program for years and 
> never notice
> > that? Many
> > > > many thanks Keith.
> > > >
> > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On 
> Behalf Of Keith 
> > > > > L. Kovala
> > > > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:58
> > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Next to the send button you should see "Accounts" with a drop 
> > > > > down arrow, click on the arrow and select the account 
> being sent 
> > > > > from and you should now see a status message at the 
> top saying 
> > > > > "This message will be sent via XYZ"
> > > > >
> > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > klk at ksu.edu
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:45 PM
> > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Keith
> > > > > > No I'm using full Outlook. So ok I've set up a 2nd account. 
> > > > > > How, when creating email, do I select which account 
> it's from?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On 
> Behalf Of 
> > > > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:35
> > > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Using Outlook for this just fine, have multiple email
> > > > > accounts, can
> > > > > > > select which account is being sent from by a drop down
> > box.  Even
> > > > > > > sending mail addressed as coming from yahoo.com 
> via outlook 
> > > > > > > even though can't receive pop via free yahoo 
> accounts (this 
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > used for
> > > > > > > web pages trying to submit forms via email.)  So I'm not
> > > > > sure where
> > > > > > > the idea this can't be done via outlook is coming from,
> > > > > unless you
> > > > > > > are talking outlook express, and then yes, it has 
> "issues".
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] 
> On Behalf Of
> > > > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:38 AM
> > > > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but
> > > > > > recently my
> > > > > > > > wife is getting more into email and that's 
> thrown up what
> > > > > > I think is
> > > > > > > > a limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to
> > > > > > both use the
> > > > > > > > same email client and both see all incoming mail
> > > > > > (personal stuff may
> > > > > > > > be to either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc,
> > > > > > but when we
> > > > > > > > send an email we want to be able to determine which
> > of us is the
> > > > > > > > Sender and therefore the ReplyTo address. We 
> also want to
> > > > > > each have
> > > > > > > > our own signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't
> > cater for
> > > > > > > > this at all well. I can set her own profile up but that
> > > > > separates
> > > > > > > > us too much. If a friend happens to have written to my 
> > > > > > > > email address themn my wife won't see it 
> because it'll be 
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > my Inbox,
> > > > > > > > and vice-versa. My question is: can what I'm describing
> > > > > be done in
> > > > > > > > another client such as Eudora?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> > > > > > > > Website:
> > > > > > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> > > > > > Website:
> > > > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 
> ******************************************************************
> > > > *****************
> > > > "This electronic message is intended to be for the use 
> only of the 
> > > > named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health 
> > > > Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged.  If you 
> are not the 
> > > > intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any 
> disclosure, 
> > > > copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is 
> > > > strictly prohibited.  If you have received this message 
> in error 
> > > > or are not the named recipient, please notify us immediately, 
> > > > either by contacting the sender at the electronic mail address 
> > > > noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you 
> are not the 
> > > > intended recipient, please do not forward this email to anyone, 
> > > > and delete and destroy all copies of this message.
> > > Thank You".
> > > > 
> ******************************************************************
> > > > *****************
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> > > ******************************************************************
> > > *****************
> > > "This electronic message is intended to be for the use 
> only of the 
> > > named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson 
> Health Plan 
> > > (HHP) that is confidential or privileged.  If you are not the 
> > > intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, 
> > > copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is 
> > > strictly prohibited.  If you have received this message 
> in error or 
> > > are not the named recipient, please notify us 
> immediately, either by 
> > > contacting the sender at the electronic mail address 
> noted above or 
> > > calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended 
> > > recipient, please do not forward this email to anyone, and delete 
> > > and destroy all copies of this message.
> > Thank You".
> > > ******************************************************************
> > > *****************
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> > ******************************************************************
> > *****************
> > "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of the 
> > named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson 
> Health Plan 
> > (HHP) that is confidential or privileged.  If you are not 
> the intended 
> > recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, 
> > distribution or use of the contents of this message is strictly 
> > prohibited.  If you have received this message in error or 
> are not the 
> > named recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting 
> > the sender at the electronic mail address noted above or 
> calling HHP 
> > at (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended recipient, please do 
> > not forward this email to anyone, and delete and destroy 
> all copies of 
> > this message.  Thank You".
> > ******************************************************************
> > *****************
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> Website: 
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
> 
> **************************************************************
> *********************
> "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only 
> of the named recipient, and may contain information from 
> Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged.  
> If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby 
> notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of 
> the contents of this message is strictly prohibited.  If you 
> have received this message in error or are not the named 
> recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting 
> the sender at the electronic mail address noted above or 
> calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended 
> recipient, please do not forward this email to anyone, and 
> delete and destroy all copies of this message.  Thank You".
> **************************************************************
> *********************
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> Website: 
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue May  6 14:37:25 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 20:37:25 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B07@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <000101c31406$ec2df520$b274d0d5@andypc>

Can I second that question? As you say, looking up subqueries in help
doesn't tell me. What do you mean?

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: 06 May 2003 17:30
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> 
> What's the [...] syntax?
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:19 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> 
> As I recall, the help files did NOT include anything on the 
> [...] syntax.  I stumbled over that myself in 97 but never 
> found anything in the help files except on regular subqueries.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 8:09 AM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> 
> Actually, 'in-line' queries or subqueries are described in 
> Access 97's help files.  Just look up SQL Subqueries, or just 
> subqueries.
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:12 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> 
> Hi Jim
> 
> > <Snip>
> > Those not familiar with the strange [..]. syntax may look up the
> > archives for "SQL in-line subquery" <Snip>
> 
> > Since I was (am) unfamiliar with this concept, I did look it up. I
> > have a few questions.
> 
> > 1.  Does this method run faster than a nested query?
> 
> A saved and compiled nested query may run faster. Haven't 
> done any testing though.
> 
> > 2.  What are the pitfalls?
> 
> One is that no documentation is available as far as I know.
> 
> > 3.  What are the benefits?
> 
> That you can avoid temporary tables or subqueries. All code 
> is in one query which is an advantage if you build it from VBA code.
> 
> /gustav
> 
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue May  6 14:37:25 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 20:37:25 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B04@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <000201c31406$ec697780$b274d0d5@andypc>

Sorry to disagree Drew but I think it's

rs.AddNew
rs!Myfield="Test"
etc
etc
rs.Update
rs.bookmark=rs.lastmodified
msgbox rs!MyAutoNumber
rs.close

I think you have to do the .bookmark line. Without that you're not on
the right record


Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk





> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: 06 May 2003 17:05
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> 
> 
> dim rs as recordset
> rs.AddNew
> rs.Field(1).value="Test"
> rs.Update
> msgbox rs.Field(0).value
> rs.close
> 
> 
> As soon as you update the new record, the Autonumber field is 
> populated. (in my sample code above, the ID/AN is field 0).
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:53 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> 
> 
> In this thread a couple of months ago there was a solution 
> offered to the problem of determining the value of an ID 
> Autonumber of a record just added.
> 
> 
> It was stunning in its simplicity, so of course I didn't 
> write it down  ;-( 
> 
> Can anyone help?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Stephen Bond 
> Otatara, New Zealand 
> ( tel 03 213 1256   fax 03 213 0123 
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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Tue May  6 14:40:56 2003
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 15:40:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT:Turning off Internet Access in Win2000
Message-ID: <Law14-F65O3ausqu6dQ00019ac3@hotmail.com>

Hi All,

I'm pulling my hair out trying to find a way to turn off Internet access to 
our manufacturing personnel as requested by management.  So far, I've 
determined that the option must reside in the local security settings on the 
individual machines.  Can anyone help me?



Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
www.pro-soft.net




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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Tue May  6 14:45:15 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 15:45:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B63@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

No I don't.  I got around this by opening the Options dialog and choosing "Have replies send to" and inserting my home e-mail address.  

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 3:28 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


Jim
When you have a new (or reply) email open do you not have an Accounts
option next to the Send?

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: 06 May 2003 18:52
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> 
> 
> Now that you mention  it we use Office 97 but Outlook 2K.  
> I'm getting my messages from my POP account but if I hit 
> Reply (or New) there is no Send Using command and no option 
> in the Customize toolbar dialog that I can see.  Maybe our 
> Admin removed (or didn't intall) it?
> 
> Thanks anyway.  I guess I'll bail on this for now.
> 
> Jim DeMarco
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:17 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> 
> 
> Jim,
> Sorry, I didn't think of this until this morning I'm thinking 
> Office 97 but am refferring to Outlook 98 (I don't know 
> anyone who continued using 97 once 98 was released). Are you 
> using 97 or 98?
> 
> With 98 you choose File | Send Using or as Charlotte 
> mentioned, you have to customize the menu bar.
> 
> HTH JB
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of 
> Jim DeMarco
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:30 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > Found it thanks.  When I create a new message I don't see 
> an option to 
> > choose which account is sending or a "send from" drop down though.  
> > Shouldn't I or can I only read my mail on this account?
> >
> > Jim DeMarco
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:56 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > You must have the ability to add an internet account. If 
> you are on a 
> > corp. system using exchange they may not allow it.
> > You can add garbage as an "internet" account and then it 
> should show up.
> > Just put in something like "test account" - "mail.test.com" for
> > the incoming
> > and outgoing servers and me at test.com. save it and it should 
> be enough to
> > fake it into showing you. You could use real info too of course :o)
> >
> > Another trick you can do to share your info but not your 
> setup is put 
> > the .pst in a shared folder and use it from anywhere on 
> your network. 
> > One or two people can get away with that.
> >
> > JB
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim 
> > > DeMarco
> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:32 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > I see (or rather I don't).  I don't have 2 accounts set up so I 
> > > won't see it.  How to set up the second account?  Do I use Tools
> > > | Services and if so which do I choose to add a POP account?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Jim DeMarco
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:53 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > In Outlook (97+) you should have a dropdown next to the 
> send icon on 
> > > the toolbar of a new message - but only if you have two accounts 
> > > listed.
> > >
> > > In Outlook Express it is an extra row above the TO: field 
> on a new 
> > > email message.
> > >
> > > I have used Outlook to manage 6 different email accounts without 
> > > problems. I don't use a standard sig on my messages 
> though so each 
> > > account
> > has to pick
> > > from the list or type it in. I customized the toolbar so the sig 
> > > icon is on it. I still think Outlook is clunky though. If 
> you don't 
> > > have to use it there are better emailers out there!
> > >
> > > John B.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim 
> > > > DeMarco
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:34 PM
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Pardon the interruption but is this true in O97 too?  I 
> don't see 
> > > > it anywhere.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Jim DeMarco
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:24 PM
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well in XP it's not quite that but basically you're dead
> > right. It's not
> > > > a dropdown on the Send but an Accounts dropdown right 
> next to it. 
> > > > How have I managed to use this program for years and 
> never notice
> > that? Many
> > > > many thanks Keith.
> > > >
> > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On 
> Behalf Of Keith 
> > > > > L. Kovala
> > > > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:58
> > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Next to the send button you should see "Accounts" with a drop 
> > > > > down arrow, click on the arrow and select the account 
> being sent 
> > > > > from and you should now see a status message at the 
> top saying 
> > > > > "This message will be sent via XYZ"
> > > > >
> > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > klk at ksu.edu
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:45 PM
> > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Keith
> > > > > > No I'm using full Outlook. So ok I've set up a 2nd account. 
> > > > > > How, when creating email, do I select which account 
> it's from?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On 
> Behalf Of 
> > > > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:35
> > > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Using Outlook for this just fine, have multiple email
> > > > > accounts, can
> > > > > > > select which account is being sent from by a drop down
> > box.  Even
> > > > > > > sending mail addressed as coming from yahoo.com 
> via outlook 
> > > > > > > even though can't receive pop via free yahoo 
> accounts (this 
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > used for
> > > > > > > web pages trying to submit forms via email.)  So I'm not
> > > > > sure where
> > > > > > > the idea this can't be done via outlook is coming from,
> > > > > unless you
> > > > > > > are talking outlook express, and then yes, it has 
> "issues".
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] 
> On Behalf Of
> > > > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:38 AM
> > > > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but
> > > > > > recently my
> > > > > > > > wife is getting more into email and that's 
> thrown up what
> > > > > > I think is
> > > > > > > > a limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to
> > > > > > both use the
> > > > > > > > same email client and both see all incoming mail
> > > > > > (personal stuff may
> > > > > > > > be to either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc,
> > > > > > but when we
> > > > > > > > send an email we want to be able to determine which
> > of us is the
> > > > > > > > Sender and therefore the ReplyTo address. We 
> also want to
> > > > > > each have
> > > > > > > > our own signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't
> > cater for
> > > > > > > > this at all well. I can set her own profile up but that
> > > > > separates
> > > > > > > > us too much. If a friend happens to have written to my 
> > > > > > > > email address themn my wife won't see it 
> because it'll be 
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > my Inbox,
> > > > > > > > and vice-versa. My question is: can what I'm describing
> > > > > be done in
> > > > > > > > another client such as Eudora?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > recipient, please do not forward this email to anyone, and delete 
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> > named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson 
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> > (HHP) that is confidential or privileged.  If you are not 
> the intended 
> > recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, 
> > distribution or use of the contents of this message is strictly 
> > prohibited.  If you have received this message in error or 
> are not the 
> > named recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting 
> > the sender at the electronic mail address noted above or 
> calling HHP 
> > at (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended recipient, please do 
> > not forward this email to anyone, and delete and destroy 
> all copies of 
> > this message.  Thank You".
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> >
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> *********************
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> of the named recipient, and may contain information from 
> Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged.  
> If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby 
> notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of 
> the contents of this message is strictly prohibited.  If you 
> have received this message in error or are not the named 
> recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting 
> the sender at the electronic mail address noted above or 
> calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended 
> recipient, please do not forward this email to anyone, and 
> delete and destroy all copies of this message.  Thank You".
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Tue May  6 14:46:23 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 15:46:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B64@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Thanks Neil but I get a "no permission to send from this account" error.  I just found a way in the Options dialog that works though ("Have replies sent to:" option).

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Neal Kling [mailto:nkling at co.montgomery.ny.us]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 2:35 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


Here is what worked for me in Outlook2K.  Open an email REPLY.  Click on
View: From Field.

Neal Kling
Lotus, isn't that some kind of fancy flower?


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:52 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


Now that you mention  it we use Office 97 but Outlook 2K.  I'm getting
my messages from my POP account but if I hit Reply (or New) there is no
Send Using command and no option in the Customize toolbar dialog that I
can see.  Maybe our Admin removed (or didn't intall) it?

Thanks anyway.  I guess I'll bail on this for now.

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:17 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


Jim,
Sorry, I didn't think of this until this morning I'm thinking Office 97
but
am refferring to Outlook 98 (I don't know anyone who continued using 97
once
98 was released). Are you using 97 or 98?

With 98 you choose File | Send Using or as Charlotte mentioned, you have
to
customize the menu bar.

HTH JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:30 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
>
>
> Found it thanks.  When I create a new message I don't see an
> option to choose which account is sending or a "send from" drop
> down though.  Shouldn't I or can I only read my mail on this account?
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:56 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
>
>
> You must have the ability to add an internet account. If you are
> on a corp.
> system using exchange they may not allow it.
> You can add garbage as an "internet" account and then it should show
up.
> Just put in something like "test account" - "mail.test.com" for
> the incoming
> and outgoing servers and me at test.com. save it and it should be enough
to
> fake it into showing you. You could use real info too of course :o)
>
> Another trick you can do to share your info but not your setup is put
the
> .pst in a shared folder and use it from anywhere on your network.
> One or two
> people can get away with that.
>
> JB
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim
DeMarco
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:32 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > I see (or rather I don't).  I don't have 2 accounts set up so I
> > won't see it.  How to set up the second account?  Do I use Tools
> > | Services and if so which do I choose to add a POP account?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jim DeMarco
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:53 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > In Outlook (97+) you should have a dropdown next to the send icon on
the
> > toolbar of a new message - but only if you have two accounts listed.
> >
> > In Outlook Express it is an extra row above the TO: field on a new
email
> > message.
> >
> > I have used Outlook to manage 6 different email accounts without
> > problems. I
> > don't use a standard sig on my messages though so each account
> has to pick
> > from the list or type it in. I customized the toolbar so the sig
> > icon is on
> > it. I still think Outlook is clunky though. If you don't have to use
it
> > there are better emailers out there!
> >
> > John B.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim
DeMarco
> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:34 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > Pardon the interruption but is this true in O97 too?  I don't see
> > > it anywhere.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Jim DeMarco
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:24 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > Well in XP it's not quite that but basically you're dead
> right. It's not
> > > a dropdown on the Send but an Accounts dropdown right next to it.
How
> > > have I managed to use this program for years and never notice
> that? Many
> > > many thanks Keith.
> > >
> > > Andy Lacey
> > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:58
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Next to the send button you should see "Accounts" with a drop
> > > > down arrow, click on the arrow and select the account being
> > > > sent from and you should now see a status message at the top
> > > > saying "This message will be sent via XYZ"
> > > >
> > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > klk at ksu.edu
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:45 PM
> > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Keith
> > > > > No I'm using full Outlook. So ok I've set up a 2nd account.
> > > > > How, when creating email, do I select which account it's from?
> > > > >
> > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:35
> > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Using Outlook for this just fine, have multiple email
> > > > accounts, can
> > > > > > select which account is being sent from by a drop down
> box.  Even
> > > > > > sending mail addressed as coming from yahoo.com via outlook
even
> > > > > > though can't receive pop via free yahoo accounts (this is
> > > > used for
> > > > > > web pages trying to submit forms via email.)  So I'm not
> > > > sure where
> > > > > > the idea this can't be done via outlook is coming from,
> > > > unless you
> > > > > > are talking outlook express, and then yes, it has "issues".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:38 AM
> > > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but
> > > > > recently my
> > > > > > > wife is getting more into email and that's thrown up what
> > > > > I think is
> > > > > > > a limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to
> > > > > both use the
> > > > > > > same email client and both see all incoming mail
> > > > > (personal stuff may
> > > > > > > be to either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc,
> > > > > but when we
> > > > > > > send an email we want to be able to determine which
> of us is the
> > > > > > > Sender and therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to
> > > > > each have
> > > > > > > our own signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't
> cater for
> > > > > > > this at all well. I can set her own profile up but that
> > > > separates
> > > > > > > us too much. If a friend happens to have written to my
email
> > > > > > > address themn my wife won't see it because it'll be in
> > > > my Inbox,
> > > > > > > and vice-versa. My question is: can what I'm describing
> > > > be done in
> > > > > > > another client such as Eudora?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> > > > > > > Website:
> > > > > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> > > > > Website:
> > > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
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> > > *****************
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> > > the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson
> > > Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged.  If you are
> > > not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
> > > disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this
> > > message is strictly prohibited.  If you have received this
> > > message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us
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> > > are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email
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> > "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of
> > the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson
> > Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged.  If you are
> > not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
> > disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this
> > message is strictly prohibited.  If you have received this
> > message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us
> > immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic
> > mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you
> > are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email
> > to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message.
> Thank You".
> > ******************************************************************
> > *****************
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> >
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> ******************************************************************
> *****************
> "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of
> the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson
> Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged.  If you are
> not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
> disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this
> message is strictly prohibited.  If you have received this
> message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us
> immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic
> mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you
> are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email
> to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message.  Thank
You".
> ******************************************************************
> *****************
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


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***********
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recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP)
that is confidential or privileged.  If you are not the intended
recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying,
distribution or use of the contents of this message is strictly
prohibited.  If you have received this message in error or are not the
named recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting the
sender at the electronic mail address noted above or calling HHP at
(914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not
forward this email to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this
message.  Thank You".
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***********************************************************************************
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From Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com  Tue May  6 14:54:56 2003
From: Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com (Lavsa, Rich)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 15:54:56 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
Message-ID: <833956F5C117124A89417638FDB11290EBCE55@goexchange.pghcorning.com>

To make that work without error, I think you can set up a Delegate in the
Tools|Options|Delegates(Tab) to allow others to send email on your behalf.

Rich

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 3:46 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


Thanks Neil but I get a "no permission to send from this account" error.  I
just found a way in the Options dialog that works though ("Have replies sent
to:" option).

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Neal Kling [mailto:nkling at co.montgomery.ny.us]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 2:35 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


Here is what worked for me in Outlook2K.  Open an email REPLY.  Click on
View: From Field.

Neal Kling
Lotus, isn't that some kind of fancy flower?


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:52 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


Now that you mention  it we use Office 97 but Outlook 2K.  I'm getting
my messages from my POP account but if I hit Reply (or New) there is no
Send Using command and no option in the Customize toolbar dialog that I
can see.  Maybe our Admin removed (or didn't intall) it?

Thanks anyway.  I guess I'll bail on this for now.

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:17 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


Jim,
Sorry, I didn't think of this until this morning I'm thinking Office 97
but
am refferring to Outlook 98 (I don't know anyone who continued using 97
once
98 was released). Are you using 97 or 98?

With 98 you choose File | Send Using or as Charlotte mentioned, you have
to
customize the menu bar.

HTH JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:30 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
>
>
> Found it thanks.  When I create a new message I don't see an
> option to choose which account is sending or a "send from" drop
> down though.  Shouldn't I or can I only read my mail on this account?
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:56 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
>
>
> You must have the ability to add an internet account. If you are
> on a corp.
> system using exchange they may not allow it.
> You can add garbage as an "internet" account and then it should show
up.
> Just put in something like "test account" - "mail.test.com" for
> the incoming
> and outgoing servers and me at test.com. save it and it should be enough
to
> fake it into showing you. You could use real info too of course :o)
>
> Another trick you can do to share your info but not your setup is put
the
> .pst in a shared folder and use it from anywhere on your network.
> One or two
> people can get away with that.
>
> JB
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim
DeMarco
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:32 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > I see (or rather I don't).  I don't have 2 accounts set up so I
> > won't see it.  How to set up the second account?  Do I use Tools
> > | Services and if so which do I choose to add a POP account?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jim DeMarco
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:53 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > In Outlook (97+) you should have a dropdown next to the send icon on
the
> > toolbar of a new message - but only if you have two accounts listed.
> >
> > In Outlook Express it is an extra row above the TO: field on a new
email
> > message.
> >
> > I have used Outlook to manage 6 different email accounts without
> > problems. I
> > don't use a standard sig on my messages though so each account
> has to pick
> > from the list or type it in. I customized the toolbar so the sig
> > icon is on
> > it. I still think Outlook is clunky though. If you don't have to use
it
> > there are better emailers out there!
> >
> > John B.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim
DeMarco
> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:34 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > Pardon the interruption but is this true in O97 too?  I don't see
> > > it anywhere.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Jim DeMarco
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:24 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > Well in XP it's not quite that but basically you're dead
> right. It's not
> > > a dropdown on the Send but an Accounts dropdown right next to it.
How
> > > have I managed to use this program for years and never notice
> that? Many
> > > many thanks Keith.
> > >
> > > Andy Lacey
> > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:58
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Next to the send button you should see "Accounts" with a drop
> > > > down arrow, click on the arrow and select the account being
> > > > sent from and you should now see a status message at the top
> > > > saying "This message will be sent via XYZ"
> > > >
> > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > klk at ksu.edu
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:45 PM
> > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Keith
> > > > > No I'm using full Outlook. So ok I've set up a 2nd account.
> > > > > How, when creating email, do I select which account it's from?
> > > > >
> > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:35
> > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Using Outlook for this just fine, have multiple email
> > > > accounts, can
> > > > > > select which account is being sent from by a drop down
> box.  Even
> > > > > > sending mail addressed as coming from yahoo.com via outlook
even
> > > > > > though can't receive pop via free yahoo accounts (this is
> > > > used for
> > > > > > web pages trying to submit forms via email.)  So I'm not
> > > > sure where
> > > > > > the idea this can't be done via outlook is coming from,
> > > > unless you
> > > > > > are talking outlook express, and then yes, it has "issues".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:38 AM
> > > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but
> > > > > recently my
> > > > > > > wife is getting more into email and that's thrown up what
> > > > > I think is
> > > > > > > a limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to
> > > > > both use the
> > > > > > > same email client and both see all incoming mail
> > > > > (personal stuff may
> > > > > > > be to either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc,
> > > > > but when we
> > > > > > > send an email we want to be able to determine which
> of us is the
> > > > > > > Sender and therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to
> > > > > each have
> > > > > > > our own signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't
> cater for
> > > > > > > this at all well. I can set her own profile up but that
> > > > separates
> > > > > > > us too much. If a friend happens to have written to my
email
> > > > > > > address themn my wife won't see it because it'll be in
> > > > my Inbox,
> > > > > > > and vice-versa. My question is: can what I'm describing
> > > > be done in
> > > > > > > another client such as Eudora?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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> > > "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of
> > > the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson
> > > Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged.  If you are
> > > not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
> > > disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this
> > > message is strictly prohibited.  If you have received this
> > > message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us
> > > immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic
> > > mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you
> > > are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email
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> > the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson
> > Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged.  If you are
> > not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
> > disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this
> > message is strictly prohibited.  If you have received this
> > message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us
> > immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic
> > mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you
> > are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email
> > to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message.
> Thank You".
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> the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson
> Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged.  If you are
> not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
> disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this
> message is strictly prohibited.  If you have received this
> message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us
> immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic
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> are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue May  6 14:58:02 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 21:58:02 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT:Turning off Internet Access in Win2000
In-Reply-To: <Law14-F65O3ausqu6dQ00019ac3@hotmail.com>
References: <Law14-F65O3ausqu6dQ00019ac3@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <18147331398.20030506215802@cactus.dk>

Hi Julie

I would control this on the network level by having these machines
connected through a separate router or firewall which is set for
blocking Internet traffic.

/gustav

> I'm pulling my hair out trying to find a way to turn off Internet access to
> our manufacturing personnel as requested by management.  So far, I've 
> determined that the option must reside in the local security settings on the 
> individual machines.  Can anyone help me?

> Julie Reardon-Taylor
> PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
> www.pro-soft.net


From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Tue May  6 14:59:17 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 15:59:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B65@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

I should add to this that new mail from my POP account is going into my corporate mailbox.  This is where I think the problem lies. 

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco 
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 3:46 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


Thanks Neil but I get a "no permission to send from this account" error.  I just found a way in the Options dialog that works though ("Have replies sent to:" option).

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Neal Kling [mailto:nkling at co.montgomery.ny.us]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 2:35 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


Here is what worked for me in Outlook2K.  Open an email REPLY.  Click on
View: From Field.

Neal Kling
Lotus, isn't that some kind of fancy flower?


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:52 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


Now that you mention  it we use Office 97 but Outlook 2K.  I'm getting
my messages from my POP account but if I hit Reply (or New) there is no
Send Using command and no option in the Customize toolbar dialog that I
can see.  Maybe our Admin removed (or didn't intall) it?

Thanks anyway.  I guess I'll bail on this for now.

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:17 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


Jim,
Sorry, I didn't think of this until this morning I'm thinking Office 97
but
am refferring to Outlook 98 (I don't know anyone who continued using 97
once
98 was released). Are you using 97 or 98?

With 98 you choose File | Send Using or as Charlotte mentioned, you have
to
customize the menu bar.

HTH JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:30 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
>
>
> Found it thanks.  When I create a new message I don't see an
> option to choose which account is sending or a "send from" drop
> down though.  Shouldn't I or can I only read my mail on this account?
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:56 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
>
>
> You must have the ability to add an internet account. If you are
> on a corp.
> system using exchange they may not allow it.
> You can add garbage as an "internet" account and then it should show
up.
> Just put in something like "test account" - "mail.test.com" for
> the incoming
> and outgoing servers and me at test.com. save it and it should be enough
to
> fake it into showing you. You could use real info too of course :o)
>
> Another trick you can do to share your info but not your setup is put
the
> .pst in a shared folder and use it from anywhere on your network.
> One or two
> people can get away with that.
>
> JB
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim
DeMarco
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:32 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > I see (or rather I don't).  I don't have 2 accounts set up so I
> > won't see it.  How to set up the second account?  Do I use Tools
> > | Services and if so which do I choose to add a POP account?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jim DeMarco
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:53 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > In Outlook (97+) you should have a dropdown next to the send icon on
the
> > toolbar of a new message - but only if you have two accounts listed.
> >
> > In Outlook Express it is an extra row above the TO: field on a new
email
> > message.
> >
> > I have used Outlook to manage 6 different email accounts without
> > problems. I
> > don't use a standard sig on my messages though so each account
> has to pick
> > from the list or type it in. I customized the toolbar so the sig
> > icon is on
> > it. I still think Outlook is clunky though. If you don't have to use
it
> > there are better emailers out there!
> >
> > John B.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim
DeMarco
> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:34 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > Pardon the interruption but is this true in O97 too?  I don't see
> > > it anywhere.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Jim DeMarco
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:24 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > Well in XP it's not quite that but basically you're dead
> right. It's not
> > > a dropdown on the Send but an Accounts dropdown right next to it.
How
> > > have I managed to use this program for years and never notice
> that? Many
> > > many thanks Keith.
> > >
> > > Andy Lacey
> > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:58
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Next to the send button you should see "Accounts" with a drop
> > > > down arrow, click on the arrow and select the account being
> > > > sent from and you should now see a status message at the top
> > > > saying "This message will be sent via XYZ"
> > > >
> > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > klk at ksu.edu
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:45 PM
> > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Keith
> > > > > No I'm using full Outlook. So ok I've set up a 2nd account.
> > > > > How, when creating email, do I select which account it's from?
> > > > >
> > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:35
> > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Using Outlook for this just fine, have multiple email
> > > > accounts, can
> > > > > > select which account is being sent from by a drop down
> box.  Even
> > > > > > sending mail addressed as coming from yahoo.com via outlook
even
> > > > > > though can't receive pop via free yahoo accounts (this is
> > > > used for
> > > > > > web pages trying to submit forms via email.)  So I'm not
> > > > sure where
> > > > > > the idea this can't be done via outlook is coming from,
> > > > unless you
> > > > > > are talking outlook express, and then yes, it has "issues".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:38 AM
> > > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but
> > > > > recently my
> > > > > > > wife is getting more into email and that's thrown up what
> > > > > I think is
> > > > > > > a limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to
> > > > > both use the
> > > > > > > same email client and both see all incoming mail
> > > > > (personal stuff may
> > > > > > > be to either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc,
> > > > > but when we
> > > > > > > send an email we want to be able to determine which
> of us is the
> > > > > > > Sender and therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to
> > > > > each have
> > > > > > > our own signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't
> cater for
> > > > > > > this at all well. I can set her own profile up but that
> > > > separates
> > > > > > > us too much. If a friend happens to have written to my
email
> > > > > > > address themn my wife won't see it because it'll be in
> > > > my Inbox,
> > > > > > > and vice-versa. My question is: can what I'm describing
> > > > be done in
> > > > > > > another client such as Eudora?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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> > Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged.  If you are
> > not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
> > disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this
> > message is strictly prohibited.  If you have received this
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> > are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email
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> Thank You".
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> message is strictly prohibited.  If you have received this
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> immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic
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> are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email
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You".
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Tue May  6 14:59:59 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 15:59:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B66@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Interesting.  I'll give it a try.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco



-----Original Message-----
From: Lavsa, Rich [mailto:Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 3:55 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


To make that work without error, I think you can set up a Delegate in the
Tools|Options|Delegates(Tab) to allow others to send email on your behalf.

Rich

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 3:46 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


Thanks Neil but I get a "no permission to send from this account" error.  I
just found a way in the Options dialog that works though ("Have replies sent
to:" option).

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Neal Kling [mailto:nkling at co.montgomery.ny.us]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 2:35 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


Here is what worked for me in Outlook2K.  Open an email REPLY.  Click on
View: From Field.

Neal Kling
Lotus, isn't that some kind of fancy flower?


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:52 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


Now that you mention  it we use Office 97 but Outlook 2K.  I'm getting
my messages from my POP account but if I hit Reply (or New) there is no
Send Using command and no option in the Customize toolbar dialog that I
can see.  Maybe our Admin removed (or didn't intall) it?

Thanks anyway.  I guess I'll bail on this for now.

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:17 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


Jim,
Sorry, I didn't think of this until this morning I'm thinking Office 97
but
am refferring to Outlook 98 (I don't know anyone who continued using 97
once
98 was released). Are you using 97 or 98?

With 98 you choose File | Send Using or as Charlotte mentioned, you have
to
customize the menu bar.

HTH JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:30 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
>
>
> Found it thanks.  When I create a new message I don't see an
> option to choose which account is sending or a "send from" drop
> down though.  Shouldn't I or can I only read my mail on this account?
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:56 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
>
>
> You must have the ability to add an internet account. If you are
> on a corp.
> system using exchange they may not allow it.
> You can add garbage as an "internet" account and then it should show
up.
> Just put in something like "test account" - "mail.test.com" for
> the incoming
> and outgoing servers and me at test.com. save it and it should be enough
to
> fake it into showing you. You could use real info too of course :o)
>
> Another trick you can do to share your info but not your setup is put
the
> .pst in a shared folder and use it from anywhere on your network.
> One or two
> people can get away with that.
>
> JB
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim
DeMarco
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:32 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > I see (or rather I don't).  I don't have 2 accounts set up so I
> > won't see it.  How to set up the second account?  Do I use Tools
> > | Services and if so which do I choose to add a POP account?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jim DeMarco
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:53 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > In Outlook (97+) you should have a dropdown next to the send icon on
the
> > toolbar of a new message - but only if you have two accounts listed.
> >
> > In Outlook Express it is an extra row above the TO: field on a new
email
> > message.
> >
> > I have used Outlook to manage 6 different email accounts without
> > problems. I
> > don't use a standard sig on my messages though so each account
> has to pick
> > from the list or type it in. I customized the toolbar so the sig
> > icon is on
> > it. I still think Outlook is clunky though. If you don't have to use
it
> > there are better emailers out there!
> >
> > John B.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim
DeMarco
> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:34 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > Pardon the interruption but is this true in O97 too?  I don't see
> > > it anywhere.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Jim DeMarco
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:24 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > Well in XP it's not quite that but basically you're dead
> right. It's not
> > > a dropdown on the Send but an Accounts dropdown right next to it.
How
> > > have I managed to use this program for years and never notice
> that? Many
> > > many thanks Keith.
> > >
> > > Andy Lacey
> > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:58
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Next to the send button you should see "Accounts" with a drop
> > > > down arrow, click on the arrow and select the account being
> > > > sent from and you should now see a status message at the top
> > > > saying "This message will be sent via XYZ"
> > > >
> > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > klk at ksu.edu
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:45 PM
> > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Keith
> > > > > No I'm using full Outlook. So ok I've set up a 2nd account.
> > > > > How, when creating email, do I select which account it's from?
> > > > >
> > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:35
> > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Using Outlook for this just fine, have multiple email
> > > > accounts, can
> > > > > > select which account is being sent from by a drop down
> box.  Even
> > > > > > sending mail addressed as coming from yahoo.com via outlook
even
> > > > > > though can't receive pop via free yahoo accounts (this is
> > > > used for
> > > > > > web pages trying to submit forms via email.)  So I'm not
> > > > sure where
> > > > > > the idea this can't be done via outlook is coming from,
> > > > unless you
> > > > > > are talking outlook express, and then yes, it has "issues".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:38 AM
> > > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but
> > > > > recently my
> > > > > > > wife is getting more into email and that's thrown up what
> > > > > I think is
> > > > > > > a limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to
> > > > > both use the
> > > > > > > same email client and both see all incoming mail
> > > > > (personal stuff may
> > > > > > > be to either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc,
> > > > > but when we
> > > > > > > send an email we want to be able to determine which
> of us is the
> > > > > > > Sender and therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to
> > > > > each have
> > > > > > > our own signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't
> cater for
> > > > > > > this at all well. I can set her own profile up but that
> > > > separates
> > > > > > > us too much. If a friend happens to have written to my
email
> > > > > > > address themn my wife won't see it because it'll be in
> > > > my Inbox,
> > > > > > > and vice-versa. My question is: can what I'm describing
> > > > be done in
> > > > > > > another client such as Eudora?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue May  6 15:14:29 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 22:14:29 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] FW: Query help please
In-Reply-To: <8213C1F49875D61195DA0002A5412A0301406EB9@mail.doe.state.fl.us>
References: <8213C1F49875D61195DA0002A5412A0301406EB9@mail.doe.state.fl.us>
Message-ID: <14748317867.20030506221429@cactus.dk>

Hi Susan

First, if you hadn't used html formatting the two messages could have
been sent as one ...

> ..  But then I found out that if there is no lodging, the report
> still has to show all of the entries in tblLodging.  Also if an
> event has not Singles or doubles, then singles and doubles still
> have to show on the report. .. 

Without going into details, I think what you need is two queries: one
selecting all the lodgins, one selecting those lodgings with
lodgingevents. Then, in a third query, combine these two queries with
an outer join.

/gustav


From mikedorism at ntelos.net  Tue May  6 15:33:15 2003
From: mikedorism at ntelos.net (Mike and Doris Manning)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 16:33:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
In-Reply-To: <000201c31406$ec697780$b274d0d5@andypc>
Message-ID: <001001c3140e$bc5ac9b0$83350cd8@hargrove.internal>

The best place to grab it right after the .AddNew

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 3:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


Sorry to disagree Drew but I think it's

rs.AddNew
rs!Myfield="Test"
etc
etc
rs.Update
rs.bookmark=rs.lastmodified
msgbox rs!MyAutoNumber
rs.close

I think you have to do the .bookmark line. Without that you're not on the
right record


Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk





> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: 06 May 2003 17:05
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> 
> 
> dim rs as recordset
> rs.AddNew
> rs.Field(1).value="Test"
> rs.Update
> msgbox rs.Field(0).value
> rs.close
> 
> 
> As soon as you update the new record, the Autonumber field is
> populated. (in my sample code above, the ID/AN is field 0).
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:53 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> 
> 
> In this thread a couple of months ago there was a solution
> offered to the problem of determining the value of an ID 
> Autonumber of a record just added.
> 
> 
> It was stunning in its simplicity, so of course I didn't
> write it down  ;-( 
> 
> Can anyone help?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Stephen Bond
> Otatara, New Zealand 
> ( tel 03 213 1256   fax 03 213 0123 
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Tue May  6 15:35:10 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 22:35:10 +0200 
Subject: [AccessD] OT XP strangenest
Message-ID: <104AB6116A2DD511A7580008C7097A98219771@AARDBEI>

This could be a simple basic default security setting that in NT/2K/XP pro.
A normal user has no right to install software printer etc..
This can be an deliberate thing of your IT devision.
 
The simplest way to change, add the problem user(s) to the local
administrator group.
Ofcourse you must be logged in as a local or domain administrator to do
this...
 
Erwin
 
 
 
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: AccessD [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca] 
Verzonden: zondag 21 juli 2002 6:22
Aan: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Onderwerp: Re: [AccessD] OT XP strangenest


Hi Tim:
 
Thanks for your help. Unfortunately, I got tired of waiting for the magic
bullet so I am in the process of re-installing. Anyway I am not sure any
programs would run reliably. (Most executables will freeze without any
messages.) Can not even boot off the CD as the 'NTLR' file is
missing...grrrr. It must be some kind of virus but according to McAffees and
Symantecs, no virus that matches those symptoms.
 
The next time I will keep your suggestion in mind.
 
Thanks for your help
Jim

----- Original Message ----- 
From: guitarman <mailto:guitarman at gfconsultants.com>  
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com <mailto:AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>  
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT XP strangenest

You might try to restore the computer to a previous date and time when you
know you could add programs. It's a quick fix and is under system tools I do
believe.. You don't loose any current work either.. although you may loose a
program you installed, but I'm not sure.. I know any files generated won't
be lost.. Such as docs, etc.. 
 
Hope that helps..
Tim

----- Original Message ----- 
From: AccessD <mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>  
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>  
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT XP strangenest

Hi Simon:
 
Good suggestion but I am logged on as the 'administrator'...
 
Thanks
Jim

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From: Simon  <mailto:sbryan at olmc.nsw.edu.au> Bryan 
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com <mailto:AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>  
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 6:50 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT XP strangenest

Checked security settings on the users?

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD-owner at databaseadvisors.com
<mailto:AccessD-owner at databaseadvisors.com>
[mailto:AccessD-owner at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of AccessD
Sent: Sunday, 21 July 2002 6:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
Subject: [AccessD] OT XP strangenest


OT request 
No Archive
 
Hi All:
 
This is an OT request but I am not sure who and where to ask and the group
is some of the most knowledgeable anywhere on the web.
 
I am having some weird problems on one of my XP pro computers. No programs
can be installed!
No local executables or internet programs requiring ActiveX components. 
 
As a number of individuals have been working on this system there is no way
to find out what took place; whether the situation was caused by a crashed
application, virus infection or dark MS system setting. I have traced every
program running, through the task manager, removed a number of 'spy'
programs from hard drive and registry. I have checked every run and loaded
code in the registries and there is nothing obvious.
 
HELP. Any resolutions, ideas or help sources would be greatly appreciated.
 
TIA
Jim 


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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Tue May  6 15:35:08 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 22:35:08 +0200 
Subject: [AccessD] OT XP strangenest
Message-ID: <104AB6116A2DD511A7580008C7097A98219770@AARDBEI>

Was to fast to reponse..
 
You are logged on as the administrator.
But still I can be right.
 
Is the computer in a domain, and if so, are you logged in as the DOMAIN
administrator?
 
 
 
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: AccessD [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca] 
Verzonden: zondag 21 juli 2002 6:22
Aan: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Onderwerp: Re: [AccessD] OT XP strangenest


Hi Tim:
 
Thanks for your help. Unfortunately, I got tired of waiting for the magic
bullet so I am in the process of re-installing. Anyway I am not sure any
programs would run reliably. (Most executables will freeze without any
messages.) Can not even boot off the CD as the 'NTLR' file is
missing...grrrr. It must be some kind of virus but according to McAffees and
Symantecs, no virus that matches those symptoms.
 
The next time I will keep your suggestion in mind.
 
Thanks for your help
Jim

----- Original Message ----- 
From: guitarman <mailto:guitarman at gfconsultants.com>  
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com <mailto:AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>  
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT XP strangenest

You might try to restore the computer to a previous date and time when you
know you could add programs. It's a quick fix and is under system tools I do
believe.. You don't loose any current work either.. although you may loose a
program you installed, but I'm not sure.. I know any files generated won't
be lost.. Such as docs, etc.. 
 
Hope that helps..
Tim

----- Original Message ----- 
From: AccessD <mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>  
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>  
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT XP strangenest

Hi Simon:
 
Good suggestion but I am logged on as the 'administrator'...
 
Thanks
Jim

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Simon  <mailto:sbryan at olmc.nsw.edu.au> Bryan 
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com <mailto:AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>  
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 6:50 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT XP strangenest

Checked security settings on the users?

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD-owner at databaseadvisors.com
<mailto:AccessD-owner at databaseadvisors.com>
[mailto:AccessD-owner at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of AccessD
Sent: Sunday, 21 July 2002 6:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
Subject: [AccessD] OT XP strangenest


OT request 
No Archive
 
Hi All:
 
This is an OT request but I am not sure who and where to ask and the group
is some of the most knowledgeable anywhere on the web.
 
I am having some weird problems on one of my XP pro computers. No programs
can be installed!
No local executables or internet programs requiring ActiveX components. 
 
As a number of individuals have been working on this system there is no way
to find out what took place; whether the situation was caused by a crashed
application, virus infection or dark MS system setting. I have traced every
program running, through the task manager, removed a number of 'spy'
programs from hard drive and registry. I have checked every run and loaded
code in the registries and there is nothing obvious.
 
HELP. Any resolutions, ideas or help sources would be greatly appreciated.
 
TIA
Jim 


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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Tue May  6 15:52:38 2003
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 00:52:38 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Event Sink Performance Comparison
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C322@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <004801c31411$fdec7ec0$b501010a@DAISY.local>

Charlotte,

I guess event sinking will be faster than calling forms/subforms publis
methods if in the latter case you will use:

- Me.Parent!MyParentPublicSub ....
- Me![<MySubformControl>].Form.MySubFormPublicSub ...

i.e. later binding. If you will use early binding then I expect they be
nearly the same.
In any event the difference can be neglected I think - or you call these
methods 10000 times in a cycle?

Shamil

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: "Steve White" <swhite at infostatsystems.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 7:24 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Event Sink Performance Comparison


> OK you event sinking gurus--JC, Shamil, et al--do any of you have any
> performance comparison information on using event sinks as opposed to
> using direct calls to public methods of forms and subforms?  This is not
> a framework, merely a single form with about 12 subforms, one of which
> has a public method.  My instinct is that the differences would be
> miniscule with subforms raising a single event to a parent form, which
> then calls the public method of one of its subforms, as compared to each
> of the other subforms making a direct call into  the subform with the
> public method.  Will using this technique slow the form noticeably
> because of the overhead of the event sinks?  Can anyone shed some light
> on the actual differences?  This is Access 2002 converted from 97 and
> using the 2002 file format for the front end and we're only talking
> about execution speed, not maintainability or reusability issues.
>
> Charlotte Foust
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From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Tue May  6 16:00:59 2003
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 09:00:59 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
Message-ID: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F29038A74@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>

Drew, that's the one!  Have written it down this time.  Many thanks

Stephen Bond

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 4:05 a.m.
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


dim rs as recordset
rs.AddNew
rs.Field(1).value="Test"
rs.Update
msgbox rs.Field(0).value
rs.close


As soon as you update the new record, the Autonumber field is populated.
(in my sample code above, the ID/AN is field 0).

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:53 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


In this thread a couple of months ago there was a solution offered to the
problem of determining the value of an ID Autonumber of a record just added.


It was stunning in its simplicity, so of course I didn't write it down  ;-( 

Can anyone help?

TIA

Stephen Bond 
Otatara, New Zealand 
( tel 03 213 1256   fax 03 213 0123 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue May  6 16:04:22 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 14:04:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F0D@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Since at least A97, it's been available as soon as you add the new
record and before you update it.  You can read it from the recordset
without needing any bookmarks, etc.  It's only with SQL Server that it
becomes tricky.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike and Doris Manning [mailto:mikedorism at ntelos.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 12:33 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


The best place to grab it right after the .AddNew

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 3:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


Sorry to disagree Drew but I think it's

rs.AddNew
rs!Myfield="Test"
etc
etc
rs.Update
rs.bookmark=rs.lastmodified
msgbox rs!MyAutoNumber
rs.close

I think you have to do the .bookmark line. Without that you're not on
the right record


Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk





> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: 06 May 2003 17:05
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> 
> 
> dim rs as recordset
> rs.AddNew
> rs.Field(1).value="Test"
> rs.Update
> msgbox rs.Field(0).value
> rs.close
> 
> 
> As soon as you update the new record, the Autonumber field is 
> populated. (in my sample code above, the ID/AN is field 0).
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:53 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> 
> 
> In this thread a couple of months ago there was a solution offered to 
> the problem of determining the value of an ID Autonumber of a record 
> just added.
> 
> 
> It was stunning in its simplicity, so of course I didn't write it down

> ;-(
> 
> Can anyone help?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Stephen Bond
> Otatara, New Zealand 
> ( tel 03 213 1256   fax 03 213 0123 
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue May  6 16:04:36 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 22:04:36 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
In-Reply-To: <001001c3140e$bc5ac9b0$83350cd8@hargrove.internal>
Message-ID: <000e01c31413$199a90c0$b274d0d5@andypc>

Problem if the .update fails?

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mike and Doris Manning
> Sent: 06 May 2003 21:33
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> 
> 
> The best place to grab it right after the .AddNew
> 
> Doris Manning
> Database Administrator
> Hargrove Inc.
> www.hargroveinc.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 3:37 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> 
> 
> Sorry to disagree Drew but I think it's
> 
> rs.AddNew
> rs!Myfield="Test"
> etc
> etc
> rs.Update
> rs.bookmark=rs.lastmodified
> msgbox rs!MyAutoNumber
> rs.close
> 
> I think you have to do the .bookmark line. Without that 
> you're not on the right record
> 
> 
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Drew Wutka
> > Sent: 06 May 2003 17:05
> > To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> > 
> > 
> > dim rs as recordset
> > rs.AddNew
> > rs.Field(1).value="Test"
> > rs.Update
> > msgbox rs.Field(0).value
> > rs.close
> > 
> > 
> > As soon as you update the new record, the Autonumber field is 
> > populated. (in my sample code above, the ID/AN is field 0).
> > 
> > Drew
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz]
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:53 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> > 
> > 
> > In this thread a couple of months ago there was a solution 
> offered to 
> > the problem of determining the value of an ID Autonumber of 
> a record 
> > just added.
> > 
> > 
> > It was stunning in its simplicity, so of course I didn't 
> write it down  
> > ;-(
> > 
> > Can anyone help?
> > 
> > TIA
> > 
> > Stephen Bond
> > Otatara, New Zealand 
> > ( tel 03 213 1256   fax 03 213 0123 
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
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> > 
> > 
> 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue May  6 16:25:06 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 14:25:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F0E@infoserver01.infostat.local>

You can use an in-line subquery as if it were a table or a saved query:

SELECT T1.* FROM Table1 AS T1 INNER JOIN  [SELECT DISTINCT Table2.ID 
FROM Table2]. AS T2 on  T1.ID = T2.ID;

Does that explain it?  You have to use the square brackets followed by a
period to wrap the in-line subquery.  If you ever find it in help, for
goodness sake, post the reference here! 

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:37 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


Can I second that question? As you say, looking up subqueries in help
doesn't tell me. What do you mean?

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: 06 May 2003 17:30
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> 
> What's the [...] syntax?
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:19 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> 
> As I recall, the help files did NOT include anything on the
> [...] syntax.  I stumbled over that myself in 97 but never 
> found anything in the help files except on regular subqueries.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 8:09 AM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> 
> Actually, 'in-line' queries or subqueries are described in
> Access 97's help files.  Just look up SQL Subqueries, or just 
> subqueries.
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:12 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> 
> Hi Jim
> 
> > <Snip>
> > Those not familiar with the strange [..]. syntax may look up the 
> > archives for "SQL in-line subquery" <Snip>
> 
> > Since I was (am) unfamiliar with this concept, I did look it up. I 
> > have a few questions.
> 
> > 1.  Does this method run faster than a nested query?
> 
> A saved and compiled nested query may run faster. Haven't
> done any testing though.
> 
> > 2.  What are the pitfalls?
> 
> One is that no documentation is available as far as I know.
> 
> > 3.  What are the benefits?
> 
> That you can avoid temporary tables or subqueries. All code
> is in one query which is an advantage if you build it from VBA code.
> 
> /gustav
> 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue May  6 16:27:52 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 14:27:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F0F@infoserver01.infostat.local>

No, because that autonumber will still be assigned, there just won't be
a record to attach to it.  You can't do anything with it until the
record's been saved, but you can store it in a variable for later use.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:05 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


Problem if the .update fails?

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mike and Doris Manning
> Sent: 06 May 2003 21:33
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> 
> 
> The best place to grab it right after the .AddNew
> 
> Doris Manning
> Database Administrator
> Hargrove Inc.
> www.hargroveinc.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 3:37 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> 
> 
> Sorry to disagree Drew but I think it's
> 
> rs.AddNew
> rs!Myfield="Test"
> etc
> etc
> rs.Update
> rs.bookmark=rs.lastmodified
> msgbox rs!MyAutoNumber
> rs.close
> 
> I think you have to do the .bookmark line. Without that
> you're not on the right record
> 
> 
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Drew Wutka
> > Sent: 06 May 2003 17:05
> > To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> > 
> > 
> > dim rs as recordset
> > rs.AddNew
> > rs.Field(1).value="Test"
> > rs.Update
> > msgbox rs.Field(0).value
> > rs.close
> > 
> > 
> > As soon as you update the new record, the Autonumber field is
> > populated. (in my sample code above, the ID/AN is field 0).
> > 
> > Drew
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz]
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:53 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> > 
> > 
> > In this thread a couple of months ago there was a solution
> offered to
> > the problem of determining the value of an ID Autonumber of
> a record
> > just added.
> > 
> > 
> > It was stunning in its simplicity, so of course I didn't
> write it down
> > ;-(
> > 
> > Can anyone help?
> > 
> > TIA
> > 
> > Stephen Bond
> > Otatara, New Zealand 
> > ( tel 03 213 1256   fax 03 213 0123 
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
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> > 
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From scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com  Tue May  6 16:34:55 2003
From: scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com (Steve Capistrant)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 16:34:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K Developers Toolkit
In-Reply-To: <004801c31411$fdec7ec0$b501010a@DAISY.local>
Message-ID: <MJEFLPNLACJJDBCHNLAGMEMFCCAA.scapistrant@symphonyinfo.com>

Would anyone be willing to sell their old A2K Developers Toolkit?  Not
available at any retail locations, of course.  We've got 97 and XP, but no
2000, and of course now a really specific need has cropped up.

Thanks!

Steve Capistrant
scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com
Phone: 612-333-1311
Symphony Information Services
www.symphonyinfo.com
212 3rd Ave N, Ste 404
Minneapolis, MN 55401



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue May  6 16:33:47 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 22:33:47 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F0E@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <001201c31417$2d8685e0$b274d0d5@andypc>

Got it. Thanks Charlotte. That one I'd better save.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Charlotte Foust
> Sent: 06 May 2003 22:25
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> 
> You can use an in-line subquery as if it were a table or a 
> saved query:
> 
> SELECT T1.* FROM Table1 AS T1 INNER JOIN  [SELECT DISTINCT Table2.ID 
> FROM Table2]. AS T2 on  T1.ID = T2.ID;
> 
> Does that explain it?  You have to use the square brackets 
> followed by a period to wrap the in-line subquery.  If you 
> ever find it in help, for goodness sake, post the reference here! 
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:37 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> 
> Can I second that question? As you say, looking up subqueries 
> in help doesn't tell me. What do you mean?
> 
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Drew Wutka
> > Sent: 06 May 2003 17:30
> > To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> > 
> > 
> > What's the [...] syntax?
> > 
> > Drew
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:19 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> > 
> > 
> > As I recall, the help files did NOT include anything on the [...] 
> > syntax.  I stumbled over that myself in 97 but never found 
> anything in 
> > the help files except on regular subqueries.
> > 
> > Charlotte Foust
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 8:09 AM
> > To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> > 
> > 
> > Actually, 'in-line' queries or subqueries are described in 
> Access 97's 
> > help files.  Just look up SQL Subqueries, or just subqueries.
> > 
> > Drew
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:12 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Jim
> > 
> > > <Snip>
> > > Those not familiar with the strange [..]. syntax may look up the
> > > archives for "SQL in-line subquery" <Snip>
> > 
> > > Since I was (am) unfamiliar with this concept, I did look it up. I
> > > have a few questions.
> > 
> > > 1.  Does this method run faster than a nested query?
> > 
> > A saved and compiled nested query may run faster. Haven't done any 
> > testing though.
> > 
> > > 2.  What are the pitfalls?
> > 
> > One is that no documentation is available as far as I know.
> > 
> > > 3.  What are the benefits?
> > 
> > That you can avoid temporary tables or subqueries. All code 
> is in one 
> > query which is an advantage if you build it from VBA code.
> > 
> > /gustav
> > 
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue May  6 16:35:19 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 22:35:19 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F0F@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <001301c31417$643b0a20$b274d0d5@andypc>

Ok that's two things I learned today. Must be good. Thanks again.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Charlotte Foust
> Sent: 06 May 2003 22:28
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> 
> 
> No, because that autonumber will still be assigned, there 
> just won't be a record to attach to it.  You can't do 
> anything with it until the record's been saved, but you can 
> store it in a variable for later use.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:05 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> 
> 
> Problem if the .update fails?
> 
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Mike and Doris Manning
> > Sent: 06 May 2003 21:33
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> > 
> > 
> > The best place to grab it right after the .AddNew
> > 
> > Doris Manning
> > Database Administrator
> > Hargrove Inc.
> > www.hargroveinc.com
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Andy Lacey
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 3:37 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> > 
> > 
> > Sorry to disagree Drew but I think it's
> > 
> > rs.AddNew
> > rs!Myfield="Test"
> > etc
> > etc
> > rs.Update
> > rs.bookmark=rs.lastmodified
> > msgbox rs!MyAutoNumber
> > rs.close
> > 
> > I think you have to do the .bookmark line. Without that 
> you're not on 
> > the right record
> > 
> > 
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Drew Wutka
> > > Sent: 06 May 2003 17:05
> > > To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> > > 
> > > 
> > > dim rs as recordset
> > > rs.AddNew
> > > rs.Field(1).value="Test"
> > > rs.Update
> > > msgbox rs.Field(0).value
> > > rs.close
> > > 
> > > 
> > > As soon as you update the new record, the Autonumber field is 
> > > populated. (in my sample code above, the ID/AN is field 0).
> > > 
> > > Drew
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz]
> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:53 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> > > 
> > > 
> > > In this thread a couple of months ago there was a solution
> > offered to
> > > the problem of determining the value of an ID Autonumber of
> > a record
> > > just added.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > It was stunning in its simplicity, so of course I didn't
> > write it down
> > > ;-(
> > > 
> > > Can anyone help?
> > > 
> > > TIA
> > > 
> > > Stephen Bond
> > > Otatara, New Zealand 
> > > ( tel 03 213 1256   fax 03 213 0123 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
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> > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue May  6 16:43:37 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 16:43:37 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B0D@main2.marlow.com>

Um nope....at least not in ADO, and I am 99.99999% sure it's the same in
DAO.  If you think about it, when you update a record (single update), you
are already on that record, no need to move or find it, it's there.  

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 2:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


Sorry to disagree Drew but I think it's

rs.AddNew
rs!Myfield="Test"
etc
etc
rs.Update
rs.bookmark=rs.lastmodified
msgbox rs!MyAutoNumber
rs.close

I think you have to do the .bookmark line. Without that you're not on
the right record


Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk





> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: 06 May 2003 17:05
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> 
> 
> dim rs as recordset
> rs.AddNew
> rs.Field(1).value="Test"
> rs.Update
> msgbox rs.Field(0).value
> rs.close
> 
> 
> As soon as you update the new record, the Autonumber field is 
> populated. (in my sample code above, the ID/AN is field 0).
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:53 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> 
> 
> In this thread a couple of months ago there was a solution 
> offered to the problem of determining the value of an ID 
> Autonumber of a record just added.
> 
> 
> It was stunning in its simplicity, so of course I didn't 
> write it down  ;-( 
> 
> Can anyone help?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Stephen Bond 
> Otatara, New Zealand 
> ( tel 03 213 1256   fax 03 213 0123 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue May  6 16:43:52 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 07:43:52 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT:Turning off Internet Access in Win2000
In-Reply-To: <Law14-F65O3ausqu6dQ00019ac3@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3EB8B938.13663.12AE76@localhost>

On 6 May 2003 at 15:40, Julie Reardon-Taylor wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> I'm pulling my hair out trying to find a way to turn off Internet
> access to our manufacturing personnel as requested by management.  So
> far, I've determined that the option must reside in the local security
> settings on the individual machines.  Can anyone help me?
> 
> 
What OS and is your network Workgroup or Domain based?
Do you mean by machine or by user?
How are your network addresses assigned (DHCP or fixed)?
Are you using a local Proxy Server?

If you are using fixed addresses, deleting any "Default Gateway" 
setting in their TCP/IP should stop the machine from going outside 
the local network. That's the simplest way by far.





-- 
Lexacorp Ltd
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue May  6 16:44:21 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 16:44:21 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] OT:Turning off Internet Access in Win2000
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B0E@main2.marlow.com>

Setup private IP Addresses, and go through a proxy.  Proxies can be easily
setup to allow, or disallow based on NT name or IP Address.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Julie Reardon-Taylor [mailto:prosoft6 at hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 2:41 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT:Turning off Internet Access in Win2000


Hi All,

I'm pulling my hair out trying to find a way to turn off Internet access to 
our manufacturing personnel as requested by management.  So far, I've 
determined that the option must reside in the local security settings on the

individual machines.  Can anyone help me?



Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
www.pro-soft.net




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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue May  6 16:45:39 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 16:45:39 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B0F@main2.marlow.com>

Just would have to be handled with an error handler....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 4:05 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


Problem if the .update fails?

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mike and Doris Manning
> Sent: 06 May 2003 21:33
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> 
> 
> The best place to grab it right after the .AddNew
> 
> Doris Manning
> Database Administrator
> Hargrove Inc.
> www.hargroveinc.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 3:37 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> 
> 
> Sorry to disagree Drew but I think it's
> 
> rs.AddNew
> rs!Myfield="Test"
> etc
> etc
> rs.Update
> rs.bookmark=rs.lastmodified
> msgbox rs!MyAutoNumber
> rs.close
> 
> I think you have to do the .bookmark line. Without that 
> you're not on the right record
> 
> 
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Drew Wutka
> > Sent: 06 May 2003 17:05
> > To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> > 
> > 
> > dim rs as recordset
> > rs.AddNew
> > rs.Field(1).value="Test"
> > rs.Update
> > msgbox rs.Field(0).value
> > rs.close
> > 
> > 
> > As soon as you update the new record, the Autonumber field is 
> > populated. (in my sample code above, the ID/AN is field 0).
> > 
> > Drew
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz]
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:53 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> > 
> > 
> > In this thread a couple of months ago there was a solution 
> offered to 
> > the problem of determining the value of an ID Autonumber of 
> a record 
> > just added.
> > 
> > 
> > It was stunning in its simplicity, so of course I didn't 
> write it down  
> > ;-(
> > 
> > Can anyone help?
> > 
> > TIA
> > 
> > Stephen Bond
> > Otatara, New Zealand 
> > ( tel 03 213 1256   fax 03 213 0123 
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> > Website: 
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com 
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Website: 
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> > 
> 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue May  6 16:49:35 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 16:49:35 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B10@main2.marlow.com>

Oh, I see.  The help files do show how to use them as a field or in Where
clauses....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 4:25 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


You can use an in-line subquery as if it were a table or a saved query:

SELECT T1.* FROM Table1 AS T1 INNER JOIN  [SELECT DISTINCT Table2.ID 
FROM Table2]. AS T2 on  T1.ID = T2.ID;

Does that explain it?  You have to use the square brackets followed by a
period to wrap the in-line subquery.  If you ever find it in help, for
goodness sake, post the reference here! 

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:37 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


Can I second that question? As you say, looking up subqueries in help
doesn't tell me. What do you mean?

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: 06 May 2003 17:30
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> 
> What's the [...] syntax?
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:19 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> 
> As I recall, the help files did NOT include anything on the
> [...] syntax.  I stumbled over that myself in 97 but never 
> found anything in the help files except on regular subqueries.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 8:09 AM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> 
> Actually, 'in-line' queries or subqueries are described in
> Access 97's help files.  Just look up SQL Subqueries, or just 
> subqueries.
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:12 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> 
> Hi Jim
> 
> > <Snip>
> > Those not familiar with the strange [..]. syntax may look up the 
> > archives for "SQL in-line subquery" <Snip>
> 
> > Since I was (am) unfamiliar with this concept, I did look it up. I 
> > have a few questions.
> 
> > 1.  Does this method run faster than a nested query?
> 
> A saved and compiled nested query may run faster. Haven't
> done any testing though.
> 
> > 2.  What are the pitfalls?
> 
> One is that no documentation is available as far as I know.
> 
> > 3.  What are the benefits?
> 
> That you can avoid temporary tables or subqueries. All code
> is in one query which is an advantage if you build it from VBA code.
> 
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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Tue May  6 17:42:35 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 08:12:35 +0930 
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A01C@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

Jet 4.0 supports @@Identity.  Therefore if you are inserting your record in
code using ADO then it will work fine.

Cheers,
Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 2:01 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


I don't think that works in MDBs, which I assume Stephen meant, else he
would have posted on the SQL list.

Arthur

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Haslett, Andrew
Sent: May 6, 2003 12:09 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


SELECT @@IDENTITY

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz]
Sent: Tuesday, 6 May 2003 12:23 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


In this thread a couple of months ago there was a solution offered to the
problem of determining the value of an ID Autonumber of a record just added.


It was stunning in its simplicity, so of course I didn't write it down  ;-( 

Can anyone help?

TIA

Stephen Bond 
Otatara, New Zealand 
( tel 03 213 1256   fax 03 213 0123 
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From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Tue May  6 19:12:33 2003
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 12:12:33 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
Message-ID: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F298EBA@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>

Andrew, just to complete the knowledge flowing freely here (great stuff), if I've used a SQL statement to INSERT the new record, can I use @@Identity (and how)?

Thanks
Stephen Bond 

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From: Haslett, Andrew [mailto:andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au]
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 10:43 a.m.
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


Jet 4.0 supports @@Identity.  Therefore if you are inserting your record in
code using ADO then it will work fine.

Cheers,
Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 2:01 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


I don't think that works in MDBs, which I assume Stephen meant, else he
would have posted on the SQL list.

Arthur

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Haslett, Andrew
Sent: May 6, 2003 12:09 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


SELECT @@IDENTITY

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz]
Sent: Tuesday, 6 May 2003 12:23 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


In this thread a couple of months ago there was a solution offered to the
problem of determining the value of an ID Autonumber of a record just added.


It was stunning in its simplicity, so of course I didn't write it down  ;-( 

Can anyone help?

TIA

Stephen Bond 
Otatara, New Zealand 
( tel 03 213 1256   fax 03 213 0123 
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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Tue May  6 19:58:09 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 10:28:09 +0930 
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A021@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

Sure. 

Create a table (table1) with two fields (ID: Autonumber, Field1: Text)

Paste this code into a module and away you go:

******************************************************************

Sub TestIdentity()

    Dim conn As ADODB.Connection, rs As ADODB.Recordset
    Set conn = CurrentProject.Connection

    strSQL = "INSERT INTO table1 (field1) VALUES ('SomeValue')"
    conn.Execute strSQL

    strSQL = "SELECT @@Identity"
    Set rs = conn.Execute(strSQL)

    intID = rs.Fields.Item(0).Value

    Debug.Print intID
    
    rs.Close
    conn.Close

End Sub

******************************************************************

Cheers,
Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz]
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 9:43 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


Andrew, just to complete the knowledge flowing freely here (great stuff), if
I've used a SQL statement to INSERT the new record, can I use @@Identity
(and how)?

Thanks
Stephen Bond 

-----Original Message-----
From: Haslett, Andrew [mailto:andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au]
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 10:43 a.m.
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


Jet 4.0 supports @@Identity.  Therefore if you are inserting your record in
code using ADO then it will work fine.

Cheers,
Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 2:01 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


I don't think that works in MDBs, which I assume Stephen meant, else he
would have posted on the SQL list.

Arthur

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Haslett, Andrew
Sent: May 6, 2003 12:09 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


SELECT @@IDENTITY

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz]
Sent: Tuesday, 6 May 2003 12:23 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


In this thread a couple of months ago there was a solution offered to the
problem of determining the value of an ID Autonumber of a record just added.


It was stunning in its simplicity, so of course I didn't write it down  ;-( 

Can anyone help?

TIA

Stephen Bond 
Otatara, New Zealand 
( tel 03 213 1256   fax 03 213 0123 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue May  6 22:07:45 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 20:07:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT:Turning off Internet Access in Win2000
In-Reply-To: <Law14-F65O3ausqu6dQ00019ac3@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFKENHCHAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Julie:

You have to do it all at the Windows2000 server end, in the IIS, hopefully
5.x. This is where you can create sites, re-direct, set access privileges
etc.. etc.

The main module that does all the setting is called Computer Management. In
there you set up the users, add to users to name groups, set their
privileges, the local Users and Groups section then on to the Internet
Informations Services, where you set up sites and virtual sites and if those
sites are to be accessed from the web, back to the DNS section, your server
and the Forward looking Zones. In the Forward looking Zones is where you
setup your sub web directories. Example: http://julie.pro-soft.net or
http://managers.pro-soft.net.

There can be dozens of site created each with their own rights and
privileges. If you are not hosting your own domain then you have to add an
entry for each sub web directory at the ISP Domain host like 'julie' and
'managers'. If you are only doing internal stuff (intranet) the previous
sentence can be ignored.

There, as you might imagine is a whole bunch of little pieces but this
should get you started.

HTH
Jim



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Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 12:41 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT:Turning off Internet Access in Win2000


Hi All,

I'm pulling my hair out trying to find a way to turn off Internet access to
our manufacturing personnel as requested by management.  So far, I've
determined that the option must reside in the local security settings on the
individual machines.  Can anyone help me?



Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
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From david.powell at bbm.wapl.com.au  Wed May  7 00:10:31 2003
From: david.powell at bbm.wapl.com.au (Powell, David (BBM))
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 13:10:31 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] 
	Accessing individual cell information from excel with an ADO
	connection
Message-ID: <1C66E1A38F4E22499CE329884E3FA8B10207F138@WAPLMAIL.wapl.com.au>

Hi,

I am trying to collate relevant data which is entered into a vast number
of excel spreadsheets into one centralised access database.  Can someone
please point me in  the right direction on how to reference a cell to
copy to a table field.


TIA

> David
> 
> 


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed May  7 00:30:55 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 00:30:55 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD]  Accessing individual cell information from excel w
	ith an ADO connection
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B11@main2.marlow.com>

Select `MyCellsTitle`
>From `Sheet1$`

That SQL will open a recordset with only one row.  (Of course the row needs
to have a header titled MyCellsTitle (whatever is in the first row).

To open a ADO connection object for an excel spreadsheet:

With cnnExcel
    .Provider = "Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
    .Properties("Extended Properties") = "Excel 8.0"
End With
cnnExcel.Open strPath

-----Original Message-----
From: Powell, David (BBM)
To: AccessD
Sent: 5/7/03 12:10 AM
Subject: [AccessD]  Accessing individual cell information from excel with an
ADO connection

Hi, 

I am trying to collate relevant data which is entered into a vast number
of excel spreadsheets into one centralised access database.  Can someone
please point me in  the right direction on how to reference a cell to
copy to a table field.


TIA 

David 




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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed May  7 01:15:57 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 07:15:57 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B0D@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <001901c31460$1fe4a540$b274d0d5@andypc>

Just tried it Drew. I ran your code to add a third record to an existing
table and the msgbox reported the contents of the first record not the
new one. Do you get something different? This is A97.

Andy Lacey
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: 06 May 2003 22:44
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> 
> 
> Um nope....at least not in ADO, and I am 99.99999% sure it's 
> the same in DAO.  If you think about it, when you update a 
> record (single update), you are already on that record, no 
> need to move or find it, it's there.  
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 2:37 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> 
> 
> Sorry to disagree Drew but I think it's
> 
> rs.AddNew
> rs!Myfield="Test"
> etc
> etc
> rs.Update
> rs.bookmark=rs.lastmodified
> msgbox rs!MyAutoNumber
> rs.close
> 
> I think you have to do the .bookmark line. Without that 
> you're not on the right record
> 
> 
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Drew Wutka
> > Sent: 06 May 2003 17:05
> > To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> > 
> > 
> > dim rs as recordset
> > rs.AddNew
> > rs.Field(1).value="Test"
> > rs.Update
> > msgbox rs.Field(0).value
> > rs.close
> > 
> > 
> > As soon as you update the new record, the Autonumber field is
> > populated. (in my sample code above, the ID/AN is field 0).
> > 
> > Drew
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz]
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:53 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> > 
> > 
> > In this thread a couple of months ago there was a solution
> > offered to the problem of determining the value of an ID 
> > Autonumber of a record just added.
> > 
> > 
> > It was stunning in its simplicity, so of course I didn't
> > write it down  ;-( 
> > 
> > Can anyone help?
> > 
> > TIA
> > 
> > Stephen Bond
> > Otatara, New Zealand 
> > ( tel 03 213 1256   fax 03 213 0123 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed May  7 02:50:31 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 09:50:31 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F0E@infoserver01.infostat.local>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F0E@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <1782187054.20030507095031@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

> ..  If you ever find it in help, for goodness sake, post the
> reference here! 

I would say: if you ever find any reference to this, post it here.

/gustav


From david.powell at bbm.wapl.com.au  Wed May  7 03:00:29 2003
From: david.powell at bbm.wapl.com.au (Powell, David (BBM))
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 16:00:29 +0800
Subject: [AccessD]  Accessing individual cell information from excel with
	an ADO connection
Message-ID: <1C66E1A38F4E22499CE329884E3FA8B1406B99@WAPLMAIL.wapl.com.au>

Thanks Drew for the VERY quick reply.  Just one problem though.  The SQL
part doesn't work.  This is how I have set up my code thus far:

  Dim cnn As New ADODB.Connection
  Dim rs As ADODB.Recordset
  With cnn
    .Provider = "Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
    .Properties("Extended Properties") = "Excel 8.0"
    .Open "C:\MyPath\MyXLSpreadsheet.xls"
  End With
  Set rs = New ADODB.Recordset
  rs.Open "SELECT MyCellTitle From MAY03", cnn, adOpenDynamic,
adLockOptimistic

If I add a $ to the end of MAY03 in the select statement as suggested, I
get an error "syntax error in FROM clause"  If I remove the $ I get an
error "The Microsoft Jet database engine could not find the object
'MAY03'

I have successfully connected to another spreadsheet and succeeded, but
created a new spreadsheet from scratch and have the same results as the
first one.  Any idea why I can't connect to this spreadsheet?


Regards

David


-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 1:31 PM
To: 'AccessD '
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Accessing individual cell information from excel
with an ADO connection


Select `MyCellsTitle`
>From `Sheet1$`

That SQL will open a recordset with only one row.  (Of course the row
needs to have a header titled MyCellsTitle (whatever is in the first
row).

To open a ADO connection object for an excel spreadsheet:

With cnnExcel
    .Provider = "Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
    .Properties("Extended Properties") = "Excel 8.0"
End With
cnnExcel.Open strPath

-----Original Message-----
From: Powell, David (BBM)
To: AccessD
Sent: 5/7/03 12:10 AM
Subject: [AccessD]  Accessing individual cell information from excel
with an ADO connection

Hi, 

I am trying to collate relevant data which is entered into a vast number
of excel spreadsheets into one centralised access database.  Can someone
please point me in  the right direction on how to reference a cell to
copy to a table field.


TIA 

David 




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From tracy at ak.planet.gen.nz  Wed May  7 03:21:30 2003
From: tracy at ak.planet.gen.nz (Tracy)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 20:21:30 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Table links using MySQL
References: <029101c313ed$66ba7b20$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <007401c31471$aa6c7380$8c4114ca@Notebook>

MessageHi Arthur
The datafile will be a Windoze box (running XP Pro).
My concern is that for some reason the data file isn't accessable - then how can you deal with it at the Program file end (if the back end was an Access mdb - i'd just test the linked table, then go into a relinker routine if the link failed)  - what can you do with a MySQL backend ?

Cheers Tracy

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Arthur Fuller 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 4:34 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Table links using MySQL


  A little more info is required, Tracy. Where does the MySQL db live? On a linux box or Windoze? If the latter, is it a server that you have to anticipate will be down? Or is your problem that somebody might put the db on another server? As for me, given my druthers, since I'm using MySQL anyway I'd put it on a linux box and hook in from there (since linux hardly ever needs to be restarted).

  Arthur
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  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tracy
  Sent: May 6, 2003 4:12 AM
  To: Access List
  Subject: [AccessD] Table links using MySQL


    Hi Listers
    Thought I'd ask:
    If the MyODBC is set up correctly on the PC with the backend MySQL data file, is there a need to test the connection during the opening of the Access Frontend ?
    Or would the MySQL always be accessable ?

    If the MySQL data file isn't available - how do you go about relinking the files to the MySQL data file ?

    Cheers Tracy


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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Wed May  7 03:54:26 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 18:24:26 +0930 
Subject: [AccessD]  Accessing individual cell information from excel w
	ith an ADO connection
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A032@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

Is it the same version as the old one (ie. Excel 8.0) ???

Cheers,
A

-----Original Message-----
From: Powell, David (BBM) [mailto:david.powell at bbm.wapl.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 5:30 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Accessing individual cell information from excel
with an ADO connection


Thanks Drew for the VERY quick reply.  Just one problem though.  The SQL
part doesn't work.  This is how I have set up my code thus far:

  Dim cnn As New ADODB.Connection
  Dim rs As ADODB.Recordset
  With cnn
    .Provider = "Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
    .Properties("Extended Properties") = "Excel 8.0"
    .Open "C:\MyPath\MyXLSpreadsheet.xls"
  End With
  Set rs = New ADODB.Recordset
  rs.Open "SELECT MyCellTitle From MAY03", cnn, adOpenDynamic,
adLockOptimistic

If I add a $ to the end of MAY03 in the select statement as suggested, I
get an error "syntax error in FROM clause"  If I remove the $ I get an
error "The Microsoft Jet database engine could not find the object
'MAY03'

I have successfully connected to another spreadsheet and succeeded, but
created a new spreadsheet from scratch and have the same results as the
first one.  Any idea why I can't connect to this spreadsheet?


Regards

David


-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 1:31 PM
To: 'AccessD '
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Accessing individual cell information from excel
with an ADO connection


Select `MyCellsTitle`
>From `Sheet1$`

That SQL will open a recordset with only one row.  (Of course the row
needs to have a header titled MyCellsTitle (whatever is in the first
row).

To open a ADO connection object for an excel spreadsheet:

With cnnExcel
    .Provider = "Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
    .Properties("Extended Properties") = "Excel 8.0"
End With
cnnExcel.Open strPath

-----Original Message-----
From: Powell, David (BBM)
To: AccessD
Sent: 5/7/03 12:10 AM
Subject: [AccessD]  Accessing individual cell information from excel
with an ADO connection

Hi, 

I am trying to collate relevant data which is entered into a vast number
of excel spreadsheets into one centralised access database.  Can someone
please point me in  the right direction on how to reference a cell to
copy to a table field.


TIA 

David 




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From MarkH at bitgen.co.uk  Wed May  7 03:58:21 2003
From: MarkH at bitgen.co.uk (Mark H)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 09:58:21 +0100
Subject: [AccessD]  Accessing individual cell information from excel
	withan ADO connection
In-Reply-To: <1C66E1A38F4E22499CE329884E3FA8B1406B99@WAPLMAIL.wapl.com.au>
Message-ID: <000a01c31476$cf814d80$950d6bd5@netboxxp>

You need to use the connections connection string, not the connection
itself


	rs.Open "SELECT MyCellTitle From MAY03", cnn.connectionstring,
adOpenDynamic, adLockOptimistic

I think :o)

mark


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Powell, David
(BBM)
Sent: 07 May 2003 09:00
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Accessing individual cell information from excel
withan ADO connection


Thanks Drew for the VERY quick reply.  Just one problem though.  The SQL
part doesn't work.  This is how I have set up my code thus far:

  Dim cnn As New ADODB.Connection
  Dim rs As ADODB.Recordset
  With cnn
    .Provider = "Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
    .Properties("Extended Properties") = "Excel 8.0"
    .Open "C:\MyPath\MyXLSpreadsheet.xls"
  End With
  Set rs = New ADODB.Recordset
  rs.Open "SELECT MyCellTitle From MAY03", cnn, adOpenDynamic,
adLockOptimistic

If I add a $ to the end of MAY03 in the select statement as suggested, I
get an error "syntax error in FROM clause"  If I remove the $ I get an
error "The Microsoft Jet database engine could not find the object
'MAY03'

I have successfully connected to another spreadsheet and succeeded, but
created a new spreadsheet from scratch and have the same results as the
first one.  Any idea why I can't connect to this spreadsheet?


Regards

David


-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 1:31 PM
To: 'AccessD '
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Accessing individual cell information from excel
with an ADO connection


Select `MyCellsTitle`
>From `Sheet1$`

That SQL will open a recordset with only one row.  (Of course the row
needs to have a header titled MyCellsTitle (whatever is in the first
row).

To open a ADO connection object for an excel spreadsheet:

With cnnExcel
    .Provider = "Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
    .Properties("Extended Properties") = "Excel 8.0"
End With
cnnExcel.Open strPath

-----Original Message-----
From: Powell, David (BBM)
To: AccessD
Sent: 5/7/03 12:10 AM
Subject: [AccessD]  Accessing individual cell information from excel
with an ADO connection

Hi, 

I am trying to collate relevant data which is entered into a vast number
of excel spreadsheets into one centralised access database.  Can someone
please point me in  the right direction on how to reference a cell to
copy to a table field.


TIA 

David 




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From Susan.Klos at fldoe.org  Wed May  7 07:30:51 2003
From: Susan.Klos at fldoe.org (Klos, Susan)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 08:30:51 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] FW: Query help please
Message-ID: <8213C1F49875D61195DA0002A5412A0301406EBC@mail.doe.state.fl.us>

Gustav, sorry, I didn't know about the html thing.  
What you suggested isn't working either.  What happens is that as soon as an
entry is made in tlnkLodgingEvent under any eventId, that seems to knock out
the corresponding record from tblLodging.  i.e. There are records for
Singles and doubles for various events.  Now when I do the outer join query
and want to see all records from an event that only has singles, I get the
singles from tlnklodgingevent, and all records from tblLodging except
doubles.  

I thought about trying to add invoiceno:[forms]![frmEvent]![InvoiceNo] to
the tblLodging query, but when I run it I get a square in the field instead
of the invoice number.

I feel I have to put invoice number on the records that do not have eventids
for the particular event so all lodging types will show up on the subreport.
Maybe I am putting the invoice number on the records at the wrong time.  

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 4:14 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Query help please


Hi Susan

First, if you hadn't used html formatting the two messages could have
been sent as one ...

> ..  But then I found out that if there is no lodging, the report
> still has to show all of the entries in tblLodging.  Also if an
> event has not Singles or doubles, then singles and doubles still
> have to show on the report. .. 

Without going into details, I think what you need is two queries: one
selecting all the lodgins, one selecting those lodgings with
lodgingevents. Then, in a third query, combine these two queries with
an outer join.

/gustav

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From nkling at co.montgomery.ny.us  Wed May  7 07:29:46 2003
From: nkling at co.montgomery.ny.us (Neal Kling)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 08:29:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT:Turning off Internet Access in Win2000
Message-ID: <0EAA9F4906BA554FA26E6F9F2C540302025684@elmo.co.montgomery.ny.us>

As others have pointed out the best way to do this would be with a proxy
server.  However, if you don't have one I found this other way to do it
locally on the machines.

http://searchwin2000.techtarget.com/tip/1,289483,sid1_gci778764,00.html

Neal Kling


-----Original Message-----
From: Julie Reardon-Taylor [mailto:prosoft6 at hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 3:41 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT:Turning off Internet Access in Win2000


Hi All,

I'm pulling my hair out trying to find a way to turn off Internet access
to 
our manufacturing personnel as requested by management.  So far, I've 
determined that the option must reside in the local security settings on
the 
individual machines.  Can anyone help me?



Julie Reardon-Taylor
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Wed May  7 07:40:04 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 08:40:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD]  Accessing individual cell information from excel
    withan ADO connection
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B6B@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

David,

Wrap the sheet name in square brackets ([ ]) and you probably will have to suffix the "$" as well.  I tried it without these and got the same error.  Added them and I got a record count back from my Excel sheet.

See M$KB 278973 for more http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;278973

HTH,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: Powell, David (BBM) [mailto:david.powell at bbm.wapl.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 4:00 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Accessing individual cell information from excel
withan ADO connection


Thanks Drew for the VERY quick reply.  Just one problem though.  The SQL
part doesn't work.  This is how I have set up my code thus far:

  Dim cnn As New ADODB.Connection
  Dim rs As ADODB.Recordset
  With cnn
    .Provider = "Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
    .Properties("Extended Properties") = "Excel 8.0"
    .Open "C:\MyPath\MyXLSpreadsheet.xls"
  End With
  Set rs = New ADODB.Recordset
  rs.Open "SELECT MyCellTitle From MAY03", cnn, adOpenDynamic,
adLockOptimistic

If I add a $ to the end of MAY03 in the select statement as suggested, I
get an error "syntax error in FROM clause"  If I remove the $ I get an
error "The Microsoft Jet database engine could not find the object
'MAY03'

I have successfully connected to another spreadsheet and succeeded, but
created a new spreadsheet from scratch and have the same results as the
first one.  Any idea why I can't connect to this spreadsheet?


Regards

David


-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 1:31 PM
To: 'AccessD '
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Accessing individual cell information from excel
with an ADO connection


Select `MyCellsTitle`
>From `Sheet1$`

That SQL will open a recordset with only one row.  (Of course the row
needs to have a header titled MyCellsTitle (whatever is in the first
row).

To open a ADO connection object for an excel spreadsheet:

With cnnExcel
    .Provider = "Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
    .Properties("Extended Properties") = "Excel 8.0"
End With
cnnExcel.Open strPath

-----Original Message-----
From: Powell, David (BBM)
To: AccessD
Sent: 5/7/03 12:10 AM
Subject: [AccessD]  Accessing individual cell information from excel
with an ADO connection

Hi, 

I am trying to collate relevant data which is entered into a vast number
of excel spreadsheets into one centralised access database.  Can someone
please point me in  the right direction on how to reference a cell to
copy to a table field.


TIA 

David 




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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed May  7 07:47:17 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 08:47:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Creating a new asp project in .net
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEMIDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I am trying to set up a new .asp project in .net.  The docs state that IIS
has to be running on the local machine, but they also imply that you can
somehow make this happen running on a server on another machine.  I have IIS
running on my server machine, and am trying to get the project to understand
a directory on that machine as the project directory.  I am getting an error
message that:

"Unable to create directory... blah blah... The unc share
\\C2DbServer\D2DbWeb\ does not exist or you do not have access to it."

It in fact does exist.  One of the docs says that the administrator and the
system have to have full permissions on that dir, so I specifically went in
and set it up such that they did.  Still no joy.

If anyone has done this before, can you pipe up and tell me what I may be
doing wrong.  Again, I want to create an ASP project, using Visual Studio
.net running on my development machine, with the project located in a
directory on my server, and controlled by IIS running on my server.

Thanks,

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From artful at rogers.com  Wed May  7 07:52:48 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 08:52:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Table links using MySQL
In-Reply-To: <007401c31471$aa6c7380$8c4114ca@Notebook>
Message-ID: <035801c31497$903e3900$8e01a8c0@Rock>

I don't know. I'll do some experiments this morning and get back to you.
 
Arthur

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tracy
Sent: May 7, 2003 4:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Table links using MySQL


Hi Arthur
The datafile will be a Windoze box (running XP Pro).
My concern is that for some reason the data file isn't accessable - then how
can you deal with it at the Program file end (if the back end was an Access
mdb - i'd just test the linked table, then go into a relinker routine if the
link failed)  - what can you do with a MySQL backend ?
 
Cheers Tracy
 

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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Wed May  7 07:55:34 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 08:55:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] RE: [dba-VB] OT: Creating a new asp project in .net
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B6C@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

John,

No good news here but I want to tell you I was getting the same error when I tried to create a new ASP.NET app (or web service) on my office PC running IIS locally.  Then one day we had a consultant in who knows .NET and I was showing him my problem and miraculously it created the ASP.NET application!  I know this does not help you but I had this problem for months and I cannot tell you what made it go away.  I installed VS.NET on two systems previous to this and did not encounter this situation until I put it on a box where I really needed it.

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 8:47 AM
To: VBA; AccessD
Subject: [dba-VB] OT: Creating a new asp project in .net


I am trying to set up a new .asp project in .net.  The docs state that IIS
has to be running on the local machine, but they also imply that you can
somehow make this happen running on a server on another machine.  I have IIS
running on my server machine, and am trying to get the project to understand
a directory on that machine as the project directory.  I am getting an error
message that:

"Unable to create directory... blah blah... The unc share
\\C2DbServer\D2DbWeb\ does not exist or you do not have access to it."

It in fact does exist.  One of the docs says that the administrator and the
system have to have full permissions on that dir, so I specifically went in
and set it up such that they did.  Still no joy.

If anyone has done this before, can you pipe up and tell me what I may be
doing wrong.  Again, I want to create an ASP project, using Visual Studio
.net running on my development machine, with the project located in a
directory on my server, and controlled by IIS running on my server.

Thanks,

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed May  7 08:23:44 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 09:23:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Creating a new asp project in .net
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEMIDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEMKDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Well, I installed iis on my workstation and the asp project just created
with no problem.  I still need to know how to do so on a remote server (an
IIS server on my network).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 8:47 AM
To: VBA; AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Creating a new asp project in .net


I am trying to set up a new .asp project in .net.  The docs state that IIS
has to be running on the local machine, but they also imply that you can
somehow make this happen running on a server on another machine.  I have IIS
running on my server machine, and am trying to get the project to understand
a directory on that machine as the project directory.  I am getting an error
message that:

"Unable to create directory... blah blah... The unc share
\\C2DbServer\D2DbWeb\ does not exist or you do not have access to it."

It in fact does exist.  One of the docs says that the administrator and the
system have to have full permissions on that dir, so I specifically went in
and set it up such that they did.  Still no joy.

If anyone has done this before, can you pipe up and tell me what I may be
doing wrong.  Again, I want to create an ASP project, using Visual Studio
.net running on my development machine, with the project located in a
directory on my server, and controlled by IIS running on my server.

Thanks,

John W. Colby
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed May  7 09:20:08 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 09:20:08 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B13@main2.marlow.com>

You are right.  DAO is different.  How odd.  Easy to fix though....just move
the check to before the update:

Dim rs As Recordset
Set rs = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset("tblTest", dbOpenTable)
rs.AddNew
rs.Fields(1).Value = "Testing"
MsgBox rs.Fields(0).Value
rs.Update
rs.Close

That shows the Autonumber.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:16 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


Just tried it Drew. I ran your code to add a third record to an existing
table and the msgbox reported the contents of the first record not the
new one. Do you get something different? This is A97.

Andy Lacey
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: 06 May 2003 22:44
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> 
> 
> Um nope....at least not in ADO, and I am 99.99999% sure it's 
> the same in DAO.  If you think about it, when you update a 
> record (single update), you are already on that record, no 
> need to move or find it, it's there.  
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 2:37 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> 
> 
> Sorry to disagree Drew but I think it's
> 
> rs.AddNew
> rs!Myfield="Test"
> etc
> etc
> rs.Update
> rs.bookmark=rs.lastmodified
> msgbox rs!MyAutoNumber
> rs.close
> 
> I think you have to do the .bookmark line. Without that 
> you're not on the right record
> 
> 
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Drew Wutka
> > Sent: 06 May 2003 17:05
> > To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> > 
> > 
> > dim rs as recordset
> > rs.AddNew
> > rs.Field(1).value="Test"
> > rs.Update
> > msgbox rs.Field(0).value
> > rs.close
> > 
> > 
> > As soon as you update the new record, the Autonumber field is
> > populated. (in my sample code above, the ID/AN is field 0).
> > 
> > Drew
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz]
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:53 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> > 
> > 
> > In this thread a couple of months ago there was a solution
> > offered to the problem of determining the value of an ID 
> > Autonumber of a record just added.
> > 
> > 
> > It was stunning in its simplicity, so of course I didn't
> > write it down  ;-( 
> > 
> > Can anyone help?
> > 
> > TIA
> > 
> > Stephen Bond
> > Otatara, New Zealand 
> > ( tel 03 213 1256   fax 03 213 0123 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed May  7 09:22:27 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 09:22:27 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD]  Accessing individual cell information from excel w
	ith an ADO connection
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B14@main2.marlow.com>

Yes, my example had the fields and tables wrapped in `'s  (Note, that is the
character underneath the tilde on most keyboards.  Personally, when I began
using ADO with Excel, I cheated.  I used VB 6.0's Data Environment to create
a connection to an Excel spreadsheet, then I used it's query builder to make
the SQL I wanted.

I know it's cheating, but it works! <VBG>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Powell, David (BBM) [mailto:david.powell at bbm.wapl.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 3:00 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Accessing individual cell information from excel
with an ADO connection


Thanks Drew for the VERY quick reply.  Just one problem though.  The SQL
part doesn't work.  This is how I have set up my code thus far:

  Dim cnn As New ADODB.Connection
  Dim rs As ADODB.Recordset
  With cnn
    .Provider = "Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
    .Properties("Extended Properties") = "Excel 8.0"
    .Open "C:\MyPath\MyXLSpreadsheet.xls"
  End With
  Set rs = New ADODB.Recordset
  rs.Open "SELECT MyCellTitle From MAY03", cnn, adOpenDynamic,
adLockOptimistic

If I add a $ to the end of MAY03 in the select statement as suggested, I
get an error "syntax error in FROM clause"  If I remove the $ I get an
error "The Microsoft Jet database engine could not find the object
'MAY03'

I have successfully connected to another spreadsheet and succeeded, but
created a new spreadsheet from scratch and have the same results as the
first one.  Any idea why I can't connect to this spreadsheet?


Regards

David


-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 1:31 PM
To: 'AccessD '
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Accessing individual cell information from excel
with an ADO connection


Select `MyCellsTitle`
>From `Sheet1$`

That SQL will open a recordset with only one row.  (Of course the row
needs to have a header titled MyCellsTitle (whatever is in the first
row).

To open a ADO connection object for an excel spreadsheet:

With cnnExcel
    .Provider = "Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
    .Properties("Extended Properties") = "Excel 8.0"
End With
cnnExcel.Open strPath

-----Original Message-----
From: Powell, David (BBM)
To: AccessD
Sent: 5/7/03 12:10 AM
Subject: [AccessD]  Accessing individual cell information from excel
with an ADO connection

Hi, 

I am trying to collate relevant data which is entered into a vast number
of excel spreadsheets into one centralised access database.  Can someone
please point me in  the right direction on how to reference a cell to
copy to a table field.


TIA 

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed May  7 09:25:40 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 09:25:40 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Creating a new asp project in .net
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B15@main2.marlow.com>

I have never used Visual Studio .net, but it sounds like a reference
problem.....a UNC reference.  If you go to the server with the share, can
you use that UNC to open it's folder.

Just out of curiousity, where is the reference to that UNC.  Is it in your
ASP code, or is it an internal Marker?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 8:24 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Creating a new asp project in .net


Well, I installed iis on my workstation and the asp project just created
with no problem.  I still need to know how to do so on a remote server (an
IIS server on my network).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 8:47 AM
To: VBA; AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Creating a new asp project in .net


I am trying to set up a new .asp project in .net.  The docs state that IIS
has to be running on the local machine, but they also imply that you can
somehow make this happen running on a server on another machine.  I have IIS
running on my server machine, and am trying to get the project to understand
a directory on that machine as the project directory.  I am getting an error
message that:

"Unable to create directory... blah blah... The unc share
\\C2DbServer\D2DbWeb\ does not exist or you do not have access to it."

It in fact does exist.  One of the docs says that the administrator and the
system have to have full permissions on that dir, so I specifically went in
and set it up such that they did.  Still no joy.

If anyone has done this before, can you pipe up and tell me what I may be
doing wrong.  Again, I want to create an ASP project, using Visual Studio
.net running on my development machine, with the project located in a
directory on my server, and controlled by IIS running on my server.

Thanks,

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed May  7 09:39:25 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 07:39:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] RE: OT A message to Reuben
In-Reply-To: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A005@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFKENNCHAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Reuben:

I sent you an email about two or three days ago and the message finally came
back saying that it could not be delivered...time out. Your mail system is
either down or full or you service does not support simple messages larger
than 1K.

Please respond off-line.

Jim


From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Wed May  7 09:45:28 2003
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 10:45:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT:Turning off Internet Access in Win2000
Message-ID: <Law14-F7006zPpPku0400003455@hotmail.com>

Thank you to Gustav, Stuart, Drew, Jim, and Neal.  I will look at the 
different options and let you know what I come up with.

I hadused Win 2000 security to deny access to the iexplore.exe file and 
thought that would block it, however, the users just went into "my computer" 
and clicked on "Search" on the toolbar.  The software immediately launched 
and allowed them access to all of the web, even though they could not launch 
iexplorer from the icon,Word, excel, etc.  Interesting!



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From pnl1 at psu.edu  Wed May  7 10:01:35 2003
From: pnl1 at psu.edu (Paul Liadis)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 11:01:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Creating a new asp project in .net
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEMKDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEMIDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030507105741.0480bad0@mail.psu.edu>

John,
I have run into this problem as well.  I have been able to get it to work 
somewhat.  I don't have time now to research what I did to fix the problem, 
but Microsoft has some good MSDN TV Episodes regarding this issue.  Here is 
a link:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdntv/episode.aspx?xml=episodes/en/20030306VSNETOK/manifest.xml

I hope this helps you.  Let me know, if not, and I will research what I did 
to get around the problem.

===============================================
Paul Liadis
Senior Applications Programmer/Analyst
University Budget Office
Pennsylvania State University


At 09:23 AM 5/7/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>Well, I installed iis on my workstation and the asp project just created
>with no problem.  I still need to know how to do so on a remote server (an
>IIS server on my network).
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
>Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 8:47 AM
>To: VBA; AccessD
>Subject: [AccessD] OT: Creating a new asp project in .net
>
>
>I am trying to set up a new .asp project in .net.  The docs state that IIS
>has to be running on the local machine, but they also imply that you can
>somehow make this happen running on a server on another machine.  I have IIS
>running on my server machine, and am trying to get the project to understand
>a directory on that machine as the project directory.  I am getting an error
>message that:
>
>"Unable to create directory... blah blah... The unc share
>\\C2DbServer\D2DbWeb\ does not exist or you do not have access to it."
>
>It in fact does exist.  One of the docs says that the administrator and the
>system have to have full permissions on that dir, so I specifically went in
>and set it up such that they did.  Still no joy.
>
>If anyone has done this before, can you pipe up and tell me what I may be
>doing wrong.  Again, I want to create an ASP project, using Visual Studio
>.net running on my development machine, with the project located in a
>directory on my server, and controlled by IIS running on my server.
>
>Thanks,
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed May  7 10:18:44 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 08:18:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Creating a new asp project in .net
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEMKDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3EB923D4.7030801@shaw.ca>

I had a problem like this on a university .net course , I took last 
year. The net admins had installed vs.net and net frameworks first, 
before installing IIS. IIS must be installed first at least on Win2000.
You can run .net locally but cannot expose to the internet if you do the 
wrong way round. Maybe there is MSKB note on this by now. Just a SWAG.

John Colby wrote:

>Well, I installed iis on my workstation and the asp project just created
>with no problem.  I still need to know how to do so on a remote server (an
>IIS server on my network).
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
>Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 8:47 AM
>To: VBA; AccessD
>Subject: [AccessD] OT: Creating a new asp project in .net
>
>
>I am trying to set up a new .asp project in .net.  The docs state that IIS
>has to be running on the local machine, but they also imply that you can
>somehow make this happen running on a server on another machine.  I have IIS
>running on my server machine, and am trying to get the project to understand
>a directory on that machine as the project directory.  I am getting an error
>message that:
>
>"Unable to create directory... blah blah... The unc share
>\\C2DbServer\D2DbWeb\ does not exist or you do not have access to it."
>
>It in fact does exist.  One of the docs says that the administrator and the
>system have to have full permissions on that dir, so I specifically went in
>and set it up such that they did.  Still no joy.
>
>If anyone has done this before, can you pipe up and tell me what I may be
>doing wrong.  Again, I want to create an ASP project, using Visual Studio
>.net running on my development machine, with the project located in a
>directory on my server, and controlled by IIS running on my server.
>
>Thanks,
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
>  
>



From delliker at hotmail.com  Wed May  7 10:33:33 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 11:33:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
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From sgsax at ksu.edu  Wed May  7 10:44:20 2003
From: sgsax at ksu.edu (Seth Galitzer)
Date: 07 May 2003 10:44:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
Message-ID: <1052322260.750.13.camel@sgsax-th4022c>

Greetings,

I've got an app that needs to run on A2K and A97.  I've got some code
that uses user-defined enumerated types and some WithEvents
declarations, neither of which are supported by A97.  Is there a way to
conditionally compile the code depending on the Access version?  I know
you can use conditional statements, but I don't know if they can be used
in this way.  Right now, I'm supporting two versions of the app, one for
each version of Access, but it's making updating a real pain.  I'd also
like to be able to create conditions based on the Windows version.  I
imagine both are similar, if they are even possible.

Any info and samples would be appreciated.

Seth

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Dept. of Plant Pathology
Kansas State University


From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Wed May  7 10:46:25 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 11:46:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B73@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

If it's VB code issues do you have VB 6.0 available?  I compile routines that won't work in A97 into an ActiveX DLL. Then it doesn't matter which Access version because the code runs in the DLL not Access.  Of course this is another file to distribute with your app.

HTH,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: Seth Galitzer [mailto:sgsax at ksu.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:44 AM
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling


Greetings,

I've got an app that needs to run on A2K and A97.  I've got some code
that uses user-defined enumerated types and some WithEvents
declarations, neither of which are supported by A97.  Is there a way to
conditionally compile the code depending on the Access version?  I know
you can use conditional statements, but I don't know if they can be used
in this way.  Right now, I'm supporting two versions of the app, one for
each version of Access, but it's making updating a real pain.  I'd also
like to be able to create conditions based on the Windows version.  I
imagine both are similar, if they are even possible.

Any info and samples would be appreciated.

Seth

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Kansas State University

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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Wed May  7 10:49:55 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 10:49:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357C1@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Seth,

John Colby's  e-mail of 05/05 titled "Late binding Withevents" shows how
to do conditional compiling.  One of the properties of Access gives the
version number; however, I do not recall the name of that property.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Seth Galitzer [mailto:sgsax at ksu.edu] 
Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 10:44
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling

Greetings,

I've got an app that needs to run on A2K and A97.  I've got some code
that uses user-defined enumerated types and some WithEvents
declarations, neither of which are supported by A97.  Is there a way to
conditionally compile the code depending on the Access version?  I know
you can use conditional statements, but I don't know if they can be used
in this way.  Right now, I'm supporting two versions of the app, one for
each version of Access, but it's making updating a real pain.  I'd also
like to be able to create conditions based on the Windows version.  I
imagine both are similar, if they are even possible.

Any info and samples would be appreciated.

Seth

-- 
Seth Galitzer			sgsax at ksu.edu
Computing Specialist		http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax
Dept. of Plant Pathology
Kansas State University

From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Wed May  7 11:07:10 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 12:07:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B76@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Actually IIRC, per his post you cannot late bind WithEvents.

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us]
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:50 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling


Seth,

John Colby's  e-mail of 05/05 titled "Late binding Withevents" shows how
to do conditional compiling.  One of the properties of Access gives the
version number; however, I do not recall the name of that property.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Seth Galitzer [mailto:sgsax at ksu.edu] 
Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 10:44
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling

Greetings,

I've got an app that needs to run on A2K and A97.  I've got some code
that uses user-defined enumerated types and some WithEvents
declarations, neither of which are supported by A97.  Is there a way to
conditionally compile the code depending on the Access version?  I know
you can use conditional statements, but I don't know if they can be used
in this way.  Right now, I'm supporting two versions of the app, one for
each version of Access, but it's making updating a real pain.  I'd also
like to be able to create conditions based on the Windows version.  I
imagine both are similar, if they are even possible.

Any info and samples would be appreciated.

Seth

-- 
Seth Galitzer			sgsax at ksu.edu
Computing Specialist		http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax
Dept. of Plant Pathology
Kansas State University
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May  7 11:13:27 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 09:13:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F11@infoserver01.infostat.local>

It's the Version property of the database object that returns the major
Jet engine version for the specified database file
' Access 97 = 3.0
' Access 2000/2002 = 4.0

    Dim strVersion As String
    Dim dbs As DAO.Database
    Dim wsp As DAO.Workspace
    
   On Error GoTo GetDBVersion_Err
   
    Set wsp = DBEngine.CreateWorkspace("Version")
    Set dbs = wsp.OpenDatabase(strFileName)
    
    strVersion = dbs.Version

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 7:50 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling


Seth,

John Colby's  e-mail of 05/05 titled "Late binding Withevents" shows how
to do conditional compiling.  One of the properties of Access gives the
version number; however, I do not recall the name of that property.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Seth Galitzer [mailto:sgsax at ksu.edu] 
Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 10:44
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling

Greetings,

I've got an app that needs to run on A2K and A97.  I've got some code
that uses user-defined enumerated types and some WithEvents
declarations, neither of which are supported by A97.  Is there a way to
conditionally compile the code depending on the Access version?  I know
you can use conditional statements, but I don't know if they can be used
in this way.  Right now, I'm supporting two versions of the app, one for
each version of Access, but it's making updating a real pain.  I'd also
like to be able to create conditions based on the Windows version.  I
imagine both are similar, if they are even possible.

Any info and samples would be appreciated.

Seth

-- 
Seth Galitzer			sgsax at ksu.edu
Computing Specialist		http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax
Dept. of Plant Pathology
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May  7 11:15:55 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 09:15:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F12@infoserver01.infostat.local>

But, Gustav, we just created references to it here! <VBG>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:51 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


Hi Charlotte

> ..  If you ever find it in help, for goodness sake, post the reference

> here!

I would say: if you ever find any reference to this, post it here.

/gustav

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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Wed May  7 11:45:03 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 11:45:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357C2@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Also, about a year ago this subject was brought up with about the same
amount of information documented.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 11:16
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery

But, Gustav, we just created references to it here! <VBG>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:51 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


Hi Charlotte

> ..  If you ever find it in help, for goodness sake, post the reference

> here!

I would say: if you ever find any reference to this, post it here.

/gustav

From rfv at entelix.com  Wed May  7 11:47:36 2003
From: rfv at entelix.com (Rudolf F. Vanek)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 11:47:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 
Message-ID: <000001c314b8$611cc800$0900a8c0@LapRFV>

Hi,

 

Just received the Office 2003 Beta Kit

 

I have Access 2000 and XP installed on my PC.

 

Has anybody experienced problems installing Office 2003?

 

Thanks

Rudolf F. Vanek

 

 


 


 

 

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From mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com  Wed May  7 12:50:32 2003
From: mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com (Mark Whittinghill)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 11:50:32 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
Message-ID: <002401c314c1$27cc7420$0400000a@PASCAL>

Hi all,

  Recently my computer died due to power source failure, though I was able
to recover files later.  I was due to upgrade my computer here anyway, so I
now have a new computer with Windows XP, the old one was Windows 2000.  We
have yet to do any work in Access 2002.  Some of our clients use that, but
we just send Access 2000 versions.

  I never used to have problems with Access 2000, though I have read many
posts from people who had.  Now that I have Windows XP,  I am having crashes
all the time, with the "Send Error Report"  dialog box.  Twice in the last
couple weeks I have had things get corrupted so bad that I just had to
restore my file from an earlier version and flush my work for the day down
the toilet.  Based on what I am hearing of Access 2002, I am thinking that I
should just upgrade to that, even though I work in 2000 file format.  Are
there any downsides to doing that?  Thanks for any advice.

Mark Whittinghill
Symphony Information Services
612-333-1311
mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com


From sgsax at ksu.edu  Wed May  7 12:13:37 2003
From: sgsax at ksu.edu (Seth Galitzer)
Date: 07 May 2003 12:13:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
In-Reply-To: 	<E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F11@infoserver01.infostat.local>
References: 	<E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F11@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <1052327617.554.94.camel@sgsax-th4022c>

Interestingly, the Version property returns 3.0 in an A95 mdb as well.

Just FYI.

Seth

On Wed, 2003-05-07 at 11:13, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> It's the Version property of the database object that returns the major
> Jet engine version for the specified database file
> ' Access 97 = 3.0
> ' Access 2000/2002 = 4.0
> 
>     Dim strVersion As String
>     Dim dbs As DAO.Database
>     Dim wsp As DAO.Workspace
>     
>    On Error GoTo GetDBVersion_Err
>    
>     Set wsp = DBEngine.CreateWorkspace("Version")
>     Set dbs = wsp.OpenDatabase(strFileName)
>     
>     strVersion = dbs.Version
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 7:50 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
> 
> 
> Seth,
> 
> John Colby's  e-mail of 05/05 titled "Late binding Withevents" shows how
> to do conditional compiling.  One of the properties of Access gives the
> version number; however, I do not recall the name of that property.
> 
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Seth Galitzer [mailto:sgsax at ksu.edu] 
> Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 10:44
> To: accessd
> Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> I've got an app that needs to run on A2K and A97.  I've got some code
> that uses user-defined enumerated types and some WithEvents
> declarations, neither of which are supported by A97.  Is there a way to
> conditionally compile the code depending on the Access version?  I know
> you can use conditional statements, but I don't know if they can be used
> in this way.  Right now, I'm supporting two versions of the app, one for
> each version of Access, but it's making updating a real pain.  I'd also
> like to be able to create conditions based on the Windows version.  I
> imagine both are similar, if they are even possible.
> 
> Any info and samples would be appreciated.
> 
> Seth
> 
> -- 
> Seth Galitzer			sgsax at ksu.edu
> Computing Specialist		http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax
> Dept. of Plant Pathology
> Kansas State University _______________________________________________
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-- 
Seth Galitzer			sgsax at ksu.edu
Computing Specialist		http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax
Dept. of Plant Pathology
Kansas State University


From sgsax at ksu.edu  Wed May  7 12:14:06 2003
From: sgsax at ksu.edu (Seth Galitzer)
Date: 07 May 2003 12:14:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B73@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B73@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <1052327647.554.96.camel@sgsax-th4022c>

Jim,

I like this idea.  I'll take a look at this later this week.

Thanks.

Seth

On Wed, 2003-05-07 at 10:46, Jim DeMarco wrote:
> If it's VB code issues do you have VB 6.0 available?  I compile routines that won't work in A97 into an ActiveX DLL. Then it doesn't matter which Access version because the code runs in the DLL not Access.  Of course this is another file to distribute with your app.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Jim DeMarco
> Director of Product Development
> HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan
> 
> 
-- 
Seth Galitzer			sgsax at ksu.edu
Computing Specialist		http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax
Dept. of Plant Pathology
Kansas State University


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed May  7 12:16:51 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 13:16:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B76@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMENFDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

That's correct, you can't late bind OBJECTS that you are sinking events for.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:07 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling


Actually IIRC, per his post you cannot late bind WithEvents.

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us]
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:50 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling


Seth,

John Colby's  e-mail of 05/05 titled "Late binding Withevents" shows how
to do conditional compiling.  One of the properties of Access gives the
version number; however, I do not recall the name of that property.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Seth Galitzer [mailto:sgsax at ksu.edu]
Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 10:44
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling

Greetings,

I've got an app that needs to run on A2K and A97.  I've got some code
that uses user-defined enumerated types and some WithEvents
declarations, neither of which are supported by A97.  Is there a way to
conditionally compile the code depending on the Access version?  I know
you can use conditional statements, but I don't know if they can be used
in this way.  Right now, I'm supporting two versions of the app, one for
each version of Access, but it's making updating a real pain.  I'd also
like to be able to create conditions based on the Windows version.  I
imagine both are similar, if they are even possible.

Any info and samples would be appreciated.

Seth

--
Seth Galitzer			sgsax at ksu.edu
Computing Specialist		http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax
Dept. of Plant Pathology
Kansas State University
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From nancy.lytle at auatac.com  Wed May  7 12:24:03 2003
From: nancy.lytle at auatac.com (Nancy Lytle)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 13:24:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] 
In-Reply-To: <000001c314b8$611cc800$0900a8c0@LapRFV>
Message-ID: <OPEHJDCMPKDOHDELKBPHMEHADLAA.nancy.lytle@auatac.com>

I have Office XP on a Windows 2003 Beta 2 and just installed Office 2003
beta along with the Office XP and I have had no trouble with it except for
Outlook 2003 throws an error everytime I exit.  I love what the new Outlook
does, but I am tiring of the Send Error Report messages.
  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rudolf F. Vanek
  Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:48 PM
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: [AccessD]


  Hi,



  Just received the Office 2003 Beta Kit



  I have Access 2000 and XP installed on my PC.



  Has anybody experienced problems installing Office 2003?



  Thanks

  Rudolf F. Vanek











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From sgsax at ksu.edu  Wed May  7 12:27:19 2003
From: sgsax at ksu.edu (Seth Galitzer)
Date: 07 May 2003 12:27:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMENFDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMENFDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <1052328439.750.100.camel@sgsax-th4022c>

Here's the binding code:

Dim WithEvents cWinsock As CSocket

And CSocket is another class module in this mdb.  There are no other
WithEvents declarations in the code anywhere.  So is this still no good?

Seth

On Wed, 2003-05-07 at 12:16, John Colby wrote:
> That's correct, you can't late bind OBJECTS that you are sinking events for.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:07 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
> 
> 
> Actually IIRC, per his post you cannot late bind WithEvents.
> 
> Jim DeMarco
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:50 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
> 
> 
> Seth,
> 
> John Colby's  e-mail of 05/05 titled "Late binding Withevents" shows how
> to do conditional compiling.  One of the properties of Access gives the
> version number; however, I do not recall the name of that property.
> 
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Seth Galitzer [mailto:sgsax at ksu.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 10:44
> To: accessd
> Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> I've got an app that needs to run on A2K and A97.  I've got some code
> that uses user-defined enumerated types and some WithEvents
> declarations, neither of which are supported by A97.  Is there a way to
> conditionally compile the code depending on the Access version?  I know
> you can use conditional statements, but I don't know if they can be used
> in this way.  Right now, I'm supporting two versions of the app, one for
> each version of Access, but it's making updating a real pain.  I'd also
> like to be able to create conditions based on the Windows version.  I
> imagine both are similar, if they are even possible.
> 
> Any info and samples would be appreciated.
> 
> Seth
> 
> --
> Seth Galitzer			sgsax at ksu.edu
> Computing Specialist		http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax
> Dept. of Plant Pathology
> Kansas State University
> _______________________________________________
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> 
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Dept. of Plant Pathology
Kansas State University


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed May  7 12:29:01 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 12:29:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
In-Reply-To: <002401c314c1$27cc7420$0400000a@PASCAL>
Message-ID: <002601c314be$29e178d0$de1811d8@DanWaters>

Mark,

There is a recognized bug in AXP that prevents decompiling an mdb.  However,
if you set the mdb format to A2K when you develop in AXP, you will still be
able to decompile.  You can choose A2K to be the Default File Format in
Tools | Options - Advanced before creating a new database.  

Other than that, I am pretty satisfied with AXP.  I've had an occasional
crash, but nothing I would consider a problem.  I am, however, an avid
control-s guy!

Dan Waters
Quality Process Solutions


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Whittinghill
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:51 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K


Hi all,

  Recently my computer died due to power source failure, though I was able
to recover files later.  I was due to upgrade my computer here anyway, so I
now have a new computer with Windows XP, the old one was Windows 2000.  We
have yet to do any work in Access 2002.  Some of our clients use that, but
we just send Access 2000 versions.

  I never used to have problems with Access 2000, though I have read many
posts from people who had.  Now that I have Windows XP,  I am having crashes
all the time, with the "Send Error Report"  dialog box.  Twice in the last
couple weeks I have had things get corrupted so bad that I just had to
restore my file from an earlier version and flush my work for the day down
the toilet.  Based on what I am hearing of Access 2002, I am thinking that I
should just upgrade to that, even though I work in 2000 file format.  Are
there any downsides to doing that?  Thanks for any advice.

Mark Whittinghill
Symphony Information Services
612-333-1311
mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed May  7 12:40:14 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 13:40:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
In-Reply-To: <1052328439.750.100.camel@sgsax-th4022c>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMENGDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Seth,

You can conditional compile it:

#const Access2K True
#if Access2k then
Dim WithEvents cWinsock As CSocket
#else
Dim cWinsock As CSocket
#endif

The problem is that you can't sink the events if the else case is executed.
However..

I could swear that Withevents keyword was supported and sinking of events
was allowed in A97.  I thought RaiseEvent was there but didn't do anything.
I have no clue re enumeration.

And finally, even if you do this, you have to "comment out" entire sections
of code using the compiler constants and then that code doesn't function
anymore.  Compile errors if you have calls to code "commented out" etc.  I
don't know what you have in mind but it sounds like it could be a mess.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Seth Galitzer
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:27 PM
To: accessd
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling


Here's the binding code:

Dim WithEvents cWinsock As CSocket

And CSocket is another class module in this mdb.  There are no other
WithEvents declarations in the code anywhere.  So is this still no good?

Seth

On Wed, 2003-05-07 at 12:16, John Colby wrote:
> That's correct, you can't late bind OBJECTS that you are sinking events
for.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:07 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
>
>
> Actually IIRC, per his post you cannot late bind WithEvents.
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:50 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
>
>
> Seth,
>
> John Colby's  e-mail of 05/05 titled "Late binding Withevents" shows how
> to do conditional compiling.  One of the properties of Access gives the
> version number; however, I do not recall the name of that property.
>
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Seth Galitzer [mailto:sgsax at ksu.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 10:44
> To: accessd
> Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
>
> Greetings,
>
> I've got an app that needs to run on A2K and A97.  I've got some code
> that uses user-defined enumerated types and some WithEvents
> declarations, neither of which are supported by A97.  Is there a way to
> conditionally compile the code depending on the Access version?  I know
> you can use conditional statements, but I don't know if they can be used
> in this way.  Right now, I'm supporting two versions of the app, one for
> each version of Access, but it's making updating a real pain.  I'd also
> like to be able to create conditions based on the Windows version.  I
> imagine both are similar, if they are even possible.
>
> Any info and samples would be appreciated.
>
> Seth
>
> --
> Seth Galitzer			sgsax at ksu.edu
> Computing Specialist		http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax
> Dept. of Plant Pathology
> Kansas State University
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>
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> hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Wed May  7 12:47:41 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 13:47:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B7E@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

John,

AFAIK WithEvents, RaiseEvent are not supported in A97.  Enums are definitely not supported.  I tried to use the first two after reading an old post of yours but no luck.

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:40 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling


Seth,

You can conditional compile it:

#const Access2K True
#if Access2k then
Dim WithEvents cWinsock As CSocket
#else
Dim cWinsock As CSocket
#endif

The problem is that you can't sink the events if the else case is executed.
However..

I could swear that Withevents keyword was supported and sinking of events
was allowed in A97.  I thought RaiseEvent was there but didn't do anything.
I have no clue re enumeration.

And finally, even if you do this, you have to "comment out" entire sections
of code using the compiler constants and then that code doesn't function
anymore.  Compile errors if you have calls to code "commented out" etc.  I
don't know what you have in mind but it sounds like it could be a mess.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Seth Galitzer
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:27 PM
To: accessd
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling


Here's the binding code:

Dim WithEvents cWinsock As CSocket

And CSocket is another class module in this mdb.  There are no other
WithEvents declarations in the code anywhere.  So is this still no good?

Seth

On Wed, 2003-05-07 at 12:16, John Colby wrote:
> That's correct, you can't late bind OBJECTS that you are sinking events
for.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:07 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
>
>
> Actually IIRC, per his post you cannot late bind WithEvents.
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:50 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
>
>
> Seth,
>
> John Colby's  e-mail of 05/05 titled "Late binding Withevents" shows how
> to do conditional compiling.  One of the properties of Access gives the
> version number; however, I do not recall the name of that property.
>
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Seth Galitzer [mailto:sgsax at ksu.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 10:44
> To: accessd
> Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
>
> Greetings,
>
> I've got an app that needs to run on A2K and A97.  I've got some code
> that uses user-defined enumerated types and some WithEvents
> declarations, neither of which are supported by A97.  Is there a way to
> conditionally compile the code depending on the Access version?  I know
> you can use conditional statements, but I don't know if they can be used
> in this way.  Right now, I'm supporting two versions of the app, one for
> each version of Access, but it's making updating a real pain.  I'd also
> like to be able to create conditions based on the Windows version.  I
> imagine both are similar, if they are even possible.
>
> Any info and samples would be appreciated.
>
> Seth
>
> --
> Seth Galitzer			sgsax at ksu.edu
> Computing Specialist		http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax
> Dept. of Plant Pathology
> Kansas State University
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>
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From Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK  Wed May  7 12:41:11 2003
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK (Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 18:41:11 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD]
In-Reply-To: <000001c314b8$611cc800$0900a8c0@LapRFV>
References: <000001c314b8$611cc800$0900a8c0@LapRFV>
Message-ID: <1052329271.3eb94537a191e@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

Make sure you get the beta SP for Jet as well.

Martin


Quoting "Rudolf F. Vanek" <rfv at entelix.com>:

> Hi,
> 
>  
> 
> Just received the Office 2003 Beta Kit
> 
>  
> 
> I have Access 2000 and XP installed on my PC.
> 
>  
> 
> Has anybody experienced problems installing Office 2003?
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Rudolf F. Vanek
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 

From mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com  Wed May  7 14:33:04 2003
From: mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com (Mark Whittinghill)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 13:33:04 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
References: <002601c314be$29e178d0$de1811d8@DanWaters>
Message-ID: <006a01c314cf$7b0b4db0$0400000a@PASCAL>

That was my plan, to set default to A2K.  I didn't know that about the
decompiling.  If I build an app in AXP/A2K default then distribute it to A2K
users, will there be any troubles with references or anything?

Mark Whittinghill
Symphony Information Services
612-333-1311
mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:29 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K


> Mark,
>
> There is a recognized bug in AXP that prevents decompiling an mdb.
However,
> if you set the mdb format to A2K when you develop in AXP, you will still
be
> able to decompile.  You can choose A2K to be the Default File Format in
> Tools | Options - Advanced before creating a new database.
>
> Other than that, I am pretty satisfied with AXP.  I've had an occasional
> crash, but nothing I would consider a problem.  I am, however, an avid
> control-s guy!
>
> Dan Waters
> Quality Process Solutions
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Whittinghill
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:51 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>   Recently my computer died due to power source failure, though I was able
> to recover files later.  I was due to upgrade my computer here anyway, so
I
> now have a new computer with Windows XP, the old one was Windows 2000.  We
> have yet to do any work in Access 2002.  Some of our clients use that, but
> we just send Access 2000 versions.
>
>   I never used to have problems with Access 2000, though I have read many
> posts from people who had.  Now that I have Windows XP,  I am having
crashes
> all the time, with the "Send Error Report"  dialog box.  Twice in the last
> couple weeks I have had things get corrupted so bad that I just had to
> restore my file from an earlier version and flush my work for the day down
> the toilet.  Based on what I am hearing of Access 2002, I am thinking that
I
> should just upgrade to that, even though I work in 2000 file format.  Are
> there any downsides to doing that?  Thanks for any advice.
>
> Mark Whittinghill
> Symphony Information Services
> 612-333-1311
> mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
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>
>
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>
>


From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed May  7 13:32:40 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 20:32:40 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B7E@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B7E@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <7340715966.20030507203240@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim, John

Bad memory?

WithEvents does exist in A97.
Shamil even wrote lengthy articles about this:

  http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/articles.htm

and JC's original demos must have been in A97 as well.
  
/gustav


> AFAIK WithEvents, RaiseEvent are not supported in A97.  Enums are definitely not supported.  I tried to use the first two after reading an old post of yours but no luck.


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed May  7 13:35:18 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 14:35:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
In-Reply-To: <7340715966.20030507203240@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEENJDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Gustav,

It has been awhile.  I thought I did Withevents in A97 for a long time
before I finally switched to A2K.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 2:33 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional compiling


Hi Jim, John

Bad memory?

WithEvents does exist in A97.
Shamil even wrote lengthy articles about this:

  http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/articles.htm

and JC's original demos must have been in A97 as well.

/gustav


> AFAIK WithEvents, RaiseEvent are not supported in A97.  Enums are
definitely not supported.  I tried to use the first two after reading an old
post of yours but no luck.

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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Wed May  7 13:38:31 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 14:38:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
References: <002601c314be$29e178d0$de1811d8@DanWaters>
Message-ID: <004901c314c7$dbd59180$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

...first time I'd heard of this decompile bug in XP Dan ...its not my
experience ...do you have any references you can share?

William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:29 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K


> Mark,
>
> There is a recognized bug in AXP that prevents decompiling an mdb.
However,
> if you set the mdb format to A2K when you develop in AXP, you will still
be
> able to decompile.  You can choose A2K to be the Default File Format in
> Tools | Options - Advanced before creating a new database.
>
> Other than that, I am pretty satisfied with AXP.  I've had an occasional
> crash, but nothing I would consider a problem.  I am, however, an avid
> control-s guy!
>
> Dan Waters
> Quality Process Solutions
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Whittinghill
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:51 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>   Recently my computer died due to power source failure, though I was able
> to recover files later.  I was due to upgrade my computer here anyway, so
I
> now have a new computer with Windows XP, the old one was Windows 2000.  We
> have yet to do any work in Access 2002.  Some of our clients use that, but
> we just send Access 2000 versions.
>
>   I never used to have problems with Access 2000, though I have read many
> posts from people who had.  Now that I have Windows XP,  I am having
crashes
> all the time, with the "Send Error Report"  dialog box.  Twice in the last
> couple weeks I have had things get corrupted so bad that I just had to
> restore my file from an earlier version and flush my work for the day down
> the toilet.  Based on what I am hearing of Access 2002, I am thinking that
I
> should just upgrade to that, even though I work in 2000 file format.  Are
> there any downsides to doing that?  Thanks for any advice.
>
> Mark Whittinghill
> Symphony Information Services
> 612-333-1311
> mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
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>



From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Wed May  7 13:41:32 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 14:41:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B7E@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <005b01c314c8$47cd56c0$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

...I used WithEvents extensively in A97 Jim :(

William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim DeMarco" <Jdemarco at hshhp.org>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:47 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling


> John,
>
> AFAIK WithEvents, RaiseEvent are not supported in A97.  Enums are
definitely not supported.  I tried to use the first two after reading an old
post of yours but no luck.
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:40 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
>
>
> Seth,
>
> You can conditional compile it:
>
> #const Access2K True
> #if Access2k then
> Dim WithEvents cWinsock As CSocket
> #else
> Dim cWinsock As CSocket
> #endif
>
> The problem is that you can't sink the events if the else case is
executed.
> However..
>
> I could swear that Withevents keyword was supported and sinking of events
> was allowed in A97.  I thought RaiseEvent was there but didn't do
anything.
> I have no clue re enumeration.
>
> And finally, even if you do this, you have to "comment out" entire
sections
> of code using the compiler constants and then that code doesn't function
> anymore.  Compile errors if you have calls to code "commented out" etc.  I
> don't know what you have in mind but it sounds like it could be a mess.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Seth Galitzer
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:27 PM
> To: accessd
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
>
>
> Here's the binding code:
>
> Dim WithEvents cWinsock As CSocket
>
> And CSocket is another class module in this mdb.  There are no other
> WithEvents declarations in the code anywhere.  So is this still no good?
>
> Seth
>
> On Wed, 2003-05-07 at 12:16, John Colby wrote:
> > That's correct, you can't late bind OBJECTS that you are sinking events
> for.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:07 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
> >
> >
> > Actually IIRC, per his post you cannot late bind WithEvents.
> >
> > Jim DeMarco
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:50 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
> >
> >
> > Seth,
> >
> > John Colby's  e-mail of 05/05 titled "Late binding Withevents" shows how
> > to do conditional compiling.  One of the properties of Access gives the
> > version number; however, I do not recall the name of that property.
> >
> > Charles Wortz
> > Software Development Division
> > Texas Education Agency
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> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Seth Galitzer [mailto:sgsax at ksu.edu]
> > Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 10:44
> > To: accessd
> > Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
> >
> > Greetings,
> >
> > I've got an app that needs to run on A2K and A97.  I've got some code
> > that uses user-defined enumerated types and some WithEvents
> > declarations, neither of which are supported by A97.  Is there a way to
> > conditionally compile the code depending on the Access version?  I know
> > you can use conditional statements, but I don't know if they can be used
> > in this way.  Right now, I'm supporting two versions of the app, one for
> > each version of Access, but it's making updating a real pain.  I'd also
> > like to be able to create conditions based on the Windows version.  I
> > imagine both are similar, if they are even possible.
> >
> > Any info and samples would be appreciated.
> >
> > Seth
> >
> > --
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> > Dept. of Plant Pathology
> > Kansas State University
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From papparuff at attbi.com  Wed May  7 14:05:49 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 12:05:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
In-Reply-To: <006a01c314cf$7b0b4db0$0400000a@PASCAL>
Message-ID: <001c01c314cb$ace10310$6401a8c0@papparuff>

If you installed OfficeXP and not just AccessXP, then you will have
Reference problems when you use Automation with early binding to manipulate
Excel, Word, Outlook, etc objects; and your program is earmarked for
Office2K computers.

Access does great setting the References to the current Office version when
you go from Access2K to AccessXP (eg. Outlook 9.0 to Outlook 10.0 Object
Library), but will not set the appropriate References from AccessXP to
Access2K (Outlook 10.0 to Outlook 9.0 Object Library - The Reference table
will give you a "Missing Outlook 10.0 Object Library").  

This is where converting your Early Binding to Late Binding is a definite
plus because with Late Binding, References are not required.


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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Whittinghill
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:33 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K


That was my plan, to set default to A2K.  I didn't know that about the
decompiling.  If I build an app in AXP/A2K default then distribute it to A2K
users, will there be any troubles with references or anything?

Mark Whittinghill
Symphony Information Services
612-333-1311
mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:29 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K


> Mark,
>
> There is a recognized bug in AXP that prevents decompiling an mdb.
However,
> if you set the mdb format to A2K when you develop in AXP, you will 
> still
be
> able to decompile.  You can choose A2K to be the Default File Format 
> in Tools | Options - Advanced before creating a new database.
>
> Other than that, I am pretty satisfied with AXP.  I've had an 
> occasional crash, but nothing I would consider a problem.  I am, 
> however, an avid control-s guy!
>
> Dan Waters
> Quality Process Solutions
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Whittinghill
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:51 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>   Recently my computer died due to power source failure, though I was 
> able to recover files later.  I was due to upgrade my computer here 
> anyway, so
I
> now have a new computer with Windows XP, the old one was Windows 2000.  
> We have yet to do any work in Access 2002.  Some of our clients use 
> that, but we just send Access 2000 versions.
>
>   I never used to have problems with Access 2000, though I have read 
> many posts from people who had.  Now that I have Windows XP,  I am 
> having
crashes
> all the time, with the "Send Error Report"  dialog box.  Twice in the 
> last couple weeks I have had things get corrupted so bad that I just 
> had to restore my file from an earlier version and flush my work for 
> the day down the toilet.  Based on what I am hearing of Access 2002, I 
> am thinking that
I
> should just upgrade to that, even though I work in 2000 file format.  
> Are there any downsides to doing that?  Thanks for any advice.
>
> Mark Whittinghill
> Symphony Information Services
> 612-333-1311
> mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed May  7 14:11:15 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 12:11:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
References: <002601c314be$29e178d0$de1811d8@DanWaters>
 <006a01c314cf$7b0b4db0$0400000a@PASCAL>
Message-ID: <3EB95A53.8030200@shaw.ca>

  You will have problems with Ole Automation and references to Excel 
Word Outlook if they are used, but by sacrificing a bit of speed you can 
use late binding to default to to the installed version of Word etc 
rather than using Word 9 or Word 10 libraries.
   Also make sure your clients are all using the same version of  Jet, I 
believe A2K came with  Jet SP3.  You can get Jet SP6 from here which may 
ameliorate your odd crashes. get the correct version for the OS. Before 
you install SP6  on a computer that is running Windows 95, Windows 98, 
or Windows NT 4.0, you must already have Jet 4.0 Service Pack 3 (SP3) or 
later installed. You have at least Jet 4.0 (SP3) if the file msjet40.dll 
is version 4.00.2927.4 or later

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q282010

Mark Whittinghill wrote:

>That was my plan, to set default to A2K.  I didn't know that about the
>decompiling.  If I build an app in AXP/A2K default then distribute it to A2K
>users, will there be any troubles with references or anything?
>
>Mark Whittinghill
>Symphony Information Services
>612-333-1311
>mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:29 AM
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
>
>
>  
>
>>Mark,
>>
>>There is a recognized bug in AXP that prevents decompiling an mdb.
>>    
>>
>However,
>  
>
>>if you set the mdb format to A2K when you develop in AXP, you will still
>>    
>>
>be
>  
>
>>able to decompile.  You can choose A2K to be the Default File Format in
>>Tools | Options - Advanced before creating a new database.
>>
>>Other than that, I am pretty satisfied with AXP.  I've had an occasional
>>crash, but nothing I would consider a problem.  I am, however, an avid
>>control-s guy!
>>
>>Dan Waters
>>Quality Process Solutions
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark
>>    
>>
>Whittinghill
>  
>
>>Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:51 AM
>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
>>
>>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>  Recently my computer died due to power source failure, though I was able
>>to recover files later.  I was due to upgrade my computer here anyway, so
>>    
>>
>I
>  
>
>>now have a new computer with Windows XP, the old one was Windows 2000.  We
>>have yet to do any work in Access 2002.  Some of our clients use that, but
>>we just send Access 2000 versions.
>>
>>  I never used to have problems with Access 2000, though I have read many
>>posts from people who had.  Now that I have Windows XP,  I am having
>>    
>>
>crashes
>  
>
>>all the time, with the "Send Error Report"  dialog box.  Twice in the last
>>couple weeks I have had things get corrupted so bad that I just had to
>>restore my file from an earlier version and flush my work for the day down
>>the toilet.  Based on what I am hearing of Access 2002, I am thinking that
>>    
>>
>I
>  
>
>>should just upgrade to that, even though I work in 2000 file format.  Are
>>there any downsides to doing that?  Thanks for any advice.
>>
>>Mark Whittinghill
>>Symphony Information Services
>>612-333-1311
>>mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
>>
>>_______________________________________________
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From mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com  Wed May  7 15:29:30 2003
From: mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com (Mark Whittinghill)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 14:29:30 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
References: <002601c314be$29e178d0$de1811d8@DanWaters>
	<006a01c314cf$7b0b4db0$0400000a@PASCAL> <3EB95A53.8030200@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <002a01c314d7$5cd234f0$0400000a@PASCAL>

I already use late binding for that very reason.  Thanks for the link.  I'll check it out.

Mark Whittinghill
Symphony Information Services
612-333-1311
mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: MartyConnelly 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:11 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K


    You will have problems with Ole Automation and references to Excel Word Outlook if they are used, but by sacrificing a bit of speed you can use late binding to default to to the installed version of Word etc rather than using Word 9 or Word 10 libraries.
     Also make sure your clients are all using the same version of  Jet, I believe A2K came with  Jet SP3.  You can get Jet SP6 from here which may ameliorate your odd crashes. get the correct version for the OS. Before you install SP6  on a computer that is running Windows 95, Windows 98, or Windows NT 4.0, you must already have Jet 4.0 Service Pack 3 (SP3) or later installed. You have at least Jet 4.0 (SP3) if the file msjet40.dll is version 4.00.2927.4 or later

  http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q282010

  Mark Whittinghill wrote:

That was my plan, to set default to A2K.  I didn't know that about the
decompiling.  If I build an app in AXP/A2K default then distribute it to A2K
users, will there be any troubles with references or anything?

Mark Whittinghill
Symphony Information Services
612-333-1311
mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:29 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K


  
Mark,

There is a recognized bug in AXP that prevents decompiling an mdb.
    
However,
  
if you set the mdb format to A2K when you develop in AXP, you will still
    
be
  
able to decompile.  You can choose A2K to be the Default File Format in
Tools | Options - Advanced before creating a new database.

Other than that, I am pretty satisfied with AXP.  I've had an occasional
crash, but nothing I would consider a problem.  I am, however, an avid
control-s guy!

Dan Waters
Quality Process Solutions


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark
    
Whittinghill
  
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:51 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K


Hi all,

  Recently my computer died due to power source failure, though I was able
to recover files later.  I was due to upgrade my computer here anyway, so
    
I
  
now have a new computer with Windows XP, the old one was Windows 2000.  We
have yet to do any work in Access 2002.  Some of our clients use that, but
we just send Access 2000 versions.

  I never used to have problems with Access 2000, though I have read many
posts from people who had.  Now that I have Windows XP,  I am having
    
crashes
  
all the time, with the "Send Error Report"  dialog box.  Twice in the last
couple weeks I have had things get corrupted so bad that I just had to
restore my file from an earlier version and flush my work for the day down
the toilet.  Based on what I am hearing of Access 2002, I am thinking that
    
I
  
should just upgrade to that, even though I work in 2000 file format.  Are
there any downsides to doing that?  Thanks for any advice.

Mark Whittinghill
Symphony Information Services
612-333-1311
mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed May  7 14:33:03 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 14:33:03 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] FW: Query help please
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B19@main2.marlow.com>

Okay Susan....the following SQL:
 
SELECT tlnklodgingEvent.EventID, tblLodging.Type, tlnklodgingEvent.Guests,
tlnklodgingEvent.NoNights, tlnklodgingEvent.CostPerUnit,
tlnklodgingEvent.total, Format([LodgingDate],"ddd") AS Expr1
FROM tblLodging RIGHT JOIN tlnklodgingEvent ON tblLodging.LodgingID =
tlnklodgingEvent.LodgingID
WHERE (((tlnklodgingEvent.EventID)=9461));
 
UNION SELECT 9461 AS EventID, tblLodging.Type, 0 AS Guests, 0 AS NoNights,
tblLodging.DRate, tblLodging.NDRate, "(Depending on if is Diocesan Event or
NonDiocesan Event)" AS Day
FROM tblLodging
WHERE (((tblLodging.LodgingID) Not In (SELECT tlnklodgingEvent.LodgingID
FROM tlnklodgingEvent WHERE (((tlnklodgingEvent.EventID)=9461)) GROUP BY
tlnklodgingEvent.LodgingID;)))
ORDER BY NoNights DESC, Type DESC;
 
Produces these results:   (Note, the Cost per unit and total are showing
actual data from the tlnklodgingEvent table...I don't know where you got the
numbers from, for your sample results....)
 
 

EventID

Type

Guests

NoNights

CostPerUnit

total

Expr1


9461

Single

6

1

$50.00

$300.00

Wed


9461

Single

8

1

$50.00

$400.00

Mon


9461

Single

9

1

$50.00

$450.00

Tue


9461

Double

2

1

$35.00

$70.00

Thu


9461

Double

22

1

$35.00

$770.00

Mon


9461

Double

22

1

$35.00

$770.00

Tue


9461

Double

30

1

$35.00

$1,050.00

Wed


9461

Triple

0

0

$21.34

$25.33

(Depending on if is Diocesan Event or NonDiocesan Event)


9461

Tent

0

0

$10.00

$10.25

(Depending on if is Diocesan Event or NonDiocesan Event)


9461

R/V

0

0

$20.50

$20.50

(Depending on if is Diocesan Event or NonDiocesan Event)


9461

Quadruple

0

0

$17.50

$20.50

(Depending on if is Diocesan Event or NonDiocesan Event)


9461

Cabin/Staff

0

0

$20.00

$26.00

(Depending on if is Diocesan Event or NonDiocesan Event)


9461

Cabin

0

0

$18.00

$21.00

(Depending on if is Diocesan Event or NonDiocesan Event)

 
 
Drew 

 -----Original Message-----
From: Klos, Susan [mailto:Susan.Klos at fldoe.org]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:51 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] FW: Query help please


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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Wed May  7 14:43:56 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 15:43:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B84@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Yes that's right.  I've used it myself countless times.  Must be getting old!  RaiseEvent didn't work though (um, if my memory hasn't completely failed me).

Thanks Gustav,

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 2:33 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional compiling


Hi Jim, John

Bad memory?

WithEvents does exist in A97.
Shamil even wrote lengthy articles about this:

  http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/articles.htm

and JC's original demos must have been in A97 as well.
  
/gustav


> AFAIK WithEvents, RaiseEvent are not supported in A97.  Enums are definitely not supported.  I tried to use the first two after reading an old post of yours but no luck.

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed May  7 14:50:35 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 14:50:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K - KB 810415
In-Reply-To: <004901c314c7$dbd59180$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>
Message-ID: <003a01c314d1$f0611340$de1811d8@DanWaters>

Oops!

The problem is compacting, not decompiling.  I guess age 46 must have been
the good memory threshold!

The KB article is at:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;810415

The effect is the same - you should use the A2K format when creating AXP
mdb's.

Apologies!!
Dan



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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K


...first time I'd heard of this decompile bug in XP Dan ...its not my
experience ...do you have any references you can share?

William Hindman

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To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:29 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K


> Mark,
>
> There is a recognized bug in AXP that prevents decompiling an mdb.
However,
> if you set the mdb format to A2K when you develop in AXP, you will 
> still
be
> able to decompile.  You can choose A2K to be the Default File Format 
> in Tools | Options - Advanced before creating a new database.
>
> Other than that, I am pretty satisfied with AXP.  I've had an 
> occasional crash, but nothing I would consider a problem.  I am, 
> however, an avid control-s guy!
>
> Dan Waters
> Quality Process Solutions
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Whittinghill
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:51 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>   Recently my computer died due to power source failure, though I was 
> able to recover files later.  I was due to upgrade my computer here 
> anyway, so
I
> now have a new computer with Windows XP, the old one was Windows 2000.  
> We have yet to do any work in Access 2002.  Some of our clients use 
> that, but we just send Access 2000 versions.
>
>   I never used to have problems with Access 2000, though I have read 
> many posts from people who had.  Now that I have Windows XP,  I am 
> having
crashes
> all the time, with the "Send Error Report"  dialog box.  Twice in the 
> last couple weeks I have had things get corrupted so bad that I just 
> had to restore my file from an earlier version and flush my work for 
> the day down the toilet.  Based on what I am hearing of Access 2002, I 
> am thinking that
I
> should just upgrade to that, even though I work in 2000 file format.  
> Are there any downsides to doing that?  Thanks for any advice.
>
> Mark Whittinghill
> Symphony Information Services
> 612-333-1311
> mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
>
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From delliker at hotmail.com  Wed May  7 14:52:26 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 15:52:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May  7 15:47:15 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 13:47:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K - KB 810415
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F15@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I haven't encountered any problems compacting XP format databases.  The
problem is not that you can't compact, it's that a system table exists
in 2002 that may not reduce in size when you compact.  The workaround is
to create a new database and import all the objects into it.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:51 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K - KB 810415


Oops!

The problem is compacting, not decompiling.  I guess age 46 must have
been the good memory threshold!

The KB article is at:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;810415

The effect is the same - you should use the A2K format when creating AXP
mdb's.

Apologies!!
Dan



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K


...first time I'd heard of this decompile bug in XP Dan ...its not my
experience ...do you have any references you can share?

William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:29 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K


> Mark,
>
> There is a recognized bug in AXP that prevents decompiling an mdb.
However,
> if you set the mdb format to A2K when you develop in AXP, you will
> still
be
> able to decompile.  You can choose A2K to be the Default File Format
> in Tools | Options - Advanced before creating a new database.
>
> Other than that, I am pretty satisfied with AXP.  I've had an
> occasional crash, but nothing I would consider a problem.  I am, 
> however, an avid control-s guy!
>
> Dan Waters
> Quality Process Solutions
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Whittinghill
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:51 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>   Recently my computer died due to power source failure, though I was
> able to recover files later.  I was due to upgrade my computer here 
> anyway, so
I
> now have a new computer with Windows XP, the old one was Windows 2000.
> We have yet to do any work in Access 2002.  Some of our clients use 
> that, but we just send Access 2000 versions.
>
>   I never used to have problems with Access 2000, though I have read
> many posts from people who had.  Now that I have Windows XP,  I am 
> having
crashes
> all the time, with the "Send Error Report"  dialog box.  Twice in the
> last couple weeks I have had things get corrupted so bad that I just 
> had to restore my file from an earlier version and flush my work for 
> the day down the toilet.  Based on what I am hearing of Access 2002, I

> am thinking that
I
> should just upgrade to that, even though I work in 2000 file format.
> Are there any downsides to doing that?  Thanks for any advice.
>
> Mark Whittinghill
> Symphony Information Services
> 612-333-1311
> mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May  7 15:50:00 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 13:50:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F16@infoserver01.infostat.local>

It's RaiseEvents, not WithEvents, that didn't exist in 97.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 10:35 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling


Gustav,

It has been awhile.  I thought I did Withevents in A97 for a long time
before I finally switched to A2K.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 2:33 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional compiling


Hi Jim, John

Bad memory?

WithEvents does exist in A97.
Shamil even wrote lengthy articles about this:

  http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/articles.htm

and JC's original demos must have been in A97 as well.

/gustav


> AFAIK WithEvents, RaiseEvent are not supported in A97.  Enums are
definitely not supported.  I tried to use the first two after reading an
old post of yours but no luck.

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May  7 15:51:26 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 13:51:26 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F17@infoserver01.infostat.local>

No Enums in Access 97.  They weren't supported until A2k.  No custom
events until AXP.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 9:40 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling


Seth,

You can conditional compile it:

#const Access2K True
#if Access2k then
Dim WithEvents cWinsock As CSocket
#else
Dim cWinsock As CSocket
#endif

The problem is that you can't sink the events if the else case is
executed. However..

I could swear that Withevents keyword was supported and sinking of
events was allowed in A97.  I thought RaiseEvent was there but didn't do
anything. I have no clue re enumeration.

And finally, even if you do this, you have to "comment out" entire
sections of code using the compiler constants and then that code doesn't
function anymore.  Compile errors if you have calls to code "commented
out" etc.  I don't know what you have in mind but it sounds like it
could be a mess.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Seth Galitzer
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:27 PM
To: accessd
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling


Here's the binding code:

Dim WithEvents cWinsock As CSocket

And CSocket is another class module in this mdb.  There are no other
WithEvents declarations in the code anywhere.  So is this still no good?

Seth

On Wed, 2003-05-07 at 12:16, John Colby wrote:
> That's correct, you can't late bind OBJECTS that you are sinking 
> events
for.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:07 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
>
>
> Actually IIRC, per his post you cannot late bind WithEvents.
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:50 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
>
>
> Seth,
>
> John Colby's  e-mail of 05/05 titled "Late binding Withevents" shows 
> how to do conditional compiling.  One of the properties of Access 
> gives the version number; however, I do not recall the name of that 
> property.
>
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Seth Galitzer [mailto:sgsax at ksu.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 10:44
> To: accessd
> Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
>
> Greetings,
>
> I've got an app that needs to run on A2K and A97.  I've got some code 
> that uses user-defined enumerated types and some WithEvents 
> declarations, neither of which are supported by A97.  Is there a way 
> to conditionally compile the code depending on the Access version?  I 
> know you can use conditional statements, but I don't know if they can 
> be used in this way.  Right now, I'm supporting two versions of the 
> app, one for each version of Access, but it's making updating a real 
> pain.  I'd also like to be able to create conditions based on the 
> Windows version.  I imagine both are similar, if they are even 
> possible.
>
> Any info and samples would be appreciated.
>
> Seth
>
> --
> Seth Galitzer			sgsax at ksu.edu
> Computing Specialist		http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax
> Dept. of Plant Pathology
> Kansas State University 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May  7 15:53:38 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 13:53:38 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F18@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Does anyone still *use* A95?  Actually, what it's returning is the major
built of Jet used to create the database, and A95 used Jet 3.0, as I
recall.    It didn't affect us when I wrote that code, because all our
extant apps are in A97 and we're upgrading them to AXP.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Seth Galitzer [mailto:sgsax at ksu.edu] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 9:14 AM
To: accessd
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling


Interestingly, the Version property returns 3.0 in an A95 mdb as well.

Just FYI.

Seth

On Wed, 2003-05-07 at 11:13, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> It's the Version property of the database object that returns the 
> major Jet engine version for the specified database file ' Access 97 =

> 3.0 ' Access 2000/2002 = 4.0
> 
>     Dim strVersion As String
>     Dim dbs As DAO.Database
>     Dim wsp As DAO.Workspace
>     
>    On Error GoTo GetDBVersion_Err
>    
>     Set wsp = DBEngine.CreateWorkspace("Version")
>     Set dbs = wsp.OpenDatabase(strFileName)
>     
>     strVersion = dbs.Version
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 7:50 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
> 
> 
> Seth,
> 
> John Colby's  e-mail of 05/05 titled "Late binding Withevents" shows 
> how to do conditional compiling.  One of the properties of Access 
> gives the version number; however, I do not recall the name of that 
> property.
> 
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Seth Galitzer [mailto:sgsax at ksu.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 10:44
> To: accessd
> Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> I've got an app that needs to run on A2K and A97.  I've got some code 
> that uses user-defined enumerated types and some WithEvents 
> declarations, neither of which are supported by A97.  Is there a way 
> to conditionally compile the code depending on the Access version?  I 
> know you can use conditional statements, but I don't know if they can 
> be used in this way.  Right now, I'm supporting two versions of the 
> app, one for each version of Access, but it's making updating a real 
> pain.  I'd also like to be able to create conditions based on the 
> Windows version.  I imagine both are similar, if they are even 
> possible.
> 
> Any info and samples would be appreciated.
> 
> Seth
> 
> -- 
> Seth Galitzer			sgsax at ksu.edu
> Computing Specialist		http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax
> Dept. of Plant Pathology
> Kansas State University 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May  7 15:54:20 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 13:54:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F19@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Yes, I seem to recall there being  a prior discussion on this.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 8:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


Also, about a year ago this subject was brought up with about the same
amount of information documented.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
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-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 11:16
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery

But, Gustav, we just created references to it here! <VBG>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:51 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


Hi Charlotte

> ..  If you ever find it in help, for goodness sake, post the reference

> here!

I would say: if you ever find any reference to this, post it here.

/gustav
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed May  7 15:56:38 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 13:56:38 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
In-Reply-To: <002401c314c1$27cc7420$0400000a@PASCAL>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFCEOJCHAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Mark:

I had some problems with A2K running on WinXP but after there was an upgrade
to AXP the specific set of problems have seemed to disappear. There were
some code issues and they were fixed and it seems to be a stable product
except forr one issue. I found was the references did not seem to initially
auto-connect and I had to check every API call.

HTH
Jim

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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Whittinghill
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 10:51 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K


Hi all,

  Recently my computer died due to power source failure, though I was able
to recover files later.  I was due to upgrade my computer here anyway, so I
now have a new computer with Windows XP, the old one was Windows 2000.  We
have yet to do any work in Access 2002.  Some of our clients use that, but
we just send Access 2000 versions.

  I never used to have problems with Access 2000, though I have read many
posts from people who had.  Now that I have Windows XP,  I am having crashes
all the time, with the "Send Error Report"  dialog box.  Twice in the last
couple weeks I have had things get corrupted so bad that I just had to
restore my file from an earlier version and flush my work for the day down
the toilet.  Based on what I am hearing of Access 2002, I am thinking that I
should just upgrade to that, even though I work in 2000 file format.  Are
there any downsides to doing that?  Thanks for any advice.

Mark Whittinghill
Symphony Information Services
612-333-1311
mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com

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From mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com  Wed May  7 17:12:50 2003
From: mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com (Mark Whittinghill)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 16:12:50 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
References: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFCEOJCHAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <002e01c314e5$ccbc61b0$0400000a@PASCAL>

Jim,

   I have seen weirdness in references also.  Such as, not having DAO on the
references list, or having Excel 5.0 library instead of Excel 9.0, stuff
like that.  Closing and reopening fixed that.

Mark Whittinghill
Symphony Information Services
612-333-1311
mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 2:56 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K


> Hi Mark:
>
> I had some problems with A2K running on WinXP but after there was an
upgrade
> to AXP the specific set of problems have seemed to disappear. There were
> some code issues and they were fixed and it seems to be a stable product
> except forr one issue. I found was the references did not seem to
initially
> auto-connect and I had to check every API call.
>
> HTH
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark
> Whittinghill
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 10:51 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>   Recently my computer died due to power source failure, though I was able
> to recover files later.  I was due to upgrade my computer here anyway, so
I
> now have a new computer with Windows XP, the old one was Windows 2000.  We
> have yet to do any work in Access 2002.  Some of our clients use that, but
> we just send Access 2000 versions.
>
>   I never used to have problems with Access 2000, though I have read many
> posts from people who had.  Now that I have Windows XP,  I am having
crashes
> all the time, with the "Send Error Report"  dialog box.  Twice in the last
> couple weeks I have had things get corrupted so bad that I just had to
> restore my file from an earlier version and flush my work for the day down
> the toilet.  Based on what I am hearing of Access 2002, I am thinking that
I
> should just upgrade to that, even though I work in 2000 file format.  Are
> there any downsides to doing that?  Thanks for any advice.
>
> Mark Whittinghill
> Symphony Information Services
> 612-333-1311
> mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
>
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed May  7 16:20:17 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 14:20:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
In-Reply-To: <002e01c314e5$ccbc61b0$0400000a@PASCAL>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFOEOKCHAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Mark:

> I have seen weirdness in references also.  Such as, not having DAO on the
references list..

That may be taken as a hint for us.
Jim


From mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com  Wed May  7 17:38:18 2003
From: mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com (Mark Whittinghill)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 16:38:18 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
References: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFOEOKCHAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <001001c314e9$5b537f00$0400000a@PASCAL>

LOL

Mark Whittinghill
Symphony Information Services
612-333-1311
mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 3:20 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K


> Mark:
>
> > I have seen weirdness in references also.  Such as, not having DAO on
the
> references list..
>
> That may be taken as a hint for us.
> Jim
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed May  7 16:38:33 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 16:38:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
In-Reply-To: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFOEOKCHAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <004801c314e1$05b85730$de1811d8@DanWaters>

Jim - are you allowed to give more of a hint on this?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 3:20 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K


Mark:

> I have seen weirdness in references also.  Such as, not having DAO on 
> the
references list..

That may be taken as a hint for us.
Jim

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed May  7 16:38:33 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 16:38:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K - KB 810415
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F15@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <004901c314e1$08ee7bf0$de1811d8@DanWaters>

OK - true.

But the AXP formatted database will bloat, and compacting won't reduce the
size.  If the database is in A2K format in the first place, that problem
doesn't happen, and the database does reduce to minimum size after
compacting.

For an existing database in AXP, moving all the objects into an A2K
formatted database will solve the problem for good.

I have experienced this problem.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 2:47 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K - KB 810415


I haven't encountered any problems compacting XP format databases.  The
problem is not that you can't compact, it's that a system table exists in
2002 that may not reduce in size when you compact.  The workaround is to
create a new database and import all the objects into it.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:51 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K - KB 810415


Oops!

The problem is compacting, not decompiling.  I guess age 46 must have been
the good memory threshold!

The KB article is at:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;810415

The effect is the same - you should use the A2K format when creating AXP
mdb's.

Apologies!!
Dan



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K


...first time I'd heard of this decompile bug in XP Dan ...its not my
experience ...do you have any references you can share?

William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:29 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K


> Mark,
>
> There is a recognized bug in AXP that prevents decompiling an mdb.
However,
> if you set the mdb format to A2K when you develop in AXP, you will 
> still
be
> able to decompile.  You can choose A2K to be the Default File Format 
> in Tools | Options - Advanced before creating a new database.
>
> Other than that, I am pretty satisfied with AXP.  I've had an 
> occasional crash, but nothing I would consider a problem.  I am, 
> however, an avid control-s guy!
>
> Dan Waters
> Quality Process Solutions
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Whittinghill
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:51 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>   Recently my computer died due to power source failure, though I was 
> able to recover files later.  I was due to upgrade my computer here 
> anyway, so
I
> now have a new computer with Windows XP, the old one was Windows 2000. 
> We have yet to do any work in Access 2002.  Some of our clients use 
> that, but we just send Access 2000 versions.
>
>   I never used to have problems with Access 2000, though I have read 
> many posts from people who had.  Now that I have Windows XP,  I am 
> having
crashes
> all the time, with the "Send Error Report"  dialog box.  Twice in the 
> last couple weeks I have had things get corrupted so bad that I just 
> had to restore my file from an earlier version and flush my work for 
> the day down the toilet.  Based on what I am hearing of Access 2002, I

> am thinking that
I
> should just upgrade to that, even though I work in 2000 file format. 
> Are there any downsides to doing that?  Thanks for any advice.
>
> Mark Whittinghill
> Symphony Information Services
> 612-333-1311
> mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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>


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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Wed May  7 16:44:28 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 17:44:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K - KB 810415
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F15@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <002901c314e1$d6051400$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

...the real problem is that MS, having long past identified this substantial
bug in AXP, has done nothing to fix what has to be a relatively simple code
problem ...like you I export to compact but its a RPITA and long overdue for
a fix :((((((

William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 4:47 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K - KB 810415


> I haven't encountered any problems compacting XP format databases.  The
> problem is not that you can't compact, it's that a system table exists
> in 2002 that may not reduce in size when you compact.  The workaround is
> to create a new database and import all the objects into it.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:51 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K - KB 810415
>
>
> Oops!
>
> The problem is compacting, not decompiling.  I guess age 46 must have
> been the good memory threshold!
>
> The KB article is at:
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;810415
>
> The effect is the same - you should use the A2K format when creating AXP
> mdb's.
>
> Apologies!!
> Dan
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:39 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
>
>
> ...first time I'd heard of this decompile bug in XP Dan ...its not my
> experience ...do you have any references you can share?
>
> William Hindman
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:29 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
>
>
> > Mark,
> >
> > There is a recognized bug in AXP that prevents decompiling an mdb.
> However,
> > if you set the mdb format to A2K when you develop in AXP, you will
> > still
> be
> > able to decompile.  You can choose A2K to be the Default File Format
> > in Tools | Options - Advanced before creating a new database.
> >
> > Other than that, I am pretty satisfied with AXP.  I've had an
> > occasional crash, but nothing I would consider a problem.  I am,
> > however, an avid control-s guy!
> >
> > Dan Waters
> > Quality Process Solutions
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark
> Whittinghill
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:51 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
> >
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> >   Recently my computer died due to power source failure, though I was
> > able to recover files later.  I was due to upgrade my computer here
> > anyway, so
> I
> > now have a new computer with Windows XP, the old one was Windows 2000.
> > We have yet to do any work in Access 2002.  Some of our clients use
> > that, but we just send Access 2000 versions.
> >
> >   I never used to have problems with Access 2000, though I have read
> > many posts from people who had.  Now that I have Windows XP,  I am
> > having
> crashes
> > all the time, with the "Send Error Report"  dialog box.  Twice in the
> > last couple weeks I have had things get corrupted so bad that I just
> > had to restore my file from an earlier version and flush my work for
> > the day down the toilet.  Based on what I am hearing of Access 2002, I
>
> > am thinking that
> I
> > should just upgrade to that, even though I work in 2000 file format.
> > Are there any downsides to doing that?  Thanks for any advice.
> >
> > Mark Whittinghill
> > Symphony Information Services
> > 612-333-1311
> > mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From caa at highway.com.br  Wed May  7 16:46:21 2003
From: caa at highway.com.br (Carlos Alberto Alves)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 18:46:21 -0300
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
In-Reply-To: <1052153916.19345.8.camel@sgsax-th4022c>
References: <000101c31324$a022ee20$b274d0d5@andypc>
	<1052153916.19345.8.camel@sgsax-th4022c>
Message-ID: <oprotn3jaueuy8y3@localhost>

On 05 May 2003 11:58:32 -0500, Seth Galitzer <sgsax at ksu.edu> wrote:

> Andy,
>
> If you use Win2K or XP and set up seperate desktop login accounts,
> you'll each have seperate settings for Outlook.
>
> With Eudora, you just need to create two different mail folders, one for
> each of you.  Make a shortcut for each that includes the full path to
> the desired folder on the commandline.
>
> Seth
>
> On Mon, 2003-05-05 at 11:37, Andy Lacey wrote:
>> Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
>>
>> I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but recently my wife
>> is getting more into email and that's thrown up what I think is a
>> limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to both use the same
>> email client and both see all incoming mail (personal stuff may be to
>> either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc, but when we send an
>> email we want to be able to determine which of us is the Sender and
>> therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to each have our own
>> signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't cater for this at all
>> well. I can set her own profile up but that separates us too much. If a
>> friend happens to have written to my email address themn my wife won't
>> see it because it'll be in my Inbox, and vice-versa. My question is: can
>> what I'm describing be done in another client such as Eudora?
>>
>> Andy Lacey
>> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>

Take a look at Opera 7.10  << http://www.opera.com  >>
Tutorial on site.
-- 
**************************************
* Carlos Alberto Alves               *
* Child Neurologist                  *
* Systems Analyst/Programmer         *
* Rio de Janeiro, Brazil             *
* mailto:caa at highway.com.br          *
* http://igspot.ig.com.br/forefront/ *
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed May  7 16:51:28 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 14:51:28 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] RE: OT FTP connection
In-Reply-To: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFCEOJCHAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFGEOMCHAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

We are having some problems connecting a Window 2000 server and an FTP site.

If we connect to FTP through the standard port of 21, no problem but if we
try to connect through a port other that 21 say for example 5003, the
connection process fails.

Has anyone had any experience or information with this process. Please
answer off-line as this is an OT subject.

MTIA
Jim


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May  7 18:00:39 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 16:00:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K - KB 810415
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F1A@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Only if your boss will go along with that plan! <VBG>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K - KB 810415


OK - true.

But the AXP formatted database will bloat, and compacting won't reduce
the size.  If the database is in A2K format in the first place, that
problem doesn't happen, and the database does reduce to minimum size
after compacting.

For an existing database in AXP, moving all the objects into an A2K
formatted database will solve the problem for good.

I have experienced this problem.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 2:47 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K - KB 810415


I haven't encountered any problems compacting XP format databases.  The
problem is not that you can't compact, it's that a system table exists
in 2002 that may not reduce in size when you compact.  The workaround is
to create a new database and import all the objects into it.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:51 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K - KB 810415


Oops!

The problem is compacting, not decompiling.  I guess age 46 must have
been the good memory threshold!

The KB article is at:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;810415

The effect is the same - you should use the A2K format when creating AXP
mdb's.

Apologies!!
Dan



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K


...first time I'd heard of this decompile bug in XP Dan ...its not my
experience ...do you have any references you can share?

William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:29 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K


> Mark,
>
> There is a recognized bug in AXP that prevents decompiling an mdb.
However,
> if you set the mdb format to A2K when you develop in AXP, you will
> still
be
> able to decompile.  You can choose A2K to be the Default File Format
> in Tools | Options - Advanced before creating a new database.
>
> Other than that, I am pretty satisfied with AXP.  I've had an
> occasional crash, but nothing I would consider a problem.  I am, 
> however, an avid control-s guy!
>
> Dan Waters
> Quality Process Solutions
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Whittinghill
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:51 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>   Recently my computer died due to power source failure, though I was
> able to recover files later.  I was due to upgrade my computer here 
> anyway, so
I
> now have a new computer with Windows XP, the old one was Windows 2000.
> We have yet to do any work in Access 2002.  Some of our clients use 
> that, but we just send Access 2000 versions.
>
>   I never used to have problems with Access 2000, though I have read
> many posts from people who had.  Now that I have Windows XP,  I am 
> having
crashes
> all the time, with the "Send Error Report"  dialog box.  Twice in the
> last couple weeks I have had things get corrupted so bad that I just 
> had to restore my file from an earlier version and flush my work for 
> the day down the toilet.  Based on what I am hearing of Access 2002, I

> am thinking that
I
> should just upgrade to that, even though I work in 2000 file format.
> Are there any downsides to doing that?  Thanks for any advice.
>
> Mark Whittinghill
> Symphony Information Services
> 612-333-1311
> mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May  7 18:02:10 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 16:02:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F1B@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Well, that's interesting.  I've never experienced that.  Of course, it
isn't checked by default, but unless there's something odd about your
installation, the reference is there .. Unless you're in an ADP, of
course.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:20 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K


Mark:

> I have seen weirdness in references also.  Such as, not having DAO on 
> the
references list..

That may be taken as a hint for us.
Jim

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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Wed May  7 18:26:11 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 08:56:11 +0930 
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A034@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

It is safer as  @@Identity is linked only to the connection (or transaction)
which created the record.  
 
Otherwise you are risking that another user will insert a record in-between
adding and retrieving the ID of the record added by the first user.
 
I'm not sure if that is a risk using the other methods mentioned on this
list, however I *do* now that with @@Identity there is no risk of this
happening.
 
Cheers,
Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, 8 May 2003 5:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value



How does this fare in a multi-user setup?
_D





"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." 

>From: "Haslett, Andrew" 
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" 
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
>Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 10:28:09 +0930 
> 
>Sure. 
> 
>Create a table (table1) with two fields (ID: Autonumber, Field1: Text) 
> 
>Paste this code into a module and away you go: 
> 
>****************************************************************** 
> 
>Sub TestIdentity() 
> 
> Dim conn As ADODB.Connection, rs As ADODB.Recordset 
> Set conn = CurrentProject.Connection 
> 
> strSQL = "INSERT INTO table1 (field1) VALUES ('SomeValue')" 
> conn.Execute strSQL 
> 
> strSQL = "SELECT @@Identity" 
> Set rs = conn.Execute(strSQL) 
> 
> intID = rs.Fields.Item(0).Value 
> 
> Debug.Print intID 
> 
> rs.Close 
> conn.Close 
> 
>End Sub 
> 
>****************************************************************** 
> 
>Cheers, 
>Andrew 
> 
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz] 
>Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 9:43 AM 
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> 
> 
>Andrew, just to complete the knowledge flowing freely here (great stuff),
if 
>I've used a SQL statement to INSERT the new record, can I use @@Identity 
>(and how)? 
> 
>Thanks 
>Stephen Bond 
> 
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: Haslett, Andrew [mailto:andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au] 
>Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 10:43 a.m. 
>To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> 
> 
>Jet 4.0 supports @@Identity. Therefore if you are inserting your record in 
>code using ADO then it will work fine. 
> 
>Cheers, 
>Andrew 
> 
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] 
>Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 2:01 AM 
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> 
> 
>I don't think that works in MDBs, which I assume Stephen meant, else he 
>would have posted on the SQL list. 
> 
>Arthur 
> 
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Haslett, Andrew 
>Sent: May 6, 2003 12:09 AM 
>To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> 
> 
>SELECT @@IDENTITY 
> 
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz] 
>Sent: Tuesday, 6 May 2003 12:23 PM 
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> 
> 
>In this thread a couple of months ago there was a solution offered to the 
>problem of determining the value of an ID Autonumber of a record just
added. 
> 
> 
>It was stunning in its simplicity, so of course I didn't write it down ;-( 
> 
>Can anyone help? 
> 
>TIA 
> 
>Stephen Bond 
>Otatara, New Zealand 
>( tel 03 213 1256 fax 03 213 0123 
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From jim.hale at fleetpride.com  Wed May  7 18:32:22 2003
From: jim.hale at fleetpride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 18:32:22 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
Message-ID: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF87305F60B12@corp-es00>

When my references to "DAO" started showing up as "DOA" is I got the hint.
:-)
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 4:20 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K


Mark:

> I have seen weirdness in references also.  Such as, not having DAO on the
references list..

That may be taken as a hint for us.
Jim

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed May  7 19:33:43 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 10:33:43 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Getting Email from Linked Outlook Contacts
In-Reply-To: <001901c31460$1fe4a540$b274d0d5@andypc>
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B0D@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <3EBA3287.11982.56E200A@localhost>

I want to set up an automated mailing process in A2K for someone using Oulook 2K.  

Simple enough, I thought, I know you can link to Outlook folders so, I will just link to his Contacts, then iterate through 
them and pick the email addresses.   

Linked to Contacts and went looking  - lo and behold -  no email address fields in the linked Contacts :-(

I know I could use use Docmd.SendObject,,,,"Display Name (E-mail)"..........
but I don't want to send the messages through Outlook/Exchange. 
For various reasons, I want to grab the email address and BLAT the message out. 

If I export Contacts to an Access database, the fields I want are in the exported table, but when I link to Contacts they 
are not :-(  

Anyone know how I can get the email address(es) from the Outlook Contacts folder live (ie by linking, not 
exporting/importing)?




-- 
Stuart McLachlan
Lexacorp Ltd
Application Development,  IT Consultancy
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg


From papparuff at attbi.com  Wed May  7 20:14:23 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 18:14:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Getting Email from Linked Outlook Contacts
In-Reply-To: <3EBA3287.11982.56E200A@localhost>
Message-ID: <004601c314ff$2c70ecc0$6401a8c0@papparuff>

Stuart,

I was able to link to my Contacts folder and see the email addresses with no
problems so I'm not sure why you can't see yours. However, you can also use
Automation to get the addresses:

Public Function GetContact(Optional strName As String) As String
    Dim objOlApp As Outlook.Application
    Dim objNameSpace As Outlook.NameSpace
    Dim objFolder As Outlook.MAPIFolder
    Dim objItems As Outlook.Items
    Dim strFullName As String
    Dim strEmail As String
    Dim objContact As Outlook.ContactItem
    Dim i As Integer
  
    Set objOlApp = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")
    Set objNameSpace = objOlApp.GetNamespace("MAPI")
    Set objFolder = objNameSpace.GetDefaultFolder(olFolderContacts)
    Set objItems = objFolder.Items
    
    If strName = "" Then
        ' This prints all the contacts in the contacts list
        For i = 1 To objItems.Count
            On Error Resume Next
            Debug.Print objItems.Item(i).FullName
            Debug.Print objItems.Item(i).Email1Address
        Next i
        Err = 0
    Else
        ' This prints the info for a specific contact
        With objFolder.Items(strName)
            strFullName = .FullName
            strEmail = .Email1Address
        End With
        GetContact = strFullName & "\" & strEmail
    End If
    
    Set objItems = Nothing
    Set objFolder = Nothing
    Set objNameSpace = Nothing
    Set objOlApp = Nothing
    
End Function

John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
Always Looking For Contract Opportunities

Home: 253.588.2139
Cell: 253.307/2947
9306 Farwest Dr SW
Lakewood, WA 98498

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                and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 5:34 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Getting Email from Linked Outlook Contacts


I want to set up an automated mailing process in A2K for someone using
Oulook 2K.  

Simple enough, I thought, I know you can link to Outlook folders so, I will
just link to his Contacts, then iterate through 
them and pick the email addresses.   

Linked to Contacts and went looking  - lo and behold -  no email address
fields in the linked Contacts :-(

I know I could use use Docmd.SendObject,,,,"Display Name (E-mail)"..........
but I don't want to send the messages through Outlook/Exchange. 
For various reasons, I want to grab the email address and BLAT the message
out. 

If I export Contacts to an Access database, the fields I want are in the
exported table, but when I link to Contacts they 
are not :-(  

Anyone know how I can get the email address(es) from the Outlook Contacts
folder live (ie by linking, not 
exporting/importing)?




-- 
Stuart McLachlan
Lexacorp Ltd
Application Development,  IT Consultancy http://www.lexacorp.com.pg

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From davesharpe2 at cox.net  Wed May  7 21:41:50 2003
From: davesharpe2 at cox.net (dave sharpe)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 22:41:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
References: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357C2@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <000d01c3150b$60eb6910$1d270a44@bcs006137>

Friends I found this on the subject and thought that
it might be of benefit to some members of the group.

http://www.nesug.org/Proceedings/nesug98/dbas/p005.pdf

Dave

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Wortz, Charles 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:45 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


  Also, about a year ago this subject was brought up with about the same
  amount of information documented.

  Charles Wortz
  Software Development Division
  Texas Education Agency
  1701 N. Congress Ave
  Austin, TX 78701-1494
  512-463-9493
  CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



  -----Original Message-----
  From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
  Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 11:16
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery

  But, Gustav, we just created references to it here! <VBG>

  Charlotte Foust

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:51 PM
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


  Hi Charlotte

  > ..  If you ever find it in help, for goodness sake, post the reference

  > here!

  I would say: if you ever find any reference to this, post it here.

  /gustav
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed May  7 22:13:01 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 13:13:01 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Getting Email from Linked Outlook Contacts
In-Reply-To: <004601c314ff$2c70ecc0$6401a8c0@papparuff>
References: <3EBA3287.11982.56E200A@localhost>
Message-ID: <3EBA57DD.30778.5FFFC0D@localhost>

On 7 May 2003 at 18:14, John Ruff wrote:

> Stuart,
> 
> I was able to link to my Contacts folder and see the email addresses with no
> problems so I'm not sure why you can't see yours. However, you can also use
> Automation to get the addresses:

I've never got around to using Automation with Outlook ( I avoid Outlook itself as much as possible <g>)

That worked fine. You've just saved me a heap of time. Thanks a million :-)






-- 
Stuart McLachlan
Lexacorp Ltd
Application Development,  IT Consultancy
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg


From Tim.Pain at e20.akzonobel.com  Thu May  8 03:18:01 2003
From: Tim.Pain at e20.akzonobel.com (Pain, T. (Tim))
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 09:18:01 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] 
Message-ID: <0BB2DFBAEF484F4AA077B46F1B165FE6660890@lbrn12.d20.intra>

Did you know that in Win XP you can turn off the Error Reporting, I
guess it may also work with Win 2003 -
1. On the Start menu, select Run, enter "msconfig.exe" (don't type the
quotation marks), and click OK.

2. Click the Services tab.

3. Make sure that the Hide All Microsoft Services box is clear.

4. Clear the Error Reporting Service check box.

5. Click OK.

6. Let msconfig reboot the computer.

Tim 

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Nancy Lytle [mailto:nancy.lytle at auatac.com] 
	Sent: 07 May 2003 18:24
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] 
	
	
	I have Office XP on a Windows 2003 Beta 2 and just installed
Office 2003 beta along with the Office XP and I have had no trouble with
it except for Outlook 2003 throws an error everytime I exit.  I love
what the new Outlook does, but I am tiring of the Send Error Report
messages.

		-----Original Message-----
		From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rudolf F.
Vanek
		Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:48 PM
		To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
		Subject: [AccessD] 
		
		

		Hi,

		 

		Just received the Office 2003 Beta Kit

		 

		I have Access 2000 and XP installed on my PC.

		 

		Has anybody experienced problems installing Office 2003?

		 

		Thanks

		Rudolf F. Vanek

		 

		 

 

 

		 

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From papparuff at attbi.com  Thu May  8 04:01:37 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 02:01:37 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] -Turn-off Error Reporting Service
In-Reply-To: <0BB2DFBAEF484F4AA077B46F1B165FE6660890@lbrn12.d20.intra>
Message-ID: <005501c31540$72452450$6401a8c0@papparuff>

There is another way of turning it off without having to reboot.
 
Start > Settings > Control Panel > System > Advanced > Error Reporting
Select "Disable Error Reporting", then OK, OK
 
 
 

John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-) 
Always Looking For Contract Opportunities 

Home: 253.588.2139 
Cell: 253.307/2947 
9306 Farwest Dr SW 
Lakewood, WA 98498 

"Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
                and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Pain, T. (Tim)
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:18 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] 


Did you know that in Win XP you can turn off the Error Reporting, I guess it
may also work with Win 2003 -
1. On the Start menu, select Run, enter "msconfig.exe" (don't type the
quotation marks), and click OK.

2. Click the Services tab.

3. Make sure that the Hide All Microsoft Services box is clear.

4. Clear the Error Reporting Service check box.

5. Click OK.

6. Let msconfig reboot the computer.

Tim 

-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Lytle [mailto:nancy.lytle at auatac.com] 
Sent: 07 May 2003 18:24
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] 


I have Office XP on a Windows 2003 Beta 2 and just installed Office 2003
beta along with the Office XP and I have had no trouble with it except for
Outlook 2003 throws an error everytime I exit.  I love what the new Outlook
does, but I am tiring of the Send Error Report messages.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rudolf F. Vanek
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:48 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] 



Hi,

 

Just received the Office 2003 Beta Kit

 

I have Access 2000 and XP installed on my PC.

 

Has anybody experienced problems installing Office 2003?

 

Thanks

Rudolf F. Vanek

 

 


 


 

 

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From viner at eunet.yu  Thu May  8 05:38:05 2003
From: viner at eunet.yu (Ervin Brindza)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 12:38:05 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Insert record into  fake group
Message-ID: <002f01c3154e$06f29760$0100a8c0@razvoj>

Cross posted
Hi,
I need a "little" advice about record order. The fields are: "SchoolId"(Integer) and "SchoolOrder"(Text) which cause the problem. The field "SchoolOrder" is text, not number, because there is a need to insert a new school between two existing ones.
For example:
SchoolID SchoolOrder
1            1
2            2
3            3
and the customer want to insert the fourth school between the first and the second(the new school is somehow related to the first school, creating a "fake group" with the first) then the SchoolOrder is 10 and:
SchoolID SchoolOrder
1            1
4            10
2            2
3            3
The pair(5, 11) will be on the 3. place, the (6, 101) will be behind the (4,10) etc. 
1            1
4            10
6            101
5            11
2            2
3            3

This is all right but what should I do when there are more than 9 "fake groups".
I tried with:
SchoolID SchoolOrder
1            1/1
4            1/2
6            1/3
5            1/4
2            2/1
3            3/1
and in the SQL in the ORDER BY clause to put(separate the left and the right side from the "/"):
Mid([tblSchool].[SchoolOrder],1,InStr([tblSchool].[SchoolOrder],"/")-1) & Mid([tblSchool].[SchoolOrder],InStr([tblSchool].[SchoolOrder],"/")+1,Len([tblSchool].[SchoolOrder]));
I tried wrapping into CInt function but no success too.
I know that additional field to separate the field SchoolOrder parts would solve my problem, but the customer diesn't like the idea to modify the table structure.
Can anyone shed any light?
Many thanks in advance,
    Ervin
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From papparuff at attbi.com  Thu May  8 05:52:54 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 03:52:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Insert record into  fake group
In-Reply-To: <002f01c3154e$06f29760$0100a8c0@razvoj>
Message-ID: <006401c3154f$fab7e020$6401a8c0@papparuff>

I won't ask why so will this work for you? SchoolOrder is a text field.
 
Table1
SchoolID	 SchoolOrder	
1	 001.001	
4	 001.002	
6	 001.003	
5	 001.004	
2	 002.001	
8	 002.002	
10	 002.003	
12	 002.004	
14	 002.005	
15	 002.006	
18	 002.007	
20	 002.008	
21	 002.009	
23	 002.010	
25	 002.011	
3	 003.001	
9	 003.002	
11	 003.003	
13	 003.004	
16	 003.005	
17	 003.006	
19	 003.007	
22	 003.008	
24	 003.009	
26	 003.010	
31	 010.001	
32	 010.002	
33	 011.001	
35	 011.002	
36	 011.003	
34	 012.001	
37	 012.002	
 
 

John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-) 
Always Looking For Contract Opportunities 

Home: 253.588.2139 
Cell: 253.307/2947 
9306 Farwest Dr SW 
Lakewood, WA 98498 

"Commit to the Lord whatever you do, 
                and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ervin Brindza
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 3:38 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Insert record into fake group



Cross posted
Hi,
I need a "little" advice about record order. The fields are:
"SchoolId"(Integer) and "SchoolOrder"(Text) which cause the problem. The
field "SchoolOrder" is text, not number, because there is a need to insert a
new school between two existing ones.
For example:
SchoolID SchoolOrder
1            1
2            2
3            3
and the customer want to insert the fourth school between the first and the
second(the new school is somehow related to the first school, creating a
"fake group" with the first) then the SchoolOrder is 10 and:
SchoolID SchoolOrder
1            1
4            10
2            2
3            3
The pair(5, 11) will be on the 3. place, the (6, 101) will be behind the
(4,10) etc. 
1            1
4            10
6            101
5            11
2            2
3            3
 
This is all right but what should I do when there are more than 9 "fake
groups".
I tried with:
SchoolID SchoolOrder
1            1/1
4            1/2
6            1/3
5            1/4
2            2/1
3            3/1
and in the SQL in the ORDER BY clause to put(separate the left and the right
side from the "/"):
Mid([tblSchool].[SchoolOrder],1,InStr([tblSchool].[SchoolOrder],"/")-1) &
Mid([tblSchool].[SchoolOrder],InStr([tblSchool].[SchoolOrder],"/")+1,Len([tb
lSchool].[SchoolOrder]));
I tried wrapping into CInt function but no success too.
I know that additional field to separate the field SchoolOrder parts would
solve my problem, but the customer diesn't like the idea to modify the table
structure.
Can anyone shed any light?
Many thanks in advance,
    Ervin

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu May  8 06:00:06 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 13:00:06 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Insert record into  fake group
In-Reply-To: <002f01c3154e$06f29760$0100a8c0@razvoj>
References: <002f01c3154e$06f29760$0100a8c0@razvoj>
Message-ID: <4417397976.20030508130006@cactus.dk>

Hi Ervin

I guess you didn't invent this "system" ...?

Why not simply update the SchoolOrder:

  1            1
  4            2
  2            3
  3            4

After all, this must be the purpose of that column?

/gustav


> I need a "little" advice about record order. The fields are: "SchoolId"(Integer) and "SchoolOrder"(Text) which cause the problem. The field "SchoolOrder" is text, not number, because there is a
> need to insert a new school between two existing ones.
> For example:
> SchoolID SchoolOrder
> 1            1
> 2            2
> 3            3
> and the customer want to insert the fourth school between the first and the second(the new school is somehow related to the first school, creating a "fake group" with the first) then the
> SchoolOrder is 10 and:
> SchoolID SchoolOrder
> 1            1
> 4            10
> 2            2
> 3            3

> The pair(5, 11) will be on the 3. place, the (6, 101) will be behind the (4,10) etc.
> 1            1
> 4            10
> 6            101
> 5            11
> 2            2
> 3            3

> This is all right but what should I do when there are more than 9 "fake groups".
> I tried with:
> SchoolID SchoolOrder
> 1            1/1
> 4            1/2
> 6            1/3
> 5            1/4
> 2            2/1
> 3            3/1
> and in the SQL in the ORDER BY clause to put(separate the left and the right side from the "/"):
> Mid([tblSchool].[SchoolOrder],1,InStr([tblSchool].[SchoolOrder],"/")-1) & Mid([tblSchool].[SchoolOrder],InStr([tblSchool].[SchoolOrder],"/")+1,Len([tblSchool].[SchoolOrder]));
> I tried wrapping into CInt function but no success too.
> I know that additional field to separate the field SchoolOrder parts would solve my problem, but the customer diesn't like the idea to modify the table structure.
> Can anyone shed any light?


From viner at eunet.yu  Thu May  8 06:38:26 2003
From: viner at eunet.yu (Ervin Brindza)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 13:38:26 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Insert record into  fake group
References: <006401c3154f$fab7e020$6401a8c0@papparuff>
Message-ID: <004f01c31557$506c03a0$0100a8c0@razvoj>

MessageI won't ask why so will this work for you? SchoolOrder is a text field.
  John,
  many thanks for the quick response. Your suggestion works perfect. The leading zeroes  resolves the problem.
  Many thanks again, and best regards,
      Ervin

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From viner at eunet.yu  Thu May  8 06:44:09 2003
From: viner at eunet.yu (Ervin Brindza)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 13:44:09 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Insert record into  fake group
References: <002f01c3154e$06f29760$0100a8c0@razvoj>
	<4417397976.20030508130006@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <005001c31557$50eaa980$0100a8c0@razvoj>

>
> Why not simply update the SchoolOrder:
>
>   1            1
>   4            2
>   2            3
>   3            4
>
I dont know what do you mean by updating SchoolOrder because the user have
to insert the SchoolOrder, he have to determine the "group" and the order
within the group too. But John suggested inserting a leading zeroes into the
field SchoolOrder(and expanding the field into two parts: group and order),
and that works pretty well.
Thanks anyway,
    Ervin




From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu May  8 07:06:41 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 14:06:41 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Insert record into  fake group
In-Reply-To: <005001c31557$50eaa980$0100a8c0@razvoj>
References: <002f01c3154e$06f29760$0100a8c0@razvoj>
 <4417397976.20030508130006@cactus.dk> <005001c31557$50eaa980$0100a8c0@razvoj>
Message-ID: <5121392360.20030508140641@cactus.dk>

Hi Ervin

>> Why not simply update the SchoolOrder:
>>
>>   1            1
>>   4            2
>>   2            3
>>   3            4
>>
> I dont know what do you mean by updating SchoolOrder because the user have
> to insert the SchoolOrder, he have to determine the "group" and the order
> within the group too. But John suggested inserting a leading zeroes into the
> field SchoolOrder(and expanding the field into two parts: group and order),
> and that works pretty well.

That's very simple. When the user decides an order number for a new
school, update the schools with that or a higher order by one and
add the new school with the decided order.

/gustav


From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Thu May  8 07:20:49 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 07:20:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357C8@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Dave,
 
Nice article, but it does not discuss the specific type of subquery that
is the subject of the original questioner; namely, the [ ]. syntax for
subqueries.
 

Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 

-----Original Message-----
From: dave sharpe [mailto:davesharpe2 at cox.net] 
Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 21:42
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


Friends I found this on the subject and thought that
it might be of benefit to some members of the group.
 
http://www.nesug.org/Proceedings/nesug98/dbas/p005.pdf
 
Dave
 

	----- Original Message ----- 
	From: Wortz, Charles <mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>  
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
	Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:45 PM
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery

	Also, about a year ago this subject was brought up with about
the same
	amount of information documented.
	
	Charles Wortz
	-----Original Message-----
	From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
	Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 11:16
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
	
	But, Gustav, we just created references to it here! <VBG>
	
	Charlotte Foust
	
	-----Original Message-----
	From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
	Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:51 PM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
	
	
	Hi Charlotte
	
	> ..  If you ever find it in help, for goodness sake, post the
reference
	
	> here!
	
	I would say: if you ever find any reference to this, post it
here.
	
	/gustav
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From viner at eunet.yu  Thu May  8 07:29:09 2003
From: viner at eunet.yu (Ervin Brindza)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 14:29:09 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Insert record into  fake group
References: <002f01c3154e$06f29760$0100a8c0@razvoj>
	<4417397976.20030508130006@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <002901c3155d$cba90760$0100a8c0@razvoj>

> Why not simply update the SchoolOrder:
Gustav,
I think you were right that sometimes I have to update the field
SchoolOrder. If I use John's system(and I think I will) where the
SchoolOrder consist from 2 parts: "Group.OrderInGroup" everything is ok,
except when arise a new group which have to shift the existing groups or
orders...
I have to admit that part "Group" here means City, the part "OrderInGroup"
is order within a group(within a city) and the field SchoolOrder is here to
sort schools in order how will salesperson visit them.
E.g. when new first group arise then each Group have to be incremented. The
same is for the part OrderInGroup: e.g. when arise new first in some group
then the part OrderInGroup have to be incremented...
Thanks anyway, I'll try to make some update queries tomorrow.
Best regards,
    Ervin




From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Thu May  8 07:50:16 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 12:50:16 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Visual Basic 6 (temp files)
Message-ID: <20030508125016.LXIS28680.fep03-svc.ttys.com@localhost>

To all,

I have been working with Visual Basic 6 for around 18 months now and have noticed that VB temp files get placed virtually anywhere, so a couple of stupid questions to follow......

1.  Are these temp files really required ?
2.  If they are, is there anyway to put them in a specific directory ?

Thanks in advance.....

Paul

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu May  8 07:55:00 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 14:55:00 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Insert record into  fake group
In-Reply-To: <002901c3155d$cba90760$0100a8c0@razvoj>
References: <002f01c3154e$06f29760$0100a8c0@razvoj>
 <4417397976.20030508130006@cactus.dk> <002901c3155d$cba90760$0100a8c0@razvoj>
Message-ID: <12924291649.20030508145500@cactus.dk>

Hi Ervin

Before you'll get beaten by the normalization gurus of the list (I'm
one but I don't beat) you should consider to split those sort orders
out to separate (numeric) fields. In the long run I'm convinced it'll
save you a lot of trouble.

/gustav


>> Why not simply update the SchoolOrder:

> I think you were right that sometimes I have to update the field
> SchoolOrder. If I use John's system(and I think I will) where the
> SchoolOrder consist from 2 parts: "Group.OrderInGroup" everything is ok,
> except when arise a new group which have to shift the existing groups or
> orders...

> I have to admit that part "Group" here means City, the part "OrderInGroup"
> is order within a group(within a city) and the field SchoolOrder is here to
> sort schools in order how will salesperson visit them.
> E.g. when new first group arise then each Group have to be incremented. The
> same is for the part OrderInGroup: e.g. when arise new first in some group
> then the part OrderInGroup have to be incremented...

> Thanks anyway, I'll try to make some update queries tomorrow.


From delliker at hotmail.com  Thu May  8 08:11:41 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 09:11:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
Message-ID: <Law12-F3OSveSQDslHt00006a80@hotmail.com>

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From davesharpe2 at cox.net  Thu May  8 08:40:48 2003
From: davesharpe2 at cox.net (davesharpe2 at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 9:40:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <20030508134048.NBIT23518.lakemtao03.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

Charles, I agree. 

One thing I would like to note that I'm not
sure that I see the significance of the
"[ ]. syntax" ( while I agree that it works ).

I get the same results using the following
two queries. ( I regret that my client word-
wrapped the examples )

================================
1 - Using [ ].
SELECT
Count(*) AS DaysUnique
FROM
[SELECT DISTINCT po_date  FROM LAW70_PURCHORDER]. AS subDistinctDays

2 - Using a normal "SubQuery in the From Clause"
SELECT
Count(*) AS DaysUnique
FROM
(SELECT DISTINCT po_date  FROM LAW70_PURCHORDER) AS subDistinctDays

Dave

> 
> From: "Wortz, Charles" <CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>
> Date: 2003/05/08 Thu AM 08:20:49 EDT
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> Dave,
>  
> Nice article, but it does not discuss the specific type of subquery that
> is the subject of the original questioner; namely, the [ ]. syntax for
> subqueries.
>  
> 
> Charles Wortz 
> Software Development Division 
> Texas Education Agency 
> 1701 N. Congress Ave 
> Austin, TX 78701-1494 
> 512-463-9493 
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dave sharpe [mailto:davesharpe2 at cox.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 21:42
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> 
> Friends I found this on the subject and thought that
> it might be of benefit to some members of the group.
>  
> http://www.nesug.org/Proceedings/nesug98/dbas/p005.pdf
>  
> Dave
>  
> 
> 	----- Original Message ----- 
> 	From: Wortz, Charles <mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>  
> 	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> 	Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:45 PM
> 	Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> 	Also, about a year ago this subject was brought up with about
> the same
> 	amount of information documented.
> 	
> 	Charles Wortz
> 	-----Original Message-----
> 	From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
> 	Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 11:16
> 	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> 	Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 	
> 	But, Gustav, we just created references to it here! <VBG>
> 	
> 	Charlotte Foust
> 	
> 	-----Original Message-----
> 	From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
> 	Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:51 PM
> 	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> 	Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 	
> 	
> 	Hi Charlotte
> 	
> 	> ..  If you ever find it in help, for goodness sake, post the
> reference
> 	
> 	> here!
> 	
> 	I would say: if you ever find any reference to this, post it
> here.
> 	
> 	/gustav
> 	_______________________________________________
> 	AccessD mailing list
> 	AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> 	http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> 	Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 	
> 
> 
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu May  8 08:51:52 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 09:51:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B90@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

A97 generates an error (Syntax error in FROM clause) using the second syntax but not the []. syntax

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: davesharpe2 at cox.net [mailto:davesharpe2 at cox.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 9:41 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


Charles, I agree. 

One thing I would like to note that I'm not
sure that I see the significance of the
"[ ]. syntax" ( while I agree that it works ).

I get the same results using the following
two queries. ( I regret that my client word-
wrapped the examples )

================================
1 - Using [ ].
SELECT
Count(*) AS DaysUnique
FROM
[SELECT DISTINCT po_date  FROM LAW70_PURCHORDER]. AS subDistinctDays

2 - Using a normal "SubQuery in the From Clause"
SELECT
Count(*) AS DaysUnique
FROM
(SELECT DISTINCT po_date  FROM LAW70_PURCHORDER) AS subDistinctDays

Dave

> 
> From: "Wortz, Charles" <CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>
> Date: 2003/05/08 Thu AM 08:20:49 EDT
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> Dave,
>  
> Nice article, but it does not discuss the specific type of subquery that
> is the subject of the original questioner; namely, the [ ]. syntax for
> subqueries.
>  
> 
> Charles Wortz 
> Software Development Division 
> Texas Education Agency 
> 1701 N. Congress Ave 
> Austin, TX 78701-1494 
> 512-463-9493 
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dave sharpe [mailto:davesharpe2 at cox.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 21:42
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> 
> Friends I found this on the subject and thought that
> it might be of benefit to some members of the group.
>  
> http://www.nesug.org/Proceedings/nesug98/dbas/p005.pdf
>  
> Dave
>  
> 
> 	----- Original Message ----- 
> 	From: Wortz, Charles <mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>  
> 	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> 	Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:45 PM
> 	Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> 	Also, about a year ago this subject was brought up with about
> the same
> 	amount of information documented.
> 	
> 	Charles Wortz
> 	-----Original Message-----
> 	From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
> 	Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 11:16
> 	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> 	Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 	
> 	But, Gustav, we just created references to it here! <VBG>
> 	
> 	Charlotte Foust
> 	
> 	-----Original Message-----
> 	From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
> 	Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:51 PM
> 	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> 	Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 	
> 	
> 	Hi Charlotte
> 	
> 	> ..  If you ever find it in help, for goodness sake, post the
> reference
> 	
> 	> here!
> 	
> 	I would say: if you ever find any reference to this, post it
> here.
> 	
> 	/gustav
> 	_______________________________________________
> 	AccessD mailing list
> 	AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> 	http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> 	Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 	
> 
> 
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 


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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Thu May  8 09:00:48 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 09:00:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F877FC@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Dave,

I have to agree with you.  From the article you cited, we can see how to
write regular subqueries.  So why the special []. syntax exists, and
what does it do that the regular subquery cannot do, still has not been
explained.

Maybe somebody that is between projects will take the time to
investigate what []. does and will report back to us.  Many-to-Many is
always looking for good articles.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: davesharpe2 at cox.net [mailto:davesharpe2 at cox.net] 
Sent: Thursday 2003 May 08 08:41
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
I
Charles, I agree. 

One thing I would like to note that I'm not
sure that I see the significance of the
"[ ]. syntax" ( while I agree that it works ).

I get the same results using the following
two queries. ( I regret that my client word-
wrapped the examples )

================================
1 - Using [ ].
SELECT
Count(*) AS DaysUnique
FROM
[SELECT DISTINCT po_date  FROM LAW70_PURCHORDER]. AS subDistinctDays

2 - Using a normal "SubQuery in the From Clause"
SELECT
Count(*) AS DaysUnique
FROM
(SELECT DISTINCT po_date  FROM LAW70_PURCHORDER) AS subDistinctDays

Dave

> 
> From: "Wortz, Charles" <CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>
> Date: 2003/05/08 Thu AM 08:20:49 EDT
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> Dave,
>  
> Nice article, but it does not discuss the specific type of subquery 
> that is the subject of the original questioner; namely, the [ ]. 
> syntax for subqueries.
>  
> 
> Charles Wortz
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dave sharpe [mailto:davesharpe2 at cox.net]
> Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 21:42
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> 
> Friends I found this on the subject and thought that
> it might be of benefit to some members of the group.
>  
> http://www.nesug.org/Proceedings/nesug98/dbas/p005.pdf
>  
> Dave
>  
> 
> 	----- Original Message ----- 
> 	From: Wortz, Charles <mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>  
> 	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> 	Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:45 PM
> 	Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> 	Also, about a year ago this subject was brought up with about
the 
> same
> 	amount of information documented.
> 	
> 	Charles Wortz
> 	-----Original Message-----
> 	From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
> 	Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 11:16
> 	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> 	Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 	
> 	But, Gustav, we just created references to it here! <VBG>
> 	
> 	Charlotte Foust
> 	
> 	-----Original Message-----
> 	From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
> 	Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:51 PM
> 	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> 	Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 	
> 	
> 	Hi Charlotte
> 	
> 	> ..  If you ever find it in help, for goodness sake, post the 
> reference
> 	
> 	> here!
> 	
> 	I would say: if you ever find any reference to this, post it
here.
> 	
> 	/gustav

From todd_5036 at msn.com  Thu May  8 09:18:56 2003
From: todd_5036 at msn.com (Todd Buttrey)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 09:18:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 97 and virtual DOS
Message-ID: <BAY4-F17PiNDcvMemAs00008598@hotmail.com>

I have an Access 97 app that I created and distribute with the run-time 
version of Access 97.  Everything works just fine (or atleast as designed).  
My question is that when the app is launched, two entries appear in the task 
manager, ntvdm.exe and wowexec.exe.  This implies that something is trying 
to run in the 16-bit world.  I know that Access 97 is 32-bit.  I would like 
to remove whatever is trying to run in 16-bit to possibly make the app more 
efficient and faster.  Any clues?

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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Thu May  8 09:37:35 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 09:37:35 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Disabling Links in Excel
In-Reply-To: <BAY4-F17PiNDcvMemAs00008598@hotmail.com>
References: <BAY4-F17PiNDcvMemAs00008598@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <36629.199.67.140.20.1052404655.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>

Hey

I have an excel dovument that is linked to others, that I have to send to
several people each day. When they click for it to open it promts whether
they wish to update the links. I am looking at the document right now to
see how I can disable the links after its finished. The only options I see
are "Update Now", "Open Source", and "Change Source". Does anyone know how
to do it ?

Oleg


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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Thu May  8 09:41:01 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 10:41:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Insert record into  fake group
References: <002f01c3154e$06f29760$0100a8c0@razvoj>
	<4417397976.20030508130006@cactus.dk> <002901c3155d$cba90760$0100a8c0@razvoj>
	<12924291649.20030508145500@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <003d01c3156f$d8c44380$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

"I'm one but I don't beat"

...just don't mention Novell anywhere within a parsec of gustav! :))))))

William Hindman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert record into fake group


> Hi Ervin
>
> Before you'll get beaten by the normalization gurus of the list (I'm
> one but I don't beat) you should consider to split those sort orders
> out to separate (numeric) fields. In the long run I'm convinced it'll
> save you a lot of trouble.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >> Why not simply update the SchoolOrder:
>
> > I think you were right that sometimes I have to update the field
> > SchoolOrder. If I use John's system(and I think I will) where the
> > SchoolOrder consist from 2 parts: "Group.OrderInGroup" everything is ok,
> > except when arise a new group which have to shift the existing groups or
> > orders...
>
> > I have to admit that part "Group" here means City, the part
"OrderInGroup"
> > is order within a group(within a city) and the field SchoolOrder is here
to
> > sort schools in order how will salesperson visit them.
> > E.g. when new first group arise then each Group have to be incremented.
The
> > same is for the part OrderInGroup: e.g. when arise new first in some
group
> > then the part OrderInGroup have to be incremented...
>
> > Thanks anyway, I'll try to make some update queries tomorrow.
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu May  8 09:50:38 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 10:50:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Insert record into  fake group
In-Reply-To: <003d01c3156f$d8c44380$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEPNDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

ROTFL.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:41 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert record into fake group


"I'm one but I don't beat"

...just don't mention Novell anywhere within a parsec of gustav! :))))))

William Hindman
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert record into fake group


> Hi Ervin
>
> Before you'll get beaten by the normalization gurus of the list (I'm
> one but I don't beat) you should consider to split those sort orders
> out to separate (numeric) fields. In the long run I'm convinced it'll
> save you a lot of trouble.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >> Why not simply update the SchoolOrder:
>
> > I think you were right that sometimes I have to update the field
> > SchoolOrder. If I use John's system(and I think I will) where the
> > SchoolOrder consist from 2 parts: "Group.OrderInGroup" everything is ok,
> > except when arise a new group which have to shift the existing groups or
> > orders...
>
> > I have to admit that part "Group" here means City, the part
"OrderInGroup"
> > is order within a group(within a city) and the field SchoolOrder is here
to
> > sort schools in order how will salesperson visit them.
> > E.g. when new first group arise then each Group have to be incremented.
The
> > same is for the part OrderInGroup: e.g. when arise new first in some
group
> > then the part OrderInGroup have to be incremented...
>
> > Thanks anyway, I'll try to make some update queries tomorrow.
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu May  8 09:51:16 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 10:51:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Insert record into  fake group
In-Reply-To: <003d01c3156f$d8c44380$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEPNDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Or internationalization!!!

<grin>

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:41 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert record into fake group


"I'm one but I don't beat"

...just don't mention Novell anywhere within a parsec of gustav! :))))))

William Hindman
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert record into fake group


> Hi Ervin
>
> Before you'll get beaten by the normalization gurus of the list (I'm
> one but I don't beat) you should consider to split those sort orders
> out to separate (numeric) fields. In the long run I'm convinced it'll
> save you a lot of trouble.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >> Why not simply update the SchoolOrder:
>
> > I think you were right that sometimes I have to update the field
> > SchoolOrder. If I use John's system(and I think I will) where the
> > SchoolOrder consist from 2 parts: "Group.OrderInGroup" everything is ok,
> > except when arise a new group which have to shift the existing groups or
> > orders...
>
> > I have to admit that part "Group" here means City, the part
"OrderInGroup"
> > is order within a group(within a city) and the field SchoolOrder is here
to
> > sort schools in order how will salesperson visit them.
> > E.g. when new first group arise then each Group have to be incremented.
The
> > same is for the part OrderInGroup: e.g. when arise new first in some
group
> > then the part OrderInGroup have to be incremented...
>
> > Thanks anyway, I'll try to make some update queries tomorrow.
>
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Thu May  8 09:56:41 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 10:56:41 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF4038977BB@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

It seems to me that the [Select * from Foo].  syntax allows one to create
queries in Access that use a sub-query as the base table. In other words you
don't need a temporary table or an already saved query. This is something
I've often wished I could do, if only the [ ]. syntax was documented
somewhere. 

Which begs the question - just how did this special syntax get discovered?
It always intrigues me when someone pops out of the woods and says "hey look
at this undocumented feature..."

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Wortz, Charles [SMTP:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us]
> Sent:	Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:01 AM
> To:	accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject:	RE: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> Dave,
> 
> I have to agree with you.  From the article you cited, we can see how to
> write regular subqueries.  So why the special []. syntax exists, and
> what does it do that the regular subquery cannot do, still has not been
> explained.
> 
> Maybe somebody that is between projects will take the time to
> investigate what []. does and will report back to us.  Many-to-Many is
> always looking for good articles.
> 
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
> 
> 
> 

From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May  8 10:04:53 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 08:04:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F1D@infoserver01.infostat.local>

That is exactly what it does.  I discovered it by accident when I tried
to use a subquery that way and discovered that the SQL editor switched
my regular parens to square brackets and a period.  I don't know how
anyone else might have found it.  All I can suggest is that you try it.
You will need to alias the in-line subquery in order to refer to its
fields in a join.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 6:57 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


It seems to me that the [Select * from Foo].  syntax allows one to
create queries in Access that use a sub-query as the base table. In
other words you don't need a temporary table or an already saved query.
This is something I've often wished I could do, if only the [ ]. syntax
was documented somewhere. 

Which begs the question - just how did this special syntax get
discovered? It always intrigues me when someone pops out of the woods
and says "hey look at this undocumented feature..."

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Wortz, Charles [SMTP:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us]
> Sent:	Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:01 AM
> To:	accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject:	RE: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> Dave,
> 
> I have to agree with you.  From the article you cited, we can see how 
> to write regular subqueries.  So why the special []. syntax exists, 
> and what does it do that the regular subquery cannot do, still has not

> been explained.
> 
> Maybe somebody that is between projects will take the time to 
> investigate what []. does and will report back to us.  Many-to-Many is

> always looking for good articles.
> 
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
> 
> 
> 
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From delliker at hotmail.com  Thu May  8 10:06:10 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 11:06:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 97 and virtual DOS
Message-ID: <Law12-F109gGLcJqZpi000070ef@hotmail.com>

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May  8 10:09:44 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 08:09:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F1E@infoserver01.infostat.local>

In A97, the parens didn't work.  Even in later versions, I've seen the
query editor change the parens to the []. Syntax after you save the
query and reopen the SQL.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: davesharpe2 at cox.net [mailto:davesharpe2 at cox.net] 
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 5:41 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


Charles, I agree. 

One thing I would like to note that I'm not
sure that I see the significance of the
"[ ]. syntax" ( while I agree that it works ).

I get the same results using the following
two queries. ( I regret that my client word-
wrapped the examples )

================================
1 - Using [ ].
SELECT
Count(*) AS DaysUnique
FROM
[SELECT DISTINCT po_date  FROM LAW70_PURCHORDER]. AS subDistinctDays

2 - Using a normal "SubQuery in the From Clause"
SELECT
Count(*) AS DaysUnique
FROM
(SELECT DISTINCT po_date  FROM LAW70_PURCHORDER) AS subDistinctDays

Dave

> 
> From: "Wortz, Charles" <CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>
> Date: 2003/05/08 Thu AM 08:20:49 EDT
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> Dave,
>  
> Nice article, but it does not discuss the specific type of subquery 
> that is the subject of the original questioner; namely, the [ ]. 
> syntax for subqueries.
>  
> 
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division 
> Texas Education Agency 
> 1701 N. Congress Ave 
> Austin, TX 78701-1494 
> 512-463-9493 
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dave sharpe [mailto:davesharpe2 at cox.net]
> Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 21:42
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> 
> Friends I found this on the subject and thought that
> it might be of benefit to some members of the group.
>  
> http://www.nesug.org/Proceedings/nesug98/dbas/p005.pdf
>  
> Dave
>  
> 
> 	----- Original Message ----- 
> 	From: Wortz, Charles <mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>  
> 	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> 	Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:45 PM
> 	Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> 	Also, about a year ago this subject was brought up with about
the 
> same
> 	amount of information documented.
> 	
> 	Charles Wortz
> 	-----Original Message-----
> 	From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
> 	Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 11:16
> 	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> 	Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 	
> 	But, Gustav, we just created references to it here! <VBG>
> 	
> 	Charlotte Foust
> 	
> 	-----Original Message-----
> 	From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
> 	Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:51 PM
> 	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> 	Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 	
> 	
> 	Hi Charlotte
> 	
> 	> ..  If you ever find it in help, for goodness sake, post the 
> reference
> 	
> 	> here!
> 	
> 	I would say: if you ever find any reference to this, post it
here.
> 	
> 	/gustav
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> 
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> 

From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May  8 10:10:43 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 08:10:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access 97 and virtual DOS
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F1F@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Maybe an ActiveX control.
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
	Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 7:06 AM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 97 and virtual DOS
	
	

	Perhaps an aliased call to the API from some copied code? For
common dialog or somesuch thing?

	_d 
	

	"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for
them." 
	
	>From: "Todd Buttrey" 
	>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
	>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
	>Subject: [AccessD] Access 97 and virtual DOS 
	>Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 09:18:56 -0500 
	> 
	>I have an Access 97 app that I created and distribute with the 
	>run-time version of Access 97. Everything works just fine (or 
	>atleast as designed). My question is that when the app is
launched, 
	>two entries appear in the task manager, ntvdm.exe and
wowexec.exe. 
	>This implies that something is trying to run in the 16-bit
world. I 
	>know that Access 97 is 32-bit. I would like to remove whatever
is 
	>trying to run in 16-bit to possibly make the app more efficient
and 
	>faster. Any clues? 
	> 
	
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From john at winhaven.net  Thu May  8 10:13:48 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 10:13:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
In-Reply-To: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F877FC@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIAECCEHAA.john@winhaven.net>

I read about this syntax in Access Advisor a couple of years ago. It was
something a user wrote in for a tip. Ken Getz (tips editor) had the same
reaction that everyone else seems to have - how did you figure this out?! He
couldn't find it documented anywhere.

I pulled it out from my collection a couple of months ago to review it and
now I can't find that issue! When I find it again I will share it and the
author's name.

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz, Charles
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 9:01 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
>
>
> Dave,
>
> I have to agree with you.  From the article you cited, we can see how to
> write regular subqueries.  So why the special []. syntax exists, and
> what does it do that the regular subquery cannot do, still has not been
> explained.
>
> Maybe somebody that is between projects will take the time to
> investigate what []. does and will report back to us.  Many-to-Many is
> always looking for good articles.
>
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: davesharpe2 at cox.net [mailto:davesharpe2 at cox.net]
> Sent: Thursday 2003 May 08 08:41
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> I
> Charles, I agree.
>
> One thing I would like to note that I'm not
> sure that I see the significance of the
> "[ ]. syntax" ( while I agree that it works ).
>
> I get the same results using the following
> two queries. ( I regret that my client word-
> wrapped the examples )
>
> ================================
> 1 - Using [ ].
> SELECT
> Count(*) AS DaysUnique
> FROM
> [SELECT DISTINCT po_date  FROM LAW70_PURCHORDER]. AS subDistinctDays
>
> 2 - Using a normal "SubQuery in the From Clause"
> SELECT
> Count(*) AS DaysUnique
> FROM
> (SELECT DISTINCT po_date  FROM LAW70_PURCHORDER) AS subDistinctDays
>
> Dave
>
> >
> > From: "Wortz, Charles" <CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>
> > Date: 2003/05/08 Thu AM 08:20:49 EDT
> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> >
> > Dave,
> >
> > Nice article, but it does not discuss the specific type of subquery
> > that is the subject of the original questioner; namely, the [ ].
> > syntax for subqueries.
> >
> >
> > Charles Wortz
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dave sharpe [mailto:davesharpe2 at cox.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 21:42
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> >
> >
> > Friends I found this on the subject and thought that
> > it might be of benefit to some members of the group.
> >
> > http://www.nesug.org/Proceedings/nesug98/dbas/p005.pdf
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > 	----- Original Message -----
> > 	From: Wortz, Charles <mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>
> > 	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > 	Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:45 PM
> > 	Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> >
> > 	Also, about a year ago this subject was brought up with about
> the
> > same
> > 	amount of information documented.
> >
> > 	Charles Wortz
> > 	-----Original Message-----
> > 	From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> > 	Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 11:16
> > 	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > 	Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> >
> > 	But, Gustav, we just created references to it here! <VBG>
> >
> > 	Charlotte Foust
> >
> > 	-----Original Message-----
> > 	From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> > 	Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:51 PM
> > 	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > 	Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> >
> >
> > 	Hi Charlotte
> >
> > 	> ..  If you ever find it in help, for goodness sake, post the
> > reference
> >
> > 	> here!
> >
> > 	I would say: if you ever find any reference to this, post it
> here.
> >
> > 	/gustav
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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Thu May  8 10:14:11 2003
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 11:14:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT:Turning off Internet Access in Win2000-Solved
Message-ID: <Law14-F43l1KNFR1pIu00002a7c@hotmail.com>

Just to let all of you know, this is what a friend of mine suggested:

Make sure local hard drive is formatted NTFS.

    In IE,  under Tools, Internet Options, Connections, edit LAN Settings
to use a false proxy server (like 10.0.0.1).   Check "bypass proxy for
intranet connections" if they need to browse a local resource.

    Right click on the folder "C:\Program Files\Internet
Explorer\Connection Wizard" and select Properties.  Clear the check box at
the bottom that refers to inheriting permissions, and select Copy
permissions when prompted.

     Add Domain Admins and Administrators, give them Full Control, then
remove Everyone.

     Follow same procedure for files C:\WINNT\SYSTEM32\INETCPL.CPL, and C:
\Program Files\Internet Explorer\Iexplore.exe.

This will restrict anyone but Domain Admins and Administrators from running
Internet Explorer, running the Connection Wizard, or changing the Internet
Options.


Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
www.pro-soft.net

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu May  8 10:15:12 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 17:15:12 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
In-Reply-To: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF4038977BB@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
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Message-ID: <13632704166.20030508171512@cactus.dk>

Hi Lambert

> It seems to me that the [Select * from Foo].  syntax allows one to create
> queries in Access that use a sub-query as the base table. In other words you
> don't need a temporary table or an already saved query. This is something
> I've often wished I could do, if only the [ ]. syntax was documented
> somewhere. 

> Which begs the question - just how did this special syntax get discovered?
> It always intrigues me when someone pops out of the woods and says "hey look
> at this undocumented feature..."

It was someone called Paul in July 2001 that mentioned it as common
knowledge ...

/gustav


From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu May  8 10:18:42 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 17:18:42 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Disabling Links in Excel
In-Reply-To: <36629.199.67.140.20.1052404655.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>
References: <BAY4-F17PiNDcvMemAs00008598@hotmail.com>
 <36629.199.67.140.20.1052404655.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <19832913937.20030508171842@cactus.dk>

Hi Oleg

If you use the workbook just for sending data with no need for
formulas you can replace all formulas and links of the cells with the
calculated values.

/gustav


> I have an excel dovument that is linked to others, that I have to send to
> several people each day. When they click for it to open it promts whether
> they wish to update the links. I am looking at the document right now to
> see how I can disable the links after its finished. The only options I see
> are "Update Now", "Open Source", and "Change Source". Does anyone know how
> to do it ?

> Oleg


From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu May  8 10:34:48 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 17:34:48 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Insert record into  fake group
In-Reply-To: <003d01c3156f$d8c44380$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>
References: <002f01c3154e$06f29760$0100a8c0@razvoj>
 <4417397976.20030508130006@cactus.dk> <002901c3155d$cba90760$0100a8c0@razvoj>
 <12924291649.20030508145500@cactus.dk>
 <003d01c3156f$d8c44380$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>
Message-ID: <17033879476.20030508173448@cactus.dk>

Hi William and John

Now see what happens after I've been nice to both of you for a long
time! 

(Of course that's 'cause I know William has been dismantled while
goofing around with his Win profiles and John is lost in his .net
extravaganza) 

/gustav


> "I'm one but I don't beat"

> ...just don't mention Novell anywhere within a parsec of gustav! :))))))

> William Hindman
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 8:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert record into fake group


>> Hi Ervin
>>
>> Before you'll get beaten by the normalization gurus of the list (I'm
>> one but I don't beat) you should consider to split those sort orders
>> out to separate (numeric) fields. In the long run I'm convinced it'll
>> save you a lot of trouble.


From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Thu May  8 10:35:42 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 10:35:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Disabling Links in Excel
In-Reply-To: <19832913937.20030508171842@cactus.dk>
References: <BAY4-F17PiNDcvMemAs00008598@hotmail.com>
        <36629.199.67.140.20.1052404655.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>
        <19832913937.20030508171842@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <55337.199.67.140.20.1052408142.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>

Gustav,

you mean cop/paste special-values ?
I've done that; it get read of 4 links, but still keeps one. And there is
still that "Would you like to refresh the lnik" message which management
doesn't like.

> Hi Oleg
>
> If you use the workbook just for sending data with no need for
> formulas you can replace all formulas and links of the cells with the
> calculated values.
>
> /gustav
>
>
>> I have an excel dovument that is linked to others, that I have to send
>> to several people each day. When they click for it to open it promts
>> whether they wish to update the links. I am looking at the document
>> right now to see how I can disable the links after its finished. The
>> only options I see are "Update Now", "Open Source", and "Change
>> Source". Does anyone know how to do it ?
>
>> Oleg
>
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From todd_5036 at msn.com  Thu May  8 10:55:22 2003
From: todd_5036 at msn.com (Todd Buttrey)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 10:55:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 97 and virtual DOS
Message-ID: <BAY4-F286i9J1Mm3xFK00008c88@hotmail.com>

I'll check and see.  It originally was a 2.0 app that I converted to 97.  I 
may have missed a few calls.

Thanks


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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 97 and virtual DOS
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 11:06:10 -0400

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From todd_5036 at msn.com  Thu May  8 10:57:10 2003
From: todd_5036 at msn.com (Todd Buttrey)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 10:57:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 97 and virtual DOS
Message-ID: <BAY4-F32nDAPk6ayc7b00008ea8@hotmail.com>

There originally was a tab control when it was a 2.0 app.  I tool it out 
when I converted it to 97. There were no other 3rd party ActiveX controls.  
Thanks


----Original Message Follows----
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 97 and virtual DOS
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 08:10:43 -0700

Maybe an ActiveX control.

Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com]
	Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 7:06 AM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 97 and virtual DOS



	Perhaps an aliased call to the API from some copied code? For
common dialog or somesuch thing?

	_d


	"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for
them."

	>From: "Todd Buttrey"
	>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	>Subject: [AccessD] Access 97 and virtual DOS
	>Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 09:18:56 -0500
	>
	>I have an Access 97 app that I created and distribute with the
	>run-time version of Access 97. Everything works just fine (or
	>atleast as designed). My question is that when the app is
launched,
	>two entries appear in the task manager, ntvdm.exe and
wowexec.exe.
	>This implies that something is trying to run in the 16-bit
world. I
	>know that Access 97 is 32-bit. I would like to remove whatever
is
	>trying to run in 16-bit to possibly make the app more efficient
and
	>faster. Any clues?
	>

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu May  8 11:29:31 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 09:29:31 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT:Turning off Internet Access in Win2000-Solved
In-Reply-To: <Law14-F43l1KNFR1pIu00002a7c@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFKEPKCHAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Great piece of information Julie...

Jim

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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Reardon-Taylor
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 8:14 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT:Turning off Internet Access in Win2000-Solved


Just to let all of you know, this is what a friend of mine suggested:

Make sure local hard drive is formatted NTFS.

    In IE,  under Tools, Internet Options, Connections, edit LAN Settings
to use a false proxy server (like 10.0.0.1).   Check "bypass proxy for
intranet connections" if they need to browse a local resource.

    Right click on the folder "C:\Program Files\Internet
Explorer\Connection Wizard" and select Properties.  Clear the check box at
the bottom that refers to inheriting permissions, and select Copy
permissions when prompted.

     Add Domain Admins and Administrators, give them Full Control, then
remove Everyone.

     Follow same procedure for files C:\WINNT\SYSTEM32\INETCPL.CPL, and C:
\Program Files\Internet Explorer\Iexplore.exe.

This will restrict anyone but Domain Admins and Administrators from running
Internet Explorer, running the Connection Wizard, or changing the Internet
Options.


Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
www.pro-soft.net

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From john at winhaven.net  Thu May  8 11:45:56 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 11:45:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
In-Reply-To: <13632704166.20030508171512@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJMEEOEFAA.john@winhaven.net>

Ah, man on a mission - I found the issue of Access Advisor.

It was December 2001 Advisor Tips

"Creating Derived Tables in Jet"

Access 2002/200/97

SQL Server lets you create derived tables, which are SELECT statements that
appear in the FROM clause of a query. In other words, you can select from
the resultset returned by a nested SELECT  statement. There is no documented
way to accomplish this in a Jet query without using a saved nested query,
but there is a, but there is a little-known synatx that makes it possible.
The following query runs in Access 97 and uses a derived table named "GIO"
which is not a saved object. The derived table must be enclosed in square
brackets and terminated with a period: [<Select Staement>].

SELECT Products.ProductName, Products.UnitPrice, Gio.CatAvg,
Categories.CategoryName
FROM (Products INNER JOIN [SELECT Products.CategoryID,
Categories.CategoryName, Avg(Products.UnitPrice) AS CatAvg
FROM Categories
INNER JOIN Products
ON Categories.CategoryID = Products.CategoryID
GROUP BY Products.CategoryID, Categories.CategoryName]. AS Gio ON
Gio.CategoryID = Products.CategoryID) INNER JOIN Categories ON
Products.CategoryID = Categories.CategoryID
ORDER BY Products.ProductID;

-Giovanni Caruso, via Andy Barron, Contributing Editor

Open Northwind DB and paste the listed select statement into the SQL window
of a query, save it and then run it to see the results. Don't try to run
before saving though because the query design grid will mess it up really
bad.

I checked the archives of every other access list I know of and other than
"Paul's" response to Gustav on AccessD in mid 2001 it is the earliest
reference to this syntax I can find. Given that Giovanni's tip was probably
submitted months before it was actually published it would be hard to know
which was first. It could be coincidence that both of them originated at
roughly the same time. But then again, I have seen a lot of tips in
newsletters and magazines, from both readers and staff, that seem to arrive
shortly after an item was discussed on one list or another! Maybe Giovanni
saw the tip here and really wanted one of those t-shirts from Access
Advisor!

JB



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:15 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
>
>
> Hi Lambert
>
> > It seems to me that the [Select * from Foo].  syntax allows one
> to create
> > queries in Access that use a sub-query as the base table. In
> other words you
> > don't need a temporary table or an already saved query. This is
> something
> > I've often wished I could do, if only the [ ]. syntax was documented
> > somewhere.
>
> > Which begs the question - just how did this special syntax get
> discovered?
> > It always intrigues me when someone pops out of the woods and
> says "hey look
> > at this undocumented feature..."
>
> It was someone called Paul in July 2001 that mentioned it as common
> knowledge ...
>
> /gustav
>
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>
>



From nancy.lytle at auatac.com  Thu May  8 12:30:31 2003
From: nancy.lytle at auatac.com (Nancy Lytle)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 13:30:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
Message-ID: <OPEHJDCMPKDOHDELKBPHGEHNDLAA.nancy.lytle@auatac.com>

Can anyone see what is wrong with this statement?
I have a feeling it has to do with quote marks but I have been pulling my
hair out trying to get it,  I guess I just can't see the forrest for the
trees.

strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription],
[ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values "
strSQLInsert = strSQLInsert & "('" & lngErrNumber & "' ,'" &
Left(strErrDescription, 255) & "' ,'" & Now() & "', '" & fcnOSUserName & "',
'" & vShowUser & "', '" & strCallingProc & "')"

This is how it reads when I try and do the insert:
insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], [UserName],
[ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is
misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:28:00 PM',
'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')

Thanks,
Nancy L


From papparuff at attbi.com  Thu May  8 12:34:31 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 10:34:31 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
In-Reply-To: <OPEHJDCMPKDOHDELKBPHGEHNDLAA.nancy.lytle@auatac.com>
Message-ID: <00d301c31588$15adc0b0$6401a8c0@papparuff>

strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription],
[ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values " 

Error in this second line, the lngErrNumber is a number so remove the
apostrophe before and after lngErrNumber.  Now() is a date so place a #
before and after Now().  The SQL statement should be;
strSQLInsert = strSQLInsert & "(" & lngErrNumber & ",'" &
Left(strErrDescription, 255) & "',#" & Now() & "#', '" & fcnOSUserName & "',
'" & vShowUser & "', '" & strCallingProc & "')"



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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:31 AM
To: Accessd
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem


Can anyone see what is wrong with this statement?
I have a feeling it has to do with quote marks but I have been pulling my
hair out trying to get it,  I guess I just can't see the forrest for the
trees.

strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription],
[ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values " strSQLInsert =
strSQLInsert & "('" & lngErrNumber & "' ,'" & Left(strErrDescription, 255) &
"' ,'" & Now() & "', '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "', '" &
strCallingProc & "')"

This is how it reads when I try and do the insert:
insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], [UserName],
[ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is
misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:28:00 PM',
'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')

Thanks,
Nancy L

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May  8 12:48:35 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 10:48:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F22@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I've noticed the phenomenon over the years that all the mags on the same
general topic will tend to have similar articles at about the same time.
I think it must be ESP or aliens!  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 8:46 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


Ah, man on a mission - I found the issue of Access Advisor.

It was December 2001 Advisor Tips

"Creating Derived Tables in Jet"

Access 2002/200/97

SQL Server lets you create derived tables, which are SELECT statements
that appear in the FROM clause of a query. In other words, you can
select from the resultset returned by a nested SELECT  statement. There
is no documented way to accomplish this in a Jet query without using a
saved nested query, but there is a, but there is a little-known synatx
that makes it possible. The following query runs in Access 97 and uses a
derived table named "GIO" which is not a saved object. The derived table
must be enclosed in square brackets and terminated with a period:
[<Select Staement>].

SELECT Products.ProductName, Products.UnitPrice, Gio.CatAvg,
Categories.CategoryName FROM (Products INNER JOIN [SELECT
Products.CategoryID, Categories.CategoryName, Avg(Products.UnitPrice) AS
CatAvg FROM Categories INNER JOIN Products ON Categories.CategoryID =
Products.CategoryID GROUP BY Products.CategoryID,
Categories.CategoryName]. AS Gio ON Gio.CategoryID =
Products.CategoryID) INNER JOIN Categories ON Products.CategoryID =
Categories.CategoryID ORDER BY Products.ProductID;

-Giovanni Caruso, via Andy Barron, Contributing Editor

Open Northwind DB and paste the listed select statement into the SQL
window of a query, save it and then run it to see the results. Don't try
to run before saving though because the query design grid will mess it
up really bad.

I checked the archives of every other access list I know of and other
than "Paul's" response to Gustav on AccessD in mid 2001 it is the
earliest reference to this syntax I can find. Given that Giovanni's tip
was probably submitted months before it was actually published it would
be hard to know which was first. It could be coincidence that both of
them originated at roughly the same time. But then again, I have seen a
lot of tips in newsletters and magazines, from both readers and staff,
that seem to arrive shortly after an item was discussed on one list or
another! Maybe Giovanni saw the tip here and really wanted one of those
t-shirts from Access Advisor!

JB



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:15 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
>
>
> Hi Lambert
>
> > It seems to me that the [Select * from Foo].  syntax allows one
> to create
> > queries in Access that use a sub-query as the base table. In
> other words you
> > don't need a temporary table or an already saved query. This is
> something
> > I've often wished I could do, if only the [ ]. syntax was documented

> > somewhere.
>
> > Which begs the question - just how did this special syntax get
> discovered?
> > It always intrigues me when someone pops out of the woods and
> says "hey look
> > at this undocumented feature..."
>
> It was someone called Paul in July 2001 that mentioned it as common 
> knowledge ...
>
> /gustav
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


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From nancy.lytle at auatac.com  Thu May  8 13:02:21 2003
From: nancy.lytle at auatac.com (Nancy Lytle)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 14:02:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
In-Reply-To: <00d301c31588$15adc0b0$6401a8c0@papparuff>
Message-ID: <OPEHJDCMPKDOHDELKBPHAEHODLAA.nancy.lytle@auatac.com>

Thank you for your reply but it still doesn't want to work

Using your code this is the insert statement produced:

insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], [UserName],
[ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is
misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:55:33 PM',
'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')

THe message I get is Syntax error (missing operator) in query expression:

 "The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't
exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:55:33 PM', 'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')'.

It may have to do with the single quotes inside the ErrDescription, notice
the double quotes at the beggining and single quote ending
Any ideas?

Nancy L


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Ruff
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:35 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem


strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription],
[ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values "

Error in this second line, the lngErrNumber is a number so remove the
apostrophe before and after lngErrNumber.  Now() is a date so place a #
before and after Now().  The SQL statement should be;
strSQLInsert = strSQLInsert & "(" & lngErrNumber & ",'" &
Left(strErrDescription, 255) & "',#" & Now() & "#', '" & fcnOSUserName & "',
'" & vShowUser & "', '" & strCallingProc & "')"



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Always Looking For Contract Opportunities

Home: 253.588.2139
Cell: 253.307/2947
9306 Farwest Dr SW
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                and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:31 AM
To: Accessd
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem


Can anyone see what is wrong with this statement?
I have a feeling it has to do with quote marks but I have been pulling my
hair out trying to get it,  I guess I just can't see the forrest for the
trees.

strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription],
[ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values " strSQLInsert =
strSQLInsert & "('" & lngErrNumber & "' ,'" & Left(strErrDescription, 255) &
"' ,'" & Now() & "', '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "', '" &
strCallingProc & "')"

This is how it reads when I try and do the insert:
insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], [UserName],
[ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is
misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:28:00 PM',
'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')

Thanks,
Nancy L

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From jim.hale at fleetpride.com  Thu May  8 13:01:00 2003
From: jim.hale at fleetpride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 13:01:00 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Disabling Links in Excel
Message-ID: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF87305F60C07@corp-es00>

It is possible for some links to be broken but remain in the spreadsheet.
You can use the following tool to locate and break links:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:
80/support/kb/articles/q188/4/49.asp&NoWebContent=1

HTH
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:36 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] (OT) Disabling Links in Excel


Gustav,

you mean cop/paste special-values ?
I've done that; it get read of 4 links, but still keeps one. And there is
still that "Would you like to refresh the lnik" message which management
doesn't like.

> Hi Oleg
>
> If you use the workbook just for sending data with no need for
> formulas you can replace all formulas and links of the cells with the
> calculated values.
>
> /gustav
>
>
>> I have an excel dovument that is linked to others, that I have to send
>> to several people each day. When they click for it to open it promts
>> whether they wish to update the links. I am looking at the document
>> right now to see how I can disable the links after its finished. The
>> only options I see are "Update Now", "Open Source", and "Change
>> Source". Does anyone know how to do it ?
>
>> Oleg
>
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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Thu May  8 13:03:49 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 13:03:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F877FE@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Charlotte,

More likely that the editors are lurkers on lists such as this.  When
they see an interesting topic come up on the lists, they each go and
commission an article from one of writers in their stables.  Thus,
several months later the mags have similar articles.  If my hypothesis
is true, then we should see some articles on []. subqueries coming out
in a few months.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
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512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: Thursday 2003 May 08 12:49
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery

I've noticed the phenomenon over the years that all the mags on the same
general topic will tend to have similar articles at about the same time.
I think it must be ESP or aliens!  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 8:46 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


Ah, man on a mission - I found the issue of Access Advisor.

It was December 2001 Advisor Tips

"Creating Derived Tables in Jet"

Access 2002/200/97

From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu May  8 13:06:45 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 19:06:45 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
In-Reply-To: <Law12-F3OSveSQDslHt00006a80@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <005f01c3158c$96866260$b274d0d5@andypc>

Is @@Identity just an ADO thing? Or even a SQL Server thing?
 
If I'm adding a record to a table in an MDB, and I'm doing it with an
SQL statement (and there are, as we know, a few ways to do that), is
there any way to retrieve the value of the autonumber field that is
defined as the Primary Key? I suspect not, which is why I use DAO on
many occasions because I need that value to, say, write to a related
sub-record.
 
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk <http://www.minstersystems.co.uk/> 



 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Don Elliker
Sent: 08 May 2003 14:12
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value



Forgive me being dense, but do you mean that @@Identity has to be used
within a transaction (DAO) to get the right autonumber for the current
record?

thanks,

_d






"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." 

>From: "Haslett, Andrew" 
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" 
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
>Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 08:56:11 +0930 
> 
>It is safer as @@Identity is linked only to the connection (or
transaction) 
>which created the record. 
> 
>Otherwise you are risking that another user will insert a record
in-between 
>adding and retrieving the ID of the record added by the first user. 
> 
>I'm not sure if that is a risk using the other methods mentioned on
this 
>list, however I *do* now that with @@Identity there is no risk of this 
>happening. 
> 
>Cheers, 
>Andrew 
> 
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
>Sent: Thursday, 8 May 2003 5:22 AM 
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> 
> 
> 
>How does this fare in a multi-user setup? 
>_D 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." 
> 
> >From: "Haslett, Andrew" 
> >Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> >To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" 
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> >Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 10:28:09 +0930 
> > 
> >Sure. 
> > 
> >Create a table (table1) with two fields (ID: Autonumber, Field1:
Text) 
> > 
> >Paste this code into a module and away you go: 
> > 
> >****************************************************************** 
> > 
> >Sub TestIdentity() 
> > 
> > Dim conn As ADODB.Connection, rs As ADODB.Recordset 
> > Set conn = CurrentProject.Connection 
> > 
> > strSQL = "INSERT INTO table1 (field1) VALUES ('SomeValue')" 
> > conn.Execute strSQL 
> > 
> > strSQL = "SELECT @@Identity" 
> > Set rs = conn.Execute(strSQL) 
> > 
> > intID = rs.Fields.Item(0).Value 
> > 
> > Debug.Print intID 
> > 
> > rs.Close 
> > conn.Close 
> > 
> >End Sub 
> > 
> >****************************************************************** 
> > 
> >Cheers, 
> >Andrew 
> > 
> >-----Original Message----- 
> >From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz] 
> >Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 9:43 AM 
> >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > 
> > 
> >Andrew, just to complete the knowledge flowing freely here (great
stuff), 
>if 
> >I've used a SQL statement to INSERT the new record, can I use
@@Identity 
> >(and how)? 
> > 
> >Thanks 
> >Stephen Bond 
> > 
> >-----Original Message----- 
> >From: Haslett, Andrew [mailto:andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au] 
> >Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 10:43 a.m. 
> >To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > 
> > 
> >Jet 4.0 supports @@Identity. Therefore if you are inserting your
record in 
> >code using ADO then it will work fine. 
> > 
> >Cheers, 
> >Andrew 
> > 
> >-----Original Message----- 
> >From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] 
> >Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 2:01 AM 
> >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > 
> > 
> >I don't think that works in MDBs, which I assume Stephen meant, else
he 
> >would have posted on the SQL list. 
> > 
> >Arthur 
> > 
> >-----Original Message----- 
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Haslett,
Andrew 
> >Sent: May 6, 2003 12:09 AM 
> >To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > 
> > 
> >SELECT @@IDENTITY 
> > 
> >-----Original Message----- 
> >From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz] 
> >Sent: Tuesday, 6 May 2003 12:23 PM 
> >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> >Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > 
> > 
> >In this thread a couple of months ago there was a solution offered to
the 
> >problem of determining the value of an ID Autonumber of a record just

>added. 
> > 
> > 
> >It was stunning in its simplicity, so of course I didn't write it
down ;-( 
> > 
> >Can anyone help? 
> > 
> >TIA 
> > 
> >Stephen Bond 
> >Otatara, New Zealand 
> >( tel 03 213 1256 fax 03 213 0123 
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu May  8 13:12:04 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 19:12:04 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
In-Reply-To: <OPEHJDCMPKDOHDELKBPHAEHODLAA.nancy.lytle@auatac.com>
Message-ID: <006a01c3158d$5435f460$b274d0d5@andypc>

Nancy
How about

strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription],
[ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values "
strSQLInsert = strSQLInsert & "(" & lngErrNumber & ", '" &
Left(strErrDescription, 255) & "' ,Now(), '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" &
vShowUser & "', '" & strCallingProc & "')"

How does that do?

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
> Sent: 08 May 2003 19:02
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
> 
> 
> Thank you for your reply but it still doesn't want to work
> 
> Using your code this is the insert statement produced:
> 
> insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], 
> [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values 
> ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers 
> to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:55:33 PM', 
> 'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')
> 
> THe message I get is Syntax error (missing operator) in query 
> expression:
> 
>  "The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form 
> that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:55:33 PM', 'nlytle', 
> 'True', 'Form_Open()')'.
> 
> It may have to do with the single quotes inside the 
> ErrDescription, notice the double quotes at the beggining and 
> single quote ending Any ideas?
> 
> Nancy L
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Ruff
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:35 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
> 
> 
> strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], 
> [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], 
> [CallingProc]) values "
> 
> Error in this second line, the lngErrNumber is a number so 
> remove the apostrophe before and after lngErrNumber.  Now() 
> is a date so place a # before and after Now().  The SQL 
> statement should be; strSQLInsert = strSQLInsert & "(" & 
> lngErrNumber & ",'" & Left(strErrDescription, 255) & "',#" & 
> Now() & "#', '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "', '" 
> & strCallingProc & "')"
> 
> 
> 
> John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
> Always Looking For Contract Opportunities
> 
> Home: 253.588.2139
> Cell: 253.307/2947
> 9306 Farwest Dr SW
> Lakewood, WA 98498
> 
> "Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
>                 and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:31 AM
> To: Accessd
> Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
> 
> 
> Can anyone see what is wrong with this statement?
> I have a feeling it has to do with quote marks but I have 
> been pulling my hair out trying to get it,  I guess I just 
> can't see the forrest for the trees.
> 
> strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], 
> [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], 
> [CallingProc]) values " strSQLInsert = strSQLInsert & "('" & 
> lngErrNumber & "' ,'" & Left(strErrDescription, 255) & "' ,'" 
> & Now() & "', '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "', 
> '" & strCallingProc & "')"
> 
> This is how it reads when I try and do the insert:
> insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], 
> [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values 
> ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers 
> to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:28:00 PM', 
> 'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')
> 
> Thanks,
> Nancy L
> 
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From papparuff at attbi.com  Thu May  8 13:14:50 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 11:14:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
In-Reply-To: <OPEHJDCMPKDOHDELKBPHAEHODLAA.nancy.lytle@auatac.com>
Message-ID: <00d901c3158d$b789cfa0$6401a8c0@papparuff>

So, if  Left(strErrDescription, 255) might have an apostrophe in it then
using Chr(34) before and after the Left(strErrDescription, 255) should work
whether there is an apostrophe or not.

lngErrNumber & ", " & chr(34) & Left(strErrDescription, 255) & chr(34) & ",
#"


John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
Always Looking For Contract Opportunities

Home: 253.588.2139
Cell: 253.307/2947
9306 Farwest Dr SW
Lakewood, WA 98498

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                and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:02 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem


Thank you for your reply but it still doesn't want to work

Using your code this is the insert statement produced:

insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], [UserName],
[ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is
misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:55:33 PM',
'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')

THe message I get is Syntax error (missing operator) in query expression:

 "The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't
exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:55:33 PM', 'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')'.

It may have to do with the single quotes inside the ErrDescription, notice
the double quotes at the beggining and single quote ending Any ideas?

Nancy L


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Ruff
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:35 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem


strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription],
[ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values "

Error in this second line, the lngErrNumber is a number so remove the
apostrophe before and after lngErrNumber.  Now() is a date so place a #
before and after Now().  The SQL statement should be; strSQLInsert =
strSQLInsert & "(" & lngErrNumber & ",'" & Left(strErrDescription, 255) &
"',#" & Now() & "#', '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "', '" &
strCallingProc & "')"



John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
Always Looking For Contract Opportunities

Home: 253.588.2139
Cell: 253.307/2947
9306 Farwest Dr SW
Lakewood, WA 98498

"Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
                and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:31 AM
To: Accessd
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem


Can anyone see what is wrong with this statement?
I have a feeling it has to do with quote marks but I have been pulling my
hair out trying to get it,  I guess I just can't see the forrest for the
trees.

strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription],
[ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values " strSQLInsert =
strSQLInsert & "('" & lngErrNumber & "' ,'" & Left(strErrDescription, 255) &
"' ,'" & Now() & "', '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "', '" &
strCallingProc & "')"

This is how it reads when I try and do the insert:
insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], [UserName],
[ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is
misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:28:00 PM',
'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')

Thanks,
Nancy L

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From delliker at hotmail.com  Thu May  8 13:59:56 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 14:59:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
Message-ID: <Law12-F650qcITzSOFI0000782e@hotmail.com>

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From Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK  Thu May  8 14:04:01 2003
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK (Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 20:04:01 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] Relationships
In-Reply-To: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F877FE@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
References: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F877FE@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <1052420641.3ebaaa2140d57@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

Can someone try this for me.

In any version of Access XP down - click within the relationship window and 
let me know if the edit relationships dialog opens even if a relationship line 
is not selected.


Martin

From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu May  8 14:09:57 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 20:09:57 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
In-Reply-To: <Law12-F650qcITzSOFI0000782e@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <007b01c31595$6a601ce0$b274d0d5@andypc>

:-) I like the "automagically"
But it's exactly why I can't see how it can work. How can @@Identity
know what field's value to return?

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Don Elliker
Sent: 08 May 2003 20:00
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


I have some question about this in multi-user, but I employed this
method in an A2K / DAO app and it works. In my Db the autonumber is the
PK. Do you mean automagically detect the fact that it's autonumber and
the PK? That's a cool idea.
_d





"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." 
>From: "Andy Lacey" 
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>To: 
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
>Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 19:06:45 +0100 
> 
>Is @@Identity just an ADO thing? Or even a SQL Server thing? 
> 
>If I'm adding a record to a table in an MDB, and I'm doing it with an 
>SQL statement (and there are, as we know, a few ways to do that), is 
>there any way to retrieve the value of the autonumber field that is 
>defined as the Primary Key? I suspect not, which is why I use DAO on 
>many occasions because I need that value to, say, write to a related 
>sub-record. 
> 
>Andy Lacey 
>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Don Elliker 
>Sent: 08 May 2003 14:12 
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> 
> 
> 
>Forgive me being dense, but do you mean that @@Identity has to be used 
>within a transaction (DAO) to get the right autonumber for the current 
>record? 
> 
>thanks, 
> 
>_d 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." 
> 
> >From: "Haslett, Andrew" 
> >Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> >To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" 
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> >Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 08:56:11 +0930 
> > 
> >It is safer as @@Identity is linked only to the connection (or 
>transaction) 
> >which created the record. 
> > 
> >Otherwise you are risking that another user will insert a record 
>in-between 
> >adding and retrieving the ID of the record added by the first user. 
> > 
> >I'm not sure if that is a risk using the other methods mentioned on 
>this 
> >list, however I *do* now that with @@Identity there is no risk of
this 
> >happening. 
> > 
> >Cheers, 
> >Andrew 
> > 
> >-----Original Message----- 
> >From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
> >Sent: Thursday, 8 May 2003 5:22 AM 
> >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >How does this fare in a multi-user setup? 
> >_D 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." 
> > 
> > >From: "Haslett, Andrew" 
> > >Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> > >To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" 
> > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > >Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 10:28:09 +0930 
> > > 
> > >Sure. 
> > > 
> > >Create a table (table1) with two fields (ID: Autonumber, Field1: 
>Text) 
> > > 
> > >Paste this code into a module and away you go: 
> > > 
> > >****************************************************************** 
> > > 
> > >Sub TestIdentity() 
> > > 
> > > Dim conn As ADODB.Connection, rs As ADODB.Recordset 
> > > Set conn = CurrentProject.Connection 
> > > 
> > > strSQL = "INSERT INTO table1 (field1) VALUES ('SomeValue')" 
> > > conn.Execute strSQL 
> > > 
> > > strSQL = "SELECT @@Identity" 
> > > Set rs = conn.Execute(strSQL) 
> > > 
> > > intID = rs.Fields.Item(0).Value 
> > > 
> > > Debug.Print intID 
> > > 
> > > rs.Close 
> > > conn.Close 
> > > 
> > >End Sub 
> > > 
> > >****************************************************************** 
> > > 
> > >Cheers, 
> > >Andrew 
> > > 
> > >-----Original Message----- 
> > >From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz] 
> > >Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 9:43 AM 
> > >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >Andrew, just to complete the knowledge flowing freely here (great 
>stuff), 
> >if 
> > >I've used a SQL statement to INSERT the new record, can I use 
>@@Identity 
> > >(and how)? 
> > > 
> > >Thanks 
> > >Stephen Bond 
> > > 
> > >-----Original Message----- 
> > >From: Haslett, Andrew [mailto:andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au] 
> > >Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 10:43 a.m. 
> > >To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
> > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >Jet 4.0 supports @@Identity. Therefore if you are inserting your 
>record in 
> > >code using ADO then it will work fine. 
> > > 
> > >Cheers, 
> > >Andrew 
> > > 
> > >-----Original Message----- 
> > >From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] 
> > >Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 2:01 AM 
> > >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >I don't think that works in MDBs, which I assume Stephen meant,
else 
>he 
> > >would have posted on the SQL list. 
> > > 
> > >Arthur 
> > > 
> > >-----Original Message----- 
> > >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> > >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Haslett,

>Andrew 
> > >Sent: May 6, 2003 12:09 AM 
> > >To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
> > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >SELECT @@IDENTITY 
> > > 
> > >-----Original Message----- 
> > >From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz] 
> > >Sent: Tuesday, 6 May 2003 12:23 PM 
> > >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> > >Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >In this thread a couple of months ago there was a solution offered
to 
>the 
> > >problem of determining the value of an ID Autonumber of a record
just 
> 
> >added. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >It was stunning in its simplicity, so of course I didn't write it 
>down ;-( 
> > > 
> > >Can anyone help? 
> > > 
> > >TIA 
> > > 
> > >Stephen Bond 
> > >Otatara, New Zealand 
> > >( tel 03 213 1256 fax 03 213 0123 
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From Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK  Thu May  8 13:38:11 2003
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK (Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 19:38:11 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] XML
In-Reply-To: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F877FE@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
References: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F877FE@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <1052419091.3ebaa413e9d68@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

Was the ability to import and export XML via the GUI (or using ADO) in Access 
available in any version prior to A XP? 

Martin

From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Thu May  8 14:23:00 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 14:23:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Relationships
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357D0@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Martin,

Within the Relationship window on my A02, I only get the edit
relationships dialog when I click on a relationship line.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
[mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK] 
Sent: Thursday 2003 May 08 14:04
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Relationships


Can someone try this for me.

In any version of Access XP down - click within the relationship window
and 
let me know if the edit relationships dialog opens even if a
relationship line 
is not selected.


Martin

From rmoore at comtechpst.com  Thu May  8 14:25:37 2003
From: rmoore at comtechpst.com (Ron Moore)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 15:25:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Relationships
In-Reply-To: <1052420641.3ebaaa2140d57@hosea.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <011701c31597$9b61d1b0$4814a8c0@Comtech.Comtechpst.com>

A2K - a double click brings up 'Edit Relationships' dialogue box with no
tables/queries selected.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 3:04 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Relationships


Can someone try this for me.

In any version of Access XP down - click within the relationship window and
let me know if the edit relationships dialog opens even if a relationship
line
is not selected.


Martin
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From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Thu May  8 14:28:29 2003
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 14:28:29 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Relationships
Message-ID: <8301C8A868251E4C8ECD3D4FFEA40F8A4EBCBC@cpixchng-1.cpiqpc.net>

Hi Martin,
In Access 97, the only time I can get the relationship window to show is if
I double-click on the relationship line.  Nothing comes up if I click or
double-click anywhere else (unless you right click of course).

HTH

Rusty Hammond


-----Original Message-----
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
[mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK]
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 2:04 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Relationships


Can someone try this for me.

In any version of Access XP down - click within the relationship window and 
let me know if the edit relationships dialog opens even if a relationship
line 
is not selected.


Martin
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From nancy.lytle at auatac.com  Thu May  8 14:38:12 2003
From: nancy.lytle at auatac.com (Nancy Lytle)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 15:38:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
In-Reply-To: <006a01c3158d$5435f460$b274d0d5@andypc>
Message-ID: <OPEHJDCMPKDOHDELKBPHGEIADLAA.nancy.lytle@auatac.com>

John's version gave me:

insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], [UserName],
[ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is
misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 3:10:56 PM',
'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')

And Andy's gave me:
insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], [UserName],
[ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is
misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 3:12:39 PM',
'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')

Both of which seem identical to what I got.  I think I am going crazy!  It
has to be something terribly simple, but I just can't get it.

By the way I am using A2000 on Win2000.

I have used this same technique many times in the past, but this time it
just won't work.

It has to be the single quotes inside the Err_Description.

Nancy L.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 2:12 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem


Nancy
How about

strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription],
[ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values "
strSQLInsert = strSQLInsert & "(" & lngErrNumber & ", '" &
Left(strErrDescription, 255) & "' ,Now(), '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" &
vShowUser & "', '" & strCallingProc & "')"

How does that do?

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
> Sent: 08 May 2003 19:02
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
>
>
> Thank you for your reply but it still doesn't want to work
>
> Using your code this is the insert statement produced:
>
> insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription],
> [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values
> ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers
> to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:55:33 PM',
> 'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')
>
> THe message I get is Syntax error (missing operator) in query
> expression:
>
>  "The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form
> that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:55:33 PM', 'nlytle',
> 'True', 'Form_Open()')'.
>
> It may have to do with the single quotes inside the
> ErrDescription, notice the double quotes at the beggining and
> single quote ending Any ideas?
>
> Nancy L
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Ruff
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:35 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
>
>
> strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber],
> [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser],
> [CallingProc]) values "
>
> Error in this second line, the lngErrNumber is a number so
> remove the apostrophe before and after lngErrNumber.  Now()
> is a date so place a # before and after Now().  The SQL
> statement should be; strSQLInsert = strSQLInsert & "(" &
> lngErrNumber & ",'" & Left(strErrDescription, 255) & "',#" &
> Now() & "#', '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "', '"
> & strCallingProc & "')"
>
>
>
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>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:31 AM
> To: Accessd
> Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
>
>
> Can anyone see what is wrong with this statement?
> I have a feeling it has to do with quote marks but I have
> been pulling my hair out trying to get it,  I guess I just
> can't see the forrest for the trees.
>
> strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber],
> [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser],
> [CallingProc]) values " strSQLInsert = strSQLInsert & "('" &
> lngErrNumber & "' ,'" & Left(strErrDescription, 255) & "' ,'"
> & Now() & "', '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "',
> '" & strCallingProc & "')"
>
> This is how it reads when I try and do the insert:
> insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription],
> [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values
> ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers
> to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:28:00 PM',
> 'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')
>
> Thanks,
> Nancy L
>
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From Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK  Thu May  8 14:40:31 2003
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK (Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 20:40:31 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] Relationships
In-Reply-To: <8301C8A868251E4C8ECD3D4FFEA40F8A4EBCBC@cpixchng-1.cpiqpc.net>
References: <8301C8A868251E4C8ECD3D4FFEA40F8A4EBCBC@cpixchng-1.cpiqpc.net>
Message-ID: <1052422831.3ebab2af9181b@hosea.qub.ac.uk>


Thanks Rusty. I noticed this in Access 2003 and XP. Click anywhere and you
open the dialog.

Must be by design. I just never noticed it before in XP.

Martin



Quoting rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com:

> Hi Martin,
> In Access 97, the only time I can get the relationship window to show is
> if
> I double-click on the relationship line.  Nothing comes up if I click
> or
> double-click anywhere else (unless you right click of course).
> 
> HTH
> 
> Rusty Hammond
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
> [mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK]
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 2:04 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Relationships
> 
> 
> Can someone try this for me.
> 
> In any version of Access XP down - click within the relationship window
> and 
> let me know if the edit relationships dialog opens even if a
> relationship
> line 
> is not selected.
> 
> 
> Martin
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From papparuff at attbi.com  Thu May  8 14:43:37 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 12:43:37 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
In-Reply-To: <OPEHJDCMPKDOHDELKBPHGEIADLAA.nancy.lytle@auatac.com>
Message-ID: <00f501c3159a$1ec8f860$6401a8c0@papparuff>

Nancy,

Is the True just before Form_Open a text value or a boolean value?  If it's
boolean, then remove the apostrophe's before and after the vShowUser

John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
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Cell: 253.307/2947
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 12:38 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem


John's version gave me:

insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], [UserName],
[ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is
misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 3:10:56 PM',
'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')

And Andy's gave me:
insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], [UserName],
[ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is
misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 3:12:39 PM',
'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')

Both of which seem identical to what I got.  I think I am going crazy!  It
has to be something terribly simple, but I just can't get it.

By the way I am using A2000 on Win2000.

I have used this same technique many times in the past, but this time it
just won't work.

It has to be the single quotes inside the Err_Description.

Nancy L.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 2:12 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem


Nancy
How about

strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription],
[ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values " strSQLInsert =
strSQLInsert & "(" & lngErrNumber & ", '" & Left(strErrDescription, 255) &
"' ,Now(), '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "', '" & strCallingProc
& "')"

How does that do?

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
> Sent: 08 May 2003 19:02
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
>
>
> Thank you for your reply but it still doesn't want to work
>
> Using your code this is the insert statement produced:
>
> insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], 
> [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name 
> 'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.' 
> ,'5/8/2003 1:55:33 PM', 'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')
>
> THe message I get is Syntax error (missing operator) in query
> expression:
>
>  "The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form that 
> doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:55:33 PM', 'nlytle', 'True', 
> 'Form_Open()')'.
>
> It may have to do with the single quotes inside the ErrDescription, 
> notice the double quotes at the beggining and single quote ending Any 
> ideas?
>
> Nancy L
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Ruff
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:35 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
>
>
> strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], 
> [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser],
> [CallingProc]) values "
>
> Error in this second line, the lngErrNumber is a number so remove the 
> apostrophe before and after lngErrNumber.  Now() is a date so place a 
> # before and after Now().  The SQL statement should be; strSQLInsert = 
> strSQLInsert & "(" & lngErrNumber & ",'" & Left(strErrDescription, 
> 255) & "',#" &
> Now() & "#', '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "', '" & 
> strCallingProc & "')"
>
>
>
> John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
> Always Looking For Contract Opportunities
>
> Home: 253.588.2139
> Cell: 253.307/2947
> 9306 Farwest Dr SW
> Lakewood, WA 98498
>
> "Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
>                 and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:31 AM
> To: Accessd
> Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
>
>
> Can anyone see what is wrong with this statement?
> I have a feeling it has to do with quote marks but I have been pulling 
> my hair out trying to get it,  I guess I just can't see the forrest 
> for the trees.
>
> strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], 
> [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser],
> [CallingProc]) values " strSQLInsert = strSQLInsert & "('" & 
> lngErrNumber & "' ,'" & Left(strErrDescription, 255) & "' ,'" & Now() 
> & "', '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "', '" & 
> strCallingProc & "')"
>
> This is how it reads when I try and do the insert:
> insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], 
> [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name 
> 'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.' 
> ,'5/8/2003 1:28:00 PM', 'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')
>
> Thanks,
> Nancy L
>
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu May  8 14:47:57 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 15:47:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] XML
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B9B@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Kind of a tricky question Martin because ADO 2.5 or 2.6 could save and read recordsets as XML.  The Access GUI couldn't in A97, I've not used A2K but I think it only could via ADO as well, and AXP does as you've noted.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
[mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK]
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 2:38 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] XML


Was the ability to import and export XML via the GUI (or using ADO) in Access 
available in any version prior to A XP? 

Martin
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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Thu May  8 14:49:12 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 14:49:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F87800@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Nancy,

There is an odd number of single quotes in this "'The form name 'This
Form' is misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.'" so it does
not look like it will work.  One or more of the single quotes in that
field should be replaced by double quotes, Chr(34).  To quote materiel
with quotes you have to either use single quotes inside double quotes("
' "), or double quotes inside single quotes (' " ').

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Lytle [mailto:nancy.lytle at auatac.com] 
Sent: Thursday 2003 May 08 14:38
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem

John's version gave me:

insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate],
[UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name
'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.'
,'5/8/2003 3:10:56 PM', 'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')

And Andy's gave me:
insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate],
[UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name
'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.'
,'5/8/2003 3:12:39 PM', 'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')

Both of which seem identical to what I got.  I think I am going crazy!
It has to be something terribly simple, but I just can't get it.

By the way I am using A2000 on Win2000.

I have used this same technique many times in the past, but this time it
just won't work.

It has to be the single quotes inside the Err_Description.

Nancy L.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 2:12 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem


Nancy
How about

strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription],
[ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values " strSQLInsert
= strSQLInsert & "(" & lngErrNumber & ", '" & Left(strErrDescription,
255) & "' ,Now(), '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "', '" &
strCallingProc & "')"

How does that do?

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
> Sent: 08 May 2003 19:02
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
>
>
> Thank you for your reply but it still doesn't want to work
>
> Using your code this is the insert statement produced:
>
> insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], 
> [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name 
> 'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.' 
> ,'5/8/2003 1:55:33 PM', 'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')
>
> THe message I get is Syntax error (missing operator) in query
> expression:
>
>  "The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form that 
> doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:55:33 PM', 'nlytle', 'True', 
> 'Form_Open()')'.
>
> It may have to do with the single quotes inside the ErrDescription, 
> notice the double quotes at the beggining and single quote ending Any 
> ideas?
>
> Nancy L
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Ruff
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:35 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
>
>
> strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], 
> [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser],
> [CallingProc]) values "
>
> Error in this second line, the lngErrNumber is a number so remove the 
> apostrophe before and after lngErrNumber.  Now() is a date so place a 
> # before and after Now().  The SQL statement should be; strSQLInsert =

> strSQLInsert & "(" & lngErrNumber & ",'" & Left(strErrDescription, 
> 255) & "',#" &
> Now() & "#', '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "', '" & 
> strCallingProc & "')"
>
>
>
> John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
> Always Looking For Contract Opportunities
>
> Home: 253.588.2139
> Cell: 253.307/2947
> 9306 Farwest Dr SW
> Lakewood, WA 98498
>
> "Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
>                 and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:31 AM
> To: Accessd
> Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
>
>
> Can anyone see what is wrong with this statement?
> I have a feeling it has to do with quote marks but I have been pulling

> my hair out trying to get it,  I guess I just can't see the forrest 
> for the trees.
>
> strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], 
> [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser],
> [CallingProc]) values " strSQLInsert = strSQLInsert & "('" & 
> lngErrNumber & "' ,'" & Left(strErrDescription, 255) & "' ,'" & Now() 
> & "', '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "', '" & 
> strCallingProc & "')"
>
> This is how it reads when I try and do the insert:
> insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], 
> [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name 
> 'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.' 
> ,'5/8/2003 1:28:00 PM', 'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')
>
> Thanks,
> Nancy L

From nancy.lytle at auatac.com  Thu May  8 14:58:06 2003
From: nancy.lytle at auatac.com (Nancy Lytle)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 15:58:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
In-Reply-To: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F87800@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <OPEHJDCMPKDOHDELKBPHEEIBDLAA.nancy.lytle@auatac.com>

Thanks to all for your help.
I'm going to give it a fresh start in the morning and see what happens.
Nancy L

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz, Charles
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 3:49 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem


Nancy,

There is an odd number of single quotes in this "'The form name 'This
Form' is misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.'" so it does
not look like it will work.  One or more of the single quotes in that
field should be replaced by double quotes, Chr(34).  To quote materiel
with quotes you have to either use single quotes inside double quotes("
' "), or double quotes inside single quotes (' " ').

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Lytle [mailto:nancy.lytle at auatac.com] 
Sent: Thursday 2003 May 08 14:38
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem

John's version gave me:

insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate],
[UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name
'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.'
,'5/8/2003 3:10:56 PM', 'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')

And Andy's gave me:
insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate],
[UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name
'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.'
,'5/8/2003 3:12:39 PM', 'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')

Both of which seem identical to what I got.  I think I am going crazy!
It has to be something terribly simple, but I just can't get it.

By the way I am using A2000 on Win2000.

I have used this same technique many times in the past, but this time it
just won't work.

It has to be the single quotes inside the Err_Description.

Nancy L.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 2:12 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem


Nancy
How about

strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription],
[ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values " strSQLInsert
= strSQLInsert & "(" & lngErrNumber & ", '" & Left(strErrDescription,
255) & "' ,Now(), '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "', '" &
strCallingProc & "')"

How does that do?

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
> Sent: 08 May 2003 19:02
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
>
>
> Thank you for your reply but it still doesn't want to work
>
> Using your code this is the insert statement produced:
>
> insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], 
> [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name 
> 'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.' 
> ,'5/8/2003 1:55:33 PM', 'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')
>
> THe message I get is Syntax error (missing operator) in query
> expression:
>
>  "The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form that 
> doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:55:33 PM', 'nlytle', 'True', 
> 'Form_Open()')'.
>
> It may have to do with the single quotes inside the ErrDescription, 
> notice the double quotes at the beggining and single quote ending Any 
> ideas?
>
> Nancy L
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Ruff
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:35 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
>
>
> strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], 
> [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser],
> [CallingProc]) values "
>
> Error in this second line, the lngErrNumber is a number so remove the 
> apostrophe before and after lngErrNumber.  Now() is a date so place a 
> # before and after Now().  The SQL statement should be; strSQLInsert =

> strSQLInsert & "(" & lngErrNumber & ",'" & Left(strErrDescription, 
> 255) & "',#" &
> Now() & "#', '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "', '" & 
> strCallingProc & "')"
>
>
>
> John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
> Always Looking For Contract Opportunities
>
> Home: 253.588.2139
> Cell: 253.307/2947
> 9306 Farwest Dr SW
> Lakewood, WA 98498
>
> "Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
>                 and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:31 AM
> To: Accessd
> Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
>
>
> Can anyone see what is wrong with this statement?
> I have a feeling it has to do with quote marks but I have been pulling

> my hair out trying to get it,  I guess I just can't see the forrest 
> for the trees.
>
> strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], 
> [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser],
> [CallingProc]) values " strSQLInsert = strSQLInsert & "('" & 
> lngErrNumber & "' ,'" & Left(strErrDescription, 255) & "' ,'" & Now() 
> & "', '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "', '" & 
> strCallingProc & "')"
>
> This is how it reads when I try and do the insert:
> insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], 
> [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name 
> 'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.' 
> ,'5/8/2003 1:28:00 PM', 'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')
>
> Thanks,
> Nancy L
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From liz at symphonyinfo.com  Thu May  8 15:02:09 2003
From: liz at symphonyinfo.com (Liz Doering)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 15:02:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
In-Reply-To: <OPEHJDCMPKDOHDELKBPHGEIADLAA.nancy.lytle@auatac.com>
Message-ID: <OBEGLONPCFDNODFCPKAIEECKCFAA.liz@symphonyinfo.com>

Nancy,

About the time I think I'm losing my mind on this sort of thing, I dim a
string (strSQL), then set

strSQL="my problematical statement here".

Then set the next line of code to be

debug.print strSQL

Then you can view the immediate window, and your icky piece of SQL will be
right there, exactly as you would have been about to run it.  Copy and paste
it into the SQL view of a new query, and go to work straightening out
whatever mess there is.  It will be much more obvious from this view!

Liz




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 2:38 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem


John's version gave me:

insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], [UserName],
[ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is
misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 3:10:56 PM',
'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')

And Andy's gave me:
insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], [UserName],
[ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is
misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 3:12:39 PM',
'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')

Both of which seem identical to what I got.  I think I am going crazy!  It
has to be something terribly simple, but I just can't get it.

By the way I am using A2000 on Win2000.

I have used this same technique many times in the past, but this time it
just won't work.

It has to be the single quotes inside the Err_Description.

Nancy L.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 2:12 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem


Nancy
How about

strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription],
[ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values "
strSQLInsert = strSQLInsert & "(" & lngErrNumber & ", '" &
Left(strErrDescription, 255) & "' ,Now(), '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" &
vShowUser & "', '" & strCallingProc & "')"

How does that do?

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
> Sent: 08 May 2003 19:02
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
>
>
> Thank you for your reply but it still doesn't want to work
>
> Using your code this is the insert statement produced:
>
> insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription],
> [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values
> ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers
> to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:55:33 PM',
> 'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')
>
> THe message I get is Syntax error (missing operator) in query
> expression:
>
>  "The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form
> that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:55:33 PM', 'nlytle',
> 'True', 'Form_Open()')'.
>
> It may have to do with the single quotes inside the
> ErrDescription, notice the double quotes at the beggining and
> single quote ending Any ideas?
>
> Nancy L
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Ruff
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:35 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
>
>
> strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber],
> [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser],
> [CallingProc]) values "
>
> Error in this second line, the lngErrNumber is a number so
> remove the apostrophe before and after lngErrNumber.  Now()
> is a date so place a # before and after Now().  The SQL
> statement should be; strSQLInsert = strSQLInsert & "(" &
> lngErrNumber & ",'" & Left(strErrDescription, 255) & "',#" &
> Now() & "#', '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "', '"
> & strCallingProc & "')"
>
>
>
> John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
> Always Looking For Contract Opportunities
>
> Home: 253.588.2139
> Cell: 253.307/2947
> 9306 Farwest Dr SW
> Lakewood, WA 98498
>
> "Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
>                 and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:31 AM
> To: Accessd
> Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
>
>
> Can anyone see what is wrong with this statement?
> I have a feeling it has to do with quote marks but I have
> been pulling my hair out trying to get it,  I guess I just
> can't see the forrest for the trees.
>
> strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber],
> [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser],
> [CallingProc]) values " strSQLInsert = strSQLInsert & "('" &
> lngErrNumber & "' ,'" & Left(strErrDescription, 255) & "' ,'"
> & Now() & "', '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "',
> '" & strCallingProc & "')"
>
> This is how it reads when I try and do the insert:
> insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription],
> [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values
> ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers
> to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:28:00 PM',
> 'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')
>
> Thanks,
> Nancy L
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May  8 15:35:22 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 13:35:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] XML
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F23@infoserver01.infostat.local>

In A2k you could only do it from ADO.  AXP is the first version to make
it available as an Export format.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org] 
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:48 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] XML


Kind of a tricky question Martin because ADO 2.5 or 2.6 could save and
read recordsets as XML.  The Access GUI couldn't in A97, I've not used
A2K but I think it only could via ADO as well, and AXP does as you've
noted.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
[mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK]
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 2:38 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] XML


Was the ability to import and export XML via the GUI (or using ADO) in
Access 
available in any version prior to A XP? 

Martin
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May  8 15:39:19 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 13:39:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Relationships
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F24@infoserver01.infostat.local>

It does in XP.  In 97, nothing at all happens.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
[mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK] 
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:04 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Relationships


Can someone try this for me.

In any version of Access XP down - click within the relationship window
and 
let me know if the edit relationships dialog opens even if a
relationship line 
is not selected.


Martin
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May  8 15:41:31 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 13:41:31 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F25@infoserver01.infostat.local>

LOL

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:04 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


Charlotte,

More likely that the editors are lurkers on lists such as this.  When
they see an interesting topic come up on the lists, they each go and
commission an article from one of writers in their stables.  Thus,
several months later the mags have similar articles.  If my hypothesis
is true, then we should see some articles on []. subqueries coming out
in a few months.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: Thursday 2003 May 08 12:49
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery

I've noticed the phenomenon over the years that all the mags on the same
general topic will tend to have similar articles at about the same time.
I think it must be ESP or aliens!  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 8:46 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


Ah, man on a mission - I found the issue of Access Advisor.

It was December 2001 Advisor Tips

"Creating Derived Tables in Jet"

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu May  8 16:18:14 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 22:18:14 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
In-Reply-To: <OPEHJDCMPKDOHDELKBPHEEIBDLAA.nancy.lytle@auatac.com>
Message-ID: <008401c315a7$5632d700$b274d0d5@andypc>

Nancy
I'm sorry but I missed the fact that your description contained an
apostrophe. In that case this will (I think) work

strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription],
[ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values " strSQLInsert
= strSQLInsert & "(" & lngErrNumber & ", """ & Left(strErrDescription,
255) & """ ,Now(), '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "', '" &
strCallingProc & "')"

But if you have descriptions containing double quotes those will then
fail.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
> Sent: 08 May 2003 20:58
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
> 
> 
> Thanks to all for your help.
> I'm going to give it a fresh start in the morning and see 
> what happens. Nancy L
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of 
> Wortz, Charles
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 3:49 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
> 
> 
> Nancy,
> 
> There is an odd number of single quotes in this "'The form 
> name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form that 
> doesn't exist.'" so it does not look like it will work.  One 
> or more of the single quotes in that field should be replaced 
> by double quotes, Chr(34).  To quote materiel with quotes you 
> have to either use single quotes inside double quotes(" ' "), 
> or double quotes inside single quotes (' " ').
> 
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nancy Lytle [mailto:nancy.lytle at auatac.com] 
> Sent: Thursday 2003 May 08 14:38
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
> 
> John's version gave me:
> 
> insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], 
> [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values 
> ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers 
> to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 3:10:56 PM', 
> 'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')
> 
> And Andy's gave me:
> insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], 
> [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values 
> ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers 
> to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 3:12:39 PM', 
> 'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')
> 
> Both of which seem identical to what I got.  I think I am 
> going crazy! It has to be something terribly simple, but I 
> just can't get it.
> 
> By the way I am using A2000 on Win2000.
> 
> I have used this same technique many times in the past, but 
> this time it just won't work.
> 
> It has to be the single quotes inside the Err_Description.
> 
> Nancy L.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 2:12 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
> 
> 
> Nancy
> How about
> 
> strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], 
> [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], 
> [CallingProc]) values " strSQLInsert = strSQLInsert & "(" & 
> lngErrNumber & ", '" & Left(strErrDescription,
> 255) & "' ,Now(), '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & 
> "', '" & strCallingProc & "')"
> 
> How does that do?
> 
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Nancy Lytle
> > Sent: 08 May 2003 19:02
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
> >
> >
> > Thank you for your reply but it still doesn't want to work
> >
> > Using your code this is the insert statement produced:
> >
> > insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate],
> > [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The 
> form name 
> > 'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.' 
> > ,'5/8/2003 1:55:33 PM', 'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')
> >
> > THe message I get is Syntax error (missing operator) in query
> > expression:
> >
> >  "The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form that
> > doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:55:33 PM', 'nlytle', 'True', 
> > 'Form_Open()')'.
> >
> > It may have to do with the single quotes inside the ErrDescription,
> > notice the double quotes at the beggining and single quote 
> ending Any 
> > ideas?
> >
> > Nancy L
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Ruff
> > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:35 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
> >
> >
> > strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], 
> [ErrDescription],
> > [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser],
> > [CallingProc]) values "
> >
> > Error in this second line, the lngErrNumber is a number so 
> remove the
> > apostrophe before and after lngErrNumber.  Now() is a date 
> so place a 
> > # before and after Now().  The SQL statement should be; 
> strSQLInsert =
> 
> > strSQLInsert & "(" & lngErrNumber & ",'" & Left(strErrDescription,
> > 255) & "',#" &
> > Now() & "#', '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "', '" & 
> > strCallingProc & "')"
> >
> >
> >
> > John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
> > Always Looking For Contract Opportunities
> >
> > Home: 253.588.2139
> > Cell: 253.307/2947
> > 9306 Farwest Dr SW
> > Lakewood, WA 98498
> >
> > "Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
> >                 and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Nancy Lytle
> > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:31 AM
> > To: Accessd
> > Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
> >
> >
> > Can anyone see what is wrong with this statement?
> > I have a feeling it has to do with quote marks but I have 
> been pulling
> 
> > my hair out trying to get it,  I guess I just can't see the forrest
> > for the trees.
> >
> > strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], 
> [ErrDescription],
> > [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser],
> > [CallingProc]) values " strSQLInsert = strSQLInsert & "('" & 
> > lngErrNumber & "' ,'" & Left(strErrDescription, 255) & "' 
> ,'" & Now() 
> > & "', '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "', '" & 
> > strCallingProc & "')"
> >
> > This is how it reads when I try and do the insert:
> > insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate],
> > [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The 
> form name 
> > 'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.' 
> > ,'5/8/2003 1:28:00 PM', 'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Nancy L
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From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Thu May  8 16:29:05 2003
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 17:29:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] VB module to send mail in Lotus Notes
Message-ID: <008401c315a8$da8f0180$a2c50a44@hr.cox.net>

I have a VB module (in an Access 97 database) that uses Lotus Notes to send mail.  It has worked fine at several client sites, but is encountering problems at a new site.  The error received is "429: ActiveX component can't create object".  It apparently is erroring on the statement "Set Session = CreateObject("Notes.NotesSession")". (see all code below)

The only difference (that I am aware of) is that this client uses Lotus Notes 5.0 10 and the Lotus Notes client is installed on a server.

This is really more of a Lotus Notes question, but I have not yet been able to find a forum where I can ask this question.

Any thoughts/suggestions?

Thanks,
Barb Ryan

Private Sub SendNotesMail()
    On Error GoTo Err_Handler
    
    'Set up the objects required for Automation into lotus notes
    Dim Maildb As Object 'The mail database
    Dim UserName As String 'The current users notes name
    Dim MailDbName As String 'THe current users notes mail database name
    Dim MailDoc As Object 'The mail document itself
    Dim AttachME As Object 'The attachment richtextfile object
    Dim Session As Object 'The notes session
    Dim EmbedObj As Object 'The embedded object (Attachment)
    
    'Start a session to notes
    Set Session = CreateObject("Notes.NotesSession")
    
    'Get the sessions username and then calculate the mail file name
    UserName = Session.UserName
    MailDbName = Left$(UserName, 1) & Right$(UserName, (Len(UserName) - InStr(1, UserName, " "))) & ".nsf"
    
    'Open the mail database in notes
    Set Maildb = Session.GETDATABASE("", MailDbName)
     If Maildb.isOpen = True Then
          'Already open for mail
     Else
         Maildb.OPENMAIL
     End If
     
    'Set up the new mail document
    Set MailDoc = Maildb.CREATEDOCUMENT
    MailDoc.Form = "Memo"
    MailDoc.sendto = strRecipient
    MailDoc.Subject = strSubject
    
    If strLongSnaphotName > "" Then
        strbody = "This document, and any attachments therein, contains proprietary and confidential information that may not be disclosed without the prior written permission of Huntsman Corporation. Unauthorized use or misuse of this information and its contents is strictly prohibited." & vbCrLf & vbCrLf & "The attached file must be viewed using Microsoft Snapshot Viewer, which is a free download at http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/9798/snpvw80.aspx" & vbCrLf & vbCrLf & "Huntsman reference: " & strLongSnaphotName
    Else
        strbody = "This document, and any attachments therein, contains proprietary and confidential information that may not be disclosed without the prior written permission of Huntsman Corporation. Unauthorized use or misuse of this information and its contents is strictly prohibited." & vbCrLf & vbCrLf & "The attached file must be viewed using Microsoft Snapshot Viewer, which is a free download at http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/9798/snpvw80.aspx"
    End If
     
    MailDoc.Body = strbody
    MailDoc.SAVEMESSAGEONSEND = True
    
    'Set up the embedded object and attachment and attach it
    Set AttachME = MailDoc.createrichtextitem("attachment")
    Set EmbedObj = AttachME.embedObject(1454, "", strAttachment)
    
    'Send the document
    MailDoc.PostedDate = Now() 'Gets the mail to appear in the sent items folder
    MailDoc.SEND 0, strRecipient
    
    'Clean Up
    Set Maildb = Nothing
    Set MailDoc = Nothing
    Set AttachME = Nothing
    Set Session = Nothing
    Set EmbedObj = Nothing
    
Exit_SendNotesMail:
    Exit Sub

Err_Handler:
    blnError = True
    MsgBox Err.Number & ":" & Err.Description
    Resume Exit_SendNotesMail
    
End Sub



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From todd_5036 at msn.com  Thu May  8 16:35:37 2003
From: todd_5036 at msn.com (Todd Buttrey)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 16:35:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] VB module to send mail in Lotus Notes
Message-ID: <BAY4-F12MVur6nzO9OM00000b21@hotmail.com>

Sounds like you are trying to instantiate an object that normally resides on 
the client but now is residing on the server.  Is this true?


----Original Message Follows----
From: "Barbara Ryan" <BarbaraRyan at cox.net>
Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
To: "Access List" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] VB module to send mail in Lotus Notes
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 17:29:05 -0400

I have a VB module (in an Access 97 database) that uses Lotus Notes to send 
mail.  It has worked fine at several client sites, but is encountering 
problems at a new site.  The error received is "429: ActiveX component can't 
create object".  It apparently is erroring on the statement "Set Session = 
CreateObject("Notes.NotesSession")". (see all code below)

The only difference (that I am aware of) is that this client uses Lotus 
Notes 5.0 10 and the Lotus Notes client is installed on a server.

This is really more of a Lotus Notes question, but I have not yet been able 
to find a forum where I can ask this question.

Any thoughts/suggestions?

Thanks,
Barb Ryan

Private Sub SendNotesMail()
     On Error GoTo Err_Handler

     'Set up the objects required for Automation into lotus notes
     Dim Maildb As Object 'The mail database
     Dim UserName As String 'The current users notes name
     Dim MailDbName As String 'THe current users notes mail database name
     Dim MailDoc As Object 'The mail document itself
     Dim AttachME As Object 'The attachment richtextfile object
     Dim Session As Object 'The notes session
     Dim EmbedObj As Object 'The embedded object (Attachment)

     'Start a session to notes
     Set Session = CreateObject("Notes.NotesSession")

     'Get the sessions username and then calculate the mail file name
     UserName = Session.UserName
     MailDbName = Left$(UserName, 1) & Right$(UserName, (Len(UserName) - 
InStr(1, UserName, " "))) & ".nsf"

     'Open the mail database in notes
     Set Maildb = Session.GETDATABASE("", MailDbName)
      If Maildb.isOpen = True Then
           'Already open for mail
      Else
          Maildb.OPENMAIL
      End If

     'Set up the new mail document
     Set MailDoc = Maildb.CREATEDOCUMENT
     MailDoc.Form = "Memo"
     MailDoc.sendto = strRecipient
     MailDoc.Subject = strSubject

     If strLongSnaphotName > "" Then
         strbody = "This document, and any attachments therein, contains 
proprietary and confidential information that may not be disclosed without 
the prior written permission of Huntsman Corporation. Unauthorized use or 
misuse of this information and its contents is strictly prohibited." & 
vbCrLf & vbCrLf & "The attached file must be viewed using Microsoft Snapshot 
Viewer, which is a free download at 
http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/9798/snpvw80.aspx" & vbCrLf & vbCrLf & 
"Huntsman reference: " & strLongSnaphotName
     Else
         strbody = "This document, and any attachments therein, contains 
proprietary and confidential information that may not be disclosed without 
the prior written permission of Huntsman Corporation. Unauthorized use or 
misuse of this information and its contents is strictly prohibited." & 
vbCrLf & vbCrLf & "The attached file must be viewed using Microsoft Snapshot 
Viewer, which is a free download at 
http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/9798/snpvw80.aspx"
     End If

     MailDoc.Body = strbody
     MailDoc.SAVEMESSAGEONSEND = True

     'Set up the embedded object and attachment and attach it
     Set AttachME = MailDoc.createrichtextitem("attachment")
     Set EmbedObj = AttachME.embedObject(1454, "", strAttachment)

     'Send the document
     MailDoc.PostedDate = Now() 'Gets the mail to appear in the sent items 
folder
     MailDoc.SEND 0, strRecipient

     'Clean Up
     Set Maildb = Nothing
     Set MailDoc = Nothing
     Set AttachME = Nothing
     Set Session = Nothing
     Set EmbedObj = Nothing

Exit_SendNotesMail:
     Exit Sub

Err_Handler:
     blnError = True
     MsgBox Err.Number & ":" & Err.Description
     Resume Exit_SendNotesMail

End Sub



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From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Thu May  8 16:42:42 2003
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 17:42:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] VB module to send mail in Lotus Notes
Message-ID: <00a201c315aa$c11e06e0$a2c50a44@hr.cox.net>

The last message was incorrect -- the Lotus Notes client is installed on their partitioned hard drive "D:\", not a server.
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From artful at rogers.com  Thu May  8 16:51:38 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 17:51:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
In-Reply-To: <OPEHJDCMPKDOHDELKBPHAEHODLAA.nancy.lytle@auatac.com>
Message-ID: <00ad01c315ac$00848970$8e01a8c0@Rock>

I think you made a typo there; the opening double quote has no corresponding
close. It was probably intended to be a single. So the real problem is the
nested single quotes around form_name, I think. But in playing around, I
discovered an interesting problem:

? Replace("The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form that
doesn't exist.", Chr(39), Chr(34))
The form name "This Form" is misspelled or refers to a form that doesn"t
exist.

Note the double quote in doesn't.

I was playing around with variations on the above Replace() when suddenly it
occurred to me that there's a much slicker way:

? Replace("The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form that
doesn't exist.", "doesn't", "does not")
The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form that does not
exist.

Admittedly it's limited to this particular error message and would fail on
strings such as "The form name 'This Form' was created by Michael O'Hara and
Patty O'Furniture."

Too bad Access doesn't do regex.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
Sent: May 8, 2003 2:02 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem


Thank you for your reply but it still doesn't want to work

Using your code this is the insert statement produced:

insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], [UserName],
[ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is
misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:55:33 PM',
'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')

THe message I get is Syntax error (missing operator) in query expression:

 "The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't
exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:55:33 PM', 'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')'.

It may have to do with the single quotes inside the ErrDescription, notice
the double quotes at the beggining and single quote ending Any ideas?

Nancy L


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Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:35 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem


strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription],
[ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values "

Error in this second line, the lngErrNumber is a number so remove the
apostrophe before and after lngErrNumber.  Now() is a date so place a #
before and after Now().  The SQL statement should be; strSQLInsert =
strSQLInsert & "(" & lngErrNumber & ",'" & Left(strErrDescription, 255) &
"',#" & Now() & "#', '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "', '" &
strCallingProc & "')"



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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:31 AM
To: Accessd
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem


Can anyone see what is wrong with this statement?
I have a feeling it has to do with quote marks but I have been pulling my
hair out trying to get it,  I guess I just can't see the forrest for the
trees.

strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription],
[ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values " strSQLInsert =
strSQLInsert & "('" & lngErrNumber & "' ,'" & Left(strErrDescription, 255) &
"' ,'" & Now() & "', '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "', '" &
strCallingProc & "')"

This is how it reads when I try and do the insert:
insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], [UserName],
[ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is
misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:28:00 PM',
'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')

Thanks,
Nancy L

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu May  8 17:05:21 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 08:05:21 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
In-Reply-To: <Law12-F3OSveSQDslHt00006a80@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3EBB6141.30285.AC155@localhost>

@@Identity is a system wide variable. It returns the last autonumber 
generated by the system. You certainly can't rely on it to return a 
particular record number in either a multi user system or in a system 
where you are inserting into more than one table with autonumbers 
keys in the same transaction.

On 8 May 2003 at 9:11, Don Elliker wrote:

> 
> Forgive me being dense, but do you mean that @@Identity has to be used
> within a transaction (DAO) to get the right autonumber for the current
> record? thanks, _d
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >From: "Haslett, Andrew" 
> >Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> >To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" 
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> >Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 08:56:11 +0930 
> > 
> >It is safer as @@Identity is linked only to the connection (or 
> transaction) 
> >which created the record. 
> > 
> >Otherwise you are risking that another user will insert a record in-
> between 
> >adding and retrieving the ID of the record added by the first user. 
> > 
> >I'm not sure if that is a risk using the other methods mentioned on 
> this 
> >list, however I *do* now that with @@Identity there is no risk of 
> this 
> >happening. 
> > 
> >Cheers, 
> >Andrew 
> > 
> >-----Original Message----- 
> >From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
> >Sent: Thursday, 8 May 2003 5:22 AM 
> >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >How does this fare in a multi-user setup? 
> >_D 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." 
> > 
> > >From: "Haslett, Andrew" 
> > >Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> > >To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" 
> > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > >Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 10:28:09 +0930 
> > > 
> > >Sure. 
> > > 
> > >Create a table (table1) with two fields (ID: Autonumber, Field1: 
> Text) 
> > > 
> > >Paste this code into a module and away you go: 
> > > 
> > >****************************************************************** 
> 
> > > 
> > >Sub TestIdentity() 
> > > 
> > > Dim conn As ADODB.Connection, rs As ADODB.Recordset 
> > > Set conn = CurrentProject.Connection 
> > > 
> > > strSQL = "INSERT INTO table1 (field1) VALUES ('SomeValue')" 
> > > conn.Execute strSQL 
> > > 
> > > strSQL = "SELECT @@Identity" 
> > > Set rs = conn.Execute(strSQL) 
> > > 
> > > intID = rs.Fields.Item(0).Value 
> > > 
> > > Debug.Print intID 
> > > 
> > > rs.Close 
> > > conn.Close 
> > > 
> > >End Sub 
> > > 
> > >****************************************************************** 
> 
> > > 
> > >Cheers, 
> > >Andrew 
> > > 
> > >-----Original Message----- 
> > >From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz] 
> > >Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 9:43 AM 
> > >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >Andrew, just to complete the knowledge flowing freely here (great 
> stuff), 
> >if 
> > >I've used a SQL statement to INSERT the new record, can I use 
> @@Identity 
> > >(and how)? 
> > > 
> > >Thanks 
> > >Stephen Bond 
> > > 
> > >-----Original Message----- 
> > >From: Haslett, Andrew [mailto:andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au] 
> > >Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 10:43 a.m. 
> > >To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
> > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >Jet 4.0 supports @@Identity. Therefore if you are inserting your 
> record in 
> > >code using ADO then it will work fine. 
> > > 
> > >Cheers, 
> > >Andrew 
> > > 
> > >-----Original Message----- 
> > >From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] 
> > >Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 2:01 AM 
> > >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >I don't think that works in MDBs, which I assume Stephen meant, 
> else he 
> > >would have posted on the SQL list. 
> > > 
> > >Arthur 
> > > 
> > >-----Original Message----- 
> > >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> > >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Haslett, Andrew 
> > >Sent: May 6, 2003 12:09 AM 
> > >To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
> > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >SELECT @@IDENTITY 
> > > 
> > >-----Original Message----- 
> > >From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz] 
> > >Sent: Tuesday, 6 May 2003 12:23 PM 
> > >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> > >Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >In this thread a couple of months ago there was a solution offered 
> to the 
> > >problem of determining the value of an ID Autonumber of a record 
> just 
> >added. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >It was stunning in its simplicity, so of course I didn't write it 
> down ;-( 
> > > 
> > >Can anyone help? 
> > > 
> > >TIA 
> > > 
> > >Stephen Bond 
> > >Otatara, New Zealand 
> > >( tel 03 213 1256 fax 03 213 0123 
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From gale_perez at yahoo.com  Thu May  8 17:45:49 2003
From: gale_perez at yahoo.com (Gale Perez)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 15:45:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Access Normalization
Message-ID: <20030508224549.36777.qmail@web21210.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello!

I haven't posted for quite a while (have been working
in Oracle, am now doing project management and working
on some Access tracking DBs).  It's nice to be back
and see familiar names :)

Is there a way to export Access table definitions into
Excel or into a normalization tool (we're using
Brackets)?  I'm asking on someone else's behalf and
she has tried Export but gets the message that she
doesn't have permissions (it's not a secured
database).  Can you access the data dictionary with
SQL statements?

Thank you for any assistance,
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu May  8 18:01:44 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 09:01:44 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
In-Reply-To: <00ad01c315ac$00848970$8e01a8c0@Rock>
References: <OPEHJDCMPKDOHDELKBPHAEHODLAA.nancy.lytle@auatac.com>
Message-ID: <3EBB6E78.29588.3E5F73@localhost>

On a couple of occasions where I've run into this, I've replaced the 
Chr$(39) with a Chr$(96) which doesn`t look to dissimilar (that's 
what's in the previous "doesn`t") and is very rarely used.

I Replace() it back wherever I can before displaying the data, but if 
it sneaks through raw into a query or report it remains quite 
readable.

I normally use a couple of simple functions:

Function SafeQuote(data as string) as string
	SafeQuote = Replace(data,Chr$(39),Chr$(96) 
End Function

Function RealQuote(data as string) as string
	RealQuote = Replace(data,Chr$(96),Chr$(39) 
End Function

In this case it becomes
"Insert into...... SafeQuote(ErrDescription)....."


On 8 May 2003 at 17:51, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> 
> ? Replace("The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form
> that doesn't exist.", Chr(39), Chr(34)) The form name "This Form" is
> misspelled or refers to a form that doesn"t exist.
> 
> Note the double quote in doesn't.
> 
> I was playing around with variations on the above Replace() when
> suddenly it occurred to me that there's a much slicker way:
> 
> ? Replace("The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form
> that doesn't exist.", "doesn't", "does not") The form name 'This Form'
> is misspelled or refers to a form that does not exist.
> 
> Admittedly it's limited to this particular error message and would
> fail on strings such as "The form name 'This Form' was created by
> Michael O'Hara and Patty O'Furniture."
> 
> Too bad Access doesn't do regex.
> 

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From harkins at iglou.com  Thu May  8 18:03:27 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 19:03:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Normalization
References: <20030508224549.36777.qmail@web21210.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004501c315b6$0aab5e60$feecffcc@SusanOne>

Well, if it'll work, you can use XML to export schema -- would be the
easiest solution if it's adequate.

Susan H.


> Hello!
>
> I haven't posted for quite a while (have been working
> in Oracle, am now doing project management and working
> on some Access tracking DBs).  It's nice to be back
> and see familiar names :)
>
> Is there a way to export Access table definitions into
> Excel or into a normalization tool (we're using
> Brackets)?  I'm asking on someone else's behalf and
> she has tried Export but gets the message that she
> doesn't have permissions (it's not a secured
> database).  Can you access the data dictionary with
> SQL statements?
>
> Thank you for any assistance,
> Gale
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu May  8 19:14:04 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 17:14:04 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Mail Merge Start Second Copy of Access
Message-ID: <014401c315bf$e6aa6790$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Dear List:

I do a mail merge from an A2K app to Word.  The user selects the document to merge to.  They set the doc up before hand using as a data source a table in the app front end.  I put the customer name and address info in this table and it merges quite nicely into the word doc.

But the merging opens up Access and the front end a second time.  Doesn't really bother the user too much but they'd like to get rid of it if possible.  User insists it didn't used to do that and now it does.  I can't remember.  They're running Win2K and A2K.

I speculated that it opened up the second instance because of the link to the front end table as the data source for the merge.

anyway, is this normal?  Can it stopped?

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu May  8 19:19:47 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 17:19:47 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
In-Reply-To: <OPEHJDCMPKDOHDELKBPHGEIADLAA.nancy.lytle@auatac.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFMEAGCIAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Nancy:

You might have to check the fields you are getting the data from and the
ones you are putting the data into. Check to see if the fields you are
inserting the data into match the data type you are putting into them. A
common mistake is to try and put string data into a numeric field. All data
with "'" marks around are assumed to be character fields and date string
fields. Other fields do not require quotation marks. Remember also dates can
be stored as date strings or as numeric data. Check the source and
destination carefully.

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 12:38 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem


John's version gave me:

insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], [UserName],
[ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is
misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 3:10:56 PM',
'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')

And Andy's gave me:
insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], [UserName],
[ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is
misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 3:12:39 PM',
'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')

Both of which seem identical to what I got.  I think I am going crazy!  It
has to be something terribly simple, but I just can't get it.

By the way I am using A2000 on Win2000.

I have used this same technique many times in the past, but this time it
just won't work.

It has to be the single quotes inside the Err_Description.

Nancy L.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 2:12 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem


Nancy
How about

strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription],
[ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values "
strSQLInsert = strSQLInsert & "(" & lngErrNumber & ", '" &
Left(strErrDescription, 255) & "' ,Now(), '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" &
vShowUser & "', '" & strCallingProc & "')"

How does that do?

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
> Sent: 08 May 2003 19:02
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
>
>
> Thank you for your reply but it still doesn't want to work
>
> Using your code this is the insert statement produced:
>
> insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription],
> [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values
> ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers
> to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:55:33 PM',
> 'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')
>
> THe message I get is Syntax error (missing operator) in query
> expression:
>
>  "The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form
> that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:55:33 PM', 'nlytle',
> 'True', 'Form_Open()')'.
>
> It may have to do with the single quotes inside the
> ErrDescription, notice the double quotes at the beggining and
> single quote ending Any ideas?
>
> Nancy L
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Ruff
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:35 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
>
>
> strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber],
> [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser],
> [CallingProc]) values "
>
> Error in this second line, the lngErrNumber is a number so
> remove the apostrophe before and after lngErrNumber.  Now()
> is a date so place a # before and after Now().  The SQL
> statement should be; strSQLInsert = strSQLInsert & "(" &
> lngErrNumber & ",'" & Left(strErrDescription, 255) & "',#" &
> Now() & "#', '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "', '"
> & strCallingProc & "')"
>
>
>
> John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
> Always Looking For Contract Opportunities
>
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>
> "Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
>                 and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:31 AM
> To: Accessd
> Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
>
>
> Can anyone see what is wrong with this statement?
> I have a feeling it has to do with quote marks but I have
> been pulling my hair out trying to get it,  I guess I just
> can't see the forrest for the trees.
>
> strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber],
> [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser],
> [CallingProc]) values " strSQLInsert = strSQLInsert & "('" &
> lngErrNumber & "' ,'" & Left(strErrDescription, 255) & "' ,'"
> & Now() & "', '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "',
> '" & strCallingProc & "')"
>
> This is how it reads when I try and do the insert:
> insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription],
> [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values
> ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers
> to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:28:00 PM',
> 'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')
>
> Thanks,
> Nancy L
>
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From pblack at hotmail.com  Thu May  8 19:28:32 2003
From: pblack at hotmail.com (Paul Black)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 00:28:32 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K Developers Toolkit
Message-ID: <Sea2-F1955g7AMeKZrU0000fb0b@hotmail.com>


Try ebay. I purchased the toolkit for A97 there a couple of years ago

PB

>From: "Steve Capistrant" <scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] A2K Developers Toolkit
>Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 16:34:55 -0500
>
>Would anyone be willing to sell their old A2K Developers Toolkit?  Not
>available at any retail locations, of course.  We've got 97 and XP, but no
>2000, and of course now a really specific need has cropped up.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Steve Capistrant
>scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com
>Phone: 612-333-1311
>Symphony Information Services
>www.symphonyinfo.com
>212 3rd Ave N, Ste 404
>Minneapolis, MN 55401
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu May  8 19:46:13 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 10:46:13 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
In-Reply-To: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFMEAGCIAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
References: <OPEHJDCMPKDOHDELKBPHGEIADLAA.nancy.lytle@auatac.com>
Message-ID: <3EBB86F5.1120.AA01E90@localhost>

On 8 May 2003 at 17:19, Jim Lawrence (AccessD) wrote:

> 
> I have used this same technique many times in the past, but this time it
> just won't work.
> 
> It has to be the single quotes inside the Err_Description.
> 

If you are trying to insert a single quote in a field in an SQL statement you need to "Escape" it by making it two 
consecutive single quotes. 

Try Replace("ErrDescription",Chr$(39),CHr$(39) & Chr$(39)) instead of just ErrDescription


-- 
Stuart McLachlan
Lexacorp Ltd
Application Development,  IT Consultancy
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg


From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu May  8 20:16:53 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 18:16:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] VB module to send mail in Lotus Notes
References: <008401c315a8$da8f0180$a2c50a44@hr.cox.net>
Message-ID: <3EBB0185.6000904@shaw.ca>

 try to add domobj.tlb (COM) to your reference list from wherever it is 
on D drive.

Barbara Ryan wrote:

> I have a VB module (in an Access 97 database) that uses Lotus Notes to 
> send mail.  It has worked fine at several client sites, but is 
> encountering problems at a new site.  The error received is "429: 
> ActiveX component can't create object".  It apparently is erroring on 
> the statement "Set Session = CreateObject("Notes.NotesSession")". (see 
> all code below)
>  
> The only difference (that I am aware of) is that this client uses 
> Lotus Notes 5.0 10 and the Lotus Notes client is installed on a server.
>  
> This is really more of a Lotus Notes question, but I have not yet been 
> able to find a forum where I can ask this question.
>  
> Any thoughts/suggestions?
>  
> Thanks,
> Barb Ryan
>  
> Private Sub SendNotesMail()
>     On Error GoTo Err_Handler
>    
>     'Set up the objects required for Automation into lotus notes
>     Dim Maildb As Object 'The mail database
>     Dim UserName As String 'The current users notes name
>     Dim MailDbName As String 'THe current users notes mail database name
>     Dim MailDoc As Object 'The mail document itself
>     Dim AttachME As Object 'The attachment richtextfile object
>     Dim Session As Object 'The notes session
>     Dim EmbedObj As Object 'The embedded object (Attachment)
>    
>     'Start a session to notes
>     Set Session = CreateObject("Notes.NotesSession")
>    
>     'Get the sessions username and then calculate the mail file name
>     UserName = Session.UserName
>     MailDbName = Left$(UserName, 1) & Right$(UserName, (Len(UserName) 
> - InStr(1, UserName, " "))) & ".nsf"
>    
>     'Open the mail database in notes
>     Set Maildb = Session.GETDATABASE("", MailDbName)
>      If Maildb.isOpen = True Then
>           'Already open for mail
>      Else
>          Maildb.OPENMAIL
>      End If
>     
>     'Set up the new mail document
>     Set MailDoc = Maildb.CREATEDOCUMENT
>     MailDoc.Form = "Memo"
>     MailDoc.sendto = strRecipient
>     MailDoc.Subject = strSubject
>    
>     If strLongSnaphotName > "" Then
>         strbody = "This document, and any attachments therein, 
> contains proprietary and confidential information that may not be 
> disclosed without the prior written permission of Huntsman 
> Corporation. Unauthorized use or misuse of this information and its 
> contents is strictly prohibited." & vbCrLf & vbCrLf & "The attached 
> file must be viewed using Microsoft Snapshot Viewer, which is a free 
> download at http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/9798/snpvw80.aspx" & 
> vbCrLf & vbCrLf & "Huntsman reference: " & strLongSnaphotName
>     Else
>         strbody = "This document, and any attachments therein, 
> contains proprietary and confidential information that may not be 
> disclosed without the prior written permission of Huntsman 
> Corporation. Unauthorized use or misuse of this information and its 
> contents is strictly prohibited." & vbCrLf & vbCrLf & "The attached 
> file must be viewed using Microsoft Snapshot Viewer, which is a free 
> download at http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/9798/snpvw80.aspx"
>     End If
>     
>     MailDoc.Body = strbody
>     MailDoc.SAVEMESSAGEONSEND = True
>    
>     'Set up the embedded object and attachment and attach it
>     Set AttachME = MailDoc.createrichtextitem("attachment")
>     Set EmbedObj = AttachME.embedObject(1454, "", strAttachment)
>    
>     'Send the document
>     MailDoc.PostedDate = Now() 'Gets the mail to appear in the sent 
> items folder
>     MailDoc.SEND 0, strRecipient
>    
>     'Clean Up
>     Set Maildb = Nothing
>     Set MailDoc = Nothing
>     Set AttachME = Nothing
>     Set Session = Nothing
>     Set EmbedObj = Nothing
>    
> Exit_SendNotesMail:
>     Exit Sub
>  
> Err_Handler:
>     blnError = True
>     MsgBox Err.Number & ":" & Err.Description
>     Resume Exit_SendNotesMail
>    
> End Sub
>  
>  
>
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>
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From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Thu May  8 21:03:41 2003
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 22:03:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] VB module to send mail in Lotus Notes
References: <008401c315a8$da8f0180$a2c50a44@hr.cox.net>
	<3EBB0185.6000904@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <001b01c315cf$36dbe4a0$a2c50a44@hr.cox.net>

Thanks, Marty, I'll have the client try that ...............Barb

----- Original Message -----
From: MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB module to send mail in Lotus Notes


> try to add domobj.tlb (COM) to your reference list from wherever it is
> on D drive.
>
> Barbara Ryan wrote:
>
> > I have a VB module (in an Access 97 database) that uses Lotus Notes to
> > send mail.  It has worked fine at several client sites, but is
> > encountering problems at a new site.  The error received is "429:
> > ActiveX component can't create object".  It apparently is erroring on
> > the statement "Set Session = CreateObject("Notes.NotesSession")". (see
> > all code below)
> >
> > The only difference (that I am aware of) is that this client uses
> > Lotus Notes 5.0 10 and the Lotus Notes client is installed on a server.
> >
> > This is really more of a Lotus Notes question, but I have not yet been
> > able to find a forum where I can ask this question.
> >
> > Any thoughts/suggestions?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Barb Ryan
> >
> > Private Sub SendNotesMail()
> >     On Error GoTo Err_Handler
> >
> >     'Set up the objects required for Automation into lotus notes
> >     Dim Maildb As Object 'The mail database
> >     Dim UserName As String 'The current users notes name
> >     Dim MailDbName As String 'THe current users notes mail database name
> >     Dim MailDoc As Object 'The mail document itself
> >     Dim AttachME As Object 'The attachment richtextfile object
> >     Dim Session As Object 'The notes session
> >     Dim EmbedObj As Object 'The embedded object (Attachment)
> >
> >     'Start a session to notes
> >     Set Session = CreateObject("Notes.NotesSession")
> >
> >     'Get the sessions username and then calculate the mail file name
> >     UserName = Session.UserName
> >     MailDbName = Left$(UserName, 1) & Right$(UserName, (Len(UserName)
> > - InStr(1, UserName, " "))) & ".nsf"
> >
> >     'Open the mail database in notes
> >     Set Maildb = Session.GETDATABASE("", MailDbName)
> >      If Maildb.isOpen = True Then
> >           'Already open for mail
> >      Else
> >          Maildb.OPENMAIL
> >      End If
> >
> >     'Set up the new mail document
> >     Set MailDoc = Maildb.CREATEDOCUMENT
> >     MailDoc.Form = "Memo"
> >     MailDoc.sendto = strRecipient
> >     MailDoc.Subject = strSubject
> >
> >     If strLongSnaphotName > "" Then
> >         strbody = "This document, and any attachments therein,
> > contains proprietary and confidential information that may not be
> > disclosed without the prior written permission of Huntsman
> > Corporation. Unauthorized use or misuse of this information and its
> > contents is strictly prohibited." & vbCrLf & vbCrLf & "The attached
> > file must be viewed using Microsoft Snapshot Viewer, which is a free
> > download at http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/9798/snpvw80.aspx" &
> > vbCrLf & vbCrLf & "Huntsman reference: " & strLongSnaphotName
> >     Else
> >         strbody = "This document, and any attachments therein,
> > contains proprietary and confidential information that may not be
> > disclosed without the prior written permission of Huntsman
> > Corporation. Unauthorized use or misuse of this information and its
> > contents is strictly prohibited." & vbCrLf & vbCrLf & "The attached
> > file must be viewed using Microsoft Snapshot Viewer, which is a free
> > download at http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/9798/snpvw80.aspx"
> >     End If
> >
> >     MailDoc.Body = strbody
> >     MailDoc.SAVEMESSAGEONSEND = True
> >
> >     'Set up the embedded object and attachment and attach it
> >     Set AttachME = MailDoc.createrichtextitem("attachment")
> >     Set EmbedObj = AttachME.embedObject(1454, "", strAttachment)
> >
> >     'Send the document
> >     MailDoc.PostedDate = Now() 'Gets the mail to appear in the sent
> > items folder
> >     MailDoc.SEND 0, strRecipient
> >
> >     'Clean Up
> >     Set Maildb = Nothing
> >     Set MailDoc = Nothing
> >     Set AttachME = Nothing
> >     Set Session = Nothing
> >     Set EmbedObj = Nothing
> >
> > Exit_SendNotesMail:
> >     Exit Sub
> >
> > Err_Handler:
> >     blnError = True
> >     MsgBox Err.Number & ":" & Err.Description
> >     Resume Exit_SendNotesMail
> >
> > End Sub
> >
> >
> >
> >------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
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From davesharpe2 at cox.net  Thu May  8 21:13:07 2003
From: davesharpe2 at cox.net (dave sharpe)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 22:13:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
References: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJMEEOEFAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <005701c315d0$87ec5860$1d270a44@bcs006137>

Friends

I involved an acquaintance ( outside of AccessD ) that has
published a couple of books on SQL and Access. His answer
basically confirms what We've already concluded about
it being undocumented; but in it's entirety his response might
provide some more insight into the question.

Dave

=================
Dave-

I can't remember exactly how I discovered it for 97.  I think I found the [ ... ]. syntax saved by 2000 (examine the SQL property after you save the query).  Tried it in 97, and it worked!  Apparently JET 3 supported it, but it was undocumented.  They updated the syntax parser in 2000 to accept the ANSI syntax and then "morph" it to the undocumented syntax that JET understands.

John Viescas, author
Microsoft Office Access 2003 Inside Out (coming soon)
Running Microsoft Access 2000
SQL Queries for Mere Mortals
http://www.viescas.com/


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Bartow 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 12:45 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


  Ah, man on a mission - I found the issue of Access Advisor.

  It was December 2001 Advisor Tips

  "Creating Derived Tables in Jet"

  Access 2002/200/97

  SQL Server lets you create derived tables, which are SELECT statements that
  appear in the FROM clause of a query. In other words, you can select from
  the resultset returned by a nested SELECT  statement. There is no documented
  way to accomplish this in a Jet query without using a saved nested query,
  but there is a, but there is a little-known synatx that makes it possible.
  The following query runs in Access 97 and uses a derived table named "GIO"
  which is not a saved object. The derived table must be enclosed in square
  brackets and terminated with a period: [<Select Staement>].

  SELECT Products.ProductName, Products.UnitPrice, Gio.CatAvg,
  Categories.CategoryName
  FROM (Products INNER JOIN [SELECT Products.CategoryID,
  Categories.CategoryName, Avg(Products.UnitPrice) AS CatAvg
  FROM Categories
  INNER JOIN Products
  ON Categories.CategoryID = Products.CategoryID
  GROUP BY Products.CategoryID, Categories.CategoryName]. AS Gio ON
  Gio.CategoryID = Products.CategoryID) INNER JOIN Categories ON
  Products.CategoryID = Categories.CategoryID
  ORDER BY Products.ProductID;

  -Giovanni Caruso, via Andy Barron, Contributing Editor

  Open Northwind DB and paste the listed select statement into the SQL window
  of a query, save it and then run it to see the results. Don't try to run
  before saving though because the query design grid will mess it up really
  bad.

  I checked the archives of every other access list I know of and other than
  "Paul's" response to Gustav on AccessD in mid 2001 it is the earliest
  reference to this syntax I can find. Given that Giovanni's tip was probably
  submitted months before it was actually published it would be hard to know
  which was first. It could be coincidence that both of them originated at
  roughly the same time. But then again, I have seen a lot of tips in
  newsletters and magazines, from both readers and staff, that seem to arrive
  shortly after an item was discussed on one list or another! Maybe Giovanni
  saw the tip here and really wanted one of those t-shirts from Access
  Advisor!

  JB



   -----Original Message-----
   From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
   [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
   Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:15 AM
   To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
   Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


   Hi Lambert

  It seems to me that the [Select * from Foo].  syntax allows one to create queries in Access that use a sub-query as the base table. In other words you don't need a temporary table or an already saved query. This is something I've often wished I could do, if only the [ ]. syntax was documented somewhere.

  Which begs the question - just how did this special syntax get discovered? It always intrigues me when someone pops out of the woods and  says "hey look at this undocumented feature..."

  It was someone called Paul in July 2001 that mentioned it as common knowledge ...

  /gustav

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From SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au  Thu May  8 21:34:27 2003
From: SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au (Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 12:34:27 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Code ownership
Message-ID: <002901c315d3$831f86b0$54dd31d2@OfficePC>

Re:I found this article 'Who owns the Application code?' very interesting for someone on the other side of the fence:

http://www.zdnet.com.au/builder/manage/business/story/0,2000035090,20274296,00.htm

Kath Pelletti
Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
Ph: 9505-6714
Fax: 9505-6430
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From SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au  Thu May  8 22:08:27 2003
From: SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au (Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 13:08:27 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT
Message-ID: <004501c315d8$43529270$54dd31d2@OfficePC>

Have any of you had much experience with scheduling applications to run (ie. mdb files) using the AT command?

I am trying to get a job to run overnight for a client using the following syntax:

at 14:26 /interactive /Every:M,T,W,Th,F cmd /c D:\Prices\Priceload.bat

where the files Priceload.bat contains the following:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

@ECHO OFF
REM Daily Price File Load
TITLE GBST PRICE LOAD

M:
cd \Price
echo ENTER PRICE FOLDER
ntsleep 2 > nul

Call Price.mdb

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


I then get the message 'M:\Price\Price.mdb file not found'.

Because it is real PITN to keep mucking around with this syntax in DOS, I am also having a play with some shareware(?) the client had called WINAT. It seems good, but when I use it at my client site to edit the paremeters of the AT command, extra characters appear at the end of the command, so I am not sure whether the command will work or not. Characters are things like pipes and @symbols. 

So my question for anyone using AT is: do you have any tips to share? What is the most reliable way you have found to schedule an mdb to run?

TIA
Kath


Kath Pelletti
Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
Ph: 9505-6714
Fax: 9505-6430
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From david.powell at bbm.wapl.com.au  Thu May  8 22:10:38 2003
From: david.powell at bbm.wapl.com.au (Powell, David (BBM))
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 11:10:38 +0800
Subject: [AccessD]  Accessing individual cell information from excel with
	an ADO connection
Message-ID: <1C66E1A38F4E22499CE329884E3FA8B10207F13F@WAPLMAIL.wapl.com.au>

Thanks for all your input so far.  I have finally got this working and
it works well when you have columns of data with headings.  What I need
to do now is extract a cell value from a report layout which doesn't
have column headings.  Eg. Range("E21").  Any help will be greatly
appreciated.


TIA

David


-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 10:22 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Accessing individual cell information from excel
with an ADO connection


Yes, my example had the fields and tables wrapped in `'s  (Note, that is
the character underneath the tilde on most keyboards.  Personally, when
I began using ADO with Excel, I cheated.  I used VB 6.0's Data
Environment to create a connection to an Excel spreadsheet, then I used
it's query builder to make the SQL I wanted.

I know it's cheating, but it works! <VBG>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Powell, David (BBM) [mailto:david.powell at bbm.wapl.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 3:00 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Accessing individual cell information from excel
with an ADO connection


Thanks Drew for the VERY quick reply.  Just one problem though.  The SQL
part doesn't work.  This is how I have set up my code thus far:

  Dim cnn As New ADODB.Connection
  Dim rs As ADODB.Recordset
  With cnn
    .Provider = "Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
    .Properties("Extended Properties") = "Excel 8.0"
    .Open "C:\MyPath\MyXLSpreadsheet.xls"
  End With
  Set rs = New ADODB.Recordset
  rs.Open "SELECT MyCellTitle From MAY03", cnn, adOpenDynamic,
adLockOptimistic

If I add a $ to the end of MAY03 in the select statement as suggested, I
get an error "syntax error in FROM clause"  If I remove the $ I get an
error "The Microsoft Jet database engine could not find the object
'MAY03'

I have successfully connected to another spreadsheet and succeeded, but
created a new spreadsheet from scratch and have the same results as the
first one.  Any idea why I can't connect to this spreadsheet?


Regards

David


-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 1:31 PM
To: 'AccessD '
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Accessing individual cell information from excel
with an ADO connection


Select `MyCellsTitle`
>From `Sheet1$`

That SQL will open a recordset with only one row.  (Of course the row
needs to have a header titled MyCellsTitle (whatever is in the first
row).

To open a ADO connection object for an excel spreadsheet:

With cnnExcel
    .Provider = "Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
    .Properties("Extended Properties") = "Excel 8.0"
End With
cnnExcel.Open strPath

-----Original Message-----
From: Powell, David (BBM)
To: AccessD
Sent: 5/7/03 12:10 AM
Subject: [AccessD]  Accessing individual cell information from excel
with an ADO connection

Hi, 

I am trying to collate relevant data which is entered into a vast number
of excel spreadsheets into one centralised access database.  Can someone
please point me in  the right direction on how to reference a cell to
copy to a table field.


TIA 

David 




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From bobbedell15 at msn.com  Thu May  8 22:51:20 2003
From: bobbedell15 at msn.com (Bob Bedell)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 03:51:20 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
Message-ID: <BAY4-F13hg1vSiSxREN0000bdad@hotmail.com>

Hi all,

Sorry Don for piggy-backing off your post, but I've been interested in this 
thread for a bit now, and I
was just working through my "things I printed off the Internet a year ago 
intending to read by now"
pile and came across this. I don't believe its been posted yet, but it seems 
to hold some interest:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;232144

Please forgive me if I'm several days late (I can assure you I'm several 
dollars short).


>From: "Don Elliker" <delliker at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
>Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 09:11:41 -0400
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu May  8 23:24:05 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 14:24:05 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT
In-Reply-To: <004501c315d8$43529270$54dd31d2@OfficePC>
Message-ID: <3EBBBA05.9419.B679E4B@localhost>

On 9 May 2003 at 13:08, Software Design & Solutions P wrote:

> Have any of you had much experience with scheduling applications to run (ie. mdb files) using the AT command?
> 
> I am trying to get a job to run overnight for a client using the following syntax:
> 
> at 14:26 /interactive /Every:M,T,W,Th,F cmd /c D:\Prices\Priceload.bat
> 
> where the files Priceload.bat contains the following:
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> @ECHO OFF
> REM Daily Price File Load
> TITLE GBST PRICE LOAD
> 
> M:
> cd \Price
> echo ENTER PRICE FOLDER
> ntsleep 2 > nul

What OS? (I don't recognise NTSLEEP - what is it doing)

> 
> Call Price.mdb
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> I then get the message 'M:\Price\Price.mdb file not found'.
> 

It is actually looking for a file called M:\Price\Price.mdb.bat :-(
CALL  will only run another batch file.

To open the MDB , you need to actually run Access and give the MDB name as a parameter

Replace the line - Call Price.mdb
 with -
"c:\program files\microsoft office\office\msaccess.exe"  Price.mdb

or whatever the path is to the access application

> 
> So my question for anyone using AT is: do you have any tips to share? What is the most reliable way you have found to schedule an mdb to run?
> 

I generally just do a

AT 05:00 /Every:Mo,Tu,We,Th,Fr  GetPrice

Then I create a batchfile (GetPrice.cmd) which just contains one line:

"c:\program files\microsoft office\office\msaccess.exe"  C:\Apps\GetPrice.mdb




-- 
Stuart McLachlan
Lexacorp Ltd
Application Development,  IT Consultancy
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg


From viner at eunet.yu  Fri May  9 00:29:30 2003
From: viner at eunet.yu (Ervin Brindza)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 07:29:30 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Insert record into  fake group
References: <002f01c3154e$06f29760$0100a8c0@razvoj>
	<4417397976.20030508130006@cactus.dk> <002901c3155d$cba90760$0100a8c0@razvoj>
	<12924291649.20030508145500@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <014901c315ed$bb650c60$0100a8c0@razvoj>

> Before you'll get beaten by the normalization gurus of the list (I'm
> one but I don't beat) you should consider to split those sort orders
> out to separate (numeric) fields. In the long run I'm convinced it'll
> save you a lot of trouble.
>
Gustav,
beat me, if there is no excuse, but the backend database is deployed, and I
have to use the existing text field :(
Thanks,
    Ervin





From SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au  Fri May  9 01:10:48 2003
From: SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au (Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 16:10:48 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT
References: <3EBBBA05.9419.B679E4B@localhost>
Message-ID: <001801c315f1$bc7a2910$54dd31d2@OfficePC>

Thanks Stuart - I will try adding that ref to msaccess.
Cheers
Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Stuart McLachlan 
  To: Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd. ; accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:24 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT


  On 9 May 2003 at 13:08, Software Design & Solutions P wrote:

  > Have any of you had much experience with scheduling applications to run (ie. mdb files) using the AT command?
  > 
  > I am trying to get a job to run overnight for a client using the following syntax:
  > 
  > at 14:26 /interactive /Every:M,T,W,Th,F cmd /c D:\Prices\Priceload.bat
  > 
  > where the files Priceload.bat contains the following:
  > 
  > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  > 
  > @ECHO OFF
  > REM Daily Price File Load
  > TITLE GBST PRICE LOAD
  > 
  > M:
  > cd \Price
  > echo ENTER PRICE FOLDER
  > ntsleep 2 > nul

  What OS? (I don't recognise NTSLEEP - what is it doing)

  > 
  > Call Price.mdb
  > 
  > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  > 
  > 
  > I then get the message 'M:\Price\Price.mdb file not found'.
  > 

  It is actually looking for a file called M:\Price\Price.mdb.bat :-(
  CALL  will only run another batch file.

  To open the MDB , you need to actually run Access and give the MDB name as a parameter

  Replace the line - Call Price.mdb
   with -
  "c:\program files\microsoft office\office\msaccess.exe"  Price.mdb

  or whatever the path is to the access application

  > 
  > So my question for anyone using AT is: do you have any tips to share? What is the most reliable way you have found to schedule an mdb to run?
  > 

  I generally just do a

  AT 05:00 /Every:Mo,Tu,We,Th,Fr  GetPrice

  Then I create a batchfile (GetPrice.cmd) which just contains one line:

  "c:\program files\microsoft office\office\msaccess.exe"  C:\Apps\GetPrice.mdb




  -- 
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  Lexacorp Ltd
  Application Development,  IT Consultancy
  http://www.lexacorp.com.pg

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri May  9 01:53:00 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 07:53:00 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
In-Reply-To: <3EBB6141.30285.AC155@localhost>
Message-ID: <00b501c315f7$a4407920$b274d0d5@andypc>

Thanks for the explanation Stuart.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: 08 May 2003 23:05
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> 
> 
> @@Identity is a system wide variable. It returns the last autonumber 
> generated by the system. You certainly can't rely on it to return a 
> particular record number in either a multi user system or in a system 
> where you are inserting into more than one table with autonumbers 
> keys in the same transaction.
> 
> On 8 May 2003 at 9:11, Don Elliker wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Forgive me being dense, but do you mean that @@Identity has 
> to be used 
> > within a transaction (DAO) to get the right autonumber for 
> the current 
> > record? thanks, _d
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > "Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them."
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > >From: "Haslett, Andrew"
> > >Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> > >To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" 
> > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > >Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 08:56:11 +0930 
> > > 
> > >It is safer as @@Identity is linked only to the connection (or
> > transaction)
> > >which created the record.
> > > 
> > >Otherwise you are risking that another user will insert a 
> record in-
> > between
> > >adding and retrieving the ID of the record added by the first user.
> > > 
> > >I'm not sure if that is a risk using the other methods mentioned on
> > this
> > >list, however I *do* now that with @@Identity there is no risk of
> > this
> > >happening.
> > > 
> > >Cheers,
> > >Andrew 
> > > 
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
> > >Sent: Thursday, 8 May 2003 5:22 AM 
> > >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >How does this fare in a multi-user setup?
> > >_D 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them."
> > > 
> > > >From: "Haslett, Andrew"
> > > >Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > >To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" 
> > > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > > >Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 10:28:09 +0930 
> > > > 
> > > >Sure.
> > > > 
> > > >Create a table (table1) with two fields (ID: Autonumber, Field1:
> > Text)
> > > > 
> > > >Paste this code into a module and away you go:
> > > > 
> > > 
> >******************************************************************
> > 
> > > > 
> > > >Sub TestIdentity()
> > > > 
> > > > Dim conn As ADODB.Connection, rs As ADODB.Recordset
> > > > Set conn = CurrentProject.Connection 
> > > > 
> > > > strSQL = "INSERT INTO table1 (field1) VALUES ('SomeValue')"
> > > > conn.Execute strSQL 
> > > > 
> > > > strSQL = "SELECT @@Identity"
> > > > Set rs = conn.Execute(strSQL) 
> > > > 
> > > > intID = rs.Fields.Item(0).Value
> > > > 
> > > > Debug.Print intID
> > > > 
> > > > rs.Close
> > > > conn.Close 
> > > > 
> > > >End Sub
> > > > 
> > > 
> >******************************************************************
> > 
> > > > 
> > > >Cheers,
> > > >Andrew 
> > > > 
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz] 
> > > >Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 9:43 AM 
> > > >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >Andrew, just to complete the knowledge flowing freely here (great
> > stuff),
> > >if
> > > >I've used a SQL statement to INSERT the new record, can I use
> > @@Identity
> > > >(and how)?
> > > > 
> > > >Thanks
> > > >Stephen Bond 
> > > > 
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: Haslett, Andrew [mailto:andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au] 
> > > >Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 10:43 a.m. 
> > > >To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
> > > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >Jet 4.0 supports @@Identity. Therefore if you are inserting your
> > record in
> > > >code using ADO then it will work fine.
> > > > 
> > > >Cheers,
> > > >Andrew 
> > > > 
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] 
> > > >Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 2:01 AM 
> > > >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >I don't think that works in MDBs, which I assume Stephen meant,
> > else he
> > > >would have posted on the SQL list.
> > > > 
> > > >Arthur
> > > > 
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> > Haslett, Andrew
> > > >Sent: May 6, 2003 12:09 AM
> > > >To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
> > > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >SELECT @@IDENTITY
> > > > 
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz] 
> > > >Sent: Tuesday, 6 May 2003 12:23 PM 
> > > >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > >Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >In this thread a couple of months ago there was a 
> solution offered
> > to the
> > > >problem of determining the value of an ID Autonumber of a record
> > just
> > >added.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >It was stunning in its simplicity, so of course I didn't write it
> > down ;-(
> > > > 
> > > >Can anyone help?
> > > > 
> > > >TIA
> > > > 
> > > >Stephen Bond
> > > >Otatara, New Zealand 
> > > >( tel 03 213 1256 fax 03 213 0123 
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri May  9 01:55:37 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 07:55:37 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Mail Merge Start Second Copy of Access
In-Reply-To: <014401c315bf$e6aa6790$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <00b601c315f7$fed54140$b274d0d5@andypc>

Rocky
The FE hasn't moved to a different location has it?

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: 09 May 2003 01:14
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Mail Merge Start Second Copy of Access


Dear List:

I do a mail merge from an A2K app to Word.  The user selects the
document to merge to.  They set the doc up before hand using as a data
source a table in the app front end.  I put the customer name and
address info in this table and it merges quite nicely into the word doc.

But the merging opens up Access and the front end a second time.
Doesn't really bother the user too much but they'd like to get rid of it
if possible.  User insists it didn't used to do that and now it does.  I
can't remember.  They're running Win2K and A2K.

I speculated that it opened up the second instance because of the link
to the front end table as the data source for the merge.

anyway, is this normal?  Can it stopped?

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software


From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  9 02:25:45 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 02:25:45 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B29@main2.marlow.com>

What are you trying to run.  Is it just a data routine, or is it running
reports?  If it's just a data routine, I personally recommend using the NT
service OCX, which allows a VB .exe to run as an NT service.  Much easier to
deal with, shows up in the list of services, the ocx has an easy method to
dump information in the event viewer, etc.

Running reports can be done this way too, but it needs to use Automation.  

>From what I understand, VB.Net has the NT Service capability built in.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: 5/8/03 10:08 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT

Have any of you had much experience with scheduling applications to run
(ie. mdb files) using the AT command?
 
I am trying to get a job to run overnight for a client using the
following syntax:
 
at 14:26 /interactive /Every:M,T,W,Th,F cmd /c D:\Prices\Priceload.bat
 
where the files Priceload.bat contains the following:
  _____  

@ECHO OFF
REM Daily Price File Load
TITLE GBST PRICE LOAD
 
M:
cd \Price
echo ENTER PRICE FOLDER
ntsleep 2 > nul
 
Call Price.mdb

  _____  

 
I then get the message 'M:\Price\Price.mdb file not found'.
 
Because it is real PITN to keep mucking around with this syntax in DOS,
I am also having a play with some shareware(?) the client had called
WINAT. It seems good, but when I use it at my client site to edit the
paremeters of the AT command, extra characters appear at the end of the
command, so I am not sure whether the command will work or not.
Characters are things like pipes and @symbols. 
 
So my question for anyone using AT is: do you have any tips to share?
What is the most reliable way you have found to schedule an mdb to run?
 
TIA
Kath
 
 
Kath Pelletti
Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
Ph: 9505-6714
Fax: 9505-6430
SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au <mailto:SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au> 
 <<ATT11462.txt>> 

From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  9 02:27:35 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 02:27:35 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD]  Accessing individual cell information from excel w
	ith an ADO connection
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B2A@main2.marlow.com>

Yes, column headings make it easier, but you can still use the * option, and
then refer to the columns/fields by number/position.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Powell, David (BBM)
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: 5/8/03 10:10 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD]  Accessing individual cell information from excel
with an ADO connection

Thanks for all your input so far.  I have finally got this working and
it works well when you have columns of data with headings.  What I need
to do now is extract a cell value from a report layout which doesn't
have column headings.  Eg. Range("E21").  Any help will be greatly
appreciated.


TIA

David


-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 10:22 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Accessing individual cell information from excel
with an ADO connection


Yes, my example had the fields and tables wrapped in `'s  (Note, that is
the character underneath the tilde on most keyboards.  Personally, when
I began using ADO with Excel, I cheated.  I used VB 6.0's Data
Environment to create a connection to an Excel spreadsheet, then I used
it's query builder to make the SQL I wanted.

I know it's cheating, but it works! <VBG>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Powell, David (BBM) [mailto:david.powell at bbm.wapl.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 3:00 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Accessing individual cell information from excel
with an ADO connection


Thanks Drew for the VERY quick reply.  Just one problem though.  The SQL
part doesn't work.  This is how I have set up my code thus far:

  Dim cnn As New ADODB.Connection
  Dim rs As ADODB.Recordset
  With cnn
    .Provider = "Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
    .Properties("Extended Properties") = "Excel 8.0"
    .Open "C:\MyPath\MyXLSpreadsheet.xls"
  End With
  Set rs = New ADODB.Recordset
  rs.Open "SELECT MyCellTitle From MAY03", cnn, adOpenDynamic,
adLockOptimistic

If I add a $ to the end of MAY03 in the select statement as suggested, I
get an error "syntax error in FROM clause"  If I remove the $ I get an
error "The Microsoft Jet database engine could not find the object
'MAY03'

I have successfully connected to another spreadsheet and succeeded, but
created a new spreadsheet from scratch and have the same results as the
first one.  Any idea why I can't connect to this spreadsheet?


Regards

David


-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 1:31 PM
To: 'AccessD '
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Accessing individual cell information from excel
with an ADO connection


Select `MyCellsTitle`
>From `Sheet1$`

That SQL will open a recordset with only one row.  (Of course the row
needs to have a header titled MyCellsTitle (whatever is in the first
row).

To open a ADO connection object for an excel spreadsheet:

With cnnExcel
    .Provider = "Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
    .Properties("Extended Properties") = "Excel 8.0"
End With
cnnExcel.Open strPath

-----Original Message-----
From: Powell, David (BBM)
To: AccessD
Sent: 5/7/03 12:10 AM
Subject: [AccessD]  Accessing individual cell information from excel
with an ADO connection

Hi, 

I am trying to collate relevant data which is entered into a vast number
of excel spreadsheets into one centralised access database.  Can someone
please point me in  the right direction on how to reference a cell to
copy to a table field.


TIA 

David 




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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri May  9 03:35:47 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 10:35:47 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
In-Reply-To: <3EBB6141.30285.AC155@localhost>
References: <3EBB6141.30285.AC155@localhost>
Message-ID: <1065750378.20030509103547@cactus.dk>

Hi Andrew and Stuart et al

I'm confused!

Andrew wrote:

It is safer as  @@Identity is linked only to the connection (or transaction)
which created the record.  
 
Otherwise you are risking that another user will insert a record in-between
adding and retrieving the ID of the record added by the first user.
 
I'm not sure if that is a risk using the other methods mentioned on this
list, however I *do* now that with @@Identity there is no risk of this
happening.

but Stuart wrote:

> @@Identity is a system wide variable. It returns the last autonumber 
> generated by the system. You certainly can't rely on it to return a 
> particular record number in either a multi user system or in a system 
> where you are inserting into more than one table with autonumbers 
> keys in the same transaction.

So now, what to believe?

/gustav


From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri May  9 03:39:04 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 10:39:04 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Insert record into  fake group
In-Reply-To: <014901c315ed$bb650c60$0100a8c0@razvoj>
References: <002f01c3154e$06f29760$0100a8c0@razvoj>
	<002901c3155d$cba90760$0100a8c0@razvoj>
	<014901c315ed$bb650c60$0100a8c0@razvoj>
Message-ID: <695946740.20030509103904@cactus.dk>

Hi Ervin

>> Before you'll get beaten by the normalization gurus of the list (I'm
>> one but I don't beat) you should consider to split those sort orders
>> out to separate (numeric) fields. In the long run I'm convinced it'll
>> save you a lot of trouble.

> Gustav,
> beat me, if there is no excuse, but the backend database is deployed, and I
> have to use the existing text field :(

OK bad luck - except if you apply the famous Back End Upgrader (BEU)!

/gustav


From SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au  Fri May  9 03:46:17 2003
From: SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au (Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 18:46:17 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT
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Message-ID: <002101c31607$75085b90$54dd31d2@OfficePC>

Hi drew - this is an mdb - the basic process it performs is to log on to an external system, read in some data, manipulate that data and export it out to an external txt file.

I have done it in vba only because I do not know pure vb (and don't own it). There's no requirement to change it as it does the job - just need it automated. They are running Windows NT. You lost me on the NT service OCX. What is that?

Rgds
Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Drew Wutka 
  To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com ' 
  Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:25 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT


  What are you trying to run.  Is it just a data routine, or is it running
  reports?  If it's just a data routine, I personally recommend using the NT
  service OCX, which allows a VB .exe to run as an NT service.  Much easier to
  deal with, shows up in the list of services, the ocx has an easy method to
  dump information in the event viewer, etc.

  Running reports can be done this way too, but it needs to use Automation.  

  >From what I understand, VB.Net has the NT Service capability built in.

  Drew

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
  Sent: 5/8/03 10:08 PM
  Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT

  Have any of you had much experience with scheduling applications to run
  (ie. mdb files) using the AT command?
   
  I am trying to get a job to run overnight for a client using the
  following syntax:
   
  at 14:26 /interactive /Every:M,T,W,Th,F cmd /c D:\Prices\Priceload.bat
   
  where the files Priceload.bat contains the following:
    _____  

  @ECHO OFF
  REM Daily Price File Load
  TITLE GBST PRICE LOAD
   
  M:
  cd \Price
  echo ENTER PRICE FOLDER
  ntsleep 2 > nul
   
  Call Price.mdb

    _____  

   
  I then get the message 'M:\Price\Price.mdb file not found'.
   
  Because it is real PITN to keep mucking around with this syntax in DOS,
  I am also having a play with some shareware(?) the client had called
  WINAT. It seems good, but when I use it at my client site to edit the
  paremeters of the AT command, extra characters appear at the end of the
  command, so I am not sure whether the command will work or not.
  Characters are things like pipes and @symbols. 
   
  So my question for anyone using AT is: do you have any tips to share?
  What is the most reliable way you have found to schedule an mdb to run?
   
  TIA
  Kath
   
   
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  Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri May  9 04:09:31 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 11:09:31 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Disabling Links in Excel
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References: <BAY4-F17PiNDcvMemAs00008598@hotmail.com>
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 <19832913937.20030508171842@cactus.dk>
 <55337.199.67.140.20.1052408142.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <587774018.20030509110931@cactus.dk>

Hi Oleg

Yes, I think that is what I thought of - however I'm not an Excel guru
and others may have better advice for you.

/gustav

> you mean cop/paste special-values ?
> I've done that; it get read of 4 links, but still keeps one. And there is
> still that "Would you like to refresh the lnik" message which management
> doesn't like.

>> Hi Oleg
>>
>> If you use the workbook just for sending data with no need for
>> formulas you can replace all formulas and links of the cells with the
>> calculated values.


From markH at bitgen.co.uk  Fri May  9 04:11:25 2003
From: markH at bitgen.co.uk (MarkH)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 10:11:25 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Anyone using  the Excel-L list? 
In-Reply-To: <695946740.20030509103904@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000501c3160a$f8439ad0$1f6f893e@laptop>

Hi All

Sorry for the OT post. I subscribed to the Excel-L list a couple of
wekes ago (saw it mentioned in someone else post) and have so far seen
not a single email. I have checkec my subscription options and it looks
fine. Is it just a very quiet list?

Cheers

Mark


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri May  9 06:51:41 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 21:51:41 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
In-Reply-To: <1065750378.20030509103547@cactus.dk>
References: <3EBB6141.30285.AC155@localhost>
Message-ID: <3EBC22ED.12287.2FF4DA3@localhost>

In Jet 4 it's on a per connection basis. In SQL Server, it's a system 
variable. So it depends on whether you Backend is  Access or SQL 
Server.

If you are using an Acces BE with Jet 4 and only updating one table 
with the connection, it's safe - if it's an SQL Server BE or the same 
connection updates multiple tables in an Acces BE,  it's not.


On 9 May 2003 at 10:35, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi Andrew and Stuart et al
> 
> I'm confused!
> 
> Andrew wrote:
> 
> It is safer as  @@Identity is linked only to the connection (or
> transaction) which created the record.  
> 
> Otherwise you are risking that another user will insert a record
> in-between adding and retrieving the ID of the record added by the
> first user.
> 
> I'm not sure if that is a risk using the other methods mentioned on
> this list, however I *do* now that with @@Identity there is no risk of
> this happening.
> 
> but Stuart wrote:
> 
> > @@Identity is a system wide variable. It returns the last autonumber
> > generated by the system. You certainly can't rely on it to return a
> > particular record number in either a multi user system or in a
> > system where you are inserting into more than one table with
> > autonumbers keys in the same transaction.
> 
> So now, what to believe?
> 
> /gustav
> 
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From nancy.lytle at auatac.com  Fri May  9 07:03:43 2003
From: nancy.lytle at auatac.com (Nancy Lytle)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 08:03:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
In-Reply-To: <3EBB86F5.1120.AA01E90@localhost>
Message-ID: <OPEHJDCMPKDOHDELKBPHEEIIDLAA.nancy.lytle@auatac.com>

Thanks, Stuart, using the Replace worked, I completely misses the ' in
"doesn't" in the error description.

I appreciate everyone's assistance in this, it was just driving me crazy.  I
tried each and every solution, and have learned a lot in the process.  And
now I have set up a system that I can play with, that records the errors I
want, when they happen, in what procedure, who was using it, etc.

Again, many thanks to everyone, this is THE best list!

Nancy L

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 8:46 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com; Nancy Lytle
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem


On 8 May 2003 at 17:19, Jim Lawrence (AccessD) wrote:

>
> I have used this same technique many times in the past, but this time it
> just won't work.
>
> It has to be the single quotes inside the Err_Description.
>

If you are trying to insert a single quote in a field in an SQL statement
you need to "Escape" it by making it two
consecutive single quotes.

Try Replace("ErrDescription",Chr$(39),CHr$(39) & Chr$(39)) instead of just
ErrDescription


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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Fri May  9 07:09:17 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 07:09:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access Normalization
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357D2@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Gale,

The output of the Access Documenter can be saved as a table and
exported.  Will that meet your needs?

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Gale Perez [mailto:gale_perez at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday 2003 May 08 17:46
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access Normalization

Hello!

I haven't posted for quite a while (have been working
in Oracle, am now doing project management and working
on some Access tracking DBs).  It's nice to be back
and see familiar names :)

Is there a way to export Access table definitions into
Excel or into a normalization tool (we're using
Brackets)?  I'm asking on someone else's behalf and
she has tried Export but gets the message that she
doesn't have permissions (it's not a secured
database).  Can you access the data dictionary with
SQL statements?

Thank you for any assistance,
Gale

From artful at rogers.com  Fri May  9 07:15:33 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 08:15:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Normalization
In-Reply-To: <20030508224549.36777.qmail@web21210.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00cd01c31624$b0b261a0$8e01a8c0@Rock>

Great concept, a normalization tool! 

"Yo, dumbass, these columns should be a related table, click OK to overrule
yo dumbass design, foo!" :-)

AFAIK no one has built it yet.

I'm a big fan of database-design tools such as Erwin, PowerDesigner and (my
fave lately) DeZign, which costs 1/10 of the price of the aforementioned and
delivers almost all their functionality. Said tools can inhale a db and turn
it into a model and let you remodel it and then exhale a db to a list of
targets, automatically converting data types etc. You can inhale Access and
exhale MySQL if that's what you want, or Oracle or DB2 or MS-SQL or Sybase.

When I work on a new project, I spend a lot of time in DeZign before writing
a line of code. When I work on an existing project, first thing I do is
import it into DeZign. It vaguely resembles the Access Relationships window
but offers many more benefits, most notably Domains. 

(I own no shares in this company; I'm just a satisfied user.)

Back to your question. If the db Admins have not granted her sufficient
privs to export definitions then there is no simple way around it. She is
asking either for hacker tools or for increased privs.

Secondly, why export table definitions to Excel? Why not simple ascii files
that you can run in QA to rebuild structures?

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gale Perez
Sent: May 8, 2003 6:46 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access Normalization


Hello!

I haven't posted for quite a while (have been working
in Oracle, am now doing project management and working
on some Access tracking DBs).  It's nice to be back
and see familiar names :)

Is there a way to export Access table definitions into
Excel or into a normalization tool (we're using
Brackets)?  I'm asking on someone else's behalf and
she has tried Export but gets the message that she
doesn't have permissions (it's not a secured
database).  Can you access the data dictionary with
SQL statements?

Thank you for any assistance,
Gale


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From rmoore at comtechpst.com  Fri May  9 07:25:52 2003
From: rmoore at comtechpst.com (Ron Moore)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 08:25:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Anyone using  the Excel-L list? 
In-Reply-To: <000501c3160a$f8439ad0$1f6f893e@laptop>
Message-ID: <007d01c31626$225e2770$4814a8c0@Comtech.Comtechpst.com>

Mark, I have used this list for some time.  Very active - 4 posts so far
today.

Ron

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MarkH
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:11 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Anyone using the Excel-L list?


Hi All

Sorry for the OT post. I subscribed to the Excel-L list a couple of
wekes ago (saw it mentioned in someone else post) and have so far seen
not a single email. I have checkec my subscription options and it looks
fine. Is it just a very quiet list?

Cheers

Mark

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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Fri May  9 07:42:59 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 08:42:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT
In-Reply-To: <004501c315d8$43529270$54dd31d2@OfficePC>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKCEHAGDAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Kath,

  WINAT is not shareware, but comes with the Windows NT resource kit.  I use
it at one clients site and have never had a problem with it.  I simply call
a batch file that executes Access and the MDB.  Has worked fine for years.
An example of the batch file I use is below.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

REM Calls extract program for a full regen and process
REM (Extract, Generate, and Send)
REM Date is not passed.  Relies on server date to calulate Monday date.
"C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office\MSACCESS.EXE"
"C:\ESCS2\ESCXTR.MDB" /CMD * * *

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Software Design &
Solutions Pty Ltd.
  Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:08 PM
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT


  Have any of you had much experience with scheduling applications to run
(ie. mdb files) using the AT command?

  I am trying to get a job to run overnight for a client using the following
syntax:

  at 14:26 /interactive /Every:M,T,W,Th,F cmd /c D:\Prices\Priceload.bat

  where the files Priceload.bat contains the following:

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--

  @ECHO OFF
  REM Daily Price File Load
  TITLE GBST PRICE LOAD

  M:
  cd \Price
  echo ENTER PRICE FOLDER
  ntsleep 2 > nul

  Call Price.mdb

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--


  I then get the message 'M:\Price\Price.mdb file not found'.

  Because it is real PITN to keep mucking around with this syntax in DOS, I
am also having a play with some shareware(?) the client had called WINAT. It
seems good, but when I use it at my client site to edit the paremeters of
the AT command, extra characters appear at the end of the command, so I am
not sure whether the command will work or not. Characters are things like
pipes and @symbols.

  So my question for anyone using AT is: do you have any tips to share? What
is the most reliable way you have found to schedule an mdb to run?

  TIA
  Kath


  Kath Pelletti
  Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
  Ph: 9505-6714
  Fax: 9505-6430
  SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au
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From delliker at hotmail.com  Fri May  9 07:53:31 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 08:53:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri May  9 09:00:13 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 07:00:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Mail Merge Start Second Copy of Access
References: <00b601c315f7$fed54140$b274d0d5@andypc>
Message-ID: <007701c31633$4ff16870$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

No. Well, maybe.  I load the FE on the server in the same folder with the
BE.  Then relink the tables.  Then drag the FE up to the clients' desktop
where they run it.  The mail merge table which is the data source for the
document is in the client FE.  Now, I'm thinking that the data source in the
document is pointing to the FE on their desktop. At least that's where it
was when I showed them how to make a data source for their docs.  However,
perhaps they have recreated the data source and are pointing to the FE on
the server.  Which would be bad if two of them tried to do a merge at the
same time.  I'll have to check that out.  Would that cause the second
instance of Access to start?

Thanks and regards,

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:55 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mail Merge Start Second Copy of Access


> Rocky
> The FE hasn't moved to a different location has it?
>
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> - Beach Access Software
> Sent: 09 May 2003 01:14
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Mail Merge Start Second Copy of Access
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> I do a mail merge from an A2K app to Word.  The user selects the
> document to merge to.  They set the doc up before hand using as a data
> source a table in the app front end.  I put the customer name and
> address info in this table and it merges quite nicely into the word doc.
>
> But the merging opens up Access and the front end a second time.
> Doesn't really bother the user too much but they'd like to get rid of it
> if possible.  User insists it didn't used to do that and now it does.  I
> can't remember.  They're running Win2K and A2K.
>
> I speculated that it opened up the second instance because of the link
> to the front end table as the data source for the merge.
>
> anyway, is this normal?  Can it stopped?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
>
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From john at winhaven.net  Fri May  9 09:08:20 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 09:08:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Mail Merge Start Second Copy of Access
In-Reply-To: <014401c315bf$e6aa6790$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIIECMEHAA.john@winhaven.net>

Rocky,
IIRC there is something quirky about mail merges that opens a second copy of
access if your Access app has an application title or icon set in the
startup properties.

One among the many reasons that I eventually went away from mail merging
with access directly. I now dump the data to an text file and merged word
with it (thanks again Brett). I could send you the code for those procedures
if you want. Most of it came from this list.

JB

 -----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 7:14 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Mail Merge Start Second Copy of Access


  Dear List:

  I do a mail merge from an A2K app to Word.  The user selects the document
to merge to.  They set the doc up before hand using as a data source a table
in the app front end.  I put the customer name and address info in this
table and it merges quite nicely into the word doc.

  But the merging opens up Access and the front end a second time.  Doesn't
really bother the user too much but they'd like to get rid of it if
possible.  User insists it didn't used to do that and now it does.  I can't
remember.  They're running Win2K and A2K.

  I speculated that it opened up the second instance because of the link to
the front end table as the data source for the merge.

  anyway, is this normal?  Can it stopped?

  MTIA,

  Rocky Smolin
  Beach Access Software
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri May  9 09:18:35 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 15:18:35 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Mail Merge Start Second Copy of Access
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May  9 10:15:10 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 08:15:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Mail Merge Start Second Copy of Access
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F2A@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Mail merges look for a window title that starts with  "Microsoft Access"
to determine if an instance is running.  If you have set the apptitle to
something else, it will launch another instance.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 6:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mail Merge Start Second Copy of Access


Rocky,
IIRC there is something quirky about mail merges that opens a second
copy of access if your Access app has an application title or icon set
in the startup properties.

One among the many reasons that I eventually went away from mail merging
with access directly. I now dump the data to an text file and merged
word with it (thanks again Brett). I could send you the code for those
procedures if you want. Most of it came from this list.

JB

 -----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 7:14 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Mail Merge Start Second Copy of Access


Dear List:

I do a mail merge from an A2K app to Word.  The user selects the
document to merge to.  They set the doc up before hand using as a data
source a table in the app front end.  I put the customer name and
address info in this table and it merges quite nicely into the word doc.

But the merging opens up Access and the front end a second time.
Doesn't really bother the user too much but they'd like to get rid of it
if possible.  User insists it didn't used to do that and now it does.  I
can't remember.  They're running Win2K and A2K.

I speculated that it opened up the second instance because of the link
to the front end table as the data source for the merge.

anyway, is this normal?  Can it stopped?

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri May  9 10:42:59 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 08:42:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Mail Merge Start Second Copy of Access
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F2A@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <00cd01c31641$ab2cc870$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

That answers that, Charlotte.

Thanks


Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 8:15 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mail Merge Start Second Copy of Access


> Mail merges look for a window title that starts with  "Microsoft Access"
> to determine if an instance is running.  If you have set the apptitle to
> something else, it will launch another instance.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 6:08 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mail Merge Start Second Copy of Access
> 
> 
> Rocky,
> IIRC there is something quirky about mail merges that opens a second
> copy of access if your Access app has an application title or icon set
> in the startup properties.
> 
> One among the many reasons that I eventually went away from mail merging
> with access directly. I now dump the data to an text file and merged
> word with it (thanks again Brett). I could send you the code for those
> procedures if you want. Most of it came from this list.
> 
> JB
> 
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 7:14 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Mail Merge Start Second Copy of Access
> 
> 
> Dear List:
> 
> I do a mail merge from an A2K app to Word.  The user selects the
> document to merge to.  They set the doc up before hand using as a data
> source a table in the app front end.  I put the customer name and
> address info in this table and it merges quite nicely into the word doc.
> 
> But the merging opens up Access and the front end a second time.
> Doesn't really bother the user too much but they'd like to get rid of it
> if possible.  User insists it didn't used to do that and now it does.  I
> can't remember.  They're running Win2K and A2K.
> 
> I speculated that it opened up the second instance because of the link
> to the front end table as the data source for the merge.
> 
> anyway, is this normal?  Can it stopped?
> 
> MTIA,
> 
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From gale_perez at yahoo.com  Fri May  9 10:52:07 2003
From: gale_perez at yahoo.com (Gale Perez)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 08:52:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Access Normalization
In-Reply-To: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357D2@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <20030509155207.13096.qmail@web21202.mail.yahoo.com>

I forgot about that!  So simple.  (That's what happens
when you are away from Access for so long!)  Thank you
so much, Charles.

Gale

--- "Wortz, Charles" <CWortz at tea.state.tx.us> wrote:
> Gale,
> 
> The output of the Access Documenter can be saved as
> a table and
> exported.  Will that meet your needs?
> 
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gale Perez [mailto:gale_perez at yahoo.com] 
> Sent: Thursday 2003 May 08 17:46
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Access Normalization
> 
> Hello!
> 
> I haven't posted for quite a while (have been
> working
> in Oracle, am now doing project management and
> working
> on some Access tracking DBs).  It's nice to be back
> and see familiar names :)
> 
> Is there a way to export Access table definitions
> into
> Excel or into a normalization tool (we're using
> Brackets)?  I'm asking on someone else's behalf and
> she has tried Export but gets the message that she
> doesn't have permissions (it's not a secured
> database).  Can you access the data dictionary with
> SQL statements?
> 
> Thank you for any assistance,
> Gale
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri May  9 10:55:21 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 08:55:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] 
	@#$%^&* bound forms - can' edit field, bound to unkown field
Message-ID: <010c01c31643$65865c30$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Dear List:

There's something simple going wrong here, but I can't spot it. 

I have a combo box which is bound to a field 'fldRAHPaymentTermsID'. The data source of the form is 'qryRentalAgreementHeaderByOrderNumber' which has 'fldRAHPaymentTermsID' as one of its fields.  And the field shows up in the Control Source of the combo box.  

The combo box has tblPaymentTerms as its row source - a table with two fields - a payment term ID and the payment term description. Bound column is 1.

When I try to select a value form the combo box it I get a message in the status line; "Control can't be edited; it's bound to unknown field 'fldRAHPaymentTermsID'.  If I try to set the combo box value in code I get and error "You can't assign a value to this object". (Of course not, it's bound to an unknown field.)

If I open the query, I can insert a value in the 'fldRAHPaymentTermsID' field in the table view of the query.  So it's got to be something in the form, Yes?

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Fri May  9 11:07:24 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 11:07:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] @#$%^&* bound forms - can' edit field, bound to unkown
	field
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F87801@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Rocky,
 
A bound combo box has a Row Source Type which should be "Table/Query"
and a Row Source which should be the name of either a table or a query.
Then the Control Source should be the name of a field from the Row
Source, not from the form's data source.
 
Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 10:55
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] @#$%^&* bound forms - can' edit field, bound to
unkown field

 
 Dear List:
 
There's something simple going wrong here, but I can't spot it. 
 
I have a combo box which is bound to a field 'fldRAHPaymentTermsID'. The
data source of the form is 'qryRentalAgreementHeaderByOrderNumber' which
has 'fldRAHPaymentTermsID' as one of its fields.  And the field shows up
in the Control Source of the combo box.  
 
The combo box has tblPaymentTerms as its row source - a table with two
fields - a payment term ID and the payment term description. Bound
column is 1.
 
When I try to select a value form the combo box it I get a message in
the status line; "Control can't be edited; it's bound to unknown field
'fldRAHPaymentTermsID'.  If I try to set the combo box value in code I
get and error "You can't assign a value to this object". (Of course not,
it's bound to an unknown field.)
 
If I open the query, I can insert a value in the 'fldRAHPaymentTermsID'
field in the table view of the query.  So it's got to be something in
the form, Yes?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
 
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From DElam at jenkens.com  Fri May  9 11:03:50 2003
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 11:03:50 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD]  @#$%^&* bound forms - can' edit field, bound to un
	kown field
Message-ID: <4AAC675EBAF3D411BCA200508BCFAA8E02F218A0@NATEXCH1>

Have you checked for typos?  That would be my first guess.  I always use the
combo to select the field in properties because this has been a plague to me
when I typed everything out.
 
Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 10:55 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] @#$%^&* bound forms - can' edit field, bound to unkown
field


Dear List:
 
There's something simple going wrong here, but I can't spot it. 
 
I have a combo box which is bound to a field 'fldRAHPaymentTermsID'. The
data source of the form is 'qryRentalAgreementHeaderByOrderNumber' which has
'fldRAHPaymentTermsID' as one of its fields.  And the field shows up in the
Control Source of the combo box.  
 
The combo box has tblPaymentTerms as its row source - a table with two
fields - a payment term ID and the payment term description. Bound column is
1.
 
When I try to select a value form the combo box it I get a message in the
status line; "Control can't be edited; it's bound to unknown field
'fldRAHPaymentTermsID'.  If I try to set the combo box value in code I get
and error "You can't assign a value to this object". (Of course not, it's
bound to an unknown field.)
 
If I open the query, I can insert a value in the 'fldRAHPaymentTermsID'
field in the table view of the query.  So it's got to be something in the
form, Yes?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
 



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From jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com  Fri May  9 11:11:54 2003
From: jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com (jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 11:11:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] @#$%^&* bound forms - can' edit field, bound to
 unkown field
Message-ID: <OF786EC1F5.2D84DEAF-ON86256D21.0058EE84-86256D21.0058FAF9@nc.us.bank-dns.com>

Have you check the rowsource type property?




"Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Sent by: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
05/09/2003 10:55 AM
Please respond to accessd

 
        To:     AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
        cc: 
        Subject:        [AccessD] @#$%^&* bound forms - can' edit field, bound to unkown field


Dear List:
 
There's something simple going wrong here, but I can't spot it. 
 
I have a combo box which is bound to a field 'fldRAHPaymentTermsID'. The 
data source of the form is 'qryRentalAgreementHeaderByOrderNumber' which 
has 'fldRAHPaymentTermsID' as one of its fields.  And the field shows up 
in the Control Source of the combo box. 
 
The combo box has tblPaymentTerms as its row source - a table with two 
fields - a payment term ID and the payment term description. Bound column 
is 1.
 
When I try to select a value form the combo box it I get a message in the 
status line; "Control can't be edited; it's bound to unknown field 
'fldRAHPaymentTermsID'.  If I try to set the combo box value in code I get 
and error "You can't assign a value to this object". (Of course not, it's 
bound to an unknown field.)
 
If I open the query, I can insert a value in the 'fldRAHPaymentTermsID' 
field in the table view of the query.  So it's got to be something in the 
form, Yes?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
 
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From john at winhaven.net  Fri May  9 11:49:06 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 11:49:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
In-Reply-To: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F877FE@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIEECOEHAA.john@winhaven.net>

I've often thought that too. I subscribe to a number of
newsletters/magazines and they do tend to have similar topics in them. The
Q&A/Tips sections often reflect items that have popped up on various lists.

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz, Charles
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:04 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
>
>
> Charlotte,
>
> More likely that the editors are lurkers on lists such as this.  When
> they see an interesting topic come up on the lists, they each go and
> commission an article from one of writers in their stables.  Thus,
> several months later the mags have similar articles.  If my hypothesis
> is true, then we should see some articles on []. subqueries coming out
> in a few months.
>
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent: Thursday 2003 May 08 12:49
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
>
> I've noticed the phenomenon over the years that all the mags on the same
> general topic will tend to have similar articles at about the same time.
> I think it must be ESP or aliens!
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 8:46 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
>
>
> Ah, man on a mission - I found the issue of Access Advisor.
>
> It was December 2001 Advisor Tips
>
> "Creating Derived Tables in Jet"
>
> Access 2002/200/97
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri May  9 11:52:00 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 09:52:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD]  @#$%^&* bound forms - can' edit field, bound to un
	kown field
References: <4AAC675EBAF3D411BCA200508BCFAA8E02F218A0@NATEXCH1>
Message-ID: <014d01c3164b$4fa9eb40$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Debbie, Jeffery, and Charles:

Sorry for the post.  There was no earthly reason why this shouldn't work and
in fact, after I restarted the app, it's now working.

Apparently, even though the field 'fldRAHPaymentTermsID' (which I had just
added to the query AND saved it) showed up where it was supposed to,
something hadn't registered.  Restarting the app fixed the 'problem'.

Gotta love Access.

Thanks for you replies.

Best,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elam, Debbie" <DElam at jenkens.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 9:03 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] @#$%^&* bound forms - can' edit field, bound to un
kown field


> Have you checked for typos?  That would be my first guess.  I always use
the
> combo to select the field in properties because this has been a plague to
me
> when I typed everything out.
>
> Debbie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 10:55 AM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] @#$%^&* bound forms - can' edit field, bound to unkown
> field
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> There's something simple going wrong here, but I can't spot it.
>
> I have a combo box which is bound to a field 'fldRAHPaymentTermsID'. The
> data source of the form is 'qryRentalAgreementHeaderByOrderNumber' which
has
> 'fldRAHPaymentTermsID' as one of its fields.  And the field shows up in
the
> Control Source of the combo box.
>
> The combo box has tblPaymentTerms as its row source - a table with two
> fields - a payment term ID and the payment term description. Bound column
is
> 1.
>
> When I try to select a value form the combo box it I get a message in the
> status line; "Control can't be edited; it's bound to unknown field
> 'fldRAHPaymentTermsID'.  If I try to set the combo box value in code I get
> and error "You can't assign a value to this object". (Of course not, it's
> bound to an unknown field.)
>
> If I open the query, I can insert a value in the 'fldRAHPaymentTermsID'
> field in the table view of the query.  So it's got to be something in the
> form, Yes?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
>
>
>
>
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> If you have received this in error, please reply and notify the sender
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From mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com  Fri May  9 13:00:05 2003
From: mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com (Mark Whittinghill)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 12:00:05 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Downgrading to ODE 2000
Message-ID: <000701c31654$d2562230$0400000a@PASCAL>

Does M$ have a downgrade option to get ODE 2000 if you have the XP version?
I looked on the site and can't figure out the legalese.

Thanks,

Mark Whittinghill
Symphony Information Services
612-333-1311
mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May  9 12:01:14 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 13:01:14 -0400
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
In-Reply-To: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIEECOEHAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEDBDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Naw, it's more likely that people like Susan, Martin and Arthur all write
for these newsletters.  They are list members, and when they see a good
topic, they write an article.  Since an article can only be sold to a single
newsletter, they all get together and discuss who's gonna write up the tip
for which newsletter.  Susan sells to one, Martin to another, Arthur to
another.  Etc.

No law says they each can't write on the same SUBJECT but for a different
newsletter.

And if they didn't before, they will now.  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 12:49 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


I've often thought that too. I subscribe to a number of
newsletters/magazines and they do tend to have similar topics in them. The
Q&A/Tips sections often reflect items that have popped up on various lists.

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz, Charles
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:04 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
>
>
> Charlotte,
>
> More likely that the editors are lurkers on lists such as this.  When
> they see an interesting topic come up on the lists, they each go and
> commission an article from one of writers in their stables.  Thus,
> several months later the mags have similar articles.  If my hypothesis
> is true, then we should see some articles on []. subqueries coming out
> in a few months.
>
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us





From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Fri May  9 12:06:41 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 12:06:41 -0500
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357D7@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

John,

Now that you have revealed the secrets of the cabal, they will have to
deal with you! <grin>

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 12:01
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery

Naw, it's more likely that people like Susan, Martin and Arthur all
write for these newsletters.  They are list members, and when they see a
good topic, they write an article.  Since an article can only be sold to
a single newsletter, they all get together and discuss who's gonna write
up the tip for which newsletter.  Susan sells to one, Martin to another,
Arthur to another.  Etc.

No law says they each can't write on the same SUBJECT but for a
different newsletter.

And if they didn't before, they will now.  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 12:49 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


I've often thought that too. I subscribe to a number of
newsletters/magazines and they do tend to have similar topics in them.
The Q&A/Tips sections often reflect items that have popped up on various
lists.

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz, 
> Charles
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:04 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
>
>
> Charlotte,
>
> More likely that the editors are lurkers on lists such as this.  When 
> they see an interesting topic come up on the lists, they each go and 
> commission an article from one of writers in their stables.  Thus, 
> several months later the mags have similar articles.  If my hypothesis

> is true, then we should see some articles on []. subqueries coming out

> in a few months.
>
> Charles Wortz

From jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com  Fri May  9 12:07:47 2003
From: jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com (jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 12:07:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] @#$%^&* bound forms - can' edit field, bound to
 un kown field
Message-ID: <OFEB5D6C68.24EA92DA-ON86256D21.005E0F5D-86256D21.005E18C3@nc.us.bank-dns.com>

Your are preaching to the choir.




"Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Sent by: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
05/09/2003 11:52 AM
Please respond to accessd

 
        To:     accessd at databaseadvisors.com
        cc: 
        Subject:        Re: [AccessD] @#$%^&* bound forms - can' edit field, bound to un kown 
field


Debbie, Jeffery, and Charles:

Sorry for the post.  There was no earthly reason why this shouldn't work 
and
in fact, after I restarted the app, it's now working.

Apparently, even though the field 'fldRAHPaymentTermsID' (which I had just
added to the query AND saved it) showed up where it was supposed to,
something hadn't registered.  Restarting the app fixed the 'problem'.

Gotta love Access.

Thanks for you replies.

Best,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elam, Debbie" <DElam at jenkens.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 9:03 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] @#$%^&* bound forms - can' edit field, bound to un
kown field


> Have you checked for typos?  That would be my first guess.  I always use
the
> combo to select the field in properties because this has been a plague 
to
me
> when I typed everything out.
>
> Debbie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 10:55 AM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] @#$%^&* bound forms - can' edit field, bound to 
unkown
> field
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> There's something simple going wrong here, but I can't spot it.
>
> I have a combo box which is bound to a field 'fldRAHPaymentTermsID'. The
> data source of the form is 'qryRentalAgreementHeaderByOrderNumber' which
has
> 'fldRAHPaymentTermsID' as one of its fields.  And the field shows up in
the
> Control Source of the combo box.
>
> The combo box has tblPaymentTerms as its row source - a table with two
> fields - a payment term ID and the payment term description. Bound 
column
is
> 1.
>
> When I try to select a value form the combo box it I get a message in 
the
> status line; "Control can't be edited; it's bound to unknown field
> 'fldRAHPaymentTermsID'.  If I try to set the combo box value in code I 
get
> and error "You can't assign a value to this object". (Of course not, 
it's
> bound to an unknown field.)
>
> If I open the query, I can insert a value in the 'fldRAHPaymentTermsID'
> field in the table view of the query.  So it's got to be something in 
the
> form, Yes?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
>
>
>
>
> - JENKENS & GILCHRIST E-MAIL NOTICE - This transmission may be: (1)
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> If you have received this in error, please reply and notify the sender
> (only) and delete the message. Unauthorized interception of this e-mail 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May  9 12:13:47 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 10:13:47 -0700
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F2B@infoserver01.infostat.local>

John,

You're doomed now! <VBG>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 9:01 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


Naw, it's more likely that people like Susan, Martin and Arthur all
write for these newsletters.  They are list members, and when they see a
good topic, they write an article.  Since an article can only be sold to
a single newsletter, they all get together and discuss who's gonna write
up the tip for which newsletter.  Susan sells to one, Martin to another,
Arthur to another.  Etc.

No law says they each can't write on the same SUBJECT but for a
different newsletter.

And if they didn't before, they will now.  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 12:49 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


I've often thought that too. I subscribe to a number of
newsletters/magazines and they do tend to have similar topics in them.
The Q&A/Tips sections often reflect items that have popped up on various
lists.

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz, 
> Charles
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:04 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
>
>
> Charlotte,
>
> More likely that the editors are lurkers on lists such as this.  When 
> they see an interesting topic come up on the lists, they each go and 
> commission an article from one of writers in their stables.  Thus, 
> several months later the mags have similar articles.  If my hypothesis

> is true, then we should see some articles on []. subqueries coming out

> in a few months.
>
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us




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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May  9 12:14:46 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 10:14:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Downgrading to ODE 2000
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F2C@infoserver01.infostat.local>

There's supposed to be one, but I haven't looked into it because I own
the 2000 ODE.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Whittinghill [mailto:mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 10:00 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Downgrading to ODE 2000


Does M$ have a downgrade option to get ODE 2000 if you have the XP
version? I looked on the site and can't figure out the legalese.

Thanks,

Mark Whittinghill
Symphony Information Services
612-333-1311
mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com

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From donald.a.Mcgillivray at mail.sprint.com  Fri May  9 12:18:57 2003
From: donald.a.Mcgillivray at mail.sprint.com (Mcgillivray, Donald [CC])
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 12:18:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Disabling Links in Excel
Message-ID: <6FC1C7A6E7BD5540AB0A8436713C43BF01D01B16@PKDWB01C.ad.sprint.com>

Hi, Oleg

Check to see if your spreadsheet has any named ranges that have
references to out-of-book sources.  Since you're severing the ties to
external sources, you should be able to safely delete such named ranges
AFTER doing the Copy/Paste Special/Values routine.

Hope this helps.

Don McGillivray

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:10 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] (OT) Disabling Links in Excel


Hi Oleg

Yes, I think that is what I thought of - however I'm not an Excel guru
and others may have better advice for you.

/gustav

> you mean cop/paste special-values ?
> I've done that; it get read of 4 links, but still keeps one. And there

> is still that "Would you like to refresh the lnik" message which 
> management doesn't like.

>> Hi Oleg
>>
>> If you use the workbook just for sending data with no need for 
>> formulas you can replace all formulas and links of the cells with the

>> calculated values.

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From Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK  Fri May  9 12:23:17 2003
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK (Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 18:23:17 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEDBDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEDBDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <1052500997.3ebbe405b050a@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

I just pluck ideas out of the air really or Susan tells me whats next on the 
list. But I try at times to find topics that are not generally discussed and 
may prove useful to developers. But end of day I write up what they pay for. 
We submit a long list and they pick the ones they want. Least I think thats 
how it goes. My editor in chief will let you know I am sure. Over to you boss!
(Susan)

Martin

Quoting John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:

> Naw, it's more likely that people like Susan, Martin and Arthur all
> write
> for these newsletters.  They are list members, and when they see a
> good
> topic, they write an article.  Since an article can only be sold to a
> single
> newsletter, they all get together and discuss who's gonna write up the
> tip
> for which newsletter.  Susan sells to one, Martin to another, Arthur
> to
> another.  Etc.
> 
> No law says they each can't write on the same SUBJECT but for a
> different
> newsletter.
> 
> And if they didn't before, they will now.  ;-)
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 12:49 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> 
> I've often thought that too. I subscribe to a number of
> newsletters/magazines and they do tend to have similar topics in them.
> The
> Q&A/Tips sections often reflect items that have popped up on various
> lists.
> 
> JB
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz,
> Charles
> > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:04 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> >
> >
> > Charlotte,
> >
> > More likely that the editors are lurkers on lists such as this. 
> When
> > they see an interesting topic come up on the lists, they each go and
> > commission an article from one of writers in their stables.  Thus,
> > several months later the mags have similar articles.  If my
> hypothesis
> > is true, then we should see some articles on []. subqueries coming
> out
> > in a few months.
> >
> > Charles Wortz
> > Software Development Division
> > Texas Education Agency
> > 1701 N. Congress Ave
> > Austin, TX 78701-1494
> > 512-463-9493
> > CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 

From mikedorism at ntelos.net  Fri May  9 12:29:05 2003
From: mikedorism at ntelos.net (Mike and Doris Manning)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 13:29:05 -0400
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F2B@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <000e01c31650$813bcac0$bf330cd8@hargrove.internal>

LOL... I'll take the Fifth... Most of the article topics I've put forth to
Susan to pass on to the publisher for approval have been based on issues
I've had to slug my way through recently.

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 1:14 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


John,

You're doomed now! <VBG>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 9:01 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


Naw, it's more likely that people like Susan, Martin and Arthur all write
for these newsletters.  They are list members, and when they see a good
topic, they write an article.  Since an article can only be sold to a single
newsletter, they all get together and discuss who's gonna write up the tip
for which newsletter.  Susan sells to one, Martin to another, Arthur to
another.  Etc.

No law says they each can't write on the same SUBJECT but for a different
newsletter.

And if they didn't before, they will now.  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 12:49 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


I've often thought that too. I subscribe to a number of
newsletters/magazines and they do tend to have similar topics in them. The
Q&A/Tips sections often reflect items that have popped up on various lists.

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz,
> Charles
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:04 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
>
>
> Charlotte,
>
> More likely that the editors are lurkers on lists such as this.  When
> they see an interesting topic come up on the lists, they each go and 
> commission an article from one of writers in their stables.  Thus, 
> several months later the mags have similar articles.  If my hypothesis

> is true, then we should see some articles on []. subqueries coming out

> in a few months.
>
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us




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From john at winhaven.net  Fri May  9 12:42:59 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (The Cabal)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 12:42:59 -0500
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
In-Reply-To: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357D7@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJAEGKEFAA.john@winhaven.net>

You mean I've got even more people after me?!!?

Now I won't even be able to hide from the other people who are after me in
those geeky internet night clubs anymore??!

Oh-Oh, hackers just tried to get through my firewall and nnow I'm being hit
with a DOS attack - I don't know if this will get through or not.

Someone's at my door now.

No-no! I've paid my subsciption fees, I should be able to talk about these
thinngggsssss...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz, Charles
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 12:07 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
>
>
> John,
>
> Now that you have revealed the secrets of the cabal, they will have to
> deal with you! <grin>
>
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 12:01
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
>
> Naw, it's more likely that people like Susan, Martin and Arthur all
> write for these newsletters.  They are list members, and when they see a
> good topic, they write an article.  Since an article can only be sold to
> a single newsletter, they all get together and discuss who's gonna write
> up the tip for which newsletter.  Susan sells to one, Martin to another,
> Arthur to another.  Etc.
>
> No law says they each can't write on the same SUBJECT but for a
> different newsletter.
>
> And if they didn't before, they will now.  ;-)
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 12:49 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
>
>
> I've often thought that too. I subscribe to a number of
> newsletters/magazines and they do tend to have similar topics in them.
> The Q&A/Tips sections often reflect items that have popped up on various
> lists.
>
> JB
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz,
> > Charles
> > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:04 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> >
> >
> > Charlotte,
> >
> > More likely that the editors are lurkers on lists such as this.  When
> > they see an interesting topic come up on the lists, they each go and
> > commission an article from one of writers in their stables.  Thus,
> > several months later the mags have similar articles.  If my hypothesis
>
> > is true, then we should see some articles on []. subqueries coming out
>
> > in a few months.
> >
> > Charles Wortz
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May  9 12:48:44 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 13:48:44 -0400
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJAEGKEFAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEDEDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Pay up and I'll call off the dogs!

<grin>

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of The Cabal
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 1:43 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


You mean I've got even more people after me?!!?

Now I won't even be able to hide from the other people who are after me in
those geeky internet night clubs anymore??!

Oh-Oh, hackers just tried to get through my firewall and nnow I'm being hit
with a DOS attack - I don't know if this will get through or not.

Someone's at my door now.

No-no! I've paid my subsciption fees, I should be able to talk about these
thinngggsssss...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz, Charles
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 12:07 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
>
>
> John,
>
> Now that you have revealed the secrets of the cabal, they will have to
> deal with you! <grin>
>
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 12:01
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
>
> Naw, it's more likely that people like Susan, Martin and Arthur all
> write for these newsletters.  They are list members, and when they see a
> good topic, they write an article.  Since an article can only be sold to
> a single newsletter, they all get together and discuss who's gonna write
> up the tip for which newsletter.  Susan sells to one, Martin to another,
> Arthur to another.  Etc.
>
> No law says they each can't write on the same SUBJECT but for a
> different newsletter.
>
> And if they didn't before, they will now.  ;-)
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 12:49 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
>
>
> I've often thought that too. I subscribe to a number of
> newsletters/magazines and they do tend to have similar topics in them.
> The Q&A/Tips sections often reflect items that have popped up on various
> lists.
>
> JB
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz,
> > Charles
> > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:04 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> >
> >
> > Charlotte,
> >
> > More likely that the editors are lurkers on lists such as this.  When
> > they see an interesting topic come up on the lists, they each go and
> > commission an article from one of writers in their stables.  Thus,
> > several months later the mags have similar articles.  If my hypothesis
>
> > is true, then we should see some articles on []. subqueries coming out
>
> > in a few months.
> >
> > Charles Wortz
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com




From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Fri May  9 12:55:32 2003
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 13:55:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] How to compact using Access 2002
Message-ID: <001401c31654$2fda3780$a2c50a44@hr.cox.net>

I currently compact an Access 97 database using the following line of code in Macro Scheduler (scheduling software):

"C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office\MSACCESS.EXE" "C:\Access\Assist\DCPP_data.mdb" /compact

The code is not working at a site that is using Access 2002 ("Office" was changed to "Office10").  Any ideas on how to fix it??

Thanks,
Barb Ryan
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From john at winhaven.net  Fri May  9 12:53:00 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (The Cabal)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 12:53:00 -0500
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
In-Reply-To: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357D7@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIIEDAEHAA.john@winhaven.net>

unsubscribe AccessD John Bartow "the troublemaker"
unsubscribe DevAccess John Bartow "the troublemaker"
unsubscribe Access Unlimited John Bartow "the troublemaker"
unsubscribe Inside Microsoft Access John Bartow "the troublemaker"
unsubscribe LangaList John Bartow "the troublemaker"
unsubscribe Access Developer News John Bartow "the troublemaker"
unsubscribe AppTrix John Bartow "the troublemaker"
unsubscribe Smart Access eXTRA John Bartow "the troublemaker"
unsubscribe Woody's Access Watch John Bartow "the troublemaker"


Let this be a warning to you all.

The Newsletter Cabal


From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Fri May  9 12:58:25 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 12:58:25 -0500
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357D8@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Wrong John!  It's JC that revealed the secrets of the cabal.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: The Cabal [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 12:53
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


unsubscribe AccessD John Bartow "the troublemaker"
unsubscribe DevAccess John Bartow "the troublemaker" unsubscribe Access
Unlimited John Bartow "the troublemaker" unsubscribe Inside Microsoft
Access John Bartow "the troublemaker" unsubscribe LangaList John Bartow
"the troublemaker" unsubscribe Access Developer News John Bartow "the
troublemaker" unsubscribe AppTrix John Bartow "the troublemaker"
unsubscribe Smart Access eXTRA John Bartow "the troublemaker"
unsubscribe Woody's Access Watch John Bartow "the troublemaker"


Let this be a warning to you all.

The Newsletter Cabal

From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May  9 13:02:55 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 14:02:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] How to compact using Access 2002
In-Reply-To: <001401c31654$2fda3780$a2c50a44@hr.cox.net>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEDGDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

yes, change the path to access to access10

"C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office10\MSACCESS.EXE"
"C:\Access\Assist\DCPP_data.mdb" /compact
John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Barbara Ryan
  Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 1:56 PM
  To: Access List
  Subject: [AccessD] How to compact using Access 2002


  I currently compact an Access 97 database using the following line of code
in Macro Scheduler (scheduling software):

  "C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office\MSACCESS.EXE"
"C:\Access\Assist\DCPP_data.mdb" /compact

  The code is not working at a site that is using Access 2002 ("Office" was
changed to "Office10").  Any ideas on how to fix it??

  Thanks,
  Barb Ryan
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From jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com  Fri May  9 13:09:20 2003
From: jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com (jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 13:09:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How to compact using Access 2002
Message-ID: <OF7CDDD9CD.7118FA41-ON86256D21.00636FA8-86256D21.0063BB6D@nc.us.bank-dns.com>

Make sure that the Access 2002 exe file is in the location you are 
specifying. 

The other thing to double check would be the actual file name you are 
attempting to compact.




"Barbara Ryan" <BarbaraRyan at cox.net>
Sent by: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
05/09/2003 12:55 PM
Please respond to accessd

 
        To:     "Access List" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
        cc: 
        Subject:        [AccessD] How to compact using Access 2002


I currently compact an Access 97 database using the following line of code 
in Macro Scheduler (scheduling software):
 
"C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office\MSACCESS.EXE" "C:\Access\Assist\DCPP_data.mdb" /compact
 
The code is not working at a site that is using Access 2002 ("Office" was 
changed to "Office10").  Any ideas on how to fix it??
 
Thanks,
Barb Ryan_______________________________________________
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AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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From harkins at iglou.com  Fri May  9 13:26:39 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 14:26:39 -0400
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEDBDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00c601c31658$e1601750$364afccc@SusanOne>

FWIW, I don't think anyone on this list can point to one of my articles and
say, "that's my solution and you stole it." :)

I learn lots on this list -- a ton -- always something new. Generally,
solutions don't write up well -- they are way too specific and customized.
Occasionally, I can turn one into a generic, more universal article. Most
likely, these solutions work their way into my own stuff -- making it better
and more efficient -- just like everyone else's. We pick stuff up, we forget
it, and then somewhere down the road, we're using it and we don't even
remember where we learned it -- except we figure it must've been this list.

When I want to write about a very specific solution, I contact the person
and make a deal. You will find many of my bylines have a co-author and many
of them are from this list.

Lots of brilliant people here but not everything works as an article. The
more specific a solution, the less appeal it has as an article. The solution
must be something that will be of interest to the average reader. For ever 5
"topic" I pitch, the publishers buy 1. :)

Susan H.



> Naw, it's more likely that people like Susan, Martin and Arthur all write
> for these newsletters.  They are list members, and when they see a good
> topic, they write an article.  Since an article can only be sold to a
single
> newsletter, they all get together and discuss who's gonna write up the tip
> for which newsletter.  Susan sells to one, Martin to another, Arthur to
> another.  Etc.
>
> No law says they each can't write on the same SUBJECT but for a different
> newsletter.
>
> And if they didn't before, they will now.  ;-)
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 12:49 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
>
>
> I've often thought that too. I subscribe to a number of
> newsletters/magazines and they do tend to have similar topics in them. The
> Q&A/Tips sections often reflect items that have popped up on various
lists.
>
> JB
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz, Charles
> > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:04 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> >
> >
> > Charlotte,
> >
> > More likely that the editors are lurkers on lists such as this.  When
> > they see an interesting topic come up on the lists, they each go and
> > commission an article from one of writers in their stables.  Thus,
> > several months later the mags have similar articles.  If my hypothesis
> > is true, then we should see some articles on []. subqueries coming out
> > in a few months.
> >
> > Charles Wortz
> > Software Development Division
> > Texas Education Agency
> > 1701 N. Congress Ave
> > Austin, TX 78701-1494
> > 512-463-9493
> > CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Fri May  9 13:41:05 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 14:41:05 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] SourceSafe and Access97 - again.
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA3033315B@ADGSERVER>

Hi all,

I posted on this a while back and got a few answers.  I followed the
suggestions about building from SS instead of "get latest."  But I am still
having problems.

Basically, I have this FE in SS.  When I do a "create database from
SourceSafe project", there are these 9 queries (out of several hundred) that
always are empty.  Get latest does not bring the data down.  Basically, I
have resorted to backing up the queries in another DB before doing a create
database from SS.  I then have to manually cut and paste the SQL from the
queries between the 2 databases.  A royal PIA!

Anyone have any suggestions as to why this may be happening?  It is the same
set of queries every time.  Any suggestions on how to fix this issue?

Thanks,
Bobby

From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May  9 13:42:02 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 14:42:02 -0400
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
In-Reply-To: <00c601c31658$e1601750$364afccc@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEDHDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Now Susan, no one was saying you were stealing solutions.  I was just joking
in fact, but from your reaction...

;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:27 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


FWIW, I don't think anyone on this list can point to one of my articles and
say, "that's my solution and you stole it." :)

I learn lots on this list -- a ton -- always something new. Generally,
solutions don't write up well -- they are way too specific and customized.
Occasionally, I can turn one into a generic, more universal article. Most
likely, these solutions work their way into my own stuff -- making it better
and more efficient -- just like everyone else's. We pick stuff up, we forget
it, and then somewhere down the road, we're using it and we don't even
remember where we learned it -- except we figure it must've been this list.

When I want to write about a very specific solution, I contact the person
and make a deal. You will find many of my bylines have a co-author and many
of them are from this list.

Lots of brilliant people here but not everything works as an article. The
more specific a solution, the less appeal it has as an article. The solution
must be something that will be of interest to the average reader. For ever 5
"topic" I pitch, the publishers buy 1. :)

Susan H.



> Naw, it's more likely that people like Susan, Martin and Arthur all write
> for these newsletters.  They are list members, and when they see a good
> topic, they write an article.  Since an article can only be sold to a
single
> newsletter, they all get together and discuss who's gonna write up the tip
> for which newsletter.  Susan sells to one, Martin to another, Arthur to
> another.  Etc.
>
> No law says they each can't write on the same SUBJECT but for a different
> newsletter.
>
> And if they didn't before, they will now.  ;-)
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 12:49 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
>
>
> I've often thought that too. I subscribe to a number of
> newsletters/magazines and they do tend to have similar topics in them. The
> Q&A/Tips sections often reflect items that have popped up on various
lists.
>
> JB
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz, Charles
> > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:04 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> >
> >
> > Charlotte,
> >
> > More likely that the editors are lurkers on lists such as this.  When
> > they see an interesting topic come up on the lists, they each go and
> > commission an article from one of writers in their stables.  Thus,
> > several months later the mags have similar articles.  If my hypothesis
> > is true, then we should see some articles on []. subqueries coming out
> > in a few months.
> >
> > Charles Wortz
> > Software Development Division
> > Texas Education Agency
> > 1701 N. Congress Ave
> > Austin, TX 78701-1494
> > 512-463-9493
> > CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>

_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com




From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Fri May  9 13:45:23 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 13:45:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SourceSafe and Access97 - again.
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357D9@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Bobby,

Is there anything in common about these 9 queries?  Such as do they all
have a table in common?  If you can determine what they all have in
common, then you can narrow down your search for the problem.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 13:41
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] SourceSafe and Access97 - again.

Hi all,

I posted on this a while back and got a few answers.  I followed the
suggestions about building from SS instead of "get latest."  But I am
still having problems.

Basically, I have this FE in SS.  When I do a "create database from
SourceSafe project", there are these 9 queries (out of several hundred)
that always are empty.  Get latest does not bring the data down.
Basically, I have resorted to backing up the queries in another DB
before doing a create database from SS.  I then have to manually cut and
paste the SQL from the queries between the 2 databases.  A royal PIA!

Anyone have any suggestions as to why this may be happening?  It is the
same set of queries every time.  Any suggestions on how to fix this
issue?

Thanks,
Bobby

From rmoore at comtechpst.com  Fri May  9 14:03:47 2003
From: rmoore at comtechpst.com (Ron Moore)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 15:03:47 -0400
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEDHDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <010b01c3165d$b93c4410$4814a8c0@Comtech.Comtechpst.com>

My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of dogs,
and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly though, I
agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think
concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and new
territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power programming'
approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever offer
(partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original posts).
I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
venerable list members.
Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!

Ron

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:42 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


Now Susan, no one was saying you were stealing solutions.  I was just joking
in fact, but from your reaction...

;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:27 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


FWIW, I don't think anyone on this list can point to one of my articles and
say, "that's my solution and you stole it." :)

I learn lots on this list -- a ton -- always something new. Generally,
solutions don't write up well -- they are way too specific and customized.
Occasionally, I can turn one into a generic, more universal article. Most
likely, these solutions work their way into my own stuff -- making it better
and more efficient -- just like everyone else's. We pick stuff up, we forget
it, and then somewhere down the road, we're using it and we don't even
remember where we learned it -- except we figure it must've been this list.

When I want to write about a very specific solution, I contact the person
and make a deal. You will find many of my bylines have a co-author and many
of them are from this list.

Lots of brilliant people here but not everything works as an article. The
more specific a solution, the less appeal it has as an article. The solution
must be something that will be of interest to the average reader. For ever 5
"topic" I pitch, the publishers buy 1. :)

Susan H.



> Naw, it's more likely that people like Susan, Martin and Arthur all write
> for these newsletters.  They are list members, and when they see a good
> topic, they write an article.  Since an article can only be sold to a
single
> newsletter, they all get together and discuss who's gonna write up the tip
> for which newsletter.  Susan sells to one, Martin to another, Arthur to
> another.  Etc.
>
> No law says they each can't write on the same SUBJECT but for a different
> newsletter.
>
> And if they didn't before, they will now.  ;-)
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 12:49 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
>
>
> I've often thought that too. I subscribe to a number of
> newsletters/magazines and they do tend to have similar topics in them. The
> Q&A/Tips sections often reflect items that have popped up on various
lists.
>
> JB
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz, Charles
> > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:04 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> >
> >
> > Charlotte,
> >
> > More likely that the editors are lurkers on lists such as this.  When
> > they see an interesting topic come up on the lists, they each go and
> > commission an article from one of writers in their stables.  Thus,
> > several months later the mags have similar articles.  If my hypothesis
> > is true, then we should see some articles on []. subqueries coming out
> > in a few months.
> >
> > Charles Wortz
> > Software Development Division
> > Texas Education Agency
> > 1701 N. Congress Ave
> > Austin, TX 78701-1494
> > 512-463-9493
> > CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>

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From chizotz at charter.net  Fri May  9 14:07:51 2003
From: chizotz at charter.net (Ron  Allen)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 15:07:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Read-Only Linked ODBC Table?
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA3033315B@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <web-768675@rems06.cluster1.charter.net>

Is it possible to use a linked table from a SQL Server 
2000 db in an Acc97 front end and make the linked table 
read only? Seems to me that should be pretty simple to do, 
but I can't seem to find any information on how to do it. 
I'm hoping I'm just missing something obvious.

Thanks,

Ron

From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Fri May  9 14:08:31 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 14:08:31 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Disabling Links in Excel
In-Reply-To: <6FC1C7A6E7BD5540AB0A8436713C43BF01D01B16@PKDWB01C.ad.sprint.com>
References: <6FC1C7A6E7BD5540AB0A8436713C43BF01D01B16@PKDWB01C.ad.sprint.com>
Message-ID: <45947.199.67.140.20.1052507311.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>

nop, doesn't work I've deleted all the named ranges but one link is still
left that I can't seem to get rid off

> Hi, Oleg
>
> Check to see if your spreadsheet has any named ranges that have
> references to out-of-book sources.  Since you're severing the ties to
> external sources, you should be able to safely delete such named ranges
> AFTER doing the Copy/Paste Special/Values routine.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Don McGillivray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:10 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] (OT) Disabling Links in Excel
>
>
> Hi Oleg
>
> Yes, I think that is what I thought of - however I'm not an Excel guru
> and others may have better advice for you.
>
> /gustav
>
>> you mean cop/paste special-values ?
>> I've done that; it get read of 4 links, but still keeps one. And there
>
>> is still that "Would you like to refresh the lnik" message which
>> management doesn't like.
>
>>> Hi Oleg
>>>
>>> If you use the workbook just for sending data with no need for
>>> formulas you can replace all formulas and links of the cells with the
>
>>> calculated values.
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May  9 14:13:46 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 12:13:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] SourceSafe and Access97 - again.
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F2D@infoserver01.infostat.local>

What do you mean by "always empty"?  You mean they don't get created in
the database or they don't work properly or what?    You might try
deleting those queries from the SS project entirely or at least renaming
them.  Then create a new database from source safe and add the queries
back as new objects, creating them from scratch.  If you delete the old
ones instead of renaming, then don't allow the project to recover the
old version, make it accept the new one.  See if that makes a
difference.   

Occasionally, a SS project becomes corrupt and the only thing you can do
is create a new project from a working version of the application that
is outside of source safe.  Unfortunately, you lose your history that
way, but that's better than the alternatives.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 10:41 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] SourceSafe and Access97 - again.


Hi all,

I posted on this a while back and got a few answers.  I followed the
suggestions about building from SS instead of "get latest."  But I am
still having problems.

Basically, I have this FE in SS.  When I do a "create database from
SourceSafe project", there are these 9 queries (out of several hundred)
that always are empty.  Get latest does not bring the data down.
Basically, I have resorted to backing up the queries in another DB
before doing a create database from SS.  I then have to manually cut and
paste the SQL from the queries between the 2 databases.  A royal PIA!

Anyone have any suggestions as to why this may be happening?  It is the
same set of queries every time.  Any suggestions on how to fix this
issue?

Thanks,
Bobby
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From delliker at hotmail.com  Fri May  9 14:13:44 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 15:13:44 -0400
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <Law12-F67TI5zzubChb0000be1f@hotmail.com>

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May  9 14:14:40 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 12:14:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Read-Only Linked ODBC Table?
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F2E@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Unless there is an index on the table it's going to be read only by
default.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Allen [mailto:chizotz at charter.net] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 11:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Read-Only Linked ODBC Table?


Is it possible to use a linked table from a SQL Server 
2000 db in an Acc97 front end and make the linked table 
read only? Seems to me that should be pretty simple to do, 
but I can't seem to find any information on how to do it. 
I'm hoping I'm just missing something obvious.

Thanks,

Ron
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May  9 14:20:20 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 15:20:20 -0400
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
In-Reply-To: <010b01c3165d$b93c4410$4814a8c0@Comtech.Comtechpst.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEDKDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Ron,

I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,
faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth be
known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy, I still
have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".

I remember my first job in Access.  I came from programming, but it wasn't
event driven.  I was sooooo lost.  I sold myself for well under 1/2 my
normal wage because the company was willing to let me read and learn what I
had to learn to do their database.  4 hours reading, 6-8 hours working, 6
days a week (the company's old db was dying a painful death).  This was 1994
and there was no (widely available) internet, in fact not even an Access
Users Group.  I was one of the founding members and board member of the San
Diego Access Users Group and loved having someplace I could go once a month
to talk about Access.  MAN, it was LONELY out there back then.

This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan, demented
cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well you get the
picture.  <ducking REAL low>

Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:04 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of dogs,
and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly though, I
agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think
concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and new
territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power programming'
approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever offer
(partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original posts).
I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
venerable list members.
Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!

Ron




From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Fri May  9 14:21:40 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 14:21:40 -0500
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357DA@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Cabals are not always satanic!  However, I do not know if that is true
of all members of this list. <grin>

Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 14:14
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery



I was gonna get cabal but I decided on satanlite instead
_d





"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." 
>From: "Wortz, Charles" 
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>To: 
>Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery 
>Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 12:58:25 -0500 
> 
>Wrong John! It's JC that revealed the secrets of the cabal. 
> 
>Charles Wortz 
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: The Cabal [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
>Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 12:53 
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line 
>subquery 
> 
> 
>unsubscribe AccessD John Bartow "the troublemaker" 
>unsubscribe DevAccess John Bartow "the troublemaker" unsubscribe Access

>Unlimited John Bartow "the troublemaker" unsubscribe Inside Microsoft 
>Access John Bartow "the troublemaker" unsubscribe LangaList John Bartow

>"the troublemaker" unsubscribe Access Developer News John Bartow "the 
>troublemaker" unsubscribe AppTrix John Bartow "the troublemaker" 
>unsubscribe Smart Access eXTRA John Bartow "the troublemaker" 
>unsubscribe Woody's Access Watch John Bartow "the troublemaker" 
> 
> 
>Let this be a warning to you all. 
> 
>The Newsletter Cabal 
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From Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK  Fri May  9 14:31:14 2003
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK (Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 20:31:14 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters:
In-Reply-To: <010b01c3165d$b93c4410$4814a8c0@Comtech.Comtechpst.com>
References: <010b01c3165d$b93c4410$4814a8c0@Comtech.Comtechpst.com>
Message-ID: <1052508674.3ebc0202cebe5@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

Feel free folks to throw any ideas for articles my way with appropriate 
examples. I aint proud. I got 6 kids to feed.

Martin
(VBG)


Quoting Ron Moore <rmoore at comtechpst.com>:

> My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of
> dogs,
> and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly though,
> I
> agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think
> concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and
> new
> territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power
> programming'
> approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever
> offer
> (partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original
> posts).
> I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
> venerable list members.
> Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!
> 
> Ron
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:42 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
> 
> 
> Now Susan, no one was saying you were stealing solutions.  I was just
> joking
> in fact, but from your reaction...
> 
> ;-)
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan
> Harkins
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:27 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
> 
> 
> FWIW, I don't think anyone on this list can point to one of my articles
> and
> say, "that's my solution and you stole it." :)
> 
> I learn lots on this list -- a ton -- always something new. Generally,
> solutions don't write up well -- they are way too specific and
> customized.
> Occasionally, I can turn one into a generic, more universal article.
> Most
> likely, these solutions work their way into my own stuff -- making it
> better
> and more efficient -- just like everyone else's. We pick stuff up, we
> forget
> it, and then somewhere down the road, we're using it and we don't even
> remember where we learned it -- except we figure it must've been this
> list.
> 
> When I want to write about a very specific solution, I contact the
> person
> and make a deal. You will find many of my bylines have a co-author and
> many
> of them are from this list.
> 
> Lots of brilliant people here but not everything works as an article.
> The
> more specific a solution, the less appeal it has as an article. The
> solution
> must be something that will be of interest to the average reader. For
> ever 5
> "topic" I pitch, the publishers buy 1. :)
> 
> Susan H.
> 
> 
> 
> > Naw, it's more likely that people like Susan, Martin and Arthur all
> write
> > for these newsletters.  They are list members, and when they see a
> good
> > topic, they write an article.  Since an article can only be sold to
> a
> single
> > newsletter, they all get together and discuss who's gonna write up the
> tip
> > for which newsletter.  Susan sells to one, Martin to another, Arthur
> to
> > another.  Etc.
> >
> > No law says they each can't write on the same SUBJECT but for a
> different
> > newsletter.
> >
> > And if they didn't before, they will now.  ;-)
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John
> Bartow
> > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 12:49 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> >
> >
> > I've often thought that too. I subscribe to a number of
> > newsletters/magazines and they do tend to have similar topics in them.
> The
> > Q&A/Tips sections often reflect items that have popped up on various
> lists.
> >
> > JB
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz,
> Charles
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:04 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> > >
> > >
> > > Charlotte,
> > >
> > > More likely that the editors are lurkers on lists such as this. 
> When
> > > they see an interesting topic come up on the lists, they each go
> and
> > > commission an article from one of writers in their stables.  Thus,
> > > several months later the mags have similar articles.  If my
> hypothesis
> > > is true, then we should see some articles on []. subqueries coming
> out
> > > in a few months.
> > >
> > > Charles Wortz
> > > Software Development Division
> > > Texas Education Agency
> > > 1701 N. Congress Ave
> > > Austin, TX 78701-1494
> > > 512-463-9493
> > > CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> 
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> 
> 
> 
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From Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK  Fri May  9 14:38:59 2003
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK (Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 20:38:59 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEDKDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEDKDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <1052509139.3ebc03d352bae@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

Yip. When I came on tho this list (lot of years now) and had a long argument 
with JC I started to learn. Today I have two books published, numerous 
articles and I am currrently working for the Microsoft Office Team. None of 
this would have been possible without the likes of John Colby, William, Rocky, 
Arthur, Mike Gunderloy and the other great developers on this list. Not 
forgetting Susuan Harkins. The other day I got an email that was addressed to 
myself and three others. I sat and looked at it but for this list and the 
ideas, arguments and teaching that has taken place I would not be here at all.

But outside of that its the friends I have made here that mean more than 
anything else.

I have to name John Colby and Susan. Two people who give freely of their time 
and expertise to others. Susan in particular has opened so many doors for me 
in the Database world. Arthur Fuller as well who I think does more of list 
than he does on.

Martin

Quoting John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:

> Ron,
> 
> I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,
> faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth
> be
> known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy, I
> still
> have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".
> 
> I remember my first job in Access.  I came from programming, but it
> wasn't
> event driven.  I was sooooo lost.  I sold myself for well under 1/2 my
> normal wage because the company was willing to let me read and learn
> what I
> had to learn to do their database.  4 hours reading, 6-8 hours working,
> 6
> days a week (the company's old db was dying a painful death).  This was
> 1994
> and there was no (widely available) internet, in fact not even an
> Access
> Users Group.  I was one of the founding members and board member of the
> San
> Diego Access Users Group and loved having someplace I could go once a
> month
> to talk about Access.  MAN, it was LONELY out there back then.
> 
> This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan,
> demented
> cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well you get
> the
> picture.  <ducking REAL low>
> 
> Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:04 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
> 
> 
> My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of
> dogs,
> and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly though,
> I
> agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think
> concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and
> new
> territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power
> programming'
> approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever
> offer
> (partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original
> posts).
> I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
> venerable list members.
> Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!
> 
> Ron
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 

From harkins at iglou.com  Fri May  9 14:28:36 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 15:28:36 -0400
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEDHDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <014701c31662$e8553450$364afccc@SusanOne>

I just reacted matter of factly and answered the questions I'm sure many
have wondered about. It's a touchy subject, but I'm not offended by it. Best
things are out in the open than have people wonder in silence. :)

It isn't in my best interest to alienate anyone. What works in a sharing
process -- one that encourages people to share more topics with me and gives
me a wider variety of topics with which to keep my publishers calling again.
It works well for me and I think it works well for the co-authors -- at
least they're not complaining. :) I know it works well for the publishers
and readers.

It's a business. In any business, you shold treat people fairly because 1.)
It's the right thing to do and 2.) It makes for better more productive
business.

There's nothing wrong with this topic and I certainly am not offended by
it -- and I don't understand what you mean about my reaction. I just
responded with the truth from my side of things. If you were expecting
Rabbit to kick your a*s -- she doesn't work this list... :)

Susan H.


> Now Susan, no one was saying you were stealing solutions.  I was just
joking
> in fact, but from your reaction...



From harkins at iglou.com  Fri May  9 14:42:10 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 15:42:10 -0400
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEDKDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <015801c31663$1f8aa860$364afccc@SusanOne>

Kindly Grandmothers like Susan, 

==========I can see I really should've kicked your a*s. :) 

Rabbit


From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Fri May  9 14:44:49 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 15:44:49 -0400
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEDKDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <002001c31663$73d5f140$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

...jest 'cause I think you rite lik 'n ms injuneer ain't not no reasun to go
a'callin' me names, eh! :)

William Hindman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:20 PM
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


> Ron,
>
> I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,
> faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth be
> known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy, I
still
> have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".
>
> I remember my first job in Access.  I came from programming, but it wasn't
> event driven.  I was sooooo lost.  I sold myself for well under 1/2 my
> normal wage because the company was willing to let me read and learn what
I
> had to learn to do their database.  4 hours reading, 6-8 hours working, 6
> days a week (the company's old db was dying a painful death).  This was
1994
> and there was no (widely available) internet, in fact not even an Access
> Users Group.  I was one of the founding members and board member of the
San
> Diego Access Users Group and loved having someplace I could go once a
month
> to talk about Access.  MAN, it was LONELY out there back then.
>
> This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan,
demented
> cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well you get the
> picture.  <ducking REAL low>
>
> Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:04 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
>
>
> My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of
dogs,
> and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly though, I
> agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think
> concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and new
> territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power programming'
> approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever
offer
> (partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original
posts).
> I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
> venerable list members.
> Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From delliker at hotmail.com  Fri May  9 14:55:32 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 15:55:32 -0400
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <Law12-F11285c9HZTa90000b672@hotmail.com>

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From PBudge at cbsol.com  Fri May  9 15:02:14 2003
From: PBudge at cbsol.com (PBudge at cbsol.com)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 15:02:14 -0500
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <OF353BC528.F0F039E1-ON86256D21.006DA31D@cbsol.com>


He said DEMENTED, not DENSE!!!!  ;-))))))))))))))))))))))

Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions


                                                                                                                                               
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...jest 'cause I think you rite lik 'n ms injuneer ain't not no reasun to
go
a'callin' me names, eh! :)

William Hindman
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:20 PM
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


> Ron,
>
> I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,
> faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth be
> known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy, I
still
> have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".
>
> I remember my first job in Access.  I came from programming, but it
wasn't
> event driven.  I was sooooo lost.  I sold myself for well under 1/2 my
> normal wage because the company was willing to let me read and learn what
I
> had to learn to do their database.  4 hours reading, 6-8 hours working, 6
> days a week (the company's old db was dying a painful death).  This was
1994
> and there was no (widely available) internet, in fact not even an Access
> Users Group.  I was one of the founding members and board member of the
San
> Diego Access Users Group and loved having someplace I could go once a
month
> to talk about Access.  MAN, it was LONELY out there back then.
>
> This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan,
demented
> cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well you get the
> picture.  <ducking REAL low>
>
> Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:04 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
>
>
> My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of
dogs,
> and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly though, I
> agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think
> concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and new
> territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power
programming'
> approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever
offer
> (partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original
posts).
> I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
> venerable list members.
> Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com






From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Fri May  9 15:03:11 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 15:03:11 -0500
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357DB@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

_d,

I'm not part of this writers' cabal!  I may have other faults, but that
is not one of them! <grin>


Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 14:56
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery
Importance: Low


that's what all you satanic cabalists say! And it goes a long way
towards explaining some of the occurances in my dbs (just to keep it on
topic)
_d
"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." 
>From: "Wortz, Charles" 
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>To: 
>Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery 
>Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 14:21:40 -0500 
> 
>Cabals are not always satanic! However, I do not know if that is true 
>of all members of this list. 
> 
>Charles Wortz 

>-----Original Message----- 
>From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
>Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 14:14 
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line 
>subquery 
> 
> 
> 
>I was gonna get cabal but I decided on satanlite instead 
>_d 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." 
> >From: "Wortz, Charles" 
> >Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> >To: 
> >Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line 
>subquery 
> >Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 12:58:25 -0500 
> > 
> >Wrong John! It's JC that revealed the secrets of the cabal. 
> > 
> >Charles Wortz 

From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri May  9 15:05:02 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 13:05:02 -0700
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
References: <010b01c3165d$b93c4410$4814a8c0@Comtech.Comtechpst.com>
Message-ID: <01b801c31666$46b83b20$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Oh yeah, that reminds me, at the last Access Users Group of San Diego, I did
a coop presentation with two other folks about deploying run-times.  As part
of it I showed how to generate error handlers for every module - something
you need in a run time deployment - not mine of course, but John Colby's.
Put his name and web site up on the white board, of course.

John - hope you got some action from that!

I try to do a quickie presentation at the AUGSD meeting every month called
Coder's Corner - a coding tip of some kind.  And I always preface my tip by
saying that it's not my work.  Someone else showed me this and it's
generally from AccessD.  (I always tout AccessD every time I do a Coder's
Corner).

So I guess I second Martin - the list has made my business.  Just this week,
I got a couple of questions answered.

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Moore" <rmoore at comtechpst.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 12:03 PM
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


> My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of
dogs,
> and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly though, I
> agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think
> concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and new
> territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power programming'
> approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever
offer
> (partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original
posts).
> I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
> venerable list members.
> Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!
>
> Ron
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:42 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
>
>
> Now Susan, no one was saying you were stealing solutions.  I was just
joking
> in fact, but from your reaction...
>
> ;-)
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:27 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
>
>
> FWIW, I don't think anyone on this list can point to one of my articles
and
> say, "that's my solution and you stole it." :)
>
> I learn lots on this list -- a ton -- always something new. Generally,
> solutions don't write up well -- they are way too specific and customized.
> Occasionally, I can turn one into a generic, more universal article. Most
> likely, these solutions work their way into my own stuff -- making it
better
> and more efficient -- just like everyone else's. We pick stuff up, we
forget
> it, and then somewhere down the road, we're using it and we don't even
> remember where we learned it -- except we figure it must've been this
list.
>
> When I want to write about a very specific solution, I contact the person
> and make a deal. You will find many of my bylines have a co-author and
many
> of them are from this list.
>
> Lots of brilliant people here but not everything works as an article. The
> more specific a solution, the less appeal it has as an article. The
solution
> must be something that will be of interest to the average reader. For ever
5
> "topic" I pitch, the publishers buy 1. :)
>
> Susan H.
>
>
>
> > Naw, it's more likely that people like Susan, Martin and Arthur all
write
> > for these newsletters.  They are list members, and when they see a good
> > topic, they write an article.  Since an article can only be sold to a
> single
> > newsletter, they all get together and discuss who's gonna write up the
tip
> > for which newsletter.  Susan sells to one, Martin to another, Arthur to
> > another.  Etc.
> >
> > No law says they each can't write on the same SUBJECT but for a
different
> > newsletter.
> >
> > And if they didn't before, they will now.  ;-)
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 12:49 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> >
> >
> > I've often thought that too. I subscribe to a number of
> > newsletters/magazines and they do tend to have similar topics in them.
The
> > Q&A/Tips sections often reflect items that have popped up on various
> lists.
> >
> > JB
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz,
Charles
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:04 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> > >
> > >
> > > Charlotte,
> > >
> > > More likely that the editors are lurkers on lists such as this.  When
> > > they see an interesting topic come up on the lists, they each go and
> > > commission an article from one of writers in their stables.  Thus,
> > > several months later the mags have similar articles.  If my hypothesis
> > > is true, then we should see some articles on []. subqueries coming out
> > > in a few months.
> > >
> > > Charles Wortz
> > > Software Development Division
> > > Texas Education Agency
> > > 1701 N. Congress Ave
> > > Austin, TX 78701-1494
> > > 512-463-9493
> > > CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Fri May  9 15:07:44 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 15:07:44 -0500
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357DC@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Pamela,

Do you know for a fact that William is not both? <grin>

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: PBudge at cbsol.com [mailto:PBudge at cbsol.com] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 15:02
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery
Importance: Low



He said DEMENTED, not DENSE!!!!  ;-))))))))))))))))))))))

Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions


 

                      "William Hindman"

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<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

                      Sent by:                         cc:

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                      dvisors.com

 

 

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                      Please respond to accessd

 

 
...jest 'cause I think you rite lik 'n ms injuneer ain't not no reasun
to go a'callin' me names, eh! :)

William Hindman
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:20 PM
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


> Ron,
>
> I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,

> faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth 
> be known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy,

> I
still
> have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".
>
<snip big chunk of his sad story>
</snip>
> This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan,
demented
> cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well you get 
> the picture.  <ducking REAL low>
>
> Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com

From DMcAfee at haascnc.com  Fri May  9 15:29:19 2003
From: DMcAfee at haascnc.com (David McAfee)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 13:29:19 -0700 
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subque
	ry
Message-ID: <657FB70438B7D311AF320090279C1801026D7A15@EXCHMAIL>

Crazy uncles like John :P

D

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby
<snip>
This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan, demented
cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well you get the
picture.  <ducking REAL low>
<snip>

From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May  9 15:24:29 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 13:24:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters:
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F2F@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Ye gawds!  With 6 kids, how did you ever find time to write anything??
<VBG>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
[mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 11:31 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters:


Feel free folks to throw any ideas for articles my way with appropriate 
examples. I aint proud. I got 6 kids to feed.

Martin
(VBG)


Quoting Ron Moore <rmoore at comtechpst.com>:

> My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of

> dogs,
> and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly
though,
> I
> agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think

> concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and 
> new territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power
> programming'
> approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever
> offer
> (partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original
> posts).
> I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
> venerable list members.
> Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!
> 
> Ron
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:42 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line 
> subquery
> 
> 
> Now Susan, no one was saying you were stealing solutions.  I was just 
> joking in fact, but from your reaction...
> 
> ;-)
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan 
> Harkins
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:27 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line 
> subquery
> 
> 
> FWIW, I don't think anyone on this list can point to one of my 
> articles and say, "that's my solution and you stole it." :)
> 
> I learn lots on this list -- a ton -- always something new. Generally,

> solutions don't write up well -- they are way too specific and 
> customized. Occasionally, I can turn one into a generic, more 
> universal article. Most
> likely, these solutions work their way into my own stuff -- making it
> better
> and more efficient -- just like everyone else's. We pick stuff up, we
> forget
> it, and then somewhere down the road, we're using it and we don't even
> remember where we learned it -- except we figure it must've been this
> list.
> 
> When I want to write about a very specific solution, I contact the 
> person and make a deal. You will find many of my bylines have a 
> co-author and many
> of them are from this list.
> 
> Lots of brilliant people here but not everything works as an article. 
> The more specific a solution, the less appeal it has as an article. 
> The solution
> must be something that will be of interest to the average reader. For
> ever 5
> "topic" I pitch, the publishers buy 1. :)
> 
> Susan H.
> 
> 
> 
> > Naw, it's more likely that people like Susan, Martin and Arthur all
> write
> > for these newsletters.  They are list members, and when they see a
> good
> > topic, they write an article.  Since an article can only be sold to
> a
> single
> > newsletter, they all get together and discuss who's gonna write up 
> > the
> tip
> > for which newsletter.  Susan sells to one, Martin to another, Arthur
> to
> > another.  Etc.
> >
> > No law says they each can't write on the same SUBJECT but for a
> different
> > newsletter.
> >
> > And if they didn't before, they will now.  ;-)
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John
> Bartow
> > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 12:49 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> >
> >
> > I've often thought that too. I subscribe to a number of 
> > newsletters/magazines and they do tend to have similar topics in 
> > them.
> The
> > Q&A/Tips sections often reflect items that have popped up on various
> lists.
> >
> > JB
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz,
> Charles
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:04 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> > >
> > >
> > > Charlotte,
> > >
> > > More likely that the editors are lurkers on lists such as this.
> When
> > > they see an interesting topic come up on the lists, they each go
> and
> > > commission an article from one of writers in their stables.  Thus,

> > > several months later the mags have similar articles.  If my
> hypothesis
> > > is true, then we should see some articles on []. subqueries coming
> out
> > > in a few months.
> > >
> > > Charles Wortz
> > > Software Development Division
> > > Texas Education Agency
> > > 1701 N. Congress Ave
> > > Austin, TX 78701-1494
> > > 512-463-9493
> > > CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
> 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May  9 15:25:05 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 13:25:05 -0700
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F30@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Are you talking to me?

666

-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 11:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


Cabals are not always satanic!  However, I do not know if that is true
of all members of this list. <grin>
Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 14:14
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


I was gonna get cabal but I decided on satanlite instead
_d





"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." 
>From: "Wortz, Charles" 
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>To: 
>Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery 
>Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 12:58:25 -0500 
> 
>Wrong John! It's JC that revealed the secrets of the cabal. 
> 
>Charles Wortz 
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: The Cabal [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
>Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 12:53 
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line 
>subquery 
> 
> 
>unsubscribe AccessD John Bartow "the troublemaker" 
>unsubscribe DevAccess John Bartow "the troublemaker" unsubscribe Access

>Unlimited John Bartow "the troublemaker" unsubscribe Inside Microsoft 
>Access John Bartow "the troublemaker" unsubscribe LangaList John Bartow

>"the troublemaker" unsubscribe Access Developer News John Bartow "the 
>troublemaker" unsubscribe AppTrix John Bartow "the troublemaker" 
>unsubscribe Smart Access eXTRA John Bartow "the troublemaker" 
>unsubscribe Woody's Access Watch John Bartow "the troublemaker" 
> 
> 
>Let this be a warning to you all. 
> 
>The Newsletter Cabal 

From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May  9 15:25:25 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 13:25:25 -0700
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F31@infoserver01.infostat.local>

ROTFL
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
	Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 11:14 AM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL
in-line subquery
	
	

	I was gonna get cabal but I decided on satanlite instead
	_d
	




	"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for
them." 
	
	>From: "Wortz, Charles" 
	>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
	>To: 
	>Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL
in-line subquery 
	>Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 12:58:25 -0500 
	> 
	>Wrong John! It's JC that revealed the secrets of the cabal. 
	> 
	>Charles Wortz 
	>Software Development Division 
	>Texas Education Agency 
	>1701 N. Congress Ave 
	>Austin, TX 78701-1494 
	>512-463-9493 
	>CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
	> 
	> 
	> 
	>-----Original Message----- 
	>From: The Cabal [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
	>Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 12:53 
	>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
	>Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL
in-line 
	>subquery 
	> 
	> 
	>unsubscribe AccessD John Bartow "the troublemaker" 
	>unsubscribe DevAccess John Bartow "the troublemaker"
unsubscribe Access 
	>Unlimited John Bartow "the troublemaker" unsubscribe Inside
Microsoft 
	>Access John Bartow "the troublemaker" unsubscribe LangaList
John Bartow 
	>"the troublemaker" unsubscribe Access Developer News John
Bartow "the 
	>troublemaker" unsubscribe AppTrix John Bartow "the
troublemaker" 
	>unsubscribe Smart Access eXTRA John Bartow "the troublemaker" 
	>unsubscribe Woody's Access Watch John Bartow "the troublemaker"

	> 
	> 
	>Let this be a warning to you all. 
	> 
	>The Newsletter Cabal 
	>_______________________________________________ 
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	>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
	>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd 
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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Fri May  9 15:31:54 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 15:31:54 -0500
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357DE@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

If the shoe fits, wear it. <VBG>

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 15:25
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery
Importance: Low


Are you talking to me?

666

-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 11:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


Cabals are not always satanic!  However, I do not know if that is true
of all members of this list. <grin> 
Charles Wortz 
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 14:14
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


I was gonna get cabal but I decided on satanlite instead
_d





"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." 
>From: "Wortz, Charles"
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>To: 
>Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery 
>Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 12:58:25 -0500
> 
>Wrong John! It's JC that revealed the secrets of the cabal.
> 
>Charles Wortz
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: The Cabal [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
>Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 12:53 
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line 
>subquery 
> 
> 
>unsubscribe AccessD John Bartow "the troublemaker"
>unsubscribe DevAccess John Bartow "the troublemaker" unsubscribe Access

>Unlimited John Bartow "the troublemaker" unsubscribe Inside Microsoft
>Access John Bartow "the troublemaker" unsubscribe LangaList John Bartow

>"the troublemaker" unsubscribe Access Developer News John Bartow "the
>troublemaker" unsubscribe AppTrix John Bartow "the troublemaker" 
>unsubscribe Smart Access eXTRA John Bartow "the troublemaker" 
>unsubscribe Woody's Access Watch John Bartow "the troublemaker" 
> 
> 
>Let this be a warning to you all.
> 
>The Newsletter Cabal

From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Fri May  9 15:36:09 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 16:36:09 -0400
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
References: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357DC@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <002a01c3166a$9f8b8050$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

...its ok Charles ...we all know you and JC co-wrote the A2k/XP Help Files
:))))

William Hindman ...take that!!!!!! :))))))

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wortz, Charles" <CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:07 PM
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


> Pamela,
>
> Do you know for a fact that William is not both? <grin>
>
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PBudge at cbsol.com [mailto:PBudge at cbsol.com]
> Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 15:02
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
> Importance: Low
>
>
>
> He said DEMENTED, not DENSE!!!!  ;-))))))))))))))))))))))
>
> Pamela G. Budge
> PBudge at cbsol.com
> Creative Business Solutions
>
>
>
>
>                       "William Hindman"
>
>                       <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>        To:
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
>                       Sent by:                         cc:
>
>                       accessd-bounces at databasea        Subject:  Re:
> Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
>
>                       dvisors.com
>
>
>
>
>
>                       05/09/2003 02:44 PM
>
>                       Please respond to accessd
>
>
>
>
> ...jest 'cause I think you rite lik 'n ms injuneer ain't not no reasun
> to go a'callin' me names, eh! :)
>
> William Hindman
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:20 PM
> Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
>
>
> > Ron,
> >
> > I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,
>
> > faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth
> > be known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy,
>
> > I
> still
> > have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".
> >
> <snip big chunk of his sad story>
> </snip>
> > This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan,
> demented
> > cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well you get
> > the picture.  <ducking REAL low>
> >
> > Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From rmoore at comtechpst.com  Fri May  9 15:37:03 2003
From: rmoore at comtechpst.com (Ron Moore)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 16:37:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
In-Reply-To: <1052509139.3ebc03d352bae@hosea.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <012201c3166a$c05f95a0$4814a8c0@Comtech.Comtechpst.com>

Martin,  hasn't everyone who came on this list had a long argument with JC?
Are you saying we only begin to learn after we've had said long argument?


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Yip. When I came on tho this list (lot of years now) and had a long argument
with JC I started to learn. Today I have two books published, numerous
articles and I am currrently working for the Microsoft Office Team. None of
this would have been possible without the likes of John Colby, William,
Rocky,
Arthur, Mike Gunderloy and the other great developers on this list. Not
forgetting Susuan Harkins. The other day I got an email that was addressed
to
myself and three others. I sat and looked at it but for this list and the
ideas, arguments and teaching that has taken place I would not be here at
all.

But outside of that its the friends I have made here that mean more than
anything else.

I have to name John Colby and Susan. Two people who give freely of their
time
and expertise to others. Susan in particular has opened so many doors for me
in the Database world. Arthur Fuller as well who I think does more of list
than he does on.

Martin

Quoting John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:

> Ron,
>
> I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,
> faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth
> be
> known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy, I
> still
> have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".
>
> I remember my first job in Access.  I came from programming, but it
> wasn't
> event driven.  I was sooooo lost.  I sold myself for well under 1/2 my
> normal wage because the company was willing to let me read and learn
> what I
> had to learn to do their database.  4 hours reading, 6-8 hours working,
> 6
> days a week (the company's old db was dying a painful death).  This was
> 1994
> and there was no (widely available) internet, in fact not even an
> Access
> Users Group.  I was one of the founding members and board member of the
> San
> Diego Access Users Group and loved having someplace I could go once a
> month
> to talk about Access.  MAN, it was LONELY out there back then.
>
> This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan,
> demented
> cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well you get
> the
> picture.  <ducking REAL low>
>
> Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:04 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
>
>
> My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of
> dogs,
> and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly though,
> I
> agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think
> concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and
> new
> territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power
> programming'
> approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever
> offer
> (partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original
> posts).
> I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
> venerable list members.
> Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From Paul.Millard at freight.fedex.com  Fri May  9 15:45:04 2003
From: Paul.Millard at freight.fedex.com (Millard, Paul --- Sr. Developer Analyst ---WGO)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 13:45:04 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ORA-00937: not a single-group group function
Message-ID: <0F9AF20DCECA7A44B075FCA26ECE3E6F06AAF8@pe2kdc1.fxfwest.freight.fedex.com>


Folks,

I'm receiving the error above when doing this query. I'm trying to count and sum a few fields (with filter on account level and fb_no) while putting the total (filtered to account level) in another field in the same sql query using a subquery.  

Here is a sample output.
Filtered = 30 records
All (unfiltered) 100 records

Bills, Wt, LbClass, WtdClass, TotalBills
30, .., .., .., 100

Can anyone please help!
Thanks,
Paul Millard



select distinct
Count(Distinct t1.mai_fb_no) Bills,
Sum(t2.mai_fb_item_weight) Wt,
Sum(t2.mai_fb_item_weight*t3.dw_freight_class_id) LbClass,
Sum(t2.mai_fb_item_weight*t3.dw_freight_class_id)/Sum(t2.mai_fb_item_weight) WtdClass,
/*begin subquery*/
(select 
Count(t1.mai_fb_no) Bills
from
mai_shipment t1,
dw_customer t4,
dw_date t5
where
t1.mai_shipper_key=t4.dw_cust_key and
t1.mai_dl_date_key=t5.dw_date_key and
t4.dw_cust_old_number='SNM2904SFR' and
t5.dw_day_date between to_date('2003-03-04 00:00:00', 'YYYY-MM-DD HH24:MI:SS') and 
to_date('2003-03-04 00:00:00', 'YYYY-MM-DD HH24:MI:SS')) As TotalBills
/*end subquery*/
from
mai_shipment t1,
mai_shipment_item t2,
dw_freight_class t3,
dw_customer t4,
dw_date t5
where
t1.mai_fb_no=t2.mai_fb_no and
t1.mai_fb_suf=t2.mai_fb_suf and
t2.mai_freight_class_key=t3.dw_freight_class_key and
t1.mai_shipper_key=t4.dw_cust_key and
t1.mai_dl_date_key=t5.dw_date_key and
t2.mai_fb_item_weight>0 and
t3.dw_freight_class_id Is Not Null and
t1.mai_fb_no In('747938850', '936046135') and
t5.dw_day_date between to_date('2003-03-04 00:00:00', 'YYYY-MM-DD HH24:MI:SS') and 
to_date('2003-03-04 00:00:00', 'YYYY-MM-DD HH24:MI:SS')

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 1:25 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


Are you talking to me?

666

-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 11:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


Cabals are not always satanic!  However, I do not know if that is true
of all members of this list. <grin>
Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 14:14
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


I was gonna get cabal but I decided on satanlite instead
_d





"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." 
>From: "Wortz, Charles" 
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>To: 
>Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery 
>Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 12:58:25 -0500 
> 
>Wrong John! It's JC that revealed the secrets of the cabal. 
> 
>Charles Wortz 
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: The Cabal [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
>Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 12:53 
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line 
>subquery 
> 
> 
>unsubscribe AccessD John Bartow "the troublemaker" 
>unsubscribe DevAccess John Bartow "the troublemaker" unsubscribe Access

>Unlimited John Bartow "the troublemaker" unsubscribe Inside Microsoft 
>Access John Bartow "the troublemaker" unsubscribe LangaList John Bartow

>"the troublemaker" unsubscribe Access Developer News John Bartow "the 
>troublemaker" unsubscribe AppTrix John Bartow "the troublemaker" 
>unsubscribe Smart Access eXTRA John Bartow "the troublemaker" 
>unsubscribe Woody's Access Watch John Bartow "the troublemaker" 
> 
> 
>Let this be a warning to you all. 
> 
>The Newsletter Cabal 
_______________________________________________
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May  9 15:47:36 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 13:47:36 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F32@infoserver01.infostat.local>



-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Moore [mailto:rmoore at comtechpst.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 12:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Martin,  hasn't everyone who came on this list had a long argument with
JC? Are you saying we only begin to learn after we've had said long
argument?


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Yip. When I came on tho this list (lot of years now) and had a long
argument with JC I started to learn. Today I have two books published,
numerous articles and I am currrently working for the Microsoft Office
Team. None of this would have been possible without the likes of John
Colby, William, Rocky, Arthur, Mike Gunderloy and the other great
developers on this list. Not forgetting Susuan Harkins. The other day I
got an email that was addressed to myself and three others. I sat and
looked at it but for this list and the ideas, arguments and teaching
that has taken place I would not be here at all.

But outside of that its the friends I have made here that mean more than
anything else.

I have to name John Colby and Susan. Two people who give freely of their
time and expertise to others. Susan in particular has opened so many
doors for me in the Database world. Arthur Fuller as well who I think
does more of list than he does on.

Martin

Quoting John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:

> Ron,
>
> I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,

> faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth 
> be known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy,

> I still
> have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".
>
> I remember my first job in Access.  I came from programming, but it 
> wasn't event driven.  I was sooooo lost.  I sold myself for well under

> 1/2 my normal wage because the company was willing to let me read and 
> learn what I
> had to learn to do their database.  4 hours reading, 6-8 hours
working,
> 6
> days a week (the company's old db was dying a painful death).  This
was
> 1994
> and there was no (widely available) internet, in fact not even an
> Access
> Users Group.  I was one of the founding members and board member of
the
> San
> Diego Access Users Group and loved having someplace I could go once a
> month
> to talk about Access.  MAN, it was LONELY out there back then.
>
> This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan, 
> demented cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well 
> you get the
> picture.  <ducking REAL low>
>
> Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:04 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line 
> subquery
>
>
> My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of

> dogs,
> and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly
though,
> I
> agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think

> concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and 
> new territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power
> programming'
> approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever
> offer
> (partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original
> posts).
> I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
> venerable list members.
> Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!
>
> Ron
>
>
>
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Fri May  9 15:48:14 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 16:48:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
References: <012201c3166a$c05f95a0$4814a8c0@Comtech.Comtechpst.com>
Message-ID: <003c01c3166c$4ff76c00$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

...AccessD rite of passage ...until you've been on the wrong end of of a JC
rant, you can't really belong :)

...years back, a raw newbie to AccessD, I dared to mention that I did my
j-i-t subforms just a bit differently ...two weeks later and a masters
degree in Access intricacies later, we called a truce out of sheer
exhaustion ...not ours of course but everyone else on the list ...but I did
buy his JIT sample and used it from then on :)))

William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Moore" <rmoore at comtechpst.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:37 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


> Martin,  hasn't everyone who came on this list had a long argument with
JC?
> Are you saying we only begin to learn after we've had said long argument?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:39 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
>
>
> Yip. When I came on tho this list (lot of years now) and had a long
argument
> with JC I started to learn. Today I have two books published, numerous
> articles and I am currrently working for the Microsoft Office Team. None
of
> this would have been possible without the likes of John Colby, William,
> Rocky,
> Arthur, Mike Gunderloy and the other great developers on this list. Not
> forgetting Susuan Harkins. The other day I got an email that was addressed
> to
> myself and three others. I sat and looked at it but for this list and the
> ideas, arguments and teaching that has taken place I would not be here at
> all.
>
> But outside of that its the friends I have made here that mean more than
> anything else.
>
> I have to name John Colby and Susan. Two people who give freely of their
> time
> and expertise to others. Susan in particular has opened so many doors for
me
> in the Database world. Arthur Fuller as well who I think does more of list
> than he does on.
>
> Martin
>
> Quoting John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
>
> > Ron,
> >
> > I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,
> > faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth
> > be
> > known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy, I
> > still
> > have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".
> >
> > I remember my first job in Access.  I came from programming, but it
> > wasn't
> > event driven.  I was sooooo lost.  I sold myself for well under 1/2 my
> > normal wage because the company was willing to let me read and learn
> > what I
> > had to learn to do their database.  4 hours reading, 6-8 hours working,
> > 6
> > days a week (the company's old db was dying a painful death).  This was
> > 1994
> > and there was no (widely available) internet, in fact not even an
> > Access
> > Users Group.  I was one of the founding members and board member of the
> > San
> > Diego Access Users Group and loved having someplace I could go once a
> > month
> > to talk about Access.  MAN, it was LONELY out there back then.
> >
> > This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan,
> > demented
> > cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well you get
> > the
> > picture.  <ducking REAL low>
> >
> > Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
> > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:04 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> > subquery
> >
> >
> > My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of
> > dogs,
> > and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly though,
> > I
> > agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think
> > concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and
> > new
> > territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power
> > programming'
> > approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever
> > offer
> > (partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original
> > posts).
> > I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
> > venerable list members.
> > Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!
> >
> > Ron
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From PBudge at cbsol.com  Fri May  9 15:55:46 2003
From: PBudge at cbsol.com (PBudge at cbsol.com)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 15:55:46 -0500
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <OF836FEF83.9334A248-ON86256D21.00728EC7@cbsol.com>


Actually, *I* would have said that William has a skull of the approximate
thickness of the walls at Fort Knox, but then I've had a lot of, uh,
"conversations" on a lot of topics with him!  But, I think a strong case
could be made for demented!!!!

 ;-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))


Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions


                                                                                                                                               
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Pamela,

Do you know for a fact that William is not both? <grin>

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: PBudge at cbsol.com [mailto:PBudge at cbsol.com]
Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 15:02
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery
Importance: Low



He said DEMENTED, not DENSE!!!!  ;-))))))))))))))))))))))

Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions




                      "William Hindman"

                      <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>        To:
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

                      Sent by:                         cc:

                      accessd-bounces at databasea        Subject:  Re:
Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery

                      dvisors.com





                      05/09/2003 02:44 PM

                      Please respond to accessd




...jest 'cause I think you rite lik 'n ms injuneer ain't not no reasun
to go a'callin' me names, eh! :)

William Hindman
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:20 PM
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


> Ron,
>
> I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,

> faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth
> be known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy,

> I
still
> have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".
>
<snip big chunk of his sad story>
</snip>
> This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan,
demented
> cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well you get
> the picture.  <ducking REAL low>
>
> Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Fri May  9 15:53:20 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 15:53:20 -0500
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F87803@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Sorry William,

I do not claim to be smart enough to know how to hide every possible way
a mere human can think of to try to look up something in the help files.
I would probably have overlooked some logical path into the help files,
and thus they would be somewhat helpful.  <grin>  Nor do I think that JC
could have done it either.  <VBG> They clearly are the handiwork of a
satanic cult, if not of Satan himself!

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 15:36
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery
Importance: Low


...its ok Charles ...we all know you and JC co-wrote the A2k/XP Help
Files
:))))

William Hindman ...take that!!!!!! :))))))

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wortz, Charles" <CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:07 PM
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


> Pamela,
>
> Do you know for a fact that William is not both? <grin>
>
> Charles Wortz
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PBudge at cbsol.com [mailto:PBudge at cbsol.com]
> Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 15:02
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line 
> subquery
> Importance: Low
>
>
>
> He said DEMENTED, not DENSE!!!!  ;-))))))))))))))))))))))
>
> Pamela G. Budge
> PBudge at cbsol.com
> Creative Business Solutions
>
>
>
>
>                       "William Hindman"
>
>                       <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>        To:
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
>                       Sent by:                         cc:
>
>                       accessd-bounces at databasea        Subject:  Re:
> Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
>
>                       dvisors.com
>
>
>
>
>
>                       05/09/2003 02:44 PM
>
>                       Please respond to accessd
>
>
>
>
> ...jest 'cause I think you rite lik 'n ms injuneer ain't not no reasun

> to go a'callin' me names, eh! :)
>
> William Hindman

From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Fri May  9 15:58:09 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 16:58:09 -0400
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
References: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F87803@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <006601c3166d$b220b480$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

"They clearly are the handiwork of a satanic cult, if not of Satan himself!"
Charles

...like I said :))))))))))

William Hindman ...btw, it IS Friday isn't it?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wortz, Charles" <CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:53 PM
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


> Sorry William,
>
> I do not claim to be smart enough to know how to hide every possible way
> a mere human can think of to try to look up something in the help files.
> I would probably have overlooked some logical path into the help files,
> and thus they would be somewhat helpful.  <grin>  Nor do I think that JC
> could have done it either.  <VBG> They clearly are the handiwork of a
> satanic cult, if not of Satan himself!
>
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 15:36
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
> Importance: Low
>
>
> ...its ok Charles ...we all know you and JC co-wrote the A2k/XP Help
> Files
> :))))
>
> William Hindman ...take that!!!!!! :))))))
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Wortz, Charles" <CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:07 PM
> Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
>
>
> > Pamela,
> >
> > Do you know for a fact that William is not both? <grin>
> >
> > Charles Wortz
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: PBudge at cbsol.com [mailto:PBudge at cbsol.com]
> > Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 15:02
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: Re: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> > subquery
> > Importance: Low
> >
> >
> >
> > He said DEMENTED, not DENSE!!!!  ;-))))))))))))))))))))))
> >
> > Pamela G. Budge
> > PBudge at cbsol.com
> > Creative Business Solutions
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >                       "William Hindman"
> >
> >                       <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>        To:
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >
> >                       Sent by:                         cc:
> >
> >                       accessd-bounces at databasea        Subject:  Re:
> > Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> >
> >                       dvisors.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >                       05/09/2003 02:44 PM
> >
> >                       Please respond to accessd
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ...jest 'cause I think you rite lik 'n ms injuneer ain't not no reasun
>
> > to go a'callin' me names, eh! :)
> >
> > William Hindman
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri May  9 16:02:33 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 14:02:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Normalization
In-Reply-To: <00cd01c31624$b0b261a0$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFOEBKCIAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Arthur:

What do you think of MS Viso as a design tools?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:16 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization


Great concept, a normalization tool!

"Yo, dumbass, these columns should be a related table, click OK to overrule
yo dumbass design, foo!" :-)

AFAIK no one has built it yet.

I'm a big fan of database-design tools such as Erwin, PowerDesigner and (my
fave lately) DeZign, which costs 1/10 of the price of the aforementioned and
delivers almost all their functionality. Said tools can inhale a db and turn
it into a model and let you remodel it and then exhale a db to a list of
targets, automatically converting data types etc. You can inhale Access and
exhale MySQL if that's what you want, or Oracle or DB2 or MS-SQL or Sybase.

When I work on a new project, I spend a lot of time in DeZign before writing
a line of code. When I work on an existing project, first thing I do is
import it into DeZign. It vaguely resembles the Access Relationships window
but offers many more benefits, most notably Domains.

(I own no shares in this company; I'm just a satisfied user.)

Back to your question. If the db Admins have not granted her sufficient
privs to export definitions then there is no simple way around it. She is
asking either for hacker tools or for increased privs.

Secondly, why export table definitions to Excel? Why not simple ascii files
that you can run in QA to rebuild structures?

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gale Perez
Sent: May 8, 2003 6:46 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access Normalization


Hello!

I haven't posted for quite a while (have been working
in Oracle, am now doing project management and working
on some Access tracking DBs).  It's nice to be back
and see familiar names :)

Is there a way to export Access table definitions into
Excel or into a normalization tool (we're using
Brackets)?  I'm asking on someone else's behalf and
she has tried Export but gets the message that she
doesn't have permissions (it's not a secured
database).  Can you access the data dictionary with
SQL statements?

Thank you for any assistance,
Gale


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From PBudge at cbsol.com  Fri May  9 16:06:11 2003
From: PBudge at cbsol.com (PBudge at cbsol.com)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 16:06:11 -0500
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <OF77BB3DF0.6617F8E3-ON86256D21.0073E3FD@cbsol.com>


Now THAT is a LOW blow!  ;-)))))))))))))))))))


Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions


                                                                                                                                               
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...its ok Charles ...we all know you and JC co-wrote the A2k/XP Help Files
:))))

William Hindman ...take that!!!!!! :))))))

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wortz, Charles" <CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:07 PM
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


> Pamela,
>
> Do you know for a fact that William is not both? <grin>
>
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PBudge at cbsol.com [mailto:PBudge at cbsol.com]
> Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 15:02
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
> Importance: Low
>
>
>
> He said DEMENTED, not DENSE!!!!  ;-))))))))))))))))))))))
>
> Pamela G. Budge
> PBudge at cbsol.com
> Creative Business Solutions
>
>
>
>
>                       "William Hindman"
>
>                       <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>        To:
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
>                       Sent by:                         cc:
>
>                       accessd-bounces at databasea        Subject:  Re:
> Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
>
>                       dvisors.com
>
>
>
>
>
>                       05/09/2003 02:44 PM
>
>                       Please respond to accessd
>
>
>
>
> ...jest 'cause I think you rite lik 'n ms injuneer ain't not no reasun
> to go a'callin' me names, eh! :)
>
> William Hindman
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:20 PM
> Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
>
>
> > Ron,
> >
> > I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,
>
> > faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth
> > be known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy,
>
> > I
> still
> > have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".
> >
> <snip big chunk of his sad story>
> </snip>
> > This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan,
> demented
> > cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well you get
> > the picture.  <ducking REAL low>
> >
> > Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!
> >
> > John W. Colby
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From Paul.Millard at freight.fedex.com  Fri May  9 16:06:47 2003
From: Paul.Millard at freight.fedex.com (Millard, Paul --- Sr. Developer Analyst ---WGO)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 14:06:47 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ORA-00937: not a single-group group function...SOLVED
Message-ID: <0F9AF20DCECA7A44B075FCA26ECE3E6F06AAF9@pe2kdc1.fxfwest.freight.fedex.com>

Figured out my problem....need to wrap aggregate function around the subquery such as:

Min((select 
Count(t1.mai_fb_no) Bills
from
mai_shipment t1,
dw_customer t4,
dw_date t5
where
t1.mai_shipper_key=t4.dw_cust_key and
t1.mai_dl_date_key=t5.dw_date_key and
t4.dw_cust_old_number='SNM2904SFR' and
t5.dw_day_date between to_date('2003-03-04 00:00:00', 'YYYY-MM-DD HH24:MI:SS') and 
to_date('2003-03-04 00:00:00', 'YYYY-MM-DD HH24:MI:SS'))) Total Bills



-----Original Message-----
From: Millard, Paul --- Sr. Developer Analyst ---WGO 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 1:45 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] ORA-00937: not a single-group group function



Folks,

I'm receiving the error above when doing this query. I'm trying to count and sum a few fields (with filter on account level and fb_no) while putting the total (filtered to account level) in another field in the same sql query using a subquery.  

Here is a sample output.
Filtered = 30 records
All (unfiltered) 100 records

Bills, Wt, LbClass, WtdClass, TotalBills
30, .., .., .., 100

Can anyone please help!
Thanks,
Paul Millard



select distinct
Count(Distinct t1.mai_fb_no) Bills,
Sum(t2.mai_fb_item_weight) Wt,
Sum(t2.mai_fb_item_weight*t3.dw_freight_class_id) LbClass,
Sum(t2.mai_fb_item_weight*t3.dw_freight_class_id)/Sum(t2.mai_fb_item_weight) WtdClass,
/*begin subquery*/
(select 
Count(t1.mai_fb_no) Bills
from
mai_shipment t1,
dw_customer t4,
dw_date t5
where
t1.mai_shipper_key=t4.dw_cust_key and
t1.mai_dl_date_key=t5.dw_date_key and
t4.dw_cust_old_number='SNM2904SFR' and
t5.dw_day_date between to_date('2003-03-04 00:00:00', 'YYYY-MM-DD HH24:MI:SS') and 
to_date('2003-03-04 00:00:00', 'YYYY-MM-DD HH24:MI:SS')) As TotalBills
/*end subquery*/
from
mai_shipment t1,
mai_shipment_item t2,
dw_freight_class t3,
dw_customer t4,
dw_date t5
where
t1.mai_fb_no=t2.mai_fb_no and
t1.mai_fb_suf=t2.mai_fb_suf and
t2.mai_freight_class_key=t3.dw_freight_class_key and
t1.mai_shipper_key=t4.dw_cust_key and
t1.mai_dl_date_key=t5.dw_date_key and
t2.mai_fb_item_weight>0 and
t3.dw_freight_class_id Is Not Null and
t1.mai_fb_no In('747938850', '936046135') and
t5.dw_day_date between to_date('2003-03-04 00:00:00', 'YYYY-MM-DD HH24:MI:SS') and 
to_date('2003-03-04 00:00:00', 'YYYY-MM-DD HH24:MI:SS')

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 1:25 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


Are you talking to me?

666

-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 11:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


Cabals are not always satanic!  However, I do not know if that is true
of all members of this list. <grin>
Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 14:14
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


I was gonna get cabal but I decided on satanlite instead
_d





"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." 
>From: "Wortz, Charles" 
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>To: 
>Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery 
>Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 12:58:25 -0500 
> 
>Wrong John! It's JC that revealed the secrets of the cabal. 
> 
>Charles Wortz 
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: The Cabal [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
>Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 12:53 
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line 
>subquery 
> 
> 
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Fri May  9 16:08:29 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 17:08:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
References: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFOEBKCIAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <007801c3166f$23d6b380$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

Jim...anyone

...I'm just now really getting into Visio ...has anyone here integrated it
with Access in an application?
...my intent is to use it as the primary user interface with a tradeshow
booth booking app and I'm looking for anyone who's done something similar.

William Hindman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:02 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization


> Hi Arthur:
>
> What do you think of MS Viso as a design tools?
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:16 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization
>
>
> Great concept, a normalization tool!
>
> "Yo, dumbass, these columns should be a related table, click OK to
overrule
> yo dumbass design, foo!" :-)
>
> AFAIK no one has built it yet.
>
> I'm a big fan of database-design tools such as Erwin, PowerDesigner and
(my
> fave lately) DeZign, which costs 1/10 of the price of the aforementioned
and
> delivers almost all their functionality. Said tools can inhale a db and
turn
> it into a model and let you remodel it and then exhale a db to a list of
> targets, automatically converting data types etc. You can inhale Access
and
> exhale MySQL if that's what you want, or Oracle or DB2 or MS-SQL or
Sybase.
>
> When I work on a new project, I spend a lot of time in DeZign before
writing
> a line of code. When I work on an existing project, first thing I do is
> import it into DeZign. It vaguely resembles the Access Relationships
window
> but offers many more benefits, most notably Domains.
>
> (I own no shares in this company; I'm just a satisfied user.)
>
> Back to your question. If the db Admins have not granted her sufficient
> privs to export definitions then there is no simple way around it. She is
> asking either for hacker tools or for increased privs.
>
> Secondly, why export table definitions to Excel? Why not simple ascii
files
> that you can run in QA to rebuild structures?
>
> Arthur
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gale Perez
> Sent: May 8, 2003 6:46 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Access Normalization
>
>
> Hello!
>
> I haven't posted for quite a while (have been working
> in Oracle, am now doing project management and working
> on some Access tracking DBs).  It's nice to be back
> and see familiar names :)
>
> Is there a way to export Access table definitions into
> Excel or into a normalization tool (we're using
> Brackets)?  I'm asking on someone else's behalf and
> she has tried Export but gets the message that she
> doesn't have permissions (it's not a secured
> database).  Can you access the data dictionary with
> SQL statements?
>
> Thank you for any assistance,
> Gale
>
>
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From harkins at iglou.com  Fri May  9 16:15:10 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 17:15:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
References: <012201c3166a$c05f95a0$4814a8c0@Comtech.Comtechpst.com>
	<003c01c3166c$4ff76c00$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>
Message-ID: <021601c31670$3858ae70$364afccc@SusanOne>

Ok, what the he*l is a jit subform?

Susan H.


> ...AccessD rite of passage ...until you've been on the wrong end of of a
JC
> rant, you can't really belong :)
>
> ...years back, a raw newbie to AccessD, I dared to mention that I did my
> j-i-t subforms just a bit differently ...two weeks later and a masters
> degree in Access intricacies later, we called a truce out of sheer
> exhaustion ...not ours of course but everyone else on the list ...but I
did
> buy his JIT sample and used it from then on :)))
>



From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  9 16:23:30 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 16:23:30 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B30@main2.marlow.com>

Pure VB codes almost exactly the same as VBA.  The syntax is identical,
there are just a few minor changes in functions (such as AddressOf is a
default ability in VB, and Eval is only available in VBA).
 
As far as the NT Service OCX, let me explain....
 
A service is something that runs on your machine whether you are logged onto
it or not.  (Once Windows has loaded it's device driver's, etc., then it
starts the services).  In 9x, services are just a registry entry
(HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunService) (That may be
RunAsService...don't remember, and it's not on NT machines, which is what I
am using now...)  Any program can be placed there in the registry, and it is
run by windows as soon as it comes up....regardless of whether a desktop is
loaded or not.
 
Now, an NT service is similar, however, it's not a normal registry entry.
Services is part of the Administrative control panel.  (Control Panel -->
Administrative Tools).  That lists every service running on your machine.
>From that panel, you can start and stop services, you can set whether they
can interact with the desktop, or what NT account is used to run the service
as.  Pretty flexible.  However, to 'build' an NT service, requires callback
capability, since the system has to 'holler' at the service to start or
stop, etc.  The NT service OCX (ActiveX control) provides that callback
capability to VB.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
[mailto:SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:46 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT


Hi drew - this is an mdb - the basic process it performs is to log on to an
external system, read in some data, manipulate that data and export it out
to an external txt file.
 
I have done it in vba only because I do not know pure vb (and don't own it).
There's no requirement to change it as it does the job - just need it
automated. They are running Windows NT. You lost me on the NT service OCX.
What is that?
 
Rgds
Kath

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Drew Wutka <mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com>  
To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com  <mailto:'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com '>
' 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:25 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT

What are you trying to run.  Is it just a data routine, or is it running
reports?  If it's just a data routine, I personally recommend using the NT
service OCX, which allows a VB .exe to run as an NT service.  Much easier to
deal with, shows up in the list of services, the ocx has an easy method to
dump information in the event viewer, etc.

Running reports can be done this way too, but it needs to use Automation.  

>From what I understand, VB.Net has the NT Service capability built in.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com <mailto:AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> 
Sent: 5/8/03 10:08 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT

Have any of you had much experience with scheduling applications to run
(ie. mdb files) using the AT command?
 
I am trying to get a job to run overnight for a client using the
following syntax:
 
at 14:26 /interactive /Every:M,T,W,Th,F cmd /c D:\Prices\Priceload.bat
 
where the files Priceload.bat contains the following:
  _____  

@ECHO OFF
REM Daily Price File Load
TITLE GBST PRICE LOAD
 
M:
cd \Price
echo ENTER PRICE FOLDER
ntsleep 2 > nul
 
Call Price.mdb

  _____  

 
I then get the message 'M:\Price\Price.mdb file not found'.
 
Because it is real PITN to keep mucking around with this syntax in DOS,
I am also having a play with some shareware(?) the client had called
WINAT. It seems good, but when I use it at my client site to edit the
paremeters of the AT command, extra characters appear at the end of the
command, so I am not sure whether the command will work or not.
Characters are things like pipes and @symbols. 
 
So my question for anyone using AT is: do you have any tips to share?
What is the most reliable way you have found to schedule an mdb to run?
 
TIA
Kath
 
 
Kath Pelletti
Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
Ph: 9505-6714
Fax: 9505-6430
SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au <mailto:SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au>  <
mailto:SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au <mailto:SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au> > 
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Fri May  9 16:26:09 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 17:26:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
References: 	<012201c3166a$c05f95a0$4814a8c0@Comtech.Comtechpst.com><003c01c3166c$4ff76c00$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>
	<021601c31670$3858ae70$364afccc@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <008c01c31671$9b8f9660$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

...just-in-time record source setting for tabbed subforms ...by not filling
the subs until they are viewed, the main form loads much more quickly ...HTH
:)

William Hindman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Harkins" <harkins at iglou.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


> Ok, what the he*l is a jit subform?
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> > ...AccessD rite of passage ...until you've been on the wrong end of of a
> JC
> > rant, you can't really belong :)
> >
> > ...years back, a raw newbie to AccessD, I dared to mention that I did my
> > j-i-t subforms just a bit differently ...two weeks later and a masters
> > degree in Access intricacies later, we called a truce out of sheer
> > exhaustion ...not ours of course but everyone else on the list ...but I
> did
> > buy his JIT sample and used it from then on :)))
> >
>
>
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From sgsax at ksu.edu  Fri May  9 16:31:39 2003
From: sgsax at ksu.edu (Seth Galitzer)
Date: 09 May 2003 16:31:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] JIT subforms - was: Subjects in Newsletters
In-Reply-To: <021601c31670$3858ae70$364afccc@SusanOne>
References: <012201c3166a$c05f95a0$4814a8c0@Comtech.Comtechpst.com>
	<003c01c3166c$4ff76c00$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop> 
	<021601c31670$3858ae70$364afccc@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <1052515900.7106.5.camel@sgsax-th4022c>

Sumthin ye'd hafta be an idjit not to use.

:)

Had to chime in on a Friday...

The real answer is Just In Time.  In this context it's used for the case
where you have multiple subforms, ie on multiple pages of a tab
control.  If you left them bound all the time, the form could take a
long time to load up, depending on the number of subforms and the numer
of records each needs to display.  By implementing JIT, you load the
recordsource for a subform only when that subform is visible, "just in
time" for the user to see it.  The subforms are still bound, only you
specify what they are bound to only when necessary.

Happy Friday, all!

Seth

On Fri, 2003-05-09 at 16:15, Susan Harkins wrote:
> Ok, what the he*l is a jit subform?
> 
> Susan H.
> 
> 
> > ...AccessD rite of passage ...until you've been on the wrong end of of a
> JC
> > rant, you can't really belong :)
> >
> > ...years back, a raw newbie to AccessD, I dared to mention that I did my
> > j-i-t subforms just a bit differently ...two weeks later and a masters
> > degree in Access intricacies later, we called a truce out of sheer
> > exhaustion ...not ours of course but everyone else on the list ...but I
> did
> > buy his JIT sample and used it from then on :)))
> >
> 

-- 
Seth Galitzer			sgsax at ksu.edu
Computing Specialist		http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax
Dept. of Plant Pathology
Kansas State University


From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri May  9 16:32:41 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 14:32:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
In-Reply-To: <007801c3166f$23d6b380$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFOEBMCIAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

William:

Not I, but I have used it on a MS SQL a few times, it finds the schema,
displays the structure and fields, I make a few changes, upload and
amazingly the DB and data is still there after all is said and done. Works
like the BackEnd Upgrader (BEU) from Bryan Carbonnell, Reuben Cummings and
Andy Lacey but for SQL.

I didn't know it could be used as a FE user interface... I would like to
hear more.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:08 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization


Jim...anyone

...I'm just now really getting into Visio ...has anyone here integrated it
with Access in an application?
...my intent is to use it as the primary user interface with a tradeshow
booth booking app and I'm looking for anyone who's done something similar.

William Hindman
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:02 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization


> Hi Arthur:
>
> What do you think of MS Viso as a design tools?
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:16 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization
>
>
> Great concept, a normalization tool!
>
> "Yo, dumbass, these columns should be a related table, click OK to
overrule
> yo dumbass design, foo!" :-)
>
> AFAIK no one has built it yet.
>
> I'm a big fan of database-design tools such as Erwin, PowerDesigner and
(my
> fave lately) DeZign, which costs 1/10 of the price of the aforementioned
and
> delivers almost all their functionality. Said tools can inhale a db and
turn
> it into a model and let you remodel it and then exhale a db to a list of
> targets, automatically converting data types etc. You can inhale Access
and
> exhale MySQL if that's what you want, or Oracle or DB2 or MS-SQL or
Sybase.
>
> When I work on a new project, I spend a lot of time in DeZign before
writing
> a line of code. When I work on an existing project, first thing I do is
> import it into DeZign. It vaguely resembles the Access Relationships
window
> but offers many more benefits, most notably Domains.
>
> (I own no shares in this company; I'm just a satisfied user.)
>
> Back to your question. If the db Admins have not granted her sufficient
> privs to export definitions then there is no simple way around it. She is
> asking either for hacker tools or for increased privs.
>
> Secondly, why export table definitions to Excel? Why not simple ascii
files
> that you can run in QA to rebuild structures?
>
> Arthur
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gale Perez
> Sent: May 8, 2003 6:46 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Access Normalization
>
>
> Hello!
>
> I haven't posted for quite a while (have been working
> in Oracle, am now doing project management and working
> on some Access tracking DBs).  It's nice to be back
> and see familiar names :)
>
> Is there a way to export Access table definitions into
> Excel or into a normalization tool (we're using
> Brackets)?  I'm asking on someone else's behalf and
> she has tried Export but gets the message that she
> doesn't have permissions (it's not a secured
> database).  Can you access the data dictionary with
> SQL statements?
>
> Thank you for any assistance,
> Gale
>
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri May  9 16:48:41 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 14:48:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Anyone using  the Excel-L list?
References: <007d01c31626$225e2770$4814a8c0@Comtech.Comtechpst.com>
Message-ID: <3EBC2239.9030408@shaw.ca>

Check the archives at
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/excel-l.html
on right hand pane there is subscription info

Ron Moore wrote:

>Mark, I have used this list for some time.  Very active - 4 posts so far
>today.
>
>Ron
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MarkH
>Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:11 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] OT - Anyone using the Excel-L list?
>
>
>Hi All
>
>Sorry for the OT post. I subscribed to the Excel-L list a couple of
>wekes ago (saw it mentioned in someone else post) and have so far seen
>not a single email. I have checkec my subscription options and it looks
>fine. Is it just a very quiet list?
>
>Cheers
>
>Mark
>
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From scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com  Fri May  9 16:54:02 2003
From: scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com (Steve Capistrant)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 16:54:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
In-Reply-To: <007801c3166f$23d6b380$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>
Message-ID: <MJEFLPNLACJJDBCHNLAGKEPPCCAA.scapistrant@symphonyinfo.com>

I love Visio.  Not so much for the design stage (its faster to mock up in
Access), but to publish the data model to customers.  You can export your
Access data model to Visio really easily and then arrange the tables using
as much real estate as you want.  Then bring your file to Kinko's and have
them print a 2'x3' poster of your data model.  The power users within the
customer's organization are in heaven (assuming you provide them with some
method of being exposed to the data for custom querying and reporting.).

Steve Capistrant
scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com
Phone: 612-333-1311
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www.symphonyinfo.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:08 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization


Jim...anyone

...I'm just now really getting into Visio ...has anyone here integrated it
with Access in an application?
...my intent is to use it as the primary user interface with a tradeshow
booth booking app and I'm looking for anyone who's done something similar.

William Hindman
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:02 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization


> Hi Arthur:
>
> What do you think of MS Viso as a design tools?
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:16 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization
>
>
> Great concept, a normalization tool!
>
> "Yo, dumbass, these columns should be a related table, click OK to
overrule
> yo dumbass design, foo!" :-)
>
> AFAIK no one has built it yet.
>
> I'm a big fan of database-design tools such as Erwin, PowerDesigner and
(my
> fave lately) DeZign, which costs 1/10 of the price of the aforementioned
and
> delivers almost all their functionality. Said tools can inhale a db and
turn
> it into a model and let you remodel it and then exhale a db to a list of
> targets, automatically converting data types etc. You can inhale Access
and
> exhale MySQL if that's what you want, or Oracle or DB2 or MS-SQL or
Sybase.
>
> When I work on a new project, I spend a lot of time in DeZign before
writing
> a line of code. When I work on an existing project, first thing I do is
> import it into DeZign. It vaguely resembles the Access Relationships
window
> but offers many more benefits, most notably Domains.
>
> (I own no shares in this company; I'm just a satisfied user.)
>
> Back to your question. If the db Admins have not granted her sufficient
> privs to export definitions then there is no simple way around it. She is
> asking either for hacker tools or for increased privs.
>
> Secondly, why export table definitions to Excel? Why not simple ascii
files
> that you can run in QA to rebuild structures?
>
> Arthur
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gale Perez
> Sent: May 8, 2003 6:46 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Access Normalization
>
>
> Hello!
>
> I haven't posted for quite a while (have been working
> in Oracle, am now doing project management and working
> on some Access tracking DBs).  It's nice to be back
> and see familiar names :)
>
> Is there a way to export Access table definitions into
> Excel or into a normalization tool (we're using
> Brackets)?  I'm asking on someone else's behalf and
> she has tried Export but gets the message that she
> doesn't have permissions (it's not a secured
> database).  Can you access the data dictionary with
> SQL statements?
>
> Thank you for any assistance,
> Gale
>
>
> __________________________________
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> The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com
> _______________________________________________
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May  9 16:54:53 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 14:54:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F33@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I've maintained network data using Visio in the past, if that applies.
Be careful about numeric values though because unless you do a lot of
careful tweaking to your Visio FE shapes' properties, you'll wind up
with doubles in the BE, whether that's what you wanted or not.  As you
might expect, doubles aren't terribly useful for MAC addresses, etc..
<G>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 1:33 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization


William:

Not I, but I have used it on a MS SQL a few times, it finds the schema,
displays the structure and fields, I make a few changes, upload and
amazingly the DB and data is still there after all is said and done.
Works like the BackEnd Upgrader (BEU) from Bryan Carbonnell, Reuben
Cummings and Andy Lacey but for SQL.

I didn't know it could be used as a FE user interface... I would like to
hear more.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:08 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization


Jim...anyone

...I'm just now really getting into Visio ...has anyone here integrated
it with Access in an application? ...my intent is to use it as the
primary user interface with a tradeshow booth booking app and I'm
looking for anyone who's done something similar.

William Hindman
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:02 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization


> Hi Arthur:
>
> What do you think of MS Viso as a design tools?
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur 
> Fuller
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:16 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization
>
>
> Great concept, a normalization tool!
>
> "Yo, dumbass, these columns should be a related table, click OK to
overrule
> yo dumbass design, foo!" :-)
>
> AFAIK no one has built it yet.
>
> I'm a big fan of database-design tools such as Erwin, PowerDesigner 
> and
(my
> fave lately) DeZign, which costs 1/10 of the price of the 
> aforementioned
and
> delivers almost all their functionality. Said tools can inhale a db 
> and
turn
> it into a model and let you remodel it and then exhale a db to a list 
> of targets, automatically converting data types etc. You can inhale 
> Access
and
> exhale MySQL if that's what you want, or Oracle or DB2 or MS-SQL or
Sybase.
>
> When I work on a new project, I spend a lot of time in DeZign before
writing
> a line of code. When I work on an existing project, first thing I do 
> is import it into DeZign. It vaguely resembles the Access 
> Relationships
window
> but offers many more benefits, most notably Domains.
>
> (I own no shares in this company; I'm just a satisfied user.)
>
> Back to your question. If the db Admins have not granted her 
> sufficient privs to export definitions then there is no simple way 
> around it. She is asking either for hacker tools or for increased 
> privs.
>
> Secondly, why export table definitions to Excel? Why not simple ascii
files
> that you can run in QA to rebuild structures?
>
> Arthur
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gale Perez
> Sent: May 8, 2003 6:46 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Access Normalization
>
>
> Hello!
>
> I haven't posted for quite a while (have been working
> in Oracle, am now doing project management and working
> on some Access tracking DBs).  It's nice to be back
> and see familiar names :)
>
> Is there a way to export Access table definitions into
> Excel or into a normalization tool (we're using
> Brackets)?  I'm asking on someone else's behalf and
> she has tried Export but gets the message that she
> doesn't have permissions (it's not a secured
> database).  Can you access the data dictionary with
> SQL statements?
>
> Thank you for any assistance,
> Gale
>
>
> __________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com

> _______________________________________________
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May  9 16:56:37 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 14:56:37 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F34@infoserver01.infostat.local>

It's a secret we've been keeping from you, Susan.  You have to be older
before we explain it.  <VBG>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 1:15 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Ok, what the he*l is a jit subform?

Susan H.


> ...AccessD rite of passage ...until you've been on the wrong end of of

> a
JC
> rant, you can't really belong :)
>
> ...years back, a raw newbie to AccessD, I dared to mention that I did 
> my j-i-t subforms just a bit differently ...two weeks later and a 
> masters degree in Access intricacies later, we called a truce out of 
> sheer exhaustion ...not ours of course but everyone else on the list 
> ...but I
did
> buy his JIT sample and used it from then on :)))
>


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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Fri May  9 16:54:45 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 07:24:45 +0930
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A047@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

Sorry guys I was away yesterday.

If you are using Access as the backend and you are adding new records
through ADO code, then you can use @@Identity to return the autonumber
created with *that particular connection*.  

Try to think of it that you are actally creating a *new instance of a
connection* every time a record is entered (even though you are probably
using 'CurrentProject.Connection'). Therefore because this is a connection
on its own, in a multi-user database, where multiple users are adding
records, you are still *guaranteed* to return the autonumber of the record
created for *that specific user*.

That it the advantage of @@Idenitiy compared to other methods. It is tied in
to that particular connection (or statement) that created the record.
Whereas if you tried to use something like SELECT MAX(ID) to get the last
created record, then there is a danger that another record was created in
the meantime by another user.

Stuart, I am 99% certain that @@Idenity operates on that particulart
instance of a connection and that you will never get the autonumber from
another users' INSERT.  I'm happy for you to proove me wrong though!!  In
fact, it wouldn't be to hard to test, simply need to step through the code
just before executing the @@Identity statement and inserting a record
manually into the table, then seeing what @@IDentity returns.  Might go test
it myself!!

Quick reminder that I don't think @@Identity will work in Access 97 as it
was only introduced in Jet4.0 to satisfy us web coders!.  Not sre if this
has been posted but this is the KB article (watch wrapping):
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:
80/support/kb/articles/Q232/1/44.ASP&NoWebContent=1

Also, in an earlier post I mentioned 'transaction' which was a poor choice
of phrase. I was just trying to explain that each 'connection' was unique
for that user.

Hope this helps!
Cheers,
Andrew



-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg]
Sent: Friday, 9 May 2003 9:22 PM
To: Gustav Brock; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


In Jet 4 it's on a per connection basis. In SQL Server, it's a system 
variable. So it depends on whether you Backend is  Access or SQL 
Server.

If you are using an Acces BE with Jet 4 and only updating one table 
with the connection, it's safe - if it's an SQL Server BE or the same 
connection updates multiple tables in an Acces BE,  it's not.


On 9 May 2003 at 10:35, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi Andrew and Stuart et al
> 
> I'm confused!
> 
> Andrew wrote:
> 
> It is safer as  @@Identity is linked only to the connection (or
> transaction) which created the record.  
> 
> Otherwise you are risking that another user will insert a record
> in-between adding and retrieving the ID of the record added by the
> first user.
> 
> I'm not sure if that is a risk using the other methods mentioned on
> this list, however I *do* now that with @@Identity there is no risk of
> this happening.
> 
> but Stuart wrote:
> 
> > @@Identity is a system wide variable. It returns the last autonumber
> > generated by the system. You certainly can't rely on it to return a
> > particular record number in either a multi user system or in a
> > system where you are inserting into more than one table with
> > autonumbers keys in the same transaction.
> 
> So now, what to believe?
> 
> /gustav
> 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May  9 16:58:21 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 14:58:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F36@infoserver01.infostat.local>

You can also publish the schema to HTML, complete with jumps between
tables and pages.  Then they can view it in their browser.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Capistrant [mailto:scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 1:54 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization


I love Visio.  Not so much for the design stage (its faster to mock up
in Access), but to publish the data model to customers.  You can export
your Access data model to Visio really easily and then arrange the
tables using as much real estate as you want.  Then bring your file to
Kinko's and have them print a 2'x3' poster of your data model.  The
power users within the customer's organization are in heaven (assuming
you provide them with some method of being exposed to the data for
custom querying and reporting.).

Steve Capistrant
scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com
Phone: 612-333-1311
Symphony Information Services
www.symphonyinfo.com
212 3rd Ave N, Ste 404
Minneapolis, MN 55401


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:08 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization


Jim...anyone

...I'm just now really getting into Visio ...has anyone here integrated
it with Access in an application? ...my intent is to use it as the
primary user interface with a tradeshow booth booking app and I'm
looking for anyone who's done something similar.

William Hindman
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:02 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization


> Hi Arthur:
>
> What do you think of MS Viso as a design tools?
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur 
> Fuller
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:16 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization
>
>
> Great concept, a normalization tool!
>
> "Yo, dumbass, these columns should be a related table, click OK to
overrule
> yo dumbass design, foo!" :-)
>
> AFAIK no one has built it yet.
>
> I'm a big fan of database-design tools such as Erwin, PowerDesigner 
> and
(my
> fave lately) DeZign, which costs 1/10 of the price of the 
> aforementioned
and
> delivers almost all their functionality. Said tools can inhale a db 
> and
turn
> it into a model and let you remodel it and then exhale a db to a list 
> of targets, automatically converting data types etc. You can inhale 
> Access
and
> exhale MySQL if that's what you want, or Oracle or DB2 or MS-SQL or
Sybase.
>
> When I work on a new project, I spend a lot of time in DeZign before
writing
> a line of code. When I work on an existing project, first thing I do 
> is import it into DeZign. It vaguely resembles the Access 
> Relationships
window
> but offers many more benefits, most notably Domains.
>
> (I own no shares in this company; I'm just a satisfied user.)
>
> Back to your question. If the db Admins have not granted her 
> sufficient privs to export definitions then there is no simple way 
> around it. She is asking either for hacker tools or for increased 
> privs.
>
> Secondly, why export table definitions to Excel? Why not simple ascii
files
> that you can run in QA to rebuild structures?
>
> Arthur
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gale Perez
> Sent: May 8, 2003 6:46 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Access Normalization
>
>
> Hello!
>
> I haven't posted for quite a while (have been working
> in Oracle, am now doing project management and working
> on some Access tracking DBs).  It's nice to be back
> and see familiar names :)
>
> Is there a way to export Access table definitions into
> Excel or into a normalization tool (we're using
> Brackets)?  I'm asking on someone else's behalf and
> she has tried Export but gets the message that she
> doesn't have permissions (it's not a secured
> database).  Can you access the data dictionary with
> SQL statements?
>
> Thank you for any assistance,
> Gale
>
>
> __________________________________
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> The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May  9 17:04:44 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 15:04:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Normalization
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C329@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Personally, I loved version 5 (the last non-MS version), but haven't
been quite so thrilled with 2000 and 2002.  For one thing, they took the
forward engineering out of the Professional version in 2000 and moved it
to Enterprise, although Enterprise was released later and then they
wanted a full upgrade price *again* to move from Professional to
Enterprise.  At that point, I didn't bother.  I still like it for
design, although I've used other tools as well, but without the forward
engineering, you might as well use another less expensive tool.
Enterprise is just too expensive for what the product does for an Access
developer, IMHO.  However, I think it forces you to really think about
your design in ways that rapid development in Access doesn't, and for
that, I like Visio or DeZign.


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 1:03 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization


Hi Arthur:

What do you think of MS Viso as a design tools?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:16 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization


Great concept, a normalization tool!

"Yo, dumbass, these columns should be a related table, click OK to
overrule yo dumbass design, foo!" :-)

AFAIK no one has built it yet.

I'm a big fan of database-design tools such as Erwin, PowerDesigner and
(my fave lately) DeZign, which costs 1/10 of the price of the
aforementioned and delivers almost all their functionality. Said tools
can inhale a db and turn it into a model and let you remodel it and then
exhale a db to a list of targets, automatically converting data types
etc. You can inhale Access and exhale MySQL if that's what you want, or
Oracle or DB2 or MS-SQL or Sybase.

When I work on a new project, I spend a lot of time in DeZign before
writing a line of code. When I work on an existing project, first thing
I do is import it into DeZign. It vaguely resembles the Access
Relationships window but offers many more benefits, most notably
Domains.

(I own no shares in this company; I'm just a satisfied user.)

Back to your question. If the db Admins have not granted her sufficient
privs to export definitions then there is no simple way around it. She
is asking either for hacker tools or for increased privs.

Secondly, why export table definitions to Excel? Why not simple ascii
files that you can run in QA to rebuild structures?

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gale Perez
Sent: May 8, 2003 6:46 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access Normalization


Hello!

I haven't posted for quite a while (have been working
in Oracle, am now doing project management and working
on some Access tracking DBs).  It's nice to be back
and see familiar names :)

Is there a way to export Access table definitions into
Excel or into a normalization tool (we're using
Brackets)?  I'm asking on someone else's behalf and
she has tried Export but gets the message that she
doesn't have permissions (it's not a secured
database).  Can you access the data dictionary with
SQL statements?

Thank you for any assistance,
Gale


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May  9 17:05:58 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 15:05:58 -0700
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F38@infoserver01.infostat.local>

And now that same helpful group has moved on to MSDN, TechNet and the
MSKB!

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 12:53 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


Sorry William,

I do not claim to be smart enough to know how to hide every possible way
a mere human can think of to try to look up something in the help files.
I would probably have overlooked some logical path into the help files,
and thus they would be somewhat helpful.  <grin>  Nor do I think that JC
could have done it either.  <VBG> They clearly are the handiwork of a
satanic cult, if not of Satan himself!

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 15:36
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery
Importance: Low


...its ok Charles ...we all know you and JC co-wrote the A2k/XP Help
Files
:))))

William Hindman ...take that!!!!!! :))))))

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wortz, Charles" <CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:07 PM
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


> Pamela,
>
> Do you know for a fact that William is not both? <grin>
>
> Charles Wortz
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PBudge at cbsol.com [mailto:PBudge at cbsol.com]
> Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 15:02
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
> Importance: Low
>
>
>
> He said DEMENTED, not DENSE!!!!  ;-))))))))))))))))))))))
>
> Pamela G. Budge
> PBudge at cbsol.com
> Creative Business Solutions
>
>
>
>
>                       "William Hindman"
>
>                       <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>        To:
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
>                       Sent by:                         cc:
>
>                       accessd-bounces at databasea        Subject:  Re:
> Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
>
>                       dvisors.com
>
>
>
>
>
>                       05/09/2003 02:44 PM
>
>                       Please respond to accessd
>
>
>
>
> ...jest 'cause I think you rite lik 'n ms injuneer ain't not no reasun

> to go a'callin' me names, eh! :)
>
> William Hindman
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri May  9 17:25:14 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 15:25:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Downgrading to ODE 2000
References: <000701c31654$d2562230$0400000a@PASCAL>
Message-ID: <3EBC2ACA.60106@shaw.ca>

They changed the option, you can only get a downgrade if you have a 
minimum 5 unit volume license.
http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/downloads/downgrade_rights.doc
http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/downloads/downgrade_chart.doc
or search for downgrade
http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/resources/volbrief.asp

 That leaves you with 2 options.

1. Buy from a reseller. They usually pick up multiple copies from
governments or bankruptcies (a lot of dot com's out there)
Try places like
http://www.viosoftware.com
 Office 2000 pro around $400 US or developers edition $ 600
Buying off E-Bay may get you lower prices but you may get a CD and
directions to a warez site for a key hack.

2. MS Part #: 534-02125  -  MSDN Universal 7.0 Subscription

The MSDN Universal includes nearly $48,000 worth of software. Developer's
versions of Office 97/2000/XP, Windows 95/98/2000/XP, SQL Server 7.0/2000,
Windows Server, .NET beta/2000, Exchange Server 5.5/2000, BizTalk Server,
Project 2002 and Visio 2002 are included (Plus much more!). You will
receive 12 months of Subscriptions services including monthly and beta
shipments, access to the Subscriber's web site, 4 technical support
incidents,
 Price for Professional edition is around $1100 and with a $300 mail
rebate on DVD purchase.
You may have to download old versions of office from MSDN site as ISO
images and burn to a CD.


Mark Whittinghill wrote:

>Does M$ have a downgrade option to get ODE 2000 if you have the XP version?
>I looked on the site and can't figure out the legalese.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark Whittinghill
>Symphony Information Services
>612-333-1311
>mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
>
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Fri May  9 17:54:54 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 18:54:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Downgrading to ODE 2000
References: <000701c31654$d2562230$0400000a@PASCAL> <3EBC2ACA.60106@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <00b801c3167e$019ea390$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

...re ebay buys ...I've never had a bad transaction on ebay and I've got a
number of software bargains there ...Visio 2002 Pro for $39 for instance,
fully registered with MS ...ODEs ...and MSDN subs for $850 which is a
tremendous bargain ...but I am careful to buy only from sellers with high
feedback ratings and always ask any questions before bidding ...like any
marketplace, if you're looking for a bargain you have to be very careful
what you're buying ...but that caution aside, ebay has saved me one hell of
a lot of money ...as well as made me some ...a client recently upgraded to
WinXP Pro using a CD and licenses I bought through ebay ...he saved a bunch
and I did more than ok on the deal ...and the Windows holo and licenses were
all legal. :)

William Hindman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Downgrading to ODE 2000


> They changed the option, you can only get a downgrade if you have a
> minimum 5 unit volume license.
> http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/downloads/downgrade_rights.doc
> http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/downloads/downgrade_chart.doc
> or search for downgrade
> http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/resources/volbrief.asp
>
>  That leaves you with 2 options.
>
> 1. Buy from a reseller. They usually pick up multiple copies from
> governments or bankruptcies (a lot of dot com's out there)
> Try places like
> http://www.viosoftware.com
>  Office 2000 pro around $400 US or developers edition $ 600
> Buying off E-Bay may get you lower prices but you may get a CD and
> directions to a warez site for a key hack.
>
> 2. MS Part #: 534-02125  -  MSDN Universal 7.0 Subscription
>
> The MSDN Universal includes nearly $48,000 worth of software. Developer's
> versions of Office 97/2000/XP, Windows 95/98/2000/XP, SQL Server 7.0/2000,
> Windows Server, .NET beta/2000, Exchange Server 5.5/2000, BizTalk Server,
> Project 2002 and Visio 2002 are included (Plus much more!). You will
> receive 12 months of Subscriptions services including monthly and beta
> shipments, access to the Subscriber's web site, 4 technical support
> incidents,
>  Price for Professional edition is around $1100 and with a $300 mail
> rebate on DVD purchase.
> You may have to download old versions of office from MSDN site as ISO
> images and burn to a CD.
>
>
> Mark Whittinghill wrote:
>
> >Does M$ have a downgrade option to get ODE 2000 if you have the XP
version?
> >I looked on the site and can't figure out the legalese.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Mark Whittinghill
> >Symphony Information Services
> >612-333-1311
> >mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
> >
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> >
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>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  9 17:57:36 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 17:57:36 -0500 
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subque
	ry
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B35@main2.marlow.com>

Snotty nosed nephew??????

Good thing you're ducking for cover....just out of curiousity, how did you
know I have sinus problems! <grin> (Oh ya, I live in Texas, that sorta gives
it away!<grin>)

By the way, I'm soon to be on the 'author' list....I have three articles in
the loop with Susan (and I am going to be working on the fourth this
weekend....she's gonna have fun with that one! <grin>).  Of course, I have
NO idea when they'll be published.....

Hope you're having a good one Uncle JC!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:20 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


Ron,

I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,
faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth be
known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy, I still
have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".

I remember my first job in Access.  I came from programming, but it wasn't
event driven.  I was sooooo lost.  I sold myself for well under 1/2 my
normal wage because the company was willing to let me read and learn what I
had to learn to do their database.  4 hours reading, 6-8 hours working, 6
days a week (the company's old db was dying a painful death).  This was 1994
and there was no (widely available) internet, in fact not even an Access
Users Group.  I was one of the founding members and board member of the San
Diego Access Users Group and loved having someplace I could go once a month
to talk about Access.  MAN, it was LONELY out there back then.

This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan, demented
cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well you get the
picture.  <ducking REAL low>

Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:04 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of dogs,
and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly though, I
agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think
concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and new
territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power programming'
approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever offer
(partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original posts).
I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
venerable list members.
Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!

Ron



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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  9 17:58:41 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 17:58:41 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters:
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B36@main2.marlow.com>

SIX??? Did someone forget to turn on referential integrity on?  <grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
[mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:31 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters:


Feel free folks to throw any ideas for articles my way with appropriate 
examples. I aint proud. I got 6 kids to feed.

Martin
(VBG)


Quoting Ron Moore <rmoore at comtechpst.com>:

> My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of
> dogs,
> and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly though,
> I
> agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think
> concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and
> new
> territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power
> programming'
> approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever
> offer
> (partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original
> posts).
> I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
> venerable list members.
> Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!
> 
> Ron
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:42 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
> 
> 
> Now Susan, no one was saying you were stealing solutions.  I was just
> joking
> in fact, but from your reaction...
> 
> ;-)
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan
> Harkins
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:27 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
> 
> 
> FWIW, I don't think anyone on this list can point to one of my articles
> and
> say, "that's my solution and you stole it." :)
> 
> I learn lots on this list -- a ton -- always something new. Generally,
> solutions don't write up well -- they are way too specific and
> customized.
> Occasionally, I can turn one into a generic, more universal article.
> Most
> likely, these solutions work their way into my own stuff -- making it
> better
> and more efficient -- just like everyone else's. We pick stuff up, we
> forget
> it, and then somewhere down the road, we're using it and we don't even
> remember where we learned it -- except we figure it must've been this
> list.
> 
> When I want to write about a very specific solution, I contact the
> person
> and make a deal. You will find many of my bylines have a co-author and
> many
> of them are from this list.
> 
> Lots of brilliant people here but not everything works as an article.
> The
> more specific a solution, the less appeal it has as an article. The
> solution
> must be something that will be of interest to the average reader. For
> ever 5
> "topic" I pitch, the publishers buy 1. :)
> 
> Susan H.
> 
> 
> 
> > Naw, it's more likely that people like Susan, Martin and Arthur all
> write
> > for these newsletters.  They are list members, and when they see a
> good
> > topic, they write an article.  Since an article can only be sold to
> a
> single
> > newsletter, they all get together and discuss who's gonna write up the
> tip
> > for which newsletter.  Susan sells to one, Martin to another, Arthur
> to
> > another.  Etc.
> >
> > No law says they each can't write on the same SUBJECT but for a
> different
> > newsletter.
> >
> > And if they didn't before, they will now.  ;-)
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John
> Bartow
> > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 12:49 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> >
> >
> > I've often thought that too. I subscribe to a number of
> > newsletters/magazines and they do tend to have similar topics in them.
> The
> > Q&A/Tips sections often reflect items that have popped up on various
> lists.
> >
> > JB
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz,
> Charles
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:04 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> > >
> > >
> > > Charlotte,
> > >
> > > More likely that the editors are lurkers on lists such as this. 
> When
> > > they see an interesting topic come up on the lists, they each go
> and
> > > commission an article from one of writers in their stables.  Thus,
> > > several months later the mags have similar articles.  If my
> hypothesis
> > > is true, then we should see some articles on []. subqueries coming
> out
> > > in a few months.
> > >
> > > Charles Wortz
> > > Software Development Division
> > > Texas Education Agency
> > > 1701 N. Congress Ave
> > > Austin, TX 78701-1494
> > > 512-463-9493
> > > CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri May  9 17:58:55 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 15:58:55 -0700
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
References: <Law12-F11285c9HZTa90000b672@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3EBC32AF.3010004@shaw.ca>

I have a lot of problems with fiends ...err. fields in my databases

Don Elliker wrote:

> that's what all you satanic cabalists say! And it goes a long way 
> towards explaining some of the occurances in my dbs (just to keep it 
> on topic)
>
> _d
>
> "Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them."
>
> >From: "Wortz, Charles" >Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com >To: 
> >Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line 
> subquery >Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 14:21:40 -0500 > >Cabals are not 
> always satanic! However, I do not know if that is true >of all members 
> of this list. > >Charles Wortz >Software Development Division >Texas 
> Education Agency >1701 N. Congress Ave >Austin, TX 78701-1494 
> >512-463-9493 >CWortz at tea.state.tx.us > >-----Original Message----- 
> >From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] >Sent: Friday 2003 
> May 09 14:14 >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com >Subject: RE: Subjects 
> in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line >subquery > > > >I was 
> gonna get cabal but I decided on satanlite instead >_d > > > > > 
> >"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." > 
> >From: "Wortz, Charles" > >Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > 
> >To: > >Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL 
> in-line >subquery > >Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 12:58:25 -0500 > > > >Wrong 
> John! It's JC that revealed the secrets of the cabal. > > > >Charles 
> Wortz > >-----Original Message----- > >From: The Cabal 
> [mailto:john at winhaven.net] > >Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 12:53 > >To: 
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com > >Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: 
> was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line > >subquery > > > > > >unsubscribe 
> AccessD John Bartow "the troublemaker" > >unsubscribe DevAccess John 
> Bartow "the troublemaker" unsubscribe Access > > >Unlimited John 
> Bartow "the troublemaker" unsubscribe Inside Microsoft > >Access John 
> Bartow "the troublemaker" unsubscribe LangaList John Bartow > > >"the 
> troublemaker" unsubscribe Access Developer News John Bartow "the > 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  9 18:04:31 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 18:04:31 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B37@main2.marlow.com>

Ya, I think it's some sort of initiation.  I just know that Darren Dick got
a hold of me one day, which I am still blushing from his email....he
mentioned this list, and the next thing I know, I'm in a heated discussion
over bound/unbound forms with a 'supposed' Access expert.  (Had to get you
back for the snotty nosed cousin comment JC <grin>)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Moore [mailto:rmoore at comtechpst.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Martin,  hasn't everyone who came on this list had a long argument with JC?
Are you saying we only begin to learn after we've had said long argument?


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Yip. When I came on tho this list (lot of years now) and had a long argument
with JC I started to learn. Today I have two books published, numerous
articles and I am currrently working for the Microsoft Office Team. None of
this would have been possible without the likes of John Colby, William,
Rocky,
Arthur, Mike Gunderloy and the other great developers on this list. Not
forgetting Susuan Harkins. The other day I got an email that was addressed
to
myself and three others. I sat and looked at it but for this list and the
ideas, arguments and teaching that has taken place I would not be here at
all.

But outside of that its the friends I have made here that mean more than
anything else.

I have to name John Colby and Susan. Two people who give freely of their
time
and expertise to others. Susan in particular has opened so many doors for me
in the Database world. Arthur Fuller as well who I think does more of list
than he does on.

Martin

Quoting John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:

> Ron,
>
> I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,
> faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth
> be
> known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy, I
> still
> have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".
>
> I remember my first job in Access.  I came from programming, but it
> wasn't
> event driven.  I was sooooo lost.  I sold myself for well under 1/2 my
> normal wage because the company was willing to let me read and learn
> what I
> had to learn to do their database.  4 hours reading, 6-8 hours working,
> 6
> days a week (the company's old db was dying a painful death).  This was
> 1994
> and there was no (widely available) internet, in fact not even an
> Access
> Users Group.  I was one of the founding members and board member of the
> San
> Diego Access Users Group and loved having someplace I could go once a
> month
> to talk about Access.  MAN, it was LONELY out there back then.
>
> This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan,
> demented
> cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well you get
> the
> picture.  <ducking REAL low>
>
> Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:04 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
>
>
> My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of
> dogs,
> and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly though,
> I
> agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think
> concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and
> new
> territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power
> programming'
> approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever
> offer
> (partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original
> posts).
> I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
> venerable list members.
> Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  9 18:07:30 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 18:07:30 -0500 
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subque
	ry
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B38@main2.marlow.com>

That is SO below the belt it's not even funny.  Let's keep things civil!
<grin>....

I will say that I owe a case of beer to whoever wrote the Access 97 help
files........for the last two years I have gotten pretty good at using the
MSDN (3 CD version I installed from Office 2k Dev Edition).  It has answered
almost all of my questions, but I still, to this day, will look for stuff in
97's help files...even if it's not Access related...just code related, if I
haven't found the answer in a few minutes....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:36 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


...its ok Charles ...we all know you and JC co-wrote the A2k/XP Help Files
:))))

William Hindman ...take that!!!!!! :))))))

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wortz, Charles" <CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:07 PM
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


> Pamela,
>
> Do you know for a fact that William is not both? <grin>
>
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PBudge at cbsol.com [mailto:PBudge at cbsol.com]
> Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 15:02
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
> Importance: Low
>
>
>
> He said DEMENTED, not DENSE!!!!  ;-))))))))))))))))))))))
>
> Pamela G. Budge
> PBudge at cbsol.com
> Creative Business Solutions
>
>
>
>
>                       "William Hindman"
>
>                       <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>        To:
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
>                       Sent by:                         cc:
>
>                       accessd-bounces at databasea        Subject:  Re:
> Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
>
>                       dvisors.com
>
>
>
>
>
>                       05/09/2003 02:44 PM
>
>                       Please respond to accessd
>
>
>
>
> ...jest 'cause I think you rite lik 'n ms injuneer ain't not no reasun
> to go a'callin' me names, eh! :)
>
> William Hindman
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:20 PM
> Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
>
>
> > Ron,
> >
> > I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,
>
> > faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth
> > be known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy,
>
> > I
> still
> > have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".
> >
> <snip big chunk of his sad story>
> </snip>
> > This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan,
> demented
> > cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well you get
> > the picture.  <ducking REAL low>
> >
> > Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May  9 18:10:14 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 19:10:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
In-Reply-To: <012201c3166a$c05f95a0$4814a8c0@Comtech.Comtechpst.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEEGDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Isn't that the basis of "survival of the fittest" and all that?  We survive
conflict, learn from it, and become better fit to...

I know a couple of developers who took their ball and went home (Back to
Access-L if I recall) after a run-in with me.  Others just kicked sand in my
face n stayed on (Drew for example).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Martin,  hasn't everyone who came on this list had a long argument with JC?
Are you saying we only begin to learn after we've had said long argument?


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Yip. When I came on tho this list (lot of years now) and had a long argument
with JC I started to learn. Today I have two books published, numerous
articles and I am currrently working for the Microsoft Office Team. None of
this would have been possible without the likes of John Colby, William,
Rocky,
Arthur, Mike Gunderloy and the other great developers on this list. Not
forgetting Susuan Harkins. The other day I got an email that was addressed
to
myself and three others. I sat and looked at it but for this list and the
ideas, arguments and teaching that has taken place I would not be here at
all.

But outside of that its the friends I have made here that mean more than
anything else.

I have to name John Colby and Susan. Two people who give freely of their
time
and expertise to others. Susan in particular has opened so many doors for me
in the Database world. Arthur Fuller as well who I think does more of list
than he does on.

Martin

Quoting John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:

> Ron,
>
> I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,
> faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth
> be
> known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy, I
> still
> have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".
>
> I remember my first job in Access.  I came from programming, but it
> wasn't
> event driven.  I was sooooo lost.  I sold myself for well under 1/2 my
> normal wage because the company was willing to let me read and learn
> what I
> had to learn to do their database.  4 hours reading, 6-8 hours working,
> 6
> days a week (the company's old db was dying a painful death).  This was
> 1994
> and there was no (widely available) internet, in fact not even an
> Access
> Users Group.  I was one of the founding members and board member of the
> San
> Diego Access Users Group and loved having someplace I could go once a
> month
> to talk about Access.  MAN, it was LONELY out there back then.
>
> This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan,
> demented
> cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well you get
> the
> picture.  <ducking REAL low>
>
> Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:04 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
>
>
> My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of
> dogs,
> and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly though,
> I
> agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think
> concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and
> new
> territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power
> programming'
> approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever
> offer
> (partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original
> posts).
> I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
> venerable list members.
> Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

_______________________________________________
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AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com




From harkins at iglou.com  Fri May  9 18:09:24 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 19:09:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F34@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <002f01c31680$28f05590$ebe6ffcc@SusanOne>

OK Charlotte... I'm putting on my butt-kicking boots! ;) 

Rabbit


> It's a secret we've been keeping from you, Susan.  You have to be older
> before we explain it.  <VBG>



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May  9 18:12:36 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 19:12:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
In-Reply-To: <003c01c3166c$4ff76c00$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEEGDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

And years later, I had a REAL reason to do JIT his way.  Only once so far...

;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:48 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


...AccessD rite of passage ...until you've been on the wrong end of of a JC
rant, you can't really belong :)

...years back, a raw newbie to AccessD, I dared to mention that I did my
j-i-t subforms just a bit differently ...two weeks later and a masters
degree in Access intricacies later, we called a truce out of sheer
exhaustion ...not ours of course but everyone else on the list ...but I did
buy his JIT sample and used it from then on :)))

William Hindman

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Moore" <rmoore at comtechpst.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:37 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


> Martin,  hasn't everyone who came on this list had a long argument with
JC?
> Are you saying we only begin to learn after we've had said long argument?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:39 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
>
>
> Yip. When I came on tho this list (lot of years now) and had a long
argument
> with JC I started to learn. Today I have two books published, numerous
> articles and I am currrently working for the Microsoft Office Team. None
of
> this would have been possible without the likes of John Colby, William,
> Rocky,
> Arthur, Mike Gunderloy and the other great developers on this list. Not
> forgetting Susuan Harkins. The other day I got an email that was addressed
> to
> myself and three others. I sat and looked at it but for this list and the
> ideas, arguments and teaching that has taken place I would not be here at
> all.
>
> But outside of that its the friends I have made here that mean more than
> anything else.
>
> I have to name John Colby and Susan. Two people who give freely of their
> time
> and expertise to others. Susan in particular has opened so many doors for
me
> in the Database world. Arthur Fuller as well who I think does more of list
> than he does on.
>
> Martin
>
> Quoting John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
>
> > Ron,
> >
> > I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,
> > faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth
> > be
> > known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy, I
> > still
> > have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".
> >
> > I remember my first job in Access.  I came from programming, but it
> > wasn't
> > event driven.  I was sooooo lost.  I sold myself for well under 1/2 my
> > normal wage because the company was willing to let me read and learn
> > what I
> > had to learn to do their database.  4 hours reading, 6-8 hours working,
> > 6
> > days a week (the company's old db was dying a painful death).  This was
> > 1994
> > and there was no (widely available) internet, in fact not even an
> > Access
> > Users Group.  I was one of the founding members and board member of the
> > San
> > Diego Access Users Group and loved having someplace I could go once a
> > month
> > to talk about Access.  MAN, it was LONELY out there back then.
> >
> > This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan,
> > demented
> > cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well you get
> > the
> > picture.  <ducking REAL low>
> >
> > Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
> > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:04 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> > subquery
> >
> >
> > My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of
> > dogs,
> > and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly though,
> > I
> > agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think
> > concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and
> > new
> > territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power
> > programming'
> > approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever
> > offer
> > (partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original
> > posts).
> > I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
> > venerable list members.
> > Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!
> >
> > Ron
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  9 18:16:55 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 18:16:55 -0500 
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subque
	ry
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B3A@main2.marlow.com>

Actually, it's pretty easy.  Just use a JOIN with a <> instead of an =.
That prevents any relevant reference! <Grin>

Sheesh! <evilgrin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:53 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


Sorry William,

I do not claim to be smart enough to know how to hide every possible way
a mere human can think of to try to look up something in the help files.
I would probably have overlooked some logical path into the help files,
and thus they would be somewhat helpful.  <grin>  Nor do I think that JC
could have done it either.  <VBG> They clearly are the handiwork of a
satanic cult, if not of Satan himself!

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 15:36
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery
Importance: Low


...its ok Charles ...we all know you and JC co-wrote the A2k/XP Help
Files
:))))

William Hindman ...take that!!!!!! :))))))

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wortz, Charles" <CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:07 PM
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


> Pamela,
>
> Do you know for a fact that William is not both? <grin>
>
> Charles Wortz
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PBudge at cbsol.com [mailto:PBudge at cbsol.com]
> Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 15:02
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line 
> subquery
> Importance: Low
>
>
>
> He said DEMENTED, not DENSE!!!!  ;-))))))))))))))))))))))
>
> Pamela G. Budge
> PBudge at cbsol.com
> Creative Business Solutions
>
>
>
>
>                       "William Hindman"
>
>                       <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>        To:
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
>                       Sent by:                         cc:
>
>                       accessd-bounces at databasea        Subject:  Re:
> Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
>
>                       dvisors.com
>
>
>
>
>
>                       05/09/2003 02:44 PM
>
>                       Please respond to accessd
>
>
>
>
> ...jest 'cause I think you rite lik 'n ms injuneer ain't not no reasun

> to go a'callin' me names, eh! :)
>
> William Hindman
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From harkins at iglou.com  Fri May  9 18:22:23 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 19:22:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEEGDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <005501c31681$d984fef0$ebe6ffcc@SusanOne>

Sound like we need a Faceoff column in MTM :)

Susan H.


> And years later, I had a REAL reason to do JIT his way.  Only once so
far...
>



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May  9 18:24:00 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 16:24:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F3A@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Um, there's another explanation, John.  But William took offense when
the accusation was levelled at him! <G>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Isn't that the basis of "survival of the fittest" and all that?  We
survive conflict, learn from it, and become better fit to...

I know a couple of developers who took their ball and went home (Back to
Access-L if I recall) after a run-in with me.  Others just kicked sand
in my face n stayed on (Drew for example).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Martin,  hasn't everyone who came on this list had a long argument with
JC? Are you saying we only begin to learn after we've had said long
argument?


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Yip. When I came on tho this list (lot of years now) and had a long
argument with JC I started to learn. Today I have two books published,
numerous articles and I am currrently working for the Microsoft Office
Team. None of this would have been possible without the likes of John
Colby, William, Rocky, Arthur, Mike Gunderloy and the other great
developers on this list. Not forgetting Susuan Harkins. The other day I
got an email that was addressed to myself and three others. I sat and
looked at it but for this list and the ideas, arguments and teaching
that has taken place I would not be here at all.

But outside of that its the friends I have made here that mean more than
anything else.

I have to name John Colby and Susan. Two people who give freely of their
time and expertise to others. Susan in particular has opened so many
doors for me in the Database world. Arthur Fuller as well who I think
does more of list than he does on.

Martin

Quoting John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:

> Ron,
>
> I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,

> faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth 
> be known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy,

> I still
> have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".
>
> I remember my first job in Access.  I came from programming, but it 
> wasn't event driven.  I was sooooo lost.  I sold myself for well under

> 1/2 my normal wage because the company was willing to let me read and 
> learn what I
> had to learn to do their database.  4 hours reading, 6-8 hours
working,
> 6
> days a week (the company's old db was dying a painful death).  This
was
> 1994
> and there was no (widely available) internet, in fact not even an
> Access
> Users Group.  I was one of the founding members and board member of
the
> San
> Diego Access Users Group and loved having someplace I could go once a
> month
> to talk about Access.  MAN, it was LONELY out there back then.
>
> This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan, 
> demented cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well 
> you get the
> picture.  <ducking REAL low>
>
> Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:04 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line 
> subquery
>
>
> My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of

> dogs,
> and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly
though,
> I
> agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think

> concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and 
> new territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power
> programming'
> approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever
> offer
> (partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original
> posts).
> I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
> venerable list members.
> Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!
>
> Ron
>
>
>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  9 18:35:59 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 18:35:59 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B3C@main2.marlow.com>

I know it's Just In Time from a manufacturing point of view (where each
phase of a products manufacturing chain is completed just before the next
phase needs it.  Takes the slack out of a production line).  I just read
Seth's post to this, which makes sense...about linking a subform just when
it's needed....of course, that's if you use those 'bound' (yeck) subforms
(VERY BIG EVIL GRIN).

Before reading Seth's post, I just assumed it meant JC's Irreversibly
Totaled 'subforms'.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:15 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Ok, what the he*l is a jit subform?

Susan H.


> ...AccessD rite of passage ...until you've been on the wrong end of of a
JC
> rant, you can't really belong :)
>
> ...years back, a raw newbie to AccessD, I dared to mention that I did my
> j-i-t subforms just a bit differently ...two weeks later and a masters
> degree in Access intricacies later, we called a truce out of sheer
> exhaustion ...not ours of course but everyone else on the list ...but I
did
> buy his JIT sample and used it from then on :)))
>


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From jim.hale at fleetpride.com  Fri May  9 18:34:33 2003
From: jim.hale at fleetpride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 18:34:33 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Disabling Links in Excel
Message-ID: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF87305F60E91@corp-es00>

Did you try the delink tool? This is the only way to find some links. If the
link is in the spreadsheet you can also go <tools><options<formulas> and
visibly scan the spreadsheet. This will not necessarily find all links,
however whereas the tool will.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:09 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] (OT) Disabling Links in Excel


nop, doesn't work I've deleted all the named ranges but one link is still
left that I can't seem to get rid off

> Hi, Oleg
>
> Check to see if your spreadsheet has any named ranges that have
> references to out-of-book sources.  Since you're severing the ties to
> external sources, you should be able to safely delete such named ranges
> AFTER doing the Copy/Paste Special/Values routine.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Don McGillivray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:10 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] (OT) Disabling Links in Excel
>
>
> Hi Oleg
>
> Yes, I think that is what I thought of - however I'm not an Excel guru
> and others may have better advice for you.
>
> /gustav
>
>> you mean cop/paste special-values ?
>> I've done that; it get read of 4 links, but still keeps one. And there
>
>> is still that "Would you like to refresh the lnik" message which
>> management doesn't like.
>
>>> Hi Oleg
>>>
>>> If you use the workbook just for sending data with no need for
>>> formulas you can replace all formulas and links of the cells with the
>
>>> calculated values.
>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  9 18:38:14 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 18:38:14 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B3D@main2.marlow.com>

I think that is why I took on the Archives, because I want my grandchildren
to be able to look back on this List with pride! <VBG>.

By the way, everyone, I FINALLY got my domain switched to my new IP Address.
So now when you go to http://wolfwares.com, it keeps the domain name in the
Address, instead of switching it to the IP Address, which was caused by the
web redirect I had in place.  As long as SBC stays in business, and my
building doesn't burn down, it should be in good shape! <grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 6:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Isn't that the basis of "survival of the fittest" and all that?  We survive
conflict, learn from it, and become better fit to...

I know a couple of developers who took their ball and went home (Back to
Access-L if I recall) after a run-in with me.  Others just kicked sand in my
face n stayed on (Drew for example).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Martin,  hasn't everyone who came on this list had a long argument with JC?
Are you saying we only begin to learn after we've had said long argument?


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Yip. When I came on tho this list (lot of years now) and had a long argument
with JC I started to learn. Today I have two books published, numerous
articles and I am currrently working for the Microsoft Office Team. None of
this would have been possible without the likes of John Colby, William,
Rocky,
Arthur, Mike Gunderloy and the other great developers on this list. Not
forgetting Susuan Harkins. The other day I got an email that was addressed
to
myself and three others. I sat and looked at it but for this list and the
ideas, arguments and teaching that has taken place I would not be here at
all.

But outside of that its the friends I have made here that mean more than
anything else.

I have to name John Colby and Susan. Two people who give freely of their
time
and expertise to others. Susan in particular has opened so many doors for me
in the Database world. Arthur Fuller as well who I think does more of list
than he does on.

Martin

Quoting John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:

> Ron,
>
> I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,
> faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth
> be
> known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy, I
> still
> have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".
>
> I remember my first job in Access.  I came from programming, but it
> wasn't
> event driven.  I was sooooo lost.  I sold myself for well under 1/2 my
> normal wage because the company was willing to let me read and learn
> what I
> had to learn to do their database.  4 hours reading, 6-8 hours working,
> 6
> days a week (the company's old db was dying a painful death).  This was
> 1994
> and there was no (widely available) internet, in fact not even an
> Access
> Users Group.  I was one of the founding members and board member of the
> San
> Diego Access Users Group and loved having someplace I could go once a
> month
> to talk about Access.  MAN, it was LONELY out there back then.
>
> This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan,
> demented
> cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well you get
> the
> picture.  <ducking REAL low>
>
> Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:04 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
>
>
> My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of
> dogs,
> and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly though,
> I
> agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think
> concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and
> new
> territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power
> programming'
> approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever
> offer
> (partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original
> posts).
> I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
> venerable list members.
> Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!
>
> Ron
>
>
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May  9 18:41:39 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 19:41:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
In-Reply-To: <021601c31670$3858ae70$364afccc@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEEIDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Uh oh, trolling for article subjects again?

<grin>

I claim to have made up the name (for this application), but I actually
learned the technique from studying the open source for MS wizards.

The name JIT means "Just In Time" which of course comes from a manufacturing
"technique" back in the 80s.  It was all the rage.  Accepting supplies from
your supplier "just in time" to build the product.  It was designed (of
course) to keep inventories low.  Dell made it famous.

Microsoft, in their wizards, will build a main form with a single subform
control.  Then the forward and back buttons basically just cause a specific
subform to be bound to the subform control, "loading" the first subform,
unloading that and loading the second etc.  Back and forth, loading and
unloading forms as you cycle through the "steps" of the wizard.

I use bound forms, tabs, and subforms on the tabs.  I started running into
long load times for these rather complex forms.  Having seen this technique
of dynamically loading a subform into a subform control, it occurred to me
to try loading my subforms "Just in time", i.e. only when the user clicked
on the tab that had the subform on it.  The main form loads faster since it
doesn't have to load the subforms when it loads, in fact any given subform
may never load if the user never clicks on the tab that contains that
subform.

JIT "Just In Time" Subforms.

BTW, Williams technique for JIT subforms was that used by Microsoft - using
a single subform control to load all of the subforms needed on a tabbed main
form.  I use a subform control on each tab that needs a subform.  Our
"discussion" had to do with the pros and cons of each method.  My method
essentially loaded the subform the first time the user clicked on the tab,
but then kept it loaded from then on.  William's method loaded a subform
into a single tab control when the user clicked on a given tab, but unloaded
that subform and loaded a different subform when the user clicked on a
different tab.

My method prevents the user from having to suffer the load time for any
given subform the second and subsequent times the user goes to a tab.
William's causes the user to wait for the subform to load every time any
subform loads.  However, when moving through records on the main form,
William's method tends to be faster, sometimes MUCH faster.  Since his
method only ever has a single subform loaded at one time, the loading of
data for the subform is faster.  My method keeps the subforms loaded once
they load that first time.  Moving through the records on the main form is
thus slower since ALL the subforms have to load their data for each record
the main form is moved to.

I have since moved to a SysVar (System Variables) system (table) embedded in
my framework where I can set a default behaviors, but can then over-ride the
default behavior by a SysVar table in the FE.  One of the things I now to is
allow the developer to decide on a subform by subform basis (if they wish)
which method to use - load and leave loaded, or load and unload as the tab
gets / loses focus.

So... was that more than you ever wanted to know about JIT?  ;-)

If I see an article about it in the newsletters I'll know SOMEONE on this
list is watching...

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:15 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Ok, what the he*l is a jit subform?

Susan H.


> ...AccessD rite of passage ...until you've been on the wrong end of of a
JC
> rant, you can't really belong :)
>
> ...years back, a raw newbie to AccessD, I dared to mention that I did my
> j-i-t subforms just a bit differently ...two weeks later and a masters
> degree in Access intricacies later, we called a truce out of sheer
> exhaustion ...not ours of course but everyone else on the list ...but I
did
> buy his JIT sample and used it from then on :)))
>


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May  9 18:43:24 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 19:43:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
In-Reply-To: <MJEFLPNLACJJDBCHNLAGKEPPCCAA.scapistrant@symphonyinfo.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEEIDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

What a great idea!!!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steve
Capistrant
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:54 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization


I love Visio.  Not so much for the design stage (its faster to mock up in
Access), but to publish the data model to customers.  You can export your
Access data model to Visio really easily and then arrange the tables using
as much real estate as you want.  Then bring your file to Kinko's and have
them print a 2'x3' poster of your data model.  The power users within the
customer's organization are in heaven (assuming you provide them with some
method of being exposed to the data for custom querying and reporting.).

Steve Capistrant
scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com
Phone: 612-333-1311
Symphony Information Services
www.symphonyinfo.com
212 3rd Ave N, Ste 404
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:08 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization


Jim...anyone

...I'm just now really getting into Visio ...has anyone here integrated it
with Access in an application?
...my intent is to use it as the primary user interface with a tradeshow
booth booking app and I'm looking for anyone who's done something similar.

William Hindman
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:02 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization


> Hi Arthur:
>
> What do you think of MS Viso as a design tools?
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:16 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization
>
>
> Great concept, a normalization tool!
>
> "Yo, dumbass, these columns should be a related table, click OK to
overrule
> yo dumbass design, foo!" :-)
>
> AFAIK no one has built it yet.
>
> I'm a big fan of database-design tools such as Erwin, PowerDesigner and
(my
> fave lately) DeZign, which costs 1/10 of the price of the aforementioned
and
> delivers almost all their functionality. Said tools can inhale a db and
turn
> it into a model and let you remodel it and then exhale a db to a list of
> targets, automatically converting data types etc. You can inhale Access
and
> exhale MySQL if that's what you want, or Oracle or DB2 or MS-SQL or
Sybase.
>
> When I work on a new project, I spend a lot of time in DeZign before
writing
> a line of code. When I work on an existing project, first thing I do is
> import it into DeZign. It vaguely resembles the Access Relationships
window
> but offers many more benefits, most notably Domains.
>
> (I own no shares in this company; I'm just a satisfied user.)
>
> Back to your question. If the db Admins have not granted her sufficient
> privs to export definitions then there is no simple way around it. She is
> asking either for hacker tools or for increased privs.
>
> Secondly, why export table definitions to Excel? Why not simple ascii
files
> that you can run in QA to rebuild structures?
>
> Arthur
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gale Perez
> Sent: May 8, 2003 6:46 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Access Normalization
>
>
> Hello!
>
> I haven't posted for quite a while (have been working
> in Oracle, am now doing project management and working
> on some Access tracking DBs).  It's nice to be back
> and see familiar names :)
>
> Is there a way to export Access table definitions into
> Excel or into a normalization tool (we're using
> Brackets)?  I'm asking on someone else's behalf and
> she has tried Export but gets the message that she
> doesn't have permissions (it's not a secured
> database).  Can you access the data dictionary with
> SQL statements?
>
> Thank you for any assistance,
> Gale
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May  9 18:44:10 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 16:44:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F3B@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Uh, Drew?  Given your track record so far, what are the odds? <VBG>  I
wish you had picked someone besides SBC.  Now I'm going to worry about
my DSL service! <LOL>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:38 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


I think that is why I took on the Archives, because I want my
grandchildren to be able to look back on this List with pride! <VBG>.

By the way, everyone, I FINALLY got my domain switched to my new IP
Address. So now when you go to http://wolfwares.com, it keeps the domain
name in the Address, instead of switching it to the IP Address, which
was caused by the web redirect I had in place.  As long as SBC stays in
business, and my building doesn't burn down, it should be in good shape!
<grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 6:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Isn't that the basis of "survival of the fittest" and all that?  We
survive conflict, learn from it, and become better fit to...

I know a couple of developers who took their ball and went home (Back to
Access-L if I recall) after a run-in with me.  Others just kicked sand
in my face n stayed on (Drew for example).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Martin,  hasn't everyone who came on this list had a long argument with
JC? Are you saying we only begin to learn after we've had said long
argument?


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Yip. When I came on tho this list (lot of years now) and had a long
argument with JC I started to learn. Today I have two books published,
numerous articles and I am currrently working for the Microsoft Office
Team. None of this would have been possible without the likes of John
Colby, William, Rocky, Arthur, Mike Gunderloy and the other great
developers on this list. Not forgetting Susuan Harkins. The other day I
got an email that was addressed to myself and three others. I sat and
looked at it but for this list and the ideas, arguments and teaching
that has taken place I would not be here at all.

But outside of that its the friends I have made here that mean more than
anything else.

I have to name John Colby and Susan. Two people who give freely of their
time and expertise to others. Susan in particular has opened so many
doors for me in the Database world. Arthur Fuller as well who I think
does more of list than he does on.

Martin

Quoting John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:

> Ron,
>
> I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,

> faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth 
> be known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy,

> I still
> have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".
>
> I remember my first job in Access.  I came from programming, but it 
> wasn't event driven.  I was sooooo lost.  I sold myself for well under

> 1/2 my normal wage because the company was willing to let me read and 
> learn what I
> had to learn to do their database.  4 hours reading, 6-8 hours
working,
> 6
> days a week (the company's old db was dying a painful death).  This
was
> 1994
> and there was no (widely available) internet, in fact not even an
> Access
> Users Group.  I was one of the founding members and board member of
the
> San
> Diego Access Users Group and loved having someplace I could go once a
> month
> to talk about Access.  MAN, it was LONELY out there back then.
>
> This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan, 
> demented cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well 
> you get the
> picture.  <ducking REAL low>
>
> Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:04 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line 
> subquery
>
>
> My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of

> dogs,
> and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly
though,
> I
> agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think

> concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and 
> new territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power
> programming'
> approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever
> offer
> (partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original
> posts).
> I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
> venerable list members.
> Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  9 19:15:55 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 19:15:55 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B3E@main2.marlow.com>

I don't know about the odds, but I am certainly not putting money on
it...that's for sure! <grin>

As far as SBC, I didn't really have much of a choice.  I live in Mckinney,
Texas, which is just north of Dallas.  In fact, it is just barely outside
what is considered the DFW metroplex (Dallas/Fort Worth).  It's not
completely 'the back woods', but it's close.  Unfortunately, my choices
continue to get narrower.  Covad pulled out of the entire metroplex about 2
years ago, IP Communications went bankrupt, which left SBC or Internet
America.  Since Internet America (Texas based) actually sub contract SBC for
connections in my area, I'd be using SBC either way! <grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 6:44 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Uh, Drew?  Given your track record so far, what are the odds? <VBG>  I
wish you had picked someone besides SBC.  Now I'm going to worry about
my DSL service! <LOL>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:38 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


I think that is why I took on the Archives, because I want my
grandchildren to be able to look back on this List with pride! <VBG>.

By the way, everyone, I FINALLY got my domain switched to my new IP
Address. So now when you go to http://wolfwares.com, it keeps the domain
name in the Address, instead of switching it to the IP Address, which
was caused by the web redirect I had in place.  As long as SBC stays in
business, and my building doesn't burn down, it should be in good shape!
<grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 6:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Isn't that the basis of "survival of the fittest" and all that?  We
survive conflict, learn from it, and become better fit to...

I know a couple of developers who took their ball and went home (Back to
Access-L if I recall) after a run-in with me.  Others just kicked sand
in my face n stayed on (Drew for example).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Martin,  hasn't everyone who came on this list had a long argument with
JC? Are you saying we only begin to learn after we've had said long
argument?


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Yip. When I came on tho this list (lot of years now) and had a long
argument with JC I started to learn. Today I have two books published,
numerous articles and I am currrently working for the Microsoft Office
Team. None of this would have been possible without the likes of John
Colby, William, Rocky, Arthur, Mike Gunderloy and the other great
developers on this list. Not forgetting Susuan Harkins. The other day I
got an email that was addressed to myself and three others. I sat and
looked at it but for this list and the ideas, arguments and teaching
that has taken place I would not be here at all.

But outside of that its the friends I have made here that mean more than
anything else.

I have to name John Colby and Susan. Two people who give freely of their
time and expertise to others. Susan in particular has opened so many
doors for me in the Database world. Arthur Fuller as well who I think
does more of list than he does on.

Martin

Quoting John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:

> Ron,
>
> I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,

> faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth 
> be known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy,

> I still
> have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".
>
> I remember my first job in Access.  I came from programming, but it 
> wasn't event driven.  I was sooooo lost.  I sold myself for well under

> 1/2 my normal wage because the company was willing to let me read and 
> learn what I
> had to learn to do their database.  4 hours reading, 6-8 hours
working,
> 6
> days a week (the company's old db was dying a painful death).  This
was
> 1994
> and there was no (widely available) internet, in fact not even an
> Access
> Users Group.  I was one of the founding members and board member of
the
> San
> Diego Access Users Group and loved having someplace I could go once a
> month
> to talk about Access.  MAN, it was LONELY out there back then.
>
> This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan, 
> demented cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well 
> you get the
> picture.  <ducking REAL low>
>
> Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:04 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line 
> subquery
>
>
> My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of

> dogs,
> and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly
though,
> I
> agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think

> concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and 
> new territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power
> programming'
> approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever
> offer
> (partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original
> posts).
> I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
> venerable list members.
> Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May  9 19:32:35 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 20:32:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B3E@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEEMDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Ahhh you poor soul.  I get internet over my cable.  I get 4 mbit (yes, you
read correct) - BETTER than 450 KBYTES / sec transfer rate on files
(download of course) for a mere $30.  Of course I also have to take the
"Family" package which runs $40 but Mary is a TVaholic - or was before we
got Robbie.  And of course, I live way out of town, on a country road with
virtually no one else on my cable leg.  Still, I get superb bandwidth for
not a lot of money!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 8:16 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


I don't know about the odds, but I am certainly not putting money on
it...that's for sure! <grin>

As far as SBC, I didn't really have much of a choice.  I live in Mckinney,
Texas, which is just north of Dallas.  In fact, it is just barely outside
what is considered the DFW metroplex (Dallas/Fort Worth).  It's not
completely 'the back woods', but it's close.  Unfortunately, my choices
continue to get narrower.  Covad pulled out of the entire metroplex about 2
years ago, IP Communications went bankrupt, which left SBC or Internet
America.  Since Internet America (Texas based) actually sub contract SBC for
connections in my area, I'd be using SBC either way! <grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 6:44 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Uh, Drew?  Given your track record so far, what are the odds? <VBG>  I
wish you had picked someone besides SBC.  Now I'm going to worry about
my DSL service! <LOL>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:38 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


I think that is why I took on the Archives, because I want my
grandchildren to be able to look back on this List with pride! <VBG>.

By the way, everyone, I FINALLY got my domain switched to my new IP
Address. So now when you go to http://wolfwares.com, it keeps the domain
name in the Address, instead of switching it to the IP Address, which
was caused by the web redirect I had in place.  As long as SBC stays in
business, and my building doesn't burn down, it should be in good shape!
<grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 6:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Isn't that the basis of "survival of the fittest" and all that?  We
survive conflict, learn from it, and become better fit to...

I know a couple of developers who took their ball and went home (Back to
Access-L if I recall) after a run-in with me.  Others just kicked sand
in my face n stayed on (Drew for example).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Martin,  hasn't everyone who came on this list had a long argument with
JC? Are you saying we only begin to learn after we've had said long
argument?


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Yip. When I came on tho this list (lot of years now) and had a long
argument with JC I started to learn. Today I have two books published,
numerous articles and I am currrently working for the Microsoft Office
Team. None of this would have been possible without the likes of John
Colby, William, Rocky, Arthur, Mike Gunderloy and the other great
developers on this list. Not forgetting Susuan Harkins. The other day I
got an email that was addressed to myself and three others. I sat and
looked at it but for this list and the ideas, arguments and teaching
that has taken place I would not be here at all.

But outside of that its the friends I have made here that mean more than
anything else.

I have to name John Colby and Susan. Two people who give freely of their
time and expertise to others. Susan in particular has opened so many
doors for me in the Database world. Arthur Fuller as well who I think
does more of list than he does on.

Martin

Quoting John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:

> Ron,
>
> I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,

> faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth
> be known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy,

> I still
> have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".
>
> I remember my first job in Access.  I came from programming, but it
> wasn't event driven.  I was sooooo lost.  I sold myself for well under

> 1/2 my normal wage because the company was willing to let me read and
> learn what I
> had to learn to do their database.  4 hours reading, 6-8 hours
working,
> 6
> days a week (the company's old db was dying a painful death).  This
was
> 1994
> and there was no (widely available) internet, in fact not even an
> Access
> Users Group.  I was one of the founding members and board member of
the
> San
> Diego Access Users Group and loved having someplace I could go once a
> month
> to talk about Access.  MAN, it was LONELY out there back then.
>
> This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan,
> demented cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well
> you get the
> picture.  <ducking REAL low>
>
> Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:04 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
>
>
> My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of

> dogs,
> and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly
though,
> I
> agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think

> concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and
> new territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power
> programming'
> approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever
> offer
> (partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original
> posts).
> I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
> venerable list members.
> Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  9 19:43:01 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 19:43:01 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B40@main2.marlow.com>

And static IP's?

I get 1.5 meg down, with 256k up.  Also 5 static IPs (free domain routing,
etc.)

Where I am at, cable might be slow.  At my old place, broadband cable was
not available (long story).

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 7:33 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Ahhh you poor soul.  I get internet over my cable.  I get 4 mbit (yes, you
read correct) - BETTER than 450 KBYTES / sec transfer rate on files
(download of course) for a mere $30.  Of course I also have to take the
"Family" package which runs $40 but Mary is a TVaholic - or was before we
got Robbie.  And of course, I live way out of town, on a country road with
virtually no one else on my cable leg.  Still, I get superb bandwidth for
not a lot of money!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 8:16 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


I don't know about the odds, but I am certainly not putting money on
it...that's for sure! <grin>

As far as SBC, I didn't really have much of a choice.  I live in Mckinney,
Texas, which is just north of Dallas.  In fact, it is just barely outside
what is considered the DFW metroplex (Dallas/Fort Worth).  It's not
completely 'the back woods', but it's close.  Unfortunately, my choices
continue to get narrower.  Covad pulled out of the entire metroplex about 2
years ago, IP Communications went bankrupt, which left SBC or Internet
America.  Since Internet America (Texas based) actually sub contract SBC for
connections in my area, I'd be using SBC either way! <grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 6:44 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Uh, Drew?  Given your track record so far, what are the odds? <VBG>  I
wish you had picked someone besides SBC.  Now I'm going to worry about
my DSL service! <LOL>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:38 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


I think that is why I took on the Archives, because I want my
grandchildren to be able to look back on this List with pride! <VBG>.

By the way, everyone, I FINALLY got my domain switched to my new IP
Address. So now when you go to http://wolfwares.com, it keeps the domain
name in the Address, instead of switching it to the IP Address, which
was caused by the web redirect I had in place.  As long as SBC stays in
business, and my building doesn't burn down, it should be in good shape!
<grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 6:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Isn't that the basis of "survival of the fittest" and all that?  We
survive conflict, learn from it, and become better fit to...

I know a couple of developers who took their ball and went home (Back to
Access-L if I recall) after a run-in with me.  Others just kicked sand
in my face n stayed on (Drew for example).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Martin,  hasn't everyone who came on this list had a long argument with
JC? Are you saying we only begin to learn after we've had said long
argument?


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Yip. When I came on tho this list (lot of years now) and had a long
argument with JC I started to learn. Today I have two books published,
numerous articles and I am currrently working for the Microsoft Office
Team. None of this would have been possible without the likes of John
Colby, William, Rocky, Arthur, Mike Gunderloy and the other great
developers on this list. Not forgetting Susuan Harkins. The other day I
got an email that was addressed to myself and three others. I sat and
looked at it but for this list and the ideas, arguments and teaching
that has taken place I would not be here at all.

But outside of that its the friends I have made here that mean more than
anything else.

I have to name John Colby and Susan. Two people who give freely of their
time and expertise to others. Susan in particular has opened so many
doors for me in the Database world. Arthur Fuller as well who I think
does more of list than he does on.

Martin

Quoting John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:

> Ron,
>
> I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,

> faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth
> be known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy,

> I still
> have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".
>
> I remember my first job in Access.  I came from programming, but it
> wasn't event driven.  I was sooooo lost.  I sold myself for well under

> 1/2 my normal wage because the company was willing to let me read and
> learn what I
> had to learn to do their database.  4 hours reading, 6-8 hours
working,
> 6
> days a week (the company's old db was dying a painful death).  This
was
> 1994
> and there was no (widely available) internet, in fact not even an
> Access
> Users Group.  I was one of the founding members and board member of
the
> San
> Diego Access Users Group and loved having someplace I could go once a
> month
> to talk about Access.  MAN, it was LONELY out there back then.
>
> This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan,
> demented cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well
> you get the
> picture.  <ducking REAL low>
>
> Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:04 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
>
>
> My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of

> dogs,
> and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly
though,
> I
> agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think

> concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and
> new territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power
> programming'
> approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever
> offer
> (partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original
> posts).
> I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
> venerable list members.
> Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!
>
> Ron
>
>
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May  9 19:56:37 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 20:56:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B40@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEEMDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Nope, no static IPs.  If I want that it's $110 for the "business package".
You didn't say what yours is costing though.  To be honest, my cable is so
fast I haven't bothered looking at DSL.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 8:43 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


And static IP's?

I get 1.5 meg down, with 256k up.  Also 5 static IPs (free domain routing,
etc.)

Where I am at, cable might be slow.  At my old place, broadband cable was
not available (long story).

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 7:33 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Ahhh you poor soul.  I get internet over my cable.  I get 4 mbit (yes, you
read correct) - BETTER than 450 KBYTES / sec transfer rate on files
(download of course) for a mere $30.  Of course I also have to take the
"Family" package which runs $40 but Mary is a TVaholic - or was before we
got Robbie.  And of course, I live way out of town, on a country road with
virtually no one else on my cable leg.  Still, I get superb bandwidth for
not a lot of money!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 8:16 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


I don't know about the odds, but I am certainly not putting money on
it...that's for sure! <grin>

As far as SBC, I didn't really have much of a choice.  I live in Mckinney,
Texas, which is just north of Dallas.  In fact, it is just barely outside
what is considered the DFW metroplex (Dallas/Fort Worth).  It's not
completely 'the back woods', but it's close.  Unfortunately, my choices
continue to get narrower.  Covad pulled out of the entire metroplex about 2
years ago, IP Communications went bankrupt, which left SBC or Internet
America.  Since Internet America (Texas based) actually sub contract SBC for
connections in my area, I'd be using SBC either way! <grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 6:44 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Uh, Drew?  Given your track record so far, what are the odds? <VBG>  I
wish you had picked someone besides SBC.  Now I'm going to worry about
my DSL service! <LOL>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:38 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


I think that is why I took on the Archives, because I want my
grandchildren to be able to look back on this List with pride! <VBG>.

By the way, everyone, I FINALLY got my domain switched to my new IP
Address. So now when you go to http://wolfwares.com, it keeps the domain
name in the Address, instead of switching it to the IP Address, which
was caused by the web redirect I had in place.  As long as SBC stays in
business, and my building doesn't burn down, it should be in good shape!
<grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 6:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Isn't that the basis of "survival of the fittest" and all that?  We
survive conflict, learn from it, and become better fit to...

I know a couple of developers who took their ball and went home (Back to
Access-L if I recall) after a run-in with me.  Others just kicked sand
in my face n stayed on (Drew for example).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Martin,  hasn't everyone who came on this list had a long argument with
JC? Are you saying we only begin to learn after we've had said long
argument?


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Yip. When I came on tho this list (lot of years now) and had a long
argument with JC I started to learn. Today I have two books published,
numerous articles and I am currrently working for the Microsoft Office
Team. None of this would have been possible without the likes of John
Colby, William, Rocky, Arthur, Mike Gunderloy and the other great
developers on this list. Not forgetting Susuan Harkins. The other day I
got an email that was addressed to myself and three others. I sat and
looked at it but for this list and the ideas, arguments and teaching
that has taken place I would not be here at all.

But outside of that its the friends I have made here that mean more than
anything else.

I have to name John Colby and Susan. Two people who give freely of their
time and expertise to others. Susan in particular has opened so many
doors for me in the Database world. Arthur Fuller as well who I think
does more of list than he does on.

Martin

Quoting John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:

> Ron,
>
> I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,

> faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth
> be known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy,

> I still
> have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".
>
> I remember my first job in Access.  I came from programming, but it
> wasn't event driven.  I was sooooo lost.  I sold myself for well under

> 1/2 my normal wage because the company was willing to let me read and
> learn what I
> had to learn to do their database.  4 hours reading, 6-8 hours
working,
> 6
> days a week (the company's old db was dying a painful death).  This
was
> 1994
> and there was no (widely available) internet, in fact not even an
> Access
> Users Group.  I was one of the founding members and board member of
the
> San
> Diego Access Users Group and loved having someplace I could go once a
> month
> to talk about Access.  MAN, it was LONELY out there back then.
>
> This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan,
> demented cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well
> you get the
> picture.  <ducking REAL low>
>
> Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:04 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
>
>
> My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of

> dogs,
> and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly
though,
> I
> agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think

> concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and
> new territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power
> programming'
> approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever
> offer
> (partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original
> posts).
> I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
> venerable list members.
> Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!
>
> Ron
>
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri May  9 20:14:29 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 18:14:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
In-Reply-To:  <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F33@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFIECCCIAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Charlotte:

Thank you for that little tip.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:55 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization


I've maintained network data using Visio in the past, if that applies.
Be careful about numeric values though because unless you do a lot of
careful tweaking to your Visio FE shapes' properties, you'll wind up
with doubles in the BE, whether that's what you wanted or not.  As you
might expect, doubles aren't terribly useful for MAC addresses, etc..
<G>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 1:33 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization


William:

Not I, but I have used it on a MS SQL a few times, it finds the schema,
displays the structure and fields, I make a few changes, upload and
amazingly the DB and data is still there after all is said and done.
Works like the BackEnd Upgrader (BEU) from Bryan Carbonnell, Reuben
Cummings and Andy Lacey but for SQL.

I didn't know it could be used as a FE user interface... I would like to
hear more.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:08 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization


Jim...anyone

...I'm just now really getting into Visio ...has anyone here integrated
it with Access in an application? ...my intent is to use it as the
primary user interface with a tradeshow booth booking app and I'm
looking for anyone who's done something similar.

William Hindman
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:02 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization


> Hi Arthur:
>
> What do you think of MS Viso as a design tools?
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur 
> Fuller
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:16 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization
>
>
> Great concept, a normalization tool!
>
> "Yo, dumbass, these columns should be a related table, click OK to
overrule
> yo dumbass design, foo!" :-)
>
> AFAIK no one has built it yet.
>
> I'm a big fan of database-design tools such as Erwin, PowerDesigner 
> and
(my
> fave lately) DeZign, which costs 1/10 of the price of the 
> aforementioned
and
> delivers almost all their functionality. Said tools can inhale a db 
> and
turn
> it into a model and let you remodel it and then exhale a db to a list 
> of targets, automatically converting data types etc. You can inhale 
> Access
and
> exhale MySQL if that's what you want, or Oracle or DB2 or MS-SQL or
Sybase.
>
> When I work on a new project, I spend a lot of time in DeZign before
writing
> a line of code. When I work on an existing project, first thing I do 
> is import it into DeZign. It vaguely resembles the Access 
> Relationships
window
> but offers many more benefits, most notably Domains.
>
> (I own no shares in this company; I'm just a satisfied user.)
>
> Back to your question. If the db Admins have not granted her 
> sufficient privs to export definitions then there is no simple way 
> around it. She is asking either for hacker tools or for increased 
> privs.
>
> Secondly, why export table definitions to Excel? Why not simple ascii
files
> that you can run in QA to rebuild structures?
>
> Arthur
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gale Perez
> Sent: May 8, 2003 6:46 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Access Normalization
>
>
> Hello!
>
> I haven't posted for quite a while (have been working
> in Oracle, am now doing project management and working
> on some Access tracking DBs).  It's nice to be back
> and see familiar names :)
>
> Is there a way to export Access table definitions into
> Excel or into a normalization tool (we're using
> Brackets)?  I'm asking on someone else's behalf and
> she has tried Export but gets the message that she
> doesn't have permissions (it's not a secured
> database).  Can you access the data dictionary with
> SQL statements?
>
> Thank you for any assistance,
> Gale
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri May  9 20:24:31 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 18:24:31 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
In-Reply-To: <MJEFLPNLACJJDBCHNLAGKEPPCCAA.scapistrant@symphonyinfo.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFKECCCIAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

It sure sounds like Visio can be a very useful tool...everyone has their own
favourite reason for using it; create user FEs, BE upgrader, Presentation
tool and some people probably using it as a design modeller. :-)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steve
Capistrant
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:54 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization


I love Visio.  Not so much for the design stage (its faster to mock up in
Access), but to publish the data model to customers.  You can export your
Access data model to Visio really easily and then arrange the tables using
as much real estate as you want.  Then bring your file to Kinko's and have
them print a 2'x3' poster of your data model.  The power users within the
customer's organization are in heaven (assuming you provide them with some
method of being exposed to the data for custom querying and reporting.).

Steve Capistrant
scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com
Phone: 612-333-1311
Symphony Information Services
www.symphonyinfo.com
212 3rd Ave N, Ste 404
Minneapolis, MN 55401


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:08 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization


Jim...anyone

...I'm just now really getting into Visio ...has anyone here integrated it
with Access in an application?
...my intent is to use it as the primary user interface with a tradeshow
booth booking app and I'm looking for anyone who's done something similar.

William Hindman
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:02 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization


> Hi Arthur:
>
> What do you think of MS Viso as a design tools?
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:16 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization
>
>
> Great concept, a normalization tool!
>
> "Yo, dumbass, these columns should be a related table, click OK to
overrule
> yo dumbass design, foo!" :-)
>
> AFAIK no one has built it yet.
>
> I'm a big fan of database-design tools such as Erwin, PowerDesigner and
(my
> fave lately) DeZign, which costs 1/10 of the price of the aforementioned
and
> delivers almost all their functionality. Said tools can inhale a db and
turn
> it into a model and let you remodel it and then exhale a db to a list of
> targets, automatically converting data types etc. You can inhale Access
and
> exhale MySQL if that's what you want, or Oracle or DB2 or MS-SQL or
Sybase.
>
> When I work on a new project, I spend a lot of time in DeZign before
writing
> a line of code. When I work on an existing project, first thing I do is
> import it into DeZign. It vaguely resembles the Access Relationships
window
> but offers many more benefits, most notably Domains.
>
> (I own no shares in this company; I'm just a satisfied user.)
>
> Back to your question. If the db Admins have not granted her sufficient
> privs to export definitions then there is no simple way around it. She is
> asking either for hacker tools or for increased privs.
>
> Secondly, why export table definitions to Excel? Why not simple ascii
files
> that you can run in QA to rebuild structures?
>
> Arthur
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gale Perez
> Sent: May 8, 2003 6:46 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Access Normalization
>
>
> Hello!
>
> I haven't posted for quite a while (have been working
> in Oracle, am now doing project management and working
> on some Access tracking DBs).  It's nice to be back
> and see familiar names :)
>
> Is there a way to export Access table definitions into
> Excel or into a normalization tool (we're using
> Brackets)?  I'm asking on someone else's behalf and
> she has tried Export but gets the message that she
> doesn't have permissions (it's not a secured
> database).  Can you access the data dictionary with
> SQL statements?
>
> Thank you for any assistance,
> Gale
>
>
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Fri May  9 20:25:59 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 21:25:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
References: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFIECCCIAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <001c01c31693$1d28e9d0$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

...did we ever get a dba-Visio list started? ...is there enough interest in
one to make it worthwhile?

William Hindman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 9:14 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization


> Charlotte:
>
> Thank you for that little tip.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:55 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
>
>
> I've maintained network data using Visio in the past, if that applies.
> Be careful about numeric values though because unless you do a lot of
> careful tweaking to your Visio FE shapes' properties, you'll wind up
> with doubles in the BE, whether that's what you wanted or not.  As you
> might expect, doubles aren't terribly useful for MAC addresses, etc..
> <G>
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca]
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 1:33 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
>
>
> William:
>
> Not I, but I have used it on a MS SQL a few times, it finds the schema,
> displays the structure and fields, I make a few changes, upload and
> amazingly the DB and data is still there after all is said and done.
> Works like the BackEnd Upgrader (BEU) from Bryan Carbonnell, Reuben
> Cummings and Andy Lacey but for SQL.
>
> I didn't know it could be used as a FE user interface... I would like to
> hear more.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:08 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
>
>
> Jim...anyone
>
> ...I'm just now really getting into Visio ...has anyone here integrated
> it with Access in an application? ...my intent is to use it as the
> primary user interface with a tradeshow booth booking app and I'm
> looking for anyone who's done something similar.
>
> William Hindman
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:02 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization
>
>
> > Hi Arthur:
> >
> > What do you think of MS Viso as a design tools?
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur
> > Fuller
> > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:16 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization
> >
> >
> > Great concept, a normalization tool!
> >
> > "Yo, dumbass, these columns should be a related table, click OK to
> overrule
> > yo dumbass design, foo!" :-)
> >
> > AFAIK no one has built it yet.
> >
> > I'm a big fan of database-design tools such as Erwin, PowerDesigner
> > and
> (my
> > fave lately) DeZign, which costs 1/10 of the price of the
> > aforementioned
> and
> > delivers almost all their functionality. Said tools can inhale a db
> > and
> turn
> > it into a model and let you remodel it and then exhale a db to a list
> > of targets, automatically converting data types etc. You can inhale
> > Access
> and
> > exhale MySQL if that's what you want, or Oracle or DB2 or MS-SQL or
> Sybase.
> >
> > When I work on a new project, I spend a lot of time in DeZign before
> writing
> > a line of code. When I work on an existing project, first thing I do
> > is import it into DeZign. It vaguely resembles the Access
> > Relationships
> window
> > but offers many more benefits, most notably Domains.
> >
> > (I own no shares in this company; I'm just a satisfied user.)
> >
> > Back to your question. If the db Admins have not granted her
> > sufficient privs to export definitions then there is no simple way
> > around it. She is asking either for hacker tools or for increased
> > privs.
> >
> > Secondly, why export table definitions to Excel? Why not simple ascii
> files
> > that you can run in QA to rebuild structures?
> >
> > Arthur
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gale Perez
> > Sent: May 8, 2003 6:46 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Access Normalization
> >
> >
> > Hello!
> >
> > I haven't posted for quite a while (have been working
> > in Oracle, am now doing project management and working
> > on some Access tracking DBs).  It's nice to be back
> > and see familiar names :)
> >
> > Is there a way to export Access table definitions into
> > Excel or into a normalization tool (we're using
> > Brackets)?  I'm asking on someone else's behalf and
> > she has tried Export but gets the message that she
> > doesn't have permissions (it's not a secured
> > database).  Can you access the data dictionary with
> > SQL statements?
> >
> > Thank you for any assistance,
> > Gale
> >
> >
> > __________________________________
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com
>
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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> >
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  9 20:58:43 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 20:58:43 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B41@main2.marlow.com>

I pay $79 a month....(That's for bandwidth, static IP's, etc.)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 7:57 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Nope, no static IPs.  If I want that it's $110 for the "business package".
You didn't say what yours is costing though.  To be honest, my cable is so
fast I haven't bothered looking at DSL.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 8:43 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


And static IP's?

I get 1.5 meg down, with 256k up.  Also 5 static IPs (free domain routing,
etc.)

Where I am at, cable might be slow.  At my old place, broadband cable was
not available (long story).

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 7:33 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Ahhh you poor soul.  I get internet over my cable.  I get 4 mbit (yes, you
read correct) - BETTER than 450 KBYTES / sec transfer rate on files
(download of course) for a mere $30.  Of course I also have to take the
"Family" package which runs $40 but Mary is a TVaholic - or was before we
got Robbie.  And of course, I live way out of town, on a country road with
virtually no one else on my cable leg.  Still, I get superb bandwidth for
not a lot of money!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 8:16 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


I don't know about the odds, but I am certainly not putting money on
it...that's for sure! <grin>

As far as SBC, I didn't really have much of a choice.  I live in Mckinney,
Texas, which is just north of Dallas.  In fact, it is just barely outside
what is considered the DFW metroplex (Dallas/Fort Worth).  It's not
completely 'the back woods', but it's close.  Unfortunately, my choices
continue to get narrower.  Covad pulled out of the entire metroplex about 2
years ago, IP Communications went bankrupt, which left SBC or Internet
America.  Since Internet America (Texas based) actually sub contract SBC for
connections in my area, I'd be using SBC either way! <grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 6:44 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Uh, Drew?  Given your track record so far, what are the odds? <VBG>  I
wish you had picked someone besides SBC.  Now I'm going to worry about
my DSL service! <LOL>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:38 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


I think that is why I took on the Archives, because I want my
grandchildren to be able to look back on this List with pride! <VBG>.

By the way, everyone, I FINALLY got my domain switched to my new IP
Address. So now when you go to http://wolfwares.com, it keeps the domain
name in the Address, instead of switching it to the IP Address, which
was caused by the web redirect I had in place.  As long as SBC stays in
business, and my building doesn't burn down, it should be in good shape!
<grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 6:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Isn't that the basis of "survival of the fittest" and all that?  We
survive conflict, learn from it, and become better fit to...

I know a couple of developers who took their ball and went home (Back to
Access-L if I recall) after a run-in with me.  Others just kicked sand
in my face n stayed on (Drew for example).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Martin,  hasn't everyone who came on this list had a long argument with
JC? Are you saying we only begin to learn after we've had said long
argument?


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Yip. When I came on tho this list (lot of years now) and had a long
argument with JC I started to learn. Today I have two books published,
numerous articles and I am currrently working for the Microsoft Office
Team. None of this would have been possible without the likes of John
Colby, William, Rocky, Arthur, Mike Gunderloy and the other great
developers on this list. Not forgetting Susuan Harkins. The other day I
got an email that was addressed to myself and three others. I sat and
looked at it but for this list and the ideas, arguments and teaching
that has taken place I would not be here at all.

But outside of that its the friends I have made here that mean more than
anything else.

I have to name John Colby and Susan. Two people who give freely of their
time and expertise to others. Susan in particular has opened so many
doors for me in the Database world. Arthur Fuller as well who I think
does more of list than he does on.

Martin

Quoting John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:

> Ron,
>
> I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,

> faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth
> be known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy,

> I still
> have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".
>
> I remember my first job in Access.  I came from programming, but it
> wasn't event driven.  I was sooooo lost.  I sold myself for well under

> 1/2 my normal wage because the company was willing to let me read and
> learn what I
> had to learn to do their database.  4 hours reading, 6-8 hours
working,
> 6
> days a week (the company's old db was dying a painful death).  This
was
> 1994
> and there was no (widely available) internet, in fact not even an
> Access
> Users Group.  I was one of the founding members and board member of
the
> San
> Diego Access Users Group and loved having someplace I could go once a
> month
> to talk about Access.  MAN, it was LONELY out there back then.
>
> This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan,
> demented cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well
> you get the
> picture.  <ducking REAL low>
>
> Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:04 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
>
>
> My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of

> dogs,
> and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly
though,
> I
> agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think

> concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and
> new territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power
> programming'
> approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever
> offer
> (partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original
> posts).
> I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
> venerable list members.
> Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!
>
> Ron
>
>
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri May  9 21:03:38 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 12:03:38 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
In-Reply-To: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A047@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>
Message-ID: <3EBCEA9A.22331.BF0A06@localhost>

On 10 May 2003 at 7:24, Haslett, Andrew wrote:


> Stuart, I am 99% certain that @@Idenity operates on that particulart
> instance of a connection and that you will never get the autonumber
> from another users' INSERT.  I'm happy for you to proove me wrong
> though!!  In fact, it wouldn't be to hard to test, simply need to step
> through the code just before executing the @@Identity statement and
> inserting a record manually into the table, then seeing what
> @@IDentity returns.  Might go test it myself!!
> 

That's essentially what I said  in my last post :-)

>> If you are using an Acces BE with Jet 4 and only updating one 
>> table with the connection, it's safe 


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri May  9 21:12:05 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 12:12:05 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B41@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <3EBCEC95.22007.C6C8C2@localhost>

My dialup costs me over $US100 per month   :-(

On 9 May 2003 at 20:58, Drew Wutka wrote:

> I pay $79 a month....(That's for bandwidth, static IP's, etc.)
> 
> Drew
> 


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  9 21:32:54 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 21:32:54 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B42@main2.marlow.com>

No way to get satellite?  How much is the International LD?  It may be
cheaper to dial in through someone in the US, and just pay for their second
phone line (which is about $10 a month)!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 9:12 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


My dialup costs me over $US100 per month   :-(

On 9 May 2003 at 20:58, Drew Wutka wrote:

> I pay $79 a month....(That's for bandwidth, static IP's, etc.)
> 
> Drew
> 


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri May  9 23:05:34 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 21:05:34 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
In-Reply-To: <3EBCEC95.22007.C6C8C2@localhost>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFKECECIAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Stuart:

I have heard of these places in some states...in what region do you
live...??

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 7:12 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


My dialup costs me over $US100 per month   :-(

On 9 May 2003 at 20:58, Drew Wutka wrote:

> I pay $79 a month....(That's for bandwidth, static IP's, etc.)
>
> Drew
>


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat May 10 00:21:45 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 15:21:45 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B42@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <3EBD1909.31624.1746BF1@localhost>

No satellite available.  Inernational is about $US1 per minute to US 
so I would get about 3.3 minutes per day for SUS100 per month :-(


On 9 May 2003 at 21:32, Drew Wutka wrote:

> No way to get satellite?  How much is the International LD?  It may be
> cheaper to dial in through someone in the US, and just pay for their
> second phone line (which is about $10 a month)!
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg]
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 9:12 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
> 
> 
> My dialup costs me over $US100 per month   :-(
> 
> On 9 May 2003 at 20:58, Drew Wutka wrote:
> 
> > I pay $79 a month....(That's for bandwidth, static IP's, etc.)
> > 
> > Drew
> > 
> 
> 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat May 10 00:22:10 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 15:22:10 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
In-Reply-To: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFKECECIAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
References: <3EBCEC95.22007.C6C8C2@localhost>
Message-ID: <3EBD1922.4709.174CFC6@localhost>

Melanesia (.pg = Papua New Guinea - just north of Australia and  east 
of Indonesia)


On 9 May 2003 at 21:05, Jim Lawrence (AccessD) wrote:

> Stuart:
> 
> I have heard of these places in some states...in what region do you
> live...??
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
> McLachlan
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 7:12 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
> 
> 
> My dialup costs me over $US100 per month   :-(
> 
> On 9 May 2003 at 20:58, Drew Wutka wrote:
> 
> > I pay $79 a month....(That's for bandwidth, static IP's, etc.)
> >
> > Drew
> >
> 
> 
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Sat May 10 03:18:27 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 09:18:27 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
In-Reply-To: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A047@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>
Message-ID: <007c01c316cc$bc0cc9c0$b274d0d5@andypc>

I can confirm that @@IDENTITY's no use in A97/Jet 3. Tried it and it
errors. Shucks.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Haslett, Andrew
> Sent: 09 May 2003 22:55
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> 
> 
> Sorry guys I was away yesterday.
> 
> If you are using Access as the backend and you are adding new 
> records through ADO code, then you can use @@Identity to 
> return the autonumber created with *that particular connection*.  
> 
> Try to think of it that you are actally creating a *new instance of a
> connection* every time a record is entered (even though you 
> are probably using 'CurrentProject.Connection'). Therefore 
> because this is a connection on its own, in a multi-user 
> database, where multiple users are adding records, you are 
> still *guaranteed* to return the autonumber of the record 
> created for *that specific user*.
> 
> That it the advantage of @@Idenitiy compared to other 
> methods. It is tied in to that particular connection (or 
> statement) that created the record. Whereas if you tried to 
> use something like SELECT MAX(ID) to get the last created 
> record, then there is a danger that another record was 
> created in the meantime by another user.
> 
> Stuart, I am 99% certain that @@Idenity operates on that 
> particulart instance of a connection and that you will never 
> get the autonumber from another users' INSERT.  I'm happy for 
> you to proove me wrong though!!  In fact, it wouldn't be to 
> hard to test, simply need to step through the code just 
> before executing the @@Identity statement and inserting a 
> record manually into the table, then seeing what @@IDentity 
> returns.  Might go test it myself!!
> 
> Quick reminder that I don't think @@Identity will work in 
> Access 97 as it was only introduced in Jet4.0 to satisfy us 
> web coders!.  Not sre if this has been posted but this is the 
> KB article (watch wrapping):
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.
> microsoft.com:
> 80/support/kb/articles/Q232/1/44.ASP&NoWebContent=1
> 
> Also, in an earlier post I mentioned 'transaction' which was 
> a poor choice of phrase. I was just trying to explain that 
> each 'connection' was unique for that user.
> 
> Hope this helps!
> Cheers,
> Andrew
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg]
> Sent: Friday, 9 May 2003 9:22 PM
> To: Gustav Brock; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> 
> 
> In Jet 4 it's on a per connection basis. In SQL Server, it's a system 
> variable. So it depends on whether you Backend is  Access or SQL 
> Server.
> 
> If you are using an Acces BE with Jet 4 and only updating one table 
> with the connection, it's safe - if it's an SQL Server BE or the same 
> connection updates multiple tables in an Acces BE,  it's not.
> 
> 
> On 9 May 2003 at 10:35, Gustav Brock wrote:
> 
> > Hi Andrew and Stuart et al
> > 
> > I'm confused!
> > 
> > Andrew wrote:
> > 
> > It is safer as  @@Identity is linked only to the connection (or
> > transaction) which created the record.
> > 
> > Otherwise you are risking that another user will insert a record 
> > in-between adding and retrieving the ID of the record added by the 
> > first user.
> > 
> > I'm not sure if that is a risk using the other methods mentioned on 
> > this list, however I *do* now that with @@Identity there is 
> no risk of 
> > this happening.
> > 
> > but Stuart wrote:
> > 
> > > @@Identity is a system wide variable. It returns the last 
> autonumber 
> > > generated by the system. You certainly can't rely on it 
> to return a 
> > > particular record number in either a multi user system or in a 
> > > system where you are inserting into more than one table with 
> > > autonumbers keys in the same transaction.
> > 
> > So now, what to believe?
> > 
> > /gustav
> > 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat May 10 03:32:50 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 10:32:50 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] ORA-00937: not a single-group group function
In-Reply-To: <0F9AF20DCECA7A44B075FCA26ECE3E6F06AAF8@pe2kdc1.fxfwest.freight.fedex.com>
References:  <0F9AF20DCECA7A44B075FCA26ECE3E6F06AAF8@pe2kdc1.fxfwest.freight.fedex.com>
Message-ID: <253705167.20030510103250@cactus.dk>

Hi Paul

Not having an Oracle instance running, I just wonder if you can omit
"distinct" from the first line?

/gustav


> I'm receiving the error above when doing this query. I'm trying to count and sum a few fields (with filter on account level and fb_no) while putting the total (filtered to account level) in another
> field in the same sql query using a subquery.  

> Here is a sample output.
> Filtered = 30 records
> All (unfiltered) 100 records

> Bills, Wt, LbClass, WtdClass, TotalBills
> 30, .., .., .., 100

> Can anyone please help!
> Thanks,
> Paul Millard


> select distinct
> Count(Distinct t1.mai_fb_no) Bills,
> Sum(t2.mai_fb_item_weight) Wt,
> Sum(t2.mai_fb_item_weight*t3.dw_freight_class_id) LbClass,
> Sum(t2.mai_fb_item_weight*t3.dw_freight_class_id)/Sum(t2.mai_fb_item_weight) WtdClass,
> /*begin subquery*/
> (select 
> Count(t1.mai_fb_no) Bills
> from
> mai_shipment t1,
> dw_customer t4,
> dw_date t5
> where
> t1.mai_shipper_key=t4.dw_cust_key and
> t1.mai_dl_date_key=t5.dw_date_key and
> t4.dw_cust_old_number='SNM2904SFR' and
> t5.dw_day_date between to_date('2003-03-04 00:00:00', 'YYYY-MM-DD HH24:MI:SS') and 
> to_date('2003-03-04 00:00:00', 'YYYY-MM-DD HH24:MI:SS')) As TotalBills
> /*end subquery*/
> from
> mai_shipment t1,
> mai_shipment_item t2,
> dw_freight_class t3,
> dw_customer t4,
> dw_date t5
> where
> t1.mai_fb_no=t2.mai_fb_no and
> t1.mai_fb_suf=t2.mai_fb_suf and
> t2.mai_freight_class_key=t3.dw_freight_class_key and
> t1.mai_shipper_key=t4.dw_cust_key and
> t1.mai_dl_date_key=t5.dw_date_key and
> t2.mai_fb_item_weight>0 and
> t3.dw_freight_class_id Is Not Null and
> t1.mai_fb_no In('747938850', '936046135') and
> t5.dw_day_date between to_date('2003-03-04 00:00:00', 'YYYY-MM-DD HH24:MI:SS') and 
> to_date('2003-03-04 00:00:00', 'YYYY-MM-DD HH24:MI:SS')


From artful at rogers.com  Sat May 10 06:06:08 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 07:06:08 -0400
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEDBDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <021101c316e4$28d4dfe0$8e01a8c0@Rock>

Now that you have discovered our conspiracy, JC, we have to kill you.

A.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: May 9, 2003 1:01 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


Naw, it's more likely that people like Susan, Martin and Arthur all write
for these newsletters.  They are list members, and when they see a good
topic, they write an article.  Since an article can only be sold to a single
newsletter, they all get together and discuss who's gonna write up the tip
for which newsletter.  Susan sells to one, Martin to another, Arthur to
another.  Etc.

No law says they each can't write on the same SUBJECT but for a different
newsletter.

And if they didn't before, they will now.  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From artful at rogers.com  Sat May 10 06:17:49 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 07:17:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Normalization Tools - was Access Normalization
In-Reply-To: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFOEBKCIAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <021401c316e5$caa68b60$8e01a8c0@Rock>

I haven't used it much, since I have PowerDesigner, DeZign and Erwin. It
seemed ok but less powerful than the three I have, so I just shelved it.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
Sent: May 9, 2003 5:03 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization


Hi Arthur:

What do you think of MS Viso as a design tools?

Jim



From artful at rogers.com  Sat May 10 06:21:05 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 07:21:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F36@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <021501c316e6$3f408cf0$8e01a8c0@Rock>

That's a cool feature that may be enough to un-shelve Visio.

A.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: May 9, 2003 5:58 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization


You can also publish the schema to HTML, complete with jumps between tables
and pages.  Then they can view it in their browser.

Charlotte Foust



From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Sat May 10 07:38:05 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 14:38:05 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
References: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFIECCCIAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
	<001c01c31693$1d28e9d0$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>
Message-ID: <076f01c316f2$62077b20$0300a8c0@S856>

there are 38 subscribers on this list 

Lembit Soobik

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 3:25 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization


> ...did we ever get a dba-Visio list started? ...is there enough interest in
> one to make it worthwhile?
> 
> William Hindman
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 9:14 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
> 
> 
> > Charlotte:
> >
> > Thank you for that little tip.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
> > Foust
> > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:55 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
> >
> >
> > I've maintained network data using Visio in the past, if that applies.
> > Be careful about numeric values though because unless you do a lot of
> > careful tweaking to your Visio FE shapes' properties, you'll wind up
> > with doubles in the BE, whether that's what you wanted or not.  As you
> > might expect, doubles aren't terribly useful for MAC addresses, etc..
> > <G>
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca]
> > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 1:33 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
> >
> >
> > William:
> >
> > Not I, but I have used it on a MS SQL a few times, it finds the schema,
> > displays the structure and fields, I make a few changes, upload and
> > amazingly the DB and data is still there after all is said and done.
> > Works like the BackEnd Upgrader (BEU) from Bryan Carbonnell, Reuben
> > Cummings and Andy Lacey but for SQL.
> >
> > I didn't know it could be used as a FE user interface... I would like to
> > hear more.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> > Hindman
> > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:08 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
> >
> >
> > Jim...anyone
> >
> > ...I'm just now really getting into Visio ...has anyone here integrated
> > it with Access in an application? ...my intent is to use it as the
> > primary user interface with a tradeshow booth booking app and I'm
> > looking for anyone who's done something similar.
> >
> > William Hindman
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:02 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization
> >
> >
> > > Hi Arthur:
> > >
> > > What do you think of MS Viso as a design tools?
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur
> > > Fuller
> > > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:16 AM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization
> > >
> > >
> > > Great concept, a normalization tool!
> > >
> > > "Yo, dumbass, these columns should be a related table, click OK to
> > overrule
> > > yo dumbass design, foo!" :-)
> > >
> > > AFAIK no one has built it yet.
> > >
> > > I'm a big fan of database-design tools such as Erwin, PowerDesigner
> > > and
> > (my
> > > fave lately) DeZign, which costs 1/10 of the price of the
> > > aforementioned
> > and
> > > delivers almost all their functionality. Said tools can inhale a db
> > > and
> > turn
> > > it into a model and let you remodel it and then exhale a db to a list
> > > of targets, automatically converting data types etc. You can inhale
> > > Access
> > and
> > > exhale MySQL if that's what you want, or Oracle or DB2 or MS-SQL or
> > Sybase.
> > >
> > > When I work on a new project, I spend a lot of time in DeZign before
> > writing
> > > a line of code. When I work on an existing project, first thing I do
> > > is import it into DeZign. It vaguely resembles the Access
> > > Relationships
> > window
> > > but offers many more benefits, most notably Domains.
> > >
> > > (I own no shares in this company; I'm just a satisfied user.)
> > >
> > > Back to your question. If the db Admins have not granted her
> > > sufficient privs to export definitions then there is no simple way
> > > around it. She is asking either for hacker tools or for increased
> > > privs.
> > >
> > > Secondly, why export table definitions to Excel? Why not simple ascii
> > files
> > > that you can run in QA to rebuild structures?
> > >
> > > Arthur
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gale Perez
> > > Sent: May 8, 2003 6:46 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Access Normalization
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello!
> > >
> > > I haven't posted for quite a while (have been working
> > > in Oracle, am now doing project management and working
> > > on some Access tracking DBs).  It's nice to be back
> > > and see familiar names :)
> > >
> > > Is there a way to export Access table definitions into
> > > Excel or into a normalization tool (we're using
> > > Brackets)?  I'm asking on someone else's behalf and
> > > she has tried Export but gets the message that she
> > > doesn't have permissions (it's not a secured
> > > database).  Can you access the data dictionary with
> > > SQL statements?
> > >
> > > Thank you for any assistance,
> > > Gale
> > >
> > >
> > > __________________________________
> > > Do you Yahoo!?
> > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com
> >
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> > >
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> > >
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> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
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> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
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> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> >
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> >
> 
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From DElam at jenkens.com  Sat May 10 08:17:13 2003
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 08:17:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
Message-ID: <4AAC675EBAF3D411BCA200508BCFAA8E02F218A8@NATEXCH1>

I don't know if the two way satellite is available outside the US, but it
does not even need the phone line.  The only real problem we have had is
that VPNs are impossible per tech support.  Hunter figured out how to make
it work, but it is still a terrible connection.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 9:33 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


No way to get satellite?  How much is the International LD?  It may be
cheaper to dial in through someone in the US, and just pay for their second
phone line (which is about $10 a month)!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 9:12 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


My dialup costs me over $US100 per month   :-(

On 9 May 2003 at 20:58, Drew Wutka wrote:

> I pay $79 a month....(That's for bandwidth, static IP's, etc.)
> 
> Drew
> 


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From davesharpe2 at cox.net  Sat May 10 08:33:41 2003
From: davesharpe2 at cox.net (dave sharpe)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 09:33:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ORA-00937: not a single-group group function
References: 	<0F9AF20DCECA7A44B075FCA26ECE3E6F06AAF8@pe2kdc1.fxfwest.freight.fedex.com>
	<253705167.20030510103250@cactus.dk>
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Paul

I think that you need a  "Group By" expression.
"Group by t1.mai_fb_no" or "group by Bills";
I don't remember which it wants ( field name
or alias ).

When using aggriate functions ( such as count
or sum ) there needs to be a "Group By"
section and all fields not summed need to
be listed in it.

Dave



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gustav Brock 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 4:32 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] ORA-00937: not a single-group group function


  Hi Paul

  Not having an Oracle instance running, I just wonder if you can omit
  "distinct" from the first line?

  /gustav


  > I'm receiving the error above when doing this query. I'm trying to count and sum a few fields (with filter on account level and fb_no) while putting the total (filtered to account level) in another
  > field in the same sql query using a subquery.  

  > Here is a sample output.
  > Filtered = 30 records
  > All (unfiltered) 100 records

  > Bills, Wt, LbClass, WtdClass, TotalBills
  > 30, .., .., .., 100

  > Can anyone please help!
  > Thanks,
  > Paul Millard


  > select distinct
  > Count(Distinct t1.mai_fb_no) Bills,
  > Sum(t2.mai_fb_item_weight) Wt,
  > Sum(t2.mai_fb_item_weight*t3.dw_freight_class_id) LbClass,
  > Sum(t2.mai_fb_item_weight*t3.dw_freight_class_id)/Sum(t2.mai_fb_item_weight) WtdClass,
  > /*begin subquery*/
  > (select 
  > Count(t1.mai_fb_no) Bills
  > from
  > mai_shipment t1,
  > dw_customer t4,
  > dw_date t5
  > where
  > t1.mai_shipper_key=t4.dw_cust_key and
  > t1.mai_dl_date_key=t5.dw_date_key and
  > t4.dw_cust_old_number='SNM2904SFR' and
  > t5.dw_day_date between to_date('2003-03-04 00:00:00', 'YYYY-MM-DD HH24:MI:SS') and 
  > to_date('2003-03-04 00:00:00', 'YYYY-MM-DD HH24:MI:SS')) As TotalBills
  > /*end subquery*/
  > from
  > mai_shipment t1,
  > mai_shipment_item t2,
  > dw_freight_class t3,
  > dw_customer t4,
  > dw_date t5
  > where
  > t1.mai_fb_no=t2.mai_fb_no and
  > t1.mai_fb_suf=t2.mai_fb_suf and
  > t2.mai_freight_class_key=t3.dw_freight_class_key and
  > t1.mai_shipper_key=t4.dw_cust_key and
  > t1.mai_dl_date_key=t5.dw_date_key and
  > t2.mai_fb_item_weight>0 and
  > t3.dw_freight_class_id Is Not Null and
  > t1.mai_fb_no In('747938850', '936046135') and
  > t5.dw_day_date between to_date('2003-03-04 00:00:00', 'YYYY-MM-DD HH24:MI:SS') and 
  > to_date('2003-03-04 00:00:00', 'YYYY-MM-DD HH24:MI:SS')

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat May 10 08:46:18 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 09:46:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
In-Reply-To: <4AAC675EBAF3D411BCA200508BCFAA8E02F218A8@NATEXCH1>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEGEDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

One of the problems with satellite is that they are parked in geosynchronous
orbit 24000 miles up above the equator.  This means that the roundtrip
distance the signal has to travel is more than 48,000 miles.  Since the
speed of light is ~186,300 miles / sec this means it will take a full
quarter of a second for your signal to get to the satellite and back to the
ground station.  Then another 1/4 second for the response to get back to
you.  So a MINIMUM of 1/2 second to ask for something and get a response,
just in signal travel time.

Yea, it works.  And yea, if you are in a location where that is the only
option then it is a damned fine option.  Otherwise it is less than optimum.
For example, Multi-player "live" games can get hairy when you see something
and can't "kill it" for a full 1/4 second longer than the opposition.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Elam, Debbie
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 9:17 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


I don't know if the two way satellite is available outside the US, but it
does not even need the phone line.  The only real problem we have had is
that VPNs are impossible per tech support.  Hunter figured out how to make
it work, but it is still a terrible connection.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 9:33 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


No way to get satellite?  How much is the International LD?  It may be
cheaper to dial in through someone in the US, and just pay for their second
phone line (which is about $10 a month)!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 9:12 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


My dialup costs me over $US100 per month   :-(

On 9 May 2003 at 20:58, Drew Wutka wrote:

> I pay $79 a month....(That's for bandwidth, static IP's, etc.)
>
> Drew
>


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From harkins at iglou.com  Sat May 10 10:20:29 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 11:20:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
Message-ID: <00c501c31707$b1efab70$c6e6ffcc@SusanOne>

I use Access to keep articles, etc. on schedule, keep up with invoicing,
etc. and it works just fine. The one thing I don't really know how to handle
is the following -- occasionally I want to note something that I may not
need for months -- and I can do that -- just don't really know how to go
about displaying it -- reminding myself to look -- know what I mean?

For instance, this past two weeks has been bad because of the weather. Even
though I have surge protectors, I still turn off everything when the
lightning starts and that's been hours every day for the past two weeks. I'm
grossly behind as a result. Now, what I need to do is make a note to myself
that sometime in Jan, Feb, March -- maybe even all three -- that I remind
myself NOT to schedule fully for April and May because of the weather.

Just not sure how to approach it. Right now, I'm using Outlook and Access
and I'm working toward phasing Outlook out of the picture -- it's just too
difficult to work with for what I need.

Susan H.


From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sat May 10 10:30:34 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 08:30:34 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] CC J-I-T Forms 
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEEGDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <007601c31709$1b2c2bd0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

John:

Big THANK YOU for the JIT.  I have a form with a tab control with three
subforms.  The client has the BE on a server and their network isn't super
fast.  It was taking about 11 seconds to open the form.  I haven't tried it
there yet but on my box it would appear that the form now opens in 1/2 to
1/3 the time.

I'd like to show this at the next AUGSD meeting for my Coder's Corner
presentation if you have no objections.  With attribution, of course.

Best,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:12 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


> And years later, I had a REAL reason to do JIT his way.  Only once so
far...
>
> ;-)
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:48 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
>
>
> ...AccessD rite of passage ...until you've been on the wrong end of of a
JC
> rant, you can't really belong :)
>
> ...years back, a raw newbie to AccessD, I dared to mention that I did my
> j-i-t subforms just a bit differently ...two weeks later and a masters
> degree in Access intricacies later, we called a truce out of sheer
> exhaustion ...not ours of course but everyone else on the list ...but I
did
> buy his JIT sample and used it from then on :)))
>
> William Hindman
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Moore" <rmoore at comtechpst.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:37 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
>
>
> > Martin,  hasn't everyone who came on this list had a long argument with
> JC?
> > Are you saying we only begin to learn after we've had said long
argument?
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> > Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
> > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:39 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
> >
> >
> > Yip. When I came on tho this list (lot of years now) and had a long
> argument
> > with JC I started to learn. Today I have two books published, numerous
> > articles and I am currrently working for the Microsoft Office Team. None
> of
> > this would have been possible without the likes of John Colby, William,
> > Rocky,
> > Arthur, Mike Gunderloy and the other great developers on this list. Not
> > forgetting Susuan Harkins. The other day I got an email that was
addressed
> > to
> > myself and three others. I sat and looked at it but for this list and
the
> > ideas, arguments and teaching that has taken place I would not be here
at
> > all.
> >
> > But outside of that its the friends I have made here that mean more than
> > anything else.
> >
> > I have to name John Colby and Susan. Two people who give freely of their
> > time
> > and expertise to others. Susan in particular has opened so many doors
for
> me
> > in the Database world. Arthur Fuller as well who I think does more of
list
> > than he does on.
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > Quoting John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> >
> > > Ron,
> > >
> > > I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,
> > > faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth
> > > be
> > > known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy, I
> > > still
> > > have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".
> > >
> > > I remember my first job in Access.  I came from programming, but it
> > > wasn't
> > > event driven.  I was sooooo lost.  I sold myself for well under 1/2 my
> > > normal wage because the company was willing to let me read and learn
> > > what I
> > > had to learn to do their database.  4 hours reading, 6-8 hours
working,
> > > 6
> > > days a week (the company's old db was dying a painful death).  This
was
> > > 1994
> > > and there was no (widely available) internet, in fact not even an
> > > Access
> > > Users Group.  I was one of the founding members and board member of
the
> > > San
> > > Diego Access Users Group and loved having someplace I could go once a
> > > month
> > > to talk about Access.  MAN, it was LONELY out there back then.
> > >
> > > This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan,
> > > demented
> > > cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well you get
> > > the
> > > picture.  <ducking REAL low>
> > >
> > > Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
> > > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:04 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> > > subquery
> > >
> > >
> > > My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of
> > > dogs,
> > > and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly
though,
> > > I
> > > agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think
> > > concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and
> > > new
> > > territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power
> > > programming'
> > > approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever
> > > offer
> > > (partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original
> > > posts).
> > > I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
> > > venerable list members.
> > > Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!
> > >
> > > Ron
> > >
> > >
> > >
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sat May 10 11:35:06 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 09:35:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
References: <3EBD1909.31624.1746BF1@localhost>
Message-ID: <3EBD2A3A.3030106@shaw.ca>

I have used INMAR SAT (Marine satellite phone). $ 5 a minute
I guess those reporters in Iraq were using similar system.
Makesyoutalkveryfastthough.

Stuart McLachlan wrote:

>No satellite available.  Inernational is about $US1 per minute to US 
>so I would get about 3.3 minutes per day for SUS100 per month :-(
>
>
>On 9 May 2003 at 21:32, Drew Wutka wrote:
>
>  
>
>>No way to get satellite?  How much is the International LD?  It may be
>>cheaper to dial in through someone in the US, and just pay for their
>>second phone line (which is about $10 a month)!
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg]
>>Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 9:12 PM
>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
>>
>>
>>My dialup costs me over $US100 per month   :-(
>>
>>On 9 May 2003 at 20:58, Drew Wutka wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>I pay $79 a month....(That's for bandwidth, static IP's, etc.)
>>>
>>>Drew
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>-- 
>>Lexacorp Ltd
>>http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
>>Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
>>Support.
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>
>
>  
>



From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Sat May 10 11:48:13 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 18:48:13 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
References: <00c501c31707$b1efab70$c6e6ffcc@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <07a401c31715$5b538c60$0300a8c0@S856>

Susan,
from your msg I'm not quite sure which of the two the real problem is:
- reminding yourself to look
this can be done with a timer on a form (hidden form)
- Schedule your work load
in the below case you would enter something like 30%  of your available capacity
loaded for April and May. This requires however that you define how many
(wo)manhours article 'JIT' takes  and when it will be started.
put everything in a table including holidays, vacation etc and hours per day and
it will tell you when the article is ready.
In this context, you would like to check for scheduling conflicts. this is done
with a little equation somewhere on our download area (equation by myself and
some friends here).
HTH
Lembit Soobik

----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Harkins" <harkins at iglou.com>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 5:20 PM
Subject: [AccessD] scheduling


> I use Access to keep articles, etc. on schedule, keep up with invoicing,
> etc. and it works just fine. The one thing I don't really know how to handle
> is the following -- occasionally I want to note something that I may not
> need for months -- and I can do that -- just don't really know how to go
> about displaying it -- reminding myself to look -- know what I mean?
>
> For instance, this past two weeks has been bad because of the weather. Even
> though I have surge protectors, I still turn off everything when the
> lightning starts and that's been hours every day for the past two weeks. I'm
> grossly behind as a result. Now, what I need to do is make a note to myself
> that sometime in Jan, Feb, March -- maybe even all three -- that I remind
> myself NOT to schedule fully for April and May because of the weather.
>
> Just not sure how to approach it. Right now, I'm using Outlook and Access
> and I'm working toward phasing Outlook out of the picture -- it's just too
> difficult to work with for what I need.
>
> Susan H.
>
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sat May 10 12:16:54 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 13:16:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
References: 	<NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFIECCCIAA.accessd@shaw.ca><001c01c31693$1d28e9d0$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>
	<076f01c316f2$62077b20$0300a8c0@S856>
Message-ID: <001101c31717$f40e7260$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

...thanks Lembit ...looks like I'm overdue there :)))

William Hindman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lembit Soobik" <Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization


> there are 38 subscribers on this list
>
> Lembit Soobik
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 3:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
>
>
> > ...did we ever get a dba-Visio list started? ...is there enough interest
in
> > one to make it worthwhile?
> >
> > William Hindman
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 9:14 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
> >
> >
> > > Charlotte:
> > >
> > > Thank you for that little tip.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
> > > Foust
> > > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:55 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
> > >
> > >
> > > I've maintained network data using Visio in the past, if that applies.
> > > Be careful about numeric values though because unless you do a lot of
> > > careful tweaking to your Visio FE shapes' properties, you'll wind up
> > > with doubles in the BE, whether that's what you wanted or not.  As you
> > > might expect, doubles aren't terribly useful for MAC addresses, etc..
> > > <G>
> > >
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca]
> > > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 1:33 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
> > >
> > >
> > > William:
> > >
> > > Not I, but I have used it on a MS SQL a few times, it finds the
schema,
> > > displays the structure and fields, I make a few changes, upload and
> > > amazingly the DB and data is still there after all is said and done.
> > > Works like the BackEnd Upgrader (BEU) from Bryan Carbonnell, Reuben
> > > Cummings and Andy Lacey but for SQL.
> > >
> > > I didn't know it could be used as a FE user interface... I would like
to
> > > hear more.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> > > Hindman
> > > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:08 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
> > >
> > >
> > > Jim...anyone
> > >
> > > ...I'm just now really getting into Visio ...has anyone here
integrated
> > > it with Access in an application? ...my intent is to use it as the
> > > primary user interface with a tradeshow booth booking app and I'm
> > > looking for anyone who's done something similar.
> > >
> > > William Hindman
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
> > > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:02 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Arthur:
> > > >
> > > > What do you think of MS Viso as a design tools?
> > > >
> > > > Jim
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur
> > > > Fuller
> > > > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:16 AM
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Great concept, a normalization tool!
> > > >
> > > > "Yo, dumbass, these columns should be a related table, click OK to
> > > overrule
> > > > yo dumbass design, foo!" :-)
> > > >
> > > > AFAIK no one has built it yet.
> > > >
> > > > I'm a big fan of database-design tools such as Erwin, PowerDesigner
> > > > and
> > > (my
> > > > fave lately) DeZign, which costs 1/10 of the price of the
> > > > aforementioned
> > > and
> > > > delivers almost all their functionality. Said tools can inhale a db
> > > > and
> > > turn
> > > > it into a model and let you remodel it and then exhale a db to a
list
> > > > of targets, automatically converting data types etc. You can inhale
> > > > Access
> > > and
> > > > exhale MySQL if that's what you want, or Oracle or DB2 or MS-SQL or
> > > Sybase.
> > > >
> > > > When I work on a new project, I spend a lot of time in DeZign before
> > > writing
> > > > a line of code. When I work on an existing project, first thing I do
> > > > is import it into DeZign. It vaguely resembles the Access
> > > > Relationships
> > > window
> > > > but offers many more benefits, most notably Domains.
> > > >
> > > > (I own no shares in this company; I'm just a satisfied user.)
> > > >
> > > > Back to your question. If the db Admins have not granted her
> > > > sufficient privs to export definitions then there is no simple way
> > > > around it. She is asking either for hacker tools or for increased
> > > > privs.
> > > >
> > > > Secondly, why export table definitions to Excel? Why not simple
ascii
> > > files
> > > > that you can run in QA to rebuild structures?
> > > >
> > > > Arthur
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gale
Perez
> > > > Sent: May 8, 2003 6:46 PM
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] Access Normalization
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hello!
> > > >
> > > > I haven't posted for quite a while (have been working
> > > > in Oracle, am now doing project management and working
> > > > on some Access tracking DBs).  It's nice to be back
> > > > and see familiar names :)
> > > >
> > > > Is there a way to export Access table definitions into
> > > > Excel or into a normalization tool (we're using
> > > > Brackets)?  I'm asking on someone else's behalf and
> > > > she has tried Export but gets the message that she
> > > > doesn't have permissions (it's not a secured
> > > > database).  Can you access the data dictionary with
> > > > SQL statements?
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for any assistance,
> > > > Gale
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > __________________________________
> > > > Do you Yahoo!?
> > > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
http://search.yahoo.com
> > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
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> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
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From harkins at iglou.com  Sat May 10 12:26:15 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 13:26:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
References: <00c501c31707$b1efab70$c6e6ffcc@SusanOne>
	<07a401c31715$5b538c60$0300a8c0@S856>
Message-ID: <00f801c31719$4e0641c0$c6e6ffcc@SusanOne>

Aha -- that's a good idea Lembit -- I do have a set limit -- but it's in my
head -- I could simply apply that limit to my schedule -- good idea. Thank
you. :)

Susan H.


> Susan,
> from your msg I'm not quite sure which of the two the real problem is:
> - reminding yourself to look
> this can be done with a timer on a form (hidden form)
> - Schedule your work load
> in the below case you would enter something like 30%  of your available
capacity
> loaded for April and May. This requires however that you define how many
> (wo)manhours article 'JIT' takes  and when it will be started.
> put everything in a table including holidays, vacation etc and hours per
day and
> it will tell you when the article is ready.
> In this context, you would like to check for scheduling conflicts. this is
done
> with a little equation somewhere on our download area (equation by myself
and
> some friends here).
> HTH
> Lembit Soobik
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Susan Harkins" <harkins at iglou.com>
> To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 5:20 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
>
>
> > I use Access to keep articles, etc. on schedule, keep up with invoicing,
> > etc. and it works just fine. The one thing I don't really know how to
handle
> > is the following -- occasionally I want to note something that I may not
> > need for months -- and I can do that -- just don't really know how to go
> > about displaying it -- reminding myself to look -- know what I mean?
> >
> > For instance, this past two weeks has been bad because of the weather.
Even
> > though I have surge protectors, I still turn off everything when the
> > lightning starts and that's been hours every day for the past two weeks.
I'm
> > grossly behind as a result. Now, what I need to do is make a note to
myself
> > that sometime in Jan, Feb, March -- maybe even all three -- that I
remind
> > myself NOT to schedule fully for April and May because of the weather.
> >
> > Just not sure how to approach it. Right now, I'm using Outlook and
Access
> > and I'm working toward phasing Outlook out of the picture -- it's just
too
> > difficult to work with for what I need.
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Sat May 10 12:35:09 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 19:35:09 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
References: 	<00c501c31707$b1efab70$c6e6ffcc@SusanOne><07a401c31715$5b538c60$0300a8c0@S856>
	<00f801c31719$4e0641c0$c6e6ffcc@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <07b601c3171a$80e314a0$0300a8c0@S856>

now,
what are you doing here? you said you are going on vacation. Missed the plane?
:)
Lembit Soobik

----- Original Message -----

> Aha -- that's a good idea Lembit -- I do have a set limit -- but it's in my
> head -- I could simply apply that limit to my schedule -- good idea. Thank
> you. :)
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> > Susan,
> > from your msg I'm not quite sure which of the two the real problem is:
> > - reminding yourself to look
> > this can be done with a timer on a form (hidden form)
> > - Schedule your work load
> > in the below case you would enter something like 30%  of your available
> capacity
> > loaded for April and May. This requires however that you define how many
> > (wo)manhours article 'JIT' takes  and when it will be started.
> > put everything in a table including holidays, vacation etc and hours per
> day and
> > it will tell you when the article is ready.
> > In this context, you would like to check for scheduling conflicts. this is
> done
> > with a little equation somewhere on our download area (equation by myself
> and
> > some friends here).
> > HTH
> > Lembit Soobik
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Susan Harkins" <harkins at iglou.com>
> > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 5:20 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
> >
> >
> > > I use Access to keep articles, etc. on schedule, keep up with invoicing,
> > > etc. and it works just fine. The one thing I don't really know how to
> handle
> > > is the following -- occasionally I want to note something that I may not
> > > need for months -- and I can do that -- just don't really know how to go
> > > about displaying it -- reminding myself to look -- know what I mean?
> > >
> > > For instance, this past two weeks has been bad because of the weather.
> Even
> > > though I have surge protectors, I still turn off everything when the
> > > lightning starts and that's been hours every day for the past two weeks.
> I'm
> > > grossly behind as a result. Now, what I need to do is make a note to
> myself
> > > that sometime in Jan, Feb, March -- maybe even all three -- that I
> remind
> > > myself NOT to schedule fully for April and May because of the weather.
> > >
> > > Just not sure how to approach it. Right now, I'm using Outlook and
> Access
> > > and I'm working toward phasing Outlook out of the picture -- it's just
> too
> > > difficult to work with for what I need.
> > >
> > > Susan H.
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat May 10 12:35:05 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 13:35:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] CC J-I-T Forms 
In-Reply-To: <007601c31709$1b2c2bd0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEGMDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

My lawyers have informed me that you certainly may. ;-)

You will find a demo on my web site.  I haven't looked at it recently.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 11:31 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] CC J-I-T Forms


John:

Big THANK YOU for the JIT.  I have a form with a tab control with three
subforms.  The client has the BE on a server and their network isn't super
fast.  It was taking about 11 seconds to open the form.  I haven't tried it
there yet but on my box it would appear that the form now opens in 1/2 to
1/3 the time.

I'd like to show this at the next AUGSD meeting for my Coder's Corner
presentation if you have no objections.  With attribution, of course.

Best,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:12 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


> And years later, I had a REAL reason to do JIT his way.  Only once so
far...
>
> ;-)
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:48 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
>
>
> ...AccessD rite of passage ...until you've been on the wrong end of of a
JC
> rant, you can't really belong :)
>
> ...years back, a raw newbie to AccessD, I dared to mention that I did my
> j-i-t subforms just a bit differently ...two weeks later and a masters
> degree in Access intricacies later, we called a truce out of sheer
> exhaustion ...not ours of course but everyone else on the list ...but I
did
> buy his JIT sample and used it from then on :)))
>
> William Hindman
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Moore" <rmoore at comtechpst.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:37 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
>
>
> > Martin,  hasn't everyone who came on this list had a long argument with
> JC?
> > Are you saying we only begin to learn after we've had said long
argument?
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> > Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
> > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:39 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
> >
> >
> > Yip. When I came on tho this list (lot of years now) and had a long
> argument
> > with JC I started to learn. Today I have two books published, numerous
> > articles and I am currrently working for the Microsoft Office Team. None
> of
> > this would have been possible without the likes of John Colby, William,
> > Rocky,
> > Arthur, Mike Gunderloy and the other great developers on this list. Not
> > forgetting Susuan Harkins. The other day I got an email that was
addressed
> > to
> > myself and three others. I sat and looked at it but for this list and
the
> > ideas, arguments and teaching that has taken place I would not be here
at
> > all.
> >
> > But outside of that its the friends I have made here that mean more than
> > anything else.
> >
> > I have to name John Colby and Susan. Two people who give freely of their
> > time
> > and expertise to others. Susan in particular has opened so many doors
for
> me
> > in the Database world. Arthur Fuller as well who I think does more of
list
> > than he does on.
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > Quoting John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> >
> > > Ron,
> > >
> > > I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,
> > > faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth
> > > be
> > > known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy, I
> > > still
> > > have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".
> > >
> > > I remember my first job in Access.  I came from programming, but it
> > > wasn't
> > > event driven.  I was sooooo lost.  I sold myself for well under 1/2 my
> > > normal wage because the company was willing to let me read and learn
> > > what I
> > > had to learn to do their database.  4 hours reading, 6-8 hours
working,
> > > 6
> > > days a week (the company's old db was dying a painful death).  This
was
> > > 1994
> > > and there was no (widely available) internet, in fact not even an
> > > Access
> > > Users Group.  I was one of the founding members and board member of
the
> > > San
> > > Diego Access Users Group and loved having someplace I could go once a
> > > month
> > > to talk about Access.  MAN, it was LONELY out there back then.
> > >
> > > This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan,
> > > demented
> > > cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well you get
> > > the
> > > picture.  <ducking REAL low>
> > >
> > > Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
> > > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:04 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> > > subquery
> > >
> > >
> > > My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of
> > > dogs,
> > > and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly
though,
> > > I
> > > agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think
> > > concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and
> > > new
> > > territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power
> > > programming'
> > > approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever
> > > offer
> > > (partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original
> > > posts).
> > > I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
> > > venerable list members.
> > > Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!
> > >
> > > Ron
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
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>
>
>
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sat May 10 12:49:23 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 13:49:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
References: <00c501c31707$b1efab70$c6e6ffcc@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <005101c3171c$7de55310$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

...the better solution is to install real electrical surge protectors at
your electrical panels rather than the toy suppressors we all have for our
computers and phones ...most of those sold at computer/office outlets can't
handle more than a short, mild surge ...for areas like south Florida where
we get frequent lightning storms you need much more ...the ones we have in
our main panel and phone distribution block cost $300+ but handle over 26MVA
surges ...anything but a direct hit ...before we installed them we had
constant hits on our computers despite each having their own suppressors
...after installation, I've been able to work through the worst storms ...as
long as power stays on, I can without worrying ...HTH :)

...of course if I needed a handy excuse to take off this time of year
anyway, yours would work :))))

William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Harkins" <harkins at iglou.com>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 11:20 AM
Subject: [AccessD] scheduling


> I use Access to keep articles, etc. on schedule, keep up with invoicing,
> etc. and it works just fine. The one thing I don't really know how to
handle
> is the following -- occasionally I want to note something that I may not
> need for months -- and I can do that -- just don't really know how to go
> about displaying it -- reminding myself to look -- know what I mean?
>
> For instance, this past two weeks has been bad because of the weather.
Even
> though I have surge protectors, I still turn off everything when the
> lightning starts and that's been hours every day for the past two weeks.
I'm
> grossly behind as a result. Now, what I need to do is make a note to
myself
> that sometime in Jan, Feb, March -- maybe even all three -- that I remind
> myself NOT to schedule fully for April and May because of the weather.
>
> Just not sure how to approach it. Right now, I'm using Outlook and Access
> and I'm working toward phasing Outlook out of the picture -- it's just too
> difficult to work with for what I need.
>
> Susan H.
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Sat May 10 12:59:36 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 12:59:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357E1@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Susan,

What Lembit is describing is possible with MS Project.

If you don't have MS Project or any of the equivalents, then I suggest
putting your notes in a table and running a query from your startup that
searches the table for relevant notes.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Lembit Soobik [mailto:Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de] 
Sent: Saturday 2003 May 10 11:48
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] scheduling

Susan,
from your msg I'm not quite sure which of the two the real problem is:
- reminding yourself to look
this can be done with a timer on a form (hidden form)
- Schedule your work load
in the below case you would enter something like 30%  of your available
capacity loaded for April and May. This requires however that you define
how many (wo)manhours article 'JIT' takes  and when it will be started.
put everything in a table including holidays, vacation etc and hours per
day and it will tell you when the article is ready. In this context, you
would like to check for scheduling conflicts. this is done with a little
equation somewhere on our download area (equation by myself and some
friends here). HTH Lembit Soobik

----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Harkins" <harkins at iglou.com>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 5:20 PM
Subject: [AccessD] scheduling


> I use Access to keep articles, etc. on schedule, keep up with 
> invoicing, etc. and it works just fine. The one thing I don't really 
> know how to handle is the following -- occasionally I want to note 
> something that I may not need for months -- and I can do that -- just 
> don't really know how to go about displaying it -- reminding myself to

> look -- know what I mean?
>
> For instance, this past two weeks has been bad because of the weather.

> Even though I have surge protectors, I still turn off everything when 
> the lightning starts and that's been hours every day for the past two 
> weeks. I'm grossly behind as a result. Now, what I need to do is make 
> a note to myself that sometime in Jan, Feb, March -- maybe even all 
> three -- that I remind myself NOT to schedule fully for April and May 
> because of the weather.
>
> Just not sure how to approach it. Right now, I'm using Outlook and 
> Access and I'm working toward phasing Outlook out of the picture -- 
> it's just too difficult to work with for what I need.
>
> Susan H.

From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Sat May 10 13:06:00 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 20:06:00 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
References: <00c501c31707$b1efab70$c6e6ffcc@SusanOne>
	<005101c3171c$7de55310$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>
Message-ID: <07c601c3171e$d098fa10$0300a8c0@S856>

as always, you are right, William, 
but that doesnt take care of her vacation
Lembit Soobik

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] scheduling


> ...the better solution is to install real electrical surge protectors at
> your electrical panels rather than the toy suppressors we all have for our
> computers and phones ...most of those sold at computer/office outlets can't
> handle more than a short, mild surge ...for areas like south Florida where
> we get frequent lightning storms you need much more ...the ones we have in
> our main panel and phone distribution block cost $300+ but handle over 26MVA
> surges ...anything but a direct hit ...before we installed them we had
> constant hits on our computers despite each having their own suppressors
> ...after installation, I've been able to work through the worst storms ...as
> long as power stays on, I can without worrying ...HTH :)
> 
> ...of course if I needed a handy excuse to take off this time of year
> anyway, yours would work :))))
> 
> William Hindman
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Susan Harkins" <harkins at iglou.com>
> To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 11:20 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
> 
> 
> > I use Access to keep articles, etc. on schedule, keep up with invoicing,
> > etc. and it works just fine. The one thing I don't really know how to
> handle
> > is the following -- occasionally I want to note something that I may not
> > need for months -- and I can do that -- just don't really know how to go
> > about displaying it -- reminding myself to look -- know what I mean?
> >
> > For instance, this past two weeks has been bad because of the weather.
> Even
> > though I have surge protectors, I still turn off everything when the
> > lightning starts and that's been hours every day for the past two weeks.
> I'm
> > grossly behind as a result. Now, what I need to do is make a note to
> myself
> > that sometime in Jan, Feb, March -- maybe even all three -- that I remind
> > myself NOT to schedule fully for April and May because of the weather.
> >
> > Just not sure how to approach it. Right now, I'm using Outlook and Access
> > and I'm working toward phasing Outlook out of the picture -- it's just too
> > difficult to work with for what I need.
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


From harkins at iglou.com  Sat May 10 13:03:15 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 14:03:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
References: 	<00c501c31707$b1efab70$c6e6ffcc@SusanOne><07a401c31715$5b538c60$0300a8c0@S856><00f801c31719$4e0641c0$c6e6ffcc@SusanOne>
	<07b601c3171a$80e314a0$0300a8c0@S856>
Message-ID: <011701c3171f$20641200$c6e6ffcc@SusanOne>

We're not leaving until Monday morning sometime. The kids will finish
painting the house while we're gone and we're still packing stuff up and
covering furniture -- and I have 3 articles to write before I can leave!

Susan H.


> now,
> what are you doing here? you said you are going on vacation. Missed the
plane?
> :)



From harkins at iglou.com  Sat May 10 13:08:10 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 14:08:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
References: <00c501c31707$b1efab70$c6e6ffcc@SusanOne>
	<005101c3171c$7de55310$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>
Message-ID: <011801c3171f$21336ff0$c6e6ffcc@SusanOne>

Can't work, so I might as well get out of dodge! ;)

It happens every year and then I forget about it and once I'm behind, it
affects the entire summer. So, I will definitely be giving some thought to
your suggestion -- I don't actually "schedule" articles in Access, but I
think I'll add some kind of validation to assigned topics as I enter the due
date -- which will promptly reject an article if there are too many
scheduled already. Or, perhaps I'll simply show a list of dates and the
number of open slots -- either way, it shouldn't be difficult at all and I
don't know why I didn't think of it before. I've been using Outlook to keep
all that straight and it's a pia to use two different applications. But I
just haven't had time to really add it to the Access db that tracks them all
for invoicing, but it's all there already. This will be a simple feature to
add and will be very helpful.

Susan H.


> ...the better solution is to install real electrical surge protectors at
> your electrical panels rather than the toy suppressors we all have for our
> computers and phones ...most of those sold at computer/office outlets
can't
> handle more than a short, mild surge ...for areas like south Florida where
> we get frequent lightning storms you need much more ...the ones we have in
> our main panel and phone distribution block cost $300+ but handle over
26MVA
> surges ...anything but a direct hit ...before we installed them we had
> constant hits on our computers despite each having their own suppressors
> ...after installation, I've been able to work through the worst storms
...as
> long as power stays on, I can without worrying ...HTH :)
>
> ...of course if I needed a handy excuse to take off this time of year
> anyway, yours would work :))))
>
> William Hindman
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Susan Harkins" <harkins at iglou.com>
> To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 11:20 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
>
>
> > I use Access to keep articles, etc. on schedule, keep up with invoicing,
> > etc. and it works just fine. The one thing I don't really know how to
> handle
> > is the following -- occasionally I want to note something that I may not
> > need for months -- and I can do that -- just don't really know how to go
> > about displaying it -- reminding myself to look -- know what I mean?
> >
> > For instance, this past two weeks has been bad because of the weather.
> Even
> > though I have surge protectors, I still turn off everything when the
> > lightning starts and that's been hours every day for the past two weeks.
> I'm
> > grossly behind as a result. Now, what I need to do is make a note to
> myself
> > that sometime in Jan, Feb, March -- maybe even all three -- that I
remind
> > myself NOT to schedule fully for April and May because of the weather.
> >
> > Just not sure how to approach it. Right now, I'm using Outlook and
Access
> > and I'm working toward phasing Outlook out of the picture -- it's just
too
> > difficult to work with for what I need.
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Sat May 10 13:15:21 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 13:15:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F87804@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

And an even better solution is to get a UPS (Uninterruptible Power
Supply) system for your computer besides the surge suppressors.  For
about US$200 on up, you can get backup power to let you continue running
for as long as the batteries last.  At about $200 you only get enough to
let you save everything and gracefully power down your computer.  For
about $1000 you can keep running all night if the regular electricity
stays off that long.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Lembit Soobik [mailto:Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de] 
Sent: Saturday 2003 May 10 13:06
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] scheduling
Importance: Low


as always, you are right, William, 
but that doesnt take care of her vacation
Lembit Soobik

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] scheduling


> ...the better solution is to install real electrical surge protectors 
> at your electrical panels rather than the toy suppressors we all have 
> for our computers and phones ...most of those sold at computer/office 
> outlets can't handle more than a short, mild surge ...for areas like 
> south Florida where we get frequent lightning storms you need much 
> more ...the ones we have in our main panel and phone distribution 
> block cost $300+ but handle over 26MVA surges ...anything but a direct

> hit ...before we installed them we had constant hits on our computers 
> despite each having their own suppressors ...after installation, I've 
> been able to work through the worst storms ...as long as power stays 
> on, I can without worrying ...HTH :)
> 
> ...of course if I needed a handy excuse to take off this time of year 
> anyway, yours would work :))))
> 
> William Hindman
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Susan Harkins" <harkins at iglou.com>
> To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 11:20 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
> 
> 
> > I use Access to keep articles, etc. on schedule, keep up with 
> > invoicing, etc. and it works just fine. The one thing I don't really

> > know how to
> handle
> > is the following -- occasionally I want to note something that I may

> > not need for months -- and I can do that -- just don't really know 
> > how to go about displaying it -- reminding myself to look -- know 
> > what I mean?
> >
> > For instance, this past two weeks has been bad because of the 
> > weather.
> Even
> > though I have surge protectors, I still turn off everything when the

> > lightning starts and that's been hours every day for the past two 
> > weeks.
> I'm
> > grossly behind as a result. Now, what I need to do is make a note to
> myself
> > that sometime in Jan, Feb, March -- maybe even all three -- that I 
> > remind myself NOT to schedule fully for April and May because of the

> > weather.
> >
> > Just not sure how to approach it. Right now, I'm using Outlook and 
> > Access and I'm working toward phasing Outlook out of the picture -- 
> > it's just too difficult to work with for what I need.
> >
> > Susan H.

From john at winhaven.net  Sat May 10 13:33:02 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 13:33:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
In-Reply-To: <005101c3171c$7de55310$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJMEIGEFAA.john@winhaven.net>

I suggest you replace surge protectors for computer equipment with a
Uninterruptible Power Supply UPS. I have a couple in my office. My power go
off long enough (more than a second) to crash my equipment about twenty
times a day here.

Trip-lite has some very nice ones out for less than $100 that will safely
turn your PC off for you via USB cable if the power is going to be out for
more than 10 minutes. Kind of like the network room's UPS little cousins.
Beware the less expensive APC  models - some have a poorly designed
proprietary cable instead of USB.

JB
"free from the cabal but on the run"

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 12:49 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] scheduling
>
>
> ...the better solution is to install real electrical surge protectors at
> your electrical panels rather than the toy suppressors we all have for our
> computers and phones ...most of those sold at computer/office
> outlets can't
> handle more than a short, mild surge ...for areas like south Florida where
> we get frequent lightning storms you need much more ...the ones we have in
> our main panel and phone distribution block cost $300+ but handle
> over 26MVA
> surges ...anything but a direct hit ...before we installed them we had
> constant hits on our computers despite each having their own suppressors
> ...after installation, I've been able to work through the worst
> storms ...as
> long as power stays on, I can without worrying ...HTH :)
>
> ...of course if I needed a handy excuse to take off this time of year
> anyway, yours would work :))))
>
> William Hindman
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Susan Harkins" <harkins at iglou.com>
> To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 11:20 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
>
>
> > I use Access to keep articles, etc. on schedule, keep up with invoicing,
> > etc. and it works just fine. The one thing I don't really know how to
> handle
> > is the following -- occasionally I want to note something that I may not
> > need for months -- and I can do that -- just don't really know how to go
> > about displaying it -- reminding myself to look -- know what I mean?
> >
> > For instance, this past two weeks has been bad because of the weather.
> Even
> > though I have surge protectors, I still turn off everything when the
> > lightning starts and that's been hours every day for the past two weeks.
> I'm
> > grossly behind as a result. Now, what I need to do is make a note to
> myself
> > that sometime in Jan, Feb, March -- maybe even all three --
> that I remind
> > myself NOT to schedule fully for April and May because of the weather.
> >
> > Just not sure how to approach it. Right now, I'm using Outlook
> and Access
> > and I'm working toward phasing Outlook out of the picture --
> it's just too
> > difficult to work with for what I need.
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sat May 10 16:17:59 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 14:17:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] CC J-I-T Forms
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEGMDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00cc01c31739$a25d15d0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

John:

Already did it.  That's where I got the 1/2 to 1/3 reduction in the time in
opening the form.  On my box it's a little hard to tell.  Opened before in
about 3 seconds.  Now much faster.  I'll wait to see what happens on their
network.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 10:35 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CC J-I-T Forms


> My lawyers have informed me that you certainly may. ;-)
>
> You will find a demo on my web site.  I haven't looked at it recently.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 11:31 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] CC J-I-T Forms
>
>
> John:
>
> Big THANK YOU for the JIT.  I have a form with a tab control with three
> subforms.  The client has the BE on a server and their network isn't super
> fast.  It was taking about 11 seconds to open the form.  I haven't tried
it
> there yet but on my box it would appear that the form now opens in 1/2 to
> 1/3 the time.
>
> I'd like to show this at the next AUGSD meeting for my Coder's Corner
> presentation if you have no objections.  With attribution, of course.
>
> Best,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:12 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
>
>
> > And years later, I had a REAL reason to do JIT his way.  Only once so
> far...
> >
> > ;-)
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> > Hindman
> > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:48 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
> >
> >
> > ...AccessD rite of passage ...until you've been on the wrong end of of a
> JC
> > rant, you can't really belong :)
> >
> > ...years back, a raw newbie to AccessD, I dared to mention that I did my
> > j-i-t subforms just a bit differently ...two weeks later and a masters
> > degree in Access intricacies later, we called a truce out of sheer
> > exhaustion ...not ours of course but everyone else on the list ...but I
> did
> > buy his JIT sample and used it from then on :)))
> >
> > William Hindman
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ron Moore" <rmoore at comtechpst.com>
> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:37 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
> >
> >
> > > Martin,  hasn't everyone who came on this list had a long argument
with
> > JC?
> > > Are you saying we only begin to learn after we've had said long
> argument?
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> > > Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
> > > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:39 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
> > >
> > >
> > > Yip. When I came on tho this list (lot of years now) and had a long
> > argument
> > > with JC I started to learn. Today I have two books published, numerous
> > > articles and I am currrently working for the Microsoft Office Team.
None
> > of
> > > this would have been possible without the likes of John Colby,
William,
> > > Rocky,
> > > Arthur, Mike Gunderloy and the other great developers on this list.
Not
> > > forgetting Susuan Harkins. The other day I got an email that was
> addressed
> > > to
> > > myself and three others. I sat and looked at it but for this list and
> the
> > > ideas, arguments and teaching that has taken place I would not be here
> at
> > > all.
> > >
> > > But outside of that its the friends I have made here that mean more
than
> > > anything else.
> > >
> > > I have to name John Colby and Susan. Two people who give freely of
their
> > > time
> > > and expertise to others. Susan in particular has opened so many doors
> for
> > me
> > > in the Database world. Arthur Fuller as well who I think does more of
> list
> > > than he does on.
> > >
> > > Martin
> > >
> > > Quoting John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> > >
> > > > Ron,
> > > >
> > > > I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come
further,
> > > > faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact,
truth
> > > > be
> > > > known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy,
I
> > > > still
> > > > have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".
> > > >
> > > > I remember my first job in Access.  I came from programming, but it
> > > > wasn't
> > > > event driven.  I was sooooo lost.  I sold myself for well under 1/2
my
> > > > normal wage because the company was willing to let me read and learn
> > > > what I
> > > > had to learn to do their database.  4 hours reading, 6-8 hours
> working,
> > > > 6
> > > > days a week (the company's old db was dying a painful death).  This
> was
> > > > 1994
> > > > and there was no (widely available) internet, in fact not even an
> > > > Access
> > > > Users Group.  I was one of the founding members and board member of
> the
> > > > San
> > > > Diego Access Users Group and loved having someplace I could go once
a
> > > > month
> > > > to talk about Access.  MAN, it was LONELY out there back then.
> > > >
> > > > This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan,
> > > > demented
> > > > cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well you get
> > > > the
> > > > picture.  <ducking REAL low>
> > > >
> > > > Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!
> > > >
> > > > John W. Colby
> > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
> > > > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:04 PM
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> > > > subquery
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack
of
> > > > dogs,
> > > > and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly
> though,
> > > > I
> > > > agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I
think
> > > > concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel)
and
> > > > new
> > > > territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power
> > > > programming'
> > > > approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could
ever
> > > > offer
> > > > (partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original
> > > > posts).
> > > > I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among
our
> > > > venerable list members.
> > > > Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!
> > > >
> > > > Ron
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
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> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat May 10 17:38:46 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 08:38:46 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJMEIGEFAA.john@winhaven.net>
References: <005101c3171c$7de55310$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>
Message-ID: <3EBE0C16.12897.1C664C@localhost>

On 10 May 2003 at 13:33, John Bartow wrote:

> 
> Trip-lite has some very nice ones out for less than $100 that will
> safely turn your PC off for you via USB cable if the power is going to
> be out for more than 10 minutes. 

Gee, psychic UPSs, what next :-)

I wish I had something to tell me how long the power is going to out 
when we have power cuts in Port Moresby - It's often several hours at 
a time :-(




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Support.




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat May 10 17:51:02 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 08:51:02 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
In-Reply-To: <00c501c31707$b1efab70$c6e6ffcc@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <3EBE0EF6.17353.27A262@localhost>

On 10 May 2003 at 11:20, Susan Harkins wrote:

> I use Access to keep articles, etc. on schedule, keep up with
> invoicing, etc. and it works just fine. The one thing I don't really
> know how to handle is the following -- occasionally I want to note
> something that I may not need for months -- and I can do that -- just
> don't really know how to go about displaying it -- reminding myself to
> look -- know what I mean?
> 

A "tickler" table.  Something like 

fldFirstDate as DATE, fldFrequency as Long, fldReminder as MEMO

On startup, popup a continuous form with a recordsource of:

"Select * from tTickler where fldFirstDate <= Date() and (Date() - 
fldFirstDate) MOD fldFrequency = 0"

Then your messages will popup when you start your application on 
FldFirstday and every fldFrequency days afterwards until you delete 
the record.








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Support.




From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat May 10 19:39:51 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 17:39:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
In-Reply-To: <011701c3171f$20641200$c6e6ffcc@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFMECKCIAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Susan:

Now that's nice...house painted while you gone, no muss or fuss. Now if you
get someone to write those articles...

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 11:03 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] scheduling


We're not leaving until Monday morning sometime. The kids will finish
painting the house while we're gone and we're still packing stuff up and
covering furniture -- and I have 3 articles to write before I can leave!

Susan H.


> now,
> what are you doing here? you said you are going on vacation. Missed the
plane?
> :)


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From harkins at iglou.com  Sat May 10 19:49:01 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 20:49:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
References: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFMECKCIAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <01a801c31757$1f33d4f0$dde6ffcc@SusanOne>

OH MY GOSH!!!!!!!!!!

My kitchen appliances have been in the middle of the floor for over 3
weeks -- waiting for them to finish. I'll NEVER ask my kids to paint my
house again -- NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 8:39 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] scheduling


> Susan:
>
> Now that's nice...house painted while you gone, no muss or fuss. Now if
you
> get someone to write those articles...
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 11:03 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] scheduling
>
>
> We're not leaving until Monday morning sometime. The kids will finish
> painting the house while we're gone and we're still packing stuff up and
> covering furniture -- and I have 3 articles to write before I can leave!
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> > now,
> > what are you doing here? you said you are going on vacation. Missed the
> plane?
> > :)
>
>
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From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Sat May 10 20:09:50 2003
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 20:09:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
In-Reply-To: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F87804@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <FKEBJOENDDBJHLINGOBHIEJHEIAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

If you're spending $1000, just go ahead and spend $2000 for a generator and
transfer switch.  Then not only could you keep working, you could keep some
of your lights on and keep your beer cold as long as you have gas.

Reuben Cummings
Director of Software Development
GFC, LLC
phone: 812.523.1017
email: reuben at gfconsultants.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz, Charles
> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 1:15 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] scheduling
>
>
> And an even better solution is to get a UPS (Uninterruptible Power
> Supply) system for your computer besides the surge suppressors.  For
> about US$200 on up, you can get backup power to let you continue running
> for as long as the batteries last.  At about $200 you only get enough to
> let you save everything and gracefully power down your computer.  For
> about $1000 you can keep running all night if the regular electricity
> stays off that long.
>
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lembit Soobik [mailto:Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de]
> Sent: Saturday 2003 May 10 13:06
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] scheduling
> Importance: Low
>
>
> as always, you are right, William,
> but that doesnt take care of her vacation
> Lembit Soobik
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 7:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] scheduling
>
>
> > ...the better solution is to install real electrical surge protectors
> > at your electrical panels rather than the toy suppressors we all have
> > for our computers and phones ...most of those sold at computer/office
> > outlets can't handle more than a short, mild surge ...for areas like
> > south Florida where we get frequent lightning storms you need much
> > more ...the ones we have in our main panel and phone distribution
> > block cost $300+ but handle over 26MVA surges ...anything but a direct
>
> > hit ...before we installed them we had constant hits on our computers
> > despite each having their own suppressors ...after installation, I've
> > been able to work through the worst storms ...as long as power stays
> > on, I can without worrying ...HTH :)
> >
> > ...of course if I needed a handy excuse to take off this time of year
> > anyway, yours would work :))))
> >
> > William Hindman
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Susan Harkins" <harkins at iglou.com>
> > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 11:20 AM
> > Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
> >
> >
> > > I use Access to keep articles, etc. on schedule, keep up with
> > > invoicing, etc. and it works just fine. The one thing I don't really
>
> > > know how to
> > handle
> > > is the following -- occasionally I want to note something that I may
>
> > > not need for months -- and I can do that -- just don't really know
> > > how to go about displaying it -- reminding myself to look -- know
> > > what I mean?
> > >
> > > For instance, this past two weeks has been bad because of the
> > > weather.
> > Even
> > > though I have surge protectors, I still turn off everything when the
>
> > > lightning starts and that's been hours every day for the past two
> > > weeks.
> > I'm
> > > grossly behind as a result. Now, what I need to do is make a note to
> > myself
> > > that sometime in Jan, Feb, March -- maybe even all three -- that I
> > > remind myself NOT to schedule fully for April and May because of the
>
> > > weather.
> > >
> > > Just not sure how to approach it. Right now, I'm using Outlook and
> > > Access and I'm working toward phasing Outlook out of the picture --
> > > it's just too difficult to work with for what I need.
> > >
> > > Susan H.
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sun May 11 00:33:48 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 22:33:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] XML
References: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F877FE@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
	<1052419091.3ebaa413e9d68@hosea.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <3EBDE0BC.6000706@shaw.ca>



mwp.reid at queens-belfast.ac.uk wrote:

>Was the ability to import and export XML via the GUI (or using ADO) in Access 
>available in any version prior to A XP? 
>  
>
 You can handle XML without ADO from Access 97 just a little more 
trouble. The following example reads in an XML file (well I am using a 
string), verifies via a schema xsd file, uses an xsl file to select 
nodes via XSLT and inserts the values into a table. I am using MS XML 
version 5.0 but you could go back to 3.0. The table tblTest has to 
preexist with a field RECORD.

Sub testxml()
Dim sXML As String

sXML = "<RECORDS><RECORD><Value>1234</Value></RECORD>" & _
                "<RECORD><Value>1235</Value>" & _
       "</RECORD></RECORDS>"


If AddDatabase(sXML) Then
    MsgBox "Added XML OK"
Else
    MsgBox " XML failed"
End If
End Sub

 Function AddDatabase(pseDataXML As String) As Boolean

    Dim oResultsXML     As DOMDocument50
    Dim oTransformToSQL As DOMDocument50
    Dim sSQL            As String
    Dim xmlError As IXMLDOMParseError
    Dim dbs As DAO.Database
   
Dim xmlSchema As XMLSchemaCache50
Debug.Print CurrentProject.Path
Set xmlSchema = New XMLSchemaCache50

xmlSchema.Add "http://tempuri.org/WellFormed.xsd", _
              CurrentProject.Path & "\test.xsd"


    Set oResultsXML = New DOMDocument50
    Set oTransformToSQL = New DOMDocument50
    Set oResultsXML.schemas = xmlSchema
    Set dbs = CurrentDb()
   
   oResultsXML.async = False
   oResultsXML.validateOnParse = True
   oResultsXML.resolveExternals = False

    Debug.Print "Preparing to add to database: Loading XSL"
    If oTransformToSQL.Load(CurrentProject.Path & "\test.xsl") Then
   
        Debug.Print "Loading results XML"
        If oResultsXML.loadXML(pseDataXML) Then
            Debug.Print "Transforming XML with XSL"
            sSQL = oResultsXML.transformNode(oTransformToSQL)
   
            Debug.Print sSQL
           
            Dim MyStringArray() As String

              'use AND string as delimiter
             MyStringArray = Split(sSQL, "AND")
            ' Access can't use multiple SQL  inserts in single call so 
seperate
            For i = 0 To UBound(MyStringArray) - 1
             Debug.Print MyStringArray(i)

              dbs.Execute (MyStringArray(i))

            Next
        Else
            Debug.Print "Unable to load result XML:" & vbCrLf & pseDataXML
            Set xmlError = oResultsXML.parseError

            reportParseError xmlError
            GoTo AddDatabase_Exit
        End If
    Else
        Debug.Print "Unable to load XSL:" & vbCrLf & psXSL
        Set xmlError = oTransformToSQL.parseError
        reportParseError xmlError
        GoTo AddDatabase_Exit
    End If
   
    AddDatabase = True

AddDatabase_Exit:

    Set oResultsXML = Nothing
    Set oTransformToSQL = Nothing

End Function
Function reportParseError(err As IXMLDOMParseError)

  Dim s As String
  Dim r As String
  Dim i As Long
 
   s = ""
  For i = 1 To err.linepos - 1
    s = s & " "
  Next
  r = "XML Error loading " & err.url & " * " & err.reason
    'show character postion of error; tired of counting
  If (err.Line > 0) Then
    r = "at line " & err.Line & ", character " & err.linepos & vbCrLf & _
         err.srcText & vbCrLf & s & "^"
  End If
  Debug.Print r
  End Function

test.xsl
------
<xsl:stylesheet version="1.0"
  xmlns:xsl="http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform" >
<xsl:output method="text" />
  <xsl:template match="/RECORDS">
    <xsl:for-each select="./RECORD"> Insert INTO tblTest (RECORD)
    VALUES('<xsl:value-of select="Value" />') AND
    </xsl:for-each>
 </xsl:template>
</xsl:stylesheet>

test.xsd
-----------------
<?xml version="1.0" ?>
<xs:schema targetNamespace="http://tempuri.org/WellFormed.xsd"
  xmlns="http://tempuri.org/WellFormed.xsd"
  xmlns:xs="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema"
  attributeFormDefault="qualified"
  elementFormDefault="qualified">
  <xs:element name="Test">
    <xs:complexType>
      <xs:sequence>
        <xs:element name="Name" type="xs:string" minOccurs="0" />
      </xs:sequence>
    </xs:complexType>
  </xs:element>
</xs:schema>



From subs at solution-providers.ie  Sun May 11 03:06:47 2003
From: subs at solution-providers.ie (Mark L. Breen)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 09:06:47 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
References: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIAECCEHAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <000a01c31794$562b1ad0$4e9f7dc2@D8TZHN0J>

Hello All,

I presume that all the above discussions are talking about Jet.  I have been
using these kind of SQL nested / embedded queries for quite a while in SQL
Server / MSDE.  They are brilliant.

You can write a stored proc that does all sorts of SQL checking, you can
nest you selects in Insert statements, and have nested selects within
selects that perform inserts.

You can also do things like

If (a whole load of selects and nested selects)

some condition

then (a whole lot more updates/ inserts or plain ol' selects)

else

(more again updates/ inserts or plain ol' selects)


Since I started using nested selects, I have no need for temp tables or even
virtual tables, If I had to do the work with 10's of 1000' of records, I
would give some consideration to performance, but even still, I guess and
vtable vs a real table vs a nested select must have at least comparable
performance results.

If you have not used then guys, take a look, I think that they are great
FWIW.

Enjoy

Mark





----- Original Message -----




From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 4:13 PM
Subject: RE: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


> I read about this syntax in Access Advisor a couple of years ago. It was
> something a user wrote in for a tip. Ken Getz (tips editor) had the same
> reaction that everyone else seems to have - how did you figure this out?!
He
> couldn't find it documented anywhere.
>
> I pulled it out from my collection a couple of months ago to review it and
> now I can't find that issue! When I find it again I will share it and the
> author's name.
>
> JB
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz, Charles
> > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 9:01 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> >
> >
> > Dave,
> >
> > I have to agree with you.  From the article you cited, we can see how to
> > write regular subqueries.  So why the special []. syntax exists, and
> > what does it do that the regular subquery cannot do, still has not been
> > explained.
> >
> > Maybe somebody that is between projects will take the time to
> > investigate what []. does and will report back to us.  Many-to-Many is
> > always looking for good articles.
> >
> > Charles Wortz
> > Software Development Division
> > Texas Education Agency
> > 1701 N. Congress Ave
> > Austin, TX 78701-1494
> > 512-463-9493
> > CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: davesharpe2 at cox.net [mailto:davesharpe2 at cox.net]
> > Sent: Thursday 2003 May 08 08:41
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: Re: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> > I
> > Charles, I agree.
> >
> > One thing I would like to note that I'm not
> > sure that I see the significance of the
> > "[ ]. syntax" ( while I agree that it works ).
> >
> > I get the same results using the following
> > two queries. ( I regret that my client word-
> > wrapped the examples )
> >
> > ================================
> > 1 - Using [ ].
> > SELECT
> > Count(*) AS DaysUnique
> > FROM
> > [SELECT DISTINCT po_date  FROM LAW70_PURCHORDER]. AS subDistinctDays
> >
> > 2 - Using a normal "SubQuery in the From Clause"
> > SELECT
> > Count(*) AS DaysUnique
> > FROM
> > (SELECT DISTINCT po_date  FROM LAW70_PURCHORDER) AS subDistinctDays
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > >
> > > From: "Wortz, Charles" <CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>
> > > Date: 2003/05/08 Thu AM 08:20:49 EDT
> > > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> > >
> > > Dave,
> > >
> > > Nice article, but it does not discuss the specific type of subquery
> > > that is the subject of the original questioner; namely, the [ ].
> > > syntax for subqueries.
> > >
> > >
> > > Charles Wortz
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: dave sharpe [mailto:davesharpe2 at cox.net]
> > > Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 21:42
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> > >
> > >
> > > Friends I found this on the subject and thought that
> > > it might be of benefit to some members of the group.
> > >
> > > http://www.nesug.org/Proceedings/nesug98/dbas/p005.pdf
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Wortz, Charles <mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:45 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> > >
> > > Also, about a year ago this subject was brought up with about
> > the
> > > same
> > > amount of information documented.
> > >
> > > Charles Wortz
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 11:16
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> > >
> > > But, Gustav, we just created references to it here! <VBG>
> > >
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:51 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Charlotte
> > >
> > > > ..  If you ever find it in help, for goodness sake, post the
> > > reference
> > >
> > > > here!
> > >
> > > I would say: if you ever find any reference to this, post it
> > here.
> > >
> > > /gustav
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> >
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From markH at bitgen.co.uk  Sun May 11 08:47:12 2003
From: markH at bitgen.co.uk (MarkH)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 14:47:12 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Anyone using  the Excel-L list? 
In-Reply-To: <007d01c31626$225e2770$4814a8c0@Comtech.Comtechpst.com>
Message-ID: <005701c317c3$d6264640$d18b4c51@laptop>

Thanks Ron... There must be something wrong with my subscription. I've
had nothing since joining.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ron Moore
Sent: 09 May 2003 13:26
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Anyone using the Excel-L list? 


Mark, I have used this list for some time.  Very active - 4 posts so far
today.

Ron

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MarkH
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:11 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Anyone using the Excel-L list?


Hi All

Sorry for the OT post. I subscribed to the Excel-L list a couple of
wekes ago (saw it mentioned in someone else post) and have so far seen
not a single email. I have checkec my subscription options and it looks
fine. Is it just a very quiet list?

Cheers

Mark

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From markH at bitgen.co.uk  Sun May 11 08:53:55 2003
From: markH at bitgen.co.uk (MarkH)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 14:53:55 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Anyone using  the Excel-L list?
In-Reply-To: <3EBC2239.9030408@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <005801c317c4$c7775020$d18b4c51@laptop>

Thanks Marty... I just got an automated email saying my email address
was incorrect. It's the same that I'm using here and works fine (I
hope)... Will try re-subscribing.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: 09 May 2003 22:49
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Anyone using the Excel-L list?


Check the archives at http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/excel-l.html
on right hand pane there is subscription info

Ron Moore wrote:

>Mark, I have used this list for some time.  Very active - 4 posts so 
>far today.
>
>Ron
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] OT - Anyone using the Excel-L list?
>
>
>Hi All
>
>Sorry for the OT post. I subscribed to the Excel-L list a couple of 
>wekes ago (saw it mentioned in someone else post) and have so far seen 
>not a single email. I have checkec my subscription options and it looks

>fine. Is it just a very quiet list?
>
>Cheers
>
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From markH at bitgen.co.uk  Sun May 11 08:57:26 2003
From: markH at bitgen.co.uk (MarkH)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 14:57:26 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Read-Only Linked ODBC Table?
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F2E@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <005a01c317c5$418865c0$d18b4c51@laptop>

If you are using access security you could set the table to read-only
that way...

Mark

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: 09 May 2003 20:15
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Read-Only Linked ODBC Table?


Unless there is an index on the table it's going to be read only by
default.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Allen [mailto:chizotz at charter.net] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 11:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Read-Only Linked ODBC Table?


Is it possible to use a linked table from a SQL Server 
2000 db in an Acc97 front end and make the linked table 
read only? Seems to me that should be pretty simple to do, 
but I can't seem to find any information on how to do it. 
I'm hoping I'm just missing something obvious.

Thanks,

Ron
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From chizotz at charter.net  Sun May 11 18:29:46 2003
From: chizotz at charter.net (Ron Allen)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 18:29:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Read-Only Linked ODBC Table?
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F2E@infoserver01.infostat.local>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F2E@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <7177050687.20030511182946@charter.net>

Hello Charlotte,

OK, I'll check into that. Maybe I've been running around in circles
for no reason.

Thanks,

Ron

Friday, May 9, 2003, 2:14:40 PM, you wrote:
CF> Unless there is an index on the table it's going to be read only by
CF> default.


From chizotz at charter.net  Sun May 11 18:33:47 2003
From: chizotz at charter.net (Ron Allen)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 18:33:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Read-Only Linked ODBC Table?
In-Reply-To: <005a01c317c5$418865c0$d18b4c51@laptop>
References: <005a01c317c5$418865c0$d18b4c51@laptop>
Message-ID: <191177291937.20030511183347@charter.net>

Hello Mark,

Unfortunately, Access security is not considered secure enough for our
data warehouse manager. The Access app this is for will eventually be
migrated to a VB.net or C# app where this will no longer be an issue.
For now, if I can't guarantee that the table is read-only without
using Access security, I'll have to go a DTS package export file and
import routine. A hassle for all, but doable.

Thanks,

Ron

Sunday, May 11, 2003, 8:57:26 AM, you wrote:
M> If you are using access security you could set the table to read-only
M> that way...


From david.powell at bbm.wapl.com.au  Sun May 11 19:15:15 2003
From: david.powell at bbm.wapl.com.au (Powell, David (BBM))
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 08:15:15 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Read-Only Linked ODBC Table?
Message-ID: <1C66E1A38F4E22499CE329884E3FA8B1406B9A@WAPLMAIL.wapl.com.au>

Ron,

Just set permissions on the table as select only.  Or Set up a guest
account which has select permissions on this table and link via that
account.  We use this method quite successfully.


Regards

David


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Sent: Saturday, 10 May 2003 3:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Read-Only Linked ODBC Table?


Is it possible to use a linked table from a SQL Server 
2000 db in an Acc97 front end and make the linked table 
read only? Seems to me that should be pretty simple to do, 
but I can't seem to find any information on how to do it. 
I'm hoping I'm just missing something obvious.

Thanks,

Ron
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From chizotz at charter.net  Sun May 11 19:51:16 2003
From: chizotz at charter.net (Ron Allen)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 19:51:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Read-Only Linked ODBC Table?
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Thank you David.

I'm not the SQL Sever expert at my company, but I'm learning. Seems to
me that someone there should have seen one of these answers. <shrug> I
appreciate everyone's help.

Ron


Sunday, May 11, 2003, 7:15:15 PM, you wrote:
PDB> Just set permissions on the table as select only.  Or Set up a guest
PDB> account which has select permissions on this table and link via that
PDB> account.  We use this method quite successfully.


From tewksbum at hotmail.com  Sun May 11 21:48:40 2003
From: tewksbum at hotmail.com (Marcus Tewksbury)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 21:48:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
Message-ID: <Law9-F118V3GykBbKP700012ca2@hotmail.com>

Hi everyone,

Ok - here is my issue - I thought I'd be really fancy and start 
encapsulating my tables in data classes - using properites and all that good 
stuff.  One issue that I am having is trying to pass in recordsets (or other 
classes that also contain recordsets) into a class always gives me a Type 
Mismatch or 438 error.

The class files and code behind all reside in the same project.

Any thoughts?  I'm stumped!


Here are 2 snippets

    Dim oInvoiceDetail As New InvoiceDetail
    oInvoiceDetail.Load_byInvoiceID (Me.InvoiceID)

    Dim oOrderDetail As New OrderDetail
    oOrderDetail.Load_byInvoiceDetail (oInvoiceDetail) <-CRASHES HERE

    While Not oOrderDetail.EOF
        oOrderDetail.FilledFlag = False
        oOrderDetail.MoveNext
    Wend

and ...

Public Function Load_byInvoiceDetail(ByVal xInvoiceDetail As InvoiceDetail)

    Dim sstrSQL As String
    Dim sflgNotFirst As Boolean

    sstrSQL = "SELECT * FROM OrderDetail"

    While Not xInvoiceDetail.EOF
        If Not sflgNotFirst Then
            sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " WHERE OrderDetailID = " & 
xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
            sflgNotFirst = True
        Else
            sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " OR (OrderDetailID = " & 
xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
        End If
        xInvoiceDetail.MoveNext
    Wend

    With mrst
        .CursorLocation = adUseClient
        .CursorType = adOpenDynamic
        .LockType = adLockBatchOptimistic
        .Source = sstrSQL
        .Open
    End With

    Call Scatter

End Function

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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Sun May 11 22:09:37 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 23:09:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
References: <Law9-F118V3GykBbKP700012ca2@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000701c31833$ec8fc670$6401a8c0@default>

Marcus,

Has mrst been set = to an ADO recordset
in the Declarations section?

Mike Mattys

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marcus Tewksbury" <tewksbum at hotmail.com>
To: <accessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 10:48 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween


> Hi everyone,
>
> Ok - here is my issue - I thought I'd be really fancy and start
> encapsulating my tables in data classes - using properites and all that
good
> stuff.  One issue that I am having is trying to pass in recordsets (or
other
> classes that also contain recordsets) into a class always gives me a Type
> Mismatch or 438 error.
>
> The class files and code behind all reside in the same project.
>
> Any thoughts?  I'm stumped!
>
>
> Here are 2 snippets
>
>     Dim oInvoiceDetail As New InvoiceDetail
>     oInvoiceDetail.Load_byInvoiceID (Me.InvoiceID)
>
>     Dim oOrderDetail As New OrderDetail
>     oOrderDetail.Load_byInvoiceDetail (oInvoiceDetail) <-CRASHES HERE
>
>     While Not oOrderDetail.EOF
>         oOrderDetail.FilledFlag = False
>         oOrderDetail.MoveNext
>     Wend
>
> and ...
>
> Public Function Load_byInvoiceDetail(ByVal xInvoiceDetail As
InvoiceDetail)
>
>     Dim sstrSQL As String
>     Dim sflgNotFirst As Boolean
>
>     sstrSQL = "SELECT * FROM OrderDetail"
>
>     While Not xInvoiceDetail.EOF
>         If Not sflgNotFirst Then
>             sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " WHERE OrderDetailID = " &
> xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
>             sflgNotFirst = True
>         Else
>             sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " OR (OrderDetailID = " &
> xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
>         End If
>         xInvoiceDetail.MoveNext
>     Wend
>
>     With mrst
>         .CursorLocation = adUseClient
>         .CursorType = adOpenDynamic
>         .LockType = adLockBatchOptimistic
>         .Source = sstrSQL
>         .Open
>     End With
>
>     Call Scatter
>
> End Function
>
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From tewksbum at hotmail.com  Sun May 11 22:58:07 2003
From: tewksbum at hotmail.com (Marcus Tewksbury)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 22:58:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
Message-ID: <Law9-F59DKicUbvBDxr00012fce@hotmail.com>

Yeap

mrst has been declared...

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Private mlngInvoiceDetailID As Long
Private mlngInvoiceID As Long
Private mlngOrderDetailID As Long
Private mlngProductID As Long
Private mintShipped As Integer
Private mintCanceled As Integer
Private mintBackOrdered As Integer
Private mcurExtendedPrice As Currency
Private mflgSubstituteFlag As Boolean
Private mdteDateAdded As Date
Private mdteLastUpdated As Date
Private mflgActiveFlag As Boolean

Private mrst As ADODB.Recordset  <- Here
Private mflgAddFlag As Boolean
Private mflgDirtyFlag As Boolean

The problem seems to be directly related to passing a recordset into the 
class - through a sub or function.  I've tried making

Public Function Load_byInvoiceDetail

a sub and function - and have tried passing byVal and ByRef.  For testing I 
changed the paramter to (xrst as ADODB.recordset) and then passed in a newly 
created, plain recordset and it still bombs.

Of course, another question that stems from this - if you look at what my 
code is trying to accomplish - can you overload the initialize method?  That 
would be helpful!

Thanks a million,

- Tewks





>From: "Michael R Mattys" <michael.mattys at adelphia.net>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
>Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 23:09:37 -0400
>
>Marcus,
>
>Has mrst been set = to an ADO recordset
>in the Declarations section?
>
>Mike Mattys
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Marcus Tewksbury" <tewksbum at hotmail.com>
>To: <accessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 10:48 PM
>Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
>
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Ok - here is my issue - I thought I'd be really fancy and start
> > encapsulating my tables in data classes - using properites and all that
>good
> > stuff.  One issue that I am having is trying to pass in recordsets (or
>other
> > classes that also contain recordsets) into a class always gives me a 
>Type
> > Mismatch or 438 error.
> >
> > The class files and code behind all reside in the same project.
> >
> > Any thoughts?  I'm stumped!
> >
> >
> > Here are 2 snippets
> >
> >     Dim oInvoiceDetail As New InvoiceDetail
> >     oInvoiceDetail.Load_byInvoiceID (Me.InvoiceID)
> >
> >     Dim oOrderDetail As New OrderDetail
> >     oOrderDetail.Load_byInvoiceDetail (oInvoiceDetail) <-CRASHES HERE
> >
> >     While Not oOrderDetail.EOF
> >         oOrderDetail.FilledFlag = False
> >         oOrderDetail.MoveNext
> >     Wend
> >
> > and ...
> >
> > Public Function Load_byInvoiceDetail(ByVal xInvoiceDetail As
>InvoiceDetail)
> >
> >     Dim sstrSQL As String
> >     Dim sflgNotFirst As Boolean
> >
> >     sstrSQL = "SELECT * FROM OrderDetail"
> >
> >     While Not xInvoiceDetail.EOF
> >         If Not sflgNotFirst Then
> >             sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " WHERE OrderDetailID = " &
> > xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
> >             sflgNotFirst = True
> >         Else
> >             sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " OR (OrderDetailID = " &
> > xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
> >         End If
> >         xInvoiceDetail.MoveNext
> >     Wend
> >
> >     With mrst
> >         .CursorLocation = adUseClient
> >         .CursorType = adOpenDynamic
> >         .LockType = adLockBatchOptimistic
> >         .Source = sstrSQL
> >         .Open
> >     End With
> >
> >     Call Scatter
> >
> > End Function
> >
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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Sun May 11 23:02:56 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 13:32:56 +0930
Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A04F@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

lol - we've only finally got overloading and inheritance into VB.Net!  Very
doubtful we can do that in VBA.

I was about to ask if you've tried passing byRef so that ones out the door.

Another wild stab -> but I suppose this is still worth asking.  Haven't
forgot the references to ADO??

Perhaps try declaring mrst with a NEW instance:

Private mrst As *NEW* ADODB.Recordset

...but why would it work for InvoiceDetail and not OrderDetail??

Cheers,
A

-----Original Message-----
From: Marcus Tewksbury [mailto:tewksbum at hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 12 May 2003 1:28 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween


Yeap

mrst has been declared...

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Private mlngInvoiceDetailID As Long
Private mlngInvoiceID As Long
Private mlngOrderDetailID As Long
Private mlngProductID As Long
Private mintShipped As Integer
Private mintCanceled As Integer
Private mintBackOrdered As Integer
Private mcurExtendedPrice As Currency
Private mflgSubstituteFlag As Boolean
Private mdteDateAdded As Date
Private mdteLastUpdated As Date
Private mflgActiveFlag As Boolean

Private mrst As ADODB.Recordset  <- Here
Private mflgAddFlag As Boolean
Private mflgDirtyFlag As Boolean

The problem seems to be directly related to passing a recordset into the 
class - through a sub or function.  I've tried making

Public Function Load_byInvoiceDetail

a sub and function - and have tried passing byVal and ByRef.  For testing I 
changed the paramter to (xrst as ADODB.recordset) and then passed in a newly

created, plain recordset and it still bombs.

Of course, another question that stems from this - if you look at what my 
code is trying to accomplish - can you overload the initialize method?  That

would be helpful!

Thanks a million,

- Tewks





>From: "Michael R Mattys" <michael.mattys at adelphia.net>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
>Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 23:09:37 -0400
>
>Marcus,
>
>Has mrst been set = to an ADO recordset
>in the Declarations section?
>
>Mike Mattys
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Marcus Tewksbury" <tewksbum at hotmail.com>
>To: <accessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 10:48 PM
>Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
>
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Ok - here is my issue - I thought I'd be really fancy and start
> > encapsulating my tables in data classes - using properites and all that
>good
> > stuff.  One issue that I am having is trying to pass in recordsets (or
>other
> > classes that also contain recordsets) into a class always gives me a 
>Type
> > Mismatch or 438 error.
> >
> > The class files and code behind all reside in the same project.
> >
> > Any thoughts?  I'm stumped!
> >
> >
> > Here are 2 snippets
> >
> >     Dim oInvoiceDetail As New InvoiceDetail
> >     oInvoiceDetail.Load_byInvoiceID (Me.InvoiceID)
> >
> >     Dim oOrderDetail As New OrderDetail
> >     oOrderDetail.Load_byInvoiceDetail (oInvoiceDetail) <-CRASHES HERE
> >
> >     While Not oOrderDetail.EOF
> >         oOrderDetail.FilledFlag = False
> >         oOrderDetail.MoveNext
> >     Wend
> >
> > and ...
> >
> > Public Function Load_byInvoiceDetail(ByVal xInvoiceDetail As
>InvoiceDetail)
> >
> >     Dim sstrSQL As String
> >     Dim sflgNotFirst As Boolean
> >
> >     sstrSQL = "SELECT * FROM OrderDetail"
> >
> >     While Not xInvoiceDetail.EOF
> >         If Not sflgNotFirst Then
> >             sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " WHERE OrderDetailID = " &
> > xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
> >             sflgNotFirst = True
> >         Else
> >             sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " OR (OrderDetailID = " &
> > xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
> >         End If
> >         xInvoiceDetail.MoveNext
> >     Wend
> >
> >     With mrst
> >         .CursorLocation = adUseClient
> >         .CursorType = adOpenDynamic
> >         .LockType = adLockBatchOptimistic
> >         .Source = sstrSQL
> >         .Open
> >     End With
> >
> >     Call Scatter
> >
> > End Function
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From tewksbum at hotmail.com  Sun May 11 23:11:45 2003
From: tewksbum at hotmail.com (Marcus Tewksbury)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 23:11:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
Message-ID: <Law9-F48kHT9UaEI8Rv00013020@hotmail.com>

In this case it seems to be something specifically with recordsets - with 
InvoiceDetail I am only passing in an integer - and I;ve tried New'ing the 
recordset in the initialize - I'll give a look into referencing, but I 
haven't had a problem with any other ADO issue until now!

Ugh - this is frustrating!


>From: "Haslett, Andrew" <andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
>Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 13:32:56 +0930
>
>lol - we've only finally got overloading and inheritance into VB.Net!  Very
>doubtful we can do that in VBA.
>
>I was about to ask if you've tried passing byRef so that ones out the door.
>
>Another wild stab -> but I suppose this is still worth asking.  Haven't
>forgot the references to ADO??
>
>Perhaps try declaring mrst with a NEW instance:
>
>Private mrst As *NEW* ADODB.Recordset
>
>...but why would it work for InvoiceDetail and not OrderDetail??
>
>Cheers,
>A
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Marcus Tewksbury [mailto:tewksbum at hotmail.com]
>Sent: Monday, 12 May 2003 1:28 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
>
>
>Yeap
>
>mrst has been declared...
>
>Option Compare Database
>Option Explicit
>
>Private mlngInvoiceDetailID As Long
>Private mlngInvoiceID As Long
>Private mlngOrderDetailID As Long
>Private mlngProductID As Long
>Private mintShipped As Integer
>Private mintCanceled As Integer
>Private mintBackOrdered As Integer
>Private mcurExtendedPrice As Currency
>Private mflgSubstituteFlag As Boolean
>Private mdteDateAdded As Date
>Private mdteLastUpdated As Date
>Private mflgActiveFlag As Boolean
>
>Private mrst As ADODB.Recordset  <- Here
>Private mflgAddFlag As Boolean
>Private mflgDirtyFlag As Boolean
>
>The problem seems to be directly related to passing a recordset into the
>class - through a sub or function.  I've tried making
>
>Public Function Load_byInvoiceDetail
>
>a sub and function - and have tried passing byVal and ByRef.  For testing I
>changed the paramter to (xrst as ADODB.recordset) and then passed in a 
>newly
>
>created, plain recordset and it still bombs.
>
>Of course, another question that stems from this - if you look at what my
>code is trying to accomplish - can you overload the initialize method?  
>That
>
>would be helpful!
>
>Thanks a million,
>
>- Tewks
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Michael R Mattys" <michael.mattys at adelphia.net>
> >Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
> >Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 23:09:37 -0400
> >
> >Marcus,
> >
> >Has mrst been set = to an ADO recordset
> >in the Declarations section?
> >
> >Mike Mattys
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Marcus Tewksbury" <tewksbum at hotmail.com>
> >To: <accessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 10:48 PM
> >Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
> >
> >
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > Ok - here is my issue - I thought I'd be really fancy and start
> > > encapsulating my tables in data classes - using properites and all 
>that
> >good
> > > stuff.  One issue that I am having is trying to pass in recordsets (or
> >other
> > > classes that also contain recordsets) into a class always gives me a
> >Type
> > > Mismatch or 438 error.
> > >
> > > The class files and code behind all reside in the same project.
> > >
> > > Any thoughts?  I'm stumped!
> > >
> > >
> > > Here are 2 snippets
> > >
> > >     Dim oInvoiceDetail As New InvoiceDetail
> > >     oInvoiceDetail.Load_byInvoiceID (Me.InvoiceID)
> > >
> > >     Dim oOrderDetail As New OrderDetail
> > >     oOrderDetail.Load_byInvoiceDetail (oInvoiceDetail) <-CRASHES HERE
> > >
> > >     While Not oOrderDetail.EOF
> > >         oOrderDetail.FilledFlag = False
> > >         oOrderDetail.MoveNext
> > >     Wend
> > >
> > > and ...
> > >
> > > Public Function Load_byInvoiceDetail(ByVal xInvoiceDetail As
> >InvoiceDetail)
> > >
> > >     Dim sstrSQL As String
> > >     Dim sflgNotFirst As Boolean
> > >
> > >     sstrSQL = "SELECT * FROM OrderDetail"
> > >
> > >     While Not xInvoiceDetail.EOF
> > >         If Not sflgNotFirst Then
> > >             sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " WHERE OrderDetailID = " &
> > > xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
> > >             sflgNotFirst = True
> > >         Else
> > >             sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " OR (OrderDetailID = " &
> > > xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
> > >         End If
> > >         xInvoiceDetail.MoveNext
> > >     Wend
> > >
> > >     With mrst
> > >         .CursorLocation = adUseClient
> > >         .CursorType = adOpenDynamic
> > >         .LockType = adLockBatchOptimistic
> > >         .Source = sstrSQL
> > >         .Open
> > >     End With
> > >
> > >     Call Scatter
> > >
> > > End Function
> > >
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From tewksbum at hotmail.com  Sun May 11 23:22:27 2003
From: tewksbum at hotmail.com (Marcus Tewksbury)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 23:22:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween - SOME
	PROGRESS
Message-ID: <Law9-F122yUoRKOHgPB00012e91@hotmail.com>

Well - figured out how to get a recordset in, but now, how to get user 
defined classes?

Public Sub Load_byInvoiceDetail(ByRef msrst As Variant)

    Dim sstrSQL As String
    Dim sflgNotFirst As Boolean

    Dim xInvoiceDetail As ADODB.Recordset
    Set xInvoiceDetail = msrst

Ok - so now I can pass in a recordset as a variant and then cast (sort of) a 
local variable to it.

The calling routine looks like...

    Dim oOrderDetail As New OrderDetail
    oOrderDetail.Load_byInvoiceDetail (oInvoiceDetail.mrstGet()) <- mrstGet 
returns the underlying recordset for the class

    While Not oOrderDetail.EOF
        oOrderDetail.FilledFlag = False
        oOrderDetail.MoveNext
    Wend

    Dim oInventory As New Inventory
    oInventory.Load_byOrderDetail (oOrderDetail.mrstGet())

So, while this will work for recordsets - it doesn't for user defined 
classes - I still get the same error.

So, should I be making the switch to VB.net?




>From: "Marcus Tewksbury" <tewksbum at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
>Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 23:11:45 -0500
>
>In this case it seems to be something specifically with recordsets - with 
>InvoiceDetail I am only passing in an integer - and I;ve tried New'ing the 
>recordset in the initialize - I'll give a look into referencing, but I 
>haven't had a problem with any other ADO issue until now!
>
>Ugh - this is frustrating!
>
>
>>From: "Haslett, Andrew" <andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au>
>>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
>>Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 13:32:56 +0930
>>
>>lol - we've only finally got overloading and inheritance into VB.Net!  
>>Very
>>doubtful we can do that in VBA.
>>
>>I was about to ask if you've tried passing byRef so that ones out the 
>>door.
>>
>>Another wild stab -> but I suppose this is still worth asking.  Haven't
>>forgot the references to ADO??
>>
>>Perhaps try declaring mrst with a NEW instance:
>>
>>Private mrst As *NEW* ADODB.Recordset
>>
>>...but why would it work for InvoiceDetail and not OrderDetail??
>>
>>Cheers,
>>A
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Marcus Tewksbury [mailto:tewksbum at hotmail.com]
>>Sent: Monday, 12 May 2003 1:28 PM
>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
>>
>>
>>Yeap
>>
>>mrst has been declared...
>>
>>Option Compare Database
>>Option Explicit
>>
>>Private mlngInvoiceDetailID As Long
>>Private mlngInvoiceID As Long
>>Private mlngOrderDetailID As Long
>>Private mlngProductID As Long
>>Private mintShipped As Integer
>>Private mintCanceled As Integer
>>Private mintBackOrdered As Integer
>>Private mcurExtendedPrice As Currency
>>Private mflgSubstituteFlag As Boolean
>>Private mdteDateAdded As Date
>>Private mdteLastUpdated As Date
>>Private mflgActiveFlag As Boolean
>>
>>Private mrst As ADODB.Recordset  <- Here
>>Private mflgAddFlag As Boolean
>>Private mflgDirtyFlag As Boolean
>>
>>The problem seems to be directly related to passing a recordset into the
>>class - through a sub or function.  I've tried making
>>
>>Public Function Load_byInvoiceDetail
>>
>>a sub and function - and have tried passing byVal and ByRef.  For testing 
>>I
>>changed the paramter to (xrst as ADODB.recordset) and then passed in a 
>>newly
>>
>>created, plain recordset and it still bombs.
>>
>>Of course, another question that stems from this - if you look at what my
>>code is trying to accomplish - can you overload the initialize method?  
>>That
>>
>>would be helpful!
>>
>>Thanks a million,
>>
>>- Tewks
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >From: "Michael R Mattys" <michael.mattys at adelphia.net>
>> >Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> >To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
>> >Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 23:09:37 -0400
>> >
>> >Marcus,
>> >
>> >Has mrst been set = to an ADO recordset
>> >in the Declarations section?
>> >
>> >Mike Mattys
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Marcus Tewksbury" <tewksbum at hotmail.com>
>> >To: <accessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>> >Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 10:48 PM
>> >Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
>> >
>> >
>> > > Hi everyone,
>> > >
>> > > Ok - here is my issue - I thought I'd be really fancy and start
>> > > encapsulating my tables in data classes - using properites and all 
>>that
>> >good
>> > > stuff.  One issue that I am having is trying to pass in recordsets 
>>(or
>> >other
>> > > classes that also contain recordsets) into a class always gives me a
>> >Type
>> > > Mismatch or 438 error.
>> > >
>> > > The class files and code behind all reside in the same project.
>> > >
>> > > Any thoughts?  I'm stumped!
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Here are 2 snippets
>> > >
>> > >     Dim oInvoiceDetail As New InvoiceDetail
>> > >     oInvoiceDetail.Load_byInvoiceID (Me.InvoiceID)
>> > >
>> > >     Dim oOrderDetail As New OrderDetail
>> > >     oOrderDetail.Load_byInvoiceDetail (oInvoiceDetail) <-CRASHES HERE
>> > >
>> > >     While Not oOrderDetail.EOF
>> > >         oOrderDetail.FilledFlag = False
>> > >         oOrderDetail.MoveNext
>> > >     Wend
>> > >
>> > > and ...
>> > >
>> > > Public Function Load_byInvoiceDetail(ByVal xInvoiceDetail As
>> >InvoiceDetail)
>> > >
>> > >     Dim sstrSQL As String
>> > >     Dim sflgNotFirst As Boolean
>> > >
>> > >     sstrSQL = "SELECT * FROM OrderDetail"
>> > >
>> > >     While Not xInvoiceDetail.EOF
>> > >         If Not sflgNotFirst Then
>> > >             sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " WHERE OrderDetailID = " &
>> > > xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
>> > >             sflgNotFirst = True
>> > >         Else
>> > >             sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " OR (OrderDetailID = " &
>> > > xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
>> > >         End If
>> > >         xInvoiceDetail.MoveNext
>> > >     Wend
>> > >
>> > >     With mrst
>> > >         .CursorLocation = adUseClient
>> > >         .CursorType = adOpenDynamic
>> > >         .LockType = adLockBatchOptimistic
>> > >         .Source = sstrSQL
>> > >         .Open
>> > >     End With
>> > >
>> > >     Call Scatter
>> > >
>> > > End Function
>> > >
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon May 12 04:28:08 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 02:28:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
In-Reply-To: <Law9-F118V3GykBbKP700012ca2@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFMEDCCIAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Marcus:

Have you declare your class?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Marcus
Tewksbury
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 7:49 PM
To: accessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween


Hi everyone,

Ok - here is my issue - I thought I'd be really fancy and start
encapsulating my tables in data classes - using properites and all that good
stuff.  One issue that I am having is trying to pass in recordsets (or other
classes that also contain recordsets) into a class always gives me a Type
Mismatch or 438 error.

The class files and code behind all reside in the same project.

Any thoughts?  I'm stumped!


Here are 2 snippets

    Dim oInvoiceDetail As New InvoiceDetail
    oInvoiceDetail.Load_byInvoiceID (Me.InvoiceID)

    Dim oOrderDetail As New OrderDetail
    oOrderDetail.Load_byInvoiceDetail (oInvoiceDetail) <-CRASHES HERE

    While Not oOrderDetail.EOF
        oOrderDetail.FilledFlag = False
        oOrderDetail.MoveNext
    Wend

and ...

Public Function Load_byInvoiceDetail(ByVal xInvoiceDetail As InvoiceDetail)

    Dim sstrSQL As String
    Dim sflgNotFirst As Boolean

    sstrSQL = "SELECT * FROM OrderDetail"

    While Not xInvoiceDetail.EOF
        If Not sflgNotFirst Then
            sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " WHERE OrderDetailID = " &
xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
            sflgNotFirst = True
        Else
            sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " OR (OrderDetailID = " &
xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
        End If
        xInvoiceDetail.MoveNext
    Wend

    With mrst
        .CursorLocation = adUseClient
        .CursorType = adOpenDynamic
        .LockType = adLockBatchOptimistic
        .Source = sstrSQL
        .Open
    End With

    Call Scatter

End Function

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon May 12 04:28:09 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 02:28:09 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
In-Reply-To: <Law9-F59DKicUbvBDxr00012fce@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFOEDCCIAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Marcus:

Don't you have to class get method to pass a recordset to the class? You
have referenced the ADO?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Marcus
Tewksbury
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 8:58 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween


Yeap

mrst has been declared...

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Private mlngInvoiceDetailID As Long
Private mlngInvoiceID As Long
Private mlngOrderDetailID As Long
Private mlngProductID As Long
Private mintShipped As Integer
Private mintCanceled As Integer
Private mintBackOrdered As Integer
Private mcurExtendedPrice As Currency
Private mflgSubstituteFlag As Boolean
Private mdteDateAdded As Date
Private mdteLastUpdated As Date
Private mflgActiveFlag As Boolean

Private mrst As ADODB.Recordset  <- Here
Private mflgAddFlag As Boolean
Private mflgDirtyFlag As Boolean

The problem seems to be directly related to passing a recordset into the
class - through a sub or function.  I've tried making

Public Function Load_byInvoiceDetail

a sub and function - and have tried passing byVal and ByRef.  For testing I
changed the paramter to (xrst as ADODB.recordset) and then passed in a newly
created, plain recordset and it still bombs.

Of course, another question that stems from this - if you look at what my
code is trying to accomplish - can you overload the initialize method?  That
would be helpful!

Thanks a million,

- Tewks





>From: "Michael R Mattys" <michael.mattys at adelphia.net>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
>Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 23:09:37 -0400
>
>Marcus,
>
>Has mrst been set = to an ADO recordset
>in the Declarations section?
>
>Mike Mattys
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Marcus Tewksbury" <tewksbum at hotmail.com>
>To: <accessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 10:48 PM
>Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
>
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Ok - here is my issue - I thought I'd be really fancy and start
> > encapsulating my tables in data classes - using properites and all that
>good
> > stuff.  One issue that I am having is trying to pass in recordsets (or
>other
> > classes that also contain recordsets) into a class always gives me a
>Type
> > Mismatch or 438 error.
> >
> > The class files and code behind all reside in the same project.
> >
> > Any thoughts?  I'm stumped!
> >
> >
> > Here are 2 snippets
> >
> >     Dim oInvoiceDetail As New InvoiceDetail
> >     oInvoiceDetail.Load_byInvoiceID (Me.InvoiceID)
> >
> >     Dim oOrderDetail As New OrderDetail
> >     oOrderDetail.Load_byInvoiceDetail (oInvoiceDetail) <-CRASHES HERE
> >
> >     While Not oOrderDetail.EOF
> >         oOrderDetail.FilledFlag = False
> >         oOrderDetail.MoveNext
> >     Wend
> >
> > and ...
> >
> > Public Function Load_byInvoiceDetail(ByVal xInvoiceDetail As
>InvoiceDetail)
> >
> >     Dim sstrSQL As String
> >     Dim sflgNotFirst As Boolean
> >
> >     sstrSQL = "SELECT * FROM OrderDetail"
> >
> >     While Not xInvoiceDetail.EOF
> >         If Not sflgNotFirst Then
> >             sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " WHERE OrderDetailID = " &
> > xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
> >             sflgNotFirst = True
> >         Else
> >             sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " OR (OrderDetailID = " &
> > xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
> >         End If
> >         xInvoiceDetail.MoveNext
> >     Wend
> >
> >     With mrst
> >         .CursorLocation = adUseClient
> >         .CursorType = adOpenDynamic
> >         .LockType = adLockBatchOptimistic
> >         .Source = sstrSQL
> >         .Open
> >     End With
> >
> >     Call Scatter
> >
> > End Function
> >
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon May 12 04:38:54 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 02:38:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets,
 and problems inbetween - SOME	PROGRESS
In-Reply-To: <Law9-F122yUoRKOHgPB00012e91@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFIEDDCIAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Marcus:

I have been using code like:

Dim rsExpiredCards As New ADODB.Recordset

Set rsExpiredCards = ExpiredCards().Clone
With rsExpiredCards
	....

Public Function ExpiredCards() As ADODB.Recordset

	Set ExpiredCards = New ADODB.Recordset
	..... fill recordset

End function

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Marcus
Tewksbury
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 9:22 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween -
SOME PROGRESS


Well - figured out how to get a recordset in, but now, how to get user
defined classes?

Public Sub Load_byInvoiceDetail(ByRef msrst As Variant)

    Dim sstrSQL As String
    Dim sflgNotFirst As Boolean

    Dim xInvoiceDetail As ADODB.Recordset
    Set xInvoiceDetail = msrst

Ok - so now I can pass in a recordset as a variant and then cast (sort of) a
local variable to it.

The calling routine looks like...

    Dim oOrderDetail As New OrderDetail
    oOrderDetail.Load_byInvoiceDetail (oInvoiceDetail.mrstGet()) <- mrstGet
returns the underlying recordset for the class

    While Not oOrderDetail.EOF
        oOrderDetail.FilledFlag = False
        oOrderDetail.MoveNext
    Wend

    Dim oInventory As New Inventory
    oInventory.Load_byOrderDetail (oOrderDetail.mrstGet())

So, while this will work for recordsets - it doesn't for user defined
classes - I still get the same error.

So, should I be making the switch to VB.net?




>From: "Marcus Tewksbury" <tewksbum at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
>Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 23:11:45 -0500
>
>In this case it seems to be something specifically with recordsets - with
>InvoiceDetail I am only passing in an integer - and I;ve tried New'ing the
>recordset in the initialize - I'll give a look into referencing, but I
>haven't had a problem with any other ADO issue until now!
>
>Ugh - this is frustrating!
>
>
>>From: "Haslett, Andrew" <andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au>
>>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
>>Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 13:32:56 +0930
>>
>>lol - we've only finally got overloading and inheritance into VB.Net!
>>Very
>>doubtful we can do that in VBA.
>>
>>I was about to ask if you've tried passing byRef so that ones out the
>>door.
>>
>>Another wild stab -> but I suppose this is still worth asking.  Haven't
>>forgot the references to ADO??
>>
>>Perhaps try declaring mrst with a NEW instance:
>>
>>Private mrst As *NEW* ADODB.Recordset
>>
>>...but why would it work for InvoiceDetail and not OrderDetail??
>>
>>Cheers,
>>A
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Marcus Tewksbury [mailto:tewksbum at hotmail.com]
>>Sent: Monday, 12 May 2003 1:28 PM
>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
>>
>>
>>Yeap
>>
>>mrst has been declared...
>>
>>Option Compare Database
>>Option Explicit
>>
>>Private mlngInvoiceDetailID As Long
>>Private mlngInvoiceID As Long
>>Private mlngOrderDetailID As Long
>>Private mlngProductID As Long
>>Private mintShipped As Integer
>>Private mintCanceled As Integer
>>Private mintBackOrdered As Integer
>>Private mcurExtendedPrice As Currency
>>Private mflgSubstituteFlag As Boolean
>>Private mdteDateAdded As Date
>>Private mdteLastUpdated As Date
>>Private mflgActiveFlag As Boolean
>>
>>Private mrst As ADODB.Recordset  <- Here
>>Private mflgAddFlag As Boolean
>>Private mflgDirtyFlag As Boolean
>>
>>The problem seems to be directly related to passing a recordset into the
>>class - through a sub or function.  I've tried making
>>
>>Public Function Load_byInvoiceDetail
>>
>>a sub and function - and have tried passing byVal and ByRef.  For testing
>>I
>>changed the paramter to (xrst as ADODB.recordset) and then passed in a
>>newly
>>
>>created, plain recordset and it still bombs.
>>
>>Of course, another question that stems from this - if you look at what my
>>code is trying to accomplish - can you overload the initialize method?
>>That
>>
>>would be helpful!
>>
>>Thanks a million,
>>
>>- Tewks
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >From: "Michael R Mattys" <michael.mattys at adelphia.net>
>> >Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> >To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
>> >Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 23:09:37 -0400
>> >
>> >Marcus,
>> >
>> >Has mrst been set = to an ADO recordset
>> >in the Declarations section?
>> >
>> >Mike Mattys
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Marcus Tewksbury" <tewksbum at hotmail.com>
>> >To: <accessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>> >Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 10:48 PM
>> >Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
>> >
>> >
>> > > Hi everyone,
>> > >
>> > > Ok - here is my issue - I thought I'd be really fancy and start
>> > > encapsulating my tables in data classes - using properites and all
>>that
>> >good
>> > > stuff.  One issue that I am having is trying to pass in recordsets
>>(or
>> >other
>> > > classes that also contain recordsets) into a class always gives me a
>> >Type
>> > > Mismatch or 438 error.
>> > >
>> > > The class files and code behind all reside in the same project.
>> > >
>> > > Any thoughts?  I'm stumped!
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Here are 2 snippets
>> > >
>> > >     Dim oInvoiceDetail As New InvoiceDetail
>> > >     oInvoiceDetail.Load_byInvoiceID (Me.InvoiceID)
>> > >
>> > >     Dim oOrderDetail As New OrderDetail
>> > >     oOrderDetail.Load_byInvoiceDetail (oInvoiceDetail) <-CRASHES HERE
>> > >
>> > >     While Not oOrderDetail.EOF
>> > >         oOrderDetail.FilledFlag = False
>> > >         oOrderDetail.MoveNext
>> > >     Wend
>> > >
>> > > and ...
>> > >
>> > > Public Function Load_byInvoiceDetail(ByVal xInvoiceDetail As
>> >InvoiceDetail)
>> > >
>> > >     Dim sstrSQL As String
>> > >     Dim sflgNotFirst As Boolean
>> > >
>> > >     sstrSQL = "SELECT * FROM OrderDetail"
>> > >
>> > >     While Not xInvoiceDetail.EOF
>> > >         If Not sflgNotFirst Then
>> > >             sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " WHERE OrderDetailID = " &
>> > > xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
>> > >             sflgNotFirst = True
>> > >         Else
>> > >             sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " OR (OrderDetailID = " &
>> > > xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
>> > >         End If
>> > >         xInvoiceDetail.MoveNext
>> > >     Wend
>> > >
>> > >     With mrst
>> > >         .CursorLocation = adUseClient
>> > >         .CursorType = adOpenDynamic
>> > >         .LockType = adLockBatchOptimistic
>> > >         .Source = sstrSQL
>> > >         .Open
>> > >     End With
>> > >
>> > >     Call Scatter
>> > >
>> > > End Function
>> > >
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From Alun.Garraway at otto.de  Mon May 12 05:24:53 2003
From: Alun.Garraway at otto.de (Garraway, Alun)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:24:53 +0200
Subject: AW: [AccessD] OT - Anyone using  the Excel-L list? 
Message-ID: <9F7DD6E5DB1ED611B4B10002A542365C013AE352@ntovmail05.ov.otto.de>

hi,

over the weekend there were about 100 posts.

also saw your post "Anyone out there?"
which recieved 3 or 4 replies.

alun

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: MarkH [mailto:markH at bitgen.co.uk]
Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Mai 2003 11:11
An: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Betreff: [AccessD] OT - Anyone using the Excel-L list? 


Hi All

Sorry for the OT post. I subscribed to the Excel-L list a couple of
wekes ago (saw it mentioned in someone else post) and have so far seen
not a single email. I have checkec my subscription options and it looks
fine. Is it just a very quiet list?

Cheers

Mark

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From MarkH at bitgen.co.uk  Mon May 12 05:31:45 2003
From: MarkH at bitgen.co.uk (Mark H)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:31:45 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Anyone using  the Excel-L list? 
In-Reply-To: <9F7DD6E5DB1ED611B4B10002A542365C013AE352@ntovmail05.ov.otto.de>
Message-ID: <000301c31871$afa345f0$2239fc3e@netboxxp>

Cheers Alun

I have tried re-subscribing and still no joy :o(

I'm using exactly the same details as with this list too

Thanks

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Garraway,
Alun
Sent: 12 May 2003 11:25
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: AW: [AccessD] OT - Anyone using the Excel-L list? 


hi,

over the weekend there were about 100 posts.

also saw your post "Anyone out there?"
which recieved 3 or 4 replies.

alun

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: MarkH [mailto:markH at bitgen.co.uk]
Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Mai 2003 11:11
An: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Betreff: [AccessD] OT - Anyone using the Excel-L list? 


Hi All

Sorry for the OT post. I subscribed to the Excel-L list a couple of
wekes ago (saw it mentioned in someone else post) and have so far seen
not a single email. I have checkec my subscription options and it looks
fine. Is it just a very quiet list?

Cheers

Mark

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From ryan.smethurst at bromley.gov.uk  Mon May 12 05:53:48 2003
From: ryan.smethurst at bromley.gov.uk (Smethurst, Ryan)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:53:48 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Compacting problem
Message-ID: <F4FD32CEB33B314B9187B3A6599B3D6E891CEE@lbbx2ktemp1.corp.int.bromley.gov.uk>

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Hi All,
 
I have an A2K database that has been working fine but recently seems to have
a problem when compacting (on exit).  I'm getting an error message 'Could
not find field 'description' and the compact is then stopping.
 
Does anyone know why?
 
Or how I can find out where that field is meant to be? 
 
TIA
 
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Mon May 12 05:59:54 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:59:54 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Compacting problem
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039568E4@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

I don't know about the compact error, but for hunting down fields/controls
causing errors, I'd recommend Rick Fisher's Find & Replace utility
(www.rickworld.com <http://www.rickworld.com> ).
 
Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Smethurst, Ryan [mailto:ryan.smethurst at bromley.gov.uk] 
Sent: 12 May 2003 11:54
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Compacting problem



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Hi All,
 
I have an A2K database that has been working fine but recently seems to have
a problem when compacting (on exit).  I'm getting an error message 'Could
not find field 'description' and the compact is then stopping.
 
Does anyone know why?
 
Or how I can find out where that field is meant to be? 
 
TIA
 
RyanS

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From ryan.smethurst at bromley.gov.uk  Mon May 12 06:19:33 2003
From: ryan.smethurst at bromley.gov.uk (Smethurst, Ryan)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:19:33 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Compacting problem
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Thanks Roz,
 
Will try that.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 12 May 2003 12:00
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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Compacting problem



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I don't know about the compact error, but for hunting down fields/controls
causing errors, I'd recommend Rick Fisher's Find & Replace utility (
www.rickworld.com <http://www.rickworld.com> ).
 
Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Smethurst, Ryan [mailto:ryan.smethurst at bromley.gov.uk] 
Sent: 12 May 2003 11:54
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Compacting problem



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Hi All,
 
I have an A2K database that has been working fine but recently seems to have
a problem when compacting (on exit).  I'm getting an error message 'Could
not find field 'description' and the compact is then stopping.
 
Does anyone know why?
 
Or how I can find out where that field is meant to be? 
 
TIA
 
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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Mon May 12 06:21:44 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 07:21:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SourceSafe and Access97 - again.
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30333163@ADGSERVER>

Hi,

Seven of the nine have things in common with each other.

Thanks,
Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz, Charles
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:45 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SourceSafe and Access97 - again.


Bobby,

Is there anything in common about these 9 queries?  Such as do they all
have a table in common?  If you can determine what they all have in
common, then you can narrow down your search for the problem.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 13:41
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] SourceSafe and Access97 - again.

Hi all,

I posted on this a while back and got a few answers.  I followed the
suggestions about building from SS instead of "get latest."  But I am
still having problems.

Basically, I have this FE in SS.  When I do a "create database from
SourceSafe project", there are these 9 queries (out of several hundred)
that always are empty.  Get latest does not bring the data down.
Basically, I have resorted to backing up the queries in another DB
before doing a create database from SS.  I then have to manually cut and
paste the SQL from the queries between the 2 databases.  A royal PIA!

Anyone have any suggestions as to why this may be happening?  It is the
same set of queries every time.  Any suggestions on how to fix this
issue?

Thanks,
Bobby
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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Mon May 12 06:24:56 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 07:24:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SourceSafe and Access97 - again.
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30333164@ADGSERVER>

Hi Charlotte,

Empty, as when you create a new query.  There is nothing in it except for
the standard "Select;".

We are always putting out point releases for this app as they always want
more added.  Each time I do a release, I create a new SS project.  I have
not tried to delete the objects out of SS and re-adding them.  I will give
that a try.

The weird thing is, once I put them back in, I can check them out, modify,
and pout them back and all is well.

Thanks,
Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:14 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SourceSafe and Access97 - again.


What do you mean by "always empty"?  You mean they don't get created in
the database or they don't work properly or what?    You might try
deleting those queries from the SS project entirely or at least renaming
them.  Then create a new database from source safe and add the queries
back as new objects, creating them from scratch.  If you delete the old
ones instead of renaming, then don't allow the project to recover the
old version, make it accept the new one.  See if that makes a
difference.   

Occasionally, a SS project becomes corrupt and the only thing you can do
is create a new project from a working version of the application that
is outside of source safe.  Unfortunately, you lose your history that
way, but that's better than the alternatives.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 10:41 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] SourceSafe and Access97 - again.


Hi all,

I posted on this a while back and got a few answers.  I followed the
suggestions about building from SS instead of "get latest."  But I am
still having problems.

Basically, I have this FE in SS.  When I do a "create database from
SourceSafe project", there are these 9 queries (out of several hundred)
that always are empty.  Get latest does not bring the data down.
Basically, I have resorted to backing up the queries in another DB
before doing a create database from SS.  I then have to manually cut and
paste the SQL from the queries between the 2 databases.  A royal PIA!

Anyone have any suggestions as to why this may be happening?  It is the
same set of queries every time.  Any suggestions on how to fix this
issue?

Thanks,
Bobby
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From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Mon May 12 07:15:32 2003
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 08:15:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] subreport parent
Message-ID: <007b01c31880$2fc92de0$a2c50a44@hr.cox.net>

In an Access 97 database, I have a subreport that is used by 2 different "parent" reports.  In the subreport code, how can I determine which parent I am using at the time?  I have tried a variety of syntax, but nothing will return the name of the parent report.

Thanks,
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon May 12 07:23:03 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 08:23:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
In-Reply-To: <Law9-F59DKicUbvBDxr00012fce@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEKMDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Overloading definitely is not supported in Access VBA.

I have passed DAO databases and recordsets into functions so I know that
works.  I can't imagine that the same wouldn't work for ADO.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Marcus
Tewksbury
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 11:58 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween


Yeap

mrst has been declared...

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Private mlngInvoiceDetailID As Long
Private mlngInvoiceID As Long
Private mlngOrderDetailID As Long
Private mlngProductID As Long
Private mintShipped As Integer
Private mintCanceled As Integer
Private mintBackOrdered As Integer
Private mcurExtendedPrice As Currency
Private mflgSubstituteFlag As Boolean
Private mdteDateAdded As Date
Private mdteLastUpdated As Date
Private mflgActiveFlag As Boolean

Private mrst As ADODB.Recordset  <- Here
Private mflgAddFlag As Boolean
Private mflgDirtyFlag As Boolean

The problem seems to be directly related to passing a recordset into the
class - through a sub or function.  I've tried making

Public Function Load_byInvoiceDetail

a sub and function - and have tried passing byVal and ByRef.  For testing I
changed the paramter to (xrst as ADODB.recordset) and then passed in a newly
created, plain recordset and it still bombs.

Of course, another question that stems from this - if you look at what my
code is trying to accomplish - can you overload the initialize method?  That
would be helpful!

Thanks a million,

- Tewks





>From: "Michael R Mattys" <michael.mattys at adelphia.net>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
>Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 23:09:37 -0400
>
>Marcus,
>
>Has mrst been set = to an ADO recordset
>in the Declarations section?
>
>Mike Mattys
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Marcus Tewksbury" <tewksbum at hotmail.com>
>To: <accessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 10:48 PM
>Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
>
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Ok - here is my issue - I thought I'd be really fancy and start
> > encapsulating my tables in data classes - using properites and all that
>good
> > stuff.  One issue that I am having is trying to pass in recordsets (or
>other
> > classes that also contain recordsets) into a class always gives me a
>Type
> > Mismatch or 438 error.
> >
> > The class files and code behind all reside in the same project.
> >
> > Any thoughts?  I'm stumped!
> >
> >
> > Here are 2 snippets
> >
> >     Dim oInvoiceDetail As New InvoiceDetail
> >     oInvoiceDetail.Load_byInvoiceID (Me.InvoiceID)
> >
> >     Dim oOrderDetail As New OrderDetail
> >     oOrderDetail.Load_byInvoiceDetail (oInvoiceDetail) <-CRASHES HERE
> >
> >     While Not oOrderDetail.EOF
> >         oOrderDetail.FilledFlag = False
> >         oOrderDetail.MoveNext
> >     Wend
> >
> > and ...
> >
> > Public Function Load_byInvoiceDetail(ByVal xInvoiceDetail As
>InvoiceDetail)
> >
> >     Dim sstrSQL As String
> >     Dim sflgNotFirst As Boolean
> >
> >     sstrSQL = "SELECT * FROM OrderDetail"
> >
> >     While Not xInvoiceDetail.EOF
> >         If Not sflgNotFirst Then
> >             sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " WHERE OrderDetailID = " &
> > xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
> >             sflgNotFirst = True
> >         Else
> >             sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " OR (OrderDetailID = " &
> > xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
> >         End If
> >         xInvoiceDetail.MoveNext
> >     Wend
> >
> >     With mrst
> >         .CursorLocation = adUseClient
> >         .CursorType = adOpenDynamic
> >         .LockType = adLockBatchOptimistic
> >         .Source = sstrSQL
> >         .Open
> >     End With
> >
> >     Call Scatter
> >
> > End Function
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From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Mon May 12 07:26:50 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 14:26:50 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] subreport parent
References: <007b01c31880$2fc92de0$a2c50a44@hr.cox.net>
Message-ID: <341001c31881$c3b60680$0300a8c0@S856>

me.parent.name gives you the name of the parent report (at least for forms it works)
Lembit Soobik

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Barbara Ryan 
  To: Access List 
  Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 2:15 PM
  Subject: [AccessD] subreport parent


  In an Access 97 database, I have a subreport that is used by 2 different "parent" reports.  In the subreport code, how can I determine which parent I am using at the time?  I have tried a variety of syntax, but nothing will return the name of the parent report.

  Thanks,
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon May 12 07:35:50 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 14:35:50 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEKMDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEKMDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <6722524107.20030512143550@cactus.dk>

Hi John

> Overloading definitely is not supported in Access VBA.

Just thinking logically:
If that was the case it wouldn't be overloading?

(Guess I'm showing that I have no idea of what overloading in VB is
about).

/gustav


From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Mon May 12 07:39:11 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 07:39:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] subreport parent
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357E3@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Barb,

If Lembit's suggestion doesn't work, then I suggest you pass the name of
the calling report as a parameter to the called report.

Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
-----Original Message-----
From: Lembit Soobik [mailto:Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de] 
Sent: Monday 2003 May 12 07:27
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] subreport parent


me.parent.name gives you the name of the parent report (at least for
forms it works)
Lembit Soobik

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Barbara Ryan 
To: Access List 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 2:15 PM
Subject: [AccessD] subreport parent


In an Access 97 database, I have a subreport that is used by 2 different
"parent" reports.  In the subreport code, how can I determine which
parent I am using at the time?  I have tried a variety of syntax, but
nothing will return the name of the parent report.

Thanks,
Barb

From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Mon May 12 07:47:38 2003
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 08:47:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] subreport parent
References: <007b01c31880$2fc92de0$a2c50a44@hr.cox.net>
	<341001c31881$c3b60680$0300a8c0@S856>
Message-ID: <009a01c31884$abc6fb80$a2c50a44@hr.cox.net>

Thanks, Lembit....that did it......................Barb
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Lembit Soobik 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 8:26 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] subreport parent


  me.parent.name gives you the name of the parent report (at least for forms it works)
  Lembit Soobik

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Barbara Ryan 
    To: Access List 
    Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 2:15 PM
    Subject: [AccessD] subreport parent


    In an Access 97 database, I have a subreport that is used by 2 different "parent" reports.  In the subreport code, how can I determine which parent I am using at the time?  I have tried a variety of syntax, but nothing will return the name of the parent report.

    Thanks,
    Barb


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon May 12 07:51:50 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 08:51:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
In-Reply-To: <6722524107.20030512143550@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEKPDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Gustav

With true OO with inheritance, a function that is available in the parent
class can be replaced in the child class so that whatever functionality the
parent's function provided can be overriden.  Overloading is a method of
performing this processing in the class, but further allows the parameters
passed in to the class to be replaced as well.  For example FunctionA in one
child class may accept an integer, in another it may accept a real.  Since
the parameters are different, the correct child class can automatically be
selected by the runtime based on the type of data passed in.  If I am
passing in an integer I must be intending to use that specific child class,
whereas if I pass in a float I must intend to use this other child.

Since Access only has interface inheritance, it doesn't implement any of the
OO stuff of more powerful languages (such as VB.Net), and all discussions of
such capabilities is moot.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 8:36 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween


Hi John

> Overloading definitely is not supported in Access VBA.

Just thinking logically:
If that was the case it wouldn't be overloading?

(Guess I'm showing that I have no idea of what overloading in VB is
about).

/gustav

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From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Mon May 12 07:56:15 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 14:56:15 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] subreport parent
References: 	<007b01c31880$2fc92de0$a2c50a44@hr.cox.net><341001c31881$c3b60680$0300a8c0@S856>
	<009a01c31884$abc6fb80$a2c50a44@hr.cox.net>
Message-ID: <344c01c31885$dff26e70$0300a8c0@S856>

:-))
Lembit Soobik

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Barbara Ryan 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 2:47 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] subreport parent


  Thanks, Lembit....that did it......................Barb
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Lembit Soobik 
    To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
    Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 8:26 AM
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] subreport parent


    me.parent.name gives you the name of the parent report (at least for forms it works)
    Lembit Soobik

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Barbara Ryan 
      To: Access List 
      Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 2:15 PM
      Subject: [AccessD] subreport parent


      In an Access 97 database, I have a subreport that is used by 2 different "parent" reports.  In the subreport code, how can I determine which parent I am using at the time?  I have tried a variety of syntax, but nothing will return the name of the parent report.

      Thanks,
      Barb


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From mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com  Mon May 12 09:26:34 2003
From: mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com (Mark Whittinghill)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 08:26:34 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Downgrading to ODE 2000
References: <000701c31654$d2562230$0400000a@PASCAL> <3EBC2ACA.60106@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <02d201c31892$7d864830$0400000a@PASCAL>

OK, thanks.  I thought that things may have changed, but I had problems with
the legalese.

Mark Whittinghill
Symphony Information Services
612-333-1311
mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Downgrading to ODE 2000


> They changed the option, you can only get a downgrade if you have a
> minimum 5 unit volume license.
> http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/downloads/downgrade_rights.doc
> http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/downloads/downgrade_chart.doc
> or search for downgrade
> http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/resources/volbrief.asp
>
>  That leaves you with 2 options.
>
> 1. Buy from a reseller. They usually pick up multiple copies from
> governments or bankruptcies (a lot of dot com's out there)
> Try places like
> http://www.viosoftware.com
>  Office 2000 pro around $400 US or developers edition $ 600
> Buying off E-Bay may get you lower prices but you may get a CD and
> directions to a warez site for a key hack.
>
> 2. MS Part #: 534-02125  -  MSDN Universal 7.0 Subscription
>
> The MSDN Universal includes nearly $48,000 worth of software. Developer's
> versions of Office 97/2000/XP, Windows 95/98/2000/XP, SQL Server 7.0/2000,
> Windows Server, .NET beta/2000, Exchange Server 5.5/2000, BizTalk Server,
> Project 2002 and Visio 2002 are included (Plus much more!). You will
> receive 12 months of Subscriptions services including monthly and beta
> shipments, access to the Subscriber's web site, 4 technical support
> incidents,
>  Price for Professional edition is around $1100 and with a $300 mail
> rebate on DVD purchase.
> You may have to download old versions of office from MSDN site as ISO
> images and burn to a CD.
>
>
> Mark Whittinghill wrote:
>
> >Does M$ have a downgrade option to get ODE 2000 if you have the XP
version?
> >I looked on the site and can't figure out the legalese.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Mark Whittinghill
> >Symphony Information Services
> >612-333-1311
> >mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
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From artful at rogers.com  Mon May 12 08:28:01 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:28:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEKPDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00c901c3188a$4f5f6070$8e01a8c0@Rock>

Not quite, JC. Overloading means that a single method name can have several
signatures. The second through nth overload need not be in a child class.
Any given class, for example, could have two or more Init() methods: one
that takes no parameters, one that accepts say an int and a string, and a
third that accepts an int, a string and a date. The rules of overloading
are: you cannot have two methods with identical signatures. If you create a
child method with the same name as a parent method, that calls the parent
method either before or after running its own code, that is not overloading;
that is extending.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: May 12, 2003 8:52 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween


Gustav

With true OO with inheritance, a function that is available in the parent
class can be replaced in the child class so that whatever functionality the
parent's function provided can be overriden.  Overloading is a method of
performing this processing in the class, but further allows the parameters
passed in to the class to be replaced as well.  For example FunctionA in one
child class may accept an integer, in another it may accept a real.  Since
the parameters are different, the correct child class can automatically be
selected by the runtime based on the type of data passed in.  If I am
passing in an integer I must be intending to use that specific child class,
whereas if I pass in a float I must intend to use this other child.

Since Access only has interface inheritance, it doesn't implement any of the
OO stuff of more powerful languages (such as VB.Net), and all discussions of
such capabilities is moot.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 8:36 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween


Hi John

> Overloading definitely is not supported in Access VBA.

Just thinking logically:
If that was the case it wouldn't be overloading?

(Guess I'm showing that I have no idea of what overloading in VB is about).

/gustav

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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Mon May 12 08:52:49 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:52:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SourceSafe and Access97 - again.
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30333167@ADGSERVER>

Update to my last e-mail.

I tried deleting the queries from SourceSafe, then imported the queries from
a non SS db.  When creating the db from SS, I get the same problem.

I create copies of the queries in the db when I take it out of SS.  SO I can
get the queries back, it is just a pain to do each time and I'd like to
correct the problem if I could.  So along those lines, I am not expecting
anyone to put a lot of effort into this issue.  I find it strange that no
one else here seems to have ever had this problem.

Thanks again,
Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 7:25 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SourceSafe and Access97 - again.


Hi Charlotte,

Empty, as when you create a new query.  There is nothing in it except for
the standard "Select;".

We are always putting out point releases for this app as they always want
more added.  Each time I do a release, I create a new SS project.  I have
not tried to delete the objects out of SS and re-adding them.  I will give
that a try.

The weird thing is, once I put them back in, I can check them out, modify,
and pout them back and all is well.

Thanks,
Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:14 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SourceSafe and Access97 - again.


What do you mean by "always empty"?  You mean they don't get created in
the database or they don't work properly or what?    You might try
deleting those queries from the SS project entirely or at least renaming
them.  Then create a new database from source safe and add the queries
back as new objects, creating them from scratch.  If you delete the old
ones instead of renaming, then don't allow the project to recover the
old version, make it accept the new one.  See if that makes a
difference.   

Occasionally, a SS project becomes corrupt and the only thing you can do
is create a new project from a working version of the application that
is outside of source safe.  Unfortunately, you lose your history that
way, but that's better than the alternatives.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 10:41 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] SourceSafe and Access97 - again.


Hi all,

I posted on this a while back and got a few answers.  I followed the
suggestions about building from SS instead of "get latest."  But I am
still having problems.

Basically, I have this FE in SS.  When I do a "create database from
SourceSafe project", there are these 9 queries (out of several hundred)
that always are empty.  Get latest does not bring the data down.
Basically, I have resorted to backing up the queries in another DB
before doing a create database from SS.  I then have to manually cut and
paste the SQL from the queries between the 2 databases.  A royal PIA!

Anyone have any suggestions as to why this may be happening?  It is the
same set of queries every time.  Any suggestions on how to fix this
issue?

Thanks,
Bobby
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon May 12 08:52:10 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:52:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
In-Reply-To: <00c901c3188a$4f5f6070$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKELBDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Arthur,

Disclaimer: I have been out of real OO for way too long, and just getting
back in with VB.net so you can of course take anything I say on the subject
with a grain of salt.

I was simply trying to give Gustav a feeling for the concept.

I read all of this stuff in my book a month or two ago and was going on
memory.  We all know what THAT means! ;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 9:28 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween


Not quite, JC. Overloading means that a single method name can have several
signatures. The second through nth overload need not be in a child class.
Any given class, for example, could have two or more Init() methods: one
that takes no parameters, one that accepts say an int and a string, and a
third that accepts an int, a string and a date. The rules of overloading
are: you cannot have two methods with identical signatures. If you create a
child method with the same name as a parent method, that calls the parent
method either before or after running its own code, that is not overloading;
that is extending.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: May 12, 2003 8:52 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween


Gustav

With true OO with inheritance, a function that is available in the parent
class can be replaced in the child class so that whatever functionality the
parent's function provided can be overriden.  Overloading is a method of
performing this processing in the class, but further allows the parameters
passed in to the class to be replaced as well.  For example FunctionA in one
child class may accept an integer, in another it may accept a real.  Since
the parameters are different, the correct child class can automatically be
selected by the runtime based on the type of data passed in.  If I am
passing in an integer I must be intending to use that specific child class,
whereas if I pass in a float I must intend to use this other child.

Since Access only has interface inheritance, it doesn't implement any of the
OO stuff of more powerful languages (such as VB.Net), and all discussions of
such capabilities is moot.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com





From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon May 12 09:10:41 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 10:10:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studie.NET - Is it a bug?
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKELCDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Has anyone run into the properties box not expanding out when you put the
cursor over it?  I have a specific project where I know this is happening.
if you unpin the properties box it "deflates" to a little icon.  Putting the
cursor over it is supposed to cause it to expand out so that the properties
can be seen.  Other such icons work correctly - the project explorer etc.,
but the properties dialog doesn't.

However it isn't just "never does".  It works fine until I run the project,
after which it fails to expand correctly to allow seeing the properties.  I
have to shut down the project and re-open, then it functions correctly
again.  I have taken to pinning the properties dialog open since that works
around the problem.  The fact that this happens after running the project
leads me to believe that this is a feature and I am not doing something
correctly.

Whichever it is, it is a PITA.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon May 12 09:16:16 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 10:16:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net - Trackbar
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCELDDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Is there any way to "reverse" the trackbar?  If you position it vertically,
the slider is at the bottom when the value of the trackbar control is small.
I want the slider handle to be at the top when it is small.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From tewksbum at hotmail.com  Mon May 12 09:58:39 2003
From: tewksbum at hotmail.com (Marcus Tewksbury)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:58:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween - SOME
	PROGRESS
Message-ID: <Law9-F850Ne0PaLI9mK00014e39@hotmail.com>

Jim,

How do I declare my class?  From memory past I remember in OO needing a 
declaration of all the classes methods and properties at the top of the 
class.  Is this the case with VBA?

Right now - in the form code - I have something like...

Dim oCampaignInvoice As New CampaignInvoice
Call oCampaignInvoice.Load_byInvoiceOrder(oInvoice, Me.cboOrderID)

As you suggested in a later email - I was able to create a (Search)rst 
property for my class - which I could set, and then access from within the 
Load functions (without passing in any parameters).

Also, in a later email I suggested that passing in a recordset as a variant 
and then trying to recast to a recordset doesn't work.  The variant is 
actually a multidimensional array.  It bombed when I loaded data.

I'll try playing around with passing in clones.

And to John Colby - could you please explain more about the parameters were 
using.  Specifically what I am trying to accomplish is passing a dataclass 
(inclusive of recordset) to another data class.

Open to comment from anyone!  My reason for passing one dataclass to another 
- is to build the SQL for say retrieving all InvoiceDetails for a given 
Invoice.

Any more thoughts out there?

- Tewks


>From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween - 
>SOME	PROGRESS
>Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 02:38:54 -0700
>
>Hi Marcus:
>
>I have been using code like:
>
>Dim rsExpiredCards As New ADODB.Recordset
>
>Set rsExpiredCards = ExpiredCards().Clone
>With rsExpiredCards
>	....
>
>Public Function ExpiredCards() As ADODB.Recordset
>
>	Set ExpiredCards = New ADODB.Recordset
>	..... fill recordset
>
>End function
>
>HTH
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Marcus
>Tewksbury
>Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 9:22 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween -
>SOME PROGRESS
>
>
>Well - figured out how to get a recordset in, but now, how to get user
>defined classes?
>
>Public Sub Load_byInvoiceDetail(ByRef msrst As Variant)
>
>     Dim sstrSQL As String
>     Dim sflgNotFirst As Boolean
>
>     Dim xInvoiceDetail As ADODB.Recordset
>     Set xInvoiceDetail = msrst
>
>Ok - so now I can pass in a recordset as a variant and then cast (sort of) 
>a
>local variable to it.
>
>The calling routine looks like...
>
>     Dim oOrderDetail As New OrderDetail
>     oOrderDetail.Load_byInvoiceDetail (oInvoiceDetail.mrstGet()) <- 
>mrstGet
>returns the underlying recordset for the class
>
>     While Not oOrderDetail.EOF
>         oOrderDetail.FilledFlag = False
>         oOrderDetail.MoveNext
>     Wend
>
>     Dim oInventory As New Inventory
>     oInventory.Load_byOrderDetail (oOrderDetail.mrstGet())
>
>So, while this will work for recordsets - it doesn't for user defined
>classes - I still get the same error.
>
>So, should I be making the switch to VB.net?
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Marcus Tewksbury" <tewksbum at hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
> >Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 23:11:45 -0500
> >
> >In this case it seems to be something specifically with recordsets - with
> >InvoiceDetail I am only passing in an integer - and I;ve tried New'ing 
>the
> >recordset in the initialize - I'll give a look into referencing, but I
> >haven't had a problem with any other ADO issue until now!
> >
> >Ugh - this is frustrating!
> >
> >
> >>From: "Haslett, Andrew" <andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au>
> >>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >>To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
> >>Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 13:32:56 +0930
> >>
> >>lol - we've only finally got overloading and inheritance into VB.Net!
> >>Very
> >>doubtful we can do that in VBA.
> >>
> >>I was about to ask if you've tried passing byRef so that ones out the
> >>door.
> >>
> >>Another wild stab -> but I suppose this is still worth asking.  Haven't
> >>forgot the references to ADO??
> >>
> >>Perhaps try declaring mrst with a NEW instance:
> >>
> >>Private mrst As *NEW* ADODB.Recordset
> >>
> >>...but why would it work for InvoiceDetail and not OrderDetail??
> >>
> >>Cheers,
> >>A
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Marcus Tewksbury [mailto:tewksbum at hotmail.com]
> >>Sent: Monday, 12 May 2003 1:28 PM
> >>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
> >>
> >>
> >>Yeap
> >>
> >>mrst has been declared...
> >>
> >>Option Compare Database
> >>Option Explicit
> >>
> >>Private mlngInvoiceDetailID As Long
> >>Private mlngInvoiceID As Long
> >>Private mlngOrderDetailID As Long
> >>Private mlngProductID As Long
> >>Private mintShipped As Integer
> >>Private mintCanceled As Integer
> >>Private mintBackOrdered As Integer
> >>Private mcurExtendedPrice As Currency
> >>Private mflgSubstituteFlag As Boolean
> >>Private mdteDateAdded As Date
> >>Private mdteLastUpdated As Date
> >>Private mflgActiveFlag As Boolean
> >>
> >>Private mrst As ADODB.Recordset  <- Here
> >>Private mflgAddFlag As Boolean
> >>Private mflgDirtyFlag As Boolean
> >>
> >>The problem seems to be directly related to passing a recordset into the
> >>class - through a sub or function.  I've tried making
> >>
> >>Public Function Load_byInvoiceDetail
> >>
> >>a sub and function - and have tried passing byVal and ByRef.  For 
>testing
> >>I
> >>changed the paramter to (xrst as ADODB.recordset) and then passed in a
> >>newly
> >>
> >>created, plain recordset and it still bombs.
> >>
> >>Of course, another question that stems from this - if you look at what 
>my
> >>code is trying to accomplish - can you overload the initialize method?
> >>That
> >>
> >>would be helpful!
> >>
> >>Thanks a million,
> >>
> >>- Tewks
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >From: "Michael R Mattys" <michael.mattys at adelphia.net>
> >> >Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >> >To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
> >> >Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 23:09:37 -0400
> >> >
> >> >Marcus,
> >> >
> >> >Has mrst been set = to an ADO recordset
> >> >in the Declarations section?
> >> >
> >> >Mike Mattys
> >> >
> >> >----- Original Message -----
> >> >From: "Marcus Tewksbury" <tewksbum at hotmail.com>
> >> >To: <accessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> >> >Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 10:48 PM
> >> >Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > Hi everyone,
> >> > >
> >> > > Ok - here is my issue - I thought I'd be really fancy and start
> >> > > encapsulating my tables in data classes - using properites and all
> >>that
> >> >good
> >> > > stuff.  One issue that I am having is trying to pass in recordsets
> >>(or
> >> >other
> >> > > classes that also contain recordsets) into a class always gives me 
>a
> >> >Type
> >> > > Mismatch or 438 error.
> >> > >
> >> > > The class files and code behind all reside in the same project.
> >> > >
> >> > > Any thoughts?  I'm stumped!
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Here are 2 snippets
> >> > >
> >> > >     Dim oInvoiceDetail As New InvoiceDetail
> >> > >     oInvoiceDetail.Load_byInvoiceID (Me.InvoiceID)
> >> > >
> >> > >     Dim oOrderDetail As New OrderDetail
> >> > >     oOrderDetail.Load_byInvoiceDetail (oInvoiceDetail) <-CRASHES 
>HERE
> >> > >
> >> > >     While Not oOrderDetail.EOF
> >> > >         oOrderDetail.FilledFlag = False
> >> > >         oOrderDetail.MoveNext
> >> > >     Wend
> >> > >
> >> > > and ...
> >> > >
> >> > > Public Function Load_byInvoiceDetail(ByVal xInvoiceDetail As
> >> >InvoiceDetail)
> >> > >
> >> > >     Dim sstrSQL As String
> >> > >     Dim sflgNotFirst As Boolean
> >> > >
> >> > >     sstrSQL = "SELECT * FROM OrderDetail"
> >> > >
> >> > >     While Not xInvoiceDetail.EOF
> >> > >         If Not sflgNotFirst Then
> >> > >             sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " WHERE OrderDetailID = " &
> >> > > xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
> >> > >             sflgNotFirst = True
> >> > >         Else
> >> > >             sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " OR (OrderDetailID = " &
> >> > > xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
> >> > >         End If
> >> > >         xInvoiceDetail.MoveNext
> >> > >     Wend
> >> > >
> >> > >     With mrst
> >> > >         .CursorLocation = adUseClient
> >> > >         .CursorType = adOpenDynamic
> >> > >         .LockType = adLockBatchOptimistic
> >> > >         .Source = sstrSQL
> >> > >         .Open
> >> > >     End With
> >> > >
> >> > >     Call Scatter
> >> > >
> >> > > End Function
> >> > >
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon May 12 10:26:02 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 08:26:02 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F3C@infoserver01.infostat.local>

John,  I've passed ADO recordsets into functions as well.  It certainly
works if the argument is declared as an ADODB.Recordset.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 4:23 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween


Overloading definitely is not supported in Access VBA.

I have passed DAO databases and recordsets into functions so I know that
works.  I can't imagine that the same wouldn't work for ADO.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Marcus
Tewksbury
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 11:58 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween


Yeap

mrst has been declared...

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Private mlngInvoiceDetailID As Long
Private mlngInvoiceID As Long
Private mlngOrderDetailID As Long
Private mlngProductID As Long
Private mintShipped As Integer
Private mintCanceled As Integer
Private mintBackOrdered As Integer
Private mcurExtendedPrice As Currency
Private mflgSubstituteFlag As Boolean
Private mdteDateAdded As Date
Private mdteLastUpdated As Date
Private mflgActiveFlag As Boolean

Private mrst As ADODB.Recordset  <- Here
Private mflgAddFlag As Boolean
Private mflgDirtyFlag As Boolean

The problem seems to be directly related to passing a recordset into the
class - through a sub or function.  I've tried making

Public Function Load_byInvoiceDetail

a sub and function - and have tried passing byVal and ByRef.  For
testing I changed the paramter to (xrst as ADODB.recordset) and then
passed in a newly created, plain recordset and it still bombs.

Of course, another question that stems from this - if you look at what
my code is trying to accomplish - can you overload the initialize
method?  That would be helpful!

Thanks a million,

- Tewks





>From: "Michael R Mattys" <michael.mattys at adelphia.net>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
>Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 23:09:37 -0400
>
>Marcus,
>
>Has mrst been set = to an ADO recordset
>in the Declarations section?
>
>Mike Mattys
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Marcus Tewksbury" <tewksbum at hotmail.com>
>To: <accessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 10:48 PM
>Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
>
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Ok - here is my issue - I thought I'd be really fancy and start 
> > encapsulating my tables in data classes - using properites and all 
> > that
>good
> > stuff.  One issue that I am having is trying to pass in recordsets 
> > (or
>other
> > classes that also contain recordsets) into a class always gives me a
>Type
> > Mismatch or 438 error.
> >
> > The class files and code behind all reside in the same project.
> >
> > Any thoughts?  I'm stumped!
> >
> >
> > Here are 2 snippets
> >
> >     Dim oInvoiceDetail As New InvoiceDetail
> >     oInvoiceDetail.Load_byInvoiceID (Me.InvoiceID)
> >
> >     Dim oOrderDetail As New OrderDetail
> >     oOrderDetail.Load_byInvoiceDetail (oInvoiceDetail) <-CRASHES 
> > HERE
> >
> >     While Not oOrderDetail.EOF
> >         oOrderDetail.FilledFlag = False
> >         oOrderDetail.MoveNext
> >     Wend
> >
> > and ...
> >
> > Public Function Load_byInvoiceDetail(ByVal xInvoiceDetail As
>InvoiceDetail)
> >
> >     Dim sstrSQL As String
> >     Dim sflgNotFirst As Boolean
> >
> >     sstrSQL = "SELECT * FROM OrderDetail"
> >
> >     While Not xInvoiceDetail.EOF
> >         If Not sflgNotFirst Then
> >             sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " WHERE OrderDetailID = " & 
> > xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
> >             sflgNotFirst = True
> >         Else
> >             sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " OR (OrderDetailID = " & 
> > xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
> >         End If
> >         xInvoiceDetail.MoveNext
> >     Wend
> >
> >     With mrst
> >         .CursorLocation = adUseClient
> >         .CursorType = adOpenDynamic
> >         .LockType = adLockBatchOptimistic
> >         .Source = sstrSQL
> >         .Open
> >     End With
> >
> >     Call Scatter
> >
> > End Function
> >
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon May 12 10:27:04 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 08:27:04 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Compacting problem
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F3D@infoserver01.infostat.local>

It sounds like some corruption in a table.
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Smethurst, Ryan [mailto:ryan.smethurst at bromley.gov.uk] 
	Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 2:54 AM
	To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
	Subject: [AccessD] Compacting problem
	
	

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	Hi All,
	 
	I have an A2K database that has been working fine but recently
seems to have a problem when compacting (on exit).  I'm getting an error
message 'Could not find field 'description' and the compact is then
stopping.
	 
	Does anyone know why?
	 
	Or how I can find out where that field is meant to be? 
	 
	TIA
	 
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From askolits at ot.com  Mon May 12 11:03:50 2003
From: askolits at ot.com (John Skolits)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:03:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Replication Manager or Briefcase
In-Reply-To:  <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F3D@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFAELFCKAA.askolits@ot.com>

MessageI'm trying to decide which is the best method to handle replication.

This will involve around 7 users.

I have 2 office locations: 1 in Philadelphia and 1 in Cleveland. The are
connected with an Asynchronous line. Therefore the data connection will be
slow. They will eventually switch to a regular T1 line, but not for a few
months.

I have looked at the Replication Manager which looks like a good fit but I
would have to install it on all the PC's and (I believe) have the
synchronizer running on the server where everyone would replicate to. I
would then do indirect synchronization.

Someone said they used the Briefcase to do the synchronizations. With that
method, I would not have to install Replication Manager on all the PC's.

This is not mission critical information so the briefcase looks like a
better solution with much less programming overhead.

Anyone have any insights on this?

John
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon May 12 12:37:59 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 13:37:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween -
	SOMEPROGRESS
In-Reply-To: <Law9-F850Ne0PaLI9mK00014e39@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEELJDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Marcus,

Create two classes - ClsA and ClsB - cutting and pasting in the code below.
Then create a module, cutting and pasting the code for the module below.

Explanation:

Module one Init():

Sets a NEW Cls A
Sets a NEW cls B - Note this is a local DIM inside the function.  I did this
to point out and demonstrate that the initialized pointer mclsB is stored
correctly inside of ClsA.  Even though it loses scope when Module1 Init()
finishes running, ClsB still stays in existence because a pointer to it
exists in ClsA.  ClsA stays in existence since it is a module level variable
in Module1.

Calls ClsA's Init() passing in ClsB

Module One Test():

Calls a method in ClsA which displays the name of ClsA
Calls a method of ClsA which calls a method of ClsB which displays ClsB's
name

'***************

'Module1
Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
Dim mclsA  As clsA
Function Init()
Dim mclsB As clsB
    Set mclsA = New clsA
    Set mclsB = New clsB
    mclsA.Init mclsB
End Function

Function Test()
    MsgBox mclsA.Name
    MsgBox mclsA.ChildClassName
End Function

'***************

ClsA has two methods, one is an Init() which can be called by anyone with
access to the pointer to CslA.  The Init() is passed a pointer to ClsB.
ClsB MUST BE INITIALIZED already.  While this isn't strictly true, for our
purposes it is.

The Init() of ClsA simply takes the pointer to ClsB and stores it into a
class level variable
Name() returns ClsA's name
ChildClassName calls mclsChild.name to get the name of whatever class is
pointed to by mclsChild

'***************
'ClsA
Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
Const mcstrName As String = "ClsA"

Dim mclsChild As clsB

Function Init(lclsChild As clsB)
    Set mclsChild = lclsChild
End Function
Private Sub Class_Initialize()
    MsgBox "Initializing " & mcstrName
End Sub
Public Function Name() As String
    Name = mcstrName
End Function
Public Function ChildClassName() As String
    ChildClassName = mclsChild.Name
End Function

'***************
ClsB does nothing but return it's own name
'***************
'ClsB
Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Const cstrName As String = "ClsB"
Private Sub Class_Initialize()
    MsgBox "Initializing " & cstrName
End Sub
Public Function Name() As String
    Name = cstrName
End Function

'***************


John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Marcus
Tewksbury
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 10:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween -
SOMEPROGRESS


Jim,

How do I declare my class?  From memory past I remember in OO needing a
declaration of all the classes methods and properties at the top of the
class.  Is this the case with VBA?

Right now - in the form code - I have something like...

Dim oCampaignInvoice As New CampaignInvoice
Call oCampaignInvoice.Load_byInvoiceOrder(oInvoice, Me.cboOrderID)

As you suggested in a later email - I was able to create a (Search)rst
property for my class - which I could set, and then access from within the
Load functions (without passing in any parameters).

Also, in a later email I suggested that passing in a recordset as a variant
and then trying to recast to a recordset doesn't work.  The variant is
actually a multidimensional array.  It bombed when I loaded data.

I'll try playing around with passing in clones.

And to John Colby - could you please explain more about the parameters were
using.  Specifically what I am trying to accomplish is passing a dataclass
(inclusive of recordset) to another data class.

Open to comment from anyone!  My reason for passing one dataclass to another
- is to build the SQL for say retrieving all InvoiceDetails for a given
Invoice.

Any more thoughts out there?

- Tewks


>From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween -
>SOME	PROGRESS
>Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 02:38:54 -0700
>
>Hi Marcus:
>
>I have been using code like:
>
>Dim rsExpiredCards As New ADODB.Recordset
>
>Set rsExpiredCards = ExpiredCards().Clone
>With rsExpiredCards
>	....
>
>Public Function ExpiredCards() As ADODB.Recordset
>
>	Set ExpiredCards = New ADODB.Recordset
>	..... fill recordset
>
>End function
>
>HTH
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Marcus
>Tewksbury
>Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 9:22 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween -
>SOME PROGRESS
>
>
>Well - figured out how to get a recordset in, but now, how to get user
>defined classes?
>
>Public Sub Load_byInvoiceDetail(ByRef msrst As Variant)
>
>     Dim sstrSQL As String
>     Dim sflgNotFirst As Boolean
>
>     Dim xInvoiceDetail As ADODB.Recordset
>     Set xInvoiceDetail = msrst
>
>Ok - so now I can pass in a recordset as a variant and then cast (sort of)
>a
>local variable to it.
>
>The calling routine looks like...
>
>     Dim oOrderDetail As New OrderDetail
>     oOrderDetail.Load_byInvoiceDetail (oInvoiceDetail.mrstGet()) <-
>mrstGet
>returns the underlying recordset for the class
>
>     While Not oOrderDetail.EOF
>         oOrderDetail.FilledFlag = False
>         oOrderDetail.MoveNext
>     Wend
>
>     Dim oInventory As New Inventory
>     oInventory.Load_byOrderDetail (oOrderDetail.mrstGet())
>
>So, while this will work for recordsets - it doesn't for user defined
>classes - I still get the same error.
>
>So, should I be making the switch to VB.net?
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Marcus Tewksbury" <tewksbum at hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
> >Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 23:11:45 -0500
> >
> >In this case it seems to be something specifically with recordsets - with
> >InvoiceDetail I am only passing in an integer - and I;ve tried New'ing
>the
> >recordset in the initialize - I'll give a look into referencing, but I
> >haven't had a problem with any other ADO issue until now!
> >
> >Ugh - this is frustrating!
> >
> >
> >>From: "Haslett, Andrew" <andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au>
> >>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >>To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
> >>Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 13:32:56 +0930
> >>
> >>lol - we've only finally got overloading and inheritance into VB.Net!
> >>Very
> >>doubtful we can do that in VBA.
> >>
> >>I was about to ask if you've tried passing byRef so that ones out the
> >>door.
> >>
> >>Another wild stab -> but I suppose this is still worth asking.  Haven't
> >>forgot the references to ADO??
> >>
> >>Perhaps try declaring mrst with a NEW instance:
> >>
> >>Private mrst As *NEW* ADODB.Recordset
> >>
> >>...but why would it work for InvoiceDetail and not OrderDetail??
> >>
> >>Cheers,
> >>A
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Marcus Tewksbury [mailto:tewksbum at hotmail.com]
> >>Sent: Monday, 12 May 2003 1:28 PM
> >>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
> >>
> >>
> >>Yeap
> >>
> >>mrst has been declared...
> >>
> >>Option Compare Database
> >>Option Explicit
> >>
> >>Private mlngInvoiceDetailID As Long
> >>Private mlngInvoiceID As Long
> >>Private mlngOrderDetailID As Long
> >>Private mlngProductID As Long
> >>Private mintShipped As Integer
> >>Private mintCanceled As Integer
> >>Private mintBackOrdered As Integer
> >>Private mcurExtendedPrice As Currency
> >>Private mflgSubstituteFlag As Boolean
> >>Private mdteDateAdded As Date
> >>Private mdteLastUpdated As Date
> >>Private mflgActiveFlag As Boolean
> >>
> >>Private mrst As ADODB.Recordset  <- Here
> >>Private mflgAddFlag As Boolean
> >>Private mflgDirtyFlag As Boolean
> >>
> >>The problem seems to be directly related to passing a recordset into the
> >>class - through a sub or function.  I've tried making
> >>
> >>Public Function Load_byInvoiceDetail
> >>
> >>a sub and function - and have tried passing byVal and ByRef.  For
>testing
> >>I
> >>changed the paramter to (xrst as ADODB.recordset) and then passed in a
> >>newly
> >>
> >>created, plain recordset and it still bombs.
> >>
> >>Of course, another question that stems from this - if you look at what
>my
> >>code is trying to accomplish - can you overload the initialize method?
> >>That
> >>
> >>would be helpful!
> >>
> >>Thanks a million,
> >>
> >>- Tewks
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >From: "Michael R Mattys" <michael.mattys at adelphia.net>
> >> >Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >> >To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
> >> >Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 23:09:37 -0400
> >> >
> >> >Marcus,
> >> >
> >> >Has mrst been set = to an ADO recordset
> >> >in the Declarations section?
> >> >
> >> >Mike Mattys
> >> >
> >> >----- Original Message -----
> >> >From: "Marcus Tewksbury" <tewksbum at hotmail.com>
> >> >To: <accessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> >> >Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 10:48 PM
> >> >Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > Hi everyone,
> >> > >
> >> > > Ok - here is my issue - I thought I'd be really fancy and start
> >> > > encapsulating my tables in data classes - using properites and all
> >>that
> >> >good
> >> > > stuff.  One issue that I am having is trying to pass in recordsets
> >>(or
> >> >other
> >> > > classes that also contain recordsets) into a class always gives me
>a
> >> >Type
> >> > > Mismatch or 438 error.
> >> > >
> >> > > The class files and code behind all reside in the same project.
> >> > >
> >> > > Any thoughts?  I'm stumped!
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Here are 2 snippets
> >> > >
> >> > >     Dim oInvoiceDetail As New InvoiceDetail
> >> > >     oInvoiceDetail.Load_byInvoiceID (Me.InvoiceID)
> >> > >
> >> > >     Dim oOrderDetail As New OrderDetail
> >> > >     oOrderDetail.Load_byInvoiceDetail (oInvoiceDetail) <-CRASHES
>HERE
> >> > >
> >> > >     While Not oOrderDetail.EOF
> >> > >         oOrderDetail.FilledFlag = False
> >> > >         oOrderDetail.MoveNext
> >> > >     Wend
> >> > >
> >> > > and ...
> >> > >
> >> > > Public Function Load_byInvoiceDetail(ByVal xInvoiceDetail As
> >> >InvoiceDetail)
> >> > >
> >> > >     Dim sstrSQL As String
> >> > >     Dim sflgNotFirst As Boolean
> >> > >
> >> > >     sstrSQL = "SELECT * FROM OrderDetail"
> >> > >
> >> > >     While Not xInvoiceDetail.EOF
> >> > >         If Not sflgNotFirst Then
> >> > >             sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " WHERE OrderDetailID = " &
> >> > > xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
> >> > >             sflgNotFirst = True
> >> > >         Else
> >> > >             sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " OR (OrderDetailID = " &
> >> > > xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
> >> > >         End If
> >> > >         xInvoiceDetail.MoveNext
> >> > >     Wend
> >> > >
> >> > >     With mrst
> >> > >         .CursorLocation = adUseClient
> >> > >         .CursorType = adOpenDynamic
> >> > >         .LockType = adLockBatchOptimistic
> >> > >         .Source = sstrSQL
> >> > >         .Open
> >> > >     End With
> >> > >
> >> > >     Call Scatter
> >> > >
> >> > > End Function
> >> > >
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Mon May 12 14:19:14 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:19:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Today's Stupid Question
Message-ID: <20030512191914.74588.qmail@web13403.mail.yahoo.com>

And now for today's stupid question....

I am using Microsoft's DateTimePicker ActiveX control,
because I am mot skilled enough to code my own
caledaring and time system, and am running into some
problems.

I have one DTP (date time picker) in Calendar mode for
start date, and one in clock mode for start time.  I
also have one for end date and time as well.  Due to a
limitation of the ActiveX components, I cannot
directly access the info from my query, so I have to
fill out "invisible" text boxes with the info.

Now comes the problem....

The field I am comparing to is a datetime field in the
following format: mm-dd hh:mm:ss.  I am having no luck
converting the two seperate date and time fields into
a single field in order to compare it to this datetime
field.  Does anyone have any ideas on how I can do
this?  Any assistance you can give would be greatly appreciated.

From sgsax at ksu.edu  Mon May 12 14:24:50 2003
From: sgsax at ksu.edu (Seth Galitzer)
Date: 12 May 2003 14:24:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Today's Stupid Question
In-Reply-To: <20030512191914.74588.qmail@web13403.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20030512191914.74588.qmail@web13403.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1052767491.13065.28.camel@sgsax-th4022c>

Frank,

Convert the individual date and time values to strings, then
concactenate them together, and convert the resulting string back into a
date using the CDate() function.

That's where I'd start, anyway.

Seth

On Mon, 2003-05-12 at 14:19, Frank Tanner III wrote:
> And now for today's stupid question....
> 
> I am using Microsoft's DateTimePicker ActiveX control,
> because I am mot skilled enough to code my own
> caledaring and time system, and am running into some
> problems.
> 
> I have one DTP (date time picker) in Calendar mode for
> start date, and one in clock mode for start time.  I
> also have one for end date and time as well.  Due to a
> limitation of the ActiveX components, I cannot
> directly access the info from my query, so I have to
> fill out "invisible" text boxes with the info.
> 
> Now comes the problem....
> 
> The field I am comparing to is a datetime field in the
> following format: mm-dd hh:mm:ss.  I am having no luck
> converting the two seperate date and time fields into
> a single field in order to compare it to this datetime
> field.  Does anyone have any ideas on how I can do
> this?  Any assistance you can give would be greatly appreciated.

-- 
Seth Galitzer			sgsax at ksu.edu
Computing Specialist		http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax
Dept. of Plant Pathology
Kansas State University


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon May 12 14:32:02 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:32:02 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Today's Stupid Question
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F41@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Assuming the time value does NOT include a date, just add the date value
and the time value. 

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 11:19 AM
To: Database Advisors
Subject: [AccessD] Today's Stupid Question


And now for today's stupid question....

I am using Microsoft's DateTimePicker ActiveX control,
because I am mot skilled enough to code my own
caledaring and time system, and am running into some
problems.

I have one DTP (date time picker) in Calendar mode for
start date, and one in clock mode for start time.  I
also have one for end date and time as well.  Due to a limitation of the
ActiveX components, I cannot directly access the info from my query, so
I have to fill out "invisible" text boxes with the info.

Now comes the problem....

The field I am comparing to is a datetime field in the following format:
mm-dd hh:mm:ss.  I am having no luck converting the two seperate date
and time fields into a single field in order to compare it to this
datetime field.  Does anyone have any ideas on how I can do this?  Any
assistance you can give would be greatly appreciated.
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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Mon May 12 14:27:01 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 14:27:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Today's Stupid Question
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357E8@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Frank,

As I always told my students, the only stupid question is the unasked
one.

Now, show us how you are trying to do it and somebody on the list will
be able to point you to a better, working solution.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com] 
Sent: Monday 2003 May 12 14:19
To: Database Advisors
Subject: [AccessD] Today's Stupid Question

And now for today's stupid question....

I am using Microsoft's DateTimePicker ActiveX control,
because I am mot skilled enough to code my own
caledaring and time system, and am running into some
problems.

I have one DTP (date time picker) in Calendar mode for
start date, and one in clock mode for start time.  I
also have one for end date and time as well.  Due to a limitation of the
ActiveX components, I cannot directly access the info from my query, so
I have to fill out "invisible" text boxes with the info.

Now comes the problem....

The field I am comparing to is a datetime field in the following format:
mm-dd hh:mm:ss.  I am having no luck converting the two seperate date
and time fields into a single field in order to compare it to this
datetime field.  Does anyone have any ideas on how I can do this?  Any
assistance you can give would be greatly appreciated. 

From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Mon May 12 14:27:01 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 14:27:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Today's Stupid Question
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357E8@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Frank,

As I always told my students, the only stupid question is the unasked
one.

Now, show us how you are trying to do it and somebody on the list will
be able to point you to a better, working solution.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com] 
Sent: Monday 2003 May 12 14:19
To: Database Advisors
Subject: [AccessD] Today's Stupid Question

And now for today's stupid question....

I am using Microsoft's DateTimePicker ActiveX control,
because I am mot skilled enough to code my own
caledaring and time system, and am running into some
problems.

I have one DTP (date time picker) in Calendar mode for
start date, and one in clock mode for start time.  I
also have one for end date and time as well.  Due to a limitation of the
ActiveX components, I cannot directly access the info from my query, so
I have to fill out "invisible" text boxes with the info.

Now comes the problem....

The field I am comparing to is a datetime field in the following format:
mm-dd hh:mm:ss.  I am having no luck converting the two seperate date
and time fields into a single field in order to compare it to this
datetime field.  Does anyone have any ideas on how I can do this?  Any
assistance you can give would be greatly appreciated. 

From pblack at hotmail.com  Mon May 12 14:38:21 2003
From: pblack at hotmail.com (Paul Black)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 19:38:21 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Quick Update Solution
Message-ID: <Sea2-F19735NUvutvQq0002393b@hotmail.com>

Is there a quicker/better way to append data than the method I currently 
use:

select all records from table 1

move to first record in table 1

loop through every record in table 2 to see if a match occurs on LINK_PT 
field

If there is a match it is skipped.

If there is no match then table 1 record is appended to table 2

Move to next record in table 1 and continue loop until .eof

I can do it this way but is there another quicker solution. As the tables 
grow the speed slows. I am using A97 for the app.

Thanks

Paul

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon May 12 14:40:24 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:40:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Anyone using  the Excel-L list?
References: <000301c31871$afa345f0$2239fc3e@netboxxp>
Message-ID: <3EBFF8A8.6020401@shaw.ca>

Did you reply to an e-mail message with a confirmation code that was  
sent to the address you specified  in the web  form? Did you click the 
box temporarily stopping mail. Is your ISP or mailserver  blocking the 
mail from this domain PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM. some ISP's utilize 
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Mark H wrote:

>Cheers Alun
>
>I have tried re-subscribing and still no joy :o(
>
>I'm using exactly the same details as with this list too
>
>Thanks
>
>Mark
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Garraway,
>Alun
>Sent: 12 May 2003 11:25
>To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
>Subject: AW: [AccessD] OT - Anyone using the Excel-L list? 
>
>
>hi,
>
>over the weekend there were about 100 posts.
>
>also saw your post "Anyone out there?"
>which recieved 3 or 4 replies.
>
>alun
>
>-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>Von: MarkH [mailto:markH at bitgen.co.uk]
>Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Mai 2003 11:11
>An: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Betreff: [AccessD] OT - Anyone using the Excel-L list? 
>
>
>Hi All
>
>Sorry for the OT post. I subscribed to the Excel-L list a couple of
>wekes ago (saw it mentioned in someone else post) and have so far seen
>not a single email. I have checkec my subscription options and it looks
>fine. Is it just a very quiet list?
>
>Cheers
>
>Mark
>
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From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Mon May 12 14:48:36 2003
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 14:48:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Quick Update Solution
Message-ID: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB2338C78D@TAPPEEXCH01>

Paul,
This should do it:

INSERT INTO Table2 ( LINK_PT )
SELECT Table1.LINK_PT
FROM Table1
LEFT JOIN Table2
ON (Table1.LINK_PT = Table2.LINK_PT)
WHERE Table2.LINK_PT Is Null;


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Black [mailto:pblack at hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 2:38 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Quick Update Solution


Is there a quicker/better way to append data than the method I currently 
use:

select all records from table 1

move to first record in table 1

loop through every record in table 2 to see if a match occurs on LINK_PT 
field

If there is a match it is skipped.

If there is no match then table 1 record is appended to table 2

Move to next record in table 1 and continue loop until .eof

I can do it this way but is there another quicker solution. As the tables 
grow the speed slows. I am using A97 for the app.

Thanks

Paul

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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Mon May 12 14:42:26 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 14:42:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Quick Update Solution
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357E9@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Paul,

Have you looked into the Unmatched Query Wizard?

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Black [mailto:pblack at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday 2003 May 12 14:38
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Quick Update Solution

Is there a quicker/better way to append data than the method I currently

use:

select all records from table 1

move to first record in table 1

loop through every record in table 2 to see if a match occurs on LINK_PT

field

If there is a match it is skipped.

If there is no match then table 1 record is appended to table 2

Move to next record in table 1 and continue loop until .eof

I can do it this way but is there another quicker solution. As the
tables 
grow the speed slows. I am using A97 for the app.

Thanks

Paul

From pblack at hotmail.com  Mon May 12 15:31:55 2003
From: pblack at hotmail.com (Paul Black)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 20:31:55 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Quick Update Solution
Message-ID: <Sea2-F69AusejaagwaB000156c1@hotmail.com>

>INSERT INTO Table2 ( LINK_PT )
>SELECT Table1.LINK_PT
>FROM Table1
>LEFT JOIN Table2
>ON (Table1.LINK_PT = Table2.LINK_PT)
>WHERE Table2.LINK_PT Is Null;

Hi Brett

Works great

Thank you

Paul

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From kaupca at chevrontexaco.com  Mon May 12 16:47:23 2003
From: kaupca at chevrontexaco.com (Kaup, Chester A)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 16:47:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Getting last 3 records
Message-ID: <193572B4E0FC1744BEDFEE63F82CEC9E011E3D10@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>

I have a table that is full of oil well test data. Basically date and
volumes. There are dozens of records with different dates for each well.
I need to get the average of the last (I.e. most recent)  three tests
for each well. Tried the top values but could not see how to do it for
each individual well. Your assistance appreciated.

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon May 12 17:51:37 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 17:51:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Getting last 3 records
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82BF6@main2.marlow.com>

You can use a subquery, have the subquery return the last three dates per
well.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Kaup, Chester A [mailto:kaupca at chevrontexaco.com]
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 4:47 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Getting last 3 records



I have a table that is full of oil well test data. Basically date and
volumes. There are dozens of records with different dates for each well.  I
need to get the average of the last (I.e. most recent)  three tests for each
well. Tried the top values but could not see how to do it for each
individual well. Your assistance appreciated.

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon May 12 17:53:59 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 08:53:59 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Getting last 3 records
In-Reply-To: <193572B4E0FC1744BEDFEE63F82CEC9E011E3D10@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>
Message-ID: <3EC0B2A7.12698.25DF95@localhost>

On 12 May 2003 at 16:47, Kaup, Chester A wrote:

> I have a table that is full of oil well test data. Basically date and
> volumes. There are dozens of records with different dates for each
> well. I need to get the average of the last (I.e. most recent)  three
> tests for each well. Tried the top values but could not see how to do
> it for each individual well. Your assistance appreciated.
> 
> No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large
> number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. 
> 
> 
Take a look at:

Access Subquery Techniques by Mike Gunderloy

for a good tutorial on this and other subquery techniques (look for 
"top per group"

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-
us/dnsmart01/html/sa01j1.asp
(watch for wrap)

Assuming you have a Wells table and a Testdata table:

SELECT WellID, vDate,Volume
FROM Wells INNER JOIN TestData
ON Wells.WellID = TestData.WellID
WHERE vDate IN
  (SELECT TOP 3 vDate
   FROM TestData
   WHERE TestData.WellID = Wells.WellID
   ORDER BY vDate DESC)
ORDER BY WellID ASC, vDate DESC


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From michael.maddison at ddisolutions.com.au  Mon May 12 19:28:24 2003
From: michael.maddison at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 10:28:24 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studie.NET - Is it a bug?
Message-ID: <6D8C24685B2A614481AD0BDAB0AC94F9035C27@ddi-pdc.DDISolutions.ddisolutions.com.au>

Yes, it's a major PITA.
Happens on all 3 boxes running .Net here.

cheers

Michael M

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2003 12:11 AM
To: VBA; AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studie.NET - Is it a bug?


Has anyone run into the properties box not expanding out when you put
the cursor over it?  I have a specific project where I know this is
happening. if you unpin the properties box it "deflates" to a little
icon.  Putting the cursor over it is supposed to cause it to expand out
so that the properties can be seen.  Other such icons work correctly -
the project explorer etc., but the properties dialog doesn't.

However it isn't just "never does".  It works fine until I run the
project, after which it fails to expand correctly to allow seeing the
properties.  I have to shut down the project and re-open, then it
functions correctly again.  I have taken to pinning the properties
dialog open since that works around the problem.  The fact that this
happens after running the project leads me to believe that this is a
feature and I am not doing something correctly.

Whichever it is, it is a PITA.

John W. Colby
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From SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au  Mon May 12 20:57:20 2003
From: SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au (Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 11:57:20 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT
References: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKCEHAGDAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <005b01c318f2$fd968c00$54dd31d2@OfficePC>

Thanks for the tip on WinAT Jim. Both yours and Stuart's examples call msaccess.exe directly so that's what I will add and test. Thanks

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jim Dettman 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 10:42 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT


  Kath,

    WINAT is not shareware, but comes with the Windows NT resource kit.  I use it at one clients site and have never had a problem with it.  I simply call a batch file that executes Access and the MDB.  Has worked fine for years.  An example of the batch file I use is below.

  Jim Dettman
  President,
  Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
  (315) 699-3443
  jimdettman at earthlink.net 

  REM Calls extract program for a full regen and process
  REM (Extract, Generate, and Send)
  REM Date is not passed.  Relies on server date to calulate Monday date.
  "C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office\MSACCESS.EXE" "C:\ESCS2\ESCXTR.MDB" /CMD * * * 

    -----Original Message-----
    From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
    Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:08 PM
    To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
    Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT


    Have any of you had much experience with scheduling applications to run (ie. mdb files) using the AT command?

    I am trying to get a job to run overnight for a client using the following syntax:

    at 14:26 /interactive /Every:M,T,W,Th,F cmd /c D:\Prices\Priceload.bat

    where the files Priceload.bat contains the following:

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

    @ECHO OFF
    REM Daily Price File Load
    TITLE GBST PRICE LOAD

    M:
    cd \Price
    echo ENTER PRICE FOLDER
    ntsleep 2 > nul

    Call Price.mdb

----------------------------------------------------------------------------


    I then get the message 'M:\Price\Price.mdb file not found'.

    Because it is real PITN to keep mucking around with this syntax in DOS, I am also having a play with some shareware(?) the client had called WINAT. It seems good, but when I use it at my client site to edit the paremeters of the AT command, extra characters appear at the end of the command, so I am not sure whether the command will work or not. Characters are things like pipes and @symbols. 

    So my question for anyone using AT is: do you have any tips to share? What is the most reliable way you have found to schedule an mdb to run?

    TIA
    Kath


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    Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
    Ph: 9505-6714
    Fax: 9505-6430
    SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au


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From SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au  Mon May 12 21:14:08 2003
From: SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au (Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 12:14:08 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B30@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <02cb01c318f5$56440ba0$54dd31d2@OfficePC>

Drew - thanks for that explanation. So if this code were in vb instead of vba then I could look at building an NT service OCX and add my system as a service.

OK - but for an mdb I may as well us AT?

Kath


----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Drew Wutka 
  To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
  Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 7:23 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT


  Pure VB codes almost exactly the same as VBA.  The syntax is identical, there are just a few minor changes in functions (such as AddressOf is a default ability in VB, and Eval is only available in VBA).

  As far as the NT Service OCX, let me explain....

  A service is something that runs on your machine whether you are logged onto it or not.  (Once Windows has loaded it's device driver's, etc., then it starts the services).  In 9x, services are just a registry entry (HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunService) (That may be RunAsService...don't remember, and it's not on NT machines, which is what I am using now...)  Any program can be placed there in the registry, and it is run by windows as soon as it comes up....regardless of whether a desktop is loaded or not.

  Now, an NT service is similar, however, it's not a normal registry entry.  Services is part of the Administrative control panel.  (Control Panel --> Administrative Tools).  That lists every service running on your machine.  From that panel, you can start and stop services, you can set whether they can interact with the desktop, or what NT account is used to run the service as.  Pretty flexible.  However, to 'build' an NT service, requires callback capability, since the system has to 'holler' at the service to start or stop, etc.  The NT service OCX (ActiveX control) provides that callback capability to VB.

  Drew
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd. [mailto:SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au]
    Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:46 AM
    To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT


    Hi drew - this is an mdb - the basic process it performs is to log on to an external system, read in some data, manipulate that data and export it out to an external txt file.

    I have done it in vba only because I do not know pure vb (and don't own it). There's no requirement to change it as it does the job - just need it automated. They are running Windows NT. You lost me on the NT service OCX. What is that?

    Rgds
    Kath
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Drew Wutka 
      To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com ' 
      Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:25 PM
      Subject: RE: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT


      What are you trying to run.  Is it just a data routine, or is it running
      reports?  If it's just a data routine, I personally recommend using the NT
      service OCX, which allows a VB .exe to run as an NT service.  Much easier to
      deal with, shows up in the list of services, the ocx has an easy method to
      dump information in the event viewer, etc.

      Running reports can be done this way too, but it needs to use Automation.  

      >From what I understand, VB.Net has the NT Service capability built in.

      Drew

      -----Original Message-----
      From: Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
      To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
      Sent: 5/8/03 10:08 PM
      Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT

      Have any of you had much experience with scheduling applications to run
      (ie. mdb files) using the AT command?
       
      I am trying to get a job to run overnight for a client using the
      following syntax:
       
      at 14:26 /interactive /Every:M,T,W,Th,F cmd /c D:\Prices\Priceload.bat
       
      where the files Priceload.bat contains the following:
        _____  

      @ECHO OFF
      REM Daily Price File Load
      TITLE GBST PRICE LOAD
       
      M:
      cd \Price
      echo ENTER PRICE FOLDER
      ntsleep 2 > nul
       
      Call Price.mdb

        _____  

       
      I then get the message 'M:\Price\Price.mdb file not found'.
       
      Because it is real PITN to keep mucking around with this syntax in DOS,
      I am also having a play with some shareware(?) the client had called
      WINAT. It seems good, but when I use it at my client site to edit the
      paremeters of the AT command, extra characters appear at the end of the
      command, so I am not sure whether the command will work or not.
      Characters are things like pipes and @symbols. 
       
      So my question for anyone using AT is: do you have any tips to share?
      What is the most reliable way you have found to schedule an mdb to run?
       
      TIA
      Kath
       
       
      Kath Pelletti
      Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
      Ph: 9505-6714
      Fax: 9505-6430
      SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au <mailto:SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au> 
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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Mon May 12 21:23:58 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 12:23:58 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Need a Smarter Append Query
References: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKCEHAGDAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
	<005b01c318f2$fd968c00$54dd31d2@OfficePC>
Message-ID: <002e01c318f6$b5a49730$3c619a89@DDICK>

Hello all
I have an append query that gets a few columns from one table(Bookings) and puts those
few columns into another table (tblWarnings) Based on today's date. Very basic, see SQL below.

What I really want is for the SQL to only get bookings from the table Bookings and put them into
tblWarnings if they are not already in tblBookings. 

So if tblWarnings already has bookings 1, 2 and 3 from table bookings.
I don't want the SQL to get them again if I run it. But if I add record 4 to table Bookings then 
run the append SQL, I do want it to get record 4 and ignore the other 3. Make sense?

INSERT INTO tblWarnings ( BookingID, BookingDate, BookingTime, Cancelled )
SELECT Bookings.BookingID, Bookings.BookingDate, Bookings.BookingTime, Bookings.Cancelled
FROM Bookings
WHERE (((Bookings.BookingDate)=Date()));

Many thanks in advance

Darren

From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Mon May 12 21:42:34 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 12:42:34 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Need a Smarter Append Query - SOLVED
References: 	<NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKCEHAGDAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net><005b01c318f2$fd968c00$54dd31d2@OfficePC>
	<002e01c318f6$b5a49730$3c619a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <005a01c318f9$4ef0e7c0$3c619a89@DDICK>

Never mind
I got it using the Find Unmatched Query wizard then turning it into an append query
Thanks all

Darren


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darren DICK" <d.dick at uws.edu.au>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 12:23 PM
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Need a Smarter Append Query


> Hello all
> I have an append query that gets a few columns from one table(Bookings) and puts those
> few columns into another table (tblWarnings) Based on today's date. Very basic, see SQL below.
> 
> What I really want is for the SQL to only get bookings from the table Bookings and put them into
> tblWarnings if they are not already in tblBookings. 
> 
> So if tblWarnings already has bookings 1, 2 and 3 from table bookings.
> I don't want the SQL to get them again if I run it. But if I add record 4 to table Bookings then 
> run the append SQL, I do want it to get record 4 and ignore the other 3. Make sense?
> 
> INSERT INTO tblWarnings ( BookingID, BookingDate, BookingTime, Cancelled )
> SELECT Bookings.BookingID, Bookings.BookingDate, Bookings.BookingTime, Bookings.Cancelled
> FROM Bookings
> WHERE (((Bookings.BookingDate)=Date()));
> 
> Many thanks in advance
> 
> Darren
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon May 12 21:42:55 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 22:42:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Need a Smarter Append Query
In-Reply-To: <002e01c318f6$b5a49730$3c619a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEMMDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Something like:

INSERT INTO tblWarnings ( BookingID, BookingDate, BookingTime, Cancelled )
SELECT Bookings.BookingID, Bookings.BookingDate, Bookings.BookingTime,
Bookings.Cancelled
FROM Bookings

WHERE (((Bookings.BookingDate)=Date())) AND (Bookings.BookingID NOT
IN(Select tblWarnings.BookingID from tblWarnings));


IOW, use a sub query that selects all of the tblWarnings.BookingsIDs.
Place that in a IN() clause.
NOT it.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 10:24 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Need a Smarter Append Query


Hello all
I have an append query that gets a few columns from one table(Bookings) and
puts those
few columns into another table (tblWarnings) Based on today's date. Very
basic, see SQL below.

What I really want is for the SQL to only get bookings from the table
Bookings and put them into
tblWarnings if they are not already in tblBookings.

So if tblWarnings already has bookings 1, 2 and 3 from table bookings.
I don't want the SQL to get them again if I run it. But if I add record 4 to
table Bookings then
run the append SQL, I do want it to get record 4 and ignore the other 3.
Make sense?

INSERT INTO tblWarnings ( BookingID, BookingDate, BookingTime, Cancelled )
SELECT Bookings.BookingID, Bookings.BookingDate, Bookings.BookingTime,
Bookings.Cancelled
FROM Bookings
WHERE (((Bookings.BookingDate)=Date()));

Many thanks in advance

Darren
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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Mon May 12 22:02:26 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 13:02:26 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Need a Smarter Append Query
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEMMDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <006601c318fc$151a3490$3c619a89@DDICK>

Thanks for the swift reply John
I did something like that using the Unmatched query wizard.
Thanks heaps

Darren

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 12:42 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Need a Smarter Append Query


> Something like:
> 
> INSERT INTO tblWarnings ( BookingID, BookingDate, BookingTime, Cancelled )
> SELECT Bookings.BookingID, Bookings.BookingDate, Bookings.BookingTime,
> Bookings.Cancelled
> FROM Bookings
> 
> WHERE (((Bookings.BookingDate)=Date())) AND (Bookings.BookingID NOT
> IN(Select tblWarnings.BookingID from tblWarnings));
> 
> 
> IOW, use a sub query that selects all of the tblWarnings.BookingsIDs.
> Place that in a IN() clause.
> NOT it.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Darren DICK
> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 10:24 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Need a Smarter Append Query
> 
> 
> Hello all
> I have an append query that gets a few columns from one table(Bookings) and
> puts those
> few columns into another table (tblWarnings) Based on today's date. Very
> basic, see SQL below.
> 
> What I really want is for the SQL to only get bookings from the table
> Bookings and put them into
> tblWarnings if they are not already in tblBookings.
> 
> So if tblWarnings already has bookings 1, 2 and 3 from table bookings.
> I don't want the SQL to get them again if I run it. But if I add record 4 to
> table Bookings then
> run the append SQL, I do want it to get record 4 and ignore the other 3.
> Make sense?
> 
> INSERT INTO tblWarnings ( BookingID, BookingDate, BookingTime, Cancelled )
> SELECT Bookings.BookingID, Bookings.BookingDate, Bookings.BookingTime,
> Bookings.Cancelled
> FROM Bookings
> WHERE (((Bookings.BookingDate)=Date()));
> 
> Many thanks in advance
> 
> Darren
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> 
> 
> 
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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Mon May 12 22:05:51 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 12:35:51 +0930
Subject: [AccessD] Replication Manager or Briefcase
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A063@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

Check out Michael Kaplans site:
http://www.trigeminal.com <http://www.trigeminal.com> 
 
He's the guru of Access Replication, and among other things, has made his
own 'replication manager' much more powerful than the one from MS.  The are
a number of excellent articles on replication on his site also.
 
Additionally, you shouldn't need to install a replication manager on each
machine.
 
Cheers,
Andrew
 
 ----Original Message-----
From: John Skolits [mailto:askolits at ot.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2003 1:34 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Replication Manager or Briefcase



I'm trying to decide which is the best method to handle replication.

This will involve around 7 users. 

I have 2 office locations: 1 in Philadelphia and 1 in Cleveland. The are
connected with an Asynchronous line. Therefore the data connection will be
slow. They will eventually switch to a regular T1 line, but not for a few
months.

I have looked at the Replication Manager which looks like a good fit but I
would have to install it on all the PC's and (I believe) have the
synchronizer running on the server where everyone would replicate to. I
would then do indirect synchronization.

Someone said they used the Briefcase to do the synchronizations. With that
method, I would not have to install Replication Manager on all the PC's.

This is not mission critical information so the briefcase looks like a
better solution with much less programming overhead.

Anyone have any insights on this?

John


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue May 13 03:59:01 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 10:59:01 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] .NET - Access as report writer
In-Reply-To: <3E586F70.5080409@shaw.ca>
References: <00b001c2dad4$6d1c2c40$8e01a8c0@Rock> <3E586F70.5080409@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <10910946350.20030513105901@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Noticed this which could be of interest for some:

http://www.pinpub.com/sa/samag.nsf/0/4D4A392C7C92066085256D1300799719

Access: Your New .NET Report Writer
Danny J. Lesandrini

In the May 2002 issue of Smart Access, Danny Lesandrini showed how
easy it is to migrate existing Access reports to the Web using the
ExportXML function of Access 2002. A little tinkering with this
feature of Access has revealed its potential as a .NET report-writing
tool. Follow along as he shows how to create complex reports for .NET
applications using your favorite development tool, Microsoft Access.     

/gustav


From jbusergroups at optushome.com.au  Tue May 13 05:16:27 2003
From: jbusergroups at optushome.com.au (Joshua B)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 20:16:27 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Manual Database Synchronisation
Message-ID: <200305131014.h4DAEvF06264@mail019.syd.optusnet.com.au>

Group:

Hoping someone may have a few ideas on this. I am in the process of setting up specifications for the modification of a clients database. The client has offices in five different locations around the world, and a database that has been shared up until now using Access's in-built replication tool. At the end of each trading day, the database would be sent to the other offices, and they would synchronise. The db has now grown to the size where this is not possible anymore (It weighs in at around 5 megabytes zipped up, and the offices that don't have the luxury of cable are starting to complain). They wish to send only the new and updated records back and forth.

Eventually they will be looking at a web-based solution, but this will not be happening for at least a year, if not more.

My idea is to time-stamp each record when it is updated (or added), and then use this time stamp to determine which records need to be sent to the other offices. I have been assured that the offices will "never" (I know that thats a dirty word) be working on the same record on the same day, so there will be no need to update on a field-by-field basis, I'll simply overwrite the whole record with the updated information.

In the meantime, my main concern with setting this up is how I handle the primary keys for records. Up until now, I have been a firm believer in using an autonumber for a primary key. Of course, this will not be possible in this scenario. When a record is added to the system and sent to all the other offices, the primary keys will have to match, so that my code will be able to match up the updated records when imported at the other end. The best idea I have come up with is to use a random autonumber, and attach a time-stamp to the end of that, and use it as a primary key. For there to be a conflict, it would mean that two offices have generated a duplicate random autonumber at the exact same second. I'm quite happy with the odds of that never happening.

I just thought I would throw this in there, with the hope that maybe someone has done something similar in the past. And of course, there is the likely possibility that I am missing some incredibly easy way of doing this.

Thanks for reading :-)

Best regards.				 
Joshua B
jbusergroups at optushome.com.au
2003-05-13




From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue May 13 05:35:01 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 12:35:01 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Manual Database Synchronisation
In-Reply-To: <200305131014.h4DAEvF06264@mail019.syd.optusnet.com.au>
References: <200305131014.h4DAEvF06264@mail019.syd.optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <15616706122.20030513123501@cactus.dk>

Hi Joshua

A note: You may use a GUID as autonumber.
We had some discussion on GUIDs in December - look up the archive.

/gustav


> In the meantime, my main concern with setting this up is how I
> handle the primary keys for records. Up until now, I have been a
> firm believer in using an autonumber for a primary key. Of course,
> this will not be possible in this scenario. When a record is added
> to the system and sent to all the other offices, the primary keys
> will have to match, so that my code will be able to match up the
> updated records when imported at the other end. The best idea I have
> come up with is to use a random autonumber, and attach a time-stamp
> to the end of that, and use it as a primary key. For there to be a
> conflict, it would mean that two offices have generated a duplicate
> random autonumber at the exact same second. I'm quite happy with the
> odds of that never happening.


From jbusergroups at optushome.com.au  Tue May 13 06:22:25 2003
From: jbusergroups at optushome.com.au (Joshua B)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 21:22:25 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Manual Database Synchronisation
Message-ID: <200305131120.h4DBKto29687@mail012.syd.optusnet.com.au>

Hello Gustav Brock,

Thanks for the heads up. GUID's do indeed seem to fit the bill perfectly.

======= At 2003-05-13, 12:35:00 you wrote: =======

>Hi Joshua
>
>A note: You may use a GUID as autonumber.
>We had some discussion on GUIDs in December - look up the archive.
>
>/gustav
>
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
			

Best regards.				 
Joshua B
jbusergroups at optushome.com.au
2003-05-13




From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue May 13 07:26:00 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 08:26:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VB.Net classes / functions
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEENKDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Does anyone know how to force the class to open with all of it's functions
collapsed?  I go through and collapse the functions, and save the class.
When I re-open, the functions are all expanded again.  There are so many of
them it would be nice to start with all functions (and all classes inside a
single module) collapsed.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Tue May 13 07:40:42 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 08:40:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VB.Net classes / functions
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85BC0@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

John,

Are you looking to collapse each function individually or just sections of functions?  There is a method where you can define your own collapsable "region" within a code module.  I can't remember what the command you type into the IDE is (something like "<region>") but a search of help should tell you.  This probably won't collapse each function though just anything within your region tags.  Or maybe you could write a macro that does the same?

HTH

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


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Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 8:26 AM
To: VbAdmin; AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VB.Net classes / functions


Does anyone know how to force the class to open with all of it's functions
collapsed?  I go through and collapse the functions, and save the class.
When I re-open, the functions are all expanded again.  There are so many of
them it would be nice to start with all functions (and all classes inside a
single module) collapsed.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From Alun.Garraway at otto.de  Tue May 13 07:42:23 2003
From: Alun.Garraway at otto.de (Garraway, Alun)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 14:42:23 +0200
Subject: AW: [AccessD] OT: VB.Net classes / functions
Message-ID: <9F7DD6E5DB1ED611B4B10002A542365C013AE357@ntovmail05.ov.otto.de>

have you tried using zhe macro recorder?

alun

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Does anyone know how to force the class to open with all of it's functions
collapsed?  I go through and collapse the functions, and save the class.
When I re-open, the functions are all expanded again.  There are so many of
them it would be nice to start with all functions (and all classes inside a
single module) collapsed.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Tue May 13 07:41:14 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 22:11:14 +0930
Subject: [AccessD] .NET - Access as report writer
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A06E@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

Interesting read. Thanks for that.

Cheers,
Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2003 6:29 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] .NET - Access as report writer


Hi all

Noticed this which could be of interest for some:

http://www.pinpub.com/sa/samag.nsf/0/4D4A392C7C92066085256D1300799719

Access: Your New .NET Report Writer
Danny J. Lesandrini

In the May 2002 issue of Smart Access, Danny Lesandrini showed how
easy it is to migrate existing Access reports to the Web using the
ExportXML function of Access 2002. A little tinkering with this
feature of Access has revealed its potential as a .NET report-writing
tool. Follow along as he shows how to create complex reports for .NET
applications using your favorite development tool, Microsoft Access.     

/gustav

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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Tue May 13 07:42:01 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 22:12:01 +0930
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VB.Net classes / functions
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Been wondering about that for a while now.

Might post to a couple of .Net groups and see if they can help.  Will report
back.

Cheers,
Andrew

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Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2003 9:56 PM
To: VbAdmin; AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VB.Net classes / functions


Does anyone know how to force the class to open with all of it's functions
collapsed?  I go through and collapse the functions, and save the class.
When I re-open, the functions are all expanded again.  There are so many of
them it would be nice to start with all functions (and all classes inside a
single module) collapsed.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From askolits at ot.com  Tue May 13 07:45:27 2003
From: askolits at ot.com (John Skolits)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 08:45:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Replication Manager or Briefcase
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MessageAndrew,

Thanks for getting back to me. I looked at Mike's site (haven't been there
for a while- Gee I wish he had a search tool).

I also posted on the MS newsgroup and Mike responded. Here was his comment:

"Do not use the briefcase. It is less painful to hit your hand with a hammer
than to put yourself through that kind of pain.
MichKa [MS]"

I like the way he is so direct. Anyway, I've been doing a lot of reading
from newsgroup postings and I'm confused about one thing.
I'm getting the impression that I do have to install the Rep Mngr app on
each machine.
I'm thinking that I will want to periodically do indirect Sync to my hub
database but in order to do that, I will need the synchronizer on each PC.

Here is a posting that talks about it. Is this person wrong or do I
misunderstand something.
Go to the following link and select the posting with the topic: "What is the
best way to do this"

http://support.microsoft.com/newsgroups/default.aspx?NewsGroup=microsoft.pub
lic.access.replication&SLCID=US&ICP=GSS3&sd=GN&id=fh;en-us;newsgroups


John

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  Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 11:06 PM
  To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Replication Manager or Briefcase


  Check out Michael Kaplans site:
  http://www.trigeminal.com

  He's the guru of Access Replication, and among other things, has made his
own 'replication manager' much more powerful than the one from MS.  The are
a number of excellent articles on replication on his site also.

  Additionally, you shouldn't need to install a replication manager on each
machine.

  Cheers,
  Andrew

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  Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2003 1:34 AM
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: [AccessD] Replication Manager or Briefcase


    I'm trying to decide which is the best method to handle replication.

    This will involve around 7 users.

    I have 2 office locations: 1 in Philadelphia and 1 in Cleveland. The are
connected with an Asynchronous line. Therefore the data connection will be
slow. They will eventually switch to a regular T1 line, but not for a few
months.

    I have looked at the Replication Manager which looks like a good fit but
I would have to install it on all the PC's and (I believe) have the
synchronizer running on the server where everyone would replicate to. I
would then do indirect synchronization.

    Someone said they used the Briefcase to do the synchronizations. With
that method, I would not have to install Replication Manager on all the
PC's.

    This is not mission critical information so the briefcase looks like a
better solution with much less programming overhead.

    Anyone have any insights on this?

    John



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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue May 13 07:48:36 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 08:48:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VB.Net classes / functions
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85BC0@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
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No, what I am trying to do is collapse everything the way I want to see it
when I open it next time, save it, and when I open the project the next time
have everything collapsed the same way it was when I closed it.  ATM, it
disregards the look and feel when I saved it and expands every single little
stupid thing the next time I open that module.

I found the region keyword, but all that really allows is to set a block of
code as collapseable, which is cool, but not helpful for this.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 8:41 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: VB.Net classes / functions


John,

Are you looking to collapse each function individually or just sections of
functions?  There is a method where you can define your own collapsable
"region" within a code module.  I can't remember what the command you type
into the IDE is (something like "<region>") but a search of help should tell
you.  This probably won't collapse each function though just anything within
your region tags.  Or maybe you could write a macro that does the same?

HTH

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 8:26 AM
To: VbAdmin; AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VB.Net classes / functions


Does anyone know how to force the class to open with all of it's functions
collapsed?  I go through and collapse the functions, and save the class.
When I re-open, the functions are all expanded again.  There are so many of
them it would be nice to start with all functions (and all classes inside a
single module) collapsed.

John W. Colby
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Tue May 13 07:59:44 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 08:59:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VB.Net classes / functions
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85BC2@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

So I guessed you've searched for a "save workspace" type function already?  If that doesn't exist you may be SOL.  Maybe search Codehound to see if someone's written an add-in of some sort (or a new project for yourself!! ;-).

Jim DeMarco


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From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 8:49 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: VB.Net classes / functions


No, what I am trying to do is collapse everything the way I want to see it
when I open it next time, save it, and when I open the project the next time
have everything collapsed the same way it was when I closed it.  ATM, it
disregards the look and feel when I saved it and expands every single little
stupid thing the next time I open that module.

I found the region keyword, but all that really allows is to set a block of
code as collapseable, which is cool, but not helpful for this.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 8:41 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: VB.Net classes / functions


John,

Are you looking to collapse each function individually or just sections of
functions?  There is a method where you can define your own collapsable
"region" within a code module.  I can't remember what the command you type
into the IDE is (something like "<region>") but a search of help should tell
you.  This probably won't collapse each function though just anything within
your region tags.  Or maybe you could write a macro that does the same?

HTH

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 8:26 AM
To: VbAdmin; AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VB.Net classes / functions


Does anyone know how to force the class to open with all of it's functions
collapsed?  I go through and collapse the functions, and save the class.
When I re-open, the functions are all expanded again.  There are so many of
them it would be nice to start with all functions (and all classes inside a
single module) collapsed.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From artful at rogers.com  Tue May 13 08:06:01 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 09:06:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Replication Manager or Briefcase
In-Reply-To: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFAEMJCKAA.askolits@ot.com>
Message-ID: <019e01c31950$67738d50$8e01a8c0@Rock>

No you do not have to install RM on each machine. I have quite a bit of
experience (and good stories) with RM, so allow me....
 
In my first experiments with replication, I needed to replicate a db among 4
branch offices connected over the net with a vpn. In this phase, each office
had a server that was being hit by each local pc. The server at HQ had the
synchronizer installed, and it replicated among the office servers every 15
minutes. It worked flawlessly. Then I got to thinking that this same
scenario would work locally, and eliminate 90% of the net traffic that a
classic FE/BE would normally incur. So I set up a synchronizer on each
branch server, and a replica on each local pc. The branch server
synchronized the local pcs with the server BE every 5 minutes, and the HQ
server synchronized the branch server replicas.
 
All replicas were set up as managed replicas, save one: the master replica,
which resided on my development box, alongside my own managed replica. When
I modified tables etc. and changed the FE to work against the master
correctly, tested etc., I was then ready to publish the changes. I manually
synched my master replica with my local replica. Five minutes later it
synched with the branch replica, propagating the changes both locally and
company-wide. It worked flawlessly for months, until eventually we migrated
to SQL 2000.
 
As a result of these experiments, I am now convinced that the classic FE/BE
setup is obsolete. The setup outlined above, even for a single office with
say 20 users, is dramatically faster than the classic layout.
 
Arthur
 
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Skolits
Sent: May 13, 2003 8:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Replication Manager or Briefcase



Andrew,
 
Thanks for getting back to me. I looked at Mike's site (haven't been there
for a while- Gee I wish he had a search tool).
 
I also posted on the MS newsgroup and Mike responded. Here was his comment:
 
"Do not use the briefcase. It is less painful to hit your hand with a hammer
than to put yourself through that kind of pain.
MichKa [MS]"
 
I like the way he is so direct. Anyway, I've been doing a lot of reading
from newsgroup postings and I'm confused about one thing.
I'm getting the impression that I do have to install the Rep Mngr app on
each machine. 
I'm thinking that I will want to periodically do indirect Sync to my hub
database but in order to do that, I will need the synchronizer on each PC.
 
Here is a posting that talks about it. Is this person wrong or do I
misunderstand something.
Go to the following link and select the posting with the topic: "What is the
best way to do this"
 
http://support.microsoft.com/newsgroups/default.aspx?NewsGroup=microsoft.pub
lic.access.replication
<http://support.microsoft.com/newsgroups/default.aspx?NewsGroup=microsoft.pu
blic.access.replication&SLCID=US&ICP=GSS3&sd=GN&id=fh;en-us;newsgroups>
&SLCID=US&ICP=GSS3&sd=GN&id=fh;en-us;newsgroups
 
 
John 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Haslett, Andrew
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 11:06 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Replication Manager or Briefcase


Check out Michael Kaplans site:
http://www.trigeminal.com
 
He's the guru of Access Replication, and among other things, has made his
own 'replication manager' much more powerful than the one from MS.  The are
a number of excellent articles on replication on his site also.
 
Additionally, you shouldn't need to install a replication manager on each
machine.
 
Cheers,
Andrew
 
 ----Original Message-----
From: John Skolits [mailto:askolits at ot.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2003 1:34 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Replication Manager or Briefcase



I'm trying to decide which is the best method to handle replication.

This will involve around 7 users. 

I have 2 office locations: 1 in Philadelphia and 1 in Cleveland. The are
connected with an Asynchronous line. Therefore the data connection will be
slow. They will eventually switch to a regular T1 line, but not for a few
months.

I have looked at the Replication Manager which looks like a good fit but I
would have to install it on all the PC's and (I believe) have the
synchronizer running on the server where everyone would replicate to. I
would then do indirect synchronization.

Someone said they used the Briefcase to do the synchronizations. With that
method, I would not have to install Replication Manager on all the PC's.

This is not mission critical information so the briefcase looks like a
better solution with much less programming overhead.

Anyone have any insights on this?

John


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From askolits at ot.com  Tue May 13 09:14:08 2003
From: askolits at ot.com (John Skolits)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 10:14:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Replication Manager or Briefcase
In-Reply-To: <019e01c31950$67738d50$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFEENBCKAA.askolits@ot.com>

MessageSo if I understand this, you suggest foregoing the FE/BE design,
place everything in one DB and use replication? HMMM interesting.

But, if I have 5 of 7 users on a local network, I would want their data
refreshes to be immediate on the data tables. The remote users won't care if
they refresh only periodically.
I would think that in this scenario, I would prefer to have a FE/BE design
on the local network with the one shared BE being a replica. On the remotes,
I would also want FE/BE design but all their individual BEs be separate
replicas.
But, now I'm mixing a shared BE and remote replica BEs. Is this a bad idea?

In addition, I like the idea of one replica on a local server (sub-hub)
managed by a synchronizer and then synchronized with the main hub replica.
But, I thought each replica on the satellite PCs had to have a drop box. If
that's so, don't you have to install RepMnger on each PC have to have the
drop boxes?

Gee, a lot to learn.

John


  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
  Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 9:06 AM
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Replication Manager or Briefcase


  No you do not have to install RM on each machine. I have quite a bit of
experience (and good stories) with RM, so allow me....

  In my first experiments with replication, I needed to replicate a db among
4 branch offices connected over the net with a vpn. In this phase, each
office had a server that was being hit by each local pc. The server at HQ
had the synchronizer installed, and it replicated among the office servers
every 15 minutes. It worked flawlessly. Then I got to thinking that this
same scenario would work locally, and eliminate 90% of the net traffic that
a classic FE/BE would normally incur. So I set up a synchronizer on each
branch server, and a replica on each local pc. The branch server
synchronized the local pcs with the server BE every 5 minutes, and the HQ
server synchronized the branch server replicas.

  All replicas were set up as managed replicas, save one: the master
replica, which resided on my development box, alongside my own managed
replica. When I modified tables etc. and changed the FE to work against the
master correctly, tested etc., I was then ready to publish the changes. I
manually synched my master replica with my local replica. Five minutes later
it synched with the branch replica, propagating the changes both locally and
company-wide. It worked flawlessly for months, until eventually we migrated
to SQL 2000.

  As a result of these experiments, I am now convinced that the classic
FE/BE setup is obsolete. The setup outlined above, even for a single office
with say 20 users, is dramatically faster than the classic layout.

  Arthur

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Skolits
  Sent: May 13, 2003 8:45 AM
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Replication Manager or Briefcase


    Andrew,

    Thanks for getting back to me. I looked at Mike's site (haven't been
there for a while- Gee I wish he had a search tool).

    I also posted on the MS newsgroup and Mike responded. Here was his
comment:

    "Do not use the briefcase. It is less painful to hit your hand with a
hammer
    than to put yourself through that kind of pain.
    MichKa [MS]"

    I like the way he is so direct. Anyway, I've been doing a lot of reading
from newsgroup postings and I'm confused about one thing.
    I'm getting the impression that I do have to install the Rep Mngr app on
each machine.
    I'm thinking that I will want to periodically do indirect Sync to my hub
database but in order to do that, I will need the synchronizer on each PC.

    Here is a posting that talks about it. Is this person wrong or do I
misunderstand something.
    Go to the following link and select the posting with the topic: "What is
the best way to do this"


http://support.microsoft.com/newsgroups/default.aspx?NewsGroup=microsoft.pub
lic.access.replication&SLCID=US&ICP=GSS3&sd=GN&id=fh;en-us;newsgroups


    John

      -----Original Message-----
      From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Haslett, Andrew
      Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 11:06 PM
      To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
      Subject: RE: [AccessD] Replication Manager or Briefcase


      Check out Michael Kaplans site:
      http://www.trigeminal.com

      He's the guru of Access Replication, and among other things, has made
his own 'replication manager' much more powerful than the one from MS.  The
are a number of excellent articles on replication on his site also.

      Additionally, you shouldn't need to install a replication manager on
each machine.

      Cheers,
      Andrew

       ----Original Message-----
      From: John Skolits [mailto:askolits at ot.com]
      Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2003 1:34 AM
      To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
      Subject: [AccessD] Replication Manager or Briefcase


        I'm trying to decide which is the best method to handle replication.

        This will involve around 7 users.

        I have 2 office locations: 1 in Philadelphia and 1 in Cleveland. The
are connected with an Asynchronous line. Therefore the data connection will
be slow. They will eventually switch to a regular T1 line, but not for a few
months.

        I have looked at the Replication Manager which looks like a good fit
but I would have to install it on all the PC's and (I believe) have the
synchronizer running on the server where everyone would replicate to. I
would then do indirect synchronization.

        Someone said they used the Briefcase to do the synchronizations.
With that method, I would not have to install Replication Manager on all the
PC's.

        This is not mission critical information so the briefcase looks like
a better solution with much less programming overhead.

        Anyone have any insights on this?

        John



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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Tue May 13 10:00:30 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 16:00:30 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956904@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a position
as a systems developer later in the week.

Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input from
y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience, who will be
expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very taxing), some light
(but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair amount of Office integration
and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2. 

It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at the
moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking than 100%
correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' answers with them
at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for me let me know and I'll
mail you the word doc.

TIA

Roz
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue May 13 10:06:33 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 11:06:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956904@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEENPDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Technical test for developersWill you hire me if I pass?  ;-)
John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
  Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 11:01 AM
  To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
  Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


  I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a
position as a systems developer later in the week.

  Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input from
y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience, who will be
expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very taxing), some light
(but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair amount of Office integration
and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2.

  It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at the
moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking than 100%
correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' answers with them
at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for me let me know and I'll
mail you the word doc.

  TIA

  Roz
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Tue May 13 10:18:41 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 16:18:41 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956906@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

I can't afford you, JC <vbg>

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: 13 May 2003 16:07
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


Will you hire me if I pass?  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 11:01 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers



I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a position
as a systems developer later in the week. 

Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input from
y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience, who will be
expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very taxing), some light
(but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair amount of Office integration
and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2. 

It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at the
moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking than 100%
correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' answers with them
at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for me let me know and I'll
mail you the word doc.

TIA 

Roz 

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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Tue May 13 10:26:08 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 15:26:08 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
Message-ID: <20030513152608.VDPR25735.fep08-svc.ttys.com@localhost>

6 years access 97/2000/XP experience, 2 years Visual Basic, 3 years SQL SERVER 7/2000, and around 6 years MS Office.......I could do with moving out of England......weather is rubbish.......


From: Roz Clarke <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
Date: Tue 13/May/2003 15:18 GMT
To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers

I can't afford you, JC <vbg>

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: 13 May 2003 16:07
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


Will you hire me if I pass?  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 11:01 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers



I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a position
as a systems developer later in the week. 

Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input from
y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience, who will be
expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very taxing), some light
(but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair amount of Office integration
and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2. 

It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at the
moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking than 100%
correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' answers with them
at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for me let me know and I'll
mail you the word doc.

TIA 

Roz 


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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Tue May 13 10:36:47 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 16:36:47 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C831880395690A@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Sorry for you. You sound ideal but I am in Manchester (England) and the
weather is... rubbish. So I'm not your dream ticket! Oh well! 

If it's not too rude a question, what would your salary expectations be?
Ball park figure?

-----Original Message-----
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net [mailto:paul.hartland at fsmail.net] 
Sent: 13 May 2003 16:26
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


6 years access 97/2000/XP experience, 2 years Visual Basic, 3 years SQL
SERVER 7/2000, and around 6 years MS Office.......I could do with moving out
of England......weather is rubbish.......


From: Roz Clarke <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
Date: Tue 13/May/2003 15:18 GMT
To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers

I can't afford you, JC <vbg>

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: 13 May 2003 16:07
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


Will you hire me if I pass?  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 11:01 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers



I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a position
as a systems developer later in the week. 

Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input from
y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience, who will be
expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very taxing), some light
(but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair amount of Office integration
and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2. 

It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at the
moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking than 100%
correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' answers with them
at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for me let me know and I'll
mail you the word doc.

TIA 

Roz 


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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Tue May 13 10:50:25 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 15:50:25 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
Message-ID: <20030513155025.EQEH16200.fep11-svc.ttys.com@localhost>

I'm currently looking for a salary range of between ?25-?28k....A Lot I know, but what I can do I do well.....What I can't, well that's what this list is here for....ha ha

From: Roz Clarke <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
Date: Tue 13/May/2003 15:36 GMT
To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers

Sorry for you. You sound ideal but I am in Manchester (England) and the
weather is... rubbish. So I'm not your dream ticket! Oh well! 

If it's not too rude a question, what would your salary expectations be?
Ball park figure?

-----Original Message-----
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net [mailto:paul.hartland at fsmail.net] 
Sent: 13 May 2003 16:26
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


6 years access 97/2000/XP experience, 2 years Visual Basic, 3 years SQL
SERVER 7/2000, and around 6 years MS Office.......I could do with moving out
of England......weather is rubbish.......


From: Roz Clarke <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
Date: Tue 13/May/2003 15:18 GMT
To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers

I can't afford you, JC <vbg>

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: 13 May 2003 16:07
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


Will you hire me if I pass?  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 11:01 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers



I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a position
as a systems developer later in the week. 

Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input from
y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience, who will be
expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very taxing), some light
(but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair amount of Office integration
and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2. 

It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at the
moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking than 100%
correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' answers with them
at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for me let me know and I'll
mail you the word doc.

TIA 

Roz 


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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Tue May 13 10:50:37 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 10:50:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357F2@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Roz,
 
I am interested in looking at it.  I will try to give you some feedback.
 
 

Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday 2003 May 13 10:01
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers



I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a
position as a systems developer later in the week. 

Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input
from y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience, who
will be expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very
taxing), some light (but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair
amount of Office integration and ideally will know enough VB to show me
a thing or 2. 

It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at the
moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking than
100% correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' answers
with them at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for me let me
know and I'll mail you the word doc.

TIA 

Roz 

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From ranthony at wrsystems.com  Tue May 13 10:59:38 2003
From: ranthony at wrsystems.com (Randall Anthony)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 11:59:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
Message-ID: <5F21A4E8B8DD734992EF9E70AC9D30641285C4@mail2.wrsystems.com>

Yeah, count me in too.  I'm curious to see how I stack up.  Thanks.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 11:51 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers

 

Roz,

 

I am interested in looking at it.  I will try to give you some feedback.

 

 

Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
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-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday 2003 May 13 10:01
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers

I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a position
as a systems developer later in the week. 

Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input from
y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience, who will be
expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very taxing), some light
(but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair amount of Office integration
and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2. 

It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at the
moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking than 100%
correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' answers with them
at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for me let me know and I'll
mail you the word doc.

TIA 

Roz 

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From R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk  Tue May 13 10:59:05 2003
From: R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk (Griffiths, Richard)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 16:59:05 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
Message-ID: <52339DF8DCA2A544AF660C8217EB7DCD0227F171@MAILGATE.bury.gov.uk>

Roz
I'll give it a whirl - if I get a min or two
Richard
Manchester

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Roz Clarke [SMTP:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
> Sent:	13 May 2003 16:01
> To:	'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject:	[AccessD] Technical test for developers
> 
> I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a
> position as a systems developer later in the week. 
> 
> Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input from
> y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience, who will
> be expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very taxing), some
> light (but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair amount of Office
> integration and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2. 
> 
> It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at the
> moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking than 100%
> correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' answers with them
> at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for me let me know and
> I'll mail you the word doc.
> 
> TIA 
> 
> Roz 
>  << File: ATT60426.txt >> 


From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Tue May 13 11:24:25 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 17:24:25 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956913@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Then I can't quite afford you either. I *might* be able to eke ?25k from the
PTBs but there'd be no raises to follow. So... for ?23k or thereabouts I
guess I can expect someone competent but not dazzling.

-----Original Message-----
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net [mailto:paul.hartland at fsmail.net] 
Sent: 13 May 2003 16:50
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


I'm currently looking for a salary range of between ?25-?28k....A Lot I
know, but what I can do I do well.....What I can't, well that's what this
list is here for....ha ha

From: Roz Clarke <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
Date: Tue 13/May/2003 15:36 GMT
To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers

Sorry for you. You sound ideal but I am in Manchester (England) and the
weather is... rubbish. So I'm not your dream ticket! Oh well! 

If it's not too rude a question, what would your salary expectations be?
Ball park figure?

-----Original Message-----
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net [mailto:paul.hartland at fsmail.net] 
Sent: 13 May 2003 16:26
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


6 years access 97/2000/XP experience, 2 years Visual Basic, 3 years SQL
SERVER 7/2000, and around 6 years MS Office.......I could do with moving out
of England......weather is rubbish.......


From: Roz Clarke <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
Date: Tue 13/May/2003 15:18 GMT
To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers

I can't afford you, JC <vbg>

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: 13 May 2003 16:07
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


Will you hire me if I pass?  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 11:01 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers



I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a position
as a systems developer later in the week. 

Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input from
y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience, who will be
expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very taxing), some light
(but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair amount of Office integration
and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2. 

It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at the
moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking than 100%
correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' answers with them
at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for me let me know and I'll
mail you the word doc.

TIA 

Roz 


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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Tue May 13 11:28:03 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 17:28:03 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956914@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Did you want the test, BTW? Or are you just tweaking my nose?
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: 13 May 2003 16:19
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


I can't afford you, JC <vbg>

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: 13 May 2003 16:07
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


Will you hire me if I pass?  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 11:01 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers



I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a position
as a systems developer later in the week. 

Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input from
y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience, who will be
expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very taxing), some light
(but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair amount of Office integration
and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2. 

It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at the
moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking than 100%
correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' answers with them
at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for me let me know and I'll
mail you the word doc.

TIA 

Roz 

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue May 13 11:33:14 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 11:33:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C00@main2.marlow.com>

Hey, if it works, it works.  The big advantage in this case, with a VB
service versus AT, is that you are using Access vs. VB.  Access is much
heavier on the resources then VB is, so a VB service that runs a data
crunching routine would be more lite weight then a full blown .mdb.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
[mailto:SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au]
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 9:14 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT


Drew - thanks for that explanation. So if this code were in vb instead of
vba then I could look at building an NT service OCX and add my system as a
service.
 
OK - but for an mdb I may as well us AT?
 
Kath
 
 
----- Original Message ----- 

From: Drew Wutka <mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com>  
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' <mailto:'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'>  
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 7:23 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT

Pure VB codes almost exactly the same as VBA.  The syntax is identical,
there are just a few minor changes in functions (such as AddressOf is a
default ability in VB, and Eval is only available in VBA).
 
As far as the NT Service OCX, let me explain....
 
A service is something that runs on your machine whether you are logged onto
it or not.  (Once Windows has loaded it's device driver's, etc., then it
starts the services).  In 9x, services are just a registry entry
(HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunService) (That may be
RunAsService...don't remember, and it's not on NT machines, which is what I
am using now...)  Any program can be placed there in the registry, and it is
run by windows as soon as it comes up....regardless of whether a desktop is
loaded or not.
 
Now, an NT service is similar, however, it's not a normal registry entry.
Services is part of the Administrative control panel.  (Control Panel -->
Administrative Tools).  That lists every service running on your machine.
>From that panel, you can start and stop services, you can set whether they
can interact with the desktop, or what NT account is used to run the service
as.  Pretty flexible.  However, to 'build' an NT service, requires callback
capability, since the system has to 'holler' at the service to start or
stop, etc.  The NT service OCX (ActiveX control) provides that callback
capability to VB.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
[mailto:SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:46 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT


Hi drew - this is an mdb - the basic process it performs is to log on to an
external system, read in some data, manipulate that data and export it out
to an external txt file.
 
I have done it in vba only because I do not know pure vb (and don't own it).
There's no requirement to change it as it does the job - just need it
automated. They are running Windows NT. You lost me on the NT service OCX.
What is that?
 
Rgds
Kath

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Drew  <mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com> Wutka 
To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com  <mailto:'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com '>
' 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:25 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT

What are you trying to run.  Is it just a data routine, or is it running
reports?  If it's just a data routine, I personally recommend using the NT
service OCX, which allows a VB .exe to run as an NT service.  Much easier to
deal with, shows up in the list of services, the ocx has an easy method to
dump information in the event viewer, etc.

Running reports can be done this way too, but it needs to use Automation.  

>From what I understand, VB.Net has the NT Service capability built in.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com <mailto:AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> 
Sent: 5/8/03 10:08 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT

Have any of you had much experience with scheduling applications to run
(ie. mdb files) using the AT command?
 
I am trying to get a job to run overnight for a client using the
following syntax:
 
at 14:26 /interactive /Every:M,T,W,Th,F cmd /c D:\Prices\Priceload.bat
 
where the files Priceload.bat contains the following:
  _____  

@ECHO OFF
REM Daily Price File Load
TITLE GBST PRICE LOAD
 
M:
cd \Price
echo ENTER PRICE FOLDER
ntsleep 2 > nul
 
Call Price.mdb

  _____  

 
I then get the message 'M:\Price\Price.mdb file not found'.
 
Because it is real PITN to keep mucking around with this syntax in DOS,
I am also having a play with some shareware(?) the client had called
WINAT. It seems good, but when I use it at my client site to edit the
paremeters of the AT command, extra characters appear at the end of the
command, so I am not sure whether the command will work or not.
Characters are things like pipes and @symbols. 
 
So my question for anyone using AT is: do you have any tips to share?
What is the most reliable way you have found to schedule an mdb to run?
 
TIA
Kath
 
 
Kath Pelletti
Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
Ph: 9505-6714
Fax: 9505-6430
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue May 13 11:35:18 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 11:35:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C01@main2.marlow.com>

Send it to me, sounds like fun... I have practically no experience with SQL
Server though......<grin>
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 10:01 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers



I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a position
as a systems developer later in the week. 

Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input from
y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience, who will be
expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very taxing), some light
(but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair amount of Office integration
and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2. 

It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at the
moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking than 100%
correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' answers with them
at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for me let me know and I'll
mail you the word doc.

TIA 

Roz 

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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Tue May 13 11:35:09 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 17:35:09 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956915@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

To everyone who has volunteered to test the test - I'm leaving work now and
I'll respond tomorrow to any feedback you can offer me. Thanks very much for
your help.
 
Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: 13 May 2003 16:01
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers



I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a position
as a systems developer later in the week. 

Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input from
y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience, who will be
expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very taxing), some light
(but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair amount of Office integration
and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2. 

It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at the
moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking than 100%
correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' answers with them
at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for me let me know and I'll
mail you the word doc.

TIA 

Roz 

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From nancy.lytle at auatac.com  Tue May 13 11:46:17 2003
From: nancy.lytle at auatac.com (Nancy Lytle)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 12:46:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956915@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <OPEHJDCMPKDOHDELKBPHOEKPDLAA.nancy.lytle@auatac.com>

MessageDid you send the test?

Nancy L
  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
  Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 12:35 PM
  To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


  To everyone who has volunteered to test the test - I'm leaving work now
and I'll respond tomorrow to any feedback you can offer me. Thanks very much
for your help.

  Roz
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
    Sent: 13 May 2003 16:01
    To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
    Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


    I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a
position as a systems developer later in the week.

    Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input
from y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience, who
will be expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very taxing),
some light (but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair amount of Office
integration and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2.

    It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at the
moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking than 100%
correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' answers with them
at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for me let me know and I'll
mail you the word doc.

    TIA

    Roz
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From artful at rogers.com  Tue May 13 11:52:01 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 12:52:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access + Pegasus
Message-ID: <01ab01c31970$013555d0$8e01a8c0@Rock>

I have some slick email routines that work with Access, but until today they
have assumed Outlook and its object model. Suddenly I have to assume
Pegasus, about which I know nothing. I'll search the list for references in
a moment, but right now I don't know a thing about it. Is it easy? Tough?
What are the advantages of Pegasus as opposed to Outlook? Should I consider
switching my own email client?

TIA,
Arthur


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue May 13 11:58:55 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 12:58:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956914@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEOFDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

MessageRoz,

Mostly I was tweaking your nose, which of course I am known for enjoying.

DBA has discussed in the past building a "test" that we could publish for
the use of our members when hiring employees.  I'd love to see what you have
come up with.
John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
  Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 12:28 PM
  To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


  Did you want the test, BTW? Or are you just tweaking my nose?

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
    Sent: 13 May 2003 16:19
    To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
    Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


    I can't afford you, JC <vbg>
      -----Original Message-----
      From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
      Sent: 13 May 2003 16:07
      To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
      Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


      Will you hire me if I pass?  ;-)
      John W. Colby
      www.colbyconsulting.com

        -----Original Message-----
        From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
        Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 11:01 AM
        To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
        Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


        I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a
position as a systems developer later in the week.

        Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input
from y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience, who
will be expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very taxing),
some light (but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair amount of Office
integration and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2.

        It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at
the moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking than
100% correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' answers with
them at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for me let me know and
I'll mail you the word doc.

        TIA

        Roz
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From artful at rogers.com  Tue May 13 12:06:56 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 13:06:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Replication Manager or Briefcase
In-Reply-To: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFEENBCKAA.askolits@ot.com>
Message-ID: <01fc01c31972$0eee24c0$8e01a8c0@Rock>

Ooops sorry that is NOT what I am suggesting. Keep the classic FE/BE design,
but put a replica on each local PC and put the synchronizer on some box that
is guaranteed to be up 99% of the time. The latter can be the database
server or any other box. In my case I chose my development box, since I
never shut it off.
 
So:
the main replica (let's call it the office replica) lives where your current
BE lives.
a replica exists on every PC in the branch.
the master replica lives on your development box.
you also have another replica on your box.
 
All but the master are managed replicas (i.e. the synchronizer does
everything).
 
This leaves you free to monkey with the master, to change table structures
etc., to write new code against the master and test until you're satisfied.
Once you're ready to roll out a new version of the BE, just synchronize with
your local replica, and next interval the synchronizer will propagate the
changes to every other replica. You don't even have to bring the system down
to achieve this.
 
To add new branch offices (assuming a WAN or VPN), place a synchroizer on
each branch's file server and have it synchronize the local replicas. Have
the HQ synchronizer manage the branch replicas. 
 
Drop boxes are necessary only for indirect (FTP or internet) replication,
but unnecessary for direct replication.
 
HTH,
Arthur
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Skolits
Sent: May 13, 2003 10:14 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Replication Manager or Briefcase



So if I understand this, you suggest foregoing the FE/BE design, place
everything in one DB and use replication? HMMM interesting.
 
But, if I have 5 of 7 users on a local network, I would want their data
refreshes to be immediate on the data tables. The remote users won't care if
they refresh only periodically.
I would think that in this scenario, I would prefer to have a FE/BE design
on the local network with the one shared BE being a replica. On the remotes,
I would also want FE/BE design but all their individual BEs be separate
replicas. 
But, now I'm mixing a shared BE and remote replica BEs. Is this a bad idea?
 
In addition, I like the idea of one replica on a local server (sub-hub)
managed by a synchronizer and then synchronized with the main hub replica. 
But, I thought each replica on the satellite PCs had to have a drop box. If
that's so, don't you have to install RepMnger on each PC have to have the
drop boxes?
 
Gee, a lot to learn.
 
John
 
 

 

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From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca  Tue May 13 12:09:46 2003
From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 13:09:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access + Pegasus
Message-ID: <sec0eea3.058@cbc.ca>

Arthur,

AFAIK, Pegasus doesn't support true automation the way LookOut does. However, you can use DDE commands to work with Pegasus.

I have a demo of how to use DDE to send the currently opened Word doc via Pegasus automatically. You can grab it from:
http://www3.sympatico.ca/carbonnb/bryan/utilities.html

Advantages. Where do you start :-))

Free :-))
Not a target of virii
Doens't have scripting so you can't get bitten by script virii (ala Kl*z)
Doesn't automatically get images from websites that are links in e-mails - Keeps you safe from web bugs - You can download them if you want, but you have to explicity tell Pegasus to get them.
Filtering rules that are at least 1000% better that Outlook.
Server Side filtering rules
Content Control filtering rules
Ability to handle LARGE volumes of e-mail. Last look at home I had almost 100K e-mails (Yes that is one hundred THOUSAND) with no performance issues. At one point I had almost 120K until I deleted a bunch of stuff (I only delete spam and very little else) It takes up about 1/2 a gig of drive space.
It does e-mail and e-mail only.
Can display plain text if you want to ignore the HTML "junk"
Multiple Users and the users can have multiple identities.
Supports POP3, SMTP and IMAP protocols

What else am I forgetting Stuart?

How's that for a start?

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

>>> artful at rogers.com 13-May-03 12:52:01 PM >>>
I have some slick email routines that work with Access, but until today they
have assumed Outlook and its object model. Suddenly I have to assume
Pegasus, about which I know nothing. I'll search the list for references in
a moment, but right now I don't know a thing about it. Is it easy? Tough?
What are the advantages of Pegasus as opposed to Outlook? Should I consider
switching my own email client?

TIA,
Arthur

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From jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com  Tue May 13 11:43:01 2003
From: jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com (jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 11:43:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 
Message-ID: <OF1E320594.E86844C2-ON86256D25.005BCE45-86256D25.005BD455@nc.us.bank-dns.com>

"Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
Sent by: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
05/13/2003 11:35 AM
Please respond to accessd

 
        To:     "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
        cc: 
        Subject:        RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


To everyone who has volunteered to test the test - I'm leaving work now 
and I'll respond tomorrow to any feedback you can offer me. Thanks very 
much for your help.
 
Roz
-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: 13 May 2003 16:01
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers

I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a 
position as a systems developer later in the week. 
Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input from 
y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience, who will 
be expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very taxing), some 
light (but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair amount of Office 
integration and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2. 
It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at the 
moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking than 100% 
correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' answers with them 
at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for me let me know and 
I'll mail you the word doc.
TIA 
Roz _______________________________________________
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From Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com  Tue May 13 13:11:00 2003
From: Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com (Lavsa, Rich)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 14:11:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Personal question about OCX
Message-ID: <833956F5C117124A89417638FDB11290EBCE6D@goexchange.pghcorning.com>

Drew,
 
We bought software that has some automation programs that receive email and
send email among other things.  Each one is a separate "module" or "add in"
for this software package.  They were intended to run on a pc and started by
an individual as they were needed.  Our need exceeded this use, we need this
to run 24 / 7, so we started them on the server, and simply locked the
computer letting the "modules" run.  I did look in to the OCX to see if I
could convert these little exe's into services that would run on the server
without logging into the server, however I believe you need to insert code
into the applications on load events or something if I remember correctly.  
 
Do you know of any other way to let an application that should be a service,
run as a service.  Hang up is that I cannot gain access to the source code
without paying, or having them do it and charge us out the wazzoo??  All I
have is an EXE that I kick off.  
 
Just looking for some insight...
 
thanks,
Rich
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue May 13 13:27:01 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 11:27:01 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Personal question about OCX
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F4D@infoserver01.infostat.local>

If you bought it to run on demand on a single PC, running it as a
service on a server may very well be a violation of your EULA on the
software.
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Lavsa, Rich [mailto:Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com] 
	Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 10:11 AM
	To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
	Subject: [AccessD] Personal question about OCX
	
	
	Drew,
	 
	We bought software that has some automation programs that
receive email and send email among other things.  Each one is a separate
"module" or "add in" for this software package.  They were intended to
run on a pc and started by an individual as they were needed.  Our need
exceeded this use, we need this to run 24 / 7, so we started them on the
server, and simply locked the computer letting the "modules" run.  I did
look in to the OCX to see if I could convert these little exe's into
services that would run on the server without logging into the server,
however I believe you need to insert code into the applications on load
events or something if I remember correctly.  
	 
	Do you know of any other way to let an application that should
be a service, run as a service.  Hang up is that I cannot gain access to
the source code without paying, or having them do it and charge us out
the wazzoo??  All I have is an EXE that I kick off.  
	 
	Just looking for some insight...
	 
	thanks,
	Rich

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue May 13 13:28:04 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 13:28:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Personal question about OCX
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C05@main2.marlow.com>

You could write a VB service that just starts and kills the other .exe.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Lavsa, Rich [mailto:Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 1:11 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Personal question about OCX


Drew,
 
We bought software that has some automation programs that receive email and
send email among other things.  Each one is a separate "module" or "add in"
for this software package.  They were intended to run on a pc and started by
an individual as they were needed.  Our need exceeded this use, we need this
to run 24 / 7, so we started them on the server, and simply locked the
computer letting the "modules" run.  I did look in to the OCX to see if I
could convert these little exe's into services that would run on the server
without logging into the server, however I believe you need to insert code
into the applications on load events or something if I remember correctly.  
 
Do you know of any other way to let an application that should be a service,
run as a service.  Hang up is that I cannot gain access to the source code
without paying, or having them do it and charge us out the wazzoo??  All I
have is an EXE that I kick off.  
 
Just looking for some insight...
 
thanks,
Rich

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From kaupca at chevrontexaco.com  Tue May 13 13:46:14 2003
From: kaupca at chevrontexaco.com (Kaup, Chester A)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 13:46:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Top 3 query returns only one record
Message-ID: <193572B4E0FC1744BEDFEE63F82CEC9E011E3D15@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>

The following query returns only one record per well_label rather than
the last 3 like I need. I don't see the problem-been looking at it to
long. Thanks

SELECT TEST_DATE, FIELD_CODE, SAP_BORE_COMP_NUMBER, WELL_LABEL, GAS_VOL,
OIL_VOL, WATER_VOL
FROM [TBL T15 WELL TESTS]
WHERE TEST_DATE IN
(SELECT TOP 3 TEST_DATE
FROM [TBL T15 WELL TESTS]
ORDER BY TEST_DATE DESC)
ORDER BY WELL_LABEL ASC, TEST_DATE DESC;

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From sgsax at ksu.edu  Tue May 13 13:47:52 2003
From: sgsax at ksu.edu (Seth Galitzer)
Date: 13 May 2003 13:47:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access + Pegasus
In-Reply-To: <01ab01c31970$013555d0$8e01a8c0@Rock>
References: <01ab01c31970$013555d0$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <1052851673.19177.44.camel@sgsax-th4022c>

Arthur,

Pegasus doesn't have an object model.  It does, however, support a
commandline mode for sending messages.  Basically, you generate a text
file containing the particulars of the message using a set of known line
"tags", and then run Pegasus with a commandline flag and the path to the
text file.  You do not have access to the address book or mail folders
using some kind of API.  However, Pegasus does use standard mbox format
for mail folders.  At the worst, you could parse those maually.  Address
books are a different matter.

If you have an option, you might want to look at Eudora, which does have
an object model that is documented and has a pretty workable API.

Alternatively, if all you need to do is send messages, I have some code
that does this in a self-contained fashion that requires no ActiveX
controls.  It only works with Win2K & XP, however.  I haven't found out
why specifically, but I think it's just more dll hell.

Pegasus is used widely here.  It's not my favorite email client, but's
it's pretty clean and has a relatively small footprint.

Seth

On Tue, 2003-05-13 at 11:52, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> I have some slick email routines that work with Access, but until today they
> have assumed Outlook and its object model. Suddenly I have to assume
> Pegasus, about which I know nothing. I'll search the list for references in
> a moment, but right now I don't know a thing about it. Is it easy? Tough?
> What are the advantages of Pegasus as opposed to Outlook? Should I consider
> switching my own email client?
> 
> TIA,
> Arthur
> 

-- 
Seth Galitzer			sgsax at ksu.edu
Computing Specialist		http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax
Dept. of Plant Pathology
Kansas State University


From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Tue May 13 13:58:15 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 13:58:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Top 3 query returns only one record
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357F6@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Chester,
 
Check the thread "SQL in-line subquery" for Dave Sharpe's response of
last Wednesday.  He had a link to an article that should answer your
question about your subquery.
 

Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 

-----Original Message-----
From: Kaup, Chester A [mailto:kaupca at chevrontexaco.com] 
Sent: Tuesday 2003 May 13 13:46
To: ACCESSD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Top 3 query returns only one record



The following query returns only one record per well_label rather than
the last 3 like I need. I don't see the problem-been looking at it to
long. Thanks

SELECT TEST_DATE, FIELD_CODE, SAP_BORE_COMP_NUMBER, WELL_LABEL, GAS_VOL,
OIL_VOL, WATER_VOL 
FROM [TBL T15 WELL TESTS] 
WHERE TEST_DATE IN 
(SELECT TOP 3 TEST_DATE 
FROM [TBL T15 WELL TESTS] 
ORDER BY TEST_DATE DESC) 
ORDER BY WELL_LABEL ASC, TEST_DATE DESC; 

No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large
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From ad_tp at hotmail.com  Tue May 13 13:55:58 2003
From: ad_tp at hotmail.com (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 00:25:58 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
References: 	<00c501c31707$b1efab70$c6e6ffcc@SusanOne><005101c3171c$7de55310$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>
	<011801c3171f$21336ff0$c6e6ffcc@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <Law9-OE18USp3sJWGYd000094d5@hotmail.com>

Susan,

    The topic appears interesting. Keeping in view the typical requirements for handling notes/articles/tasks, with facility for setting dates & intervals for reminders (where needed), I have developed an Access .mdb application for my use (finishing touches in progress).

    Whenever this database is opened, a message box will pop up giving a summary as follows -
    (a) Nos of Items already overdue
    (b) Nos of Items due today
    (c) Nos of Items that will become due within next seven days

    The msgbox will appear only if total of (a) to (c) is more than zero. Deselecting a Yes/No field will mean the item will be ignored while generating scheduling alert. Provision has also been made to view on demand the overall position of all items whose scheduling status is active

    In addition, the program should be useful in storing and  retrieval of articles/notes etc apart from printing reports of selected items.Lookup row sources for various combo boxes are self generated based upon progressive accumulation of data.

    I would be glad to send you the database but it is not clear whether attachments are supposed to be sent to the list address. If you like, I could send it to you directly (on hearing from you).

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
---------------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Susan Harkins 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 23:38
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] scheduling


  Can't work, so I might as well get out of dodge! ;)

  It happens every year and then I forget about it and once I'm behind, it
  affects the entire summer. So, I will definitely be giving some thought to
  your suggestion -- I don't actually "schedule" articles in Access, but I
  think I'll add some kind of validation to assigned topics as I enter the due
  date -- which will promptly reject an article if there are too many
  scheduled already. Or, perhaps I'll simply show a list of dates and the
  number of open slots -- either way, it shouldn't be difficult at all and I
  don't know why I didn't think of it before. I've been using Outlook to keep
  all that straight and it's a pia to use two different applications. But I
  just haven't had time to really add it to the Access db that tracks them all
  for invoicing, but it's all there already. This will be a simple feature to
  add and will be very helpful.

  Susan H.


  > ...the better solution is to install real electrical surge protectors at
  > your electrical panels rather than the toy suppressors we all have for our
  > computers and phones ...most of those sold at computer/office outlets
  can't
  > handle more than a short, mild surge ...for areas like south Florida where
  > we get frequent lightning storms you need much more ...the ones we have in
  > our main panel and phone distribution block cost $300+ but handle over
  26MVA
  > surges ...anything but a direct hit ...before we installed them we had
  > constant hits on our computers despite each having their own suppressors
  > ...after installation, I've been able to work through the worst storms
  ...as
  > long as power stays on, I can without worrying ...HTH :)
  >
  > ...of course if I needed a handy excuse to take off this time of year
  > anyway, yours would work :))))
  >
  > William Hindman
  >
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: "Susan Harkins" <harkins at iglou.com>
  > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
  > Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 11:20 AM
  > Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
  >
  >
  > > I use Access to keep articles, etc. on schedule, keep up with invoicing,
  > > etc. and it works just fine. The one thing I don't really know how to
  > handle
  > > is the following -- occasionally I want to note something that I may not
  > > need for months -- and I can do that -- just don't really know how to go
  > > about displaying it -- reminding myself to look -- know what I mean?
  > >
  > > For instance, this past two weeks has been bad because of the weather.
  > Even
  > > though I have surge protectors, I still turn off everything when the
  > > lightning starts and that's been hours every day for the past two weeks.
  > I'm
  > > grossly behind as a result. Now, what I need to do is make a note to
  > myself
  > > that sometime in Jan, Feb, March -- maybe even all three -- that I
  remind
  > > myself NOT to schedule fully for April and May because of the weather.
  > >
  > > Just not sure how to approach it. Right now, I'm using Outlook and
  Access
  > > and I'm working toward phasing Outlook out of the picture -- it's just
  too
  > > difficult to work with for what I need.
  > >
  > > Susan H.

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From jscott at mchsi.com  Tue May 13 14:16:45 2003
From: jscott at mchsi.com (Jeanine)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 14:16:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956904@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <DPEMLPOPFDGDKNELEIKAEEAGDCAA.jscott@mchsi.com>

I'd like to see it! Thanks.

Jeanine
jscott at mchsi.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 10:01 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers

I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a position
as a systems developer later in the week.
Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input from
y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience, who will be
expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very taxing), some light
(but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair amount of Office integration
and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2.
It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at the
moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking than 100%
correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' answers with them
at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for me let me know and I'll
mail you the word doc.
TIA
Roz
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From Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com  Tue May 13 14:48:33 2003
From: Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com (Lavsa, Rich)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 15:48:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Personal question about OCX
Message-ID: <833956F5C117124A89417638FDB11290EBCE6E@goexchange.pghcorning.com>

Its not a violation... they say in their documentation that if you want or
need it to, you can run it on the server.

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 2:27 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Personal question about OCX


If you bought it to run on demand on a single PC, running it as a service on
a server may very well be a violation of your EULA on the software.
 
Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Lavsa, Rich [mailto:Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 10:11 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Personal question about OCX


Drew,
 
We bought software that has some automation programs that receive email and
send email among other things.  Each one is a separate "module" or "add in"
for this software package.  They were intended to run on a pc and started by
an individual as they were needed.  Our need exceeded this use, we need this
to run 24 / 7, so we started them on the server, and simply locked the
computer letting the "modules" run.  I did look in to the OCX to see if I
could convert these little exe's into services that would run on the server
without logging into the server, however I believe you need to insert code
into the applications on load events or something if I remember correctly.  
 
Do you know of any other way to let an application that should be a service,
run as a service.  Hang up is that I cannot gain access to the source code
without paying, or having them do it and charge us out the wazzoo??  All I
have is an EXE that I kick off.  
 
Just looking for some insight...
 
thanks,
Rich

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From Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com  Tue May 13 15:02:05 2003
From: Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com (Lavsa, Rich)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 16:02:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Personal question about OCX
Message-ID: <833956F5C117124A89417638FDB11290EBCE6F@goexchange.pghcorning.com>

To expand a little ... 
The application is an Enterprise edition, meaning back end is SQL Server,
and a purchase of a license for each workstation the GUI is used on.
 
There are special modules that a named responsible person was intended to
start these add ons every day and have them hog resources on their PC,
however they state in their documentation that these add on's can be run on
the server as well if there was a need to, however don't offer these add
on's as a service which I think is pretty hokey. 
 
later,
rich

-----Original Message-----
From: Lavsa, Rich [mailto:Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 3:49 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Personal question about OCX


Its not a violation... they say in their documentation that if you want or
need it to, you can run it on the server.

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 2:27 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Personal question about OCX


If you bought it to run on demand on a single PC, running it as a service on
a server may very well be a violation of your EULA on the software.
 
Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Lavsa, Rich [mailto:Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 10:11 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Personal question about OCX


Drew,
 
We bought software that has some automation programs that receive email and
send email among other things.  Each one is a separate "module" or "add in"
for this software package.  They were intended to run on a pc and started by
an individual as they were needed.  Our need exceeded this use, we need this
to run 24 / 7, so we started them on the server, and simply locked the
computer letting the "modules" run.  I did look in to the OCX to see if I
could convert these little exe's into services that would run on the server
without logging into the server, however I believe you need to insert code
into the applications on load events or something if I remember correctly.  
 
Do you know of any other way to let an application that should be a service,
run as a service.  Hang up is that I cannot gain access to the source code
without paying, or having them do it and charge us out the wazzoo??  All I
have is an EXE that I kick off.  
 
Just looking for some insight...
 
thanks,
Rich

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From JHewson at karta.com  Tue May 13 15:24:21 2003
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 15:24:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
Message-ID: <353A32F9B331D411BB8F00A0C9FC503701294B98@NT04>

I would be interested in the test also.

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 10:01 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers



I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a position
as a systems developer later in the week. 

Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input from
y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience, who will be
expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very taxing), some light
(but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair amount of Office integration
and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2. 

It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at the
moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking than 100%
correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' answers with them
at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for me let me know and I'll
mail you the word doc.

TIA 

Roz 

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue May 13 15:40:38 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 15:40:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Top 3 query returns only one record
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C18@main2.marlow.com>

That should do it.  You're subquery was only going to give you the last
three dates of the entire table.  You need the last three dates PER
well_label.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Kaup, Chester A [mailto:kaupca at chevrontexaco.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 1:46 PM
To: ACCESSD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Top 3 query returns only one record



The following query returns only one record per well_label rather than the
last 3 like I need. I don't see the problem-been looking at it to long.
Thanks

SELECT TEST_DATE, FIELD_CODE, SAP_BORE_COMP_NUMBER, WELL_LABEL, GAS_VOL,
OIL_VOL, WATER_VOL 
FROM [TBL T15 WELL TESTS] [Drew Wutka] AS T1 
WHERE TEST_DATE IN 
(SELECT TOP 3 TEST_DATE 
FROM [TBL T15 WELL TESTS] 
[Drew Wutka] WHERE WELL_LABEL=T1.WELL_LABEL 
ORDER BY TEST_DATE DESC) 
ORDER BY WELL_LABEL ASC, TEST_DATE DESC; 

No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number
of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.



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From jarus at amerinet-gpo.com  Tue May 13 16:00:41 2003
From: jarus at amerinet-gpo.com (Terri Jarus)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 16:00:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Quick Update Solution
Message-ID: <sec116be.016@an-mail.amerinet-gpo.com>

I could be wrong, but I would create an append query and if you have
your table set up correctly, it will not accept any duplicate records. 
There still may be a time issue dependent on the amount of data being
appended.

That's one suggestion.

>>> pblack at hotmail.com 05/12/03 02:38PM >>>
Is there a quicker/better way to append data than the method I
currently 
use:

select all records from table 1

move to first record in table 1

loop through every record in table 2 to see if a match occurs on
LINK_PT 
field

If there is a match it is skipped.

If there is no match then table 1 record is appended to table 2

Move to next record in table 1 and continue loop until .eof

I can do it this way but is there another quicker solution. As the
tables 
grow the speed slows. I am using A97 for the app.

Thanks

Paul

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From kathryn at bassett.net  Tue May 13 16:56:40 2003
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 14:56:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956904@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <JGENLKHHDJPDMMDICAKIIEGKELAB.kathryn@bassett.net>

Technical test for developersRoz, I'd like to try just to see how much I
know, not because of interest in getting the job.

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  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
  Sent: 13 May 2003 8:00:AM
  To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
  Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


  I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a
position as a systems developer later in the week.

  Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input from
y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience, who will be
expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very taxing), some light
(but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair amount of Office integration
and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2.

  It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at the
moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking than 100%
correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' answers with them
at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for me let me know and I'll
mail you the word doc.

  TIA

  Roz

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From Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov  Tue May 13 17:20:05 2003
From: Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov (Stoker, Kenneth E)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 15:20:05 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
Message-ID: <249C1CB246997C48BB74963CCD361C1B69B7E3@pnlmse28.pnl.gov>

Roz,
 
I would be interested in trying your test, although it will probably just show me how little I do know.
 
Ken Stoker

Technology Commercialization

Information Systems Administrator

PH: (509) 375-3758

FAX: (509) 375-6731

E-mail:  Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 8:01 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers



I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a position as a systems developer later in the week. 

Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input from y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience, who will be expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very taxing), some light (but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair amount of Office integration and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2. 

It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at the moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking than 100% correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' answers with them at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for me let me know and I'll mail you the word doc.

TIA 

Roz 

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue May 13 17:55:01 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 08:55:01 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Personal question about OCX
In-Reply-To: <833956F5C117124A89417638FDB11290EBCE6D@goexchange.pghcorning.com>
Message-ID: <3EC20465.1035.1C1C02@localhost>

Take a look at Firedaemon http://www.firedaemon.com/

"What Is It?
FireDaemon is a utility that allows you to install and run virtually 
any native Win32 application or script (eg. BAT/CMD, Perl, Java, 
Python, TCL/TK) as a Windows NT/2K/XP service. FireDaemon features 
easy configuration (via GUI or XML), a low memory/CPU overhead, 
subprocess prioritisation, custom environments, CPU binding plus 
monitoring and logging to the event log and on-disk log files.

FireDaemon is supplied in three forms: a free Lite version (with 
limited functionality for non-commercial use), a fully functional Pro 
version and an OEM version designed for redistribution."
'

On 13 May 2003 at 14:11, Lavsa, Rich wrote:

> Drew,
> 
> We bought software that has some automation programs that receive
> email and send email among other things.  Each one is a separate
> "module" or "add in" for this software package.  They were intended to
> run on a pc and started by an individual as they were needed.  Our
> need exceeded this use, we need this to run 24 / 7, so we started them
> on the server, and simply locked the computer letting the "modules"
> run.  I did look in to the OCX to see if I could convert these little
> exe's into services that would run on the server without logging into
> the server, however I believe you need to insert code into the
> applications on load events or something if I remember correctly.  
> 
> Do you know of any other way to let an application that should be a
> service, run as a service.  Hang up is that I cannot gain access to
> the source code without paying, or having them do it and charge us out
> the wazzoo??  All I have is an EXE that I kick off.  
> 
> Just looking for some insight...
> 
> thanks,
> Rich
> 


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue May 13 18:10:16 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:10:16 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access + Pegasus
In-Reply-To: <sec0eea3.058@cbc.ca>
Message-ID: <3EC207F8.10910.2A1182@localhost>

On 13 May 2003 at 13:09, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:

> Arthur,
> 
> AFAIK, Pegasus doesn't support true automation the way LookOut does.
> However, you can use DDE commands to work with Pegasus.
> 
> I have a demo of how to use DDE to send the currently opened Word doc
> via Pegasus automatically. You can grab it from:
> http://www3.sympatico.ca/carbonnb/bryan/utilities.html
> 
> Advantages. Where do you start :-))
> 
.....
> What else am I forgetting Stuart?
> 
Among others, 

Standard MAPI compliance - I do most of my Access to Pegasus routines 
using Simple MAPI (although as Brian says, DDE is available).  The 
advantage of that is it will work with just about any mail client if 
you want to distribute the application.

Integrates tightly with Mercury ( a very good FREE low footprint full 
blown mail server with too many capabilities to list)

Noticeboards
Simple but powerful templating
Good Distribution List handling ( the bane of my life with some 
clients who insist on using Outlook)
Selective mail download
LDAP support
(and I really have to repeat the filtering capabilites are 
outstanding)




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Support.




From artful at rogers.com  Tue May 13 18:16:32 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 19:16:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access + Pegasus
In-Reply-To: <1052851673.19177.44.camel@sgsax-th4022c>
Message-ID: <000b01c319a5$b1205410$8e01a8c0@Rock>

I don't have a choice, nor do the users in question, who to a woman prefer
Outlook but cannot have it.

I would be most appreciative for any off-list sends that you might send. No
need to clutter this list with esoteric stuff.

Does Pegasus have an equivalent to the "Sent Items" folder? It's important
that I keep an audit trail of what was sent, to whom, and when.

A.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Seth Galitzer
Sent: May 13, 2003 2:48 PM
To: accessd
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access + Pegasus


Arthur,

Pegasus doesn't have an object model.  It does, however, support a
commandline mode for sending messages.  Basically, you generate a text file
containing the particulars of the message using a set of known line "tags",
and then run Pegasus with a commandline flag and the path to the text file.
You do not have access to the address book or mail folders using some kind
of API.  However, Pegasus does use standard mbox format for mail folders.
At the worst, you could parse those maually.  Address books are a different
matter.

If you have an option, you might want to look at Eudora, which does have an
object model that is documented and has a pretty workable API.

Alternatively, if all you need to do is send messages, I have some code that
does this in a self-contained fashion that requires no ActiveX controls.  It
only works with Win2K & XP, however.  I haven't found out why specifically,
but I think it's just more dll hell.

Pegasus is used widely here.  It's not my favorite email client, but's it's
pretty clean and has a relatively small footprint.

Seth

On Tue, 2003-05-13 at 11:52, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> I have some slick email routines that work with Access, but until 
> today they have assumed Outlook and its object model. Suddenly I have 
> to assume Pegasus, about which I know nothing. I'll search the list 
> for references in a moment, but right now I don't know a thing about 
> it. Is it easy? Tough? What are the advantages of Pegasus as opposed 
> to Outlook? Should I consider switching my own email client?
> 
> TIA,
> Arthur
> 

-- 
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Computing Specialist		http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax
Dept. of Plant Pathology
Kansas State University

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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Tue May 13 18:20:08 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 19:20:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access + Pegasus
In-Reply-To: <3EC207F8.10910.2A1182@localhost>
References: <sec0eea3.058@cbc.ca>
Message-ID: <3EC14568.31407.16412D@localhost>

On 14 May 2003 at 9:10, Stuart McLachlan wrote:

> Standard MAPI compliance - I do most of my Access to Pegasus routines
> using Simple MAPI (although as Brian says, DDE is available).  The
> advantage of that is it will work with just about any mail client if
> you want to distribute the application.

Forgot about that.

> LDAP support

I wasn't sure about LDAP, but now I am :-)

> (and I really have to repeat the filtering capabilites are 
> outstanding)
(not deleting this to drive the point home yet again :-)))

--
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An unkind remark is like a killing frost. No matter how much it warms 
up later, the damage remains.



From artful at rogers.com  Tue May 13 18:22:49 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 19:22:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access + Pegasus
In-Reply-To: <3EC207F8.10910.2A1182@localhost>
Message-ID: <000f01c319a6$93aba0f0$8e01a8c0@Rock>

Thx for the info.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: May 13, 2003 7:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access + Pegasus


On 13 May 2003 at 13:09, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:

Among others, 

Standard MAPI compliance - I do most of my Access to Pegasus routines 
using Simple MAPI (although as Brian says, DDE is available).  The 
advantage of that is it will work with just about any mail client if 
you want to distribute the application.

Integrates tightly with Mercury ( a very good FREE low footprint full 
blown mail server with too many capabilities to list)

Noticeboards
Simple but powerful templating
Good Distribution List handling ( the bane of my life with some 
clients who insist on using Outlook)
Selective mail download
LDAP support
(and I really have to repeat the filtering capabilites are 
outstanding)



From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Tue May 13 18:23:13 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 19:23:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access + Pegasus
In-Reply-To: <000b01c319a5$b1205410$8e01a8c0@Rock>
References: <1052851673.19177.44.camel@sgsax-th4022c>
Message-ID: <3EC14621.1274.1912C2@localhost>

On 13 May 2003 at 19:16, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> I would be most appreciative for any off-list sends that you might
> send. No need to clutter this list with esoteric stuff.
> 
> Does Pegasus have an equivalent to the "Sent Items" folder? It's
> important that I keep an audit trail of what was sent, to whom, and
> when.

Yes it does. But the user can change the name or disable the sent 
folder altogether.

Plus the can specify the indivudual folder of where to file the copy 
when they send the e-mail.

So it's not as cut and dry as you might hope for.

I'll send you the file that talks about DDE off-list. Plus any other 
goodies I find. :)

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Don't take life too seriously. You won't get out alive.



From selina at easydatabases.com.au  Tue May 13 19:03:59 2003
From: selina at easydatabases.com.au (Selina Iddon)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:03:59 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Quick Update Solution
References: <sec116be.016@an-mail.amerinet-gpo.com>
Message-ID: <005101c319ac$5226a700$6465000a@venus>

How would you go using an append query with a one-way join on the tables
(the one with the records and the receiving table) and criteria  where the
LINK_PT is null in the receiving table.
Cheers
Selina

>
> >>> pblack at hotmail.com 05/12/03 02:38PM >>>
> Is there a quicker/better way to append data than the method I
> currently
> use:
>
> select all records from table 1
>
> move to first record in table 1
>
> loop through every record in table 2 to see if a match occurs on
> LINK_PT
> field
>
> If there is a match it is skipped.
>
> If there is no match then table 1 record is appended to table 2
>
> Move to next record in table 1 and continue loop until .eof
>
> I can do it this way but is there another quicker solution. As the
> tables
> grow the speed slows. I am using A97 for the app.
>
> Thanks
>
> Paul
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue May 13 19:11:33 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:11:33 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access + Pegasus
In-Reply-To: <000b01c319a5$b1205410$8e01a8c0@Rock>
References: <1052851673.19177.44.camel@sgsax-th4022c>
Message-ID: <3EC21655.27234.622FA2@localhost>

On 13 May 2003 at 19:16, Arthur Fuller wrote:


> Does Pegasus have an equivalent to the "Sent Items" folder? It's
> important that I keep an audit trail of what was sent, to whom, and
> when.
> 

Yes it does, but it is of course under the control of the user who 
can delete items.

However, it is trivial to  set up a "CopyToSelf" filtering rule which 
will append a copy of every message  message to a text file 
somewhere.


You can then run an Access program perioodically (overnight?) to read 
the log file(s), save the messages as indexed records in a database 
and then delete the log ready for the next day. 

Voila - a searchable database of everything sent by all users.
(and it also keeps the message "on-topic" <g>)







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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue May 13 19:42:55 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 19:42:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C1C@main2.marlow.com>

I just noticed something tonight.  I had to go into an existing table and
add a few fields.  One field was numeric, then I was going to add two Yes/No
fields.  I did this.  The numeric field was blank/null for all existing
records.  However, I wanted a Yes/No/Not Answered for the Yes/No fields, so
I dropped one of them, and changed the other one to a byte number (1-yes,
2-no, 4-Yes, 8-No) which will let me know the answer for both and whether
they were answered at all.  When I looked back at the datasheet view, the
byte field (which was a yes/no) was all 0's, and the number field was still
all blank.  

So I hypothesized that by setting a Yes/No field, you had either 0 or -1
(maybe 1, I don't remember), but since a Yes/No field only has two possible
values, there was nothing for null, so each field is automatically populated
with 0 or -1.  By switching that field to a number field, it tried to
'convert' the data in those fields, which it did successfully to 0. 

So to prove this, I went into design for that table, changed my 'null
filled' number field to Yes/No, hit save, changed it back to number, and hit
save again.  Whalla, went into datasheet view, and no I had all zero's in my
number field.

Pretty interesting eh?  (Or do I just need some sleep?)

Drew

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue May 13 20:12:46 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:12:46 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C1C@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <3EC224AE.5816.9A39C5@localhost>

On 13 May 2003 at 19:42, Drew Wutka wrote:
> 
> So I hypothesized that by setting a Yes/No field, you had either 0 or
> -1 (maybe 1, I don't remember), but since a Yes/No field only has two
> possible values, there was nothing for null, so each field is
> automatically populated with 0 or -1.  By switching that field to a
> number field, it tried to 'convert' the data in those fields, which it
> did successfully to 0. 
> 
> So to prove this, I went into design for that table, changed my 'null
> filled' number field to Yes/No, hit save, changed it back to number,
> and hit save again.  Whalla, went into datasheet view, and no I had
> all zero's in my number field.
> 
> Pretty interesting eh?  (Or do I just need some sleep?)
> 

A Yes/No field can only have  two values Yes or No, not 3 values 
(Yes, No, Null/Unknown)

That's why you get the annoying behaviour of multiple bound Yes/No 
fields on a form (assuming your form is bound <g>). 

Set the field Required Property to "NO" and the default value to 
"NULL"  and on your form, set the Checkboxes to TripleState.

When you go to a New record, the check boxes are grey (Null), but as 
soon as you start to enter any data, they ALL become False (ie 
unticked). When you try to cycle through the values of one of  
checkbox with the space bar or mouse, you get an error when you try 
to set it to Null ("The value you enterd isn't valid for this field")

The only way to have a TripleState field with a checkbox is by making 
the field type numeric :-(







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From papparuff at attbi.com  Tue May 13 20:47:27 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 18:47:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] SageKey Products
Message-ID: <FLEOJLOFAGCDJIOAMOEPGEKFCAAA.papparuff@attbi.com>

I've noticed at least a couple people here use SageKey products along with
Wise.

Besides their Access runtime programs, has anybody used their MSDE, MDAC,
and/or Security scripts.  Feedback from those who have would be appreciated.

John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)

"Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
                and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3


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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue May 13 21:30:37 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 21:30:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C1C@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <001301c319c0$ce3bd9f0$de1811d8@DanWaters>

Drew,

Your life has been pretty unstable as of late, what with the fire, crashing
machines, unreliable ISPs, broken websites, etc.  We've all had these times
in our lives . . . And yes, the smallest things can seem wondrous for the
moment.

But you're right, a good night's sleep and all will be good again!  Don't
you agree?  -1, or 0?


Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 6:43 PM
To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...


I just noticed something tonight.  I had to go into an existing table and
add a few fields.  One field was numeric, then I was going to add two Yes/No
fields.  I did this.  The numeric field was blank/null for all existing
records.  However, I wanted a Yes/No/Not Answered for the Yes/No fields, so
I dropped one of them, and changed the other one to a byte number (1-yes,
2-no, 4-Yes, 8-No) which will let me know the answer for both and whether
they were answered at all.  When I looked back at the datasheet view, the
byte field (which was a yes/no) was all 0's, and the number field was still
all blank.  

So I hypothesized that by setting a Yes/No field, you had either 0 or -1
(maybe 1, I don't remember), but since a Yes/No field only has two possible
values, there was nothing for null, so each field is automatically populated
with 0 or -1.  By switching that field to a number field, it tried to
'convert' the data in those fields, which it did successfully to 0. 

So to prove this, I went into design for that table, changed my 'null
filled' number field to Yes/No, hit save, changed it back to number, and hit
save again.  Whalla, went into datasheet view, and no I had all zero's in my
number field.

Pretty interesting eh?  (Or do I just need some sleep?)

Drew
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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Tue May 13 21:32:34 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 21:32:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...
Message-ID: <BAY2-F1553FB1FxQFM80000fb55@hotmail.com>

Cool shortcut to save an update query to initialize a new field. I'll have 
to try that sometime.

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: "'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...
>Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 19:42:55 -0500
>
>I just noticed something tonight.  I had to go into an existing table and
>add a few fields.  One field was numeric, then I was going to add two 
>Yes/No
>fields.  I did this.  The numeric field was blank/null for all existing
>records.  However, I wanted a Yes/No/Not Answered for the Yes/No fields, so
>I dropped one of them, and changed the other one to a byte number (1-yes,
>2-no, 4-Yes, 8-No) which will let me know the answer for both and whether
>they were answered at all.  When I looked back at the datasheet view, the
>byte field (which was a yes/no) was all 0's, and the number field was still
>all blank.
>
>So I hypothesized that by setting a Yes/No field, you had either 0 or -1
>(maybe 1, I don't remember), but since a Yes/No field only has two possible
>values, there was nothing for null, so each field is automatically 
>populated
>with 0 or -1.  By switching that field to a number field, it tried to
>'convert' the data in those fields, which it did successfully to 0.
>
>So to prove this, I went into design for that table, changed my 'null
>filled' number field to Yes/No, hit save, changed it back to number, and 
>hit
>save again.  Whalla, went into datasheet view, and no I had all zero's in 
>my
>number field.
>
>Pretty interesting eh?  (Or do I just need some sleep?)
>
>Drew
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue May 13 21:36:55 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 21:36:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C1E@main2.marlow.com>

Grin....so true...

So, did you know about switching, saving, and switching, so set existing
record number fields to 0?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 9:31 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...


Drew,

Your life has been pretty unstable as of late, what with the fire, crashing
machines, unreliable ISPs, broken websites, etc.  We've all had these times
in our lives . . . And yes, the smallest things can seem wondrous for the
moment.

But you're right, a good night's sleep and all will be good again!  Don't
you agree?  -1, or 0?


Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 6:43 PM
To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...


I just noticed something tonight.  I had to go into an existing table and
add a few fields.  One field was numeric, then I was going to add two Yes/No
fields.  I did this.  The numeric field was blank/null for all existing
records.  However, I wanted a Yes/No/Not Answered for the Yes/No fields, so
I dropped one of them, and changed the other one to a byte number (1-yes,
2-no, 4-Yes, 8-No) which will let me know the answer for both and whether
they were answered at all.  When I looked back at the datasheet view, the
byte field (which was a yes/no) was all 0's, and the number field was still
all blank.  

So I hypothesized that by setting a Yes/No field, you had either 0 or -1
(maybe 1, I don't remember), but since a Yes/No field only has two possible
values, there was nothing for null, so each field is automatically populated
with 0 or -1.  By switching that field to a number field, it tried to
'convert' the data in those fields, which it did successfully to 0. 

So to prove this, I went into design for that table, changed my 'null
filled' number field to Yes/No, hit save, changed it back to number, and hit
save again.  Whalla, went into datasheet view, and no I had all zero's in my
number field.

Pretty interesting eh?  (Or do I just need some sleep?)

Drew
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue May 13 21:37:55 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 21:37:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C1F@main2.marlow.com>

That's what I thought.  I always ran an update query afterwards, but this is
MUCH faster!  Of course it only sets the values to 0, so if the initial
values need to be something else it's not going to help.  (Of course that
would mean you have a calculated field......<grin>)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Kjos [mailto:garykjos at hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 9:33 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...


Cool shortcut to save an update query to initialize a new field. I'll have 
to try that sometime.

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: "'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...
>Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 19:42:55 -0500
>
>I just noticed something tonight.  I had to go into an existing table and
>add a few fields.  One field was numeric, then I was going to add two 
>Yes/No
>fields.  I did this.  The numeric field was blank/null for all existing
>records.  However, I wanted a Yes/No/Not Answered for the Yes/No fields, so
>I dropped one of them, and changed the other one to a byte number (1-yes,
>2-no, 4-Yes, 8-No) which will let me know the answer for both and whether
>they were answered at all.  When I looked back at the datasheet view, the
>byte field (which was a yes/no) was all 0's, and the number field was still
>all blank.
>
>So I hypothesized that by setting a Yes/No field, you had either 0 or -1
>(maybe 1, I don't remember), but since a Yes/No field only has two possible
>values, there was nothing for null, so each field is automatically 
>populated
>with 0 or -1.  By switching that field to a number field, it tried to
>'convert' the data in those fields, which it did successfully to 0.
>
>So to prove this, I went into design for that table, changed my 'null
>filled' number field to Yes/No, hit save, changed it back to number, and 
>hit
>save again.  Whalla, went into datasheet view, and no I had all zero's in 
>my
>number field.
>
>Pretty interesting eh?  (Or do I just need some sleep?)
>
>Drew
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue May 13 21:48:55 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 21:48:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C1E@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <001401c319c3$5f8402f0$de1811d8@DanWaters>

This was a new one on me.  I also think that this would be a good trick to
follow if I need to do this!

Thanks for the tip!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 8:37 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...


Grin....so true...

So, did you know about switching, saving, and switching, so set existing
record number fields to 0?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 9:31 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...


Drew,

Your life has been pretty unstable as of late, what with the fire, crashing
machines, unreliable ISPs, broken websites, etc.  We've all had these times
in our lives . . . And yes, the smallest things can seem wondrous for the
moment.

But you're right, a good night's sleep and all will be good again!  Don't
you agree?  -1, or 0?


Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 6:43 PM
To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...


I just noticed something tonight.  I had to go into an existing table and
add a few fields.  One field was numeric, then I was going to add two Yes/No
fields.  I did this.  The numeric field was blank/null for all existing
records.  However, I wanted a Yes/No/Not Answered for the Yes/No fields, so
I dropped one of them, and changed the other one to a byte number (1-yes,
2-no, 4-Yes, 8-No) which will let me know the answer for both and whether
they were answered at all.  When I looked back at the datasheet view, the
byte field (which was a yes/no) was all 0's, and the number field was still
all blank.  

So I hypothesized that by setting a Yes/No field, you had either 0 or -1
(maybe 1, I don't remember), but since a Yes/No field only has two possible
values, there was nothing for null, so each field is automatically populated
with 0 or -1.  By switching that field to a number field, it tried to
'convert' the data in those fields, which it did successfully to 0. 

So to prove this, I went into design for that table, changed my 'null
filled' number field to Yes/No, hit save, changed it back to number, and hit
save again.  Whalla, went into datasheet view, and no I had all zero's in my
number field.

Pretty interesting eh?  (Or do I just need some sleep?)

Drew
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From michael.maddison at ddisolutions.com.au  Wed May 14 01:08:20 2003
From: michael.maddison at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 16:08:20 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Personal question about OCX
Message-ID: <6D8C24685B2A614481AD0BDAB0AC94F995EE@ddi-pdc.DDISolutions.ddisolutions.com.au>

You can download an ocx (NTSVC.ocx) from MS that you can use in VB5/6 to
enable the exe to run as a service.  In .Net you
can create a service type app straight off.  You could maybe automate
the email exe from there.  I'm not too optimistic though
as I recall trying this some years ago and ran into permission problems.
Basically MS doesn't like services sending email :-)
I ended up using scheduler as it suited my needs at the time.

cheers

Michael M

Drew,

We bought software that has some automation programs that receive email
and send email among other things.  Each one is a separate "module" or
"add in" for this software package.  They were intended to run on a pc
and started by an individual as they were needed.  Our need exceeded
this use, we need this to run 24 / 7, so we started them on the server,
and simply locked the computer letting the "modules" run.  I did look in
to the OCX to see if I could convert these little exe's into services
that would run on the server without logging into the server, however I
believe you need to insert code into the applications on load events or
something if I remember correctly.  

Do you know of any other way to let an application that should be a
service, run as a service.  Hang up is that I cannot gain access to the
source code without paying, or having them do it and charge us out the
wazzoo??  All I have is an EXE that I kick off.  

Just looking for some insight...

thanks,
Rich

From michael.maddison at ddisolutions.com.au  Wed May 14 01:19:53 2003
From: michael.maddison at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 16:19:53 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
Message-ID: <6D8C24685B2A614481AD0BDAB0AC94F995EF@ddi-pdc.DDISolutions.ddisolutions.com.au>

William,

I use surge protectors in my fuse box too...  however...
About 18 months ago my work pc at home got zapped real good.  A direct
hit on  the phone connection thingie out the front of my house
and it wiped out all the phones up and down the street and also my
modem, motherboard, hdd circuits etc :-(((  Now I leave the PC
turned on but unplug the modem when storms threaten (rarely).  I managed
to save my data because I had 2 modems exactly
the same model, one had my work data on it, the other was sitting in the
cupboard cos I had replaced it.  I unscrewed the circuit board
at the bottom and swapped em over.  Still works like a dream :-)

cheers

Michael M


...the better solution is to install real electrical surge protectors at
your electrical panels rather than the toy suppressors we all have for
our computers and phones ...most of those sold at computer/office
outlets can't handle more than a short, mild surge ...for areas like
south Florida where we get frequent lightning storms you need much more
...the ones we have in our main panel and phone distribution block cost
$300+ but handle over 26MVA surges ...anything but a direct hit
...before we installed them we had constant hits on our computers
despite each having their own suppressors ...after installation, I've
been able to work through the worst storms ...as long as power stays on,
I can without worrying ...HTH :)

...of course if I needed a handy excuse to take off this time of year
anyway, yours would work :))))

William Hindman

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed May 14 01:43:34 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 16:43:34 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Personal question about OCX
In-Reply-To: <6D8C24685B2A614481AD0BDAB0AC94F995EE@ddi-pdc.DDISolutions.ddisolutions.com.au>
Message-ID: <3EC27236.27937.1C91858@localhost>

On 14 May 2003 at 16:08, Michael Maddison wrote:

> You can download an ocx (NTSVC.ocx) from MS that you can use in VB5/6
> to enable the exe to run as a service.  In .Net you can create a
> service type app straight off.  You could maybe automate the email exe
> from there.  I'm not too optimistic though as I recall trying this
> some years ago and ran into permission problems. Basically MS doesn't
> like services sending email :-) I ended up using scheduler as it
> suited my needs at the time.
> 

Services can send emails in Windows with no problem. A lot of people 
run the Mercury mailserver as a service using Firedaemon.

Possibly the problem was more with a service trying to use Outlook to 
send mail rather than using it's own SMTP interface or MAPI.






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Support.




From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed May 14 03:25:59 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:25:59 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956921@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Kathryn
 
I tried to send it to kathryn at bassett.net <mailto:kathryn at bassett.net>  and
it bounced with permanent fatal errors. Do you have another mail address I
could try?
 
Also I should re-iterate that *I* compiled the test and therefore at the
moment it's no proof of anything - some of the questions are borrowed from
other people but I still don't know for certain that their answers are good!
That's what I'm hoping people on the list will be able to tell me.
 
Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Kathryn Bassett [mailto:kathryn at bassett.net] 
Sent: 13 May 2003 22:57
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


Roz, I'd like to try just to see how much I know, not because of interest in
getting the job.
 
--
Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net <http://bassett.net/>   

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: 13 May 2003 8:00:AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers



I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a position
as a systems developer later in the week. 

Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input from
y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience, who will be
expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very taxing), some light
(but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair amount of Office integration
and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2. 

It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at the
moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking than 100%
correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' answers with them
at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for me let me know and I'll
mail you the word doc.

TIA 

Roz 

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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed May 14 03:39:56 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:39:56 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956924@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Thanks John

I've thrown this back to the list to discuss your suggestions.

Regarding the running of SQL statements direct versus passing a string
variable - is there a reason for doing this other than the re-usability of
the variable? I want to be able to explain why I was looking for a certain
thing, and so many of these things are just habits I picked up from the list
without ever fully understanding WHY.

An Excel spreadsheet would be more common but I wanted the typos - you'd be
a lot less likely to get typos in a spreadsheet... But you're probly right
anyway.

Thanks again for the input

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: 13 May 2003 21:15
To: Roz Clarke
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


Roz,

Pretty good test.

A couple of minor suggestions.

You might change your code in Access programming #2 to: db.Execute "INSERT
INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES ( #" & Date & "#, " &
FlagCount & ") " which would show a lack of experience - and then see if
they change it to
use:
---------------------------
Dim strSQL As String
strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES ( #" &
Date & "#, " & FlagCount & ") " db.Execute strSQL
---------------------------

I also thought the converting a Word table exercise would be better as
converting an Excel spreadsheet exercise - nothing wrong with the original -
I just think an Excel example would be a more common experience. JMO though.

John

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 11:02 AM
> To: 'John Bartow'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
>
>
> Here you are - no peeking at the answers!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: 13 May 2003 16:57
> To: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
>
>
> Hi Roz,
> I'll give it a drive for you.
>
> John B.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 10:00 AM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
>
>
> I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a 
> position as a systems developer later in the week.
>
> Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input 
> from y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience, 
> who will be expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very 
> taxing), some light
> (but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair amount of Office
> integration
> and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2.
>
> It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at 
> the moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking 
> than 100% correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' 
> answers with them at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for 
> me let me know and I'll mail you the word doc.
>
> TIA
>
> Roz
>
>
>


From michael.broesdorf at web.de  Wed May 14 04:01:41 2003
From: michael.broesdorf at web.de (=?us-ascii?Q?Michael_Brosdorf?=)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:01:41 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Textbox formatting question
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956921@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <NEBBIILOPOPJBCLJIJHHMEJJEAAA.michael.broesdorf@web.de>

MessageDear group,

is it possible to format portions the values display in a textbox on a form
in bold formatting?

The value always is an 8-character string. The 3rd and 4th character should
be displayed bold, but I don't want to split up the field.

Something like HTML would do with 12<b>34</b>5678


Best regards,


Michael
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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Wed May 14 03:59:41 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 8:59:41 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
Message-ID: <20030514085941.XUQO5167.fep04-svc.ttys.com@localhost>

Roz,

Could you send it to me as well at paul.hartland at fsmail.net I would be interested in this as well.

Thanks

Paul

From: Roz Clarke <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
Date: Wed 14/May/2003 08:25 GMT
To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers

Kathryn
 
I tried to send it to kathryn at bassett.net <mailto:kathryn at bassett.net>  and
it bounced with permanent fatal errors. Do you have another mail address I
could try?
 
Also I should re-iterate that *I* compiled the test and therefore at the
moment it's no proof of anything - some of the questions are borrowed from
other people but I still don't know for certain that their answers are good!
That's what I'm hoping people on the list will be able to tell me.
 
Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Kathryn Bassett [mailto:kathryn at bassett.net] 
Sent: 13 May 2003 22:57
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


Roz, I'd like to try just to see how much I know, not because of interest in
getting the job.
 
--
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: 13 May 2003 8:00:AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers



I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a position
as a systems developer later in the week. 

Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input from
y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience, who will be
expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very taxing), some light
(but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair amount of Office integration
and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2. 

It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at the
moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking than 100%
correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' answers with them
at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for me let me know and I'll
mail you the word doc.

TIA 

Roz 


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed May 14 04:14:08 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:14:08 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Textbox formatting question
In-Reply-To: <NEBBIILOPOPJBCLJIJHHMEJJEAAA.michael.broesdorf@web.de>
References: <NEBBIILOPOPJBCLJIJHHMEJJEAAA.michael.broesdorf@web.de>
Message-ID: <588123430.20030514111408@cactus.dk>

Hi Michael

> is it possible to format portions the values display in a textbox on a form
> in bold formatting?

> The value always is an 8-character string. The 3rd and 4th character should
> be displayed bold, but I don't want to split up the field.

> Something like HTML would do with 12<b>34</b>5678

If it is for display only, I would split up the field and choose a
font with equal width of every digit like MS Sans Serif.

/gustav


From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed May 14 04:24:12 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:24:12 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C831880395692A@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

All those to whom I've sent the test today please note: it is a work in
progress and the test questions document does NOT currently line up exactly
with the Q & A document!! 

I have to have this signed off in an hour so I won't be sending any more
copies out until it is finished - that way you'll get Q's & As that make
sense. Of course any feedback you have will still be interesting even though
I won't be able to make any further changes to the test.

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: 14 May 2003 09:40
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


Thanks John

I've thrown this back to the list to discuss your suggestions.

Regarding the running of SQL statements direct versus passing a string
variable - is there a reason for doing this other than the re-usability of
the variable? I want to be able to explain why I was looking for a certain
thing, and so many of these things are just habits I picked up from the list
without ever fully understanding WHY.

An Excel spreadsheet would be more common but I wanted the typos - you'd be
a lot less likely to get typos in a spreadsheet... But you're probly right
anyway.

Thanks again for the input

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: 13 May 2003 21:15
To: Roz Clarke
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


Roz,

Pretty good test.

A couple of minor suggestions.

You might change your code in Access programming #2 to: db.Execute "INSERT
INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES ( #" & Date & "#, " &
FlagCount & ") " which would show a lack of experience - and then see if
they change it to
use:
---------------------------
Dim strSQL As String
strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES ( #" &
Date & "#, " & FlagCount & ") " db.Execute strSQL
---------------------------

I also thought the converting a Word table exercise would be better as
converting an Excel spreadsheet exercise - nothing wrong with the original -
I just think an Excel example would be a more common experience. JMO though.

John

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 11:02 AM
> To: 'John Bartow'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
>
>
> Here you are - no peeking at the answers!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: 13 May 2003 16:57
> To: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
>
>
> Hi Roz,
> I'll give it a drive for you.
>
> John B.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 10:00 AM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
>
>
> I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a
> position as a systems developer later in the week.
>
> Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input
> from y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience, 
> who will be expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very 
> taxing), some light
> (but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair amount of Office
> integration
> and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2.
>
> It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at
> the moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking 
> than 100% correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' 
> answers with them at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for 
> me let me know and I'll mail you the word doc.
>
> TIA
>
> Roz
>
>
>

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From Alun.Garraway at otto.de  Wed May 14 04:40:04 2003
From: Alun.Garraway at otto.de (Garraway, Alun)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:40:04 +0200
Subject: AW: [AccessD] Quick Update Solution
Message-ID: <9F7DD6E5DB1ED611B4B10002A542365C013AE363@ntovmail05.ov.otto.de>

if the LINK_PT is null you want to append the new records, right(?)

if that's the case, you set the LINK_PT as PK no duplicates allowed,
then the append qry can only add records that are new.

hth
alun

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Selina Iddon [mailto:selina at easydatabases.com.au]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 14. Mai 2003 02:04
An: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Betreff: Re: [AccessD] Quick Update Solution


How would you go using an append query with a one-way join on the tables
(the one with the records and the receiving table) and criteria  where the
LINK_PT is null in the receiving table.
Cheers
Selina

>
> >>> pblack at hotmail.com 05/12/03 02:38PM >>>
> Is there a quicker/better way to append data than the method I
> currently
> use:
>
> select all records from table 1
>
> move to first record in table 1
>
> loop through every record in table 2 to see if a match occurs on
> LINK_PT
> field
>
> If there is a match it is skipped.
>
> If there is no match then table 1 record is appended to table 2
>
> Move to next record in table 1 and continue loop until .eof
>
> I can do it this way but is there another quicker solution. As the
> tables
> grow the speed slows. I am using A97 for the app.
>
> Thanks
>
> Paul
>
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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Wed May 14 05:29:47 2003
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 14:29:47 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
References: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C831880395692A@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <001b01c31a03$c1ecc6d0$b501010a@DAISY.local>

> You might change your code in Access programming #2 to: db.Execute "INSERT
> INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES ( #" & Date & "#, " &
> FlagCount & ") " which would show a lack of experience - and then see if
> they change it to
> use:
> ---------------------------
> Dim strSQL As String
> strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES ( #" &
> Date & "#, " & FlagCount & ") " db.Execute strSQL
BTW, both are incorrect - instead of Date you should have used:

Format(Date, "MM\/DD\/YYYY")

or
Format(Date, "YYYY\/MM\/DD")

even this

Format(Date, "DD\/MM\/YYYY")
should work corectly if day number is greater than 12...

Or was it a kind of trap-test?

Shamil

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 1:24 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


> All those to whom I've sent the test today please note: it is a work in
> progress and the test questions document does NOT currently line up
exactly
> with the Q & A document!!
>
> I have to have this signed off in an hour so I won't be sending any more
> copies out until it is finished - that way you'll get Q's & As that make
> sense. Of course any feedback you have will still be interesting even
though
> I won't be able to make any further changes to the test.
>
> Roz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
> Sent: 14 May 2003 09:40
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
>
>
> Thanks John
>
> I've thrown this back to the list to discuss your suggestions.
>
> Regarding the running of SQL statements direct versus passing a string
> variable - is there a reason for doing this other than the re-usability of
> the variable? I want to be able to explain why I was looking for a certain
> thing, and so many of these things are just habits I picked up from the
list
> without ever fully understanding WHY.
>
> An Excel spreadsheet would be more common but I wanted the typos - you'd
be
> a lot less likely to get typos in a spreadsheet... But you're probly right
> anyway.
>
> Thanks again for the input
>
> Roz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: 13 May 2003 21:15
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
>
>
> Roz,
>
> Pretty good test.
>
> A couple of minor suggestions.
>
> You might change your code in Access programming #2 to: db.Execute "INSERT
> INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES ( #" & Date & "#, " &
> FlagCount & ") " which would show a lack of experience - and then see if
> they change it to
> use:
> ---------------------------
> Dim strSQL As String
> strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES ( #" &
> Date & "#, " & FlagCount & ") " db.Execute strSQL
> ---------------------------
>
> I also thought the converting a Word table exercise would be better as
> converting an Excel spreadsheet exercise - nothing wrong with the
original -
> I just think an Excel example would be a more common experience. JMO
though.
>
> John
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 11:02 AM
> > To: 'John Bartow'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
> >
> >
> > Here you are - no peeking at the answers!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> > Sent: 13 May 2003 16:57
> > To: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
> >
> >
> > Hi Roz,
> > I'll give it a drive for you.
> >
> > John B.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 10:00 AM
> > To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
> >
> >
> > I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a
> > position as a systems developer later in the week.
> >
> > Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input
> > from y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience,
> > who will be expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very
> > taxing), some light
> > (but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair amount of Office
> > integration
> > and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2.
> >
> > It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at
> > the moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking
> > than 100% correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees'
> > answers with them at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for
> > me let me know and I'll mail you the word doc.
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Roz
> >
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed May 14 05:49:21 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:49:21 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C831880395692D@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Naw, not a trap-test, I'm just not that good!

Roz
o

-----Original Message-----
From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru] 
Sent: 14 May 2003 11:30
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


> You might change your code in Access programming #2 to: db.Execute 
> "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES ( #" & Date 
> & "#, " & FlagCount & ") " which would show a lack of experience - and 
> then see if they change it to
> use:
> ---------------------------
> Dim strSQL As String
> strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES ( 
> #" & Date & "#, " & FlagCount & ") " db.Execute strSQL
BTW, both are incorrect - instead of Date you should have used:

Format(Date, "MM\/DD\/YYYY")

or
Format(Date, "YYYY\/MM\/DD")

even this

Format(Date, "DD\/MM\/YYYY")
should work corectly if day number is greater than 12...

Or was it a kind of trap-test?

Shamil

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 1:24 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


> All those to whom I've sent the test today please note: it is a work 
> in progress and the test questions document does NOT currently line up
exactly
> with the Q & A document!!
>
> I have to have this signed off in an hour so I won't be sending any 
> more copies out until it is finished - that way you'll get Q's & As 
> that make sense. Of course any feedback you have will still be 
> interesting even
though
> I won't be able to make any further changes to the test.
>
> Roz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
> Sent: 14 May 2003 09:40
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
>
>
> Thanks John
>
> I've thrown this back to the list to discuss your suggestions.
>
> Regarding the running of SQL statements direct versus passing a string 
> variable - is there a reason for doing this other than the 
> re-usability of the variable? I want to be able to explain why I was 
> looking for a certain thing, and so many of these things are just 
> habits I picked up from the
list
> without ever fully understanding WHY.
>
> An Excel spreadsheet would be more common but I wanted the typos - 
> you'd
be
> a lot less likely to get typos in a spreadsheet... But you're probly 
> right anyway.
>
> Thanks again for the input
>
> Roz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: 13 May 2003 21:15
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
>
>
> Roz,
>
> Pretty good test.
>
> A couple of minor suggestions.
>
> You might change your code in Access programming #2 to: db.Execute 
> "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES ( #" & Date 
> & "#, " & FlagCount & ") " which would show a lack of experience - and 
> then see if they change it to
> use:
> ---------------------------
> Dim strSQL As String
> strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES ( 
> #" & Date & "#, " & FlagCount & ") " db.Execute strSQL
> ---------------------------
>
> I also thought the converting a Word table exercise would be better as 
> converting an Excel spreadsheet exercise - nothing wrong with the
original -
> I just think an Excel example would be a more common experience. JMO
though.
>
> John
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 11:02 AM
> > To: 'John Bartow'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
> >
> >
> > Here you are - no peeking at the answers!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> > Sent: 13 May 2003 16:57
> > To: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
> >
> >
> > Hi Roz,
> > I'll give it a drive for you.
> >
> > John B.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 10:00 AM
> > To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
> >
> >
> > I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a 
> > position as a systems developer later in the week.
> >
> > Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input 
> > from y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience, 
> > who will be expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very 
> > taxing), some light (but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair 
> > amount of Office integration
> > and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2.
> >
> > It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at 
> > the moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking 
> > than 100% correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' 
> > answers with them at length). If you'd be willing to road test it 
> > for me let me know and I'll mail you the word doc.
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Roz
> >
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed May 14 05:56:57 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 20:56:57 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956924@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3EC2AD99.16273.2B114F2@localhost>

On 14 May 2003 at 9:39, Roz Clarke wrote:

> Thanks John
> 
> I've thrown this back to the list to discuss your suggestions.
> 
> Regarding the running of SQL statements direct versus passing a string
> variable - is there a reason for doing this other than the
> re-usability of the variable? I want to be able to explain why I was
> looking for a certain thing, and so many of these things are just
> habits I picked up from the list without ever fully understanding WHY.
> 

For debugging purposes, it's a lot easier if you use a string 
variable. If something breaks, you can do a MsgBox strSQL to see 
where it has gone wrong. Using the SQL statement directly is an 
advantage if you are iterating through a loop and executing may 
times. It runs slightly faster.


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Support.




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed May 14 05:59:33 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 20:59:33 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
In-Reply-To: <001b01c31a03$c1ecc6d0$b501010a@DAISY.local>
Message-ID: <3EC2AE35.27425.2B374C5@localhost>

On 14 May 2003 at 14:29, Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:

> BTW, both are incorrect - instead of Date you should have used:
> 
> Format(Date, "MM\/DD\/YYYY")
> 
> or
> Format(Date, "YYYY\/MM\/DD")
> 
> even this
> 
> Format(Date, "DD\/MM\/YYYY")
> should work corectly if day number is greater than 12...
> 
> Or was it a kind of trap-test?
> 
> Shamil
> 

The joys of internationalisation :-)


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From jarus at amerinet-gpo.com  Wed May 14 06:07:48 2003
From: jarus at amerinet-gpo.com (Terri Jarus)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 06:07:48 -0500
Subject: AW: [AccessD] Quick Update Solution
Message-ID: <sec1dd42.019@an-mail.amerinet-gpo.com>

I wouldn't think you would need to do a join.  Just set up an append
query using Table 2 only - when you run it, Table 1 will only accept
those records that have a unique PK.


>>> Alun.Garraway at otto.de 05/14/03 04:40AM >>>
if the LINK_PT is null you want to append the new records, right(?)

if that's the case, you set the LINK_PT as PK no duplicates allowed,
then the append qry can only add records that are new.

hth
alun

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Selina Iddon [mailto:selina at easydatabases.com.au] 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 14. Mai 2003 02:04
An: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Betreff: Re: [AccessD] Quick Update Solution


How would you go using an append query with a one-way join on the
tables
(the one with the records and the receiving table) and criteria  where
the
LINK_PT is null in the receiving table.
Cheers
Selina

>
> >>> pblack at hotmail.com 05/12/03 02:38PM >>>
> Is there a quicker/better way to append data than the method I
> currently
> use:
>
> select all records from table 1
>
> move to first record in table 1
>
> loop through every record in table 2 to see if a match occurs on
> LINK_PT
> field
>
> If there is a match it is skipped.
>
> If there is no match then table 1 record is appended to table 2
>
> Move to next record in table 1 and continue loop until .eof
>
> I can do it this way but is there another quicker solution. As the
> tables
> grow the speed slows. I am using A97 for the app.
>
> Thanks
>
> Paul
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed May 14 06:32:06 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:32:06 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
In-Reply-To: <14133105290979013763d0567@global.net.pg>
References: <14133105290979013763d0567@global.net.pg>
Message-ID: <416400913.20030514133206@cactus.dk>

Hi Stuart

> For debugging purposes, it's a lot easier if you use a string
> variable. If something breaks, you can do a MsgBox strSQL to see 
> where it has gone wrong.
> Using the SQL statement directly is an advantage if you are
> iterating through a loop and executing may times. It runs slightly
> faster. 

Ahh Stuart - I would like to see that application where you can
measure ANY difference between these:

  db.Execute "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES (
  #" & Date & "#, " & FlagCount & ") "
  ---------------------------
  Dim strSQL As String
  strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES (
  #" & Date & "#, " & FlagCount & ") "
  db.Execute strSQL

as the time for setting a string variable is in the microsecond range.

Use of strSQL is also a nice coding habit which make the code easier
to read. Quite often you can even brake it further:

  strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) "
  strSQL = strSQL & "VALUES (#" & Date & "#, " & FlagCount & ") "

/gustav


From john at winhaven.net  Wed May 14 08:06:34 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 08:06:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956924@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIOEFIEHAA.john@winhaven.net>

Roz,
I'm probably too late for any more input - I work US Central time not GMT
:o)

As per my original comments on db.Execute strSQL
For the most part it just makes for more readable code. By being able to
concatenate strings together in the string variable (as Gustav mentioned) it
is also more flexible. I just consider it more advanced because a more
advanced coder would recognize the issue of having to maintain the code. As
far as speed goes I claim ignorance.

Another comment about the note in the answer key concerning DAO versus ADO.
In light of having SQLServer questions I didn't give much thought as it
would seem to be pertinent to your business but in the case of pure
Access/mdb DAO would be the more efficient method. Just thought you might
want to clarify that for people doing the interviewing.

Maybe someone wants to use the thread as a kicker to get a standard set of
interview questions put together for AccessD? If nothing else it should make
for quite a few lengthy discussions (flame wars) in the coming months :o)

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 3:40 AM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
>
>
> Thanks John
>
> I've thrown this back to the list to discuss your suggestions.
>
> Regarding the running of SQL statements direct versus passing a string
> variable - is there a reason for doing this other than the re-usability of
> the variable? I want to be able to explain why I was looking for a certain
> thing, and so many of these things are just habits I picked up
> from the list
> without ever fully understanding WHY.
>
> An Excel spreadsheet would be more common but I wanted the typos
> - you'd be
> a lot less likely to get typos in a spreadsheet... But you're probly right
> anyway.
>
> Thanks again for the input
>
> Roz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: 13 May 2003 21:15
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
>
>
> Roz,
>
> Pretty good test.
>
> A couple of minor suggestions.
>
> You might change your code in Access programming #2 to: db.Execute "INSERT
> INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES ( #" & Date & "#, " &
> FlagCount & ") " which would show a lack of experience - and then see if
> they change it to
> use:
> ---------------------------
> Dim strSQL As String
> strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES ( #" &
> Date & "#, " & FlagCount & ") " db.Execute strSQL
> ---------------------------
>
> I also thought the converting a Word table exercise would be better as
> converting an Excel spreadsheet exercise - nothing wrong with the
> original -
> I just think an Excel example would be a more common experience.
> JMO though.
>
> John
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 11:02 AM
> > To: 'John Bartow'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
> >
> >
> > Here you are - no peeking at the answers!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> > Sent: 13 May 2003 16:57
> > To: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
> >
> >
> > Hi Roz,
> > I'll give it a drive for you.
> >
> > John B.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 10:00 AM
> > To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
> >
> >
> > I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a
> > position as a systems developer later in the week.
> >
> > Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input
> > from y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience,
> > who will be expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very
> > taxing), some light
> > (but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair amount of Office
> > integration
> > and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2.
> >
> > It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at
> > the moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking
> > than 100% correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees'
> > answers with them at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for
> > me let me know and I'll mail you the word doc.
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Roz
> >
> >
> >
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Wed May 14 08:06:35 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 08:06:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
In-Reply-To: <6D8C24685B2A614481AD0BDAB0AC94F995EF@ddi-pdc.DDISolutions.ddisolutions.com.au>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIAEFJEHAA.john@winhaven.net>

Michael,
JFYI as you found, phone lines and network cables should be surge protected
also. The < $100 TripLite UPS's have this covered.

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael
> Maddison
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 1:20 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] scheduling
>
>
> William,
>
> I use surge protectors in my fuse box too...  however...
> About 18 months ago my work pc at home got zapped real good.  A direct
> hit on  the phone connection thingie out the front of my house
> and it wiped out all the phones up and down the street and also my
> modem, motherboard, hdd circuits etc :-(((  Now I leave the PC
> turned on but unplug the modem when storms threaten (rarely).  I managed
> to save my data because I had 2 modems exactly
> the same model, one had my work data on it, the other was sitting in the
> cupboard cos I had replaced it.  I unscrewed the circuit board
> at the bottom and swapped em over.  Still works like a dream :-)
>
> cheers
>
> Michael M
>
>
> ...the better solution is to install real electrical surge protectors at
> your electrical panels rather than the toy suppressors we all have for
> our computers and phones ...most of those sold at computer/office
> outlets can't handle more than a short, mild surge ...for areas like
> south Florida where we get frequent lightning storms you need much more
> ...the ones we have in our main panel and phone distribution block cost
> $300+ but handle over 26MVA surges ...anything but a direct hit
> ...before we installed them we had constant hits on our computers
> despite each having their own suppressors ...after installation, I've
> been able to work through the worst storms ...as long as power stays on,
> I can without worrying ...HTH :)
>
> ...of course if I needed a handy excuse to take off this time of year
> anyway, yours would work :))))
>
> William Hindman
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Wed May 14 08:21:26 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:21:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Textbox formatting question
References: <NEBBIILOPOPJBCLJIJHHMEJJEAAA.michael.broesdorf@web.de>
	<588123430.20030514111408@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001f01c31a1b$b93037d0$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

Michael

...lebans (www.lebans.com) has good code for formatting within the text box
...HTH :)

William Hindman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 5:14 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Textbox formatting question


> Hi Michael
>
> > is it possible to format portions the values display in a textbox on a
form
> > in bold formatting?
>
> > The value always is an 8-character string. The 3rd and 4th character
should
> > be displayed bold, but I don't want to split up the field.
>
> > Something like HTML would do with 12<b>34</b>5678
>
> If it is for display only, I would split up the field and choose a
> font with equal width of every digit like MS Sans Serif.
>
> /gustav
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From hsimpson88 at hotmail.com  Wed May 14 09:30:04 2003
From: hsimpson88 at hotmail.com (Henry Simpson)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 08:30:04 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...
Message-ID: <Sea2-F10xsFBUx3zvPh000313b1@hotmail.com>

Curious that in Access 97, and I'll assume subsequent versions as well, a 
yes/no field stores 2 bytes for each entry.  Using a numeric value like a 
byte requires half the storage and gives you 8 states that equate to 8 two 
state fields or 4 four state fields or whatever other combination of 8 bits 
you devise, plus null.  I've never understood why the yes/no field requires 
two bytes and use bytes for boolean fields for the increased flexibility.  
Form logic doesn't seem to require any change if you simply use one byte 
field for each field requiring a boolean display.

Hen


>From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com>, accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...
>Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:12:46 +1000
>
>On 13 May 2003 at 19:42, Drew Wutka wrote:
> >
> > So I hypothesized that by setting a Yes/No field, you had either 0 or
> > -1 (maybe 1, I don't remember), but since a Yes/No field only has two
> > possible values, there was nothing for null, so each field is
> > automatically populated with 0 or -1.  By switching that field to a
> > number field, it tried to 'convert' the data in those fields, which it
> > did successfully to 0.
> >
> > So to prove this, I went into design for that table, changed my 'null
> > filled' number field to Yes/No, hit save, changed it back to number,
> > and hit save again.  Whalla, went into datasheet view, and no I had
> > all zero's in my number field.
> >
> > Pretty interesting eh?  (Or do I just need some sleep?)
> >
>
>A Yes/No field can only have  two values Yes or No, not 3 values
>(Yes, No, Null/Unknown)
>
>That's why you get the annoying behaviour of multiple bound Yes/No
>fields on a form (assuming your form is bound <g>).
>
>Set the field Required Property to "NO" and the default value to
>"NULL"  and on your form, set the Checkboxes to TripleState.
>
>When you go to a New record, the check boxes are grey (Null), but as
>soon as you start to enter any data, they ALL become False (ie
>unticked). When you try to cycle through the values of one of
>checkbox with the space bar or mouse, you get an error when you try
>to set it to Null ("The value you enterd isn't valid for this field")
>
>The only way to have a TripleState field with a checkbox is by making
>the field type numeric :-(
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>Support.

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From GarciaD at kentri.org  Wed May 14 09:32:42 2003
From: GarciaD at kentri.org (Dwylene Garcia)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:32:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design... (Out
	of Office)
Message-ID: <sec21b5d.004@marble.kenthospital.org>

I will be out of the office until Monday, May 19, 2003.  

Have a great weekend!

Dwylene 

From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May 14 10:23:54 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 08:23:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F53@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Is the additional byte for the sign?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Henry Simpson [mailto:hsimpson88 at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 6:30 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...


Curious that in Access 97, and I'll assume subsequent versions as well,
a 
yes/no field stores 2 bytes for each entry.  Using a numeric value like
a 
byte requires half the storage and gives you 8 states that equate to 8
two 
state fields or 4 four state fields or whatever other combination of 8
bits 
you devise, plus null.  I've never understood why the yes/no field
requires 
two bytes and use bytes for boolean fields for the increased
flexibility.  
Form logic doesn't seem to require any change if you simply use one byte

field for each field requiring a boolean display.

Hen


>From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com>, accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...
>Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:12:46 +1000
>
>On 13 May 2003 at 19:42, Drew Wutka wrote:
> >
> > So I hypothesized that by setting a Yes/No field, you had either 0 
> > or -1 (maybe 1, I don't remember), but since a Yes/No field only has

> > two possible values, there was nothing for null, so each field is 
> > automatically populated with 0 or -1.  By switching that field to a 
> > number field, it tried to 'convert' the data in those fields, which 
> > it did successfully to 0.
> >
> > So to prove this, I went into design for that table, changed my 
> > 'null filled' number field to Yes/No, hit save, changed it back to 
> > number, and hit save again.  Whalla, went into datasheet view, and 
> > no I had all zero's in my number field.
> >
> > Pretty interesting eh?  (Or do I just need some sleep?)
> >
>
>A Yes/No field can only have  two values Yes or No, not 3 values (Yes, 
>No, Null/Unknown)
>
>That's why you get the annoying behaviour of multiple bound Yes/No 
>fields on a form (assuming your form is bound <g>).
>
>Set the field Required Property to "NO" and the default value to "NULL"

>and on your form, set the Checkboxes to TripleState.
>
>When you go to a New record, the check boxes are grey (Null), but as 
>soon as you start to enter any data, they ALL become False (ie 
>unticked). When you try to cycle through the values of one of checkbox 
>with the space bar or mouse, you get an error when you try to set it to

>Null ("The value you enterd isn't valid for this field")
>
>The only way to have a TripleState field with a checkbox is by making 
>the field type numeric :-(
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
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>Support.

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May 14 10:29:08 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 08:29:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F54@infoserver01.infostat.local>

That's assuming that the date is being inserted is in US format already,
as SQL requires.  If you format it, it may no longer be in US format.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 2:30 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


> You might change your code in Access programming #2 to: db.Execute 
> "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES ( #" & Date 
> & "#, " & FlagCount & ") " which would show a lack of experience - and

> then see if they change it to
> use:
> ---------------------------
> Dim strSQL As String
> strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES ( 
> #" & Date & "#, " & FlagCount & ") " db.Execute strSQL
BTW, both are incorrect - instead of Date you should have used:

Format(Date, "MM\/DD\/YYYY")

or
Format(Date, "YYYY\/MM\/DD")

even this

Format(Date, "DD\/MM\/YYYY")
should work corectly if day number is greater than 12...

Or was it a kind of trap-test?

Shamil

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 1:24 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


> All those to whom I've sent the test today please note: it is a work 
> in progress and the test questions document does NOT currently line up
exactly
> with the Q & A document!!
>
> I have to have this signed off in an hour so I won't be sending any 
> more copies out until it is finished - that way you'll get Q's & As 
> that make sense. Of course any feedback you have will still be 
> interesting even
though
> I won't be able to make any further changes to the test.
>
> Roz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
> Sent: 14 May 2003 09:40
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
>
>
> Thanks John
>
> I've thrown this back to the list to discuss your suggestions.
>
> Regarding the running of SQL statements direct versus passing a string

> variable - is there a reason for doing this other than the 
> re-usability of the variable? I want to be able to explain why I was 
> looking for a certain thing, and so many of these things are just 
> habits I picked up from the
list
> without ever fully understanding WHY.
>
> An Excel spreadsheet would be more common but I wanted the typos - 
> you'd
be
> a lot less likely to get typos in a spreadsheet... But you're probly 
> right anyway.
>
> Thanks again for the input
>
> Roz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: 13 May 2003 21:15
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
>
>
> Roz,
>
> Pretty good test.
>
> A couple of minor suggestions.
>
> You might change your code in Access programming #2 to: db.Execute 
> "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES ( #" & Date 
> & "#, " & FlagCount & ") " which would show a lack of experience - and

> then see if they change it to
> use:
> ---------------------------
> Dim strSQL As String
> strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES ( 
> #" & Date & "#, " & FlagCount & ") " db.Execute strSQL
> ---------------------------
>
> I also thought the converting a Word table exercise would be better as

> converting an Excel spreadsheet exercise - nothing wrong with the
original -
> I just think an Excel example would be a more common experience. JMO
though.
>
> John
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 11:02 AM
> > To: 'John Bartow'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
> >
> >
> > Here you are - no peeking at the answers!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> > Sent: 13 May 2003 16:57
> > To: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
> >
> >
> > Hi Roz,
> > I'll give it a drive for you.
> >
> > John B.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 10:00 AM
> > To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
> >
> >
> > I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a 
> > position as a systems developer later in the week.
> >
> > Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input

> > from y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience,

> > who will be expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very

> > taxing), some light (but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair 
> > amount of Office integration
> > and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2.
> >
> > It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at

> > the moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking

> > than 100% correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' 
> > answers with them at length). If you'd be willing to road test it 
> > for me let me know and I'll mail you the word doc.
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Roz
> >
> >
> >
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May 14 10:30:16 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 08:30:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Textbox formatting question
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F55@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Only if you use a RichTextFormat control, which is not a native Access
control.
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Michael Brosdorf [mailto:michael.broesdorf at web.de] 
	Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 1:02 AM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: [AccessD] Textbox formatting question
	
	
	Dear group,
	 
	is it possible to format portions the values display in a
textbox on a form in bold formatting?
	 
	The value always is an 8-character string. The 3rd and 4th
character should be displayed bold, but I don't want to split up the
field.
	 
	Something like HTML would do with 12<b>34</b>5678
	 
	 
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From Philippe.Pons19 at wanadoo.fr  Wed May 14 19:45:16 2003
From: Philippe.Pons19 at wanadoo.fr (Philippe Pons)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 17:45:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Wizards will not start in Access2002, W2KPro
Message-ID: <067d01c31a7b$41640780$f10f3351@linceo>

Dear all,

I have this problem when I try to use any wizard from the form design toolbox.
I just un- and reinstall Access as well as the Shared Office Components and the Office Tools, but no fix.
Did anybody experienced this problem and found a solution?
Thank's in advance
Philippe.
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed May 14 10:49:23 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 17:49:23 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F53@infoserver01.infostat.local>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F53@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <11531838381.20030514174923@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

Would that be for Not Yes and Not No?

(sorry)

/gustav


> Is the additional byte for the sign?

> Charlotte Foust

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Henry Simpson [mailto:hsimpson88 at hotmail.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 6:30 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...


> Curious that in Access 97, and I'll assume subsequent versions as well,
> a yes/no field stores 2 bytes for each entry.  Using a numeric value
> like a byte requires half the storage and gives you 8 states that
> equate to 8 two state fields or 4 four state fields or whatever
> other combination of 8 bits you devise, plus null.  I've never
> understood why the yes/no field requires two bytes and use bytes for
> boolean fields for the increased flexibility.
> Form logic doesn't seem to require any change if you simply use one byte
> field for each field requiring a boolean display.


From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed May 14 10:53:45 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 17:53:45 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F54@infoserver01.infostat.local>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F54@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <9432099767.20030514175345@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

Oops, Charlotte - totally confused after a hard night's sleep?

/gustav


> That's assuming that the date is being inserted is in US format already,
> as SQL requires.  If you format it, it may no longer be in US format.

> Charlotte Foust

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 2:30 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Technical test for developers

>> You might change your code in Access programming #2 to: db.Execute 
>> "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES ( #" & Date 
>> & "#, " & FlagCount & ") " which would show a lack of experience - and

>> then see if they change it to
>> use:
>> ---------------------------
>> Dim strSQL As String
>> strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES ( 
>> #" & Date & "#, " & FlagCount & ") " db.Execute strSQL

> BTW, both are incorrect - instead of Date you should have used:

> Format(Date, "MM\/DD\/YYYY")

> or
> Format(Date, "YYYY\/MM\/DD")

> even this

> Format(Date, "DD\/MM\/YYYY")
> should work corectly if day number is greater than 12...

> Or was it a kind of trap-test?

> Shamil


From garykjos at hotmail.com  Wed May 14 11:02:52 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:02:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Wizards will not start in Access2002, W2KPro
Message-ID: <BAY2-F37BsQwY6YHkid0000055c@hotmail.com>

There is an icon for turning the wizards on and off on the toolbar. Is it 
Highlighted? It looks like a magician's wand - a diagonal stick with some 
dots below it. It's the second one over on the right hand side in between 
the pointer arrow and the Label control icons on my A2K toolbax toolbar. If 
that isn't clicked the wizards don't run.



Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: "Philippe Pons" <Philippe.Pons19 at wanadoo.fr>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] Wizards will not start in Access2002, W2KPro
>Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 17:45:16 -0700
>
>Dear all,
>
>I have this problem when I try to use any wizard from the form design 
>toolbox.
>I just un- and reinstall Access as well as the Shared Office Components and 
>the Office Tools, but no fix.
>Did anybody experienced this problem and found a solution?
>Thank's in advance
>Philippe.
>_______________________________________________
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May 14 11:07:35 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:07:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F57@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Gustav, 

I can't help it if what I meant and what I said don't coincide.  Didn't
you see the disclaimer at the bottom of my post?  Oh, yeah, that's
right.  I forgot about the disclaimer.   Hmmn. <VBG>  

What I meant was that if you format it, you need to be sure the format
corresponds to a US Date format, which is mm/dd/yyyy.  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 7:54 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


Hi Charlotte

Oops, Charlotte - totally confused after a hard night's sleep?

/gustav


> That's assuming that the date is being inserted is in US format 
> already, as SQL requires.  If you format it, it may no longer be in US

> format.

> Charlotte Foust

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 2:30 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Technical test for developers

>> You might change your code in Access programming #2 to: db.Execute
>> "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES ( #" & Date

>> & "#, " & FlagCount & ") " which would show a lack of experience -
and

>> then see if they change it to
>> use:
>> ---------------------------
>> Dim strSQL As String
>> strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES (
>> #" & Date & "#, " & FlagCount & ") " db.Execute strSQL

> BTW, both are incorrect - instead of Date you should have used:

> Format(Date, "MM\/DD\/YYYY")

> or
> Format(Date, "YYYY\/MM\/DD")

> even this

> Format(Date, "DD\/MM\/YYYY")
> should work corectly if day number is greater than 12...

> Or was it a kind of trap-test?

> Shamil

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May 14 11:08:44 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:08:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F58@infoserver01.infostat.local>

:oP

That would be -1 as opposed to 1.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 7:49 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...


Hi Charlotte

Would that be for Not Yes and Not No?

(sorry)

/gustav


> Is the additional byte for the sign?

> Charlotte Foust

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Henry Simpson [mailto:hsimpson88 at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 6:30 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...


> Curious that in Access 97, and I'll assume subsequent versions as
well,
> a yes/no field stores 2 bytes for each entry.  Using a numeric value
> like a byte requires half the storage and gives you 8 states that
> equate to 8 two state fields or 4 four state fields or whatever
> other combination of 8 bits you devise, plus null.  I've never
> understood why the yes/no field requires two bytes and use bytes for
> boolean fields for the increased flexibility.
> Form logic doesn't seem to require any change if you simply use one
byte
> field for each field requiring a boolean display.

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May 14 11:10:11 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:10:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Wizards will not start in Access2002, W2KPro
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F59@infoserver01.infostat.local>

If you have the wizards installed (you did select them, right?) and
turned on, then the only thing I can suggest is a detect and repair from
the Access help menu.
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Philippe Pons [mailto:Philippe.Pons19 at wanadoo.fr] 
	Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 4:45 PM
	To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: [AccessD] Wizards will not start in Access2002, W2KPro
	
	
	Dear all,
	 
	I have this problem when I try to use any wizard from the form
design toolbox.
	I just un- and reinstall Access as well as the Shared Office
Components and the Office Tools, but no fix.
	Did anybody experienced this problem and found a solution?
	Thank's in advance
	Philippe.

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From Philippe.Pons19 at wanadoo.fr  Wed May 14 20:17:56 2003
From: Philippe.Pons19 at wanadoo.fr (Philippe Pons)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 18:17:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Wizards will not start in Access2002, W2KPro
References: <BAY2-F37BsQwY6YHkid0000055c@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <068b01c31a7f$d143b4f0$f10f3351@linceo>

Gary,

Yes this icon is turned on.
Another occurence is when I try to import Outlook contacts into Access,
using the File/ Get External Data.
Normally when you click Outlook In the Files Of Type box, you will receive a
prompt for an Outlook Profile.
This wizard does not start either.
Therefore all the wizards are off, not only the ones from the toolbox.

This problem arises after having upgraded W2KPro to sp3 in order to instal
visual studio.net 2003.

Any other idea?

TIA,

Philippe.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary Kjos" <garykjos at hotmail.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Wizards will not start in Access2002, W2KPro


> There is an icon for turning the wizards on and off on the toolbar. Is it
> Highlighted? It looks like a magician's wand - a diagonal stick with some
> dots below it. It's the second one over on the right hand side in between
> the pointer arrow and the Label control icons on my A2K toolbax toolbar.
If
> that isn't clicked the wizards don't run.
>
>
>
> Gary Kjos
> garykjos at hotmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Philippe Pons" <Philippe.Pons19 at wanadoo.fr>
> >Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Subject: [AccessD] Wizards will not start in Access2002, W2KPro
> >Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 17:45:16 -0700
> >
> >Dear all,
> >
> >I have this problem when I try to use any wizard from the form design
> >toolbox.
> >I just un- and reinstall Access as well as the Shared Office Components
and
> >the Office Tools, but no fix.
> >Did anybody experienced this problem and found a solution?
> >Thank's in advance
> >Philippe.
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From delliker at hotmail.com  Wed May 14 11:33:18 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 12:33:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Wizards will not start in Access2002, W2KPro
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From Philippe.Pons19 at wanadoo.fr  Wed May 14 20:35:44 2003
From: Philippe.Pons19 at wanadoo.fr (Philippe Pons)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 18:35:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Wizards will not start in Access2002, W2KPro
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F59@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <06a701c31a82$5377d9e0$f10f3351@linceo>

MessageYes, wizards are installed.
Detect and Repair did nothing!

In fact wizards were running ok, until I upgraded W2KPro to sp3 and installed VS.NET 2003.
I guess the cause lies somewhere in this new installation.

Thank's however
Philippe.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Charlotte Foust 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 9:10 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Wizards will not start in Access2002, W2KPro


  If you have the wizards installed (you did select them, right?) and turned on, then the only thing I can suggest is a detect and repair from the Access help menu.

  Charlotte Foust
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Philippe Pons [mailto:Philippe.Pons19 at wanadoo.fr] 
    Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 4:45 PM
    To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
    Subject: [AccessD] Wizards will not start in Access2002, W2KPro


    Dear all,

    I have this problem when I try to use any wizard from the form design toolbox.
    I just un- and reinstall Access as well as the Shared Office Components and the Office Tools, but no fix.
    Did anybody experienced this problem and found a solution?
    Thank's in advance
    Philippe.


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed May 14 11:43:41 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 18:43:41 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F57@infoserver01.infostat.local>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F57@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <2835095835.20030514184341@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

> I can't help it if what I meant and what I said don't coincide.  Didn't
> you see the disclaimer at the bottom of my post?  Oh, yeah, that's
> right.  I forgot about the disclaimer.   Hmmn. <VBG>  

> What I meant was that if you format it, you need to be sure the format
> corresponds to a US Date format, which is mm/dd/yyyy.

Yes, Shamil, Charlotte is right:

  Format(Date, "MM\/DD\/YYYY")

is the one to use. It will never fail.

/gustav


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 7:54 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


> Hi Charlotte

> Oops, Charlotte - totally confused after a hard night's sleep?

> /gustav


>> That's assuming that the date is being inserted is in US format 
>> already, as SQL requires.  If you format it, it may no longer be in US
>> format.

>> Charlotte Foust

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru]
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 2:30 AM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Technical test for developers

>>> You might change your code in Access programming #2 to: db.Execute
>>> "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES ( #" & Date

>>> & "#, " & FlagCount & ") " which would show a lack of experience -
>>> and

>>> then see if they change it to
>>> use:
>>> ---------------------------
>>> Dim strSQL As String
>>> strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES (
>>> #" & Date & "#, " & FlagCount & ") " db.Execute strSQL

>> BTW, both are incorrect - instead of Date you should have used:

>> Format(Date, "MM\/DD\/YYYY")

>> or
>> Format(Date, "YYYY\/MM\/DD")

>> even this

>> Format(Date, "DD\/MM\/YYYY")
>> should work corectly if day number is greater than 12...

>> Or was it a kind of trap-test?

>> Shamil


From delliker at hotmail.com  Wed May 14 12:26:29 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:26:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Replication Manager
Message-ID: <Law12-F124NdTyj6iZk00002385@hotmail.com>

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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Wed May 14 12:32:49 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 12:32:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Help with Help
Message-ID: <BAY2-F36DIfWb4SaFMw0000c331@hotmail.com>

I have two computers here at the office. One has Access 97 and the other 
Access 2000. What do I need to do in order to use the Access 97 help files 
on the Access 2000 computer?

I've copied what I thought were the relevent files to the system but when i 
open what appeared to be the main help file ACMAIN80.HLP it cannot find a 
function such as dateadd.

Do I need to register something or do something other than just copy the 
files over? I don't need to get to them from within Access, I can just add a 
shortcut to fire them up.

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com

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From hsimpson88 at hotmail.com  Wed May 14 12:49:29 2003
From: hsimpson88 at hotmail.com (Henry Simpson)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:49:29 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...
Message-ID: <Sea2-F19SnEGUhMgrkg00032d75@hotmail.com>

Implying that a boolean field is a signed byte, and that could be why there 
are two bytes.  Form and code logic, bound or otherwise only require zero or 
not zero.  If I'm not mistaken, .Net is 0 and 1, or at least there were 
rumblings that this was going to be the case earlier in the .Net design 
process.  Maybe someone who knows can chime in.

I won't second guess Microsoft on why they went to a two byte field, I 
simply use a byte and occasionally, bits of the byte.  I see no reason for 
the datatype except that it displays a checkbox in the table, and my users 
don't see tables.  If Microsoft uses a signed byte for backward 
compatibility with VB and VBA, they could have used the first bit and made 
the numeric range -128 to 127 and kept it at a byte.  Signed and unsigned 
typically cover the same range of numbers execpt it starts at negative 1/2 
the value of the unsigned numeric.  Whatever their reasons, they seem 
illogical and inconsistent.

Hen


>From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...
>Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:08:44 -0700
>
>:oP
>
>That would be -1 as opposed to 1.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
>Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 7:49 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...
>
>
>Hi Charlotte
>
>Would that be for Not Yes and Not No?
>
>(sorry)
>
>/gustav
>
>
> > Is the additional byte for the sign?
>
> > Charlotte Foust
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Henry Simpson [mailto:hsimpson88 at hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 6:30 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...
>
>
> > Curious that in Access 97, and I'll assume subsequent versions as
>well,
> > a yes/no field stores 2 bytes for each entry.  Using a numeric value
> > like a byte requires half the storage and gives you 8 states that
> > equate to 8 two state fields or 4 four state fields or whatever
> > other combination of 8 bits you devise, plus null.  I've never
> > understood why the yes/no field requires two bytes and use bytes for
> > boolean fields for the increased flexibility.
> > Form logic doesn't seem to require any change if you simply use one
>byte
> > field for each field requiring a boolean display.

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May 14 12:54:37 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:54:37 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F5B@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Illogical?  Inconsistent??  You *must* be thinking of someone besides
Microsoft!!  <VBG>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Henry Simpson [mailto:hsimpson88 at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 9:49 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...


Implying that a boolean field is a signed byte, and that could be why
there 
are two bytes.  Form and code logic, bound or otherwise only require
zero or 
not zero.  If I'm not mistaken, .Net is 0 and 1, or at least there were 
rumblings that this was going to be the case earlier in the .Net design 
process.  Maybe someone who knows can chime in.

I won't second guess Microsoft on why they went to a two byte field, I 
simply use a byte and occasionally, bits of the byte.  I see no reason
for 
the datatype except that it displays a checkbox in the table, and my
users 
don't see tables.  If Microsoft uses a signed byte for backward 
compatibility with VB and VBA, they could have used the first bit and
made 
the numeric range -128 to 127 and kept it at a byte.  Signed and
unsigned 
typically cover the same range of numbers execpt it starts at negative
1/2 
the value of the unsigned numeric.  Whatever their reasons, they seem 
illogical and inconsistent.

Hen


>From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...
>Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:08:44 -0700
>
>:oP
>
>That would be -1 as opposed to 1.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
>Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 7:49 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...
>
>
>Hi Charlotte
>
>Would that be for Not Yes and Not No?
>
>(sorry)
>
>/gustav
>
>
> > Is the additional byte for the sign?
>
> > Charlotte Foust
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Henry Simpson [mailto:hsimpson88 at hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 6:30 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...
>
>
> > Curious that in Access 97, and I'll assume subsequent versions as
>well,
> > a yes/no field stores 2 bytes for each entry.  Using a numeric value

> > like a byte requires half the storage and gives you 8 states that 
> > equate to 8 two state fields or 4 four state fields or whatever 
> > other combination of 8 bits you devise, plus null.  I've never 
> > understood why the yes/no field requires two bytes and use bytes for

> > boolean fields for the increased flexibility. Form logic doesn't 
> > seem to require any change if you simply use one
>byte
> > field for each field requiring a boolean display.

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May 14 12:57:29 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:57:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Wizards will not start in Access2002, W2KPro
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F5C@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I ran AXP on a W2kPro SP3 machine before I got the current WinXP box and
had no problems with wizards.  I would suspect the VS.Net beta as the
culprit.  That's why they tell you never to install betas on production
machines.
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Philippe Pons [mailto:Philippe.Pons19 at wanadoo.fr] 
	Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 5:36 PM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: Re: [AccessD] Wizards will not start in Access2002,
W2KPro
	
	
	Yes, wizards are installed.
	Detect and Repair did nothing!
	 
	In fact wizards were running ok, until I upgraded W2KPro to sp3
and installed VS.NET 2003.
	I guess the cause lies somewhere in this new installation.
	 
	Thank's however
	Philippe.

		----- Original Message ----- 
		From: Charlotte Foust
<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com>  
		To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
		Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 9:10 AM
		Subject: RE: [AccessD] Wizards will not start in
Access2002, W2KPro

		If you have the wizards installed (you did select them,
right?) and turned on, then the only thing I can suggest is a detect and
repair from the Access help menu.
		 
		Charlotte Foust

			-----Original Message-----
			From: Philippe Pons
[mailto:Philippe.Pons19 at wanadoo.fr] 
			Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 4:45 PM
			To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
			Subject: [AccessD] Wizards will not start in
Access2002, W2KPro
			
			
			Dear all,
			 
			I have this problem when I try to use any wizard
from the form design toolbox.
			I just un- and reinstall Access as well as the
Shared Office Components and the Office Tools, but no fix.
			Did anybody experienced this problem and found a
solution?
			Thank's in advance
			Philippe.

		
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May 14 12:58:10 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:58:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Wizards will not start in Access2002, W2KPro
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F5D@infoserver01.infostat.local>

ROFL
So *that's* what it's for!!
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
	Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 8:33 AM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: Re: [AccessD] Wizards will not start in Access2002,
W2KPro
	
	

	oh...I thought that was the 'magically build my App'
button....I've been clicking that and going home....
	_D
	

	"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for
them." 
	
	>From: "Gary Kjos" 
	>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
	>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
	>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Wizards will not start in Access2002,
W2KPro 
	>Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:02:52 -0500 
	> 
	>There is an icon for turning the wizards on and off on the
toolbar. 
	>Is it Highlighted? It looks like a magician's wand - a diagonal

	>stick with some dots below it. It's the second one over on the
right 
	>hand side in between the pointer arrow and the Label control
icons 
	>on my A2K toolbax toolbar. If that isn't clicked the wizards
don't 
	>run. 
	> 
	> 
	> 
	>Gary Kjos 
	>garykjos at hotmail.com 
	> 
	> 
	> 
	> 
	> 
	>>From: "Philippe Pons" 
	>>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
	>>To: 
	>>Subject: [AccessD] Wizards will not start in Access2002,
W2KPro 
	>>Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 17:45:16 -0700 
	>> 
	>>Dear all, 
	>> 
	>>I have this problem when I try to use any wizard from the form

	>>design toolbox. 
	>>I just un- and reinstall Access as well as the Shared Office 
	>>Components and the Office Tools, but no fix. 
	>>Did anybody experienced this problem and found a solution? 
	>>Thank's in advance 
	>>Philippe. 
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From jim.hale at fleetpride.com  Wed May 14 13:03:48 2003
From: jim.hale at fleetpride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:03:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...
Message-ID: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF87305F61331@corp-es00>

You sound like my wife. :-)
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 10:49 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...


Hi Charlotte

Would that be for Not Yes and Not No?

(sorry)

/gustav


> Is the additional byte for the sign?

> Charlotte Foust

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Henry Simpson [mailto:hsimpson88 at hotmail.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 6:30 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...


> Curious that in Access 97, and I'll assume subsequent versions as well,
> a yes/no field stores 2 bytes for each entry.  Using a numeric value
> like a byte requires half the storage and gives you 8 states that
> equate to 8 two state fields or 4 four state fields or whatever
> other combination of 8 bits you devise, plus null.  I've never
> understood why the yes/no field requires two bytes and use bytes for
> boolean fields for the increased flexibility.
> Form logic doesn't seem to require any change if you simply use one byte
> field for each field requiring a boolean display.

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From Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK  Wed May 14 13:13:13 2003
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK (Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 19:13:13 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT Arthur
In-Reply-To: <Sea2-F19SnEGUhMgrkg00032d75@hotmail.com>
References: <Sea2-F19SnEGUhMgrkg00032d75@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <1052935993.3ec287390f53c@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

Apologies folks


Arthur 


Can you let me know when your online tonight.


Martin

From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed May 14 13:25:43 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:25:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Help with Help
References: <BAY2-F36DIfWb4SaFMw0000c331@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3EC28A27.8040004@shaw.ca>

I think you also need ACVBA80.hlp and VEENLR.hlp file in same directory

Gary Kjos wrote:

> I have two computers here at the office. One has Access 97 and the 
> other Access 2000. What do I need to do in order to use the Access 97 
> help files on the Access 2000 computer?
>
> I've copied what I thought were the relevent files to the system but 
> when i open what appeared to be the main help file ACMAIN80.HLP it 
> cannot find a function such as dateadd.
>
> Do I need to register something or do something other than just copy 
> the files over? I don't need to get to them from within Access, I can 
> just add a shortcut to fire them up.
>
> Gary Kjos
> garykjos at hotmail.com
>
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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Wed May 14 13:36:28 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:36:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Help with Help (Solved)
Message-ID: <BAY2-F138sShdbRMy6w000194bf@hotmail.com>

Never mind. I got it. Seems I didn't have ALL the files I needed.

Found the clue here;
http://www.microsoft.com/officedev/tips/VBAHlp.htm

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: "Gary Kjos" <garykjos at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Help with Help
>Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 12:32:49 -0500
>
>I have two computers here at the office. One has Access 97 and the other 
>Access 2000. What do I need to do in order to use the Access 97 help files 
>on the Access 2000 computer?
>
>I've copied what I thought were the relevent files to the system but when i 
>open what appeared to be the main help file ACMAIN80.HLP it cannot find a 
>function such as dateadd.
>
>Do I need to register something or do something other than just copy the 
>files over? I don't need to get to them from within Access, I can just add 
>a shortcut to fire them up.
>
>Gary Kjos
>garykjos at hotmail.com
>
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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Wed May 14 13:38:54 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:38:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Help with Help
Message-ID: <BAY2-F27Ds9aAOPpBpc00000e26@hotmail.com>

Thanks Marty.  The VEENLR.hlp  was the one I was missing - since it was in a 
different folder on the other system - Common Shared something or other.

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with Help
>Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:25:43 -0700
>
>I think you also need ACVBA80.hlp and VEENLR.hlp file in same directory
>
>Gary Kjos wrote:
>
>>I have two computers here at the office. One has Access 97 and the other 
>>Access 2000. What do I need to do in order to use the Access 97 help files 
>>on the Access 2000 computer?
>>
>>I've copied what I thought were the relevent files to the system but when 
>>i open what appeared to be the main help file ACMAIN80.HLP it cannot find 
>>a function such as dateadd.
>>
>>Do I need to register something or do something other than just copy the 
>>files over? I don't need to get to them from within Access, I can just add 
>>a shortcut to fire them up.
>>
>>Gary Kjos
>>garykjos at hotmail.com
>>
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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Wed May 14 13:47:36 2003
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 22:47:36 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
References: 	<E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F57@infoserver01.infostat.local>
	<2835095835.20030514184341@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000f01c31a49$4daf1340$b501010a@DAISY.local>

>   Format(Date, "MM\/DD\/YYYY")
> is the one to use. It will never fail.
Gustav,

I think that

Format(Date, "YYYY\/MM\/DD")

should never fail too.

As for this: Format(Date, "DD\/MM\/YYYY") - as I wrote it will work
correctly if day number is greater than 12... - of course it CANNOT be
recommended for use...

And I think that Format(Date, "YYYY\/MM\/DD") is easier to interpret for
Europeans when they see the result of such formatting in SQL expressions...

Shamil

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


> Hi Charlotte
>
> > I can't help it if what I meant and what I said don't coincide.  Didn't
> > you see the disclaimer at the bottom of my post?  Oh, yeah, that's
> > right.  I forgot about the disclaimer.   Hmmn. <VBG>
>
> > What I meant was that if you format it, you need to be sure the format
> > corresponds to a US Date format, which is mm/dd/yyyy.
>
> Yes, Shamil, Charlotte is right:
>
>   Format(Date, "MM\/DD\/YYYY")
>
> is the one to use. It will never fail.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 7:54 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
>
>
> > Hi Charlotte
>
> > Oops, Charlotte - totally confused after a hard night's sleep?
>
> > /gustav
>
>
> >> That's assuming that the date is being inserted is in US format
> >> already, as SQL requires.  If you format it, it may no longer be in US
> >> format.
>
> >> Charlotte Foust
>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 2:30 AM
> >> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
>
> >>> You might change your code in Access programming #2 to: db.Execute
> >>> "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES ( #" & Date
>
> >>> & "#, " & FlagCount & ") " which would show a lack of experience -
> >>> and
>
> >>> then see if they change it to
> >>> use:
> >>> ---------------------------
> >>> Dim strSQL As String
> >>> strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES (
> >>> #" & Date & "#, " & FlagCount & ") " db.Execute strSQL
>
> >> BTW, both are incorrect - instead of Date you should have used:
>
> >> Format(Date, "MM\/DD\/YYYY")
>
> >> or
> >> Format(Date, "YYYY\/MM\/DD")
>
> >> even this
>
> >> Format(Date, "DD\/MM\/YYYY")
> >> should work corectly if day number is greater than 12...
>
> >> Or was it a kind of trap-test?
>
> >> Shamil
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed May 14 14:03:53 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 21:03:53 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Apple WebObjects
Message-ID: <11743508261.20030514210353@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Just noticed this which seems to have been around for a while:

  http://www.apple.com/webobjects/

Anyone familiar with this?

Unfortunately the demo version is for Mac only ...

/gustav


From Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK  Wed May 14 13:51:03 2003
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK (Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 19:51:03 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit
In-Reply-To: <416400913.20030514133206@cactus.dk>
References: <14133105290979013763d0567@global.net.pg>
	<416400913.20030514133206@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <1052938263.3ec290174318f@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

Could someone give me a quick run down of the features available with the 
Office 2002 Developers kit.

Nothing in detail mainly a list of what it can do with specific reference to 
Access.


Thanks

Martin

From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed May 14 14:06:55 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 21:06:55 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
In-Reply-To: <000f01c31a49$4daf1340$b501010a@DAISY.local>
References:  <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F57@infoserver01.infostat.local>
 <2835095835.20030514184341@cactus.dk>
 <000f01c31a49$4daf1340$b501010a@DAISY.local>
Message-ID: <13143690223.20030514210655@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil

Yes, you are probably right about YYYY/MM/DD - I just don't have the
nerves to try!

/gustav


>>   Format(Date, "MM\/DD\/YYYY")
>> is the one to use. It will never fail.

> Gustav,

> I think that

> Format(Date, "YYYY\/MM\/DD")

> should never fail too.

> As for this: Format(Date, "DD\/MM\/YYYY") - as I wrote it will work
> correctly if day number is greater than 12... - of course it CANNOT be
> recommended for use...

> And I think that Format(Date, "YYYY\/MM\/DD") is easier to interpret for
> Europeans when they see the result of such formatting in SQL expressions...


From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Wed May 14 14:09:12 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 14:09:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357FE@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Martin,

It gives you the ability to create run-time Access executables and the
license to distribute them.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
[mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK] 
Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 14 13:51
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit

Could someone give me a quick run down of the features available with
the 
Office 2002 Developers kit.

Nothing in detail mainly a list of what it can do with specific
reference to 
Access.


Thanks

Martin

From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed May 14 14:22:27 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 14:22:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Apple WebObjects
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C28@main2.marlow.com>

Quote from that add:

Provides a powerful integrated development environment

Like 'Weak separated nightmare' is going to sell!  Why is that completely
ambiguous statement the top feature?  Arg, I hate marketers!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 2:04 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Apple WebObjects


Hi all

Just noticed this which seems to have been around for a while:

  http://www.apple.com/webobjects/

Anyone familiar with this?

Unfortunately the demo version is for Mac only ...

/gustav

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From mastercafe at ctv.es  Wed May 14 14:28:10 2003
From: mastercafe at ctv.es (MastercafeCTV)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 21:28:10 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Apple WebObjects
In-Reply-To: <11743508261.20030514210353@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <NGBBKBPDGLCOPAJHKICCIEDNEFAA.mastercafe@ctv.es>

Actually you can obtain better solutions on PC for servers, hosts and
similar. Including that Linux is the best solution in internet world (in
security and estability)

Juan

-----Mensaje original-----
De: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]En nombre de Gustav Brock
Enviado el: mi?rcoles, 14 de mayo de 2003 21:04
Para: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Asunto: [AccessD] OT: Apple WebObjects


Hi all

Just noticed this which seems to have been around for a while:

  http://www.apple.com/webobjects/

Anyone familiar with this?

Unfortunately the demo version is for Mac only ...

/gustav

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed May 14 14:35:56 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 21:35:56 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Apple WebObjects
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C28@main2.marlow.com>
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C28@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <4845430675.20030514213556@cactus.dk>

Hi Drew

Ahh, I dropped that and quickly located a very good introduction for
people like us:

  http://www.apple.com/webobjects/getting_started.html

and then

  Retrieve Documentation

where you top center find the link to WebObjects overview:

http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/webobjects/WebObjects_Overview/index.html

/gustav


> Quote from that add:

> Provides a powerful integrated development environment

> Like 'Weak separated nightmare' is going to sell!  Why is that completely
> ambiguous statement the top feature?  Arg, I hate marketers!

> Drew

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 2:04 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Apple WebObjects


> Hi all

> Just noticed this which seems to have been around for a while:

>   http://www.apple.com/webobjects/

> Anyone familiar with this?

> Unfortunately the demo version is for Mac only ...


From MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com  Wed May 14 15:07:00 2003
From: MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com (Mark Boyd)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 16:07:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro
Message-ID: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D7757@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>

I've noticed that Visual Studio.net has been a topic of discussion on
this list recently.

I'm just beginning to dive into it, and am curious if anyone can
recommend a good place to start learning.

Is there a preferred book or website that demonstrates how to create a
simple .net application?  I am looking into asp.net, as I want to start
developing web applications that connect to SQL2K.

Any direction is greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks,

Mark Boyd

Sr. Systems Analyst

McBee Associates, Inc.

 

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May 14 15:13:38 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:13:38 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F60@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Are you talking about 2002 or 2003?  There is Office XP Developer, if
that's what you mean.  I don't see very much that is Access-specific in
it except the Packaging Wizard, which gives you the runtime license. The
Code Librarian for XP isn't Access-specific and doesn't even show up as
an add-in, since it is a stand-alone executable app.  The packaging
wizard also includes the SQL Server Data Engine files (gosh, I wish they
would standardize the name of that thing!)

The "Access productivity tools" are Replication Manager and and VSS,
both of which were included in the 2000 ODE, and VSS isn't remotely
Access-specific.  The Software Developer Kits include the HTML Help SDK
and the Smart Tags SDK are not Access-specific and the Workflow
developer tools only apply if you have installed Exchange Server or if
you installed SQL Server on a server.  They don't work on a stand-alone
machine unless you're running a Server OS, and Workflow Services for SQL
Server requires IIS and Front Page Server Extensions.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
[mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 10:51 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit


Could someone give me a quick run down of the features available with
the 
Office 2002 Developers kit.

Nothing in detail mainly a list of what it can do with specific
reference to 
Access.


Thanks

Martin
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From Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK  Wed May 14 15:08:52 2003
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK (Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 21:08:52 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit
In-Reply-To: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357FE@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
References: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357FE@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <1052942932.3ec2a254b4000@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

Thanks Charles. Is that ALL it does? I havnt used it at all.

Martin


Quoting "Wortz, Charles" <CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>:

> Martin,
> 
> It gives you the ability to create run-time Access executables and the
> license to distribute them.
> 
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
> [mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK] 
> Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 14 13:51
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit
> 
> Could someone give me a quick run down of the features available with
> the 
> Office 2002 Developers kit.
> 
> Nothing in detail mainly a list of what it can do with specific
> reference to 
> Access.
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Martin
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 

From Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK  Wed May 14 15:18:00 2003
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK (Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 21:18:00 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro
In-Reply-To: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D7757@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>
References: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D7757@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>
Message-ID: <1052943480.3ec2a47861903@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

Good book

VB .NET Database Programing by Sybex (I was the technical editor so am biased) 
any of the .net books by Apress (www.apress.com) I would recomment as well.


Martin



Quoting Mark Boyd <MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com>:

> I've noticed that Visual Studio.net has been a topic of discussion on
> this list recently.
> 
> I'm just beginning to dive into it, and am curious if anyone can
> recommend a good place to start learning.
> 
> Is there a preferred book or website that demonstrates how to create a
> simple .net application?  I am looking into asp.net, as I want to
> start
> developing web applications that connect to SQL2K.
> 
> Any direction is greatly appreciated.
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mark Boyd
> 
> Sr. Systems Analyst
> 
> McBee Associates, Inc.
> 
>  
> 
> 

From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Wed May 14 15:25:33 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 15:25:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357FF@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Martin,

By now you should have received Charlotte's response and seen that
run-time executables are about all in the ODEs that are Access related.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
[mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK] 
Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 14 15:09
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit

Thanks Charles. Is that ALL it does? I havnt used it at all.

Martin


Quoting "Wortz, Charles" <CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>:

> Martin,
> 
> It gives you the ability to create run-time Access executables and the

> license to distribute them.
> 
> Charles Wortz
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK 
> [mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK]
> Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 14 13:51
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit
> 
> Could someone give me a quick run down of the features available with 
> the Office 2002 Developers kit.
> 
> Nothing in detail mainly a list of what it can do with specific 
> reference to Access.
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Martin

From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed May 14 15:33:05 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 15:33:05 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit
In-Reply-To: <1052938263.3ec290174318f@hosea.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <002201c31a58$08d1fe90$de1811d8@DanWaters>

Martin,

You get a license to distribute run-time versions of an access application
without royalties.  

In addition, you get the tools you need to develop an ADP using SQL Server
without having to buy SQL Server.  MSDE 2000 is part of what you get, along
with Enterprise Manager (EM), and I believe other SQL tools as well.  MSDE
is almost identical to SQL Server except that with more than 5 concurrent
users the performance slows down.  You do get the ability to distribute
copies of MSDE 2000 with your front-end to a client with no royalties.
However, I read that you can distribute EM with MSDE, and I've also read
that you can't.  I have read that EM greatly helps manage a SQL backend.

You also get Workflow Designer for SQL Server, and Workflow Designer for
Exchange 2000 Server, and you get Code Librarian.

You also get a copy of Visual SourceSafe. 

You also get MS FrontPage.

AND -- you get the book Microsoft Office XP Developer's Guide!   ;-)

HTH,
Dan Waters



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 12:51 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit


Could someone give me a quick run down of the features available with the
Office 2002 Developers kit.

Nothing in detail mainly a list of what it can do with specific reference to
Access.


Thanks

Martin
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From Philippe.Pons19 at wanadoo.fr  Thu May 15 00:38:49 2003
From: Philippe.Pons19 at wanadoo.fr (Philippe Pons)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 22:38:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro
References: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D7757@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>
Message-ID: <002d01c31aa4$4a9a97f0$2a623151@linceo>

Regarding asp.net, try http://europe.webmatrixhosting.net/ where you can get free hosting on a sql server, as well as a free tool to develop web sites with asp.net, plus forums, plus a free web server for testing, etc... worth a look!
Philippe.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mark Boyd 
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 1:07 PM
  Subject: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro


  I've noticed that Visual Studio.net has been a topic of discussion on this list recently.

  I'm just beginning to dive into it, and am curious if anyone can recommend a good place to start learning.

  Is there a preferred book or website that demonstrates how to create a simple .net application?  I am looking into asp.net, as I want to start developing web applications that connect to SQL2K.

  Any direction is greatly appreciated.



  Thanks,

  Mark Boyd

  Sr. Systems Analyst

  McBee Associates, Inc.





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From Philippe.Pons19 at wanadoo.fr  Thu May 15 00:44:24 2003
From: Philippe.Pons19 at wanadoo.fr (Philippe Pons)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 22:44:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F60@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <003601c31aa5$10b8fa30$2a623151@linceo>

Also the Enterprise Manager, to interface with sql server(quite powerfull)
and Visual Source Safe to allow and manage several developers on the same
project.
(not Access specific, i know)
Philippe

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 1:13 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit


> Are you talking about 2002 or 2003?  There is Office XP Developer, if
> that's what you mean.  I don't see very much that is Access-specific in
> it except the Packaging Wizard, which gives you the runtime license. The
> Code Librarian for XP isn't Access-specific and doesn't even show up as
> an add-in, since it is a stand-alone executable app.  The packaging
> wizard also includes the SQL Server Data Engine files (gosh, I wish they
> would standardize the name of that thing!)
>
> The "Access productivity tools" are Replication Manager and and VSS,
> both of which were included in the 2000 ODE, and VSS isn't remotely
> Access-specific.  The Software Developer Kits include the HTML Help SDK
> and the Smart Tags SDK are not Access-specific and the Workflow
> developer tools only apply if you have installed Exchange Server or if
> you installed SQL Server on a server.  They don't work on a stand-alone
> machine unless you're running a Server OS, and Workflow Services for SQL
> Server requires IIS and Front Page Server Extensions.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
> [mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 10:51 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit
>
>
> Could someone give me a quick run down of the features available with
> the
> Office 2002 Developers kit.
>
> Nothing in detail mainly a list of what it can do with specific
> reference to
> Access.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Martin
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May 14 15:53:25 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:53:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F62@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Enterprise Manager is part of SQL Server 2000 and I mentioned VSS as
part of the "Access" productivity tools.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Philippe Pons [mailto:Philippe.Pons19 at wanadoo.fr] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 9:44 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit


Also the Enterprise Manager, to interface with sql server(quite
powerfull) and Visual Source Safe to allow and manage several developers
on the same project. (not Access specific, i know) Philippe

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 1:13 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit


> Are you talking about 2002 or 2003?  There is Office XP Developer, if 
> that's what you mean.  I don't see very much that is Access-specific 
> in it except the Packaging Wizard, which gives you the runtime 
> license. The Code Librarian for XP isn't Access-specific and doesn't 
> even show up as an add-in, since it is a stand-alone executable app.  
> The packaging wizard also includes the SQL Server Data Engine files 
> (gosh, I wish they would standardize the name of that thing!)
>
> The "Access productivity tools" are Replication Manager and and VSS, 
> both of which were included in the 2000 ODE, and VSS isn't remotely 
> Access-specific.  The Software Developer Kits include the HTML Help 
> SDK and the Smart Tags SDK are not Access-specific and the Workflow 
> developer tools only apply if you have installed Exchange Server or if

> you installed SQL Server on a server.  They don't work on a 
> stand-alone machine unless you're running a Server OS, and Workflow 
> Services for SQL Server requires IIS and Front Page Server Extensions.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK 
> [mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 10:51 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit
>
>
> Could someone give me a quick run down of the features available with 
> the Office 2002 Developers kit.
>
> Nothing in detail mainly a list of what it can do with specific 
> reference to Access.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Martin
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May 14 15:56:16 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:56:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F63@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Run-time executables?  Do you mean the Access runtime executable,
Charles?   

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 12:26 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit


Martin,

By now you should have received Charlotte's response and seen that
run-time executables are about all in the ODEs that are Access related.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
[mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK] 
Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 14 15:09
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit

Thanks Charles. Is that ALL it does? I havnt used it at all.

Martin


Quoting "Wortz, Charles" <CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>:

> Martin,
> 
> It gives you the ability to create run-time Access executables and the

> license to distribute them.
> 
> Charles Wortz
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
> [mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK]
> Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 14 13:51
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit
> 
> Could someone give me a quick run down of the features available with
> the Office 2002 Developers kit.
> 
> Nothing in detail mainly a list of what it can do with specific
> reference to Access.
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Martin
_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May 14 15:59:40 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:59:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F66@infoserver01.infostat.local>

You get developer edition licenses for SQL Server and Exchange Server
2000 as well.  These are full versions but they're only for development.
You can't distribute them.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
[mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 12:09 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit


Thanks Charles. Is that ALL it does? I havnt used it at all.

Martin


Quoting "Wortz, Charles" <CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>:

> Martin,
> 
> It gives you the ability to create run-time Access executables and the

> license to distribute them.
> 
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK 
> [mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK]
> Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 14 13:51
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit
> 
> Could someone give me a quick run down of the features available with 
> the Office 2002 Developers kit.
> 
> Nothing in detail mainly a list of what it can do with specific 
> reference to Access.
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Martin
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK  Wed May 14 16:05:25 2003
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK (Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 22:05:25 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit
In-Reply-To: <003601c31aa5$10b8fa30$2a623151@linceo>
References: 	<E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F60@infoserver01.infostat.local>
	<003601c31aa5$10b8fa30$2a623151@linceo>
Message-ID: <1052946325.3ec2af95da121@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

Thanks

Martin


Quoting Philippe Pons <Philippe.Pons19 at wanadoo.fr>:

> Also the Enterprise Manager, to interface with sql server(quite
> powerfull)
> and Visual Source Safe to allow and manage several developers on the
> same
> project.
> (not Access specific, i know)
> Philippe
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 1:13 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit
> 
> 
> > Are you talking about 2002 or 2003?  There is Office XP Developer,
> if
> > that's what you mean.  I don't see very much that is Access-specific
> in
> > it except the Packaging Wizard, which gives you the runtime license.
> The
> > Code Librarian for XP isn't Access-specific and doesn't even show up
> as
> > an add-in, since it is a stand-alone executable app.  The packaging
> > wizard also includes the SQL Server Data Engine files (gosh, I wish
> they
> > would standardize the name of that thing!)
> >
> > The "Access productivity tools" are Replication Manager and and VSS,
> > both of which were included in the 2000 ODE, and VSS isn't remotely
> > Access-specific.  The Software Developer Kits include the HTML Help
> SDK
> > and the Smart Tags SDK are not Access-specific and the Workflow
> > developer tools only apply if you have installed Exchange Server or
> if
> > you installed SQL Server on a server.  They don't work on a
> stand-alone
> > machine unless you're running a Server OS, and Workflow Services for
> SQL
> > Server requires IIS and Front Page Server Extensions.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
> > [mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 10:51 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit
> >
> >
> > Could someone give me a quick run down of the features available
> with
> > the
> > Office 2002 Developers kit.
> >
> > Nothing in detail mainly a list of what it can do with specific
> > reference to
> > Access.
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Martin
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 

From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed May 14 16:32:38 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 16:32:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Automated Test Software
Message-ID: <003101c31a60$5a951c50$de1811d8@DanWaters>

Hello to all!

I've been wondering about automated test software (ATS).  I work
independently, and am normally able to test well enough to ferret out the
usual bugs.  But sometimes an unusual combination of events occurs, and I
get a call for help.

For an independent person developer, is there a value in getting ATS?  I
don't know what it costs.  I currently develop only with Access, but plan to
begin developing ADP's in a client-server environment pretty soon.

Any thoughts from anyone?

Thanks,
Dan Waters
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed May 14 17:07:02 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 15:07:02 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit
References:  <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F60@infoserver01.infostat.local>
 <003601c31aa5$10b8fa30$2a623151@linceo>
Message-ID: <3EC2BE06.9030500@shaw.ca>

Some other obscure ones.

Customizing the SharePoint Portal Server with Office XP Developer

 DigitalDashboard  and ODE but I think the digital dashboard has 
disappeared or is about too.

 Not sure if you still need license to distribute ActiveX Controls in 
the Office Developer Edition, did in 97.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dno97ta/html/msdn_ode2.asp

The ODE ActiveX Controls
CommonDialog Control
ImageList Control
InternetTransfer Control
ListView Control
ProgressBar Control
RichTextBox Control
Slider Control
StatusBar Control
TabStrip Control
Toolbar Control
TreeView Control
UpDown Control
Winsock Control


>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
>>[mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK]
>>Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 10:51 AM
>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>Subject: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit
>>
>>
>>Could someone give me a quick run down of the features available with
>>the
>>Office 2002 Developers kit.
>>
>>Nothing in detail mainly a list of what it can do with specific
>>reference to
>>Access.
>>
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Martin
>>
>>    
>>



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May 14 17:19:22 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 15:19:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F68@infoserver01.infostat.local>

>>Not sure if you still need license to distribute ActiveX Controls in 
the Office Developer Edition, did in 97.

As far as I know, you still do if you're distributing them using the
packaging wizard.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: MartyConnelly [mailto:martyconnelly at shaw.ca] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 2:07 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit


Some other obscure ones.

Customizing the SharePoint Portal Server with Office XP Developer

 DigitalDashboard  and ODE but I think the digital dashboard has 
disappeared or is about too.

 Not sure if you still need license to distribute ActiveX Controls in 
the Office Developer Edition, did in 97.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dno97ta
/html/msdn_ode2.asp

The ODE ActiveX Controls
CommonDialog Control
ImageList Control
InternetTransfer Control
ListView Control
ProgressBar Control
RichTextBox Control
Slider Control
StatusBar Control
TabStrip Control
Toolbar Control
TreeView Control
UpDown Control
Winsock Control


>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK 
>>[mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK]
>>Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 10:51 AM
>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>Subject: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit
>>
>>
>>Could someone give me a quick run down of the features available with 
>>the Office 2002 Developers kit.
>>
>>Nothing in detail mainly a list of what it can do with specific 
>>reference to Access.
>>
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Martin
>>
>>    
>>


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed May 14 17:43:13 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 08:43:13 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...
In-Reply-To: <Sea2-F10xsFBUx3zvPh000313b1@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3EC35321.30769.D353A@localhost>

On 14 May 2003 at 8:30, Henry Simpson wrote:

> Curious that in Access 97, and I'll assume subsequent versions as
> well, a yes/no field stores 2 bytes for each entry.  Using a numeric
> value like a byte requires half the storage and gives you 8 states
> that equate to 8 two state fields or 4 four state fields or whatever
> other combination of 8 bits you devise, plus null.  I've never
> understood why the yes/no field requires two bytes and use bytes for
> boolean fields for the increased flexibility.  Form logic doesn't seem
> to require any change if you simply use one byte field for each field
> requiring a boolean display.
> 

It's for speed/simplicity versus storage requirements.

A 32 bit (long) data type is the quickest and easiest to 
retrieve/mainipuate/store in a 32 bit OS.

If you used a single bit to store a yes/no field, it would reduce the 
storage requirement, but think about how you would then have to 
store/locate/ index etc that particualr bit. It would make it a very 
slow datatype to use in comparison.

If you only have a single Yes/No field in the table, what are you 
going to do with the other 7 bits in the byte anyway - so you might 
as well just store it as a whole byte. Once you take that step, you 
might as well use a long for speed rather than a byte (You don't use 
single byte Integer variables do you <g>)







-- 
Lexacorp Ltd
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From dmhartr at sandia.gov  Wed May 14 21:06:55 2003
From: dmhartr at sandia.gov (Hartranft, Dwayne)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 20:06:55 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] access database needs repair
Message-ID: <03781128C7B74B4DBC27C55859C9D738B7D5D7@es06snlnt.sandia.gov>

Hi all,

I am in dire need of some advice.

I had a client that ended up with a corrupted database.

The power went off to the computer while a database was open.  Now when I
try to open it, it says that it needs to repair the file.  When I try to
repair it, I get the message that the file is not a recognized database
format.  It is in Access 2000

Any suggestions?  Restoring from a backup is not an option since the client
did not do any.

Thanks in advance for any ideas.

Dwayne Hartranft


From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Wed May 14 21:31:23 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 22:31:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] access database needs repair
References: <03781128C7B74B4DBC27C55859C9D738B7D5D7@es06snlnt.sandia.gov>
Message-ID: <000801c31a8a$19db7e50$6401a8c0@default>

Hi Dwayne,

You may not have necessarily indicated your level of expertise,
so I am just going to pose a few questions:

Did you check for and delete the locking .LDB file that opens
with the mdb?

If so, did you try importing objects from your mdb using a new mdb?
Or, perhaps, using Excel, try to import the data?

Have you tried JetComp? See http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?
scid=http://support.microsoft.com:80/support/kb/articles/
Q239/1/14.ASP&NoWebContent=1

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hartranft, Dwayne" <dmhartr at sandia.gov>
To: <accessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: <dwayne at tmssusa.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 10:06 PM
Subject: [AccessD] access database needs repair


> Hi all,
>
> I am in dire need of some advice.
>
> I had a client that ended up with a corrupted database.
>
> The power went off to the computer while a database was open.  Now when I
> try to open it, it says that it needs to repair the file.  When I try to
> repair it, I get the message that the file is not a recognized database
> format.  It is in Access 2000
>
> Any suggestions?  Restoring from a backup is not an option since the
client
> did not do any.
>
> Thanks in advance for any ideas.
>
> Dwayne Hartranft
>
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu May 15 01:39:00 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 07:39:00 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] access database needs repair
In-Reply-To: <000801c31a8a$19db7e50$6401a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <001101c31aac$abac51c0$b274d0d5@andypc>

And I'll add, did you try decompiling? That's opening Access with a
/decompile switch then opening your MDB and letting Access decompile it.
You didn't indicate whether it?s a FrontEnd or Backend either. Would
help people give advice.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Michael R Mattys
> Sent: 15 May 2003 03:31
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] access database needs repair
> 
> 
> Hi Dwayne,
> 
> You may not have necessarily indicated your level of 
> expertise, so I am just going to pose a few questions:
> 
> Did you check for and delete the locking .LDB file that opens 
> with the mdb?
> 
> If so, did you try importing objects from your mdb using a 
> new mdb? Or, perhaps, using Excel, try to import the data?
> 
> Have you tried JetComp? See http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?
> scid=http://support.microsoft.com:80/support/kb/articles/
> Q239/1/14.ASP&NoWebContent=1
> 
> Michael R. Mattys
> www.mattysconsulting.com
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hartranft, Dwayne" <dmhartr at sandia.gov>
> To: <accessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Cc: <dwayne at tmssusa.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 10:06 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] access database needs repair
> 
> 
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I am in dire need of some advice.
> >
> > I had a client that ended up with a corrupted database.
> >
> > The power went off to the computer while a database was open.  Now 
> > when I try to open it, it says that it needs to repair the 
> file.  When 
> > I try to repair it, I get the message that the file is not a 
> > recognized database format.  It is in Access 2000
> >
> > Any suggestions?  Restoring from a backup is not an option since the
> client
> > did not do any.
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any ideas.
> >
> > Dwayne Hartranft
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> Website: 
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


From COUTTSW at rjrt.com  Thu May 15 06:45:21 2003
From: COUTTSW at rjrt.com (Coutts, Welford L.)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 07:45:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro
Message-ID: <1731B69D9D03DB49881574BBECDE6CAC071F73@wsmailp1.rjr.com>

Mark,
If you're starting with a background of Access/VBA/VB, as I am, you might take a look at    
"Programming Microsoft Visual Basic .NET for Microsoft Access Databases".
I just received it on Monday, and so far It is looking like what I need.  I had it shipped from
bookpool.com for $36.50 + shipping (lists for $59.99).  It is published by Microsoft Press 
and it's author is Rick Dobson.  ( ISBN 0-7356-1819-4 )
 
HTH
Welford Coutts

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Boyd [mailto:MarkBoyd at mcbeeassociates.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 4:07 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro



I've noticed that Visual Studio.net has been a topic of discussion on this list recently.

I'm just beginning to dive into it, and am curious if anyone can recommend a good place to start learning.

Is there a preferred book or website that demonstrates how to create a simple .net application?  I am looking into asp.net, as I
want to start developing web applications that connect to SQL2K.

Any direction is greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks,

Mark Boyd

Sr. Systems Analyst

McBee Associates, Inc.

 




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From COUTTSW at rjrt.com  Thu May 15 06:54:45 2003
From: COUTTSW at rjrt.com (Coutts, Welford L.)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 07:54:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro
Message-ID: <1731B69D9D03DB49881574BBECDE6CAC675C44@wsmailp1.rjr.com>

Mark,

If you're starting with a background of Access/VBA/VB, as I am, you might take a look at 

"Programming Microsoft Visual Basic .NET for Microsoft Access Databases".

I just received it on Monday, and so far It is looking like what I need. I had it shipped from

bookpool.com for $36.50 + shipping (lists for $59.99). It is published by Microsoft Press 

and it's author is Rick Dobson. ( ISBN 0-7356-1819-4 )

HTH

Welford Coutts

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Boyd [mailto:MarkBoyd at mcbeeassociates.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 4:07 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro



I've noticed that Visual Studio.net has been a topic of discussion on this list recently.

I'm just beginning to dive into it, and am curious if anyone can recommend a good place to start learning.

Is there a preferred book or website that demonstrates how to create a simple .net application?  I am looking into asp.net, as I
want to start developing web applications that connect to SQL2K.

Any direction is greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks,

Mark Boyd

Sr. Systems Analyst

McBee Associates, Inc.

 




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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Thu May 15 07:32:53 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 07:32:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Numbering Different Criteria
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2DF1A3@exchange.pgdp>

I need to set up a way to assign sequential numbers based on different
criteria.
 
The first part of the number is a document number, it can be either AB1234
or CD6789, the next part is for the Engineering section (C for Civil,
M-Mechanical, E-Electrical). So the numbering scheme would be:
 
AB1234-C001 (tracking number - section, sequential number)
AB1234-C002
AB1234-M001
CD6789-E001
CD6789-E002
CD6789-M001
 
The numbers also contain revisions and change letters. If I want the next
Civil number for document tracking number AB1234, it would be:
 
AB1234-C003, Rev 0, Ch 0 (document number - section, sequential number,
revision, change)
then AB1234-C003, Rev 0, Ch A
or AB1234-C003, Rev 1, Ch 0
AB1234-C003, Rev 1, Ch A
 
I thought if I could have the form select the tracking number & the section,
I could use a query to designate what the next sequential number would be
based on the tracking number & the section. Then I couldn't get the two
different criteria to work together. 
 
   ' Find the record that matches the control.
    Me.RecordsetClone.FindFirst "[DocID] = '" & Me![cboDocNum] & " AND
[Section] = " & Me![cboDocNum] & "'"
 
Now I got to wondering how I would handle the Revision & Change Letter. Any
ideas how I can put all this together?
 
Virginia

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu May 15 07:43:31 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 14:43:31 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Numbering Different Criteria
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2DF1A3@exchange.pgdp>
References: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2DF1A3@exchange.pgdp>
Message-ID: <11123798951.20030515144331@cactus.dk>

Hi Virginia

You don't mention what happens when Rev exceeds 9 or Ch exceeds Z.
Or sequential no. exceeds 999 (even if this will "never" happen).

/gustav


> I need to set up a way to assign sequential numbers based on different
> criteria.
 
> The first part of the number is a document number, it can be either AB1234
> or CD6789, the next part is for the Engineering section (C for Civil,
> M-Mechanical, E-Electrical). So the numbering scheme would be:
 
> AB1234-C001 (tracking number - section, sequential number)
> AB1234-C002
> AB1234-M001
> CD6789-E001
> CD6789-E002
> CD6789-M001
 
> The numbers also contain revisions and change letters. If I want the next
> Civil number for document tracking number AB1234, it would be:
 
> AB1234-C003, Rev 0, Ch 0 (document number - section, sequential number,
> revision, change)
> then AB1234-C003, Rev 0, Ch A
> or AB1234-C003, Rev 1, Ch 0
> AB1234-C003, Rev 1, Ch A
 
> I thought if I could have the form select the tracking number & the section,
> I could use a query to designate what the next sequential number would be
> based on the tracking number & the section. Then I couldn't get the two
> different criteria to work together. 
 
>    ' Find the record that matches the control.
>     Me.RecordsetClone.FindFirst "[DocID] = '" & Me![cboDocNum] & " AND
> [Section] = " & Me![cboDocNum] & "'"
 
> Now I got to wondering how I would handle the Revision & Change Letter. Any
> ideas how I can put all this together?
 
> Virginia


From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Thu May 15 07:48:10 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 07:48:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Numbering Different Criteria
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F8780A@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Virginia,
 
Make life easier for yourself and keep each of these items individual
fields.  The arithmetic is easier done on strictly numeric fields.  You
can concatenate them together when you need to display them.
 
I have a customer I could kill because they came to me AFTER printing a
million new forms and asking me to adjust the database to accept the new
serial numbers on the forms.  Of course the new serial numbers do not
fall into either proper numeric or alphabetic sorting sequence with the
old serial numbers.  So I am having to do some of the same things you
are wanting to do.
 

Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com] 
Sent: Thursday 2003 May 15 07:33
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Numbering Different Criteria


I need to set up a way to assign sequential numbers based on different
criteria.
 
The first part of the number is a document number, it can be either
AB1234 or CD6789, the next part is for the Engineering section (C for
Civil, M-Mechanical, E-Electrical). So the numbering scheme would be:
 
AB1234-C001 (tracking number - section, sequential number)
AB1234-C002
AB1234-M001
CD6789-E001
CD6789-E002
CD6789-M001
 
The numbers also contain revisions and change letters. If I want the
next Civil number for document tracking number AB1234, it would be:
 
AB1234-C003, Rev 0, Ch 0 (document number - section, sequential number,
revision, change)
then AB1234-C003, Rev 0, Ch A
or AB1234-C003, Rev 1, Ch 0
AB1234-C003, Rev 1, Ch A
 
I thought if I could have the form select the tracking number & the
section, I could use a query to designate what the next sequential
number would be based on the tracking number & the section. Then I
couldn't get the two different criteria to work together. 
 
   ' Find the record that matches the control.
    Me.RecordsetClone.FindFirst "[DocID] = '" & Me![cboDocNum] & " AND
[Section] = " & Me![cboDocNum] & "'"
 
Now I got to wondering how I would handle the Revision & Change Letter.
Any ideas how I can put all this together?
 
Virginia

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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Thu May 15 08:01:58 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 14:01:58 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse pointer
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C831880395696F@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Does anyone know how to set a custom mouse pointer? I want to use the mouse
to indicate a drill-down field and none of the mouse settings listed in the
VB help file (normal, hourglass, insert, resize) are suitable.

TIA

Roz
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu May 15 08:12:52 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 09:12:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Numbering Different Criteria
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2DF1A3@exchange.pgdp>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEDKDMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Virginia,

What you are describing are simply properties of a document, and as such
need their own field in the document table.  Once you have done that any of
the various pieces can be adjusted independently of any other.  Do NOT try
to deal with this as a single entity.  Assign the pieces, then pull the
pieces out and append them all together in a formatted string for the
"document number".

As far as answering the question "what is the next number in the sequence"
you need an algorithm to discuss how the pieces "roll over" into the next
field.

With no intimate knowledge of the numbering scheme, I would guess the first
two characters mean something, i.e. AB has a meaning, CD has a meaning etc.
Next the numeric portion.  Of course you have defined the single character
in the middle and everything after that.  Completely breaking it down at
least allows you to go to the people who thought up this scheme and discuss
this thing a piece at a time.  Get inside that pea brain and you will be
trapped... uh... be able to figure out where to go next.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com
  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Hollis,Virginia
  Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 8:33 AM
  To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
  Subject: [AccessD] Numbering Different Criteria


  I need to set up a way to assign sequential numbers based on different
criteria.

  The first part of the number is a document number, it can be either AB1234
or CD6789, the next part is for the Engineering section (C for Civil,
M-Mechanical, E-Electrical). So the numbering scheme would be:

  AB1234-C001 (tracking number - section, sequential number)
  AB1234-C002
  AB1234-M001
  CD6789-E001
  CD6789-E002
  CD6789-M001

  The numbers also contain revisions and change letters. If I want the next
Civil number for document tracking number AB1234, it would be:

  AB1234-C003, Rev 0, Ch 0 (document number - section, sequential number,
revision, change)
  then AB1234-C003, Rev 0, Ch A
  or AB1234-C003, Rev 1, Ch 0
  AB1234-C003, Rev 1, Ch A

  I thought if I could have the form select the tracking number & the
section, I could use a query to designate what the next sequential number
would be based on the tracking number & the section. Then I couldn't get the
two different criteria to work together.

     ' Find the record that matches the control.
      Me.RecordsetClone.FindFirst "[DocID] = '" & Me![cboDocNum] & " AND
[Section] = " & Me![cboDocNum] & "'"

  Now I got to wondering how I would handle the Revision & Change Letter.
Any ideas how I can put all this together?

  Virginia
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From mastercafe at ctv.es  Thu May 15 08:13:57 2003
From: mastercafe at ctv.es (MastercafeCTV)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 15:13:57 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Numbering Different Criteria
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2DF1A3@exchange.pgdp>
Message-ID: <NGBBKBPDGLCOPAJHKICCIEEJEFAA.mastercafe@ctv.es>

We recommend to separate the main code like:

XXNNNN the fisrt part like Alphanumeric Field with 6 positions
X        only 1 position to identificate Engineering Section
NNN     three digits from and integer value converted to String with filled
0 on the left
NN        revision number
NN        Change number

With this in the future you couldn't have any problems making changes on the
main database or making any query you obtain a very adaptable query.

Good luck

Juan
Mastercafe
  -----Mensaje original-----
  De: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]En nombre de Hollis,Virginia
  Enviado el: jueves, 15 de mayo de 2003 14:33
  Para: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
  Asunto: [AccessD] Numbering Different Criteria


  I need to set up a way to assign sequential numbers based on different
criteria.

  The first part of the number is a document number, it can be either AB1234
or CD6789, the next part is for the Engineering section (C for Civil,
M-Mechanical, E-Electrical). So the numbering scheme would be:

  AB1234-C001 (tracking number - section, sequential number)
  AB1234-C002
  AB1234-M001
  CD6789-E001
  CD6789-E002
  CD6789-M001

  The numbers also contain revisions and change letters. If I want the next
Civil number for document tracking number AB1234, it would be:

  AB1234-C003, Rev 0, Ch 0 (document number - section, sequential number,
revision, change)
  then AB1234-C003, Rev 0, Ch A
  or AB1234-C003, Rev 1, Ch 0
  AB1234-C003, Rev 1, Ch A

  I thought if I could have the form select the tracking number & the
section, I could use a query to designate what the next sequential number
would be based on the tracking number & the section. Then I couldn't get the
two different criteria to work together.

     ' Find the record that matches the control.
      Me.RecordsetClone.FindFirst "[DocID] = '" & Me![cboDocNum] & " AND
[Section] = " & Me![cboDocNum] & "'"

  Now I got to wondering how I would handle the Revision & Change Letter.
Any ideas how I can put all this together?

  Virginia
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From mastercafe at ctv.es  Thu May 15 08:24:07 2003
From: mastercafe at ctv.es (MastercafeCTV)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 15:24:07 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse pointer
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C831880395696F@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <NGBBKBPDGLCOPAJHKICCOEEJEFAA.mastercafe@ctv.es>

Mouse pointerCheck http://www.mvps.org/access/index.html you can see some
samples and its application have the main cursor setting. I recommend you
download and check the sample.

Regards

Juan
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  De: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]En nombre de Roz Clarke
  Enviado el: jueves, 15 de mayo de 2003 15:02
  Para: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
  Asunto: [AccessD] Mouse pointer


  Does anyone know how to set a custom mouse pointer? I want to use the
mouse to indicate a drill-down field and none of the mouse settings listed
in the VB help file (normal, hourglass, insert, resize) are suitable.

  TIA

  Roz
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Thu May 15 08:25:53 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 09:25:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse pointer
References: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C831880395696F@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <01ab01c31ae5$82a99290$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

Roz

http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0044.htm

...api routine to use any custom pointer/cursor you want ...HTH :)

William Hindman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 9:01 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse pointer


> Does anyone know how to set a custom mouse pointer? I want to use the
mouse
> to indicate a drill-down field and none of the mouse settings listed in
the
> VB help file (normal, hourglass, insert, resize) are suitable.
>
> TIA
>
> Roz
>


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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Thu May 15 08:26:00 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 08:26:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro
In-Reply-To: <1731B69D9D03DB49881574BBECDE6CAC071F73@wsmailp1.rjr.com>
Message-ID: <000001c31ae5$88df89d0$de1811d8@DanWaters>

Welford,
 
This sounded very interesting so I looked at the reader comments on Amazon.
Two were very positive, two were very negative, and one was from the author
himself.  So, by reading those comments, I am confused by what the book
offers.
 
Once you've had a chance to get into this book thoroughly, could you post a
'Book Report' for everyone on the list?  
 
Thanks!
Dan Waters
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Coutts, Welford
L.
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 5:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro


Mark,
If you're starting with a background of Access/VBA/VB, as I am, you might
take a look at    
"Programming Microsoft Visual Basic .NET for Microsoft Access Databases".
I just received it on Monday, and so far It is looking like what I need.  I
had it shipped from
bookpool.com for $36.50 + shipping (lists for $59.99).  It is published by
Microsoft Press 
and it's author is Rick Dobson.  ( ISBN 0-7356-1819-4 )
 
HTH
Welford Coutts

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Boyd [mailto:MarkBoyd at mcbeeassociates.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 4:07 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro



I've noticed that Visual Studio.net has been a topic of discussion on this
list recently.

I'm just beginning to dive into it, and am curious if anyone can recommend a
good place to start learning.

Is there a preferred book or website that demonstrates how to create a
simple .net application?  I am looking into asp.net, as I want to start
developing web applications that connect to SQL2K.

Any direction is greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks,

Mark Boyd

Sr. Systems Analyst

McBee Associates, Inc.

 



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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Thu May 15 08:40:50 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 14:40:50 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse pointer
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956970@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Thank you :)

-----Original Message-----
From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net] 
Sent: 15 May 2003 14:26
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Mouse pointer


Roz

http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0044.htm

...api routine to use any custom pointer/cursor you want ...HTH :)

William Hindman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 9:01 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse pointer


> Does anyone know how to set a custom mouse pointer? I want to use the
mouse
> to indicate a drill-down field and none of the mouse settings listed 
> in
the
> VB help file (normal, hourglass, insert, resize) are suitable.
>
> TIA
>
> Roz
>


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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Thu May 15 08:40:55 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 08:40:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Numbering Different Criteria
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2DF1A5@exchange.pgdp>

The numbering scheme has been used for awhile now & kept in a paper log
(ooohh). We need to keep the same numbering for history and searching for
documents.
 
Anyway, how do you create a form that will look at the last sequence of
numbers and assign the next number based on all the combinations, Document
Number, Section, Revision, & Change?
 
What I was thinking - from a dropdown list use the document number to filter
for only the numbers for documents (AB1234). I was not able to concatenate
the document number & the section & still filter the records for only Civil
(AB1234-C). I tried the below code (didn't work)
 
' Find the record that matches the control.
    Me.RecordsetClone.FindFirst "[DocNo] = '" & Me![cboDocNum] & " AND
[Section] = " & Me![cboDocNum] & "'"
 
How do I have it determine what the last (or the next) revision & change
letter is for the Civil document AB1234?
 
Virginia
 

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 8:13 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Numbering Different Criteria


Virginia,
 
What you are describing are simply properties of a document, and as such
need their own field in the document table.  Once you have done that any of
the various pieces can be adjusted independently of any other.  Do NOT try
to deal with this as a single entity.  Assign the pieces, then pull the
pieces out and append them all together in a formatted string for the
"document number".
 
As far as answering the question "what is the next number in the sequence"
you need an algorithm to discuss how the pieces "roll over" into the next
field.
 
With no intimate knowledge of the numbering scheme, I would guess the first
two characters mean something, i.e. AB has a meaning, CD has a meaning etc.
Next the numeric portion.  Of course you have defined the single character
in the middle and everything after that.  Completely breaking it down at
least allows you to go to the people who thought up this scheme and discuss
this thing a piece at a time.  Get inside that pea brain and you will be
trapped... uh... be able to figure out where to go next.
 
John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Hollis,Virginia
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 8:33 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Numbering Different Criteria


I need to set up a way to assign sequential numbers based on different
criteria.
 
The first part of the number is a document number, it can be either AB1234
or CD6789, the next part is for the Engineering section (C for Civil,
M-Mechanical, E-Electrical). So the numbering scheme would be:
 
AB1234-C001 (tracking number - section, sequential number)
AB1234-C002
AB1234-M001
CD6789-E001
CD6789-E002
CD6789-M001
 
The numbers also contain revisions and change letters. If I want the next
Civil number for document tracking number AB1234, it would be:
 
AB1234-C003, Rev 0, Ch 0 (document number - section, sequential number,
revision, change)
then AB1234-C003, Rev 0, Ch A
or AB1234-C003, Rev 1, Ch 0
AB1234-C003, Rev 1, Ch A
 
I thought if I could have the form select the tracking number & the section,
I could use a query to designate what the next sequential number would be
based on the tracking number & the section. Then I couldn't get the two
different criteria to work together. 
 
   ' Find the record that matches the control.
    Me.RecordsetClone.FindFirst "[DocID] = '" & Me![cboDocNum] & " AND
[Section] = " & Me![cboDocNum] & "'"
 
Now I got to wondering how I would handle the Revision & Change Letter. Any
ideas how I can put all this together?
 
Virginia


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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Thu May 15 09:10:33 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 15:10:33 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse pointer
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956972@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

OK I have inserted the sample code into a module and tried to change the
mouse pointer using one of the constants. Nothing happens. Stepping through
the code 
 
Public Const IDC_CROSS = 32515&
 
Declare Function LoadCursorBynum Lib "user32" Alias "LoadCursorA" _
  (ByVal hInstance As Long, ByVal lpCursorName As Long) As Long

Declare Function SetCursor Lib "user32" _
  (ByVal hCursor As Long) As Long

Function MouseCursor(CursorType As Long)
  Dim lngRet As Long
  lngRet = LoadCursorBynum(0&, CursorType)
  lngRet = SetCursor(lngRet)
End Function
 
having called it as so -> MouseCursor(IDC_CROSS), with a watch on lngRet I'm
finding that the value of lngRet = 0 at all times. I'm inept at API to say
the least - what am I missing here?
 
Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: MastercafeCTV [mailto:mastercafe at ctv.es] 
Sent: 15 May 2003 14:24
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse pointer


Check http://www.mvps.org/access/index.html
<http://www.mvps.org/access/index.html>  you can see some samples and its
application have the main cursor setting. I recommend you download and check
the sample.
 
Regards
 
Juan

-----Mensaje original-----
De: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]En nombre de Roz Clarke
Enviado el: jueves, 15 de mayo de 2003 15:02
Para: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Asunto: [AccessD] Mouse pointer



Does anyone know how to set a custom mouse pointer? I want to use the mouse
to indicate a drill-down field and none of the mouse settings listed in the
VB help file (normal, hourglass, insert, resize) are suitable.

TIA 

Roz 

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From Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK  Thu May 15 09:25:05 2003
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK (Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 15:25:05 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro
In-Reply-To: <000001c31ae5$88df89d0$de1811d8@DanWaters>
References: <000001c31ae5$88df89d0$de1811d8@DanWaters>
Message-ID: <1053008705.3ec3a341b71e5@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

Mastering Visual Basic .NET Database Programming
by Evangelos Petroutsos, Asli Bilgin By Sybex

I was a technical editor on this and parts of it where written by Mke 
Gunderloy. I am baised but I liked the book.

I alos like the Apress range of books on .NET Plus if you email me of line I 
can get you a fairly heavy discount from Apress. (Think I left that of the 
last email I sent)

Martin


Quoting Dan Waters <dwaters at usinternet.com>:

> Welford,
>  
> This sounded very interesting so I looked at the reader comments on
> Amazon.
> Two were very positive, two were very negative, and one was from the
> author
> himself.  So, by reading those comments, I am confused by what the
> book
> offers.
>  
> Once you've had a chance to get into this book thoroughly, could you
> post a
> 'Book Report' for everyone on the list?  
>  
> Thanks!
> Dan Waters
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Coutts,
> Welford
> L.
> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 5:45 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro
> 
> 
> Mark,
> If you're starting with a background of Access/VBA/VB, as I am, you
> might
> take a look at    
> "Programming Microsoft Visual Basic .NET for Microsoft Access
> Databases".
> I just received it on Monday, and so far It is looking like what I need.
>  I
> had it shipped from
> bookpool.com for $36.50 + shipping (lists for $59.99).  It is published
> by
> Microsoft Press 
> and it's author is Rick Dobson.  ( ISBN 0-7356-1819-4 )
>  
> HTH
> Welford Coutts
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Boyd [mailto:MarkBoyd at mcbeeassociates.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 4:07 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro
> 
> 
> 
> I've noticed that Visual Studio.net has been a topic of discussion on
> this
> list recently.
> 
> I'm just beginning to dive into it, and am curious if anyone can
> recommend a
> good place to start learning.
> 
> Is there a preferred book or website that demonstrates how to create a
> simple .net application?  I am looking into asp.net, as I want to
> start
> developing web applications that connect to SQL2K.
> 
> Any direction is greatly appreciated.
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mark Boyd
> 
> Sr. Systems Analyst
> 
> McBee Associates, Inc.
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
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From mastercafe at ctv.es  Thu May 15 10:26:53 2003
From: mastercafe at ctv.es (MastercafeCTV)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 17:26:53 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse pointer
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956972@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <NGBBKBPDGLCOPAJHKICCGEEMEFAA.mastercafe@ctv.es>

MessageYou need indicate MOUSE MOVE to send the function that put the new
picture over mouse position
Check the frmMainMenuList and taking one textbox look the mouse Events

Regards

Juan
  -----Mensaje original-----
  De: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]En nombre de Roz Clarke
  Enviado el: jueves, 15 de mayo de 2003 16:11
  Para: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
  Asunto: RE: [AccessD] Mouse pointer


  OK I have inserted the sample code into a module and tried to change the
mouse pointer using one of the constants. Nothing happens. Stepping through
the code

  Public Const IDC_CROSS = 32515&

  Declare Function LoadCursorBynum Lib "user32" Alias "LoadCursorA" _
    (ByVal hInstance As Long, ByVal lpCursorName As Long) As Long

  Declare Function SetCursor Lib "user32" _
    (ByVal hCursor As Long) As Long

  Function MouseCursor(CursorType As Long)
    Dim lngRet As Long
    lngRet = LoadCursorBynum(0&, CursorType)
    lngRet = SetCursor(lngRet)
  End Function

  having called it as so -> MouseCursor(IDC_CROSS), with a watch on lngRet
I'm finding that the value of lngRet = 0 at all times. I'm inept at API to
say the least - what am I missing here?

  Roz
    -----Original Message-----
    From: MastercafeCTV [mailto:mastercafe at ctv.es]
    Sent: 15 May 2003 14:24
    To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
    Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse pointer


    Check http://www.mvps.org/access/index.html you can see some samples and
its application have the main cursor setting. I recommend you download and
check the sample.

    Regards

    Juan
      -----Mensaje original-----
      De: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]En nombre de Roz Clarke
      Enviado el: jueves, 15 de mayo de 2003 15:02
      Para: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
      Asunto: [AccessD] Mouse pointer


      Does anyone know how to set a custom mouse pointer? I want to use the
mouse to indicate a drill-down field and none of the mouse settings listed
in the VB help file (normal, hourglass, insert, resize) are suitable.

      TIA

      Roz
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From hsimpson88 at hotmail.com  Thu May 15 11:22:37 2003
From: hsimpson88 at hotmail.com (Henry Simpson)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 10:22:37 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design
Message-ID: <Sea2-F67ImPiZxOASWT00000d97@hotmail.com>

My response of last night has not showed up so I'll try again:

Speed/simplicity versus storage requiements is given as a reason for using a 
bigger datatype.

If so, why didn't Microsoft make the boolean a four byte datatype?  And when 
we get to 64 bit processors and busses?

The time taken by the processor to mask a byte for use by a 32 bit processor 
compared to the time to transfer a byte from disk to memory is 
insignificant.  The time taken to transfer that same byte over a LAN is many 
orders of magnitude greater.  Now factor in a WAN or a dial up connection 
and the smaller datatype gains significant advantages in speed.  I keep 
hearing that storage is cheap but even so, the data must move from storage 
to processor to memory and back to be used and it is the transit time that 
has the greatest impact on performance.

Assume 100,000 records.
Assume a requirement of 8 yes/no fields.

Case 2 byte Yes/No datatype:  8*2*100,000 = 1,600,000 bytes
Case 1 byte bit field:  1*100,000 = 100,000 bytes

The difference is 1,500,000 bytes and the transit time is enormous compared 
to the processor time required to work with the byte in a 32 bit 
environment.  You lose in simplicity in querying but this can still be 
handled with a bit of skill.

Assume a requirement of 6 yes/no fields and you 'waste' a couple bits

Case 2 byte Yes/No datatype:  6*2*100,000 = 1,200,000 bytes
Case 1 byte bit field:  1*100,000 = 100,000 bytes

Even with wasted bits, the saving is enormous

Assume a requirement of 8 yes/no fields and you use a signed byte vs. the 
two byte boolean datatype.

Case 2 byte Yes/No datatype:  8*2*100,000 = 1,600,000 bytes
Case 1 byte boolean field:  8*100,000 = 800,000 bytes

In this case, you still have better speed due to the overriding impact on 
performance of transfer time plus there is no impact on query complexity.  
This is both simple and faster than a two byte datatype.  In addition, you 
have the benefit of a smaller file (less time to transfer by mail or 
otherwise between remote servers, lower backup requirements) plus you 
benefit from reduced overall network traffic so all users benefit no matter 
what applications they are running.

I think that a smaller datatype is a no brainer on all counts and was merely 
wondering why Microsoft approached the boolean type with No Brain?  Whatever 
their reason, it would appear that a signed byte would handle 0 and -1.

Hen




It's for speed/simplicity versus storage requirements.

A 32 bit (long) data type is the quickest and easiest to
retrieve/mainipuate/store in a 32 bit OS.

If you used a single bit to store a yes/no field, it would reduce the
storage requirement, but think about how you would then have to
store/locate/ index etc that particualr bit. It would make it a very
slow datatype to use in comparison.

If you only have a single Yes/No field in the table, what are you
going to do with the other 7 bits in the byte anyway - so you might
as well just store it as a whole byte. Once you take that step, you
might as well use a long for speed rather than a byte (You don't use
single byte Integer variables do you <g>)

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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Thu May 15 11:23:52 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 12:23:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse pointer
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF4038977DC@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Just did a little experimenting. It seems that the newly loaded mouse cursor
stays in effect only as long as the *code block* that called MouseCursor is
still executing. For example...

Sub testMC()
Dim ts As Single
    MouseCursor (IDC_CROSS)
    ts = Timer
    While Timer - ts < 4
    Wend
End Sub

... the above code will change the cursor and only when the While loop ends
do we see it change back to the default.

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Roz Clarke [SMTP:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
> Sent:	Thursday, May 15, 2003 10:11 AM
> To:	'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Mouse pointer
> 
> OK I have inserted the sample code into a module and tried to change the
> mouse pointer using one of the constants. Nothing happens. Stepping
> through the code 
>  
> Public Const IDC_CROSS = 32515&
>  
> Declare Function LoadCursorBynum Lib "user32" Alias "LoadCursorA" _
>   (ByVal hInstance As Long, ByVal lpCursorName As Long) As Long
> 
> Declare Function SetCursor Lib "user32" _
>   (ByVal hCursor As Long) As Long
> 
> Function MouseCursor(CursorType As Long)
>   Dim lngRet As Long
>   lngRet = LoadCursorBynum(0&, CursorType)
>   lngRet = SetCursor(lngRet)
> End Function
>  
> having called it as so -> MouseCursor(IDC_CROSS), with a watch on lngRet
> I'm finding that the value of lngRet = 0 at all times. I'm inept at API to
> say the least - what am I missing here?
>  
> Roz
> 
> 	-----Original Message-----
> 	From: MastercafeCTV [mailto:mastercafe at ctv.es] 
> 	Sent: 15 May 2003 14:24
> 	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> 	Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse pointer
> 	
> 	
> 	Check <http://www.mvps.org/access/index.html> you can see some
> samples and its application have the main cursor setting. I recommend you
> download and check the sample.
> 	 
> 	Regards
> 	 
> 	Juan
> 
> 		-----Mensaje original-----
> 		De: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]En nombre de Roz Clarke
> 		Enviado el: jueves, 15 de mayo de 2003 15:02
> 		Para: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> 		Asunto: [AccessD] Mouse pointer
> 		
> 		
> 
> 		Does anyone know how to set a custom mouse pointer? I want
> to use the mouse to indicate a drill-down field and none of the mouse
> settings listed in the VB help file (normal, hourglass, insert, resize)
> are suitable.
> 
> 		TIA 
> 
> 		Roz 
>  << File: ATT776229.txt >> 

From Alun.Garraway at otto.de  Thu May 15 12:09:30 2003
From: Alun.Garraway at otto.de (Garraway, Alun)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 19:09:30 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Quirk in append query
Message-ID: <9F7DD6E5DB1ED611B4B10002A542365C013AE36F@ntovmail05.ov.otto.de>

hallo I'm new to the list and have a problem,

I have an append query the table with data that I'm trying to append hass
19933 records.
the table to which I want to append to contains 18657 with a PK set to no
duplicates.

that means the query *should* append 1276 new records, but when I run the
query,
I get the warning from Access, due to PK etc 19933 records could not be
appended =:-O

does anybody have a "cure" for this illness?

using A2K with NT Network

TIA
alun



Alun Garraway
IM-IT Sonderprojekte LBB-ET-D1
Tel. (040) 64 61 5573
Fax (040) 64 64 5573
mailto:alun.garraway at otto.de


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu May 15 12:41:01 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 18:41:01 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] access database needs repair
In-Reply-To: <001101c31aac$abac51c0$b274d0d5@andypc>
Message-ID: <007401c31b09$27037720$b274d0d5@andypc>

Dwayne
If you're still struggling, and the data's really vital, then I believe
there's a company who specialise in recovering this sort of thing. If
you express interest I'm sure someone will remember who they are.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: 15 May 2003 07:39
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] access database needs repair
> 
> 
> And I'll add, did you try decompiling? That's opening Access 
> with a /decompile switch then opening your MDB and letting 
> Access decompile it. You didn't indicate whether it?s a 
> FrontEnd or Backend either. Would help people give advice.
> 
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> > Michael R Mattys
> > Sent: 15 May 2003 03:31
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] access database needs repair
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Dwayne,
> > 
> > You may not have necessarily indicated your level of
> > expertise, so I am just going to pose a few questions:
> > 
> > Did you check for and delete the locking .LDB file that opens
> > with the mdb?
> > 
> > If so, did you try importing objects from your mdb using a
> > new mdb? Or, perhaps, using Excel, try to import the data?
> > 
> > Have you tried JetComp? See 
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?
> > scid=http://support.microsoft.com:80/support/kb/articles/
> > Q239/1/14.ASP&NoWebContent=1
> > 
> > Michael R. Mattys
> > www.mattysconsulting.com
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Hartranft, Dwayne" <dmhartr at sandia.gov>
> > To: <accessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Cc: <dwayne at tmssusa.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 10:06 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] access database needs repair
> > 
> > 
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I am in dire need of some advice.
> > >
> > > I had a client that ended up with a corrupted database.
> > >
> > > The power went off to the computer while a database was open.  Now
> > > when I try to open it, it says that it needs to repair the 
> > file.  When
> > > I try to repair it, I get the message that the file is not a
> > > recognized database format.  It is in Access 2000
> > >
> > > Any suggestions?  Restoring from a backup is not an 
> option since the
> > client
> > > did not do any.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance for any ideas.
> > >
> > > Dwayne Hartranft
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> > Website: 
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> 
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu May 15 12:43:51 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 10:43:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer
Message-ID: <00ee01c31b09$8bee4610$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Dear List:

I have a couple of reports which the client wants to page break on the major sort field.  SO I put a page break control in the section  the section footer which works just fine except I'm getting an extra blank page at the end of the report.

Is there a way to suppress this last page?

MTIA

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Thu May 15 12:55:13 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 12:55:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Quirk in append query
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F35808@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Alun,

The error message said how many were PK violations, how many were
datatype violations, etc.  You need to look at each type of reported
problem and solve each.  If you do not understand what one of the
reported problem types is, we will be glad to try to explain it if you
give us all the information.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Garraway, Alun [mailto:Alun.Garraway at otto.de] 
Sent: Thursday 2003 May 15 12:10
To: Access DatabaseAdvisors (E-Mail)
Subject: [AccessD] Quirk in append query

hallo I'm new to the list and have a problem,

I have an append query the table with data that I'm trying to append
hass 19933 records. the table to which I want to append to contains
18657 with a PK set to no duplicates.

that means the query *should* append 1276 new records, but when I run
the query, I get the warning from Access, due to PK etc 19933 records
could not be appended =:-O

does anybody have a "cure" for this illness?

using A2K with NT Network

TIA
alun



Alun Garraway
IM-IT Sonderprojekte LBB-ET-D1
Tel. (040) 64 61 5573
Fax (040) 64 64 5573
mailto:alun.garraway at otto.de

From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu May 15 12:54:18 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 18:54:18 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer
In-Reply-To: <00ee01c31b09$8bee4610$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <007f01c31b0b$028a15a0$b274d0d5@andypc>

Rocky
Rather than do that just set the Force New Page property of the Group
Header to Before Section.
 
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk <http://www.minstersystems.co.uk/> 



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: 15 May 2003 18:44
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer


Dear List:
 
I have a couple of reports which the client wants to page break on the
major sort field.  SO I put a page break control in the section  the
section footer which works just fine except I'm getting an extra blank
page at the end of the report.
 
Is there a way to suppress this last page?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
 

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu May 15 12:55:52 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 18:55:52 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Quirk in append query
In-Reply-To: <9F7DD6E5DB1ED611B4B10002A542365C013AE36F@ntovmail05.ov.otto.de>
Message-ID: <008401c31b0b$3a313740$b274d0d5@andypc>

Welcome to the list Alun

IIRC the Access error says something about "index errors", not
specifically PK ones. Are you sure you hven't got another index which is
preventing these records appending?

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Garraway, Alun
> Sent: 15 May 2003 18:10
> To: Access DatabaseAdvisors (E-Mail)
> Subject: [AccessD] Quirk in append query
> 
> 
> hallo I'm new to the list and have a problem,
> 
> I have an append query the table with data that I'm trying to 
> append hass 19933 records. the table to which I want to 
> append to contains 18657 with a PK set to no duplicates.
> 
> that means the query *should* append 1276 new records, but 
> when I run the query, I get the warning from Access, due to 
> PK etc 19933 records could not be appended =:-O
> 
> does anybody have a "cure" for this illness?
> 
> using A2K with NT Network
> 
> TIA
> alun
> 
> 
> 
> Alun Garraway
> IM-IT Sonderprojekte LBB-ET-D1
> Tel. (040) 64 61 5573
> Fax (040) 64 64 5573
> mailto:alun.garraway at otto.de
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> Website: 
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 


From Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK  Thu May 15 12:49:34 2003
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK (Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 18:49:34 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] Windows Problem
In-Reply-To: <002201c31a58$08d1fe90$de1811d8@DanWaters>
References: <002201c31a58$08d1fe90$de1811d8@DanWaters>
Message-ID: <1053020974.3ec3d32eb9a44@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

I have installed some software which I had to FTP to the PC. The folder and 
all sub folders are marked read only (win XP Pro)

In order to execute some VBA I must have full access to teh folders, however 
when I take the read only property of and click ok, go back and check the 
property its set back to read only.

Anyone any idea whats happening?


Martin

From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Thu May 15 13:20:08 2003
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 14:20:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Windows Problem
Message-ID: <FED384E544086A47AAC07C0999BE8D175B702F@albmsx2k.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Martin,
Have Win XP Pro too and it looks like all the folders are marked read
only but I can still write to them.

Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us


-----Original Message-----
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
[mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK] 
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 1:50 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Windows Problem


I have installed some software which I had to FTP to the PC. The folder
and 
all sub folders are marked read only (win XP Pro)

In order to execute some VBA I must have full access to teh folders,
however 
when I take the read only property of and click ok, go back and check
the 
property its set back to read only.

Anyone any idea whats happening?


Martin
_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From clh at christopherhawkins.com  Thu May 15 13:38:25 2003
From: clh at christopherhawkins.com (Christopher Hawkins)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 12:38:25 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Guess who's back?
Message-ID: <106340-220035415183825789@christopherhawkins.com>

My apologies for cluttering the list.  I'm just so excited to be
subscribed again, and to be working with Access again, that i wanted
to say hello to all of you!

It's been a long time and I'm looking forward to more of the
interesting, useful discussions I recall from my first go-round as a
member of this list.

-Christopher Hawkins-
www.christopherhawkins.com


From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu May 15 13:46:56 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 11:46:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer
References: <007f01c31b0b$028a15a0$b274d0d5@andypc>
Message-ID: <010c01c31b12$5c62b580$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

MessageAndy:

There's a 'page break' check box on the calling form.  So I set the page breaks (up to three because there can be three sort fields selected) visible or not depending on the check box.  

I tried setting them in code:


If Forms!frmRoomInventoryReport!chkPageBreak = False Then
    'PageBreak1.Visible = False
    'PageBreak2.Visible = False
    'PageBreak3.Visible = False
    Me.Section(6).ForceNewPage = 0
    Me.Section(8).ForceNewPage = 0
    Me.Section(10).ForceNewPage = 0
Else
    Me.Section(6).ForceNewPage = 2
    Me.Section(8).ForceNewPage = 2
    Me.Section(10).ForceNewPage = 2
End If

but it's not coming out right.  The sections are breaking in funny places.  I tried commenting out 6,8, and 10 in various combinations but nothing seems to work just right.  

Do you see anything I'm doing wrong here or is there perhaps another way to suppress that last blank page?

MTIA

is

but it leaves the page header by itself.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Andy Lacey 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 10:54 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer


  Rocky
  Rather than do that just set the Force New Page property of the Group Header to Before Section.

  Andy Lacey
  http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



    -----Original Message-----
    From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
    Sent: 15 May 2003 18:44
    To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
    Subject: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer


    Dear List:

    I have a couple of reports which the client wants to page break on the major sort field.  SO I put a page break control in the section  the section footer which works just fine except I'm getting an extra blank page at the end of the report.

    Is there a way to suppress this last page?

    MTIA

    Rocky Smolin
    Beach Access Software



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From Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK  Thu May 15 13:48:42 2003
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK (Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 19:48:42 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] Guess who's back?
In-Reply-To: <106340-220035415183825789@christopherhawkins.com>
References: <106340-220035415183825789@christopherhawkins.com>
Message-ID: <1053024522.3ec3e10a1fe24@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

Welcome back Chris

Martin


Quoting Christopher Hawkins <clh at christopherhawkins.com>:

> My apologies for cluttering the list.  I'm just so excited to be
> subscribed again, and to be working with Access again, that i wanted
> to say hello to all of you!
> 
> It's been a long time and I'm looking forward to more of the
> interesting, useful discussions I recall from my first go-round as a
> member of this list.
> 
> -Christopher Hawkins-
> www.christopherhawkins.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 

From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu May 15 13:57:40 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 19:57:40 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer
In-Reply-To: <010c01c31b12$5c62b580$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <009b01c31b13$dc25cfe0$b274d0d5@andypc>

Rocky
I'd set it to 1 (ie Before Section) if I were you. That's what I always
use and never have any bother. I take it you've removed the manual page
breaks cos they'd be messing you up otherwise.
 
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk <http://www.minstersystems.co.uk/> 



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: 15 May 2003 19:47
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer


Andy:
 
There's a 'page break' check box on the calling form.  So I set the page
breaks (up to three because there can be three sort fields selected)
visible or not depending on the check box.  
 
I tried setting them in code:
 


If Forms!frmRoomInventoryReport!chkPageBreak = False Then
    'PageBreak1.Visible = False
    'PageBreak2.Visible = False
    'PageBreak3.Visible = False
    Me.Section(6).ForceNewPage = 0
    Me.Section(8).ForceNewPage = 0
    Me.Section(10).ForceNewPage = 0
Else
    Me.Section(6).ForceNewPage = 2
    Me.Section(8).ForceNewPage = 2
    Me.Section(10).ForceNewPage = 2
End If

but it's not coming out right.  The sections are breaking in funny
places.  I tried commenting out 6,8, and 10 in various combinations but
nothing seems to work just right.  
 
Do you see anything I'm doing wrong here or is there perhaps another way
to suppress that last blank page?
 
MTIA
 
is
 
but it leaves the page header by itself.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Andy Lacey <mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk>  
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 10:54 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer

Rocky
Rather than do that just set the Force New Page property of the Group
Header to Before Section.
 
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: 15 May 2003 18:44
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer


Dear List:
 
I have a couple of reports which the client wants to page break on the
major sort field.  SO I put a page break control in the section  the
section footer which works just fine except I'm getting an extra blank
page at the end of the report.
 
Is there a way to suppress this last page?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
 



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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu May 15 14:22:29 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 12:22:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer
References: <009b01c31b13$dc25cfe0$b274d0d5@andypc>
Message-ID: <016601c31b17$53dfa7b0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

MessageAndy:

She's a-still no work.  I tried After Section because these are the footers. But, of course, I've got three footers so that doesn't work out too well.  Before section would be better for the header sections, no?, but then it leaves the report header on a separate page.   :(

Not sure how to get around this one.

Yet.

Rocky

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Andy Lacey 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 11:57 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer


  Rocky
  I'd set it to 1 (ie Before Section) if I were you. That's what I always use and never have any bother. I take it you've removed the manual page breaks cos they'd be messing you up otherwise.

  Andy Lacey
  http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



    -----Original Message-----
    From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
    Sent: 15 May 2003 19:47
    To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer


    Andy:

    There's a 'page break' check box on the calling form.  So I set the page breaks (up to three because there can be three sort fields selected) visible or not depending on the check box.  

    I tried setting them in code:


    If Forms!frmRoomInventoryReport!chkPageBreak = False Then
        'PageBreak1.Visible = False
        'PageBreak2.Visible = False
        'PageBreak3.Visible = False
        Me.Section(6).ForceNewPage = 0
        Me.Section(8).ForceNewPage = 0
        Me.Section(10).ForceNewPage = 0
    Else
        Me.Section(6).ForceNewPage = 2
        Me.Section(8).ForceNewPage = 2
        Me.Section(10).ForceNewPage = 2
    End If

    but it's not coming out right.  The sections are breaking in funny places.  I tried commenting out 6,8, and 10 in various combinations but nothing seems to work just right.  

    Do you see anything I'm doing wrong here or is there perhaps another way to suppress that last blank page?

    MTIA

    is

    but it leaves the page header by itself.
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Andy Lacey 
      To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
      Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 10:54 AM
      Subject: RE: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer


      Rocky
      Rather than do that just set the Force New Page property of the Group Header to Before Section.

      Andy Lacey
      http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



        -----Original Message-----
        From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
        Sent: 15 May 2003 18:44
        To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
        Subject: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer


        Dear List:

        I have a couple of reports which the client wants to page break on the major sort field.  SO I put a page break control in the section  the section footer which works just fine except I'm getting an extra blank page at the end of the report.

        Is there a way to suppress this last page?

        MTIA

        Rocky Smolin
        Beach Access Software



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From delliker at hotmail.com  Thu May 15 14:25:05 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 15:25:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Quirk in append query
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From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Thu May 15 14:35:38 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 21:35:38 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT  Guess who's back?
References: <106340-220035415183825789@christopherhawkins.com>
Message-ID: <04eb01c31b19$29ebd6c0$0300a8c0@S856>

welcome back, Christopher :)
Lembit Soobik

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From CSPELL at jhuccp.org  Thu May 15 14:33:21 2003
From: CSPELL at jhuccp.org (CYNTHIA SPELL)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 15:33:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer
Message-ID: <sec3b34b.079@ccp2.jhuccp.org>

Rocky,
Maybe you could try to force new page Before Section on the group header and put the Report Header on a Page Header instead.

Cindy

>>> bchacc at san.rr.com 05/15/03 03:22PM >>>
MessageAndy:

She's a-still no work.  I tried After Section because these are the footers. But, of course, I've got three footers so that doesn't work out too well.  Before section would be better for the header sections, no?, but then it leaves the report header on a separate page.   :(

Not sure how to get around this one.

Yet.

Rocky

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Andy Lacey 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 11:57 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer


  Rocky
  I'd set it to 1 (ie Before Section) if I were you. That's what I always use and never have any bother. I take it you've removed the manual page breaks cos they'd be messing you up otherwise.

  Andy Lacey
  http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 



    -----Original Message-----
    From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
    Sent: 15 May 2003 19:47
    To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer


    Andy:

    There's a 'page break' check box on the calling form.  So I set the page breaks (up to three because there can be three sort fields selected) visible or not depending on the check box.  

    I tried setting them in code:


    If Forms!frmRoomInventoryReport!chkPageBreak = False Then
        'PageBreak1.Visible = False
        'PageBreak2.Visible = False
        'PageBreak3.Visible = False
        Me.Section(6).ForceNewPage = 0
        Me.Section(8).ForceNewPage = 0
        Me.Section(10).ForceNewPage = 0
    Else
        Me.Section(6).ForceNewPage = 2
        Me.Section(8).ForceNewPage = 2
        Me.Section(10).ForceNewPage = 2
    End If

    but it's not coming out right.  The sections are breaking in funny places.  I tried commenting out 6,8, and 10 in various combinations but nothing seems to work just right.  

    Do you see anything I'm doing wrong here or is there perhaps another way to suppress that last blank page?

    MTIA

    is

    but it leaves the page header by itself.
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Andy Lacey 
      To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
      Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 10:54 AM
      Subject: RE: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer


      Rocky
      Rather than do that just set the Force New Page property of the Group Header to Before Section.

      Andy Lacey
      http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 



        -----Original Message-----
        From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
        Sent: 15 May 2003 18:44
        To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
        Subject: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer


        Dear List:

        I have a couple of reports which the client wants to page break on the major sort field.  SO I put a page break control in the section  the section footer which works just fine except I'm getting an extra blank page at the end of the report.

        Is there a way to suppress this last page?

        MTIA

        Rocky Smolin
        Beach Access Software



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From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Thu May 15 14:40:55 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 21:40:55 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT - our website - IE5 users
References: <106340-220035415183825789@christopherhawkins.com>
Message-ID: <04f601c31b19$f1e2c990$0300a8c0@S856>

Friends,
we have a little problem with our website:
(some?) IE5 users cannot see part of the website.
unfortunately the website developers do not have IE5 any more,
so would those who have IE5 please check it out
www.databaseadvisors.com
and if you find something not ok, please inform 
Jim Lawrence at accessd at shaw.ca
thank you for your help
Lembit

Lembit Soobik



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 15 14:54:47 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 12:54:47 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F74@infoserver01.infostat.local>

The usual way to do this is to create a group header on that field and
set the group header's  ForceNewPage property to BeforeSection.
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
[mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
	Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 9:44 AM
	To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer
	
	
	Dear List:
	 
	I have a couple of reports which the client wants to page break
on the major sort field.  SO I put a page break control in the section
the section footer which works just fine except I'm getting an extra
blank page at the end of the report.
	 
	Is there a way to suppress this last page?
	 
	MTIA
	 
	Rocky Smolin
	Beach Access Software
	 

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 15 14:59:43 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 12:59:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Quirk in append query
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F75@infoserver01.infostat.local>

If your source table is not filling in a required field in the
destination table, you can easily have this problem.  Since no records
are being appended, that would be the first place I would look.  Make
sure that all the fields you're trying to append should really be
appended and that any missing values are being handled corrected.  For
example, if you have a numeric field that is required and has a default
of zero, trying to append a null to it will cause problems because the
null will overwrite the default.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Garraway, Alun [mailto:Alun.Garraway at otto.de] 
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 9:10 AM
To: Access DatabaseAdvisors (E-Mail)
Subject: [AccessD] Quirk in append query


hallo I'm new to the list and have a problem,

I have an append query the table with data that I'm trying to append
hass 19933 records. the table to which I want to append to contains
18657 with a PK set to no duplicates.

that means the query *should* append 1276 new records, but when I run
the query, I get the warning from Access, due to PK etc 19933 records
could not be appended =:-O

does anybody have a "cure" for this illness?

using A2K with NT Network

TIA
alun



Alun Garraway
IM-IT Sonderprojekte LBB-ET-D1
Tel. (040) 64 61 5573
Fax (040) 64 64 5573
mailto:alun.garraway at otto.de

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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Thu May 15 15:11:51 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 15:11:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - our website - IE5 users
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F3580B@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Lembit and Jim,

I do not have IE5 anymore either so I cannot help in that respect.  But
for those that do have IE5, what should they be looking for that may not
be there?  Unless it is something obvious like a blank page, you may not
know something is missing unless you know what to look for.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Lembit Soobik [mailto:Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de] 
Sent: Thursday 2003 May 15 14:41
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT - our website - IE5 users

Friends,
we have a little problem with our website:
(some?) IE5 users cannot see part of the website.
unfortunately the website developers do not have IE5 any more, so would
those who have IE5 please check it out www.databaseadvisors.com and if
you find something not ok, please inform 
Jim Lawrence at accessd at shaw.ca
thank you for your help
Lembit

Lembit Soobik

From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Thu May 15 15:29:34 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 15:29:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - our website - IE5 users
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2DF1B5@exchange.pgdp>

I have IE5 & the page is blank. All I get is the Menu Bar on the left, the
key & Database Advisors across the top.

So it is obvious something is missing. I cannot navigate to other pages. I
click on the menus but nothing shows on the right side of the page.

Virginia

-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us]
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 3:12 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - our website - IE5 users


Lembit and Jim,

I do not have IE5 anymore either so I cannot help in that respect.  But
for those that do have IE5, what should they be looking for that may not
be there?  Unless it is something obvious like a blank page, you may not
know something is missing unless you know what to look for.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Lembit Soobik [mailto:Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de] 
Sent: Thursday 2003 May 15 14:41
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT - our website - IE5 users

Friends,
we have a little problem with our website:
(some?) IE5 users cannot see part of the website.
unfortunately the website developers do not have IE5 any more, so would
those who have IE5 please check it out www.databaseadvisors.com and if
you find something not ok, please inform 
Jim Lawrence at accessd at shaw.ca
thank you for your help
Lembit

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From klk at ksu.edu  Thu May 15 15:37:08 2003
From: klk at ksu.edu (Keith L. Kovala)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 15:37:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - our website - IE5 users
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2DF1B5@exchange.pgdp>
Message-ID: <000601c31b21$c1630a70$55588281@current>

Looking at the source, seems to point to a Java issue, because navigation is
handled by java mouseover scripts, and the loading of the "main page" is
also a java script, with a noscript to load a blank page.

Keith L. Kovala
klk at ksu.edu 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Hollis,Virginia
> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 3:30 PM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - our website - IE5 users
> 
> 
> I have IE5 & the page is blank. All I get is the Menu Bar on 
> the left, the key & Database Advisors across the top.
> 
> So it is obvious something is missing. I cannot navigate to 
> other pages. I click on the menus but nothing shows on the 
> right side of the page.
> 
> Virginia
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us]
> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 3:12 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - our website - IE5 users
> 
> 
> Lembit and Jim,
> 
> I do not have IE5 anymore either so I cannot help in that 
> respect.  But for those that do have IE5, what should they be 
> looking for that may not be there?  Unless it is something 
> obvious like a blank page, you may not know something is 
> missing unless you know what to look for.
> 
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lembit Soobik [mailto:Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de] 
> Sent: Thursday 2003 May 15 14:41
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT - our website - IE5 users
> 
> Friends,
> we have a little problem with our website:
> (some?) IE5 users cannot see part of the website.
> unfortunately the website developers do not have IE5 any 
> more, so would those who have IE5 please check it out 
www.databaseadvisors.com and if you find something not ok, please inform 
Jim Lawrence at accessd at shaw.ca
thank you for your help
Lembit

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu May 15 16:30:46 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 22:30:46 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F74@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <000e01c31b29$3f5eeaa0$b274d0d5@andypc>

Yea I agree. That's what I had in mind Rocky. If that's not what you've
got I should start over by setting Group Headers on then, as Charlotte
says, set each one's ForceNewPage property to BeforeSection. And if you
have a header do you mean it to appear only once, cos that's what the
ReportHeader will do. Is it a title page? If so the ReportHesder's fine
and yes it'll be on its own page. Otherwise stick it in the PageHeader.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: 15 May 2003 20:55
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer


The usual way to do this is to create a group header on that field and
set the group header's  ForceNewPage property to BeforeSection.

Charlotte Foust
-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 9:44 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer


Dear List:

I have a couple of reports which the client wants to page break on the
major sort field.  SO I put a page break control in the section  the
section footer which works just fine except I'm getting an extra blank
page at the end of the report.

Is there a way to suppress this last page?

MTIA

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu May 15 16:38:16 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 17:38:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEEODMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I am looking at implementing some classes that have defined functionality
and properties.  However the class also needs a collection to hold other
items (instances of a specific class.  I read about the idea of subclassing
a collection to define the object that the collection can hold by overriding
the Add method.  Is there any reason not to just go the whole way and make
the collection class my object class.  IOW, add my methods and properties to
a subclassed collection class, naming the new class to MyObject.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From dmhartr at sandia.gov  Thu May 15 16:54:20 2003
From: dmhartr at sandia.gov (Hartranft, Dwayne)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 15:54:20 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] access database needs repair
Message-ID: <03781128C7B74B4DBC27C55859C9D738B7D5DD@es06snlnt.sandia.gov>

Andy,

I have tried all the items that have been posted so far.  No luck.  Every
time I access the file, it says that it is not a recognized database format.

It is an Access 2000 database, backend with just tables.

I sent the file to a company that has a good rate of recovery, and they said
they could only recover 2 of the tables.

I did try something different.  I was able to open the database in Word.
There is a bunch of garbage, but I can find all the data that was in the
main table.  I just have to filter the garbage out.  This will be easier
than trying to recreate 6 months of data entry.

Thanks for the tips and the encouragement.

Dwayne


From artful at rogers.com  Thu May 15 17:20:27 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 18:20:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEEODMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <018b01c31b30$3040a930$8e01a8c0@Rock>

Offhand I see no wholes in your theory.

A.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: May 15, 2003 5:38 PM
To: AccessD
Cc: VBA
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections


I am looking at implementing some classes that have defined functionality
and properties.  However the class also needs a collection to hold other
items (instances of a specific class.  I read about the idea of subclassing
a collection to define the object that the collection can hold by overriding
the Add method.  Is there any reason not to just go the whole way and make
the collection class my object class.  IOW, add my methods and properties to
a subclassed collection class, naming the new class to MyObject.



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu May 15 17:22:08 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 23:22:08 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] access database needs repair
In-Reply-To: <03781128C7B74B4DBC27C55859C9D738B7D5DD@es06snlnt.sandia.gov>
Message-ID: <001001c31b30$6ca2e1e0$b274d0d5@andypc>

What a nightmare Dwayne. If you're having to find what you can in Word
then how about a hex editor? Might that find non-text data better? Just
had a browse on Google and found this http://www.hexworkshop.com/ which
looks quite meaty, though there are no doubt hundreds to choose from.
Just a thought.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Hartranft, Dwayne
> Sent: 15 May 2003 22:54
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] access database needs repair
> 
> 
> Andy,
> 
> I have tried all the items that have been posted so far.  No 
> luck.  Every time I access the file, it says that it is not a 
> recognized database format.
> 
> It is an Access 2000 database, backend with just tables.
> 
> I sent the file to a company that has a good rate of 
> recovery, and they said they could only recover 2 of the tables.
> 
> I did try something different.  I was able to open the 
> database in Word. There is a bunch of garbage, but I can find 
> all the data that was in the main table.  I just have to 
> filter the garbage out.  This will be easier than trying to 
> recreate 6 months of data entry.
> 
> Thanks for the tips and the encouragement.
> 
> Dwayne
> 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 15 17:29:59 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 15:29:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] access database needs repair
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F77@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Opening the database in Word may have been what toasted it in the first
place.  Word will attempt to open an Access database and in so doing,
will trash it thoroughly ... Assuming it was't already history, of
course.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Hartranft, Dwayne [mailto:dmhartr at sandia.gov] 
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 1:54 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] access database needs repair


Andy,

I have tried all the items that have been posted so far.  No luck.
Every time I access the file, it says that it is not a recognized
database format.

It is an Access 2000 database, backend with just tables.

I sent the file to a company that has a good rate of recovery, and they
said they could only recover 2 of the tables.

I did try something different.  I was able to open the database in Word.
There is a bunch of garbage, but I can find all the data that was in the
main table.  I just have to filter the garbage out.  This will be easier
than trying to recreate 6 months of data entry.

Thanks for the tips and the encouragement.

Dwayne

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From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Thu May 15 18:12:55 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 01:12:55 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] access database needs repair
References: <03781128C7B74B4DBC27C55859C9D738B7D5DD@es06snlnt.sandia.gov>
Message-ID: <05c001c31b37$84dbbb90$0300a8c0@S856>

Dwayne,
did you make a copy before opening it in Word?
some years ago - I cannot remember whether it was A97 or A2, I have been able to
fix it by opening the corrupted db and a good db in a hex editor (I used 2
monitors) and to compare the headers byte by byte. found a difference and
corrected it and it worked.
Lembit Soobik

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hartranft, Dwayne" <dmhartr at sandia.gov>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 11:54 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] access database needs repair


> Andy,
>
> I have tried all the items that have been posted so far.  No luck.  Every
> time I access the file, it says that it is not a recognized database format.
>
> It is an Access 2000 database, backend with just tables.
>
> I sent the file to a company that has a good rate of recovery, and they said
> they could only recover 2 of the tables.
>
> I did try something different.  I was able to open the database in Word.
> There is a bunch of garbage, but I can find all the data that was in the
> main table.  I just have to filter the garbage out.  This will be easier
> than trying to recreate 6 months of data entry.
>
> Thanks for the tips and the encouragement.
>
> Dwayne
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu May 15 18:19:18 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 09:19:18 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse pointer
In-Reply-To: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF4038977DC@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
Message-ID: <3EC4AD16.11152.2E5E73C3@localhost>

This from "Win32.hlp - SetCursor" may have something to do with it:

"If your application must set the cursor while it is in a window, make sure the class cursor for the specified window's 
class is set to NULL. If the class cursor is not NULL, the system restores the class cursor each time the mouse is 
moved. "

On 15 May 2003 at 12:23, Heenan, Lambert wrote:

> Just did a little experimenting. It seems that the newly loaded mouse cursor
> stays in effect only as long as the *code block* that called MouseCursor is
> still executing. For example...
> 
> Sub testMC()
> Dim ts As Single
>     MouseCursor (IDC_CROSS)
>     ts = Timer
>     While Timer - ts < 4
>     Wend
> End Sub
> 
> ... the above code will change the cursor and only when the While loop ends
> do we see it change back to the default.
> 

-- 
Stuart McLachlan
Lexacorp Ltd
Application Development,  IT Consultancy
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg


From jbusergroups at optushome.com.au  Thu May 15 18:50:39 2003
From: jbusergroups at optushome.com.au (Joshua B)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 9:50:39 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Manual Database Synchronisation (Problems with GUID)
Message-ID: <200305152350.h4FNoPn28624@mail009.syd.optusnet.com.au>

Group,

Further to my post below, I have been playing with GUID's as primary keys and have run into a few problems.

Firstly, the code "DoCmd.OpenForm "frm_MyForm", , , "theGUID = " & Me.txttheGUID does not work. 

When I type "?Me.txttheGUID" into the debug window, it returns "???????", same result when I try CStr(me.txttheGUID)

When I type in "?StringFromGUID(me.txtTheGUID)" it returns "{guid {1612A983-98E4-48CD-A3F1-4CDC78FF69A5}}", which is close, but I would have to then parse out the "{guid{}" section, and if I'm looking at doing this throughout the whole db, this could be a major headache.       

(Interestingly, if I run "DoCmd.OpenForm "frm_MyForm", , , "theGUID = '{1612A983-98E4-48CD-A3F1-4CDC78FF69A5}'" it works perfectly) 

So I jumped on Google and had a quick look around and came across this http://www.trigeminal.com/usenet/usenet011.asp?1033

which basically lists all the reasons why its NOT a good idea to use GUID's as primary keys.

I'm looking at going back to my original idea. (Using a random autonumber, and attaching a time-stamp to the end of that). But I thought I'd throw this back out there for discussion before I go ahead.

======= At 2003-05-13, 20:16:00 I wrote: =======

>Group:
>
>Hoping someone may have a few ideas on this. I am in the process of setting up specifications for the modification of a clients database. The client has offices in five different locations around the world, and a database that has been shared up until now using Access's in-built replication tool. At the end of each trading day, the database would be sent to the other offices, and they would synchronise. The db has now grown to the size where this is not possible anymore (It weighs in at around 5 megabytes zipped up, and the offices that don't have the luxury of cable are starting to complain). They wish to send only the new and updated records back and forth.
>
>Eventually they will be looking at a web-based solution, but this will not be happening for at least a year, if not more.
>
>My idea is to time-stamp each record when it is updated (or added), and then use this time stamp to determine which records need to be sent to the other offices. I have been assured that the offices will "never" (I know that thats a dirty word) be working on the same record on the same day, so there will be no need to update on a field-by-field basis, I'll simply overwrite the whole record with the updated information.
>
>In the meantime, my main concern with setting this up is how I handle the primary keys for records. Up until now, I have been a firm believer in using an autonumber for a primary key. Of course, this will not be possible in this scenario. When a record is added to the system and sent to all the other offices, the primary keys will have to match, so that my code will be able to match up the updated records when imported at the other end. The best idea I have come up with is to use a random autonumber, and attach a time-stamp to the end of that, and use it as a primary key. For there to be a conflict, it would mean that two offices have generated a duplicate random autonumber at the exact same second. I'm quite happy with the odds of that never happening.
>
>I just thought I would throw this in there, with the hope that maybe someone has done something similar in the past. And of course, there is the likely possibility that I am missing some incredibly easy way of doing this.
>
>Thanks for reading :-)

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
			

Best regards.				 
Joshua B
jbusergroups at optushome.com.au
2003-05-16




From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu May 15 18:53:14 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 19:53:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85BE6@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

John,

Although it seems like it may be the same difference I think it breaks the philosophy (if you will) of class development.  If you design your classes to handle one set of functionality (as class definition normally calls for) then this would dictate keeping the object and all its methods and properties and its collection with its methods and properties separate.

Just my opinion but I'd keep them separate (and do).

Jim DeMarco
(from home)

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 5:38 PM
To: AccessD
Cc: VBA
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections


I am looking at implementing some classes that have defined functionality
and properties.  However the class also needs a collection to hold other
items (instances of a specific class.  I read about the idea of subclassing
a collection to define the object that the collection can hold by overriding
the Add method.  Is there any reason not to just go the whole way and make
the collection class my object class.  IOW, add my methods and properties to
a subclassed collection class, naming the new class to MyObject.

John W. Colby
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From bbruen at bigpond.com  Thu May 15 19:05:15 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 10:05:15 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] 
Message-ID: <000001c31b3e$dcc5aad0$7b00a8c0@bbb888>

Dear List,

Given the following is as simple as it looks,  can anyone shed any light
on the compile error that it generates?

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
Private mstr_clubname As String

Private Property Set clubname(ByVal iname As String)
<<<<----------error here!
''set the attribute with the supplied name of the club
        Set mstr_clubname = iname
End Property

''returns the value of the clubname attribute
Public Property Get clubname() As String
        clubname = mstr_clubname
End Property


The compile error is "Definitions of property procedures for the same
property are inconsistent or contain optional parameters or a
ParamArray"

Not according to this little black duck!  I've even asked a colleague to
read the help file item on the error and she cant understand a word of
it either, not that I believe it applies in any case.  However, I have
deleted EVERY other pice of code in the class module and the error is
still there.

Tia
Bruce







From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu May 15 19:13:46 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 20:13:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85BE6@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEFEDMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I absolutely understand what you are saying.  My thought was that part of
the functionality of this class was that it had to have a collection, thus
the "having a collection" was one of it's properties.  If I don't do what I
discussed, then I have to add a collection object variable.

However if thought of in terms of naming... let's just make up an example.

Let's call the class I am designing Car, and the objects placed in the
collection as doors.  If I don't use a variable pointing to a collection,
then the syntax to manipulate the doors (in place) would be Car(1).Handle
(for example).  If I use a variable, it would be Car.Door(1).Handle.  From
that perspective, the second (generally used) method is superior since the
first method makes readability obscure.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 7:53 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections


John,

Although it seems like it may be the same difference I think it breaks the
philosophy (if you will) of class development.  If you design your classes
to handle one set of functionality (as class definition normally calls for)
then this would dictate keeping the object and all its methods and
properties and its collection with its methods and properties separate.

Just my opinion but I'd keep them separate (and do).

Jim DeMarco
(from home)

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 5:38 PM
To: AccessD
Cc: VBA
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections


I am looking at implementing some classes that have defined functionality
and properties.  However the class also needs a collection to hold other
items (instances of a specific class.  I read about the idea of subclassing
a collection to define the object that the collection can hold by overriding
the Add method.  Is there any reason not to just go the whole way and make
the collection class my object class.  IOW, add my methods and properties to
a subclassed collection class, naming the new class to MyObject.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Thu May 15 19:17:47 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 20:17:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] 
In-Reply-To: <000001c31b3e$dcc5aad0$7b00a8c0@bbb888>
Message-ID: <3EC3F5EB.996.7F2CC6@localhost>

On 16 May 2003 at 10:05, Bruce Bruen wrote:

> Private Property Set clubname(ByVal iname As String)

> Public Property Get clubname() As String

Bruce,

Your Property Set is Private while your Property Get is public.

They can't be different. So you need to change one or the other.

--
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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Thu May 15 19:21:49 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 10:21:49 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Guess who's back?
References: <106340-220035415183825789@christopherhawkins.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c31b41$25326630$3c619a89@DDICK>

Welcome Back


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christopher Hawkins" <clh at christopherhawkins.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 4:38 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Guess who's back?


> My apologies for cluttering the list.  I'm just so excited to be
> subscribed again, and to be working with Access again, that i wanted
> to say hello to all of you!
> 
> It's been a long time and I'm looking forward to more of the
> interesting, useful discussions I recall from my first go-round as a
> member of this list.
> 
> -Christopher Hawkins-
> www.christopherhawkins.com
> 
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu May 15 19:28:28 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 20:28:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85BE7@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

I think your example would more properly require a Door class and a Doors collection class which you'd subclass into your Car class to provide the same syntax (Car.Door(1).Handle).

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 8:14 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections


I absolutely understand what you are saying.  My thought was that part of
the functionality of this class was that it had to have a collection, thus
the "having a collection" was one of it's properties.  If I don't do what I
discussed, then I have to add a collection object variable.

However if thought of in terms of naming... let's just make up an example.

Let's call the class I am designing Car, and the objects placed in the
collection as doors.  If I don't use a variable pointing to a collection,
then the syntax to manipulate the doors (in place) would be Car(1).Handle
(for example).  If I use a variable, it would be Car.Door(1).Handle.  From
that perspective, the second (generally used) method is superior since the
first method makes readability obscure.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 7:53 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections


John,

Although it seems like it may be the same difference I think it breaks the
philosophy (if you will) of class development.  If you design your classes
to handle one set of functionality (as class definition normally calls for)
then this would dictate keeping the object and all its methods and
properties and its collection with its methods and properties separate.

Just my opinion but I'd keep them separate (and do).

Jim DeMarco
(from home)

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 5:38 PM
To: AccessD
Cc: VBA
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections


I am looking at implementing some classes that have defined functionality
and properties.  However the class also needs a collection to hold other
items (instances of a specific class.  I read about the idea of subclassing
a collection to define the object that the collection can hold by overriding
the Add method.  Is there any reason not to just go the whole way and make
the collection class my object class.  IOW, add my methods and properties to
a subclassed collection class, naming the new class to MyObject.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu May 15 19:36:39 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 20:36:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD]
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85BE8@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Could it be from using Set to assign a String?  Try using a Property Let instead (without the Set statement).

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Bruen [mailto:bbruen at bigpond.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 8:05 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] 


Dear List,

Given the following is as simple as it looks,  can anyone shed any light
on the compile error that it generates?

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
Private mstr_clubname As String

Private Property Set clubname(ByVal iname As String)
<<<<----------error here!
''set the attribute with the supplied name of the club
        Set mstr_clubname = iname
End Property

''returns the value of the clubname attribute
Public Property Get clubname() As String
        clubname = mstr_clubname
End Property


The compile error is "Definitions of property procedures for the same
property are inconsistent or contain optional parameters or a
ParamArray"

Not according to this little black duck!  I've even asked a colleague to
read the help file item on the error and she cant understand a word of
it either, not that I believe it applies in any case.  However, I have
deleted EVERY other pice of code in the class module and the error is
still there.

Tia
Bruce






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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 15 19:56:46 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 17:56:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] 
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C332@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Property Set is used only for objects.  If you are passing in a string,
that string has to be used to instantiate an object, along the lines of
:

Set frm = forms(iname)

Here's a sample from help:

Property Set Pen(P As Object)
    Set CurrentPen = P    ' Assign Pen to object.
End Property

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Bruen [mailto:bbruen at bigpond.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 4:05 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] 


Dear List,

Given the following is as simple as it looks,  can anyone shed any light
on the compile error that it generates?

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
Private mstr_clubname As String

Private Property Set clubname(ByVal iname As String) <<<<----------error
here! ''set the attribute with the supplied name of the club
        Set mstr_clubname = iname
End Property

''returns the value of the clubname attribute
Public Property Get clubname() As String
        clubname = mstr_clubname
End Property


The compile error is "Definitions of property procedures for the same
property are inconsistent or contain optional parameters or a
ParamArray"

Not according to this little black duck!  I've even asked a colleague to
read the help file item on the error and she cant understand a word of
it either, not that I believe it applies in any case.  However, I have
deleted EVERY other pice of code in the class module and the error is
still there.

Tia
Bruce






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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu May 15 20:26:20 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 21:26:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85BE7@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEFIDMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

No, I was intending to add all of the Car functionality and properties into
a collection class subclassed (called) car, then add door classes into the
car collection class.  The alternative would be to build a car class, with a
colDoor as collection variable, then add the door classes into colDoor.

Using the first method, Car would have it's properties, color, weight etc.
Plus it would have an add method that accepted objects to add into the built
in collection.  The objects placed in this collection would be door classes.
The problem with doing this is that when referenced in place the syntax
would be deceiving.

Car(1) would actually reference a Door class stored in the collection when
it looks like a reference to some object stored in a car array.

Further if using an iterator, you would use something like:

for each door in car()
next door

Which actually isn't too bad.  However usually you would do something like:

For each door in car.colDoor()
next door

Still a little deceiving.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 8:28 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections


I think your example would more properly require a Door class and a Doors
collection class which you'd subclass into your Car class to provide the
same syntax (Car.Door(1).Handle).

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 8:14 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections


I absolutely understand what you are saying.  My thought was that part of
the functionality of this class was that it had to have a collection, thus
the "having a collection" was one of it's properties.  If I don't do what I
discussed, then I have to add a collection object variable.

However if thought of in terms of naming... let's just make up an example.

Let's call the class I am designing Car, and the objects placed in the
collection as doors.  If I don't use a variable pointing to a collection,
then the syntax to manipulate the doors (in place) would be Car(1).Handle
(for example).  If I use a variable, it would be Car.Door(1).Handle.  From
that perspective, the second (generally used) method is superior since the
first method makes readability obscure.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 7:53 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections


John,

Although it seems like it may be the same difference I think it breaks the
philosophy (if you will) of class development.  If you design your classes
to handle one set of functionality (as class definition normally calls for)
then this would dictate keeping the object and all its methods and
properties and its collection with its methods and properties separate.

Just my opinion but I'd keep them separate (and do).

Jim DeMarco
(from home)

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 5:38 PM
To: AccessD
Cc: VBA
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections


I am looking at implementing some classes that have defined functionality
and properties.  However the class also needs a collection to hold other
items (instances of a specific class.  I read about the idea of subclassing
a collection to define the object that the collection can hold by overriding
the Add method.  Is there any reason not to just go the whole way and make
the collection class my object class.  IOW, add my methods and properties to
a subclassed collection class, naming the new class to MyObject.

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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Thu May 15 21:12:42 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 22:12:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections
References: <018b01c31b30$3040a930$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <005b01c31b50$a2303db0$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

...but did you note any parts? :)

William Hindman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 6:20 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections


> Offhand I see no wholes in your theory.
>
> A.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: May 15, 2003 5:38 PM
> To: AccessD
> Cc: VBA
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections
>
>
> I am looking at implementing some classes that have defined functionality
> and properties.  However the class also needs a collection to hold other
> items (instances of a specific class.  I read about the idea of
subclassing
> a collection to define the object that the collection can hold by
overriding
> the Add method.  Is there any reason not to just go the whole way and make
> the collection class my object class.  IOW, add my methods and properties
to
> a subclassed collection class, naming the new class to MyObject.
>
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu May 15 22:19:01 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 20:19:01 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer
References: <000e01c31b29$3f5eeaa0$b274d0d5@andypc>
Message-ID: <01fb01c31b59$e593bdd0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Andy, Charlotte:

More problems - the report header has a LOT of info on it - sort selection,
data selections, etc.  The client will not want it repeated on each page.
For the moment they've decided it's not a big enough problem to spend more
time on.  It'll bubble to the top of the problem list some time in the
future.

Rocky



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 2:30 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer


> Yea I agree. That's what I had in mind Rocky. If that's not what you've
> got I should start over by setting Group Headers on then, as Charlotte
> says, set each one's ForceNewPage property to BeforeSection. And if you
> have a header do you mean it to appear only once, cos that's what the
> ReportHeader will do. Is it a title page? If so the ReportHesder's fine
> and yes it'll be on its own page. Otherwise stick it in the PageHeader.
>
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: 15 May 2003 20:55
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer
>
>
> The usual way to do this is to create a group header on that field and
> set the group header's  ForceNewPage property to BeforeSection.
>
> Charlotte Foust
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 9:44 AM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> I have a couple of reports which the client wants to page break on the
> major sort field.  SO I put a page break control in the section  the
> section footer which works just fine except I'm getting an extra blank
> page at the end of the report.
>
> Is there a way to suppress this last page?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
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From Alun.Garraway at otto.de  Fri May 16 02:17:26 2003
From: Alun.Garraway at otto.de (Garraway, Alun)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 09:17:26 +0200
Subject: AW: [AccessD] Quirk in append query
Message-ID: <9F7DD6E5DB1ED611B4B10002A542365C013AE373@ntovmail05.ov.otto.de>

FOUND IT :-)
Thanks for the replies.
good tip Andy, it wasn't directly another index
but the table has an n:1 join to another table, due to
records missing there, appending new data wasn't possible,
violation of the integrity rule.

sometimes a bit of sleep works wonders :-)
alun


-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 15. Mai 2003 19:56
An: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Betreff: RE: [AccessD] Quirk in append query


Welcome to the list Alun

IIRC the Access error says something about "index errors", not
specifically PK ones. Are you sure you hven't got another index which is
preventing these records appending?

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Garraway, Alun
> Sent: 15 May 2003 18:10
> To: Access DatabaseAdvisors (E-Mail)
> Subject: [AccessD] Quirk in append query
> 
> 
> hallo I'm new to the list and have a problem,
> 
> I have an append query the table with data that I'm trying to 
> append hass 19933 records. the table to which I want to 
> append to contains 18657 with a PK set to no duplicates.
> 
> that means the query *should* append 1276 new records, but 
> when I run the query, I get the warning from Access, due to 
> PK etc 19933 records could not be appended =:-O
> 
> does anybody have a "cure" for this illness?
> 
> using A2K with NT Network
> 
> TIA
> alun
> 
> 
> 
> Alun Garraway
> IM-IT Sonderprojekte LBB-ET-D1
> Tel. (040) 64 61 5573
> Fax (040) 64 64 5573
> mailto:alun.garraway at otto.de
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri May 16 02:50:52 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 08:50:52 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Norton AV 2003
In-Reply-To: <9F7DD6E5DB1ED611B4B10002A542365C013AE373@ntovmail05.ov.otto.de>
Message-ID: <001d01c31b7f$e0219680$b274d0d5@andypc>

Apologies in advance for the OT. I did at least wait for Friday, and it
does have a teensy bit of Access relevance.

I've a client with Norton AV 2000, wanting to go to 2003. He is,
however, nervous (always is) about any potential
problems/errors/bugs/crashes, especially after a recent LiveUpdate from
Norton caused Autocad to crash.

The other software run there is - W98, NT4 Server, Exchange Server 5.5,
Access 97, Word 97

Could anyone who runs NAV 2003 and any of the above please email me
off-list ( mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk ) to say either "yes,
NAV2003 and x run fine together" or "we had these problems running
NAV2003 and y". I imagine it'll be fine and dandy but without some
evidence to say so I'll get shot if he installs it and it bombs.

Many thanks

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri May 16 02:55:15 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 08:55:15 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour
Message-ID: <002301c31b80$7ca5a460$b274d0d5@andypc>

Why did the chicken cross the road ?......

SAEED AL SAHAF - Iraqi Head of Information
The chicken did not cross the road. This is a complete fabrication. We
do not even have a chicken.

GEORGE W BUSH
We don't care why the chicken crossed the road. We just want to know if
the chicken is on our side of the road or not. The chicken is either for
us or against us. There is no middle ground.

COLIN POWELL
Now to the left of the screen, you can clearly see the satellite image
of the chicken crossing the road.

TONY BLAIR
I agree with George.

HANS BLIX
We have reason to believe there is a chicken, but we have not yet been
allowed to have access to the other side of the road.

DR SEUSS
Did the chicken cross the road?
Did he cross it with a toad?
Yes, the chicken crossed the road, but why it crossed I've not been
told.

MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR
I envisage a world where all chickens will be free to cross roads
without having their motives called into question.

GRANDPA
In my day, we didn't ask why the chicken crossed the road. Somebody told
us the chicken crossed the road, and that was good enough.

OPRAH
Isn't that interesting? In a few moments, we will be listening to the
chicken tell, for the first time, the heart-warming story of how it
experienced a serious case of molting, and went on to accomplish its
dream of crossing the road.

JOHN LENNON
Imagine all the chickens in the world crossing roads together - in
peace.

ARISTOTLE
It is the nature of chickens to cross the road. 
 
KARL MARX
It was an historic inevitability.

RONALD REAGAN
What chicken?

SIGMUND FREUD
The fact that you are at all concerned that the chicken crossed the road
reveals your underlying sexual insecurity.

BILL GATES
eChicken2003 will not only cross roads, but will lay eggs, file your
important documents, and balance your checkbook - and internet explorer
is an integral part of eChicken.

ALBERT EINSTEIN
Did the chicken really cross the road, or did the road move beneath the
chicken?

BILL CLINTON
What is your definition of chicken?

COLONEL SANDERS
Did I miss one? 
 
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk <http://www.minstersystems.co.uk/> 



 


From Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK  Fri May 16 03:04:30 2003
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK (Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 09:04:30 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT HTML Authoring
In-Reply-To: <9F7DD6E5DB1ED611B4B10002A542365C013AE373@ntovmail05.ov.otto.de>
References: <9F7DD6E5DB1ED611B4B10002A542365C013AE373@ntovmail05.ov.otto.de>
Message-ID: <1053072270.3ec49b8ecabb5@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

Anyone know of a good simple HTML authoring tool that is free. Must be 
WYSIWYG. I am looking at free tools for students to use. Oh and cannot be 
Netscape.

Martin

From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Fri May 16 04:56:45 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 05:56:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Norton AV 2003
References: <001d01c31b7f$e0219680$b274d0d5@andypc>
Message-ID: <001f01c31b91$75e6be50$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

...I run Nav2003 with individual WXP/OXP workstations without any problems
...use their Corporate 8.0 version on W2K networks ...the Symantec site is
usually pretty up to date with any known bugs ...I have much more problems
with Windows than with Nav updates ...HTH :)

William Hindman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 3:50 AM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Norton AV 2003


> Apologies in advance for the OT. I did at least wait for Friday, and it
> does have a teensy bit of Access relevance.
>
> I've a client with Norton AV 2000, wanting to go to 2003. He is,
> however, nervous (always is) about any potential
> problems/errors/bugs/crashes, especially after a recent LiveUpdate from
> Norton caused Autocad to crash.
>
> The other software run there is - W98, NT4 Server, Exchange Server 5.5,
> Access 97, Word 97
>
> Could anyone who runs NAV 2003 and any of the above please email me
> off-list ( mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk ) to say either "yes,
> NAV2003 and x run fine together" or "we had these problems running
> NAV2003 and y". I imagine it'll be fine and dandy but without some
> evidence to say so I'll get shot if he installs it and it bombs.
>
> Many thanks
>
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri May 16 05:04:21 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 12:04:21 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Manual Database Synchronisation (Problems with GUID)
In-Reply-To: <200305152350.h4FNoPn28624@mail009.syd.optusnet.com.au>
References: <200305152350.h4FNoPn28624@mail009.syd.optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <3412208825.20030516120421@cactus.dk>

Hi Joshua

Welcome to the GUID Club!

First, look up the archives on "Why create a GUID", Dec. 2002.

Second, I did never receive a solution or suggestion to this simple
question: 

<quote>

Now, how can you use the function in a query to update an empty
replication-id field in a Jet table?
Jet SQL uses a strange syntax for GUID:

  = {guid {yourGUIDstring}}

However, this is not valid:

  = {guid GetGUIDString()}

</quote>

This is in essence the same question you have. Any takers?

/gustav


> Further to my post below, I have been playing with GUID's as primary keys and have run into a few problems.

> Firstly, the code "DoCmd.OpenForm "frm_MyForm", , , "theGUID = " & Me.txttheGUID does not work. 

> When I type "?Me.txttheGUID" into the debug window, it returns "???????", same result when I try CStr(me.txttheGUID)

> When I type in "?StringFromGUID(me.txtTheGUID)" it returns "{guid {1612A983-98E4-48CD-A3F1-4CDC78FF69A5}}", which is close, but I would have to then parse out the "{guid{}" section, and if I'm
> looking at doing this throughout the whole db, this could be a major headache.       

> (Interestingly, if I run "DoCmd.OpenForm "frm_MyForm", , , "theGUID = '{1612A983-98E4-48CD-A3F1-4CDC78FF69A5}'" it works perfectly) 

> So I jumped on Google and had a quick look around and came across this http://www.trigeminal.com/usenet/usenet011.asp?1033

> which basically lists all the reasons why its NOT a good idea to use GUID's as primary keys.

> I'm looking at going back to my original idea. (Using a random autonumber, and attaching a time-stamp to the end of that). But I thought I'd throw this back out there for discussion before I go
> ahead.

> ======= At 2003-05-13, 20:16:00 I wrote: =======

>>Group:
>>
>>Hoping someone may have a few ideas on this. I am in the process of setting up specifications for the modification of a clients database. The client has offices in five different locations around
>>the world, and a database that has been shared up until now using Access's in-built replication tool. At the end of each trading day, the database would be sent to the other offices, and they would
>>synchronise. The db has now grown to the size where this is not possible anymore (It weighs in at around 5 megabytes zipped up, and the offices that don't have the luxury of cable are starting to
>>complain). They wish to send only the new and updated records back and forth.
>>
>>Eventually they will be looking at a web-based solution, but this will not be happening for at least a year, if not more.
>>
>>My idea is to time-stamp each record when it is updated (or added), and then use this time stamp to determine which records need to be sent to the other offices. I have been assured that the
>>offices will "never" (I know that thats a dirty word) be working on the same record on the same day, so there will be no need to update on a field-by-field basis, I'll simply overwrite the whole
>>record with the updated information.
>>
>>In the meantime, my main concern with setting this up is how I handle the primary keys for records. Up until now, I have been a firm believer in using an autonumber for a primary key. Of course,
>>this will not be possible in this scenario. When a record is added to the system and sent to all the other offices, the primary keys will have to match, so that my code will be able to match up the
>>updated records when imported at the other end. The best idea I have come up with is to use a random autonumber, and attach a time-stamp to the end of that, and use it as a primary key. For there
>>to be a conflict, it would mean that two offices have generated a duplicate random autonumber at the exact same second. I'm quite happy with the odds of that never happening.
>>
>>I just thought I would throw this in there, with the hope that maybe someone has done something similar in the past. And of course, there is the likely possibility that I am missing some incredibly
>>easy way of doing this.


From subs at solution-providers.ie  Fri May 16 05:29:48 2003
From: subs at solution-providers.ie (Mark L. Breen)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 11:29:48 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
References: 	<E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F57@infoserver01.infostat.local><2835095835.20030514184341@cactus.dk>
	<000f01c31a49$4daf1340$b501010a@DAISY.local>
Message-ID: <00aa01c31b96$bf94cbf0$1b76fea9@D8TZHN0J>

Hello Guys,

In the format, I see you using a backslash after the dd and the mm prior to
the forward slash, I have never seen this done, what is is for?

Mark


----- Original Message -----
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 7:47 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


> >   Format(Date, "MM\/DD\/YYYY")
> > is the one to use. It will never fail.
> Gustav,
>
> I think that
>
> Format(Date, "YYYY\/MM\/DD")
>
> should never fail too.
>
> As for this: Format(Date, "DD\/MM\/YYYY") - as I wrote it will work
> correctly if day number is greater than 12... - of course it CANNOT be
> recommended for use...
>
> And I think that Format(Date, "YYYY\/MM\/DD") is easier to interpret for
> Europeans when they see the result of such formatting in SQL
expressions...
>
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 8:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
>
>
> > Hi Charlotte
> >
> > > I can't help it if what I meant and what I said don't coincide.
Didn't
> > > you see the disclaimer at the bottom of my post?  Oh, yeah, that's
> > > right.  I forgot about the disclaimer.   Hmmn. <VBG>
> >
> > > What I meant was that if you format it, you need to be sure the format
> > > corresponds to a US Date format, which is mm/dd/yyyy.
> >
> > Yes, Shamil, Charlotte is right:
> >
> >   Format(Date, "MM\/DD\/YYYY")
> >
> > is the one to use. It will never fail.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 7:54 AM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
> >
> >
> > > Hi Charlotte
> >
> > > Oops, Charlotte - totally confused after a hard night's sleep?
> >
> > > /gustav
> >
> >
> > >> That's assuming that the date is being inserted is in US format
> > >> already, as SQL requires.  If you format it, it may no longer be in
US
> > >> format.
> >
> > >> Charlotte Foust
> >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru]
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 2:30 AM
> > >> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
> >
> > >>> You might change your code in Access programming #2 to: db.Execute
> > >>> "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES ( #" &
Date
> >
> > >>> & "#, " & FlagCount & ") " which would show a lack of experience -
> > >>> and
> >
> > >>> then see if they change it to
> > >>> use:
> > >>> ---------------------------
> > >>> Dim strSQL As String
> > >>> strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES (
> > >>> #" & Date & "#, " & FlagCount & ") " db.Execute strSQL
> >
> > >> BTW, both are incorrect - instead of Date you should have used:
> >
> > >> Format(Date, "MM\/DD\/YYYY")
> >
> > >> or
> > >> Format(Date, "YYYY\/MM\/DD")
> >
> > >> even this
> >
> > >> Format(Date, "DD\/MM\/YYYY")
> > >> should work corectly if day number is greater than 12...
> >
> > >> Or was it a kind of trap-test?
> >
> > >> Shamil
> >
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri May 16 05:49:49 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 12:49:49 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
In-Reply-To: <00aa01c31b96$bf94cbf0$1b76fea9@D8TZHN0J>
References: 	<E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F57@infoserver01.infostat.local><2835095835.20030514184341@cactus.dk>
	<000f01c31a49$4daf1340$b501010a@DAISY.local>
	<00aa01c31b96$bf94cbf0$1b76fea9@D8TZHN0J>
Message-ID: <15514936367.20030516124949@cactus.dk>

Hi Mark

That's an (the) escape character telling that the next character must
be understood literally.

If this is not included, the slash is interpreted as the date
separator and Access replace it with the character from your local
setting which often can be a "-" or ".".

/gustav


> In the format, I see you using a backslash after the dd and the mm prior to
> the forward slash, I have never seen this done, what is is for?

> Mark

>> >   Format(Date, "MM\/DD\/YYYY")


From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Fri May 16 05:54:26 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 12:54:26 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
References: 	<E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F57@infoserver01.infostat.local><2835095835.20030514184341@cactus.dk><000f01c31a49$4daf1340$b501010a@DAISY.local>
	<00aa01c31b96$bf94cbf0$1b76fea9@D8TZHN0J>
Message-ID: <071001c31b99$961c7720$0300a8c0@S856>

this causes the next character (/) to be a text character
Lembit Soobik

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark L. Breen" <subs at solution-providers.ie>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


> Hello Guys,
> 
> In the format, I see you using a backslash after the dd and the mm prior to
> the forward slash, I have never seen this done, what is is for?
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 7:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
> 
> 
> > >   Format(Date, "MM\/DD\/YYYY")
> > > is the one to use. It will never fail.
> > Gustav,
> >
> > I think that
> >
> > Format(Date, "YYYY\/MM\/DD")
> >
> > should never fail too.
> >
> > As for this: Format(Date, "DD\/MM\/YYYY") - as I wrote it will work
> > correctly if day number is greater than 12... - of course it CANNOT be
> > recommended for use...
> >
> > And I think that Format(Date, "YYYY\/MM\/DD") is easier to interpret for
> > Europeans when they see the result of such formatting in SQL
> expressions...
> >
> > Shamil
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 8:43 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
> >
> >
> > > Hi Charlotte
> > >
> > > > I can't help it if what I meant and what I said don't coincide.
> Didn't
> > > > you see the disclaimer at the bottom of my post?  Oh, yeah, that's
> > > > right.  I forgot about the disclaimer.   Hmmn. <VBG>
> > >
> > > > What I meant was that if you format it, you need to be sure the format
> > > > corresponds to a US Date format, which is mm/dd/yyyy.
> > >
> > > Yes, Shamil, Charlotte is right:
> > >
> > >   Format(Date, "MM\/DD\/YYYY")
> > >
> > > is the one to use. It will never fail.
> > >
> > > /gustav
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 7:54 AM
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Charlotte
> > >
> > > > Oops, Charlotte - totally confused after a hard night's sleep?
> > >
> > > > /gustav
> > >
> > >
> > > >> That's assuming that the date is being inserted is in US format
> > > >> already, as SQL requires.  If you format it, it may no longer be in
> US
> > > >> format.
> > >
> > > >> Charlotte Foust
> > >
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru]
> > > >> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 2:30 AM
> > > >> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
> > >
> > > >>> You might change your code in Access programming #2 to: db.Execute
> > > >>> "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES ( #" &
> Date
> > >
> > > >>> & "#, " & FlagCount & ") " which would show a lack of experience -
> > > >>> and
> > >
> > > >>> then see if they change it to
> > > >>> use:
> > > >>> ---------------------------
> > > >>> Dim strSQL As String
> > > >>> strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES (
> > > >>> #" & Date & "#, " & FlagCount & ") " db.Execute strSQL
> > >
> > > >> BTW, both are incorrect - instead of Date you should have used:
> > >
> > > >> Format(Date, "MM\/DD\/YYYY")
> > >
> > > >> or
> > > >> Format(Date, "YYYY\/MM\/DD")
> > >
> > > >> even this
> > >
> > > >> Format(Date, "DD\/MM\/YYYY")
> > > >> should work corectly if day number is greater than 12...
> > >
> > > >> Or was it a kind of trap-test?
> > >
> > > >> Shamil
> > >
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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Fri May 16 06:30:39 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 07:30:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] 
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA303331A8@ADGSERVER>

To expand on Charlotte's explanation.  You need to use Property Let instead
of Property Set assuming that you really want to pass in a string.

So your example would be:

Private Property Let clubname(ByVal iname As String) 
	''set the attribute with the supplied name of the club
      mstr_clubname = iname
End Property

HTH,
Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 8:57 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] 


Property Set is used only for objects.  If you are passing in a string,
that string has to be used to instantiate an object, along the lines of
:

Set frm = forms(iname)

Here's a sample from help:

Property Set Pen(P As Object)
    Set CurrentPen = P    ' Assign Pen to object.
End Property

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Bruen [mailto:bbruen at bigpond.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 4:05 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] 


Dear List,

Given the following is as simple as it looks,  can anyone shed any light
on the compile error that it generates?

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
Private mstr_clubname As String

Private Property Set clubname(ByVal iname As String) <<<<----------error
here! ''set the attribute with the supplied name of the club
        Set mstr_clubname = iname
End Property

''returns the value of the clubname attribute
Public Property Get clubname() As String
        clubname = mstr_clubname
End Property


The compile error is "Definitions of property procedures for the same
property are inconsistent or contain optional parameters or a
ParamArray"

Not according to this little black duck!  I've even asked a colleague to
read the help file item on the error and she cant understand a word of
it either, not that I believe it applies in any case.  However, I have
deleted EVERY other pice of code in the class module and the error is
still there.

Tia
Bruce






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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Fri May 16 06:48:01 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 07:48:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85BE9@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Since you're using .NET you don't need variables of your various sub-class object types.  Just use the inheritance you now have available.  If your Car class inherits from the Door class (or vice-versa) you don't need a variable to have access to the inherited class methods and properties, you have direct access to the base class via the inheritance.  This sounds like what you're trying to accomplish, no?

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 9:26 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections


No, I was intending to add all of the Car functionality and properties into
a collection class subclassed (called) car, then add door classes into the
car collection class.  The alternative would be to build a car class, with a
colDoor as collection variable, then add the door classes into colDoor.

Using the first method, Car would have it's properties, color, weight etc.
Plus it would have an add method that accepted objects to add into the built
in collection.  The objects placed in this collection would be door classes.
The problem with doing this is that when referenced in place the syntax
would be deceiving.

Car(1) would actually reference a Door class stored in the collection when
it looks like a reference to some object stored in a car array.

Further if using an iterator, you would use something like:

for each door in car()
next door

Which actually isn't too bad.  However usually you would do something like:

For each door in car.colDoor()
next door

Still a little deceiving.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 8:28 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections


I think your example would more properly require a Door class and a Doors
collection class which you'd subclass into your Car class to provide the
same syntax (Car.Door(1).Handle).

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 8:14 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections


I absolutely understand what you are saying.  My thought was that part of
the functionality of this class was that it had to have a collection, thus
the "having a collection" was one of it's properties.  If I don't do what I
discussed, then I have to add a collection object variable.

However if thought of in terms of naming... let's just make up an example.

Let's call the class I am designing Car, and the objects placed in the
collection as doors.  If I don't use a variable pointing to a collection,
then the syntax to manipulate the doors (in place) would be Car(1).Handle
(for example).  If I use a variable, it would be Car.Door(1).Handle.  From
that perspective, the second (generally used) method is superior since the
first method makes readability obscure.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 7:53 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections


John,

Although it seems like it may be the same difference I think it breaks the
philosophy (if you will) of class development.  If you design your classes
to handle one set of functionality (as class definition normally calls for)
then this would dictate keeping the object and all its methods and
properties and its collection with its methods and properties separate.

Just my opinion but I'd keep them separate (and do).

Jim DeMarco
(from home)

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 5:38 PM
To: AccessD
Cc: VBA
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections


I am looking at implementing some classes that have defined functionality
and properties.  However the class also needs a collection to hold other
items (instances of a specific class.  I read about the idea of subclassing
a collection to define the object that the collection can hold by overriding
the Add method.  Is there any reason not to just go the whole way and make
the collection class my object class.  IOW, add my methods and properties to
a subclassed collection class, naming the new class to MyObject.

John W. Colby
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From mitsules_ms at nns.com  Fri May 16 07:05:50 2003
From: mitsules_ms at nns.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 08:05:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT HTML Authoring
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E293E3@nnse14.nns.com>

Although I can not give you a review of this product (I use notepad), here
is a link for you.

1st Page 2000
http://www.evrsoft.com/



Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK [mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK] 
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 4:05 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT HTML Authoring


Anyone know of a good simple HTML authoring tool that is free. Must be 
WYSIWYG. I am looking at free tools for students to use. Oh and cannot be 
Netscape.

Martin
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From COUTTSW at rjrt.com  Fri May 16 07:11:25 2003
From: COUTTSW at rjrt.com (Coutts, Welford L.)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 08:11:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro
Message-ID: <1731B69D9D03DB49881574BBECDE6CAC071F74@wsmailp1.rjr.com>

Dan,
 
I'll give it a try.  However, I'm having to educate myself on my own time since on my job assignments,
management wants me to continue using the tools which I have demonstrated I can produce
effective and efficient results.  So it may some time before I'm far enough into the book to do an adequate
evaluation.
 
Welford
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 9:26 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro


Welford,
 
This sounded very interesting so I looked at the reader comments on Amazon.  Two were very positive, two were very negative, and one
was from the author himself.  So, by reading those comments, I am confused by what the book offers.
 
Once you've had a chance to get into this book thoroughly, could you post a 'Book Report' for everyone on the list?  
 
Thanks!
Dan Waters
 

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Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 5:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro


Mark,
If you're starting with a background of Access/VBA/VB, as I am, you might take a look at    
"Programming Microsoft Visual Basic .NET for Microsoft Access Databases".
I just received it on Monday, and so far It is looking like what I need.  I had it shipped from
bookpool.com for $36.50 + shipping (lists for $59.99).  It is published by Microsoft Press 
and it's author is Rick Dobson.  ( ISBN 0-7356-1819-4 )
 
HTH
Welford Coutts

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Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 4:07 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro



I've noticed that Visual Studio.net has been a topic of discussion on this list recently.

I'm just beginning to dive into it, and am curious if anyone can recommend a good place to start learning.

Is there a preferred book or website that demonstrates how to create a simple .net application?  I am looking into asp.net, as I
want to start developing web applications that connect to SQL2K.

Any direction is greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks,

Mark Boyd

Sr. Systems Analyst

McBee Associates, Inc.

 



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From reische at mdh.org  Fri May 16 07:22:02 2003
From: reische at mdh.org (Reische, Brenda L.)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 07:22:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT HTML Authoring
Message-ID: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B48C86E3A@NEWMAN_EXC>

Html-kit is really nice

http://www.chami.com/html-kit/

Brenda Reische
Application Support Analyst
McDonough District Hospital

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From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK [mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK] 
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 3:05 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT HTML Authoring

Anyone know of a good simple HTML authoring tool that is free. Must be 
WYSIWYG. I am looking at free tools for students to use. Oh and cannot be 
Netscape.

Martin
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May 16 07:34:18 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 08:34:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Humor
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEGJDMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

What is the difference between a hormone and a vitamin?  
You can't hear a vitamin.

How many Californians does it take to screw in a light bulb?
Don't be ridiculous, Californians screw in hot tubs.

John W. Colby
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From Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK  Fri May 16 07:37:50 2003
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK (Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 13:37:50 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT HTML Authoring
In-Reply-To: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E293E3@nnse14.nns.com>
References: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E293E3@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <1053088670.3ec4db9e22f8e@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

Thanks MArk. Tried that and it seems to be of the market as the downloads dont 
work.

Anyone know if the editor that came with IE is still available??

Martin

Quoting "Mitsules, Mark" <mitsules_ms at nns.com>:

> Although I can not give you a review of this product (I use notepad),
> here
> is a link for you.
> 
> 1st Page 2000
> http://www.evrsoft.com/
> 
> 
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
> [mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK] 
> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 4:05 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT HTML Authoring
> 
> 
> Anyone know of a good simple HTML authoring tool that is free. Must be
> 
> WYSIWYG. I am looking at free tools for students to use. Oh and cannot
> be 
> Netscape.
> 
> Martin
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From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca  Fri May 16 07:44:57 2003
From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 08:44:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT HTML Authoring
Message-ID: <sec4a512.056@cbc.ca>

It's great but not WYSIWYG.

I used to use it before I got hooked on Dreamweaver.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

>>> mitsules_ms at nns.com 16-May-03 8:05:50 AM >>>
Although I can not give you a review of this product (I use notepad), here
is a link for you.

1st Page 2000
http://www.evrsoft.com/ 



Mark


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Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 4:05 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] OT HTML Authoring


Anyone know of a good simple HTML authoring tool that is free. Must be 
WYSIWYG. I am looking at free tools for students to use. Oh and cannot be 
Netscape.

Martin



From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca  Fri May 16 07:53:20 2003
From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 08:53:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT HTML Authoring
Message-ID: <sec4a70f.074@cbc.ca>

Found a download site for it.

http://economia.unipv.it/download/download/applicazioni/testo%20e%20web/files/1stpage2.zip

But it's not WYSWIG. There is a preview mode, but you edit the actual code.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

>>> Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK 16-May-03 8:37:50 AM >>>
Thanks MArk. Tried that and it seems to be of the market as the downloads dont 
work.

Anyone know if the editor that came with IE is still available??




From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Fri May 16 08:09:31 2003
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 08:09:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 
Message-ID: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB2338C795@TAPPEEXCH01>

Bryan,
They CAN be different (at least in VB, I haven't tried it in Access).
If you want a property that is read only to code outside of your class, you
make the Set (or Let) statement Private, and the Get statement Public.


-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca]
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 7:18 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] 


On 16 May 2003 at 10:05, Bruce Bruen wrote:

> Private Property Set clubname(ByVal iname As String)

> Public Property Get clubname() As String

Bruce,

Your Property Set is Private while your Property Get is public.

They can't be different. So you need to change one or the other.

--
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri May 16 08:30:38 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 15:30:38 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT HTML Authoring
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Hi Brenda

Looks nice but at USD 55.00 it isn't exactly free ...

/gustav


> Html-kit is really nice

> http://www.chami.com/html-kit/


From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca  Fri May 16 08:56:03 2003
From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 09:56:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD]
Message-ID: <sec4b5b7.038@cbc.ca>

You're right.

That should tell you how long it has been since I have done any Access Development.

PHP WebDev has been consuming my time these days.

Sigh.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca 

>>> BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com 16-May-03 9:09:31 AM >>>
Bryan,
They CAN be different (at least in VB, I haven't tried it in Access).
If you want a property that is read only to code outside of your class, you
make the Set (or Let) statement Private, and the Get statement Public.


-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca] 
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 7:18 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] 


On 16 May 2003 at 10:05, Bruce Bruen wrote:

> Private Property Set clubname(ByVal iname As String)

> Public Property Get clubname() As String

Bruce,

Your Property Set is Private while your Property Get is public.

They can't be different. So you need to change one or the other.

--
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From reische at mdh.org  Fri May 16 09:19:09 2003
From: reische at mdh.org (Reische, Brenda L.)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 09:19:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT HTML Authoring
Message-ID: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B48C86E3E@NEWMAN_EXC>

Gustav,

>From what I thought, the standard version (which is VERY nice) is free...

I have sent Chami an email to clarify the price / free issue.  I'll let you
know when he replies.

I guess since I've had it for a couple of years, I've always had a beta
version...

Brenda

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 8:31 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT HTML Authoring

Hi Brenda

Looks nice but at USD 55.00 it isn't exactly free ...

/gustav


> Html-kit is really nice

> http://www.chami.com/html-kit/

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri May 16 09:25:04 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 09:25:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro
In-Reply-To: <1731B69D9D03DB49881574BBECDE6CAC071F74@wsmailp1.rjr.com>
Message-ID: <002a01c31bb6$f47daa60$de1811d8@DanWaters>

No problem!
 
Since I'm just about to try to upsize an Access database to an ADP for the
first time, it will be quite a while before I'm ready to tackle .NET.
 
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Coutts, Welford
L.
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 6:11 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro


Dan,
 
I'll give it a try.  However, I'm having to educate myself on my own time
since on my job assignments,
management wants me to continue using the tools which I have demonstrated I
can produce
effective and efficient results.  So it may some time before I'm far enough
into the book to do an adequate
evaluation.
 
Welford
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 9:26 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro


Welford,
 
This sounded very interesting so I looked at the reader comments on Amazon.
Two were very positive, two were very negative, and one was from the author
himself.  So, by reading those comments, I am confused by what the book
offers.
 
Once you've had a chance to get into this book thoroughly, could you post a
'Book Report' for everyone on the list?  
 
Thanks!
Dan Waters
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Coutts, Welford
L.
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 5:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro


Mark,
If you're starting with a background of Access/VBA/VB, as I am, you might
take a look at    
"Programming Microsoft Visual Basic .NET for Microsoft Access Databases".
I just received it on Monday, and so far It is looking like what I need.  I
had it shipped from
bookpool.com for $36.50 + shipping (lists for $59.99).  It is published by
Microsoft Press 
and it's author is Rick Dobson.  ( ISBN 0-7356-1819-4 )
 
HTH
Welford Coutts

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Boyd [mailto:MarkBoyd at mcbeeassociates.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 4:07 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro



I've noticed that Visual Studio.net has been a topic of discussion on this
list recently.

I'm just beginning to dive into it, and am curious if anyone can recommend a
good place to start learning.

Is there a preferred book or website that demonstrates how to create a
simple .net application?  I am looking into asp.net, as I want to start
developing web applications that connect to SQL2K.

Any direction is greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks,

Mark Boyd

Sr. Systems Analyst

McBee Associates, Inc.

 



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From reische at mdh.org  Fri May 16 09:51:09 2003
From: reische at mdh.org (Reische, Brenda L.)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 09:51:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT HTML Authoring
Message-ID: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B48C86E3F@NEWMAN_EXC>


Hi Brenda,

The standard version of HTML-Kit is free under the Personal License, which
basically means that the person who will be using it has to visit the
HTML-Kit site, read/accept the Personal license, download and install it on
his/her home/school/work computer. Redistribution and/or mass installation
is not permitted under this license, so in a classroom setting what that
means is that the individual students have to follow the above steps and
install it on the class computers at the beginning of the course to qualfy
for the Personal license. But if the school (not the individual students)
wants to install it in the classrooms, that would require a multi-seat
educational license.

The registration includes a few extras such as the table designer
(http://www.chami.com/html-kit/pro/), but the above is the main difference
in your case. Please let me know if you have any other questions.

Regards,
HTML-Kit Support
http://www.chami.com/html-kit/support/


-----Original Message-----
From: Reische, Brenda L. [mailto:reische at mdh.org]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 9:06 AM
To: 'html-kit at chamisplace.Com'
Subject: Free or $55 ??


Is the standard version of HTML-Kit free, or is it shareware with a $55
registration if the user it likes and decides to use it?



I have been recommending your software and sending people the link to your
web site to get their own copy, and wanted to make sure I have the story
straight as far as price before I misspeak.



You have a very nice product.  It is worth $55, that's not the issue --
just wanted to make sure I don't mislead this friend of mine when I
suggest that his students use HTML-Kit as a free editor when it's not really
free.



Thanks in advance,



Brenda Reische

Application Support Analyst

McDonough District Hospital

525 E Grant Macomb, IL 61455

309.833.4101 www.mdh.org



From bbruen at bigpond.com  Fri May 16 10:05:13 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 01:05:13 +1000
Subject: [AccessD]
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85BE8@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <000001c31bbc$8fda35f0$7300a8c0@bbb888>

Doh! (Bashes head against keyboard repeatedly) Doh! Doh!

Thanks folks,  I should have been looking at the code - NOT the error
message.  

However, re Bryan's comment - why can't the attribute value setting code
be private - fundamentally it's an attribute that <u>cannot</u> be
updated via this interface, but it does need to be visible to users of
the class.  In this case the clubname is retrieved internally in the
class - it is a header for the object.

I don't believe that the public get/private let construct is
syntactically incorrect.  However, is it philosophically incorrect?  I
could just set the class variable directly I suppose, in the class logic
that retrieves the clubname from the database. But surely that gets away
from the idea of a single  update point for the attribute/class
variable.

FYI, the class is intended to support an object which is a list of teams
submitted to a sports league for inclusion in a seasonal competition.
The user can manipulate the list part to their hearts content, adding,
changing, deleting teams until they are happy.  They then use a
"transmit" operation that generates an XML doc of the list and sends
that to the league.  The XML doc is structured as follows:

<XML blahblah>
	<header>
		<Sender name="their_usersname", id="their_digitalsigid"
/>
		<Club name="the clubname of the users club" />
	</header>
	<teamlist>
		<team name="PigRooters" grade="veterans" />
		<team name="Assassins" grade="Under8" />
		... Etc
	</teamlist>
</XML blahblah>

So, that is the reason the clubname is readonly for this particular
interface, we don't want users having any chance of changing the club
identifier (the club name).

Anyway, thanks again for taking the time to point out the obvious error.

Rgrds
Bruce
		

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 10:37 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD]


Could it be from using Set to assign a String?  Try using a Property Let
instead (without the Set statement).

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Bruen [mailto:bbruen at bigpond.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 8:05 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] 


Dear List,

Given the following is as simple as it looks,  can anyone shed any light
on the compile error that it generates?

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
Private mstr_clubname As String

Private Property Set clubname(ByVal iname As String) <<<<----------error
here! ''set the attribute with the supplied name of the club
        Set mstr_clubname = iname
End Property

''returns the value of the clubname attribute
Public Property Get clubname() As String
        clubname = mstr_clubname
End Property


The compile error is "Definitions of property procedures for the same
property are inconsistent or contain optional parameters or a
ParamArray"

Not according to this little black duck!  I've even asked a colleague to
read the help file item on the error and she cant understand a word of
it either, not that I believe it applies in any case.  However, I have
deleted EVERY other pice of code in the class module and the error is
still there.

Tia
Bruce






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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May 16 10:31:21 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 11:31:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEHADMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Just a heads up for anyone looking for a new box.  Dell is having a sale.
Cheapest I can get is $466:

Dimension 2350 Series
Intel? Pentium? 4 Processor at 2.20GHz with 512K L2 Cache

 Qty: 1
 Price: $539.00

    Date: Friday, May 16, 2003 10:27:05 AM CDT
    Catalog Number: 4 04
Dimension 2350 Series:   Intel? Pentium? 4 Processor at 2.20GHz with 512K L2
Cache   DX2322   [221-1776]
Memory:   128MB DDR-SDRAM   128M   [311-1648]
Keyboard:   Dell? Quietkey? Keyboard   QK   [310-1582]
Monitor:   No Monitor   N   [320-3000]
Video Card:   Integrated Intel? Extreme 3D Graphics   IV   [430-3900]
Hard Drive:   FREE UPGRADE! 60GB Ultra ATA/100 7200RPM Hard Drive   60P
[461-9796]
Floppy Drive and Additional Storage Devices:   No Floppy Drive   NFD
[340-8688]
Operating System:   Microsoft? Windows? XP Professional??   WPXP
[313-7222] [412-0309] [420-1922]
Mouse:   Dell? 2-button scroll mouse   SM   [310-1871]
Network Interface:   Integrated 10/100 Ethernet   IN   [430-0441]
Modem:   No Modem Requested   N   [313-3607]
CD or DVD Drive:   48x Max CD-ROM Drive   CD48   [313-1476]
Sound Card:   Integrated Audio   IS   [313-0847]
Speakers:   No Speaker Option   N   [313-4514]
Bundled Software:   WordPerfect? Productivity Pack with Quicken New User
Edition   COREL   [412-0302]
Security Software:   Dell SecurityCenter by McAfee, 90-day introductory
offer   MCAFE90   [412-0326]
Digital Music:   Dell Jukebox powered by MUSICMATCH   MMBASE   [412-0298]
Digital Photography:   Dell Picture Studio Image Expert Standard   DPS
[412-0271] [412-0273]
Limited Warranty, Services and Support Options:   1 Year Limited Warranty
plus 1 Year On-site Service   AUY111   [412-0360] [900-9054] [950-7960]
Dial-Up Internet Access:   FREE 6 Months of AOL Internet Access   AOLSMB
[412-0371] [412-0368]
Multi-Media Players:   RealOne? Player, with 14 day SuperPass trial
REALBAS   [412-0380]

They show the price as $539 but in the checkout line they subtract $48 for a
coupon - 43C49AB1D6C5 and a $50 "rebate", for a final price of 466.51.  Box
only, no monitor, no floppy, 128mb ram.

Not a bad price!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Fri May 16 10:37:14 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 11:37:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85BEF@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Yes it's a good idea to keep an eye on Dell and Gateway.  They're both pumping out low cost machines.  The configurations change frequently too so if you don't like what they're offering check back.  I just got a P4 (I think 2.0 GHz) with free upgrades to 256MB RAM, 30 GB HD (small but I can upgrade it cheaply if necessary) and 19" monitor for $599 after $100 rebate - $100 to ship though :-(.

Jim DeMarco



-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 11:31 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale


Just a heads up for anyone looking for a new box.  Dell is having a sale.
Cheapest I can get is $466:

Dimension 2350 Series
Intel? Pentium? 4 Processor at 2.20GHz with 512K L2 Cache

 Qty: 1
 Price: $539.00

    Date: Friday, May 16, 2003 10:27:05 AM CDT
    Catalog Number: 4 04
Dimension 2350 Series:   Intel? Pentium? 4 Processor at 2.20GHz with 512K L2
Cache   DX2322   [221-1776]
Memory:   128MB DDR-SDRAM   128M   [311-1648]
Keyboard:   Dell? Quietkey? Keyboard   QK   [310-1582]
Monitor:   No Monitor   N   [320-3000]
Video Card:   Integrated Intel? Extreme 3D Graphics   IV   [430-3900]
Hard Drive:   FREE UPGRADE! 60GB Ultra ATA/100 7200RPM Hard Drive   60P
[461-9796]
Floppy Drive and Additional Storage Devices:   No Floppy Drive   NFD
[340-8688]
Operating System:   Microsoft? Windows? XP Professional??   WPXP
[313-7222] [412-0309] [420-1922]
Mouse:   Dell? 2-button scroll mouse   SM   [310-1871]
Network Interface:   Integrated 10/100 Ethernet   IN   [430-0441]
Modem:   No Modem Requested   N   [313-3607]
CD or DVD Drive:   48x Max CD-ROM Drive   CD48   [313-1476]
Sound Card:   Integrated Audio   IS   [313-0847]
Speakers:   No Speaker Option   N   [313-4514]
Bundled Software:   WordPerfect? Productivity Pack with Quicken New User
Edition   COREL   [412-0302]
Security Software:   Dell SecurityCenter by McAfee, 90-day introductory
offer   MCAFE90   [412-0326]
Digital Music:   Dell Jukebox powered by MUSICMATCH   MMBASE   [412-0298]
Digital Photography:   Dell Picture Studio Image Expert Standard   DPS
[412-0271] [412-0273]
Limited Warranty, Services and Support Options:   1 Year Limited Warranty
plus 1 Year On-site Service   AUY111   [412-0360] [900-9054] [950-7960]
Dial-Up Internet Access:   FREE 6 Months of AOL Internet Access   AOLSMB
[412-0371] [412-0368]
Multi-Media Players:   RealOne(tm) Player, with 14 day SuperPass trial
REALBAS   [412-0380]

They show the price as $539 but in the checkout line they subtract $48 for a
coupon - 43C49AB1D6C5 and a $50 "rebate", for a final price of 466.51.  Box
only, no monitor, no floppy, 128mb ram.

Not a bad price!

John W. Colby
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From delliker at hotmail.com  Fri May 16 11:00:03 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 12:00:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale
Message-ID: <Law12-F22pj5vqt5xv500023bc8@hotmail.com>

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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Fri May 16 11:52:29 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 11:52:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale
Message-ID: <BAY2-F26eabpAprqFpy00002dd7@hotmail.com>

And with Windows XP Pro even. Amazing.  I guess it might finally be time to 
retire my PII-400 box.

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com



>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale
>Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 11:31:21 -0400
>
>Just a heads up for anyone looking for a new box.  Dell is having a sale.
>Cheapest I can get is $466:
>
>Dimension 2350 Series
>Intel? Pentium? 4 Processor at 2.20GHz with 512K L2 Cache
>
>  Qty: 1
>  Price: $539.00
>
>     Date: Friday, May 16, 2003 10:27:05 AM CDT
>     Catalog Number: 4 04
>Dimension 2350 Series:   Intel? Pentium? 4 Processor at 2.20GHz with 512K 
>L2
>Cache   DX2322   [221-1776]
>Memory:   128MB DDR-SDRAM   128M   [311-1648]
>Keyboard:   Dell? Quietkey? Keyboard   QK   [310-1582]
>Monitor:   No Monitor   N   [320-3000]
>Video Card:   Integrated Intel? Extreme 3D Graphics   IV   [430-3900]
>Hard Drive:   FREE UPGRADE! 60GB Ultra ATA/100 7200RPM Hard Drive   60P
>[461-9796]
>Floppy Drive and Additional Storage Devices:   No Floppy Drive   NFD
>[340-8688]
>Operating System:   Microsoft? Windows? XP Professional??   WPXP
>[313-7222] [412-0309] [420-1922]
>Mouse:   Dell? 2-button scroll mouse   SM   [310-1871]
>Network Interface:   Integrated 10/100 Ethernet   IN   [430-0441]
>Modem:   No Modem Requested   N   [313-3607]
>CD or DVD Drive:   48x Max CD-ROM Drive   CD48   [313-1476]
>Sound Card:   Integrated Audio   IS   [313-0847]
>Speakers:   No Speaker Option   N   [313-4514]
>Bundled Software:   WordPerfect? Productivity Pack with Quicken New User
>Edition   COREL   [412-0302]
>Security Software:   Dell SecurityCenter by McAfee, 90-day introductory
>offer   MCAFE90   [412-0326]
>Digital Music:   Dell Jukebox powered by MUSICMATCH   MMBASE   [412-0298]
>Digital Photography:   Dell Picture Studio Image Expert Standard   DPS
>[412-0271] [412-0273]
>Limited Warranty, Services and Support Options:   1 Year Limited Warranty
>plus 1 Year On-site Service   AUY111   [412-0360] [900-9054] [950-7960]
>Dial-Up Internet Access:   FREE 6 Months of AOL Internet Access   AOLSMB
>[412-0371] [412-0368]
>Multi-Media Players:   RealOne? Player, with 14 day SuperPass trial
>REALBAS   [412-0380]
>
>They show the price as $539 but in the checkout line they subtract $48 for 
>a
>coupon - 43C49AB1D6C5 and a $50 "rebate", for a final price of 466.51.  Box
>only, no monitor, no floppy, 128mb ram.
>
>Not a bad price!
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri May 16 13:06:47 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 11:06:47 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEHADMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00c701c31bd5$eaf5b0e0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

I wish you wouldn't do that John.  I need another computer like a third leg.
But so hard not to get one at these prices. And they keep sending me these
catalogs and emails.  The damn stuff is essentially free at this point.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 8:31 AM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale


> Just a heads up for anyone looking for a new box.  Dell is having a sale.
> Cheapest I can get is $466:
>
> Dimension 2350 Series
> Intel? Pentium? 4 Processor at 2.20GHz with 512K L2 Cache
>
>  Qty: 1
>  Price: $539.00
>
>     Date: Friday, May 16, 2003 10:27:05 AM CDT
>     Catalog Number: 4 04
> Dimension 2350 Series:   Intel? Pentium? 4 Processor at 2.20GHz with 512K
L2
> Cache   DX2322   [221-1776]
> Memory:   128MB DDR-SDRAM   128M   [311-1648]
> Keyboard:   Dell? Quietkey? Keyboard   QK   [310-1582]
> Monitor:   No Monitor   N   [320-3000]
> Video Card:   Integrated Intel? Extreme 3D Graphics   IV   [430-3900]
> Hard Drive:   FREE UPGRADE! 60GB Ultra ATA/100 7200RPM Hard Drive   60P
> [461-9796]
> Floppy Drive and Additional Storage Devices:   No Floppy Drive   NFD
> [340-8688]
> Operating System:   Microsoft? Windows? XP Professional??   WPXP
> [313-7222] [412-0309] [420-1922]
> Mouse:   Dell? 2-button scroll mouse   SM   [310-1871]
> Network Interface:   Integrated 10/100 Ethernet   IN   [430-0441]
> Modem:   No Modem Requested   N   [313-3607]
> CD or DVD Drive:   48x Max CD-ROM Drive   CD48   [313-1476]
> Sound Card:   Integrated Audio   IS   [313-0847]
> Speakers:   No Speaker Option   N   [313-4514]
> Bundled Software:   WordPerfect? Productivity Pack with Quicken New User
> Edition   COREL   [412-0302]
> Security Software:   Dell SecurityCenter by McAfee, 90-day introductory
> offer   MCAFE90   [412-0326]
> Digital Music:   Dell Jukebox powered by MUSICMATCH   MMBASE   [412-0298]
> Digital Photography:   Dell Picture Studio Image Expert Standard   DPS
> [412-0271] [412-0273]
> Limited Warranty, Services and Support Options:   1 Year Limited Warranty
> plus 1 Year On-site Service   AUY111   [412-0360] [900-9054] [950-7960]
> Dial-Up Internet Access:   FREE 6 Months of AOL Internet Access   AOLSMB
> [412-0371] [412-0368]
> Multi-Media Players:   RealOneT Player, with 14 day SuperPass trial
> REALBAS   [412-0380]
>
> They show the price as $539 but in the checkout line they subtract $48 for
a
> coupon - 43C49AB1D6C5 and a $50 "rebate", for a final price of 466.51.
Box
> only, no monitor, no floppy, 128mb ram.
>
> Not a bad price!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May 16 13:25:55 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 14:25:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale
In-Reply-To: <00c701c31bd5$eaf5b0e0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEHGDMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I know what you mean.  I have an old dual PII 233 that I use as my server.
But for $460 delivered to my door it's hard not to think about upgrading.
But it doesn't need more power.  But it's soooo cheap.  But I don't need it.
But...

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 2:07 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale


I wish you wouldn't do that John.  I need another computer like a third leg.
But so hard not to get one at these prices. And they keep sending me these
catalogs and emails.  The damn stuff is essentially free at this point.

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 8:31 AM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale


> Just a heads up for anyone looking for a new box.  Dell is having a sale.
> Cheapest I can get is $466:
>
> Dimension 2350 Series
> Intel? Pentium? 4 Processor at 2.20GHz with 512K L2 Cache
>
>  Qty: 1
>  Price: $539.00
>
>     Date: Friday, May 16, 2003 10:27:05 AM CDT
>     Catalog Number: 4 04
> Dimension 2350 Series:   Intel? Pentium? 4 Processor at 2.20GHz with 512K
L2
> Cache   DX2322   [221-1776]
> Memory:   128MB DDR-SDRAM   128M   [311-1648]
> Keyboard:   Dell? Quietkey? Keyboard   QK   [310-1582]
> Monitor:   No Monitor   N   [320-3000]
> Video Card:   Integrated Intel? Extreme 3D Graphics   IV   [430-3900]
> Hard Drive:   FREE UPGRADE! 60GB Ultra ATA/100 7200RPM Hard Drive   60P
> [461-9796]
> Floppy Drive and Additional Storage Devices:   No Floppy Drive   NFD
> [340-8688]
> Operating System:   Microsoft? Windows? XP Professional??   WPXP
> [313-7222] [412-0309] [420-1922]
> Mouse:   Dell? 2-button scroll mouse   SM   [310-1871]
> Network Interface:   Integrated 10/100 Ethernet   IN   [430-0441]
> Modem:   No Modem Requested   N   [313-3607]
> CD or DVD Drive:   48x Max CD-ROM Drive   CD48   [313-1476]
> Sound Card:   Integrated Audio   IS   [313-0847]
> Speakers:   No Speaker Option   N   [313-4514]
> Bundled Software:   WordPerfect? Productivity Pack with Quicken New User
> Edition   COREL   [412-0302]
> Security Software:   Dell SecurityCenter by McAfee, 90-day introductory
> offer   MCAFE90   [412-0326]
> Digital Music:   Dell Jukebox powered by MUSICMATCH   MMBASE   [412-0298]
> Digital Photography:   Dell Picture Studio Image Expert Standard   DPS
> [412-0271] [412-0273]
> Limited Warranty, Services and Support Options:   1 Year Limited Warranty
> plus 1 Year On-site Service   AUY111   [412-0360] [900-9054] [950-7960]
> Dial-Up Internet Access:   FREE 6 Months of AOL Internet Access   AOLSMB
> [412-0371] [412-0368]
> Multi-Media Players:   RealOneT Player, with 14 day SuperPass trial
> REALBAS   [412-0380]
>
> They show the price as $539 but in the checkout line they subtract $48 for
a
> coupon - 43C49AB1D6C5 and a $50 "rebate", for a final price of 466.51.
Box
> only, no monitor, no floppy, 128mb ram.
>
> Not a bad price!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


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From Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK  Fri May 16 12:55:14 2003
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK (Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 18:55:14 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT HTML Authoring
In-Reply-To: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B48C86E3F@NEWMAN_EXC>
References: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B48C86E3F@NEWMAN_EXC>
Message-ID: <1053107714.3ec526023ba96@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

I need to install it on almost 4,000 PCs. So it has to be free.

Martin

Quoting "Reische, Brenda L." <reische at mdh.org>:

> 
> Hi Brenda,
> 
> The standard version of HTML-Kit is free under the Personal License,
> which
> basically means that the person who will be using it has to visit the
> HTML-Kit site, read/accept the Personal license, download and install it
> on
> his/her home/school/work computer. Redistribution and/or mass
> installation
> is not permitted under this license, so in a classroom setting what
> that
> means is that the individual students have to follow the above steps
> and
> install it on the class computers at the beginning of the course to
> qualfy
> for the Personal license. But if the school (not the individual
> students)
> wants to install it in the classrooms, that would require a multi-seat
> educational license.
> 
> The registration includes a few extras such as the table designer
> (http://www.chami.com/html-kit/pro/), but the above is the main
> difference
> in your case. Please let me know if you have any other questions.
> 
> Regards,
> HTML-Kit Support
> http://www.chami.com/html-kit/support/
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Reische, Brenda L. [mailto:reische at mdh.org]
> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 9:06 AM
> To: 'html-kit at chamisplace.Com'
> Subject: Free or $55 ??
> 
> 
> Is the standard version of HTML-Kit free, or is it shareware with a
> $55
> registration if the user it likes and decides to use it?
> 
> 
> 
> I have been recommending your software and sending people the link to
> your
> web site to get their own copy, and wanted to make sure I have the
> story
> straight as far as price before I misspeak.
> 
> 
> 
> You have a very nice product.  It is worth $55, that's not the issue
> --
> just wanted to make sure I don't mislead this friend of mine when I
> suggest that his students use HTML-Kit as a free editor when it's not
> really
> free.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> 
> 
> Brenda Reische
> 
> Application Support Analyst
> 
> McDonough District Hospital
> 
> 525 E Grant Macomb, IL 61455
> 
> 309.833.4101 www.mdh.org
> 
> 
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> 

From todd_5036 at msn.com  Fri May 16 13:29:04 2003
From: todd_5036 at msn.com (Todd Buttrey)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 13:29:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale
Message-ID: <BAY4-F26XKp3PuZ91Bo0002bd4f@hotmail.com>

You don't need a third leg?


----Original Message Follows----
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 11:06:47 -0700

I wish you wouldn't do that John.  I need another computer like a third leg.
But so hard not to get one at these prices. And they keep sending me these
catalogs and emails.  The damn stuff is essentially free at this point.

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 8:31 AM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale


 > Just a heads up for anyone looking for a new box.  Dell is having a sale.
 > Cheapest I can get is $466:
 >
 > Dimension 2350 Series
 > Intel? Pentium? 4 Processor at 2.20GHz with 512K L2 Cache
 >
 >  Qty: 1
 >  Price: $539.00
 >
 >     Date: Friday, May 16, 2003 10:27:05 AM CDT
 >     Catalog Number: 4 04
 > Dimension 2350 Series:   Intel? Pentium? 4 Processor at 2.20GHz with 512K
L2
 > Cache   DX2322   [221-1776]
 > Memory:   128MB DDR-SDRAM   128M   [311-1648]
 > Keyboard:   Dell? Quietkey? Keyboard   QK   [310-1582]
 > Monitor:   No Monitor   N   [320-3000]
 > Video Card:   Integrated Intel? Extreme 3D Graphics   IV   [430-3900]
 > Hard Drive:   FREE UPGRADE! 60GB Ultra ATA/100 7200RPM Hard Drive   60P
 > [461-9796]
 > Floppy Drive and Additional Storage Devices:   No Floppy Drive   NFD
 > [340-8688]
 > Operating System:   Microsoft? Windows? XP Professional??   WPXP
 > [313-7222] [412-0309] [420-1922]
 > Mouse:   Dell? 2-button scroll mouse   SM   [310-1871]
 > Network Interface:   Integrated 10/100 Ethernet   IN   [430-0441]
 > Modem:   No Modem Requested   N   [313-3607]
 > CD or DVD Drive:   48x Max CD-ROM Drive   CD48   [313-1476]
 > Sound Card:   Integrated Audio   IS   [313-0847]
 > Speakers:   No Speaker Option   N   [313-4514]
 > Bundled Software:   WordPerfect? Productivity Pack with Quicken New User
 > Edition   COREL   [412-0302]
 > Security Software:   Dell SecurityCenter by McAfee, 90-day introductory
 > offer   MCAFE90   [412-0326]
 > Digital Music:   Dell Jukebox powered by MUSICMATCH   MMBASE   [412-0298]
 > Digital Photography:   Dell Picture Studio Image Expert Standard   DPS
 > [412-0271] [412-0273]
 > Limited Warranty, Services and Support Options:   1 Year Limited Warranty
 > plus 1 Year On-site Service   AUY111   [412-0360] [900-9054] [950-7960]
 > Dial-Up Internet Access:   FREE 6 Months of AOL Internet Access   AOLSMB
 > [412-0371] [412-0368]
 > Multi-Media Players:   RealOneT Player, with 14 day SuperPass trial
 > REALBAS   [412-0380]
 >
 > They show the price as $539 but in the checkout line they subtract $48 
for
a
 > coupon - 43C49AB1D6C5 and a $50 "rebate", for a final price of 466.51.
Box
 > only, no monitor, no floppy, 128mb ram.
 >
 > Not a bad price!
 >
 > John W. Colby
 > www.colbyconsulting.com
 >
 >
 > _______________________________________________
 > AccessD mailing list
 > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
 > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
 > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


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From jscott at mchsi.com  Fri May 16 13:29:52 2003
From: jscott at mchsi.com (jscott at mchsi.com)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 18:29:52 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Question
Message-ID: <200305161829.h4GITng27436@databaseadvisors.com>

Can anyone tell me why when I use an inner join on the below query I get 
records back from Table A and Table B but when I use a left join I get no 
records from Table B - even though they appeared when I used the inner join. In 
other words:

Record 1 exists in both Table A and Table B. Using an inner join I get Record 1
Using a left join brings me back no records!

I need to return the records like this

Record 1 exists in both tables - returns record 1 using left outer join
Record 2 only exists in Table A - returns record 2 using left outer join

I've written left joins thousands of times - what is so different about this 
time???

SQL using Left Join
SELECT tblCompany.CoID, qrySubmits_CollectingCoMaxSubmit.MaxOfSubmittedDt, 
qrySubmits_CollectingCoMaxSubmit.CollectingCoID
FROM tblCompany LEFT JOIN qrySubmits_CollectingCoMaxSubmit ON tblCompany.CoID = 
qrySubmits_CollectingCoMaxSubmit.CollectingCoID;

SQL using Inner Join
SELECT tblCompany.CoID, qrySubmits_CollectingCoMaxSubmit.MaxOfSubmittedDt, 
qrySubmits_CollectingCoMaxSubmit.CollectingCoID
FROM tblCompany INNER JOIN qrySubmits_CollectingCoMaxSubmit ON tblCompany.CoID 
= qrySubmits_CollectingCoMaxSubmit.CollectingCoID;

Thanks!!
Jeanine






From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri May 16 13:52:14 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 20:52:14 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT HTML Authoring
In-Reply-To: <1053107714.3ec526023ba96@hosea.qub.ac.uk>
References: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B48C86E3F@NEWMAN_EXC>
 <1053107714.3ec526023ba96@hosea.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <5043881688.20030516205214@cactus.dk>

Hi Martin

Here are a few links:

http://www.worldssp.net/detailview.asp?proid=5380

http://www.webattack.com/freeware/webpublish/fwwysiwyg.shtml

http://www.netandmore.de/faq/fom-serve/cache/740.html

/gustav


> I need to install it on almost 4,000 PCs. So it has to be free.


From keysolns at lantic.net  Fri May 16 13:02:09 2003
From: keysolns at lantic.net (Gary Lockett)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 20:02:09 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT - our website - IE5 users
References: <106340-220035415183825789@christopherhawkins.com>
	<04f601c31b19$f1e2c990$0300a8c0@S856>
Message-ID: <041c01c31bdc$f322b900$0101a8c0@office>

I have already been in contact with Jim regarding this issue. I have IE5 and
am not able to view the site at all. I upgraded to IE6 on one of my other
computers and am now able to view the site properly. I would appreciate it
if a solution can be found for IE5.

Gary Lockett

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lembit Soobik" <Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 9:40 PM
Subject: [AccessD] OT - our website - IE5 users


Friends,
we have a little problem with our website:
(some?) IE5 users cannot see part of the website.
unfortunately the website developers do not have IE5 any more,
so would those who have IE5 please check it out
www.databaseadvisors.com
and if you find something not ok, please inform
Jim Lawrence at accessd at shaw.ca
thank you for your help
Lembit

Lembit Soobik


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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Fri May 16 14:43:54 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 15:43:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD]
In-Reply-To: <000001c31bbc$8fda35f0$7300a8c0@bbb888>
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85BE8@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <3EC5073A.25627.1CE0BD@localhost>

On 17 May 2003 at 1:05, Bruce Bruen wrote:

> However, re Bryan's comment - why can't the attribute value setting
> code be private - fundamentally it's an attribute that <u>cannot</u>
> be updated via this interface, but it does need to be visible to users
> of the class.  In this case the clubname is retrieved internally in
> the class - it is a header for the object.
> 
> I don't believe that the public get/private let construct is
> syntactically incorrect.  However, is it philosophically incorrect?  I

It's not. I made a boo-boo.

All VB(A) programming has taken a back seat for me these days. PHP is 
what I've been doing recently, so chalk it up to brain freeze.

Doh! (Bashes head against keyboard repeatedly) Doh! Doh! :)

Sorry 'bout that.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Every time I close the door on reality it comes in through the 
windows.



From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Fri May 16 14:46:19 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 15:46:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT HTML Authoring
In-Reply-To: <1053107714.3ec526023ba96@hosea.qub.ac.uk>
References: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B48C86E3F@NEWMAN_EXC>
Message-ID: <3EC507CB.18742.1F14F3@localhost>

On 16 May 2003 at 18:55, Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK wrote:

> I need to install it on almost 4,000 PCs. So it has to be free.

Do you have licences for Office 2K Pro for those PCs? It comes with, 
(and I can't believe I'm saying this) Front Page.

Is that an option?

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Warning: dates on calendar are closer than they appear.

From Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK  Fri May 16 14:58:20 2003
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK (Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 20:58:20 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT HTML Authoring
In-Reply-To: <3EC507CB.18742.1F14F3@localhost>
References: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B48C86E3F@NEWMAN_EXC>
	<3EC507CB.18742.1F14F3@localhost>
Message-ID: <1053115100.3ec542dc41281@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

Ah there in arose the problem. MS changed the licence for Campus and we cant 
afford to get the FP licences in addition to the thousands of other MS 
licences we need, hence the search for a free editor for installing in Student 
Computer Centres.

We use Dreamweaver MX for staff and the University sites plus a rather complex 
content management system which we are currently putting in place.

By the way the new version of FrontPage is actualy very good. We can strip FP 
Express out of IE 5 and set up some custom install routines but that still 
leaves very simple problems for the students when they are using it. For 
example the File\New Menu option is disabled. And students are very simple 
people (<:

Martin


Quoting Bryan Carbonnell <carbonnb at sympatico.ca>:

> On 16 May 2003 at 18:55, Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK wrote:
> 
> > I need to install it on almost 4,000 PCs. So it has to be free.
> 
> Do you have licences for Office 2K Pro for those PCs? It comes with, 
> (and I can't believe I'm saying this) Front Page.
> 
> Is that an option?
> 
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May 16 15:16:14 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 13:16:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD]
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F7E@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Now I'm thoroughly confused as to whose head is being bashed and why.
You can create private Let and Get properties, although a private Get
seems pointless to me, since it will only be available within the class
module and you don't really need it there except maybe for symmetry.  A
private Let property, on the other hand, could be called and used within
the class itself, so it might be useful.  Now, which one of you was
wrong ... And about what???

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca] 
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 11:44 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD]


On 17 May 2003 at 1:05, Bruce Bruen wrote:

> However, re Bryan's comment - why can't the attribute value setting 
> code be private - fundamentally it's an attribute that <u>cannot</u> 
> be updated via this interface, but it does need to be visible to users

> of the class.  In this case the clubname is retrieved internally in 
> the class - it is a header for the object.
> 
> I don't believe that the public get/private let construct is 
> syntactically incorrect.  However, is it philosophically incorrect?  I

It's not. I made a boo-boo.

All VB(A) programming has taken a back seat for me these days. PHP is 
what I've been doing recently, so chalk it up to brain freeze.

Doh! (Bashes head against keyboard repeatedly) Doh! Doh! :)

Sorry 'bout that.

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Every time I close the door on reality it comes in through the 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May 16 15:18:55 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 13:18:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F7F@infoserver01.infostat.local>

That's my problem as well.  I don't even own a desktop machine and have no place to put it, but the prices still make me wistful!  I only wish I could find the class of laptop I like for less than around $2000 fully loaded.  Oh, well ...
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
	Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 8:00 AM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale
	
	

	They are still pricey on the laptops though -that's what I want ...and wireless!! then I can get rid of this 'home office', waste of space , concept.
	_d
	

	"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." 
	
	>From: "Jim DeMarco" 
	>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
	>To: 
	>Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale 
	>Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 11:37:14 -0400 
	> 
	>Yes it's a good idea to keep an eye on Dell and Gateway. They're both pumping out low cost machines. The configurations change frequently too so if you don't like what they're offering check back. I just got a P4 (I think 2.0 GHz) with free upgrades to 256MB RAM, 30 GB HD (small but I can upgrade it cheaply if necessary) and 19" monitor for $599 after $100 rebate - $100 to ship though :-(. 
	> 
	>Jim DeMarco 
	> 
	> 
	> 
	>-----Original Message----- 
	>From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
	>Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 11:31 AM 
	>To: AccessD 
	>Subject: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale 
	> 
	> 
	>Just a heads up for anyone looking for a new box. Dell is having a sale. 
	>Cheapest I can get is $466: 
	> 
	>Dimension 2350 Series 
	>Intel? Pentium? 4 Processor at 2.20GHz with 512K L2 Cache 
	> 
	> Qty: 1 
	> Price: $539.00 
	> 
	> Date: Friday, May 16, 2003 10:27:05 AM CDT 
	> Catalog Number: 4 04 
	>Dimension 2350 Series: Intel? Pentium? 4 Processor at 2.20GHz with 512K L2 
	>Cache DX2322 [221-1776] 
	>Memory: 128MB DDR-SDRAM 128M [311-1648] 
	>Keyboard: Dell? Quietkey? Keyboard QK [310-1582] 
	>Monitor: No Monitor N [320-3000] 
	>Video Card: Integrated Intel? Extreme 3D Graphics IV [430-3900] 
	>Hard Drive: FREE UPGRADE! 60GB Ultra ATA/100 7200RPM Hard Drive 60P 
	>[461-9796] 
	>Floppy Drive and Additional Storage Devices: No Floppy Drive NFD 
	>[340-8688] 
	>Operating System: Microsoft? Windows? XP Professional?? WPXP 
	>[313-7222] [412-0309] [420-1922] 
	>Mouse: Dell? 2-button scroll mouse SM [310-1871] 
	>Network Interface: Integrated 10/100 Ethernet IN [430-0441] 
	>Modem: No Modem Requested N [313-3607] 
	>CD or DVD Drive: 48x Max CD-ROM Drive CD48 [313-1476] 
	>Sound Card: Integrated Audio IS [313-0847] 
	>Speakers: No Speaker Option N [313-4514] 
	>Bundled Software: WordPerfect? Productivity Pack with Quicken New User 
	>Edition COREL [412-0302] 
	>Security Software: Dell SecurityCenter by McAfee, 90-day introductory 
	>offer MCAFE90 [412-0326] 
	>Digital Music: Dell Jukebox powered by MUSICMATCH MMBASE [412-0298] 
	>Digital Photography: Dell Picture Studio Image Expert Standard DPS 
	>[412-0271] [412-0273] 
	>Limited Warranty, Services and Support Options: 1 Year Limited Warranty 
	>plus 1 Year On-site Service AUY111 [412-0360] [900-9054] [950-7960] 
	>Dial-Up Internet Access: FREE 6 Months of AOL Internet Access AOLSMB 
	>[412-0371] [412-0368] 
	>Multi-Media Players: RealOne(tm) Player, with 14 day SuperPass trial 
	>REALBAS [412-0380] 
	> 
	>They show the price as $539 but in the checkout line they subtract $48 for a 
	>coupon - 43C49AB1D6C5 and a $50 "rebate", for a final price of 466.51. Box 
	>only, no monitor, no floppy, 128mb ram. 
	> 
	>Not a bad price! 
	> 
	>John W. Colby 
	>www.colbyconsulting.com 
	> 
	> 
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	> 
	> 
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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Fri May 16 15:24:19 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 16:24:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD]
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F7E@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <3EC510B3.15676.41E03F@localhost>

On 16 May 2003 at 13:16, Charlotte Foust wrote:

> Now I'm thoroughly confused as to whose head is being bashed and why.

Mine.

> and used within the class itself, so it might be useful.  Now, which
> one of you was wrong ... And about what???

I was wrong saying that [L|S]et/Get both had to be pubilc or private.

--
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Learn from the mistakes of others. You can't live long enough to make 
them all yourself.

From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Fri May 16 15:35:34 2003
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 15:35:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 
	RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS: <no subject>)
Message-ID: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB2338C7A2@TAPPEEXCH01>

That raises a good question, since I am not from the elite OO camp, I'd like
to know this:
Is it considered a bad practice to refer to the underlying variable within a
class directly?

Bryan, no need to apologize.  You may have stirred up an interesting
discussion, even if by accident.


-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 3:16 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD]


Now I'm thoroughly confused as to whose head is being bashed and why.
You can create private Let and Get properties, although a private Get
seems pointless to me, since it will only be available within the class
module and you don't really need it there except maybe for symmetry.  A
private Let property, on the other hand, could be called and used within
the class itself, so it might be useful.  Now, which one of you was
wrong ... And about what???

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca] 
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 11:44 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD]


On 17 May 2003 at 1:05, Bruce Bruen wrote:

> However, re Bryan's comment - why can't the attribute value setting 
> code be private - fundamentally it's an attribute that <u>cannot</u> 
> be updated via this interface, but it does need to be visible to users

> of the class.  In this case the clubname is retrieved internally in 
> the class - it is a header for the object.
> 
> I don't believe that the public get/private let construct is 
> syntactically incorrect.  However, is it philosophically incorrect?  I

It's not. I made a boo-boo.

All VB(A) programming has taken a back seat for me these days. PHP is 
what I've been doing recently, so chalk it up to brain freeze.

Doh! (Bashes head against keyboard repeatedly) Doh! Doh! :)

Sorry 'bout that.


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May 16 18:26:17 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 19:26:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS: <no
	subject>)
In-Reply-To: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB2338C7A2@TAPPEEXCH01>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEHODMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Brett,

That is a good question.  The reason most often given for using properties
to get / set a private variable rather than dimming the variable public is
simply the ability to control access to the variable.  It goes back to the
global argument in essence.  By controlling writes through a let statement,
you can do parameter checking.  For example, suppose you are building a car
and you want a "doors" variable that says how many doors it has.  By feeding
it through a let statement, you can check that the value passed in is >0 and
<6 or something similar.  The question then becomes, if I don't have to do
any such checking do (should) I still use get / let?

Of course there are also times where you want to provide a read only value.
I.e. the value is set by some process and the value can only be read out.
The Acceleration of the car is determined by the weight, horsepower,
transmission, rear axle etc, all fed into a complex function and provided as
a readable value.  No "user" of the class should be able to write directly
to this variable.

And finally there are times (seldom but possible) where you want a write
only variable - password for example.

I try very hard to dim all class variables private and use property get /
let to read / write the value.  That way if later on I do want to restrict
access in any way, I simply go to my existing get / let and add the
functionality I desire.  The "interface" doesn't break because the user is
always forced to go through my properties.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 4:36 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS: <no
subject>)


That raises a good question, since I am not from the elite OO camp, I'd like
to know this:
Is it considered a bad practice to refer to the underlying variable within a
class directly?

Bryan, no need to apologize.  You may have stirred up an interesting
discussion, even if by accident.


-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 3:16 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD]


Now I'm thoroughly confused as to whose head is being bashed and why.
You can create private Let and Get properties, although a private Get
seems pointless to me, since it will only be available within the class
module and you don't really need it there except maybe for symmetry.  A
private Let property, on the other hand, could be called and used within
the class itself, so it might be useful.  Now, which one of you was
wrong ... And about what???

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 11:44 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD]


On 17 May 2003 at 1:05, Bruce Bruen wrote:

> However, re Bryan's comment - why can't the attribute value setting
> code be private - fundamentally it's an attribute that <u>cannot</u>
> be updated via this interface, but it does need to be visible to users

> of the class.  In this case the clubname is retrieved internally in
> the class - it is a header for the object.
>
> I don't believe that the public get/private let construct is
> syntactically incorrect.  However, is it philosophically incorrect?  I

It's not. I made a boo-boo.

All VB(A) programming has taken a back seat for me these days. PHP is
what I've been doing recently, so chalk it up to brain freeze.

Doh! (Bashes head against keyboard repeatedly) Doh! Doh! :)

Sorry 'bout that.


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From DMcAfee at haascnc.com  Fri May 16 19:16:49 2003
From: DMcAfee at haascnc.com (David McAfee)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 17:16:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale
Message-ID: <657FB70438B7D311AF320090279C1801026D7A31@EXCHMAIL>

http://shop2.outpost.com/product/3610855/
<http://shop2.outpost.com/product/3610855/> 
 
http://shop2.outpost.com/product/3537904
<http://shop2.outpost.com/product/3537904> 
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 1:19 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale


That's my problem as well.  I don't even own a desktop machine and have no
place to put it, but the prices still make me wistful!  I only wish I could
find the class of laptop I like for less than around $2000 fully loaded.
Oh, well ...
 
Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 8:00 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale



They are still pricey on the laptops though -that's what I want ...and
wireless!! then I can get rid of this 'home office', waste of space ,
concept.
_d


"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." 

>From: "Jim DeMarco" 
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>To: 
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale 
>Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 11:37:14 -0400 
> 
>Yes it's a good idea to keep an eye on Dell and Gateway. They're both
pumping out low cost machines. The configurations change frequently too so
if you don't like what they're offering check back. I just got a P4 (I think
2.0 GHz) with free upgrades to 256MB RAM, 30 GB HD (small but I can upgrade
it cheaply if necessary) and 19" monitor for $599 after $100 rebate - $100
to ship though :-(. 
> 
>Jim DeMarco 
> 
> 
> 
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
>Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 11:31 AM 
>To: AccessD 
>Subject: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale 
> 
> 
>Just a heads up for anyone looking for a new box. Dell is having a sale. 
>Cheapest I can get is $466: 
> 
>Dimension 2350 Series 
>Intel? Pentium? 4 Processor at 2.20GHz with 512K L2 Cache 
> 
> Qty: 1 
> Price: $539.00 
> 
> Date: Friday, May 16, 2003 10:27:05 AM CDT 
> Catalog Number: 4 04 
>Dimension 2350 Series: Intel? Pentium? 4 Processor at 2.20GHz with 512K L2 
>Cache DX2322 [221-1776] 
>Memory: 128MB DDR-SDRAM 128M [311-1648] 
>Keyboard: Dell? Quietkey? Keyboard QK [310-1582] 
>Monitor: No Monitor N [320-3000] 
>Video Card: Integrated Intel? Extreme 3D Graphics IV [430-3900] 
>Hard Drive: FREE UPGRADE! 60GB Ultra ATA/100 7200RPM Hard Drive 60P 
>[461-9796] 
>Floppy Drive and Additional Storage Devices: No Floppy Drive NFD 
>[340-8688] 
>Operating System: Microsoft? Windows? XP Professional?? WPXP 
>[313-7222] [412-0309] [420-1922] 
>Mouse: Dell? 2-button scroll mouse SM [310-1871] 
>Network Interface: Integrated 10/100 Ethernet IN [430-0441] 
>Modem: No Modem Requested N [313-3607] 
>CD or DVD Drive: 48x Max CD-ROM Drive CD48 [313-1476] 
>Sound Card: Integrated Audio IS [313-0847] 
>Speakers: No Speaker Option N [313-4514] 
>Bundled Software: WordPerfect? Productivity Pack with Quicken New User 
>Edition COREL [412-0302] 
>Security Software: Dell SecurityCenter by McAfee, 90-day introductory 
>offer MCAFE90 [412-0326] 
>Digital Music: Dell Jukebox powered by MUSICMATCH MMBASE [412-0298] 
>Digital Photography: Dell Picture Studio Image Expert Standard DPS 
>[412-0271] [412-0273] 
>Limited Warranty, Services and Support Options: 1 Year Limited Warranty 
>plus 1 Year On-site Service AUY111 [412-0360] [900-9054] [950-7960] 
>Dial-Up Internet Access: FREE 6 Months of AOL Internet Access AOLSMB 
>[412-0371] [412-0368] 
>Multi-Media Players: RealOne(tm) Player, with 14 day SuperPass trial 
>REALBAS [412-0380] 
> 
>They show the price as $539 but in the checkout line they subtract $48 for
a 
>coupon - 43C49AB1D6C5 and a $50 "rebate", for a final price of 466.51. Box 
>only, no monitor, no floppy, 128mb ram. 
> 
>Not a bad price! 
> 
>John W. Colby 
>www.colbyconsulting.com 
> 
> 
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From Subscriptions at servicexp.com  Fri May 16 19:32:27 2003
From: Subscriptions at servicexp.com (Robert Gracie)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 20:32:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
In-Reply-To: <001f01c31b91$75e6be50$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>
Message-ID: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFMEOJCPAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>

I have been reading of more and more Access BE's corrupting beyond recovery,
and Am getting a little concerned.

I'm working with a mammoth Access DB, (FE/BE Split) it's a full Business
Management System which has around 214 tables in the BE, with a 22Meg Front
End. It's been running Ok for about a year, but with a db this complex, I
need to find a way to back-Up the BE db every 30 to 60 minutes while users
are still in working.

How might one go about doing this safely?  The BE resides on a Pier-to-Pier
network with the "server" running Win2K.


Thanks
Robert Gracie



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May 16 19:36:21 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 20:36:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
In-Reply-To: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFMEOJCPAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEICDMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Replication is one way.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Robert Gracie
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 8:32 PM
To: Access D
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question


I have been reading of more and more Access BE's corrupting beyond recovery,
and Am getting a little concerned.

I'm working with a mammoth Access DB, (FE/BE Split) it's a full Business
Management System which has around 214 tables in the BE, with a 22Meg Front
End. It's been running Ok for about a year, but with a db this complex, I
need to find a way to back-Up the BE db every 30 to 60 minutes while users
are still in working.

How might one go about doing this safely?  The BE resides on a Pier-to-Pier
network with the "server" running Win2K.


Thanks
Robert Gracie


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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Fri May 16 19:45:43 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 20:45:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
References: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFMEOJCPAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>
Message-ID: <00b801c31c0d$a80f1860$6401a8c0@default>

Copying an Open Mdb!

John Lawson, Dundee City Council of UK.

The script is designed as an on-click event procedure for a command button.

The script was developed using Microsoft Access V2.0


Sub cmdOK_Click ()
On Error GoTo cmdOK_Click_Err
    Dim DBNAME As String
    Dim x As Integer
    Dim DefaultWorkspace As WorkSpace
    Dim CurrentDatabase As Database, MyDatabase As Database
    Dim MyContainer As Container, MyDocument As Document
    Dim I As Integer, J As Integer
    Set DefaultWorkspace = DBEngine.Workspaces(0)
    Set CurrentDatabase = DBEngine.Workspaces(0).Databases(0)
    Set MyDatabase =
DefaultWorkspace.CreateDatabase("c:\bsupp\bsbackup.mdb", DB_LANG_GENERAL)
    MyDatabase.Close
    DoCmd SetWarnings False

    txtCurrent = 0

    For J = 0 To CurrentDatabase.Containers.count - 1
        Set MyContainer = CurrentDatabase.Containers(J)
        If MyContainer.Name = "Tables" Then
            txtTotal = MyContainer.Documents.count
            For I = 0 To MyContainer.Documents.count - 1
                 txtCurrent = txtCurrent + 1
                Set MyDocument = MyContainer.Documents(I)

                txtTable = MyDocument.Name
                If Left$(txtTable, 4) <> "Msys" And Left$(txtTable, 3) <>
"qry" Then                  DoCmd CopyObject "c:\bsupp\bsbackup.mdb", ,
A_TABLE, MyDocument.Name
                 DoEvents                End If
            Next I
        End If
    Next J

cmdOK_Click_Exit:
    DoCmd SetWarnings True
    DoCmd Close
    Exit Sub

cmdOK_Click_Err:
If Err = 3204 Or Err = 3151 Or Err = 91 Then Resume Next
    MsgBox Error$
    Resume Next

End Sub
I think I got this from JC's siteMichael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Gracie" <Subscriptions at servicexp.com>
To: "Access D" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 8:32 PM
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question


> I have been reading of more and more Access BE's corrupting beyond
recovery,
> and Am getting a little concerned.
>
> I'm working with a mammoth Access DB, (FE/BE Split) it's a full Business
> Management System which has around 214 tables in the BE, with a 22Meg
Front
> End. It's been running Ok for about a year, but with a db this complex, I
> need to find a way to back-Up the BE db every 30 to 60 minutes while users
> are still in working.
>
> How might one go about doing this safely?  The BE resides on a
Pier-to-Pier
> network with the "server" running Win2K.
>
>
> Thanks
> Robert Gracie
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May 16 19:51:45 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 20:51:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
In-Reply-To: <00b801c31c0d$a80f1860$6401a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEIDDMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I don't think so but I will be adding this to my framework!

Thanks,

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
Mattys
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 8:46 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question


Copying an Open Mdb!

John Lawson, Dundee City Council of UK.

The script is designed as an on-click event procedure for a command button.

The script was developed using Microsoft Access V2.0


Sub cmdOK_Click ()
On Error GoTo cmdOK_Click_Err
    Dim DBNAME As String
    Dim x As Integer
    Dim DefaultWorkspace As WorkSpace
    Dim CurrentDatabase As Database, MyDatabase As Database
    Dim MyContainer As Container, MyDocument As Document
    Dim I As Integer, J As Integer
    Set DefaultWorkspace = DBEngine.Workspaces(0)
    Set CurrentDatabase = DBEngine.Workspaces(0).Databases(0)
    Set MyDatabase =
DefaultWorkspace.CreateDatabase("c:\bsupp\bsbackup.mdb", DB_LANG_GENERAL)
    MyDatabase.Close
    DoCmd SetWarnings False

    txtCurrent = 0

    For J = 0 To CurrentDatabase.Containers.count - 1
        Set MyContainer = CurrentDatabase.Containers(J)
        If MyContainer.Name = "Tables" Then
            txtTotal = MyContainer.Documents.count
            For I = 0 To MyContainer.Documents.count - 1
                 txtCurrent = txtCurrent + 1
                Set MyDocument = MyContainer.Documents(I)

                txtTable = MyDocument.Name
                If Left$(txtTable, 4) <> "Msys" And Left$(txtTable, 3) <>
"qry" Then                  DoCmd CopyObject "c:\bsupp\bsbackup.mdb", ,
A_TABLE, MyDocument.Name
                 DoEvents                End If
            Next I
        End If
    Next J

cmdOK_Click_Exit:
    DoCmd SetWarnings True
    DoCmd Close
    Exit Sub

cmdOK_Click_Err:
If Err = 3204 Or Err = 3151 Or Err = 91 Then Resume Next
    MsgBox Error$
    Resume Next

End Sub
I think I got this from JC's siteMichael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Gracie" <Subscriptions at servicexp.com>
To: "Access D" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 8:32 PM
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question


> I have been reading of more and more Access BE's corrupting beyond
recovery,
> and Am getting a little concerned.
>
> I'm working with a mammoth Access DB, (FE/BE Split) it's a full Business
> Management System which has around 214 tables in the BE, with a 22Meg
Front
> End. It's been running Ok for about a year, but with a db this complex, I
> need to find a way to back-Up the BE db every 30 to 60 minutes while users
> are still in working.
>
> How might one go about doing this safely?  The BE resides on a
Pier-to-Pier
> network with the "server" running Win2K.
>
>
> Thanks
> Robert Gracie
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com




From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May 16 20:09:41 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 21:09:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
In-Reply-To: <00b801c31c0d$a80f1860$6401a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEIEDMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

OK, and a version that at least compiles:

Function CopyDB()
On Error GoTo cmdOK_Click_Err
    Dim DBNAME As String
    Dim x As Integer
    Dim DefaultWorkspace As Workspace
    Dim CurrentDatabase As Database
    Dim MyDatabase As Database
    Dim MyContainer As Container
    Dim MyDocument As Document
    Dim I As Integer
    Dim J As Integer
    Dim txtTable As String
    Set DefaultWorkspace = DBEngine.Workspaces(0)
    Set CurrentDatabase = DBEngine.Workspaces(0).Databases(0)
    Set MyDatabase =
DefaultWorkspace.CreateDatabase("c:\bsupp\bsbackup.mdb", DB_LANG_GENERAL)
    MyDatabase.Close
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False

    'txtCurrent = 0

    For J = 0 To CurrentDatabase.Containers.Count - 1
        Set MyContainer = CurrentDatabase.Containers(J)
        If MyContainer.Name = "Tables" Then
            'txtTotal = MyContainer.Documents.Count
            For I = 0 To MyContainer.Documents.Count - 1
                 'txtCurrent = txtCurrent + 1
                Set MyDocument = MyContainer.Documents(I)

                txtTable = MyDocument.Name
                If Left$(txtTable, 4) <> "Msys" And Left$(txtTable, 3) <>
"qry" Then
                    DoCmd.CopyObject "c:\bsupp\bsbackup.mdb", , A_TABLE,
MyDocument.Name
                    DoEvents
                End If
            Next I
        End If
    Next J

cmdOK_Click_Exit:
    DoCmd.SetWarnings True
    DoCmd.Close
    Exit Function

cmdOK_Click_Err:
If err = 3204 Or err = 3151 Or err = 91 Then Resume Next
    MsgBox Error$
    Resume Next

End Function

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
Mattys
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 8:46 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question


Copying an Open Mdb!

John Lawson, Dundee City Council of UK.

The script is designed as an on-click event procedure for a command button.

The script was developed using Microsoft Access V2.0


Sub cmdOK_Click ()
On Error GoTo cmdOK_Click_Err
    Dim DBNAME As String
    Dim x As Integer
    Dim DefaultWorkspace As WorkSpace
    Dim CurrentDatabase As Database, MyDatabase As Database
    Dim MyContainer As Container, MyDocument As Document
    Dim I As Integer, J As Integer
    Set DefaultWorkspace = DBEngine.Workspaces(0)
    Set CurrentDatabase = DBEngine.Workspaces(0).Databases(0)
    Set MyDatabase =
DefaultWorkspace.CreateDatabase("c:\bsupp\bsbackup.mdb", DB_LANG_GENERAL)
    MyDatabase.Close
    DoCmd SetWarnings False

    txtCurrent = 0

    For J = 0 To CurrentDatabase.Containers.count - 1
        Set MyContainer = CurrentDatabase.Containers(J)
        If MyContainer.Name = "Tables" Then
            txtTotal = MyContainer.Documents.count
            For I = 0 To MyContainer.Documents.count - 1
                 txtCurrent = txtCurrent + 1
                Set MyDocument = MyContainer.Documents(I)

                txtTable = MyDocument.Name
                If Left$(txtTable, 4) <> "Msys" And Left$(txtTable, 3) <>
"qry" Then                  DoCmd CopyObject "c:\bsupp\bsbackup.mdb", ,
A_TABLE, MyDocument.Name
                 DoEvents                End If
            Next I
        End If
    Next J

cmdOK_Click_Exit:
    DoCmd SetWarnings True
    DoCmd Close
    Exit Sub

cmdOK_Click_Err:
If Err = 3204 Or Err = 3151 Or Err = 91 Then Resume Next
    MsgBox Error$
    Resume Next

End Sub
I think I got this from JC's siteMichael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Gracie" <Subscriptions at servicexp.com>
To: "Access D" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 8:32 PM
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question


> I have been reading of more and more Access BE's corrupting beyond
recovery,
> and Am getting a little concerned.
>
> I'm working with a mammoth Access DB, (FE/BE Split) it's a full Business
> Management System which has around 214 tables in the BE, with a 22Meg
Front
> End. It's been running Ok for about a year, but with a db this complex, I
> need to find a way to back-Up the BE db every 30 to 60 minutes while users
> are still in working.
>
> How might one go about doing this safely?  The BE resides on a
Pier-to-Pier
> network with the "server" running Win2K.
>
>
> Thanks
> Robert Gracie
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com




From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May 16 20:34:48 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 21:34:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VB.Net graphics
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEIEDMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Are there any .net graphics gurus out there.  I need to learn how to display
a matrix of gif or bmp "icons" across a form surface.  Also it would be nice
to learn how to do layering such that I could have a single gif and turn on
/ off different icons for the same location.

Anyone with expertise in this area give me a shout please.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Fri May 16 22:53:13 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 13:23:13 +0930
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A090@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

http://www.learnvisualstudio.net <http://www.learnvisualstudio.net> 
 
Fantastic concept. Bob records live tutorials which you can download.  Over
50 hours of videos to date.
 
You  can view a free 'daily-tip' video to see what they are like, and if you
do, membership allows you access to all existign videos.  Only $20 US from
memory.
 
Money well spent for me, much more intuative and effective than reading a
book.  Ended up getting my company to pay for it anyway as it was found a
useful tool for our other developers.
 
Doesn't only cover VS.NET but covers many of the languages and the framework
concepts.
 
Good luck!
 
Cheers,
Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Boyd [mailto:MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com]
Sent: Thursday, 15 May 2003 5:37 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro



I've noticed that Visual Studio.net has been a topic of discussion on this
list recently.

I'm just beginning to dive into it, and am curious if anyone can recommend a
good place to start learning.

Is there a preferred book or website that demonstrates how to create a
simple .net application?  I am looking into asp.net, as I want to start
developing web applications that connect to SQL2K.

Any direction is greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks,

Mark Boyd

Sr. Systems Analyst

McBee Associates, Inc.

 


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May 16 23:13:57 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 00:13:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro
In-Reply-To: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A090@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEIHDMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Andrew,

I notice a bonus system where you are awarded months for a signup.  I think
I'm going to sign up for the 3 month thing.  Do I need a code from you to
get the bonus assigned to you?
John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Haslett, Andrew
  Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 11:53 PM
  To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro


  http://www.learnvisualstudio.net

  Fantastic concept. Bob records live tutorials which you can download.
Over 50 hours of videos to date.

  You  can view a free 'daily-tip' video to see what they are like, and if
you do, membership allows you access to all existign videos.  Only $20 US
from memory.

  Money well spent for me, much more intuative and effective than reading a
book.  Ended up getting my company to pay for it anyway as it was found a
useful tool for our other developers.

  Doesn't only cover VS.NET but covers many of the languages and the
framework concepts.

  Good luck!

  Cheers,
  Andrew
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Mark Boyd [mailto:MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com]
    Sent: Thursday, 15 May 2003 5:37 AM
    To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
    Subject: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro


    I've noticed that Visual Studio.net has been a topic of discussion on
this list recently.

    I'm just beginning to dive into it, and am curious if anyone can
recommend a good place to start learning.

    Is there a preferred book or website that demonstrates how to create a
simple .net application?  I am looking into asp.net, as I want to start
developing web applications that connect to SQL2K.

    Any direction is greatly appreciated.



    Thanks,

    Mark Boyd

    Sr. Systems Analyst

    McBee Associates, Inc.





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From Subscriptions at servicexp.com  Sat May 17 00:32:07 2003
From: Subscriptions at servicexp.com (Robert Gracie)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 01:32:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEIEDMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFMEOLCPAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>



Anyway to do something like this from a separate db running all the time on
the server?


Robert Gracie

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 9:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question


OK, and a version that at least compiles:

Function CopyDB()
On Error GoTo cmdOK_Click_Err
    Dim DBNAME As String
    Dim x As Integer
    Dim DefaultWorkspace As Workspace
    Dim CurrentDatabase As Database
    Dim MyDatabase As Database
    Dim MyContainer As Container
    Dim MyDocument As Document
    Dim I As Integer
    Dim J As Integer
    Dim txtTable As String
    Set DefaultWorkspace = DBEngine.Workspaces(0)
    Set CurrentDatabase = DBEngine.Workspaces(0).Databases(0)
    Set MyDatabase =
DefaultWorkspace.CreateDatabase("c:\bsupp\bsbackup.mdb", DB_LANG_GENERAL)
    MyDatabase.Close
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False

    'txtCurrent = 0

    For J = 0 To CurrentDatabase.Containers.Count - 1
        Set MyContainer = CurrentDatabase.Containers(J)
        If MyContainer.Name = "Tables" Then
            'txtTotal = MyContainer.Documents.Count
            For I = 0 To MyContainer.Documents.Count - 1
                 'txtCurrent = txtCurrent + 1
                Set MyDocument = MyContainer.Documents(I)

                txtTable = MyDocument.Name
                If Left$(txtTable, 4) <> "Msys" And Left$(txtTable, 3) <>
"qry" Then
                    DoCmd.CopyObject "c:\bsupp\bsbackup.mdb", , A_TABLE,
MyDocument.Name
                    DoEvents
                End If
            Next I
        End If
    Next J

cmdOK_Click_Exit:
    DoCmd.SetWarnings True
    DoCmd.Close
    Exit Function

cmdOK_Click_Err:
If err = 3204 Or err = 3151 Or err = 91 Then Resume Next
    MsgBox Error$
    Resume Next

End Function

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
Mattys
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 8:46 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question


Copying an Open Mdb!

John Lawson, Dundee City Council of UK.

The script is designed as an on-click event procedure for a command button.

The script was developed using Microsoft Access V2.0


Sub cmdOK_Click ()
On Error GoTo cmdOK_Click_Err
    Dim DBNAME As String
    Dim x As Integer
    Dim DefaultWorkspace As WorkSpace
    Dim CurrentDatabase As Database, MyDatabase As Database
    Dim MyContainer As Container, MyDocument As Document
    Dim I As Integer, J As Integer
    Set DefaultWorkspace = DBEngine.Workspaces(0)
    Set CurrentDatabase = DBEngine.Workspaces(0).Databases(0)
    Set MyDatabase =
DefaultWorkspace.CreateDatabase("c:\bsupp\bsbackup.mdb", DB_LANG_GENERAL)
    MyDatabase.Close
    DoCmd SetWarnings False

    txtCurrent = 0

    For J = 0 To CurrentDatabase.Containers.count - 1
        Set MyContainer = CurrentDatabase.Containers(J)
        If MyContainer.Name = "Tables" Then
            txtTotal = MyContainer.Documents.count
            For I = 0 To MyContainer.Documents.count - 1
                 txtCurrent = txtCurrent + 1
                Set MyDocument = MyContainer.Documents(I)

                txtTable = MyDocument.Name
                If Left$(txtTable, 4) <> "Msys" And Left$(txtTable, 3) <>
"qry" Then                  DoCmd CopyObject "c:\bsupp\bsbackup.mdb", ,
A_TABLE, MyDocument.Name
                 DoEvents                End If
            Next I
        End If
    Next J

cmdOK_Click_Exit:
    DoCmd SetWarnings True
    DoCmd Close
    Exit Sub

cmdOK_Click_Err:
If Err = 3204 Or Err = 3151 Or Err = 91 Then Resume Next
    MsgBox Error$
    Resume Next

End Sub
I think I got this from JC's siteMichael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Gracie" <Subscriptions at servicexp.com>
To: "Access D" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 8:32 PM
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question


> I have been reading of more and more Access BE's corrupting beyond
recovery,
> and Am getting a little concerned.
>
> I'm working with a mammoth Access DB, (FE/BE Split) it's a full Business
> Management System which has around 214 tables in the BE, with a 22Meg
Front
> End. It's been running Ok for about a year, but with a db this complex, I
> need to find a way to back-Up the BE db every 30 to 60 minutes while users
> are still in working.
>
> How might one go about doing this safely?  The BE resides on a
Pier-to-Pier
> network with the "server" running Win2K.
>
>
> Thanks
> Robert Gracie
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Sat May 17 01:46:13 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 16:16:13 +0930
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A091@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

Hi John.
 
That would be great if you do choose to join up.
 
To be honest I hadn't really looked at the referral system before. I've just
read the rules and I can't post the 'code' publicly so will email you off
list.
 
If you haven't got broadband then you can decide to order the existing
videos on CD if you like.  I took the long route and downloaded the lot.
Still haven't got through them all yet!
 
Even after watching them the first time, it still servers as excellent
reference material, as most issues I come across are covered by one or more
videos.
 
Enjoy!
 
Cheers,
Andrew
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Saturday, 17 May 2003 1:44 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro


Andrew,
 
I notice a bonus system where you are awarded months for a signup.  I think
I'm going to sign up for the 3 month thing.  Do I need a code from you to
get the bonus assigned to you?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Haslett, Andrew
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 11:53 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro


http://www.learnvisualstudio.net <http://www.learnvisualstudio.net> 
 
Fantastic concept. Bob records live tutorials which you can download.  Over
50 hours of videos to date.
 
You  can view a free 'daily-tip' video to see what they are like, and if you
do, membership allows you access to all existign videos.  Only $20 US from
memory.
 
Money well spent for me, much more intuative and effective than reading a
book.  Ended up getting my company to pay for it anyway as it was found a
useful tool for our other developers.
 
Doesn't only cover VS.NET but covers many of the languages and the framework
concepts.
 
Good luck!
 
Cheers,
Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Boyd [mailto:MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com]
Sent: Thursday, 15 May 2003 5:37 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro



I've noticed that Visual Studio.net has been a topic of discussion on this
list recently.

I'm just beginning to dive into it, and am curious if anyone can recommend a
good place to start learning.

Is there a preferred book or website that demonstrates how to create a
simple .net application?  I am looking into asp.net, as I want to start
developing web applications that connect to SQL2K.

Any direction is greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks,

Mark Boyd

Sr. Systems Analyst

McBee Associates, Inc.

 


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contain information protected by law from disclosure. 

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are provided on the basis the user assumes all responsibility for 

loss, damage or consequence resulting directly or indirectly from 

their use, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not.


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From ksfeller at earthlink.net  Sat May 17 07:58:21 2003
From: ksfeller at earthlink.net (Karen Feller Nicholson)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 08:58:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL List
Message-ID: <018901c31c74$007bc000$daa1fea9@oemcomputer>

Does anyone belong to an SQL list similiar to this Access List that they recommend?  
Karen S. Nicholson
(724) 942-3437
ksfeller at earthlink.net

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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sat May 17 08:16:45 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 09:16:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL List
References: <018901c31c74$007bc000$daa1fea9@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <003801c31c76$9092e310$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

...dba-SQL? ...sign up at www.databaseadvisors.com ...you'll recognise a
number of the people from the accessd list ...HTH :)

William Hindman
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From: "Karen Feller Nicholson" <ksfeller at earthlink.net>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 8:58 AM
Subject: [AccessD] SQL List


Does anyone belong to an SQL list similiar to this Access List that they
recommend?
Karen S. Nicholson
(724) 942-3437
ksfeller at earthlink.net




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From davesharpe2 at cox.net  Sat May 17 11:29:12 2003
From: davesharpe2 at cox.net (dave sharpe)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 12:29:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL List
References: <018901c31c74$007bc000$daa1fea9@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <00cd01c31c91$739c61d0$1d270a44@bcs006137>

Karen

http://groups.yahoo.com/

Has a "SQL_beginners" list

Do a search there. They have over 500 SQL related groups.

Dave
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Karen Feller Nicholson 
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 8:58 AM
  Subject: [AccessD] SQL List


  Does anyone belong to an SQL list similiar to this Access List that they recommend?  
  Karen S. Nicholson
  (724) 942-3437
  ksfeller at earthlink.net



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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Sat May 17 11:52:30 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 11:52:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F87812@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Robert,

First get off that pier-to-pier network.  The first freighter or ocean
liner that crashes into one of your piers is going to cause havoc with
your network! <grin>

Second, besides the other good backup suggestions, you could create a
transaction log on another server and write transactions to it.  That
way you only lose those transactions that were still being written to
the transaction log when your db crashed.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Gracie [mailto:Subscriptions at servicexp.com] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 16 19:32
To: Access D
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question

I have been reading of more and more Access BE's corrupting beyond
recovery, and Am getting a little concerned.

I'm working with a mammoth Access DB, (FE/BE Split) it's a full Business
Management System which has around 214 tables in the BE, with a 22Meg
Front End. It's been running Ok for about a year, but with a db this
complex, I need to find a way to back-Up the BE db every 30 to 60
minutes while users are still in working.

How might one go about doing this safely?  The BE resides on a
Pier-to-Pier network with the "server" running Win2K.


Thanks
Robert Gracie

From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Sat May 17 12:03:44 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 12:03:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SQL List
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F87813@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Karen,
 
As you see from the list Dave gives you, there are many flavors of SQL.
Which flavor are you most interested in? M$'s Jet SQL for the Jet db
engine, or M$'s T-SQL for the SQL Server engine, or ANSI SQL that
everybody claims to be compliant with but does not fully implement?

Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 

-----Original Message-----
From: dave sharpe [mailto:davesharpe2 at cox.net] 
Sent: Saturday 2003 May 17 11:29
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL List


Karen
 
http://groups.yahoo.com/
 
Has a "SQL_beginners" list
 
Do a search there. They have over 500 SQL related groups.
 
Dave

	----- Original Message ----- 
	From: Karen Feller Nicholson <mailto:ksfeller at earthlink.net>  
	To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
	Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 8:58 AM
	Subject: [AccessD] SQL List

	Does anyone belong to an SQL list similiar to this Access List
that they recommend?  
	Karen S. Nicholson
	(724) 942-3437
	ksfeller at earthlink.net

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat May 17 13:03:29 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 11:03:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] RE: DBA web site problem
In-Reply-To: <018901c31c74$007bc000$daa1fea9@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFAEIBCIAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

Stephen Hait has spent some time and resolved the problem.
It seems to be an issue with the placement of a simple 'spacer' cell. Even
though the size is fixed in the parent window, IE5 has an apparent 'bug'
that causes the 'spacer' cell to always expand 100%, pushing the 'iframe'
contents out of view. By moving the 'spacer' cell from the parent to the
'iframe' content window the error is resolved.

Thanks again to Stephen for his efforts. The chances to the site should be
completed by this weekend.

Jim
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From ksfeller at earthlink.net  Sat May 17 13:01:59 2003
From: ksfeller at earthlink.net (Karen Feller Nicholson)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 14:01:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL List
References: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F87813@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <003401c31c9e$6b1bcb60$daa1fea9@oemcomputer>

MessageWell Well.  Let me confess to what I have done THIS time.  Years ago I started out as a contract Access programmer and had never touched Access.  Now I went and got myself hired at this great company as Database Administrator for SQL and a Crystal Programmer.  Oh my.  I started Friday; they interviewed me Tuesday afternoon and called me Thursday afternoon to start.  They know I am not that proficient in SQL and Crystal, but they seemed more interested in my personality than my job skills.  So there is this SQL program already written, MasterMind, that I have to write triggers and stored procedures, creating these for various departments to write reports.  I got tired of consulting after 8 years - too much going on at once and then waiting for cheap ***'s to pay us.  So I walked out and left my poor partner here WILD EYED as he now has enough work for 1.5 Access programmers and is only one person.  I got an earful when I came home Friday night.  My first project thrown at me was to add a column to a table that increments values by 10, renumerating when the grouping sort changes.  Figured that would be easy - ha ha.  I am delving into the cursor crap, did the increment value in the table itself but it does not know when to start back again at 10.  That is my current dilemma.  I am sure that I will catch on, but I am sure to be a pain in the bum for a month or two until I get my feet under me.  Anybody ever work with MasterMind which I have nicked named MasterBa*** at this point.  Fun fun.  All help is appreciated.  And anyone who can calm Mike down with his new found too much work scenario as well.  He smoked two packs of cigarettes my first day on the job!!!!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Wortz, Charles 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 01:03 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL List


  Karen,

  As you see from the list Dave gives you, there are many flavors of SQL.  Which flavor are you most interested in? M$'s Jet SQL for the Jet db engine, or M$'s T-SQL for the SQL Server engine, or ANSI SQL that everybody claims to be compliant with but does not fully implement?
  Charles Wortz 
  Software Development Division 
  Texas Education Agency 
  1701 N. Congress Ave 
  Austin, TX 78701-1494 
  512-463-9493 
  CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 

  -----Original Message-----
  From: dave sharpe [mailto:davesharpe2 at cox.net] 
  Sent: Saturday 2003 May 17 11:29
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL List


  Karen

  http://groups.yahoo.com/

  Has a "SQL_beginners" list

  Do a search there. They have over 500 SQL related groups.

  Dave
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Karen Feller Nicholson 
    To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
    Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 8:58 AM
    Subject: [AccessD] SQL List


    Does anyone belong to an SQL list similiar to this Access List that they recommend?  
    Karen S. Nicholson
    (724) 942-3437
    ksfeller at earthlink.net


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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Sat May 17 13:19:48 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 13:19:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SQL List
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F87814@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Karen,

So you are talking about SQLServer.  Then the best list is our own
dba-SQLServer list.  You will learn about SQLServer, T-SQL and Crystal
Reports all on this one list.  You can sign up for it at the same place
you signed up for AccessD.  I expect to see you on that list very
shortly.

Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
-----Original Message-----
From: Karen Feller Nicholson [mailto:ksfeller at earthlink.net] 
Sent: Saturday 2003 May 17 13:02
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL List

 
 Well Well.  Let me confess to what I have done THIS time.  Years ago I
started out as a contract Access programmer and had never touched
Access.  Now I went and got myself hired at this great company as
Database Administrator for SQL and a Crystal Programmer.  Oh my.  I
started Friday; they interviewed me Tuesday afternoon and called me
Thursday afternoon to start.  They know I am not that proficient in SQL
and Crystal, but they seemed more interested in my personality than my
job skills.  So there is this SQL program already written, MasterMind,
that I have to write triggers and stored procedures, creating these for
various departments to write reports.  I got tired of consulting after 8
years - too much going on at once and then waiting for cheap ***'s to
pay us.  So I walked out and left my poor partner here WILD EYED as he
now has enough work for 1.5 Access programmers and is only one person.
I got an earful when I came home Friday night.  My first project thrown
at me was to add a column to a table that increments values by 10,
renumerating when the grouping sort changes.  Figured that would be easy
- ha ha.  I am delving into the cursor crap, did the increment value in
the table itself but it does not know when to start back again at 10.
That is my current dilemma.  I am sure that I will catch on, but I am
sure to be a pain in the bum for a month or two until I get my feet
under me.  Anybody ever work with MasterMind which I have nicked named
MasterBa*** at this point.  Fun fun.  All help is appreciated.  And
anyone who can calm Mike down with his new found too much work scenario
as well.  He smoked two packs of cigarettes my first day on the job!!!!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Wortz, Charles 
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 01:03 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL List


Karen,

As you see from the list Dave gives you, there are many flavors of SQL.
Which flavor are you most interested in? M$'s Jet SQL for the Jet db
engine, or M$'s T-SQL for the SQL Server engine, or ANSI SQL that
everybody claims to be compliant with but does not fully implement?
Charles Wortz 
-----Original Message-----
From: dave sharpe [mailto:davesharpe2 at cox.net] 
Sent: Saturday 2003 May 17 11:29
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL List


Karen

http://groups.yahoo.com/

Has a "SQL_beginners" list

Do a search there. They have over 500 SQL related groups.

Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Karen Feller Nicholson 
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 8:58 AM
Subject: [AccessD] SQL List


Does anyone belong to an SQL list similiar to this Access List that they
recommend?  
Karen S. Nicholson
(724) 942-3437
ksfeller at earthlink.net

From caa at highway.com.br  Sat May 17 14:20:14 2003
From: caa at highway.com.br (Carlos Alberto Alves)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 16:20:14 -0300
Subject: [AccessD] access database needs repair
In-Reply-To: <007401c31b09$27037720$b274d0d5@andypc>
References: <007401c31b09$27037720$b274d0d5@andypc>
Message-ID: <oprpbzz0nmeuy8y3@localhost>

On Thu, 15 May 2003 18:41:01 +0100, Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> 
wrote:

> Dwayne
> If you're still struggling, and the data's really vital, then I believe
> there's a company who specialise in recovering this sort of thing. If
> you express interest I'm sure someone will remember who they are.
>
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd- 
>> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
>> Sent: 15 May 2003 07:39
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: RE: [AccessD] access database needs repair
>>
>>
>> And I'll add, did you try decompiling? That's opening Access with a 
>> /decompile switch then opening your MDB and letting Access decompile it. 
>> You didn't indicate whether it???s a FrontEnd or Backend either. Would 
>> help people give advice.
>>
>> Andy Lacey
>> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>>
>>
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Michael R 
>> Mattys
>> > Sent: 15 May 2003 03:31
>> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] access database needs repair
>> > > > Hi Dwayne,
>> > > You may not have necessarily indicated your level of
>> > expertise, so I am just going to pose a few questions:
>> > > Did you check for and delete the locking .LDB file that opens
>> > with the mdb?
>> > > If so, did you try importing objects from your mdb using a
>> > new mdb? Or, perhaps, using Excel, try to import the data?
>> > > Have you tried JetComp? See 
>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?
>> > scid=http://support.microsoft.com:80/support/kb/articles/
>> > Q239/1/14.ASP&NoWebContent=1
>> > > Michael R. Mattys
>> > www.mattysconsulting.com
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Hartranft, Dwayne" <dmhartr at sandia.gov>
>> > To: <accessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>> > Cc: <dwayne at tmssusa.com>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 10:06 PM
>> > Subject: [AccessD] access database needs repair
>> > > > > Hi all,
>> > >
>> > > I am in dire need of some advice.
>> > >
>> > > I had a client that ended up with a corrupted database.
>> > >
>> > > The power went off to the computer while a database was open.  Now
>> > > when I try to open it, it says that it needs to repair the > file.  
>> When
>> > > I try to repair it, I get the message that the file is not a
>> > > recognized database format.  It is in Access 2000
>> > >
>> > > Any suggestions?  Restoring from a backup is not an option since the
>> > client
>> > > did not do any.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks in advance for any ideas.
>> > >
>> > > Dwayne Hartranft
>> > >

Hi Dwayne!
Try the links below to find recovery tools for Access...

http://www.cimaware.com/accessfix.html

http://www.officerecovery.com

HTH,
-- 
**************************************
* Carlos Alberto Alves               *
* Child Neurologist                  *
* Systems Analyst/Programmer         *
* Rio de Janeiro, Brazil             *
* mailto:caa at highway.com.br          *
* http://igspot.ig.com.br/forefront/ *
**************************************

From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Sat May 17 18:03:32 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 01:03:32 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] RE: DBA web site problem
References: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFAEIBCIAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <0a6401c31cc8$97e01d70$0300a8c0@S856>

Thank you, Stephen,
appreciate your help very much
Lembit

Lembit Soobik

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 8:03 PM
  Subject: [AccessD] RE: DBA web site problem


  Hi All:

  Stephen Hait has spent some time and resolved the problem. 
  It seems to be an issue with the placement of a simple 'spacer' cell. Even though the size is fixed in the parent window, IE5 has an apparent 'bug' that causes the 'spacer' cell to always expand 100%, pushing the 'iframe' contents out of view. By moving the 'spacer' cell from the parent to the 'iframe' content window the error is resolved.

  Thanks again to Stephen for his efforts. The chances to the site should be completed by this weekend.

  Jim



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From Subscriptions at servicexp.com  Sat May 17 19:16:18 2003
From: Subscriptions at servicexp.com (Robert Gracie)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 20:16:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
In-Reply-To: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFMEOJCPAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>
Message-ID: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFEEAHDAAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>


I'm trying to backup an open split back-end using the code below. This is a
"third" db that is opening up a back-end and copying the tables and data to
a newly created db. However I keep getting this error.

7874 SXP Maintenance System can't find the object 'Customer.' Note: SXP
Maintenance is the name of the calling db

My code keeps looking at the current db for the tables. If I copy the table
into this db, all works well..

Help would be much appreciated at this point... Keep in mind this is a very
first revision...:-)

    Dim db As DAO.Database
    Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
    Dim x As Integer
    Dim Wksp As DAO.Workspace
    Dim CurrentDatabase As DAO.Database
    Dim MyDatabase As DAO.Database
    Dim MyContainer As DAO.Container
    Dim MyDocument As Document
    Dim I As Integer
    Dim J As Integer
    Dim txtTable As String
    Dim strdbtoSaveName As String
    Dim strSavedbtoName As String
    Dim strdbtoSavePath As String
    Dim strSavedbtoPath As String
    Dim strSavetoCompleteString As String
    Dim strShortDate As String
    Dim strLongDate As String
    Dim strSaveName As String
    Dim intSaveNameFail As String
    Dim strSaveNamePath As String
    Dim strTestFile As String


    Set db = CurrentDb
    Set rst = db.OpenRecordset("tblSysBU", dbOpenDynaset)

    strLongDate = Format(Date, "mmmm d, yyyy")
    strShortDate = Format(Date, "m-d-yyyy")

    With rst
      If .RecordCount > 0 Then
        .MoveFirst
            Do Until .EOF
                'lets get the link information from the table
                strdbtoSaveName = !dbtoSaveName
                strSavedbtoName = !SavedbtoName
                strdbtoSavePath = !dbtoSavePath
                strSavedbtoPath = !SavedbtoPath

                strSavetoCompleteString = strSavedbtoPath & "\" &
strSavedbtoName


    Set Wksp = DBEngine.Workspaces(0)  'OpenDatabase(strdbtoSavePath)
    Set CurrentDatabase = Wksp.OpenDatabase(strdbtoSavePath)


    'Check for existence of previously backed Up DB.
    'and append an incremented number to save name if found
      strSaveName = strSavedbtoName
      strSaveName = strSaveName & ".mdb"
      I = 2
      intSaveNameFail = True

      Do While intSaveNameFail
         strSaveNamePath = strSavedbtoPath & strSaveName
         strTestFile = Nz(Dir(strSaveNamePath))

         If strTestFile = strSaveName Then

            'Create new save name with incremented number
            intSaveNameFail = True
            strSaveName = strSavedbtoName & CStr(I)
            strSaveName = strSaveName & ".mdb"
            strSaveNamePath = strSavedbtoPath & strSaveName
            I = I + 1
         Else
            intSaveNameFail = False
         End If
      Loop

    Set MyDatabase = Wksp.CreateDatabase(strSaveNamePath, DB_LANG_GENERAL)
    MyDatabase.Close

    For J = 0 To CurrentDatabase.Containers.Count - 1
        Set MyContainer = CurrentDatabase.Containers(J)
        If MyContainer.Name = "Tables" Then
            For I = 0 To MyContainer.Documents.Count - 1
                Set MyDocument = MyContainer.Documents(I)
                txtTable = MyDocument.Name
                If Left$(txtTable, 4) <> "Msys" And Left$(txtTable, 3) <>
"qry" Then
                    DoCmd.CopyObject strSaveNamePath, , acTable,
MyDocument.Name
                    DoEvents
                End If
            Next I
        End If
    Next J

            .MoveNext
        Loop
     End If
End With

cmdOK_Click_Exit:
    DoCmd.SetWarnings True
    Exit Function

cmdOK_Click_Err:
If Err = 3204 Or Err = 3151 Or Err = 91 Or Err = 7874 Or Err = 3064 Or Err =
3011 Then
 Debug.Print (Err.Number & " " & Err.Description)
Resume Next
 Else
     MsgBox Err.Description
 End If



From Subscriptions at servicexp.com  Sat May 17 21:02:17 2003
From: Subscriptions at servicexp.com (Robert Gracie)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 22:02:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
In-Reply-To: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFMEOJCPAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>
Message-ID: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFAEAIDAAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>


I'm trying to backup an open split back-end using the code below. This is a
"third" db that is opening up a back-end and copying the tables and data to
a newly created db. However I keep getting this error.

7874 SXP Maintenance System can't find the object 'Customer.' Note: SXP
Maintenance is the name of the calling db

My code keeps looking at the current db for the tables. If I copy the table
into this db, all works well..

Help would be much appreciated at this point... Keep in mind this is a very
first revision...:-)

    Dim db As DAO.Database
    Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
    Dim x As Integer
    Dim Wksp As DAO.Workspace
    Dim CurrentDatabase As DAO.Database
    Dim MyDatabase As DAO.Database
    Dim MyContainer As DAO.Container
    Dim MyDocument As Document
    Dim I As Integer
    Dim J As Integer
    Dim txtTable As String
    Dim strdbtoSaveName As String
    Dim strSavedbtoName As String
    Dim strdbtoSavePath As String
    Dim strSavedbtoPath As String
    Dim strSavetoCompleteString As String
    Dim strShortDate As String
    Dim strLongDate As String
    Dim strSaveName As String
    Dim intSaveNameFail As String
    Dim strSaveNamePath As String
    Dim strTestFile As String


    Set db = CurrentDb
    Set rst = db.OpenRecordset("tblSysBU", dbOpenDynaset)

    strLongDate = Format(Date, "mmmm d, yyyy")
    strShortDate = Format(Date, "m-d-yyyy")

    With rst
      If .RecordCount > 0 Then
        .MoveFirst
            Do Until .EOF
                'lets get the link information from the table
                strdbtoSaveName = !dbtoSaveName
                strSavedbtoName = !SavedbtoName
                strdbtoSavePath = !dbtoSavePath
                strSavedbtoPath = !SavedbtoPath

                strSavetoCompleteString = strSavedbtoPath & "\" &
strSavedbtoName


    Set Wksp = DBEngine.Workspaces(0)  'OpenDatabase(strdbtoSavePath)
    Set CurrentDatabase = Wksp.OpenDatabase(strdbtoSavePath)


    'Check for existence of previously backed Up DB.
    'and append an incremented number to save name if found
      strSaveName = strSavedbtoName
      strSaveName = strSaveName & ".mdb"
      I = 2
      intSaveNameFail = True

      Do While intSaveNameFail
         strSaveNamePath = strSavedbtoPath & strSaveName
         strTestFile = Nz(Dir(strSaveNamePath))

         If strTestFile = strSaveName Then

            'Create new save name with incremented number
            intSaveNameFail = True
            strSaveName = strSavedbtoName & CStr(I)
            strSaveName = strSaveName & ".mdb"
            strSaveNamePath = strSavedbtoPath & strSaveName
            I = I + 1
         Else
            intSaveNameFail = False
         End If
      Loop

    Set MyDatabase = Wksp.CreateDatabase(strSaveNamePath, DB_LANG_GENERAL)
    MyDatabase.Close

    For J = 0 To CurrentDatabase.Containers.Count - 1
        Set MyContainer = CurrentDatabase.Containers(J)
        If MyContainer.Name = "Tables" Then
            For I = 0 To MyContainer.Documents.Count - 1
                Set MyDocument = MyContainer.Documents(I)
                txtTable = MyDocument.Name
                If Left$(txtTable, 4) <> "Msys" And Left$(txtTable, 3) <>
"qry" Then
                    DoCmd.CopyObject strSaveNamePath, , acTable,
MyDocument.Name
                    DoEvents
                End If
            Next I
        End If
    Next J

            .MoveNext
        Loop
     End If
End With

cmdOK_Click_Exit:
    DoCmd.SetWarnings True
    Exit Function

cmdOK_Click_Err:
If Err = 3204 Or Err = 3151 Or Err = 91 Or Err = 7874 Or Err = 3064 Or Err =
3011 Then
 Debug.Print (Err.Number & " " & Err.Description)
Resume Next
 Else
     MsgBox Err.Description
 End If



From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Sat May 17 21:37:41 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 22:37:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
References: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFAEAIDAAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>
Message-ID: <017701c31ce6$76b2c8f0$6401a8c0@default>

Robert,

Perhaps simply starting with
RefreshDatabaseWindow...?

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Gracie" <Subscriptions at servicexp.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 10:02 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question


>
> I'm trying to backup an open split back-end using the code below. This is
a
> "third" db that is opening up a back-end and copying the tables and data
to
> a newly created db. However I keep getting this error.
>
> 7874 SXP Maintenance System can't find the object 'Customer.' Note: SXP
> Maintenance is the name of the calling db


From rjhalljr at starpower.net  Sat May 17 22:00:13 2003
From: rjhalljr at starpower.net (Bob Hall)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 23:00:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
In-Reply-To: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFAEAIDAAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>
References: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFMEOJCPAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>
	<GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFAEAIDAAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>
Message-ID: <20030518030013.GA625@sten.alder.net>

On Sat, May 17, 2003 at 10:02:17PM -0400, Robert Gracie wrote:
> 
> I'm trying to backup an open split back-end using the code below. This is a
> "third" db that is opening up a back-end and copying the tables and data to
> a newly created db. However I keep getting this error.
> 
> 7874 SXP Maintenance System can't find the object 'Customer.' Note: SXP
> Maintenance is the name of the calling db

Sounds like database corruption. I don't fully understand the internal 
gears and levers, but Access seems to keep two sets of records of the 
objects in a database: one in the system tables, and one in the 
containers. Every once in a long while, when you delete an object, 
it will delete the object from the system tables, which allows the 
db to function normally, but leaves the deleted object name in the 
containers. So if you search the containers for object names, you'll 
get the name of an object that doesn't exist. From your code, I'm 
guessing that that's your problem.

A long term solution might be to search for names in the system tables 
and avoid the containers. To get your existing code working, make a 
backup copy of your mdb file and try one or all of the following:
1) Compact and Repair
2) the decompile switch
3) create an empty mdb file and import all the objects in your old
   mdb into your new, empty mdb. Archive the old mdb and use the 
   new mdb.

Bob Hall

From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Sun May 18 06:01:17 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 06:01:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] RE: DBA web site problem
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2DF1C9@exchange.pgdp>

It works, I tried it this morning and can see words now :-)
 
Thanks everyone for the hard work.
 
Va.

-----Original Message-----
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de [mailto:Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de]
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 6:04 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] RE: DBA web site problem


Thank you, Stephen,
appreciate your help very much
Lembit
 
Lembit Soobik


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Jim Lawrence  <mailto:accessd at shaw.ca> (AccessD) 
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>  
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 8:03 PM
Subject: [AccessD] RE: DBA web site problem

Hi All:
 
Stephen Hait has spent some time and resolved the problem. 

It seems to be an issue with the placement of a simple 'spacer' cell. Even
though the size is fixed in the parent window, IE5 has an apparent 'bug'
that causes the 'spacer' cell to always expand 100%, pushing the 'iframe'
contents out of view. By moving the 'spacer' cell from the parent to the
'iframe' content window the error is resolved.

Thanks again to Stephen for his efforts. The chances to the site should be
completed by this weekend.

Jim



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From Subscriptions at servicexp.com  Sun May 18 12:31:42 2003
From: Subscriptions at servicexp.com (Robert Gracie)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 13:31:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
In-Reply-To: <017701c31ce6$76b2c8f0$6401a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFAEAJDAAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>


Thanks, but no go.
 Why will it work if I copy the table into the "calling" db?



Robert Gracie

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
Mattys
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 10:38 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question


Robert,

Perhaps simply starting with
RefreshDatabaseWindow...?

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Gracie" <Subscriptions at servicexp.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 10:02 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question


>
> I'm trying to backup an open split back-end using the code below. This is
a
> "third" db that is opening up a back-end and copying the tables and data
to
> a newly created db. However I keep getting this error.
>
> 7874 SXP Maintenance System can't find the object 'Customer.' Note: SXP
> Maintenance is the name of the calling db

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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Sun May 18 20:03:19 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 21:03:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
References: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFAEAJDAAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>
Message-ID: <01bb01c31da2$7799c720$6401a8c0@default>

Ah, now I think I see the answer.
Use a function like this to copy desired objects:

Function CopyFromTo(sToPath, sNewName, lngObjType, sOldName)
    Dim objAcc As New Access.Application
    objAcc.OpenCurrentDatabase sToPath
    objAcc.DoCmd.CopyObject _
            sToPath, sNewName, lngObjType, sOldName
    objAcc.CloseCurrentDatabase
    objAcc.Quit
    Set objAcc = Nothing
End Function

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Gracie" <Subscriptions at servicexp.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 1:31 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question


>
> Thanks, but no go.
>  Why will it work if I copy the table into the "calling" db?
>
>
>
> Robert Gracie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
> Mattys
> Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 10:38 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
>
>
> Robert,
>
> Perhaps simply starting with
> RefreshDatabaseWindow...?
>
> Michael R. Mattys
> www.mattysconsulting.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Gracie" <Subscriptions at servicexp.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 10:02 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
>
>
> >
> > I'm trying to backup an open split back-end using the code below. This
is
> a
> > "third" db that is opening up a back-end and copying the tables and data
> to
> > a newly created db. However I keep getting this error.
> >
> > 7874 SXP Maintenance System can't find the object 'Customer.' Note: SXP
> > Maintenance is the name of the calling db
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
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>


From Subscriptions at servicexp.com  Sun May 18 20:43:33 2003
From: Subscriptions at servicexp.com (Robert Gracie)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 21:43:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
In-Reply-To: <01bb01c31da2$7799c720$6401a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFCEAKDAAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>


Thanks Michael,
 One last question, if you don't mind....

  How would I use this "objAcc.OpenCurrentDatabase sToPath" with User Level
Security turned on?

  The "third" db used is managed under the same security group as the db
that I want to backup...

Thanks A Million
Robert Gracie


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
Mattys
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 9:03 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question


Ah, now I think I see the answer.
Use a function like this to copy desired objects:

Function CopyFromTo(sToPath, sNewName, lngObjType, sOldName)
    Dim objAcc As New Access.Application
    objAcc.OpenCurrentDatabase sToPath
    objAcc.DoCmd.CopyObject _
            sToPath, sNewName, lngObjType, sOldName
    objAcc.CloseCurrentDatabase
    objAcc.Quit
    Set objAcc = Nothing
End Function

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Gracie" <Subscriptions at servicexp.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 1:31 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question


>
> Thanks, but no go.
>  Why will it work if I copy the table into the "calling" db?
>
>
>
> Robert Gracie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
> Mattys
> Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 10:38 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
>
>
> Robert,
>
> Perhaps simply starting with
> RefreshDatabaseWindow...?
>
> Michael R. Mattys
> www.mattysconsulting.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Gracie" <Subscriptions at servicexp.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 10:02 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
>
>
> >
> > I'm trying to backup an open split back-end using the code below. This
is
> a
> > "third" db that is opening up a back-end and copying the tables and data
> to
> > a newly created db. However I keep getting this error.
> >
> > 7874 SXP Maintenance System can't find the object 'Customer.' Note: SXP
> > Maintenance is the name of the calling db
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
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>

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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Sun May 18 21:02:44 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 22:02:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
References: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFCEAKDAAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>
Message-ID: <01c501c31daa$c457a570$6401a8c0@default>

ACC2000: How to Use the OpenDatabase Method to Open
                        Password-Protected Databases
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;209953

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Gracie" <Subscriptions at servicexp.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 9:43 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question


>
> Thanks Michael,
>  One last question, if you don't mind....
>
>   How would I use this "objAcc.OpenCurrentDatabase sToPath" with User
Level
> Security turned on?
>
>   The "third" db used is managed under the same security group as the db
> that I want to backup...
>
> Thanks A Million
> Robert Gracie
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
> Mattys
> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 9:03 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
>
>
> Ah, now I think I see the answer.
> Use a function like this to copy desired objects:
>
> Function CopyFromTo(sToPath, sNewName, lngObjType, sOldName)
>     Dim objAcc As New Access.Application
>     objAcc.OpenCurrentDatabase sToPath
>     objAcc.DoCmd.CopyObject _
>             sToPath, sNewName, lngObjType, sOldName
>     objAcc.CloseCurrentDatabase
>     objAcc.Quit
>     Set objAcc = Nothing
> End Function
>
> Michael R. Mattys
> www.mattysconsulting.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Gracie" <Subscriptions at servicexp.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 1:31 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
>
>
> >
> > Thanks, but no go.
> >  Why will it work if I copy the table into the "calling" db?
> >
> >
> >
> > Robert Gracie
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
> > Mattys
> > Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 10:38 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
> >
> >
> > Robert,
> >
> > Perhaps simply starting with
> > RefreshDatabaseWindow...?
> >
> > Michael R. Mattys
> > www.mattysconsulting.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Robert Gracie" <Subscriptions at servicexp.com>
> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 10:02 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I'm trying to backup an open split back-end using the code below. This
> is
> > a
> > > "third" db that is opening up a back-end and copying the tables and
data
> > to
> > > a newly created db. However I keep getting this error.
> > >
> > > 7874 SXP Maintenance System can't find the object 'Customer.' Note:
SXP
> > > Maintenance is the name of the calling db
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
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>
>
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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Sun May 18 21:05:48 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 22:05:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
References: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFCEAKDAAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>
Message-ID: <01d501c31dab$2c35c3c0$6401a8c0@default>

Ooops, scratch  that
Need to check permissions
What version of Access?

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

From Subscriptions at servicexp.com  Sun May 18 21:25:29 2003
From: Subscriptions at servicexp.com (Robert Gracie)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 22:25:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
In-Reply-To: <01d501c31dab$2c35c3c0$6401a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFMEAKDAAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>


A2K

Robert Gracie

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
Mattys
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 10:06 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question


Ooops, scratch  that
Need to check permissions
What version of Access?

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com
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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Sun May 18 21:42:59 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 22:42:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
References: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFMEAKDAAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>
Message-ID: <01e901c31db0$aa93d310$6401a8c0@default>

Robert,

No matter on version for DAO 3.6,
though I do have ADOX code.

I don't think I can post the code for
ADH 97 Chapter 14. 

Msg Sent to Robert Gracie

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Gracie" <Subscriptions at servicexp.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 10:25 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question


> 
> A2K
> 
> Robert Gracie
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
> Mattys
> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 10:06 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
> 
> 
> Ooops, scratch  that
> Need to check permissions
> What version of Access?
> 
> Michael R. Mattys
> www.mattysconsulting.com
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
> 
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From Subscriptions at servicexp.com  Sun May 18 21:57:52 2003
From: Subscriptions at servicexp.com (Robert Gracie)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 22:57:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
In-Reply-To: <01e901c31db0$aa93d310$6401a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFGEALDAAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>



I have the 2000 ADH , if that matters at all....


Robert Gracie

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
Mattys
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 10:43 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question


Robert,

No matter on version for DAO 3.6,
though I do have ADOX code.

I don't think I can post the code for
ADH 97 Chapter 14. 

Msg Sent to Robert Gracie

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Gracie" <Subscriptions at servicexp.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 10:25 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question


> 
> A2K
> 
> Robert Gracie
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
> Mattys
> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 10:06 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
> 
> 
> Ooops, scratch  that
> Need to check permissions
> What version of Access?
> 
> Michael R. Mattys
> www.mattysconsulting.com
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
> 
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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Sun May 18 22:03:29 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 23:03:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
References: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFMEAKDAAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>
	<01e901c31db0$aa93d310$6401a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <020401c31db3$3b0c01e0$6401a8c0@default>

Robert,

Did you receive my message to SubscriptionsAtServiceXP?

Any luck?

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

From Subscriptions at servicexp.com  Sun May 18 22:06:11 2003
From: Subscriptions at servicexp.com (Robert Gracie)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 23:06:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
In-Reply-To: <020401c31db3$3b0c01e0$6401a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFOEALDAAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>


No I didn't;  try --  Robert at servicexp.com


Thanks!!
Robert Gracie

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
Mattys
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 11:03 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question


Robert,

Did you receive my message to SubscriptionsAtServiceXP?

Any luck?

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com
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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Sun May 18 22:52:08 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 23:52:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
References: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFOEALDAAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>
Message-ID: <022d01c31dba$0d866560$6401a8c0@default>

Robert,

Your server is not responding
I guess you couldn't have received my message

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Gracie" <Subscriptions at servicexp.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 11:06 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question

> No I didn't;  try --  Robert at servicexp.com
> 
> 
> Thanks!!
> Robert Gracie

From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sun May 18 23:42:11 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 21:42:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
Message-ID: <013901c31dc1$0343e260$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Dear List(s):

Got a new computer to put into a room where we can't reach it with CAT-5.  So I've been ready to go wireless, except someone suggested using the phone lines in the house (just as a substitute wire) instead of wireless.  Apparently, there's a device that will connect the NIC and the phone jack and you can use the phone wires in the house for networking.

Sounds, easy, and cheap, and low tech.  Anyone know about this?

MTIA

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Mon May 19 02:38:41 2003
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 11:38:41 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] MS DLL HELL ... OOPS MS DLL Help Database :)
Message-ID: <001a01c31dd9$b01327e0$b501010a@DAISY.local>

Hi All,

I've got today a useful link on MS Site:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=/servicedesks/fileversion/dll
info.asp  (watch line wrap!)

Go have a look if you didn't yet know about that - it was a new info for me
today and I was a kind of surprised they (finally? or a long ago?) published
this info. Why they didn't yet publish in that compact way the info what of
these DLLs are compatible and what are incompatible? - just wondering...

Shamil

--
e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru
Web: http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s



From michael.broesdorf at web.de  Mon May 19 03:23:18 2003
From: michael.broesdorf at web.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michael_Br=F6sdorf?=)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:23:18 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] ODBC-Problem (Cross-posted)
In-Reply-To: <001a01c31dd9$b01327e0$b501010a@DAISY.local>
Message-ID: <NEBBIILOPOPJBCLJIJHHGEMJEAAA.michael.broesdorf@web.de>

Hi all,

I have a strange problem with my Access 2K app:

The app uses linked ODBC tables to connect to a SQL-Server 2000. One of the
tables actually links a view that combines data from 2 tables. A data entry
form is based on that linked table.

I can update data in all the fields with one exception: when I try to update
data in fields that originate from both base tables I get this ODBC error:

"[Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][SQL Server]View of function
'dbo.myview' is not updateable because the modification affects multiple
base tables. (#4405#)"

It does not make a difference if I try that in the data entry form or the
linked table directly.

Now, the strange thing is, if I open the view on the server using the
enterprise manager, I _can_ update fields from different base tables
simultaneously.

Is there any way to 'convince' my app, that this kind of updates _is_
possible?



Michael


From michael.broesdorf at web.de  Mon May 19 03:23:18 2003
From: michael.broesdorf at web.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michael_Br=F6sdorf?=)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:23:18 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer]ODBC-Problem (Cross-posted)
In-Reply-To: <001a01c31dd9$b01327e0$b501010a@DAISY.local>
Message-ID: <NEBBIILOPOPJBCLJIJHHGEMJEAAA.michael.broesdorf@web.de>

Hi all,

I have a strange problem with my Access 2K app:

The app uses linked ODBC tables to connect to a SQL-Server 2000. One of the
tables actually links a view that combines data from 2 tables. A data entry
form is based on that linked table.

I can update data in all the fields with one exception: when I try to update
data in fields that originate from both base tables I get this ODBC error:

"[Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][SQL Server]View of function
'dbo.myview' is not updateable because the modification affects multiple
base tables. (#4405#)"

It does not make a difference if I try that in the data entry form or the
linked table directly.

Now, the strange thing is, if I open the view on the server using the
enterprise manager, I _can_ update fields from different base tables
simultaneously.

Is there any way to 'convince' my app, that this kind of updates _is_
possible?



Michael

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From Subscriptions at servicexp.com  Mon May 19 06:05:01 2003
From: Subscriptions at servicexp.com (Robert Gracie)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 07:05:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
In-Reply-To: <022d01c31dba$0d866560$6401a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFOEANDAAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>

Hmmmmmm,
 That is strange, I just ran a bunch of test msg through both accounts, and
at this point all is working ok.

If you don't mind could you send it again, or if you have ADH 2000, guide me
to where I should be looking...


Thanks for all your help!!

Robert Gracie
http://servicexp.com



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
Mattys
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 11:52 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question


Robert,

Your server is not responding
I guess you couldn't have received my message

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Gracie" <Subscriptions at servicexp.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 11:06 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question

> No I didn't;  try --  Robert at servicexp.com
>
>
> Thanks!!
> Robert Gracie
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From nancy.lytle at auatac.com  Mon May 19 06:57:08 2003
From: nancy.lytle at auatac.com (Nancy Lytle)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 07:57:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL List
In-Reply-To: <003401c31c9e$6b1bcb60$daa1fea9@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <OPEHJDCMPKDOHDELKBPHIENIDLAA.nancy.lytle@auatac.com>

Message
I would recommend getting, The Guru's Guide to Transact-SQL by Ken
Henderson,
and Writing Stored Procedures for Microsoft SQL Server by Matt Shepker.

They are very useful for what you need.

HTH,
N Lytle
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From artful at rogers.com  Mon May 19 07:23:11 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 08:23:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL List
In-Reply-To: <003401c31c9e$6b1bcb60$daa1fea9@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <03a401c31e01$6a0db670$8e01a8c0@Rock>

I played with your problem and came up with a "solution", but then re-read
your note and discovered that I had missed part of the problem. The phrase
"grouping sort" confuses me. Do you mean something like this:
 
PK    FK    YourColumn
1    1    10
2    1    20
3    2    10
4    2    20
5    3    10
6    1    40
 
If so, you're right, it is a little tricky. In the sample above, you need to
find the largest value in YourColumn where the FK is equal to the FK you are
inserting. Is that what you need?
 
Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Karen Feller
Nicholson
Sent: May 17, 2003 2:02 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL List


Well Well.  Let me confess to what I have done THIS time.  Years ago I
started out as a contract Access programmer and had never touched Access.
Now I went and got myself hired at this great company as Database
Administrator for SQL and a Crystal Programmer.  Oh my.  I started Friday;
they interviewed me Tuesday afternoon and called me Thursday afternoon to
start.  They know I am not that proficient in SQL and Crystal, but they
seemed more interested in my personality than my job skills.  So there is
this SQL program already written, MasterMind, that I have to write triggers
and stored procedures, creating these for various departments to write
reports.  I got tired of consulting after 8 years - too much going on at
once and then waiting for cheap ***'s to pay us.  So I walked out and left
my poor partner here WILD EYED as he now has enough work for 1.5 Access
programmers and is only one person.  I got an earful when I came home Friday
night.  My first project thrown at me was to add a column to a table that
increments values by 10, renumerating when the grouping sort changes.
Figured that would be easy - ha ha.  I am delving into the cursor crap, did
the increment value in the table itself but it does not know when to start
back again at 10.  That is my current dilemma.  I am sure that I will catch
on, but I am sure to be a pain in the bum for a month or two until I get my
feet under me.  Anybody ever work with MasterMind which I have nicked named
MasterBa*** at this point.  Fun fun.  All help is appreciated.  And anyone
who can calm Mike down with his new found too much work scenario as well.
He smoked two packs of cigarettes my first day on the job!!!!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Wortz,  <mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us> Charles 
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 01:03 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL List

Karen,
 
As you see from the list Dave gives you, there are many flavors of SQL.
Which flavor are you most interested in? M$'s Jet SQL for the Jet db engine,
or M$'s T-SQL for the SQL Server engine, or ANSI SQL that everybody claims
to be compliant with but does not fully implement?

Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 

-----Original Message-----
From: dave sharpe [mailto:davesharpe2 at cox.net] 
Sent: Saturday 2003 May 17 11:29
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL List


Karen
 
http://groups.yahoo.com/
 
Has a "SQL_beginners" list
 
Do a search there. They have over 500 SQL related groups.
 
Dave

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Karen  <mailto:ksfeller at earthlink.net> Feller Nicholson 
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 8:58 AM
Subject: [AccessD] SQL List

Does anyone belong to an SQL list similiar to this Access List that they
recommend?  
Karen S. Nicholson
(724) 942-3437
ksfeller at earthlink.net



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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Mon May 19 07:29:10 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 05:29:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
In-Reply-To: <013901c31dc1$0343e260$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <20030519122910.46917.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com>

I highly recommend against this.  Most telephone
wiring in homes is CAT3 *AT BEST*.  In alot of cases,
not even that good.

Most home telephone wiring is so splices and
mickey-moused together that you will be lucky if you
get any connection at all.  And if you do, it will
probably be spotty, at best, due to electromagenetic
interferance from other devices.

Network engineering is what I do for a living.  I'd go
wireless LONG before I'd trust home telco wiring for
my LAN.  Myself, I strung CAT5 in my house.  But
that's because I know how to.  For most home users
wireless would be a perfect fit.  If you're worried
about people leeching your bandwidth or "sniffing" off
of your wireless LAN, there are ways to lock it down,
simply.  Will it stop the determined leech?  Nope. 
But it would stop 90% of the leeches that are out
there, because most are just looking for free
bandwidth.  Not to mention, I'd think you'd notice
someone sitting in front of your house with a
laptop....hehehee

--- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
<bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> Dear List(s):
> 
> Got a new computer to put into a room where we can't
> reach it with CAT-5.  So I've been ready to go
> wireless, except someone suggested using the phone
> lines in the house (just as a substitute wire)
> instead of wireless.  Apparently, there's a device
> that will connect the NIC and the phone jack and you
> can use the phone wires in the house for networking.
> 
> Sounds, easy, and cheap, and low tech.  Anyone know
> about this?
> 
> MTIA
> 
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> > _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Mon May 19 07:36:50 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 08:36:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
References: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFOEANDAAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>
Message-ID: <025101c31e03$53b8eff0$6401a8c0@default>

Robert,

I sent to you adhCheckPermission last night and this morning.
No "Return To Sender" was issued.

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Gracie" <Subscriptions at servicexp.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 7:05 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question


> Hmmmmmm,
>  That is strange, I just ran a bunch of test msg through both accounts,
and
> at this point all is working ok.
>
> If you don't mind could you send it again, or if you have ADH 2000, guide
me
> to where I should be looking...
>
>
> Thanks for all your help!!
>
> Robert Gracie
> http://servicexp.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
> Mattys
> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 11:52 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
>
>
> Robert,
>
> Your server is not responding
> I guess you couldn't have received my message
>
> Michael R. Mattys
> www.mattysconsulting.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Gracie" <Subscriptions at servicexp.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 11:06 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
>
> > No I didn't;  try --  Robert at servicexp.com
> >
> >
> > Thanks!!
> > Robert Gracie
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From marcel.vreuls at oop.nl  Mon May 19 07:35:13 2003
From: marcel.vreuls at oop.nl (Marcel Vreuls)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 14:35:13 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: TEST
In-Reply-To: <F11pw4SvcDfSDGAIXWb00013e6c@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000101c31e03$18595a30$c100a8c0@OOPMBO>




From delliker at hotmail.com  Mon May 19 08:28:13 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 09:28:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
Message-ID: <Law12-F112UDrFVFURx0002b6da@hotmail.com>

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From sgeller at cce.umn.edu  Mon May 19 08:35:12 2003
From: sgeller at cce.umn.edu (Susan Geller)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 08:35:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale
Message-ID: <CD6E25A7E2F6734FA126AED83B9D54FB01119B83@ccemail2.cce.local>

John,

I'm actively in search of a Dell so this offer is appealing, but I can't recreate it on the Dell site.  I get much closer to $1000 than $500.  To get the price you have below, looks like I need to get a Celeron, but your description below is for the Pentium 4.  Can you give me a good link to follow to get this price point?

--Susan


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 10:31 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale


Just a heads up for anyone looking for a new box.  Dell is having a sale. Cheapest I can get is $466:

Dimension 2350 Series
Intel? Pentium? 4 Processor at 2.20GHz with 512K L2 Cache

 Qty: 1
 Price: $539.00

    Date: Friday, May 16, 2003 10:27:05 AM CDT
    Catalog Number: 4 04
Dimension 2350 Series:   Intel? Pentium? 4 Processor at 2.20GHz with 512K L2
Cache   DX2322   [221-1776]
Memory:   128MB DDR-SDRAM   128M   [311-1648]
Keyboard:   Dell? Quietkey? Keyboard   QK   [310-1582]
Monitor:   No Monitor   N   [320-3000]
Video Card:   Integrated Intel? Extreme 3D Graphics   IV   [430-3900]
Hard Drive:   FREE UPGRADE! 60GB Ultra ATA/100 7200RPM Hard Drive   60P
[461-9796]
Floppy Drive and Additional Storage Devices:   No Floppy Drive   NFD
[340-8688]
Operating System:   Microsoft? Windows? XP Professional??   WPXP
[313-7222] [412-0309] [420-1922]
Mouse:   Dell? 2-button scroll mouse   SM   [310-1871]
Network Interface:   Integrated 10/100 Ethernet   IN   [430-0441]
Modem:   No Modem Requested   N   [313-3607]
CD or DVD Drive:   48x Max CD-ROM Drive   CD48   [313-1476]
Sound Card:   Integrated Audio   IS   [313-0847]
Speakers:   No Speaker Option   N   [313-4514]
Bundled Software:   WordPerfect? Productivity Pack with Quicken New User
Edition   COREL   [412-0302]
Security Software:   Dell SecurityCenter by McAfee, 90-day introductory
offer   MCAFE90   [412-0326]
Digital Music:   Dell Jukebox powered by MUSICMATCH   MMBASE   [412-0298]
Digital Photography:   Dell Picture Studio Image Expert Standard   DPS
[412-0271] [412-0273]
Limited Warranty, Services and Support Options:   1 Year Limited Warranty
plus 1 Year On-site Service   AUY111   [412-0360] [900-9054] [950-7960]
Dial-Up Internet Access:   FREE 6 Months of AOL Internet Access   AOLSMB
[412-0371] [412-0368]
Multi-Media Players:   RealOne(tm) Player, with 14 day SuperPass trial
REALBAS   [412-0380]

They show the price as $539 but in the checkout line they subtract $48 for a coupon - 43C49AB1D6C5 and a $50 "rebate", for a final price of 466.51.  Box only, no monitor, no floppy, 128mb ram.

Not a bad price!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Mon May 19 08:44:59 2003
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 08:44:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS: <no su
	bject>)
Message-ID: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB2338C7A3@TAPPEEXCH01>

I agree completely with that concept, John.
But what about code WITHIN the class itself?  Do you refer to the
module-level variable, or the Property?


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 6:26 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS: <no
subject>)


Brett,

That is a good question.  The reason most often given for using properties
to get / set a private variable rather than dimming the variable public is
simply the ability to control access to the variable.  It goes back to the
global argument in essence.  By controlling writes through a let statement,
you can do parameter checking.  For example, suppose you are building a car
and you want a "doors" variable that says how many doors it has.  By feeding
it through a let statement, you can check that the value passed in is >0 and
<6 or something similar.  The question then becomes, if I don't have to do
any such checking do (should) I still use get / let?

Of course there are also times where you want to provide a read only value.
I.e. the value is set by some process and the value can only be read out.
The Acceleration of the car is determined by the weight, horsepower,
transmission, rear axle etc, all fed into a complex function and provided as
a readable value.  No "user" of the class should be able to write directly
to this variable.

And finally there are times (seldom but possible) where you want a write
only variable - password for example.

I try very hard to dim all class variables private and use property get /
let to read / write the value.  That way if later on I do want to restrict
access in any way, I simply go to my existing get / let and add the
functionality I desire.  The "interface" doesn't break because the user is
always forced to go through my properties.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 4:36 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS: <no
subject>)


That raises a good question, since I am not from the elite OO camp, I'd like
to know this:
Is it considered a bad practice to refer to the underlying variable within a
class directly?

Bryan, no need to apologize.  You may have stirred up an interesting
discussion, even if by accident.


-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 3:16 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD]


Now I'm thoroughly confused as to whose head is being bashed and why.
You can create private Let and Get properties, although a private Get
seems pointless to me, since it will only be available within the class
module and you don't really need it there except maybe for symmetry.  A
private Let property, on the other hand, could be called and used within
the class itself, so it might be useful.  Now, which one of you was
wrong ... And about what???

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 11:44 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD]


On 17 May 2003 at 1:05, Bruce Bruen wrote:

> However, re Bryan's comment - why can't the attribute value setting
> code be private - fundamentally it's an attribute that <u>cannot</u>
> be updated via this interface, but it does need to be visible to users

> of the class.  In this case the clubname is retrieved internally in
> the class - it is a header for the object.
>
> I don't believe that the public get/private let construct is
> syntactically incorrect.  However, is it philosophically incorrect?  I

It's not. I made a boo-boo.

All VB(A) programming has taken a back seat for me these days. PHP is
what I've been doing recently, so chalk it up to brain freeze.

Doh! (Bashes head against keyboard repeatedly) Doh! Doh! :)

Sorry 'bout that.

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon May 19 08:53:04 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 06:53:04 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
References: <20030519122910.46917.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <005601c31e0d$f827ec80$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Frank:

Thanks for the heads up.  I can get CAT5 to that room but it will cost
$500-600 because of where it is.  :(

Looks like wireless for me.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:29 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


> I highly recommend against this.  Most telephone
> wiring in homes is CAT3 *AT BEST*.  In alot of cases,
> not even that good.
>
> Most home telephone wiring is so splices and
> mickey-moused together that you will be lucky if you
> get any connection at all.  And if you do, it will
> probably be spotty, at best, due to electromagenetic
> interferance from other devices.
>
> Network engineering is what I do for a living.  I'd go
> wireless LONG before I'd trust home telco wiring for
> my LAN.  Myself, I strung CAT5 in my house.  But
> that's because I know how to.  For most home users
> wireless would be a perfect fit.  If you're worried
> about people leeching your bandwidth or "sniffing" off
> of your wireless LAN, there are ways to lock it down,
> simply.  Will it stop the determined leech?  Nope.
> But it would stop 90% of the leeches that are out
> there, because most are just looking for free
> bandwidth.  Not to mention, I'd think you'd notice
> someone sitting in front of your house with a
> laptop....hehehee
>
> --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > Dear List(s):
> >
> > Got a new computer to put into a room where we can't
> > reach it with CAT-5.  So I've been ready to go
> > wireless, except someone suggested using the phone
> > lines in the house (just as a substitute wire)
> > instead of wireless.  Apparently, there's a device
> > that will connect the NIC and the phone jack and you
> > can use the phone wires in the house for networking.
> >
> > Sounds, easy, and cheap, and low tech.  Anyone know
> > about this?
> >
> > MTIA
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
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> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon May 19 09:01:36 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:01:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale
In-Reply-To: <CD6E25A7E2F6734FA126AED83B9D54FB01119B83@ccemail2.cce.local>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOENKDMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>


http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?CS=04&kc=6W300&oc=dim4550
2

Upgrade to XP Pro (Highly recommended!)

Click Continue until you get to "Checkout"
Go to Checkout.  Enter 43C49AB1D6C5 in the coupon code box and click Apply
Coupon

At this point you should see the price of $659 minus discounts of $155.  the
specific package I was seeing the other day was for 128mb RAM and this one
is 256mb.  You have to jump on any offer they make pretty much within a day
or so or they change it around.

This does include free shipping.

~$500 + tax for package delivered.  Understand that my assumption is that
you are upgrading an existing system (buying just the box) so you are not
buying a monitor, router on any of that stuff.  Also this system comes with
no floppy.  Of course you can go through and add anything you want from
there but the cost will go up.

Happy hunting.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Geller
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:35 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale


John,

I'm actively in search of a Dell so this offer is appealing, but I can't
recreate it on the Dell site.  I get much closer to $1000 than $500.  To get
the price you have below, looks like I need to get a Celeron, but your
description below is for the Pentium 4.  Can you give me a good link to
follow to get this price point?

--Susan




From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon May 19 09:04:25 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:04:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS: <no
	subject>)
In-Reply-To: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB2338C7A3@TAPPEEXCH01>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCENLDMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Within the class itself all code directly references the variable.  If you
think you are going to forget something and want to do the same filtering
that outside users see, go ahead and use the properties.  My assumption is
that properties are for those dumb programmers using my object, not the dumb
programmer creating my object.  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:45 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS: <no
subject>)


I agree completely with that concept, John.
But what about code WITHIN the class itself?  Do you refer to the
module-level variable, or the Property?


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 6:26 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS: <no
subject>)


Brett,

That is a good question.  The reason most often given for using properties
to get / set a private variable rather than dimming the variable public is
simply the ability to control access to the variable.  It goes back to the
global argument in essence.  By controlling writes through a let statement,
you can do parameter checking.  For example, suppose you are building a car
and you want a "doors" variable that says how many doors it has.  By feeding
it through a let statement, you can check that the value passed in is >0 and
<6 or something similar.  The question then becomes, if I don't have to do
any such checking do (should) I still use get / let?

Of course there are also times where you want to provide a read only value.
I.e. the value is set by some process and the value can only be read out.
The Acceleration of the car is determined by the weight, horsepower,
transmission, rear axle etc, all fed into a complex function and provided as
a readable value.  No "user" of the class should be able to write directly
to this variable.

And finally there are times (seldom but possible) where you want a write
only variable - password for example.

I try very hard to dim all class variables private and use property get /
let to read / write the value.  That way if later on I do want to restrict
access in any way, I simply go to my existing get / let and add the
functionality I desire.  The "interface" doesn't break because the user is
always forced to go through my properties.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 4:36 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS: <no
subject>)


That raises a good question, since I am not from the elite OO camp, I'd like
to know this:
Is it considered a bad practice to refer to the underlying variable within a
class directly?

Bryan, no need to apologize.  You may have stirred up an interesting
discussion, even if by accident.


-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 3:16 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD]


Now I'm thoroughly confused as to whose head is being bashed and why.
You can create private Let and Get properties, although a private Get
seems pointless to me, since it will only be available within the class
module and you don't really need it there except maybe for symmetry.  A
private Let property, on the other hand, could be called and used within
the class itself, so it might be useful.  Now, which one of you was
wrong ... And about what???

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 11:44 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD]


On 17 May 2003 at 1:05, Bruce Bruen wrote:

> However, re Bryan's comment - why can't the attribute value setting
> code be private - fundamentally it's an attribute that <u>cannot</u>
> be updated via this interface, but it does need to be visible to users

> of the class.  In this case the clubname is retrieved internally in
> the class - it is a header for the object.
>
> I don't believe that the public get/private let construct is
> syntactically incorrect.  However, is it philosophically incorrect?  I

It's not. I made a boo-boo.

All VB(A) programming has taken a back seat for me these days. PHP is
what I've been doing recently, so chalk it up to brain freeze.

Doh! (Bashes head against keyboard repeatedly) Doh! Doh! :)

Sorry 'bout that.

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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Mon May 19 09:10:17 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:10:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS:
    <nosubject>)
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85C03@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

I normally refer to the private variable too but I've also referred to the property by name.  Why?  Because if I have a large class with a lot of private variables/properties if I use Me.PropertyName syntax I can use the built-in Intellisense feature to grab the property name for me rather than ask "what was that variable called?".

HTH,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 10:04 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS:
<nosubject>)


Within the class itself all code directly references the variable.  If you
think you are going to forget something and want to do the same filtering
that outside users see, go ahead and use the properties.  My assumption is
that properties are for those dumb programmers using my object, not the dumb
programmer creating my object.  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:45 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS: <no
subject>)


I agree completely with that concept, John.
But what about code WITHIN the class itself?  Do you refer to the
module-level variable, or the Property?


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 6:26 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS: <no
subject>)


Brett,

That is a good question.  The reason most often given for using properties
to get / set a private variable rather than dimming the variable public is
simply the ability to control access to the variable.  It goes back to the
global argument in essence.  By controlling writes through a let statement,
you can do parameter checking.  For example, suppose you are building a car
and you want a "doors" variable that says how many doors it has.  By feeding
it through a let statement, you can check that the value passed in is >0 and
<6 or something similar.  The question then becomes, if I don't have to do
any such checking do (should) I still use get / let?

Of course there are also times where you want to provide a read only value.
I.e. the value is set by some process and the value can only be read out.
The Acceleration of the car is determined by the weight, horsepower,
transmission, rear axle etc, all fed into a complex function and provided as
a readable value.  No "user" of the class should be able to write directly
to this variable.

And finally there are times (seldom but possible) where you want a write
only variable - password for example.

I try very hard to dim all class variables private and use property get /
let to read / write the value.  That way if later on I do want to restrict
access in any way, I simply go to my existing get / let and add the
functionality I desire.  The "interface" doesn't break because the user is
always forced to go through my properties.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 4:36 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS: <no
subject>)


That raises a good question, since I am not from the elite OO camp, I'd like
to know this:
Is it considered a bad practice to refer to the underlying variable within a
class directly?

Bryan, no need to apologize.  You may have stirred up an interesting
discussion, even if by accident.


-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 3:16 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD]


Now I'm thoroughly confused as to whose head is being bashed and why.
You can create private Let and Get properties, although a private Get
seems pointless to me, since it will only be available within the class
module and you don't really need it there except maybe for symmetry.  A
private Let property, on the other hand, could be called and used within
the class itself, so it might be useful.  Now, which one of you was
wrong ... And about what???

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 11:44 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD]


On 17 May 2003 at 1:05, Bruce Bruen wrote:

> However, re Bryan's comment - why can't the attribute value setting
> code be private - fundamentally it's an attribute that <u>cannot</u>
> be updated via this interface, but it does need to be visible to users

> of the class.  In this case the clubname is retrieved internally in
> the class - it is a header for the object.
>
> I don't believe that the public get/private let construct is
> syntactically incorrect.  However, is it philosophically incorrect?  I

It's not. I made a boo-boo.

All VB(A) programming has taken a back seat for me these days. PHP is
what I've been doing recently, so chalk it up to brain freeze.

Doh! (Bashes head against keyboard repeatedly) Doh! Doh! :)

Sorry 'bout that.

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon May 19 09:12:23 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 07:12:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
References: <20030519122910.46917.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com>
	<005601c31e0d$f827ec80$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <007101c31e10$ab1117c0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Frank:

Here's another question:  Can I daisy chain a wireless router to my wired
router?  I'm out of ports.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 6:53 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


> Frank:
>
> Thanks for the heads up.  I can get CAT5 to that room but it will cost
> $500-600 because of where it is.  :(
>
> Looks like wireless for me.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
>
>
> > I highly recommend against this.  Most telephone
> > wiring in homes is CAT3 *AT BEST*.  In alot of cases,
> > not even that good.
> >
> > Most home telephone wiring is so splices and
> > mickey-moused together that you will be lucky if you
> > get any connection at all.  And if you do, it will
> > probably be spotty, at best, due to electromagenetic
> > interferance from other devices.
> >
> > Network engineering is what I do for a living.  I'd go
> > wireless LONG before I'd trust home telco wiring for
> > my LAN.  Myself, I strung CAT5 in my house.  But
> > that's because I know how to.  For most home users
> > wireless would be a perfect fit.  If you're worried
> > about people leeching your bandwidth or "sniffing" off
> > of your wireless LAN, there are ways to lock it down,
> > simply.  Will it stop the determined leech?  Nope.
> > But it would stop 90% of the leeches that are out
> > there, because most are just looking for free
> > bandwidth.  Not to mention, I'd think you'd notice
> > someone sitting in front of your house with a
> > laptop....hehehee
> >
> > --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > > Dear List(s):
> > >
> > > Got a new computer to put into a room where we can't
> > > reach it with CAT-5.  So I've been ready to go
> > > wireless, except someone suggested using the phone
> > > lines in the house (just as a substitute wire)
> > > instead of wireless.  Apparently, there's a device
> > > that will connect the NIC and the phone jack and you
> > > can use the phone wires in the house for networking.
> > >
> > > Sounds, easy, and cheap, and low tech.  Anyone know
> > > about this?
> > >
> > > MTIA
> > >
> > > Rocky Smolin
> > > Beach Access Software
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Mon May 19 09:19:46 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 07:19:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
In-Reply-To: <007101c31e10$ab1117c0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <20030519141946.33206.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com>

Yes, you can.  In fact I am considering this myself,
so that I can have network access in my back yard and
driveway areas.  Yes, I'm a geek at home too...ROFL

Cabling can get very expensive, unless you can do it
yourself.  It's not so much the cable that's
expensive.  It's the labor.  It's a b*tch to snake
that cable throgh the rafters of the house and then
down the inside walls.  Especially if your inside
walls are insulated too, which most are anymore.

I was talking with one of the engineers at DLink, and
they recomment not using more that ten wireless
devices per wireless router.  That's one of the
reasons I could never fully network my house via
wireless.  I have too many network devices and will be
adding more as I automate my home via computer.

--- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
<bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> Frank:
> 
> Here's another question:  Can I daisy chain a
> wireless router to my wired
> router?  I'm out of ports.
> 
> Rocky
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software"
> <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 6:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> lines
> 
> 
> > Frank:
> >
> > Thanks for the heads up.  I can get CAT5 to that
> room but it will cost
> > $500-600 because of where it is.  :(
> >
> > Looks like wireless for me.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:29 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> lines
> >
> >
> > > I highly recommend against this.  Most telephone
> > > wiring in homes is CAT3 *AT BEST*.  In alot of
> cases,
> > > not even that good.
> > >
> > > Most home telephone wiring is so splices and
> > > mickey-moused together that you will be lucky if
> you
> > > get any connection at all.  And if you do, it
> will
> > > probably be spotty, at best, due to
> electromagenetic
> > > interferance from other devices.
> > >
> > > Network engineering is what I do for a living. 
> I'd go
> > > wireless LONG before I'd trust home telco wiring
> for
> > > my LAN.  Myself, I strung CAT5 in my house.  But
> > > that's because I know how to.  For most home
> users
> > > wireless would be a perfect fit.  If you're
> worried
> > > about people leeching your bandwidth or
> "sniffing" off
> > > of your wireless LAN, there are ways to lock it
> down,
> > > simply.  Will it stop the determined leech? 
> Nope.
> > > But it would stop 90% of the leeches that are
> out
> > > there, because most are just looking for free
> > > bandwidth.  Not to mention, I'd think you'd
> notice
> > > someone sitting in front of your house with a
> > > laptop....hehehee
> > >
> > > --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > > > Dear List(s):
> > > >
> > > > Got a new computer to put into a room where we
> can't
> > > > reach it with CAT-5.  So I've been ready to go
> > > > wireless, except someone suggested using the
> phone
> > > > lines in the house (just as a substitute wire)
> > > > instead of wireless.  Apparently, there's a
> device
> > > > that will connect the NIC and the phone jack
> and you
> > > > can use the phone wires in the house for
> networking.
> > > >
> > > > Sounds, easy, and cheap, and low tech.  Anyone
> know
> > > > about this?
> > > >
> > > > MTIA
> > > >
> > > > Rocky Smolin
> > > > Beach Access Software
> > > > >
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon May 19 09:23:16 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:23:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS:
	<nosubject>)
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85C03@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEENMDMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Hmm... that certainly works.  I would be careful where I used it however as
there is a speed penalty.  Any function call has to build a stack, push
objects onto the stack, and then return values back to the caller.  If this
is happening as the user types, who cares.  If it is happening in a tight
loop, 20000 times as the user twiddles their thumbs...

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 10:10 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS:
<nosubject>)


I normally refer to the private variable too but I've also referred to the
property by name.  Why?  Because if I have a large class with a lot of
private variables/properties if I use Me.PropertyName syntax I can use the
built-in Intellisense feature to grab the property name for me rather than
ask "what was that variable called?".

HTH,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 10:04 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS:
<nosubject>)


Within the class itself all code directly references the variable.  If you
think you are going to forget something and want to do the same filtering
that outside users see, go ahead and use the properties.  My assumption is
that properties are for those dumb programmers using my object, not the dumb
programmer creating my object.  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:45 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS: <no
subject>)


I agree completely with that concept, John.
But what about code WITHIN the class itself?  Do you refer to the
module-level variable, or the Property?


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 6:26 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS: <no
subject>)


Brett,

That is a good question.  The reason most often given for using properties
to get / set a private variable rather than dimming the variable public is
simply the ability to control access to the variable.  It goes back to the
global argument in essence.  By controlling writes through a let statement,
you can do parameter checking.  For example, suppose you are building a car
and you want a "doors" variable that says how many doors it has.  By feeding
it through a let statement, you can check that the value passed in is >0 and
<6 or something similar.  The question then becomes, if I don't have to do
any such checking do (should) I still use get / let?

Of course there are also times where you want to provide a read only value.
I.e. the value is set by some process and the value can only be read out.
The Acceleration of the car is determined by the weight, horsepower,
transmission, rear axle etc, all fed into a complex function and provided as
a readable value.  No "user" of the class should be able to write directly
to this variable.

And finally there are times (seldom but possible) where you want a write
only variable - password for example.

I try very hard to dim all class variables private and use property get /
let to read / write the value.  That way if later on I do want to restrict
access in any way, I simply go to my existing get / let and add the
functionality I desire.  The "interface" doesn't break because the user is
always forced to go through my properties.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 4:36 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS: <no
subject>)


That raises a good question, since I am not from the elite OO camp, I'd like
to know this:
Is it considered a bad practice to refer to the underlying variable within a
class directly?

Bryan, no need to apologize.  You may have stirred up an interesting
discussion, even if by accident.


-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 3:16 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD]


Now I'm thoroughly confused as to whose head is being bashed and why.
You can create private Let and Get properties, although a private Get
seems pointless to me, since it will only be available within the class
module and you don't really need it there except maybe for symmetry.  A
private Let property, on the other hand, could be called and used within
the class itself, so it might be useful.  Now, which one of you was
wrong ... And about what???

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 11:44 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD]


On 17 May 2003 at 1:05, Bruce Bruen wrote:

> However, re Bryan's comment - why can't the attribute value setting
> code be private - fundamentally it's an attribute that <u>cannot</u>
> be updated via this interface, but it does need to be visible to users

> of the class.  In this case the clubname is retrieved internally in
> the class - it is a header for the object.
>
> I don't believe that the public get/private let construct is
> syntactically incorrect.  However, is it philosophically incorrect?  I

It's not. I made a boo-boo.

All VB(A) programming has taken a back seat for me these days. PHP is
what I've been doing recently, so chalk it up to brain freeze.

Doh! (Bashes head against keyboard repeatedly) Doh! Doh! :)

Sorry 'bout that.

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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Mon May 19 09:23:24 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 07:23:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
In-Reply-To: <005601c31e0d$f827ec80$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <20030519142324.49431.qmail@web13409.mail.yahoo.com>

No problemo.  When I wired all of the network
connections in my house, I also wired all of the phone
lines using CAT5.  Mainly because I can.  It DOES help
with phone clarity, but not really enough to justify
the expense unless you're already doing it.  And I get
the added bonus of telling the phone company they're
full of it when they try to tell me the noise on the
line is because of the wiring in my house....hehehe

I am my Internet and phone company's worst nightmare. 
A "user" that knows more than their support
people....hehe  I usually ask to speak directly to
their Network Ops people so I can tell them how to fix
the problem, rather than just telling them I have a
problem...hehehe

--- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
<bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> Frank:
> 
> Thanks for the heads up.  I can get CAT5 to that
> room but it will cost
> $500-600 because of where it is.  :(
> 
> Looks like wireless for me.
> 
> Rocky
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> lines
> 
> 
> > I highly recommend against this.  Most telephone
> > wiring in homes is CAT3 *AT BEST*.  In alot of
> cases,
> > not even that good.
> >
> > Most home telephone wiring is so splices and
> > mickey-moused together that you will be lucky if
> you
> > get any connection at all.  And if you do, it will
> > probably be spotty, at best, due to
> electromagenetic
> > interferance from other devices.
> >
> > Network engineering is what I do for a living. 
> I'd go
> > wireless LONG before I'd trust home telco wiring
> for
> > my LAN.  Myself, I strung CAT5 in my house.  But
> > that's because I know how to.  For most home users
> > wireless would be a perfect fit.  If you're
> worried
> > about people leeching your bandwidth or "sniffing"
> off
> > of your wireless LAN, there are ways to lock it
> down,
> > simply.  Will it stop the determined leech?  Nope.
> > But it would stop 90% of the leeches that are out
> > there, because most are just looking for free
> > bandwidth.  Not to mention, I'd think you'd notice
> > someone sitting in front of your house with a
> > laptop....hehehee
> >
> > --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > > Dear List(s):
> > >
> > > Got a new computer to put into a room where we
> can't
> > > reach it with CAT-5.  So I've been ready to go
> > > wireless, except someone suggested using the
> phone
> > > lines in the house (just as a substitute wire)
> > > instead of wireless.  Apparently, there's a
> device
> > > that will connect the NIC and the phone jack and
> you
> > > can use the phone wires in the house for
> networking.
> > >
> > > Sounds, easy, and cheap, and low tech.  Anyone
> know
> > > about this?
> > >
> > > MTIA
> > >
> > > Rocky Smolin
> > > Beach Access Software
> > > >
> _______________________________________________
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> > >
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Mon May 19 09:27:50 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:27:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements
    (WAS:<nosubject>)
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85C04@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Haven't tested that theory but it makes sense.  I wonder if that would have the effect in a fully compiled ActiveX (VB) component as opposed to a class module in Access?

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 10:23 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements
(WAS:<nosubject>)


Hmm... that certainly works.  I would be careful where I used it however as
there is a speed penalty.  Any function call has to build a stack, push
objects onto the stack, and then return values back to the caller.  If this
is happening as the user types, who cares.  If it is happening in a tight
loop, 20000 times as the user twiddles their thumbs...

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 10:10 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS:
<nosubject>)


I normally refer to the private variable too but I've also referred to the
property by name.  Why?  Because if I have a large class with a lot of
private variables/properties if I use Me.PropertyName syntax I can use the
built-in Intellisense feature to grab the property name for me rather than
ask "what was that variable called?".

HTH,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 10:04 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS:
<nosubject>)


Within the class itself all code directly references the variable.  If you
think you are going to forget something and want to do the same filtering
that outside users see, go ahead and use the properties.  My assumption is
that properties are for those dumb programmers using my object, not the dumb
programmer creating my object.  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:45 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS: <no
subject>)


I agree completely with that concept, John.
But what about code WITHIN the class itself?  Do you refer to the
module-level variable, or the Property?


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 6:26 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS: <no
subject>)


Brett,

That is a good question.  The reason most often given for using properties
to get / set a private variable rather than dimming the variable public is
simply the ability to control access to the variable.  It goes back to the
global argument in essence.  By controlling writes through a let statement,
you can do parameter checking.  For example, suppose you are building a car
and you want a "doors" variable that says how many doors it has.  By feeding
it through a let statement, you can check that the value passed in is >0 and
<6 or something similar.  The question then becomes, if I don't have to do
any such checking do (should) I still use get / let?

Of course there are also times where you want to provide a read only value.
I.e. the value is set by some process and the value can only be read out.
The Acceleration of the car is determined by the weight, horsepower,
transmission, rear axle etc, all fed into a complex function and provided as
a readable value.  No "user" of the class should be able to write directly
to this variable.

And finally there are times (seldom but possible) where you want a write
only variable - password for example.

I try very hard to dim all class variables private and use property get /
let to read / write the value.  That way if later on I do want to restrict
access in any way, I simply go to my existing get / let and add the
functionality I desire.  The "interface" doesn't break because the user is
always forced to go through my properties.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 4:36 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS: <no
subject>)


That raises a good question, since I am not from the elite OO camp, I'd like
to know this:
Is it considered a bad practice to refer to the underlying variable within a
class directly?

Bryan, no need to apologize.  You may have stirred up an interesting
discussion, even if by accident.


-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 3:16 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD]


Now I'm thoroughly confused as to whose head is being bashed and why.
You can create private Let and Get properties, although a private Get
seems pointless to me, since it will only be available within the class
module and you don't really need it there except maybe for symmetry.  A
private Let property, on the other hand, could be called and used within
the class itself, so it might be useful.  Now, which one of you was
wrong ... And about what???

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 11:44 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD]


On 17 May 2003 at 1:05, Bruce Bruen wrote:

> However, re Bryan's comment - why can't the attribute value setting
> code be private - fundamentally it's an attribute that <u>cannot</u>
> be updated via this interface, but it does need to be visible to users

> of the class.  In this case the clubname is retrieved internally in
> the class - it is a header for the object.
>
> I don't believe that the public get/private let construct is
> syntactically incorrect.  However, is it philosophically incorrect?  I

It's not. I made a boo-boo.

All VB(A) programming has taken a back seat for me these days. PHP is
what I've been doing recently, so chalk it up to brain freeze.

Doh! (Bashes head against keyboard repeatedly) Doh! Doh! :)

Sorry 'bout that.

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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Mon May 19 09:46:03 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 09:46:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F87818@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Susan,

Are you going to their web site for educators?  They have a web site that gives special discounts to employees of higher education institutions such as you.  Sorry, I do not know the URL since I use their State and Local Government web site.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
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-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Monday 2003 May 19 08:35
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale

John,

I'm actively in search of a Dell so this offer is appealing, but I can't recreate it on the Dell site.  I get much closer to $1000 than $500.  To get the price you have below, looks like I need to get a Celeron, but your description below is for the Pentium 4.  Can you give me a good link to follow to get this price point?

--Susan


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 10:31 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale


Just a heads up for anyone looking for a new box.  Dell is having a sale. Cheapest I can get is $466:

Dimension 2350 Series
Intel? Pentium? 4 Processor at 2.20GHz with 512K L2 Cache

 Qty: 1
 Price: $539.00

    Date: Friday, May 16, 2003 10:27:05 AM CDT
    Catalog Number: 4 04
Dimension 2350 Series:   Intel? Pentium? 4 Processor at 2.20GHz with 512K L2
Cache   DX2322   [221-1776]
Memory:   128MB DDR-SDRAM   128M   [311-1648]
Keyboard:   Dell? Quietkey? Keyboard   QK   [310-1582]
Monitor:   No Monitor   N   [320-3000]
Video Card:   Integrated Intel? Extreme 3D Graphics   IV   [430-3900]
Hard Drive:   FREE UPGRADE! 60GB Ultra ATA/100 7200RPM Hard Drive   60P
[461-9796]
Floppy Drive and Additional Storage Devices:   No Floppy Drive   NFD
[340-8688]
Operating System:   Microsoft? Windows? XP Professional??   WPXP
[313-7222] [412-0309] [420-1922]
Mouse:   Dell? 2-button scroll mouse   SM   [310-1871]
Network Interface:   Integrated 10/100 Ethernet   IN   [430-0441]
Modem:   No Modem Requested   N   [313-3607]
CD or DVD Drive:   48x Max CD-ROM Drive   CD48   [313-1476]
Sound Card:   Integrated Audio   IS   [313-0847]
Speakers:   No Speaker Option   N   [313-4514]
Bundled Software:   WordPerfect? Productivity Pack with Quicken New User
Edition   COREL   [412-0302]
Security Software:   Dell SecurityCenter by McAfee, 90-day introductory
offer   MCAFE90   [412-0326]
Digital Music:   Dell Jukebox powered by MUSICMATCH   MMBASE   [412-0298]
Digital Photography:   Dell Picture Studio Image Expert Standard   DPS
[412-0271] [412-0273]
Limited Warranty, Services and Support Options:   1 Year Limited Warranty
plus 1 Year On-site Service   AUY111   [412-0360] [900-9054] [950-7960]
Dial-Up Internet Access:   FREE 6 Months of AOL Internet Access   AOLSMB
[412-0371] [412-0368]
Multi-Media Players:   RealOne(tm) Player, with 14 day SuperPass trial
REALBAS   [412-0380]

They show the price as $539 but in the checkout line they subtract $48 for a coupon - 43C49AB1D6C5 and a $50 "rebate", for a final price of 466.51.  Box only, no monitor, no floppy, 128mb ram.

Not a bad price!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon May 19 09:52:17 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:52:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements
	(WAS:<nosubject>)
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85C04@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKENNDMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Yes, it would.  In the end, all compiling does is eliminate the
interpretation step.  It all eventually ends up as machine code.

Calls to a function must save the portions of the machine state, the program
instruction counter and various registers etc.  It does so by building a
stack where these values are "pushed" onto.  Also any parameters being
passed into the function (for a property let in this case) are pushed onto
the stack.  Then the program "Jumps" to that function location in memory and
begins execution.  The function parameters pushed onto the stack have to be
popped back off of the stack and used inside the function.  If memory serves
me, the return value is placed on the stack before the function returns,
which of course is a jump back to the original (calling) location.  All the
machine state has to be popped back off the stack.

Functions are "expensive".  It will take many many machine instructions
(hundreds) to execute the call and all of it's overhead.  Cache issues
(where the function is located in memory) can add to that problem, at least
the first time the function is called.

Functions serve a purpose in organizing the program, making it easier to
read and maintain, however they do cost.  I tend to just ignore the cost,
but for a use like this - going through a function to get a variable that is
already local to me just to get intellesense - would be a marginal usage.

Again, if it is happening between keystrokes the cost will never be noticed.
If it is happening in a loop of thousands of iterations, it likely will.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 10:28 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements
(WAS:<nosubject>)


Haven't tested that theory but it makes sense.  I wonder if that would have
the effect in a fully compiled ActiveX (VB) component as opposed to a class
module in Access?

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 10:23 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements
(WAS:<nosubject>)


Hmm... that certainly works.  I would be careful where I used it however as
there is a speed penalty.  Any function call has to build a stack, push
objects onto the stack, and then return values back to the caller.  If this
is happening as the user types, who cares.  If it is happening in a tight
loop, 20000 times as the user twiddles their thumbs...

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 10:10 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS:
<nosubject>)


I normally refer to the private variable too but I've also referred to the
property by name.  Why?  Because if I have a large class with a lot of
private variables/properties if I use Me.PropertyName syntax I can use the
built-in Intellisense feature to grab the property name for me rather than
ask "what was that variable called?".

HTH,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 10:04 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS:
<nosubject>)


Within the class itself all code directly references the variable.  If you
think you are going to forget something and want to do the same filtering
that outside users see, go ahead and use the properties.  My assumption is
that properties are for those dumb programmers using my object, not the dumb
programmer creating my object.  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:45 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS: <no
subject>)


I agree completely with that concept, John.
But what about code WITHIN the class itself?  Do you refer to the
module-level variable, or the Property?


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 6:26 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS: <no
subject>)


Brett,

That is a good question.  The reason most often given for using properties
to get / set a private variable rather than dimming the variable public is
simply the ability to control access to the variable.  It goes back to the
global argument in essence.  By controlling writes through a let statement,
you can do parameter checking.  For example, suppose you are building a car
and you want a "doors" variable that says how many doors it has.  By feeding
it through a let statement, you can check that the value passed in is >0 and
<6 or something similar.  The question then becomes, if I don't have to do
any such checking do (should) I still use get / let?

Of course there are also times where you want to provide a read only value.
I.e. the value is set by some process and the value can only be read out.
The Acceleration of the car is determined by the weight, horsepower,
transmission, rear axle etc, all fed into a complex function and provided as
a readable value.  No "user" of the class should be able to write directly
to this variable.

And finally there are times (seldom but possible) where you want a write
only variable - password for example.

I try very hard to dim all class variables private and use property get /
let to read / write the value.  That way if later on I do want to restrict
access in any way, I simply go to my existing get / let and add the
functionality I desire.  The "interface" doesn't break because the user is
always forced to go through my properties.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 4:36 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS: <no
subject>)


That raises a good question, since I am not from the elite OO camp, I'd like
to know this:
Is it considered a bad practice to refer to the underlying variable within a
class directly?

Bryan, no need to apologize.  You may have stirred up an interesting
discussion, even if by accident.


-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 3:16 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD]


Now I'm thoroughly confused as to whose head is being bashed and why.
You can create private Let and Get properties, although a private Get
seems pointless to me, since it will only be available within the class
module and you don't really need it there except maybe for symmetry.  A
private Let property, on the other hand, could be called and used within
the class itself, so it might be useful.  Now, which one of you was
wrong ... And about what???

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 11:44 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD]


On 17 May 2003 at 1:05, Bruce Bruen wrote:

> However, re Bryan's comment - why can't the attribute value setting
> code be private - fundamentally it's an attribute that <u>cannot</u>
> be updated via this interface, but it does need to be visible to users

> of the class.  In this case the clubname is retrieved internally in
> the class - it is a header for the object.
>
> I don't believe that the public get/private let construct is
> syntactically incorrect.  However, is it philosophically incorrect?  I

It's not. I made a boo-boo.

All VB(A) programming has taken a back seat for me these days. PHP is
what I've been doing recently, so chalk it up to brain freeze.

Doh! (Bashes head against keyboard repeatedly) Doh! Doh! :)

Sorry 'bout that.

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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Mon May 19 09:53:56 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 15:53:56 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569A5@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Hi all

Does anyone have a code snippet for pulling file search results into Access?

What I want is to pull the filename, path & size of all files of a given
type on a particular drive, including those in subfolders, into a table. I
need to do it *fast*!!!

TIA

Roz
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From sgeller at cce.umn.edu  Mon May 19 09:56:05 2003
From: sgeller at cce.umn.edu (Susan Geller)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 09:56:05 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale
Message-ID: <CD6E25A7E2F6734FA126AED83B9D54FB01119B85@ccemail2.cce.local>

The link below didn't work but it did clue me in that you were looking
at small business systems.  The same system in "home computing" is more
expensive -- not sure why.  I did add some stuff, but ended up with a
quote of $769 -- about $250 less than other prices I'd gotten.  Thanks!

--Susan


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:02 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale



http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?CS=04&kc=6W300&oc=dim
4550
2

Upgrade to XP Pro (Highly recommended!)

Click Continue until you get to "Checkout"
Go to Checkout.  Enter 43C49AB1D6C5 in the coupon code box and click
Apply Coupon

At this point you should see the price of $659 minus discounts of $155.
the specific package I was seeing the other day was for 128mb RAM and
this one is 256mb.  You have to jump on any offer they make pretty much
within a day or so or they change it around.

This does include free shipping.

~$500 + tax for package delivered.  Understand that my assumption is
that you are upgrading an existing system (buying just the box) so you
are not buying a monitor, router on any of that stuff.  Also this system
comes with no floppy.  Of course you can go through and add anything you
want from there but the cost will go up.

Happy hunting.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Geller
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:35 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale


John,

I'm actively in search of a Dell so this offer is appealing, but I can't
recreate it on the Dell site.  I get much closer to $1000 than $500.  To
get the price you have below, looks like I need to get a Celeron, but
your description below is for the Pentium 4.  Can you give me a good
link to follow to get this price point?

--Susan



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From sgeller at cce.umn.edu  Mon May 19 09:56:43 2003
From: sgeller at cce.umn.edu (Susan Geller)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 09:56:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale
Message-ID: <CD6E25A7E2F6734FA126AED83B9D54FB01119B86@ccemail2.cce.local>

What I just found with John's lead is better than what I found on the discounts being offered through my University!

--Susan


-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:46 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale


Susan,

Are you going to their web site for educators?  They have a web site that gives special discounts to employees of higher education institutions such as you.  Sorry, I do not know the URL since I use their State and Local Government web site.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
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Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Monday 2003 May 19 08:35
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale

John,

I'm actively in search of a Dell so this offer is appealing, but I can't recreate it on the Dell site.  I get much closer to $1000 than $500.  To get the price you have below, looks like I need to get a Celeron, but your description below is for the Pentium 4.  Can you give me a good link to follow to get this price point?

--Susan


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 10:31 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale


Just a heads up for anyone looking for a new box.  Dell is having a sale. Cheapest I can get is $466:

Dimension 2350 Series
Intel? Pentium? 4 Processor at 2.20GHz with 512K L2 Cache

 Qty: 1
 Price: $539.00

    Date: Friday, May 16, 2003 10:27:05 AM CDT
    Catalog Number: 4 04
Dimension 2350 Series:   Intel? Pentium? 4 Processor at 2.20GHz with 512K L2
Cache   DX2322   [221-1776]
Memory:   128MB DDR-SDRAM   128M   [311-1648]
Keyboard:   Dell? Quietkey? Keyboard   QK   [310-1582]
Monitor:   No Monitor   N   [320-3000]
Video Card:   Integrated Intel? Extreme 3D Graphics   IV   [430-3900]
Hard Drive:   FREE UPGRADE! 60GB Ultra ATA/100 7200RPM Hard Drive   60P
[461-9796]
Floppy Drive and Additional Storage Devices:   No Floppy Drive   NFD
[340-8688]
Operating System:   Microsoft? Windows? XP Professional??   WPXP
[313-7222] [412-0309] [420-1922]
Mouse:   Dell? 2-button scroll mouse   SM   [310-1871]
Network Interface:   Integrated 10/100 Ethernet   IN   [430-0441]
Modem:   No Modem Requested   N   [313-3607]
CD or DVD Drive:   48x Max CD-ROM Drive   CD48   [313-1476]
Sound Card:   Integrated Audio   IS   [313-0847]
Speakers:   No Speaker Option   N   [313-4514]
Bundled Software:   WordPerfect? Productivity Pack with Quicken New User
Edition   COREL   [412-0302]
Security Software:   Dell SecurityCenter by McAfee, 90-day introductory
offer   MCAFE90   [412-0326]
Digital Music:   Dell Jukebox powered by MUSICMATCH   MMBASE   [412-0298]
Digital Photography:   Dell Picture Studio Image Expert Standard   DPS
[412-0271] [412-0273]
Limited Warranty, Services and Support Options:   1 Year Limited Warranty
plus 1 Year On-site Service   AUY111   [412-0360] [900-9054] [950-7960]
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They show the price as $539 but in the checkout line they subtract $48 for a coupon - 43C49AB1D6C5 and a $50 "rebate", for a final price of 466.51.  Box only, no monitor, no floppy, 128mb ram.

Not a bad price!

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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Mon May 19 09:57:26 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:57:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS: <no
	subject>)
In-Reply-To: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB2338C7A2@TAPPEEXCH01>
Message-ID: <3EC8B896.31839.5090F8@localhost>

On 16 May 2003 at 15:35, Brett Barabash wrote:

> That raises a good question, since I am not from the elite OO camp,
> I'd like to know this: Is it considered a bad practice to refer to the
> underlying variable within a class directly?

I usually Use Me.PropertyName within the class. It makes it more self 
documenting and easier for me to understand when I come back to it 
later.

Is it bad practice to reference the actual variables? For some it may 
be, but I see no obvious harm in it.

I use the properties, just in case down the road I change the logic 
in the Let/Get, then I only have to change the code in one spot and 
not all over the place.

> Bryan, no need to apologize.  You may have stirred up an interesting
> discussion, even if by accident.

Stirring thing up is a hobby of mine :-))

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Stupid questions are better than stupid mistakes. - Japanese proverb



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon May 19 10:00:54 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 11:00:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Sony Digicam API
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEENODMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I bought a Sony digicam for Mothers day and it has a cool little program
that can operate the camera over the USB port, moving back and forth in the
tape.  The camera itself can label segments on the tape, delete labeled
segments etc.  I was wondering if there is an API for programming the video
camera by sending "commands" over the USB port.  It seems like it must
exist, but I can't find any such thing.  Has anyone ever tried something
like this?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon May 19 10:02:50 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 08:02:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F81@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I think you'd have to do it with a FileSearch and write the results of
each FoundFiles item into the table.  Here's a FileSearch sample.
 
Sub SimpleSearch()
  'Perform simple search using the FileSearch object,\.
  Dim varItem as Variant
  With Application.Filesearch
    .NewSearch
    .FileName = "*.ini"
    .LookIn = "C:\Windows"
    .Execute
    For Each varItem in .foundFiles
      Debug.print varItem
    Next varItem
  End With
End Sub
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
	Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 6:54 AM
	To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
	Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames
	
	

	Hi all 

	Does anyone have a code snippet for pulling file search results
into Access? 

	What I want is to pull the filename, path & size of all files of
a given type on a particular drive, including those in subfolders, into
a table. I need to do it *fast*!!!

	TIA 

	Roz 

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From jim.hale at fleetpride.com  Mon May 19 10:09:08 2003
From: jim.hale at fleetpride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:09:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Manual Database Synchronisation
Message-ID: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF87305F617BA@corp-es00>

Are you going to use local PC's time/date? If so will you have to maintain
the correct date/time on all these machines? I have heard horror stories of
machines with incorrect dates wrecking havoc on DB update schemes.
Jim Hale 

-----Original Message-----
From: Joshua B [mailto:jbusergroups at optushome.com.au]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 5:16 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Manual Database Synchronisation


Group:

Hoping someone may have a few ideas on this. I am in the process of setting
up specifications for the modification of a clients database. The client has
offices in five different locations around the world, and a database that
has been shared up until now using Access's in-built replication tool. At
the end of each trading day, the database would be sent to the other
offices, and they would synchronise. The db has now grown to the size where
this is not possible anymore (It weighs in at around 5 megabytes zipped up,
and the offices that don't have the luxury of cable are starting to
complain). They wish to send only the new and updated records back and
forth.

Eventually they will be looking at a web-based solution, but this will not
be happening for at least a year, if not more.

My idea is to time-stamp each record when it is updated (or added), and then
use this time stamp to determine which records need to be sent to the other
offices. I have been assured that the offices will "never" (I know that
thats a dirty word) be working on the same record on the same day, so there
will be no need to update on a field-by-field basis, I'll simply overwrite
the whole record with the updated information.

In the meantime, my main concern with setting this up is how I handle the
primary keys for records. Up until now, I have been a firm believer in using
an autonumber for a primary key. Of course, this will not be possible in
this scenario. When a record is added to the system and sent to all the
other offices, the primary keys will have to match, so that my code will be
able to match up the updated records when imported at the other end. The
best idea I have come up with is to use a random autonumber, and attach a
time-stamp to the end of that, and use it as a primary key. For there to be
a conflict, it would mean that two offices have generated a duplicate random
autonumber at the exact same second. I'm quite happy with the odds of that
never happening.

I just thought I would throw this in there, with the hope that maybe someone
has done something similar in the past. And of course, there is the likely
possibility that I am missing some incredibly easy way of doing this.

Thanks for reading :-)

Best regards.				 
Joshua B
jbusergroups at optushome.com.au
2003-05-13



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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Mon May 19 10:25:03 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 16:25:03 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569A7@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

thanks Charlotte, this looks great. I had never heard of the filesearch
object! learn something new every day :)
 
Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: 19 May 2003 16:03
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


I think you'd have to do it with a FileSearch and write the results of each
FoundFiles item into the table.  Here's a FileSearch sample.
 
Sub SimpleSearch()
  'Perform simple search using the FileSearch object,\.
  Dim varItem as Variant
  With Application.Filesearch
    .NewSearch
    .FileName = "*.ini"
    .LookIn = "C:\Windows"
    .Execute
    For Each varItem in .foundFiles
      Debug.print varItem
    Next varItem
  End With
End Sub
 
Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 6:54 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames



Hi all 

Does anyone have a code snippet for pulling file search results into Access?


What I want is to pull the filename, path & size of all files of a given
type on a particular drive, including those in subfolders, into a table. I
need to do it *fast*!!!

TIA 

Roz 

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon May 19 10:34:54 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 11:34:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: browser streaming
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEOBDMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Does anyone know why my browser wouldn't stream the daily tip from
http://www.learnvisualstudio.net ?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon May 19 10:35:29 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 08:35:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F84@infoserver01.infostat.local>

What version of Access are you using?  It wasn't available in 97, but
you did have access to the FileSystem object through VBA.
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
	Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 7:25 AM
	To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames
	
	
	thanks Charlotte, this looks great. I had never heard of the
filesearch object! learn something new every day :)
	 
	Roz

		-----Original Message-----
		From: Charlotte Foust
[mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
		Sent: 19 May 2003 16:03
		To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
		Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames
		
		
		I think you'd have to do it with a FileSearch and write
the results of each FoundFiles item into the table.  Here's a FileSearch
sample.
		 
		Sub SimpleSearch()
		  'Perform simple search using the FileSearch object,\.
		  Dim varItem as Variant
		  With Application.Filesearch
		    .NewSearch
		    .FileName = "*.ini"
		    .LookIn = "C:\Windows"
		    .Execute
		    For Each varItem in .foundFiles
		      Debug.print varItem
		    Next varItem
		  End With
		End Sub
		 
		Charlotte Foust

			-----Original Message-----
			From: Roz Clarke
[mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
			Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 6:54 AM
			To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
			Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames
			
			

			Hi all 

			Does anyone have a code snippet for pulling file
search results into Access? 

			What I want is to pull the filename, path & size
of all files of a given type on a particular drive, including those in
subfolders, into a table. I need to do it *fast*!!!

			TIA 

			Roz 

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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Mon May 19 10:36:45 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 11:36:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85C0D@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Roz,

Please let us know if this attached code works for you.  I've been trying the FileSearch object since Susan H. and Charlotte mentioned it a couple of weeks ago but I keep crashing on the ".Filename =" line (Invalid procedure call error).

Thanks, 

Jim DeMarco 
Director of Product Development 
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan 

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 11:25 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


thanks Charlotte, this looks great. I had never heard of the filesearch object! learn something new every day :)

Roz
-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: 19 May 2003 16:03
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


I think you'd have to do it with a FileSearch and write the results of each FoundFiles item into the table.  Here's a FileSearch sample.

Sub SimpleSearch()
  'Perform simple search using the FileSearch object,\.
  Dim varItem as Variant
  With Application.Filesearch
    .NewSearch
    .FileName = "*.ini"
    .LookIn = "C:\Windows"
    .Execute
    For Each varItem in .foundFiles
      Debug.print varItem
    Next varItem
  End With
End Sub

Charlotte Foust
-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 6:54 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames


Hi all 
Does anyone have a code snippet for pulling file search results into Access? 
What I want is to pull the filename, path & size of all files of a given type on a particular drive, including those in subfolders, into a table. I need to do it *fast*!!!
TIA 
Roz 


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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Mon May 19 10:41:05 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 11:41:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85C0E@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

But it does work in A97 unless you try to set the filename property (at least on my box).  Unless I'm getting access to that object from some other application I installed.

If I loop through folder I can print all the file names.  If I try to filter I crash.

Thanks, 

Jim DeMarco 
Director of Product Development 
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan 

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 11:35 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


What version of Access are you using?  It wasn't available in 97, but you did have access to the FileSystem object through VBA.

Charlotte Foust
-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 7:25 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


thanks Charlotte, this looks great. I had never heard of the filesearch object! learn something new every day :)

Roz
-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: 19 May 2003 16:03
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


I think you'd have to do it with a FileSearch and write the results of each FoundFiles item into the table.  Here's a FileSearch sample.

Sub SimpleSearch()
  'Perform simple search using the FileSearch object,\.
  Dim varItem as Variant
  With Application.Filesearch
    .NewSearch
    .FileName = "*.ini"
    .LookIn = "C:\Windows"
    .Execute
    For Each varItem in .foundFiles
      Debug.print varItem
    Next varItem
  End With
End Sub

Charlotte Foust
-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 6:54 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames


Hi all 
Does anyone have a code snippet for pulling file search results into Access? 
What I want is to pull the filename, path & size of all files of a given type on a particular drive, including those in subfolders, into a table. I need to do it *fast*!!!
TIA 
Roz 


***********************************************************************************
"This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged.  If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited.  If you have received this message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message.  Thank You".
***********************************************************************************


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon May 19 10:42:49 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 08:42:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F85@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Oops, you're right.  I forgot about that problem.  But Roz is just
trying to get all the filenames in the folder, so she doesn't need that
line anyhow.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org] 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 7:37 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


Roz,

Please let us know if this attached code works for you.  I've been
trying the FileSearch object since Susan H. and Charlotte mentioned it a
couple of weeks ago but I keep crashing on the ".Filename =" line
(Invalid procedure call error).

Thanks, 

Jim DeMarco 
Director of Product Development 
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan 

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 11:25 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


thanks Charlotte, this looks great. I had never heard of the filesearch
object! learn something new every day :)

Roz
-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: 19 May 2003 16:03
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


I think you'd have to do it with a FileSearch and write the results of
each FoundFiles item into the table.  Here's a FileSearch sample.

Sub SimpleSearch()
  'Perform simple search using the FileSearch object,\.
  Dim varItem as Variant
  With Application.Filesearch
    .NewSearch
    .FileName = "*.ini"
    .LookIn = "C:\Windows"
    .Execute
    For Each varItem in .foundFiles
      Debug.print varItem
    Next varItem
  End With
End Sub

Charlotte Foust
-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 6:54 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames


Hi all 
Does anyone have a code snippet for pulling file search results into
Access? 
What I want is to pull the filename, path & size of all files of a given
type on a particular drive, including those in subfolders, into a table.
I need to do it *fast*!!! TIA 
Roz 


************************************************************************
***********
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recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP)
that is confidential or privileged.  If you are not the intended
recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying,
distribution or use of the contents of this message is strictly
prohibited.  If you have received this message in error or are not the
named recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting the
sender at the electronic mail address noted above or calling HHP at
(914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not
forward this email to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this
message.  Thank You".
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Mon May 19 10:44:16 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 16:44:16 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569A9@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

XP, but I haven't done as much programming in XP as I did in 97.

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: 19 May 2003 16:35
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


What version of Access are you using?  It wasn't available in 97, but you
did have access to the FileSystem object through VBA.
 
Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 7:25 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


thanks Charlotte, this looks great. I had never heard of the filesearch
object! learn something new every day :)
 
Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: 19 May 2003 16:03
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


I think you'd have to do it with a FileSearch and write the results of each
FoundFiles item into the table.  Here's a FileSearch sample.
 
Sub SimpleSearch()
  'Perform simple search using the FileSearch object,\.
  Dim varItem as Variant
  With Application.Filesearch
    .NewSearch
    .FileName = "*.ini"
    .LookIn = "C:\Windows"
    .Execute
    For Each varItem in .foundFiles
      Debug.print varItem
    Next varItem
  End With
End Sub
 
Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 6:54 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames



Hi all 

Does anyone have a code snippet for pulling file search results into Access?


What I want is to pull the filename, path & size of all files of a given
type on a particular drive, including those in subfolders, into a table. I
need to do it *fast*!!!

TIA 

Roz 

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon May 19 10:54:06 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 08:54:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames
References: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569A5@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <011f01c31e1e$e0ef09c0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Grab filenamesRoz:

I'll send you an app offline which uses the filesearch and puts the found file names into an array.  Check the code behind the 'Find' button.

Rocky

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Roz Clarke 
  To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
  Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 7:53 AM
  Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames


  Hi all 

  Does anyone have a code snippet for pulling file search results into Access? 

  What I want is to pull the filename, path & size of all files of a given type on a particular drive, including those in subfolders, into a table. I need to do it *fast*!!!

  TIA 

  Roz 



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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Mon May 19 11:07:25 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 17:07:25 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569AB@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Actually I want to specify the filetype tho I don't care about the name.

I'm running a chunk of code now but it's being going 10 minutes and I'm not
sure what it's doing 'cause I forgot to turn on the immediate window. Duh!

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: 19 May 2003 16:43
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


Oops, you're right.  I forgot about that problem.  But Roz is just trying to
get all the filenames in the folder, so she doesn't need that line anyhow.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org] 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 7:37 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


Roz,

Please let us know if this attached code works for you.  I've been trying
the FileSearch object since Susan H. and Charlotte mentioned it a couple of
weeks ago but I keep crashing on the ".Filename =" line (Invalid procedure
call error).

Thanks, 

Jim DeMarco 
Director of Product Development 
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan 

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 11:25 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


thanks Charlotte, this looks great. I had never heard of the filesearch
object! learn something new every day :)

Roz
-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: 19 May 2003 16:03
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


I think you'd have to do it with a FileSearch and write the results of each
FoundFiles item into the table.  Here's a FileSearch sample.

Sub SimpleSearch()
  'Perform simple search using the FileSearch object,\.
  Dim varItem as Variant
  With Application.Filesearch
    .NewSearch
    .FileName = "*.ini"
    .LookIn = "C:\Windows"
    .Execute
    For Each varItem in .foundFiles
      Debug.print varItem
    Next varItem
  End With
End Sub

Charlotte Foust
-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 6:54 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames


Hi all 
Does anyone have a code snippet for pulling file search results into Access?

What I want is to pull the filename, path & size of all files of a given
type on a particular drive, including those in subfolders, into a table. I
need to do it *fast*!!! TIA 
Roz 


************************************************************************
***********
"This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of the named
recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that is
confidential or privileged.  If you are not the intended recipient, you are
hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the
contents of this message is strictly prohibited.  If you have received this
message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us
immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic mail address
noted above or calling HHP at
(914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward
this email to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message.
Thank You".
************************************************************************
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon May 19 11:15:23 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 09:15:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F86@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Rocky,
 
I'd like to see that as well.  I think I'm losing my grip, since I know
I've used FileSearch in the past.
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
[mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
	Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 7:54 AM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: Re: [AccessD] Grab filenames
	
	
	Roz:
	 
	I'll send you an app offline which uses the filesearch and puts
the found file names into an array.  Check the code behind the 'Find'
button.
	 
	Rocky
	 

		----- Original Message ----- 
		From: Roz Clarke <mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>  
		To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
		Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 7:53 AM
		Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames


		Hi all 

		Does anyone have a code snippet for pulling file search
results into Access? 

		What I want is to pull the filename, path & size of all
files of a given type on a particular drive, including those in
subfolders, into a table. I need to do it *fast*!!!

		TIA 

		Roz 

		
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon May 19 11:17:18 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 09:17:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F87@infoserver01.infostat.local>

In 97, you needed a reference to the Microsoft Office library before you
could even get to FileSearch.  In Office 2000 and later, it's part of
VBA and you only need an Office reference if you're using some of the
mso constants.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org] 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 7:41 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


But it does work in A97 unless you try to set the filename property (at
least on my box).  Unless I'm getting access to that object from some
other application I installed.

If I loop through folder I can print all the file names.  If I try to
filter I crash.

Thanks, 

Jim DeMarco 
Director of Product Development 
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan 

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 11:35 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


What version of Access are you using?  It wasn't available in 97, but
you did have access to the FileSystem object through VBA.

Charlotte Foust
-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 7:25 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


thanks Charlotte, this looks great. I had never heard of the filesearch
object! learn something new every day :)

Roz
-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: 19 May 2003 16:03
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


I think you'd have to do it with a FileSearch and write the results of
each FoundFiles item into the table.  Here's a FileSearch sample.

Sub SimpleSearch()
  'Perform simple search using the FileSearch object,\.
  Dim varItem as Variant
  With Application.Filesearch
    .NewSearch
    .FileName = "*.ini"
    .LookIn = "C:\Windows"
    .Execute
    For Each varItem in .foundFiles
      Debug.print varItem
    Next varItem
  End With
End Sub

Charlotte Foust
-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 6:54 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames


Hi all 
Does anyone have a code snippet for pulling file search results into
Access? 
What I want is to pull the filename, path & size of all files of a given
type on a particular drive, including those in subfolders, into a table.
I need to do it *fast*!!! TIA 
Roz 


************************************************************************
***********
"This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of the named
recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP)
that is confidential or privileged.  If you are not the intended
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon May 19 11:18:11 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 09:18:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F88@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Try Rocky's stuff.  I'm encountering problems with the FileSearch myself
this morning.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 8:07 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


Actually I want to specify the filetype tho I don't care about the name.

I'm running a chunk of code now but it's being going 10 minutes and I'm
not sure what it's doing 'cause I forgot to turn on the immediate
window. Duh!

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: 19 May 2003 16:43
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


Oops, you're right.  I forgot about that problem.  But Roz is just
trying to get all the filenames in the folder, so she doesn't need that
line anyhow.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org] 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 7:37 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


Roz,

Please let us know if this attached code works for you.  I've been
trying the FileSearch object since Susan H. and Charlotte mentioned it a
couple of weeks ago but I keep crashing on the ".Filename =" line
(Invalid procedure call error).

Thanks, 

Jim DeMarco 
Director of Product Development 
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan 

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 11:25 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


thanks Charlotte, this looks great. I had never heard of the filesearch
object! learn something new every day :)

Roz
-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: 19 May 2003 16:03
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


I think you'd have to do it with a FileSearch and write the results of
each FoundFiles item into the table.  Here's a FileSearch sample.

Sub SimpleSearch()
  'Perform simple search using the FileSearch object,\.
  Dim varItem as Variant
  With Application.Filesearch
    .NewSearch
    .FileName = "*.ini"
    .LookIn = "C:\Windows"
    .Execute
    For Each varItem in .foundFiles
      Debug.print varItem
    Next varItem
  End With
End Sub

Charlotte Foust
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 6:54 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames


Hi all 
Does anyone have a code snippet for pulling file search results into
Access?

What I want is to pull the filename, path & size of all files of a given
type on a particular drive, including those in subfolders, into a table.
I need to do it *fast*!!! TIA 
Roz 


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From MPorter at acsalaska.com  Mon May 19 11:22:30 2003
From: MPorter at acsalaska.com (Porter, Mark)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 08:22:30 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT HTML Authoring
Message-ID: <BFBC9BAC6169D411890000508BAE2C5303120744@acsexch4.corp.acsalaska.com>

I do not have the link and no time to search for it, but there is a browser
based web editor that may even be wysiwyg.  

With 4,000 PCs, I'd Google it and check it out at least.

If you can't find it I can dig the link out later.

Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
[mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 9:55 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT HTML Authoring


I need to install it on almost 4,000 PCs. So it has to be free.

Martin

Quoting "Reische, Brenda L." <reische at mdh.org>:

> 
> Hi Brenda,
> 
> The standard version of HTML-Kit is free under the Personal License,
> which
> basically means that the person who will be using it has to visit the
> HTML-Kit site, read/accept the Personal license, download and install it
> on
> his/her home/school/work computer. Redistribution and/or mass
> installation
> is not permitted under this license, so in a classroom setting what
> that
> means is that the individual students have to follow the above steps
> and
> install it on the class computers at the beginning of the course to
> qualfy
> for the Personal license. But if the school (not the individual
> students)
> wants to install it in the classrooms, that would require a multi-seat
> educational license.
> 
> The registration includes a few extras such as the table designer
> (http://www.chami.com/html-kit/pro/), but the above is the main
> difference
> in your case. Please let me know if you have any other questions.
> 
> Regards,
> HTML-Kit Support
> http://www.chami.com/html-kit/support/
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Reische, Brenda L. [mailto:reische at mdh.org]
> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 9:06 AM
> To: 'html-kit at chamisplace.Com'
> Subject: Free or $55 ??
> 
> 
> Is the standard version of HTML-Kit free, or is it shareware with a
> $55
> registration if the user it likes and decides to use it?
> 
> 
> 
> I have been recommending your software and sending people the link to
> your
> web site to get their own copy, and wanted to make sure I have the
> story
> straight as far as price before I misspeak.
> 
> 
> 
> You have a very nice product.  It is worth $55, that's not the issue
> --
> just wanted to make sure I don't mislead this friend of mine when I
> suggest that his students use HTML-Kit as a free editor when it's not
> really
> free.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> 
> 
> Brenda Reische
> 
> Application Support Analyst
> 
> McDonough District Hospital
> 
> 525 E Grant Macomb, IL 61455
> 
> 309.833.4101 www.mdh.org
> 
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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Mon May 19 11:29:11 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 11:29:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: browser streaming
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Do you have JavaScript and Cascading Style Sheets enabled?  If you don't
you should see a link for downloading the tip as a zip file.

Charles Wortz
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-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Monday 2003 May 19 10:35
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: browser streaming

Does anyone know why my browser wouldn't stream the daily tip from
http://www.learnvisualstudio.net ?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Mon May 19 11:37:12 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 12:37:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85C0F@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

I've got a reference to MSO 9.  Go figure!  Anyway I didn't get too far on this thread last time so don't sweat it.  I normally use the Dir function to loop through a folder filtered or otherwise.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 12:17 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


In 97, you needed a reference to the Microsoft Office library before you
could even get to FileSearch.  In Office 2000 and later, it's part of
VBA and you only need an Office reference if you're using some of the
mso constants.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org] 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 7:41 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


But it does work in A97 unless you try to set the filename property (at
least on my box).  Unless I'm getting access to that object from some
other application I installed.

If I loop through folder I can print all the file names.  If I try to
filter I crash.

Thanks, 

Jim DeMarco 
Director of Product Development 
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan 

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 11:35 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


What version of Access are you using?  It wasn't available in 97, but
you did have access to the FileSystem object through VBA.

Charlotte Foust
-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 7:25 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


thanks Charlotte, this looks great. I had never heard of the filesearch
object! learn something new every day :)

Roz
-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: 19 May 2003 16:03
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


I think you'd have to do it with a FileSearch and write the results of
each FoundFiles item into the table.  Here's a FileSearch sample.

Sub SimpleSearch()
  'Perform simple search using the FileSearch object,\.
  Dim varItem as Variant
  With Application.Filesearch
    .NewSearch
    .FileName = "*.ini"
    .LookIn = "C:\Windows"
    .Execute
    For Each varItem in .foundFiles
      Debug.print varItem
    Next varItem
  End With
End Sub

Charlotte Foust
-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 6:54 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames


Hi all 
Does anyone have a code snippet for pulling file search results into
Access? 
What I want is to pull the filename, path & size of all files of a given
type on a particular drive, including those in subfolders, into a table.
I need to do it *fast*!!! TIA 
Roz 


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon May 19 11:55:19 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 09:55:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Records missing when report published to Excel
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F8A@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Has anyone every found an article on this?  Some of our reports will
skip a record when publish to Word or publish to Excel is clicked.  The
weird part is that it's always somewhere around record 10 or record 15,
not the first or last record that it drops.  We've been scratching our
heads over this in both A97 and AXP.  Any suggestions?

Charlotte Foust

From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Mon May 19 11:57:36 2003
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 12:57:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Random Password generator
Message-ID: <806536912C472E4A9D6515DF2E57261E0C5A6C@mercury.tnco-inc.com>

Hi All,

Does anyone have a routine that will generate a random alphanumeric string?
I would also like to be able to specify a length.

If not, does anyone have an idea of how to achieve such a thing?

Thanks,
Joe R.



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From mitsules_ms at nns.com  Mon May 19 12:10:53 2003
From: mitsules_ms at nns.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 13:10:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: browser streaming
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E293EC@nnse14.nns.com>

John,

I've had similar experiences with QuickTime files, where only the first
streaming file from a site will work correctly.  Files after the first must
be downloaded in order to view.  It does not happen ALL of the time, and I
haven't found a reasonable explanation.



Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 11:35 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: browser streaming


Does anyone know why my browser wouldn't stream the daily tip from
http://www.learnvisualstudio.net ?

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From nkling at co.montgomery.ny.us  Mon May 19 12:10:52 2003
From: nkling at co.montgomery.ny.us (Neal Kling)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 13:10:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Random Password generator
Message-ID: <0EAA9F4906BA554FA26E6F9F2C5403022BD5D2@elmo.co.montgomery.ny.us>

Here's one from my pile o' functions.  As you can see I didn't write it;
Looks like it could use some cleaning up.

Neal Kling
Lotus, isn't that some kind of fancy flower?


'***********************************************************************
****
**********
'* Name:     PassWrdGen Function
'* Written:  11/15/1999 by Patricia OConnor
'* Args:     varNumChar
'* Returns:  strPssWrd - string of password
'* Purpose:  Create Random PassWord of intNumChar number of characters.
If 
'*           varNumChar is null then default is 8
'***********************************************************************
****
**********
Function PassWrdGen(Optional varNumChar As Variant) As String
    Dim intNumChar As Integer
    Dim intChar As Integer
    Dim idx As Integer
    Dim strPssWrd As String
    
    If IsMissing(varNumChar) Or IsNull(varNumChar) Or (Not
IsNumeric(varNumChar)) Then
        intNumChar = 8
    Else
        intNumChar = Int(varNumChar)
    End If
    Randomize
    
    For idx = 1 To intNumChar
        intChar = Int((122 - 48 + 1) * Rnd + 48)
        Select Case intChar
        Case 48 To 57, 65 To 90, 97 To 122
            strPssWrd = strPssWrd & Chr$(intChar)
        End Select
    Next
    PassWrdGen = strPssWrd
    
End Function



-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Rojas [mailto:JRojas at tnco-inc.com]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 12:58 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Random Password generator


Hi All,

Does anyone have a routine that will generate a random alphanumeric
string?
I would also like to be able to specify a length.

If not, does anyone have an idea of how to achieve such a thing?

Thanks,
Joe R.



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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon May 19 12:17:07 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:17:07 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F86@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <01a501c31e2a$79cddc60$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

MessageCharlotte:

What's your email address? Should I send zipped?

Rocky

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Charlotte Foust 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:15 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


  Rocky,

  I'd like to see that as well.  I think I'm losing my grip, since I know I've used FileSearch in the past.

  Charlotte Foust
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
    Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 7:54 AM
    To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Grab filenames


    Roz:

    I'll send you an app offline which uses the filesearch and puts the found file names into an array.  Check the code behind the 'Find' button.

    Rocky

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Roz Clarke 
      To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
      Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 7:53 AM
      Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames


      Hi all 

      Does anyone have a code snippet for pulling file search results into Access? 

      What I want is to pull the filename, path & size of all files of a given type on a particular drive, including those in subfolders, into a table. I need to do it *fast*!!!

      TIA 

      Roz 



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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Mon May 19 12:18:25 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 13:18:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: browser streaming
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85C12@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

>>and I haven't found a reasonable explanation.<<

In your debug window:

blnResult = ("reasonable" = "Internet")
?blnResult
False

;-)

Jim DeMarco



-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:mitsules_ms at nns.com]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 1:11 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: browser streaming


John,

I've had similar experiences with QuickTime files, where only the first
streaming file from a site will work correctly.  Files after the first must
be downloaded in order to view.  It does not happen ALL of the time, and I
haven't found a reasonable explanation.



Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 11:35 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: browser streaming


Does anyone know why my browser wouldn't stream the daily tip from
http://www.learnvisualstudio.net ?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon May 19 12:19:09 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:19:09 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Random Password generator
References: <806536912C472E4A9D6515DF2E57261E0C5A6C@mercury.tnco-inc.com>
Message-ID: <01b701c31e2a$c24c5cf0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Joe:

Chr(Int((26 * Rnd) + 65)) will give you random upper case characters A
through Z.

Rocky

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From: "Joe Rojas" <JRojas at tnco-inc.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:57 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Random Password generator


> Hi All,
>
> Does anyone have a routine that will generate a random alphanumeric
string?
> I would also like to be able to specify a length.
>
> If not, does anyone have an idea of how to achieve such a thing?
>
> Thanks,
> Joe R.
>
>
>
> This electronic transmission is strictly confidential to TNCO, Inc. and
> intended solely for the addressee. It may contain information which is
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From papparuff at attbi.com  Mon May 19 12:25:49 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:25:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569A5@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <ACECJMOIMOPEIAHJCLCPEEKNFNAA.papparuff@attbi.com>

Grab filenamesRoz - Will this work for you?

Private Sub cmdFileObject_Click()
' Provides the user Path, File Name,
' and File Size
' Insure there is a reference to the
' Microsoft Scripting Runtime
' Access 2000/2002
    On Error GoTo cmdFileObject_ERR

    Dim fso As FileSystemObject
    Dim f1 As File
    Dim strPathAndFileName As String
    Dim strFileNameOnly As String
    Dim strFileSize As String
    Dim I As Double

    Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")

    With Application.FileSearch
        .NewSearch
        .LookIn = "d:\"
        .FileName = "*.ini"
        .MatchTextExactly = False
        .FileType = msoFileTypeAllFiles
        .SearchSubFolders = True

        If .Execute() > 0 Then
            For I = 1 To .FoundFiles.Count
                DoEvents
                ' File name and its path
                strPathAndFileName = .FoundFiles(I)
                Set f1 = fso.GetFile(.FoundFiles(I))
                strFileSize = f1.Size
                ' File name only
                strFileNameOnly = f1.Name
            Next I
            MsgBox "Done"
        Else
            MsgBox "No Files Found"
        End If
    End With


cmdFileObject_EXIT:

    Exit Sub

cmdFileObject_ERR:

    If Err.Number = 70 Then ' Permission denied
        Resume Next
    End If
    MsgBox Error$

End Sub

John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist J


"Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
                and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
  Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 7:54 AM
  To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
  Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames


  Hi all

  Does anyone have a code snippet for pulling file search results into
Access?

  What I want is to pull the filename, path & size of all files of a given
type on a particular drive, including those in subfolders, into a table. I
need to do it *fast*!!!

  TIA

  Roz
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From keysolns at lantic.net  Mon May 19 12:25:12 2003
From: keysolns at lantic.net (Gary Lockett)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 19:25:12 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] RE: DBA web site problem
References: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2DF1C9@exchange.pgdp>
Message-ID: <00a901c31e2d$25b227a0$0101a8c0@office>

A great big thank you from me too

Gary

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Hollis,Virginia 
  To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
  Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 1:01 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: DBA web site problem


  It works, I tried it this morning and can see words now :-)
   
  Thanks everyone for the hard work.
   
  Va.
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de [mailto:Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de]
    Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 6:04 PM
    To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] RE: DBA web site problem


    Thank you, Stephen,
    appreciate your help very much
    Lembit

    Lembit Soobik

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) 
      To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
      Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 8:03 PM
      Subject: [AccessD] RE: DBA web site problem


      Hi All:
       
      Stephen Hait has spent some time and resolved the problem. 
      It seems to be an issue with the placement of a simple 'spacer' cell. Even though the size is fixed in the parent window, IE5 has an apparent 'bug' that causes the 'spacer' cell to always expand 100%, pushing the 'iframe' contents out of view. By moving the 'spacer' cell from the parent to the 'iframe' content window the error is resolved.

      Thanks again to Stephen for his efforts. The chances to the site should be completed by this weekend.

      Jim



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From ad_tp at hotmail.com  Mon May 19 12:45:36 2003
From: ad_tp at hotmail.com (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 23:15:36 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames
References: 	<61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569A5@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
	<011f01c31e1e$e0ef09c0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <Law9-OE16q6DqaJY4kJ00012fb8@hotmail.com>

Grab filenamesRocky,

    I shall be thankful if you could kindly send me a zipped copy at the following address -
    ad_tp at hotmail.com

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 21:24
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Grab filenames


  Roz:

  I'll send you an app offline which uses the filesearch and puts the found file names into an array.  Check the code behind the 'Find' button.

  Rocky

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Roz Clarke 
    To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
    Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 7:53 AM
    Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames


    Hi all 

    Does anyone have a code snippet for pulling file search results into Access? 

    What I want is to pull the filename, path & size of all files of a given type on a particular drive, including those in subfolders, into a table. I need to do it *fast*!!!

    TIA 

    Roz 



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon May 19 13:18:14 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 11:18:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F8B@infoserver01.infostat.local>

cfoust at infostatsystems and yes, please.
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
[mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
	Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:17 AM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: Re: [AccessD] Grab filenames
	
	
	Charlotte:
	 
	What's your email address? Should I send zipped?
	 
	Rocky
	 

		----- Original Message ----- 
		From: Charlotte Foust
<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com>  
		To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
		Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:15 AM
		Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames

		Rocky,
		 
		I'd like to see that as well.  I think I'm losing my
grip, since I know I've used FileSearch in the past.
		 
		Charlotte Foust

			-----Original Message-----
			From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
[mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
			Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 7:54 AM
			To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
			Subject: Re: [AccessD] Grab filenames
			
			
			Roz:
			 
			I'll send you an app offline which uses the
filesearch and puts the found file names into an array.  Check the code
behind the 'Find' button.
			 
			Rocky
			 

				----- Original Message ----- 
				From: Roz Clarke
<mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>  
				To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
				Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 7:53 AM
				Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames


				Hi all 

				Does anyone have a code snippet for
pulling file search results into Access? 

				What I want is to pull the filename,
path & size of all files of a given type on a particular drive,
including those in subfolders, into a table. I need to do it *fast*!!!

				TIA 

				Roz 

				
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon May 19 14:11:52 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 12:11:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
References: <20030519122910.46917.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com>
 <005601c31e0d$f827ec80$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <3EC92C78.7050405@shaw.ca>

Here is an article on tools and methods to use for difficult CAT-5 cabling.
I really like the fly fishing rod and slingshot methods.
http://www.techrepublic.com/article.jhtml?id=r00320030218vgl01.htm&fromtm=e101-3

Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:

>Frank:
>
>Thanks for the heads up.  I can get CAT5 to that room but it will cost
>$500-600 because of where it is.  :(
>
>Looks like wireless for me.
>
>Rocky
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:29 AM
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
>
>
>  
>
>>I highly recommend against this.  Most telephone
>>wiring in homes is CAT3 *AT BEST*.  In alot of cases,
>>not even that good.
>>
>>Most home telephone wiring is so splices and
>>mickey-moused together that you will be lucky if you
>>get any connection at all.  And if you do, it will
>>probably be spotty, at best, due to electromagenetic
>>interferance from other devices.
>>
>>Network engineering is what I do for a living.  I'd go
>>wireless LONG before I'd trust home telco wiring for
>>my LAN.  Myself, I strung CAT5 in my house.  But
>>that's because I know how to.  For most home users
>>wireless would be a perfect fit.  If you're worried
>>about people leeching your bandwidth or "sniffing" off
>>of your wireless LAN, there are ways to lock it down,
>>simply.  Will it stop the determined leech?  Nope.
>>But it would stop 90% of the leeches that are out
>>there, because most are just looking for free
>>bandwidth.  Not to mention, I'd think you'd notice
>>someone sitting in front of your house with a
>>laptop....hehehee
>>
>>--- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
>><bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>Dear List(s):
>>>
>>>Got a new computer to put into a room where we can't
>>>reach it with CAT-5.  So I've been ready to go
>>>wireless, except someone suggested using the phone
>>>lines in the house (just as a substitute wire)
>>>instead of wireless.  Apparently, there's a device
>>>that will connect the NIC and the phone jack and you
>>>can use the phone wires in the house for networking.
>>>
>>>Sounds, easy, and cheap, and low tech.  Anyone know
>>>about this?
>>>
>>>MTIA
>>>
>>>Rocky Smolin
>>>Beach Access Software
>>>      
>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>        
>>>>
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>>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>>      
>>>
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>>
>>    
>>
>
>
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>  
>



From backroad at idir.net  Mon May 19 15:44:49 2003
From: backroad at idir.net (Backroads Data)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 15:44:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Intermittant problems loading images
Message-ID: <006001c31e47$99c6cdc0$350775d8@Julie>

Hello, AccessD listers!

It's nice to be back after about a year hiatus from the group.  I see the folks on this list are still providing valuable help to developers, and I hope I will be able to contribute soon.

Here's a situation that has me stumped... hoping someone has had a similar experience or some ideas I can pursue.

Access97 application, distributed to single users (no networks), installed with runtime Access and Sagekey scripts.

Users can store images in the database.  Actually, I used the method shared by Candace Tripp that only stores the image path/filename in the db, then displays it on forms and reports where needed.  The user selects an image file (usually .jpg, .bmp, or .gif) from a standard Windows file open dialog, the resulting path and file name is stored in the table, and the image control displays the image.

This all works great - usually.  After distributing this feature about 6 months ago, I had a few users who said they received an error after selecting an image file.  (Error: "Forge Ahead doesn't support the format of the file '[full path & file name]', so it can't load the picture." -- 'Forge Ahead' is the name of my application).  

After researching this, it appeared it had to do with whether specific graphic filters were installed on the machine.  I was able to create a patch executable that installed the appropriate graphic filters and set appropriate registry keys.  

This resolved the problem for all but 2 users.  They still receive the same error message, and can't select any type of graphic files within the application.  However, they can insert the same images into Word and PowerPoint.  

Does anyone have any ideas?  This is driving me (and my customers) crazy!

Best Regards,

Julie Schwalm
Backroads Data
www.backroadsdata.com
785-594-6807
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Mon May 19 16:04:56 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 14:04:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
In-Reply-To: <3EC92C78.7050405@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <20030519210456.92949.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com>

Yeah.  Those work well for drop ceiling.  We used to
use string tied to a Nerf football...hehehe

It can be a little more problematic in housing rafters
though, unless you have lots of space.  Most houses
here in Phoenix don't have attics, so the rafters have
like 3 feet of clearance or so tops.  Makes it a real
pain in the butt to string cable through....hehee

--- MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca> wrote:
> Here is an article on tools and methods to use for
> difficult CAT-5 cabling.
> I really like the fly fishing rod and slingshot
> methods.
>
http://www.techrepublic.com/article.jhtml?id=r00320030218vgl01.htm&fromtm=e101-3
> 
> Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:
> 
> >Frank:
> >
> >Thanks for the heads up.  I can get CAT5 to that
> room but it will cost
> >$500-600 because of where it is.  :(
> >
> >Looks like wireless for me.
> >
> >Rocky
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> >To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:29 AM
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> lines
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >>I highly recommend against this.  Most telephone
> >>wiring in homes is CAT3 *AT BEST*.  In alot of
> cases,
> >>not even that good.
> >>
> >>Most home telephone wiring is so splices and
> >>mickey-moused together that you will be lucky if
> you
> >>get any connection at all.  And if you do, it will
> >>probably be spotty, at best, due to
> electromagenetic
> >>interferance from other devices.
> >>
> >>Network engineering is what I do for a living. 
> I'd go
> >>wireless LONG before I'd trust home telco wiring
> for
> >>my LAN.  Myself, I strung CAT5 in my house.  But
> >>that's because I know how to.  For most home users
> >>wireless would be a perfect fit.  If you're
> worried
> >>about people leeching your bandwidth or "sniffing"
> off
> >>of your wireless LAN, there are ways to lock it
> down,
> >>simply.  Will it stop the determined leech?  Nope.
> >>But it would stop 90% of the leeches that are out
> >>there, because most are just looking for free
> >>bandwidth.  Not to mention, I'd think you'd notice
> >>someone sitting in front of your house with a
> >>laptop....hehehee
> >>
> >>--- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> >><bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> >>    
> >>
> >>>Dear List(s):
> >>>
> >>>Got a new computer to put into a room where we
> can't
> >>>reach it with CAT-5.  So I've been ready to go
> >>>wireless, except someone suggested using the
> phone
> >>>lines in the house (just as a substitute wire)
> >>>instead of wireless.  Apparently, there's a
> device
> >>>that will connect the NIC and the phone jack and
> you
> >>>can use the phone wires in the house for
> networking.
> >>>
> >>>Sounds, easy, and cheap, and low tech.  Anyone
> know
> >>>about this?
> >>>
> >>>MTIA
> >>>
> >>>Rocky Smolin
> >>>Beach Access Software
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>_______________________________________________
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>AccessD mailing list
> >>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>
>>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>AccessD mailing list
> >>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>
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> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >
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>
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> 
> 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon May 19 19:42:09 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (stuart at lexacorp.com.pg)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 10:42:09 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Random Password generator
In-Reply-To: <806536912C472E4A9D6515DF2E57261E0C5A6C@mercury.tnco-inc.com>
Message-ID: <3ECA0681.13264.3158D@localhost>

On 19 May 2003 at 12:57, Joe Rojas wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> Does anyone have a routine that will generate a random alphanumeric string?
> I would also like to be able to specify a length.
> 
> If not, does anyone have an idea of how to achieve such a thing?
> 
> Thanks,
> Joe R.
> 

Function password(pwlength As Long) As String
Dim loopcount As Long
Dim strPW As String
Dim strCharacters As String
strCharacters = "1234567890ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz"
Randomize Timer
For loopcount = 1 To pwlength
    strPW = strPW & Mid$(strCharacters, Int(Rnd() * 52) + 1, 1)
Next
password = strPW
End Function
-- 
Lexacorp Ltd
Information Technology Consultancy, Application Development





From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Tue May 20 02:14:43 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 09:14:43 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Random Password generator
Message-ID: <104AB6116A2DD511A7580008C7097A982197EF@AARDBEI>


Can be used in a update query thx to dummyfield


Function GeneratePassWord(Optional intPasswordLength As Integer, Optional
varDummyField As Variant)
    ' Comments  :
    ' Parameters: intPasswordLength
    '             varDummyField -
    ' Returns   :  -
    ' Modified  :
    '
    ' --------------------------------------------------
    'TVCodeTools ErrorEnablerStart
    On Error GoTo PROC_ERR
    'TVCodeTools ErrorEnablerEnd
    
    Dim intTemp As Integer
    
    'varDummyField serves only when using a update query to generate
different passwords.
    
    If intPasswordLength = 0 Then
        intPasswordLength = 8
    End If
    Randomize
    Do Until Len(GeneratePassWord) = intPasswordLength
        intTemp = Int((122 - 48 + 1) * Rnd + 48)
        Select Case intTemp
            Case Is <= 57
            Case Is <= 64
                intTemp = 0
            Case Is <= 90
            Case Is <= 96
                intTemp = 0
        End Select
        If Len(GeneratePassWord) = 0 Then
            Select Case intTemp
                Case Is <= 64
                    intTemp = 0
                Case Is <= 90
                Case Else
                    intTemp = 0
            End Select
        End If
        If intTemp Then
            GeneratePassWord = GeneratePassWord + Chr(intTemp)
        End If
    Loop
    
    
    'TVCodeTools ErrorHandlerStart
PROC_EXIT:
    On Error Resume Next
    Exit Function
    
PROC_ERR:
    Select Case Err
        Case 0
            'Do Nothing
        Case Else
            MsgBox Err.Description, vbOK, "ERROR:" & Err.Number
            Resume PROC_EXIT
    End Select
    'TVCodeTools ErrorHandlerEnd
    
End Function


-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Verzonden: maandag 19 mei 2003 19:19
Aan: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Onderwerp: Re: [AccessD] Random Password generator


Joe:

Chr(Int((26 * Rnd) + 65)) will give you random upper case characters A
through Z.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Rojas" <JRojas at tnco-inc.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:57 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Random Password generator


> Hi All,
>
> Does anyone have a routine that will generate a random alphanumeric
string?
> I would also like to be able to specify a length.
>
> If not, does anyone have an idea of how to achieve such a thing?
>
> Thanks,
> Joe R.
>
>
>
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Tue May 20 04:53:10 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 10:53:10 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569C3@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Hi all

Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a discussion about interface
design, and someone was hosting a gallery of different interfaces that had
been done with Access?

Does anybody know if it's still there, where it was, and whether there are
any other good resources out there?

TIA

Roz
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From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Tue May 20 05:09:37 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 12:09:37 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
References: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569C3@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <03ee01c31eb7$f45ed550$0300a8c0@S856>

Good Interface ExamplesIIRC, it was Ben Cage
cannot remember the company name, so I dont know where to search
Lembit Soobik

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  From: Roz Clarke 
  To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 11:53 AM
  Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


  Hi all 

  Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a discussion about interface design, and someone was hosting a gallery of different interfaces that had been done with Access?

  Does anybody know if it's still there, where it was, and whether there are any other good resources out there? 

  TIA 

  Roz 



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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Tue May 20 05:18:51 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 11:18:51 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
References: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569C3@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <001c01c31eb9$35daa350$9111758f@aine>

Good Interface Exampleswww.activ8.com.au
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Roz Clarke 
  To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:53 AM
  Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


  Hi all 

  Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a discussion about interface design, and someone was hosting a gallery of different interfaces that had been done with Access?

  Does anybody know if it's still there, where it was, and whether there are any other good resources out there? 

  TIA 

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue May 20 05:19:04 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 12:19:04 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
In-Reply-To: <03ee01c31eb7$f45ed550$0300a8c0@S856>
References:  <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569C3@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
 <03ee01c31eb7$f45ed550$0300a8c0@S856>
Message-ID: <8615465638.20030520121904@cactus.dk>

Hi Roz and Lembit

It's still there:

  http://www.activ8.com.au/interface/

/gustav


> Good Interface ExamplesIIRC, it was Ben Cage
> cannot remember the company name, so I dont know where to search
> Lembit Soobik

>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Roz Clarke 
>   To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
>   Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 11:53 AM
>   Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


>   Hi all 

>   Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a discussion about interface design, and someone was hosting a gallery of different interfaces that had been done with Access?

>   Does anybody know if it's still there, where it was, and whether there are any other good resources out there? 


From marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl  Tue May 20 05:19:09 2003
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl (marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 12:19:09 +0200
Subject: Betreft: Re: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <OF40363C8C.0AED9BE5-ONC1256D2C.0038A7BA@achmea.nl>

Searched in google.

http://www.activ8.com.au/interface/


Grz, marcel




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IIRC, it was Ben Cage
cannot remember the company name, so I dont know  where to search
Lembit Soobik
----- Original Message -----
From:  Roz  Clarke
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 11:53 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface   Examples

Hi all

Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a  discussion about
interface design, and someone was hosting a gallery of   different
interfaces that had been done with Access?

Does anybody know if it's still there, where it  was, and whether there are
any other good resources out there?

TIA

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From viner at eunet.yu  Tue May 20 05:25:11 2003
From: viner at eunet.yu (Ervin Brindza)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 12:25:11 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
References: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569C3@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
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Good Interface ExamplesRoz, try these

http://www.actebs.com.au/web/products.html 

http://www.iarchitect.com/mfame.htm

http://www.activ8.com.au/interface/default.html

HTH,

    Ervin

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Roz Clarke 
  To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
  Sent: 20 May, 2003 11:53 AM
  Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


  Hi all 

  Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a discussion about interface design, and someone was hosting a gallery of different interfaces that had been done with Access?

  Does anybody know if it's still there, where it was, and whether there are any other good resources out there? 

  TIA 

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From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Tue May 20 05:29:26 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 12:29:26 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
References: 	<61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569C3@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
	<002601c31eba$1e652000$0100a8c0@razvoj>
Message-ID: <044e01c31eba$b0795d80$0300a8c0@S856>

Good Interface Examplessee how good memory AccessD people have. within a few minutes. Really great people on this list :-)
Lembit Soobik

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ervin Brindza 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 12:25 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


  Roz, try these

  http://www.actebs.com.au/web/products.html 

  http://www.iarchitect.com/mfame.htm

  http://www.activ8.com.au/interface/default.html

  HTH,

      Ervin

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Roz Clarke 
    To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
    Sent: 20 May, 2003 11:53 AM
    Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


    Hi all 

    Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a discussion about interface design, and someone was hosting a gallery of different interfaces that had been done with Access?

    Does anybody know if it's still there, where it was, and whether there are any other good resources out there? 

    TIA 

    Roz 



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From viner at eunet.yu  Tue May 20 05:30:35 2003
From: viner at eunet.yu (Ervin Brindza)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 12:30:35 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
References: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569C3@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
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Good Interface Examples 
Roz, try these

http://www.actebs.com.au/web/products.html 

http://www.iarchitect.com/mfame.htm

http://www.activ8.com.au/interface/default.html

HTH,

    Ervin



  Hi all 

  Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a discussion about interface design, and someone was hosting a gallery of different interfaces that had been done with Access?

  Does anybody know if it's still there, where it was, and whether there are any other good resources out there? 

  TIA 

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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Tue May 20 05:45:15 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 11:45:15 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
References: 	<61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569C3@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
	<03ee01c31eb7$f45ed550$0300a8c0@S856> <8615465638.20030520121904@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001401c31ebc$e5929660$9111758f@aine>

Roz

For good design download one of Bens DBs, Pathways. It is unvelieveable from
a purely graphical point of view.

Martin


From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Tue May 20 05:53:05 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 11:53:05 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569CB@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Second that :D
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de [mailto:Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 11:29
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


see how good memory AccessD people have. within a few minutes. Really great
people on this list :-)
Lembit Soobik


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Ervin Brindza <mailto:viner at eunet.yu>  
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>  
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples

Roz, try these

http://www.actebs.com.au/web/products.html
<http://www.actebs.com.au/web/products.html>  

http://www.iarchitect.com/mfame.htm <http://www.iarchitect.com/mfame.htm> 

http://www.activ8.com.au/interface/default.html
<http://www.activ8.com.au/interface/default.html> 

HTH,

    Ervin

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Roz Clarke <mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>  
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' <mailto:'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'>  
Sent: 20 May, 2003 11:53 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Hi all 

Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a discussion about interface
design, and someone was hosting a gallery of different interfaces that had
been done with Access?

Does anybody know if it's still there, where it was, and whether there are
any other good resources out there? 

TIA 

Roz 



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From bbruen at bigpond.com  Tue May 20 06:26:08 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 21:26:08 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Import/Copy menu and toolbars
Message-ID: <000001c31ec2$9f8fdc80$9900a8c0@bbb888>

Dear List,

Try as I might I cannot find how to import or copy a menubar and/or a
toolbar fomr one db to another.  I have a dud AXP database from which I
have managed to recover everything but the customised menus and
toolbars.

Is there a way to do this?

Tia
Bruce

P.s. remembered the subject this time!



From jjwrite at earthlink.net  Tue May 20 06:39:16 2003
From: jjwrite at earthlink.net (Judy Johnson)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 7:39:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A97 Strange Delete Behavior
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From artful at rogers.com  Tue May 20 06:43:19 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 07:43:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Import/Copy menu and toolbars
In-Reply-To: <000001c31ec2$9f8fdc80$9900a8c0@bbb888>
Message-ID: <005201c31ec5$02947460$8e01a8c0@Rock>

On the import dialog there's an options button, which leads to another
dialog that lets you specify what extras you want to import.

A.

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Sent: May 20, 2003 7:26 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Import/Copy menu and toolbars


Dear List,

Try as I might I cannot find how to import or copy a menubar and/or a
toolbar fomr one db to another.  I have a dud AXP database from which I have
managed to recover everything but the customised menus and toolbars.

Is there a way to do this?


From bbruen at bigpond.com  Tue May 20 06:52:21 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 21:52:21 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
In-Reply-To: <20030519210456.92949.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002401c31ec6$45d969a0$9900a8c0@bbb888>

Try a $50 remote control 4WD model (ATV? For youse yanquies?) - we wired
200+ points in an office building several years ago using a couple of
these - without removing the false ceiling.  They have a great advantage
over nerf balls as you can make them go around things!. Also used one to
cast 240V twin core for ceiling downlights BETWEEN the ceiling and the
upper floor in our "new" 1928 built house last year. One sparky said "it
couldn't be done" without removing the original cast plaster ceilings,
another said $4500+ (for running the cable).   I said "bullSh*t", and
did it myself, got a GOOD sparky to connect the cabling to the house
circuit and certify the work for $60 + 2 coffees and a couple of beers.

The way to get cable down a cored wall is to use that plastic strapping
they use on whitegoods - as long as you can get a length of it - but
better still is the plastic jointer strip out of quickclip flooring -
you can shape the end to a blunt point and feed it UP a 1/2" or less
core, attach the cable in the ceiling space and whip it down the core in
approx 1/8 the time it takes the cat to get inside on a rainy day.  

If you DYI cat5, there is only one real tip - try not to kink the cable,
otherwise I reckon its as good as $20/metre (or yard speaker cable for
anything.  Oh, and another, if you cr*p up a connection on cat5 whether
its Krone or grub screwed or whatever - cut the whole 4" off and start
again, its not worth the hassle of bad connectors.

Have fun! Crawling in 18" high dusty, cramped, dark, lumpy (with sharp
bits) spaces is what some idiots do for a sport!

Bruce


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Frank Tanner
III
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:05 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


Yeah.  Those work well for drop ceiling.  We used to
use string tied to a Nerf football...hehehe

It can be a little more problematic in housing rafters
though, unless you have lots of space.  Most houses
here in Phoenix don't have attics, so the rafters have
like 3 feet of clearance or so tops.  Makes it a real
pain in the butt to string cable through....hehee

--- MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca> wrote:
> Here is an article on tools and methods to use for
> difficult CAT-5 cabling.
> I really like the fly fishing rod and slingshot
> methods.
>
http://www.techrepublic.com/article.jhtml?id=r00320030218vgl01.htm&fromt
m=e101-3
> 
> Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:
> 
> >Frank:
> >
> >Thanks for the heads up.  I can get CAT5 to that
> room but it will cost
> >$500-600 because of where it is.  :(
> >
> >Looks like wireless for me.
> >
> >Rocky
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> >To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:29 AM
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> lines
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >>I highly recommend against this.  Most telephone
> >>wiring in homes is CAT3 *AT BEST*.  In alot of
> cases,
> >>not even that good.
> >>
> >>Most home telephone wiring is so splices and
> >>mickey-moused together that you will be lucky if
> you
> >>get any connection at all.  And if you do, it will
> >>probably be spotty, at best, due to
> electromagenetic
> >>interferance from other devices.
> >>
> >>Network engineering is what I do for a living.
> I'd go
> >>wireless LONG before I'd trust home telco wiring
> for
> >>my LAN.  Myself, I strung CAT5 in my house.  But
> >>that's because I know how to.  For most home users
> >>wireless would be a perfect fit.  If you're
> worried
> >>about people leeching your bandwidth or "sniffing"
> off
> >>of your wireless LAN, there are ways to lock it
> down,
> >>simply.  Will it stop the determined leech?  Nope.
> >>But it would stop 90% of the leeches that are out
> >>there, because most are just looking for free
> >>bandwidth.  Not to mention, I'd think you'd notice
> >>someone sitting in front of your house with a laptop....hehehee
> >>
> >>--- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> >>    
> >>
> >>>Dear List(s):
> >>>
> >>>Got a new computer to put into a room where we
> can't
> >>>reach it with CAT-5.  So I've been ready to go
> >>>wireless, except someone suggested using the
> phone
> >>>lines in the house (just as a substitute wire)
> >>>instead of wireless.  Apparently, there's a
> device
> >>>that will connect the NIC and the phone jack and
> you
> >>>can use the phone wires in the house for
> networking.
> >>>
> >>>Sounds, easy, and cheap, and low tech.  Anyone
> know
> >>>about this?
> >>>
> >>>MTIA
> >>>
> >>>Rocky Smolin
> >>>Beach Access Software
> >>>      
> >>>
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From marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl  Tue May 20 06:55:08 2003
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl (marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 13:55:08 +0200
Subject: Betreft: [AccessD] Import/Copy menu and toolbars
Message-ID: <OF34F99AA6.53D97AED-ONC1256D2C.00413EC8@achmea.nl>

Hi Bruce,

I always copy them by selecting with the right mouseclick the option IMPORT
in the table section of your database. Then select the original database.
In the screen that pops up next you will find in the right corner the
button Option or Advanced. Overthere you can select the importspecs and
tool and menubars.

Hope this helps

Gr. marcel vreuls




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Dear List,

Try as I might I cannot find how to import or copy a menubar and/or a
toolbar fomr one db to another.  I have a dud AXP database from which I
have managed to recover everything but the customised menus and
toolbars.

Is there a way to do this?

Tia
Bruce

P.s. remembered the subject this time!


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From bbruen at bigpond.com  Tue May 20 07:14:30 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 22:14:30 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
In-Reply-To: <20030519141946.33206.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002901c31ec9$5e824000$9900a8c0@bbb888>

Re: not more than 10

At my son's school they are using wireless routers with much much more
that 10 connects.  We reckon up to 60 active sessions at a time - AND up
to more than 200 connect attempts per router at the beginning of lesson.

Result - performance during the times that the kids try to log in =
absolutely useless!  Some can take up to 20 minutes of a lesson to get a
clean session negotiated - thus wasting most of the students and
teachers available time.  I estimate that the negotiated connects never
get any higher than 10mbps based on the experience of my wife who
teaches there and says that the school network speed is less than out
p2p 10 at home.

At my daughters school they use mini 5 port hubs in the kids "work
stations" ( 4 desks screwed together) and a cabled hub per classroom (
or at least 1 per pair of rooms)  Result - 10/100 connections in the
same time it takes them to plug in their blue worms!  For 1200 kids,
connecting up to 6 times per day.

OTOH - as we live 300m by road from my son's school and probably <100m
as the crow flies it does give him access to the school (and the net)
without costing me a phone line!  But is this a good thing - I think
not!  (who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of pubescent web
surfers!)

So I suppose it depends on what you need to do with wireless.  If you
want it so you can cart the laptop out to the doghouse when you are
accused of ignoring your better half for a great AccessD debate session,
then I suppose its great. But I reckon $15 worth of cat5 + a weekend of
blue language and a couple of beers is a lot better.

JM20CW

Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Frank Tanner
III
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 12:20 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


Yes, you can.  In fact I am considering this myself,
so that I can have network access in my back yard and
driveway areas.  Yes, I'm a geek at home too...ROFL

Cabling can get very expensive, unless you can do it
yourself.  It's not so much the cable that's
expensive.  It's the labor.  It's a b*tch to snake
that cable throgh the rafters of the house and then
down the inside walls.  Especially if your inside
walls are insulated too, which most are anymore.

I was talking with one of the engineers at DLink, and
they recomment not using more that ten wireless
devices per wireless router.  That's one of the
reasons I could never fully network my house via
wireless.  I have too many network devices and will be
adding more as I automate my home via computer.

--- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
<bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> Frank:
> 
> Here's another question:  Can I daisy chain a
> wireless router to my wired
> router?  I'm out of ports.
> 
> Rocky
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software"
> <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 6:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> lines
> 
> 
> > Frank:
> >
> > Thanks for the heads up.  I can get CAT5 to that
> room but it will cost
> > $500-600 because of where it is.  :(
> >
> > Looks like wireless for me.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:29 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> lines
> >
> >
> > > I highly recommend against this.  Most telephone
> > > wiring in homes is CAT3 *AT BEST*.  In alot of
> cases,
> > > not even that good.
> > >
> > > Most home telephone wiring is so splices and mickey-moused 
> > > together that you will be lucky if
> you
> > > get any connection at all.  And if you do, it
> will
> > > probably be spotty, at best, due to
> electromagenetic
> > > interferance from other devices.
> > >
> > > Network engineering is what I do for a living.
> I'd go
> > > wireless LONG before I'd trust home telco wiring
> for
> > > my LAN.  Myself, I strung CAT5 in my house.  But
> > > that's because I know how to.  For most home
> users
> > > wireless would be a perfect fit.  If you're
> worried
> > > about people leeching your bandwidth or
> "sniffing" off
> > > of your wireless LAN, there are ways to lock it
> down,
> > > simply.  Will it stop the determined leech?
> Nope.
> > > But it would stop 90% of the leeches that are
> out
> > > there, because most are just looking for free
> > > bandwidth.  Not to mention, I'd think you'd
> notice
> > > someone sitting in front of your house with a laptop....hehehee
> > >
> > > --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > Dear List(s):
> > > >
> > > > Got a new computer to put into a room where we
> can't
> > > > reach it with CAT-5.  So I've been ready to go wireless, except 
> > > > someone suggested using the
> phone
> > > > lines in the house (just as a substitute wire)
> > > > instead of wireless.  Apparently, there's a
> device
> > > > that will connect the NIC and the phone jack
> and you
> > > > can use the phone wires in the house for
> networking.
> > > >
> > > > Sounds, easy, and cheap, and low tech.  Anyone
> know
> > > > about this?
> > > >
> > > > MTIA
> > > >
> > > > Rocky Smolin
> > > > Beach Access Software
> > > > >
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From bbruen at bigpond.com  Tue May 20 07:23:12 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 22:23:12 +1000
Subject: Betreft: [AccessD] Import/Copy menu and toolbars
In-Reply-To: <OF34F99AA6.53D97AED-ONC1256D2C.00413EC8@achmea.nl>
Message-ID: <002a01c31eca$95a82e40$9900a8c0@bbb888>

Merci Marcel!

Geeze Microsoft - now that was a bloody obvious place to put that,
wasn't it.  So bloody obvious you needn't put in help index item on it.
Why stop now?  Why not take copy/paste off the explorer/common menus and
put it on a web based extension only accessible through IE 7.3 (SP-Pi)
advanced configuration!
</sarcasm>

Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:55 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Betreft: [AccessD] Import/Copy menu and toolbars


Hi Bruce,

I always copy them by selecting with the right mouseclick the option
IMPORT in the table section of your database. Then select the original
database. In the screen that pops up next you will find in the right
corner the button Option or Advanced. Overthere you can select the
importspecs and tool and menubars.

Hope this helps

Gr. marcel vreuls




"Bruce Bruen" <bbruen at bigpond.com>@databaseadvisors.com op 20-05-2003
13:26:08

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cc:

Onderwerp:     [AccessD] Import/Copy menu and toolbars


Dear List,

Try as I might I cannot find how to import or copy a menubar and/or a
toolbar fomr one db to another.  I have a dud AXP database from which I
have managed to recover everything but the customised menus and
toolbars.

Is there a way to do this?

Tia
Bruce

P.s. remembered the subject this time!


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From nkling at co.montgomery.ny.us  Tue May 20 07:23:33 2003
From: nkling at co.montgomery.ny.us (Neal Kling)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 08:23:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
Message-ID: <0EAA9F4906BA554FA26E6F9F2C5403022BD5D5@elmo.co.montgomery.ny.us>

One way I've done it is with a small cross bow with the fishing line
attachment.  20 meters in a quarter second!

Neal Kling
Lotus, isn't that some kind of fancy flower?


-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:05 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


Yeah.  Those work well for drop ceiling.  We used to
use string tied to a Nerf football...hehehe

It can be a little more problematic in housing rafters
though, unless you have lots of space.  Most houses
here in Phoenix don't have attics, so the rafters have
like 3 feet of clearance or so tops.  Makes it a real
pain in the butt to string cable through....hehee



From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Tue May 20 07:29:50 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 05:29:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
In-Reply-To: <002901c31ec9$5e824000$9900a8c0@bbb888>
Message-ID: <20030520122950.10516.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com>

You just agreed with what I said.  EXCEPT for one
thing.

If properly locked down, nobody else can access your
WiFi router.  It sounds like your son's school has
their wide open.  Unfortunately this is normally the
case.

You can TECHNICALLY have as many connections to a WiFi
router as you'd like.  I never said you couldn't.  I
said that they RECOMMENDED not having more than ten. 
For the very reason you state.  Because, depending on
the amount of data passing through the connections,
the bandwidth gets useless VERY quickly.

Regardless, it sounds like your son's school needs to
hire a computer security consultant.  For several
reasons, pretty much all stemming from the unsecured
WiFi routers.  Aside from the bandwidth issues, anyone
accessing the school's network by using the router,
pretty much has the same access as ANYONE else on the
LAN.  Which means, unless the classroom is seperated
from the campus LAN, not likely it sounds like it, an
intruder has "trusted" access to the INTERNAL campus
LAN.  It is relatively trivial once "inside" like
this, to gain access to proprietary and/or
confidential data, including any locally stored school
records.  Which could include student names,
addresses, telephone numbers, etc.  Most people aren't
aware of the fact that this information is protected
by law and violation of this law is subject to
criminal and civil penalties.  Your son's school is
opening themselves up to a WHOLE big legal mess, not
to mention a scary situation with the "world" having
access to this condifential data.

I *HIGHLY* recommend that you, or one of the other
parents, contact them about this.  If they won't do
anything, I'd suggest contacting the school board of
this district.  As a parent, I wouldn't want my
children's contact information OR scolastic
information available to pretty much anyone that
drives by the school with a laptop computer.

It's a proven fact that most networks have LESS
internal security than they do from the outside world.
 Meaning that most entities build a nice big fortress
to keep the outwide world out, but once you're INSIDE
the fortress, they left all of the doors unlocked.  So
anyone getting into their fortress via this WiFi
connection, has access to the inside of the fortress
and all of it's unlocked doors.

--- Bruce Bruen <bbruen at bigpond.com> wrote:
> Re: not more than 10
> 
> At my son's school they are using wireless routers
> with much much more
> that 10 connects.  We reckon up to 60 active
> sessions at a time - AND up
> to more than 200 connect attempts per router at the
> beginning of lesson.
> 
> Result - performance during the times that the kids
> try to log in =
> absolutely useless!  Some can take up to 20 minutes
> of a lesson to get a
> clean session negotiated - thus wasting most of the
> students and
> teachers available time.  I estimate that the
> negotiated connects never
> get any higher than 10mbps based on the experience
> of my wife who
> teaches there and says that the school network speed
> is less than out
> p2p 10 at home.
> 
> At my daughters school they use mini 5 port hubs in
> the kids "work
> stations" ( 4 desks screwed together) and a cabled
> hub per classroom (
> or at least 1 per pair of rooms)  Result - 10/100
> connections in the
> same time it takes them to plug in their blue worms!
>  For 1200 kids,
> connecting up to 6 times per day.
> 
> OTOH - as we live 300m by road from my son's school
> and probably <100m
> as the crow flies it does give him access to the
> school (and the net)
> without costing me a phone line!  But is this a good
> thing - I think
> not!  (who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of
> pubescent web
> surfers!)
> 
> So I suppose it depends on what you need to do with
> wireless.  If you
> want it so you can cart the laptop out to the
> doghouse when you are
> accused of ignoring your better half for a great
> AccessD debate session,
> then I suppose its great. But I reckon $15 worth of
> cat5 + a weekend of
> blue language and a couple of beers is a lot better.
> 
> JM20CW
> 
> Bruce
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> III
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 12:20 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> lines
> 
> 
> Yes, you can.  In fact I am considering this myself,
> so that I can have network access in my back yard
> and
> driveway areas.  Yes, I'm a geek at home too...ROFL
> 
> Cabling can get very expensive, unless you can do it
> yourself.  It's not so much the cable that's
> expensive.  It's the labor.  It's a b*tch to snake
> that cable throgh the rafters of the house and then
> down the inside walls.  Especially if your inside
> walls are insulated too, which most are anymore.
> 
> I was talking with one of the engineers at DLink,
> and
> they recomment not using more that ten wireless
> devices per wireless router.  That's one of the
> reasons I could never fully network my house via
> wireless.  I have too many network devices and will
> be
> adding more as I automate my home via computer.
> 
> --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > Frank:
> > 
> > Here's another question:  Can I daisy chain a
> > wireless router to my wired
> > router?  I'm out of ports.
> > 
> > Rocky
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software"
> > <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 6:53 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> > lines
> > 
> > 
> > > Frank:
> > >
> > > Thanks for the heads up.  I can get CAT5 to that
> > room but it will cost
> > > $500-600 because of where it is.  :(
> > >
> > > Looks like wireless for me.
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:29 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the
> phone
> > lines
> > >
> > >
> > > > I highly recommend against this.  Most
> telephone
> > > > wiring in homes is CAT3 *AT BEST*.  In alot of
> > cases,
> > > > not even that good.
> > > >
> > > > Most home telephone wiring is so splices and
> mickey-moused 
> > > > together that you will be lucky if
> > you
> > > > get any connection at all.  And if you do, it
> > will
> > > > probably be spotty, at best, due to
> > electromagenetic
> > > > interferance from other devices.
> > > >
> > > > Network engineering is what I do for a living.
> > I'd go
> > > > wireless LONG before I'd trust home telco
> wiring
> > for
> > > > my LAN.  Myself, I strung CAT5 in my house. 
> But
> > > > that's because I know how to.  For most home
> > users
> > > > wireless would be a perfect fit.  If you're
> > worried
> > > > about people leeching your bandwidth or
> > "sniffing" off
> > > > of your wireless LAN, there are ways to lock
> it
> > down,
> > > > simply.  Will it stop the determined leech?
> > Nope.
> > > > But it would stop 90% of the leeches that are
> > out
> > > > there, because most are just looking for free
> > > > bandwidth.  Not to mention, I'd think you'd
> > notice
> > > > someone sitting in front of your house with a
> laptop....hehehee
> > > >
> > > > --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> <bchacc at san.rr.com> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Dear List(s):
> > > > >
> > > > > Got a new computer to put into a room where
> we
> > can't
> > > > > reach it with CAT-5.  So I've been ready to
> go wireless, except 
> > > > > someone suggested using the
> > phone
> > > > > lines in the house (just as a substitute
> wire)
> > > > > instead of wireless.  Apparently, there's a
> > device
> > > > > that will connect the NIC and the phone jack
> > and you
> > > > > can use the phone wires in the house for
> > networking.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sounds, easy, and cheap, and low tech. 
> Anyone
> > know
> > > > > about this?
> > > > >
> > > > > MTIA
> > > > >
> > > > > Rocky Smolin
> > > > > Beach Access Software
> > > > > >
> 
=== message truncated ===


From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Tue May 20 07:32:52 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 05:32:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
In-Reply-To: <0EAA9F4906BA554FA26E6F9F2C5403022BD5D5@elmo.co.montgomery.ny.us>
Message-ID: <20030520123252.11041.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com>

Flinging it through the rafters isn't the hardest
part.  The hardest part is getting it down the inside
of the walls.  If you're just going to run it down the
outside of the wall, that's trivial.  Personally I
like things a bit neater and tidier than that.  Which
means running it down the inside of the wall to a
flush mounted jack.

Most modern houses have insulation in the walls, and
cross studs between the long studs in the walls.  This
means that you have to not only "dig" a channel
through the insulation you also have to drill a hole
through these cross studs.  This usually involves
cutting a hole in your wall to get to it.

--- Neal Kling <nkling at co.montgomery.ny.us> wrote:
> One way I've done it is with a small cross bow with
> the fishing line
> attachment.  20 meters in a quarter second!
> 
> Neal Kling
> Lotus, isn't that some kind of fancy flower?
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Tanner III
> [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:05 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> lines
> 
> 
> Yeah.  Those work well for drop ceiling.  We used to
> use string tied to a Nerf football...hehehe
> 
> It can be a little more problematic in housing
> rafters
> though, unless you have lots of space.  Most houses
> here in Phoenix don't have attics, so the rafters
> have
> like 3 feet of clearance or so tops.  Makes it a
> real
> pain in the butt to string cable through....hehee
> 
> 
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Tue May 20 07:36:48 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 05:36:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
In-Reply-To: <002401c31ec6$45d969a0$9900a8c0@bbb888>
Message-ID: <20030520123648.44407.qmail@web13402.mail.yahoo.com>

That works fine for an office build.  But RC cars
don't work well in raftered house ceilings.  Most
houses here use 2x6s or 2x8s for rafters.  Or at least
most of the ones that I've seen.

If you're running network lines down the same conduit
as electrical wiring you're violating about a dozen
fire and safety codes.  Not to mention every basic
rule of network wiring that there is.

Electrical wiring, ESPECIALLY two-phase and
three-phase wiring emit large amounts of RF.  RF kills
data integrity.  One of the most basic rules of
network wiring is NEVER string your network wires
across power conduits, junction boxes, or lighting
fixtures.  Don't believe me?  Ask anyone that does it
for a living.  You, physically, can do it, but you
shouldn't.  You're asking for trouble.

--- Bruce Bruen <bbruen at bigpond.com> wrote:
> Try a $50 remote control 4WD model (ATV? For youse
> yanquies?) - we wired
> 200+ points in an office building several years ago
> using a couple of
> these - without removing the false ceiling.  They
> have a great advantage
> over nerf balls as you can make them go around
> things!. Also used one to
> cast 240V twin core for ceiling downlights BETWEEN
> the ceiling and the
> upper floor in our "new" 1928 built house last year.
> One sparky said "it
> couldn't be done" without removing the original cast
> plaster ceilings,
> another said $4500+ (for running the cable).   I
> said "bullSh*t", and
> did it myself, got a GOOD sparky to connect the
> cabling to the house
> circuit and certify the work for $60 + 2 coffees and
> a couple of beers.
> 
> The way to get cable down a cored wall is to use
> that plastic strapping
> they use on whitegoods - as long as you can get a
> length of it - but
> better still is the plastic jointer strip out of
> quickclip flooring -
> you can shape the end to a blunt point and feed it
> UP a 1/2" or less
> core, attach the cable in the ceiling space and whip
> it down the core in
> approx 1/8 the time it takes the cat to get inside
> on a rainy day.  
> 
> If you DYI cat5, there is only one real tip - try
> not to kink the cable,
> otherwise I reckon its as good as $20/metre (or yard
> speaker cable for
> anything.  Oh, and another, if you cr*p up a
> connection on cat5 whether
> its Krone or grub screwed or whatever - cut the
> whole 4" off and start
> again, its not worth the hassle of bad connectors.
> 
> Have fun! Crawling in 18" high dusty, cramped, dark,
> lumpy (with sharp
> bits) spaces is what some idiots do for a sport!
> 
> Bruce
> 
> 
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> III
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:05 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> lines
> 
> 
> Yeah.  Those work well for drop ceiling.  We used to
> use string tied to a Nerf football...hehehe
> 
> It can be a little more problematic in housing
> rafters
> though, unless you have lots of space.  Most houses
> here in Phoenix don't have attics, so the rafters
> have
> like 3 feet of clearance or so tops.  Makes it a
> real
> pain in the butt to string cable through....hehee
> 
> --- MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca> wrote:
> > Here is an article on tools and methods to use for
> > difficult CAT-5 cabling.
> > I really like the fly fishing rod and slingshot
> > methods.
> >
>
http://www.techrepublic.com/article.jhtml?id=r00320030218vgl01.htm&fromt
> m=e101-3
> > 
> > Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:
> > 
> > >Frank:
> > >
> > >Thanks for the heads up.  I can get CAT5 to that
> > room but it will cost
> > >$500-600 because of where it is.  :(
> > >
> > >Looks like wireless for me.
> > >
> > >Rocky
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Frank Tanner III"
> <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > >To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:29 AM
> > >Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> > lines
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >>I highly recommend against this.  Most telephone
> > >>wiring in homes is CAT3 *AT BEST*.  In alot of
> > cases,
> > >>not even that good.
> > >>
> > >>Most home telephone wiring is so splices and
> > >>mickey-moused together that you will be lucky if
> > you
> > >>get any connection at all.  And if you do, it
> will
> > >>probably be spotty, at best, due to
> > electromagenetic
> > >>interferance from other devices.
> > >>
> > >>Network engineering is what I do for a living.
> > I'd go
> > >>wireless LONG before I'd trust home telco wiring
> > for
> > >>my LAN.  Myself, I strung CAT5 in my house.  But
> > >>that's because I know how to.  For most home
> users
> > >>wireless would be a perfect fit.  If you're
> > worried
> > >>about people leeching your bandwidth or
> "sniffing"
> > off
> > >>of your wireless LAN, there are ways to lock it
> > down,
> > >>simply.  Will it stop the determined leech? 
> Nope.
> > >>But it would stop 90% of the leeches that are
> out
> > >>there, because most are just looking for free
> > >>bandwidth.  Not to mention, I'd think you'd
> notice
> > >>someone sitting in front of your house with a
> laptop....hehehee
> > >>
> > >>--- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > >>    
> > >>
> > >>>Dear List(s):
> > >>>
> > >>>Got a new computer to put into a room where we
> > can't
> > >>>reach it with CAT-5.  So I've been ready to go
> > >>>wireless, except someone suggested using the
> > phone
> > >>>lines in the house (just as a substitute wire)
> > >>>instead of wireless.  Apparently, there's a
> > device
> > >>>that will connect the NIC and the phone jack
> and
> > you
> > >>>can use the phone wires in the house for
> > networking.
> > >>>
> > >>>Sounds, easy, and cheap, and low tech.  Anyone
> > know
> > >>>about this?
> > >>>
> > >>>MTIA
> > >>>
> > >>>Rocky Smolin
> > >>>Beach Access Software
> > >>>      
> > >>>
> >
> >>>>_______________________________________________
> > >>>>        
> > >>>>
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From marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl  Tue May 20 07:46:05 2003
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl (marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 14:46:05 +0200
Subject: Betreft: RE: Betreft: [AccessD] Import/Copy menu and toolbars
Message-ID: <OF47E185C9.A1411B24-ONC1256D2C.00461ECB@achmea.nl>

:-)  you?re welcome




"Bruce Bruen" <bbruen at bigpond.com>@databaseadvisors.com op 20-05-2003
14:23:12

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cc:

Onderwerp:     RE: Betreft: [AccessD] Import/Copy menu and toolbars


Merci Marcel!

Geeze Microsoft - now that was a bloody obvious place to put that,
wasn't it.  So bloody obvious you needn't put in help index item on it.
Why stop now?  Why not take copy/paste off the explorer/common menus and
put it on a web based extension only accessible through IE 7.3 (SP-Pi)
advanced configuration!
</sarcasm>

Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:55 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Betreft: [AccessD] Import/Copy menu and toolbars


Hi Bruce,

I always copy them by selecting with the right mouseclick the option
IMPORT in the table section of your database. Then select the original
database. In the screen that pops up next you will find in the right
corner the button Option or Advanced. Overthere you can select the
importspecs and tool and menubars.

Hope this helps

Gr. marcel vreuls




"Bruce Bruen" <bbruen at bigpond.com>@databaseadvisors.com op 20-05-2003
13:26:08

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Onderwerp:     [AccessD] Import/Copy menu and toolbars


Dear List,

Try as I might I cannot find how to import or copy a menubar and/or a
toolbar fomr one db to another.  I have a dud AXP database from which I
have managed to recover everything but the customised menus and
toolbars.

Is there a way to do this?

Tia
Bruce

P.s. remembered the subject this time!


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue May 20 07:50:53 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 08:50:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio Collapse Outlining 
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEAIDNAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Well I have found a partial solution to the issue of the modules opening
expanded.  The Edit Menu, Outline, Toggle All Outlining will collapse it
down if expanded and expand it if collapsed.  Thus Alt-E/Alt-N/Alt-L will
get you there from inside any module.  Unfortunately I still haven't found a
way to save the collapse state when the file is saved.

8-(

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From bbruen at bigpond.com  Tue May 20 07:57:24 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 22:57:24 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
In-Reply-To: <20030520123648.44407.qmail@web13402.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002b01c31ecf$5c53b880$9900a8c0@bbb888>

True enough - we only had to get across 2x4 stringers, luckily the
rafters/upper floor bearers (2x10) ran the other way.  The car
negotiated the 2x4s without a problem.

I would NEVER suggest running data through power conduit.  Guess we were
lucky again in that the house is full brick and there is a "fair" 10mm
gap between the skins, the only obstacle to vertical drops being the
brickies ties.  Brick veneer and etc with studded walls is always a
problem for any vertical cabling - I usually have opted for "dress"
conduit except in the rare cases where I felt the job was worth
replastering the wall.

Bruce
P.s. I have done it for a living.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Frank Tanner
III
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


That works fine for an office build.  But RC cars
don't work well in raftered house ceilings.  Most
houses here use 2x6s or 2x8s for rafters.  Or at least
most of the ones that I've seen.

If you're running network lines down the same conduit
as electrical wiring you're violating about a dozen
fire and safety codes.  Not to mention every basic
rule of network wiring that there is.

Electrical wiring, ESPECIALLY two-phase and
three-phase wiring emit large amounts of RF.  RF kills
data integrity.  One of the most basic rules of
network wiring is NEVER string your network wires
across power conduits, junction boxes, or lighting
fixtures.  Don't believe me?  Ask anyone that does it
for a living.  You, physically, can do it, but you
shouldn't.  You're asking for trouble.

--- Bruce Bruen <bbruen at bigpond.com> wrote:
> Try a $50 remote control 4WD model (ATV? For youse
> yanquies?) - we wired
> 200+ points in an office building several years ago
> using a couple of
> these - without removing the false ceiling.  They
> have a great advantage
> over nerf balls as you can make them go around
> things!. Also used one to
> cast 240V twin core for ceiling downlights BETWEEN
> the ceiling and the
> upper floor in our "new" 1928 built house last year.
> One sparky said "it
> couldn't be done" without removing the original cast
> plaster ceilings,
> another said $4500+ (for running the cable).   I
> said "bullSh*t", and
> did it myself, got a GOOD sparky to connect the
> cabling to the house
> circuit and certify the work for $60 + 2 coffees and
> a couple of beers.
> 
> The way to get cable down a cored wall is to use
> that plastic strapping
> they use on whitegoods - as long as you can get a
> length of it - but
> better still is the plastic jointer strip out of
> quickclip flooring -
> you can shape the end to a blunt point and feed it
> UP a 1/2" or less
> core, attach the cable in the ceiling space and whip
> it down the core in
> approx 1/8 the time it takes the cat to get inside
> on a rainy day.
> 
> If you DYI cat5, there is only one real tip - try
> not to kink the cable,
> otherwise I reckon its as good as $20/metre (or yard
> speaker cable for
> anything.  Oh, and another, if you cr*p up a
> connection on cat5 whether
> its Krone or grub screwed or whatever - cut the
> whole 4" off and start
> again, its not worth the hassle of bad connectors.
> 
> Have fun! Crawling in 18" high dusty, cramped, dark,
> lumpy (with sharp
> bits) spaces is what some idiots do for a sport!
> 
> Bruce
> 
> 
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> III
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:05 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> lines
> 
> 
> Yeah.  Those work well for drop ceiling.  We used to
> use string tied to a Nerf football...hehehe
> 
> It can be a little more problematic in housing
> rafters
> though, unless you have lots of space.  Most houses
> here in Phoenix don't have attics, so the rafters
> have
> like 3 feet of clearance or so tops.  Makes it a
> real
> pain in the butt to string cable through....hehee
> 
> --- MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca> wrote:
> > Here is an article on tools and methods to use for difficult CAT-5 
> > cabling. I really like the fly fishing rod and slingshot
> > methods.
> >
>
http://www.techrepublic.com/article.jhtml?id=r00320030218vgl01.htm&fromt
> m=e101-3
> > 
> > Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:
> > 
> > >Frank:
> > >
> > >Thanks for the heads up.  I can get CAT5 to that
> > room but it will cost
> > >$500-600 because of where it is.  :(
> > >
> > >Looks like wireless for me.
> > >
> > >Rocky
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Frank Tanner III"
> <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > >To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:29 AM
> > >Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> > lines
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >>I highly recommend against this.  Most telephone
> > >>wiring in homes is CAT3 *AT BEST*.  In alot of
> > cases,
> > >>not even that good.
> > >>
> > >>Most home telephone wiring is so splices and mickey-moused 
> > >>together that you will be lucky if
> > you
> > >>get any connection at all.  And if you do, it
> will
> > >>probably be spotty, at best, due to
> > electromagenetic
> > >>interferance from other devices.
> > >>
> > >>Network engineering is what I do for a living.
> > I'd go
> > >>wireless LONG before I'd trust home telco wiring
> > for
> > >>my LAN.  Myself, I strung CAT5 in my house.  But
> > >>that's because I know how to.  For most home
> users
> > >>wireless would be a perfect fit.  If you're
> > worried
> > >>about people leeching your bandwidth or
> "sniffing"
> > off
> > >>of your wireless LAN, there are ways to lock it
> > down,
> > >>simply.  Will it stop the determined leech?
> Nope.
> > >>But it would stop 90% of the leeches that are
> out
> > >>there, because most are just looking for free
> > >>bandwidth.  Not to mention, I'd think you'd
> notice
> > >>someone sitting in front of your house with a
> laptop....hehehee
> > >>
> > >>--- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > >>    
> > >>
> > >>>Dear List(s):
> > >>>
> > >>>Got a new computer to put into a room where we
> > can't
> > >>>reach it with CAT-5.  So I've been ready to go
> > >>>wireless, except someone suggested using the
> > phone
> > >>>lines in the house (just as a substitute wire)
> > >>>instead of wireless.  Apparently, there's a
> > device
> > >>>that will connect the NIC and the phone jack
> and
> > you
> > >>>can use the phone wires in the house for
> > networking.
> > >>>
> > >>>Sounds, easy, and cheap, and low tech.  Anyone
> > know
> > >>>about this?
> > >>>
> > >>>MTIA
> > >>>
> > >>>Rocky Smolin
> > >>>Beach Access Software
> > >>>      
> > >>>
> >
> >>>>_______________________________________________
> > >>>>        
> > >>>>
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> >
>
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> > >>>
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> > >>>
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>
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> > >>
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> > >>
> > >
> > >
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From bbruen at bigpond.com  Tue May 20 08:02:06 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 23:02:06 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
In-Reply-To: <20030520122950.10516.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002c01c31ed0$0496ac00$9900a8c0@bbb888>

Frank,

The school security is pretty good. Its just that we live so close that
we can use their LAN via a proper authorised account as if he were in
the schoolyard.  I was just having my POV that wireless "aint all its
cracked up to be".

Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Frank Tanner
III
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:30 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


You just agreed with what I said.  EXCEPT for one
thing.

If properly locked down, nobody else can access your
WiFi router.  It sounds like your son's school has
their wide open.  Unfortunately this is normally the
case.

You can TECHNICALLY have as many connections to a WiFi
router as you'd like.  I never said you couldn't.  I
said that they RECOMMENDED not having more than ten. 
For the very reason you state.  Because, depending on
the amount of data passing through the connections,
the bandwidth gets useless VERY quickly.

Regardless, it sounds like your son's school needs to
hire a computer security consultant.  For several
reasons, pretty much all stemming from the unsecured
WiFi routers.  Aside from the bandwidth issues, anyone accessing the
school's network by using the router, pretty much has the same access as
ANYONE else on the LAN.  Which means, unless the classroom is seperated
from the campus LAN, not likely it sounds like it, an intruder has
"trusted" access to the INTERNAL campus LAN.  It is relatively trivial
once "inside" like this, to gain access to proprietary and/or
confidential data, including any locally stored school records.  Which
could include student names, addresses, telephone numbers, etc.  Most
people aren't aware of the fact that this information is protected by
law and violation of this law is subject to criminal and civil
penalties.  Your son's school is opening themselves up to a WHOLE big
legal mess, not to mention a scary situation with the "world" having
access to this condifential data.

I *HIGHLY* recommend that you, or one of the other
parents, contact them about this.  If they won't do
anything, I'd suggest contacting the school board of
this district.  As a parent, I wouldn't want my
children's contact information OR scolastic
information available to pretty much anyone that
drives by the school with a laptop computer.

It's a proven fact that most networks have LESS
internal security than they do from the outside world.
 Meaning that most entities build a nice big fortress
to keep the outwide world out, but once you're INSIDE
the fortress, they left all of the doors unlocked.  So
anyone getting into their fortress via this WiFi
connection, has access to the inside of the fortress
and all of it's unlocked doors.

--- Bruce Bruen <bbruen at bigpond.com> wrote:
> Re: not more than 10
> 
> At my son's school they are using wireless routers
> with much much more
> that 10 connects.  We reckon up to 60 active
> sessions at a time - AND up
> to more than 200 connect attempts per router at the
> beginning of lesson.
> 
> Result - performance during the times that the kids
> try to log in =
> absolutely useless!  Some can take up to 20 minutes
> of a lesson to get a
> clean session negotiated - thus wasting most of the
> students and
> teachers available time.  I estimate that the
> negotiated connects never
> get any higher than 10mbps based on the experience
> of my wife who
> teaches there and says that the school network speed
> is less than out
> p2p 10 at home.
> 
> At my daughters school they use mini 5 port hubs in
> the kids "work
> stations" ( 4 desks screwed together) and a cabled
> hub per classroom (
> or at least 1 per pair of rooms)  Result - 10/100
> connections in the
> same time it takes them to plug in their blue worms!
>  For 1200 kids,
> connecting up to 6 times per day.
> 
> OTOH - as we live 300m by road from my son's school
> and probably <100m
> as the crow flies it does give him access to the
> school (and the net)
> without costing me a phone line!  But is this a good
> thing - I think
> not!  (who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of
> pubescent web
> surfers!)
> 
> So I suppose it depends on what you need to do with
> wireless.  If you
> want it so you can cart the laptop out to the
> doghouse when you are
> accused of ignoring your better half for a great
> AccessD debate session,
> then I suppose its great. But I reckon $15 worth of
> cat5 + a weekend of
> blue language and a couple of beers is a lot better.
> 
> JM20CW
> 
> Bruce
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> III
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 12:20 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> lines
> 
> 
> Yes, you can.  In fact I am considering this myself,
> so that I can have network access in my back yard
> and
> driveway areas.  Yes, I'm a geek at home too...ROFL
> 
> Cabling can get very expensive, unless you can do it yourself.  It's 
> not so much the cable that's expensive.  It's the labor.  It's a b*tch

> to snake that cable throgh the rafters of the house and then
> down the inside walls.  Especially if your inside
> walls are insulated too, which most are anymore.
> 
> I was talking with one of the engineers at DLink,
> and
> they recomment not using more that ten wireless
> devices per wireless router.  That's one of the
> reasons I could never fully network my house via
> wireless.  I have too many network devices and will
> be
> adding more as I automate my home via computer.
> 
> --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > Frank:
> > 
> > Here's another question:  Can I daisy chain a
> > wireless router to my wired
> > router?  I'm out of ports.
> > 
> > Rocky
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 6:53 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> > lines
> > 
> > 
> > > Frank:
> > >
> > > Thanks for the heads up.  I can get CAT5 to that
> > room but it will cost
> > > $500-600 because of where it is.  :(
> > >
> > > Looks like wireless for me.
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:29 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the
> phone
> > lines
> > >
> > >
> > > > I highly recommend against this.  Most
> telephone
> > > > wiring in homes is CAT3 *AT BEST*.  In alot of
> > cases,
> > > > not even that good.
> > > >
> > > > Most home telephone wiring is so splices and
> mickey-moused
> > > > together that you will be lucky if
> > you
> > > > get any connection at all.  And if you do, it
> > will
> > > > probably be spotty, at best, due to
> > electromagenetic
> > > > interferance from other devices.
> > > >
> > > > Network engineering is what I do for a living.
> > I'd go
> > > > wireless LONG before I'd trust home telco
> wiring
> > for
> > > > my LAN.  Myself, I strung CAT5 in my house.
> But
> > > > that's because I know how to.  For most home
> > users
> > > > wireless would be a perfect fit.  If you're
> > worried
> > > > about people leeching your bandwidth or
> > "sniffing" off
> > > > of your wireless LAN, there are ways to lock
> it
> > down,
> > > > simply.  Will it stop the determined leech?
> > Nope.
> > > > But it would stop 90% of the leeches that are
> > out
> > > > there, because most are just looking for free bandwidth.  Not to

> > > > mention, I'd think you'd
> > notice
> > > > someone sitting in front of your house with a
> laptop....hehehee
> > > >
> > > > --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Dear List(s):
> > > > >
> > > > > Got a new computer to put into a room where
> we
> > can't
> > > > > reach it with CAT-5.  So I've been ready to
> go wireless, except
> > > > > someone suggested using the
> > phone
> > > > > lines in the house (just as a substitute
> wire)
> > > > > instead of wireless.  Apparently, there's a
> > device
> > > > > that will connect the NIC and the phone jack
> > and you
> > > > > can use the phone wires in the house for
> > networking.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sounds, easy, and cheap, and low tech.
> Anyone
> > know
> > > > > about this?
> > > > >
> > > > > MTIA
> > > > >
> > > > > Rocky Smolin
> > > > > Beach Access Software
> > > > > >
> 
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From artful at rogers.com  Tue May 20 08:29:19 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 09:29:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
Message-ID: <006f01c31ed3$d12f0c00$8e01a8c0@Rock>

>From my experiments, it appears that MyControl.OldValue is available for
scrutiny only in the BeforeUpdate event. In the AfterUpdate event it seems
to be lost. I just wanted to confirm this hypothesis.

The point of the exercise is that I need to keep track of which columns a
user has changed and then take action accordingly. I have to update some
columns in another table depending on which columns changed in the current
table, but only if the update to the current table was successul. I don't
actually care about the old value, I'm just using it to determine which
columns changed. But by the time I get to AfterUpdate I've lost the
information. 

Any suggestions as to how to work around this?

TIA,
Arthur


From nkling at co.montgomery.ny.us  Tue May 20 08:35:43 2003
From: nkling at co.montgomery.ny.us (Neal Kling)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 09:35:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
Message-ID: <0EAA9F4906BA554FA26E6F9F2C5403022BD5DF@elmo.co.montgomery.ny.us>

How about a 'changed column' collection populated in the BeforeUpdate
event of each control.  Then you can walk through the collection at the
appropriate moment.

Neal Kling
Lotus, isn't that some kind of fancy flower?


-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:29 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate


>From my experiments, it appears that MyControl.OldValue is available
for
scrutiny only in the BeforeUpdate event. In the AfterUpdate event it
seems
to be lost. I just wanted to confirm this hypothesis.

The point of the exercise is that I need to keep track of which columns
a
user has changed and then take action accordingly. I have to update some
columns in another table depending on which columns changed in the
current
table, but only if the update to the current table was successul. I
don't
actually care about the old value, I'm just using it to determine which
columns changed. But by the time I get to AfterUpdate I've lost the
information. 

Any suggestions as to how to work around this?

TIA,
Arthur

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue May 20 08:39:58 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 09:39:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
In-Reply-To: <006f01c31ed3$d12f0c00$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEAKDNAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

OldValue is set to Value when the data stores, thus by AfterUpdate the
OldValue data has indeed been lost.  Use BeforeUpdate to store the value to
a variable, then compare to that variable in AfterUpdate.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:29 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate


>From my experiments, it appears that MyControl.OldValue is available for
scrutiny only in the BeforeUpdate event. In the AfterUpdate event it seems
to be lost. I just wanted to confirm this hypothesis.

The point of the exercise is that I need to keep track of which columns a
user has changed and then take action accordingly. I have to update some
columns in another table depending on which columns changed in the current
table, but only if the update to the current table was successul. I don't
actually care about the old value, I'm just using it to determine which
columns changed. But by the time I get to AfterUpdate I've lost the
information.

Any suggestions as to how to work around this?

TIA,
Arthur

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From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca  Tue May 20 08:51:30 2003
From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 09:51:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio Collapse Outlining
Message-ID: <sec9faad.011@cbc.ca>

John,

I may be able to save you a couple of key presses.

Try:

Alt+E, N, L

Alt+E should expand the Edit Menu. N should select the OutLine SubMenu and then L will select the Collapse/UnCollapse item.

Not much savings, but possible some, since I haven't tested it.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

>>> jcolby at colbyconsulting.com 20-May-03 8:50:53 AM >>>
Well I have found a partial solution to the issue of the modules opening
expanded.  The Edit Menu, Outline, Toggle All Outlining will collapse it
down if expanded and expand it if collapsed.  Thus Alt-E/Alt-N/Alt-L will
get you there from inside any module.  Unfortunately I still haven't found a
way to save the collapse state when the file is saved.

8-(

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue May 20 09:00:22 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 10:00:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio Collapse Outlining
In-Reply-To: <sec9faad.011@cbc.ca>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEALDNAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Yep, that works.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bryan
Carbonnell
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:52 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio Collapse Outlining


John,

I may be able to save you a couple of key presses.

Try:

Alt+E, N, L

Alt+E should expand the Edit Menu. N should select the OutLine SubMenu and
then L will select the Collapse/UnCollapse item.

Not much savings, but possible some, since I haven't tested it.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

>>> jcolby at colbyconsulting.com 20-May-03 8:50:53 AM >>>
Well I have found a partial solution to the issue of the modules opening
expanded.  The Edit Menu, Outline, Toggle All Outlining will collapse it
down if expanded and expand it if collapsed.  Thus Alt-E/Alt-N/Alt-L will
get you there from inside any module.  Unfortunately I still haven't found a
way to save the collapse state when the file is saved.

8-(

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue May 20 09:26:16 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 07:26:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
References: <002401c31ec6$45d969a0$9900a8c0@bbb888>
Message-ID: <005401c31edb$c629dfd0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Bruce:

You've convinced me.  Wireless it is! :)

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bruce Bruen" <bbruen at bigpond.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:52 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


> Try a $50 remote control 4WD model (ATV? For youse yanquies?) - we wired
> 200+ points in an office building several years ago using a couple of
> these - without removing the false ceiling.  They have a great advantage
> over nerf balls as you can make them go around things!. Also used one to
> cast 240V twin core for ceiling downlights BETWEEN the ceiling and the
> upper floor in our "new" 1928 built house last year. One sparky said "it
> couldn't be done" without removing the original cast plaster ceilings,
> another said $4500+ (for running the cable).   I said "bullSh*t", and
> did it myself, got a GOOD sparky to connect the cabling to the house
> circuit and certify the work for $60 + 2 coffees and a couple of beers.
> 
> The way to get cable down a cored wall is to use that plastic strapping
> they use on whitegoods - as long as you can get a length of it - but
> better still is the plastic jointer strip out of quickclip flooring -
> you can shape the end to a blunt point and feed it UP a 1/2" or less
> core, attach the cable in the ceiling space and whip it down the core in
> approx 1/8 the time it takes the cat to get inside on a rainy day.  
> 
> If you DYI cat5, there is only one real tip - try not to kink the cable,
> otherwise I reckon its as good as $20/metre (or yard speaker cable for
> anything.  Oh, and another, if you cr*p up a connection on cat5 whether
> its Krone or grub screwed or whatever - cut the whole 4" off and start
> again, its not worth the hassle of bad connectors.
> 
> Have fun! Crawling in 18" high dusty, cramped, dark, lumpy (with sharp
> bits) spaces is what some idiots do for a sport!
> 
> Bruce
> 
> 
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> III
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:05 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
> 
> 
> Yeah.  Those work well for drop ceiling.  We used to
> use string tied to a Nerf football...hehehe
> 
> It can be a little more problematic in housing rafters
> though, unless you have lots of space.  Most houses
> here in Phoenix don't have attics, so the rafters have
> like 3 feet of clearance or so tops.  Makes it a real
> pain in the butt to string cable through....hehee
> 
> --- MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca> wrote:
> > Here is an article on tools and methods to use for
> > difficult CAT-5 cabling.
> > I really like the fly fishing rod and slingshot
> > methods.
> >
> http://www.techrepublic.com/article.jhtml?id=r00320030218vgl01.htm&fromt
> m=e101-3
> > 
> > Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:
> > 
> > >Frank:
> > >
> > >Thanks for the heads up.  I can get CAT5 to that
> > room but it will cost
> > >$500-600 because of where it is.  :(
> > >
> > >Looks like wireless for me.
> > >
> > >Rocky
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > >To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:29 AM
> > >Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> > lines
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >>I highly recommend against this.  Most telephone
> > >>wiring in homes is CAT3 *AT BEST*.  In alot of
> > cases,
> > >>not even that good.
> > >>
> > >>Most home telephone wiring is so splices and
> > >>mickey-moused together that you will be lucky if
> > you
> > >>get any connection at all.  And if you do, it will
> > >>probably be spotty, at best, due to
> > electromagenetic
> > >>interferance from other devices.
> > >>
> > >>Network engineering is what I do for a living.
> > I'd go
> > >>wireless LONG before I'd trust home telco wiring
> > for
> > >>my LAN.  Myself, I strung CAT5 in my house.  But
> > >>that's because I know how to.  For most home users
> > >>wireless would be a perfect fit.  If you're
> > worried
> > >>about people leeching your bandwidth or "sniffing"
> > off
> > >>of your wireless LAN, there are ways to lock it
> > down,
> > >>simply.  Will it stop the determined leech?  Nope.
> > >>But it would stop 90% of the leeches that are out
> > >>there, because most are just looking for free
> > >>bandwidth.  Not to mention, I'd think you'd notice
> > >>someone sitting in front of your house with a laptop....hehehee
> > >>
> > >>--- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > >>    
> > >>
> > >>>Dear List(s):
> > >>>
> > >>>Got a new computer to put into a room where we
> > can't
> > >>>reach it with CAT-5.  So I've been ready to go
> > >>>wireless, except someone suggested using the
> > phone
> > >>>lines in the house (just as a substitute wire)
> > >>>instead of wireless.  Apparently, there's a
> > device
> > >>>that will connect the NIC and the phone jack and
> > you
> > >>>can use the phone wires in the house for
> > networking.
> > >>>
> > >>>Sounds, easy, and cheap, and low tech.  Anyone
> > know
> > >>>about this?
> > >>>
> > >>>MTIA
> > >>>
> > >>>Rocky Smolin
> > >>>Beach Access Software
> > >>>      
> > >>>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue May 20 09:41:03 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 07:41:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F8D@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I often use the Tag property for that purpose instead of a variable ...
Except when I'm using Tag for something else, of course. <g>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 5:40 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate


OldValue is set to Value when the data stores, thus by AfterUpdate the
OldValue data has indeed been lost.  Use BeforeUpdate to store the value
to a variable, then compare to that variable in AfterUpdate.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:29 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate


>From my experiments, it appears that MyControl.OldValue is available 
>for
scrutiny only in the BeforeUpdate event. In the AfterUpdate event it
seems to be lost. I just wanted to confirm this hypothesis.

The point of the exercise is that I need to keep track of which columns
a user has changed and then take action accordingly. I have to update
some columns in another table depending on which columns changed in the
current table, but only if the update to the current table was
successul. I don't actually care about the old value, I'm just using it
to determine which columns changed. But by the time I get to AfterUpdate
I've lost the information.

Any suggestions as to how to work around this?

TIA,
Arthur

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue May 20 09:43:26 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 10:43:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Virus
In-Reply-To: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F8781A@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEAODNAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Just a heads up for those with poor virus protection...

I just got an email "from" 'Support at Microsoft.com', Re: Approved (Ref:
3394-65467).

It had a virus in an attached file which NAV found and quarantined.

John W. Colby
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From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Tue May 20 09:48:58 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 16:48:58 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Virus
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEAODNAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <002d01c31ede$fd5e6220$0300a8c0@S856>

got it too just these minutes, also found by NAV
Lembit Soobik

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To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:43 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Virus


> Just a heads up for those with poor virus protection...
> 
> I just got an email "from" 'Support at Microsoft.com', Re: Approved (Ref:
> 3394-65467).
> 
> It had a virus in an attached file which NAV found and quarantined.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue May 20 09:48:51 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 07:48:51 -0700
Subject: Betreft: [AccessD] Import/Copy menu and toolbars
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C335@infoserver01.infostat.local>

The ability to copy menubars and IMEX specs from another database has
been in the same place for so many versions, they probably figured
everyone had found it by now. <VBG>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Bruen [mailto:bbruen at bigpond.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:23 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Betreft: [AccessD] Import/Copy menu and toolbars


Merci Marcel!

Geeze Microsoft - now that was a bloody obvious place to put that,
wasn't it.  So bloody obvious you needn't put in help index item on it.
Why stop now?  Why not take copy/paste off the explorer/common menus and
put it on a web based extension only accessible through IE 7.3 (SP-Pi)
advanced configuration! </sarcasm>

Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:55 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Betreft: [AccessD] Import/Copy menu and toolbars


Hi Bruce,

I always copy them by selecting with the right mouseclick the option
IMPORT in the table section of your database. Then select the original
database. In the screen that pops up next you will find in the right
corner the button Option or Advanced. Overthere you can select the
importspecs and tool and menubars.

Hope this helps

Gr. marcel vreuls




"Bruce Bruen" <bbruen at bigpond.com>@databaseadvisors.com op 20-05-2003
13:26:08

Antwoord aub aan accessd at databaseadvisors.com

Verzonden door:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com


Aan:  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
cc:

Onderwerp:     [AccessD] Import/Copy menu and toolbars


Dear List,

Try as I might I cannot find how to import or copy a menubar and/or a
toolbar fomr one db to another.  I have a dud AXP database from which I
have managed to recover everything but the customised menus and
toolbars.

Is there a way to do this?

Tia
Bruce

P.s. remembered the subject this time!


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From mitsules_ms at nns.com  Tue May 20 09:48:10 2003
From: mitsules_ms at nns.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 10:48:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Normalization Cleanup Problem
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E293F5@nnse14.nns.com>

Group,

I have inherited a poorly designed table which I now have the time to fix.
It is the classic list of items and numerous fields for each category to
which each item applies.  I've already created and populated the normalized
tables.  What is the easiest way to make a junction table out of a table
created in this manner?  Thanks for any suggestions.


Example Record (not real data):
ID         1
ITEM       Apple
FRUIT      X
VEGETABLE
RED        X
YELLOW     X
GREEN      X
PURPLE
VINE
PLANT
BUSH
TREE       X


Mark

From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue May 20 09:52:51 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 07:52:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A97 Strange Delete Behavior
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F8F@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I haven't taken the time to figure out exactly what those two archaic
lines say, but I can tell you what's happening.  You're deleting the
table rather than the record.  If you want to delete a record, just use
this:
 
DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdDeleteRecord
 
First, you will want to set the focus back to a data control just to
keep Access from getting confused.
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Judy Johnson [mailto:jjwrite at earthlink.net] 
	Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 3:39 AM
	To: AccessD
	Subject: [AccessD] A97 Strange Delete Behavior
	
	

	
	I'm having a very strange thing occur. Not sure what's going on.
	 
	My application consists of a FE and BE. I'm linking properly and
my tables are being updated as expected. However; I added a Delete
button to a data entry form and used the Wizard - Delete Record.
	 
	When I launch the delete button the record doesn't get deleted,
but the link to the table, which is the table that the data source SQL
statement is based on, gets deleted. I've used this wizard many times
before and have never had a problem. I'm stumped!
	 
	Code that got produced by the wizard:
	    Private Sub CmdD_Click()
	    On Error GoTo Err_CmdD_Click

	    DoCmd.DoMenuItem acFormBar, acEditMenu, 8, , acMenuVer70
	    DoCmd.DoMenuItem acFormBar, acEditMenu, 6, , acMenuVer70
	 
	Exit_CmdD_Click:
	    Exit Sub
	 
	Err_CmdD_Click:
	    MsgBox Err.Description
	    Resume Exit_CmdD_Click
	    
	End Sub
	
	 
	Judy Johnson
	jjwrite at earthlink.net
	860-482-8651
	860-309-2484 (cell)
	 

	

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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Tue May 20 09:52:49 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 15:52:49 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569DB@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Yup, it's gorgeous all right. Sadly, we haven't the time or the talent to
write interfaces such as that...

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 11:45
To: accessd
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Roz

For good design download one of Bens DBs, Pathways. It is unvelieveable from
a purely graphical point of view.

Martin

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue May 20 09:54:38 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 07:54:38 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Virus
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F90@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I've had one of those a day lately at work and SpamCop notified me they
had caught and killed one before forwarding the message to me.  I CANNOT
figure out what kind of a thrill people get from sending that stuff!

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:43 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Virus


Just a heads up for those with poor virus protection...

I just got an email "from" 'Support at Microsoft.com', Re: Approved (Ref:
3394-65467).

It had a virus in an attached file which NAV found and quarantined.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From PBudge at cbsol.com  Tue May 20 09:59:16 2003
From: PBudge at cbsol.com (PBudge at cbsol.com)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 09:59:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Virus
Message-ID: <OFC7C9D76A.6386EFDB-ON86256D2C.0052177B@cbsol.com>


I got the exact email yesterday and again today.  Fortunately, I use Lotus
Notes here at work so didn't have any problems with it.  You getting it too
does make me wonder if it's not related to the list though - perhaps
someone else on the list is infected?  I assume that Drew's archives don't
show our email addresses.


Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions


                                                                                                                                               
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Just a heads up for those with poor virus protection...

I just got an email "from" 'Support at Microsoft.com', Re: Approved (Ref:
3394-65467).

It had a virus in an attached file which NAV found and quarantined.

John W. Colby
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue May 20 09:57:16 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 07:57:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F91@infoserver01.infostat.local>

There's also a great book out call User Interface Design for
Programmers, by Joel Spolsky, that discusses Windows interface design in
general, complete with examples of what to avoid.
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
	Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:53 AM
	To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
	Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
	
	

	Hi all 

	Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a discussion
about interface design, and someone was hosting a gallery of different
interfaces that had been done with Access?

	Does anybody know if it's still there, where it was, and whether
there are any other good resources out there? 

	TIA 

	Roz 

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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Tue May 20 09:59:30 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 15:59:30 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Virus
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEAODNAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
	<002d01c31ede$fd5e6220$0300a8c0@S856>
Message-ID: <000901c31ee0$6a6b4b70$9111758f@aine>

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3040247.stm


Martin



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lembit Soobik" <Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de>
To: "accessd" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus


> got it too just these minutes, also found by NAV
> Lembit Soobik
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:43 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Virus
> 
> 
> > Just a heads up for those with poor virus protection...
> > 
> > I just got an email "from" 'Support at Microsoft.com', Re: Approved (Ref:
> > 3394-65467).
> > 
> > It had a virus in an attached file which NAV found and quarantined.
> > 
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
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From artful at rogers.com  Tue May 20 10:00:35 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 11:00:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F8D@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <007401c31ee0$9188e000$8e01a8c0@Rock>

That's not a bad idea, Charlotte. And one can always assemble and later
parse the Tag as if it were say a connection string, by looking for the
semicolons. I think I'll do some experiments. Thanks for the suggestion.

A.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: May 20, 2003 10:41 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate


I often use the Tag property for that purpose instead of a variable ...
Except when I'm using Tag for something else, of course. <g>

Charlotte Foust


From harkins at iglou.com  Tue May 20 10:05:49 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 11:05:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Virus
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F90@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <003001c31ee1$510346f0$ade6ffcc@SusanOne>

It has been a bad week -- I'm getting, on the average, about 20 infected
messages a day. Before this week -- a few a week. I'm using Norton and
frankly, I usually just update my files every few days -- I'm tempted to
start updating every few hours! ;)

Susan H.


> I've had one of those a day lately at work and SpamCop notified me they
> had caught and killed one before forwarding the message to me.  I CANNOT
> figure out what kind of a thrill people get from sending that stuff!
>
> Charlotte Foust



From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Tue May 20 10:07:39 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 10:07:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A97 Strange Delete Behavior
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F87823@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

That's old Access 2.0 code that M$ seems unable to convert since their
wizards keep generating it.  The first line says to execute the 8th item
on that menu, which in A2.0 was the Select option.  The next line says
to execute the 6th option which was the Delete option.  Of course, if
they change the order of the options on the menu then you are royally
scr*wed.

If it is the table that has focus instead of the record, then you are
selecting and deleting the table, not the record you wanted to delete.

Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: Tuesday 2003 May 20 09:53
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A97 Strange Delete Behavior
Importance: Low


I haven't taken the time to figure out exactly what those two archaic
lines say, but I can tell you what's happening.  You're deleting the
table rather than the record.  If you want to delete a record, just use
this:

DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdDeleteRecord

First, you will want to set the focus back to a data control just to
keep Access from getting confused.

Charlotte Foust
-----Original Message-----
From: Judy Johnson [mailto:jjwrite at earthlink.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 3:39 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] A97 Strange Delete Behavior


I'm having a very strange thing occur. Not sure what's going on.

My application consists of a FE and BE. I'm linking properly and my
tables are being updated as expected. However; I added a Delete button
to a data entry form and used the Wizard - Delete Record.

When I launch the delete button the record doesn't get deleted, but the
link to the table, which is the table that the data source SQL statement
is based on, gets deleted. I've used this wizard many times before and
have never had a problem. I'm stumped!

Code that got produced by the wizard:
    Private Sub CmdD_Click()
    On Error GoTo Err_CmdD_Click

    DoCmd.DoMenuItem acFormBar, acEditMenu, 8, , acMenuVer70
    DoCmd.DoMenuItem acFormBar, acEditMenu, 6, , acMenuVer70

Exit_CmdD_Click:
    Exit Sub

Err_CmdD_Click:
    MsgBox Err.Description
    Resume Exit_CmdD_Click
    
End Sub


Judy Johnson
jjwrite at earthlink.net
860-482-8651
860-309-2484 (cell)

From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue May 20 10:08:11 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 08:08:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Virus
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F93@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I've been getting it at work for a week or so, but I'm also getting it
at home on two different email addresses, so I don't think it's related
to the list.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: PBudge at cbsol.com [mailto:PBudge at cbsol.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus



I got the exact email yesterday and again today.  Fortunately, I use
Lotus Notes here at work so didn't have any problems with it.  You
getting it too does make me wonder if it's not related to the list
though - perhaps someone else on the list is infected?  I assume that
Drew's archives don't show our email addresses.


Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions


 

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Just a heads up for those with poor virus protection...

I just got an email "from" 'Support at Microsoft.com', Re: Approved (Ref:
3394-65467).

It had a virus in an attached file which NAV found and quarantined.

John W. Colby
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From mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com  Tue May 20 11:11:42 2003
From: mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com (Mark Whittinghill)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 10:11:42 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEAKDNAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00e401c31eea$80e24980$0400000a@PASCAL>

That's interesting, because I use OldValue with AfterUpdate all the time,
and it works just fine.

Mark Whittinghill
Symphony Information Services
612-333-1311
mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:39 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate


> OldValue is set to Value when the data stores, thus by AfterUpdate the
> OldValue data has indeed been lost.  Use BeforeUpdate to store the value
to
> a variable, then compare to that variable in AfterUpdate.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:29 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
>
>
> >From my experiments, it appears that MyControl.OldValue is available for
> scrutiny only in the BeforeUpdate event. In the AfterUpdate event it seems
> to be lost. I just wanted to confirm this hypothesis.
>
> The point of the exercise is that I need to keep track of which columns a
> user has changed and then take action accordingly. I have to update some
> columns in another table depending on which columns changed in the current
> table, but only if the update to the current table was successul. I don't
> actually care about the old value, I'm just using it to determine which
> columns changed. But by the time I get to AfterUpdate I've lost the
> information.
>
> Any suggestions as to how to work around this?
>
> TIA,
> Arthur
>
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Tue May 20 10:17:10 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 16:17:10 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] 
	RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
	Find Files db
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569DC@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but
Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:

  Dim varItem As Variant
  With Application.FileSearch
    .NewSearch
    .SearchSubFolders = True
    .FileName = "*.mdb"
    .LookIn = "G:\"
    .Execute
    'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
        strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & varItem & "'
)"
        'Debug.Print strSQL
        DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
    Next varItem
  End With

This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any date
info. But that's fine, I can live with that.

What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it (yes, I
know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but the
.FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked in any
sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky behaviour you
guys have experienced?!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
To: Roz Clarke
Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


Was curious about the code.  Standing by...

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


> The email or the code?
>
> I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out yet 
> - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and 
> now have
a
> stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
>
> I'll let you know!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> did it work?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
> Find Files db
>
>
> > cheers
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with a 
> > .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.
> > Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > >
> > >
> > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Roz:
> > >
> > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > >
> > > Do you have another email address that might let these go through?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector" 
> > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable.
> > Find
> > > Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company 
> > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > >
> > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>


From nancy.lytle at auatac.com  Tue May 20 10:26:43 2003
From: nancy.lytle at auatac.com (Nancy Lytle)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 11:26:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
In-Reply-To: <002b01c31ecf$5c53b880$9900a8c0@bbb888>
Message-ID: <OPEHJDCMPKDOHDELKBPHKEOJDLAA.nancy.lytle@auatac.com>

On a lighter note, for those really tight places for stringing cables -
walls and low ceilings-, why not use a ferret, they can get into the most
unusual places, they work on the cheap, on the other hand they can be
tempermental.

N Lytle :))

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:57 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


True enough - we only had to get across 2x4 stringers, luckily the
rafters/upper floor bearers (2x10) ran the other way.  The car
negotiated the 2x4s without a problem.

I would NEVER suggest running data through power conduit.  Guess we were
lucky again in that the house is full brick and there is a "fair" 10mm
gap between the skins, the only obstacle to vertical drops being the
brickies ties.  Brick veneer and etc with studded walls is always a
problem for any vertical cabling - I usually have opted for "dress"
conduit except in the rare cases where I felt the job was worth
replastering the wall.

Bruce
P.s. I have done it for a living.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Frank Tanner
III
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


That works fine for an office build.  But RC cars
don't work well in raftered house ceilings.  Most
houses here use 2x6s or 2x8s for rafters.  Or at least
most of the ones that I've seen.

If you're running network lines down the same conduit
as electrical wiring you're violating about a dozen
fire and safety codes.  Not to mention every basic
rule of network wiring that there is.

Electrical wiring, ESPECIALLY two-phase and
three-phase wiring emit large amounts of RF.  RF kills
data integrity.  One of the most basic rules of
network wiring is NEVER string your network wires
across power conduits, junction boxes, or lighting
fixtures.  Don't believe me?  Ask anyone that does it
for a living.  You, physically, can do it, but you
shouldn't.  You're asking for trouble.

--- Bruce Bruen <bbruen at bigpond.com> wrote:
> Try a $50 remote control 4WD model (ATV? For youse
> yanquies?) - we wired
> 200+ points in an office building several years ago
> using a couple of
> these - without removing the false ceiling.  They
> have a great advantage
> over nerf balls as you can make them go around
> things!. Also used one to
> cast 240V twin core for ceiling downlights BETWEEN
> the ceiling and the
> upper floor in our "new" 1928 built house last year.
> One sparky said "it
> couldn't be done" without removing the original cast
> plaster ceilings,
> another said $4500+ (for running the cable).   I
> said "bullSh*t", and
> did it myself, got a GOOD sparky to connect the
> cabling to the house
> circuit and certify the work for $60 + 2 coffees and
> a couple of beers.
>
> The way to get cable down a cored wall is to use
> that plastic strapping
> they use on whitegoods - as long as you can get a
> length of it - but
> better still is the plastic jointer strip out of
> quickclip flooring -
> you can shape the end to a blunt point and feed it
> UP a 1/2" or less
> core, attach the cable in the ceiling space and whip
> it down the core in
> approx 1/8 the time it takes the cat to get inside
> on a rainy day.
>
> If you DYI cat5, there is only one real tip - try
> not to kink the cable,
> otherwise I reckon its as good as $20/metre (or yard
> speaker cable for
> anything.  Oh, and another, if you cr*p up a
> connection on cat5 whether
> its Krone or grub screwed or whatever - cut the
> whole 4" off and start
> again, its not worth the hassle of bad connectors.
>
> Have fun! Crawling in 18" high dusty, cramped, dark,
> lumpy (with sharp
> bits) spaces is what some idiots do for a sport!
>
> Bruce
>
>
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> III
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:05 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> lines
>
>
> Yeah.  Those work well for drop ceiling.  We used to
> use string tied to a Nerf football...hehehe
>
> It can be a little more problematic in housing
> rafters
> though, unless you have lots of space.  Most houses
> here in Phoenix don't have attics, so the rafters
> have
> like 3 feet of clearance or so tops.  Makes it a
> real
> pain in the butt to string cable through....hehee
>
> --- MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca> wrote:
> > Here is an article on tools and methods to use for difficult CAT-5
> > cabling. I really like the fly fishing rod and slingshot
> > methods.
> >
>
http://www.techrepublic.com/article.jhtml?id=r00320030218vgl01.htm&fromt
> m=e101-3
> >
> > Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:
> >
> > >Frank:
> > >
> > >Thanks for the heads up.  I can get CAT5 to that
> > room but it will cost
> > >$500-600 because of where it is.  :(
> > >
> > >Looks like wireless for me.
> > >
> > >Rocky
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Frank Tanner III"
> <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > >To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:29 AM
> > >Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> > lines
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>I highly recommend against this.  Most telephone
> > >>wiring in homes is CAT3 *AT BEST*.  In alot of
> > cases,
> > >>not even that good.
> > >>
> > >>Most home telephone wiring is so splices and mickey-moused
> > >>together that you will be lucky if
> > you
> > >>get any connection at all.  And if you do, it
> will
> > >>probably be spotty, at best, due to
> > electromagenetic
> > >>interferance from other devices.
> > >>
> > >>Network engineering is what I do for a living.
> > I'd go
> > >>wireless LONG before I'd trust home telco wiring
> > for
> > >>my LAN.  Myself, I strung CAT5 in my house.  But
> > >>that's because I know how to.  For most home
> users
> > >>wireless would be a perfect fit.  If you're
> > worried
> > >>about people leeching your bandwidth or
> "sniffing"
> > off
> > >>of your wireless LAN, there are ways to lock it
> > down,
> > >>simply.  Will it stop the determined leech?
> Nope.
> > >>But it would stop 90% of the leeches that are
> out
> > >>there, because most are just looking for free
> > >>bandwidth.  Not to mention, I'd think you'd
> notice
> > >>someone sitting in front of your house with a
> laptop....hehehee
> > >>
> > >>--- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>Dear List(s):
> > >>>
> > >>>Got a new computer to put into a room where we
> > can't
> > >>>reach it with CAT-5.  So I've been ready to go
> > >>>wireless, except someone suggested using the
> > phone
> > >>>lines in the house (just as a substitute wire)
> > >>>instead of wireless.  Apparently, there's a
> > device
> > >>>that will connect the NIC and the phone jack
> and
> > you
> > >>>can use the phone wires in the house for
> > networking.
> > >>>
> > >>>Sounds, easy, and cheap, and low tech.  Anyone
> > know
> > >>>about this?
> > >>>
> > >>>MTIA
> > >>>
> > >>>Rocky Smolin
> > >>>Beach Access Software
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >
> >>>>_______________________________________________
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
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> > >>>
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> > >>>
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> >
>
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> > >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Tue May 20 10:27:10 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 16:27:10 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569DE@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>


Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but
Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:

  Dim varItem As Variant
  With Application.FileSearch
    .NewSearch
    .SearchSubFolders = True
    .FileName = "*.mdb"
    .LookIn = "G:\"
    .Execute
    'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
        strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & varItem & "'
)"
        'Debug.Print strSQL
        DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
    Next varItem
  End With

This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any date
info. But that's fine, I can live with that.

What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it (yes, I
know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but the
.FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked in any
sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky behaviour you
guys have experienced?!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
To: Roz Clarke
Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


Was curious about the code.  Standing by...

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


> The email or the code?
>
> I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out yet
> - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and 
> now have
a
> stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
>
> I'll let you know!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> did it work?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> > cheers
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with a
> > .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.
> > Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > >
> > >
> > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Roz:
> > >
> > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > >
> > > Do you have another email address that might let these go through?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector"
> > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable.
> > Find
> > > Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company
> > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > >
> > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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From papparuff at attbi.com  Tue May 20 10:28:23 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 08:28:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
	unreadable.Find Files db
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569DC@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <ACECJMOIMOPEIAHJCLCPIENNFNAA.papparuff@attbi.com>

Roz,

I provided a sample on the 19th for you.  It uses a combination of
Microsoft's Scripting Runtime and the FileSearch to get the file location
and file size.  The Scripting provides the means to get details about a
file.



John V. Ruff ? The Eternal Optimist :-)
Always Looking For Contract Opportunities

Home: 253.588.2139
Cell: 253.307/2947
9306 Farwest Dr SW
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                and your plans will succeed.? Proverbs 16:3



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:17 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.Find Files db


Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but
Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:

  Dim varItem As Variant
  With Application.FileSearch
    .NewSearch
    .SearchSubFolders = True
    .FileName = "*.mdb"
    .LookIn = "G:\"
    .Execute
    'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
        strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & varItem & "'
)"
        'Debug.Print strSQL
        DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
    Next varItem
  End With

This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any date
info. But that's fine, I can live with that.

What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it (yes, I
know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but the
.FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked in any
sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky behaviour you
guys have experienced?!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
To: Roz Clarke
Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


Was curious about the code.  Standing by...

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


> The email or the code?
>
> I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out yet
> - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and
> now have
a
> stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
>
> I'll let you know!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> did it work?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
> Find Files db
>
>
> > cheers
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with a
> > .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.
> > Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > >
> > >
> > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Roz:
> > >
> > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > >
> > > Do you have another email address that might let these go through?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector"
> > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > unreadable.
> > Find
> > > Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company
> > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > >
> > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue May 20 10:33:46 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 08:33:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F95@infoserver01.infostat.local>

You can't use it after the *form's* AfterUpdate event because at that
point all the OldValues are the same as the current value.  You're OK
with the control's AfterUpdate event because the data hasn't actually
been written to the table yet.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Whittinghill [mailto:mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:12 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate


That's interesting, because I use OldValue with AfterUpdate all the
time, and it works just fine.

Mark Whittinghill
Symphony Information Services
612-333-1311
mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:39 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate


> OldValue is set to Value when the data stores, thus by AfterUpdate the

> OldValue data has indeed been lost.  Use BeforeUpdate to store the 
> value
to
> a variable, then compare to that variable in AfterUpdate.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur 
> Fuller
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:29 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
>
>
> >From my experiments, it appears that MyControl.OldValue is available 
> >for
> scrutiny only in the BeforeUpdate event. In the AfterUpdate event it 
> seems to be lost. I just wanted to confirm this hypothesis.
>
> The point of the exercise is that I need to keep track of which 
> columns a user has changed and then take action accordingly. I have to

> update some columns in another table depending on which columns 
> changed in the current table, but only if the update to the current 
> table was successul. I don't actually care about the old value, I'm 
> just using it to determine which columns changed. But by the time I 
> get to AfterUpdate I've lost the information.
>
> Any suggestions as to how to work around this?
>
> TIA,
> Arthur
>
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From nancy.lytle at auatac.com  Tue May 20 10:41:00 2003
From: nancy.lytle at auatac.com (Nancy Lytle)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 11:41:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
	unreadable.Find Files db
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569DC@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <OPEHJDCMPKDOHDELKBPHGEOKDLAA.nancy.lytle@auatac.com>

I ran that same code just changing the directory to C:\ and it came up with
all the mdb plus some (only a few really) that are on other drives (and
listed them mulitiple times at that, I'm not sure how it came up with the
extra ones.
It did grab ones from a sub-sub-sub folder starting with R.  I had none in a
direct sub folder so I can't answer your question directly.
N Lytle

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 11:17 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.Find Files db


Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but
Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:

  Dim varItem As Variant
  With Application.FileSearch
    .NewSearch
    .SearchSubFolders = True
    .FileName = "*.mdb"
    .LookIn = "G:\"
    .Execute
    'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
        strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & varItem & "'
)"
        'Debug.Print strSQL
        DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
    Next varItem
  End With

This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any date
info. But that's fine, I can live with that.

What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it (yes, I
know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but the
..FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked in any
sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky behaviour you
guys have experienced?!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
To: Roz Clarke
Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


Was curious about the code.  Standing by...

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


> The email or the code?
>
> I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out yet
> - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and
> now have
a
> stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
>
> I'll let you know!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> did it work?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
> Find Files db
>
>
> > cheers
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with a
> > .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.
> > Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > >
> > >
> > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Roz:
> > >
> > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > >
> > > Do you have another email address that might let these go through?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector"
> > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > unreadable.
> > Find
> > > Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company
> > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > >
> > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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From papparuff at attbi.com  Tue May 20 10:36:27 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 08:36:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569DE@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <ACECJMOIMOPEIAHJCLCPMENOFNAA.papparuff@attbi.com>

Roz,

I provided a sample on the 19th for you.  It uses a combination of
Microsoft's Scripting Runtime and the FileSearch to get the file location
and file size.  The Scripting provides the means to get details about a
file.



John V. Ruff ? The Eternal Optimist :-)
Always Looking For Contract Opportunities

Home: 253.588.2139
Cell: 253.307/2947
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                and your plans will succeed.? Proverbs 16:3



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:27 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames



Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but
Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:

  Dim varItem As Variant
  With Application.FileSearch
    .NewSearch
    .SearchSubFolders = True
    .FileName = "*.mdb"
    .LookIn = "G:\"
    .Execute
    'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
        strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & varItem & "'
)"
        'Debug.Print strSQL
        DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
    Next varItem
  End With

This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any date
info. But that's fine, I can live with that.

What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it (yes, I
know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but the
.FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked in any
sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky behaviour you
guys have experienced?!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
To: Roz Clarke
Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


Was curious about the code.  Standing by...

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


> The email or the code?
>
> I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out yet
> - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and
> now have
a
> stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
>
> I'll let you know!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> did it work?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> > cheers
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with a
> > .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.
> > Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > >
> > >
> > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Roz:
> > >
> > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > >
> > > Do you have another email address that might let these go through?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector"
> > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > unreadable.
> > Find
> > > Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company
> > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > >
> > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Tue May 20 10:38:21 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 10:38:21 -0500
Subject: Find Files - was RE: [AccessD] RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk
	was corrupt ofunreadable.Find Files db
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F35831@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

For the archives sake, please quit using such a wacky subject line and
use a more appropriate one such as the one I have suggested.  Doesn't
anybody bother to read their messages before they hit the Send button?
<grin>

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
Sent: Tuesday 2003 May 20 10:28
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was
corrupt ofunreadable.Find Files db
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:17 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.Find Files db
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable. Find Files db
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> unreadable. Find Files db
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.
> > Find Files db
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector" 
> > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable.
> > Find
> > > Files db

From PBudge at cbsol.com  Tue May 20 10:43:14 2003
From: PBudge at cbsol.com (PBudge at cbsol.com)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 10:43:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Virus
Message-ID: <OF98FA6492.235CA47F-ON86256D2C.005644DD@cbsol.com>


Ok.  I've only had it here and other than a few internal emails, I only
really get the list on this address.  So when everybody started saying
they'd been getting it too, it seemed possible.

Thanks

Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions


                                                                                                                                               
                      "Charlotte Foust"                                                                                                        
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                      om>                              cc:                                                                                     
                      Sent by:                         Subject:  RE: [AccessD] Virus                                                           
                      accessd-bounces at databasea                                                                                                
                      dvisors.com                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                               
                      05/20/2003 10:08 AM                                                                                                      
                      Please respond to accessd                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                               




I've been getting it at work for a week or so, but I'm also getting it
at home on two different email addresses, so I don't think it's related
to the list.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: PBudge at cbsol.com [mailto:PBudge at cbsol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus



I got the exact email yesterday and again today.  Fortunately, I use
Lotus Notes here at work so didn't have any problems with it.  You
getting it too does make me wonder if it's not related to the list
though - perhaps someone else on the list is infected?  I assume that
Drew's archives don't show our email addresses.


Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions




                      "John Colby"

                      <jcolby at colbyconsulting.c        To:
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

                      om>                              cc:

                      Sent by:                         Subject:
[AccessD] Virus

                      accessd-bounces at databasea

                      dvisors.com





                      05/20/2003 09:43 AM

                      Please respond to accessd









Just a heads up for those with poor virus protection...

I just got an email "from" 'Support at Microsoft.com', Re: Approved (Ref:
3394-65467).

It had a virus in an attached file which NAV found and quarantined.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com  Tue May 20 11:43:41 2003
From: mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com (Mark Whittinghill)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 10:43:41 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F95@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <001a01c31eee$f8d898a0$0400000a@PASCAL>

Ahh... I missed the part about form AfterUpdate

Mark Whittinghill
Symphony Information Services
612-333-1311
mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:33 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate


> You can't use it after the *form's* AfterUpdate event because at that
> point all the OldValues are the same as the current value.  You're OK
> with the control's AfterUpdate event because the data hasn't actually
> been written to the table yet.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Whittinghill [mailto:mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:12 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
> 
> 
> That's interesting, because I use OldValue with AfterUpdate all the
> time, and it works just fine.
> 
> Mark Whittinghill
> Symphony Information Services
> 612-333-1311
> mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:39 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
> 
> 
> > OldValue is set to Value when the data stores, thus by AfterUpdate the
> 
> > OldValue data has indeed been lost.  Use BeforeUpdate to store the 
> > value
> to
> > a variable, then compare to that variable in AfterUpdate.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur 
> > Fuller
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:29 AM
> > To: AccessD
> > Subject: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
> >
> >
> > >From my experiments, it appears that MyControl.OldValue is available 
> > >for
> > scrutiny only in the BeforeUpdate event. In the AfterUpdate event it 
> > seems to be lost. I just wanted to confirm this hypothesis.
> >
> > The point of the exercise is that I need to keep track of which 
> > columns a user has changed and then take action accordingly. I have to
> 
> > update some columns in another table depending on which columns 
> > changed in the current table, but only if the update to the current 
> > table was successul. I don't actually care about the old value, I'm 
> > just using it to determine which columns changed. But by the time I 
> > get to AfterUpdate I've lost the information.
> >
> > Any suggestions as to how to work around this?
> >
> > TIA,
> > Arthur
> >
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> >
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> >
> 
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> 


From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Tue May 20 10:41:54 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 16:41:54 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt 
	of unreadable.Find Files db
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569E1@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Sorry John. Makes me look like an ungrateful brat... I read your mail last
night and then forgot to follow it through this morning *hangs head in
shame*

If I can get the FileSearch object to work then I'll implement your
suggestion re: scripting and that will be great :)

If I can't, well... Cleaning up these 280 databases will be even more of a
nightmare than otherwise!

Thanks for the help

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 16:28
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.Find Files db


Roz,

I provided a sample on the 19th for you.  It uses a combination of
Microsoft's Scripting Runtime and the FileSearch to get the file location
and file size.  The Scripting provides the means to get details about a
file.



John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
Always Looking For Contract Opportunities

Home: 253.588.2139
Cell: 253.307/2947
9306 Farwest Dr SW
Lakewood, WA 98498

"Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
                and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:17 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.Find Files db


Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but
Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:

  Dim varItem As Variant
  With Application.FileSearch
    .NewSearch
    .SearchSubFolders = True
    .FileName = "*.mdb"
    .LookIn = "G:\"
    .Execute
    'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
        strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & varItem & "'
)"
        'Debug.Print strSQL
        DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
    Next varItem
  End With

This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any date
info. But that's fine, I can live with that.

What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it (yes, I
know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but the
.FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked in any
sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky behaviour you
guys have experienced?!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
To: Roz Clarke
Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


Was curious about the code.  Standing by...

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


> The email or the code?
>
> I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out yet
> - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and 
> now have
a
> stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
>
> I'll let you know!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> did it work?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> > cheers
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with a 
> > .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.
> > Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > >
> > >
> > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Roz:
> > >
> > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > >
> > > Do you have another email address that might let these go through?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector" 
> > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable.
> > Find
> > > Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company 
> > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > >
> > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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From artful at rogers.com  Tue May 20 10:44:06 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 11:44:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
In-Reply-To: <00e401c31eea$80e24980$0400000a@PASCAL>
Message-ID: <008601c31ee6$a58f7720$8e01a8c0@Rock>

Interesting. I just did experiments and don't see how your stuff can work.
In AfterUpdate, I get OldValue = Value, invariably, and I've done about 20
tests. I'm using debug.print to dump the values and in BeforeUpdate they
differ but in AfterUpdate they never differ.

A.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Whittinghill
Sent: May 20, 2003 12:12 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate


That's interesting, because I use OldValue with AfterUpdate all the time,
and it works just fine.



From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Tue May 20 10:45:10 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 16:45:10 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt 
	of unreadable.Find Files db
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569E2@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

That's what's so weird. It went 4 levels deep in the directories to find
some files, but others it never even went into 1 level of sub-folders.

I had a colleague try running the code from a different machine and it
returned the same 152 files.. So at least it's *consistently* whacky... lol

-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Lytle [mailto:nancy.lytle at auatac.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 16:41
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.Find Files db


I ran that same code just changing the directory to C:\ and it came up with
all the mdb plus some (only a few really) that are on other drives (and
listed them mulitiple times at that, I'm not sure how it came up with the
extra ones. It did grab ones from a sub-sub-sub folder starting with R.  I
had none in a direct sub folder so I can't answer your question directly. N
Lytle

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 11:17 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.Find Files db


Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but
Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:

  Dim varItem As Variant
  With Application.FileSearch
    .NewSearch
    .SearchSubFolders = True
    .FileName = "*.mdb"
    .LookIn = "G:\"
    .Execute
    'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
        strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & varItem & "'
)"
        'Debug.Print strSQL
        DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
    Next varItem
  End With

This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any date
info. But that's fine, I can live with that.

What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it (yes, I
know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but the
..FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked in any
sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky behaviour you
guys have experienced?!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
To: Roz Clarke
Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


Was curious about the code.  Standing by...

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


> The email or the code?
>
> I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out yet
> - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and 
> now have
a
> stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
>
> I'll let you know!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> did it work?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> > cheers
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with a 
> > .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.
> > Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > >
> > >
> > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Roz:
> > >
> > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > >
> > > Do you have another email address that might let these go through?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector" 
> > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable.
> > Find
> > > Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company 
> > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > >
> > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Tue May 20 10:46:09 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 16:46:09 +0100
Subject: Find Files - was RE: [AccessD] RE: Your last E-Mail to donnsl
	aw.co.uk was corrupt ofunreadable.Find Files db
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569E3@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Apologies. I sent it again with a sensible subject line hoping everyone
would ignore the bizarro one and use that. No such luck!

-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 16:38
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Find Files - was RE: [AccessD] RE: Your last E-Mail to
donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt ofunreadable.Find Files db


For the archives sake, please quit using such a wacky subject line and use a
more appropriate one such as the one I have suggested.  Doesn't anybody
bother to read their messages before they hit the Send button? <grin>

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
Sent: Tuesday 2003 May 20 10:28
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt
ofunreadable.Find Files db -----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:17 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.Find Files db
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable. Find Files db
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.
> > Find Files db
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector" 
> > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable.
> > Find
> > > Files db
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue May 20 10:47:38 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 08:47:38 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C336@infoserver01.infostat.local>

That's interesting, Roz.  I just pulled your code out, changed the path
to point to a folder on my machine with mdbs in it, and got a zero for
the FoundFiles count.  And I had the same problem with Rocky's sample
database.  It has to be a setting that is causing the failures some of
us are experiencing.  Now, if we could just figure out what it is ...
:o{

Rocky, any suggestions?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:27 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames



Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but
Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:

  Dim varItem As Variant
  With Application.FileSearch
    .NewSearch
    .SearchSubFolders = True
    .FileName = "*.mdb"
    .LookIn = "G:\"
    .Execute
    'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
        strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & varItem
& "' )"
        'Debug.Print strSQL
        DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
    Next varItem
  End With

This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any
date info. But that's fine, I can live with that.

What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it
(yes, I know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but
the .FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked
in any sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky
behaviour you guys have experienced?!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
To: Roz Clarke
Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable. Find Files db


Was curious about the code.  Standing by...

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable. Find Files db


> The email or the code?
>
> I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out yet
> - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and
> now have
a
> stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
>
> I'll let you know!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> did it work?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> > cheers
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with a 
> > .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.
> > Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > >
> > >
> > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Roz:
> > >
> > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > >
> > > Do you have another email address that might let these go through?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector" 
> > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > unreadable.
> > Find
> > > Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company 
> > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > >
> > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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From mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com  Tue May 20 11:52:36 2003
From: mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com (Mark Whittinghill)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 10:52:36 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
References: <008601c31ee6$a58f7720$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <001c01c31ef0$37965810$0400000a@PASCAL>

As Charlotte pointed out, I was thinking Control.OldValue.  Unless you were
also, in which case we're back to confusion.

Mark Whittinghill
Symphony Information Services
612-333-1311
mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:44 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate


> Interesting. I just did experiments and don't see how your stuff can work.
> In AfterUpdate, I get OldValue = Value, invariably, and I've done about 20
> tests. I'm using debug.print to dump the values and in BeforeUpdate they
> differ but in AfterUpdate they never differ.
>
> A.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Whittinghill
> Sent: May 20, 2003 12:12 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
>
>
> That's interesting, because I use OldValue with AfterUpdate all the time,
> and it works just fine.
>
>
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Tue May 20 10:56:20 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 16:56:20 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569E4@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Well I'm running Office XP on WXP w/ Service Pack 1.

I can't think of any specific settings which would lead to the exclusion of
the particular databases I'm missing :(

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 16:48
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


That's interesting, Roz.  I just pulled your code out, changed the path to
point to a folder on my machine with mdbs in it, and got a zero for the
FoundFiles count.  And I had the same problem with Rocky's sample database.
It has to be a setting that is causing the failures some of us are
experiencing.  Now, if we could just figure out what it is ... :o{

Rocky, any suggestions?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:27 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames



Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but
Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:

  Dim varItem As Variant
  With Application.FileSearch
    .NewSearch
    .SearchSubFolders = True
    .FileName = "*.mdb"
    .LookIn = "G:\"
    .Execute
    'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
        strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & varItem & "'
)"
        'Debug.Print strSQL
        DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
    Next varItem
  End With

This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any date
info. But that's fine, I can live with that.

What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it (yes, I
know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but the
.FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked in any
sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky behaviour you
guys have experienced?!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
To: Roz Clarke
Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


Was curious about the code.  Standing by...

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


> The email or the code?
>
> I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out yet
> - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and 
> now have
a
> stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
>
> I'll let you know!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> did it work?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> > cheers
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with a
> > .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.
> > Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > >
> > >
> > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Roz:
> > >
> > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > >
> > > Do you have another email address that might let these go through?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector"
> > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > unreadable.
> > Find
> > > Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company
> > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > >
> > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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From kwilliam at ashlandnet.com  Tue May 20 10:59:07 2003
From: kwilliam at ashlandnet.com (Keith Williamson)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 11:59:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Virus
In-Reply-To: <OF98FA6492.235CA47F-ON86256D2C.005644DD@cbsol.com>
Message-ID: <004001c31ee8$bf0d4630$64aba8c0@ashlandnet.com>

I got it too...but knew better than to open it.  ;)  It could be from
GOD...I don't open anything unless I know what it is, first.

Keith E. Williamson
Ashland Equipment, Inc
phone # (410) 273-1856
fax #     (410) 273-1859

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 11:43 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus


Ok.  I've only had it here and other than a few internal emails, I only
really get the list on this address.  So when everybody started saying
they'd been getting it too, it seemed possible.

Thanks

Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions


 

                      "Charlotte Foust"

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I've been getting it at work for a week or so, but I'm also getting it
at home on two different email addresses, so I don't think it's related
to the list.

Charlotte Foust

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From: PBudge at cbsol.com [mailto:PBudge at cbsol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus



I got the exact email yesterday and again today.  Fortunately, I use
Lotus Notes here at work so didn't have any problems with it.  You
getting it too does make me wonder if it's not related to the list
though - perhaps someone else on the list is infected?  I assume that
Drew's archives don't show our email addresses.


Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
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Just a heads up for those with poor virus protection...

I just got an email "from" 'Support at Microsoft.com', Re: Approved (Ref:
3394-65467).

It had a virus in an attached file which NAV found and quarantined.

John W. Colby
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue May 20 11:09:20 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 09:09:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F97@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I'm running OXP SP-2 on WXP SP1, but I'm not getting *any* foundfiles no
matter what kind I'm searching for.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:56 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Well I'm running Office XP on WXP w/ Service Pack 1.

I can't think of any specific settings which would lead to the exclusion
of the particular databases I'm missing :(

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 16:48
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


That's interesting, Roz.  I just pulled your code out, changed the path
to point to a folder on my machine with mdbs in it, and got a zero for
the FoundFiles count.  And I had the same problem with Rocky's sample
database. It has to be a setting that is causing the failures some of us
are experiencing.  Now, if we could just figure out what it is ... :o{

Rocky, any suggestions?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:27 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames



Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but
Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:

  Dim varItem As Variant
  With Application.FileSearch
    .NewSearch
    .SearchSubFolders = True
    .FileName = "*.mdb"
    .LookIn = "G:\"
    .Execute
    'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
        strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & varItem
& "' )"
        'Debug.Print strSQL
        DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
    Next varItem
  End With

This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any
date info. But that's fine, I can live with that.

What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it
(yes, I know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but
the .FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked
in any sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky
behaviour you guys have experienced?!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
To: Roz Clarke
Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable. Find Files db


Was curious about the code.  Standing by...

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable. Find Files db


> The email or the code?
>
> I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out yet
> - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and
> now have
a
> stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
>
> I'll let you know!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> did it work?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> > cheers
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with a 
> > .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.
> > Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > >
> > >
> > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Roz:
> > >
> > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > >
> > > Do you have another email address that might let these go through?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector" 
> > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable.
> > Find
> > > Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company 
> > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > >
> > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue May 20 11:11:34 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 09:11:34 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Virus
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F98@infoserver01.infostat.local>

That's pretty much the approach I take too, although I sometimes look at
the header just for amusement.  It's kind of amusing to see
"support at microsoft.com" when the rest of the header is a mismash of
prodigy and other domains with no-name addresses.  Yeah, sure,
Microsoft sent it.  Right.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Williamson [mailto:kwilliam at ashlandnet.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus


I got it too...but knew better than to open it.  ;)  It could be from
GOD...I don't open anything unless I know what it is, first.

Keith E. Williamson
Ashland Equipment, Inc
phone # (410) 273-1856
fax #     (410) 273-1859

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
PBudge at cbsol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 11:43 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus


Ok.  I've only had it here and other than a few internal emails, I only
really get the list on this address.  So when everybody started saying
they'd been getting it too, it seemed possible.

Thanks

Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions


 

                      "Charlotte Foust"

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I've been getting it at work for a week or so, but I'm also getting it
at home on two different email addresses, so I don't think it's related
to the list.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: PBudge at cbsol.com [mailto:PBudge at cbsol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus



I got the exact email yesterday and again today.  Fortunately, I use
Lotus Notes here at work so didn't have any problems with it.  You
getting it too does make me wonder if it's not related to the list
though - perhaps someone else on the list is infected?  I assume that
Drew's archives don't show our email addresses.


Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions




                      "John Colby"

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Just a heads up for those with poor virus protection...

I just got an email "from" 'Support at Microsoft.com', Re: Approved (Ref:
3394-65467).

It had a virus in an attached file which NAV found and quarantined.

John W. Colby
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue May 20 11:12:29 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 09:12:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F99@infoserver01.infostat.local>

The confusion was between Control AfterUpdate and Form AfterUpdate
events.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Whittinghill [mailto:mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:53 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate


As Charlotte pointed out, I was thinking Control.OldValue.  Unless you
were also, in which case we're back to confusion.

Mark Whittinghill
Symphony Information Services
612-333-1311
mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:44 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate


> Interesting. I just did experiments and don't see how your stuff can 
> work. In AfterUpdate, I get OldValue = Value, invariably, and I've 
> done about 20 tests. I'm using debug.print to dump the values and in 
> BeforeUpdate they differ but in AfterUpdate they never differ.
>
> A.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Whittinghill
> Sent: May 20, 2003 12:12 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
>
>
> That's interesting, because I use OldValue with AfterUpdate all the 
> time, and it works just fine.
>
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue May 20 11:13:51 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 18:13:51 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569A5@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
References:  <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569A5@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <536753218.20030520181351@cactus.dk>

Hi Roz

> Does anyone have a code snippet for pulling file search results into Access?

> What I want is to pull the filename, path & size of all files of a given
> type on a particular drive, including those in subfolders, into a table. I
> need to do it *fast*!!!

Maybe this can help you.

/gustav

---

From: "Gary Kjos" <garykjos at hotmail.com>
To: accessd at mtgroup.com
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 21:52:26 CST

Hi Mark,

I do something similarly to load a table of JPG files. I first scan to find 
all the directories using the vbDirectory parameter of the dir command, then 
save the directory name in a tblDirectoriesToScan table. Then I read that 
table and look for all the .jpg files in each directory.

Here is a snipit of the first routine that get's the directories....

    Set rst = dbs.OpenRecordset("tblDirToScan", dbOpenTable)
    rst.Index = "DirToScanPath"
    ' Returns filename with specified extension. If more than one *.ini
    ' file exists, the first file found is returned.
    MyFile = Dir(Me!txtInputPath & "\*.*", vbDirectory)
     '   MyFile = Dir(strCurrentPath & "\*.jpg")
    If MyFile <> "" Then
        Do Until MyFile = ""
            With rst
                ' Specify record to find.
                rst.Seek "=", Me!txtInputPath & "\" & MyFile
                If rst.NoMatch Then
                    .AddNew                         ' Add new record.
                    !DirToScanPath = Me!txtInputPath & "\" & MyFile         
' Add data.
                    .Update                         ' Save changes.
                    lngAddCount = lngAddCount + 1
                Else
                    lngSkipDup = lngSkipDup + 1
                End If
            End With
            MyFile = Dir
        Loop
    End If
    rst.close

And here is the guts of the code to get the filenames;

    Set rst = dbs.OpenRecordset("tblPicture", dbOpenTable)
    rst.Index = "Picture"
    ' Returns filename with specified extension. If more than one *.ini
    ' file exists, the first file found is returned.
    Do Until rsdir.EOF
        strCurrentPath = rsdir!DirToScanPath
        Me!txtCurrentDir = strCurrentPath
        Me.Repaint
        MyFile = Dir(strCurrentPath & "\*.jpg")
        If MyFile <> "" Then
            Do Until MyFile = ""
                With rst
                    ' Specify record to find.
                    rst.Seek "=", strCurrentPath & "\" & MyFile
                    If rst.NoMatch Then
                        .AddNew                         ' Add new record.
                        !Picture = strCurrentPath & "\" & MyFile         ' 
Add data.
                        !FileName = MyFile
                        !FilePath = strCurrentPath
                        !FileSize = FileLen(strCurrentPath & "\" & MyFile)   
  ' Returns file length (bytes).
                        !FileDate = FileDateTime(strCurrentPath & "\" & 
MyFile)
                        .Update                         ' Save changes.
                        lngAddCount = lngAddCount + 1
                    Else
                        lngSkipDup = lngSkipDup + 1
                    End If
                End With
                MyFile = Dir
            Loop
        End If
        rsdir.MoveNext
    Loop
    rst.close

Good luck, hope this helps.

Gary
garykjos at hotmail.com


>From: "Mark A Matte" <markamatte at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: accessd at mtgroup.com
>To: accessd at mtgroup.com
>Subject: [accessd]Find Files...
>Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 21:29:51 GMT
>
>Hello All,
>
>In Access97 I am trying to pull a list of .mdb files with their name,size,
>location, and last modified on a 'Shared Drive'...I am using the 'Dir'
>function in a loop...but I can't get it to look into each folder.  I am
>looking for the same information you would get if you select
>"MicrosoftAccessDatabase" on the advanced tab in the "Find Files/Folders" 
>on
>the start menu, but I need it in a printable version.  I'm not even sure I
>am heading in the right direction...it seems there would be an easy way to
>get what I am looking for...but...I am missing it.  Any Ideas?
>
>Thanks Again,
>Mark A. Matte


From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Tue May 20 11:22:08 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 11:22:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Virus
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F87825@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Anybody at least half-awake knows that only M$ Marketing sends out
unsolicited e-mails.  M$ Support never does.  Some people should not go
near their e-mail until they are sober, wide awake and have their brain
turned on. <grin>  For some, that means they never should try to read
their e-mail. <VBG>

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us


-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: Tuesday 2003 May 20 11:12
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus


That's pretty much the approach I take too, although I sometimes look at
the header just for amusement.  It's kind of amusing to see
"support at microsoft.com" when the rest of the header is a mismash of
prodigy and other domains with no-name addresses.  Yeah, sure, Microsoft
sent it.  Right.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Williamson [mailto:kwilliam at ashlandnet.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus


I got it too...but knew better than to open it.  ;)  It could be from
GOD...I don't open anything unless I know what it is, first.

Keith E. Williamson
Ashland Equipment, Inc
phone # (410) 273-1856
fax #     (410) 273-1859

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
PBudge at cbsol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 11:43 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus


Ok.  I've only had it here and other than a few internal emails, I only
really get the list on this address.  So when everybody started saying
they'd been getting it too, it seemed possible.

Thanks

Pamela G. Budge
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Creative Business Solutions

From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue May 20 11:52:09 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 09:52:09 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C336@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <00c601c31ef0$27bd5650$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

I've got a couple of references checked which you may not have although it
should fail to compile without them?

Windows Script Host Object Model
VBA Extensibility 5.3
OLE Automation
Office 9.0 Object Library
DAO 3.6 Object Library
Access 9.0 Object Library
VB for A

Is varPicturePath returning the right value?

It's also set up to retrieve only files with .jpg extension.

    .FileName = "*.jpg"


Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:47 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


> That's interesting, Roz.  I just pulled your code out, changed the path
> to point to a folder on my machine with mdbs in it, and got a zero for
> the FoundFiles count.  And I had the same problem with Rocky's sample
> database.  It has to be a setting that is causing the failures some of
> us are experiencing.  Now, if we could just figure out what it is ...
> :o{
>
> Rocky, any suggestions?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:27 AM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
>
> Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but
> Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:
>
>   Dim varItem As Variant
>   With Application.FileSearch
>     .NewSearch
>     .SearchSubFolders = True
>     .FileName = "*.mdb"
>     .LookIn = "G:\"
>     .Execute
>     'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
>     DoCmd.SetWarnings False
>     For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
>         strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & varItem
> & "' )"
>         'Debug.Print strSQL
>         DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
>     Next varItem
>   End With
>
> This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any
> date info. But that's fine, I can live with that.
>
> What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it
> (yes, I know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but
> the .FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked
> in any sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky
> behaviour you guys have experienced?!
>
> Roz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> Was curious about the code.  Standing by...
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> > The email or the code?
> >
> > I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out yet
> > - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and
> > now have
> a
> > stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
> >
> > I'll let you know!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > did it work?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > cheers
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with a
> > > .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable.
> > > Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Roz:
> > > >
> > > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > > >
> > > > Do you have another email address that might let these go through?
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector"
> > > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > > unreadable.
> > > Find
> > > > Files db
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company
> > > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > > >
> > > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue May 20 11:52:45 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 09:52:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
References: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569E4@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <00cc01c31ef0$3cb42890$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Roz:

Did you change the line which limits the retrieved files to .jpg extensions?

    .FileName = "*.jpg"

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:56 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


> Well I'm running Office XP on WXP w/ Service Pack 1.
>
> I can't think of any specific settings which would lead to the exclusion
of
> the particular databases I'm missing :(
>
> Roz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 16:48
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
> That's interesting, Roz.  I just pulled your code out, changed the path to
> point to a folder on my machine with mdbs in it, and got a zero for the
> FoundFiles count.  And I had the same problem with Rocky's sample
database.
> It has to be a setting that is causing the failures some of us are
> experiencing.  Now, if we could just figure out what it is ... :o{
>
> Rocky, any suggestions?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:27 AM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
>
> Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but
> Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:
>
>   Dim varItem As Variant
>   With Application.FileSearch
>     .NewSearch
>     .SearchSubFolders = True
>     .FileName = "*.mdb"
>     .LookIn = "G:\"
>     .Execute
>     'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
>     DoCmd.SetWarnings False
>     For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
>         strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & varItem &
"'
> )"
>         'Debug.Print strSQL
>         DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
>     Next varItem
>   End With
>
> This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any date
> info. But that's fine, I can live with that.
>
> What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it (yes,
I
> know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but the
> .FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked in any
> sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky behaviour you
> guys have experienced?!
>
> Roz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
> Find Files db
>
>
> Was curious about the code.  Standing by...
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
> Find Files db
>
>
> > The email or the code?
> >
> > I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out yet
> > - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and
> > now have
> a
> > stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
> >
> > I'll let you know!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > did it work?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > cheers
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with a
> > > .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable.
> > > Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Roz:
> > > >
> > > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > > >
> > > > Do you have another email address that might let these go through?
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector"
> > > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > > unreadable.
> > > Find
> > > > Files db
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company
> > > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > > >
> > > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Tue May 20 12:01:59 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 13:01:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Revert command
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85C1F@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Did anyone else get an Access tip from ElementK today re: Restoring the last saved version of a form or report?  The tip claims there's a command in the File menu (File | Revert) that's available in all versions of Access.  I don't see it in A97.  Am I missing something or was this added in >=A2K?

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


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From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca  Tue May 20 12:09:35 2003
From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 13:09:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Revert command
Message-ID: <seca2919.019@cbc.ca>

Jim,

In A2K it only show up when a  form is in design mode. It's greyed out until you actually make a change to the form, then it becomes available.

I don't have A97 here to check.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

>>> Jdemarco at hshhp.org 20-May-03 1:01:59 PM >>>
Did anyone else get an Access tip from ElementK today re: Restoring the last saved version of a form or report?  The tip claims there's a command in the File menu (File | Revert) that's available in all versions of Access.  I don't see it in A97.  Am I missing something or was this added in >=A2K?

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


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From papparuff at attbi.com  Tue May 20 12:11:06 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 10:11:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569E4@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <ACECJMOIMOPEIAHJCLCPAEOGFNAA.papparuff@attbi.com>

Here's code that I tested and it seems to be working.  I have a table called
tbl_Files in which I want to place the name of the database found, the
directory it is located, it's size, when it was created, when it was last
modified, and when it was last accessed.

Private Sub cmdFileObject_Click()
' Provides the user Path, File Name,
' and File Size
' Insure there is a reference to the
' Microsoft Scripting Runtime
' Access 2000/2002
    On Error GoTo cmdFileObject_ERR

    Dim rst As ADODB.Command
    Dim fso As FileSystemObject
    Dim f1 As File
    Dim strFilePath As String
    Dim strFileName As String
    Dim strFileSize As String
    Dim datDateCreated As Date
    Dim datDateModified As Date
    Dim datDateAccessed As Date
    Dim I As Double

    Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
    Set rst = New ADODB.Command

    DoCmd.Hourglass True
    ' Create a recordset
    With rst
        .ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection
        .CommandType = adCmdText
        ' Create the SQL to delete any records in the table tbl_Files
        .CommandText = "DELETE * FROM tbl_Files"
        ' Delete the records
        .Execute
    End With

    With Application.FileSearch
        .NewSearch

	  ' There are over 50 subfolders where the databases reside
	  ' in this My work directory.
        .LookIn = "D:\Documents and Settings\John\My Documents\My Work"

        ' I want to search for all files that have .mda, .mdb, .mde
        ' and .ldb in their name.  Place a semicolon between each
        ' file type so that the FilesSearch will search all that
        ' you have specified
        .FileName = "*.mda; *.mdb; *.mde; *.ldb"

        .MatchTextExactly = False

	  ' FileType not required if you are using .FileName
	  ' with an extension
 '       .FileType = msoFileTypeAllFiles

	  ' Search all subfolders of My Work
        .SearchSubFolders = True

        If .Execute() > 0 Then
            For I = 1 To .FoundFiles.Count

                Set f1 = fso.GetFile(.FoundFiles(I))

                strFilePath = f1.ParentFolder
                strFileName = f1.Name
                strFileSize = f1.Size / 1000 ' Convert to KB
                datDateCreated = f1.DateCreated
                datDateModified = f1.DateLastModified
                datDateAccessed = f1.DateLastAccessed

                DoEvents

                ' SQL statement to insert the data into the tbl_Files table
                rst.CommandText = "INSERT INTO tbl_Files " & _
                        "(FilePath, FileName, FileSize, DateCreated, " & _
                        "DateLastModified, DateLastAccessed) " & _
                        "SELECT '" & _
                        strFilePath & "', '" & _
                        strFileName & " ', " & _
                        strFileSize & ", #" & _
                        datDateCreated & "#, #" & _
                        datDateModified & "#, #" & _
                        datDateAccessed & "#"
                ' Insert the record
                rst.Execute
           Next I
            MsgBox "Done. " & .FoundFiles.Count & " Records were added"
        Else
            MsgBox "No Files Found"
        End If
    End With


cmdFileObject_EXIT:

    On Error Resume Next
    DoCmd.Hourglass False
    Set rst = Nothing
    Exit Sub

cmdFileObject_ERR:

    If Err.Number = 70 Then ' Permission denied
        Resume Next
    End If
    MsgBox Error$

End Sub

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:56 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Well I'm running Office XP on WXP w/ Service Pack 1.

I can't think of any specific settings which would lead to the exclusion of
the particular databases I'm missing :(

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: 20 May 2003 16:48
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


That's interesting, Roz.  I just pulled your code out, changed the path to
point to a folder on my machine with mdbs in it, and got a zero for the
FoundFiles count.  And I had the same problem with Rocky's sample database.
It has to be a setting that is causing the failures some of us are
experiencing.  Now, if we could just figure out what it is ... :o{

Rocky, any suggestions?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:27 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames



Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but
Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:

  Dim varItem As Variant
  With Application.FileSearch
    .NewSearch
    .SearchSubFolders = True
    .FileName = "*.mdb"
    .LookIn = "G:\"
    .Execute
    'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
        strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & varItem & "'
)"
        'Debug.Print strSQL
        DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
    Next varItem
  End With

This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any date
info. But that's fine, I can live with that.

What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it (yes, I
know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but the
.FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked in any
sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky behaviour you
guys have experienced?!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
To: Roz Clarke
Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


Was curious about the code.  Standing by...

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


> The email or the code?
>
> I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out yet
> - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and
> now have
a
> stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
>
> I'll let you know!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> did it work?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> > cheers
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with a
> > .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.
> > Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > >
> > >
> > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Roz:
> > >
> > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > >
> > > Do you have another email address that might let these go through?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector"
> > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > unreadable.
> > Find
> > > Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company
> > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > >
> > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Tue May 20 12:24:52 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 13:24:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Revert command
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85C20@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

I checked A97 in design mode after making changes.  I don't see it there.  I checked View | Toolbars | Customize to see if it was hidden away somewhere but I don't see it there either.  A search of Help turns up nothing as well.  I believe their tip was mistaken.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Revert command


Jim,

In A2K it only show up when a  form is in design mode. It's greyed out until you actually make a change to the form, then it becomes available.

I don't have A97 here to check.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

>>> Jdemarco at hshhp.org 20-May-03 1:01:59 PM >>>
Did anyone else get an Access tip from ElementK today re: Restoring the last saved version of a form or report?  The tip claims there's a command in the File menu (File | Revert) that's available in all versions of Access.  I don't see it in A97.  Am I missing something or was this added in >=A2K?

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
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From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca  Tue May 20 12:58:54 2003
From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 13:58:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Revert command
Message-ID: <seca34ac.003@cbc.ca>

Sure sounds like it then.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

>>> Jdemarco at hshhp.org 20-May-03 1:24:52 PM >>>
I checked A97 in design mode after making changes.  I don't see it there.  I checked View | Toolbars | Customize to see if it was hidden away somewhere but I don't see it there either.  A search of Help turns up nothing as well.  I believe their tip was mistaken.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Revert command


Jim,

In A2K it only show up when a  form is in design mode. It's greyed out until you actually make a change to the form, then it becomes available.

I don't have A97 here to check.



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue May 20 13:00:53 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 11:00:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C337@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I'm running OXP and I don't even find the Extensibility in my list of
references, but it shouldn't make any difference.  How annoying,
especially since I know I've used this in the past with A2k.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:52 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


I've got a couple of references checked which you may not have although
it should fail to compile without them?

Windows Script Host Object Model
VBA Extensibility 5.3
OLE Automation
Office 9.0 Object Library
DAO 3.6 Object Library
Access 9.0 Object Library
VB for A

Is varPicturePath returning the right value?

It's also set up to retrieve only files with .jpg extension.

    .FileName = "*.jpg"


Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:47 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


> That's interesting, Roz.  I just pulled your code out, changed the 
> path to point to a folder on my machine with mdbs in it, and got a 
> zero for the FoundFiles count.  And I had the same problem with 
> Rocky's sample database.  It has to be a setting that is causing the 
> failures some of us are experiencing.  Now, if we could just figure 
> out what it is ... :o{
>
> Rocky, any suggestions?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:27 AM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
>
> Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but 
> Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:
>
>   Dim varItem As Variant
>   With Application.FileSearch
>     .NewSearch
>     .SearchSubFolders = True
>     .FileName = "*.mdb"
>     .LookIn = "G:\"
>     .Execute
>     'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
>     DoCmd.SetWarnings False
>     For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
>         strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & 
> varItem & "' )"
>         'Debug.Print strSQL
>         DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
>     Next varItem
>   End With
>
> This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any 
> date info. But that's fine, I can live with that.
>
> What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it 
> (yes, I know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) 
> but the .FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have 
> looked in any sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of 
> whacky behaviour you guys have experienced?!
>
> Roz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> Was curious about the code.  Standing by...
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> > The email or the code?
> >
> > I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out 
> > yet
> > - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and
> > now have
> a
> > stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
> >
> > I'll let you know!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > did it work?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > cheers
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with 
> > > a .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable.
> > > Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Roz:
> > > >
> > > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > > >
> > > > Do you have another email address that might let these go 
> > > > through?
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector" 
> > > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > > unreadable.
> > > Find
> > > > Files db
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company 
> > > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > > >
> > > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue May 20 13:03:32 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 11:03:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Virus
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F9B@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Does *any* support domain send out unsolicited emails?  Certainly none
I've ever dealt with, although I think the Dell "active support", or
whatever they call it, comes perilously close.  Besides, MS always sends
stuff with all flags flying, never just generic, vanilla email.  That in
itself is a tipoff.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus


Anybody at least half-awake knows that only M$ Marketing sends out
unsolicited e-mails.  M$ Support never does.  Some people should not go
near their e-mail until they are sober, wide awake and have their brain
turned on. <grin>  For some, that means they never should try to read
their e-mail. <VBG>

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us


-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: Tuesday 2003 May 20 11:12
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus


That's pretty much the approach I take too, although I sometimes look at
the header just for amusement.  It's kind of amusing to see
"support at microsoft.com" when the rest of the header is a mismash of
prodigy and other domains with no-name addresses.  Yeah, sure, Microsoft
sent it.  Right.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Williamson [mailto:kwilliam at ashlandnet.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus


I got it too...but knew better than to open it.  ;)  It could be from
GOD...I don't open anything unless I know what it is, first.

Keith E. Williamson
Ashland Equipment, Inc
phone # (410) 273-1856
fax #     (410) 273-1859

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
PBudge at cbsol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 11:43 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus


Ok.  I've only had it here and other than a few internal emails, I only
really get the list on this address.  So when everybody started saying
they'd been getting it too, it seemed possible.

Thanks

Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue May 20 13:05:12 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 11:05:12 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Revert command
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F9C@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Maybe they meant all "current" versions! <VBG> There definitely was no
such critter before A2k.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:25 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Revert command


I checked A97 in design mode after making changes.  I don't see it
there.  I checked View | Toolbars | Customize to see if it was hidden
away somewhere but I don't see it there either.  A search of Help turns
up nothing as well.  I believe their tip was mistaken.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Revert command


Jim,

In A2K it only show up when a  form is in design mode. It's greyed out
until you actually make a change to the form, then it becomes available.

I don't have A97 here to check.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

>>> Jdemarco at hshhp.org 20-May-03 1:01:59 PM >>>
Did anyone else get an Access tip from ElementK today re: Restoring the
last saved version of a form or report?  The tip claims there's a
command in the File menu (File | Revert) that's available in all
versions of Access.  I don't see it in A97.  Am I missing something or
was this added in >=A2K?

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Tue May 20 13:11:43 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 14:11:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Revert command
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85C22@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

<quote>
Even if you're using an older version of Access, there is 
a way to undo all changes...
</quote>

Their words exactly (exactly incorrect that is!)

Jim DeMarco



-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 2:05 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Revert command


Maybe they meant all "current" versions! <VBG> There definitely was no
such critter before A2k.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:25 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Revert command


I checked A97 in design mode after making changes.  I don't see it
there.  I checked View | Toolbars | Customize to see if it was hidden
away somewhere but I don't see it there either.  A search of Help turns
up nothing as well.  I believe their tip was mistaken.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Revert command


Jim,

In A2K it only show up when a  form is in design mode. It's greyed out
until you actually make a change to the form, then it becomes available.

I don't have A97 here to check.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

>>> Jdemarco at hshhp.org 20-May-03 1:01:59 PM >>>
Did anyone else get an Access tip from ElementK today re: Restoring the
last saved version of a form or report?  The tip claims there's a
command in the File menu (File | Revert) that's available in all
versions of Access.  I don't see it in A97.  Am I missing something or
was this added in >=A2K?

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


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From jjwrite at earthlink.net  Tue May 20 13:18:57 2003
From: jjwrite at earthlink.net (Judy Johnson)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 14:18:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Delete Record Problem
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue May 20 13:25:58 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 11:25:58 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Delete Record Problem
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F9F@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Since I don't know what else the code was trying to do, I won't guess,
but if you delete a record, unless it's the last record, does it matter
which one you wind up on?  Have you tried just commenting out that line?
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Judy Johnson [mailto:jjwrite at earthlink.net] 
	Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:19 AM
	To: AccessD
	Subject: [AccessD] Delete Record Problem
	
	

	
	Charlotte - I added your code as you explained and set the focus
to one of my data entry fields on the form and it deleted great. The
next instruction in the delete routine was DoCmd GoTo Record,,acnext
However!! now I get No Current Record error, no matter what I attempt to
do. I can't move to another record on my form. I've even closed Access
and opened it up again but to no avail.
	 
	Thanks.
	 
	Judy Johnson
	jjwrite at earthlink.net
	860-482-8651
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue May 20 13:26:52 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 11:26:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C337@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <016401c31efd$629b2600$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Just got an email from another list member to whom I sent a copy and he
reports that it works straight up.  Don't know what Access version or OS
he's using.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 11:00 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


> I'm running OXP and I don't even find the Extensibility in my list of
> references, but it shouldn't make any difference.  How annoying,
> especially since I know I've used this in the past with A2k.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:52 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
> I've got a couple of references checked which you may not have although
> it should fail to compile without them?
>
> Windows Script Host Object Model
> VBA Extensibility 5.3
> OLE Automation
> Office 9.0 Object Library
> DAO 3.6 Object Library
> Access 9.0 Object Library
> VB for A
>
> Is varPicturePath returning the right value?
>
> It's also set up to retrieve only files with .jpg extension.
>
>     .FileName = "*.jpg"
>
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:47 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
> > That's interesting, Roz.  I just pulled your code out, changed the
> > path to point to a folder on my machine with mdbs in it, and got a
> > zero for the FoundFiles count.  And I had the same problem with
> > Rocky's sample database.  It has to be a setting that is causing the
> > failures some of us are experiencing.  Now, if we could just figure
> > out what it is ... :o{
> >
> > Rocky, any suggestions?
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:27 AM
> > To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
> >
> >
> >
> > Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but
> > Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:
> >
> >   Dim varItem As Variant
> >   With Application.FileSearch
> >     .NewSearch
> >     .SearchSubFolders = True
> >     .FileName = "*.mdb"
> >     .LookIn = "G:\"
> >     .Execute
> >     'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
> >     DoCmd.SetWarnings False
> >     For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
> >         strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" &
> > varItem & "' )"
> >         'Debug.Print strSQL
> >         DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
> >     Next varItem
> >   End With
> >
> > This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any
> > date info. But that's fine, I can live with that.
> >
> > What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it
> > (yes, I know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise)
> > but the .FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have
> > looked in any sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of
> > whacky behaviour you guys have experienced?!
> >
> > Roz
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > Was curious about the code.  Standing by...
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > The email or the code?
> > >
> > > I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out
> > > yet
> > > - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and
> > > now have
> > a
> > > stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
> > >
> > > I'll let you know!
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > did it work?
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> > > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > cheers
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with
> > > > a .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > > > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > unreadable.
> > > > Find Files db
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Roz:
> > > > >
> > > > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you have another email address that might let these go
> > > > > through?
> > > > >
> > > > > Rocky
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector"
> > > > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > > > unreadable.
> > > > Find
> > > > > Files db
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company
> > > > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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From Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK  Tue May 20 13:36:23 2003
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK (Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 19:36:23 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT Test
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F9F@infoserver01.infostat.local>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F9F@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <1053455782.3eca75a703117@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

Its 8pm

From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Tue May 20 13:54:42 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 13:54:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Revert command
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F87827@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Jim,

Of course they are correct.  You always have a daily or hourly backup
copy of whatever you are working on so you can go back to where you were
yesterday or last hour! <grin>

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org] 
Sent: Tuesday 2003 May 20 13:12
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Revert command

<quote>
Even if you're using an older version of Access, there is 
a way to undo all changes...
</quote>

Their words exactly (exactly incorrect that is!)

Jim DeMarco



-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 2:05 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Revert command


Maybe they meant all "current" versions! <VBG> There definitely was no
such critter before A2k.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:25 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Revert command


I checked A97 in design mode after making changes.  I don't see it
there.  I checked View | Toolbars | Customize to see if it was hidden
away somewhere but I don't see it there either.  A search of Help turns
up nothing as well.  I believe their tip was mistaken.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Revert command


Jim,

In A2K it only show up when a  form is in design mode. It's greyed out
until you actually make a change to the form, then it becomes available.

I don't have A97 here to check.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

>>> Jdemarco at hshhp.org 20-May-03 1:01:59 PM >>>
Did anyone else get an Access tip from ElementK today re: Restoring the
last saved version of a form or report?  The tip claims there's a
command in the File menu (File | Revert) that's available in all
versions of Access.  I don't see it in A97.  Am I missing something or
was this added in >=A2K?

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan

From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue May 20 13:54:25 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 19:54:25 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT Test
In-Reply-To: <1053455782.3eca75a703117@hosea.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <018301c31f01$3c069ac0$b274d0d5@andypc>

Well almost.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mwp.Reid at queens-belfast.ac.uk
> Sent: 20 May 2003 19:36
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT Test
> 
> 
> Its 8pm
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue May 20 13:59:08 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 13:59:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
In-Reply-To: <008601c31ee6$a58f7720$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <000201c31f01$e7a93400$de1811d8@DanWaters>

For a control, I also use .OldValue in the AfterUpdate event and it works as
expected.  However, if the record is saved, the .OldValue becomes equal to
the current value.  This is on a bound form, perhaps that makes a
difference.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:44 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate


Interesting. I just did experiments and don't see how your stuff can work.
In AfterUpdate, I get OldValue = Value, invariably, and I've done about 20
tests. I'm using debug.print to dump the values and in BeforeUpdate they
differ but in AfterUpdate they never differ.

A.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Whittinghill
Sent: May 20, 2003 12:12 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate


That's interesting, because I use OldValue with AfterUpdate all the time,
and it works just fine.


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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue May 20 13:58:41 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 19:58:41 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Revert command
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85C22@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <018501c31f01$d5c39960$b274d0d5@andypc>

Yea well undoing all changes is easy. It's called not saving. :-(

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: 20 May 2003 19:12
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Revert command
> 
> 
> <quote>
> Even if you're using an older version of Access, there is 
> a way to undo all changes...
> </quote>
> 
> Their words exactly (exactly incorrect that is!)
> 
> Jim DeMarco
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 2:05 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Revert command
> 
> 
> Maybe they meant all "current" versions! <VBG> There 
> definitely was no such critter before A2k.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org] 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:25 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Revert command
> 
> 
> I checked A97 in design mode after making changes.  I don't 
> see it there.  I checked View | Toolbars | Customize to see 
> if it was hidden away somewhere but I don't see it there 
> either.  A search of Help turns up nothing as well.  I 
> believe their tip was mistaken.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jim DeMarco
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:10 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Revert command
> 
> 
> Jim,
> 
> In A2K it only show up when a  form is in design mode. It's 
> greyed out until you actually make a change to the form, then 
> it becomes available.
> 
> I don't have A97 here to check.
> 
> Bryan Carbonnell
> bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca
> 
> >>> Jdemarco at hshhp.org 20-May-03 1:01:59 PM >>>
> Did anyone else get an Access tip from ElementK today re: 
> Restoring the last saved version of a form or report?  The 
> tip claims there's a command in the File menu (File | Revert) 
> that's available in all versions of Access.  I don't see it 
> in A97.  Am I missing something or was this added in >=A2K?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jim DeMarco
> Director of Product Development
> HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan
> 
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue May 20 14:03:28 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 20:03:28 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
In-Reply-To: <000201c31f01$e7a93400$de1811d8@DanWaters>
Message-ID: <018701c31f02$7f692a20$b274d0d5@andypc>

IIRC Oldvalue only works at all on bound controls.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
> Sent: 20 May 2003 19:59
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
> 
> 
> For a control, I also use .OldValue in the AfterUpdate event 
> and it works as expected.  However, if the record is saved, 
> the .OldValue becomes equal to the current value.  This is on 
> a bound form, perhaps that makes a difference.
> 
> Dan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:44 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
> 
> 
> Interesting. I just did experiments and don't see how your 
> stuff can work. In AfterUpdate, I get OldValue = Value, 
> invariably, and I've done about 20 tests. I'm using 
> debug.print to dump the values and in BeforeUpdate they 
> differ but in AfterUpdate they never differ.
> 
> A.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mark Whittinghill
> Sent: May 20, 2003 12:12 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
> 
> 
> That's interesting, because I use OldValue with AfterUpdate 
> all the time, and it works just fine.
> 
> 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue May 20 14:10:01 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 14:10:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C67@main2.marlow.com>

What kind of 'interface' are you looking for?
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:53 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples



Hi all 

Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a discussion about interface
design, and someone was hosting a gallery of different interfaces that had
been done with Access?

Does anybody know if it's still there, where it was, and whether there are
any other good resources out there? 

TIA 

Roz 

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From Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK  Tue May 20 14:08:36 2003
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK (Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 20:08:36 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT Test
In-Reply-To: <018301c31f01$3c069ac0$b274d0d5@andypc>
References: <018301c31f01$3c069ac0$b274d0d5@andypc>
Message-ID: <1053457716.3eca7d34ab9bc@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

Still havnt seen my post Andy

Martin




Quoting Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>:

> Well almost.
> 
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> > Mwp.Reid at queens-belfast.ac.uk
> > Sent: 20 May 2003 19:36
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT Test
> > 
> > 
> > Its 8pm
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue May 20 14:26:33 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 20:26:33 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT Test
In-Reply-To: <1053457716.3eca7d34ab9bc@hosea.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <018f01c31f05$b9435100$b274d0d5@andypc>

As you'll have guessed, I have. And yet you've seen mine so I imagine
it's just a timing thing.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mwp.Reid at queens-belfast.ac.uk
> Sent: 20 May 2003 20:09
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT Test
> 
> 
> Still havnt seen my post Andy
> 
> Martin
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Quoting Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>:
> 
> > Well almost.
> > 
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> > > Mwp.Reid at queens-belfast.ac.uk
> > > Sent: 20 May 2003 19:36
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: [AccessD] OT Test
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Its 8pm
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > 
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> 


From delliker at hotmail.com  Tue May 20 14:29:44 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 15:29:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SelHeight returns zero?
Message-ID: <Law12-F277vS2q2R1n500002be7@hotmail.com>

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From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca  Tue May 20 14:34:34 2003
From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 15:34:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT Test
Message-ID: <seca4b0e.013@cbc.ca>

Do you see ANY of your posts?

If not, it may be a setting in your subscription that has changed.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

>>> Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK 20-May-03 3:08:36 PM >>>
Still havnt seen my post Andy

Martin




From Philippe.Pons19 at wanadoo.fr  Tue May 20 14:44:50 2003
From: Philippe.Pons19 at wanadoo.fr (Philippe PONS)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 21:44:50 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] TreeView: How to preserve the focus on selected node?
Message-ID: <001501c31f08$47786da0$ac3e3351@linceo2nddisk>

Hi,

I use the TreeView control quite extensively, but the one used by the Windows Explorer has a feature that Access TreeView has not.
When you select a folder, it gets highlighted, and even if you select a file, it remains highlighted.(or semi highlighted)
With the Access treeview, has soon as you select a different control, e.g a text zone, it looses the focus.
Do you know of any trick or workaround that could provide the same effect?
TIA,
Philippe.
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From ad_tp at hotmail.com  Tue May 20 15:10:01 2003
From: ad_tp at hotmail.com (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 01:40:01 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C337@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <Law9-OE49bYkUlIBZyZ00014704@hotmail.com>

    I have tried Rocky's application(FS_A) as well as John's code(FS_B). Both are working fine.

    FS_A is a sweet finished application with built in Folder browsing whereas this feature can be suitably added to FS_B.

    On the other hand, FS_B gets much more information about the files and also covers subfolders.

    Note - It has to be ensured that following References are available amongst others -
    (a) Microsoft Scripting Runtime
    (b) Microsoft Office 10 (Or 9) Object Library

    Thanks to you both - John , Rocky.

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Charlotte Foust 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 23:30
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


  I'm running OXP and I don't even find the Extensibility in my list of
  references, but it shouldn't make any difference.  How annoying,
  especially since I know I've used this in the past with A2k.

  Charlotte Foust

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:52 AM
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


  I've got a couple of references checked which you may not have although
  it should fail to compile without them?

  Windows Script Host Object Model
  VBA Extensibility 5.3
  OLE Automation
  Office 9.0 Object Library
  DAO 3.6 Object Library
  Access 9.0 Object Library
  VB for A

  Is varPicturePath returning the right value?

  It's also set up to retrieve only files with .jpg extension.

      .FileName = "*.jpg"


  Rocky

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
  To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:47 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


  > That's interesting, Roz.  I just pulled your code out, changed the 
  > path to point to a folder on my machine with mdbs in it, and got a 
  > zero for the FoundFiles count.  And I had the same problem with 
  > Rocky's sample database.  It has to be a setting that is causing the 
  > failures some of us are experiencing.  Now, if we could just figure 
  > out what it is ... :o{
  >
  > Rocky, any suggestions?
  >
  > Charlotte Foust
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
  > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:27 AM
  > To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
  > Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
  >
  >
  >
  > Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but 
  > Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:
  >
  >   Dim varItem As Variant
  >   With Application.FileSearch
  >     .NewSearch
  >     .SearchSubFolders = True
  >     .FileName = "*.mdb"
  >     .LookIn = "G:\"
  >     .Execute
  >     'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
  >     DoCmd.SetWarnings False
  >     For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
  >         strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & 
  > varItem & "' )"
  >         'Debug.Print strSQL
  >         DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
  >     Next varItem
  >   End With
  >
  > This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any 
  > date info. But that's fine, I can live with that.
  >
  > What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it 
  > (yes, I know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) 
  > but the .FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have 
  > looked in any sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of 
  > whacky behaviour you guys have experienced?!
  >
  > Roz
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
  > Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
  > To: Roz Clarke
  > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
  > unreadable. Find Files db
  >
  >
  > Was curious about the code.  Standing by...
  >
  > Rocky
  >
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
  > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
  > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
  > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
  > unreadable. Find Files db
  >
  >
  > > The email or the code?
  > >
  > > I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out 
  > > yet
  > > - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and
  > > now have
  > a
  > > stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
  > >
  > > I'll let you know!
  > >
  > > -----Original Message-----
  > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
  > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
  > > Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
  > > To: Roz Clarke
  > > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
  > > unreadable. Find Files db
  > >
  > >
  > > did it work?
  > >
  > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
  > > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
  > > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
  > > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
  > > unreadable. Find Files db
  > >
  > >
  > > > cheers
  > > >
  > > > -----Original Message-----
  > > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
  > > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
  > > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
  > > > To: Roz Clarke
  > > > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
  > > > unreadable. Find Files db
  > > >
  > > >
  > > > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with 
  > > > a .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
  > > >
  > > > Rocky
  > > >
  > > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
  > > > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
  > > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
  > > > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
  > unreadable.
  > > > Find Files db
  > > >
  > > >
  > > > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
  > > > >
  > > > >
  > > > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
  > > > >
  > > > > -----Original Message-----
  > > > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
  > > > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
  > > > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
  > > > > To: Roz Clarke
  > > > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
  > > > > unreadable. Find Files db
  > > > >
  > > > >
  > > > > Roz:
  > > > >
  > > > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
  > > > >
  > > > > Do you have another email address that might let these go 
  > > > > through?
  > > > >
  > > > > Rocky
  > > > >
  > > > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector" 
  > > > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
  > > > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
  > > > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
  > > > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
  > > > > unreadable.
  > > > Find
  > > > > Files db
  > > > >
  > > > >
  > > > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company 
  > > > > > electronic communications policy.
  > > > > >
  > > > > >
  > > > > >
  > > > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
  > > > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
  > > > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
  > > > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
  > > > > >
  > > > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue May 20 15:17:12 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 13:17:12 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FA2@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Nope.  On my machine with a reference set to both scrrun.dll and the
Office 10 object library, it doesn't work.
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: A.D.Tejpal [mailto:ad_tp at hotmail.com] 
	Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 12:10 PM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: Re: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
	
	
	    I have tried Rocky's application(FS_A) as well as John's
code(FS_B). Both are working fine. 
	 
	    FS_A is a sweet finished application with built in Folder
browsing whereas this feature can be suitably added to FS_B.
	 
	    On the other hand, FS_B gets much more information about the
files and also covers subfolders.
	 
	    Note - It has to be ensured that following References are
available amongst others -
	    (a) Microsoft Scripting Runtime
	    (b) Microsoft Office 10 (Or 9) Object Library
	 
	    Thanks to you both - John , Rocky.
	 
	Regards,
	A.D.Tejpal
	--------------

		----- Original Message ----- 
		From: Charlotte Foust
<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com>  
		To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
		Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 23:30
		Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames

		I'm running OXP and I don't even find the Extensibility
in my list of
		references, but it shouldn't make any difference.  How
annoying,
		especially since I know I've used this in the past with
A2k.
		
		Charlotte Foust
		
		-----Original Message-----
		From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
[mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
		Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:52 AM
		To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
		Subject: Re: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
		
		
		I've got a couple of references checked which you may
not have although
		it should fail to compile without them?
		
		Windows Script Host Object Model
		VBA Extensibility 5.3
		OLE Automation
		Office 9.0 Object Library
		DAO 3.6 Object Library
		Access 9.0 Object Library
		VB for A
		
		Is varPicturePath returning the right value?
		
		It's also set up to retrieve only files with .jpg
extension.
		
		    .FileName = "*.jpg"
		
		
		Rocky
		
		----- Original Message ----- 
		From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
		To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
		Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:47 AM
		Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
		
		
		> That's interesting, Roz.  I just pulled your code out,
changed the 
		> path to point to a folder on my machine with mdbs in
it, and got a 
		> zero for the FoundFiles count.  And I had the same
problem with 
		> Rocky's sample database.  It has to be a setting that
is causing the 
		> failures some of us are experiencing.  Now, if we
could just figure 
		> out what it is ... :o{
		>
		> Rocky, any suggestions?
		>
		> Charlotte Foust
		>
		> -----Original Message-----
		> From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
		> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:27 AM
		> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
		> Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
		>
		>
		>
		> Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed
by Rocky's, but 
		> Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that
looks like this:
		>
		>   Dim varItem As Variant
		>   With Application.FileSearch
		>     .NewSearch
		>     .SearchSubFolders = True
		>     .FileName = "*.mdb"
		>     .LookIn = "G:\"
		>     .Execute
		>     'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
		>     DoCmd.SetWarnings False
		>     For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
		>         strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo)
VALUES ( '" & 
		> varItem & "' )"
		>         'Debug.Print strSQL
		>         DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
		>     Next varItem
		>   End With
		>
		> This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the
file size or any 
		> date info. But that's fine, I can live with that.
		>
		> What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280
.mdb files on it 
		> (yes, I know that's ridiculous, which is the point of
the exercise) 
		> but the .FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't
seem to have 
		> looked in any sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this
the sort of 
		> whacky behaviour you guys have experienced?!
		>
		> Roz
		>
		> -----Original Message-----
		> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
[mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
		> Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
		> To: Roz Clarke
		> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was
corrupt of 
		> unreadable. Find Files db
		>
		>
		> Was curious about the code.  Standing by...
		>
		> Rocky
		>
		> ----- Original Message -----
		> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
		> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'"
<bchacc at san.rr.com>
		> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
		> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was
corrupt of
		> unreadable. Find Files db
		>
		>
		> > The email or the code?
		> >
		> > I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try
the code out 
		> > yet
		> > - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data
conversion and
		> > now have
		> a
		> > stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
		> >
		> > I'll let you know!
		> >
		> > -----Original Message-----
		> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
		> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
		> > Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
		> > To: Roz Clarke
		> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was
corrupt of
		> > unreadable. Find Files db
		> >
		> >
		> > did it work?
		> >
		> > ----- Original Message -----
		> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
		> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'"
<bchacc at san.rr.com>
		> > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
		> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was
corrupt of 
		> > unreadable. Find Files db
		> >
		> >
		> > > cheers
		> > >
		> > > -----Original Message-----
		> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
		> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
		> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
		> > > To: Roz Clarke
		> > > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk
was corrupt of 
		> > > unreadable. Find Files db
		> > >
		> > >
		> > > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only
grabbing files with 
		> > > a .jpg extension.  But you can change that to
whatever you want.
		> > >
		> > > Rocky
		> > >
		> > > ----- Original Message -----
		> > > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
		> > > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'"
<bchacc at san.rr.com>
		> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
		> > > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk
was corrupt of
		> unreadable.
		> > > Find Files db
		> > >
		> > >
		> > > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap
our notwork guys
		> > > >
		> > > >
		> > > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
		> > > >
		> > > > -----Original Message-----
		> > > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
		> > > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
		> > > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
		> > > > To: Roz Clarke
		> > > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk
was corrupt of 
		> > > > unreadable. Find Files db
		> > > >
		> > > >
		> > > > Roz:
		> > > >
		> > > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP
attachments.  :(
		> > > >
		> > > > Do you have another email address that might let
these go 
		> > > > through?
		> > > >
		> > > > Rocky
		> > > >
		> > > > ----- Original Message -----
		> > > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector" 
		> > > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
		> > > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
		> > > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
		> > > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was
corrupt of 
		> > > > unreadable.
		> > > Find
		> > > > Files db
		> > > >
		> > > >
		> > > > > The message you sent does not conform with our
company 
		> > > > > electronic communications policy.
		> > > > >
		> > > > >
		> > > > >
		> > > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
		> > > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
		> > > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
		> > > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
		> > > > >
		> > > > > The message was redirected for later
inspection.
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Tue May 20 15:29:34 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 13:29:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
In-Reply-To: <002c01c31ed0$0496ac00$9900a8c0@bbb888>
Message-ID: <20030520202934.29258.qmail@web13402.mail.yahoo.com>

My definition of "properly locked down" is that *NO*
machine that is not explicitly authorized, notice I
said machine, does not have access to the LAN.  Your
authorized account can be compromised.  It is very
difficult to compromise machine specific security. 
Pretty much all WiFi devices have the capabilities to
do this.  The security is based on the MAC address of
the network card.  Unless you know the MAC address of
an authorized machine AND that machine is not turned
on, it is very difficult to spoof that you are that
machine.

--- Bruce Bruen <bbruen at bigpond.com> wrote:
> Frank,
> 
> The school security is pretty good. Its just that we
> live so close that
> we can use their LAN via a proper authorised account
> as if he were in
> the schoolyard.  I was just having my POV that
> wireless "aint all its
> cracked up to be".
> 
> Bruce
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> III
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:30 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> lines
> 
> 
> You just agreed with what I said.  EXCEPT for one
> thing.
> 
> If properly locked down, nobody else can access your
> WiFi router.  It sounds like your son's school has
> their wide open.  Unfortunately this is normally the
> case.
> 
> You can TECHNICALLY have as many connections to a
> WiFi
> router as you'd like.  I never said you couldn't.  I
> said that they RECOMMENDED not having more than ten.
> 
> For the very reason you state.  Because, depending
> on
> the amount of data passing through the connections,
> the bandwidth gets useless VERY quickly.
> 
> Regardless, it sounds like your son's school needs
> to
> hire a computer security consultant.  For several
> reasons, pretty much all stemming from the unsecured
> WiFi routers.  Aside from the bandwidth issues,
> anyone accessing the
> school's network by using the router, pretty much
> has the same access as
> ANYONE else on the LAN.  Which means, unless the
> classroom is seperated
> from the campus LAN, not likely it sounds like it,
> an intruder has
> "trusted" access to the INTERNAL campus LAN.  It is
> relatively trivial
> once "inside" like this, to gain access to
> proprietary and/or
> confidential data, including any locally stored
> school records.  Which
> could include student names, addresses, telephone
> numbers, etc.  Most
> people aren't aware of the fact that this
> information is protected by
> law and violation of this law is subject to criminal
> and civil
> penalties.  Your son's school is opening themselves
> up to a WHOLE big
> legal mess, not to mention a scary situation with
> the "world" having
> access to this condifential data.
> 
> I *HIGHLY* recommend that you, or one of the other
> parents, contact them about this.  If they won't do
> anything, I'd suggest contacting the school board of
> this district.  As a parent, I wouldn't want my
> children's contact information OR scolastic
> information available to pretty much anyone that
> drives by the school with a laptop computer.
> 
> It's a proven fact that most networks have LESS
> internal security than they do from the outside
> world.
>  Meaning that most entities build a nice big
> fortress
> to keep the outwide world out, but once you're
> INSIDE
> the fortress, they left all of the doors unlocked. 
> So
> anyone getting into their fortress via this WiFi
> connection, has access to the inside of the fortress
> and all of it's unlocked doors.
> 
> --- Bruce Bruen <bbruen at bigpond.com> wrote:
> > Re: not more than 10
> > 
> > At my son's school they are using wireless routers
> > with much much more
> > that 10 connects.  We reckon up to 60 active
> > sessions at a time - AND up
> > to more than 200 connect attempts per router at
> the
> > beginning of lesson.
> > 
> > Result - performance during the times that the
> kids
> > try to log in =
> > absolutely useless!  Some can take up to 20
> minutes
> > of a lesson to get a
> > clean session negotiated - thus wasting most of
> the
> > students and
> > teachers available time.  I estimate that the
> > negotiated connects never
> > get any higher than 10mbps based on the experience
> > of my wife who
> > teaches there and says that the school network
> speed
> > is less than out
> > p2p 10 at home.
> > 
> > At my daughters school they use mini 5 port hubs
> in
> > the kids "work
> > stations" ( 4 desks screwed together) and a cabled
> > hub per classroom (
> > or at least 1 per pair of rooms)  Result - 10/100
> > connections in the
> > same time it takes them to plug in their blue
> worms!
> >  For 1200 kids,
> > connecting up to 6 times per day.
> > 
> > OTOH - as we live 300m by road from my son's
> school
> > and probably <100m
> > as the crow flies it does give him access to the
> > school (and the net)
> > without costing me a phone line!  But is this a
> good
> > thing - I think
> > not!  (who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of
> > pubescent web
> > surfers!)
> > 
> > So I suppose it depends on what you need to do
> with
> > wireless.  If you
> > want it so you can cart the laptop out to the
> > doghouse when you are
> > accused of ignoring your better half for a great
> > AccessD debate session,
> > then I suppose its great. But I reckon $15 worth
> of
> > cat5 + a weekend of
> > blue language and a couple of beers is a lot
> better.
> > 
> > JM20CW
> > 
> > Bruce
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> > Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> > III
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 12:20 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> > lines
> > 
> > 
> > Yes, you can.  In fact I am considering this
> myself,
> > so that I can have network access in my back yard
> > and
> > driveway areas.  Yes, I'm a geek at home
> too...ROFL
> > 
> > Cabling can get very expensive, unless you can do
> it yourself.  It's 
> > not so much the cable that's expensive.  It's the
> labor.  It's a b*tch
> 
> > to snake that cable throgh the rafters of the
> house and then
> > down the inside walls.  Especially if your inside
> > walls are insulated too, which most are anymore.
> > 
> > I was talking with one of the engineers at DLink,
> > and
> > they recomment not using more that ten wireless
> > devices per wireless router.  That's one of the
> > reasons I could never fully network my house via
> > wireless.  I have too many network devices and
> will
> > be
> > adding more as I automate my home via computer.
> > 
> > --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> 
=== message truncated ===


From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue May 20 15:38:50 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 15:38:50 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
In-Reply-To: <9432099767.20030514175345@cactus.dk>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F54@infoserver01.infostat.local>
	<9432099767.20030514175345@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <60349.199.67.140.20.1053463130.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>

Hey Group

I have a query, one of the columns contains several groups of records -
Associates1 and Associates2. I need for both of them to be Associates. Is
there a faster way of doing this then using update query ? (this has to be
done every day, and I just for everything to be performed in one query)

Oleg


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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue May 20 15:58:26 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 13:58:26 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
References:  <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569E4@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3ECA96F2.7030707@shaw.ca>

Oh if it hits some of the hidden directories on winXP like "System 
Volume Information" it can hang
or do odd things, should throw an error 70.
 I have a similar program that does it via Dir calls rather than FileSys 
object that I wrote about 5 years ago I use to search for duplicate mdbs 
or .urls and stick in a table.. I would offer it but it uses goto's to 
backup trees rather than use recursion. Hangs head in shame. But if you 
would like to try it?

Roz Clarke wrote:

>Well I'm running Office XP on WXP w/ Service Pack 1.
>
>I can't think of any specific settings which would lead to the exclusion of
>the particular databases I'm missing :(
>
>Roz
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
>Sent: 20 May 2003 16:48
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
>That's interesting, Roz.  I just pulled your code out, changed the path to
>point to a folder on my machine with mdbs in it, and got a zero for the
>FoundFiles count.  And I had the same problem with Rocky's sample database.
>It has to be a setting that is causing the failures some of us are
>experiencing.  Now, if we could just figure out what it is ... :o{
>
>Rocky, any suggestions?
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
>Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:27 AM
>To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
>Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
>
>Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but
>Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:
>
>  Dim varItem As Variant
>  With Application.FileSearch
>    .NewSearch
>    .SearchSubFolders = True
>    .FileName = "*.mdb"
>    .LookIn = "G:\"
>    .Execute
>    'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
>    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
>    For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
>        strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & varItem & "'
>)"
>        'Debug.Print strSQL
>        DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
>    Next varItem
>  End With
>
>This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any date
>info. But that's fine, I can live with that.
>
>What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it (yes, I
>know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but the
>.FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked in any
>sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky behaviour you
>guys have experienced?!
>
>Roz
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
>Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
>To: Roz Clarke
>Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
>Find Files db
>
>
>Was curious about the code.  Standing by...
>
>Rocky
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
>To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
>Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
>Find Files db
>
>
>  
>
>>The email or the code?
>>
>>I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out yet
>>- spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and 
>>now have
>>    
>>
>a
>  
>
>>stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
>>
>>I'll let you know!
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
>>Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
>>To: Roz Clarke
>>Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
>>unreadable. Find Files db
>>
>>
>>did it work?
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
>>To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
>>Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
>>Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
>>unreadable. Find Files db
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>cheers
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
>>>[mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
>>>Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
>>>To: Roz Clarke
>>>Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
>>>unreadable. Find Files db
>>>
>>>
>>>Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with a
>>>.jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
>>>
>>>Rocky
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
>>>To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
>>>Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
>>>Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
>>>      
>>>
>unreadable.
>  
>
>>>Find Files db
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Try zora_db at yahoo.com
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
>>>>[mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
>>>>Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
>>>>To: Roz Clarke
>>>>Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
>>>>unreadable. Find Files db
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Roz:
>>>>
>>>>Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
>>>>
>>>>Do you have another email address that might let these go through?
>>>>
>>>>Rocky
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector"
>>>><ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
>>>>To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
>>>>Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
>>>>Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
>>>>unreadable.
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>Find
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Files db
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>The message you sent does not conform with our company
>>>>>electronic communications policy.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
>>>>>It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
>>>>>and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
>>>>>From IP: 66.75.160.17
>>>>>
>>>>>The message was redirected for later inspection.
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>    
>>
>
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue May 20 16:18:25 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 17:18:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF40389780C@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

I use the Tag property for multiple purposes, and use a simple ";"
(semicolon) delimiter. Then I can  pick out the 'fields' in Tag to see if
the one I'm interested in is present - usually I just use Instr() for the
purpose.

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Charlotte Foust [SMTP:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:41 AM
> To:	accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
> 
> I often use the Tag property for that purpose instead of a variable ...
> Except when I'm using Tag for something else, of course. <g>
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 5:40 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
> 
> 
> OldValue is set to Value when the data stores, thus by AfterUpdate the
> OldValue data has indeed been lost.  Use BeforeUpdate to store the value
> to a variable, then compare to that variable in AfterUpdate.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:29 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
> 
> 
> >From my experiments, it appears that MyControl.OldValue is available 
> >for
> scrutiny only in the BeforeUpdate event. In the AfterUpdate event it
> seems to be lost. I just wanted to confirm this hypothesis.
> 
> The point of the exercise is that I need to keep track of which columns
> a user has changed and then take action accordingly. I have to update
> some columns in another table depending on which columns changed in the
> current table, but only if the update to the current table was
> successul. I don't actually care about the old value, I'm just using it
> to determine which columns changed. But by the time I get to AfterUpdate
> I've lost the information.
> 
> Any suggestions as to how to work around this?
> 
> TIA,
> Arthur
> 
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue May 20 16:20:30 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 17:20:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF40389780D@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

>From the (Access 97) Help file...

"Remarks

Microsoft Access uses the OldValue property to store the original value of a
bound control. When you edit a bound control on a form, your changes aren't
saved until you move to another record. The OldValue property contains the
unedited version of the underlying data."

So it's the act of moving away from the record, not the saving of it, that
wipes out OldValue.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Mark Whittinghill [SMTP:mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, May 20, 2003 12:12 PM
> To:	accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject:	Re: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
> 
> That's interesting, because I use OldValue with AfterUpdate all the time,
> and it works just fine.
> 
> Mark Whittinghill
> Symphony Information Services
> 612-333-1311
> mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:39 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
> 
> 
> > OldValue is set to Value when the data stores, thus by AfterUpdate the
> > OldValue data has indeed been lost.  Use BeforeUpdate to store the value
> to
> > a variable, then compare to that variable in AfterUpdate.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:29 AM
> > To: AccessD
> > Subject: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
> >
> >
> > >From my experiments, it appears that MyControl.OldValue is available
> for
> > scrutiny only in the BeforeUpdate event. In the AfterUpdate event it
> seems
> > to be lost. I just wanted to confirm this hypothesis.
> >
> > The point of the exercise is that I need to keep track of which columns
> a
> > user has changed and then take action accordingly. I have to update some
> > columns in another table depending on which columns changed in the
> current
> > table, but only if the update to the current table was successul. I
> don't
> > actually care about the old value, I'm just using it to determine which
> > columns changed. But by the time I get to AfterUpdate I've lost the
> > information.
> >
> > Any suggestions as to how to work around this?
> >
> > TIA,
> > Arthur
> >
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue May 20 16:24:39 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 17:24:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
In-Reply-To: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF40389780C@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGECBDNAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

After learning about collections, I tend to set up a collection, use the
control name as the key and the control value (or oldvalue in this case) as
the data.  This allows me to "index in" to the collection later using the
control name to look up whatever I stored in the collection.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Heenan,
Lambert
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 5:18 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Cc: 'cfoust at infostatsystems.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate


I use the Tag property for multiple purposes, and use a simple ";"
(semicolon) delimiter. Then I can  pick out the 'fields' in Tag to see if
the one I'm interested in is present - usually I just use Instr() for the
purpose.

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Charlotte Foust [SMTP:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:41 AM
> To:	accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
>
> I often use the Tag property for that purpose instead of a variable ...
> Except when I'm using Tag for something else, of course. <g>
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 5:40 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
>
>
> OldValue is set to Value when the data stores, thus by AfterUpdate the
> OldValue data has indeed been lost.  Use BeforeUpdate to store the value
> to a variable, then compare to that variable in AfterUpdate.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:29 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
>
>
> >From my experiments, it appears that MyControl.OldValue is available
> >for
> scrutiny only in the BeforeUpdate event. In the AfterUpdate event it
> seems to be lost. I just wanted to confirm this hypothesis.
>
> The point of the exercise is that I need to keep track of which columns
> a user has changed and then take action accordingly. I have to update
> some columns in another table depending on which columns changed in the
> current table, but only if the update to the current table was
> successul. I don't actually care about the old value, I'm just using it
> to determine which columns changed. But by the time I get to AfterUpdate
> I've lost the information.
>
> Any suggestions as to how to work around this?
>
> TIA,
> Arthur
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
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>
>
>
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From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Tue May 20 19:17:12 2003
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 12:17:12 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F29038AC3@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>

Second that Charlotte.  Published by Apress.  ISBN 1-893115-94-1 (pbk.)
 
Stephen Bond

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 21 May 2003 2:57 a.m.
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


There's also a great book out call User Interface Design for Programmers, by Joel Spolsky, that discusses Windows interface design in general, complete with examples of what to avoid.
 
Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 


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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Tue May 20 20:40:11 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 13:40:11 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] RE: [dba-SQLServer]Changing apostrophes in string
In-Reply-To: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFAEOOCCAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030218065624.00b1cfa0@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030521133445.00b1e458@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

I know it has been a long time but I finally managed to get around to 
fixing this part of my program.  I have a couple of refinements that I have 
shown below.  One is that if the apostrophe is at the end of the text then 
it would not have been picked up (needed to change the comparison to 
<=).  Second was that if there was more than 1 apostrophe then because the 
ChkText was getting longer with the extra apostrophes it might not have 
checked to the end so I deleted the lbLength variable and checked against 
the new length each loop.  Here is my amended code.

Public Function basFixSingleQuote(strChkText As String) As String

     Dim intPosition As Integer

     intPosition = InStr(1, strChkText, "'")

     Do While intPosition > 0 And intPosition <= Len(strChkText)
         strChkText = Left(strChkText, intPosition) & Mid(strChkText, 
intPosition)
         intPosition = InStr(intPosition + 2, strChkText, "'")
     Loop

     basFixSingleQuote = strChkText

End Function

Regards

David Emerson

At 17/02/2003, you wrote:
>Hi David:
>
>Here is an example that works with all versions of Access:
>
>     ....
>     With EmployeeRecord
>         .Surname = FixSingleQuote(.Surname)
>     End With
>     ....
>
>Public Function FixSingleQuote(ChkText As String) as String
>     Dim lbPosition As Integer
>     Dim lbLength As Integer
>
>     lbLength = Len(ChkText)
>     lbPosition = InStr(1, ChkText, "'")
>
>     Do While lbPosition > 0 And lbPosition < lbLength
>         ChkText = Left(ChkText, lbPosition) & Mid(ChkText, lbPosition)
>         lbPosition = InStr(lbPosition + 2, ChkText, "'")
>     Loop
>
>     FixSingleQuote = ChkText
>
>End Function
>
>HTH
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-sqlserver-admin at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-sqlserver-admin at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of David
>Emerson
>Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 9:58 AM
>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer]Changing apostrophes in string
>
>
>Thanks.  Does anyone have the code handy to do this (I could sit down and
>write a function that does it but am running out of time).
>
>David
>
>At 17/02/2003, you wrote:
> >Hi David,
> >
> >replcace every ' with '' (2 apostrophes, the first ' acts as an escape
> >character) before sending
> >the sql statement to SQL2000.
> >This especially gives you some (though not enough) protection in case of
> >sql injections ([Forms]![frmCustomers]!MName =
> >"test ' drop table tblCustStatement -- " etc.)
> >
> >
> >Christoph Seck
> >
> >
> >
> >-------- Original Message --------
> >Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Changing apostrophes in string (17-Feb-2003 4:21)
> >From:    davide at dalyn.co.nz
> >To:      dbaSQL.chseck at kuehne-holz.de
> >
> > > I tried the archives but couldn't get in .
> > >
> > > I have a simple sql statement to be run from and AXP ADP to SQL2000
> > >
> > > DoCmd.RunSQL "UPDATE tblCustStatement SET tblCustStatement.SMName = '" &
> > > [Forms]![frmCustomers]![MName] & "' WHERE (((tblCustStatement.CustIDNo)=
> > > " & [Forms]![frmCustomers]![txtCustomerID] & ") AND
> > > ((tblCustStatement.StatementNumber)= " &
> > > [Forms]![frmCustomers]![txtInvNumber] & "));"
> > >
> > > How do we handle the following situation where
> > [Forms]![frmCustomers]!MName
> > >
> > > includes an apostrophe?
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > David Emerson
> > > DALYN Software Ltd
> > > 25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
> > > Wellington, New Zealand
> > > Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > dba-SQLServer mailing list
> > > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
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> >dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> >http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Tue May 20 20:40:11 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 13:40:11 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] RE: [dba-SQLServer]Changing apostrophes in string
In-Reply-To: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFAEOOCCAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030218065624.00b1cfa0@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030521133445.00b1e458@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

I know it has been a long time but I finally managed to get around to 
fixing this part of my program.  I have a couple of refinements that I have 
shown below.  One is that if the apostrophe is at the end of the text then 
it would not have been picked up (needed to change the comparison to 
<=).  Second was that if there was more than 1 apostrophe then because the 
ChkText was getting longer with the extra apostrophes it might not have 
checked to the end so I deleted the lbLength variable and checked against 
the new length each loop.  Here is my amended code.

Public Function basFixSingleQuote(strChkText As String) As String

     Dim intPosition As Integer

     intPosition = InStr(1, strChkText, "'")

     Do While intPosition > 0 And intPosition <= Len(strChkText)
         strChkText = Left(strChkText, intPosition) & Mid(strChkText, 
intPosition)
         intPosition = InStr(intPosition + 2, strChkText, "'")
     Loop

     basFixSingleQuote = strChkText

End Function

Regards

David Emerson

At 17/02/2003, you wrote:
>Hi David:
>
>Here is an example that works with all versions of Access:
>
>     ....
>     With EmployeeRecord
>         .Surname = FixSingleQuote(.Surname)
>     End With
>     ....
>
>Public Function FixSingleQuote(ChkText As String) as String
>     Dim lbPosition As Integer
>     Dim lbLength As Integer
>
>     lbLength = Len(ChkText)
>     lbPosition = InStr(1, ChkText, "'")
>
>     Do While lbPosition > 0 And lbPosition < lbLength
>         ChkText = Left(ChkText, lbPosition) & Mid(ChkText, lbPosition)
>         lbPosition = InStr(lbPosition + 2, ChkText, "'")
>     Loop
>
>     FixSingleQuote = ChkText
>
>End Function
>
>HTH
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-sqlserver-admin at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-sqlserver-admin at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of David
>Emerson
>Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 9:58 AM
>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer]Changing apostrophes in string
>
>
>Thanks.  Does anyone have the code handy to do this (I could sit down and
>write a function that does it but am running out of time).
>
>David
>
>At 17/02/2003, you wrote:
> >Hi David,
> >
> >replcace every ' with '' (2 apostrophes, the first ' acts as an escape
> >character) before sending
> >the sql statement to SQL2000.
> >This especially gives you some (though not enough) protection in case of
> >sql injections ([Forms]![frmCustomers]!MName =
> >"test ' drop table tblCustStatement -- " etc.)
> >
> >
> >Christoph Seck
> >
> >
> >
> >-------- Original Message --------
> >Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Changing apostrophes in string (17-Feb-2003 4:21)
> >From:    davide at dalyn.co.nz
> >To:      dbaSQL.chseck at kuehne-holz.de
> >
> > > I tried the archives but couldn't get in .
> > >
> > > I have a simple sql statement to be run from and AXP ADP to SQL2000
> > >
> > > DoCmd.RunSQL "UPDATE tblCustStatement SET tblCustStatement.SMName = '" &
> > > [Forms]![frmCustomers]![MName] & "' WHERE (((tblCustStatement.CustIDNo)=
> > > " & [Forms]![frmCustomers]![txtCustomerID] & ") AND
> > > ((tblCustStatement.StatementNumber)= " &
> > > [Forms]![frmCustomers]![txtInvNumber] & "));"
> > >
> > > How do we handle the following situation where
> > [Forms]![frmCustomers]!MName
> > >
> > > includes an apostrophe?
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > David Emerson
> > > DALYN Software Ltd
> > > 25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
> > > Wellington, New Zealand
> > > Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > dba-SQLServer mailing list
> > > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >dba-SQLServer mailing list
> >dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> >http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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>
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From viner at eunet.yu  Wed May 21 00:56:52 2003
From: viner at eunet.yu (Ervin Brindza)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 07:56:52 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Change datatype through VBA
Message-ID: <001701c31f5d$d12fdba0$0100a8c0@razvoj>

How to change the datatype from Text to Numeric(Integer) in an external database?
TIA,
    Ervin
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed May 21 02:19:27 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 09:19:27 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
In-Reply-To: <60349.199.67.140.20.1053463130.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>
References:  <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F54@infoserver01.infostat.local>
 <9432099767.20030514175345@cactus.dk>
 <60349.199.67.140.20.1053463130.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <584028662.20030521091927@cactus.dk>

Hi Oleg

You can Group By Left([column with Associatesx], 10) ...

/gustav


> I have a query, one of the columns contains several groups of records -
> Associates1 and Associates2. I need for both of them to be Associates. Is
> there a faster way of doing this then using update query ? (this has to be
> done every day, and I just for everything to be performed in one query)


From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed May 21 03:34:44 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 09:34:44 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569E8@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Ye-es

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 17:53
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Roz:

Did you change the line which limits the retrieved files to .jpg extensions?

    .FileName = "*.jpg"

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:56 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


> Well I'm running Office XP on WXP w/ Service Pack 1.
>
> I can't think of any specific settings which would lead to the 
> exclusion
of
> the particular databases I'm missing :(
>
> Roz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 16:48
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
> That's interesting, Roz.  I just pulled your code out, changed the 
> path to point to a folder on my machine with mdbs in it, and got a 
> zero for the FoundFiles count.  And I had the same problem with 
> Rocky's sample
database.
> It has to be a setting that is causing the failures some of us are 
> experiencing.  Now, if we could just figure out what it is ... :o{
>
> Rocky, any suggestions?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:27 AM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
>
> Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but 
> Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:
>
>   Dim varItem As Variant
>   With Application.FileSearch
>     .NewSearch
>     .SearchSubFolders = True
>     .FileName = "*.mdb"
>     .LookIn = "G:\"
>     .Execute
>     'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
>     DoCmd.SetWarnings False
>     For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
>         strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & 
> varItem &
"'
> )"
>         'Debug.Print strSQL
>         DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
>     Next varItem
>   End With
>
> This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any 
> date info. But that's fine, I can live with that.
>
> What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it 
> (yes,
I
> know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but the 
> .FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked in 
> any sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky 
> behaviour you guys have experienced?!
>
> Roz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> Was curious about the code.  Standing by...
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
> Find Files db
>
>
> > The email or the code?
> >
> > I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out 
> > yet
> > - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and
> > now have
> a
> > stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
> >
> > I'll let you know!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > did it work?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > cheers
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with 
> > > a .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable.
> > > Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Roz:
> > > >
> > > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > > >
> > > > Do you have another email address that might let these go 
> > > > through?
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector" 
> > > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed May 21 04:06:42 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 10:06:42 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569EC@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

We're about to start designing the interface for a data mining application.
My team hasn't had any formal training on interface design, and I didn't
want them to get all their ideas from me - better if they have a range of
examples! So we're having a couple of workshops where we discuss design
principles before we start doing the spec. This application will take a few
weeks to write and, if we get it right, be in use for 2-3 years so it's
worth putting some thought into.
 
Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 20:10
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


What kind of 'interface' are you looking for?
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:53 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples



Hi all 

Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a discussion about interface
design, and someone was hosting a gallery of different interfaces that had
been done with Access?

Does anybody know if it's still there, where it was, and whether there are
any other good resources out there? 

TIA 

Roz 

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From subs at solution-providers.ie  Wed May 21 04:52:47 2003
From: subs at solution-providers.ie (Mark L. Breen)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 10:52:47 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
References: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569EC@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <002501c31f7e$c2de8850$6a1118ac@D8TZHN0J>

MessageHello Roz,

If you are going to do some work on UID, Alan Coopers work is a must read.  He will mention things that will make you say WOW, are we crazy to live with that kind of thing?

Have a look at his website also.  He has two books, 1) About Face and 2) The inmates are running the aslyum.  I could not recommend both strongly enough.  Only problem is, he will leave you kicking yourself because he sets the threshold quite high.  One the othe hand, some things he suggests are no codes improvements.

Mark Breen
Solution Providers
Ireland


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Roz Clarke 
  To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 10:06 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


  We're about to start designing the interface for a data mining application. My team hasn't had any formal training on interface design, and I didn't want them to get all their ideas from me - better if they have a range of examples! So we're having a couple of workshops where we discuss design principles before we start doing the spec. This application will take a few weeks to write and, if we get it right, be in use for 2-3 years so it's worth putting some thought into.

  Roz
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
    Sent: 20 May 2003 20:10
    To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
    Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


    What kind of 'interface' are you looking for?

    Drew
      -----Original Message-----
      From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
      Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:53 AM
      To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
      Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


      Hi all 

      Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a discussion about interface design, and someone was hosting a gallery of different interfaces that had been done with Access?

      Does anybody know if it's still there, where it was, and whether there are any other good resources out there? 

      TIA 

      Roz 



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From subs at solution-providers.ie  Wed May 21 05:45:36 2003
From: subs at solution-providers.ie (Mark L. Breen)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 11:45:36 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server and Visual InterDev
References: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569EC@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
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MessageHello All,

I have started using VID recently to do all my database work.  I am finding it great.  Building sprocs in it are much easier than in Enterprise manager.

For some reason, in the last few days, when I edit SQL within an Sproc or a view within VID, it does not display my columns, even though they are turned on!

I am presuming that I clicked something, but I have no idea what it is, I cannot find anything in the BOl to help me, it must be something simple.

Has anyone any ideas?  Are any of you guys using VID to edit database work?  Do you like it, have you found anything better ?

Thanks in advance for any help,

Mark
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From: subs at solution-providers.ie (Mark L. Breen)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 11:45:36 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer]SQL Server and Visual InterDev
References: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569EC@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
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MessageHello All,

I have started using VID recently to do all my database work.  I am finding it great.  Building sprocs in it are much easier than in Enterprise manager.

For some reason, in the last few days, when I edit SQL within an Sproc or a view within VID, it does not display my columns, even though they are turned on!

I am presuming that I clicked something, but I have no idea what it is, I cannot find anything in the BOl to help me, it must be something simple.

Has anyone any ideas?  Are any of you guys using VID to edit database work?  Do you like it, have you found anything better ?

Thanks in advance for any help,

Mark
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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Wed May 21 07:27:48 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 08:27:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA303331D5@ADGSERVER>

Hey, 
You can read several chapters from the book here:
http://tinyurl.com/8hc8 <http://tinyurl.com/8hc8> 
 
Not sure if these are the full chapters or not.
 
Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Bond
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:17 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Second that Charlotte.  Published by Apress.  ISBN 1-893115-94-1 (pbk.)
 
Stephen Bond

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 21 May 2003 2:57 a.m.
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


There's also a great book out call User Interface Design for Programmers, by
Joel Spolsky, that discusses Windows interface design in general, complete
with examples of what to avoid.
 
Charlotte Foust

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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Wed May 21 07:35:57 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 08:35:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Change datatype through VBA
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA303331D6@ADGSERVER>

One way that I have done this in the past is:
 
1) Build a table locally by adding fields up to the one that you want
changed, then add the field to the new table as you want it to be, then add
the rest of the fields.
2) Import all of the data into the new table.
3) Delete the original table.
4) Export the existing table to the origal database.
 
OR
 
If position in the table does not matter, simply rename the existing field,
append the new field to the end, and then copy the data from the old field
to the new field.  I'm not sure if you can delete the old field.
 
HTH,
Bobby

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ervin Brindza
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 1:57 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Change datatype through VBA



How to change the datatype from Text to Numeric(Integer) in an external
database?
TIA,
    Ervin

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From DElam at jenkens.com  Wed May 21 08:16:58 2003
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 08:16:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
Message-ID: <4AAC675EBAF3D411BCA200508BCFAA8E02F218EE@NATEXCH1>

Yes but how would you get them to stop playing with the cable, much less get
them out the correct spot if at all.  I have heard ferrets were used to
string cable in tight places, but I am still trying to figure out how they
were trained.  Ferrets are smart, but do not take direction well, and
consider anything and everything a toy.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Lytle [mailto:nancy.lytle at auatac.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:27 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


On a lighter note, for those really tight places for stringing cables -
walls and low ceilings-, why not use a ferret, they can get into the most
unusual places, they work on the cheap, on the other hand they can be
tempermental.

N Lytle :))

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:57 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


True enough - we only had to get across 2x4 stringers, luckily the
rafters/upper floor bearers (2x10) ran the other way.  The car
negotiated the 2x4s without a problem.

I would NEVER suggest running data through power conduit.  Guess we were
lucky again in that the house is full brick and there is a "fair" 10mm
gap between the skins, the only obstacle to vertical drops being the
brickies ties.  Brick veneer and etc with studded walls is always a
problem for any vertical cabling - I usually have opted for "dress"
conduit except in the rare cases where I felt the job was worth
replastering the wall.

Bruce
P.s. I have done it for a living.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Frank Tanner
III
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


That works fine for an office build.  But RC cars
don't work well in raftered house ceilings.  Most
houses here use 2x6s or 2x8s for rafters.  Or at least
most of the ones that I've seen.

If you're running network lines down the same conduit
as electrical wiring you're violating about a dozen
fire and safety codes.  Not to mention every basic
rule of network wiring that there is.

Electrical wiring, ESPECIALLY two-phase and
three-phase wiring emit large amounts of RF.  RF kills
data integrity.  One of the most basic rules of
network wiring is NEVER string your network wires
across power conduits, junction boxes, or lighting
fixtures.  Don't believe me?  Ask anyone that does it
for a living.  You, physically, can do it, but you
shouldn't.  You're asking for trouble.

--- Bruce Bruen <bbruen at bigpond.com> wrote:
> Try a $50 remote control 4WD model (ATV? For youse
> yanquies?) - we wired
> 200+ points in an office building several years ago
> using a couple of
> these - without removing the false ceiling.  They
> have a great advantage
> over nerf balls as you can make them go around
> things!. Also used one to
> cast 240V twin core for ceiling downlights BETWEEN
> the ceiling and the
> upper floor in our "new" 1928 built house last year.
> One sparky said "it
> couldn't be done" without removing the original cast
> plaster ceilings,
> another said $4500+ (for running the cable).   I
> said "bullSh*t", and
> did it myself, got a GOOD sparky to connect the
> cabling to the house
> circuit and certify the work for $60 + 2 coffees and
> a couple of beers.
>
> The way to get cable down a cored wall is to use
> that plastic strapping
> they use on whitegoods - as long as you can get a
> length of it - but
> better still is the plastic jointer strip out of
> quickclip flooring -
> you can shape the end to a blunt point and feed it
> UP a 1/2" or less
> core, attach the cable in the ceiling space and whip
> it down the core in
> approx 1/8 the time it takes the cat to get inside
> on a rainy day.
>
> If you DYI cat5, there is only one real tip - try
> not to kink the cable,
> otherwise I reckon its as good as $20/metre (or yard
> speaker cable for
> anything.  Oh, and another, if you cr*p up a
> connection on cat5 whether
> its Krone or grub screwed or whatever - cut the
> whole 4" off and start
> again, its not worth the hassle of bad connectors.
>
> Have fun! Crawling in 18" high dusty, cramped, dark,
> lumpy (with sharp
> bits) spaces is what some idiots do for a sport!
>
> Bruce
>
>
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> III
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:05 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> lines
>
>
> Yeah.  Those work well for drop ceiling.  We used to
> use string tied to a Nerf football...hehehe
>
> It can be a little more problematic in housing
> rafters
> though, unless you have lots of space.  Most houses
> here in Phoenix don't have attics, so the rafters
> have
> like 3 feet of clearance or so tops.  Makes it a
> real
> pain in the butt to string cable through....hehee
>
> --- MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca> wrote:
> > Here is an article on tools and methods to use for difficult CAT-5
> > cabling. I really like the fly fishing rod and slingshot
> > methods.
> >
>
http://www.techrepublic.com/article.jhtml?id=r00320030218vgl01.htm&fromt
> m=e101-3
> >
> > Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:
> >
> > >Frank:
> > >
> > >Thanks for the heads up.  I can get CAT5 to that
> > room but it will cost
> > >$500-600 because of where it is.  :(
> > >
> > >Looks like wireless for me.
> > >
> > >Rocky
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Frank Tanner III"
> <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > >To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:29 AM
> > >Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> > lines
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>I highly recommend against this.  Most telephone
> > >>wiring in homes is CAT3 *AT BEST*.  In alot of
> > cases,
> > >>not even that good.
> > >>
> > >>Most home telephone wiring is so splices and mickey-moused
> > >>together that you will be lucky if
> > you
> > >>get any connection at all.  And if you do, it
> will
> > >>probably be spotty, at best, due to
> > electromagenetic
> > >>interferance from other devices.
> > >>
> > >>Network engineering is what I do for a living.
> > I'd go
> > >>wireless LONG before I'd trust home telco wiring
> > for
> > >>my LAN.  Myself, I strung CAT5 in my house.  But
> > >>that's because I know how to.  For most home
> users
> > >>wireless would be a perfect fit.  If you're
> > worried
> > >>about people leeching your bandwidth or
> "sniffing"
> > off
> > >>of your wireless LAN, there are ways to lock it
> > down,
> > >>simply.  Will it stop the determined leech?
> Nope.
> > >>But it would stop 90% of the leeches that are
> out
> > >>there, because most are just looking for free
> > >>bandwidth.  Not to mention, I'd think you'd
> notice
> > >>someone sitting in front of your house with a
> laptop....hehehee
> > >>
> > >>--- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>Dear List(s):
> > >>>
> > >>>Got a new computer to put into a room where we
> > can't
> > >>>reach it with CAT-5.  So I've been ready to go
> > >>>wireless, except someone suggested using the
> > phone
> > >>>lines in the house (just as a substitute wire)
> > >>>instead of wireless.  Apparently, there's a
> > device
> > >>>that will connect the NIC and the phone jack
> and
> > you
> > >>>can use the phone wires in the house for
> > networking.
> > >>>
> > >>>Sounds, easy, and cheap, and low tech.  Anyone
> > know
> > >>>about this?
> > >>>
> > >>>MTIA
> > >>>
> > >>>Rocky Smolin
> > >>>Beach Access Software
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >
> >>>>_______________________________________________
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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Wed May 21 08:36:31 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 08:36:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F3583C@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

A juicy tidbit at the spot where you want the ferret to go will work.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Elam, Debbie [mailto:DElam at jenkens.com] 
Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 21 08:17
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines

Yes but how would you get them to stop playing with the cable, much less
get them out the correct spot if at all.  I have heard ferrets were used
to string cable in tight places, but I am still trying to figure out how
they were trained.  Ferrets are smart, but do not take direction well,
and consider anything and everything a toy.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Lytle [mailto:nancy.lytle at auatac.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:27 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


On a lighter note, for those really tight places for stringing cables -
walls and low ceilings-, why not use a ferret, they can get into the
most unusual places, they work on the cheap, on the other hand they can
be tempermental.

N Lytle :))

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:57 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


True enough - we only had to get across 2x4 stringers, luckily the
rafters/upper floor bearers (2x10) ran the other way.  The car
negotiated the 2x4s without a problem.

I would NEVER suggest running data through power conduit.  Guess we were
lucky again in that the house is full brick and there is a "fair" 10mm
gap between the skins, the only obstacle to vertical drops being the
brickies ties.  Brick veneer and etc with studded walls is always a
problem for any vertical cabling - I usually have opted for "dress"
conduit except in the rare cases where I felt the job was worth
replastering the wall.

Bruce
P.s. I have done it for a living.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Frank Tanner
III
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


That works fine for an office build.  But RC cars
don't work well in raftered house ceilings.  Most
houses here use 2x6s or 2x8s for rafters.  Or at least
most of the ones that I've seen.

If you're running network lines down the same conduit
as electrical wiring you're violating about a dozen
fire and safety codes.  Not to mention every basic
rule of network wiring that there is.

Electrical wiring, ESPECIALLY two-phase and
three-phase wiring emit large amounts of RF.  RF kills
data integrity.  One of the most basic rules of
network wiring is NEVER string your network wires
across power conduits, junction boxes, or lighting
fixtures.  Don't believe me?  Ask anyone that does it
for a living.  You, physically, can do it, but you
shouldn't.  You're asking for trouble.


From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Wed May 21 08:54:42 2003
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 09:54:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Deleting ADODB.Command Parameters
Message-ID: <806536912C472E4A9D6515DF2E57261E0C5A74@mercury.tnco-inc.com>

Hi All,

I was trying to clear out the parameters collection of an ADODB.Command
object (2.7) and could not find a DeleteAll command.

Is the only way to delete all of the parameters in this collection by
iterating through them and delete each one?

Thanks,

Joe R.




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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed May 21 09:01:53 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 10:01:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEDODNAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

In Access placing the insertion pointer in a method of an object and hitting
shft-F2 takes you to that method of that object (to the code).  It actually
takes you to anything, variable etc.  According to the help file "shortcut
keys" this is supposed to work in the Visual Studio editor as well, and I
could swear that I have used it, but I am not getting it to work now.  Is
this supposed to work the same way as in the Access VBA editor?

John W. Colby
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From delliker at hotmail.com  Wed May 21 09:08:29 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 10:08:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Further to SelHeight returns zero
Message-ID: <Law12-F21HXC9EQETp600005b29@hotmail.com>

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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Wed May 21 09:08:37 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 09:08:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] does Access allow Replace in sql window ?
In-Reply-To: <9432099767.20030514175345@cactus.dk>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F54@infoserver01.infostat.local>
	<9432099767.20030514175345@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <57544.199.67.140.20.1053526117.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>

I was pretty sure that it does, but I can't seem to remember/find how.
I need something like this

Edit tblTableName

Select *

Replace "Mash*" with "Masha"




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From mikedorism at ntelos.net  Wed May 21 09:20:45 2003
From: mikedorism at ntelos.net (Mike and Doris Manning)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 10:20:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Remembering place on a datasheet
Message-ID: <000001c31fa4$2f043b90$3c320cd8@hargrove.internal>

I have created a datasheet for my users that works really well.  The problem
is that some users may have about 200 lines on there sheet.  Whenever the
datasheet requeries, the record pointer floats back to the top instead of
remaining on the line the user was working with.

Anybody got any suggestions for how can I sneakily return the user back to
line they were working on to get around the requery problem?

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed May 21 09:21:37 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:21:37 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569FD@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

One of my colleagues is trying this out for me, will let you know how she
gets on!

-----Original Message-----
From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 18:11
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Here's code that I tested and it seems to be working.  I have a table called
tbl_Files in which I want to place the name of the database found, the
directory it is located, it's size, when it was created, when it was last
modified, and when it was last accessed.

Private Sub cmdFileObject_Click()
' Provides the user Path, File Name,
' and File Size
' Insure there is a reference to the
' Microsoft Scripting Runtime
' Access 2000/2002
    On Error GoTo cmdFileObject_ERR

    Dim rst As ADODB.Command
    Dim fso As FileSystemObject
    Dim f1 As File
    Dim strFilePath As String
    Dim strFileName As String
    Dim strFileSize As String
    Dim datDateCreated As Date
    Dim datDateModified As Date
    Dim datDateAccessed As Date
    Dim I As Double

    Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
    Set rst = New ADODB.Command

    DoCmd.Hourglass True
    ' Create a recordset
    With rst
        .ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection
        .CommandType = adCmdText
        ' Create the SQL to delete any records in the table tbl_Files
        .CommandText = "DELETE * FROM tbl_Files"
        ' Delete the records
        .Execute
    End With

    With Application.FileSearch
        .NewSearch

	  ' There are over 50 subfolders where the databases reside
	  ' in this My work directory.
        .LookIn = "D:\Documents and Settings\John\My Documents\My Work"

        ' I want to search for all files that have .mda, .mdb, .mde
        ' and .ldb in their name.  Place a semicolon between each
        ' file type so that the FilesSearch will search all that
        ' you have specified
        .FileName = "*.mda; *.mdb; *.mde; *.ldb"

        .MatchTextExactly = False

	  ' FileType not required if you are using .FileName
	  ' with an extension
 '       .FileType = msoFileTypeAllFiles

	  ' Search all subfolders of My Work
        .SearchSubFolders = True

        If .Execute() > 0 Then
            For I = 1 To .FoundFiles.Count

                Set f1 = fso.GetFile(.FoundFiles(I))

                strFilePath = f1.ParentFolder
                strFileName = f1.Name
                strFileSize = f1.Size / 1000 ' Convert to KB
                datDateCreated = f1.DateCreated
                datDateModified = f1.DateLastModified
                datDateAccessed = f1.DateLastAccessed

                DoEvents

                ' SQL statement to insert the data into the tbl_Files table
                rst.CommandText = "INSERT INTO tbl_Files " & _
                        "(FilePath, FileName, FileSize, DateCreated, " & _
                        "DateLastModified, DateLastAccessed) " & _
                        "SELECT '" & _
                        strFilePath & "', '" & _
                        strFileName & " ', " & _
                        strFileSize & ", #" & _
                        datDateCreated & "#, #" & _
                        datDateModified & "#, #" & _
                        datDateAccessed & "#"
                ' Insert the record
                rst.Execute
           Next I
            MsgBox "Done. " & .FoundFiles.Count & " Records were added"
        Else
            MsgBox "No Files Found"
        End If
    End With


cmdFileObject_EXIT:

    On Error Resume Next
    DoCmd.Hourglass False
    Set rst = Nothing
    Exit Sub

cmdFileObject_ERR:

    If Err.Number = 70 Then ' Permission denied
        Resume Next
    End If
    MsgBox Error$

End Sub

John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
Always Looking For Contract Opportunities

Home: 253.588.2139
Cell: 253.307/2947
9306 Farwest Dr SW
Lakewood, WA 98498

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                and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:56 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Well I'm running Office XP on WXP w/ Service Pack 1.

I can't think of any specific settings which would lead to the exclusion of
the particular databases I'm missing :(

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: 20 May 2003 16:48
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


That's interesting, Roz.  I just pulled your code out, changed the path to
point to a folder on my machine with mdbs in it, and got a zero for the
FoundFiles count.  And I had the same problem with Rocky's sample database.
It has to be a setting that is causing the failures some of us are
experiencing.  Now, if we could just figure out what it is ... :o{

Rocky, any suggestions?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:27 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames



Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but
Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:

  Dim varItem As Variant
  With Application.FileSearch
    .NewSearch
    .SearchSubFolders = True
    .FileName = "*.mdb"
    .LookIn = "G:\"
    .Execute
    'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
        strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & varItem & "'
)"
        'Debug.Print strSQL
        DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
    Next varItem
  End With

This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any date
info. But that's fine, I can live with that.

What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it (yes, I
know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but the
.FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked in any
sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky behaviour you
guys have experienced?!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
To: Roz Clarke
Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


Was curious about the code.  Standing by...

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


> The email or the code?
>
> I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out yet
> - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and 
> now have
a
> stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
>
> I'll let you know!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> did it work?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> > cheers
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with a 
> > .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.
> > Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > >
> > >
> > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Roz:
> > >
> > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > >
> > > Do you have another email address that might let these go through?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector" 
> > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable.
> > Find
> > > Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company 
> > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > >
> > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Wed May 21 09:24:30 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 16:24:30 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Remembering place on a datasheet
References: <000001c31fa4$2f043b90$3c320cd8@hargrove.internal>
Message-ID: <048201c31fa4$b17135b0$0300a8c0@S856>

I think you have to save the bookmark and then copy it back. 

Lembit Soobik

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike and Doris Manning" <mikedorism at ntelos.net>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 4:20 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Remembering place on a datasheet


> I have created a datasheet for my users that works really well.  The problem
> is that some users may have about 200 lines on there sheet.  Whenever the
> datasheet requeries, the record pointer floats back to the top instead of
> remaining on the line the user was working with.
> 
> Anybody got any suggestions for how can I sneakily return the user back to
> line they were working on to get around the requery problem?
> 
> Doris Manning
> Database Administrator
> Hargrove Inc.
> www.hargroveinc.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed May 21 09:24:29 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:24:29 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569FE@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

John

Thanks for this, Karen reports that it works beautifully in terms of
bringing back the additional info. It still only returns 152 of our 280
databases though! Gah!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 18:11
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Here's code that I tested and it seems to be working.  I have a table called
tbl_Files in which I want to place the name of the database found, the
directory it is located, it's size, when it was created, when it was last
modified, and when it was last accessed.

Private Sub cmdFileObject_Click()
' Provides the user Path, File Name,
' and File Size
' Insure there is a reference to the
' Microsoft Scripting Runtime
' Access 2000/2002
    On Error GoTo cmdFileObject_ERR

    Dim rst As ADODB.Command
    Dim fso As FileSystemObject
    Dim f1 As File
    Dim strFilePath As String
    Dim strFileName As String
    Dim strFileSize As String
    Dim datDateCreated As Date
    Dim datDateModified As Date
    Dim datDateAccessed As Date
    Dim I As Double

    Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
    Set rst = New ADODB.Command

    DoCmd.Hourglass True
    ' Create a recordset
    With rst
        .ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection
        .CommandType = adCmdText
        ' Create the SQL to delete any records in the table tbl_Files
        .CommandText = "DELETE * FROM tbl_Files"
        ' Delete the records
        .Execute
    End With

    With Application.FileSearch
        .NewSearch

	  ' There are over 50 subfolders where the databases reside
	  ' in this My work directory.
        .LookIn = "D:\Documents and Settings\John\My Documents\My Work"

        ' I want to search for all files that have .mda, .mdb, .mde
        ' and .ldb in their name.  Place a semicolon between each
        ' file type so that the FilesSearch will search all that
        ' you have specified
        .FileName = "*.mda; *.mdb; *.mde; *.ldb"

        .MatchTextExactly = False

	  ' FileType not required if you are using .FileName
	  ' with an extension
 '       .FileType = msoFileTypeAllFiles

	  ' Search all subfolders of My Work
        .SearchSubFolders = True

        If .Execute() > 0 Then
            For I = 1 To .FoundFiles.Count

                Set f1 = fso.GetFile(.FoundFiles(I))

                strFilePath = f1.ParentFolder
                strFileName = f1.Name
                strFileSize = f1.Size / 1000 ' Convert to KB
                datDateCreated = f1.DateCreated
                datDateModified = f1.DateLastModified
                datDateAccessed = f1.DateLastAccessed

                DoEvents

                ' SQL statement to insert the data into the tbl_Files table
                rst.CommandText = "INSERT INTO tbl_Files " & _
                        "(FilePath, FileName, FileSize, DateCreated, " & _
                        "DateLastModified, DateLastAccessed) " & _
                        "SELECT '" & _
                        strFilePath & "', '" & _
                        strFileName & " ', " & _
                        strFileSize & ", #" & _
                        datDateCreated & "#, #" & _
                        datDateModified & "#, #" & _
                        datDateAccessed & "#"
                ' Insert the record
                rst.Execute
           Next I
            MsgBox "Done. " & .FoundFiles.Count & " Records were added"
        Else
            MsgBox "No Files Found"
        End If
    End With


cmdFileObject_EXIT:

    On Error Resume Next
    DoCmd.Hourglass False
    Set rst = Nothing
    Exit Sub

cmdFileObject_ERR:

    If Err.Number = 70 Then ' Permission denied
        Resume Next
    End If
    MsgBox Error$

End Sub

John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
Always Looking For Contract Opportunities

Home: 253.588.2139
Cell: 253.307/2947
9306 Farwest Dr SW
Lakewood, WA 98498

"Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
                and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:56 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Well I'm running Office XP on WXP w/ Service Pack 1.

I can't think of any specific settings which would lead to the exclusion of
the particular databases I'm missing :(

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: 20 May 2003 16:48
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


That's interesting, Roz.  I just pulled your code out, changed the path to
point to a folder on my machine with mdbs in it, and got a zero for the
FoundFiles count.  And I had the same problem with Rocky's sample database.
It has to be a setting that is causing the failures some of us are
experiencing.  Now, if we could just figure out what it is ... :o{

Rocky, any suggestions?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:27 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames



Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but
Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:

  Dim varItem As Variant
  With Application.FileSearch
    .NewSearch
    .SearchSubFolders = True
    .FileName = "*.mdb"
    .LookIn = "G:\"
    .Execute
    'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
        strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & varItem & "'
)"
        'Debug.Print strSQL
        DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
    Next varItem
  End With

This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any date
info. But that's fine, I can live with that.

What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it (yes, I
know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but the
.FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked in any
sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky behaviour you
guys have experienced?!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
To: Roz Clarke
Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


Was curious about the code.  Standing by...

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


> The email or the code?
>
> I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out yet
> - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and 
> now have
a
> stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
>
> I'll let you know!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> did it work?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> > cheers
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with a 
> > .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.
> > Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > >
> > >
> > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Roz:
> > >
> > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > >
> > > Do you have another email address that might let these go through?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector" 
> > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable.
> > Find
> > > Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company 
> > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > >
> > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed May 21 09:28:22 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 16:28:22 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] does Access allow Replace in sql window ?
In-Reply-To: <57544.199.67.140.20.1053526117.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>
References:  <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F54@infoserver01.infostat.local>
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Hi Oleg

You could do something like:

  Expr1: IIf(Left([YourColumn], 4)='Mash', 'Masha', [YourColumn])

/gustav


> I was pretty sure that it does, but I can't seem to remember/find how.
> I need something like this

> Edit tblTableName

> Select *

> Replace "Mash*" with "Masha"


From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Wed May 21 09:33:58 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 09:33:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] does Access allow Replace in sql window ?
In-Reply-To: <7629764428.20030521162822@cactus.dk>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F54@infoserver01.infostat.local>
	<9432099767.20030514175345@cactus.dk>
	<57544.199.67.140.20.1053526117.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>
	<7629764428.20030521162822@cactus.dk>
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thanks Gustav,

but they are all different length (with first 5 characters being the same)
Actually I just realisesd that all I need is for all values in that column
to be the word "associates" That should be simpler ?

> Hi Oleg
>
> You could do something like:
>
>   Expr1: IIf(Left([YourColumn], 4)='Mash', 'Masha', [YourColumn])
>
> /gustav
>
>
>> I was pretty sure that it does, but I can't seem to remember/find how.
>> I need something like this
>
>> Edit tblTableName
>
>> Select *
>
>> Replace "Mash*" with "Masha"
>
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From papparuff at attbi.com  Wed May 21 09:47:08 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 07:47:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569FE@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <004a01c31fa7$db2c5120$6401a8c0@papparuff>

Roz,

Please don't think me silly, but...are the other 128 databases in
directories that were not specified in the .LookIn property.  Does the
person running the code have access to the directories that the other
databases are located?



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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 7:24 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


John

Thanks for this, Karen reports that it works beautifully in terms of
bringing back the additional info. It still only returns 152 of our 280
databases though! Gah!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 18:11
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Here's code that I tested and it seems to be working.  I have a table
called tbl_Files in which I want to place the name of the database
found, the directory it is located, it's size, when it was created, when
it was last modified, and when it was last accessed.

Private Sub cmdFileObject_Click()
' Provides the user Path, File Name,
' and File Size
' Insure there is a reference to the
' Microsoft Scripting Runtime
' Access 2000/2002
    On Error GoTo cmdFileObject_ERR

    Dim rst As ADODB.Command
    Dim fso As FileSystemObject
    Dim f1 As File
    Dim strFilePath As String
    Dim strFileName As String
    Dim strFileSize As String
    Dim datDateCreated As Date
    Dim datDateModified As Date
    Dim datDateAccessed As Date
    Dim I As Double

    Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
    Set rst = New ADODB.Command

    DoCmd.Hourglass True
    ' Create a recordset
    With rst
        .ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection
        .CommandType = adCmdText
        ' Create the SQL to delete any records in the table tbl_Files
        .CommandText = "DELETE * FROM tbl_Files"
        ' Delete the records
        .Execute
    End With

    With Application.FileSearch
        .NewSearch

	  ' There are over 50 subfolders where the databases reside
	  ' in this My work directory.
        .LookIn = "D:\Documents and Settings\John\My Documents\My Work"

        ' I want to search for all files that have .mda, .mdb, .mde
        ' and .ldb in their name.  Place a semicolon between each
        ' file type so that the FilesSearch will search all that
        ' you have specified
        .FileName = "*.mda; *.mdb; *.mde; *.ldb"

        .MatchTextExactly = False

	  ' FileType not required if you are using .FileName
	  ' with an extension
 '       .FileType = msoFileTypeAllFiles

	  ' Search all subfolders of My Work
        .SearchSubFolders = True

        If .Execute() > 0 Then
            For I = 1 To .FoundFiles.Count

                Set f1 = fso.GetFile(.FoundFiles(I))

                strFilePath = f1.ParentFolder
                strFileName = f1.Name
                strFileSize = f1.Size / 1000 ' Convert to KB
                datDateCreated = f1.DateCreated
                datDateModified = f1.DateLastModified
                datDateAccessed = f1.DateLastAccessed

                DoEvents

                ' SQL statement to insert the data into the tbl_Files
table
                rst.CommandText = "INSERT INTO tbl_Files " & _
                        "(FilePath, FileName, FileSize, DateCreated, " &
_
                        "DateLastModified, DateLastAccessed) " & _
                        "SELECT '" & _
                        strFilePath & "', '" & _
                        strFileName & " ', " & _
                        strFileSize & ", #" & _
                        datDateCreated & "#, #" & _
                        datDateModified & "#, #" & _
                        datDateAccessed & "#"
                ' Insert the record
                rst.Execute
           Next I
            MsgBox "Done. " & .FoundFiles.Count & " Records were added"
        Else
            MsgBox "No Files Found"
        End If
    End With


cmdFileObject_EXIT:

    On Error Resume Next
    DoCmd.Hourglass False
    Set rst = Nothing
    Exit Sub

cmdFileObject_ERR:

    If Err.Number = 70 Then ' Permission denied
        Resume Next
    End If
    MsgBox Error$

End Sub

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:56 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Well I'm running Office XP on WXP w/ Service Pack 1.

I can't think of any specific settings which would lead to the exclusion
of the particular databases I'm missing :(

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: 20 May 2003 16:48
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


That's interesting, Roz.  I just pulled your code out, changed the path
to point to a folder on my machine with mdbs in it, and got a zero for
the FoundFiles count.  And I had the same problem with Rocky's sample
database. It has to be a setting that is causing the failures some of us
are experiencing.  Now, if we could just figure out what it is ... :o{

Rocky, any suggestions?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:27 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames



Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but
Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:

  Dim varItem As Variant
  With Application.FileSearch
    .NewSearch
    .SearchSubFolders = True
    .FileName = "*.mdb"
    .LookIn = "G:\"
    .Execute
    'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
        strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & varItem
& "' )"
        'Debug.Print strSQL
        DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
    Next varItem
  End With

This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any
date info. But that's fine, I can live with that.

What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it
(yes, I know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but
the .FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked
in any sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky
behaviour you guys have experienced?!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
To: Roz Clarke
Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable. Find Files db


Was curious about the code.  Standing by...

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable. Find Files db


> The email or the code?
>
> I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out yet
> - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and
> now have
a
> stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
>
> I'll let you know!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> did it work?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> > cheers
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with a
> > .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.
> > Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > >
> > >
> > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Roz:
> > >
> > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > >
> > > Do you have another email address that might let these go through?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector"
> > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable.
> > Find
> > > Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company
> > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > >
> > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed May 21 09:57:16 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 07:57:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Remembering place on a datasheet
References: <000001c31fa4$2f043b90$3c320cd8@hargrove.internal>
Message-ID: <044101c31fa9$4536a8d0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Doris:

DIM varBookMark as Variant

    varBookMark = Me.Bookmark
    Me.Requery (or whatever)
    Me.Bookmark = varBookMark

will return you to the original record.

HTH

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike and Doris Manning" <mikedorism at ntelos.net>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 7:20 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Remembering place on a datasheet


> I have created a datasheet for my users that works really well.  The
problem
> is that some users may have about 200 lines on there sheet.  Whenever the
> datasheet requeries, the record pointer floats back to the top instead of
> remaining on the line the user was working with.
>
> Anybody got any suggestions for how can I sneakily return the user back to
> line they were working on to get around the requery problem?
>
> Doris Manning
> Database Administrator
> Hargrove Inc.
> www.hargroveinc.com
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed May 21 10:01:54 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 17:01:54 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] does Access allow Replace in sql window ?
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References:  <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F54@infoserver01.infostat.local>
 <9432099767.20030514175345@cactus.dk>
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 <7629764428.20030521162822@cactus.dk>
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Message-ID: <13831776281.20030521170154@cactus.dk>

Hi Oleg

> but they are all different length (with first 5 characters being the same)

If so:

  Expr1: IIf(Left([YourColumn], 5)='Masha', 'Masha', [YourColumn])

> Actually I just realisesd that all I need is for all values in that column
> to be the word "associates" That should be simpler ?

Ehh - you lost me here ... or do you mean:

  Expr1: IIf(Left([YourColumn], 10)='Associates', 'Associates', [YourColumn])

/gustav


>> You could do something like:
>>
>>   Expr1: IIf(Left([YourColumn], 4)='Mash', 'Masha', [YourColumn])
>>
>> /gustav
>>
>>
>>> I was pretty sure that it does, but I can't seem to remember/find how.
>>> I need something like this
>>
>>> Edit tblTableName
>>
>>> Select *
>>
>>> Replace "Mash*" with "Masha"


From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed May 21 10:02:22 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 16:02:22 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956A00@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

I don't think you silly whatsoever.

The other 128 databases are in directories and subdirectories which sit
alongside those which are successfully being searched (all in one root
directory with no shares or other malarkey involved) There are no different
permissions on any of the folders or databases being ignored versus those
being returned. The user(s) testing the code have full administrator
permissions.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
Sent: 21 May 2003 15:47
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Roz,

Please don't think me silly, but...are the other 128 databases in
directories that were not specified in the .LookIn property.  Does the
person running the code have access to the directories that the other
databases are located?



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Always Looking For Contract Opportunities

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 7:24 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


John

Thanks for this, Karen reports that it works beautifully in terms of
bringing back the additional info. It still only returns 152 of our 280
databases though! Gah!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 18:11
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Here's code that I tested and it seems to be working.  I have a table called
tbl_Files in which I want to place the name of the database found, the
directory it is located, it's size, when it was created, when it was last
modified, and when it was last accessed.

Private Sub cmdFileObject_Click()
' Provides the user Path, File Name,
' and File Size
' Insure there is a reference to the
' Microsoft Scripting Runtime
' Access 2000/2002
    On Error GoTo cmdFileObject_ERR

    Dim rst As ADODB.Command
    Dim fso As FileSystemObject
    Dim f1 As File
    Dim strFilePath As String
    Dim strFileName As String
    Dim strFileSize As String
    Dim datDateCreated As Date
    Dim datDateModified As Date
    Dim datDateAccessed As Date
    Dim I As Double

    Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
    Set rst = New ADODB.Command

    DoCmd.Hourglass True
    ' Create a recordset
    With rst
        .ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection
        .CommandType = adCmdText
        ' Create the SQL to delete any records in the table tbl_Files
        .CommandText = "DELETE * FROM tbl_Files"
        ' Delete the records
        .Execute
    End With

    With Application.FileSearch
        .NewSearch

	  ' There are over 50 subfolders where the databases reside
	  ' in this My work directory.
        .LookIn = "D:\Documents and Settings\John\My Documents\My Work"

        ' I want to search for all files that have .mda, .mdb, .mde
        ' and .ldb in their name.  Place a semicolon between each
        ' file type so that the FilesSearch will search all that
        ' you have specified
        .FileName = "*.mda; *.mdb; *.mde; *.ldb"

        .MatchTextExactly = False

	  ' FileType not required if you are using .FileName
	  ' with an extension
 '       .FileType = msoFileTypeAllFiles

	  ' Search all subfolders of My Work
        .SearchSubFolders = True

        If .Execute() > 0 Then
            For I = 1 To .FoundFiles.Count

                Set f1 = fso.GetFile(.FoundFiles(I))

                strFilePath = f1.ParentFolder
                strFileName = f1.Name
                strFileSize = f1.Size / 1000 ' Convert to KB
                datDateCreated = f1.DateCreated
                datDateModified = f1.DateLastModified
                datDateAccessed = f1.DateLastAccessed

                DoEvents

                ' SQL statement to insert the data into the tbl_Files table
                rst.CommandText = "INSERT INTO tbl_Files " & _
                        "(FilePath, FileName, FileSize, DateCreated, " & _
                        "DateLastModified, DateLastAccessed) " & _
                        "SELECT '" & _
                        strFilePath & "', '" & _
                        strFileName & " ', " & _
                        strFileSize & ", #" & _
                        datDateCreated & "#, #" & _
                        datDateModified & "#, #" & _
                        datDateAccessed & "#"
                ' Insert the record
                rst.Execute
           Next I
            MsgBox "Done. " & .FoundFiles.Count & " Records were added"
        Else
            MsgBox "No Files Found"
        End If
    End With


cmdFileObject_EXIT:

    On Error Resume Next
    DoCmd.Hourglass False
    Set rst = Nothing
    Exit Sub

cmdFileObject_ERR:

    If Err.Number = 70 Then ' Permission denied
        Resume Next
    End If
    MsgBox Error$

End Sub

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:56 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Well I'm running Office XP on WXP w/ Service Pack 1.

I can't think of any specific settings which would lead to the exclusion of
the particular databases I'm missing :(

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: 20 May 2003 16:48
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


That's interesting, Roz.  I just pulled your code out, changed the path to
point to a folder on my machine with mdbs in it, and got a zero for the
FoundFiles count.  And I had the same problem with Rocky's sample database.
It has to be a setting that is causing the failures some of us are
experiencing.  Now, if we could just figure out what it is ... :o{

Rocky, any suggestions?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:27 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames



Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but
Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:

  Dim varItem As Variant
  With Application.FileSearch
    .NewSearch
    .SearchSubFolders = True
    .FileName = "*.mdb"
    .LookIn = "G:\"
    .Execute
    'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
        strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & varItem & "'
)"
        'Debug.Print strSQL
        DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
    Next varItem
  End With

This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any date
info. But that's fine, I can live with that.

What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it (yes, I
know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but the
.FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked in any
sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky behaviour you
guys have experienced?!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
To: Roz Clarke
Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


Was curious about the code.  Standing by...

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


> The email or the code?
>
> I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out yet
> - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and 
> now have
a
> stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
>
> I'll let you know!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> did it work?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> > cheers
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with a 
> > .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.
> > Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > >
> > >
> > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Roz:
> > >
> > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > >
> > > Do you have another email address that might let these go through?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector" 
> > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > unreadable.
> > Find
> > > Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company 
> > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > >
> > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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From mikedorism at ntelos.net  Wed May 21 10:10:43 2003
From: mikedorism at ntelos.net (Mike and Doris Manning)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 11:10:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Remembering place on a datasheet
In-Reply-To: <048201c31fa4$b17135b0$0300a8c0@S856>
Message-ID: <000001c31fab$2a7a4270$6e330cd8@hargrove.internal>

Bless you... I knew it could be done just couldn't remember how...

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 10:25 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Remembering place on a datasheet


I think you have to save the bookmark and then copy it back. 

Lembit Soobik

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From: "Mike and Doris Manning" <mikedorism at ntelos.net>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 4:20 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Remembering place on a datasheet


> I have created a datasheet for my users that works really well.  The 
> problem is that some users may have about 200 lines on there sheet.  
> Whenever the datasheet requeries, the record pointer floats back to 
> the top instead of remaining on the line the user was working with.
> 
> Anybody got any suggestions for how can I sneakily return the user 
> back to line they were working on to get around the requery problem?
> 
> Doris Manning
> Database Administrator
> Hargrove Inc.
> www.hargroveinc.com
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From papparuff at attbi.com  Wed May 21 10:13:34 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 08:13:34 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956A00@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <004b01c31fab$8c69d2c0$6401a8c0@papparuff>

OK,

My next question, if you change the .LookIn property to search those
specific directories that the 182 dbs are in, is the program adding them
to the table?

But before you try that, if you haven't already, try this; change the
LookIn property from

        .FileName = "*.mda; *.mdb; *.mde; *.ldb"

To

        .FileName = "*.mda*; *.mdb*; *.mde*; *.ldb*"	' (place an
asterisk at the end of each ext)


  

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:02 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


I don't think you silly whatsoever.

The other 128 databases are in directories and subdirectories which sit
alongside those which are successfully being searched (all in one root
directory with no shares or other malarkey involved) There are no
different permissions on any of the folders or databases being ignored
versus those being returned. The user(s) testing the code have full
administrator permissions.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
Sent: 21 May 2003 15:47
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Roz,

Please don't think me silly, but...are the other 128 databases in
directories that were not specified in the .LookIn property.  Does the
person running the code have access to the directories that the other
databases are located?



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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 7:24 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


John

Thanks for this, Karen reports that it works beautifully in terms of
bringing back the additional info. It still only returns 152 of our 280
databases though! Gah!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 18:11
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Here's code that I tested and it seems to be working.  I have a table
called tbl_Files in which I want to place the name of the database
found, the directory it is located, it's size, when it was created, when
it was last modified, and when it was last accessed.

Private Sub cmdFileObject_Click()
' Provides the user Path, File Name,
' and File Size
' Insure there is a reference to the
' Microsoft Scripting Runtime
' Access 2000/2002
    On Error GoTo cmdFileObject_ERR

    Dim rst As ADODB.Command
    Dim fso As FileSystemObject
    Dim f1 As File
    Dim strFilePath As String
    Dim strFileName As String
    Dim strFileSize As String
    Dim datDateCreated As Date
    Dim datDateModified As Date
    Dim datDateAccessed As Date
    Dim I As Double

    Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
    Set rst = New ADODB.Command

    DoCmd.Hourglass True
    ' Create a recordset
    With rst
        .ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection
        .CommandType = adCmdText
        ' Create the SQL to delete any records in the table tbl_Files
        .CommandText = "DELETE * FROM tbl_Files"
        ' Delete the records
        .Execute
    End With

    With Application.FileSearch
        .NewSearch

	  ' There are over 50 subfolders where the databases reside
	  ' in this My work directory.
        .LookIn = "D:\Documents and Settings\John\My Documents\My Work"

        ' I want to search for all files that have .mda, .mdb, .mde
        ' and .ldb in their name.  Place a semicolon between each
        ' file type so that the FilesSearch will search all that
        ' you have specified
        .FileName = "*.mda; *.mdb; *.mde; *.ldb"

        .MatchTextExactly = False

	  ' FileType not required if you are using .FileName
	  ' with an extension
 '       .FileType = msoFileTypeAllFiles

	  ' Search all subfolders of My Work
        .SearchSubFolders = True

        If .Execute() > 0 Then
            For I = 1 To .FoundFiles.Count

                Set f1 = fso.GetFile(.FoundFiles(I))

                strFilePath = f1.ParentFolder
                strFileName = f1.Name
                strFileSize = f1.Size / 1000 ' Convert to KB
                datDateCreated = f1.DateCreated
                datDateModified = f1.DateLastModified
                datDateAccessed = f1.DateLastAccessed

                DoEvents

                ' SQL statement to insert the data into the tbl_Files
table
                rst.CommandText = "INSERT INTO tbl_Files " & _
                        "(FilePath, FileName, FileSize, DateCreated, " &
_
                        "DateLastModified, DateLastAccessed) " & _
                        "SELECT '" & _
                        strFilePath & "', '" & _
                        strFileName & " ', " & _
                        strFileSize & ", #" & _
                        datDateCreated & "#, #" & _
                        datDateModified & "#, #" & _
                        datDateAccessed & "#"
                ' Insert the record
                rst.Execute
           Next I
            MsgBox "Done. " & .FoundFiles.Count & " Records were added"
        Else
            MsgBox "No Files Found"
        End If
    End With


cmdFileObject_EXIT:

    On Error Resume Next
    DoCmd.Hourglass False
    Set rst = Nothing
    Exit Sub

cmdFileObject_ERR:

    If Err.Number = 70 Then ' Permission denied
        Resume Next
    End If
    MsgBox Error$

End Sub

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:56 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Well I'm running Office XP on WXP w/ Service Pack 1.

I can't think of any specific settings which would lead to the exclusion
of the particular databases I'm missing :(

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: 20 May 2003 16:48
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


That's interesting, Roz.  I just pulled your code out, changed the path
to point to a folder on my machine with mdbs in it, and got a zero for
the FoundFiles count.  And I had the same problem with Rocky's sample
database. It has to be a setting that is causing the failures some of us
are experiencing.  Now, if we could just figure out what it is ... :o{

Rocky, any suggestions?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:27 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames



Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but
Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:

  Dim varItem As Variant
  With Application.FileSearch
    .NewSearch
    .SearchSubFolders = True
    .FileName = "*.mdb"
    .LookIn = "G:\"
    .Execute
    'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
        strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & varItem
& "' )"
        'Debug.Print strSQL
        DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
    Next varItem
  End With

This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any
date info. But that's fine, I can live with that.

What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it
(yes, I know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but
the .FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked
in any sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky
behaviour you guys have experienced?!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
To: Roz Clarke
Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable. Find Files db


Was curious about the code.  Standing by...

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable. Find Files db


> The email or the code?
>
> I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out yet
> - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and
> now have
a
> stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
>
> I'll let you know!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> did it work?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> > cheers
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with a
> > .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.
> > Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > >
> > >
> > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Roz:
> > >
> > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > >
> > > Do you have another email address that might let these go through?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector"
> > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > unreadable.
> > Find
> > > Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company
> > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > >
> > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May 21 10:16:02 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 08:16:02 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Remembering place on a datasheet
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C339@infoserver01.infostat.local>

What is triggering the requery?  The way I generally do this in forms is
to store the key for that record in a variable and then after the
requery, I use recordsetclone navigation to set the bookmark back to the
record they were on.  I believe bookmarks get reshuffled in a requery,
because I've never been able to make using them that way work.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike and Doris Manning [mailto:mikedorism at ntelos.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 6:21 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Remembering place on a datasheet


I have created a datasheet for my users that works really well.  The
problem is that some users may have about 200 lines on there sheet.
Whenever the datasheet requeries, the record pointer floats back to the
top instead of remaining on the line the user was working with.

Anybody got any suggestions for how can I sneakily return the user back
to line they were working on to get around the requery problem?

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed May 21 10:17:51 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 08:17:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
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Roz:

What would happen if you moved all of the databases into a test directory.
Would the code retrieve all of them?  I'm wondering if its the directory
structure that's confusing the code or something about the dbs that are not
being retrieved.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:02 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


> I don't think you silly whatsoever.
>
> The other 128 databases are in directories and subdirectories which sit
> alongside those which are successfully being searched (all in one root
> directory with no shares or other malarkey involved) There are no
different
> permissions on any of the folders or databases being ignored versus those
> being returned. The user(s) testing the code have full administrator
> permissions.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com]
> Sent: 21 May 2003 15:47
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
> Roz,
>
> Please don't think me silly, but...are the other 128 databases in
> directories that were not specified in the .LookIn property.  Does the
> person running the code have access to the directories that the other
> databases are located?
>
>
>
> John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
> Always Looking For Contract Opportunities
>
> www.noclassroom.com
> Live software training
> Right over the Internet
>
> Home: 253.588.2139
> Cell: 253.307/2947
> 9306 Farwest Dr SW
> Lakewood, WA 98498
>
> "Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
> and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 7:24 AM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
> John
>
> Thanks for this, Karen reports that it works beautifully in terms of
> bringing back the additional info. It still only returns 152 of our 280
> databases though! Gah!
>
> Roz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 18:11
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
> Here's code that I tested and it seems to be working.  I have a table
called
> tbl_Files in which I want to place the name of the database found, the
> directory it is located, it's size, when it was created, when it was last
> modified, and when it was last accessed.
>
> Private Sub cmdFileObject_Click()
> ' Provides the user Path, File Name,
> ' and File Size
> ' Insure there is a reference to the
> ' Microsoft Scripting Runtime
> ' Access 2000/2002
>     On Error GoTo cmdFileObject_ERR
>
>     Dim rst As ADODB.Command
>     Dim fso As FileSystemObject
>     Dim f1 As File
>     Dim strFilePath As String
>     Dim strFileName As String
>     Dim strFileSize As String
>     Dim datDateCreated As Date
>     Dim datDateModified As Date
>     Dim datDateAccessed As Date
>     Dim I As Double
>
>     Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
>     Set rst = New ADODB.Command
>
>     DoCmd.Hourglass True
>     ' Create a recordset
>     With rst
>         .ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection
>         .CommandType = adCmdText
>         ' Create the SQL to delete any records in the table tbl_Files
>         .CommandText = "DELETE * FROM tbl_Files"
>         ' Delete the records
>         .Execute
>     End With
>
>     With Application.FileSearch
>         .NewSearch
>
>   ' There are over 50 subfolders where the databases reside
>   ' in this My work directory.
>         .LookIn = "D:\Documents and Settings\John\My Documents\My Work"
>
>         ' I want to search for all files that have .mda, .mdb, .mde
>         ' and .ldb in their name.  Place a semicolon between each
>         ' file type so that the FilesSearch will search all that
>         ' you have specified
>         .FileName = "*.mda; *.mdb; *.mde; *.ldb"
>
>         .MatchTextExactly = False
>
>   ' FileType not required if you are using .FileName
>   ' with an extension
>  '       .FileType = msoFileTypeAllFiles
>
>   ' Search all subfolders of My Work
>         .SearchSubFolders = True
>
>         If .Execute() > 0 Then
>             For I = 1 To .FoundFiles.Count
>
>                 Set f1 = fso.GetFile(.FoundFiles(I))
>
>                 strFilePath = f1.ParentFolder
>                 strFileName = f1.Name
>                 strFileSize = f1.Size / 1000 ' Convert to KB
>                 datDateCreated = f1.DateCreated
>                 datDateModified = f1.DateLastModified
>                 datDateAccessed = f1.DateLastAccessed
>
>                 DoEvents
>
>                 ' SQL statement to insert the data into the tbl_Files
table
>                 rst.CommandText = "INSERT INTO tbl_Files " & _
>                         "(FilePath, FileName, FileSize, DateCreated, " & _
>                         "DateLastModified, DateLastAccessed) " & _
>                         "SELECT '" & _
>                         strFilePath & "', '" & _
>                         strFileName & " ', " & _
>                         strFileSize & ", #" & _
>                         datDateCreated & "#, #" & _
>                         datDateModified & "#, #" & _
>                         datDateAccessed & "#"
>                 ' Insert the record
>                 rst.Execute
>            Next I
>             MsgBox "Done. " & .FoundFiles.Count & " Records were added"
>         Else
>             MsgBox "No Files Found"
>         End If
>     End With
>
>
> cmdFileObject_EXIT:
>
>     On Error Resume Next
>     DoCmd.Hourglass False
>     Set rst = Nothing
>     Exit Sub
>
> cmdFileObject_ERR:
>
>     If Err.Number = 70 Then ' Permission denied
>         Resume Next
>     End If
>     MsgBox Error$
>
> End Sub
>
> John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
> Always Looking For Contract Opportunities
>
> Home: 253.588.2139
> Cell: 253.307/2947
> 9306 Farwest Dr SW
> Lakewood, WA 98498
>
> "Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
>                 and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:56 AM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
> Well I'm running Office XP on WXP w/ Service Pack 1.
>
> I can't think of any specific settings which would lead to the exclusion
of
> the particular databases I'm missing :(
>
> Roz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 16:48
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
> That's interesting, Roz.  I just pulled your code out, changed the path to
> point to a folder on my machine with mdbs in it, and got a zero for the
> FoundFiles count.  And I had the same problem with Rocky's sample
database.
> It has to be a setting that is causing the failures some of us are
> experiencing.  Now, if we could just figure out what it is ... :o{
>
> Rocky, any suggestions?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:27 AM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
>
> Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but
> Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:
>
>   Dim varItem As Variant
>   With Application.FileSearch
>     .NewSearch
>     .SearchSubFolders = True
>     .FileName = "*.mdb"
>     .LookIn = "G:\"
>     .Execute
>     'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
>     DoCmd.SetWarnings False
>     For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
>         strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & varItem &
"'
> )"
>         'Debug.Print strSQL
>         DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
>     Next varItem
>   End With
>
> This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any date
> info. But that's fine, I can live with that.
>
> What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it (yes,
I
> know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but the
> .FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked in any
> sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky behaviour you
> guys have experienced?!
>
> Roz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
> Find Files db
>
>
> Was curious about the code.  Standing by...
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
> Find Files db
>
>
> > The email or the code?
> >
> > I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out yet
> > - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and
> > now have
> a
> > stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
> >
> > I'll let you know!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > did it work?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > cheers
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with a
> > > .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable.
> > > Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Roz:
> > > >
> > > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > > >
> > > > Do you have another email address that might let these go through?
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector"
> > > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > > unreadable.
> > > Find
> > > > Files db
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company
> > > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > > >
> > > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May 21 10:19:10 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 08:19:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] does Access allow Replace in sql window ?
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FA6@infoserver01.infostat.local>

There is a replace() function in Access 2000 and later, if that is what
you are thinking of.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 6:09 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] does Access allow Replace in sql window ?


I was pretty sure that it does, but I can't seem to remember/find how. I
need something like this

Edit tblTableName

Select *

Replace "Mash*" with "Masha"




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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed May 21 10:27:18 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 16:27:18 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956A01@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Um. Interesting q, but we can't test it as all sorts of things will break if
we move them and the server will blow up up we copy them.

What we can try, I guess, is move a couple of them from a 'not found' dir
into a 'found' dir and see if we get them... My gut feeling is it's the
directories not the files, since where it returns anything from a dir it
returns everything - all or nothing so to say.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: 21 May 2003 16:18
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Roz:

What would happen if you moved all of the databases into a test directory.
Would the code retrieve all of them?  I'm wondering if its the directory
structure that's confusing the code or something about the dbs that are not
being retrieved.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:02 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


> I don't think you silly whatsoever.
>
> The other 128 databases are in directories and subdirectories which 
> sit alongside those which are successfully being searched (all in one 
> root directory with no shares or other malarkey involved) There are no
different
> permissions on any of the folders or databases being ignored versus 
> those being returned. The user(s) testing the code have full 
> administrator permissions.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com]
> Sent: 21 May 2003 15:47
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
> Roz,
>
> Please don't think me silly, but...are the other 128 databases in 
> directories that were not specified in the .LookIn property.  Does the 
> person running the code have access to the directories that the other 
> databases are located?
>
>
>
> John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
> Always Looking For Contract Opportunities
>
> www.noclassroom.com
> Live software training
> Right over the Internet
>
> Home: 253.588.2139
> Cell: 253.307/2947
> 9306 Farwest Dr SW
> Lakewood, WA 98498
>
> "Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
> and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 7:24 AM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
> John
>
> Thanks for this, Karen reports that it works beautifully in terms of 
> bringing back the additional info. It still only returns 152 of our 
> 280 databases though! Gah!
>
> Roz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 18:11
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
> Here's code that I tested and it seems to be working.  I have a table
called
> tbl_Files in which I want to place the name of the database found, the 
> directory it is located, it's size, when it was created, when it was 
> last modified, and when it was last accessed.
>
> Private Sub cmdFileObject_Click()
> ' Provides the user Path, File Name,
> ' and File Size
> ' Insure there is a reference to the
> ' Microsoft Scripting Runtime
> ' Access 2000/2002
>     On Error GoTo cmdFileObject_ERR
>
>     Dim rst As ADODB.Command
>     Dim fso As FileSystemObject
>     Dim f1 As File
>     Dim strFilePath As String
>     Dim strFileName As String
>     Dim strFileSize As String
>     Dim datDateCreated As Date
>     Dim datDateModified As Date
>     Dim datDateAccessed As Date
>     Dim I As Double
>
>     Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
>     Set rst = New ADODB.Command
>
>     DoCmd.Hourglass True
>     ' Create a recordset
>     With rst
>         .ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection
>         .CommandType = adCmdText
>         ' Create the SQL to delete any records in the table tbl_Files
>         .CommandText = "DELETE * FROM tbl_Files"
>         ' Delete the records
>         .Execute
>     End With
>
>     With Application.FileSearch
>         .NewSearch
>
>   ' There are over 50 subfolders where the databases reside
>   ' in this My work directory.
>         .LookIn = "D:\Documents and Settings\John\My Documents\My 
> Work"
>
>         ' I want to search for all files that have .mda, .mdb, .mde
>         ' and .ldb in their name.  Place a semicolon between each
>         ' file type so that the FilesSearch will search all that
>         ' you have specified
>         .FileName = "*.mda; *.mdb; *.mde; *.ldb"
>
>         .MatchTextExactly = False
>
>   ' FileType not required if you are using .FileName
>   ' with an extension
>  '       .FileType = msoFileTypeAllFiles
>
>   ' Search all subfolders of My Work
>         .SearchSubFolders = True
>
>         If .Execute() > 0 Then
>             For I = 1 To .FoundFiles.Count
>
>                 Set f1 = fso.GetFile(.FoundFiles(I))
>
>                 strFilePath = f1.ParentFolder
>                 strFileName = f1.Name
>                 strFileSize = f1.Size / 1000 ' Convert to KB
>                 datDateCreated = f1.DateCreated
>                 datDateModified = f1.DateLastModified
>                 datDateAccessed = f1.DateLastAccessed
>
>                 DoEvents
>
>                 ' SQL statement to insert the data into the tbl_Files
table
>                 rst.CommandText = "INSERT INTO tbl_Files " & _
>                         "(FilePath, FileName, FileSize, DateCreated, " & _
>                         "DateLastModified, DateLastAccessed) " & _
>                         "SELECT '" & _
>                         strFilePath & "', '" & _
>                         strFileName & " ', " & _
>                         strFileSize & ", #" & _
>                         datDateCreated & "#, #" & _
>                         datDateModified & "#, #" & _
>                         datDateAccessed & "#"
>                 ' Insert the record
>                 rst.Execute
>            Next I
>             MsgBox "Done. " & .FoundFiles.Count & " Records were added"
>         Else
>             MsgBox "No Files Found"
>         End If
>     End With
>
>
> cmdFileObject_EXIT:
>
>     On Error Resume Next
>     DoCmd.Hourglass False
>     Set rst = Nothing
>     Exit Sub
>
> cmdFileObject_ERR:
>
>     If Err.Number = 70 Then ' Permission denied
>         Resume Next
>     End If
>     MsgBox Error$
>
> End Sub
>
> John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
> Always Looking For Contract Opportunities
>
> Home: 253.588.2139
> Cell: 253.307/2947
> 9306 Farwest Dr SW
> Lakewood, WA 98498
>
> "Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
>                 and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:56 AM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
> Well I'm running Office XP on WXP w/ Service Pack 1.
>
> I can't think of any specific settings which would lead to the 
> exclusion
of
> the particular databases I'm missing :(
>
> Roz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 16:48
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
> That's interesting, Roz.  I just pulled your code out, changed the 
> path to point to a folder on my machine with mdbs in it, and got a 
> zero for the FoundFiles count.  And I had the same problem with 
> Rocky's sample
database.
> It has to be a setting that is causing the failures some of us are 
> experiencing.  Now, if we could just figure out what it is ... :o{
>
> Rocky, any suggestions?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:27 AM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
>
> Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but 
> Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:
>
>   Dim varItem As Variant
>   With Application.FileSearch
>     .NewSearch
>     .SearchSubFolders = True
>     .FileName = "*.mdb"
>     .LookIn = "G:\"
>     .Execute
>     'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
>     DoCmd.SetWarnings False
>     For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
>         strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & 
> varItem &
"'
> )"
>         'Debug.Print strSQL
>         DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
>     Next varItem
>   End With
>
> This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any 
> date info. But that's fine, I can live with that.
>
> What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it 
> (yes,
I
> know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but the 
> .FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked in 
> any sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky 
> behaviour you guys have experienced?!
>
> Roz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> Was curious about the code.  Standing by...
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> > The email or the code?
> >
> > I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out 
> > yet
> > - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and
> > now have
> a
> > stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
> >
> > I'll let you know!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > did it work?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > cheers
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with 
> > > a .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable.
> > > Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Roz:
> > > >
> > > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > > >
> > > > Do you have another email address that might let these go 
> > > > through?
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector" 
> > > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > > unreadable.
> > > Find
> > > > Files db
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company 
> > > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > > >
> > > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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From delliker at hotmail.com  Wed May 21 10:27:25 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 11:27:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Remembering place on a datasheet
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May 21 10:32:05 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 08:32:05 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C33A@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Um, if you're already in a method of the object, why do you need to hit
shift+F2?  And is this VS.Net or VS 6?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 6:02 AM
To: VBA; AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method


In Access placing the insertion pointer in a method of an object and
hitting shft-F2 takes you to that method of that object (to the code).
It actually takes you to anything, variable etc.  According to the help
file "shortcut keys" this is supposed to work in the Visual Studio
editor as well, and I could swear that I have used it, but I am not
getting it to work now.  Is this supposed to work the same way as in the
Access VBA editor?

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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed May 21 10:32:17 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 16:32:17 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956A03@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Yep, as expected, when we move the files into one of the directories it
likes, it finds it OK.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: 21 May 2003 16:18
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Roz:

What would happen if you moved all of the databases into a test directory.
Would the code retrieve all of them?  I'm wondering if its the directory
structure that's confusing the code or something about the dbs that are not
being retrieved.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:02 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


> I don't think you silly whatsoever.
>
> The other 128 databases are in directories and subdirectories which 
> sit alongside those which are successfully being searched (all in one 
> root directory with no shares or other malarkey involved) There are no
different
> permissions on any of the folders or databases being ignored versus 
> those being returned. The user(s) testing the code have full 
> administrator permissions.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com]
> Sent: 21 May 2003 15:47
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
> Roz,
>
> Please don't think me silly, but...are the other 128 databases in 
> directories that were not specified in the .LookIn property.  Does the 
> person running the code have access to the directories that the other 
> databases are located?
>
>
>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 7:24 AM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
> John
>
> Thanks for this, Karen reports that it works beautifully in terms of 
> bringing back the additional info. It still only returns 152 of our 
> 280 databases though! Gah!
>
> Roz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 18:11
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
> Here's code that I tested and it seems to be working.  I have a table
called
> tbl_Files in which I want to place the name of the database found, the 
> directory it is located, it's size, when it was created, when it was 
> last modified, and when it was last accessed.
>
> Private Sub cmdFileObject_Click()
> ' Provides the user Path, File Name,
> ' and File Size
> ' Insure there is a reference to the
> ' Microsoft Scripting Runtime
> ' Access 2000/2002
>     On Error GoTo cmdFileObject_ERR
>
>     Dim rst As ADODB.Command
>     Dim fso As FileSystemObject
>     Dim f1 As File
>     Dim strFilePath As String
>     Dim strFileName As String
>     Dim strFileSize As String
>     Dim datDateCreated As Date
>     Dim datDateModified As Date
>     Dim datDateAccessed As Date
>     Dim I As Double
>
>     Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
>     Set rst = New ADODB.Command
>
>     DoCmd.Hourglass True
>     ' Create a recordset
>     With rst
>         .ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection
>         .CommandType = adCmdText
>         ' Create the SQL to delete any records in the table tbl_Files
>         .CommandText = "DELETE * FROM tbl_Files"
>         ' Delete the records
>         .Execute
>     End With
>
>     With Application.FileSearch
>         .NewSearch
>
>   ' There are over 50 subfolders where the databases reside
>   ' in this My work directory.
>         .LookIn = "D:\Documents and Settings\John\My Documents\My 
> Work"
>
>         ' I want to search for all files that have .mda, .mdb, .mde
>         ' and .ldb in their name.  Place a semicolon between each
>         ' file type so that the FilesSearch will search all that
>         ' you have specified
>         .FileName = "*.mda; *.mdb; *.mde; *.ldb"
>
>         .MatchTextExactly = False
>
>   ' FileType not required if you are using .FileName
>   ' with an extension
>  '       .FileType = msoFileTypeAllFiles
>
>   ' Search all subfolders of My Work
>         .SearchSubFolders = True
>
>         If .Execute() > 0 Then
>             For I = 1 To .FoundFiles.Count
>
>                 Set f1 = fso.GetFile(.FoundFiles(I))
>
>                 strFilePath = f1.ParentFolder
>                 strFileName = f1.Name
>                 strFileSize = f1.Size / 1000 ' Convert to KB
>                 datDateCreated = f1.DateCreated
>                 datDateModified = f1.DateLastModified
>                 datDateAccessed = f1.DateLastAccessed
>
>                 DoEvents
>
>                 ' SQL statement to insert the data into the tbl_Files
table
>                 rst.CommandText = "INSERT INTO tbl_Files " & _
>                         "(FilePath, FileName, FileSize, DateCreated, " & _
>                         "DateLastModified, DateLastAccessed) " & _
>                         "SELECT '" & _
>                         strFilePath & "', '" & _
>                         strFileName & " ', " & _
>                         strFileSize & ", #" & _
>                         datDateCreated & "#, #" & _
>                         datDateModified & "#, #" & _
>                         datDateAccessed & "#"
>                 ' Insert the record
>                 rst.Execute
>            Next I
>             MsgBox "Done. " & .FoundFiles.Count & " Records were added"
>         Else
>             MsgBox "No Files Found"
>         End If
>     End With
>
>
> cmdFileObject_EXIT:
>
>     On Error Resume Next
>     DoCmd.Hourglass False
>     Set rst = Nothing
>     Exit Sub
>
> cmdFileObject_ERR:
>
>     If Err.Number = 70 Then ' Permission denied
>         Resume Next
>     End If
>     MsgBox Error$
>
> End Sub
>
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>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:56 AM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
> Well I'm running Office XP on WXP w/ Service Pack 1.
>
> I can't think of any specific settings which would lead to the 
> exclusion
of
> the particular databases I'm missing :(
>
> Roz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 16:48
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
> That's interesting, Roz.  I just pulled your code out, changed the 
> path to point to a folder on my machine with mdbs in it, and got a 
> zero for the FoundFiles count.  And I had the same problem with 
> Rocky's sample
database.
> It has to be a setting that is causing the failures some of us are 
> experiencing.  Now, if we could just figure out what it is ... :o{
>
> Rocky, any suggestions?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:27 AM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
>
> Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but 
> Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:
>
>   Dim varItem As Variant
>   With Application.FileSearch
>     .NewSearch
>     .SearchSubFolders = True
>     .FileName = "*.mdb"
>     .LookIn = "G:\"
>     .Execute
>     'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
>     DoCmd.SetWarnings False
>     For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
>         strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & 
> varItem &
"'
> )"
>         'Debug.Print strSQL
>         DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
>     Next varItem
>   End With
>
> This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any 
> date info. But that's fine, I can live with that.
>
> What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it 
> (yes,
I
> know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but the 
> .FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked in 
> any sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky 
> behaviour you guys have experienced?!
>
> Roz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> Was curious about the code.  Standing by...
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> > The email or the code?
> >
> > I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out 
> > yet
> > - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and
> > now have
> a
> > stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
> >
> > I'll let you know!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > did it work?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > cheers
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with 
> > > a .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable.
> > > Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Roz:
> > > >
> > > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > > >
> > > > Do you have another email address that might let these go 
> > > > through?
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector" 
> > > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > > unreadable.
> > > Find
> > > > Files db
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company 
> > > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > > >
> > > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed May 21 10:39:41 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 16:39:41 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956A04@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

OK... My original code returns all the files from that directory plus some
files from a couple of other directories we *didn't* ask it to look in...

Your code finds them all spot-on, but only if we specify the lowest level
directory.

Adding the asterisk on the end dint help. :(

-----Original Message-----
From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
Sent: 21 May 2003 16:14
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


OK,

My next question, if you change the .LookIn property to search those
specific directories that the 182 dbs are in, is the program adding them to
the table?

But before you try that, if you haven't already, try this; change the LookIn
property from

        .FileName = "*.mda; *.mdb; *.mde; *.ldb"

To

        .FileName = "*.mda*; *.mdb*; *.mde*; *.ldb*"	' (place an
asterisk at the end of each ext)


  

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:02 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


I don't think you silly whatsoever.

The other 128 databases are in directories and subdirectories which sit
alongside those which are successfully being searched (all in one root
directory with no shares or other malarkey involved) There are no different
permissions on any of the folders or databases being ignored versus those
being returned. The user(s) testing the code have full administrator
permissions.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
Sent: 21 May 2003 15:47
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Roz,

Please don't think me silly, but...are the other 128 databases in
directories that were not specified in the .LookIn property.  Does the
person running the code have access to the directories that the other
databases are located?



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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 7:24 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


John

Thanks for this, Karen reports that it works beautifully in terms of
bringing back the additional info. It still only returns 152 of our 280
databases though! Gah!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 18:11
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Here's code that I tested and it seems to be working.  I have a table called
tbl_Files in which I want to place the name of the database found, the
directory it is located, it's size, when it was created, when it was last
modified, and when it was last accessed.

Private Sub cmdFileObject_Click()
' Provides the user Path, File Name,
' and File Size
' Insure there is a reference to the
' Microsoft Scripting Runtime
' Access 2000/2002
    On Error GoTo cmdFileObject_ERR

    Dim rst As ADODB.Command
    Dim fso As FileSystemObject
    Dim f1 As File
    Dim strFilePath As String
    Dim strFileName As String
    Dim strFileSize As String
    Dim datDateCreated As Date
    Dim datDateModified As Date
    Dim datDateAccessed As Date
    Dim I As Double

    Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
    Set rst = New ADODB.Command

    DoCmd.Hourglass True
    ' Create a recordset
    With rst
        .ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection
        .CommandType = adCmdText
        ' Create the SQL to delete any records in the table tbl_Files
        .CommandText = "DELETE * FROM tbl_Files"
        ' Delete the records
        .Execute
    End With

    With Application.FileSearch
        .NewSearch

	  ' There are over 50 subfolders where the databases reside
	  ' in this My work directory.
        .LookIn = "D:\Documents and Settings\John\My Documents\My Work"

        ' I want to search for all files that have .mda, .mdb, .mde
        ' and .ldb in their name.  Place a semicolon between each
        ' file type so that the FilesSearch will search all that
        ' you have specified
        .FileName = "*.mda; *.mdb; *.mde; *.ldb"

        .MatchTextExactly = False

	  ' FileType not required if you are using .FileName
	  ' with an extension
 '       .FileType = msoFileTypeAllFiles

	  ' Search all subfolders of My Work
        .SearchSubFolders = True

        If .Execute() > 0 Then
            For I = 1 To .FoundFiles.Count

                Set f1 = fso.GetFile(.FoundFiles(I))

                strFilePath = f1.ParentFolder
                strFileName = f1.Name
                strFileSize = f1.Size / 1000 ' Convert to KB
                datDateCreated = f1.DateCreated
                datDateModified = f1.DateLastModified
                datDateAccessed = f1.DateLastAccessed

                DoEvents

                ' SQL statement to insert the data into the tbl_Files table
                rst.CommandText = "INSERT INTO tbl_Files " & _
                        "(FilePath, FileName, FileSize, DateCreated, " & _
                        "DateLastModified, DateLastAccessed) " & _
                        "SELECT '" & _
                        strFilePath & "', '" & _
                        strFileName & " ', " & _
                        strFileSize & ", #" & _
                        datDateCreated & "#, #" & _
                        datDateModified & "#, #" & _
                        datDateAccessed & "#"
                ' Insert the record
                rst.Execute
           Next I
            MsgBox "Done. " & .FoundFiles.Count & " Records were added"
        Else
            MsgBox "No Files Found"
        End If
    End With


cmdFileObject_EXIT:

    On Error Resume Next
    DoCmd.Hourglass False
    Set rst = Nothing
    Exit Sub

cmdFileObject_ERR:

    If Err.Number = 70 Then ' Permission denied
        Resume Next
    End If
    MsgBox Error$

End Sub

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:56 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Well I'm running Office XP on WXP w/ Service Pack 1.

I can't think of any specific settings which would lead to the exclusion of
the particular databases I'm missing :(

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: 20 May 2003 16:48
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


That's interesting, Roz.  I just pulled your code out, changed the path to
point to a folder on my machine with mdbs in it, and got a zero for the
FoundFiles count.  And I had the same problem with Rocky's sample database.
It has to be a setting that is causing the failures some of us are
experiencing.  Now, if we could just figure out what it is ... :o{

Rocky, any suggestions?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:27 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames



Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but
Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:

  Dim varItem As Variant
  With Application.FileSearch
    .NewSearch
    .SearchSubFolders = True
    .FileName = "*.mdb"
    .LookIn = "G:\"
    .Execute
    'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
        strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & varItem & "'
)"
        'Debug.Print strSQL
        DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
    Next varItem
  End With

This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any date
info. But that's fine, I can live with that.

What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it (yes, I
know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but the
.FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked in any
sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky behaviour you
guys have experienced?!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
To: Roz Clarke
Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


Was curious about the code.  Standing by...

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


> The email or the code?
>
> I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out yet
> - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and 
> now have
a
> stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
>
> I'll let you know!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> did it work?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> > cheers
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with a 
> > .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.
> > Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > >
> > >
> > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Roz:
> > >
> > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > >
> > > Do you have another email address that might let these go through?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector" 
> > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable.
> > Find
> > > Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company 
> > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > >
> > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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From Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com  Wed May 21 10:48:52 2003
From: Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com (Lavsa, Rich)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 11:48:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] does Access allow Replace in sql window ?
Message-ID: <833956F5C117124A89417638FDB11290EBCE84@goexchange.pghcorning.com>

Why not try an update query.. 

fill in the appropriate TableName and Fieldnames... 
please back up before you try and it, if you try it..

something like this I think will work..

UPDATE TableName SET TableName.FieldName = "Masha"
WHERE (((TableName.FieldName)="Mash"));



-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 10:09 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] does Access allow Replace in sql window ?


I was pretty sure that it does, but I can't seem to remember/find how.
I need something like this

Edit tblTableName

Select *

Replace "Mash*" with "Masha"




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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed May 21 10:49:41 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 16:49:41 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956A05@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Interesting fact just spotted... All of the directories it doesn't look in
are those which come after M in the alphabet and are coming from the root
folder, and their sub-directories.

It's as if it gets so far and just stops. Any way to troubleshoot what it's
doing? Why it's breaking?

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: 21 May 2003 16:40
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


OK... My original code returns all the files from that directory plus some
files from a couple of other directories we *didn't* ask it to look in...

Your code finds them all spot-on, but only if we specify the lowest level
directory.

Adding the asterisk on the end dint help. :(

-----Original Message-----
From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
Sent: 21 May 2003 16:14
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


OK,

My next question, if you change the .LookIn property to search those
specific directories that the 182 dbs are in, is the program adding them to
the table?

But before you try that, if you haven't already, try this; change the LookIn
property from

        .FileName = "*.mda; *.mdb; *.mde; *.ldb"

To

        .FileName = "*.mda*; *.mdb*; *.mde*; *.ldb*"	' (place an
asterisk at the end of each ext)


  

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:02 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


I don't think you silly whatsoever.

The other 128 databases are in directories and subdirectories which sit
alongside those which are successfully being searched (all in one root
directory with no shares or other malarkey involved) There are no different
permissions on any of the folders or databases being ignored versus those
being returned. The user(s) testing the code have full administrator
permissions.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
Sent: 21 May 2003 15:47
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Roz,

Please don't think me silly, but...are the other 128 databases in
directories that were not specified in the .LookIn property.  Does the
person running the code have access to the directories that the other
databases are located?



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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 7:24 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


John

Thanks for this, Karen reports that it works beautifully in terms of
bringing back the additional info. It still only returns 152 of our 280
databases though! Gah!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 18:11
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Here's code that I tested and it seems to be working.  I have a table called
tbl_Files in which I want to place the name of the database found, the
directory it is located, it's size, when it was created, when it was last
modified, and when it was last accessed.

Private Sub cmdFileObject_Click()
' Provides the user Path, File Name,
' and File Size
' Insure there is a reference to the
' Microsoft Scripting Runtime
' Access 2000/2002
    On Error GoTo cmdFileObject_ERR

    Dim rst As ADODB.Command
    Dim fso As FileSystemObject
    Dim f1 As File
    Dim strFilePath As String
    Dim strFileName As String
    Dim strFileSize As String
    Dim datDateCreated As Date
    Dim datDateModified As Date
    Dim datDateAccessed As Date
    Dim I As Double

    Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
    Set rst = New ADODB.Command

    DoCmd.Hourglass True
    ' Create a recordset
    With rst
        .ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection
        .CommandType = adCmdText
        ' Create the SQL to delete any records in the table tbl_Files
        .CommandText = "DELETE * FROM tbl_Files"
        ' Delete the records
        .Execute
    End With

    With Application.FileSearch
        .NewSearch

	  ' There are over 50 subfolders where the databases reside
	  ' in this My work directory.
        .LookIn = "D:\Documents and Settings\John\My Documents\My Work"

        ' I want to search for all files that have .mda, .mdb, .mde
        ' and .ldb in their name.  Place a semicolon between each
        ' file type so that the FilesSearch will search all that
        ' you have specified
        .FileName = "*.mda; *.mdb; *.mde; *.ldb"

        .MatchTextExactly = False

	  ' FileType not required if you are using .FileName
	  ' with an extension
 '       .FileType = msoFileTypeAllFiles

	  ' Search all subfolders of My Work
        .SearchSubFolders = True

        If .Execute() > 0 Then
            For I = 1 To .FoundFiles.Count

                Set f1 = fso.GetFile(.FoundFiles(I))

                strFilePath = f1.ParentFolder
                strFileName = f1.Name
                strFileSize = f1.Size / 1000 ' Convert to KB
                datDateCreated = f1.DateCreated
                datDateModified = f1.DateLastModified
                datDateAccessed = f1.DateLastAccessed

                DoEvents

                ' SQL statement to insert the data into the tbl_Files table
                rst.CommandText = "INSERT INTO tbl_Files " & _
                        "(FilePath, FileName, FileSize, DateCreated, " & _
                        "DateLastModified, DateLastAccessed) " & _
                        "SELECT '" & _
                        strFilePath & "', '" & _
                        strFileName & " ', " & _
                        strFileSize & ", #" & _
                        datDateCreated & "#, #" & _
                        datDateModified & "#, #" & _
                        datDateAccessed & "#"
                ' Insert the record
                rst.Execute
           Next I
            MsgBox "Done. " & .FoundFiles.Count & " Records were added"
        Else
            MsgBox "No Files Found"
        End If
    End With


cmdFileObject_EXIT:

    On Error Resume Next
    DoCmd.Hourglass False
    Set rst = Nothing
    Exit Sub

cmdFileObject_ERR:

    If Err.Number = 70 Then ' Permission denied
        Resume Next
    End If
    MsgBox Error$

End Sub

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:56 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Well I'm running Office XP on WXP w/ Service Pack 1.

I can't think of any specific settings which would lead to the exclusion of
the particular databases I'm missing :(

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: 20 May 2003 16:48
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


That's interesting, Roz.  I just pulled your code out, changed the path to
point to a folder on my machine with mdbs in it, and got a zero for the
FoundFiles count.  And I had the same problem with Rocky's sample database.
It has to be a setting that is causing the failures some of us are
experiencing.  Now, if we could just figure out what it is ... :o{

Rocky, any suggestions?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:27 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames



Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but
Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:

  Dim varItem As Variant
  With Application.FileSearch
    .NewSearch
    .SearchSubFolders = True
    .FileName = "*.mdb"
    .LookIn = "G:\"
    .Execute
    'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
        strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & varItem & "'
)"
        'Debug.Print strSQL
        DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
    Next varItem
  End With

This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any date
info. But that's fine, I can live with that.

What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it (yes, I
know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but the
.FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked in any
sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky behaviour you
guys have experienced?!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
To: Roz Clarke
Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


Was curious about the code.  Standing by...

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


> The email or the code?
>
> I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out yet
> - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and
> now have
a
> stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
>
> I'll let you know!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> did it work?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> > cheers
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with a
> > .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.
> > Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > >
> > >
> > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Roz:
> > >
> > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > >
> > > Do you have another email address that might let these go through?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector"
> > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable.
> > Find
> > > Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company
> > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > >
> > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed May 21 10:51:27 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 16:51:27 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956A06@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

PS it returns FILES in the root folder starting with N-Z, just not anything
in folders. Does it return files first before looking in folders? They don't
get written into the table in any particular order.

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: 21 May 2003 16:40
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


OK... My original code returns all the files from that directory plus some
files from a couple of other directories we *didn't* ask it to look in...

Your code finds them all spot-on, but only if we specify the lowest level
directory.

Adding the asterisk on the end dint help. :(

-----Original Message-----
From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
Sent: 21 May 2003 16:14
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


OK,

My next question, if you change the .LookIn property to search those
specific directories that the 182 dbs are in, is the program adding them to
the table?

But before you try that, if you haven't already, try this; change the LookIn
property from

        .FileName = "*.mda; *.mdb; *.mde; *.ldb"

To

        .FileName = "*.mda*; *.mdb*; *.mde*; *.ldb*"	' (place an
asterisk at the end of each ext)


  

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:02 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


I don't think you silly whatsoever.

The other 128 databases are in directories and subdirectories which sit
alongside those which are successfully being searched (all in one root
directory with no shares or other malarkey involved) There are no different
permissions on any of the folders or databases being ignored versus those
being returned. The user(s) testing the code have full administrator
permissions.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
Sent: 21 May 2003 15:47
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Roz,

Please don't think me silly, but...are the other 128 databases in
directories that were not specified in the .LookIn property.  Does the
person running the code have access to the directories that the other
databases are located?



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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 7:24 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


John

Thanks for this, Karen reports that it works beautifully in terms of
bringing back the additional info. It still only returns 152 of our 280
databases though! Gah!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 18:11
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Here's code that I tested and it seems to be working.  I have a table called
tbl_Files in which I want to place the name of the database found, the
directory it is located, it's size, when it was created, when it was last
modified, and when it was last accessed.

Private Sub cmdFileObject_Click()
' Provides the user Path, File Name,
' and File Size
' Insure there is a reference to the
' Microsoft Scripting Runtime
' Access 2000/2002
    On Error GoTo cmdFileObject_ERR

    Dim rst As ADODB.Command
    Dim fso As FileSystemObject
    Dim f1 As File
    Dim strFilePath As String
    Dim strFileName As String
    Dim strFileSize As String
    Dim datDateCreated As Date
    Dim datDateModified As Date
    Dim datDateAccessed As Date
    Dim I As Double

    Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
    Set rst = New ADODB.Command

    DoCmd.Hourglass True
    ' Create a recordset
    With rst
        .ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection
        .CommandType = adCmdText
        ' Create the SQL to delete any records in the table tbl_Files
        .CommandText = "DELETE * FROM tbl_Files"
        ' Delete the records
        .Execute
    End With

    With Application.FileSearch
        .NewSearch

	  ' There are over 50 subfolders where the databases reside
	  ' in this My work directory.
        .LookIn = "D:\Documents and Settings\John\My Documents\My Work"

        ' I want to search for all files that have .mda, .mdb, .mde
        ' and .ldb in their name.  Place a semicolon between each
        ' file type so that the FilesSearch will search all that
        ' you have specified
        .FileName = "*.mda; *.mdb; *.mde; *.ldb"

        .MatchTextExactly = False

	  ' FileType not required if you are using .FileName
	  ' with an extension
 '       .FileType = msoFileTypeAllFiles

	  ' Search all subfolders of My Work
        .SearchSubFolders = True

        If .Execute() > 0 Then
            For I = 1 To .FoundFiles.Count

                Set f1 = fso.GetFile(.FoundFiles(I))

                strFilePath = f1.ParentFolder
                strFileName = f1.Name
                strFileSize = f1.Size / 1000 ' Convert to KB
                datDateCreated = f1.DateCreated
                datDateModified = f1.DateLastModified
                datDateAccessed = f1.DateLastAccessed

                DoEvents

                ' SQL statement to insert the data into the tbl_Files table
                rst.CommandText = "INSERT INTO tbl_Files " & _
                        "(FilePath, FileName, FileSize, DateCreated, " & _
                        "DateLastModified, DateLastAccessed) " & _
                        "SELECT '" & _
                        strFilePath & "', '" & _
                        strFileName & " ', " & _
                        strFileSize & ", #" & _
                        datDateCreated & "#, #" & _
                        datDateModified & "#, #" & _
                        datDateAccessed & "#"
                ' Insert the record
                rst.Execute
           Next I
            MsgBox "Done. " & .FoundFiles.Count & " Records were added"
        Else
            MsgBox "No Files Found"
        End If
    End With


cmdFileObject_EXIT:

    On Error Resume Next
    DoCmd.Hourglass False
    Set rst = Nothing
    Exit Sub

cmdFileObject_ERR:

    If Err.Number = 70 Then ' Permission denied
        Resume Next
    End If
    MsgBox Error$

End Sub

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:56 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Well I'm running Office XP on WXP w/ Service Pack 1.

I can't think of any specific settings which would lead to the exclusion of
the particular databases I'm missing :(

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: 20 May 2003 16:48
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


That's interesting, Roz.  I just pulled your code out, changed the path to
point to a folder on my machine with mdbs in it, and got a zero for the
FoundFiles count.  And I had the same problem with Rocky's sample database.
It has to be a setting that is causing the failures some of us are
experiencing.  Now, if we could just figure out what it is ... :o{

Rocky, any suggestions?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:27 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames



Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but
Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:

  Dim varItem As Variant
  With Application.FileSearch
    .NewSearch
    .SearchSubFolders = True
    .FileName = "*.mdb"
    .LookIn = "G:\"
    .Execute
    'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
        strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & varItem & "'
)"
        'Debug.Print strSQL
        DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
    Next varItem
  End With

This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any date
info. But that's fine, I can live with that.

What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it (yes, I
know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but the
.FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked in any
sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky behaviour you
guys have experienced?!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
To: Roz Clarke
Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


Was curious about the code.  Standing by...

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


> The email or the code?
>
> I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out yet
> - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and
> now have
a
> stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
>
> I'll let you know!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> did it work?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> > cheers
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with a
> > .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.
> > Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > >
> > >
> > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Roz:
> > >
> > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > >
> > > Do you have another email address that might let these go through?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector"
> > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable.
> > Find
> > > Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company
> > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > >
> > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed May 21 10:51:53 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 11:51:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C33A@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEEFDNAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Shft F2 is supposed to take you to the object under the cursor (for editing,
not "stepping" in debug).  So if I am in functionA and am writing the text
MyObj.MyMethod, I place the cursor over .MyMethod and hit Shft-F2 and the
editor moves the focus to that method.  It is a quick and easy way to go
look at the code, open the module etc.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 11:32 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method


Um, if you're already in a method of the object, why do you need to hit
shift+F2?  And is this VS.Net or VS 6?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 6:02 AM
To: VBA; AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method


In Access placing the insertion pointer in a method of an object and
hitting shft-F2 takes you to that method of that object (to the code).
It actually takes you to anything, variable etc.  According to the help
file "shortcut keys" this is supposed to work in the Visual Studio
editor as well, and I could swear that I have used it, but I am not
getting it to work now.  Is this supposed to work the same way as in the
Access VBA editor?

John W. Colby
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Wed May 21 10:58:43 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 08:58:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
In-Reply-To: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F3583C@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <20030521155843.69041.qmail@web13403.mail.yahoo.com>

I have two ferrets now....Herding them is sorta like
herding cats....hehehe

It was easier to herd my iguanas....heheeh

--- "Wortz, Charles" <CWortz at tea.state.tx.us> wrote:
> A juicy tidbit at the spot where you want the ferret
> to go will work.
> 
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elam, Debbie [mailto:DElam at jenkens.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 21 08:17
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> lines
> 
> Yes but how would you get them to stop playing with
> the cable, much less
> get them out the correct spot if at all.  I have
> heard ferrets were used
> to string cable in tight places, but I am still
> trying to figure out how
> they were trained.  Ferrets are smart, but do not
> take direction well,
> and consider anything and everything a toy.
> 
> Debbie
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nancy Lytle [mailto:nancy.lytle at auatac.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:27 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> lines
> 
> 
> On a lighter note, for those really tight places for
> stringing cables -
> walls and low ceilings-, why not use a ferret, they
> can get into the
> most unusual places, they work on the cheap, on the
> other hand they can
> be tempermental.
> 
> N Lytle :))
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:57 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> lines
> 
> 
> True enough - we only had to get across 2x4
> stringers, luckily the
> rafters/upper floor bearers (2x10) ran the other
> way.  The car
> negotiated the 2x4s without a problem.
> 
> I would NEVER suggest running data through power
> conduit.  Guess we were
> lucky again in that the house is full brick and
> there is a "fair" 10mm
> gap between the skins, the only obstacle to vertical
> drops being the
> brickies ties.  Brick veneer and etc with studded
> walls is always a
> problem for any vertical cabling - I usually have
> opted for "dress"
> conduit except in the rare cases where I felt the
> job was worth
> replastering the wall.
> 
> Bruce
> P.s. I have done it for a living.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> III
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:37 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> lines
> 
> 
> That works fine for an office build.  But RC cars
> don't work well in raftered house ceilings.  Most
> houses here use 2x6s or 2x8s for rafters.  Or at
> least
> most of the ones that I've seen.
> 
> If you're running network lines down the same
> conduit
> as electrical wiring you're violating about a dozen
> fire and safety codes.  Not to mention every basic
> rule of network wiring that there is.
> 
> Electrical wiring, ESPECIALLY two-phase and
> three-phase wiring emit large amounts of RF.  RF
> kills
> data integrity.  One of the most basic rules of
> network wiring is NEVER string your network wires
> across power conduits, junction boxes, or lighting
> fixtures.  Don't believe me?  Ask anyone that does
> it
> for a living.  You, physically, can do it, but you
> shouldn't.  You're asking for trouble.
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May 21 11:10:21 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 09:10:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FAA@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Ah, I didn't understand what you were describing.  So it doesn't work
that way in VS.Net?  It does in VS6.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 7:52 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method


Shft F2 is supposed to take you to the object under the cursor (for
editing, not "stepping" in debug).  So if I am in functionA and am
writing the text MyObj.MyMethod, I place the cursor over .MyMethod and
hit Shft-F2 and the editor moves the focus to that method.  It is a
quick and easy way to go look at the code, open the module etc.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 11:32 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method


Um, if you're already in a method of the object, why do you need to hit
shift+F2?  And is this VS.Net or VS 6?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 6:02 AM
To: VBA; AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method


In Access placing the insertion pointer in a method of an object and
hitting shft-F2 takes you to that method of that object (to the code).
It actually takes you to anything, variable etc.  According to the help
file "shortcut keys" this is supposed to work in the Visual Studio
editor as well, and I could swear that I have used it, but I am not
getting it to work now.  Is this supposed to work the same way as in the
Access VBA editor?

John W. Colby
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From delliker at hotmail.com  Wed May 21 11:15:35 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 12:15:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting an array from a calback function
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From nkling at co.montgomery.ny.us  Wed May 21 11:22:56 2003
From: nkling at co.montgomery.ny.us (Neal Kling)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 12:22:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting an array from a calback function
Message-ID: <0EAA9F4906BA554FA26E6F9F2C5403022BD5EB@elmo.co.montgomery.ny.us>

Here are various array sorting routines which I robbed from Neatcode.mdb
which is a sample database that has been floating around for years.
 
Neal Kling
Lotus, isn't that some kind of fancy flower?
 
Sub BubbleSort(A() As Integer)
'
' Slowest Sort: n^2 comparisons
'
' Calling convention:
'   Redim A(1 To 20) as Integer
'   BubbleSort A()
'
Dim i As Integer, J As Integer, Low As Integer, Hi As Integer, Temp As
Integer
  Low = LBound(A)
  Hi = UBound(A)
  For i = Low To Hi - 1
    For J = i + 1 To Hi
      If A(i) > A(J) Then
        Temp = A(i)
        A(i) = A(J)
        A(J) = Temp
      End If
    Next J
  Next i
End Sub
 
Sub BubbleSort2(A() As Integer)
'
' Slowest Sort: n^2 comparisons
' Implements early cut-off
'
' Calling convention:
'   Redim A(1 To 20) As Integer
'   BubbleSort2 A()
'
Dim i As Integer, J As Integer, Low As Integer, Hi As Integer
Dim Temp As Integer, Swapped As Integer
  Low = LBound(A)
  Hi = UBound(A)
  For i = Low To Hi - 1
    Swapped = False
    For J = i + 1 To Hi
      If A(i) > A(J) Then
        Temp = A(i)
        A(i) = A(J)
        A(J) = Temp
        Swapped = True
      End If
    Next J
    If Not Swapped Then Exit Sub
  Next i
End Sub
 

Sub QuickSort(A() As Integer, ByVal Low As Integer, ByVal Hi As Integer)
'
' Very fast sort: n Log n comparisons
'
' Calling convention:
'   Redim A(1 To 20) as Integer
'   QuickSort A(), 1, 20
'
Dim MidValue As Integer, i As Integer, J As Integer, Temp As Integer
  If Hi <= Low Then Exit Sub
  MidValue = A((Low + Hi) \ 2)
  i = Low
  J = Hi
  Do While i <= J
    If A(i) >= MidValue And A(J) <= MidValue Then
      Temp = A(i)
      A(i) = A(J)
      A(J) = Temp
      i = i + 1
      J = J - 1
    Else
      If A(i) < MidValue Then i = i + 1
      If A(J) > MidValue Then J = J - 1
    End If
  Loop
  QuickSort A(), Low, J
  QuickSort A(), i, Hi
End Sub
 
Sub ShellSort(A() As Integer)
'
' Very fast sort: 2n Log n comparisons
'
' Calling convention:
'   Redim A(1 To 20) as Integer
'   ShellSort A()
'
Dim i As Integer, J As Integer, Low As Integer, Hi As Integer
Dim Temp As Integer, Swapped As Integer
  Low = LBound(A)
  Hi = UBound(A)
  J = (Hi - Low + 1) \ 2
  Do While J > 0
    For i = Low To Hi - J
      If A(i) > A(i + J) Then
        Temp = A(i)
        A(i) = A(i + J)
        A(i + J) = Temp
      End If
    Next i
    For i = Hi - J To Low Step -1
      If A(i) > A(i + J) Then
        Temp = A(i)
        A(i) = A(i + J)
        A(i + J) = Temp
      End If
    Next i
    J = J \ 2
  Loop
End Sub
 
Sub TagBubbleSort(S() As String, A() As Integer)
'
' Slowest Sort: n^2 comparisons
'
' Calling convention:
'   Redim S(1 to 20) as String, A(1 To 20) as Integer
'   TagBubbleSort S(), A()
'
' Sorting strings is very inefficient on memory and fragments it
' greatly.  By using a tag sort, you are swapping pointers or tags
' into the string array.  The calling function also needs to understand
' that it needs to use tags.
'
' Tag sorts can be adopted to other sort types by using the tag in
comparisons
'
Dim i As Integer, J As Integer, Low As Integer, Hi As Integer, Temp As
Integer
  Low = LBound(A)
  Hi = UBound(A)
'
' Initialize Tag array
'
  For i = Low To Hi
    A(i) = i
  Next i
'
' Sort
'
  For i = Low To Hi - 1
    For J = i + 1 To Hi
      If S(A(i)) > S(A(J)) Then   ' Test String Array via tag
        Temp = A(i)               ' Swap tag values
        A(i) = A(J)
        A(J) = Temp
      End If
    Next J
  Next i
End Sub

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 12:16 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting an array from a calback function



I am using a call back to populate a combo and I would like to sort the
resulting array. In particular I am using the Report objects Description
property as the displayed item in the combo. Column 1 is the report name
Column 2 is the report description, column 2 is the visible column.
Everythings very nice except the order - got any array sorting code out
there? 
TIA


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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Wed May 21 11:22:33 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 12:22:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85C2F@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Hmm, "M" as in Micro$oft eh?  Could be something there.  

I was going to venture a WAG as to spaces in the folder names but it sounds like that is probably not it.

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 11:50 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Interesting fact just spotted... All of the directories it doesn't look in
are those which come after M in the alphabet and are coming from the root
folder, and their sub-directories.

It's as if it gets so far and just stops. Any way to troubleshoot what it's
doing? Why it's breaking?

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: 21 May 2003 16:40
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


OK... My original code returns all the files from that directory plus some
files from a couple of other directories we *didn't* ask it to look in...

Your code finds them all spot-on, but only if we specify the lowest level
directory.

Adding the asterisk on the end dint help. :(

-----Original Message-----
From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
Sent: 21 May 2003 16:14
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


OK,

My next question, if you change the .LookIn property to search those
specific directories that the 182 dbs are in, is the program adding them to
the table?

But before you try that, if you haven't already, try this; change the LookIn
property from

        .FileName = "*.mda; *.mdb; *.mde; *.ldb"

To

        .FileName = "*.mda*; *.mdb*; *.mde*; *.ldb*"	' (place an
asterisk at the end of each ext)


  

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:02 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


I don't think you silly whatsoever.

The other 128 databases are in directories and subdirectories which sit
alongside those which are successfully being searched (all in one root
directory with no shares or other malarkey involved) There are no different
permissions on any of the folders or databases being ignored versus those
being returned. The user(s) testing the code have full administrator
permissions.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
Sent: 21 May 2003 15:47
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Roz,

Please don't think me silly, but...are the other 128 databases in
directories that were not specified in the .LookIn property.  Does the
person running the code have access to the directories that the other
databases are located?



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	and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 7:24 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


John

Thanks for this, Karen reports that it works beautifully in terms of
bringing back the additional info. It still only returns 152 of our 280
databases though! Gah!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 18:11
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Here's code that I tested and it seems to be working.  I have a table called
tbl_Files in which I want to place the name of the database found, the
directory it is located, it's size, when it was created, when it was last
modified, and when it was last accessed.

Private Sub cmdFileObject_Click()
' Provides the user Path, File Name,
' and File Size
' Insure there is a reference to the
' Microsoft Scripting Runtime
' Access 2000/2002
    On Error GoTo cmdFileObject_ERR

    Dim rst As ADODB.Command
    Dim fso As FileSystemObject
    Dim f1 As File
    Dim strFilePath As String
    Dim strFileName As String
    Dim strFileSize As String
    Dim datDateCreated As Date
    Dim datDateModified As Date
    Dim datDateAccessed As Date
    Dim I As Double

    Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
    Set rst = New ADODB.Command

    DoCmd.Hourglass True
    ' Create a recordset
    With rst
        .ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection
        .CommandType = adCmdText
        ' Create the SQL to delete any records in the table tbl_Files
        .CommandText = "DELETE * FROM tbl_Files"
        ' Delete the records
        .Execute
    End With

    With Application.FileSearch
        .NewSearch

	  ' There are over 50 subfolders where the databases reside
	  ' in this My work directory.
        .LookIn = "D:\Documents and Settings\John\My Documents\My Work"

        ' I want to search for all files that have .mda, .mdb, .mde
        ' and .ldb in their name.  Place a semicolon between each
        ' file type so that the FilesSearch will search all that
        ' you have specified
        .FileName = "*.mda; *.mdb; *.mde; *.ldb"

        .MatchTextExactly = False

	  ' FileType not required if you are using .FileName
	  ' with an extension
 '       .FileType = msoFileTypeAllFiles

	  ' Search all subfolders of My Work
        .SearchSubFolders = True

        If .Execute() > 0 Then
            For I = 1 To .FoundFiles.Count

                Set f1 = fso.GetFile(.FoundFiles(I))

                strFilePath = f1.ParentFolder
                strFileName = f1.Name
                strFileSize = f1.Size / 1000 ' Convert to KB
                datDateCreated = f1.DateCreated
                datDateModified = f1.DateLastModified
                datDateAccessed = f1.DateLastAccessed

                DoEvents

                ' SQL statement to insert the data into the tbl_Files table
                rst.CommandText = "INSERT INTO tbl_Files " & _
                        "(FilePath, FileName, FileSize, DateCreated, " & _
                        "DateLastModified, DateLastAccessed) " & _
                        "SELECT '" & _
                        strFilePath & "', '" & _
                        strFileName & " ', " & _
                        strFileSize & ", #" & _
                        datDateCreated & "#, #" & _
                        datDateModified & "#, #" & _
                        datDateAccessed & "#"
                ' Insert the record
                rst.Execute
           Next I
            MsgBox "Done. " & .FoundFiles.Count & " Records were added"
        Else
            MsgBox "No Files Found"
        End If
    End With


cmdFileObject_EXIT:

    On Error Resume Next
    DoCmd.Hourglass False
    Set rst = Nothing
    Exit Sub

cmdFileObject_ERR:

    If Err.Number = 70 Then ' Permission denied
        Resume Next
    End If
    MsgBox Error$

End Sub

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:56 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Well I'm running Office XP on WXP w/ Service Pack 1.

I can't think of any specific settings which would lead to the exclusion of
the particular databases I'm missing :(

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: 20 May 2003 16:48
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


That's interesting, Roz.  I just pulled your code out, changed the path to
point to a folder on my machine with mdbs in it, and got a zero for the
FoundFiles count.  And I had the same problem with Rocky's sample database.
It has to be a setting that is causing the failures some of us are
experiencing.  Now, if we could just figure out what it is ... :o{

Rocky, any suggestions?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:27 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames



Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but
Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:

  Dim varItem As Variant
  With Application.FileSearch
    .NewSearch
    .SearchSubFolders = True
    .FileName = "*.mdb"
    .LookIn = "G:\"
    .Execute
    'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
        strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & varItem & "'
)"
        'Debug.Print strSQL
        DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
    Next varItem
  End With

This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any date
info. But that's fine, I can live with that.

What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it (yes, I
know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but the
.FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked in any
sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky behaviour you
guys have experienced?!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
To: Roz Clarke
Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


Was curious about the code.  Standing by...

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


> The email or the code?
>
> I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out yet
> - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and
> now have
a
> stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
>
> I'll let you know!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> did it work?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> > cheers
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with a
> > .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.
> > Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > >
> > >
> > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Roz:
> > >
> > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > >
> > > Do you have another email address that might let these go through?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector"
> > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable.
> > Find
> > > Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company
> > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > >
> > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 12:24:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FAA@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEEHDNAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

The help says it does work that way, but it isn't working for me.  I could
swear it was in the past though.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 12:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method


Ah, I didn't understand what you were describing.  So it doesn't work
that way in VS.Net?  It does in VS6.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 7:52 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method


Shft F2 is supposed to take you to the object under the cursor (for
editing, not "stepping" in debug).  So if I am in functionA and am
writing the text MyObj.MyMethod, I place the cursor over .MyMethod and
hit Shft-F2 and the editor moves the focus to that method.  It is a
quick and easy way to go look at the code, open the module etc.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 11:32 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method


Um, if you're already in a method of the object, why do you need to hit
shift+F2?  And is this VS.Net or VS 6?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 6:02 AM
To: VBA; AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method


In Access placing the insertion pointer in a method of an object and
hitting shft-F2 takes you to that method of that object (to the code).
It actually takes you to anything, variable etc.  According to the help
file "shortcut keys" this is supposed to work in the Visual Studio
editor as well, and I could swear that I have used it, but I am not
getting it to work now.  Is this supposed to work the same way as in the
Access VBA editor?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From DElam at jenkens.com  Wed May 21 11:29:10 2003
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 11:29:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
Message-ID: <4AAC675EBAF3D411BCA200508BCFAA8E02F218FB@NATEXCH1>

I have 4.  Juicy tidbits only work if they direct enough attention at you to
spot them.  I need to get really close to lure them with treats.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 10:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


I have two ferrets now....Herding them is sorta like
herding cats....hehehe

It was easier to herd my iguanas....heheeh

--- "Wortz, Charles" <CWortz at tea.state.tx.us> wrote:
> A juicy tidbit at the spot where you want the ferret
> to go will work.
> 
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elam, Debbie [mailto:DElam at jenkens.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 21 08:17
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> lines
> 
> Yes but how would you get them to stop playing with
> the cable, much less
> get them out the correct spot if at all.  I have
> heard ferrets were used
> to string cable in tight places, but I am still
> trying to figure out how
> they were trained.  Ferrets are smart, but do not
> take direction well,
> and consider anything and everything a toy.
> 
> Debbie
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nancy Lytle [mailto:nancy.lytle at auatac.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:27 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> lines
> 
> 
> On a lighter note, for those really tight places for
> stringing cables -
> walls and low ceilings-, why not use a ferret, they
> can get into the
> most unusual places, they work on the cheap, on the
> other hand they can
> be tempermental.
> 
> N Lytle :))
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:57 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> lines
> 
> 
> True enough - we only had to get across 2x4
> stringers, luckily the
> rafters/upper floor bearers (2x10) ran the other
> way.  The car
> negotiated the 2x4s without a problem.
> 
> I would NEVER suggest running data through power
> conduit.  Guess we were
> lucky again in that the house is full brick and
> there is a "fair" 10mm
> gap between the skins, the only obstacle to vertical
> drops being the
> brickies ties.  Brick veneer and etc with studded
> walls is always a
> problem for any vertical cabling - I usually have
> opted for "dress"
> conduit except in the rare cases where I felt the
> job was worth
> replastering the wall.
> 
> Bruce
> P.s. I have done it for a living.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> III
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:37 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> lines
> 
> 
> That works fine for an office build.  But RC cars
> don't work well in raftered house ceilings.  Most
> houses here use 2x6s or 2x8s for rafters.  Or at
> least
> most of the ones that I've seen.
> 
> If you're running network lines down the same
> conduit
> as electrical wiring you're violating about a dozen
> fire and safety codes.  Not to mention every basic
> rule of network wiring that there is.
> 
> Electrical wiring, ESPECIALLY two-phase and
> three-phase wiring emit large amounts of RF.  RF
> kills
> data integrity.  One of the most basic rules of
> network wiring is NEVER string your network wires
> across power conduits, junction boxes, or lighting
> fixtures.  Don't believe me?  Ask anyone that does
> it
> for a living.  You, physically, can do it, but you
> shouldn't.  You're asking for trouble.
> 
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From chizotz at charter.net  Wed May 21 11:46:36 2003
From: chizotz at charter.net (Ron  Allen)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 12:46:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85C2F@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <web-935859@rems02.cluster1.charter.net>

Is there a limit to the number of directories and 
subdirectories that can be searched/found this way? There 
used to be some absolute limits to the number of 
directories in the root and other stuff... I'm wondering 
if there is a limit, artificial or not, being hit here. 
Does it by chance find "exactly" 128, or 256, or 512, etc. 
folders/files before choking?


>-----Original Message-----
>From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
>Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 11:50 AM
>To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
>Interesting fact just spotted... All of the directories 
>it doesn't look in
>are those which come after M in the alphabet and are 
>coming from the root
>folder, and their sub-directories.
>
>It's as if it gets so far and just stops. Any way to 
>troubleshoot what it's
>doing? Why it's breaking?

From chizotz at charter.net  Wed May 21 12:06:10 2003
From: chizotz at charter.net (Ron  Allen)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 13:06:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
In-Reply-To: <web-935859@rems02.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <web-936040@rems02.cluster1.charter.net>

Access97 and SQL Server2000. The idea is to access a table 
in a SQL Server20000 database to populate a local table in 
an Access97 front-end without using a stored passthrough 
query or otherwise exposing the data or security 
information to the user. The user will only have a 
compiled .mde file, so this code would be inaccessible.

The below code works great on my development machine, but 
when I try it on any of three of my user's machines I get 
Library or Project not found. I can, however, create 
stored passthrough queries on those machines, and all of 
them have all options installed in Access97. My 
development machine is WinXP Pro, user machines are 
typically Win98. Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Ron




Public Sub TestTempPassthrough()
On Error GoTo ErrorHandle

Dim dbDW As Database
Dim dbJet As Database
Dim qdfDW As QueryDef
Dim rstDW As Recordset
Dim rstJet As Recordset
Dim strSQL As String
Dim strCurDate As String

     DoCmd.SetWarnings False
     strCurDate = Format(Date, "mm/dd/yyyy")
     
     strSQL = "DELETE OutletList.* FROM OutletList;"
     DoCmd.RunSQL (strSQL)
     
     strSQL = "SELECT rte as Route, out_nbr as Outlet, 
vnd_nbr as Vendor, "
     strSQL = strSQL & "dist as District, dept_code as 
Dept, area_code as Area, "
     strSQL = strSQL & "zone_code as Zone, pd_owned as 
PDOwned, pd_billed as PDBilled, "
     strSQL = strSQL & "stld_delivered as STLDelivered, 
contract as Contract, "
     strSQL = strSQL & "abc_dlv_code1 as ABCDlvCode1, 
abc_dlv_code2 as ABCDlvCode2, "
     strSQL = strSQL & "abc_paid As ABCPaid, eff_date As 
EffDate, end_date As EndDate "
     strSQL = strSQL & "FROM circ.dbo.Distribution "
     strSQL = strSQL & "WHERE (eff_date <= '" & strCurDate 
& "' AND end_date > '" & strCurDate & "') "
     strSQL = strSQL & "AND (rte <> '' and rte is not null 
and rte <> '9999') "
     strSQL = strSQL & "AND (out_nbr <> 0 and out_nbr is 
not null) "
     strSQL = strSQL & "AND (dept_code <> 'GC' and 
dept_code <> 'TM')"

     Set dbDW = DBEngine.Workspaces(0).Databases(0)
     Set qdfDW = dbDW.CreateQueryDef("")
     qdfDW.Connect = 
"ODBC;DSN=db_pd1;UID=testuser;PWD=tu1234;DATABASE=CIRC"
     qdfDW.SQL = strSQL
     qdfDW.ReturnsRecords = True
     qdfDW.ODBCTimeout = 0
     Set rstDW = qdfDW.OpenRecordset()

     Set dbJet = CurrentDb()
     Set rstJet = dbJet.OpenRecordset("OutletList", 
dbOpenTable)
     
With rstDW
     .MoveFirst
     Do
         rstJet.AddNew
         rstJet![AsOfDate] = Date
         rstJet![Route] = CInt(![Route])
         rstJet![Outlet] = ![Outlet]
         rstJet![Vendor] = ![Vendor]
         rstJet![District] = ![District]
         rstJet![Dept] = ![Dept]
         rstJet![Area] = ![Area]
         rstJet![Zone] = ![Zone]
         rstJet![PDOwned] = ![PDOwned]
         rstJet![PDBilled] = ![PDBilled]
         rstJet![STLDelivered] = ![STLDelivered]
         rstJet![Contract] = ![Contract]
         rstJet![ABCDlvCode1] = ![ABCDlvCode1]
         rstJet![ABCDlvCode2] = ![ABCDlvCode2]
         rstJet![ABCPaid] = ![ABCPaid]
         rstJet.Update
         .MoveNext
     Loop Until .EOF
         
End With

ExitSub:
     Set rstDW = Nothing
     Set qdfDW = Nothing
     Set dbDW = Nothing
     Set rstJet = Nothing
     Set dbJet = Nothing
     DoCmd.SetWarnings True
     Exit Sub

ErrorHandle:
     MsgBox Err.Number & " " & Err.Description & " in 
TestTempPassthrough"
     Resume ExitSub
     
End Sub

From nancy.lytle at auatac.com  Wed May 21 12:26:05 2003
From: nancy.lytle at auatac.com (Nancy Lytle)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 13:26:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
In-Reply-To: <web-935859@rems02.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <OPEHJDCMPKDOHDELKBPHEEPKDLAA.nancy.lytle@auatac.com>

I got 171 listed in mine. The question is what do those directories have in
common.
First step would be to create a directory name M then put a copy of
northwind in it and run it again and see what happens.

Nancy Lytle

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Allen
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 12:47 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Is there a limit to the number of directories and
subdirectories that can be searched/found this way? There
used to be some absolute limits to the number of
directories in the root and other stuff... I'm wondering
if there is a limit, artificial or not, being hit here.
Does it by chance find "exactly" 128, or 256, or 512, etc.
folders/files before choking?


>-----Original Message-----
>From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
>Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 11:50 AM
>To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
>Interesting fact just spotted... All of the directories
>it doesn't look in
>are those which come after M in the alphabet and are
>coming from the root
>folder, and their sub-directories.
>
>It's as if it gets so far and just stops. Any way to
>troubleshoot what it's
>doing? Why it's breaking?
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From delliker at hotmail.com  Wed May 21 12:24:20 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 13:24:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting an array from a calback function
Message-ID: <Law12-F9EqSVNlRgJka000069f2@hotmail.com>

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From mikedorism at ntelos.net  Wed May 21 12:44:01 2003
From: mikedorism at ntelos.net (Mike and Doris Manning)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 13:44:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
In-Reply-To: <web-936040@rems02.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <000001c31fc0$94bb4a70$ac3b0cd8@hargrove.internal>

Your problem lies in your connection string...
"ODBC;DSN=db_pd1;UID=testuser;PWD=tu1234;DATABASE=CIRC"

DSN "db_pd1" exists on your machine but probably doesn't exist on the user
machine.  In order for this to work, you will need to create the DSN on the
user machine.  You can have your code quietly check for the presence of the
DSN and create it if it doesn't exist without the user having to do
anything.

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ron Allen
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 1:06 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Access97 and SQL Server2000. The idea is to access a table 
in a SQL Server20000 database to populate a local table in 
an Access97 front-end without using a stored passthrough 
query or otherwise exposing the data or security 
information to the user. The user will only have a 
compiled .mde file, so this code would be inaccessible.

The below code works great on my development machine, but 
when I try it on any of three of my user's machines I get 
Library or Project not found. I can, however, create 
stored passthrough queries on those machines, and all of 
them have all options installed in Access97. My 
development machine is WinXP Pro, user machines are 
typically Win98. Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Ron




Public Sub TestTempPassthrough()
On Error GoTo ErrorHandle

Dim dbDW As Database
Dim dbJet As Database
Dim qdfDW As QueryDef
Dim rstDW As Recordset
Dim rstJet As Recordset
Dim strSQL As String
Dim strCurDate As String

     DoCmd.SetWarnings False
     strCurDate = Format(Date, "mm/dd/yyyy")
     
     strSQL = "DELETE OutletList.* FROM OutletList;"
     DoCmd.RunSQL (strSQL)
     
     strSQL = "SELECT rte as Route, out_nbr as Outlet, 
vnd_nbr as Vendor, "
     strSQL = strSQL & "dist as District, dept_code as 
Dept, area_code as Area, "
     strSQL = strSQL & "zone_code as Zone, pd_owned as 
PDOwned, pd_billed as PDBilled, "
     strSQL = strSQL & "stld_delivered as STLDelivered, 
contract as Contract, "
     strSQL = strSQL & "abc_dlv_code1 as ABCDlvCode1, 
abc_dlv_code2 as ABCDlvCode2, "
     strSQL = strSQL & "abc_paid As ABCPaid, eff_date As 
EffDate, end_date As EndDate "
     strSQL = strSQL & "FROM circ.dbo.Distribution "
     strSQL = strSQL & "WHERE (eff_date <= '" & strCurDate 
& "' AND end_date > '" & strCurDate & "') "
     strSQL = strSQL & "AND (rte <> '' and rte is not null 
and rte <> '9999') "
     strSQL = strSQL & "AND (out_nbr <> 0 and out_nbr is 
not null) "
     strSQL = strSQL & "AND (dept_code <> 'GC' and 
dept_code <> 'TM')"

     Set dbDW = DBEngine.Workspaces(0).Databases(0)
     Set qdfDW = dbDW.CreateQueryDef("")
     qdfDW.Connect = 
"ODBC;DSN=db_pd1;UID=testuser;PWD=tu1234;DATABASE=CIRC"
     qdfDW.SQL = strSQL
     qdfDW.ReturnsRecords = True
     qdfDW.ODBCTimeout = 0
     Set rstDW = qdfDW.OpenRecordset()

     Set dbJet = CurrentDb()
     Set rstJet = dbJet.OpenRecordset("OutletList", 
dbOpenTable)
     
With rstDW
     .MoveFirst
     Do
         rstJet.AddNew
         rstJet![AsOfDate] = Date
         rstJet![Route] = CInt(![Route])
         rstJet![Outlet] = ![Outlet]
         rstJet![Vendor] = ![Vendor]
         rstJet![District] = ![District]
         rstJet![Dept] = ![Dept]
         rstJet![Area] = ![Area]
         rstJet![Zone] = ![Zone]
         rstJet![PDOwned] = ![PDOwned]
         rstJet![PDBilled] = ![PDBilled]
         rstJet![STLDelivered] = ![STLDelivered]
         rstJet![Contract] = ![Contract]
         rstJet![ABCDlvCode1] = ![ABCDlvCode1]
         rstJet![ABCDlvCode2] = ![ABCDlvCode2]
         rstJet![ABCPaid] = ![ABCPaid]
         rstJet.Update
         .MoveNext
     Loop Until .EOF
         
End With

ExitSub:
     Set rstDW = Nothing
     Set qdfDW = Nothing
     Set dbDW = Nothing
     Set rstJet = Nothing
     Set dbJet = Nothing
     DoCmd.SetWarnings True
     Exit Sub

ErrorHandle:
     MsgBox Err.Number & " " & Err.Description & " in 
TestTempPassthrough"
     Resume ExitSub
     
End Sub
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Wed May 21 12:46:08 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 12:46:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] does Access allow Replace in sql window ?
In-Reply-To: <13831776281.20030521170154@cactus.dk>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F54@infoserver01.infostat.local>
	<9432099767.20030514175345@cactus.dk>
	<57544.199.67.140.20.1053526117.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>
	<7629764428.20030521162822@cactus.dk>
	<49700.199.67.140.20.1053527638.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>
	<13831776281.20030521170154@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <39707.199.67.140.20.1053539168.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>

hey, I already did it this way --

UPDATE ArtemMARGaps SET Filter = "Citifin"
WHERE filter like "*fin*";

 Hi Oleg
>
>> but they are all different length (with first 5 characters being the
>> same)
>
> If so:
>
>   Expr1: IIf(Left([YourColumn], 5)='Masha', 'Masha', [YourColumn])
>
>> Actually I just realisesd that all I need is for all values in that
>> column to be the word "associates" That should be simpler ?
>
> Ehh - you lost me here ... or do you mean:
>
>   Expr1: IIf(Left([YourColumn], 10)='Associates', 'Associates',
> [YourColumn])
>
> /gustav
>
>
>>> You could do something like:
>>>
>>>   Expr1: IIf(Left([YourColumn], 4)='Mash', 'Masha', [YourColumn])
>>>
>>> /gustav
>>>
>>>
>>>> I was pretty sure that it does, but I can't seem to remember/find
>>>> how. I need something like this
>>>
>>>> Edit tblTableName
>>>
>>>> Select *
>>>
>>>> Replace "Mash*" with "Masha"
>
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From papparuff at attbi.com  Wed May 21 12:50:15 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 10:50:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Blank Access Screen
In-Reply-To: <Law12-F9EqSVNlRgJka000069f2@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <007501c31fc1$713a9640$6401a8c0@papparuff>

On another newgroup one person asked the following:
"When I am working on a form and then close it, the Form list is blank.
If I click Reports, Tables, etc.. and click back, the Forms are once
again listed. The same happens with Reports and Tables, etc.. It does
not happen every time, but very often. It is mostly annoying. And it
happens in multiple databases not just one. I have Office SR-3 loaded.

Has anyone every come accross this before? How do I stop it."

A number of peopele responded stating they have the same problem but
don't know why it happens.  I also have the same problem.  When I have
created a number of tables, forms, reports, etc in the database; if I go
from say, form design view, back to the Access main window, I have to
move to another object and then back to the forms object again to see
all the forms that I have already created..  I have never found an
answer for this, so I just live with it.  I don't believe memory has
anything to do with it as I have 512mb and it happens if I only have
Access open or if I have a couple of other programs running.  It happens
with Access 2000 and Access 2002 and in Windows 2000 Pro and Windows XP
Pro.

Does anyone else have this annoyance?  If so, does anyone know why this
occurs, and a solution (if there is any).

 

John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-) 
Always Looking For Contract Opportunities 

Home: 253.588.2139 
Cell: 253.307/2947 
9306 Farwest Dr SW 
Lakewood, WA 98498 

"Commit to the Lord whatever you do, 
        and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Don Elliker
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 10:24 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sorting an array from a calback function



Neil,

Thanks, I modified one of the routines and it works splendidly.

I put this in the LbInitialize of the callback

Set rst = dbCur.OpenRecordset("qryreportname", dbOpenSnapshot)
                Set Cnt = dbCur.Containers("reports")
    
                rst.MoveLast
                rst.MoveFirst
                intCount = rst.RecordCount - 1
                intRows = intCount
                intCols = 2
                
                ReDim arRptName(intC! ount, 2)
                
                If rst.RecordCount > 0 Then
                    For intI = 0 To intCount
                        arRptName(intI, 0) = rst!Name
                        arRptName(intI, 1) =
Cnt(rst!Name).Properties("description")
                        'Debug.Print arRptName(intI, 0); " ";
arRptName(intI, 1)
      &nbs! p;                 rst.MoveNext
                    Next intI
                End If
"YOUR STUFF HERE-                
                Dim i As Integer, J As Integer, Low As Integer, Hi As
Integer, Temp1 As String, Temp2 As String
                Low = LBound(arRptName) + 1
                Hi = UBound(arRptName)
                For i = ! Low To Hi - 1
                    For J = i + 1 To Hi
                        If arRptName(i, 1) > arRptName(J, 1) Then
                            Temp1 = arRptName(i, 0)
                            Temp2 = arRptName(i, 1)
                            arRptName(i, 0) = arRptName(J, 0)
           &! nbsp;                arRptName(i, 1) = arRptName(J, 1)
                            arRptName(J, 0) = Temp1
                            arRptName(J, 1) = Temp2
                        End If
                    Next J
                Next i

     
                varRetVal = intRows






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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Wed May 21 12:50:26 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 12:50:26 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] does Access allow Replace in sql window ?
In-Reply-To: <833956F5C117124A89417638FDB11290EBCE84@goexchange.pghcorning.com>
References: <833956F5C117124A89417638FDB11290EBCE84@goexchange.pghcorning.com>
Message-ID: <43406.199.67.140.210.1053539426.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>

thanks, I already found it; for some reason your message went to my
'filtered mail' :-/  (all other messages from the group went to the
regular mailbox)

> SPAM:
>
> Why not try an update query..
>
> fill in the appropriate TableName and Fieldnames...
> please back up before you try and it, if you try it..
>
> something like this I think will work..
>
> UPDATE TableName SET TableName.FieldName = "Masha"
> WHERE (((TableName.FieldName)="Mash"));
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 10:09 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] does Access allow Replace in sql window ?
>
>
> I was pretty sure that it does, but I can't seem to remember/find how. I
> need something like this
>
> Edit tblTableName
>
> Select *
>
> Replace "Mash*" with "Masha"
>
>
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May 21 13:05:25 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 11:05:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Blank Access Screen
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FAC@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I've seen it at times.  I just consider it a "feature".  I suspect it's
a resource issue.  Do you/they have name Autocorrect and subdatasheets
turned on or off?  Mine are off, always, and I rarely see this unless
I've got a print job spooling at the same time.
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
	Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 9:50 AM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: [AccessD] Blank Access Screen
	
	
	On another newgroup one person asked the following:
	"When I am working on a form and then close it, the Form list is
blank. If I click Reports, Tables, etc.. and click back, the Forms are
once again listed. The same happens with Reports and Tables, etc.. It
does not happen every time, but very often. It is mostly annoying. And
it happens in multiple databases not just one. I have Office SR-3
loaded.

	Has anyone every come accross this before? How do I stop it."

	A number of peopele responded stating they have the same problem
but don't know why it happens.  I also have the same problem.  When I
have created a number of tables, forms, reports, etc in the database; if
I go from say, form design view, back to the Access main window, I have
to move to another object and then back to the forms object again to see
all the forms that I have already created..  I have never found an
answer for this, so I just live with it.  I don't believe memory has
anything to do with it as I have 512mb and it happens if I only have
Access open or if I have a couple of other programs running.  It happens
with Access 2000 and Access 2002 and in Windows 2000 Pro and Windows XP
Pro.

	Does anyone else have this annoyance?  If so, does anyone know
why this occurs, and a solution (if there is any).

	 

	John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-) 
	Always Looking For Contract Opportunities 

	Home: 253.588.2139 
	Cell: 253.307/2947 
	9306 Farwest Dr SW 
	Lakewood, WA 98498 

	"Commit to the Lord whatever you do, 
	        and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3 

		-----Original Message-----
		From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Don Elliker
		Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 10:24 AM
		To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
		Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sorting an array from a calback
function
		
		

		Neil,

		Thanks, I modified one of the routines and it works
splendidly.

		I put this in the LbInitialize of the callback

		Set rst = dbCur.OpenRecordset("qryreportname",
dbOpenSnapshot)
		                Set Cnt = dbCur.Containers("reports")
		    
		                rst.MoveLast
		                rst.MoveFirst
		                intCount = rst.RecordCount - 1
		                intRows = intCount
		                intCols = 2
		                
		                ReDim arRptName(intC! ount, 2)
		                
		                If rst.RecordCount > 0 Then
		                    For intI = 0 To intCount
		                        arRptName(intI, 0) = rst!Name
		                        arRptName(intI, 1) =
Cnt(rst!Name).Properties("description")
		                        'Debug.Print arRptName(intI, 0);
" "; arRptName(intI, 1)
		      &nbs! p;                 rst.MoveNext
		                    Next intI
		                End If
		"YOUR STUFF HERE-                
		                Dim i As Integer, J As Integer, Low As
Integer, Hi As Integer, Temp1 As String, Temp2 As String
		                Low = LBound(arRptName) + 1
		                Hi = UBound(arRptName)
		                For i = ! Low To Hi - 1
		                    For J = i + 1 To Hi
		                        If arRptName(i, 1) >
arRptName(J, 1) Then
		                            Temp1 = arRptName(i, 0)
		                            Temp2 = arRptName(i, 1)
		                            arRptName(i, 0) =
arRptName(J, 0)
		           &! nbsp;                arRptName(i, 1) =
arRptName(J, 1)
		                            arRptName(J, 0) = Temp1
		                            arRptName(J, 1) = Temp2
		                        End If
		                    Next J
		                Next i

		     
		                varRetVal = intRows
		
		




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From papparuff at attbi.com  Wed May 21 13:08:05 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 11:08:05 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Blank Access Screen
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FAC@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <008a01c31fc3$ed9b7d60$6401a8c0@papparuff>

It doesn't matter if Autocorrect and/or subdatasheets are turned off
(mine are), the annoyance persists.
 
 

John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-) 
Always Looking For Contract Opportunities 

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Right over the Internet 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 11:05 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Blank Access Screen


I've seen it at times.  I just consider it a "feature".  I suspect it's
a resource issue.  Do you/they have name Autocorrect and subdatasheets
turned on or off?  Mine are off, always, and I rarely see this unless
I've got a print job spooling at the same time.
 
Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 9:50 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Blank Access Screen


On another newgroup one person asked the following:
"When I am working on a form and then close it, the Form list is blank.
If I click Reports, Tables, etc.. and click back, the Forms are once
again listed. The same happens with Reports and Tables, etc.. It does
not happen every time, but very often. It is mostly annoying. And it
happens in multiple databases not just one. I have Office SR-3 loaded.

Has anyone every come accross this before? How do I stop it."

A number of peopele responded stating they have the same problem but
don't know why it happens.  I also have the same problem.  When I have
created a number of tables, forms, reports, etc in the database; if I go
from say, form design view, back to the Access main window, I have to
move to another object and then back to the forms object again to see
all the forms that I have already created..  I have never found an
answer for this, so I just live with it.  I don't believe memory has
anything to do with it as I have 512mb and it happens if I only have
Access open or if I have a couple of other programs running.  It happens
with Access 2000 and Access 2002 and in Windows 2000 Pro and Windows XP
Pro.

Does anyone else have this annoyance?  If so, does anyone know why this
occurs, and a solution (if there is any).

 

John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-) 
Always Looking For Contract Opportunities 

Home: 253.588.2139 
Cell: 253.307/2947 
9306 Farwest Dr SW 
Lakewood, WA 98498 

"Commit to the Lord whatever you do, 
        and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Don Elliker
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 10:24 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sorting an array from a calback function



Neil,

Thanks, I modified one of the routines and it works splendidly.

I put this in the LbInitialize of the callback

Set rst = dbCur.OpenRecordset("qryreportname", dbOpenSnapshot)
                Set Cnt = dbCur.Containers("reports")
    
                rst.MoveLast
                rst.MoveFirst
                intCount = rst.RecordCount - 1
                intRows = intCount
                intCols = 2
                
                ReDim arRptName(intC! ount, 2)
                
                If rst.RecordCount > 0 Then
                    For intI = 0 To intCount
                        arRptName(intI, 0) = rst!Name
                        arRptName(intI, 1) =
Cnt(rst!Name).Properties("description")
                        'Debug.Print arRptName(intI, 0); " ";
arRptName(intI, 1)
      &nbs! p;                 rst.MoveNext
                    Next intI
                End If
"YOUR STUFF HERE-                
                Dim i As Integer, J As Integer, Low As Integer, Hi As
Integer, Temp1 As String, Temp2 As String
                Low = LBound(arRptName) + 1
                Hi = UBound(arRptName)
                For i = ! Low To Hi - 1
                    For J = i + 1 To Hi
                        If arRptName(i, 1) > arRptName(J, 1) Then
                            Temp1 = arRptName(i, 0)
                            Temp2 = arRptName(i, 1)
                            arRptName(i, 0) = arRptName(J, 0)
           &! nbsp;                arRptName(i, 1) = arRptName(J, 1)
                            arRptName(J, 0) = Temp1
                            arRptName(J, 1) = Temp2
                        End If
                    Next J
                Next i

     
                varRetVal = intRows






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From chizotz at charter.net  Wed May 21 13:11:30 2003
From: chizotz at charter.net (Ron  Allen)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 14:11:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
In-Reply-To: <000001c31fc0$94bb4a70$ac3b0cd8@hargrove.internal>
Message-ID: <web-926174@rems03.cluster1.charter.net>

Hi Doris,

Oops! You may well be right. I've set that DSN up on other 
user machines, but the machines I tested this on may not 
have been in that group. Thanks, I will check that asap.

Can you give me a pointer to the code that would check for 
and set the needed DSN up in code from Access?

Ron


On Wed, 21 May 2003 13:44:01 -0400
  "Mike and Doris Manning" <mikedorism at ntelos.net> wrote:
>Your problem lies in your connection string...
>"ODBC;DSN=db_pd1;UID=testuser;PWD=tu1234;DATABASE=CIRC"
>
>DSN "db_pd1" exists on your machine but probably doesn't 
>exist on the user
>machine.  In order for this to work, you will need to 
>create the DSN on the
>user machine.  You can have your code quietly check for 
>the presence of the
>DSN and create it if it doesn't exist without the user 
>having to do
>anything.

From MPorter at acsalaska.com  Wed May 21 13:17:08 2003
From: MPorter at acsalaska.com (Porter, Mark)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 10:17:08 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] does Access allow Replace in sql window ?
Message-ID: <BFBC9BAC6169D411890000508BAE2C530312077F@acsexch4.corp.acsalaska.com>

I love the Switch function for queries.  Combine it with a left() and you're
in business.

! From Help-----
Switch Function Example 

The following example uses the Switch function to determine the appropriate
language for a specified city based on the values of the ShipCountry and
ShipCity fields in an Orders table. You can enter the following expression
in a calculated control on a form or report. The expression is shown on
multiple lines for clarity; you can also enter it on a single line.

= Switch([ShipCity] = "Madrid", "Spanish", _
    [ShipCity] = "Berlin", "German", _
    [ShipCity] = "Torino", "Italian", _
    [ShipCountry] = "France", "French", _
    True, "English")
If the city is Madrid, the Switch function returns "Spanish"; if it is
Berlin, it returns "German"; and so on. If the city is not one of those
listed, but the country is France, it returns "French". If the city in
question is not in the list, the Switch function returns "English".

-----

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 7:02 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] does Access allow Replace in sql window ?


Hi Oleg

> but they are all different length (with first 5 characters being the same)

If so:

  Expr1: IIf(Left([YourColumn], 5)='Masha', 'Masha', [YourColumn])

> Actually I just realisesd that all I need is for all values in that column
> to be the word "associates" That should be simpler ?

Ehh - you lost me here ... or do you mean:

  Expr1: IIf(Left([YourColumn], 10)='Associates', 'Associates',
[YourColumn])

/gustav


>> You could do something like:
>>
>>   Expr1: IIf(Left([YourColumn], 4)='Mash', 'Masha', [YourColumn])
>>
>> /gustav
>>
>>
>>> I was pretty sure that it does, but I can't seem to remember/find how.
>>> I need something like this
>>
>>> Edit tblTableName
>>
>>> Select *
>>
>>> Replace "Mash*" with "Masha"

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From ad_tp at hotmail.com  Wed May 21 13:35:01 2003
From: ad_tp at hotmail.com (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 00:05:01 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Remembering place on a datasheet
References: <Orphaned-F1133wFDxc000060e5@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <Law9-OE46kJJfYCank600011d8d@hotmail.com>

Don,

    Current Record method can misfire if field value in a sorted column has been updated. In such a situation use of bookmark property is more common.

    Sometimes, even the use of bookmark property fails to give consistent results. In such a case one might opt for navigating to the desired record - using its primary key value.

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Don Elliker 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 20:57
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Remembering place on a datasheet


  I assume datasheet works like continuous form and if so, you can get the CurrentRecord prop of the recordsource and save it. Then use the docmd.gotorecord ,acgoto (I think) then the value you saved from the CurrentRecord. You could also , depending on what your doing, save the SelTop value and goto that.
  Ja?
  _D





  "Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." 
  >From: "Mike and Doris Manning" 
  >Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  >To: 
  >Subject: [AccessD] Remembering place on a datasheet 
  >Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 10:20:45 -0400 
  > 
  >I have created a datasheet for my users that works really well. The problem 
  >is that some users may have about 200 lines on there sheet. Whenever the 
  >datasheet requeries, the record pointer floats back to the top instead of 
  >remaining on the line the user was working with. 
  > 
  >Anybody got any suggestions for how can I sneakily return the user back to 
  >line they were working on to get around the requery problem? 
  > 
  >Doris Manning 
  >Database Administrator 
  >Hargrove Inc. 
  >www.hargroveinc.com 
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From delliker at hotmail.com  Wed May 21 14:21:40 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:21:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Remembering place on a datasheet
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From Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com  Wed May 21 14:42:35 2003
From: Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com (Jeff Barrows)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 14:42:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Blank Access Screen
Message-ID: <8DA8776D2F418E46A2A464AC6CE6305091E0@outbaksrv1.outbaktech.com>

I asked a similar question last year.  Here is my question and the
response I got:

 

My Question:

I recently ran into a situation where an Access 2002 database FE was
converted back to an Access 2000 version.  This was originally done in
Access 97 and converted to Access 2000 and Access 2002, but as we keep
hearing that Access 97 is being phased out they decided to go with just
an Access 2000 version and an Access 2002 version.  They decided to
continue development using Access 2002 and convert down to Access 2000.
The downgrade is successful (everything works as expected) but I have
now noticed something really strange.  I can view the tables, queries,
forms, etc as Large Icons, Small Icons, and as a List, but I cannot see
ANYTHING when I try and view as Detail.  Has anyone else experienced
this?  Or am I just 'lucky'?

 

Response from Mark Plumpton

:

 

That happened to me once - all the column widths in the details view
were set to zero.  Just try opening the columns up from the left hand
side.

 

 

Jeff Barrows

Outbak Technologies, LLC

Racine, WI

Phone: (262) 634-0653

Mailto: jeff_developer at hotmail.com

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From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 12:50 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com

 

On another newgroup one person asked the following:

"When I am working on a form and then close it, the Form list is blank.
If I click Reports, Tables, etc.. and click back, the Forms are once
again listed. The same happens with Reports and Tables, etc.. It does
not happen every time, but very often. It is mostly annoying. And it
happens in multiple databases not just one. I have Office SR-3 loaded.

Has anyone every come accross this before? How do I stop it."

A number of peopele responded stating they have the same problem but
don't know why it happens.  I also have the same problem.  When I have
created a number of tables, forms, reports, etc in the database; if I go
from say, form design view, back to the Access main window, I have to
move to another object and then back to the forms object again to see
all the forms that I have already created..  I have never found an
answer for this, so I just live with it.  I don't believe memory has
anything to do with it as I have 512mb and it happens if I only have
Access open or if I have a couple of other programs running.  It happens
with Access 2000 and Access 2002 and in Windows 2000 Pro and Windows XP
Pro.

Does anyone else have this annoyance?  If so, does anyone know why this
occurs, and a solution (if there is any).

 

John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-) 
Always Looking For Contract Opportunities 

Home: 253.588.2139 
Cell: 253.307/2947 
9306 Farwest Dr SW 
Lakewood, WA 98498 

"Commit to the Lord whatever you do, 
        and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3 

	-----Original Message-----
	From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Don Elliker
	Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 10:24 AM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sorting an array from a calback function

	Neil,

	Thanks, I modified one of the routines and it works splendidly.

	I put this in the LbInitialize of the callback

	Set rst = dbCur.OpenRecordset("qryreportname", dbOpenSnapshot)
	                Set Cnt = dbCur.Containers("reports")
	    
	                rst.MoveLast
	                rst.MoveFirst
	                intCount = rst.RecordCount - 1
	                intRows = intCount
	                intCols = 2
	                
	                ReDim arRptName(intC! ount, 2)
	                
	                If rst.RecordCount > 0 Then
	                    For intI = 0 To intCount
	                        arRptName(intI, 0) = rst!Name
	                        arRptName(intI, 1) =
Cnt(rst!Name).Properties("description")
	                        'Debug.Print arRptName(intI, 0); " ";
arRptName(intI, 1)
	      &nbs! p;                 rst.MoveNext
	                    Next intI
	                End If
	"YOUR STUFF HERE-                
	                Dim i As Integer, J As Integer, Low As Integer,
Hi As Integer, Temp1 As String, Temp2 As String
	                Low = LBound(arRptName) + 1
	                Hi = UBound(arRptName)
	                For i = ! Low To Hi - 1
	                    For J = i + 1 To Hi
	                        If arRptName(i, 1) > arRptName(J, 1)
Then
	                            Temp1 = arRptName(i, 0)
	                            Temp2 = arRptName(i, 1)
	                            arRptName(i, 0) = arRptName(J, 0)
	           &! nbsp;                arRptName(i, 1) =
arRptName(J, 1)
	                            arRptName(J, 0) = Temp1
	                            arRptName(J, 1) = Temp2
	                        End If
	                    Next J
	                Next i

	     
	                varRetVal = intRows

	
	
	

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From SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au  Wed May 21 19:07:11 2003
From: SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au (Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 10:07:11 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Using blat
Message-ID: <000f01c31ff6$18152280$54dd31d2@OfficePC>

Hi everybody.

As I am having a couple of issues with Outlook which I normally use for sending email from my mdb's, I want to try Blat which so many of you have recommended.

I am lost re: the installation and use of it.

I have read the readme which assumes a bit more knowledge than I have. I have copied blat.exe to c:\winnt\system32 and the next instruction is :

"Run "Blat -install yourhost.site.blah.blah youruserid at site.blah.blah" which I am battling with.

What is: 'yourhost', 'site', blah blah? 
And how does this work with client installs?
(In today's case I want to send email through Outlook Express). 

BTW, does anyone have a sample mdb whichuses Blat? Or does anyone have something else they can recommend?

TIA
Kath





Kath Pelletti
Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
Ph: 9505-6714
Fax: 9505-6430
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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Wed May 21 20:00:10 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:00:10 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522123817.00b49200@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Crossposted (because it is urgent :))

Hello groups.

I have an installation created by a sagekey script using Wise Installation 
v9.  It is an AXP ade connecting to SQL2K.

When the program is installed on a machine running Office XP it runs 
fine.  If the computer only has Office 2K then there seems to be a 
reference problem because in fields that use Date() to set defaults it only 
shows #Name.  We tested on a machine that had OXP by downgrading it to O2K 
and the installation suddenly didn't work any more.

The references that appear in the references box are -
vbe6.dll, msacc.olb, stdole2.tlb, msado25.tlb, dao360.dll, excel.exe.

We have tried registering the files using regsvr.exe but this hasn't helped.

Can anyone please provide any things we can try?


Regards

David Emerson
DALYN Software Ltd
25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205 


From SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au  Wed May 21 20:15:10 2003
From: SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au (Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:15:10 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522123817.00b49200@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <003301c31fff$9738cef0$54dd31d2@OfficePC>

David - there was an old problem with date() for Win98 machines - what OS are they using?

Have you tried that with Now() instead?

Kath

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Emerson 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com ; ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM 
  Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 11:00 AM
  Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?


  Crossposted (because it is urgent :))

  Hello groups.

  I have an installation created by a sagekey script using Wise Installation 
  v9.  It is an AXP ade connecting to SQL2K.

  When the program is installed on a machine running Office XP it runs 
  fine.  If the computer only has Office 2K then there seems to be a 
  reference problem because in fields that use Date() to set defaults it only 
  shows #Name.  We tested on a machine that had OXP by downgrading it to O2K 
  and the installation suddenly didn't work any more.

  The references that appear in the references box are -
  vbe6.dll, msacc.olb, stdole2.tlb, msado25.tlb, dao360.dll, excel.exe.

  We have tried registering the files using regsvr.exe but this hasn't helped.

  Can anyone please provide any things we can try?


  Regards

  David Emerson
  DALYN Software Ltd
  25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
  Wellington, New Zealand
  Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205 

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From SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au  Wed May 21 20:23:13 2003
From: SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au (Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:23:13 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Custom  report page length - A2K - Urgent!
Message-ID: <004201c32000$b6cf8cd0$54dd31d2@OfficePC>

I am printing vouchers - 3 per page on an A4 sheet.

I thought this would be dead easy - but how do I set a custom paper size?

TIA

Kath Pelletti
Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
Ph: 9505-6714
Fax: 9505-6430
SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au
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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Wed May 21 20:24:37 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:24:37 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
In-Reply-To: <003301c31fff$9738cef0$54dd31d2@OfficePC>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522123817.00b49200@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522132239.00b48828@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

All the machines are W2000NT.  I am sure that it is not just Date() 
function but a reference problem as there are other parts of the program 
that are behaving similarly.

David

At 22/05/2003, you wrote:
>David - there was an old problem with date() for Win98 machines - what OS 
>are they using?
>
>Have you tried that with Now() instead?
>
>Kath
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:davide at dalyn.co.nz>David Emerson
>To: <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>accessd at databaseadvisors.com ; 
><mailto:ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM>ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM
>Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 11:00 AM
>Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
>
>Crossposted (because it is urgent :))
>
>Hello groups.
>
>I have an installation created by a sagekey script using Wise Installation
>v9.  It is an AXP ade connecting to SQL2K.
>
>When the program is installed on a machine running Office XP it runs
>fine.  If the computer only has Office 2K then there seems to be a
>reference problem because in fields that use Date() to set defaults it only
>shows #Name.  We tested on a machine that had OXP by downgrading it to O2K
>and the installation suddenly didn't work any more.
>
>The references that appear in the references box are -
>vbe6.dll, msacc.olb, stdole2.tlb, msado25.tlb, dao360.dll, excel.exe.
>
>We have tried registering the files using regsvr.exe but this hasn't helped.
>
>Can anyone please provide any things we can try?
>
>
>Regards
>
>David Emerson
>DALYN Software Ltd
>25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
>Wellington, New Zealand
>Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205
>
>_______________________________________________
>AccessD mailing list
><mailto:AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>Website: <http://www.databaseadvisors.com>http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Wed May 21 20:25:24 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 21:25:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522123817.00b49200@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <3ECBEEC4.19936.BC192F@localhost>

On 22 May 2003 at 13:00, David Emerson wrote:


> I have an installation created by a sagekey script using Wise
> Installation v9.  It is an AXP ade connecting to SQL2K.

> The references that appear in the references box are -
> vbe6.dll, msacc.olb, stdole2.tlb, msado25.tlb, dao360.dll, excel.exe.
> 
> We have tried registering the files using regsvr.exe but this hasn't
> helped.
> 
> Can anyone please provide any things we can try?

I'd guess that it's the Excel reference that is killing the 
installation.

You are developing on OXP, so you end up with a reference to Excel 
XP. Then when you install your ADE on a box with O2K, there is no 
Excel XP to reference.

About the only way to get around that that I can think of is to 
change your code to use late binding for the Excel routines and 
unreference (dereference??) Excel.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never 
cease to be amused.

From bbruen at bigpond.com  Wed May 21 20:27:14 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:27:14 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Blank Access Screen
In-Reply-To: <8DA8776D2F418E46A2A464AC6CE6305091E0@outbaksrv1.outbaktech.com>
Message-ID: <004201c32001$471524d0$4844fea9@bbb888>

If its the same phenomena as I have experienced on A2K, hitting F5
usually displays them properly.  I haven't seen it in AXP though?
Bruce
 <snip>

 On another newgroup one person asked the following:
"When I am working on a form and then close it, the Form list is blank.
If I click Reports, Tables, etc.. and click back, the Forms are once
again listed. The same happens with Reports and Tables, etc.. It does
not happen every time, but very often. It is mostly annoying. And it
happens in multiple databases not just one. I have Office SR-3 loaded.
Has anyone every come accross this before? How do I stop it."
<snip>


From papparuff at attbi.com  Wed May 21 20:29:20 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 18:29:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522123817.00b49200@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <001601c32001$91efbdd0$6401a8c0@papparuff>

Bryan is correct.  Unless you want to manually change the references
from Excel 10.0 to Excel 9.0, change your excel code to late binding.


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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 6:00 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com; ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM
Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?


Crossposted (because it is urgent :))

Hello groups.

I have an installation created by a sagekey script using Wise
Installation 
v9.  It is an AXP ade connecting to SQL2K.

When the program is installed on a machine running Office XP it runs 
fine.  If the computer only has Office 2K then there seems to be a 
reference problem because in fields that use Date() to set defaults it
only 
shows #Name.  We tested on a machine that had OXP by downgrading it to
O2K 
and the installation suddenly didn't work any more.

The references that appear in the references box are - vbe6.dll,
msacc.olb, stdole2.tlb, msado25.tlb, dao360.dll, excel.exe.

We have tried registering the files using regsvr.exe but this hasn't
helped.

Can anyone please provide any things we can try?


Regards

David Emerson
DALYN Software Ltd
25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205 

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AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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From SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au  Wed May 21 20:30:49 2003
From: SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au (Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:30:49 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522123817.00b49200@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20030522132239.00b48828@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <008f01c32001$c6fcac90$54dd31d2@OfficePC>

David - could it be the vbe6.dll problem..if you've had XP installed on that PC and gone back to 2000..

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q304548


If is is then I have a copy of the MS patch for that.

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Emerson 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 11:24 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?


  All the machines are W2000NT.  I am sure that it is not just Date() function but a reference problem as there are other parts of the program that are behaving similarly.

  David

  At 22/05/2003, you wrote:

    David - there was an old problem with date() for Win98 machines - what OS are they using?
     
    Have you tried that with Now() instead?
     
    Kath
     
    ----- Original Message ----- 

      From: David Emerson 

      To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com ; ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM 

      Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 11:00 AM

      Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?


      Crossposted (because it is urgent :))


      Hello groups.


      I have an installation created by a sagekey script using Wise Installation 

      v9.  It is an AXP ade connecting to SQL2K.


      When the program is installed on a machine running Office XP it runs 

      fine.  If the computer only has Office 2K then there seems to be a 

      reference problem because in fields that use Date() to set defaults it only 

      shows #Name.  We tested on a machine that had OXP by downgrading it to O2K 

      and the installation suddenly didn't work any more.


      The references that appear in the references box are -

      vbe6.dll, msacc.olb, stdole2.tlb, msado25.tlb, dao360.dll, excel.exe.


      We have tried registering the files using regsvr.exe but this hasn't helped.


      Can anyone please provide any things we can try?



      Regards


      David Emerson

      DALYN Software Ltd

      25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville

      Wellington, New Zealand

      Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205 


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed May 21 20:38:28 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 20:38:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C77@main2.marlow.com>

Oh, okay.  Personally I like to stick to black and white, as often as
possible.  Literally.  I use black backgrounds with white text.  I just
think it sticks out better then black on white.  However, something to keep
in mind, color is nice, however, a large portion of the population is color
blind to a certain extent.  Always be sure that places where color is used,
and differentiating things of different color is important, to use colors
that 'clash' spectrally, so even if someone is seeing it as shades of grey
(a severe color blind person), they would still see the difference.
 
That's my only tip......
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 4:07 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


We're about to start designing the interface for a data mining application.
My team hasn't had any formal training on interface design, and I didn't
want them to get all their ideas from me - better if they have a range of
examples! So we're having a couple of workshops where we discuss design
principles before we start doing the spec. This application will take a few
weeks to write and, if we get it right, be in use for 2-3 years so it's
worth putting some thought into.
 
Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 20:10
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


What kind of 'interface' are you looking for?
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:53 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples



Hi all 

Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a discussion about interface
design, and someone was hosting a gallery of different interfaces that had
been done with Access?

Does anybody know if it's still there, where it was, and whether there are
any other good resources out there? 

TIA 

Roz 

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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Wed May 21 20:45:28 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:45:28 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
In-Reply-To: <008f01c32001$c6fcac90$54dd31d2@OfficePC>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522123817.00b49200@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
 <5.2.0.9.0.20030522132239.00b48828@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522134415.00b1c348@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Thanks Kath,  However the Office installation doesn't include Access.  The 
only version on the computers is my runtime which is AXP.

David

At 22/05/2003, you wrote:
>David - could it be the vbe6.dll problem..if you've had XP installed on 
>that PC and gone back to 2000..
>
><http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q304548>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q304548
>
>
>If is is then I have a copy of the MS patch for that.
>
>Kath
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:davide at dalyn.co.nz>David Emerson
>To: <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 11:24 AM
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
>
>All the machines are W2000NT.  I am sure that it is not just Date() 
>function but a reference problem as there are other parts of the program 
>that are behaving similarly.
>
>David
>
>At 22/05/2003, you wrote:
>>David - there was an old problem with date() for Win98 machines - what OS 
>>are they using?
>>
>>Have you tried that with Now() instead?
>>
>>Kath
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <mailto:davide at dalyn.co.nz>David Emerson
>>To: <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>accessd at databaseadvisors.com ; 
>><mailto:ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM>ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM
>>Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 11:00 AM
>>Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
>>Crossposted (because it is urgent :))
>>Hello groups.
>>I have an installation created by a sagekey script using Wise Installation
>>v9.  It is an AXP ade connecting to SQL2K.
>>When the program is installed on a machine running Office XP it runs
>>fine.  If the computer only has Office 2K then there seems to be a
>>reference problem because in fields that use Date() to set defaults it only
>>shows #Name.  We tested on a machine that had OXP by downgrading it to O2K
>>and the installation suddenly didn't work any more.
>>The references that appear in the references box are -
>>vbe6.dll, msacc.olb, stdole2.tlb, msado25.tlb, dao360.dll, excel.exe.
>>We have tried registering the files using regsvr.exe but this hasn't helped.
>>Can anyone please provide any things we can try?
>>
>>Regards
>>David Emerson
>>DALYN Software Ltd
>>25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
>>Wellington, New Zealand
>>Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205
>>_______________________________________________
>>AccessD mailing list
>><mailto:AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>Website: <http://www.databaseadvisors.com>http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
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>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Wed May 21 20:46:35 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:46:35 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
In-Reply-To: <001601c32001$91efbdd0$6401a8c0@papparuff>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522123817.00b49200@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522134550.00b47ed0@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Thanks - What about installing Excel 10.  Would that solve the problem?

David

At 21/05/2003, you wrote:
>Bryan is correct.  Unless you want to manually change the references
>from Excel 10.0 to Excel 9.0, change your excel code to late binding.
>
>
>John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
>Always Looking For Contract Opportunities
>
>Home: 253.588.2139
>Cell: 253.307.2947
>9306 Farwest Dr SW
>Lakewood, WA 98498
>
>"Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
>                 and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
>Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 6:00 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com; ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM
>Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
>
>
>Crossposted (because it is urgent :))
>
>Hello groups.
>
>I have an installation created by a sagekey script using Wise
>Installation
>v9.  It is an AXP ade connecting to SQL2K.
>
>When the program is installed on a machine running Office XP it runs
>fine.  If the computer only has Office 2K then there seems to be a
>reference problem because in fields that use Date() to set defaults it
>only
>shows #Name.  We tested on a machine that had OXP by downgrading it to
>O2K
>and the installation suddenly didn't work any more.
>
>The references that appear in the references box are - vbe6.dll,
>msacc.olb, stdole2.tlb, msado25.tlb, dao360.dll, excel.exe.
>
>We have tried registering the files using regsvr.exe but this hasn't
>helped.
>
>Can anyone please provide any things we can try?
>
>
>Regards
>
>David Emerson
>DALYN Software Ltd
>25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
>Wellington, New Zealand
>Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205
>
>_______________________________________________
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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Wed May 21 20:51:35 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:51:35 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
In-Reply-To: <001601c32001$91efbdd0$6401a8c0@papparuff>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522123817.00b49200@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522134736.00b523f8@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Do you have any examples of late binding?  The main tasks I am doing is 
export data to a spreadsheet, then open it up and format it.

David

At 21/05/2003, you wrote:
>Bryan is correct.  Unless you want to manually change the references
>from Excel 10.0 to Excel 9.0, change your excel code to late binding.
>
>
>John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
>Always Looking For Contract Opportunities
>
>Home: 253.588.2139
>Cell: 253.307.2947
>9306 Farwest Dr SW
>Lakewood, WA 98498
>
>"Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
>                 and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
>Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 6:00 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com; ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM
>Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
>
>
>Crossposted (because it is urgent :))
>
>Hello groups.
>
>I have an installation created by a sagekey script using Wise
>Installation
>v9.  It is an AXP ade connecting to SQL2K.
>
>When the program is installed on a machine running Office XP it runs
>fine.  If the computer only has Office 2K then there seems to be a
>reference problem because in fields that use Date() to set defaults it
>only
>shows #Name.  We tested on a machine that had OXP by downgrading it to
>O2K
>and the installation suddenly didn't work any more.
>
>The references that appear in the references box are - vbe6.dll,
>msacc.olb, stdole2.tlb, msado25.tlb, dao360.dll, excel.exe.
>
>We have tried registering the files using regsvr.exe but this hasn't
>helped.
>
>Can anyone please provide any things we can try?
>
>
>Regards
>
>David Emerson
>DALYN Software Ltd
>25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
>Wellington, New Zealand
>Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205
>
>_______________________________________________
>AccessD mailing list
>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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>
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From papparuff at attbi.com  Wed May 21 21:52:53 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 19:52:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522134736.00b523f8@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <002601c3200d$3dd09790$6401a8c0@papparuff>

Dave,

It's basically changing your dim statements from Excel objects to just
Object, like this:

Dim objXLS as Excel.Application
Dim objBook as Excel.Workbook 
Dim objSheet as Excel.WorkSheet

To

Dim objXLS as Object
Dim objBook as Object 
Dim objSheet as Object

 

John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
Always Looking For Contract Opportunities

Home: 253.588.2139
Cell: 253.307.2947
9306 Farwest Dr SW
Lakewood, WA 98498

"Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
                and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 6:52 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?


Do you have any examples of late binding?  The main tasks I am doing is 
export data to a spreadsheet, then open it up and format it.

David

At 21/05/2003, you wrote:
>Bryan is correct.  Unless you want to manually change the references 
>from Excel 10.0 to Excel 9.0, change your excel code to late binding.
>
>
>John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
>Always Looking For Contract Opportunities
>
>Home: 253.588.2139
>Cell: 253.307.2947
>9306 Farwest Dr SW
>Lakewood, WA 98498
>
>"Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
>                 and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David 
>Emerson
>Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 6:00 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com; ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM
>Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
>
>
>Crossposted (because it is urgent :))
>
>Hello groups.
>
>I have an installation created by a sagekey script using Wise 
>Installation v9.  It is an AXP ade connecting to SQL2K.
>
>When the program is installed on a machine running Office XP it runs 
>fine.  If the computer only has Office 2K then there seems to be a 
>reference problem because in fields that use Date() to set defaults it 
>only shows #Name.  We tested on a machine that had OXP by downgrading 
>it to O2K
>and the installation suddenly didn't work any more.
>
>The references that appear in the references box are - vbe6.dll, 
>msacc.olb, stdole2.tlb, msado25.tlb, dao360.dll, excel.exe.
>
>We have tried registering the files using regsvr.exe but this hasn't 
>helped.
>
>Can anyone please provide any things we can try?
>
>
>Regards
>
>David Emerson
>DALYN Software Ltd
>25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
>Wellington, New Zealand
>Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205
>
>_______________________________________________
>AccessD mailing list
>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From michael.maddison at ddisolutions.com.au  Wed May 21 22:32:36 2003
From: michael.maddison at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:32:36 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method
Message-ID: <6D8C24685B2A614481AD0BDAB0AC94F9035C51@ddi-pdc.DDISolutions.ddisolutions.com.au>

John,

Open the options dialog from the menu and under Environment -> Keyboard
make sure use VB6 mappings
are selected.

HTH

Michael M


The help says it does work that way, but it isn't working for me.  I
could swear it was in the past though.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 12:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method


Ah, I didn't understand what you were describing.  So it doesn't work
that way in VS.Net?  It does in VS6.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 7:52 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method


Shft F2 is supposed to take you to the object under the cursor (for
editing, not "stepping" in debug).  So if I am in functionA and am
writing the text MyObj.MyMethod, I place the cursor over .MyMethod and
hit Shft-F2 and the editor moves the focus to that method.  It is a
quick and easy way to go look at the code, open the module etc.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 11:32 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method


Um, if you're already in a method of the object, why do you need to hit
shift+F2?  And is this VS.Net or VS 6?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 6:02 AM
To: VBA; AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method


In Access placing the insertion pointer in a method of an object and
hitting shft-F2 takes you to that method of that object (to the code).
It actually takes you to anything, variable etc.  According to the help
file "shortcut keys" this is supposed to work in the Visual Studio
editor as well, and I could swear that I have used it, but I am not
getting it to work now.  Is this supposed to work the same way as in the
Access VBA editor?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed May 21 22:41:32 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 23:41:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method
In-Reply-To: <6D8C24685B2A614481AD0BDAB0AC94F9035C51@ddi-pdc.DDISolutions.ddisolutions.com.au>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEFNDNAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Hey... you da man!!!

Thanks,

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael
Maddison
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 11:33 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method


John,

Open the options dialog from the menu and under Environment -> Keyboard
make sure use VB6 mappings
are selected.

HTH

Michael M


The help says it does work that way, but it isn't working for me.  I
could swear it was in the past though.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 12:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method


Ah, I didn't understand what you were describing.  So it doesn't work
that way in VS.Net?  It does in VS6.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 7:52 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method


Shft F2 is supposed to take you to the object under the cursor (for
editing, not "stepping" in debug).  So if I am in functionA and am
writing the text MyObj.MyMethod, I place the cursor over .MyMethod and
hit Shft-F2 and the editor moves the focus to that method.  It is a
quick and easy way to go look at the code, open the module etc.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 11:32 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method


Um, if you're already in a method of the object, why do you need to hit
shift+F2?  And is this VS.Net or VS 6?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 6:02 AM
To: VBA; AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method


In Access placing the insertion pointer in a method of an object and
hitting shft-F2 takes you to that method of that object (to the code).
It actually takes you to anything, variable etc.  According to the help
file "shortcut keys" this is supposed to work in the Visual Studio
editor as well, and I could swear that I have used it, but I am not
getting it to work now.  Is this supposed to work the same way as in the
Access VBA editor?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au  Wed May 21 23:25:15 2003
From: SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au (Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:25:15 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Custom  report page length - A2K - Urgent!
References: <004201c32000$b6cf8cd0$54dd31d2@OfficePC>
Message-ID: <001a01c3201a$258c8330$54dd31d2@OfficePC>

I have worked out how to create a custom paper size  now, but that's still not helping me.

I need to print 3 vouchers on an A4 page - imagine the page divided horizontally into 3. I can't do it by just setting margins etc. because within each voucher there may be 1 detail record, ot there may be up to 5, so Access keeps moving the sections around on me.

TIA
Kath

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd. 
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 11:23 AM
  Subject: [AccessD] Custom report page length - A2K - Urgent!


  I am printing vouchers - 3 per page on an A4 sheet.

  I thought this would be dead easy - but how do I set a custom paper size?

  TIA

  Kath Pelletti
  Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
  Ph: 9505-6714
  Fax: 9505-6430
  SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au


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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed May 21 23:39:54 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 21:39:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522123817.00b49200@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
 <5.2.0.9.0.20030522134736.00b523f8@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <3ECC549A.80509@shaw.ca>

Dim objExcelapp As Object
 'show version of excel
'for example Excel XP version 10.0
'grabs last used version or highest version of Excel if multi install of 
Excel dunno?
  On Error Resume Next

Set objExcelapp = CreateObject("excel.application")
If Err.Number Then
     MsgBox "Excel not installed or not registered for Automation"
     Exit Sub
  End If
MsgBox "Excel Version: " & objExcelappVersion
objExcelapp.Quit

Set objExcelapp = Nothing
MsgBox "Excel Version: " & sVersion

David Emerson wrote:

> Do you have any examples of late binding?  The main tasks I am doing 
> is export data to a spreadsheet, then open it up and format it.
>
> David
>
> At 21/05/2003, you wrote:
>
>> Bryan is correct.  Unless you want to manually change the references
>> from Excel 10.0 to Excel 9.0, change your excel code to late binding.
>>
>>
>> John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
>> Always Looking For Contract Opportunities
>>
>> Home: 253.588.2139
>> Cell: 253.307.2947
>> 9306 Farwest Dr SW
>> Lakewood, WA 98498
>>
>> "Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
>>                 and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 6:00 PM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com; ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM
>> Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
>>
>>
>> Crossposted (because it is urgent :))
>>
>> Hello groups.
>>
>> I have an installation created by a sagekey script using Wise
>> Installation
>> v9.  It is an AXP ade connecting to SQL2K.
>>
>> When the program is installed on a machine running Office XP it runs
>> fine.  If the computer only has Office 2K then there seems to be a
>> reference problem because in fields that use Date() to set defaults it
>> only
>> shows #Name.  We tested on a machine that had OXP by downgrading it to
>> O2K
>> and the installation suddenly didn't work any more.
>>
>> The references that appear in the references box are - vbe6.dll,
>> msacc.olb, stdole2.tlb, msado25.tlb, dao360.dll, excel.exe.
>>
>> We have tried registering the files using regsvr.exe but this hasn't
>> helped.
>>
>> Can anyone please provide any things we can try?
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> David Emerson
>> DALYN Software Ltd
>> 25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
>> Wellington, New Zealand
>> Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
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>
>
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From my.lists at verizon.net  Thu May 22 00:05:11 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 22:05:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Using blat
References: <000f01c31ff6$18152280$54dd31d2@OfficePC>
Message-ID: <00b701c3201f$b9863040$fd512304@amd2k>

I have something I can send to you... but blat is not a DLL but a self contained SMTP application.  You do NOT need to install it in order to get it to work, it just makes life easier :)

I will wrap up a sample tomorrow.. right now it's still wrapped up in our application :)

-Francisco
http://rcm.netfirms.com/
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd. 
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 5:07 PM
  Subject: [AccessD] Using blat


  Hi everybody.

  As I am having a couple of issues with Outlook which I normally use for sending email from my mdb's, I want to try Blat which so many of you have recommended.

  I am lost re: the installation and use of it.

  I have read the readme which assumes a bit more knowledge than I have. I have copied blat.exe to c:\winnt\system32 and the next instruction is :

  "Run "Blat -install yourhost.site.blah.blah youruserid at site.blah.blah" which I am battling with.

  What is: 'yourhost', 'site', blah blah? 
  And how does this work with client installs?
  (In today's case I want to send email through Outlook Express). 

  BTW, does anyone have a sample mdb whichuses Blat? Or does anyone have something else they can recommend?

  TIA
  Kath





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  Ph: 9505-6714
  Fax: 9505-6430
  SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au


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From SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au  Thu May 22 00:05:22 2003
From: SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au (Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:05:22 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Using blat
References: <000f01c31ff6$18152280$54dd31d2@OfficePC>
	<00b701c3201f$b9863040$fd512304@amd2k>
Message-ID: <001901c3201f$bf613640$54dd31d2@OfficePC>

Thanks Francisco

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Francisco Tapia 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 3:05 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using blat


  I have something I can send to you... but blat is not a DLL but a self contained SMTP application.  You do NOT need to install it in order to get it to work, it just makes life easier :)

  I will wrap up a sample tomorrow.. right now it's still wrapped up in our application :)

  -Francisco
  http://rcm.netfirms.com/
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd. 
    To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
    Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 5:07 PM
    Subject: [AccessD] Using blat


    Hi everybody.

    As I am having a couple of issues with Outlook which I normally use for sending email from my mdb's, I want to try Blat which so many of you have recommended.

    I am lost re: the installation and use of it.

    I have read the readme which assumes a bit more knowledge than I have. I have copied blat.exe to c:\winnt\system32 and the next instruction is :

    "Run "Blat -install yourhost.site.blah.blah youruserid at site.blah.blah" which I am battling with.

    What is: 'yourhost', 'site', blah blah? 
    And how does this work with client installs?
    (In today's case I want to send email through Outlook Express). 

    BTW, does anyone have a sample mdb whichuses Blat? Or does anyone have something else they can recommend?

    TIA
    Kath





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    Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
    Ph: 9505-6714
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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Thu May 22 00:08:36 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 17:08:36 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
In-Reply-To: <002601c3200d$3dd09790$6401a8c0@papparuff>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522134736.00b523f8@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522161528.00b523f8@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Thanks for your help John, Bryan and Kath.  It was the Excel 
references.  At least I know what I am dealing with.

David

At 21/05/2003, you wrote:
>Dave,
>
>It's basically changing your dim statements from Excel objects to just
>Object, like this:
>
>Dim objXLS as Excel.Application
>Dim objBook as Excel.Workbook
>Dim objSheet as Excel.WorkSheet
>
>To
>
>Dim objXLS as Object
>Dim objBook as Object
>Dim objSheet as Object
>
>
>
>John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
>Always Looking For Contract Opportunities
>
>Home: 253.588.2139
>Cell: 253.307.2947
>9306 Farwest Dr SW
>Lakewood, WA 98498
>
>"Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
>                 and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
>Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 6:52 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
>
>
>Do you have any examples of late binding?  The main tasks I am doing is
>export data to a spreadsheet, then open it up and format it.
>
>David
>
>At 21/05/2003, you wrote:
> >Bryan is correct.  Unless you want to manually change the references
> >from Excel 10.0 to Excel 9.0, change your excel code to late binding.
> >
> >
> >John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
> >Always Looking For Contract Opportunities
> >
> >Home: 253.588.2139
> >Cell: 253.307.2947
> >9306 Farwest Dr SW
> >Lakewood, WA 98498
> >
> >"Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
> >                 and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David
> >Emerson
> >Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 6:00 PM
> >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com; ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM
> >Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
> >
> >
> >Crossposted (because it is urgent :))
> >
> >Hello groups.
> >
> >I have an installation created by a sagekey script using Wise
> >Installation v9.  It is an AXP ade connecting to SQL2K.
> >
> >When the program is installed on a machine running Office XP it runs
> >fine.  If the computer only has Office 2K then there seems to be a
> >reference problem because in fields that use Date() to set defaults it
> >only shows #Name.  We tested on a machine that had OXP by downgrading
> >it to O2K
> >and the installation suddenly didn't work any more.
> >
> >The references that appear in the references box are - vbe6.dll,
> >msacc.olb, stdole2.tlb, msado25.tlb, dao360.dll, excel.exe.
> >
> >We have tried registering the files using regsvr.exe but this hasn't
> >helped.
> >
> >Can anyone please provide any things we can try?
> >
> >
> >Regards
> >
> >David Emerson
> >DALYN Software Ltd
> >25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
> >Wellington, New Zealand
> >Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205
> >
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu May 22 00:37:46 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (stuart at lexacorp.com.pg)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:37:46 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Using blat
In-Reply-To: <001901c3201f$bf613640$54dd31d2@OfficePC>
Message-ID: <3ECCEECA.16735.1B387CB@localhost>

On 22 May 2003 at 15:05, Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd. wrote:

> I have something I can send to you... but blat is not a DLL but a self 
> contained SMTP application. You do NOT need to install it in order to 
> get it to work, it just makes life easier :)
> 
> I will wrap up a sample tomorrow.. right now it's still wrapped up in 
> our application :)
> 

Blat comes as both a DLL and a stand alone application. I've got half a 
dozen apps that use the Blat.dll

It works just like the command line Blat with one proviso, the DLL is very 
sensitive to extra spaces in the cammand string. You need exactly one 
space between each parameter.-- 
Lexacorp Ltd
Information Technology Consultancy, Application Development





From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu May 22 00:37:47 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (stuart at lexacorp.com.pg)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:37:47 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Using blat
In-Reply-To: <000f01c31ff6$18152280$54dd31d2@OfficePC>
Message-ID: <3ECCEECB.23318.1B38BA9@localhost>

On 22 May 2003 at 10:07, Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd. wrote:

> 
> Hi everybody.
> 
> As I am having a couple of issues with Outlook which I normally use for sending email from my 
> mdb's, I want to try Blat which so many of you have recommended.
> 
> I am lost re: the installation and use of it.
> 
> I have read the readme which assumes a bit more knowledge than I have. I have copied blat.exe 
> to c:\winnt\system32 and the next instruction is :
> 
> "Run "Blat -install yourhost.site.blah.blah youruserid at site.blah.blah" which I am battling with.
> 
> What is: 'yourhost', 'site', blah blah? 
> And how does this work with client installs?
> (In today's case I want to send email through Outlook Express). 
> 
Blat doesn't use a client at all - so you don't end up with anything in your Outlook ro 
whatever Sent Box.  Blat sends a message directly to your SMTP server (which 
may be an Exchange box or may be your ISP depending on how you are set up.

Don't bother with the install, just give all the paramters on the command line.


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu May 22 02:05:07 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:05:07 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522134550.00b47ed0@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522123817.00b49200@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
 <5.2.0.9.0.20030522134550.00b47ed0@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <1203003338.20030522090507@cactus.dk>

Hi David

> Thanks - What about installing Excel 10.  Would that solve the problem?

Probably - you could also choose to refresh that reference by removing
it and adding it back; that will reference the current version.

/gustav


>>Bryan is correct.  Unless you want to manually change the references
>>from Excel 10.0 to Excel 9.0, change your excel code to late binding.


From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu May 22 02:17:11 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:17:11 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Custom  report page length - A2K - Urgent!
In-Reply-To: <004201c32000$b6cf8cd0$54dd31d2@OfficePC>
References: <004201c32000$b6cf8cd0$54dd31d2@OfficePC>
Message-ID: <1773727509.20030522091711@cactus.dk>

Hi Kath

> I am printing vouchers - 3 per page on an A4 sheet.
> I thought this would be dead easy - but how do I set a custom paper size?

You don't - because the paper size is A4.

Remove any headers and footers and adjust the detail section to use
1/3 of the paper height excluding top/bottom margins.

This assumes you are printing in portrait with the vouchers filling
the width of the paper and 1/3 of the height (99 x 210 mm, h x w),
although you write that the page is divided horizontally - but that
would be a very strange format (297 x 70 mm, h x w. Or w x h in
landscape).

/gustav


From andrew.curtis at wapl.com.au  Thu May 22 02:45:34 2003
From: andrew.curtis at wapl.com.au (Curtis, Andrew (WAPL))
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:45:34 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Sony Digicam API
Message-ID: <1C66E1A38F4E22499CE329884E3FA8B101E23A25@WAPLMAIL.wapl.com.au>

John, google produce some interesting hits:
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=sony+video+camera+API&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-
8&hl=en&meta=


andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Monday, 19 May 2003 11:01 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Sony Digicam API


I bought a Sony digicam for Mothers day and it has a cool little program
that can operate the camera over the USB port, moving back and forth in
the tape.  The camera itself can label segments on the tape, delete
labeled segments etc.  I was wondering if there is an API for
programming the video camera by sending "commands" over the USB port.
It seems like it must exist, but I can't find any such thing.  Has
anyone ever tried something like this?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From andrew.curtis at wapl.com.au  Thu May 22 02:52:31 2003
From: andrew.curtis at wapl.com.au (Curtis, Andrew (WAPL))
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:52:31 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] ODBC-Problem (Cross-posted)
Message-ID: <1C66E1A38F4E22499CE329884E3FA8B101E23A27@WAPLMAIL.wapl.com.au>

IN SQL Server help, lookup distinctrow or distinct I recal seeing siomething on this in there.

andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Br?sdorf [mailto:michael.broesdorf at web.de] 
Sent: Monday, 19 May 2003 4:23 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com; dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] ODBC-Problem (Cross-posted)


Hi all,

I have a strange problem with my Access 2K app:

The app uses linked ODBC tables to connect to a SQL-Server 2000. One of the tables actually links a view that combines data from 2 tables. A data entry form is based on that linked table.

I can update data in all the fields with one exception: when I try to update data in fields that originate from both base tables I get this ODBC error:

"[Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][SQL Server]View of function 'dbo.myview' is not updateable because the modification affects multiple base tables. (#4405#)"

It does not make a difference if I try that in the data entry form or the linked table directly.

Now, the strange thing is, if I open the view on the server using the enterprise manager, I _can_ update fields from different base tables simultaneously.

Is there any way to 'convince' my app, that this kind of updates _is_ possible?



Michael

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From SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au  Thu May 22 02:56:22 2003
From: SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au (Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 17:56:22 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Custom  report page length - A2K - Urgent!
References: <004201c32000$b6cf8cd0$54dd31d2@OfficePC>
	<1773727509.20030522091711@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000b01c32037$a3133160$54dd31d2@OfficePC>

Hi Gustav - in this report each voucher has a header (item header) with a description of the item and the detail section may have 1 or up to 5 items relating to that item. So fixing the detail height doesn't solve it because it will repeat depending on whether the item has 1,2,3,4, or 5 recs.

I need to specify that the whole report take a max of 9.0 cm height, which allows for my 5 detail recs.

I have had a play with using the top property on my item header's 'format' event, but no luck.

If I could get the beginning of each of the 3 repetitions of the report to start at 1, 10.9 and 20.9 cms. respectively instead of moving around that's all I need. This client uses paper with perforated sections for easy detaching into vouchers.
eg.

-----------------------------------
| Item Header               |
| detail rec 1                 |
| detail rec 2                 |
|                                  |
|                                  |
|                                  |
|----------------------------------|
| Item  Header               |
| detail rec 1                 |
| detail rec 2                 |
| detail rec 3                 |
| detail rec 4                 |
| detail rec 5                 |
|----------------------------------|
| Item Header               |
| detail rec 1                 |
| detail rec 2                 |
| detail rec 3                 |
| detail rec 4                 |
|                                  |
-----------------------------------


Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gustav Brock 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 5:17 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Custom report page length - A2K - Urgent!


  Hi Kath

  > I am printing vouchers - 3 per page on an A4 sheet.
  > I thought this would be dead easy - but how do I set a custom paper size?

  You don't - because the paper size is A4.

  Remove any headers and footers and adjust the detail section to use
  1/3 of the paper height excluding top/bottom margins.

  This assumes you are printing in portrait with the vouchers filling
  the width of the paper and 1/3 of the height (99 x 210 mm, h x w),
  although you write that the page is divided horizontally - but that
  would be a very strange format (297 x 70 mm, h x w. Or w x h in
  landscape).

  /gustav

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu May 22 03:18:58 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 10:18:58 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Custom  report page length - A2K - Urgent!
In-Reply-To: <000b01c32037$a3133160$54dd31d2@OfficePC>
References: <004201c32000$b6cf8cd0$54dd31d2@OfficePC>
	<000b01c32037$a3133160$54dd31d2@OfficePC>
Message-ID: <267434299.20030522101858@cactus.dk>

Hi Kath

In that case I would include the vouchers as a subreport on a blank
main page. Set CanGrow and CanShrink to False for the subreport.

/gustav


> Hi Gustav - in this report each voucher has a header (item header)
> with a description of the item and the detail section may have 1 or
> up to 5 items relating to that item. So fixing the detail height
> doesn't solve it because it will repeat depending on whether the
> item has 1,2,3,4, or 5 recs.  

> I need to specify that the whole report take a max of 9.0 cm height,
> which allows for my 5 detail recs. 


From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Thu May 22 03:36:00 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:36:00 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956A07@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

I get 152 files, but I couldn't tell you how many folders it's looking
through. 

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Lytle [mailto:nancy.lytle at auatac.com] 
Sent: 21 May 2003 18:26
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


I got 171 listed in mine. The question is what do those directories have in
common. First step would be to create a directory name M then put a copy of
northwind in it and run it again and see what happens.

Nancy Lytle

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Allen
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 12:47 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Is there a limit to the number of directories and subdirectories that can be
searched/found this way? There used to be some absolute limits to the number
of directories in the root and other stuff... I'm wondering if there is a
limit, artificial or not, being hit here. Does it by chance find "exactly"
128, or 256, or 512, etc. folders/files before choking?


>-----Original Message-----
>From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
>Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 11:50 AM
>To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
>Interesting fact just spotted... All of the directories
>it doesn't look in
>are those which come after M in the alphabet and are
>coming from the root
>folder, and their sub-directories.
>
>It's as if it gets so far and just stops. Any way to troubleshoot what 
>it's doing? Why it's breaking?
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From SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au  Thu May 22 03:45:19 2003
From: SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au (Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 18:45:19 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Custom  report page length - A2K - Urgent!
References: 	<004201c32000$b6cf8cd0$54dd31d2@OfficePC><000b01c32037$a3133160$54dd31d2@OfficePC>
	<267434299.20030522101858@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001001c3203e$798bc490$54dd31d2@OfficePC>

You're right....I really must be tired.

Thanks Gustav. Much appreciated.
Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gustav Brock 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 6:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Custom report page length - A2K - Urgent!


  Hi Kath

  In that case I would include the vouchers as a subreport on a blank
  main page. Set CanGrow and CanShrink to False for the subreport.

  /gustav


  > Hi Gustav - in this report each voucher has a header (item header)
  > with a description of the item and the detail section may have 1 or
  > up to 5 items relating to that item. So fixing the detail height
  > doesn't solve it because it will repeat depending on whether the
  > item has 1,2,3,4, or 5 recs.  

  > I need to specify that the whole report take a max of 9.0 cm height,
  > which allows for my 5 detail recs. 

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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Thu May 22 04:02:53 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 10:02:53 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956A0E@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

This may be the case, but wouldn't explain why Charlotte got 0 files
returned in her search...

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Allen [mailto:chizotz at charter.net] 
Sent: 21 May 2003 17:47
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Is there a limit to the number of directories and 
subdirectories that can be searched/found this way? There 
used to be some absolute limits to the number of 
directories in the root and other stuff... I'm wondering 
if there is a limit, artificial or not, being hit here. 
Does it by chance find "exactly" 128, or 256, or 512, etc. 
folders/files before choking?


>-----Original Message-----
>From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
>Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 11:50 AM
>To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
>Interesting fact just spotted... All of the directories
>it doesn't look in
>are those which come after M in the alphabet and are 
>coming from the root
>folder, and their sub-directories.
>
>It's as if it gets so far and just stops. Any way to
>troubleshoot what it's
>doing? Why it's breaking?
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Thu May 22 04:03:36 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 10:03:36 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956A0F@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

This guy is great! Thank you everyone.
 
Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com] 
Sent: 21 May 2003 13:28
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Hey, 
You can read several chapters from the book here:
http://tinyurl.com/8hc8 <http://tinyurl.com/8hc8> 
 
Not sure if these are the full chapters or not.
 
Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Bond
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:17 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Second that Charlotte.  Published by Apress.  ISBN 1-893115-94-1 (pbk.)
 
Stephen Bond

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 21 May 2003 2:57 a.m.
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


There's also a great book out call User Interface Design for Programmers, by
Joel Spolsky, that discusses Windows interface design in general, complete
with examples of what to avoid.
 
Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 


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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Thu May 22 04:28:08 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 05:28:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522134550.00b47ed0@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
References: <001601c32001$91efbdd0$6401a8c0@papparuff>
Message-ID: <3ECC5FE8.32676.10B0F0@localhost>

On 22 May 2003 at 13:46, David Emerson wrote:

> Thanks - What about installing Excel 10.  Would that solve the
> problem?

Yep. It should.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Never test for a bug you don't know how to fix.



From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Thu May 22 04:28:08 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 05:28:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
In-Reply-To: <1203003338.20030522090507@cactus.dk>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522134550.00b47ed0@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <3ECC5FE8.10861.10B0AA@localhost>

On 22 May 2003 at 9:05, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi David
> 
> > Thanks - What about installing Excel 10.  Would that solve the
> > problem?
> 
> Probably - you could also choose to refresh that reference by removing
> it and adding it back; that will reference the current version.

Will that work in an ADE? Which is like an MDE IIRC. ANd I didn't 
think that you could do that with an MDE.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Learn from the mistakes of others. You can't live long enough to make 
them all yourself.



From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Thu May 22 04:44:32 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 05:44:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Using blat
In-Reply-To: <00b701c3201f$b9863040$fd512304@amd2k>
Message-ID: <3ECC63C0.8588.1FB483@localhost>

On 21 May 2003 at 22:05, Francisco Tapia wrote:

> I have something I can send to you... but blat is not a DLL but a self
> contained SMTP application.  You do NOT need to install it in order to
> get it to work, it just makes life easier :)
> 
> I will wrap up a sample tomorrow.. right now it's still wrapped up in
> our application :)

There is a sample like this on DBA's website in the downloads 
section.

MailDB.zip - This is a demo of simple outgoing email without using 
MAPI. The code connects directly to the smtp server using sockets. 
The code can be used to send to multiple recipients with multiple 
attachments and can be used for bulk mailing. A simple form is 
included to demonstrate the code usage. - David Phelan

Whch can be found at: http://www.databaseadvisors.com/downloads.htm

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never 
cease to be amused.



From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu May 22 04:55:55 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:55:55 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
In-Reply-To: <3ECC5FE8.10861.10B0AA@localhost>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522134550.00b47ed0@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
 <3ECC5FE8.10861.10B0AA@localhost>
Message-ID: <9313252105.20030522115555@cactus.dk>

Hi Bryan

I don't know - have never tried.

/gustav


>> > Thanks - What about installing Excel 10.  Would that solve the
>> > problem?
>> 
>> Probably - you could also choose to refresh that reference by removing
>> it and adding it back; that will reference the current version.

> Will that work in an ADE? Which is like an MDE IIRC. ANd I didn't 
> think that you could do that with an MDE.


From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca  Thu May 22 07:08:31 2003
From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 08:08:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K -
	References?
Message-ID: <secc8586.053@cbc.ca>

Neither have I.  Hopefully someone else will have a more definitive answer.

I'm not even sute I know exactly what an AD[P|E] is :)

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

>>> gustav at cactus.dk 22-May-03 5:55:55 AM >>>
Hi Bryan

I don't know - have never tried.

/gustav


>> > Thanks - What about installing Excel 10.  Would that solve the
>> > problem?
>> 
>> Probably - you could also choose to refresh that reference by removing
>> it and adding it back; that will reference the current version.

> Will that work in an ADE? Which is like an MDE IIRC. ANd I didn't 
> think that you could do that with an MDE.



From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Thu May 22 07:14:34 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 07:14:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F35844@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Drew,

Thanks for warning me that you use white on black. Ugh!  I will never
visit your website. <grin>

Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 21 20:38
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Oh, okay.  Personally I like to stick to black and white, as often as
possible.  Literally.  I use black backgrounds with white text.  I just
think it sticks out better then black on white.  However, something to
keep in mind, color is nice, however, a large portion of the population
is color blind to a certain extent.  Always be sure that places where
color is used, and differentiating things of different color is
important, to use colors that 'clash' spectrally, so even if someone is
seeing it as shades of grey (a severe color blind person), they would
still see the difference.

That's my only tip......

Drew

From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Thu May 22 07:19:29 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 07:19:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Custom  report page length - A2K - Urgent!
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F35845@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Kath,

The label wizard, customize label sizes, seems to be the way for you.


Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
-----Original Message-----
From: Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
[mailto:SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au] 
Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 21 23:25
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Custom report page length - A2K - Urgent!

I have worked out how to create a custom paper size  now, but that's
still not helping me.

I need to print 3 vouchers on an A4 page - imagine the page divided
horizontally into 3. I can't do it by just setting margins etc. because
within each voucher there may be 1 detail record, ot there may be up to
5, so Access keeps moving the sections around on me.

TIA
Kath

From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu May 22 07:41:19 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 08:41:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
In-Reply-To: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F35844@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEGNDNAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I must say I hate it myself.  I have been researching cameras lately and
there is a specific site, VERY good info, but white on black.  What a strain
it is reading that site.  8-(  I must say I went there and read their info,
every time, but every time came away cursing the eyestrain.

The thing to always remember in building a site is "it isn't what we like
that matters", at least in terms of preferences.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz, Charles
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:15 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Drew,

Thanks for warning me that you use white on black. Ugh!  I will never
visit your website. <grin>

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 21 20:38
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Oh, okay.  Personally I like to stick to black and white, as often as
possible.  Literally.  I use black backgrounds with white text.  I just
think it sticks out better then black on white.  However, something to
keep in mind, color is nice, however, a large portion of the population
is color blind to a certain extent.  Always be sure that places where
color is used, and differentiating things of different color is
important, to use colors that 'clash' spectrally, so even if someone is
seeing it as shades of grey (a severe color blind person), they would
still see the difference.

That's my only tip......

Drew
_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com




From john at winhaven.net  Thu May 22 07:51:00 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 07:51:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A97 on WinXP
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJCEIPEGAA.john@winhaven.net>

Has anyone had any issues show up when installing/running A97 runtime app on
WinXP?

John B.
"In trouble-shooting mode"



From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Thu May 22 08:08:15 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:08:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA303331E0@ADGSERVER>

I am red-green deficient myself.  One of the worst combinations for me on
web sites is red on blue or blue on red!  I have to select the text to read
it - lol.  Also a dark red on black is hard for me to see.
 
Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 9:38 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Oh, okay.  Personally I like to stick to black and white, as often as
possible.  Literally.  I use black backgrounds with white text.  I just
think it sticks out better then black on white.  However, something to keep
in mind, color is nice, however, a large portion of the population is color
blind to a certain extent.  Always be sure that places where color is used,
and differentiating things of different color is important, to use colors
that 'clash' spectrally, so even if someone is seeing it as shades of grey
(a severe color blind person), they would still see the difference.
 
That's my only tip......
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 4:07 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


We're about to start designing the interface for a data mining application.
My team hasn't had any formal training on interface design, and I didn't
want them to get all their ideas from me - better if they have a range of
examples! So we're having a couple of workshops where we discuss design
principles before we start doing the spec. This application will take a few
weeks to write and, if we get it right, be in use for 2-3 years so it's
worth putting some thought into.
 
Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 20:10
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


What kind of 'interface' are you looking for?
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:53 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples



Hi all 

Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a discussion about interface
design, and someone was hosting a gallery of different interfaces that had
been done with Access?

Does anybody know if it's still there, where it was, and whether there are
any other good resources out there? 

TIA 

Roz 

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From john at winhaven.net  Thu May 22 08:08:40 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 08:08:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C77@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKICEKBEHAA.john@winhaven.net>

MessageDrew,
I don't care for white on black. Your site isn't too bad because there isn't
much to read (and I like the wolf logo) but more than a paragraph or so and
the eye strain gets pretty heavy.

To be positive though, it is better than red on black, which I have seen on
at least one web site! Yeeoucch! Talk about eye strain!

JB
  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
  Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:38 PM
  To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


  Oh, okay.  Personally I like to stick to black and white, as often as
possible.  Literally.  I use black backgrounds with white text.  I just
think it sticks out better then black on white.  However, something to keep
in mind, color is nice, however, a large portion of the population is color
blind to a certain extent.  Always be sure that places where color is used,
and differentiating things of different color is important, to use colors
that 'clash' spectrally, so even if someone is seeing it as shades of grey
(a severe color blind person), they would still see the difference.

  That's my only tip......

  Drew
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
    Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 4:07 AM
    To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
    Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


    We're about to start designing the interface for a data mining
application. My team hasn't had any formal training on interface design, and
I didn't want them to get all their ideas from me - better if they have a
range of examples! So we're having a couple of workshops where we discuss
design principles before we start doing the spec. This application will take
a few weeks to write and, if we get it right, be in use for 2-3 years so
it's worth putting some thought into.

    Roz
      -----Original Message-----
      From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
      Sent: 20 May 2003 20:10
      To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
      Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


      What kind of 'interface' are you looking for?

      Drew
        -----Original Message-----
        From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
        Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:53 AM
        To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
        Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


        Hi all

        Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a discussion about
interface design, and someone was hosting a gallery of different interfaces
that had been done with Access?

        Does anybody know if it's still there, where it was, and whether
there are any other good resources out there?

        TIA

        Roz
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu May 22 08:15:58 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:15:58 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <20030522131555.9433C1D86D7@mrburns.nildram.co.uk>

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From SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au  Thu May 22 08:36:02 2003
From: SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au (Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 23:36:02 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Custom  report page length - A2K - Urgent!
References: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F35845@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <004301c32067$16de65e0$54dd31d2@OfficePC>

I wouldn't have thought of that to get a custom page size - very clever. 

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Wortz, Charles 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 10:19 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Custom report page length - A2K - Urgent!


  Kath,

  The label wizard, customize label sizes, seems to be the way for you.


  Charles Wortz 
  Software Development Division 
  Texas Education Agency 
  1701 N. Congress Ave 
  Austin, TX 78701-1494 
  512-463-9493 
  CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
  [mailto:SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au] 
  Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 21 23:25
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Custom report page length - A2K - Urgent!

  I have worked out how to create a custom paper size  now, but that's
  still not helping me.

  I need to print 3 vouchers on an A4 page - imagine the page divided
  horizontally into 3. I can't do it by just setting margins etc. because
  within each voucher there may be 1 detail record, ot there may be up to
  5, so Access keeps moving the sections around on me.

  TIA
  Kath
  _______________________________________________
  AccessD mailing list
  AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
  http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Thu May 22 08:46:08 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:46:08 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956A1F@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Psych studies have actually shown that the human eye differentiates light on
dark more easily than dark on light and a dark background (making up, as it
does, most of the screen) should cause less strain to the eyes, being less
bright.
 
However, I think that we find reading white-on-black easiest because we've
all been habituated to it from reading books.
 
Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: 22 May 2003 14:09
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Drew,
I don't care for white on black. Your site isn't too bad because there isn't
much to read (and I like the wolf logo) but more than a paragraph or so and
the eye strain gets pretty heavy.
 
To be positive though, it is better than red on black, which I have seen on
at least one web site! Yeeoucch! Talk about eye strain!
 
JB

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:38 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Oh, okay.  Personally I like to stick to black and white, as often as
possible.  Literally.  I use black backgrounds with white text.  I just
think it sticks out better then black on white.  However, something to keep
in mind, color is nice, however, a large portion of the population is color
blind to a certain extent.  Always be sure that places where color is used,
and differentiating things of different color is important, to use colors
that 'clash' spectrally, so even if someone is seeing it as shades of grey
(a severe color blind person), they would still see the difference.
 
That's my only tip......
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 4:07 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


We're about to start designing the interface for a data mining application.
My team hasn't had any formal training on interface design, and I didn't
want them to get all their ideas from me - better if they have a range of
examples! So we're having a couple of workshops where we discuss design
principles before we start doing the spec. This application will take a few
weeks to write and, if we get it right, be in use for 2-3 years so it's
worth putting some thought into.
 
Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 20:10
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


What kind of 'interface' are you looking for?
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:53 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples



Hi all 

Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a discussion about interface
design, and someone was hosting a gallery of different interfaces that had
been done with Access?

Does anybody know if it's still there, where it was, and whether there are
any other good resources out there? 

TIA 

Roz 

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From jim.hale at fleetpride.com  Thu May 22 08:50:54 2003
From: jim.hale at fleetpride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 08:50:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Virus
Message-ID: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF873061767B2@corp-es00>

The biggest tipoff that it wasn't really Microsoft was that it was free. <g>
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 11:12 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus


That's pretty much the approach I take too, although I sometimes look at
the header just for amusement.  It's kind of amusing to see
"support at microsoft.com" when the rest of the header is a mismash of
prodigy and other domains with no-name addresses.  Yeah, sure,
Microsoft sent it.  Right.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Williamson [mailto:kwilliam at ashlandnet.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus


I got it too...but knew better than to open it.  ;)  It could be from
GOD...I don't open anything unless I know what it is, first.

Keith E. Williamson
Ashland Equipment, Inc
phone # (410) 273-1856
fax #     (410) 273-1859

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
PBudge at cbsol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 11:43 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus


Ok.  I've only had it here and other than a few internal emails, I only
really get the list on this address.  So when everybody started saying
they'd been getting it too, it seemed possible.

Thanks

Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions


 

                      "Charlotte Foust"

                      <cfoust at infostatsystems.c        To:
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

                      om>                              cc:

                      Sent by:                         Subject:  RE:
[AccessD] Virus

                      accessd-bounces at databasea

                      dvisors.com

 

 

                      05/20/2003 10:08 AM

                      Please respond to accessd

 

 





I've been getting it at work for a week or so, but I'm also getting it
at home on two different email addresses, so I don't think it's related
to the list.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: PBudge at cbsol.com [mailto:PBudge at cbsol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus



I got the exact email yesterday and again today.  Fortunately, I use
Lotus Notes here at work so didn't have any problems with it.  You
getting it too does make me wonder if it's not related to the list
though - perhaps someone else on the list is infected?  I assume that
Drew's archives don't show our email addresses.


Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions




                      "John Colby"

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Just a heads up for those with poor virus protection...

I just got an email "from" 'Support at Microsoft.com', Re: Approved (Ref:
3394-65467).

It had a virus in an attached file which NAV found and quarantined.

John W. Colby
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu May 22 09:01:51 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 10:01:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956A1F@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEHCDNAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

MessageNo, it is more than that.  I know about the studies you refer to but
those refer specifically to printed material.  In the case of a monitor, it
turns out the reverse is true.  The resolution of the screen, the pixel turn
on time (electronics behind the image) and the size of the object being
assimilated by the eye and the brain all play a factor.  Printed material
usually has a very sharply defined "edge" between the dark and the light,
whereas with TV tube monitors, the waveform that defines the dot on the
screen causes the average intensity to be lower than might otherwise
expected.  In essence the "dot" is only fully turned on in the very center,
whereas the edges of the pixel are dimmer.

When taken together, it just doesn't work the same with monitors as it does
with print.  This (your study) may in fact be true again with the new LCD
displays since each pixel really is either on or off, and the entire pixel
is the same intensity across the whole.  In the meantime, I am poor and use
the older technology.  ;-)
John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
  Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 9:46 AM
  To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


  Psych studies have actually shown that the human eye differentiates light
on dark more easily than dark on light and a dark background (making up, as
it does, most of the screen) should cause less strain to the eyes, being
less bright.

  However, I think that we find reading white-on-black easiest because we've
all been habituated to it from reading books.

  Roz
    -----Original Message-----
    From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
    Sent: 22 May 2003 14:09
    To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
    Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


    Drew,
    I don't care for white on black. Your site isn't too bad because there
isn't much to read (and I like the wolf logo) but more than a paragraph or
so and the eye strain gets pretty heavy.

    To be positive though, it is better than red on black, which I have seen
on at least one web site! Yeeoucch! Talk about eye strain!

    JB
      -----Original Message-----
      From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
      Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:38 PM
      To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
      Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


      Oh, okay.  Personally I like to stick to black and white, as often as
possible.  Literally.  I use black backgrounds with white text.  I just
think it sticks out better then black on white.  However, something to keep
in mind, color is nice, however, a large portion of the population is color
blind to a certain extent.  Always be sure that places where color is used,
and differentiating things of different color is important, to use colors
that 'clash' spectrally, so even if someone is seeing it as shades of grey
(a severe color blind person), they would still see the difference.

      That's my only tip......

      Drew
        -----Original Message-----
        From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
        Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 4:07 AM
        To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
        Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


        We're about to start designing the interface for a data mining
application. My team hasn't had any formal training on interface design, and
I didn't want them to get all their ideas from me - better if they have a
range of examples! So we're having a couple of workshops where we discuss
design principles before we start doing the spec. This application will take
a few weeks to write and, if we get it right, be in use for 2-3 years so
it's worth putting some thought into.

        Roz
          -----Original Message-----
          From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
          Sent: 20 May 2003 20:10
          To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
          Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


          What kind of 'interface' are you looking for?

          Drew
            -----Original Message-----
            From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
            Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:53 AM
            To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
            Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


            Hi all

            Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a discussion
about interface design, and someone was hosting a gallery of different
interfaces that had been done with Access?

            Does anybody know if it's still there, where it was, and whether
there are any other good resources out there?

            TIA

            Roz
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From john at winhaven.net  Thu May 22 09:23:12 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:23:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956A1F@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKICEKCEHAA.john@winhaven.net>

MessageCould well be!

I don't particularily like black on white either though I like white on dark
gray or black on light gray. Both seem to give me less eye strain than the
stark contrast of white/black. I've got glaucoma so it could be I just have
wierd eyes all the way around :o(

JB

  Psych studies have actually shown that the human eye differentiates light
on dark more easily than dark on light and a dark background (making up, as
it does, most of the screen) should cause less strain to the eyes, being
less bright.

  However, I think that we find reading white-on-black easiest because we've
all been habituated to it from reading books.

  Roz
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Thu May 22 09:24:36 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:24:36 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956A21@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

>I am poor and use the older technology.  ;-)
 
As are most of us, JC... nice to have my info updated :)

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: 22 May 2003 15:02
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


No, it is more than that.  I know about the studies you refer to but those
refer specifically to printed material.  In the case of a monitor, it turns
out the reverse is true.  The resolution of the screen, the pixel turn on
time (electronics behind the image) and the size of the object being
assimilated by the eye and the brain all play a factor.  Printed material
usually has a very sharply defined "edge" between the dark and the light,
whereas with TV tube monitors, the waveform that defines the dot on the
screen causes the average intensity to be lower than might otherwise
expected.  In essence the "dot" is only fully turned on in the very center,
whereas the edges of the pixel are dimmer.  
 
When taken together, it just doesn't work the same with monitors as it does
with print.  This (your study) may in fact be true again with the new LCD
displays since each pixel really is either on or off, and the entire pixel
is the same intensity across the whole.  In the meantime, I am poor and use
the older technology.  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 9:46 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Psych studies have actually shown that the human eye differentiates light on
dark more easily than dark on light and a dark background (making up, as it
does, most of the screen) should cause less strain to the eyes, being less
bright.
 
However, I think that we find reading white-on-black easiest because we've
all been habituated to it from reading books.
 
Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: 22 May 2003 14:09
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Drew,
I don't care for white on black. Your site isn't too bad because there isn't
much to read (and I like the wolf logo) but more than a paragraph or so and
the eye strain gets pretty heavy.
 
To be positive though, it is better than red on black, which I have seen on
at least one web site! Yeeoucch! Talk about eye strain!
 
JB

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:38 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Oh, okay.  Personally I like to stick to black and white, as often as
possible.  Literally.  I use black backgrounds with white text.  I just
think it sticks out better then black on white.  However, something to keep
in mind, color is nice, however, a large portion of the population is color
blind to a certain extent.  Always be sure that places where color is used,
and differentiating things of different color is important, to use colors
that 'clash' spectrally, so even if someone is seeing it as shades of grey
(a severe color blind person), they would still see the difference.
 
That's my only tip......
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 4:07 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


We're about to start designing the interface for a data mining application.
My team hasn't had any formal training on interface design, and I didn't
want them to get all their ideas from me - better if they have a range of
examples! So we're having a couple of workshops where we discuss design
principles before we start doing the spec. This application will take a few
weeks to write and, if we get it right, be in use for 2-3 years so it's
worth putting some thought into.
 
Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 20:10
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


What kind of 'interface' are you looking for?
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:53 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples



Hi all 

Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a discussion about interface
design, and someone was hosting a gallery of different interfaces that had
been done with Access?

Does anybody know if it's still there, where it was, and whether there are
any other good resources out there? 

TIA 

Roz 

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu May 22 09:38:22 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 07:38:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
References:  <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956A1F@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3ECCE0DE.5070801@shaw.ca>

Well, Black print on a Red background is a good security measure. It 
prevents you from photocopying the screen. ;)

Roz Clarke wrote:

> Psych studies have actually shown that the human eye differentiates 
> light on dark more easily than dark on light and a dark background 
> (making up, as it does, most of the screen) should cause less strain 
> to the eyes, being less bright.
>  
> However, I think that we find reading white-on-black easiest because 
> we've all been habituated to it from reading books.
>  
> Roz
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
>     Sent: 22 May 2003 14:09
>     To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>     Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
>
>     Drew,
>     I don't care for white on black. Your site isn't too bad because
>     there isn't much to read (and I like the wolf logo) but more than
>     a paragraph or so and the eye strain gets pretty heavy.
>      
>     To be positive though, it is better than red on black, which I
>     have seen on at least one web site! Yeeoucch! Talk about eye strain!
>      
>     JB
>
>         -----Original Message-----
>         From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>         [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew
>         Wutka
>         Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:38 PM
>         To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
>         Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
>
>         Oh, okay.  Personally I like to stick to black and white, as
>         often as possible.  Literally.  I use black backgrounds with
>         white text.  I just think it sticks out better then black on
>         white.  However, something to keep in mind, color is nice,
>         however, a large portion of the population is color blind to a
>         certain extent.  Always be sure that places where color is
>         used, and differentiating things of different color is
>         important, to use colors that 'clash' spectrally, so even if
>         someone is seeing it as shades of grey (a severe color blind
>         person), they would still see the difference.
>          
>         That's my only tip......
>          
>         Drew
>
>             -----Original Message-----
>             From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
>             Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 4:07 AM
>             To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
>             Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
>
>             We're about to start designing the interface for a data
>             mining application. My team hasn't had any formal training
>             on interface design, and I didn't want them to get all
>             their ideas from me - better if they have a range of
>             examples! So we're having a couple of workshops where we
>             discuss design principles before we start doing the spec.
>             This application will take a few weeks to write and, if we
>             get it right, be in use for 2-3 years so it's worth
>             putting some thought into.
>              
>             Roz
>
>                 -----Original Message-----
>                 From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
>                 Sent: 20 May 2003 20:10
>                 To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
>                 Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
>
>                 What kind of 'interface' are you looking for?
>                  
>                 Drew
>
>                     -----Original Message-----
>                     From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
>                     Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:53 AM
>                     To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
>                     Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
>
>                     Hi all
>
>                     Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a
>                     discussion about interface design, and someone was
>                     hosting a gallery of different interfaces that had
>                     been done with Access?
>
>                     Does anybody know if it's still there, where it
>                     was, and whether there are any other good
>                     resources out there?
>
>                     TIA
>
>                     Roz
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 22 09:41:55 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 07:41:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FAF@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Studies may show that, buy my own experience suggests otherwise.  I
remember the old green and amber screen and white on black monitors and
I can say without doubt that it is easier to read blank on white
displays than those horrors!
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
	Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 5:46 AM
	To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
	
	
	Psych studies have actually shown that the human eye
differentiates light on dark more easily than dark on light and a dark
background (making up, as it does, most of the screen) should cause less
strain to the eyes, being less bright.
	 
	However, I think that we find reading white-on-black easiest
because we've all been habituated to it from reading books.
	 
	Roz

		-----Original Message-----
		From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
		Sent: 22 May 2003 14:09
		To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
		Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
		
		
		Drew,
		I don't care for white on black. Your site isn't too bad
because there isn't much to read (and I like the wolf logo) but more
than a paragraph or so and the eye strain gets pretty heavy.
		 
		To be positive though, it is better than red on black,
which I have seen on at least one web site! Yeeoucch! Talk about eye
strain!
		 
		JB

			-----Original Message-----
			From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
			Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:38 PM
			To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
			Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
			
			
			Oh, okay.  Personally I like to stick to black
and white, as often as possible.  Literally.  I use black backgrounds
with white text.  I just think it sticks out better then black on white.
However, something to keep in mind, color is nice, however, a large
portion of the population is color blind to a certain extent.  Always be
sure that places where color is used, and differentiating things of
different color is important, to use colors that 'clash' spectrally, so
even if someone is seeing it as shades of grey (a severe color blind
person), they would still see the difference.
			 
			That's my only tip......
			 
			Drew

				-----Original Message-----
				From: Roz Clarke
[mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
				Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 4:07 AM
				To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
				Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface
Examples
				
				
				We're about to start designing the
interface for a data mining application. My team hasn't had any formal
training on interface design, and I didn't want them to get all their
ideas from me - better if they have a range of examples! So we're having
a couple of workshops where we discuss design principles before we start
doing the spec. This application will take a few weeks to write and, if
we get it right, be in use for 2-3 years so it's worth putting some
thought into.
				 
				Roz

				-----Original Message-----
				From: Drew Wutka
[mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
				Sent: 20 May 2003 20:10
				To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
				Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface
Examples
				
				
				What kind of 'interface' are you looking
for?
				 
				Drew

				-----Original Message-----
				From: Roz Clarke
[mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
				Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:53 AM
				To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
				Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface
Examples
				
				

				Hi all 

				Does anybody remember a looong time ago
we had a discussion about interface design, and someone was hosting a
gallery of different interfaces that had been done with Access?

				Does anybody know if it's still there,
where it was, and whether there are any other good resources out there? 

				TIA 

				Roz 

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 22 09:44:00 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 07:44:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A97 on WinXP
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FB0@infoserver01.infostat.local>

We do it all the time, since most of our development and testing
platforms are WinXP and our current released version of all our products
is in A97 (I'm still working on the AXP migration).  Are you having
problems?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 4:51 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] A97 on WinXP


Has anyone had any issues show up when installing/running A97 runtime
app on WinXP?

John B.
"In trouble-shooting mode"


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 22 09:44:48 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 07:44:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FB1@infoserver01.infostat.local>

LOL

I'll keep that in mind the next time I look for a screen to photocopy!
<VBG>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: MartyConnelly [mailto:martyconnelly at shaw.ca] 
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 6:38 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Well, Black print on a Red background is a good security measure. It 
prevents you from photocopying the screen. ;)

Roz Clarke wrote:

> Psych studies have actually shown that the human eye differentiates
> light on dark more easily than dark on light and a dark background 
> (making up, as it does, most of the screen) should cause less strain 
> to the eyes, being less bright.
>  
> However, I think that we find reading white-on-black easiest because
> we've all been habituated to it from reading books.
>  
> Roz
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
>     Sent: 22 May 2003 14:09
>     To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>     Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
>
>     Drew,
>     I don't care for white on black. Your site isn't too bad because
>     there isn't much to read (and I like the wolf logo) but more than
>     a paragraph or so and the eye strain gets pretty heavy.
>      
>     To be positive though, it is better than red on black, which I
>     have seen on at least one web site! Yeeoucch! Talk about eye 
> strain!
>      
>     JB
>
>         -----Original Message-----
>         From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>         [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew
>         Wutka
>         Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:38 PM
>         To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
>         Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
>
>         Oh, okay.  Personally I like to stick to black and white, as
>         often as possible.  Literally.  I use black backgrounds with
>         white text.  I just think it sticks out better then black on
>         white.  However, something to keep in mind, color is nice,
>         however, a large portion of the population is color blind to a
>         certain extent.  Always be sure that places where color is
>         used, and differentiating things of different color is
>         important, to use colors that 'clash' spectrally, so even if
>         someone is seeing it as shades of grey (a severe color blind
>         person), they would still see the difference.
>          
>         That's my only tip......
>          
>         Drew
>
>             -----Original Message-----
>             From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
>             Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 4:07 AM
>             To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
>             Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
>
>             We're about to start designing the interface for a data
>             mining application. My team hasn't had any formal training
>             on interface design, and I didn't want them to get all
>             their ideas from me - better if they have a range of
>             examples! So we're having a couple of workshops where we
>             discuss design principles before we start doing the spec.
>             This application will take a few weeks to write and, if we
>             get it right, be in use for 2-3 years so it's worth
>             putting some thought into.
>              
>             Roz
>
>                 -----Original Message-----
>                 From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
>                 Sent: 20 May 2003 20:10
>                 To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
>                 Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
>
>                 What kind of 'interface' are you looking for?
>                  
>                 Drew
>
>                     -----Original Message-----
>                     From: Roz Clarke
[mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
>                     Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:53 AM
>                     To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
>                     Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
>
>                     Hi all
>
>                     Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a
>                     discussion about interface design, and someone was
>                     hosting a gallery of different interfaces that had
>                     been done with Access?
>
>                     Does anybody know if it's still there, where it
>                     was, and whether there are any other good
>                     resources out there?
>
>                     TIA
>
>                     Roz
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 22 09:48:37 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 07:48:37 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K -References?
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FB2@infoserver01.infostat.local>

And ADE is a compiled ADP, which is an Access project front-ending SQL
Server rather than an MDB with linked tables.  You can't refresh or
change references in an ADE or an MDE.  If Access/Windows can resolve
the reference, you may be OK ... Or not.  I've seen the Not instance.
You cannot remove the reference and add it back because that is a design
change and those aren't allowed in compiled projects, ADE or MDE.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca] 
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 4:09 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K -References?


Neither have I.  Hopefully someone else will have a more definitive
answer.

I'm not even sute I know exactly what an AD[P|E] is :)

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

>>> gustav at cactus.dk 22-May-03 5:55:55 AM >>>
Hi Bryan

I don't know - have never tried.

/gustav


>> > Thanks - What about installing Excel 10.  Would that solve the 
>> > problem?
>> 
>> Probably - you could also choose to refresh that reference by 
>> removing it and adding it back; that will reference the current 
>> version.

> Will that work in an ADE? Which is like an MDE IIRC. ANd I didn't
> think that you could do that with an MDE.


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 22 09:52:36 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 07:52:36 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ODBC-Problem (Cross-posted)
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FB4@infoserver01.infostat.local>

If you link directly to the view in Access, is it updateable?  If not, then it's the design of the view that is the problem.  There are SQL Server fields, like the datetime fields, that can't be edited directly from Access, and SQL Views are not necessarily updateable in Access.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Curtis, Andrew (WAPL) [mailto:andrew.curtis at wapl.com.au] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 11:53 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ODBC-Problem (Cross-posted)


IN SQL Server help, lookup distinctrow or distinct I recal seeing siomething on this in there.

andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Br?sdorf [mailto:michael.broesdorf at web.de] 
Sent: Monday, 19 May 2003 4:23 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com; dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] ODBC-Problem (Cross-posted)


Hi all,

I have a strange problem with my Access 2K app:

The app uses linked ODBC tables to connect to a SQL-Server 2000. One of the tables actually links a view that combines data from 2 tables. A data entry form is based on that linked table.

I can update data in all the fields with one exception: when I try to update data in fields that originate from both base tables I get this ODBC error:

"[Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][SQL Server]View of function 'dbo.myview' is not updateable because the modification affects multiple base tables. (#4405#)"

It does not make a difference if I try that in the data entry form or the linked table directly.

Now, the strange thing is, if I open the view on the server using the enterprise manager, I _can_ update fields from different base tables simultaneously.

Is there any way to 'convince' my app, that this kind of updates _is_ possible?



Michael

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 22 09:53:59 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 07:53:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Using blat
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FB5@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Francisco,

Can you send me a copy as well?  cfoust at infostatsystems.com

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Francisco Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 9:05 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using blat


I have something I can send to you... but blat is not a DLL but a self
contained SMTP application.  You do NOT need to install it in order to
get it to work, it just makes life easier :)

I will wrap up a sample tomorrow.. right now it's still wrapped up in
our application :)

-Francisco
http://rcm.netfirms.com/
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd. 
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 5:07 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Using blat


Hi everybody.

As I am having a couple of issues with Outlook which I normally use for
sending email from my mdb's, I want to try Blat which so many of you
have recommended.

I am lost re: the installation and use of it.

I have read the readme which assumes a bit more knowledge than I have. I
have copied blat.exe to c:\winnt\system32 and the next instruction is :

"Run "Blat -install yourhost.site.blah.blah youruserid at site.blah.blah"
which I am battling with.

What is: 'yourhost', 'site', blah blah? 
And how does this work with client installs?
(In today's case I want to send email through Outlook Express). 

BTW, does anyone have a sample mdb whichuses Blat? Or does anyone have
something else they can recommend?

TIA
Kath





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Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
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From artful at rogers.com  Thu May 22 10:13:32 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:13:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ADO version checker
Message-ID: <036d01c32074$b511e590$8e01a8c0@Rock>

I can't remember what the file is called and I can't find it at Microsoft
either. Can someone send me an URL?

A client is having very bizarre behaviour and I have no idea why. On the
main switchboard are 5 dropdowns for quick-find. On her machine 3 of them
are empty; on 3 of my machines everything works as expected. I have no idea
why this is happening so I'm asking her to get all the system info for me,
and now I need said utility so she can run it.

Anyone seen such strange behaviour before?

TIA,
Arthur


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu May 22 10:23:43 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:23:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
In-Reply-To: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKICEKCEHAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEHHDNAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

MessageJohn, I agree.  Dark blue on very pale grey are my favorite combo.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

  -----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
  Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 10:23 AM
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


  Could well be!

  I don't particularily like black on white either though I like white on
dark gray or black on light gray. Both seem to give me less eye strain than
the stark contrast of white/black. I've got glaucoma so it could be I just
have wierd eyes all the way around :o(

  JB

    Psych studies have actually shown that the human eye differentiates
light on dark more easily than dark on light and a dark background (making
up, as it does, most of the screen) should cause less strain to the eyes,
being less bright.

    However, I think that we find reading white-on-black easiest because
we've all been habituated to it from reading books.

    Roz
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From jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com  Thu May 22 10:23:44 2003
From: jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com (jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 10:23:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADO version checker
Message-ID: <OF2E498631.871AAACA-ON86256D2E.00546662-86256D2E.00549243@nc.us.bank-dns.com>

I believe this is the URL that you are looking for:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/downloads/list/dataaccess.asp

There are many downloads on the page so you might have to look at little.

Hope this helps.

-Jeff




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I can't remember what the file is called and I can't find it at Microsoft
either. Can someone send me an URL?

A client is having very bizarre behaviour and I have no idea why. On the
main switchboard are 5 dropdowns for quick-find. On her machine 3 of them
are empty; on 3 of my machines everything works as expected. I have no 
idea
why this is happening so I'm asking her to get all the system info for me,
and now I need said utility so she can run it.

Anyone seen such strange behaviour before?

TIA,
Arthur

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From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Thu May 22 10:36:37 2003
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:36:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ADO version checker
Message-ID: <806536912C472E4A9D6515DF2E57261E0C5A7A@mercury.tnco-inc.com>

Component Checker?
ComCheck

Joe R.

-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 11:14 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] ADO version checker

I can't remember what the file is called and I can't find it at Microsoft
either. Can someone send me an URL?

A client is having very bizarre behaviour and I have no idea why. On the
main switchboard are 5 dropdowns for quick-find. On her machine 3 of them
are empty; on 3 of my machines everything works as expected. I have no idea
why this is happening so I'm asking her to get all the system info for me,
and now I need said utility so she can run it.

Anyone seen such strange behaviour before?

TIA,
Arthur

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 22 10:38:48 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 08:38:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ADO version checker
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FB6@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Actually, I have.  It turned out to be a reference to an MDE code
library that didn't show up as broken on the target machines because
Windows reconciled it.  However, it wasn't in the same location as on
the development machine and so it didn't really work and caused various
odd dislocations like that.  We finally decided to force a standard
location on the file to avoid the problem in the future.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 7:14 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] ADO version checker


I can't remember what the file is called and I can't find it at
Microsoft either. Can someone send me an URL?

A client is having very bizarre behaviour and I have no idea why. On the
main switchboard are 5 dropdowns for quick-find. On her machine 3 of
them are empty; on 3 of my machines everything works as expected. I have
no idea why this is happening so I'm asking her to get all the system
info for me, and now I need said utility so she can run it.

Anyone seen such strange behaviour before?

TIA,
Arthur

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From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Thu May 22 10:56:25 2003
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:56:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ADO version checker
Message-ID: <806536912C472E4A9D6515DF2E57261E0C5A7B@mercury.tnco-inc.com>

Opps, link didn't come through!

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=8F0A8DF6-4A21-4B43-
BF53-14332EF092C9&displaylang=en

(wrap!)

Joe R.

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Rojas [mailto:JRojas at tnco-inc.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 11:37 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADO version checker

Component Checker?
ComCheck

Joe R.

-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 11:14 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] ADO version checker

I can't remember what the file is called and I can't find it at Microsoft
either. Can someone send me an URL?

A client is having very bizarre behaviour and I have no idea why. On the
main switchboard are 5 dropdowns for quick-find. On her machine 3 of them
are empty; on 3 of my machines everything works as expected. I have no idea
why this is happening so I'm asking her to get all the system info for me,
and now I need said utility so she can run it.

Anyone seen such strange behaviour before?

TIA,
Arthur

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu May 22 11:14:56 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:14:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C81@main2.marlow.com>

Grin.  Don't you like white on black?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 7:15 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Drew,

Thanks for warning me that you use white on black. Ugh!  I will never
visit your website. <grin>

Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
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From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 21 20:38
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Oh, okay.  Personally I like to stick to black and white, as often as
possible.  Literally.  I use black backgrounds with white text.  I just
think it sticks out better then black on white.  However, something to
keep in mind, color is nice, however, a large portion of the population
is color blind to a certain extent.  Always be sure that places where
color is used, and differentiating things of different color is
important, to use colors that 'clash' spectrally, so even if someone is
seeing it as shades of grey (a severe color blind person), they would
still see the difference.

That's my only tip......

Drew
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu May 22 11:15:42 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:15:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C82@main2.marlow.com>

I never thought white on black was hard to read.  I'll have to keep that in
mind.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 7:41 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


I must say I hate it myself.  I have been researching cameras lately and
there is a specific site, VERY good info, but white on black.  What a strain
it is reading that site.  8-(  I must say I went there and read their info,
every time, but every time came away cursing the eyestrain.

The thing to always remember in building a site is "it isn't what we like
that matters", at least in terms of preferences.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:15 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Drew,

Thanks for warning me that you use white on black. Ugh!  I will never
visit your website. <grin>

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 21 20:38
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Oh, okay.  Personally I like to stick to black and white, as often as
possible.  Literally.  I use black backgrounds with white text.  I just
think it sticks out better then black on white.  However, something to
keep in mind, color is nice, however, a large portion of the population
is color blind to a certain extent.  Always be sure that places where
color is used, and differentiating things of different color is
important, to use colors that 'clash' spectrally, so even if someone is
seeing it as shades of grey (a severe color blind person), they would
still see the difference.

That's my only tip......

Drew
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu May 22 11:18:17 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:18:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C84@main2.marlow.com>

I like black on white too, however, I think that looks plain.  I thought
white on black was the same contrast level.....more then any other color on
color.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:09 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Drew,
I don't care for white on black. Your site isn't too bad because there isn't
much to read (and I like the wolf logo) but more than a paragraph or so and
the eye strain gets pretty heavy.
 
To be positive though, it is better than red on black, which I have seen on
at least one web site! Yeeoucch! Talk about eye strain!
 
JB

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:38 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Oh, okay.  Personally I like to stick to black and white, as often as
possible.  Literally.  I use black backgrounds with white text.  I just
think it sticks out better then black on white.  However, something to keep
in mind, color is nice, however, a large portion of the population is color
blind to a certain extent.  Always be sure that places where color is used,
and differentiating things of different color is important, to use colors
that 'clash' spectrally, so even if someone is seeing it as shades of grey
(a severe color blind person), they would still see the difference.
 
That's my only tip......
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 4:07 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


We're about to start designing the interface for a data mining application.
My team hasn't had any formal training on interface design, and I didn't
want them to get all their ideas from me - better if they have a range of
examples! So we're having a couple of workshops where we discuss design
principles before we start doing the spec. This application will take a few
weeks to write and, if we get it right, be in use for 2-3 years so it's
worth putting some thought into.
 
Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 20:10
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


What kind of 'interface' are you looking for?
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:53 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples



Hi all 

Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a discussion about interface
design, and someone was hosting a gallery of different interfaces that had
been done with Access?

Does anybody know if it's still there, where it was, and whether there are
any other good resources out there? 

TIA 

Roz 

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu May 22 11:20:22 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:20:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C86@main2.marlow.com>

That's what I thought (though I think you have your last sentence
reversed...books are black on white...).  White on Black is letting your
eye's see what's there, not what's NOT there.  (Since Black is the absence
of all color, and white is the presence of all.)
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:46 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Psych studies have actually shown that the human eye differentiates light on
dark more easily than dark on light and a dark background (making up, as it
does, most of the screen) should cause less strain to the eyes, being less
bright.
 
However, I think that we find reading white-on-black easiest because we've
all been habituated to it from reading books.
 
Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: 22 May 2003 14:09
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Drew,
I don't care for white on black. Your site isn't too bad because there isn't
much to read (and I like the wolf logo) but more than a paragraph or so and
the eye strain gets pretty heavy.
 
To be positive though, it is better than red on black, which I have seen on
at least one web site! Yeeoucch! Talk about eye strain!
 
JB

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:38 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Oh, okay.  Personally I like to stick to black and white, as often as
possible.  Literally.  I use black backgrounds with white text.  I just
think it sticks out better then black on white.  However, something to keep
in mind, color is nice, however, a large portion of the population is color
blind to a certain extent.  Always be sure that places where color is used,
and differentiating things of different color is important, to use colors
that 'clash' spectrally, so even if someone is seeing it as shades of grey
(a severe color blind person), they would still see the difference.
 
That's my only tip......
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 4:07 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


We're about to start designing the interface for a data mining application.
My team hasn't had any formal training on interface design, and I didn't
want them to get all their ideas from me - better if they have a range of
examples! So we're having a couple of workshops where we discuss design
principles before we start doing the spec. This application will take a few
weeks to write and, if we get it right, be in use for 2-3 years so it's
worth putting some thought into.
 
Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 20:10
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


What kind of 'interface' are you looking for?
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:53 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples



Hi all 

Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a discussion about interface
design, and someone was hosting a gallery of different interfaces that had
been done with Access?

Does anybody know if it's still there, where it was, and whether there are
any other good resources out there? 

TIA 

Roz 

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From dkalsow at yahoo.com  Thu May 22 11:34:37 2003
From: dkalsow at yahoo.com (Dale Kalsow)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:34:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Cycling through subform controls
In-Reply-To: <806536912C472E4A9D6515DF2E57261E0C5A7B@mercury.tnco-inc.com>
Message-ID: <20030522163437.87607.qmail@web9801.mail.yahoo.com>


I have the following line of code:

For Each ctlC In Forms(Me.Name)

 

It works great if it is the main form but if I try and use it in a subform it throws an error.

 

Does anyone know the correct line of code to use in a subform.  I am trying to have the subform cycle though its controls.

Thanks!

Dale Kalsow



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 22 11:38:34 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:38:34 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FB8@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Philosphically, you may be right.  Unfortunately, my eyes aren't
philosophical about it.  Black, and all dark colors for that matter,
have visual "weight" that overpowers white.  So on a black page with
white print, the background overpowers the text.  At least, that's the
way *my* vision works.
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
	Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:20 AM
	To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
	
	
	That's what I thought (though I think you have your last
sentence reversed...books are black on white...).  White on Black is
letting your eye's see what's there, not what's NOT there.  (Since Black
is the absence of all color, and white is the presence of all.)
	 
	Drew

		-----Original Message-----
		From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
		Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:46 AM
		To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
		Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
		
		
		Psych studies have actually shown that the human eye
differentiates light on dark more easily than dark on light and a dark
background (making up, as it does, most of the screen) should cause less
strain to the eyes, being less bright.
		 
		However, I think that we find reading white-on-black
easiest because we've all been habituated to it from reading books.
		 
		Roz

			-----Original Message-----
			From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
			Sent: 22 May 2003 14:09
			To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
			Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
			
			
			Drew,
			I don't care for white on black. Your site isn't
too bad because there isn't much to read (and I like the wolf logo) but
more than a paragraph or so and the eye strain gets pretty heavy.
			 
			To be positive though, it is better than red on
black, which I have seen on at least one web site! Yeeoucch! Talk about
eye strain!
			 
			JB

				-----Original Message-----
				From:
accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
				Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:38 PM
				To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
				Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface
Examples
				
				
				Oh, okay.  Personally I like to stick to
black and white, as often as possible.  Literally.  I use black
backgrounds with white text.  I just think it sticks out better then
black on white.  However, something to keep in mind, color is nice,
however, a large portion of the population is color blind to a certain
extent.  Always be sure that places where color is used, and
differentiating things of different color is important, to use colors
that 'clash' spectrally, so even if someone is seeing it as shades of
grey (a severe color blind person), they would still see the difference.
				 
				That's my only tip......
				 
				Drew

				-----Original Message-----
				From: Roz Clarke
[mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
				Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 4:07 AM
				To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
				Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface
Examples
				
				
				We're about to start designing the
interface for a data mining application. My team hasn't had any formal
training on interface design, and I didn't want them to get all their
ideas from me - better if they have a range of examples! So we're having
a couple of workshops where we discuss design principles before we start
doing the spec. This application will take a few weeks to write and, if
we get it right, be in use for 2-3 years so it's worth putting some
thought into.
				 
				Roz

				-----Original Message-----
				From: Drew Wutka
[mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
				Sent: 20 May 2003 20:10
				To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
				Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface
Examples
				
				
				What kind of 'interface' are you looking
for?
				 
				Drew

				-----Original Message-----
				From: Roz Clarke
[mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
				Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:53 AM
				To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
				Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface
Examples
				
				

				Hi all 

				Does anybody remember a looong time ago
we had a discussion about interface design, and someone was hosting a
gallery of different interfaces that had been done with Access?

				Does anybody know if it's still there,
where it was, and whether there are any other good resources out there? 

				TIA 

				Roz 

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From RGeldart at detma.org  Thu May 22 11:52:53 2003
From: RGeldart at detma.org (Geldart, Robert)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 12:52:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <D1131E68647DD211823100A0C9D1DE7203B73BAC@DET-EXCH-02>

JC,

I believe I know that site also. The other problem I have with it is the use
of a smaller "typewriter-style" font (courier, but not perfectly formed).

But his technical reviews are outstanding. (I was looking for a scanner, and
took his recommendation.)

Bob Geldart


> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:41 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
> 
> I must say I hate it myself.  I have been researching cameras 
> lately and there is a specific site, VERY good info, but white
> on black. What a strain it is reading that site.  8-(  
> I must say I went there and read their info, every time, but
> every time came away cursing the eyestrain.

From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu May 22 11:54:32 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:54:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C88@main2.marlow.com>

What if the text were bold?  I try to stay away from thin fonts too.....
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 11:39 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Philosphically, you may be right.  Unfortunately, my eyes aren't
philosophical about it.  Black, and all dark colors for that matter, have
visual "weight" that overpowers white.  So on a black page with white print,
the background overpowers the text.  At least, that's the way *my* vision
works.
 
Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:20 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


That's what I thought (though I think you have your last sentence
reversed...books are black on white...).  White on Black is letting your
eye's see what's there, not what's NOT there.  (Since Black is the absence
of all color, and white is the presence of all.)
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:46 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Psych studies have actually shown that the human eye differentiates light on
dark more easily than dark on light and a dark background (making up, as it
does, most of the screen) should cause less strain to the eyes, being less
bright.
 
However, I think that we find reading white-on-black easiest because we've
all been habituated to it from reading books.
 
Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: 22 May 2003 14:09
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Drew,
I don't care for white on black. Your site isn't too bad because there isn't
much to read (and I like the wolf logo) but more than a paragraph or so and
the eye strain gets pretty heavy.
 
To be positive though, it is better than red on black, which I have seen on
at least one web site! Yeeoucch! Talk about eye strain!
 
JB

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:38 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Oh, okay.  Personally I like to stick to black and white, as often as
possible.  Literally.  I use black backgrounds with white text.  I just
think it sticks out better then black on white.  However, something to keep
in mind, color is nice, however, a large portion of the population is color
blind to a certain extent.  Always be sure that places where color is used,
and differentiating things of different color is important, to use colors
that 'clash' spectrally, so even if someone is seeing it as shades of grey
(a severe color blind person), they would still see the difference.
 
That's my only tip......
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 4:07 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


We're about to start designing the interface for a data mining application.
My team hasn't had any formal training on interface design, and I didn't
want them to get all their ideas from me - better if they have a range of
examples! So we're having a couple of workshops where we discuss design
principles before we start doing the spec. This application will take a few
weeks to write and, if we get it right, be in use for 2-3 years so it's
worth putting some thought into.
 
Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 20:10
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


What kind of 'interface' are you looking for?
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:53 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples



Hi all 

Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a discussion about interface
design, and someone was hosting a gallery of different interfaces that had
been done with Access?

Does anybody know if it's still there, where it was, and whether there are
any other good resources out there? 

TIA 

Roz 

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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Thu May 22 11:55:15 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 12:55:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Cycling through subform controls
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF403897821@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

If you are executing this code *in the form* who's controls you want to
iterate, then you do not need to use the Forms collection at all. Just
use...

	For Each ctlC in Me
		...
	Next ctlC

This kind of loop will run fine in a form or in a subform: as long as the
code is actually in the form in question, as 'Me' refers to the current
form.

To loop though a sub form's controls from code in the parent form you would
use...

	For Each cltC in Me.NameOfSubFormCONTROL.Form
		...
	Next cltC

Lambert


> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Dale Kalsow [SMTP:dkalsow at yahoo.com]
> Sent:	Thursday, May 22, 2003 12:35 PM
> To:	accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject:	[AccessD] Cycling through subform controls
> 
> 	I have the following line of code:
> 
> 	For Each ctlC In Forms(Me.Name)
> 
> 	 
> 
> 	It works great if it is the main form but if I try and use it in a
> subform it throws an error.
> 
> 	 
> 
> 	Does anyone know the correct line of code to use in a subform.  I am
> trying to have the subform cycle though its controls.
> 
> 	Thanks!
> 
> 	Dale Kalsow
> 

From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Thu May 22 11:55:57 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:55:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F8782E@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Drew and Roz,

In the additive color scheme, such as transmitted light, black is the
absence of all colors and white is the sum of all colors.  In the
subtractive color scheme, such as in inks and other reflective light
schemes, black is the sum of all colors and white is the absence of all
colors.  So you need to specify which color scheme you are using when
you make blanket statements about black and white. <grin>


Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: Thursday 2003 May 22 11:39
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples

Philosphically, you may be right.  Unfortunately, my eyes aren't
philosophical about it.  Black, and all dark colors for that matter,
have visual "weight" that overpowers white.  So on a black page with
white print, the background overpowers the text.  At least, that's the
way *my* vision works.

Charlotte Foust
-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:20 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


That's what I thought (though I think you have your last sentence
reversed...books are black on white...).  White on Black is letting your
eye's see what's there, not what's NOT there.  (Since Black is the
absence of all color, and white is the presence of all.)

Drew
-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:46 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Psych studies have actually shown that the human eye differentiates
light on dark more easily than dark on light and a dark background
(making up, as it does, most of the screen) should cause less strain to
the eyes, being less bright.

However, I think that we find reading white-on-black easiest because
we've all been habituated to it from reading books.

Roz
Roz 

From delliker at hotmail.com  Thu May 22 11:58:28 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 12:58:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <Law12-F96BFsaC6378s0000a9e0@hotmail.com>

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From askolits at ot.com  Thu May 22 12:00:12 2003
From: askolits at ot.com (John Skolits)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:00:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Special Request
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJCEIPEGAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFAEJKCLAA.askolits@ot.com>


I don't want any lectures but I sent my Office 97 'Developer' to a
customer's remote site to install replication manager and it 'got broke' in
shipping. I need to borrow someone's for a few days. I'll pay for the
shipping (Fed-x). You'll have it back within a week.

Please email me off-line.

John Skolits
askolits at ot.com


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 22 12:02:24 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 10:02:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Cycling through subform controls
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FBC@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Subforms are not members of the collection of open forms, so you can't
use the Forms(formname) syntax to reference them.  Actually, you don't
need it in a form either.  In both cases, you can just use this:

For Each ctlC in Me.Controls

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Dale Kalsow [mailto:dkalsow at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:35 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Cycling through subform controls


I have the following line of code:
For Each ctlC In Forms(Me.Name)

It works great if it is the main form but if I try and use it in a
subform it throws an error.

Does anyone know the correct line of code to use in a subform.  I am
trying to have the subform cycle though its controls.
Thanks!
Dale Kalsow


Do you Yahoo!?
The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.

From john at winhaven.net  Thu May 22 12:11:46 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 12:11:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
In-Reply-To: <D1131E68647DD211823100A0C9D1DE7203B73BAC@DET-EXCH-02>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIIEKFEHAA.john@winhaven.net>

Give us a link so we can all torture our eyes!
;-)

Also, maybe, sometimes... if a few people tell a webmaster to change the
color/fonts on their site (because it makes them scream bloody horror from
the pain) some people actually will change them.

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Geldart,
> Robert
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 11:53 AM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
>
>
> JC,
>
> I believe I know that site also. The other problem I have with it
> is the use
> of a smaller "typewriter-style" font (courier, but not perfectly formed).
>
> But his technical reviews are outstanding. (I was looking for a
> scanner, and
> took his recommendation.)
>
> Bob Geldart
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:41 AM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
> >
> > I must say I hate it myself.  I have been researching cameras
> > lately and there is a specific site, VERY good info, but white
> > on black. What a strain it is reading that site.  8-(
> > I must say I went there and read their info, every time, but
> > every time came away cursing the eyestrain.
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 22 12:13:52 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 10:13:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FBD@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Doesn't really matter much to my eyes.  Yes, the bold would be more
legible, but it would still be tiring to read.  To me, white on black
looks like the letters have been dropped into tar and are sinking fast!
The mass of the black just swallows up the white text.  I always had a
problem with the contention that amber screens were more restful to the
eyes that green as well.  To my eyes, the amber always looked "hot",
while the green was cooler and more comfortable to stare at for hours on
end.  Different strokes.
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
	Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:55 AM
	To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
	
	
	What if the text were bold?  I try to stay away from thin fonts
too.....
	 
	Drew

		-----Original Message-----
		From: Charlotte Foust
[mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
		Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 11:39 AM
		To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
		Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
		
		
		Philosphically, you may be right.  Unfortunately, my
eyes aren't philosophical about it.  Black, and all dark colors for that
matter, have visual "weight" that overpowers white.  So on a black page
with white print, the background overpowers the text.  At least, that's
the way *my* vision works.
		 
		Charlotte Foust

			-----Original Message-----
			From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
			Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:20 AM
			To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
			Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
			
			
			That's what I thought (though I think you have
your last sentence reversed...books are black on white...).  White on
Black is letting your eye's see what's there, not what's NOT there.
(Since Black is the absence of all color, and white is the presence of
all.)
			 
			Drew

				-----Original Message-----
				From: Roz Clarke
[mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
				Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:46 AM
				To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
				Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface
Examples
				
				
				Psych studies have actually shown that
the human eye differentiates light on dark more easily than dark on
light and a dark background (making up, as it does, most of the screen)
should cause less strain to the eyes, being less bright.
				 
				However, I think that we find reading
white-on-black easiest because we've all been habituated to it from
reading books.
				 
				Roz

				-----Original Message-----
				From: John Bartow
[mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
				Sent: 22 May 2003 14:09
				To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
				Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface
Examples
				
				
				Drew,
				I don't care for white on black. Your
site isn't too bad because there isn't much to read (and I like the wolf
logo) but more than a paragraph or so and the eye strain gets pretty
heavy.
				 
				To be positive though, it is better than
red on black, which I have seen on at least one web site! Yeeoucch! Talk
about eye strain!
				 
				JB

				-----Original Message-----
				From:
accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
				Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:38 PM
				To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
				Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface
Examples
				
				
				Oh, okay.  Personally I like to stick to
black and white, as often as possible.  Literally.  I use black
backgrounds with white text.  I just think it sticks out better then
black on white.  However, something to keep in mind, color is nice,
however, a large portion of the population is color blind to a certain
extent.  Always be sure that places where color is used, and
differentiating things of different color is important, to use colors
that 'clash' spectrally, so even if someone is seeing it as shades of
grey (a severe color blind person), they would still see the difference.
				 
				That's my only tip......
				 
				Drew

				-----Original Message-----
				From: Roz Clarke
[mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
				Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 4:07 AM
				To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
				Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface
Examples
				
				
				We're about to start designing the
interface for a data mining application. My team hasn't had any formal
training on interface design, and I didn't want them to get all their
ideas from me - better if they have a range of examples! So we're having
a couple of workshops where we discuss design principles before we start
doing the spec. This application will take a few weeks to write and, if
we get it right, be in use for 2-3 years so it's worth putting some
thought into.
				 
				Roz

				-----Original Message-----
				From: Drew Wutka
[mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
				Sent: 20 May 2003 20:10
				To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
				Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface
Examples
				
				
				What kind of 'interface' are you looking
for?
				 
				Drew

				-----Original Message-----
				From: Roz Clarke
[mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
				Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:53 AM
				To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
				Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface
Examples
				
				

				Hi all 

				Does anybody remember a looong time ago
we had a discussion about interface design, and someone was hosting a
gallery of different interfaces that had been done with Access?

				Does anybody know if it's still there,
where it was, and whether there are any other good resources out there? 

				TIA 

				Roz 

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 22 12:15:03 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 10:15:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FBE@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Aaarrrggghhh!!! And it isn't even Friday yet!
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
	Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:58 AM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
	
	

	Nooohhhhh....White is the absence of all color and black is the
presence of all color. It's also very strange that things are the color
they are because that is the color they are not....they reflect the
color they do not possess.... 
	
	




	"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for
them." 
	
	>From: Drew Wutka 
	>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
	>To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" 
	>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples 
	>Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:20:22 -0500 
	> 
	>That's what I thought (though I think you have your last
sentence 
	>reversed...books are black on white...). White on Black is
letting your 
	>eye's see what's there, not what's NOT there. (Since Black is
the absence 
	>of all color, and white is the presence of all.) 
	> 
	>Drew 
	> 
	>-----Original Message----- 
	>From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
	>Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:46 AM 
	>To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
	>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples 
	> 
	> 
	>Psych studies have actually shown that the human eye
differentiates light on 
	>dark more easily than dark on light and a dark background
(making up, as it 
	>does, most of the screen) should cause less strain to the eyes,
being less 
	>bright. 
	> 
	>However, I think that we find reading white-on-black easiest
because we've 
	>all been habituated to it from reading books. 
	> 
	>Roz 
	> 
	>-----Original Message----- 
	>From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
	>Sent: 22 May 2003 14:09 
	>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
	>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples 
	> 
	> 
	>Drew, 
	>I don't care for white on black. Your site isn't too bad
because there isn't 
	>much to read (and I like the wolf logo) but more than a
paragraph or so and 
	>the eye strain gets pretty heavy. 
	> 
	>To be positive though, it is better than red on black, which I
have seen on 
	>at least one web site! Yeeoucch! Talk about eye strain! 
	> 
	>JB 
	> 
	>-----Original Message----- 
	>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
	>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew
Wutka 
	>Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:38 PM 
	>To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
	>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples 
	> 
	> 
	>Oh, okay. Personally I like to stick to black and white, as
often as 
	>possible. Literally. I use black backgrounds with white text. I
just 
	>think it sticks out better then black on white. However,
something to keep 
	>in mind, color is nice, however, a large portion of the
population is color 
	>blind to a certain extent. Always be sure that places where
color is used, 
	>and differentiating things of different color is important, to
use colors 
	>that 'clash' spectrally, so even if someone is seeing it as
shades of grey 
	>(a severe color blind person), they would still see the
difference. 
	> 
	>That's my only tip...... 
	> 
	>Drew 
	> 
	>-----Original Message----- 
	>From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
	>Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 4:07 AM 
	>To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
	>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples 
	> 
	> 
	>We're about to start designing the interface for a data mining
application. 
	>My team hasn't had any formal training on interface design, and
I didn't 
	>want them to get all their ideas from me - better if they have
a range of 
	>examples! So we're having a couple of workshops where we
discuss design 
	>principles before we start doing the spec. This application
will take a few 
	>weeks to write and, if we get it right, be in use for 2-3 years
so it's 
	>worth putting some thought into. 
	> 
	>Roz 
	> 
	>-----Original Message----- 
	>From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
	>Sent: 20 May 2003 20:10 
	>To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
	>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples 
	> 
	> 
	>What kind of 'interface' are you looking for? 
	> 
	>Drew 
	> 
	>-----Original Message----- 
	>From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
	>Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:53 AM 
	>To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
	>Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples 
	> 
	> 
	> 
	>Hi all 
	> 
	>Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a discussion
about interface 
	>design, and someone was hosting a gallery of different
interfaces that had 
	>been done with Access? 
	> 
	>Does anybody know if it's still there, where it was, and
whether there are 
	>any other good resources out there? 
	> 
	>TIA 
	> 
	>Roz 
	> 
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From ad_tp at hotmail.com  Thu May 22 12:12:23 2003
From: ad_tp at hotmail.com (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 22:42:23 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
References: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956A0E@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <Law9-OE32uNjVuMhvqg00017837@hotmail.com>

    My earlier testing of John's code (ref my previous message dated 20-May-2003) was based upon setting  .FileType as msoFileTypeAllFiles (commenting out the line related to .FileName).

    On further testing of this code, certain relevant findings are given below -

    (a) If the line [ .FileName = "*.mda; *.mdb; *.mde; *.ldb" ] is  enabled (instead of the one related to .FileType) the result of search count is zero.
        Reason - No match is possible for above type of string.
        Solution - Use homogeneous string without delimiters.e.g.
                         .FileName = "*.mdb"

    (b) Starting letter of folder name does not matter.

    (c) If any of the file names has special characters(quite often the case with web documents), there is an error message reg syntax error, the loop is exited and no further information gets inserted in the table. Sometimes this problem occurs for date fields as well. Moreover, the cursor remains stuck indefinitely in the hourglass mode.
        Reason - SQL string does not get concatenated properly.
        Solution - Avoid use of SQL string as the likelihood of unforeseen syntax complications can never be completely ruled out. In lieu rst.Add method could be considered. 
    Note - As an experiment, the code was run after modifying the SQL so as to insert "A" for FilePath and "B" for FileName fields only, ignoring the date fields. There was no problem. Approx 7,000 files were found in all (main folder plus subfolders).The numbers shown in the message box tallied with the records appended to the table.

    John may like to modify the code suitably, addressing the points brought out above and distribute the revised version. While doing so, he may consider incorporating folder browsing feature so that there is no need for editing code module (for starting folder path).

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Roz Clarke 
  To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
  Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 14:32
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


  This may be the case, but wouldn't explain why Charlotte got 0 files
  returned in her search...

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Ron Allen [mailto:chizotz at charter.net] 
  Sent: 21 May 2003 17:47
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


  Is there a limit to the number of directories and 
  subdirectories that can be searched/found this way? There 
  used to be some absolute limits to the number of 
  directories in the root and other stuff... I'm wondering 
  if there is a limit, artificial or not, being hit here. 
  Does it by chance find "exactly" 128, or 256, or 512, etc. 
  folders/files before choking?


  >-----Original Message-----
  >From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
  >Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 11:50 AM
  >To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
  >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
  >
  >
  >Interesting fact just spotted... All of the directories
  >it doesn't look in
  >are those which come after M in the alphabet and are 
  >coming from the root
  >folder, and their sub-directories.
  >
  >It's as if it gets so far and just stops. Any way to
  >troubleshoot what it's
  >doing? Why it's breaking?

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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Thu May 22 12:36:57 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 05:36:57 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
In-Reply-To: <3ECC5FE8.10861.10B0AA@localhost>
References: <1203003338.20030522090507@cactus.dk>
 <5.2.0.9.0.20030522134550.00b47ed0@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030523053434.00b1c590@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

No, You can't change the references in an ADE (not directly anyway) because 
you can't get to the code.  But I can in the ADP and then recreate the ADE.

I have also contacted Sagekey to see if they can help with the installation 
script so that the correct files are included to save having to do all 
this.  They are very helpful in this regard.

David

At 22/05/2003, you wrote:
>On 22 May 2003 at 9:05, Gustav Brock wrote:
>
> > Hi David
> >
> > > Thanks - What about installing Excel 10.  Would that solve the
> > > problem?
> >
> > Probably - you could also choose to refresh that reference by removing
> > it and adding it back; that will reference the current version.
>
>Will that work in an ADE? Which is like an MDE IIRC. ANd I didn't
>think that you could do that with an MDE.
>
>--
>Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
>Learn from the mistakes of others. You can't live long enough to make
>them all yourself.
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 22 12:39:14 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 10:39:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FC1@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I didn't get a FoundFiles count with or without filetype, and I was
using "*.*" for .FileName.
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: A.D.Tejpal [mailto:ad_tp at hotmail.com] 
	Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 9:12 AM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: Re: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
	
	
	    My earlier testing of John's code (ref my previous message
dated 20-May-2003) was based upon setting  .FileType as
msoFileTypeAllFiles (commenting out the line related to .FileName).
	 
	    On further testing of this code, certain relevant findings
are given below -
	 
	    (a) If the line [ .FileName = "*.mda; *.mdb; *.mde; *.ldb" ]
is  enabled (instead of the one related to .FileType) the result of
search count is zero.
	        Reason - No match is possible for above type of string.
	        Solution - Use homogeneous string without
delimiters.e.g.
	                        .FileName = "*.mdb"
	 
	    (b) Starting letter of folder name does not matter.
	 
	    (c) If any of the file names has special characters(quite
often the case with web documents), there is an error message reg syntax
error, the loop is exited and no further information gets inserted in
the table. Sometimes this problem occurs for date fields as well.
Moreover, the cursor remains stuck indefinitely in the hourglass mode.
	        Reason - SQL string does not get concatenated properly.
	        Solution - Avoid use of SQL string as the likelihood of
unforeseen syntax complications can never be completely ruled out. In
lieu rst.Add method could be considered. 
	    Note - As an experiment, the code was run after modifying
the SQL so as to insert "A" for FilePath and "B" for FileName fields
only, ignoring the date fields. There was no problem. Approx 7,000 files
were found in all (main folder plus subfolders).The numbers shown in the
message box tallied with the records appended to the table.
	 
	    John may like to modify the code suitably, addressing the
points brought out above and distribute the revised version. While doing
so, he may consider incorporating folder browsing feature so that there
is no need for editing code module (for starting folder path).
	 
	Regards,
	A.D.Tejpal
	--------------

		----- Original Message ----- 
		From: Roz Clarke <mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>  
		To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
		Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 14:32
		Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames

		This may be the case, but wouldn't explain why Charlotte
got 0 files
		returned in her search...
		
		-----Original Message-----
		From: Ron Allen [mailto:chizotz at charter.net] 
		Sent: 21 May 2003 17:47
		To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
		Subject: Re: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
		
		
		Is there a limit to the number of directories and 
		subdirectories that can be searched/found this way?
There 
		used to be some absolute limits to the number of 
		directories in the root and other stuff... I'm wondering

		if there is a limit, artificial or not, being hit here. 
		Does it by chance find "exactly" 128, or 256, or 512,
etc. 
		folders/files before choking?
		
		
		>-----Original Message-----
		>From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
		>Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 11:50 AM
		>To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
		>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
		>
		>
		>Interesting fact just spotted... All of the directories
		>it doesn't look in
		>are those which come after M in the alphabet and are 
		>coming from the root
		>folder, and their sub-directories.
		>
		>It's as if it gets so far and just stops. Any way to
		>troubleshoot what it's
		>doing? Why it's breaking?
		

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu May 22 13:28:28 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:28:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C89@main2.marlow.com>

Hmmm, good point, but not for a screen.  The screen projects all color for
white, it's not reflecting it.  
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 11:58 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples



Nooohhhhh....White is the absence of all color and black is the presence of
all color. It's also very strange that things are the color they are because
that is the color they are not....they reflect the color they do not
possess.... 






"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." 

>From: Drew Wutka 
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" 
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples 
>Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:20:22 -0500 
> 
>That's what I thought (though I think you have your last sentence 
>reversed...books are black on white...). White on Black is letting your 
>eye's see what's there, not what's NOT there. (Since Black is the absence 
>of all color, and white is the presence of all.) 
> 
>Drew 
> 
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
>Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:46 AM 
>To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples 
> 
> 
>Psych studies have actually shown that the human eye differentiates light
on 
>dark more easily than dark on light and a dark background (making up, as it

>does, most of the screen) should cause less strain to the eyes, being less 
>bright. 
> 
>However, I think that we find reading white-on-black easiest because we've 
>all been habituated to it from reading books. 
> 
>Roz 
> 
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
>Sent: 22 May 2003 14:09 
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples 
> 
> 
>Drew, 
>I don't care for white on black. Your site isn't too bad because there
isn't 
>much to read (and I like the wolf logo) but more than a paragraph or so and

>the eye strain gets pretty heavy. 
> 
>To be positive though, it is better than red on black, which I have seen on

>at least one web site! Yeeoucch! Talk about eye strain! 
> 
>JB 
> 
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka 
>Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:38 PM 
>To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples 
> 
> 
>Oh, okay. Personally I like to stick to black and white, as often as 
>possible. Literally. I use black backgrounds with white text. I just 
>think it sticks out better then black on white. However, something to keep 
>in mind, color is nice, however, a large portion of the population is color

>blind to a certain extent. Always be sure that places where color is used, 
>and differentiating things of different color is important, to use colors 
>that 'clash' spectrally, so even if someone is seeing it as shades of grey 
>(a severe color blind person), they would still see the difference. 
> 
>That's my only tip...... 
> 
>Drew 
> 
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
>Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 4:07 AM 
>To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples 
> 
> 
>We're about to start designing the interface for a data mining application.

>My team hasn't had any formal training on interface design, and I didn't 
>want them to get all their ideas from me - better if they have a range of 
>examples! So we're having a couple of workshops where we discuss design 
>principles before we start doing the spec. This application will take a few

>weeks to write and, if we get it right, be in use for 2-3 years so it's 
>worth putting some thought into. 
> 
>Roz 
> 
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
>Sent: 20 May 2003 20:10 
>To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples 
> 
> 
>What kind of 'interface' are you looking for? 
> 
>Drew 
> 
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
>Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:53 AM 
>To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
>Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples 
> 
> 
> 
>Hi all 
> 
>Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a discussion about interface

>design, and someone was hosting a gallery of different interfaces that had 
>been done with Access? 
> 
>Does anybody know if it's still there, where it was, and whether there are 
>any other good resources out there? 
> 
>TIA 
> 
>Roz 
> 
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>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu May 22 13:29:44 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:29:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C8A@main2.marlow.com>

True, but just out of curiousity, does MS Access use a transmitted light
scheme, or a reflective light scheme?  <grin>

Unless of course you are talking about printed reports, but then that is not
an interface.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 11:56 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Drew and Roz,

In the additive color scheme, such as transmitted light, black is the
absence of all colors and white is the sum of all colors.  In the
subtractive color scheme, such as in inks and other reflective light
schemes, black is the sum of all colors and white is the absence of all
colors.  So you need to specify which color scheme you are using when
you make blanket statements about black and white. <grin>


Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: Thursday 2003 May 22 11:39
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples

Philosphically, you may be right.  Unfortunately, my eyes aren't
philosophical about it.  Black, and all dark colors for that matter,
have visual "weight" that overpowers white.  So on a black page with
white print, the background overpowers the text.  At least, that's the
way *my* vision works.

Charlotte Foust
-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:20 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


That's what I thought (though I think you have your last sentence
reversed...books are black on white...).  White on Black is letting your
eye's see what's there, not what's NOT there.  (Since Black is the
absence of all color, and white is the presence of all.)

Drew
-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:46 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Psych studies have actually shown that the human eye differentiates
light on dark more easily than dark on light and a dark background
(making up, as it does, most of the screen) should cause less strain to
the eyes, being less bright.

However, I think that we find reading white-on-black easiest because
we've all been habituated to it from reading books.

Roz
Roz 
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From delliker at hotmail.com  Thu May 22 13:29:51 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:29:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples -ok so it's OT
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From artful at rogers.com  Thu May 22 13:42:14 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:42:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ADO version checker
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FB6@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <03db01c32091$dca20be0$8e01a8c0@Rock>

Interesting. I will walk this path and see what turnips.

A.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: May 22, 2003 11:39 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADO version checker


Actually, I have.  It turned out to be a reference to an MDE code library
that didn't show up as broken on the target machines because Windows
reconciled it.  However, it wasn't in the same location as on the
development machine and so it didn't really work and caused various odd
dislocations like that.  We finally decided to force a standard location on
the file to avoid the problem in the future.



From john at winhaven.net  Thu May 22 13:54:50 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:54:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A97 on WinXP
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FB0@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIGEKHEHAA.john@winhaven.net>

Yes.

Do you think it might be that I'm using DAO 3.51 (not 3.6)?

JB



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 9:44 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A97 on WinXP
> 
> 
> We do it all the time, since most of our development and testing
> platforms are WinXP and our current released version of all our products
> is in A97 (I'm still working on the AXP migration).  Are you having
> problems?
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 4:51 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] A97 on WinXP
> 
> 
> Has anyone had any issues show up when installing/running A97 runtime
> app on WinXP?
> 
> John B.
> "In trouble-shooting mode"
> 
> 
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From mitsules_ms at nns.com  Thu May 22 14:14:30 2003
From: mitsules_ms at nns.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:14:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29407@nnse14.nns.com>

My company blocks the tinyurl domain.
Can someone post the actual url?
That's not to say that they haven't blocked the real domain as well:(
 
Mark
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:28 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Hey, 
You can read several chapters from the book here:
http://tinyurl.com/8hc8 <http://tinyurl.com/8hc8> 
 
Not sure if these are the full chapters or not.
 
Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Bond
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:17 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Second that Charlotte.  Published by Apress.  ISBN 1-893115-94-1 (pbk.)
 
Stephen Bond

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 21 May 2003 2:57 a.m.
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


There's also a great book out call User Interface Design for Programmers, by
Joel Spolsky, that discusses Windows interface design in general, complete
with examples of what to avoid.
 
Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
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From nkling at co.montgomery.ny.us  Thu May 22 14:19:27 2003
From: nkling at co.montgomery.ny.us (Neal Kling)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:19:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <0EAA9F4906BA554FA26E6F9F2C5403022BD5F3@elmo.co.montgomery.ny.us>

http://www.joelonsoftware.com/navLinks/fog0000000247.html
<http://www.joelonsoftware.com/navLinks/fog0000000247.html> 
 
Neal Kling
Lotus, isn't that some kind of fancy flower?

-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:mitsules_ms at nns.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 3:15 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


My company blocks the tinyurl domain.
Can someone post the actual url?
That's not to say that they haven't blocked the real domain as well:(
 
Mark
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:28 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Hey, 
You can read several chapters from the book here:
http://tinyurl.com/8hc8 <http://tinyurl.com/8hc8> 
 
Not sure if these are the full chapters or not.
 
Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Bond
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:17 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Second that Charlotte.  Published by Apress.  ISBN 1-893115-94-1 (pbk.)
 
Stephen Bond

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 21 May 2003 2:57 a.m.
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


There's also a great book out call User Interface Design for
Programmers, by Joel Spolsky, that discusses Windows interface design in
general, complete with examples of what to avoid.
 
Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 



From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Thu May 22 14:20:30 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:20:30 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Excel Range Question
In-Reply-To: <0EAA9F4906BA554FA26E6F9F2C5403022BD5F3@elmo.co.montgomery.ny.us>
References: <0EAA9F4906BA554FA26E6F9F2C5403022BD5F3@elmo.co.montgomery.ny.us>
Message-ID: <64768.199.67.140.20.1053631230.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>

hey group, Is there a shorter way to calcute sum of cells as opposed to
what I've done below ? like C = Sum("C12:C15").value ?


C = Range("C13").Value + Range("C14").Value + Range("C15").Value



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From mitsules_ms at nns.com  Thu May 22 14:28:15 2003
From: mitsules_ms at nns.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:28:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29408@nnse14.nns.com>

Thank you Neal.  And, thankfully, our IT folks haven't found this domain and
blocked it yet;)

Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Neal Kling [mailto:nkling at co.montgomery.ny.us] 
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 3:19 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


http://www.joelonsoftware.com/navLinks/fog0000000247.html
<http://www.joelonsoftware.com/navLinks/fog0000000247.html> 
 
Neal Kling
Lotus, isn't that some kind of fancy flower?

-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:mitsules_ms at nns.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 3:15 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


My company blocks the tinyurl domain.
Can someone post the actual url?
That's not to say that they haven't blocked the real domain as well:(
 
Mark
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:28 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Hey, 
You can read several chapters from the book here: http://tinyurl.com/8hc8
<http://tinyurl.com/8hc8> 
 
Not sure if these are the full chapters or not.
 
Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Bond
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:17 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Second that Charlotte.  Published by Apress.  ISBN 1-893115-94-1 (pbk.)
 
Stephen Bond

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 21 May 2003 2:57 a.m.
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


There's also a great book out call User Interface Design for Programmers, by
Joel Spolsky, that discusses Windows interface design in general, complete
with examples of what to avoid.
 
Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 22 16:02:20 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:02:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A97 on WinXP
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FC4@infoserver01.infostat.local>

DAO 3.51 is the proper version for A97. What kind of problems are you
having.  "Yes" isn't very descriptive. <g>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 10:55 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A97 on WinXP


Yes.

Do you think it might be that I'm using DAO 3.51 (not 3.6)?

JB



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> Foust
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 9:44 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A97 on WinXP
> 
> 
> We do it all the time, since most of our development and testing 
> platforms are WinXP and our current released version of all our 
> products is in A97 (I'm still working on the AXP migration).  Are you 
> having problems?
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 4:51 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] A97 on WinXP
> 
> 
> Has anyone had any issues show up when installing/running A97 runtime 
> app on WinXP?
> 
> John B.
> "In trouble-shooting mode"
> 
> 
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From SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au  Thu May 22 19:23:19 2003
From: SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au (Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 10:23:19 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Using blat
References: <3ECC63C0.8588.1FB483@localhost>
Message-ID: <017201c320c1$83459be0$54dd31d2@OfficePC>

Thanks Bryan - I did try to use that first but couldn;t get it to work. I'll look again.

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bryan Carbonnell 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 7:44 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using blat


  On 21 May 2003 at 22:05, Francisco Tapia wrote:

  > I have something I can send to you... but blat is not a DLL but a self
  > contained SMTP application.  You do NOT need to install it in order to
  > get it to work, it just makes life easier :)
  > 
  > I will wrap up a sample tomorrow.. right now it's still wrapped up in
  > our application :)

  There is a sample like this on DBA's website in the downloads 
  section.

  MailDB.zip - This is a demo of simple outgoing email without using 
  MAPI. The code connects directly to the smtp server using sockets. 
  The code can be used to send to multiple recipients with multiple 
  attachments and can be used for bulk mailing. A simple form is 
  included to demonstrate the code usage. - David Phelan

  Whch can be found at: http://www.databaseadvisors.com/downloads.htm

  --
  Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
  Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never 
  cease to be amused.


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From david.powell at bbm.wapl.com.au  Thu May 22 22:34:36 2003
From: david.powell at bbm.wapl.com.au (Powell, David (BBM))
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 11:34:36 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
Message-ID: <1C66E1A38F4E22499CE329884E3FA8B10207F192@WAPLMAIL.wapl.com.au>

If you can get the tidbits there, what's the point of using ferrets in
the first place :)


Regards

David


-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: Wednesday, 21 May 2003 9:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


A juicy tidbit at the spot where you want the ferret to go will work.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Elam, Debbie [mailto:DElam at jenkens.com] 
Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 21 08:17
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines

Yes but how would you get them to stop playing with the cable, much less
get them out the correct spot if at all.  I have heard ferrets were used
to string cable in tight places, but I am still trying to figure out how
they were trained.  Ferrets are smart, but do not take direction well,
and consider anything and everything a toy.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Lytle [mailto:nancy.lytle at auatac.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:27 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


On a lighter note, for those really tight places for stringing cables -
walls and low ceilings-, why not use a ferret, they can get into the
most unusual places, they work on the cheap, on the other hand they can
be tempermental.

N Lytle :))

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:57 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


True enough - we only had to get across 2x4 stringers, luckily the
rafters/upper floor bearers (2x10) ran the other way.  The car
negotiated the 2x4s without a problem.

I would NEVER suggest running data through power conduit.  Guess we were
lucky again in that the house is full brick and there is a "fair" 10mm
gap between the skins, the only obstacle to vertical drops being the
brickies ties.  Brick veneer and etc with studded walls is always a
problem for any vertical cabling - I usually have opted for "dress"
conduit except in the rare cases where I felt the job was worth
replastering the wall.

Bruce
P.s. I have done it for a living.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Frank Tanner
III
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


That works fine for an office build.  But RC cars
don't work well in raftered house ceilings.  Most
houses here use 2x6s or 2x8s for rafters.  Or at least
most of the ones that I've seen.

If you're running network lines down the same conduit
as electrical wiring you're violating about a dozen
fire and safety codes.  Not to mention every basic
rule of network wiring that there is.

Electrical wiring, ESPECIALLY two-phase and
three-phase wiring emit large amounts of RF.  RF kills
data integrity.  One of the most basic rules of
network wiring is NEVER string your network wires
across power conduits, junction boxes, or lighting
fixtures.  Don't believe me?  Ask anyone that does it
for a living.  You, physically, can do it, but you
shouldn't.  You're asking for trouble.

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From john at winhaven.net  Thu May 22 23:02:19 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 23:02:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A97 on WinXP
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FC4@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJKEKNEGAA.john@winhaven.net>

Sorry for the short response, that was kind of dorky :o)

I didn't want to waste your time (not yet anyway) until I get more details
from the customer with the problem. (I'm not doing this on site so it takes
awhile talking them through things and all). BTW this was a customer who was
quite adament about the fact that they were going to be using Win2k for a
couple of years yet, so I didn't bother testing this on WinXP. They're still
on O97 and might even skip OXP since the MS marketing machine is already
talking the next version of office. OK by me though.

Some of the forms aren't opening - they show errors and then crash. I think
I've narrowed it down to only the forms that use a 3rd party Active X
control on them.

I just had a thought about the DAO version. Do you use 3.51 for everything
yet?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 4:02 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A97 on WinXP
>
>
> DAO 3.51 is the proper version for A97. What kind of problems are you
> having.  "Yes" isn't very descriptive. <g>
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 10:55 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A97 on WinXP
>
>
> Yes.
>
> Do you think it might be that I'm using DAO 3.51 (not 3.6)?
>
> JB
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
> > Foust
> > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 9:44 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] A97 on WinXP
> >
> >
> > We do it all the time, since most of our development and testing
> > platforms are WinXP and our current released version of all our
> > products is in A97 (I'm still working on the AXP migration).  Are you
> > having problems?
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 4:51 AM
> > To: AccessD
> > Subject: [AccessD] A97 on WinXP
> >
> >
> > Has anyone had any issues show up when installing/running A97 runtime
> > app on WinXP?
> >
> > John B.
> > "In trouble-shooting mode"
> >
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From ryan.smethurst at bromley.gov.uk  Fri May 23 04:19:14 2003
From: ryan.smethurst at bromley.gov.uk (Smethurst, Ryan)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 10:19:14 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Excel Range Question
Message-ID: <F4FD32CEB33B314B9187B3A6599B3D6E891DF4@lbbx2ktemp1.corp.int.bromley.gov.uk>

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Oleg,

I think something along these lines will work, obviously change the cell
reference and the range.

With ActiveCell
.Formula = "=sum(a1:a3)"
End With

HTH
RyanS


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hey group, Is there a shorter way to calcute sum of cells as opposed to
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Fri May 23 07:02:38 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 08:02:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99E55672@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

List,

A while back I got a DSL connection on my home office PC which I occasionally use for web development using Personal Web Server (Win 9x/ME version of IIS).  I was advised by our staff network person NOT to run PWS after the DSL was up because I'd be succeptable to attacks and viruses.  Does anyone know if this is true?  I have not run PWS in a couple of months and have been using a disconnected laptop to write ASP code but I'm wondering if this is necessary.  Would I need to install a firewall if I want to run PWS?

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


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From RGeldart at detma.org  Fri May 23 07:16:07 2003
From: RGeldart at detma.org (Geldart, Robert)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 08:16:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <D1131E68647DD211823100A0C9D1DE7203B73BAF@DET-EXCH-02>

Went looking for it, and it appears he's closed the site and taken off on a
sailing cruise.

Bob Geldart
RGeldart at detma.org
Massachusetts Department of Employment & Training


> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 1:12 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
> 
> Give us a link so we can all torture our eyes!
> ;-)
> 
> JB
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Geldart, Robert
> > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 11:53 AM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
> >
> > JC,
> >
> > I believe I know that site also. The other problem I have with it
> > is the use of a smaller "typewriter-style" font (courier, but not 
> > perfectly formed).
> >
> > But his technical reviews are outstanding. (I was looking for a
> > scanner, and took his recommendation.)
> >
> > Bob Geldart
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:41 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
> > >
> > > I must say I hate it myself.  I have been researching cameras
> > > lately and there is a specific site, VERY good info, but white
> > > on black. What a strain it is reading that site.  8-(
> > > I must say I went there and read their info, every time, but
> > > every time came away cursing the eyestrain.

From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Fri May 23 07:23:15 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 07:23:15 -0500
Subject: Friday OT - RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F35852@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Drew,

Anything with M$ imprint is all black in any scheme! <grin>

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Thursday 2003 May 22 13:30
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples



True, but just out of curiousity, does MS Access use a transmitted light
scheme, or a reflective light scheme?  <grin>

Unless of course you are talking about printed reports, but then that is
not an interface.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 11:56 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Drew and Roz,

In the additive color scheme, such as transmitted light, black is the
absence of all colors and white is the sum of all colors.  In the
subtractive color scheme, such as in inks and other reflective light
schemes, black is the sum of all colors and white is the absence of all
colors.  So you need to specify which color scheme you are using when
you make blanket statements about black and white. <grin>


Charles Wortz 

From artful at rogers.com  Fri May 23 07:34:45 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 08:34:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Medical Registration app
Message-ID: <044001c32127$b12292a0$8e01a8c0@Rock>

Does anyone know of a medical registration app written in Access, with
source code available, that either already works with SQL or could be
converted fairly easily? It would be used first standalone, but eventually
in 50-100 medical facilities. If anyone has written something like this, it
might be a chance to sell your code. (I am not the potential client, but
even something happens may be involved in the customization.)

Arthur


From j.frederick at att.net  Fri May 23 08:14:57 2003
From: j.frederick at att.net (John Frederick)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 09:14:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99E55672@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <IJEKKPLDKFGPGPNMKNDGCELOCCAA.j.frederick@att.net>

Yes, it is necessary.  When I started doing .asp on the same machine I used
to dial-up to get email, I got, over some period of time, about a dozen
different viruses, some of which propagated through my lan to other
machines.  If you can't block the access from the net to your machines, you
need to either use a firewall or disconnect the pws machine from the lan.

P.S.: If you put firewalls, such as Norton or McAfee on your machines, you
can ask to be warned and have a change to say ok or no when a program tries
to access another machine or the net.  You'll be amazed about how many
Microsoft and other vendow programs do so for no reason related to your
current operation in progress.  If you're not already paranoid, that will
make you so.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 8:03 AM
To: AccessD (E-mail)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses


List,

A while back I got a DSL connection on my home office PC which I
occasionally use for web development using Personal Web Server (Win 9x/ME
version of IIS).  I was advised by our staff network person NOT to run PWS
after the DSL was up because I'd be succeptable to attacks and viruses.
Does anyone know if this is true?  I have not run PWS in a couple of months
and have been using a disconnected laptop to write ASP code but I'm
wondering if this is necessary.  Would I need to install a firewall if I
want to run PWS?

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Fri May 23 08:23:37 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 09:23:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85C68@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Thanks.  I never had a problem when using dial-up though.  Were your viruses sent via e-mail as opposed to direct access to your box?  I thought I was protected from direct access by my ISPs firewall.  I'm hearing the same does not apply to DSL though.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: John Frederick [mailto:j.frederick at att.net]
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:15 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses


Yes, it is necessary.  When I started doing .asp on the same machine I used
to dial-up to get email, I got, over some period of time, about a dozen
different viruses, some of which propagated through my lan to other
machines.  If you can't block the access from the net to your machines, you
need to either use a firewall or disconnect the pws machine from the lan.

P.S.: If you put firewalls, such as Norton or McAfee on your machines, you
can ask to be warned and have a change to say ok or no when a program tries
to access another machine or the net.  You'll be amazed about how many
Microsoft and other vendow programs do so for no reason related to your
current operation in progress.  If you're not already paranoid, that will
make you so.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 8:03 AM
To: AccessD (E-mail)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses


List,

A while back I got a DSL connection on my home office PC which I
occasionally use for web development using Personal Web Server (Win 9x/ME
version of IIS).  I was advised by our staff network person NOT to run PWS
after the DSL was up because I'd be succeptable to attacks and viruses.
Does anyone know if this is true?  I have not run PWS in a couple of months
and have been using a disconnected laptop to write ASP code but I'm
wondering if this is necessary.  Would I need to install a firewall if I
want to run PWS?

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri May 23 08:24:28 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 08:24:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Medical Registration app
In-Reply-To: <044001c32127$b12292a0$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <001101c3212e$a34a3eb0$de1811d8@DanWaters>

Arthur,

Be sure that you are familiar with the FDA's electronic records and
signature requirements before you start this.  

Try this site: http://www.fda.gov/ora/compliance_ref/part11/

Also, the requirements are currently undergoing a review that will probably
impact any database written for the medical environment.  I don't know when
the review will be complete.

Good Luck!
Dan


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 6:35 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Medical Registration app


Does anyone know of a medical registration app written in Access, with
source code available, that either already works with SQL or could be
converted fairly easily? It would be used first standalone, but eventually
in 50-100 medical facilities. If anyone has written something like this, it
might be a chance to sell your code. (I am not the potential client, but
even something happens may be involved in the customization.)

Arthur

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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Fri May 23 08:28:55 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 06:28:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
In-Reply-To: <IJEKKPLDKFGPGPNMKNDGCELOCCAA.j.frederick@att.net>
Message-ID: <20030523132855.75133.qmail@web13409.mail.yahoo.com>

Personally, I wouldn't run ANY public accessable
services on my LAN.  There is a MUCH safer way to do
it, but it isn't super cheap.

I have a custom built firewall, which I run at home. 
The "public" side of it connects directly to my
Internet connection, in this case a 1Mbit VDSL
connection.  Then I have a "private" side, which
connects to my LAN, and has my strict firewall rules. 
Only what I want gets in and out.  Lastly, I have a
"DMZ".  This is where I place my publicly accessable
machines.  It is still firewalled, but not as
stringently as the LAN side, since the public needs to
hit it.  Even in this DMZ I only let through the ports
I absolutely need to.  Such as 80 & 443 for Web, 25 &
110 for e-mail, etc.  My LAN is also firewalled from
my DMZ in this configuration except for what's
absolutely needed.

In this confugiration, unless I specifically open an
e-mail with a virus attached, or something silly like
that, I'm about as safe as one can get from "the big
bad Internet".  The worst that can happen is that
there is an exploit for one of my publicly accessable
boxes and they get compromised.  My LAN is still safe.

As a side note, my firewall, web server, and e-mail
server are all running Linix or FreeBSD.  This makes
them less succeptable to all of the more common
attacks that the "script kiddies" like to use.  About
80% of the attacks and defacements on publicly
accessable servers are done by "script kiddies".  An
added benifit is that IIS specific exploits have no
affect other than to fill my logs, which archive and
rotate off daily.

Is this a bit excessive, since I don't run a business
out of my home?  Yeah, it is.  But there's no such
thing as too much security.

--- John Frederick <j.frederick at att.net> wrote:
> Yes, it is necessary.  When I started doing .asp on
> the same machine I used
> to dial-up to get email, I got, over some period of
> time, about a dozen
> different viruses, some of which propagated through
> my lan to other
> machines.  If you can't block the access from the
> net to your machines, you
> need to either use a firewall or disconnect the pws
> machine from the lan.
> 
> P.S.: If you put firewalls, such as Norton or McAfee
> on your machines, you
> can ask to be warned and have a change to say ok or
> no when a program tries
> to access another machine or the net.  You'll be
> amazed about how many
> Microsoft and other vendow programs do so for no
> reason related to your
> current operation in progress.  If you're not
> already paranoid, that will
> make you so.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 8:03 AM
> To: AccessD (E-mail)
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> 
> 
> List,
> 
> A while back I got a DSL connection on my home
> office PC which I
> occasionally use for web development using Personal
> Web Server (Win 9x/ME
> version of IIS).  I was advised by our staff network
> person NOT to run PWS
> after the DSL was up because I'd be succeptable to
> attacks and viruses.
> Does anyone know if this is true?  I have not run
> PWS in a couple of months
> and have been using a disconnected laptop to write
> ASP code but I'm
> wondering if this is necessary.  Would I need to
> install a firewall if I
> want to run PWS?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jim DeMarco
> 
> 
>
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Fri May 23 08:44:30 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 09:44:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85C6C@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

What about running it on another machine on my (wireless) network that's not directly connected to my DSL modem but has Internet access via that connection?  Is that any safer?

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:29 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses


Personally, I wouldn't run ANY public accessable
services on my LAN.  There is a MUCH safer way to do
it, but it isn't super cheap.

I have a custom built firewall, which I run at home. 
The "public" side of it connects directly to my
Internet connection, in this case a 1Mbit VDSL
connection.  Then I have a "private" side, which
connects to my LAN, and has my strict firewall rules. 
Only what I want gets in and out.  Lastly, I have a
"DMZ".  This is where I place my publicly accessable
machines.  It is still firewalled, but not as
stringently as the LAN side, since the public needs to
hit it.  Even in this DMZ I only let through the ports
I absolutely need to.  Such as 80 & 443 for Web, 25 &
110 for e-mail, etc.  My LAN is also firewalled from
my DMZ in this configuration except for what's
absolutely needed.

In this confugiration, unless I specifically open an
e-mail with a virus attached, or something silly like
that, I'm about as safe as one can get from "the big
bad Internet".  The worst that can happen is that
there is an exploit for one of my publicly accessable
boxes and they get compromised.  My LAN is still safe.

As a side note, my firewall, web server, and e-mail
server are all running Linix or FreeBSD.  This makes
them less succeptable to all of the more common
attacks that the "script kiddies" like to use.  About
80% of the attacks and defacements on publicly
accessable servers are done by "script kiddies".  An
added benifit is that IIS specific exploits have no
affect other than to fill my logs, which archive and
rotate off daily.

Is this a bit excessive, since I don't run a business
out of my home?  Yeah, it is.  But there's no such
thing as too much security.

--- John Frederick <j.frederick at att.net> wrote:
> Yes, it is necessary.  When I started doing .asp on
> the same machine I used
> to dial-up to get email, I got, over some period of
> time, about a dozen
> different viruses, some of which propagated through
> my lan to other
> machines.  If you can't block the access from the
> net to your machines, you
> need to either use a firewall or disconnect the pws
> machine from the lan.
> 
> P.S.: If you put firewalls, such as Norton or McAfee
> on your machines, you
> can ask to be warned and have a change to say ok or
> no when a program tries
> to access another machine or the net.  You'll be
> amazed about how many
> Microsoft and other vendow programs do so for no
> reason related to your
> current operation in progress.  If you're not
> already paranoid, that will
> make you so.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 8:03 AM
> To: AccessD (E-mail)
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> 
> 
> List,
> 
> A while back I got a DSL connection on my home
> office PC which I
> occasionally use for web development using Personal
> Web Server (Win 9x/ME
> version of IIS).  I was advised by our staff network
> person NOT to run PWS
> after the DSL was up because I'd be succeptable to
> attacks and viruses.
> Does anyone know if this is true?  I have not run
> PWS in a couple of months
> and have been using a disconnected laptop to write
> ASP code but I'm
> wondering if this is necessary.  Would I need to
> install a firewall if I
> want to run PWS?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jim DeMarco
> 
> 
>
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> use only of the named
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> Health Plan (HHP) that is
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> intended recipient, you are
> hereby notified that any disclosure, copying,
> distribution or use of the
> contents of this message is strictly prohibited.  If
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> please notify us
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From j.frederick at att.net  Fri May 23 08:56:02 2003
From: j.frederick at att.net (John Frederick)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 09:56:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85C6C@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <IJEKKPLDKFGPGPNMKNDGKELPCCAA.j.frederick@att.net>

1.  Concerning the wireless vs. wired lan, I wouldn't expect wireless to be
any safer.
2.  The IIS viruses are a different breed from the email viruses.  I assume
I got my IIS ones from these programs that are constantly searching for web
servers.  During the time I was on-line getting my email or browsing, I
looked like a wide-open web server.
3.  A firewall doesn't have to be a big project.  I'm told that there are
low cost lan routers that include a firewall function.  You connect the DSL
modem through that function.  I can testify that the software firewalls on
each machine interfere with many of the programs that otherwise operate
across your lan.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses


What about running it on another machine on my (wireless) network that's not
directly connected to my DSL modem but has Internet access via that
connection?  Is that any safer?

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:29 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses


Personally, I wouldn't run ANY public accessable
services on my LAN.  There is a MUCH safer way to do
it, but it isn't super cheap.

I have a custom built firewall, which I run at home.
The "public" side of it connects directly to my
Internet connection, in this case a 1Mbit VDSL
connection.  Then I have a "private" side, which
connects to my LAN, and has my strict firewall rules.
Only what I want gets in and out.  Lastly, I have a
"DMZ".  This is where I place my publicly accessable
machines.  It is still firewalled, but not as
stringently as the LAN side, since the public needs to
hit it.  Even in this DMZ I only let through the ports
I absolutely need to.  Such as 80 & 443 for Web, 25 &
110 for e-mail, etc.  My LAN is also firewalled from
my DMZ in this configuration except for what's
absolutely needed.

In this confugiration, unless I specifically open an
e-mail with a virus attached, or something silly like
that, I'm about as safe as one can get from "the big
bad Internet".  The worst that can happen is that
there is an exploit for one of my publicly accessable
boxes and they get compromised.  My LAN is still safe.

As a side note, my firewall, web server, and e-mail
server are all running Linix or FreeBSD.  This makes
them less succeptable to all of the more common
attacks that the "script kiddies" like to use.  About
80% of the attacks and defacements on publicly
accessable servers are done by "script kiddies".  An
added benifit is that IIS specific exploits have no
affect other than to fill my logs, which archive and
rotate off daily.

Is this a bit excessive, since I don't run a business
out of my home?  Yeah, it is.  But there's no such
thing as too much security.

--- John Frederick <j.frederick at att.net> wrote:
> Yes, it is necessary.  When I started doing .asp on
> the same machine I used
> to dial-up to get email, I got, over some period of
> time, about a dozen
> different viruses, some of which propagated through
> my lan to other
> machines.  If you can't block the access from the
> net to your machines, you
> need to either use a firewall or disconnect the pws
> machine from the lan.
>
> P.S.: If you put firewalls, such as Norton or McAfee
> on your machines, you
> can ask to be warned and have a change to say ok or
> no when a program tries
> to access another machine or the net.  You'll be
> amazed about how many
> Microsoft and other vendow programs do so for no
> reason related to your
> current operation in progress.  If you're not
> already paranoid, that will
> make you so.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 8:03 AM
> To: AccessD (E-mail)
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
>
>
> List,
>
> A while back I got a DSL connection on my home
> office PC which I
> occasionally use for web development using Personal
> Web Server (Win 9x/ME
> version of IIS).  I was advised by our staff network
> person NOT to run PWS
> after the DSL was up because I'd be succeptable to
> attacks and viruses.
> Does anyone know if this is true?  I have not run
> PWS in a couple of months
> and have been using a disconnected laptop to write
> ASP code but I'm
> wondering if this is necessary.  Would I need to
> install a firewall if I
> want to run PWS?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
>
>
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> you have received this
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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Fri May 23 08:56:12 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 08:56:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F87832@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Only if you have a firewall between your network and the outside world
and you also secure your wireless so outsiders cannot get in that way.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 23 08:45
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses

What about running it on another machine on my (wireless) network that's
not directly connected to my DSL modem but has Internet access via that
connection?  Is that any safer?

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:29 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses


Personally, I wouldn't run ANY public accessable
services on my LAN.  There is a MUCH safer way to do
it, but it isn't super cheap.

I have a custom built firewall, which I run at home. 
The "public" side of it connects directly to my
Internet connection, in this case a 1Mbit VDSL
connection.  Then I have a "private" side, which
connects to my LAN, and has my strict firewall rules. 
Only what I want gets in and out.  Lastly, I have a
"DMZ".  This is where I place my publicly accessable
machines.  It is still firewalled, but not as
stringently as the LAN side, since the public needs to
hit it.  Even in this DMZ I only let through the ports
I absolutely need to.  Such as 80 & 443 for Web, 25 &
110 for e-mail, etc.  My LAN is also firewalled from
my DMZ in this configuration except for what's
absolutely needed.

In this confugiration, unless I specifically open an
e-mail with a virus attached, or something silly like
that, I'm about as safe as one can get from "the big
bad Internet".  The worst that can happen is that
there is an exploit for one of my publicly accessable
boxes and they get compromised.  My LAN is still safe.

As a side note, my firewall, web server, and e-mail
server are all running Linix or FreeBSD.  This makes
them less succeptable to all of the more common
attacks that the "script kiddies" like to use.  About
80% of the attacks and defacements on publicly
accessable servers are done by "script kiddies".  An
added benifit is that IIS specific exploits have no
affect other than to fill my logs, which archive and
rotate off daily.

Is this a bit excessive, since I don't run a business
out of my home?  Yeah, it is.  But there's no such
thing as too much security.

From chizotz at charter.net  Fri May 23 08:56:36 2003
From: chizotz at charter.net (Ron  Allen)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 09:56:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 OutputTo HTML Formatting
In-Reply-To: <20030523132855.75133.qmail@web13409.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <web-975993@rems05.cluster1.charter.net>

I have a very simple report in Access97 that I need to 
export to HTML. The report exports to HTML wonderfully 
using OutputTo, and looks great, except for one thing. 
Instead of using the navigation links to move between 
pages, the people needing this report want it all on one 
long HTML page so they can also print it out in one print 
rather than printing each page.

I've looked all over to see if I could find information on 
this, and I've found nothing. I've tried various ways of 
formating the report to try to eliminate page breaks. I've 
tried modifying the template in various ways. Anyone know 
if what I'm trying to do is even possible?

Thanks,

Ron 

From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Fri May 23 09:10:49 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 09:10:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 OutputTo HTML Formatting
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F35855@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Ron,

If you want it as one big file instead of a file per page, then export
it as RTF instead of HTML.  If RTF is not an option for you, then my
next suggestion is to use an HTML editor to paste the files back
together as one.  And if that is not an option either, then you can do
it by hand.  The HTML code is easy to modify.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Allen [mailto:chizotz at charter.net] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 23 08:57
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 OutputTo HTML Formatting

I have a very simple report in Access97 that I need to 
export to HTML. The report exports to HTML wonderfully 
using OutputTo, and looks great, except for one thing. 
Instead of using the navigation links to move between 
pages, the people needing this report want it all on one 
long HTML page so they can also print it out in one print 
rather than printing each page.

I've looked all over to see if I could find information on 
this, and I've found nothing. I've tried various ways of 
formating the report to try to eliminate page breaks. I've 
tried modifying the template in various ways. Anyone know 
if what I'm trying to do is even possible?

Thanks,

Ron 

From marcel.vreuls at oop.nl  Fri May 23 09:18:46 2003
From: marcel.vreuls at oop.nl (Marcel Vreuls)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 16:18:46 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Medical Registration app
In-Reply-To: <044001c32127$b12292a0$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <000c01c32136$39655a40$c100a8c0@OOPMBO>

Arthur,

I have looked for a system like this for about two years ago. I found
AccessGP but decided I take of developing the app myself. YOu can take a
look at http://www.accessgp.com/

gr. marcel vreuls

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: vrijdag 23 mei 2003 14:35
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Medical Registration app


Does anyone know of a medical registration app written in Access, with
source code available, that either already works with SQL or could be
converted fairly easily? It would be used first standalone, but eventually
in 50-100 medical facilities. If anyone has written something like this, it
might be a chance to sell your code. (I am not the potential client, but
even something happens may be involved in the customization.)

Arthur

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From chizotz at charter.net  Fri May 23 09:30:54 2003
From: chizotz at charter.net (Ron  Allen)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 10:30:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 OutputTo HTML Formatting
In-Reply-To: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F35855@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <web-976228@rems05.cluster1.charter.net>

Thanks Charles. I agree, .rtf is probably a better option 
for what they're wanting to do. I'm going to press again 
for a move to .rtf. Otherwise, I'll write a program to 
modify the HTML files directly.

Ron

On Fri, 23 May 2003 09:10:49 -0500
  "Wortz, Charles" <CWortz at tea.state.tx.us> wrote:
>Ron,
>
>If you want it as one big file instead of a file per 
>page, then export
>it as RTF instead of HTML.  If RTF is not an option for 
>you, then my
>next suggestion is to use an HTML editor to paste the 
>files back
>together as one.  And if that is not an option either, 
>then you can do
>it by hand.  The HTML code is easy to modify.

From marcel.vreuls at oop.nl  Fri May 23 09:36:27 2003
From: marcel.vreuls at oop.nl (Marcel Vreuls)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 16:36:27 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Presentation of a URL
In-Reply-To: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F87832@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <000701c32138$b23615c0$c100a8c0@OOPMBO>

Hi group,

I store the website of companies in our CRM package. On the form the URL is
being displayed as www.oop.nl#http://www.oop.nl
When clicking this...oeps..no website. 

Any suggestions to adjust the display of this. The datatype of the field in
the database is Hyperlink.

Thank,

Marcel 
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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Fri May 23 09:44:59 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 09:44:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Presentation of a URL
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F87833@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Marcel,

Everything to the left of the http: should not be there.  You only want
the http://www.oop.nl part to display and be stored in your table.  You
will have to look through your form that displays it, your table that
stores it and the form that puts it into the table to see where that
extra stuff (very technical word <grin>) is coming from.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Marcel Vreuls
Sent: Friday 2003 May 23 09:36
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Presentation of a URL

Hi group,

I store the website of companies in our CRM package. On the form the URL
is being displayed as www.oop.nl#http://www.oop.nl When clicking
this...oeps..no website. 

Any suggestions to adjust the display of this. The datatype of the field
in the database is Hyperlink.

Thank,

Marcel 

From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Fri May 23 09:47:51 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 07:47:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85C6C@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <20030523144751.60450.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com>

If it touches the Internet in any way, except through
a firewall, it's vulnerable.  Some wireless routers
have a built-in "firewall", but I'm not sure how
secure they really are.  I never trust multi-function
systems like that.  I use a wireless router for
wireless connections, and a firewall for a firewall.

--- Jim DeMarco <Jdemarco at hshhp.org> wrote:
> What about running it on another machine on my
> (wireless) network that's not directly connected to
> my DSL modem but has Internet access via that
> connection?  Is that any safer?
> 
> Jim DeMarco
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Tanner III
> [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:29 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> 
> 
> Personally, I wouldn't run ANY public accessable
> services on my LAN.  There is a MUCH safer way to do
> it, but it isn't super cheap.
> 
> I have a custom built firewall, which I run at home.
> 
> The "public" side of it connects directly to my
> Internet connection, in this case a 1Mbit VDSL
> connection.  Then I have a "private" side, which
> connects to my LAN, and has my strict firewall
> rules. 
> Only what I want gets in and out.  Lastly, I have a
> "DMZ".  This is where I place my publicly accessable
> machines.  It is still firewalled, but not as
> stringently as the LAN side, since the public needs
> to
> hit it.  Even in this DMZ I only let through the
> ports
> I absolutely need to.  Such as 80 & 443 for Web, 25
> &
> 110 for e-mail, etc.  My LAN is also firewalled from
> my DMZ in this configuration except for what's
> absolutely needed.
> 
> In this confugiration, unless I specifically open an
> e-mail with a virus attached, or something silly
> like
> that, I'm about as safe as one can get from "the big
> bad Internet".  The worst that can happen is that
> there is an exploit for one of my publicly
> accessable
> boxes and they get compromised.  My LAN is still
> safe.
> 
> As a side note, my firewall, web server, and e-mail
> server are all running Linix or FreeBSD.  This makes
> them less succeptable to all of the more common
> attacks that the "script kiddies" like to use. 
> About
> 80% of the attacks and defacements on publicly
> accessable servers are done by "script kiddies".  An
> added benifit is that IIS specific exploits have no
> affect other than to fill my logs, which archive and
> rotate off daily.
> 
> Is this a bit excessive, since I don't run a
> business
> out of my home?  Yeah, it is.  But there's no such
> thing as too much security.
> 
> --- John Frederick <j.frederick at att.net> wrote:
> > Yes, it is necessary.  When I started doing .asp
> on
> > the same machine I used
> > to dial-up to get email, I got, over some period
> of
> > time, about a dozen
> > different viruses, some of which propagated
> through
> > my lan to other
> > machines.  If you can't block the access from the
> > net to your machines, you
> > need to either use a firewall or disconnect the
> pws
> > machine from the lan.
> > 
> > P.S.: If you put firewalls, such as Norton or
> McAfee
> > on your machines, you
> > can ask to be warned and have a change to say ok
> or
> > no when a program tries
> > to access another machine or the net.  You'll be
> > amazed about how many
> > Microsoft and other vendow programs do so for no
> > reason related to your
> > current operation in progress.  If you're not
> > already paranoid, that will
> > make you so.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 8:03 AM
> > To: AccessD (E-mail)
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> > 
> > 
> > List,
> > 
> > A while back I got a DSL connection on my home
> > office PC which I
> > occasionally use for web development using
> Personal
> > Web Server (Win 9x/ME
> > version of IIS).  I was advised by our staff
> network
> > person NOT to run PWS
> > after the DSL was up because I'd be succeptable to
> > attacks and viruses.
> > Does anyone know if this is true?  I have not run
> > PWS in a couple of months
> > and have been using a disconnected laptop to write
> > ASP code but I'm
> > wondering if this is necessary.  Would I need to
> > install a firewall if I
> > want to run PWS?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Jim DeMarco
> > 
> > 
> >
>
****************************************************************************
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> > "This electronic message is intended to be for the
> > use only of the named
> > recipient, and may contain information from Hudson
> > Health Plan (HHP) that is
> > confidential or privileged.  If you are not the
> > intended recipient, you are
> > hereby notified that any disclosure, copying,
> > distribution or use of the
> > contents of this message is strictly prohibited. 
> If
> > you have received this
> > message in error or are not the named recipient,
> > please notify us
> > immediately, either by contacting the sender at
> the
> > electronic mail address
> > noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If
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> > are not the intended
> > recipient, please do not forward this email to
> > anyone, and delete and
> > destroy all copies of this message.  Thank You".
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From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 08:08:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FC6@infoserver01.infostat.local>

My DSL router, which is not wireless, has a built in firewall.  You have
to disable software firewalls in order to install the router.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 6:48 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses


If it touches the Internet in any way, except through
a firewall, it's vulnerable.  Some wireless routers
have a built-in "firewall", but I'm not sure how
secure they really are.  I never trust multi-function
systems like that.  I use a wireless router for
wireless connections, and a firewall for a firewall.

--- Jim DeMarco <Jdemarco at hshhp.org> wrote:
> What about running it on another machine on my
> (wireless) network that's not directly connected to
> my DSL modem but has Internet access via that
> connection?  Is that any safer?
> 
> Jim DeMarco
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Tanner III
> [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:29 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> 
> 
> Personally, I wouldn't run ANY public accessable
> services on my LAN.  There is a MUCH safer way to do
> it, but it isn't super cheap.
> 
> I have a custom built firewall, which I run at home.
> 
> The "public" side of it connects directly to my
> Internet connection, in this case a 1Mbit VDSL
> connection.  Then I have a "private" side, which
> connects to my LAN, and has my strict firewall
> rules.
> Only what I want gets in and out.  Lastly, I have a
> "DMZ".  This is where I place my publicly accessable
> machines.  It is still firewalled, but not as
> stringently as the LAN side, since the public needs
> to
> hit it.  Even in this DMZ I only let through the
> ports
> I absolutely need to.  Such as 80 & 443 for Web, 25
> &
> 110 for e-mail, etc.  My LAN is also firewalled from
> my DMZ in this configuration except for what's
> absolutely needed.
> 
> In this confugiration, unless I specifically open an
> e-mail with a virus attached, or something silly
> like
> that, I'm about as safe as one can get from "the big
> bad Internet".  The worst that can happen is that
> there is an exploit for one of my publicly
> accessable
> boxes and they get compromised.  My LAN is still
> safe.
> 
> As a side note, my firewall, web server, and e-mail
> server are all running Linix or FreeBSD.  This makes
> them less succeptable to all of the more common
> attacks that the "script kiddies" like to use.
> About
> 80% of the attacks and defacements on publicly
> accessable servers are done by "script kiddies".  An
> added benifit is that IIS specific exploits have no
> affect other than to fill my logs, which archive and
> rotate off daily.
> 
> Is this a bit excessive, since I don't run a
> business
> out of my home?  Yeah, it is.  But there's no such
> thing as too much security.
> 
> --- John Frederick <j.frederick at att.net> wrote:
> > Yes, it is necessary.  When I started doing .asp
> on
> > the same machine I used
> > to dial-up to get email, I got, over some period
> of
> > time, about a dozen
> > different viruses, some of which propagated
> through
> > my lan to other
> > machines.  If you can't block the access from the
> > net to your machines, you
> > need to either use a firewall or disconnect the
> pws
> > machine from the lan.
> > 
> > P.S.: If you put firewalls, such as Norton or
> McAfee
> > on your machines, you
> > can ask to be warned and have a change to say ok
> or
> > no when a program tries
> > to access another machine or the net.  You'll be
> > amazed about how many
> > Microsoft and other vendow programs do so for no
> > reason related to your
> > current operation in progress.  If you're not
> > already paranoid, that will
> > make you so.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 8:03 AM
> > To: AccessD (E-mail)
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> > 
> > 
> > List,
> > 
> > A while back I got a DSL connection on my home
> > office PC which I
> > occasionally use for web development using
> Personal
> > Web Server (Win 9x/ME
> > version of IIS).  I was advised by our staff
> network
> > person NOT to run PWS
> > after the DSL was up because I'd be succeptable to
> > attacks and viruses.
> > Does anyone know if this is true?  I have not run
> > PWS in a couple of months
> > and have been using a disconnected laptop to write
> > ASP code but I'm
> > wondering if this is necessary.  Would I need to
> > install a firewall if I
> > want to run PWS?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Jim DeMarco
> > 
> > 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May 23 10:10:44 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 08:10:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 OutputTo HTML Formatting
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FC7@infoserver01.infostat.local>

You might consider outputting to the snapshot format instead.  It will
capture all the graphics and layout like HTML (and unlike rtf) and all
they need is the downloadable viewer to view and print the report.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Allen [mailto:chizotz at charter.net] 
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 5:57 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 OutputTo HTML Formatting


I have a very simple report in Access97 that I need to 
export to HTML. The report exports to HTML wonderfully 
using OutputTo, and looks great, except for one thing. 
Instead of using the navigation links to move between 
pages, the people needing this report want it all on one 
long HTML page so they can also print it out in one print 
rather than printing each page.

I've looked all over to see if I could find information on 
this, and I've found nothing. I've tried various ways of 
formating the report to try to eliminate page breaks. I've 
tried modifying the template in various ways. Anyone know 
if what I'm trying to do is even possible?

Thanks,

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May 23 10:11:36 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 08:11:36 -0700
Subject: Friday OT - RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FC8@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Welcome to the dark side of the farce, Luke! <VBG>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 4:23 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Friday OT - RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Drew,

Anything with M$ imprint is all black in any scheme! <grin>

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Thursday 2003 May 22 13:30
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples



True, but just out of curiousity, does MS Access use a transmitted light
scheme, or a reflective light scheme?  <grin>

Unless of course you are talking about printed reports, but then that is
not an interface.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 11:56 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Drew and Roz,

In the additive color scheme, such as transmitted light, black is the
absence of all colors and white is the sum of all colors.  In the
subtractive color scheme, such as in inks and other reflective light
schemes, black is the sum of all colors and white is the absence of all
colors.  So you need to specify which color scheme you are using when
you make blanket statements about black and white. <grin>


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May 23 10:16:33 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 08:16:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A97 on WinXP
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FC9@infoserver01.infostat.local>

For AXP and A2k, I use DAO 3.6 because that is the appropriate version.
For A97, the version is 3.51.  The code is the same, only the version
has been changed. <g>  The activex controls are likely culprits.  Some
of them may not work properly on WinXP, and you'll need to check with
the publishers to find out about any incompatibilities or available
updates.  We had problems with the VB5/A97 calendar control on WinXP,
apparently because WinXP installs the VB6 version of the common
controls.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:02 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A97 on WinXP


Sorry for the short response, that was kind of dorky :o)

I didn't want to waste your time (not yet anyway) until I get more
details from the customer with the problem. (I'm not doing this on site
so it takes awhile talking them through things and all). BTW this was a
customer who was quite adament about the fact that they were going to be
using Win2k for a couple of years yet, so I didn't bother testing this
on WinXP. They're still on O97 and might even skip OXP since the MS
marketing machine is already talking the next version of office. OK by
me though.

Some of the forms aren't opening - they show errors and then crash. I
think I've narrowed it down to only the forms that use a 3rd party
Active X control on them.

I just had a thought about the DAO version. Do you use 3.51 for
everything yet?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> Foust
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 4:02 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A97 on WinXP
>
>
> DAO 3.51 is the proper version for A97. What kind of problems are you 
> having.  "Yes" isn't very descriptive. <g>
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 10:55 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A97 on WinXP
>
>
> Yes.
>
> Do you think it might be that I'm using DAO 3.51 (not 3.6)?
>
> JB
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> > Foust
> > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 9:44 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] A97 on WinXP
> >
> >
> > We do it all the time, since most of our development and testing 
> > platforms are WinXP and our current released version of all our 
> > products is in A97 (I'm still working on the AXP migration).  Are 
> > you having problems?
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 4:51 AM
> > To: AccessD
> > Subject: [AccessD] A97 on WinXP
> >
> >
> > Has anyone had any issues show up when installing/running A97 
> > runtime app on WinXP?
> >
> > John B.
> > "In trouble-shooting mode"
> >
> >
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From marcel.vreuls at oop.nl  Fri May 23 10:17:02 2003
From: marcel.vreuls at oop.nl (Marcel Vreuls)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 17:17:02 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Presentation of a URL
In-Reply-To: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F87833@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <001401c3213e$5dad6700$c100a8c0@OOPMBO>

Hi Charles,

I have lost about 5 kilos searching where the problem is, I am not happy but
my wife is...haha... :-).

I cannot find it. My final solution worked. Delete the control from the form
and add a new one. Problem solved but I do not know why this is happened.

Gr. marcel

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz, Charles
Sent: vrijdag 23 mei 2003 16:45
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Presentation of a URL


Marcel,

Everything to the left of the http: should not be there.  You only want
the http://www.oop.nl part to display and be stored in your table.  You
will have to look through your form that displays it, your table that
stores it and the form that puts it into the table to see where that
extra stuff (very technical word <grin>) is coming from.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Marcel Vreuls
Sent: Friday 2003 May 23 09:36
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Presentation of a URL

Hi group,

I store the website of companies in our CRM package. On the form the URL
is being displayed as www.oop.nl#http://www.oop.nl When clicking
this...oeps..no website. 

Any suggestions to adjust the display of this. The datatype of the field
in the database is Hyperlink.

Thank,

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May 23 10:17:28 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 08:17:28 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FCA@infoserver01.infostat.local>

To clean up the tidbits, of course.  Gravity only works in one
direction! <VBG>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Powell, David (BBM) [mailto:david.powell at bbm.wapl.com.au] 
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 7:35 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


If you can get the tidbits there, what's the point of using ferrets in
the first place :)


Regards

David


-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: Wednesday, 21 May 2003 9:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


A juicy tidbit at the spot where you want the ferret to go will work.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Elam, Debbie [mailto:DElam at jenkens.com] 
Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 21 08:17
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines

Yes but how would you get them to stop playing with the cable, much less
get them out the correct spot if at all.  I have heard ferrets were used
to string cable in tight places, but I am still trying to figure out how
they were trained.  Ferrets are smart, but do not take direction well,
and consider anything and everything a toy.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Lytle [mailto:nancy.lytle at auatac.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:27 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


On a lighter note, for those really tight places for stringing cables -
walls and low ceilings-, why not use a ferret, they can get into the
most unusual places, they work on the cheap, on the other hand they can
be tempermental.

N Lytle :))

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:57 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


True enough - we only had to get across 2x4 stringers, luckily the
rafters/upper floor bearers (2x10) ran the other way.  The car
negotiated the 2x4s without a problem.

I would NEVER suggest running data through power conduit.  Guess we were
lucky again in that the house is full brick and there is a "fair" 10mm
gap between the skins, the only obstacle to vertical drops being the
brickies ties.  Brick veneer and etc with studded walls is always a
problem for any vertical cabling - I usually have opted for "dress"
conduit except in the rare cases where I felt the job was worth
replastering the wall.

Bruce
P.s. I have done it for a living.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Frank Tanner
III
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


That works fine for an office build.  But RC cars
don't work well in raftered house ceilings.  Most
houses here use 2x6s or 2x8s for rafters.  Or at least
most of the ones that I've seen.

If you're running network lines down the same conduit
as electrical wiring you're violating about a dozen
fire and safety codes.  Not to mention every basic
rule of network wiring that there is.

Electrical wiring, ESPECIALLY two-phase and
three-phase wiring emit large amounts of RF.  RF kills
data integrity.  One of the most basic rules of
network wiring is NEVER string your network wires
across power conduits, junction boxes, or lighting
fixtures.  Don't believe me?  Ask anyone that does it
for a living.  You, physically, can do it, but you
shouldn't.  You're asking for trouble.

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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Fri May 23 10:20:27 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 08:20:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
In-Reply-To: <IJEKKPLDKFGPGPNMKNDGKELPCCAA.j.frederick@att.net>
Message-ID: <20030523152027.86649.qmail@web13402.mail.yahoo.com>

The IIS "viruses" are specifically why I run Apache
for my web server.  There are viruses for it, but
they're ALOT less common.

Actually, a wireless LAN can be just as safe as a
wired one, if you take the time to do it properly.

Yes, the "software" firewalls that are commercially
available are much more problematic than they're
worth.  PLUS you have the added hassle of there still
being holes in the underlying OS that they're running
on.  Any firewall is only as secure as the OS that
runs it.  Whether it be Windows, Linux, BSD, OS/2,
whatever.  The "hardwires" and wireless routers that
have a built-in firewall are perfectly fine for MOST
people.  However, they do not support DMZs.  Therefore
they're not advisable to use to run your public
servers.  You'd be stuck with one of two choices. 
Your public servers would be outside the firewall and
extremely vulnerable to everything that came down the
pipe.  Or your public servers would be behind the
firewall, so you'd open up the holes for that possible
attack, as well as your LAN would be wide open to
anyone that can exploit the server itself once they're
one it.  Once they have an open access behind your
firewall, they own your LAN, just as if you didn't
have one.

--- John Frederick <j.frederick at att.net> wrote:
> 1.  Concerning the wireless vs. wired lan, I
> wouldn't expect wireless to be
> any safer.
> 2.  The IIS viruses are a different breed from the
> email viruses.  I assume
> I got my IIS ones from these programs that are
> constantly searching for web
> servers.  During the time I was on-line getting my
> email or browsing, I
> looked like a wide-open web server.
> 3.  A firewall doesn't have to be a big project. 
> I'm told that there are
> low cost lan routers that include a firewall
> function.  You connect the DSL
> modem through that function.  I can testify that the
> software firewalls on
> each machine interfere with many of the programs
> that otherwise operate
> across your lan.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:45 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> 
> 
> What about running it on another machine on my
> (wireless) network that's not
> directly connected to my DSL modem but has Internet
> access via that
> connection?  Is that any safer?
> 
> Jim DeMarco
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Tanner III
> [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:29 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> 
> 
> Personally, I wouldn't run ANY public accessable
> services on my LAN.  There is a MUCH safer way to do
> it, but it isn't super cheap.
> 
> I have a custom built firewall, which I run at home.
> The "public" side of it connects directly to my
> Internet connection, in this case a 1Mbit VDSL
> connection.  Then I have a "private" side, which
> connects to my LAN, and has my strict firewall
> rules.
> Only what I want gets in and out.  Lastly, I have a
> "DMZ".  This is where I place my publicly accessable
> machines.  It is still firewalled, but not as
> stringently as the LAN side, since the public needs
> to
> hit it.  Even in this DMZ I only let through the
> ports
> I absolutely need to.  Such as 80 & 443 for Web, 25
> &
> 110 for e-mail, etc.  My LAN is also firewalled from
> my DMZ in this configuration except for what's
> absolutely needed.
> 
> In this confugiration, unless I specifically open an
> e-mail with a virus attached, or something silly
> like
> that, I'm about as safe as one can get from "the big
> bad Internet".  The worst that can happen is that
> there is an exploit for one of my publicly
> accessable
> boxes and they get compromised.  My LAN is still
> safe.
> 
> As a side note, my firewall, web server, and e-mail
> server are all running Linix or FreeBSD.  This makes
> them less succeptable to all of the more common
> attacks that the "script kiddies" like to use. 
> About
> 80% of the attacks and defacements on publicly
> accessable servers are done by "script kiddies".  An
> added benifit is that IIS specific exploits have no
> affect other than to fill my logs, which archive and
> rotate off daily.
> 
> Is this a bit excessive, since I don't run a
> business
> out of my home?  Yeah, it is.  But there's no such
> thing as too much security.
> 
> --- John Frederick <j.frederick at att.net> wrote:
> > Yes, it is necessary.  When I started doing .asp
> on
> > the same machine I used
> > to dial-up to get email, I got, over some period
> of
> > time, about a dozen
> > different viruses, some of which propagated
> through
> > my lan to other
> > machines.  If you can't block the access from the
> > net to your machines, you
> > need to either use a firewall or disconnect the
> pws
> > machine from the lan.
> >
> > P.S.: If you put firewalls, such as Norton or
> McAfee
> > on your machines, you
> > can ask to be warned and have a change to say ok
> or
> > no when a program tries
> > to access another machine or the net.  You'll be
> > amazed about how many
> > Microsoft and other vendow programs do so for no
> > reason related to your
> > current operation in progress.  If you're not
> > already paranoid, that will
> > make you so.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 8:03 AM
> > To: AccessD (E-mail)
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> >
> >
> > List,
> >
> > A while back I got a DSL connection on my home
> > office PC which I
> > occasionally use for web development using
> Personal
> > Web Server (Win 9x/ME
> > version of IIS).  I was advised by our staff
> network
> > person NOT to run PWS
> > after the DSL was up because I'd be succeptable to
> > attacks and viruses.
> > Does anyone know if this is true?  I have not run
> > PWS in a couple of months
> > and have been using a disconnected laptop to write
> > ASP code but I'm
> > wondering if this is necessary.  Would I need to
> > install a firewall if I
> > want to run PWS?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jim DeMarco
> >
> >
> >
>
****************************************************************************
> > *******
> > "This electronic message is intended to be for the
> > use only of the named
> > recipient, and may contain information from Hudson
> > Health Plan (HHP) that is
> > confidential or privileged.  If you are not the
> > intended recipient, you are
> > hereby notified that any disclosure, copying,
> > distribution or use of the
> > contents of this message is strictly prohibited. 
> If
> > you have received this
> > message in error or are not the named recipient,
> > please notify us
> > immediately, either by contacting the sender at
> the
> > electronic mail address
> > noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If
> you
> > are not the intended
> > recipient, please do not forward this email to
> > anyone, and delete and
> > destroy all copies of this message.  Thank You".
> >
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From chizotz at charter.net  Fri May 23 10:21:40 2003
From: chizotz at charter.net (Ron  Allen)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 11:21:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 OutputTo HTML Formatting
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FC7@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <web-954426@rems07.cluster1.charter.net>

Charlotte,

That is a great idea that I hadn't considered. Thank you. 
I have a meeting about this in about an hour, I'll check 
this out as an alternative to present.

Ron


On Fri, 23 May 2003 08:10:44 -0700
  "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
>You might consider outputting to the snapshot format 
>instead.  It will
>capture all the graphics and layout like HTML (and unlike 
>rtf) and all
>they need is the downloadable viewer to view and print 
>the report.

From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Fri May 23 10:21:47 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 08:21:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FC6@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <20030523152147.8151.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com>

Yes, I am aware that "hardwired" routers have
firewalls in them too.  We were talking about wireless
ones, though....hehehehe

--- Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
wrote:
> My DSL router, which is not wireless, has a built in
> firewall.  You have
> to disable software firewalls in order to install
> the router.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Tanner III
> [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com] 
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 6:48 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> 
> 
> If it touches the Internet in any way, except
> through
> a firewall, it's vulnerable.  Some wireless routers
> have a built-in "firewall", but I'm not sure how
> secure they really are.  I never trust
> multi-function
> systems like that.  I use a wireless router for
> wireless connections, and a firewall for a firewall.
> 
> --- Jim DeMarco <Jdemarco at hshhp.org> wrote:
> > What about running it on another machine on my
> > (wireless) network that's not directly connected
> to
> > my DSL modem but has Internet access via that
> > connection?  Is that any safer?
> > 
> > Jim DeMarco
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Frank Tanner III
> > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:29 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> > 
> > 
> > Personally, I wouldn't run ANY public accessable
> > services on my LAN.  There is a MUCH safer way to
> do
> > it, but it isn't super cheap.
> > 
> > I have a custom built firewall, which I run at
> home.
> > 
> > The "public" side of it connects directly to my
> > Internet connection, in this case a 1Mbit VDSL
> > connection.  Then I have a "private" side, which
> > connects to my LAN, and has my strict firewall
> > rules.
> > Only what I want gets in and out.  Lastly, I have
> a
> > "DMZ".  This is where I place my publicly
> accessable
> > machines.  It is still firewalled, but not as
> > stringently as the LAN side, since the public
> needs
> > to
> > hit it.  Even in this DMZ I only let through the
> > ports
> > I absolutely need to.  Such as 80 & 443 for Web,
> 25
> > &
> > 110 for e-mail, etc.  My LAN is also firewalled
> from
> > my DMZ in this configuration except for what's
> > absolutely needed.
> > 
> > In this confugiration, unless I specifically open
> an
> > e-mail with a virus attached, or something silly
> > like
> > that, I'm about as safe as one can get from "the
> big
> > bad Internet".  The worst that can happen is that
> > there is an exploit for one of my publicly
> > accessable
> > boxes and they get compromised.  My LAN is still
> > safe.
> > 
> > As a side note, my firewall, web server, and
> e-mail
> > server are all running Linix or FreeBSD.  This
> makes
> > them less succeptable to all of the more common
> > attacks that the "script kiddies" like to use.
> > About
> > 80% of the attacks and defacements on publicly
> > accessable servers are done by "script kiddies". 
> An
> > added benifit is that IIS specific exploits have
> no
> > affect other than to fill my logs, which archive
> and
> > rotate off daily.
> > 
> > Is this a bit excessive, since I don't run a
> > business
> > out of my home?  Yeah, it is.  But there's no such
> > thing as too much security.
> > 
> > --- John Frederick <j.frederick at att.net> wrote:
> > > Yes, it is necessary.  When I started doing .asp
> > on
> > > the same machine I used
> > > to dial-up to get email, I got, over some period
> > of
> > > time, about a dozen
> > > different viruses, some of which propagated
> > through
> > > my lan to other
> > > machines.  If you can't block the access from
> the
> > > net to your machines, you
> > > need to either use a firewall or disconnect the
> > pws
> > > machine from the lan.
> > > 
> > > P.S.: If you put firewalls, such as Norton or
> > McAfee
> > > on your machines, you
> > > can ask to be warned and have a change to say ok
> > or
> > > no when a program tries
> > > to access another machine or the net.  You'll be
> > > amazed about how many
> > > Microsoft and other vendow programs do so for no
> > > reason related to your
> > > current operation in progress.  If you're not
> > > already paranoid, that will
> > > make you so.
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> > > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 8:03 AM
> > > To: AccessD (E-mail)
> > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> > > 
> > > 
> > > List,
> > > 
> > > A while back I got a DSL connection on my home
> > > office PC which I
> > > occasionally use for web development using
> > Personal
> > > Web Server (Win 9x/ME
> > > version of IIS).  I was advised by our staff
> > network
> > > person NOT to run PWS
> > > after the DSL was up because I'd be succeptable
> to
> > > attacks and viruses.
> > > Does anyone know if this is true?  I have not
> run
> > > PWS in a couple of months
> > > and have been using a disconnected laptop to
> write
> > > ASP code but I'm
> > > wondering if this is necessary.  Would I need to
> > > install a firewall if I
> > > want to run PWS?
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > 
> > > Jim DeMarco
> > > 
> > > 
> > >
> >
>
************************************************************************
> ****
> > > *******
> > > "This electronic message is intended to be for
> the
> > > use only of the named
> > > recipient, and may contain information from
> Hudson
> > > Health Plan (HHP) that is
> > > confidential or privileged.  If you are not the
> > > intended recipient, you are
> > > hereby notified that any disclosure, copying,
> > > distribution or use of the
> > > contents of this message is strictly prohibited.
> > If
> > > you have received this
> > > message in error or are not the named recipient,
> > > please notify us
> > > immediately, either by contacting the sender at
> > the
> > > electronic mail address
> > > noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If
> > you
> > > are not the intended
> > > recipient, please do not forward this email to
> 
=== message truncated ===


From delliker at hotmail.com  Fri May 23 10:28:26 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 11:28:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 OutputTo HTML Formatting
Message-ID: <Law12-F76LhG4YalgQk0000e914@hotmail.com>

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri May 23 10:26:16 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 08:26:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C8A@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <3ECE3D98.3070805@shaw.ca>

I believe all raster screens use RGB additive colours, however vector 
graphic screens(draws only a single line at a time) like the old 
Tektronix colour graphics terminals, used subtractive CYM colours. This 
only got messy when you were trying to add 35 mm cameras to capture the 
screen output to slides. I used this back in 80's for IBM main frame 
3270 colour terminals. The 35 mm terminal adapter was expensive at the 
time around $5000.

Drew Wutka wrote:

>True, but just out of curiousity, does MS Access use a transmitted light
>scheme, or a reflective light scheme?  <grin>
>
>Unless of course you are talking about printed reports, but then that is not
>an interface.
>
>Drew
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us]
>Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 11:56 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
>
>
>Drew and Roz,
>
>In the additive color scheme, such as transmitted light, black is the
>absence of all colors and white is the sum of all colors.  In the
>subtractive color scheme, such as in inks and other reflective light
>schemes, black is the sum of all colors and white is the absence of all
>colors.  So you need to specify which color scheme you are using when
>you make blanket statements about black and white. <grin>
>
>
>Charles Wortz 
>Software Development Division 
>Texas Education Agency 
>1701 N. Congress Ave 
>Austin, TX 78701-1494 
>512-463-9493 
>CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
>Sent: Thursday 2003 May 22 11:39
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
>
>Philosphically, you may be right.  Unfortunately, my eyes aren't
>philosophical about it.  Black, and all dark colors for that matter,
>have visual "weight" that overpowers white.  So on a black page with
>white print, the background overpowers the text.  At least, that's the
>way *my* vision works.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
>Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:20 AM
>To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
>
>
>That's what I thought (though I think you have your last sentence
>reversed...books are black on white...).  White on Black is letting your
>eye's see what's there, not what's NOT there.  (Since Black is the
>absence of all color, and white is the presence of all.)
>
>Drew
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
>Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:46 AM
>To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
>
>
>Psych studies have actually shown that the human eye differentiates
>light on dark more easily than dark on light and a dark background
>(making up, as it does, most of the screen) should cause less strain to
>the eyes, being less bright.
>
>However, I think that we find reading white-on-black easiest because
>we've all been habituated to it from reading books.
>
>Roz
>Roz 
>_______________________________________________
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>  
>



From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Fri May 23 10:33:17 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 10:33:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Presentation of a URL
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F35859@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Marcel,

If that is the case, then the control was corrupted.  How or why we will
never know!

Enjoy your slimmer self, especially if your wife likes less of you.
<grin>

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Marcel Vreuls
Sent: Friday 2003 May 23 10:17
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Presentation of a URL

Hi Charles,

I have lost about 5 kilos searching where the problem is, I am not happy
but my wife is...haha... :-).

I cannot find it. My final solution worked. Delete the control from the
form and add a new one. Problem solved but I do not know why this is
happened.

Gr. marcel

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz, Charles
Sent: vrijdag 23 mei 2003 16:45
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Presentation of a URL


Marcel,

Everything to the left of the http: should not be there.  You only want
the http://www.oop.nl part to display and be stored in your table.  You
will have to look through your form that displays it, your table that
stores it and the form that puts it into the table to see where that
extra stuff (very technical word <grin>) is coming from.

Charles Wortz
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Marcel Vreuls
Sent: Friday 2003 May 23 09:36
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Presentation of a URL

Hi group,

I store the website of companies in our CRM package. On the form the URL
is being displayed as www.oop.nl#http://www.oop.nl When clicking
this...oeps..no website. 

Any suggestions to adjust the display of this. The datatype of the field
in the database is Hyperlink.

Thank,

Marcel 

From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Fri May 23 10:36:12 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 11:36:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85C74@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Just to clarify, I'm just running a dev box with no public access or server but using IIS to hit local pages/databases. 

>>Or your public servers would be behind the firewall<<
By public server are you referring to any machine running a web server?  Or a truly public accessible web?

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco



-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 11:20 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses


The IIS "viruses" are specifically why I run Apache
for my web server.  There are viruses for it, but
they're ALOT less common.

Actually, a wireless LAN can be just as safe as a
wired one, if you take the time to do it properly.

Yes, the "software" firewalls that are commercially
available are much more problematic than they're
worth.  PLUS you have the added hassle of there still
being holes in the underlying OS that they're running
on.  Any firewall is only as secure as the OS that
runs it.  Whether it be Windows, Linux, BSD, OS/2,
whatever.  The "hardwires" and wireless routers that
have a built-in firewall are perfectly fine for MOST
people.  However, they do not support DMZs.  Therefore
they're not advisable to use to run your public
servers.  You'd be stuck with one of two choices. 
Your public servers would be outside the firewall and
extremely vulnerable to everything that came down the
pipe.  Or your public servers would be behind the
firewall, so you'd open up the holes for that possible
attack, as well as your LAN would be wide open to
anyone that can exploit the server itself once they're
one it.  Once they have an open access behind your
firewall, they own your LAN, just as if you didn't
have one.

--- John Frederick <j.frederick at att.net> wrote:
> 1.  Concerning the wireless vs. wired lan, I
> wouldn't expect wireless to be
> any safer.
> 2.  The IIS viruses are a different breed from the
> email viruses.  I assume
> I got my IIS ones from these programs that are
> constantly searching for web
> servers.  During the time I was on-line getting my
> email or browsing, I
> looked like a wide-open web server.
> 3.  A firewall doesn't have to be a big project. 
> I'm told that there are
> low cost lan routers that include a firewall
> function.  You connect the DSL
> modem through that function.  I can testify that the
> software firewalls on
> each machine interfere with many of the programs
> that otherwise operate
> across your lan.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:45 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> 
> 
> What about running it on another machine on my
> (wireless) network that's not
> directly connected to my DSL modem but has Internet
> access via that
> connection?  Is that any safer?
> 
> Jim DeMarco
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Tanner III
> [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:29 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> 
> 
> Personally, I wouldn't run ANY public accessable
> services on my LAN.  There is a MUCH safer way to do
> it, but it isn't super cheap.
> 
> I have a custom built firewall, which I run at home.
> The "public" side of it connects directly to my
> Internet connection, in this case a 1Mbit VDSL
> connection.  Then I have a "private" side, which
> connects to my LAN, and has my strict firewall
> rules.
> Only what I want gets in and out.  Lastly, I have a
> "DMZ".  This is where I place my publicly accessable
> machines.  It is still firewalled, but not as
> stringently as the LAN side, since the public needs
> to
> hit it.  Even in this DMZ I only let through the
> ports
> I absolutely need to.  Such as 80 & 443 for Web, 25
> &
> 110 for e-mail, etc.  My LAN is also firewalled from
> my DMZ in this configuration except for what's
> absolutely needed.
> 
> In this confugiration, unless I specifically open an
> e-mail with a virus attached, or something silly
> like
> that, I'm about as safe as one can get from "the big
> bad Internet".  The worst that can happen is that
> there is an exploit for one of my publicly
> accessable
> boxes and they get compromised.  My LAN is still
> safe.
> 
> As a side note, my firewall, web server, and e-mail
> server are all running Linix or FreeBSD.  This makes
> them less succeptable to all of the more common
> attacks that the "script kiddies" like to use. 
> About
> 80% of the attacks and defacements on publicly
> accessable servers are done by "script kiddies".  An
> added benifit is that IIS specific exploits have no
> affect other than to fill my logs, which archive and
> rotate off daily.
> 
> Is this a bit excessive, since I don't run a
> business
> out of my home?  Yeah, it is.  But there's no such
> thing as too much security.
> 
> --- John Frederick <j.frederick at att.net> wrote:
> > Yes, it is necessary.  When I started doing .asp
> on
> > the same machine I used
> > to dial-up to get email, I got, over some period
> of
> > time, about a dozen
> > different viruses, some of which propagated
> through
> > my lan to other
> > machines.  If you can't block the access from the
> > net to your machines, you
> > need to either use a firewall or disconnect the
> pws
> > machine from the lan.
> >
> > P.S.: If you put firewalls, such as Norton or
> McAfee
> > on your machines, you
> > can ask to be warned and have a change to say ok
> or
> > no when a program tries
> > to access another machine or the net.  You'll be
> > amazed about how many
> > Microsoft and other vendow programs do so for no
> > reason related to your
> > current operation in progress.  If you're not
> > already paranoid, that will
> > make you so.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 8:03 AM
> > To: AccessD (E-mail)
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> >
> >
> > List,
> >
> > A while back I got a DSL connection on my home
> > office PC which I
> > occasionally use for web development using
> Personal
> > Web Server (Win 9x/ME
> > version of IIS).  I was advised by our staff
> network
> > person NOT to run PWS
> > after the DSL was up because I'd be succeptable to
> > attacks and viruses.
> > Does anyone know if this is true?  I have not run
> > PWS in a couple of months
> > and have been using a disconnected laptop to write
> > ASP code but I'm
> > wondering if this is necessary.  Would I need to
> > install a firewall if I
> > want to run PWS?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jim DeMarco
> >
> >
> >
>
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> > recipient, and may contain information from Hudson
> > Health Plan (HHP) that is
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> > intended recipient, you are
> > hereby notified that any disclosure, copying,
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> > contents of this message is strictly prohibited. 
> If
> > you have received this
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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Fri May 23 10:37:38 2003
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 19:37:38 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] 
	OT: Writing raw RTF document using VB/VBA/C(++)/DELPHI/...
Message-ID: <002a01c32141$3f56a660$b501010a@DAISY.local>

Hi All,

Has anybody seen on the Internet any advanced code samples of writing raw
text of RTF documents with different formatting styles, headings, lists,
tables etc. using VB/VBA/C#/C(++)/ <literally any programming language> but
without usage of ActiveX controls, without  MS Word Automation etc. - i.e.
just plain raw code to write raw RTF like in P.S. of this message?
And maybe .PDF too? - or this latter is too much to have for free? - maybe
then good description of .PDF format in electronic form or printed as a
book? Any useful refs on that?

TIA for any info,
Shamil

P.S. Raw rtf sample

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Web: http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s



From Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK  Fri May 23 10:12:17 2003
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK (Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK)
Date: 23 May 2003 16:12:17 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
Message-ID: <200305231512.QAA09652@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

Jim

You run a web server at hoem your always at risk of hacking attempts. Put 
up a secent firewall.

I have IIS running on a server here but its not connected to the web. Dosnt 
matter for dev work at all. I connect as and when I need to. Other than 
that I leave the server of the modems.



Martin


On May 23 2003, Jim DeMarco wrote:

> What about running it on another machine on my (wireless) network that's 
> not directly connected to my DSL modem but has Internet access via that 
> connection? Is that any safer?
> 
> Jim DeMarco
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:29 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> 
> 
> Personally, I wouldn't run ANY public accessable
> services on my LAN.  There is a MUCH safer way to do
> it, but it isn't super cheap.
> 
> I have a custom built firewall, which I run at home. 
> The "public" side of it connects directly to my
> Internet connection, in this case a 1Mbit VDSL
> connection.  Then I have a "private" side, which
> connects to my LAN, and has my strict firewall rules. 
> Only what I want gets in and out.  Lastly, I have a
> "DMZ".  This is where I place my publicly accessable
> machines.  It is still firewalled, but not as
> stringently as the LAN side, since the public needs to
> hit it.  Even in this DMZ I only let through the ports
> I absolutely need to.  Such as 80 & 443 for Web, 25 &
> 110 for e-mail, etc.  My LAN is also firewalled from
> my DMZ in this configuration except for what's
> absolutely needed.
> 
> In this confugiration, unless I specifically open an
> e-mail with a virus attached, or something silly like
> that, I'm about as safe as one can get from "the big
> bad Internet".  The worst that can happen is that
> there is an exploit for one of my publicly accessable
> boxes and they get compromised.  My LAN is still safe.
> 
> As a side note, my firewall, web server, and e-mail
> server are all running Linix or FreeBSD.  This makes
> them less succeptable to all of the more common
> attacks that the "script kiddies" like to use.  About
> 80% of the attacks and defacements on publicly
> accessable servers are done by "script kiddies".  An
> added benifit is that IIS specific exploits have no
> affect other than to fill my logs, which archive and
> rotate off daily.
> 
> Is this a bit excessive, since I don't run a business
> out of my home?  Yeah, it is.  But there's no such
> thing as too much security.
> 
> --- John Frederick <j.frederick at att.net> wrote:
> > Yes, it is necessary.  When I started doing .asp on
> > the same machine I used
> > to dial-up to get email, I got, over some period of
> > time, about a dozen
> > different viruses, some of which propagated through
> > my lan to other
> > machines.  If you can't block the access from the
> > net to your machines, you
> > need to either use a firewall or disconnect the pws
> > machine from the lan.
> > 
> > P.S.: If you put firewalls, such as Norton or McAfee
> > on your machines, you
> > can ask to be warned and have a change to say ok or
> > no when a program tries
> > to access another machine or the net.  You'll be
> > amazed about how many
> > Microsoft and other vendow programs do so for no
> > reason related to your
> > current operation in progress.  If you're not
> > already paranoid, that will
> > make you so.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 8:03 AM
> > To: AccessD (E-mail)
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> > 
> > 
> > List,
> > 
> > A while back I got a DSL connection on my home
> > office PC which I
> > occasionally use for web development using Personal
> > Web Server (Win 9x/ME
> > version of IIS).  I was advised by our staff network
> > person NOT to run PWS
> > after the DSL was up because I'd be succeptable to
> > attacks and viruses.
> > Does anyone know if this is true?  I have not run
> > PWS in a couple of months
> > and have been using a disconnected laptop to write
> > ASP code but I'm
> > wondering if this is necessary.  Would I need to
> > install a firewall if I
> > want to run PWS?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Jim DeMarco
> > 
> > 
> >
>  
>  
> ****************************************************************************
> > *******
> > "This electronic message is intended to be for the
> > use only of the named
> > recipient, and may contain information from Hudson
> > Health Plan (HHP) that is
> > confidential or privileged.  If you are not the
> > intended recipient, you are
> > hereby notified that any disclosure, copying,
> > distribution or use of the
> > contents of this message is strictly prohibited.  If
> > you have received this
> > message in error or are not the named recipient,
> > please notify us
> > immediately, either by contacting the sender at the
> > electronic mail address
> > noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you
> > are not the intended
> > recipient, please do not forward this email to
> > anyone, and delete and
> > destroy all copies of this message.  Thank You".
> >
>  
>  
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> 
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> recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that 
> is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you 
> are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of 
> the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received 
> this message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us 
> immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic mail 
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Fri May 23 10:44:06 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 11:44:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85C75@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Thanks Martin.  

>From what I'm gathering from this thread I should look into a hardware solution (that the fact that I'm running WinME on a P200 that's a relatively slow performer as is).  How costly might that be?

Jim DeMarco



-----Original Message-----
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
[mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK]
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 11:12 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses


Jim

You run a web server at hoem your always at risk of hacking attempts. Put up a secent firewall.

I have IIS running on a server here but its not connected to the web. Dosnt matter for dev work at all. I connect as and when I need to. Other than 
that I leave the server of the modems.



Martin


On May 23 2003, Jim DeMarco wrote:

> What about running it on another machine on my (wireless) network that's > not directly connected to my DSL modem but has Internet access via that > connection? Is that any safer?
> 
> Jim DeMarco
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:29 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> 
> 
> Personally, I wouldn't run ANY public accessable
> services on my LAN.  There is a MUCH safer way to do
> it, but it isn't super cheap.
> 
> I have a custom built firewall, which I run at home. 
> The "public" side of it connects directly to my
> Internet connection, in this case a 1Mbit VDSL
> connection.  Then I have a "private" side, which
> connects to my LAN, and has my strict firewall rules. 
> Only what I want gets in and out.  Lastly, I have a
> "DMZ".  This is where I place my publicly accessable
> machines.  It is still firewalled, but not as
> stringently as the LAN side, since the public needs to
> hit it.  Even in this DMZ I only let through the ports
> I absolutely need to.  Such as 80 & 443 for Web, 25 &
> 110 for e-mail, etc.  My LAN is also firewalled from
> my DMZ in this configuration except for what's
> absolutely needed.
> 
> In this confugiration, unless I specifically open an
> e-mail with a virus attached, or something silly like
> that, I'm about as safe as one can get from "the big
> bad Internet".  The worst that can happen is that
> there is an exploit for one of my publicly accessable
> boxes and they get compromised.  My LAN is still safe.
> 
> As a side note, my firewall, web server, and e-mail
> server are all running Linix or FreeBSD.  This makes
> them less succeptable to all of the more common
> attacks that the "script kiddies" like to use.  About
> 80% of the attacks and defacements on publicly
> accessable servers are done by "script kiddies".  An
> added benifit is that IIS specific exploits have no
> affect other than to fill my logs, which archive and
> rotate off daily.
> 
> Is this a bit excessive, since I don't run a business
> out of my home?  Yeah, it is.  But there's no such
> thing as too much security.
> 
> --- John Frederick <j.frederick at att.net> wrote:
> > Yes, it is necessary.  When I started doing .asp on
> > the same machine I used
> > to dial-up to get email, I got, over some period of
> > time, about a dozen
> > different viruses, some of which propagated through
> > my lan to other
> > machines.  If you can't block the access from the
> > net to your machines, you
> > need to either use a firewall or disconnect the pws
> > machine from the lan.
> > 
> > P.S.: If you put firewalls, such as Norton or McAfee
> > on your machines, you
> > can ask to be warned and have a change to say ok or
> > no when a program tries
> > to access another machine or the net.  You'll be
> > amazed about how many
> > Microsoft and other vendow programs do so for no
> > reason related to your
> > current operation in progress.  If you're not
> > already paranoid, that will
> > make you so.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 8:03 AM
> > To: AccessD (E-mail)
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> > 
> > 
> > List,
> > 
> > A while back I got a DSL connection on my home
> > office PC which I
> > occasionally use for web development using Personal
> > Web Server (Win 9x/ME
> > version of IIS).  I was advised by our staff network
> > person NOT to run PWS
> > after the DSL was up because I'd be succeptable to
> > attacks and viruses.
> > Does anyone know if this is true?  I have not run
> > PWS in a couple of months
> > and have been using a disconnected laptop to write
> > ASP code but I'm
> > wondering if this is necessary.  Would I need to
> > install a firewall if I
> > want to run PWS?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Jim DeMarco
> > 
> > 
> >
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Fri May 23 10:47:24 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 08:47:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85C74@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <20030523154724.90880.qmail@web13402.mail.yahoo.com>

Any truely publicly accessable box.  I.E. Any machine
that is accessable from outside of your firewall, even
through port forwarding.

--- Jim DeMarco <Jdemarco at hshhp.org> wrote:
> Just to clarify, I'm just running a dev box with no
> public access or server but using IIS to hit local
> pages/databases. 
> 
> >>Or your public servers would be behind the
> firewall<<
> By public server are you referring to any machine
> running a web server?  Or a truly public accessible
> web?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jim DeMarco
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Tanner III
> [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 11:20 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> 
> 
> The IIS "viruses" are specifically why I run Apache
> for my web server.  There are viruses for it, but
> they're ALOT less common.
> 
> Actually, a wireless LAN can be just as safe as a
> wired one, if you take the time to do it properly.
> 
> Yes, the "software" firewalls that are commercially
> available are much more problematic than they're
> worth.  PLUS you have the added hassle of there
> still
> being holes in the underlying OS that they're
> running
> on.  Any firewall is only as secure as the OS that
> runs it.  Whether it be Windows, Linux, BSD, OS/2,
> whatever.  The "hardwires" and wireless routers that
> have a built-in firewall are perfectly fine for MOST
> people.  However, they do not support DMZs. 
> Therefore
> they're not advisable to use to run your public
> servers.  You'd be stuck with one of two choices. 
> Your public servers would be outside the firewall
> and
> extremely vulnerable to everything that came down
> the
> pipe.  Or your public servers would be behind the
> firewall, so you'd open up the holes for that
> possible
> attack, as well as your LAN would be wide open to
> anyone that can exploit the server itself once
> they're
> one it.  Once they have an open access behind your
> firewall, they own your LAN, just as if you didn't
> have one.
> 
> --- John Frederick <j.frederick at att.net> wrote:
> > 1.  Concerning the wireless vs. wired lan, I
> > wouldn't expect wireless to be
> > any safer.
> > 2.  The IIS viruses are a different breed from the
> > email viruses.  I assume
> > I got my IIS ones from these programs that are
> > constantly searching for web
> > servers.  During the time I was on-line getting my
> > email or browsing, I
> > looked like a wide-open web server.
> > 3.  A firewall doesn't have to be a big project. 
> > I'm told that there are
> > low cost lan routers that include a firewall
> > function.  You connect the DSL
> > modem through that function.  I can testify that
> the
> > software firewalls on
> > each machine interfere with many of the programs
> > that otherwise operate
> > across your lan.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:45 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> > 
> > 
> > What about running it on another machine on my
> > (wireless) network that's not
> > directly connected to my DSL modem but has
> Internet
> > access via that
> > connection?  Is that any safer?
> > 
> > Jim DeMarco
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Frank Tanner III
> > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:29 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> > 
> > 
> > Personally, I wouldn't run ANY public accessable
> > services on my LAN.  There is a MUCH safer way to
> do
> > it, but it isn't super cheap.
> > 
> > I have a custom built firewall, which I run at
> home.
> > The "public" side of it connects directly to my
> > Internet connection, in this case a 1Mbit VDSL
> > connection.  Then I have a "private" side, which
> > connects to my LAN, and has my strict firewall
> > rules.
> > Only what I want gets in and out.  Lastly, I have
> a
> > "DMZ".  This is where I place my publicly
> accessable
> > machines.  It is still firewalled, but not as
> > stringently as the LAN side, since the public
> needs
> > to
> > hit it.  Even in this DMZ I only let through the
> > ports
> > I absolutely need to.  Such as 80 & 443 for Web,
> 25
> > &
> > 110 for e-mail, etc.  My LAN is also firewalled
> from
> > my DMZ in this configuration except for what's
> > absolutely needed.
> > 
> > In this confugiration, unless I specifically open
> an
> > e-mail with a virus attached, or something silly
> > like
> > that, I'm about as safe as one can get from "the
> big
> > bad Internet".  The worst that can happen is that
> > there is an exploit for one of my publicly
> > accessable
> > boxes and they get compromised.  My LAN is still
> > safe.
> > 
> > As a side note, my firewall, web server, and
> e-mail
> > server are all running Linix or FreeBSD.  This
> makes
> > them less succeptable to all of the more common
> > attacks that the "script kiddies" like to use. 
> > About
> > 80% of the attacks and defacements on publicly
> > accessable servers are done by "script kiddies". 
> An
> > added benifit is that IIS specific exploits have
> no
> > affect other than to fill my logs, which archive
> and
> > rotate off daily.
> > 
> > Is this a bit excessive, since I don't run a
> > business
> > out of my home?  Yeah, it is.  But there's no such
> > thing as too much security.
> > 
> > --- John Frederick <j.frederick at att.net> wrote:
> > > Yes, it is necessary.  When I started doing .asp
> > on
> > > the same machine I used
> > > to dial-up to get email, I got, over some period
> > of
> > > time, about a dozen
> > > different viruses, some of which propagated
> > through
> > > my lan to other
> > > machines.  If you can't block the access from
> the
> > > net to your machines, you
> > > need to either use a firewall or disconnect the
> > pws
> > > machine from the lan.
> > >
> > > P.S.: If you put firewalls, such as Norton or
> > McAfee
> > > on your machines, you
> > > can ask to be warned and have a change to say ok
> > or
> > > no when a program tries
> > > to access another machine or the net.  You'll be
> > > amazed about how many
> > > Microsoft and other vendow programs do so for no
> > > reason related to your
> > > current operation in progress.  If you're not
> > > already paranoid, that will
> > > make you so.
> 
=== message truncated ===


From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May 23 10:48:06 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 10:48:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C9A@main2.marlow.com>

Boy, that is a good question.  I am not sure myself, but I always thought
that the PWS was only usable on the local machine.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 7:03 AM
To: AccessD (E-mail)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses


List,

A while back I got a DSL connection on my home office PC which I
occasionally use for web development using Personal Web Server (Win 9x/ME
version of IIS).  I was advised by our staff network person NOT to run PWS
after the DSL was up because I'd be succeptable to attacks and viruses.
Does anyone know if this is true?  I have not run PWS in a couple of months
and have been using a disconnected laptop to write ASP code but I'm
wondering if this is necessary.  Would I need to install a firewall if I
want to run PWS?

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Fri May 23 10:54:09 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 08:54:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85C75@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <20030523155409.13582.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com>

Depends.

If you go the "firewall appliance" route, such as
SinocWall, you're looking at close to a thousand bucks
(the last time I checked).  If you go the "I'm taking
a PC, putting multiple network cards in it and making
a firewall out of it." you can get away for free if
you have the hardware readily available.

My firewall is a P3-700 PC with 256MB of RAM, an 8GB
hard drive and 4 network cards.  Hardware-wise this
firewall is way overkill for what I need, .  I
wouldn't recommend anything less than a P2-333 for a
firewall though if you have a DSL or cablemodem based
Internet connection.  For an OS it's running a
hardened minimilistic flavor of Red Hat Linux 8.0. 
I'm running the built-in IPTables firewall for all of
my firewalling needs.  That makes the OS and firewall
free too.

--- Jim DeMarco <Jdemarco at hshhp.org> wrote:
> Thanks Martin.  
> 
> >From what I'm gathering from this thread I should
> look into a hardware solution (that the fact that
> I'm running WinME on a P200 that's a relatively slow
> performer as is).  How costly might that be?
> 
> Jim DeMarco
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
> [mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK]
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 11:12 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> 
> 
> Jim
> 
> You run a web server at hoem your always at risk of
> hacking attempts. Put up a secent firewall.
> 
> I have IIS running on a server here but its not
> connected to the web. Dosnt matter for dev work at
> all. I connect as and when I need to. Other than 
> that I leave the server of the modems.
> 
> 
> 
> Martin
> 
> 
> On May 23 2003, Jim DeMarco wrote:
> 
> > What about running it on another machine on my
> (wireless) network that's > not directly connected
> to my DSL modem but has Internet access via that >
> connection? Is that any safer?
> > 
> > Jim DeMarco
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Frank Tanner III
> [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:29 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> > 
> > 
> > Personally, I wouldn't run ANY public accessable
> > services on my LAN.  There is a MUCH safer way to
> do
> > it, but it isn't super cheap.
> > 
> > I have a custom built firewall, which I run at
> home. 
> > The "public" side of it connects directly to my
> > Internet connection, in this case a 1Mbit VDSL
> > connection.  Then I have a "private" side, which
> > connects to my LAN, and has my strict firewall
> rules. 
> > Only what I want gets in and out.  Lastly, I have
> a
> > "DMZ".  This is where I place my publicly
> accessable
> > machines.  It is still firewalled, but not as
> > stringently as the LAN side, since the public
> needs to
> > hit it.  Even in this DMZ I only let through the
> ports
> > I absolutely need to.  Such as 80 & 443 for Web,
> 25 &
> > 110 for e-mail, etc.  My LAN is also firewalled
> from
> > my DMZ in this configuration except for what's
> > absolutely needed.
> > 
> > In this confugiration, unless I specifically open
> an
> > e-mail with a virus attached, or something silly
> like
> > that, I'm about as safe as one can get from "the
> big
> > bad Internet".  The worst that can happen is that
> > there is an exploit for one of my publicly
> accessable
> > boxes and they get compromised.  My LAN is still
> safe.
> > 
> > As a side note, my firewall, web server, and
> e-mail
> > server are all running Linix or FreeBSD.  This
> makes
> > them less succeptable to all of the more common
> > attacks that the "script kiddies" like to use. 
> About
> > 80% of the attacks and defacements on publicly
> > accessable servers are done by "script kiddies". 
> An
> > added benifit is that IIS specific exploits have
> no
> > affect other than to fill my logs, which archive
> and
> > rotate off daily.
> > 
> > Is this a bit excessive, since I don't run a
> business
> > out of my home?  Yeah, it is.  But there's no such
> > thing as too much security.
> > 
> > --- John Frederick <j.frederick at att.net> wrote:
> > > Yes, it is necessary.  When I started doing .asp
> on
> > > the same machine I used
> > > to dial-up to get email, I got, over some period
> of
> > > time, about a dozen
> > > different viruses, some of which propagated
> through
> > > my lan to other
> > > machines.  If you can't block the access from
> the
> > > net to your machines, you
> > > need to either use a firewall or disconnect the
> pws
> > > machine from the lan.
> > > 
> > > P.S.: If you put firewalls, such as Norton or
> McAfee
> > > on your machines, you
> > > can ask to be warned and have a change to say ok
> or
> > > no when a program tries
> > > to access another machine or the net.  You'll be
> > > amazed about how many
> > > Microsoft and other vendow programs do so for no
> > > reason related to your
> > > current operation in progress.  If you're not
> > > already paranoid, that will
> > > make you so.
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> > > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 8:03 AM
> > > To: AccessD (E-mail)
> > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> > > 
> > > 
> > > List,
> > > 
> > > A while back I got a DSL connection on my home
> > > office PC which I
> > > occasionally use for web development using
> Personal
> > > Web Server (Win 9x/ME
> > > version of IIS).  I was advised by our staff
> network
> > > person NOT to run PWS
> > > after the DSL was up because I'd be succeptable
> to
> > > attacks and viruses.
> > > Does anyone know if this is true?  I have not
> run
> > > PWS in a couple of months
> > > and have been using a disconnected laptop to
> write
> > > ASP code but I'm
> > > wondering if this is necessary.  Would I need to
> > > install a firewall if I
> > > want to run PWS?
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > 
> > > Jim DeMarco
> > > 
> > > 
> > >
> >  
> >  
> >
>
****************************************************************************
> > > *******
> > > "This electronic message is intended to be for
> the
> > > use only of the named
> > > recipient, and may contain information from
> Hudson
> > > Health Plan (HHP) that is
> > > confidential or privileged.  If you are not the
> > > intended recipient, you are
> > > hereby notified that any disclosure, copying,
> > > distribution or use of the
> > > contents of this message is strictly prohibited.
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> > > you have received this
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From delliker at hotmail.com  Fri May 23 10:54:05 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 11:54:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <Law12-F11sTmWutxfAM0000e97d@hotmail.com>

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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Fri May 23 10:55:37 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 08:55:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C9A@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <20030523155537.19079.qmail@web13404.mail.yahoo.com>

PWS is a "cut down" version of IIS.  It has similar
functionality.  It *IS* hittable from outside of the
local box.  Meaning, that it is not a local only web
server.  You CAN connect to it from other machines,
just like IIS.

--- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> Boy, that is a good question.  I am not sure myself,
> but I always thought
> that the PWS was only usable on the local machine.
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 7:03 AM
> To: AccessD (E-mail)
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> 
> 
> List,
> 
> A while back I got a DSL connection on my home
> office PC which I
> occasionally use for web development using Personal
> Web Server (Win 9x/ME
> version of IIS).  I was advised by our staff network
> person NOT to run PWS
> after the DSL was up because I'd be succeptable to
> attacks and viruses.
> Does anyone know if this is true?  I have not run
> PWS in a couple of months
> and have been using a disconnected laptop to write
> ASP code but I'm
> wondering if this is necessary.  Would I need to
> install a firewall if I
> want to run PWS?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jim DeMarco
> 
> 
>
****************************************************************************
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> use only of the named
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> Health Plan (HHP) that is
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> intended recipient, you are
> hereby notified that any disclosure, copying,
> distribution or use of the
> contents of this message is strictly prohibited.  If
> you have received this
> message in error or are not the named recipient,
> please notify us
> immediately, either by contacting the sender at the
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> noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you
> are not the intended
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From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca  Fri May 23 10:56:41 2003
From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 11:56:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Writing raw RTF document using
	VB/VBA/C(++)/DELPHI/...
Message-ID: <sece0c86.073@cbc.ca>

Shamil,

RTF Files are just plain old ascii text. So Low level File I/O will work to write it.

The biggest challenge would be to get the text string correct before writing them out to the file.

Here is a link to the RTF spec.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/?url=/library/en-us/dnrtfspec/html/rtfspec.asp?frame=true

As for PDF, here is the link to the PDF Specs.

http://partners.adobe.com/asn/acrobat/docs.jsp#filefmtspecs

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

>>> shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru 23-May-03 11:37:38 AM >>>
Hi All,

Has anybody seen on the Internet any advanced code samples of writing raw
text of RTF documents with different formatting styles, headings, lists,
tables etc. using VB/VBA/C#/C(++)/ <literally any programming language> but
without usage of ActiveX controls, without  MS Word Automation etc. - i.e.
just plain raw code to write raw RTF like in P.S. of this message?
And maybe .PDF too? - or this latter is too much to have for free? - maybe
then good description of .PDF format in electronic form or printed as a
book? Any useful refs on that?

TIA for any info,
Shamil

P.S. Raw rtf sample

{\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252\uc1
\deff0\deflang1033\deflangfe1033{\fonttbl{\f0\froman\fcharset204\fprq2{\*\pa
nose 02020603050405020304}Times New
Roman;}{\f1\fswiss\fcharset204\fprq2{\*\panose 020b0604020202020204}Arial;}
{\f2\fmodern\fcharset204\fprq1{\*\panose 02070309020205020404}Courier
New;}{\f3\froman\fcharset2\fprq2{\*\panose
05050102010706020507}Symbol;}{\f14\fnil\fcharset2\fprq2{\*\panose
05000000000000000000}Wingdings;}
{\f30\froman\fcharset0\fprq2 Times New Roman;}{\f28\froman\fcharset238\fprq2
Times New Roman CE;}{\f31\froman\fcharset161\fprq2 Times New Roman
Greek;}{\f32\froman\fcharset162\fprq2 Times New Roman Tur;}
{\f33\froman\fcharset177\fprq2 Times New Roman
(Hebrew);}{\f34\froman\fcharset178\fprq2 Times New Roman
(Arabic);}{\f35\froman\fcharset186\fprq2 Times New Roman
Baltic;}{\f38\fswiss\fcharset0\fprq2 Arial;}{\f36\fswiss\fcharset238\fprq2
Arial CE;}
{\f39\fswiss\fcharset161\fprq2 Arial Greek;}{\f40\fswiss\fcharset162\fprq2
Arial Tur;}{\f41\fswiss\fcharset177\fprq2 Arial
(Hebrew);}{\f42\fswiss\fcharset178\fprq2 Arial
(Arabic);}{\f43\fswiss\fcharset186\fprq2 Arial Baltic;}
{\f46\fmodern\fcharset0\fprq1 Courier New;}{\f44\fmodern\fcharset238\fprq1
Courier New CE;}{\f47\fmodern\fcharset161\fprq1 Courier New
Greek;}{\f48\fmodern\fcharset162\fprq1 Courier New
Tur;}{\f49\fmodern\fcharset177\fprq1 Courier New (Hebrew);}
{\f50\fmodern\fcharset178\fprq1 Courier New
(Arabic);}{\f51\fmodern\fcharset186\fprq1 Courier New
Baltic;}}{\colortbl;\red0\green0\blue0;\red0\green0\blue255;\red0\green255\b
lue255;\red0\green255\blue0;\red255\green0\blue255;\red255\green0\blue0;
\red255\green255\blue0;\red255\green255\blue255;\red0\green0\blue128;\red0\g
reen128\blue128;\red0\green128\blue0;\red128\green0\blue128;\red128\green0\b
lue0;\red128\green128\blue0;\red128\green128\blue128;\red192\green192\blue19
2;}{\stylesheet{
\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0
\fs24\lang1033\langfe1033\cgrid\langnp1033\langfenp1033 \snext0
Normal;}{\s3\ql
\li0\ri0\sb240\sa60\keepn\widctlpar\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\
lin0\itap0
\b\f1\fs26\lang1033\langfe1033\cgrid\langnp1033\langfenp1033 \sbasedon0
\snext0 heading 3;}{\*\cs10 \additive Default Paragraph
Font;}}{\*\listtable{\list\listtemplateid-1472272512\listhybrid{\listlevel\l
evelnfc23\levelnfcn23\leveljc0\leveljcn0
\levelfollow0\levelstartat1\levelspace360\levelindent0{\leveltext\leveltempl
ateid67698695\'01\u-3983
?;}{\levelnumbers;}\f14\fs16\chbrdr\brdrnone\brdrcf1
\chshdng0\chcfpat1\chcbpat1\fbias0
\fi-360\li720\jclisttab\tx720 }{\listlevel\levelnfc23\levelnfcn23
\leveljc0\leveljcn0\levelfollow0\levelstartat1\levelspace360\levelindent0{\l
eveltext\leveltemplateid67698691\'01o;}{\levelnumbers;}\f2\chbrdr\brdrnone\b
rdrcf1 \chshdng0\chcfpat1\chcbpat1\fbias0
\fi-360\li1440\jclisttab\tx1440 }{\listlevel\levelnfc23
\levelnfcn23\leveljc0\leveljcn0\levelfollow0\levelstartat1\levelspace360\lev
elindent0{\leveltext\leveltemplateid67698693\'01\u-3929
?;}{\levelnumbers;}\f14\chbrdr\brdrnone\brdrcf1
\chshdng0\chcfpat1\chcbpat1\fbias0 \fi-360\li2160\jclisttab\tx2160 }
{\listlevel\levelnfc23\levelnfcn23\leveljc0\leveljcn0\levelfollow0\levelstar
tat1\levelspace360\levelindent0{\leveltext\leveltemplateid67698689\'01\u-391
3 ?;}{\levelnumbers;}\f3\chbrdr\brdrnone\brdrcf1
\chshdng0\chcfpat1\chcbpat1\fbias0 \fi-360\li2880
\jclisttab\tx2880 }{\listlevel\levelnfc23\levelnfcn23\leveljc0\leveljcn0\lev
elfollow0\levelstartat1\levelspace360\levelindent0{\leveltext\leveltemplatei
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\chshdng0\chcfpat1\chcbpat1\fbias0
\fi-360\li3600\jclisttab\tx3600 }{\listlevel\levelnfc23\levelnfcn23\leveljc0
\leveljcn0\levelfollow0\levelstartat1\levelspace360\levelindent0{\leveltext\
leveltemplateid67698693\'01\u-3929
?;}{\levelnumbers;}\f14\chbrdr\brdrnone\brdrcf1
\chshdng0\chcfpat1\chcbpat1\fbias0
\fi-360\li4320\jclisttab\tx4320 }{\listlevel\levelnfc23\levelnfcn23\leveljc0
\leveljcn0\levelfollow0\levelstartat1\levelspace360\levelindent0{\leveltext\
leveltemplateid67698689\'01\u-3913 ?;}{\levelnumbers;}\f3\chbrdr
\brdrnone\brdrcf1 \chshdng0\chcfpat1\chcbpat1\fbias0
\fi-360\li5040\jclisttab\tx5040 }{\listlevel\levelnfc23\levelnfcn23\leveljc0
\leveljcn0\levelfollow0\levelstartat1\levelspace360\levelindent0{\leveltext\
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\chbrdr\brdrnone\brdrcf1 \chshdng0\chcfpat1\chcbpat1\fbias0
\fi-360\li5760\jclisttab\tx5760 }{\listlevel\levelnfc23\levelnfcn23\leveljc0
\leveljcn0\levelfollow0\levelstartat1\levelspace360\levelindent0{\leveltext\
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\chshdng0\chcfpat1\chcbpat1\fbias0
\fi-360\li6480\jclisttab\tx6480 }{\listname
;}\listid2140488109}}{\*\listoverridetable{\listoverride\listid2140488109\li
stoverridecount0\ls1}}{\info
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any SMS Consulting Ltd.}
{\nofcharsws0}{\vern8269}}\margl1701\margr850\margt1134\margb1134
\widowctrl\ftnbj\aenddoc\noxlattoyen\expshrtn\noultrlspc\dntblnsbdb\nospacef
orul\formshade\horzdoc\dgmargin\dghspace180\dgvspace180\dghorigin1701\dgvori
gin1134\dghshow1\dgvshow1
\jexpand\viewkind1\viewscale130\pgbrdrhead\pgbrdrfoot\splytwnine\ftnlytwnine
\htmautsp\nolnhtadjtbl\useltbaln\alntblind\lytcalctblwd\lyttblrtgr\lnbrkrule
\fet0\sectd
\linex0\headery708\footery708\colsx708\endnhere\sectlinegrid360\sectdefaultc
l
{\*\pnseclvl1\pnucrm\pnstart1\pnindent720\pnhang{\pntxta
.}}{\*\pnseclvl2\pnucltr\pnstart1\pnindent720\pnhang{\pntxta
.}}{\*\pnseclvl3\pndec\pnstart1\pnindent720\pnhang{\pntxta
.}}{\*\pnseclvl4\pnlcltr\pnstart1\pnindent720\pnhang{\pntxta )}}{\*\pnseclvl
5
\pndec\pnstart1\pnindent720\pnhang{\pntxtb
(}{\pntxta )}}{\*\pnseclvl6\pnlcltr\pnstart1\pnindent720\pnhang{\pntxtb
(}{\pntxta )}}{\*\pnseclvl7\pnlcrm\pnstart1\pnindent720\pnhang{\pntxtb
(}{\pntxta )}}{\*\pnseclvl8\pnlcltr\pnstart1\pnindent720\pnhang
{\pntxtb
(}{\pntxta )}}{\*\pnseclvl9\pnlcrm\pnstart1\pnindent720\pnhang{\pntxtb
(}{\pntxta )}}\pard\plain \s3\ql
\li0\ri0\sb240\sa60\keepn\widctlpar\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\outlinelevel2\adj
ustright\rin0\lin0\itap0
\b\f1\fs26\lang1033\langfe1033\cgrid\langnp1033\langfenp1033 {This is a
header
\par {\listtext\pard\plain\f14\fs16 \loch\af14\dbch\af0\hich\f14
\'71\tab}}\pard\plain \ql
\fi-360\li720\ri0\widctlpar\jclisttab\tx720\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\ls1\adjus
tright\rin0\lin720\itap0
\fs24\lang1033\langfe1033\cgrid\langnp1033\langfenp1033 {list line1

\par {\listtext\pard\plain\f14\fs16 \loch\af14\dbch\af0\hich\f14
\'71\tab}list line2
\par {\listtext\pard\plain\f14\fs16 \loch\af14\dbch\af0\hich\f14
\'71\tab}etc\'85
\par }}

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From john at winhaven.net  Fri May 23 11:16:35 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 11:16:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 OutputTo HTML Formatting
In-Reply-To: <Law12-F76LhG4YalgQk0000e914@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIAELDEHAA.john@winhaven.net>

Yes, but with a decent installation program you can install the viewer with
every installation no problem. SageKey scripts have it included by default.
All you need to do is uncomment the script lines that do the job. Very easy.

JB
  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Don Elliker
  Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 10:28 AM
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Acc97 OutputTo HTML Formatting


  There is one issue with Snapshot and that is: If the client does not have
the snapshot viewer and they do not have Admin rights on their machine
(corporate users/machines often don't) it can become a problem getting it
loaded. Since it's Friday, I recomend getting yourself loaded instead - but
make sure you have the designated driver in your machine.Cheers!

  _D

  "Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them."
  >From: "Ron Allen"
  >Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Acc97 OutputTo HTML Formatting
  >Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 11:21:40 -0400
  >
  >Charlotte,
  >
  >That is a great idea that I hadn't considered. Thank you. I have a
  >meeting about this in about an hour, I'll check this out as an
  >alternative to present.
  >
  >Ron
  >
  >
  >On Fri, 23 May 2003 08:10:44 -0700
  > "Charlotte Foust" wrote:
  >>You might consider outputting to the snapshot format instead. It
  >>will
  >>capture all the graphics and layout like HTML (and unlike rtf) and
  >>all
  >>they need is the downloadable viewer to view and print the report.
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From mitsules_ms at nns.com  Fri May 23 11:35:17 2003
From: mitsules_ms at nns.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 12:35:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD]  OT: Writing raw RTF document using VB/VBA/C(++)/DE
	LPHI/...
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E2940F@nnse14.nns.com>

Shamil,

I cannot let this go by without saying "wow".  ...this list is very humbling
at times.  But, upon a second look, I suppose your situation would be
similar to someone who writes .asp code to generate an .htm formatted page.



Best of luck in your search,

Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru] 
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 11:38 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Writing raw RTF document using
VB/VBA/C(++)/DELPHI/...


Hi All,

Has anybody seen on the Internet any advanced code samples of writing raw
text of RTF documents with different formatting styles, headings, lists,
tables etc. using VB/VBA/C#/C(++)/ <literally any programming language> but
without usage of ActiveX controls, without  MS Word Automation etc. - i.e.
just plain raw code to write raw RTF like in P.S. of this message? And maybe
.PDF too? - or this latter is too much to have for free? - maybe then good
description of .PDF format in electronic form or printed as a book? Any
useful refs on that?

TIA for any info,
Shamil

<snipped>

From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Fri May 23 11:48:37 2003
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 20:48:37 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Writing raw RTF document
	usingVB/VBA/C(++)/DELPHI/...
References: <sece0c86.073@cbc.ca>
Message-ID: <000c01c3214b$291435c0$b501010a@DAISY.local>

Thanks Bryan,

This is what I needed.

> RTF Files are just plain old ascii text.
> So Low level File I/O will work to write it.
Yes, that's clear - I wanted to see some advanced code to prepare RTF files'
raw contents - and the RTF spec you referred to seems to have more than
enough info including samples...

THNX a lot!
Shamil

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Writing raw RTF document
usingVB/VBA/C(++)/DELPHI/...


> Shamil,
>
> RTF Files are just plain old ascii text. So Low level File I/O will work
to write it.
>
> The biggest challenge would be to get the text string correct before
writing them out to the file.
>
> Here is a link to the RTF spec.
>
>
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/?url=/library/en-us/dnrtfspec/html/rtfspec
.asp?frame=true
>
> As for PDF, here is the link to the PDF Specs.
>
> http://partners.adobe.com/asn/acrobat/docs.jsp#filefmtspecs
>
> Bryan Carbonnell
> bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca
>
> >>> shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru 23-May-03 11:37:38 AM >>>
> Hi All,
>
> Has anybody seen on the Internet any advanced code samples of writing raw
> text of RTF documents with different formatting styles, headings, lists,
> tables etc. using VB/VBA/C#/C(++)/ <literally any programming language>
but
> without usage of ActiveX controls, without  MS Word Automation etc. - i.e.
> just plain raw code to write raw RTF like in P.S. of this message?
> And maybe .PDF too? - or this latter is too much to have for free? - maybe
> then good description of .PDF format in electronic form or printed as a
> book? Any useful refs on that?
>
> TIA for any info,
> Shamil
>
> P.S. Raw rtf sample
>
> {\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252\uc1
>
\deff0\deflang1033\deflangfe1033{\fonttbl{\f0\froman\fcharset204\fprq2{\*\pa
> nose 02020603050405020304}Times New
> Roman;}{\f1\fswiss\fcharset204\fprq2{\*\panose
020b0604020202020204}Arial;}
> {\f2\fmodern\fcharset204\fprq1{\*\panose 02070309020205020404}Courier
> New;}{\f3\froman\fcharset2\fprq2{\*\panose
> 05050102010706020507}Symbol;}{\f14\fnil\fcharset2\fprq2{\*\panose
> 05000000000000000000}Wingdings;}
> {\f30\froman\fcharset0\fprq2 Times New
Roman;}{\f28\froman\fcharset238\fprq2
> Times New Roman CE;}{\f31\froman\fcharset161\fprq2 Times New Roman
> Greek;}{\f32\froman\fcharset162\fprq2 Times New Roman Tur;}
> {\f33\froman\fcharset177\fprq2 Times New Roman
> (Hebrew);}{\f34\froman\fcharset178\fprq2 Times New Roman
> (Arabic);}{\f35\froman\fcharset186\fprq2 Times New Roman
> Baltic;}{\f38\fswiss\fcharset0\fprq2 Arial;}{\f36\fswiss\fcharset238\fprq2
> Arial CE;}
> {\f39\fswiss\fcharset161\fprq2 Arial Greek;}{\f40\fswiss\fcharset162\fprq2
> Arial Tur;}{\f41\fswiss\fcharset177\fprq2 Arial
> (Hebrew);}{\f42\fswiss\fcharset178\fprq2 Arial
> (Arabic);}{\f43\fswiss\fcharset186\fprq2 Arial Baltic;}
> {\f46\fmodern\fcharset0\fprq1 Courier New;}{\f44\fmodern\fcharset238\fprq1
> Courier New CE;}{\f47\fmodern\fcharset161\fprq1 Courier New
> Greek;}{\f48\fmodern\fcharset162\fprq1 Courier New
> Tur;}{\f49\fmodern\fcharset177\fprq1 Courier New (Hebrew);}
> {\f50\fmodern\fcharset178\fprq1 Courier New
> (Arabic);}{\f51\fmodern\fcharset186\fprq1 Courier New
>
Baltic;}}{\colortbl;\red0\green0\blue0;\red0\green0\blue255;\red0\green255\b
> lue255;\red0\green255\blue0;\red255\green0\blue255;\red255\green0\blue0;
>
\red255\green255\blue0;\red255\green255\blue255;\red0\green0\blue128;\red0\g
>
reen128\blue128;\red0\green128\blue0;\red128\green0\blue128;\red128\green0\b
>
lue0;\red128\green128\blue0;\red128\green128\blue128;\red192\green192\blue19
> 2;}{\stylesheet{
> \ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0
> \fs24\lang1033\langfe1033\cgrid\langnp1033\langfenp1033 \snext0
> Normal;}{\s3\ql
>
\li0\ri0\sb240\sa60\keepn\widctlpar\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\
> lin0\itap0
> \b\f1\fs26\lang1033\langfe1033\cgrid\langnp1033\langfenp1033 \sbasedon0
> \snext0 heading 3;}{\*\cs10 \additive Default Paragraph
>
Font;}}{\*\listtable{\list\listtemplateid-1472272512\listhybrid{\listlevel\l
> evelnfc23\levelnfcn23\leveljc0\leveljcn0
>
\levelfollow0\levelstartat1\levelspace360\levelindent0{\leveltext\leveltempl
> ateid67698695\'01\u-3983
> ?;}{\levelnumbers;}\f14\fs16\chbrdr\brdrnone\brdrcf1
> \chshdng0\chcfpat1\chcbpat1\fbias0
> \fi-360\li720\jclisttab\tx720 }{\listlevel\levelnfc23\levelnfcn23
>
\leveljc0\leveljcn0\levelfollow0\levelstartat1\levelspace360\levelindent0{\l
>
eveltext\leveltemplateid67698691\'01o;}{\levelnumbers;}\f2\chbrdr\brdrnone\b
> rdrcf1 \chshdng0\chcfpat1\chcbpat1\fbias0
> \fi-360\li1440\jclisttab\tx1440 }{\listlevel\levelnfc23
>
\levelnfcn23\leveljc0\leveljcn0\levelfollow0\levelstartat1\levelspace360\lev
> elindent0{\leveltext\leveltemplateid67698693\'01\u-3929
> ?;}{\levelnumbers;}\f14\chbrdr\brdrnone\brdrcf1
> \chshdng0\chcfpat1\chcbpat1\fbias0 \fi-360\li2160\jclisttab\tx2160 }
>
{\listlevel\levelnfc23\levelnfcn23\leveljc0\leveljcn0\levelfollow0\levelstar
>
tat1\levelspace360\levelindent0{\leveltext\leveltemplateid67698689\'01\u-391
> 3 ?;}{\levelnumbers;}\f3\chbrdr\brdrnone\brdrcf1
> \chshdng0\chcfpat1\chcbpat1\fbias0 \fi-360\li2880
>
\jclisttab\tx2880 }{\listlevel\levelnfc23\levelnfcn23\leveljc0\leveljcn0\lev
>
elfollow0\levelstartat1\levelspace360\levelindent0{\leveltext\leveltemplatei
> d67698691\'01o;}{\levelnumbers;}\f2\chbrdr\brdrnone\brdrcf1
> \chshdng0\chcfpat1\chcbpat1\fbias0
>
\fi-360\li3600\jclisttab\tx3600 }{\listlevel\levelnfc23\levelnfcn23\leveljc0
>
\leveljcn0\levelfollow0\levelstartat1\levelspace360\levelindent0{\leveltext\
> leveltemplateid67698693\'01\u-3929
> ?;}{\levelnumbers;}\f14\chbrdr\brdrnone\brdrcf1
> \chshdng0\chcfpat1\chcbpat1\fbias0
>
\fi-360\li4320\jclisttab\tx4320 }{\listlevel\levelnfc23\levelnfcn23\leveljc0
>
\leveljcn0\levelfollow0\levelstartat1\levelspace360\levelindent0{\leveltext\
> leveltemplateid67698689\'01\u-3913 ?;}{\levelnumbers;}\f3\chbrdr
> \brdrnone\brdrcf1 \chshdng0\chcfpat1\chcbpat1\fbias0
>
\fi-360\li5040\jclisttab\tx5040 }{\listlevel\levelnfc23\levelnfcn23\leveljc0
>
\leveljcn0\levelfollow0\levelstartat1\levelspace360\levelindent0{\leveltext\
> leveltemplateid67698691\'01o;}{\levelnumbers;}\f2
> \chbrdr\brdrnone\brdrcf1 \chshdng0\chcfpat1\chcbpat1\fbias0
>
\fi-360\li5760\jclisttab\tx5760 }{\listlevel\levelnfc23\levelnfcn23\leveljc0
>
\leveljcn0\levelfollow0\levelstartat1\levelspace360\levelindent0{\leveltext\
> leveltemplateid67698693
> \'01\u-3929 ?;}{\levelnumbers;}\f14\chbrdr\brdrnone\brdrcf1
> \chshdng0\chcfpat1\chcbpat1\fbias0
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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Fri May 23 11:56:31 2003
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 20:56:31 +0400
Subject: [AccessD]  OT: Writing raw RTF document using
	VB/VBA/C(++)/DELPHI/...
References: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E2940F@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <001601c3214c$4397f890$b501010a@DAISY.local>

> I cannot let this go by without saying "wow".
Mark,

I just need to know how .rtf file is organized + define dozen of raw RTF
blocks to use as templates - nothing more - so, yes - this is a kind of
"wow" in lowercase task not "WOW" in uppercase - and without any "wow"s - is
using Word Automation for that task - just kidding :)

> Best of luck in your search,
THNX! - and I think that Bryan gave me very good link on RTF spec and
samples
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/?url=/library/en-us/dnrtfspec/html/rtfspec
.asp?frame=true

Shamil

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mitsules, Mark" <mitsules_ms at nns.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 8:35 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Writing raw RTF document using
VB/VBA/C(++)/DELPHI/...


> Shamil,
>
> I cannot let this go by without saying "wow".  ...this list is very
humbling
> at times.  But, upon a second look, I suppose your situation would be
> similar to someone who writes .asp code to generate an .htm formatted
page.
>
>
>
> Best of luck in your search,
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru]
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 11:38 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Writing raw RTF document using
> VB/VBA/C(++)/DELPHI/...
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> Has anybody seen on the Internet any advanced code samples of writing raw
> text of RTF documents with different formatting styles, headings, lists,
> tables etc. using VB/VBA/C#/C(++)/ <literally any programming language>
but
> without usage of ActiveX controls, without  MS Word Automation etc. - i.e.
> just plain raw code to write raw RTF like in P.S. of this message? And
maybe
> .PDF too? - or this latter is too much to have for free? - maybe then good
> description of .PDF format in electronic form or printed as a book? Any
> useful refs on that?
>
> TIA for any info,
> Shamil
>
> <snipped>
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri May 23 12:17:10 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 18:17:10 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Presentation of a URL
In-Reply-To: <001401c3213e$5dad6700$c100a8c0@OOPMBO>
Message-ID: <001701c3214f$254333c0$b274d0d5@andypc>

Hi Marcel
How do the URL's get in there? Keyed in or grabbed by the program?
Reason I ask is that I've seen this behaviour too, and never worked out
why. I was using code to grab the URL out of the current IE window so
wondered if it might have been that.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] 
> Sent: 23 May 2003 16:17
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Presentation of a URL
> 
> 
> Hi Charles,
> 
> I have lost about 5 kilos searching where the problem is, I 
> am not happy but my wife is...haha... :-).
> 
> I cannot find it. My final solution worked. Delete the 
> control from the form and add a new one. Problem solved but I 
> do not know why this is happened.
> 
> Gr. marcel
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of 
> Wortz, Charles
> Sent: vrijdag 23 mei 2003 16:45
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Presentation of a URL
> 
> 
> Marcel,
> 
> Everything to the left of the http: should not be there.  You 
> only want the http://www.oop.nl part to > display and be stored 
> in your table.  You will have to look through your form that 
> displays it, your table that stores it and the form that puts 
> it into the table to see where that extra stuff (very 
> technical word <grin>) is coming from.
> 
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Marcel Vreuls
> Sent: Friday 2003 May 23 09:36
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Presentation of a URL
> 
> Hi group,
> 
> I store the website of companies in our CRM package. On the 
> form the URL is being displayed as 
> www.oop.nl#http://www.oop.nl When clicking > this...oeps..no website. 
> 
> Any suggestions to adjust the display of this. The datatype 
> of the field in the database is Hyperlink.
> 
> Thank,
> 
> Marcel 
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From mitsules_ms at nns.com  Fri May 23 12:32:11 2003
From: mitsules_ms at nns.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 13:32:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Writing raw RTF document using VB/VBA/C(++)/DEL
	PHI/...
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29410@nnse14.nns.com>

Shamil,

Bryan's link points to v1.6 of the RTF spec.  But, if you're interested, I
was poking around and found a download link (watch for wrap) for v1.7.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=E5B8EBC2-6AD6-49F0-
8C90-E4F763E3F04F&displaylang=en



Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca] 
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 11:57 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Writing raw RTF document using
VB/VBA/C(++)/DELPHI/...


Shamil,

RTF Files are just plain old ascii text. So Low level File I/O will work to
write it.

The biggest challenge would be to get the text string correct before writing
them out to the file.

Here is a link to the RTF spec.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/?url=/library/en-us/dnrtfspec/html/rtfspec
.asp?frame=true

As for PDF, here is the link to the PDF Specs.

http://partners.adobe.com/asn/acrobat/docs.jsp#filefmtspecs

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

>>> shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru 23-May-03 11:37:38 AM >>>
Hi All,

Has anybody seen on the Internet any advanced code samples of writing raw
text of RTF documents with different formatting styles, headings, lists,
tables etc. using VB/VBA/C#/C(++)/ <literally any programming language> but
without usage of ActiveX controls, without  MS Word Automation etc. - i.e.
just plain raw code to write raw RTF like in P.S. of this message? And maybe
.PDF too? - or this latter is too much to have for free? - maybe then good
description of .PDF format in electronic form or printed as a book? Any
useful refs on that?

TIA for any info,
Shamil

<snipped>

From Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK  Fri May 23 12:44:32 2003
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK (Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK)
Date: 23 May 2003 18:44:32 +0100
Subject: [AccessD]  OT: Writing raw RTF document using VB/VBA/C(++)/DE
	LPHI/...
Message-ID: <200305231744.SAA11517@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

Shamil

I am emailing the address of one of our programmers who has worked in this 
sort of area. He may or may not be able to help you out,

Martin

On May 23 2003, Mitsules, Mark wrote:

> Shamil,
> 
> I cannot let this go by without saying "wow". ...this list is very 
> humbling at times. But, upon a second look, I suppose your situation 
> would be similar to someone who writes .asp code to generate an .htm 
> formatted page.
> 
> 
> 
> Best of luck in your search,
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru] 
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 11:38 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Writing raw RTF document using
> VB/VBA/C(++)/DELPHI/...
> 
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Has anybody seen on the Internet any advanced code samples of writing 
> raw text of RTF documents with different formatting styles, headings, 
> lists, tables etc. using VB/VBA/C#/C(++)/ <literally any programming 
> language> but without usage of ActiveX controls, without MS Word 
> Automation etc. - i.e. just plain raw code to write raw RTF like in P.S. 
> of this message? And maybe .PDF too? - or this latter is too much to have 
> for free? - maybe then good description of .PDF format in electronic form 
> or printed as a book? Any useful refs on that?
> 
> TIA for any info,
> Shamil
> 
> <snipped>
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> 

From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri May 23 13:03:44 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 11:03:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD]  OT: Writing raw RTF document using VB/VBA/C(++)/DE
 LPHI/...
References: <200305231744.SAA11517@hosea.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <3ECE6280.2020401@shaw.ca>

You might also poke around Stephan Lebans site as he has written a few 
RTF controls in C++
http://www.lebans.com
He also has some notes on what MS  version of Riched20.dll,  
Msftedit.dll etc. is installed with each OS


Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK wrote:

> Shamil
>
> I am emailing the address of one of our programmers who has worked in 
> this sort of area. He may or may not be able to help you out,
>
> Martin
>
> On May 23 2003, Mitsules, Mark wrote:
>
>> Shamil,
>>
>> I cannot let this go by without saying "wow". ...this list is very 
>> humbling at times. But, upon a second look, I suppose your situation 
>> would be similar to someone who writes .asp code to generate an .htm 
>> formatted page.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best of luck in your search,
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru] Sent: 
>> Friday, May 23, 2003 11:38 AM
>> To: AccessD
>> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Writing raw RTF document using
>> VB/VBA/C(++)/DELPHI/...
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Has anybody seen on the Internet any advanced code samples of writing 
>> raw text of RTF documents with different formatting styles, headings, 
>> lists, tables etc. using VB/VBA/C#/C(++)/ <literally any programming 
>> language> but without usage of ActiveX controls, without MS Word 
>> Automation etc. - i.e. just plain raw code to write raw RTF like in 
>> P.S. of this message? And maybe .PDF too? - or this latter is too 
>> much to have for free? - maybe then good description of .PDF format 
>> in electronic form or printed as a book? Any useful refs on that?
>>
>> TIA for any info,
>> Shamil
>>
>> <snipped>
>> _______________________________________________
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
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From jim.hale at fleetpride.com  Fri May 23 14:02:49 2003
From: jim.hale at fleetpride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 14:02:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
Message-ID: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF87306176A20@corp-es00>

 If I have a router with a built in firewall  and I set up a web server for
development work on my lan behind the firewall  will I be able to access the
web server sites but the outside world will not?
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 10:54 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses


Depends.

If you go the "firewall appliance" route, such as
SinocWall, you're looking at close to a thousand bucks
(the last time I checked).  If you go the "I'm taking
a PC, putting multiple network cards in it and making
a firewall out of it." you can get away for free if
you have the hardware readily available.

My firewall is a P3-700 PC with 256MB of RAM, an 8GB
hard drive and 4 network cards.  Hardware-wise this
firewall is way overkill for what I need, .  I
wouldn't recommend anything less than a P2-333 for a
firewall though if you have a DSL or cablemodem based
Internet connection.  For an OS it's running a
hardened minimilistic flavor of Red Hat Linux 8.0. 
I'm running the built-in IPTables firewall for all of
my firewalling needs.  That makes the OS and firewall
free too.

--- Jim DeMarco <Jdemarco at hshhp.org> wrote:
> Thanks Martin.  
> 
> >From what I'm gathering from this thread I should
> look into a hardware solution (that the fact that
> I'm running WinME on a P200 that's a relatively slow
> performer as is).  How costly might that be?
> 
> Jim DeMarco
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
> [mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK]
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 11:12 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> 
> 
> Jim
> 
> You run a web server at hoem your always at risk of
> hacking attempts. Put up a secent firewall.
> 
> I have IIS running on a server here but its not
> connected to the web. Dosnt matter for dev work at
> all. I connect as and when I need to. Other than 
> that I leave the server of the modems.
> 
> 
> 
> Martin
> 
> 
> On May 23 2003, Jim DeMarco wrote:
> 
> > What about running it on another machine on my
> (wireless) network that's > not directly connected
> to my DSL modem but has Internet access via that >
> connection? Is that any safer?
> > 
> > Jim DeMarco
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Frank Tanner III
> [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:29 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> > 
> > 
> > Personally, I wouldn't run ANY public accessable
> > services on my LAN.  There is a MUCH safer way to
> do
> > it, but it isn't super cheap.
> > 
> > I have a custom built firewall, which I run at
> home. 
> > The "public" side of it connects directly to my
> > Internet connection, in this case a 1Mbit VDSL
> > connection.  Then I have a "private" side, which
> > connects to my LAN, and has my strict firewall
> rules. 
> > Only what I want gets in and out.  Lastly, I have
> a
> > "DMZ".  This is where I place my publicly
> accessable
> > machines.  It is still firewalled, but not as
> > stringently as the LAN side, since the public
> needs to
> > hit it.  Even in this DMZ I only let through the
> ports
> > I absolutely need to.  Such as 80 & 443 for Web,
> 25 &
> > 110 for e-mail, etc.  My LAN is also firewalled
> from
> > my DMZ in this configuration except for what's
> > absolutely needed.
> > 
> > In this confugiration, unless I specifically open
> an
> > e-mail with a virus attached, or something silly
> like
> > that, I'm about as safe as one can get from "the
> big
> > bad Internet".  The worst that can happen is that
> > there is an exploit for one of my publicly
> accessable
> > boxes and they get compromised.  My LAN is still
> safe.
> > 
> > As a side note, my firewall, web server, and
> e-mail
> > server are all running Linix or FreeBSD.  This
> makes
> > them less succeptable to all of the more common
> > attacks that the "script kiddies" like to use. 
> About
> > 80% of the attacks and defacements on publicly
> > accessable servers are done by "script kiddies". 
> An
> > added benifit is that IIS specific exploits have
> no
> > affect other than to fill my logs, which archive
> and
> > rotate off daily.
> > 
> > Is this a bit excessive, since I don't run a
> business
> > out of my home?  Yeah, it is.  But there's no such
> > thing as too much security.
> > 
> > --- John Frederick <j.frederick at att.net> wrote:
> > > Yes, it is necessary.  When I started doing .asp
> on
> > > the same machine I used
> > > to dial-up to get email, I got, over some period
> of
> > > time, about a dozen
> > > different viruses, some of which propagated
> through
> > > my lan to other
> > > machines.  If you can't block the access from
> the
> > > net to your machines, you
> > > need to either use a firewall or disconnect the
> pws
> > > machine from the lan.
> > > 
> > > P.S.: If you put firewalls, such as Norton or
> McAfee
> > > on your machines, you
> > > can ask to be warned and have a change to say ok
> or
> > > no when a program tries
> > > to access another machine or the net.  You'll be
> > > amazed about how many
> > > Microsoft and other vendow programs do so for no
> > > reason related to your
> > > current operation in progress.  If you're not
> > > already paranoid, that will
> > > make you so.
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> > > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 8:03 AM
> > > To: AccessD (E-mail)
> > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> > > 
> > > 
> > > List,
> > > 
> > > A while back I got a DSL connection on my home
> > > office PC which I
> > > occasionally use for web development using
> Personal
> > > Web Server (Win 9x/ME
> > > version of IIS).  I was advised by our staff
> network
> > > person NOT to run PWS
> > > after the DSL was up because I'd be succeptable
> to
> > > attacks and viruses.
> > > Does anyone know if this is true?  I have not
> run
> > > PWS in a couple of months
> > > and have been using a disconnected laptop to
> write
> > > ASP code but I'm
> > > wondering if this is necessary.  Would I need to
> > > install a firewall if I
> > > want to run PWS?
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > 
> > > Jim DeMarco
> > > 
> > > 
> > >
> >  
> >  
> >
>
****************************************************************************
> > > *******
> > > "This electronic message is intended to be for
> the
> > > use only of the named
> > > recipient, and may contain information from
> Hudson
> > > Health Plan (HHP) that is
> > > confidential or privileged.  If you are not the
> > > intended recipient, you are
> > > hereby notified that any disclosure, copying,
> > > distribution or use of the
> > > contents of this message is strictly prohibited.
>  If
> > > you have received this
> > > message in error or are not the named recipient,
> 
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Fri May 23 14:29:28 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 12:29:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
In-Reply-To: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF87306176A20@corp-es00>
Message-ID: <20030523192928.17706.qmail@web13403.mail.yahoo.com>

Depends.  If your IP address will be changing, the
outside one, or you will be wanting to access it from
different locations, not likely.  Most consumer
firewalls don't have that sort of authentication
mechanism built into them.  It's sort of an
all-or-nothing solution.

Usually you will be stuck with a rule similar to :
>From WAN to LOCAL_IP forward Port_80 allow.  Something
similar to that.  Obviously that's "pseudo code". 
Your  firewall's syntax will vary.  If you will be
connecting from a non-random location with a static IP
address you can say : From WAN_IP to Local_IP forward
Port_80 allow.  Where WAN_IP would be the public IP
address of the remote location you will be connecting
from.

Alot of routers have an authentication piece in them,
but it'd for outgoing only.  That sorta thing is real
good for locking it down so your kids can't surf the
net or whatever without supervision.

--- "Hale, Jim" <jim.hale at fleetpride.com> wrote:
>  If I have a router with a built in firewall  and I
> set up a web server for
> development work on my lan behind the firewall  will
> I be able to access the
> web server sites but the outside world will not?
> Jim Hale
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Tanner III
> [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 10:54 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> 
> 
> Depends.
> 
> If you go the "firewall appliance" route, such as
> SinocWall, you're looking at close to a thousand
> bucks
> (the last time I checked).  If you go the "I'm
> taking
> a PC, putting multiple network cards in it and
> making
> a firewall out of it." you can get away for free if
> you have the hardware readily available.
> 
> My firewall is a P3-700 PC with 256MB of RAM, an 8GB
> hard drive and 4 network cards.  Hardware-wise this
> firewall is way overkill for what I need, .  I
> wouldn't recommend anything less than a P2-333 for a
> firewall though if you have a DSL or cablemodem
> based
> Internet connection.  For an OS it's running a
> hardened minimilistic flavor of Red Hat Linux 8.0. 
> I'm running the built-in IPTables firewall for all
> of
> my firewalling needs.  That makes the OS and
> firewall
> free too.
> 
> --- Jim DeMarco <Jdemarco at hshhp.org> wrote:
> > Thanks Martin.  
> > 
> > >From what I'm gathering from this thread I should
> > look into a hardware solution (that the fact that
> > I'm running WinME on a P200 that's a relatively
> slow
> > performer as is).  How costly might that be?
> > 
> > Jim DeMarco
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
> > [mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK]
> > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 11:12 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> > 
> > 
> > Jim
> > 
> > You run a web server at hoem your always at risk
> of
> > hacking attempts. Put up a secent firewall.
> > 
> > I have IIS running on a server here but its not
> > connected to the web. Dosnt matter for dev work at
> > all. I connect as and when I need to. Other than 
> > that I leave the server of the modems.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Martin
> > 
> > 
> > On May 23 2003, Jim DeMarco wrote:
> > 
> > > What about running it on another machine on my
> > (wireless) network that's > not directly connected
> > to my DSL modem but has Internet access via that >
> > connection? Is that any safer?
> > > 
> > > Jim DeMarco
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:29 AM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Personally, I wouldn't run ANY public accessable
> > > services on my LAN.  There is a MUCH safer way
> to
> > do
> > > it, but it isn't super cheap.
> > > 
> > > I have a custom built firewall, which I run at
> > home. 
> > > The "public" side of it connects directly to my
> > > Internet connection, in this case a 1Mbit VDSL
> > > connection.  Then I have a "private" side, which
> > > connects to my LAN, and has my strict firewall
> > rules. 
> > > Only what I want gets in and out.  Lastly, I
> have
> > a
> > > "DMZ".  This is where I place my publicly
> > accessable
> > > machines.  It is still firewalled, but not as
> > > stringently as the LAN side, since the public
> > needs to
> > > hit it.  Even in this DMZ I only let through the
> > ports
> > > I absolutely need to.  Such as 80 & 443 for Web,
> > 25 &
> > > 110 for e-mail, etc.  My LAN is also firewalled
> > from
> > > my DMZ in this configuration except for what's
> > > absolutely needed.
> > > 
> > > In this confugiration, unless I specifically
> open
> > an
> > > e-mail with a virus attached, or something silly
> > like
> > > that, I'm about as safe as one can get from "the
> > big
> > > bad Internet".  The worst that can happen is
> that
> > > there is an exploit for one of my publicly
> > accessable
> > > boxes and they get compromised.  My LAN is still
> > safe.
> > > 
> > > As a side note, my firewall, web server, and
> > e-mail
> > > server are all running Linix or FreeBSD.  This
> > makes
> > > them less succeptable to all of the more common
> > > attacks that the "script kiddies" like to use. 
> > About
> > > 80% of the attacks and defacements on publicly
> > > accessable servers are done by "script kiddies".
> 
> > An
> > > added benifit is that IIS specific exploits have
> > no
> > > affect other than to fill my logs, which archive
> > and
> > > rotate off daily.
> > > 
> > > Is this a bit excessive, since I don't run a
> > business
> > > out of my home?  Yeah, it is.  But there's no
> such
> > > thing as too much security.
> > > 
> > > --- John Frederick <j.frederick at att.net> wrote:
> > > > Yes, it is necessary.  When I started doing
> .asp
> > on
> > > > the same machine I used
> > > > to dial-up to get email, I got, over some
> period
> > of
> > > > time, about a dozen
> > > > different viruses, some of which propagated
> > through
> > > > my lan to other
> > > > machines.  If you can't block the access from
> > the
> > > > net to your machines, you
> > > > need to either use a firewall or disconnect
> the
> > pws
> > > > machine from the lan.
> > > > 
> > > > P.S.: If you put firewalls, such as Norton or
> > McAfee
> > > > on your machines, you
> > > > can ask to be warned and have a change to say
> ok
> > or
> > > > no when a program tries
> > > > to access another machine or the net.  You'll
> be
> > > > amazed about how many
> > > > Microsoft and other vendow programs do so for
> no
> > > > reason related to your
> > > > current operation in progress.  If you're not
> > > > already paranoid, that will
> > > > make you so.
> > > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> 
=== message truncated ===>
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Fri May 23 14:42:38 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: 23 May 2003 20:42:38 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
Message-ID: <200305231942.UAA12796@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

http://hallinternet.com/net_history_trends/188.shtml

Found this on the web. Not sure if its any use.

I have a gateway/router sitting in front of me now but havnt installed it 
yet LOL.

I am lucky, I can relay on the networks guys in work to sort all this stuff 
out for me even at home.

Martin

On May 23 2003, Frank Tanner III wrote:

> Depends.  If your IP address will be changing, the
> outside one, or you will be wanting to access it from
> different locations, not likely.  Most consumer
> firewalls don't have that sort of authentication
> mechanism built into them.  It's sort of an
> all-or-nothing solution.
> 
> Usually you will be stuck with a rule similar to :
> >From WAN to LOCAL_IP forward Port_80 allow.  Something
> similar to that.  Obviously that's "pseudo code". 
> Your  firewall's syntax will vary.  If you will be
> connecting from a non-random location with a static IP
> address you can say : From WAN_IP to Local_IP forward
> Port_80 allow.  Where WAN_IP would be the public IP
> address of the remote location you will be connecting
> from.
> 
> Alot of routers have an authentication piece in them,
> but it'd for outgoing only.  That sorta thing is real
> good for locking it down so your kids can't surf the
> net or whatever without supervision.
> 
> --- "Hale, Jim" <jim.hale at fleetpride.com> wrote:
> >  If I have a router with a built in firewall  and I
> > set up a web server for
> > development work on my lan behind the firewall  will
> > I be able to access the
> > web server sites but the outside world will not?
> > Jim Hale
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Frank Tanner III
> > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 10:54 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> > 
> > 
> > Depends.
> > 
> > If you go the "firewall appliance" route, such as
> > SinocWall, you're looking at close to a thousand
> > bucks
> > (the last time I checked).  If you go the "I'm
> > taking
> > a PC, putting multiple network cards in it and
> > making
> > a firewall out of it." you can get away for free if
> > you have the hardware readily available.
> > 
> > My firewall is a P3-700 PC with 256MB of RAM, an 8GB
> > hard drive and 4 network cards.  Hardware-wise this
> > firewall is way overkill for what I need, .  I
> > wouldn't recommend anything less than a P2-333 for a
> > firewall though if you have a DSL or cablemodem
> > based
> > Internet connection.  For an OS it's running a
> > hardened minimilistic flavor of Red Hat Linux 8.0. 
> > I'm running the built-in IPTables firewall for all
> > of
> > my firewalling needs.  That makes the OS and
> > firewall
> > free too.
> > 
> > --- Jim DeMarco <Jdemarco at hshhp.org> wrote:
> > > Thanks Martin.  
> > > 
> > > >From what I'm gathering from this thread I should
> > > look into a hardware solution (that the fact that
> > > I'm running WinME on a P200 that's a relatively
> > slow
> > > performer as is).  How costly might that be?
> > > 
> > > Jim DeMarco
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
> > > [mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK]
> > > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 11:12 AM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Jim
> > > 
> > > You run a web server at hoem your always at risk
> > of
> > > hacking attempts. Put up a secent firewall.
> > > 
> > > I have IIS running on a server here but its not
> > > connected to the web. Dosnt matter for dev work at
> > > all. I connect as and when I need to. Other than 
> > > that I leave the server of the modems.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Martin
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On May 23 2003, Jim DeMarco wrote:
> > > 
> > > > What about running it on another machine on my
> > > (wireless) network that's > not directly connected
> > > to my DSL modem but has Internet access via that >
> > > connection? Is that any safer?
> > > > 
> > > > Jim DeMarco
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:29 AM
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Personally, I wouldn't run ANY public accessable
> > > > services on my LAN.  There is a MUCH safer way
> > to
> > > do
> > > > it, but it isn't super cheap.
> > > > 
> > > > I have a custom built firewall, which I run at
> > > home. 
> > > > The "public" side of it connects directly to my
> > > > Internet connection, in this case a 1Mbit VDSL
> > > > connection.  Then I have a "private" side, which
> > > > connects to my LAN, and has my strict firewall
> > > rules. 
> > > > Only what I want gets in and out.  Lastly, I
> > have
> > > a
> > > > "DMZ".  This is where I place my publicly
> > > accessable
> > > > machines.  It is still firewalled, but not as
> > > > stringently as the LAN side, since the public
> > > needs to
> > > > hit it.  Even in this DMZ I only let through the
> > > ports
> > > > I absolutely need to.  Such as 80 & 443 for Web,
> > > 25 &
> > > > 110 for e-mail, etc.  My LAN is also firewalled
> > > from
> > > > my DMZ in this configuration except for what's
> > > > absolutely needed.
> > > > 
> > > > In this confugiration, unless I specifically
> > open
> > > an
> > > > e-mail with a virus attached, or something silly
> > > like
> > > > that, I'm about as safe as one can get from "the
> > > big
> > > > bad Internet".  The worst that can happen is
> > that
> > > > there is an exploit for one of my publicly
> > > accessable
> > > > boxes and they get compromised.  My LAN is still
> > > safe.
> > > > 
> > > > As a side note, my firewall, web server, and
> > > e-mail
> > > > server are all running Linix or FreeBSD.  This
> > > makes
> > > > them less succeptable to all of the more common
> > > > attacks that the "script kiddies" like to use. 
> > > About
> > > > 80% of the attacks and defacements on publicly
> > > > accessable servers are done by "script kiddies".
> > 
> > > An
> > > > added benifit is that IIS specific exploits have
> > > no
> > > > affect other than to fill my logs, which archive
> > > and
> > > > rotate off daily.
> > > > 
> > > > Is this a bit excessive, since I don't run a
> > > business
> > > > out of my home?  Yeah, it is.  But there's no
> > such
> > > > thing as too much security.
> > > > 
> > > > --- John Frederick <j.frederick at att.net> wrote:
> > > > > Yes, it is necessary.  When I started doing
> > .asp
> > > on
> > > > > the same machine I used
> > > > > to dial-up to get email, I got, over some
> > period
> > > of
> > > > > time, about a dozen
> > > > > different viruses, some of which propagated
> > > through
> > > > > my lan to other
> > > > > machines.  If you can't block the access from
> > > the
> > > > > net to your machines, you
> > > > > need to either use a firewall or disconnect
> > the
> > > pws
> > > > > machine from the lan.
> > > > > 
> > > > > P.S.: If you put firewalls, such as Norton or
> > > McAfee
> > > > > on your machines, you
> > > > > can ask to be warned and have a change to say
> > ok
> > > or
> > > > > no when a program tries
> > > > > to access another machine or the net.  You'll
> > be
> > > > > amazed about how many
> > > > > Microsoft and other vendow programs do so for
> > no
> > > > > reason related to your
> > > > > current operation in progress.  If you're not
> > > > > already paranoid, that will
> > > > > make you so.
> > > > > 
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > 
> === message truncated ===>
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-- 
Martin WP Reid
Analyst
Information Services
Queens University Belfast


From delliker at hotmail.com  Fri May 23 14:50:58 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 15:50:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
Message-ID: <LAW12-F99uHnMrxNYrv0000f87a@hotmail.com>

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From marcel.vreuls at oop.nl  Fri May 23 14:53:42 2003
From: marcel.vreuls at oop.nl (Marcel Vreuls)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 21:53:42 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Presentation of a URL
In-Reply-To: <001701c3214f$254333c0$b274d0d5@andypc>
Message-ID: <000001c32165$055efab0$c100a8c0@OOPMBO>

Hi Andy,

About 80% of the url I have converted from a db2 system. In the access table
they seem to be Ok. The other 20% where entered manualy through a form. So
nothing special.

I have found some weird thing which I can not always but often reproduce.
The screen where the URL is presented has a textbox which has a default
value a value of a prior (stil loaded) screen. That is where something,
sometimes is going wrong. If it is going wrong once it keeps on going wrong.
What i mean is that the url is being presented well for a random number of
times. Than suddenly the presentation goes wrong and from than it keeps on
going wrong until i drop the textbox control and put it in
again???????????????!!!!!!!!!!???????????.

I have checked, i use no code or 3rd party controls. I will keep on testing.


Gr. marcel




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: vrijdag 23 mei 2003 19:17
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Presentation of a URL


Hi Marcel
How do the URL's get in there? Keyed in or grabbed by the program?
Reason I ask is that I've seen this behaviour too, and never worked out
why. I was using code to grab the URL out of the current IE window so
wondered if it might have been that.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]
> Sent: 23 May 2003 16:17
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Presentation of a URL
>
>
> Hi Charles,
>
> I have lost about 5 kilos searching where the problem is, I
> am not happy but my wife is...haha... :-).
>
> I cannot find it. My final solution worked. Delete the
> control from the form and add a new one. Problem solved but I
> do not know why this is happened.
>
> Gr. marcel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> Wortz, Charles
> Sent: vrijdag 23 mei 2003 16:45
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Presentation of a URL
>
>
> Marcel,
>
> Everything to the left of the http: should not be there.  You
> only want the http://www.oop.nl part to > display and be stored
> in your table.  You will have to look through your form that
> displays it, your table that stores it and the form that puts
> it into the table to see where that extra stuff (very
> technical word <grin>) is coming from.
>
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Marcel Vreuls
> Sent: Friday 2003 May 23 09:36
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Presentation of a URL
>
> Hi group,
>
> I store the website of companies in our CRM package. On the
> form the URL is being displayed as
> www.oop.nl#http://www.oop.nl When clicking > this...oeps..no website.
>
> Any suggestions to adjust the display of this. The datatype
> of the field in the database is Hyperlink.
>
> Thank,
>
> Marcel
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May 23 15:42:04 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 13:42:04 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FCF@infoserver01.infostat.local>

>>Imagine if you saw this sentence 20 years ago....

ROTFL

Had IBM even come out with their LANs 20 years ago?  I remember all the
hoorah around that, never mind the "web" part of the statement.  <VBG>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 11:51 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses


Imagine if you saw this sentence 20 years ago....(those who were alive
and cognicent) 

"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." 
>From: "Hale, Jim" 
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" 
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses 
>Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 14:02:49 -0500 
> 
> If I have a router with a built in firewall and I set up a web server
for 
>development work on my lan behind the firewall will I be able to access
the 
>web server sites but the outside world will not? 
>Jim Hale 
> 




STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* 

From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May 23 15:43:21 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 13:43:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FD0@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Lucky dog!  I had to call a friend of my to get my DSL router set up
right. Thank goodness for patient friends!

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk] 
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 11:43 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses


http://hallinternet.com/net_history_trends/188.shtml

Found this on the web. Not sure if its any use.

I have a gateway/router sitting in front of me now but havnt installed
it 
yet LOL.

I am lucky, I can relay on the networks guys in work to sort all this
stuff 
out for me even at home.

Martin

On May 23 2003, Frank Tanner III wrote:

> Depends.  If your IP address will be changing, the
> outside one, or you will be wanting to access it from different 
> locations, not likely.  Most consumer firewalls don't have that sort 
> of authentication mechanism built into them.  It's sort of an
> all-or-nothing solution.
> 
> Usually you will be stuck with a rule similar to :
> >From WAN to LOCAL_IP forward Port_80 allow.  Something
> similar to that.  Obviously that's "pseudo code".
> Your  firewall's syntax will vary.  If you will be
> connecting from a non-random location with a static IP
> address you can say : From WAN_IP to Local_IP forward
> Port_80 allow.  Where WAN_IP would be the public IP
> address of the remote location you will be connecting
> from.
> 
> Alot of routers have an authentication piece in them,
> but it'd for outgoing only.  That sorta thing is real
> good for locking it down so your kids can't surf the
> net or whatever without supervision.
> 
> --- "Hale, Jim" <jim.hale at fleetpride.com> wrote:
> >  If I have a router with a built in firewall  and I
> > set up a web server for
> > development work on my lan behind the firewall  will
> > I be able to access the
> > web server sites but the outside world will not?
> > Jim Hale
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Frank Tanner III
> > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 10:54 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> > 
> > 
> > Depends.
> > 
> > If you go the "firewall appliance" route, such as SinocWall, you're 
> > looking at close to a thousand bucks
> > (the last time I checked).  If you go the "I'm
> > taking
> > a PC, putting multiple network cards in it and
> > making
> > a firewall out of it." you can get away for free if
> > you have the hardware readily available.
> > 
> > My firewall is a P3-700 PC with 256MB of RAM, an 8GB
> > hard drive and 4 network cards.  Hardware-wise this firewall is way 
> > overkill for what I need, .  I wouldn't recommend anything less than

> > a P2-333 for a firewall though if you have a DSL or cablemodem
> > based
> > Internet connection.  For an OS it's running a
> > hardened minimilistic flavor of Red Hat Linux 8.0. 
> > I'm running the built-in IPTables firewall for all
> > of
> > my firewalling needs.  That makes the OS and
> > firewall
> > free too.
> > 
> > --- Jim DeMarco <Jdemarco at hshhp.org> wrote:
> > > Thanks Martin.
> > > 
> > > >From what I'm gathering from this thread I should
> > > look into a hardware solution (that the fact that
> > > I'm running WinME on a P200 that's a relatively
> > slow
> > > performer as is).  How costly might that be?
> > > 
> > > Jim DeMarco
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK 
> > > [mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK]
> > > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 11:12 AM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Jim
> > > 
> > > You run a web server at hoem your always at risk
> > of
> > > hacking attempts. Put up a secent firewall.
> > > 
> > > I have IIS running on a server here but its not
> > > connected to the web. Dosnt matter for dev work at
> > > all. I connect as and when I need to. Other than
> > > that I leave the server of the modems.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Martin
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On May 23 2003, Jim DeMarco wrote:
> > > 
> > > > What about running it on another machine on my
> > > (wireless) network that's > not directly connected
> > > to my DSL modem but has Internet access via that > connection? Is 
> > > that any safer?
> > > > 
> > > > Jim DeMarco
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:29 AM
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Personally, I wouldn't run ANY public accessable services on my 
> > > > LAN.  There is a MUCH safer way
> > to
> > > do
> > > > it, but it isn't super cheap.
> > > > 
> > > > I have a custom built firewall, which I run at
> > > home.
> > > > The "public" side of it connects directly to my Internet 
> > > > connection, in this case a 1Mbit VDSL connection.  Then I have a

> > > > "private" side, which connects to my LAN, and has my strict 
> > > > firewall
> > > rules.
> > > > Only what I want gets in and out.  Lastly, I
> > have
> > > a
> > > > "DMZ".  This is where I place my publicly
> > > accessable
> > > > machines.  It is still firewalled, but not as stringently as the

> > > > LAN side, since the public
> > > needs to
> > > > hit it.  Even in this DMZ I only let through the
> > > ports
> > > > I absolutely need to.  Such as 80 & 443 for Web,
> > > 25 &
> > > > 110 for e-mail, etc.  My LAN is also firewalled
> > > from
> > > > my DMZ in this configuration except for what's absolutely 
> > > > needed.
> > > > 
> > > > In this confugiration, unless I specifically
> > open
> > > an
> > > > e-mail with a virus attached, or something silly
> > > like
> > > > that, I'm about as safe as one can get from "the
> > > big
> > > > bad Internet".  The worst that can happen is
> > that
> > > > there is an exploit for one of my publicly
> > > accessable
> > > > boxes and they get compromised.  My LAN is still
> > > safe.
> > > > 
> > > > As a side note, my firewall, web server, and
> > > e-mail
> > > > server are all running Linix or FreeBSD.  This
> > > makes
> > > > them less succeptable to all of the more common
> > > > attacks that the "script kiddies" like to use.
> > > About
> > > > 80% of the attacks and defacements on publicly accessable 
> > > > servers are done by "script kiddies".
> > 
> > > An
> > > > added benifit is that IIS specific exploits have
> > > no
> > > > affect other than to fill my logs, which archive
> > > and
> > > > rotate off daily.
> > > > 
> > > > Is this a bit excessive, since I don't run a
> > > business
> > > > out of my home?  Yeah, it is.  But there's no
> > such
> > > > thing as too much security.
> > > > 
> > > > --- John Frederick <j.frederick at att.net> wrote:
> > > > > Yes, it is necessary.  When I started doing
> > .asp
> > > on
> > > > > the same machine I used
> > > > > to dial-up to get email, I got, over some
> > period
> > > of
> > > > > time, about a dozen
> > > > > different viruses, some of which propagated
> > > through
> > > > > my lan to other
> > > > > machines.  If you can't block the access from
> > > the
> > > > > net to your machines, you
> > > > > need to either use a firewall or disconnect
> > the
> > > pws
> > > > > machine from the lan.
> > > > > 
> > > > > P.S.: If you put firewalls, such as Norton or
> > > McAfee
> > > > > on your machines, you
> > > > > can ask to be warned and have a change to say
> > ok
> > > or
> > > > > no when a program tries
> > > > > to access another machine or the net.  You'll
> > be
> > > > > amazed about how many
> > > > > Microsoft and other vendow programs do so for
> > no
> > > > > reason related to your
> > > > > current operation in progress.  If you're not
> > > > > already paranoid, that will
> > > > > make you so.
> > > > > 
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > 
> === message truncated ===> 
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-- 
Martin WP Reid
Analyst
Information Services
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From jim.hale at fleetpride.com  Fri May 23 16:06:52 2003
From: jim.hale at fleetpride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 16:06:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
Message-ID: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF87306176A81@corp-es00>

I did see it 20 yrs ago. If you look real hard you can find it buried  in
the Alice in Wonderland illustrations. I fully expect the following to make
perfect sense in a few short years as well. In fact I'll bet its all covered
somewhere in a .net manual already .....hmmmm <vbg>
Jim Hale

'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 3:42 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses


>>Imagine if you saw this sentence 20 years ago....

ROTFL

Had IBM even come out with their LANs 20 years ago?  I remember all the
hoorah around that, never mind the "web" part of the statement.  <VBG>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 11:51 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses


Imagine if you saw this sentence 20 years ago....(those who were alive
and cognicent) 

"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." 
>From: "Hale, Jim" 
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" 
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses 
>Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 14:02:49 -0500 
> 
> If I have a router with a built in firewall and I set up a web server
for 
>development work on my lan behind the firewall will I be able to access
the 
>web server sites but the outside world will not? 
>Jim Hale 
> 




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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat May 24 08:03:47 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 15:03:47 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Writing raw RTF document using VB/VBA/C(++)/DEL
	PHI/...
In-Reply-To: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29410@nnse14.nns.com>
References: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29410@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <5614351436.20030524150347@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil

I once located these links to a compact list of codes (not sure of the
version) and some simple code examples:

  http://thorkildsen.no/faqsys/docs/rtf.txt

  http://www.codeguru.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=233068


My simple need (which I never got solved) was how to assemble an
rtf-formatted field from many records (essentially each an rtf
document) into one rtf document, stripping headers etc. from each
record and adding a header etc. to the final document.

So if you come up with a routine for parsing an rtf string, at least
extracting the content including bold, underline, and italic
attributes, I would be pleased to see it.

Here's a link to a class in RealBasic for parsing a subset of rtf
formatted text. I guess you can download a trial version of RealBasic
to study it:

  http://www.belle-nuit.com/realbasic/rtfparser.html

In Java life is easier:

  http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.1/docs/api/javax/swing/text/rtf/RTFEditorKit.html

/gustav


> Bryan's link points to v1.6 of the RTF spec.  But, if you're interested, I
> was poking around and found a download link (watch for wrap) for v1.7.

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=E5B8EBC2-6AD6-49F0-8C90-E4F763E3F04F&displaylang=en

> Mark


> RTF Files are just plain old ascii text. So Low level File I/O will work to
> write it.

> The biggest challenge would be to get the text string correct before writing
> them out to the file.

> Here is a link to the RTF spec.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/?url=/library/en-us/dnrtfspec/html/rtfspec.asp?frame=true

> As for PDF, here is the link to the PDF Specs.

http://partners.adobe.com/asn/acrobat/docs.jsp#filefmtspecs

> Bryan Carbonnell
> bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca


From bbruen at bigpond.com  Sat May 24 08:41:24 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 23:41:24 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
In-Reply-To: <Law12-F11sTmWutxfAM0000e97d@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001c321fa$2c0595d0$5200a8c0@bbb888>

In actual fact what your eyes see is edges not "white" or "black".  The
rods and cones fire when a change in the "lightbeam" that hits those
cells occurs. Your eyes make teeny weeny little movements all the time
so you can discern the edges that occur on static visual stimulii ( eg
writing on a page). Thus the argument of seeing what is or is not there
is fallacious - you must have the edges present in the stimulii to see
anything.   For years I insisted that I preferred white on blue as the
less eye straining computer screen layout - now that my eyes have
deteriorated to the point where I cannot read anything less than 14pt
time roman without glasses I have gone back to black on white - and hate
white on blue with a passion, especially on paper.  In fact, I dislike
most web pages on principal regardless of colouring.  Come to think of
it, computers are a bloody poor idea........ fades away into the (red on
yellow) sunset home for old programmers, singing, singing "I'm a
lumberjack.........

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Don Elliker
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 1:54 AM  
To:  <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> accessd at databaseadvisors.com

Subject: Re: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples  



But what about the fact that the retina is a reflective surface and so
all perception of color whatever the scheme is refective......

_d

"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them."   

>From: MartyConnelly 
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples 
>Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 08:26:16 -0700 
> 
>I believe all raster screens use RGB additive colours, however 
>vector graphic screens(draws only a single line at a time) like the 
>old Tektronix colour graphics terminals, used subtractive CYM 
>colours. This only got messy when you were trying to add 35 mm 
>cameras to capture the screen output to slides. I used this back in 
>80's for IBM main frame 3270 colour terminals. The 35 mm terminal 
>adapter was expensive at the time around $5000. 
> 
>Drew Wutka wrote: 
> 
>>True, but just out of curiousity, does MS Access use a transmitted 
>>light 
>>scheme, or a reflective light scheme? 
>> 
>>Unless of course you are talking about printed reports, but then 
>>that is not 
>>an interface. 
>> 
>>Drew 
>> 
>>-----Original Message----- 
>>From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
>>Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 11:56 AM 
>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples 
>> 
>> 
>>Drew and Roz, 
>> 
>>In the additive color scheme, such as transmitted light, black is 
>>the 
>>absence of all colors and white is the sum of all colors. In the 
>>subtractive color scheme, such as in inks and other reflective 
>>light 
>>schemes, black is the sum of all colors and white is the absence of 
>>all 
>>colors. So you need to specify which color scheme you are using 
>>when 
>>you make blanket statements about black and white. 
>> 
>> 
>>Charles Wortz Software Development Division Texas Education Agency 
>>1701 N. Congress Ave Austin, TX 78701-1494 512-463-9493 
>>CWortz at tea.state.tx.us -----Original Message----- 
>>From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] Sent: 
>>Thursday 2003 May 22 11:39 
>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples 
>> 
>>Philosphically, you may be right. Unfortunately, my eyes aren't 
>>philosophical about it. Black, and all dark colors for that 
>>matter, 
>>have visual "weight" that overpowers white. So on a black page 
>>with 
>>white print, the background overpowers the text. At least, that's 
>>the 
>>way *my* vision works. 
>> 
>>Charlotte Foust 
>>-----Original Message----- 
>>From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 
>>2003 8:20 AM 
>>To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples 
>> 
>> 
>>That's what I thought (though I think you have your last sentence 
>>reversed...books are black on white...). White on Black is letting 
>>your 
>>eye's see what's there, not what's NOT there. (Since Black is the 
>>absence of all color, and white is the presence of all.) 
>> 
>>Drew 
>>-----Original Message----- 
>>From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
>>Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:46 AM 
>>To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples 
>> 
>> 
>>Psych studies have actually shown that the human eye differentiates 
>>light on dark more easily than dark on light and a dark background 
>>(making up, as it does, most of the screen) should cause less 
>>strain to 
>>the eyes, being less bright. 
>> 
>>However, I think that we find reading white-on-black easiest 
>>because 
>>we've all been habituated to it from reading books. 
>> 
>>Roz 
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From lists at theopg.com  Sat May 24 09:52:49 2003
From: lists at theopg.com (Mark H)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 15:52:49 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 OutputTo HTML Formatting
In-Reply-To: <web-975993@rems05.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <002c01c32204$25afd600$d6c687d9@laptop>

You can merge your data with the relevant html in VBA in pretty much the
same way as you would with active server pages and then write it to a
text file with the correct extension. I did this a couple of years ago
with a catalog and it worked just fine...

mark

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ron Allen
Sent: 23 May 2003 14:57
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 OutputTo HTML Formatting


I have a very simple report in Access97 that I need to 
export to HTML. The report exports to HTML wonderfully 
using OutputTo, and looks great, except for one thing. 
Instead of using the navigation links to move between 
pages, the people needing this report want it all on one 
long HTML page so they can also print it out in one print 
rather than printing each page.

I've looked all over to see if I could find information on 
this, and I've found nothing. I've tried various ways of 
formating the report to try to eliminate page breaks. I've 
tried modifying the template in various ways. Anyone know 
if what I'm trying to do is even possible?

Thanks,

Ron 
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sun May 25 11:02:06 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 09:02:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FC1@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <3ED0E8FE.3050909@shaw.ca>

 Here is some rough test code I used for a rough timing test of two 
different methods
of finding files ( FileSys and Dir recursion)
I found them about equal (within 1 or 2 seconds) on moderate sized 
directories
But on a full disk search (c:\) over 10 Gigs, the  time was 3 minutes 
for Dir method
(you get 3 or 4 errors thrown up as well) and 1 minute for filesys method.

-------------------------

Dim fso As New FileSystemObject
Dim fld As Folder
' need reference to scrrun.dll scripting runtime
' use FileSys object
Function searchFiles(sDir As String, sSrchString As String)
'searchFiles("c:\Documents and Settings","*.mdb")
'searchFiles("c:\Access Files","*.mdb")
   Dim nDirs As Long
   Dim nFiles As Long
   Dim lSize As Currency
   Dim startTime As Date
   Dim finishTime As Date
      nFiles = 0
      nDirs = 0
      startTime = Now()
  ' sDir = InputBox("Type the directory that you want to search for", _
  '                 "FileSystemObjects example", "C:\")
  ' sSrchString = InputBox("Type the file name that you want to search 
for", _
  '                 "FileSystemObjects example", "vb.ini")
   'MousePointer = vbHourglass
  ' Label1.Caption = "Searching " & vbCrLf & UCase(sDir) & "..."
   lSize = FindFile(sDir, sSrchString, nDirs, nFiles)
   'MousePointer = vbDefault
   Debug.Print Str(nFiles) & " files found in" & Str(nDirs) & _
          " directories", vbInformation
   Debug.Print "Total Size = " & lSize & " bytes"
    finishTime = Now()
      Debug.Print "no of seconds=" & DateDiff("s", startTime, finishTime)
End Function

Private Function FindFile(ByVal sFol As String, sFile As String, _
   nDirs As Long, nFiles As Long) As Currency
   Dim tFld As Folder, tFil As File, FileName As String
  
   On Error GoTo Catch
   Set fld = fso.GetFolder(sFol)
   FileName = Dir(fso.BuildPath(fld.path, sFile), vbNormal Or _
                  vbHidden Or vbSystem Or vbReadOnly)
   While Len(FileName) <> 0
      FindFile = FindFile + FileLen(fso.BuildPath(fld.path, _
      FileName))
      nFiles = nFiles + 1
      'List1.AddItem fso.BuildPath(fld.path, FileName)
      ' Load ListBox or Table
      FileName = Dir()  ' Get next file
      DoEvents
   Wend
 '  Label1 = "Searching " & vbCrLf & fld.path & "..."
   nDirs = nDirs + 1
   If fld.SubFolders.Count > 0 Then
      For Each tFld In fld.SubFolders
         DoEvents
         FindFile = FindFile + FindFile(tFld.path, sFile, nDirs, nFiles)
      Next
   End If
   Exit Function
Catch:  FileName = ""
       Resume Next
End Function


---------------------------------

'testfind("c:\Documents and Settings","*.mdb")
'testfind("c:\Access Files","*.mdb")
       Function testfind(SearchPath As String, FindStr As String)
' Use Dir recursion     
      Dim FileSize As Long
      Dim NumFiles As Integer, NumDirs As Integer
      Dim startTime As Date
      Dim finishTime As Date
      NumFiles = 0
      NumDirs = 0
      startTime = Now()
      FileSize = FindFiles(SearchPath, FindStr, NumFiles, NumDirs)
      Debug.Print NumFiles & " Files found in " & NumDirs + 1 & _
         " Directories"
      Debug.Print "Size of files found under " & SearchPath & " = " & _
         Format(FileSize, "#,###,###,##0") & " Bytes"
      finishTime = Now
      Debug.Print "no of seconds=" & DateDiff("s", startTime, finishTime)
      End Function

 Function FindFiles(path As String, SearchStr As String, _
       FileCount As Integer, DirCount As Integer)
      Dim FileName As String   ' Walking filename variable.
      Dim DirName As String    ' SubDirectory Name.
      Dim dirNames() As String ' Buffer for directory name entries.
      Dim nDir As Integer      ' Number of directories in this path.
      Dim i As Integer         ' For-loop counter.

      On Error GoTo sysFileERR
      If Right(path, 1) <> "\" Then path = path & "\"
      ' Search for subdirectories.
      nDir = 0
      ReDim dirNames(nDir)
      DirName = Dir(path, vbDirectory Or vbHidden Or vbArchive Or 
vbReadOnly _
                  Or vbSystem)  ' Even if hidden, and so on.
      Do While Len(DirName) > 0
         ' Ignore the current and encompassing directories.
         If (DirName <> ".") And (DirName <> "..") Then
            ' Check for directory with bitwise comparison.
            If GetAttr(path & DirName) And vbDirectory Then
               dirNames(nDir) = DirName
               DirCount = DirCount + 1
               nDir = nDir + 1
               ReDim Preserve dirNames(nDir)
               'List2.AddItem path & DirName ' Uncomment to list
            End If                           ' directories.
sysFileERRCont:
         End If
         DirName = Dir()  ' Get next subdirectory.
      Loop

      ' Search through this directory and sum file sizes.
      FileName = Dir(path & SearchStr, vbNormal Or vbHidden Or vbSystem _
      Or vbReadOnly Or vbArchive)
      While Len(FileName) <> 0
         FindFiles = FindFiles + FileLen(path & FileName)
         FileCount = FileCount + 1
         ' Load List box or table
        ' List2.AddItem path & FileName & vbTab & _
        '    FileDateTime(path & FileName)   ' Include Modified Date
         FileName = Dir()  ' Get next file.
      Wend

      ' If there are sub-directories..
      If nDir > 0 Then
         ' Recursively walk into them
         For i = 0 To nDir - 1
           FindFiles = FindFiles + FindFiles(path & dirNames(i) & "\", _
            SearchStr, FileCount, DirCount)
         Next i
      End If

AbortFunction:
     ' Debug.Print "abort function=" & DirName
     ' will pass through here on end of recursion
      Exit Function
sysFileERR:
       Debug.Print "Unexpected Error=" & Err.Number & "name=" & FileName 
& "-" & DirName & Right(DirName, 4)
      If Right(DirName, 4) = ".sys" Then
        Debug.Print "pagefile.sys"
        Resume sysFileERRCont ' Known issue with pagefile.sys
       
      Else
        MsgBox "Error: " & Err.Number & " - " & Err.Description, , _
         "Unexpected Error" & FileName & "-" & DirName
         Debug.Print "resume"
        Resume AbortFunction
      End If
      End Function


From AdamCogan at ssw.com.au  Sun May 25 21:42:36 2003
From: AdamCogan at ssw.com.au (Adam Cogan www.ssw.com.au)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 12:42:36 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Outlook 2003 Spam Filter catches the below message
Message-ID: <C49EEA8FB6A21446AF969EE0A4AAFFFC86DA86@wolf.sydney.ssw.com.au>

I am guessing it is this.

 

Any way of removing it?

 

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>Click Here:  <http://azjmp.com/az/ch.php?f=176&i=657&sub=webmail> http://azjmp.com/az/ch.php?f=176&i=657&sub=webmail

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 22 May 2003 12:09 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com

 

I was pretty sure that it does, but I can't seem to remember/find how.

I need something like this

 

Edit tblTableName

 

Select *

 

Replace "Mash*" with "Masha"

 

 

 

 

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From artful at rogers.com  Mon May 26 08:31:26 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 09:31:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Snapshot Viewer question
Message-ID: <017701c3238b$1b6a8d60$8e01a8c0@Rock>

How do you save a report as a snapshot programmatically? I think I've done
it years ago but can't remember how.

TIA,
Arthur


From artful at rogers.com  Mon May 26 08:42:23 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 09:42:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Snapshot question continued
Message-ID: <017801c3238c$a30010f0$8e01a8c0@Rock>

I clicked Send too quickly. My second question is, can I save a report to a
snapshot without previewing it? I just want to create the SNP file and
attach it to an email. Since there could be 100 reports going out at once, I
certainly don't want to force the user to preview and close each one in
turn!

TIA,
Arthur


From Subscriptions at servicexp.com  Mon May 26 08:48:32 2003
From: Subscriptions at servicexp.com (Robert Gracie)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 09:48:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Snapshot question continued
In-Reply-To: <017801c3238c$a30010f0$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFEEEJDAAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>

Try something like this..


Sub PublishOPObject(intObjectType As Integer, strObjectName As String, _
 Optional intFormat As String, _
 Optional strOutputFile As String, _
 Optional bolAutoStart As Boolean = False, _
 Optional strTemplateFile As String)

'Object Type Constants
  'acOutputDataAccessPage
  'acOutputForm
  'acOutputModule
  'acOutputQuery
  'acOutputReport
  'acOutputServerView
  'acOutputStoredProcedure
  'acOutputTable
'Output format Constants
  'acFormatASP
  'acFormatDAP
  'acFormatHTML
  'acFormatIIS
  'acFormatRTF
  'acFormatSNP
  'acFormatTXT
  'acFormatXLS


On Error GoTo HandleErr
    DoCmd.Hourglass True

    If strTemplateFile = "" Then
        DoCmd.OutputTo _
            ObjectType:=intObjectType, _
            ObjectName:=strObjectName, _
            OutputFormat:=intFormat, _
            OutputFile:=strOutputFile, _
            AutoStart:=bolAutoStart 'Preview Report
    Else
        DoCmd.OutputTo _
            ObjectType:=intObjectType, _
            ObjectName:=strObjectName, _
            OutputFormat:=intFormat, _
            OutputFile:=strOutputFile, _
            AutoStart:=bolAutoStart, _ 'Preview Report
            TemplateFile:=strTemplateFile
    End If

    DoCmd.Hourglass False

    MsgBox strObjectName & _
     " was successfully published to the " & _
     strOutputFile & " file.", _
     vbInformation + vbOKOnly, "PublishObject Sub"
ExitHere:

    Exit Sub

' Error handling block added by Error Handler Add-In. DO NOT EDIT this block
of code.
' Automatic error handler last updated at 11-30-2002 12:02:35
'ErrorHandler:$$D=11-30-2002    'ErrorHandler:$$T=12:02:35
HandleErr:
    Select Case Err.Number
        Case Else
            MsgBox "Error " & Err.Number & ": " & Err.Description,
vbCritical, "basPublish.PublishOPObject"
'ErrorHandler:$$N=basPublish.PublishOPObject
            'Log Error
            Call ErrorRecordSystem(Err.Number, Err.Description, Now,
"Un-Expected Error In Proc; " & "basPublish.PublishOPObject", CurrentUser)
'ErrorHandler:$$N=basPublish.PublishOPObject
            DoCmd.Hourglass False
            Resume ExitHere:
    End Select
' End Error handling block.
End Sub



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 9:42 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Snapshot question continued


I clicked Send too quickly. My second question is, can I save a report to a
snapshot without previewing it? I just want to create the SNP file and
attach it to an email. Since there could be 100 reports going out at once, I
certainly don't want to force the user to preview and close each one in
turn!

TIA,
Arthur

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From bbruen at bigpond.com  Mon May 26 08:53:48 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 23:53:48 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Snapshot Viewer question
In-Reply-To: <017701c3238b$1b6a8d60$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <000301c3238e$3c4e2bb0$5900a8c0@bbb888>

Arthur,

Following is from my code library - don't know the source - apologies to
the author.

Bruce

The following example outputs a snapshot file to disk or embedded in a
mail message depending on the value supplied in the intOutputTO
argument. There are two global constants defined in the declarations
section of the module that are used to specify the type of output
desired. If the intOutputTO argument contains the constant
conSaveSnapshotToDisk, then the file is saved using the location and
file name supplied in the strPath argument. If the intOutputTO argument
contains the constant conSaveSnapshotToMail, then the file is embedded
in a mail message addressed to the name supplied in the strRecipName
argument. The strName argument is the name of a Report object in the
current database. The strPath argument is the full path and file name
representing the snapshot file to be saved to disk.

Const conSaveSnapshotToDisk As Integer = 1
Const conSaveSnapshotToMail As Integer = 2

Sub OutputSnapshotFile(intOutputTO As Integer, _
    strName As String, Optional strPath As String, _
    Optional strRecipName As String)

    Dim strOutputFormat As String
    DoCmd.Hourglass True
    strOutputFormat = "Snapshot Format"

    Select Case intOutputTO
        Case conSaveSnapshotToDisk
            If Len(strPath) > 0 Then
                DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, _
                    strName, strOutputFormat, strPath
            Else
                DoCmd.Hourglass False
                Exit Sub
            End If
        Case conSaveSnapshotToMail
            If Len(strRecipName) > 0 Then
                DoCmd.SendObject acSendReport, _
                    strName, strOutputFormat, strRecipName
            Else
                DoCmd.Hourglass False
                Exit Sub
            End If
        Case Else
    End Select
    DoCmd.Hourglass False
End Sub

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 11:31 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Snapshot Viewer question


How do you save a report as a snapshot programmatically? I think I've
done it years ago but can't remember how.

TIA,
Arthur

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From artful at rogers.com  Mon May 26 08:54:25 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 09:54:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Listbox question
Message-ID: <017a01c3238e$522599f0$8e01a8c0@Rock>

How do you programmatically select all items in a listbox?

TIA,
Arthur


From papparuff at attbi.com  Mon May 26 08:54:53 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 06:54:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Snapshot question continued
In-Reply-To: <017801c3238c$a30010f0$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <000301c3238e$623b5690$6401a8c0@papparuff>

This should work for you

    DoCmd.OutputTo _
            ObjectType:=acOutputReport, _
            ObjectName:="rptMyReport", _
            OutputFormat:=acFormatSNP, _
            OutputFile:="c:\myreport.snp"

John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
Always Looking For Contract Opportunities

Home: 253.588.2139
Cell: 253.307.2947
9306 Farwest Dr SW
Lakewood, WA 98498

"Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
                and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 6:42 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Snapshot question continued


I clicked Send too quickly. My second question is, can I save a report
to a snapshot without previewing it? I just want to create the SNP file
and attach it to an email. Since there could be 100 reports going out at
once, I certainly don't want to force the user to preview and close each
one in turn!

TIA,
Arthur

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http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From papparuff at attbi.com  Mon May 26 08:58:45 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 06:58:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Listbox question
In-Reply-To: <017a01c3238e$522599f0$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <000401c3238e$ecec1950$6401a8c0@papparuff>


    Dim varItm As Variant
    
    If lstDealer.ListCount - 1 = 0 Then
        MsgBox "There are no Dealers on the List"
    Else
 
        For varItm = 0 To lstDealer.ListCount - 1
            lstDealer.Selected(varItm) = False
        Next varItm
    End If


John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
Always Looking For Contract Opportunities

Home: 253.588.2139
Cell: 253.307.2947
9306 Farwest Dr SW
Lakewood, WA 98498

"Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
                and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 6:54 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Listbox question


How do you programmatically select all items in a listbox?

TIA,
Arthur

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From papparuff at attbi.com  Mon May 26 09:02:18 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 07:02:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Listbox question -OOPs
In-Reply-To: <017a01c3238e$522599f0$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <000501c3238f$6b78f310$6401a8c0@papparuff>

I gave you the code for de-selecting.  Here's the code for selecting

    Dim varItm As Variant
    
    If lstDealer.ListCount - 1 = 0 Then
        MsgBox "There are no Dealers on the List"
    Else
 
        For varItm = 0 To lstDealer.ListCount - 1
            lstDealer.Selected(varItm) = True
        Next varItm
    End If

John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
Always Looking For Contract Opportunities

Home: 253.588.2139
Cell: 253.307.2947
9306 Farwest Dr SW
Lakewood, WA 98498

"Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
                and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 6:54 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Listbox question


How do you programmatically select all items in a listbox?

TIA,
Arthur

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From bbruen at bigpond.com  Mon May 26 09:09:41 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 00:09:41 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Listbox question
In-Reply-To: <017a01c3238e$522599f0$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <000401c32390$73d30d60$5900a8c0@bbb888>

Dim x As Integer
    With Me.List0
        For x = 1 To .ListCount
            .Selected(x - 1) = True
        Next x
    End With

Wassa mattta Art - gotta work for a change? :-)

Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 11:54 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Listbox question


How do you programmatically select all items in a listbox?

TIA,
Arthur

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From artful at rogers.com  Mon May 26 09:49:40 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 10:49:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Listbox question
In-Reply-To: <000401c32390$73d30d60$5900a8c0@bbb888>
Message-ID: <017f01c32396$0a059370$8e01a8c0@Rock>

Love this list! A dozen solutions in a few minutes! Makes me look like I
know what I'm doing :-) My rates are high because I'm an army of coders....

Thanks, all.
Arthur


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
Sent: May 26, 2003 10:10 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Listbox question


Dim x As Integer
    With Me.List0
        For x = 1 To .ListCount
            .Selected(x - 1) = True
        Next x
    End With

Wassa mattta Art - gotta work for a change? :-)

Bruce


From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Mon May 26 09:56:47 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 16:56:47 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Listbox question
References: <017f01c32396$0a059370$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <086401c32397$0db3d8f0$0300a8c0@S856>

love to hear that :)

Lembit Soobik

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 4:49 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Listbox question


> Love this list! A dozen solutions in a few minutes! Makes me look like I
> know what I'm doing :-) My rates are high because I'm an army of coders....
> 
> Thanks, all.
> Arthur
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
> Sent: May 26, 2003 10:10 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Listbox question
> 
> 
> Dim x As Integer
>     With Me.List0
>         For x = 1 To .ListCount
>             .Selected(x - 1) = True
>         Next x
>     End With
> 
> Wassa mattta Art - gotta work for a change? :-)
> 
> Bruce
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


From artful at rogers.com  Mon May 26 09:58:05 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 10:58:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Snapshot question continued
In-Reply-To: <000301c3238e$623b5690$6401a8c0@papparuff>
Message-ID: <018001c32397$365d3da0$8e01a8c0@Rock>

How do you pass a WhereCondition into your nicely concise code?

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Ruff
Sent: May 26, 2003 9:55 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Snapshot question continued


This should work for you

    DoCmd.OutputTo _
            ObjectType:=acOutputReport, _
            ObjectName:="rptMyReport", _
            OutputFormat:=acFormatSNP, _
            OutputFile:="c:\myreport.snp"



From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon May 26 10:31:19 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 17:31:19 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Listbox question
In-Reply-To: <017f01c32396$0a059370$8e01a8c0@Rock>
References: <017f01c32396$0a059370$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <10120206855.20030526173119@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

> Love this list! A dozen solutions in a few minutes! Makes me look like I
> know what I'm doing :-) My rates are high because I'm an army of coders....

Hey, they all forgot to watch for the property ColumnHeads which adds
one to ListCount and removes ListIndex 0 from your list of usable list
values.

I use Abs(lst.ColumnHeads) to compensate for this like:

   With Me.List0
     For x = Abs(.ColumnHeads) To .ListCount - 1
       .Selected(x) = True
     Next x
   End With

Yes, I know you "never" use column heads ...

/gustav


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
> Sent: May 26, 2003 10:10 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Listbox question

> Dim x As Integer
>     With Me.List0
>         For x = 1 To .ListCount
>             .Selected(x - 1) = True
>         Next x
>     End With


From artful at rogers.com  Mon May 26 10:53:04 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 11:53:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Listbox question
In-Reply-To: <10120206855.20030526173119@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <018e01c3239e$e5076d60$8e01a8c0@Rock>

Actually I frequently do use column heads, although in this particular case
I'm not. Thanks for the heads-up!

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: May 26, 2003 11:31 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Listbox question


Hi Arthur

Hey, they all forgot to watch for the property ColumnHeads which adds one to
ListCount and removes ListIndex 0 from your list of usable list values.



From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon May 26 11:15:27 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 18:15:27 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] SAP Partnership Agreement with MySQL
Message-ID: <13922855093.20030526181527@cactus.dk>

Hi all

This has just been announced.
Choose the link at "Letter":

Letter to SAP DB Customers regarding Partnership
Agreement with MySQL
(May 26, 2003)

/gustav


From papparuff at attbi.com  Mon May 26 11:15:49 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 09:15:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Snapshot question continued
In-Reply-To: <018001c32397$365d3da0$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <000001c323a2$127d6df0$6401a8c0@papparuff>

You can't.  You must use the report's recordsource to filter the records
to print. The recordsource needs to be a query and the records in the
query that you want to select from must come from those selected on the
form.  So your SQL statement in the query might look something like
this:

SELECT * FROM tblOrders _
	WHERE OrderDate >= Forms!frmMyForm!FromDate _
	and OrderDate <= Forms!frmMyForm!ThruDate


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Always Looking For Contract Opportunities

Home: 253.588.2139
Cell: 253.307.2947
9306 Farwest Dr SW
Lakewood, WA 98498

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                and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 7:58 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Snapshot question continued


How do you pass a WhereCondition into your nicely concise code?

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Ruff
Sent: May 26, 2003 9:55 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Snapshot question continued


This should work for you

    DoCmd.OutputTo _
            ObjectType:=acOutputReport, _
            ObjectName:="rptMyReport", _
            OutputFormat:=acFormatSNP, _
            OutputFile:="c:\myreport.snp"


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon May 26 11:18:56 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 18:18:56 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] SAP Partnership Agreement with MySQL
In-Reply-To: <13922855093.20030526181527@cactus.dk>
References: <13922855093.20030526181527@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <7323063333.20030526181856@cactus.dk>

Oops, forgot the URL:

  http://www.sapdb.org/

/gustav

---

From: Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Date: Monday, May 26, 2003, 6:15:27 PM
Subject: SAP Partnership Agreement with MySQL

Hi all

This has just been announced.
Choose the link at "Letter":

Letter to SAP DB Customers regarding Partnership
Agreement with MySQL
(May 26, 2003)


From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Mon May 26 12:45:55 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: 26 May 2003 18:45:55 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT Outlook
Message-ID: <200305261745.SAA09635@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

Got this question today. Any help appreciated.

Where more than one staff member uses Outlook on a PC it is possible
to see the contents of their colleague's inbox even if that account is
password protected. Again I suspect MS Exchange would get round this.

Martin

From skirlic at tbmc.com  Mon May 26 12:59:36 2003
From: skirlic at tbmc.com (Sead Kirlic)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 12:59:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] COMBO BOX
Message-ID: <000001c323b0$94f11670$1400a8c0@skirlicwork>

Hi everybody,

How can I get my Combo Box, which looks up for the values in the table
"tblJobs" (Job ID, Job # and Current Job - Yes/No) to display only current
jobs?

 

S. Kirlic

 

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From papparuff at attbi.com  Mon May 26 13:02:20 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 11:02:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] COMBO BOX
In-Reply-To: <000001c323b0$94f11670$1400a8c0@skirlicwork>
Message-ID: <000b01c323b0$f415ee00$6401a8c0@papparuff>

Select [Job ID], [Job #] FROM tblJobs WHERE [Current Job]=True
 
 
 

John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-) 
Always Looking For Contract Opportunities 

Home: 253.588.2139 
Cell: 253.307.2947 
9306 Farwest Dr SW 
Lakewood, WA 98498 

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                and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Sead Kirlic
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 11:00 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] COMBO BOX



Hi everybody,

How can I get my Combo Box, which looks up for the values in the table
"tblJobs" (Job ID, Job # and Current Job - Yes/No) to display only
current jobs?

 

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From sgoodhall at comcast.net  Mon May 26 13:05:04 2003
From: sgoodhall at comcast.net (Steve Goodhall)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 14:05:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 OutputTo HTML Formatting
In-Reply-To: <web-976228@rems05.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <GGEJLPBDCMFILPFNBMLPMEJPCJAA.sgoodhall@comcast.net>

Another option is to first export to RTF, then open the RTF file in M$Word
and store as HTML.  This will give you a single HTML file containing the
entire report.  If you do OLE automation, you can do all of it under program
control.

Regards,

Steve Goodhall


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Allen
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 10:31 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Acc97 OutputTo HTML Formatting


Thanks Charles. I agree, .rtf is probably a better option
for what they're wanting to do. I'm going to press again
for a move to .rtf. Otherwise, I'll write a program to
modify the HTML files directly.

Ron

On Fri, 23 May 2003 09:10:49 -0500
  "Wortz, Charles" <CWortz at tea.state.tx.us> wrote:
>Ron,
>
>If you want it as one big file instead of a file per
>page, then export
>it as RTF instead of HTML.  If RTF is not an option for
>you, then my
>next suggestion is to use an HTML editor to paste the
>files back
>together as one.  And if that is not an option either,
>then you can do
>it by hand.  The HTML code is easy to modify.
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From sgoodhall at comcast.net  Mon May 26 13:05:05 2003
From: sgoodhall at comcast.net (Steve Goodhall)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 14:05:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT Outlook
In-Reply-To: <200305261745.SAA09635@hosea.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <GGEJLPBDCMFILPFNBMLPOEJPCJAA.sgoodhall@comcast.net>

I am replying without testing this, so some of the details may need
tweaking.  To protect mailboxes:

1. Run a Windows version that supports file level permissions (2000 or XP
using NTFS)
2. Give each user a separate login.
3. Use security policies to lock up each users OST, PST and PAB.

You may wish to lock up each users entire My Documents and Application Data
directories.

Regards,

Steve Goodhall

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 1:46 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT Outlook


Got this question today. Any help appreciated.

Where more than one staff member uses Outlook on a PC it is possible
to see the contents of their colleague's inbox even if that account is
password protected. Again I suspect MS Exchange would get round this.

Martin
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From skirlic at tbmc.com  Mon May 26 13:22:48 2003
From: skirlic at tbmc.com (Sead Kirlic)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 13:22:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Combo Box
Message-ID: <000801c323b3$d32a0390$1400a8c0@skirlicwork>

Hi everybody,

How can I get my Combo Box, which looks up for the values in the table
"tblJobs" (Job ID, Job # and Current Job - Yes/No) to display only current
jobs?

 

S. Kirlic

 

 

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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Mon May 26 18:27:18 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 09:27:18 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Basic Design Question
Message-ID: <013a01c323de$597f6960$3c619a89@DDICK>

Hello all
 I have a continuous form that has varying recordsets.
Pretty much the same data but with things like...
Show for a Date or a Date Range Show for Completed/ Not Completed
Show for Future/Past/Next week etc etc. All held in tblReminders

I have a set of options all held in tblOptions.
I want the settings kept in the options table to be presented to the user in the
footer of the continuous form. But I can't get the 2 together because they have
no matching record. I can't put the options in a sub form because you can't have 
a sub form in a continuous form.
I though about a union query but that means I would have to manage all the 
current RecordSet setting in pure SQL  - I'm not good enough for that.

Anyway how do you guys handle these situations?

Many thanks in advance

Darren



From harkins at iglou.com  Mon May 26 18:40:08 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 19:40:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Basic Design Question
References: <013a01c323de$597f6960$3c619a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <003401c323e0$26a04530$9ae6ffcc@SusanOne>

You're specifying these options for each record in the continuous form?  If
that's the case, why not just base the form on a multi-table query? I
probably don't understand the question. :)

Susan H.


> Hello all
>  I have a continuous form that has varying recordsets.
> Pretty much the same data but with things like...
> Show for a Date or a Date Range Show for Completed/ Not Completed
> Show for Future/Past/Next week etc etc. All held in tblReminders
>
> I have a set of options all held in tblOptions.
> I want the settings kept in the options table to be presented to the user
in the
> footer of the continuous form. But I can't get the 2 together because they
have
> no matching record. I can't put the options in a sub form because you
can't have
> a sub form in a continuous form.
> I though about a union query but that means I would have to manage all the
> current RecordSet setting in pure SQL  - I'm not good enough for that.
>
> Anyway how do you guys handle these situations?
>
> Many thanks in advance
>
> Darren
>
>
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>


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon May 26 18:41:25 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 19:41:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Basic Design Question
In-Reply-To: <013a01c323de$597f6960$3c619a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEBLDOAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

How much info in this option table?  Can it go in a combo or list control?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 7:27 PM
To: AccessD List
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Basic Design Question


Hello all
 I have a continuous form that has varying recordsets.
Pretty much the same data but with things like...
Show for a Date or a Date Range Show for Completed/ Not Completed
Show for Future/Past/Next week etc etc. All held in tblReminders

I have a set of options all held in tblOptions.
I want the settings kept in the options table to be presented to the user in
the
footer of the continuous form. But I can't get the 2 together because they
have
no matching record. I can't put the options in a sub form because you can't
have
a sub form in a continuous form.
I though about a union query but that means I would have to manage all the
current RecordSet setting in pure SQL  - I'm not good enough for that.

Anyway how do you guys handle these situations?

Many thanks in advance

Darren


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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Mon May 26 19:03:13 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 10:03:13 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Basic Design Question
References: <013a01c323de$597f6960$3c619a89@DDICK>
	<003401c323e0$26a04530$9ae6ffcc@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <016801c323e3$5d96ad10$3c619a89@DDICK>

Hi Susan
Thanks for the reply
tblReminders has hundreds of records in it with about 7 or 8 fields.
tblOptions will only ever have 1 record in it with about 5 or 6 fields.

Nothing in tblOptions relates to anything in tbleReminders.
tblReminders has date, time, YesNo flags and text fields that hold info about appointments.

tblOptions has similar fields but hold local settings info eg how long a timer interval is
the path for various logos, paths for sound files etc. There will only ever be one record in this
table

Thanks again

Darren




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Harkins" <harkins at iglou.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K: Basic Design Question


> You're specifying these options for each record in the continuous form?  If
> that's the case, why not just base the form on a multi-table query? I
> probably don't understand the question. :)
> 
> Susan H.
> 
> 
> > Hello all
> >  I have a continuous form that has varying recordsets.
> > Pretty much the same data but with things like...
> > Show for a Date or a Date Range Show for Completed/ Not Completed
> > Show for Future/Past/Next week etc etc. All held in tblReminders
> >
> > I have a set of options all held in tblOptions.
> > I want the settings kept in the options table to be presented to the user
> in the
> > footer of the continuous form. But I can't get the 2 together because they
> have
> > no matching record. I can't put the options in a sub form because you
> can't have
> > a sub form in a continuous form.
> > I though about a union query but that means I would have to manage all the
> > current RecordSet setting in pure SQL  - I'm not good enough for that.
> >
> > Anyway how do you guys handle these situations?
> >
> > Many thanks in advance
> >
> > Darren
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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From doug at murphyscreativity.com  Mon May 26 20:01:31 2003
From: doug at murphyscreativity.com (Doug Murphy)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 18:01:31 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] HyperLinks
In-Reply-To: <016801c323e3$5d96ad10$3c619a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <000501c323eb$834c0570$8500a8c0@CX615377a>

Hello List,

I have a question on the use of hyperlinks to point to files.  I have a
database that exists in a directory; C:\My Files\DBdirectory for
example.  In this directory there is a subdirectory holding files.  The
database has a table with a hyperlink field in it that contains the
relative path to a file in the subdirectory.  In other words the path to
a file might be subdirectory\filename.  

It is my understanding that the hyperlink should contain the full path
to a file such as C:\My Files\DBdirectory\subdirectory\File name.  The
interesting thing is if I double click on the hyperlink the file will
open even though the hyperlink holds only the path relative to the
database.  Is this the way it is supposed to work or is this a feature
of hyperlinks in being able to resolve relative paths?

The reason I ask is that I am trying to extract the path to the file
from the hyperlink and do a file copy.  This doesn't work with the
relative path as you would expect.  If there is more info in the
hyperlink than I am extracting that would give the full path how do I
get to it?

Thanks.

Doug








From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon May 26 19:51:29 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 17:51:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] HyperLinks
In-Reply-To: <000501c323eb$834c0570$8500a8c0@CX615377a>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFGENJCIAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Doug:

There are kind of links, the relative or virtual link, that is the kind you
have in your database and absolute links. A relative link only works from a
known position, in this case your DB is in a known position (it knows where
it is in the relative scheme of things.) When you select a hyper-link within
the database it checks it and then prefixes the hyper-link with it's
location to create the full link.

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 6:02 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] HyperLinks


Hello List,

I have a question on the use of hyperlinks to point to files.  I have a
database that exists in a directory; C:\My Files\DBdirectory for
example.  In this directory there is a subdirectory holding files.  The
database has a table with a hyperlink field in it that contains the
relative path to a file in the subdirectory.  In other words the path to
a file might be subdirectory\filename.

It is my understanding that the hyperlink should contain the full path
to a file such as C:\My Files\DBdirectory\subdirectory\File name.  The
interesting thing is if I double click on the hyperlink the file will
open even though the hyperlink holds only the path relative to the
database.  Is this the way it is supposed to work or is this a feature
of hyperlinks in being able to resolve relative paths?

The reason I ask is that I am trying to extract the path to the file
from the hyperlink and do a file copy.  This doesn't work with the
relative path as you would expect.  If there is more info in the
hyperlink than I am extracting that would give the full path how do I
get to it?

Thanks.

Doug







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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon May 26 20:27:37 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 11:27:37 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Basic Design Question
In-Reply-To: <016801c323e3$5d96ad10$3c619a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <3ED34BA9.23144.9BF3F8@localhost>

On 27 May 2003 at 10:03, Darren DICK wrote:

> Hi Susan
> Thanks for the reply
> tblReminders has hundreds of records in it with about 7 or 8 fields.
> tblOptions will only ever have 1 record in it with about 5 or 6
> fields.
> 
> Nothing in tblOptions relates to anything in tbleReminders.
> tblReminders has date, time, YesNo flags and text fields that hold
> info about appointments.
> 
> tblOptions has similar fields but hold local settings info eg how long
> a timer interval is the path for various logos, paths for sound files
> etc. There will only ever be one record in this table
> 

Create a subform based on tblOptions and put that in the footer of 
the form based on tblReminders

.


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Support.




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon May 26 20:29:21 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 11:29:21 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Basic Design Question
In-Reply-To: <013a01c323de$597f6960$3c619a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <3ED34C11.11501.9D8A92@localhost>

On 27 May 2003 at 9:27, Darren DICK wrote:

> Hello all
>  I have a continuous form that has varying recordsets.
> Pretty much the same data but with things like...
> Show for a Date or a Date Range Show for Completed/ Not Completed Show
> for Future/Past/Next week etc etc. All held in tblReminders
> 
> I have a set of options all held in tblOptions.
> I want the settings kept in the options table to be presented to the
> user in the footer of the continuous form. But I can't get the 2
> together because they have no matching record. 

Just don't specify Link fields leave them blank.

>I can't put the options
> in a sub form because you can't have a sub form in a continuous form.

You can in the footer.



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Support.




From selina at easydatabases.com.au  Mon May 26 21:51:43 2003
From: selina at easydatabases.com.au (Selina Iddon)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 12:51:43 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Calendar/Diary form/report
References: <3ED34C11.11501.9D8A92@localhost>
Message-ID: <005a01c323fa$e87a2120$6465000a@venus>

Hi Everyone

I have a client who wants to have a diary like Outlook build into their
access database so the personnell can be listed across the top (a column for
each) and the times down the left, showing one date at a time.  Does anyone
know of any great add-ons that could help me out here?

Thanks
Selina



From bbruen at bigpond.com  Mon May 26 21:47:23 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 12:47:23 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Change both subform sourceobject and recordsource
Message-ID: <000001c323fa$4d4d65e0$ca00a8c0@bbb888>

Dear List,

I have a form that contains a changeable subform.  That is, the source
object of the subform is set on the fly by an option group button on the
main form. This works fine, the correct subform pops up as required.

Now I have a situation where one of the subforms (it's a generic list)
could be re-used for different record sources.  That is sometimes it
should list tblA, sometimes tblB, again dependent on which button the
user clicks.  The record sources are completely different, I cant use
filters.

My problem is how do I get the for to know which record source to use?
Normally, I would use an openargs value to achieve this, but as I'm
"opening" the form using a source object switch.

Some code may illustrate

Private Sub grpMain_Click()
    Select Case Me.grpMain
        Case 1: Me.subMain.SourceObject = "frmLoadLog"
        Case 2: Me.subMain.SourceObject = "frmReviewLoad"
        Case 3: Me.subMain.SourceObject = "frmActive1"
        Case 4: Me.subMain.SourceObject = "frmActive1"
        Case 9: DoCmd.Close
    End Select
End Sub

My problem is with case 4.  This is the subform I want to reuse.  
My mind has gone completely blank on this (some would say "small
change"). I just cannot see how I can send frmActive1 some sort of
indicator to change its record source from tblA to tblB.

Any thoughts?

Bruce


From bbruen at bigpond.com  Mon May 26 21:52:58 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 12:52:58 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Hyperlink screen scraping
Message-ID: <000101c323fb$15100240$ca00a8c0@bbb888>

Dear List,

I am sure we have covered this before (Seth?) but I cannot find anything
in the archives (probably cant set a good keyword).

The database has a text field containing a hyperlink.  When the user
clicks a command button on a form showing the address I want to download
the hyperlink document and save the contents of the page in a memo field
for later scraping and processing.

How is this done? Follow and FollowHyperlink just open IE.  Is there
something I am missing (apart from that!)


Tia
Bruce


From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Mon May 26 22:14:19 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 23:14:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Change both subform sourceobject and recordsource
References: <000001c323fa$4d4d65e0$ca00a8c0@bbb888>
Message-ID: <00f301c323fe$11534100$6401a8c0@default>

Hi Bruce,

Unless someone knows better ...
It looks like you'd have to open the source object
in design view (hidden) and set it's recordsource,
save it, and then open it in the main form.

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bruce Bruen" <bbruen at bigpond.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 10:47 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Change both subform sourceobject and recordsource


> Dear List,
> 
> I have a form that contains a changeable subform.  That is, the source
> object of the subform is set on the fly by an option group button on the
> main form. This works fine, the correct subform pops up as required.
> 
> Now I have a situation where one of the subforms (it's a generic list)
> could be re-used for different record sources.  That is sometimes it
> should list tblA, sometimes tblB, again dependent on which button the
> user clicks.  The record sources are completely different, I cant use
> filters.
> 
> My problem is how do I get the for to know which record source to use?
> Normally, I would use an openargs value to achieve this, but as I'm
> "opening" the form using a source object switch.
> 
> Some code may illustrate
> 
> Private Sub grpMain_Click()
>     Select Case Me.grpMain
>         Case 1: Me.subMain.SourceObject = "frmLoadLog"
>         Case 2: Me.subMain.SourceObject = "frmReviewLoad"
>         Case 3: Me.subMain.SourceObject = "frmActive1"
>         Case 4: Me.subMain.SourceObject = "frmActive1"
>         Case 9: DoCmd.Close
>     End Select
> End Sub
> 
> My problem is with case 4.  This is the subform I want to reuse.  
> My mind has gone completely blank on this (some would say "small
> change"). I just cannot see how I can send frmActive1 some sort of
> indicator to change its record source from tblA to tblB.
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Bruce
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 

From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon May 26 22:29:10 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 20:29:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Hyperlink screen scraping
References: <000101c323fb$15100240$ca00a8c0@bbb888>
Message-ID: <3ED2DB86.8050100@shaw.ca>

There are at least 3 ways to do this WinHttp, Inet Api's and XMLHttp. 
These all may require an install or a specific version of IE. It depends 
on what type of document you want to download a jpeg, a word Doc, text 
file or html. It also depends on what OS you want to deploy on. I would 
probably put the download into an OLE field and only use text into a 
memo field.

Bruce Bruen wrote:

>Dear List,
>
>I am sure we have covered this before (Seth?) but I cannot find anything
>in the archives (probably cant set a good keyword).
>
>The database has a text field containing a hyperlink.  When the user
>clicks a command button on a form showing the address I want to download
>the hyperlink document and save the contents of the page in a memo field
>for later scraping and processing.
>
>How is this done? Follow and FollowHyperlink just open IE.  Is there
>something I am missing (apart from that!)
>
>
>Tia
>Bruce
>
>
>  
>



From viner at eunet.yu  Mon May 26 23:57:48 2003
From: viner at eunet.yu (Ervin Brindza)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 06:57:48 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Calendar/Diary form/report
References: <3ED34C11.11501.9D8A92@localhost>
	<005a01c323fa$e87a2120$6465000a@venus>
Message-ID: <007701c3240c$8cfb6900$0100a8c0@razvoj>

Selina,
check Anita Smith's calendar application http://www.ddisolutions.com.au
Ervin

----- Original Message -----
From: "Iddon" <selina at easydatabases.com.au>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: 27 May, 2003 4:51 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Calendar/Diary form/report


> Hi Everyone
>
> I have a client who wants to have a diary like Outlook build into their
> access database so the personnell can be listed across the top (a column
for
> each) and the times down the left, showing one date at a time.  Does
anyone
> know of any great add-ons that could help me out here?
>
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From marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl  Tue May 27 03:11:21 2003
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl (marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 10:11:21 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Simple Event question, I guess
Message-ID: <OF0F6D3F0A.0261A2D3-ONC1256D33.002CCEEA@achmea.nl>


Dear group,

I am looking for the following. I have a ParentForm and within that
parentform I have two subforms. Now I want to do some validating when I
user leaves the parentform and enters one of the subforms. Any idea,
suggestion what event that is? or how I can solve that.

Greetz Marcel



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From ad_tp at hotmail.com  Tue May 27 04:09:50 2003
From: ad_tp at hotmail.com (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:39:50 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Change both subform sourceobject and recordsource
References: <000001c323fa$4d4d65e0$ca00a8c0@bbb888>
	<00f301c323fe$11534100$6401a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <Law9-OE432GRgliADEC0001e3f3@hotmail.com>

Bruce,

    Let MySF be the name of SubForm control, "MyForm" the name of form serving as source object for MySF and "MyQ" the name of saved query or table serving as record source for "MyForm". You could try the following code (from the parent form) -

    MySF.SourceObject = "MyForm"
    MySF.Form.RecordSource = "MyQ"

    This will effect the desired changes at run time.

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Michael R Mattys 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 08:44
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change both subform sourceobject and recordsource


  Hi Bruce,

  Unless someone knows better ...
  It looks like you'd have to open the source object
  in design view (hidden) and set it's recordsource,
  save it, and then open it in the main form.

  Michael R. Mattys
  www.mattysconsulting.com

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Bruce Bruen" <bbruen at bigpond.com>
  To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 10:47 PM
  Subject: [AccessD] Change both subform sourceobject and recordsource


  > Dear List,
  > 
  > I have a form that contains a changeable subform.  That is, the source
  > object of the subform is set on the fly by an option group button on the
  > main form. This works fine, the correct subform pops up as required.
  > 
  > Now I have a situation where one of the subforms (it's a generic list)
  > could be re-used for different record sources.  That is sometimes it
  > should list tblA, sometimes tblB, again dependent on which button the
  > user clicks.  The record sources are completely different, I cant use
  > filters.
  > 
  > My problem is how do I get the for to know which record source to use?
  > Normally, I would use an openargs value to achieve this, but as I'm
  > "opening" the form using a source object switch.
  > 
  > Some code may illustrate
  > 
  > Private Sub grpMain_Click()
  >     Select Case Me.grpMain
  >         Case 1: Me.subMain.SourceObject = "frmLoadLog"
  >         Case 2: Me.subMain.SourceObject = "frmReviewLoad"
  >         Case 3: Me.subMain.SourceObject = "frmActive1"
  >         Case 4: Me.subMain.SourceObject = "frmActive1"
  >         Case 9: DoCmd.Close
  >     End Select
  > End Sub
  > 
  > My problem is with case 4.  This is the subform I want to reuse.  
  > My mind has gone completely blank on this (some would say "small
  > change"). I just cannot see how I can send frmActive1 some sort of
  > indicator to change its record source from tblA to tblB.
  > 
  > Any thoughts?
  > 
  > Bruce

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From marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl  Tue May 27 04:43:09 2003
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl (marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 11:43:09 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Looping through forms
Message-ID: <OFBCAACAA0.851C1337-ONC1256D33.00351DF6@achmea.nl>

Dear group,

Does anyone know how I can achieve the following.

I want to loop through all the forms and reports available in the database.
Then for each form loop through all the controls and save of each control
the controltype, caption, text, defaultvalue, format, fieldtype in a table.
I want to do this because I have weird things with controls that suddenly
behave strange. That way I can check the current controls properties with
their previous properties.


THanks,

In advance.

Marcel Vreuls






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From bbruen at bigpond.com  Tue May 27 05:20:54 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 20:20:54 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Change both subform sourceobject and recordsource
In-Reply-To: <Law9-OE432GRgliADEC0001e3f3@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000501c32439$a8861080$ca00a8c0@bbb888>

Thanks A.D that is what I needed!
 
Bruce
 
(Actually, what I need is a packet of "Obvious Pills"  :-)
 
 
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 7:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change both subform sourceobject and recordsource



Bruce,
 
    Let MySF be the name of SubForm control, "MyForm" the name of form
serving as source object for MySF and "MyQ" the name of saved query or
table serving as record source for "MyForm". You could try the following
code (from the parent form) -
 
    MySF.SourceObject = "MyForm"
    MySF.Form.RecordSource = "MyQ"
 
    This will effect the desired changes at run time.
 
Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Michael R Mattys <mailto:michael.mattys at adelphia.net>  
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 08:44
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change both subform sourceobject and recordsource

Hi Bruce,

Unless someone knows better ...
It looks like you'd have to open the source object
in design view (hidden) and set it's recordsource,
save it, and then open it in the main form.

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bruce Bruen" <bbruen at bigpond.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 10:47 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Change both subform sourceobject and recordsource


> Dear List,
> 
> I have a form that contains a changeable subform.  That is, the source
> object of the subform is set on the fly by an option group button on
the
> main form. This works fine, the correct subform pops up as required.
> 
> Now I have a situation where one of the subforms (it's a generic list)
> could be re-used for different record sources.  That is sometimes it
> should list tblA, sometimes tblB, again dependent on which button the
> user clicks.  The record sources are completely different, I cant use
> filters.
> 
> My problem is how do I get the for to know which record source to use?
> Normally, I would use an openargs value to achieve this, but as I'm
> "opening" the form using a source object switch.
> 
> Some code may illustrate
> 
> Private Sub grpMain_Click()
>     Select Case Me.grpMain
>         Case 1: Me.subMain.SourceObject = "frmLoadLog"
>         Case 2: Me.subMain.SourceObject = "frmReviewLoad"
>         Case 3: Me.subMain.SourceObject = "frmActive1"
>         Case 4: Me.subMain.SourceObject = "frmActive1"
>         Case 9: DoCmd.Close
>     End Select
> End Sub
> 
> My problem is with case 4.  This is the subform I want to reuse.  
> My mind has gone completely blank on this (some would say "small
> change"). I just cannot see how I can send frmActive1 some sort of
> indicator to change its record source from tblA to tblB.
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Bruce


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From bbruen at bigpond.com  Tue May 27 05:39:51 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 20:39:51 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Hyperlink screen scraping
In-Reply-To: <3ED2DB86.8050100@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <000a01c3243c$4e8320c0$ca00a8c0@bbb888>

Thanks Marty.....Urrgh to much information

The pages we are tryinng to retrieve are "pure" html ( with some
unwanted pictures ). Primarily, they are vendor price lists we are
trying to monitor against benchmarks for PC componentry.  One user, say
"Fred" is after motherboard prices. He builds a list of vendor sites and
runs a daily check on the supply price for the model(s) he is looking
for.  Most of the time is spent clicking on a "favourites", waiting for
the page to load and copying the days prices into his pricing models.
What we would like to do is kick off the "download" in the morning, grab
all the pages while he's getting a coffee and then show them one at a
time and Fred can highlight any lines he wants and then we'll scrape
that bit off the page and paste it in his models.

What choice do you suggest.  I note that the XML route would be the
technopolitic right way - but the vendors aren't necessarily agreed
suppliers - in fact in general its just the opposite!, we are trying to
keep the agreed suppliers on their toes. (Also note that my Polish isn't
up to scratch re Inet API - or did I get the wrong site baby?)  Finally,
if WinHttp is the go, do you know of a site that's a bit more to the
point of our problem rather than the MSDN pages(and pages and pages and
......

Yet again
tia
Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:29 
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hyperlink screen scraping


There are at least 3 ways to do this WinHttp, Inet Api's and XMLHttp. 
These all may require an install or a specific version of IE. It depends

on what type of document you want to download a jpeg, a word Doc, text 
file or html. It also depends on what OS you want to deploy on. I would 
probably put the download into an OLE field and only use text into a 
memo field.

Bruce Bruen wrote:

>Dear List,
>
>I am sure we have covered this before (Seth?) but I cannot find 
>anything in the archives (probably cant set a good keyword).
>
>The database has a text field containing a hyperlink.  When the user 
>clicks a command button on a form showing the address I want to 
>download the hyperlink document and save the contents of the page in a 
>memo field for later scraping and processing.
>
>How is this done? Follow and FollowHyperlink just open IE.  Is there 
>something I am missing (apart from that!)
>
>
>Tia
>Bruce
>
>
>  
>


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From bbruen at bigpond.com  Tue May 27 06:16:23 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 21:16:23 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Hyperlink screen scraping
In-Reply-To: <000a01c3243c$4e8320c0$ca00a8c0@bbb888>
Message-ID: <001001c32441$68eef1f0$ca00a8c0@bbb888>

On further reflection XMLHttp looks like the way to go....just stepping
into the MSXML documentation now... If I'm not back in 3 weeks could
someone please feed the kids.... :-)

Will report back!
Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 8:40 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Hyperlink screen scraping


Thanks Marty.....Urrgh to much information

The pages we are tryinng to retrieve are "pure" html ( with some
unwanted pictures ). Primarily, they are vendor price lists we are
trying to monitor against benchmarks for PC componentry.  One user, say
"Fred" is after motherboard prices. He builds a list of vendor sites and
runs a daily check on the supply price for the model(s) he is looking
for.  Most of the time is spent clicking on a "favourites", waiting for
the page to load and copying the days prices into his pricing models.
What we would like to do is kick off the "download" in the morning, grab
all the pages while he's getting a coffee and then show them one at a
time and Fred can highlight any lines he wants and then we'll scrape
that bit off the page and paste it in his models.

What choice do you suggest.  I note that the XML route would be the
technopolitic right way - but the vendors aren't necessarily agreed
suppliers - in fact in general its just the opposite!, we are trying to
keep the agreed suppliers on their toes. (Also note that my Polish isn't
up to scratch re Inet API - or did I get the wrong site baby?)  Finally,
if WinHttp is the go, do you know of a site that's a bit more to the
point of our problem rather than the MSDN pages(and pages and pages and
......

Yet again
tia
Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:29 
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hyperlink screen scraping


There are at least 3 ways to do this WinHttp, Inet Api's and XMLHttp. 
These all may require an install or a specific version of IE. It depends

on what type of document you want to download a jpeg, a word Doc, text 
file or html. It also depends on what OS you want to deploy on. I would 
probably put the download into an OLE field and only use text into a 
memo field.

Bruce Bruen wrote:

>Dear List,
>
>I am sure we have covered this before (Seth?) but I cannot find
>anything in the archives (probably cant set a good keyword).
>
>The database has a text field containing a hyperlink.  When the user
>clicks a command button on a form showing the address I want to 
>download the hyperlink document and save the contents of the page in a 
>memo field for later scraping and processing.
>
>How is this done? Follow and FollowHyperlink just open IE.  Is there
>something I am missing (apart from that!)
>
>
>Tia
>Bruce
>
>
>  
>


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From mitsules_ms at nns.com  Tue May 27 06:46:48 2003
From: mitsules_ms at nns.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 07:46:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Looping through forms
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29412@nnse14.nns.com>

For your purposes, will Tools/Analyze/Documenter work?


Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 5:43 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Looping through forms


Dear group,

Does anyone know how I can achieve the following.

I want to loop through all the forms and reports available in the database.
Then for each form loop through all the controls and save of each control
the controltype, caption, text, defaultvalue, format, fieldtype in a table.
I want to do this because I have weird things with controls that suddenly
behave strange. That way I can check the current controls properties with
their previous properties.


THanks,

In advance.

Marcel Vreuls






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From marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl  Tue May 27 07:00:13 2003
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl (marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:00:13 +0200
Subject: Betreft: RE: [AccessD] Looping through forms
Message-ID: <OFDEF171B4.91B1B463-ONC1256D33.0041C569@achmea.nl>

Hi Mark,

You are right then I have the documentation available. But than I have to
manualy compare the two documents on paper. That is something I do not want
because it takes up to much time and I can make mistakes.

Thanks,

marcel






"Mitsules, Mark" <mitsules_ms at nns.com>@databaseadvisors.com op 27-05-2003
13:46:48

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For your purposes, will Tools/Analyze/Documenter work?


Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 5:43 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Looping through forms


Dear group,

Does anyone know how I can achieve the following.

I want to loop through all the forms and reports available in the database.
Then for each form loop through all the controls and save of each control
the controltype, caption, text, defaultvalue, format, fieldtype in a table.
I want to do this because I have weird things with controls that suddenly
behave strange. That way I can check the current controls properties with
their previous properties.


THanks,

In advance.

Marcel Vreuls






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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue May 27 07:17:50 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 08:17:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Simple Event question, I guess
In-Reply-To: <OF0F6D3F0A.0261A2D3-ONC1256D33.002CCEEA@achmea.nl>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEDADOAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

The subform control has a OnEnter event.  To use this you would need to
create a generic validation routine and call it from all OnEnter events of
all subforms.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 4:11 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Simple Event question, I guess



Dear group,

I am looking for the following. I have a ParentForm and within that
parentform I have two subforms. Now I want to do some validating when I
user leaves the parentform and enters one of the subforms. Any idea,
suggestion what event that is? or how I can solve that.

Greetz Marcel



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From bbruen at bigpond.com  Tue May 27 07:18:19 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 22:18:19 +1000
Subject: Betreft: RE: [AccessD] Looping through forms
In-Reply-To: <OFDEF171B4.91B1B463-ONC1256D33.0041C569@achmea.nl>
Message-ID: <001101c3244a$0fef0b90$ca00a8c0@bbb888>

Marcel, 

This may get you started....

Bruce

Public Sub enumFormProperties(oForm As Form)
'-----------------------------------------------------------------------
--
'
'   Description / Purpose :-
'       Lists all the form, section and control properties for the
'       supplied form in the debug window
'
'   Parameters:-
'       PARAMETER   TYPE                    COMMENTS
'       oForm       MSAccess Form Object
'
'   Return Value:-
'       None
'
'   Notes:-
'       The number of properties displayed is large.  When running this
'       sub you need to set breakpoints so that you can get the
information
'       you want.
'
'------------------------------------------------------------
'   Version     Dated               Author      Comment
'    1.0        16-May-03           Bruce       Original.
'============================================================
    
    Dim Prop As Property
    Dim formSection As Integer
    Dim formControl As Control
    
    On Error Resume Next
    
    Debug.Print "Processing Form Properties"
    For Each Prop In oForm.Properties
        Debug.Print "    "; Prop.Name;
        Debug.Print "=" & Prop.Value;
        Debug.Print " (" & GetPropType(Prop.Type) & ")";
        Debug.Print , Prop.Attributes;
        Debug.Print
    Next Prop
    Stop
    
    Debug.Print "Processing Form Sections"
    For formSection = 0 To 6
        Debug.Print "    Section " & formSection
        For Each Prop In oForm.Section(formSection).Properties
            Debug.Print "        "; Prop.Name;
            Debug.Print "=" & Prop.Value;
            Debug.Print " (" & GetPropType(Prop.Type) & ")";
            Debug.Print , Prop.Attributes;
            Debug.Print
        Next Prop
    Next formSection
    Stop
    
    Debug.Print "Processing Form Controls"
    For Each formControl In oForm
        Debug.Print "---- Control ----"
        For Each Prop In formControl.Properties
            Debug.Print Prop.Name;
            Debug.Print "=" & Prop.Value;
            Debug.Print " (" & GetPropType(Prop.Type) & ")";
            Debug.Print , Prop.Attributes;
            Debug.Print
        Next Prop
        Stop
    Next formControl
    Stop
End Sub

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marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:00 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Betreft: RE: [AccessD] Looping through forms


Hi Mark,

You are right then I have the documentation available. But than I have
to manualy compare the two documents on paper. That is something I do
not want because it takes up to much time and I can make mistakes.

Thanks,

marcel






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27-05-2003 13:46:48

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Onderwerp:     RE: [AccessD] Looping through forms


For your purposes, will Tools/Analyze/Documenter work?


Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 5:43 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Looping through forms


Dear group,

Does anyone know how I can achieve the following.

I want to loop through all the forms and reports available in the
database. Then for each form loop through all the controls and save of
each control the controltype, caption, text, defaultvalue, format,
fieldtype in a table. I want to do this because I have weird things with
controls that suddenly behave strange. That way I can check the current
controls properties with their previous properties.


THanks,

In advance.

Marcel Vreuls






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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Tue May 27 07:20:28 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 07:20:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Simple Event question, I guess
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F8783B@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Marcel,

What do you want to validate?  If it is a datum on the parentform, why
not validate it in its own BeforeUpdate event?  If it is a relationship
between several data on the parentform, why not validate it in the
form's BeforeUpdate event?  If it is data on a subform, then use the
corresponding events of the subform.

If none of the above cover your situation, please explain in more
detail.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



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Sent: Tuesday 2003 May 27 03:11
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Simple Event question, I guess

Dear group,

I am looking for the following. I have a ParentForm and within that
parentform I have two subforms. Now I want to do some validating when I
user leaves the parentform and enters one of the subforms. Any idea,
suggestion what event that is? or how I can solve that.

Greetz Marcel

From marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl  Tue May 27 07:56:06 2003
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl (marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:56:06 +0200
Subject: Betreft: RE: Betreft: RE: [AccessD] Looping through forms
Message-ID: <OF17DA11E9.ED4B3FD4-ONC1256D33.0046EDD4@achmea.nl>

Hi Bruce,

I have some troubles with the prop.attributes. My access does not
understand this. What reference do I need??. I use W2K and A2K.
And what does the GetPropType section do? this is missing also.


Thanks,

Marcel




"Bruce Bruen" <bbruen at bigpond.com>@databaseadvisors.com op 27-05-2003
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Marcel,

This may get you started....

Bruce

Public Sub enumFormProperties(oForm As Form)
'-----------------------------------------------------------------------
--
'
'   Description / Purpose :-
'       Lists all the form, section and control properties for the
'       supplied form in the debug window
'
'   Parameters:-
'       PARAMETER   TYPE                    COMMENTS
'       oForm       MSAccess Form Object
'
'   Return Value:-
'       None
'
'   Notes:-
'       The number of properties displayed is large.  When running this
'       sub you need to set breakpoints so that you can get the
information
'       you want.
'
'------------------------------------------------------------
'   Version     Dated               Author      Comment
'    1.0        16-May-03           Bruce       Original.
'============================================================

    Dim Prop As Property
    Dim formSection As Integer
    Dim formControl As Control

    On Error Resume Next

    Debug.Print "Processing Form Properties"
    For Each Prop In oForm.Properties
        Debug.Print "    "; Prop.Name;
        Debug.Print "=" & Prop.Value;
        Debug.Print " (" & GetPropType(Prop.Type) & ")";
        Debug.Print , Prop.Attributes;
        Debug.Print
    Next Prop
    Stop

    Debug.Print "Processing Form Sections"
    For formSection = 0 To 6
        Debug.Print "    Section " & formSection
        For Each Prop In oForm.Section(formSection).Properties
            Debug.Print "        "; Prop.Name;
            Debug.Print "=" & Prop.Value;
            Debug.Print " (" & GetPropType(Prop.Type) & ")";
            Debug.Print , Prop.Attributes;
            Debug.Print
        Next Prop
    Next formSection
    Stop

    Debug.Print "Processing Form Controls"
    For Each formControl In oForm
        Debug.Print "---- Control ----"
        For Each Prop In formControl.Properties
            Debug.Print Prop.Name;
            Debug.Print "=" & Prop.Value;
            Debug.Print " (" & GetPropType(Prop.Type) & ")";
            Debug.Print , Prop.Attributes;
            Debug.Print
        Next Prop
        Stop
    Next formControl
    Stop
End Sub

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marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:00 PM
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Subject: Betreft: RE: [AccessD] Looping through forms


Hi Mark,

You are right then I have the documentation available. But than I have
to manualy compare the two documents on paper. That is something I do
not want because it takes up to much time and I can make mistakes.

Thanks,

marcel






"Mitsules, Mark" <mitsules_ms at nns.com>@databaseadvisors.com op
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For your purposes, will Tools/Analyze/Documenter work?

Mark



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Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 5:43 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Looping through forms


Dear group,

Does anyone know how I can achieve the following.

I want to loop through all the forms and reports available in the
database. Then for each form loop through all the controls and save of
each control the controltype, caption, text, defaultvalue, format,
fieldtype in a table. I want to do this because I have weird things with
controls that suddenly behave strange. That way I can check the current
controls properties with their previous properties.


THanks,

In advance.

Marcel Vreuls






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From marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl  Tue May 27 08:13:35 2003
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl (marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 15:13:35 +0200
Subject: Betreft: RE: [AccessD] Simple Event question, I guess
Message-ID: <OF63E17A31.A2EE4666-ONC1256D33.00482BA3@achmea.nl>

Hi Charles,

The problem is the following. When putting the validation code in the
beforeupdate event it is being validated. The problem is that on field
level the required propery is TRUE and I get also that message if users do
not fill in that field. And it is one ugly message. So I have to validate
if there is a value in that field before going to another field or form.
The problem is that I do not know when they are going to this field, the
user can start somewhere else.

My guess is that there are two solutions. One is filling in a default value
in this field or removing the required property. Both solutions are not the
most beautifull but they seem to work.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Marcel Vreuls






"Wortz, Charles" <CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>@databaseadvisors.com op
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Marcel,

What do you want to validate?  If it is a datum on the parentform, why
not validate it in its own BeforeUpdate event?  If it is a relationship
between several data on the parentform, why not validate it in the
form's BeforeUpdate event?  If it is data on a subform, then use the
corresponding events of the subform.

If none of the above cover your situation, please explain in more
detail.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



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Sent: Tuesday 2003 May 27 03:11
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Simple Event question, I guess

Dear group,

I am looking for the following. I have a ParentForm and within that
parentform I have two subforms. Now I want to do some validating when I
user leaves the parentform and enters one of the subforms. Any idea,
suggestion what event that is? or how I can solve that.

Greetz Marcel
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From marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl  Tue May 27 08:14:29 2003
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl (marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 15:14:29 +0200
Subject: Betreft: RE: [AccessD] Simple Event question, I guess
Message-ID: <OFC06710C7.6D8A06EC-ONC1256D33.0048AD0B@achmea.nl>

John,

Thanks. This could work I will give it a try before putting in a default
value in the field.

Gr. marcel




"John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>@databaseadvisors.com op
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The subform control has a OnEnter event.  To use this you would need to
create a generic validation routine and call it from all OnEnter events of
all subforms.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Simple Event question, I guess



Dear group,

I am looking for the following. I have a ParentForm and within that
parentform I have two subforms. Now I want to do some validating when I
user leaves the parentform and enters one of the subforms. Any idea,
suggestion what event that is? or how I can solve that.

Greetz Marcel



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From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 09:21:52 -0400
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From bbruen at bigpond.com  Tue May 27 08:24:54 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 23:24:54 +1000
Subject: Betreft: RE: Betreft: RE: [AccessD] Looping through forms
In-Reply-To: <OF17DA11E9.ED4B3FD4-ONC1256D33.0046EDD4@achmea.nl>
Message-ID: <002201c32453$5cd05af0$ca00a8c0@bbb888>

Sorry Marcel, I threw the code in wothout looking for dependancies.  You
can probably get rid of the prop.attRibutes echo as it was for something
I originally wrote the enum for - a.k.a. Damned if I remember!
Bruce


Public Function GetPropType(typeVal As ADODB.DataTypeEnum) As String
'-----------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------
'
'   Description / Purpose :-
'       Converts the numeric property type to a descriptive name
'
'   Parameters:-
'       PARAMETER   TYPE    COMMENTS
'       typeval     integer The property type value to be converted
'
'   Return Value:-
'       A string descriptive of the property type
'
'   Notes:-
'
'------------------------------------------------------------
'   Version     Dated               Author      Comment
'               16-May-03               Bruce   Original.
'============================================================

    Dim strResult As String

    On Error GoTo GetPropType_Error

    Select Case typeVal
        Case adArray: strResult = "AdArray"
        Case adBigInt: strResult = "adBigInt"
        Case adBinary: strResult = "adBinary"
        Case adBoolean: strResult = "adBoolean"
        Case adBSTR: strResult = "adBSTR"
        Case adChapter: strResult = "adChapter"
        Case adChar: strResult = "adChar"
        Case adCurrency: strResult = "adCurrency"
        Case adDate: strResult = "adDate"
        Case adDBDate: strResult = "adDBDate"
        Case adDBTime: strResult = "adDBTime"
        Case adDBTimeStamp: strResult = "adDBTimeStamp"
        Case adDecimal: strResult = "adDecimal"
        Case adDouble: strResult = "adDouble"
        Case adEmpty: strResult = "adEmpty"
        Case adError: strResult = "adError"
        Case adFileTime: strResult = "adFileTime"
        Case adGUID: strResult = "adGUID"
        Case adIDispatch: strResult = "adIDispatch"
        Case adInteger: strResult = "adInteger"
        Case adIUnknown: strResult = "adIUnknown"
        Case adLongVarBinary: strResult = "adLongVarBinary"
        Case adLongVarChar: strResult = "adLongVarChar"
        Case adLongVarWChar: strResult = "adLongVarWChar"
        Case adNumeric: strResult = "adNumeric"
        Case adPropVariant: strResult = "adPropVariant"
        Case adSingle: strResult = "adSingle"
        Case adSmallInt: strResult = "adSmallInt"
        Case adTinyInt: strResult = "adTinyInt"
        Case adUnsignedBigInt: strResult = "adUnsignedBigInt"
        Case adUnsignedInt: strResult = "adUnsignedInt"
        Case adUnsignedSmallInt: strResult = "adUnsignedSmallInt"
        Case adUnsignedTinyInt: strResult = "adUnsignedTinyInt"
        Case adUserDefined: strResult = "adUserDefined"
        Case adVarBinary: strResult = "adVarBinary"
        Case adVarChar: strResult = "adVarChar"
        Case adVariant: strResult = "adVariant"
        Case adVarNumeric: strResult = "adVarNumeric"
        Case adVarWChar: strResult = "adVarWChar"
        Case adWChar: strResult = "adWChar"
    End Select

    GetPropType = strResult

    On Error GoTo 0
    Exit Function

GetPropType_Error:

    MsgBox "Error " & Err.Number & " (" & Err.Description & ") in
procedure GetPropType of Module splForms"

End Function

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marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:56 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Betreft: RE: Betreft: RE: [AccessD] Looping through forms


Hi Bruce,

I have some troubles with the prop.attributes. My access does not
understand this. What reference do I need??. I use W2K and A2K. And what
does the GetPropType section do? this is missing also.


Thanks,

Marcel




"Bruce Bruen" <bbruen at bigpond.com>@databaseadvisors.com op 27-05-2003
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Marcel,

This may get you started....

Bruce

Public Sub enumFormProperties(oForm As Form)
'-----------------------------------------------------------------------
--
'
'   Description / Purpose :-
'       Lists all the form, section and control properties for the
'       supplied form in the debug window
'
'   Parameters:-
'       PARAMETER   TYPE                    COMMENTS
'       oForm       MSAccess Form Object
'
'   Return Value:-
'       None
'
'   Notes:-
'       The number of properties displayed is large.  When running this
'       sub you need to set breakpoints so that you can get the
information
'       you want.
'
'------------------------------------------------------------
'   Version     Dated               Author      Comment
'    1.0        16-May-03           Bruce       Original.
'============================================================

    Dim Prop As Property
    Dim formSection As Integer
    Dim formControl As Control

    On Error Resume Next

    Debug.Print "Processing Form Properties"
    For Each Prop In oForm.Properties
        Debug.Print "    "; Prop.Name;
        Debug.Print "=" & Prop.Value;
        Debug.Print " (" & GetPropType(Prop.Type) & ")";
        Debug.Print , Prop.Attributes;
        Debug.Print
    Next Prop
    Stop

    Debug.Print "Processing Form Sections"
    For formSection = 0 To 6
        Debug.Print "    Section " & formSection
        For Each Prop In oForm.Section(formSection).Properties
            Debug.Print "        "; Prop.Name;
            Debug.Print "=" & Prop.Value;
            Debug.Print " (" & GetPropType(Prop.Type) & ")";
            Debug.Print , Prop.Attributes;
            Debug.Print
        Next Prop
    Next formSection
    Stop

    Debug.Print "Processing Form Controls"
    For Each formControl In oForm
        Debug.Print "---- Control ----"
        For Each Prop In formControl.Properties
            Debug.Print Prop.Name;
            Debug.Print "=" & Prop.Value;
            Debug.Print " (" & GetPropType(Prop.Type) & ")";
            Debug.Print , Prop.Attributes;
            Debug.Print
        Next Prop
        Stop
    Next formControl
    Stop
End Sub

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marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:00 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Betreft: RE: [AccessD] Looping through forms


Hi Mark,

You are right then I have the documentation available. But than I have
to manualy compare the two documents on paper. That is something I do
not want because it takes up to much time and I can make mistakes.

Thanks,

marcel






"Mitsules, Mark" <mitsules_ms at nns.com>@databaseadvisors.com op
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For your purposes, will Tools/Analyze/Documenter work?

Mark



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From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 5:43 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Looping through forms


Dear group,

Does anyone know how I can achieve the following.

I want to loop through all the forms and reports available in the
database. Then for each form loop through all the controls and save of
each control the controltype, caption, text, defaultvalue, format,
fieldtype in a table. I want to do this because I have weird things with
controls that suddenly behave strange. That way I can check the current
controls properties with their previous properties.


THanks,

In advance.

Marcel Vreuls






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From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 09:12:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
In-Reply-To: <13831776281.20030521170154@cactus.dk>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F54@infoserver01.infostat.local>
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	<7629764428.20030521162822@cactus.dk>
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	<13831776281.20030521170154@cactus.dk>
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He group,
does anyone know if I can use SUM in the case below ? I can't seem to find
it. Thanks

C = Range("C13").Value + Range("C14").Value + Range("C15").Value +
Range("C16").Value + Range("C17").Value + Range("C18").Value


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From mikedorism at ntelos.net  Tue May 27 09:28:30 2003
From: mikedorism at ntelos.net (Mike and Doris Manning)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 10:28:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
In-Reply-To: <51269.199.67.140.20.1054044734.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <001701c3245c$42449d50$a7320cd8@hargrove.internal>

You can try C = SUM("C13:C18")

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


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To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values


He group,
does anyone know if I can use SUM in the case below ? I can't seem to find
it. Thanks

C = Range("C13").Value + Range("C14").Value + Range("C15").Value +
Range("C16").Value + Range("C17").Value + Range("C18").Value


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From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Tue May 27 09:54:28 2003
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 09:54:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
Message-ID: <8301C8A868251E4C8ECD3D4FFEA40F8A4EBD02@cpixchng-1.cpiqpc.net>

For a firewall appliance what about something like the Linksys Instant
Broadband EtherFast Cable/DSL Firewall Router (model number BEFSX41).  This
lists for $60 on buy.com.  It provides a port for dedicated DMZ hosting and
has the Stateful Packet Inspection firewall.  It wouldn't have all the bells
and whistles that the sonicwall does but for the money it seems like a gem.

Sorry if this sounds like an ad for the product but I've hooked one up and
like it.

Rusty

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 10:54 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses


Depends.

If you go the "firewall appliance" route, such as
SinocWall, you're looking at close to a thousand bucks
(the last time I checked).  If you go the "I'm taking
a PC, putting multiple network cards in it and making
a firewall out of it." you can get away for free if
you have the hardware readily available.

My firewall is a P3-700 PC with 256MB of RAM, an 8GB
hard drive and 4 network cards.  Hardware-wise this
firewall is way overkill for what I need, .  I
wouldn't recommend anything less than a P2-333 for a
firewall though if you have a DSL or cablemodem based
Internet connection.  For an OS it's running a
hardened minimilistic flavor of Red Hat Linux 8.0. 
I'm running the built-in IPTables firewall for all of
my firewalling needs.  That makes the OS and firewall
free too.

--- Jim DeMarco <Jdemarco at hshhp.org> wrote:
> Thanks Martin.  
> 
> >From what I'm gathering from this thread I should
> look into a hardware solution (that the fact that
> I'm running WinME on a P200 that's a relatively slow
> performer as is).  How costly might that be?
> 
> Jim DeMarco
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
> [mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK]
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 11:12 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> 
> 
> Jim
> 
> You run a web server at hoem your always at risk of
> hacking attempts. Put up a secent firewall.
> 
> I have IIS running on a server here but its not
> connected to the web. Dosnt matter for dev work at
> all. I connect as and when I need to. Other than 
> that I leave the server of the modems.
> 
> 
> 
> Martin
> 
> 
> On May 23 2003, Jim DeMarco wrote:
> 
> > What about running it on another machine on my
> (wireless) network that's > not directly connected
> to my DSL modem but has Internet access via that >
> connection? Is that any safer?
> > 
> > Jim DeMarco
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Frank Tanner III
> [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:29 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> > 
> > 
> > Personally, I wouldn't run ANY public accessable
> > services on my LAN.  There is a MUCH safer way to
> do
> > it, but it isn't super cheap.
> > 
> > I have a custom built firewall, which I run at
> home. 
> > The "public" side of it connects directly to my
> > Internet connection, in this case a 1Mbit VDSL
> > connection.  Then I have a "private" side, which
> > connects to my LAN, and has my strict firewall
> rules. 
> > Only what I want gets in and out.  Lastly, I have
> a
> > "DMZ".  This is where I place my publicly
> accessable
> > machines.  It is still firewalled, but not as
> > stringently as the LAN side, since the public
> needs to
> > hit it.  Even in this DMZ I only let through the
> ports
> > I absolutely need to.  Such as 80 & 443 for Web,
> 25 &
> > 110 for e-mail, etc.  My LAN is also firewalled
> from
> > my DMZ in this configuration except for what's
> > absolutely needed.
> > 
> > In this confugiration, unless I specifically open
> an
> > e-mail with a virus attached, or something silly
> like
> > that, I'm about as safe as one can get from "the
> big
> > bad Internet".  The worst that can happen is that
> > there is an exploit for one of my publicly
> accessable
> > boxes and they get compromised.  My LAN is still
> safe.
> > 
> > As a side note, my firewall, web server, and
> e-mail
> > server are all running Linix or FreeBSD.  This
> makes
> > them less succeptable to all of the more common
> > attacks that the "script kiddies" like to use. 
> About
> > 80% of the attacks and defacements on publicly
> > accessable servers are done by "script kiddies". 
> An
> > added benifit is that IIS specific exploits have
> no
> > affect other than to fill my logs, which archive
> and
> > rotate off daily.
> > 
> > Is this a bit excessive, since I don't run a
> business
> > out of my home?  Yeah, it is.  But there's no such
> > thing as too much security.
> > 
> > --- John Frederick <j.frederick at att.net> wrote:
> > > Yes, it is necessary.  When I started doing .asp
> on
> > > the same machine I used
> > > to dial-up to get email, I got, over some period
> of
> > > time, about a dozen
> > > different viruses, some of which propagated
> through
> > > my lan to other
> > > machines.  If you can't block the access from
> the
> > > net to your machines, you
> > > need to either use a firewall or disconnect the
> pws
> > > machine from the lan.
> > > 
> > > P.S.: If you put firewalls, such as Norton or
> McAfee
> > > on your machines, you
> > > can ask to be warned and have a change to say ok
> or
> > > no when a program tries
> > > to access another machine or the net.  You'll be
> > > amazed about how many
> > > Microsoft and other vendow programs do so for no
> > > reason related to your
> > > current operation in progress.  If you're not
> > > already paranoid, that will
> > > make you so.
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> > > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 8:03 AM
> > > To: AccessD (E-mail)
> > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> > > 
> > > 
> > > List,
> > > 
> > > A while back I got a DSL connection on my home
> > > office PC which I
> > > occasionally use for web development using
> Personal
> > > Web Server (Win 9x/ME
> > > version of IIS).  I was advised by our staff
> network
> > > person NOT to run PWS
> > > after the DSL was up because I'd be succeptable
> to
> > > attacks and viruses.
> > > Does anyone know if this is true?  I have not
> run
> > > PWS in a couple of months
> > > and have been using a disconnected laptop to
> write
> > > ASP code but I'm
> > > wondering if this is necessary.  Would I need to
> > > install a firewall if I
> > > want to run PWS?
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > 
> > > Jim DeMarco
> > > 
> > > 
> > >
> >  
> >  
> >
>
****************************************************************************
> > > *******
> > > "This electronic message is intended to be for
> the
> > > use only of the named
> > > recipient, and may contain information from
> Hudson
> > > Health Plan (HHP) that is
> > > confidential or privileged.  If you are not the
> > > intended recipient, you are
> > > hereby notified that any disclosure, copying,
> > > distribution or use of the
> > > contents of this message is strictly prohibited.
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Tue May 27 10:00:58 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 08:00:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
In-Reply-To: <8301C8A868251E4C8ECD3D4FFEA40F8A4EBD02@cpixchng-1.cpiqpc.net>
Message-ID: <20030527150058.53506.qmail@web13403.mail.yahoo.com>

The Linksys ones are real nice.  They're nice enough
that Cisco is either in the process of, or has
already, bought Linksys.  If they're good enough for
Cisco, they're good enough for me...hehehe

--- rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com wrote:
> For a firewall appliance what about something like
> the Linksys Instant
> Broadband EtherFast Cable/DSL Firewall Router (model
> number BEFSX41).  This
> lists for $60 on buy.com.  It provides a port for
> dedicated DMZ hosting and
> has the Stateful Packet Inspection firewall.  It
> wouldn't have all the bells
> and whistles that the sonicwall does but for the
> money it seems like a gem.
> 
> Sorry if this sounds like an ad for the product but
> I've hooked one up and
> like it.
> 
> Rusty
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Tanner III
> [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 10:54 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> 
> 
> Depends.
> 
> If you go the "firewall appliance" route, such as
> SinocWall, you're looking at close to a thousand
> bucks
> (the last time I checked).  If you go the "I'm
> taking
> a PC, putting multiple network cards in it and
> making
> a firewall out of it." you can get away for free if
> you have the hardware readily available.
> 
> My firewall is a P3-700 PC with 256MB of RAM, an 8GB
> hard drive and 4 network cards.  Hardware-wise this
> firewall is way overkill for what I need, .  I
> wouldn't recommend anything less than a P2-333 for a
> firewall though if you have a DSL or cablemodem
> based
> Internet connection.  For an OS it's running a
> hardened minimilistic flavor of Red Hat Linux 8.0. 
> I'm running the built-in IPTables firewall for all
> of
> my firewalling needs.  That makes the OS and
> firewall
> free too.
> 
> --- Jim DeMarco <Jdemarco at hshhp.org> wrote:
> > Thanks Martin.  
> > 
> > >From what I'm gathering from this thread I should
> > look into a hardware solution (that the fact that
> > I'm running WinME on a P200 that's a relatively
> slow
> > performer as is).  How costly might that be?
> > 
> > Jim DeMarco
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
> > [mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK]
> > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 11:12 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> > 
> > 
> > Jim
> > 
> > You run a web server at hoem your always at risk
> of
> > hacking attempts. Put up a secent firewall.
> > 
> > I have IIS running on a server here but its not
> > connected to the web. Dosnt matter for dev work at
> > all. I connect as and when I need to. Other than 
> > that I leave the server of the modems.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Martin
> > 
> > 
> > On May 23 2003, Jim DeMarco wrote:
> > 
> > > What about running it on another machine on my
> > (wireless) network that's > not directly connected
> > to my DSL modem but has Internet access via that >
> > connection? Is that any safer?
> > > 
> > > Jim DeMarco
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:29 AM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Personally, I wouldn't run ANY public accessable
> > > services on my LAN.  There is a MUCH safer way
> to
> > do
> > > it, but it isn't super cheap.
> > > 
> > > I have a custom built firewall, which I run at
> > home. 
> > > The "public" side of it connects directly to my
> > > Internet connection, in this case a 1Mbit VDSL
> > > connection.  Then I have a "private" side, which
> > > connects to my LAN, and has my strict firewall
> > rules. 
> > > Only what I want gets in and out.  Lastly, I
> have
> > a
> > > "DMZ".  This is where I place my publicly
> > accessable
> > > machines.  It is still firewalled, but not as
> > > stringently as the LAN side, since the public
> > needs to
> > > hit it.  Even in this DMZ I only let through the
> > ports
> > > I absolutely need to.  Such as 80 & 443 for Web,
> > 25 &
> > > 110 for e-mail, etc.  My LAN is also firewalled
> > from
> > > my DMZ in this configuration except for what's
> > > absolutely needed.
> > > 
> > > In this confugiration, unless I specifically
> open
> > an
> > > e-mail with a virus attached, or something silly
> > like
> > > that, I'm about as safe as one can get from "the
> > big
> > > bad Internet".  The worst that can happen is
> that
> > > there is an exploit for one of my publicly
> > accessable
> > > boxes and they get compromised.  My LAN is still
> > safe.
> > > 
> > > As a side note, my firewall, web server, and
> > e-mail
> > > server are all running Linix or FreeBSD.  This
> > makes
> > > them less succeptable to all of the more common
> > > attacks that the "script kiddies" like to use. 
> > About
> > > 80% of the attacks and defacements on publicly
> > > accessable servers are done by "script kiddies".
> 
> > An
> > > added benifit is that IIS specific exploits have
> > no
> > > affect other than to fill my logs, which archive
> > and
> > > rotate off daily.
> > > 
> > > Is this a bit excessive, since I don't run a
> > business
> > > out of my home?  Yeah, it is.  But there's no
> such
> > > thing as too much security.
> > > 
> > > --- John Frederick <j.frederick at att.net> wrote:
> > > > Yes, it is necessary.  When I started doing
> .asp
> > on
> > > > the same machine I used
> > > > to dial-up to get email, I got, over some
> period
> > of
> > > > time, about a dozen
> > > > different viruses, some of which propagated
> > through
> > > > my lan to other
> > > > machines.  If you can't block the access from
> > the
> > > > net to your machines, you
> > > > need to either use a firewall or disconnect
> the
> > pws
> > > > machine from the lan.
> > > > 
> > > > P.S.: If you put firewalls, such as Norton or
> > McAfee
> > > > on your machines, you
> > > > can ask to be warned and have a change to say
> ok
> > or
> > > > no when a program tries
> > > > to access another machine or the net.  You'll
> be
> 
=== message truncated ===


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue May 27 10:24:10 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 08:24:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 OutputTo HTML Formatting
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FD4@infoserver01.infostat.local>

However, you can't include any graphics, even lines, boxes, etc., in rtf
because they don't translate from Access reports.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Goodhall [mailto:sgoodhall at comcast.net] 
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 10:05 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Acc97 OutputTo HTML Formatting


Another option is to first export to RTF, then open the RTF file in
M$Word and store as HTML.  This will give you a single HTML file
containing the entire report.  If you do OLE automation, you can do all
of it under program control.

Regards,

Steve Goodhall


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Allen
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 10:31 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Acc97 OutputTo HTML Formatting


Thanks Charles. I agree, .rtf is probably a better option
for what they're wanting to do. I'm going to press again
for a move to .rtf. Otherwise, I'll write a program to
modify the HTML files directly.

Ron

On Fri, 23 May 2003 09:10:49 -0500
  "Wortz, Charles" <CWortz at tea.state.tx.us> wrote:
>Ron,
>
>If you want it as one big file instead of a file per
>page, then export
>it as RTF instead of HTML.  If RTF is not an option for
>you, then my
>next suggestion is to use an HTML editor to paste the
>files back
>together as one.  And if that is not an option either,
>then you can do
>it by hand.  The HTML code is easy to modify.
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue May 27 10:55:28 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 08:55:28 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Hyperlink screen scraping
References: <001001c32441$68eef1f0$ca00a8c0@bbb888>
Message-ID: <3ED38A70.6000803@shaw.ca>

Screenscraping has its problems. If someone changes the web page, your 
parser of the html or xml string returned has to adapt, There are also 
problems if the site uses some form of password, authentication and/or 
cookies. There is no standard. This has messed me up in the past if you 
have
no contact with the end site, to find out their particular standard. 
Some sites put their encoded site password in HTML headers. Note Amazon 
sends their authentication code in clear with the URL and no direct https.

 Here is some VBA sample code to search Amazon with their web services 
via xml
Might give you some ideas. Amazon used basic XML URL posts rather than SOAP.
One routine searches computer equipment; other searches books, third 
routine uses dom to parse the xml returned , but you would be working 
with html probably.

Get your own developer ID from Amazon and change in code.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aws/landing.html/103-9253290-7901428

 I ran this from Access 97 WinXP, so I would have MS XML 4.0 installed
Use the test Amazon XML scratchpad to set and change your URL xml POST 
string code
without going through all the documentation.

There should be some sample XMLHttp code in the archives.

'
' Amazon Query Examples
'
'http://www.amazon.com/gp/aws/landing.html/103-9253290-7901428

Sub AmazonQueryBooks()
  Dim SelectedText As String
  Dim MSXML As Object
  Dim XMLURL As String
  Dim Loaded As Boolean
  Dim AssociateID As String
  Dim DeveloperToken As String
   
  ' Get text selection
  SelectedText = "Greg Bear" 'SciFi Author
 
  ' Make sure that some text is selected
  If ((Len(SelectedText) = 0) Or (SelectedText < " ")) Then
    MsgBox "Please select some text and try again."
    Exit Sub
  End If
 
  ' Set Associate ID and Developer Token
  AssociateID = "webservices-20"
  DeveloperToken = "D2ED5GRZA6RZ7Y"
 
  ' Create MSXML Object
  Set MSXML = CreateObject("MSXML.DOMDocument")
 
  ' Set MSXML Options
  MSXML.Async = False
  MSXML.preserveWhiteSpace = False
  MSXML.validateOnParse = True
  MSXML.resolveExternals = False
 
  ' Form an XML URL
  XMLURL = "http://xml.amazon.com/onca/xml2" + _
           "?t=" + AssociateID + _
           "&dev-t=" + DeveloperToken + _
           "&page=1" + _
           "&f=xml" + _
           "&mode=books" + _
           "&type=lite" + _
           "&KeywordSearch=" + SelectedText
 
  ' Issue the request and wait for it to be honored
  Loaded = MSXML.Load(XMLURL)

  If (Loaded) Then
   ' ProcessResults MSXML
   'show as long string

   Debug.Print MSXML.xml
  Else
    MsgBox "The service is not available."
  End If
   
End Sub


Sub AmazonQueryComputers()
  Dim SelectedText As String
  Dim MSXML As Object
  Dim XMLURL As String
  Dim Loaded As Boolean
  Dim AssociateID As String
  Dim DeveloperToken As String
   
  ' Get text selection
  SelectedText = "Toshiba"
 
  ' Make sure that some text is selected
  If ((Len(SelectedText) = 0) Or (SelectedText < " ")) Then
    MsgBox "Please select some text and try again."
    Exit Sub
  End If
 
  ' Set Associate ID and Developer Token
  AssociateID = "webservices-20"
  DeveloperToken = "D2EF5GZR7A6RZ7Y"
 
  ' Create MSXML Object
  Set MSXML = CreateObject("MSXML.DOMDocument")
 
  ' Set MSXML Options
  MSXML.Async = False
  MSXML.preserveWhiteSpace = False
  MSXML.validateOnParse = True
  MSXML.resolveExternals = False
 
  ' Form an XML URL
 
  XMLURL = "http://xml.amazon.com/onca/xml3" & _
            "?t=" & AssociateToken  & _
            "&dev-t="  &  DeveloperToken  & _
            "&KeywordSearch=" & SelectedText & _
            "&mode=pc-hardware" & _
            "&sort=+pricrerank" & _
            "&offer=All" & _
            "&type=lite" & _
            "&page=2" & _
            "&f=xml"
  ' Issue the request and wait for it to be honored
  Loaded = MSXML.Load(XMLURL)

  If (Loaded) Then
   ' ProcessResults MSXML
   Debug.Print MSXML.xml
  Else
    MsgBox "The service is not available."
  End If
   
End Sub
'
' ProcessResults -
'
'   Iterate through the given XML object and display each item.
'   Allow the user to choose some items and insert them into
'   the document.
'
Sub ProcessResults(MSXML As Object)
  Dim XML_Root As Object
  Dim XML_Child As Object
  Dim XML_Title As Object
  Dim XML_ListPrice As Object
  Dim XML_OurPrice As Object
  Dim XML_Mfr As Object
  Dim XML_Authors As Object
  Dim XML_Author As Object
  Dim XML_ReleaseDate As Object
  Dim TotalResults As Long
  Dim Title As String
  Dim ListPrice As String
  Dim OurPrice As String
  Dim Mfr As String
  Dim URL As String
  Dim Author As String
  Dim ReleaseDate As String
  Dim Updates As String
  Dim Footnote As String
  Dim i As Long
 
  ' Get root of document
  Set XML_Root = MSXML.documentElement
 
  ' Reset list of items in document
 ' AmazonDetailsForm.ClearItems
 
  ' Process each top-level element
  For i = 0 To XML_Root.childNodes.Length - 1
    Set XML_Child = XML_Root.childNodes.Item(i)
   
    Select Case XML_Child.nodeName
      Case "TotalResults"
      TotalResults = CLng(XML_Child.Text)
     
      Case "Details"
        Set XML_Title = Nothing
        Set XML_ListPrice = Nothing
        Set XML_OurPrice = Nothing
        Set XML_Mfr = Nothing
        Set XML_Author = Nothing
        Set XML_ReleaseDate = Nothing
        Title = ""
        ListPrice = ""
        OurPrice = ""
        Mfr = ""
        Author = ""
        ReleaseDate = ""
       
        ' Locate the child nodes
        Set XML_Title = XML_Child.selectSingleNode("ProductName")
        Set XML_ListPrice = XML_Child.selectSingleNode("ListPrice")
        Set XML_OurPrice = XML_Child.selectSingleNode("OurPrice")
        Set XML_Mfr = XML_Child.selectSingleNode("Manufacturer")
        Set XML_Authors = XML_Child.selectSingleNode("Authors")
        Set XML_ReleaseDate = XML_Child.selectSingleNode("ReleaseDate")
       
        ' Extract the text from the child nodes
        If (Not (XML_Title Is Nothing)) Then Title = XML_Title.Text
        If (Not (XML_ListPrice Is Nothing)) Then ListPrice = 
XML_ListPrice.Text
        If (Not (XML_OurPrice Is Nothing)) Then OurPrice = XML_OurPrice.Text
        If (Not (XML_Mfr Is Nothing)) Then Mfr = XML_Mfr.Text
        If (Not (XML_ReleaseDate Is Nothing)) Then ReleaseDate = 
XML_ReleaseDate.Text
        URL = XML_Child.getAttribute("url")
       
        If (Not (XML_Authors Is Nothing)) Then
          Set XML_Author = XML_Authors.selectSingleNode("Author")
          If (Not (XML_Author Is Nothing)) Then Author = XML_Author.Text
        End If
       
        ' Add the text to the form
    '    AmazonDetailsForm.AddItem Title, ListPrice, OurPrice, Mfr, URL, 
Author, ReleaseDate
    End Select
  Next i
 
  ' Show the form
 ' AmazonDetailsForm.Show vbModal

  '
  ' Update the document:
  ' 1 - Insert document title inline
  ' 2 - Insert footnote (if requested) as footnote
  '
  'Updates = AmazonDetailsForm.GetSelectedDetails
 
  'If (Updates <> "") Then
  '  Selection.MoveRight 1
  '  Selection.Text = " [" + Updates + "] "
  'End If
 
  ' Footnote = AmazonDetailsForm.GetSelectedFootnote
  ' If (Footnote <> "") Then
  '  Selection.Footnotes.Add Range:=Selection.Range, Text:=Footnote
  ' End If
 
End Sub




Bruce Bruen wrote:

>On further reflection XMLHttp looks like the way to go....just stepping
>into the MSXML documentation now... If I'm not back in 3 weeks could
>someone please feed the kids.... :-)
>
>Will report back!
>Bruce
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
>Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 8:40 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Hyperlink screen scraping
>
>
>Thanks Marty.....Urrgh to much information
>
>The pages we are tryinng to retrieve are "pure" html ( with some
>unwanted pictures ). Primarily, they are vendor price lists we are
>trying to monitor against benchmarks for PC componentry.  One user, say
>"Fred" is after motherboard prices. He builds a list of vendor sites and
>runs a daily check on the supply price for the model(s) he is looking
>for.  Most of the time is spent clicking on a "favourites", waiting for
>the page to load and copying the days prices into his pricing models.
>What we would like to do is kick off the "download" in the morning, grab
>all the pages while he's getting a coffee and then show them one at a
>time and Fred can highlight any lines he wants and then we'll scrape
>that bit off the page and paste it in his models.
>
>What choice do you suggest.  I note that the XML route would be the
>technopolitic right way - but the vendors aren't necessarily agreed
>suppliers - in fact in general its just the opposite!, we are trying to
>keep the agreed suppliers on their toes. (Also note that my Polish isn't
>up to scratch re Inet API - or did I get the wrong site baby?)  Finally,
>if WinHttp is the go, do you know of a site that's a bit more to the
>point of our problem rather than the MSDN pages(and pages and pages and
>......
>
>Yet again
>tia
>Bruce
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:29 
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hyperlink screen scraping
>
>
>There are at least 3 ways to do this WinHttp, Inet Api's and XMLHttp. 
>These all may require an install or a specific version of IE. It depends
>
>on what type of document you want to download a jpeg, a word Doc, text 
>file or html. It also depends on what OS you want to deploy on. I would 
>probably put the download into an OLE field and only use text into a 
>memo field.
>
>Bruce Bruen wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Dear List,
>>
>>I am sure we have covered this before (Seth?) but I cannot find
>>anything in the archives (probably cant set a good keyword).
>>
>>The database has a text field containing a hyperlink.  When the user
>>clicks a command button on a form showing the address I want to 
>>download the hyperlink document and save the contents of the page in a 
>>memo field for later scraping and processing.
>>
>>How is this done? Follow and FollowHyperlink just open IE.  Is there
>>something I am missing (apart from that!)
>>
>>
>>Tia
>>Bruce
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>
>  
>



From doug at murphyscreativity.com  Tue May 27 11:00:12 2003
From: doug at murphyscreativity.com (Doug Murphy)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 09:00:12 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] HyperLinks
In-Reply-To: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFGENJCIAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <000001c32469$0e98b240$8500a8c0@CX615377a>

Jim,

Thank you.  That makes sense.  Is there a property of a hyperlink that
indicates which type it is?  I guess I could develop a routine using the
dir function to check paths but it would be better to use a built in
property.

Doug


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 5:51 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] HyperLinks

Hi Doug:

There are kind of links, the relative or virtual link, that is the kind
you
have in your database and absolute links. A relative link only works
from a
known position, in this case your DB is in a known position (it knows
where
it is in the relative scheme of things.) When you select a hyper-link
within
the database it checks it and then prefixes the hyper-link with it's
location to create the full link.

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 6:02 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] HyperLinks


Hello List,

I have a question on the use of hyperlinks to point to files.  I have a
database that exists in a directory; C:\My Files\DBdirectory for
example.  In this directory there is a subdirectory holding files.  The
database has a table with a hyperlink field in it that contains the
relative path to a file in the subdirectory.  In other words the path to
a file might be subdirectory\filename.

It is my understanding that the hyperlink should contain the full path
to a file such as C:\My Files\DBdirectory\subdirectory\File name.  The
interesting thing is if I double click on the hyperlink the file will
open even though the hyperlink holds only the path relative to the
database.  Is this the way it is supposed to work or is this a feature
of hyperlinks in being able to resolve relative paths?

The reason I ask is that I am trying to extract the path to the file
from the hyperlink and do a file copy.  This doesn't work with the
relative path as you would expect.  If there is more info in the
hyperlink than I am extracting that would give the full path how do I
get to it?

Thanks.

Doug







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From hsimpson88 at hotmail.com  Tue May 27 11:17:33 2003
From: hsimpson88 at hotmail.com (Henry Simpson)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 10:17:33 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Overwriting open Mdb 
Message-ID: <Sea2-F36uXFsY6Mp4740002ca1a@hotmail.com>

List:

A client of mine experienced a problem that I cannot reproduce.  A WAN 
connected user was taking an offisite copy of an Access 97 mdb file from one 
server to his local drive and accidentally pasted the file to the primary 
file server in yet another remote office.  This happened last night at about 
7:30 PM and although the office is usually closed at that time, there was 
one user who had a front end application open that had a live connection to 
the data mdb and an ldb file that named all users who had been in that day.

The file server on which the data file is located is an NT Server and the 
folder on which the data was located is accessible only to users of the 
application.  I received panic phone calls at 7:30 from the person who 
accidentally pasted the file and from the user who was on.  Neither was able 
to work with the data from their applications.

I was able to connect via dial up to a Terminal Server session and 
determined that the file size and date time stamp of the primary data file 
matched the back up file server indicating that the file had been copied and 
overwritten the live and open data file.  The ldb file revealed all users 
who had been on during the course of the day were still present verifying 
that the data file had been open at the time of the overwrite.  I was able 
to delete the ldb file and replace the data file with a backup.  
Fortunately, the system makes a hot copy of the data file to two different 
remote servers and to a synchronization folder on the primary server and 
this happened at 5:45 which is 45 minutes after the office usually closes.  
Relying on the daily tape backup would have meant significant data loss but 
in this case, there was only one user whose edits were impacted and he was 
aware of the loss and able to rekey it.

Had the data file been overwritten while no one had the file open, there 
would have been no indication of a problem and any edits after 5:45 would 
have been lost without notification as the user was attempting to take the 
synch copy from the server and it was recent enough that the data loss may 
have gone unnoticed.

What my question is, and what I can't replicate is, I am unable to overwrite 
an mdb file while it is open.  I tested this several ways today.  While the 
front end is open, a persistent global connection to the data file exists.  
No matter how I tried, with and without dirty records in the back end, while 
a front end was open, I was unable to deliberately overwrite the data file.  
That the file system allowed, or appeared to allow the overwrite last night 
is certain as the file size and date time stamp matched the synch and remote 
server copies exactly.  The file size also indicated that the file had been 
saved in the backup copy compacted state as it is typically about 20% larger 
at the end of each day.  I took a copy of the apparently overwritten file 
before replacing it and it is irreovcably, with the limited tools we have at 
hand, corrupt.  If I can't deliberately overwrite the open file, how could a 
user have done it accidentally?

Hen

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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue May 27 11:30:44 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 11:30:44 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
In-Reply-To: <001701c3245c$42449d50$a7320cd8@hargrove.internal>
References: <51269.199.67.140.20.1054044734.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>
        <001701c3245c$42449d50$a7320cd8@hargrove.internal>
Message-ID: <34753.199.67.140.20.1054053044.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>

It was a first thing i tried. Gives me an error message "sub or function
not defined"


> You can try C = SUM("C13:C18")
>
> Doris Manning
> Database Administrator
> Hargrove Inc.
> www.hargroveinc.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:12 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
>
>
> He group,
> does anyone know if I can use SUM in the case below ? I can't seem to
> find it. Thanks
>
> C = Range("C13").Value + Range("C14").Value + Range("C15").Value +
> Range("C16").Value + Range("C17").Value + Range("C18").Value
>
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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Tue May 27 11:46:31 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 11:46:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F35869@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Oleg,

Then you are missing a needed reference to the Excel libraries.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com] 
Sent: Tuesday 2003 May 27 11:31
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values

It was a first thing i tried. Gives me an error message "sub or function
not defined"


> You can try C = SUM("C13:C18")
>
> Doris Manning
> Database Administrator
> Hargrove Inc.
> www.hargroveinc.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:12 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
>
>
> He group,
> does anyone know if I can use SUM in the case below ? I can't seem to 
> find it. Thanks
>
> C = Range("C13").Value + Range("C14").Value + Range("C15").Value + 
> Range("C16").Value + Range("C17").Value + Range("C18").Value

From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Tue May 27 11:51:10 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 12:51:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85CA8@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

If you're trying to sum this range in VBA code the SUM function is not a part of that library.  You have two options that I see - one is loop through the range reassigning the value of C:

<snip>
 For i = 13 to 18
  C = C + Range("C" & CStr(i))
 Next i
</snip>

or assign "=SUM("C13:C18")" to a cell's Formula property.

HTH,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 12:31 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values


It was a first thing i tried. Gives me an error message "sub or function
not defined"


> You can try C = SUM("C13:C18")
>
> Doris Manning
> Database Administrator
> Hargrove Inc.
> www.hargroveinc.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:12 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
>
>
> He group,
> does anyone know if I can use SUM in the case below ? I can't seem to
> find it. Thanks
>
> C = Range("C13").Value + Range("C14").Value + Range("C15").Value +
> Range("C16").Value + Range("C17").Value + Range("C18").Value
>
>
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue May 27 12:34:15 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 13:34:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
In-Reply-To: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F35869@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
References: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F35869@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <63253.199.67.140.20.1054056855.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>

Charles, it works fine when it has to get a single value of a cell, but
fails to do additions using formula. it is supposed to get values from one
book and paste them to another. Values A, B, C, work fine; d and e do not.
I would write out everything (like I did for C) exsept last vale supposed
to contain a sum of 60 records, and it would make the code unreadable

Workbooks.Open Filename:="L:\PCO\Artemis\CitigroupN.xls"
    A = Range("C269").Value
    B = Range("C270").Value
    c = Range("C270").Value + Range("C271").Value + Range("C272").Value
    d = Sum("C280:C291")
    e = Range("C292:C352")

 Windows("MAR_ArtemisCheck.xls").Activate
    Range("B4").Value = A
    Range("C4").Value = B
    Range("d4").Value = c
    Range("F4").Value = d
    Range("G4").Value = e
> Oleg,
>
> Then you are missing a needed reference to the Excel libraries.
>
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
> Sent: Tuesday 2003 May 27 11:31
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
>
> It was a first thing i tried. Gives me an error message "sub or function
> not defined"
>
>
>> You can try C = SUM("C13:C18")
>>
>> Doris Manning
>> Database Administrator
>> Hargrove Inc.
>> www.hargroveinc.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:12 AM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
>>
>>
>> He group,
>> does anyone know if I can use SUM in the case below ? I can't seem to
>> find it. Thanks
>>
>> C = Range("C13").Value + Range("C14").Value + Range("C15").Value +
>> Range("C16").Value + Range("C17").Value + Range("C18").Value
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Tue May 27 12:40:20 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 13:40:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85CAB@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Oleg,

I just had a thought on your syntax.  Might you have to wrap the range reference in the Range object?

Ex:
d = Sum(Range("C280:C291"))

HTH,

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:34 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values


Charles, it works fine when it has to get a single value of a cell, but
fails to do additions using formula. it is supposed to get values from one
book and paste them to another. Values A, B, C, work fine; d and e do not.
I would write out everything (like I did for C) exsept last vale supposed
to contain a sum of 60 records, and it would make the code unreadable

Workbooks.Open Filename:="L:\PCO\Artemis\CitigroupN.xls"
    A = Range("C269").Value
    B = Range("C270").Value
    c = Range("C270").Value + Range("C271").Value + Range("C272").Value
    d = Sum("C280:C291")
    e = Range("C292:C352")

 Windows("MAR_ArtemisCheck.xls").Activate
    Range("B4").Value = A
    Range("C4").Value = B
    Range("d4").Value = c
    Range("F4").Value = d
    Range("G4").Value = e
> Oleg,
>
> Then you are missing a needed reference to the Excel libraries.
>
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
> Sent: Tuesday 2003 May 27 11:31
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
>
> It was a first thing i tried. Gives me an error message "sub or function
> not defined"
>
>
>> You can try C = SUM("C13:C18")
>>
>> Doris Manning
>> Database Administrator
>> Hargrove Inc.
>> www.hargroveinc.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:12 AM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
>>
>>
>> He group,
>> does anyone know if I can use SUM in the case below ? I can't seem to
>> find it. Thanks
>>
>> C = Range("C13").Value + Range("C14").Value + Range("C15").Value +
>> Range("C16").Value + Range("C17").Value + Range("C18").Value
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue May 27 12:49:02 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 12:49:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85CA8@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
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:((
Jim, unfortunately this doesn't seem to work either. Gives some weird numbers


Workbooks.Open Filename:="L:\PCO\Artemis\associates.xls"
    A = Range("C11").Value
    B = Range("C12").Value
    C = Range("C13").Value + Range("C14").Value + Range("C15").Value

For i = 16 To 21
  E = E + Range("E" & CStr(i)).Value
 Next i

 For i = 22 To 33
  E = E + Range("E" & CStr(i)).Value
 Next i

For i = 34 To 94
  F = F + Range("F" & CStr(i)).Value
 Next i

>
> If you're trying to sum this range in VBA code the SUM function is not a
> part of that library.  You have two options that I see - one is loop
> through the range reassigning the value of C:
>
> <snip>
>  For i = 13 to 18
>   C = C + Range("C" & CStr(i))
>  Next i
> </snip>
>
> or assign "=SUM("C13:C18")" to a cell's Formula property.
>
> HTH,
>
> Jim DeMarco
> Director of Product Development
> HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 12:31 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
>
>
> It was a first thing i tried. Gives me an error message "sub or function
> not defined"
>
>
>> You can try C = SUM("C13:C18")
>>
>> Doris Manning
>> Database Administrator
>> Hargrove Inc.
>> www.hargroveinc.com
>>
>>
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>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:12 AM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
>>
>>
>> He group,
>> does anyone know if I can use SUM in the case below ? I can't seem to
>> find it. Thanks
>>
>> C = Range("C13").Value + Range("C14").Value + Range("C15").Value +
>> Range("C16").Value + Range("C17").Value + Range("C18").Value
>>
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue May 27 12:53:03 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 13:53:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85CAB@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
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nop, I get "Sum or Function not defined" When I just type s and press
spacebar I see all the reserved words starting from s, "sum" is not
there..Neither is "add"
>
> Oleg,
>
> I just had a thought on your syntax.  Might you have to wrap the range
> reference in the Range object?
>
> Ex:
> d = Sum(Range("C280:C291"))
>
> HTH,
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:34 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
>
>
> Charles, it works fine when it has to get a single value of a cell, but
> fails to do additions using formula. it is supposed to get values from
> one book and paste them to another. Values A, B, C, work fine; d and e
> do not. I would write out everything (like I did for C) exsept last vale
> supposed to contain a sum of 60 records, and it would make the code
> unreadable
>
> Workbooks.Open Filename:="L:\PCO\Artemis\CitigroupN.xls"
>     A = Range("C269").Value
>     B = Range("C270").Value
>     c = Range("C270").Value + Range("C271").Value + Range("C272").Value
> d = Sum("C280:C291")
>     e = Range("C292:C352")
>
>  Windows("MAR_ArtemisCheck.xls").Activate
>     Range("B4").Value = A
>     Range("C4").Value = B
>     Range("d4").Value = c
>     Range("F4").Value = d
>     Range("G4").Value = e
>> Oleg,
>>
>> Then you are missing a needed reference to the Excel libraries.
>>
>> Charles Wortz
>> Software Development Division
>> Texas Education Agency
>> 1701 N. Congress Ave
>> Austin, TX 78701-1494
>> 512-463-9493
>> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday 2003 May 27 11:31
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: RE: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
>>
>> It was a first thing i tried. Gives me an error message "sub or
>> function not defined"
>>
>>
>>> You can try C = SUM("C13:C18")
>>>
>>> Doris Manning
>>> Database Administrator
>>> Hargrove Inc.
>>> www.hargroveinc.com
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:12 AM
>>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>> Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
>>>
>>>
>>> He group,
>>> does anyone know if I can use SUM in the case below ? I can't seem to
>>> find it. Thanks
>>>
>>> C = Range("C13").Value + Range("C14").Value + Range("C15").Value +
>>> Range("C16").Value + Range("C17").Value + Range("C18").Value
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From COUTTSW at rjrt.com  Tue May 27 13:23:07 2003
From: COUTTSW at rjrt.com (Coutts, Welford L.)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:23:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
Message-ID: <1731B69D9D03DB49881574BBECDE6CAC675C53@wsmailp1.rjr.com>

Oleg,

To get the sum of  C292 - C353 and put that sum in C354, try :

	Range("C354").Select
	ActiveCell.FormulaR1C1 = "=SUM(R[-61]C:R[-1]C)"

HTH

-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:53 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values


nop, I get "Sum or Function not defined" When I just type s and press
spacebar I see all the reserved words starting from s, "sum" is not
there..Neither is "add"
>
> Oleg,
>
> I just had a thought on your syntax.  Might you have to wrap the range
> reference in the Range object?
>
> Ex:
> d = Sum(Range("C280:C291"))
>
> HTH,
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:34 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
>
>
> Charles, it works fine when it has to get a single value of a cell, but
> fails to do additions using formula. it is supposed to get values from
> one book and paste them to another. Values A, B, C, work fine; d and e
> do not. I would write out everything (like I did for C) exsept last vale
> supposed to contain a sum of 60 records, and it would make the code
> unreadable
>
> Workbooks.Open Filename:="L:\PCO\Artemis\CitigroupN.xls"
>     A = Range("C269").Value
>     B = Range("C270").Value
>     c = Range("C270").Value + Range("C271").Value + Range("C272").Value
> d = Sum("C280:C291")
>     e = Range("C292:C352")
>
>  Windows("MAR_ArtemisCheck.xls").Activate
>     Range("B4").Value = A
>     Range("C4").Value = B
>     Range("d4").Value = c
>     Range("F4").Value = d
>     Range("G4").Value = e
>> Oleg,
>>
>> Then you are missing a needed reference to the Excel libraries.
>>
>> Charles Wortz
>> Software Development Division
>> Texas Education Agency
>> 1701 N. Congress Ave
>> Austin, TX 78701-1494
>> 512-463-9493
>> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday 2003 May 27 11:31
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: RE: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
>>
>> It was a first thing i tried. Gives me an error message "sub or
>> function not defined"
>>
>>
>>> You can try C = SUM("C13:C18")
>>>
>>> Doris Manning
>>> Database Administrator
>>> Hargrove Inc.
>>> www.hargroveinc.com
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:12 AM
>>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>> Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
>>>
>>>
>>> He group,
>>> does anyone know if I can use SUM in the case below ? I can't seem to
>>> find it. Thanks
>>>
>>> C = Range("C13").Value + Range("C14").Value + Range("C15").Value +
>>> Range("C16").Value + Range("C17").Value + Range("C18").Value
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue May 27 13:36:42 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:36:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
In-Reply-To: <1731B69D9D03DB49881574BBECDE6CAC675C53@wsmailp1.rjr.com>
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Well the thing is its in 2 different workbooks...like this

Workbooks.Open Filename:="L:\PCO\Artemis\CitigroupN.xls"
    A = Range("C269").Value
    B = Range("C270").Value
    C = Range("C271").Value + Range("C272").Value + Range("C273").Value

    D = Range("C274").Value + Range("C275").Value + Range("C276").Value +
Range("C277").Value + Range("C278").Value + Range("C279").Value

    E = Range("C280").Value + Range("C281").Value + Range("C282").Value +
Range("C283").Value + Range("C284").Value + Range("C285").Value +
Range("C286").Value + Range("C287").Value + Range("C288").Value +
Range("C289").Value + Range("C290").Value + Range("C291").Value




 Windows("MAR_ArtemisCheck.xls").Activate
    Range("B4").Value = A
    Range("C4").Value = B
    Range("D4").Value = C
    Range("E4").Value = D
    Range("F4").Value = E
    Range("G4").Value = F


>
> Oleg,
>
> To get the sum of  C292 - C353 and put that sum in C354, try :
>
> 	Range("C354").Select
> 	ActiveCell.FormulaR1C1 = "=SUM(R[-61]C:R[-1]C)"
>
> HTH
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:53 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
>
>
> nop, I get "Sum or Function not defined" When I just type s and press
> spacebar I see all the reserved words starting from s, "sum" is not
> there..Neither is "add"
>>
>> Oleg,
>>
>> I just had a thought on your syntax.  Might you have to wrap the range
>> reference in the Range object?
>>
>> Ex:
>> d = Sum(Range("C280:C291"))
>>
>> HTH,
>>
>> Jim DeMarco
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:34 PM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: RE: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
>>
>>
>> Charles, it works fine when it has to get a single value of a cell,
>> but fails to do additions using formula. it is supposed to get values
>> from one book and paste them to another. Values A, B, C, work fine; d
>> and e do not. I would write out everything (like I did for C) exsept
>> last vale supposed to contain a sum of 60 records, and it would make
>> the code unreadable
>>
>> Workbooks.Open Filename:="L:\PCO\Artemis\CitigroupN.xls"
>>     A = Range("C269").Value
>>     B = Range("C270").Value
>>     c = Range("C270").Value + Range("C271").Value +
>> Range("C272").Value
>> d = Sum("C280:C291")
>>     e = Range("C292:C352")
>>
>>  Windows("MAR_ArtemisCheck.xls").Activate
>>     Range("B4").Value = A
>>     Range("C4").Value = B
>>     Range("d4").Value = c
>>     Range("F4").Value = d
>>     Range("G4").Value = e
>>> Oleg,
>>>
>>> Then you are missing a needed reference to the Excel libraries.
>>>
>>> Charles Wortz
>>> Software Development Division
>>> Texas Education Agency
>>> 1701 N. Congress Ave
>>> Austin, TX 78701-1494
>>> 512-463-9493
>>> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday 2003 May 27 11:31
>>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>> Subject: RE: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
>>>
>>> It was a first thing i tried. Gives me an error message "sub or
>>> function not defined"
>>>
>>>
>>>> You can try C = SUM("C13:C18")
>>>>
>>>> Doris Manning
>>>> Database Administrator
>>>> Hargrove Inc.
>>>> www.hargroveinc.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>>>> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:12 AM
>>>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> He group,
>>>> does anyone know if I can use SUM in the case below ? I can't seem
>>>> to find it. Thanks
>>>>
>>>> C = Range("C13").Value + Range("C14").Value + Range("C15").Value +
>>>> Range("C16").Value + Range("C17").Value + Range("C18").Value
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From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca  Tue May 27 13:36:41 2003
From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:36:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
Message-ID: <sed377fd.077@cbc.ca>

Sorry for coming to the party late, but give this a shot:

dim rng as range
dim dblAnswer as Double

set rng = Worksheets("Sheet1").Range("C13:C18")
dblAnswer = WorksheetFunction.Sum(rng)

Debug.print dblAnswer

WorksheetFunction will allow you to use some Excel Worksheet functions in your VBA code.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca


>>> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com 27-May-03 12:30:44 PM >>>
It was a first thing i tried. Gives me an error message "sub or function
not defined"


> You can try C = SUM("C13:C18")
>
> Doris Manning

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com 

> He group,
> does anyone know if I can use SUM in the case below ? I can't seem to
> find it. Thanks
>
> C = Range("C13").Value + Range("C14").Value + Range("C15").Value +
> Range("C16").Value + Range("C17").Value + Range("C18").Value



From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Tue May 27 14:28:08 2003
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 15:28:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Help with Combo Box
Message-ID: <FED384E544086A47AAC07C0999BE8D17607046@albmsx2k.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

I have two combo boxes and I'm trying to limit the contents of the
second combo box based on the selection made in the first box.  I'm
obviously doing something wrong because the second combo box saving the
value of the first box in the table.

For the Row Source of the 2nd  combo box I have:

 

SELECT ComplaintGeneralCode, ComplaintSpecificDesc

FROM tblComplaintSpecific

WHERE ComplaintGeneralCode =
Forms!SF_Complaints_New!cboComplaintGeneral;

 

For the 1st combo box I have:

 

Private Sub cboComplaintGeneral_AfterUpdate()

Me!cboComplaintSpecific.Requery

End Sub

 

Table tblComplaintGeneral has two fields: ComplaintGeneralCode
(autonumber), ComplaintGeneralDesc (text)

Table tblComplaintSpecific has 3 fields:  ComplaintSpecificCode
(autonumber), ComplaintGeneralCode (long integer), ComplaintSpecificDesc
(text)

 

In addition, when I try to close the form I get a parameter window
asking for a value for Forms!SF_Complaints_New!cboComplaintGeneral

 

Any help is greatly appreciated.

 

Ed

 
Edward P. Tesiny
New York State OASAS
Evaluation and Program Monitoring
1450 Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 
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From DElam at jenkens.com  Tue May 27 14:32:51 2003
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:32:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Help with Combo Box
Message-ID: <4AAC675EBAF3D411BCA200508BCFAA8E02F21927@NATEXCH1>

What is your bound column.  By default this query will bind
ConplaintGeneralCode, which is the value from the first combo box.
 
Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Tesiny, Ed [mailto:EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us]
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 2:28 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Help with Combo Box



I have two combo boxes and I'm trying to limit the contents of the second
combo box based on the selection made in the first box.  I'm obviously doing
something wrong because the second combo box saving the value of the first
box in the table.

For the Row Source of the 2nd  combo box I have:

 

SELECT ComplaintGeneralCode, ComplaintSpecificDesc

FROM tblComplaintSpecific

WHERE ComplaintGeneralCode = Forms!SF_Complaints_New!cboComplaintGeneral;

 

For the 1st combo box I have:

 

Private Sub cboComplaintGeneral_AfterUpdate()

Me!cboComplaintSpecific.Requery

End Sub

 

Table tblComplaintGeneral has two fields: ComplaintGeneralCode (autonumber),
ComplaintGeneralDesc (text)

Table tblComplaintSpecific has 3 fields:  ComplaintSpecificCode
(autonumber), ComplaintGeneralCode (long integer), ComplaintSpecificDesc
(text)

 

In addition, when I try to close the form I get a parameter window asking
for a value for Forms!SF_Complaints_New!cboComplaintGeneral

 

Any help is greatly appreciated.

 

Ed

 
Edward P. Tesiny
New York State OASAS
Evaluation and Program Monitoring
1450 Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 



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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Tue May 27 14:33:05 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: 27 May 2003 20:33:05 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT .NET
Message-ID: <200305271933.UAA25472@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

I need someone to check the following example for me. Its a bit of C Sharp. 
Can you see if you get any sort of message when you try it out. Just want 
to confirm the results I get here.

You will need Dreamweaver MX to test this. Oh and the .NET Framework (<: 
Just cut and past the following script into a DW MX page, save into a locla 
web site and view at http://localhost/filename.

Martin


<%@ Page Language="C#" ContentType="text/html" 
ResponseEncoding="iso-8859-1" %> <%@ Register TagPrefix="MM" 
Namespace="DreamweaverCtrls" 
Assembly="DreamweaverCtrls,version=1.0.0.0,publicKeyToken=836f606ede05d46a,culture=neutral" 
%>

<html>
<head>
<title>Register</title>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
<link href="home.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css">
</head>
<body bgcolor="#000000" leftmargin="0" topmargin="0" marginwidth="0">
<form method="post" name="form2" runat="server">

<table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0">

  <tr>
    <td><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="10">

      <tr>
        <td><table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" 
bgcolor="#CCCC99">
          <tr>
            <td align="left" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" 
cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0">
              <tr>
                <td><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" 
cellpadding="10">
                    <tr>
                      <td align="left" valign="top"><div align="center">
                          <h3>Create An Account</h3>
                          <p align="left">To register, fill out the form 
below.
                            Most boxes are optional. Boxes with * next to 
them
                            are mandatory. </p>
                      </div>
                      </td>
                    </tr>
                  </table>
                </td>
              </tr>
              <tr>
                <td align="left" valign="top">
                                 <table width="100%" align="center" 
cellpadding="10" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class="tablebrdr">
                            <tr valign="baseline"> 
                              <td width="37%" align="left" valign="top"> 
Password
                                (must be between 5 and 20 characters <span 
class="red"><strong>and
                                contain at least one number and 
letter</strong></span>):
                              </td>
                              <td width="15%" align="left" valign="top"> 
                                <asp:textbox Columns="32" 
ID="EnterPassword" runat="server" Text="Enter Your Password" 
TextMode="Password" />
                                * </td>
                              <td width="48%" rowspan="3" align="left" 
valign="top"><div align="left">
                                  <p> 
                                    <asp:requiredfieldvalidator 
ControlToValidate="EnterPassword" Display="Static" 
EnableClientScript="true" ErrorMessage="Better Give Me a Password!" 
ID="vRequiredValidator" InitialValue="Enter Your Password" runat="server" 
Text="You must enter a password" />
                                    &nbsp; </p>
                                </div>
                                <p>&nbsp; </p></td>
                            </tr>
                            <tr valign="baseline"> 
                              <td align="left" valign="top"> Password (must 
match
                                above Password):</td>
                              <td align="left" valign="top"><asp:textbox 
ID="CPassword" TextMode="Password" Columns="32" runat="server" />
                                * </td>
                            </tr>
                            <tr valign="baseline"> 
                              <td  align="left" valign="top">&nbsp;</td>
                              <td align="left" valign="top"><input 
name="submit" type="submit" value="Create Account">
                              </td>
                            </tr>
                          </table>
						  </td>
              </tr>
            </table></td>
          </tr>
   
        </table></td>
      </tr>
    </table></td>
  </tr>
</table>

</form>
</body>
</html>


From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Tue May 27 14:45:30 2003
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 15:45:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Help with Combo Box
Message-ID: <FED384E544086A47AAC07C0999BE8D175B704F@albmsx2k.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Ooops, your right, bound to column 1.

Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us


-----Original Message-----
From: Elam, Debbie [mailto:DElam at jenkens.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 3:33 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help with Combo Box


What is your bound column.  By default this query will bind
ConplaintGeneralCode, which is the value from the first combo box.
 
Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Tesiny, Ed [mailto:EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us]
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 2:28 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Help with Combo Box



I have two combo boxes and I'm trying to limit the contents of the
second combo box based on the selection made in the first box.  I'm
obviously doing something wrong because the second combo box saving the
value of the first box in the table.

For the Row Source of the 2nd  combo box I have:

 

SELECT ComplaintGeneralCode, ComplaintSpecificDesc

FROM tblComplaintSpecific

WHERE ComplaintGeneralCode =
Forms!SF_Complaints_New!cboComplaintGeneral;

 

For the 1st combo box I have:

 

Private Sub cboComplaintGeneral_AfterUpdate()

Me!cboComplaintSpecific.Requery

End Sub

 

Table tblComplaintGeneral has two fields: ComplaintGeneralCode
(autonumber), ComplaintGeneralDesc (text)

Table tblComplaintSpecific has 3 fields:  ComplaintSpecificCode
(autonumber), ComplaintGeneralCode (long integer), ComplaintSpecificDesc
(text)

 

In addition, when I try to close the form I get a parameter window
asking for a value for Forms!SF_Complaints_New!cboComplaintGeneral

 

Any help is greatly appreciated.

 

Ed

 
Edward P. Tesiny
New York State OASAS
Evaluation and Program Monitoring
1450 Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 



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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Tue May 27 14:44:13 2003
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 23:44:13 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Writing raw RTF document using
	VB/VBA/C(++)/DELPHI/...
References: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29410@nnse14.nns.com>
	<5614351436.20030524150347@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000b01c32488$f38b9830$b501010a@DAISY.local>

Hi All,

I'd like to say big thanks to everybody who posted here the references on
the subj - they all are very useful! Thanks a lot!

BTW, I'm hurrying now on 'must see' event:

"Hiro Yamagata's laser show commemorating the 300th anniversary of St.
Petersburg will be held on May 27, 30 and 31, 2003 at the central part of
the Neva river. According to press service of MDM Bank (which is the sponsor
of the project), Hiro Yamagata who has considerable experience in working
with water and water surfaces is going to implement an idea of lighting all
the three bridges in front of Palace Embankment and the surface of the Neva
river. In addition, the show will cover the frontal part of the Hermitage
(facing the Neva) which will be used like a screen for changing laser rays
and laser pictures. St. Petersburg will become the first Russian city where
it will be possible to see the art of the great Japanese artist. "

http://300online.ru/en/articles/n900182_0.htm
http://www.300.ru/pages/news_spb.phtml?newsid=101#101

Hopefully I will be able to make some pictures of this show...

Thanks again for all your help,
Shamil


----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Writing raw RTF document using
VB/VBA/C(++)/DELPHI/...


> Hi Shamil
>
> I once located these links to a compact list of codes (not sure of the
> version) and some simple code examples:
>
>   http://thorkildsen.no/faqsys/docs/rtf.txt
>
>   http://www.codeguru.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=233068
>
>
> My simple need (which I never got solved) was how to assemble an
> rtf-formatted field from many records (essentially each an rtf
> document) into one rtf document, stripping headers etc. from each
> record and adding a header etc. to the final document.
>
> So if you come up with a routine for parsing an rtf string, at least
> extracting the content including bold, underline, and italic
> attributes, I would be pleased to see it.
>
> Here's a link to a class in RealBasic for parsing a subset of rtf
> formatted text. I guess you can download a trial version of RealBasic
> to study it:
>
>   http://www.belle-nuit.com/realbasic/rtfparser.html
>
> In Java life is easier:
>
>
http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.1/docs/api/javax/swing/text/rtf/RTFEditorKit.ht
ml
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > Bryan's link points to v1.6 of the RTF spec.  But, if you're interested,
I
> > was poking around and found a download link (watch for wrap) for v1.7.
>
>
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=E5B8EBC2-6AD6-49F0-
8C90-E4F763E3F04F&displaylang=en
>
> > Mark
>
>
> > RTF Files are just plain old ascii text. So Low level File I/O will work
to
> > write it.
>
> > The biggest challenge would be to get the text string correct before
writing
> > them out to the file.
>
> > Here is a link to the RTF spec.
>
>
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/?url=/library/en-us/dnrtfspec/html/rtfspec
.asp?frame=true
>
> > As for PDF, here is the link to the PDF Specs.
>
> http://partners.adobe.com/asn/acrobat/docs.jsp#filefmtspecs
>
> > Bryan Carbonnell
> > bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca
>
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From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Tue May 27 14:52:30 2003
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 15:52:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Help with Combo Box
Message-ID: <FED384E544086A47AAC07C0999BE8D175B7050@albmsx2k.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Debbie,
I added ComplaintSpecificCode to the query and bound on this column.  It
saved the correct value but a parameter box still pops up.  Any idea
why?

Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us


-----Original Message-----
From: Tesiny, Ed 
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 3:46 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help with Combo Box


Ooops, your right, bound to column 1.

Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us


-----Original Message-----
From: Elam, Debbie [mailto:DElam at jenkens.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 3:33 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help with Combo Box


What is your bound column.  By default this query will bind
ConplaintGeneralCode, which is the value from the first combo box.
 
Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Tesiny, Ed [mailto:EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us]
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 2:28 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Help with Combo Box



I have two combo boxes and I'm trying to limit the contents of the
second combo box based on the selection made in the first box.  I'm
obviously doing something wrong because the second combo box saving the
value of the first box in the table.

For the Row Source of the 2nd  combo box I have:

 

SELECT ComplaintGeneralCode, ComplaintSpecificDesc

FROM tblComplaintSpecific

WHERE ComplaintGeneralCode =
Forms!SF_Complaints_New!cboComplaintGeneral;

 

For the 1st combo box I have:

 

Private Sub cboComplaintGeneral_AfterUpdate()

Me!cboComplaintSpecific.Requery

End Sub

 

Table tblComplaintGeneral has two fields: ComplaintGeneralCode
(autonumber), ComplaintGeneralDesc (text)

Table tblComplaintSpecific has 3 fields:  ComplaintSpecificCode
(autonumber), ComplaintGeneralCode (long integer), ComplaintSpecificDesc
(text)

 

In addition, when I try to close the form I get a parameter window
asking for a value for Forms!SF_Complaints_New!cboComplaintGeneral

 

Any help is greatly appreciated.

 

Ed

 
Edward P. Tesiny
New York State OASAS
Evaluation and Program Monitoring
1450 Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 



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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue May 27 15:01:08 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 15:01:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Help with Combo Box
In-Reply-To: <FED384E544086A47AAC07C0999BE8D17607046@albmsx2k.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
Message-ID: <001d01c3248a$b9a8a570$de1811d8@DanWaters>

Ed,
 
Two very quick comments -
 
1) Use Me.Refresh instead of Me.Requery.  Me.Requery is only needed if you
have changed the query itself.  Me.Refresh is used when the underlying data
has changed and you just want to re-run the existing query or recordsource,
as in your case.  Access help goes into detail on the differences between
these two commands.
 
2)  If you have a 1 - Many relationship established between the
ComplaintGeneralCode fields in the two lookup tables, remove it.   
 
HTH,
Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:28 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Help with Combo Box



I have two combo boxes and I'm trying to limit the contents of the second
combo box based on the selection made in the first box.  I'm obviously doing
something wrong because the second combo box saving the value of the first
box in the table.

For the Row Source of the 2nd  combo box I have:

 

SELECT ComplaintGeneralCode, ComplaintSpecificDesc

FROM tblComplaintSpecific

WHERE ComplaintGeneralCode = Forms!SF_Complaints_New!cboComplaintGeneral;

 

For the 1st combo box I have:

 

Private Sub cboComplaintGeneral_AfterUpdate()

Me!cboComplaintSpecific.Requery

End Sub

 

Table tblComplaintGeneral has two fields: ComplaintGeneralCode (autonumber),
ComplaintGeneralDesc (text)

Table tblComplaintSpecific has 3 fields:  ComplaintSpecificCode
(autonumber), ComplaintGeneralCode (long integer), ComplaintSpecificDesc
(text)

 

In addition, when I try to close the form I get a parameter window asking
for a value for Forms!SF_Complaints_New!cboComplaintGeneral

 

Any help is greatly appreciated.

 

Ed

 
Edward P. Tesiny
New York State OASAS
Evaluation and Program Monitoring
1450 Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 

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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Tue May 27 15:43:12 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: 27 May 2003 21:43:12 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT Regular Expressions
Message-ID: <200305272043.VAA26213@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

[a-zA-Z]+\w*\d+\w*"

What does the above regular expression do???



Martin



From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue May 27 16:12:56 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 16:12:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Basic Design Question
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802226C99@main2.marlow.com>

Hmmm, just off hand, to be simple on this, just add a field to both tables
and set it's default value to 1.  Then you can 'join' the tables on that
field.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Darren DICK [mailto:d.dick at uws.edu.au]
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 7:03 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K: Basic Design Question


Hi Susan
Thanks for the reply
tblReminders has hundreds of records in it with about 7 or 8 fields.
tblOptions will only ever have 1 record in it with about 5 or 6 fields.

Nothing in tblOptions relates to anything in tbleReminders.
tblReminders has date, time, YesNo flags and text fields that hold info
about appointments.

tblOptions has similar fields but hold local settings info eg how long a
timer interval is
the path for various logos, paths for sound files etc. There will only ever
be one record in this
table

Thanks again

Darren




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Harkins" <harkins at iglou.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K: Basic Design Question


> You're specifying these options for each record in the continuous form?
If
> that's the case, why not just base the form on a multi-table query? I
> probably don't understand the question. :)
> 
> Susan H.
> 
> 
> > Hello all
> >  I have a continuous form that has varying recordsets.
> > Pretty much the same data but with things like...
> > Show for a Date or a Date Range Show for Completed/ Not Completed
> > Show for Future/Past/Next week etc etc. All held in tblReminders
> >
> > I have a set of options all held in tblOptions.
> > I want the settings kept in the options table to be presented to the
user
> in the
> > footer of the continuous form. But I can't get the 2 together because
they
> have
> > no matching record. I can't put the options in a sub form because you
> can't have
> > a sub form in a continuous form.
> > I though about a union query but that means I would have to manage all
the
> > current RecordSet setting in pure SQL  - I'm not good enough for that.
> >
> > Anyway how do you guys handle these situations?
> >
> > Many thanks in advance
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue May 27 16:21:28 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 07:21:28 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] HyperLinks
In-Reply-To: <000001c32469$0e98b240$8500a8c0@CX615377a>
References: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFGENJCIAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <3ED46378.28983.3030EB@localhost>

On 27 May 2003 at 9:00, Doug Murphy wrote:

> Jim,
> 
> Thank you.  That makes sense.  Is there a property of a hyperlink that
> indicates which type it is?  I guess I could develop a routine using
> the dir function to check paths but it would be better to use a built
> in property.
> 

Not built in, but Mid$(myLink,2,1) = ":" will only return True if it 
is a full path.





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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue May 27 16:41:15 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 07:41:15 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT Regular Expressions
In-Reply-To: <200305272043.VAA26213@hosea.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <3ED4681B.24532.424C5F@localhost>

On 27 May 2003 at 21:43, Martin Reid wrote:

> [a-zA-Z]+\w*\d+\w*"
> 
> What does the above regular expression do???
> 

A list of characters enclosed by [ and ] matches any single character 
in that list; if the first character of the list is the caret ^ then 
it matches any character not in the list.

+      The preceding item will be matched one or more times.
*      The preceding item will be matched zero or more times.

The symbol \w is a synonym for [[:alnum:]] and \W is a synonym for 
[^[:alnum]].

You've got me beat with the "\d" are you sure about that one? 

So:

[a-zA-Z]+   any string of at least one alpha character
\w*             followed by zero of more alphanumerics
\d+            followed by one or more "\d"s  ???????
\W*           followed by zero or more non-alphanumerics



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From doug at murphyscreativity.com  Tue May 27 16:44:24 2003
From: doug at murphyscreativity.com (Doug Murphy)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:44:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] HyperLinks
In-Reply-To: <3ED46378.28983.3030EB@localhost>
Message-ID: <001601c32499$23d25910$8500a8c0@CX615377a>

Hi Stuart,

Good idea but it won't work in this case because the files are on a
network drive and path is given by UNC.  I think testing for file
existence using Dir is the surest way to go.

Thank you for your input.

Doug

Douglas Murphy
Murphy's Creativity
(619) 334-5121
doug at murphyscreativity.com
www.murphyscreativity.com



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Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 2:21 PM
To: Doug Murphy; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] HyperLinks

On 27 May 2003 at 9:00, Doug Murphy wrote:

> Jim,
> 
> Thank you.  That makes sense.  Is there a property of a hyperlink that
> indicates which type it is?  I guess I could develop a routine using
> the dir function to check paths but it would be better to use a built
> in property.
> 

Not built in, but Mid$(myLink,2,1) = ":" will only return True if it 
is a full path.





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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue May 27 18:13:26 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 16:13:26 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT Regular Expressions
References: <200305272043.VAA26213@hosea.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <3ED3F116.8070005@shaw.ca>



Martin Reid wrote:

> [a-zA-Z]+\w*\d+\w*"
>
> What does the above regular expression do???
>
>
>
> Martin

 Here is a Regular Expression documentor I got permission to use a few 
years back
from Don Edwards.

gives you
any of
Followed by a, -, z, A, -, Z one or more times
Followed by word-char zero or more times
Followed by digit one or more times
Followed by word-char zero or more times


'  Attribute VB_Name = "mDocumenter"
' 'From: Don Edwards <don.edwards at ci.seattle.wa.us>
' see regexpressions at www.vbxml.com or www.topxml.com

Public Const TestExpr As String = _
        "^[\w\-]+(\.[\w\-]{2,})*@[\w\-]+(\.[\w\-]{2,})*$"
Public gtxtPatternDescription As String
Private bForceLine As Boolean
Private bNewline As Boolean
Private bIndent As Boolean
Private bFollowed As Boolean
Private lM As Long
Private lH As Long
Private lPattern As Long
Private sIn As String, sOut As String
'From: Don Edwards <don.edwards at ci.seattle.wa.us>

Sub TestDocReg()
'Debug.Print RegExpD("^[\w\-]+(\.[\w\-]{2,})*@[\w\-]+(\.[\w\-]{2,})*$")
'Debug.Print 
RegExpD("^[01]?\s*[\(\.-]?(\d{3})[\)\.-]?\s*(\d{3})[\.-](\d{4})$")
Debug.Print RegExpD("/.//created/@month")
Debug.Print RegExpD("@* | * | pi() | comment() | text()")
End Sub

Private Sub NewLine(ByVal lIndent As Long)
Static lLineStart As Long
    If sOut = "" Then Exit Sub
    If lLineStart > Len(sOut) Or lLineStart = 0 Then lLineStart = 1
    If Trim(Mid(sOut, lLineStart)) = "" Then Exit Sub
    If bNewline Then sOut = sOut & vbCrLf
    If bIndent And (lIndent > 0) Then sOut = sOut & Space(lIndent)
    If bFollowed Then sOut = sOut & "Followed by"
   
    lLineStart = Len(sOut) + 1
   
    bForceLine = False
End Sub

Private Sub AddOn(ByVal sAdd As String, _
    ByVal lIndent As Long, Optional ByVal pbForceLine As Boolean = False)
   
    If bForceLine Or pbForceLine Then NewLine lIndent
   
    If Len(sOut) = 0 And Left(sAdd, 1) = " " Then
        sAdd = Mid(sAdd, 2)
    ElseIf Right(sOut, 1) = " " And Left(sAdd, 1) = " " Then
        sAdd = Mid(sAdd, 2)
    ElseIf Len(sOut) >= Len(vbCrLf) And Left(sAdd, 1) = " " Then
        If Right(sOut, Len(vbCrLf)) = vbCrLf Then
            sAdd = Mid(sAdd, 2)
        End If
    End If
   
    sOut = sOut & sAdd
       
    If Len(sAdd) < Len(vbCrLf) Then
        bNewline = True
    Else
        bNewline = (Right(sAdd, Len(vbCrLf)) <> vbCrLf)
    End If
    bNewline = True
    bIndent = True
    bFollowed = True
End Sub

Public Function RegExpD(ByVal rexIn As String) As String
    lH = 1
    lM = Len(rexIn)
    lPattern = 0
    sIn = rexIn
    sOut = ""
    bNewline = True
    bFollowed = False
    bIndent = True
    Debug.Print lH, lM
    Do
        RegExpD2 0
    Loop Until lH > lM
    RegExpD = sOut
End Function

Public Sub RegExpD2(ByVal lIndent As Long)
    Dim lP As Long
    Do Until lH > lM
        Select Case Mid(sIn, lH, 1)
        Case "^":
            AddOn " Start of input", lIndent
            lH = lH + 1
            bForceLine = True
            bNewline = True
        Case "$":
            AddOn " End of input", lIndent
            lH = lH + 1
            bForceLine = True
            bNewline = True
        Case "*":
            bForceLine = False
            AddOn " zero or more times", lIndent
            lH = lH + 1
            bForceLine = True
            bNewline = True
        Case "+":
            bForceLine = False
            AddOn " one or more times", lIndent
            lH = lH + 1
            bForceLine = True
            bNewline = True
        Case "?":
            bForceLine = False
            AddOn " zero or one times", lIndent
            lH = lH + 1
            bForceLine = True
            bNewline = True
        Case ".":
            AddOn " any non-newline", lIndent
            lH = lH + 1
            bNewline = True
        Case "(":
            lPattern = lPattern + 1
            lP = lPattern
            lH = lH + 1
            AddOn " Pattern-" & CStr(lPattern) & ": (", True
            bForceLine = True
            bFollowed = False
           
            RegExpD2 lIndent + 4
           
            bFollowed = False
            AddOn ")-end-Pattern-" & CStr(lP), lIndent, True
            bForceLine = True
            bNewline = True
        Case ")":
            lH = lH + 1
            Exit Sub
        Case "|":
            lH = lH + 1
            AddOn " or", lIndent
            bNewline = True
        Case "{":
            bForceLine = False
            lH = lH + 1
            AddOn " ", lIndent
            Do
                If lH > lM Then Exit Do
                Select Case Mid(sIn, lH, 1)
                Case "}":
                    AddOn " times", lIndent
                    lH = lH + 1
                    Exit Do
                Case ",":
                    lH = lH + 1
                    If Mid(sIn, lH, 1) = "}" Then
                        AddOn " or more", lIndent
                    Else
                        AddOn " to ", lIndent
                    End If
                Case Else:
                    AddOn Mid(sIn, lH, 1), lIndent
                    lH = lH + 1
                End Select
            Loop
            bForceLine = True
            bNewline = True
        Case "[":
            lH = lH + 1
            If Mid(sIn, lH, 1) = "^" Then
                AddOn " any except", lIndent, True
            Else
                AddOn " any of", lIndent, True
            End If
            lP = lH
            Do
                If lH > lM Then Exit Do
                If lH <> lP Then
                    AddOn ",", lIndent
                End If
                ParseChar lIndent
            Loop Until Mid(sIn, lH, 1) = "]"
            lH = lH + 1
            bForceLine = True
            bNewline = True
        Case "/":
            lH = lH + 1
            AddOn " Char-", lIndent, True
            Do
                If lH > lM Then Exit Do
                If Mid(sIn, lH, 1) = "/" Then Exit Do
                AddOn Mid(sIn, lH, 1), lIndent
                lH = lH + 1
            Loop
            lH = lH + 1
            bNewline = True
        Case "\":
            ParseChar lIndent
            bNewline = True
        Case " ": AddOn " space", lIndent
            lH = lH + 1
            bNewline = True
        Case ",": AddOn " comma", lIndent
            lH = lH + 1
            bNewline = True
        Case Else: AddOn " " & Mid(sIn, lH, 1), lIndent
            lH = lH + 1
            bNewline = True
        End Select
    Loop
End Sub

Private Sub ParseChar(ByVal lIndent As Long)
    Select Case Mid(sIn, lH, 1)
    Case "\":
        lH = lH + 1
        Select Case Mid(sIn, lH, 1)
        Case "b": AddOn " word-edge", lIndent
        Case "B": AddOn " not-word-edge", lIndent
        Case "d": AddOn " digit", lIndent
        Case "D": AddOn " not-digit", lIndent
        Case "f": AddOn " formfeed", lIndent
        Case "n": AddOn " newline", lIndent
        Case "r": AddOn " return", lIndent
        Case "s": AddOn " whitespace", lIndent
        Case "S": AddOn " non-whitespace", lIndent
        Case "t": AddOn " tab", lIndent
        Case "v": AddOn " vertical-tab", lIndent
        Case "w": AddOn " word-char", lIndent
        Case "W": AddOn " not-word-char", lIndent
        Case "1" To "9": AddOn " Pattern-", lIndent
            Do
                AddOn Mid(sIn, lH, 1), lIndent
                lH = lH + 1
                If lH > lM Then Exit Do
                If InStr("0123456789", Mid(sIn, lH, 1)) = 0 Then Exit Do
            Loop
            lH = lH - 1
        Case Else:
            AddOn " " & Mid(sIn, lH, 1), lIndent
        End Select
        lH = lH + 1
    Case " ": AddOn " space", lIndent
        lH = lH + 1
    Case ",": AddOn " comma", lIndent
        lH = lH + 1
    Case Else: AddOn " " & Mid(sIn, lH, 1), lIndent
        lH = lH + 1
    End Select
End Sub




From kathryn at bassett.net  Tue May 27 18:35:22 2003
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 16:35:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Specifying where to open browser
Message-ID: <JGENLKHHDJPDMMDICAKIOEMMEOAB.kathryn@bassett.net>

There is an event procudure that opens the "look in" browser. What would I add to the below (and where) to get the blasted thing to open in the center of my screen instead of the upper left of the screen. I need to see upper left portion of the underlying form, to remind me of the name of the person I'm looking for in the "look in", and the way it is now, I have to drag it out of the way.

Thanks,

Private Sub btnbrowse_Click()
         Dim OpenFile As OPENFILENAME
         Dim lReturn As Long
         Dim sFilter As String
         OpenFile.lStructSize = Len(OpenFile)
         OpenFile.hwndOwner = Me.hWnd
         OpenFile.hInstance = 0
         sFilter = "" & Chr(0)
         OpenFile.lpstrFilter = sFilter
         OpenFile.nFilterIndex = 1
         OpenFile.lpstrFile = String(257, 0)
         OpenFile.nMaxFile = Len(OpenFile.lpstrFile) - 1
         OpenFile.lpstrFileTitle = OpenFile.lpstrFile
         OpenFile.nMaxFileTitle = OpenFile.nMaxFile
         ' Start looking in the same directory as the database
         OpenFile.lpstrInitialDir = "D:\MyFiles\Online\muir63\photos63\"
         ' Set the caption on the dialog
         OpenFile.lpstrTitle = "Select Photo"
         OpenFile.flags = 0
         lReturn = GetOpenFileName(OpenFile)
         txtPhoto = Left$(OpenFile.lpstrFile, InStr(OpenFile.lpstrFile, Chr$(0)) - 1)

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"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue May 27 19:22:02 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:22:02 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] HyperLinks
In-Reply-To: <001601c32499$23d25910$8500a8c0@CX615377a>
References: <3ED46378.28983.3030EB@localhost>
Message-ID: <3ED48DCA.15130.D582B6@localhost>

On 27 May 2003 at 14:44, Doug Murphy wrote:

> Hi Stuart,
> 
> Good idea but it won't work in this case because the files are on a
> network drive and path is given by UNC.  I think testing for file
> existence using Dir is the surest way to go.
> 
> Thank you for your input.
> 

In that case

Left$(myLink,2) = "\\" will be true only if it's a full UNC path


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From MPorter at acsalaska.com  Tue May 27 19:38:49 2003
From: MPorter at acsalaska.com (Porter, Mark)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 16:38:49 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch
Message-ID: <BFBC9BAC6169D411890000508BAE2C53031207C0@acsexch4.corp.acsalaska.com>


I have a secured Access 2000 file format database and want to use the
/wrkgrp command line switch in a shortcut to associate with the workgroup on
startup.  This command switch is not working 
( F:\sis\CCA_App.mdb /WRKGRP "F:\sis\CCA_Workgroup.mdw" )

the user accesses the correct file but under the system.mdw workgroup.  

I've verified that the file locations and the spelling are all correct.  Any
ideas?

Thanks,

Mark


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From SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au  Tue May 27 19:46:06 2003
From: SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au (Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:46:06 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch
References: <BFBC9BAC6169D411890000508BAE2C53031207C0@acsexch4.corp.acsalaska.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c324b2$85e9da60$54dd31d2@OfficePC>

Hi Mark - Here's my copy of normal syntax for the line.  Maybe put your F:\sis\CCA_App.mdb  in quotes?  If that doesn't work I would try a workgroup name with no underscore??

"C:\Program Files\Office2K\Office\MSACCESS.EXE"  "c:\MyDatabase.mdb"
/WRKGRP "W:\Security\MySecurityFile.mdw"

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Porter, Mark 
  To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:38 AM
  Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch



  I have a secured Access 2000 file format database and want to use the
  /wrkgrp command line switch in a shortcut to associate with the workgroup on
  startup.  This command switch is not working 
  ( F:\sis\CCA_App.mdb /WRKGRP "F:\sis\CCA_Workgroup.mdw" )

  the user accesses the correct file but under the system.mdw workgroup.  

  I've verified that the file locations and the spelling are all correct.  Any
  ideas?

  Thanks,

  Mark


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From SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au  Tue May 27 19:53:24 2003
From: SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au (Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:53:24 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch
References: 	<BFBC9BAC6169D411890000508BAE2C53031207C0@acsexch4.corp.acsalaska.com>
	<001b01c324b2$85e9da60$54dd31d2@OfficePC>
Message-ID: <003701c324b3$8b6df150$54dd31d2@OfficePC>

Mark- scrap that comment about the underscore - I re-read that part of the Security FAQ and it says ' Any valid file name can be used, such as Wrkgrp_Sec.mdw.'

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd. 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:46 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch


  Hi Mark - Here's my copy of normal syntax for the line.  Maybe put your F:\sis\CCA_App.mdb  in quotes?  If that doesn't work I would try a workgroup name with no underscore??

  "C:\Program Files\Office2K\Office\MSACCESS.EXE"  "c:\MyDatabase.mdb"
  /WRKGRP "W:\Security\MySecurityFile.mdw"

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Porter, Mark 
    To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
    Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:38 AM
    Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch



    I have a secured Access 2000 file format database and want to use the
    /wrkgrp command line switch in a shortcut to associate with the workgroup on
    startup.  This command switch is not working 
    ( F:\sis\CCA_App.mdb /WRKGRP "F:\sis\CCA_Workgroup.mdw" )

    the user accesses the correct file but under the system.mdw workgroup.  

    I've verified that the file locations and the spelling are all correct.  Any
    ideas?

    Thanks,

    Mark


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue May 27 19:53:41 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 19:53:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802226C9C@main2.marlow.com>

The shortcut has to have the path to MSAccess.exe in quotes, then the db
path in quotes, followed by whatever switches.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 7:39 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch



I have a secured Access 2000 file format database and want to use the
/wrkgrp command line switch in a shortcut to associate with the workgroup on
startup.  This command switch is not working 
( F:\sis\CCA_App.mdb /WRKGRP "F:\sis\CCA_Workgroup.mdw" )

the user accesses the correct file but under the system.mdw workgroup.  

I've verified that the file locations and the spelling are all correct.  Any
ideas?

Thanks,

Mark


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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Tue May 27 20:59:07 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 21:59:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Specifying where to open browser
References: <JGENLKHHDJPDMMDICAKIOEMMEOAB.kathryn@bassett.net>
Message-ID: <00e801c324bc$bae77b50$6401a8c0@default>

Kathryn,

The best thing you could do is
1) Make your OFN into a stand-alone function
    that returns a string.
2) Create a small form and open it to the middle
    of your screen using MoveSize. Make this form's
    hwnd the parent for your dialog box.
3) When you get lReturn, then close the little form.

P.S.
I have looked this over and tried to fit in
FindWindow("#32770", "Select Photo"), but it just can't be done.
And you would not believe what goes into CreateWindowEx, so
just creating the form is the easiest way to go.

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

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From: "Kathryn Bassett" <kathryn at bassett.net>
To: "dbAdvisors (AccessD)" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 7:35 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Specifying where to open browser


> There is an event procudure that opens the "look in" browser. What would I
add to the below (and where) to get the blasted thing to open in the center
of my screen instead of the upper left of the screen. I need to see upper
left portion of the underlying form, to remind me of the name of the person
I'm looking for in the "look in", and the way it is now, I have to drag it
out of the way.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Private Sub btnbrowse_Click()
>          Dim OpenFile As OPENFILENAME
>          Dim lReturn As Long
>          Dim sFilter As String
>          OpenFile.lStructSize = Len(OpenFile)
>          OpenFile.hwndOwner = Me.hWnd
>          OpenFile.hInstance = 0
>          sFilter = "" & Chr(0)
>          OpenFile.lpstrFilter = sFilter
>          OpenFile.nFilterIndex = 1
>          OpenFile.lpstrFile = String(257, 0)
>          OpenFile.nMaxFile = Len(OpenFile.lpstrFile) - 1
>          OpenFile.lpstrFileTitle = OpenFile.lpstrFile
>          OpenFile.nMaxFileTitle = OpenFile.nMaxFile
>          ' Start looking in the same directory as the database
>          OpenFile.lpstrInitialDir = "D:\MyFiles\Online\muir63\photos63\"
>          ' Set the caption on the dialog
>          OpenFile.lpstrTitle = "Select Photo"
>          OpenFile.flags = 0
>          lReturn = GetOpenFileName(OpenFile)
>          txtPhoto = Left$(OpenFile.lpstrFile, InStr(OpenFile.lpstrFile,
Chr$(0)) - 1)
>
> --
> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
> "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
> kathryn at bassett.net
> http://bassett.net
>
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From kathryn at bassett.net  Wed May 28 00:22:14 2003
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 22:22:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Specifying where to open browser
In-Reply-To: <00e801c324bc$bae77b50$6401a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <JGENLKHHDJPDMMDICAKIAENPEOAB.kathryn@bassett.net>

Thanks for the suggestion, but I wouldn't have a clue how to do that. Someone else wrote the routine for me, as I don't know how to do code. I'm almost through the F's in the database, so may end up finishing before I get an answer. But, I'm sure I'll use it in some future database, so still hope to find the answer. Gotta find Stuart's address and ask him about it, since he wrote it.

Thanks for trying, even though I'm not up to that level of understanding.

--
Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
> Mattys
> Sent: 27 May 2003 6:59:PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Specifying where to open browser
> 
> 
> Kathryn,
> 
> The best thing you could do is
> 1) Make your OFN into a stand-alone function
>     that returns a string.
> 2) Create a small form and open it to the middle
>     of your screen using MoveSize. Make this form's
>     hwnd the parent for your dialog box.
> 3) When you get lReturn, then close the little form.
> 
> P.S.
> I have looked this over and tried to fit in
> FindWindow("#32770", "Select Photo"), but it just can't be done.
> And you would not believe what goes into CreateWindowEx, so
> just creating the form is the easiest way to go.
> 
> Michael R. Mattys
> www.mattysconsulting.com
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kathryn Bassett" <kathryn at bassett.net>
> To: "dbAdvisors (AccessD)" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 7:35 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Specifying where to open browser
> 
> 
> > There is an event procudure that opens the "look in" browser. What would I
> add to the below (and where) to get the blasted thing to open in the center
> of my screen instead of the upper left of the screen. I need to see upper
> left portion of the underlying form, to remind me of the name of the person
> I'm looking for in the "look in", and the way it is now, I have to drag it
> out of the way.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Private Sub btnbrowse_Click()
> >          Dim OpenFile As OPENFILENAME
> >          Dim lReturn As Long
> >          Dim sFilter As String
> >          OpenFile.lStructSize = Len(OpenFile)
> >          OpenFile.hwndOwner = Me.hWnd
> >          OpenFile.hInstance = 0
> >          sFilter = "" & Chr(0)
> >          OpenFile.lpstrFilter = sFilter
> >          OpenFile.nFilterIndex = 1
> >          OpenFile.lpstrFile = String(257, 0)
> >          OpenFile.nMaxFile = Len(OpenFile.lpstrFile) - 1
> >          OpenFile.lpstrFileTitle = OpenFile.lpstrFile
> >          OpenFile.nMaxFileTitle = OpenFile.nMaxFile
> >          ' Start looking in the same directory as the database
> >          OpenFile.lpstrInitialDir = "D:\MyFiles\Online\muir63\photos63\"
> >          ' Set the caption on the dialog
> >          OpenFile.lpstrTitle = "Select Photo"
> >          OpenFile.flags = 0
> >          lReturn = GetOpenFileName(OpenFile)
> >          txtPhoto = Left$(OpenFile.lpstrFile, InStr(OpenFile.lpstrFile,
> Chr$(0)) - 1)
> >
> > --
> > Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
> > "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
> > kathryn at bassett.net
> > http://bassett.net
> >
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed May 28 02:22:53 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 17:22:53 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Specifying where to open browser
In-Reply-To: <JGENLKHHDJPDMMDICAKIOEMMEOAB.kathryn@bassett.net>
Message-ID: <3ED4F06D.7383.256D324@localhost>

On 27 May 2003 at 16:35, Kathryn Bassett wrote:

> There is an event procudure that opens the "look in" browser. What
> would I add to the below (and where) to get the blasted thing to open
> in the center of my screen instead of the upper left of the screen. I
> need to see upper left portion of the underlying form, to remind me of
> the name of the person I'm looking for in the "look in", and the way
> it is now, I have to drag it out of the way.
> 
> Thanks,
> 

As Michael said, you can use another form to control the position, 
but note that the form must be "Popup", otherwise the dialog will 
still use the main Access Window for it's location.  

Here's what to do with your current code.

Create a new unbound form "frmPosition" set it just a few pixels high 
and wide. Set  it with no scroll bars, record selectors or navigation 
buttons.

Set Autocenter to No
Set its Popup state to Yes 

Position it somewhere well down on your screen and save it ( move it 
around and re-Save it as necesary after testing the changes below to 
get it where you want it)

Change your code as follows:

1. Insert this line straight after the DIM lines:

         DoCmd.OpenForm "frmPosition", , , , , acHidden

2.  Change this 
       OpenFile.hwndOwner = Me.hWnd
to this
      OpenFile.hwndOwner = Forms!frmPosition.Hwnd

3. Insert this straight after the call to GetOpenFileName() 
       	 DoCmd.Close , "frmPosition"


-- 
Lexacorp Ltd
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed May 28 02:55:56 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 09:55:56 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] SAP Partnership Agreement with MySQL
In-Reply-To: <7323063333.20030526181856@cactus.dk>
References: <13922855093.20030526181527@cactus.dk>
 <7323063333.20030526181856@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <99093836.20030528095556@cactus.dk>

Here's the official announcement from MySQL about the SAP DB database
engine:

  http://www.mysql.com/news/article-351.html

/gustav


From nkling at co.montgomery.ny.us  Wed May 28 07:17:03 2003
From: nkling at co.montgomery.ny.us (Neal Kling)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 08:17:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Specifying where to open browser
Message-ID: <0EAA9F4906BA554FA26E6F9F2C5403022BD600@elmo.co.montgomery.ny.us>

One way to approach this would be to add the person's name to the
caption of the browser.


' Set the caption on the dialog
OpenFile.lpstrTitle = "Select Photo for " & Me.PersonFirstName _
	& " " & Me.PersonLastName

You'd have to adjust the field names as appropriate.

Neal Kling
Lotus, isn't that some kind of fancy flower?


-----Original Message-----
From: Kathryn Bassett [mailto:kathryn at bassett.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 7:35 PM
To: dbAdvisors (AccessD)
Subject: [AccessD] Specifying where to open browser


There is an event procudure that opens the "look in" browser. What would
I add to the below (and where) to get the blasted thing to open in the
center of my screen instead of the upper left of the screen. I need to
see upper left portion of the underlying form, to remind me of the name
of the person I'm looking for in the "look in", and the way it is now, I
have to drag it out of the way.

Thanks,

Private Sub btnbrowse_Click()
         Dim OpenFile As OPENFILENAME
         Dim lReturn As Long
         Dim sFilter As String
         OpenFile.lStructSize = Len(OpenFile)
         OpenFile.hwndOwner = Me.hWnd
         OpenFile.hInstance = 0
         sFilter = "" & Chr(0)
         OpenFile.lpstrFilter = sFilter
         OpenFile.nFilterIndex = 1
         OpenFile.lpstrFile = String(257, 0)
         OpenFile.nMaxFile = Len(OpenFile.lpstrFile) - 1
         OpenFile.lpstrFileTitle = OpenFile.lpstrFile
         OpenFile.nMaxFileTitle = OpenFile.nMaxFile
         ' Start looking in the same directory as the database
         OpenFile.lpstrInitialDir = "D:\MyFiles\Online\muir63\photos63\"
         ' Set the caption on the dialog
         OpenFile.lpstrTitle = "Select Photo"
         OpenFile.flags = 0
         lReturn = GetOpenFileName(OpenFile)
         txtPhoto = Left$(OpenFile.lpstrFile, InStr(OpenFile.lpstrFile,
Chr$(0)) - 1)

--
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"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net  

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From DElam at jenkens.com  Wed May 28 07:43:37 2003
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 07:43:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Help with Combo Box
Message-ID: <4AAC675EBAF3D411BCA200508BCFAA8E02F21935@NATEXCH1>

My first thought is to check for typos.  I use the query builder to insert
the name of the first combo box to make sure I did not mess it up slightly.
I can't think of anything else right off.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Tesiny, Ed [mailto:EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us]
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 2:53 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help with Combo Box


Debbie,
I added ComplaintSpecificCode to the query and bound on this column.  It
saved the correct value but a parameter box still pops up.  Any idea
why?

Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us


-----Original Message-----
From: Tesiny, Ed 
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 3:46 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help with Combo Box


Ooops, your right, bound to column 1.

Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us


-----Original Message-----
From: Elam, Debbie [mailto:DElam at jenkens.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 3:33 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help with Combo Box


What is your bound column.  By default this query will bind
ConplaintGeneralCode, which is the value from the first combo box.
 
Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Tesiny, Ed [mailto:EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us]
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 2:28 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Help with Combo Box



I have two combo boxes and I'm trying to limit the contents of the
second combo box based on the selection made in the first box.  I'm
obviously doing something wrong because the second combo box saving the
value of the first box in the table.

For the Row Source of the 2nd  combo box I have:

 

SELECT ComplaintGeneralCode, ComplaintSpecificDesc

FROM tblComplaintSpecific

WHERE ComplaintGeneralCode =
Forms!SF_Complaints_New!cboComplaintGeneral;

 

For the 1st combo box I have:

 

Private Sub cboComplaintGeneral_AfterUpdate()

Me!cboComplaintSpecific.Requery

End Sub

 

Table tblComplaintGeneral has two fields: ComplaintGeneralCode
(autonumber), ComplaintGeneralDesc (text)

Table tblComplaintSpecific has 3 fields:  ComplaintSpecificCode
(autonumber), ComplaintGeneralCode (long integer), ComplaintSpecificDesc
(text)

 

In addition, when I try to close the form I get a parameter window
asking for a value for Forms!SF_Complaints_New!cboComplaintGeneral

 

Any help is greatly appreciated.

 

Ed

 
Edward P. Tesiny
New York State OASAS
Evaluation and Program Monitoring
1450 Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 



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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Wed May 28 07:51:02 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 07:51:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F87843@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Mark,

The following method always works for me: "UNC path to correct version
of MSAccess.exe" /Wrkgp "UNC path to proper .mdw" "UNC path to your
Access app".  Notice that this includes three quoted strings, not one or
two.  The quotes are required only for those paths that include spaces
and other characters that disrupt the command parser.  Of course, M$
puts spaces in all of its file directory names!

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com] 
Sent: Tuesday 2003 May 27 19:39
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch

I have a secured Access 2000 file format database and want to use the
/wrkgrp command line switch in a shortcut to associate with the
workgroup on startup.  This command switch is not working 
( F:\sis\CCA_App.mdb /WRKGRP "F:\sis\CCA_Workgroup.mdw" )

the user accesses the correct file but under the system.mdw workgroup.  

I've verified that the file locations and the spelling are all correct.
Any ideas?

Thanks,

Mark

From mitsules_ms at nns.com  Wed May 28 08:20:49 2003
From: mitsules_ms at nns.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 09:20:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E2941E@nnse14.nns.com>

Group,

Is anyone aware of a method to change the default size of a <TITLE> tag?  I
have a unique situation where I need to change a <TITLE> tag from its
default size to <H3> size (PHB strikes again).  Currently, the only way I've
been able to do this is by placing <H3> tags within the <TITLE> tag.
Although this approach does change the size as required, it unfortunately
prints the <H3></H3> tags literally in the title bar.  It seems that a CSS
approach would address this, but an external .css is not loaded until the
<HEAD> section...any ideas?

Any pointers, references would be greatly appreciated,


Mark

From jbhuffman at mdh.org  Wed May 28 08:28:13 2003
From: jbhuffman at mdh.org (Huffman, Jarad B.)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 08:28:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css
Message-ID: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B4801935751@NEWMAN_EXC>

Embed the title tag in the head section.  Then, I believe you can use a font
tag with a size associated for the title.

HTH,
Jarad Huffman

-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:mitsules_ms at nns.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 8:21 AM
To: 'AccessD'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css


Group,

Is anyone aware of a method to change the default size of a <TITLE> tag?  I
have a unique situation where I need to change a <TITLE> tag from its
default size to <H3> size (PHB strikes again).  Currently, the only way I've
been able to do this is by placing <H3> tags within the <TITLE> tag.
Although this approach does change the size as required, it unfortunately
prints the <H3></H3> tags literally in the title bar.  It seems that a CSS
approach would address this, but an external .css is not loaded until the
<HEAD> section...any ideas?

Any pointers, references would be greatly appreciated,


Mark
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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Wed May 28 08:29:55 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 08:29:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F87844@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Mark,

Are you saying that <H3><TITLE>...</TITLE></H3> didn't work?  IIRC, the
later versions of HTML allow the <TITLE> tag to have a FontSize
property.  If you go to W3C's website you should be able to find the
full definition of current HTML tag properties.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:mitsules_ms at nns.com] 
Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 28 08:21
To: 'AccessD'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css

Group,

Is anyone aware of a method to change the default size of a <TITLE> tag?
I have a unique situation where I need to change a <TITLE> tag from its
default size to <H3> size (PHB strikes again).  Currently, the only way
I've been able to do this is by placing <H3> tags within the <TITLE>
tag. Although this approach does change the size as required, it
unfortunately prints the <H3></H3> tags literally in the title bar.  It
seems that a CSS approach would address this, but an external .css is
not loaded until the <HEAD> section...any ideas?

Any pointers, references would be greatly appreciated,


Mark

From weeden1949 at hotmail.com  Wed May 28 08:39:27 2003
From: weeden1949 at hotmail.com (Greg S)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 08:39:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch
References: <BFBC9BAC6169D411890000508BAE2C53031207C0@acsexch4.corp.acsalaska.com>
Message-ID: <BAY8-DAV7DfFbeDrlVF00003a8d@hotmail.com>

Mark:

Here's one I use all the time...even have it as a shortcut:

"C:\Program Files\MSOffice97\Office\MSACCESS.EXE" /wrkgrp "C:\Documents and
Settings\gsmith\My Documents\Access\Bhc Recorder\Mdws\RecAdmin010903.mdw"

I have several of these setup as shortcuts to access 97, 2000, and xp
separately so, depending on what I'm programming in, I can pick the one I
want easily and not have to join anything manually.

Greg Smith
Programmer
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Porter, Mark" <MPorter at acsalaska.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 7:38 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch



I have a secured Access 2000 file format database and want to use the
/wrkgrp command line switch in a shortcut to associate with the workgroup on
startup.  This command switch is not working
( F:\sis\CCA_App.mdb /WRKGRP "F:\sis\CCA_Workgroup.mdw" )

the user accesses the correct file but under the system.mdw workgroup.

I've verified that the file locations and the spelling are all correct.  Any
ideas?

Thanks,

Mark


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From MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com  Wed May 28 09:35:22 2003
From: MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com (Mark Boyd)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:35:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records
Message-ID: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D7765@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>

I have a table with the following records:

John

John

Bill

Bob

 

I need to find out how many unique records there are.

My current approach is 1 query grouping the above table.

Then, I get a count of grouped records with a 2nd query.

 

Is there a way to avoid using 2 queries for this?

The above is obviously an example.  The table actually holds thousands
and thousands of records.

 

Thanks,

Mark Boyd

Sr. Systems Analyst

McBee Associates, Inc.

 

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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Wed May 28 09:42:39 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 09:42:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F35874@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Mark,

The Select statement can be qualified with either Distinct or
DistinctRow.  I am unable to tell you which is the more appropriate for
your situation from the information you provided.


Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Boyd [mailto:MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com] 
Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 28 09:35
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records

I have a table with the following records:
John
John
Bill
Bob

I need to find out how many unique records there are.
My current approach is 1 query grouping the above table.
Then, I get a count of grouped records with a 2nd query.

Is there a way to avoid using 2 queries for this?
The above is obviously an example.  The table actually holds thousands
and thousands of records.

Thanks,
Mark Boyd
Sr. Systems Analyst
McBee Associates, Inc.

From jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com  Wed May 28 09:43:30 2003
From: jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com (jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 09:43:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records
Message-ID: <OFE120FCBA.C7545352-ON86256D34.0050A32F-86256D34.0050E304@nc.us.bank-dns.com>

You might try something like this:

SELECT dbo_tblOffices.Name, Count(dbo_tblOffices.Name) AS CountOfName
FROM dbo_tblOffices
GROUP BY dbo_tblOffices.Name;





"Mark Boyd" <MarkBoyd at mcbeeassociates.com>
Sent by: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
05/28/2003 09:35 AM
Please respond to accessd

 
        To:     AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
        cc: 
        Subject:        [AccessD] Count of Unique Records


I have a table with the following records:
John
John
Bill
Bob
 
I need to find out how many unique records there are.
My current approach is 1 query grouping the above table.
Then, I get a count of grouped records with a 2nd query.
 
Is there a way to avoid using 2 queries for this?
The above is obviously an example.  The table actually holds thousands and 
thousands of records.
 
Thanks,
Mark Boyd
Sr. Systems Analyst
McBee Associates, Inc.
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From dkalsow at yahoo.com  Wed May 28 09:51:36 2003
From: dkalsow at yahoo.com (Dale Kalsow)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 07:51:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Requerying subform
In-Reply-To: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F35874@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <20030528145136.78755.qmail@web9802.mail.yahoo.com>

Can anyone give the line of code to requery a subforms recordset from a total different/unrelated form?
 
Thanks!
 
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From MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com  Wed May 28 09:57:46 2003
From: MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com (Mark Boyd)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:57:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records
Message-ID: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D6CDB@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>

Charles -
Neither 'Distinct' nor 'DistinctRow' worked.
I am still getting a count of 4.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:43 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records

Mark,

The Select statement can be qualified with either Distinct or
DistinctRow.  I am unable to tell you which is the more appropriate for
your situation from the information you provided.


Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Boyd [mailto:MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com] 
Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 28 09:35
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records

I have a table with the following records:
John
John
Bill
Bob

I need to find out how many unique records there are.
My current approach is 1 query grouping the above table.
Then, I get a count of grouped records with a 2nd query.

Is there a way to avoid using 2 queries for this?
The above is obviously an example.  The table actually holds thousands
and thousands of records.

Thanks,
Mark Boyd
Sr. Systems Analyst
McBee Associates, Inc.
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From harkins at iglou.com  Wed May 28 09:59:19 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:59:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records
References: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D7765@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>
Message-ID: <016701c3252a$4f95b010$feecffcc@SusanOne>

Sure. 

SELECT Count(field)
FROM datasource
GROUP BY field
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mark Boyd 
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:35 AM
  Subject: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records


  I have a table with the following records:

  John

  John

  Bill

  Bob



  I need to find out how many unique records there are.

  My current approach is 1 query grouping the above table.

  Then, I get a count of grouped records with a 2nd query.



  Is there a way to avoid using 2 queries for this?

  The above is obviously an example.  The table actually holds thousands and thousands of records.



  Thanks,

  Mark Boyd

  Sr. Systems Analyst

  McBee Associates, Inc.





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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Wed May 28 10:07:17 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 11:07:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records
References: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D6CDB@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>
Message-ID: <018401c3252a$d67ee380$6401a8c0@default>

Mark,

Use the find duplicates wizard and then look at the SQL it creates.

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Boyd" <MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:57 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records


> Charles -
> Neither 'Distinct' nor 'DistinctRow' worked.
> I am still getting a count of 4.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:43 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records
> 
> Mark,
> 
> The Select statement can be qualified with either Distinct or
> DistinctRow.  I am unable to tell you which is the more appropriate for
> your situation from the information you provided.
> 
> 
> Charles Wortz 
> Software Development Division 
> Texas Education Agency 
> 1701 N. Congress Ave 
> Austin, TX 78701-1494 
> 512-463-9493 
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Boyd [mailto:MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 28 09:35
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records
> 
> I have a table with the following records:
> John
> John
> Bill
> Bob
> 
> I need to find out how many unique records there are.
> My current approach is 1 query grouping the above table.
> Then, I get a count of grouped records with a 2nd query.
> 
> Is there a way to avoid using 2 queries for this?
> The above is obviously an example.  The table actually holds thousands
> and thousands of records.
> 
> Thanks,
> Mark Boyd
> Sr. Systems Analyst
> McBee Associates, Inc.
> _______________________________________________
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> 
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From MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com  Wed May 28 10:03:50 2003
From: MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com (Mark Boyd)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 11:03:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records
Message-ID: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D6CDC@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>

Jeffrey -

This gives me a count for each name, but not a total count of unique
names.

 

Mark

 

-----Original Message-----
From: jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com [mailto:jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com]

Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:44 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records

 


You might try something like this: 

SELECT dbo_tblOffices.Name, Count(dbo_tblOffices.Name) AS CountOfName 
FROM dbo_tblOffices 
GROUP BY dbo_tblOffices.Name; 




 

"Mark Boyd" <MarkBoyd at mcbeeassociates.com> 
Sent by: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 

05/28/2003 09:35 AM 
Please respond to accessd 

        
        To:        AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
        cc:         
        Subject:        [AccessD] Count of Unique Records




I have a table with the following records: 
John 
John 
Bill 
Bob 
  
I need to find out how many unique records there are. 
My current approach is 1 query grouping the above table. 
Then, I get a count of grouped records with a 2nd query. 
  
Is there a way to avoid using 2 queries for this? 
The above is obviously an example.  The table actually holds thousands
and thousands of records. 
  
Thanks, 
Mark Boyd 
Sr. Systems Analyst 
McBee Associates, Inc. 
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From jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com  Wed May 28 10:05:47 2003
From: jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com (jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:05:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Requerying subform
Message-ID: <OF47BFA3DA.75E52512-ON86256D34.0052C794-86256D34.0052ED3D@nc.us.bank-dns.com>

Forms![frmExistingEntriesDataElements]![frmExistingEntriesDataElements-SubForm].Form.Requery




"Dale Kalsow" <dkalsow at yahoo.com>
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        To:     accessd at databaseadvisors.com
        cc: 
        Subject:        [AccessD] Requerying subform


Can anyone give the line of code to requery a subforms recordset from a 
total different/unrelated form?
 
Thanks!
 
Dale
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From MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com  Wed May 28 10:11:19 2003
From: MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com (Mark Boyd)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 11:11:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records
Message-ID: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D6CDD@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>

Michael -
How is this going to give me a total count?
This will only return records that are duplicates.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael R Mattys [mailto:michael.mattys at adelphia.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 11:07 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records

Mark,

Use the find duplicates wizard and then look at the SQL it creates.

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Boyd" <MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:57 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records


> Charles -
> Neither 'Distinct' nor 'DistinctRow' worked.
> I am still getting a count of 4.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:43 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records
> 
> Mark,
> 
> The Select statement can be qualified with either Distinct or
> DistinctRow.  I am unable to tell you which is the more appropriate
for
> your situation from the information you provided.
> 
> 
> Charles Wortz 
> Software Development Division 
> Texas Education Agency 
> 1701 N. Congress Ave 
> Austin, TX 78701-1494 
> 512-463-9493 
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Boyd [mailto:MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 28 09:35
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records
> 
> I have a table with the following records:
> John
> John
> Bill
> Bob
> 
> I need to find out how many unique records there are.
> My current approach is 1 query grouping the above table.
> Then, I get a count of grouped records with a 2nd query.
> 
> Is there a way to avoid using 2 queries for this?
> The above is obviously an example.  The table actually holds thousands
> and thousands of records.
> 
> Thanks,
> Mark Boyd
> Sr. Systems Analyst
> McBee Associates, Inc.
> _______________________________________________
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From MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com  Wed May 28 10:13:30 2003
From: MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com (Mark Boyd)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 11:13:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records
Message-ID: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D6CDE@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>

Susan -

This is pretty much what my 1st query does.

I then have a 2nd query that counts these records for a total count of
unique records.

What I want to do is only use 1 query that will return the number '3'.

 

Mark

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records

 

Sure. 

 

SELECT Count(field)

FROM datasource

GROUP BY field

	----- Original Message ----- 

	From: Mark Boyd <mailto:MarkBoyd at mcbeeassociates.com>  

	To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 

	Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:35 AM

	Subject: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records

	 

	I have a table with the following records:

	John

	John

	Bill

	Bob

	 

	I need to find out how many unique records there are.

	My current approach is 1 query grouping the above table.

	Then, I get a count of grouped records with a 2nd query.

	 

	Is there a way to avoid using 2 queries for this?

	The above is obviously an example.  The table actually holds
thousands and thousands of records.

	 

	Thanks,

	Mark Boyd

	Sr. Systems Analyst

	McBee Associates, Inc.

	 

	
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From mitsules_ms at nns.com  Wed May 28 10:17:07 2003
From: mitsules_ms at nns.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 11:17:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E2941F@nnse14.nns.com>


>Are you saying that <H3><TITLE>...</TITLE></H3> didn't work?

Yes, that's what I'm saying.

>IIRC, the later versions of HTML allow the <TITLE> tag to have a FontSize
property.  If you go to W3C's website you should be able to find the full
definition of current HTML tag properties.

http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#edef-TITLE
No information here pertaining to your recollections.


My current solution is an obvious hack, I was just hoping someone was aware
of a more elegant hack.


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:30 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css


Mark,

Are you saying that <H3><TITLE>...</TITLE></H3> didn't work?  IIRC, the
later versions of HTML allow the <TITLE> tag to have a FontSize property.
If you go to W3C's website you should be able to find the full definition of
current HTML tag properties.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:mitsules_ms at nns.com] 
Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 28 08:21
To: 'AccessD'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css

Group,

Is anyone aware of a method to change the default size of a <TITLE> tag? I
have a unique situation where I need to change a <TITLE> tag from its
default size to <H3> size (PHB strikes again).  Currently, the only way I've
been able to do this is by placing <H3> tags within the <TITLE> tag.
Although this approach does change the size as required, it unfortunately
prints the <H3></H3> tags literally in the title bar.  It seems that a CSS
approach would address this, but an external .css is not loaded until the
<HEAD> section...any ideas?

Any pointers, references would be greatly appreciated,


Mark
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From mitsules_ms at nns.com  Wed May 28 10:19:00 2003
From: mitsules_ms at nns.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 11:19:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29420@nnse14.nns.com>

>Embed the title tag in the head section.  Then, I believe you can use a
font tag with a size associated for the title.

The TITLE tag is within the HEAD section.  Any modifiers placed outside of
the TITLE tag have had no effect.  I've even moved the link to the external
.css above the TITLE tag...I've had no success with that yet either.



Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Huffman, Jarad B. [mailto:jbhuffman at mdh.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:28 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css


Embed the title tag in the head section.  Then, I believe you can use a font
tag with a size associated for the title.

HTH,
Jarad Huffman

-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:mitsules_ms at nns.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 8:21 AM
To: 'AccessD'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css


Group,

Is anyone aware of a method to change the default size of a <TITLE> tag?  I
have a unique situation where I need to change a <TITLE> tag from its
default size to <H3> size (PHB strikes again).  Currently, the only way I've
been able to do this is by placing <H3> tags within the <TITLE> tag.
Although this approach does change the size as required, it unfortunately
prints the <H3></H3> tags literally in the title bar.  It seems that a CSS
approach would address this, but an external .css is not loaded until the
<HEAD> section...any ideas?

Any pointers, references would be greatly appreciated,


Mark
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Wed May 28 10:22:30 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 11:22:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85CCD@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Doesn't the title tag hold the value that's diplayed in the title bar of the browser?  How can you add formatting to that?  Or am I missing something?

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:mitsules_ms at nns.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 11:17 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css



>Are you saying that <H3><TITLE>...</TITLE></H3> didn't work?

Yes, that's what I'm saying.

>IIRC, the later versions of HTML allow the <TITLE> tag to have a FontSize
property.  If you go to W3C's website you should be able to find the full
definition of current HTML tag properties.

http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#edef-TITLE
No information here pertaining to your recollections.


My current solution is an obvious hack, I was just hoping someone was aware
of a more elegant hack.


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:30 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css


Mark,

Are you saying that <H3><TITLE>...</TITLE></H3> didn't work?  IIRC, the
later versions of HTML allow the <TITLE> tag to have a FontSize property.
If you go to W3C's website you should be able to find the full definition of
current HTML tag properties.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:mitsules_ms at nns.com] 
Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 28 08:21
To: 'AccessD'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css

Group,

Is anyone aware of a method to change the default size of a <TITLE> tag? I
have a unique situation where I need to change a <TITLE> tag from its
default size to <H3> size (PHB strikes again).  Currently, the only way I've
been able to do this is by placing <H3> tags within the <TITLE> tag.
Although this approach does change the size as required, it unfortunately
prints the <H3></H3> tags literally in the title bar.  It seems that a CSS
approach would address this, but an external .css is not loaded until the
<HEAD> section...any ideas?

Any pointers, references would be greatly appreciated,


Mark
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From harkins at iglou.com  Wed May 28 10:25:30 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 11:25:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records
References: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D6CDE@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>
Message-ID: <01c601c3252d$61766150$feecffcc@SusanOne>

SELECT groupfield1, Count(groupfield2) 
FROM (SELECT groupfield1, groupfield2
FROM datasource
GROUP BY groupfield1, groupfield2)
GROUP BY groupfield2

Maybe that'll get you closer to what you need?

Susan H. 


  Susan -

  This is pretty much what my 1st query does.

  I then have a 2nd query that counts these records for a total count of unique records.

  What I want to do is only use 1 query that will return the number '3'.



  Mark



  -----Original Message-----
  From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com] 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:59 AM
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records



  Sure. 



  SELECT Count(field)

  FROM datasource

  GROUP BY field

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    From: Mark Boyd 

    To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 

    Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:35 AM

    Subject: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records



    I have a table with the following records:

    John

    John

    Bill

    Bob



    I need to find out how many unique records there are.

    My current approach is 1 query grouping the above table.

    Then, I get a count of grouped records with a 2nd query.



    Is there a way to avoid using 2 queries for this?

    The above is obviously an example.  The table actually holds thousands and thousands of records.



    Thanks,

    Mark Boyd

    Sr. Systems Analyst

    McBee Associates, Inc.




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From MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com  Wed May 28 10:41:02 2003
From: MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com (Mark Boyd)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 11:41:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records
Message-ID: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D6CDF@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>

Susan -

This is exactly what I'm looking for.

To get a count of '3', I simply removed the last GROUP BY statement.

 

Thanks a lot,

Mark

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 11:26 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records

 

SELECT groupfield1, Count(groupfield2) 

FROM (SELECT groupfield1, groupfield2

FROM datasource

GROUP BY groupfield1, groupfield2)

GROUP BY groupfield2

 

Maybe that'll get you closer to what you need?

 

Susan H. 


 

	Susan -

	This is pretty much what my 1st query does.

	I then have a 2nd query that counts these records for a total
count of unique records.

	What I want to do is only use 1 query that will return the
number '3'.

	 

	Mark

	 

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com] 
	Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:59 AM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: Re: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records

	 

	Sure. 

	 

	SELECT Count(field)

	FROM datasource

	GROUP BY field

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		From: Mark Boyd <mailto:MarkBoyd at mcbeeassociates.com>  

		To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 

		Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:35 AM

		Subject: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records

		 

		I have a table with the following records:

		John

		John

		Bill

		Bob

		 

		I need to find out how many unique records there are.

		My current approach is 1 query grouping the above table.

		Then, I get a count of grouped records with a 2nd query.

		 

		Is there a way to avoid using 2 queries for this?

		The above is obviously an example.  The table actually
holds thousands and thousands of records.

		 

		Thanks,

		Mark Boyd

		Sr. Systems Analyst

		McBee Associates, Inc.

		 

		
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Wed May 28 10:45:57 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 16:45:57 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css
References: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29420@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c32530$3b046eb0$9111758f@aine>

Mark

I also tried various ways to do this including a css class for the title all
to no effect.

Will speak to another guy here and see if he has a clean way to do this.

Martin


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mitsules, Mark" <mitsules_ms at nns.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 4:19 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css


> >Embed the title tag in the head section.  Then, I believe you can use a
> font tag with a size associated for the title.
>
> The TITLE tag is within the HEAD section.  Any modifiers placed outside of
> the TITLE tag have had no effect.  I've even moved the link to the
external
> .css above the TITLE tag...I've had no success with that yet either.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Huffman, Jarad B. [mailto:jbhuffman at mdh.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:28 AM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css
>
>
> Embed the title tag in the head section.  Then, I believe you can use a
font
> tag with a size associated for the title.
>
> HTH,
> Jarad Huffman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:mitsules_ms at nns.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 8:21 AM
> To: 'AccessD'
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css
>
>
> Group,
>
> Is anyone aware of a method to change the default size of a <TITLE> tag?
I
> have a unique situation where I need to change a <TITLE> tag from its
> default size to <H3> size (PHB strikes again).  Currently, the only way
I've
> been able to do this is by placing <H3> tags within the <TITLE> tag.
> Although this approach does change the size as required, it unfortunately
> prints the <H3></H3> tags literally in the title bar.  It seems that a CSS
> approach would address this, but an external .css is not loaded until the
> <HEAD> section...any ideas?
>
> Any pointers, references would be greatly appreciated,
>
>
> Mark
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From mitsules_ms at nns.com  Wed May 28 10:50:20 2003
From: mitsules_ms at nns.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 11:50:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29421@nnse14.nns.com>

Jim,

I'll explain the problem a little further.  On each of our departmental
intranet pages we are required to utilize a divisional header using server
side includes (.stm).  A departmental title can be placed within this
divisional header using the syntax - 
<TITLE>Submarine Engineering Electrical Design:E13 Home</TITLE>.  The whole
thing will show up in the title bar, but only the text before the colon will
show up in the divisional banner.  The problem is that the PHB insists on
the full departmental title, yet also insists that the page be legible at
800x600 with no horizontal scrolling.  Both requirements are impossible to
meet without shrinking the text size down.  Although I had never done it
before, I found that this syntax - 
<TITLE><H3>Submarine Engineering Electrical Design:E13 Home</H3></TITLE> 
satisfies both requirements for the PHB, but unfortunately makes me feel
like an idiot because the title bar now shows "<H3>Submarine Engineering
Electrical Design:E13 Home</H3>".

;)Woe is me :(  

Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 11:23 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css


Doesn't the title tag hold the value that's diplayed in the title bar of the
browser?  How can you add formatting to that?  Or am I missing something?

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:mitsules_ms at nns.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 11:17 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css



>Are you saying that <H3><TITLE>...</TITLE></H3> didn't work?

Yes, that's what I'm saying.

>IIRC, the later versions of HTML allow the <TITLE> tag to have a 
>FontSize
property.  If you go to W3C's website you should be able to find the full
definition of current HTML tag properties.

http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#edef-TITLE
No information here pertaining to your recollections.


My current solution is an obvious hack, I was just hoping someone was aware
of a more elegant hack.


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:30 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css


Mark,

Are you saying that <H3><TITLE>...</TITLE></H3> didn't work?  IIRC, the
later versions of HTML allow the <TITLE> tag to have a FontSize property. If
you go to W3C's website you should be able to find the full definition of
current HTML tag properties.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:mitsules_ms at nns.com] 
Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 28 08:21
To: 'AccessD'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css

Group,

Is anyone aware of a method to change the default size of a <TITLE> tag? I
have a unique situation where I need to change a <TITLE> tag from its
default size to <H3> size (PHB strikes again).  Currently, the only way I've
been able to do this is by placing <H3> tags within the <TITLE> tag.
Although this approach does change the size as required, it unfortunately
prints the <H3></H3> tags literally in the title bar.  It seems that a CSS
approach would address this, but an external .css is not loaded until the
<HEAD> section...any ideas?

Any pointers, references would be greatly appreciated,


Mark
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From mitsules_ms at nns.com  Wed May 28 10:51:08 2003
From: mitsules_ms at nns.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 11:51:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29422@nnse14.nns.com>

Many thanks...


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 11:46 AM
To: accessd
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css


Mark

I also tried various ways to do this including a css class for the title all
to no effect.

Will speak to another guy here and see if he has a clean way to do this.

Martin


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mitsules, Mark" <mitsules_ms at nns.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 4:19 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css


> >Embed the title tag in the head section.  Then, I believe you can use 
> >a
> font tag with a size associated for the title.
>
> The TITLE tag is within the HEAD section.  Any modifiers placed 
> outside of the TITLE tag have had no effect.  I've even moved the link 
> to the
external
> .css above the TITLE tag...I've had no success with that yet either.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Huffman, Jarad B. [mailto:jbhuffman at mdh.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:28 AM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css
>
>
> Embed the title tag in the head section.  Then, I believe you can use 
> a
font
> tag with a size associated for the title.
>
> HTH,
> Jarad Huffman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:mitsules_ms at nns.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 8:21 AM
> To: 'AccessD'
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css
>
>
> Group,
>
> Is anyone aware of a method to change the default size of a <TITLE> 
> tag?
I
> have a unique situation where I need to change a <TITLE> tag from its 
> default size to <H3> size (PHB strikes again).  Currently, the only 
> way
I've
> been able to do this is by placing <H3> tags within the <TITLE> tag. 
> Although this approach does change the size as required, it 
> unfortunately prints the <H3></H3> tags literally in the title bar.  
> It seems that a CSS approach would address this, but an external .css 
> is not loaded until the <HEAD> section...any ideas?
>
> Any pointers, references would be greatly appreciated,
>
>
> Mark
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Wed May 28 11:12:50 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 11:12:50 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
In-Reply-To: <sed377fd.077@cbc.ca>
References: <sed377fd.077@cbc.ca>
Message-ID: <57947.199.67.140.20.1054138370.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>

Bryan, thanks it works :))

> Sorry for coming to the party late, but give this a shot:
>
> dim rng as range
> dim dblAnswer as Double
>
> set rng = Worksheets("Sheet1").Range("C13:C18")
> dblAnswer = WorksheetFunction.Sum(rng)
>
> Debug.print dblAnswer
>
> WorksheetFunction will allow you to use some Excel Worksheet functions
> in your VBA code.
>
> Bryan Carbonnell
> bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca
>
>
>>>> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com 27-May-03 12:30:44 PM >>>
> It was a first thing i tried. Gives me an error message "sub or function
> not defined"
>
>
>> You can try C = SUM("C13:C18")
>>
>> Doris Manning
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
>
>> He group,
>> does anyone know if I can use SUM in the case below ? I can't seem to
>> find it. Thanks
>>
>> C = Range("C13").Value + Range("C14").Value + Range("C15").Value +
>> Range("C16").Value + Range("C17").Value + Range("C18").Value
>
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From cclenright at yahoo.com  Wed May 28 11:48:38 2003
From: cclenright at yahoo.com (Chris Enright)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 09:48:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Closing an Application
In-Reply-To: <017a01c3238e$522599f0$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <20030528164838.75911.qmail@web41102.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Group,
 
I would like to think that I am having this problem because I have been away from Access for a couple of years but I strongly suspect it might have something to do with big six-O coming next week.
 
I am writing an application that requires the On Screen Keyboard in WinNT.
 
This starts it fine....


 

    Dim MyAppID, ReturnValue

 

    MyAppID = Shell("C:\Winnt\system32\osk.exe", 1)  ' Run On Screen Keyboard.

    AppActivate MyAppID

 

 Problem is, what code do I use to close it?

 

Tks

 

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From mitsules_ms at nns.com  Wed May 28 12:11:43 2003
From: mitsules_ms at nns.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 13:11:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Closing an Application
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29423@nnse14.nns.com>

Chris,

Can you use SendKeys to close it?
SendKeys "%{F4}" (= ALT F4)


Mark


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From: Chris Enright [mailto:cclenright at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:49 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Closing an Application


Hi Group,

I would like to think that I am having this problem because I have been away
from Access for a couple of years but I strongly suspect it might have
something to do with big six-O coming next week.

I am writing an application that requires the On Screen Keyboard in WinNT.

This starts it fine....

 
    Dim MyAppID, ReturnValue
 
    MyAppID = Shell("C:\Winnt\system32\osk.exe", 1)  ' Run On Screen
Keyboard.
    AppActivate MyAppID
 
 Problem is, what code do I use to close it?

Tks

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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Wed May 28 12:18:19 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: 28 May 2003 18:18:19 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT ASP.NET
Message-ID: <200305281718.SAA07471@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

Anyone get the opp to check out the C Sharp page I posted last night??

Martin

From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed May 28 12:37:35 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 13:37:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT ASP.NET
In-Reply-To: <200305281718.SAA07471@hosea.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEGKDOAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Martin,

I get a page with a button and some text.  No boxes where the * is.  If I
press the button, a "cannot display page"

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 1:18 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT ASP.NET


Anyone get the opp to check out the C Sharp page I posted last night??

Martin
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From Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com  Wed May 28 12:44:28 2003
From: Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com (Jeff Barrows)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 12:44:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT ASP.NET
Message-ID: <8DA8776D2F418E46A2A464AC6CE6305091E5@outbaksrv1.outbaktech.com>

Well, if it is supposed to be a registration page, it shows up.  But
there are no password boxes on my copy.

Jeff Barrows
Outbak Technologies, LLC
Racine, WI
Phone: (262) 634-0653
Mailto: jeff_developer at hotmail.com
www.outbaktech.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:18 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com

Anyone get the opp to check out the C Sharp page I posted last night??

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May 28 12:54:28 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:54:28 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Closing an Application
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FDC@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Use the handle you got back from the Shell call to activate the correct
window and then use sendkeys to pass an Alt+F4 to close it.

AppActive MyAppID
SendKeys "%{F4}"

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Enright [mailto:cclenright at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 8:49 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Closing an Application


Hi Group,

I would like to think that I am having this problem because I have been
away from Access for a couple of years but I strongly suspect it might
have something to do with big six-O coming next week.

I am writing an application that requires the On Screen Keyboard in
WinNT.

This starts it fine....

 
    Dim MyAppID, ReturnValue
 
    MyAppID = Shell("C:\Winnt\system32\osk.exe", 1)  ' Run On Screen
Keyboard.
    AppActivate MyAppID
 
 Problem is, what code do I use to close it?

Tks

Chris Enright


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May 28 12:58:59 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:58:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FDD@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Charles answered your question, but the reason it isn't working is
because *all* command line arguments are ignored if you do not include
the full path and filename to the Access executable in your shortcut.
Since /WRKGRP is a command line argument, it gets ignored when you only
include the database path and the workgroup and leave out the Access
executable.

Charlotte Foust

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From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 4:39 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch



I have a secured Access 2000 file format database and want to use the
/wrkgrp command line switch in a shortcut to associate with the
workgroup on startup.  This command switch is not working 
( F:\sis\CCA_App.mdb /WRKGRP "F:\sis\CCA_Workgroup.mdw" )

the user accesses the correct file but under the system.mdw workgroup.  

I've verified that the file locations and the spelling are all correct.
Any ideas?

Thanks,

Mark


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From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 14:02:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT ASP.NET
Message-ID: <sed4c170.048@cbc.ca>

Yep.

With IIS I got a 500 Internal Error.

With Apache I got a page with no textboxes to enter anything. Just * where the textboxes should be.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

>>> mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk 28-May-03 1:18:19 PM >>>
Anyone get the opp to check out the C Sharp page I posted last night??

Martin
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From MPorter at acsalaska.com  Wed May 28 13:11:18 2003
From: MPorter at acsalaska.com (Porter, Mark)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:11:18 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch
Message-ID: <BFBC9BAC6169D411890000508BAE2C53031207C5@acsexch4.corp.acsalaska.com>

After the responses all had the msaccess.exe executible path I recalled that
it was required with the other times that I've implemented it.

I never did know why though.  Thanks for clearing it up.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch


Charles answered your question, but the reason it isn't working is
because *all* command line arguments are ignored if you do not include
the full path and filename to the Access executable in your shortcut.
Since /WRKGRP is a command line argument, it gets ignored when you only
include the database path and the workgroup and leave out the Access
executable.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 4:39 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch



I have a secured Access 2000 file format database and want to use the
/wrkgrp command line switch in a shortcut to associate with the
workgroup on startup.  This command switch is not working 
( F:\sis\CCA_App.mdb /WRKGRP "F:\sis\CCA_Workgroup.mdw" )

the user accesses the correct file but under the system.mdw workgroup.  

I've verified that the file locations and the spelling are all correct.
Any ideas?

Thanks,

Mark


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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Wed May 28 13:15:01 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: 28 May 2003 19:15:01 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT ASP.NET
Message-ID: <200305281815.TAA08305@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

On IIS do you have the .NET framework installed. I just wanted to double 
check this. I am doing a tech edit on a new C SHarp Database book and none 
of the authors example code works fot this chapter. But I wanted to be 
double sure before I hammer him.

Martin

On May 28 2003, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:

> Yep.
> 
> With IIS I got a 500 Internal Error.
> 
> With Apache I got a page with no textboxes to enter anything. Just * 
> where the textboxes should be.
> 
> Bryan Carbonnell
> bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca
> 
> >>> mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk 28-May-03 1:18:19 PM >>>
> Anyone get the opp to check out the C Sharp page I posted last night??
> 
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From delliker at hotmail.com  Wed May 28 14:00:45 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 15:00:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Query reference to screen control
Message-ID: <Law12-F91uhpyjMKYIM0001fa44@hotmail.com>

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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Wed May 28 14:22:36 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 14:22:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Query reference to screen control
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F3587B@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Don,

You have me confused!  Is this combo box referring to itself or some
other combo box or something else?  I cannot tell since you only show
one name but say you have two controls.  Please try to be a little more
explicit.  


Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
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Austin, TX 78701-1494 
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-----Original Message-----
From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 28 14:01
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Query reference to screen control

I have this odd occurrance in A2K. I have a combo that has criteria
referencing two screen controls, like this
[forms]![frmtestcases]![cmbproject]. Many times (but not always) it
returns nothing when I click it. Then if I go into the grid for the
underlying query and make it 
=[forms]![frmtestcases]![cmbproject] it works, however it does not keep
the equal sign, it discards it - works for a while then craps out. What
gives?? Just another wierd Accessism?
_d

From cclenright at yahoo.com  Wed May 28 14:56:58 2003
From: cclenright at yahoo.com (Chris Enright)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 12:56:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Closing an Application
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FDC@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <20030528195658.21185.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks very much Charlotte and Mark,
 
AppActivate MyAppID
SendKeys "%{F4}"

solved my problem.
 
Tks
Chris

Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
Use the handle you got back from the Shell call to activate the correct
window and then use sendkeys to pass an Alt+F4 to close it.

AppActive MyAppID
SendKeys "%{F4}"

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Enright [mailto:cclenright at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 8:49 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Closing an Application


Hi Group,

I would like to think that I am having this problem because I have been
away from Access for a couple of years but I strongly suspect it might
have something to do with big six-O coming next week.

I am writing an application that requires the On Screen Keyboard in
WinNT.

This starts it fine....


Dim MyAppID, ReturnValue

MyAppID = Shell("C:\Winnt\system32\osk.exe", 1) ' Run On Screen
Keyboard.
AppActivate MyAppID

Problem is, what code do I use to close it?

Tks

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From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca  Wed May 28 15:04:38 2003
From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 16:04:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT ASP.NET
Message-ID: <sed4de23.033@cbc.ca>

I have The framework installed and IIS installed. I can't say for sure if they are playing together. I suspect they aren't.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

>>> mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk 28-May-03 2:15:01 PM >>>
On IIS do you have the .NET framework installed. I just wanted to double 
check this. I am doing a tech edit on a new C SHarp Database book and none 
of the authors example code works fot this chapter. But I wanted to be 
double sure before I hammer him.

Martin

On May 28 2003, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:

> Yep.
> 
> With IIS I got a 500 Internal Error.
> 
> With Apache I got a page with no textboxes to enter anything. Just * 
> where the textboxes should be.
> 
> Bryan Carbonnell
> bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca 
> 
> >>> mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk 28-May-03 1:18:19 PM >>>
> Anyone get the opp to check out the C Sharp page I posted last night??
> 
> Martin
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From delliker at hotmail.com  Wed May 28 15:28:30 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 16:28:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Query reference to screen control
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From kathryn at bassett.net  Wed May 28 15:54:57 2003
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 13:54:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Specifying where to open browser
In-Reply-To: <0EAA9F4906BA554FA26E6F9F2C5403022BD600@elmo.co.montgomery.ny.us>
Message-ID: <JGENLKHHDJPDMMDICAKIGEAGEPAB.kathryn@bassett.net>

Wow, that was a nice simple solution, Neal. I'll keep the suggestion from Stuart for future reference, but this alternative makes the position of the dialog box immaterial. Thanks so much for the suggestion.

Here's the actual line used:
OpenFile.lpstrTitle = "Select Photo for " & Me.last & " " & Me.first
as my field names are that simple.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Neal Kling
> Sent: 28 May 2003 5:17:AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Specifying where to open browser
> 
> 
> One way to approach this would be to add the person's name to the
> caption of the browser.
> 
> 
> ' Set the caption on the dialog
> OpenFile.lpstrTitle = "Select Photo for " & Me.PersonFirstName _
> 	& " " & Me.PersonLastName
> 
> You'd have to adjust the field names as appropriate.
> 
> Neal Kling


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May 28 15:56:44 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 13:56:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Query reference to screen control
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FE3@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I've seen both 2000 and 2002 do something like this when they had a
flakey reference.  Nothing was shown as missing in the references, but
calls to a particular library failed until the reference was reset and
some comboboxes with form references in the query  criteria came up
empty.
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
	Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 11:01 AM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: [AccessD] Query reference to screen control
	
	

	I have this odd occurrance in A2K. I have a combo that has
criteria referencing two screen controls, like this
[forms]![frmtestcases]![cmbproject]. Many times (but not always) it
returns nothing when I click it. Then if I go into the grid for the
underlying query and make it 

	=[forms]![frmtestcases]![cmbproject] it works, however it does
not keep the equal sign, it discards it - works for a while then craps
out. What gives?? Just another wierd Accessism?

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed May 28 17:26:48 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 08:26:48 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css
In-Reply-To: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E2941F@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <3ED5C448.17311.2163A4@localhost>

I'd say you are SOOL.

"User agents do not generally *render* elements that appear in the 
HEAD as content. They may, however, make information in the HEAD 
available to users through *other mechanisms*."
(Emphasis added)

This part appears to me to say that the user agent doesn't have to 
use any mark up you specify for the title, so you can't rely on the 
way any particular browser will handle things like 
<h3><title>..<title><h3>: :

"Titles may contain character entities (for accented characters, 
special characters, etc.), but may not contain other markup 
(including comments)"  

This part appears say quite conclusively that you CANNOT specify the 
font size or any other attributes of the Title.  


On 28 May 2003 at 11:17, Mitsules, Mark wrote:

> 
> >Are you saying that <H3><TITLE>...</TITLE></H3> didn't work?
> 
> Yes, that's what I'm saying.
> 
> >IIRC, the later versions of HTML allow the <TITLE> tag to have a
> >FontSize
> property.  If you go to W3C's website you should be able to find the
> full definition of current HTML tag properties.
> 
> http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#edef-TITLE
> No information here pertaining to your recollections.
> 
> 
> My current solution is an obvious hack, I was just hoping someone was
> aware of a more elegant hack.
> 
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:30 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css
> 
> 
> Mark,
> 
> Are you saying that <H3><TITLE>...</TITLE></H3> didn't work?  IIRC,
> the later versions of HTML allow the <TITLE> tag to have a FontSize
> property. If you go to W3C's website you should be able to find the
> full definition of current HTML tag properties.
> 
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:mitsules_ms at nns.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 28 08:21
> To: 'AccessD'
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css
> 
> Group,
> 
> Is anyone aware of a method to change the default size of a <TITLE>
> tag? I have a unique situation where I need to change a <TITLE> tag
> from its default size to <H3> size (PHB strikes again).  Currently,
> the only way I've been able to do this is by placing <H3> tags within
> the <TITLE> tag. Although this approach does change the size as
> required, it unfortunately prints the <H3></H3> tags literally in the
> title bar.  It seems that a CSS approach would address this, but an
> external .css is not loaded until the <HEAD> section...any ideas?
> 
> Any pointers, references would be greatly appreciated,
> 
> 
> Mark
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From anita at ddisolutions.com.au  Wed May 28 19:35:05 2003
From: anita at ddisolutions.com.au (Anita Smith)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:35:05 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Crosstab in Oracle
Message-ID: <6D8C24685B2A614481AD0BDAB0AC94F90B74EC@ddi-pdc.DDISolutions.ddisolutions.com.au>

Hi Guys,

Does anyone on this great list have any suggestions on how to achieve
the equivalent of a crosstab query in Oracle SQL.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

 

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From john at winhaven.net  Wed May 28 22:16:59 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 22:16:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] DAO Version
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJKEPFEIAA.john@winhaven.net>

Are there any problems using DAO 3.6 with A97?


From jamie at kriegelpcsolutions.com  Thu May 29 01:01:37 2003
From: jamie at kriegelpcsolutions.com (Jamie Kriegel)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 01:01:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] simple questions:  combo box help
Message-ID: <OPEIKJLOKOBFPLBDBHPKOEPCDFAA.jamie@kriegelpcsolutions.com>

Hi Everyone,

I have what I hope is a very simple question.  I have a form with a
subreport (actually two subreports).  This form is used in an insurance
database.  The first main form lists policy holder info, subform 1 lists all
policies that this particular customer has (auto, life, home, etc.) and
subform 2 list all dependents on whatever policy is in subform 1 (e.g.
subform 1 lists auto policy and subform 2 shows that the policy holder's
wife and son are also on this policy.)  Anyway, on subform 2 I have a combo
box where I want to pick the dependent's name (if I'm adding a dependent to
a policy.)  My only problem is, the combo box lists EVERY dependent in my
database.  How do I filter this combo box to only show the policy holder's
dependents?

Any help would be GREATLY appreciated!

Thanks,
Jamie


From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Thu May 29 01:34:34 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 16:34:34 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Basic Design Question
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802226C99@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <005701c325ac$5ed20290$3c619a89@DDICK>

Hey Drew
Thanks for the reply
I tried that. But the most appropriate join shows a blank
record from tblOptions but does show the necessary ones from tblReminders


DD

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From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 7:12 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Basic Design Question


> Hmmm, just off hand, to be simple on this, just add a field to both tables
> and set it's default value to 1.  Then you can 'join' the tables on that
> field.
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darren DICK [mailto:d.dick at uws.edu.au]
> Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 7:03 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K: Basic Design Question
> 
> 
> Hi Susan
> Thanks for the reply
> tblReminders has hundreds of records in it with about 7 or 8 fields.
> tblOptions will only ever have 1 record in it with about 5 or 6 fields.
> 
> Nothing in tblOptions relates to anything in tbleReminders.
> tblReminders has date, time, YesNo flags and text fields that hold info
> about appointments.
> 
> tblOptions has similar fields but hold local settings info eg how long a
> timer interval is
> the path for various logos, paths for sound files etc. There will only ever
> be one record in this
> table
> 
> Thanks again
> 
> Darren
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Susan Harkins" <harkins at iglou.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 9:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K: Basic Design Question
> 
> 
> > You're specifying these options for each record in the continuous form?
> If
> > that's the case, why not just base the form on a multi-table query? I
> > probably don't understand the question. :)
> > 
> > Susan H.
> > 
> > 
> > > Hello all
> > >  I have a continuous form that has varying recordsets.
> > > Pretty much the same data but with things like...
> > > Show for a Date or a Date Range Show for Completed/ Not Completed
> > > Show for Future/Past/Next week etc etc. All held in tblReminders
> > >
> > > I have a set of options all held in tblOptions.
> > > I want the settings kept in the options table to be presented to the
> user
> > in the
> > > footer of the continuous form. But I can't get the 2 together because
> they
> > have
> > > no matching record. I can't put the options in a sub form because you
> > can't have
> > > a sub form in a continuous form.
> > > I though about a union query but that means I would have to manage all
> the
> > > current RecordSet setting in pure SQL  - I'm not good enough for that.
> > >
> > > Anyway how do you guys handle these situations?
> > >
> > > Many thanks in advance
> > >
> > > Darren
> > >
> > >
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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Thu May 29 01:40:07 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 16:40:07 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Basic Design Question
References: <3ED34BA9.23144.9BF3F8@localhost>
Message-ID: <005d01c325ad$24b94f40$3c619a89@DDICK>

Hi Stuart
(I'm getting your posts twice)
I tried the subform thing before with no joy.
On my version of Acccess2K If I set a form to be continuous then
enable/add the relevant header and footers. Each time a try to add a subform
I get the message box....
<bold> A form with a subform object can't have it's DefaultView set to 'continuous forms'
You tried to add a subform to a form in desgin view
Microsoft Access will reset the property to Single form

Then the monster turns the Parent form from continuous to single. Bugger

Any other suggestions really appreciated

Darren

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Darren DICK" <d.dick at uws.edu.au>; <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K: Basic Design Question


> On 27 May 2003 at 10:03, Darren DICK wrote:
> 
> > Hi Susan
> > Thanks for the reply
> > tblReminders has hundreds of records in it with about 7 or 8 fields.
> > tblOptions will only ever have 1 record in it with about 5 or 6
> > fields.
> > 
> > Nothing in tblOptions relates to anything in tbleReminders.
> > tblReminders has date, time, YesNo flags and text fields that hold
> > info about appointments.
> > 
> > tblOptions has similar fields but hold local settings info eg how long
> > a timer interval is the path for various logos, paths for sound files
> > etc. There will only ever be one record in this table
> > 
> 
> Create a subform based on tblOptions and put that in the footer of 
> the form based on tblReminders
> 
> .
> 
> 
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> Support.
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Thu May 29 03:20:45 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 09:20:45 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] test
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956A60@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu May 29 05:53:47 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 12:53:47 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Query reference to screen control
In-Reply-To: <Law12-F1005YI9IJsaJ000103f8@hotmail.com>
References: <Law12-F1005YI9IJsaJ000103f8@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <981631726.20030529125347@cactus.dk>

Hi Don

Try specifying in the query [forms]![frmtestcases]![cmbproject] as a
parameter.

/gustav

>I have this odd occurrance in A2K. I have a combo that has criteria
>referencing two screen controls, like this 
>[forms]![frmtestcases]![cmbproject]. Many times (but not always) it 
>returns nothing when I click it. Then if I go into the grid for the 
>underlying query and make it 
>=[forms]![frmtestcases]![cmbproject] it works, however it does not keep 
>the equal sign, it discards it - works for a while then craps out. What 
>gives?? Just another wierd Accessism? 


From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu May 29 05:58:29 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 12:58:29 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Crosstab in Oracle
In-Reply-To: <6D8C24685B2A614481AD0BDAB0AC94F90B74EC@ddi-pdc.DDISolutions.ddisolutions.com.au>
References: 	<6D8C24685B2A614481AD0BDAB0AC94F90B74EC@ddi-pdc.DDISolutions.ddisolutions.com.au>
Message-ID: <1171913811.20030529125829@cactus.dk>

Hi Anita

So you are still with us? Great!

I guess you're after a PL/SQL solution which I can't help you with.
However, if you google on Oracle SQL crosstab you'll find some hints.

/gustav

> Does anyone on this great list have any suggestions on how to achieve
> the equivalent of a crosstab query in Oracle SQL.

> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

> Anita Smith
> Australia


From mikedorism at ntelos.net  Thu May 29 06:44:36 2003
From: mikedorism at ntelos.net (Mike and Doris Manning)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 07:44:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] simple questions:  combo box help
In-Reply-To: <OPEIKJLOKOBFPLBDBHPKOEPCDFAA.jamie@kriegelpcsolutions.com>
Message-ID: <001501c325d7$b34ead20$6f3b0cd8@hargrove.internal>

Does the table your dependent list is pulled from have some field that links
it to the policy holder?  If it does, then just use a reference to a control
on the main form that holds that connecting information in the query for the
dependent combobox.  If not, then you have a big problem.

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jamie Kriegel
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 2:02 AM
To: Accessd at Databaseadvisors.Com
Subject: [AccessD] simple questions: combo box help


Hi Everyone,

I have what I hope is a very simple question.  I have a form with a
subreport (actually two subreports).  This form is used in an insurance
database.  The first main form lists policy holder info, subform 1 lists all
policies that this particular customer has (auto, life, home, etc.) and
subform 2 list all dependents on whatever policy is in subform 1 (e.g.
subform 1 lists auto policy and subform 2 shows that the policy holder's
wife and son are also on this policy.)  Anyway, on subform 2 I have a combo
box where I want to pick the dependent's name (if I'm adding a dependent to
a policy.)  My only problem is, the combo box lists EVERY dependent in my
database.  How do I filter this combo box to only show the policy holder's
dependents?

Any help would be GREATLY appreciated!

Thanks,
Jamie

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu May 29 06:49:39 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 21:49:39 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] simple questions:  combo box help
In-Reply-To: <OPEIKJLOKOBFPLBDBHPKOEPCDFAA.jamie@kriegelpcsolutions.com>
Message-ID: <3ED68073.19451.245C1DA@localhost>

On 29 May 2003 at 1:01, Jamie Kriegel wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
> 
> I have what I hope is a very simple question.  I have a form with a
> subreport (actually two subreports).  This form is used in an insurance
> database.  The first main form lists policy holder info, subform 1 lists all
> policies that this particular customer has (auto, life, home, etc.) and
> subform 2 list all dependents on whatever policy is in subform 1 (e.g.
> subform 1 lists auto policy and subform 2 shows that the policy holder's
> wife and son are also on this policy.)  Anyway, on subform 2 I have a combo
> box where I want to pick the dependent's name (if I'm adding a dependent to
> a policy.)  My only problem is, the combo box lists EVERY dependent in my
> database.  How do I filter this combo box to only show the policy holder's
> dependents?
> 

Set the record source of the combo to something like
"Select DepID, DepName for tblDependants where HolderID = 
frmPolicyHolder.HolderID"

In the On_Current of the main form do a  
SubForm2.Form!cmbDependants.Requery


-- 
Lexacorp Ltd
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu May 29 06:43:50 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 21:43:50 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Basic Design Question
In-Reply-To: <005d01c325ad$24b94f40$3c619a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <3ED67F16.28644.2406CC3@localhost>

On 29 May 2003 at 16:40, Darren DICK wrote:

> Hi Stuart
> (I'm getting your posts twice)
> I tried the subform thing before with no joy.
> On my version of Acccess2K If I set a form to be continuous then
> enable/add the relevant header and footers. Each time a try to add a subform
> I get the message box....
> <bold> A form with a subform object can't have it's DefaultView set to 'continuous forms'
> You tried to add a subform to a form in desgin view
> Microsoft Access will reset the property to Single form
> 
> Then the monster turns the Parent form from continuous to single. Bugger
> 
> Any other suggestions really appreciated

Sample showing how it does work in A2K sent off list. Anyone else 
need one?

-- 
Lexacorp Ltd
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From mitsules_ms at nns.com  Thu May 29 06:52:34 2003
From: mitsules_ms at nns.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 07:52:34 -0400
Subject: OT: google as a verb  Was: RE: [AccessD] Crosstab in Oracle
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29426@nnse14.nns.com>

>However, if you google on Oracle SQL crosstab you'll find some hints.

Just an observation to something I read a few months back...no judgment on
these statements one way or the other.

Apparently, Google's lawyers are hard at work trying to maintain "Google" as
a trademark.  I think the article was discussing the possibility that if
Google were to become too successful, people would start using Google as a
verb.  At that point, Google could lose their trademark much like aspirin
did years ago.



Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 6:58 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Crosstab in Oracle


Hi Anita

So you are still with us? Great!

I guess you're after a PL/SQL solution which I can't help you with. However,
if you google on Oracle SQL crosstab you'll find some hints.

/gustav

> Does anyone on this great list have any suggestions on how to achieve 
> the equivalent of a crosstab query in Oracle SQL.

> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

> Anita Smith
> Australia

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From artful at rogers.com  Thu May 29 06:59:09 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 07:59:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] simple questions:  combo box help
Message-ID: <00bc01c325d9$b6b5bb00$8e01a8c0@Rock>

Presumably there's a table called Dependents that houses all the policy
holders' dependents, and contains a column for PolicyHolderID. In that case,
the query that populates the dependents combo box needs to observe the
current policy holder. There are a few ways to do this. My approach is to
keep everything as clean as possible, so I'd use a static function and call
it from the master form's OnCurrent event.

Here is the template I use for creating static functions:

Static Function CurrentX(Optional lngNew As Long) As Long
'Copy this template each time you need a new set/get function 'Then Replace
"X" with the name of your object, i.e.,"Employee" 'Replace all in current
proc and you're done.

    Dim lngCurrent As Long
    If lngNew <> 0 Then lngCurrent = lngNew
    CurrentX = lngCurrent
End Function

So you'd make something like this:

Static Function CurrentPolicyHolder(Optional lngNew As Long) As Long

    Dim lngCurrent As Long
    If lngNew <> 0 Then lngCurrent = lngNew
    CurrentPolicyHolder = lngCurrent
End Function

In the master form's OnCurrent event, just write this:

    CurrentPolicyHolder(Me.PolicyHolderID)	'adjust the name to suit

Then modify your query to reference the function:

    Select DependentID, DependentName From Dependents Where PolicyHolder =
CurrentPolicyHolder()

That should work as you want.

Hth,
Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike and Doris
Manning
Sent: May 29, 2003 7:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] simple questions: combo box help


Does the table your dependent list is pulled from have some field that links
it to the policy holder?  If it does, then just use a reference to a control
on the main form that holds that connecting information in the query for the
dependent combobox.  If not, then you have a big problem.

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jamie Kriegel
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 2:02 AM
To: Accessd at Databaseadvisors.Com
Subject: [AccessD] simple questions: combo box help


Hi Everyone,

I have what I hope is a very simple question.  I have a form with a
subreport (actually two subreports).  This form is used in an insurance
database.  The first main form lists policy holder info, subform 1 lists all
policies that this particular customer has (auto, life, home, etc.) and
subform 2 list all dependents on whatever policy is in subform 1 (e.g.
subform 1 lists auto policy and subform 2 shows that the policy holder's
wife and son are also on this policy.)  Anyway, on subform 2 I have a combo
box where I want to pick the dependent's name (if I'm adding a dependent to
a policy.)  My only problem is, the combo box lists EVERY dependent in my
database.  How do I filter this combo box to only show the policy holder's
dependents?

Any help would be GREATLY appreciated!

Thanks,
Jamie

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From artful at rogers.com  Thu May 29 07:11:01 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 08:11:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] simple questions:  combo box help
In-Reply-To: <00bc01c325d9$b6b5bb00$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <00bd01c325db$5f4f1670$8e01a8c0@Rock>

I forgot one last thing. In the OnEnter of subform 2, requery the dependents
combo.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: May 29, 2003 7:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] simple questions: combo box help


Presumably there's a table called Dependents that houses all the policy
holders' dependents, and contains a column for PolicyHolderID. In that case,
the query that populates the dependents combo box needs to observe the
current policy holder. There are a few ways to do this. My approach is to
keep everything as clean as possible, so I'd use a static function and call
it from the master form's OnCurrent event.

Here is the template I use for creating static functions:

Static Function CurrentX(Optional lngNew As Long) As Long
'Copy this template each time you need a new set/get function 'Then Replace
"X" with the name of your object, i.e.,"Employee" 'Replace all in current
proc and you're done.

    Dim lngCurrent As Long
    If lngNew <> 0 Then lngCurrent = lngNew
    CurrentX = lngCurrent
End Function

So you'd make something like this:

Static Function CurrentPolicyHolder(Optional lngNew As Long) As Long

    Dim lngCurrent As Long
    If lngNew <> 0 Then lngCurrent = lngNew
    CurrentPolicyHolder = lngCurrent
End Function

In the master form's OnCurrent event, just write this:

    CurrentPolicyHolder(Me.PolicyHolderID)	'adjust the name to suit

Then modify your query to reference the function:

    Select DependentID, DependentName From Dependents Where PolicyHolder =
CurrentPolicyHolder()

That should work as you want.

Hth,
Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike and Doris
Manning
Sent: May 29, 2003 7:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] simple questions: combo box help


Does the table your dependent list is pulled from have some field that links
it to the policy holder?  If it does, then just use a reference to a control
on the main form that holds that connecting information in the query for the
dependent combobox.  If not, then you have a big problem.

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jamie Kriegel
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 2:02 AM
To: Accessd at Databaseadvisors.Com
Subject: [AccessD] simple questions: combo box help


Hi Everyone,

I have what I hope is a very simple question.  I have a form with a
subreport (actually two subreports).  This form is used in an insurance
database.  The first main form lists policy holder info, subform 1 lists all
policies that this particular customer has (auto, life, home, etc.) and
subform 2 list all dependents on whatever policy is in subform 1 (e.g.
subform 1 lists auto policy and subform 2 shows that the policy holder's
wife and son are also on this policy.)  Anyway, on subform 2 I have a combo
box where I want to pick the dependent's name (if I'm adding a dependent to
a policy.)  My only problem is, the combo box lists EVERY dependent in my
database.  How do I filter this combo box to only show the policy holder's
dependents?

Any help would be GREATLY appreciated!

Thanks,
Jamie

_______________________________________________
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Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

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From jjwrite at earthlink.net  Thu May 29 07:17:50 2003
From: jjwrite at earthlink.net (Judy Johnson)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 8:17:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] XP - File Date
Message-ID: <412003542912175020@earthlink.net>

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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Thu May 29 07:48:34 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 07:48:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] XP - File Date
Message-ID: <BAY2-F48sQO8qPLlxw000001ba9@hotmail.com>

Hi Judy,

Have a look at the FiileDateTime function;

>From A97 Help file....

FiileDateTime function

Returns a Variant (Date) that indicates the date and time when a file was 
created or last modified.

Syntax

FileDateTime(pathname)

The required pathname argument is a string expression that specifies a file 
name. The pathname may include the directory or folder, and the drive.


Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





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>Subject: [AccessD] XP - File Date
>Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 8:17:50 -0400
>
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From delliker at hotmail.com  Thu May 29 08:16:25 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 09:16:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Query reference to screen control
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From delliker at hotmail.com  Thu May 29 08:19:44 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 09:19:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Query reference to screen control
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu May 29 08:21:43 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 15:21:43 +0200
Subject: OT: google as a verb  Was: RE: [AccessD] Crosstab in Oracle
In-Reply-To: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29426@nnse14.nns.com>
References: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29426@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <12410507488.20030529152143@cactus.dk>

Hi Mark

>>However, if you google on Oracle SQL crosstab you'll find some hints.

> Just an observation to something I read a few months back...no judgment on
> these statements one way or the other.

> Apparently, Google's lawyers are hard at work trying to maintain "Google" as
> a trademark.  I think the article was discussing the possibility that if
> Google were to become too successful, people would start using Google as a
> verb.  At that point, Google could lose their trademark much like aspirin
> did years ago.

Maybe - or maybe not: Xerox did not.

/gustav


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu May 29 08:27:28 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 09:27:28 -0400
Subject: OT: google as a verb  Was: RE: [AccessD] Crosstab in Oracle
In-Reply-To: <12410507488.20030529152143@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEIMDOAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I think the lawyers are hard at work trying to convince the world that they
need more lawyers.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: OT: google as a verb Was: RE: [AccessD] Crosstab in Oracle


Hi Mark

>>However, if you google on Oracle SQL crosstab you'll find some hints.

> Just an observation to something I read a few months back...no judgment on
> these statements one way or the other.

> Apparently, Google's lawyers are hard at work trying to maintain "Google"
as
> a trademark.  I think the article was discussing the possibility that if
> Google were to become too successful, people would start using Google as a
> verb.  At that point, Google could lose their trademark much like aspirin
> did years ago.

Maybe - or maybe not: Xerox did not.

/gustav

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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Thu May 29 08:33:30 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 08:33:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] RE: OT: google as a verb 
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F35882@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

John,

And the best way they know of doing that is to sue everybody! <grin>

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Thursday 2003 May 29 08:27
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: OT: google as a verb Was: RE: [AccessD] Crosstab in Oracle

I think the lawyers are hard at work trying to convince the world that
they need more lawyers.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

From jamie at kriegelpcsolutions.com  Thu May 29 08:37:17 2003
From: jamie at kriegelpcsolutions.com (Jamie Kriegel)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 08:37:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] simple questions:  combo box help
In-Reply-To: <00bd01c325db$5f4f1670$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <OPEIKJLOKOBFPLBDBHPKAEOKEBAA.jamie@kriegelpcsolutions.com>

Thanks for the help arthur . . . how do I requery the dependents combo on
subform 2?

Also, I'm wondering if I have this set up properly as far as relationships
go . . .can I email you off list with a print out of my tables and
relationships.  I'd really appreciate your input/opinion as to wether or not
I have them set up properly.

Thanks,
Jamie

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 7:11 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] simple questions: combo box help


I forgot one last thing. In the OnEnter of subform 2, requery the dependents
combo.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: May 29, 2003 7:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] simple questions: combo box help


Presumably there's a table called Dependents that houses all the policy
holders' dependents, and contains a column for PolicyHolderID. In that case,
the query that populates the dependents combo box needs to observe the
current policy holder. There are a few ways to do this. My approach is to
keep everything as clean as possible, so I'd use a static function and call
it from the master form's OnCurrent event.

Here is the template I use for creating static functions:

Static Function CurrentX(Optional lngNew As Long) As Long
'Copy this template each time you need a new set/get function 'Then Replace
"X" with the name of your object, i.e.,"Employee" 'Replace all in current
proc and you're done.

    Dim lngCurrent As Long
    If lngNew <> 0 Then lngCurrent = lngNew
    CurrentX = lngCurrent
End Function

So you'd make something like this:

Static Function CurrentPolicyHolder(Optional lngNew As Long) As Long

    Dim lngCurrent As Long
    If lngNew <> 0 Then lngCurrent = lngNew
    CurrentPolicyHolder = lngCurrent
End Function

In the master form's OnCurrent event, just write this:

    CurrentPolicyHolder(Me.PolicyHolderID)	'adjust the name to suit

Then modify your query to reference the function:

    Select DependentID, DependentName From Dependents Where PolicyHolder =
CurrentPolicyHolder()

That should work as you want.

Hth,
Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike and Doris
Manning
Sent: May 29, 2003 7:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] simple questions: combo box help


Does the table your dependent list is pulled from have some field that links
it to the policy holder?  If it does, then just use a reference to a control
on the main form that holds that connecting information in the query for the
dependent combobox.  If not, then you have a big problem.

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jamie Kriegel
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 2:02 AM
To: Accessd at Databaseadvisors.Com
Subject: [AccessD] simple questions: combo box help


Hi Everyone,

I have what I hope is a very simple question.  I have a form with a
subreport (actually two subreports).  This form is used in an insurance
database.  The first main form lists policy holder info, subform 1 lists all
policies that this particular customer has (auto, life, home, etc.) and
subform 2 list all dependents on whatever policy is in subform 1 (e.g.
subform 1 lists auto policy and subform 2 shows that the policy holder's
wife and son are also on this policy.)  Anyway, on subform 2 I have a combo
box where I want to pick the dependent's name (if I'm adding a dependent to
a policy.)  My only problem is, the combo box lists EVERY dependent in my
database.  How do I filter this combo box to only show the policy holder's
dependents?

Any help would be GREATLY appreciated!

Thanks,
Jamie

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From mitsules_ms at nns.com  Thu May 29 08:34:33 2003
From: mitsules_ms at nns.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 09:34:33 -0400
Subject: OT: google as a verb  Was: RE: [AccessD] Crosstab in Oracle
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29427@nnse14.nns.com>

...yep.



-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:27 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: OT: google as a verb Was: RE: [AccessD] Crosstab in Oracle


I think the lawyers are hard at work trying to convince the world that they
need more lawyers.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: OT: google as a verb Was: RE: [AccessD] Crosstab in Oracle


Hi Mark

>>However, if you google on Oracle SQL crosstab you'll find some hints.

> Just an observation to something I read a few months back...no 
> judgment on these statements one way or the other.

> Apparently, Google's lawyers are hard at work trying to maintain 
> "Google"
as
> a trademark.  I think the article was discussing the possibility that 
> if Google were to become too successful, people would start using 
> Google as a verb.  At that point, Google could lose their trademark 
> much like aspirin did years ago.

Maybe - or maybe not: Xerox did not.

/gustav

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From mitsules_ms at nns.com  Thu May 29 08:39:01 2003
From: mitsules_ms at nns.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 09:39:01 -0400
Subject: OT: google as a verb  Was: RE: [AccessD] Crosstab in Oracle
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29428@nnse14.nns.com>

>Maybe - or maybe not: Xerox did not.

Actually, IIRC, Xerox was discussed in that article as a company who had
achieved their goal by aggressively doing the same thing.



Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: OT: google as a verb Was: RE: [AccessD] Crosstab in Oracle


Hi Mark

>>However, if you google on Oracle SQL crosstab you'll find some hints.

> Just an observation to something I read a few months back...no 
> judgment on these statements one way or the other.

> Apparently, Google's lawyers are hard at work trying to maintain 
> "Google" as a trademark.  I think the article was discussing the 
> possibility that if Google were to become too successful, people would 
> start using Google as a verb.  At that point, Google could lose their 
> trademark much like aspirin did years ago.

Maybe - or maybe not: Xerox did not.

/gustav

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From liz at symphonyinfo.com  Thu May 29 08:50:06 2003
From: liz at symphonyinfo.com (Liz Doering)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 08:50:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] DAO Version
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJKEPFEIAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <OBEGLONPCFDNODFCPKAIGECJCGAA.liz@symphonyinfo.com>

Only if you distribute the app to someone who doesn't have the DAO 3.6
reference.

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Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:17 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] DAO Version


Are there any problems using DAO 3.6 with A97?

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 29 09:56:26 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 07:56:26 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] DAO Version
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FEA@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Why would you do that in the first place?  If you have A97 installed,
you have DAO 3.51 installed, and you can rely on it to be compatible
with A97 when you distribute a runtime app or when the target machine
has A97 installed.  If you start mixing versions, you can run into
problems on other machines.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 7:17 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] DAO Version


Are there any problems using DAO 3.6 with A97?

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 29 10:00:07 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 08:00:07 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Query reference to screen control
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FEB@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Parameters referring to form controls work just fine.  Only make sure
you put in the square brackets around each part of the parameter
yourself.  Otherwise, when/if you convert to 2002, you can run into
problems when the query engine kindly inserts its own brackets around
the whole blasted parameter.  Hello?  This is the voice of experience
speaking ...
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
	Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:16 AM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: Re: [AccessD] Query reference to screen control
	
	

	Hmmmm, that's a twist. Does it then not pop up the parameter
dialog because I would be referring to the screen control?...I will give
it a go, and thanks Gustav.
	_d
	




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	>From: Gustav Brock 
	>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
	>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
	>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Query reference to screen control 
	>Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 12:53:47 +0200 
	> 
	>Hi Don 
	> 
	>Try specifying in the query [forms]![frmtestcases]![cmbproject]
as a 
	>parameter. 
	> 
	>/gustav 
	> 
	> >I have this odd occurrance in A2K. I have a combo that has
criteria 
	> >referencing two screen controls, like this 
	> >[forms]![frmtestcases]![cmbproject]. Many times (but not
always) it 
	> >returns nothing when I click it. Then if I go into the grid
for the 
	> >underlying query and make it 
	> >=[forms]![frmtestcases]![cmbproject] it works, however it
does not keep 
	> >the equal sign, it discards it - works for a while then craps
out. What 
	> >gives?? Just another wierd Accessism? 
	> 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 29 10:01:41 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 08:01:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Basic Design Question
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FEC@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I'd like to see it Stuart.  Please send to cfoust at infostatsystems.com

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg] 
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 3:44 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K: Basic Design Question


On 29 May 2003 at 16:40, Darren DICK wrote:

> Hi Stuart
> (I'm getting your posts twice)
> I tried the subform thing before with no joy.
> On my version of Acccess2K If I set a form to be continuous then 
> enable/add the relevant header and footers. Each time a try to add a 
> subform I get the message box.... <bold> A form with a subform object 
> can't have it's DefaultView set to 'continuous forms' You tried to add

> a subform to a form in desgin view Microsoft Access will reset the 
> property to Single form
> 
> Then the monster turns the Parent form from continuous to single. 
> Bugger
> 
> Any other suggestions really appreciated

Sample showing how it does work in A2K sent off list. Anyone else 
need one?

-- 
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From delliker at hotmail.com  Thu May 29 10:23:38 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 11:23:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Outlook combobox question
Message-ID: <Law12-F68eIsKtjAWoK00022e69@hotmail.com>

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From pjones at btl.net  Thu May 29 10:27:30 2003
From: pjones at btl.net (Paul M. Jones)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 09:27:30 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 'windows in taskbar' setting on Windows Terminal Server
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FEA@infoserver01.infost
 at.local>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030529090815.0289c258@btlmail.btl.net>


I have an .mde application running on a windows terminal server 
system.  The users hate the multiple windows on the task bar so I turned 
off the 'windows in taskbar' option but that option seems to work only for 
the user that turned off the option.  It is still set for everybody else. I 
imagine that the option is set for the individual user and not necessarily 
the MS Access file.  I can't afford to allow users to go in and mess with 
the options settings.  Is there any way to set that option with code at 
runtime?

Paul M. Jones
Spire Services Ltd



From joconnell at indy.rr.com  Thu May 29 10:48:37 2003
From: joconnell at indy.rr.com (Joseph O'Connell)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:48:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] XP - File Date
Message-ID: <014101c325f9$cb653d80$6601a8c0@joe.indy.rr.com>

Judy,

This function will return both the creation date/time and the modify date/time.

Joe O'Connell
joconnell at indy.rr.com


Public Function ReturnFileDates(ByVal strFullPath As String, _
                                                ByRef dtmCreateDate As Date, _
                                                ByRef dtmModifyDate As Date) As Boolean
    Dim objFileSystem As Object
    Dim varFileInfo As Variant
    On Error Resume Next
    Set objFileSystem = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
    Set varFileInfo = objFileSystem.GetFile(strFullPath)
    If Err.Number = 0 Then
        ReturnFileDates = True
        dtmModifyDate = varFileInfo.DateLastModified
        dtmCreateDate = varFileInfo.DateCreated
    Else
        ReturnFileDates = False
    End If
    Err.Clear
End Function



    -----Original Message-----
    From: Judy Johnson <jjwrite at earthlink.net>
    To: AccessD <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
    Date: Thursday, May 29, 2003 7:28 AM
    Subject: [AccessD] XP - File Date
    
    

    Is there a way to obtain the last modified date on a text file and display it in a message box? I have a process that must be run every month but only after a file has been updated. We don't want the process to run automatically, we want user intervention but want to make sure the file is the latest one. We've gone to a Citrix server and the users no longer have explorer capabilities (corporate decision).
    
    Thanks.
    
    Judy Johnson
    jjwrite at earthlink.net
    860-482-8651
    860-309-2484 (cell)


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From john at winhaven.net  Thu May 29 10:48:22 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:48:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] DAO Version
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FEA@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIOENIEHAA.john@winhaven.net>

For a mde library that I need to distributed with A97 or A2k. (There is no
difference in the a2k app other than it can use an a2k BE.)

I was thinking that if the library's reference was to DAO 3.6 in the library
then I could distribute it with both A97 and A2k versions of the app. Maybe
I'm way off the mark here but I'm speculating about preventative measures.

I haven't had any problems with the A97 version library or the FE when
referencing DAO 3.6 but then again I'm not an end user.

JB

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> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:56 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] DAO Version
>
>
> Why would you do that in the first place?  If you have A97 installed,
> you have DAO 3.51 installed, and you can rely on it to be compatible
> with A97 when you distribute a runtime app or when the target machine
> has A97 installed.  If you start mixing versions, you can run into
> problems on other machines.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 7:17 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] DAO Version
>
>
> Are there any problems using DAO 3.6 with A97?
>
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From mitsules_ms at nns.com  Thu May 29 10:59:53 2003
From: mitsules_ms at nns.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 11:59:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT HTML Authoring
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E2942B@nnse14.nns.com>

Martin,

If you're still interested in this topic, I ran across another option.
Beware of huge line wrap.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/downloads/samples/internet/default.asp?url=/Downlo
ads/samples/Internet/browser/editcntrl/default.asp

Description
The DHTML Editing control provides a full-featured WYSIWYG HTML editor as a
control that you can add to any application.


In other words, you might be able to "roll your own" with minimal effort.

Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK [mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK] 
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 4:05 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT HTML Authoring


Anyone know of a good simple HTML authoring tool that is free. Must be 
WYSIWYG. I am looking at free tools for students to use. Oh and cannot be 
Netscape.

Martin
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 29 11:09:00 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 09:09:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] DAO Version
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FF0@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I strongly recommend that you have two versions of the mde, one for A97
and one for A2k.  We have not had any luck packaging an A97 mde library
with AXP.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 7:48 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] DAO Version


For a mde library that I need to distributed with A97 or A2k. (There is
no difference in the a2k app other than it can use an a2k BE.)

I was thinking that if the library's reference was to DAO 3.6 in the
library then I could distribute it with both A97 and A2k versions of the
app. Maybe I'm way off the mark here but I'm speculating about
preventative measures.

I haven't had any problems with the A97 version library or the FE when
referencing DAO 3.6 but then again I'm not an end user.

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> Foust
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:56 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] DAO Version
>
>
> Why would you do that in the first place?  If you have A97 installed, 
> you have DAO 3.51 installed, and you can rely on it to be compatible 
> with A97 when you distribute a runtime app or when the target machine 
> has A97 installed.  If you start mixing versions, you can run into 
> problems on other machines.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 7:17 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] DAO Version
>
>
> Are there any problems using DAO 3.6 with A97?
>
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From papparuff at attbi.com  Thu May 29 11:12:11 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 09:12:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Outlook combobox question
In-Reply-To: <Law12-F68eIsKtjAWoK00022e69@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <01df01c325fd$0f7ade50$6401a8c0@papparuff>

I have done very little development in Outlook itself but Sue Mosher is
an MVP and hosts a newsgroup called Outlook-dev and people there will be
able to answer any questions on Outlook programming.  She also has an
excellent book on Outlook called Microsoft Outlook Programming from
Digitil Press that you might want to consider purchasing if you are
going to do some programmin in Outlook.  Here is the url for the
OUtlook-dev newsgroup.  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/outlook-dev/
 
 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Don Elliker
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 8:24 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Outlook combobox question



I have seen some posts on Outlook from people who appear to know what
they are doing - and I hope no one takes offense at this none-Access
question...

How in the heck do you get a combobox (on an Outlook form) to have two
columns populated by a value list? It says in the NoHelp that if you set
the columncount to 2 it will interpret the semi-colon delimited list as
column1;column2 and so on....does not work for me.

I am sure I'll be buying the book - so if you know a good book I'd
appreciate that info as well -preferably under $500.


Yours in Automation annoyance,

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From john at winhaven.net  Thu May 29 11:24:52 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 11:24:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJGEAEEJAA.john@winhaven.net>

I saw this in Woody's Office Watch and I thought some of you might be
interested...

from WOW 8.18:

6. BURNING MSDN CDS
Last month I told all of you programmers that Microsoft has posted the April
2003 MSDN CDs, and you can get all three of them free for the downloading.
Those CDs include an enormous amount of information on Visual Studio 2003 -
it's the required reference for those of you willing to make the leap from
VBA to VB (or C) .NET.

The CD images are at:

http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-56619af
95835/qtr40enud1.img

http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-56619af
95835/qtr40enud2.img

http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-56619af
95835/qtr40enud3.img

One teensy-tiny problem. The CDs are in ISO image format - so-called .IMG
files - and you may have problems burning those files to a CD.

WOWser TP writes: "To get the files to CD you need a program like "undisker"
found at http://www.undisker.com. This software will open and view the
contents much like standard Zip file software and write the contents to the
CD drive. I only used the time limited shareware version of "undisker" but
the software worked very well and I am considering the purchase of the full
version.

One thing you will need to know is the Volume label that needs to be on the
CD. I am pretty sure that it is the name of the file without the extension.
Without the correct volume name the CD's will not load."


from WOW 8.19:

7. BURNING .IMG CDS
Last week I told you about WOWser TP's travails trying to get the downloaded
April 2003 MSDN CD images burned to CD. He used Undisker, and it worked
fine.

WOWser IW notes that he was able to burn the MSDN CDs by simply changing the
file name extension from .IMG to .ISO, and then using Nero (on a Windows
2000 machine). WOWser RC did the same thing and had no problem with Windows
XP's native file burner.



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu May 29 11:37:55 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 12:37:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJGEAEEJAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEJCDOAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Thanks for this.  I am downloading now.

For some odd reason I am only getting about 180 kbytes / sec today!  This
could take awhile.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:25 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online


I saw this in Woody's Office Watch and I thought some of you might be
interested...

from WOW 8.18:

6. BURNING MSDN CDS
Last month I told all of you programmers that Microsoft has posted the April
2003 MSDN CDs, and you can get all three of them free for the downloading.
Those CDs include an enormous amount of information on Visual Studio 2003 -
it's the required reference for those of you willing to make the leap from
VBA to VB (or C) .NET.

The CD images are at:

http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-56619af
95835/qtr40enud1.img

http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-56619af
95835/qtr40enud2.img

http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-56619af
95835/qtr40enud3.img

One teensy-tiny problem. The CDs are in ISO image format - so-called .IMG
files - and you may have problems burning those files to a CD.

WOWser TP writes: "To get the files to CD you need a program like "undisker"
found at http://www.undisker.com. This software will open and view the
contents much like standard Zip file software and write the contents to the
CD drive. I only used the time limited shareware version of "undisker" but
the software worked very well and I am considering the purchase of the full
version.

One thing you will need to know is the Volume label that needs to be on the
CD. I am pretty sure that it is the name of the file without the extension.
Without the correct volume name the CD's will not load."


from WOW 8.19:

7. BURNING .IMG CDS
Last week I told you about WOWser TP's travails trying to get the downloaded
April 2003 MSDN CD images burned to CD. He used Undisker, and it worked
fine.

WOWser IW notes that he was able to burn the MSDN CDs by simply changing the
file name extension from .IMG to .ISO, and then using Nero (on a Windows
2000 machine). WOWser RC did the same thing and had no problem with Windows
XP's native file burner.


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From john at winhaven.net  Thu May 29 11:40:44 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 11:40:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] DAO Version
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FF0@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIAENLEHAA.john@winhaven.net>

thanks

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:09 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] DAO Version
> 
> 
> I strongly recommend that you have two versions of the mde, one for A97
> and one for A2k.  We have not had any luck packaging an A97 mde library
> with AXP.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 7:48 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] DAO Version
> 
> 
> For a mde library that I need to distributed with A97 or A2k. (There is
> no difference in the a2k app other than it can use an a2k BE.)
> 
> I was thinking that if the library's reference was to DAO 3.6 in the
> library then I could distribute it with both A97 and A2k versions of the
> app. Maybe I'm way off the mark here but I'm speculating about
> preventative measures.
> 
> I haven't had any problems with the A97 version library or the FE when
> referencing DAO 3.6 but then again I'm not an end user.
> 
> JB
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> > Foust
> > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:56 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] DAO Version
> >
> >
> > Why would you do that in the first place?  If you have A97 installed, 
> > you have DAO 3.51 installed, and you can rely on it to be compatible 
> > with A97 when you distribute a runtime app or when the target machine 
> > has A97 installed.  If you start mixing versions, you can run into 
> > problems on other machines.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 7:17 PM
> > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] DAO Version
> >
> >
> > Are there any problems using DAO 3.6 with A97?
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
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> >
> >
> 
> 
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> 


From thevigil at kabelfoon.nl  Thu May 29 11:43:30 2003
From: thevigil at kabelfoon.nl (Bert-Jan Brinkhuis)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 18:43:30 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] 'windows in taskbar' setting on Windows Terminal Server
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030529090815.0289c258@btlmail.btl.net>
Message-ID: <000c01c32601$71318780$115b2d3e@jester>

Paul,

in a startup form use:

    Application.SetOption "ShowWindowsInTaskbar", False

in the on open event.

HTH

Bert-Jan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul M. Jones" <pjones at btl.net>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:27 PM
Subject: [AccessD] 'windows in taskbar' setting on Windows Terminal Server


>
> I have an .mde application running on a windows terminal server
> system.  The users hate the multiple windows on the task bar so I turned
> off the 'windows in taskbar' option but that option seems to work only for
> the user that turned off the option.  It is still set for everybody else.
I
> imagine that the option is set for the individual user and not necessarily
> the MS Access file.  I can't afford to allow users to go in and mess with
> the options settings.  Is there any way to set that option with code at
> runtime?
>
> Paul M. Jones
> Spire Services Ltd
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From klk at ksu.edu  Thu May 29 11:57:30 2003
From: klk at ksu.edu (Keith L. Kovala)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 11:57:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEJCDOAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <PIECKAIKNMEJFPGKJKMGIEBBCDAA.klk@ksu.edu>

Must be something between you and MickeySoft..... 2.5MB/Sec here.

Keith Kovala

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:38 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online


Thanks for this.  I am downloading now.

For some odd reason I am only getting about 180 kbytes / sec today!  This
could take awhile.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:25 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online


I saw this in Woody's Office Watch and I thought some of you might be
interested...

from WOW 8.18:

6. BURNING MSDN CDS
Last month I told all of you programmers that Microsoft has posted the April
2003 MSDN CDs, and you can get all three of them free for the downloading.
Those CDs include an enormous amount of information on Visual Studio 2003 -
it's the required reference for those of you willing to make the leap from
VBA to VB (or C) .NET.

The CD images are at:

http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-56619af
95835/qtr40enud1.img

http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-56619af
95835/qtr40enud2.img

http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-56619af
95835/qtr40enud3.img

One teensy-tiny problem. The CDs are in ISO image format - so-called .IMG
files - and you may have problems burning those files to a CD.

WOWser TP writes: "To get the files to CD you need a program like "undisker"
found at http://www.undisker.com. This software will open and view the
contents much like standard Zip file software and write the contents to the
CD drive. I only used the time limited shareware version of "undisker" but
the software worked very well and I am considering the purchase of the full
version.

One thing you will need to know is the Volume label that needs to be on the
CD. I am pretty sure that it is the name of the file without the extension.
Without the correct volume name the CD's will not load."


from WOW 8.19:

7. BURNING .IMG CDS
Last week I told you about WOWser TP's travails trying to get the downloaded
April 2003 MSDN CD images burned to CD. He used Undisker, and it worked
fine.

WOWser IW notes that he was able to burn the MSDN CDs by simply changing the
file name extension from .IMG to .ISO, and then using Nero (on a Windows
2000 machine). WOWser RC did the same thing and had no problem with Windows
XP's native file burner.


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From delliker at hotmail.com  Thu May 29 12:11:54 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 13:11:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Outlook combobox question
Message-ID: <Law12-F120UM7MdZ8xb00023486@hotmail.com>

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From papparuff at attbi.com  Thu May 29 12:19:56 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:19:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Outlook combobox question
In-Reply-To: <Law12-F120UM7MdZ8xb00023486@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <01f601c32606$8774bda0$6401a8c0@papparuff>

TeeHeeHee. Welcome to the club <gr>.
 
 

John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-) 
Always Looking For Contract Opportunities 

Home: 253.588.2139 
Cell: 253.307.2947 
9306 Farwest Dr SW 
Lakewood, WA 98498 

"Commit to the Lord whatever you do, 
                and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Don Elliker
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 10:12 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Outlook combobox question



John,

Thanks for the link. After much Yahoo based gyrating - I am now the
least knowledgeable member of TWO lists!! - How do I get myself into
these things?! Actually, I think Outlook might be fun.(famous last
words) 

Thanks again,
_D





"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." 

>From: "John Ruff" 
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>To: 
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Outlook combobox question 
>Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 09:12:11 -0700 
> 
>I have done very little development in Outlook itself but Sue Mosher is

>an MVP and hosts a newsgroup called Outlook-dev and people there will
be 
>able to answer any questions on Outlook programming. She also has an 
>excellent book on Outlook called Microsoft Outlook Programming from 
>Digitil Press that you might want to consider purchasing if you are 
>going to do some programmin in Outlook. Here is the url for the 
>OUtlook-dev newsgroup. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/outlook-dev/ 
> 
> 
> 
>John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-) 
>Always Looking For Contract Opportunities 
> 
>Home: 253.588.2139 
>Cell: 253.307.2947 
>9306 Farwest Dr SW 
>Lakewood, WA 98498 
> 
>"Commit to the Lord whatever you do, 
> and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3 
> 
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Don Elliker 
>Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 8:24 AM 
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>Subject: [AccessD] Outlook combobox question 
> 
> 
> 
>I have seen some posts on Outlook from people who appear to know what 
>they are doing - and I hope no one takes offense at this none-Access 
>question... 
> 
>How in the heck do you get a combobox (on an Outlook form) to have two 
>columns populated by a value list? It says in the NoHelp that if you
set 
>the columncount to 2 it will interpret the semi-colon delimited list as

>column1;column2 and so on....does not work for me. 
> 
>I am sure I'll be buying the book - so if you know a good book I'd 
>appreciate that info as well -preferably under $500. 
> 
> 
>Yours in Automation annoyance, 
> 
>_D 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." 
> 
> 
> _____ 
> 
>Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. 
> Get 2 months FREE*. 
> 
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From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Thu May 29 12:20:29 2003
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 13:20:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Outlook combobox question
Message-ID: <FED384E544086A47AAC07C0999BE8D175B705D@albmsx2k.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Don,
In the same vein, you might also check Sue's Web site www.slipstick.com
I think a solution might be there.
 
 
Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
	Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 1:12 PM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] Outlook combobox question
	
	

	John,

	Thanks for the link. After much Yahoo based gyrating - I am now
the least knowledgeable member of TWO lists!! - How do I get myself into
these things?! Actually, I think Outlook might be fun.(famous last
words) 

	Thanks again,
	_D
	




	"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for
them." 
	
	>From: "John Ruff" 
	>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
	>To: 
	>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Outlook combobox question 
	>Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 09:12:11 -0700 
	> 
	>I have done very little development in Outlook itself but Sue
Mosher is 
	>an MVP and hosts a newsgroup called Outlook-dev and people
there will be 
	>able to answer any questions on Outlook programming. She also
has an 
	>excellent book on Outlook called Microsoft Outlook Programming
from 
	>Digitil Press that you might want to consider purchasing if you
are 
	>going to do some programmin in Outlook. Here is the url for the

	>OUtlook-dev newsgroup.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/outlook-dev/ 
	> 
	> 
	> 
	>John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-) 
	>Always Looking For Contract Opportunities 
	> 
	>Home: 253.588.2139 
	>Cell: 253.307.2947 
	>9306 Farwest Dr SW 
	>Lakewood, WA 98498 
	> 
	>"Commit to the Lord whatever you do, 
	> and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3 
	> 
	>-----Original Message----- 
	>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
	>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Don
Elliker 
	>Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 8:24 AM 
	>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
	>Subject: [AccessD] Outlook combobox question 
	> 
	> 
	> 
	>I have seen some posts on Outlook from people who appear to
know what 
	>they are doing - and I hope no one takes offense at this
none-Access 
	>question... 
	> 
	>How in the heck do you get a combobox (on an Outlook form) to
have two 
	>columns populated by a value list? It says in the NoHelp that
if you set 
	>the columncount to 2 it will interpret the semi-colon delimited
list as 
	>column1;column2 and so on....does not work for me. 
	> 
	>I am sure I'll be buying the book - so if you know a good book
I'd 
	>appreciate that info as well -preferably under $500. 
	> 
	> 
	>Yours in Automation annoyance, 
	> 
	>_D 
	> 
	> 
	> 
	> 
	>"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for
them." 
	> 
	> 
	> _____ 
	> 
	>Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. 
	> Get 2 months FREE*. 
	> 
	>_______________________________________________ 
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From MPorter at acsalaska.com  Thu May 29 12:27:54 2003
From: MPorter at acsalaska.com (Porter, Mark)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 09:27:54 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Crosstab in Oracle
Message-ID: <BFBC9BAC6169D411890000508BAE2C53031207D6@acsexch4.corp.acsalaska.com>

Below is a SQL Server example.  Very rough, could be more elegant I'm sure,
and you may have to do some substitution with Oracle commands, but it may
help you structure it out.
 
Aside from some extra columns, this report gives categorical sales
breakdowns (sd.SalesCategory) per sales ID, grouped by year and month, with
a totals column.
 
Select    sd.Year   as Year
    ,sd.Month   as Month        
  ,Case sd.SalesCategory WHEN 'Non-Strategic' then 'Non-Strategic'        
     WHEN 'Customer Svc' then 'Customer Svc'
     WHEN 'GSR'  then 'GSR'
     WHEN 'Interconnect' then 'Interconnect'
     WHEN 'Internal'  then 'Internal'
     WHEN 'Strategic Sales' then 'Strategic Sales'
     WHEN 'Strategic SOA' then 'Strategic SOA'
     WHEN 'Unassigned' then 'Unassigned'
     ELSE 'Missing Sales Id' END as SalesCategory
  ,Case sd.SalesCategory WHEN 'Non-Strategic' then sd.TGTSalesID            
     WHEN 'Customer Svc' then sd.TGTSalesID
     WHEN 'GSR'  then sd.TGTSalesID
     WHEN 'Interconnect' then sd.TGTSalesID
     WHEN 'Internal'  then sd.TGTSalesID
     WHEN 'Strategic Sales' then sd.TGTSalesID
     WHEN 'Strategic SOA' then sd.TGTSalesID
     WHEN 'Unassigned' then sd.TGTSalesID
     ELSE 'Missing Sales Id' END as TGTSalesID
  ,Case sd.SalesCategory WHEN 'Non-Strategic' then sd.SalesRep            
     WHEN 'Customer Svc' then sd.SalesRep
     WHEN 'GSR'  then sd.SalesRep
     WHEN 'Interconnect' then sd.SalesRep
     WHEN 'Internal'  then sd.SalesRep
     WHEN 'Strategic Sales' then sd.SalesRep
     WHEN 'Strategic SOA' then sd.SalesRep
     WHEN 'Unassigned' then sd.SalesRep
     ELSE 'Missing Sales Id' END as SalesRep
  ,Case sd.SalesCategory WHEN 'Non-Strategic' then sd.SalesID
     WHEN 'Customer Svc' then sd.SalesID
     WHEN 'GSR'  then sd.SalesID
     WHEN 'Interconnect' then sd.SalesID
     WHEN 'Internal'  then sd.SalesID
     WHEN 'Strategic Sales' then sd.SalesID
     WHEN 'Strategic SOA' then sd.SalesID
     WHEN 'Unassigned' then sd.SalesID
     ELSE 'Missing Sales Id' END as SalesID
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'InfoServices' then 0
      WHEN 'CPE'  then 0 ELSE sd.total END) as TargetSales
  ,sum(sd.Total) as TotalSales
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'Access Revenue'  THEN sd.Total ELSE 0 END)
as 'AccessRevenue'
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'Centrex'  THEN sd.Total  ELSE 0 END) as
'Centrex'
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'CPE'   THEN sd.Total  ELSE 0 END) as 'CPE'
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'InfoServices'  THEN sd.Total  ELSE 0 END)
as 'InfoServices'
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'Internet'  THEN sd.Total  ELSE 0 END) as
'Internet'
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'LecDirectory'  THEN sd.Total  ELSE 0 END)
as 'LecDirectory'
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'LecInternet'  THEN sd.Total  ELSE 0 END) as
'LecInternet'
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'Long Distance'  THEN sd.Total  ELSE 0 END)
as 'LongDistance'
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'Messaging'  THEN sd.Total  ELSE 0 END) as
'Messaging'
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'Network'  THEN sd.Total  ELSE 0 END) as
'Network'
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'Switched'  THEN sd.Total  ELSE 0 END) as
'Switched'
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'Other'   THEN sd.Total  ELSE 0 END) as
'Other'
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'Access Revenue'  THEN 0
      WHEN 'Centrex'   THEN 0
     WHEN 'CPE'   THEN 0
     WHEN 'InfoServices'  THEN 0
     WHEN 'Internet'  THEN 0
     WHEN 'LecDirectory'  THEN 0
     WHEN 'LecInternet'  THEN 0
     WHEN 'Long Distance'    THEN 0
     WHEN 'Messaging'  THEN 0
     WHEN 'Network'   THEN 0
     WHEN 'Switched'  THEN 0
     WHEN 'Other'   THEN 0 else sd.Total  END) as 'Undefined'
FROM dbo.tblSalesTargets t RIGHT OUTER JOIN
    dbo.vwSalesDetail_Full sd ON
    t.TGTSalesID = sd.TGTSalesID
     AND
    t.Year = sd.Year AND
    t.Month = sd.Month
--where sd.year = '2002' and sd.month = 8
Group By  sd.Year
   ,sd.Month
 ,Case sd.SalesCategory WHEN 'Non-Strategic' then 'Non-Strategic'
     WHEN 'Customer Svc' then 'Customer Svc'
     WHEN 'GSR'  then 'GSR'
     WHEN 'Interconnect' then 'Interconnect'
     WHEN 'Internal'  then 'Internal'
     WHEN 'Strategic Sales' then 'Strategic Sales'
     WHEN 'Strategic SOA' then 'Strategic SOA'
     WHEN 'Unassigned' then 'Unassigned'
     ELSE 'Missing Sales Id' END
 ,Case sd.SalesCategory WHEN 'Non-Strategic' then sd.TGTSalesID
     WHEN 'Customer Svc' then sd.TGTSalesID
     WHEN 'GSR'  then sd.TGTSalesID
     WHEN 'Interconnect' then sd.TGTSalesID
     WHEN 'Internal'  then sd.TGTSalesID
     WHEN 'Strategic Sales' then sd.TGTSalesID
     WHEN 'Strategic SOA' then sd.TGTSalesID
     WHEN 'Unassigned' then sd.TGTSalesID
     ELSE 'Missing Sales Id' END
 ,Case sd.SalesCategory WHEN 'Non-Strategic' then sd.SalesRep
     WHEN 'Customer Svc' then sd.SalesRep
     WHEN 'GSR'  then sd.SalesRep
     WHEN 'Interconnect' then sd.SalesRep
     WHEN 'Internal'  then sd.SalesRep
     WHEN 'Strategic Sales' then sd.SalesRep
     WHEN 'Strategic SOA' then sd.SalesRep
     WHEN 'Unassigned' then sd.SalesRep
     ELSE 'Missing Sales Id' END
 ,Case sd.SalesCategory WHEN 'Non-Strategic' then sd.SalesID
     WHEN 'Customer Svc' then sd.SalesID
     WHEN 'GSR'  then sd.SalesID
     WHEN 'Interconnect' then sd.SalesID
     WHEN 'Internal'  then sd.SalesID
     WHEN 'Strategic Sales' then sd.SalesID
     WHEN 'Strategic SOA' then sd.SalesID
     WHEN 'Unassigned' then sd.SalesID
     ELSE 'Missing Sales Id' END
 
-- I've pulled out the lines for the summary columns per product line.  The
rest group the data to be summarized.
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'InfoServices' then 0
      WHEN 'CPE'  then 0 ELSE sd.total END) as TargetSales
  ,sum(sd.Total) as TotalSales
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'Access Revenue'  THEN sd.Total ELSE 0 END)
as 'AccessRevenue'
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'Centrex'  THEN sd.Total  ELSE 0 END) as
'Centrex'
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'CPE'   THEN sd.Total  ELSE 0 END) as 'CPE'
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'InfoServices'  THEN sd.Total  ELSE 0 END)
as 'InfoServices'
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'Internet'  THEN sd.Total  ELSE 0 END) as
'Internet'
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'LecDirectory'  THEN sd.Total  ELSE 0 END)
as 'LecDirectory'
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'LecInternet'  THEN sd.Total  ELSE 0 END) as
'LecInternet'
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'Long Distance'  THEN sd.Total  ELSE 0 END)
as 'LongDistance'
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'Messaging'  THEN sd.Total  ELSE 0 END) as
'Messaging'
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'Network'  THEN sd.Total  ELSE 0 END) as
'Network'
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'Switched'  THEN sd.Total  ELSE 0 END) as
'Switched'
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'Other'   THEN sd.Total  ELSE 0 END) as
'Other'
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'Access Revenue'  THEN 0
      WHEN 'Centrex'   THEN 0
     WHEN 'CPE'   THEN 0
     WHEN 'InfoServices'  THEN 0
     WHEN 'Internet'  THEN 0
     WHEN 'LecDirectory'  THEN 0
     WHEN 'LecInternet'  THEN 0
     WHEN 'Long Distance'    THEN 0
     WHEN 'Messaging'  THEN 0
     WHEN 'Network'   THEN 0
     WHEN 'Switched'  THEN 0
     WHEN 'Other'   THEN 0 else sd.Total  END) as 'Undefined'
 
--
The rest are group by columns.  Hope this helps.
 
Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Anita Smith [mailto:anita at ddisolutions.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 4:35 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Crosstab in Oracle



Hi Guys,

Does anyone on this great list have any suggestions on how to achieve the
equivalent of a crosstab query in Oracle SQL.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

 

Anita Smith

Australia



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From john at winhaven.net  Thu May 29 12:31:44 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 12:31:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEJCDOAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIIENMEHAA.john@winhaven.net>

Don't feel bad - I'm down to 28.8 for some reason!

JJJooohhhnnn BBB...
:o)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:38 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> Thanks for this.  I am downloading now.
>
> For some odd reason I am only getting about 180 kbytes / sec today!  This
> could take awhile.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:25 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> I saw this in Woody's Office Watch and I thought some of you might be
> interested...
>
> from WOW 8.18:
>
> 6. BURNING MSDN CDS
> Last month I told all of you programmers that Microsoft has
> posted the April
> 2003 MSDN CDs, and you can get all three of them free for the downloading.
> Those CDs include an enormous amount of information on Visual
> Studio 2003 -
> it's the required reference for those of you willing to make the leap from
> VBA to VB (or C) .NET.
>
> The CD images are at:
>
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-80
> 45-56619af
> 95835/qtr40enud1.img
>
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-80
> 45-56619af
> 95835/qtr40enud2.img
>
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-80
> 45-56619af
> 95835/qtr40enud3.img
>
> One teensy-tiny problem. The CDs are in ISO image format - so-called .IMG
> files - and you may have problems burning those files to a CD.
>
> WOWser TP writes: "To get the files to CD you need a program like
> "undisker"
> found at http://www.undisker.com. This software will open and view the
> contents much like standard Zip file software and write the
> contents to the
> CD drive. I only used the time limited shareware version of "undisker" but
> the software worked very well and I am considering the purchase
> of the full
> version.
>
> One thing you will need to know is the Volume label that needs to
> be on the
> CD. I am pretty sure that it is the name of the file without the
> extension.
> Without the correct volume name the CD's will not load."
>
>
> from WOW 8.19:
>
> 7. BURNING .IMG CDS
> Last week I told you about WOWser TP's travails trying to get the
> downloaded
> April 2003 MSDN CD images burned to CD. He used Undisker, and it worked
> fine.
>
> WOWser IW notes that he was able to burn the MSDN CDs by simply
> changing the
> file name extension from .IMG to .ISO, and then using Nero (on a Windows
> 2000 machine). WOWser RC did the same thing and had no problem
> with Windows
> XP's native file burner.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Thu May 29 12:33:08 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: 29 May 2003 18:33:08 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT HTML Authoring
Message-ID: <200305291733.SAA21472@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

thanks mark


Martin

On May 29 2003, Mitsules, Mark wrote:

> Martin,
> 
> If you're still interested in this topic, I ran across another option. 
> Beware of huge line wrap. 
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/downloads/samples/internet/default.asp?url=/Downlo 
> ads/samples/Internet/browser/editcntrl/default.asp
> 
> Description The DHTML Editing control provides a full-featured WYSIWYG 
> HTML editor as a control that you can add to any application.
> 
> 
> In other words, you might be able to "roll your own" with minimal effort.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK 
> [mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK] Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 4:05 AM 
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] OT HTML Authoring
> 
> 
> Anyone know of a good simple HTML authoring tool that is free. Must be 
> WYSIWYG. I am looking at free tools for students to use. Oh and cannot be 
> Netscape.
> 
> Martin
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-- 
Martin WP Reid
Analyst
Information Services
Queens University Belfast


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu May 29 12:42:29 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 13:42:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
In-Reply-To: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIIENMEHAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEJGDOAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Uhhh.... I could cut CDs and MAIL them to you faster than you could download
them!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 1:32 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online


Don't feel bad - I'm down to 28.8 for some reason!

JJJooohhhnnn BBB...
:o)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:38 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> Thanks for this.  I am downloading now.
>
> For some odd reason I am only getting about 180 kbytes / sec today!  This
> could take awhile.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:25 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> I saw this in Woody's Office Watch and I thought some of you might be
> interested...
>
> from WOW 8.18:
>
> 6. BURNING MSDN CDS
> Last month I told all of you programmers that Microsoft has
> posted the April
> 2003 MSDN CDs, and you can get all three of them free for the downloading.
> Those CDs include an enormous amount of information on Visual
> Studio 2003 -
> it's the required reference for those of you willing to make the leap from
> VBA to VB (or C) .NET.
>
> The CD images are at:
>
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-80
> 45-56619af
> 95835/qtr40enud1.img
>
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-80
> 45-56619af
> 95835/qtr40enud2.img
>
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-80
> 45-56619af
> 95835/qtr40enud3.img
>
> One teensy-tiny problem. The CDs are in ISO image format - so-called .IMG
> files - and you may have problems burning those files to a CD.
>
> WOWser TP writes: "To get the files to CD you need a program like
> "undisker"
> found at http://www.undisker.com. This software will open and view the
> contents much like standard Zip file software and write the
> contents to the
> CD drive. I only used the time limited shareware version of "undisker" but
> the software worked very well and I am considering the purchase
> of the full
> version.
>
> One thing you will need to know is the Volume label that needs to
> be on the
> CD. I am pretty sure that it is the name of the file without the
> extension.
> Without the correct volume name the CD's will not load."
>
>
> from WOW 8.19:
>
> 7. BURNING .IMG CDS
> Last week I told you about WOWser TP's travails trying to get the
> downloaded
> April 2003 MSDN CD images burned to CD. He used Undisker, and it worked
> fine.
>
> WOWser IW notes that he was able to burn the MSDN CDs by simply
> changing the
> file name extension from .IMG to .ISO, and then using Nero (on a Windows
> 2000 machine). WOWser RC did the same thing and had no problem
> with Windows
> XP's native file burner.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
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>


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu May 29 12:56:23 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 13:56:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEJGDOAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEJHDOAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I just discovered that the slowdown was the result of downloading from my
dev machine, but putting the file in a dir on the server.  By simply
downloading the file to my dev machine "my received files", the download
speed jumped to a 406 kbytes / sec.  Only 25 minutes / image instead of 1.5
hours.

We're happy.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 1:42 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online


Uhhh.... I could cut CDs and MAIL them to you faster than you could download
them!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 1:32 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online


Don't feel bad - I'm down to 28.8 for some reason!

JJJooohhhnnn BBB...
:o)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:38 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> Thanks for this.  I am downloading now.
>
> For some odd reason I am only getting about 180 kbytes / sec today!  This
> could take awhile.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:25 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> I saw this in Woody's Office Watch and I thought some of you might be
> interested...
>
> from WOW 8.18:
>
> 6. BURNING MSDN CDS
> Last month I told all of you programmers that Microsoft has
> posted the April
> 2003 MSDN CDs, and you can get all three of them free for the downloading.
> Those CDs include an enormous amount of information on Visual
> Studio 2003 -
> it's the required reference for those of you willing to make the leap from
> VBA to VB (or C) .NET.
>
> The CD images are at:
>
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-80
> 45-56619af
> 95835/qtr40enud1.img
>
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-80
> 45-56619af
> 95835/qtr40enud2.img
>
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-80
> 45-56619af
> 95835/qtr40enud3.img
>
> One teensy-tiny problem. The CDs are in ISO image format - so-called .IMG
> files - and you may have problems burning those files to a CD.
>
> WOWser TP writes: "To get the files to CD you need a program like
> "undisker"
> found at http://www.undisker.com. This software will open and view the
> contents much like standard Zip file software and write the
> contents to the
> CD drive. I only used the time limited shareware version of "undisker" but
> the software worked very well and I am considering the purchase
> of the full
> version.
>
> One thing you will need to know is the Volume label that needs to
> be on the
> CD. I am pretty sure that it is the name of the file without the
> extension.
> Without the correct volume name the CD's will not load."
>
>
> from WOW 8.19:
>
> 7. BURNING .IMG CDS
> Last week I told you about WOWser TP's travails trying to get the
> downloaded
> April 2003 MSDN CD images burned to CD. He used Undisker, and it worked
> fine.
>
> WOWser IW notes that he was able to burn the MSDN CDs by simply
> changing the
> file name extension from .IMG to .ISO, and then using Nero (on a Windows
> 2000 machine). WOWser RC did the same thing and had no problem
> with Windows
> XP's native file burner.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu May 29 12:55:32 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:55:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] DAO Version
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FF0@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <3ED64994.1080200@shaw.ca>

If for whatever reason DAO 3.6 is installed, it seems to deregister DAO 
3.51,
so you have to Regsvr32.exe "YourPath\Dao350.dll" and reset your references.
There was a couple of MSKB's on these but I can't find them.
I think if you upgrade your OS from Win 95 to WinXP this occurs.
Charlotte Foust wrote:

>I strongly recommend that you have two versions of the mde, one for A97
>and one for A2k.  We have not had any luck packaging an A97 mde library
>with AXP.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
>Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 7:48 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] DAO Version
>
>
>For a mde library that I need to distributed with A97 or A2k. (There is
>no difference in the a2k app other than it can use an a2k BE.)
>
>I was thinking that if the library's reference was to DAO 3.6 in the
>library then I could distribute it with both A97 and A2k versions of the
>app. Maybe I'm way off the mark here but I'm speculating about
>preventative measures.
>
>I haven't had any problems with the A97 version library or the FE when
>referencing DAO 3.6 but then again I'm not an end user.
>
>JB
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte 
>>Foust
>>Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:56 AM
>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] DAO Version
>>
>>
>>Why would you do that in the first place?  If you have A97 installed, 
>>you have DAO 3.51 installed, and you can rely on it to be compatible 
>>with A97 when you distribute a runtime app or when the target machine 
>>has A97 installed.  If you start mixing versions, you can run into 
>>problems on other machines.
>>
>>Charlotte Foust
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
>>Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 7:17 PM
>>To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>Subject: [AccessD] DAO Version
>>
>>
>>Are there any problems using DAO 3.6 with A97?
>>
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>>
>>    
>>
>
>
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From pjones at btl.net  Thu May 29 13:03:00 2003
From: pjones at btl.net (Paul M. Jones)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 12:03:00 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 'windows in taskbar' setting on Windows Terminal
  Server
In-Reply-To: <000c01c32601$71318780$115b2d3e@jester>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030529090815.0289c258@btlmail.btl.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030529120220.02bd48e0@btlmail.btl.net>

Bert-Jan,

Works like a charm!!  Thanks a lot.

Paul

At 06:43 PM 5/29/2003 +0200, you wrote:
>Paul,
>
>in a startup form use:
>
>     Application.SetOption "ShowWindowsInTaskbar", False
>
>in the on open event.
>
>HTH
>
>Bert-Jan
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Paul M. Jones" <pjones at btl.net>
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:27 PM
>Subject: [AccessD] 'windows in taskbar' setting on Windows Terminal Server
>
>
> >
> > I have an .mde application running on a windows terminal server
> > system.  The users hate the multiple windows on the task bar so I turned
> > off the 'windows in taskbar' option but that option seems to work only for
> > the user that turned off the option.  It is still set for everybody else.
>I
> > imagine that the option is set for the individual user and not necessarily
> > the MS Access file.  I can't afford to allow users to go in and mess with
> > the options settings.  Is there any way to set that option with code at
> > runtime?
> >
> > Paul M. Jones
> > Spire Services Ltd
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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From delliker at hotmail.com  Thu May 29 13:22:21 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 14:22:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Outlook combobox question
Message-ID: <Law12-F79WoK36g7Jt10002390a@hotmail.com>

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 29 14:09:10 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 12:09:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] DAO Version
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FF6@infoserver01.infostat.local>

We have not seen problems with DAO 3.51 being "de-registered" on our
development machines nor on our test platforms.  However, if the MDE
uses DAO code, it will break completely if a reference is bad ... and
you can't reset that, you can only recompile the MDE.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: MartyConnelly [mailto:martyconnelly at shaw.ca] 
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:56 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DAO Version


If for whatever reason DAO 3.6 is installed, it seems to deregister DAO 
3.51,
so you have to Regsvr32.exe "YourPath\Dao350.dll" and reset your
references. There was a couple of MSKB's on these but I can't find them.
I think if you upgrade your OS from Win 95 to WinXP this occurs.
Charlotte Foust wrote:

>I strongly recommend that you have two versions of the mde, one for A97

>and one for A2k.  We have not had any luck packaging an A97 mde library

>with AXP.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
>Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 7:48 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] DAO Version
>
>
>For a mde library that I need to distributed with A97 or A2k. (There is

>no difference in the a2k app other than it can use an a2k BE.)
>
>I was thinking that if the library's reference was to DAO 3.6 in the 
>library then I could distribute it with both A97 and A2k versions of 
>the app. Maybe I'm way off the mark here but I'm speculating about 
>preventative measures.
>
>I haven't had any problems with the A97 version library or the FE when 
>referencing DAO 3.6 but then again I'm not an end user.
>
>JB
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
>>Foust
>>Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:56 AM
>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] DAO Version
>>
>>
>>Why would you do that in the first place?  If you have A97 installed,
>>you have DAO 3.51 installed, and you can rely on it to be compatible 
>>with A97 when you distribute a runtime app or when the target machine 
>>has A97 installed.  If you start mixing versions, you can run into 
>>problems on other machines.
>>
>>Charlotte Foust
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
>>Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 7:17 PM
>>To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>Subject: [AccessD] DAO Version
>>
>>
>>Are there any problems using DAO 3.6 with A97?
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>AccessD mailing list
>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 
>>_______________________________________________
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>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>
>
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From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Thu May 29 14:16:45 2003
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 15:16:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] VERY SLOW report 
Message-ID: <001501c32616$d8a47b60$a2c50a44@hr.cox.net>

I have an Access 97 report that runs VERY slowly (I mean, like an hour or more at times!).  Any suggestions you can offer would be greatly appreciated.

The report header contains 5 subreports.  The detail section contains 7 subreports.  Each subreport contains,on average, appr. 3 detail lines and 1 total line. There are appr. 36 calculated fields per subreport.  There are 54 calculated fields in the detail section of the main report --- SO, 36 x 7 subreports + 54 = 306 calculated fields in each detail section of the report.  Each detail section is printed on a new page.

The report is often more than 100 pages.  There are appr. 20 tables used in the various queries of the main report and subreports.

The client needs all of this info in one report.  It is their Proposal that they submit when bidding on a contract, containing all of the labor rates, fringe benefits, overhead, profit, etc. for each union trade and level (i.e., carpenter foreman, carpenter journeyman, etc.) for straight time/overtime/double time for first shift, second shift, third shift.

Help!  
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu May 29 14:27:32 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 12:27:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] DAO Version
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FF6@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <3ED65F24.4000502@shaw.ca>

I knew I had seen one, there is another on reinstalling 3.51 after a 3.6 
install and some rigamarole you have to go through just won't show up on 
search of MSKB.

ACC97: Error Message: "Compile Error: Function or Interface Marked as 
Restricted, or the Function Uses an Automation Type Not Supported in 
Visual Basic"
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;303829

Charlotte Foust wrote:

>We have not seen problems with DAO 3.51 being "de-registered" on our
>development machines nor on our test platforms.  However, if the MDE
>uses DAO code, it will break completely if a reference is bad ... and
>you can't reset that, you can only recompile the MDE.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: MartyConnelly [mailto:martyconnelly at shaw.ca] 
>Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:56 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] DAO Version
>
>
>If for whatever reason DAO 3.6 is installed, it seems to deregister DAO 
>3.51,
>so you have to Regsvr32.exe "YourPath\Dao350.dll" and reset your
>references. There was a couple of MSKB's on these but I can't find them.
>I think if you upgrade your OS from Win 95 to WinXP this occurs.
>Charlotte Foust wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I strongly recommend that you have two versions of the mde, one for A97
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>and one for A2k.  We have not had any luck packaging an A97 mde library
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>with AXP.
>>
>>Charlotte Foust
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
>>Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 7:48 AM
>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] DAO Version
>>
>>
>>For a mde library that I need to distributed with A97 or A2k. (There is
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>no difference in the a2k app other than it can use an a2k BE.)
>>
>>I was thinking that if the library's reference was to DAO 3.6 in the 
>>library then I could distribute it with both A97 and A2k versions of 
>>the app. Maybe I'm way off the mark here but I'm speculating about 
>>preventative measures.
>>
>>I haven't had any problems with the A97 version library or the FE when 
>>referencing DAO 3.6 but then again I'm not an end user.
>>
>>JB
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
>>>Foust
>>>Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:56 AM
>>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] DAO Version
>>>
>>>
>>>Why would you do that in the first place?  If you have A97 installed,
>>>you have DAO 3.51 installed, and you can rely on it to be compatible 
>>>with A97 when you distribute a runtime app or when the target machine 
>>>has A97 installed.  If you start mixing versions, you can run into 
>>>problems on other machines.
>>>
>>>Charlotte Foust
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 7:17 PM
>>>To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>Subject: [AccessD] DAO Version
>>>
>>>
>>>Are there any problems using DAO 3.6 with A97?
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>AccessD mailing list
>>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>AccessD mailing list
>>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
>>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>AccessD mailing list
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>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 
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>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>
>
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>
>  
>



From thevigil at kabelfoon.nl  Thu May 29 14:39:07 2003
From: thevigil at kabelfoon.nl (Bert-Jan Brinkhuis)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 21:39:07 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] 'windows in taskbar' setting on Windows Terminal
	Server
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030529090815.0289c258@btlmail.btl.net>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20030529120220.02bd48e0@btlmail.btl.net>
Message-ID: <002f01c32619$f9068da0$115b2d3e@jester>

Paul,

you're welcome.

Bert-Jan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul M. Jones" <pjones at btl.net>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] 'windows in taskbar' setting on Windows Terminal
Server


> Bert-Jan,
>
> Works like a charm!!  Thanks a lot.
>
> Paul
>
> At 06:43 PM 5/29/2003 +0200, you wrote:
> >Paul,
> >
> >in a startup form use:
> >
> >     Application.SetOption "ShowWindowsInTaskbar", False
> >
> >in the on open event.
> >
> >HTH
> >
> >Bert-Jan
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Paul M. Jones" <pjones at btl.net>
> >To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:27 PM
> >Subject: [AccessD] 'windows in taskbar' setting on Windows Terminal
Server
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I have an .mde application running on a windows terminal server
> > > system.  The users hate the multiple windows on the task bar so I
turned
> > > off the 'windows in taskbar' option but that option seems to work only
for
> > > the user that turned off the option.  It is still set for everybody
else.
> >I
> > > imagine that the option is set for the individual user and not
necessarily
> > > the MS Access file.  I can't afford to allow users to go in and mess
with
> > > the options settings.  Is there any way to set that option with code
at
> > > runtime?
> > >
> > > Paul M. Jones
> > > Spire Services Ltd
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> >
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>
>
>
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From papparuff at attbi.com  Thu May 29 14:47:29 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 12:47:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] VERY SLOW report 
In-Reply-To: <001501c32616$d8a47b60$a2c50a44@hr.cox.net>
Message-ID: <024401c3261b$234b5d60$6401a8c0@papparuff>

I believe you have answered your own question.  So many subreports and
calculations.  If your main report and/or the subreports are based on
queries, this might be the case where you could look at creating temp
tables through Make Table queries.  You could also add some of the
calculations in the Make Table queries so that they are stored in the
temp tables.  Your main/sub reports could then be based on these temp
tables.
 
And for those who are grimacing when I say temp tables and storing
calculated values <gr>, sometimes they are a necessary evil to speed up
the program.  In my way of thinking, taking around an hour or to
generate a report is way too long.
 
 

John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-) 
Always Looking For Contract Opportunities 

Home: 253.588.2139 
Cell: 253.307.2947 
9306 Farwest Dr SW 
Lakewood, WA 98498 

"Commit to the Lord whatever you do, 
                and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Ryan
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:17 PM
To: Access List
Subject: [AccessD] VERY SLOW report 


I have an Access 97 report that runs VERY slowly (I mean, like an hour
or more at times!).  Any suggestions you can offer would be greatly
appreciated.
 
The report header contains 5 subreports.  The detail section contains 7
subreports.  Each subreport contains,on average, appr. 3 detail lines
and 1 total line. There are appr. 36 calculated fields per subreport.
There are 54 calculated fields in the detail section of the main report
--- SO, 36 x 7 subreports + 54 = 306 calculated fields in each detail
section of the report.  Each detail section is printed on a new page.
 
The report is often more than 100 pages.  There are appr. 20 tables used
in the various queries of the main report and subreports.
 
The client needs all of this info in one report.  It is their Proposal
that they submit when bidding on a contract, containing all of the labor
rates, fringe benefits, overhead, profit, etc. for each union trade and
level (i.e., carpenter foreman, carpenter journeyman, etc.) for straight
time/overtime/double time for first shift, second shift, third shift.
 
Help!  
Barb Ryan

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 29 15:08:13 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 13:08:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] DAO Version
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FF7@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Ah, but then the help desk simply says, "reinstall the application" and
that reinstalls the A97 runtime which includes DAO 3.51.  <VBG>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: MartyConnelly [mailto:martyconnelly at shaw.ca] 
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:28 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DAO Version


I knew I had seen one, there is another on reinstalling 3.51 after a 3.6

install and some rigamarole you have to go through just won't show up on

search of MSKB.

ACC97: Error Message: "Compile Error: Function or Interface Marked as 
Restricted, or the Function Uses an Automation Type Not Supported in 
Visual Basic"
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;303829

Charlotte Foust wrote:

>We have not seen problems with DAO 3.51 being "de-registered" on our 
>development machines nor on our test platforms.  However, if the MDE 
>uses DAO code, it will break completely if a reference is bad ... and 
>you can't reset that, you can only recompile the MDE.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: MartyConnelly [mailto:martyconnelly at shaw.ca]
>Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:56 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] DAO Version
>
>
>If for whatever reason DAO 3.6 is installed, it seems to deregister DAO
>3.51,
>so you have to Regsvr32.exe "YourPath\Dao350.dll" and reset your
>references. There was a couple of MSKB's on these but I can't find
them.
>I think if you upgrade your OS from Win 95 to WinXP this occurs.
>Charlotte Foust wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I strongly recommend that you have two versions of the mde, one for 
>>A97
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>and one for A2k.  We have not had any luck packaging an A97 mde 
>>library
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>with AXP.
>>
>>Charlotte Foust
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
>>Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 7:48 AM
>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] DAO Version
>>
>>
>>For a mde library that I need to distributed with A97 or A2k. (There 
>>is
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>no difference in the a2k app other than it can use an a2k BE.)
>>
>>I was thinking that if the library's reference was to DAO 3.6 in the
>>library then I could distribute it with both A97 and A2k versions of 
>>the app. Maybe I'm way off the mark here but I'm speculating about 
>>preventative measures.
>>
>>I haven't had any problems with the A97 version library or the FE when
>>referencing DAO 3.6 but then again I'm not an end user.
>>
>>JB
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte 
>>>Foust
>>>Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:56 AM
>>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] DAO Version
>>>
>>>
>>>Why would you do that in the first place?  If you have A97 installed,

>>>you have DAO 3.51 installed, and you can rely on it to be compatible 
>>>with A97 when you distribute a runtime app or when the target machine

>>>has A97 installed.  If you start mixing versions, you can run into 
>>>problems on other machines.
>>>
>>>Charlotte Foust
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 7:17 PM
>>>To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>Subject: [AccessD] DAO Version
>>>
>>>
>>>Are there any problems using DAO 3.6 with A97?
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>AccessD mailing list
>>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
>>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>AccessD mailing list
>>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
>>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>AccessD mailing list
>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 
>>_______________________________________________
>>AccessD mailing list
>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>
>
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>


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From john at winhaven.net  Thu May 29 15:33:24 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 15:33:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] DAO Version
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FF7@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIEENPEHAA.john@winhaven.net>

Charlotte:
Just out of curioustiy which version of JET are you using for A97?



From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Thu May 29 15:58:44 2003
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 16:58:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] VERY SLOW report 
References: <024401c3261b$234b5d60$6401a8c0@papparuff>
Message-ID: <002501c32625$19d46060$a2c50a44@hr.cox.net>

MessageThanks, John..... I think that's a good idea.  I'll give it a shot!...........Barb
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Ruff 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 3:47 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] VERY SLOW report 


  I believe you have answered your own question.  So many subreports and calculations.  If your main report and/or the subreports are based on queries, this might be the case where you could look at creating temp tables through Make Table queries.  You could also add some of the calculations in the Make Table queries so that they are stored in the temp tables.  Your main/sub reports could then be based on these temp tables.

  And for those who are grimacing when I say temp tables and storing calculated values <gr>, sometimes they are a necessary evil to speed up the program.  In my way of thinking, taking around an hour or to generate a report is way too long.


  John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist J 
  Always Looking For Contract Opportunities 

  Home: 253.588.2139 
  Cell: 253.307.2947 
  9306 Farwest Dr SW 
  Lakewood, WA 98498 

  "Commit to the Lord whatever you do, 
                  and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3 

    -----Original Message-----
    From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Ryan
    Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:17 PM
    To: Access List
    Subject: [AccessD] VERY SLOW report 


    I have an Access 97 report that runs VERY slowly (I mean, like an hour or more at times!).  Any suggestions you can offer would be greatly appreciated.

    The report header contains 5 subreports.  The detail section contains 7 subreports.  Each subreport contains,on average, appr. 3 detail lines and 1 total line. There are appr. 36 calculated fields per subreport.  There are 54 calculated fields in the detail section of the main report --- SO, 36 x 7 subreports + 54 = 306 calculated fields in each detail section of the report.  Each detail section is printed on a new page.

    The report is often more than 100 pages.  There are appr. 20 tables used in the various queries of the main report and subreports.

    The client needs all of this info in one report.  It is their Proposal that they submit when bidding on a contract, containing all of the labor rates, fringe benefits, overhead, profit, etc. for each union trade and level (i.e., carpenter foreman, carpenter journeyman, etc.) for straight time/overtime/double time for first shift, second shift, third shift.

    Help!  
    Barb Ryan


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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Thu May 29 15:59:35 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 16:59:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] VERY SLOW report 
In-Reply-To: <001501c32616$d8a47b60$a2c50a44@hr.cox.net>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKMEMEGGAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Barb,

  That's a pretty heavy duty report.  Without seeing it directly, it's
difficult to say if it could be optimized or not.  So a couple of general
suggestions:

1. Optimize current report - i.e. are fields that need to be indexed
indexed, move calculations up to the highest query level, etc.
2. Prebuild some of the data in temp tables.
3. Break up into separate reports -  I do understand that they need to
submit all this info, but does it really need to be on "one" report.  Is the
end customer going to know that it was 5 reports that printed a page apiece
or 1 report that printed 5 pages?

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Barbara Ryan
  Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 3:17 PM
  To: Access List
  Subject: [AccessD] VERY SLOW report


  I have an Access 97 report that runs VERY slowly (I mean, like an hour or
more at times!).  Any suggestions you can offer would be greatly
appreciated.

  The report header contains 5 subreports.  The detail section contains 7
subreports.  Each subreport contains,on average, appr. 3 detail lines and 1
total line. There are appr. 36 calculated fields per subreport.  There are
54 calculated fields in the detail section of the main report --- SO, 36 x 7
subreports + 54 = 306 calculated fields in each detail section of the
report.  Each detail section is printed on a new page.

  The report is often more than 100 pages.  There are appr. 20 tables used
in the various queries of the main report and subreports.

  The client needs all of this info in one report.  It is their Proposal
that they submit when bidding on a contract, containing all of the labor
rates, fringe benefits, overhead, profit, etc. for each union trade and
level (i.e., carpenter foreman, carpenter journeyman, etc.) for straight
time/overtime/double time for first shift, second shift, third shift.

  Help!
  Barb Ryan
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 29 16:51:40 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 14:51:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] DAO Version
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FF9@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Jet 3.51

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:33 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] DAO Version


Charlotte:
Just out of curioustiy which version of JET are you using for A97?


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From MPorter at acsalaska.com  Thu May 29 17:11:54 2003
From: MPorter at acsalaska.com (Porter, Mark)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 14:11:54 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited
Message-ID: <BFBC9BAC6169D411890000508BAE2C53031207DE@acsexch4.corp.acsalaska.com>


Thanks for the responses, which fixed a lot of the issue.  

However, on a WinXP Pro machine I'm getting an error on the /wrkgrp switch.
it is looking for the *.mdw filepath by starting in the local documents and
settings, instead of using the UNC path.

Has anyone seen/fixed this behavior?

Thanks,

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:11 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch


After the responses all had the msaccess.exe executible path I recalled that
it was required with the other times that I've implemented it.

I never did know why though.  Thanks for clearing it up.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch


Charles answered your question, but the reason it isn't working is
because *all* command line arguments are ignored if you do not include
the full path and filename to the Access executable in your shortcut.
Since /WRKGRP is a command line argument, it gets ignored when you only
include the database path and the workgroup and leave out the Access
executable.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 4:39 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch



I have a secured Access 2000 file format database and want to use the
/wrkgrp command line switch in a shortcut to associate with the
workgroup on startup.  This command switch is not working 
( F:\sis\CCA_App.mdb /WRKGRP "F:\sis\CCA_Workgroup.mdw" )

the user accesses the correct file but under the system.mdw workgroup.  

I've verified that the file locations and the spelling are all correct.
Any ideas?

Thanks,

Mark


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu May 29 16:49:51 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 07:49:51 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
In-Reply-To: <PIECKAIKNMEJFPGKJKMGIEBBCDAA.klk@ksu.edu>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEJCDOAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3ED70D1F.123.205B01@localhost>

I hate you all !!!!!!!!!!!! :-)

How long will it take me at my dialup average of 4KB/Sec?

On 29 May 2003 at 11:57, Keith L. Kovala wrote:

> Must be something between you and MickeySoft..... 2.5MB/Sec here.
> 
> Keith Kovala
> 
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> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:38 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
> 
> 
> Thanks for this.  I am downloading now.
> 
> For some odd reason I am only getting about 180 kbytes / sec today!  This
> could take awhile.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu May 29 17:29:52 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 18:29:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
In-Reply-To: <3ED70D1F.123.205B01@localhost>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEKADOAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

By my calculations - 44 hours / disc.  Assuming that your ISP doesn't hang
up on you of course.  Dial up ISPs have a nasty habit of doing that.

In fact back when I was afflicted by the dial-up disease, I started setting
my email client to request email every 10 minutes so that they wouldn't hang
up on me.  They set the "no activity then hang-up" time to 6 minutes.  I set
my email client get email every 5 minutes.  They set the timeout to 4
minutes.  I set my email client to get email every 3 minutes.  They gave up
and I stayed connected 24/7.

I don't miss dialup, but I still get the email every 3 minutes.  I just got
used to it.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:50 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online


I hate you all !!!!!!!!!!!! :-)

How long will it take me at my dialup average of 4KB/Sec?

On 29 May 2003 at 11:57, Keith L. Kovala wrote:

> Must be something between you and MickeySoft..... 2.5MB/Sec here.
>
> Keith Kovala
>
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> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:38 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> Thanks for this.  I am downloading now.
>
> For some odd reason I am only getting about 180 kbytes / sec today!  This
> could take awhile.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu May 29 17:36:35 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 17:36:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] VERY SLOW report 
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802226CB1@main2.marlow.com>

Hmmm, few things to look into.  First, make sure you have indexes on
everything that you can, where searches are being used.  (IE, if you are
pulling information from a list, and you only want records that have
'Something' in that field, then you should have an index on the field.).  I
would recommend no more then 3 or 4 indexes per table.....make them count.
 
That should speed things up quite a bit (indexes make a BIG difference).
Next, are you connecting to a Back End source?  If so, try running the
Backend locally, see if that helps.  If it does, there may be some network
issues involved.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara Ryan [mailto:BarbaraRyan at cox.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 2:17 PM
To: Access List
Subject: [AccessD] VERY SLOW report 


I have an Access 97 report that runs VERY slowly (I mean, like an hour or
more at times!).  Any suggestions you can offer would be greatly
appreciated.
 
The report header contains 5 subreports.  The detail section contains 7
subreports.  Each subreport contains,on average, appr. 3 detail lines and 1
total line. There are appr. 36 calculated fields per subreport.  There are
54 calculated fields in the detail section of the main report --- SO, 36 x 7
subreports + 54 = 306 calculated fields in each detail section of the
report.  Each detail section is printed on a new page.
 
The report is often more than 100 pages.  There are appr. 20 tables used in
the various queries of the main report and subreports.
 
The client needs all of this info in one report.  It is their Proposal that
they submit when bidding on a contract, containing all of the labor rates,
fringe benefits, overhead, profit, etc. for each union trade and level
(i.e., carpenter foreman, carpenter journeyman, etc.) for straight
time/overtime/double time for first shift, second shift, third shift.
 
Help!  
Barb Ryan

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu May 29 17:42:30 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 17:42:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802226CB2@main2.marlow.com>

Um, complete shot in the dark, but since W2k, Shortcuts have more internal
information then you think.  For instance, if you have a shortcut pointing
to something.exe on your root C: drive.  Then one day you move that .exe to
another drive or folder, W2k and up will actually 'fix' your shortcut for
you.  (It's a service, so it may be turned off or on, it can even be setup
to be LAN wide).

One bad effect that myself and my co-network admin has noticed, is that you
can have problems trying to copy a network shortcut from one machine to the
next, because the shortcut is actually a shortcut to a internal reference on
your local machine, that points to the network resource, so copying the
shortcut elsewhere is giving them a shortcut to your local internal
reference/shortcut, which they may not be able to access, in fact, it will
usually try to access the same file/folder location on your local machine.
To fix this, we just made new shortcuts from scratch.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:12 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited



Thanks for the responses, which fixed a lot of the issue.  

However, on a WinXP Pro machine I'm getting an error on the /wrkgrp switch.
it is looking for the *.mdw filepath by starting in the local documents and
settings, instead of using the UNC path.

Has anyone seen/fixed this behavior?

Thanks,

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:11 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch


After the responses all had the msaccess.exe executible path I recalled that
it was required with the other times that I've implemented it.

I never did know why though.  Thanks for clearing it up.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch


Charles answered your question, but the reason it isn't working is
because *all* command line arguments are ignored if you do not include
the full path and filename to the Access executable in your shortcut.
Since /WRKGRP is a command line argument, it gets ignored when you only
include the database path and the workgroup and leave out the Access
executable.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 4:39 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch



I have a secured Access 2000 file format database and want to use the
/wrkgrp command line switch in a shortcut to associate with the
workgroup on startup.  This command switch is not working 
( F:\sis\CCA_App.mdb /WRKGRP "F:\sis\CCA_Workgroup.mdw" )

the user accesses the correct file but under the system.mdw workgroup.  

I've verified that the file locations and the spelling are all correct.
Any ideas?

Thanks,

Mark


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From MPorter at acsalaska.com  Thu May 29 17:47:11 2003
From: MPorter at acsalaska.com (Porter, Mark)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 14:47:11 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited
Message-ID: <BFBC9BAC6169D411890000508BAE2C53031207E1@acsexch4.corp.acsalaska.com>

Good point, I've noticed the 'fixit' behavior with WinXP pro shortcuts also.

But this shortcut was built on the machine itself (WinXP with a UNC
workgroup filepath, double-quotes around each filepath like "<msaccess.exe>"
/wrkgrp "<.mdw with UNC pathing>" ".mdb file path")

I've also cleared the 'Start In' box to avoid it starting in the wrong
place.

I'm stumped.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 2:43 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited


Um, complete shot in the dark, but since W2k, Shortcuts have more internal
information then you think.  For instance, if you have a shortcut pointing
to something.exe on your root C: drive.  Then one day you move that .exe to
another drive or folder, W2k and up will actually 'fix' your shortcut for
you.  (It's a service, so it may be turned off or on, it can even be setup
to be LAN wide).

One bad effect that myself and my co-network admin has noticed, is that you
can have problems trying to copy a network shortcut from one machine to the
next, because the shortcut is actually a shortcut to a internal reference on
your local machine, that points to the network resource, so copying the
shortcut elsewhere is giving them a shortcut to your local internal
reference/shortcut, which they may not be able to access, in fact, it will
usually try to access the same file/folder location on your local machine.
To fix this, we just made new shortcuts from scratch.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:12 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited



Thanks for the responses, which fixed a lot of the issue.  

However, on a WinXP Pro machine I'm getting an error on the /wrkgrp switch.
it is looking for the *.mdw filepath by starting in the local documents and
settings, instead of using the UNC path.

Has anyone seen/fixed this behavior?

Thanks,

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:11 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch


After the responses all had the msaccess.exe executible path I recalled that
it was required with the other times that I've implemented it.

I never did know why though.  Thanks for clearing it up.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch


Charles answered your question, but the reason it isn't working is
because *all* command line arguments are ignored if you do not include
the full path and filename to the Access executable in your shortcut.
Since /WRKGRP is a command line argument, it gets ignored when you only
include the database path and the workgroup and leave out the Access
executable.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 4:39 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch



I have a secured Access 2000 file format database and want to use the
/wrkgrp command line switch in a shortcut to associate with the
workgroup on startup.  This command switch is not working 
( F:\sis\CCA_App.mdb /WRKGRP "F:\sis\CCA_Workgroup.mdw" )

the user accesses the correct file but under the system.mdw workgroup.  

I've verified that the file locations and the spelling are all correct.
Any ideas?

Thanks,

Mark


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu May 29 17:59:33 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 17:59:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802226CB3@main2.marlow.com>

I think the Start In box is supposed to have the path to your program files
location.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:47 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited


Good point, I've noticed the 'fixit' behavior with WinXP pro shortcuts also.

But this shortcut was built on the machine itself (WinXP with a UNC
workgroup filepath, double-quotes around each filepath like "<msaccess.exe>"
/wrkgrp "<.mdw with UNC pathing>" ".mdb file path")

I've also cleared the 'Start In' box to avoid it starting in the wrong
place.

I'm stumped.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 2:43 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited


Um, complete shot in the dark, but since W2k, Shortcuts have more internal
information then you think.  For instance, if you have a shortcut pointing
to something.exe on your root C: drive.  Then one day you move that .exe to
another drive or folder, W2k and up will actually 'fix' your shortcut for
you.  (It's a service, so it may be turned off or on, it can even be setup
to be LAN wide).

One bad effect that myself and my co-network admin has noticed, is that you
can have problems trying to copy a network shortcut from one machine to the
next, because the shortcut is actually a shortcut to a internal reference on
your local machine, that points to the network resource, so copying the
shortcut elsewhere is giving them a shortcut to your local internal
reference/shortcut, which they may not be able to access, in fact, it will
usually try to access the same file/folder location on your local machine.
To fix this, we just made new shortcuts from scratch.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:12 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited



Thanks for the responses, which fixed a lot of the issue.  

However, on a WinXP Pro machine I'm getting an error on the /wrkgrp switch.
it is looking for the *.mdw filepath by starting in the local documents and
settings, instead of using the UNC path.

Has anyone seen/fixed this behavior?

Thanks,

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:11 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch


After the responses all had the msaccess.exe executible path I recalled that
it was required with the other times that I've implemented it.

I never did know why though.  Thanks for clearing it up.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch


Charles answered your question, but the reason it isn't working is
because *all* command line arguments are ignored if you do not include
the full path and filename to the Access executable in your shortcut.
Since /WRKGRP is a command line argument, it gets ignored when you only
include the database path and the workgroup and leave out the Access
executable.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 4:39 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch



I have a secured Access 2000 file format database and want to use the
/wrkgrp command line switch in a shortcut to associate with the
workgroup on startup.  This command switch is not working 
( F:\sis\CCA_App.mdb /WRKGRP "F:\sis\CCA_Workgroup.mdw" )

the user accesses the correct file but under the system.mdw workgroup.  

I've verified that the file locations and the spelling are all correct.
Any ideas?

Thanks,

Mark


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From MPorter at acsalaska.com  Thu May 29 18:06:19 2003
From: MPorter at acsalaska.com (Porter, Mark)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 15:06:19 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited
Message-ID: <BFBC9BAC6169D411890000508BAE2C53031207E3@acsexch4.corp.acsalaska.com>

Tried with the Start In box filled and clear, same result.

Shortcut works without the workgroup switch and arguement, which is really
throwing us off.

Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 3:00 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited


I think the Start In box is supposed to have the path to your program files
location.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:47 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited


Good point, I've noticed the 'fixit' behavior with WinXP pro shortcuts also.

But this shortcut was built on the machine itself (WinXP with a UNC
workgroup filepath, double-quotes around each filepath like "<msaccess.exe>"
/wrkgrp "<.mdw with UNC pathing>" ".mdb file path")

I've also cleared the 'Start In' box to avoid it starting in the wrong
place.

I'm stumped.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 2:43 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited


Um, complete shot in the dark, but since W2k, Shortcuts have more internal
information then you think.  For instance, if you have a shortcut pointing
to something.exe on your root C: drive.  Then one day you move that .exe to
another drive or folder, W2k and up will actually 'fix' your shortcut for
you.  (It's a service, so it may be turned off or on, it can even be setup
to be LAN wide).

One bad effect that myself and my co-network admin has noticed, is that you
can have problems trying to copy a network shortcut from one machine to the
next, because the shortcut is actually a shortcut to a internal reference on
your local machine, that points to the network resource, so copying the
shortcut elsewhere is giving them a shortcut to your local internal
reference/shortcut, which they may not be able to access, in fact, it will
usually try to access the same file/folder location on your local machine.
To fix this, we just made new shortcuts from scratch.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:12 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited



Thanks for the responses, which fixed a lot of the issue.  

However, on a WinXP Pro machine I'm getting an error on the /wrkgrp switch.
it is looking for the *.mdw filepath by starting in the local documents and
settings, instead of using the UNC path.

Has anyone seen/fixed this behavior?

Thanks,

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:11 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch


After the responses all had the msaccess.exe executible path I recalled that
it was required with the other times that I've implemented it.

I never did know why though.  Thanks for clearing it up.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch


Charles answered your question, but the reason it isn't working is
because *all* command line arguments are ignored if you do not include
the full path and filename to the Access executable in your shortcut.
Since /WRKGRP is a command line argument, it gets ignored when you only
include the database path and the workgroup and leave out the Access
executable.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 4:39 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch



I have a secured Access 2000 file format database and want to use the
/wrkgrp command line switch in a shortcut to associate with the
workgroup on startup.  This command switch is not working 
( F:\sis\CCA_App.mdb /WRKGRP "F:\sis\CCA_Workgroup.mdw" )

the user accesses the correct file but under the system.mdw workgroup.  

I've verified that the file locations and the spelling are all correct.
Any ideas?

Thanks,

Mark


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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Thu May 29 18:19:02 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 09:19:02 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Basic Design Question
References: <3ED67F16.28644.2406CC3@localhost>
Message-ID: <003c01c32638$b1572bd0$3c619a89@DDICK>

Stuart you da man!!!!!!!!!!!
Dunno why I get the message, but I do.
I then go back and turn the form into continuous instead of
single then all is OK

Thanks so very much

Have a great day

Darren

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K: Basic Design Question


> On 29 May 2003 at 16:40, Darren DICK wrote:
> 
> > Hi Stuart
> > (I'm getting your posts twice)
> > I tried the subform thing before with no joy.
> > On my version of Acccess2K If I set a form to be continuous then
> > enable/add the relevant header and footers. Each time a try to add a subform
> > I get the message box....
> > <bold> A form with a subform object can't have it's DefaultView set to 'continuous forms'
> > You tried to add a subform to a form in desgin view
> > Microsoft Access will reset the property to Single form
> > 
> > Then the monster turns the Parent form from continuous to single. Bugger
> > 
> > Any other suggestions really appreciated
> 
> Sample showing how it does work in A2K sent off list. Anyone else 
> need one?
> 
> -- 
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> Support.
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From ray282828 at yahoo.com.hk  Thu May 29 18:17:27 2003
From: ray282828 at yahoo.com.hk (Ray Li)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 07:17:27 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Failure to open database file
Message-ID: <000001c32638$7a22a220$0501a8c0@SonyRX660>

When I open a database on a pc running Access 97, the following errors
message came out and
failed in opening.

Function isn't available in expressions in query expression '........

The report name 'rptScoreOfAllFactories' you entered is misspelled or
refers
to a report that isn't open or doesn't exist.

The program opened correctly in the past but suddenly it happened today.
Same
program opens correctly on other pcs. Can someone encountered similar
problem before
share with your fixes to me.

Thanks,

Ray

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 29 18:19:21 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 16:19:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C350@infoserver01.infostat.local>

If this is a network drive, you might be having problems for a different
reason.  We've seen network drives that are not mapped to drive letters
just become unavailable on some of our machines, with no pattern we can
identify.  One machine will be fine but a couple of others won't be able
to get at that network location with anything short of a reboot.  We've
seen that on our WinXP machines but also on a Win 2k machine after they
tweaked all our IP addresses and made them static.  Any network
locations that are mapped to drive letters are fine but those we get at
through My Network Places/Network Neighborhood -->Entire Network just
sit there an stare at us.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 3:06 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited


Tried with the Start In box filled and clear, same result.

Shortcut works without the workgroup switch and arguement, which is
really throwing us off.

Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 3:00 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited


I think the Start In box is supposed to have the path to your program
files location.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:47 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited


Good point, I've noticed the 'fixit' behavior with WinXP pro shortcuts
also.

But this shortcut was built on the machine itself (WinXP with a UNC
workgroup filepath, double-quotes around each filepath like
"<msaccess.exe>" /wrkgrp "<.mdw with UNC pathing>" ".mdb file path")

I've also cleared the 'Start In' box to avoid it starting in the wrong
place.

I'm stumped.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 2:43 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited


Um, complete shot in the dark, but since W2k, Shortcuts have more
internal information then you think.  For instance, if you have a
shortcut pointing to something.exe on your root C: drive.  Then one day
you move that .exe to another drive or folder, W2k and up will actually
'fix' your shortcut for you.  (It's a service, so it may be turned off
or on, it can even be setup to be LAN wide).

One bad effect that myself and my co-network admin has noticed, is that
you can have problems trying to copy a network shortcut from one machine
to the next, because the shortcut is actually a shortcut to a internal
reference on your local machine, that points to the network resource, so
copying the shortcut elsewhere is giving them a shortcut to your local
internal reference/shortcut, which they may not be able to access, in
fact, it will usually try to access the same file/folder location on
your local machine. To fix this, we just made new shortcuts from
scratch.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:12 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited



Thanks for the responses, which fixed a lot of the issue.  

However, on a WinXP Pro machine I'm getting an error on the /wrkgrp
switch. it is looking for the *.mdw filepath by starting in the local
documents and settings, instead of using the UNC path.

Has anyone seen/fixed this behavior?

Thanks,

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:11 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch


After the responses all had the msaccess.exe executible path I recalled
that it was required with the other times that I've implemented it.

I never did know why though.  Thanks for clearing it up.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch


Charles answered your question, but the reason it isn't working is
because *all* command line arguments are ignored if you do not include
the full path and filename to the Access executable in your shortcut.
Since /WRKGRP is a command line argument, it gets ignored when you only
include the database path and the workgroup and leave out the Access
executable.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 4:39 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch



I have a secured Access 2000 file format database and want to use the
/wrkgrp command line switch in a shortcut to associate with the
workgroup on startup.  This command switch is not working 
( F:\sis\CCA_App.mdb /WRKGRP "F:\sis\CCA_Workgroup.mdw" )

the user accesses the correct file but under the system.mdw workgroup.  

I've verified that the file locations and the spelling are all correct.
Any ideas?

Thanks,

Mark


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 29 18:24:55 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 16:24:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Failure to open database file
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FFC@infoserver01.infostat.local>

It sounds like you have a broken reference on that machine.  You'll have
to open up a code module and then check Tools-->References to look for
anything that shows MISSING at the front of the reference name.
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Ray Li [mailto:ray282828 at yahoo.com.hk] 
	Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 3:17 PM
	To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: [AccessD] Failure to open database file
	
	

	When I open a database on a pc running Access 97, the following
errors message came out and
	failed in opening.
	
	Function isn't available in expressions in query expression
'........
	
	The report name 'rptScoreOfAllFactories' you entered is
misspelled or refers
	to a report that isn't open or doesn't exist.
	
	The program opened correctly in the past but suddenly it
happened today. Same
	program opens correctly on other pcs. Can someone encountered
similar problem before
	share with your fixes to me.
	
	Thanks,
	
	Ray

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu May 29 19:12:35 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 17:12:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] DAO Version
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FF9@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <3ED6A1F3.2070006@shaw.ca>

Ah, I was confused. It wasn't the 3.51 DAO code libraries being 
overwritten, it was the 3.51 ODBC driver being replaced by the 4.0 ODBC 
driver.

HOWTO: Have Your ODBC Jet 3.5 and 4.0 Applications Co-exist
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;244040

 Some of the exceptions (Borland read only files) in the above article 
have been corrected by Jet SP-6. It should not bother many people unless 
you are using ADO to read multiple mdb's. Then you will have to change 
your DSN or connection string.

ACC2000: Reverting to the Access 97 ODBC Driver After Installing MDAC
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;237575

Charlotte Foust wrote:

>Jet 3.51
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
>Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:33 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] DAO Version
>
>
>Charlotte:
>Just out of curioustiy which version of JET are you using for A97?
>
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From anita at ddisolutions.com.au  Thu May 29 20:36:37 2003
From: anita at ddisolutions.com.au (Anita Smith)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 11:36:37 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Crosstab in Oracle
Message-ID: <6D8C24685B2A614481AD0BDAB0AC94F90103F0@ddi-pdc.DDISolutions.ddisolutions.com.au>

Mark & Gustav,

Thanks for your replies.

Mark thanks a lot for the sample, it looks very promising.

Gustav, yes I am back but unfortunately I am not receiving any mails
from the group yet, a bit of a mystery (I found your replies in the
archives on line), hopefully I will get to the bottom of it so I can
enjoy the list again. The Google search did come up with quite a few
places to look. Friday is a good day for research.

 

Anita

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From jamie at kriegelpcsolutions.com  Thu May 29 21:50:35 2003
From: jamie at kriegelpcsolutions.com (Jamie Kriegel)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 21:50:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Form Questions
In-Reply-To: <005d01c325ad$24b94f40$3c619a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <OPEIKJLOKOBFPLBDBHPKCEPIDFAA.jamie@kriegelpcsolutions.com>

Hi there,

I have 2 questions and I was hoping one of you generous and intelligent
people could help me.

1.  In a form I have a combo box that I use to as a lookup.  For example, my
form holds customer information and I use the combo box to choose a
paticular customer.  When I choose this customer, it is his/her information
that I see in the form.  How do I get this combo to default to a blank?
Right now it shows the name of my previous search in the on screen control
which can be confusing.  I want it to remain blank until I choose a customer
from the list.

2.   I have a form with 2 subforms.  The main form is customer information,
subform 1 is insurance policies that customer holds, and subform 2 is any
dependents that customer may have on a particular policy.  When I add a new
policy for a customer (subform 1), I have to go to a different record and
back before Access will allow me to enter data on subform 2 (dependents on
that policy).

Any ideas would be wonderful!  Thank you,

Jamie


From caa at highway.com.br  Thu May 29 23:20:49 2003
From: caa at highway.com.br (Carlos Alberto Alves)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 01:20:49 -0300
Subject: [AccessD] OT - test
Message-ID: <oprpyw0zv8euy8y3@localhost>

just a test...

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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Fri May 30 03:19:45 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 8:19:45 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Saving Query From VB6 into Access
Message-ID: <20030530081945.HFII4720.fep07-svc.ttys.com@localhost>

To all,

I'm sure I have either done this before or have heard it can be done.  I have a Visual Basic 6 front-end which links to an Access back-end, what I want to do is build a SQL select statement on the fly in VB6 (I have got this far), and then I need to save it as a query into the Access database.

Anyone have any ideas on how I go about this.....

Thanks in advance.

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From artful at rogers.com  Fri May 30 06:14:07 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 07:14:07 -0400
Subject: OT: google as a verb  Was: RE: [AccessD] Crosstab in Oracle
In-Reply-To: <12410507488.20030529152143@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <00f601c3269c$963930f0$8e01a8c0@Rock>

I guess they'll be suing William Gibson for his use of the verb "to google"
in his latest book Pattern Recognition, which, not to get too OT about it,
is a great read.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: May 29, 2003 9:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: OT: google as a verb Was: RE: [AccessD] Crosstab in Oracle


Hi Mark

>>However, if you google on Oracle SQL crosstab you'll find some hints.

> Just an observation to something I read a few months back...no 
> judgment on these statements one way or the other.

> Apparently, Google's lawyers are hard at work trying to maintain 
> "Google" as a trademark.  I think the article was discussing the 
> possibility that if Google were to become too successful, people would 
> start using Google as a verb.  At that point, Google could lose their 
> trademark much like aspirin did years ago.

Maybe - or maybe not: Xerox did not.

/gustav

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From artful at rogers.com  Fri May 30 06:20:32 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 07:20:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] simple questions:  combo box help
In-Reply-To: <OPEIKJLOKOBFPLBDBHPKAEOKEBAA.jamie@kriegelpcsolutions.com>
Message-ID: <00f701c3269d$7bdc1e10$8e01a8c0@Rock>

In its OnEnter event, type:

Me.cboDependents.Requery

Assuming that the control's name is cboDependents.

Sure. E me off-list and I'll have a look. From your description, I would
suggest that the tables be arranged like this:

PolicyHolders:  
	PK = PolicyHolderID
	Name, etc.
Dependents:
	PK = DependentID
	FK = PolicyHolderID
Policies:
	PK = PolicyID
	FK = PolicyHolderID
PolicyDependents:
	PK = PolicyDependentID
	FK = DependentID
	FK = PolicyID

So that one policy for one policyholder with two covered dependents would be
represented as one row in PolicyHolders, one row in Policies, two rows in
Dependents and two rows in PolicyDependents.

Glad to help,
Arthur

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jamie Kriegel
Sent: May 29, 2003 9:37 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] simple questions: combo box help


Thanks for the help arthur . . . how do I requery the dependents combo on
subform 2?

Also, I'm wondering if I have this set up properly as far as relationships
go . . .can I email you off list with a print out of my tables and
relationships.  I'd really appreciate your input/opinion as to wether or not
I have them set up properly.

Thanks,
Jamie

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 7:11 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] simple questions: combo box help


I forgot one last thing. In the OnEnter of subform 2, requery the dependents
combo.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: May 29, 2003 7:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] simple questions: combo box help


Presumably there's a table called Dependents that houses all the policy
holders' dependents, and contains a column for PolicyHolderID. In that case,
the query that populates the dependents combo box needs to observe the
current policy holder. There are a few ways to do this. My approach is to
keep everything as clean as possible, so I'd use a static function and call
it from the master form's OnCurrent event.

Here is the template I use for creating static functions:

Static Function CurrentX(Optional lngNew As Long) As Long
'Copy this template each time you need a new set/get function 'Then Replace
"X" with the name of your object, i.e.,"Employee" 'Replace all in current
proc and you're done.

    Dim lngCurrent As Long
    If lngNew <> 0 Then lngCurrent = lngNew
    CurrentX = lngCurrent
End Function

So you'd make something like this:

Static Function CurrentPolicyHolder(Optional lngNew As Long) As Long

    Dim lngCurrent As Long
    If lngNew <> 0 Then lngCurrent = lngNew
    CurrentPolicyHolder = lngCurrent
End Function

In the master form's OnCurrent event, just write this:

    CurrentPolicyHolder(Me.PolicyHolderID)	'adjust the name to suit

Then modify your query to reference the function:

    Select DependentID, DependentName From Dependents Where PolicyHolder =
CurrentPolicyHolder()

That should work as you want.

Hth,
Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike and Doris
Manning
Sent: May 29, 2003 7:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] simple questions: combo box help


Does the table your dependent list is pulled from have some field that links
it to the policy holder?  If it does, then just use a reference to a control
on the main form that holds that connecting information in the query for the
dependent combobox.  If not, then you have a big problem.

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jamie Kriegel
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 2:02 AM
To: Accessd at Databaseadvisors.Com
Subject: [AccessD] simple questions: combo box help


Hi Everyone,

I have what I hope is a very simple question.  I have a form with a
subreport (actually two subreports).  This form is used in an insurance
database.  The first main form lists policy holder info, subform 1 lists all
policies that this particular customer has (auto, life, home, etc.) and
subform 2 list all dependents on whatever policy is in subform 1 (e.g.
subform 1 lists auto policy and subform 2 shows that the policy holder's
wife and son are also on this policy.)  Anyway, on subform 2 I have a combo
box where I want to pick the dependent's name (if I'm adding a dependent to
a policy.)  My only problem is, the combo box lists EVERY dependent in my
database.  How do I filter this combo box to only show the policy holder's
dependents?

Any help would be GREATLY appreciated!

Thanks,
Jamie

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From artful at rogers.com  Fri May 30 06:22:54 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 07:22:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Query reference to screen control
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FEB@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <00f801c3269d$d04d6580$8e01a8c0@Rock>

That's an additional reason why I dislike going that route. The query then
becomes useless in the absence of said form being open. Static functions are
IMO a much better way to go.
 
Just my $.02,
Arthur

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: May 29, 2003 11:00 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Query reference to screen control



Parameters referring to form controls work just fine.  Only make sure you
put in the square brackets around each part of the parameter yourself.
Otherwise, when/if you convert to 2002, you can run into problems when the
query engine kindly inserts its own brackets around the whole blasted
parameter.  Hello?  This is the voice of experience speaking ...
 
Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:16 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Query reference to screen control



Hmmmm, that's a twist. Does it then not pop up the parameter dialog because
I would be referring to the screen control?...I will give it a go, and
thanks Gustav.
_d





"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." 

>From: Gustav Brock 
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Query reference to screen control 
>Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 12:53:47 +0200 
> 
>Hi Don 
> 
>Try specifying in the query [forms]![frmtestcases]![cmbproject] as a 
>parameter. 
> 
>/gustav 
> 
> >I have this odd occurrance in A2K. I have a combo that has criteria 
> >referencing two screen controls, like this 
> >[forms]![frmtestcases]![cmbproject]. Many times (but not always) it 
> >returns nothing when I click it. Then if I go into the grid for the 
> >underlying query and make it 
> >=[forms]![frmtestcases]![cmbproject] it works, however it does not keep 
> >the equal sign, it discards it - works for a while then craps out. What 
> >gives?? Just another wierd Accessism? 
> 
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From artful at rogers.com  Fri May 30 06:31:35 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 07:31:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
In-Reply-To: <PIECKAIKNMEJFPGKJKMGIEBBCDAA.klk@ksu.edu>
Message-ID: <00fd01c3269f$0740ab00$8e01a8c0@Rock>

I guess I wasn't quick enough. They seem to be gone now. I'm getting page
not found.

Arthur

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Keith L. Kovala
Sent: May 29, 2003 12:58 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online


Must be something between you and MickeySoft..... 2.5MB/Sec here.

Keith Kovala

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:38 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online


Thanks for this.  I am downloading now.

For some odd reason I am only getting about 180 kbytes / sec today!  This
could take awhile.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:25 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online


I saw this in Woody's Office Watch and I thought some of you might be
interested...

from WOW 8.18:

6. BURNING MSDN CDS
Last month I told all of you programmers that Microsoft has posted the April
2003 MSDN CDs, and you can get all three of them free for the downloading.
Those CDs include an enormous amount of information on Visual Studio 2003 -
it's the required reference for those of you willing to make the leap from
VBA to VB (or C) .NET.

The CD images are at:

http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-56619af
95835/qtr40enud1.img

http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-56619af
95835/qtr40enud2.img

http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-56619af
95835/qtr40enud3.img

One teensy-tiny problem. The CDs are in ISO image format - so-called .IMG
files - and you may have problems burning those files to a CD.

WOWser TP writes: "To get the files to CD you need a program like "undisker"
found at http://www.undisker.com. This software will open and view the
contents much like standard Zip file software and write the contents to the
CD drive. I only used the time limited shareware version of "undisker" but
the software worked very well and I am considering the purchase of the full
version.

One thing you will need to know is the Volume label that needs to be on the
CD. I am pretty sure that it is the name of the file without the extension.
Without the correct volume name the CD's will not load."


from WOW 8.19:

7. BURNING .IMG CDS
Last week I told you about WOWser TP's travails trying to get the downloaded
April 2003 MSDN CD images burned to CD. He used Undisker, and it worked
fine.

WOWser IW notes that he was able to burn the MSDN CDs by simply changing the
file name extension from .IMG to .ISO, and then using Nero (on a Windows
2000 machine). WOWser RC did the same thing and had no problem with Windows
XP's native file burner.


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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Fri May 30 07:29:28 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 08:29:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Failure to open database file
In-Reply-To: <000001c32638$7a22a220$0501a8c0@SonyRX660>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKMENPGGAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Ray,

  As Charlotte said, it's a broken reference.  However in some cases, they
may not be listed as "missing" or "broken".  If that is the case, open up
tools/references, check any reference that is not checked, then close the
MDB and Access.  Reopen Access and the MDB and uncheck the reference you
just checked.  This forces Access to refresh the reference information.  Do
a compile save all and everything should be OK.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net
  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ray Li
  Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 7:17 PM
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: [AccessD] Failure to open database file


  When I open a database on a pc running Access 97, the following errors
message came out and
  failed in opening.

  Function isn't available in expressions in query expression '........

  The report name 'rptScoreOfAllFactories' you entered is misspelled or
refers
  to a report that isn't open or doesn't exist.

  The program opened correctly in the past but suddenly it happened today.
Same
  program opens correctly on other pcs. Can someone encountered similar
problem before
  share with your fixes to me.

  Thanks,

  Ray
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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Fri May 30 07:40:19 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 08:40:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
References: <00fd01c3269f$0740ab00$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <001f01c326a8$a39a1050$6401a8c0@default>

I did "a Google" on the first and second cds and found them
on an FTP site but the third one could not be found anywhere.

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

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From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 7:31 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online


> I guess I wasn't quick enough. They seem to be gone now. I'm getting page
> not found.
>
> Arthur
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Keith L. Kovala
> Sent: May 29, 2003 12:58 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> Must be something between you and MickeySoft..... 2.5MB/Sec here.
>
> Keith Kovala
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:38 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> Thanks for this.  I am downloading now.
>
> For some odd reason I am only getting about 180 kbytes / sec today!  This
> could take awhile.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:25 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> I saw this in Woody's Office Watch and I thought some of you might be
> interested...
>
> from WOW 8.18:
>
> 6. BURNING MSDN CDS
> Last month I told all of you programmers that Microsoft has posted the
April
> 2003 MSDN CDs, and you can get all three of them free for the downloading.
> Those CDs include an enormous amount of information on Visual Studio
2003 -
> it's the required reference for those of you willing to make the leap from
> VBA to VB (or C) .NET.
>
> The CD images are at:
>
>
http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-56619af
> 95835/qtr40enud1.img
>
>
http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-56619af
> 95835/qtr40enud2.img
>
>
http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-56619af
> 95835/qtr40enud3.img
>
> One teensy-tiny problem. The CDs are in ISO image format - so-called .IMG
> files - and you may have problems burning those files to a CD.
>
> WOWser TP writes: "To get the files to CD you need a program like
"undisker"
> found at http://www.undisker.com. This software will open and view the
> contents much like standard Zip file software and write the contents to
the
> CD drive. I only used the time limited shareware version of "undisker" but
> the software worked very well and I am considering the purchase of the
full
> version.
>
> One thing you will need to know is the Volume label that needs to be on
the
> CD. I am pretty sure that it is the name of the file without the
extension.
> Without the correct volume name the CD's will not load."
>
>
> from WOW 8.19:
>
> 7. BURNING .IMG CDS
> Last week I told you about WOWser TP's travails trying to get the
downloaded
> April 2003 MSDN CD images burned to CD. He used Undisker, and it worked
> fine.
>
> WOWser IW notes that he was able to burn the MSDN CDs by simply changing
the
> file name extension from .IMG to .ISO, and then using Nero (on a Windows
> 2000 machine). WOWser RC did the same thing and had no problem with
Windows
> XP's native file burner.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Fri May 30 07:42:43 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 07:42:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Form Questions
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F87852@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Jamie,

1.  I presume the form is bound, since what you describe is how bound
forms behave.  If you want it to show blank fields until you select a
record, then you can unbind the form and do the record fetching
yourself.

2.  To get a form to show new data you need to refresh the form or
requery the form's datasource.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Jamie Kriegel [mailto:jamie at kriegelpcsolutions.com] 
Sent: Thursday 2003 May 29 21:51
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Form Questions

Hi there,

I have 2 questions and I was hoping one of you generous and intelligent
people could help me.

1.  In a form I have a combo box that I use to as a lookup.  For
example, my form holds customer information and I use the combo box to
choose a paticular customer.  When I choose this customer, it is his/her
information that I see in the form.  How do I get this combo to default
to a blank? Right now it shows the name of my previous search in the on
screen control which can be confusing.  I want it to remain blank until
I choose a customer from the list.

2.   I have a form with 2 subforms.  The main form is customer
information,
subform 1 is insurance policies that customer holds, and subform 2 is
any dependents that customer may have on a particular policy.  When I
add a new policy for a customer (subform 1), I have to go to a different
record and back before Access will allow me to enter data on subform 2
(dependents on that policy).

Any ideas would be wonderful!  Thank you,

Jamie

From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Fri May 30 07:47:00 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 08:47:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
In-Reply-To: <001f01c326a8$a39a1050$6401a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKCEOBGGAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

You guys should just get a MSDN subscription.  If you do a little shopping
around, a universal subscription can be gotten for $800 - $900.  And yes,
it's legit and not an academic subscription.

  By getting that and a Action Pack subscription, I have access to just
about everything that Microsoft makes.  The only thing excluded is some of
the higher end Enterprise stuff, which I don't get into.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
Mattys
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 8:40 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MSDN cds online


I did "a Google" on the first and second cds and found them
on an FTP site but the third one could not be found anywhere.

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 7:31 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online


> I guess I wasn't quick enough. They seem to be gone now. I'm getting page
> not found.
>
> Arthur
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Keith L. Kovala
> Sent: May 29, 2003 12:58 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> Must be something between you and MickeySoft..... 2.5MB/Sec here.
>
> Keith Kovala
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:38 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> Thanks for this.  I am downloading now.
>
> For some odd reason I am only getting about 180 kbytes / sec today!  This
> could take awhile.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:25 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> I saw this in Woody's Office Watch and I thought some of you might be
> interested...
>
> from WOW 8.18:
>
> 6. BURNING MSDN CDS
> Last month I told all of you programmers that Microsoft has posted the
April
> 2003 MSDN CDs, and you can get all three of them free for the downloading.
> Those CDs include an enormous amount of information on Visual Studio
2003 -
> it's the required reference for those of you willing to make the leap from
> VBA to VB (or C) .NET.
>
> The CD images are at:
>
>
http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-56619af
> 95835/qtr40enud1.img
>
>
http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-56619af
> 95835/qtr40enud2.img
>
>
http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-56619af
> 95835/qtr40enud3.img
>
> One teensy-tiny problem. The CDs are in ISO image format - so-called .IMG
> files - and you may have problems burning those files to a CD.
>
> WOWser TP writes: "To get the files to CD you need a program like
"undisker"
> found at http://www.undisker.com. This software will open and view the
> contents much like standard Zip file software and write the contents to
the
> CD drive. I only used the time limited shareware version of "undisker" but
> the software worked very well and I am considering the purchase of the
full
> version.
>
> One thing you will need to know is the Volume label that needs to be on
the
> CD. I am pretty sure that it is the name of the file without the
extension.
> Without the correct volume name the CD's will not load."
>
>
> from WOW 8.19:
>
> 7. BURNING .IMG CDS
> Last week I told you about WOWser TP's travails trying to get the
downloaded
> April 2003 MSDN CD images burned to CD. He used Undisker, and it worked
> fine.
>
> WOWser IW notes that he was able to burn the MSDN CDs by simply changing
the
> file name extension from .IMG to .ISO, and then using Nero (on a Windows
> 2000 machine). WOWser RC did the same thing and had no problem with
Windows
> XP's native file burner.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Fri May 30 07:40:19 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 08:40:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
References: <00fd01c3269f$0740ab00$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <002001c326aa$76c7fea0$6401a8c0@default>

I did "a Google" on the first and second cds and found them
on an FTP site but the third one could not be found anywhere.

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 7:31 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online


> I guess I wasn't quick enough. They seem to be gone now. I'm getting page
> not found.
>
> Arthur
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Keith L. Kovala
> Sent: May 29, 2003 12:58 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> Must be something between you and MickeySoft..... 2.5MB/Sec here.
>
> Keith Kovala
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:38 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> Thanks for this.  I am downloading now.
>
> For some odd reason I am only getting about 180 kbytes / sec today!  This
> could take awhile.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:25 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> I saw this in Woody's Office Watch and I thought some of you might be
> interested...
>
> from WOW 8.18:
>
> 6. BURNING MSDN CDS
> Last month I told all of you programmers that Microsoft has posted the
April
> 2003 MSDN CDs, and you can get all three of them free for the downloading.
> Those CDs include an enormous amount of information on Visual Studio
2003 -
> it's the required reference for those of you willing to make the leap from
> VBA to VB (or C) .NET.
>
> The CD images are at:
>
>
http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-56619af
> 95835/qtr40enud1.img
>
>
http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-56619af
> 95835/qtr40enud2.img
>
>
http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-56619af
> 95835/qtr40enud3.img
>
> One teensy-tiny problem. The CDs are in ISO image format - so-called .IMG
> files - and you may have problems burning those files to a CD.
>
> WOWser TP writes: "To get the files to CD you need a program like
"undisker"
> found at http://www.undisker.com. This software will open and view the
> contents much like standard Zip file software and write the contents to
the
> CD drive. I only used the time limited shareware version of "undisker" but
> the software worked very well and I am considering the purchase of the
full
> version.
>
> One thing you will need to know is the Volume label that needs to be on
the
> CD. I am pretty sure that it is the name of the file without the
extension.
> Without the correct volume name the CD's will not load."
>
>
> from WOW 8.19:
>
> 7. BURNING .IMG CDS
> Last week I told you about WOWser TP's travails trying to get the
downloaded
> April 2003 MSDN CD images burned to CD. He used Undisker, and it worked
> fine.
>
> WOWser IW notes that he was able to burn the MSDN CDs by simply changing
the
> file name extension from .IMG to .ISO, and then using Nero (on a Windows
> 2000 machine). WOWser RC did the same thing and had no problem with
Windows
> XP's native file burner.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
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>
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From weeden1949 at hotmail.com  Fri May 30 08:23:37 2003
From: weeden1949 at hotmail.com (Greg S)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 08:23:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited
References: <BFBC9BAC6169D411890000508BAE2C53031207E1@acsexch4.corp.acsalaska.com>
Message-ID: <BAY8-DAV1940aq1a6BY0000a323@hotmail.com>

Mark:

I'm using WinXP Pro, and have not had any shortcut issues using the standard
setup.  The specs in the properties box for the shortcut are as follows:

Target Type:    Application
Target location:    Office
Target:    "C:\Program Files\MSOffice97\Office\MSACCESS.EXE" /wrkgrp
"C:\Documents and Settings\gsmith\My     Documents\Access\Bhc
Recorder\Mdws\RecAdmin010903.mdw" {watch for line wrap...}
Start In:    "C:\Program Files\MSOffice97\Office"
Shortcut Key:  None
Run:    Normal window

These work for me and have worked on both local and network drives.  Mapped
drives did not have an issue either until the operator would inadvertantly
(maybe...) remove the mapping...

UNC would also work if put in the parens.

Hope this helps!!

Greg Smith
Programmer


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Porter, Mark" <MPorter at acsalaska.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:47 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited


Good point, I've noticed the 'fixit' behavior with WinXP pro shortcuts also.

But this shortcut was built on the machine itself (WinXP with a UNC
workgroup filepath, double-quotes around each filepath like "<msaccess.exe>"
/wrkgrp "<.mdw with UNC pathing>" ".mdb file path")

I've also cleared the 'Start In' box to avoid it starting in the wrong
place.

I'm stumped.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 2:43 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited


Um, complete shot in the dark, but since W2k, Shortcuts have more internal
information then you think.  For instance, if you have a shortcut pointing
to something.exe on your root C: drive.  Then one day you move that .exe to
another drive or folder, W2k and up will actually 'fix' your shortcut for
you.  (It's a service, so it may be turned off or on, it can even be setup
to be LAN wide).

One bad effect that myself and my co-network admin has noticed, is that you
can have problems trying to copy a network shortcut from one machine to the
next, because the shortcut is actually a shortcut to a internal reference on
your local machine, that points to the network resource, so copying the
shortcut elsewhere is giving them a shortcut to your local internal
reference/shortcut, which they may not be able to access, in fact, it will
usually try to access the same file/folder location on your local machine.
To fix this, we just made new shortcuts from scratch.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:12 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited



Thanks for the responses, which fixed a lot of the issue.

However, on a WinXP Pro machine I'm getting an error on the /wrkgrp switch.
it is looking for the *.mdw filepath by starting in the local documents and
settings, instead of using the UNC path.

Has anyone seen/fixed this behavior?

Thanks,

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:11 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch


After the responses all had the msaccess.exe executible path I recalled that
it was required with the other times that I've implemented it.

I never did know why though.  Thanks for clearing it up.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch


Charles answered your question, but the reason it isn't working is
because *all* command line arguments are ignored if you do not include
the full path and filename to the Access executable in your shortcut.
Since /WRKGRP is a command line argument, it gets ignored when you only
include the database path and the workgroup and leave out the Access
executable.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 4:39 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch



I have a secured Access 2000 file format database and want to use the
/wrkgrp command line switch in a shortcut to associate with the
workgroup on startup.  This command switch is not working
( F:\sis\CCA_App.mdb /WRKGRP "F:\sis\CCA_Workgroup.mdw" )

the user accesses the correct file but under the system.mdw workgroup.

I've verified that the file locations and the spelling are all correct.
Any ideas?

Thanks,

Mark


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From jbhuffman at mdh.org  Fri May 30 08:29:56 2003
From: jbhuffman at mdh.org (Huffman, Jarad B.)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 08:29:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited
Message-ID: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B4801935761@NEWMAN_EXC>

I believe the /wrkgrp switch and parameter have to be at the end of the
command line.  If you have it before your mdb filepath, it might cause some
trouble.

Jarad Huffman

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:47 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited


Good point, I've noticed the 'fixit' behavior with WinXP pro shortcuts also.

But this shortcut was built on the machine itself (WinXP with a UNC
workgroup filepath, double-quotes around each filepath like "<msaccess.exe>"
/wrkgrp "<.mdw with UNC pathing>" ".mdb file path")

I've also cleared the 'Start In' box to avoid it starting in the wrong
place.

I'm stumped.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 2:43 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited


Um, complete shot in the dark, but since W2k, Shortcuts have more internal
information then you think.  For instance, if you have a shortcut pointing
to something.exe on your root C: drive.  Then one day you move that .exe to
another drive or folder, W2k and up will actually 'fix' your shortcut for
you.  (It's a service, so it may be turned off or on, it can even be setup
to be LAN wide).

One bad effect that myself and my co-network admin has noticed, is that you
can have problems trying to copy a network shortcut from one machine to the
next, because the shortcut is actually a shortcut to a internal reference on
your local machine, that points to the network resource, so copying the
shortcut elsewhere is giving them a shortcut to your local internal
reference/shortcut, which they may not be able to access, in fact, it will
usually try to access the same file/folder location on your local machine.
To fix this, we just made new shortcuts from scratch.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:12 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited



Thanks for the responses, which fixed a lot of the issue.  

However, on a WinXP Pro machine I'm getting an error on the /wrkgrp switch.
it is looking for the *.mdw filepath by starting in the local documents and
settings, instead of using the UNC path.

Has anyone seen/fixed this behavior?

Thanks,

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:11 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch


After the responses all had the msaccess.exe executible path I recalled that
it was required with the other times that I've implemented it.

I never did know why though.  Thanks for clearing it up.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch


Charles answered your question, but the reason it isn't working is because
*all* command line arguments are ignored if you do not include the full path
and filename to the Access executable in your shortcut. Since /WRKGRP is a
command line argument, it gets ignored when you only include the database
path and the workgroup and leave out the Access executable.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 4:39 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch



I have a secured Access 2000 file format database and want to use the
/wrkgrp command line switch in a shortcut to associate with the workgroup on
startup.  This command switch is not working 
( F:\sis\CCA_App.mdb /WRKGRP "F:\sis\CCA_Workgroup.mdw" )

the user accesses the correct file but under the system.mdw workgroup.  

I've verified that the file locations and the spelling are all correct. Any
ideas?

Thanks,

Mark


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From papparuff at attbi.com  Fri May 30 08:32:08 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 06:32:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
In-Reply-To: <00fd01c3269f$0740ab00$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <001901c326af$de76b640$6401a8c0@papparuff>

They are still there Arthur.  I don't know why, maybe there is a limit
of how many downloads can be accomplished at the same time, but I got
the same "Page not found" on numerous occasions.  I just kept going to
the url and it finally let me download.


John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
Always Looking For Contract Opportunities

Home: 253.588.2139
Cell: 253.307.2947
9306 Farwest Dr SW
Lakewood, WA 98498

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                and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 4:32 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online


I guess I wasn't quick enough. They seem to be gone now. I'm getting
page not found.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Keith L.
Kovala
Sent: May 29, 2003 12:58 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online


Must be something between you and MickeySoft..... 2.5MB/Sec here.

Keith Kovala

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:38 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online


Thanks for this.  I am downloading now.

For some odd reason I am only getting about 180 kbytes / sec today!
This could take awhile.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:25 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online


I saw this in Woody's Office Watch and I thought some of you might be
interested...

from WOW 8.18:

6. BURNING MSDN CDS
Last month I told all of you programmers that Microsoft has posted the
April 2003 MSDN CDs, and you can get all three of them free for the
downloading. Those CDs include an enormous amount of information on
Visual Studio 2003 - it's the required reference for those of you
willing to make the leap from VBA to VB (or C) .NET.

The CD images are at:

http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-566
19af
95835/qtr40enud1.img

http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-566
19af
95835/qtr40enud2.img

http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-566
19af
95835/qtr40enud3.img

One teensy-tiny problem. The CDs are in ISO image format - so-called
.IMG files - and you may have problems burning those files to a CD.

WOWser TP writes: "To get the files to CD you need a program like
"undisker" found at http://www.undisker.com. This software will open and
view the contents much like standard Zip file software and write the
contents to the CD drive. I only used the time limited shareware version
of "undisker" but the software worked very well and I am considering the
purchase of the full version.

One thing you will need to know is the Volume label that needs to be on
the CD. I am pretty sure that it is the name of the file without the
extension. Without the correct volume name the CD's will not load."


from WOW 8.19:

7. BURNING .IMG CDS
Last week I told you about WOWser TP's travails trying to get the
downloaded April 2003 MSDN CD images burned to CD. He used Undisker, and
it worked fine.

WOWser IW notes that he was able to burn the MSDN CDs by simply changing
the file name extension from .IMG to .ISO, and then using Nero (on a
Windows 2000 machine). WOWser RC did the same thing and had no problem
with Windows XP's native file burner.


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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Fri May 30 08:45:16 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 14:45:16 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
References: <001901c326af$de76b640$6401a8c0@papparuff>
Message-ID: <001601c326b1$b402b8d0$9111758f@aine>

Still there. Am downling them in the office at this moment

Martin




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Ruff" <papparuff at attbi.com>
To: "accessd" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 2:32 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online


> They are still there Arthur.  I don't know why, maybe there is a limit
> of how many downloads can be accomplished at the same time, but I got
> the same "Page not found" on numerous occasions.  I just kept going to
> the url and it finally let me download.
> 
> 
> John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
> Always Looking For Contract Opportunities
> 
> Home: 253.588.2139
> Cell: 253.307.2947
> 9306 Farwest Dr SW
> Lakewood, WA 98498
> 
> "Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
>                 and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 4:32 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
> 
> 
> I guess I wasn't quick enough. They seem to be gone now. I'm getting
> page not found.
> 
> Arthur
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Keith L.
> Kovala
> Sent: May 29, 2003 12:58 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
> 
> 
> Must be something between you and MickeySoft..... 2.5MB/Sec here.
> 
> Keith Kovala
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:38 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
> 
> 
> Thanks for this.  I am downloading now.
> 
> For some odd reason I am only getting about 180 kbytes / sec today!
> This could take awhile.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:25 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
> 
> 
> I saw this in Woody's Office Watch and I thought some of you might be
> interested...
> 
> from WOW 8.18:
> 
> 6. BURNING MSDN CDS
> Last month I told all of you programmers that Microsoft has posted the
> April 2003 MSDN CDs, and you can get all three of them free for the
> downloading. Those CDs include an enormous amount of information on
> Visual Studio 2003 - it's the required reference for those of you
> willing to make the leap from VBA to VB (or C) .NET.
> 
> The CD images are at:
> 
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-566
> 19af
> 95835/qtr40enud1.img
> 
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-566
> 19af
> 95835/qtr40enud2.img
> 
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-566
> 19af
> 95835/qtr40enud3.img
> 
> One teensy-tiny problem. The CDs are in ISO image format - so-called
> .IMG files - and you may have problems burning those files to a CD.
> 
> WOWser TP writes: "To get the files to CD you need a program like
> "undisker" found at http://www.undisker.com. This software will open and
> view the contents much like standard Zip file software and write the
> contents to the CD drive. I only used the time limited shareware version
> of "undisker" but the software worked very well and I am considering the
> purchase of the full version.
> 
> One thing you will need to know is the Volume label that needs to be on
> the CD. I am pretty sure that it is the name of the file without the
> extension. Without the correct volume name the CD's will not load."
> 
> 
> from WOW 8.19:
> 
> 7. BURNING .IMG CDS
> Last week I told you about WOWser TP's travails trying to get the
> downloaded April 2003 MSDN CD images burned to CD. He used Undisker, and
> it worked fine.
> 
> WOWser IW notes that he was able to burn the MSDN CDs by simply changing
> the file name extension from .IMG to .ISO, and then using Nero (on a
> Windows 2000 machine). WOWser RC did the same thing and had no problem
> with Windows XP's native file burner.
> 
> 
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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Fri May 30 08:50:01 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 08:50:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F87854@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Jarad,

I am not saying your way is wrong, just that the way I do it has never
failed me.  I cannot recall where I read it, but some knowledgeable
person said to do it in this order:  first the path to the proper
version of MSAccess.exe, second the /wrkgrp switch, third the path to
the proper .mdw file to use, fourth the Access application to open.
Since I started to use this order on all my shortcuts I have not had any
problem with shortcuts through several versions of Access.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Huffman, Jarad B. [mailto:jbhuffman at mdh.org] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 30 08:30
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited

I believe the /wrkgrp switch and parameter have to be at the end of the
command line.  If you have it before your mdb filepath, it might cause
some trouble.

Jarad Huffman

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:47 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited


Good point, I've noticed the 'fixit' behavior with WinXP pro shortcuts
also.

But this shortcut was built on the machine itself (WinXP with a UNC
workgroup filepath, double-quotes around each filepath like
"<msaccess.exe>" /wrkgrp "<.mdw with UNC pathing>" ".mdb file path")

I've also cleared the 'Start In' box to avoid it starting in the wrong
place.

I'm stumped.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 2:43 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited


Um, complete shot in the dark, but since W2k, Shortcuts have more
internal information then you think.  For instance, if you have a
shortcut pointing to something.exe on your root C: drive.  Then one day
you move that .exe to another drive or folder, W2k and up will actually
'fix' your shortcut for you.  (It's a service, so it may be turned off
or on, it can even be setup to be LAN wide).

One bad effect that myself and my co-network admin has noticed, is that
you can have problems trying to copy a network shortcut from one machine
to the next, because the shortcut is actually a shortcut to a internal
reference on your local machine, that points to the network resource, so
copying the shortcut elsewhere is giving them a shortcut to your local
internal reference/shortcut, which they may not be able to access, in
fact, it will usually try to access the same file/folder location on
your local machine. To fix this, we just made new shortcuts from
scratch.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:12 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited



Thanks for the responses, which fixed a lot of the issue.  

However, on a WinXP Pro machine I'm getting an error on the /wrkgrp
switch. it is looking for the *.mdw filepath by starting in the local
documents and settings, instead of using the UNC path.

Has anyone seen/fixed this behavior?

Thanks,

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:11 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch


After the responses all had the msaccess.exe executible path I recalled
that it was required with the other times that I've implemented it.

I never did know why though.  Thanks for clearing it up.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch


Charles answered your question, but the reason it isn't working is
because
*all* command line arguments are ignored if you do not include the full
path and filename to the Access executable in your shortcut. Since
/WRKGRP is a command line argument, it gets ignored when you only
include the database path and the workgroup and leave out the Access
executable.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 4:39 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch



I have a secured Access 2000 file format database and want to use the
/wrkgrp command line switch in a shortcut to associate with the
workgroup on startup.  This command switch is not working 
( F:\sis\CCA_App.mdb /WRKGRP "F:\sis\CCA_Workgroup.mdw" )

the user accesses the correct file but under the system.mdw workgroup.  

I've verified that the file locations and the spelling are all correct.
Any ideas?

Thanks,

Mark

From jbhuffman at mdh.org  Fri May 30 09:00:39 2003
From: jbhuffman at mdh.org (Huffman, Jarad B.)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 09:00:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited
Message-ID: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B4801935763@NEWMAN_EXC>

No worries, I thought I had heard that somewhere.  

-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 8:50 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited


Jarad,

I am not saying your way is wrong, just that the way I do it has never
failed me.  I cannot recall where I read it, but some knowledgeable person
said to do it in this order:  first the path to the proper version of
MSAccess.exe, second the /wrkgrp switch, third the path to the proper .mdw
file to use, fourth the Access application to open. Since I started to use
this order on all my shortcuts I have not had any problem with shortcuts
through several versions of Access.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Huffman, Jarad B. [mailto:jbhuffman at mdh.org] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 30 08:30
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited

I believe the /wrkgrp switch and parameter have to be at the end of the
command line.  If you have it before your mdb filepath, it might cause some
trouble.

Jarad Huffman

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:47 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited


Good point, I've noticed the 'fixit' behavior with WinXP pro shortcuts also.

But this shortcut was built on the machine itself (WinXP with a UNC
workgroup filepath, double-quotes around each filepath like "<msaccess.exe>"
/wrkgrp "<.mdw with UNC pathing>" ".mdb file path")

I've also cleared the 'Start In' box to avoid it starting in the wrong
place.

I'm stumped.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 2:43 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited


Um, complete shot in the dark, but since W2k, Shortcuts have more internal
information then you think.  For instance, if you have a shortcut pointing
to something.exe on your root C: drive.  Then one day you move that .exe to
another drive or folder, W2k and up will actually 'fix' your shortcut for
you.  (It's a service, so it may be turned off or on, it can even be setup
to be LAN wide).

One bad effect that myself and my co-network admin has noticed, is that you
can have problems trying to copy a network shortcut from one machine to the
next, because the shortcut is actually a shortcut to a internal reference on
your local machine, that points to the network resource, so copying the
shortcut elsewhere is giving them a shortcut to your local internal
reference/shortcut, which they may not be able to access, in fact, it will
usually try to access the same file/folder location on your local machine.
To fix this, we just made new shortcuts from scratch.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:12 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited



Thanks for the responses, which fixed a lot of the issue.  

However, on a WinXP Pro machine I'm getting an error on the /wrkgrp switch.
it is looking for the *.mdw filepath by starting in the local documents and
settings, instead of using the UNC path.

Has anyone seen/fixed this behavior?

Thanks,

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:11 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch


After the responses all had the msaccess.exe executible path I recalled that
it was required with the other times that I've implemented it.

I never did know why though.  Thanks for clearing it up.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch


Charles answered your question, but the reason it isn't working is because
*all* command line arguments are ignored if you do not include the full path
and filename to the Access executable in your shortcut. Since /WRKGRP is a
command line argument, it gets ignored when you only include the database
path and the workgroup and leave out the Access executable.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 4:39 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch



I have a secured Access 2000 file format database and want to use the
/wrkgrp command line switch in a shortcut to associate with the workgroup on
startup.  This command switch is not working 
( F:\sis\CCA_App.mdb /WRKGRP "F:\sis\CCA_Workgroup.mdw" )

the user accesses the correct file but under the system.mdw workgroup.  

I've verified that the file locations and the spelling are all correct. Any
ideas?

Thanks,

Mark
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From Tim.Pain at sc.akzonobel.com  Fri May 30 09:08:17 2003
From: Tim.Pain at sc.akzonobel.com (Pain, T. (Tim))
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 15:08:17 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Table design
Message-ID: <0BB2DFBAEF484F4AA077B46F1B165FE6367D8E@lbrn12.d20.intra>

I currently have the following <snipped> table designs -

Products:
Product		Christmas	Easter	AllYear	Major
Corporate
Product 1		True		False		True
False		True
Product 2		False		False		True
True		False
Product 3 		etc'

OrderType:
OrderType		Christmas	Easter	AllYear	Major
Corporate
Christmas		True		False		False
True		False
Easter		False		True		False		True
False
AllYear		False		False		True		True
False
Corporate		True		True		True
True		True
Major			False		False		False
True		False

In Order Entry, the user selects an "OrderType" in the header and I then
need to check for each line item, if this product is allowed for this
"OrderType".

Now this works, but does require quite a bit of code to test each
variation, but more important, it also makes maintenance a pain. If I
now need to add a new OrderType, I have to add a record to the OrderType
table (no problem with this), but also add a column to the Products
table and then re-work the code to check the order line items.

There has to be a more elegant and easier to maintain way of doing this,
but I can't see it.
Any ideas please?

Many thanks
Tim 



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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Fri May 30 09:24:12 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 09:24:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Table design
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F35893@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Tim,

This is not the easiest way to implement a Many-to-Many relationship.
The easiest way is to use three tables:  one for Products, one for
OrderTypes, and a linking table to show what Products can go with what
OrderTypes.


Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
-----Original Message-----
From: Pain, T. (Tim) [mailto:Tim.Pain at sc.akzonobel.com] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 30 09:08
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Table design

I currently have the following <snipped> table designs - 
Products: 
Product         Christmas       Easter  AllYear Major
Corporate 
Product 1               True            False           True
False           True 
Product 2               False           False           True
True            False 
Product 3               etc' 
OrderType: 
OrderType               Christmas       Easter  AllYear Major
Corporate 
Christmas               True            False           False
True            False 
Easter          False           True            False           True
False 
AllYear         False           False           True            True
False 
Corporate               True            True            True
True            True 
Major                   False           False           False
True            False 
In Order Entry, the user selects an "OrderType" in the header and I then
need to check for each line item, if this product is allowed for this
"OrderType".
Now this works, but does require quite a bit of code to test each
variation, but more important, it also makes maintenance a pain. If I
now need to add a new OrderType, I have to add a record to the OrderType
table (no problem with this), but also add a column to the Products
table and then re-work the code to check the order line items.
There has to be a more elegant and easier to maintain way of doing this,
but I can't see it. 
Any ideas please? 
Many thanks 
Tim 

From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri May 30 09:24:53 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 07:24:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Saving Query From VB6 into Access
References: <20030530081945.HFII4720.fep07-svc.ttys.com@localhost>
Message-ID: <3ED769B5.10102@shaw.ca>

Not sure this can done from VB, you can do it from Access with 
application.LoadAsText or
application.SaveAsText.  However if you did manage to move the SQL into 
an Access Query, how do you compile it from within VB.

paul.hartland at fsmail.net wrote:

>To all,
>
>I'm sure I have either done this before or have heard it can be done.  I have a Visual Basic 6 front-end which links to an Access back-end, what I want to do is build a SQL select statement on the fly in VB6 (I have got this far), and then I need to save it as a query into the Access database.
>
>Anyone have any ideas on how I go about this.....
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Paul 
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From harkins at iglou.com  Fri May 30 09:31:56 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 10:31:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Table design
References: <0BB2DFBAEF484F4AA077B46F1B165FE6367D8E@lbrn12.d20.intra>
Message-ID: <00cb01c326b8$5d31ab40$e9ecffcc@SusanOne>

Table designYou might consider renormalizing your data into two tables, although I'm not sure the second table's really necessary -- would need more info to decide:

Product    OrderType
Product1    Christmas
Product1    AllYear
Product1    Corporate

and so on... 

Whether a second table that lists just the order types is really necessary or not really depends on you and how much you're using that list. 

Susan H. 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Pain, T. (Tim) 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 10:08 AM
  Subject: [AccessD] Table design


  I currently have the following <snipped> table designs - 

  Products: 
  Product         Christmas       Easter  AllYear Major           Corporate 
  Product 1               True            False           True            False           True 
  Product 2               False           False           True            True            False 
  Product 3               etc' 

  OrderType: 
  OrderType               Christmas       Easter  AllYear Major           Corporate 
  Christmas               True            False           False           True            False 
  Easter          False           True            False           True            False 
  AllYear         False           False           True            True            False 
  Corporate               True            True            True            True            True 
  Major                   False           False           False           True            False 

  In Order Entry, the user selects an "OrderType" in the header and I then need to check for each line item, if this product is allowed for this "OrderType".

  Now this works, but does require quite a bit of code to test each variation, but more important, it also makes maintenance a pain. If I now need to add a new OrderType, I have to add a record to the OrderType table (no problem with this), but also add a column to the Products table and then re-work the code to check the order line items.

  There has to be a more elegant and easier to maintain way of doing this, but I can't see it. 
  Any ideas please? 

  Many thanks 
  Tim 






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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Fri May 30 09:40:18 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 00:40:18 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Form Questions
References: <OPEIKJLOKOBFPLBDBHPKCEPIDFAA.jamie@kriegelpcsolutions.com>
Message-ID: <004c01c326b9$64e26630$39669a89@DDICK>

Jamie
RE Q1...small example db sent offline
RE Q2...Just  like Charles said start refreshing your second sub
Something like
Assume sub 2 is called MySubForm2
sub 1 is called MySubForm1
Parent Form is called MyHostForm
eg...
after your code on MySubForm1 does what  you want...
Forms!MyHostForm!MySubForm2.form.refresh


Darren


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jamie Kriegel" <jamie at kriegelpcsolutions.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 12:50 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Form Questions


> Hi there,
> 
> I have 2 questions and I was hoping one of you generous and intelligent
> people could help me.
> 
> 1.  In a form I have a combo box that I use to as a lookup.  For example, my
> form holds customer information and I use the combo box to choose a
> paticular customer.  When I choose this customer, it is his/her information
> that I see in the form.  How do I get this combo to default to a blank?
> Right now it shows the name of my previous search in the on screen control
> which can be confusing.  I want it to remain blank until I choose a customer
> from the list.
> 
> 2.   I have a form with 2 subforms.  The main form is customer information,
> subform 1 is insurance policies that customer holds, and subform 2 is any
> dependents that customer may have on a particular policy.  When I add a new
> policy for a customer (subform 1), I have to go to a different record and
> back before Access will allow me to enter data on subform 2 (dependents on
> that policy).
> 
> Any ideas would be wonderful!  Thank you,
> 
> Jamie
> 
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From delliker at hotmail.com  Fri May 30 09:46:22 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 10:46:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Failure to open database file
Message-ID: <Law12-F26Th6m7LrSzW00026d3f@hotmail.com>

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May 30 09:58:08 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 07:58:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Query reference to screen control
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C351@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Actually, what I encountered had nothing to do with the form being open.
In earlier versions, the query engine understood the syntax without
square brackets around things like Column(0), but in AXP, any missing
brackets will cause it to put a pair of square brackets around the whole
parameter, rendering it completely useless even with the form open.
 
I don't much like using form references as parameters or criteria, but
our applications make extensive use of them that way in report
selection.  
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] 
	Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 3:23 AM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] Query reference to screen control
	
	
	That's an additional reason why I dislike going that route. The
query then becomes useless in the absence of said form being open.
Static functions are IMO a much better way to go.
	 
	Just my $.02,
	Arthur

	-----Original Message-----
	From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
	Sent: May 29, 2003 11:00 AM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] Query reference to screen control
	
	

		Parameters referring to form controls work just fine.
Only make sure you put in the square brackets around each part of the
parameter yourself.  Otherwise, when/if you convert to 2002, you can run
into problems when the query engine kindly inserts its own brackets
around the whole blasted parameter.  Hello?  This is the voice of
experience speaking ...
		 
		Charlotte Foust

			-----Original Message-----
			From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
			Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:16 AM
			To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
			Subject: Re: [AccessD] Query reference to screen
control
			
			

			Hmmmm, that's a twist. Does it then not pop up
the parameter dialog because I would be referring to the screen
control?...I will give it a go, and thanks Gustav.
			_d
			




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don't pay for them." 
			
			>From: Gustav Brock 
			>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
			>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
			>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Query reference to
screen control 
			>Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 12:53:47 +0200 
			> 
			>Hi Don 
			> 
			>Try specifying in the query
[forms]![frmtestcases]![cmbproject] as a 
			>parameter. 
			> 
			>/gustav 
			> 
			> >I have this odd occurrance in A2K. I have a
combo that has criteria 
			> >referencing two screen controls, like this 
			> >[forms]![frmtestcases]![cmbproject]. Many
times (but not always) it 
			> >returns nothing when I click it. Then if I go
into the grid for the 
			> >underlying query and make it 
			> >=[forms]![frmtestcases]![cmbproject] it
works, however it does not keep 
			> >the equal sign, it discards it - works for a
while then craps out. What 
			> >gives?? Just another wierd Accessism? 
			> 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May 30 09:59:27 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 07:59:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Failure to open database file
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312000@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I believe Jim meant that you should check any ONE of the unchecked
references, not all of them. <VBG>
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
	Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 6:46 AM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] Failure to open database file
	
	

	Is it really necessary to check them ALL to do this
'kick-in-the-pants" reference repair ? Won't adding a couple do the
trick, supposing that the needed refs are there in the first place, of
course.
	_D

	"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for
them." 
	
	>From: "Jim Dettman" 
	>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
	>To: 
	>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Failure to open database file 
	>Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 08:29:28 -0400 
	> 
	>Ray, 
	> 
	> As Charlotte said, it's a broken reference. However in some
cases, they 
	>may not be listed as "missing" or "broken". If that is the
case, open up 
	>tools/references, check any reference that is not checked, then
close the 
	>MDB and Access. Reopen Access and the MDB and uncheck the
reference you 
	>just checked. This forces Access to refresh the reference
information. Do 
	>a compile save all and everything should be OK. 
	> 
	>Jim Dettman 
	>President, 
	>Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc. 
	>(315) 699-3443 
	>jimdettman at earthlink.net 
	> -----Original Message----- 
	> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
	>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ray
Li 
	> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 7:17 PM 
	> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
	> Subject: [AccessD] Failure to open database file 
	> 
	> 
	> When I open a database on a pc running Access 97, the
following errors 
	>message came out and 
	> failed in opening. 
	> 
	> Function isn't available in expressions in query expression
'........ 
	> 
	> The report name 'rptScoreOfAllFactories' you entered is
misspelled or 
	>refers 
	> to a report that isn't open or doesn't exist. 
	> 
	> The program opened correctly in the past but suddenly it
happened today. 
	>Same 
	> program opens correctly on other pcs. Can someone encountered
similar 
	>problem before 
	> share with your fixes to me. 
	> 
	> Thanks, 
	> 
	> Ray 
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From Tim.Pain at sc.akzonobel.com  Fri May 30 09:59:42 2003
From: Tim.Pain at sc.akzonobel.com (Pain, T. (Tim))
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 15:59:42 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Table design
Message-ID: <0BB2DFBAEF484F4AA077B46F1B165FE6367D8F@lbrn12.d20.intra>

Charles,

That's sort of what I figured, but I can't get my head round how the
linking table should be structured. Is this one record for each Product,
OrderType combination, or something else?

Many thanks
Tim


-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: 30 May 2003 15:24
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Table design


Tim,

This is not the easiest way to implement a Many-to-Many relationship.
The easiest way is to use three tables:  one for Products, one for
OrderTypes, and a linking table to show what Products can go with what
OrderTypes.


Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
-----Original Message-----
From: Pain, T. (Tim) [mailto:Tim.Pain at sc.akzonobel.com] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 30 09:08
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Table design

I currently have the following <snipped> table designs - 
Products: 
Product         Christmas       Easter  AllYear Major
Corporate 
Product 1               True            False           True
False           True 
Product 2               False           False           True
True            False 
Product 3               etc' 
OrderType: 
OrderType               Christmas       Easter  AllYear Major
Corporate 
Christmas               True            False           False
True            False 
Easter          False           True            False           True
False 
AllYear         False           False           True            True
False 
Corporate               True            True            True
True            True 
Major                   False           False           False
True            False 
In Order Entry, the user selects an "OrderType" in the header and I then
need to check for each line item, if this product is allowed for this
"OrderType". Now this works, but does require quite a bit of code to
test each variation, but more important, it also makes maintenance a
pain. If I now need to add a new OrderType, I have to add a record to
the OrderType table (no problem with this), but also add a column to the
Products table and then re-work the code to check the order line items.
There has to be a more elegant and easier to maintain way of doing this,
but I can't see it. 
Any ideas please? 
Many thanks 
Tim 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May 30 10:02:24 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 08:02:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Saving Query From VB6 into Access
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312001@infoserver01.infostat.local>

You don't ordinarily save queries in back end databases, but you can add
a query to the catalog (ADOX) or querydef (DAO) object to the Access
database programmatically using the SQL you have created.  Which kind of
connection are you using?  The code differs quite radically between the
two.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net [mailto:paul.hartland at fsmail.net] 
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 12:20 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com; dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Saving Query From VB6 into Access


To all,

I'm sure I have either done this before or have heard it can be done.  I
have a Visual Basic 6 front-end which links to an Access back-end, what
I want to do is build a SQL select statement on the fly in VB6 (I have
got this far), and then I need to save it as a query into the Access
database.

Anyone have any ideas on how I go about this.....

Thanks in advance.

Paul 

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From nkling at co.montgomery.ny.us  Fri May 30 10:04:05 2003
From: nkling at co.montgomery.ny.us (Neal Kling)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 11:04:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Failure to open database file
Message-ID: <0EAA9F4906BA554FA26E6F9F2C5403022BD613@elmo.co.montgomery.ny.us>

Here's what I use to programatically refresh references.  Might be
useful for someone.
 
 
'Returns   : True on successful completion
'Created by: Neal A. Kling
'Created   : 4/29/99 11:19:30 AM
Function RefreshRefs() As Boolean
On Error GoTo Err_RefreshRefs
Dim R As Reference
Dim r1 As Reference
Dim S As String
 
For Each R In Application.References
  If R.Name <> "Access" And R.Name <> "VBA" Then
    Set r1 = R
    Exit For
  End If
Next
S = r1.FullPath
 
References.Remove r1
References.AddFromFile S
 
RefreshRefs = True
Exit_RefreshRefs:
On Error Resume Next
 
Exit Function
 
Err_RefreshRefs:
  Select Case Err
  Case 0    'insert Errors you wish to ignore here
    Resume Next
  Case Else 'All other errors will trap
    Beep
    MsgBox Err.Number & "; " & Err.Description, , "Error in function
basReferenceFunctions.RefreshRefs"
  Resume Exit_RefreshRefs
  End Select
  Resume 0  'FOR TROUBLESHOOTING
End Function

 
Neal Kling
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-----Original Message-----
From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 10:46 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Failure to open database file



Is it really necessary to check them ALL to do this 'kick-in-the-pants"
reference repair ? Won't adding a couple do the trick, supposing that
the needed refs are there in the first place, of course.
_D




From john at winhaven.net  Fri May 30 10:05:31 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 10:05:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEKADOAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJIEBOEJAA.john@winhaven.net>

John:
You can send that copy of the CDs to Stuart instead - he's won my pity :o)

I do that with my email too, I'm at 9 minutes and holding :o)

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:30 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> By my calculations - 44 hours / disc.  Assuming that your ISP doesn't hang
> up on you of course.  Dial up ISPs have a nasty habit of doing that.
>
> In fact back when I was afflicted by the dial-up disease, I
> started setting
> my email client to request email every 10 minutes so that they
> wouldn't hang
> up on me.  They set the "no activity then hang-up" time to 6
> minutes.  I set
> my email client get email every 5 minutes.  They set the timeout to 4
> minutes.  I set my email client to get email every 3 minutes.
> They gave up
> and I stayed connected 24/7.
>
> I don't miss dialup, but I still get the email every 3 minutes.
> I just got
> used to it.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
> McLachlan
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:50 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> I hate you all !!!!!!!!!!!! :-)
>
> How long will it take me at my dialup average of 4KB/Sec?
>



From john at winhaven.net  Fri May 30 10:07:21 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 10:07:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKCEOBGGAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJIEBPEJAA.john@winhaven.net>

OK Jim, where'd you get it that cheap?

Every year for the last 4 years I've been hashing out around $1800 for MSDN
Universal but this year I broke the habit. My disk collection has now
stopped growing at exponential rates ;o)

For $800-900 I would do it again though.

What's an Action Pack and how much is it?

JB



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 7:47 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> You guys should just get a MSDN subscription.  If you do a little shopping
> around, a universal subscription can be gotten for $800 - $900.  And yes,
> it's legit and not an academic subscription.
>
>   By getting that and a Action Pack subscription, I have access to just
> about everything that Microsoft makes.  The only thing excluded is some of
> the higher end Enterprise stuff, which I don't get into.
>
> Jim Dettman
> President,
> Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> (315) 699-3443
> jimdettman at earthlink.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
> Mattys
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 8:40 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> I did "a Google" on the first and second cds and found them
> on an FTP site but the third one could not be found anywhere.
>
> Michael R. Mattys
> www.mattysconsulting.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 7:31 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> > I guess I wasn't quick enough. They seem to be gone now. I'm
> getting page
> > not found.
> >
> > Arthur
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Keith L. Kovala
> > Sent: May 29, 2003 12:58 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
> >
> >
> > Must be something between you and MickeySoft..... 2.5MB/Sec here.
> >
> > Keith Kovala
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:38 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
> >
> >
> > Thanks for this.  I am downloading now.
> >
> > For some odd reason I am only getting about 180 kbytes / sec
> today!  This
> > could take awhile.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:25 PM
> > To: AccessD
> > Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
> >
> >
> > I saw this in Woody's Office Watch and I thought some of you might be
> > interested...
> >
> > from WOW 8.18:
> >
> > 6. BURNING MSDN CDS
> > Last month I told all of you programmers that Microsoft has posted the
> April
> > 2003 MSDN CDs, and you can get all three of them free for the
> downloading.
> > Those CDs include an enormous amount of information on Visual Studio
> 2003 -
> > it's the required reference for those of you willing to make
> the leap from
> > VBA to VB (or C) .NET.
> >
> > The CD images are at:
> >
> >
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-80
> 45-56619af
> > 95835/qtr40enud1.img
> >
> >
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-80
> 45-56619af
> > 95835/qtr40enud2.img
> >
> >
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-80
> 45-56619af
> > 95835/qtr40enud3.img
> >
> > One teensy-tiny problem. The CDs are in ISO image format -
> so-called .IMG
> > files - and you may have problems burning those files to a CD.
> >
> > WOWser TP writes: "To get the files to CD you need a program like
> "undisker"
> > found at http://www.undisker.com. This software will open and view the
> > contents much like standard Zip file software and write the contents to
> the
> > CD drive. I only used the time limited shareware version of
> "undisker" but
> > the software worked very well and I am considering the purchase of the
> full
> > version.
> >
> > One thing you will need to know is the Volume label that needs to be on
> the
> > CD. I am pretty sure that it is the name of the file without the
> extension.
> > Without the correct volume name the CD's will not load."
> >
> >
> > from WOW 8.19:
> >
> > 7. BURNING .IMG CDS
> > Last week I told you about WOWser TP's travails trying to get the
> downloaded
> > April 2003 MSDN CD images burned to CD. He used Undisker, and it worked
> > fine.
> >
> > WOWser IW notes that he was able to burn the MSDN CDs by simply changing
> the
> > file name extension from .IMG to .ISO, and then using Nero (on a Windows
> > 2000 machine). WOWser RC did the same thing and had no problem with
> Windows
> > XP's native file burner.
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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>



From papparuff at attbi.com  Fri May 30 10:10:15 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 08:10:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Table design
In-Reply-To: <0BB2DFBAEF484F4AA077B46F1B165FE6367D8F@lbrn12.d20.intra>
Message-ID: <003401c326bd$93244cd0$6401a8c0@papparuff>

Here's a small diagram.

tbl_Product         tblk_ProdType     tbl_Type
|----------|        |--------|        |----------|
|  ProdID  |------->| ProdID |    |---|  TypeID  |
|          |        | TypeID |<---|   |  Desc    |
|----------|        |--------|        |----------|



John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)


"Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
                and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Pain, T.
(Tim)
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 8:00 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Table design


Charles,

That's sort of what I figured, but I can't get my head round how the
linking table should be structured. Is this one record for each Product,
OrderType combination, or something else?

Many thanks
Tim


-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: 30 May 2003 15:24
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Table design


Tim,

This is not the easiest way to implement a Many-to-Many relationship.
The easiest way is to use three tables:  one for Products, one for
OrderTypes, and a linking table to show what Products can go with what
OrderTypes.


Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
-----Original Message-----
From: Pain, T. (Tim) [mailto:Tim.Pain at sc.akzonobel.com] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 30 09:08
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Table design

I currently have the following <snipped> table designs - 
Products: 
Product         Christmas       Easter  AllYear Major
Corporate 
Product 1               True            False           True
False           True 
Product 2               False           False           True
True            False 
Product 3               etc' 
OrderType: 
OrderType               Christmas       Easter  AllYear Major
Corporate 
Christmas               True            False           False
True            False 
Easter          False           True            False           True
False 
AllYear         False           False           True            True
False 
Corporate               True            True            True
True            True 
Major                   False           False           False
True            False 
In Order Entry, the user selects an "OrderType" in the header and I then
need to check for each line item, if this product is allowed for this
"OrderType". Now this works, but does require quite a bit of code to
test each variation, but more important, it also makes maintenance a
pain. If I now need to add a new OrderType, I have to add a record to
the OrderType table (no problem with this), but also add a column to the
Products table and then re-work the code to check the order line items.
There has to be a more elegant and easier to maintain way of doing this,
but I can't see it. 
Any ideas please? 
Many thanks 
Tim 
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From john at winhaven.net  Fri May 30 10:24:18 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 10:24:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] DAO Version
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FF9@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIOEOFEHAA.john@winhaven.net>

Charlotte:
Do you have the situation of having multiple versions of Access on the same
machines?

If so do you have any problems with having the different versions of DAO and
JET being on the same machines?

JB


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 4:52 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] DAO Version
>
>
> Jet 3.51
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:33 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] DAO Version
>
>
> Charlotte:
> Just out of curioustiy which version of JET are you using for A97?
>
>
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>



From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Fri May 30 10:31:16 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 11:31:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Failure to open database file
In-Reply-To: <Law12-F26Th6m7LrSzW00026d3f@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKOEOOGGAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Don,

  Funny, I've been more or less stating it that way for years and never
thought anyone would check them all.  NO you you only need to do it with ONE
reference to force the reference cleanup.  Your just trying to get the list
to change.  Just as easily, you could uncheck one reference and then recheck
it.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Don Elliker
  Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 10:46 AM
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Failure to open database file


  Is it really necessary to check them ALL to do this 'kick-in-the-pants"
reference repair ? Won't adding a couple do the trick, supposing that the
needed refs are there in the first place, of course.
  _D

  "Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them."
  >From: "Jim Dettman"
  >Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  >To:
  >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Failure to open database file
  >Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 08:29:28 -0400
  >
  >Ray,
  >
  > As Charlotte said, it's a broken reference. However in some cases, they
  >may not be listed as "missing" or "broken". If that is the case, open up
  >tools/references, check any reference that is not checked, then close the
  >MDB and Access. Reopen Access and the MDB and uncheck the reference you
  >just checked. This forces Access to refresh the reference information. Do
  >a compile save all and everything should be OK.
  >
  >Jim Dettman
  >President,
  >Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
  >(315) 699-3443
  >jimdettman at earthlink.net
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ray Li
  > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 7:17 PM
  > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
  > Subject: [AccessD] Failure to open database file
  >
  >
  > When I open a database on a pc running Access 97, the following errors
  >message came out and
  > failed in opening.
  >
  > Function isn't available in expressions in query expression '........
  >
  > The report name 'rptScoreOfAllFactories' you entered is misspelled or
  >refers
  > to a report that isn't open or doesn't exist.
  >
  > The program opened correctly in the past but suddenly it happened today.
  >Same
  > program opens correctly on other pcs. Can someone encountered similar
  >problem before
  > share with your fixes to me.
  >
  > Thanks,
  >
  > Ray
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From jamie at kriegelpcsolutions.com  Fri May 30 10:59:37 2003
From: jamie at kriegelpcsolutions.com (Jamie Kriegel)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 10:59:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Form Questions
In-Reply-To: <004c01c326b9$64e26630$39669a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <OPEIKJLOKOBFPLBDBHPKKECAECAA.jamie@kriegelpcsolutions.com>

>>>>after your code on MySubForm1 does what  you want...
Forms!MyHostForm!MySubForm2.form.refresh

Where do I put this code on SubForm 1?

Thanks,
Jamie

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 9:40 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Basic Form Questions


Jamie
RE Q1...small example db sent offline
RE Q2...Just  like Charles said start refreshing your second sub
Something like
Assume sub 2 is called MySubForm2
sub 1 is called MySubForm1
Parent Form is called MyHostForm
eg...
after your code on MySubForm1 does what  you want...
Forms!MyHostForm!MySubForm2.form.refresh


Darren


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jamie Kriegel" <jamie at kriegelpcsolutions.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 12:50 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Form Questions


> Hi there,
>
> I have 2 questions and I was hoping one of you generous and intelligent
> people could help me.
>
> 1.  In a form I have a combo box that I use to as a lookup.  For example,
my
> form holds customer information and I use the combo box to choose a
> paticular customer.  When I choose this customer, it is his/her
information
> that I see in the form.  How do I get this combo to default to a blank?
> Right now it shows the name of my previous search in the on screen control
> which can be confusing.  I want it to remain blank until I choose a
customer
> from the list.
>
> 2.   I have a form with 2 subforms.  The main form is customer
information,
> subform 1 is insurance policies that customer holds, and subform 2 is any
> dependents that customer may have on a particular policy.  When I add a
new
> policy for a customer (subform 1), I have to go to a different record and
> back before Access will allow me to enter data on subform 2 (dependents on
> that policy).
>
> Any ideas would be wonderful!  Thank you,
>
> Jamie
>
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From Tim.Pain at sc.akzonobel.com  Fri May 30 11:05:02 2003
From: Tim.Pain at sc.akzonobel.com (Pain, T. (Tim))
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 17:05:02 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Table design
Message-ID: <0BB2DFBAEF484F4AA077B46F1B165FE66608E8@lbrn12.d20.intra>

Many thanks John, that just what I needed.

Tim


-----Original Message-----
From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
Sent: 30 May 2003 16:10
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Table design


Here's a small diagram.

tbl_Product         tblk_ProdType     tbl_Type
|----------|        |--------|        |----------|
|  ProdID  |------->| ProdID |    |---|  TypeID  |
|          |        | TypeID |<---|   |  Desc    |
|----------|        |--------|        |----------|



John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)


"Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
                and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Pain, T.
(Tim)
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 8:00 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Table design


Charles,

That's sort of what I figured, but I can't get my head round how the
linking table should be structured. Is this one record for each Product,
OrderType combination, or something else?

Many thanks
Tim


-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: 30 May 2003 15:24
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Table design


Tim,

This is not the easiest way to implement a Many-to-Many relationship.
The easiest way is to use three tables:  one for Products, one for
OrderTypes, and a linking table to show what Products can go with what
OrderTypes.


Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
-----Original Message-----
From: Pain, T. (Tim) [mailto:Tim.Pain at sc.akzonobel.com] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 30 09:08
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Table design

I currently have the following <snipped> table designs - 
Products: 
Product         Christmas       Easter  AllYear Major
Corporate 
Product 1               True            False           True
False           True 
Product 2               False           False           True
True            False 
Product 3               etc' 
OrderType: 
OrderType               Christmas       Easter  AllYear Major
Corporate 
Christmas               True            False           False
True            False 
Easter          False           True            False           True
False 
AllYear         False           False           True            True
False 
Corporate               True            True            True
True            True 
Major                   False           False           False
True            False 
In Order Entry, the user selects an "OrderType" in the header and I then
need to check for each line item, if this product is allowed for this
"OrderType". Now this works, but does require quite a bit of code to
test each variation, but more important, it also makes maintenance a
pain. If I now need to add a new OrderType, I have to add a record to
the OrderType table (no problem with this), but also add a column to the
Products table and then re-work the code to check the order line items.
There has to be a more elegant and easier to maintain way of doing this,
but I can't see it. 
Any ideas please? 
Many thanks 
Tim 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May 30 12:04:49 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 10:04:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] DAO Version
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312002@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Yes and no.  I have A97 and OXP on my work machine, and I have A97, O2k
and AXP on my laptop.  No, I haven't had any problems with Jet and DAO,
only with the vbe6.dll.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 7:24 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] DAO Version


Charlotte:
Do you have the situation of having multiple versions of Access on the
same machines?

If so do you have any problems with having the different versions of DAO
and JET being on the same machines?

JB


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> Foust
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 4:52 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] DAO Version
>
>
> Jet 3.51
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:33 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] DAO Version
>
>
> Charlotte:
> Just out of curioustiy which version of JET are you using for A97?
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May 30 12:16:34 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 10:16:34 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312003@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I'd like to know where you could get it that cheap as well.  We have the
action pack for our office, but for my own purposes, it doesn't compute.
<g>  I've never been able to bring myself to mortgage the farm for an
MSDN Universal subscription, but I might go for half the "discounted"
price.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 7:07 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online


OK Jim, where'd you get it that cheap?

Every year for the last 4 years I've been hashing out around $1800 for
MSDN Universal but this year I broke the habit. My disk collection has
now stopped growing at exponential rates ;o)

For $800-900 I would do it again though.

What's an Action Pack and how much is it?

JB



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 7:47 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> You guys should just get a MSDN subscription.  If you do a little 
> shopping around, a universal subscription can be gotten for $800 - 
> $900.  And yes, it's legit and not an academic subscription.
>
>   By getting that and a Action Pack subscription, I have access to 
> just about everything that Microsoft makes.  The only thing excluded 
> is some of the higher end Enterprise stuff, which I don't get into.
>
> Jim Dettman
> President,
> Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> (315) 699-3443
> jimdettman at earthlink.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R 
> Mattys
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 8:40 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> I did "a Google" on the first and second cds and found them on an FTP 
> site but the third one could not be found anywhere.
>
> Michael R. Mattys
> www.mattysconsulting.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 7:31 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> > I guess I wasn't quick enough. They seem to be gone now. I'm
> getting page
> > not found.
> >
> > Arthur
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Keith L. Kovala
> > Sent: May 29, 2003 12:58 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
> >
> >
> > Must be something between you and MickeySoft..... 2.5MB/Sec here.
> >
> > Keith Kovala
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:38 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
> >
> >
> > Thanks for this.  I am downloading now.
> >
> > For some odd reason I am only getting about 180 kbytes / sec
> today!  This
> > could take awhile.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John 
> > Bartow
> > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:25 PM
> > To: AccessD
> > Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
> >
> >
> > I saw this in Woody's Office Watch and I thought some of you might 
> > be interested...
> >
> > from WOW 8.18:
> >
> > 6. BURNING MSDN CDS
> > Last month I told all of you programmers that Microsoft has posted 
> > the
> April
> > 2003 MSDN CDs, and you can get all three of them free for the
> downloading.
> > Those CDs include an enormous amount of information on Visual Studio
> 2003 -
> > it's the required reference for those of you willing to make
> the leap from
> > VBA to VB (or C) .NET.
> >
> > The CD images are at:
> >
> >
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-80
> 45-56619af
> > 95835/qtr40enud1.img
> >
> >
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-80
> 45-56619af
> > 95835/qtr40enud2.img
> >
> >
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-80
> 45-56619af
> > 95835/qtr40enud3.img
> >
> > One teensy-tiny problem. The CDs are in ISO image format -
> so-called .IMG
> > files - and you may have problems burning those files to a CD.
> >
> > WOWser TP writes: "To get the files to CD you need a program like
> "undisker"
> > found at http://www.undisker.com. This software will open and view 
> > the contents much like standard Zip file software and write the 
> > contents to
> the
> > CD drive. I only used the time limited shareware version of
> "undisker" but
> > the software worked very well and I am considering the purchase of 
> > the
> full
> > version.
> >
> > One thing you will need to know is the Volume label that needs to be

> > on
> the
> > CD. I am pretty sure that it is the name of the file without the
> extension.
> > Without the correct volume name the CD's will not load."
> >
> >
> > from WOW 8.19:
> >
> > 7. BURNING .IMG CDS
> > Last week I told you about WOWser TP's travails trying to get the
> downloaded
> > April 2003 MSDN CD images burned to CD. He used Undisker, and it 
> > worked fine.
> >
> > WOWser IW notes that he was able to burn the MSDN CDs by simply 
> > changing
> the
> > file name extension from .IMG to .ISO, and then using Nero (on a 
> > Windows 2000 machine). WOWser RC did the same thing and had no 
> > problem with
> Windows
> > XP's native file burner.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Fri May 30 12:45:12 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 13:45:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312003@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKAEPGGGAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Charlotte/John,

  I got it through a fellow on the Profox developers list (Victor Campos).
He referred me to:

Sheldon Scheu
AKS Web Services, LLC
8202 Tamarack Trail, Suite 100
Eden Prairie, MN  55347

Phone: (952) 210-5523

www.akswebservices.com

e-mail is: sheldon at akswebservices.com

  The price I received at the time was $1055.  Then I applied for the DVD
rebate which lowered the price $200.  It was all done via e-mail (although I
was given a phone number I could call if I wanted to) and was very painless.
Several list members bought at the same time as well and none had problems.
I was a bit suspicious of the whole thing and called Microsoft  myself to
verify that my subscription was legit and check to make sure that my
remaining months would be carried over.  No problems there either.

  A few months after my purchase, several of the list members posted that
they were getting it between $800 - $900 from various places without doing
the rebate thing.  Most were advertising on E Bay.  I can do a little more
digging if anyone is really interested.

  But even at $1055, it was hard to pass up.  Just with actively developing
in Access and Foxpro, I was sending more then that just keeping up with each
and having a MSDN professional subscription.  Now I have access to just
about everything.

John:"What's an Action Pack and how much is it?"

  It's software and tools designed to help sell Microsoft products.  There
are various levels of subscriptions.  See:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q312310

 For more details.


Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 1:17 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online


I'd like to know where you could get it that cheap as well.  We have the
action pack for our office, but for my own purposes, it doesn't compute.
<g>  I've never been able to bring myself to mortgage the farm for an
MSDN Universal subscription, but I might go for half the "discounted"
price.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 7:07 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online


OK Jim, where'd you get it that cheap?

Every year for the last 4 years I've been hashing out around $1800 for
MSDN Universal but this year I broke the habit. My disk collection has
now stopped growing at exponential rates ;o)

For $800-900 I would do it again though.

What's an Action Pack and how much is it?

JB



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 7:47 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> You guys should just get a MSDN subscription.  If you do a little
> shopping around, a universal subscription can be gotten for $800 -
> $900.  And yes, it's legit and not an academic subscription.
>
>   By getting that and a Action Pack subscription, I have access to
> just about everything that Microsoft makes.  The only thing excluded
> is some of the higher end Enterprise stuff, which I don't get into.
>
> Jim Dettman
> President,
> Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> (315) 699-3443
> jimdettman at earthlink.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
> Mattys
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 8:40 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> I did "a Google" on the first and second cds and found them on an FTP
> site but the third one could not be found anywhere.
>
> Michael R. Mattys
> www.mattysconsulting.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 7:31 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> > I guess I wasn't quick enough. They seem to be gone now. I'm
> getting page
> > not found.
> >
> > Arthur
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Keith L. Kovala
> > Sent: May 29, 2003 12:58 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
> >
> >
> > Must be something between you and MickeySoft..... 2.5MB/Sec here.
> >
> > Keith Kovala
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:38 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
> >
> >
> > Thanks for this.  I am downloading now.
> >
> > For some odd reason I am only getting about 180 kbytes / sec
> today!  This
> > could take awhile.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John
> > Bartow
> > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:25 PM
> > To: AccessD
> > Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
> >
> >
> > I saw this in Woody's Office Watch and I thought some of you might
> > be interested...
> >
> > from WOW 8.18:
> >
> > 6. BURNING MSDN CDS
> > Last month I told all of you programmers that Microsoft has posted
> > the
> April
> > 2003 MSDN CDs, and you can get all three of them free for the
> downloading.
> > Those CDs include an enormous amount of information on Visual Studio
> 2003 -
> > it's the required reference for those of you willing to make
> the leap from
> > VBA to VB (or C) .NET.
> >
> > The CD images are at:
> >
> >
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-80
> 45-56619af
> > 95835/qtr40enud1.img
> >
> >
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-80
> 45-56619af
> > 95835/qtr40enud2.img
> >
> >
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-80
> 45-56619af
> > 95835/qtr40enud3.img
> >
> > One teensy-tiny problem. The CDs are in ISO image format -
> so-called .IMG
> > files - and you may have problems burning those files to a CD.
> >
> > WOWser TP writes: "To get the files to CD you need a program like
> "undisker"
> > found at http://www.undisker.com. This software will open and view
> > the contents much like standard Zip file software and write the
> > contents to
> the
> > CD drive. I only used the time limited shareware version of
> "undisker" but
> > the software worked very well and I am considering the purchase of
> > the
> full
> > version.
> >
> > One thing you will need to know is the Volume label that needs to be

> > on
> the
> > CD. I am pretty sure that it is the name of the file without the
> extension.
> > Without the correct volume name the CD's will not load."
> >
> >
> > from WOW 8.19:
> >
> > 7. BURNING .IMG CDS
> > Last week I told you about WOWser TP's travails trying to get the
> downloaded
> > April 2003 MSDN CD images burned to CD. He used Undisker, and it
> > worked fine.
> >
> > WOWser IW notes that he was able to burn the MSDN CDs by simply
> > changing
> the
> > file name extension from .IMG to .ISO, and then using Nero (on a
> > Windows 2000 machine). WOWser RC did the same thing and had no
> > problem with
> Windows
> > XP's native file burner.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
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From jim.hale at fleetpride.com  Fri May 30 12:49:49 2003
From: jim.hale at fleetpride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 12:49:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Saving Query From VB6 into Access
Message-ID: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF873061770B4@corp-es00>

Another posibility is to store the SQL string in a table in the Access
database and retrieve and execute the string as needed.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 10:02 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Saving Query From VB6 into Access


You don't ordinarily save queries in back end databases, but you can add
a query to the catalog (ADOX) or querydef (DAO) object to the Access
database programmatically using the SQL you have created.  Which kind of
connection are you using?  The code differs quite radically between the
two.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net [mailto:paul.hartland at fsmail.net] 
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 12:20 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com; dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Saving Query From VB6 into Access


To all,

I'm sure I have either done this before or have heard it can be done.  I
have a Visual Basic 6 front-end which links to an Access back-end, what
I want to do is build a SQL select statement on the fly in VB6 (I have
got this far), and then I need to save it as a query into the Access
database.

Anyone have any ideas on how I go about this.....

Thanks in advance.

Paul 

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From jim.hale at fleetpride.com  Fri May 30 12:54:21 2003
From: jim.hale at fleetpride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 12:54:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
Message-ID: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF873061770B6@corp-es00>

Ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3610411877&category=1251

Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 12:17 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online


I'd like to know where you could get it that cheap as well.  We have the
action pack for our office, but for my own purposes, it doesn't compute.
<g>  I've never been able to bring myself to mortgage the farm for an
MSDN Universal subscription, but I might go for half the "discounted"
price.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 7:07 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online


OK Jim, where'd you get it that cheap?

Every year for the last 4 years I've been hashing out around $1800 for
MSDN Universal but this year I broke the habit. My disk collection has
now stopped growing at exponential rates ;o)

For $800-900 I would do it again though.

What's an Action Pack and how much is it?

JB



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 7:47 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> You guys should just get a MSDN subscription.  If you do a little 
> shopping around, a universal subscription can be gotten for $800 - 
> $900.  And yes, it's legit and not an academic subscription.
>
>   By getting that and a Action Pack subscription, I have access to 
> just about everything that Microsoft makes.  The only thing excluded 
> is some of the higher end Enterprise stuff, which I don't get into.
>
> Jim Dettman
> President,
> Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> (315) 699-3443
> jimdettman at earthlink.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R 
> Mattys
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 8:40 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> I did "a Google" on the first and second cds and found them on an FTP 
> site but the third one could not be found anywhere.
>
> Michael R. Mattys
> www.mattysconsulting.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 7:31 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> > I guess I wasn't quick enough. They seem to be gone now. I'm
> getting page
> > not found.
> >
> > Arthur
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Keith L. Kovala
> > Sent: May 29, 2003 12:58 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
> >
> >
> > Must be something between you and MickeySoft..... 2.5MB/Sec here.
> >
> > Keith Kovala
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:38 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
> >
> >
> > Thanks for this.  I am downloading now.
> >
> > For some odd reason I am only getting about 180 kbytes / sec
> today!  This
> > could take awhile.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John 
> > Bartow
> > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:25 PM
> > To: AccessD
> > Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
> >
> >
> > I saw this in Woody's Office Watch and I thought some of you might 
> > be interested...
> >
> > from WOW 8.18:
> >
> > 6. BURNING MSDN CDS
> > Last month I told all of you programmers that Microsoft has posted 
> > the
> April
> > 2003 MSDN CDs, and you can get all three of them free for the
> downloading.
> > Those CDs include an enormous amount of information on Visual Studio
> 2003 -
> > it's the required reference for those of you willing to make
> the leap from
> > VBA to VB (or C) .NET.
> >
> > The CD images are at:
> >
> >
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-80
> 45-56619af
> > 95835/qtr40enud1.img
> >
> >
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-80
> 45-56619af
> > 95835/qtr40enud2.img
> >
> >
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-80
> 45-56619af
> > 95835/qtr40enud3.img
> >
> > One teensy-tiny problem. The CDs are in ISO image format -
> so-called .IMG
> > files - and you may have problems burning those files to a CD.
> >
> > WOWser TP writes: "To get the files to CD you need a program like
> "undisker"
> > found at http://www.undisker.com. This software will open and view 
> > the contents much like standard Zip file software and write the 
> > contents to
> the
> > CD drive. I only used the time limited shareware version of
> "undisker" but
> > the software worked very well and I am considering the purchase of 
> > the
> full
> > version.
> >
> > One thing you will need to know is the Volume label that needs to be

> > on
> the
> > CD. I am pretty sure that it is the name of the file without the
> extension.
> > Without the correct volume name the CD's will not load."
> >
> >
> > from WOW 8.19:
> >
> > 7. BURNING .IMG CDS
> > Last week I told you about WOWser TP's travails trying to get the
> downloaded
> > April 2003 MSDN CD images burned to CD. He used Undisker, and it 
> > worked fine.
> >
> > WOWser IW notes that he was able to burn the MSDN CDs by simply 
> > changing
> the
> > file name extension from .IMG to .ISO, and then using Nero (on a 
> > Windows 2000 machine). WOWser RC did the same thing and had no 
> > problem with
> Windows
> > XP's native file burner.
> >
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Fri May 30 13:12:24 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: 30 May 2003 19:12:24 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT Charlotte
Message-ID: <200305301812.TAA04852@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

I know I know but this email system they make me use is rubbish.

Charlotte can u email me of list. My address book is stuffed again.

Martin

From john at winhaven.net  Fri May 30 13:59:45 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 13:59:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] DAO Version
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312002@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJIECIEJAA.john@winhaven.net>

Charlotte,
And that problem started with A2k, yes?

So, to sum it up, if one installs the DAO and Jet version that is
appropriate for the Access version, then the only problem is with ODBC
drivers and vbe6.dll. Sound right?

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 12:05 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] DAO Version
>
>
> Yes and no.  I have A97 and OXP on my work machine, and I have A97, O2k
> and AXP on my laptop.  No, I haven't had any problems with Jet and DAO,
> only with the vbe6.dll.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 7:24 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] DAO Version
>
>
> Charlotte:
> Do you have the situation of having multiple versions of Access on the
> same machines?
>
> If so do you have any problems with having the different versions of DAO
> and JET being on the same machines?
>
> JB
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
> > Foust
> > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 4:52 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] DAO Version
> >
> >
> > Jet 3.51
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:33 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] DAO Version
> >
> >
> > Charlotte:
> > Just out of curioustiy which version of JET are you using for A97?
> >
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From delliker at hotmail.com  Fri May 30 14:01:41 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 15:01:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Failure to open database file
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From pblack at hotmail.com  Sat May 31 14:59:44 2003
From: pblack at hotmail.com (Paul Black)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 19:59:44 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Distribution - a bit OT
Message-ID: <Sea2-F64NbvEXOds5Ac00023711@hotmail.com>

Hi

I submitted a proposal to a client this week for a custom application. Their 
nose is a bit bent out of shape because they feel they should be able to 
slap a CD in the drive click the install button and the app will install in 
a nice self-contained thing-a-ma-bob (that is what they said).

Why do we have to have MS Access installed? You don't, I said, I can supply 
a runtime version.

Why do we have to worry about what version of MS Access is installed 
already? We did not ask for MS Access, we asked for a custom computer 
application.

Why do we have to worry about installing a runtime version on a machine with 
Access already on it and causing all kinds of problems (paraphrased)?

Plain and simple they want an app that is a DBS management system but they 
want something that is completely autonomous. What do I do? What would you 
do? I may have already lost this deal but need to prepare for the next time 
this happens.

Do I offer a solution that is all VB or C++ or some such thing or am I 
missing the boat here. Please help.


Thanks

PB

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From john at winhaven.net  Sat May 31 15:28:52 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 15:28:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Distribution - a bit OT
In-Reply-To: <Sea2-F64NbvEXOds5Ac00023711@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIMEOKEHAA.john@winhaven.net>

You will run into this all the time with the know it all (arrogant) IT
types.

First off don't tell them its Access if they don't want to hear it. Its a
"Visual Basic Application which uses a standard Microsoft data file for
storage. Give the app an icon using the tools | startup options menu options
and hide everything else.

Secondly, everything they want as far as installation demands can be done if
you use a Wise or Install shield installation with the help of Sage Key
scripts. This has been discussed a lot in the archives so I won't go into
it.

If they make a point of that you are not to use Access for anything jack the
price up about triple and do it in VB or 1000% and do it in C++

HTH
JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Paul Black
> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 3:00 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Distribution - a bit OT
>
>
> Hi
>
> I submitted a proposal to a client this week for a custom
> application. Their
> nose is a bit bent out of shape because they feel they should be able to
> slap a CD in the drive click the install button and the app will
> install in
> a nice self-contained thing-a-ma-bob (that is what they said).
>
> Why do we have to have MS Access installed? You don't, I said, I
> can supply
> a runtime version.
>
> Why do we have to worry about what version of MS Access is installed
> already? We did not ask for MS Access, we asked for a custom computer
> application.
>
> Why do we have to worry about installing a runtime version on a
> machine with
> Access already on it and causing all kinds of problems (paraphrased)?
>
> Plain and simple they want an app that is a DBS management system
> but they
> want something that is completely autonomous. What do I do? What
> would you
> do? I may have already lost this deal but need to prepare for the
> next time
> this happens.
>
> Do I offer a solution that is all VB or C++ or some such thing or am I
> missing the boat here. Please help.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> PB
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat May 31 15:40:57 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 16:40:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Distribution - a bit OT
In-Reply-To: <Sea2-F64NbvEXOds5Ac00023711@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEOADOAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Even a vb or C++ app has to store the data somewhere.  Is that going to be
an mdb?  If so Jet has to be installed.

As another lister said, a "slap a CD in and install" is possible, and it
will NOT interfere with any other versions, if you use the sagekey etc
stuff.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Paul Black
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 4:00 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Distribution - a bit OT


Hi

I submitted a proposal to a client this week for a custom application. Their
nose is a bit bent out of shape because they feel they should be able to
slap a CD in the drive click the install button and the app will install in
a nice self-contained thing-a-ma-bob (that is what they said).

Why do we have to have MS Access installed? You don't, I said, I can supply
a runtime version.

Why do we have to worry about what version of MS Access is installed
already? We did not ask for MS Access, we asked for a custom computer
application.

Why do we have to worry about installing a runtime version on a machine with
Access already on it and causing all kinds of problems (paraphrased)?

Plain and simple they want an app that is a DBS management system but they
want something that is completely autonomous. What do I do? What would you
do? I may have already lost this deal but need to prepare for the next time
this happens.

Do I offer a solution that is all VB or C++ or some such thing or am I
missing the boat here. Please help.


Thanks

PB

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From artful at rogers.com  Sat May 31 17:15:02 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 18:15:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Distribution - a bit OT
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEOADOAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00e301c327c2$14cfd790$8e01a8c0@Rock>

I have only created two installations with the Developer stuff, and neither
needed any fancy DLL installs or anything outside Access, but the rest was
relatively simple, including installing MSDE and then restoring a database
to said installation. The code to restore the db took the longest time of
all the processes, but it ended up at about 50 lines of code.

Sage and Wise doubtless have their place, but if you're not calling DLLs
etc. I frankly don't see the need for them. The built-in stuff does
everything I needed: create a directory, copy everything required into it,
create a setup program that installs everything in the user-selected
directory, then run a program (in my case a batch file) to do everything
else that's necessary.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: May 31, 2003 4:41 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Distribution - a bit OT


Even a vb or C++ app has to store the data somewhere.  Is that going to be
an mdb?  If so Jet has to be installed.

As another lister said, a "slap a CD in and install" is possible, and it
will NOT interfere with any other versions, if you use the sagekey etc
stuff.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Paul Black
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 4:00 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Distribution - a bit OT


Hi

I submitted a proposal to a client this week for a custom application. Their
nose is a bit bent out of shape because they feel they should be able to
slap a CD in the drive click the install button and the app will install in
a nice self-contained thing-a-ma-bob (that is what they said).

Why do we have to have MS Access installed? You don't, I said, I can supply
a runtime version.

Why do we have to worry about what version of MS Access is installed
already? We did not ask for MS Access, we asked for a custom computer
application.

Why do we have to worry about installing a runtime version on a machine with
Access already on it and causing all kinds of problems (paraphrased)?

Plain and simple they want an app that is a DBS management system but they
want something that is completely autonomous. What do I do? What would you
do? I may have already lost this deal but need to prepare for the next time
this happens.

Do I offer a solution that is all VB or C++ or some such thing or am I
missing the boat here. Please help.


Thanks

PB

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Sat May 31 17:55:47 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 17:55:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Distribution - a bit OT
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802226CB7@main2.marlow.com>

Paul, the problem you ran into was something that should occur at the
beginning of a job proposal.  If they don't want Access, you have two
options.  Sell it to them.  That can be pretty difficult, but it's not
necessarily impossible.  Explain the benefits, etc.  Two, build it in
something else.  Personally, I develop a lot of stuff in VB just as fast as
I would in Access, or at least close.  

The big clash with Access is solved with VB.  Installing a runtime version
of Access 97 will definitely clash with a previous installation of Access 2k
or XP, or any future version.  That gives your Access applications a smudge,
a special consideration smudge.  Since bound applications can be built
extremely fast in Access, the development expense should outway that issue.

VB does not have the compatibility issue.  Installing VB 5.0 applications on
a machine that VB 6 applications have no issue, same with .Net.  So you can
install it and walk away.  The only issue you may have is if a future OS
does not support VB applications...but that is a long time away.  VB can use
.mdb's through ADO or DAO, which install on their own.  Newer ADO/DAO
versions can use previous .mdb versions, so that isn't an issue either.

Drew 

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Black
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: 5/31/03 2:59 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Distribution - a bit OT

Hi

I submitted a proposal to a client this week for a custom application.
Their 
nose is a bit bent out of shape because they feel they should be able to

slap a CD in the drive click the install button and the app will install
in 
a nice self-contained thing-a-ma-bob (that is what they said).

Why do we have to have MS Access installed? You don't, I said, I can
supply 
a runtime version.

Why do we have to worry about what version of MS Access is installed 
already? We did not ask for MS Access, we asked for a custom computer 
application.

Why do we have to worry about installing a runtime version on a machine
with 
Access already on it and causing all kinds of problems (paraphrased)?

Plain and simple they want an app that is a DBS management system but
they 
want something that is completely autonomous. What do I do? What would
you 
do? I may have already lost this deal but need to prepare for the next
time 
this happens.

Do I offer a solution that is all VB or C++ or some such thing or am I 
missing the boat here. Please help.


Thanks

PB

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Sat May 31 17:57:45 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 17:57:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Distribution - a bit OT
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802226CB8@main2.marlow.com>

It is NOT a Visual Basic Application though.  Installing a VB application
will not affect other installed software (unless you write you're own .dll's
that overwrite common .dll's.).

If I had a user install something that was documented as a 'Visual Basic
Application', but it went and installed a different version of Access, there
would be a lawsuit involved.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: 5/31/03 3:28 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Distribution - a bit OT

You will run into this all the time with the know it all (arrogant) IT
types.

First off don't tell them its Access if they don't want to hear it. Its
a
"Visual Basic Application which uses a standard Microsoft data file for
storage. Give the app an icon using the tools | startup options menu
options
and hide everything else.

Secondly, everything they want as far as installation demands can be
done if
you use a Wise or Install shield installation with the help of Sage Key
scripts. This has been discussed a lot in the archives so I won't go
into
it.

If they make a point of that you are not to use Access for anything jack
the
price up about triple and do it in VB or 1000% and do it in C++

HTH
JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Paul Black
> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 3:00 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Distribution - a bit OT
>
>
> Hi
>
> I submitted a proposal to a client this week for a custom
> application. Their
> nose is a bit bent out of shape because they feel they should be able
to
> slap a CD in the drive click the install button and the app will
> install in
> a nice self-contained thing-a-ma-bob (that is what they said).
>
> Why do we have to have MS Access installed? You don't, I said, I
> can supply
> a runtime version.
>
> Why do we have to worry about what version of MS Access is installed
> already? We did not ask for MS Access, we asked for a custom computer
> application.
>
> Why do we have to worry about installing a runtime version on a
> machine with
> Access already on it and causing all kinds of problems (paraphrased)?
>
> Plain and simple they want an app that is a DBS management system
> but they
> want something that is completely autonomous. What do I do? What
> would you
> do? I may have already lost this deal but need to prepare for the
> next time
> this happens.
>
> Do I offer a solution that is all VB or C++ or some such thing or am I
> missing the boat here. Please help.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> PB
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat May 31 18:13:54 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 19:13:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Distribution - a bit OT
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802226CB8@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEOFDOAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

But if you use the installers, the "different version" is only used by your
app, and isn't even visible to other apps.  It's just "files needed" for
your app.  No need for lawsuits.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 6:58 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com '
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Distribution - a bit OT


It is NOT a Visual Basic Application though.  Installing a VB application
will not affect other installed software (unless you write you're own .dll's
that overwrite common .dll's.).

If I had a user install something that was documented as a 'Visual Basic
Application', but it went and installed a different version of Access, there
would be a lawsuit involved.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: 5/31/03 3:28 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Distribution - a bit OT

You will run into this all the time with the know it all (arrogant) IT
types.

First off don't tell them its Access if they don't want to hear it. Its
a
"Visual Basic Application which uses a standard Microsoft data file for
storage. Give the app an icon using the tools | startup options menu
options
and hide everything else.

Secondly, everything they want as far as installation demands can be
done if
you use a Wise or Install shield installation with the help of Sage Key
scripts. This has been discussed a lot in the archives so I won't go
into
it.

If they make a point of that you are not to use Access for anything jack
the
price up about triple and do it in VB or 1000% and do it in C++

HTH
JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Paul Black
> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 3:00 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Distribution - a bit OT
>
>
> Hi
>
> I submitted a proposal to a client this week for a custom
> application. Their
> nose is a bit bent out of shape because they feel they should be able
to
> slap a CD in the drive click the install button and the app will
> install in
> a nice self-contained thing-a-ma-bob (that is what they said).
>
> Why do we have to have MS Access installed? You don't, I said, I
> can supply
> a runtime version.
>
> Why do we have to worry about what version of MS Access is installed
> already? We did not ask for MS Access, we asked for a custom computer
> application.
>
> Why do we have to worry about installing a runtime version on a
> machine with
> Access already on it and causing all kinds of problems (paraphrased)?
>
> Plain and simple they want an app that is a DBS management system
> but they
> want something that is completely autonomous. What do I do? What
> would you
> do? I may have already lost this deal but need to prepare for the
> next time
> this happens.
>
> Do I offer a solution that is all VB or C++ or some such thing or am I
> missing the boat here. Please help.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> PB
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat May 31 07:50:56 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 05:50:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Distribution - a bit OT
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802226CB7@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFKEADCJAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Guys:

The one big problem I have always had converting Access to VB is the Access
automated SubForm interface that is just great with Invoicing systems. With
VB I have found of no easy way to duplicate these feature other than with
brute force programming or getting the client to buy a TB Grid component for
their site.

I have some great interfaces, created, using a combination of
DBgrid/Flexgrids, arrays and lots of programming. Do you have a better way
or is there something I have been over-looking all these years?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 3:56 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com '
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Distribution - a bit OT


Paul, the problem you ran into was something that should occur at the
beginning of a job proposal.  If they don't want Access, you have two
options.  Sell it to them.  That can be pretty difficult, but it's not
necessarily impossible.  Explain the benefits, etc.  Two, build it in
something else.  Personally, I develop a lot of stuff in VB just as fast as
I would in Access, or at least close.

The big clash with Access is solved with VB.  Installing a runtime version
of Access 97 will definitely clash with a previous installation of Access 2k
or XP, or any future version.  That gives your Access applications a smudge,
a special consideration smudge.  Since bound applications can be built
extremely fast in Access, the development expense should outway that issue.

VB does not have the compatibility issue.  Installing VB 5.0 applications on
a machine that VB 6 applications have no issue, same with .Net.  So you can
install it and walk away.  The only issue you may have is if a future OS
does not support VB applications...but that is a long time away.  VB can use
.mdb's through ADO or DAO, which install on their own.  Newer ADO/DAO
versions can use previous .mdb versions, so that isn't an issue either.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Black
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: 5/31/03 2:59 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Distribution - a bit OT

Hi

I submitted a proposal to a client this week for a custom application.
Their
nose is a bit bent out of shape because they feel they should be able to

slap a CD in the drive click the install button and the app will install
in
a nice self-contained thing-a-ma-bob (that is what they said).

Why do we have to have MS Access installed? You don't, I said, I can
supply
a runtime version.

Why do we have to worry about what version of MS Access is installed
already? We did not ask for MS Access, we asked for a custom computer
application.

Why do we have to worry about installing a runtime version on a machine
with
Access already on it and causing all kinds of problems (paraphrased)?

Plain and simple they want an app that is a DBS management system but
they
want something that is completely autonomous. What do I do? What would
you
do? I may have already lost this deal but need to prepare for the next
time
this happens.

Do I offer a solution that is all VB or C++ or some such thing or am I
missing the boat here. Please help.


Thanks

PB

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From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Thu May  1 02:58:14 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 09:58:14 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Request for new OT list
References: 	<00df01c30a91$28a82630$8e01a8c0@Rock><001d01c30c1a$eb0b86b0$0300a8c0@S856>
	<044301c30f5e$b2c40880$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>
Message-ID: <009f01c30fb7$6b9bcbb0$0300a8c0@S856>

William,
thank you for your comment. We will take care as soon as we have the new crew
trained.
Lembit
Lembit Soobik

----- Original Message -----
From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Request for new OT list


> Lembit
>
> ...been working out of town the past week so I missed this topic when it
> first presented itself.
>
> ...though Arthur and I fervently disagree on other matters, on AccessD and a
> second OT list we are of one accord ...it was frequently discussed within
> dba in the past, as the dba-OT list moved further and further away from its
> AccessD parentage, but never achieved the critical mass necessary to get it
> from discussion to reality ...thus the problem remains, no one wanting only
> an OT technical answer would want to traipse through the hundreds of dba-OT
> daily messages on every other topic imaginable just to filter out those he's
> interested in ...its intimidating and I'm sure its stopped many an AccessD
> user from posting an OT tech question there ...not that we don't see them
> occasionally but only from existing dba-OT list members ...thus implementing
> Arthur's suggestion would, imnsho, be of immediate and substantial value to
> all AccessD list members ...the sooner the better. :))
>
> William Hindman
> "I am extraordinarily patient, provided I get my own way in the end."
> Margaret Thatcher
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lembit Soobik" <Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 1:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Request for new OT list
>
>
> > Arthur,
> > we are considering this, but at the moment I cannot give you a schedule.
> > Lembit
> >
> > Lembit Soobik
> >
> >
> >
> > > I propose that dba sets up a new list which is for questions, called
> OTSH
> > > (software and hardware). On this list we could ask questions about the
> Word
> > > object model, the LinkSys router, MapPoint and Share-Point Portal
> Server, to
> > > cite just a few possible subjects (that are currently on my mind).
> > >
> > > I don't like to clutter this list with OT messages about such stuff, and
> I
> > > get into too many political arguments on the OT list so I unsubbed.
> > >
> > > On OTSH, if certain threads become popular they could eventually assume
> the
> > > status of the access, sql, visio, vb &c. lists. Meanwhile they could
> share
> > > one space and we could subscribe or not, knowing vaguely the content.
> > >
> > > Arthur
> > >
> > >
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu May  1 03:42:55 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 10:42:55 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Selecting Nth Max or Min from a table
Message-ID: <1188958972.20030501104255@cactus.dk>

Hi all

In the Oracle Magazine of Mar/Apr a method for this is shown:

<SQL>

SELECT
  MIN(col1)
FROM
  (SELECT
    col1
  FROM
    (SELECT DISTINCT
      col1
    FROM
      Tab1
    ORDER BY
      code DESC)
  WHERE
    RowNum <= &N)

</SQL>

This doesn't work with Jet.

However, using TOP N, this can even be done simpler in Access (Jet)
should you ever need it. Replace N with that from Nth.

Here is for the Nth Min:

<SQL>

SELECT
  MAX(A.col1) AS NthMin
FROM
  [SELECT DISTINCT TOP N
    col1
  FROM
    tblTable
  ORDER BY
    col1 ASC]. AS A;

</SQL>

Here is for the Nth Max:

<SQL>

SELECT
  MIN(A.col1) AS NthMax
FROM
  [SELECT DISTINCT TOP N
    col1
  FROM
    tblTable
  ORDER BY
    col1 DESC]. AS A;

</SQL>

Those not familiar with the strange [..]. syntax may look up the
archives for "SQL in-line subquery" 

/gustav


From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu May  1 03:48:19 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 10:48:19 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Which SQL engines support SHAPE?
Message-ID: <1349282477.20030501104819@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Is SHAPE (returning sub recordsets within a recordset) in SQL
proprietary of Microsoft SQL Server? 

Or do some other SQL engines support this too?

/gustav


From markH at bitgen.co.uk  Thu May  1 04:15:58 2003
From: markH at bitgen.co.uk (MarkH)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 10:15:58 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections
In-Reply-To: <1349282477.20030501104819@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000001c30fc2$47c6d170$9cda883e@laptop>

Hello All

(using AXP on WinXP)

Does anyone have an example of some open dialog code that allows the
user to select more than one file? I need to be able to select one or
more files and just return the paths to the database, not open them at
that time...

Cheers

Mark

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu May  1 05:29:42 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 20:29:42 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections
In-Reply-To: <000001c30fc2$47c6d170$9cda883e@laptop>
References: <1349282477.20030501104819@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <3EB183B6.31313.80EF140@localhost>

On 1 May 2003 at 10:15, MarkH wrote:

> Hello All
> 
> (using AXP on WinXP)
> 
> Does anyone have an example of some open dialog code that allows the
> user to select more than one file? I need to be able to select one or
> more files and just return the paths to the database, not open them at
> that time...
> 

Here's an example of using the GetOpenFileName  API yet again :-)
You will notice that Flags is set to  '%OFN_ALLOWMULTISELECT ( 
&H00000200), it will do what you want (see  the flags section below 
for explanations and constants).

      Type OPENFILENAME
         lStructSize As Long
         hwndOwner As Long
         hInstance As Long
         lpstrFilter As String
         lpstrCustomFilter As String
         nMaxCustFilter As Long
         nFilterIndex As Long
         lpstrFile As String
         nMaxFile As Long
         lpstrFileTitle As String
         nMaxFileTitle As Long
         lpstrInitialDir As String
         lpstrTitle As String
         flags As Long
         nFileOffset As Integer
         nFileExtension As Integer
         lpstrDefExt As String
         lCustData As Long
         lpfnHook As Long
         lpTemplateName As String
       End Type

Declare Function GetOpenFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" Alias _
         "GetOpenFileNameA" (pOpenfilename As OPENFILENAME) As Long


Private Sub btnbrowse_Click()

         Dim OpenFile As OPENFILENAME
         Dim lReturn As Long
         Dim sFilter As String
         OpenFile.lStructSize = Len(OpenFile)
         OpenFile.hwndOwner = Me.hwnd
         OpenFile.hInstance = 0
         sFilter = "" & Chr(0)
         OpenFile.lpstrFilter = sFilter
         OpenFile.nFilterIndex = 1
         OpenFile.lpstrFile = String(257, 0)
         OpenFile.nMaxFile = Len(OpenFile.lpstrFile) - 1
         OpenFile.lpstrFileTitle = OpenFile.lpstrFile
         OpenFile.nMaxFileTitle = OpenFile.nMaxFile
         OpenFile.lpstrInitialDir = "C:\"
         OpenFile.lpstrTitle = "Select File"
         OpenFile.flags = &H00000200
         lReturn = GetOpenFileName(OpenFile)
            
         Text0 = Left$(OpenFile.lpstrFile, InStr(OpenFile.lpstrFile, 
Chr$(0)) - 1)
End Sub


Flags

A set of bit flags you can use to initialize the dialog box. When the 
dialog box returns, it sets these flags to indicate the user's input. 
This member can be a combination of the following flags: 

 OFN_ALLOWMULTISELECT	
Specifies that the File Name list box allows multiple selections. If 
you also set the OFN_EXPLORER flag, the dialog box uses the Explorer-
style user interface; otherwise, it uses the old-style user 
interface. If the user selects more than one file, the lpstrFile 
buffer returns the path to the current directory followed by the 
filenames of the selected files. The nFileOffset member is the offset 
to the first filename, and the nFileExtension member is not used. For 
Explorer-style dialog boxes, the directory and filename strings are 
NULL separated, with an extra NULL character after the last filename. 
This format enables the Explorer-style dialogs to return long 
filenames that include spaces. For old-style dialog boxes, the 
directory and filename strings are separated by spaces and the 
function uses short filenames for filenames with spaces. You can use 
the FindFirstFile function to convert between long and short 
filenames. If you specify a custom template for an old-style dialog 
box, the definition of the File Name list box must contain the 
LBS_EXTENDEDSEL value. 
 
 OFN_CREATEPROMPT	
If the user specifies a file that does not exist, this flag causes 
the dialog box to prompt the user for permission to create the file. 
If the user chooses to create the file, the dialog box closes and the 
function returns the specified name; otherwise, the dialog box 
remains open. 
OFN_ENABLEHOOK	
Enables the hook function specified in the lpfnHook member. 
OFN_ENABLETEMPLATE	
Indicates that the lpTemplateName member points to the name of a 
dialog template resource in the module identified by the hInstance 
member.If the OFN_EXPLORER flag is set, the system uses the specified 
template to create a dialog box that is a child of the default 
Explorer-style dialog box. If the OFN_EXPLORER flag is not set, the 
system uses the template to create an old-style dialog box that 
replaces the default dialog box.
OFN_ENABLETEMPLATEHANDLE	
Indicates that the hInstance member identifies a data block that 
contains a preloaded dialog box template. The system ignores the 
lpTemplateName if this flag is specified.If the OFN_EXPLORER flag is 
set, the system uses the specified template to create a dialog box 
that is a child of the default Explorer-style dialog box. If the 
OFN_EXPLORER flag is not set, the system uses the template to create 
an old-style dialog box that replaces the default dialog box.
OFN_EXPLORER	
Indicates that any customizations made to the Open or Save As dialog 
box use the new Explorer-style customization methods. For more 
information, see the "Explorer-Style Hook Procedures" and "Explorer-
Style Custom Templates" sections of the Common Dialog Box Library 
overview.By default, the Open and Save As dialog boxes use the 
Explorer-style user interface regardless of whether this flag is set. 
This flag is necessary only if you provide a hook procedure or custom 
template, or set the OFN_ALLOWMULTISELECT flag. If you want the old-
style user interface, omit the OFN_EXPLORER flag and provide a 
replacement old-style template or hook procedure. If you want the old 
style but do not need a custom template or hook procedure, simply 
provide a hook procedure that always returns FALSE.
OFN_EXTENSIONDIFFERENT	
Specifies that the user typed a filename extension that differs from 
the extension specified by lpstrDefExt. The function does not use 
this flag if lpstrDefExt is NULL.
OFN_FILEMUSTEXIST	
Specifies that the user can type only names of existing files in the 
File Name entry field. If this flag is specified and the user enters 
an invalid name, the dialog box procedure displays a warning in a 
message box. If this flag is specified, the OFN_PATHMUSTEXIST flag is 
also used.
OFN_HIDEREADONLY	
Hides the Read Only check box.
OFN_LONGNAMES	
For old-style dialog boxes, this flag causes the dialog box to use 
long filenames. If this flag is not specified, or if the 
OFN_ALLOWMULTISELECT flag is also set, old-style dialog boxes use 
short filenames (8.3 format) for filenames with spaces. Explorer-
style dialog boxes ignore this flag and always display long 
filenames.
OFN_NOCHANGEDIR	
Restores the current directory to its original value if the user 
changed the directory while searching for files.
OFN_NODEREFERENCELINKS	
Directs the dialog box to return the path and filename of the 
selected shortcut (.LNK) file. If this value is not given, the dialog 
box returns the path and filename of the file referenced by the 
shortcut
OFN_NOLONGNAMES	
For old-style dialog boxes, this flag causes the dialog box to use 
short filenames (8.3 format). Explorer-style dialog boxes ignore this 
flag and always display long filenames.
OFN_NONETWORKBUTTON	
Hides and disables the Network button.
OFN_NOREADONLYRETURN	
Specifies that the returned file does not have the Read Only check 
box checked and is not in a write-protected directory.
OFN_NOTESTFILECREATE	
Specifies that the file is not created before the dialog box is 
closed. This flag should be specified if the application saves the 
file on a create-nonmodify network sharepoint. When an application 
specifies this flag, the library does not check for write protection, 
a full disk, an open drive door, or network protection. Applications 
using this flag must perform file operations carefully, because a 
file cannot be reopened once it is closed.
OFN_NOVALIDATE	
Specifies that the common dialog boxes allow invalid characters in 
the returned filename. Typically, the calling application uses a hook 
procedure that checks the filename by using the FILEOKSTRING message. 
If the text box in the edit control is empty or contains nothing but 
spaces, the lists of files and directories are updated. If the text 
box in the edit control contains anything else, nFileOffset and 
nFileExtension are set to values generated by parsing the text. No 
default extension is added to the text, nor is text copied to the 
buffer specified by lpstrFileTitle.
If the value specified by nFileOffset is less than zero, the filename 
is invalid. Otherwise, the filename is valid, and nFileExtension and 
nFileOffset can be used as if the OFN_NOVALIDATE flag had not been 
specified.
OFN_OVERWRITEPROMPT	
Causes the Save As dialog box to generate a message box if the 
selected file already exists. The user must confirm whether to 
overwrite the file.
OFN_PATHMUSTEXIST	
Specifies that the user can type only valid paths and filenames. If 
this flag is used and the user types an invalid path and filename in 
the File Name entry field, the dialog box function displays a warning 
in a message box.
OFN_READONLY	
Causes the Read Only check box to be checked initially when the 
dialog box is created. This flag indicates the state of the Read Only 
check box when the dialog box is closed.
OFN_SHAREAWARE	
Specifies that if a call to the OpenFile function fails because of a 
network sharing violation, the error is ignored and the dialog box 
returns the selected filename. If this flag is not set, the dialog 
box notifies your hook procedure when a network sharing violation 
occurs for the filename specified by the user. If you set the 
OFN_EXPLORER flag, the dialog box sends the CDN_SHAREVIOLATION 
message to the hook procedure. If you do not set OFN_EXPLORER, the 
dialog box sends the SHAREVISTRING registered message to the hook 
procedure. 
OFN_SHOWHELP	
Causes the dialog box to display the Help button. The hwndOwner 
member must specify the window to receive the HELPMSGSTRING 
registered messages that the dialog box sends when the user clicks 
the Help button.An Explorer-style dialog box sends a CDN_HELP 
notification message to your hook procedure when the user clicks the 
Help button. 

Values of flages are as follows:

%OFN_READONLY             = &H00000001
%OFN_OVERWRITEPROMPT      = &H00000002
%OFN_HIDEREADONLY         = &H00000004
%OFN_NOCHANGEDIR          = &H00000008
%OFN_SHOWHELP             = &H00000010
%OFN_ENABLEHOOK           = &H00000020
%OFN_ENABLETEMPLATE       = &H00000040
%OFN_ENABLETEMPLATEHANDLE = &H00000080
%OFN_NOVALIDATE           = &H00000100
%OFN_ALLOWMULTISELECT     = &H00000200
%OFN_EXTENSIONDIFFERENT   = &H00000400
%OFN_PATHMUSTEXIST        = &H00000800
%OFN_FILEMUSTEXIST        = &H00001000
%OFN_CREATEPROMPT         = &H00002000
%OFN_SHAREAWARE           = &H00004000
%OFN_NOREADONLYRETURN     = &H00008000
%OFN_NOTESTFILECREATE     = &H00010000
%OFN_NONETWORKBUTTON      = &H00020000
%OFN_NOLONGNAMES          = &H00040000 ' force no long names for 4.x 
modules
%OFN_EXPLORER             = &H00080000 ' new look commdlg
%OFN_NODEREFERENCELINKS   = &H00100000
%OFN_LONGNAMES            = &H00200000 ' force long names for 3.x 
modules
%OFN_ENABLEINCLUDENOTIFY  = &H00400000 ' send include message to 
callback
%OFN_ENABLESIZING         = &H00800000
%OFN_DONTADDTORECENT      = &H02000000
%OFN_FORCESHOWHIDDEN      = &H10000000 ' Show All files including 
System and hidden files

%OFN_EX_NOPLACESBAR       = &H00000001

' Return values for the registered message sent to the hook function
' when a sharing violation occurs.  %OFN_SHAREFALLTHROUGH allows the
' filename to be accepted, %OFN_SHARENOWARN rejects the name but puts
' up no warning (returned when the app has already put up a warning
' message), and %OFN_SHAREWARN puts up the default warning message
' for sharing violations.
'
' Note:  Undefined return values map to OFN_SHAREWARN, but are
'        reserved for future use.

%OFN_SHAREFALLTHROUGH     = 2
%OFN_SHARENOWARN          = 1
%OFN_SHAREWARN            = 0

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http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From markH at bitgen.co.uk  Thu May  1 05:58:50 2003
From: markH at bitgen.co.uk (MarkH)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 11:58:50 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections
In-Reply-To: <3EB183B6.31313.80EF140@localhost>
Message-ID: <000001c30fd0$a639dcd0$2c66893e@laptop>

Hello again

Sorry if I'm missing something here but...

If I set the flags like so:

	"OpenFile.flags = &H00000200"

the code is changed to 

	"OpenFile.flags = &H200"

	and I get a very old looking dialog box that doesn't list files.

But if I do it like this:

	"OpenFile.flags = OFN_ALLOWMULTISELECT"

	I get the dialog I'd expect but still can't make multiple
selections.

Am I doing something wrong ???

Cheers (again :o)

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: 01 May 2003 11:30
To: MarkH; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections


On 1 May 2003 at 10:15, MarkH wrote:

> Hello All
> 
> (using AXP on WinXP)
> 
> Does anyone have an example of some open dialog code that allows the 
> user to select more than one file? I need to be able to select one or 
> more files and just return the paths to the database, not open them at

> that time...
> 

Here's an example of using the GetOpenFileName  API yet again :-) You
will notice that Flags is set to  '%OFN_ALLOWMULTISELECT ( 
&H00000200), it will do what you want (see  the flags section below 
for explanations and constants).

      Type OPENFILENAME
         lStructSize As Long
         hwndOwner As Long
         hInstance As Long
         lpstrFilter As String
         lpstrCustomFilter As String
         nMaxCustFilter As Long
         nFilterIndex As Long
         lpstrFile As String
         nMaxFile As Long
         lpstrFileTitle As String
         nMaxFileTitle As Long
         lpstrInitialDir As String
         lpstrTitle As String
         flags As Long
         nFileOffset As Integer
         nFileExtension As Integer
         lpstrDefExt As String
         lCustData As Long
         lpfnHook As Long
         lpTemplateName As String
       End Type

Declare Function GetOpenFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" Alias _
         "GetOpenFileNameA" (pOpenfilename As OPENFILENAME) As Long


Private Sub btnbrowse_Click()

         Dim OpenFile As OPENFILENAME
         Dim lReturn As Long
         Dim sFilter As String
         OpenFile.lStructSize = Len(OpenFile)
         OpenFile.hwndOwner = Me.hwnd
         OpenFile.hInstance = 0
         sFilter = "" & Chr(0)
         OpenFile.lpstrFilter = sFilter
         OpenFile.nFilterIndex = 1
         OpenFile.lpstrFile = String(257, 0)
         OpenFile.nMaxFile = Len(OpenFile.lpstrFile) - 1
         OpenFile.lpstrFileTitle = OpenFile.lpstrFile
         OpenFile.nMaxFileTitle = OpenFile.nMaxFile
         OpenFile.lpstrInitialDir = "C:\"
         OpenFile.lpstrTitle = "Select File"
         OpenFile.flags = &H00000200
         lReturn = GetOpenFileName(OpenFile)
            
         Text0 = Left$(OpenFile.lpstrFile, InStr(OpenFile.lpstrFile, 
Chr$(0)) - 1)
End Sub


Flags

A set of bit flags you can use to initialize the dialog box. When the 
dialog box returns, it sets these flags to indicate the user's input. 
This member can be a combination of the following flags: 

 OFN_ALLOWMULTISELECT	
Specifies that the File Name list box allows multiple selections. If 
you also set the OFN_EXPLORER flag, the dialog box uses the Explorer-
style user interface; otherwise, it uses the old-style user 
interface. If the user selects more than one file, the lpstrFile 
buffer returns the path to the current directory followed by the 
filenames of the selected files. The nFileOffset member is the offset 
to the first filename, and the nFileExtension member is not used. For 
Explorer-style dialog boxes, the directory and filename strings are 
NULL separated, with an extra NULL character after the last filename. 
This format enables the Explorer-style dialogs to return long 
filenames that include spaces. For old-style dialog boxes, the 
directory and filename strings are separated by spaces and the 
function uses short filenames for filenames with spaces. You can use 
the FindFirstFile function to convert between long and short 
filenames. If you specify a custom template for an old-style dialog 
box, the definition of the File Name list box must contain the 
LBS_EXTENDEDSEL value. 
 
 OFN_CREATEPROMPT	
If the user specifies a file that does not exist, this flag causes 
the dialog box to prompt the user for permission to create the file. 
If the user chooses to create the file, the dialog box closes and the 
function returns the specified name; otherwise, the dialog box 
remains open. 
OFN_ENABLEHOOK	
Enables the hook function specified in the lpfnHook member. 
OFN_ENABLETEMPLATE	
Indicates that the lpTemplateName member points to the name of a 
dialog template resource in the module identified by the hInstance 
member.If the OFN_EXPLORER flag is set, the system uses the specified 
template to create a dialog box that is a child of the default 
Explorer-style dialog box. If the OFN_EXPLORER flag is not set, the 
system uses the template to create an old-style dialog box that 
replaces the default dialog box.
OFN_ENABLETEMPLATEHANDLE	
Indicates that the hInstance member identifies a data block that 
contains a preloaded dialog box template. The system ignores the 
lpTemplateName if this flag is specified.If the OFN_EXPLORER flag is 
set, the system uses the specified template to create a dialog box 
that is a child of the default Explorer-style dialog box. If the 
OFN_EXPLORER flag is not set, the system uses the template to create 
an old-style dialog box that replaces the default dialog box.
OFN_EXPLORER	
Indicates that any customizations made to the Open or Save As dialog 
box use the new Explorer-style customization methods. For more 
information, see the "Explorer-Style Hook Procedures" and "Explorer-
Style Custom Templates" sections of the Common Dialog Box Library 
overview.By default, the Open and Save As dialog boxes use the 
Explorer-style user interface regardless of whether this flag is set. 
This flag is necessary only if you provide a hook procedure or custom 
template, or set the OFN_ALLOWMULTISELECT flag. If you want the old-
style user interface, omit the OFN_EXPLORER flag and provide a 
replacement old-style template or hook procedure. If you want the old 
style but do not need a custom template or hook procedure, simply 
provide a hook procedure that always returns FALSE.
OFN_EXTENSIONDIFFERENT	
Specifies that the user typed a filename extension that differs from 
the extension specified by lpstrDefExt. The function does not use 
this flag if lpstrDefExt is NULL.
OFN_FILEMUSTEXIST	
Specifies that the user can type only names of existing files in the 
File Name entry field. If this flag is specified and the user enters 
an invalid name, the dialog box procedure displays a warning in a 
message box. If this flag is specified, the OFN_PATHMUSTEXIST flag is 
also used.
OFN_HIDEREADONLY	
Hides the Read Only check box.
OFN_LONGNAMES	
For old-style dialog boxes, this flag causes the dialog box to use 
long filenames. If this flag is not specified, or if the 
OFN_ALLOWMULTISELECT flag is also set, old-style dialog boxes use 
short filenames (8.3 format) for filenames with spaces. Explorer- style
dialog boxes ignore this flag and always display long 
filenames.
OFN_NOCHANGEDIR	
Restores the current directory to its original value if the user 
changed the directory while searching for files.
OFN_NODEREFERENCELINKS	
Directs the dialog box to return the path and filename of the 
selected shortcut (.LNK) file. If this value is not given, the dialog 
box returns the path and filename of the file referenced by the 
shortcut
OFN_NOLONGNAMES	
For old-style dialog boxes, this flag causes the dialog box to use 
short filenames (8.3 format). Explorer-style dialog boxes ignore this 
flag and always display long filenames.
OFN_NONETWORKBUTTON	
Hides and disables the Network button.
OFN_NOREADONLYRETURN	
Specifies that the returned file does not have the Read Only check 
box checked and is not in a write-protected directory.
OFN_NOTESTFILECREATE	
Specifies that the file is not created before the dialog box is 
closed. This flag should be specified if the application saves the 
file on a create-nonmodify network sharepoint. When an application 
specifies this flag, the library does not check for write protection, 
a full disk, an open drive door, or network protection. Applications 
using this flag must perform file operations carefully, because a 
file cannot be reopened once it is closed.
OFN_NOVALIDATE	
Specifies that the common dialog boxes allow invalid characters in 
the returned filename. Typically, the calling application uses a hook 
procedure that checks the filename by using the FILEOKSTRING message. 
If the text box in the edit control is empty or contains nothing but 
spaces, the lists of files and directories are updated. If the text 
box in the edit control contains anything else, nFileOffset and 
nFileExtension are set to values generated by parsing the text. No 
default extension is added to the text, nor is text copied to the 
buffer specified by lpstrFileTitle.
If the value specified by nFileOffset is less than zero, the filename 
is invalid. Otherwise, the filename is valid, and nFileExtension and 
nFileOffset can be used as if the OFN_NOVALIDATE flag had not been 
specified.
OFN_OVERWRITEPROMPT	
Causes the Save As dialog box to generate a message box if the 
selected file already exists. The user must confirm whether to 
overwrite the file.
OFN_PATHMUSTEXIST	
Specifies that the user can type only valid paths and filenames. If 
this flag is used and the user types an invalid path and filename in 
the File Name entry field, the dialog box function displays a warning 
in a message box.
OFN_READONLY	
Causes the Read Only check box to be checked initially when the 
dialog box is created. This flag indicates the state of the Read Only 
check box when the dialog box is closed.
OFN_SHAREAWARE	
Specifies that if a call to the OpenFile function fails because of a 
network sharing violation, the error is ignored and the dialog box 
returns the selected filename. If this flag is not set, the dialog 
box notifies your hook procedure when a network sharing violation 
occurs for the filename specified by the user. If you set the 
OFN_EXPLORER flag, the dialog box sends the CDN_SHAREVIOLATION 
message to the hook procedure. If you do not set OFN_EXPLORER, the 
dialog box sends the SHAREVISTRING registered message to the hook 
procedure. 
OFN_SHOWHELP	
Causes the dialog box to display the Help button. The hwndOwner 
member must specify the window to receive the HELPMSGSTRING 
registered messages that the dialog box sends when the user clicks 
the Help button.An Explorer-style dialog box sends a CDN_HELP 
notification message to your hook procedure when the user clicks the 
Help button. 

Values of flages are as follows:

%OFN_READONLY             = &H00000001
%OFN_OVERWRITEPROMPT      = &H00000002
%OFN_HIDEREADONLY         = &H00000004
%OFN_NOCHANGEDIR          = &H00000008
%OFN_SHOWHELP             = &H00000010
%OFN_ENABLEHOOK           = &H00000020
%OFN_ENABLETEMPLATE       = &H00000040
%OFN_ENABLETEMPLATEHANDLE = &H00000080
%OFN_NOVALIDATE           = &H00000100
%OFN_ALLOWMULTISELECT     = &H00000200
%OFN_EXTENSIONDIFFERENT   = &H00000400
%OFN_PATHMUSTEXIST        = &H00000800
%OFN_FILEMUSTEXIST        = &H00001000
%OFN_CREATEPROMPT         = &H00002000
%OFN_SHAREAWARE           = &H00004000
%OFN_NOREADONLYRETURN     = &H00008000
%OFN_NOTESTFILECREATE     = &H00010000
%OFN_NONETWORKBUTTON      = &H00020000
%OFN_NOLONGNAMES          = &H00040000 ' force no long names for 4.x 
modules
%OFN_EXPLORER             = &H00080000 ' new look commdlg
%OFN_NODEREFERENCELINKS   = &H00100000
%OFN_LONGNAMES            = &H00200000 ' force long names for 3.x 
modules
%OFN_ENABLEINCLUDENOTIFY  = &H00400000 ' send include message to 
callback
%OFN_ENABLESIZING         = &H00800000
%OFN_DONTADDTORECENT      = &H02000000
%OFN_FORCESHOWHIDDEN      = &H10000000 ' Show All files including 
System and hidden files

%OFN_EX_NOPLACESBAR       = &H00000001

' Return values for the registered message sent to the hook function '
when a sharing violation occurs.  %OFN_SHAREFALLTHROUGH allows the '
filename to be accepted, %OFN_SHARENOWARN rejects the name but puts ' up
no warning (returned when the app has already put up a warning '
message), and %OFN_SHAREWARN puts up the default warning message ' for
sharing violations. ' ' Note:  Undefined return values map to
OFN_SHAREWARN, but are
'        reserved for future use.

%OFN_SHAREFALLTHROUGH     = 2
%OFN_SHARENOWARN          = 1
%OFN_SHAREWARN            = 0

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From markH at bitgen.co.uk  Thu May  1 06:09:35 2003
From: markH at bitgen.co.uk (MarkH)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 12:09:35 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections
In-Reply-To: <000001c30fd0$a639dcd0$2c66893e@laptop>
Message-ID: <000001c30fd2$26d8ff50$2c66893e@laptop>

Oooops... Got it thanks :o)

Mark

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MarkH
Sent: 01 May 2003 11:59
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections


Hello again

Sorry if I'm missing something here but...

If I set the flags like so:

	"OpenFile.flags = &H00000200"

the code is changed to 

	"OpenFile.flags = &H200"

	and I get a very old looking dialog box that doesn't list files.

But if I do it like this:

	"OpenFile.flags = OFN_ALLOWMULTISELECT"

	I get the dialog I'd expect but still can't make multiple
selections.

Am I doing something wrong ???

Cheers (again :o)

Mark

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: 01 May 2003 11:30
To: MarkH; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections


On 1 May 2003 at 10:15, MarkH wrote:

> Hello All
> 
> (using AXP on WinXP)
> 
> Does anyone have an example of some open dialog code that allows the
> user to select more than one file? I need to be able to select one or 
> more files and just return the paths to the database, not open them at

> that time...
> 

Here's an example of using the GetOpenFileName  API yet again :-) You
will notice that Flags is set to  '%OFN_ALLOWMULTISELECT ( 
&H00000200), it will do what you want (see  the flags section below 
for explanations and constants).

      Type OPENFILENAME
         lStructSize As Long
         hwndOwner As Long
         hInstance As Long
         lpstrFilter As String
         lpstrCustomFilter As String
         nMaxCustFilter As Long
         nFilterIndex As Long
         lpstrFile As String
         nMaxFile As Long
         lpstrFileTitle As String
         nMaxFileTitle As Long
         lpstrInitialDir As String
         lpstrTitle As String
         flags As Long
         nFileOffset As Integer
         nFileExtension As Integer
         lpstrDefExt As String
         lCustData As Long
         lpfnHook As Long
         lpTemplateName As String
       End Type

Declare Function GetOpenFileName Lib "comdlg32.dll" Alias _
         "GetOpenFileNameA" (pOpenfilename As OPENFILENAME) As Long


Private Sub btnbrowse_Click()

         Dim OpenFile As OPENFILENAME
         Dim lReturn As Long
         Dim sFilter As String
         OpenFile.lStructSize = Len(OpenFile)
         OpenFile.hwndOwner = Me.hwnd
         OpenFile.hInstance = 0
         sFilter = "" & Chr(0)
         OpenFile.lpstrFilter = sFilter
         OpenFile.nFilterIndex = 1
         OpenFile.lpstrFile = String(257, 0)
         OpenFile.nMaxFile = Len(OpenFile.lpstrFile) - 1
         OpenFile.lpstrFileTitle = OpenFile.lpstrFile
         OpenFile.nMaxFileTitle = OpenFile.nMaxFile
         OpenFile.lpstrInitialDir = "C:\"
         OpenFile.lpstrTitle = "Select File"
         OpenFile.flags = &H00000200
         lReturn = GetOpenFileName(OpenFile)
            
         Text0 = Left$(OpenFile.lpstrFile, InStr(OpenFile.lpstrFile, 
Chr$(0)) - 1)
End Sub


Flags

A set of bit flags you can use to initialize the dialog box. When the 
dialog box returns, it sets these flags to indicate the user's input. 
This member can be a combination of the following flags: 

 OFN_ALLOWMULTISELECT	
Specifies that the File Name list box allows multiple selections. If 
you also set the OFN_EXPLORER flag, the dialog box uses the Explorer-
style user interface; otherwise, it uses the old-style user 
interface. If the user selects more than one file, the lpstrFile 
buffer returns the path to the current directory followed by the 
filenames of the selected files. The nFileOffset member is the offset 
to the first filename, and the nFileExtension member is not used. For 
Explorer-style dialog boxes, the directory and filename strings are 
NULL separated, with an extra NULL character after the last filename. 
This format enables the Explorer-style dialogs to return long 
filenames that include spaces. For old-style dialog boxes, the 
directory and filename strings are separated by spaces and the 
function uses short filenames for filenames with spaces. You can use 
the FindFirstFile function to convert between long and short 
filenames. If you specify a custom template for an old-style dialog 
box, the definition of the File Name list box must contain the 
LBS_EXTENDEDSEL value. 
 
 OFN_CREATEPROMPT	
If the user specifies a file that does not exist, this flag causes 
the dialog box to prompt the user for permission to create the file. 
If the user chooses to create the file, the dialog box closes and the 
function returns the specified name; otherwise, the dialog box 
remains open. 
OFN_ENABLEHOOK	
Enables the hook function specified in the lpfnHook member. 
OFN_ENABLETEMPLATE	
Indicates that the lpTemplateName member points to the name of a 
dialog template resource in the module identified by the hInstance 
member.If the OFN_EXPLORER flag is set, the system uses the specified 
template to create a dialog box that is a child of the default 
Explorer-style dialog box. If the OFN_EXPLORER flag is not set, the 
system uses the template to create an old-style dialog box that 
replaces the default dialog box.
OFN_ENABLETEMPLATEHANDLE	
Indicates that the hInstance member identifies a data block that 
contains a preloaded dialog box template. The system ignores the 
lpTemplateName if this flag is specified.If the OFN_EXPLORER flag is 
set, the system uses the specified template to create a dialog box 
that is a child of the default Explorer-style dialog box. If the 
OFN_EXPLORER flag is not set, the system uses the template to create 
an old-style dialog box that replaces the default dialog box.
OFN_EXPLORER	
Indicates that any customizations made to the Open or Save As dialog 
box use the new Explorer-style customization methods. For more 
information, see the "Explorer-Style Hook Procedures" and "Explorer-
Style Custom Templates" sections of the Common Dialog Box Library 
overview.By default, the Open and Save As dialog boxes use the 
Explorer-style user interface regardless of whether this flag is set. 
This flag is necessary only if you provide a hook procedure or custom 
template, or set the OFN_ALLOWMULTISELECT flag. If you want the old-
style user interface, omit the OFN_EXPLORER flag and provide a 
replacement old-style template or hook procedure. If you want the old 
style but do not need a custom template or hook procedure, simply 
provide a hook procedure that always returns FALSE.
OFN_EXTENSIONDIFFERENT	
Specifies that the user typed a filename extension that differs from 
the extension specified by lpstrDefExt. The function does not use 
this flag if lpstrDefExt is NULL.
OFN_FILEMUSTEXIST	
Specifies that the user can type only names of existing files in the 
File Name entry field. If this flag is specified and the user enters 
an invalid name, the dialog box procedure displays a warning in a 
message box. If this flag is specified, the OFN_PATHMUSTEXIST flag is 
also used.
OFN_HIDEREADONLY	
Hides the Read Only check box.
OFN_LONGNAMES	
For old-style dialog boxes, this flag causes the dialog box to use 
long filenames. If this flag is not specified, or if the 
OFN_ALLOWMULTISELECT flag is also set, old-style dialog boxes use 
short filenames (8.3 format) for filenames with spaces. Explorer- style
dialog boxes ignore this flag and always display long 
filenames.
OFN_NOCHANGEDIR	
Restores the current directory to its original value if the user 
changed the directory while searching for files.
OFN_NODEREFERENCELINKS	
Directs the dialog box to return the path and filename of the 
selected shortcut (.LNK) file. If this value is not given, the dialog 
box returns the path and filename of the file referenced by the 
shortcut
OFN_NOLONGNAMES	
For old-style dialog boxes, this flag causes the dialog box to use 
short filenames (8.3 format). Explorer-style dialog boxes ignore this 
flag and always display long filenames.
OFN_NONETWORKBUTTON	
Hides and disables the Network button.
OFN_NOREADONLYRETURN	
Specifies that the returned file does not have the Read Only check 
box checked and is not in a write-protected directory.
OFN_NOTESTFILECREATE	
Specifies that the file is not created before the dialog box is 
closed. This flag should be specified if the application saves the 
file on a create-nonmodify network sharepoint. When an application 
specifies this flag, the library does not check for write protection, 
a full disk, an open drive door, or network protection. Applications 
using this flag must perform file operations carefully, because a 
file cannot be reopened once it is closed.
OFN_NOVALIDATE	
Specifies that the common dialog boxes allow invalid characters in 
the returned filename. Typically, the calling application uses a hook 
procedure that checks the filename by using the FILEOKSTRING message. 
If the text box in the edit control is empty or contains nothing but 
spaces, the lists of files and directories are updated. If the text 
box in the edit control contains anything else, nFileOffset and 
nFileExtension are set to values generated by parsing the text. No 
default extension is added to the text, nor is text copied to the 
buffer specified by lpstrFileTitle.
If the value specified by nFileOffset is less than zero, the filename 
is invalid. Otherwise, the filename is valid, and nFileExtension and 
nFileOffset can be used as if the OFN_NOVALIDATE flag had not been 
specified.
OFN_OVERWRITEPROMPT	
Causes the Save As dialog box to generate a message box if the 
selected file already exists. The user must confirm whether to 
overwrite the file.
OFN_PATHMUSTEXIST	
Specifies that the user can type only valid paths and filenames. If 
this flag is used and the user types an invalid path and filename in 
the File Name entry field, the dialog box function displays a warning 
in a message box.
OFN_READONLY	
Causes the Read Only check box to be checked initially when the 
dialog box is created. This flag indicates the state of the Read Only 
check box when the dialog box is closed.
OFN_SHAREAWARE	
Specifies that if a call to the OpenFile function fails because of a 
network sharing violation, the error is ignored and the dialog box 
returns the selected filename. If this flag is not set, the dialog 
box notifies your hook procedure when a network sharing violation 
occurs for the filename specified by the user. If you set the 
OFN_EXPLORER flag, the dialog box sends the CDN_SHAREVIOLATION 
message to the hook procedure. If you do not set OFN_EXPLORER, the 
dialog box sends the SHAREVISTRING registered message to the hook 
procedure. 
OFN_SHOWHELP	
Causes the dialog box to display the Help button. The hwndOwner 
member must specify the window to receive the HELPMSGSTRING 
registered messages that the dialog box sends when the user clicks 
the Help button.An Explorer-style dialog box sends a CDN_HELP 
notification message to your hook procedure when the user clicks the 
Help button. 

Values of flages are as follows:

%OFN_READONLY             = &H00000001
%OFN_OVERWRITEPROMPT      = &H00000002
%OFN_HIDEREADONLY         = &H00000004
%OFN_NOCHANGEDIR          = &H00000008
%OFN_SHOWHELP             = &H00000010
%OFN_ENABLEHOOK           = &H00000020
%OFN_ENABLETEMPLATE       = &H00000040
%OFN_ENABLETEMPLATEHANDLE = &H00000080
%OFN_NOVALIDATE           = &H00000100
%OFN_ALLOWMULTISELECT     = &H00000200
%OFN_EXTENSIONDIFFERENT   = &H00000400
%OFN_PATHMUSTEXIST        = &H00000800
%OFN_FILEMUSTEXIST        = &H00001000
%OFN_CREATEPROMPT         = &H00002000
%OFN_SHAREAWARE           = &H00004000
%OFN_NOREADONLYRETURN     = &H00008000
%OFN_NOTESTFILECREATE     = &H00010000
%OFN_NONETWORKBUTTON      = &H00020000
%OFN_NOLONGNAMES          = &H00040000 ' force no long names for 4.x 
modules
%OFN_EXPLORER             = &H00080000 ' new look commdlg
%OFN_NODEREFERENCELINKS   = &H00100000
%OFN_LONGNAMES            = &H00200000 ' force long names for 3.x 
modules
%OFN_ENABLEINCLUDENOTIFY  = &H00400000 ' send include message to 
callback
%OFN_ENABLESIZING         = &H00800000
%OFN_DONTADDTORECENT      = &H02000000
%OFN_FORCESHOWHIDDEN      = &H10000000 ' Show All files including 
System and hidden files

%OFN_EX_NOPLACESBAR       = &H00000001

' Return values for the registered message sent to the hook function '
when a sharing violation occurs.  %OFN_SHAREFALLTHROUGH allows the '
filename to be accepted, %OFN_SHARENOWARN rejects the name but puts ' up
no warning (returned when the app has already put up a warning '
message), and %OFN_SHAREWARN puts up the default warning message ' for
sharing violations. ' ' Note:  Undefined return values map to
OFN_SHAREWARN, but are
'        reserved for future use.

%OFN_SHAREFALLTHROUGH     = 2
%OFN_SHARENOWARN          = 1
%OFN_SHAREWARN            = 0

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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu May  1 07:13:17 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 08:13:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Which SQL engines support SHAPE?
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99E55400@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Gustav,

I believe Shape is an ADO object introduced in ADO 2.0.  Here's some info from help but it looks like it might work with any OLEDB compatible data source.

<help snip>
The Microsoft Data Shaping Service for OLE DB service provider supports the construction of hierarchical (shaped) Recordset objects from one or more data providers.

Provider Keyword

To invoke the Data Shaping Service for OLE DB, specify the following keyword and value in the connection string.

"Provider=MSDataShape"


</help snip>

HTH,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


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Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 4:48 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Which SQL engines support SHAPE?


Hi all

Is SHAPE (returning sub recordsets within a recordset) in SQL
proprietary of Microsoft SQL Server? 

Or do some other SQL engines support this too?

/gustav

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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Thu May  1 07:48:26 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 13:48:26 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Which SQL engines support SHAPE?
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99E55400@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <00c701c30fdf$f566bb20$9111758f@aine>

Gustav

Send you an article of list.

Martin

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From: "Jim DeMarco" <Jdemarco at hshhp.org>
To: "accessd" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 1:13 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Which SQL engines support SHAPE?


> Gustav,
>
> I believe Shape is an ADO object introduced in ADO 2.0.  Here's some info
from help but it looks like it might work with any OLEDB compatible data
source.
>
> <help snip>
> The Microsoft Data Shaping Service for OLE DB service provider supports
the construction of hierarchical (shaped) Recordset objects from one or more
data providers.
>
> Provider Keyword
>
> To invoke the Data Shaping Service for OLE DB, specify the following
keyword and value in the connection string.
>
> "Provider=MSDataShape"
>
>
> </help snip>
>
> HTH,
>
> Jim DeMarco
> Director of Product Development
> HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 4:48 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Which SQL engines support SHAPE?
>
>
> Hi all
>
> Is SHAPE (returning sub recordsets within a recordset) in SQL
> proprietary of Microsoft SQL Server?
>
> Or do some other SQL engines support this too?
>
> /gustav
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu May  1 08:05:43 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 15:05:43 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Which SQL engines support SHAPE?
In-Reply-To: <00c701c30fdf$f566bb20$9111758f@aine>
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99E55400@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
 <00c701c30fdf$f566bb20$9111758f@aine>
Message-ID: <18124726775.20030501150543@cactus.dk>

Hi Martin and Jim

Thanks!

To put it in other words, just to be sure:
Does this mean that SHAPE is "pseudo SQL" - a syntax of ADO, which
transforms the SHAPE sentence into normal SELECT queries which are
sent behind the scene to the engine via OLEDB? Thus any SQL engine
with an OLEDB driver can be used?

/gustav


> Send you an article of list.

> Martin

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim DeMarco" <Jdemarco at hshhp.org>
> To: "accessd" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 1:13 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Which SQL engines support SHAPE?


>> Gustav,
>>
>> I believe Shape is an ADO object introduced in ADO 2.0.  Here's some info
>> from help but it looks like it might work with any OLEDB compatible data
>> source.
>>
>> <help snip>

>> The Microsoft Data Shaping Service for OLE DB service provider supports
>> the construction of hierarchical (shaped) Recordset objects from one or more
>> data providers.
>>
>> Provider Keyword
>>
>> To invoke the Data Shaping Service for OLE DB, specify the following
>> keyword and value in the connection string.
>>
>> "Provider=MSDataShape"
>>
>> </help snip>
>>
>> HTH,
>>
>> Jim DeMarco
>> Director of Product Development
>> HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
>> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 4:48 AM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: [AccessD] Which SQL engines support SHAPE?
>>
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Is SHAPE (returning sub recordsets within a recordset) in SQL
>> proprietary of Microsoft SQL Server?
>>
>> Or do some other SQL engines support this too?


From markH at bitgen.co.uk  Thu May  1 08:59:29 2003
From: markH at bitgen.co.uk (MarkH)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 14:59:29 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections One More Simple
	Question
In-Reply-To: <000001c30fd2$26d8ff50$2c66893e@laptop>
Message-ID: <000001c30fe9$e3195270$eac287d9@laptop>

Hi again...

I got the dialog working fine, BUT... If I select more than a handful of
files then nothing gets returned.

Is there a limit?

In some cases I may be looking to select 50 or 60 files at a time...

Thanks again

Mark

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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu May  1 09:03:45 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 10:03:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Which SQL engines support SHAPE?
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B12@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

The help snippet I included would lead you to believe that (don't know what Martin sent you).  I couldn't say for certain though.

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 9:06 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Which SQL engines support SHAPE?


Hi Martin and Jim

Thanks!

To put it in other words, just to be sure:
Does this mean that SHAPE is "pseudo SQL" - a syntax of ADO, which
transforms the SHAPE sentence into normal SELECT queries which are
sent behind the scene to the engine via OLEDB? Thus any SQL engine
with an OLEDB driver can be used?

/gustav


> Send you an article of list.

> Martin

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim DeMarco" <Jdemarco at hshhp.org>
> To: "accessd" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 1:13 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Which SQL engines support SHAPE?


>> Gustav,
>>
>> I believe Shape is an ADO object introduced in ADO 2.0.  Here's some info
>> from help but it looks like it might work with any OLEDB compatible data
>> source.
>>
>> <help snip>

>> The Microsoft Data Shaping Service for OLE DB service provider supports
>> the construction of hierarchical (shaped) Recordset objects from one or more
>> data providers.
>>
>> Provider Keyword
>>
>> To invoke the Data Shaping Service for OLE DB, specify the following
>> keyword and value in the connection string.
>>
>> "Provider=MSDataShape"
>>
>> </help snip>
>>
>> HTH,
>>
>> Jim DeMarco
>> Director of Product Development
>> HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
>> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 4:48 AM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: [AccessD] Which SQL engines support SHAPE?
>>
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Is SHAPE (returning sub recordsets within a recordset) in SQL
>> proprietary of Microsoft SQL Server?
>>
>> Or do some other SQL engines support this too?

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From bbruen at bigpond.com  Thu May  1 09:22:09 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 00:22:09 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections One More
 SimpleQuestion
In-Reply-To: <000001c30fe9$e3195270$eac287d9@laptop>
Message-ID: <000a01c30fed$0d669bc0$be75fea9@bbb888>

The length of your lpstrFile buffer is probably the culprit.  You may
have some trouble trying to get it to return very large lists though.
Hth
Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MarkH
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 11:59 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections One More
SimpleQuestion


Hi again...

I got the dialog working fine, BUT... If I select more than a handful of
files then nothing gets returned.

Is there a limit?

In some cases I may be looking to select 50 or 60 files at a time...

Thanks again

Mark

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From bbruen at bigpond.com  Thu May  1 09:37:59 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 00:37:59 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] More on Intrusive Outlook Habits
Message-ID: <000801c30fef$4475d840$be75fea9@bbb888>

Just in case you thought it might be safe to...

This article brings yet more bad news on M$'s half baked outlook
security system.  The article addresses what they are doing with Outlook
2003:

http://www.winnetmag.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=38375&pg=1&show=74
1

So, all in all it looks like the Redemption or 3rd Party OCX's are
probably the most reasonable approach in terms of delivering
functionality to the user and some hope of longevity.

Bruce
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu May  1 10:05:03 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 08:05:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Which SQL engines support SHAPE?
In-Reply-To: <18124726775.20030501150543@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFGEGGCHAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Gustav:

Here is a MS explaination:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q189657&SD=MSKB

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 6:06 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Which SQL engines support SHAPE?


Hi Martin and Jim

Thanks!

To put it in other words, just to be sure:
Does this mean that SHAPE is "pseudo SQL" - a syntax of ADO, which
transforms the SHAPE sentence into normal SELECT queries which are
sent behind the scene to the engine via OLEDB? Thus any SQL engine
with an OLEDB driver can be used?

/gustav


> Send you an article of list.

> Martin

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim DeMarco" <Jdemarco at hshhp.org>
> To: "accessd" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 1:13 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Which SQL engines support SHAPE?


>> Gustav,
>>
>> I believe Shape is an ADO object introduced in ADO 2.0.  Here's some info
>> from help but it looks like it might work with any OLEDB compatible data
>> source.
>>
>> <help snip>

>> The Microsoft Data Shaping Service for OLE DB service provider supports
>> the construction of hierarchical (shaped) Recordset objects from one or
more
>> data providers.
>>
>> Provider Keyword
>>
>> To invoke the Data Shaping Service for OLE DB, specify the following
>> keyword and value in the connection string.
>>
>> "Provider=MSDataShape"
>>
>> </help snip>
>>
>> HTH,
>>
>> Jim DeMarco
>> Director of Product Development
>> HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
>> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 4:48 AM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: [AccessD] Which SQL engines support SHAPE?
>>
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Is SHAPE (returning sub recordsets within a recordset) in SQL
>> proprietary of Microsoft SQL Server?
>>
>> Or do some other SQL engines support this too?

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May  1 10:24:00 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 08:24:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Event Sink Performance Comparison
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C322@infoserver01.infostat.local>

OK you event sinking gurus--JC, Shamil, et al--do any of you have any
performance comparison information on using event sinks as opposed to
using direct calls to public methods of forms and subforms?  This is not
a framework, merely a single form with about 12 subforms, one of which
has a public method.  My instinct is that the differences would be
miniscule with subforms raising a single event to a parent form, which
then calls the public method of one of its subforms, as compared to each
of the other subforms making a direct call into  the subform with the
public method.  Will using this technique slow the form noticeably
because of the overhead of the event sinks?  Can anyone shed some light
on the actual differences?  This is Access 2002 converted from 97 and
using the 2002 file format for the front end and we're only talking
about execution speed, not maintainability or reusability issues.

Charlotte Foust

From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May  1 10:34:32 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 08:34:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Which SQL engines support SHAPE?
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311EE2@infoserver01.infostat.local>

It comes from ADO.  You can shape Access recordsets using it, so I
assume you can shape other flavors as well.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 12:48 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Which SQL engines support SHAPE?


Hi all

Is SHAPE (returning sub recordsets within a recordset) in SQL
proprietary of Microsoft SQL Server? 

Or do some other SQL engines support this too?

/gustav

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu May  1 10:35:32 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 08:35:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002
Message-ID: <010801c30ff7$4d44f750$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Dear List:

I'm running A2K.  If I make an MDE out of one of my MDBs and send it to someone running OXP with AXP, will it run?

MTIA

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May  1 10:45:52 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 08:45:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311EE3@infoserver01.infostat.local>

It should.  An A97 MDE will run under AXP, although you do get the
annoying conversion dialog.
 
Charlotte Foust 

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
[mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
	Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 7:36 AM
	To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002
	
	
	Dear List:
	 
	I'm running A2K.  If I make an MDE out of one of my MDBs and
send it to someone running OXP with AXP, will it run?
	 
	MTIA
	 
	Rocky Smolin
	Beach Access Software
	 

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From delliker at hotmail.com  Thu May  1 11:55:28 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 12:55:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002
Message-ID: <Law12-F53lym2aaHYqA00019a16@hotmail.com>

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu May  1 13:01:34 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 11:01:34 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002
References: <Law12-F53lym2aaHYqA00019a16@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <017801c3100b$b460bff0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

It's actually a D35 and it needs a bit of work.  Piece of white trim along the fretboard broke off.  Also want the action adjusted.  I was told I'd have to send it back to Martin for the best service.  You ever do that?

Rocky

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Don Elliker 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 9:55 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002


  Rocky,

  XP supports A2K file format.

  (How's the D28?)
  _D






  "Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." 
  >From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" 
  >Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  >To: 
  >Subject: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002 
  >Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 08:35:32 -0700 
  > 
  >Dear List: 
  > 
  >I'm running A2K. If I make an MDE out of one of my MDBs and send it to someone running OXP with AXP, will it run? 
  > 
  >MTIA 
  > 
  >Rocky Smolin 
  >Beach Access Software 
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From tswisher at GFNET.com  Thu May  1 13:10:58 2003
From: tswisher at GFNET.com (Swisher, Timothy B.)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 14:10:58 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Delete Table from report
Message-ID: <076FC7A51D07D411BC02009027A1B45103891224@SEESAR3.corporate.gannettfleming.com>


Hi group, I have a report that on open builds a temp table, populates the
table, then displays the info in the report.  I would like to delete the
table when the report closes, but since the report is bound to the table, it
will not let me delete the table.  This is a standalone report, it is not
being called from a form or anything so I can't put the code there.  I open
the report from the db window, do the processing, then I want to delete the
table.  A2K by the way.  Any ideas?  TIA.

Tim
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From jscott at mchsi.com  Thu May  1 13:23:36 2003
From: jscott at mchsi.com (jscott at mchsi.com)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 18:23:36 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Capturing shortcut clicked
Message-ID: <200305011823.h41INXg09897@databaseadvisors.com>

Does anyone know how to capture the name of the shortcut clicked to access 
the .mdb? I am writing a version control process for two systems and I want to 
be able to share the code between the two systems without having to make the 
user tell me which system they are accessing. I won't be able to go by the name 
of the current mdb because that mdb will be a shell version checker. So, the 
only way I can think of to tell which app I should be directing them to is to 
capture the name of the shortcut (which is programatically set - so I don't 
have the danger of misspellings, etc.)

Thanks!
Jeanine

From mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com  Thu May  1 14:27:45 2003
From: mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com (Mark Whittinghill)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 13:27:45 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Delete Table from report
References: <076FC7A51D07D411BC02009027A1B45103891224@SEESAR3.corporate.gannettfleming.com>
Message-ID: <001801c31017$be00edd0$0400000a@PASCAL>

Delete Table from reportI had done something like this OnClose in the past that worked, but I don't have that handy anymore.  Another option would be, rather than creating a table on open, you could append to your table, and delete all records on close.

Mark Whittinghill
Symphony Information Services
612-333-1311
mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Swisher, Timothy B. 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 12:10 PM
  Subject: [AccessD] Delete Table from report




  Hi group, I have a report that on open builds a temp table, populates the table, then displays the info in the report.  I would like to delete the table when the report closes, but since the report is bound to the table, it will not let me delete the table.  This is a standalone report, it is not being called from a form or anything so I can't put the code there.  I open the report from the db window, do the processing, then I want to delete the table.  A2K by the way.  Any ideas?  TIA.

  Tim 



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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Thu May  1 13:27:32 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 13:27:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Delete Table from report
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357A2@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Tim,
 
Instead of the temp table, why not use a query?  Probably everything you
did to get the data into the temp table can also be done to create a
select query to use as the datasource for the report.

Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 

-----Original Message-----
From: Swisher, Timothy B. [mailto:tswisher at GFNET.com] 
Sent: Thursday 2003 May 01 13:11
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Delete Table from report




Hi group, I have a report that on open builds a temp table, populates
the table, then displays the info in the report.  I would like to delete
the table when the report closes, but since the report is bound to the
table, it will not let me delete the table.  This is a standalone
report, it is not being called from a form or anything so I can't put
the code there.  I open the report from the db window, do the
processing, then I want to delete the table.  A2K by the way.  Any
ideas?  TIA.

Tim 

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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Thu May  1 13:32:06 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 13:32:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Capturing shortcut clicked
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357A3@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

The title of the shortcut with .lnk appended.  So "Shortcut to db1.mdb"
gives "Shortcut to db1.mdb.lnk" 

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: jscott at mchsi.com [mailto:jscott at mchsi.com] 
Sent: Thursday 2003 May 01 13:24
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Capturing shortcut clicked

Does anyone know how to capture the name of the shortcut clicked to
access 
the .mdb? I am writing a version control process for two systems and I
want to 
be able to share the code between the two systems without having to make
the 
user tell me which system they are accessing. I won't be able to go by
the name 
of the current mdb because that mdb will be a shell version checker. So,
the 
only way I can think of to tell which app I should be directing them to
is to 
capture the name of the shortcut (which is programatically set - so I
don't 
have the danger of misspellings, etc.)

Thanks!
Jeanine

From tswisher at GFNET.com  Thu May  1 13:36:54 2003
From: tswisher at GFNET.com (Swisher, Timothy B.)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 14:36:54 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Delete Table from report
Message-ID: <076FC7A51D07D411BC02009027A1B45103891226@SEESAR3.corporate.gannettfleming.com>

Actually it is a select statement, but that still has an open connection to
the table, so I can't delete the table.  I also tried to reset the
recordsource, but after the report opens, I can't change it.  Thanks.
 
Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 2:28 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Delete Table from report


Tim,
 
Instead of the temp table, why not use a query?  Probably everything you did
to get the data into the temp table can also be done to create a select
query to use as the datasource for the report.

Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 

-----Original Message-----
From: Swisher, Timothy B. [mailto:tswisher at GFNET.com] 
Sent: Thursday 2003 May 01 13:11
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Delete Table from report




Hi group, I have a report that on open builds a temp table, populates the
table, then displays the info in the report.  I would like to delete the
table when the report closes, but since the report is bound to the table, it
will not let me delete the table.  This is a standalone report, it is not
being called from a form or anything so I can't put the code there.  I open
the report from the db window, do the processing, then I want to delete the
table.  A2K by the way.  Any ideas?  TIA.

Tim 

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From tswisher at GFNET.com  Thu May  1 13:39:43 2003
From: tswisher at GFNET.com (Swisher, Timothy B.)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 14:39:43 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Delete Table from report
Message-ID: <076FC7A51D07D411BC02009027A1B45103891227@SEESAR3.corporate.gannettfleming.com>

Mark,  way to tease me with a solution then not provide one!  I was trying
to delete the table completely so as to only have a report.  We are going to
use this report in a bunch of our databases and I wanted it to be just a
single object.  Thanks.
 
Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Whittinghill [mailto:mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 3:28 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete Table from report


I had done something like this OnClose in the past that worked, but I don't
have that handy anymore.  Another option would be, rather than creating a
table on open, you could append to your table, and delete all records on
close.

Mark Whittinghill
Symphony Information Services
612-333-1311
mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com <mailto:mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com> 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Swisher,  <mailto:tswisher at gfnet.com> Timothy B. 
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>  
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 12:10 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Delete Table from report



Hi group, I have a report that on open builds a temp table, populates the
table, then displays the info in the report.  I would like to delete the
table when the report closes, but since the report is bound to the table, it
will not let me delete the table.  This is a standalone report, it is not
being called from a form or anything so I can't put the code there.  I open
the report from the db window, do the processing, then I want to delete the
table.  A2K by the way.  Any ideas?  TIA.

Tim 



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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Thu May  1 13:57:13 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 13:57:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Delete Table from report
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357A4@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Tim,

You miss the point, don't use a temp table unless absolutely needed.
Use queries instead to build up the data for the final select query that
is used at the datasource for the report.


Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
-----Original Message-----
From: Swisher, Timothy B. [mailto:tswisher at GFNET.com] 
Sent: Thursday 2003 May 01 13:37
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Delete Table from report

Actually it is a select statement, but that still has an open connection
to the table, so I can't delete the table.  I also tried to reset the
recordsource, but after the report opens, I can't change it.  Thanks.

Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 2:28 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Delete Table from report


Tim,

Instead of the temp table, why not use a query?  Probably everything you
did to get the data into the temp table can also be done to create a
select query to use as the datasource for the report.
Charles Wortz 
-----Original Message-----
From: Swisher, Timothy B. [mailto:tswisher at GFNET.com] 
Sent: Thursday 2003 May 01 13:11
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Delete Table from report




Hi group, I have a report that on open builds a temp table, populates
the table, then displays the info in the report.  I would like to delete
the table when the report closes, but since the report is bound to the
table, it will not let me delete the table.  This is a standalone
report, it is not being called from a form or anything so I can't put
the code there.  I open the report from the db window, do the
processing, then I want to delete the table.  A2K by the way.  Any
ideas?  TIA.
Tim 

From tswisher at GFNET.com  Thu May  1 14:12:57 2003
From: tswisher at GFNET.com (Swisher, Timothy B.)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 15:12:57 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Delete Table from report
Message-ID: <076FC7A51D07D411BC02009027A1B45103891228@SEESAR3.corporate.gannettfleming.com>

Charles,
Your missing the point.  The temp table is absolutely needed.  I am cycling
through the .AllForms and .AllReports collection grabbing certain data and
populating a temp table.  Unless you know of a way to query this info, the
temp table is absolutely needed.

Tim


-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 2:57 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Delete Table from report


Tim,

You miss the point, don't use a temp table unless absolutely needed.
Use queries instead to build up the data for the final select query that
is used at the datasource for the report.


Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
-----Original Message-----
From: Swisher, Timothy B. [mailto:tswisher at GFNET.com] 
Sent: Thursday 2003 May 01 13:37
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Delete Table from report

Actually it is a select statement, but that still has an open connection
to the table, so I can't delete the table.  I also tried to reset the
recordsource, but after the report opens, I can't change it.  Thanks.

Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 2:28 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Delete Table from report


Tim,

Instead of the temp table, why not use a query?  Probably everything you
did to get the data into the temp table can also be done to create a
select query to use as the datasource for the report.
Charles Wortz 
-----Original Message-----
From: Swisher, Timothy B. [mailto:tswisher at GFNET.com] 
Sent: Thursday 2003 May 01 13:11
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Delete Table from report




Hi group, I have a report that on open builds a temp table, populates
the table, then displays the info in the report.  I would like to delete
the table when the report closes, but since the report is bound to the
table, it will not let me delete the table.  This is a standalone
report, it is not being called from a form or anything so I can't put
the code there.  I open the report from the db window, do the
processing, then I want to delete the table.  A2K by the way.  Any
ideas?  TIA.
Tim 
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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Thu May  1 14:18:49 2003
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 23:18:49 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002
References: <010801c30ff7$4d44f750$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <005e01c31016$88408300$b501010a@DAISY.local>

<<<
will it run?
>>>
It will, but it may result in runtime errors, which doesn't exist when A2K
Add-in runs under A2K.
I'd recommend to compile add-in under AXP and in AXP format.

Shamil

----- Original Message -----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 7:35 PM
Subject: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002


Dear List:

I'm running A2K.  If I make an MDE out of one of my MDBs and send it to
someone running OXP with AXP, will it run?

MTIA

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software




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From mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com  Thu May  1 15:22:05 2003
From: mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com (Mark Whittinghill)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 14:22:05 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Delete Table from report
References: <076FC7A51D07D411BC02009027A1B45103891227@SEESAR3.corporate.gannettfleming.com>
Message-ID: <004001c3101f$5572bfc0$0400000a@PASCAL>

MessageYou know, now that I think about it, it was a query that I created and destroyed, not a table.  Maybe Access allows you to delete a query OnClose, but not a table.  Sorry to get your hopes up :-)



Mark Whittinghill
Symphony Information Services
612-333-1311
mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Swisher, Timothy B. 
  To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
  Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 12:39 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Delete Table from report


  Mark,  way to tease me with a solution then not provide one!  I was trying to delete the table completely so as to only have a report.  We are going to use this report in a bunch of our databases and I wanted it to be just a single object.  Thanks.

  Tim
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May  1 14:28:14 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 12:28:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - D35
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311EE5@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Rocky,
 
I have a friend who has sent guitars back to Martin as well as to
Mandolin Bros in NY.  It's a major undertaking to package, insure and
ship them, but if the guitar is worth it, it helps maintain the
provenance and the value to have Martin do the repairs.  There are
certainly luthiers around who can do the job just as well, but unless
you know their work you have no guarantee of that.  If it's a vintage
instrument, definitely send it to Martin.
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
[mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
	Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 10:02 AM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002
	
	
	It's actually a D35 and it needs a bit of work.  Piece of white
trim along the fretboard broke off.  Also want the action adjusted.  I
was told I'd have to send it back to Martin for the best service.  You
ever do that?
	 
	Rocky
	 

		----- Original Message ----- 
		From: Don Elliker <mailto:delliker at hotmail.com>  
		To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
		Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 9:55 AM
		Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002


		Rocky,

		XP supports A2K file format.

		(How's the D28?)
		_D
		




		"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay
for them." 
		
		>From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" 
		>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
		>To: 
		>Subject: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002 
		>Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 08:35:32 -0700 
		> 
		>Dear List: 
		> 
		>I'm running A2K. If I make an MDE out of one of my MDBs
and send it to someone running OXP with AXP, will it run? 
		> 
		>MTIA 
		> 
		>Rocky Smolin 
		>Beach Access Software 
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu May  1 14:41:07 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 12:41:07 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - D35
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311EE5@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <023a01c31019$9c0f96c0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

MessageCharlotte:

Thanks for that.  It's got a hard shell case so it could probably be shipped that way.  It's not genuinely vintage - maybe 30 y.o. - but I'm attached to it.

Rocky

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Charlotte Foust 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 12:28 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - D35


  Rocky,

  I have a friend who has sent guitars back to Martin as well as to Mandolin Bros in NY.  It's a major undertaking to package, insure and ship them, but if the guitar is worth it, it helps maintain the provenance and the value to have Martin do the repairs.  There are certainly luthiers around who can do the job just as well, but unless you know their work you have no guarantee of that.  If it's a vintage instrument, definitely send it to Martin.

  Charlotte Foust
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
    Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 10:02 AM
    To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002


    It's actually a D35 and it needs a bit of work.  Piece of white trim along the fretboard broke off.  Also want the action adjusted.  I was told I'd have to send it back to Martin for the best service.  You ever do that?

    Rocky

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Don Elliker 
      To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
      Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 9:55 AM
      Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002


      Rocky,

      XP supports A2K file format.

      (How's the D28?)
      _D






      "Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." 
      >From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" 
      >Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
      >To: 
      >Subject: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002 
      >Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 08:35:32 -0700 
      > 
      >Dear List: 
      > 
      >I'm running A2K. If I make an MDE out of one of my MDBs and send it to someone running OXP with AXP, will it run? 
      > 
      >MTIA 
      > 
      >Rocky Smolin 
      >Beach Access Software 
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu May  1 14:42:14 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 12:42:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002
References: <010801c30ff7$4d44f750$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
	<005e01c31016$88408300$b501010a@DAISY.local>
Message-ID: <024401c31019$c3f55d50$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

It doesn't use any add-ins (that I know of) and its got full error trapping
per Colby.  Am I in the clear?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002


> <<<
> will it run?
> >>>
> It will, but it may result in runtime errors, which doesn't exist when A2K
> Add-in runs under A2K.
> I'd recommend to compile add-in under AXP and in AXP format.
>
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 7:35 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> I'm running A2K.  If I make an MDE out of one of my MDBs and send it to
> someone running OXP with AXP, will it run?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
>
>
>
>
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From delliker at hotmail.com  Thu May  1 14:48:15 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 15:48:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002
Message-ID: <Law12-F45qo4kPlpvzg0001a98d@hotmail.com>

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From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 15:50:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Delete Table from report
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From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 15:52:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Delete Table from report
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From CSPELL at jhuccp.org  Thu May  1 15:02:34 2003
From: CSPELL at jhuccp.org (CYNTHIA SPELL)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 16:02:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Hiding SSN
Message-ID: <seb1452a.080@ccp2.jhuccp.org>

Is there a way that you can COMPLETELY hide an SSN field from users - keep them out of the database window, don't let them see the table, etc?   

Thanks for your help.
Cindy





From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Thu May  1 15:22:56 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 15:22:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Hiding SSN
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F877E8@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Cindy,

With user level security you can hide or restrict any fields from all or
some of the users.  See the Access Security FAQ
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=%2Fsupport%2Faccess%2Fcon
tent%2Fsecfaq%2Easp (watch for line wrap) for details.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: CYNTHIA SPELL [mailto:CSPELL at jhuccp.org] 
Sent: Thursday 2003 May 01 15:03
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Hiding SSN

Is there a way that you can COMPLETELY hide an SSN field from users -
keep them out of the database window, don't let them see the table, etc?


Thanks for your help.
Cindy

From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May  1 16:27:22 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 14:27:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - D35
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311EE6@infoserver01.infostat.local>

You can get explicit shipping instructions from Martin.  They'll tell
you how to box it up, case and all, so it gets to them in one piece ...
assuming it started out that way, that is. <g>  Just don't forget that
if it's an original case, that has value too and increases of the value
of the guitar, so you may NOT want to send it with the guitar.  If find
the whole acoustic instrument market bizarre, but my significant other
if a Martin guitar freak, so I hear all about it from him. 
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
[mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
	Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 11:41 AM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - D35
	
	
	Charlotte:
	 
	Thanks for that.  It's got a hard shell case so it could
probably be shipped that way.  It's not genuinely vintage - maybe 30
y.o. - but I'm attached to it.
	 
	Rocky
	 

		----- Original Message ----- 
		From: Charlotte Foust
<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com>  
		To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
		Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 12:28 PM
		Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - D35

		Rocky,
		 
		I have a friend who has sent guitars back to Martin as
well as to Mandolin Bros in NY.  It's a major undertaking to package,
insure and ship them, but if the guitar is worth it, it helps maintain
the provenance and the value to have Martin do the repairs.  There are
certainly luthiers around who can do the job just as well, but unless
you know their work you have no guarantee of that.  If it's a vintage
instrument, definitely send it to Martin.
		 
		Charlotte Foust

			-----Original Message-----
			From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
[mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
			Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 10:02 AM
			To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
			Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002
			
			
			It's actually a D35 and it needs a bit of work.
Piece of white trim along the fretboard broke off.  Also want the action
adjusted.  I was told I'd have to send it back to Martin for the best
service.  You ever do that?
			 
			Rocky
			 

				----- Original Message ----- 
				From: Don Elliker
<mailto:delliker at hotmail.com>  
				To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
				Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 9:55 AM
				Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002


				Rocky,

				XP supports A2K file format.

				(How's the D28?)
				_D
				




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				>To: 
				>Subject: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002 
				>Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 08:35:32 -0700 
				> 
				>Dear List: 
				> 
				>I'm running A2K. If I make an MDE out
of one of my MDBs and send it to someone running OXP with AXP, will it
run? 
				> 
				>MTIA 
				> 
				>Rocky Smolin 
				>Beach Access Software 
	
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From jim.hale at fleetpride.com  Thu May  1 16:26:35 2003
From: jim.hale at fleetpride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 16:26:35 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Hiding SSN
Message-ID: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF87305D5E19B@corp-es00>

I believe I've seen some simple encryption functions (maybe in SmartAccess?)
that can be used to scramble the numbers. that is one way to do it unless
(gasp!) you are using the SS# as the primary key.
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: CYNTHIA SPELL [mailto:CSPELL at jhuccp.org]
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 3:03 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Hiding SSN


Is there a way that you can COMPLETELY hide an SSN field from users - keep
them out of the database window, don't let them see the table, etc?   

Thanks for your help.
Cindy




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From dmcafee at pacbell.net  Thu May  1 16:39:24 2003
From: dmcafee at pacbell.net (David McAFee (Home))
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 14:39:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Hiding SSN
In-Reply-To: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF87305D5E19B@corp-es00>
Message-ID: <KDEHKEMIOHGKCDHLPPLKKEHBCMAA.dmcafee@pacbell.net>

RE: [AccessD] Hiding SSNCynthia, the best way is to not let them in the
tables in the first place. ANything that they need should be entered/viewed
through a form.

What is it that they are doing, or that you don't want them to see. A query
ran against the table could show only the fields that you want to show (make
it a snap shot query if no changes are to be made to the data)

HTH

David McAfee

  -----Original Message-----
  From: CYNTHIA SPELL [mailto:CSPELL at jhuccp.org]
  Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 3:03 PM
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: [AccessD] Hiding SSN



  Is there a way that you can COMPLETELY hide an SSN field from users - keep
them out of the database window, don't let them see the table, etc?

  Thanks for your help.
  Cindy





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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu May  1 17:25:21 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 23:25:21 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour
In-Reply-To: <Law12-F45qo4kPlpvzg0001a98d@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <009701c31030$8d9172a0$b274d0d5@andypc>

1. I can only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow
is not looking good either. 
2. I love deadlines. I especially like the whooshing sound they make as
they go flying by. 
3. Tell me what you need, and I'll tell you how to get along without it.

4. Accept that some days you are the pigeon and some days the statue. 
5. Needing someone is like needing a parachute. If he isn't there the
first time, chances are you won't be needing him again. 
6. I DON'T HAVE AN ATTITUDE PROBLEM, YOU HAVE A PERCEPTION PROBLEM. 
7. Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky, and I
thought to myself, "where the heck is the ceiling?" 
8. My reality check bounced. 
9. On the keyboard of life, always keep one finger on the escape key. 
10. I don't suffer from stress. I am a carrier. 
11. You are slower than a herd of turtles stampeding through peanut
butter. 
12. Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, because you are crunchy and
taste good with ketchup. 
13. Everybody is somebody else's weirdo. 
14. Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level, then
beat you with experience. 
15. A pat on the back is only a few inches from a kick in the butt. 
16. Don't be irreplaceable. If you can't be replaced, you can't be
promoted. 
17. After any salary raise, you will have less money at the end of the
month than you did before. 
18. The more crap you put up with, the more crap you are going to get. 
19. You can go anywhere you want if you look serious and carry a
clipboard. 
20. Eat one live toad the first thing in the morning and nothing worse
will happen to you the rest of the day. 
21. If it wasn't for the last minute, nothing would get done. 
22. When you don't know what to do, walk fast and look worried. 
23. Following the rules will not get the job done. 
24. When confronted by a difficult problem, you can solve it more easily
by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?"

25. Only the mediocre are at their best all the time. 
26. There's a fine line between genius and insanity. I have erased this
line. 
27. Bring ideas in and entertain them royally, for one of them may be
the king. 
28. If at first you don't succeed......skydiving isn't for you. 
29. Life is a waste of time; time is a waste of life, so get wasted all
of the time and have the time of your life. 
30. When everything is coming your way......you're in the wrong lane.

Andy Lacey
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu May  1 17:37:18 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 08:37:18 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] More on Intrusive Outlook Habits
In-Reply-To: <000801c30fef$4475d840$be75fea9@bbb888>
Message-ID: <3EB22E3E.23015.245D16@localhost>

On 2 May 2003 at 0:37, Bruce Bruen wrote:

> Just in case you thought it might be safe to...
> 
> This article brings yet more bad news on M$'s half baked outlook
> security system.  The article addresses what they are doing with
> Outlook 2003:
> 
> http://www.winnetmag.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=38375&pg=1&show=
> 74 1
> 
> So, all in all it looks like the Redemption or 3rd Party OCX's are
> probably the most reasonable approach in terms of delivering
> functionality to the user and some hope of longevity.
> 

The only way to deliver functionality to the user and some hopes of 
longevity is to upgrade to a non MS MAPI compliant mail system :-)









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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu May  1 17:37:18 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 08:37:18 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections One More Simple
	Question
In-Reply-To: <000001c30fe9$e3195270$eac287d9@laptop>
References: <000001c30fd2$26d8ff50$2c66893e@laptop>
Message-ID: <3EB22E3E.16527.245D52@localhost>


In  the example I gave, was  " OpenFile.lpstrFile = String(257, 0)"
That is large enough for a single file, you will need to enlarge it 
for multiple files.

On 1 May 2003 at 14:59, MarkH wrote:

> Hi again...
> 
> I got the dialog working fine, BUT... If I select more than a handful
> of files then nothing gets returned.
> 
> Is there a limit?
> 
> In some cases I may be looking to select 50 or 60 files at a time...
> 
> Thanks again
> 
> Mark
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu May  1 21:36:00 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 21:36:00 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Phew....made it....
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D829E6@main2.marlow.com>

Well it's now been a solid week and 13 hours since my DSL went online, and
thus the archives were back up.  That's more then the 4 day, 2 day, and 36
hour periods combined! <grin>

Although, now that the archives are back up, the posting around here has
slowed to a crawl, what's up with that?  Do I need to get into a debate with
JC or what?

A little advanced warning, I am going to try and hack my SpeedStream 5260
DSL modem, to turn it into a SpeedStream 5660 Router this weekend.  Downtime
will be in the seconds, but if it completely flops, then I'll need a new DSL
modem....so it may be down for a day or two..... <grin>

Drew

From Lambert.Heenan at aig.com  Thu May  1 14:44:14 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at aig.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 15:44:14 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Delete Table from report
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF403897779@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Just a thought...

In your report's OnClose event could you call an external routine that looks
something like this pseudo code...

Sub DeleteTempTable
Dim sName as String
	On Error Resume Next
	' wait until the report closes
	While Err.Number = 0
		sName = Reports("YourReportName").Name
	Wend
	' then delete your temp table
End Sub

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Swisher, Timothy B. [SMTP:tswisher at gfnet.com]
> Sent:	Thursday, May 01, 2003 3:13 PM
> To:	'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Delete Table from report
> 
> Charles,
> Your missing the point.  The temp table is absolutely needed.  I am
> cycling
> through the .AllForms and .AllReports collection grabbing certain data and
> populating a temp table.  Unless you know of a way to query this info, the
> temp table is absolutely needed.
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 2:57 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Delete Table from report
> 
> 
> Tim,
> 
> You miss the point, don't use a temp table unless absolutely needed.
> Use queries instead to build up the data for the final select query that
> is used at the datasource for the report.
> 
> 
> Charles Wortz 
> Software Development Division 
> Texas Education Agency 
> 1701 N. Congress Ave 
> Austin, TX 78701-1494 
> 512-463-9493 
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Swisher, Timothy B. [mailto:tswisher at GFNET.com] 
> Sent: Thursday 2003 May 01 13:37
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Delete Table from report
> 
> Actually it is a select statement, but that still has an open connection
> to the table, so I can't delete the table.  I also tried to reset the
> recordsource, but after the report opens, I can't change it.  Thanks.
> 
> Tim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 2:28 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Delete Table from report
> 
> 
> Tim,
> 
> Instead of the temp table, why not use a query?  Probably everything you
> did to get the data into the temp table can also be done to create a
> select query to use as the datasource for the report.
> Charles Wortz 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Swisher, Timothy B. [mailto:tswisher at GFNET.com] 
> Sent: Thursday 2003 May 01 13:11
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Delete Table from report
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi group, I have a report that on open builds a temp table, populates
> the table, then displays the info in the report.  I would like to delete
> the table when the report closes, but since the report is bound to the
> table, it will not let me delete the table.  This is a standalone
> report, it is not being called from a form or anything so I can't put
> the code there.  I open the report from the db window, do the
> processing, then I want to delete the table.  A2K by the way.  Any
> ideas?  TIA.
> Tim 
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri May  2 01:38:21 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 07:38:21 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Phew....made it....
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D829E6@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <00a901c31075$6c992620$b274d0d5@andypc>

Boy, do you like a challenge!

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: 02 May 2003 03:36
> To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: [AccessD] Phew....made it....
> 
> 
> Well it's now been a solid week and 13 hours since my DSL 
> went online, and thus the archives were back up.  That's more 
> then the 4 day, 2 day, and 36 hour periods combined! <grin>
> 
> Although, now that the archives are back up, the posting 
> around here has slowed to a crawl, what's up with that?  Do I 
> need to get into a debate with JC or what?
> 
> A little advanced warning, I am going to try and hack my 
> SpeedStream 5260 DSL modem, to turn it into a SpeedStream 
> 5660 Router this weekend.  Downtime will be in the seconds, 
> but if it completely flops, then I'll need a new DSL 
> modem....so it may be down for a day or two..... <grin>
> 
> Drew
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> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Fri May  2 01:51:16 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 02:51:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Phew....made it....
References: <00a901c31075$6c992620$b274d0d5@andypc>
Message-ID: <003901c31077$3ac668e0$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

...nah ...natural born masochist :))))

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 2:38 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Phew....made it....


> Boy, do you like a challenge!
> 
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> > Sent: 02 May 2003 03:36
> > To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: [AccessD] Phew....made it....
> > 
> > 
> > Well it's now been a solid week and 13 hours since my DSL 
> > went online, and thus the archives were back up.  That's more 
> > then the 4 day, 2 day, and 36 hour periods combined! <grin>
> > 
> > Although, now that the archives are back up, the posting 
> > around here has slowed to a crawl, what's up with that?  Do I 
> > need to get into a debate with JC or what?
> > 
> > A little advanced warning, I am going to try and hack my 
> > SpeedStream 5260 DSL modem, to turn it into a SpeedStream 
> > 5660 Router this weekend.  Downtime will be in the seconds, 
> > but if it completely flops, then I'll need a new DSL 
> > modem....so it may be down for a day or two..... <grin>
> > 
> > Drew
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> > Website: 
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> 
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From martin.caro at bigpond.com  Fri May  2 02:37:36 2003
From: martin.caro at bigpond.com (Martin Caro)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 17:37:36 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Similar List for Excel
Message-ID: <003c01c3107d$b92df8a0$0100a8c0@mirridong>

Hi Folks

Does anyone have any details of a similar list to AccessD that is operating for Excel?

Martin
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From conny at qad.nu  Fri May  2 02:53:15 2003
From: conny at qad.nu (Conny Johansson)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 09:53:15 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Similar List for Excel
In-Reply-To: <003c01c3107d$b92df8a0$0100a8c0@mirridong>
Message-ID: <200305020753.h427rKD05277@d1o1009.telia.com>

 <http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/excel-l.html>
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/excel-l.html

H?lsningar / Regards 
Conny Johansson 

 


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Sent: den 2 maj 2003 09:38
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com


Hi Folks
 
Does anyone have any details of a similar list to AccessD that is operating
for Excel?
 
Martin


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  2 03:13:13 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 03:13:13 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Phew....made it....
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D829EC@main2.marlow.com>

Probably a little of both.  Ironically, tonight the primary hard drive on my
print server died.  Kinda sucks, because it's the machine that is physically
archiving posts.  Gonna have fun rebuilding it! <grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 1:51 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Phew....made it....


...nah ...natural born masochist :))))

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 2:38 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Phew....made it....


> Boy, do you like a challenge!
> 
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> > Sent: 02 May 2003 03:36
> > To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: [AccessD] Phew....made it....
> > 
> > 
> > Well it's now been a solid week and 13 hours since my DSL 
> > went online, and thus the archives were back up.  That's more 
> > then the 4 day, 2 day, and 36 hour periods combined! <grin>
> > 
> > Although, now that the archives are back up, the posting 
> > around here has slowed to a crawl, what's up with that?  Do I 
> > need to get into a debate with JC or what?
> > 
> > A little advanced warning, I am going to try and hack my 
> > SpeedStream 5260 DSL modem, to turn it into a SpeedStream 
> > 5660 Router this weekend.  Downtime will be in the seconds, 
> > but if it completely flops, then I'll need a new DSL 
> > modem....so it may be down for a day or two..... <grin>
> > 
> > Drew
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> > Website: 
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> 
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From ad_tp at hotmail.com  Fri May  2 02:39:24 2003
From: ad_tp at hotmail.com (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 13:09:24 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections One More
	SimpleQuestion
References: <000001c30fd2$26d8ff50$2c66893e@laptop>
	<3EB22E3E.16527.245D52@localhost>
Message-ID: <Law9-OE56Y1SWoBDyse0000aed6@hotmail.com>

Mark,

In Access 2002, you can also try FileDialog Object. The code given below will display a dialog box for File Selection. Based upon user's choice, the variable TargetFile will give Full Path of each Selected File.

-------------
Code Start
-------------
Dim fdg as Object, TargetFile As String
Dim SLF As Variant

Set fdg = Application.FileDialog(3)
' Arguments -   1(FileOpen), 2(FileSaveAs), 3(FilePicker), 4(FolderPicker)

With fdg
    .Title = Space(71) & "Select  Source  Files"
    .AllowMultiSelect = True
    If .Show <> 0 Then
        For Each SLF In .selecteditems
            TargetFile = Trim(SLF)
' Note - Take Suitable Action Here On TargetFile
        Next
    End If       ' Show
End With     ' fdg
-------------
Code End
-------------

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
----------------------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Stuart McLachlan 
  To: MarkH ; accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 04:07
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections One More SimpleQuestion



  In  the example I gave, was  " OpenFile.lpstrFile = String(257, 0)"
  That is large enough for a single file, you will need to enlarge it 
  for multiple files.

  On 1 May 2003 at 14:59, MarkH wrote:

  > Hi again...
  > 
  > I got the dialog working fine, BUT... If I select more than a handful
  > of files then nothing gets returned.
  > 
  > Is there a limit?
  > 
  > In some cases I may be looking to select 50 or 60 files at a time...
  > 
  > Thanks again
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Fri May  2 05:06:43 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 06:06:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections One
	MoreSimpleQuestion
References: 	<000001c30fd2$26d8ff50$2c66893e@laptop><3EB22E3E.16527.245D52@localhost>
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...just keep in mind that the File Dialog Object doesn't work in a runtime
app :(

William

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To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 3:39 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections One
MoreSimpleQuestion


Mark,

In Access 2002, you can also try FileDialog Object. The code given below
will display a dialog box for File Selection. Based upon user's choice, the
variable TargetFile will give Full Path of each Selected File.

-------------
Code Start
-------------
Dim fdg as Object, TargetFile As String
Dim SLF As Variant

Set fdg = Application.FileDialog(3)
' Arguments -   1(FileOpen), 2(FileSaveAs), 3(FilePicker), 4(FolderPicker)

With fdg
    .Title = Space(71) & "Select  Source  Files"
    .AllowMultiSelect = True
    If .Show <> 0 Then
        For Each SLF In .selecteditems
            TargetFile = Trim(SLF)
' Note - Take Suitable Action Here On TargetFile
        Next
    End If       ' Show
End With     ' fdg
-------------
Code End
-------------

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
----------------------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Stuart McLachlan
  To: MarkH ; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 04:07
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections One More
SimpleQuestion



  In  the example I gave, was  " OpenFile.lpstrFile = String(257, 0)"
  That is large enough for a single file, you will need to enlarge it
  for multiple files.

  On 1 May 2003 at 14:59, MarkH wrote:

  > Hi again...
  >
  > I got the dialog working fine, BUT... If I select more than a handful
  > of files then nothing gets returned.
  >
  > Is there a limit?
  >
  > In some cases I may be looking to select 50 or 60 files at a time...
  >
  > Thanks again
  >
  > Mark




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From ryan.smethurst at bromley.gov.uk  Fri May  2 05:15:48 2003
From: ryan.smethurst at bromley.gov.uk (Smethurst, Ryan)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 11:15:48 +0100 
Subject: [AccessD] Compact DB
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Hi Group,

Is it possible to compact a db in code when quitting it?

Thanks
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From MarkH at bitgen.co.uk  Fri May  2 05:17:06 2003
From: MarkH at bitgen.co.uk (Mark H)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 11:17:06 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections
	OneMoreSimpleQuestion
In-Reply-To: <002d01c31092$8899b430$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>
Message-ID: <007601c31093$fbb66f20$950d6bd5@netboxxp>

Thanks for that... Hadn't realised. What does???

Cheers

Mark

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: 02 May 2003 11:07
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections
OneMoreSimpleQuestion


...just keep in mind that the File Dialog Object doesn't work in a
runtime app :(

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "A.D.Tejpal" <ad_tp at hotmail.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 3:39 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections One
MoreSimpleQuestion


Mark,

In Access 2002, you can also try FileDialog Object. The code given below
will display a dialog box for File Selection. Based upon user's choice,
the variable TargetFile will give Full Path of each Selected File.

-------------
Code Start
-------------
Dim fdg as Object, TargetFile As String
Dim SLF As Variant

Set fdg = Application.FileDialog(3)
' Arguments -   1(FileOpen), 2(FileSaveAs), 3(FilePicker),
4(FolderPicker)

With fdg
    .Title = Space(71) & "Select  Source  Files"
    .AllowMultiSelect = True
    If .Show <> 0 Then
        For Each SLF In .selecteditems
            TargetFile = Trim(SLF)
' Note - Take Suitable Action Here On TargetFile
        Next
    End If       ' Show
End With     ' fdg
-------------
Code End
-------------

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
----------------------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Stuart McLachlan
  To: MarkH ; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 04:07
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections One More
SimpleQuestion



  In  the example I gave, was  " OpenFile.lpstrFile = String(257, 0)"
  That is large enough for a single file, you will need to enlarge it
  for multiple files.

  On 1 May 2003 at 14:59, MarkH wrote:

  > Hi again...
  >
  > I got the dialog working fine, BUT... If I select more than a
handful
  > of files then nothing gets returned.
  >
  > Is there a limit?
  >
  > In some cases I may be looking to select 50 or 60 files at a time...
  >
  > Thanks again
  >
  > Mark




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From MarkH at bitgen.co.uk  Fri May  2 05:17:45 2003
From: MarkH at bitgen.co.uk (Mark H)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 11:17:45 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections One
	MoreSimpleQuestion
In-Reply-To: <Law9-OE56Y1SWoBDyse0000aed6@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <007701c31094$12b9b330$950d6bd5@netboxxp>

Thanks very much
 
Mark

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.Tejpal
Sent: 02 May 2003 08:39
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections One
MoreSimpleQuestion


Mark,
 
In Access 2002, you can also try FileDialog Object. The code given below
will display a dialog box for File Selection. Based upon user's choice,
the variable TargetFile will give Full Path of each Selected File. 
 
-------------
Code Start
-------------
Dim fdg as Object, TargetFile As String
Dim SLF As Variant
 
Set fdg = Application.FileDialog(3)
' Arguments -   1(FileOpen), 2(FileSaveAs), 3(FilePicker),
4(FolderPicker)
 
With fdg
    .Title = Space(71) & "Select  Source  Files"
    .AllowMultiSelect = True
    If .Show <> 0 Then
        For Each SLF In .selecteditems
            TargetFile = Trim(SLF)
' Note - Take Suitable Action Here On TargetFile
        Next
    End If       ' Show
End With     ' fdg
-------------
Code End
-------------
 
Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
----------------------------

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To: HYPERLINK "mailto:markH at bitgen.co.uk"MarkH ; HYPERLINK
"mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com"accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 04:07
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections One More
SimpleQuestion


In  the example I gave, was  " OpenFile.lpstrFile = String(257, 0)"
That is large enough for a single file, you will need to enlarge it 
for multiple files.

On 1 May 2003 at 14:59, MarkH wrote:

> Hi again...
> 
> I got the dialog working fine, BUT... If I select more than a handful
> of files then nothing gets returned.
> 
> Is there a limit?
> 
> In some cases I may be looking to select 50 or 60 files at a time...
> 
> Thanks again
> 
> Mark



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From MarkH at bitgen.co.uk  Fri May  2 05:18:35 2003
From: MarkH at bitgen.co.uk (Mark H)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 11:18:35 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections One More
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Thanks Stuart

Mark

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Sent: 01 May 2003 23:37
To: MarkH; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections One More
SimpleQuestion



In  the example I gave, was  " OpenFile.lpstrFile = String(257, 0)" That
is large enough for a single file, you will need to enlarge it 
for multiple files.

On 1 May 2003 at 14:59, MarkH wrote:

> Hi again...
> 
> I got the dialog working fine, BUT... If I select more than a handful 
> of files then nothing gets returned.
> 
> Is there a limit?
> 
> In some cases I may be looking to select 50 or 60 files at a time...
> 
> Thanks again
> 
> Mark
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From MarkH at bitgen.co.uk  Fri May  2 05:18:58 2003
From: MarkH at bitgen.co.uk (Mark H)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 11:18:58 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections One More
	SimpleQuestion
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Cheers Bruce

Mark

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
Sent: 01 May 2003 15:22
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections One More
SimpleQuestion


The length of your lpstrFile buffer is probably the culprit.  You may
have some trouble trying to get it to return very large lists though.
Hth Bruce

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To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections One More
SimpleQuestion


Hi again...

I got the dialog working fine, BUT... If I select more than a handful of
files then nothing gets returned.

Is there a limit?

In some cases I may be looking to select 50 or 60 files at a time...

Thanks again

Mark

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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Fri May  2 05:28:30 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 10:28:30 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Compact DB
Message-ID: <20030502102830.REST18836.fep01-svc.ttys.com@localhost>

Ryan,

Not too sure if the following will work, I have a timer program in VB6 I run every night, and here's some basic code I use to copy the database and then compact it...

    Dim MyDate As String
    MyDate = Left(Date, 2) & "_" & Mid(Date, 4, 2) & "_" & Right(Date, 2)
    FileCopy "Dir:\File Name", "Dir:\Backup File Name" & MyDate & ".mdb"

    DBEngine.CompactDatabase "Dir:\Backup Filename" & MyDate & ".mdb", "Dir:\Compacting Name"
    Kill "Dir:\File Name"
    Name "Dir:\Compacting Name" As "Dir:\File Name"


Firstly the code makes a copy of the database along with the date, then it compacts the backup of the database, then kills the original database and renames the compacted DB to whatever the original name was......I compact the backup just in case anything goes wrong, you always have the original database then......

It's from VB6, but I'm sure all these commands work in Access.....


Paul 




From: "Smethurst, Ryan" <ryan.smethurst at bromley.gov.uk>
Date: Fri 02/May/2003 10:15 GMT
To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Compact DB

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Hi Group,

Is it possible to compact a db in code when quitting it?

Thanks
RyanS

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From selina at easydatabases.com.au  Fri May  2 05:33:31 2003
From: selina at easydatabases.com.au (Selina Iddon)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 20:33:31 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Compact DB
References: <F4FD32CEB33B314B9187B3A6599B3D6E891C81@lbbx2ktemp1.corp.int.bromley.gov.uk>
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Compact DBHi Ryan
I'm not sure if you want to compact a different database, but if you want to compact the actual database you are using, there is an Option under the tools menu to compact on closing.
HTH
Selina

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri May  2 05:56:30 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 03:56:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Phew....made it....
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Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFOEHDCHAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

...and the saga continues

Good luck Drew
Jim

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Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 1:13 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Phew....made it....


Probably a little of both.  Ironically, tonight the primary hard drive on my
print server died.  Kinda sucks, because it's the machine that is physically
archiving posts.  Gonna have fun rebuilding it! <grin>

Drew

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Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 1:51 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Phew....made it....


...nah ...natural born masochist :))))

William

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Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 2:38 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Phew....made it....


> Boy, do you like a challenge!
>
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> > Sent: 02 May 2003 03:36
> > To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: [AccessD] Phew....made it....
> >
> >
> > Well it's now been a solid week and 13 hours since my DSL
> > went online, and thus the archives were back up.  That's more
> > then the 4 day, 2 day, and 36 hour periods combined! <grin>
> >
> > Although, now that the archives are back up, the posting
> > around here has slowed to a crawl, what's up with that?  Do I
> > need to get into a debate with JC or what?
> >
> > A little advanced warning, I am going to try and hack my
> > SpeedStream 5260 DSL modem, to turn it into a SpeedStream
> > 5660 Router this weekend.  Downtime will be in the seconds,
> > but if it completely flops, then I'll need a new DSL
> > modem....so it may be down for a day or two..... <grin>
> >
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri May  2 06:43:11 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 21:43:11 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections
	OneMoreSimpleQuestion
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The API call. See related posts.

On 2 May 2003 at 11:17, Mark H wrote:

> Thanks for that... Hadn't realised. What does???
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Mark
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> Hindman Sent: 02 May 2003 11:07 To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections
> OneMoreSimpleQuestion
> 
> 
> ...just keep in mind that the File Dialog Object doesn't work in a
> runtime app :(
> 
> William
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "A.D.Tejpal" <ad_tp at hotmail.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 3:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections One
> MoreSimpleQuestion
> 
> 
> Mark,
> 
> In Access 2002, you can also try FileDialog Object. The code given
> below will display a dialog box for File Selection. Based upon user's
> choice, the variable TargetFile will give Full Path of each Selected
> File.
> 
> -------------
> Code Start
> -------------
> Dim fdg as Object, TargetFile As String
> Dim SLF As Variant
> 
> Set fdg = Application.FileDialog(3)
> ' Arguments -   1(FileOpen), 2(FileSaveAs), 3(FilePicker),
> 4(FolderPicker)
> 
> With fdg
>     .Title = Space(71) & "Select  Source  Files"
>     .AllowMultiSelect = True
>     If .Show <> 0 Then
>         For Each SLF In .selecteditems
>             TargetFile = Trim(SLF)
> ' Note - Take Suitable Action Here On TargetFile
>         Next
>     End If       ' Show
> End With     ' fdg
> -------------
> Code End
> -------------
> 
> Regards,
> A.D.Tejpal
> ----------------------------
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Stuart McLachlan
>   To: MarkH ; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>   Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 04:07
>   Subject: RE: [AccessD] Open File Dialog - multiple selections One
>   More
> SimpleQuestion
> 
> 
> 
>   In  the example I gave, was  " OpenFile.lpstrFile = String(257, 0)"
>   That is large enough for a single file, you will need to enlarge it
>   for multiple files.
> 
>   On 1 May 2003 at 14:59, MarkH wrote:
> 
>   > Hi again...
>   >
>   > I got the dialog working fine, BUT... If I select more than a
> handful
>   > of files then nothing gets returned.
>   >
>   > Is there a limit?
>   >
>   > In some cases I may be looking to select 50 or 60 files at a
>   time... > > Thanks again > > Mark
> 
> 
> 
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From CSPELL at jhuccp.org  Fri May  2 07:05:33 2003
From: CSPELL at jhuccp.org (CYNTHIA SPELL)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 08:05:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Hiding SSN
Message-ID: <seb226d9.064@ccp2.jhuccp.org>

Thanks to those who responded to me...

Charles, I couldn't get into the website on Access security.  I guess what I need to know is - will that type of security prevent users from seeing the tables (using the shift key, F11?)  

Jim, I inherited the database and yes it's (gasp!) the primary key, so encryption won't work.  I'm thinking about biting the bullet and changing the PK to an autonumber.  Any thoughts on that?

David, I'm not letting users into the tables, only forms.  And hidden tables don't really seem to be hidden. 

Thanks again.

Cindy


>>> jim.hale at fleetpride.com 05/01/03 05:26PM >>>
I believe I've seen some simple encryption functions (maybe in SmartAccess?)
that can be used to scramble the numbers. that is one way to do it unless
(gasp!) you are using the SS# as the primary key.
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: CYNTHIA SPELL [mailto:CSPELL at jhuccp.org] 
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 3:03 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] Hiding SSN


Is there a way that you can COMPLETELY hide an SSN field from users - keep
them out of the database window, don't let them see the table, etc?   

Thanks for your help.
Cindy




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From jscott at mchsi.com  Fri May  2 07:29:55 2003
From: jscott at mchsi.com (Jeanine)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 07:29:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Close current database
In-Reply-To: <3EB22E3E.16527.245D52@localhost>
Message-ID: <DPEMLPOPFDGDKNELEIKACEJJDBAA.jscott@mchsi.com>

I am running into some problems with something and I think I may just be
making it too hard. I want to open one database from another - close the
first and run some code in the second. Then close the second and open the
first again.

I have messed around with the open and close currentdb methods but they only
seem to be for the purpose of automation.

My objective is to check the current version when my users open their
application. If the version is not current the routine will close the
application and open a separate db that does the copy routine. Then the copy
db will close itself and re-open the application. My theory is this will
give the users a pretty seamless version control system.

I just can't get the darn thing to close itself and open another db.

Thanks!


From PBudge at cbsol.com  Fri May  2 07:45:14 2003
From: PBudge at cbsol.com (PBudge at cbsol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 07:45:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Phew....made it....
Message-ID: <OFC66A6319.3CB58AB4-ON86256D1A.0045F88F@cbsol.com>


Oddly, I'm betting his mother's hair was completely white by the time he
was 2. . . ;-)))))))))))))))

Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions


                                                                                                                                               
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...nah ...natural born masochist :))))

William

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 2:38 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Phew....made it....


> Boy, do you like a challenge!
>
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> > Sent: 02 May 2003 03:36
> > To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: [AccessD] Phew....made it....
> >
> >
> > Well it's now been a solid week and 13 hours since my DSL
> > went online, and thus the archives were back up.  That's more
> > then the 4 day, 2 day, and 36 hour periods combined! <grin>
> >
> > Although, now that the archives are back up, the posting
> > around here has slowed to a crawl, what's up with that?  Do I
> > need to get into a debate with JC or what?
> >
> > A little advanced warning, I am going to try and hack my
> > SpeedStream 5260 DSL modem, to turn it into a SpeedStream
> > 5660 Router this weekend.  Downtime will be in the seconds,
> > but if it completely flops, then I'll need a new DSL
> > modem....so it may be down for a day or two..... <grin>
> >
> > Drew
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri May  2 08:08:08 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 23:08:08 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Close current database
In-Reply-To: <DPEMLPOPFDGDKNELEIKACEJJDBAA.jscott@mchsi.com>
References: <3EB22E3E.16527.245D52@localhost>
Message-ID: <3EB2FA58.3319.341A669@localhost>

On 2 May 2003 at 7:29, Jeanine wrote:

> 
> I just can't get the darn thing to close itself and open another db.
> 

One way, of the top of my head would be:

Public Declare Function ShellExecute Lib "shell32.dll" Alias _
"ShellExecuteA" (ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal lpOperation As String, _
ByVal lpFile As String, ByVal lpParameters As String, ByVal _
lpDirectory As String, ByVal nShowCmd As Long) As Long _

Sub OpenTheOtherOne()
	ShellExecute(0,"Open","C:\Full\Path\To\YourSecondApp.mdb"","","",1)
	DoCmd.Quit
End Sub


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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Fri May  2 08:17:08 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 09:17:08 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Similar List for Excel
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF40389777D@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Sure, head on over to

http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/index.html

and you'll find a couple of Excel user lists.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Martin Caro [SMTP:martin.caro at bigpond.com]
> Sent:	Friday, May 02, 2003 3:38 AM
> To:	accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject:	[AccessD] Similar List for Excel
> 
> Hi Folks
>  
> Does anyone have any details of a similar list to AccessD that is
> operating for Excel?
>  
> Martin << File: ATT4764799.txt >> 

From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May  2 08:56:28 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 09:56:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] test
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEAPDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>



John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May  2 08:56:55 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 09:56:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEBADKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Well, today my NTLDR wouldn't!  Or wasn't, depending on who you talked to!

I never did get it back, but after 4 hours of trying I had succeeded in
getting a floppy to boot (I had a weird boot config as well) and then
succeeded in getting Office apps to run windows setup every time they
loaded, trashed IE and so forth and so on.

So... I went down, bought a new 120mb hard disk, and started over.  I did
this of course so that I didn't overwrite anything (else) in the process of
getting windows working again.  Installed Win2kSP.  Of course no network,
video, sound and most critically drivers for the Promise100 IDE 3/4 where my
old disks now reside.  More hours searching for CDs and floppies for those
things, searching the internet (on my other computer - thank GOD for "the
other computer").

Of course I then spent several hours applying service packs, reloading O2K
(only, so far), Norton utilities, NAV, and am still in the process of
re-installing everything I can think of that I used to have.  The weird
thing is that I have my outlook.pst, but that apparently doesn't have the
personalized settings in it for things like rules, signature, etc.

Anyway, still loading stuff!

WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT
A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A
PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!

My question to you kind folks, where the (*&%)%$#!@ are rules / sig and the
like kept for Outlook?

It seems like you would just copy the entire jcolby user and be back with
all that kind of stuff.  The problem of course is that there is stuff in
there for programs that don't exist (at least in the same place) etc.

Sigh!

John W. Colby



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May  2 08:57:21 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 09:57:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Humor
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEBADKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Dr. Seuss Explains Computer Crashes

Many of you have wondered why a computer crashes.  It is usually very
technical but maybe this will help. (Read this aloud - it's GREAT!)

If a packet hits a pocket on a socket on a port,
and the bus is interrupted at a very last resort, and the access
of the memory makes your floppy disk abort,
then the socket packet pocket has an error to report.

If your cursor finds a menu item followed by a dash
and the double-clicking icon puts your window in the trash,
and your data is corrupted cause the index doesn't hash,
then your situation's hopeless and your system's gonna crash!

If the label on the cable on the table at your house
says the network is connected to the button on your mouse,
but your packets want to tunnel to another protocol,
that's repeatedly rejected by the printer down the hall,

and your screen is all distorted by the side effects of gauss,
so your icons in the window are as wavy as a souse;
then you may as well reboot and go out with a bang,
'cuz sure as I'm a poet, the sucker's gonna hang!

When the copy of your floppy's getting sloppy in the disk,
and the macro code instructions cause unnecessary risk,
then you'll have to flash the memory and you'll want to RAM your ROM....
then quickly turn off the computer and be sure to tell your Mom !!

WELL! That certainly clears things up for ME !!

HOW about YOU??

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com



From jscott at mchsi.com  Fri May  2 09:08:26 2003
From: jscott at mchsi.com (jscott at mchsi.com)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 14:08:26 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Close current database
Message-ID: <200305021408.h42E8Sg29950@databaseadvisors.com>

This works perfectly! Thank you so much! I would have never stumbled across 
that myself. :)

--

Jeanine 
> On 2 May 2003 at 7:29, Jeanine wrote:
> 
> > 
> > I just can't get the darn thing to close itself and open another db.
> > 
> 
> One way, of the top of my head would be:
> 
> Public Declare Function ShellExecute Lib "shell32.dll" Alias _
> "ShellExecuteA" (ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal lpOperation As String, _
> ByVal lpFile As String, ByVal lpParameters As String, ByVal _
> lpDirectory As String, ByVal nShowCmd As Long) As Long _
> 
> Sub OpenTheOtherOne()
> 	ShellExecute(0,"Open","C:\Full\Path\To\YourSecondApp.mdb"","","",1)
> 	DoCmd.Quit
> End Sub
> 
> 
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From mitsules_ms at nns.com  Fri May  2 09:08:05 2003
From: mitsules_ms at nns.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 10:08:05 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E293AA@nnse14.nns.com>

John,

On my Win2K/Outlook2K2 box they are located here.
C:\Documents and Settings\[USER NAME]\Application Data\Microsoft\Signatures

HTH,

Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 9:57 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


Well, today my NTLDR wouldn't!  Or wasn't, depending on who you talked to!

I never did get it back, but after 4 hours of trying I had succeeded in
getting a floppy to boot (I had a weird boot config as well) and then
succeeded in getting Office apps to run windows setup every time they
loaded, trashed IE and so forth and so on.

So... I went down, bought a new 120mb hard disk, and started over.  I did
this of course so that I didn't overwrite anything (else) in the process of
getting windows working again.  Installed Win2kSP.  Of course no network,
video, sound and most critically drivers for the Promise100 IDE 3/4 where my
old disks now reside.  More hours searching for CDs and floppies for those
things, searching the internet (on my other computer - thank GOD for "the
other computer").

Of course I then spent several hours applying service packs, reloading O2K
(only, so far), Norton utilities, NAV, and am still in the process of
re-installing everything I can think of that I used to have.  The weird
thing is that I have my outlook.pst, but that apparently doesn't have the
personalized settings in it for things like rules, signature, etc.

Anyway, still loading stuff!

WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT
A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A
PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!

My question to you kind folks, where the (*&%)%$#!@ are rules / sig and the
like kept for Outlook?

It seems like you would just copy the entire jcolby user and be back with
all that kind of stuff.  The problem of course is that there is stuff in
there for programs that don't exist (at least in the same place) etc.

Sigh!

John W. Colby


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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri May  2 09:15:15 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 07:15:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEBADKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <008801c310b5$40a84380$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

John:

Don't know if this will help but:

http://www.abfsoftware.com/

Check the Outlook Backup utility.  Should allow you to backup the Outlook
stuff from your backup computer and reload it on the new one.  Maybe.

BTW, what's a NTLDR?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 6:56 AM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


> Well, today my NTLDR wouldn't!  Or wasn't, depending on who you talked to!
>
> I never did get it back, but after 4 hours of trying I had succeeded in
> getting a floppy to boot (I had a weird boot config as well) and then
> succeeded in getting Office apps to run windows setup every time they
> loaded, trashed IE and so forth and so on.
>
> So... I went down, bought a new 120mb hard disk, and started over.  I did
> this of course so that I didn't overwrite anything (else) in the process
of
> getting windows working again.  Installed Win2kSP.  Of course no network,
> video, sound and most critically drivers for the Promise100 IDE 3/4 where
my
> old disks now reside.  More hours searching for CDs and floppies for those
> things, searching the internet (on my other computer - thank GOD for "the
> other computer").
>
> Of course I then spent several hours applying service packs, reloading O2K
> (only, so far), Norton utilities, NAV, and am still in the process of
> re-installing everything I can think of that I used to have.  The weird
> thing is that I have my outlook.pst, but that apparently doesn't have the
> personalized settings in it for things like rules, signature, etc.
>
> Anyway, still loading stuff!
>
> WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A
PITA!WHAT
> A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A
> PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!
>
> My question to you kind folks, where the (*&%)%$#!@ are rules / sig and
the
> like kept for Outlook?
>
> It seems like you would just copy the entire jcolby user and be back with
> all that kind of stuff.  The problem of course is that there is stuff in
> there for programs that don't exist (at least in the same place) etc.
>
> Sigh!
>
> John W. Colby
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri May  2 09:15:56 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 07:15:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEBADKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <008c01c310b5$59671a40$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Here's a more direct link:

http://www.abf-soft.com/outlook-backup.shtml

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 6:56 AM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


> Well, today my NTLDR wouldn't!  Or wasn't, depending on who you talked to!
>
> I never did get it back, but after 4 hours of trying I had succeeded in
> getting a floppy to boot (I had a weird boot config as well) and then
> succeeded in getting Office apps to run windows setup every time they
> loaded, trashed IE and so forth and so on.
>
> So... I went down, bought a new 120mb hard disk, and started over.  I did
> this of course so that I didn't overwrite anything (else) in the process
of
> getting windows working again.  Installed Win2kSP.  Of course no network,
> video, sound and most critically drivers for the Promise100 IDE 3/4 where
my
> old disks now reside.  More hours searching for CDs and floppies for those
> things, searching the internet (on my other computer - thank GOD for "the
> other computer").
>
> Of course I then spent several hours applying service packs, reloading O2K
> (only, so far), Norton utilities, NAV, and am still in the process of
> re-installing everything I can think of that I used to have.  The weird
> thing is that I have my outlook.pst, but that apparently doesn't have the
> personalized settings in it for things like rules, signature, etc.
>
> Anyway, still loading stuff!
>
> WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A
PITA!WHAT
> A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A
> PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!
>
> My question to you kind folks, where the (*&%)%$#!@ are rules / sig and
the
> like kept for Outlook?
>
> It seems like you would just copy the entire jcolby user and be back with
> all that kind of stuff.  The problem of course is that there is stuff in
> there for programs that don't exist (at least in the same place) etc.
>
> Sigh!
>
> John W. Colby
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From tewksbum at hotmail.com  Fri May  2 09:16:00 2003
From: tewksbum at hotmail.com (Marcus Tewksbury)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 09:16:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!
Message-ID: <Law9-F444UBkqvooZtG00023ccc@hotmail.com>

Can Anyone Help Me?

I have built a client server application using .adp front end and SQL
Server back end.  Within the application itself I use unbound forms and
retrieve records using ADO recordsets at run time.  The way I have
initially deployed the application is to copy an instance of the .adp to
each desktop and run it locally.  The problem has been that people keep
overwriting each other's updates - and changes are not reflected fast
enough.

I have a couple of different thoughts on how to tackle this - either
ratchet down the ODBC refresh rate, or run a single, centralized copy of
the .adp (which throws up some non-updateable warning every time it
starts which I don't know how to suppress).  Of course, I acknowledge
that I am a total newbie, and both of these options may be flawed.

Thanks a bunch,

- Sherri





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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Fri May  2 09:17:05 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 09:17:05 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Humor
Message-ID: <BAY2-F72nvUFcxT5nwZ0000c3f9@hotmail.com>

So THAT's what happend to your system?

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] OT: Humor
>Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 09:57:21 -0400
>
>Dr. Seuss Explains Computer Crashes
>
>Many of you have wondered why a computer crashes.  It is usually very
>technical but maybe this will help. (Read this aloud - it's GREAT!)
>
>If a packet hits a pocket on a socket on a port,
>and the bus is interrupted at a very last resort, and the access
>of the memory makes your floppy disk abort,
>then the socket packet pocket has an error to report.
>
>If your cursor finds a menu item followed by a dash
>and the double-clicking icon puts your window in the trash,
>and your data is corrupted cause the index doesn't hash,
>then your situation's hopeless and your system's gonna crash!
>
>If the label on the cable on the table at your house
>says the network is connected to the button on your mouse,
>but your packets want to tunnel to another protocol,
>that's repeatedly rejected by the printer down the hall,
>
>and your screen is all distorted by the side effects of gauss,
>so your icons in the window are as wavy as a souse;
>then you may as well reboot and go out with a bang,
>'cuz sure as I'm a poet, the sucker's gonna hang!
>
>When the copy of your floppy's getting sloppy in the disk,
>and the macro code instructions cause unnecessary risk,
>then you'll have to flash the memory and you'll want to RAM your ROM....
>then quickly turn off the computer and be sure to tell your Mom !!
>
>WELL! That certainly clears things up for ME !!
>
>HOW about YOU??
>
>John W. Colby
>Colby Consulting
>www.ColbyConsulting.com


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From bbruen at bigpond.com  Fri May  2 09:17:25 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 00:17:25 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEBADKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <002301c310b5$8f3b2990$be75fea9@bbb888>

John,

I saw something about this yesterday while searching the KB for "outlook
rules"... But have forgotten the exact details except that the eules are
in .rc? or .rh? Files. These are somewhere in your profile directories
(eg C:\Docuver ments and Settings\Bruce\Application
Data\Microsoft\Outlook)

Sig files are whatever and wherever you saved 'em as... Mine are .txt
files and are in verious pLAces.

Hth
Bruce

P.e. typing in the dark to learn to touech trype at the are of 50 is nit
easy.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 11:57 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


<.exec bp250/120snip>

My question to you kind folks, where the (*&%)%$#!@ are rules / sig and
the like kept for Outlook?

It seems like you would just copy the entire jcolby user and be back
with all that kind of stuff.  Th problem of course is that there is
stuff in there for programs that don't exist (at least in the same
place) etc.

Sigh!

John W. Colby


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From Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com  Fri May  2 09:31:14 2003
From: Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com (Lavsa, Rich)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 10:31:14 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@
Message-ID: <833956F5C117124A89417638FDB11290EBCE47@goexchange.pghcorning.com>

if you can get to your outlook.  Click on Organize, click on the Rules
Wizard, then from the dialog box shown you can import/export your rules.  

If you cannot get to your outlook.... check link for information on outlook
file locations and extensions... hope its helpfull

http://www.all-windows.com/backup.html



-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 9:57 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


Well, today my NTLDR wouldn't!  Or wasn't, depending on who you talked to!

I never did get it back, but after 4 hours of trying I had succeeded in
getting a floppy to boot (I had a weird boot config as well) and then
succeeded in getting Office apps to run windows setup every time they
loaded, trashed IE and so forth and so on.

So... I went down, bought a new 120mb hard disk, and started over.  I did
this of course so that I didn't overwrite anything (else) in the process of
getting windows working again.  Installed Win2kSP.  Of course no network,
video, sound and most critically drivers for the Promise100 IDE 3/4 where my
old disks now reside.  More hours searching for CDs and floppies for those
things, searching the internet (on my other computer - thank GOD for "the
other computer").

Of course I then spent several hours applying service packs, reloading O2K
(only, so far), Norton utilities, NAV, and am still in the process of
re-installing everything I can think of that I used to have.  The weird
thing is that I have my outlook.pst, but that apparently doesn't have the
personalized settings in it for things like rules, signature, etc.

Anyway, still loading stuff!

WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT
A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A
PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!

My question to you kind folks, where the (*&%)%$#!@ are rules / sig and the
like kept for Outlook?

It seems like you would just copy the entire jcolby user and be back with
all that kind of stuff.  The problem of course is that there is stuff in
there for programs that don't exist (at least in the same place) etc.

Sigh!

John W. Colby


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From papparuff at attbi.com  Fri May  2 09:34:08 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 07:34:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEBADKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <007201c310b7$e588e740$6401a8c0@papparuff>

Your .pst file and Rules file are located in the same directory
C:\Documents and Settings\UserName\Application Data\Microsoft\Outlook

The Email file is called outlook.pst
The Rules file is called Microsoft Outlook Internet Settings.RWZ

You can copy the .pst from your good computer to the new one and all your
emails will be there.

Copying the Rules is a bit different in that you must IMPORT your rules.
>From the top line menu select Tools > Rules Wizard.  Select the Options
button in the lower right corner of the dialog form the pops up.  An Options
dialog form will be displayed.  Press the Import Rules and you will be able
to select the old .rwz file to import.  Once you have imported the rules,
you are going to have to recheck them all...you'll see what I mean.



John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
Always Looking For Contract Opportunities

Home: 253.588.2139
Cell: 253.307/2947
9306 Farwest Dr SW
Lakewood, WA 98498

"Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
                and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 6:57 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


Well, today my NTLDR wouldn't!  Or wasn't, depending on who you talked to!

I never did get it back, but after 4 hours of trying I had succeeded in
getting a floppy to boot (I had a weird boot config as well) and then
succeeded in getting Office apps to run windows setup every time they
loaded, trashed IE and so forth and so on.

So... I went down, bought a new 120mb hard disk, and started over.  I did
this of course so that I didn't overwrite anything (else) in the process of
getting windows working again.  Installed Win2kSP.  Of course no network,
video, sound and most critically drivers for the Promise100 IDE 3/4 where my
old disks now reside.  More hours searching for CDs and floppies for those
things, searching the internet (on my other computer - thank GOD for "the
other computer").

Of course I then spent several hours applying service packs, reloading O2K
(only, so far), Norton utilities, NAV, and am still in the process of
re-installing everything I can think of that I used to have.  The weird
thing is that I have my outlook.pst, but that apparently doesn't have the
personalized settings in it for things like rules, signature, etc.

Anyway, still loading stuff!

WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT
A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A
PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!

My question to you kind folks, where the (*&%)%$#!@ are rules / sig and the
like kept for Outlook?

It seems like you would just copy the entire jcolby user and be back with
all that kind of stuff.  The problem of course is that there is stuff in
there for programs that don't exist (at least in the same place) etc.

Sigh!

John W. Colby


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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Fri May  2 09:37:54 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 09:37:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Hiding SSN
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357A7@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Cindy,

Using user level security you can set the permissions for each object so
only those belonging to the proper groups can read/write/create/delete
certain objects.  The Access Security FAQ was up as of a minute before I
hit the Send button.
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=%2Fsupport%2Faccess%2Fcon
tent%2Fsecfaq%2Easp (watch for line wrap)

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: CYNTHIA SPELL [mailto:CSPELL at jhuccp.org] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 02 07:06
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Hiding SSN

Thanks to those who responded to me...

Charles, I couldn't get into the website on Access security.  I guess
what I need to know is - will that type of security prevent users from
seeing the tables (using the shift key, F11?)  

Jim, I inherited the database and yes it's (gasp!) the primary key, so
encryption won't work.  I'm thinking about biting the bullet and
changing the PK to an autonumber.  Any thoughts on that?

David, I'm not letting users into the tables, only forms.  And hidden
tables don't really seem to be hidden. 

Thanks again.

Cindy

From mitsules_ms at nns.com  Fri May  2 09:46:01 2003
From: mitsules_ms at nns.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 10:46:01 -0400 
Subject: OT: Re:  Bruce Bruen's email Client   Was: RE: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&
	^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E293AC@nnse14.nns.com>

Bruce,

...just curious, no flames intended, honestly, but what email client are you
using, what format are you sending your emails, and what, if anything else
are you attaching when you post to AccessD?  The reason I ask is because
with my Win2K/Outlook2K2 setup, the emails I receive from you are 3 levels
deep.  The first consists of the AccessD footer and 1 attachment ("Untitled
Attachment") with no "body".  When I open the "Untitled Attachment", there
is another blank email consisting of 2 more attachments ("ATT2303090.txt"
and "smime.p7s").  If I open the "smime.p7s" attachment, it appears to be a
certificate...(which I have no problem with).  The actual content of your
email is in the "ATT2303090.txt" attachment...whoohoo!

My question is this, is there some setting on MY machine that I can set so
it will just interpret all of this mess as just a plain textual email
response?


Thanks to all for any suggestions,


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Bruen [mailto:bbruen at bigpond.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 10:17 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Fri May  2 09:50:22 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 09:50:22 -0500
Subject: Record Locking - was RE: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F877EA@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Marcus,

If more than one person is trying to update the same record at the same
time, it sounds as if you have poor business procedures in place.  In an
organized organization two or more people do not to try to update the
same record at the same time!

Now that we have disposed of the business problems which you are
probably not in a position to solve, let us tackle your technical
problems.  With unbound recordsets you do not have exclusive access to
the records and you cannot lock the data until the user makes their
changes.  If you need to allow users to hit against the same data, then
you need to bind and lock the data until the first user is done.  If you
stick with unbound recordsets, then limit the recordset to only one
record.  That limits the possibility that somebody else is trying to
update the same record.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Marcus Tewksbury [mailto:tewksbum at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 02 09:16
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!

Can Anyone Help Me?

I have built a client server application using .adp front end and SQL
Server back end.  Within the application itself I use unbound forms and
retrieve records using ADO recordsets at run time.  The way I have
initially deployed the application is to copy an instance of the .adp to
each desktop and run it locally.  The problem has been that people keep
overwriting each other's updates - and changes are not reflected fast
enough.

I have a couple of different thoughts on how to tackle this - either
ratchet down the ODBC refresh rate, or run a single, centralized copy of
the .adp (which throws up some non-updateable warning every time it
starts which I don't know how to suppress).  Of course, I acknowledge
that I am a total newbie, and both of these options may be flawed.

Thanks a bunch,

- Sherri

From john at winhaven.net  Fri May  2 09:54:46 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 09:54:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEBADKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJAELNEEAA.john@winhaven.net>

John,
Outlook, unfortunately, has stuff scattered all over the place.

Sigs are in your %USERPROFILE% environmental variable is set to (on NT serie
OSs) or under the Windows\Appdata\ tree in W95 OSs.

You can, thankfully but "PITAfully" save most of the settings to text file
by exporting them. Once you've gone through all the bull you're going to go
through restoring this crud. you might want to export all these settings to
a safe place (like a network drive that is backed up). Rules can be exported
and you'll have an .rwz file. Sigs can be saved as text and accounts can be
saved as .iaf files.

Good luck!

JB


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 8:57 AM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@
>
>
> Well, today my NTLDR wouldn't!  Or wasn't, depending on who you talked to!
>
> I never did get it back, but after 4 hours of trying I had succeeded in
> getting a floppy to boot (I had a weird boot config as well) and then
> succeeded in getting Office apps to run windows setup every time they
> loaded, trashed IE and so forth and so on.
>
> So... I went down, bought a new 120mb hard disk, and started over.  I did
> this of course so that I didn't overwrite anything (else) in the
> process of
> getting windows working again.  Installed Win2kSP.  Of course no network,
> video, sound and most critically drivers for the Promise100 IDE
> 3/4 where my
> old disks now reside.  More hours searching for CDs and floppies for those
> things, searching the internet (on my other computer - thank GOD for "the
> other computer").
>
> Of course I then spent several hours applying service packs, reloading O2K
> (only, so far), Norton utilities, NAV, and am still in the process of
> re-installing everything I can think of that I used to have.  The weird
> thing is that I have my outlook.pst, but that apparently doesn't have the
> personalized settings in it for things like rules, signature, etc.
>
> Anyway, still loading stuff!
>
> WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT
> A PITA!WHAT
> A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A
> PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!
>
> My question to you kind folks, where the (*&%)%$#!@ are rules /
> sig and the
> like kept for Outlook?
>
> It seems like you would just copy the entire jcolby user and be back with
> all that kind of stuff.  The problem of course is that there is stuff in
> there for programs that don't exist (at least in the same place) etc.
>
> Sigh!
>
> John W. Colby
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>



From john at winhaven.net  Fri May  2 10:04:07 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 10:04:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Compact DB
In-Reply-To: <F4FD32CEB33B314B9187B3A6599B3D6E891C81@lbbx2ktemp1.corp.int.bromley.gov.uk>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJIELNEEAA.john@winhaven.net>

Compact DBIt depends. A2k and > has it on the Tools menu. For A97 use this:

Public Sub SelfCompact()
      ' Comments   : A massive work around to the lack of compact on close
in A97.
      '              Builds a temporary Command Bar and then closes and
reopens the DB.
      '              Code credit to Jim Dettman. Online Computer Services of
WNY, Inc. jimdettman at earthlink.net
      ' Parameters :  -
      ' Returns    :  -

      On Error GoTo PROC_ERR

      With CommandBars.Add(, 1, , True)
         .Controls.Add 1, 2071, , , True
         .Visible = True
         .Controls(1).SetFocus
         DoEvents
         SendKeys "~"
      End With
      Exit Sub

PROC_ERR:
      MsgBox "The following error occurred: " & Error$
      Resume Next
End Sub

HTH
JB

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Smethurst, Ryan
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:16 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Compact DB


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  Is it possible to compact a db in code when quitting it?

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From harkins at iglou.com  Fri May  2 10:02:55 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 11:02:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!
References: <Law9-F444UBkqvooZtG00023ccc@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <005b01c310bc$30700690$e5ecffcc@SusanOne>

> I have built a client server application using .adp front end and SQL
> Server back end.  Within the application itself I use unbound forms and
> retrieve records using ADO recordsets at run time.  The way I have
> initially deployed the application is to copy an instance of the .adp to
> each desktop and run it locally.  The problem has been that people keep
> overwriting each other's updates - and changes are not reflected fast
> enough.

===========I'm not sure what you mean -- must they update in some particular
order?

> I have a couple of different thoughts on how to tackle this - either
> ratchet down the ODBC refresh rate, or run a single, centralized copy of
> the .adp (which throws up some non-updateable warning every time it
> starts which I don't know how to suppress).  Of course, I acknowledge
> that I am a total newbie, and both of these options may be flawed.

===========How are you currently updating? I'm assuming you're using the
UpdateBatch method -- is it a manual process where the user determines when
to update?

Susan H.


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May  2 10:14:33 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 08:14:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Close current database
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311EEE@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Take a look at the OpenCurrentDatabase method.  Both databases stay open
but you switch to the new one.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeanine [mailto:jscott at mchsi.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 4:30 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Close current database


I am running into some problems with something and I think I may just be
making it too hard. I want to open one database from another - close the
first and run some code in the second. Then close the second and open
the first again.

I have messed around with the open and close currentdb methods but they
only seem to be for the purpose of automation.

My objective is to check the current version when my users open their
application. If the version is not current the routine will close the
application and open a separate db that does the copy routine. Then the
copy db will close itself and re-open the application. My theory is this
will give the users a pretty seamless version control system.

I just can't get the darn thing to close itself and open another db.

Thanks!

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From bob at renaissancesiding.com  Fri May  2 10:33:22 2003
From: bob at renaissancesiding.com (Bob Gajewski)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 11:33:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Compact on close 
Message-ID: <01C3109E.A3BBB1D0.bob@renaissancesiding.com>

If I remember correctly, the very original question was how to effect the 
compact on close through code. Check out the following link for one 
suggestion:

http://www.tek-tips.com/gfaqs.cfm/lev2/4/lev3/27/pid/705/fid/1955

Regards,
Bob Gajewski



From bob at renaissancesiding.com  Fri May  2 10:44:50 2003
From: bob at renaissancesiding.com (Bob Gajewski)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 11:44:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Compact on close 
Message-ID: <01C310A0.3DF3DE70.bob@renaissancesiding.com>

And from a more well-known source, at least on this list:

http://www.mvps.org/access/general/gen0013.htm

Regards,
Bob Gajewski

On Friday, May 02, 2003 11:33 AM, Bob Gajewski [SMTP:bob at renaissancesiding.com] wrote:
> If I remember correctly, the very original question was how to effect the 
> compact on close through code. Check out the following link for one 
> suggestion:
> 
> http://www.tek-tips.com/gfaqs.cfm/lev2/4/lev3/27/pid/705/fid/1955
> 
> Regards,
> Bob Gajewski
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
> 


From mtucker at myrealbox.com  Fri May  2 10:46:48 2003
From: mtucker at myrealbox.com (Michael Tucker)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 11:46:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] 
	Function for "scrubbing" strings before inserting them into SQL
	statements?
Message-ID: <200305021546.h42Fkcg16876@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi everyone,

I'm sure everybody has faced this situation, but I can't seem to figure out
an elegant solution.  I have a webpage interface to an Access database where
users can enter notes on various things.  Of course the user may enter
apostrophes or quotation marks in these notes, but of course that sends my
SQL statement into a tizzy.  A sample of my SQL statement...

strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblEmployeeMonthlyTask ([TaskDescription]) VALUES "
strSQL = strSQL & "('" & Request.Form("txtTaskDescription") & "')"

Is there a function that will convert my string so that it usable inside of
this SQL statement even if it contains apostrophes and quotes?

Thank you.


From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  2 10:49:58 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 10:49:58 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Phew....made it....
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D829ED@main2.marlow.com>

Ya, but I'll take a bad hard drive over a bankrupt ISP, moving, or an
apartment fire ANY DAY! <grin>

Also, this didn't take the archives down, it just stopped the service that
pulls the posts into the archive database.  So it will be 'behind' for a day
or two, not a big deal.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:57 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Phew....made it....


...and the saga continues

Good luck Drew
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 1:13 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Phew....made it....


Probably a little of both.  Ironically, tonight the primary hard drive on my
print server died.  Kinda sucks, because it's the machine that is physically
archiving posts.  Gonna have fun rebuilding it! <grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 1:51 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Phew....made it....


...nah ...natural born masochist :))))

William

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 2:38 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Phew....made it....


> Boy, do you like a challenge!
>
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> > Sent: 02 May 2003 03:36
> > To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: [AccessD] Phew....made it....
> >
> >
> > Well it's now been a solid week and 13 hours since my DSL
> > went online, and thus the archives were back up.  That's more
> > then the 4 day, 2 day, and 36 hour periods combined! <grin>
> >
> > Although, now that the archives are back up, the posting
> > around here has slowed to a crawl, what's up with that?  Do I
> > need to get into a debate with JC or what?
> >
> > A little advanced warning, I am going to try and hack my
> > SpeedStream 5260 DSL modem, to turn it into a SpeedStream
> > 5660 Router this weekend.  Downtime will be in the seconds,
> > but if it completely flops, then I'll need a new DSL
> > modem....so it may be down for a day or two..... <grin>
> >
> > Drew
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Website:
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
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From CSPELL at jhuccp.org  Fri May  2 10:50:31 2003
From: CSPELL at jhuccp.org (CYNTHIA SPELL)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 11:50:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Hiding SSN
Message-ID: <seb25b95.023@ccp2.jhuccp.org>

I've got it now.  Thanks, Charles.

>>> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 05/02/03 10:37AM >>>
Cindy,

Using user level security you can set the permissions for each object so
only those belonging to the proper groups can read/write/create/delete
certain objects.  The Access Security FAQ was up as of a minute before I
hit the Send button.
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=%2Fsupport%2Faccess%2Fcon 
tent%2Fsecfaq%2Easp (watch for line wrap)

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 



-----Original Message-----
From: CYNTHIA SPELL [mailto:CSPELL at jhuccp.org] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 02 07:06
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Hiding SSN

Thanks to those who responded to me...

Charles, I couldn't get into the website on Access security.  I guess
what I need to know is - will that type of security prevent users from
seeing the tables (using the shift key, F11?)  

Jim, I inherited the database and yes it's (gasp!) the primary key, so
encryption won't work.  I'm thinking about biting the bullet and
changing the PK to an autonumber.  Any thoughts on that?

David, I'm not letting users into the tables, only forms.  And hidden
tables don't really seem to be hidden. 

Thanks again.

Cindy
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  2 10:52:22 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 10:52:22 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Phew....made it....
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D829EE@main2.marlow.com>

Very funny.  Actually, while I was growing up, everyone thought I was going
to be a Pastor when I grew up.  However, after High School, my career path
went musician, to nuclear mechanic, to general mechanic, to computer geek.
Now my brother (who everyone thought was going to be a musician) is now in
Gettysburg, PA going to Seminary.  Go figure.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: PBudge at cbsol.com [mailto:PBudge at cbsol.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 7:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Phew....made it....



Oddly, I'm betting his mother's hair was completely white by the time he
was 2. . . ;-)))))))))))))))

Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions


 

                      "William Hindman"

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...nah ...natural born masochist :))))

William

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 2:38 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Phew....made it....


> Boy, do you like a challenge!
>
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> > Sent: 02 May 2003 03:36
> > To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: [AccessD] Phew....made it....
> >
> >
> > Well it's now been a solid week and 13 hours since my DSL
> > went online, and thus the archives were back up.  That's more
> > then the 4 day, 2 day, and 36 hour periods combined! <grin>
> >
> > Although, now that the archives are back up, the posting
> > around here has slowed to a crawl, what's up with that?  Do I
> > need to get into a debate with JC or what?
> >
> > A little advanced warning, I am going to try and hack my
> > SpeedStream 5260 DSL modem, to turn it into a SpeedStream
> > 5660 Router this weekend.  Downtime will be in the seconds,
> > but if it completely flops, then I'll need a new DSL
> > modem....so it may be down for a day or two..... <grin>
> >
> > Drew
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> > Website:
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  2 10:56:39 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 10:56:39 -0500 
Subject: Bruce Bruen's email Client   Was: RE: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&
	 ^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D829EF@main2.marlow.com>

I think the emails are getting like that through the List server, because I
get them the same way.

Just an FYI Bruce, the emails posted like that aren't going in the
archive....well they are, they're just blank, because the archiver ignores
attachments.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:mitsules_ms at nns.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 9:46 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: OT: Re: Bruce Bruen's email Client Was: RE: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&
^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


Bruce,

...just curious, no flames intended, honestly, but what email client are you
using, what format are you sending your emails, and what, if anything else
are you attaching when you post to AccessD?  The reason I ask is because
with my Win2K/Outlook2K2 setup, the emails I receive from you are 3 levels
deep.  The first consists of the AccessD footer and 1 attachment ("Untitled
Attachment") with no "body".  When I open the "Untitled Attachment", there
is another blank email consisting of 2 more attachments ("ATT2303090.txt"
and "smime.p7s").  If I open the "smime.p7s" attachment, it appears to be a
certificate...(which I have no problem with).  The actual content of your
email is in the "ATT2303090.txt" attachment...whoohoo!

My question is this, is there some setting on MY machine that I can set so
it will just interpret all of this mess as just a plain textual email
response?


Thanks to all for any suggestions,


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Bruen [mailto:bbruen at bigpond.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 10:17 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Fri May  2 11:04:05 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 11:04:05 -0500
Subject: OT: Re: Bruce Bruen's email Client Was: RE: [AccessD] OT:
 ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@
Message-ID: <BAY2-F131ZNAfdeid4i0000ba4a@hotmail.com>

Hotmail handles this message without any extra attachments. All I see is the 
message. I do see the "smime.p7s" attachment but no others. Yea HOTMAIL! 
Finally SOMETHING GOOD from it. ;-)

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: "Mitsules, Mark" <mitsules_ms at nns.com>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: OT: Re:  Bruce Bruen's email Client   Was: RE: [AccessD] OT: 
>^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@
>Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 10:46:01 -0400
>
>Bruce,
>
>...just curious, no flames intended, honestly, but what email client are 
>you
>using, what format are you sending your emails, and what, if anything else
>are you attaching when you post to AccessD?  The reason I ask is because
>with my Win2K/Outlook2K2 setup, the emails I receive from you are 3 levels
>deep.  The first consists of the AccessD footer and 1 attachment ("Untitled
>Attachment") with no "body".  When I open the "Untitled Attachment", there
>is another blank email consisting of 2 more attachments ("ATT2303090.txt"
>and "smime.p7s").  If I open the "smime.p7s" attachment, it appears to be a
>certificate...(which I have no problem with).  The actual content of your
>email is in the "ATT2303090.txt" attachment...whoohoo!
>
>My question is this, is there some setting on MY machine that I can set so
>it will just interpret all of this mess as just a plain textual email
>response?
>
>
>Thanks to all for any suggestions,
>
>
>Mark
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bruce Bruen [mailto:bbruen at bigpond.com]
>Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 10:17 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@
>
>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  2 11:08:00 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 11:08:00 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD]  Function for "scrubbing" strings before inserting 
	them into SQL statements?
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D829F2@main2.marlow.com>

Use the replace function, to replace all double quotes, with two double
quotes.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tucker [mailto:mtucker at myrealbox.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 10:47 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Function for "scrubbing" strings before inserting
them into SQL statements?


Hi everyone,

I'm sure everybody has faced this situation, but I can't seem to figure out
an elegant solution.  I have a webpage interface to an Access database where
users can enter notes on various things.  Of course the user may enter
apostrophes or quotation marks in these notes, but of course that sends my
SQL statement into a tizzy.  A sample of my SQL statement...

strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblEmployeeMonthlyTask ([TaskDescription]) VALUES "
strSQL = strSQL & "('" & Request.Form("txtTaskDescription") & "')"

Is there a function that will convert my string so that it usable inside of
this SQL statement even if it contains apostrophes and quotes?

Thank you.

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From PBudge at cbsol.com  Fri May  2 11:16:17 2003
From: PBudge at cbsol.com (PBudge at cbsol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 11:16:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD]OT Phew....made it....
Message-ID: <OFBB2C0F33.EF822A2E-ON86256D1A.0058B62E@cbsol.com>


!!!!!  YOU??  DREW WUTKA the inveterate tinkerer?  A PASTOR???????

Given all your recent adventures, would your church have SURVIVED you being
a pastor?  ;-))))))))))))))))))))))


(Sorry!  I have a hard time resisting the obvious lines. . . LOL)

Interesting how your career path as led you to progressively less lethal
technologies to work on though. . . ;-))))))))))))))))))))

Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions


                                                                                                                                               
                      Drew Wutka                                                                                                               
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Very funny.  Actually, while I was growing up, everyone thought I was going
to be a Pastor when I grew up.  However, after High School, my career path
went musician, to nuclear mechanic, to general mechanic, to computer geek.
Now my brother (who everyone thought was going to be a musician) is now in
Gettysburg, PA going to Seminary.  Go figure.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: PBudge at cbsol.com [mailto:PBudge at cbsol.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 7:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Phew....made it....



Oddly, I'm betting his mother's hair was completely white by the time he
was 2. . . ;-)))))))))))))))

Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions


  "William Hindman"  <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
To:  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
 Sent by:  accessd-bounces at databasea
Subject:  Re:  [AccessD] Phew....made it....

05/02/2003 01:51 AM
Please respond to accessd

...nah ...natural born masochist :))))

William

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 2:38 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Phew....made it....


> Boy, do you like a challenge!
>
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> > Sent: 02 May 2003 03:36
> > To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: [AccessD] Phew....made it....
> >
> >
> > Well it's now been a solid week and 13 hours since my DSL
> > went online, and thus the archives were back up.  That's more
> > then the 4 day, 2 day, and 36 hour periods combined! <grin>
> >
> > Although, now that the archives are back up, the posting
> > around here has slowed to a crawl, what's up with that?  Do I
> > need to get into a debate with JC or what?
> >
> > A little advanced warning, I am going to try and hack my
> > SpeedStream 5260 DSL modem, to turn it into a SpeedStream
> > 5660 Router this weekend.  Downtime will be in the seconds,
> > but if it completely flops, then I'll need a new DSL
> > modem....so it may be down for a day or two..... <grin>
> >
> > Drew







From markamatte at hotmail.com  Fri May  2 11:17:58 2003
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 16:17:58 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Compact DB
Message-ID: <BAY1-F64gPugu3WOXs800002e3c@hotmail.com>

Ryan,

If it is in A97 I have a sample DB that compacts on close if it is only open 
once...and if it is above a certain size.  It also uses the sendkey method.

Please contact me OFFLINE(not thru the list) if you would like a copy.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte



>From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Compact DB
>Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 10:04:07 -0500
>
>Compact DBIt depends. A2k and > has it on the Tools menu. For A97 use this:
>
>Public Sub SelfCompact()
>       ' Comments   : A massive work around to the lack of compact on close
>in A97.
>       '              Builds a temporary Command Bar and then closes and
>reopens the DB.
>       '              Code credit to Jim Dettman. Online Computer Services 
>of
>WNY, Inc. jimdettman at earthlink.net
>       ' Parameters :  -
>       ' Returns    :  -
>
>       On Error GoTo PROC_ERR
>
>       With CommandBars.Add(, 1, , True)
>          .Controls.Add 1, 2071, , , True
>          .Visible = True
>          .Controls(1).SetFocus
>          DoEvents
>          SendKeys "~"
>       End With
>       Exit Sub
>
>PROC_ERR:
>       MsgBox "The following error occurred: " & Error$
>       Resume Next
>End Sub
>
>HTH
>JB
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Smethurst, Ryan
>Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:16 AM
>To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
>Subject: [AccessD] Compact DB
>
>
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>   Is it possible to compact a db in code when quitting it?
>
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From ryan.smethurst at bromley.gov.uk  Fri May  2 11:23:45 2003
From: ryan.smethurst at bromley.gov.uk (Smethurst, Ryan)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 17:23:45 +0100 
Subject: [AccessD] Eval not working?
Message-ID: <F4FD32CEB33B314B9187B3A6599B3D6E5CAA4B@lbbx2ktemp1.corp.int.bromley.gov.uk>

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Hi All,

I have a series of functions that need to be run one after the other.

They are all prefixed with the "Update_" and I was hoping to simply loop
through labels on a form to complete the names and voila.

But when I use:

strname = First then Second then Third etc etc (example)

Eval("Update_" & strName & "()")

although I get no error, the function isn't called?

Does anyone know why?

TIA
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From: ryan.smethurst at bromley.gov.uk (Smethurst, Ryan)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 17:25:23 +0100 
Subject: [AccessD] Compact DB
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Thanks all!...been a great help and I'm got a solution for them!
 
RyanS

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It depends. A2k and > has it on the Tools menu. For A97 use this:
 
Public Sub SelfCompact()
      ' Comments   : A massive work around to the lack of compact on close
in A97.
      '              Builds a temporary Command Bar and then closes and
reopens the DB.
      '              Code credit to Jim Dettman. Online Computer Services of
WNY, Inc. jimdettman at earthlink.net <mailto:jimdettman at earthlink.net> 
      ' Parameters :  -
      ' Returns    :  -


      On Error GoTo PROC_ERR

      With CommandBars.Add(, 1, , True)
         .Controls.Add 1, 2071, , , True
         .Visible = True
         .Controls(1).SetFocus
         DoEvents
         SendKeys "~"
      End With
      Exit Sub
      
PROC_ERR:
      MsgBox "The following error occurred: " & Error$
      Resume Next
End Sub
 
HTH
JB
 
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Hi Group, 

Is it possible to compact a db in code when quitting it? 

Thanks 
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From artful at rogers.com  Fri May  2 11:21:10 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 12:21:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEBADKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c310c6$d7c448c0$8e01a8c0@Rock>

wXP has an update feature that I have never used. Norton has a copyDrive
tool. But I know what you mean and you have my sympathy. Bin There Dun That
too many bloddy times :-)



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: May 2, 2003 9:57 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


Well, today my NTLDR wouldn't!  Or wasn't, depending on who you talked to!

I never did get it back, but after 4 hours of trying I had succeeded in
getting a floppy to boot (I had a weird boot config as well) and then
succeeded in getting Office apps to run windows setup every time they
loaded, trashed IE and so forth and so on.

So... I went down, bought a new 120mb hard disk, and started over.  I did
this of course so that I didn't overwrite anything (else) in the process of
getting windows working again.  Installed Win2kSP.  Of course no network,
video, sound and most critically drivers for the Promise100 IDE 3/4 where my
old disks now reside.  More hours searching for CDs and floppies for those
things, searching the internet (on my other computer - thank GOD for "the
other computer").

Of course I then spent several hours applying service packs, reloading O2K
(only, so far), Norton utilities, NAV, and am still in the process of
re-installing everything I can think of that I used to have.  The weird
thing is that I have my outlook.pst, but that apparently doesn't have the
personalized settings in it for things like rules, signature, etc.

Anyway, still loading stuff!

WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT
A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A
PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!

My question to you kind folks, where the (*&%)%$#!@ are rules / sig and the
like kept for Outlook?

It seems like you would just copy the entire jcolby user and be back with
all that kind of stuff.  The problem of course is that there is stuff in
there for programs that don't exist (at least in the same place) etc.

Sigh!

John W. Colby


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From jbhuffman at mdh.org  Fri May  2 11:21:37 2003
From: jbhuffman at mdh.org (Huffman, Jarad B.)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 11:21:37 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Access VB question
Message-ID: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B48019356C8@NEWMAN_EXC>

Does anyone know how to programmatically open an access database in VB,
bypassing the startup options?  

Jarad Huffman 
Applications Support Analyst 
Information Systems 
McDonough District Hospital 
Macomb, IL 61455 
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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Fri May  2 11:22:35 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 11:22:35 -0500
Subject: OT - RE: [AccessD] Phew....made it....
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357AB@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Drew,

How did you both go wrong? <VBG>  Have a nice weekend.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
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-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 02 10:52
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Phew....made it....

Very funny.  Actually, while I was growing up, everyone thought I was
going to be a Pastor when I grew up.  However, after High School, my
career path went musician, to nuclear mechanic, to general mechanic, to
computer geek. Now my brother (who everyone thought was going to be a
musician) is now in Gettysburg, PA going to Seminary.  Go figure.

Drew

From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Fri May  2 11:51:36 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 12:51:36 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Function for "scrubbing" strings before inserting t
	hem into SQLstatements?
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA3033310B@ADGSERVER>

I use this:

'add single quotes to beginning/end of a string
Public Function AddQuote(vData As Variant) As String

   If IsNull(vData) Then
      AddQuote = "NULL"
      Else
         AddQuote = "'" & SQLText(CStr(vData)) & "'"
      End If

End Function


Public Function SQLText(lstrIn As String) As String
Dim intStringLocation   As Integer
Dim strLeft             As String
Dim strRight            As String

intStringLocation = 0

intStringLocation = InStr(intStringLocation + 1, lstrIn, "'")

Do While intStringLocation > 0
    strLeft = Left(lstrIn, intStringLocation - 1)
    strRight = Mid(lstrIn, intStringLocation + 1)
    lstrIn = strLeft & "''" & strRight
    intStringLocation = intStringLocation + 2
    intStringLocation = InStr(intStringLocation, lstrIn, "'")
    Loop

SQLText = lstrIn

End Function


--------------------------------------------------
call with:

strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblEmployeeMonthlyTask ([TaskDescription]) VALUES "
strSQL = strSQL & "(" & AddQuote(Request.Form("txtTaskDescription")) & ")"


I make no claims for this code as it is kind of messy and I did not write
all of it.  LOL.  But it does work.  It can be optimized somewhat also.

HTH,
Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael Tucker
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 11:47 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Function for "scrubbing" strings before inserting
them into SQLstatements?


Hi everyone,

I'm sure everybody has faced this situation, but I can't seem to figure out
an elegant solution.  I have a webpage interface to an Access database where
users can enter notes on various things.  Of course the user may enter
apostrophes or quotation marks in these notes, but of course that sends my
SQL statement into a tizzy.  A sample of my SQL statement...

strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblEmployeeMonthlyTask ([TaskDescription]) VALUES "
strSQL = strSQL & "('" & Request.Form("txtTaskDescription") & "')"

Is there a function that will convert my string so that it usable inside of
this SQL statement even if it contains apostrophes and quotes?

Thank you.

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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Fri May  2 11:52:37 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 12:52:37 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD]  Function for "scrubbing" strings before inserting 
	them into SQL statements?
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA3033310C@ADGSERVER>

The code snippet I just sent works in ACC 97 which does not have Replace.
But I agree, Replace is the way to go.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 12:08 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Function for "scrubbing" strings before inserting
them into SQL statements?


Use the replace function, to replace all double quotes, with two double
quotes.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tucker [mailto:mtucker at myrealbox.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 10:47 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Function for "scrubbing" strings before inserting
them into SQL statements?


Hi everyone,

I'm sure everybody has faced this situation, but I can't seem to figure out
an elegant solution.  I have a webpage interface to an Access database where
users can enter notes on various things.  Of course the user may enter
apostrophes or quotation marks in these notes, but of course that sends my
SQL statement into a tizzy.  A sample of my SQL statement...

strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblEmployeeMonthlyTask ([TaskDescription]) VALUES "
strSQL = strSQL & "('" & Request.Form("txtTaskDescription") & "')"

Is there a function that will convert my string so that it usable inside of
this SQL statement even if it contains apostrophes and quotes?

Thank you.

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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Fri May  2 11:49:15 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 12:49:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Eval not working?
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B26@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Ryan,
 
If you're using A2K or greater I think you could try the CallByName function.  I have an example but it's in my laptop at home.
 
HTH, 

Jim DeMarco 
Director of Product Development 
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan 

-----Original Message-----
From: Smethurst, Ryan [mailto:ryan.smethurst at bromley.gov.uk]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 12:24 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Eval not working?



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Hi All, 

I have a series of functions that need to be run one after the other. 

They are all prefixed with the "Update_" and I was hoping to simply loop through labels on a form to complete the names and voila.

But when I use: 

strname = First then Second then Third etc etc (example) 

Eval("Update_" & strName & "()") 

although I get no error, the function isn't called? 

Does anyone know why? 

TIA 
RyanS 



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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri May  2 12:19:25 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 10:19:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!
In-Reply-To: <Law9-F444UBkqvooZtG00023ccc@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFCEHMCHAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Sherri:

I am not familiar with .adp FE but have used AccessXXXX/VBX FE, SQL BE,
Unbound Forms and Recordsets for years. It is all in how you use and set the
recordsets.

First, ODBC is a little slower than ADO-OLE, in some cases much slower.
Second, All lists of downloaded are Read-Only and filled Forms are one
record at a time Read-Only.

Third, When selecting a record for modifying, Read that one record from the
SQL, open Dynamic, lock-it and check the errors.

If it is current being used then someone else the appropriate error code can
be captured. How you handle the locked record is of your own preference.
Maybe a user prompt like 'Current record is already being updated; Try
Again?'...

Fourth, When the user has completed the record, they can save it or moving
off the record cause a 'Do you wish to save' prompt. If the record is saved
the session is closed and they now are just viewing Read-Only records again.

If this method is used right you will be surprised how many users can be
using a BE without time-outs and slow responses.

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Marcus
Tewksbury
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 7:16 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!


Can Anyone Help Me?

I have built a client server application using .adp front end and SQL
Server back end.  Within the application itself I use unbound forms and
retrieve records using ADO recordsets at run time.  The way I have
initially deployed the application is to copy an instance of the .adp to
each desktop and run it locally.  The problem has been that people keep
overwriting each other's updates - and changes are not reflected fast
enough.

I have a couple of different thoughts on how to tackle this - either
ratchet down the ODBC refresh rate, or run a single, centralized copy of
the .adp (which throws up some non-updateable warning every time it
starts which I don't know how to suppress).  Of course, I acknowledge
that I am a total newbie, and both of these options may be flawed.

Thanks a bunch,

- Sherri





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From john at winhaven.net  Fri May  2 12:32:39 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 12:32:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Compact DB
In-Reply-To: <BAY1-F64gPugu3WOXs800002e3c@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIKEOPEGAA.john@winhaven.net>

Mark,
Go ahead and post the code on the list. I think it would be a valuable thing
to add. And then you won't get a bunch of Mee2s.

JB

PS: otherwise Mee2

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 11:18 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Compact DB
>
>
> Ryan,
>
> If it is in A97 I have a sample DB that compacts on close if it
> is only open
> once...and if it is above a certain size.  It also uses the
> sendkey method.
>
> Please contact me OFFLINE(not thru the list) if you would like a copy.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark A. Matte
>
>
>
> >From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
> >Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Compact DB
> >Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 10:04:07 -0500
> >
> >Compact DBIt depends. A2k and > has it on the Tools menu. For
> A97 use this:
> >
> >Public Sub SelfCompact()
> >       ' Comments   : A massive work around to the lack of
> compact on close
> >in A97.
> >       '              Builds a temporary Command Bar and then closes and
> >reopens the DB.
> >       '              Code credit to Jim Dettman. Online
> Computer Services
> >of
> >WNY, Inc. jimdettman at earthlink.net
> >       ' Parameters :  -
> >       ' Returns    :  -
> >
> >       On Error GoTo PROC_ERR
> >
> >       With CommandBars.Add(, 1, , True)
> >          .Controls.Add 1, 2071, , , True
> >          .Visible = True
> >          .Controls(1).SetFocus
> >          DoEvents
> >          SendKeys "~"
> >       End With
> >       Exit Sub
> >
> >PROC_ERR:
> >       MsgBox "The following error occurred: " & Error$
> >       Resume Next
> >End Sub
> >
> >HTH
> >JB
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Smethurst, Ryan
> >Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:16 AM
> >To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> >Subject: [AccessD] Compact DB
> >
> >
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> >
> >   Is it possible to compact a db in code when quitting it?
> >
> >   Thanks
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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Fri May  2 12:34:00 2003
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 21:34:00 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002
References: 	<010801c30ff7$4d44f750$6501a8c0@HAL9002><005e01c31016$88408300$b501010a@DAISY.local>
	<024401c31019$c3f55d50$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <00a601c310d1$06cbba90$b501010a@DAISY.local>

I'm sorry Rocky, I've written 'Add-in' and I meant both A2K-compiled MDE or
Add-in running under AXP.
You may have problems with them, weird unexplainable problems - I'd
recommend to compile MDE under AXP to run it under AXP.

Shamil

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002


> It doesn't use any add-ins (that I know of) and its got full error
trapping
> per Colby.  Am I in the clear?
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 12:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002
>
>
> > <<<
> > will it run?
> > >>>
> > It will, but it may result in runtime errors, which doesn't exist when
A2K
> > Add-in runs under A2K.
> > I'd recommend to compile add-in under AXP and in AXP format.
> >
> > Shamil
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 7:35 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] A2K MDE On A2002
> >
> >
> > Dear List:
> >
> > I'm running A2K.  If I make an MDE out of one of my MDBs and send it to
> > someone running OXP with AXP, will it run?
> >
> > MTIA
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From artful at rogers.com  Fri May  2 13:26:42 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 14:26:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!
In-Reply-To: <Law9-F444UBkqvooZtG00023ccc@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <003901c310d8$6104c9f0$8e01a8c0@Rock>

<rant>
I don't feel like rekindling any bound/unbound wars, so instead I'll try
another tack. The problem is disconnected recordsets, which are very cool if
the liklihood of simultaneous updates of a row is remote. In fact, it's not
so much a database problem as a business practices problem, IMO. What the
hell are two people updating the same row for? There's a problem here and it
doesn't concern the database; it concerns the workflow, which by definition
is outside the specifications. OTOH, excellent arguments from the db folk
occasionally persuade management that the problem is indeed outside the db,
and should be addressed by someone other than you.
</rant>

<reality>
Given that you must prevent simultaneous updates of a set of rows, and given
that you have taken the unbound path, without a massive rewrite I think your
quickest option is to revisit all the recordset declarations, setting
Pessimism TRUE in your rs.open() arguments. This effectively offloads the
problem to the db, which is good, since it won't allow your users to
overwrite each other even if your app in theory does. (That's why I always
put all the smarts into sprocs and rules and such, rather than coding them
in Access. Then, even if your app is buggy, it doesn't matter:-) Lock it all
down with pessimistic recordsets and go from there. You can probably visit
every occurenece with a project-wide search, and paste the revised string
in.
</reality>

<fantasy>
I'm having difficulty coming up with an example where multiple users would
want to update the same rows. A wife and husband are both phoning to
complain about a VISA charge? Three employees are calling from Client X to
revise the purchase quantities in the details of OrderID 2345?

Multiple people updating identical rows = a workflow problem, IMO. In a
well-designed workflow, this should never occur.

Making this point at your next meeting, you are given a 100% salary boost,
several opportunities for sex with strangers, and the pleasure of watching
the entire organization reconfigure itself to your insights. Suddenly they
appreciate how brilliant you are and shape their enterprise around you.
Billions at stake, all on your mind.
</fantasy>

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Tewksbury
Sent: May 2, 2003 10:16 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!


Can Anyone Help Me?

I have built a client server application using .adp front end and SQL Server
back end.  Within the application itself I use unbound forms and retrieve
records using ADO recordsets at run time.  The way I have initially deployed
the application is to copy an instance of the .adp to each desktop and run
it locally.  The problem has been that people keep overwriting each other's
updates - and changes are not reflected fast enough.

I have a couple of different thoughts on how to tackle this - either ratchet
down the ODBC refresh rate, or run a single, centralized copy of the .adp
(which throws up some non-updateable warning every time it starts which I
don't know how to suppress).  Of course, I acknowledge that I am a total
newbie, and both of these options may be flawed.

Thanks a bunch,

- Sherri





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From delliker at hotmail.com  Fri May  2 13:54:46 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 14:54:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Class not registered
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From mtucker at myrealbox.com  Fri May  2 14:10:21 2003
From: mtucker at myrealbox.com (Michael Tucker)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 15:10:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD]  Function for "scrubbing" strings before inserting them
	into SQL statements?
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D829F2@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <200305021910.h42JAAg21515@databaseadvisors.com>

Thanks for the response.  My brain is a little fuzzy on this, all these
quotation marks are turning my eyes to mush...

Replace (mystring, """", """""")

Is this what I'm looking for or is there a better way using chr codes and
what not?


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 12:08 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'

Use the replace function, to replace all double quotes, with two double
quotes.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tucker [mailto:mtucker at myrealbox.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 10:47 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Function for "scrubbing" strings before inserting them
into SQL statements?


Hi everyone,

I'm sure everybody has faced this situation, but I can't seem to figure out
an elegant solution.  I have a webpage interface to an Access database where
users can enter notes on various things.  Of course the user may enter
apostrophes or quotation marks in these notes, but of course that sends my
SQL statement into a tizzy.  A sample of my SQL statement...

strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblEmployeeMonthlyTask ([TaskDescription]) VALUES "
strSQL = strSQL & "('" & Request.Form("txtTaskDescription") & "')"

Is there a function that will convert my string so that it usable inside of
this SQL statement even if it contains apostrophes and quotes?

Thank you.

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From delliker at hotmail.com  Fri May  2 14:15:57 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 15:15:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Function for "scrubbing" strings before inserting
	theminto SQL statements?
Message-ID: <Law12-F24L2jpWkfb8100017e78@hotmail.com>

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  2 14:20:22 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 14:20:22 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD]OT Phew....made it....
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D829F3@main2.marlow.com>

I think they have gotten more lethal.  As far as a church surviving
me...only by the grace of God.  <pun intended>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: PBudge at cbsol.com [mailto:PBudge at cbsol.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 11:16 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD]OT Phew....made it....



!!!!!  YOU??  DREW WUTKA the inveterate tinkerer?  A PASTOR???????

Given all your recent adventures, would your church have SURVIVED you being
a pastor?  ;-))))))))))))))))))))))


(Sorry!  I have a hard time resisting the obvious lines. . . LOL)

Interesting how your career path as led you to progressively less lethal
technologies to work on though. . . ;-))))))))))))))))))))

Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions


 

                      Drew Wutka

                      <DWUTKA at marlow.com>              To:
"'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

                      Sent by:                         cc:

                      accessd-bounces at databasea        Subject:  RE:
[AccessD] Phew....made it....                                             
                      dvisors.com

 

 

                      05/02/2003 10:52 AM

                      Please respond to accessd

 

 





Very funny.  Actually, while I was growing up, everyone thought I was going
to be a Pastor when I grew up.  However, after High School, my career path
went musician, to nuclear mechanic, to general mechanic, to computer geek.
Now my brother (who everyone thought was going to be a musician) is now in
Gettysburg, PA going to Seminary.  Go figure.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: PBudge at cbsol.com [mailto:PBudge at cbsol.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 7:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Phew....made it....



Oddly, I'm betting his mother's hair was completely white by the time he
was 2. . . ;-)))))))))))))))

Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions


  "William Hindman"  <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
To:  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
 Sent by:  accessd-bounces at databasea
Subject:  Re:  [AccessD] Phew....made it....

05/02/2003 01:51 AM
Please respond to accessd

...nah ...natural born masochist :))))

William

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 2:38 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Phew....made it....


> Boy, do you like a challenge!
>
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> > Sent: 02 May 2003 03:36
> > To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: [AccessD] Phew....made it....
> >
> >
> > Well it's now been a solid week and 13 hours since my DSL
> > went online, and thus the archives were back up.  That's more
> > then the 4 day, 2 day, and 36 hour periods combined! <grin>
> >
> > Although, now that the archives are back up, the posting
> > around here has slowed to a crawl, what's up with that?  Do I
> > need to get into a debate with JC or what?
> >
> > A little advanced warning, I am going to try and hack my
> > SpeedStream 5260 DSL modem, to turn it into a SpeedStream
> > 5660 Router this weekend.  Downtime will be in the seconds,
> > but if it completely flops, then I'll need a new DSL
> > modem....so it may be down for a day or two..... <grin>
> >
> > Drew






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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  2 14:21:25 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 14:21:25 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD]  Function for "scrubbing" strings before inserting 
	 them into SQL statements?
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D829F4@main2.marlow.com>

Absolutely....it's my only gripe with 97 is the lack of certain VB 6
capabilities.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 11:53 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Function for "scrubbing" strings before inserting
them into SQL statements?


The code snippet I just sent works in ACC 97 which does not have Replace.
But I agree, Replace is the way to go.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 12:08 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Function for "scrubbing" strings before inserting
them into SQL statements?


Use the replace function, to replace all double quotes, with two double
quotes.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tucker [mailto:mtucker at myrealbox.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 10:47 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Function for "scrubbing" strings before inserting
them into SQL statements?


Hi everyone,

I'm sure everybody has faced this situation, but I can't seem to figure out
an elegant solution.  I have a webpage interface to an Access database where
users can enter notes on various things.  Of course the user may enter
apostrophes or quotation marks in these notes, but of course that sends my
SQL statement into a tizzy.  A sample of my SQL statement...

strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblEmployeeMonthlyTask ([TaskDescription]) VALUES "
strSQL = strSQL & "('" & Request.Form("txtTaskDescription") & "')"

Is there a function that will convert my string so that it usable inside of
this SQL statement even if it contains apostrophes and quotes?

Thank you.

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  2 14:22:46 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 14:22:46 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD]  Function for "scrubbing" strings before inserting 
	them into SQL statements?
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D829F5@main2.marlow.com>

That should work, but I personally would write it:

Replace(mystring,Chr(34),Chr(34) & Chr(34))

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tucker [mailto:mtucker at myrealbox.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 2:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Function for "scrubbing" strings before inserting
them into SQL statements?


Thanks for the response.  My brain is a little fuzzy on this, all these
quotation marks are turning my eyes to mush...

Replace (mystring, """", """""")

Is this what I'm looking for or is there a better way using chr codes and
what not?


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 12:08 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'

Use the replace function, to replace all double quotes, with two double
quotes.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Tucker [mailto:mtucker at myrealbox.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 10:47 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Function for "scrubbing" strings before inserting them
into SQL statements?


Hi everyone,

I'm sure everybody has faced this situation, but I can't seem to figure out
an elegant solution.  I have a webpage interface to an Access database where
users can enter notes on various things.  Of course the user may enter
apostrophes or quotation marks in these notes, but of course that sends my
SQL statement into a tizzy.  A sample of my SQL statement...

strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblEmployeeMonthlyTask ([TaskDescription]) VALUES "
strSQL = strSQL & "('" & Request.Form("txtTaskDescription") & "')"

Is there a function that will convert my string so that it usable inside of
this SQL statement even if it contains apostrophes and quotes?

Thank you.

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From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Fri May  2 15:03:32 2003
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 15:03:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Error Number - A2K - Urgent
Message-ID: <FKEBJOENDDBJHLINGOBHGECIEIAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

Please Help.

I need to know what Error 1517 is.

Reuben Cummings
Director of Software Development
GFC, LLC
phone: 812.523.1017
email: reuben at gfconsultants.com


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri May  2 15:17:59 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 15:17:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)
In-Reply-To: <003901c310d8$6104c9f0$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <000001c310e7$f0410a70$de1811d8@DanWaters>

Arthur,

The databases I design typically handle some type of QA process in a
manufacturing environment.  One of the advantages of using an electronic
system over a paper form system is the ability for people to work
(almost) in parallel - which leads to the real occurrence of
simultaneous updates.  So, I always use pessimistic locking, and on the
one process where people felt slowed down, I installed a timer on that
form so that it closed after 5 minutes with no activity, releasing the
locks on the table (that was in A97).

I am starting to look at upsizing this db to SQL 2000.  From what I
understand, I may not be able to use pessimistic locking the same way
that I did in AXP.  

If this is the case, what is the best way to duplicate the pessimistic
locking behavior of AXP in SQL 2K?

Thanks,
Dan Waters


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 12:27 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!


<rant>
I don't feel like rekindling any bound/unbound wars, so instead I'll try
another tack. The problem is disconnected recordsets, which are very
cool if the liklihood of simultaneous updates of a row is remote. In
fact, it's not so much a database problem as a business practices
problem, IMO. What the hell are two people updating the same row for?
There's a problem here and it doesn't concern the database; it concerns
the workflow, which by definition is outside the specifications. OTOH,
excellent arguments from the db folk occasionally persuade management
that the problem is indeed outside the db, and should be addressed by
someone other than you. </rant>

<reality>
Given that you must prevent simultaneous updates of a set of rows, and
given that you have taken the unbound path, without a massive rewrite I
think your quickest option is to revisit all the recordset declarations,
setting Pessimism TRUE in your rs.open() arguments. This effectively
offloads the problem to the db, which is good, since it won't allow your
users to overwrite each other even if your app in theory does. (That's
why I always put all the smarts into sprocs and rules and such, rather
than coding them in Access. Then, even if your app is buggy, it doesn't
matter:-) Lock it all down with pessimistic recordsets and go from
there. You can probably visit every occurenece with a project-wide
search, and paste the revised string in. </reality>

<fantasy>
I'm having difficulty coming up with an example where multiple users
would want to update the same rows. A wife and husband are both phoning
to complain about a VISA charge? Three employees are calling from Client
X to revise the purchase quantities in the details of OrderID 2345?

Multiple people updating identical rows = a workflow problem, IMO. In a
well-designed workflow, this should never occur.

Making this point at your next meeting, you are given a 100% salary
boost, several opportunities for sex with strangers, and the pleasure of
watching the entire organization reconfigure itself to your insights.
Suddenly they appreciate how brilliant you are and shape their
enterprise around you. Billions at stake, all on your mind. </fantasy>

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Marcus
Tewksbury
Sent: May 2, 2003 10:16 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!


Can Anyone Help Me?

I have built a client server application using .adp front end and SQL
Server back end.  Within the application itself I use unbound forms and
retrieve records using ADO recordsets at run time.  The way I have
initially deployed the application is to copy an instance of the .adp to
each desktop and run it locally.  The problem has been that people keep
overwriting each other's updates - and changes are not reflected fast
enough.

I have a couple of different thoughts on how to tackle this - either
ratchet down the ODBC refresh rate, or run a single, centralized copy of
the .adp (which throws up some non-updateable warning every time it
starts which I don't know how to suppress).  Of course, I acknowledge
that I am a total newbie, and both of these options may be flawed.

Thanks a bunch,

- Sherri





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From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Fri May  2 15:22:04 2003
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 16:22:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Error Number - A2K - Urgent
Message-ID: <FED384E544086A47AAC07C0999BE8D175B6FFF@albmsx2k.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Found this thread from a google search
HTH

http://www.granite.ab.ca/access/reservederror1517.htm

Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us


-----Original Message-----
From: Reuben Cummings [mailto:reuben at gfconsultants.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 4:04 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Error Number - A2K - Urgent


Please Help.

I need to know what Error 1517 is.

Reuben Cummings
Director of Software Development
GFC, LLC
phone: 812.523.1017
email: reuben at gfconsultants.com

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri May  2 15:56:58 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 13:56:58 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Error Number - A2K - Urgent
References: <FKEBJOENDDBJHLINGOBHGECIEIAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>
Message-ID: <3EB2DB9A.2060806@shaw.ca>

If a jet error 1517   Column Id Incorrect
 From function AccessError(1517)
Application-defined or object-defined error

 Clear as mud Eh?


Reuben Cummings wrote:

>Please Help.
>
>I need to know what Error 1517 is.
>
>Reuben Cummings
>Director of Software Development
>GFC, LLC
>phone: 812.523.1017
>email: reuben at gfconsultants.com
>
>_______________________________________________
>AccessD mailing list
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>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>  
>



From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri May  2 16:51:07 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 14:51:07 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access VB question
In-Reply-To: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B48019356C8@NEWMAN_EXC>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFCEIBCHAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Access VB questionHi Jarad:

Assuming you are using ADO-OLE and have your MS Recordset object Library
attached here is the code I would use:

Public Sub GetConnected()
    Dim gconROD As ADODB.Connection
    Dim gstrConnection As String
    Dim gsDBPFName As String

    On Error GoTo Err_GetConnected

    gsDBPFName = \\Myserver\MyDBDirectory\rod.mdb

    gstrConnection = "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;" & _
                    "Persist Security Info=False;" & _
                    "Data Source=" & gsDBPFName

    Set gconROD = New ADODB.Connection
    gconROD.Open gstrConnection

Exit_GetConnected:
    Exit Sub

Err_GetConnected:
    ShowErrMsg ("GetConnected")
    Resume Exit_GetConnected

End Sub

This is of course overly simplified but...
HTH
Jim
  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Huffman, Jarad B.
  Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 9:22 AM
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: [AccessD] Access VB question


  Does anyone know how to programmatically open an access database in VB,
bypassing the startup options?

  Jarad Huffman
  Applications Support Analyst
  Information Systems
  McDonough District Hospital
  Macomb, IL 61455
  (309) 833-4101


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From bbruen at bigpond.com  Fri May  2 17:05:36 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 08:05:36 +1000
Subject: Bruce Bruen's email Client   Was: RE: [AccessD] OT:
	^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@
In-Reply-To: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E293AC@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <002601c310f6$f66d3fe0$be75fea9@bbb888>

Hmmmm..

I thought I was sending plain text. I am using Outlook XP (no mail
server)

The other day I was asking about invoking VBA procedures automatically,
during that time I came across the same feature as John Colby - the so
called outlook object model security.  During my investigation of this I
created a verisign cert and an office self cert so I could get my
outlook code to run without lowering the outlook (xp) security level.  

The cert I am now usiinng should be the self cert and I therefore
presumed that it wasn't being sent.  

This reply should be plain text -- if it isnt please tell me ( and how
to fix it if possible)

Sorry for the inconvenience - 
Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mitsules,
Mark
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 12:46 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: OT: Re: Bruce Bruen's email Client Was: RE: [AccessD] OT:
^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


Bruce,

...just curious, no flames intended, honestly, but what email client are
you using, what format are you sending your emails, and what, if
anything else are you attaching when you post to AccessD?  The reason I
ask is because with my Win2K/Outlook2K2 setup, the emails I receive from
you are 3 levels deep.  The first consists of the AccessD footer and 1
attachment ("Untitled
Attachment") with no "body".  When I open the "Untitled Attachment",
there is another blank email consisting of 2 more attachments
("ATT2303090.txt" and "smime.p7s").  If I open the "smime.p7s"
attachment, it appears to be a certificate...(which I have no problem
with).  The actual content of your email is in the "ATT2303090.txt"
attachment...whoohoo!

My question is this, is there some setting on MY machine that I can set
so it will just interpret all of this mess as just a plain textual email
response?


Thanks to all for any suggestions,


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Bruen [mailto:bbruen at bigpond.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 10:17 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  2 17:15:35 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 17:15:35 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Error Number - A2K - Urgent
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D829F6@main2.marlow.com>

I don't see 1517 in 97's error codes.  What version of Access...and where is
the error occurring?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Reuben Cummings [mailto:reuben at gfconsultants.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 3:04 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Error Number - A2K - Urgent


Please Help.

I need to know what Error 1517 is.

Reuben Cummings
Director of Software Development
GFC, LLC
phone: 812.523.1017
email: reuben at gfconsultants.com

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  2 17:17:38 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 17:17:38 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Access VB question
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D829F7@main2.marlow.com>

I may be mistaken, but nothing in that code bypasses the startup stuff. 
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 4:51 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access VB question


Hi Jarad:
 
Assuming you are using ADO-OLE and have your MS Recordset object Library
attached here is the code I would use:
 
Public Sub GetConnected()
    Dim gconROD As ADODB.Connection
    Dim gstrConnection As String
    Dim gsDBPFName As String

    On Error GoTo Err_GetConnected
    
    gsDBPFName =  \\Myserver\MyDBDirectory\rod.mdb
<file://\\Myserver\MyDBDirectory\rod.mdb> 

    gstrConnection = "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;" & _
                    "Persist Security Info=False;" & _
                    "Data Source=" & gsDBPFName
                    
    Set gconROD = New ADODB.Connection
    gconROD.Open gstrConnection
    
Exit_GetConnected:
    Exit Sub
    
Err_GetConnected:
    ShowErrMsg ("GetConnected")
    Resume Exit_GetConnected
    
End Sub
 
This is of course overly simplified but...
HTH
Jim

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Huffman, Jarad B.
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 9:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access VB question



Does anyone know how to programmatically open an access database in VB,
bypassing the startup options?  

Jarad Huffman 
Applications Support Analyst 
Information Systems 
McDonough District Hospital 
Macomb, IL 61455 
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From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 17:18:32 -0500 
Subject: Bruce Bruen's email Client   Was: RE: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&
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The attachment is plain text, but the email is showing up as an attachment
still.

Drew

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From harkins at iglou.com  Fri May  2 17:26:35 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 18:26:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access VB question
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D829F7@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <004001c310f9$e648aed0$b8e6ffcc@SusanOne>

Access VB questionIf you could someone set the Access database setting the AllowBypassKey property before you try to open it in VB? Do you have to disable it from inside VB?

Susan H. 

  I may be mistaken, but nothing in that code bypasses the startup stuff. 

  Drew


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From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 08:32:59 +1000
Subject: Bruce Bruen's email Client   Was: RE: [AccessD] OT:
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Bugger!

How about now - I've jigged a few options.

Tia
 Bruce

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The attachment is plain text, but the email is showing up as an
attachment still.

Drew

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri May  2 17:57:56 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 15:57:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!
In-Reply-To: <003901c310d8$6104c9f0$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFIEICCHAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Arthur:

I really do not want to start discussing bound and unbound issues here but
when you make totally incorrect statement related to my post I have no other
recourse but to respond. This is the scenario:

1. Selecting records from a list.. These records are disconnected Read-Only
recordset. This will be displayed in some sort of list. Authors choice.

2. Just viewing full records... The contents of this display is retrieved
and displayed at the user's moment of viewing. Again a Read-Only recordset,
ONE record.

3. Only when the user selects the Form record for modification then a
DYNAMIC, LOCKED recordset is opened and the Form filled. That record then
REMAINS locked, Dynamically connected until the user SAVES the record. (This
locks the record from anyone else attempting to access it, with a similar
method.) Any user attempting to access that record for modification will
receive a message indicating that the current record is open by another
user. They are then prompted to Retry or Abandon. PLEASE NOTE That
disconnect recordsets are not used when UPDATING a record.

This process works very well and systems with as many as thirty-eight
offices (how many individuals is anyone guess) can simultaneously access the
SQL data. The process is very fast, reliable, never over-write someone's
entry and is not prone to data loss when the connections are dropped.

I am glad you stated the rest as fantasy. Methods very similarly to this are
used on the web all the time. I am never concerned about losing my purchase
amount. Actually I wouldn't mind if they would, just send the product.

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 11:27 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!


<rant>
I don't feel like rekindling any bound/unbound wars, so instead I'll try
another tack. The problem is disconnected recordsets, which are very cool if
the liklihood of simultaneous updates of a row is remote. In fact, it's not
so much a database problem as a business practices problem, IMO. What the
hell are two people updating the same row for? There's a problem here and it
doesn't concern the database; it concerns the workflow, which by definition
is outside the specifications. OTOH, excellent arguments from the db folk
occasionally persuade management that the problem is indeed outside the db,
and should be addressed by someone other than you.
</rant>

<reality>
Given that you must prevent simultaneous updates of a set of rows, and given
that you have taken the unbound path, without a massive rewrite I think your
quickest option is to revisit all the recordset declarations, setting
Pessimism TRUE in your rs.open() arguments. This effectively offloads the
problem to the db, which is good, since it won't allow your users to
overwrite each other even if your app in theory does. (That's why I always
put all the smarts into sprocs and rules and such, rather than coding them
in Access. Then, even if your app is buggy, it doesn't matter:-) Lock it all
down with pessimistic recordsets and go from there. You can probably visit
every occurenece with a project-wide search, and paste the revised string
in.
</reality>

<fantasy>
I'm having difficulty coming up with an example where multiple users would
want to update the same rows. A wife and husband are both phoning to
complain about a VISA charge? Three employees are calling from Client X to
revise the purchase quantities in the details of OrderID 2345?

Multiple people updating identical rows = a workflow problem, IMO. In a
well-designed workflow, this should never occur.

Making this point at your next meeting, you are given a 100% salary boost,
several opportunities for sex with strangers, and the pleasure of watching
the entire organization reconfigure itself to your insights. Suddenly they
appreciate how brilliant you are and shape their enterprise around you.
Billions at stake, all on your mind.
</fantasy>

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Tewksbury
Sent: May 2, 2003 10:16 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!


Can Anyone Help Me?

I have built a client server application using .adp front end and SQL Server
back end.  Within the application itself I use unbound forms and retrieve
records using ADO recordsets at run time.  The way I have initially deployed
the application is to copy an instance of the .adp to each desktop and run
it locally.  The problem has been that people keep overwriting each other's
updates - and changes are not reflected fast enough.

I have a couple of different thoughts on how to tackle this - either ratchet
down the ODBC refresh rate, or run a single, centralized copy of the .adp
(which throws up some non-updateable warning every time it starts which I
don't know how to suppress).  Of course, I acknowledge that I am a total
newbie, and both of these options may be flawed.

Thanks a bunch,

- Sherri





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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  2 18:06:18 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 18:06:18 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Access VB question
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D829FC@main2.marlow.com>

Yes, but that only sets whether the shift key bypasses the startup or not.
It doesn't actually trigger it.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:27 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access VB question


If you could someone set the Access database setting the AllowBypassKey
property before you try to open it in VB? Do you have to disable it from
inside VB?
 
Susan H. 


I may be mistaken, but nothing in that code bypasses the startup stuff. 
 
Drew


 

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  2 18:06:33 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 18:06:33 -0500 
Subject: Bruce Bruen's email Client   Was: RE: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&
	^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D829FD@main2.marlow.com>

Bingo...at least for me!

Drew

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From: Bruce Bruen [mailto:bbruen at bigpond.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:33 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Re: Bruce Bruen's email Client Was: RE: [AccessD] OT:
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Bugger!

How about now - I've jigged a few options.

Tia
 Bruce

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 8:19 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: Re: Bruce Bruen's email Client Was: RE: [AccessD] OT:
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The attachment is plain text, but the email is showing up as an
attachment still.

Drew

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From harkins at iglou.com  Fri May  2 18:21:20 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 19:21:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access VB question
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D829FC@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <002101c31101$8c86f480$afe6ffcc@SusanOne>

Access VB questionI know, but without giving it too much thought, I thought it might be a place to start -- don't really know what the real problem is. 

Susan H. 


  Yes, but that only sets whether the shift key bypasses the startup or not.  It doesn't actually trigger it.

  Drew
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com]
    Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:27 PM
    To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access VB question


    If you could someone set the Access database setting the AllowBypassKey property before you try to open it in VB? Do you have to disable it from inside VB?

    Susan H. 

      I may be mistaken, but nothing in that code bypasses the startup stuff. 

      Drew

         
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  2 18:30:54 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 18:30:54 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Access VB question
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D829FE@main2.marlow.com>

I didn't write the original post, but it said the issue was opening an
instance of Access, with VB/VBA, and then opening a database, without the
startup running.
 
As far as I know, there are only two ways to do this.  One method is to
disable the startup from with the database itself.  ie, have it look for a
specific flag in a record, or have it check for a specific command line
argument, so that when it starts, the startup code checks that 'trigger',
and then stops...effectively 'bypassing' the startup stuff.  The other
method is to actually open the database and use a 'sendkeys' approach to
have the shift key held when the code opens the database.  
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 6:21 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access VB question


I know, but without giving it too much thought, I thought it might be a
place to start -- don't really know what the real problem is. 
 
Susan H. 

 

Yes, but that only sets whether the shift key bypasses the startup or not.
It doesn't actually trigger it.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:27 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access VB question


If you could someone set the Access database setting the AllowBypassKey
property before you try to open it in VB? Do you have to disable it from
inside VB?
 
Susan H. 


I may be mistaken, but nothing in that code bypasses the startup stuff. 
 
Drew


 

Does anyone know how to programmatically open an access database in VB,
bypassing the startup options?  



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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri May  2 18:33:58 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 09:33:58 +1000
Subject: Record Locking - was RE: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!
In-Reply-To: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F877EA@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <3EB38D06.6408.327065@localhost>

On 2 May 2003 at 9:50, Wortz, Charles wrote:

> Marcus,
> 
> If more than one person is trying to update the same record at the
> same time, it sounds as if you have poor business procedures in place.
>  In an organized organization two or more people do not to try to
> update the same record at the same time!
> 

I can think of lots of examples to the contrary.

One obvious one - multiple operators recording  manufacturing 
processes which use the same raw materials (I have one paint 
manufactuing client where this applies). 



 
-- 
Lexacorp Ltd
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
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Support.




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri May  2 18:33:58 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 09:33:58 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Phew....made it....
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D829EE@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <3EB38D06.4469.327015@localhost>

On 2 May 2003 at 10:52, Drew Wutka wrote:

> Very funny.  Actually, while I was growing up, everyone thought I was
> going to be a Pastor when I grew up.  However, after High School, my
> career path went musician, to nuclear mechanic, to general mechanic,
> to computer geek. Now my brother (who everyone thought was going to be
> a musician) is now in Gettysburg, PA going to Seminary.  Go figure.
> 

It's not too late:
http://www.ulc.org

Cheers,
The Reverend Stuart  <g>




From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri May  2 19:18:24 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 17:18:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging
Message-ID: <00b201c31109$834c7630$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Dear List:

I have a report that consists of eight sub reports.  Each sub-report can be of a different length.  Each sub-report has a report header with some descriptive text.  

The problem is that the main report page breaks in odd places sometimes even cutting a line of the subreport in half horizontally!

I can, of course, insert an invisible page break between each sub-report and make it visible if I'm close to the bottom of the page.  But I don't know how to know, during the printing of the sub-report, where I am on the main report.

Anybody got any ideas?

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
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From harkins at iglou.com  Fri May  2 19:39:13 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 20:39:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access VB question
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D829FE@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <003501c3110c$717971d0$afe6ffcc@SusanOne>

Access VB question One method is to disable the startup from with the database itself.  ie, have it look for a specific flag in a record, or have it check for a specific command line argument, so that when it starts, the startup code checks that 'trigger', and then stops...effectively 'bypassing' the startup stuff.  

========Exactly, but what I'm suggesting is that the problem may need a change of strategy.... some "trigger" within the db itself that knows when to reset the check -- such a "clue" may not exist. 

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From artful at rogers.com  Fri May  2 20:07:33 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 21:07:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)
In-Reply-To: <000001c310e7$f0410a70$de1811d8@DanWaters>
Message-ID: <005701c31110$60dde690$8e01a8c0@Rock>

Well here we go into uncharted waters. Certain publications by MS suggest
that unbound forms are the way to go. I vigourously dispute this. I think
that bound forms tied to sprocs are the way to go. Then you can sidestep a
zillion unbound-form problems. But here I go proselitizing bound forms when
that was not my original intention.

IMO, and that's all it is, I don't claim expertise only experience, bind
your forms to sprocs. Recently I learned a cool trick which lets me pass
arguments like "All", "All" to various forms, reports &c. Everything works
from sprocs. Recordsets open their stuff pessismistically. This is a simple
argument to the rs.Open method. Let intelliSense do your typing :-)

IME you're far better off to go with boound forms and pessimistic logic than
unbound disconnected recordsets, given the logic of your scenario. Which I
would question, but that's a side issue.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: May 2, 2003 4:18 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)


Arthur,

The databases I design typically handle some type of QA process in a
manufacturing environment.  One of the advantages of using an electronic
system over a paper form system is the ability for people to work
(almost) in parallel - which leads to the real occurrence of simultaneous
updates.  So, I always use pessimistic locking, and on the one process where
people felt slowed down, I installed a timer on that form so that it closed
after 5 minutes with no activity, releasing the locks on the table (that was
in A97).

I am starting to look at upsizing this db to SQL 2000.  From what I
understand, I may not be able to use pessimistic locking the same way that I
did in AXP.  

If this is the case, what is the best way to duplicate the pessimistic
locking behavior of AXP in SQL 2K?

Thanks,
Dan Waters


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 12:27 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!


<rant>
I don't feel like rekindling any bound/unbound wars, so instead I'll try
another tack. The problem is disconnected recordsets, which are very cool if
the liklihood of simultaneous updates of a row is remote. In fact, it's not
so much a database problem as a business practices problem, IMO. What the
hell are two people updating the same row for? There's a problem here and it
doesn't concern the database; it concerns the workflow, which by definition
is outside the specifications. OTOH, excellent arguments from the db folk
occasionally persuade management that the problem is indeed outside the db,
and should be addressed by someone other than you. </rant>

<reality>
Given that you must prevent simultaneous updates of a set of rows, and given
that you have taken the unbound path, without a massive rewrite I think your
quickest option is to revisit all the recordset declarations, setting
Pessimism TRUE in your rs.open() arguments. This effectively offloads the
problem to the db, which is good, since it won't allow your users to
overwrite each other even if your app in theory does. (That's why I always
put all the smarts into sprocs and rules and such, rather than coding them
in Access. Then, even if your app is buggy, it doesn't
matter:-) Lock it all down with pessimistic recordsets and go from there.
You can probably visit every occurenece with a project-wide search, and
paste the revised string in. </reality>

<fantasy>
I'm having difficulty coming up with an example where multiple users would
want to update the same rows. A wife and husband are both phoning to
complain about a VISA charge? Three employees are calling from Client X to
revise the purchase quantities in the details of OrderID 2345?

Multiple people updating identical rows = a workflow problem, IMO. In a
well-designed workflow, this should never occur.

Making this point at your next meeting, you are given a 100% salary boost,
several opportunities for sex with strangers, and the pleasure of watching
the entire organization reconfigure itself to your insights. Suddenly they
appreciate how brilliant you are and shape their enterprise around you.
Billions at stake, all on your mind. </fantasy>

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Tewksbury
Sent: May 2, 2003 10:16 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!


Can Anyone Help Me?

I have built a client server application using .adp front end and SQL Server
back end.  Within the application itself I use unbound forms and retrieve
records using ADO recordsets at run time.  The way I have initially deployed
the application is to copy an instance of the .adp to each desktop and run
it locally.  The problem has been that people keep overwriting each other's
updates - and changes are not reflected fast enough.

I have a couple of different thoughts on how to tackle this - either ratchet
down the ODBC refresh rate, or run a single, centralized copy of the .adp
(which throws up some non-updateable warning every time it starts which I
don't know how to suppress).  Of course, I acknowledge that I am a total
newbie, and both of these options may be flawed.

Thanks a bunch,

- Sherri





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From artful at rogers.com  Fri May  2 20:17:41 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 21:17:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Phew....made it....
In-Reply-To: <3EB38D06.4469.327015@localhost>
Message-ID: <005801c31111$cb541f70$8e01a8c0@Rock>

Fuller's Third Law: whatever you study will not be the way you make your
living.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: May 2, 2003 7:34 PM
To: Drew Wutka; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Phew....made it....


On 2 May 2003 at 10:52, Drew Wutka wrote:

> Very funny.  Actually, while I was growing up, everyone thought I was 
> going to be a Pastor when I grew up.  However, after High School, my 
> career path went musician, to nuclear mechanic, to general mechanic, 
> to computer geek. Now my brother (who everyone thought was going to be 
> a musician) is now in Gettysburg, PA going to Seminary.  Go figure.
> 



From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  2 20:21:08 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 20:21:08 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Access VB question
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82A00@main2.marlow.com>

Okay, I am going to explain what's going on with this article in an email,
don't have time right now to do it within the Word document.  First of all,
I appreciate the comments, it is definitely a learning experience.
 
Next, this is a hack....it is something Microsoft has never published, and
was a pain to figure out, but I did figure it out.  That is the reason for
the term 'trick', because this is most definitely a trick, not something
microsoft had in mind for design.  Let me explain what is going on, so you
understand the logic behind this whole thing.
 
FrontPage is a web page editor.  Web pages are just HTML, so you can just
use Notepad.  Because of that, FP needs features that are more difficult to
perform by hand, so that it sells.  On such feature is it's Navigation
(which would be a noun, just like VBE, it's a component of FP, which makes
it an object.).  The navigation is pretty simple to use.  When you are
building a site within FrontPage, you can simply drag your pages into the
Navigation structure, and it keeps track of it.  It keeps track of it WITHIN
the structure.cnf file (for that particular site.....so if it is a local
site, or you are publishing the site without FP extensions, then the
structure.cnf is going to be on your local machine....if you are using an
IIS server (which I think should be called just that.....since IIS is just a
service ON a server.), and have FP extensions installed, then the
structure.cnf is located on the IIS server itself.
 
Now, FP uses the Navigation strictly for Navigation bars.  These navigation
bars are built by web bots, and use the data within structure.cnf.  For
example, if you go to www.marlow.com <http://www.marlow.com> , you'll see an
example of a navigation bar.  The 'links' on the home page a 'built' from
FP's navigation.  If I go into FrontPage and rearrange the navigation, the
navigation bars automatically reflect the changes made.  Pretty handy.
Front page does let you programmatically mess with the Navigation stuff,
however that's only when YOUR FP is open.  If someone else makes a change to
the site, code on your machine won't pick that up.  Now, since FP uses
structure.cnf to store the information on how the Navigation is structured,
it was simply a matter of finding that (friggin <grin>) file.  That was no
easy matter.  To begin with, it's a hidden file...really hidden, and if I
didn't have direct access to our IIS server, I probably never would have
found it.  Next, the file extension is tricky.  Even when I found the
appropriate folder, I couldn't directly open the file, which makes it
difficult to find out if a file is the right file or not.  That's why I
explained how to open it.  I many people are 'experienced' with Notepad,
however, I have NEVER seen a file act like this one, ever before.
Typically, if you find a file, that has an extension that you want to open
it with something else, then you can right click (or shift right click) and
you'll get the 'Open With' option.  This did NOT do this.  .cnf is a special
file extension that Windows Explorer uses a special shortcut menu for.  It's
odd.
 
In reality, if the user has an IIS server, and FP extensions, they can just
use the code...it's that simple.  However, I figured it would make a better
article if information on how to 'hack' or how it was 'hacked' was provided.
There are other perks you can receive once you understand how FP's
Navigation uses this file.  For instance, the Navigation won't let you put
the same page into it twice.  However, with direct access to the file, and
understanding how the file works, you CAN add the same page to the
navigation structure as many times as you want.  (This is really handy if
you have an ASP page that you want shown in the navigation at several
junctures......)
 
So, in conclusion, the .asp code reads the structure.cnf file that is
already located on the web server.  (If it's a 'published' site, then the
file needs to be uploaded to the root, which means that it's not entirely
dynamic, since it requires that manual upload.)  Assuming this is a complete
M$ setup, with an IIS server, FP, etc.  Just dropping the sitemap.asp file
on the the websites root will provide a sitemap for that web site.  The code
automatically reads the file, and builds a structure containing links to all
of the pages within the Navigation structure.
 
Let me know if that changes any of your comments/suggestions (It should for
some of the technical stuff).  If you have more questions, let me know.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 7:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access VB question


 One method is to disable the startup from with the database itself.  ie,
have it look for a specific flag in a record, or have it check for a
specific command line argument, so that when it starts, the startup code
checks that 'trigger', and then stops...effectively 'bypassing' the startup
stuff.  
 
========Exactly, but what I'm suggesting is that the problem may need a
change of strategy.... some "trigger" within the db itself that knows when
to reset the check -- such a "clue" may not exist. 
 
Susan H. 

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri May  2 20:53:10 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 18:53:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access VB question
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D829F7@main2.marlow.com>
 <004001c310f9$e648aed0$b8e6ffcc@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <3EB32106.5060208@shaw.ca>

You can do it programmetically from outside the mdb
see
http://www.mvps.org/access/general/gen0040.htm
 Securing AllowBypassKey or menu bars etc.
Note if you set the fourth argument of createproperty to true only Admin 
user can change
This not shown in the help file.

    db.Properties.Delete stPropName
    Set prp = db.CreateProperty(stPropName, _
     PropType, vPropVal, True)
    db.Properties.Append prp


Susan Harkins wrote:

> If you could someone set the Access database setting the 
> AllowBypassKey property before you try to open it in VB? Do you have 
> to disable it from inside VB?
>  
> Susan H.
>
>     I may be mistaken, but nothing in that code bypasses the startup
>     stuff.
>      
>     Drew
>
>
>          
>
>             Does anyone know how to programmatically open an access
>             database in VB, bypassing the startup options? 
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri May  2 21:05:59 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 19:05:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)
In-Reply-To: <005701c31110$60dde690$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFAEIFCHAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Athur:

I am sure not going to change your opinion or will I try. From my
experience, judging by our years in the business, are equivalent; plus 25
years. My first experience with ADO and Access started with Access97. One
client was having weird data problems and about two weeks of data was lost
before panic set in.

The problem was discovered to be a bound Access MDB, always left on by some
of the office personnel, the remote system support staff doing fixes and
forcing auto-server reboots and a backup over-lapping once a week...

We made the bold move to go to an ADO-OLE middle tier and a SQL7 BE. This is
where I discovered how to use recordsets. For the last five years, I have
been using the same model. A client has never lost a record to over-write,
line connection drop, system crashes using the design model I have been
using. I would not be able to say that if I was using the persistent
connection model.

No web application would ever be able to use the persistent connection
method. The standard method is to store the 'session' id with the selected
record and there fore marking the records as locked. By default, if 15
minutes goes by and the transaction is not finished, the session id is
cleared from the record along with the session. If a bound model could even
be implemented on the web, too much resources would be consumed considering
hit levels could exceed a thousand per hour.

The bound model may be a perfect choice for a smaller local site but unbound
model for medium and large WAN sites is not an option. MS are not always
wrong.

IMO
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 6:08 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)


Well here we go into uncharted waters. Certain publications by MS suggest
that unbound forms are the way to go. I vigourously dispute this. I think
that bound forms tied to sprocs are the way to go. Then you can sidestep a
zillion unbound-form problems. But here I go proselitizing bound forms when
that was not my original intention.

IMO, and that's all it is, I don't claim expertise only experience, bind
your forms to sprocs. Recently I learned a cool trick which lets me pass
arguments like "All", "All" to various forms, reports &c. Everything works
from sprocs. Recordsets open their stuff pessismistically. This is a simple
argument to the rs.Open method. Let intelliSense do your typing :-)

IME you're far better off to go with boound forms and pessimistic logic than
unbound disconnected recordsets, given the logic of your scenario. Which I
would question, but that's a side issue.


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: May 2, 2003 4:18 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)


Arthur,

The databases I design typically handle some type of QA process in a
manufacturing environment.  One of the advantages of using an electronic
system over a paper form system is the ability for people to work
(almost) in parallel - which leads to the real occurrence of simultaneous
updates.  So, I always use pessimistic locking, and on the one process where
people felt slowed down, I installed a timer on that form so that it closed
after 5 minutes with no activity, releasing the locks on the table (that was
in A97).

I am starting to look at upsizing this db to SQL 2000.  From what I
understand, I may not be able to use pessimistic locking the same way that I
did in AXP.

If this is the case, what is the best way to duplicate the pessimistic
locking behavior of AXP in SQL 2K?

Thanks,
Dan Waters


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 12:27 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!


<rant>
I don't feel like rekindling any bound/unbound wars, so instead I'll try
another tack. The problem is disconnected recordsets, which are very cool if
the liklihood of simultaneous updates of a row is remote. In fact, it's not
so much a database problem as a business practices problem, IMO. What the
hell are two people updating the same row for? There's a problem here and it
doesn't concern the database; it concerns the workflow, which by definition
is outside the specifications. OTOH, excellent arguments from the db folk
occasionally persuade management that the problem is indeed outside the db,
and should be addressed by someone other than you. </rant>

<reality>
Given that you must prevent simultaneous updates of a set of rows, and given
that you have taken the unbound path, without a massive rewrite I think your
quickest option is to revisit all the recordset declarations, setting
Pessimism TRUE in your rs.open() arguments. This effectively offloads the
problem to the db, which is good, since it won't allow your users to
overwrite each other even if your app in theory does. (That's why I always
put all the smarts into sprocs and rules and such, rather than coding them
in Access. Then, even if your app is buggy, it doesn't
matter:-) Lock it all down with pessimistic recordsets and go from there.
You can probably visit every occurenece with a project-wide search, and
paste the revised string in. </reality>

<fantasy>
I'm having difficulty coming up with an example where multiple users would
want to update the same rows. A wife and husband are both phoning to
complain about a VISA charge? Three employees are calling from Client X to
revise the purchase quantities in the details of OrderID 2345?

Multiple people updating identical rows = a workflow problem, IMO. In a
well-designed workflow, this should never occur.

Making this point at your next meeting, you are given a 100% salary boost,
several opportunities for sex with strangers, and the pleasure of watching
the entire organization reconfigure itself to your insights. Suddenly they
appreciate how brilliant you are and shape their enterprise around you.
Billions at stake, all on your mind. </fantasy>

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Tewksbury
Sent: May 2, 2003 10:16 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!


Can Anyone Help Me?

I have built a client server application using .adp front end and SQL Server
back end.  Within the application itself I use unbound forms and retrieve
records using ADO recordsets at run time.  The way I have initially deployed
the application is to copy an instance of the .adp to each desktop and run
it locally.  The problem has been that people keep overwriting each other's
updates - and changes are not reflected fast enough.

I have a couple of different thoughts on how to tackle this - either ratchet
down the ODBC refresh rate, or run a single, centralized copy of the .adp
(which throws up some non-updateable warning every time it starts which I
don't know how to suppress).  Of course, I acknowledge that I am a total
newbie, and both of these options may be flawed.

Thanks a bunch,

- Sherri





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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May  2 21:21:08 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 22:21:08 -0400
Subject: Bruce Bruen's email Client   Was: RE: [AccessD]
	OT:^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@
In-Reply-To: <002601c310f6$f66d3fe0$be75fea9@bbb888>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEECLDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Bruce,

Are you saying that using certs somehow bypasses the prompt for "do you
really really really want to..."?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 6:06 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Re: Bruce Bruen's email Client Was: RE: [AccessD]
OT:^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


Hmmmm..

I thought I was sending plain text. I am using Outlook XP (no mail
server)

The other day I was asking about invoking VBA procedures automatically,
during that time I came across the same feature as John Colby - the so
called outlook object model security.  During my investigation of this I
created a verisign cert and an office self cert so I could get my
outlook code to run without lowering the outlook (xp) security level.

The cert I am now usiinng should be the self cert and I therefore
presumed that it wasn't being sent.

This reply should be plain text -- if it isnt please tell me ( and how
to fix it if possible)

Sorry for the inconvenience -
Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mitsules,
Mark
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 12:46 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: OT: Re: Bruce Bruen's email Client Was: RE: [AccessD] OT:
^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


Bruce,

...just curious, no flames intended, honestly, but what email client are
you using, what format are you sending your emails, and what, if
anything else are you attaching when you post to AccessD?  The reason I
ask is because with my Win2K/Outlook2K2 setup, the emails I receive from
you are 3 levels deep.  The first consists of the AccessD footer and 1
attachment ("Untitled
Attachment") with no "body".  When I open the "Untitled Attachment",
there is another blank email consisting of 2 more attachments
("ATT2303090.txt" and "smime.p7s").  If I open the "smime.p7s"
attachment, it appears to be a certificate...(which I have no problem
with).  The actual content of your email is in the "ATT2303090.txt"
attachment...whoohoo!

My question is this, is there some setting on MY machine that I can set
so it will just interpret all of this mess as just a plain textual email
response?


Thanks to all for any suggestions,


Mark


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Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 10:17 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May  2 21:38:51 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 22:38:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] archive bit
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIECMDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Does anyone know if the archive bit is set when a file is opened?  IOW, can
I xcopy a dir, clearing the archive bit.  Then only the files opened since
the last copy will have the archive bit set the next time and thus only
those need to be xcopied.

(poorman's backup)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Fri May  2 21:48:39 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 22:48:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] archive bit
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIECMDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3EB2F5C7.3260.1198902@localhost>

On 2 May 2003 at 22:38, John Colby wrote:

> Does anyone know if the archive bit is set when a file is opened? 
> IOW, can I xcopy a dir, clearing the archive bit.  Then only the files
> opened since the last copy will have the archive bit set the next time
> and thus only those need to be xcopied.

No. I'm pretty sure the archive bit when the file is saved.

Opening and closing doesn't reset it.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
We're all here because we're not all there.

From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May  2 22:02:18 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 23:02:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] archive bit
In-Reply-To: <3EB2F5C7.3260.1198902@localhost>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEECNDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Just ran a test.  The archive bit is set when a word doc is opened and
MODIFIED and then saved.  just opening it does not set the archive bit.

Thus I built a Backup.bat batch file with the following:

xcopy d:\dev e:\Backup\dev /E /Y /C /M /I
xcopy d:\C2DbClientBilling e:\Backup\C2DbClientBilling /E /Y /C /M /I
xcopy d:\Clients e:\Backup\Clients /E /Y /C /M /I
xcopy d:\COLBYCONSULTING e:\Backup\COLBYCONSULTING /E /Y /C /M /I
xcopy d:\ColbyConsultingWebNew e:\Backup\ColbyConsultingWebNew /E /Y /C /M
/I
xcopy d:\NVFCNew e:\Backup\NVFCNew /E /Y /C /M /I
xcopy d:\Projects e:\Backup\Projects /E /Y /C /M /I

Which copies the contents of all of these directories to directories of the
same name under the dir E:\Backup, clearing the archive bit in the process.
Only files MODIFIED after that copy will be copied the next time the batch
file is run.

Now I need to figure out the scheduler and place the batch file to run daily
~ 3:00 am.  Thus all of my business stuff will be copied to another physical
disk so that if the disk dies, I lose at most one day's work.  If the place
burns down... I file an insurance claim and hit the beach.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bryan
Carbonnell
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 10:49 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] archive bit


On 2 May 2003 at 22:38, John Colby wrote:

> Does anyone know if the archive bit is set when a file is opened?
> IOW, can I xcopy a dir, clearing the archive bit.  Then only the files
> opened since the last copy will have the archive bit set the next time
> and thus only those need to be xcopied.

No. I'm pretty sure the archive bit when the file is saved.

Opening and closing doesn't reset it.

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From tracy at ak.planet.gen.nz  Fri May  2 23:48:00 2003
From: tracy at ak.planet.gen.nz (Tracy)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 16:48:00 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEBADKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <004501c3112f$2fd83720$9a4114ca@Notebook>

This is wht we LOVE computers !!!!


Cheers Tracy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 1:56 AM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


> Well, today my NTLDR wouldn't!  Or wasn't, depending on who you talked to!
>
> I never did get it back, but after 4 hours of trying I had succeeded in
> getting a floppy to boot (I had a weird boot config as well) and then
> succeeded in getting Office apps to run windows setup every time they
> loaded, trashed IE and so forth and so on.
>
> So... I went down, bought a new 120mb hard disk, and started over.  I did
> this of course so that I didn't overwrite anything (else) in the process
of
> getting windows working again.  Installed Win2kSP.  Of course no network,
> video, sound and most critically drivers for the Promise100 IDE 3/4 where
my
> old disks now reside.  More hours searching for CDs and floppies for those
> things, searching the internet (on my other computer - thank GOD for "the
> other computer").
>
> Of course I then spent several hours applying service packs, reloading O2K
> (only, so far), Norton utilities, NAV, and am still in the process of
> re-installing everything I can think of that I used to have.  The weird
> thing is that I have my outlook.pst, but that apparently doesn't have the
> personalized settings in it for things like rules, signature, etc.
>
> Anyway, still loading stuff!
>
> WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A
PITA!WHAT
> A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A
> PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!
>
> My question to you kind folks, where the (*&%)%$#!@ are rules / sig and
the
> like kept for Outlook?
>
> It seems like you would just copy the entire jcolby user and be back with
> all that kind of stuff.  The problem of course is that there is stuff in
> there for programs that don't exist (at least in the same place) etc.
>
> Sigh!
>
> John W. Colby
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat May  3 00:02:27 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 22:02:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] archive bit
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEECNDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFMEIGCHAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

John:

That sounds like the easy part after figuring out all the appropriate xcopy
parameters and directories. I had been wondering why my Windows98 system
would suddenly run slow, it is an old box, so I assumed there was some file
bleeding all over the place. Just checked the schedular and low and behold,
the McAfee virus scanning routine had placed it's self there to check for an
update at a regular interval...EVERY 5 MINUTES!!! :-|

Well thanks for bring up the subject or it might have been months until I
found it.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 8:02 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] archive bit


Just ran a test.  The archive bit is set when a word doc is opened and
MODIFIED and then saved.  just opening it does not set the archive bit.

Thus I built a Backup.bat batch file with the following:

xcopy d:\dev e:\Backup\dev /E /Y /C /M /I
xcopy d:\C2DbClientBilling e:\Backup\C2DbClientBilling /E /Y /C /M /I
xcopy d:\Clients e:\Backup\Clients /E /Y /C /M /I
xcopy d:\COLBYCONSULTING e:\Backup\COLBYCONSULTING /E /Y /C /M /I
xcopy d:\ColbyConsultingWebNew e:\Backup\ColbyConsultingWebNew /E /Y /C /M
/I
xcopy d:\NVFCNew e:\Backup\NVFCNew /E /Y /C /M /I
xcopy d:\Projects e:\Backup\Projects /E /Y /C /M /I

Which copies the contents of all of these directories to directories of the
same name under the dir E:\Backup, clearing the archive bit in the process.
Only files MODIFIED after that copy will be copied the next time the batch
file is run.

Now I need to figure out the scheduler and place the batch file to run daily
~ 3:00 am.  Thus all of my business stuff will be copied to another physical
disk so that if the disk dies, I lose at most one day's work.  If the place
burns down... I file an insurance claim and hit the beach.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bryan
Carbonnell
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 10:49 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] archive bit


On 2 May 2003 at 22:38, John Colby wrote:

> Does anyone know if the archive bit is set when a file is opened?
> IOW, can I xcopy a dir, clearing the archive bit.  Then only the files
> opened since the last copy will have the archive bit set the next time
> and thus only those need to be xcopied.

No. I'm pretty sure the archive bit when the file is saved.

Opening and closing doesn't reset it.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
We're all here because we're not all there.
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From tracy at ak.planet.gen.nz  Sat May  3 00:04:24 2003
From: tracy at ak.planet.gen.nz (Tracy)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 17:04:24 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Calling Arthur: MySQL Guru
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEECNDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <011a01c31131$782c3a60$9a4114ca@Notebook>

Hi Arthur
Thought I'd pick your brains again.
What method do you use to check and relink (if necessary) the MyODBC
connection that points to the database being used by the Access frontend ?

When first linking I noticed a different dialog box came up...so can I
presume(?) that the way the files are linked (as opposed to an mdb file)
within Access are different ?

A steer in the right direction would be appreciated.

Cheers Tracy



From pcs at azizaz.com  Sat May  3 00:21:20 2003
From: pcs at azizaz.com (Borge Steen Hansen)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 15:21:20 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] How disable scroll wheel on mouse
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEBADKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
	<004501c3112f$2fd83720$9a4114ca@Notebook>
Message-ID: <01bd01c31133$d5d0efb0$be0e90cb@prosys.local>

I've been subscribed for a couple of months due to other commitments.
Now back again, I see all the well known names contributing to this superb
list forum.

And Drew is still working 25/7 or so it appears!

Well, to the question I hope you can help me with:

I'm working with bound Forms (Access97) and I use a function to trap all
keyboard strokes that would otherwise move the user off the current record
and a possibly unwanted Save...
Now the scroll wheel on some mouse / (mice?) has entered the scene and
creates unwanted Saves (often in a situation where the user is only half
finished entering data).....

So, is there a way to disable "da scroolling veal"??

Cheers
Borge Hansen
Gold Coast City, Australia


From hsimpson88 at hotmail.com  Sat May  3 02:12:59 2003
From: hsimpson88 at hotmail.com (Henry Simpson)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 01:12:59 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!
Message-ID: <Sea2-F211XXXc87sj150004810a@hotmail.com>

Arthur:

You did some concert booking at come point.  How did you manage concurrent 
attempts to reserve the same seats (records?) in a hall, for transportation 
and hotel rooms.  There are concerts where 20 - 30,000 seats are booked in a 
matter of hours and some kind of software layer that feeds non overlapping 
blocks of seats to a number of terminals must be provided by software so 
each booking terminal could present a range of seat selections.  It seems to 
me that block allocation of the declining available records is an aspect of 
workflow that is the responsibility of the application developer.  In an 
airline scenario, where you have thousands of agents who might be 
simultaneously contending for a small block of seats, is there a trivial 
work flow solution?

I would think that the only other way to work disconnected is verify that 
all the record fields contain the same data at the server as at the client 
before committing an update or to write a lock flag to a record (with a 
date/time stamp) that is automatically cleared by some kind of bot 
application if a reservation isn't committed within a specified time span.  
For consistency, you could have the client pull the time from a server table 
(updated every few seconds?) and have the bot clear any stamps that are 
future times.

Hen




>From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!
>Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 14:26:42 -0400
>
><rant>
>I don't feel like rekindling any bound/unbound wars, so instead I'll try
>another tack. The problem is disconnected recordsets, which are very cool 
>if
>the liklihood of simultaneous updates of a row is remote. In fact, it's not
>so much a database problem as a business practices problem, IMO. What the
>hell are two people updating the same row for? There's a problem here and 
>it
>doesn't concern the database; it concerns the workflow, which by definition
>is outside the specifications. OTOH, excellent arguments from the db folk
>occasionally persuade management that the problem is indeed outside the db,
>and should be addressed by someone other than you.
></rant>
>
><reality>
>Given that you must prevent simultaneous updates of a set of rows, and 
>given
>that you have taken the unbound path, without a massive rewrite I think 
>your
>quickest option is to revisit all the recordset declarations, setting
>Pessimism TRUE in your rs.open() arguments. This effectively offloads the
>problem to the db, which is good, since it won't allow your users to
>overwrite each other even if your app in theory does. (That's why I always
>put all the smarts into sprocs and rules and such, rather than coding them
>in Access. Then, even if your app is buggy, it doesn't matter:-) Lock it 
>all
>down with pessimistic recordsets and go from there. You can probably visit
>every occurenece with a project-wide search, and paste the revised string
>in.
></reality>
>
><fantasy>
>I'm having difficulty coming up with an example where multiple users would
>want to update the same rows. A wife and husband are both phoning to
>complain about a VISA charge? Three employees are calling from Client X to
>revise the purchase quantities in the details of OrderID 2345?
>
>Multiple people updating identical rows = a workflow problem, IMO. In a
>well-designed workflow, this should never occur.
>
>Making this point at your next meeting, you are given a 100% salary boost,
>several opportunities for sex with strangers, and the pleasure of watching
>the entire organization reconfigure itself to your insights. Suddenly they
>appreciate how brilliant you are and shape their enterprise around you.
>Billions at stake, all on your mind.
></fantasy>
>
>Arthur
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Tewksbury
>Sent: May 2, 2003 10:16 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!
>
>
>Can Anyone Help Me?
>
>I have built a client server application using .adp front end and SQL 
>Server
>back end.  Within the application itself I use unbound forms and retrieve
>records using ADO recordsets at run time.  The way I have initially 
>deployed
>the application is to copy an instance of the .adp to each desktop and run
>it locally.  The problem has been that people keep overwriting each other's
>updates - and changes are not reflected fast enough.
>
>I have a couple of different thoughts on how to tackle this - either 
>ratchet
>down the ODBC refresh rate, or run a single, centralized copy of the .adp
>(which throws up some non-updateable warning every time it starts which I
>don't know how to suppress).  Of course, I acknowledge that I am a total
>newbie, and both of these options may be flawed.
>
>Thanks a bunch,
>
>- Sherri



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From artful at rogers.com  Sat May  3 07:10:38 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 08:10:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!
In-Reply-To: <Sea2-F211XXXc87sj150004810a@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <007b01c3116d$0233c300$8e01a8c0@Rock>

To be sure, there are apps such as those you describe, where sales reps are
contending for tickets or seats or whatever. The way I handled it in the
concert app was this: every physical ticket was one row in a table, complete
with a gate, row and seat ID. To simplify the data-entry I wrote a form that
would let someone create blocks of tickets very quickly (i.e. gate 7, row 1,
seats 1-50, &c.) This was necessary because the sales people would have to
assign contiguous tickets where possible, and I never could come up with an
algorithm that would understand the asssignment contingencies the way peple
do intuitively. For example, if you don't have 4 adjacent seats but you do
have two pairs -- seats 1 and 2 in rows 7 and 8 -- that will do. After that
was done, a multi-select listbox was all the front end required (plus a
timer that released the locks after 5 minutes unless the sale was
completed).

Anyway, your point is valid. That's why I went to the seat=row model. There
was no other way that I could see to avoid contention. Even then there was
still a possibility, so we locked the rows the moment they were selected.
And we didn't have thousands of users selecting seats :-)

A.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Henry Simpson
Sent: May 3, 2003 3:13 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!


Arthur:

You did some concert booking at come point.  How did you manage concurrent 
attempts to reserve the same seats (records?) in a hall, for transportation 
and hotel rooms.  There are concerts where 20 - 30,000 seats are booked in a

matter of hours and some kind of software layer that feeds non overlapping 
blocks of seats to a number of terminals must be provided by software so 
each booking terminal could present a range of seat selections.  It seems to

me that block allocation of the declining available records is an aspect of 
workflow that is the responsibility of the application developer.  In an 
airline scenario, where you have thousands of agents who might be 
simultaneously contending for a small block of seats, is there a trivial 
work flow solution?

I would think that the only other way to work disconnected is verify that 
all the record fields contain the same data at the server as at the client 
before committing an update or to write a lock flag to a record (with a 
date/time stamp) that is automatically cleared by some kind of bot 
application if a reservation isn't committed within a specified time span.  
For consistency, you could have the client pull the time from a server table

(updated every few seconds?) and have the bot clear any stamps that are 
future times.

Hen




>From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!
>Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 14:26:42 -0400
>
><rant>
>I don't feel like rekindling any bound/unbound wars, so instead I'll 
>try another tack. The problem is disconnected recordsets, which are 
>very cool if the liklihood of simultaneous updates of a row is remote. 
>In fact, it's not so much a database problem as a business practices 
>problem, IMO. What the hell are two people updating the same row for? 
>There's a problem here and it
>doesn't concern the database; it concerns the workflow, which by definition
>is outside the specifications. OTOH, excellent arguments from the db folk
>occasionally persuade management that the problem is indeed outside the db,
>and should be addressed by someone other than you.
></rant>
>
><reality>
>Given that you must prevent simultaneous updates of a set of rows, and
>given
>that you have taken the unbound path, without a massive rewrite I think 
>your
>quickest option is to revisit all the recordset declarations, setting
>Pessimism TRUE in your rs.open() arguments. This effectively offloads the
>problem to the db, which is good, since it won't allow your users to
>overwrite each other even if your app in theory does. (That's why I always
>put all the smarts into sprocs and rules and such, rather than coding them
>in Access. Then, even if your app is buggy, it doesn't matter:-) Lock it 
>all
>down with pessimistic recordsets and go from there. You can probably visit
>every occurenece with a project-wide search, and paste the revised string
>in.
></reality>
>
><fantasy>
>I'm having difficulty coming up with an example where multiple users 
>would want to update the same rows. A wife and husband are both phoning 
>to complain about a VISA charge? Three employees are calling from 
>Client X to revise the purchase quantities in the details of OrderID 
>2345?
>
>Multiple people updating identical rows = a workflow problem, IMO. In a 
>well-designed workflow, this should never occur.
>
>Making this point at your next meeting, you are given a 100% salary 
>boost, several opportunities for sex with strangers, and the pleasure 
>of watching the entire organization reconfigure itself to your 
>insights. Suddenly they appreciate how brilliant you are and shape 
>their enterprise around you. Billions at stake, all on your mind. 
></fantasy>
>
>Arthur
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Marcus 
>Tewksbury
>Sent: May 2, 2003 10:16 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!
>
>
>Can Anyone Help Me?
>
>I have built a client server application using .adp front end and SQL
>Server
>back end.  Within the application itself I use unbound forms and retrieve
>records using ADO recordsets at run time.  The way I have initially 
>deployed
>the application is to copy an instance of the .adp to each desktop and run
>it locally.  The problem has been that people keep overwriting each other's
>updates - and changes are not reflected fast enough.
>
>I have a couple of different thoughts on how to tackle this - either
>ratchet
>down the ODBC refresh rate, or run a single, centralized copy of the .adp
>(which throws up some non-updateable warning every time it starts which I
>don't know how to suppress).  Of course, I acknowledge that I am a total
>newbie, and both of these options may be flawed.
>
>Thanks a bunch,
>
>- Sherri



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From bbruen at bigpond.com  Sat May  3 08:08:12 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 23:08:12 +1000
Subject: Bruce Bruen's email Client   Was: RE:
	[AccessD]OT:^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEECLDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c31175$0e076f80$be75fea9@bbb888>

Wish that it did....

It was just one thing I tried in order to get around it - without joy.  

I am currently, amongst other things, "learning" "Outlook VBA" (oh OK
the outlook object models ;->).  As I have email security on "high" it
wouldn't let me run vba code unless it was from a trusted source - so I
got a verisign cert and trusted myself - I thought - ...

Seems that importing, accepting and registering the cert changed half a
dozen email settings, including send everything as plaintext.  Hohum...

While I am at it, I thought I could set a mail format for a contact that
would over-ride the default setting.  I cant find this option anymore in
Outlook XP - does anyone know where it is?

As far as our joint problem with the damn "a program is trying to do
something really useful, are you really sure that is a good idea" popup,
it looks like its insurmountable in XP and worse in Office 2003.  The
consensus is to not use the Outlook object model, i.e. MAPI or CDO, as a
base for sending mail.

M$ stupidity has even gone as far as RECOMMENDING that programmers use
3rd party means of getting around this.  AFA I'm concerned this is not
unlike leaving a note on your front door..."Dear Mr Thief,  There is a
really fierce gekko behind this door, but if you really want to break in
you can borrow the key from the neighbours".

And I gave up a promising career in biochemistry for this!

Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 12:21 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Re: Bruce Bruen's email Client Was: RE:
[AccessD]OT:^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


Bruce,

Are you saying that using certs somehow bypasses the prompt for "do you
really really really want to..."?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 6:06 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Re: Bruce Bruen's email Client Was: RE: [AccessD]
OT:^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


Hmmmm..

I thought I was sending plain text. I am using Outlook XP (no mail
server)

The other day I was asking about invoking VBA procedures automatically,
during that time I came across the same feature as John Colby - the so
called outlook object model security.  During my investigation of this I
created a verisign cert and an office self cert so I could get my
outlook code to run without lowering the outlook (xp) security level.

The cert I am now usiinng should be the self cert and I therefore
presumed that it wasn't being sent.

This reply should be plain text -- if it isnt please tell me ( and how
to fix it if possible)

Sorry for the inconvenience -
Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mitsules,
Mark
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 12:46 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: OT: Re: Bruce Bruen's email Client Was: RE: [AccessD] OT:
^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


Bruce,

...just curious, no flames intended, honestly, but what email client are
you using, what format are you sending your emails, and what, if
anything else are you attaching when you post to AccessD?  The reason I
ask is because with my Win2K/Outlook2K2 setup, the emails I receive from
you are 3 levels deep.  The first consists of the AccessD footer and 1
attachment ("Untitled
Attachment") with no "body".  When I open the "Untitled Attachment",
there is another blank email consisting of 2 more attachments
("ATT2303090.txt" and "smime.p7s").  If I open the "smime.p7s"
attachment, it appears to be a certificate...(which I have no problem
with).  The actual content of your email is in the "ATT2303090.txt"
attachment...whoohoo!

My question is this, is there some setting on MY machine that I can set
so it will just interpret all of this mess as just a plain textual email
response?


Thanks to all for any suggestions,


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Bruen [mailto:bbruen at bigpond.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 10:17 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


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From bbruen at bigpond.com  Sat May  3 08:09:12 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 23:09:12 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] How disable scroll wheel on mouse
In-Reply-To: <01bd01c31133$d5d0efb0$be0e90cb@prosys.local>
Message-ID: <001f01c31175$31b1af40$be75fea9@bbb888>

Superglue.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Borge Steen
Hansen
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 3:21 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] How disable scroll wheel on mouse


I've been subscribed for a couple of months due to other commitments.
Now back again, I see all the well known names contributing to this
superb list forum.

And Drew is still working 25/7 or so it appears!

Well, to the question I hope you can help me with:

I'm working with bound Forms (Access97) and I use a function to trap all
keyboard strokes that would otherwise move the user off the current
record and a possibly unwanted Save... Now the scroll wheel on some
mouse / (mice?) has entered the scene and creates unwanted Saves (often
in a situation where the user is only half finished entering data).....

So, is there a way to disable "da scroolling veal"??

Cheers
Borge Hansen
Gold Coast City, Australia

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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Sat May  3 09:05:31 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 10:05:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] How disable scroll wheel on mouse
References: 	<DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEBADKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com><004501c3112f$2fd83720$9a4114ca@Notebook>
	<01bd01c31133$d5d0efb0$be0e90cb@prosys.local>
Message-ID: <006001c3117d$0fc70030$6401a8c0@default>

Hi Borge

http://www.lebans.com/mousewheelonoff.htm

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Borge Steen Hansen" <pcs at azizaz.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 1:21 AM
Subject: [AccessD] How disable scroll wheel on mouse


> I've been subscribed for a couple of months due to other commitments.
> Now back again, I see all the well known names contributing to this superb
> list forum.
>
> And Drew is still working 25/7 or so it appears!
>
> Well, to the question I hope you can help me with:
>
> I'm working with bound Forms (Access97) and I use a function to trap all
> keyboard strokes that would otherwise move the user off the current record
> and a possibly unwanted Save...
> Now the scroll wheel on some mouse / (mice?) has entered the scene and
> creates unwanted Saves (often in a situation where the user is only half
> finished entering data).....
>
> So, is there a way to disable "da scroolling veal"??
>
> Cheers
> Borge Hansen
> Gold Coast City, Australia
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From tewksbum at hotmail.com  Sat May  3 09:13:42 2003
From: tewksbum at hotmail.com (Marcus Tewksbury)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 09:13:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!
Message-ID: <Law9-F73cF1CGXl6fJP00026f45@hotmail.com>

First Off, thank you to everyone for contributing your thoughts - it is very 
much appreciated.  Let me see if I can account for this and reformulate...

1st.) The notion of deploying multiple copies of the .adp versus one 
centralized one to limit the # or recordsets is retarded.  My line of 
thinking was one application = one recordset, but that can't be right, 
right?  The application would create new recordsets for each user as they 
went.

so, I think my problem/solution deals more with the recordset maintenance 
itself.  I'm going to try and break this down into over-writing, and 
viewing.

Over-writing:  Yeap - I had been using optimistic locks.  I did a pretty 
good job of abstracting the code so it will be easy enough to change the 
records to pessimistic.  I'm also going to play around with running "at the 
client" and "at the server"

Viewing:  Inside the app I want the users to be able to see deletions, 
additions, etc. made by other users.  Which I presume means I am going to 
have to Refresh my recordsets.  Is anyone familiar with ODBC refresh rates?  
Should I periodically issue Refresh methods on the recordset?  How does a 
refresh compare to a requery performance wise?  Because I know requerying 
just won't be acceptable because of recordset size.

Again, thanks to everyone for your thoughts!

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat May  3 10:01:33 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 08:01:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!
In-Reply-To: <Law9-F73cF1CGXl6fJP00026f45@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFGEIJCHAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Marcus:

I will add my comment inline...

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Marcus
Tewksbury
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 7:14 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!


First Off, thank you to everyone for contributing your thoughts - it is very
much appreciated.  Let me see if I can account for this and reformulate...

1st.) The notion of deploying multiple copies of the .adp versus one
centralized one to limit the # or recordsets is retarded.  My line of
thinking was one application = one recordset, but that can't be right,
right?  The application would create new recordsets for each user as they
went.

 The number of recordsets created and therefore connections
 has nothing to do how many copies of the application being
 used. It depends how the application is written. Of course
 if you have set up your recordsets to all have persistent
 connections then you will quickly run out of recourses and
 bandwidth.

so, I think my problem/solution deals more with the recordset maintenance
itself.  I'm going to try and break this down into over-writing, and
viewing.

Over-writing:  Yeap - I had been using optimistic locks.  I did a pretty
good job of abstracting the code so it will be easy enough to change the
records to pessimistic.  I'm also going to play around with running "at the
client" and "at the server"

Viewing:  Inside the app I want the users to be able to see deletions,
additions, etc. made by other users.  Which I presume means I am going to
have to Refresh my recordsets.  Is anyone familiar with ODBC refresh rates?
Should I periodically issue Refresh methods on the recordset?  How does a
refresh compare to a requery performance wise?  Because I know requerying
just won't be acceptable because of recordset size.

 I have not used ODBC but performance will depend more on how
 much data has to be acquired from the BE. Keeping the recordsets
 small is one way. The refresh or resync method returns any
 changes in a specific record but the requery method re-executes
 the query that created the original recordset and therefore
 reflects any changes to the dataset. The resync method would
 generate an error if the current record had been deleted by
 another user.

Again, thanks to everyone for your thoughts!

- Marcus







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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sat May  3 13:06:19 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 11:06:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!
References: <007b01c3116d$0233c300$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <3EB4051B.2050207@shaw.ca>

There are several adjacency alogrithms used in GIS or graphics systems, 
that allow color merging
of  pixels. Don't remember the name of class. But essentially it as 3 
dimensional matrix (x,y,color)
and you just search for where red and blue touch and change color to 
purple. You only have 8 pixels touching each other, unless on a 
boundary. There are other methods for vectors where you have a centroid 
to the left or right of line and a color associated with the centroid..

Arthur Fuller wrote:

>To be sure, there are apps such as those you describe, where sales reps are
>contending for tickets or seats or whatever. The way I handled it in the
>concert app was this: every physical ticket was one row in a table, complete
>with a gate, row and seat ID. To simplify the data-entry I wrote a form that
>would let someone create blocks of tickets very quickly (i.e. gate 7, row 1,
>seats 1-50, &c.) This was necessary because the sales people would have to
>assign contiguous tickets where possible, and I never could come up with an
>algorithm that would understand the asssignment contingencies the way peple
>do intuitively. For example, if you don't have 4 adjacent seats but you do
>have two pairs -- seats 1 and 2 in rows 7 and 8 -- that will do. After that
>was done, a multi-select listbox was all the front end required (plus a
>timer that released the locks after 5 minutes unless the sale was
>completed).
>
>Anyway, your point is valid. That's why I went to the seat=row model. There
>was no other way that I could see to avoid contention. Even then there was
>still a possibility, so we locked the rows the moment they were selected.
>And we didn't have thousands of users selecting seats :-)
>
>A.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Henry Simpson
>Sent: May 3, 2003 3:13 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!
>
>
>Arthur:
>
>You did some concert booking at come point.  How did you manage concurrent 
>attempts to reserve the same seats (records?) in a hall, for transportation 
>and hotel rooms.  There are concerts where 20 - 30,000 seats are booked in a
>
>matter of hours and some kind of software layer that feeds non overlapping 
>blocks of seats to a number of terminals must be provided by software so 
>each booking terminal could present a range of seat selections.  It seems to
>
>me that block allocation of the declining available records is an aspect of 
>workflow that is the responsibility of the application developer.  In an 
>airline scenario, where you have thousands of agents who might be 
>simultaneously contending for a small block of seats, is there a trivial 
>work flow solution?
>
>I would think that the only other way to work disconnected is verify that 
>all the record fields contain the same data at the server as at the client 
>before committing an update or to write a lock flag to a record (with a 
>date/time stamp) that is automatically cleared by some kind of bot 
>application if a reservation isn't committed within a specified time span.  
>For consistency, you could have the client pull the time from a server table
>
>(updated every few seconds?) and have the bot clear any stamps that are 
>future times.
>
>Hen
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>>From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
>>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!
>>Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 14:26:42 -0400
>>
>><rant>
>>I don't feel like rekindling any bound/unbound wars, so instead I'll 
>>try another tack. The problem is disconnected recordsets, which are 
>>very cool if the liklihood of simultaneous updates of a row is remote. 
>>In fact, it's not so much a database problem as a business practices 
>>problem, IMO. What the hell are two people updating the same row for? 
>>There's a problem here and it
>>doesn't concern the database; it concerns the workflow, which by definition
>>is outside the specifications. OTOH, excellent arguments from the db folk
>>occasionally persuade management that the problem is indeed outside the db,
>>and should be addressed by someone other than you.
>></rant>
>>
>><reality>
>>Given that you must prevent simultaneous updates of a set of rows, and
>>given
>>that you have taken the unbound path, without a massive rewrite I think 
>>your
>>quickest option is to revisit all the recordset declarations, setting
>>Pessimism TRUE in your rs.open() arguments. This effectively offloads the
>>problem to the db, which is good, since it won't allow your users to
>>overwrite each other even if your app in theory does. (That's why I always
>>put all the smarts into sprocs and rules and such, rather than coding them
>>in Access. Then, even if your app is buggy, it doesn't matter:-) Lock it 
>>all
>>down with pessimistic recordsets and go from there. You can probably visit
>>every occurenece with a project-wide search, and paste the revised string
>>in.
>></reality>
>>
>><fantasy>
>>I'm having difficulty coming up with an example where multiple users 
>>would want to update the same rows. A wife and husband are both phoning 
>>to complain about a VISA charge? Three employees are calling from 
>>Client X to revise the purchase quantities in the details of OrderID 
>>2345?
>>
>>Multiple people updating identical rows = a workflow problem, IMO. In a 
>>well-designed workflow, this should never occur.
>>
>>Making this point at your next meeting, you are given a 100% salary 
>>boost, several opportunities for sex with strangers, and the pleasure 
>>of watching the entire organization reconfigure itself to your 
>>insights. Suddenly they appreciate how brilliant you are and shape 
>>their enterprise around you. Billions at stake, all on your mind. 
>></fantasy>
>>
>>Arthur
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Marcus 
>>Tewksbury
>>Sent: May 2, 2003 10:16 AM
>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>Subject: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!
>>
>>
>>Can Anyone Help Me?
>>
>>I have built a client server application using .adp front end and SQL
>>Server
>>back end.  Within the application itself I use unbound forms and retrieve
>>records using ADO recordsets at run time.  The way I have initially 
>>deployed
>>the application is to copy an instance of the .adp to each desktop and run
>>it locally.  The problem has been that people keep overwriting each other's
>>updates - and changes are not reflected fast enough.
>>
>>I have a couple of different thoughts on how to tackle this - either
>>ratchet
>>down the ODBC refresh rate, or run a single, centralized copy of the .adp
>>(which throws up some non-updateable warning every time it starts which I
>>don't know how to suppress).  Of course, I acknowledge that I am a total
>>newbie, and both of these options may be flawed.
>>
>>Thanks a bunch,
>>
>>- Sherri
>>    
>>
>
>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sat May  3 13:08:28 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 13:08:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)
In-Reply-To: <005701c31110$60dde690$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <000001c3119f$04cf69c0$de1811d8@DanWaters>

Arthur,

The scenario I described is pretty much limited to a LAN situation, not
a WAN.  I can see why a WAN database may work better with an unbound
database.

But what I really am calling about is the "All" argument.  Could you
replay with an example?  This sounds like it could be really valuable.

Thanks!
Dan Waters


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 7:08 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)


Well here we go into uncharted waters. Certain publications by MS
suggest that unbound forms are the way to go. I vigourously dispute
this. I think that bound forms tied to sprocs are the way to go. Then
you can sidestep a zillion unbound-form problems. But here I go
proselitizing bound forms when that was not my original intention.

IMO, and that's all it is, I don't claim expertise only experience, bind
your forms to sprocs. Recently I learned a cool trick which lets me pass
arguments like "All", "All" to various forms, reports &c. Everything
works from sprocs. Recordsets open their stuff pessismistically. This is
a simple argument to the rs.Open method. Let intelliSense do your typing
:-)

IME you're far better off to go with boound forms and pessimistic logic
than unbound disconnected recordsets, given the logic of your scenario.
Which I would question, but that's a side issue.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: May 2, 2003 4:18 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)


Arthur,

The databases I design typically handle some type of QA process in a
manufacturing environment.  One of the advantages of using an electronic
system over a paper form system is the ability for people to work
(almost) in parallel - which leads to the real occurrence of
simultaneous updates.  So, I always use pessimistic locking, and on the
one process where people felt slowed down, I installed a timer on that
form so that it closed after 5 minutes with no activity, releasing the
locks on the table (that was in A97).

I am starting to look at upsizing this db to SQL 2000.  From what I
understand, I may not be able to use pessimistic locking the same way
that I did in AXP.  

If this is the case, what is the best way to duplicate the pessimistic
locking behavior of AXP in SQL 2K?

Thanks,
Dan Waters


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 12:27 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!


<rant>
I don't feel like rekindling any bound/unbound wars, so instead I'll try
another tack. The problem is disconnected recordsets, which are very
cool if the liklihood of simultaneous updates of a row is remote. In
fact, it's not so much a database problem as a business practices
problem, IMO. What the hell are two people updating the same row for?
There's a problem here and it doesn't concern the database; it concerns
the workflow, which by definition is outside the specifications. OTOH,
excellent arguments from the db folk occasionally persuade management
that the problem is indeed outside the db, and should be addressed by
someone other than you. </rant>

<reality>
Given that you must prevent simultaneous updates of a set of rows, and
given that you have taken the unbound path, without a massive rewrite I
think your quickest option is to revisit all the recordset declarations,
setting Pessimism TRUE in your rs.open() arguments. This effectively
offloads the problem to the db, which is good, since it won't allow your
users to overwrite each other even if your app in theory does. (That's
why I always put all the smarts into sprocs and rules and such, rather
than coding them in Access. Then, even if your app is buggy, it doesn't
matter:-) Lock it all down with pessimistic recordsets and go from
there. You can probably visit every occurenece with a project-wide
search, and paste the revised string in. </reality>

<fantasy>
I'm having difficulty coming up with an example where multiple users
would want to update the same rows. A wife and husband are both phoning
to complain about a VISA charge? Three employees are calling from Client
X to revise the purchase quantities in the details of OrderID 2345?

Multiple people updating identical rows = a workflow problem, IMO. In a
well-designed workflow, this should never occur.

Making this point at your next meeting, you are given a 100% salary
boost, several opportunities for sex with strangers, and the pleasure of
watching the entire organization reconfigure itself to your insights.
Suddenly they appreciate how brilliant you are and shape their
enterprise around you. Billions at stake, all on your mind. </fantasy>

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Marcus
Tewksbury
Sent: May 2, 2003 10:16 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Desperately Seeking!


Can Anyone Help Me?

I have built a client server application using .adp front end and SQL
Server back end.  Within the application itself I use unbound forms and
retrieve records using ADO recordsets at run time.  The way I have
initially deployed the application is to copy an instance of the .adp to
each desktop and run it locally.  The problem has been that people keep
overwriting each other's updates - and changes are not reflected fast
enough.

I have a couple of different thoughts on how to tackle this - either
ratchet down the ODBC refresh rate, or run a single, centralized copy of
the .adp (which throws up some non-updateable warning every time it
starts which I don't know how to suppress).  Of course, I acknowledge
that I am a total newbie, and both of these options may be flawed.

Thanks a bunch,

- Sherri





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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sat May  3 14:17:27 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 12:17:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Book on Software Testing and Internationalization
References: <000001c3119f$04cf69c0$de1811d8@DanWaters>
Message-ID: <3EB415C7.9090007@shaw.ca>

Someone may be interested in this free book translated from German

Galileo Computing Software Testing and Internationalization
Manfred Ratzmann and Clinton De Young

Some Chapters
    * International planning and architecture
    * International development issues
    * Internationalization testing

To download a copy of book about 2Meg

http://www.lisa.org/interact/2003/swtestregister.html



From artful at rogers.com  Sat May  3 19:37:07 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 20:37:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)
In-Reply-To: <000001c3119f$04cf69c0$de1811d8@DanWaters>
Message-ID: <00b701c311d5$4adc8ca0$8e01a8c0@Rock>

Glad you noticed and glad to share it. It's just one of those
slaps-aside-the-head that we occasionally need. In this case, it's the
assumption that you test parms against column values. But suppose you reject
this notion. Case in recent point, there are two columns called Faculty_ID
and School_ID, so that the permutations might be something like this:

FB	BM
FB	All
All	All

The "scope" values are in a table called tblUsers. You grab the values for
the current user from there and apply them to a single sproc that covers all
cases. Like so:

SELECT * FROM someTable(s)
WHERE
	Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID AND School_ID = @School_ID
	OR
	Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID
	OR
	@Faculty_ID = 'All'

This grabs all possible combinations. 

The point is, you can test parms against values rather than column contents,
as in the last line.


A.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: May 3, 2003 2:08 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)


Arthur,

The scenario I described is pretty much limited to a LAN situation, not a
WAN.  I can see why a WAN database may work better with an unbound database.

But what I really am calling about is the "All" argument.  Could you replay
with an example?  This sounds like it could be really valuable.

Thanks!
Dan Waters


From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun May  4 02:49:11 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 09:49:11 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)
In-Reply-To: <00b701c311d5$4adc8ca0$8e01a8c0@Rock>
References: <00b701c311d5$4adc8ca0$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <761794560.20030504094911@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

Haven't followed this thread closely, but wonder how:

>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID AND School_ID = @School_ID
>         OR
>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID
>         OR
>         @Faculty_ID = 'All'

would differ from:

>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID
>         OR
>         @Faculty_ID = 'All'

/gustav


> Glad you noticed and glad to share it. It's just one of those
> slaps-aside-the-head that we occasionally need. In this case, it's the
> assumption that you test parms against column values. But suppose you reject
> this notion. Case in recent point, there are two columns called Faculty_ID
> and School_ID, so that the permutations might be something like this:

> FB      BM
> FB      All
> All     All

> The "scope" values are in a table called tblUsers. You grab the values for
> the current user from there and apply them to a single sproc that covers all
> cases. Like so:

> SELECT * FROM someTable(s)
> WHERE
>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID AND School_ID = @School_ID
>         OR
>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID
>         OR
>         @Faculty_ID = 'All'

> This grabs all possible combinations. 

> The point is, you can test parms against values rather than column contents,
> as in the last line.


> A.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
> Sent: May 3, 2003 2:08 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)


> Arthur,

> The scenario I described is pretty much limited to a LAN situation, not a
> WAN.  I can see why a WAN database may work better with an unbound database.

> But what I really am calling about is the "All" argument.  Could you replay
> with an example?  This sounds like it could be really valuable.

> Thanks!
> Dan Waters


From artful at rogers.com  Sun May  4 06:21:47 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 07:21:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)
In-Reply-To: <761794560.20030504094911@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <00d801c3122f$5a119350$8e01a8c0@Rock>

You've omitted the third case, where say Faculty = 'FB' and School = 'BM'.
Some users cannot see their whole faculty, just their school.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: May 4, 2003 3:49 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)


Hi Arthur

Haven't followed this thread closely, but wonder how:

>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID AND School_ID = @School_ID
>         OR
>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID
>         OR
>         @Faculty_ID = 'All'

would differ from:

>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID
>         OR
>         @Faculty_ID = 'All'

/gustav


> Glad you noticed and glad to share it. It's just one of those 
> slaps-aside-the-head that we occasionally need. In this case, it's the 
> assumption that you test parms against column values. But suppose you 
> reject this notion. Case in recent point, there are two columns called 
> Faculty_ID and School_ID, so that the permutations might be something 
> like this:

> FB      BM
> FB      All
> All     All

> The "scope" values are in a table called tblUsers. You grab the values 
> for the current user from there and apply them to a single sproc that 
> covers all cases. Like so:

> SELECT * FROM someTable(s)
> WHERE
>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID AND School_ID = @School_ID
>         OR
>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID
>         OR
>         @Faculty_ID = 'All'

> This grabs all possible combinations.

> The point is, you can test parms against values rather than column 
> contents, as in the last line.


> A.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
> Sent: May 3, 2003 2:08 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)


> Arthur,

> The scenario I described is pretty much limited to a LAN situation, 
> not a WAN.  I can see why a WAN database may work better with an 
> unbound database.

> But what I really am calling about is the "All" argument.  Could you 
> replay with an example?  This sounds like it could be really valuable.

> Thanks!
> Dan Waters

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From pblack at hotmail.com  Sun May  4 08:52:29 2003
From: pblack at hotmail.com (Paul Black)
Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 13:52:29 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Drop-down menus in Access
Message-ID: <Sea2-F17pd564vnoAc80004c7cb@hotmail.com>

Hello

Could someone please point me to an article or an online example of how to 
create a drop-down menu within Access. I need an app that has this to 
minimize the amount of button objects within an app.

I can use A97, A2000, AXP for the app.

Thanks

Paul

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From pblack at hotmail.com  Sun May  4 08:56:31 2003
From: pblack at hotmail.com (Paul Black)
Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 13:56:31 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Viewing Handheld databases within Access
Message-ID: <Sea2-F35dQVoU0mWizf000262fb@hotmail.com>

Hello

I am developing an app that compiles data collected with a handheld device 
running an embedded Visual Basic App. Is there anything that I can do with 
Access that allows me to view the Pocket Access (.cdb) file names on the 
device and then select then one I want?

At that point ActiveSync would take over and convert the .cdb file to a .mdb 
file.

I can use A97, A2000, AXP for the app.

Thanks

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From harkins at iglou.com  Sun May  4 10:11:36 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 11:11:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL to manipulate indexes
Message-ID: <001301c3124f$7604ac80$e3e6ffcc@SusanOne>

How many of you actually manipulate indexes programmatically on a frequent
basis? How do you get around the problem of knowing how many arguments
(field names) to pass for a complex index?

Susan H.


From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun May  4 11:29:25 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 18:29:25 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)
In-Reply-To: <00d801c3122f$5a119350$8e01a8c0@Rock>
References: <00d801c3122f$5a119350$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <13933008273.20030504182925@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

> You've omitted the third case, where say Faculty = 'FB' and School = 'BM'.
> Some users cannot see their whole faculty, just their school.

That's what I suspected - but the second case will return True for those
records of a given Faculty no matter what School ... ??

/gustav


> Hi Arthur

> Haven't followed this thread closely, but wonder how:

>>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID AND School_ID = @School_ID
>>         OR
>>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID
>>         OR
>>         @Faculty_ID = 'All'

> would differ from:

>>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID
>>         OR
>>         @Faculty_ID = 'All'

> /gustav


>> Glad you noticed and glad to share it. It's just one of those 
>> slaps-aside-the-head that we occasionally need. In this case, it's the 
>> assumption that you test parms against column values. But suppose you 
>> reject this notion. Case in recent point, there are two columns called 
>> Faculty_ID and School_ID, so that the permutations might be something 
>> like this:

>> FB      BM
>> FB      All
>> All     All

>> The "scope" values are in a table called tblUsers. You grab the values 
>> for the current user from there and apply them to a single sproc that 
>> covers all cases. Like so:

>> SELECT * FROM someTable(s)
>> WHERE
>>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID AND School_ID = @School_ID
>>         OR
>>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID
>>         OR
>>         @Faculty_ID = 'All'

>> This grabs all possible combinations.

>> The point is, you can test parms against values rather than column 
>> contents, as in the last line.


>> A.

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
>> Sent: May 3, 2003 2:08 PM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)


>> Arthur,

>> The scenario I described is pretty much limited to a LAN situation, 
>> not a WAN.  I can see why a WAN database may work better with an 
>> unbound database.

>> But what I really am calling about is the "All" argument.  Could you 
>> replay with an example?  This sounds like it could be really valuable.


From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun May  4 11:43:18 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 18:43:18 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] SQL to manipulate indexes
In-Reply-To: <001301c3124f$7604ac80$e3e6ffcc@SusanOne>
References: <001301c3124f$7604ac80$e3e6ffcc@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <1133841090.20030504184318@cactus.dk>

Hi Susan

Are you talking about compound indexes? Not sure if these are
"complex" though.

We have two cases: one for adjusting indexes in an existing backend
database and one for building temporary databases from scratch.

In both cases I know how many and which fields are present or needed
of an index. No big deal. The real problem is to add an index to an
existing and populated table as you have to check first if the
recorded values will allow that index to be applied and, if not, how to
handle that situation.

/gustav


> How many of you actually manipulate indexes programmatically on a frequent
> basis? How do you get around the problem of knowing how many arguments
> (field names) to pass for a complex index?


From harkins at iglou.com  Sun May  4 12:03:43 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 13:03:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL to manipulate indexes
References: <001301c3124f$7604ac80$e3e6ffcc@SusanOne>
	<1133841090.20030504184318@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <006701c3125f$1fe60ff0$e3e6ffcc@SusanOne>

>
> In both cases I know how many and which fields are present or needed
> of an index. No big deal.

==========You have a generic procedure that handles all situations?  Or, you
just write functions made to order as you need them?

Complex/compound -- same thing.

Susan H.


From artful at rogers.com  Sun May  4 12:11:47 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 13:11:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)
In-Reply-To: <13933008273.20030504182925@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <00f501c31260$3eec4da0$8e01a8c0@Rock>

Which is exactly why we need the third case, because some people have access
only to one faculty and one school within it. The second case deals with
people who have faculty access and all schools within it. The first case
deals with 'All', 'All'.

Unless I'm missing something, which has happened before and will doubtless
again.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: May 4, 2003 12:29 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)


Hi Arthur

> You've omitted the third case, where say Faculty = 'FB' and School = 
> 'BM'. Some users cannot see their whole faculty, just their school.

That's what I suspected - but the second case will return True for those
records of a given Faculty no matter what School ... ??

/gustav


> Hi Arthur

> Haven't followed this thread closely, but wonder how:

>>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID AND School_ID = @School_ID
>>         OR
>>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID
>>         OR
>>         @Faculty_ID = 'All'

> would differ from:

>>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID
>>         OR
>>         @Faculty_ID = 'All'

> /gustav


>> Glad you noticed and glad to share it. It's just one of those
>> slaps-aside-the-head that we occasionally need. In this case, it's the 
>> assumption that you test parms against column values. But suppose you 
>> reject this notion. Case in recent point, there are two columns called 
>> Faculty_ID and School_ID, so that the permutations might be something 
>> like this:

>> FB      BM
>> FB      All
>> All     All

>> The "scope" values are in a table called tblUsers. You grab the 
>> values
>> for the current user from there and apply them to a single sproc that 
>> covers all cases. Like so:

>> SELECT * FROM someTable(s)
>> WHERE
>>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID AND School_ID = @School_ID
>>         OR
>>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID
>>         OR
>>         @Faculty_ID = 'All'

>> This grabs all possible combinations.

>> The point is, you can test parms against values rather than column
>> contents, as in the last line.


>> A.

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
>> Sent: May 3, 2003 2:08 PM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)


>> Arthur,

>> The scenario I described is pretty much limited to a LAN situation, 
>> not a WAN.  I can see why a WAN database may work better with an 
>> unbound database.

>> But what I really am calling about is the "All" argument.  Could you 
>> replay with an example?  This sounds like it could be really valuable.

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From harkins at iglou.com  Sun May  4 12:14:13 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 13:14:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] favor -- about index names
Message-ID: <008501c31260$97f51e90$e3e6ffcc@SusanOne>



> CREATE TABLE States (State TEXT(15) PRIMARY KEY)
>
>
>
> Would someone please run this simple query in Access 2000 and Access 97
and
> then open the new table
>
> and tell me how Jet named the index? I don't have either installed
anymore.
>
>
>
> Jet 4 (Access 2002) assigns an index value type name -- for example
> Index_542C89A9_F5FE_4304 -- which I don't believe earlier
>
> versions of Jet did -- just checking because I don't remember.
>
>
>
> This looks new to me. Seems to me, Jet always used the field's name as the
> index name.
>
>
>
> Susan H.
>
>
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From artful at rogers.com  Sun May  4 12:14:39 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 13:14:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL to manipulate indexes
In-Reply-To: <006701c3125f$1fe60ff0$e3e6ffcc@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <00f601c31260$a51df470$8e01a8c0@Rock>

Except for code to create databases, tables, and indexes (as when porting an
app), I have never manipulated indexes through code. I've played around in
ADOX and written code to do this sort of thing, but mainly as a learning
experience. I've never yet encountered a situation where I needed to do
this. So out of curiosity, what's the situation?

A.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: May 4, 2003 1:04 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL to manipulate indexes


>
> In both cases I know how many and which fields are present or needed 
> of an index. No big deal.

==========You have a generic procedure that handles all situations?  Or, you
just write functions made to order as you need them?

Complex/compound -- same thing.

Susan H.

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun May  4 12:26:55 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 19:26:55 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)
In-Reply-To: <00f501c31260$3eec4da0$8e01a8c0@Rock>
References: <00f501c31260$3eec4da0$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <1836458033.20030504192655@cactus.dk>

<b></b>
Hi Arthur

Hmm - are we on the same channel? Over.

I just can't see why the second case here:

>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID AND School_ID = @School_ID
>         OR
>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID
>         OR
>         @Faculty_ID = 'All'

will NOT return True for any record of a given Faculty_ID no matter
what School_ID you pass? 

/gustav


> Which is exactly why we need the third case, because some people have access
> only to one faculty and one school within it. The second case deals with
> people who have faculty access and all schools within it. The first case
> deals with 'All', 'All'.

> Unless I'm missing something, which has happened before and will doubtless
> again.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: May 4, 2003 12:29 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)


> Hi Arthur

>> You've omitted the third case, where say Faculty = 'FB' and School = 
>> 'BM'. Some users cannot see their whole faculty, just their school.

> That's what I suspected - but the second case will return True for those
> records of a given Faculty no matter what School ... ??

> /gustav


>> Hi Arthur

>> Haven't followed this thread closely, but wonder how:

>>>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID AND School_ID = @School_ID
>>>         OR
>>>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID
>>>         OR
>>>         @Faculty_ID = 'All'

>> would differ from:

>>>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID
>>>         OR
>>>         @Faculty_ID = 'All'

>> /gustav


>>> Glad you noticed and glad to share it. It's just one of those
>>> slaps-aside-the-head that we occasionally need. In this case, it's the 
>>> assumption that you test parms against column values. But suppose you 
>>> reject this notion. Case in recent point, there are two columns called 
>>> Faculty_ID and School_ID, so that the permutations might be something 
>>> like this:

>>> FB      BM
>>> FB      All
>>> All     All

>>> The "scope" values are in a table called tblUsers. You grab the 
>>> values
>>> for the current user from there and apply them to a single sproc that 
>>> covers all cases. Like so:

>>> SELECT * FROM someTable(s)
>>> WHERE
>>>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID AND School_ID = @School_ID
>>>         OR
>>>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID
>>>         OR
>>>         @Faculty_ID = 'All'

>>> This grabs all possible combinations.

>>> The point is, you can test parms against values rather than column
>>> contents, as in the last line.


>>> A.

>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
>>> Sent: May 3, 2003 2:08 PM
>>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)


>>> Arthur,

>>> The scenario I described is pretty much limited to a LAN situation, 
>>> not a WAN.  I can see why a WAN database may work better with an 
>>> unbound database.

>>> But what I really am calling about is the "All" argument.  Could you 
>>> replay with an example?  This sounds like it could be really valuable.


From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun May  4 12:37:28 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 19:37:28 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] SQL to manipulate indexes
In-Reply-To: <006701c3125f$1fe60ff0$e3e6ffcc@SusanOne>
References: <001301c3124f$7604ac80$e3e6ffcc@SusanOne>
	<006701c3125f$1fe60ff0$e3e6ffcc@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <10837091494.20030504193728@cactus.dk>

Hi Susan

>> In both cases I know how many and which fields are present or needed
>> of an index. No big deal.

> ==========You have a generic procedure that handles all situations?  Or, you
> just write functions made to order as you need them?

I write functions for each case as manipulating indexes is a minor
part only; except for building temporary databases you will have to
check several conditions before you adjust an index and afterwards you
may need to run some updating function like adding a new relation.

For generic functions you may look at the Back End Upgrader (BEU)
project but - as far as I understand - this does not handle the
individual check/update of data.

/gustav


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Sun May  4 12:42:35 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 18:42:35 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Eval not working?
In-Reply-To: <F4FD32CEB33B314B9187B3A6599B3D6E5CAA4B@lbbx2ktemp1.corp.int.bromley.gov.uk>
Message-ID: <014901c31264$8cb7ef40$b274d0d5@andypc>

Sounds odd Ryan. It should work as you have it, and I'd certainly expect
Access to fail if the function name was incorrect. Have you stepped
through it in debug?
 

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk <http://www.minstersystems.co.uk/> 



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Smethurst,
Ryan
Sent: 02 May 2003 17:24
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Eval not working?



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Hi All, 

I have a series of functions that need to be run one after the other. 

They are all prefixed with the "Update_" and I was hoping to simply loop
through labels on a form to complete the names and voila.

But when I use: 

strname = First then Second then Third etc etc (example) 

Eval("Update_" & strName & "()") 

although I get no error, the function isn't called? 

Does anyone know why? 

TIA 
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Sun May  4 12:42:35 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 18:42:35 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] favor -- about index names
In-Reply-To: <008501c31260$97f51e90$e3e6ffcc@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <014e01c31264$8d137cc0$b274d0d5@andypc>

Susan 
In A97 it fails and I had to recode as 

CREATE TABLE States (State TEXT(15) CONSTRAINT PrimaryKey PRIMARY KEY)

so no question about index name as I had to give one.

In A2K it worked. the index name was "Index_5F808805_DE92_4A13" which is
quite catchy I'm sure you'll agree.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Susan Harkins
> Sent: 04 May 2003 18:14
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] favor -- about index names
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > CREATE TABLE States (State TEXT(15) PRIMARY KEY)
> >
> >
> >
> > Would someone please run this simple query in Access 2000 
> and Access 
> > 97
> and
> > then open the new table
> >
> > and tell me how Jet named the index? I don't have either installed
> anymore.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jet 4 (Access 2002) assigns an index value type name -- for example 
> > Index_542C89A9_F5FE_4304 -- which I don't believe earlier
> >
> > versions of Jet did -- just checking because I don't remember.
> >
> >
> >
> > This looks new to me. Seems to me, Jet always used the 
> field's name as 
> > the index name.
> >
> >
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dba-OT mailing list
> > dba-OT at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-ot
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sun May  4 14:43:07 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 12:43:07 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: [dba-OT] favor -- about index names
References: <008501c31260$97f51e90$e3e6ffcc@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <3EB56D4B.8070706@shaw.ca>



Susan Harkins wrote:

>  
>
>>CREATE TABLE States (State TEXT(15) PRIMARY KEY)
>>
>>
>>
>>Would someone please run this simple query in Access 2000 and Access 97
>>    
>>
>and
>  
>
>>then open the new table
>>
>>and tell me how Jet named the index? I don't have either installed
>>    
>>
>anymore.
>  
>
>>
>>Jet 4 (Access 2002) assigns an index value type name -- for example
>>Index_542C89A9_F5FE_4304 -- which I don't believe earlier
>>
>>versions of Jet did -- just checking because I don't remember.
>>
>>
>>
>>This looks new to me. Seems to me, Jet always used the field's name as the
>>index name.
>>    
>>

 In Access 2003 the index name is
     Index_5176FBB8_AEC2_42D4

In Access97  

CREATE TABLE States (State TEXT(15) PRIMARY KEY)

gives a syntax error, it will only compile if index named with 
constraint clause

CREATE TABLE States (State TEXT(15) constraint mykey  Primary Key)


From harkins at iglou.com  Sun May  4 17:56:53 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 18:56:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] exporting Access table schema to SQL Server
Message-ID: <00ce01c31290$76aaee10$a6e6ffcc@SusanOne>

I'm pretty familiar with XML in Access -- need to export table schema to SQL
Server and I'm thinking it should be a fairly cut and dry, easy process.
Anyone have experience and run into trouble?

Susan H.


From artful at rogers.com  Sun May  4 18:22:20 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 19:22:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)
In-Reply-To: <1836458033.20030504192655@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <011401c31294$027f68f0$8e01a8c0@Rock>

Oops. In my needless haste, I think I wrote it incorrectly. Should have
been:

Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID AND School_ID = @School_ID
OR
Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID AND @School_ID = 'All'
OR
@Faculty_ID = 'All'

This is intended to account for three cases, summarized in the following
possible arguments:

@Faculty_ID = 'All' and @School_ID is 'All' - show everything
@Faculty_ID = "FB" and @School_ID = 'All' - show all faculty of business
schools
Faculty_ID = "FB" and School_ID = 'BM' - show only the business management
school in the faculty of business

I have no emotional investment in three cases. If it can be done in two I'm
happy to go revise.

A.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: May 4, 2003 1:27 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)


<b></b>
Hi Arthur

Hmm - are we on the same channel? Over.

I just can't see why the second case here:

>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID AND School_ID = @School_ID
>         OR
>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID
>         OR
>         @Faculty_ID = 'All'

will NOT return True for any record of a given Faculty_ID no matter what
School_ID you pass? 

/gustav


> Which is exactly why we need the third case, because some people have 
> access only to one faculty and one school within it. The second case 
> deals with people who have faculty access and all schools within it. 
> The first case deals with 'All', 'All'.

> Unless I'm missing something, which has happened before and will 
> doubtless again.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav 
> Brock
> Sent: May 4, 2003 12:29 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)


> Hi Arthur

>> You've omitted the third case, where say Faculty = 'FB' and School =
>> 'BM'. Some users cannot see their whole faculty, just their school.

> That's what I suspected - but the second case will return True for 
> those records of a given Faculty no matter what School ... ??

> /gustav


>> Hi Arthur

>> Haven't followed this thread closely, but wonder how:

>>>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID AND School_ID = @School_ID
>>>         OR
>>>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID
>>>         OR
>>>         @Faculty_ID = 'All'

>> would differ from:

>>>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID
>>>         OR
>>>         @Faculty_ID = 'All'

>> /gustav


>>> Glad you noticed and glad to share it. It's just one of those 
>>> slaps-aside-the-head that we occasionally need. In this case, it's 
>>> the assumption that you test parms against column values. But 
>>> suppose you reject this notion. Case in recent point, there are two 
>>> columns called Faculty_ID and School_ID, so that the permutations 
>>> might be something like this:

>>> FB      BM
>>> FB      All
>>> All     All

>>> The "scope" values are in a table called tblUsers. You grab the
>>> values
>>> for the current user from there and apply them to a single sproc that 
>>> covers all cases. Like so:

>>> SELECT * FROM someTable(s)
>>> WHERE
>>>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID AND School_ID = @School_ID
>>>         OR
>>>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID
>>>         OR
>>>         @Faculty_ID = 'All'

>>> This grabs all possible combinations.

>>> The point is, you can test parms against values rather than column 
>>> contents, as in the last line.


>>> A.

>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan 
>>> Waters
>>> Sent: May 3, 2003 2:08 PM
>>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)


>>> Arthur,

>>> The scenario I described is pretty much limited to a LAN situation,
>>> not a WAN.  I can see why a WAN database may work better with an 
>>> unbound database.

>>> But what I really am calling about is the "All" argument.  Could you
>>> replay with an example?  This sounds like it could be really valuable.

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From sgoodhall at comcast.net  Sun May  4 18:30:31 2003
From: sgoodhall at comcast.net (Steve Goodhall)
Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 19:30:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Easily copy the latest FE to workstation
In-Reply-To: <000c01c30e8a$04fd9830$de1811d8@DanWaters>
Message-ID: <GGEJLPBDCMFILPFNBMLPEEKGCIAA.sgoodhall@comcast.net>

I have a set of utilities on my web site that will do this.  It uses custom
properties in the database to control a version number.  Go to
http://www.goodhall.info/STEVE/ and click on the "Useful Software" link.

Regards,

Steve Goodhall


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 4:01 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Easily copy the latest FE to workstation


Another option for this task is a utility written by Tony Toews called
Auto FE Updater.  It is available at:

http://www.granite.ab.ca/access/autofe.htm

I set this up in my last company and it worked well!

Dan Waters



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 8:15 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Easily copy the latest FE to workstation


There has been talk about using batch files to update an FE from a
server before running it.  These all require some degree of
customisation, possibly through environment variables, to hard code
the location of MS Access and therefore are a PITA to set up on
multiple workstations.  I decided it was time to build one of my
little utilities to simply the process.

Now that I've built it, it's available for anyone that wants a copy
at http://www.lexacorp.com.pg  - click on the Free software button
and look for RunLocal under the "Miscellaneous Utilities"

It's only a 12KB download

RunLocal.Exe:
Copies a file to another directory and then opens the file using the
default application.

Usage: RunLocal PathAndFileName [/A]||[/D RunDirectory]

With no switches, the file PathAndFileName will be copied to the
default directory - ie the 'Start In' directory specified in a
shortcut or the directory from which the batch file or command line
is run"

With the /A switch the file will be copied to the Application
directory - ie the directory where RunLocal.exe is located"

With the /D switch the file will be copied to directory RunDirectory,
which will be created if necessary

Running the program with no parameters displays a simple help screen

Example:
"RunLocal \\MyServer\SharedDir\MyApp.MDE /D C:\Temp"
copies the latest version of MyApp.MDE from the server to C:\Temp
andd then opens C:\Temp\MyApp.MDE.

It uses ShelllExecute() to find and load the application required so
you can use it any registered file type.




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From mikedorism at ntelos.net  Sun May  4 20:52:16 2003
From: mikedorism at ntelos.net (Mike and Doris Manning)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 21:52:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Drop-down menus in Access
In-Reply-To: <Sea2-F17pd564vnoAc80004c7cb@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001c312a8$f8d1ca90$d93d0cd8@hargrove.internal>

Look in the help files or ADH for creating your own menu bar or tool bar.

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Black
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 9:52 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Drop-down menus in Access


Hello

Could someone please point me to an article or an online example of how to 
create a drop-down menu within Access. I need an app that has this to 
minimize the amount of button objects within an app.

I can use A97, A2000, AXP for the app.

Thanks

Paul

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From Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK  Mon May  5 01:44:14 2003
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK (Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 07:44:14 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] exporting Access table schema to SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <00ce01c31290$76aaee10$a6e6ffcc@SusanOne>
References: <00ce01c31290$76aaee10$a6e6ffcc@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <1052117054.3eb6083e38910@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

Nope. Always straight forward

Martin

Quoting Susan Harkins <harkins at iglou.com>:

> I'm pretty familiar with XML in Access -- need to export table schema to
> SQL
> Server and I'm thinking it should be a fairly cut and dry, easy
> process.
> Anyone have experience and run into trouble?
> 
> Susan H.
> 
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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Mon May  5 01:58:25 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 16:28:25 +0930 
Subject: [AccessD] Easily copy the latest FE to workstation
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A005@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

We just use this simple batch script:

***********************************************
*@echo off
*if not exist "c:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Data\MyDB_V1.mde" goto
getdb:
goto startdb
:getdb
*md "c:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Data" >nul
*del "c:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Data\MyDB_V*.mde" >nul
*copy l:\master\MyDB_V1.mde "c:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Data" >nul
*:startdb
*"c:\program files\microsoft office\office\msaccess.exe" "c:\Documents and
Settings\All Users\Data\MyDB_V1.mde"
**********************************************

The database in this example is called MYDB_V1.mde.  When I create a new
version, following conventions, it will be called v1.1 or v2 etc, so we
simply change the name in the script.

The shortcut on all users desktops points to this shortcut.

HTH,
Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Goodhall [mailto:sgoodhall at comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, 5 May 2003 9:01 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Easily copy the latest FE to workstation


I have a set of utilities on my web site that will do this.  It uses custom
properties in the database to control a version number.  Go to
http://www.goodhall.info/STEVE/ and click on the "Useful Software" link.

Regards,

Steve Goodhall


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 4:01 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Easily copy the latest FE to workstation


Another option for this task is a utility written by Tony Toews called
Auto FE Updater.  It is available at:

http://www.granite.ab.ca/access/autofe.htm

I set this up in my last company and it worked well!

Dan Waters



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 8:15 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Easily copy the latest FE to workstation


There has been talk about using batch files to update an FE from a
server before running it.  These all require some degree of
customisation, possibly through environment variables, to hard code
the location of MS Access and therefore are a PITA to set up on
multiple workstations.  I decided it was time to build one of my
little utilities to simply the process.

Now that I've built it, it's available for anyone that wants a copy
at http://www.lexacorp.com.pg  - click on the Free software button
and look for RunLocal under the "Miscellaneous Utilities"

It's only a 12KB download

RunLocal.Exe:
Copies a file to another directory and then opens the file using the
default application.

Usage: RunLocal PathAndFileName [/A]||[/D RunDirectory]

With no switches, the file PathAndFileName will be copied to the
default directory - ie the 'Start In' directory specified in a
shortcut or the directory from which the batch file or command line
is run"

With the /A switch the file will be copied to the Application
directory - ie the directory where RunLocal.exe is located"

With the /D switch the file will be copied to directory RunDirectory,
which will be created if necessary

Running the program with no parameters displays a simple help screen

Example:
"RunLocal \\MyServer\SharedDir\MyApp.MDE /D C:\Temp"
copies the latest version of MyApp.MDE from the server to C:\Temp
andd then opens C:\Temp\MyApp.MDE.

It uses ShelllExecute() to find and load the application required so
you can use it any registered file type.




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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon May  5 04:04:26 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 11:04:26 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)
In-Reply-To: <011401c31294$027f68f0$8e01a8c0@Rock>
References: <011401c31294$027f68f0$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <1271347657.20030505110426@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

Phew! I was beginning to wonder if one of your senior moments had been
extended beyond a point of no return.

/gustav


> Oops. In my needless haste, I think I wrote it incorrectly. Should have
> been:

> Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID AND School_ID = @School_ID
> OR
> Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID AND @School_ID = 'All'
> OR
> @Faculty_ID = 'All'

> This is intended to account for three cases, summarized in the following
> possible arguments:

> @Faculty_ID = 'All' and @School_ID is 'All' - show everything
> @Faculty_ID = "FB" and @School_ID = 'All' - show all faculty of business
> schools
> Faculty_ID = "FB" and School_ID = 'BM' - show only the business management
> school in the faculty of business

> I have no emotional investment in three cases. If it can be done in two I'm
> happy to go revise.

> A.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: May 4, 2003 1:27 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Upsizing (was: Desperately Seeking!)


> Hi Arthur

> Hmm - are we on the same channel? Over.

> I just can't see why the second case here:

>>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID AND School_ID = @School_ID
>>         OR
>>         Faculty_ID = @Faculty_ID
>>         OR
>>         @Faculty_ID = 'All'

> will NOT return True for any record of a given Faculty_ID no matter what
> School_ID you pass? 


From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Mon May  5 04:15:53 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 11:15:53 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] *****AccessD Conference - Call for Papers*****
References: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A005@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>
Message-ID: <08c501c312e6$edac5ca0$0300a8c0@S856>

 
The 3rd AccessD Conference will be held
August-08 through August-10 2003
in Freising / Germany (near Munich)

Depending on the number of participants, the presentations will be held at
either my house or a nearby location.

Please send
Title and short Abstract of your presentation to
dba-conf at databaseadvisors.com

thank you
Lembit

Lembit Soobik



From ad_tp at hotmail.com  Mon May  5 04:04:08 2003
From: ad_tp at hotmail.com (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 14:34:08 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Close current database
References: <3EB22E3E.16527.245D52@localhost>
	<3EB2FA58.3319.341A669@localhost>
Message-ID: <Law9-OE58BYvhPBB3pd0000ee00@hotmail.com>

Jeanine,

    You may also like to try on the following lines.
    Let SourceDb and DestnDb be the string variables representing full paths of source & destination databases. Desired sequence of action -  Close SourceDb, Open DestnDb, take desired action within DestnDb, close DestnDb, return back to SourceDb. Two alternatives could be considered -

    Case-1 -- Hard coding
    (a) Exit Code in SourceDb -
        Dim acp As Access.Application        
        Set acp = New Access.Application
        acp.Visible = True
        acp.OpenCurrentDatabase DestnDb
        Application.Quit acQuitSaveAll

    (b) Code in startup form of DestnDb -
        << Code for action in DestnDb >>
        Dim acp As Access.Application        
        Set acp = New Access.Application
        acp.Visible = True
        acp.OpenCurrentDatabase SourceDb
        Application.Quit acQuitSaveAll

    Case-2 -- Flexible Response
    (a) Create a table (named "T_Status") in SourceDb.It will have two fields, both of text type - namely  DbFullPath(full path of source database) and Status("R" for return back to SourceDb, "S" for stay put in DestnDb).Values need not be filled manually.

    (b) Relevant command button in SourceDb would have following code in its click event -
        Dim rst1 As ADODB.Recordset
        Dim FPT As String, TBL As String
        Dim DestnDb As String, STS As String
        Dim acp As Access.Application
        
        DestnDb = "<Put here full path of destination database>"
        TBL = "T_Status"
        STS = "R"      ' R - for return back to Source Database, 
'                                S - for stay put in Destination Database.
        FPT = CurrentProject.FullName     ' Gives Full Path

        Set rst1 = New ADODB.Recordset
        Set rst1.ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection
        rst1.CursorType = adOpenKeyset
        rst1.LockType = adLockOptimistic
        rst1.Source = TBL
        
        rst1.Open options:=adCmdTable
        If rst1.RecordCount > 0 Then
            rst1.MoveFirst
            rst1.Fields("DbFullPath") = FPT
            rst1.Fields("Status") = STS
        Else
            rst1.AddNew
            rst1.Fields("DbFullPath") = FPT
            rst1.Fields("Status") = STS
        End If           ' rst1.RecCount
        rst1.Update
        
        DoCmd.TransferDatabase acExport, "Microsoft Access", _
                DestnDb, acTable, TBL, TBL
                
        rst1.Close
        Set rst1 = Nothing

        Set acp = New Access.Application
        acp.Visible = True
        acp.OpenCurrentDatabase DestnDb
        Application.Quit acQuitSaveAll

    (c) Code in startup form of DestnDb -
        << Code for action in DestnDb >>
        Dim STS As String, FPT As String
        Dim acp As Access.Application
        STS = Nz(DLookup("Status", "T_Status"), "")
        FPT = Nz(DLookup("DbFullPath", "T_Status"), "")
        If STS = "R" And Len(FPT) > 0 Then
            Set acp = New Access.Application
            acp.Visible = True
            acp.OpenCurrentDatabase FPT
            Application.Quit acQuitSaveAll
        End If        ' STS

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------------------------

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Charlotte Foust 
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 20:44
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Close current database

    Take a look at the OpenCurrentDatabase method.  Both databases stay open but you switch to the new one.

Charlotte Foust

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Stuart McLachlan 
  To: Jeanine ; accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 18:38
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Close current database


  On 2 May 2003 at 7:29, Jeanine wrote:
  > 
  > I just can't get the darn thing to close itself and open another db.
  > 
  One way, of the top of my head would be:

  Public Declare Function ShellExecute Lib "shell32.dll" Alias _
  "ShellExecuteA" (ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal lpOperation As String, _
  ByVal lpFile As String, ByVal lpParameters As String, ByVal _
  lpDirectory As String, ByVal nShowCmd As Long) As Long _

  Sub OpenTheOtherOne()
  ShellExecute(0,"Open","C:\Full\Path\To\YourSecondApp.mdb"","","",1)
  DoCmd.Quit
  End Sub

  Lexacorp Ltd
  http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
  Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
  Support.

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Jeanine [mailto:jscott at mchsi.com] 
  Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 4:30 AM
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: [AccessD] Close current database

  I am running into some problems with something and I think I may just be
  making it too hard. I want to open one database from another - close the
  first and run some code in the second. Then close the second and open
  the first again.

  I have messed around with the open and close currentdb methods but they
  only seem to be for the purpose of automation.

  My objective is to check the current version when my users open their
  application. If the version is not current the routine will close the
  application and open a separate db that does the copy routine. Then the
  copy db will close itself and re-open the application. My theory is this
  will give the users a pretty seamless version control system.

  I just can't get the darn thing to close itself and open another db.

  Thanks!

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon May  5 07:33:09 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 08:33:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Late binding Withevents
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEGHDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Folks,

I am trying to use the late binding technique where you use compiler
constants to use early binding when developing and late binding for
production.  The following gives a compile error:

#Const Dev = False
#If Dev = True Then
Dim WithEvents myOlApp As Outlook.Application
#Else
Dim WithEvents myOlApp As object
#End If

on the dim statement in the #Else clause.

Are we saying that we can't use late binding if we dim an object withevents?
If that is true, it is a rather serious flaw in the concept!!!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From harkins at iglou.com  Mon May  5 07:40:42 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 08:40:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Drop-down menus in Access
References: <000001c312a8$f8d1ca90$d93d0cd8@hargrove.internal>
Message-ID: <003001c31303$953e65f0$154afccc@SusanOne>

>From experience, I was never able to get the dropdown menu to work -- the
terminology was inconsistent and I never could get the calls just right. I
could get the dropdown menu control, just couldn't populate it. It's been
several years, so perhaps the whole process has gotten easier! Good luck!

Susan H.


> Look in the help files or ADH for creating your own menu bar or tool bar.
>



From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Mon May  5 07:58:13 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 05:58:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Filtering Query Question
Message-ID: <20030505125813.32821.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com>

I have several checkboxes on a form.  I have a query I
am calling a filter.  Based on these checkboxes I
would like to "filter" various things out of a report.

For instance I have one checkbox that cooresponds to
extension to extension calls.  If it is checked, I
don't want to display those.  The back-end table has a
CallType field that will have the value 0, 1, 2, or 3.
 CallType 1 cooresponds to ext to ext calls.  So, if
the checkbox is checked I would like to filter out all
CallType 1 calls.

I am having a heck of a time getting it to do this. 
It's either filtering everything or nothing.  Any
clues you could give me would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Mon May  5 08:02:58 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 09:02:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Late binding Withevents
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B2E@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

John,

Does it work if you remove the WithEvents?

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 8:33 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Late binding Withevents


Folks,

I am trying to use the late binding technique where you use compiler
constants to use early binding when developing and late binding for
production.  The following gives a compile error:

#Const Dev = False
#If Dev = True Then
Dim WithEvents myOlApp As Outlook.Application
#Else
Dim WithEvents myOlApp As object
#End If

on the dim statement in the #Else clause.

Are we saying that we can't use late binding if we dim an object withevents?
If that is true, it is a rather serious flaw in the concept!!!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon May  5 08:10:15 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 09:10:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Late binding Withevents
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B2E@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEGIDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Yep.  I have found articles that state quite clearly that late binding does
not work with Withevents.

8-(

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:03 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Late binding Withevents


John,

Does it work if you remove the WithEvents?

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 8:33 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Late binding Withevents


Folks,

I am trying to use the late binding technique where you use compiler
constants to use early binding when developing and late binding for
production.  The following gives a compile error:

#Const Dev = False
#If Dev = True Then
Dim WithEvents myOlApp As Outlook.Application
#Else
Dim WithEvents myOlApp As object
#End If

on the dim statement in the #Else clause.

Are we saying that we can't use late binding if we dim an object withevents?
If that is true, it is a rather serious flaw in the concept!!!

John W. Colby
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From jbhuffman at mdh.org  Mon May  5 08:11:49 2003
From: jbhuffman at mdh.org (Huffman, Jarad B.)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 08:11:49 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Access VB question
Message-ID: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B48019356C9@NEWMAN_EXC>

Thanks for all of the responses...  It looks like I have some things to try!

Jarad

From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon May  5 08:49:04 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 06:49:04 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging
References: <00b201c31109$834c7630$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <002401c3130d$192a48d0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Dear Rocky:

Perhaps you could put an invisible page break between each sub-report.  Then in the OnOpen event of the report, Dcount the records in each of the eight sub-reports and estimate the height of the sub-report from the sub-report's report header plus the number of detail records.  Then make the page break visible to separate the sub reports.

Of course since one of the fields in the detail record 'can grow' and does, it's going to be an estimate at best.  Also, this means potentially a lot of white space on a page. Nah, that won't really work well.  You need to know where you are on the page during the printing of the sub-report and page when it gets close to the bottom.

Maybe someone else has an idea.

With my very best regards for you and your family,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:18 PM
  Subject: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


  Dear List:

  I have a report that consists of eight sub reports.  Each sub-report can be of a different length.  Each sub-report has a report header with some descriptive text.  

  The problem is that the main report page breaks in odd places sometimes even cutting a line of the subreport in half horizontally!

  I can, of course, insert an invisible page break between each sub-report and make it visible if I'm close to the bottom of the page.  But I don't know how to know, during the printing of the sub-report, where I am on the main report.

  Anybody got any ideas?

  MTIA,

  Rocky Smolin
  Beach Access Software



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From mikedorism at ntelos.net  Mon May  5 09:29:15 2003
From: mikedorism at ntelos.net (Mike and Doris Manning)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 10:29:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Filtering Query Question
In-Reply-To: <20030505125813.32821.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001501c31312$b7c8e000$94310cd8@hargrove.internal>

WHERE CallType <> 1

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Frank Tanner III
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 8:58 AM
To: Database Advisors
Subject: [AccessD] Filtering Query Question


I have several checkboxes on a form.  I have a query I
am calling a filter.  Based on these checkboxes I
would like to "filter" various things out of a report.

For instance I have one checkbox that cooresponds to
extension to extension calls.  If it is checked, I
don't want to display those.  The back-end table has a
CallType field that will have the value 0, 1, 2, or 3.
 CallType 1 cooresponds to ext to ext calls.  So, if
the checkbox is checked I would like to filter out all
CallType 1 calls.

I am having a heck of a time getting it to do this. 
It's either filtering everything or nothing.  Any
clues you could give me would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.
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From sgeller at cce.umn.edu  Mon May  5 09:53:54 2003
From: sgeller at cce.umn.edu (Susan Geller)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 09:53:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  New Name (cross posted)
Message-ID: <CD6E25A7E2F6734FA126AED83B9D54FB01119AF6@ccemail2.cce.local>

> For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know that
> I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when I got
> married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I married
> someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the last name
> of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was awesome and
> we are in total married bliss.   
> 
> --Susan
> 
> 
> Susan B. Geller
> Office of Information Systems
> College of Continuing Education
> University of Minnesota
> 306 Wesbrook Hall
> 77 Pleasant Street SE
> Minneapolis, MN 55455
> Phone:  612-626-4785
> Fax:  612-625-2568
> 
> 

From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Mon May  5 10:11:41 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 10:11:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] RE: [dba-SQLServer]OT:  New Name (cross posted)
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F877EE@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Congratulations!  May you two have a long and prosperous life together.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Monday 2003 May 05 09:54
To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]OT: New Name (cross posted)

> For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know that

> I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when I got

> married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I married 
> someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the last name 
> of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was awesome and
> we are in total married bliss.   
> 
> --Susan
> 
> 
> Susan B. Geller
> Office of Information Systems
> College of Continuing Education
> University of Minnesota
> 306 Wesbrook Hall
> 77 Pleasant Street SE
> Minneapolis, MN 55455
> Phone:  612-626-4785
> Fax:  612-625-2568

From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon May  5 10:11:27 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 16:11:27 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  New Name (cross posted)
In-Reply-To: <CD6E25A7E2F6734FA126AED83B9D54FB01119AF6@ccemail2.cce.local>
Message-ID: <016e01c31318$99b318a0$b274d0d5@andypc>

Many congrats Susan :-)

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Susan Geller
> Sent: 05 May 2003 15:54
> To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (cross posted)
> 
> 
> > For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let 
> you know that 
> > I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 
> when I got 
> > married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I married 
> > someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the 
> last name 
> > of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was awesome and
> > we are in total married bliss.   
> > 
> > --Susan
> > 
> > 
> > Susan B. Geller
> > Office of Information Systems
> > College of Continuing Education
> > University of Minnesota
> > 306 Wesbrook Hall
> > 77 Pleasant Street SE
> > Minneapolis, MN 55455
> > Phone:  612-626-4785
> > Fax:  612-625-2568
> > 
> > 
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon May  5 10:16:22 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 11:16:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Replication concept
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEGNDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Folks,

I just wanted to run an idea past you guys.  One of the concerns expressed
by my client's users was the time required for changes to ripple around if
we used the "standard" replication scheme of a BE on every desktop.  It
occurred to me that perhaps the client could create 2 or 3 "servers" where
each server had a copy of the BE.  Instead of 25-30 users all linked into a
single back end, have 10 users each (roughly) linked into one of three BEs.
Those three BEs then replicated amongst themselves.  The business breaks
down into three distinct sets of users (business groups) so that perhaps all
members of a group could link to the same BE, thus getting instant access to
the changes from it's group and yet still have rapid access to changes from
the other two business groups since the replication circuit would consist of
only three BEs instead of 30.

This would allow other advantages as well if the client wanted to pursue
them, such as segmented networks, with each server having it's own routers
and thus the traffic routed to each server would drop considerable.

My question to you is, does the idea of a small number of BEs (probably 3),
sitting on servers, replicating amongst themselves, linked to the FEs on
users desktop machines - does this idea make sense?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From sgeller at cce.umn.edu  Mon May  5 10:17:02 2003
From: sgeller at cce.umn.edu (Susan Geller)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 10:17:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
Message-ID: <CD6E25A7E2F6734FA126AED83B9D54FB01119AF7@ccemail2.cce.local>


 For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know that 
 I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when I got 
 married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I married 
 someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the last name 
 of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was awesome and
 we are in total married bliss.   
 
 --Susan
 
Susan B. Geller
Office of Information Systems
College of Continuing Education
University of Minnesota
306 Wesbrook Hall
77 Pleasant Street SE
Minneapolis, MN 55455
Phone:  612-626-4785
Fax:  612-625-2568


From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Mon May  5 10:06:18 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 17:06:18 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  New Name (cross posted)
References: <CD6E25A7E2F6734FA126AED83B9D54FB01119AF6@ccemail2.cce.local>
Message-ID: <094301c31319$ca28af80$0300a8c0@S856>

Susan,
Congratulations and my best wishes :)
Lembit

Lembit Soobik

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Geller" <sgeller at cce.umn.edu>
To: <dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com>; <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 4:53 PM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (cross posted)


> > For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know that
> > I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when I got
> > married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I married
> > someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the last name
> > of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was awesome and
> > we are in total married bliss.   
> > 
> > --Susan
> > 
> > 
> > Susan B. Geller
> > Office of Information Systems
> > College of Continuing Education
> > University of Minnesota
> > 306 Wesbrook Hall
> > 77 Pleasant Street SE
> > Minneapolis, MN 55455
> > Phone:  612-626-4785
> > Fax:  612-625-2568
> > 
> > 
> _______________________________________________
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From DElam at jenkens.com  Mon May  5 10:24:07 2003
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 10:24:07 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Replication concept
Message-ID: <4AAC675EBAF3D411BCA200508BCFAA8E02F21866@NATEXCH1>

I have something like this already working.  I needed a WAN solution and it
just made sense to put a BE in each city and replicate them.  Each user has
a FE on their desktop and connects to their local BE.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:16 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Replication concept


Folks,

I just wanted to run an idea past you guys.  One of the concerns expressed
by my client's users was the time required for changes to ripple around if
we used the "standard" replication scheme of a BE on every desktop.  It
occurred to me that perhaps the client could create 2 or 3 "servers" where
each server had a copy of the BE.  Instead of 25-30 users all linked into a
single back end, have 10 users each (roughly) linked into one of three BEs.
Those three BEs then replicated amongst themselves.  The business breaks
down into three distinct sets of users (business groups) so that perhaps all
members of a group could link to the same BE, thus getting instant access to
the changes from it's group and yet still have rapid access to changes from
the other two business groups since the replication circuit would consist of
only three BEs instead of 30.

This would allow other advantages as well if the client wanted to pursue
them, such as segmented networks, with each server having it's own routers
and thus the traffic routed to each server would drop considerable.

My question to you is, does the idea of a small number of BEs (probably 3),
sitting on servers, replicating amongst themselves, linked to the FEs on
users desktop machines - does this idea make sense?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon May  5 10:35:52 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 11:35:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Replication concept
In-Reply-To: <4AAC675EBAF3D411BCA200508BCFAA8E02F21866@NATEXCH1>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEGODKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Debbie,

How are the BEs connected, i.e. what replication mechanism?  What is the
time to replicate and how often do they replicate?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Elam, Debbie
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:24 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Replication concept


I have something like this already working.  I needed a WAN solution and it
just made sense to put a BE in each city and replicate them.  Each user has
a FE on their desktop and connects to their local BE.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:16 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Replication concept


Folks,

I just wanted to run an idea past you guys.  One of the concerns expressed
by my client's users was the time required for changes to ripple around if
we used the "standard" replication scheme of a BE on every desktop.  It
occurred to me that perhaps the client could create 2 or 3 "servers" where
each server had a copy of the BE.  Instead of 25-30 users all linked into a
single back end, have 10 users each (roughly) linked into one of three BEs.
Those three BEs then replicated amongst themselves.  The business breaks
down into three distinct sets of users (business groups) so that perhaps all
members of a group could link to the same BE, thus getting instant access to
the changes from it's group and yet still have rapid access to changes from
the other two business groups since the replication circuit would consist of
only three BEs instead of 30.

This would allow other advantages as well if the client wanted to pursue
them, such as segmented networks, with each server having it's own routers
and thus the traffic routed to each server would drop considerable.

My question to you is, does the idea of a small number of BEs (probably 3),
sitting on servers, replicating amongst themselves, linked to the FEs on
users desktop machines - does this idea make sense?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From liz at symphonyinfo.com  Mon May  5 10:50:12 2003
From: liz at symphonyinfo.com (Liz Doering)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 10:50:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  New Name (cross posted)
In-Reply-To: <CD6E25A7E2F6734FA126AED83B9D54FB01119AF6@ccemail2.cce.local>
Message-ID: <OBEGLONPCFDNODFCPKAIOEOACEAA.liz@symphonyinfo.com>

Susan,

All the best from your former colleagues at Symphony!

Liz Doering
Symphony Information Services
liz at symphonyinfo.com
www.symphonyinfo.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Geller
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:54 AM
To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (cross posted)


> For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know that
> I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when I got
> married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I married
> someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the last name
> of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was awesome and
> we are in total married bliss.   
> 
> --Susan
> 
> 
> Susan B. Geller
> Office of Information Systems
> College of Continuing Education
> University of Minnesota
> 306 Wesbrook Hall
> 77 Pleasant Street SE
> Minneapolis, MN 55455
> Phone:  612-626-4785
> Fax:  612-625-2568
> 
> 
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From DElam at jenkens.com  Mon May  5 10:48:18 2003
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 10:48:18 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Replication concept
Message-ID: <4AAC675EBAF3D411BCA200508BCFAA8E02F21867@NATEXCH1>

I have set up the Access replication.  That has worked pretty well.  I
replicate twice a day since none of this info is more critical than that.  I
have a program that I set off with a scheduled task.  It sets off a
replication among the BEs.  In this Access program I have a table that
records the time and date after that database is successfully replicated.  I
found that much more reassuring than depending on the replication manager
that comes with the developer's edition.  I never felt I had enough records
to be absolutely sure that the replications were going exactly as I planned.
I also have a set of backup databases, one for each day of the week.  They
replicate in only on their specified day.  This really helped in recovering
from a replication error that occurred at one point.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:36 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Replication concept


Debbie,

How are the BEs connected, i.e. what replication mechanism?  What is the
time to replicate and how often do they replicate?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Elam, Debbie
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:24 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Replication concept


I have something like this already working.  I needed a WAN solution and it
just made sense to put a BE in each city and replicate them.  Each user has
a FE on their desktop and connects to their local BE.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:16 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Replication concept


Folks,

I just wanted to run an idea past you guys.  One of the concerns expressed
by my client's users was the time required for changes to ripple around if
we used the "standard" replication scheme of a BE on every desktop.  It
occurred to me that perhaps the client could create 2 or 3 "servers" where
each server had a copy of the BE.  Instead of 25-30 users all linked into a
single back end, have 10 users each (roughly) linked into one of three BEs.
Those three BEs then replicated amongst themselves.  The business breaks
down into three distinct sets of users (business groups) so that perhaps all
members of a group could link to the same BE, thus getting instant access to
the changes from it's group and yet still have rapid access to changes from
the other two business groups since the replication circuit would consist of
only three BEs instead of 30.

This would allow other advantages as well if the client wanted to pursue
them, such as segmented networks, with each server having it's own routers
and thus the traffic routed to each server would drop considerable.

My question to you is, does the idea of a small number of BEs (probably 3),
sitting on servers, replicating amongst themselves, linked to the FEs on
users desktop machines - does this idea make sense?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Mon May  5 10:57:37 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 10:57:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] RE: [dba-SQLServer]OT:  New Name (cross posted)
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F877F0@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Francisco,

In the United States almost anyone can legally change their name for
almost any reason.  In many of the states all that you have to do is
fill out the proper forms, pay the proper fees, and affirm that you are
not changing your name to hide from your creditors or the law.  Check
with your local courthouse or a local lawyer on the details in your
state.

Are you thinking of changing your last name to Tapioca? <grin>  Or maybe
Tap?

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net] 
Sent: Monday 2003 May 05 10:42
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer]OT: New Name (cross posted)


tooooo funny!, that's exactly what I thought.. Typ-o.  I didn't know you
could make up a last name when you got married.  Is that just a state
thing or is that nation wide... (thinking why didn't I change my name to
something new ;o))

-Francisco
http://rcm.netfirms.com

From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon May  5 11:11:13 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 09:11:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  New Name (cross posted)
In-Reply-To: <CD6E25A7E2F6734FA126AED83B9D54FB01119AF6@ccemail2.cce.local>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFEEJNCHAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

A belated congratulations...Ms Geller

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Geller
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 7:54 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (cross posted)


> For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know that
> I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when I got
> married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I married
> someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the last name
> of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was awesome and
> we are in total married bliss.   
> 
> --Susan
> 
> 
> Susan B. Geller
> Office of Information Systems
> College of Continuing Education
> University of Minnesota
> 306 Wesbrook Hall
> 77 Pleasant Street SE
> Minneapolis, MN 55455
> Phone:  612-626-4785
> Fax:  612-625-2568
> 
> 
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon May  5 11:17:42 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 12:17:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  New Name (cross posted)
References: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFEEJNCHAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <002101c31321$dae8e350$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

...a belated congratulations...Mrs. Geller :)))))

William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:11 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: New Name (cross posted)


> A belated congratulations...Ms Geller
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Geller
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 7:54 AM
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (cross posted)
> 
> 
> > For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know that
> > I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when I got
> > married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I married
> > someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the last name
> > of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was awesome and
> > we are in total married bliss.   
> > 
> > --Susan
> > 
> > 
> > Susan B. Geller
> > Office of Information Systems
> > College of Continuing Education
> > University of Minnesota
> > 306 Wesbrook Hall
> > 77 Pleasant Street SE
> > Minneapolis, MN 55455
> > Phone:  612-626-4785
> > Fax:  612-625-2568
> > 
> > 
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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Mon May  5 11:19:55 2003
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 12:19:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Replication concept
Message-ID: <Law14-F22n8rc8HrqyI00038d00@hotmail.com>

Very cool John. How often would they replicate?



Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon May  5 11:21:15 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 09:21:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Replication concept
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEGNDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFOEJNCHAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi John:

Makes sense to me. I am the systems guy for a small site with only two
offices and the system has been replicating back and forth for years. The
sync process at these sites only runs twice a day, noon and evening. There
have been rare occasions when there has been data collisions but they do not
halt any processes. I have got into the habit of checking the sites once
every couple of weeks by going directly into one of the BE DBs and any
duplicates issues will popup and request resolution. The activity in each
office is moderately low, thirty entries each per day and the dup errors are
about once a year (maybe).

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 8:16 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Replication concept


Folks,

I just wanted to run an idea past you guys.  One of the concerns expressed
by my client's users was the time required for changes to ripple around if
we used the "standard" replication scheme of a BE on every desktop.  It
occurred to me that perhaps the client could create 2 or 3 "servers" where
each server had a copy of the BE.  Instead of 25-30 users all linked into a
single back end, have 10 users each (roughly) linked into one of three BEs.
Those three BEs then replicated amongst themselves.  The business breaks
down into three distinct sets of users (business groups) so that perhaps all
members of a group could link to the same BE, thus getting instant access to
the changes from it's group and yet still have rapid access to changes from
the other two business groups since the replication circuit would consist of
only three BEs instead of 30.

This would allow other advantages as well if the client wanted to pursue
them, such as segmented networks, with each server having it's own routers
and thus the traffic routed to each server would drop considerable.

My question to you is, does the idea of a small number of BEs (probably 3),
sitting on servers, replicating amongst themselves, linked to the FEs on
users desktop machines - does this idea make sense?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon May  5 11:30:33 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 12:30:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Replication concept
In-Reply-To: <Law14-F22n8rc8HrqyI00038d00@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEHBDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Julie,

The client would like them to replicate every 5 minutes or so.  With only
one master and two slaves, this is probably doable.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Julie
Reardon-Taylor
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:20 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Replication concept


Very cool John. How often would they replicate?



Julie Reardon-Taylor
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From mitsules_ms at nns.com  Mon May  5 11:29:54 2003
From: mitsules_ms at nns.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 12:29:54 -0400 
Subject: Bruce Bruen's email Client   Was: RE: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&
	^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E293B1@nnse14.nns.com>

Bruce,

I would have answered sooner, however the weekend shouted my name quite
early on Friday:)  But, to second Drew's reply...yes, the message below came
across as plain text.  And, many thanks...I didn't mean for you to go to any
trouble, I was hoping I could address it on my end if possible.


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Bruen [mailto:bbruen at bigpond.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 6:33 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Re: Bruce Bruen's email Client Was: RE: [AccessD] OT:
^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


Bugger!

How about now - I've jigged a few options.

Tia
 Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 8:19 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: Re: Bruce Bruen's email Client Was: RE: [AccessD] OT:
^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


The attachment is plain text, but the email is showing up as an attachment
still.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Bruen [mailto:bbruen at bigpond.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:06 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Re: Bruce Bruen's email Client Was: RE: [AccessD] OT:
^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon May  5 11:37:16 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 09:37:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311EF2@infoserver01.infostat.local>

It's traditional to offer "Congratulations" to the groom and "best
wishes" to the bride.  Seems like there's something there our ancestors
might have realized. <VBG>  Anyhow, congratulations AND best wishes to
the both of you.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 7:17 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)



 For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know that 
 I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when I got 
 married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I married 
 someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the last name 
 of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was awesome and
 we are in total married bliss.   
 
 --Susan
 
Susan B. Geller
Office of Information Systems
College of Continuing Education
University of Minnesota
306 Wesbrook Hall
77 Pleasant Street SE
Minneapolis, MN 55455
Phone:  612-626-4785
Fax:  612-625-2568

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon May  5 11:37:32 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 17:37:32 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
In-Reply-To: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFOEJNCHAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <000101c31324$a022ee20$b274d0d5@andypc>

Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind

I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but recently my wife
is getting more into email and that's thrown up what I think is a
limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to both use the same
email client and both see all incoming mail (personal stuff may be to
either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc, but when we send an
email we want to be able to determine which of us is the Sender and
therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to each have our own
signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't cater for this at all
well. I can set her own profile up but that separates us too much. If a
friend happens to have written to my email address themn my wife won't
see it because it'll be in my Inbox, and vice-versa. My question is: can
what I'm describing be done in another client such as Eudora?

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Mon May  5 11:48:24 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 11:48:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F877F1@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Charlotte,

Back in the days when the woman didn't have much if any say as to whom
she got married to, "Best Wishes" to the bride was very appropriate.
But now that the bride has as much say in the matter as the groom, it
seems they both should be congratulated on finding a compatible partner.
May they both have a long and prosperous life together.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: Monday 2003 May 05 11:37
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)

It's traditional to offer "Congratulations" to the groom and "best
wishes" to the bride.  Seems like there's something there our ancestors
might have realized. <VBG>  Anyhow, congratulations AND best wishes to
the both of you.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 7:17 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)



 For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know that 
 I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when I got 
 married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I married 
 someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the last name 
 of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was awesome and
 we are in total married bliss.   
 
 --Susan
 
Susan B. Geller
Office of Information Systems
College of Continuing Education
University of Minnesota
306 Wesbrook Hall
77 Pleasant Street SE
Minneapolis, MN 55455
Phone:  612-626-4785
Fax:  612-625-2568

From sgsax at ksu.edu  Mon May  5 11:58:32 2003
From: sgsax at ksu.edu (Seth Galitzer)
Date: 05 May 2003 11:58:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
In-Reply-To: <000101c31324$a022ee20$b274d0d5@andypc>
References: <000101c31324$a022ee20$b274d0d5@andypc>
Message-ID: <1052153916.19345.8.camel@sgsax-th4022c>

Andy,

If you use Win2K or XP and set up seperate desktop login accounts,
you'll each have seperate settings for Outlook.

With Eudora, you just need to create two different mail folders, one for
each of you.  Make a shortcut for each that includes the full path to
the desired folder on the commandline.

Seth

On Mon, 2003-05-05 at 11:37, Andy Lacey wrote:
> Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> 
> I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but recently my wife
> is getting more into email and that's thrown up what I think is a
> limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to both use the same
> email client and both see all incoming mail (personal stuff may be to
> either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc, but when we send an
> email we want to be able to determine which of us is the Sender and
> therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to each have our own
> signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't cater for this at all
> well. I can set her own profile up but that separates us too much. If a
> friend happens to have written to my email address themn my wife won't
> see it because it'll be in my Inbox, and vice-versa. My question is: can
> what I'm describing be done in another client such as Eudora?
> 
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk

-- 
Seth Galitzer			sgsax at ksu.edu
Computing Specialist		http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax
Dept. of Plant Pathology
Kansas State University


From mitsules_ms at nns.com  Mon May  5 11:51:33 2003
From: mitsules_ms at nns.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 12:51:33 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E293B2@nnse14.nns.com>

I can never tell whether I'm winning or losing an argument with myself.
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:49 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


Dear Rocky:
 
Perhaps you could put an invisible page break between each sub-report.  Then
in the OnOpen event of the report, Dcount the records in each of the eight
sub-reports and estimate the height of the sub-report from the sub-report's
report header plus the number of detail records.  Then make the page break
visible to separate the sub reports.
 
Of course since one of the fields in the detail record 'can grow' and does,
it's going to be an estimate at best.  Also, this means potentially a lot of
white space on a page. Nah, that won't really work well.  You need to know
where you are on the page during the printing of the sub-report and page
when it gets close to the bottom.
 
Maybe someone else has an idea.
 
With my very best regards for you and your family,
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Rocky Smolin -  <mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com> Beach Access Software 
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com <mailto:AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>  
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:18 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging

Dear List:
 
I have a report that consists of eight sub reports.  Each sub-report can be
of a different length.  Each sub-report has a report header with some
descriptive text.  
 
The problem is that the main report page breaks in odd places sometimes even
cutting a line of the subreport in half horizontally!
 
I can, of course, insert an invisible page break between each sub-report and
make it visible if I'm close to the bottom of the page.  But I don't know
how to know, during the printing of the sub-report, where I am on the main
report.
 
Anybody got any ideas?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
 



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From MPorter at acsalaska.com  Mon May  5 11:56:55 2003
From: MPorter at acsalaska.com (Porter, Mark)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 08:56:55 -0800 
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
Message-ID: <BFBC9BAC6169D411890000508BAE2C53031206AC@acsexch4.corp.acsalaska.com>

Eudora allows for multiple personalities, complete with different email and
reply addresses.  When creating or sending an email, you can select which
personality it is from with a drop-down box.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 8:38 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind

I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but recently my wife
is getting more into email and that's thrown up what I think is a
limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to both use the same
email client and both see all incoming mail (personal stuff may be to
either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc, but when we send an
email we want to be able to determine which of us is the Sender and
therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to each have our own
signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't cater for this at all
well. I can set her own profile up but that separates us too much. If a
friend happens to have written to my email address themn my wife won't
see it because it'll be in my Inbox, and vice-versa. My question is: can
what I'm describing be done in another client such as Eudora?

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk


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From artful at rogers.com  Mon May  5 12:01:52 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:01:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Replication concept
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEGNDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <018a01c31328$067e35a0$8e01a8c0@Rock>

Why not take the leap and put a replica on each PC? As I have described
before, I have used this setup with great success. Set up a replica on each
of the three servers you have in mind, then synchronize each user's replica
with the appropriate server replica, then synchronize the server replicas.
Set the synch times for say 5 minutes everywhere. You'll eliminate 99% of
the network traffic. 30 replicas is a small number. Even if all users are
adding several rows a minute, when you add it up the amount of data is
pretty small, a k or 2k in each direction.

A.

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Sent: May 5, 2003 11:16 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Replication concept


Folks,

I just wanted to run an idea past you guys.  One of the concerns expressed
by my client's users was the time required for changes to ripple around if
we used the "standard" replication scheme of a BE on every desktop.  It
occurred to me that perhaps the client could create 2 or 3 "servers" where
each server had a copy of the BE.  Instead of 25-30 users all linked into a
single back end, have 10 users each (roughly) linked into one of three BEs.
Those three BEs then replicated amongst themselves.  The business breaks
down into three distinct sets of users (business groups) so that perhaps all
members of a group could link to the same BE, thus getting instant access to
the changes from it's group and yet still have rapid access to changes from
the other two business groups since the replication circuit would consist of
only three BEs instead of 30.

This would allow other advantages as well if the client wanted to pursue
them, such as segmented networks, with each server having it's own routers
and thus the traffic routed to each server would drop considerable.

My question to you is, does the idea of a small number of BEs (probably 3),
sitting on servers, replicating amongst themselves, linked to the FEs on
users desktop machines - does this idea make sense?

John W. Colby
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From artful at rogers.com  Mon May  5 12:03:51 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:03:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Replication concept
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEHBDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <018d01c31328$4dbfa250$8e01a8c0@Rock>

Even with 30 replicas, 5 minutes is doable.



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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: May 5, 2003 12:31 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Replication concept


Julie,

The client would like them to replicate every 5 minutes or so.  With only
one master and two slaves, this is probably doable.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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Reardon-Taylor
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:20 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Replication concept


Very cool John. How often would they replicate?



Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon May  5 12:03:06 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 18:03:06 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
In-Reply-To: <BFBC9BAC6169D411890000508BAE2C53031206AC@acsexch4.corp.acsalaska.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c31328$32b5ca20$b274d0d5@andypc>

Thanks Mark and Seth. Sounds just what I want.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Porter, Mark
> Sent: 05 May 2003 17:57
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> 
> 
> Eudora allows for multiple personalities, complete with 
> different email and reply addresses.  When creating or 
> sending an email, you can select which personality it is from 
> with a drop-down box.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 8:38 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> 
> 
> Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> 
> I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but 
> recently my wife is getting more into email and that's thrown 
> up what I think is a limitation I can't get round in Outlook. 
> We want to both use the same email client and both see all 
> incoming mail (personal stuff may be to either of us), share 
> a phone book and tasks etc, but when we send an email we want 
> to be able to determine which of us is the Sender and 
> therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to each have our 
> own signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't cater for 
> this at all well. I can set her own profile up but that 
> separates us too much. If a friend happens to have written to 
> my email address themn my wife won't see it because it'll be 
> in my Inbox, and vice-versa. My question is: can what I'm 
> describing be done in another client such as Eudora?
> 
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon May  5 12:14:37 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:14:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging
References: <00b201c31109$834c7630$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
	<002401c3130d$192a48d0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <003b01c31329$ce905c20$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

...you know talking to yourself leads to hairy palms, eh? :))))

William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


Dear Rocky:

Perhaps you could put an invisible page break between each sub-report.  Then
in the OnOpen event of the report, Dcount the records in each of the eight
sub-reports and estimate the height of the sub-report from the sub-report's
report header plus the number of detail records.  Then make the page break
visible to separate the sub reports.

Of course since one of the fields in the detail record 'can grow' and does,
it's going to be an estimate at best.  Also, this means potentially a lot of
white space on a page. Nah, that won't really work well.  You need to know
where you are on the page during the printing of the sub-report and page
when it gets close to the bottom.

Maybe someone else has an idea.

With my very best regards for you and your family,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
  Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:18 PM
  Subject: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


  Dear List:

  I have a report that consists of eight sub reports.  Each sub-report can
be of a different length.  Each sub-report has a report header with some
descriptive text.

  The problem is that the main report page breaks in odd places sometimes
even cutting a line of the subreport in half horizontally!

  I can, of course, insert an invisible page break between each sub-report
and make it visible if I'm close to the bottom of the page.  But I don't
know how to know, during the printing of the sub-report, where I am on the
main report.

  Anybody got any ideas?

  MTIA,

  Rocky Smolin
  Beach Access Software



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From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Mon May  5 12:22:42 2003
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 12:22:42 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging
Message-ID: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB2338C772@TAPPEEXCH01>

Rocky,
Normally, I create a section for each subreport.  This allows me full
control over the page breaks:
- In the Sorting And Grouping box, type ="My Section" (call it whatever you
want, extra points for being descriptive), and set Group Header = Yes.  This
will create a report header where you can place your subreport.
- In the Report Header property sheet, set Keep Together = Yes.  Don't
forget to set your Can Grow and Can Shrink properties.
- Voila!  Access will not split a subreport in this section between 2 pages.
Plus, if you want to force a page break at the start of a subreport you can
easily do that by setting the section's Force New Page property.
 
P.S. Access allows up to 10 headers and 10 footers per report.  They can be
referred to using the Me.Section property using the following indices:
Me.Section(5) - Group header # 1
Me.Section(6) - Group footer # 1
Me.Section(7) - Group header # 2
Me.Section(8) - Group footer # 2
...

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:49 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


Dear Rocky:
 
Perhaps you could put an invisible page break between each sub-report.  Then
in the OnOpen event of the report, Dcount the records in each of the eight
sub-reports and estimate the height of the sub-report from the sub-report's
report header plus the number of detail records.  Then make the page break
visible to separate the sub reports.
 
Of course since one of the fields in the detail record 'can grow' and does,
it's going to be an estimate at best.  Also, this means potentially a lot of
white space on a page. Nah, that won't really work well.  You need to know
where you are on the page during the printing of the sub-report and page
when it gets close to the bottom.
 
Maybe someone else has an idea.
 
With my very best regards for you and your family,
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Rocky Smolin -  <mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com> Beach Access Software 
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com <mailto:AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>  
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:18 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging

Dear List:
 
I have a report that consists of eight sub reports.  Each sub-report can be
of a different length.  Each sub-report has a report header with some
descriptive text.  
 
The problem is that the main report page breaks in odd places sometimes even
cutting a line of the subreport in half horizontally!
 
I can, of course, insert an invisible page break between each sub-report and
make it visible if I'm close to the bottom of the page.  But I don't know
how to know, during the printing of the sub-report, where I am on the main
report.
 
Anybody got any ideas?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
 



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From jmerante at utm.com  Mon May  5 12:28:15 2003
From: jmerante at utm.com (Jim Merante)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 10:28:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
In-Reply-To: <000101c31324$a022ee20$b274d0d5@andypc>
References: <000101c31324$a022ee20$b274d0d5@andypc>
Message-ID: <3EB69F2F.40102@utm.com>

I have been using Mozilla (http://www.mozilla.org/) and 
I absolutely love it.

It has got multiple accounts, plus a bunch of other 
features- junk mail controls, good filters, different 
reply to addresses, etc.....

(I love the bug system--bugzilla.  I found it to be 
very responsive and I am thinking about licensing it 
for the software I support professionally.)

I think you would like it.  Oh, and its free since it 
is 'open source'.

Jim M

Andy Lacey wrote:
> Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> 
> I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but recently my wife
> is getting more into email and that's thrown up what I think is a
> limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to both use the same
> email client and both see all incoming mail (personal stuff may be to
> either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc, but when we send an
> email we want to be able to determine which of us is the Sender and
> therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to each have our own
> signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't cater for this at all
> well. I can set her own profile up but that separates us too much. If a
> friend happens to have written to my email address themn my wife won't
> see it because it'll be in my Inbox, and vice-versa. My question is: can
> what I'm describing be done in another client such as Eudora?
> 
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> 
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From reische at mdh.org  Mon May  5 12:31:46 2003
From: reische at mdh.org (Reische, Brenda L.)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 12:31:46 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
Message-ID: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B48C86DE9@NEWMAN_EXC>

Congratulations!!!  I think that combining & changing both your names is
very innovative!  (You may stump a few genealogists, though!!)

Where are the pics??  

Brenda Reische
Application Support Analyst
McDonough District Hospital

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:17 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)


 For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know that 
 I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when I got 
 married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I married 
 someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the last name 
 of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was awesome and
 we are in total married bliss.   
 
 --Susan
 
Susan B. Geller
Office of Information Systems
College of Continuing Education
University of Minnesota
306 Wesbrook Hall
77 Pleasant Street SE
Minneapolis, MN 55455
Phone:  612-626-4785
Fax:  612-625-2568

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From klk at ksu.edu  Mon May  5 12:35:18 2003
From: klk at ksu.edu (Keith L. Kovala)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 12:35:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
In-Reply-To: <000101c31324$a022ee20$b274d0d5@andypc>
Message-ID: <001301c3132c$b2da3700$b0588281@current>

Using Outlook for this just fine, have multiple email accounts, can select
which account is being sent from by a drop down box.  Even sending mail
addressed as coming from yahoo.com via outlook even though can't receive pop
via free yahoo accounts (this is used for web pages trying to submit forms
via email.)  So I'm not sure where the idea this can't be done via outlook
is coming from, unless you are talking outlook express, and then yes, it has
"issues".

Keith L. Kovala

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:38 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> 
> 
> Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> 
> I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but 
> recently my wife is getting more into email and that's thrown 
> up what I think is a limitation I can't get round in Outlook. 
> We want to both use the same email client and both see all 
> incoming mail (personal stuff may be to either of us), share 
> a phone book and tasks etc, but when we send an email we want 
> to be able to determine which of us is the Sender and 
> therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to each have our 
> own signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't cater for 
> this at all well. I can set her own profile up but that 
> separates us too much. If a friend happens to have written to 
> my email address themn my wife won't see it because it'll be 
> in my Inbox, and vice-versa. My question is: can what I'm 
> describing be done in another client such as Eudora?
> 
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> 
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon May  5 12:45:02 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 18:45:02 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
In-Reply-To: <001301c3132c$b2da3700$b0588281@current>
Message-ID: <000101c3132e$0e25fda0$b274d0d5@andypc>

Keith
No I'm using full Outlook. So ok I've set up a 2nd account. How, when
creating email, do I select which account it's from?

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Keith L. Kovala
> Sent: 05 May 2003 18:35
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> 
> 
> Using Outlook for this just fine, have multiple email 
> accounts, can select which account is being sent from by a 
> drop down box.  Even sending mail addressed as coming from 
> yahoo.com via outlook even though can't receive pop via free 
> yahoo accounts (this is used for web pages trying to submit 
> forms via email.)  So I'm not sure where the idea this can't 
> be done via outlook is coming from, unless you are talking 
> outlook express, and then yes, it has "issues".
> 
> Keith L. Kovala
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Andy Lacey
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:38 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > 
> > 
> > Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> > 
> > I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but
> > recently my wife is getting more into email and that's thrown 
> > up what I think is a limitation I can't get round in Outlook. 
> > We want to both use the same email client and both see all 
> > incoming mail (personal stuff may be to either of us), share 
> > a phone book and tasks etc, but when we send an email we want 
> > to be able to determine which of us is the Sender and 
> > therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to each have our 
> > own signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't cater for 
> > this at all well. I can set her own profile up but that 
> > separates us too much. If a friend happens to have written to 
> > my email address themn my wife won't see it because it'll be 
> > in my Inbox, and vice-versa. My question is: can what I'm 
> > describing be done in another client such as Eudora?
> > 
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > 
> > 
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From sgeller at cce.umn.edu  Mon May  5 12:53:48 2003
From: sgeller at cce.umn.edu (Susan Geller)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 12:53:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
Message-ID: <CD6E25A7E2F6734FA126AED83B9D54FB01119AF9@ccemail2.cce.local>

Thanks to all for the congratulations and good wishes.  Preliminary
thumbnail pictures are at www.thegellers.org.  Genealogists will most
definitely be confused.

--Susan


-----Original Message-----
From: Reische, Brenda L. [mailto:reische at mdh.org] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:32 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)


Congratulations!!!  I think that combining & changing both your names is
very innovative!  (You may stump a few genealogists, though!!)

Where are the pics??  

Brenda Reische
Application Support Analyst
McDonough District Hospital

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:17 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)


 For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know that 
 I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when I got 
 married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I married 
 someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the last name 
 of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was awesome and
 we are in total married bliss.   
 
 --Susan
 
Susan B. Geller
Office of Information Systems
College of Continuing Education
University of Minnesota
306 Wesbrook Hall
77 Pleasant Street SE
Minneapolis, MN 55455
Phone:  612-626-4785
Fax:  612-625-2568

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From klk at ksu.edu  Mon May  5 12:58:19 2003
From: klk at ksu.edu (Keith L. Kovala)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 12:58:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
In-Reply-To: <000101c3132e$0e25fda0$b274d0d5@andypc>
Message-ID: <001401c3132f$e9d11410$b0588281@current>

Next to the send button you should see "Accounts" with a drop down arrow,
click on the arrow and select the account being sent from and you should now
see a status message at the top saying "This message will be sent via XYZ"

Keith L. Kovala
klk at ksu.edu 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:45 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> 
> 
> Keith
> No I'm using full Outlook. So ok I've set up a 2nd account. 
> How, when creating email, do I select which account it's from?
> 
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> > Keith L. Kovala
> > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:35
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > 
> > 
> > Using Outlook for this just fine, have multiple email
> > accounts, can select which account is being sent from by a 
> > drop down box.  Even sending mail addressed as coming from 
> > yahoo.com via outlook even though can't receive pop via free 
> > yahoo accounts (this is used for web pages trying to submit 
> > forms via email.)  So I'm not sure where the idea this can't 
> > be done via outlook is coming from, unless you are talking 
> > outlook express, and then yes, it has "issues".
> > 
> > Keith L. Kovala
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Andy Lacey
> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:38 AM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> > > 
> > > I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but 
> recently my 
> > > wife is getting more into email and that's thrown up what 
> I think is 
> > > a limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to 
> both use the 
> > > same email client and both see all incoming mail 
> (personal stuff may 
> > > be to either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc, 
> but when we 
> > > send an email we want to be able to determine which of us is the 
> > > Sender and therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to 
> each have 
> > > our own signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't cater for
> > > this at all well. I can set her own profile up but that 
> > > separates us too much. If a friend happens to have written to 
> > > my email address themn my wife won't see it because it'll be 
> > > in my Inbox, and vice-versa. My question is: can what I'm 
> > > describing be done in another client such as Eudora?
> > > 
> > > Andy Lacey
> > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> > > Website:
> > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> > 
> > 
> 
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> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon May  5 13:13:29 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 11:13:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
References: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B48C86DE9@NEWMAN_EXC>
Message-ID: <3EB6A9C9.50106@shaw.ca>

Just one thing, you may have people, expecting you to bend spoons and 
keys at a distance;)

Reische, Brenda L. wrote:

>Congratulations!!!  I think that combining & changing both your names is
>very innovative!  (You may stump a few genealogists, though!!)
>
>Where are the pics??  
>
>Brenda Reische
>Application Support Analyst
>McDonough District Hospital
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
>Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:17 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
>
>
> For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know that 
> I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when I got 
> married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I married 
> someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the last name 
> of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was awesome and
> we are in total married bliss.   
> 
> --Susan
> 
>Susan B. Geller
>Office of Information Systems
>College of Continuing Education
>University of Minnesota
>306 Wesbrook Hall
>77 Pleasant Street SE
>Minneapolis, MN 55455
>Phone:  612-626-4785
>Fax:  612-625-2568
>
>_______________________________________________
>AccessD mailing list
>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>  
>



From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Mon May  5 13:17:44 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:17:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F877F2@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Susan,

Is it safe to assume that the taller of the two young ladies in white
dresses is you?  And is the gentleman in the cumberbund/vest Chris?
Anyway, again Mazel Tov!  May you two have a long and prosperous life
together.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Monday 2003 May 05 12:54
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
Importance: Low


Thanks to all for the congratulations and good wishes.  Preliminary
thumbnail pictures are at www.thegellers.org.  Genealogists will most
definitely be confused.

--Susan


-----Original Message-----
From: Reische, Brenda L. [mailto:reische at mdh.org] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:32 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)


Congratulations!!!  I think that combining & changing both your names is
very innovative!  (You may stump a few genealogists, though!!)

Where are the pics??  

Brenda Reische
Application Support Analyst
McDonough District Hospital

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:17 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)


 For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know that 
 I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when I got 
 married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I married 
 someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the last name 
 of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was awesome and
 we are in total married bliss.   
 
 --Susan
 
Susan B. Geller
Office of Information Systems
College of Continuing Education
University of Minnesota
306 Wesbrook Hall
77 Pleasant Street SE
Minneapolis, MN 55455
Phone:  612-626-4785
Fax:  612-625-2568

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon May  5 13:24:14 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 19:24:14 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
In-Reply-To: <001401c3132f$e9d11410$b0588281@current>
Message-ID: <000301c31333$8852e660$b274d0d5@andypc>

Well in XP it's not quite that but basically you're dead right. It's not
a dropdown on the Send but an Accounts dropdown right next to it. How
have I managed to use this program for years and never notice that? Many
many thanks Keith. 

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Keith L. Kovala
> Sent: 05 May 2003 18:58
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> 
> 
> Next to the send button you should see "Accounts" with a drop 
> down arrow, click on the arrow and select the account being 
> sent from and you should now see a status message at the top 
> saying "This message will be sent via XYZ"
> 
> Keith L. Kovala
> klk at ksu.edu 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Andy Lacey
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:45 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > 
> > 
> > Keith
> > No I'm using full Outlook. So ok I've set up a 2nd account.
> > How, when creating email, do I select which account it's from?
> > 
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:35
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Using Outlook for this just fine, have multiple email 
> accounts, can 
> > > select which account is being sent from by a drop down box.  Even 
> > > sending mail addressed as coming from yahoo.com via outlook even 
> > > though can't receive pop via free yahoo accounts (this is 
> used for 
> > > web pages trying to submit forms via email.)  So I'm not 
> sure where 
> > > the idea this can't be done via outlook is coming from, 
> unless you 
> > > are talking outlook express, and then yes, it has "issues".
> > > 
> > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Andy Lacey
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:38 AM
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> > > > 
> > > > I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but
> > recently my
> > > > wife is getting more into email and that's thrown up what
> > I think is
> > > > a limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to
> > both use the
> > > > same email client and both see all incoming mail
> > (personal stuff may
> > > > be to either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc,
> > but when we
> > > > send an email we want to be able to determine which of us is the
> > > > Sender and therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to 
> > each have
> > > > our own signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't cater for 
> > > > this at all well. I can set her own profile up but that 
> separates 
> > > > us too much. If a friend happens to have written to my email 
> > > > address themn my wife won't see it because it'll be in 
> my Inbox, 
> > > > and vice-versa. My question is: can what I'm describing 
> be done in 
> > > > another client such as Eudora?
> > > > 
> > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> > > > Website:
> > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> > Website: 
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Mon May  5 13:34:23 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 14:34:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B3B@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Pardon the interruption but is this true in O97 too?  I don't see it anywhere.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:24 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


Well in XP it's not quite that but basically you're dead right. It's not
a dropdown on the Send but an Accounts dropdown right next to it. How
have I managed to use this program for years and never notice that? Many
many thanks Keith. 

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Keith L. Kovala
> Sent: 05 May 2003 18:58
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> 
> 
> Next to the send button you should see "Accounts" with a drop 
> down arrow, click on the arrow and select the account being 
> sent from and you should now see a status message at the top 
> saying "This message will be sent via XYZ"
> 
> Keith L. Kovala
> klk at ksu.edu 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Andy Lacey
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:45 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > 
> > 
> > Keith
> > No I'm using full Outlook. So ok I've set up a 2nd account.
> > How, when creating email, do I select which account it's from?
> > 
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:35
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Using Outlook for this just fine, have multiple email 
> accounts, can 
> > > select which account is being sent from by a drop down box.  Even 
> > > sending mail addressed as coming from yahoo.com via outlook even 
> > > though can't receive pop via free yahoo accounts (this is 
> used for 
> > > web pages trying to submit forms via email.)  So I'm not 
> sure where 
> > > the idea this can't be done via outlook is coming from, 
> unless you 
> > > are talking outlook express, and then yes, it has "issues".
> > > 
> > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Andy Lacey
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:38 AM
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> > > > 
> > > > I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but
> > recently my
> > > > wife is getting more into email and that's thrown up what
> > I think is
> > > > a limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to
> > both use the
> > > > same email client and both see all incoming mail
> > (personal stuff may
> > > > be to either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc,
> > but when we
> > > > send an email we want to be able to determine which of us is the
> > > > Sender and therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to 
> > each have
> > > > our own signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't cater for 
> > > > this at all well. I can set her own profile up but that 
> separates 
> > > > us too much. If a friend happens to have written to my email 
> > > > address themn my wife won't see it because it'll be in 
> my Inbox, 
> > > > and vice-versa. My question is: can what I'm describing 
> be done in 
> > > > another client such as Eudora?
> > > > 
> > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> > > > Website:
> > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> > Website: 
> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> 
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon May  5 13:50:05 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 14:50:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
References: <CD6E25A7E2F6734FA126AED83B9D54FB01119AF9@ccemail2.cce.local>
Message-ID: <000b01c31337$24ecbed0$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

...nice pics ...no wonder he was willing to change his name to win your
hand! :)))

William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Geller" <sgeller at cce.umn.edu>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:53 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)


> Thanks to all for the congratulations and good wishes.  Preliminary
> thumbnail pictures are at www.thegellers.org.  Genealogists will most
> definitely be confused.
>
> --Susan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Reische, Brenda L. [mailto:reische at mdh.org]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:32 PM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
>
>
> Congratulations!!!  I think that combining & changing both your names is
> very innovative!  (You may stump a few genealogists, though!!)
>
> Where are the pics??
>
> Brenda Reische
> Application Support Analyst
> McDonough District Hospital
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:17 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
>
>
>  For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know that
>  I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when I got
>  married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I married
>  someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the last name
>  of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was awesome and
>  we are in total married bliss.
>
>  --Susan
>
> Susan B. Geller
> Office of Information Systems
> College of Continuing Education
> University of Minnesota
> 306 Wesbrook Hall
> 77 Pleasant Street SE
> Minneapolis, MN 55455
> Phone:  612-626-4785
> Fax:  612-625-2568
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From john at winhaven.net  Mon May  5 13:53:09 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:53:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B3B@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIIEABEHAA.john@winhaven.net>

In Outlook (97+) you should have a dropdown next to the send icon on the
toolbar of a new message - but only if you have two accounts listed.

In Outlook Express it is an extra row above the TO: field on a new email
message.

I have used Outlook to manage 6 different email accounts without problems. I
don't use a standard sig on my messages though so each account has to pick
from the list or type it in. I customized the toolbar so the sig icon is on
it. I still think Outlook is clunky though. If you don't have to use it
there are better emailers out there!

John B.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:34 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
>
>
> Pardon the interruption but is this true in O97 too?  I don't see
> it anywhere.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:24 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
>
>
> Well in XP it's not quite that but basically you're dead right. It's not
> a dropdown on the Send but an Accounts dropdown right next to it. How
> have I managed to use this program for years and never notice that? Many
> many thanks Keith.
>
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Keith L. Kovala
> > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:58
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > Next to the send button you should see "Accounts" with a drop
> > down arrow, click on the arrow and select the account being
> > sent from and you should now see a status message at the top
> > saying "This message will be sent via XYZ"
> >
> > Keith L. Kovala
> > klk at ksu.edu
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Andy Lacey
> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:45 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > Keith
> > > No I'm using full Outlook. So ok I've set up a 2nd account.
> > > How, when creating email, do I select which account it's from?
> > >
> > > Andy Lacey
> > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:35
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Using Outlook for this just fine, have multiple email
> > accounts, can
> > > > select which account is being sent from by a drop down box.  Even
> > > > sending mail addressed as coming from yahoo.com via outlook even
> > > > though can't receive pop via free yahoo accounts (this is
> > used for
> > > > web pages trying to submit forms via email.)  So I'm not
> > sure where
> > > > the idea this can't be done via outlook is coming from,
> > unless you
> > > > are talking outlook express, and then yes, it has "issues".
> > > >
> > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:38 AM
> > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> > > > >
> > > > > I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but
> > > recently my
> > > > > wife is getting more into email and that's thrown up what
> > > I think is
> > > > > a limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to
> > > both use the
> > > > > same email client and both see all incoming mail
> > > (personal stuff may
> > > > > be to either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc,
> > > but when we
> > > > > send an email we want to be able to determine which of us is the
> > > > > Sender and therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to
> > > each have
> > > > > our own signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't cater for
> > > > > this at all well. I can set her own profile up but that
> > separates
> > > > > us too much. If a friend happens to have written to my email
> > > > > address themn my wife won't see it because it'll be in
> > my Inbox,
> > > > > and vice-versa. My question is: can what I'm describing
> > be done in
> > > > > another client such as Eudora?
> > > > >
> > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > >
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From StaRKeY at Wanadoo.nl  Mon May  5 13:52:16 2003
From: StaRKeY at Wanadoo.nl (StaRKeY)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 20:52:16 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311EF2@infoserver01.infostat.local>
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Congratulations Susan... :-)

BN,
Eric Starkenburg

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 7:17 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)


 For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know that 
 I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when I got 
 married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I married 
 someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the last name 
 of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was awesome and
 we are in total married bliss.   
 
 --Susan
 
Susan B. Geller
Office of Information Systems
College of Continuing Education
University of Minnesota
306 Wesbrook Hall
77 Pleasant Street SE
Minneapolis, MN 55455
Phone:  612-626-4785
Fax:  612-625-2568

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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon May  5 14:07:23 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 15:07:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
References: <001401c3132f$e9d11410$b0588281@current>
Message-ID: <004501c31339$8f517610$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

...in OE I just use Identities for the same purposes ...easy to create and
switch between.

William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith L. Kovala" <klk at ksu.edu>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:58 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


> Next to the send button you should see "Accounts" with a drop down arrow,
> click on the arrow and select the account being sent from and you should
now
> see a status message at the top saying "This message will be sent via XYZ"
>
> Keith L. Kovala
> klk at ksu.edu
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:45 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > Keith
> > No I'm using full Outlook. So ok I've set up a 2nd account.
> > How, when creating email, do I select which account it's from?
> >
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:35
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > Using Outlook for this just fine, have multiple email
> > > accounts, can select which account is being sent from by a
> > > drop down box.  Even sending mail addressed as coming from
> > > yahoo.com via outlook even though can't receive pop via free
> > > yahoo accounts (this is used for web pages trying to submit
> > > forms via email.)  So I'm not sure where the idea this can't
> > > be done via outlook is coming from, unless you are talking
> > > outlook express, and then yes, it has "issues".
> > >
> > > Keith L. Kovala
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Andy Lacey
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:38 AM
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> > > >
> > > > I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but
> > recently my
> > > > wife is getting more into email and that's thrown up what
> > I think is
> > > > a limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to
> > both use the
> > > > same email client and both see all incoming mail
> > (personal stuff may
> > > > be to either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc,
> > but when we
> > > > send an email we want to be able to determine which of us is the
> > > > Sender and therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to
> > each have
> > > > our own signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't cater for
> > > > this at all well. I can set her own profile up but that
> > > > separates us too much. If a friend happens to have written to
> > > > my email address themn my wife won't see it because it'll be
> > > > in my Inbox, and vice-versa. My question is: can what I'm
> > > > describing be done in another client such as Eudora?
> > > >
> > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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From PBudge at cbsol.com  Mon May  5 14:18:37 2003
From: PBudge at cbsol.com (PBudge at cbsol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 14:18:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
Message-ID: <OFE7C00A05.D5B6B05C-ON86256D1D.006A06E8@cbsol.com>


Not to mention listing Home Depot as a great place to buy gifts for the
happy couple. . . ;-))))))))


Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions


                                                                                                                                               
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...nice pics ...no wonder he was willing to change his name to win your
hand! :)))

William Hindman

----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Geller" <sgeller at cce.umn.edu>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:53 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)


> Thanks to all for the congratulations and good wishes.  Preliminary
> thumbnail pictures are at www.thegellers.org.  Genealogists will most
> definitely be confused.
>
> --Susan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Reische, Brenda L. [mailto:reische at mdh.org]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:32 PM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
>
>
> Congratulations!!!  I think that combining & changing both your names is
> very innovative!  (You may stump a few genealogists, though!!)
>
> Where are the pics??
>
> Brenda Reische
> Application Support Analyst
> McDonough District Hospital
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:17 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
>
>
>  For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know that
>  I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when I got
>  married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I married
>  someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the last name
>  of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was awesome and
>  we are in total married bliss.
>
>  --Susan
>
> Susan B. Geller
> Office of Information Systems
> College of Continuing Education
> University of Minnesota
> 306 Wesbrook Hall
> 77 Pleasant Street SE
> Minneapolis, MN 55455
> Phone:  612-626-4785
> Fax:  612-625-2568
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon May  5 14:21:28 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 12:21:28 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging
References: <00b201c31109$834c7630$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
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Message-ID: <009201c3133b$8751a960$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Can't I just do it until I need glasses?

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


> ...you know talking to yourself leads to hairy palms, eh? :))))
>
> William Hindman
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging
>
>
> Dear Rocky:
>
> Perhaps you could put an invisible page break between each sub-report.
Then
> in the OnOpen event of the report, Dcount the records in each of the eight
> sub-reports and estimate the height of the sub-report from the
sub-report's
> report header plus the number of detail records.  Then make the page break
> visible to separate the sub reports.
>
> Of course since one of the fields in the detail record 'can grow' and
does,
> it's going to be an estimate at best.  Also, this means potentially a lot
of
> white space on a page. Nah, that won't really work well.  You need to know
> where you are on the page during the printing of the sub-report and page
> when it gets close to the bottom.
>
> Maybe someone else has an idea.
>
> With my very best regards for you and your family,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
>
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
>   To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>   Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:18 PM
>   Subject: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging
>
>
>   Dear List:
>
>   I have a report that consists of eight sub reports.  Each sub-report can
> be of a different length.  Each sub-report has a report header with some
> descriptive text.
>
>   The problem is that the main report page breaks in odd places sometimes
> even cutting a line of the subreport in half horizontally!
>
>   I can, of course, insert an invisible page break between each sub-report
> and make it visible if I'm close to the bottom of the page.  But I don't
> know how to know, during the printing of the sub-report, where I am on the
> main report.
>
>   Anybody got any ideas?
>
>   MTIA,
>
>   Rocky Smolin
>   Beach Access Software
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon May  5 14:26:10 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 12:26:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging
References: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB2338C772@TAPPEEXCH01>
Message-ID: <00a501c3133c$2f4ac2a0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

MessageBrett:

Thanks for your reply.

I don't want to force a page break between each sub-report.  Sometimes they're only one line.  so they need to all flow together unless it's close to the bottom of the page.  In that case the header text (4-6 lines) gets split over two pages (sometimes in the middle of the line horizontally!) and sometimes it will do this to a detail line.  

Any idea how to 1) prevent that and 2) to force a page break when close to the bottom of the page but not page break when in the sub report starts in the middle of the page?

Thanks and regards,

Rocky

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Brett Barabash 
  To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
  Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:22 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


  Rocky,
  Normally, I create a section for each subreport.  This allows me full control over the page breaks:
  - In the Sorting And Grouping box, type ="My Section" (call it whatever you want, extra points for being descriptive), and set Group Header = Yes.  This will create a report header where you can place your subreport.
  - In the Report Header property sheet, set Keep Together = Yes.  Don't forget to set your Can Grow and Can Shrink properties.
  - Voila!  Access will not split a subreport in this section between 2 pages.  Plus, if you want to force a page break at the start of a subreport you can easily do that by setting the section's Force New Page property.

  P.S. Access allows up to 10 headers and 10 footers per report.  They can be referred to using the Me.Section property using the following indices:
  Me.Section(5) - Group header # 1
  Me.Section(6) - Group footer # 1
  Me.Section(7) - Group header # 2
  Me.Section(8) - Group footer # 2
  ...
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
    Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:49 AM
    To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


    Dear Rocky:

    Perhaps you could put an invisible page break between each sub-report.  Then in the OnOpen event of the report, Dcount the records in each of the eight sub-reports and estimate the height of the sub-report from the sub-report's report header plus the number of detail records.  Then make the page break visible to separate the sub reports.

    Of course since one of the fields in the detail record 'can grow' and does, it's going to be an estimate at best.  Also, this means potentially a lot of white space on a page. Nah, that won't really work well.  You need to know where you are on the page during the printing of the sub-report and page when it gets close to the bottom.

    Maybe someone else has an idea.

    With my very best regards for you and your family,

    Rocky Smolin
    Beach Access Software

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
      To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
      Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:18 PM
      Subject: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


      Dear List:

      I have a report that consists of eight sub reports.  Each sub-report can be of a different length.  Each sub-report has a report header with some descriptive text.  

      The problem is that the main report page breaks in odd places sometimes even cutting a line of the subreport in half horizontally!

      I can, of course, insert an invisible page break between each sub-report and make it visible if I'm close to the bottom of the page.  But I don't know how to know, during the printing of the sub-report, where I am on the main report.

      Anybody got any ideas?

      MTIA,

      Rocky Smolin
      Beach Access Software



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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Mon May  5 14:32:08 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 15:32:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B40@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

I see (or rather I don't).  I don't have 2 accounts set up so I won't see it.  How to set up the second account?  Do I use Tools | Services and if so which do I choose to add a POP account?

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:53 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


In Outlook (97+) you should have a dropdown next to the send icon on the
toolbar of a new message - but only if you have two accounts listed.

In Outlook Express it is an extra row above the TO: field on a new email
message.

I have used Outlook to manage 6 different email accounts without problems. I
don't use a standard sig on my messages though so each account has to pick
from the list or type it in. I customized the toolbar so the sig icon is on
it. I still think Outlook is clunky though. If you don't have to use it
there are better emailers out there!

John B.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:34 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
>
>
> Pardon the interruption but is this true in O97 too?  I don't see
> it anywhere.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:24 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
>
>
> Well in XP it's not quite that but basically you're dead right. It's not
> a dropdown on the Send but an Accounts dropdown right next to it. How
> have I managed to use this program for years and never notice that? Many
> many thanks Keith.
>
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Keith L. Kovala
> > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:58
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > Next to the send button you should see "Accounts" with a drop
> > down arrow, click on the arrow and select the account being
> > sent from and you should now see a status message at the top
> > saying "This message will be sent via XYZ"
> >
> > Keith L. Kovala
> > klk at ksu.edu
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Andy Lacey
> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:45 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > Keith
> > > No I'm using full Outlook. So ok I've set up a 2nd account.
> > > How, when creating email, do I select which account it's from?
> > >
> > > Andy Lacey
> > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:35
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Using Outlook for this just fine, have multiple email
> > accounts, can
> > > > select which account is being sent from by a drop down box.  Even
> > > > sending mail addressed as coming from yahoo.com via outlook even
> > > > though can't receive pop via free yahoo accounts (this is
> > used for
> > > > web pages trying to submit forms via email.)  So I'm not
> > sure where
> > > > the idea this can't be done via outlook is coming from,
> > unless you
> > > > are talking outlook express, and then yes, it has "issues".
> > > >
> > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:38 AM
> > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> > > > >
> > > > > I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but
> > > recently my
> > > > > wife is getting more into email and that's thrown up what
> > > I think is
> > > > > a limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to
> > > both use the
> > > > > same email client and both see all incoming mail
> > > (personal stuff may
> > > > > be to either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc,
> > > but when we
> > > > > send an email we want to be able to determine which of us is the
> > > > > Sender and therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to
> > > each have
> > > > > our own signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't cater for
> > > > > this at all well. I can set her own profile up but that
> > separates
> > > > > us too much. If a friend happens to have written to my email
> > > > > address themn my wife won't see it because it'll be in
> > my Inbox,
> > > > > and vice-versa. My question is: can what I'm describing
> > be done in
> > > > > another client such as Eudora?
> > > > >
> > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> > > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From sgeller at cce.umn.edu  Mon May  5 14:48:44 2003
From: sgeller at cce.umn.edu (Susan Geller)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 14:48:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
Message-ID: <CD6E25A7E2F6734FA126AED83B9D54FB01119B03@ccemail2.cce.local>

Home Depot needs to hire one of the people on this list who does
consulting.  Their registry process is old fashioned pen and paper and
you have to go into a store to make a purchase.  They are losing a lot
of potential business from others who realize that Home Depot is where
the best gifts are!  

--Susan


-----Original Message-----
From: PBudge at cbsol.com [mailto:PBudge at cbsol.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:19 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)



Not to mention listing Home Depot as a great place to buy gifts for the
happy couple. . . ;-))))))))


Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions


 

                      "William Hindman"

                      <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>        To:
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

                      Sent by:                         cc:

                      accessd-bounces at databasea        Subject:  Re:
[AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)

                      dvisors.com

 

 

                      05/05/2003 01:50 PM

                      Please respond to accessd

 

 





...nice pics ...no wonder he was willing to change his name to win your
hand! :)))

William Hindman

----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Geller" <sgeller at cce.umn.edu>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:53 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)


> Thanks to all for the congratulations and good wishes.  Preliminary 
> thumbnail pictures are at www.thegellers.org.  Genealogists will most 
> definitely be confused.
>
> --Susan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Reische, Brenda L. [mailto:reische at mdh.org]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:32 PM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
>
>
> Congratulations!!!  I think that combining & changing both your names 
> is very innovative!  (You may stump a few genealogists, though!!)
>
> Where are the pics??
>
> Brenda Reische
> Application Support Analyst
> McDonough District Hospital
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:17 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
>
>
>  For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know 
> that  I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when

> I got  married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I 
> married  someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the 
> last name  of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was 
> awesome and  we are in total married bliss.
>
>  --Susan
>
> Susan B. Geller
> Office of Information Systems
> College of Continuing Education
> University of Minnesota
> 306 Wesbrook Hall
> 77 Pleasant Street SE
> Minneapolis, MN 55455
> Phone:  612-626-4785
> Fax:  612-625-2568
>
> _______________________________________________
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From john at winhaven.net  Mon May  5 14:56:15 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 14:56:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B40@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIKEACEHAA.john@winhaven.net>

You must have the ability to add an internet account. If you are on a corp.
system using exchange they may not allow it.
You can add garbage as an "internet" account and then it should show up.
Just put in something like "test account" - "mail.test.com" for the incoming
and outgoing servers and me at test.com. save it and it should be enough to
fake it into showing you. You could use real info too of course :o)

Another trick you can do to share your info but not your setup is put the
.pst in a shared folder and use it from anywhere on your network. One or two
people can get away with that.

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:32 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
>
>
> I see (or rather I don't).  I don't have 2 accounts set up so I
> won't see it.  How to set up the second account?  Do I use Tools
> | Services and if so which do I choose to add a POP account?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:53 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
>
>
> In Outlook (97+) you should have a dropdown next to the send icon on the
> toolbar of a new message - but only if you have two accounts listed.
>
> In Outlook Express it is an extra row above the TO: field on a new email
> message.
>
> I have used Outlook to manage 6 different email accounts without
> problems. I
> don't use a standard sig on my messages though so each account has to pick
> from the list or type it in. I customized the toolbar so the sig
> icon is on
> it. I still think Outlook is clunky though. If you don't have to use it
> there are better emailers out there!
>
> John B.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:34 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > Pardon the interruption but is this true in O97 too?  I don't see
> > it anywhere.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jim DeMarco
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:24 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > Well in XP it's not quite that but basically you're dead right. It's not
> > a dropdown on the Send but an Accounts dropdown right next to it. How
> > have I managed to use this program for years and never notice that? Many
> > many thanks Keith.
> >
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:58
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > Next to the send button you should see "Accounts" with a drop
> > > down arrow, click on the arrow and select the account being
> > > sent from and you should now see a status message at the top
> > > saying "This message will be sent via XYZ"
> > >
> > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > klk at ksu.edu
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Andy Lacey
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:45 PM
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Keith
> > > > No I'm using full Outlook. So ok I've set up a 2nd account.
> > > > How, when creating email, do I select which account it's from?
> > > >
> > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:35
> > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Using Outlook for this just fine, have multiple email
> > > accounts, can
> > > > > select which account is being sent from by a drop down box.  Even
> > > > > sending mail addressed as coming from yahoo.com via outlook even
> > > > > though can't receive pop via free yahoo accounts (this is
> > > used for
> > > > > web pages trying to submit forms via email.)  So I'm not
> > > sure where
> > > > > the idea this can't be done via outlook is coming from,
> > > unless you
> > > > > are talking outlook express, and then yes, it has "issues".
> > > > >
> > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:38 AM
> > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but
> > > > recently my
> > > > > > wife is getting more into email and that's thrown up what
> > > > I think is
> > > > > > a limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to
> > > > both use the
> > > > > > same email client and both see all incoming mail
> > > > (personal stuff may
> > > > > > be to either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc,
> > > > but when we
> > > > > > send an email we want to be able to determine which of us is the
> > > > > > Sender and therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to
> > > > each have
> > > > > > our own signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't cater for
> > > > > > this at all well. I can set her own profile up but that
> > > separates
> > > > > > us too much. If a friend happens to have written to my email
> > > > > > address themn my wife won't see it because it'll be in
> > > my Inbox,
> > > > > > and vice-versa. My question is: can what I'm describing
> > > be done in
> > > > > > another client such as Eudora?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> > > > > > Website:
> > > > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> > > > Website:
> > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > >
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> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> > >
> >
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> >
> >
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> > the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson
> > Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged.  If you are
> > not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
> > disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this
> > message is strictly prohibited.  If you have received this
> > message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us
> > immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic
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> > are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email
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> Thank You".
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> >
> >
>
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> not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
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From john at winhaven.net  Mon May  5 14:56:15 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 14:56:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
In-Reply-To: <CD6E25A7E2F6734FA126AED83B9D54FB01119AF9@ccemail2.cce.local>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIMEACEHAA.john@winhaven.net>

As they say up in Menomonee (I see you're getting dishes made there)
"Congrats ta bote a youse!, eh.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Geller
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:54 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
>
>
> Thanks to all for the congratulations and good wishes.  Preliminary
> thumbnail pictures are at www.thegellers.org.  Genealogists will most
> definitely be confused.
>
> --Susan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Reische, Brenda L. [mailto:reische at mdh.org]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:32 PM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
>
>
> Congratulations!!!  I think that combining & changing both your names is
> very innovative!  (You may stump a few genealogists, though!!)
>
> Where are the pics??
>
> Brenda Reische
> Application Support Analyst
> McDonough District Hospital
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:17 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
>
>
>  For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know that
>  I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when I got
>  married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I married
>  someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the last name
>  of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was awesome and
>  we are in total married bliss.
>
>  --Susan
>
> Susan B. Geller
> Office of Information Systems
> College of Continuing Education
> University of Minnesota
> 306 Wesbrook Hall
> 77 Pleasant Street SE
> Minneapolis, MN 55455
> Phone:  612-626-4785
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From harkins at iglou.com  Mon May  5 15:04:39 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 16:04:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - job
Message-ID: <009001c31341$90795aa0$f5e6ffcc@SusanOne>

Job Title: Windows Software Engineer (VB/VBA/COM/Outlook)
Location: Palo Alto, CA

=========Contact me privately for more information or check out
http://www.surfpulse.com/private/jobs.shtml -- first job listed on the page.
VB/VBA is the listed language, so even though it's a Windows position,
somewhere here might qualify.

Please don't send me any nasty off topic messages -- I think we can all
stand an occasional job listing. Personally, if it weren't for the people on
the list, I'd be in publishing hell right now...

Susan H.




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon May  5 15:16:50 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:16:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311EF4@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Sounds like you could drum up some business for yourself or someone
else! <VBG>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:49 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)


Home Depot needs to hire one of the people on this list who does
consulting.  Their registry process is old fashioned pen and paper and
you have to go into a store to make a purchase.  They are losing a lot
of potential business from others who realize that Home Depot is where
the best gifts are!  

--Susan


-----Original Message-----
From: PBudge at cbsol.com [mailto:PBudge at cbsol.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:19 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)



Not to mention listing Home Depot as a great place to buy gifts for the
happy couple. . . ;-))))))))


Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions


 

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...nice pics ...no wonder he was willing to change his name to win your
hand! :)))

William Hindman

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From: "Susan Geller" <sgeller at cce.umn.edu>
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Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:53 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)


> Thanks to all for the congratulations and good wishes.  Preliminary
> thumbnail pictures are at www.thegellers.org.  Genealogists will most 
> definitely be confused.
>
> --Susan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Reische, Brenda L. [mailto:reische at mdh.org]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:32 PM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
>
>
> Congratulations!!!  I think that combining & changing both your names
> is very innovative!  (You may stump a few genealogists, though!!)
>
> Where are the pics??
>
> Brenda Reische
> Application Support Analyst
> McDonough District Hospital
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:17 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
>
>
>  For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know
> that  I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when

> I got  married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I
> married  someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the 
> last name  of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was 
> awesome and  we are in total married bliss.
>
>  --Susan
>
> Susan B. Geller
> Office of Information Systems
> College of Continuing Education
> University of Minnesota
> 306 Wesbrook Hall
> 77 Pleasant Street SE
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon May  5 15:18:11 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 15:18:11 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] OT - job
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B00@main2.marlow.com>

Hey, I am all for posting both help wanted and job wanted posts.  As long as
it is from a list member, and not a spam situation.  Just my two cents.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:05 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT - job


Job Title: Windows Software Engineer (VB/VBA/COM/Outlook)
Location: Palo Alto, CA

=========Contact me privately for more information or check out
http://www.surfpulse.com/private/jobs.shtml -- first job listed on the page.
VB/VBA is the listed language, so even though it's a Windows position,
somewhere here might qualify.

Please don't send me any nasty off topic messages -- I think we can all
stand an occasional job listing. Personally, if it weren't for the people on
the list, I'd be in publishing hell right now...

Susan H.



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon May  5 15:18:47 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:18:47 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311EF5@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Rocky,

If you find an answer, please share it with me!  We've struggled with
this question and have never found a satisfactory answer ...
particularly since we also hide subreports that have no data, which
moves the ones below them up and ... well, you get the idea, I'm sure.

Charlotte Foust
-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:26 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


Brett:

Thanks for your reply.

I don't want to force a page break between each sub-report.  Sometimes
they're only one line.  so they need to all flow together unless it's
close to the bottom of the page.  In that case the header text (4-6
lines) gets split over two pages (sometimes in the middle of the line
horizontally!) and sometimes it will do this to a detail line.  

Any idea how to 1) prevent that and 2) to force a page break when close
to the bottom of the page but not page break when in the sub report
starts in the middle of the page?

Thanks and regards,

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Brett Barabash 
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:22 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


Rocky,
Normally, I create a section for each subreport.  This allows me full
control over the page breaks:
- In the Sorting And Grouping box, type ="My Section" (call it whatever
you want, extra points for being descriptive), and set Group Header =
Yes.  This will create a report header where you can place your
subreport.
- In the Report Header property sheet, set Keep Together = Yes.  Don't
forget to set your Can Grow and Can Shrink properties.
- Voila!  Access will not split a subreport in this section between 2
pages.  Plus, if you want to force a page break at the start of a
subreport you can easily do that by setting the section's Force New Page
property.

P.S. Access allows up to 10 headers and 10 footers per report.  They can
be referred to using the Me.Section property using the following
indices:
Me.Section(5) - Group header # 1
Me.Section(6) - Group footer # 1
Me.Section(7) - Group header # 2
Me.Section(8) - Group footer # 2
...
-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:49 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


Dear Rocky:

Perhaps you could put an invisible page break between each sub-report.
Then in the OnOpen event of the report, Dcount the records in each of
the eight sub-reports and estimate the height of the sub-report from the
sub-report's report header plus the number of detail records.  Then make
the page break visible to separate the sub reports.

Of course since one of the fields in the detail record 'can grow' and
does, it's going to be an estimate at best.  Also, this means
potentially a lot of white space on a page. Nah, that won't really work
well.  You need to know where you are on the page during the printing of
the sub-report and page when it gets close to the bottom.

Maybe someone else has an idea.

With my very best regards for you and your family,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:18 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


Dear List:

I have a report that consists of eight sub reports.  Each sub-report can
be of a different length.  Each sub-report has a report header with some
descriptive text.  

The problem is that the main report page breaks in odd places sometimes
even cutting a line of the subreport in half horizontally!

I can, of course, insert an invisible page break between each sub-report
and make it visible if I'm close to the bottom of the page.  But I don't
know how to know, during the printing of the sub-report, where I am on
the main report.

Anybody got any ideas?

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software




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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon May  5 15:22:49 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 15:22:49 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Drop-down menus in Access
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B01@main2.marlow.com>

Do you mean a custom menu/tool bar, or do you mean a slide out control on a
form?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Black [mailto:pblack at hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 8:52 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Drop-down menus in Access


Hello

Could someone please point me to an article or an online example of how to 
create a drop-down menu within Access. I need an app that has this to 
minimize the amount of button objects within an app.

I can use A97, A2000, AXP for the app.

Thanks

Paul

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon May  5 15:23:13 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:23:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311EF6@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Funny, I could have sworn my Mother had something to say about who she
married (at least, according to my Father, she did), and it was still
considered the polite convention even when I got married.  Admittedly
that was several centuries ago and is long since history, but ... <VG>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 8:48 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)


Charlotte,

Back in the days when the woman didn't have much if any say as to whom
she got married to, "Best Wishes" to the bride was very appropriate. But
now that the bride has as much say in the matter as the groom, it seems
they both should be congratulated on finding a compatible partner. May
they both have a long and prosperous life together.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: Monday 2003 May 05 11:37
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)

It's traditional to offer "Congratulations" to the groom and "best
wishes" to the bride.  Seems like there's something there our ancestors
might have realized. <VBG>  Anyhow, congratulations AND best wishes to
the both of you.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 7:17 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)



 For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know that 
 I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when I got 
 married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I married 
 someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the last name 
 of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was awesome and
 we are in total married bliss.   
 
 --Susan
 
Susan B. Geller
Office of Information Systems
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University of Minnesota
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77 Pleasant Street SE
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon May  5 15:27:22 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:27:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Drop-down menus in Access
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311EF7@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Right click a toolbar and select customize.  From there, you can create
a custom toolbar and set it up to be a toolbar, a menubar or a shortcut
menu.  It doesn't really require a lot of examples for you to figure it
out fairly well for yourself.  

Charlotte Foust

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Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 5:52 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Drop-down menus in Access


Hello

Could someone please point me to an article or an online example of how
to 
create a drop-down menu within Access. I need an app that has this to 
minimize the amount of button objects within an app.

I can use A97, A2000, AXP for the app.

Thanks

Paul

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon May  5 15:28:32 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 15:28:32 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Late binding Withevents
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B02@main2.marlow.com>

JC, why would you want to use late binding anyways?  If you a dimensioning a
variable with 'withevents', then you are going to want to handle the events
for that object.  If you are going to have different objects, but with the
same events/properties, that sounds like you need to use Implements.  

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 8:10 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Late binding Withevents


Yep.  I have found articles that state quite clearly that late binding does
not work with Withevents.

8-(

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:03 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Late binding Withevents


John,

Does it work if you remove the WithEvents?

Jim DeMarco


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Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 8:33 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Late binding Withevents


Folks,

I am trying to use the late binding technique where you use compiler
constants to use early binding when developing and late binding for
production.  The following gives a compile error:

#Const Dev = False
#If Dev = True Then
Dim WithEvents myOlApp As Outlook.Application
#Else
Dim WithEvents myOlApp As object
#End If

on the dim statement in the #Else clause.

Are we saying that we can't use late binding if we dim an object withevents?
If that is true, it is a rather serious flaw in the concept!!!

John W. Colby
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon May  5 15:28:43 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:28:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Drop-down menus in Access
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311EF8@infoserver01.infostat.local>

It's not hard, Susan, you just gave up too easily! <VBG>  The combobox
on commandbars operates like the MSForms/VB combobox.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 4:41 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drop-down menus in Access


>From experience, I was never able to get the dropdown menu to work -- 
>the
terminology was inconsistent and I never could get the calls just right.
I could get the dropdown menu control, just couldn't populate it. It's
been several years, so perhaps the whole process has gotten easier! Good
luck!

Susan H.


> Look in the help files or ADH for creating your own menu bar or tool 
> bar.
>


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon May  5 15:33:11 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:33:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] SQL to manipulate indexes
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311EF9@infoserver01.infostat.local>

We do it through fields in a table that holds the information on each
back end table to be linked, imported/exported, etc.  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com] 
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 7:12 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] SQL to manipulate indexes


How many of you actually manipulate indexes programmatically on a
frequent basis? How do you get around the problem of knowing how many
arguments (field names) to pass for a complex index?

Susan H.

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From PBudge at cbsol.com  Mon May  5 15:39:27 2003
From: PBudge at cbsol.com (PBudge at cbsol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 15:39:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
Message-ID: <OF252C80AE.152B7CEB-ON86256D1D.00712B6B@cbsol.com>


Well, given that I'm a renter (of a small 1 bedroom flat), it's simply
astonishing how much time I can kill at a Home Depot. . . if I was getting
married, I'd *definitely* want to register there!  Why, I don't even have a
cordless drill!  ;-))))))))))))))

I have to say though, I had a sudden image of printing out a list from the
home depot registry and seeing a thing like - 6 gallons of Behr Semi-Gloss
paint in Twilight. . . If they do that, then they should *definitely* add a
line of those gift bags sized appropriately.  ;-))))))))


Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
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Home Depot needs to hire one of the people on this list who does
consulting.  Their registry process is old fashioned pen and paper and
you have to go into a store to make a purchase.  They are losing a lot
of potential business from others who realize that Home Depot is where
the best gifts are!

--Susan


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Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:19 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)



Not to mention listing Home Depot as a great place to buy gifts for the
happy couple. . . ;-))))))))


Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
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...nice pics ...no wonder he was willing to change his name to win your
hand! :)))

William Hindman

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From: "Susan Geller" <sgeller at cce.umn.edu>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:53 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)


> Thanks to all for the congratulations and good wishes.  Preliminary
> thumbnail pictures are at www.thegellers.org.  Genealogists will most
> definitely be confused.
>
> --Susan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Reische, Brenda L. [mailto:reische at mdh.org]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:32 PM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
>
>
> Congratulations!!!  I think that combining & changing both your names
> is very innovative!  (You may stump a few genealogists, though!!)
>
> Where are the pics??
>
> Brenda Reische
> Application Support Analyst
> McDonough District Hospital
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:17 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
>
>
>  For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know
> that  I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when

> I got  married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I
> married  someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the
> last name  of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was
> awesome and  we are in total married bliss.
>
>  --Susan
>
> Susan B. Geller
> Office of Information Systems
> College of Continuing Education
> University of Minnesota
> 306 Wesbrook Hall
> 77 Pleasant Street SE
> Minneapolis, MN 55455
> Phone:  612-626-4785
> Fax:  612-625-2568
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon May  5 15:38:44 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:38:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access VB question
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311EFB@infoserver01.infostat.local>

You can set up a command line argument to allow the bypass and test for
it in code using the Command() function.  That's what I do to allow a
backdoor into some of my more tightly wrapped applications.
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com] 
	Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 4:39 PM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access VB question
	
	
	 One method is to disable the startup from with the database
itself.  ie, have it look for a specific flag in a record, or have it
check for a specific command line argument, so that when it starts, the
startup code checks that 'trigger', and then stops...effectively
'bypassing' the startup stuff.  
	 
	========Exactly, but what I'm suggesting is that the problem may
need a change of strategy.... some "trigger" within the db itself that
knows when to reset the check -- such a "clue" may not exist. 
	 
	Susan H. 

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From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Mon May  5 16:03:13 2003
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 16:03:13 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging
Message-ID: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB2338C773@TAPPEEXCH01>

Rocky,
My solution doesn't force a page break between each subreport.  It just
keeps the subreports from being split between pages (in which case it would
force a break then).
 
Now, your second problem was "how do I break to the next page if I am xx
lines from the bottom?"  This can be done in the Format event by using the
.NextRecord and .MoveLayout properties.  For the purposes of this
discussion, let's assume that you placed the subreport in it's own header
(or footer) and the header was named MyHeader.  The code would look
something like:
 
Private Sub MyHeader_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
 
    If Me.Top > 12000 Then
        'Reformat output in next section
        Me.NextRecord = False
        Me.MoveLayout = True
        Me!srptMySub.Visible = False
    Else
        Me!srptMySub.Visible = True
    End If
 
End Sub
 
Pick whatever arbitrary number you want as a page break threshold.  The Top
property is in Twips, so multiply Inches by 1440 to get the number (e.g.
10.5 * 1440 = 15120).
 
The only gotcha to look out for is the CanShrink property.  If you have this
set to True for the section, and you hide the section's contents (i.e. the
subreport), you will be caught in an infinite loop because every subsequent
formatting event will take place in the exact same position!

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:26 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


Brett:
 
Thanks for your reply.
 
I don't want to force a page break between each sub-report.  Sometimes
they're only one line.  so they need to all flow together unless it's close
to the bottom of the page.  In that case the header text (4-6 lines) gets
split over two pages (sometimes in the middle of the line horizontally!) and
sometimes it will do this to a detail line.  
 
Any idea how to 1) prevent that and 2) to force a page break when close to
the bottom of the page but not page break when in the sub report starts in
the middle of the page?
 
Thanks and regards,
 
Rocky
 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Brett Barabash <mailto:BBarabash at tappeconstruction.com>  
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' <mailto:'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'>  
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:22 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging

Rocky,
Normally, I create a section for each subreport.  This allows me full
control over the page breaks:
- In the Sorting And Grouping box, type ="My Section" (call it whatever you
want, extra points for being descriptive), and set Group Header = Yes.  This
will create a report header where you can place your subreport.
- In the Report Header property sheet, set Keep Together = Yes.  Don't
forget to set your Can Grow and Can Shrink properties.
- Voila!  Access will not split a subreport in this section between 2 pages.
Plus, if you want to force a page break at the start of a subreport you can
easily do that by setting the section's Force New Page property.
 
P.S. Access allows up to 10 headers and 10 footers per report.  They can be
referred to using the Me.Section property using the following indices:
Me.Section(5) - Group header # 1
Me.Section(6) - Group footer # 1

Me.Section(7) - Group header # 2
Me.Section(8) - Group footer # 2
...

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:49 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


Dear Rocky:
 
Perhaps you could put an invisible page break between each sub-report.  Then
in the OnOpen event of the report, Dcount the records in each of the eight
sub-reports and estimate the height of the sub-report from the sub-report's
report header plus the number of detail records.  Then make the page break
visible to separate the sub reports.
 
Of course since one of the fields in the detail record 'can grow' and does,
it's going to be an estimate at best.  Also, this means potentially a lot of
white space on a page. Nah, that won't really work well.  You need to know
where you are on the page during the printing of the sub-report and page
when it gets close to the bottom.
 
Maybe someone else has an idea.
 
With my very best regards for you and your family,
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Rocky Smolin  <mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com> - Beach Access Software 
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com <mailto:AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>  
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:18 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging

Dear List:
 
I have a report that consists of eight sub reports.  Each sub-report can be
of a different length.  Each sub-report has a report header with some
descriptive text.  
 
The problem is that the main report page breaks in odd places sometimes even
cutting a line of the subreport in half horizontally!
 
I can, of course, insert an invisible page break between each sub-report and
make it visible if I'm close to the bottom of the page.  But I don't know
how to know, during the printing of the sub-report, where I am on the main
report.
 
Anybody got any ideas?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
 



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon May  5 16:13:05 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 14:13:05 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311EFC@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Won't this only work if you use sections for the subreports?  Rocky may
be able to use the idea, but unfortunately our reports contain too many
subreports for that approach.  

Charlotte Foust  


-----Original Message-----
From: Brett Barabash [mailto:BBarabash at tappeconstruction.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:03 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


Rocky,
My solution doesn't force a page break between each subreport.  It just
keeps the subreports from being split between pages (in which case it
would force a break then).

Now, your second problem was "how do I break to the next page if I am xx
lines from the bottom?"  This can be done in the Format event by using
the .NextRecord and .MoveLayout properties.  For the purposes of this
discussion, let's assume that you placed the subreport in it's own
header (or footer) and the header was named MyHeader.  The code would
look something like:

Private Sub MyHeader_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)

    If Me.Top > 12000 Then
        'Reformat output in next section
        Me.NextRecord = False
        Me.MoveLayout = True
        Me!srptMySub.Visible = False
    Else
        Me!srptMySub.Visible = True
    End If

End Sub

Pick whatever arbitrary number you want as a page break threshold.  The
Top property is in Twips, so multiply Inches by 1440 to get the number
(e.g. 10.5 * 1440 = 15120).

The only gotcha to look out for is the CanShrink property.  If you have
this set to True for the section, and you hide the section's contents
(i.e. the subreport), you will be caught in an infinite loop because
every subsequent formatting event will take place in the exact same
position!
-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:26 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


Brett:

Thanks for your reply.

I don't want to force a page break between each sub-report.  Sometimes
they're only one line.  so they need to all flow together unless it's
close to the bottom of the page.  In that case the header text (4-6
lines) gets split over two pages (sometimes in the middle of the line
horizontally!) and sometimes it will do this to a detail line.  

Any idea how to 1) prevent that and 2) to force a page break when close
to the bottom of the page but not page break when in the sub report
starts in the middle of the page?

Thanks and regards,

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Brett Barabash 
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:22 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


Rocky,
Normally, I create a section for each subreport.  This allows me full
control over the page breaks:
- In the Sorting And Grouping box, type ="My Section" (call it whatever
you want, extra points for being descriptive), and set Group Header =
Yes.  This will create a report header where you can place your
subreport.
- In the Report Header property sheet, set Keep Together = Yes.  Don't
forget to set your Can Grow and Can Shrink properties.
- Voila!  Access will not split a subreport in this section between 2
pages.  Plus, if you want to force a page break at the start of a
subreport you can easily do that by setting the section's Force New Page
property.

P.S. Access allows up to 10 headers and 10 footers per report.  They can
be referred to using the Me.Section property using the following
indices:
Me.Section(5) - Group header # 1
Me.Section(6) - Group footer # 1
Me.Section(7) - Group header # 2
Me.Section(8) - Group footer # 2
...
-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:49 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


Dear Rocky:

Perhaps you could put an invisible page break between each sub-report.
Then in the OnOpen event of the report, Dcount the records in each of
the eight sub-reports and estimate the height of the sub-report from the
sub-report's report header plus the number of detail records.  Then make
the page break visible to separate the sub reports.

Of course since one of the fields in the detail record 'can grow' and
does, it's going to be an estimate at best.  Also, this means
potentially a lot of white space on a page. Nah, that won't really work
well.  You need to know where you are on the page during the printing of
the sub-report and page when it gets close to the bottom.

Maybe someone else has an idea.

With my very best regards for you and your family,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:18 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


Dear List:

I have a report that consists of eight sub reports.  Each sub-report can
be of a different length.  Each sub-report has a report header with some
descriptive text.  

The problem is that the main report page breaks in odd places sometimes
even cutting a line of the subreport in half horizontally!

I can, of course, insert an invisible page break between each sub-report
and make it visible if I'm close to the bottom of the page.  But I don't
know how to know, during the printing of the sub-report, where I am on
the main report.

Anybody got any ideas?

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software




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From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Mon May  5 16:23:24 2003
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 16:23:24 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging
Message-ID: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB2338C774@TAPPEEXCH01>

Charlotte,
Yes, each subreport has to be in a separate section.  That's the only way I
found to fire a Format event for each subreport.


-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 4:13 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


Won't this only work if you use sections for the subreports?  Rocky may
be able to use the idea, but unfortunately our reports contain too many
subreports for that approach.  

Charlotte Foust  


-----Original Message-----
From: Brett Barabash [mailto:BBarabash at tappeconstruction.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:03 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


Rocky,
My solution doesn't force a page break between each subreport.  It just
keeps the subreports from being split between pages (in which case it
would force a break then).

Now, your second problem was "how do I break to the next page if I am xx
lines from the bottom?"  This can be done in the Format event by using
the .NextRecord and .MoveLayout properties.  For the purposes of this
discussion, let's assume that you placed the subreport in it's own
header (or footer) and the header was named MyHeader.  The code would
look something like:

Private Sub MyHeader_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)

    If Me.Top > 12000 Then
        'Reformat output in next section
        Me.NextRecord = False
        Me.MoveLayout = True
        Me!srptMySub.Visible = False
    Else
        Me!srptMySub.Visible = True
    End If

End Sub

Pick whatever arbitrary number you want as a page break threshold.  The
Top property is in Twips, so multiply Inches by 1440 to get the number
(e.g. 10.5 * 1440 = 15120).

The only gotcha to look out for is the CanShrink property.  If you have
this set to True for the section, and you hide the section's contents
(i.e. the subreport), you will be caught in an infinite loop because
every subsequent formatting event will take place in the exact same
position!
-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:26 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


Brett:

Thanks for your reply.

I don't want to force a page break between each sub-report.  Sometimes
they're only one line.  so they need to all flow together unless it's
close to the bottom of the page.  In that case the header text (4-6
lines) gets split over two pages (sometimes in the middle of the line
horizontally!) and sometimes it will do this to a detail line.  

Any idea how to 1) prevent that and 2) to force a page break when close
to the bottom of the page but not page break when in the sub report
starts in the middle of the page?

Thanks and regards,

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Brett Barabash 
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:22 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


Rocky,
Normally, I create a section for each subreport.  This allows me full
control over the page breaks:
- In the Sorting And Grouping box, type ="My Section" (call it whatever
you want, extra points for being descriptive), and set Group Header =
Yes.  This will create a report header where you can place your
subreport.
- In the Report Header property sheet, set Keep Together = Yes.  Don't
forget to set your Can Grow and Can Shrink properties.
- Voila!  Access will not split a subreport in this section between 2
pages.  Plus, if you want to force a page break at the start of a
subreport you can easily do that by setting the section's Force New Page
property.

P.S. Access allows up to 10 headers and 10 footers per report.  They can
be referred to using the Me.Section property using the following
indices:
Me.Section(5) - Group header # 1
Me.Section(6) - Group footer # 1
Me.Section(7) - Group header # 2
Me.Section(8) - Group footer # 2
...
-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:49 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


Dear Rocky:

Perhaps you could put an invisible page break between each sub-report.
Then in the OnOpen event of the report, Dcount the records in each of
the eight sub-reports and estimate the height of the sub-report from the
sub-report's report header plus the number of detail records.  Then make
the page break visible to separate the sub reports.

Of course since one of the fields in the detail record 'can grow' and
does, it's going to be an estimate at best.  Also, this means
potentially a lot of white space on a page. Nah, that won't really work
well.  You need to know where you are on the page during the printing of
the sub-report and page when it gets close to the bottom.

Maybe someone else has an idea.

With my very best regards for you and your family,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:18 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


Dear List:

I have a report that consists of eight sub reports.  Each sub-report can
be of a different length.  Each sub-report has a report header with some
descriptive text.  

The problem is that the main report page breaks in odd places sometimes
even cutting a line of the subreport in half horizontally!

I can, of course, insert an invisible page break between each sub-report
and make it visible if I'm close to the bottom of the page.  But I don't
know how to know, during the printing of the sub-report, where I am on
the main report.

Anybody got any ideas?

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

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From weeden1949 at hotmail.com  Mon May  5 16:55:35 2003
From: weeden1949 at hotmail.com (Greg S)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 16:55:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT:  New Name (cross posted)
References: <CD6E25A7E2F6734FA126AED83B9D54FB01119AF6@ccemail2.cce.local>
Message-ID: <Law8-OE35qjAs955E3y000042c6@hotmail.com>

Susan:

Congratulations!  And GOOD LUCK!  From Iowa (that's SOUTH from
Minneapolis...;))

Greg Smith
Programmer/Trainer

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Geller" <sgeller at cce.umn.edu>
To: <dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com>; <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:53 AM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (cross posted)


> For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know that
> I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when I got
> married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I married
> someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the last name
> of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was awesome and
> we are in total married bliss.
>
> --Susan
>
>
> Susan B. Geller
> Office of Information Systems
> College of Continuing Education
> University of Minnesota
> 306 Wesbrook Hall
> 77 Pleasant Street SE
> Minneapolis, MN 55455
> Phone:  612-626-4785
> Fax:  612-625-2568
>
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon May  5 17:09:31 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 18:09:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Late binding Withevents
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B02@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEIADKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

So that I can prevent missing references.

#Const Dev = False
#If Dev = True Then
Dim WithEvents myOlApp As Outlook.Application
#Else
Dim WithEvents myOlApp As object
#End If

Set dev = true, get early binding, intellesense etc.  However if the exact
lib you are using isn't available on the client machine - missing reference
(DLL HELL).

Set dev = false, late binding, ANY lib for that object will do.  DLL
purgatory.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 4:29 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Late binding Withevents


JC, why would you want to use late binding anyways?  If you a dimensioning a
variable with 'withevents', then you are going to want to handle the events
for that object.  If you are going to have different objects, but with the
same events/properties, that sounds like you need to use Implements.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 8:10 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Late binding Withevents


Yep.  I have found articles that state quite clearly that late binding does
not work with Withevents.

8-(

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:03 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Late binding Withevents


John,

Does it work if you remove the WithEvents?

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 8:33 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Late binding Withevents


Folks,

I am trying to use the late binding technique where you use compiler
constants to use early binding when developing and late binding for
production.  The following gives a compile error:

#Const Dev = False
#If Dev = True Then
Dim WithEvents myOlApp As Outlook.Application
#Else
Dim WithEvents myOlApp As object
#End If

on the dim statement in the #Else clause.

Are we saying that we can't use late binding if we dim an object withevents?
If that is true, it is a rather serious flaw in the concept!!!

John W. Colby
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From bbruen at bigpond.com  Mon May  5 17:34:27 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 08:34:27 +1000
Subject: Bruce Bruen's email Client   Was: RE: [AccessD] OT:
	^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@
In-Reply-To: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E293B1@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <001c01c31356$7e4df7e0$7600a8c0@bbb888>

NO ARCHIVE

Its not a problem Mark - I hadn't realised that adding the cert for code
execution purposes had changed my mail transmission settings as well.  I
guess its just another case of M$ knowing better about what we are
trying to do than we do... :-)
Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mitsules,
Mark
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 2:30 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: Re: Bruce Bruen's email Client Was: RE: [AccessD] OT:
^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


Bruce,

I would have answered sooner, however the weekend shouted my name quite
early on Friday:)  But, to second Drew's reply...yes, the message below
came across as plain text.  And, many thanks...I didn't mean for you to
go to any trouble, I was hoping I could address it on my end if
possible.


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Bruen [mailto:bbruen at bigpond.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 6:33 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Re: Bruce Bruen's email Client Was: RE: [AccessD] OT:
^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


Bugger!

How about now - I've jigged a few options.

Tia
 Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 8:19 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: Re: Bruce Bruen's email Client Was: RE: [AccessD] OT:
^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


The attachment is plain text, but the email is showing up as an
attachment still.

Drew

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Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:06 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Re: Bruce Bruen's email Client Was: RE: [AccessD] OT:
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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Mon May  5 10:11:41 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 10:11:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] RE: [dba-SQLServer]OT:  New Name (cross posted)
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F877EE@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Congratulations!  May you two have a long and prosperous life together.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
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Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Monday 2003 May 05 09:54
To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]OT: New Name (cross posted)

> For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know that

> I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when I got

> married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I married 
> someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the last name 
> of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was awesome and
> we are in total married bliss.   
> 
> --Susan
> 
> 
> Susan B. Geller
> Office of Information Systems
> College of Continuing Education
> University of Minnesota
> 306 Wesbrook Hall
> 77 Pleasant Street SE
> Minneapolis, MN 55455
> Phone:  612-626-4785
> Fax:  612-625-2568
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From sgeller at cce.umn.edu  Mon May  5 09:53:54 2003
From: sgeller at cce.umn.edu (Susan Geller)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 09:53:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer]OT:  New Name (cross posted)
Message-ID: <DDI-PDCtwbyiaxa4wNn00000003@ddi-pdc.DDISolutions.ddisolutions.com.au>

> For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know that
> I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when I got
> married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I married
> someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the last name
> of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was awesome and
> we are in total married bliss.   
> 
> --Susan
> 
> 
> Susan B. Geller
> Office of Information Systems
> College of Continuing Education
> University of Minnesota
> 306 Wesbrook Hall
> 77 Pleasant Street SE
> Minneapolis, MN 55455
> Phone:  612-626-4785
> Fax:  612-625-2568
> 
> 
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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Mon May  5 10:57:37 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 10:57:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] RE: [dba-SQLServer]OT:  New Name (cross posted)
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F877F0@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Francisco,

In the United States almost anyone can legally change their name for
almost any reason.  In many of the states all that you have to do is
fill out the proper forms, pay the proper fees, and affirm that you are
not changing your name to hide from your creditors or the law.  Check
with your local courthouse or a local lawyer on the details in your
state.

Are you thinking of changing your last name to Tapioca? <grin>  Or maybe
Tap?

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Francisco H Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net] 
Sent: Monday 2003 May 05 10:42
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer]OT: New Name (cross posted)


tooooo funny!, that's exactly what I thought.. Typ-o.  I didn't know you
could make up a last name when you got married.  Is that just a state
thing or is that nation wide... (thinking why didn't I change my name to
something new ;o))

-Francisco
http://rcm.netfirms.com
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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Mon May  5 13:17:44 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:17:44 -0500
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]RE: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F877F2@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Susan,

Is it safe to assume that the taller of the two young ladies in white
dresses is you?  And is the gentleman in the cumberbund/vest Chris?
Anyway, again Mazel Tov!  May you two have a long and prosperous life
together.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Monday 2003 May 05 12:54
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)
Importance: Low


Thanks to all for the congratulations and good wishes.  Preliminary
thumbnail pictures are at www.thegellers.org.  Genealogists will most
definitely be confused.

--Susan


-----Original Message-----
From: Reische, Brenda L. [mailto:reische at mdh.org] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:32 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)


Congratulations!!!  I think that combining & changing both your names is
very innovative!  (You may stump a few genealogists, though!!)

Where are the pics??  

Brenda Reische
Application Support Analyst
McDonough District Hospital

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:17 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: New Name (Cross posted)


 For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know that 
 I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when I got 
 married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I married 
 someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the last name 
 of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was awesome and
 we are in total married bliss.   
 
 --Susan
 
Susan B. Geller
Office of Information Systems
College of Continuing Education
University of Minnesota
306 Wesbrook Hall
77 Pleasant Street SE
Minneapolis, MN 55455
Phone:  612-626-4785
Fax:  612-625-2568

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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Mon May  5 10:11:41 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 10:11:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] RE: [dba-SQLServer]OT:  New Name (cross posted)
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F877EE@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Congratulations!  May you two have a long and prosperous life together.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Monday 2003 May 05 09:54
To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [dba-SQLServer]OT: New Name (cross posted)

> For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know that

> I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when I got

> married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I married 
> someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the last name 
> of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was awesome and
> we are in total married bliss.   
> 
> --Susan
> 
> 
> Susan B. Geller
> Office of Information Systems
> College of Continuing Education
> University of Minnesota
> 306 Wesbrook Hall
> 77 Pleasant Street SE
> Minneapolis, MN 55455
> Phone:  612-626-4785
> Fax:  612-625-2568
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon May  5 18:38:35 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 09:38:35 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
In-Reply-To: <000101c31324$a022ee20$b274d0d5@andypc>
References: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFOEJNCHAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <3EB7829B.24308.6BE212@localhost>


Check out Pegasus Mail at  http://www.pmail.com
It does this and more with it's "Identities"


On 5 May 2003 at 17:37, Andy Lacey wrote:

> Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> 
> I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but recently my
> wife is getting more into email and that's thrown up what I think is a
> limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to both use the same
> email client and both see all incoming mail (personal stuff may be to
> either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc, but when we send an
> email we want to be able to determine which of us is the Sender and
> therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to each have our own
> signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't cater for this at all
> well. I can set her own profile up but that separates us too much. If
> a friend happens to have written to my email address themn my wife
> won't see it because it'll be in my Inbox, and vice-versa. My question
> is: can what I'm describing be done in another client such as Eudora?
> 
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
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Support.




From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Mon May  5 19:25:46 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 09:55:46 +0930 
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A00A@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

You can do this quite easily in outlook.

One option is to create two separate profiles. One for yourself and one for
your wife. You can both open the same PST file to store 'common' emails, and
I *believe* you can share contacts (not sure on that one though).

Having separate profiles isn't necessarily required though, I think there is
also an option of sending using a specific account.. 

You can also quite easily select one of a number of stored signatures before
you send the email..

Cheers,
Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg]
Sent: Tuesday, 6 May 2003 9:09 AM
To: Andy Lacey; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Email clients



Check out Pegasus Mail at  http://www.pmail.com
It does this and more with it's "Identities"


On 5 May 2003 at 17:37, Andy Lacey wrote:

> Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> 
> I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but recently my
> wife is getting more into email and that's thrown up what I think is a
> limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to both use the same
> email client and both see all incoming mail (personal stuff may be to
> either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc, but when we send an
> email we want to be able to determine which of us is the Sender and
> therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to each have our own
> signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't cater for this at all
> well. I can set her own profile up but that separates us too much. If
> a friend happens to have written to my email address themn my wife
> won't see it because it'll be in my Inbox, and vice-versa. My question
> is: can what I'm describing be done in another client such as Eudora?
> 
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> 
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From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Mon May  5 21:53:10 2003
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 14:53:10 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
Message-ID: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F29038A70@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>

In this thread a couple of months ago there was a solution offered to the problem of determining the value of an ID Autonumber of a record just added.  

It was stunning in its simplicity, so of course I didn't write it down  ;-( 

Can anyone help?

TIA

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Otatara, New Zealand 
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon May  5 22:28:08 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 20:28:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Notebook Processor
Message-ID: <002801c3137f$83eb8310$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

I have to spec a notebook for a friend.  Any big difference between a Celeron and a P4?  This is for pretty casual use - Word, Excel, web browsing - not a power user, just getting her real estate license.

MTIA,

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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon May  5 22:32:06 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 23:32:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - job
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B00@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <003b01c31380$11caf080$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

...the AccessD list netiquette rules posted at www.databaseadvisors.com
specifically state that job postings, either wants or needs, are welcome so
long as the same job is not posted more than once per week. :)

William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 4:18 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - job


> Hey, I am all for posting both help wanted and job wanted posts.  As long
as
> it is from a list member, and not a spam situation.  Just my two cents.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:05 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT - job
>
>
> Job Title: Windows Software Engineer (VB/VBA/COM/Outlook)
> Location: Palo Alto, CA
>
> =========Contact me privately for more information or check out
> http://www.surfpulse.com/private/jobs.shtml -- first job listed on the
page.
> VB/VBA is the listed language, so even though it's a Windows position,
> somewhere here might qualify.
>
> Please don't send me any nasty off topic messages -- I think we can all
> stand an occasional job listing. Personally, if it weren't for the people
on
> the list, I'd be in publishing hell right now...
>
> Susan H.
>
>
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Mon May  5 22:54:30 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 22:54:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Notebook Processor
In-Reply-To: <002801c3137f$83eb8310$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIGEAHEHAA.john@winhaven.net>

By all means go with a Celeron or AMD CPU for normal to light work loads.
Saves a lot of cash!

You migth want to consider the weigh as the overall consideration if she has
to carry it much, otherwise connectivity is the issue I look at. I have a
USB hub on mine and don't use anything but the processor when in my office.
On the road its nice to not have a soar shoulder from long hauls in the
airport! More and more I'm using my Pocket PC for everything but take along
work anyway. About the only I can't do on it is programming and typing Word
documents (time for one of those keyboard thingies I guess). For real estate
maybe you might want to look at one of those tablet jobs?

If she doesn't want to spend much you can get great deals on reconditioned
laptops. I've gotten those for people that don't want to spend much and only
do light duty with them like email and word, etc. you can also get no-name
laptops now. (Most of the big guys don't make their own laptops anyway.)

HTH
JB
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
  Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:28 PM
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: [AccessD] OT: Notebook Processor


  I have to spec a notebook for a friend.  Any big difference between a
Celeron and a P4?  This is for pretty casual use - Word, Excel, web
browsing - not a power user, just getting her real estate license.

  MTIA,

  Rocky Smolin
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Mon May  5 22:56:05 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 23:56:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311EF5@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <004901c31383$6b220120$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

...take a look at KB 292050 ...HTH :)

William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 4:18 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging


> Rocky,
> 
> If you find an answer, please share it with me!  We've struggled with
> this question and have never found a satisfactory answer ...
> particularly since we also hide subreports that have no data, which
> moves the ones below them up and ... well, you get the idea, I'm sure.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:26 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging
> 
> 
> Brett:
> 
> Thanks for your reply.
> 
> I don't want to force a page break between each sub-report.  Sometimes
> they're only one line.  so they need to all flow together unless it's
> close to the bottom of the page.  In that case the header text (4-6
> lines) gets split over two pages (sometimes in the middle of the line
> horizontally!) and sometimes it will do this to a detail line.  
> 
> Any idea how to 1) prevent that and 2) to force a page break when close
> to the bottom of the page but not page break when in the sub report
> starts in the middle of the page?
> 
> Thanks and regards,
> 
> Rocky
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Brett Barabash 
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:22 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging
> 
> 
> Rocky,
> Normally, I create a section for each subreport.  This allows me full
> control over the page breaks:
> - In the Sorting And Grouping box, type ="My Section" (call it whatever
> you want, extra points for being descriptive), and set Group Header =
> Yes.  This will create a report header where you can place your
> subreport.
> - In the Report Header property sheet, set Keep Together = Yes.  Don't
> forget to set your Can Grow and Can Shrink properties.
> - Voila!  Access will not split a subreport in this section between 2
> pages.  Plus, if you want to force a page break at the start of a
> subreport you can easily do that by setting the section's Force New Page
> property.
> 
> P.S. Access allows up to 10 headers and 10 footers per report.  They can
> be referred to using the Me.Section property using the following
> indices:
> Me.Section(5) - Group header # 1
> Me.Section(6) - Group footer # 1
> Me.Section(7) - Group header # 2
> Me.Section(8) - Group footer # 2
> ...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:49 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging
> 
> 
> Dear Rocky:
> 
> Perhaps you could put an invisible page break between each sub-report.
> Then in the OnOpen event of the report, Dcount the records in each of
> the eight sub-reports and estimate the height of the sub-report from the
> sub-report's report header plus the number of detail records.  Then make
> the page break visible to separate the sub reports.
> 
> Of course since one of the fields in the detail record 'can grow' and
> does, it's going to be an estimate at best.  Also, this means
> potentially a lot of white space on a page. Nah, that won't really work
> well.  You need to know where you are on the page during the printing of
> the sub-report and page when it gets close to the bottom.
> 
> Maybe someone else has an idea.
> 
> With my very best regards for you and your family,
> 
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:18 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Sub-Reports and Paging
> 
> 
> Dear List:
> 
> I have a report that consists of eight sub reports.  Each sub-report can
> be of a different length.  Each sub-report has a report header with some
> descriptive text.  
> 
> The problem is that the main report page breaks in odd places sometimes
> even cutting a line of the subreport in half horizontally!
> 
> I can, of course, insert an invisible page break between each sub-report
> and make it visible if I'm close to the bottom of the page.  But I don't
> know how to know, during the printing of the sub-report, where I am on
> the main report.
> 
> Anybody got any ideas?
> 
> MTIA,
> 
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> 
> 
> 
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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Mon May  5 23:08:54 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 13:38:54 +0930 
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A013@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

SELECT @@IDENTITY

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz]
Sent: Tuesday, 6 May 2003 12:23 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


In this thread a couple of months ago there was a solution offered to the
problem of determining the value of an ID Autonumber of a record just added.


It was stunning in its simplicity, so of course I didn't write it down  ;-( 

Can anyone help?

TIA

Stephen Bond 
Otatara, New Zealand 
( tel 03 213 1256   fax 03 213 0123 
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From music at weblnk.net  Mon May  5 23:55:13 2003
From: music at weblnk.net (Jason Strickland)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 00:55:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Notebook Processor
In-Reply-To: <002801c3137f$83eb8310$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <DAEHJOOMDNIENOENCOFIKEMGCHAA.music@weblnk.net>

Go for the Pentium M processor (otherwise confused as Centrino)  Has much
better battery life.  I'm looking at several right now trying to make a
final decision.

Jason
  -----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
  Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:28 PM
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: [AccessD] OT: Notebook Processor


  I have to spec a notebook for a friend.  Any big difference between a
Celeron and a P4?  This is for pretty casual use - Word, Excel, web
browsing - not a power user, just getting her real estate license.

  MTIA,

  Rocky Smolin
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue May  6 01:43:58 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 07:43:58 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
In-Reply-To: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A00A@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>
Message-ID: <002f01c3139a$df120fa0$b274d0d5@andypc>

Thanks to all who replied. With the list's help I've got it working in
Outlook. Just couldn't see it before.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Haslett, Andrew
> Sent: 06 May 2003 01:26
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> 
> 
> You can do this quite easily in outlook.
> 
> One option is to create two separate profiles. One for 
> yourself and one for your wife. You can both open the same 
> PST file to store 'common' emails, and I *believe* you can 
> share contacts (not sure on that one though).
> 
> Having separate profiles isn't necessarily required though, I 
> think there is also an option of sending using a specific account.. 
> 
> You can also quite easily select one of a number of stored 
> signatures before you send the email..
> 
> Cheers,
> Andrew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg]
> Sent: Tuesday, 6 May 2003 9:09 AM
> To: Andy Lacey; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> 
> 
> 
> Check out Pegasus Mail at  http://www.pmail.com
> It does this and more with it's "Identities"
> 
> 
> On 5 May 2003 at 17:37, Andy Lacey wrote:
> 
> > Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> > 
> > I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but recently my 
> > wife is getting more into email and that's thrown up what I 
> think is a 
> > limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to both 
> use the same 
> > email client and both see all incoming mail (personal stuff 
> may be to 
> > either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc, but when 
> we send an 
> > email we want to be able to determine which of us is the Sender and 
> > therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to each have our own 
> > signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't cater for this at all 
> > well. I can set her own profile up but that separates us 
> too much. If 
> > a friend happens to have written to my email address themn my wife 
> > won't see it because it'll be in my Inbox, and vice-versa. 
> My question
> > is: can what I'm describing be done in another client such 
> as Eudora?
> > 
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > 
> > 
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> Support.
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From ad_tp at hotmail.com  Tue May  6 02:15:35 2003
From: ad_tp at hotmail.com (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 12:45:35 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Eval not working?
References: <014901c31264$8cb7ef40$b274d0d5@andypc>
Message-ID: <Law9-OE23L9NtDEJmGz00010d4d@hotmail.com>

MessageRyan,

    Could you kindly post the particulars of each label (name & caption) as well as the exact code used by you. If the functions are user-defined (i.e. not inbuilt ones), the code for each such function may also pl be given. 
    It is presumed that you have test checked each function to work properly when used in a normal manner(i.e. not by Eval() method)

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
-----------------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Andy Lacey 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 23:12
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Eval not working?


  Sounds odd Ryan. It should work as you have it, and I'd certainly expect Access to fail if the function name was incorrect. Have you stepped through it in debug?

  Andy Lacey
  http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



    -----Original Message-----
    From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Smethurst, Ryan
    Sent: 02 May 2003 17:24
    To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
    Subject: [AccessD] Eval not working?


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    Hi All, 

    I have a series of functions that need to be run one after the other. 

    They are all prefixed with the "Update_" and I was hoping to simply loop through labels on a form to complete the names and voila.

    But when I use: 

    strname = First then Second then Third etc etc (example) 

    Eval("Update_" & strName & "()") 

    although I get no error, the function isn't called? 

    Does anyone know why? 

    TIA 
    RyanS 



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From MarkH at bitgen.co.uk  Tue May  6 03:05:46 2003
From: MarkH at bitgen.co.uk (Mark H)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 09:05:46 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Wierd behaviour with DAO and Numbers in Excel
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Hi All...

Sorry this is a bit OT but I thought someone may have seen this before.

I am using Office XP and have a table in a spreadsheet that has a column
which contains either a single character or number. If I load the table
into a recordset using DAO etc. any record where there is a number in
that column comes back as null. If I format the cell as text and edit it
then its ok.

Any ideas on how to avoid this sort of behaviour? Or, more
importantly... Anything else like this worth watching out for?

Thanks in advance

Mark

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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Tue May  6 03:06:23 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 09:06:23 +0100 
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer]OT:  New Name (cross posted)
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956858@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Congratulations Susan! The shared name is a great idea. 
Any wedding photos??

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: 05 May 2003 15:54
To: dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer]OT: New Name (cross posted)


> For those of you who know who I am, I just wanted to let you know that 
> I changed my name from Susan Zeller to Susan Geller on 4/27 when I got 
> married.  So, when you see "Geller", don't think typo.  I married 
> someone with the last name of Gellerman and we made up the last name 
> of Geller as a way of having a shared name.  Wedding was awesome and
> we are in total married bliss.   
> 
> --Susan
> 
> 
> Susan B. Geller
> Office of Information Systems
> College of Continuing Education
> University of Minnesota
> 306 Wesbrook Hall
> 77 Pleasant Street SE
> Minneapolis, MN 55455
> Phone:  612-626-4785
> Fax:  612-625-2568
> 
> 
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From tracy at ak.planet.gen.nz  Tue May  6 03:12:23 2003
From: tracy at ak.planet.gen.nz (Tracy)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 20:12:23 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Table links using MySQL
Message-ID: <010601c313a7$3a2d9d80$aa4114ca@Notebook>

Hi Listers
Thought I'd ask:
If the MyODBC is set up correctly on the PC with the backend MySQL data file, is there a need to test the connection during the opening of the Access Frontend ?
Or would the MySQL always be accessable ?

If the MySQL data file isn't available - how do you go about relinking the files to the MySQL data file ?

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From l.van.staalduinen at hccnet.nl  Tue May  6 03:43:05 2003
From: l.van.staalduinen at hccnet.nl (Leendert van Staalduinen)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 10:43:05 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] ADOX references in Access
Message-ID: <007701c313ab$835e5a40$fe78a8c0@vSDMDomain.local>

I have a problem with ADOX references in Access. 

I develop on a PC and have a reference to msadox.dll. The Available References box shows: "Microsoft ADO Ext. 2.7 for DLL and Security" (which is ADOX version 2.7).
When I copy the application to another PC that has not the ADOX version 2.7 (but has a lower ADOX version), I find immediately a Broken Reference (shown in the Available References box as "MISSING:.").
Fixing it in the Available References box is simple though somewhat weird:
I know no better way than clearing the ADOX version 2.7 (which refers to .\ADO\msadox.dll), leave the Available References box, return to it and mark the "Microsoft ADO Ext. 2.1 for DLL and Security" (yes: ADOX version 2.1) and it is fixed. Why weird:  if I return the Available References box, it will show me "Microsoft ADO Ext. 2.5 for DLL and Security" or "Microsoft ADO Ext. 2.6 for DLL and Security" (yes: ADOX version 2.5 or 2.6). All references (broken or fixed) refer to the very same file .\ADO\msadox.dll.
 
Now my problem: how to do this in code. Come'on Access aficionados: don't' tell me:
           Access.Application.References.Remove References.Item(3)
           Call Access.Application.References.AddFromGuid( _
                "{00000600-0000-0010-8000-00AA006D2EA4}", 2, 1)
What's the problem:  the first line References.Remove References.Item(3)  does not work:
Err = -2147319779:   "Object Library not registered".
To be obvious: regsvr32  <path>\msadox.dll does not help.
I interpret this as: the program cannot handle the "Microsoft ADO Ext. 2.7 for DLL and Security" description as it is not known in the registry.

Anybody who can give me good advice. I want to have a bulletproof solution in VBA.
What I am not asking for is an answer like:
-          Fix it in the Available References box.
-          Install ADOX 2.7 (or MDAC 2.6, -2.7) on the other PC (these are PCs on client locations and they do not allow me to dictate the ADOX version (which would be ridiculous too)).
-          Make a Reference to ADOX 2.1 or ADOX 2.5 on your own PC: that does not help, it will show up again as ADOX 2.7.
 
Any good advice ?
Leendert van Staalduinen.
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From ryan.smethurst at bromley.gov.uk  Tue May  6 04:47:52 2003
From: ryan.smethurst at bromley.gov.uk (Smethurst, Ryan)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 10:47:52 +0100 
Subject: [AccessD] Eval not working?
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Yes Andy, 
 
Have stepped through it and it simply steps over the Eval line, no problems
or errors, but neither does it do anything.

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Subject: RE: [AccessD] Eval not working?



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Sounds odd Ryan. It should work as you have it, and I'd certainly expect
Access to fail if the function name was incorrect. Have you stepped through
it in debug?
 

Andy Lacey
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Hi All, 

I have a series of functions that need to be run one after the other. 

They are all prefixed with the "Update_" and I was hoping to simply loop
through labels on a form to complete the names and voila.

But when I use: 

strname = First then Second then Third etc etc (example) 

Eval("Update_" & strName & "()") 

although I get no error, the function isn't called? 

Does anyone know why? 

TIA 
RyanS 



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From ryan.smethurst at bromley.gov.uk  Tue May  6 04:58:01 2003
From: ryan.smethurst at bromley.gov.uk (Smethurst, Ryan)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 10:58:01 +0100 
Subject: [AccessD] Eval not working?
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Ok, 
 
Error found.
 
I was calling a sub and not a function...seems to work now.
 
Thanks for the help.
 
RyanS

 
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Sent: 06 May 2003 08:16
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Eval not working?



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Ryan,
 
    Could you kindly post the particulars of each label (name & caption) as
well as the exact code used by you. If the functions are user-defined (i.e.
not inbuilt ones), the code for each such function may also pl be given. 
    It is presumed that you have test checked each function to work properly
when used in a normal manner(i.e. not by Eval() method)
 
Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: Andy Lacey <mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk>  
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>  
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 23:12
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Eval not working?

Sounds odd Ryan. It should work as you have it, and I'd certainly expect
Access to fail if the function name was incorrect. Have you stepped through
it in debug?
 

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk <http://www.minstersystems.co.uk> 



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Subject: [AccessD] Eval not working?



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Hi All, 

I have a series of functions that need to be run one after the other. 

They are all prefixed with the "Update_" and I was hoping to simply loop
through labels on a form to complete the names and voila.

But when I use: 

strname = First then Second then Third etc etc (example) 

Eval("Update_" & strName & "()") 

although I get no error, the function isn't called? 

Does anyone know why? 

TIA 
RyanS 



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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Tue May  6 05:03:36 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 06:03:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
In-Reply-To: <13464105217707713323d0567@global.net.pg>
References: <000101c31324$a022ee20$b274d0d5@andypc>
Message-ID: <3EB75038.24411.313BBF@localhost>

On 6 May 2003 at 9:38, Stuart McLachlan wrote:

> 
> Check out Pegasus Mail at  http://www.pmail.com
> It does this and more with it's "Identities"

I'll second Stuart's reommendation.

I have 4 identities set up to deal with 4 different accounts all from 
the same mail store.

It's even got server side mail filtering rules to delete spam before 
it gets to you :-)

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
I've learned....
That the less time I have to work with, the more things I get done.



From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue May  6 05:26:25 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 12:26:25 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Eval not working?
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Hi Ryan

> Error found.
> I was calling a sub and not a function...seems to work now.

But why didn't that throw an 2425 error?

/gustav


> But when I use: 

> strname = First then Second then Third etc etc (example) 

> Eval("Update_" & strName & "()") 

> although I get no error, the function isn't called? 


From ryan.smethurst at bromley.gov.uk  Tue May  6 05:48:16 2003
From: ryan.smethurst at bromley.gov.uk (Smethurst, Ryan)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 11:48:16 +0100 
Subject: [AccessD] Eval not working?
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Gustav,

That's what confused me, but I see that the code I inherited had 'On Error
resume next' hidden away...I think that clears it up!

Thanks again for hte help.

RyanS

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Hi Ryan

> Error found.
> I was calling a sub and not a function...seems to work now.

But why didn't that throw an 2425 error?

/gustav


> But when I use: 

> strname = First then Second then Third etc etc (example) 

> Eval("Update_" & strName & "()") 

> although I get no error, the function isn't called? 

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue May  6 06:28:14 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 13:28:14 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Eval not working?
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Hi Ryan

Well, that explains.

For the records, one way of inhibiting such a line is to insert a line:

  On Error Goto 0

somewhere ahead of the lines you debug but after any other line with
"On Error ..." .

/gustav


> That's what confused me, but I see that the code I inherited had 'On Error
> resume next' hidden away...I think that clears it up!

>> Error found.
>> I was calling a sub and not a function...seems to work now.

> But why didn't that throw an 2425 error?

> /gustav


>> But when I use: 

>> strname = First then Second then Third etc etc (example) 

>> Eval("Update_" & strName & "()") 

>> although I get no error, the function isn't called? 


From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Tue May  6 07:26:06 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 07:26:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Wierd behaviour with DAO and Numbers in Excel
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F877F3@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Mark,

In Excel the datatype of each cell is independent of all of its
neighbors unless you explicitly set them.  In Access all data in a
column must be of the same datatype.  When you import data into Access
from Excel, the first nonNull datum in a column will determine the
datatype that Access will try to use for all the rest of the data in
that column.

Remember this difference between Access and Excel and you will avoid a
lot of data conversion problems.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Mark H [mailto:MarkH at bitgen.co.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday 2003 May 06 03:06
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Wierd behaviour with DAO and Numbers in Excel

Hi All...

Sorry this is a bit OT but I thought someone may have seen this before.

I am using Office XP and have a table in a spreadsheet that has a column
which contains either a single character or number. If I load the table
into a recordset using DAO etc. any record where there is a number in
that column comes back as null. If I format the cell as text and edit it
then its ok.

Any ideas on how to avoid this sort of behaviour? Or, more
importantly... Anything else like this worth watching out for?

Thanks in advance

Mark

From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Tue May  6 07:29:58 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 08:29:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B4B@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Found it thanks.  When I create a new message I don't see an option to choose which account is sending or a "send from" drop down though.  Shouldn't I or can I only read my mail on this account?

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:56 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


You must have the ability to add an internet account. If you are on a corp.
system using exchange they may not allow it.
You can add garbage as an "internet" account and then it should show up.
Just put in something like "test account" - "mail.test.com" for the incoming
and outgoing servers and me at test.com. save it and it should be enough to
fake it into showing you. You could use real info too of course :o)

Another trick you can do to share your info but not your setup is put the
.pst in a shared folder and use it from anywhere on your network. One or two
people can get away with that.

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:32 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
>
>
> I see (or rather I don't).  I don't have 2 accounts set up so I
> won't see it.  How to set up the second account?  Do I use Tools
> | Services and if so which do I choose to add a POP account?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:53 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
>
>
> In Outlook (97+) you should have a dropdown next to the send icon on the
> toolbar of a new message - but only if you have two accounts listed.
>
> In Outlook Express it is an extra row above the TO: field on a new email
> message.
>
> I have used Outlook to manage 6 different email accounts without
> problems. I
> don't use a standard sig on my messages though so each account has to pick
> from the list or type it in. I customized the toolbar so the sig
> icon is on
> it. I still think Outlook is clunky though. If you don't have to use it
> there are better emailers out there!
>
> John B.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:34 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > Pardon the interruption but is this true in O97 too?  I don't see
> > it anywhere.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jim DeMarco
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:24 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > Well in XP it's not quite that but basically you're dead right. It's not
> > a dropdown on the Send but an Accounts dropdown right next to it. How
> > have I managed to use this program for years and never notice that? Many
> > many thanks Keith.
> >
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:58
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > Next to the send button you should see "Accounts" with a drop
> > > down arrow, click on the arrow and select the account being
> > > sent from and you should now see a status message at the top
> > > saying "This message will be sent via XYZ"
> > >
> > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > klk at ksu.edu
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Andy Lacey
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:45 PM
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Keith
> > > > No I'm using full Outlook. So ok I've set up a 2nd account.
> > > > How, when creating email, do I select which account it's from?
> > > >
> > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:35
> > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Using Outlook for this just fine, have multiple email
> > > accounts, can
> > > > > select which account is being sent from by a drop down box.  Even
> > > > > sending mail addressed as coming from yahoo.com via outlook even
> > > > > though can't receive pop via free yahoo accounts (this is
> > > used for
> > > > > web pages trying to submit forms via email.)  So I'm not
> > > sure where
> > > > > the idea this can't be done via outlook is coming from,
> > > unless you
> > > > > are talking outlook express, and then yes, it has "issues".
> > > > >
> > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:38 AM
> > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but
> > > > recently my
> > > > > > wife is getting more into email and that's thrown up what
> > > > I think is
> > > > > > a limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to
> > > > both use the
> > > > > > same email client and both see all incoming mail
> > > > (personal stuff may
> > > > > > be to either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc,
> > > > but when we
> > > > > > send an email we want to be able to determine which of us is the
> > > > > > Sender and therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to
> > > > each have
> > > > > > our own signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't cater for
> > > > > > this at all well. I can set her own profile up but that
> > > separates
> > > > > > us too much. If a friend happens to have written to my email
> > > > > > address themn my wife won't see it because it'll be in
> > > my Inbox,
> > > > > > and vice-versa. My question is: can what I'm describing
> > > be done in
> > > > > > another client such as Eudora?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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From reische at mdh.org  Tue May  6 07:39:49 2003
From: reische at mdh.org (Reische, Brenda L.)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 07:39:49 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Notebook Processor
Message-ID: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B48C86DF6@NEWMAN_EXC>

If I were going into the real estate market, I would go with a tablet pc.
Besides the portability, the functionality in that job arena would be a huge
benefit.  She could have a gallery of all the listings to review with
clients, and take notes with the pen just like it was a notepad.  She could
also do rough sketches of the floorplan right on the tablet.  We use them
here at the hospital, and I really like them.  The model we settled on was
the Fujitsu Stylistic series - with a wireless keyboard.  Some other models
had a built-in digital camera, which would be great for creating
walk-throughs of her listings.  Another I would consider would be the
Toshiba convertible tablet pc.  Looks just like a laptop until you swivel
the head around and close it...

 

HTH,

Brenda Reische

Application Support Analyst

McDonough District Hospital

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:28 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Notebook Processor

 

I have to spec a notebook for a friend.  Any big difference between a
Celeron and a P4?  This is for pretty casual use - Word, Excel, web browsing
- not a power user, just getting her real estate license.

 

MTIA,

 

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

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From MarkH at bitgen.co.uk  Tue May  6 07:51:01 2003
From: MarkH at bitgen.co.uk (Mark H)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 13:51:01 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Wierd behaviour with DAO and Numbers in Excel
In-Reply-To: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F877F3@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <000501c313ce$25b6bef0$950d6bd5@netboxxp>

Thanks for that Charles...

Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Wortz,
Charles
Sent: 06 May 2003 13:26
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Wierd behaviour with DAO and Numbers in
Excel


Mark,

In Excel the datatype of each cell is independent of all of its
neighbors unless you explicitly set them.  In Access all data in a
column must be of the same datatype.  When you import data into Access
from Excel, the first nonNull datum in a column will determine the
datatype that Access will try to use for all the rest of the data in
that column.

Remember this difference between Access and Excel and you will avoid a
lot of data conversion problems.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
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-----Original Message-----
From: Mark H [mailto:MarkH at bitgen.co.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday 2003 May 06 03:06
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Wierd behaviour with DAO and Numbers in Excel

Hi All...

Sorry this is a bit OT but I thought someone may have seen this before.

I am using Office XP and have a table in a spreadsheet that has a column
which contains either a single character or number. If I load the table
into a recordset using DAO etc. any record where there is a number in
that column comes back as null. If I format the cell as text and edit it
then its ok.

Any ideas on how to avoid this sort of behaviour? Or, more
importantly... Anything else like this worth watching out for?

Thanks in advance

Mark
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue May  6 08:28:48 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 06:28:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Print Dialog Box
Message-ID: <008b01c313d3$6d613460$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Dear List:

I have a pop up form that displays error message.  There's a button on the form to print the form - just uses DoCmd.PrintOut.  But the client wants the user to be able to pick the printer through the print dialog box (so, for example, they could print to a Fax printer).

So I need to trigger the printer dialog box through code.  Does anyone know how?

Thanks and regards,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
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From JHewson at karta.com  Tue May  6 08:44:02 2003
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 08:44:02 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <353A32F9B331D411BB8F00A0C9FC503701294B77@NT04>

Gustav posted a solution for "Selecting Nth Max or Min from a table" a few
days ago.
In his solution, he used the in-line subquery.  His final comment was:
<Snip>
Those not familiar with the strange [..]. syntax may look up the
archives for "SQL in-line subquery"
<Snip>
Since I was (am) unfamiliar with this concept, I did look it up.
I have a few questions.
1.  Does this method run faster than a nested query?
2.  What are the pitfalls?
3.  What are the benefits?

Any information or insight on this topic would be great.
Thanks in advance to all responders.
Jim

From bob at renaissancesiding.com  Tue May  6 08:50:44 2003
From: bob at renaissancesiding.com (Bob Gajewski)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 09:50:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Print Dialog Box
Message-ID: <01C313B4.F70D7080.bob@renaissancesiding.com>

Rocky

This is the code that I use to ask the user if they want to override the 
print options, then allow them (if YES), then close the report:

=============================================

    'Print completed job order
        Dim strReportName As String
            strReportName = "rptJobOrder"
        If vbNo = MsgBox("Do you want to override the print options?", _
	vbYesNo + vbQuestion, "Job Order Print Options Override") Then
            DoCmd.OpenReport strReportName, acNormal
        Else
            DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdPrint
        End If
        DoCmd.Close acReport, strReportName

=============================================

Regards,
Bob Gajewski


On Tuesday, May 06, 2003 09:29 AM, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
[SMTP:bchacc at san.rr.com] wrote:
> Dear List:
>
> I have a pop up form that displays error message.  There's a button on 
the form to print the form - just uses DoCmd.PrintOut.  But the client 
wants the user to be able to pick the printer through the print dialog box 
(so, for example, they could print to a Fax printer)
>
> So I need to trigger the printer dialog box through code.  Does anyone 
know how?
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
>  << File: ATT00026.htm >>  << File: ATT00027.txt >> 


From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue May  6 09:16:27 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 07:16:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Print Dialog Box
References: <01C313B4.F70D7080.bob@renaissancesiding.com>
Message-ID: <00be01c313da$158127d0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Bob:

Thanks for the quick reply.  "DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdPrint"  was exactly what
I needed.


Best,

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Gajewski" <bob at renaissancesiding.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 6:50 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Print Dialog Box


> Rocky
>
> This is the code that I use to ask the user if they want to override the
> print options, then allow them (if YES), then close the report:
>
> =============================================
>
>     'Print completed job order
>         Dim strReportName As String
>             strReportName = "rptJobOrder"
>         If vbNo = MsgBox("Do you want to override the print options?", _
> vbYesNo + vbQuestion, "Job Order Print Options Override") Then
>             DoCmd.OpenReport strReportName, acNormal
>         Else
>             DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdPrint
>         End If
>         DoCmd.Close acReport, strReportName
>
> =============================================
>
> Regards,
> Bob Gajewski
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 06, 2003 09:29 AM, Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> [SMTP:bchacc at san.rr.com] wrote:
> > Dear List:
> >
> > I have a pop up form that displays error message.  There's a button on
> the form to print the form - just uses DoCmd.PrintOut.  But the client
> wants the user to be able to pick the printer through the print dialog box
> (so, for example, they could print to a Fax printer)
> >
> > So I need to trigger the printer dialog box through code.  Does anyone
> know how?
> >
> > Thanks and regards,
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
> >  << File: ATT00026.htm >>  << File: ATT00027.txt >>
>
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From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Tue May  6 09:24:23 2003
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 10:24:23 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] 3 subreports in detail section - show only one?
Message-ID: <806536912C472E4A9D6515DF2E57261E0C5A21@mercury.tnco-inc.com>

Hello All,

(Access 2000)

I have a report that has 3 subreports in it detail section. Each record in
the data source of my report only links up to one of the subreports. The
subreport that it links up to varies from record to record. I know which
subreport it is linked up to via a field in my main report data source
called 'machine'.

Is it possible to hide 2 of the 3 subreports and show the 3rd for each
detail section? Meaning that on a given report that has 3 records in the
main report would have a detail section showing: subreport1 for record1 and
hide subreport2 and subreport3, show subreport3 for record2 and hide
subreport1 and subreport2, ...? (there could be any combination here)

I tried putting this code into the detail_format section:

Select Case Me.[Machine]
    Case 1, 2, 5, 6, 7, 8
        Me.tblBarrel_subreport.Form.Visible = True
        Me.tblSandBlast_subreport.Form.Visible = False
        Me.tblSweco_subreport.Form.Visible = False
    Case 3, 4
        Me.tblBarrel_subreport.Form.Visible = False
        Me.tblSandBlast_subreport.Form.Visible = False
        Me.tblSweco_subreport.Form.Visible = True
    Case 9, 10, 11, 12, 13
        Me.tblBarrel_subreport.Form.Visible = False
        Me.tblSandBlast_subreport.Form.Visible = True
        Me.tblSweco_subreport.Form.Visible = False
    Case Else
        MsgBox "Machine not recognized!"
        DoCmd.Close acReport, Me.Name
End Select


As I traced through the code the report displays a blank preview as soon as
it hits the first *.Visible line and the causes Access to crash.

Thanks!

Joe Rojas
jrojas at tnco-inc.com





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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue May  6 09:46:53 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 16:46:53 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] 3 subreports in detail section - show only one?
In-Reply-To: <806536912C472E4A9D6515DF2E57261E0C5A21@mercury.tnco-inc.com>
References: <806536912C472E4A9D6515DF2E57261E0C5A21@mercury.tnco-inc.com>
Message-ID: <9228662324.20030506164653@cactus.dk>

Hi Joe

Wouldn't it be the controls and not the subforms to hide:

>         Me.tblBarrel_subreport.Visible = True
>         Me.tblSandBlast_subreport.Visible = False
>         Me.tblSweco_subreport.Visible = False

/gustav


> Hello All,

> (Access 2000)

> I have a report that has 3 subreports in it detail section. Each record in
> the data source of my report only links up to one of the subreports. The
> subreport that it links up to varies from record to record. I know which
> subreport it is linked up to via a field in my main report data source
> called 'machine'.

> Is it possible to hide 2 of the 3 subreports and show the 3rd for each
> detail section? Meaning that on a given report that has 3 records in the
> main report would have a detail section showing: subreport1 for record1 and
> hide subreport2 and subreport3, show subreport3 for record2 and hide
> subreport1 and subreport2, ...? (there could be any combination here)

> I tried putting this code into the detail_format section:

> Select Case Me.[Machine]
>     Case 1, 2, 5, 6, 7, 8
>         Me.tblBarrel_subreport.Form.Visible = True
>         Me.tblSandBlast_subreport.Form.Visible = False
>         Me.tblSweco_subreport.Form.Visible = False
>     Case 3, 4
>         Me.tblBarrel_subreport.Form.Visible = False
>         Me.tblSandBlast_subreport.Form.Visible = False
>         Me.tblSweco_subreport.Form.Visible = True
>     Case 9, 10, 11, 12, 13
>         Me.tblBarrel_subreport.Form.Visible = False
>         Me.tblSandBlast_subreport.Form.Visible = True
>         Me.tblSweco_subreport.Form.Visible = False
>     Case Else
>         MsgBox "Machine not recognized!"
>         DoCmd.Close acReport, Me.Name
> End Select


> As I traced through the code the report displays a blank preview as soon as
> it hits the first *.Visible line and the causes Access to crash.

> Thanks!

> Joe Rojas
> jrojas at tnco-inc.com


From papparuff at attbi.com  Tue May  6 09:47:14 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 07:47:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] 3 subreports in detail section - show only one?
In-Reply-To: <806536912C472E4A9D6515DF2E57261E0C5A21@mercury.tnco-inc.com>
Message-ID: <00c501c313de$626835d0$6401a8c0@papparuff>

This should work:

tblBarrel_subreport.Visible = False
tblSandBlast_subreport.Visible = False
tblSweco_subreport.Visible = False

Select Case Me.[Machine]
    Case 1, 2, 5, 6, 7, 8
        tblBarrel_subreport.Visible = True
    Case 3, 4
        tblSweco_subreport.Visible = True
    Case 9, 10, 11, 12, 13
        tblSandBlast_subreport.Visible = True
    Case Else
        MsgBox "Machine not recognized!"
        DoCmd.Close acReport, Me.Name
End Select


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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:24 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] 3 subreports in detail section - show only one?


Hello All,

(Access 2000)

I have a report that has 3 subreports in it detail section. Each record in
the data source of my report only links up to one of the subreports. The
subreport that it links up to varies from record to record. I know which
subreport it is linked up to via a field in my main report data source
called 'machine'.

Is it possible to hide 2 of the 3 subreports and show the 3rd for each
detail section? Meaning that on a given report that has 3 records in the
main report would have a detail section showing: subreport1 for record1 and
hide subreport2 and subreport3, show subreport3 for record2 and hide
subreport1 and subreport2, ...? (there could be any combination here)

I tried putting this code into the detail_format section:

Select Case Me.[Machine]
    Case 1, 2, 5, 6, 7, 8
        Me.tblBarrel_subreport.Form.Visible = True
        Me.tblSandBlast_subreport.Form.Visible = False
        Me.tblSweco_subreport.Form.Visible = False
    Case 3, 4
        Me.tblBarrel_subreport.Form.Visible = False
        Me.tblSandBlast_subreport.Form.Visible = False
        Me.tblSweco_subreport.Form.Visible = True
    Case 9, 10, 11, 12, 13
        Me.tblBarrel_subreport.Form.Visible = False
        Me.tblSandBlast_subreport.Form.Visible = True
        Me.tblSweco_subreport.Form.Visible = False
    Case Else
        MsgBox "Machine not recognized!"
        DoCmd.Close acReport, Me.Name
End Select


As I traced through the code the report displays a blank preview as soon as
it hits the first *.Visible line and the causes Access to crash.

Thanks!

Joe Rojas
jrojas at tnco-inc.com





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From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Tue May  6 10:03:16 2003
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 11:03:16 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] 3 subreports in detail section - show only one?
Message-ID: <806536912C472E4A9D6515DF2E57261E0C5A22@mercury.tnco-inc.com>

Yep, that was it.

Thank you!

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:47 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] 3 subreports in detail section - show only one?

Hi Joe

Wouldn't it be the controls and not the subforms to hide:

>         Me.tblBarrel_subreport.Visible = True
>         Me.tblSandBlast_subreport.Visible = False
>         Me.tblSweco_subreport.Visible = False

/gustav


> Hello All,

> (Access 2000)

> I have a report that has 3 subreports in it detail section. Each record in
> the data source of my report only links up to one of the subreports. The
> subreport that it links up to varies from record to record. I know which
> subreport it is linked up to via a field in my main report data source
> called 'machine'.

> Is it possible to hide 2 of the 3 subreports and show the 3rd for each
> detail section? Meaning that on a given report that has 3 records in the
> main report would have a detail section showing: subreport1 for record1
and
> hide subreport2 and subreport3, show subreport3 for record2 and hide
> subreport1 and subreport2, ...? (there could be any combination here)

> I tried putting this code into the detail_format section:

> Select Case Me.[Machine]
>     Case 1, 2, 5, 6, 7, 8
>         Me.tblBarrel_subreport.Form.Visible = True
>         Me.tblSandBlast_subreport.Form.Visible = False
>         Me.tblSweco_subreport.Form.Visible = False
>     Case 3, 4
>         Me.tblBarrel_subreport.Form.Visible = False
>         Me.tblSandBlast_subreport.Form.Visible = False
>         Me.tblSweco_subreport.Form.Visible = True
>     Case 9, 10, 11, 12, 13
>         Me.tblBarrel_subreport.Form.Visible = False
>         Me.tblSandBlast_subreport.Form.Visible = True
>         Me.tblSweco_subreport.Form.Visible = False
>     Case Else
>         MsgBox "Machine not recognized!"
>         DoCmd.Close acReport, Me.Name
> End Select


> As I traced through the code the report displays a blank preview as soon
as
> it hits the first *.Visible line and the causes Access to crash.

> Thanks!

> Joe Rojas
> jrojas at tnco-inc.com

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue May  6 10:12:14 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 17:12:14 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
In-Reply-To: <353A32F9B331D411BB8F00A0C9FC503701294B77@NT04>
References: <353A32F9B331D411BB8F00A0C9FC503701294B77@NT04>
Message-ID: <4630183171.20030506171214@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

> <Snip>
> Those not familiar with the strange [..]. syntax may look up the
> archives for "SQL in-line subquery"
> <Snip>

> Since I was (am) unfamiliar with this concept, I did look it up.
> I have a few questions.

> 1.  Does this method run faster than a nested query?

A saved and compiled nested query may run faster. Haven't done any
testing though.

> 2.  What are the pitfalls?

One is that no documentation is available as far as I know.

> 3.  What are the benefits?

That you can avoid temporary tables or subqueries. All code is in one
query which is an advantage if you build it from VBA code.

/gustav


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue May  6 10:28:38 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 08:28:38 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F01@infoserver01.infostat.local>

You can customize the toolbar to show the Accounts dropdown or you can
get to it through the menus.  When you have multiple accounts set up,
all your mail from all accounts will come into the same inbox.  You send
from the default account unless you have specified a different one.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 4:30 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


Found it thanks.  When I create a new message I don't see an option to
choose which account is sending or a "send from" drop down though.
Shouldn't I or can I only read my mail on this account?

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:56 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


You must have the ability to add an internet account. If you are on a
corp. system using exchange they may not allow it. You can add garbage
as an "internet" account and then it should show up. Just put in
something like "test account" - "mail.test.com" for the incoming and
outgoing servers and me at test.com. save it and it should be enough to
fake it into showing you. You could use real info too of course :o)

Another trick you can do to share your info but not your setup is put
the .pst in a shared folder and use it from anywhere on your network.
One or two people can get away with that.

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:32 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
>
>
> I see (or rather I don't).  I don't have 2 accounts set up so I won't 
> see it.  How to set up the second account?  Do I use Tools
> | Services and if so which do I choose to add a POP account?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:53 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
>
>
> In Outlook (97+) you should have a dropdown next to the send icon on 
> the toolbar of a new message - but only if you have two accounts 
> listed.
>
> In Outlook Express it is an extra row above the TO: field on a new 
> email message.
>
> I have used Outlook to manage 6 different email accounts without 
> problems. I don't use a standard sig on my messages though so each 
> account has to pick from the list or type it in. I customized the 
> toolbar so the sig icon is on
> it. I still think Outlook is clunky though. If you don't have to use
it
> there are better emailers out there!
>
> John B.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim 
> > DeMarco
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:34 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > Pardon the interruption but is this true in O97 too?  I don't see it

> > anywhere.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jim DeMarco
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:24 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > Well in XP it's not quite that but basically you're dead right. It's

> > not a dropdown on the Send but an Accounts dropdown right next to 
> > it. How have I managed to use this program for years and never 
> > notice that? Many many thanks Keith.
> >
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Keith 
> > > L. Kovala
> > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:58
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > Next to the send button you should see "Accounts" with a drop down

> > > arrow, click on the arrow and select the account being sent from 
> > > and you should now see a status message at the top saying "This 
> > > message will be sent via XYZ"
> > >
> > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > klk at ksu.edu
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Andy Lacey
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:45 PM
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Keith
> > > > No I'm using full Outlook. So ok I've set up a 2nd account. How,

> > > > when creating email, do I select which account it's from?
> > > >
> > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:35
> > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Using Outlook for this just fine, have multiple email
> > > accounts, can
> > > > > select which account is being sent from by a drop down box.  
> > > > > Even sending mail addressed as coming from yahoo.com via 
> > > > > outlook even though can't receive pop via free yahoo accounts 
> > > > > (this is
> > > used for
> > > > > web pages trying to submit forms via email.)  So I'm not
> > > sure where
> > > > > the idea this can't be done via outlook is coming from,
> > > unless you
> > > > > are talking outlook express, and then yes, it has "issues".
> > > > >
> > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:38 AM
> > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but
> > > > recently my
> > > > > > wife is getting more into email and that's thrown up what
> > > > I think is
> > > > > > a limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to
> > > > both use the
> > > > > > same email client and both see all incoming mail
> > > > (personal stuff may
> > > > > > be to either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc,
> > > > but when we
> > > > > > send an email we want to be able to determine which of us is

> > > > > > the Sender and therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want 
> > > > > > to
> > > > each have
> > > > > > our own signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't cater 
> > > > > > for this at all well. I can set her own profile up but that
> > > separates
> > > > > > us too much. If a friend happens to have written to my email

> > > > > > address themn my wife won't see it because it'll be in
> > > my Inbox,
> > > > > > and vice-versa. My question is: can what I'm describing
> > > be done in
> > > > > > another client such as Eudora?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > > >
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue May  6 10:41:36 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 08:41:36 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Notebook Processor
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F03@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I've been buying "no name" laptops for years and much prefer them to the
name brands.  Most of them are the equivalent of the Dells and Gateways.
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
	Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 7:55 PM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Notebook Processor
	
	
	By all means go with a Celeron or AMD CPU for normal to light
work loads. Saves a lot of cash!
	 
	You migth want to consider the weigh as the overall
consideration if she has to carry it much, otherwise connectivity is the
issue I look at. I have a USB hub on mine and don't use anything but the
processor when in my office. On the road its nice to not have a soar
shoulder from long hauls in the airport! More and more I'm using my
Pocket PC for everything but take along work anyway. About the only I
can't do on it is programming and typing Word documents (time for one of
those keyboard thingies I guess). For real estate maybe you might want
to look at one of those tablet jobs?
	 
	If she doesn't want to spend much you can get great deals on
reconditioned laptops. I've gotten those for people that don't want to
spend much and only do light duty with them like email and word, etc.
you can also get no-name laptops now. (Most of the big guys don't make
their own laptops anyway.)
	 
	HTH
	JB

		-----Original Message-----
		From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
		Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:28 PM
		To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
		Subject: [AccessD] OT: Notebook Processor
		
		
		I have to spec a notebook for a friend.  Any big
difference between a Celeron and a P4?  This is for pretty casual use -
Word, Excel, web browsing - not a power user, just getting her real
estate license.
		 
		MTIA,
		 
		Rocky Smolin
		Beach Access Software

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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue May  6 10:57:41 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 10:57:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] Crosstab question
In-Reply-To: <1365244381.20030306094816@cactus.dk>
References: <01C2D1E6.28E7AC30.bob@renaissancesiding.com>
        <57717.199.67.140.20.1046894317.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>
        <1365244381.20030306094816@cactus.dk>
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Hey guys, I am having trouble writing a crosstab query, what I have now, is

FILTER  Mo1  Mo2  Mo3  Mo4-6  Mo7-12 Yr2
aaa      1    2    2     22     11    2
bbb      1    4    4     33     33    3
ccc      1    1    1     11     11    1
ddd      2    2    2      2      2    2   etc.

I need it in this format --

DATE aaa bbb ccc
Mo1   1   1   1
Mo2   2   4   1
Mo3

I am using crosstab querry, in row heading I put FILTER, what do I put in
Column heading ?



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From jscott at mchsi.com  Tue May  6 11:02:05 2003
From: jscott at mchsi.com (jscott at mchsi.com)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 16:02:05 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Close current database
Message-ID: <200305061602.h46G26g10745@databaseadvisors.com>

OK - thought it worked perfectly. Thanks to everyone for all the great 
examples! My problem is this - when I use the .closecurrentdb method it closes 
the currentdb and doesn't continue executing the code - although it seems that 
it should according to the documentation ... 

If I use the code below it opens the second db fine but the problem is that the 
second db is copying a file over the calling db then closing itself and 
reopening the calling db so the QUIT occurs after the first has been opened.

I know it's confusing. I've got all the rest to work except this one little 
thing!

Anyone help??????

> This works perfectly! Thank you so much! I would have never stumbled across 
> that myself. :)
> 
> --
> 
> Jeanine 
> > On 2 May 2003 at 7:29, Jeanine wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > I just can't get the darn thing to close itself and open another db.
> > > 
> > 
> > One way, of the top of my head would be:
> > 
> > Public Declare Function ShellExecute Lib "shell32.dll" Alias _
> > "ShellExecuteA" (ByVal hwnd As Long, ByVal lpOperation As String, _
> > ByVal lpFile As String, ByVal lpParameters As String, ByVal _
> > lpDirectory As String, ByVal nShowCmd As Long) As Long _
> > 
> > Sub OpenTheOtherOne()
> > 	ShellExecute(0,"Open","C:\Full\Path\To\YourSecondApp.mdb"","","",1)
> > 	DoCmd.Quit
> > End Sub
> > 
> > 
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> > Support.
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue May  6 11:04:32 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 11:04:32 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B04@main2.marlow.com>

dim rs as recordset
rs.AddNew
rs.Field(1).value="Test"
rs.Update
msgbox rs.Field(0).value
rs.close


As soon as you update the new record, the Autonumber field is populated.
(in my sample code above, the ID/AN is field 0).

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:53 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


In this thread a couple of months ago there was a solution offered to the
problem of determining the value of an ID Autonumber of a record just added.


It was stunning in its simplicity, so of course I didn't write it down  ;-( 

Can anyone help?

TIA

Stephen Bond 
Otatara, New Zealand 
( tel 03 213 1256   fax 03 213 0123 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue May  6 11:09:18 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 11:09:18 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B05@main2.marlow.com>

Actually, 'in-line' queries or subqueries are described in Access 97's help
files.  Just look up SQL Subqueries, or just subqueries.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:12 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


Hi Jim

> <Snip>
> Those not familiar with the strange [..]. syntax may look up the
> archives for "SQL in-line subquery"
> <Snip>

> Since I was (am) unfamiliar with this concept, I did look it up.
> I have a few questions.

> 1.  Does this method run faster than a nested query?

A saved and compiled nested query may run faster. Haven't done any
testing though.

> 2.  What are the pitfalls?

One is that no documentation is available as far as I know.

> 3.  What are the benefits?

That you can avoid temporary tables or subqueries. All code is in one
query which is an advantage if you build it from VBA code.

/gustav

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From slee at asu.edu  Tue May  6 11:08:25 2003
From: slee at asu.edu (S Lee)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 09:08:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@
Message-ID: <A7AF1AE70A8C124593A1AC831EFE46FE0C1D74@ex3.asurite.ad.asu.edu>

There is also the 

C:\Documents and Settings\<your user name>\Application
Data\Microsoft\Outlook\outcmd.dat

file that has the menu bar and other Outlook window settings.


-----Original Message-----
From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 7:34 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


Your .pst file and Rules file are located in the same directory
C:\Documents and Settings\UserName\Application Data\Microsoft\Outlook

The Email file is called outlook.pst
The Rules file is called Microsoft Outlook Internet Settings.RWZ

You can copy the .pst from your good computer to the new one and all your
emails will be there.

Copying the Rules is a bit different in that you must IMPORT your rules.
>From the top line menu select Tools > Rules Wizard.  Select the Options
button in the lower right corner of the dialog form the pops up.  An Options
dialog form will be displayed.  Press the Import Rules and you will be able
to select the old .rwz file to import.  Once you have imported the rules,
you are going to have to recheck them all...you'll see what I mean.



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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 6:57 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ^%$&^%(*&)(*&)%$&#$^%$@


Well, today my NTLDR wouldn't!  Or wasn't, depending on who you talked to!

I never did get it back, but after 4 hours of trying I had succeeded in
getting a floppy to boot (I had a weird boot config as well) and then
succeeded in getting Office apps to run windows setup every time they
loaded, trashed IE and so forth and so on.

So... I went down, bought a new 120mb hard disk, and started over.  I did
this of course so that I didn't overwrite anything (else) in the process of
getting windows working again.  Installed Win2kSP.  Of course no network,
video, sound and most critically drivers for the Promise100 IDE 3/4 where my
old disks now reside.  More hours searching for CDs and floppies for those
things, searching the internet (on my other computer - thank GOD for "the
other computer").

Of course I then spent several hours applying service packs, reloading O2K
(only, so far), Norton utilities, NAV, and am still in the process of
re-installing everything I can think of that I used to have.  The weird
thing is that I have my outlook.pst, but that apparently doesn't have the
personalized settings in it for things like rules, signature, etc.

Anyway, still loading stuff!

WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT
A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A
PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!WHAT A PITA!

My question to you kind folks, where the (*&%)%$#!@ are rules / sig and the
like kept for Outlook?

It seems like you would just copy the entire jcolby user and be back with
all that kind of stuff.  The problem of course is that there is stuff in
there for programs that don't exist (at least in the same place) etc.

Sigh!

John W. Colby


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue May  6 11:11:02 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 11:11:02 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Notebook Processor
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B06@main2.marlow.com>

Couldn't agree more.  In fact, the best idea is to contact a local
distributor/computer shop, and find out what they recommend.  Ideally, you
want a modular laptop, one that if something goes wrong, the
distributor/shop can just replace on part and their done.  Nothing is worse
then having your machine gone for weeks to a manufacturer.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:42 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Notebook Processor


I've been buying "no name" laptops for years and much prefer them to the
name brands.  Most of them are the equivalent of the Dells and Gateways.
 
Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 7:55 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Notebook Processor


By all means go with a Celeron or AMD CPU for normal to light work loads.
Saves a lot of cash!
 
You migth want to consider the weigh as the overall consideration if she has
to carry it much, otherwise connectivity is the issue I look at. I have a
USB hub on mine and don't use anything but the processor when in my office.
On the road its nice to not have a soar shoulder from long hauls in the
airport! More and more I'm using my Pocket PC for everything but take along
work anyway. About the only I can't do on it is programming and typing Word
documents (time for one of those keyboard thingies I guess). For real estate
maybe you might want to look at one of those tablet jobs?
 
If she doesn't want to spend much you can get great deals on reconditioned
laptops. I've gotten those for people that don't want to spend much and only
do light duty with them like email and word, etc. you can also get no-name
laptops now. (Most of the big guys don't make their own laptops anyway.)
 
HTH
JB

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:28 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Notebook Processor


I have to spec a notebook for a friend.  Any big difference between a
Celeron and a P4?  This is for pretty casual use - Word, Excel, web browsing
- not a power user, just getting her real estate license.
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue May  6 11:18:06 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 09:18:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Notebook Processor
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F06@infoserver01.infostat.local>

You've got that exactly right, Drew!  That was why I started buying
no-names in the first place.  I can call my distributor and say, "how
fast can you get me a ...?", and take it to his place and stand over him
while he fixes/upgrades/replaces. <VBG>
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
	Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 8:11 AM
	To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Notebook Processor
	
	
	Couldn't agree more.  In fact, the best idea is to contact a
local distributor/computer shop, and find out what they recommend.
Ideally, you want a modular laptop, one that if something goes wrong,
the distributor/shop can just replace on part and their done.  Nothing
is worse then having your machine gone for weeks to a manufacturer.
	 
	Drew

		-----Original Message-----
		From: Charlotte Foust
[mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
		Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:42 AM
		To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
		Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Notebook Processor
		
		
		I've been buying "no name" laptops for years and much
prefer them to the name brands.  Most of them are the equivalent of the
Dells and Gateways.
		 
		Charlotte Foust

			-----Original Message-----
			From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
			Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 7:55 PM
			To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
			Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Notebook Processor
			
			
			By all means go with a Celeron or AMD CPU for
normal to light work loads. Saves a lot of cash!
			 
			You migth want to consider the weigh as the
overall consideration if she has to carry it much, otherwise
connectivity is the issue I look at. I have a USB hub on mine and don't
use anything but the processor when in my office. On the road its nice
to not have a soar shoulder from long hauls in the airport! More and
more I'm using my Pocket PC for everything but take along work anyway.
About the only I can't do on it is programming and typing Word documents
(time for one of those keyboard thingies I guess). For real estate maybe
you might want to look at one of those tablet jobs?
			 
			If she doesn't want to spend much you can get
great deals on reconditioned laptops. I've gotten those for people that
don't want to spend much and only do light duty with them like email and
word, etc. you can also get no-name laptops now. (Most of the big guys
don't make their own laptops anyway.)
			 
			HTH
			JB

				-----Original Message-----
				From:
accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
				Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:28 PM
				To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
				Subject: [AccessD] OT: Notebook
Processor
				
				
				I have to spec a notebook for a friend.
Any big difference between a Celeron and a P4?  This is for pretty
casual use - Word, Excel, web browsing - not a power user, just getting
her real estate license.
				 
				MTIA,
				 
				Rocky Smolin
				Beach Access Software

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue May  6 11:19:13 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 09:19:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F07@infoserver01.infostat.local>

As I recall, the help files did NOT include anything on the [...]
syntax.  I stumbled over that myself in 97 but never found anything in
the help files except on regular subqueries.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 8:09 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


Actually, 'in-line' queries or subqueries are described in Access 97's
help files.  Just look up SQL Subqueries, or just subqueries.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:12 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


Hi Jim

> <Snip>
> Those not familiar with the strange [..]. syntax may look up the 
> archives for "SQL in-line subquery" <Snip>

> Since I was (am) unfamiliar with this concept, I did look it up. I 
> have a few questions.

> 1.  Does this method run faster than a nested query?

A saved and compiled nested query may run faster. Haven't done any
testing though.

> 2.  What are the pitfalls?

One is that no documentation is available as far as I know.

> 3.  What are the benefits?

That you can avoid temporary tables or subqueries. All code is in one
query which is an advantage if you build it from VBA code.

/gustav

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From artful at rogers.com  Tue May  6 11:28:59 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 12:28:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - job
In-Reply-To: <003b01c31380$11caf080$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>
Message-ID: <028501c313ec$991c8aa0$8e01a8c0@Rock>

In that case, I am in need of some work. I have two part-time clients and a
couple of net-zine writing gigs but Income is still less than Outgo :-)

Advantages:
A) ADP+SQL expertise.
B) Very experienced with large (500 tables +) databases.
C) My rates are in CDN $.
D) Given SQL access and an IP to the database plus a Terminal Services
session, you'd think I was actually on the premises (unless you want to go
for sushi, in which we'd have to go to separate restaurants).
E) Although many people think of it as grunt work, I actually quite like
diving into Access code and figuring out a sproc that will replace many
lines with two.
F) I use VSS a lot, so versioning or team participation are non-issues.
G) I use CodeLib a lot, and have dozens of canned subs and funcs ready to
drop into a project.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: May 5, 2003 11:32 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - job


...the AccessD list netiquette rules posted at www.databaseadvisors.com
specifically state that job postings, either wants or needs, are welcome so
long as the same job is not posted more than once per week. :)

William Hindman


From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue May  6 11:30:27 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 11:30:27 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B07@main2.marlow.com>

What's the [...] syntax?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:19 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


As I recall, the help files did NOT include anything on the [...]
syntax.  I stumbled over that myself in 97 but never found anything in
the help files except on regular subqueries.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 8:09 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


Actually, 'in-line' queries or subqueries are described in Access 97's
help files.  Just look up SQL Subqueries, or just subqueries.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:12 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


Hi Jim

> <Snip>
> Those not familiar with the strange [..]. syntax may look up the 
> archives for "SQL in-line subquery" <Snip>

> Since I was (am) unfamiliar with this concept, I did look it up. I 
> have a few questions.

> 1.  Does this method run faster than a nested query?

A saved and compiled nested query may run faster. Haven't done any
testing though.

> 2.  What are the pitfalls?

One is that no documentation is available as far as I know.

> 3.  What are the benefits?

That you can avoid temporary tables or subqueries. All code is in one
query which is an advantage if you build it from VBA code.

/gustav

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From artful at rogers.com  Tue May  6 11:30:56 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 12:30:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
In-Reply-To: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A013@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>
Message-ID: <028601c313ec$dec88a40$8e01a8c0@Rock>

I don't think that works in MDBs, which I assume Stephen meant, else he
would have posted on the SQL list.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Haslett, Andrew
Sent: May 6, 2003 12:09 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


SELECT @@IDENTITY

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz]
Sent: Tuesday, 6 May 2003 12:23 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


In this thread a couple of months ago there was a solution offered to the
problem of determining the value of an ID Autonumber of a record just added.


It was stunning in its simplicity, so of course I didn't write it down  ;-( 

Can anyone help?

TIA

Stephen Bond 
Otatara, New Zealand 
( tel 03 213 1256   fax 03 213 0123 
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From artful at rogers.com  Tue May  6 11:34:44 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 12:34:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Table links using MySQL
In-Reply-To: <010601c313a7$3a2d9d80$aa4114ca@Notebook>
Message-ID: <029101c313ed$66ba7b20$8e01a8c0@Rock>

A little more info is required, Tracy. Where does the MySQL db live? On a
linux box or Windoze? If the latter, is it a server that you have to
anticipate will be down? Or is your problem that somebody might put the db
on another server? As for me, given my druthers, since I'm using MySQL
anyway I'd put it on a linux box and hook in from there (since linux hardly
ever needs to be restarted).
 
Arthur
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tracy
Sent: May 6, 2003 4:12 AM
To: Access List
Subject: [AccessD] Table links using MySQL



Hi Listers
Thought I'd ask:
If the MyODBC is set up correctly on the PC with the backend MySQL data
file, is there a need to test the connection during the opening of the
Access Frontend ?
Or would the MySQL always be accessable ?
 
If the MySQL data file isn't available - how do you go about relinking the
files to the MySQL data file ?
 
Cheers Tracy

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue May  6 11:36:27 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 18:36:27 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F07@infoserver01.infostat.local>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F07@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <15835236217.20030506183627@cactus.dk>

Hi Drew

Neither did I.

/gustav


> As I recall, the help files did NOT include anything on the [...]
> syntax.  I stumbled over that myself in 97 but never found anything in
> the help files except on regular subqueries.

> Charlotte Foust


From john at winhaven.net  Tue May  6 12:17:21 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 12:17:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B4B@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIKEANEHAA.john@winhaven.net>

Jim,
Sorry, I didn't think of this until this morning I'm thinking Office 97 but
am refferring to Outlook 98 (I don't know anyone who continued using 97 once
98 was released). Are you using 97 or 98?

With 98 you choose File | Send Using or as Charlotte mentioned, you have to
customize the menu bar.

HTH JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:30 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
>
>
> Found it thanks.  When I create a new message I don't see an
> option to choose which account is sending or a "send from" drop
> down though.  Shouldn't I or can I only read my mail on this account?
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:56 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
>
>
> You must have the ability to add an internet account. If you are
> on a corp.
> system using exchange they may not allow it.
> You can add garbage as an "internet" account and then it should show up.
> Just put in something like "test account" - "mail.test.com" for
> the incoming
> and outgoing servers and me at test.com. save it and it should be enough to
> fake it into showing you. You could use real info too of course :o)
>
> Another trick you can do to share your info but not your setup is put the
> .pst in a shared folder and use it from anywhere on your network.
> One or two
> people can get away with that.
>
> JB
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:32 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > I see (or rather I don't).  I don't have 2 accounts set up so I
> > won't see it.  How to set up the second account?  Do I use Tools
> > | Services and if so which do I choose to add a POP account?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jim DeMarco
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:53 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > In Outlook (97+) you should have a dropdown next to the send icon on the
> > toolbar of a new message - but only if you have two accounts listed.
> >
> > In Outlook Express it is an extra row above the TO: field on a new email
> > message.
> >
> > I have used Outlook to manage 6 different email accounts without
> > problems. I
> > don't use a standard sig on my messages though so each account
> has to pick
> > from the list or type it in. I customized the toolbar so the sig
> > icon is on
> > it. I still think Outlook is clunky though. If you don't have to use it
> > there are better emailers out there!
> >
> > John B.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:34 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > Pardon the interruption but is this true in O97 too?  I don't see
> > > it anywhere.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Jim DeMarco
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:24 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > Well in XP it's not quite that but basically you're dead
> right. It's not
> > > a dropdown on the Send but an Accounts dropdown right next to it. How
> > > have I managed to use this program for years and never notice
> that? Many
> > > many thanks Keith.
> > >
> > > Andy Lacey
> > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:58
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Next to the send button you should see "Accounts" with a drop
> > > > down arrow, click on the arrow and select the account being
> > > > sent from and you should now see a status message at the top
> > > > saying "This message will be sent via XYZ"
> > > >
> > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > klk at ksu.edu
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:45 PM
> > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Keith
> > > > > No I'm using full Outlook. So ok I've set up a 2nd account.
> > > > > How, when creating email, do I select which account it's from?
> > > > >
> > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:35
> > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Using Outlook for this just fine, have multiple email
> > > > accounts, can
> > > > > > select which account is being sent from by a drop down
> box.  Even
> > > > > > sending mail addressed as coming from yahoo.com via outlook even
> > > > > > though can't receive pop via free yahoo accounts (this is
> > > > used for
> > > > > > web pages trying to submit forms via email.)  So I'm not
> > > > sure where
> > > > > > the idea this can't be done via outlook is coming from,
> > > > unless you
> > > > > > are talking outlook express, and then yes, it has "issues".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:38 AM
> > > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but
> > > > > recently my
> > > > > > > wife is getting more into email and that's thrown up what
> > > > > I think is
> > > > > > > a limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to
> > > > > both use the
> > > > > > > same email client and both see all incoming mail
> > > > > (personal stuff may
> > > > > > > be to either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc,
> > > > > but when we
> > > > > > > send an email we want to be able to determine which
> of us is the
> > > > > > > Sender and therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to
> > > > > each have
> > > > > > > our own signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't
> cater for
> > > > > > > this at all well. I can set her own profile up but that
> > > > separates
> > > > > > > us too much. If a friend happens to have written to my email
> > > > > > > address themn my wife won't see it because it'll be in
> > > > my Inbox,
> > > > > > > and vice-versa. My question is: can what I'm describing
> > > > be done in
> > > > > > > another client such as Eudora?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Tue May  6 12:51:54 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 13:51:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B5C@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Now that you mention  it we use Office 97 but Outlook 2K.  I'm getting my messages from my POP account but if I hit Reply (or New) there is no Send Using command and no option in the Customize toolbar dialog that I can see.  Maybe our Admin removed (or didn't intall) it?

Thanks anyway.  I guess I'll bail on this for now.

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:17 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


Jim,
Sorry, I didn't think of this until this morning I'm thinking Office 97 but
am refferring to Outlook 98 (I don't know anyone who continued using 97 once
98 was released). Are you using 97 or 98?

With 98 you choose File | Send Using or as Charlotte mentioned, you have to
customize the menu bar.

HTH JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:30 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
>
>
> Found it thanks.  When I create a new message I don't see an
> option to choose which account is sending or a "send from" drop
> down though.  Shouldn't I or can I only read my mail on this account?
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:56 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
>
>
> You must have the ability to add an internet account. If you are
> on a corp.
> system using exchange they may not allow it.
> You can add garbage as an "internet" account and then it should show up.
> Just put in something like "test account" - "mail.test.com" for
> the incoming
> and outgoing servers and me at test.com. save it and it should be enough to
> fake it into showing you. You could use real info too of course :o)
>
> Another trick you can do to share your info but not your setup is put the
> .pst in a shared folder and use it from anywhere on your network.
> One or two
> people can get away with that.
>
> JB
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:32 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > I see (or rather I don't).  I don't have 2 accounts set up so I
> > won't see it.  How to set up the second account?  Do I use Tools
> > | Services and if so which do I choose to add a POP account?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jim DeMarco
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:53 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > In Outlook (97+) you should have a dropdown next to the send icon on the
> > toolbar of a new message - but only if you have two accounts listed.
> >
> > In Outlook Express it is an extra row above the TO: field on a new email
> > message.
> >
> > I have used Outlook to manage 6 different email accounts without
> > problems. I
> > don't use a standard sig on my messages though so each account
> has to pick
> > from the list or type it in. I customized the toolbar so the sig
> > icon is on
> > it. I still think Outlook is clunky though. If you don't have to use it
> > there are better emailers out there!
> >
> > John B.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:34 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > Pardon the interruption but is this true in O97 too?  I don't see
> > > it anywhere.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Jim DeMarco
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:24 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > Well in XP it's not quite that but basically you're dead
> right. It's not
> > > a dropdown on the Send but an Accounts dropdown right next to it. How
> > > have I managed to use this program for years and never notice
> that? Many
> > > many thanks Keith.
> > >
> > > Andy Lacey
> > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:58
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Next to the send button you should see "Accounts" with a drop
> > > > down arrow, click on the arrow and select the account being
> > > > sent from and you should now see a status message at the top
> > > > saying "This message will be sent via XYZ"
> > > >
> > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > klk at ksu.edu
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:45 PM
> > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Keith
> > > > > No I'm using full Outlook. So ok I've set up a 2nd account.
> > > > > How, when creating email, do I select which account it's from?
> > > > >
> > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:35
> > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Using Outlook for this just fine, have multiple email
> > > > accounts, can
> > > > > > select which account is being sent from by a drop down
> box.  Even
> > > > > > sending mail addressed as coming from yahoo.com via outlook even
> > > > > > though can't receive pop via free yahoo accounts (this is
> > > > used for
> > > > > > web pages trying to submit forms via email.)  So I'm not
> > > > sure where
> > > > > > the idea this can't be done via outlook is coming from,
> > > > unless you
> > > > > > are talking outlook express, and then yes, it has "issues".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:38 AM
> > > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but
> > > > > recently my
> > > > > > > wife is getting more into email and that's thrown up what
> > > > > I think is
> > > > > > > a limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to
> > > > > both use the
> > > > > > > same email client and both see all incoming mail
> > > > > (personal stuff may
> > > > > > > be to either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc,
> > > > > but when we
> > > > > > > send an email we want to be able to determine which
> of us is the
> > > > > > > Sender and therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to
> > > > > each have
> > > > > > > our own signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't
> cater for
> > > > > > > this at all well. I can set her own profile up but that
> > > > separates
> > > > > > > us too much. If a friend happens to have written to my email
> > > > > > > address themn my wife won't see it because it'll be in
> > > > my Inbox,
> > > > > > > and vice-versa. My question is: can what I'm describing
> > > > be done in
> > > > > > > another client such as Eudora?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Tue May  6 12:56:10 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 13:56:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B5D@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

You can return the new autonumber value from a record added by the ADO .AddNew command.  Might apply to DAO too but I'm not sure about that.

HTH,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 12:31 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


I don't think that works in MDBs, which I assume Stephen meant, else he
would have posted on the SQL list.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Haslett, Andrew
Sent: May 6, 2003 12:09 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


SELECT @@IDENTITY

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz]
Sent: Tuesday, 6 May 2003 12:23 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


In this thread a couple of months ago there was a solution offered to the
problem of determining the value of an ID Autonumber of a record just added.


It was stunning in its simplicity, so of course I didn't write it down  ;-( 
Can anyone help?

TIA

Stephen Bond 
Otatara, New Zealand 
( tel 03 213 1256   fax 03 213 0123 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue May  6 12:56:53 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 19:56:53 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Crosstab question
In-Reply-To: <35324.199.67.140.20.1052236661.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>
References: <01C2D1E6.28E7AC30.bob@renaissancesiding.com>
 <57717.199.67.140.20.1046894317.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>
 <1365244381.20030306094816@cactus.dk>
 <35324.199.67.140.20.1052236661.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <11040062036.20030506195653@cactus.dk>

Hi Oleg

> Hey guys, I am having trouble writing a crosstab query, what I have now, is

> FILTER  Mo1  Mo2  Mo3  Mo4-6  Mo7-12 Yr2
> aaa      1    2    2     22     11    2
> bbb      1    4    4     33     33    3
> ccc      1    1    1     11     11    1
> ddd      2    2    2      2      2    2   etc.

> I need it in this format --

> DATE aaa bbb ccc
> Mo1   1   1   1
> Mo2   2   4   1
> Mo3

> I am using crosstab querry, in row heading I put FILTER, what do I put in
> Column heading ?

You can use a union query to collect the values column by column:

SELECT
  "Mo1" AS Period, Filter,
  [Mo1] AS Amount
FROM
  tblTable
UNION SELECT
  "Mo2" AS Period, Filter,
  [Mo2] AS Amount
FROM
  tblTable
UNION SELECT
  "Mo3" AS Period, Filter,
  [Mo3] AS Amount
FROM
  tblTable
UNION SELECT
  "Mo4-6" AS Period, Filter,
  [Mo4-6] AS Amount
FROM
  tblTable
UNION SELECT
  "Mo7-12" AS Period, Filter,
  [Mo7-12] AS Amount
FROM
  tblTable
UNION SELECT
  "Yr2" AS Period, Filter,
  [Yr2] AS Amount
FROM
  tblTable;


Then feed this to a crosstab query:

TRANSFORM
  Sum(Amount)
SELECT
  Period
FROM
  qdyUnion
GROUP BY
  Period
PIVOT
  Filter;

Not a speed daemon but it works.

/gustav


From nkling at co.montgomery.ny.us  Tue May  6 13:35:19 2003
From: nkling at co.montgomery.ny.us (Neal Kling)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 14:35:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
Message-ID: <0EAA9F4906BA554FA26E6F9F2C5403022BD592@elmo.co.montgomery.ny.us>

Here is what worked for me in Outlook2K.  Open an email REPLY.  Click on
View: From Field.

Neal Kling
Lotus, isn't that some kind of fancy flower?


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:52 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


Now that you mention  it we use Office 97 but Outlook 2K.  I'm getting
my messages from my POP account but if I hit Reply (or New) there is no
Send Using command and no option in the Customize toolbar dialog that I
can see.  Maybe our Admin removed (or didn't intall) it?

Thanks anyway.  I guess I'll bail on this for now.

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:17 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


Jim,
Sorry, I didn't think of this until this morning I'm thinking Office 97
but
am refferring to Outlook 98 (I don't know anyone who continued using 97
once
98 was released). Are you using 97 or 98?

With 98 you choose File | Send Using or as Charlotte mentioned, you have
to
customize the menu bar.

HTH JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:30 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
>
>
> Found it thanks.  When I create a new message I don't see an
> option to choose which account is sending or a "send from" drop
> down though.  Shouldn't I or can I only read my mail on this account?
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:56 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
>
>
> You must have the ability to add an internet account. If you are
> on a corp.
> system using exchange they may not allow it.
> You can add garbage as an "internet" account and then it should show
up.
> Just put in something like "test account" - "mail.test.com" for
> the incoming
> and outgoing servers and me at test.com. save it and it should be enough
to
> fake it into showing you. You could use real info too of course :o)
>
> Another trick you can do to share your info but not your setup is put
the
> .pst in a shared folder and use it from anywhere on your network.
> One or two
> people can get away with that.
>
> JB
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim
DeMarco
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:32 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > I see (or rather I don't).  I don't have 2 accounts set up so I
> > won't see it.  How to set up the second account?  Do I use Tools
> > | Services and if so which do I choose to add a POP account?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jim DeMarco
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:53 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > In Outlook (97+) you should have a dropdown next to the send icon on
the
> > toolbar of a new message - but only if you have two accounts listed.
> >
> > In Outlook Express it is an extra row above the TO: field on a new
email
> > message.
> >
> > I have used Outlook to manage 6 different email accounts without
> > problems. I
> > don't use a standard sig on my messages though so each account
> has to pick
> > from the list or type it in. I customized the toolbar so the sig
> > icon is on
> > it. I still think Outlook is clunky though. If you don't have to use
it
> > there are better emailers out there!
> >
> > John B.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim
DeMarco
> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:34 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > Pardon the interruption but is this true in O97 too?  I don't see
> > > it anywhere.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Jim DeMarco
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:24 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > Well in XP it's not quite that but basically you're dead
> right. It's not
> > > a dropdown on the Send but an Accounts dropdown right next to it.
How
> > > have I managed to use this program for years and never notice
> that? Many
> > > many thanks Keith.
> > >
> > > Andy Lacey
> > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:58
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Next to the send button you should see "Accounts" with a drop
> > > > down arrow, click on the arrow and select the account being
> > > > sent from and you should now see a status message at the top
> > > > saying "This message will be sent via XYZ"
> > > >
> > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > klk at ksu.edu
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:45 PM
> > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Keith
> > > > > No I'm using full Outlook. So ok I've set up a 2nd account.
> > > > > How, when creating email, do I select which account it's from?
> > > > >
> > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:35
> > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Using Outlook for this just fine, have multiple email
> > > > accounts, can
> > > > > > select which account is being sent from by a drop down
> box.  Even
> > > > > > sending mail addressed as coming from yahoo.com via outlook
even
> > > > > > though can't receive pop via free yahoo accounts (this is
> > > > used for
> > > > > > web pages trying to submit forms via email.)  So I'm not
> > > > sure where
> > > > > > the idea this can't be done via outlook is coming from,
> > > > unless you
> > > > > > are talking outlook express, and then yes, it has "issues".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:38 AM
> > > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but
> > > > > recently my
> > > > > > > wife is getting more into email and that's thrown up what
> > > > > I think is
> > > > > > > a limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to
> > > > > both use the
> > > > > > > same email client and both see all incoming mail
> > > > > (personal stuff may
> > > > > > > be to either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc,
> > > > > but when we
> > > > > > > send an email we want to be able to determine which
> of us is the
> > > > > > > Sender and therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to
> > > > > each have
> > > > > > > our own signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't
> cater for
> > > > > > > this at all well. I can set her own profile up but that
> > > > separates
> > > > > > > us too much. If a friend happens to have written to my
email
> > > > > > > address themn my wife won't see it because it'll be in
> > > > my Inbox,
> > > > > > > and vice-versa. My question is: can what I'm describing
> > > > be done in
> > > > > > > another client such as Eudora?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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From Susan.Klos at fldoe.org  Tue May  6 13:50:21 2003
From: Susan.Klos at fldoe.org (Klos, Susan)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 14:50:21 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] FW: Query help please
Message-ID: <8213C1F49875D61195DA0002A5412A0301406EB8@mail.doe.state.fl.us>

I am breaking this into two messages as it was too long for one.
 
I have a query that will build a subreport.  I have asked about this before
but I am having to come at it from a different tack.  I feel like if I can
get the query right, I can get the subreport.
 
tblLodging
LodgingID PK
LodgingID	 Type	 DRate	 NDRate	 Ordr	
1	 Single	 $45.75	 $50.00	 1	
2	 Double	 $29.75	 $35.00	 2	
3	 Triple	 $21.34	 $25.33	 3	
4	 Quadruple	 $17.50	 $20.50	 4	
5	 Cabin	 $18.00	 $21.00	 5	
7	 Cabin/Staff	 $20.00	 $26.00	 7	
9	 R/V	 $20.50	 $20.50	 8	
10	 Tent	 $10.00	 $10.25	 9	
 
tlnklodgingEvent
 
EventID FK to tblEvent  Facility PK
EventID	 Facility	 LodgingID	 NoUnits	 Guests	 NoNights
CostPerUnit	 total	 LodgingDate	
9456	 88	 1	 1	 1	 1	 $45.75	 $45.75	 3/31/2003

9457	 89	 1	 5	 5	 1	 $45.75	 $228.75	 4/
1/2003	
9457	 90	 2	 12	 24	 1	 $29.75	 $714.00	 4/
1/2003	
9458	 94	 2	 2	 2	 1	 $29.75	 $59.50	 3/31/2003

9461	 95	 1	 8	 8	 1	 $50.00	 $400.00	 12/
9/2002	
9461	 96	 1	 9	 9	 1	 $50.00	 $450.00
12/10/2002	
9461	 97	 1	 6	 6	 1	 $50.00	 $300.00
12/11/2002	
9461	 98	 2	 11	 22	 1	 $35.00	 $770.00	 12/
9/2002	
9461	 99	 2	 11	 22	 1	 $35.00	 $770.00
12/10/2002	
9461	 100	 2	 15	 30	 1	 $35.00	 $1,050.00
12/11/2002	
9461	 101	 2	 1	 2	 1	 $35.00	 $70.00	 12/12/2002

9462	 102	 1	 13	 13	 2	 $50.00	 $1,300.00
2/11/2003	
 
I need to create a query that will for any event show all the records from
tlnklodgingEvent and all records from tblLodging that are not used in
tlnklodgingEvent
[Klos, Susan] 
Example and rest of message follows.  Please stay with me.  Thanks. 
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From Susan.Klos at fldoe.org  Tue May  6 13:51:12 2003
From: Susan.Klos at fldoe.org (Klos, Susan)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 14:51:12 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] FW: Query help please
Message-ID: <8213C1F49875D61195DA0002A5412A0301406EB9@mail.doe.state.fl.us>

Here is the second part of the message


 
 
I need to create a query that will for any event show all the records from
tlnklodgingEvent and all records from tblLodging that are not used in
tlnklodgingEvent
For example:
EventID        LodgingType        Guests        NoNights        CostPerUnit
Total        Day
9461          Single                    8                    1
$50.00           $400        Mon
9461          Single                    9                    1
$50.00           $400        Tue
9461          Single                    6                    1
$50.00           $400        Wed
9461          Double                  22                   1
$50.00           $400        Mon
9461          Double                  22                   1
$50.00           $400        Tue
9461          Double                  30                   1
$50.00           $400        Wed
9461          Double                    2                   1
$50.00           $400        Thur
This of course is easy.  The rest of the query has to look like this even
though there are no records in tlnkEvent:
I think I need the query to put in the EventID which can be gotten from
forms!frmEvent!InvoiceNo
(9461)        Triple
$21.34 or $25.33 (Depending on if is Diocesan Event or NonDiocesan Event)
(9461)        Quadruple
$17.50 or $20.50                                        "
(9461)        Cabin
$18.00 or $21.00                                        "
(9461)        Cabin/Staff
$20.00 or $26.00                                        "
(9461)        RV
$20.50 or $20.50                                        "
(9461)        Tent
$10.00 or $10.25                                        "
 
I got the following query to do this for me.  But then I found out that if
there is no lodging, the report still has to show all of the entries in
tblLodging.  Also if an event has not Singles or doubles, then singles and
doubles still have to show on the report.  This query doesn't seem to do all
that for me.
 
SELECT IIf(IsNull([EventId]),[forms]![frmevent]![invoiceno],[EventID]) AS
Invoiceno, tblLodging.LodgingID, tlnklodgingEvent.EventID, tblLodging.Type,
tblLodging.NDRate, tblLodging.DRate, tlnklodgingEvent.CostPerUnit,
IIf(IsNull([costperunit]) And
[forms]![frmEvent]![txtDiocesan]="NonDiocesan",[ndrate],IIf(IsNull([costperu
nit]) And
[forms]![frmEvent]![txtDiocesan]="Diocesan",[drate],[costperunit])) AS Rate,
Weekday([lodgingdate],1) AS LodgingDay, tlnklodgingEvent.Guests,
tlnklodgingEvent.NoNights, tlnklodgingEvent.total, tblLodging.Ordr
FROM tblLodging LEFT JOIN tlnklodgingEvent ON tblLodging.LodgingID =
tlnklodgingEvent.LodgingID;

I sure hope someone out there can help me.  TIA
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From john at winhaven.net  Tue May  6 14:09:11 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 14:09:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
In-Reply-To: <0EAA9F4906BA554FA26E6F9F2C5403022BD592@elmo.co.montgomery.ny.us>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIGEAOEHAA.john@winhaven.net>

This is too funny. I don't have that option at all on my O2K.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Neal Kling
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:35 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> 
> 
> Here is what worked for me in Outlook2K.  Open an email REPLY.  Click on
> View: From Field.
> 
> Neal Kling
> Lotus, isn't that some kind of fancy flower?
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:52 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> 
> 
> Now that you mention  it we use Office 97 but Outlook 2K.  I'm getting
> my messages from my POP account but if I hit Reply (or New) there is no
> Send Using command and no option in the Customize toolbar dialog that I
> can see.  Maybe our Admin removed (or didn't intall) it?
> 
> Thanks anyway.  I guess I'll bail on this for now.
> 
> Jim DeMarco
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:17 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> 
> 
> Jim,
> Sorry, I didn't think of this until this morning I'm thinking Office 97
> but
> am refferring to Outlook 98 (I don't know anyone who continued using 97
> once
> 98 was released). Are you using 97 or 98?
> 
> With 98 you choose File | Send Using or as Charlotte mentioned, you have
> to
> customize the menu bar.
> 
> HTH JB
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:30 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > Found it thanks.  When I create a new message I don't see an
> > option to choose which account is sending or a "send from" drop
> > down though.  Shouldn't I or can I only read my mail on this account?
> >
> > Jim DeMarco
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:56 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > You must have the ability to add an internet account. If you are
> > on a corp.
> > system using exchange they may not allow it.
> > You can add garbage as an "internet" account and then it should show
> up.
> > Just put in something like "test account" - "mail.test.com" for
> > the incoming
> > and outgoing servers and me at test.com. save it and it should be enough
> to
> > fake it into showing you. You could use real info too of course :o)
> >
> > Another trick you can do to share your info but not your setup is put
> the
> > .pst in a shared folder and use it from anywhere on your network.
> > One or two
> > people can get away with that.
> >
> > JB
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim
> DeMarco
> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:32 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > I see (or rather I don't).  I don't have 2 accounts set up so I
> > > won't see it.  How to set up the second account?  Do I use Tools
> > > | Services and if so which do I choose to add a POP account?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Jim DeMarco
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:53 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > In Outlook (97+) you should have a dropdown next to the send icon on
> the
> > > toolbar of a new message - but only if you have two accounts listed.
> > >
> > > In Outlook Express it is an extra row above the TO: field on a new
> email
> > > message.
> > >
> > > I have used Outlook to manage 6 different email accounts without
> > > problems. I
> > > don't use a standard sig on my messages though so each account
> > has to pick
> > > from the list or type it in. I customized the toolbar so the sig
> > > icon is on
> > > it. I still think Outlook is clunky though. If you don't have to use
> it
> > > there are better emailers out there!
> > >
> > > John B.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim
> DeMarco
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:34 PM
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Pardon the interruption but is this true in O97 too?  I don't see
> > > > it anywhere.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Jim DeMarco
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:24 PM
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well in XP it's not quite that but basically you're dead
> > right. It's not
> > > > a dropdown on the Send but an Accounts dropdown right next to it.
> How
> > > > have I managed to use this program for years and never notice
> > that? Many
> > > > many thanks Keith.
> > > >
> > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:58
> > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Next to the send button you should see "Accounts" with a drop
> > > > > down arrow, click on the arrow and select the account being
> > > > > sent from and you should now see a status message at the top
> > > > > saying "This message will be sent via XYZ"
> > > > >
> > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > klk at ksu.edu
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:45 PM
> > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Keith
> > > > > > No I'm using full Outlook. So ok I've set up a 2nd account.
> > > > > > How, when creating email, do I select which account it's from?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:35
> > > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Using Outlook for this just fine, have multiple email
> > > > > accounts, can
> > > > > > > select which account is being sent from by a drop down
> > box.  Even
> > > > > > > sending mail addressed as coming from yahoo.com via outlook
> even
> > > > > > > though can't receive pop via free yahoo accounts (this is
> > > > > used for
> > > > > > > web pages trying to submit forms via email.)  So I'm not
> > > > > sure where
> > > > > > > the idea this can't be done via outlook is coming from,
> > > > > unless you
> > > > > > > are talking outlook express, and then yes, it has "issues".
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:38 AM
> > > > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but
> > > > > > recently my
> > > > > > > > wife is getting more into email and that's thrown up what
> > > > > > I think is
> > > > > > > > a limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to
> > > > > > both use the
> > > > > > > > same email client and both see all incoming mail
> > > > > > (personal stuff may
> > > > > > > > be to either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc,
> > > > > > but when we
> > > > > > > > send an email we want to be able to determine which
> > of us is the
> > > > > > > > Sender and therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to
> > > > > > each have
> > > > > > > > our own signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't
> > cater for
> > > > > > > > this at all well. I can set her own profile up but that
> > > > > separates
> > > > > > > > us too much. If a friend happens to have written to my
> email
> > > > > > > > address themn my wife won't see it because it'll be in
> > > > > my Inbox,
> > > > > > > > and vice-versa. My question is: can what I'm describing
> > > > > be done in
> > > > > > > > another client such as Eudora?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> > > > > > > > Website:
> > > > > > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> > > > > > Website:
> > > > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ******************************************************************
> > > > *****************
> > > > "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of
> > > > the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson
> > > > Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged.  If you are
> > > > not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
> > > > disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this
> > > > message is strictly prohibited.  If you have received this
> > > > message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us
> > > > immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic
> > > > mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you
> > > > are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email
> > > > to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message.
> > > Thank You".
> > > > ******************************************************************
> > > > *****************
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> > > ******************************************************************
> > > *****************
> > > "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of
> > > the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson
> > > Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged.  If you are
> > > not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
> > > disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this
> > > message is strictly prohibited.  If you have received this
> > > message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us
> > > immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic
> > > mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you
> > > are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email
> > > to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message.
> > Thank You".
> > > ******************************************************************
> > > *****************
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> > ******************************************************************
> > *****************
> > "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of
> > the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson
> > Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged.  If you are
> > not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
> > disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this
> > message is strictly prohibited.  If you have received this
> > message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us
> > immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic
> > mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you
> > are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email
> > to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message.  Thank
> You".
> > ******************************************************************
> > *****************
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
> ************************************************************************
> ***********
> "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of the named
> recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP)
> that is confidential or privileged.  If you are not the intended
> recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying,
> distribution or use of the contents of this message is strictly
> prohibited.  If you have received this message in error or are not the
> named recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting the
> sender at the electronic mail address noted above or calling HHP at
> (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not
> forward this email to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this
> message.  Thank You".
> ************************************************************************
> ***********
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue May  6 14:28:02 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 20:28:02 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B5C@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <000001c31405$9fdc1ae0$b274d0d5@andypc>

Jim
When you have a new (or reply) email open do you not have an Accounts
option next to the Send?

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: 06 May 2003 18:52
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> 
> 
> Now that you mention  it we use Office 97 but Outlook 2K.  
> I'm getting my messages from my POP account but if I hit 
> Reply (or New) there is no Send Using command and no option 
> in the Customize toolbar dialog that I can see.  Maybe our 
> Admin removed (or didn't intall) it?
> 
> Thanks anyway.  I guess I'll bail on this for now.
> 
> Jim DeMarco
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:17 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> 
> 
> Jim,
> Sorry, I didn't think of this until this morning I'm thinking 
> Office 97 but am refferring to Outlook 98 (I don't know 
> anyone who continued using 97 once 98 was released). Are you 
> using 97 or 98?
> 
> With 98 you choose File | Send Using or as Charlotte 
> mentioned, you have to customize the menu bar.
> 
> HTH JB
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of 
> Jim DeMarco
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:30 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > Found it thanks.  When I create a new message I don't see 
> an option to 
> > choose which account is sending or a "send from" drop down though.  
> > Shouldn't I or can I only read my mail on this account?
> >
> > Jim DeMarco
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:56 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > You must have the ability to add an internet account. If 
> you are on a 
> > corp. system using exchange they may not allow it.
> > You can add garbage as an "internet" account and then it 
> should show up.
> > Just put in something like "test account" - "mail.test.com" for
> > the incoming
> > and outgoing servers and me at test.com. save it and it should 
> be enough to
> > fake it into showing you. You could use real info too of course :o)
> >
> > Another trick you can do to share your info but not your 
> setup is put 
> > the .pst in a shared folder and use it from anywhere on 
> your network. 
> > One or two people can get away with that.
> >
> > JB
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim 
> > > DeMarco
> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:32 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > I see (or rather I don't).  I don't have 2 accounts set up so I 
> > > won't see it.  How to set up the second account?  Do I use Tools
> > > | Services and if so which do I choose to add a POP account?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Jim DeMarco
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:53 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > In Outlook (97+) you should have a dropdown next to the 
> send icon on 
> > > the toolbar of a new message - but only if you have two accounts 
> > > listed.
> > >
> > > In Outlook Express it is an extra row above the TO: field 
> on a new 
> > > email message.
> > >
> > > I have used Outlook to manage 6 different email accounts without 
> > > problems. I don't use a standard sig on my messages 
> though so each 
> > > account
> > has to pick
> > > from the list or type it in. I customized the toolbar so the sig 
> > > icon is on it. I still think Outlook is clunky though. If 
> you don't 
> > > have to use it there are better emailers out there!
> > >
> > > John B.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim 
> > > > DeMarco
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:34 PM
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Pardon the interruption but is this true in O97 too?  I 
> don't see 
> > > > it anywhere.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Jim DeMarco
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:24 PM
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well in XP it's not quite that but basically you're dead
> > right. It's not
> > > > a dropdown on the Send but an Accounts dropdown right 
> next to it. 
> > > > How have I managed to use this program for years and 
> never notice
> > that? Many
> > > > many thanks Keith.
> > > >
> > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On 
> Behalf Of Keith 
> > > > > L. Kovala
> > > > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:58
> > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Next to the send button you should see "Accounts" with a drop 
> > > > > down arrow, click on the arrow and select the account 
> being sent 
> > > > > from and you should now see a status message at the 
> top saying 
> > > > > "This message will be sent via XYZ"
> > > > >
> > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > klk at ksu.edu
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:45 PM
> > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Keith
> > > > > > No I'm using full Outlook. So ok I've set up a 2nd account. 
> > > > > > How, when creating email, do I select which account 
> it's from?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On 
> Behalf Of 
> > > > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:35
> > > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Using Outlook for this just fine, have multiple email
> > > > > accounts, can
> > > > > > > select which account is being sent from by a drop down
> > box.  Even
> > > > > > > sending mail addressed as coming from yahoo.com 
> via outlook 
> > > > > > > even though can't receive pop via free yahoo 
> accounts (this 
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > used for
> > > > > > > web pages trying to submit forms via email.)  So I'm not
> > > > > sure where
> > > > > > > the idea this can't be done via outlook is coming from,
> > > > > unless you
> > > > > > > are talking outlook express, and then yes, it has 
> "issues".
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] 
> On Behalf Of
> > > > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:38 AM
> > > > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but
> > > > > > recently my
> > > > > > > > wife is getting more into email and that's 
> thrown up what
> > > > > > I think is
> > > > > > > > a limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to
> > > > > > both use the
> > > > > > > > same email client and both see all incoming mail
> > > > > > (personal stuff may
> > > > > > > > be to either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc,
> > > > > > but when we
> > > > > > > > send an email we want to be able to determine which
> > of us is the
> > > > > > > > Sender and therefore the ReplyTo address. We 
> also want to
> > > > > > each have
> > > > > > > > our own signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't
> > cater for
> > > > > > > > this at all well. I can set her own profile up but that
> > > > > separates
> > > > > > > > us too much. If a friend happens to have written to my 
> > > > > > > > email address themn my wife won't see it 
> because it'll be 
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > my Inbox,
> > > > > > > > and vice-versa. My question is: can what I'm describing
> > > > > be done in
> > > > > > > > another client such as Eudora?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> > > > > > > > Website:
> > > > > > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> > > > > > Website:
> > > > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 
> ******************************************************************
> > > > *****************
> > > > "This electronic message is intended to be for the use 
> only of the 
> > > > named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health 
> > > > Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged.  If you 
> are not the 
> > > > intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any 
> disclosure, 
> > > > copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is 
> > > > strictly prohibited.  If you have received this message 
> in error 
> > > > or are not the named recipient, please notify us immediately, 
> > > > either by contacting the sender at the electronic mail address 
> > > > noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you 
> are not the 
> > > > intended recipient, please do not forward this email to anyone, 
> > > > and delete and destroy all copies of this message.
> > > Thank You".
> > > > 
> ******************************************************************
> > > > *****************
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> > > ******************************************************************
> > > *****************
> > > "This electronic message is intended to be for the use 
> only of the 
> > > named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson 
> Health Plan 
> > > (HHP) that is confidential or privileged.  If you are not the 
> > > intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, 
> > > copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is 
> > > strictly prohibited.  If you have received this message 
> in error or 
> > > are not the named recipient, please notify us 
> immediately, either by 
> > > contacting the sender at the electronic mail address 
> noted above or 
> > > calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended 
> > > recipient, please do not forward this email to anyone, and delete 
> > > and destroy all copies of this message.
> > Thank You".
> > > ******************************************************************
> > > *****************
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> > ******************************************************************
> > *****************
> > "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of the 
> > named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson 
> Health Plan 
> > (HHP) that is confidential or privileged.  If you are not 
> the intended 
> > recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, 
> > distribution or use of the contents of this message is strictly 
> > prohibited.  If you have received this message in error or 
> are not the 
> > named recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting 
> > the sender at the electronic mail address noted above or 
> calling HHP 
> > at (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended recipient, please do 
> > not forward this email to anyone, and delete and destroy 
> all copies of 
> > this message.  Thank You".
> > ******************************************************************
> > *****************
> >
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue May  6 14:37:25 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 20:37:25 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B07@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <000101c31406$ec2df520$b274d0d5@andypc>

Can I second that question? As you say, looking up subqueries in help
doesn't tell me. What do you mean?

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: 06 May 2003 17:30
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> 
> What's the [...] syntax?
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:19 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> 
> As I recall, the help files did NOT include anything on the 
> [...] syntax.  I stumbled over that myself in 97 but never 
> found anything in the help files except on regular subqueries.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 8:09 AM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> 
> Actually, 'in-line' queries or subqueries are described in 
> Access 97's help files.  Just look up SQL Subqueries, or just 
> subqueries.
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:12 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> 
> Hi Jim
> 
> > <Snip>
> > Those not familiar with the strange [..]. syntax may look up the
> > archives for "SQL in-line subquery" <Snip>
> 
> > Since I was (am) unfamiliar with this concept, I did look it up. I
> > have a few questions.
> 
> > 1.  Does this method run faster than a nested query?
> 
> A saved and compiled nested query may run faster. Haven't 
> done any testing though.
> 
> > 2.  What are the pitfalls?
> 
> One is that no documentation is available as far as I know.
> 
> > 3.  What are the benefits?
> 
> That you can avoid temporary tables or subqueries. All code 
> is in one query which is an advantage if you build it from VBA code.
> 
> /gustav
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue May  6 14:37:25 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 20:37:25 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B04@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <000201c31406$ec697780$b274d0d5@andypc>

Sorry to disagree Drew but I think it's

rs.AddNew
rs!Myfield="Test"
etc
etc
rs.Update
rs.bookmark=rs.lastmodified
msgbox rs!MyAutoNumber
rs.close

I think you have to do the .bookmark line. Without that you're not on
the right record


Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk





> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: 06 May 2003 17:05
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> 
> 
> dim rs as recordset
> rs.AddNew
> rs.Field(1).value="Test"
> rs.Update
> msgbox rs.Field(0).value
> rs.close
> 
> 
> As soon as you update the new record, the Autonumber field is 
> populated. (in my sample code above, the ID/AN is field 0).
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:53 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> 
> 
> In this thread a couple of months ago there was a solution 
> offered to the problem of determining the value of an ID 
> Autonumber of a record just added.
> 
> 
> It was stunning in its simplicity, so of course I didn't 
> write it down  ;-( 
> 
> Can anyone help?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Stephen Bond 
> Otatara, New Zealand 
> ( tel 03 213 1256   fax 03 213 0123 
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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Tue May  6 14:40:56 2003
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 15:40:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT:Turning off Internet Access in Win2000
Message-ID: <Law14-F65O3ausqu6dQ00019ac3@hotmail.com>

Hi All,

I'm pulling my hair out trying to find a way to turn off Internet access to 
our manufacturing personnel as requested by management.  So far, I've 
determined that the option must reside in the local security settings on the 
individual machines.  Can anyone help me?



Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
www.pro-soft.net




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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Tue May  6 14:45:15 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 15:45:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B63@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

No I don't.  I got around this by opening the Options dialog and choosing "Have replies send to" and inserting my home e-mail address.  

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 3:28 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


Jim
When you have a new (or reply) email open do you not have an Accounts
option next to the Send?

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: 06 May 2003 18:52
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> 
> 
> Now that you mention  it we use Office 97 but Outlook 2K.  
> I'm getting my messages from my POP account but if I hit 
> Reply (or New) there is no Send Using command and no option 
> in the Customize toolbar dialog that I can see.  Maybe our 
> Admin removed (or didn't intall) it?
> 
> Thanks anyway.  I guess I'll bail on this for now.
> 
> Jim DeMarco
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:17 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> 
> 
> Jim,
> Sorry, I didn't think of this until this morning I'm thinking 
> Office 97 but am refferring to Outlook 98 (I don't know 
> anyone who continued using 97 once 98 was released). Are you 
> using 97 or 98?
> 
> With 98 you choose File | Send Using or as Charlotte 
> mentioned, you have to customize the menu bar.
> 
> HTH JB
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of 
> Jim DeMarco
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:30 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > Found it thanks.  When I create a new message I don't see 
> an option to 
> > choose which account is sending or a "send from" drop down though.  
> > Shouldn't I or can I only read my mail on this account?
> >
> > Jim DeMarco
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:56 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > You must have the ability to add an internet account. If 
> you are on a 
> > corp. system using exchange they may not allow it.
> > You can add garbage as an "internet" account and then it 
> should show up.
> > Just put in something like "test account" - "mail.test.com" for
> > the incoming
> > and outgoing servers and me at test.com. save it and it should 
> be enough to
> > fake it into showing you. You could use real info too of course :o)
> >
> > Another trick you can do to share your info but not your 
> setup is put 
> > the .pst in a shared folder and use it from anywhere on 
> your network. 
> > One or two people can get away with that.
> >
> > JB
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim 
> > > DeMarco
> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:32 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > I see (or rather I don't).  I don't have 2 accounts set up so I 
> > > won't see it.  How to set up the second account?  Do I use Tools
> > > | Services and if so which do I choose to add a POP account?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Jim DeMarco
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:53 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > In Outlook (97+) you should have a dropdown next to the 
> send icon on 
> > > the toolbar of a new message - but only if you have two accounts 
> > > listed.
> > >
> > > In Outlook Express it is an extra row above the TO: field 
> on a new 
> > > email message.
> > >
> > > I have used Outlook to manage 6 different email accounts without 
> > > problems. I don't use a standard sig on my messages 
> though so each 
> > > account
> > has to pick
> > > from the list or type it in. I customized the toolbar so the sig 
> > > icon is on it. I still think Outlook is clunky though. If 
> you don't 
> > > have to use it there are better emailers out there!
> > >
> > > John B.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim 
> > > > DeMarco
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:34 PM
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Pardon the interruption but is this true in O97 too?  I 
> don't see 
> > > > it anywhere.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Jim DeMarco
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:24 PM
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well in XP it's not quite that but basically you're dead
> > right. It's not
> > > > a dropdown on the Send but an Accounts dropdown right 
> next to it. 
> > > > How have I managed to use this program for years and 
> never notice
> > that? Many
> > > > many thanks Keith.
> > > >
> > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On 
> Behalf Of Keith 
> > > > > L. Kovala
> > > > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:58
> > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Next to the send button you should see "Accounts" with a drop 
> > > > > down arrow, click on the arrow and select the account 
> being sent 
> > > > > from and you should now see a status message at the 
> top saying 
> > > > > "This message will be sent via XYZ"
> > > > >
> > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > klk at ksu.edu
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:45 PM
> > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Keith
> > > > > > No I'm using full Outlook. So ok I've set up a 2nd account. 
> > > > > > How, when creating email, do I select which account 
> it's from?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On 
> Behalf Of 
> > > > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:35
> > > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Using Outlook for this just fine, have multiple email
> > > > > accounts, can
> > > > > > > select which account is being sent from by a drop down
> > box.  Even
> > > > > > > sending mail addressed as coming from yahoo.com 
> via outlook 
> > > > > > > even though can't receive pop via free yahoo 
> accounts (this 
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > used for
> > > > > > > web pages trying to submit forms via email.)  So I'm not
> > > > > sure where
> > > > > > > the idea this can't be done via outlook is coming from,
> > > > > unless you
> > > > > > > are talking outlook express, and then yes, it has 
> "issues".
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] 
> On Behalf Of
> > > > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:38 AM
> > > > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but
> > > > > > recently my
> > > > > > > > wife is getting more into email and that's 
> thrown up what
> > > > > > I think is
> > > > > > > > a limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to
> > > > > > both use the
> > > > > > > > same email client and both see all incoming mail
> > > > > > (personal stuff may
> > > > > > > > be to either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc,
> > > > > > but when we
> > > > > > > > send an email we want to be able to determine which
> > of us is the
> > > > > > > > Sender and therefore the ReplyTo address. We 
> also want to
> > > > > > each have
> > > > > > > > our own signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't
> > cater for
> > > > > > > > this at all well. I can set her own profile up but that
> > > > > separates
> > > > > > > > us too much. If a friend happens to have written to my 
> > > > > > > > email address themn my wife won't see it 
> because it'll be 
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > my Inbox,
> > > > > > > > and vice-versa. My question is: can what I'm describing
> > > > > be done in
> > > > > > > > another client such as Eudora?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > > > > >
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> of the named recipient, and may contain information from 
> Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged.  
> If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby 
> notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of 
> the contents of this message is strictly prohibited.  If you 
> have received this message in error or are not the named 
> recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting 
> the sender at the electronic mail address noted above or 
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Tue May  6 14:46:23 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 15:46:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B64@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Thanks Neil but I get a "no permission to send from this account" error.  I just found a way in the Options dialog that works though ("Have replies sent to:" option).

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Neal Kling [mailto:nkling at co.montgomery.ny.us]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 2:35 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


Here is what worked for me in Outlook2K.  Open an email REPLY.  Click on
View: From Field.

Neal Kling
Lotus, isn't that some kind of fancy flower?


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:52 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


Now that you mention  it we use Office 97 but Outlook 2K.  I'm getting
my messages from my POP account but if I hit Reply (or New) there is no
Send Using command and no option in the Customize toolbar dialog that I
can see.  Maybe our Admin removed (or didn't intall) it?

Thanks anyway.  I guess I'll bail on this for now.

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:17 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


Jim,
Sorry, I didn't think of this until this morning I'm thinking Office 97
but
am refferring to Outlook 98 (I don't know anyone who continued using 97
once
98 was released). Are you using 97 or 98?

With 98 you choose File | Send Using or as Charlotte mentioned, you have
to
customize the menu bar.

HTH JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:30 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
>
>
> Found it thanks.  When I create a new message I don't see an
> option to choose which account is sending or a "send from" drop
> down though.  Shouldn't I or can I only read my mail on this account?
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:56 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
>
>
> You must have the ability to add an internet account. If you are
> on a corp.
> system using exchange they may not allow it.
> You can add garbage as an "internet" account and then it should show
up.
> Just put in something like "test account" - "mail.test.com" for
> the incoming
> and outgoing servers and me at test.com. save it and it should be enough
to
> fake it into showing you. You could use real info too of course :o)
>
> Another trick you can do to share your info but not your setup is put
the
> .pst in a shared folder and use it from anywhere on your network.
> One or two
> people can get away with that.
>
> JB
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim
DeMarco
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:32 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > I see (or rather I don't).  I don't have 2 accounts set up so I
> > won't see it.  How to set up the second account?  Do I use Tools
> > | Services and if so which do I choose to add a POP account?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jim DeMarco
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:53 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > In Outlook (97+) you should have a dropdown next to the send icon on
the
> > toolbar of a new message - but only if you have two accounts listed.
> >
> > In Outlook Express it is an extra row above the TO: field on a new
email
> > message.
> >
> > I have used Outlook to manage 6 different email accounts without
> > problems. I
> > don't use a standard sig on my messages though so each account
> has to pick
> > from the list or type it in. I customized the toolbar so the sig
> > icon is on
> > it. I still think Outlook is clunky though. If you don't have to use
it
> > there are better emailers out there!
> >
> > John B.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim
DeMarco
> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:34 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > Pardon the interruption but is this true in O97 too?  I don't see
> > > it anywhere.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Jim DeMarco
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:24 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > Well in XP it's not quite that but basically you're dead
> right. It's not
> > > a dropdown on the Send but an Accounts dropdown right next to it.
How
> > > have I managed to use this program for years and never notice
> that? Many
> > > many thanks Keith.
> > >
> > > Andy Lacey
> > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:58
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Next to the send button you should see "Accounts" with a drop
> > > > down arrow, click on the arrow and select the account being
> > > > sent from and you should now see a status message at the top
> > > > saying "This message will be sent via XYZ"
> > > >
> > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > klk at ksu.edu
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:45 PM
> > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Keith
> > > > > No I'm using full Outlook. So ok I've set up a 2nd account.
> > > > > How, when creating email, do I select which account it's from?
> > > > >
> > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:35
> > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Using Outlook for this just fine, have multiple email
> > > > accounts, can
> > > > > > select which account is being sent from by a drop down
> box.  Even
> > > > > > sending mail addressed as coming from yahoo.com via outlook
even
> > > > > > though can't receive pop via free yahoo accounts (this is
> > > > used for
> > > > > > web pages trying to submit forms via email.)  So I'm not
> > > > sure where
> > > > > > the idea this can't be done via outlook is coming from,
> > > > unless you
> > > > > > are talking outlook express, and then yes, it has "issues".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:38 AM
> > > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but
> > > > > recently my
> > > > > > > wife is getting more into email and that's thrown up what
> > > > > I think is
> > > > > > > a limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to
> > > > > both use the
> > > > > > > same email client and both see all incoming mail
> > > > > (personal stuff may
> > > > > > > be to either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc,
> > > > > but when we
> > > > > > > send an email we want to be able to determine which
> of us is the
> > > > > > > Sender and therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to
> > > > > each have
> > > > > > > our own signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't
> cater for
> > > > > > > this at all well. I can set her own profile up but that
> > > > separates
> > > > > > > us too much. If a friend happens to have written to my
email
> > > > > > > address themn my wife won't see it because it'll be in
> > > > my Inbox,
> > > > > > > and vice-versa. My question is: can what I'm describing
> > > > be done in
> > > > > > > another client such as Eudora?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> > > > > > > Website:
> > > > > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> > > > > Website:
> > > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
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> > > the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson
> > > Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged.  If you are
> > > not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
> > > disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this
> > > message is strictly prohibited.  If you have received this
> > > message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us
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> >
> >
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> > the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson
> > Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged.  If you are
> > not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
> > disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this
> > message is strictly prohibited.  If you have received this
> > message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us
> > immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic
> > mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you
> > are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email
> > to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message.
> Thank You".
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> >
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> >
> >
>
>
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
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> the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson
> Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged.  If you are
> not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
> disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this
> message is strictly prohibited.  If you have received this
> message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us
> immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic
> mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you
> are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email
> to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message.  Thank
You".
> ******************************************************************
> *****************
>
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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>


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Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com  Tue May  6 14:54:56 2003
From: Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com (Lavsa, Rich)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 15:54:56 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
Message-ID: <833956F5C117124A89417638FDB11290EBCE55@goexchange.pghcorning.com>

To make that work without error, I think you can set up a Delegate in the
Tools|Options|Delegates(Tab) to allow others to send email on your behalf.

Rich

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 3:46 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


Thanks Neil but I get a "no permission to send from this account" error.  I
just found a way in the Options dialog that works though ("Have replies sent
to:" option).

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Neal Kling [mailto:nkling at co.montgomery.ny.us]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 2:35 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


Here is what worked for me in Outlook2K.  Open an email REPLY.  Click on
View: From Field.

Neal Kling
Lotus, isn't that some kind of fancy flower?


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:52 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


Now that you mention  it we use Office 97 but Outlook 2K.  I'm getting
my messages from my POP account but if I hit Reply (or New) there is no
Send Using command and no option in the Customize toolbar dialog that I
can see.  Maybe our Admin removed (or didn't intall) it?

Thanks anyway.  I guess I'll bail on this for now.

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:17 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


Jim,
Sorry, I didn't think of this until this morning I'm thinking Office 97
but
am refferring to Outlook 98 (I don't know anyone who continued using 97
once
98 was released). Are you using 97 or 98?

With 98 you choose File | Send Using or as Charlotte mentioned, you have
to
customize the menu bar.

HTH JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:30 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
>
>
> Found it thanks.  When I create a new message I don't see an
> option to choose which account is sending or a "send from" drop
> down though.  Shouldn't I or can I only read my mail on this account?
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:56 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
>
>
> You must have the ability to add an internet account. If you are
> on a corp.
> system using exchange they may not allow it.
> You can add garbage as an "internet" account and then it should show
up.
> Just put in something like "test account" - "mail.test.com" for
> the incoming
> and outgoing servers and me at test.com. save it and it should be enough
to
> fake it into showing you. You could use real info too of course :o)
>
> Another trick you can do to share your info but not your setup is put
the
> .pst in a shared folder and use it from anywhere on your network.
> One or two
> people can get away with that.
>
> JB
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim
DeMarco
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:32 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > I see (or rather I don't).  I don't have 2 accounts set up so I
> > won't see it.  How to set up the second account?  Do I use Tools
> > | Services and if so which do I choose to add a POP account?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jim DeMarco
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:53 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > In Outlook (97+) you should have a dropdown next to the send icon on
the
> > toolbar of a new message - but only if you have two accounts listed.
> >
> > In Outlook Express it is an extra row above the TO: field on a new
email
> > message.
> >
> > I have used Outlook to manage 6 different email accounts without
> > problems. I
> > don't use a standard sig on my messages though so each account
> has to pick
> > from the list or type it in. I customized the toolbar so the sig
> > icon is on
> > it. I still think Outlook is clunky though. If you don't have to use
it
> > there are better emailers out there!
> >
> > John B.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim
DeMarco
> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:34 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > Pardon the interruption but is this true in O97 too?  I don't see
> > > it anywhere.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Jim DeMarco
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:24 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > Well in XP it's not quite that but basically you're dead
> right. It's not
> > > a dropdown on the Send but an Accounts dropdown right next to it.
How
> > > have I managed to use this program for years and never notice
> that? Many
> > > many thanks Keith.
> > >
> > > Andy Lacey
> > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:58
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Next to the send button you should see "Accounts" with a drop
> > > > down arrow, click on the arrow and select the account being
> > > > sent from and you should now see a status message at the top
> > > > saying "This message will be sent via XYZ"
> > > >
> > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > klk at ksu.edu
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:45 PM
> > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Keith
> > > > > No I'm using full Outlook. So ok I've set up a 2nd account.
> > > > > How, when creating email, do I select which account it's from?
> > > > >
> > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:35
> > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Using Outlook for this just fine, have multiple email
> > > > accounts, can
> > > > > > select which account is being sent from by a drop down
> box.  Even
> > > > > > sending mail addressed as coming from yahoo.com via outlook
even
> > > > > > though can't receive pop via free yahoo accounts (this is
> > > > used for
> > > > > > web pages trying to submit forms via email.)  So I'm not
> > > > sure where
> > > > > > the idea this can't be done via outlook is coming from,
> > > > unless you
> > > > > > are talking outlook express, and then yes, it has "issues".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:38 AM
> > > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but
> > > > > recently my
> > > > > > > wife is getting more into email and that's thrown up what
> > > > > I think is
> > > > > > > a limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to
> > > > > both use the
> > > > > > > same email client and both see all incoming mail
> > > > > (personal stuff may
> > > > > > > be to either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc,
> > > > > but when we
> > > > > > > send an email we want to be able to determine which
> of us is the
> > > > > > > Sender and therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to
> > > > > each have
> > > > > > > our own signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't
> cater for
> > > > > > > this at all well. I can set her own profile up but that
> > > > separates
> > > > > > > us too much. If a friend happens to have written to my
email
> > > > > > > address themn my wife won't see it because it'll be in
> > > > my Inbox,
> > > > > > > and vice-versa. My question is: can what I'm describing
> > > > be done in
> > > > > > > another client such as Eudora?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> > > > > > > Website:
> > > > > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> > > > > Website:
> > > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> > > ******************************************************************
> > > *****************
> > > "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of
> > > the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson
> > > Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged.  If you are
> > > not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
> > > disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this
> > > message is strictly prohibited.  If you have received this
> > > message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us
> > > immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic
> > > mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you
> > > are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email
> > > to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message.
> > Thank You".
> > > ******************************************************************
> > > *****************
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> > ******************************************************************
> > *****************
> > "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of
> > the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson
> > Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged.  If you are
> > not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
> > disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this
> > message is strictly prohibited.  If you have received this
> > message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us
> > immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic
> > mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you
> > are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email
> > to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message.
> Thank You".
> > ******************************************************************
> > *****************
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> ******************************************************************
> *****************
> "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of
> the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson
> Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged.  If you are
> not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
> disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this
> message is strictly prohibited.  If you have received this
> message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us
> immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic
> mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you
> are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email
> to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message.  Thank
You".
> ******************************************************************
> *****************
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


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************************************************************************
***********
"This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of the named
recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP)
that is confidential or privileged.  If you are not the intended
recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying,
distribution or use of the contents of this message is strictly
prohibited.  If you have received this message in error or are not the
named recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting the
sender at the electronic mail address noted above or calling HHP at
(914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not
forward this email to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this
message.  Thank You".
************************************************************************
***********

_______________________________________________
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AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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****************************************************************************
*******
"This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of the named
recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that is
confidential or privileged.  If you are not the intended recipient, you are
hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the
contents of this message is strictly prohibited.  If you have received this
message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us
immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic mail address
noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended
recipient, please do not forward this email to anyone, and delete and
destroy all copies of this message.  Thank You".
****************************************************************************
*******

_______________________________________________
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http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue May  6 14:58:02 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 21:58:02 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT:Turning off Internet Access in Win2000
In-Reply-To: <Law14-F65O3ausqu6dQ00019ac3@hotmail.com>
References: <Law14-F65O3ausqu6dQ00019ac3@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <18147331398.20030506215802@cactus.dk>

Hi Julie

I would control this on the network level by having these machines
connected through a separate router or firewall which is set for
blocking Internet traffic.

/gustav

> I'm pulling my hair out trying to find a way to turn off Internet access to
> our manufacturing personnel as requested by management.  So far, I've 
> determined that the option must reside in the local security settings on the 
> individual machines.  Can anyone help me?

> Julie Reardon-Taylor
> PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
> www.pro-soft.net


From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Tue May  6 14:59:17 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 15:59:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B65@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

I should add to this that new mail from my POP account is going into my corporate mailbox.  This is where I think the problem lies. 

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco 
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 3:46 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


Thanks Neil but I get a "no permission to send from this account" error.  I just found a way in the Options dialog that works though ("Have replies sent to:" option).

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Neal Kling [mailto:nkling at co.montgomery.ny.us]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 2:35 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


Here is what worked for me in Outlook2K.  Open an email REPLY.  Click on
View: From Field.

Neal Kling
Lotus, isn't that some kind of fancy flower?


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:52 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


Now that you mention  it we use Office 97 but Outlook 2K.  I'm getting
my messages from my POP account but if I hit Reply (or New) there is no
Send Using command and no option in the Customize toolbar dialog that I
can see.  Maybe our Admin removed (or didn't intall) it?

Thanks anyway.  I guess I'll bail on this for now.

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:17 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


Jim,
Sorry, I didn't think of this until this morning I'm thinking Office 97
but
am refferring to Outlook 98 (I don't know anyone who continued using 97
once
98 was released). Are you using 97 or 98?

With 98 you choose File | Send Using or as Charlotte mentioned, you have
to
customize the menu bar.

HTH JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:30 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
>
>
> Found it thanks.  When I create a new message I don't see an
> option to choose which account is sending or a "send from" drop
> down though.  Shouldn't I or can I only read my mail on this account?
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:56 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
>
>
> You must have the ability to add an internet account. If you are
> on a corp.
> system using exchange they may not allow it.
> You can add garbage as an "internet" account and then it should show
up.
> Just put in something like "test account" - "mail.test.com" for
> the incoming
> and outgoing servers and me at test.com. save it and it should be enough
to
> fake it into showing you. You could use real info too of course :o)
>
> Another trick you can do to share your info but not your setup is put
the
> .pst in a shared folder and use it from anywhere on your network.
> One or two
> people can get away with that.
>
> JB
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim
DeMarco
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:32 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > I see (or rather I don't).  I don't have 2 accounts set up so I
> > won't see it.  How to set up the second account?  Do I use Tools
> > | Services and if so which do I choose to add a POP account?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jim DeMarco
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:53 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > In Outlook (97+) you should have a dropdown next to the send icon on
the
> > toolbar of a new message - but only if you have two accounts listed.
> >
> > In Outlook Express it is an extra row above the TO: field on a new
email
> > message.
> >
> > I have used Outlook to manage 6 different email accounts without
> > problems. I
> > don't use a standard sig on my messages though so each account
> has to pick
> > from the list or type it in. I customized the toolbar so the sig
> > icon is on
> > it. I still think Outlook is clunky though. If you don't have to use
it
> > there are better emailers out there!
> >
> > John B.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim
DeMarco
> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:34 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > Pardon the interruption but is this true in O97 too?  I don't see
> > > it anywhere.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Jim DeMarco
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:24 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > Well in XP it's not quite that but basically you're dead
> right. It's not
> > > a dropdown on the Send but an Accounts dropdown right next to it.
How
> > > have I managed to use this program for years and never notice
> that? Many
> > > many thanks Keith.
> > >
> > > Andy Lacey
> > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:58
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Next to the send button you should see "Accounts" with a drop
> > > > down arrow, click on the arrow and select the account being
> > > > sent from and you should now see a status message at the top
> > > > saying "This message will be sent via XYZ"
> > > >
> > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > klk at ksu.edu
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:45 PM
> > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Keith
> > > > > No I'm using full Outlook. So ok I've set up a 2nd account.
> > > > > How, when creating email, do I select which account it's from?
> > > > >
> > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:35
> > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Using Outlook for this just fine, have multiple email
> > > > accounts, can
> > > > > > select which account is being sent from by a drop down
> box.  Even
> > > > > > sending mail addressed as coming from yahoo.com via outlook
even
> > > > > > though can't receive pop via free yahoo accounts (this is
> > > > used for
> > > > > > web pages trying to submit forms via email.)  So I'm not
> > > > sure where
> > > > > > the idea this can't be done via outlook is coming from,
> > > > unless you
> > > > > > are talking outlook express, and then yes, it has "issues".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:38 AM
> > > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but
> > > > > recently my
> > > > > > > wife is getting more into email and that's thrown up what
> > > > > I think is
> > > > > > > a limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to
> > > > > both use the
> > > > > > > same email client and both see all incoming mail
> > > > > (personal stuff may
> > > > > > > be to either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc,
> > > > > but when we
> > > > > > > send an email we want to be able to determine which
> of us is the
> > > > > > > Sender and therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to
> > > > > each have
> > > > > > > our own signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't
> cater for
> > > > > > > this at all well. I can set her own profile up but that
> > > > separates
> > > > > > > us too much. If a friend happens to have written to my
email
> > > > > > > address themn my wife won't see it because it'll be in
> > > > my Inbox,
> > > > > > > and vice-versa. My question is: can what I'm describing
> > > > be done in
> > > > > > > another client such as Eudora?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> > > > > > > Website:
> > > > > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> > > > > Website:
> > > > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> > > ******************************************************************
> > > *****************
> > > "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of
> > > the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson
> > > Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged.  If you are
> > > not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
> > > disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this
> > > message is strictly prohibited.  If you have received this
> > > message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us
> > > immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic
> > > mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you
> > > are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email
> > > to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message.
> > Thank You".
> > > ******************************************************************
> > > *****************
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> > ******************************************************************
> > *****************
> > "This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of
> > the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson
> > Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged.  If you are
> > not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
> > disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this
> > message is strictly prohibited.  If you have received this
> > message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us
> > immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Tue May  6 14:59:59 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 15:59:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B66@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Interesting.  I'll give it a try.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco



-----Original Message-----
From: Lavsa, Rich [mailto:Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 3:55 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


To make that work without error, I think you can set up a Delegate in the
Tools|Options|Delegates(Tab) to allow others to send email on your behalf.

Rich

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 3:46 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


Thanks Neil but I get a "no permission to send from this account" error.  I
just found a way in the Options dialog that works though ("Have replies sent
to:" option).

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Neal Kling [mailto:nkling at co.montgomery.ny.us]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 2:35 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


Here is what worked for me in Outlook2K.  Open an email REPLY.  Click on
View: From Field.

Neal Kling
Lotus, isn't that some kind of fancy flower?


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:52 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


Now that you mention  it we use Office 97 but Outlook 2K.  I'm getting
my messages from my POP account but if I hit Reply (or New) there is no
Send Using command and no option in the Customize toolbar dialog that I
can see.  Maybe our Admin removed (or didn't intall) it?

Thanks anyway.  I guess I'll bail on this for now.

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:17 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients


Jim,
Sorry, I didn't think of this until this morning I'm thinking Office 97
but
am refferring to Outlook 98 (I don't know anyone who continued using 97
once
98 was released). Are you using 97 or 98?

With 98 you choose File | Send Using or as Charlotte mentioned, you have
to
customize the menu bar.

HTH JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 7:30 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
>
>
> Found it thanks.  When I create a new message I don't see an
> option to choose which account is sending or a "send from" drop
> down though.  Shouldn't I or can I only read my mail on this account?
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 3:56 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
>
>
> You must have the ability to add an internet account. If you are
> on a corp.
> system using exchange they may not allow it.
> You can add garbage as an "internet" account and then it should show
up.
> Just put in something like "test account" - "mail.test.com" for
> the incoming
> and outgoing servers and me at test.com. save it and it should be enough
to
> fake it into showing you. You could use real info too of course :o)
>
> Another trick you can do to share your info but not your setup is put
the
> .pst in a shared folder and use it from anywhere on your network.
> One or two
> people can get away with that.
>
> JB
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim
DeMarco
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:32 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > I see (or rather I don't).  I don't have 2 accounts set up so I
> > won't see it.  How to set up the second account?  Do I use Tools
> > | Services and if so which do I choose to add a POP account?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jim DeMarco
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:53 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> >
> >
> > In Outlook (97+) you should have a dropdown next to the send icon on
the
> > toolbar of a new message - but only if you have two accounts listed.
> >
> > In Outlook Express it is an extra row above the TO: field on a new
email
> > message.
> >
> > I have used Outlook to manage 6 different email accounts without
> > problems. I
> > don't use a standard sig on my messages though so each account
> has to pick
> > from the list or type it in. I customized the toolbar so the sig
> > icon is on
> > it. I still think Outlook is clunky though. If you don't have to use
it
> > there are better emailers out there!
> >
> > John B.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim
DeMarco
> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:34 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > Pardon the interruption but is this true in O97 too?  I don't see
> > > it anywhere.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Jim DeMarco
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:24 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > >
> > >
> > > Well in XP it's not quite that but basically you're dead
> right. It's not
> > > a dropdown on the Send but an Accounts dropdown right next to it.
How
> > > have I managed to use this program for years and never notice
> that? Many
> > > many thanks Keith.
> > >
> > > Andy Lacey
> > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:58
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Next to the send button you should see "Accounts" with a drop
> > > > down arrow, click on the arrow and select the account being
> > > > sent from and you should now see a status message at the top
> > > > saying "This message will be sent via XYZ"
> > > >
> > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > klk at ksu.edu
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:45 PM
> > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Keith
> > > > > No I'm using full Outlook. So ok I've set up a 2nd account.
> > > > > How, when creating email, do I select which account it's from?
> > > > >
> > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > > Sent: 05 May 2003 18:35
> > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Using Outlook for this just fine, have multiple email
> > > > accounts, can
> > > > > > select which account is being sent from by a drop down
> box.  Even
> > > > > > sending mail addressed as coming from yahoo.com via outlook
even
> > > > > > though can't receive pop via free yahoo accounts (this is
> > > > used for
> > > > > > web pages trying to submit forms via email.)  So I'm not
> > > > sure where
> > > > > > the idea this can't be done via outlook is coming from,
> > > > unless you
> > > > > > are talking outlook express, and then yes, it has "issues".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Keith L. Kovala
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:38 AM
> > > > > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but
> > > > > recently my
> > > > > > > wife is getting more into email and that's thrown up what
> > > > > I think is
> > > > > > > a limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to
> > > > > both use the
> > > > > > > same email client and both see all incoming mail
> > > > > (personal stuff may
> > > > > > > be to either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc,
> > > > > but when we
> > > > > > > send an email we want to be able to determine which
> of us is the
> > > > > > > Sender and therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to
> > > > > each have
> > > > > > > our own signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't
> cater for
> > > > > > > this at all well. I can set her own profile up but that
> > > > separates
> > > > > > > us too much. If a friend happens to have written to my
email
> > > > > > > address themn my wife won't see it because it'll be in
> > > > my Inbox,
> > > > > > > and vice-versa. My question is: can what I'm describing
> > > > be done in
> > > > > > > another client such as Eudora?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Andy Lacey
> > > > > > > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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> > message is strictly prohibited.  If you have received this
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> > are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email
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> the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson
> Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged.  If you are
> not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
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> message is strictly prohibited.  If you have received this
> message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us
> immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic
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> are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email
> to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message.  Thank
You".
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named recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting the
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contents of this message is strictly prohibited.  If you have received this
message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us
immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic mail address
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue May  6 15:14:29 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 22:14:29 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] FW: Query help please
In-Reply-To: <8213C1F49875D61195DA0002A5412A0301406EB9@mail.doe.state.fl.us>
References: <8213C1F49875D61195DA0002A5412A0301406EB9@mail.doe.state.fl.us>
Message-ID: <14748317867.20030506221429@cactus.dk>

Hi Susan

First, if you hadn't used html formatting the two messages could have
been sent as one ...

> ..  But then I found out that if there is no lodging, the report
> still has to show all of the entries in tblLodging.  Also if an
> event has not Singles or doubles, then singles and doubles still
> have to show on the report. .. 

Without going into details, I think what you need is two queries: one
selecting all the lodgins, one selecting those lodgings with
lodgingevents. Then, in a third query, combine these two queries with
an outer join.

/gustav


From mikedorism at ntelos.net  Tue May  6 15:33:15 2003
From: mikedorism at ntelos.net (Mike and Doris Manning)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 16:33:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
In-Reply-To: <000201c31406$ec697780$b274d0d5@andypc>
Message-ID: <001001c3140e$bc5ac9b0$83350cd8@hargrove.internal>

The best place to grab it right after the .AddNew

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 3:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


Sorry to disagree Drew but I think it's

rs.AddNew
rs!Myfield="Test"
etc
etc
rs.Update
rs.bookmark=rs.lastmodified
msgbox rs!MyAutoNumber
rs.close

I think you have to do the .bookmark line. Without that you're not on the
right record


Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk





> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: 06 May 2003 17:05
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> 
> 
> dim rs as recordset
> rs.AddNew
> rs.Field(1).value="Test"
> rs.Update
> msgbox rs.Field(0).value
> rs.close
> 
> 
> As soon as you update the new record, the Autonumber field is
> populated. (in my sample code above, the ID/AN is field 0).
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:53 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> 
> 
> In this thread a couple of months ago there was a solution
> offered to the problem of determining the value of an ID 
> Autonumber of a record just added.
> 
> 
> It was stunning in its simplicity, so of course I didn't
> write it down  ;-( 
> 
> Can anyone help?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Stephen Bond
> Otatara, New Zealand 
> ( tel 03 213 1256   fax 03 213 0123 
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Tue May  6 15:35:10 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 22:35:10 +0200 
Subject: [AccessD] OT XP strangenest
Message-ID: <104AB6116A2DD511A7580008C7097A98219771@AARDBEI>

This could be a simple basic default security setting that in NT/2K/XP pro.
A normal user has no right to install software printer etc..
This can be an deliberate thing of your IT devision.
 
The simplest way to change, add the problem user(s) to the local
administrator group.
Ofcourse you must be logged in as a local or domain administrator to do
this...
 
Erwin
 
 
 
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: AccessD [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca] 
Verzonden: zondag 21 juli 2002 6:22
Aan: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Onderwerp: Re: [AccessD] OT XP strangenest


Hi Tim:
 
Thanks for your help. Unfortunately, I got tired of waiting for the magic
bullet so I am in the process of re-installing. Anyway I am not sure any
programs would run reliably. (Most executables will freeze without any
messages.) Can not even boot off the CD as the 'NTLR' file is
missing...grrrr. It must be some kind of virus but according to McAffees and
Symantecs, no virus that matches those symptoms.
 
The next time I will keep your suggestion in mind.
 
Thanks for your help
Jim

----- Original Message ----- 
From: guitarman <mailto:guitarman at gfconsultants.com>  
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com <mailto:AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>  
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT XP strangenest

You might try to restore the computer to a previous date and time when you
know you could add programs. It's a quick fix and is under system tools I do
believe.. You don't loose any current work either.. although you may loose a
program you installed, but I'm not sure.. I know any files generated won't
be lost.. Such as docs, etc.. 
 
Hope that helps..
Tim

----- Original Message ----- 
From: AccessD <mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>  
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>  
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT XP strangenest

Hi Simon:
 
Good suggestion but I am logged on as the 'administrator'...
 
Thanks
Jim

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Simon  <mailto:sbryan at olmc.nsw.edu.au> Bryan 
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com <mailto:AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>  
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 6:50 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT XP strangenest

Checked security settings on the users?

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD-owner at databaseadvisors.com
<mailto:AccessD-owner at databaseadvisors.com>
[mailto:AccessD-owner at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of AccessD
Sent: Sunday, 21 July 2002 6:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
Subject: [AccessD] OT XP strangenest


OT request 
No Archive
 
Hi All:
 
This is an OT request but I am not sure who and where to ask and the group
is some of the most knowledgeable anywhere on the web.
 
I am having some weird problems on one of my XP pro computers. No programs
can be installed!
No local executables or internet programs requiring ActiveX components. 
 
As a number of individuals have been working on this system there is no way
to find out what took place; whether the situation was caused by a crashed
application, virus infection or dark MS system setting. I have traced every
program running, through the task manager, removed a number of 'spy'
programs from hard drive and registry. I have checked every run and loaded
code in the registries and there is nothing obvious.
 
HELP. Any resolutions, ideas or help sources would be greatly appreciated.
 
TIA
Jim 


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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Tue May  6 15:35:08 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 22:35:08 +0200 
Subject: [AccessD] OT XP strangenest
Message-ID: <104AB6116A2DD511A7580008C7097A98219770@AARDBEI>

Was to fast to reponse..
 
You are logged on as the administrator.
But still I can be right.
 
Is the computer in a domain, and if so, are you logged in as the DOMAIN
administrator?
 
 
 
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: AccessD [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca] 
Verzonden: zondag 21 juli 2002 6:22
Aan: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Onderwerp: Re: [AccessD] OT XP strangenest


Hi Tim:
 
Thanks for your help. Unfortunately, I got tired of waiting for the magic
bullet so I am in the process of re-installing. Anyway I am not sure any
programs would run reliably. (Most executables will freeze without any
messages.) Can not even boot off the CD as the 'NTLR' file is
missing...grrrr. It must be some kind of virus but according to McAffees and
Symantecs, no virus that matches those symptoms.
 
The next time I will keep your suggestion in mind.
 
Thanks for your help
Jim

----- Original Message ----- 
From: guitarman <mailto:guitarman at gfconsultants.com>  
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com <mailto:AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>  
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT XP strangenest

You might try to restore the computer to a previous date and time when you
know you could add programs. It's a quick fix and is under system tools I do
believe.. You don't loose any current work either.. although you may loose a
program you installed, but I'm not sure.. I know any files generated won't
be lost.. Such as docs, etc.. 
 
Hope that helps..
Tim

----- Original Message ----- 
From: AccessD <mailto:accessd at shaw.ca>  
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>  
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT XP strangenest

Hi Simon:
 
Good suggestion but I am logged on as the 'administrator'...
 
Thanks
Jim

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Simon  <mailto:sbryan at olmc.nsw.edu.au> Bryan 
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com <mailto:AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>  
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 6:50 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT XP strangenest

Checked security settings on the users?

-----Original Message-----
From: AccessD-owner at databaseadvisors.com
<mailto:AccessD-owner at databaseadvisors.com>
[mailto:AccessD-owner at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of AccessD
Sent: Sunday, 21 July 2002 6:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> 
Subject: [AccessD] OT XP strangenest


OT request 
No Archive
 
Hi All:
 
This is an OT request but I am not sure who and where to ask and the group
is some of the most knowledgeable anywhere on the web.
 
I am having some weird problems on one of my XP pro computers. No programs
can be installed!
No local executables or internet programs requiring ActiveX components. 
 
As a number of individuals have been working on this system there is no way
to find out what took place; whether the situation was caused by a crashed
application, virus infection or dark MS system setting. I have traced every
program running, through the task manager, removed a number of 'spy'
programs from hard drive and registry. I have checked every run and loaded
code in the registries and there is nothing obvious.
 
HELP. Any resolutions, ideas or help sources would be greatly appreciated.
 
TIA
Jim 


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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Tue May  6 15:52:38 2003
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 00:52:38 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Event Sink Performance Comparison
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C322@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <004801c31411$fdec7ec0$b501010a@DAISY.local>

Charlotte,

I guess event sinking will be faster than calling forms/subforms publis
methods if in the latter case you will use:

- Me.Parent!MyParentPublicSub ....
- Me![<MySubformControl>].Form.MySubFormPublicSub ...

i.e. later binding. If you will use early binding then I expect they be
nearly the same.
In any event the difference can be neglected I think - or you call these
methods 10000 times in a cycle?

Shamil

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: "Steve White" <swhite at infostatsystems.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 7:24 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Event Sink Performance Comparison


> OK you event sinking gurus--JC, Shamil, et al--do any of you have any
> performance comparison information on using event sinks as opposed to
> using direct calls to public methods of forms and subforms?  This is not
> a framework, merely a single form with about 12 subforms, one of which
> has a public method.  My instinct is that the differences would be
> miniscule with subforms raising a single event to a parent form, which
> then calls the public method of one of its subforms, as compared to each
> of the other subforms making a direct call into  the subform with the
> public method.  Will using this technique slow the form noticeably
> because of the overhead of the event sinks?  Can anyone shed some light
> on the actual differences?  This is Access 2002 converted from 97 and
> using the 2002 file format for the front end and we're only talking
> about execution speed, not maintainability or reusability issues.
>
> Charlotte Foust
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From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Tue May  6 16:00:59 2003
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 09:00:59 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
Message-ID: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F29038A74@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>

Drew, that's the one!  Have written it down this time.  Many thanks

Stephen Bond

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 4:05 a.m.
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


dim rs as recordset
rs.AddNew
rs.Field(1).value="Test"
rs.Update
msgbox rs.Field(0).value
rs.close


As soon as you update the new record, the Autonumber field is populated.
(in my sample code above, the ID/AN is field 0).

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:53 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


In this thread a couple of months ago there was a solution offered to the
problem of determining the value of an ID Autonumber of a record just added.


It was stunning in its simplicity, so of course I didn't write it down  ;-( 

Can anyone help?

TIA

Stephen Bond 
Otatara, New Zealand 
( tel 03 213 1256   fax 03 213 0123 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue May  6 16:04:22 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 14:04:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F0D@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Since at least A97, it's been available as soon as you add the new
record and before you update it.  You can read it from the recordset
without needing any bookmarks, etc.  It's only with SQL Server that it
becomes tricky.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike and Doris Manning [mailto:mikedorism at ntelos.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 12:33 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


The best place to grab it right after the .AddNew

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 3:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


Sorry to disagree Drew but I think it's

rs.AddNew
rs!Myfield="Test"
etc
etc
rs.Update
rs.bookmark=rs.lastmodified
msgbox rs!MyAutoNumber
rs.close

I think you have to do the .bookmark line. Without that you're not on
the right record


Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk





> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: 06 May 2003 17:05
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> 
> 
> dim rs as recordset
> rs.AddNew
> rs.Field(1).value="Test"
> rs.Update
> msgbox rs.Field(0).value
> rs.close
> 
> 
> As soon as you update the new record, the Autonumber field is 
> populated. (in my sample code above, the ID/AN is field 0).
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:53 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> 
> 
> In this thread a couple of months ago there was a solution offered to 
> the problem of determining the value of an ID Autonumber of a record 
> just added.
> 
> 
> It was stunning in its simplicity, so of course I didn't write it down

> ;-(
> 
> Can anyone help?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Stephen Bond
> Otatara, New Zealand 
> ( tel 03 213 1256   fax 03 213 0123 
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue May  6 16:04:36 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 22:04:36 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
In-Reply-To: <001001c3140e$bc5ac9b0$83350cd8@hargrove.internal>
Message-ID: <000e01c31413$199a90c0$b274d0d5@andypc>

Problem if the .update fails?

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mike and Doris Manning
> Sent: 06 May 2003 21:33
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> 
> 
> The best place to grab it right after the .AddNew
> 
> Doris Manning
> Database Administrator
> Hargrove Inc.
> www.hargroveinc.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 3:37 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> 
> 
> Sorry to disagree Drew but I think it's
> 
> rs.AddNew
> rs!Myfield="Test"
> etc
> etc
> rs.Update
> rs.bookmark=rs.lastmodified
> msgbox rs!MyAutoNumber
> rs.close
> 
> I think you have to do the .bookmark line. Without that 
> you're not on the right record
> 
> 
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Drew Wutka
> > Sent: 06 May 2003 17:05
> > To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> > 
> > 
> > dim rs as recordset
> > rs.AddNew
> > rs.Field(1).value="Test"
> > rs.Update
> > msgbox rs.Field(0).value
> > rs.close
> > 
> > 
> > As soon as you update the new record, the Autonumber field is 
> > populated. (in my sample code above, the ID/AN is field 0).
> > 
> > Drew
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz]
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:53 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> > 
> > 
> > In this thread a couple of months ago there was a solution 
> offered to 
> > the problem of determining the value of an ID Autonumber of 
> a record 
> > just added.
> > 
> > 
> > It was stunning in its simplicity, so of course I didn't 
> write it down  
> > ;-(
> > 
> > Can anyone help?
> > 
> > TIA
> > 
> > Stephen Bond
> > Otatara, New Zealand 
> > ( tel 03 213 1256   fax 03 213 0123 
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> > 
> > 
> 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue May  6 16:25:06 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 14:25:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F0E@infoserver01.infostat.local>

You can use an in-line subquery as if it were a table or a saved query:

SELECT T1.* FROM Table1 AS T1 INNER JOIN  [SELECT DISTINCT Table2.ID 
FROM Table2]. AS T2 on  T1.ID = T2.ID;

Does that explain it?  You have to use the square brackets followed by a
period to wrap the in-line subquery.  If you ever find it in help, for
goodness sake, post the reference here! 

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:37 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


Can I second that question? As you say, looking up subqueries in help
doesn't tell me. What do you mean?

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: 06 May 2003 17:30
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> 
> What's the [...] syntax?
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:19 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> 
> As I recall, the help files did NOT include anything on the
> [...] syntax.  I stumbled over that myself in 97 but never 
> found anything in the help files except on regular subqueries.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 8:09 AM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> 
> Actually, 'in-line' queries or subqueries are described in
> Access 97's help files.  Just look up SQL Subqueries, or just 
> subqueries.
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:12 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> 
> Hi Jim
> 
> > <Snip>
> > Those not familiar with the strange [..]. syntax may look up the 
> > archives for "SQL in-line subquery" <Snip>
> 
> > Since I was (am) unfamiliar with this concept, I did look it up. I 
> > have a few questions.
> 
> > 1.  Does this method run faster than a nested query?
> 
> A saved and compiled nested query may run faster. Haven't
> done any testing though.
> 
> > 2.  What are the pitfalls?
> 
> One is that no documentation is available as far as I know.
> 
> > 3.  What are the benefits?
> 
> That you can avoid temporary tables or subqueries. All code
> is in one query which is an advantage if you build it from VBA code.
> 
> /gustav
> 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue May  6 16:27:52 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 14:27:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F0F@infoserver01.infostat.local>

No, because that autonumber will still be assigned, there just won't be
a record to attach to it.  You can't do anything with it until the
record's been saved, but you can store it in a variable for later use.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:05 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


Problem if the .update fails?

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mike and Doris Manning
> Sent: 06 May 2003 21:33
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> 
> 
> The best place to grab it right after the .AddNew
> 
> Doris Manning
> Database Administrator
> Hargrove Inc.
> www.hargroveinc.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 3:37 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> 
> 
> Sorry to disagree Drew but I think it's
> 
> rs.AddNew
> rs!Myfield="Test"
> etc
> etc
> rs.Update
> rs.bookmark=rs.lastmodified
> msgbox rs!MyAutoNumber
> rs.close
> 
> I think you have to do the .bookmark line. Without that
> you're not on the right record
> 
> 
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Drew Wutka
> > Sent: 06 May 2003 17:05
> > To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> > 
> > 
> > dim rs as recordset
> > rs.AddNew
> > rs.Field(1).value="Test"
> > rs.Update
> > msgbox rs.Field(0).value
> > rs.close
> > 
> > 
> > As soon as you update the new record, the Autonumber field is
> > populated. (in my sample code above, the ID/AN is field 0).
> > 
> > Drew
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz]
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:53 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> > 
> > 
> > In this thread a couple of months ago there was a solution
> offered to
> > the problem of determining the value of an ID Autonumber of
> a record
> > just added.
> > 
> > 
> > It was stunning in its simplicity, so of course I didn't
> write it down
> > ;-(
> > 
> > Can anyone help?
> > 
> > TIA
> > 
> > Stephen Bond
> > Otatara, New Zealand 
> > ( tel 03 213 1256   fax 03 213 0123 
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From scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com  Tue May  6 16:34:55 2003
From: scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com (Steve Capistrant)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 16:34:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K Developers Toolkit
In-Reply-To: <004801c31411$fdec7ec0$b501010a@DAISY.local>
Message-ID: <MJEFLPNLACJJDBCHNLAGMEMFCCAA.scapistrant@symphonyinfo.com>

Would anyone be willing to sell their old A2K Developers Toolkit?  Not
available at any retail locations, of course.  We've got 97 and XP, but no
2000, and of course now a really specific need has cropped up.

Thanks!

Steve Capistrant
scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com
Phone: 612-333-1311
Symphony Information Services
www.symphonyinfo.com
212 3rd Ave N, Ste 404
Minneapolis, MN 55401



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue May  6 16:33:47 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 22:33:47 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F0E@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <001201c31417$2d8685e0$b274d0d5@andypc>

Got it. Thanks Charlotte. That one I'd better save.

Andy Lacey
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Charlotte Foust
> Sent: 06 May 2003 22:25
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> 
> You can use an in-line subquery as if it were a table or a 
> saved query:
> 
> SELECT T1.* FROM Table1 AS T1 INNER JOIN  [SELECT DISTINCT Table2.ID 
> FROM Table2]. AS T2 on  T1.ID = T2.ID;
> 
> Does that explain it?  You have to use the square brackets 
> followed by a period to wrap the in-line subquery.  If you 
> ever find it in help, for goodness sake, post the reference here! 
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:37 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> 
> Can I second that question? As you say, looking up subqueries 
> in help doesn't tell me. What do you mean?
> 
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Drew Wutka
> > Sent: 06 May 2003 17:30
> > To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> > 
> > 
> > What's the [...] syntax?
> > 
> > Drew
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:19 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> > 
> > 
> > As I recall, the help files did NOT include anything on the [...] 
> > syntax.  I stumbled over that myself in 97 but never found 
> anything in 
> > the help files except on regular subqueries.
> > 
> > Charlotte Foust
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 8:09 AM
> > To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> > 
> > 
> > Actually, 'in-line' queries or subqueries are described in 
> Access 97's 
> > help files.  Just look up SQL Subqueries, or just subqueries.
> > 
> > Drew
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:12 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Jim
> > 
> > > <Snip>
> > > Those not familiar with the strange [..]. syntax may look up the
> > > archives for "SQL in-line subquery" <Snip>
> > 
> > > Since I was (am) unfamiliar with this concept, I did look it up. I
> > > have a few questions.
> > 
> > > 1.  Does this method run faster than a nested query?
> > 
> > A saved and compiled nested query may run faster. Haven't done any 
> > testing though.
> > 
> > > 2.  What are the pitfalls?
> > 
> > One is that no documentation is available as far as I know.
> > 
> > > 3.  What are the benefits?
> > 
> > That you can avoid temporary tables or subqueries. All code 
> is in one 
> > query which is an advantage if you build it from VBA code.
> > 
> > /gustav
> > 
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue May  6 16:35:19 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 22:35:19 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F0F@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <001301c31417$643b0a20$b274d0d5@andypc>

Ok that's two things I learned today. Must be good. Thanks again.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Charlotte Foust
> Sent: 06 May 2003 22:28
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> 
> 
> No, because that autonumber will still be assigned, there 
> just won't be a record to attach to it.  You can't do 
> anything with it until the record's been saved, but you can 
> store it in a variable for later use.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:05 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> 
> 
> Problem if the .update fails?
> 
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Mike and Doris Manning
> > Sent: 06 May 2003 21:33
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> > 
> > 
> > The best place to grab it right after the .AddNew
> > 
> > Doris Manning
> > Database Administrator
> > Hargrove Inc.
> > www.hargroveinc.com
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Andy Lacey
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 3:37 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> > 
> > 
> > Sorry to disagree Drew but I think it's
> > 
> > rs.AddNew
> > rs!Myfield="Test"
> > etc
> > etc
> > rs.Update
> > rs.bookmark=rs.lastmodified
> > msgbox rs!MyAutoNumber
> > rs.close
> > 
> > I think you have to do the .bookmark line. Without that 
> you're not on 
> > the right record
> > 
> > 
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Drew Wutka
> > > Sent: 06 May 2003 17:05
> > > To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> > > 
> > > 
> > > dim rs as recordset
> > > rs.AddNew
> > > rs.Field(1).value="Test"
> > > rs.Update
> > > msgbox rs.Field(0).value
> > > rs.close
> > > 
> > > 
> > > As soon as you update the new record, the Autonumber field is 
> > > populated. (in my sample code above, the ID/AN is field 0).
> > > 
> > > Drew
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz]
> > > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:53 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> > > 
> > > 
> > > In this thread a couple of months ago there was a solution
> > offered to
> > > the problem of determining the value of an ID Autonumber of
> > a record
> > > just added.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > It was stunning in its simplicity, so of course I didn't
> > write it down
> > > ;-(
> > > 
> > > Can anyone help?
> > > 
> > > TIA
> > > 
> > > Stephen Bond
> > > Otatara, New Zealand 
> > > ( tel 03 213 1256   fax 03 213 0123 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
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> > > 
> > > 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue May  6 16:43:37 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 16:43:37 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B0D@main2.marlow.com>

Um nope....at least not in ADO, and I am 99.99999% sure it's the same in
DAO.  If you think about it, when you update a record (single update), you
are already on that record, no need to move or find it, it's there.  

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 2:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


Sorry to disagree Drew but I think it's

rs.AddNew
rs!Myfield="Test"
etc
etc
rs.Update
rs.bookmark=rs.lastmodified
msgbox rs!MyAutoNumber
rs.close

I think you have to do the .bookmark line. Without that you're not on
the right record


Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk





> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: 06 May 2003 17:05
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> 
> 
> dim rs as recordset
> rs.AddNew
> rs.Field(1).value="Test"
> rs.Update
> msgbox rs.Field(0).value
> rs.close
> 
> 
> As soon as you update the new record, the Autonumber field is 
> populated. (in my sample code above, the ID/AN is field 0).
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:53 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> 
> 
> In this thread a couple of months ago there was a solution 
> offered to the problem of determining the value of an ID 
> Autonumber of a record just added.
> 
> 
> It was stunning in its simplicity, so of course I didn't 
> write it down  ;-( 
> 
> Can anyone help?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Stephen Bond 
> Otatara, New Zealand 
> ( tel 03 213 1256   fax 03 213 0123 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue May  6 16:43:52 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 07:43:52 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT:Turning off Internet Access in Win2000
In-Reply-To: <Law14-F65O3ausqu6dQ00019ac3@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3EB8B938.13663.12AE76@localhost>

On 6 May 2003 at 15:40, Julie Reardon-Taylor wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> I'm pulling my hair out trying to find a way to turn off Internet
> access to our manufacturing personnel as requested by management.  So
> far, I've determined that the option must reside in the local security
> settings on the individual machines.  Can anyone help me?
> 
> 
What OS and is your network Workgroup or Domain based?
Do you mean by machine or by user?
How are your network addresses assigned (DHCP or fixed)?
Are you using a local Proxy Server?

If you are using fixed addresses, deleting any "Default Gateway" 
setting in their TCP/IP should stop the machine from going outside 
the local network. That's the simplest way by far.





-- 
Lexacorp Ltd
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue May  6 16:44:21 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 16:44:21 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] OT:Turning off Internet Access in Win2000
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B0E@main2.marlow.com>

Setup private IP Addresses, and go through a proxy.  Proxies can be easily
setup to allow, or disallow based on NT name or IP Address.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Julie Reardon-Taylor [mailto:prosoft6 at hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 2:41 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT:Turning off Internet Access in Win2000


Hi All,

I'm pulling my hair out trying to find a way to turn off Internet access to 
our manufacturing personnel as requested by management.  So far, I've 
determined that the option must reside in the local security settings on the

individual machines.  Can anyone help me?



Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
www.pro-soft.net




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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue May  6 16:45:39 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 16:45:39 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B0F@main2.marlow.com>

Just would have to be handled with an error handler....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 4:05 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


Problem if the .update fails?

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mike and Doris Manning
> Sent: 06 May 2003 21:33
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> 
> 
> The best place to grab it right after the .AddNew
> 
> Doris Manning
> Database Administrator
> Hargrove Inc.
> www.hargroveinc.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 3:37 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> 
> 
> Sorry to disagree Drew but I think it's
> 
> rs.AddNew
> rs!Myfield="Test"
> etc
> etc
> rs.Update
> rs.bookmark=rs.lastmodified
> msgbox rs!MyAutoNumber
> rs.close
> 
> I think you have to do the .bookmark line. Without that 
> you're not on the right record
> 
> 
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Drew Wutka
> > Sent: 06 May 2003 17:05
> > To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> > 
> > 
> > dim rs as recordset
> > rs.AddNew
> > rs.Field(1).value="Test"
> > rs.Update
> > msgbox rs.Field(0).value
> > rs.close
> > 
> > 
> > As soon as you update the new record, the Autonumber field is 
> > populated. (in my sample code above, the ID/AN is field 0).
> > 
> > Drew
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz]
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:53 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> > 
> > 
> > In this thread a couple of months ago there was a solution 
> offered to 
> > the problem of determining the value of an ID Autonumber of 
> a record 
> > just added.
> > 
> > 
> > It was stunning in its simplicity, so of course I didn't 
> write it down  
> > ;-(
> > 
> > Can anyone help?
> > 
> > TIA
> > 
> > Stephen Bond
> > Otatara, New Zealand 
> > ( tel 03 213 1256   fax 03 213 0123 
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
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> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> > 
> 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue May  6 16:49:35 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 16:49:35 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B10@main2.marlow.com>

Oh, I see.  The help files do show how to use them as a field or in Where
clauses....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 4:25 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


You can use an in-line subquery as if it were a table or a saved query:

SELECT T1.* FROM Table1 AS T1 INNER JOIN  [SELECT DISTINCT Table2.ID 
FROM Table2]. AS T2 on  T1.ID = T2.ID;

Does that explain it?  You have to use the square brackets followed by a
period to wrap the in-line subquery.  If you ever find it in help, for
goodness sake, post the reference here! 

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:37 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


Can I second that question? As you say, looking up subqueries in help
doesn't tell me. What do you mean?

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: 06 May 2003 17:30
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> 
> What's the [...] syntax?
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:19 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> 
> As I recall, the help files did NOT include anything on the
> [...] syntax.  I stumbled over that myself in 97 but never 
> found anything in the help files except on regular subqueries.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 8:09 AM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> 
> Actually, 'in-line' queries or subqueries are described in
> Access 97's help files.  Just look up SQL Subqueries, or just 
> subqueries.
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:12 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> 
> Hi Jim
> 
> > <Snip>
> > Those not familiar with the strange [..]. syntax may look up the 
> > archives for "SQL in-line subquery" <Snip>
> 
> > Since I was (am) unfamiliar with this concept, I did look it up. I 
> > have a few questions.
> 
> > 1.  Does this method run faster than a nested query?
> 
> A saved and compiled nested query may run faster. Haven't
> done any testing though.
> 
> > 2.  What are the pitfalls?
> 
> One is that no documentation is available as far as I know.
> 
> > 3.  What are the benefits?
> 
> That you can avoid temporary tables or subqueries. All code
> is in one query which is an advantage if you build it from VBA code.
> 
> /gustav
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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Tue May  6 17:42:35 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 08:12:35 +0930 
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A01C@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

Jet 4.0 supports @@Identity.  Therefore if you are inserting your record in
code using ADO then it will work fine.

Cheers,
Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 2:01 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


I don't think that works in MDBs, which I assume Stephen meant, else he
would have posted on the SQL list.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Haslett, Andrew
Sent: May 6, 2003 12:09 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


SELECT @@IDENTITY

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz]
Sent: Tuesday, 6 May 2003 12:23 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


In this thread a couple of months ago there was a solution offered to the
problem of determining the value of an ID Autonumber of a record just added.


It was stunning in its simplicity, so of course I didn't write it down  ;-( 

Can anyone help?

TIA

Stephen Bond 
Otatara, New Zealand 
( tel 03 213 1256   fax 03 213 0123 
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From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Tue May  6 19:12:33 2003
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 12:12:33 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
Message-ID: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F298EBA@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>

Andrew, just to complete the knowledge flowing freely here (great stuff), if I've used a SQL statement to INSERT the new record, can I use @@Identity (and how)?

Thanks
Stephen Bond 

-----Original Message-----
From: Haslett, Andrew [mailto:andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au]
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 10:43 a.m.
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


Jet 4.0 supports @@Identity.  Therefore if you are inserting your record in
code using ADO then it will work fine.

Cheers,
Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 2:01 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


I don't think that works in MDBs, which I assume Stephen meant, else he
would have posted on the SQL list.

Arthur

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Haslett, Andrew
Sent: May 6, 2003 12:09 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


SELECT @@IDENTITY

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz]
Sent: Tuesday, 6 May 2003 12:23 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


In this thread a couple of months ago there was a solution offered to the
problem of determining the value of an ID Autonumber of a record just added.


It was stunning in its simplicity, so of course I didn't write it down  ;-( 

Can anyone help?

TIA

Stephen Bond 
Otatara, New Zealand 
( tel 03 213 1256   fax 03 213 0123 
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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Tue May  6 19:58:09 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 10:28:09 +0930 
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A021@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

Sure. 

Create a table (table1) with two fields (ID: Autonumber, Field1: Text)

Paste this code into a module and away you go:

******************************************************************

Sub TestIdentity()

    Dim conn As ADODB.Connection, rs As ADODB.Recordset
    Set conn = CurrentProject.Connection

    strSQL = "INSERT INTO table1 (field1) VALUES ('SomeValue')"
    conn.Execute strSQL

    strSQL = "SELECT @@Identity"
    Set rs = conn.Execute(strSQL)

    intID = rs.Fields.Item(0).Value

    Debug.Print intID
    
    rs.Close
    conn.Close

End Sub

******************************************************************

Cheers,
Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz]
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 9:43 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


Andrew, just to complete the knowledge flowing freely here (great stuff), if
I've used a SQL statement to INSERT the new record, can I use @@Identity
(and how)?

Thanks
Stephen Bond 

-----Original Message-----
From: Haslett, Andrew [mailto:andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au]
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 10:43 a.m.
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


Jet 4.0 supports @@Identity.  Therefore if you are inserting your record in
code using ADO then it will work fine.

Cheers,
Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 2:01 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


I don't think that works in MDBs, which I assume Stephen meant, else he
would have posted on the SQL list.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Haslett, Andrew
Sent: May 6, 2003 12:09 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


SELECT @@IDENTITY

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz]
Sent: Tuesday, 6 May 2003 12:23 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


In this thread a couple of months ago there was a solution offered to the
problem of determining the value of an ID Autonumber of a record just added.


It was stunning in its simplicity, so of course I didn't write it down  ;-( 

Can anyone help?

TIA

Stephen Bond 
Otatara, New Zealand 
( tel 03 213 1256   fax 03 213 0123 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue May  6 22:07:45 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 20:07:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT:Turning off Internet Access in Win2000
In-Reply-To: <Law14-F65O3ausqu6dQ00019ac3@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFKENHCHAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Julie:

You have to do it all at the Windows2000 server end, in the IIS, hopefully
5.x. This is where you can create sites, re-direct, set access privileges
etc.. etc.

The main module that does all the setting is called Computer Management. In
there you set up the users, add to users to name groups, set their
privileges, the local Users and Groups section then on to the Internet
Informations Services, where you set up sites and virtual sites and if those
sites are to be accessed from the web, back to the DNS section, your server
and the Forward looking Zones. In the Forward looking Zones is where you
setup your sub web directories. Example: http://julie.pro-soft.net or
http://managers.pro-soft.net.

There can be dozens of site created each with their own rights and
privileges. If you are not hosting your own domain then you have to add an
entry for each sub web directory at the ISP Domain host like 'julie' and
'managers'. If you are only doing internal stuff (intranet) the previous
sentence can be ignored.

There, as you might imagine is a whole bunch of little pieces but this
should get you started.

HTH
Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Julie
Reardon-Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 12:41 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT:Turning off Internet Access in Win2000


Hi All,

I'm pulling my hair out trying to find a way to turn off Internet access to
our manufacturing personnel as requested by management.  So far, I've
determined that the option must reside in the local security settings on the
individual machines.  Can anyone help me?



Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
www.pro-soft.net




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From david.powell at bbm.wapl.com.au  Wed May  7 00:10:31 2003
From: david.powell at bbm.wapl.com.au (Powell, David (BBM))
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 13:10:31 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] 
	Accessing individual cell information from excel with an ADO
	connection
Message-ID: <1C66E1A38F4E22499CE329884E3FA8B10207F138@WAPLMAIL.wapl.com.au>

Hi,

I am trying to collate relevant data which is entered into a vast number
of excel spreadsheets into one centralised access database.  Can someone
please point me in  the right direction on how to reference a cell to
copy to a table field.


TIA

> David
> 
> 


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed May  7 00:30:55 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 00:30:55 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD]  Accessing individual cell information from excel w
	ith an ADO connection
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B11@main2.marlow.com>

Select `MyCellsTitle`
>From `Sheet1$`

That SQL will open a recordset with only one row.  (Of course the row needs
to have a header titled MyCellsTitle (whatever is in the first row).

To open a ADO connection object for an excel spreadsheet:

With cnnExcel
    .Provider = "Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
    .Properties("Extended Properties") = "Excel 8.0"
End With
cnnExcel.Open strPath

-----Original Message-----
From: Powell, David (BBM)
To: AccessD
Sent: 5/7/03 12:10 AM
Subject: [AccessD]  Accessing individual cell information from excel with an
ADO connection

Hi, 

I am trying to collate relevant data which is entered into a vast number
of excel spreadsheets into one centralised access database.  Can someone
please point me in  the right direction on how to reference a cell to
copy to a table field.


TIA 

David 




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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed May  7 01:15:57 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 07:15:57 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B0D@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <001901c31460$1fe4a540$b274d0d5@andypc>

Just tried it Drew. I ran your code to add a third record to an existing
table and the msgbox reported the contents of the first record not the
new one. Do you get something different? This is A97.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: 06 May 2003 22:44
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> 
> 
> Um nope....at least not in ADO, and I am 99.99999% sure it's 
> the same in DAO.  If you think about it, when you update a 
> record (single update), you are already on that record, no 
> need to move or find it, it's there.  
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 2:37 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> 
> 
> Sorry to disagree Drew but I think it's
> 
> rs.AddNew
> rs!Myfield="Test"
> etc
> etc
> rs.Update
> rs.bookmark=rs.lastmodified
> msgbox rs!MyAutoNumber
> rs.close
> 
> I think you have to do the .bookmark line. Without that 
> you're not on the right record
> 
> 
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Drew Wutka
> > Sent: 06 May 2003 17:05
> > To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> > 
> > 
> > dim rs as recordset
> > rs.AddNew
> > rs.Field(1).value="Test"
> > rs.Update
> > msgbox rs.Field(0).value
> > rs.close
> > 
> > 
> > As soon as you update the new record, the Autonumber field is
> > populated. (in my sample code above, the ID/AN is field 0).
> > 
> > Drew
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz]
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:53 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> > 
> > 
> > In this thread a couple of months ago there was a solution
> > offered to the problem of determining the value of an ID 
> > Autonumber of a record just added.
> > 
> > 
> > It was stunning in its simplicity, so of course I didn't
> > write it down  ;-( 
> > 
> > Can anyone help?
> > 
> > TIA
> > 
> > Stephen Bond
> > Otatara, New Zealand 
> > ( tel 03 213 1256   fax 03 213 0123 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed May  7 02:50:31 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 09:50:31 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F0E@infoserver01.infostat.local>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F0E@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <1782187054.20030507095031@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

> ..  If you ever find it in help, for goodness sake, post the
> reference here! 

I would say: if you ever find any reference to this, post it here.

/gustav


From david.powell at bbm.wapl.com.au  Wed May  7 03:00:29 2003
From: david.powell at bbm.wapl.com.au (Powell, David (BBM))
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 16:00:29 +0800
Subject: [AccessD]  Accessing individual cell information from excel with
	an ADO connection
Message-ID: <1C66E1A38F4E22499CE329884E3FA8B1406B99@WAPLMAIL.wapl.com.au>

Thanks Drew for the VERY quick reply.  Just one problem though.  The SQL
part doesn't work.  This is how I have set up my code thus far:

  Dim cnn As New ADODB.Connection
  Dim rs As ADODB.Recordset
  With cnn
    .Provider = "Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
    .Properties("Extended Properties") = "Excel 8.0"
    .Open "C:\MyPath\MyXLSpreadsheet.xls"
  End With
  Set rs = New ADODB.Recordset
  rs.Open "SELECT MyCellTitle From MAY03", cnn, adOpenDynamic,
adLockOptimistic

If I add a $ to the end of MAY03 in the select statement as suggested, I
get an error "syntax error in FROM clause"  If I remove the $ I get an
error "The Microsoft Jet database engine could not find the object
'MAY03'

I have successfully connected to another spreadsheet and succeeded, but
created a new spreadsheet from scratch and have the same results as the
first one.  Any idea why I can't connect to this spreadsheet?


Regards

David


-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 1:31 PM
To: 'AccessD '
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Accessing individual cell information from excel
with an ADO connection


Select `MyCellsTitle`
>From `Sheet1$`

That SQL will open a recordset with only one row.  (Of course the row
needs to have a header titled MyCellsTitle (whatever is in the first
row).

To open a ADO connection object for an excel spreadsheet:

With cnnExcel
    .Provider = "Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
    .Properties("Extended Properties") = "Excel 8.0"
End With
cnnExcel.Open strPath

-----Original Message-----
From: Powell, David (BBM)
To: AccessD
Sent: 5/7/03 12:10 AM
Subject: [AccessD]  Accessing individual cell information from excel
with an ADO connection

Hi, 

I am trying to collate relevant data which is entered into a vast number
of excel spreadsheets into one centralised access database.  Can someone
please point me in  the right direction on how to reference a cell to
copy to a table field.


TIA 

David 




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From tracy at ak.planet.gen.nz  Wed May  7 03:21:30 2003
From: tracy at ak.planet.gen.nz (Tracy)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 20:21:30 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Table links using MySQL
References: <029101c313ed$66ba7b20$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <007401c31471$aa6c7380$8c4114ca@Notebook>

MessageHi Arthur
The datafile will be a Windoze box (running XP Pro).
My concern is that for some reason the data file isn't accessable - then how can you deal with it at the Program file end (if the back end was an Access mdb - i'd just test the linked table, then go into a relinker routine if the link failed)  - what can you do with a MySQL backend ?

Cheers Tracy

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Arthur Fuller 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 4:34 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Table links using MySQL


  A little more info is required, Tracy. Where does the MySQL db live? On a linux box or Windoze? If the latter, is it a server that you have to anticipate will be down? Or is your problem that somebody might put the db on another server? As for me, given my druthers, since I'm using MySQL anyway I'd put it on a linux box and hook in from there (since linux hardly ever needs to be restarted).

  Arthur
  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tracy
  Sent: May 6, 2003 4:12 AM
  To: Access List
  Subject: [AccessD] Table links using MySQL


    Hi Listers
    Thought I'd ask:
    If the MyODBC is set up correctly on the PC with the backend MySQL data file, is there a need to test the connection during the opening of the Access Frontend ?
    Or would the MySQL always be accessable ?

    If the MySQL data file isn't available - how do you go about relinking the files to the MySQL data file ?

    Cheers Tracy


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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Wed May  7 03:54:26 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 18:24:26 +0930 
Subject: [AccessD]  Accessing individual cell information from excel w
	ith an ADO connection
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A032@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

Is it the same version as the old one (ie. Excel 8.0) ???

Cheers,
A

-----Original Message-----
From: Powell, David (BBM) [mailto:david.powell at bbm.wapl.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 5:30 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Accessing individual cell information from excel
with an ADO connection


Thanks Drew for the VERY quick reply.  Just one problem though.  The SQL
part doesn't work.  This is how I have set up my code thus far:

  Dim cnn As New ADODB.Connection
  Dim rs As ADODB.Recordset
  With cnn
    .Provider = "Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
    .Properties("Extended Properties") = "Excel 8.0"
    .Open "C:\MyPath\MyXLSpreadsheet.xls"
  End With
  Set rs = New ADODB.Recordset
  rs.Open "SELECT MyCellTitle From MAY03", cnn, adOpenDynamic,
adLockOptimistic

If I add a $ to the end of MAY03 in the select statement as suggested, I
get an error "syntax error in FROM clause"  If I remove the $ I get an
error "The Microsoft Jet database engine could not find the object
'MAY03'

I have successfully connected to another spreadsheet and succeeded, but
created a new spreadsheet from scratch and have the same results as the
first one.  Any idea why I can't connect to this spreadsheet?


Regards

David


-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 1:31 PM
To: 'AccessD '
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Accessing individual cell information from excel
with an ADO connection


Select `MyCellsTitle`
>From `Sheet1$`

That SQL will open a recordset with only one row.  (Of course the row
needs to have a header titled MyCellsTitle (whatever is in the first
row).

To open a ADO connection object for an excel spreadsheet:

With cnnExcel
    .Provider = "Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
    .Properties("Extended Properties") = "Excel 8.0"
End With
cnnExcel.Open strPath

-----Original Message-----
From: Powell, David (BBM)
To: AccessD
Sent: 5/7/03 12:10 AM
Subject: [AccessD]  Accessing individual cell information from excel
with an ADO connection

Hi, 

I am trying to collate relevant data which is entered into a vast number
of excel spreadsheets into one centralised access database.  Can someone
please point me in  the right direction on how to reference a cell to
copy to a table field.


TIA 

David 




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From MarkH at bitgen.co.uk  Wed May  7 03:58:21 2003
From: MarkH at bitgen.co.uk (Mark H)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 09:58:21 +0100
Subject: [AccessD]  Accessing individual cell information from excel
	withan ADO connection
In-Reply-To: <1C66E1A38F4E22499CE329884E3FA8B1406B99@WAPLMAIL.wapl.com.au>
Message-ID: <000a01c31476$cf814d80$950d6bd5@netboxxp>

You need to use the connections connection string, not the connection
itself


	rs.Open "SELECT MyCellTitle From MAY03", cnn.connectionstring,
adOpenDynamic, adLockOptimistic

I think :o)

mark


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Powell, David
(BBM)
Sent: 07 May 2003 09:00
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Accessing individual cell information from excel
withan ADO connection


Thanks Drew for the VERY quick reply.  Just one problem though.  The SQL
part doesn't work.  This is how I have set up my code thus far:

  Dim cnn As New ADODB.Connection
  Dim rs As ADODB.Recordset
  With cnn
    .Provider = "Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
    .Properties("Extended Properties") = "Excel 8.0"
    .Open "C:\MyPath\MyXLSpreadsheet.xls"
  End With
  Set rs = New ADODB.Recordset
  rs.Open "SELECT MyCellTitle From MAY03", cnn, adOpenDynamic,
adLockOptimistic

If I add a $ to the end of MAY03 in the select statement as suggested, I
get an error "syntax error in FROM clause"  If I remove the $ I get an
error "The Microsoft Jet database engine could not find the object
'MAY03'

I have successfully connected to another spreadsheet and succeeded, but
created a new spreadsheet from scratch and have the same results as the
first one.  Any idea why I can't connect to this spreadsheet?


Regards

David


-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 1:31 PM
To: 'AccessD '
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Accessing individual cell information from excel
with an ADO connection


Select `MyCellsTitle`
>From `Sheet1$`

That SQL will open a recordset with only one row.  (Of course the row
needs to have a header titled MyCellsTitle (whatever is in the first
row).

To open a ADO connection object for an excel spreadsheet:

With cnnExcel
    .Provider = "Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
    .Properties("Extended Properties") = "Excel 8.0"
End With
cnnExcel.Open strPath

-----Original Message-----
From: Powell, David (BBM)
To: AccessD
Sent: 5/7/03 12:10 AM
Subject: [AccessD]  Accessing individual cell information from excel
with an ADO connection

Hi, 

I am trying to collate relevant data which is entered into a vast number
of excel spreadsheets into one centralised access database.  Can someone
please point me in  the right direction on how to reference a cell to
copy to a table field.


TIA 

David 




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From Susan.Klos at fldoe.org  Wed May  7 07:30:51 2003
From: Susan.Klos at fldoe.org (Klos, Susan)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 08:30:51 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] FW: Query help please
Message-ID: <8213C1F49875D61195DA0002A5412A0301406EBC@mail.doe.state.fl.us>

Gustav, sorry, I didn't know about the html thing.  
What you suggested isn't working either.  What happens is that as soon as an
entry is made in tlnkLodgingEvent under any eventId, that seems to knock out
the corresponding record from tblLodging.  i.e. There are records for
Singles and doubles for various events.  Now when I do the outer join query
and want to see all records from an event that only has singles, I get the
singles from tlnklodgingevent, and all records from tblLodging except
doubles.  

I thought about trying to add invoiceno:[forms]![frmEvent]![InvoiceNo] to
the tblLodging query, but when I run it I get a square in the field instead
of the invoice number.

I feel I have to put invoice number on the records that do not have eventids
for the particular event so all lodging types will show up on the subreport.
Maybe I am putting the invoice number on the records at the wrong time.  

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 4:14 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Query help please


Hi Susan

First, if you hadn't used html formatting the two messages could have
been sent as one ...

> ..  But then I found out that if there is no lodging, the report
> still has to show all of the entries in tblLodging.  Also if an
> event has not Singles or doubles, then singles and doubles still
> have to show on the report. .. 

Without going into details, I think what you need is two queries: one
selecting all the lodgins, one selecting those lodgings with
lodgingevents. Then, in a third query, combine these two queries with
an outer join.

/gustav

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From nkling at co.montgomery.ny.us  Wed May  7 07:29:46 2003
From: nkling at co.montgomery.ny.us (Neal Kling)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 08:29:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT:Turning off Internet Access in Win2000
Message-ID: <0EAA9F4906BA554FA26E6F9F2C540302025684@elmo.co.montgomery.ny.us>

As others have pointed out the best way to do this would be with a proxy
server.  However, if you don't have one I found this other way to do it
locally on the machines.

http://searchwin2000.techtarget.com/tip/1,289483,sid1_gci778764,00.html

Neal Kling


-----Original Message-----
From: Julie Reardon-Taylor [mailto:prosoft6 at hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 3:41 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT:Turning off Internet Access in Win2000


Hi All,

I'm pulling my hair out trying to find a way to turn off Internet access
to 
our manufacturing personnel as requested by management.  So far, I've 
determined that the option must reside in the local security settings on
the 
individual machines.  Can anyone help me?



Julie Reardon-Taylor
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Wed May  7 07:40:04 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 08:40:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD]  Accessing individual cell information from excel
    withan ADO connection
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B6B@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

David,

Wrap the sheet name in square brackets ([ ]) and you probably will have to suffix the "$" as well.  I tried it without these and got the same error.  Added them and I got a record count back from my Excel sheet.

See M$KB 278973 for more http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;278973

HTH,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: Powell, David (BBM) [mailto:david.powell at bbm.wapl.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 4:00 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Accessing individual cell information from excel
withan ADO connection


Thanks Drew for the VERY quick reply.  Just one problem though.  The SQL
part doesn't work.  This is how I have set up my code thus far:

  Dim cnn As New ADODB.Connection
  Dim rs As ADODB.Recordset
  With cnn
    .Provider = "Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
    .Properties("Extended Properties") = "Excel 8.0"
    .Open "C:\MyPath\MyXLSpreadsheet.xls"
  End With
  Set rs = New ADODB.Recordset
  rs.Open "SELECT MyCellTitle From MAY03", cnn, adOpenDynamic,
adLockOptimistic

If I add a $ to the end of MAY03 in the select statement as suggested, I
get an error "syntax error in FROM clause"  If I remove the $ I get an
error "The Microsoft Jet database engine could not find the object
'MAY03'

I have successfully connected to another spreadsheet and succeeded, but
created a new spreadsheet from scratch and have the same results as the
first one.  Any idea why I can't connect to this spreadsheet?


Regards

David


-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 1:31 PM
To: 'AccessD '
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Accessing individual cell information from excel
with an ADO connection


Select `MyCellsTitle`
>From `Sheet1$`

That SQL will open a recordset with only one row.  (Of course the row
needs to have a header titled MyCellsTitle (whatever is in the first
row).

To open a ADO connection object for an excel spreadsheet:

With cnnExcel
    .Provider = "Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
    .Properties("Extended Properties") = "Excel 8.0"
End With
cnnExcel.Open strPath

-----Original Message-----
From: Powell, David (BBM)
To: AccessD
Sent: 5/7/03 12:10 AM
Subject: [AccessD]  Accessing individual cell information from excel
with an ADO connection

Hi, 

I am trying to collate relevant data which is entered into a vast number
of excel spreadsheets into one centralised access database.  Can someone
please point me in  the right direction on how to reference a cell to
copy to a table field.


TIA 

David 




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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed May  7 07:47:17 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 08:47:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Creating a new asp project in .net
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEMIDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I am trying to set up a new .asp project in .net.  The docs state that IIS
has to be running on the local machine, but they also imply that you can
somehow make this happen running on a server on another machine.  I have IIS
running on my server machine, and am trying to get the project to understand
a directory on that machine as the project directory.  I am getting an error
message that:

"Unable to create directory... blah blah... The unc share
\\C2DbServer\D2DbWeb\ does not exist or you do not have access to it."

It in fact does exist.  One of the docs says that the administrator and the
system have to have full permissions on that dir, so I specifically went in
and set it up such that they did.  Still no joy.

If anyone has done this before, can you pipe up and tell me what I may be
doing wrong.  Again, I want to create an ASP project, using Visual Studio
.net running on my development machine, with the project located in a
directory on my server, and controlled by IIS running on my server.

Thanks,

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From artful at rogers.com  Wed May  7 07:52:48 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 08:52:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Table links using MySQL
In-Reply-To: <007401c31471$aa6c7380$8c4114ca@Notebook>
Message-ID: <035801c31497$903e3900$8e01a8c0@Rock>

I don't know. I'll do some experiments this morning and get back to you.
 
Arthur

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tracy
Sent: May 7, 2003 4:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Table links using MySQL


Hi Arthur
The datafile will be a Windoze box (running XP Pro).
My concern is that for some reason the data file isn't accessable - then how
can you deal with it at the Program file end (if the back end was an Access
mdb - i'd just test the linked table, then go into a relinker routine if the
link failed)  - what can you do with a MySQL backend ?
 
Cheers Tracy
 

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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Wed May  7 07:55:34 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 08:55:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] RE: [dba-VB] OT: Creating a new asp project in .net
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B6C@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

John,

No good news here but I want to tell you I was getting the same error when I tried to create a new ASP.NET app (or web service) on my office PC running IIS locally.  Then one day we had a consultant in who knows .NET and I was showing him my problem and miraculously it created the ASP.NET application!  I know this does not help you but I had this problem for months and I cannot tell you what made it go away.  I installed VS.NET on two systems previous to this and did not encounter this situation until I put it on a box where I really needed it.

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 8:47 AM
To: VBA; AccessD
Subject: [dba-VB] OT: Creating a new asp project in .net


I am trying to set up a new .asp project in .net.  The docs state that IIS
has to be running on the local machine, but they also imply that you can
somehow make this happen running on a server on another machine.  I have IIS
running on my server machine, and am trying to get the project to understand
a directory on that machine as the project directory.  I am getting an error
message that:

"Unable to create directory... blah blah... The unc share
\\C2DbServer\D2DbWeb\ does not exist or you do not have access to it."

It in fact does exist.  One of the docs says that the administrator and the
system have to have full permissions on that dir, so I specifically went in
and set it up such that they did.  Still no joy.

If anyone has done this before, can you pipe up and tell me what I may be
doing wrong.  Again, I want to create an ASP project, using Visual Studio
.net running on my development machine, with the project located in a
directory on my server, and controlled by IIS running on my server.

Thanks,

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed May  7 08:23:44 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 09:23:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Creating a new asp project in .net
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEMIDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEMKDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Well, I installed iis on my workstation and the asp project just created
with no problem.  I still need to know how to do so on a remote server (an
IIS server on my network).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 8:47 AM
To: VBA; AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Creating a new asp project in .net


I am trying to set up a new .asp project in .net.  The docs state that IIS
has to be running on the local machine, but they also imply that you can
somehow make this happen running on a server on another machine.  I have IIS
running on my server machine, and am trying to get the project to understand
a directory on that machine as the project directory.  I am getting an error
message that:

"Unable to create directory... blah blah... The unc share
\\C2DbServer\D2DbWeb\ does not exist or you do not have access to it."

It in fact does exist.  One of the docs says that the administrator and the
system have to have full permissions on that dir, so I specifically went in
and set it up such that they did.  Still no joy.

If anyone has done this before, can you pipe up and tell me what I may be
doing wrong.  Again, I want to create an ASP project, using Visual Studio
.net running on my development machine, with the project located in a
directory on my server, and controlled by IIS running on my server.

Thanks,

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed May  7 09:20:08 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 09:20:08 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B13@main2.marlow.com>

You are right.  DAO is different.  How odd.  Easy to fix though....just move
the check to before the update:

Dim rs As Recordset
Set rs = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset("tblTest", dbOpenTable)
rs.AddNew
rs.Fields(1).Value = "Testing"
MsgBox rs.Fields(0).Value
rs.Update
rs.Close

That shows the Autonumber.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:16 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


Just tried it Drew. I ran your code to add a third record to an existing
table and the msgbox reported the contents of the first record not the
new one. Do you get something different? This is A97.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: 06 May 2003 22:44
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> 
> 
> Um nope....at least not in ADO, and I am 99.99999% sure it's 
> the same in DAO.  If you think about it, when you update a 
> record (single update), you are already on that record, no 
> need to move or find it, it's there.  
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 2:37 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> 
> 
> Sorry to disagree Drew but I think it's
> 
> rs.AddNew
> rs!Myfield="Test"
> etc
> etc
> rs.Update
> rs.bookmark=rs.lastmodified
> msgbox rs!MyAutoNumber
> rs.close
> 
> I think you have to do the .bookmark line. Without that 
> you're not on the right record
> 
> 
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Drew Wutka
> > Sent: 06 May 2003 17:05
> > To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> > 
> > 
> > dim rs as recordset
> > rs.AddNew
> > rs.Field(1).value="Test"
> > rs.Update
> > msgbox rs.Field(0).value
> > rs.close
> > 
> > 
> > As soon as you update the new record, the Autonumber field is
> > populated. (in my sample code above, the ID/AN is field 0).
> > 
> > Drew
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz]
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:53 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> > 
> > 
> > In this thread a couple of months ago there was a solution
> > offered to the problem of determining the value of an ID 
> > Autonumber of a record just added.
> > 
> > 
> > It was stunning in its simplicity, so of course I didn't
> > write it down  ;-( 
> > 
> > Can anyone help?
> > 
> > TIA
> > 
> > Stephen Bond
> > Otatara, New Zealand 
> > ( tel 03 213 1256   fax 03 213 0123 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed May  7 09:22:27 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 09:22:27 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD]  Accessing individual cell information from excel w
	ith an ADO connection
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B14@main2.marlow.com>

Yes, my example had the fields and tables wrapped in `'s  (Note, that is the
character underneath the tilde on most keyboards.  Personally, when I began
using ADO with Excel, I cheated.  I used VB 6.0's Data Environment to create
a connection to an Excel spreadsheet, then I used it's query builder to make
the SQL I wanted.

I know it's cheating, but it works! <VBG>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Powell, David (BBM) [mailto:david.powell at bbm.wapl.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 3:00 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Accessing individual cell information from excel
with an ADO connection


Thanks Drew for the VERY quick reply.  Just one problem though.  The SQL
part doesn't work.  This is how I have set up my code thus far:

  Dim cnn As New ADODB.Connection
  Dim rs As ADODB.Recordset
  With cnn
    .Provider = "Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
    .Properties("Extended Properties") = "Excel 8.0"
    .Open "C:\MyPath\MyXLSpreadsheet.xls"
  End With
  Set rs = New ADODB.Recordset
  rs.Open "SELECT MyCellTitle From MAY03", cnn, adOpenDynamic,
adLockOptimistic

If I add a $ to the end of MAY03 in the select statement as suggested, I
get an error "syntax error in FROM clause"  If I remove the $ I get an
error "The Microsoft Jet database engine could not find the object
'MAY03'

I have successfully connected to another spreadsheet and succeeded, but
created a new spreadsheet from scratch and have the same results as the
first one.  Any idea why I can't connect to this spreadsheet?


Regards

David


-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 1:31 PM
To: 'AccessD '
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Accessing individual cell information from excel
with an ADO connection


Select `MyCellsTitle`
>From `Sheet1$`

That SQL will open a recordset with only one row.  (Of course the row
needs to have a header titled MyCellsTitle (whatever is in the first
row).

To open a ADO connection object for an excel spreadsheet:

With cnnExcel
    .Provider = "Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
    .Properties("Extended Properties") = "Excel 8.0"
End With
cnnExcel.Open strPath

-----Original Message-----
From: Powell, David (BBM)
To: AccessD
Sent: 5/7/03 12:10 AM
Subject: [AccessD]  Accessing individual cell information from excel
with an ADO connection

Hi, 

I am trying to collate relevant data which is entered into a vast number
of excel spreadsheets into one centralised access database.  Can someone
please point me in  the right direction on how to reference a cell to
copy to a table field.


TIA 

David 




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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed May  7 09:25:40 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 09:25:40 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Creating a new asp project in .net
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B15@main2.marlow.com>

I have never used Visual Studio .net, but it sounds like a reference
problem.....a UNC reference.  If you go to the server with the share, can
you use that UNC to open it's folder.

Just out of curiousity, where is the reference to that UNC.  Is it in your
ASP code, or is it an internal Marker?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 8:24 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Creating a new asp project in .net


Well, I installed iis on my workstation and the asp project just created
with no problem.  I still need to know how to do so on a remote server (an
IIS server on my network).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 8:47 AM
To: VBA; AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Creating a new asp project in .net


I am trying to set up a new .asp project in .net.  The docs state that IIS
has to be running on the local machine, but they also imply that you can
somehow make this happen running on a server on another machine.  I have IIS
running on my server machine, and am trying to get the project to understand
a directory on that machine as the project directory.  I am getting an error
message that:

"Unable to create directory... blah blah... The unc share
\\C2DbServer\D2DbWeb\ does not exist or you do not have access to it."

It in fact does exist.  One of the docs says that the administrator and the
system have to have full permissions on that dir, so I specifically went in
and set it up such that they did.  Still no joy.

If anyone has done this before, can you pipe up and tell me what I may be
doing wrong.  Again, I want to create an ASP project, using Visual Studio
.net running on my development machine, with the project located in a
directory on my server, and controlled by IIS running on my server.

Thanks,

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed May  7 09:39:25 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 07:39:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] RE: OT A message to Reuben
In-Reply-To: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A005@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFKENNCHAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Reuben:

I sent you an email about two or three days ago and the message finally came
back saying that it could not be delivered...time out. Your mail system is
either down or full or you service does not support simple messages larger
than 1K.

Please respond off-line.

Jim


From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Wed May  7 09:45:28 2003
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 10:45:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT:Turning off Internet Access in Win2000
Message-ID: <Law14-F7006zPpPku0400003455@hotmail.com>

Thank you to Gustav, Stuart, Drew, Jim, and Neal.  I will look at the 
different options and let you know what I come up with.

I hadused Win 2000 security to deny access to the iexplore.exe file and 
thought that would block it, however, the users just went into "my computer" 
and clicked on "Search" on the toolbar.  The software immediately launched 
and allowed them access to all of the web, even though they could not launch 
iexplorer from the icon,Word, excel, etc.  Interesting!



Julie Reardon-Taylor
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From pnl1 at psu.edu  Wed May  7 10:01:35 2003
From: pnl1 at psu.edu (Paul Liadis)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 11:01:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Creating a new asp project in .net
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEMKDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEMIDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030507105741.0480bad0@mail.psu.edu>

John,
I have run into this problem as well.  I have been able to get it to work 
somewhat.  I don't have time now to research what I did to fix the problem, 
but Microsoft has some good MSDN TV Episodes regarding this issue.  Here is 
a link:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdntv/episode.aspx?xml=episodes/en/20030306VSNETOK/manifest.xml

I hope this helps you.  Let me know, if not, and I will research what I did 
to get around the problem.

===============================================
Paul Liadis
Senior Applications Programmer/Analyst
University Budget Office
Pennsylvania State University


At 09:23 AM 5/7/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>Well, I installed iis on my workstation and the asp project just created
>with no problem.  I still need to know how to do so on a remote server (an
>IIS server on my network).
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
>Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 8:47 AM
>To: VBA; AccessD
>Subject: [AccessD] OT: Creating a new asp project in .net
>
>
>I am trying to set up a new .asp project in .net.  The docs state that IIS
>has to be running on the local machine, but they also imply that you can
>somehow make this happen running on a server on another machine.  I have IIS
>running on my server machine, and am trying to get the project to understand
>a directory on that machine as the project directory.  I am getting an error
>message that:
>
>"Unable to create directory... blah blah... The unc share
>\\C2DbServer\D2DbWeb\ does not exist or you do not have access to it."
>
>It in fact does exist.  One of the docs says that the administrator and the
>system have to have full permissions on that dir, so I specifically went in
>and set it up such that they did.  Still no joy.
>
>If anyone has done this before, can you pipe up and tell me what I may be
>doing wrong.  Again, I want to create an ASP project, using Visual Studio
>.net running on my development machine, with the project located in a
>directory on my server, and controlled by IIS running on my server.
>
>Thanks,
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed May  7 10:18:44 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 08:18:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Creating a new asp project in .net
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEMKDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3EB923D4.7030801@shaw.ca>

I had a problem like this on a university .net course , I took last 
year. The net admins had installed vs.net and net frameworks first, 
before installing IIS. IIS must be installed first at least on Win2000.
You can run .net locally but cannot expose to the internet if you do the 
wrong way round. Maybe there is MSKB note on this by now. Just a SWAG.

John Colby wrote:

>Well, I installed iis on my workstation and the asp project just created
>with no problem.  I still need to know how to do so on a remote server (an
>IIS server on my network).
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
>Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 8:47 AM
>To: VBA; AccessD
>Subject: [AccessD] OT: Creating a new asp project in .net
>
>
>I am trying to set up a new .asp project in .net.  The docs state that IIS
>has to be running on the local machine, but they also imply that you can
>somehow make this happen running on a server on another machine.  I have IIS
>running on my server machine, and am trying to get the project to understand
>a directory on that machine as the project directory.  I am getting an error
>message that:
>
>"Unable to create directory... blah blah... The unc share
>\\C2DbServer\D2DbWeb\ does not exist or you do not have access to it."
>
>It in fact does exist.  One of the docs says that the administrator and the
>system have to have full permissions on that dir, so I specifically went in
>and set it up such that they did.  Still no joy.
>
>If anyone has done this before, can you pipe up and tell me what I may be
>doing wrong.  Again, I want to create an ASP project, using Visual Studio
>.net running on my development machine, with the project located in a
>directory on my server, and controlled by IIS running on my server.
>
>Thanks,
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
>  
>



From delliker at hotmail.com  Wed May  7 10:33:33 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 11:33:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
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From sgsax at ksu.edu  Wed May  7 10:44:20 2003
From: sgsax at ksu.edu (Seth Galitzer)
Date: 07 May 2003 10:44:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
Message-ID: <1052322260.750.13.camel@sgsax-th4022c>

Greetings,

I've got an app that needs to run on A2K and A97.  I've got some code
that uses user-defined enumerated types and some WithEvents
declarations, neither of which are supported by A97.  Is there a way to
conditionally compile the code depending on the Access version?  I know
you can use conditional statements, but I don't know if they can be used
in this way.  Right now, I'm supporting two versions of the app, one for
each version of Access, but it's making updating a real pain.  I'd also
like to be able to create conditions based on the Windows version.  I
imagine both are similar, if they are even possible.

Any info and samples would be appreciated.

Seth

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Computing Specialist		http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax
Dept. of Plant Pathology
Kansas State University


From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Wed May  7 10:46:25 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 11:46:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B73@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

If it's VB code issues do you have VB 6.0 available?  I compile routines that won't work in A97 into an ActiveX DLL. Then it doesn't matter which Access version because the code runs in the DLL not Access.  Of course this is another file to distribute with your app.

HTH,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: Seth Galitzer [mailto:sgsax at ksu.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:44 AM
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling


Greetings,

I've got an app that needs to run on A2K and A97.  I've got some code
that uses user-defined enumerated types and some WithEvents
declarations, neither of which are supported by A97.  Is there a way to
conditionally compile the code depending on the Access version?  I know
you can use conditional statements, but I don't know if they can be used
in this way.  Right now, I'm supporting two versions of the app, one for
each version of Access, but it's making updating a real pain.  I'd also
like to be able to create conditions based on the Windows version.  I
imagine both are similar, if they are even possible.

Any info and samples would be appreciated.

Seth

-- 
Seth Galitzer			sgsax at ksu.edu
Computing Specialist		http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax
Dept. of Plant Pathology
Kansas State University

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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Wed May  7 10:49:55 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 10:49:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357C1@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Seth,

John Colby's  e-mail of 05/05 titled "Late binding Withevents" shows how
to do conditional compiling.  One of the properties of Access gives the
version number; however, I do not recall the name of that property.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Seth Galitzer [mailto:sgsax at ksu.edu] 
Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 10:44
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling

Greetings,

I've got an app that needs to run on A2K and A97.  I've got some code
that uses user-defined enumerated types and some WithEvents
declarations, neither of which are supported by A97.  Is there a way to
conditionally compile the code depending on the Access version?  I know
you can use conditional statements, but I don't know if they can be used
in this way.  Right now, I'm supporting two versions of the app, one for
each version of Access, but it's making updating a real pain.  I'd also
like to be able to create conditions based on the Windows version.  I
imagine both are similar, if they are even possible.

Any info and samples would be appreciated.

Seth

-- 
Seth Galitzer			sgsax at ksu.edu
Computing Specialist		http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax
Dept. of Plant Pathology
Kansas State University

From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Wed May  7 11:07:10 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 12:07:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B76@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Actually IIRC, per his post you cannot late bind WithEvents.

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us]
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:50 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling


Seth,

John Colby's  e-mail of 05/05 titled "Late binding Withevents" shows how
to do conditional compiling.  One of the properties of Access gives the
version number; however, I do not recall the name of that property.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Seth Galitzer [mailto:sgsax at ksu.edu] 
Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 10:44
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling

Greetings,

I've got an app that needs to run on A2K and A97.  I've got some code
that uses user-defined enumerated types and some WithEvents
declarations, neither of which are supported by A97.  Is there a way to
conditionally compile the code depending on the Access version?  I know
you can use conditional statements, but I don't know if they can be used
in this way.  Right now, I'm supporting two versions of the app, one for
each version of Access, but it's making updating a real pain.  I'd also
like to be able to create conditions based on the Windows version.  I
imagine both are similar, if they are even possible.

Any info and samples would be appreciated.

Seth

-- 
Seth Galitzer			sgsax at ksu.edu
Computing Specialist		http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax
Dept. of Plant Pathology
Kansas State University
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May  7 11:13:27 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 09:13:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F11@infoserver01.infostat.local>

It's the Version property of the database object that returns the major
Jet engine version for the specified database file
' Access 97 = 3.0
' Access 2000/2002 = 4.0

    Dim strVersion As String
    Dim dbs As DAO.Database
    Dim wsp As DAO.Workspace
    
   On Error GoTo GetDBVersion_Err
   
    Set wsp = DBEngine.CreateWorkspace("Version")
    Set dbs = wsp.OpenDatabase(strFileName)
    
    strVersion = dbs.Version

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 7:50 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling


Seth,

John Colby's  e-mail of 05/05 titled "Late binding Withevents" shows how
to do conditional compiling.  One of the properties of Access gives the
version number; however, I do not recall the name of that property.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Seth Galitzer [mailto:sgsax at ksu.edu] 
Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 10:44
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling

Greetings,

I've got an app that needs to run on A2K and A97.  I've got some code
that uses user-defined enumerated types and some WithEvents
declarations, neither of which are supported by A97.  Is there a way to
conditionally compile the code depending on the Access version?  I know
you can use conditional statements, but I don't know if they can be used
in this way.  Right now, I'm supporting two versions of the app, one for
each version of Access, but it's making updating a real pain.  I'd also
like to be able to create conditions based on the Windows version.  I
imagine both are similar, if they are even possible.

Any info and samples would be appreciated.

Seth

-- 
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Computing Specialist		http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax
Dept. of Plant Pathology
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May  7 11:15:55 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 09:15:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F12@infoserver01.infostat.local>

But, Gustav, we just created references to it here! <VBG>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:51 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


Hi Charlotte

> ..  If you ever find it in help, for goodness sake, post the reference

> here!

I would say: if you ever find any reference to this, post it here.

/gustav

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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Wed May  7 11:45:03 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 11:45:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357C2@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Also, about a year ago this subject was brought up with about the same
amount of information documented.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 11:16
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery

But, Gustav, we just created references to it here! <VBG>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:51 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


Hi Charlotte

> ..  If you ever find it in help, for goodness sake, post the reference

> here!

I would say: if you ever find any reference to this, post it here.

/gustav

From rfv at entelix.com  Wed May  7 11:47:36 2003
From: rfv at entelix.com (Rudolf F. Vanek)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 11:47:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 
Message-ID: <000001c314b8$611cc800$0900a8c0@LapRFV>

Hi,

 

Just received the Office 2003 Beta Kit

 

I have Access 2000 and XP installed on my PC.

 

Has anybody experienced problems installing Office 2003?

 

Thanks

Rudolf F. Vanek

 

 


 


 

 

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From mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com  Wed May  7 12:50:32 2003
From: mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com (Mark Whittinghill)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 11:50:32 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
Message-ID: <002401c314c1$27cc7420$0400000a@PASCAL>

Hi all,

  Recently my computer died due to power source failure, though I was able
to recover files later.  I was due to upgrade my computer here anyway, so I
now have a new computer with Windows XP, the old one was Windows 2000.  We
have yet to do any work in Access 2002.  Some of our clients use that, but
we just send Access 2000 versions.

  I never used to have problems with Access 2000, though I have read many
posts from people who had.  Now that I have Windows XP,  I am having crashes
all the time, with the "Send Error Report"  dialog box.  Twice in the last
couple weeks I have had things get corrupted so bad that I just had to
restore my file from an earlier version and flush my work for the day down
the toilet.  Based on what I am hearing of Access 2002, I am thinking that I
should just upgrade to that, even though I work in 2000 file format.  Are
there any downsides to doing that?  Thanks for any advice.

Mark Whittinghill
Symphony Information Services
612-333-1311
mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com


From sgsax at ksu.edu  Wed May  7 12:13:37 2003
From: sgsax at ksu.edu (Seth Galitzer)
Date: 07 May 2003 12:13:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
In-Reply-To: 	<E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F11@infoserver01.infostat.local>
References: 	<E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F11@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <1052327617.554.94.camel@sgsax-th4022c>

Interestingly, the Version property returns 3.0 in an A95 mdb as well.

Just FYI.

Seth

On Wed, 2003-05-07 at 11:13, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> It's the Version property of the database object that returns the major
> Jet engine version for the specified database file
> ' Access 97 = 3.0
> ' Access 2000/2002 = 4.0
> 
>     Dim strVersion As String
>     Dim dbs As DAO.Database
>     Dim wsp As DAO.Workspace
>     
>    On Error GoTo GetDBVersion_Err
>    
>     Set wsp = DBEngine.CreateWorkspace("Version")
>     Set dbs = wsp.OpenDatabase(strFileName)
>     
>     strVersion = dbs.Version
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 7:50 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
> 
> 
> Seth,
> 
> John Colby's  e-mail of 05/05 titled "Late binding Withevents" shows how
> to do conditional compiling.  One of the properties of Access gives the
> version number; however, I do not recall the name of that property.
> 
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Seth Galitzer [mailto:sgsax at ksu.edu] 
> Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 10:44
> To: accessd
> Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> I've got an app that needs to run on A2K and A97.  I've got some code
> that uses user-defined enumerated types and some WithEvents
> declarations, neither of which are supported by A97.  Is there a way to
> conditionally compile the code depending on the Access version?  I know
> you can use conditional statements, but I don't know if they can be used
> in this way.  Right now, I'm supporting two versions of the app, one for
> each version of Access, but it's making updating a real pain.  I'd also
> like to be able to create conditions based on the Windows version.  I
> imagine both are similar, if they are even possible.
> 
> Any info and samples would be appreciated.
> 
> Seth
> 
> -- 
> Seth Galitzer			sgsax at ksu.edu
> Computing Specialist		http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax
> Dept. of Plant Pathology
> Kansas State University _______________________________________________
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Computing Specialist		http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax
Dept. of Plant Pathology
Kansas State University


From sgsax at ksu.edu  Wed May  7 12:14:06 2003
From: sgsax at ksu.edu (Seth Galitzer)
Date: 07 May 2003 12:14:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B73@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B73@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <1052327647.554.96.camel@sgsax-th4022c>

Jim,

I like this idea.  I'll take a look at this later this week.

Thanks.

Seth

On Wed, 2003-05-07 at 10:46, Jim DeMarco wrote:
> If it's VB code issues do you have VB 6.0 available?  I compile routines that won't work in A97 into an ActiveX DLL. Then it doesn't matter which Access version because the code runs in the DLL not Access.  Of course this is another file to distribute with your app.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Jim DeMarco
> Director of Product Development
> HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan
> 
> 
-- 
Seth Galitzer			sgsax at ksu.edu
Computing Specialist		http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax
Dept. of Plant Pathology
Kansas State University


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed May  7 12:16:51 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 13:16:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B76@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMENFDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

That's correct, you can't late bind OBJECTS that you are sinking events for.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:07 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling


Actually IIRC, per his post you cannot late bind WithEvents.

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us]
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:50 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling


Seth,

John Colby's  e-mail of 05/05 titled "Late binding Withevents" shows how
to do conditional compiling.  One of the properties of Access gives the
version number; however, I do not recall the name of that property.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Seth Galitzer [mailto:sgsax at ksu.edu]
Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 10:44
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling

Greetings,

I've got an app that needs to run on A2K and A97.  I've got some code
that uses user-defined enumerated types and some WithEvents
declarations, neither of which are supported by A97.  Is there a way to
conditionally compile the code depending on the Access version?  I know
you can use conditional statements, but I don't know if they can be used
in this way.  Right now, I'm supporting two versions of the app, one for
each version of Access, but it's making updating a real pain.  I'd also
like to be able to create conditions based on the Windows version.  I
imagine both are similar, if they are even possible.

Any info and samples would be appreciated.

Seth

--
Seth Galitzer			sgsax at ksu.edu
Computing Specialist		http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax
Dept. of Plant Pathology
Kansas State University
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From nancy.lytle at auatac.com  Wed May  7 12:24:03 2003
From: nancy.lytle at auatac.com (Nancy Lytle)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 13:24:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] 
In-Reply-To: <000001c314b8$611cc800$0900a8c0@LapRFV>
Message-ID: <OPEHJDCMPKDOHDELKBPHMEHADLAA.nancy.lytle@auatac.com>

I have Office XP on a Windows 2003 Beta 2 and just installed Office 2003
beta along with the Office XP and I have had no trouble with it except for
Outlook 2003 throws an error everytime I exit.  I love what the new Outlook
does, but I am tiring of the Send Error Report messages.
  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rudolf F. Vanek
  Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:48 PM
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: [AccessD]


  Hi,



  Just received the Office 2003 Beta Kit



  I have Access 2000 and XP installed on my PC.



  Has anybody experienced problems installing Office 2003?



  Thanks

  Rudolf F. Vanek











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From sgsax at ksu.edu  Wed May  7 12:27:19 2003
From: sgsax at ksu.edu (Seth Galitzer)
Date: 07 May 2003 12:27:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMENFDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMENFDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <1052328439.750.100.camel@sgsax-th4022c>

Here's the binding code:

Dim WithEvents cWinsock As CSocket

And CSocket is another class module in this mdb.  There are no other
WithEvents declarations in the code anywhere.  So is this still no good?

Seth

On Wed, 2003-05-07 at 12:16, John Colby wrote:
> That's correct, you can't late bind OBJECTS that you are sinking events for.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:07 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
> 
> 
> Actually IIRC, per his post you cannot late bind WithEvents.
> 
> Jim DeMarco
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:50 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
> 
> 
> Seth,
> 
> John Colby's  e-mail of 05/05 titled "Late binding Withevents" shows how
> to do conditional compiling.  One of the properties of Access gives the
> version number; however, I do not recall the name of that property.
> 
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Seth Galitzer [mailto:sgsax at ksu.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 10:44
> To: accessd
> Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> I've got an app that needs to run on A2K and A97.  I've got some code
> that uses user-defined enumerated types and some WithEvents
> declarations, neither of which are supported by A97.  Is there a way to
> conditionally compile the code depending on the Access version?  I know
> you can use conditional statements, but I don't know if they can be used
> in this way.  Right now, I'm supporting two versions of the app, one for
> each version of Access, but it's making updating a real pain.  I'd also
> like to be able to create conditions based on the Windows version.  I
> imagine both are similar, if they are even possible.
> 
> Any info and samples would be appreciated.
> 
> Seth
> 
> --
> Seth Galitzer			sgsax at ksu.edu
> Computing Specialist		http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax
> Dept. of Plant Pathology
> Kansas State University
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed May  7 12:29:01 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 12:29:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
In-Reply-To: <002401c314c1$27cc7420$0400000a@PASCAL>
Message-ID: <002601c314be$29e178d0$de1811d8@DanWaters>

Mark,

There is a recognized bug in AXP that prevents decompiling an mdb.  However,
if you set the mdb format to A2K when you develop in AXP, you will still be
able to decompile.  You can choose A2K to be the Default File Format in
Tools | Options - Advanced before creating a new database.  

Other than that, I am pretty satisfied with AXP.  I've had an occasional
crash, but nothing I would consider a problem.  I am, however, an avid
control-s guy!

Dan Waters
Quality Process Solutions


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Whittinghill
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:51 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K


Hi all,

  Recently my computer died due to power source failure, though I was able
to recover files later.  I was due to upgrade my computer here anyway, so I
now have a new computer with Windows XP, the old one was Windows 2000.  We
have yet to do any work in Access 2002.  Some of our clients use that, but
we just send Access 2000 versions.

  I never used to have problems with Access 2000, though I have read many
posts from people who had.  Now that I have Windows XP,  I am having crashes
all the time, with the "Send Error Report"  dialog box.  Twice in the last
couple weeks I have had things get corrupted so bad that I just had to
restore my file from an earlier version and flush my work for the day down
the toilet.  Based on what I am hearing of Access 2002, I am thinking that I
should just upgrade to that, even though I work in 2000 file format.  Are
there any downsides to doing that?  Thanks for any advice.

Mark Whittinghill
Symphony Information Services
612-333-1311
mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed May  7 12:40:14 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 13:40:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
In-Reply-To: <1052328439.750.100.camel@sgsax-th4022c>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMENGDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Seth,

You can conditional compile it:

#const Access2K True
#if Access2k then
Dim WithEvents cWinsock As CSocket
#else
Dim cWinsock As CSocket
#endif

The problem is that you can't sink the events if the else case is executed.
However..

I could swear that Withevents keyword was supported and sinking of events
was allowed in A97.  I thought RaiseEvent was there but didn't do anything.
I have no clue re enumeration.

And finally, even if you do this, you have to "comment out" entire sections
of code using the compiler constants and then that code doesn't function
anymore.  Compile errors if you have calls to code "commented out" etc.  I
don't know what you have in mind but it sounds like it could be a mess.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Seth Galitzer
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:27 PM
To: accessd
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling


Here's the binding code:

Dim WithEvents cWinsock As CSocket

And CSocket is another class module in this mdb.  There are no other
WithEvents declarations in the code anywhere.  So is this still no good?

Seth

On Wed, 2003-05-07 at 12:16, John Colby wrote:
> That's correct, you can't late bind OBJECTS that you are sinking events
for.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:07 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
>
>
> Actually IIRC, per his post you cannot late bind WithEvents.
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:50 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
>
>
> Seth,
>
> John Colby's  e-mail of 05/05 titled "Late binding Withevents" shows how
> to do conditional compiling.  One of the properties of Access gives the
> version number; however, I do not recall the name of that property.
>
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Seth Galitzer [mailto:sgsax at ksu.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 10:44
> To: accessd
> Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
>
> Greetings,
>
> I've got an app that needs to run on A2K and A97.  I've got some code
> that uses user-defined enumerated types and some WithEvents
> declarations, neither of which are supported by A97.  Is there a way to
> conditionally compile the code depending on the Access version?  I know
> you can use conditional statements, but I don't know if they can be used
> in this way.  Right now, I'm supporting two versions of the app, one for
> each version of Access, but it's making updating a real pain.  I'd also
> like to be able to create conditions based on the Windows version.  I
> imagine both are similar, if they are even possible.
>
> Any info and samples would be appreciated.
>
> Seth
>
> --
> Seth Galitzer			sgsax at ksu.edu
> Computing Specialist		http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax
> Dept. of Plant Pathology
> Kansas State University
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
****************************************************************************
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> recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that
is
> confidential or privileged.  If you are not the intended recipient, you
are
> hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the
> contents of this message is strictly prohibited.  If you have received
this
> message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us
> immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic mail
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> noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended
> recipient, please do not forward this email to anyone, and delete and
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Dept. of Plant Pathology
Kansas State University

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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Wed May  7 12:47:41 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 13:47:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B7E@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

John,

AFAIK WithEvents, RaiseEvent are not supported in A97.  Enums are definitely not supported.  I tried to use the first two after reading an old post of yours but no luck.

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:40 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling


Seth,

You can conditional compile it:

#const Access2K True
#if Access2k then
Dim WithEvents cWinsock As CSocket
#else
Dim cWinsock As CSocket
#endif

The problem is that you can't sink the events if the else case is executed.
However..

I could swear that Withevents keyword was supported and sinking of events
was allowed in A97.  I thought RaiseEvent was there but didn't do anything.
I have no clue re enumeration.

And finally, even if you do this, you have to "comment out" entire sections
of code using the compiler constants and then that code doesn't function
anymore.  Compile errors if you have calls to code "commented out" etc.  I
don't know what you have in mind but it sounds like it could be a mess.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Seth Galitzer
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:27 PM
To: accessd
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling


Here's the binding code:

Dim WithEvents cWinsock As CSocket

And CSocket is another class module in this mdb.  There are no other
WithEvents declarations in the code anywhere.  So is this still no good?

Seth

On Wed, 2003-05-07 at 12:16, John Colby wrote:
> That's correct, you can't late bind OBJECTS that you are sinking events
for.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:07 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
>
>
> Actually IIRC, per his post you cannot late bind WithEvents.
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:50 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
>
>
> Seth,
>
> John Colby's  e-mail of 05/05 titled "Late binding Withevents" shows how
> to do conditional compiling.  One of the properties of Access gives the
> version number; however, I do not recall the name of that property.
>
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Seth Galitzer [mailto:sgsax at ksu.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 10:44
> To: accessd
> Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
>
> Greetings,
>
> I've got an app that needs to run on A2K and A97.  I've got some code
> that uses user-defined enumerated types and some WithEvents
> declarations, neither of which are supported by A97.  Is there a way to
> conditionally compile the code depending on the Access version?  I know
> you can use conditional statements, but I don't know if they can be used
> in this way.  Right now, I'm supporting two versions of the app, one for
> each version of Access, but it's making updating a real pain.  I'd also
> like to be able to create conditions based on the Windows version.  I
> imagine both are similar, if they are even possible.
>
> Any info and samples would be appreciated.
>
> Seth
>
> --
> Seth Galitzer			sgsax at ksu.edu
> Computing Specialist		http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax
> Dept. of Plant Pathology
> Kansas State University
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
****************************************************************************
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> recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that
is
> confidential or privileged.  If you are not the intended recipient, you
are
> hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the
> contents of this message is strictly prohibited.  If you have received
this
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Dept. of Plant Pathology
Kansas State University

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From Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK  Wed May  7 12:41:11 2003
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK (Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 18:41:11 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD]
In-Reply-To: <000001c314b8$611cc800$0900a8c0@LapRFV>
References: <000001c314b8$611cc800$0900a8c0@LapRFV>
Message-ID: <1052329271.3eb94537a191e@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

Make sure you get the beta SP for Jet as well.

Martin


Quoting "Rudolf F. Vanek" <rfv at entelix.com>:

> Hi,
> 
>  
> 
> Just received the Office 2003 Beta Kit
> 
>  
> 
> I have Access 2000 and XP installed on my PC.
> 
>  
> 
> Has anybody experienced problems installing Office 2003?
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Rudolf F. Vanek
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 

From mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com  Wed May  7 14:33:04 2003
From: mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com (Mark Whittinghill)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 13:33:04 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
References: <002601c314be$29e178d0$de1811d8@DanWaters>
Message-ID: <006a01c314cf$7b0b4db0$0400000a@PASCAL>

That was my plan, to set default to A2K.  I didn't know that about the
decompiling.  If I build an app in AXP/A2K default then distribute it to A2K
users, will there be any troubles with references or anything?

Mark Whittinghill
Symphony Information Services
612-333-1311
mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:29 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K


> Mark,
>
> There is a recognized bug in AXP that prevents decompiling an mdb.
However,
> if you set the mdb format to A2K when you develop in AXP, you will still
be
> able to decompile.  You can choose A2K to be the Default File Format in
> Tools | Options - Advanced before creating a new database.
>
> Other than that, I am pretty satisfied with AXP.  I've had an occasional
> crash, but nothing I would consider a problem.  I am, however, an avid
> control-s guy!
>
> Dan Waters
> Quality Process Solutions
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Whittinghill
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:51 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>   Recently my computer died due to power source failure, though I was able
> to recover files later.  I was due to upgrade my computer here anyway, so
I
> now have a new computer with Windows XP, the old one was Windows 2000.  We
> have yet to do any work in Access 2002.  Some of our clients use that, but
> we just send Access 2000 versions.
>
>   I never used to have problems with Access 2000, though I have read many
> posts from people who had.  Now that I have Windows XP,  I am having
crashes
> all the time, with the "Send Error Report"  dialog box.  Twice in the last
> couple weeks I have had things get corrupted so bad that I just had to
> restore my file from an earlier version and flush my work for the day down
> the toilet.  Based on what I am hearing of Access 2002, I am thinking that
I
> should just upgrade to that, even though I work in 2000 file format.  Are
> there any downsides to doing that?  Thanks for any advice.
>
> Mark Whittinghill
> Symphony Information Services
> 612-333-1311
> mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
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>
>


From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed May  7 13:32:40 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 20:32:40 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B7E@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B7E@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <7340715966.20030507203240@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim, John

Bad memory?

WithEvents does exist in A97.
Shamil even wrote lengthy articles about this:

  http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/articles.htm

and JC's original demos must have been in A97 as well.
  
/gustav


> AFAIK WithEvents, RaiseEvent are not supported in A97.  Enums are definitely not supported.  I tried to use the first two after reading an old post of yours but no luck.


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed May  7 13:35:18 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 14:35:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
In-Reply-To: <7340715966.20030507203240@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEENJDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Gustav,

It has been awhile.  I thought I did Withevents in A97 for a long time
before I finally switched to A2K.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 2:33 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional compiling


Hi Jim, John

Bad memory?

WithEvents does exist in A97.
Shamil even wrote lengthy articles about this:

  http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/articles.htm

and JC's original demos must have been in A97 as well.

/gustav


> AFAIK WithEvents, RaiseEvent are not supported in A97.  Enums are
definitely not supported.  I tried to use the first two after reading an old
post of yours but no luck.

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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Wed May  7 13:38:31 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 14:38:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
References: <002601c314be$29e178d0$de1811d8@DanWaters>
Message-ID: <004901c314c7$dbd59180$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

...first time I'd heard of this decompile bug in XP Dan ...its not my
experience ...do you have any references you can share?

William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:29 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K


> Mark,
>
> There is a recognized bug in AXP that prevents decompiling an mdb.
However,
> if you set the mdb format to A2K when you develop in AXP, you will still
be
> able to decompile.  You can choose A2K to be the Default File Format in
> Tools | Options - Advanced before creating a new database.
>
> Other than that, I am pretty satisfied with AXP.  I've had an occasional
> crash, but nothing I would consider a problem.  I am, however, an avid
> control-s guy!
>
> Dan Waters
> Quality Process Solutions
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Whittinghill
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:51 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>   Recently my computer died due to power source failure, though I was able
> to recover files later.  I was due to upgrade my computer here anyway, so
I
> now have a new computer with Windows XP, the old one was Windows 2000.  We
> have yet to do any work in Access 2002.  Some of our clients use that, but
> we just send Access 2000 versions.
>
>   I never used to have problems with Access 2000, though I have read many
> posts from people who had.  Now that I have Windows XP,  I am having
crashes
> all the time, with the "Send Error Report"  dialog box.  Twice in the last
> couple weeks I have had things get corrupted so bad that I just had to
> restore my file from an earlier version and flush my work for the day down
> the toilet.  Based on what I am hearing of Access 2002, I am thinking that
I
> should just upgrade to that, even though I work in 2000 file format.  Are
> there any downsides to doing that?  Thanks for any advice.
>
> Mark Whittinghill
> Symphony Information Services
> 612-333-1311
> mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>



From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Wed May  7 13:41:32 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 14:41:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B7E@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <005b01c314c8$47cd56c0$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

...I used WithEvents extensively in A97 Jim :(

William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim DeMarco" <Jdemarco at hshhp.org>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:47 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling


> John,
>
> AFAIK WithEvents, RaiseEvent are not supported in A97.  Enums are
definitely not supported.  I tried to use the first two after reading an old
post of yours but no luck.
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:40 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
>
>
> Seth,
>
> You can conditional compile it:
>
> #const Access2K True
> #if Access2k then
> Dim WithEvents cWinsock As CSocket
> #else
> Dim cWinsock As CSocket
> #endif
>
> The problem is that you can't sink the events if the else case is
executed.
> However..
>
> I could swear that Withevents keyword was supported and sinking of events
> was allowed in A97.  I thought RaiseEvent was there but didn't do
anything.
> I have no clue re enumeration.
>
> And finally, even if you do this, you have to "comment out" entire
sections
> of code using the compiler constants and then that code doesn't function
> anymore.  Compile errors if you have calls to code "commented out" etc.  I
> don't know what you have in mind but it sounds like it could be a mess.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Seth Galitzer
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:27 PM
> To: accessd
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
>
>
> Here's the binding code:
>
> Dim WithEvents cWinsock As CSocket
>
> And CSocket is another class module in this mdb.  There are no other
> WithEvents declarations in the code anywhere.  So is this still no good?
>
> Seth
>
> On Wed, 2003-05-07 at 12:16, John Colby wrote:
> > That's correct, you can't late bind OBJECTS that you are sinking events
> for.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:07 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
> >
> >
> > Actually IIRC, per his post you cannot late bind WithEvents.
> >
> > Jim DeMarco
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:50 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
> >
> >
> > Seth,
> >
> > John Colby's  e-mail of 05/05 titled "Late binding Withevents" shows how
> > to do conditional compiling.  One of the properties of Access gives the
> > version number; however, I do not recall the name of that property.
> >
> > Charles Wortz
> > Software Development Division
> > Texas Education Agency
> > 1701 N. Congress Ave
> > Austin, TX 78701-1494
> > 512-463-9493
> > CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Seth Galitzer [mailto:sgsax at ksu.edu]
> > Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 10:44
> > To: accessd
> > Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
> >
> > Greetings,
> >
> > I've got an app that needs to run on A2K and A97.  I've got some code
> > that uses user-defined enumerated types and some WithEvents
> > declarations, neither of which are supported by A97.  Is there a way to
> > conditionally compile the code depending on the Access version?  I know
> > you can use conditional statements, but I don't know if they can be used
> > in this way.  Right now, I'm supporting two versions of the app, one for
> > each version of Access, but it's making updating a real pain.  I'd also
> > like to be able to create conditions based on the Windows version.  I
> > imagine both are similar, if they are even possible.
> >
> > Any info and samples would be appreciated.
> >
> > Seth
> >
> > --
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> > Computing Specialist http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax
> > Dept. of Plant Pathology
> > Kansas State University
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From papparuff at attbi.com  Wed May  7 14:05:49 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 12:05:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
In-Reply-To: <006a01c314cf$7b0b4db0$0400000a@PASCAL>
Message-ID: <001c01c314cb$ace10310$6401a8c0@papparuff>

If you installed OfficeXP and not just AccessXP, then you will have
Reference problems when you use Automation with early binding to manipulate
Excel, Word, Outlook, etc objects; and your program is earmarked for
Office2K computers.

Access does great setting the References to the current Office version when
you go from Access2K to AccessXP (eg. Outlook 9.0 to Outlook 10.0 Object
Library), but will not set the appropriate References from AccessXP to
Access2K (Outlook 10.0 to Outlook 9.0 Object Library - The Reference table
will give you a "Missing Outlook 10.0 Object Library").  

This is where converting your Early Binding to Late Binding is a definite
plus because with Late Binding, References are not required.


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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Whittinghill
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:33 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K


That was my plan, to set default to A2K.  I didn't know that about the
decompiling.  If I build an app in AXP/A2K default then distribute it to A2K
users, will there be any troubles with references or anything?

Mark Whittinghill
Symphony Information Services
612-333-1311
mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:29 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K


> Mark,
>
> There is a recognized bug in AXP that prevents decompiling an mdb.
However,
> if you set the mdb format to A2K when you develop in AXP, you will 
> still
be
> able to decompile.  You can choose A2K to be the Default File Format 
> in Tools | Options - Advanced before creating a new database.
>
> Other than that, I am pretty satisfied with AXP.  I've had an 
> occasional crash, but nothing I would consider a problem.  I am, 
> however, an avid control-s guy!
>
> Dan Waters
> Quality Process Solutions
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Whittinghill
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:51 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>   Recently my computer died due to power source failure, though I was 
> able to recover files later.  I was due to upgrade my computer here 
> anyway, so
I
> now have a new computer with Windows XP, the old one was Windows 2000.  
> We have yet to do any work in Access 2002.  Some of our clients use 
> that, but we just send Access 2000 versions.
>
>   I never used to have problems with Access 2000, though I have read 
> many posts from people who had.  Now that I have Windows XP,  I am 
> having
crashes
> all the time, with the "Send Error Report"  dialog box.  Twice in the 
> last couple weeks I have had things get corrupted so bad that I just 
> had to restore my file from an earlier version and flush my work for 
> the day down the toilet.  Based on what I am hearing of Access 2002, I 
> am thinking that
I
> should just upgrade to that, even though I work in 2000 file format.  
> Are there any downsides to doing that?  Thanks for any advice.
>
> Mark Whittinghill
> Symphony Information Services
> 612-333-1311
> mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed May  7 14:11:15 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 12:11:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
References: <002601c314be$29e178d0$de1811d8@DanWaters>
 <006a01c314cf$7b0b4db0$0400000a@PASCAL>
Message-ID: <3EB95A53.8030200@shaw.ca>

  You will have problems with Ole Automation and references to Excel 
Word Outlook if they are used, but by sacrificing a bit of speed you can 
use late binding to default to to the installed version of Word etc 
rather than using Word 9 or Word 10 libraries.
   Also make sure your clients are all using the same version of  Jet, I 
believe A2K came with  Jet SP3.  You can get Jet SP6 from here which may 
ameliorate your odd crashes. get the correct version for the OS. Before 
you install SP6  on a computer that is running Windows 95, Windows 98, 
or Windows NT 4.0, you must already have Jet 4.0 Service Pack 3 (SP3) or 
later installed. You have at least Jet 4.0 (SP3) if the file msjet40.dll 
is version 4.00.2927.4 or later

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q282010

Mark Whittinghill wrote:

>That was my plan, to set default to A2K.  I didn't know that about the
>decompiling.  If I build an app in AXP/A2K default then distribute it to A2K
>users, will there be any troubles with references or anything?
>
>Mark Whittinghill
>Symphony Information Services
>612-333-1311
>mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:29 AM
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
>
>
>  
>
>>Mark,
>>
>>There is a recognized bug in AXP that prevents decompiling an mdb.
>>    
>>
>However,
>  
>
>>if you set the mdb format to A2K when you develop in AXP, you will still
>>    
>>
>be
>  
>
>>able to decompile.  You can choose A2K to be the Default File Format in
>>Tools | Options - Advanced before creating a new database.
>>
>>Other than that, I am pretty satisfied with AXP.  I've had an occasional
>>crash, but nothing I would consider a problem.  I am, however, an avid
>>control-s guy!
>>
>>Dan Waters
>>Quality Process Solutions
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark
>>    
>>
>Whittinghill
>  
>
>>Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:51 AM
>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
>>
>>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>  Recently my computer died due to power source failure, though I was able
>>to recover files later.  I was due to upgrade my computer here anyway, so
>>    
>>
>I
>  
>
>>now have a new computer with Windows XP, the old one was Windows 2000.  We
>>have yet to do any work in Access 2002.  Some of our clients use that, but
>>we just send Access 2000 versions.
>>
>>  I never used to have problems with Access 2000, though I have read many
>>posts from people who had.  Now that I have Windows XP,  I am having
>>    
>>
>crashes
>  
>
>>all the time, with the "Send Error Report"  dialog box.  Twice in the last
>>couple weeks I have had things get corrupted so bad that I just had to
>>restore my file from an earlier version and flush my work for the day down
>>the toilet.  Based on what I am hearing of Access 2002, I am thinking that
>>    
>>
>I
>  
>
>>should just upgrade to that, even though I work in 2000 file format.  Are
>>there any downsides to doing that?  Thanks for any advice.
>>
>>Mark Whittinghill
>>Symphony Information Services
>>612-333-1311
>>mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
>>
>>_______________________________________________
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From mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com  Wed May  7 15:29:30 2003
From: mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com (Mark Whittinghill)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 14:29:30 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
References: <002601c314be$29e178d0$de1811d8@DanWaters>
	<006a01c314cf$7b0b4db0$0400000a@PASCAL> <3EB95A53.8030200@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <002a01c314d7$5cd234f0$0400000a@PASCAL>

I already use late binding for that very reason.  Thanks for the link.  I'll check it out.

Mark Whittinghill
Symphony Information Services
612-333-1311
mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: MartyConnelly 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:11 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K


    You will have problems with Ole Automation and references to Excel Word Outlook if they are used, but by sacrificing a bit of speed you can use late binding to default to to the installed version of Word etc rather than using Word 9 or Word 10 libraries.
     Also make sure your clients are all using the same version of  Jet, I believe A2K came with  Jet SP3.  You can get Jet SP6 from here which may ameliorate your odd crashes. get the correct version for the OS. Before you install SP6  on a computer that is running Windows 95, Windows 98, or Windows NT 4.0, you must already have Jet 4.0 Service Pack 3 (SP3) or later installed. You have at least Jet 4.0 (SP3) if the file msjet40.dll is version 4.00.2927.4 or later

  http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q282010

  Mark Whittinghill wrote:

That was my plan, to set default to A2K.  I didn't know that about the
decompiling.  If I build an app in AXP/A2K default then distribute it to A2K
users, will there be any troubles with references or anything?

Mark Whittinghill
Symphony Information Services
612-333-1311
mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:29 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K


  
Mark,

There is a recognized bug in AXP that prevents decompiling an mdb.
    
However,
  
if you set the mdb format to A2K when you develop in AXP, you will still
    
be
  
able to decompile.  You can choose A2K to be the Default File Format in
Tools | Options - Advanced before creating a new database.

Other than that, I am pretty satisfied with AXP.  I've had an occasional
crash, but nothing I would consider a problem.  I am, however, an avid
control-s guy!

Dan Waters
Quality Process Solutions


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark
    
Whittinghill
  
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:51 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K


Hi all,

  Recently my computer died due to power source failure, though I was able
to recover files later.  I was due to upgrade my computer here anyway, so
    
I
  
now have a new computer with Windows XP, the old one was Windows 2000.  We
have yet to do any work in Access 2002.  Some of our clients use that, but
we just send Access 2000 versions.

  I never used to have problems with Access 2000, though I have read many
posts from people who had.  Now that I have Windows XP,  I am having
    
crashes
  
all the time, with the "Send Error Report"  dialog box.  Twice in the last
couple weeks I have had things get corrupted so bad that I just had to
restore my file from an earlier version and flush my work for the day down
the toilet.  Based on what I am hearing of Access 2002, I am thinking that
    
I
  
should just upgrade to that, even though I work in 2000 file format.  Are
there any downsides to doing that?  Thanks for any advice.

Mark Whittinghill
Symphony Information Services
612-333-1311
mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed May  7 14:33:03 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 14:33:03 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] FW: Query help please
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B19@main2.marlow.com>

Okay Susan....the following SQL:
 
SELECT tlnklodgingEvent.EventID, tblLodging.Type, tlnklodgingEvent.Guests,
tlnklodgingEvent.NoNights, tlnklodgingEvent.CostPerUnit,
tlnklodgingEvent.total, Format([LodgingDate],"ddd") AS Expr1
FROM tblLodging RIGHT JOIN tlnklodgingEvent ON tblLodging.LodgingID =
tlnklodgingEvent.LodgingID
WHERE (((tlnklodgingEvent.EventID)=9461));
 
UNION SELECT 9461 AS EventID, tblLodging.Type, 0 AS Guests, 0 AS NoNights,
tblLodging.DRate, tblLodging.NDRate, "(Depending on if is Diocesan Event or
NonDiocesan Event)" AS Day
FROM tblLodging
WHERE (((tblLodging.LodgingID) Not In (SELECT tlnklodgingEvent.LodgingID
FROM tlnklodgingEvent WHERE (((tlnklodgingEvent.EventID)=9461)) GROUP BY
tlnklodgingEvent.LodgingID;)))
ORDER BY NoNights DESC, Type DESC;
 
Produces these results:   (Note, the Cost per unit and total are showing
actual data from the tlnklodgingEvent table...I don't know where you got the
numbers from, for your sample results....)
 
 

EventID

Type

Guests

NoNights

CostPerUnit

total

Expr1


9461

Single

6

1

$50.00

$300.00

Wed


9461

Single

8

1

$50.00

$400.00

Mon


9461

Single

9

1

$50.00

$450.00

Tue


9461

Double

2

1

$35.00

$70.00

Thu


9461

Double

22

1

$35.00

$770.00

Mon


9461

Double

22

1

$35.00

$770.00

Tue


9461

Double

30

1

$35.00

$1,050.00

Wed


9461

Triple

0

0

$21.34

$25.33

(Depending on if is Diocesan Event or NonDiocesan Event)


9461

Tent

0

0

$10.00

$10.25

(Depending on if is Diocesan Event or NonDiocesan Event)


9461

R/V

0

0

$20.50

$20.50

(Depending on if is Diocesan Event or NonDiocesan Event)


9461

Quadruple

0

0

$17.50

$20.50

(Depending on if is Diocesan Event or NonDiocesan Event)


9461

Cabin/Staff

0

0

$20.00

$26.00

(Depending on if is Diocesan Event or NonDiocesan Event)


9461

Cabin

0

0

$18.00

$21.00

(Depending on if is Diocesan Event or NonDiocesan Event)

 
 
Drew 

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From: Klos, Susan [mailto:Susan.Klos at fldoe.org]
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To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Wed May  7 14:43:56 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 15:43:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B84@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Yes that's right.  I've used it myself countless times.  Must be getting old!  RaiseEvent didn't work though (um, if my memory hasn't completely failed me).

Thanks Gustav,

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 2:33 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional compiling


Hi Jim, John

Bad memory?

WithEvents does exist in A97.
Shamil even wrote lengthy articles about this:

  http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/articles.htm

and JC's original demos must have been in A97 as well.
  
/gustav


> AFAIK WithEvents, RaiseEvent are not supported in A97.  Enums are definitely not supported.  I tried to use the first two after reading an old post of yours but no luck.

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed May  7 14:50:35 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 14:50:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K - KB 810415
In-Reply-To: <004901c314c7$dbd59180$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>
Message-ID: <003a01c314d1$f0611340$de1811d8@DanWaters>

Oops!

The problem is compacting, not decompiling.  I guess age 46 must have been
the good memory threshold!

The KB article is at:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;810415

The effect is the same - you should use the A2K format when creating AXP
mdb's.

Apologies!!
Dan



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K


...first time I'd heard of this decompile bug in XP Dan ...its not my
experience ...do you have any references you can share?

William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:29 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K


> Mark,
>
> There is a recognized bug in AXP that prevents decompiling an mdb.
However,
> if you set the mdb format to A2K when you develop in AXP, you will 
> still
be
> able to decompile.  You can choose A2K to be the Default File Format 
> in Tools | Options - Advanced before creating a new database.
>
> Other than that, I am pretty satisfied with AXP.  I've had an 
> occasional crash, but nothing I would consider a problem.  I am, 
> however, an avid control-s guy!
>
> Dan Waters
> Quality Process Solutions
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Whittinghill
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:51 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>   Recently my computer died due to power source failure, though I was 
> able to recover files later.  I was due to upgrade my computer here 
> anyway, so
I
> now have a new computer with Windows XP, the old one was Windows 2000.  
> We have yet to do any work in Access 2002.  Some of our clients use 
> that, but we just send Access 2000 versions.
>
>   I never used to have problems with Access 2000, though I have read 
> many posts from people who had.  Now that I have Windows XP,  I am 
> having
crashes
> all the time, with the "Send Error Report"  dialog box.  Twice in the 
> last couple weeks I have had things get corrupted so bad that I just 
> had to restore my file from an earlier version and flush my work for 
> the day down the toilet.  Based on what I am hearing of Access 2002, I 
> am thinking that
I
> should just upgrade to that, even though I work in 2000 file format.  
> Are there any downsides to doing that?  Thanks for any advice.
>
> Mark Whittinghill
> Symphony Information Services
> 612-333-1311
> mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
>
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From delliker at hotmail.com  Wed May  7 14:52:26 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 15:52:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May  7 15:47:15 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 13:47:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K - KB 810415
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F15@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I haven't encountered any problems compacting XP format databases.  The
problem is not that you can't compact, it's that a system table exists
in 2002 that may not reduce in size when you compact.  The workaround is
to create a new database and import all the objects into it.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:51 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K - KB 810415


Oops!

The problem is compacting, not decompiling.  I guess age 46 must have
been the good memory threshold!

The KB article is at:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;810415

The effect is the same - you should use the A2K format when creating AXP
mdb's.

Apologies!!
Dan



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K


...first time I'd heard of this decompile bug in XP Dan ...its not my
experience ...do you have any references you can share?

William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:29 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K


> Mark,
>
> There is a recognized bug in AXP that prevents decompiling an mdb.
However,
> if you set the mdb format to A2K when you develop in AXP, you will
> still
be
> able to decompile.  You can choose A2K to be the Default File Format
> in Tools | Options - Advanced before creating a new database.
>
> Other than that, I am pretty satisfied with AXP.  I've had an
> occasional crash, but nothing I would consider a problem.  I am, 
> however, an avid control-s guy!
>
> Dan Waters
> Quality Process Solutions
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Whittinghill
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:51 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>   Recently my computer died due to power source failure, though I was
> able to recover files later.  I was due to upgrade my computer here 
> anyway, so
I
> now have a new computer with Windows XP, the old one was Windows 2000.
> We have yet to do any work in Access 2002.  Some of our clients use 
> that, but we just send Access 2000 versions.
>
>   I never used to have problems with Access 2000, though I have read
> many posts from people who had.  Now that I have Windows XP,  I am 
> having
crashes
> all the time, with the "Send Error Report"  dialog box.  Twice in the
> last couple weeks I have had things get corrupted so bad that I just 
> had to restore my file from an earlier version and flush my work for 
> the day down the toilet.  Based on what I am hearing of Access 2002, I

> am thinking that
I
> should just upgrade to that, even though I work in 2000 file format.
> Are there any downsides to doing that?  Thanks for any advice.
>
> Mark Whittinghill
> Symphony Information Services
> 612-333-1311
> mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May  7 15:50:00 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 13:50:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F16@infoserver01.infostat.local>

It's RaiseEvents, not WithEvents, that didn't exist in 97.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 10:35 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling


Gustav,

It has been awhile.  I thought I did Withevents in A97 for a long time
before I finally switched to A2K.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 2:33 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional compiling


Hi Jim, John

Bad memory?

WithEvents does exist in A97.
Shamil even wrote lengthy articles about this:

  http://smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s/articles.htm

and JC's original demos must have been in A97 as well.

/gustav


> AFAIK WithEvents, RaiseEvent are not supported in A97.  Enums are
definitely not supported.  I tried to use the first two after reading an
old post of yours but no luck.

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May  7 15:51:26 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 13:51:26 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F17@infoserver01.infostat.local>

No Enums in Access 97.  They weren't supported until A2k.  No custom
events until AXP.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 9:40 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling


Seth,

You can conditional compile it:

#const Access2K True
#if Access2k then
Dim WithEvents cWinsock As CSocket
#else
Dim cWinsock As CSocket
#endif

The problem is that you can't sink the events if the else case is
executed. However..

I could swear that Withevents keyword was supported and sinking of
events was allowed in A97.  I thought RaiseEvent was there but didn't do
anything. I have no clue re enumeration.

And finally, even if you do this, you have to "comment out" entire
sections of code using the compiler constants and then that code doesn't
function anymore.  Compile errors if you have calls to code "commented
out" etc.  I don't know what you have in mind but it sounds like it
could be a mess.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Seth Galitzer
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:27 PM
To: accessd
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling


Here's the binding code:

Dim WithEvents cWinsock As CSocket

And CSocket is another class module in this mdb.  There are no other
WithEvents declarations in the code anywhere.  So is this still no good?

Seth

On Wed, 2003-05-07 at 12:16, John Colby wrote:
> That's correct, you can't late bind OBJECTS that you are sinking 
> events
for.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:07 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
>
>
> Actually IIRC, per his post you cannot late bind WithEvents.
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:50 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
>
>
> Seth,
>
> John Colby's  e-mail of 05/05 titled "Late binding Withevents" shows 
> how to do conditional compiling.  One of the properties of Access 
> gives the version number; however, I do not recall the name of that 
> property.
>
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Seth Galitzer [mailto:sgsax at ksu.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 10:44
> To: accessd
> Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
>
> Greetings,
>
> I've got an app that needs to run on A2K and A97.  I've got some code 
> that uses user-defined enumerated types and some WithEvents 
> declarations, neither of which are supported by A97.  Is there a way 
> to conditionally compile the code depending on the Access version?  I 
> know you can use conditional statements, but I don't know if they can 
> be used in this way.  Right now, I'm supporting two versions of the 
> app, one for each version of Access, but it's making updating a real 
> pain.  I'd also like to be able to create conditions based on the 
> Windows version.  I imagine both are similar, if they are even 
> possible.
>
> Any info and samples would be appreciated.
>
> Seth
>
> --
> Seth Galitzer			sgsax at ksu.edu
> Computing Specialist		http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax
> Dept. of Plant Pathology
> Kansas State University 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May  7 15:53:38 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 13:53:38 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F18@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Does anyone still *use* A95?  Actually, what it's returning is the major
built of Jet used to create the database, and A95 used Jet 3.0, as I
recall.    It didn't affect us when I wrote that code, because all our
extant apps are in A97 and we're upgrading them to AXP.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Seth Galitzer [mailto:sgsax at ksu.edu] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 9:14 AM
To: accessd
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling


Interestingly, the Version property returns 3.0 in an A95 mdb as well.

Just FYI.

Seth

On Wed, 2003-05-07 at 11:13, Charlotte Foust wrote:
> It's the Version property of the database object that returns the 
> major Jet engine version for the specified database file ' Access 97 =

> 3.0 ' Access 2000/2002 = 4.0
> 
>     Dim strVersion As String
>     Dim dbs As DAO.Database
>     Dim wsp As DAO.Workspace
>     
>    On Error GoTo GetDBVersion_Err
>    
>     Set wsp = DBEngine.CreateWorkspace("Version")
>     Set dbs = wsp.OpenDatabase(strFileName)
>     
>     strVersion = dbs.Version
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 7:50 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
> 
> 
> Seth,
> 
> John Colby's  e-mail of 05/05 titled "Late binding Withevents" shows 
> how to do conditional compiling.  One of the properties of Access 
> gives the version number; however, I do not recall the name of that 
> property.
> 
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Seth Galitzer [mailto:sgsax at ksu.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 10:44
> To: accessd
> Subject: [AccessD] Conditional compiling
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> I've got an app that needs to run on A2K and A97.  I've got some code 
> that uses user-defined enumerated types and some WithEvents 
> declarations, neither of which are supported by A97.  Is there a way 
> to conditionally compile the code depending on the Access version?  I 
> know you can use conditional statements, but I don't know if they can 
> be used in this way.  Right now, I'm supporting two versions of the 
> app, one for each version of Access, but it's making updating a real 
> pain.  I'd also like to be able to create conditions based on the 
> Windows version.  I imagine both are similar, if they are even 
> possible.
> 
> Any info and samples would be appreciated.
> 
> Seth
> 
> -- 
> Seth Galitzer			sgsax at ksu.edu
> Computing Specialist		http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax
> Dept. of Plant Pathology
> Kansas State University 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May  7 15:54:20 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 13:54:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F19@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Yes, I seem to recall there being  a prior discussion on this.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 8:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


Also, about a year ago this subject was brought up with about the same
amount of information documented.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
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-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 11:16
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery

But, Gustav, we just created references to it here! <VBG>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:51 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


Hi Charlotte

> ..  If you ever find it in help, for goodness sake, post the reference

> here!

I would say: if you ever find any reference to this, post it here.

/gustav
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed May  7 15:56:38 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 13:56:38 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
In-Reply-To: <002401c314c1$27cc7420$0400000a@PASCAL>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFCEOJCHAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Mark:

I had some problems with A2K running on WinXP but after there was an upgrade
to AXP the specific set of problems have seemed to disappear. There were
some code issues and they were fixed and it seems to be a stable product
except forr one issue. I found was the references did not seem to initially
auto-connect and I had to check every API call.

HTH
Jim

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark
Whittinghill
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 10:51 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K


Hi all,

  Recently my computer died due to power source failure, though I was able
to recover files later.  I was due to upgrade my computer here anyway, so I
now have a new computer with Windows XP, the old one was Windows 2000.  We
have yet to do any work in Access 2002.  Some of our clients use that, but
we just send Access 2000 versions.

  I never used to have problems with Access 2000, though I have read many
posts from people who had.  Now that I have Windows XP,  I am having crashes
all the time, with the "Send Error Report"  dialog box.  Twice in the last
couple weeks I have had things get corrupted so bad that I just had to
restore my file from an earlier version and flush my work for the day down
the toilet.  Based on what I am hearing of Access 2002, I am thinking that I
should just upgrade to that, even though I work in 2000 file format.  Are
there any downsides to doing that?  Thanks for any advice.

Mark Whittinghill
Symphony Information Services
612-333-1311
mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com

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From mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com  Wed May  7 17:12:50 2003
From: mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com (Mark Whittinghill)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 16:12:50 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
References: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFCEOJCHAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <002e01c314e5$ccbc61b0$0400000a@PASCAL>

Jim,

   I have seen weirdness in references also.  Such as, not having DAO on the
references list, or having Excel 5.0 library instead of Excel 9.0, stuff
like that.  Closing and reopening fixed that.

Mark Whittinghill
Symphony Information Services
612-333-1311
mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 2:56 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K


> Hi Mark:
>
> I had some problems with A2K running on WinXP but after there was an
upgrade
> to AXP the specific set of problems have seemed to disappear. There were
> some code issues and they were fixed and it seems to be a stable product
> except forr one issue. I found was the references did not seem to
initially
> auto-connect and I had to check every API call.
>
> HTH
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Mark
> Whittinghill
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 10:51 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>   Recently my computer died due to power source failure, though I was able
> to recover files later.  I was due to upgrade my computer here anyway, so
I
> now have a new computer with Windows XP, the old one was Windows 2000.  We
> have yet to do any work in Access 2002.  Some of our clients use that, but
> we just send Access 2000 versions.
>
>   I never used to have problems with Access 2000, though I have read many
> posts from people who had.  Now that I have Windows XP,  I am having
crashes
> all the time, with the "Send Error Report"  dialog box.  Twice in the last
> couple weeks I have had things get corrupted so bad that I just had to
> restore my file from an earlier version and flush my work for the day down
> the toilet.  Based on what I am hearing of Access 2002, I am thinking that
I
> should just upgrade to that, even though I work in 2000 file format.  Are
> there any downsides to doing that?  Thanks for any advice.
>
> Mark Whittinghill
> Symphony Information Services
> 612-333-1311
> mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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>
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>
>


From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed May  7 16:20:17 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 14:20:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
In-Reply-To: <002e01c314e5$ccbc61b0$0400000a@PASCAL>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFOEOKCHAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Mark:

> I have seen weirdness in references also.  Such as, not having DAO on the
references list..

That may be taken as a hint for us.
Jim


From mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com  Wed May  7 17:38:18 2003
From: mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com (Mark Whittinghill)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 16:38:18 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
References: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFOEOKCHAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <001001c314e9$5b537f00$0400000a@PASCAL>

LOL

Mark Whittinghill
Symphony Information Services
612-333-1311
mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 3:20 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K


> Mark:
>
> > I have seen weirdness in references also.  Such as, not having DAO on
the
> references list..
>
> That may be taken as a hint for us.
> Jim
>
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed May  7 16:38:33 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 16:38:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
In-Reply-To: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFOEOKCHAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <004801c314e1$05b85730$de1811d8@DanWaters>

Jim - are you allowed to give more of a hint on this?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 3:20 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K


Mark:

> I have seen weirdness in references also.  Such as, not having DAO on 
> the
references list..

That may be taken as a hint for us.
Jim

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed May  7 16:38:33 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 16:38:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K - KB 810415
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F15@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <004901c314e1$08ee7bf0$de1811d8@DanWaters>

OK - true.

But the AXP formatted database will bloat, and compacting won't reduce the
size.  If the database is in A2K format in the first place, that problem
doesn't happen, and the database does reduce to minimum size after
compacting.

For an existing database in AXP, moving all the objects into an A2K
formatted database will solve the problem for good.

I have experienced this problem.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 2:47 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K - KB 810415


I haven't encountered any problems compacting XP format databases.  The
problem is not that you can't compact, it's that a system table exists in
2002 that may not reduce in size when you compact.  The workaround is to
create a new database and import all the objects into it.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:51 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K - KB 810415


Oops!

The problem is compacting, not decompiling.  I guess age 46 must have been
the good memory threshold!

The KB article is at:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;810415

The effect is the same - you should use the A2K format when creating AXP
mdb's.

Apologies!!
Dan



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K


...first time I'd heard of this decompile bug in XP Dan ...its not my
experience ...do you have any references you can share?

William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:29 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K


> Mark,
>
> There is a recognized bug in AXP that prevents decompiling an mdb.
However,
> if you set the mdb format to A2K when you develop in AXP, you will 
> still
be
> able to decompile.  You can choose A2K to be the Default File Format 
> in Tools | Options - Advanced before creating a new database.
>
> Other than that, I am pretty satisfied with AXP.  I've had an 
> occasional crash, but nothing I would consider a problem.  I am, 
> however, an avid control-s guy!
>
> Dan Waters
> Quality Process Solutions
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Whittinghill
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:51 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>   Recently my computer died due to power source failure, though I was 
> able to recover files later.  I was due to upgrade my computer here 
> anyway, so
I
> now have a new computer with Windows XP, the old one was Windows 2000. 
> We have yet to do any work in Access 2002.  Some of our clients use 
> that, but we just send Access 2000 versions.
>
>   I never used to have problems with Access 2000, though I have read 
> many posts from people who had.  Now that I have Windows XP,  I am 
> having
crashes
> all the time, with the "Send Error Report"  dialog box.  Twice in the 
> last couple weeks I have had things get corrupted so bad that I just 
> had to restore my file from an earlier version and flush my work for 
> the day down the toilet.  Based on what I am hearing of Access 2002, I

> am thinking that
I
> should just upgrade to that, even though I work in 2000 file format. 
> Are there any downsides to doing that?  Thanks for any advice.
>
> Mark Whittinghill
> Symphony Information Services
> 612-333-1311
> mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Wed May  7 16:44:28 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 17:44:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K - KB 810415
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F15@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <002901c314e1$d6051400$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

...the real problem is that MS, having long past identified this substantial
bug in AXP, has done nothing to fix what has to be a relatively simple code
problem ...like you I export to compact but its a RPITA and long overdue for
a fix :((((((

William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 4:47 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K - KB 810415


> I haven't encountered any problems compacting XP format databases.  The
> problem is not that you can't compact, it's that a system table exists
> in 2002 that may not reduce in size when you compact.  The workaround is
> to create a new database and import all the objects into it.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:51 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K - KB 810415
>
>
> Oops!
>
> The problem is compacting, not decompiling.  I guess age 46 must have
> been the good memory threshold!
>
> The KB article is at:
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;810415
>
> The effect is the same - you should use the A2K format when creating AXP
> mdb's.
>
> Apologies!!
> Dan
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:39 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
>
>
> ...first time I'd heard of this decompile bug in XP Dan ...its not my
> experience ...do you have any references you can share?
>
> William Hindman
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:29 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
>
>
> > Mark,
> >
> > There is a recognized bug in AXP that prevents decompiling an mdb.
> However,
> > if you set the mdb format to A2K when you develop in AXP, you will
> > still
> be
> > able to decompile.  You can choose A2K to be the Default File Format
> > in Tools | Options - Advanced before creating a new database.
> >
> > Other than that, I am pretty satisfied with AXP.  I've had an
> > occasional crash, but nothing I would consider a problem.  I am,
> > however, an avid control-s guy!
> >
> > Dan Waters
> > Quality Process Solutions
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark
> Whittinghill
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:51 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
> >
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> >   Recently my computer died due to power source failure, though I was
> > able to recover files later.  I was due to upgrade my computer here
> > anyway, so
> I
> > now have a new computer with Windows XP, the old one was Windows 2000.
> > We have yet to do any work in Access 2002.  Some of our clients use
> > that, but we just send Access 2000 versions.
> >
> >   I never used to have problems with Access 2000, though I have read
> > many posts from people who had.  Now that I have Windows XP,  I am
> > having
> crashes
> > all the time, with the "Send Error Report"  dialog box.  Twice in the
> > last couple weeks I have had things get corrupted so bad that I just
> > had to restore my file from an earlier version and flush my work for
> > the day down the toilet.  Based on what I am hearing of Access 2002, I
>
> > am thinking that
> I
> > should just upgrade to that, even though I work in 2000 file format.
> > Are there any downsides to doing that?  Thanks for any advice.
> >
> > Mark Whittinghill
> > Symphony Information Services
> > 612-333-1311
> > mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
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>
>
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From caa at highway.com.br  Wed May  7 16:46:21 2003
From: caa at highway.com.br (Carlos Alberto Alves)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 18:46:21 -0300
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Email clients
In-Reply-To: <1052153916.19345.8.camel@sgsax-th4022c>
References: <000101c31324$a022ee20$b274d0d5@andypc>
	<1052153916.19345.8.camel@sgsax-th4022c>
Message-ID: <oprotn3jaueuy8y3@localhost>

On 05 May 2003 11:58:32 -0500, Seth Galitzer <sgsax at ksu.edu> wrote:

> Andy,
>
> If you use Win2K or XP and set up seperate desktop login accounts,
> you'll each have seperate settings for Outlook.
>
> With Eudora, you just need to create two different mail folders, one for
> each of you.  Make a shortcut for each that includes the full path to
> the desired folder on the commandline.
>
> Seth
>
> On Mon, 2003-05-05 at 11:37, Andy Lacey wrote:
>> Hi folks, a quick OT if you don't mind
>>
>> I've been using Outlook exclusively for years now, but recently my wife
>> is getting more into email and that's thrown up what I think is a
>> limitation I can't get round in Outlook. We want to both use the same
>> email client and both see all incoming mail (personal stuff may be to
>> either of us), share a phone book and tasks etc, but when we send an
>> email we want to be able to determine which of us is the Sender and
>> therefore the ReplyTo address. We also want to each have our own
>> signature. Outlook (and I'm using XP) doesn't cater for this at all
>> well. I can set her own profile up but that separates us too much. If a
>> friend happens to have written to my email address themn my wife won't
>> see it because it'll be in my Inbox, and vice-versa. My question is: can
>> what I'm describing be done in another client such as Eudora?
>>
>> Andy Lacey
>> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>

Take a look at Opera 7.10  << http://www.opera.com  >>
Tutorial on site.
-- 
**************************************
* Carlos Alberto Alves               *
* Child Neurologist                  *
* Systems Analyst/Programmer         *
* Rio de Janeiro, Brazil             *
* mailto:caa at highway.com.br          *
* http://igspot.ig.com.br/forefront/ *
**************************************

From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed May  7 16:51:28 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 14:51:28 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] RE: OT FTP connection
In-Reply-To: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFCEOJCHAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFGEOMCHAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

We are having some problems connecting a Window 2000 server and an FTP site.

If we connect to FTP through the standard port of 21, no problem but if we
try to connect through a port other that 21 say for example 5003, the
connection process fails.

Has anyone had any experience or information with this process. Please
answer off-line as this is an OT subject.

MTIA
Jim


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May  7 18:00:39 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 16:00:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K - KB 810415
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F1A@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Only if your boss will go along with that plan! <VBG>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K - KB 810415


OK - true.

But the AXP formatted database will bloat, and compacting won't reduce
the size.  If the database is in A2K format in the first place, that
problem doesn't happen, and the database does reduce to minimum size
after compacting.

For an existing database in AXP, moving all the objects into an A2K
formatted database will solve the problem for good.

I have experienced this problem.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 2:47 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K - KB 810415


I haven't encountered any problems compacting XP format databases.  The
problem is not that you can't compact, it's that a system table exists
in 2002 that may not reduce in size when you compact.  The workaround is
to create a new database and import all the objects into it.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:51 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K - KB 810415


Oops!

The problem is compacting, not decompiling.  I guess age 46 must have
been the good memory threshold!

The KB article is at:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;810415

The effect is the same - you should use the A2K format when creating AXP
mdb's.

Apologies!!
Dan



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K


...first time I'd heard of this decompile bug in XP Dan ...its not my
experience ...do you have any references you can share?

William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:29 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K


> Mark,
>
> There is a recognized bug in AXP that prevents decompiling an mdb.
However,
> if you set the mdb format to A2K when you develop in AXP, you will
> still
be
> able to decompile.  You can choose A2K to be the Default File Format
> in Tools | Options - Advanced before creating a new database.
>
> Other than that, I am pretty satisfied with AXP.  I've had an
> occasional crash, but nothing I would consider a problem.  I am, 
> however, an avid control-s guy!
>
> Dan Waters
> Quality Process Solutions
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Whittinghill
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:51 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>   Recently my computer died due to power source failure, though I was
> able to recover files later.  I was due to upgrade my computer here 
> anyway, so
I
> now have a new computer with Windows XP, the old one was Windows 2000.
> We have yet to do any work in Access 2002.  Some of our clients use 
> that, but we just send Access 2000 versions.
>
>   I never used to have problems with Access 2000, though I have read
> many posts from people who had.  Now that I have Windows XP,  I am 
> having
crashes
> all the time, with the "Send Error Report"  dialog box.  Twice in the
> last couple weeks I have had things get corrupted so bad that I just 
> had to restore my file from an earlier version and flush my work for 
> the day down the toilet.  Based on what I am hearing of Access 2002, I

> am thinking that
I
> should just upgrade to that, even though I work in 2000 file format.
> Are there any downsides to doing that?  Thanks for any advice.
>
> Mark Whittinghill
> Symphony Information Services
> 612-333-1311
> mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May  7 18:02:10 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 16:02:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F1B@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Well, that's interesting.  I've never experienced that.  Of course, it
isn't checked by default, but unless there's something odd about your
installation, the reference is there .. Unless you're in an ADP, of
course.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:20 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K


Mark:

> I have seen weirdness in references also.  Such as, not having DAO on 
> the
references list..

That may be taken as a hint for us.
Jim

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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Wed May  7 18:26:11 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 08:56:11 +0930 
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A034@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

It is safer as  @@Identity is linked only to the connection (or transaction)
which created the record.  
 
Otherwise you are risking that another user will insert a record in-between
adding and retrieving the ID of the record added by the first user.
 
I'm not sure if that is a risk using the other methods mentioned on this
list, however I *do* now that with @@Identity there is no risk of this
happening.
 
Cheers,
Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, 8 May 2003 5:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value



How does this fare in a multi-user setup?
_D





"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." 

>From: "Haslett, Andrew" 
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" 
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
>Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 10:28:09 +0930 
> 
>Sure. 
> 
>Create a table (table1) with two fields (ID: Autonumber, Field1: Text) 
> 
>Paste this code into a module and away you go: 
> 
>****************************************************************** 
> 
>Sub TestIdentity() 
> 
> Dim conn As ADODB.Connection, rs As ADODB.Recordset 
> Set conn = CurrentProject.Connection 
> 
> strSQL = "INSERT INTO table1 (field1) VALUES ('SomeValue')" 
> conn.Execute strSQL 
> 
> strSQL = "SELECT @@Identity" 
> Set rs = conn.Execute(strSQL) 
> 
> intID = rs.Fields.Item(0).Value 
> 
> Debug.Print intID 
> 
> rs.Close 
> conn.Close 
> 
>End Sub 
> 
>****************************************************************** 
> 
>Cheers, 
>Andrew 
> 
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz] 
>Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 9:43 AM 
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> 
> 
>Andrew, just to complete the knowledge flowing freely here (great stuff),
if 
>I've used a SQL statement to INSERT the new record, can I use @@Identity 
>(and how)? 
> 
>Thanks 
>Stephen Bond 
> 
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: Haslett, Andrew [mailto:andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au] 
>Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 10:43 a.m. 
>To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> 
> 
>Jet 4.0 supports @@Identity. Therefore if you are inserting your record in 
>code using ADO then it will work fine. 
> 
>Cheers, 
>Andrew 
> 
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] 
>Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 2:01 AM 
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> 
> 
>I don't think that works in MDBs, which I assume Stephen meant, else he 
>would have posted on the SQL list. 
> 
>Arthur 
> 
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Haslett, Andrew 
>Sent: May 6, 2003 12:09 AM 
>To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> 
> 
>SELECT @@IDENTITY 
> 
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz] 
>Sent: Tuesday, 6 May 2003 12:23 PM 
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> 
> 
>In this thread a couple of months ago there was a solution offered to the 
>problem of determining the value of an ID Autonumber of a record just
added. 
> 
> 
>It was stunning in its simplicity, so of course I didn't write it down ;-( 
> 
>Can anyone help? 
> 
>TIA 
> 
>Stephen Bond 
>Otatara, New Zealand 
>( tel 03 213 1256 fax 03 213 0123 
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From jim.hale at fleetpride.com  Wed May  7 18:32:22 2003
From: jim.hale at fleetpride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 18:32:22 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K
Message-ID: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF87305F60B12@corp-es00>

When my references to "DAO" started showing up as "DOA" is I got the hint.
:-)
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 4:20 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Upgrading to Access 2002 from A2K


Mark:

> I have seen weirdness in references also.  Such as, not having DAO on the
references list..

That may be taken as a hint for us.
Jim

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed May  7 19:33:43 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 10:33:43 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Getting Email from Linked Outlook Contacts
In-Reply-To: <001901c31460$1fe4a540$b274d0d5@andypc>
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B0D@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <3EBA3287.11982.56E200A@localhost>

I want to set up an automated mailing process in A2K for someone using Oulook 2K.  

Simple enough, I thought, I know you can link to Outlook folders so, I will just link to his Contacts, then iterate through 
them and pick the email addresses.   

Linked to Contacts and went looking  - lo and behold -  no email address fields in the linked Contacts :-(

I know I could use use Docmd.SendObject,,,,"Display Name (E-mail)"..........
but I don't want to send the messages through Outlook/Exchange. 
For various reasons, I want to grab the email address and BLAT the message out. 

If I export Contacts to an Access database, the fields I want are in the exported table, but when I link to Contacts they 
are not :-(  

Anyone know how I can get the email address(es) from the Outlook Contacts folder live (ie by linking, not 
exporting/importing)?




-- 
Stuart McLachlan
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Application Development,  IT Consultancy
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From papparuff at attbi.com  Wed May  7 20:14:23 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 18:14:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Getting Email from Linked Outlook Contacts
In-Reply-To: <3EBA3287.11982.56E200A@localhost>
Message-ID: <004601c314ff$2c70ecc0$6401a8c0@papparuff>

Stuart,

I was able to link to my Contacts folder and see the email addresses with no
problems so I'm not sure why you can't see yours. However, you can also use
Automation to get the addresses:

Public Function GetContact(Optional strName As String) As String
    Dim objOlApp As Outlook.Application
    Dim objNameSpace As Outlook.NameSpace
    Dim objFolder As Outlook.MAPIFolder
    Dim objItems As Outlook.Items
    Dim strFullName As String
    Dim strEmail As String
    Dim objContact As Outlook.ContactItem
    Dim i As Integer
  
    Set objOlApp = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")
    Set objNameSpace = objOlApp.GetNamespace("MAPI")
    Set objFolder = objNameSpace.GetDefaultFolder(olFolderContacts)
    Set objItems = objFolder.Items
    
    If strName = "" Then
        ' This prints all the contacts in the contacts list
        For i = 1 To objItems.Count
            On Error Resume Next
            Debug.Print objItems.Item(i).FullName
            Debug.Print objItems.Item(i).Email1Address
        Next i
        Err = 0
    Else
        ' This prints the info for a specific contact
        With objFolder.Items(strName)
            strFullName = .FullName
            strEmail = .Email1Address
        End With
        GetContact = strFullName & "\" & strEmail
    End If
    
    Set objItems = Nothing
    Set objFolder = Nothing
    Set objNameSpace = Nothing
    Set objOlApp = Nothing
    
End Function

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 5:34 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Getting Email from Linked Outlook Contacts


I want to set up an automated mailing process in A2K for someone using
Oulook 2K.  

Simple enough, I thought, I know you can link to Outlook folders so, I will
just link to his Contacts, then iterate through 
them and pick the email addresses.   

Linked to Contacts and went looking  - lo and behold -  no email address
fields in the linked Contacts :-(

I know I could use use Docmd.SendObject,,,,"Display Name (E-mail)"..........
but I don't want to send the messages through Outlook/Exchange. 
For various reasons, I want to grab the email address and BLAT the message
out. 

If I export Contacts to an Access database, the fields I want are in the
exported table, but when I link to Contacts they 
are not :-(  

Anyone know how I can get the email address(es) from the Outlook Contacts
folder live (ie by linking, not 
exporting/importing)?




-- 
Stuart McLachlan
Lexacorp Ltd
Application Development,  IT Consultancy http://www.lexacorp.com.pg

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From davesharpe2 at cox.net  Wed May  7 21:41:50 2003
From: davesharpe2 at cox.net (dave sharpe)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 22:41:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
References: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357C2@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <000d01c3150b$60eb6910$1d270a44@bcs006137>

Friends I found this on the subject and thought that
it might be of benefit to some members of the group.

http://www.nesug.org/Proceedings/nesug98/dbas/p005.pdf

Dave

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Wortz, Charles 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:45 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


  Also, about a year ago this subject was brought up with about the same
  amount of information documented.

  Charles Wortz
  Software Development Division
  Texas Education Agency
  1701 N. Congress Ave
  Austin, TX 78701-1494
  512-463-9493
  CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



  -----Original Message-----
  From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
  Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 11:16
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery

  But, Gustav, we just created references to it here! <VBG>

  Charlotte Foust

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:51 PM
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


  Hi Charlotte

  > ..  If you ever find it in help, for goodness sake, post the reference

  > here!

  I would say: if you ever find any reference to this, post it here.

  /gustav
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed May  7 22:13:01 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 13:13:01 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Getting Email from Linked Outlook Contacts
In-Reply-To: <004601c314ff$2c70ecc0$6401a8c0@papparuff>
References: <3EBA3287.11982.56E200A@localhost>
Message-ID: <3EBA57DD.30778.5FFFC0D@localhost>

On 7 May 2003 at 18:14, John Ruff wrote:

> Stuart,
> 
> I was able to link to my Contacts folder and see the email addresses with no
> problems so I'm not sure why you can't see yours. However, you can also use
> Automation to get the addresses:

I've never got around to using Automation with Outlook ( I avoid Outlook itself as much as possible <g>)

That worked fine. You've just saved me a heap of time. Thanks a million :-)






-- 
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Lexacorp Ltd
Application Development,  IT Consultancy
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg


From Tim.Pain at e20.akzonobel.com  Thu May  8 03:18:01 2003
From: Tim.Pain at e20.akzonobel.com (Pain, T. (Tim))
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 09:18:01 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] 
Message-ID: <0BB2DFBAEF484F4AA077B46F1B165FE6660890@lbrn12.d20.intra>

Did you know that in Win XP you can turn off the Error Reporting, I
guess it may also work with Win 2003 -
1. On the Start menu, select Run, enter "msconfig.exe" (don't type the
quotation marks), and click OK.

2. Click the Services tab.

3. Make sure that the Hide All Microsoft Services box is clear.

4. Clear the Error Reporting Service check box.

5. Click OK.

6. Let msconfig reboot the computer.

Tim 

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Nancy Lytle [mailto:nancy.lytle at auatac.com] 
	Sent: 07 May 2003 18:24
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] 
	
	
	I have Office XP on a Windows 2003 Beta 2 and just installed
Office 2003 beta along with the Office XP and I have had no trouble with
it except for Outlook 2003 throws an error everytime I exit.  I love
what the new Outlook does, but I am tiring of the Send Error Report
messages.

		-----Original Message-----
		From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rudolf F.
Vanek
		Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:48 PM
		To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
		Subject: [AccessD] 
		
		

		Hi,

		 

		Just received the Office 2003 Beta Kit

		 

		I have Access 2000 and XP installed on my PC.

		 

		Has anybody experienced problems installing Office 2003?

		 

		Thanks

		Rudolf F. Vanek

		 

		 

 

 

		 

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From papparuff at attbi.com  Thu May  8 04:01:37 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 02:01:37 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] -Turn-off Error Reporting Service
In-Reply-To: <0BB2DFBAEF484F4AA077B46F1B165FE6660890@lbrn12.d20.intra>
Message-ID: <005501c31540$72452450$6401a8c0@papparuff>

There is another way of turning it off without having to reboot.
 
Start > Settings > Control Panel > System > Advanced > Error Reporting
Select "Disable Error Reporting", then OK, OK
 
 
 

John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-) 
Always Looking For Contract Opportunities 

Home: 253.588.2139 
Cell: 253.307/2947 
9306 Farwest Dr SW 
Lakewood, WA 98498 

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                and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Pain, T. (Tim)
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:18 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] 


Did you know that in Win XP you can turn off the Error Reporting, I guess it
may also work with Win 2003 -
1. On the Start menu, select Run, enter "msconfig.exe" (don't type the
quotation marks), and click OK.

2. Click the Services tab.

3. Make sure that the Hide All Microsoft Services box is clear.

4. Clear the Error Reporting Service check box.

5. Click OK.

6. Let msconfig reboot the computer.

Tim 

-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Lytle [mailto:nancy.lytle at auatac.com] 
Sent: 07 May 2003 18:24
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] 


I have Office XP on a Windows 2003 Beta 2 and just installed Office 2003
beta along with the Office XP and I have had no trouble with it except for
Outlook 2003 throws an error everytime I exit.  I love what the new Outlook
does, but I am tiring of the Send Error Report messages.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rudolf F. Vanek
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:48 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] 



Hi,

 

Just received the Office 2003 Beta Kit

 

I have Access 2000 and XP installed on my PC.

 

Has anybody experienced problems installing Office 2003?

 

Thanks

Rudolf F. Vanek

 

 


 


 

 

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From viner at eunet.yu  Thu May  8 05:38:05 2003
From: viner at eunet.yu (Ervin Brindza)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 12:38:05 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Insert record into  fake group
Message-ID: <002f01c3154e$06f29760$0100a8c0@razvoj>

Cross posted
Hi,
I need a "little" advice about record order. The fields are: "SchoolId"(Integer) and "SchoolOrder"(Text) which cause the problem. The field "SchoolOrder" is text, not number, because there is a need to insert a new school between two existing ones.
For example:
SchoolID SchoolOrder
1            1
2            2
3            3
and the customer want to insert the fourth school between the first and the second(the new school is somehow related to the first school, creating a "fake group" with the first) then the SchoolOrder is 10 and:
SchoolID SchoolOrder
1            1
4            10
2            2
3            3
The pair(5, 11) will be on the 3. place, the (6, 101) will be behind the (4,10) etc. 
1            1
4            10
6            101
5            11
2            2
3            3

This is all right but what should I do when there are more than 9 "fake groups".
I tried with:
SchoolID SchoolOrder
1            1/1
4            1/2
6            1/3
5            1/4
2            2/1
3            3/1
and in the SQL in the ORDER BY clause to put(separate the left and the right side from the "/"):
Mid([tblSchool].[SchoolOrder],1,InStr([tblSchool].[SchoolOrder],"/")-1) & Mid([tblSchool].[SchoolOrder],InStr([tblSchool].[SchoolOrder],"/")+1,Len([tblSchool].[SchoolOrder]));
I tried wrapping into CInt function but no success too.
I know that additional field to separate the field SchoolOrder parts would solve my problem, but the customer diesn't like the idea to modify the table structure.
Can anyone shed any light?
Many thanks in advance,
    Ervin
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From papparuff at attbi.com  Thu May  8 05:52:54 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 03:52:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Insert record into  fake group
In-Reply-To: <002f01c3154e$06f29760$0100a8c0@razvoj>
Message-ID: <006401c3154f$fab7e020$6401a8c0@papparuff>

I won't ask why so will this work for you? SchoolOrder is a text field.
 
Table1
SchoolID	 SchoolOrder	
1	 001.001	
4	 001.002	
6	 001.003	
5	 001.004	
2	 002.001	
8	 002.002	
10	 002.003	
12	 002.004	
14	 002.005	
15	 002.006	
18	 002.007	
20	 002.008	
21	 002.009	
23	 002.010	
25	 002.011	
3	 003.001	
9	 003.002	
11	 003.003	
13	 003.004	
16	 003.005	
17	 003.006	
19	 003.007	
22	 003.008	
24	 003.009	
26	 003.010	
31	 010.001	
32	 010.002	
33	 011.001	
35	 011.002	
36	 011.003	
34	 012.001	
37	 012.002	
 
 

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Always Looking For Contract Opportunities 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ervin Brindza
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 3:38 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Insert record into fake group



Cross posted
Hi,
I need a "little" advice about record order. The fields are:
"SchoolId"(Integer) and "SchoolOrder"(Text) which cause the problem. The
field "SchoolOrder" is text, not number, because there is a need to insert a
new school between two existing ones.
For example:
SchoolID SchoolOrder
1            1
2            2
3            3
and the customer want to insert the fourth school between the first and the
second(the new school is somehow related to the first school, creating a
"fake group" with the first) then the SchoolOrder is 10 and:
SchoolID SchoolOrder
1            1
4            10
2            2
3            3
The pair(5, 11) will be on the 3. place, the (6, 101) will be behind the
(4,10) etc. 
1            1
4            10
6            101
5            11
2            2
3            3
 
This is all right but what should I do when there are more than 9 "fake
groups".
I tried with:
SchoolID SchoolOrder
1            1/1
4            1/2
6            1/3
5            1/4
2            2/1
3            3/1
and in the SQL in the ORDER BY clause to put(separate the left and the right
side from the "/"):
Mid([tblSchool].[SchoolOrder],1,InStr([tblSchool].[SchoolOrder],"/")-1) &
Mid([tblSchool].[SchoolOrder],InStr([tblSchool].[SchoolOrder],"/")+1,Len([tb
lSchool].[SchoolOrder]));
I tried wrapping into CInt function but no success too.
I know that additional field to separate the field SchoolOrder parts would
solve my problem, but the customer diesn't like the idea to modify the table
structure.
Can anyone shed any light?
Many thanks in advance,
    Ervin

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu May  8 06:00:06 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 13:00:06 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Insert record into  fake group
In-Reply-To: <002f01c3154e$06f29760$0100a8c0@razvoj>
References: <002f01c3154e$06f29760$0100a8c0@razvoj>
Message-ID: <4417397976.20030508130006@cactus.dk>

Hi Ervin

I guess you didn't invent this "system" ...?

Why not simply update the SchoolOrder:

  1            1
  4            2
  2            3
  3            4

After all, this must be the purpose of that column?

/gustav


> I need a "little" advice about record order. The fields are: "SchoolId"(Integer) and "SchoolOrder"(Text) which cause the problem. The field "SchoolOrder" is text, not number, because there is a
> need to insert a new school between two existing ones.
> For example:
> SchoolID SchoolOrder
> 1            1
> 2            2
> 3            3
> and the customer want to insert the fourth school between the first and the second(the new school is somehow related to the first school, creating a "fake group" with the first) then the
> SchoolOrder is 10 and:
> SchoolID SchoolOrder
> 1            1
> 4            10
> 2            2
> 3            3

> The pair(5, 11) will be on the 3. place, the (6, 101) will be behind the (4,10) etc.
> 1            1
> 4            10
> 6            101
> 5            11
> 2            2
> 3            3

> This is all right but what should I do when there are more than 9 "fake groups".
> I tried with:
> SchoolID SchoolOrder
> 1            1/1
> 4            1/2
> 6            1/3
> 5            1/4
> 2            2/1
> 3            3/1
> and in the SQL in the ORDER BY clause to put(separate the left and the right side from the "/"):
> Mid([tblSchool].[SchoolOrder],1,InStr([tblSchool].[SchoolOrder],"/")-1) & Mid([tblSchool].[SchoolOrder],InStr([tblSchool].[SchoolOrder],"/")+1,Len([tblSchool].[SchoolOrder]));
> I tried wrapping into CInt function but no success too.
> I know that additional field to separate the field SchoolOrder parts would solve my problem, but the customer diesn't like the idea to modify the table structure.
> Can anyone shed any light?


From viner at eunet.yu  Thu May  8 06:38:26 2003
From: viner at eunet.yu (Ervin Brindza)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 13:38:26 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Insert record into  fake group
References: <006401c3154f$fab7e020$6401a8c0@papparuff>
Message-ID: <004f01c31557$506c03a0$0100a8c0@razvoj>

MessageI won't ask why so will this work for you? SchoolOrder is a text field.
  John,
  many thanks for the quick response. Your suggestion works perfect. The leading zeroes  resolves the problem.
  Many thanks again, and best regards,
      Ervin

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From viner at eunet.yu  Thu May  8 06:44:09 2003
From: viner at eunet.yu (Ervin Brindza)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 13:44:09 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Insert record into  fake group
References: <002f01c3154e$06f29760$0100a8c0@razvoj>
	<4417397976.20030508130006@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <005001c31557$50eaa980$0100a8c0@razvoj>

>
> Why not simply update the SchoolOrder:
>
>   1            1
>   4            2
>   2            3
>   3            4
>
I dont know what do you mean by updating SchoolOrder because the user have
to insert the SchoolOrder, he have to determine the "group" and the order
within the group too. But John suggested inserting a leading zeroes into the
field SchoolOrder(and expanding the field into two parts: group and order),
and that works pretty well.
Thanks anyway,
    Ervin




From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu May  8 07:06:41 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 14:06:41 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Insert record into  fake group
In-Reply-To: <005001c31557$50eaa980$0100a8c0@razvoj>
References: <002f01c3154e$06f29760$0100a8c0@razvoj>
 <4417397976.20030508130006@cactus.dk> <005001c31557$50eaa980$0100a8c0@razvoj>
Message-ID: <5121392360.20030508140641@cactus.dk>

Hi Ervin

>> Why not simply update the SchoolOrder:
>>
>>   1            1
>>   4            2
>>   2            3
>>   3            4
>>
> I dont know what do you mean by updating SchoolOrder because the user have
> to insert the SchoolOrder, he have to determine the "group" and the order
> within the group too. But John suggested inserting a leading zeroes into the
> field SchoolOrder(and expanding the field into two parts: group and order),
> and that works pretty well.

That's very simple. When the user decides an order number for a new
school, update the schools with that or a higher order by one and
add the new school with the decided order.

/gustav


From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Thu May  8 07:20:49 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 07:20:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357C8@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Dave,
 
Nice article, but it does not discuss the specific type of subquery that
is the subject of the original questioner; namely, the [ ]. syntax for
subqueries.
 

Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 

-----Original Message-----
From: dave sharpe [mailto:davesharpe2 at cox.net] 
Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 21:42
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


Friends I found this on the subject and thought that
it might be of benefit to some members of the group.
 
http://www.nesug.org/Proceedings/nesug98/dbas/p005.pdf
 
Dave
 

	----- Original Message ----- 
	From: Wortz, Charles <mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>  
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
	Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:45 PM
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery

	Also, about a year ago this subject was brought up with about
the same
	amount of information documented.
	
	Charles Wortz
	-----Original Message-----
	From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
	Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 11:16
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
	
	But, Gustav, we just created references to it here! <VBG>
	
	Charlotte Foust
	
	-----Original Message-----
	From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
	Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:51 PM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
	
	
	Hi Charlotte
	
	> ..  If you ever find it in help, for goodness sake, post the
reference
	
	> here!
	
	I would say: if you ever find any reference to this, post it
here.
	
	/gustav
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From viner at eunet.yu  Thu May  8 07:29:09 2003
From: viner at eunet.yu (Ervin Brindza)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 14:29:09 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Insert record into  fake group
References: <002f01c3154e$06f29760$0100a8c0@razvoj>
	<4417397976.20030508130006@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <002901c3155d$cba90760$0100a8c0@razvoj>

> Why not simply update the SchoolOrder:
Gustav,
I think you were right that sometimes I have to update the field
SchoolOrder. If I use John's system(and I think I will) where the
SchoolOrder consist from 2 parts: "Group.OrderInGroup" everything is ok,
except when arise a new group which have to shift the existing groups or
orders...
I have to admit that part "Group" here means City, the part "OrderInGroup"
is order within a group(within a city) and the field SchoolOrder is here to
sort schools in order how will salesperson visit them.
E.g. when new first group arise then each Group have to be incremented. The
same is for the part OrderInGroup: e.g. when arise new first in some group
then the part OrderInGroup have to be incremented...
Thanks anyway, I'll try to make some update queries tomorrow.
Best regards,
    Ervin




From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Thu May  8 07:50:16 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 12:50:16 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Visual Basic 6 (temp files)
Message-ID: <20030508125016.LXIS28680.fep03-svc.ttys.com@localhost>

To all,

I have been working with Visual Basic 6 for around 18 months now and have noticed that VB temp files get placed virtually anywhere, so a couple of stupid questions to follow......

1.  Are these temp files really required ?
2.  If they are, is there anyway to put them in a specific directory ?

Thanks in advance.....

Paul

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu May  8 07:55:00 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 14:55:00 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Insert record into  fake group
In-Reply-To: <002901c3155d$cba90760$0100a8c0@razvoj>
References: <002f01c3154e$06f29760$0100a8c0@razvoj>
 <4417397976.20030508130006@cactus.dk> <002901c3155d$cba90760$0100a8c0@razvoj>
Message-ID: <12924291649.20030508145500@cactus.dk>

Hi Ervin

Before you'll get beaten by the normalization gurus of the list (I'm
one but I don't beat) you should consider to split those sort orders
out to separate (numeric) fields. In the long run I'm convinced it'll
save you a lot of trouble.

/gustav


>> Why not simply update the SchoolOrder:

> I think you were right that sometimes I have to update the field
> SchoolOrder. If I use John's system(and I think I will) where the
> SchoolOrder consist from 2 parts: "Group.OrderInGroup" everything is ok,
> except when arise a new group which have to shift the existing groups or
> orders...

> I have to admit that part "Group" here means City, the part "OrderInGroup"
> is order within a group(within a city) and the field SchoolOrder is here to
> sort schools in order how will salesperson visit them.
> E.g. when new first group arise then each Group have to be incremented. The
> same is for the part OrderInGroup: e.g. when arise new first in some group
> then the part OrderInGroup have to be incremented...

> Thanks anyway, I'll try to make some update queries tomorrow.


From delliker at hotmail.com  Thu May  8 08:11:41 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 09:11:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
Message-ID: <Law12-F3OSveSQDslHt00006a80@hotmail.com>

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From davesharpe2 at cox.net  Thu May  8 08:40:48 2003
From: davesharpe2 at cox.net (davesharpe2 at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 9:40:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <20030508134048.NBIT23518.lakemtao03.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>

Charles, I agree. 

One thing I would like to note that I'm not
sure that I see the significance of the
"[ ]. syntax" ( while I agree that it works ).

I get the same results using the following
two queries. ( I regret that my client word-
wrapped the examples )

================================
1 - Using [ ].
SELECT
Count(*) AS DaysUnique
FROM
[SELECT DISTINCT po_date  FROM LAW70_PURCHORDER]. AS subDistinctDays

2 - Using a normal "SubQuery in the From Clause"
SELECT
Count(*) AS DaysUnique
FROM
(SELECT DISTINCT po_date  FROM LAW70_PURCHORDER) AS subDistinctDays

Dave

> 
> From: "Wortz, Charles" <CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>
> Date: 2003/05/08 Thu AM 08:20:49 EDT
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> Dave,
>  
> Nice article, but it does not discuss the specific type of subquery that
> is the subject of the original questioner; namely, the [ ]. syntax for
> subqueries.
>  
> 
> Charles Wortz 
> Software Development Division 
> Texas Education Agency 
> 1701 N. Congress Ave 
> Austin, TX 78701-1494 
> 512-463-9493 
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dave sharpe [mailto:davesharpe2 at cox.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 21:42
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> 
> Friends I found this on the subject and thought that
> it might be of benefit to some members of the group.
>  
> http://www.nesug.org/Proceedings/nesug98/dbas/p005.pdf
>  
> Dave
>  
> 
> 	----- Original Message ----- 
> 	From: Wortz, Charles <mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>  
> 	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> 	Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:45 PM
> 	Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> 	Also, about a year ago this subject was brought up with about
> the same
> 	amount of information documented.
> 	
> 	Charles Wortz
> 	-----Original Message-----
> 	From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
> 	Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 11:16
> 	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> 	Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 	
> 	But, Gustav, we just created references to it here! <VBG>
> 	
> 	Charlotte Foust
> 	
> 	-----Original Message-----
> 	From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
> 	Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:51 PM
> 	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> 	Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 	
> 	
> 	Hi Charlotte
> 	
> 	> ..  If you ever find it in help, for goodness sake, post the
> reference
> 	
> 	> here!
> 	
> 	I would say: if you ever find any reference to this, post it
> here.
> 	
> 	/gustav
> 	_______________________________________________
> 	AccessD mailing list
> 	AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> 	http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> 	Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 	
> 
> 
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu May  8 08:51:52 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 09:51:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B90@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

A97 generates an error (Syntax error in FROM clause) using the second syntax but not the []. syntax

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: davesharpe2 at cox.net [mailto:davesharpe2 at cox.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 9:41 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


Charles, I agree. 

One thing I would like to note that I'm not
sure that I see the significance of the
"[ ]. syntax" ( while I agree that it works ).

I get the same results using the following
two queries. ( I regret that my client word-
wrapped the examples )

================================
1 - Using [ ].
SELECT
Count(*) AS DaysUnique
FROM
[SELECT DISTINCT po_date  FROM LAW70_PURCHORDER]. AS subDistinctDays

2 - Using a normal "SubQuery in the From Clause"
SELECT
Count(*) AS DaysUnique
FROM
(SELECT DISTINCT po_date  FROM LAW70_PURCHORDER) AS subDistinctDays

Dave

> 
> From: "Wortz, Charles" <CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>
> Date: 2003/05/08 Thu AM 08:20:49 EDT
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> Dave,
>  
> Nice article, but it does not discuss the specific type of subquery that
> is the subject of the original questioner; namely, the [ ]. syntax for
> subqueries.
>  
> 
> Charles Wortz 
> Software Development Division 
> Texas Education Agency 
> 1701 N. Congress Ave 
> Austin, TX 78701-1494 
> 512-463-9493 
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dave sharpe [mailto:davesharpe2 at cox.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 21:42
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> 
> Friends I found this on the subject and thought that
> it might be of benefit to some members of the group.
>  
> http://www.nesug.org/Proceedings/nesug98/dbas/p005.pdf
>  
> Dave
>  
> 
> 	----- Original Message ----- 
> 	From: Wortz, Charles <mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>  
> 	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> 	Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:45 PM
> 	Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> 	Also, about a year ago this subject was brought up with about
> the same
> 	amount of information documented.
> 	
> 	Charles Wortz
> 	-----Original Message-----
> 	From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
> 	Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 11:16
> 	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> 	Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 	
> 	But, Gustav, we just created references to it here! <VBG>
> 	
> 	Charlotte Foust
> 	
> 	-----Original Message-----
> 	From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
> 	Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:51 PM
> 	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> 	Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 	
> 	
> 	Hi Charlotte
> 	
> 	> ..  If you ever find it in help, for goodness sake, post the
> reference
> 	
> 	> here!
> 	
> 	I would say: if you ever find any reference to this, post it
> here.
> 	
> 	/gustav
> 	_______________________________________________
> 	AccessD mailing list
> 	AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> 	http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> 	Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 	
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 


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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Thu May  8 09:00:48 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 09:00:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F877FC@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Dave,

I have to agree with you.  From the article you cited, we can see how to
write regular subqueries.  So why the special []. syntax exists, and
what does it do that the regular subquery cannot do, still has not been
explained.

Maybe somebody that is between projects will take the time to
investigate what []. does and will report back to us.  Many-to-Many is
always looking for good articles.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: davesharpe2 at cox.net [mailto:davesharpe2 at cox.net] 
Sent: Thursday 2003 May 08 08:41
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
I
Charles, I agree. 

One thing I would like to note that I'm not
sure that I see the significance of the
"[ ]. syntax" ( while I agree that it works ).

I get the same results using the following
two queries. ( I regret that my client word-
wrapped the examples )

================================
1 - Using [ ].
SELECT
Count(*) AS DaysUnique
FROM
[SELECT DISTINCT po_date  FROM LAW70_PURCHORDER]. AS subDistinctDays

2 - Using a normal "SubQuery in the From Clause"
SELECT
Count(*) AS DaysUnique
FROM
(SELECT DISTINCT po_date  FROM LAW70_PURCHORDER) AS subDistinctDays

Dave

> 
> From: "Wortz, Charles" <CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>
> Date: 2003/05/08 Thu AM 08:20:49 EDT
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> Dave,
>  
> Nice article, but it does not discuss the specific type of subquery 
> that is the subject of the original questioner; namely, the [ ]. 
> syntax for subqueries.
>  
> 
> Charles Wortz
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dave sharpe [mailto:davesharpe2 at cox.net]
> Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 21:42
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> 
> Friends I found this on the subject and thought that
> it might be of benefit to some members of the group.
>  
> http://www.nesug.org/Proceedings/nesug98/dbas/p005.pdf
>  
> Dave
>  
> 
> 	----- Original Message ----- 
> 	From: Wortz, Charles <mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>  
> 	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> 	Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:45 PM
> 	Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> 	Also, about a year ago this subject was brought up with about
the 
> same
> 	amount of information documented.
> 	
> 	Charles Wortz
> 	-----Original Message-----
> 	From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
> 	Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 11:16
> 	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> 	Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 	
> 	But, Gustav, we just created references to it here! <VBG>
> 	
> 	Charlotte Foust
> 	
> 	-----Original Message-----
> 	From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
> 	Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:51 PM
> 	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> 	Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 	
> 	
> 	Hi Charlotte
> 	
> 	> ..  If you ever find it in help, for goodness sake, post the 
> reference
> 	
> 	> here!
> 	
> 	I would say: if you ever find any reference to this, post it
here.
> 	
> 	/gustav

From todd_5036 at msn.com  Thu May  8 09:18:56 2003
From: todd_5036 at msn.com (Todd Buttrey)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 09:18:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 97 and virtual DOS
Message-ID: <BAY4-F17PiNDcvMemAs00008598@hotmail.com>

I have an Access 97 app that I created and distribute with the run-time 
version of Access 97.  Everything works just fine (or atleast as designed).  
My question is that when the app is launched, two entries appear in the task 
manager, ntvdm.exe and wowexec.exe.  This implies that something is trying 
to run in the 16-bit world.  I know that Access 97 is 32-bit.  I would like 
to remove whatever is trying to run in 16-bit to possibly make the app more 
efficient and faster.  Any clues?

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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Thu May  8 09:37:35 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 09:37:35 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Disabling Links in Excel
In-Reply-To: <BAY4-F17PiNDcvMemAs00008598@hotmail.com>
References: <BAY4-F17PiNDcvMemAs00008598@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <36629.199.67.140.20.1052404655.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>

Hey

I have an excel dovument that is linked to others, that I have to send to
several people each day. When they click for it to open it promts whether
they wish to update the links. I am looking at the document right now to
see how I can disable the links after its finished. The only options I see
are "Update Now", "Open Source", and "Change Source". Does anyone know how
to do it ?

Oleg


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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Thu May  8 09:41:01 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 10:41:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Insert record into  fake group
References: <002f01c3154e$06f29760$0100a8c0@razvoj>
	<4417397976.20030508130006@cactus.dk> <002901c3155d$cba90760$0100a8c0@razvoj>
	<12924291649.20030508145500@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <003d01c3156f$d8c44380$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

"I'm one but I don't beat"

...just don't mention Novell anywhere within a parsec of gustav! :))))))

William Hindman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert record into fake group


> Hi Ervin
>
> Before you'll get beaten by the normalization gurus of the list (I'm
> one but I don't beat) you should consider to split those sort orders
> out to separate (numeric) fields. In the long run I'm convinced it'll
> save you a lot of trouble.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >> Why not simply update the SchoolOrder:
>
> > I think you were right that sometimes I have to update the field
> > SchoolOrder. If I use John's system(and I think I will) where the
> > SchoolOrder consist from 2 parts: "Group.OrderInGroup" everything is ok,
> > except when arise a new group which have to shift the existing groups or
> > orders...
>
> > I have to admit that part "Group" here means City, the part
"OrderInGroup"
> > is order within a group(within a city) and the field SchoolOrder is here
to
> > sort schools in order how will salesperson visit them.
> > E.g. when new first group arise then each Group have to be incremented.
The
> > same is for the part OrderInGroup: e.g. when arise new first in some
group
> > then the part OrderInGroup have to be incremented...
>
> > Thanks anyway, I'll try to make some update queries tomorrow.
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu May  8 09:50:38 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 10:50:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Insert record into  fake group
In-Reply-To: <003d01c3156f$d8c44380$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEPNDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

ROTFL.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:41 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert record into fake group


"I'm one but I don't beat"

...just don't mention Novell anywhere within a parsec of gustav! :))))))

William Hindman
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert record into fake group


> Hi Ervin
>
> Before you'll get beaten by the normalization gurus of the list (I'm
> one but I don't beat) you should consider to split those sort orders
> out to separate (numeric) fields. In the long run I'm convinced it'll
> save you a lot of trouble.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >> Why not simply update the SchoolOrder:
>
> > I think you were right that sometimes I have to update the field
> > SchoolOrder. If I use John's system(and I think I will) where the
> > SchoolOrder consist from 2 parts: "Group.OrderInGroup" everything is ok,
> > except when arise a new group which have to shift the existing groups or
> > orders...
>
> > I have to admit that part "Group" here means City, the part
"OrderInGroup"
> > is order within a group(within a city) and the field SchoolOrder is here
to
> > sort schools in order how will salesperson visit them.
> > E.g. when new first group arise then each Group have to be incremented.
The
> > same is for the part OrderInGroup: e.g. when arise new first in some
group
> > then the part OrderInGroup have to be incremented...
>
> > Thanks anyway, I'll try to make some update queries tomorrow.
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu May  8 09:51:16 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 10:51:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Insert record into  fake group
In-Reply-To: <003d01c3156f$d8c44380$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEPNDKAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Or internationalization!!!

<grin>

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:41 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert record into fake group


"I'm one but I don't beat"

...just don't mention Novell anywhere within a parsec of gustav! :))))))

William Hindman
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert record into fake group


> Hi Ervin
>
> Before you'll get beaten by the normalization gurus of the list (I'm
> one but I don't beat) you should consider to split those sort orders
> out to separate (numeric) fields. In the long run I'm convinced it'll
> save you a lot of trouble.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >> Why not simply update the SchoolOrder:
>
> > I think you were right that sometimes I have to update the field
> > SchoolOrder. If I use John's system(and I think I will) where the
> > SchoolOrder consist from 2 parts: "Group.OrderInGroup" everything is ok,
> > except when arise a new group which have to shift the existing groups or
> > orders...
>
> > I have to admit that part "Group" here means City, the part
"OrderInGroup"
> > is order within a group(within a city) and the field SchoolOrder is here
to
> > sort schools in order how will salesperson visit them.
> > E.g. when new first group arise then each Group have to be incremented.
The
> > same is for the part OrderInGroup: e.g. when arise new first in some
group
> > then the part OrderInGroup have to be incremented...
>
> > Thanks anyway, I'll try to make some update queries tomorrow.
>
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Thu May  8 09:56:41 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 10:56:41 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF4038977BB@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

It seems to me that the [Select * from Foo].  syntax allows one to create
queries in Access that use a sub-query as the base table. In other words you
don't need a temporary table or an already saved query. This is something
I've often wished I could do, if only the [ ]. syntax was documented
somewhere. 

Which begs the question - just how did this special syntax get discovered?
It always intrigues me when someone pops out of the woods and says "hey look
at this undocumented feature..."

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Wortz, Charles [SMTP:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us]
> Sent:	Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:01 AM
> To:	accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject:	RE: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> Dave,
> 
> I have to agree with you.  From the article you cited, we can see how to
> write regular subqueries.  So why the special []. syntax exists, and
> what does it do that the regular subquery cannot do, still has not been
> explained.
> 
> Maybe somebody that is between projects will take the time to
> investigate what []. does and will report back to us.  Many-to-Many is
> always looking for good articles.
> 
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
> 
> 
> 

From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May  8 10:04:53 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 08:04:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F1D@infoserver01.infostat.local>

That is exactly what it does.  I discovered it by accident when I tried
to use a subquery that way and discovered that the SQL editor switched
my regular parens to square brackets and a period.  I don't know how
anyone else might have found it.  All I can suggest is that you try it.
You will need to alias the in-line subquery in order to refer to its
fields in a join.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Heenan, Lambert [mailto:Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 6:57 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


It seems to me that the [Select * from Foo].  syntax allows one to
create queries in Access that use a sub-query as the base table. In
other words you don't need a temporary table or an already saved query.
This is something I've often wished I could do, if only the [ ]. syntax
was documented somewhere. 

Which begs the question - just how did this special syntax get
discovered? It always intrigues me when someone pops out of the woods
and says "hey look at this undocumented feature..."

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Wortz, Charles [SMTP:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us]
> Sent:	Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:01 AM
> To:	accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject:	RE: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> Dave,
> 
> I have to agree with you.  From the article you cited, we can see how 
> to write regular subqueries.  So why the special []. syntax exists, 
> and what does it do that the regular subquery cannot do, still has not

> been explained.
> 
> Maybe somebody that is between projects will take the time to 
> investigate what []. does and will report back to us.  Many-to-Many is

> always looking for good articles.
> 
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
> 
> 
> 
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From delliker at hotmail.com  Thu May  8 10:06:10 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 11:06:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access 97 and virtual DOS
Message-ID: <Law12-F109gGLcJqZpi000070ef@hotmail.com>

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May  8 10:09:44 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 08:09:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F1E@infoserver01.infostat.local>

In A97, the parens didn't work.  Even in later versions, I've seen the
query editor change the parens to the []. Syntax after you save the
query and reopen the SQL.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: davesharpe2 at cox.net [mailto:davesharpe2 at cox.net] 
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 5:41 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


Charles, I agree. 

One thing I would like to note that I'm not
sure that I see the significance of the
"[ ]. syntax" ( while I agree that it works ).

I get the same results using the following
two queries. ( I regret that my client word-
wrapped the examples )

================================
1 - Using [ ].
SELECT
Count(*) AS DaysUnique
FROM
[SELECT DISTINCT po_date  FROM LAW70_PURCHORDER]. AS subDistinctDays

2 - Using a normal "SubQuery in the From Clause"
SELECT
Count(*) AS DaysUnique
FROM
(SELECT DISTINCT po_date  FROM LAW70_PURCHORDER) AS subDistinctDays

Dave

> 
> From: "Wortz, Charles" <CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>
> Date: 2003/05/08 Thu AM 08:20:49 EDT
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> Dave,
>  
> Nice article, but it does not discuss the specific type of subquery 
> that is the subject of the original questioner; namely, the [ ]. 
> syntax for subqueries.
>  
> 
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division 
> Texas Education Agency 
> 1701 N. Congress Ave 
> Austin, TX 78701-1494 
> 512-463-9493 
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dave sharpe [mailto:davesharpe2 at cox.net]
> Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 21:42
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> 
> Friends I found this on the subject and thought that
> it might be of benefit to some members of the group.
>  
> http://www.nesug.org/Proceedings/nesug98/dbas/p005.pdf
>  
> Dave
>  
> 
> 	----- Original Message ----- 
> 	From: Wortz, Charles <mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>  
> 	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> 	Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:45 PM
> 	Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> 	Also, about a year ago this subject was brought up with about
the 
> same
> 	amount of information documented.
> 	
> 	Charles Wortz
> 	-----Original Message-----
> 	From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
> 	Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 11:16
> 	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> 	Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 	
> 	But, Gustav, we just created references to it here! <VBG>
> 	
> 	Charlotte Foust
> 	
> 	-----Original Message-----
> 	From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
> 	Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:51 PM
> 	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> 	Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 	
> 	
> 	Hi Charlotte
> 	
> 	> ..  If you ever find it in help, for goodness sake, post the 
> reference
> 	
> 	> here!
> 	
> 	I would say: if you ever find any reference to this, post it
here.
> 	
> 	/gustav
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> 
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> 

From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May  8 10:10:43 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 08:10:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access 97 and virtual DOS
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F1F@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Maybe an ActiveX control.
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
	Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 7:06 AM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 97 and virtual DOS
	
	

	Perhaps an aliased call to the API from some copied code? For
common dialog or somesuch thing?

	_d 
	

	"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for
them." 
	
	>From: "Todd Buttrey" 
	>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
	>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
	>Subject: [AccessD] Access 97 and virtual DOS 
	>Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 09:18:56 -0500 
	> 
	>I have an Access 97 app that I created and distribute with the 
	>run-time version of Access 97. Everything works just fine (or 
	>atleast as designed). My question is that when the app is
launched, 
	>two entries appear in the task manager, ntvdm.exe and
wowexec.exe. 
	>This implies that something is trying to run in the 16-bit
world. I 
	>know that Access 97 is 32-bit. I would like to remove whatever
is 
	>trying to run in 16-bit to possibly make the app more efficient
and 
	>faster. Any clues? 
	> 
	
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From john at winhaven.net  Thu May  8 10:13:48 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 10:13:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
In-Reply-To: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F877FC@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIAECCEHAA.john@winhaven.net>

I read about this syntax in Access Advisor a couple of years ago. It was
something a user wrote in for a tip. Ken Getz (tips editor) had the same
reaction that everyone else seems to have - how did you figure this out?! He
couldn't find it documented anywhere.

I pulled it out from my collection a couple of months ago to review it and
now I can't find that issue! When I find it again I will share it and the
author's name.

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz, Charles
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 9:01 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
>
>
> Dave,
>
> I have to agree with you.  From the article you cited, we can see how to
> write regular subqueries.  So why the special []. syntax exists, and
> what does it do that the regular subquery cannot do, still has not been
> explained.
>
> Maybe somebody that is between projects will take the time to
> investigate what []. does and will report back to us.  Many-to-Many is
> always looking for good articles.
>
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: davesharpe2 at cox.net [mailto:davesharpe2 at cox.net]
> Sent: Thursday 2003 May 08 08:41
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> I
> Charles, I agree.
>
> One thing I would like to note that I'm not
> sure that I see the significance of the
> "[ ]. syntax" ( while I agree that it works ).
>
> I get the same results using the following
> two queries. ( I regret that my client word-
> wrapped the examples )
>
> ================================
> 1 - Using [ ].
> SELECT
> Count(*) AS DaysUnique
> FROM
> [SELECT DISTINCT po_date  FROM LAW70_PURCHORDER]. AS subDistinctDays
>
> 2 - Using a normal "SubQuery in the From Clause"
> SELECT
> Count(*) AS DaysUnique
> FROM
> (SELECT DISTINCT po_date  FROM LAW70_PURCHORDER) AS subDistinctDays
>
> Dave
>
> >
> > From: "Wortz, Charles" <CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>
> > Date: 2003/05/08 Thu AM 08:20:49 EDT
> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> >
> > Dave,
> >
> > Nice article, but it does not discuss the specific type of subquery
> > that is the subject of the original questioner; namely, the [ ].
> > syntax for subqueries.
> >
> >
> > Charles Wortz
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dave sharpe [mailto:davesharpe2 at cox.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 21:42
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> >
> >
> > Friends I found this on the subject and thought that
> > it might be of benefit to some members of the group.
> >
> > http://www.nesug.org/Proceedings/nesug98/dbas/p005.pdf
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > 	----- Original Message -----
> > 	From: Wortz, Charles <mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>
> > 	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > 	Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:45 PM
> > 	Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> >
> > 	Also, about a year ago this subject was brought up with about
> the
> > same
> > 	amount of information documented.
> >
> > 	Charles Wortz
> > 	-----Original Message-----
> > 	From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> > 	Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 11:16
> > 	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > 	Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> >
> > 	But, Gustav, we just created references to it here! <VBG>
> >
> > 	Charlotte Foust
> >
> > 	-----Original Message-----
> > 	From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> > 	Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:51 PM
> > 	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > 	Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> >
> >
> > 	Hi Charlotte
> >
> > 	> ..  If you ever find it in help, for goodness sake, post the
> > reference
> >
> > 	> here!
> >
> > 	I would say: if you ever find any reference to this, post it
> here.
> >
> > 	/gustav
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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Thu May  8 10:14:11 2003
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon-Taylor)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 11:14:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT:Turning off Internet Access in Win2000-Solved
Message-ID: <Law14-F43l1KNFR1pIu00002a7c@hotmail.com>

Just to let all of you know, this is what a friend of mine suggested:

Make sure local hard drive is formatted NTFS.

    In IE,  under Tools, Internet Options, Connections, edit LAN Settings
to use a false proxy server (like 10.0.0.1).   Check "bypass proxy for
intranet connections" if they need to browse a local resource.

    Right click on the folder "C:\Program Files\Internet
Explorer\Connection Wizard" and select Properties.  Clear the check box at
the bottom that refers to inheriting permissions, and select Copy
permissions when prompted.

     Add Domain Admins and Administrators, give them Full Control, then
remove Everyone.

     Follow same procedure for files C:\WINNT\SYSTEM32\INETCPL.CPL, and C:
\Program Files\Internet Explorer\Iexplore.exe.

This will restrict anyone but Domain Admins and Administrators from running
Internet Explorer, running the Connection Wizard, or changing the Internet
Options.


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu May  8 10:15:12 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 17:15:12 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
In-Reply-To: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF4038977BB@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
References: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF4038977BB@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
Message-ID: <13632704166.20030508171512@cactus.dk>

Hi Lambert

> It seems to me that the [Select * from Foo].  syntax allows one to create
> queries in Access that use a sub-query as the base table. In other words you
> don't need a temporary table or an already saved query. This is something
> I've often wished I could do, if only the [ ]. syntax was documented
> somewhere. 

> Which begs the question - just how did this special syntax get discovered?
> It always intrigues me when someone pops out of the woods and says "hey look
> at this undocumented feature..."

It was someone called Paul in July 2001 that mentioned it as common
knowledge ...

/gustav


From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu May  8 10:18:42 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 17:18:42 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Disabling Links in Excel
In-Reply-To: <36629.199.67.140.20.1052404655.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>
References: <BAY4-F17PiNDcvMemAs00008598@hotmail.com>
 <36629.199.67.140.20.1052404655.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <19832913937.20030508171842@cactus.dk>

Hi Oleg

If you use the workbook just for sending data with no need for
formulas you can replace all formulas and links of the cells with the
calculated values.

/gustav


> I have an excel dovument that is linked to others, that I have to send to
> several people each day. When they click for it to open it promts whether
> they wish to update the links. I am looking at the document right now to
> see how I can disable the links after its finished. The only options I see
> are "Update Now", "Open Source", and "Change Source". Does anyone know how
> to do it ?

> Oleg


From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu May  8 10:34:48 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 17:34:48 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Insert record into  fake group
In-Reply-To: <003d01c3156f$d8c44380$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>
References: <002f01c3154e$06f29760$0100a8c0@razvoj>
 <4417397976.20030508130006@cactus.dk> <002901c3155d$cba90760$0100a8c0@razvoj>
 <12924291649.20030508145500@cactus.dk>
 <003d01c3156f$d8c44380$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>
Message-ID: <17033879476.20030508173448@cactus.dk>

Hi William and John

Now see what happens after I've been nice to both of you for a long
time! 

(Of course that's 'cause I know William has been dismantled while
goofing around with his Win profiles and John is lost in his .net
extravaganza) 

/gustav


> "I'm one but I don't beat"

> ...just don't mention Novell anywhere within a parsec of gustav! :))))))

> William Hindman
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 8:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert record into fake group


>> Hi Ervin
>>
>> Before you'll get beaten by the normalization gurus of the list (I'm
>> one but I don't beat) you should consider to split those sort orders
>> out to separate (numeric) fields. In the long run I'm convinced it'll
>> save you a lot of trouble.


From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Thu May  8 10:35:42 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 10:35:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Disabling Links in Excel
In-Reply-To: <19832913937.20030508171842@cactus.dk>
References: <BAY4-F17PiNDcvMemAs00008598@hotmail.com>
        <36629.199.67.140.20.1052404655.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>
        <19832913937.20030508171842@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <55337.199.67.140.20.1052408142.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>

Gustav,

you mean cop/paste special-values ?
I've done that; it get read of 4 links, but still keeps one. And there is
still that "Would you like to refresh the lnik" message which management
doesn't like.

> Hi Oleg
>
> If you use the workbook just for sending data with no need for
> formulas you can replace all formulas and links of the cells with the
> calculated values.
>
> /gustav
>
>
>> I have an excel dovument that is linked to others, that I have to send
>> to several people each day. When they click for it to open it promts
>> whether they wish to update the links. I am looking at the document
>> right now to see how I can disable the links after its finished. The
>> only options I see are "Update Now", "Open Source", and "Change
>> Source". Does anyone know how to do it ?
>
>> Oleg
>
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From todd_5036 at msn.com  Thu May  8 10:55:22 2003
From: todd_5036 at msn.com (Todd Buttrey)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 10:55:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 97 and virtual DOS
Message-ID: <BAY4-F286i9J1Mm3xFK00008c88@hotmail.com>

I'll check and see.  It originally was a 2.0 app that I converted to 97.  I 
may have missed a few calls.

Thanks


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Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 97 and virtual DOS
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 11:06:10 -0400

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From todd_5036 at msn.com  Thu May  8 10:57:10 2003
From: todd_5036 at msn.com (Todd Buttrey)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 10:57:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 97 and virtual DOS
Message-ID: <BAY4-F32nDAPk6ayc7b00008ea8@hotmail.com>

There originally was a tab control when it was a 2.0 app.  I tool it out 
when I converted it to 97. There were no other 3rd party ActiveX controls.  
Thanks


----Original Message Follows----
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access 97 and virtual DOS
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 08:10:43 -0700

Maybe an ActiveX control.

Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com]
	Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 7:06 AM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 97 and virtual DOS



	Perhaps an aliased call to the API from some copied code? For
common dialog or somesuch thing?

	_d


	"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for
them."

	>From: "Todd Buttrey"
	>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	>Subject: [AccessD] Access 97 and virtual DOS
	>Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 09:18:56 -0500
	>
	>I have an Access 97 app that I created and distribute with the
	>run-time version of Access 97. Everything works just fine (or
	>atleast as designed). My question is that when the app is
launched,
	>two entries appear in the task manager, ntvdm.exe and
wowexec.exe.
	>This implies that something is trying to run in the 16-bit
world. I
	>know that Access 97 is 32-bit. I would like to remove whatever
is
	>trying to run in 16-bit to possibly make the app more efficient
and
	>faster. Any clues?
	>

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu May  8 11:29:31 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 09:29:31 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT:Turning off Internet Access in Win2000-Solved
In-Reply-To: <Law14-F43l1KNFR1pIu00002a7c@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFKEPKCHAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Great piece of information Julie...

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Julie
Reardon-Taylor
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 8:14 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT:Turning off Internet Access in Win2000-Solved


Just to let all of you know, this is what a friend of mine suggested:

Make sure local hard drive is formatted NTFS.

    In IE,  under Tools, Internet Options, Connections, edit LAN Settings
to use a false proxy server (like 10.0.0.1).   Check "bypass proxy for
intranet connections" if they need to browse a local resource.

    Right click on the folder "C:\Program Files\Internet
Explorer\Connection Wizard" and select Properties.  Clear the check box at
the bottom that refers to inheriting permissions, and select Copy
permissions when prompted.

     Add Domain Admins and Administrators, give them Full Control, then
remove Everyone.

     Follow same procedure for files C:\WINNT\SYSTEM32\INETCPL.CPL, and C:
\Program Files\Internet Explorer\Iexplore.exe.

This will restrict anyone but Domain Admins and Administrators from running
Internet Explorer, running the Connection Wizard, or changing the Internet
Options.


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www.pro-soft.net

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From john at winhaven.net  Thu May  8 11:45:56 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 11:45:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
In-Reply-To: <13632704166.20030508171512@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJMEEOEFAA.john@winhaven.net>

Ah, man on a mission - I found the issue of Access Advisor.

It was December 2001 Advisor Tips

"Creating Derived Tables in Jet"

Access 2002/200/97

SQL Server lets you create derived tables, which are SELECT statements that
appear in the FROM clause of a query. In other words, you can select from
the resultset returned by a nested SELECT  statement. There is no documented
way to accomplish this in a Jet query without using a saved nested query,
but there is a, but there is a little-known synatx that makes it possible.
The following query runs in Access 97 and uses a derived table named "GIO"
which is not a saved object. The derived table must be enclosed in square
brackets and terminated with a period: [<Select Staement>].

SELECT Products.ProductName, Products.UnitPrice, Gio.CatAvg,
Categories.CategoryName
FROM (Products INNER JOIN [SELECT Products.CategoryID,
Categories.CategoryName, Avg(Products.UnitPrice) AS CatAvg
FROM Categories
INNER JOIN Products
ON Categories.CategoryID = Products.CategoryID
GROUP BY Products.CategoryID, Categories.CategoryName]. AS Gio ON
Gio.CategoryID = Products.CategoryID) INNER JOIN Categories ON
Products.CategoryID = Categories.CategoryID
ORDER BY Products.ProductID;

-Giovanni Caruso, via Andy Barron, Contributing Editor

Open Northwind DB and paste the listed select statement into the SQL window
of a query, save it and then run it to see the results. Don't try to run
before saving though because the query design grid will mess it up really
bad.

I checked the archives of every other access list I know of and other than
"Paul's" response to Gustav on AccessD in mid 2001 it is the earliest
reference to this syntax I can find. Given that Giovanni's tip was probably
submitted months before it was actually published it would be hard to know
which was first. It could be coincidence that both of them originated at
roughly the same time. But then again, I have seen a lot of tips in
newsletters and magazines, from both readers and staff, that seem to arrive
shortly after an item was discussed on one list or another! Maybe Giovanni
saw the tip here and really wanted one of those t-shirts from Access
Advisor!

JB



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:15 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
>
>
> Hi Lambert
>
> > It seems to me that the [Select * from Foo].  syntax allows one
> to create
> > queries in Access that use a sub-query as the base table. In
> other words you
> > don't need a temporary table or an already saved query. This is
> something
> > I've often wished I could do, if only the [ ]. syntax was documented
> > somewhere.
>
> > Which begs the question - just how did this special syntax get
> discovered?
> > It always intrigues me when someone pops out of the woods and
> says "hey look
> > at this undocumented feature..."
>
> It was someone called Paul in July 2001 that mentioned it as common
> knowledge ...
>
> /gustav
>
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From nancy.lytle at auatac.com  Thu May  8 12:30:31 2003
From: nancy.lytle at auatac.com (Nancy Lytle)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 13:30:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
Message-ID: <OPEHJDCMPKDOHDELKBPHGEHNDLAA.nancy.lytle@auatac.com>

Can anyone see what is wrong with this statement?
I have a feeling it has to do with quote marks but I have been pulling my
hair out trying to get it,  I guess I just can't see the forrest for the
trees.

strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription],
[ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values "
strSQLInsert = strSQLInsert & "('" & lngErrNumber & "' ,'" &
Left(strErrDescription, 255) & "' ,'" & Now() & "', '" & fcnOSUserName & "',
'" & vShowUser & "', '" & strCallingProc & "')"

This is how it reads when I try and do the insert:
insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], [UserName],
[ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is
misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:28:00 PM',
'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')

Thanks,
Nancy L


From papparuff at attbi.com  Thu May  8 12:34:31 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 10:34:31 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
In-Reply-To: <OPEHJDCMPKDOHDELKBPHGEHNDLAA.nancy.lytle@auatac.com>
Message-ID: <00d301c31588$15adc0b0$6401a8c0@papparuff>

strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription],
[ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values " 

Error in this second line, the lngErrNumber is a number so remove the
apostrophe before and after lngErrNumber.  Now() is a date so place a #
before and after Now().  The SQL statement should be;
strSQLInsert = strSQLInsert & "(" & lngErrNumber & ",'" &
Left(strErrDescription, 255) & "',#" & Now() & "#', '" & fcnOSUserName & "',
'" & vShowUser & "', '" & strCallingProc & "')"



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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:31 AM
To: Accessd
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem


Can anyone see what is wrong with this statement?
I have a feeling it has to do with quote marks but I have been pulling my
hair out trying to get it,  I guess I just can't see the forrest for the
trees.

strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription],
[ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values " strSQLInsert =
strSQLInsert & "('" & lngErrNumber & "' ,'" & Left(strErrDescription, 255) &
"' ,'" & Now() & "', '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "', '" &
strCallingProc & "')"

This is how it reads when I try and do the insert:
insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], [UserName],
[ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is
misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:28:00 PM',
'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')

Thanks,
Nancy L

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May  8 12:48:35 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 10:48:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F22@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I've noticed the phenomenon over the years that all the mags on the same
general topic will tend to have similar articles at about the same time.
I think it must be ESP or aliens!  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 8:46 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


Ah, man on a mission - I found the issue of Access Advisor.

It was December 2001 Advisor Tips

"Creating Derived Tables in Jet"

Access 2002/200/97

SQL Server lets you create derived tables, which are SELECT statements
that appear in the FROM clause of a query. In other words, you can
select from the resultset returned by a nested SELECT  statement. There
is no documented way to accomplish this in a Jet query without using a
saved nested query, but there is a, but there is a little-known synatx
that makes it possible. The following query runs in Access 97 and uses a
derived table named "GIO" which is not a saved object. The derived table
must be enclosed in square brackets and terminated with a period:
[<Select Staement>].

SELECT Products.ProductName, Products.UnitPrice, Gio.CatAvg,
Categories.CategoryName FROM (Products INNER JOIN [SELECT
Products.CategoryID, Categories.CategoryName, Avg(Products.UnitPrice) AS
CatAvg FROM Categories INNER JOIN Products ON Categories.CategoryID =
Products.CategoryID GROUP BY Products.CategoryID,
Categories.CategoryName]. AS Gio ON Gio.CategoryID =
Products.CategoryID) INNER JOIN Categories ON Products.CategoryID =
Categories.CategoryID ORDER BY Products.ProductID;

-Giovanni Caruso, via Andy Barron, Contributing Editor

Open Northwind DB and paste the listed select statement into the SQL
window of a query, save it and then run it to see the results. Don't try
to run before saving though because the query design grid will mess it
up really bad.

I checked the archives of every other access list I know of and other
than "Paul's" response to Gustav on AccessD in mid 2001 it is the
earliest reference to this syntax I can find. Given that Giovanni's tip
was probably submitted months before it was actually published it would
be hard to know which was first. It could be coincidence that both of
them originated at roughly the same time. But then again, I have seen a
lot of tips in newsletters and magazines, from both readers and staff,
that seem to arrive shortly after an item was discussed on one list or
another! Maybe Giovanni saw the tip here and really wanted one of those
t-shirts from Access Advisor!

JB



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:15 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
>
>
> Hi Lambert
>
> > It seems to me that the [Select * from Foo].  syntax allows one
> to create
> > queries in Access that use a sub-query as the base table. In
> other words you
> > don't need a temporary table or an already saved query. This is
> something
> > I've often wished I could do, if only the [ ]. syntax was documented

> > somewhere.
>
> > Which begs the question - just how did this special syntax get
> discovered?
> > It always intrigues me when someone pops out of the woods and
> says "hey look
> > at this undocumented feature..."
>
> It was someone called Paul in July 2001 that mentioned it as common 
> knowledge ...
>
> /gustav
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


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From nancy.lytle at auatac.com  Thu May  8 13:02:21 2003
From: nancy.lytle at auatac.com (Nancy Lytle)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 14:02:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
In-Reply-To: <00d301c31588$15adc0b0$6401a8c0@papparuff>
Message-ID: <OPEHJDCMPKDOHDELKBPHAEHODLAA.nancy.lytle@auatac.com>

Thank you for your reply but it still doesn't want to work

Using your code this is the insert statement produced:

insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], [UserName],
[ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is
misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:55:33 PM',
'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')

THe message I get is Syntax error (missing operator) in query expression:

 "The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't
exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:55:33 PM', 'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')'.

It may have to do with the single quotes inside the ErrDescription, notice
the double quotes at the beggining and single quote ending
Any ideas?

Nancy L


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Ruff
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:35 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem


strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription],
[ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values "

Error in this second line, the lngErrNumber is a number so remove the
apostrophe before and after lngErrNumber.  Now() is a date so place a #
before and after Now().  The SQL statement should be;
strSQLInsert = strSQLInsert & "(" & lngErrNumber & ",'" &
Left(strErrDescription, 255) & "',#" & Now() & "#', '" & fcnOSUserName & "',
'" & vShowUser & "', '" & strCallingProc & "')"



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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:31 AM
To: Accessd
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem


Can anyone see what is wrong with this statement?
I have a feeling it has to do with quote marks but I have been pulling my
hair out trying to get it,  I guess I just can't see the forrest for the
trees.

strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription],
[ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values " strSQLInsert =
strSQLInsert & "('" & lngErrNumber & "' ,'" & Left(strErrDescription, 255) &
"' ,'" & Now() & "', '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "', '" &
strCallingProc & "')"

This is how it reads when I try and do the insert:
insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], [UserName],
[ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is
misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:28:00 PM',
'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')

Thanks,
Nancy L

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From jim.hale at fleetpride.com  Thu May  8 13:01:00 2003
From: jim.hale at fleetpride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 13:01:00 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Disabling Links in Excel
Message-ID: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF87305F60C07@corp-es00>

It is possible for some links to be broken but remain in the spreadsheet.
You can use the following tool to locate and break links:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:
80/support/kb/articles/q188/4/49.asp&NoWebContent=1

HTH
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:36 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] (OT) Disabling Links in Excel


Gustav,

you mean cop/paste special-values ?
I've done that; it get read of 4 links, but still keeps one. And there is
still that "Would you like to refresh the lnik" message which management
doesn't like.

> Hi Oleg
>
> If you use the workbook just for sending data with no need for
> formulas you can replace all formulas and links of the cells with the
> calculated values.
>
> /gustav
>
>
>> I have an excel dovument that is linked to others, that I have to send
>> to several people each day. When they click for it to open it promts
>> whether they wish to update the links. I am looking at the document
>> right now to see how I can disable the links after its finished. The
>> only options I see are "Update Now", "Open Source", and "Change
>> Source". Does anyone know how to do it ?
>
>> Oleg
>
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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Thu May  8 13:03:49 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 13:03:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F877FE@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Charlotte,

More likely that the editors are lurkers on lists such as this.  When
they see an interesting topic come up on the lists, they each go and
commission an article from one of writers in their stables.  Thus,
several months later the mags have similar articles.  If my hypothesis
is true, then we should see some articles on []. subqueries coming out
in a few months.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: Thursday 2003 May 08 12:49
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery

I've noticed the phenomenon over the years that all the mags on the same
general topic will tend to have similar articles at about the same time.
I think it must be ESP or aliens!  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 8:46 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


Ah, man on a mission - I found the issue of Access Advisor.

It was December 2001 Advisor Tips

"Creating Derived Tables in Jet"

Access 2002/200/97

From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu May  8 13:06:45 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 19:06:45 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
In-Reply-To: <Law12-F3OSveSQDslHt00006a80@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <005f01c3158c$96866260$b274d0d5@andypc>

Is @@Identity just an ADO thing? Or even a SQL Server thing?
 
If I'm adding a record to a table in an MDB, and I'm doing it with an
SQL statement (and there are, as we know, a few ways to do that), is
there any way to retrieve the value of the autonumber field that is
defined as the Primary Key? I suspect not, which is why I use DAO on
many occasions because I need that value to, say, write to a related
sub-record.
 
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk <http://www.minstersystems.co.uk/> 



 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Don Elliker
Sent: 08 May 2003 14:12
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value



Forgive me being dense, but do you mean that @@Identity has to be used
within a transaction (DAO) to get the right autonumber for the current
record?

thanks,

_d






"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." 

>From: "Haslett, Andrew" 
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" 
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
>Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 08:56:11 +0930 
> 
>It is safer as @@Identity is linked only to the connection (or
transaction) 
>which created the record. 
> 
>Otherwise you are risking that another user will insert a record
in-between 
>adding and retrieving the ID of the record added by the first user. 
> 
>I'm not sure if that is a risk using the other methods mentioned on
this 
>list, however I *do* now that with @@Identity there is no risk of this 
>happening. 
> 
>Cheers, 
>Andrew 
> 
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
>Sent: Thursday, 8 May 2003 5:22 AM 
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> 
> 
> 
>How does this fare in a multi-user setup? 
>_D 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." 
> 
> >From: "Haslett, Andrew" 
> >Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> >To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" 
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> >Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 10:28:09 +0930 
> > 
> >Sure. 
> > 
> >Create a table (table1) with two fields (ID: Autonumber, Field1:
Text) 
> > 
> >Paste this code into a module and away you go: 
> > 
> >****************************************************************** 
> > 
> >Sub TestIdentity() 
> > 
> > Dim conn As ADODB.Connection, rs As ADODB.Recordset 
> > Set conn = CurrentProject.Connection 
> > 
> > strSQL = "INSERT INTO table1 (field1) VALUES ('SomeValue')" 
> > conn.Execute strSQL 
> > 
> > strSQL = "SELECT @@Identity" 
> > Set rs = conn.Execute(strSQL) 
> > 
> > intID = rs.Fields.Item(0).Value 
> > 
> > Debug.Print intID 
> > 
> > rs.Close 
> > conn.Close 
> > 
> >End Sub 
> > 
> >****************************************************************** 
> > 
> >Cheers, 
> >Andrew 
> > 
> >-----Original Message----- 
> >From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz] 
> >Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 9:43 AM 
> >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > 
> > 
> >Andrew, just to complete the knowledge flowing freely here (great
stuff), 
>if 
> >I've used a SQL statement to INSERT the new record, can I use
@@Identity 
> >(and how)? 
> > 
> >Thanks 
> >Stephen Bond 
> > 
> >-----Original Message----- 
> >From: Haslett, Andrew [mailto:andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au] 
> >Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 10:43 a.m. 
> >To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > 
> > 
> >Jet 4.0 supports @@Identity. Therefore if you are inserting your
record in 
> >code using ADO then it will work fine. 
> > 
> >Cheers, 
> >Andrew 
> > 
> >-----Original Message----- 
> >From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] 
> >Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 2:01 AM 
> >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > 
> > 
> >I don't think that works in MDBs, which I assume Stephen meant, else
he 
> >would have posted on the SQL list. 
> > 
> >Arthur 
> > 
> >-----Original Message----- 
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Haslett,
Andrew 
> >Sent: May 6, 2003 12:09 AM 
> >To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > 
> > 
> >SELECT @@IDENTITY 
> > 
> >-----Original Message----- 
> >From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz] 
> >Sent: Tuesday, 6 May 2003 12:23 PM 
> >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> >Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > 
> > 
> >In this thread a couple of months ago there was a solution offered to
the 
> >problem of determining the value of an ID Autonumber of a record just

>added. 
> > 
> > 
> >It was stunning in its simplicity, so of course I didn't write it
down ;-( 
> > 
> >Can anyone help? 
> > 
> >TIA 
> > 
> >Stephen Bond 
> >Otatara, New Zealand 
> >( tel 03 213 1256 fax 03 213 0123 
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu May  8 13:12:04 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 19:12:04 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
In-Reply-To: <OPEHJDCMPKDOHDELKBPHAEHODLAA.nancy.lytle@auatac.com>
Message-ID: <006a01c3158d$5435f460$b274d0d5@andypc>

Nancy
How about

strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription],
[ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values "
strSQLInsert = strSQLInsert & "(" & lngErrNumber & ", '" &
Left(strErrDescription, 255) & "' ,Now(), '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" &
vShowUser & "', '" & strCallingProc & "')"

How does that do?

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
> Sent: 08 May 2003 19:02
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
> 
> 
> Thank you for your reply but it still doesn't want to work
> 
> Using your code this is the insert statement produced:
> 
> insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], 
> [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values 
> ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers 
> to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:55:33 PM', 
> 'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')
> 
> THe message I get is Syntax error (missing operator) in query 
> expression:
> 
>  "The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form 
> that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:55:33 PM', 'nlytle', 
> 'True', 'Form_Open()')'.
> 
> It may have to do with the single quotes inside the 
> ErrDescription, notice the double quotes at the beggining and 
> single quote ending Any ideas?
> 
> Nancy L
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Ruff
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:35 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
> 
> 
> strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], 
> [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], 
> [CallingProc]) values "
> 
> Error in this second line, the lngErrNumber is a number so 
> remove the apostrophe before and after lngErrNumber.  Now() 
> is a date so place a # before and after Now().  The SQL 
> statement should be; strSQLInsert = strSQLInsert & "(" & 
> lngErrNumber & ",'" & Left(strErrDescription, 255) & "',#" & 
> Now() & "#', '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "', '" 
> & strCallingProc & "')"
> 
> 
> 
> John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
> Always Looking For Contract Opportunities
> 
> Home: 253.588.2139
> Cell: 253.307/2947
> 9306 Farwest Dr SW
> Lakewood, WA 98498
> 
> "Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
>                 and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:31 AM
> To: Accessd
> Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
> 
> 
> Can anyone see what is wrong with this statement?
> I have a feeling it has to do with quote marks but I have 
> been pulling my hair out trying to get it,  I guess I just 
> can't see the forrest for the trees.
> 
> strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], 
> [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], 
> [CallingProc]) values " strSQLInsert = strSQLInsert & "('" & 
> lngErrNumber & "' ,'" & Left(strErrDescription, 255) & "' ,'" 
> & Now() & "', '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "', 
> '" & strCallingProc & "')"
> 
> This is how it reads when I try and do the insert:
> insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], 
> [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values 
> ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers 
> to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:28:00 PM', 
> 'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')
> 
> Thanks,
> Nancy L
> 
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From papparuff at attbi.com  Thu May  8 13:14:50 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 11:14:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
In-Reply-To: <OPEHJDCMPKDOHDELKBPHAEHODLAA.nancy.lytle@auatac.com>
Message-ID: <00d901c3158d$b789cfa0$6401a8c0@papparuff>

So, if  Left(strErrDescription, 255) might have an apostrophe in it then
using Chr(34) before and after the Left(strErrDescription, 255) should work
whether there is an apostrophe or not.

lngErrNumber & ", " & chr(34) & Left(strErrDescription, 255) & chr(34) & ",
#"


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Always Looking For Contract Opportunities

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Cell: 253.307/2947
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                and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:02 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem


Thank you for your reply but it still doesn't want to work

Using your code this is the insert statement produced:

insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], [UserName],
[ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is
misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:55:33 PM',
'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')

THe message I get is Syntax error (missing operator) in query expression:

 "The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't
exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:55:33 PM', 'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')'.

It may have to do with the single quotes inside the ErrDescription, notice
the double quotes at the beggining and single quote ending Any ideas?

Nancy L


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Ruff
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:35 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem


strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription],
[ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values "

Error in this second line, the lngErrNumber is a number so remove the
apostrophe before and after lngErrNumber.  Now() is a date so place a #
before and after Now().  The SQL statement should be; strSQLInsert =
strSQLInsert & "(" & lngErrNumber & ",'" & Left(strErrDescription, 255) &
"',#" & Now() & "#', '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "', '" &
strCallingProc & "')"



John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
Always Looking For Contract Opportunities

Home: 253.588.2139
Cell: 253.307/2947
9306 Farwest Dr SW
Lakewood, WA 98498

"Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
                and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:31 AM
To: Accessd
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem


Can anyone see what is wrong with this statement?
I have a feeling it has to do with quote marks but I have been pulling my
hair out trying to get it,  I guess I just can't see the forrest for the
trees.

strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription],
[ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values " strSQLInsert =
strSQLInsert & "('" & lngErrNumber & "' ,'" & Left(strErrDescription, 255) &
"' ,'" & Now() & "', '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "', '" &
strCallingProc & "')"

This is how it reads when I try and do the insert:
insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], [UserName],
[ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is
misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:28:00 PM',
'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')

Thanks,
Nancy L

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From delliker at hotmail.com  Thu May  8 13:59:56 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 14:59:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
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From Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK  Thu May  8 14:04:01 2003
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK (Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 20:04:01 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] Relationships
In-Reply-To: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F877FE@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
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Can someone try this for me.

In any version of Access XP down - click within the relationship window and 
let me know if the edit relationships dialog opens even if a relationship line 
is not selected.


Martin

From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu May  8 14:09:57 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 20:09:57 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
In-Reply-To: <Law12-F650qcITzSOFI0000782e@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <007b01c31595$6a601ce0$b274d0d5@andypc>

:-) I like the "automagically"
But it's exactly why I can't see how it can work. How can @@Identity
know what field's value to return?

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Don Elliker
Sent: 08 May 2003 20:00
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


I have some question about this in multi-user, but I employed this
method in an A2K / DAO app and it works. In my Db the autonumber is the
PK. Do you mean automagically detect the fact that it's autonumber and
the PK? That's a cool idea.
_d





"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." 
>From: "Andy Lacey" 
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>To: 
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
>Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 19:06:45 +0100 
> 
>Is @@Identity just an ADO thing? Or even a SQL Server thing? 
> 
>If I'm adding a record to a table in an MDB, and I'm doing it with an 
>SQL statement (and there are, as we know, a few ways to do that), is 
>there any way to retrieve the value of the autonumber field that is 
>defined as the Primary Key? I suspect not, which is why I use DAO on 
>many occasions because I need that value to, say, write to a related 
>sub-record. 
> 
>Andy Lacey 
>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Don Elliker 
>Sent: 08 May 2003 14:12 
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> 
> 
> 
>Forgive me being dense, but do you mean that @@Identity has to be used 
>within a transaction (DAO) to get the right autonumber for the current 
>record? 
> 
>thanks, 
> 
>_d 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." 
> 
> >From: "Haslett, Andrew" 
> >Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> >To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" 
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> >Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 08:56:11 +0930 
> > 
> >It is safer as @@Identity is linked only to the connection (or 
>transaction) 
> >which created the record. 
> > 
> >Otherwise you are risking that another user will insert a record 
>in-between 
> >adding and retrieving the ID of the record added by the first user. 
> > 
> >I'm not sure if that is a risk using the other methods mentioned on 
>this 
> >list, however I *do* now that with @@Identity there is no risk of
this 
> >happening. 
> > 
> >Cheers, 
> >Andrew 
> > 
> >-----Original Message----- 
> >From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
> >Sent: Thursday, 8 May 2003 5:22 AM 
> >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >How does this fare in a multi-user setup? 
> >_D 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." 
> > 
> > >From: "Haslett, Andrew" 
> > >Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> > >To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" 
> > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > >Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 10:28:09 +0930 
> > > 
> > >Sure. 
> > > 
> > >Create a table (table1) with two fields (ID: Autonumber, Field1: 
>Text) 
> > > 
> > >Paste this code into a module and away you go: 
> > > 
> > >****************************************************************** 
> > > 
> > >Sub TestIdentity() 
> > > 
> > > Dim conn As ADODB.Connection, rs As ADODB.Recordset 
> > > Set conn = CurrentProject.Connection 
> > > 
> > > strSQL = "INSERT INTO table1 (field1) VALUES ('SomeValue')" 
> > > conn.Execute strSQL 
> > > 
> > > strSQL = "SELECT @@Identity" 
> > > Set rs = conn.Execute(strSQL) 
> > > 
> > > intID = rs.Fields.Item(0).Value 
> > > 
> > > Debug.Print intID 
> > > 
> > > rs.Close 
> > > conn.Close 
> > > 
> > >End Sub 
> > > 
> > >****************************************************************** 
> > > 
> > >Cheers, 
> > >Andrew 
> > > 
> > >-----Original Message----- 
> > >From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz] 
> > >Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 9:43 AM 
> > >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >Andrew, just to complete the knowledge flowing freely here (great 
>stuff), 
> >if 
> > >I've used a SQL statement to INSERT the new record, can I use 
>@@Identity 
> > >(and how)? 
> > > 
> > >Thanks 
> > >Stephen Bond 
> > > 
> > >-----Original Message----- 
> > >From: Haslett, Andrew [mailto:andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au] 
> > >Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 10:43 a.m. 
> > >To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
> > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >Jet 4.0 supports @@Identity. Therefore if you are inserting your 
>record in 
> > >code using ADO then it will work fine. 
> > > 
> > >Cheers, 
> > >Andrew 
> > > 
> > >-----Original Message----- 
> > >From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] 
> > >Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 2:01 AM 
> > >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >I don't think that works in MDBs, which I assume Stephen meant,
else 
>he 
> > >would have posted on the SQL list. 
> > > 
> > >Arthur 
> > > 
> > >-----Original Message----- 
> > >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> > >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Haslett,

>Andrew 
> > >Sent: May 6, 2003 12:09 AM 
> > >To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
> > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >SELECT @@IDENTITY 
> > > 
> > >-----Original Message----- 
> > >From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz] 
> > >Sent: Tuesday, 6 May 2003 12:23 PM 
> > >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> > >Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >In this thread a couple of months ago there was a solution offered
to 
>the 
> > >problem of determining the value of an ID Autonumber of a record
just 
> 
> >added. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >It was stunning in its simplicity, so of course I didn't write it 
>down ;-( 
> > > 
> > >Can anyone help? 
> > > 
> > >TIA 
> > > 
> > >Stephen Bond 
> > >Otatara, New Zealand 
> > >( tel 03 213 1256 fax 03 213 0123 
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From Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK  Thu May  8 13:38:11 2003
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK (Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 19:38:11 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] XML
In-Reply-To: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F877FE@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
References: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F877FE@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <1052419091.3ebaa413e9d68@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

Was the ability to import and export XML via the GUI (or using ADO) in Access 
available in any version prior to A XP? 

Martin

From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Thu May  8 14:23:00 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 14:23:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Relationships
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357D0@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Martin,

Within the Relationship window on my A02, I only get the edit
relationships dialog when I click on a relationship line.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
[mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK] 
Sent: Thursday 2003 May 08 14:04
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Relationships


Can someone try this for me.

In any version of Access XP down - click within the relationship window
and 
let me know if the edit relationships dialog opens even if a
relationship line 
is not selected.


Martin

From rmoore at comtechpst.com  Thu May  8 14:25:37 2003
From: rmoore at comtechpst.com (Ron Moore)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 15:25:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Relationships
In-Reply-To: <1052420641.3ebaaa2140d57@hosea.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <011701c31597$9b61d1b0$4814a8c0@Comtech.Comtechpst.com>

A2K - a double click brings up 'Edit Relationships' dialogue box with no
tables/queries selected.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 3:04 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Relationships


Can someone try this for me.

In any version of Access XP down - click within the relationship window and
let me know if the edit relationships dialog opens even if a relationship
line
is not selected.


Martin
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From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Thu May  8 14:28:29 2003
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 14:28:29 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Relationships
Message-ID: <8301C8A868251E4C8ECD3D4FFEA40F8A4EBCBC@cpixchng-1.cpiqpc.net>

Hi Martin,
In Access 97, the only time I can get the relationship window to show is if
I double-click on the relationship line.  Nothing comes up if I click or
double-click anywhere else (unless you right click of course).

HTH

Rusty Hammond


-----Original Message-----
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
[mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK]
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 2:04 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Relationships


Can someone try this for me.

In any version of Access XP down - click within the relationship window and 
let me know if the edit relationships dialog opens even if a relationship
line 
is not selected.


Martin
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From nancy.lytle at auatac.com  Thu May  8 14:38:12 2003
From: nancy.lytle at auatac.com (Nancy Lytle)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 15:38:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
In-Reply-To: <006a01c3158d$5435f460$b274d0d5@andypc>
Message-ID: <OPEHJDCMPKDOHDELKBPHGEIADLAA.nancy.lytle@auatac.com>

John's version gave me:

insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], [UserName],
[ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is
misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 3:10:56 PM',
'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')

And Andy's gave me:
insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], [UserName],
[ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is
misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 3:12:39 PM',
'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')

Both of which seem identical to what I got.  I think I am going crazy!  It
has to be something terribly simple, but I just can't get it.

By the way I am using A2000 on Win2000.

I have used this same technique many times in the past, but this time it
just won't work.

It has to be the single quotes inside the Err_Description.

Nancy L.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 2:12 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem


Nancy
How about

strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription],
[ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values "
strSQLInsert = strSQLInsert & "(" & lngErrNumber & ", '" &
Left(strErrDescription, 255) & "' ,Now(), '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" &
vShowUser & "', '" & strCallingProc & "')"

How does that do?

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
> Sent: 08 May 2003 19:02
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
>
>
> Thank you for your reply but it still doesn't want to work
>
> Using your code this is the insert statement produced:
>
> insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription],
> [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values
> ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers
> to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:55:33 PM',
> 'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')
>
> THe message I get is Syntax error (missing operator) in query
> expression:
>
>  "The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form
> that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:55:33 PM', 'nlytle',
> 'True', 'Form_Open()')'.
>
> It may have to do with the single quotes inside the
> ErrDescription, notice the double quotes at the beggining and
> single quote ending Any ideas?
>
> Nancy L
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Ruff
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:35 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
>
>
> strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber],
> [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser],
> [CallingProc]) values "
>
> Error in this second line, the lngErrNumber is a number so
> remove the apostrophe before and after lngErrNumber.  Now()
> is a date so place a # before and after Now().  The SQL
> statement should be; strSQLInsert = strSQLInsert & "(" &
> lngErrNumber & ",'" & Left(strErrDescription, 255) & "',#" &
> Now() & "#', '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "', '"
> & strCallingProc & "')"
>
>
>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:31 AM
> To: Accessd
> Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
>
>
> Can anyone see what is wrong with this statement?
> I have a feeling it has to do with quote marks but I have
> been pulling my hair out trying to get it,  I guess I just
> can't see the forrest for the trees.
>
> strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber],
> [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser],
> [CallingProc]) values " strSQLInsert = strSQLInsert & "('" &
> lngErrNumber & "' ,'" & Left(strErrDescription, 255) & "' ,'"
> & Now() & "', '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "',
> '" & strCallingProc & "')"
>
> This is how it reads when I try and do the insert:
> insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription],
> [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values
> ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers
> to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:28:00 PM',
> 'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')
>
> Thanks,
> Nancy L
>
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From Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK  Thu May  8 14:40:31 2003
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK (Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 20:40:31 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] Relationships
In-Reply-To: <8301C8A868251E4C8ECD3D4FFEA40F8A4EBCBC@cpixchng-1.cpiqpc.net>
References: <8301C8A868251E4C8ECD3D4FFEA40F8A4EBCBC@cpixchng-1.cpiqpc.net>
Message-ID: <1052422831.3ebab2af9181b@hosea.qub.ac.uk>


Thanks Rusty. I noticed this in Access 2003 and XP. Click anywhere and you
open the dialog.

Must be by design. I just never noticed it before in XP.

Martin



Quoting rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com:

> Hi Martin,
> In Access 97, the only time I can get the relationship window to show is
> if
> I double-click on the relationship line.  Nothing comes up if I click
> or
> double-click anywhere else (unless you right click of course).
> 
> HTH
> 
> Rusty Hammond
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
> [mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK]
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 2:04 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Relationships
> 
> 
> Can someone try this for me.
> 
> In any version of Access XP down - click within the relationship window
> and 
> let me know if the edit relationships dialog opens even if a
> relationship
> line 
> is not selected.
> 
> 
> Martin
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From papparuff at attbi.com  Thu May  8 14:43:37 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 12:43:37 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
In-Reply-To: <OPEHJDCMPKDOHDELKBPHGEIADLAA.nancy.lytle@auatac.com>
Message-ID: <00f501c3159a$1ec8f860$6401a8c0@papparuff>

Nancy,

Is the True just before Form_Open a text value or a boolean value?  If it's
boolean, then remove the apostrophe's before and after the vShowUser

John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
Always Looking For Contract Opportunities

Home: 253.588.2139
Cell: 253.307/2947
9306 Farwest Dr SW
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                and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 12:38 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem


John's version gave me:

insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], [UserName],
[ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is
misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 3:10:56 PM',
'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')

And Andy's gave me:
insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], [UserName],
[ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is
misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 3:12:39 PM',
'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')

Both of which seem identical to what I got.  I think I am going crazy!  It
has to be something terribly simple, but I just can't get it.

By the way I am using A2000 on Win2000.

I have used this same technique many times in the past, but this time it
just won't work.

It has to be the single quotes inside the Err_Description.

Nancy L.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 2:12 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem


Nancy
How about

strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription],
[ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values " strSQLInsert =
strSQLInsert & "(" & lngErrNumber & ", '" & Left(strErrDescription, 255) &
"' ,Now(), '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "', '" & strCallingProc
& "')"

How does that do?

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
> Sent: 08 May 2003 19:02
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
>
>
> Thank you for your reply but it still doesn't want to work
>
> Using your code this is the insert statement produced:
>
> insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], 
> [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name 
> 'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.' 
> ,'5/8/2003 1:55:33 PM', 'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')
>
> THe message I get is Syntax error (missing operator) in query
> expression:
>
>  "The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form that 
> doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:55:33 PM', 'nlytle', 'True', 
> 'Form_Open()')'.
>
> It may have to do with the single quotes inside the ErrDescription, 
> notice the double quotes at the beggining and single quote ending Any 
> ideas?
>
> Nancy L
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Ruff
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:35 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
>
>
> strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], 
> [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser],
> [CallingProc]) values "
>
> Error in this second line, the lngErrNumber is a number so remove the 
> apostrophe before and after lngErrNumber.  Now() is a date so place a 
> # before and after Now().  The SQL statement should be; strSQLInsert = 
> strSQLInsert & "(" & lngErrNumber & ",'" & Left(strErrDescription, 
> 255) & "',#" &
> Now() & "#', '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "', '" & 
> strCallingProc & "')"
>
>
>
> John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
> Always Looking For Contract Opportunities
>
> Home: 253.588.2139
> Cell: 253.307/2947
> 9306 Farwest Dr SW
> Lakewood, WA 98498
>
> "Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
>                 and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:31 AM
> To: Accessd
> Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
>
>
> Can anyone see what is wrong with this statement?
> I have a feeling it has to do with quote marks but I have been pulling 
> my hair out trying to get it,  I guess I just can't see the forrest 
> for the trees.
>
> strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], 
> [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser],
> [CallingProc]) values " strSQLInsert = strSQLInsert & "('" & 
> lngErrNumber & "' ,'" & Left(strErrDescription, 255) & "' ,'" & Now() 
> & "', '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "', '" & 
> strCallingProc & "')"
>
> This is how it reads when I try and do the insert:
> insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], 
> [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name 
> 'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.' 
> ,'5/8/2003 1:28:00 PM', 'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')
>
> Thanks,
> Nancy L
>
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu May  8 14:47:57 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 15:47:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] XML
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85B9B@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Kind of a tricky question Martin because ADO 2.5 or 2.6 could save and read recordsets as XML.  The Access GUI couldn't in A97, I've not used A2K but I think it only could via ADO as well, and AXP does as you've noted.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
[mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK]
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 2:38 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] XML


Was the ability to import and export XML via the GUI (or using ADO) in Access 
available in any version prior to A XP? 

Martin
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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Thu May  8 14:49:12 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 14:49:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F87800@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Nancy,

There is an odd number of single quotes in this "'The form name 'This
Form' is misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.'" so it does
not look like it will work.  One or more of the single quotes in that
field should be replaced by double quotes, Chr(34).  To quote materiel
with quotes you have to either use single quotes inside double quotes("
' "), or double quotes inside single quotes (' " ').

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Lytle [mailto:nancy.lytle at auatac.com] 
Sent: Thursday 2003 May 08 14:38
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem

John's version gave me:

insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate],
[UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name
'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.'
,'5/8/2003 3:10:56 PM', 'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')

And Andy's gave me:
insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate],
[UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name
'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.'
,'5/8/2003 3:12:39 PM', 'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')

Both of which seem identical to what I got.  I think I am going crazy!
It has to be something terribly simple, but I just can't get it.

By the way I am using A2000 on Win2000.

I have used this same technique many times in the past, but this time it
just won't work.

It has to be the single quotes inside the Err_Description.

Nancy L.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 2:12 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem


Nancy
How about

strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription],
[ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values " strSQLInsert
= strSQLInsert & "(" & lngErrNumber & ", '" & Left(strErrDescription,
255) & "' ,Now(), '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "', '" &
strCallingProc & "')"

How does that do?

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
> Sent: 08 May 2003 19:02
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
>
>
> Thank you for your reply but it still doesn't want to work
>
> Using your code this is the insert statement produced:
>
> insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], 
> [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name 
> 'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.' 
> ,'5/8/2003 1:55:33 PM', 'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')
>
> THe message I get is Syntax error (missing operator) in query
> expression:
>
>  "The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form that 
> doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:55:33 PM', 'nlytle', 'True', 
> 'Form_Open()')'.
>
> It may have to do with the single quotes inside the ErrDescription, 
> notice the double quotes at the beggining and single quote ending Any 
> ideas?
>
> Nancy L
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Ruff
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:35 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
>
>
> strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], 
> [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser],
> [CallingProc]) values "
>
> Error in this second line, the lngErrNumber is a number so remove the 
> apostrophe before and after lngErrNumber.  Now() is a date so place a 
> # before and after Now().  The SQL statement should be; strSQLInsert =

> strSQLInsert & "(" & lngErrNumber & ",'" & Left(strErrDescription, 
> 255) & "',#" &
> Now() & "#', '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "', '" & 
> strCallingProc & "')"
>
>
>
> John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
> Always Looking For Contract Opportunities
>
> Home: 253.588.2139
> Cell: 253.307/2947
> 9306 Farwest Dr SW
> Lakewood, WA 98498
>
> "Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
>                 and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:31 AM
> To: Accessd
> Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
>
>
> Can anyone see what is wrong with this statement?
> I have a feeling it has to do with quote marks but I have been pulling

> my hair out trying to get it,  I guess I just can't see the forrest 
> for the trees.
>
> strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], 
> [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser],
> [CallingProc]) values " strSQLInsert = strSQLInsert & "('" & 
> lngErrNumber & "' ,'" & Left(strErrDescription, 255) & "' ,'" & Now() 
> & "', '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "', '" & 
> strCallingProc & "')"
>
> This is how it reads when I try and do the insert:
> insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], 
> [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name 
> 'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.' 
> ,'5/8/2003 1:28:00 PM', 'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')
>
> Thanks,
> Nancy L

From nancy.lytle at auatac.com  Thu May  8 14:58:06 2003
From: nancy.lytle at auatac.com (Nancy Lytle)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 15:58:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
In-Reply-To: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F87800@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <OPEHJDCMPKDOHDELKBPHEEIBDLAA.nancy.lytle@auatac.com>

Thanks to all for your help.
I'm going to give it a fresh start in the morning and see what happens.
Nancy L

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz, Charles
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 3:49 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem


Nancy,

There is an odd number of single quotes in this "'The form name 'This
Form' is misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.'" so it does
not look like it will work.  One or more of the single quotes in that
field should be replaced by double quotes, Chr(34).  To quote materiel
with quotes you have to either use single quotes inside double quotes("
' "), or double quotes inside single quotes (' " ').

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Lytle [mailto:nancy.lytle at auatac.com] 
Sent: Thursday 2003 May 08 14:38
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem

John's version gave me:

insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate],
[UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name
'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.'
,'5/8/2003 3:10:56 PM', 'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')

And Andy's gave me:
insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate],
[UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name
'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.'
,'5/8/2003 3:12:39 PM', 'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')

Both of which seem identical to what I got.  I think I am going crazy!
It has to be something terribly simple, but I just can't get it.

By the way I am using A2000 on Win2000.

I have used this same technique many times in the past, but this time it
just won't work.

It has to be the single quotes inside the Err_Description.

Nancy L.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 2:12 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem


Nancy
How about

strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription],
[ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values " strSQLInsert
= strSQLInsert & "(" & lngErrNumber & ", '" & Left(strErrDescription,
255) & "' ,Now(), '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "', '" &
strCallingProc & "')"

How does that do?

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
> Sent: 08 May 2003 19:02
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
>
>
> Thank you for your reply but it still doesn't want to work
>
> Using your code this is the insert statement produced:
>
> insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], 
> [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name 
> 'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.' 
> ,'5/8/2003 1:55:33 PM', 'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')
>
> THe message I get is Syntax error (missing operator) in query
> expression:
>
>  "The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form that 
> doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:55:33 PM', 'nlytle', 'True', 
> 'Form_Open()')'.
>
> It may have to do with the single quotes inside the ErrDescription, 
> notice the double quotes at the beggining and single quote ending Any 
> ideas?
>
> Nancy L
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Ruff
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:35 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
>
>
> strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], 
> [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser],
> [CallingProc]) values "
>
> Error in this second line, the lngErrNumber is a number so remove the 
> apostrophe before and after lngErrNumber.  Now() is a date so place a 
> # before and after Now().  The SQL statement should be; strSQLInsert =

> strSQLInsert & "(" & lngErrNumber & ",'" & Left(strErrDescription, 
> 255) & "',#" &
> Now() & "#', '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "', '" & 
> strCallingProc & "')"
>
>
>
> John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
> Always Looking For Contract Opportunities
>
> Home: 253.588.2139
> Cell: 253.307/2947
> 9306 Farwest Dr SW
> Lakewood, WA 98498
>
> "Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
>                 and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:31 AM
> To: Accessd
> Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
>
>
> Can anyone see what is wrong with this statement?
> I have a feeling it has to do with quote marks but I have been pulling

> my hair out trying to get it,  I guess I just can't see the forrest 
> for the trees.
>
> strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], 
> [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser],
> [CallingProc]) values " strSQLInsert = strSQLInsert & "('" & 
> lngErrNumber & "' ,'" & Left(strErrDescription, 255) & "' ,'" & Now() 
> & "', '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "', '" & 
> strCallingProc & "')"
>
> This is how it reads when I try and do the insert:
> insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], 
> [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name 
> 'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.' 
> ,'5/8/2003 1:28:00 PM', 'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')
>
> Thanks,
> Nancy L
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From liz at symphonyinfo.com  Thu May  8 15:02:09 2003
From: liz at symphonyinfo.com (Liz Doering)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 15:02:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
In-Reply-To: <OPEHJDCMPKDOHDELKBPHGEIADLAA.nancy.lytle@auatac.com>
Message-ID: <OBEGLONPCFDNODFCPKAIEECKCFAA.liz@symphonyinfo.com>

Nancy,

About the time I think I'm losing my mind on this sort of thing, I dim a
string (strSQL), then set

strSQL="my problematical statement here".

Then set the next line of code to be

debug.print strSQL

Then you can view the immediate window, and your icky piece of SQL will be
right there, exactly as you would have been about to run it.  Copy and paste
it into the SQL view of a new query, and go to work straightening out
whatever mess there is.  It will be much more obvious from this view!

Liz




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 2:38 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem


John's version gave me:

insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], [UserName],
[ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is
misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 3:10:56 PM',
'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')

And Andy's gave me:
insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], [UserName],
[ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is
misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 3:12:39 PM',
'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')

Both of which seem identical to what I got.  I think I am going crazy!  It
has to be something terribly simple, but I just can't get it.

By the way I am using A2000 on Win2000.

I have used this same technique many times in the past, but this time it
just won't work.

It has to be the single quotes inside the Err_Description.

Nancy L.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 2:12 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem


Nancy
How about

strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription],
[ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values "
strSQLInsert = strSQLInsert & "(" & lngErrNumber & ", '" &
Left(strErrDescription, 255) & "' ,Now(), '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" &
vShowUser & "', '" & strCallingProc & "')"

How does that do?

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
> Sent: 08 May 2003 19:02
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
>
>
> Thank you for your reply but it still doesn't want to work
>
> Using your code this is the insert statement produced:
>
> insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription],
> [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values
> ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers
> to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:55:33 PM',
> 'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')
>
> THe message I get is Syntax error (missing operator) in query
> expression:
>
>  "The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form
> that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:55:33 PM', 'nlytle',
> 'True', 'Form_Open()')'.
>
> It may have to do with the single quotes inside the
> ErrDescription, notice the double quotes at the beggining and
> single quote ending Any ideas?
>
> Nancy L
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Ruff
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:35 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
>
>
> strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber],
> [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser],
> [CallingProc]) values "
>
> Error in this second line, the lngErrNumber is a number so
> remove the apostrophe before and after lngErrNumber.  Now()
> is a date so place a # before and after Now().  The SQL
> statement should be; strSQLInsert = strSQLInsert & "(" &
> lngErrNumber & ",'" & Left(strErrDescription, 255) & "',#" &
> Now() & "#', '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "', '"
> & strCallingProc & "')"
>
>
>
> John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
> Always Looking For Contract Opportunities
>
> Home: 253.588.2139
> Cell: 253.307/2947
> 9306 Farwest Dr SW
> Lakewood, WA 98498
>
> "Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
>                 and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:31 AM
> To: Accessd
> Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
>
>
> Can anyone see what is wrong with this statement?
> I have a feeling it has to do with quote marks but I have
> been pulling my hair out trying to get it,  I guess I just
> can't see the forrest for the trees.
>
> strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber],
> [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser],
> [CallingProc]) values " strSQLInsert = strSQLInsert & "('" &
> lngErrNumber & "' ,'" & Left(strErrDescription, 255) & "' ,'"
> & Now() & "', '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "',
> '" & strCallingProc & "')"
>
> This is how it reads when I try and do the insert:
> insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription],
> [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values
> ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers
> to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:28:00 PM',
> 'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')
>
> Thanks,
> Nancy L
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May  8 15:35:22 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 13:35:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] XML
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F23@infoserver01.infostat.local>

In A2k you could only do it from ADO.  AXP is the first version to make
it available as an Export format.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org] 
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:48 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] XML


Kind of a tricky question Martin because ADO 2.5 or 2.6 could save and
read recordsets as XML.  The Access GUI couldn't in A97, I've not used
A2K but I think it only could via ADO as well, and AXP does as you've
noted.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
[mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK]
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 2:38 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] XML


Was the ability to import and export XML via the GUI (or using ADO) in
Access 
available in any version prior to A XP? 

Martin
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May  8 15:39:19 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 13:39:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Relationships
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F24@infoserver01.infostat.local>

It does in XP.  In 97, nothing at all happens.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
[mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK] 
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:04 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Relationships


Can someone try this for me.

In any version of Access XP down - click within the relationship window
and 
let me know if the edit relationships dialog opens even if a
relationship line 
is not selected.


Martin
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May  8 15:41:31 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 13:41:31 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F25@infoserver01.infostat.local>

LOL

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:04 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


Charlotte,

More likely that the editors are lurkers on lists such as this.  When
they see an interesting topic come up on the lists, they each go and
commission an article from one of writers in their stables.  Thus,
several months later the mags have similar articles.  If my hypothesis
is true, then we should see some articles on []. subqueries coming out
in a few months.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: Thursday 2003 May 08 12:49
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery

I've noticed the phenomenon over the years that all the mags on the same
general topic will tend to have similar articles at about the same time.
I think it must be ESP or aliens!  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 8:46 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


Ah, man on a mission - I found the issue of Access Advisor.

It was December 2001 Advisor Tips

"Creating Derived Tables in Jet"

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu May  8 16:18:14 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 22:18:14 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
In-Reply-To: <OPEHJDCMPKDOHDELKBPHEEIBDLAA.nancy.lytle@auatac.com>
Message-ID: <008401c315a7$5632d700$b274d0d5@andypc>

Nancy
I'm sorry but I missed the fact that your description contained an
apostrophe. In that case this will (I think) work

strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription],
[ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values " strSQLInsert
= strSQLInsert & "(" & lngErrNumber & ", """ & Left(strErrDescription,
255) & """ ,Now(), '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "', '" &
strCallingProc & "')"

But if you have descriptions containing double quotes those will then
fail.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
> Sent: 08 May 2003 20:58
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
> 
> 
> Thanks to all for your help.
> I'm going to give it a fresh start in the morning and see 
> what happens. Nancy L
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of 
> Wortz, Charles
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 3:49 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
> 
> 
> Nancy,
> 
> There is an odd number of single quotes in this "'The form 
> name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form that 
> doesn't exist.'" so it does not look like it will work.  One 
> or more of the single quotes in that field should be replaced 
> by double quotes, Chr(34).  To quote materiel with quotes you 
> have to either use single quotes inside double quotes(" ' "), 
> or double quotes inside single quotes (' " ').
> 
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nancy Lytle [mailto:nancy.lytle at auatac.com] 
> Sent: Thursday 2003 May 08 14:38
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
> 
> John's version gave me:
> 
> insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], 
> [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values 
> ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers 
> to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 3:10:56 PM', 
> 'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')
> 
> And Andy's gave me:
> insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], 
> [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values 
> ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers 
> to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 3:12:39 PM', 
> 'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')
> 
> Both of which seem identical to what I got.  I think I am 
> going crazy! It has to be something terribly simple, but I 
> just can't get it.
> 
> By the way I am using A2000 on Win2000.
> 
> I have used this same technique many times in the past, but 
> this time it just won't work.
> 
> It has to be the single quotes inside the Err_Description.
> 
> Nancy L.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 2:12 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
> 
> 
> Nancy
> How about
> 
> strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], 
> [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], 
> [CallingProc]) values " strSQLInsert = strSQLInsert & "(" & 
> lngErrNumber & ", '" & Left(strErrDescription,
> 255) & "' ,Now(), '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & 
> "', '" & strCallingProc & "')"
> 
> How does that do?
> 
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Nancy Lytle
> > Sent: 08 May 2003 19:02
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
> >
> >
> > Thank you for your reply but it still doesn't want to work
> >
> > Using your code this is the insert statement produced:
> >
> > insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate],
> > [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The 
> form name 
> > 'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.' 
> > ,'5/8/2003 1:55:33 PM', 'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')
> >
> > THe message I get is Syntax error (missing operator) in query
> > expression:
> >
> >  "The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form that
> > doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:55:33 PM', 'nlytle', 'True', 
> > 'Form_Open()')'.
> >
> > It may have to do with the single quotes inside the ErrDescription,
> > notice the double quotes at the beggining and single quote 
> ending Any 
> > ideas?
> >
> > Nancy L
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Ruff
> > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:35 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
> >
> >
> > strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], 
> [ErrDescription],
> > [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser],
> > [CallingProc]) values "
> >
> > Error in this second line, the lngErrNumber is a number so 
> remove the
> > apostrophe before and after lngErrNumber.  Now() is a date 
> so place a 
> > # before and after Now().  The SQL statement should be; 
> strSQLInsert =
> 
> > strSQLInsert & "(" & lngErrNumber & ",'" & Left(strErrDescription,
> > 255) & "',#" &
> > Now() & "#', '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "', '" & 
> > strCallingProc & "')"
> >
> >
> >
> > John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
> > Always Looking For Contract Opportunities
> >
> > Home: 253.588.2139
> > Cell: 253.307/2947
> > 9306 Farwest Dr SW
> > Lakewood, WA 98498
> >
> > "Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
> >                 and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Nancy Lytle
> > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:31 AM
> > To: Accessd
> > Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
> >
> >
> > Can anyone see what is wrong with this statement?
> > I have a feeling it has to do with quote marks but I have 
> been pulling
> 
> > my hair out trying to get it,  I guess I just can't see the forrest
> > for the trees.
> >
> > strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], 
> [ErrDescription],
> > [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser],
> > [CallingProc]) values " strSQLInsert = strSQLInsert & "('" & 
> > lngErrNumber & "' ,'" & Left(strErrDescription, 255) & "' 
> ,'" & Now() 
> > & "', '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "', '" & 
> > strCallingProc & "')"
> >
> > This is how it reads when I try and do the insert:
> > insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate],
> > [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The 
> form name 
> > 'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.' 
> > ,'5/8/2003 1:28:00 PM', 'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Nancy L
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From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Thu May  8 16:29:05 2003
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 17:29:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] VB module to send mail in Lotus Notes
Message-ID: <008401c315a8$da8f0180$a2c50a44@hr.cox.net>

I have a VB module (in an Access 97 database) that uses Lotus Notes to send mail.  It has worked fine at several client sites, but is encountering problems at a new site.  The error received is "429: ActiveX component can't create object".  It apparently is erroring on the statement "Set Session = CreateObject("Notes.NotesSession")". (see all code below)

The only difference (that I am aware of) is that this client uses Lotus Notes 5.0 10 and the Lotus Notes client is installed on a server.

This is really more of a Lotus Notes question, but I have not yet been able to find a forum where I can ask this question.

Any thoughts/suggestions?

Thanks,
Barb Ryan

Private Sub SendNotesMail()
    On Error GoTo Err_Handler
    
    'Set up the objects required for Automation into lotus notes
    Dim Maildb As Object 'The mail database
    Dim UserName As String 'The current users notes name
    Dim MailDbName As String 'THe current users notes mail database name
    Dim MailDoc As Object 'The mail document itself
    Dim AttachME As Object 'The attachment richtextfile object
    Dim Session As Object 'The notes session
    Dim EmbedObj As Object 'The embedded object (Attachment)
    
    'Start a session to notes
    Set Session = CreateObject("Notes.NotesSession")
    
    'Get the sessions username and then calculate the mail file name
    UserName = Session.UserName
    MailDbName = Left$(UserName, 1) & Right$(UserName, (Len(UserName) - InStr(1, UserName, " "))) & ".nsf"
    
    'Open the mail database in notes
    Set Maildb = Session.GETDATABASE("", MailDbName)
     If Maildb.isOpen = True Then
          'Already open for mail
     Else
         Maildb.OPENMAIL
     End If
     
    'Set up the new mail document
    Set MailDoc = Maildb.CREATEDOCUMENT
    MailDoc.Form = "Memo"
    MailDoc.sendto = strRecipient
    MailDoc.Subject = strSubject
    
    If strLongSnaphotName > "" Then
        strbody = "This document, and any attachments therein, contains proprietary and confidential information that may not be disclosed without the prior written permission of Huntsman Corporation. Unauthorized use or misuse of this information and its contents is strictly prohibited." & vbCrLf & vbCrLf & "The attached file must be viewed using Microsoft Snapshot Viewer, which is a free download at http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/9798/snpvw80.aspx" & vbCrLf & vbCrLf & "Huntsman reference: " & strLongSnaphotName
    Else
        strbody = "This document, and any attachments therein, contains proprietary and confidential information that may not be disclosed without the prior written permission of Huntsman Corporation. Unauthorized use or misuse of this information and its contents is strictly prohibited." & vbCrLf & vbCrLf & "The attached file must be viewed using Microsoft Snapshot Viewer, which is a free download at http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/9798/snpvw80.aspx"
    End If
     
    MailDoc.Body = strbody
    MailDoc.SAVEMESSAGEONSEND = True
    
    'Set up the embedded object and attachment and attach it
    Set AttachME = MailDoc.createrichtextitem("attachment")
    Set EmbedObj = AttachME.embedObject(1454, "", strAttachment)
    
    'Send the document
    MailDoc.PostedDate = Now() 'Gets the mail to appear in the sent items folder
    MailDoc.SEND 0, strRecipient
    
    'Clean Up
    Set Maildb = Nothing
    Set MailDoc = Nothing
    Set AttachME = Nothing
    Set Session = Nothing
    Set EmbedObj = Nothing
    
Exit_SendNotesMail:
    Exit Sub

Err_Handler:
    blnError = True
    MsgBox Err.Number & ":" & Err.Description
    Resume Exit_SendNotesMail
    
End Sub



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From todd_5036 at msn.com  Thu May  8 16:35:37 2003
From: todd_5036 at msn.com (Todd Buttrey)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 16:35:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] VB module to send mail in Lotus Notes
Message-ID: <BAY4-F12MVur6nzO9OM00000b21@hotmail.com>

Sounds like you are trying to instantiate an object that normally resides on 
the client but now is residing on the server.  Is this true?


----Original Message Follows----
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Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
To: "Access List" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] VB module to send mail in Lotus Notes
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 17:29:05 -0400

I have a VB module (in an Access 97 database) that uses Lotus Notes to send 
mail.  It has worked fine at several client sites, but is encountering 
problems at a new site.  The error received is "429: ActiveX component can't 
create object".  It apparently is erroring on the statement "Set Session = 
CreateObject("Notes.NotesSession")". (see all code below)

The only difference (that I am aware of) is that this client uses Lotus 
Notes 5.0 10 and the Lotus Notes client is installed on a server.

This is really more of a Lotus Notes question, but I have not yet been able 
to find a forum where I can ask this question.

Any thoughts/suggestions?

Thanks,
Barb Ryan

Private Sub SendNotesMail()
     On Error GoTo Err_Handler

     'Set up the objects required for Automation into lotus notes
     Dim Maildb As Object 'The mail database
     Dim UserName As String 'The current users notes name
     Dim MailDbName As String 'THe current users notes mail database name
     Dim MailDoc As Object 'The mail document itself
     Dim AttachME As Object 'The attachment richtextfile object
     Dim Session As Object 'The notes session
     Dim EmbedObj As Object 'The embedded object (Attachment)

     'Start a session to notes
     Set Session = CreateObject("Notes.NotesSession")

     'Get the sessions username and then calculate the mail file name
     UserName = Session.UserName
     MailDbName = Left$(UserName, 1) & Right$(UserName, (Len(UserName) - 
InStr(1, UserName, " "))) & ".nsf"

     'Open the mail database in notes
     Set Maildb = Session.GETDATABASE("", MailDbName)
      If Maildb.isOpen = True Then
           'Already open for mail
      Else
          Maildb.OPENMAIL
      End If

     'Set up the new mail document
     Set MailDoc = Maildb.CREATEDOCUMENT
     MailDoc.Form = "Memo"
     MailDoc.sendto = strRecipient
     MailDoc.Subject = strSubject

     If strLongSnaphotName > "" Then
         strbody = "This document, and any attachments therein, contains 
proprietary and confidential information that may not be disclosed without 
the prior written permission of Huntsman Corporation. Unauthorized use or 
misuse of this information and its contents is strictly prohibited." & 
vbCrLf & vbCrLf & "The attached file must be viewed using Microsoft Snapshot 
Viewer, which is a free download at 
http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/9798/snpvw80.aspx" & vbCrLf & vbCrLf & 
"Huntsman reference: " & strLongSnaphotName
     Else
         strbody = "This document, and any attachments therein, contains 
proprietary and confidential information that may not be disclosed without 
the prior written permission of Huntsman Corporation. Unauthorized use or 
misuse of this information and its contents is strictly prohibited." & 
vbCrLf & vbCrLf & "The attached file must be viewed using Microsoft Snapshot 
Viewer, which is a free download at 
http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/9798/snpvw80.aspx"
     End If

     MailDoc.Body = strbody
     MailDoc.SAVEMESSAGEONSEND = True

     'Set up the embedded object and attachment and attach it
     Set AttachME = MailDoc.createrichtextitem("attachment")
     Set EmbedObj = AttachME.embedObject(1454, "", strAttachment)

     'Send the document
     MailDoc.PostedDate = Now() 'Gets the mail to appear in the sent items 
folder
     MailDoc.SEND 0, strRecipient

     'Clean Up
     Set Maildb = Nothing
     Set MailDoc = Nothing
     Set AttachME = Nothing
     Set Session = Nothing
     Set EmbedObj = Nothing

Exit_SendNotesMail:
     Exit Sub

Err_Handler:
     blnError = True
     MsgBox Err.Number & ":" & Err.Description
     Resume Exit_SendNotesMail

End Sub



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From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Thu May  8 16:42:42 2003
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 17:42:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] VB module to send mail in Lotus Notes
Message-ID: <00a201c315aa$c11e06e0$a2c50a44@hr.cox.net>

The last message was incorrect -- the Lotus Notes client is installed on their partitioned hard drive "D:\", not a server.
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From artful at rogers.com  Thu May  8 16:51:38 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 17:51:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
In-Reply-To: <OPEHJDCMPKDOHDELKBPHAEHODLAA.nancy.lytle@auatac.com>
Message-ID: <00ad01c315ac$00848970$8e01a8c0@Rock>

I think you made a typo there; the opening double quote has no corresponding
close. It was probably intended to be a single. So the real problem is the
nested single quotes around form_name, I think. But in playing around, I
discovered an interesting problem:

? Replace("The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form that
doesn't exist.", Chr(39), Chr(34))
The form name "This Form" is misspelled or refers to a form that doesn"t
exist.

Note the double quote in doesn't.

I was playing around with variations on the above Replace() when suddenly it
occurred to me that there's a much slicker way:

? Replace("The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form that
doesn't exist.", "doesn't", "does not")
The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form that does not
exist.

Admittedly it's limited to this particular error message and would fail on
strings such as "The form name 'This Form' was created by Michael O'Hara and
Patty O'Furniture."

Too bad Access doesn't do regex.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
Sent: May 8, 2003 2:02 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem


Thank you for your reply but it still doesn't want to work

Using your code this is the insert statement produced:

insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], [UserName],
[ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is
misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:55:33 PM',
'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')

THe message I get is Syntax error (missing operator) in query expression:

 "The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't
exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:55:33 PM', 'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')'.

It may have to do with the single quotes inside the ErrDescription, notice
the double quotes at the beggining and single quote ending Any ideas?

Nancy L


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Ruff
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:35 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem


strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription],
[ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values "

Error in this second line, the lngErrNumber is a number so remove the
apostrophe before and after lngErrNumber.  Now() is a date so place a #
before and after Now().  The SQL statement should be; strSQLInsert =
strSQLInsert & "(" & lngErrNumber & ",'" & Left(strErrDescription, 255) &
"',#" & Now() & "#', '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "', '" &
strCallingProc & "')"



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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:31 AM
To: Accessd
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem


Can anyone see what is wrong with this statement?
I have a feeling it has to do with quote marks but I have been pulling my
hair out trying to get it,  I guess I just can't see the forrest for the
trees.

strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription],
[ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values " strSQLInsert =
strSQLInsert & "('" & lngErrNumber & "' ,'" & Left(strErrDescription, 255) &
"' ,'" & Now() & "', '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "', '" &
strCallingProc & "')"

This is how it reads when I try and do the insert:
insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], [UserName],
[ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is
misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:28:00 PM',
'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')

Thanks,
Nancy L

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu May  8 17:05:21 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 08:05:21 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
In-Reply-To: <Law12-F3OSveSQDslHt00006a80@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3EBB6141.30285.AC155@localhost>

@@Identity is a system wide variable. It returns the last autonumber 
generated by the system. You certainly can't rely on it to return a 
particular record number in either a multi user system or in a system 
where you are inserting into more than one table with autonumbers 
keys in the same transaction.

On 8 May 2003 at 9:11, Don Elliker wrote:

> 
> Forgive me being dense, but do you mean that @@Identity has to be used
> within a transaction (DAO) to get the right autonumber for the current
> record? thanks, _d
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >From: "Haslett, Andrew" 
> >Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> >To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" 
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> >Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 08:56:11 +0930 
> > 
> >It is safer as @@Identity is linked only to the connection (or 
> transaction) 
> >which created the record. 
> > 
> >Otherwise you are risking that another user will insert a record in-
> between 
> >adding and retrieving the ID of the record added by the first user. 
> > 
> >I'm not sure if that is a risk using the other methods mentioned on 
> this 
> >list, however I *do* now that with @@Identity there is no risk of 
> this 
> >happening. 
> > 
> >Cheers, 
> >Andrew 
> > 
> >-----Original Message----- 
> >From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
> >Sent: Thursday, 8 May 2003 5:22 AM 
> >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >How does this fare in a multi-user setup? 
> >_D 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." 
> > 
> > >From: "Haslett, Andrew" 
> > >Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> > >To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" 
> > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > >Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 10:28:09 +0930 
> > > 
> > >Sure. 
> > > 
> > >Create a table (table1) with two fields (ID: Autonumber, Field1: 
> Text) 
> > > 
> > >Paste this code into a module and away you go: 
> > > 
> > >****************************************************************** 
> 
> > > 
> > >Sub TestIdentity() 
> > > 
> > > Dim conn As ADODB.Connection, rs As ADODB.Recordset 
> > > Set conn = CurrentProject.Connection 
> > > 
> > > strSQL = "INSERT INTO table1 (field1) VALUES ('SomeValue')" 
> > > conn.Execute strSQL 
> > > 
> > > strSQL = "SELECT @@Identity" 
> > > Set rs = conn.Execute(strSQL) 
> > > 
> > > intID = rs.Fields.Item(0).Value 
> > > 
> > > Debug.Print intID 
> > > 
> > > rs.Close 
> > > conn.Close 
> > > 
> > >End Sub 
> > > 
> > >****************************************************************** 
> 
> > > 
> > >Cheers, 
> > >Andrew 
> > > 
> > >-----Original Message----- 
> > >From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz] 
> > >Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 9:43 AM 
> > >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >Andrew, just to complete the knowledge flowing freely here (great 
> stuff), 
> >if 
> > >I've used a SQL statement to INSERT the new record, can I use 
> @@Identity 
> > >(and how)? 
> > > 
> > >Thanks 
> > >Stephen Bond 
> > > 
> > >-----Original Message----- 
> > >From: Haslett, Andrew [mailto:andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au] 
> > >Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 10:43 a.m. 
> > >To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
> > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >Jet 4.0 supports @@Identity. Therefore if you are inserting your 
> record in 
> > >code using ADO then it will work fine. 
> > > 
> > >Cheers, 
> > >Andrew 
> > > 
> > >-----Original Message----- 
> > >From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] 
> > >Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 2:01 AM 
> > >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >I don't think that works in MDBs, which I assume Stephen meant, 
> else he 
> > >would have posted on the SQL list. 
> > > 
> > >Arthur 
> > > 
> > >-----Original Message----- 
> > >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> > >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Haslett, Andrew 
> > >Sent: May 6, 2003 12:09 AM 
> > >To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
> > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >SELECT @@IDENTITY 
> > > 
> > >-----Original Message----- 
> > >From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz] 
> > >Sent: Tuesday, 6 May 2003 12:23 PM 
> > >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> > >Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >In this thread a couple of months ago there was a solution offered 
> to the 
> > >problem of determining the value of an ID Autonumber of a record 
> just 
> >added. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >It was stunning in its simplicity, so of course I didn't write it 
> down ;-( 
> > > 
> > >Can anyone help? 
> > > 
> > >TIA 
> > > 
> > >Stephen Bond 
> > >Otatara, New Zealand 
> > >( tel 03 213 1256 fax 03 213 0123 
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From gale_perez at yahoo.com  Thu May  8 17:45:49 2003
From: gale_perez at yahoo.com (Gale Perez)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 15:45:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Access Normalization
Message-ID: <20030508224549.36777.qmail@web21210.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello!

I haven't posted for quite a while (have been working
in Oracle, am now doing project management and working
on some Access tracking DBs).  It's nice to be back
and see familiar names :)

Is there a way to export Access table definitions into
Excel or into a normalization tool (we're using
Brackets)?  I'm asking on someone else's behalf and
she has tried Export but gets the message that she
doesn't have permissions (it's not a secured
database).  Can you access the data dictionary with
SQL statements?

Thank you for any assistance,
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu May  8 18:01:44 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 09:01:44 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
In-Reply-To: <00ad01c315ac$00848970$8e01a8c0@Rock>
References: <OPEHJDCMPKDOHDELKBPHAEHODLAA.nancy.lytle@auatac.com>
Message-ID: <3EBB6E78.29588.3E5F73@localhost>

On a couple of occasions where I've run into this, I've replaced the 
Chr$(39) with a Chr$(96) which doesn`t look to dissimilar (that's 
what's in the previous "doesn`t") and is very rarely used.

I Replace() it back wherever I can before displaying the data, but if 
it sneaks through raw into a query or report it remains quite 
readable.

I normally use a couple of simple functions:

Function SafeQuote(data as string) as string
	SafeQuote = Replace(data,Chr$(39),Chr$(96) 
End Function

Function RealQuote(data as string) as string
	RealQuote = Replace(data,Chr$(96),Chr$(39) 
End Function

In this case it becomes
"Insert into...... SafeQuote(ErrDescription)....."


On 8 May 2003 at 17:51, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> 
> ? Replace("The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form
> that doesn't exist.", Chr(39), Chr(34)) The form name "This Form" is
> misspelled or refers to a form that doesn"t exist.
> 
> Note the double quote in doesn't.
> 
> I was playing around with variations on the above Replace() when
> suddenly it occurred to me that there's a much slicker way:
> 
> ? Replace("The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form
> that doesn't exist.", "doesn't", "does not") The form name 'This Form'
> is misspelled or refers to a form that does not exist.
> 
> Admittedly it's limited to this particular error message and would
> fail on strings such as "The form name 'This Form' was created by
> Michael O'Hara and Patty O'Furniture."
> 
> Too bad Access doesn't do regex.
> 

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From harkins at iglou.com  Thu May  8 18:03:27 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 19:03:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Normalization
References: <20030508224549.36777.qmail@web21210.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004501c315b6$0aab5e60$feecffcc@SusanOne>

Well, if it'll work, you can use XML to export schema -- would be the
easiest solution if it's adequate.

Susan H.


> Hello!
>
> I haven't posted for quite a while (have been working
> in Oracle, am now doing project management and working
> on some Access tracking DBs).  It's nice to be back
> and see familiar names :)
>
> Is there a way to export Access table definitions into
> Excel or into a normalization tool (we're using
> Brackets)?  I'm asking on someone else's behalf and
> she has tried Export but gets the message that she
> doesn't have permissions (it's not a secured
> database).  Can you access the data dictionary with
> SQL statements?
>
> Thank you for any assistance,
> Gale
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu May  8 19:14:04 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 17:14:04 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Mail Merge Start Second Copy of Access
Message-ID: <014401c315bf$e6aa6790$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Dear List:

I do a mail merge from an A2K app to Word.  The user selects the document to merge to.  They set the doc up before hand using as a data source a table in the app front end.  I put the customer name and address info in this table and it merges quite nicely into the word doc.

But the merging opens up Access and the front end a second time.  Doesn't really bother the user too much but they'd like to get rid of it if possible.  User insists it didn't used to do that and now it does.  I can't remember.  They're running Win2K and A2K.

I speculated that it opened up the second instance because of the link to the front end table as the data source for the merge.

anyway, is this normal?  Can it stopped?

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu May  8 19:19:47 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 17:19:47 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
In-Reply-To: <OPEHJDCMPKDOHDELKBPHGEIADLAA.nancy.lytle@auatac.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFMEAGCIAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Nancy:

You might have to check the fields you are getting the data from and the
ones you are putting the data into. Check to see if the fields you are
inserting the data into match the data type you are putting into them. A
common mistake is to try and put string data into a numeric field. All data
with "'" marks around are assumed to be character fields and date string
fields. Other fields do not require quotation marks. Remember also dates can
be stored as date strings or as numeric data. Check the source and
destination carefully.

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 12:38 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem


John's version gave me:

insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], [UserName],
[ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is
misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 3:10:56 PM',
'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')

And Andy's gave me:
insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], [UserName],
[ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is
misspelled or refers to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 3:12:39 PM',
'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')

Both of which seem identical to what I got.  I think I am going crazy!  It
has to be something terribly simple, but I just can't get it.

By the way I am using A2000 on Win2000.

I have used this same technique many times in the past, but this time it
just won't work.

It has to be the single quotes inside the Err_Description.

Nancy L.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 2:12 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem


Nancy
How about

strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription],
[ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values "
strSQLInsert = strSQLInsert & "(" & lngErrNumber & ", '" &
Left(strErrDescription, 255) & "' ,Now(), '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" &
vShowUser & "', '" & strCallingProc & "')"

How does that do?

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
> Sent: 08 May 2003 19:02
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
>
>
> Thank you for your reply but it still doesn't want to work
>
> Using your code this is the insert statement produced:
>
> insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription],
> [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values
> ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers
> to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:55:33 PM',
> 'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')
>
> THe message I get is Syntax error (missing operator) in query
> expression:
>
>  "The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers to a form
> that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:55:33 PM', 'nlytle',
> 'True', 'Form_Open()')'.
>
> It may have to do with the single quotes inside the
> ErrDescription, notice the double quotes at the beggining and
> single quote ending Any ideas?
>
> Nancy L
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Ruff
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:35 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
>
>
> strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber],
> [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser],
> [CallingProc]) values "
>
> Error in this second line, the lngErrNumber is a number so
> remove the apostrophe before and after lngErrNumber.  Now()
> is a date so place a # before and after Now().  The SQL
> statement should be; strSQLInsert = strSQLInsert & "(" &
> lngErrNumber & ",'" & Left(strErrDescription, 255) & "',#" &
> Now() & "#', '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "', '"
> & strCallingProc & "')"
>
>
>
> John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
> Always Looking For Contract Opportunities
>
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>                 and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Lytle
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:31 AM
> To: Accessd
> Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
>
>
> Can anyone see what is wrong with this statement?
> I have a feeling it has to do with quote marks but I have
> been pulling my hair out trying to get it,  I guess I just
> can't see the forrest for the trees.
>
> strSQLInsert = "insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber],
> [ErrDescription], [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser],
> [CallingProc]) values " strSQLInsert = strSQLInsert & "('" &
> lngErrNumber & "' ,'" & Left(strErrDescription, 255) & "' ,'"
> & Now() & "', '" & fcnOSUserName & "', '" & vShowUser & "',
> '" & strCallingProc & "')"
>
> This is how it reads when I try and do the insert:
> insert into tblUserLog([ErrNumber], [ErrDescription],
> [ErrDate], [UserName], [ShowUser], [CallingProc]) values
> ('2102' ,'The form name 'This Form' is misspelled or refers
> to a form that doesn't exist.' ,'5/8/2003 1:28:00 PM',
> 'nlytle', 'True', 'Form_Open()')
>
> Thanks,
> Nancy L
>
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From pblack at hotmail.com  Thu May  8 19:28:32 2003
From: pblack at hotmail.com (Paul Black)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 00:28:32 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K Developers Toolkit
Message-ID: <Sea2-F1955g7AMeKZrU0000fb0b@hotmail.com>


Try ebay. I purchased the toolkit for A97 there a couple of years ago

PB

>From: "Steve Capistrant" <scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] A2K Developers Toolkit
>Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 16:34:55 -0500
>
>Would anyone be willing to sell their old A2K Developers Toolkit?  Not
>available at any retail locations, of course.  We've got 97 and XP, but no
>2000, and of course now a really specific need has cropped up.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Steve Capistrant
>scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com
>Phone: 612-333-1311
>Symphony Information Services
>www.symphonyinfo.com
>212 3rd Ave N, Ste 404
>Minneapolis, MN 55401
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu May  8 19:46:13 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 10:46:13 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
In-Reply-To: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFMEAGCIAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
References: <OPEHJDCMPKDOHDELKBPHGEIADLAA.nancy.lytle@auatac.com>
Message-ID: <3EBB86F5.1120.AA01E90@localhost>

On 8 May 2003 at 17:19, Jim Lawrence (AccessD) wrote:

> 
> I have used this same technique many times in the past, but this time it
> just won't work.
> 
> It has to be the single quotes inside the Err_Description.
> 

If you are trying to insert a single quote in a field in an SQL statement you need to "Escape" it by making it two 
consecutive single quotes. 

Try Replace("ErrDescription",Chr$(39),CHr$(39) & Chr$(39)) instead of just ErrDescription


-- 
Stuart McLachlan
Lexacorp Ltd
Application Development,  IT Consultancy
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg


From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu May  8 20:16:53 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 18:16:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] VB module to send mail in Lotus Notes
References: <008401c315a8$da8f0180$a2c50a44@hr.cox.net>
Message-ID: <3EBB0185.6000904@shaw.ca>

 try to add domobj.tlb (COM) to your reference list from wherever it is 
on D drive.

Barbara Ryan wrote:

> I have a VB module (in an Access 97 database) that uses Lotus Notes to 
> send mail.  It has worked fine at several client sites, but is 
> encountering problems at a new site.  The error received is "429: 
> ActiveX component can't create object".  It apparently is erroring on 
> the statement "Set Session = CreateObject("Notes.NotesSession")". (see 
> all code below)
>  
> The only difference (that I am aware of) is that this client uses 
> Lotus Notes 5.0 10 and the Lotus Notes client is installed on a server.
>  
> This is really more of a Lotus Notes question, but I have not yet been 
> able to find a forum where I can ask this question.
>  
> Any thoughts/suggestions?
>  
> Thanks,
> Barb Ryan
>  
> Private Sub SendNotesMail()
>     On Error GoTo Err_Handler
>    
>     'Set up the objects required for Automation into lotus notes
>     Dim Maildb As Object 'The mail database
>     Dim UserName As String 'The current users notes name
>     Dim MailDbName As String 'THe current users notes mail database name
>     Dim MailDoc As Object 'The mail document itself
>     Dim AttachME As Object 'The attachment richtextfile object
>     Dim Session As Object 'The notes session
>     Dim EmbedObj As Object 'The embedded object (Attachment)
>    
>     'Start a session to notes
>     Set Session = CreateObject("Notes.NotesSession")
>    
>     'Get the sessions username and then calculate the mail file name
>     UserName = Session.UserName
>     MailDbName = Left$(UserName, 1) & Right$(UserName, (Len(UserName) 
> - InStr(1, UserName, " "))) & ".nsf"
>    
>     'Open the mail database in notes
>     Set Maildb = Session.GETDATABASE("", MailDbName)
>      If Maildb.isOpen = True Then
>           'Already open for mail
>      Else
>          Maildb.OPENMAIL
>      End If
>     
>     'Set up the new mail document
>     Set MailDoc = Maildb.CREATEDOCUMENT
>     MailDoc.Form = "Memo"
>     MailDoc.sendto = strRecipient
>     MailDoc.Subject = strSubject
>    
>     If strLongSnaphotName > "" Then
>         strbody = "This document, and any attachments therein, 
> contains proprietary and confidential information that may not be 
> disclosed without the prior written permission of Huntsman 
> Corporation. Unauthorized use or misuse of this information and its 
> contents is strictly prohibited." & vbCrLf & vbCrLf & "The attached 
> file must be viewed using Microsoft Snapshot Viewer, which is a free 
> download at http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/9798/snpvw80.aspx" & 
> vbCrLf & vbCrLf & "Huntsman reference: " & strLongSnaphotName
>     Else
>         strbody = "This document, and any attachments therein, 
> contains proprietary and confidential information that may not be 
> disclosed without the prior written permission of Huntsman 
> Corporation. Unauthorized use or misuse of this information and its 
> contents is strictly prohibited." & vbCrLf & vbCrLf & "The attached 
> file must be viewed using Microsoft Snapshot Viewer, which is a free 
> download at http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/9798/snpvw80.aspx"
>     End If
>     
>     MailDoc.Body = strbody
>     MailDoc.SAVEMESSAGEONSEND = True
>    
>     'Set up the embedded object and attachment and attach it
>     Set AttachME = MailDoc.createrichtextitem("attachment")
>     Set EmbedObj = AttachME.embedObject(1454, "", strAttachment)
>    
>     'Send the document
>     MailDoc.PostedDate = Now() 'Gets the mail to appear in the sent 
> items folder
>     MailDoc.SEND 0, strRecipient
>    
>     'Clean Up
>     Set Maildb = Nothing
>     Set MailDoc = Nothing
>     Set AttachME = Nothing
>     Set Session = Nothing
>     Set EmbedObj = Nothing
>    
> Exit_SendNotesMail:
>     Exit Sub
>  
> Err_Handler:
>     blnError = True
>     MsgBox Err.Number & ":" & Err.Description
>     Resume Exit_SendNotesMail
>    
> End Sub
>  
>  
>
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>
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From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Thu May  8 21:03:41 2003
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 22:03:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] VB module to send mail in Lotus Notes
References: <008401c315a8$da8f0180$a2c50a44@hr.cox.net>
	<3EBB0185.6000904@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <001b01c315cf$36dbe4a0$a2c50a44@hr.cox.net>

Thanks, Marty, I'll have the client try that ...............Barb

----- Original Message -----
From: MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB module to send mail in Lotus Notes


> try to add domobj.tlb (COM) to your reference list from wherever it is
> on D drive.
>
> Barbara Ryan wrote:
>
> > I have a VB module (in an Access 97 database) that uses Lotus Notes to
> > send mail.  It has worked fine at several client sites, but is
> > encountering problems at a new site.  The error received is "429:
> > ActiveX component can't create object".  It apparently is erroring on
> > the statement "Set Session = CreateObject("Notes.NotesSession")". (see
> > all code below)
> >
> > The only difference (that I am aware of) is that this client uses
> > Lotus Notes 5.0 10 and the Lotus Notes client is installed on a server.
> >
> > This is really more of a Lotus Notes question, but I have not yet been
> > able to find a forum where I can ask this question.
> >
> > Any thoughts/suggestions?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Barb Ryan
> >
> > Private Sub SendNotesMail()
> >     On Error GoTo Err_Handler
> >
> >     'Set up the objects required for Automation into lotus notes
> >     Dim Maildb As Object 'The mail database
> >     Dim UserName As String 'The current users notes name
> >     Dim MailDbName As String 'THe current users notes mail database name
> >     Dim MailDoc As Object 'The mail document itself
> >     Dim AttachME As Object 'The attachment richtextfile object
> >     Dim Session As Object 'The notes session
> >     Dim EmbedObj As Object 'The embedded object (Attachment)
> >
> >     'Start a session to notes
> >     Set Session = CreateObject("Notes.NotesSession")
> >
> >     'Get the sessions username and then calculate the mail file name
> >     UserName = Session.UserName
> >     MailDbName = Left$(UserName, 1) & Right$(UserName, (Len(UserName)
> > - InStr(1, UserName, " "))) & ".nsf"
> >
> >     'Open the mail database in notes
> >     Set Maildb = Session.GETDATABASE("", MailDbName)
> >      If Maildb.isOpen = True Then
> >           'Already open for mail
> >      Else
> >          Maildb.OPENMAIL
> >      End If
> >
> >     'Set up the new mail document
> >     Set MailDoc = Maildb.CREATEDOCUMENT
> >     MailDoc.Form = "Memo"
> >     MailDoc.sendto = strRecipient
> >     MailDoc.Subject = strSubject
> >
> >     If strLongSnaphotName > "" Then
> >         strbody = "This document, and any attachments therein,
> > contains proprietary and confidential information that may not be
> > disclosed without the prior written permission of Huntsman
> > Corporation. Unauthorized use or misuse of this information and its
> > contents is strictly prohibited." & vbCrLf & vbCrLf & "The attached
> > file must be viewed using Microsoft Snapshot Viewer, which is a free
> > download at http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/9798/snpvw80.aspx" &
> > vbCrLf & vbCrLf & "Huntsman reference: " & strLongSnaphotName
> >     Else
> >         strbody = "This document, and any attachments therein,
> > contains proprietary and confidential information that may not be
> > disclosed without the prior written permission of Huntsman
> > Corporation. Unauthorized use or misuse of this information and its
> > contents is strictly prohibited." & vbCrLf & vbCrLf & "The attached
> > file must be viewed using Microsoft Snapshot Viewer, which is a free
> > download at http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/9798/snpvw80.aspx"
> >     End If
> >
> >     MailDoc.Body = strbody
> >     MailDoc.SAVEMESSAGEONSEND = True
> >
> >     'Set up the embedded object and attachment and attach it
> >     Set AttachME = MailDoc.createrichtextitem("attachment")
> >     Set EmbedObj = AttachME.embedObject(1454, "", strAttachment)
> >
> >     'Send the document
> >     MailDoc.PostedDate = Now() 'Gets the mail to appear in the sent
> > items folder
> >     MailDoc.SEND 0, strRecipient
> >
> >     'Clean Up
> >     Set Maildb = Nothing
> >     Set MailDoc = Nothing
> >     Set AttachME = Nothing
> >     Set Session = Nothing
> >     Set EmbedObj = Nothing
> >
> > Exit_SendNotesMail:
> >     Exit Sub
> >
> > Err_Handler:
> >     blnError = True
> >     MsgBox Err.Number & ":" & Err.Description
> >     Resume Exit_SendNotesMail
> >
> > End Sub
> >
> >
> >
> >------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
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From davesharpe2 at cox.net  Thu May  8 21:13:07 2003
From: davesharpe2 at cox.net (dave sharpe)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 22:13:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
References: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJMEEOEFAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <005701c315d0$87ec5860$1d270a44@bcs006137>

Friends

I involved an acquaintance ( outside of AccessD ) that has
published a couple of books on SQL and Access. His answer
basically confirms what We've already concluded about
it being undocumented; but in it's entirety his response might
provide some more insight into the question.

Dave

=================
Dave-

I can't remember exactly how I discovered it for 97.  I think I found the [ ... ]. syntax saved by 2000 (examine the SQL property after you save the query).  Tried it in 97, and it worked!  Apparently JET 3 supported it, but it was undocumented.  They updated the syntax parser in 2000 to accept the ANSI syntax and then "morph" it to the undocumented syntax that JET understands.

John Viescas, author
Microsoft Office Access 2003 Inside Out (coming soon)
Running Microsoft Access 2000
SQL Queries for Mere Mortals
http://www.viescas.com/


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Bartow 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 12:45 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


  Ah, man on a mission - I found the issue of Access Advisor.

  It was December 2001 Advisor Tips

  "Creating Derived Tables in Jet"

  Access 2002/200/97

  SQL Server lets you create derived tables, which are SELECT statements that
  appear in the FROM clause of a query. In other words, you can select from
  the resultset returned by a nested SELECT  statement. There is no documented
  way to accomplish this in a Jet query without using a saved nested query,
  but there is a, but there is a little-known synatx that makes it possible.
  The following query runs in Access 97 and uses a derived table named "GIO"
  which is not a saved object. The derived table must be enclosed in square
  brackets and terminated with a period: [<Select Staement>].

  SELECT Products.ProductName, Products.UnitPrice, Gio.CatAvg,
  Categories.CategoryName
  FROM (Products INNER JOIN [SELECT Products.CategoryID,
  Categories.CategoryName, Avg(Products.UnitPrice) AS CatAvg
  FROM Categories
  INNER JOIN Products
  ON Categories.CategoryID = Products.CategoryID
  GROUP BY Products.CategoryID, Categories.CategoryName]. AS Gio ON
  Gio.CategoryID = Products.CategoryID) INNER JOIN Categories ON
  Products.CategoryID = Categories.CategoryID
  ORDER BY Products.ProductID;

  -Giovanni Caruso, via Andy Barron, Contributing Editor

  Open Northwind DB and paste the listed select statement into the SQL window
  of a query, save it and then run it to see the results. Don't try to run
  before saving though because the query design grid will mess it up really
  bad.

  I checked the archives of every other access list I know of and other than
  "Paul's" response to Gustav on AccessD in mid 2001 it is the earliest
  reference to this syntax I can find. Given that Giovanni's tip was probably
  submitted months before it was actually published it would be hard to know
  which was first. It could be coincidence that both of them originated at
  roughly the same time. But then again, I have seen a lot of tips in
  newsletters and magazines, from both readers and staff, that seem to arrive
  shortly after an item was discussed on one list or another! Maybe Giovanni
  saw the tip here and really wanted one of those t-shirts from Access
  Advisor!

  JB



   -----Original Message-----
   From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
   [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
   Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:15 AM
   To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
   Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


   Hi Lambert

  It seems to me that the [Select * from Foo].  syntax allows one to create queries in Access that use a sub-query as the base table. In other words you don't need a temporary table or an already saved query. This is something I've often wished I could do, if only the [ ]. syntax was documented somewhere.

  Which begs the question - just how did this special syntax get discovered? It always intrigues me when someone pops out of the woods and  says "hey look at this undocumented feature..."

  It was someone called Paul in July 2001 that mentioned it as common knowledge ...

  /gustav

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From SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au  Thu May  8 21:34:27 2003
From: SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au (Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 12:34:27 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Code ownership
Message-ID: <002901c315d3$831f86b0$54dd31d2@OfficePC>

Re:I found this article 'Who owns the Application code?' very interesting for someone on the other side of the fence:

http://www.zdnet.com.au/builder/manage/business/story/0,2000035090,20274296,00.htm

Kath Pelletti
Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
Ph: 9505-6714
Fax: 9505-6430
SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au
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From SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au  Thu May  8 22:08:27 2003
From: SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au (Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 13:08:27 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT
Message-ID: <004501c315d8$43529270$54dd31d2@OfficePC>

Have any of you had much experience with scheduling applications to run (ie. mdb files) using the AT command?

I am trying to get a job to run overnight for a client using the following syntax:

at 14:26 /interactive /Every:M,T,W,Th,F cmd /c D:\Prices\Priceload.bat

where the files Priceload.bat contains the following:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

@ECHO OFF
REM Daily Price File Load
TITLE GBST PRICE LOAD

M:
cd \Price
echo ENTER PRICE FOLDER
ntsleep 2 > nul

Call Price.mdb

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


I then get the message 'M:\Price\Price.mdb file not found'.

Because it is real PITN to keep mucking around with this syntax in DOS, I am also having a play with some shareware(?) the client had called WINAT. It seems good, but when I use it at my client site to edit the paremeters of the AT command, extra characters appear at the end of the command, so I am not sure whether the command will work or not. Characters are things like pipes and @symbols. 

So my question for anyone using AT is: do you have any tips to share? What is the most reliable way you have found to schedule an mdb to run?

TIA
Kath


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From david.powell at bbm.wapl.com.au  Thu May  8 22:10:38 2003
From: david.powell at bbm.wapl.com.au (Powell, David (BBM))
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 11:10:38 +0800
Subject: [AccessD]  Accessing individual cell information from excel with
	an ADO connection
Message-ID: <1C66E1A38F4E22499CE329884E3FA8B10207F13F@WAPLMAIL.wapl.com.au>

Thanks for all your input so far.  I have finally got this working and
it works well when you have columns of data with headings.  What I need
to do now is extract a cell value from a report layout which doesn't
have column headings.  Eg. Range("E21").  Any help will be greatly
appreciated.


TIA

David


-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 10:22 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Accessing individual cell information from excel
with an ADO connection


Yes, my example had the fields and tables wrapped in `'s  (Note, that is
the character underneath the tilde on most keyboards.  Personally, when
I began using ADO with Excel, I cheated.  I used VB 6.0's Data
Environment to create a connection to an Excel spreadsheet, then I used
it's query builder to make the SQL I wanted.

I know it's cheating, but it works! <VBG>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Powell, David (BBM) [mailto:david.powell at bbm.wapl.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 3:00 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Accessing individual cell information from excel
with an ADO connection


Thanks Drew for the VERY quick reply.  Just one problem though.  The SQL
part doesn't work.  This is how I have set up my code thus far:

  Dim cnn As New ADODB.Connection
  Dim rs As ADODB.Recordset
  With cnn
    .Provider = "Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
    .Properties("Extended Properties") = "Excel 8.0"
    .Open "C:\MyPath\MyXLSpreadsheet.xls"
  End With
  Set rs = New ADODB.Recordset
  rs.Open "SELECT MyCellTitle From MAY03", cnn, adOpenDynamic,
adLockOptimistic

If I add a $ to the end of MAY03 in the select statement as suggested, I
get an error "syntax error in FROM clause"  If I remove the $ I get an
error "The Microsoft Jet database engine could not find the object
'MAY03'

I have successfully connected to another spreadsheet and succeeded, but
created a new spreadsheet from scratch and have the same results as the
first one.  Any idea why I can't connect to this spreadsheet?


Regards

David


-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 1:31 PM
To: 'AccessD '
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Accessing individual cell information from excel
with an ADO connection


Select `MyCellsTitle`
>From `Sheet1$`

That SQL will open a recordset with only one row.  (Of course the row
needs to have a header titled MyCellsTitle (whatever is in the first
row).

To open a ADO connection object for an excel spreadsheet:

With cnnExcel
    .Provider = "Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
    .Properties("Extended Properties") = "Excel 8.0"
End With
cnnExcel.Open strPath

-----Original Message-----
From: Powell, David (BBM)
To: AccessD
Sent: 5/7/03 12:10 AM
Subject: [AccessD]  Accessing individual cell information from excel
with an ADO connection

Hi, 

I am trying to collate relevant data which is entered into a vast number
of excel spreadsheets into one centralised access database.  Can someone
please point me in  the right direction on how to reference a cell to
copy to a table field.


TIA 

David 




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From bobbedell15 at msn.com  Thu May  8 22:51:20 2003
From: bobbedell15 at msn.com (Bob Bedell)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 03:51:20 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
Message-ID: <BAY4-F13hg1vSiSxREN0000bdad@hotmail.com>

Hi all,

Sorry Don for piggy-backing off your post, but I've been interested in this 
thread for a bit now, and I
was just working through my "things I printed off the Internet a year ago 
intending to read by now"
pile and came across this. I don't believe its been posted yet, but it seems 
to hold some interest:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;232144

Please forgive me if I'm several days late (I can assure you I'm several 
dollars short).


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>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
>Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 09:11:41 -0400
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu May  8 23:24:05 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 14:24:05 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT
In-Reply-To: <004501c315d8$43529270$54dd31d2@OfficePC>
Message-ID: <3EBBBA05.9419.B679E4B@localhost>

On 9 May 2003 at 13:08, Software Design & Solutions P wrote:

> Have any of you had much experience with scheduling applications to run (ie. mdb files) using the AT command?
> 
> I am trying to get a job to run overnight for a client using the following syntax:
> 
> at 14:26 /interactive /Every:M,T,W,Th,F cmd /c D:\Prices\Priceload.bat
> 
> where the files Priceload.bat contains the following:
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> @ECHO OFF
> REM Daily Price File Load
> TITLE GBST PRICE LOAD
> 
> M:
> cd \Price
> echo ENTER PRICE FOLDER
> ntsleep 2 > nul

What OS? (I don't recognise NTSLEEP - what is it doing)

> 
> Call Price.mdb
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> I then get the message 'M:\Price\Price.mdb file not found'.
> 

It is actually looking for a file called M:\Price\Price.mdb.bat :-(
CALL  will only run another batch file.

To open the MDB , you need to actually run Access and give the MDB name as a parameter

Replace the line - Call Price.mdb
 with -
"c:\program files\microsoft office\office\msaccess.exe"  Price.mdb

or whatever the path is to the access application

> 
> So my question for anyone using AT is: do you have any tips to share? What is the most reliable way you have found to schedule an mdb to run?
> 

I generally just do a

AT 05:00 /Every:Mo,Tu,We,Th,Fr  GetPrice

Then I create a batchfile (GetPrice.cmd) which just contains one line:

"c:\program files\microsoft office\office\msaccess.exe"  C:\Apps\GetPrice.mdb




-- 
Stuart McLachlan
Lexacorp Ltd
Application Development,  IT Consultancy
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg


From viner at eunet.yu  Fri May  9 00:29:30 2003
From: viner at eunet.yu (Ervin Brindza)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 07:29:30 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Insert record into  fake group
References: <002f01c3154e$06f29760$0100a8c0@razvoj>
	<4417397976.20030508130006@cactus.dk> <002901c3155d$cba90760$0100a8c0@razvoj>
	<12924291649.20030508145500@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <014901c315ed$bb650c60$0100a8c0@razvoj>

> Before you'll get beaten by the normalization gurus of the list (I'm
> one but I don't beat) you should consider to split those sort orders
> out to separate (numeric) fields. In the long run I'm convinced it'll
> save you a lot of trouble.
>
Gustav,
beat me, if there is no excuse, but the backend database is deployed, and I
have to use the existing text field :(
Thanks,
    Ervin





From SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au  Fri May  9 01:10:48 2003
From: SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au (Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 16:10:48 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT
References: <3EBBBA05.9419.B679E4B@localhost>
Message-ID: <001801c315f1$bc7a2910$54dd31d2@OfficePC>

Thanks Stuart - I will try adding that ref to msaccess.
Cheers
Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Stuart McLachlan 
  To: Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd. ; accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:24 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT


  On 9 May 2003 at 13:08, Software Design & Solutions P wrote:

  > Have any of you had much experience with scheduling applications to run (ie. mdb files) using the AT command?
  > 
  > I am trying to get a job to run overnight for a client using the following syntax:
  > 
  > at 14:26 /interactive /Every:M,T,W,Th,F cmd /c D:\Prices\Priceload.bat
  > 
  > where the files Priceload.bat contains the following:
  > 
  > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  > 
  > @ECHO OFF
  > REM Daily Price File Load
  > TITLE GBST PRICE LOAD
  > 
  > M:
  > cd \Price
  > echo ENTER PRICE FOLDER
  > ntsleep 2 > nul

  What OS? (I don't recognise NTSLEEP - what is it doing)

  > 
  > Call Price.mdb
  > 
  > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  > 
  > 
  > I then get the message 'M:\Price\Price.mdb file not found'.
  > 

  It is actually looking for a file called M:\Price\Price.mdb.bat :-(
  CALL  will only run another batch file.

  To open the MDB , you need to actually run Access and give the MDB name as a parameter

  Replace the line - Call Price.mdb
   with -
  "c:\program files\microsoft office\office\msaccess.exe"  Price.mdb

  or whatever the path is to the access application

  > 
  > So my question for anyone using AT is: do you have any tips to share? What is the most reliable way you have found to schedule an mdb to run?
  > 

  I generally just do a

  AT 05:00 /Every:Mo,Tu,We,Th,Fr  GetPrice

  Then I create a batchfile (GetPrice.cmd) which just contains one line:

  "c:\program files\microsoft office\office\msaccess.exe"  C:\Apps\GetPrice.mdb




  -- 
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  Lexacorp Ltd
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri May  9 01:53:00 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 07:53:00 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
In-Reply-To: <3EBB6141.30285.AC155@localhost>
Message-ID: <00b501c315f7$a4407920$b274d0d5@andypc>

Thanks for the explanation Stuart.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: 08 May 2003 23:05
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> 
> 
> @@Identity is a system wide variable. It returns the last autonumber 
> generated by the system. You certainly can't rely on it to return a 
> particular record number in either a multi user system or in a system 
> where you are inserting into more than one table with autonumbers 
> keys in the same transaction.
> 
> On 8 May 2003 at 9:11, Don Elliker wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Forgive me being dense, but do you mean that @@Identity has 
> to be used 
> > within a transaction (DAO) to get the right autonumber for 
> the current 
> > record? thanks, _d
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > "Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them."
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > >From: "Haslett, Andrew"
> > >Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> > >To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" 
> > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > >Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 08:56:11 +0930 
> > > 
> > >It is safer as @@Identity is linked only to the connection (or
> > transaction)
> > >which created the record.
> > > 
> > >Otherwise you are risking that another user will insert a 
> record in-
> > between
> > >adding and retrieving the ID of the record added by the first user.
> > > 
> > >I'm not sure if that is a risk using the other methods mentioned on
> > this
> > >list, however I *do* now that with @@Identity there is no risk of
> > this
> > >happening.
> > > 
> > >Cheers,
> > >Andrew 
> > > 
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
> > >Sent: Thursday, 8 May 2003 5:22 AM 
> > >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >How does this fare in a multi-user setup?
> > >_D 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them."
> > > 
> > > >From: "Haslett, Andrew"
> > > >Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > >To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" 
> > > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > > >Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 10:28:09 +0930 
> > > > 
> > > >Sure.
> > > > 
> > > >Create a table (table1) with two fields (ID: Autonumber, Field1:
> > Text)
> > > > 
> > > >Paste this code into a module and away you go:
> > > > 
> > > 
> >******************************************************************
> > 
> > > > 
> > > >Sub TestIdentity()
> > > > 
> > > > Dim conn As ADODB.Connection, rs As ADODB.Recordset
> > > > Set conn = CurrentProject.Connection 
> > > > 
> > > > strSQL = "INSERT INTO table1 (field1) VALUES ('SomeValue')"
> > > > conn.Execute strSQL 
> > > > 
> > > > strSQL = "SELECT @@Identity"
> > > > Set rs = conn.Execute(strSQL) 
> > > > 
> > > > intID = rs.Fields.Item(0).Value
> > > > 
> > > > Debug.Print intID
> > > > 
> > > > rs.Close
> > > > conn.Close 
> > > > 
> > > >End Sub
> > > > 
> > > 
> >******************************************************************
> > 
> > > > 
> > > >Cheers,
> > > >Andrew 
> > > > 
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz] 
> > > >Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 9:43 AM 
> > > >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >Andrew, just to complete the knowledge flowing freely here (great
> > stuff),
> > >if
> > > >I've used a SQL statement to INSERT the new record, can I use
> > @@Identity
> > > >(and how)?
> > > > 
> > > >Thanks
> > > >Stephen Bond 
> > > > 
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: Haslett, Andrew [mailto:andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au] 
> > > >Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 10:43 a.m. 
> > > >To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
> > > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >Jet 4.0 supports @@Identity. Therefore if you are inserting your
> > record in
> > > >code using ADO then it will work fine.
> > > > 
> > > >Cheers,
> > > >Andrew 
> > > > 
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] 
> > > >Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 2:01 AM 
> > > >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >I don't think that works in MDBs, which I assume Stephen meant,
> > else he
> > > >would have posted on the SQL list.
> > > > 
> > > >Arthur
> > > > 
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> > Haslett, Andrew
> > > >Sent: May 6, 2003 12:09 AM
> > > >To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
> > > >Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >SELECT @@IDENTITY
> > > > 
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: Stephen Bond [mailto:stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz] 
> > > >Sent: Tuesday, 6 May 2003 12:23 PM 
> > > >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > >Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >In this thread a couple of months ago there was a 
> solution offered
> > to the
> > > >problem of determining the value of an ID Autonumber of a record
> > just
> > >added.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >It was stunning in its simplicity, so of course I didn't write it
> > down ;-(
> > > > 
> > > >Can anyone help?
> > > > 
> > > >TIA
> > > > 
> > > >Stephen Bond
> > > >Otatara, New Zealand 
> > > >( tel 03 213 1256 fax 03 213 0123 
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri May  9 01:55:37 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 07:55:37 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Mail Merge Start Second Copy of Access
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Message-ID: <00b601c315f7$fed54140$b274d0d5@andypc>

Rocky
The FE hasn't moved to a different location has it?

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: 09 May 2003 01:14
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Mail Merge Start Second Copy of Access


Dear List:

I do a mail merge from an A2K app to Word.  The user selects the
document to merge to.  They set the doc up before hand using as a data
source a table in the app front end.  I put the customer name and
address info in this table and it merges quite nicely into the word doc.

But the merging opens up Access and the front end a second time.
Doesn't really bother the user too much but they'd like to get rid of it
if possible.  User insists it didn't used to do that and now it does.  I
can't remember.  They're running Win2K and A2K.

I speculated that it opened up the second instance because of the link
to the front end table as the data source for the merge.

anyway, is this normal?  Can it stopped?

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software


From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  9 02:25:45 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 02:25:45 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B29@main2.marlow.com>

What are you trying to run.  Is it just a data routine, or is it running
reports?  If it's just a data routine, I personally recommend using the NT
service OCX, which allows a VB .exe to run as an NT service.  Much easier to
deal with, shows up in the list of services, the ocx has an easy method to
dump information in the event viewer, etc.

Running reports can be done this way too, but it needs to use Automation.  

>From what I understand, VB.Net has the NT Service capability built in.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: 5/8/03 10:08 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT

Have any of you had much experience with scheduling applications to run
(ie. mdb files) using the AT command?
 
I am trying to get a job to run overnight for a client using the
following syntax:
 
at 14:26 /interactive /Every:M,T,W,Th,F cmd /c D:\Prices\Priceload.bat
 
where the files Priceload.bat contains the following:
  _____  

@ECHO OFF
REM Daily Price File Load
TITLE GBST PRICE LOAD
 
M:
cd \Price
echo ENTER PRICE FOLDER
ntsleep 2 > nul
 
Call Price.mdb

  _____  

 
I then get the message 'M:\Price\Price.mdb file not found'.
 
Because it is real PITN to keep mucking around with this syntax in DOS,
I am also having a play with some shareware(?) the client had called
WINAT. It seems good, but when I use it at my client site to edit the
paremeters of the AT command, extra characters appear at the end of the
command, so I am not sure whether the command will work or not.
Characters are things like pipes and @symbols. 
 
So my question for anyone using AT is: do you have any tips to share?
What is the most reliable way you have found to schedule an mdb to run?
 
TIA
Kath
 
 
Kath Pelletti
Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
Ph: 9505-6714
Fax: 9505-6430
SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au <mailto:SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au> 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  9 02:27:35 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 02:27:35 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD]  Accessing individual cell information from excel w
	ith an ADO connection
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B2A@main2.marlow.com>

Yes, column headings make it easier, but you can still use the * option, and
then refer to the columns/fields by number/position.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Powell, David (BBM)
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: 5/8/03 10:10 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD]  Accessing individual cell information from excel
with an ADO connection

Thanks for all your input so far.  I have finally got this working and
it works well when you have columns of data with headings.  What I need
to do now is extract a cell value from a report layout which doesn't
have column headings.  Eg. Range("E21").  Any help will be greatly
appreciated.


TIA

David


-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 10:22 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Accessing individual cell information from excel
with an ADO connection


Yes, my example had the fields and tables wrapped in `'s  (Note, that is
the character underneath the tilde on most keyboards.  Personally, when
I began using ADO with Excel, I cheated.  I used VB 6.0's Data
Environment to create a connection to an Excel spreadsheet, then I used
it's query builder to make the SQL I wanted.

I know it's cheating, but it works! <VBG>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Powell, David (BBM) [mailto:david.powell at bbm.wapl.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 3:00 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Accessing individual cell information from excel
with an ADO connection


Thanks Drew for the VERY quick reply.  Just one problem though.  The SQL
part doesn't work.  This is how I have set up my code thus far:

  Dim cnn As New ADODB.Connection
  Dim rs As ADODB.Recordset
  With cnn
    .Provider = "Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
    .Properties("Extended Properties") = "Excel 8.0"
    .Open "C:\MyPath\MyXLSpreadsheet.xls"
  End With
  Set rs = New ADODB.Recordset
  rs.Open "SELECT MyCellTitle From MAY03", cnn, adOpenDynamic,
adLockOptimistic

If I add a $ to the end of MAY03 in the select statement as suggested, I
get an error "syntax error in FROM clause"  If I remove the $ I get an
error "The Microsoft Jet database engine could not find the object
'MAY03'

I have successfully connected to another spreadsheet and succeeded, but
created a new spreadsheet from scratch and have the same results as the
first one.  Any idea why I can't connect to this spreadsheet?


Regards

David


-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2003 1:31 PM
To: 'AccessD '
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Accessing individual cell information from excel
with an ADO connection


Select `MyCellsTitle`
>From `Sheet1$`

That SQL will open a recordset with only one row.  (Of course the row
needs to have a header titled MyCellsTitle (whatever is in the first
row).

To open a ADO connection object for an excel spreadsheet:

With cnnExcel
    .Provider = "Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0"
    .Properties("Extended Properties") = "Excel 8.0"
End With
cnnExcel.Open strPath

-----Original Message-----
From: Powell, David (BBM)
To: AccessD
Sent: 5/7/03 12:10 AM
Subject: [AccessD]  Accessing individual cell information from excel
with an ADO connection

Hi, 

I am trying to collate relevant data which is entered into a vast number
of excel spreadsheets into one centralised access database.  Can someone
please point me in  the right direction on how to reference a cell to
copy to a table field.


TIA 

David 




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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri May  9 03:35:47 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 10:35:47 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
In-Reply-To: <3EBB6141.30285.AC155@localhost>
References: <3EBB6141.30285.AC155@localhost>
Message-ID: <1065750378.20030509103547@cactus.dk>

Hi Andrew and Stuart et al

I'm confused!

Andrew wrote:

It is safer as  @@Identity is linked only to the connection (or transaction)
which created the record.  
 
Otherwise you are risking that another user will insert a record in-between
adding and retrieving the ID of the record added by the first user.
 
I'm not sure if that is a risk using the other methods mentioned on this
list, however I *do* now that with @@Identity there is no risk of this
happening.

but Stuart wrote:

> @@Identity is a system wide variable. It returns the last autonumber 
> generated by the system. You certainly can't rely on it to return a 
> particular record number in either a multi user system or in a system 
> where you are inserting into more than one table with autonumbers 
> keys in the same transaction.

So now, what to believe?

/gustav


From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri May  9 03:39:04 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 10:39:04 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Insert record into  fake group
In-Reply-To: <014901c315ed$bb650c60$0100a8c0@razvoj>
References: <002f01c3154e$06f29760$0100a8c0@razvoj>
	<002901c3155d$cba90760$0100a8c0@razvoj>
	<014901c315ed$bb650c60$0100a8c0@razvoj>
Message-ID: <695946740.20030509103904@cactus.dk>

Hi Ervin

>> Before you'll get beaten by the normalization gurus of the list (I'm
>> one but I don't beat) you should consider to split those sort orders
>> out to separate (numeric) fields. In the long run I'm convinced it'll
>> save you a lot of trouble.

> Gustav,
> beat me, if there is no excuse, but the backend database is deployed, and I
> have to use the existing text field :(

OK bad luck - except if you apply the famous Back End Upgrader (BEU)!

/gustav


From SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au  Fri May  9 03:46:17 2003
From: SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au (Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 18:46:17 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B29@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <002101c31607$75085b90$54dd31d2@OfficePC>

Hi drew - this is an mdb - the basic process it performs is to log on to an external system, read in some data, manipulate that data and export it out to an external txt file.

I have done it in vba only because I do not know pure vb (and don't own it). There's no requirement to change it as it does the job - just need it automated. They are running Windows NT. You lost me on the NT service OCX. What is that?

Rgds
Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Drew Wutka 
  To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com ' 
  Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:25 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT


  What are you trying to run.  Is it just a data routine, or is it running
  reports?  If it's just a data routine, I personally recommend using the NT
  service OCX, which allows a VB .exe to run as an NT service.  Much easier to
  deal with, shows up in the list of services, the ocx has an easy method to
  dump information in the event viewer, etc.

  Running reports can be done this way too, but it needs to use Automation.  

  >From what I understand, VB.Net has the NT Service capability built in.

  Drew

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
  Sent: 5/8/03 10:08 PM
  Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT

  Have any of you had much experience with scheduling applications to run
  (ie. mdb files) using the AT command?
   
  I am trying to get a job to run overnight for a client using the
  following syntax:
   
  at 14:26 /interactive /Every:M,T,W,Th,F cmd /c D:\Prices\Priceload.bat
   
  where the files Priceload.bat contains the following:
    _____  

  @ECHO OFF
  REM Daily Price File Load
  TITLE GBST PRICE LOAD
   
  M:
  cd \Price
  echo ENTER PRICE FOLDER
  ntsleep 2 > nul
   
  Call Price.mdb

    _____  

   
  I then get the message 'M:\Price\Price.mdb file not found'.
   
  Because it is real PITN to keep mucking around with this syntax in DOS,
  I am also having a play with some shareware(?) the client had called
  WINAT. It seems good, but when I use it at my client site to edit the
  paremeters of the AT command, extra characters appear at the end of the
  command, so I am not sure whether the command will work or not.
  Characters are things like pipes and @symbols. 
   
  So my question for anyone using AT is: do you have any tips to share?
  What is the most reliable way you have found to schedule an mdb to run?
   
  TIA
  Kath
   
   
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  Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
  Ph: 9505-6714
  Fax: 9505-6430
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri May  9 04:09:31 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 11:09:31 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Disabling Links in Excel
In-Reply-To: <55337.199.67.140.20.1052408142.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>
References: <BAY4-F17PiNDcvMemAs00008598@hotmail.com>
 <36629.199.67.140.20.1052404655.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>
 <19832913937.20030508171842@cactus.dk>
 <55337.199.67.140.20.1052408142.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <587774018.20030509110931@cactus.dk>

Hi Oleg

Yes, I think that is what I thought of - however I'm not an Excel guru
and others may have better advice for you.

/gustav

> you mean cop/paste special-values ?
> I've done that; it get read of 4 links, but still keeps one. And there is
> still that "Would you like to refresh the lnik" message which management
> doesn't like.

>> Hi Oleg
>>
>> If you use the workbook just for sending data with no need for
>> formulas you can replace all formulas and links of the cells with the
>> calculated values.


From markH at bitgen.co.uk  Fri May  9 04:11:25 2003
From: markH at bitgen.co.uk (MarkH)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 10:11:25 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Anyone using  the Excel-L list? 
In-Reply-To: <695946740.20030509103904@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000501c3160a$f8439ad0$1f6f893e@laptop>

Hi All

Sorry for the OT post. I subscribed to the Excel-L list a couple of
wekes ago (saw it mentioned in someone else post) and have so far seen
not a single email. I have checkec my subscription options and it looks
fine. Is it just a very quiet list?

Cheers

Mark


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri May  9 06:51:41 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 21:51:41 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
In-Reply-To: <1065750378.20030509103547@cactus.dk>
References: <3EBB6141.30285.AC155@localhost>
Message-ID: <3EBC22ED.12287.2FF4DA3@localhost>

In Jet 4 it's on a per connection basis. In SQL Server, it's a system 
variable. So it depends on whether you Backend is  Access or SQL 
Server.

If you are using an Acces BE with Jet 4 and only updating one table 
with the connection, it's safe - if it's an SQL Server BE or the same 
connection updates multiple tables in an Acces BE,  it's not.


On 9 May 2003 at 10:35, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi Andrew and Stuart et al
> 
> I'm confused!
> 
> Andrew wrote:
> 
> It is safer as  @@Identity is linked only to the connection (or
> transaction) which created the record.  
> 
> Otherwise you are risking that another user will insert a record
> in-between adding and retrieving the ID of the record added by the
> first user.
> 
> I'm not sure if that is a risk using the other methods mentioned on
> this list, however I *do* now that with @@Identity there is no risk of
> this happening.
> 
> but Stuart wrote:
> 
> > @@Identity is a system wide variable. It returns the last autonumber
> > generated by the system. You certainly can't rely on it to return a
> > particular record number in either a multi user system or in a
> > system where you are inserting into more than one table with
> > autonumbers keys in the same transaction.
> 
> So now, what to believe?
> 
> /gustav
> 
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Support.




From nancy.lytle at auatac.com  Fri May  9 07:03:43 2003
From: nancy.lytle at auatac.com (Nancy Lytle)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 08:03:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL statement problem
In-Reply-To: <3EBB86F5.1120.AA01E90@localhost>
Message-ID: <OPEHJDCMPKDOHDELKBPHEEIIDLAA.nancy.lytle@auatac.com>

Thanks, Stuart, using the Replace worked, I completely misses the ' in
"doesn't" in the error description.

I appreciate everyone's assistance in this, it was just driving me crazy.  I
tried each and every solution, and have learned a lot in the process.  And
now I have set up a system that I can play with, that records the errors I
want, when they happen, in what procedure, who was using it, etc.

Again, many thanks to everyone, this is THE best list!

Nancy L

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 8:46 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com; Nancy Lytle
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL statement problem


On 8 May 2003 at 17:19, Jim Lawrence (AccessD) wrote:

>
> I have used this same technique many times in the past, but this time it
> just won't work.
>
> It has to be the single quotes inside the Err_Description.
>

If you are trying to insert a single quote in a field in an SQL statement
you need to "Escape" it by making it two
consecutive single quotes.

Try Replace("ErrDescription",Chr$(39),CHr$(39) & Chr$(39)) instead of just
ErrDescription


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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Fri May  9 07:09:17 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 07:09:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access Normalization
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357D2@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Gale,

The output of the Access Documenter can be saved as a table and
exported.  Will that meet your needs?

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Gale Perez [mailto:gale_perez at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday 2003 May 08 17:46
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access Normalization

Hello!

I haven't posted for quite a while (have been working
in Oracle, am now doing project management and working
on some Access tracking DBs).  It's nice to be back
and see familiar names :)

Is there a way to export Access table definitions into
Excel or into a normalization tool (we're using
Brackets)?  I'm asking on someone else's behalf and
she has tried Export but gets the message that she
doesn't have permissions (it's not a secured
database).  Can you access the data dictionary with
SQL statements?

Thank you for any assistance,
Gale

From artful at rogers.com  Fri May  9 07:15:33 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 08:15:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Normalization
In-Reply-To: <20030508224549.36777.qmail@web21210.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00cd01c31624$b0b261a0$8e01a8c0@Rock>

Great concept, a normalization tool! 

"Yo, dumbass, these columns should be a related table, click OK to overrule
yo dumbass design, foo!" :-)

AFAIK no one has built it yet.

I'm a big fan of database-design tools such as Erwin, PowerDesigner and (my
fave lately) DeZign, which costs 1/10 of the price of the aforementioned and
delivers almost all their functionality. Said tools can inhale a db and turn
it into a model and let you remodel it and then exhale a db to a list of
targets, automatically converting data types etc. You can inhale Access and
exhale MySQL if that's what you want, or Oracle or DB2 or MS-SQL or Sybase.

When I work on a new project, I spend a lot of time in DeZign before writing
a line of code. When I work on an existing project, first thing I do is
import it into DeZign. It vaguely resembles the Access Relationships window
but offers many more benefits, most notably Domains. 

(I own no shares in this company; I'm just a satisfied user.)

Back to your question. If the db Admins have not granted her sufficient
privs to export definitions then there is no simple way around it. She is
asking either for hacker tools or for increased privs.

Secondly, why export table definitions to Excel? Why not simple ascii files
that you can run in QA to rebuild structures?

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gale Perez
Sent: May 8, 2003 6:46 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access Normalization


Hello!

I haven't posted for quite a while (have been working
in Oracle, am now doing project management and working
on some Access tracking DBs).  It's nice to be back
and see familiar names :)

Is there a way to export Access table definitions into
Excel or into a normalization tool (we're using
Brackets)?  I'm asking on someone else's behalf and
she has tried Export but gets the message that she
doesn't have permissions (it's not a secured
database).  Can you access the data dictionary with
SQL statements?

Thank you for any assistance,
Gale


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From rmoore at comtechpst.com  Fri May  9 07:25:52 2003
From: rmoore at comtechpst.com (Ron Moore)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 08:25:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Anyone using  the Excel-L list? 
In-Reply-To: <000501c3160a$f8439ad0$1f6f893e@laptop>
Message-ID: <007d01c31626$225e2770$4814a8c0@Comtech.Comtechpst.com>

Mark, I have used this list for some time.  Very active - 4 posts so far
today.

Ron

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Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:11 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Anyone using the Excel-L list?


Hi All

Sorry for the OT post. I subscribed to the Excel-L list a couple of
wekes ago (saw it mentioned in someone else post) and have so far seen
not a single email. I have checkec my subscription options and it looks
fine. Is it just a very quiet list?

Cheers

Mark

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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Fri May  9 07:42:59 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 08:42:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT
In-Reply-To: <004501c315d8$43529270$54dd31d2@OfficePC>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKCEHAGDAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Kath,

  WINAT is not shareware, but comes with the Windows NT resource kit.  I use
it at one clients site and have never had a problem with it.  I simply call
a batch file that executes Access and the MDB.  Has worked fine for years.
An example of the batch file I use is below.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

REM Calls extract program for a full regen and process
REM (Extract, Generate, and Send)
REM Date is not passed.  Relies on server date to calulate Monday date.
"C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office\MSACCESS.EXE"
"C:\ESCS2\ESCXTR.MDB" /CMD * * *

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Software Design &
Solutions Pty Ltd.
  Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:08 PM
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT


  Have any of you had much experience with scheduling applications to run
(ie. mdb files) using the AT command?

  I am trying to get a job to run overnight for a client using the following
syntax:

  at 14:26 /interactive /Every:M,T,W,Th,F cmd /c D:\Prices\Priceload.bat

  where the files Priceload.bat contains the following:

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--

  @ECHO OFF
  REM Daily Price File Load
  TITLE GBST PRICE LOAD

  M:
  cd \Price
  echo ENTER PRICE FOLDER
  ntsleep 2 > nul

  Call Price.mdb

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--


  I then get the message 'M:\Price\Price.mdb file not found'.

  Because it is real PITN to keep mucking around with this syntax in DOS, I
am also having a play with some shareware(?) the client had called WINAT. It
seems good, but when I use it at my client site to edit the paremeters of
the AT command, extra characters appear at the end of the command, so I am
not sure whether the command will work or not. Characters are things like
pipes and @symbols.

  So my question for anyone using AT is: do you have any tips to share? What
is the most reliable way you have found to schedule an mdb to run?

  TIA
  Kath


  Kath Pelletti
  Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
  Ph: 9505-6714
  Fax: 9505-6430
  SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au
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From delliker at hotmail.com  Fri May  9 07:53:31 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 08:53:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri May  9 09:00:13 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 07:00:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Mail Merge Start Second Copy of Access
References: <00b601c315f7$fed54140$b274d0d5@andypc>
Message-ID: <007701c31633$4ff16870$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

No. Well, maybe.  I load the FE on the server in the same folder with the
BE.  Then relink the tables.  Then drag the FE up to the clients' desktop
where they run it.  The mail merge table which is the data source for the
document is in the client FE.  Now, I'm thinking that the data source in the
document is pointing to the FE on their desktop. At least that's where it
was when I showed them how to make a data source for their docs.  However,
perhaps they have recreated the data source and are pointing to the FE on
the server.  Which would be bad if two of them tried to do a merge at the
same time.  I'll have to check that out.  Would that cause the second
instance of Access to start?

Thanks and regards,

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:55 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mail Merge Start Second Copy of Access


> Rocky
> The FE hasn't moved to a different location has it?
>
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> - Beach Access Software
> Sent: 09 May 2003 01:14
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Mail Merge Start Second Copy of Access
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> I do a mail merge from an A2K app to Word.  The user selects the
> document to merge to.  They set the doc up before hand using as a data
> source a table in the app front end.  I put the customer name and
> address info in this table and it merges quite nicely into the word doc.
>
> But the merging opens up Access and the front end a second time.
> Doesn't really bother the user too much but they'd like to get rid of it
> if possible.  User insists it didn't used to do that and now it does.  I
> can't remember.  They're running Win2K and A2K.
>
> I speculated that it opened up the second instance because of the link
> to the front end table as the data source for the merge.
>
> anyway, is this normal?  Can it stopped?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From john at winhaven.net  Fri May  9 09:08:20 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 09:08:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Mail Merge Start Second Copy of Access
In-Reply-To: <014401c315bf$e6aa6790$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIIECMEHAA.john@winhaven.net>

Rocky,
IIRC there is something quirky about mail merges that opens a second copy of
access if your Access app has an application title or icon set in the
startup properties.

One among the many reasons that I eventually went away from mail merging
with access directly. I now dump the data to an text file and merged word
with it (thanks again Brett). I could send you the code for those procedures
if you want. Most of it came from this list.

JB

 -----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 7:14 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Mail Merge Start Second Copy of Access


  Dear List:

  I do a mail merge from an A2K app to Word.  The user selects the document
to merge to.  They set the doc up before hand using as a data source a table
in the app front end.  I put the customer name and address info in this
table and it merges quite nicely into the word doc.

  But the merging opens up Access and the front end a second time.  Doesn't
really bother the user too much but they'd like to get rid of it if
possible.  User insists it didn't used to do that and now it does.  I can't
remember.  They're running Win2K and A2K.

  I speculated that it opened up the second instance because of the link to
the front end table as the data source for the merge.

  anyway, is this normal?  Can it stopped?

  MTIA,

  Rocky Smolin
  Beach Access Software
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri May  9 09:18:35 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 15:18:35 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Mail Merge Start Second Copy of Access
Message-ID: <20030509141832.AA8161D7C3F@mrburns.nildram.co.uk>

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May  9 10:15:10 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 08:15:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Mail Merge Start Second Copy of Access
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F2A@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Mail merges look for a window title that starts with  "Microsoft Access"
to determine if an instance is running.  If you have set the apptitle to
something else, it will launch another instance.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 6:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mail Merge Start Second Copy of Access


Rocky,
IIRC there is something quirky about mail merges that opens a second
copy of access if your Access app has an application title or icon set
in the startup properties.

One among the many reasons that I eventually went away from mail merging
with access directly. I now dump the data to an text file and merged
word with it (thanks again Brett). I could send you the code for those
procedures if you want. Most of it came from this list.

JB

 -----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 7:14 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Mail Merge Start Second Copy of Access


Dear List:

I do a mail merge from an A2K app to Word.  The user selects the
document to merge to.  They set the doc up before hand using as a data
source a table in the app front end.  I put the customer name and
address info in this table and it merges quite nicely into the word doc.

But the merging opens up Access and the front end a second time.
Doesn't really bother the user too much but they'd like to get rid of it
if possible.  User insists it didn't used to do that and now it does.  I
can't remember.  They're running Win2K and A2K.

I speculated that it opened up the second instance because of the link
to the front end table as the data source for the merge.

anyway, is this normal?  Can it stopped?

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri May  9 10:42:59 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 08:42:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Mail Merge Start Second Copy of Access
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F2A@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <00cd01c31641$ab2cc870$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

That answers that, Charlotte.

Thanks


Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 8:15 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mail Merge Start Second Copy of Access


> Mail merges look for a window title that starts with  "Microsoft Access"
> to determine if an instance is running.  If you have set the apptitle to
> something else, it will launch another instance.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 6:08 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mail Merge Start Second Copy of Access
> 
> 
> Rocky,
> IIRC there is something quirky about mail merges that opens a second
> copy of access if your Access app has an application title or icon set
> in the startup properties.
> 
> One among the many reasons that I eventually went away from mail merging
> with access directly. I now dump the data to an text file and merged
> word with it (thanks again Brett). I could send you the code for those
> procedures if you want. Most of it came from this list.
> 
> JB
> 
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 7:14 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Mail Merge Start Second Copy of Access
> 
> 
> Dear List:
> 
> I do a mail merge from an A2K app to Word.  The user selects the
> document to merge to.  They set the doc up before hand using as a data
> source a table in the app front end.  I put the customer name and
> address info in this table and it merges quite nicely into the word doc.
> 
> But the merging opens up Access and the front end a second time.
> Doesn't really bother the user too much but they'd like to get rid of it
> if possible.  User insists it didn't used to do that and now it does.  I
> can't remember.  They're running Win2K and A2K.
> 
> I speculated that it opened up the second instance because of the link
> to the front end table as the data source for the merge.
> 
> anyway, is this normal?  Can it stopped?
> 
> MTIA,
> 
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From gale_perez at yahoo.com  Fri May  9 10:52:07 2003
From: gale_perez at yahoo.com (Gale Perez)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 08:52:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Access Normalization
In-Reply-To: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357D2@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <20030509155207.13096.qmail@web21202.mail.yahoo.com>

I forgot about that!  So simple.  (That's what happens
when you are away from Access for so long!)  Thank you
so much, Charles.

Gale

--- "Wortz, Charles" <CWortz at tea.state.tx.us> wrote:
> Gale,
> 
> The output of the Access Documenter can be saved as
> a table and
> exported.  Will that meet your needs?
> 
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gale Perez [mailto:gale_perez at yahoo.com] 
> Sent: Thursday 2003 May 08 17:46
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Access Normalization
> 
> Hello!
> 
> I haven't posted for quite a while (have been
> working
> in Oracle, am now doing project management and
> working
> on some Access tracking DBs).  It's nice to be back
> and see familiar names :)
> 
> Is there a way to export Access table definitions
> into
> Excel or into a normalization tool (we're using
> Brackets)?  I'm asking on someone else's behalf and
> she has tried Export but gets the message that she
> doesn't have permissions (it's not a secured
> database).  Can you access the data dictionary with
> SQL statements?
> 
> Thank you for any assistance,
> Gale
> _______________________________________________
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri May  9 10:55:21 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 08:55:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] 
	@#$%^&* bound forms - can' edit field, bound to unkown field
Message-ID: <010c01c31643$65865c30$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Dear List:

There's something simple going wrong here, but I can't spot it. 

I have a combo box which is bound to a field 'fldRAHPaymentTermsID'. The data source of the form is 'qryRentalAgreementHeaderByOrderNumber' which has 'fldRAHPaymentTermsID' as one of its fields.  And the field shows up in the Control Source of the combo box.  

The combo box has tblPaymentTerms as its row source - a table with two fields - a payment term ID and the payment term description. Bound column is 1.

When I try to select a value form the combo box it I get a message in the status line; "Control can't be edited; it's bound to unknown field 'fldRAHPaymentTermsID'.  If I try to set the combo box value in code I get and error "You can't assign a value to this object". (Of course not, it's bound to an unknown field.)

If I open the query, I can insert a value in the 'fldRAHPaymentTermsID' field in the table view of the query.  So it's got to be something in the form, Yes?

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Fri May  9 11:07:24 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 11:07:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] @#$%^&* bound forms - can' edit field, bound to unkown
	field
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F87801@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Rocky,
 
A bound combo box has a Row Source Type which should be "Table/Query"
and a Row Source which should be the name of either a table or a query.
Then the Control Source should be the name of a field from the Row
Source, not from the form's data source.
 
Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 10:55
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] @#$%^&* bound forms - can' edit field, bound to
unkown field

 
 Dear List:
 
There's something simple going wrong here, but I can't spot it. 
 
I have a combo box which is bound to a field 'fldRAHPaymentTermsID'. The
data source of the form is 'qryRentalAgreementHeaderByOrderNumber' which
has 'fldRAHPaymentTermsID' as one of its fields.  And the field shows up
in the Control Source of the combo box.  
 
The combo box has tblPaymentTerms as its row source - a table with two
fields - a payment term ID and the payment term description. Bound
column is 1.
 
When I try to select a value form the combo box it I get a message in
the status line; "Control can't be edited; it's bound to unknown field
'fldRAHPaymentTermsID'.  If I try to set the combo box value in code I
get and error "You can't assign a value to this object". (Of course not,
it's bound to an unknown field.)
 
If I open the query, I can insert a value in the 'fldRAHPaymentTermsID'
field in the table view of the query.  So it's got to be something in
the form, Yes?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
 
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From DElam at jenkens.com  Fri May  9 11:03:50 2003
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 11:03:50 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD]  @#$%^&* bound forms - can' edit field, bound to un
	kown field
Message-ID: <4AAC675EBAF3D411BCA200508BCFAA8E02F218A0@NATEXCH1>

Have you checked for typos?  That would be my first guess.  I always use the
combo to select the field in properties because this has been a plague to me
when I typed everything out.
 
Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 10:55 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] @#$%^&* bound forms - can' edit field, bound to unkown
field


Dear List:
 
There's something simple going wrong here, but I can't spot it. 
 
I have a combo box which is bound to a field 'fldRAHPaymentTermsID'. The
data source of the form is 'qryRentalAgreementHeaderByOrderNumber' which has
'fldRAHPaymentTermsID' as one of its fields.  And the field shows up in the
Control Source of the combo box.  
 
The combo box has tblPaymentTerms as its row source - a table with two
fields - a payment term ID and the payment term description. Bound column is
1.
 
When I try to select a value form the combo box it I get a message in the
status line; "Control can't be edited; it's bound to unknown field
'fldRAHPaymentTermsID'.  If I try to set the combo box value in code I get
and error "You can't assign a value to this object". (Of course not, it's
bound to an unknown field.)
 
If I open the query, I can insert a value in the 'fldRAHPaymentTermsID'
field in the table view of the query.  So it's got to be something in the
form, Yes?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
 



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From jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com  Fri May  9 11:11:54 2003
From: jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com (jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 11:11:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] @#$%^&* bound forms - can' edit field, bound to
 unkown field
Message-ID: <OF786EC1F5.2D84DEAF-ON86256D21.0058EE84-86256D21.0058FAF9@nc.us.bank-dns.com>

Have you check the rowsource type property?




"Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Sent by: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
05/09/2003 10:55 AM
Please respond to accessd

 
        To:     AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
        cc: 
        Subject:        [AccessD] @#$%^&* bound forms - can' edit field, bound to unkown field


Dear List:
 
There's something simple going wrong here, but I can't spot it. 
 
I have a combo box which is bound to a field 'fldRAHPaymentTermsID'. The 
data source of the form is 'qryRentalAgreementHeaderByOrderNumber' which 
has 'fldRAHPaymentTermsID' as one of its fields.  And the field shows up 
in the Control Source of the combo box. 
 
The combo box has tblPaymentTerms as its row source - a table with two 
fields - a payment term ID and the payment term description. Bound column 
is 1.
 
When I try to select a value form the combo box it I get a message in the 
status line; "Control can't be edited; it's bound to unknown field 
'fldRAHPaymentTermsID'.  If I try to set the combo box value in code I get 
and error "You can't assign a value to this object". (Of course not, it's 
bound to an unknown field.)
 
If I open the query, I can insert a value in the 'fldRAHPaymentTermsID' 
field in the table view of the query.  So it's got to be something in the 
form, Yes?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
 
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From john at winhaven.net  Fri May  9 11:49:06 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 11:49:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
In-Reply-To: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F877FE@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIEECOEHAA.john@winhaven.net>

I've often thought that too. I subscribe to a number of
newsletters/magazines and they do tend to have similar topics in them. The
Q&A/Tips sections often reflect items that have popped up on various lists.

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz, Charles
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:04 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
>
>
> Charlotte,
>
> More likely that the editors are lurkers on lists such as this.  When
> they see an interesting topic come up on the lists, they each go and
> commission an article from one of writers in their stables.  Thus,
> several months later the mags have similar articles.  If my hypothesis
> is true, then we should see some articles on []. subqueries coming out
> in a few months.
>
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent: Thursday 2003 May 08 12:49
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
>
> I've noticed the phenomenon over the years that all the mags on the same
> general topic will tend to have similar articles at about the same time.
> I think it must be ESP or aliens!
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 8:46 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
>
>
> Ah, man on a mission - I found the issue of Access Advisor.
>
> It was December 2001 Advisor Tips
>
> "Creating Derived Tables in Jet"
>
> Access 2002/200/97
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>



From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri May  9 11:52:00 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 09:52:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD]  @#$%^&* bound forms - can' edit field, bound to un
	kown field
References: <4AAC675EBAF3D411BCA200508BCFAA8E02F218A0@NATEXCH1>
Message-ID: <014d01c3164b$4fa9eb40$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Debbie, Jeffery, and Charles:

Sorry for the post.  There was no earthly reason why this shouldn't work and
in fact, after I restarted the app, it's now working.

Apparently, even though the field 'fldRAHPaymentTermsID' (which I had just
added to the query AND saved it) showed up where it was supposed to,
something hadn't registered.  Restarting the app fixed the 'problem'.

Gotta love Access.

Thanks for you replies.

Best,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elam, Debbie" <DElam at jenkens.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 9:03 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] @#$%^&* bound forms - can' edit field, bound to un
kown field


> Have you checked for typos?  That would be my first guess.  I always use
the
> combo to select the field in properties because this has been a plague to
me
> when I typed everything out.
>
> Debbie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 10:55 AM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] @#$%^&* bound forms - can' edit field, bound to unkown
> field
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> There's something simple going wrong here, but I can't spot it.
>
> I have a combo box which is bound to a field 'fldRAHPaymentTermsID'. The
> data source of the form is 'qryRentalAgreementHeaderByOrderNumber' which
has
> 'fldRAHPaymentTermsID' as one of its fields.  And the field shows up in
the
> Control Source of the combo box.
>
> The combo box has tblPaymentTerms as its row source - a table with two
> fields - a payment term ID and the payment term description. Bound column
is
> 1.
>
> When I try to select a value form the combo box it I get a message in the
> status line; "Control can't be edited; it's bound to unknown field
> 'fldRAHPaymentTermsID'.  If I try to set the combo box value in code I get
> and error "You can't assign a value to this object". (Of course not, it's
> bound to an unknown field.)
>
> If I open the query, I can insert a value in the 'fldRAHPaymentTermsID'
> field in the table view of the query.  So it's got to be something in the
> form, Yes?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
>
>
>
>
> - JENKENS & GILCHRIST E-MAIL NOTICE - This transmission may be: (1)
subject
> to the Attorney-Client Privilege, (2) an attorney work product, or (3)
> strictly confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this
> message, you may not disclose, print, copy or disseminate this
information.
> If you have received this in error, please reply and notify the sender
> (only) and delete the message. Unauthorized interception of this e-mail is
a
> violation of federal criminal law.
>
>   This communication does not reflect an intention by the sender or the
> sender's client or principal to conduct a transaction or make any
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attachment
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> shall constitute a contract or electronic signature under the Electronic
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>
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From mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com  Fri May  9 13:00:05 2003
From: mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com (Mark Whittinghill)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 12:00:05 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Downgrading to ODE 2000
Message-ID: <000701c31654$d2562230$0400000a@PASCAL>

Does M$ have a downgrade option to get ODE 2000 if you have the XP version?
I looked on the site and can't figure out the legalese.

Thanks,

Mark Whittinghill
Symphony Information Services
612-333-1311
mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May  9 12:01:14 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 13:01:14 -0400
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
In-Reply-To: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIEECOEHAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEDBDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Naw, it's more likely that people like Susan, Martin and Arthur all write
for these newsletters.  They are list members, and when they see a good
topic, they write an article.  Since an article can only be sold to a single
newsletter, they all get together and discuss who's gonna write up the tip
for which newsletter.  Susan sells to one, Martin to another, Arthur to
another.  Etc.

No law says they each can't write on the same SUBJECT but for a different
newsletter.

And if they didn't before, they will now.  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 12:49 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


I've often thought that too. I subscribe to a number of
newsletters/magazines and they do tend to have similar topics in them. The
Q&A/Tips sections often reflect items that have popped up on various lists.

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz, Charles
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:04 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
>
>
> Charlotte,
>
> More likely that the editors are lurkers on lists such as this.  When
> they see an interesting topic come up on the lists, they each go and
> commission an article from one of writers in their stables.  Thus,
> several months later the mags have similar articles.  If my hypothesis
> is true, then we should see some articles on []. subqueries coming out
> in a few months.
>
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us





From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Fri May  9 12:06:41 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 12:06:41 -0500
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357D7@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

John,

Now that you have revealed the secrets of the cabal, they will have to
deal with you! <grin>

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 12:01
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery

Naw, it's more likely that people like Susan, Martin and Arthur all
write for these newsletters.  They are list members, and when they see a
good topic, they write an article.  Since an article can only be sold to
a single newsletter, they all get together and discuss who's gonna write
up the tip for which newsletter.  Susan sells to one, Martin to another,
Arthur to another.  Etc.

No law says they each can't write on the same SUBJECT but for a
different newsletter.

And if they didn't before, they will now.  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 12:49 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


I've often thought that too. I subscribe to a number of
newsletters/magazines and they do tend to have similar topics in them.
The Q&A/Tips sections often reflect items that have popped up on various
lists.

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz, 
> Charles
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:04 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
>
>
> Charlotte,
>
> More likely that the editors are lurkers on lists such as this.  When 
> they see an interesting topic come up on the lists, they each go and 
> commission an article from one of writers in their stables.  Thus, 
> several months later the mags have similar articles.  If my hypothesis

> is true, then we should see some articles on []. subqueries coming out

> in a few months.
>
> Charles Wortz

From jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com  Fri May  9 12:07:47 2003
From: jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com (jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 12:07:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] @#$%^&* bound forms - can' edit field, bound to
 un kown field
Message-ID: <OFEB5D6C68.24EA92DA-ON86256D21.005E0F5D-86256D21.005E18C3@nc.us.bank-dns.com>

Your are preaching to the choir.




"Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Sent by: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
05/09/2003 11:52 AM
Please respond to accessd

 
        To:     accessd at databaseadvisors.com
        cc: 
        Subject:        Re: [AccessD] @#$%^&* bound forms - can' edit field, bound to un kown 
field


Debbie, Jeffery, and Charles:

Sorry for the post.  There was no earthly reason why this shouldn't work 
and
in fact, after I restarted the app, it's now working.

Apparently, even though the field 'fldRAHPaymentTermsID' (which I had just
added to the query AND saved it) showed up where it was supposed to,
something hadn't registered.  Restarting the app fixed the 'problem'.

Gotta love Access.

Thanks for you replies.

Best,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elam, Debbie" <DElam at jenkens.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 9:03 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] @#$%^&* bound forms - can' edit field, bound to un
kown field


> Have you checked for typos?  That would be my first guess.  I always use
the
> combo to select the field in properties because this has been a plague 
to
me
> when I typed everything out.
>
> Debbie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 10:55 AM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] @#$%^&* bound forms - can' edit field, bound to 
unkown
> field
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> There's something simple going wrong here, but I can't spot it.
>
> I have a combo box which is bound to a field 'fldRAHPaymentTermsID'. The
> data source of the form is 'qryRentalAgreementHeaderByOrderNumber' which
has
> 'fldRAHPaymentTermsID' as one of its fields.  And the field shows up in
the
> Control Source of the combo box.
>
> The combo box has tblPaymentTerms as its row source - a table with two
> fields - a payment term ID and the payment term description. Bound 
column
is
> 1.
>
> When I try to select a value form the combo box it I get a message in 
the
> status line; "Control can't be edited; it's bound to unknown field
> 'fldRAHPaymentTermsID'.  If I try to set the combo box value in code I 
get
> and error "You can't assign a value to this object". (Of course not, 
it's
> bound to an unknown field.)
>
> If I open the query, I can insert a value in the 'fldRAHPaymentTermsID'
> field in the table view of the query.  So it's got to be something in 
the
> form, Yes?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
>
>
>
>
> - JENKENS & GILCHRIST E-MAIL NOTICE - This transmission may be: (1)
subject
> to the Attorney-Client Privilege, (2) an attorney work product, or (3)
> strictly confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this
> message, you may not disclose, print, copy or disseminate this
information.
> If you have received this in error, please reply and notify the sender
> (only) and delete the message. Unauthorized interception of this e-mail 
is
a
> violation of federal criminal law.
>
>   This communication does not reflect an intention by the sender or the
> sender's client or principal to conduct a transaction or make any
agreement
> by electronic means.  Nothing contained in this message or in any
attachment
> shall satisfy the requirements for a writing, and nothing contained 
herein
> shall constitute a contract or electronic signature under the Electronic
> Signatures in Global and National Commerce Act, any version of the 
Uniform
> Electronic Transactions Act or any other statute governing electronic
> transactions.
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May  9 12:13:47 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 10:13:47 -0700
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F2B@infoserver01.infostat.local>

John,

You're doomed now! <VBG>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 9:01 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


Naw, it's more likely that people like Susan, Martin and Arthur all
write for these newsletters.  They are list members, and when they see a
good topic, they write an article.  Since an article can only be sold to
a single newsletter, they all get together and discuss who's gonna write
up the tip for which newsletter.  Susan sells to one, Martin to another,
Arthur to another.  Etc.

No law says they each can't write on the same SUBJECT but for a
different newsletter.

And if they didn't before, they will now.  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 12:49 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


I've often thought that too. I subscribe to a number of
newsletters/magazines and they do tend to have similar topics in them.
The Q&A/Tips sections often reflect items that have popped up on various
lists.

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz, 
> Charles
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:04 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
>
>
> Charlotte,
>
> More likely that the editors are lurkers on lists such as this.  When 
> they see an interesting topic come up on the lists, they each go and 
> commission an article from one of writers in their stables.  Thus, 
> several months later the mags have similar articles.  If my hypothesis

> is true, then we should see some articles on []. subqueries coming out

> in a few months.
>
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us




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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May  9 12:14:46 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 10:14:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Downgrading to ODE 2000
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F2C@infoserver01.infostat.local>

There's supposed to be one, but I haven't looked into it because I own
the 2000 ODE.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Whittinghill [mailto:mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 10:00 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Downgrading to ODE 2000


Does M$ have a downgrade option to get ODE 2000 if you have the XP
version? I looked on the site and can't figure out the legalese.

Thanks,

Mark Whittinghill
Symphony Information Services
612-333-1311
mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com

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From donald.a.Mcgillivray at mail.sprint.com  Fri May  9 12:18:57 2003
From: donald.a.Mcgillivray at mail.sprint.com (Mcgillivray, Donald [CC])
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 12:18:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Disabling Links in Excel
Message-ID: <6FC1C7A6E7BD5540AB0A8436713C43BF01D01B16@PKDWB01C.ad.sprint.com>

Hi, Oleg

Check to see if your spreadsheet has any named ranges that have
references to out-of-book sources.  Since you're severing the ties to
external sources, you should be able to safely delete such named ranges
AFTER doing the Copy/Paste Special/Values routine.

Hope this helps.

Don McGillivray

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:10 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] (OT) Disabling Links in Excel


Hi Oleg

Yes, I think that is what I thought of - however I'm not an Excel guru
and others may have better advice for you.

/gustav

> you mean cop/paste special-values ?
> I've done that; it get read of 4 links, but still keeps one. And there

> is still that "Would you like to refresh the lnik" message which 
> management doesn't like.

>> Hi Oleg
>>
>> If you use the workbook just for sending data with no need for 
>> formulas you can replace all formulas and links of the cells with the

>> calculated values.

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From Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK  Fri May  9 12:23:17 2003
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK (Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 18:23:17 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEDBDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEDBDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <1052500997.3ebbe405b050a@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

I just pluck ideas out of the air really or Susan tells me whats next on the 
list. But I try at times to find topics that are not generally discussed and 
may prove useful to developers. But end of day I write up what they pay for. 
We submit a long list and they pick the ones they want. Least I think thats 
how it goes. My editor in chief will let you know I am sure. Over to you boss!
(Susan)

Martin

Quoting John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:

> Naw, it's more likely that people like Susan, Martin and Arthur all
> write
> for these newsletters.  They are list members, and when they see a
> good
> topic, they write an article.  Since an article can only be sold to a
> single
> newsletter, they all get together and discuss who's gonna write up the
> tip
> for which newsletter.  Susan sells to one, Martin to another, Arthur
> to
> another.  Etc.
> 
> No law says they each can't write on the same SUBJECT but for a
> different
> newsletter.
> 
> And if they didn't before, they will now.  ;-)
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 12:49 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> 
> 
> I've often thought that too. I subscribe to a number of
> newsletters/magazines and they do tend to have similar topics in them.
> The
> Q&A/Tips sections often reflect items that have popped up on various
> lists.
> 
> JB
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz,
> Charles
> > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:04 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> >
> >
> > Charlotte,
> >
> > More likely that the editors are lurkers on lists such as this. 
> When
> > they see an interesting topic come up on the lists, they each go and
> > commission an article from one of writers in their stables.  Thus,
> > several months later the mags have similar articles.  If my
> hypothesis
> > is true, then we should see some articles on []. subqueries coming
> out
> > in a few months.
> >
> > Charles Wortz
> > Software Development Division
> > Texas Education Agency
> > 1701 N. Congress Ave
> > Austin, TX 78701-1494
> > 512-463-9493
> > CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 

From mikedorism at ntelos.net  Fri May  9 12:29:05 2003
From: mikedorism at ntelos.net (Mike and Doris Manning)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 13:29:05 -0400
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F2B@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <000e01c31650$813bcac0$bf330cd8@hargrove.internal>

LOL... I'll take the Fifth... Most of the article topics I've put forth to
Susan to pass on to the publisher for approval have been based on issues
I've had to slug my way through recently.

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 1:14 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


John,

You're doomed now! <VBG>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 9:01 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


Naw, it's more likely that people like Susan, Martin and Arthur all write
for these newsletters.  They are list members, and when they see a good
topic, they write an article.  Since an article can only be sold to a single
newsletter, they all get together and discuss who's gonna write up the tip
for which newsletter.  Susan sells to one, Martin to another, Arthur to
another.  Etc.

No law says they each can't write on the same SUBJECT but for a different
newsletter.

And if they didn't before, they will now.  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 12:49 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


I've often thought that too. I subscribe to a number of
newsletters/magazines and they do tend to have similar topics in them. The
Q&A/Tips sections often reflect items that have popped up on various lists.

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz,
> Charles
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:04 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
>
>
> Charlotte,
>
> More likely that the editors are lurkers on lists such as this.  When
> they see an interesting topic come up on the lists, they each go and 
> commission an article from one of writers in their stables.  Thus, 
> several months later the mags have similar articles.  If my hypothesis

> is true, then we should see some articles on []. subqueries coming out

> in a few months.
>
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us




_______________________________________________
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Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From john at winhaven.net  Fri May  9 12:42:59 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (The Cabal)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 12:42:59 -0500
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
In-Reply-To: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357D7@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJAEGKEFAA.john@winhaven.net>

You mean I've got even more people after me?!!?

Now I won't even be able to hide from the other people who are after me in
those geeky internet night clubs anymore??!

Oh-Oh, hackers just tried to get through my firewall and nnow I'm being hit
with a DOS attack - I don't know if this will get through or not.

Someone's at my door now.

No-no! I've paid my subsciption fees, I should be able to talk about these
thinngggsssss...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz, Charles
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 12:07 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
>
>
> John,
>
> Now that you have revealed the secrets of the cabal, they will have to
> deal with you! <grin>
>
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 12:01
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
>
> Naw, it's more likely that people like Susan, Martin and Arthur all
> write for these newsletters.  They are list members, and when they see a
> good topic, they write an article.  Since an article can only be sold to
> a single newsletter, they all get together and discuss who's gonna write
> up the tip for which newsletter.  Susan sells to one, Martin to another,
> Arthur to another.  Etc.
>
> No law says they each can't write on the same SUBJECT but for a
> different newsletter.
>
> And if they didn't before, they will now.  ;-)
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 12:49 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
>
>
> I've often thought that too. I subscribe to a number of
> newsletters/magazines and they do tend to have similar topics in them.
> The Q&A/Tips sections often reflect items that have popped up on various
> lists.
>
> JB
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz,
> > Charles
> > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:04 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> >
> >
> > Charlotte,
> >
> > More likely that the editors are lurkers on lists such as this.  When
> > they see an interesting topic come up on the lists, they each go and
> > commission an article from one of writers in their stables.  Thus,
> > several months later the mags have similar articles.  If my hypothesis
>
> > is true, then we should see some articles on []. subqueries coming out
>
> > in a few months.
> >
> > Charles Wortz
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May  9 12:48:44 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 13:48:44 -0400
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJAEGKEFAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEDEDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Pay up and I'll call off the dogs!

<grin>

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of The Cabal
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 1:43 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


You mean I've got even more people after me?!!?

Now I won't even be able to hide from the other people who are after me in
those geeky internet night clubs anymore??!

Oh-Oh, hackers just tried to get through my firewall and nnow I'm being hit
with a DOS attack - I don't know if this will get through or not.

Someone's at my door now.

No-no! I've paid my subsciption fees, I should be able to talk about these
thinngggsssss...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz, Charles
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 12:07 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
>
>
> John,
>
> Now that you have revealed the secrets of the cabal, they will have to
> deal with you! <grin>
>
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 12:01
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
>
> Naw, it's more likely that people like Susan, Martin and Arthur all
> write for these newsletters.  They are list members, and when they see a
> good topic, they write an article.  Since an article can only be sold to
> a single newsletter, they all get together and discuss who's gonna write
> up the tip for which newsletter.  Susan sells to one, Martin to another,
> Arthur to another.  Etc.
>
> No law says they each can't write on the same SUBJECT but for a
> different newsletter.
>
> And if they didn't before, they will now.  ;-)
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 12:49 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
>
>
> I've often thought that too. I subscribe to a number of
> newsletters/magazines and they do tend to have similar topics in them.
> The Q&A/Tips sections often reflect items that have popped up on various
> lists.
>
> JB
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz,
> > Charles
> > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:04 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> >
> >
> > Charlotte,
> >
> > More likely that the editors are lurkers on lists such as this.  When
> > they see an interesting topic come up on the lists, they each go and
> > commission an article from one of writers in their stables.  Thus,
> > several months later the mags have similar articles.  If my hypothesis
>
> > is true, then we should see some articles on []. subqueries coming out
>
> > in a few months.
> >
> > Charles Wortz
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


_______________________________________________
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http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com




From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Fri May  9 12:55:32 2003
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 13:55:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] How to compact using Access 2002
Message-ID: <001401c31654$2fda3780$a2c50a44@hr.cox.net>

I currently compact an Access 97 database using the following line of code in Macro Scheduler (scheduling software):

"C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office\MSACCESS.EXE" "C:\Access\Assist\DCPP_data.mdb" /compact

The code is not working at a site that is using Access 2002 ("Office" was changed to "Office10").  Any ideas on how to fix it??

Thanks,
Barb Ryan
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From john at winhaven.net  Fri May  9 12:53:00 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (The Cabal)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 12:53:00 -0500
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
In-Reply-To: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357D7@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIIEDAEHAA.john@winhaven.net>

unsubscribe AccessD John Bartow "the troublemaker"
unsubscribe DevAccess John Bartow "the troublemaker"
unsubscribe Access Unlimited John Bartow "the troublemaker"
unsubscribe Inside Microsoft Access John Bartow "the troublemaker"
unsubscribe LangaList John Bartow "the troublemaker"
unsubscribe Access Developer News John Bartow "the troublemaker"
unsubscribe AppTrix John Bartow "the troublemaker"
unsubscribe Smart Access eXTRA John Bartow "the troublemaker"
unsubscribe Woody's Access Watch John Bartow "the troublemaker"


Let this be a warning to you all.

The Newsletter Cabal


From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Fri May  9 12:58:25 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 12:58:25 -0500
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357D8@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Wrong John!  It's JC that revealed the secrets of the cabal.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: The Cabal [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 12:53
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


unsubscribe AccessD John Bartow "the troublemaker"
unsubscribe DevAccess John Bartow "the troublemaker" unsubscribe Access
Unlimited John Bartow "the troublemaker" unsubscribe Inside Microsoft
Access John Bartow "the troublemaker" unsubscribe LangaList John Bartow
"the troublemaker" unsubscribe Access Developer News John Bartow "the
troublemaker" unsubscribe AppTrix John Bartow "the troublemaker"
unsubscribe Smart Access eXTRA John Bartow "the troublemaker"
unsubscribe Woody's Access Watch John Bartow "the troublemaker"


Let this be a warning to you all.

The Newsletter Cabal

From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May  9 13:02:55 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 14:02:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] How to compact using Access 2002
In-Reply-To: <001401c31654$2fda3780$a2c50a44@hr.cox.net>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEDGDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

yes, change the path to access to access10

"C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office10\MSACCESS.EXE"
"C:\Access\Assist\DCPP_data.mdb" /compact
John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Barbara Ryan
  Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 1:56 PM
  To: Access List
  Subject: [AccessD] How to compact using Access 2002


  I currently compact an Access 97 database using the following line of code
in Macro Scheduler (scheduling software):

  "C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office\MSACCESS.EXE"
"C:\Access\Assist\DCPP_data.mdb" /compact

  The code is not working at a site that is using Access 2002 ("Office" was
changed to "Office10").  Any ideas on how to fix it??

  Thanks,
  Barb Ryan
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From jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com  Fri May  9 13:09:20 2003
From: jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com (jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 13:09:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How to compact using Access 2002
Message-ID: <OF7CDDD9CD.7118FA41-ON86256D21.00636FA8-86256D21.0063BB6D@nc.us.bank-dns.com>

Make sure that the Access 2002 exe file is in the location you are 
specifying. 

The other thing to double check would be the actual file name you are 
attempting to compact.




"Barbara Ryan" <BarbaraRyan at cox.net>
Sent by: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
05/09/2003 12:55 PM
Please respond to accessd

 
        To:     "Access List" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
        cc: 
        Subject:        [AccessD] How to compact using Access 2002


I currently compact an Access 97 database using the following line of code 
in Macro Scheduler (scheduling software):
 
"C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office\MSACCESS.EXE" "C:\Access\Assist\DCPP_data.mdb" /compact
 
The code is not working at a site that is using Access 2002 ("Office" was 
changed to "Office10").  Any ideas on how to fix it??
 
Thanks,
Barb Ryan_______________________________________________
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From harkins at iglou.com  Fri May  9 13:26:39 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 14:26:39 -0400
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEDBDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00c601c31658$e1601750$364afccc@SusanOne>

FWIW, I don't think anyone on this list can point to one of my articles and
say, "that's my solution and you stole it." :)

I learn lots on this list -- a ton -- always something new. Generally,
solutions don't write up well -- they are way too specific and customized.
Occasionally, I can turn one into a generic, more universal article. Most
likely, these solutions work their way into my own stuff -- making it better
and more efficient -- just like everyone else's. We pick stuff up, we forget
it, and then somewhere down the road, we're using it and we don't even
remember where we learned it -- except we figure it must've been this list.

When I want to write about a very specific solution, I contact the person
and make a deal. You will find many of my bylines have a co-author and many
of them are from this list.

Lots of brilliant people here but not everything works as an article. The
more specific a solution, the less appeal it has as an article. The solution
must be something that will be of interest to the average reader. For ever 5
"topic" I pitch, the publishers buy 1. :)

Susan H.



> Naw, it's more likely that people like Susan, Martin and Arthur all write
> for these newsletters.  They are list members, and when they see a good
> topic, they write an article.  Since an article can only be sold to a
single
> newsletter, they all get together and discuss who's gonna write up the tip
> for which newsletter.  Susan sells to one, Martin to another, Arthur to
> another.  Etc.
>
> No law says they each can't write on the same SUBJECT but for a different
> newsletter.
>
> And if they didn't before, they will now.  ;-)
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 12:49 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
>
>
> I've often thought that too. I subscribe to a number of
> newsletters/magazines and they do tend to have similar topics in them. The
> Q&A/Tips sections often reflect items that have popped up on various
lists.
>
> JB
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz, Charles
> > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:04 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> >
> >
> > Charlotte,
> >
> > More likely that the editors are lurkers on lists such as this.  When
> > they see an interesting topic come up on the lists, they each go and
> > commission an article from one of writers in their stables.  Thus,
> > several months later the mags have similar articles.  If my hypothesis
> > is true, then we should see some articles on []. subqueries coming out
> > in a few months.
> >
> > Charles Wortz
> > Software Development Division
> > Texas Education Agency
> > 1701 N. Congress Ave
> > Austin, TX 78701-1494
> > 512-463-9493
> > CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Fri May  9 13:41:05 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 14:41:05 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] SourceSafe and Access97 - again.
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA3033315B@ADGSERVER>

Hi all,

I posted on this a while back and got a few answers.  I followed the
suggestions about building from SS instead of "get latest."  But I am still
having problems.

Basically, I have this FE in SS.  When I do a "create database from
SourceSafe project", there are these 9 queries (out of several hundred) that
always are empty.  Get latest does not bring the data down.  Basically, I
have resorted to backing up the queries in another DB before doing a create
database from SS.  I then have to manually cut and paste the SQL from the
queries between the 2 databases.  A royal PIA!

Anyone have any suggestions as to why this may be happening?  It is the same
set of queries every time.  Any suggestions on how to fix this issue?

Thanks,
Bobby

From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May  9 13:42:02 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 14:42:02 -0400
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
In-Reply-To: <00c601c31658$e1601750$364afccc@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEDHDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Now Susan, no one was saying you were stealing solutions.  I was just joking
in fact, but from your reaction...

;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:27 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


FWIW, I don't think anyone on this list can point to one of my articles and
say, "that's my solution and you stole it." :)

I learn lots on this list -- a ton -- always something new. Generally,
solutions don't write up well -- they are way too specific and customized.
Occasionally, I can turn one into a generic, more universal article. Most
likely, these solutions work their way into my own stuff -- making it better
and more efficient -- just like everyone else's. We pick stuff up, we forget
it, and then somewhere down the road, we're using it and we don't even
remember where we learned it -- except we figure it must've been this list.

When I want to write about a very specific solution, I contact the person
and make a deal. You will find many of my bylines have a co-author and many
of them are from this list.

Lots of brilliant people here but not everything works as an article. The
more specific a solution, the less appeal it has as an article. The solution
must be something that will be of interest to the average reader. For ever 5
"topic" I pitch, the publishers buy 1. :)

Susan H.



> Naw, it's more likely that people like Susan, Martin and Arthur all write
> for these newsletters.  They are list members, and when they see a good
> topic, they write an article.  Since an article can only be sold to a
single
> newsletter, they all get together and discuss who's gonna write up the tip
> for which newsletter.  Susan sells to one, Martin to another, Arthur to
> another.  Etc.
>
> No law says they each can't write on the same SUBJECT but for a different
> newsletter.
>
> And if they didn't before, they will now.  ;-)
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 12:49 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
>
>
> I've often thought that too. I subscribe to a number of
> newsletters/magazines and they do tend to have similar topics in them. The
> Q&A/Tips sections often reflect items that have popped up on various
lists.
>
> JB
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz, Charles
> > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:04 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> >
> >
> > Charlotte,
> >
> > More likely that the editors are lurkers on lists such as this.  When
> > they see an interesting topic come up on the lists, they each go and
> > commission an article from one of writers in their stables.  Thus,
> > several months later the mags have similar articles.  If my hypothesis
> > is true, then we should see some articles on []. subqueries coming out
> > in a few months.
> >
> > Charles Wortz
> > Software Development Division
> > Texas Education Agency
> > 1701 N. Congress Ave
> > Austin, TX 78701-1494
> > 512-463-9493
> > CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>

_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com




From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Fri May  9 13:45:23 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 13:45:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SourceSafe and Access97 - again.
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357D9@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Bobby,

Is there anything in common about these 9 queries?  Such as do they all
have a table in common?  If you can determine what they all have in
common, then you can narrow down your search for the problem.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 13:41
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] SourceSafe and Access97 - again.

Hi all,

I posted on this a while back and got a few answers.  I followed the
suggestions about building from SS instead of "get latest."  But I am
still having problems.

Basically, I have this FE in SS.  When I do a "create database from
SourceSafe project", there are these 9 queries (out of several hundred)
that always are empty.  Get latest does not bring the data down.
Basically, I have resorted to backing up the queries in another DB
before doing a create database from SS.  I then have to manually cut and
paste the SQL from the queries between the 2 databases.  A royal PIA!

Anyone have any suggestions as to why this may be happening?  It is the
same set of queries every time.  Any suggestions on how to fix this
issue?

Thanks,
Bobby

From rmoore at comtechpst.com  Fri May  9 14:03:47 2003
From: rmoore at comtechpst.com (Ron Moore)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 15:03:47 -0400
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEDHDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <010b01c3165d$b93c4410$4814a8c0@Comtech.Comtechpst.com>

My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of dogs,
and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly though, I
agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think
concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and new
territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power programming'
approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever offer
(partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original posts).
I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
venerable list members.
Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!

Ron

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:42 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


Now Susan, no one was saying you were stealing solutions.  I was just joking
in fact, but from your reaction...

;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:27 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


FWIW, I don't think anyone on this list can point to one of my articles and
say, "that's my solution and you stole it." :)

I learn lots on this list -- a ton -- always something new. Generally,
solutions don't write up well -- they are way too specific and customized.
Occasionally, I can turn one into a generic, more universal article. Most
likely, these solutions work their way into my own stuff -- making it better
and more efficient -- just like everyone else's. We pick stuff up, we forget
it, and then somewhere down the road, we're using it and we don't even
remember where we learned it -- except we figure it must've been this list.

When I want to write about a very specific solution, I contact the person
and make a deal. You will find many of my bylines have a co-author and many
of them are from this list.

Lots of brilliant people here but not everything works as an article. The
more specific a solution, the less appeal it has as an article. The solution
must be something that will be of interest to the average reader. For ever 5
"topic" I pitch, the publishers buy 1. :)

Susan H.



> Naw, it's more likely that people like Susan, Martin and Arthur all write
> for these newsletters.  They are list members, and when they see a good
> topic, they write an article.  Since an article can only be sold to a
single
> newsletter, they all get together and discuss who's gonna write up the tip
> for which newsletter.  Susan sells to one, Martin to another, Arthur to
> another.  Etc.
>
> No law says they each can't write on the same SUBJECT but for a different
> newsletter.
>
> And if they didn't before, they will now.  ;-)
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 12:49 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
>
>
> I've often thought that too. I subscribe to a number of
> newsletters/magazines and they do tend to have similar topics in them. The
> Q&A/Tips sections often reflect items that have popped up on various
lists.
>
> JB
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz, Charles
> > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:04 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> >
> >
> > Charlotte,
> >
> > More likely that the editors are lurkers on lists such as this.  When
> > they see an interesting topic come up on the lists, they each go and
> > commission an article from one of writers in their stables.  Thus,
> > several months later the mags have similar articles.  If my hypothesis
> > is true, then we should see some articles on []. subqueries coming out
> > in a few months.
> >
> > Charles Wortz
> > Software Development Division
> > Texas Education Agency
> > 1701 N. Congress Ave
> > Austin, TX 78701-1494
> > 512-463-9493
> > CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>

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From chizotz at charter.net  Fri May  9 14:07:51 2003
From: chizotz at charter.net (Ron  Allen)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 15:07:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Read-Only Linked ODBC Table?
In-Reply-To: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA3033315B@ADGSERVER>
Message-ID: <web-768675@rems06.cluster1.charter.net>

Is it possible to use a linked table from a SQL Server 
2000 db in an Acc97 front end and make the linked table 
read only? Seems to me that should be pretty simple to do, 
but I can't seem to find any information on how to do it. 
I'm hoping I'm just missing something obvious.

Thanks,

Ron

From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Fri May  9 14:08:31 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 14:08:31 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Disabling Links in Excel
In-Reply-To: <6FC1C7A6E7BD5540AB0A8436713C43BF01D01B16@PKDWB01C.ad.sprint.com>
References: <6FC1C7A6E7BD5540AB0A8436713C43BF01D01B16@PKDWB01C.ad.sprint.com>
Message-ID: <45947.199.67.140.20.1052507311.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>

nop, doesn't work I've deleted all the named ranges but one link is still
left that I can't seem to get rid off

> Hi, Oleg
>
> Check to see if your spreadsheet has any named ranges that have
> references to out-of-book sources.  Since you're severing the ties to
> external sources, you should be able to safely delete such named ranges
> AFTER doing the Copy/Paste Special/Values routine.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Don McGillivray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:10 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] (OT) Disabling Links in Excel
>
>
> Hi Oleg
>
> Yes, I think that is what I thought of - however I'm not an Excel guru
> and others may have better advice for you.
>
> /gustav
>
>> you mean cop/paste special-values ?
>> I've done that; it get read of 4 links, but still keeps one. And there
>
>> is still that "Would you like to refresh the lnik" message which
>> management doesn't like.
>
>>> Hi Oleg
>>>
>>> If you use the workbook just for sending data with no need for
>>> formulas you can replace all formulas and links of the cells with the
>
>>> calculated values.
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May  9 14:13:46 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 12:13:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] SourceSafe and Access97 - again.
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F2D@infoserver01.infostat.local>

What do you mean by "always empty"?  You mean they don't get created in
the database or they don't work properly or what?    You might try
deleting those queries from the SS project entirely or at least renaming
them.  Then create a new database from source safe and add the queries
back as new objects, creating them from scratch.  If you delete the old
ones instead of renaming, then don't allow the project to recover the
old version, make it accept the new one.  See if that makes a
difference.   

Occasionally, a SS project becomes corrupt and the only thing you can do
is create a new project from a working version of the application that
is outside of source safe.  Unfortunately, you lose your history that
way, but that's better than the alternatives.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 10:41 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] SourceSafe and Access97 - again.


Hi all,

I posted on this a while back and got a few answers.  I followed the
suggestions about building from SS instead of "get latest."  But I am
still having problems.

Basically, I have this FE in SS.  When I do a "create database from
SourceSafe project", there are these 9 queries (out of several hundred)
that always are empty.  Get latest does not bring the data down.
Basically, I have resorted to backing up the queries in another DB
before doing a create database from SS.  I then have to manually cut and
paste the SQL from the queries between the 2 databases.  A royal PIA!

Anyone have any suggestions as to why this may be happening?  It is the
same set of queries every time.  Any suggestions on how to fix this
issue?

Thanks,
Bobby
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From delliker at hotmail.com  Fri May  9 14:13:44 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 15:13:44 -0400
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <Law12-F67TI5zzubChb0000be1f@hotmail.com>

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May  9 14:14:40 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 12:14:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Read-Only Linked ODBC Table?
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F2E@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Unless there is an index on the table it's going to be read only by
default.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Allen [mailto:chizotz at charter.net] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 11:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Read-Only Linked ODBC Table?


Is it possible to use a linked table from a SQL Server 
2000 db in an Acc97 front end and make the linked table 
read only? Seems to me that should be pretty simple to do, 
but I can't seem to find any information on how to do it. 
I'm hoping I'm just missing something obvious.

Thanks,

Ron
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May  9 14:20:20 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 15:20:20 -0400
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
In-Reply-To: <010b01c3165d$b93c4410$4814a8c0@Comtech.Comtechpst.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEDKDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Ron,

I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,
faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth be
known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy, I still
have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".

I remember my first job in Access.  I came from programming, but it wasn't
event driven.  I was sooooo lost.  I sold myself for well under 1/2 my
normal wage because the company was willing to let me read and learn what I
had to learn to do their database.  4 hours reading, 6-8 hours working, 6
days a week (the company's old db was dying a painful death).  This was 1994
and there was no (widely available) internet, in fact not even an Access
Users Group.  I was one of the founding members and board member of the San
Diego Access Users Group and loved having someplace I could go once a month
to talk about Access.  MAN, it was LONELY out there back then.

This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan, demented
cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well you get the
picture.  <ducking REAL low>

Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:04 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of dogs,
and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly though, I
agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think
concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and new
territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power programming'
approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever offer
(partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original posts).
I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
venerable list members.
Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!

Ron




From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Fri May  9 14:21:40 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 14:21:40 -0500
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357DA@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Cabals are not always satanic!  However, I do not know if that is true
of all members of this list. <grin>

Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 14:14
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery



I was gonna get cabal but I decided on satanlite instead
_d





"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." 
>From: "Wortz, Charles" 
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>To: 
>Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery 
>Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 12:58:25 -0500 
> 
>Wrong John! It's JC that revealed the secrets of the cabal. 
> 
>Charles Wortz 
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: The Cabal [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
>Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 12:53 
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line 
>subquery 
> 
> 
>unsubscribe AccessD John Bartow "the troublemaker" 
>unsubscribe DevAccess John Bartow "the troublemaker" unsubscribe Access

>Unlimited John Bartow "the troublemaker" unsubscribe Inside Microsoft 
>Access John Bartow "the troublemaker" unsubscribe LangaList John Bartow

>"the troublemaker" unsubscribe Access Developer News John Bartow "the 
>troublemaker" unsubscribe AppTrix John Bartow "the troublemaker" 
>unsubscribe Smart Access eXTRA John Bartow "the troublemaker" 
>unsubscribe Woody's Access Watch John Bartow "the troublemaker" 
> 
> 
>Let this be a warning to you all. 
> 
>The Newsletter Cabal 
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From Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK  Fri May  9 14:31:14 2003
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK (Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 20:31:14 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters:
In-Reply-To: <010b01c3165d$b93c4410$4814a8c0@Comtech.Comtechpst.com>
References: <010b01c3165d$b93c4410$4814a8c0@Comtech.Comtechpst.com>
Message-ID: <1052508674.3ebc0202cebe5@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

Feel free folks to throw any ideas for articles my way with appropriate 
examples. I aint proud. I got 6 kids to feed.

Martin
(VBG)


Quoting Ron Moore <rmoore at comtechpst.com>:

> My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of
> dogs,
> and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly though,
> I
> agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think
> concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and
> new
> territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power
> programming'
> approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever
> offer
> (partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original
> posts).
> I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
> venerable list members.
> Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!
> 
> Ron
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:42 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
> 
> 
> Now Susan, no one was saying you were stealing solutions.  I was just
> joking
> in fact, but from your reaction...
> 
> ;-)
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan
> Harkins
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:27 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
> 
> 
> FWIW, I don't think anyone on this list can point to one of my articles
> and
> say, "that's my solution and you stole it." :)
> 
> I learn lots on this list -- a ton -- always something new. Generally,
> solutions don't write up well -- they are way too specific and
> customized.
> Occasionally, I can turn one into a generic, more universal article.
> Most
> likely, these solutions work their way into my own stuff -- making it
> better
> and more efficient -- just like everyone else's. We pick stuff up, we
> forget
> it, and then somewhere down the road, we're using it and we don't even
> remember where we learned it -- except we figure it must've been this
> list.
> 
> When I want to write about a very specific solution, I contact the
> person
> and make a deal. You will find many of my bylines have a co-author and
> many
> of them are from this list.
> 
> Lots of brilliant people here but not everything works as an article.
> The
> more specific a solution, the less appeal it has as an article. The
> solution
> must be something that will be of interest to the average reader. For
> ever 5
> "topic" I pitch, the publishers buy 1. :)
> 
> Susan H.
> 
> 
> 
> > Naw, it's more likely that people like Susan, Martin and Arthur all
> write
> > for these newsletters.  They are list members, and when they see a
> good
> > topic, they write an article.  Since an article can only be sold to
> a
> single
> > newsletter, they all get together and discuss who's gonna write up the
> tip
> > for which newsletter.  Susan sells to one, Martin to another, Arthur
> to
> > another.  Etc.
> >
> > No law says they each can't write on the same SUBJECT but for a
> different
> > newsletter.
> >
> > And if they didn't before, they will now.  ;-)
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John
> Bartow
> > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 12:49 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> >
> >
> > I've often thought that too. I subscribe to a number of
> > newsletters/magazines and they do tend to have similar topics in them.
> The
> > Q&A/Tips sections often reflect items that have popped up on various
> lists.
> >
> > JB
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz,
> Charles
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:04 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> > >
> > >
> > > Charlotte,
> > >
> > > More likely that the editors are lurkers on lists such as this. 
> When
> > > they see an interesting topic come up on the lists, they each go
> and
> > > commission an article from one of writers in their stables.  Thus,
> > > several months later the mags have similar articles.  If my
> hypothesis
> > > is true, then we should see some articles on []. subqueries coming
> out
> > > in a few months.
> > >
> > > Charles Wortz
> > > Software Development Division
> > > Texas Education Agency
> > > 1701 N. Congress Ave
> > > Austin, TX 78701-1494
> > > 512-463-9493
> > > CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 
> 
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> 

From Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK  Fri May  9 14:38:59 2003
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK (Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 20:38:59 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEDKDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEDKDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <1052509139.3ebc03d352bae@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

Yip. When I came on tho this list (lot of years now) and had a long argument 
with JC I started to learn. Today I have two books published, numerous 
articles and I am currrently working for the Microsoft Office Team. None of 
this would have been possible without the likes of John Colby, William, Rocky, 
Arthur, Mike Gunderloy and the other great developers on this list. Not 
forgetting Susuan Harkins. The other day I got an email that was addressed to 
myself and three others. I sat and looked at it but for this list and the 
ideas, arguments and teaching that has taken place I would not be here at all.

But outside of that its the friends I have made here that mean more than 
anything else.

I have to name John Colby and Susan. Two people who give freely of their time 
and expertise to others. Susan in particular has opened so many doors for me 
in the Database world. Arthur Fuller as well who I think does more of list 
than he does on.

Martin

Quoting John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:

> Ron,
> 
> I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,
> faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth
> be
> known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy, I
> still
> have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".
> 
> I remember my first job in Access.  I came from programming, but it
> wasn't
> event driven.  I was sooooo lost.  I sold myself for well under 1/2 my
> normal wage because the company was willing to let me read and learn
> what I
> had to learn to do their database.  4 hours reading, 6-8 hours working,
> 6
> days a week (the company's old db was dying a painful death).  This was
> 1994
> and there was no (widely available) internet, in fact not even an
> Access
> Users Group.  I was one of the founding members and board member of the
> San
> Diego Access Users Group and loved having someplace I could go once a
> month
> to talk about Access.  MAN, it was LONELY out there back then.
> 
> This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan,
> demented
> cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well you get
> the
> picture.  <ducking REAL low>
> 
> Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:04 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
> 
> 
> My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of
> dogs,
> and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly though,
> I
> agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think
> concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and
> new
> territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power
> programming'
> approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever
> offer
> (partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original
> posts).
> I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
> venerable list members.
> Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!
> 
> Ron
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 

From harkins at iglou.com  Fri May  9 14:28:36 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 15:28:36 -0400
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEDHDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <014701c31662$e8553450$364afccc@SusanOne>

I just reacted matter of factly and answered the questions I'm sure many
have wondered about. It's a touchy subject, but I'm not offended by it. Best
things are out in the open than have people wonder in silence. :)

It isn't in my best interest to alienate anyone. What works in a sharing
process -- one that encourages people to share more topics with me and gives
me a wider variety of topics with which to keep my publishers calling again.
It works well for me and I think it works well for the co-authors -- at
least they're not complaining. :) I know it works well for the publishers
and readers.

It's a business. In any business, you shold treat people fairly because 1.)
It's the right thing to do and 2.) It makes for better more productive
business.

There's nothing wrong with this topic and I certainly am not offended by
it -- and I don't understand what you mean about my reaction. I just
responded with the truth from my side of things. If you were expecting
Rabbit to kick your a*s -- she doesn't work this list... :)

Susan H.


> Now Susan, no one was saying you were stealing solutions.  I was just
joking
> in fact, but from your reaction...



From harkins at iglou.com  Fri May  9 14:42:10 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 15:42:10 -0400
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEDKDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <015801c31663$1f8aa860$364afccc@SusanOne>

Kindly Grandmothers like Susan, 

==========I can see I really should've kicked your a*s. :) 

Rabbit


From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Fri May  9 14:44:49 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 15:44:49 -0400
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEDKDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <002001c31663$73d5f140$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

...jest 'cause I think you rite lik 'n ms injuneer ain't not no reasun to go
a'callin' me names, eh! :)

William Hindman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:20 PM
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


> Ron,
>
> I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,
> faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth be
> known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy, I
still
> have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".
>
> I remember my first job in Access.  I came from programming, but it wasn't
> event driven.  I was sooooo lost.  I sold myself for well under 1/2 my
> normal wage because the company was willing to let me read and learn what
I
> had to learn to do their database.  4 hours reading, 6-8 hours working, 6
> days a week (the company's old db was dying a painful death).  This was
1994
> and there was no (widely available) internet, in fact not even an Access
> Users Group.  I was one of the founding members and board member of the
San
> Diego Access Users Group and loved having someplace I could go once a
month
> to talk about Access.  MAN, it was LONELY out there back then.
>
> This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan,
demented
> cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well you get the
> picture.  <ducking REAL low>
>
> Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:04 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
>
>
> My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of
dogs,
> and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly though, I
> agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think
> concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and new
> territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power programming'
> approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever
offer
> (partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original
posts).
> I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
> venerable list members.
> Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From delliker at hotmail.com  Fri May  9 14:55:32 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 15:55:32 -0400
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <Law12-F11285c9HZTa90000b672@hotmail.com>

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From PBudge at cbsol.com  Fri May  9 15:02:14 2003
From: PBudge at cbsol.com (PBudge at cbsol.com)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 15:02:14 -0500
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <OF353BC528.F0F039E1-ON86256D21.006DA31D@cbsol.com>


He said DEMENTED, not DENSE!!!!  ;-))))))))))))))))))))))

Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions


                                                                                                                                               
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...jest 'cause I think you rite lik 'n ms injuneer ain't not no reasun to
go
a'callin' me names, eh! :)

William Hindman
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:20 PM
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


> Ron,
>
> I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,
> faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth be
> known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy, I
still
> have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".
>
> I remember my first job in Access.  I came from programming, but it
wasn't
> event driven.  I was sooooo lost.  I sold myself for well under 1/2 my
> normal wage because the company was willing to let me read and learn what
I
> had to learn to do their database.  4 hours reading, 6-8 hours working, 6
> days a week (the company's old db was dying a painful death).  This was
1994
> and there was no (widely available) internet, in fact not even an Access
> Users Group.  I was one of the founding members and board member of the
San
> Diego Access Users Group and loved having someplace I could go once a
month
> to talk about Access.  MAN, it was LONELY out there back then.
>
> This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan,
demented
> cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well you get the
> picture.  <ducking REAL low>
>
> Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:04 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
>
>
> My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of
dogs,
> and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly though, I
> agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think
> concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and new
> territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power
programming'
> approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever
offer
> (partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original
posts).
> I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
> venerable list members.
> Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com






From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Fri May  9 15:03:11 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 15:03:11 -0500
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357DB@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

_d,

I'm not part of this writers' cabal!  I may have other faults, but that
is not one of them! <grin>


Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 14:56
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery
Importance: Low


that's what all you satanic cabalists say! And it goes a long way
towards explaining some of the occurances in my dbs (just to keep it on
topic)
_d
"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." 
>From: "Wortz, Charles" 
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>To: 
>Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery 
>Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 14:21:40 -0500 
> 
>Cabals are not always satanic! However, I do not know if that is true 
>of all members of this list. 
> 
>Charles Wortz 

>-----Original Message----- 
>From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
>Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 14:14 
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line 
>subquery 
> 
> 
> 
>I was gonna get cabal but I decided on satanlite instead 
>_d 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." 
> >From: "Wortz, Charles" 
> >Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> >To: 
> >Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line 
>subquery 
> >Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 12:58:25 -0500 
> > 
> >Wrong John! It's JC that revealed the secrets of the cabal. 
> > 
> >Charles Wortz 

From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri May  9 15:05:02 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 13:05:02 -0700
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
References: <010b01c3165d$b93c4410$4814a8c0@Comtech.Comtechpst.com>
Message-ID: <01b801c31666$46b83b20$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Oh yeah, that reminds me, at the last Access Users Group of San Diego, I did
a coop presentation with two other folks about deploying run-times.  As part
of it I showed how to generate error handlers for every module - something
you need in a run time deployment - not mine of course, but John Colby's.
Put his name and web site up on the white board, of course.

John - hope you got some action from that!

I try to do a quickie presentation at the AUGSD meeting every month called
Coder's Corner - a coding tip of some kind.  And I always preface my tip by
saying that it's not my work.  Someone else showed me this and it's
generally from AccessD.  (I always tout AccessD every time I do a Coder's
Corner).

So I guess I second Martin - the list has made my business.  Just this week,
I got a couple of questions answered.

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Moore" <rmoore at comtechpst.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 12:03 PM
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


> My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of
dogs,
> and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly though, I
> agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think
> concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and new
> territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power programming'
> approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever
offer
> (partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original
posts).
> I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
> venerable list members.
> Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!
>
> Ron
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:42 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
>
>
> Now Susan, no one was saying you were stealing solutions.  I was just
joking
> in fact, but from your reaction...
>
> ;-)
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:27 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
>
>
> FWIW, I don't think anyone on this list can point to one of my articles
and
> say, "that's my solution and you stole it." :)
>
> I learn lots on this list -- a ton -- always something new. Generally,
> solutions don't write up well -- they are way too specific and customized.
> Occasionally, I can turn one into a generic, more universal article. Most
> likely, these solutions work their way into my own stuff -- making it
better
> and more efficient -- just like everyone else's. We pick stuff up, we
forget
> it, and then somewhere down the road, we're using it and we don't even
> remember where we learned it -- except we figure it must've been this
list.
>
> When I want to write about a very specific solution, I contact the person
> and make a deal. You will find many of my bylines have a co-author and
many
> of them are from this list.
>
> Lots of brilliant people here but not everything works as an article. The
> more specific a solution, the less appeal it has as an article. The
solution
> must be something that will be of interest to the average reader. For ever
5
> "topic" I pitch, the publishers buy 1. :)
>
> Susan H.
>
>
>
> > Naw, it's more likely that people like Susan, Martin and Arthur all
write
> > for these newsletters.  They are list members, and when they see a good
> > topic, they write an article.  Since an article can only be sold to a
> single
> > newsletter, they all get together and discuss who's gonna write up the
tip
> > for which newsletter.  Susan sells to one, Martin to another, Arthur to
> > another.  Etc.
> >
> > No law says they each can't write on the same SUBJECT but for a
different
> > newsletter.
> >
> > And if they didn't before, they will now.  ;-)
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 12:49 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> >
> >
> > I've often thought that too. I subscribe to a number of
> > newsletters/magazines and they do tend to have similar topics in them.
The
> > Q&A/Tips sections often reflect items that have popped up on various
> lists.
> >
> > JB
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz,
Charles
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:04 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> > >
> > >
> > > Charlotte,
> > >
> > > More likely that the editors are lurkers on lists such as this.  When
> > > they see an interesting topic come up on the lists, they each go and
> > > commission an article from one of writers in their stables.  Thus,
> > > several months later the mags have similar articles.  If my hypothesis
> > > is true, then we should see some articles on []. subqueries coming out
> > > in a few months.
> > >
> > > Charles Wortz
> > > Software Development Division
> > > Texas Education Agency
> > > 1701 N. Congress Ave
> > > Austin, TX 78701-1494
> > > 512-463-9493
> > > CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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>



From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Fri May  9 15:07:44 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 15:07:44 -0500
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357DC@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Pamela,

Do you know for a fact that William is not both? <grin>

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: PBudge at cbsol.com [mailto:PBudge at cbsol.com] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 15:02
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery
Importance: Low



He said DEMENTED, not DENSE!!!!  ;-))))))))))))))))))))))

Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions


 

                      "William Hindman"

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...jest 'cause I think you rite lik 'n ms injuneer ain't not no reasun
to go a'callin' me names, eh! :)

William Hindman
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:20 PM
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


> Ron,
>
> I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,

> faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth 
> be known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy,

> I
still
> have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".
>
<snip big chunk of his sad story>
</snip>
> This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan,
demented
> cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well you get 
> the picture.  <ducking REAL low>
>
> Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com

From DMcAfee at haascnc.com  Fri May  9 15:29:19 2003
From: DMcAfee at haascnc.com (David McAfee)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 13:29:19 -0700 
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subque
	ry
Message-ID: <657FB70438B7D311AF320090279C1801026D7A15@EXCHMAIL>

Crazy uncles like John :P

D

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby
<snip>
This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan, demented
cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well you get the
picture.  <ducking REAL low>
<snip>

From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May  9 15:24:29 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 13:24:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters:
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F2F@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Ye gawds!  With 6 kids, how did you ever find time to write anything??
<VBG>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
[mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 11:31 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters:


Feel free folks to throw any ideas for articles my way with appropriate 
examples. I aint proud. I got 6 kids to feed.

Martin
(VBG)


Quoting Ron Moore <rmoore at comtechpst.com>:

> My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of

> dogs,
> and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly
though,
> I
> agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think

> concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and 
> new territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power
> programming'
> approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever
> offer
> (partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original
> posts).
> I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
> venerable list members.
> Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!
> 
> Ron
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:42 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line 
> subquery
> 
> 
> Now Susan, no one was saying you were stealing solutions.  I was just 
> joking in fact, but from your reaction...
> 
> ;-)
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan 
> Harkins
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:27 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line 
> subquery
> 
> 
> FWIW, I don't think anyone on this list can point to one of my 
> articles and say, "that's my solution and you stole it." :)
> 
> I learn lots on this list -- a ton -- always something new. Generally,

> solutions don't write up well -- they are way too specific and 
> customized. Occasionally, I can turn one into a generic, more 
> universal article. Most
> likely, these solutions work their way into my own stuff -- making it
> better
> and more efficient -- just like everyone else's. We pick stuff up, we
> forget
> it, and then somewhere down the road, we're using it and we don't even
> remember where we learned it -- except we figure it must've been this
> list.
> 
> When I want to write about a very specific solution, I contact the 
> person and make a deal. You will find many of my bylines have a 
> co-author and many
> of them are from this list.
> 
> Lots of brilliant people here but not everything works as an article. 
> The more specific a solution, the less appeal it has as an article. 
> The solution
> must be something that will be of interest to the average reader. For
> ever 5
> "topic" I pitch, the publishers buy 1. :)
> 
> Susan H.
> 
> 
> 
> > Naw, it's more likely that people like Susan, Martin and Arthur all
> write
> > for these newsletters.  They are list members, and when they see a
> good
> > topic, they write an article.  Since an article can only be sold to
> a
> single
> > newsletter, they all get together and discuss who's gonna write up 
> > the
> tip
> > for which newsletter.  Susan sells to one, Martin to another, Arthur
> to
> > another.  Etc.
> >
> > No law says they each can't write on the same SUBJECT but for a
> different
> > newsletter.
> >
> > And if they didn't before, they will now.  ;-)
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John
> Bartow
> > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 12:49 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> >
> >
> > I've often thought that too. I subscribe to a number of 
> > newsletters/magazines and they do tend to have similar topics in 
> > them.
> The
> > Q&A/Tips sections often reflect items that have popped up on various
> lists.
> >
> > JB
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz,
> Charles
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:04 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> > >
> > >
> > > Charlotte,
> > >
> > > More likely that the editors are lurkers on lists such as this.
> When
> > > they see an interesting topic come up on the lists, they each go
> and
> > > commission an article from one of writers in their stables.  Thus,

> > > several months later the mags have similar articles.  If my
> hypothesis
> > > is true, then we should see some articles on []. subqueries coming
> out
> > > in a few months.
> > >
> > > Charles Wortz
> > > Software Development Division
> > > Texas Education Agency
> > > 1701 N. Congress Ave
> > > Austin, TX 78701-1494
> > > 512-463-9493
> > > CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> 
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> 
> 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May  9 15:25:05 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 13:25:05 -0700
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F30@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Are you talking to me?

666

-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 11:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


Cabals are not always satanic!  However, I do not know if that is true
of all members of this list. <grin>
Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 14:14
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


I was gonna get cabal but I decided on satanlite instead
_d





"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." 
>From: "Wortz, Charles" 
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>To: 
>Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery 
>Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 12:58:25 -0500 
> 
>Wrong John! It's JC that revealed the secrets of the cabal. 
> 
>Charles Wortz 
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: The Cabal [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
>Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 12:53 
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line 
>subquery 
> 
> 
>unsubscribe AccessD John Bartow "the troublemaker" 
>unsubscribe DevAccess John Bartow "the troublemaker" unsubscribe Access

>Unlimited John Bartow "the troublemaker" unsubscribe Inside Microsoft 
>Access John Bartow "the troublemaker" unsubscribe LangaList John Bartow

>"the troublemaker" unsubscribe Access Developer News John Bartow "the 
>troublemaker" unsubscribe AppTrix John Bartow "the troublemaker" 
>unsubscribe Smart Access eXTRA John Bartow "the troublemaker" 
>unsubscribe Woody's Access Watch John Bartow "the troublemaker" 
> 
> 
>Let this be a warning to you all. 
> 
>The Newsletter Cabal 

From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May  9 15:25:25 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 13:25:25 -0700
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F31@infoserver01.infostat.local>

ROTFL
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
	Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 11:14 AM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL
in-line subquery
	
	

	I was gonna get cabal but I decided on satanlite instead
	_d
	




	"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for
them." 
	
	>From: "Wortz, Charles" 
	>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
	>To: 
	>Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL
in-line subquery 
	>Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 12:58:25 -0500 
	> 
	>Wrong John! It's JC that revealed the secrets of the cabal. 
	> 
	>Charles Wortz 
	>Software Development Division 
	>Texas Education Agency 
	>1701 N. Congress Ave 
	>Austin, TX 78701-1494 
	>512-463-9493 
	>CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
	> 
	> 
	> 
	>-----Original Message----- 
	>From: The Cabal [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
	>Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 12:53 
	>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
	>Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL
in-line 
	>subquery 
	> 
	> 
	>unsubscribe AccessD John Bartow "the troublemaker" 
	>unsubscribe DevAccess John Bartow "the troublemaker"
unsubscribe Access 
	>Unlimited John Bartow "the troublemaker" unsubscribe Inside
Microsoft 
	>Access John Bartow "the troublemaker" unsubscribe LangaList
John Bartow 
	>"the troublemaker" unsubscribe Access Developer News John
Bartow "the 
	>troublemaker" unsubscribe AppTrix John Bartow "the
troublemaker" 
	>unsubscribe Smart Access eXTRA John Bartow "the troublemaker" 
	>unsubscribe Woody's Access Watch John Bartow "the troublemaker"

	> 
	> 
	>Let this be a warning to you all. 
	> 
	>The Newsletter Cabal 
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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Fri May  9 15:31:54 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 15:31:54 -0500
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357DE@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

If the shoe fits, wear it. <VBG>

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 15:25
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery
Importance: Low


Are you talking to me?

666

-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 11:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


Cabals are not always satanic!  However, I do not know if that is true
of all members of this list. <grin> 
Charles Wortz 
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 14:14
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


I was gonna get cabal but I decided on satanlite instead
_d





"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." 
>From: "Wortz, Charles"
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>To: 
>Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery 
>Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 12:58:25 -0500
> 
>Wrong John! It's JC that revealed the secrets of the cabal.
> 
>Charles Wortz
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: The Cabal [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
>Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 12:53 
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line 
>subquery 
> 
> 
>unsubscribe AccessD John Bartow "the troublemaker"
>unsubscribe DevAccess John Bartow "the troublemaker" unsubscribe Access

>Unlimited John Bartow "the troublemaker" unsubscribe Inside Microsoft
>Access John Bartow "the troublemaker" unsubscribe LangaList John Bartow

>"the troublemaker" unsubscribe Access Developer News John Bartow "the
>troublemaker" unsubscribe AppTrix John Bartow "the troublemaker" 
>unsubscribe Smart Access eXTRA John Bartow "the troublemaker" 
>unsubscribe Woody's Access Watch John Bartow "the troublemaker" 
> 
> 
>Let this be a warning to you all.
> 
>The Newsletter Cabal

From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Fri May  9 15:36:09 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 16:36:09 -0400
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
References: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357DC@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <002a01c3166a$9f8b8050$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

...its ok Charles ...we all know you and JC co-wrote the A2k/XP Help Files
:))))

William Hindman ...take that!!!!!! :))))))

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wortz, Charles" <CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:07 PM
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


> Pamela,
>
> Do you know for a fact that William is not both? <grin>
>
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PBudge at cbsol.com [mailto:PBudge at cbsol.com]
> Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 15:02
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
> Importance: Low
>
>
>
> He said DEMENTED, not DENSE!!!!  ;-))))))))))))))))))))))
>
> Pamela G. Budge
> PBudge at cbsol.com
> Creative Business Solutions
>
>
>
>
>                       "William Hindman"
>
>                       <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>        To:
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
>                       Sent by:                         cc:
>
>                       accessd-bounces at databasea        Subject:  Re:
> Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
>
>                       dvisors.com
>
>
>
>
>
>                       05/09/2003 02:44 PM
>
>                       Please respond to accessd
>
>
>
>
> ...jest 'cause I think you rite lik 'n ms injuneer ain't not no reasun
> to go a'callin' me names, eh! :)
>
> William Hindman
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:20 PM
> Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
>
>
> > Ron,
> >
> > I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,
>
> > faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth
> > be known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy,
>
> > I
> still
> > have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".
> >
> <snip big chunk of his sad story>
> </snip>
> > This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan,
> demented
> > cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well you get
> > the picture.  <ducking REAL low>
> >
> > Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From rmoore at comtechpst.com  Fri May  9 15:37:03 2003
From: rmoore at comtechpst.com (Ron Moore)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 16:37:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
In-Reply-To: <1052509139.3ebc03d352bae@hosea.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <012201c3166a$c05f95a0$4814a8c0@Comtech.Comtechpst.com>

Martin,  hasn't everyone who came on this list had a long argument with JC?
Are you saying we only begin to learn after we've had said long argument?


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Yip. When I came on tho this list (lot of years now) and had a long argument
with JC I started to learn. Today I have two books published, numerous
articles and I am currrently working for the Microsoft Office Team. None of
this would have been possible without the likes of John Colby, William,
Rocky,
Arthur, Mike Gunderloy and the other great developers on this list. Not
forgetting Susuan Harkins. The other day I got an email that was addressed
to
myself and three others. I sat and looked at it but for this list and the
ideas, arguments and teaching that has taken place I would not be here at
all.

But outside of that its the friends I have made here that mean more than
anything else.

I have to name John Colby and Susan. Two people who give freely of their
time
and expertise to others. Susan in particular has opened so many doors for me
in the Database world. Arthur Fuller as well who I think does more of list
than he does on.

Martin

Quoting John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:

> Ron,
>
> I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,
> faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth
> be
> known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy, I
> still
> have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".
>
> I remember my first job in Access.  I came from programming, but it
> wasn't
> event driven.  I was sooooo lost.  I sold myself for well under 1/2 my
> normal wage because the company was willing to let me read and learn
> what I
> had to learn to do their database.  4 hours reading, 6-8 hours working,
> 6
> days a week (the company's old db was dying a painful death).  This was
> 1994
> and there was no (widely available) internet, in fact not even an
> Access
> Users Group.  I was one of the founding members and board member of the
> San
> Diego Access Users Group and loved having someplace I could go once a
> month
> to talk about Access.  MAN, it was LONELY out there back then.
>
> This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan,
> demented
> cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well you get
> the
> picture.  <ducking REAL low>
>
> Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:04 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
>
>
> My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of
> dogs,
> and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly though,
> I
> agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think
> concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and
> new
> territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power
> programming'
> approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever
> offer
> (partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original
> posts).
> I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
> venerable list members.
> Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From Paul.Millard at freight.fedex.com  Fri May  9 15:45:04 2003
From: Paul.Millard at freight.fedex.com (Millard, Paul --- Sr. Developer Analyst ---WGO)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 13:45:04 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ORA-00937: not a single-group group function
Message-ID: <0F9AF20DCECA7A44B075FCA26ECE3E6F06AAF8@pe2kdc1.fxfwest.freight.fedex.com>


Folks,

I'm receiving the error above when doing this query. I'm trying to count and sum a few fields (with filter on account level and fb_no) while putting the total (filtered to account level) in another field in the same sql query using a subquery.  

Here is a sample output.
Filtered = 30 records
All (unfiltered) 100 records

Bills, Wt, LbClass, WtdClass, TotalBills
30, .., .., .., 100

Can anyone please help!
Thanks,
Paul Millard



select distinct
Count(Distinct t1.mai_fb_no) Bills,
Sum(t2.mai_fb_item_weight) Wt,
Sum(t2.mai_fb_item_weight*t3.dw_freight_class_id) LbClass,
Sum(t2.mai_fb_item_weight*t3.dw_freight_class_id)/Sum(t2.mai_fb_item_weight) WtdClass,
/*begin subquery*/
(select 
Count(t1.mai_fb_no) Bills
from
mai_shipment t1,
dw_customer t4,
dw_date t5
where
t1.mai_shipper_key=t4.dw_cust_key and
t1.mai_dl_date_key=t5.dw_date_key and
t4.dw_cust_old_number='SNM2904SFR' and
t5.dw_day_date between to_date('2003-03-04 00:00:00', 'YYYY-MM-DD HH24:MI:SS') and 
to_date('2003-03-04 00:00:00', 'YYYY-MM-DD HH24:MI:SS')) As TotalBills
/*end subquery*/
from
mai_shipment t1,
mai_shipment_item t2,
dw_freight_class t3,
dw_customer t4,
dw_date t5
where
t1.mai_fb_no=t2.mai_fb_no and
t1.mai_fb_suf=t2.mai_fb_suf and
t2.mai_freight_class_key=t3.dw_freight_class_key and
t1.mai_shipper_key=t4.dw_cust_key and
t1.mai_dl_date_key=t5.dw_date_key and
t2.mai_fb_item_weight>0 and
t3.dw_freight_class_id Is Not Null and
t1.mai_fb_no In('747938850', '936046135') and
t5.dw_day_date between to_date('2003-03-04 00:00:00', 'YYYY-MM-DD HH24:MI:SS') and 
to_date('2003-03-04 00:00:00', 'YYYY-MM-DD HH24:MI:SS')

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 1:25 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


Are you talking to me?

666

-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 11:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


Cabals are not always satanic!  However, I do not know if that is true
of all members of this list. <grin>
Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 14:14
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


I was gonna get cabal but I decided on satanlite instead
_d





"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." 
>From: "Wortz, Charles" 
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>To: 
>Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery 
>Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 12:58:25 -0500 
> 
>Wrong John! It's JC that revealed the secrets of the cabal. 
> 
>Charles Wortz 
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: The Cabal [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
>Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 12:53 
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line 
>subquery 
> 
> 
>unsubscribe AccessD John Bartow "the troublemaker" 
>unsubscribe DevAccess John Bartow "the troublemaker" unsubscribe Access

>Unlimited John Bartow "the troublemaker" unsubscribe Inside Microsoft 
>Access John Bartow "the troublemaker" unsubscribe LangaList John Bartow

>"the troublemaker" unsubscribe Access Developer News John Bartow "the 
>troublemaker" unsubscribe AppTrix John Bartow "the troublemaker" 
>unsubscribe Smart Access eXTRA John Bartow "the troublemaker" 
>unsubscribe Woody's Access Watch John Bartow "the troublemaker" 
> 
> 
>Let this be a warning to you all. 
> 
>The Newsletter Cabal 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May  9 15:47:36 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 13:47:36 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F32@infoserver01.infostat.local>



-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Moore [mailto:rmoore at comtechpst.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 12:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Martin,  hasn't everyone who came on this list had a long argument with
JC? Are you saying we only begin to learn after we've had said long
argument?


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Yip. When I came on tho this list (lot of years now) and had a long
argument with JC I started to learn. Today I have two books published,
numerous articles and I am currrently working for the Microsoft Office
Team. None of this would have been possible without the likes of John
Colby, William, Rocky, Arthur, Mike Gunderloy and the other great
developers on this list. Not forgetting Susuan Harkins. The other day I
got an email that was addressed to myself and three others. I sat and
looked at it but for this list and the ideas, arguments and teaching
that has taken place I would not be here at all.

But outside of that its the friends I have made here that mean more than
anything else.

I have to name John Colby and Susan. Two people who give freely of their
time and expertise to others. Susan in particular has opened so many
doors for me in the Database world. Arthur Fuller as well who I think
does more of list than he does on.

Martin

Quoting John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:

> Ron,
>
> I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,

> faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth 
> be known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy,

> I still
> have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".
>
> I remember my first job in Access.  I came from programming, but it 
> wasn't event driven.  I was sooooo lost.  I sold myself for well under

> 1/2 my normal wage because the company was willing to let me read and 
> learn what I
> had to learn to do their database.  4 hours reading, 6-8 hours
working,
> 6
> days a week (the company's old db was dying a painful death).  This
was
> 1994
> and there was no (widely available) internet, in fact not even an
> Access
> Users Group.  I was one of the founding members and board member of
the
> San
> Diego Access Users Group and loved having someplace I could go once a
> month
> to talk about Access.  MAN, it was LONELY out there back then.
>
> This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan, 
> demented cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well 
> you get the
> picture.  <ducking REAL low>
>
> Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:04 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line 
> subquery
>
>
> My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of

> dogs,
> and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly
though,
> I
> agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think

> concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and 
> new territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power
> programming'
> approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever
> offer
> (partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original
> posts).
> I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
> venerable list members.
> Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Fri May  9 15:48:14 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 16:48:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
References: <012201c3166a$c05f95a0$4814a8c0@Comtech.Comtechpst.com>
Message-ID: <003c01c3166c$4ff76c00$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

...AccessD rite of passage ...until you've been on the wrong end of of a JC
rant, you can't really belong :)

...years back, a raw newbie to AccessD, I dared to mention that I did my
j-i-t subforms just a bit differently ...two weeks later and a masters
degree in Access intricacies later, we called a truce out of sheer
exhaustion ...not ours of course but everyone else on the list ...but I did
buy his JIT sample and used it from then on :)))

William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Moore" <rmoore at comtechpst.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:37 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


> Martin,  hasn't everyone who came on this list had a long argument with
JC?
> Are you saying we only begin to learn after we've had said long argument?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:39 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
>
>
> Yip. When I came on tho this list (lot of years now) and had a long
argument
> with JC I started to learn. Today I have two books published, numerous
> articles and I am currrently working for the Microsoft Office Team. None
of
> this would have been possible without the likes of John Colby, William,
> Rocky,
> Arthur, Mike Gunderloy and the other great developers on this list. Not
> forgetting Susuan Harkins. The other day I got an email that was addressed
> to
> myself and three others. I sat and looked at it but for this list and the
> ideas, arguments and teaching that has taken place I would not be here at
> all.
>
> But outside of that its the friends I have made here that mean more than
> anything else.
>
> I have to name John Colby and Susan. Two people who give freely of their
> time
> and expertise to others. Susan in particular has opened so many doors for
me
> in the Database world. Arthur Fuller as well who I think does more of list
> than he does on.
>
> Martin
>
> Quoting John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
>
> > Ron,
> >
> > I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,
> > faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth
> > be
> > known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy, I
> > still
> > have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".
> >
> > I remember my first job in Access.  I came from programming, but it
> > wasn't
> > event driven.  I was sooooo lost.  I sold myself for well under 1/2 my
> > normal wage because the company was willing to let me read and learn
> > what I
> > had to learn to do their database.  4 hours reading, 6-8 hours working,
> > 6
> > days a week (the company's old db was dying a painful death).  This was
> > 1994
> > and there was no (widely available) internet, in fact not even an
> > Access
> > Users Group.  I was one of the founding members and board member of the
> > San
> > Diego Access Users Group and loved having someplace I could go once a
> > month
> > to talk about Access.  MAN, it was LONELY out there back then.
> >
> > This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan,
> > demented
> > cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well you get
> > the
> > picture.  <ducking REAL low>
> >
> > Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
> > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:04 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> > subquery
> >
> >
> > My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of
> > dogs,
> > and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly though,
> > I
> > agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think
> > concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and
> > new
> > territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power
> > programming'
> > approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever
> > offer
> > (partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original
> > posts).
> > I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
> > venerable list members.
> > Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!
> >
> > Ron
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From PBudge at cbsol.com  Fri May  9 15:55:46 2003
From: PBudge at cbsol.com (PBudge at cbsol.com)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 15:55:46 -0500
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <OF836FEF83.9334A248-ON86256D21.00728EC7@cbsol.com>


Actually, *I* would have said that William has a skull of the approximate
thickness of the walls at Fort Knox, but then I've had a lot of, uh,
"conversations" on a lot of topics with him!  But, I think a strong case
could be made for demented!!!!

 ;-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))


Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions


                                                                                                                                               
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Pamela,

Do you know for a fact that William is not both? <grin>

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: PBudge at cbsol.com [mailto:PBudge at cbsol.com]
Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 15:02
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery
Importance: Low



He said DEMENTED, not DENSE!!!!  ;-))))))))))))))))))))))

Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions




                      "William Hindman"

                      <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>        To:
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

                      Sent by:                         cc:

                      accessd-bounces at databasea        Subject:  Re:
Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery

                      dvisors.com





                      05/09/2003 02:44 PM

                      Please respond to accessd




...jest 'cause I think you rite lik 'n ms injuneer ain't not no reasun
to go a'callin' me names, eh! :)

William Hindman
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:20 PM
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


> Ron,
>
> I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,

> faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth
> be known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy,

> I
still
> have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".
>
<snip big chunk of his sad story>
</snip>
> This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan,
demented
> cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well you get
> the picture.  <ducking REAL low>
>
> Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
_______________________________________________
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http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com






From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Fri May  9 15:53:20 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 15:53:20 -0500
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F87803@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Sorry William,

I do not claim to be smart enough to know how to hide every possible way
a mere human can think of to try to look up something in the help files.
I would probably have overlooked some logical path into the help files,
and thus they would be somewhat helpful.  <grin>  Nor do I think that JC
could have done it either.  <VBG> They clearly are the handiwork of a
satanic cult, if not of Satan himself!

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 15:36
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery
Importance: Low


...its ok Charles ...we all know you and JC co-wrote the A2k/XP Help
Files
:))))

William Hindman ...take that!!!!!! :))))))

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wortz, Charles" <CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:07 PM
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


> Pamela,
>
> Do you know for a fact that William is not both? <grin>
>
> Charles Wortz
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PBudge at cbsol.com [mailto:PBudge at cbsol.com]
> Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 15:02
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line 
> subquery
> Importance: Low
>
>
>
> He said DEMENTED, not DENSE!!!!  ;-))))))))))))))))))))))
>
> Pamela G. Budge
> PBudge at cbsol.com
> Creative Business Solutions
>
>
>
>
>                       "William Hindman"
>
>                       <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>        To:
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
>                       Sent by:                         cc:
>
>                       accessd-bounces at databasea        Subject:  Re:
> Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
>
>                       dvisors.com
>
>
>
>
>
>                       05/09/2003 02:44 PM
>
>                       Please respond to accessd
>
>
>
>
> ...jest 'cause I think you rite lik 'n ms injuneer ain't not no reasun

> to go a'callin' me names, eh! :)
>
> William Hindman

From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Fri May  9 15:58:09 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 16:58:09 -0400
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
References: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F87803@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <006601c3166d$b220b480$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

"They clearly are the handiwork of a satanic cult, if not of Satan himself!"
Charles

...like I said :))))))))))

William Hindman ...btw, it IS Friday isn't it?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wortz, Charles" <CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:53 PM
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


> Sorry William,
>
> I do not claim to be smart enough to know how to hide every possible way
> a mere human can think of to try to look up something in the help files.
> I would probably have overlooked some logical path into the help files,
> and thus they would be somewhat helpful.  <grin>  Nor do I think that JC
> could have done it either.  <VBG> They clearly are the handiwork of a
> satanic cult, if not of Satan himself!
>
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 15:36
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
> Importance: Low
>
>
> ...its ok Charles ...we all know you and JC co-wrote the A2k/XP Help
> Files
> :))))
>
> William Hindman ...take that!!!!!! :))))))
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Wortz, Charles" <CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:07 PM
> Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
>
>
> > Pamela,
> >
> > Do you know for a fact that William is not both? <grin>
> >
> > Charles Wortz
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: PBudge at cbsol.com [mailto:PBudge at cbsol.com]
> > Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 15:02
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: Re: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> > subquery
> > Importance: Low
> >
> >
> >
> > He said DEMENTED, not DENSE!!!!  ;-))))))))))))))))))))))
> >
> > Pamela G. Budge
> > PBudge at cbsol.com
> > Creative Business Solutions
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >                       "William Hindman"
> >
> >                       <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>        To:
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >
> >                       Sent by:                         cc:
> >
> >                       accessd-bounces at databasea        Subject:  Re:
> > Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> >
> >                       dvisors.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >                       05/09/2003 02:44 PM
> >
> >                       Please respond to accessd
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ...jest 'cause I think you rite lik 'n ms injuneer ain't not no reasun
>
> > to go a'callin' me names, eh! :)
> >
> > William Hindman
> _______________________________________________
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri May  9 16:02:33 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 14:02:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Normalization
In-Reply-To: <00cd01c31624$b0b261a0$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFOEBKCIAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Arthur:

What do you think of MS Viso as a design tools?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:16 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization


Great concept, a normalization tool!

"Yo, dumbass, these columns should be a related table, click OK to overrule
yo dumbass design, foo!" :-)

AFAIK no one has built it yet.

I'm a big fan of database-design tools such as Erwin, PowerDesigner and (my
fave lately) DeZign, which costs 1/10 of the price of the aforementioned and
delivers almost all their functionality. Said tools can inhale a db and turn
it into a model and let you remodel it and then exhale a db to a list of
targets, automatically converting data types etc. You can inhale Access and
exhale MySQL if that's what you want, or Oracle or DB2 or MS-SQL or Sybase.

When I work on a new project, I spend a lot of time in DeZign before writing
a line of code. When I work on an existing project, first thing I do is
import it into DeZign. It vaguely resembles the Access Relationships window
but offers many more benefits, most notably Domains.

(I own no shares in this company; I'm just a satisfied user.)

Back to your question. If the db Admins have not granted her sufficient
privs to export definitions then there is no simple way around it. She is
asking either for hacker tools or for increased privs.

Secondly, why export table definitions to Excel? Why not simple ascii files
that you can run in QA to rebuild structures?

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gale Perez
Sent: May 8, 2003 6:46 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access Normalization


Hello!

I haven't posted for quite a while (have been working
in Oracle, am now doing project management and working
on some Access tracking DBs).  It's nice to be back
and see familiar names :)

Is there a way to export Access table definitions into
Excel or into a normalization tool (we're using
Brackets)?  I'm asking on someone else's behalf and
she has tried Export but gets the message that she
doesn't have permissions (it's not a secured
database).  Can you access the data dictionary with
SQL statements?

Thank you for any assistance,
Gale


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From PBudge at cbsol.com  Fri May  9 16:06:11 2003
From: PBudge at cbsol.com (PBudge at cbsol.com)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 16:06:11 -0500
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <OF77BB3DF0.6617F8E3-ON86256D21.0073E3FD@cbsol.com>


Now THAT is a LOW blow!  ;-)))))))))))))))))))


Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions


                                                                                                                                               
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...its ok Charles ...we all know you and JC co-wrote the A2k/XP Help Files
:))))

William Hindman ...take that!!!!!! :))))))

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wortz, Charles" <CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:07 PM
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


> Pamela,
>
> Do you know for a fact that William is not both? <grin>
>
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PBudge at cbsol.com [mailto:PBudge at cbsol.com]
> Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 15:02
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
> Importance: Low
>
>
>
> He said DEMENTED, not DENSE!!!!  ;-))))))))))))))))))))))
>
> Pamela G. Budge
> PBudge at cbsol.com
> Creative Business Solutions
>
>
>
>
>                       "William Hindman"
>
>                       <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>        To:
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
>                       Sent by:                         cc:
>
>                       accessd-bounces at databasea        Subject:  Re:
> Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
>
>                       dvisors.com
>
>
>
>
>
>                       05/09/2003 02:44 PM
>
>                       Please respond to accessd
>
>
>
>
> ...jest 'cause I think you rite lik 'n ms injuneer ain't not no reasun
> to go a'callin' me names, eh! :)
>
> William Hindman
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:20 PM
> Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
>
>
> > Ron,
> >
> > I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,
>
> > faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth
> > be known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy,
>
> > I
> still
> > have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".
> >
> <snip big chunk of his sad story>
> </snip>
> > This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan,
> demented
> > cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well you get
> > the picture.  <ducking REAL low>
> >
> > Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
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From Paul.Millard at freight.fedex.com  Fri May  9 16:06:47 2003
From: Paul.Millard at freight.fedex.com (Millard, Paul --- Sr. Developer Analyst ---WGO)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 14:06:47 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ORA-00937: not a single-group group function...SOLVED
Message-ID: <0F9AF20DCECA7A44B075FCA26ECE3E6F06AAF9@pe2kdc1.fxfwest.freight.fedex.com>

Figured out my problem....need to wrap aggregate function around the subquery such as:

Min((select 
Count(t1.mai_fb_no) Bills
from
mai_shipment t1,
dw_customer t4,
dw_date t5
where
t1.mai_shipper_key=t4.dw_cust_key and
t1.mai_dl_date_key=t5.dw_date_key and
t4.dw_cust_old_number='SNM2904SFR' and
t5.dw_day_date between to_date('2003-03-04 00:00:00', 'YYYY-MM-DD HH24:MI:SS') and 
to_date('2003-03-04 00:00:00', 'YYYY-MM-DD HH24:MI:SS'))) Total Bills



-----Original Message-----
From: Millard, Paul --- Sr. Developer Analyst ---WGO 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 1:45 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] ORA-00937: not a single-group group function



Folks,

I'm receiving the error above when doing this query. I'm trying to count and sum a few fields (with filter on account level and fb_no) while putting the total (filtered to account level) in another field in the same sql query using a subquery.  

Here is a sample output.
Filtered = 30 records
All (unfiltered) 100 records

Bills, Wt, LbClass, WtdClass, TotalBills
30, .., .., .., 100

Can anyone please help!
Thanks,
Paul Millard



select distinct
Count(Distinct t1.mai_fb_no) Bills,
Sum(t2.mai_fb_item_weight) Wt,
Sum(t2.mai_fb_item_weight*t3.dw_freight_class_id) LbClass,
Sum(t2.mai_fb_item_weight*t3.dw_freight_class_id)/Sum(t2.mai_fb_item_weight) WtdClass,
/*begin subquery*/
(select 
Count(t1.mai_fb_no) Bills
from
mai_shipment t1,
dw_customer t4,
dw_date t5
where
t1.mai_shipper_key=t4.dw_cust_key and
t1.mai_dl_date_key=t5.dw_date_key and
t4.dw_cust_old_number='SNM2904SFR' and
t5.dw_day_date between to_date('2003-03-04 00:00:00', 'YYYY-MM-DD HH24:MI:SS') and 
to_date('2003-03-04 00:00:00', 'YYYY-MM-DD HH24:MI:SS')) As TotalBills
/*end subquery*/
from
mai_shipment t1,
mai_shipment_item t2,
dw_freight_class t3,
dw_customer t4,
dw_date t5
where
t1.mai_fb_no=t2.mai_fb_no and
t1.mai_fb_suf=t2.mai_fb_suf and
t2.mai_freight_class_key=t3.dw_freight_class_key and
t1.mai_shipper_key=t4.dw_cust_key and
t1.mai_dl_date_key=t5.dw_date_key and
t2.mai_fb_item_weight>0 and
t3.dw_freight_class_id Is Not Null and
t1.mai_fb_no In('747938850', '936046135') and
t5.dw_day_date between to_date('2003-03-04 00:00:00', 'YYYY-MM-DD HH24:MI:SS') and 
to_date('2003-03-04 00:00:00', 'YYYY-MM-DD HH24:MI:SS')

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 1:25 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


Are you talking to me?

666

-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 11:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


Cabals are not always satanic!  However, I do not know if that is true
of all members of this list. <grin>
Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 14:14
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


I was gonna get cabal but I decided on satanlite instead
_d





"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." 
>From: "Wortz, Charles" 
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>To: 
>Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery 
>Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 12:58:25 -0500 
> 
>Wrong John! It's JC that revealed the secrets of the cabal. 
> 
>Charles Wortz 
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: The Cabal [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
>Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 12:53 
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line 
>subquery 
> 
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Fri May  9 16:08:29 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 17:08:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
References: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFOEBKCIAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <007801c3166f$23d6b380$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

Jim...anyone

...I'm just now really getting into Visio ...has anyone here integrated it
with Access in an application?
...my intent is to use it as the primary user interface with a tradeshow
booth booking app and I'm looking for anyone who's done something similar.

William Hindman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:02 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization


> Hi Arthur:
>
> What do you think of MS Viso as a design tools?
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:16 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization
>
>
> Great concept, a normalization tool!
>
> "Yo, dumbass, these columns should be a related table, click OK to
overrule
> yo dumbass design, foo!" :-)
>
> AFAIK no one has built it yet.
>
> I'm a big fan of database-design tools such as Erwin, PowerDesigner and
(my
> fave lately) DeZign, which costs 1/10 of the price of the aforementioned
and
> delivers almost all their functionality. Said tools can inhale a db and
turn
> it into a model and let you remodel it and then exhale a db to a list of
> targets, automatically converting data types etc. You can inhale Access
and
> exhale MySQL if that's what you want, or Oracle or DB2 or MS-SQL or
Sybase.
>
> When I work on a new project, I spend a lot of time in DeZign before
writing
> a line of code. When I work on an existing project, first thing I do is
> import it into DeZign. It vaguely resembles the Access Relationships
window
> but offers many more benefits, most notably Domains.
>
> (I own no shares in this company; I'm just a satisfied user.)
>
> Back to your question. If the db Admins have not granted her sufficient
> privs to export definitions then there is no simple way around it. She is
> asking either for hacker tools or for increased privs.
>
> Secondly, why export table definitions to Excel? Why not simple ascii
files
> that you can run in QA to rebuild structures?
>
> Arthur
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gale Perez
> Sent: May 8, 2003 6:46 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Access Normalization
>
>
> Hello!
>
> I haven't posted for quite a while (have been working
> in Oracle, am now doing project management and working
> on some Access tracking DBs).  It's nice to be back
> and see familiar names :)
>
> Is there a way to export Access table definitions into
> Excel or into a normalization tool (we're using
> Brackets)?  I'm asking on someone else's behalf and
> she has tried Export but gets the message that she
> doesn't have permissions (it's not a secured
> database).  Can you access the data dictionary with
> SQL statements?
>
> Thank you for any assistance,
> Gale
>
>
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From harkins at iglou.com  Fri May  9 16:15:10 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 17:15:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
References: <012201c3166a$c05f95a0$4814a8c0@Comtech.Comtechpst.com>
	<003c01c3166c$4ff76c00$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>
Message-ID: <021601c31670$3858ae70$364afccc@SusanOne>

Ok, what the he*l is a jit subform?

Susan H.


> ...AccessD rite of passage ...until you've been on the wrong end of of a
JC
> rant, you can't really belong :)
>
> ...years back, a raw newbie to AccessD, I dared to mention that I did my
> j-i-t subforms just a bit differently ...two weeks later and a masters
> degree in Access intricacies later, we called a truce out of sheer
> exhaustion ...not ours of course but everyone else on the list ...but I
did
> buy his JIT sample and used it from then on :)))
>



From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  9 16:23:30 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 16:23:30 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B30@main2.marlow.com>

Pure VB codes almost exactly the same as VBA.  The syntax is identical,
there are just a few minor changes in functions (such as AddressOf is a
default ability in VB, and Eval is only available in VBA).
 
As far as the NT Service OCX, let me explain....
 
A service is something that runs on your machine whether you are logged onto
it or not.  (Once Windows has loaded it's device driver's, etc., then it
starts the services).  In 9x, services are just a registry entry
(HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunService) (That may be
RunAsService...don't remember, and it's not on NT machines, which is what I
am using now...)  Any program can be placed there in the registry, and it is
run by windows as soon as it comes up....regardless of whether a desktop is
loaded or not.
 
Now, an NT service is similar, however, it's not a normal registry entry.
Services is part of the Administrative control panel.  (Control Panel -->
Administrative Tools).  That lists every service running on your machine.
>From that panel, you can start and stop services, you can set whether they
can interact with the desktop, or what NT account is used to run the service
as.  Pretty flexible.  However, to 'build' an NT service, requires callback
capability, since the system has to 'holler' at the service to start or
stop, etc.  The NT service OCX (ActiveX control) provides that callback
capability to VB.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
[mailto:SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:46 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT


Hi drew - this is an mdb - the basic process it performs is to log on to an
external system, read in some data, manipulate that data and export it out
to an external txt file.
 
I have done it in vba only because I do not know pure vb (and don't own it).
There's no requirement to change it as it does the job - just need it
automated. They are running Windows NT. You lost me on the NT service OCX.
What is that?
 
Rgds
Kath

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Drew Wutka <mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com>  
To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com  <mailto:'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com '>
' 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:25 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT

What are you trying to run.  Is it just a data routine, or is it running
reports?  If it's just a data routine, I personally recommend using the NT
service OCX, which allows a VB .exe to run as an NT service.  Much easier to
deal with, shows up in the list of services, the ocx has an easy method to
dump information in the event viewer, etc.

Running reports can be done this way too, but it needs to use Automation.  

>From what I understand, VB.Net has the NT Service capability built in.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com <mailto:AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> 
Sent: 5/8/03 10:08 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT

Have any of you had much experience with scheduling applications to run
(ie. mdb files) using the AT command?
 
I am trying to get a job to run overnight for a client using the
following syntax:
 
at 14:26 /interactive /Every:M,T,W,Th,F cmd /c D:\Prices\Priceload.bat
 
where the files Priceload.bat contains the following:
  _____  

@ECHO OFF
REM Daily Price File Load
TITLE GBST PRICE LOAD
 
M:
cd \Price
echo ENTER PRICE FOLDER
ntsleep 2 > nul
 
Call Price.mdb

  _____  

 
I then get the message 'M:\Price\Price.mdb file not found'.
 
Because it is real PITN to keep mucking around with this syntax in DOS,
I am also having a play with some shareware(?) the client had called
WINAT. It seems good, but when I use it at my client site to edit the
paremeters of the AT command, extra characters appear at the end of the
command, so I am not sure whether the command will work or not.
Characters are things like pipes and @symbols. 
 
So my question for anyone using AT is: do you have any tips to share?
What is the most reliable way you have found to schedule an mdb to run?
 
TIA
Kath
 
 
Kath Pelletti
Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
Ph: 9505-6714
Fax: 9505-6430
SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au <mailto:SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au>  <
mailto:SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au <mailto:SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au> > 
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Fri May  9 16:26:09 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 17:26:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
References: 	<012201c3166a$c05f95a0$4814a8c0@Comtech.Comtechpst.com><003c01c3166c$4ff76c00$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>
	<021601c31670$3858ae70$364afccc@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <008c01c31671$9b8f9660$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

...just-in-time record source setting for tabbed subforms ...by not filling
the subs until they are viewed, the main form loads much more quickly ...HTH
:)

William Hindman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Harkins" <harkins at iglou.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


> Ok, what the he*l is a jit subform?
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> > ...AccessD rite of passage ...until you've been on the wrong end of of a
> JC
> > rant, you can't really belong :)
> >
> > ...years back, a raw newbie to AccessD, I dared to mention that I did my
> > j-i-t subforms just a bit differently ...two weeks later and a masters
> > degree in Access intricacies later, we called a truce out of sheer
> > exhaustion ...not ours of course but everyone else on the list ...but I
> did
> > buy his JIT sample and used it from then on :)))
> >
>
>
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From sgsax at ksu.edu  Fri May  9 16:31:39 2003
From: sgsax at ksu.edu (Seth Galitzer)
Date: 09 May 2003 16:31:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] JIT subforms - was: Subjects in Newsletters
In-Reply-To: <021601c31670$3858ae70$364afccc@SusanOne>
References: <012201c3166a$c05f95a0$4814a8c0@Comtech.Comtechpst.com>
	<003c01c3166c$4ff76c00$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop> 
	<021601c31670$3858ae70$364afccc@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <1052515900.7106.5.camel@sgsax-th4022c>

Sumthin ye'd hafta be an idjit not to use.

:)

Had to chime in on a Friday...

The real answer is Just In Time.  In this context it's used for the case
where you have multiple subforms, ie on multiple pages of a tab
control.  If you left them bound all the time, the form could take a
long time to load up, depending on the number of subforms and the numer
of records each needs to display.  By implementing JIT, you load the
recordsource for a subform only when that subform is visible, "just in
time" for the user to see it.  The subforms are still bound, only you
specify what they are bound to only when necessary.

Happy Friday, all!

Seth

On Fri, 2003-05-09 at 16:15, Susan Harkins wrote:
> Ok, what the he*l is a jit subform?
> 
> Susan H.
> 
> 
> > ...AccessD rite of passage ...until you've been on the wrong end of of a
> JC
> > rant, you can't really belong :)
> >
> > ...years back, a raw newbie to AccessD, I dared to mention that I did my
> > j-i-t subforms just a bit differently ...two weeks later and a masters
> > degree in Access intricacies later, we called a truce out of sheer
> > exhaustion ...not ours of course but everyone else on the list ...but I
> did
> > buy his JIT sample and used it from then on :)))
> >
> 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri May  9 16:32:41 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 14:32:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
In-Reply-To: <007801c3166f$23d6b380$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFOEBMCIAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

William:

Not I, but I have used it on a MS SQL a few times, it finds the schema,
displays the structure and fields, I make a few changes, upload and
amazingly the DB and data is still there after all is said and done. Works
like the BackEnd Upgrader (BEU) from Bryan Carbonnell, Reuben Cummings and
Andy Lacey but for SQL.

I didn't know it could be used as a FE user interface... I would like to
hear more.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:08 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization


Jim...anyone

...I'm just now really getting into Visio ...has anyone here integrated it
with Access in an application?
...my intent is to use it as the primary user interface with a tradeshow
booth booking app and I'm looking for anyone who's done something similar.

William Hindman
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:02 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization


> Hi Arthur:
>
> What do you think of MS Viso as a design tools?
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:16 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization
>
>
> Great concept, a normalization tool!
>
> "Yo, dumbass, these columns should be a related table, click OK to
overrule
> yo dumbass design, foo!" :-)
>
> AFAIK no one has built it yet.
>
> I'm a big fan of database-design tools such as Erwin, PowerDesigner and
(my
> fave lately) DeZign, which costs 1/10 of the price of the aforementioned
and
> delivers almost all their functionality. Said tools can inhale a db and
turn
> it into a model and let you remodel it and then exhale a db to a list of
> targets, automatically converting data types etc. You can inhale Access
and
> exhale MySQL if that's what you want, or Oracle or DB2 or MS-SQL or
Sybase.
>
> When I work on a new project, I spend a lot of time in DeZign before
writing
> a line of code. When I work on an existing project, first thing I do is
> import it into DeZign. It vaguely resembles the Access Relationships
window
> but offers many more benefits, most notably Domains.
>
> (I own no shares in this company; I'm just a satisfied user.)
>
> Back to your question. If the db Admins have not granted her sufficient
> privs to export definitions then there is no simple way around it. She is
> asking either for hacker tools or for increased privs.
>
> Secondly, why export table definitions to Excel? Why not simple ascii
files
> that you can run in QA to rebuild structures?
>
> Arthur
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gale Perez
> Sent: May 8, 2003 6:46 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Access Normalization
>
>
> Hello!
>
> I haven't posted for quite a while (have been working
> in Oracle, am now doing project management and working
> on some Access tracking DBs).  It's nice to be back
> and see familiar names :)
>
> Is there a way to export Access table definitions into
> Excel or into a normalization tool (we're using
> Brackets)?  I'm asking on someone else's behalf and
> she has tried Export but gets the message that she
> doesn't have permissions (it's not a secured
> database).  Can you access the data dictionary with
> SQL statements?
>
> Thank you for any assistance,
> Gale
>
>
> __________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com
> _______________________________________________
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri May  9 16:48:41 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 14:48:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Anyone using  the Excel-L list?
References: <007d01c31626$225e2770$4814a8c0@Comtech.Comtechpst.com>
Message-ID: <3EBC2239.9030408@shaw.ca>

Check the archives at
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/excel-l.html
on right hand pane there is subscription info

Ron Moore wrote:

>Mark, I have used this list for some time.  Very active - 4 posts so far
>today.
>
>Ron
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MarkH
>Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:11 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] OT - Anyone using the Excel-L list?
>
>
>Hi All
>
>Sorry for the OT post. I subscribed to the Excel-L list a couple of
>wekes ago (saw it mentioned in someone else post) and have so far seen
>not a single email. I have checkec my subscription options and it looks
>fine. Is it just a very quiet list?
>
>Cheers
>
>Mark
>
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>  
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From scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com  Fri May  9 16:54:02 2003
From: scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com (Steve Capistrant)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 16:54:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
In-Reply-To: <007801c3166f$23d6b380$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>
Message-ID: <MJEFLPNLACJJDBCHNLAGKEPPCCAA.scapistrant@symphonyinfo.com>

I love Visio.  Not so much for the design stage (its faster to mock up in
Access), but to publish the data model to customers.  You can export your
Access data model to Visio really easily and then arrange the tables using
as much real estate as you want.  Then bring your file to Kinko's and have
them print a 2'x3' poster of your data model.  The power users within the
customer's organization are in heaven (assuming you provide them with some
method of being exposed to the data for custom querying and reporting.).

Steve Capistrant
scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com
Phone: 612-333-1311
Symphony Information Services
www.symphonyinfo.com
212 3rd Ave N, Ste 404
Minneapolis, MN 55401


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:08 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization


Jim...anyone

...I'm just now really getting into Visio ...has anyone here integrated it
with Access in an application?
...my intent is to use it as the primary user interface with a tradeshow
booth booking app and I'm looking for anyone who's done something similar.

William Hindman
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:02 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization


> Hi Arthur:
>
> What do you think of MS Viso as a design tools?
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:16 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization
>
>
> Great concept, a normalization tool!
>
> "Yo, dumbass, these columns should be a related table, click OK to
overrule
> yo dumbass design, foo!" :-)
>
> AFAIK no one has built it yet.
>
> I'm a big fan of database-design tools such as Erwin, PowerDesigner and
(my
> fave lately) DeZign, which costs 1/10 of the price of the aforementioned
and
> delivers almost all their functionality. Said tools can inhale a db and
turn
> it into a model and let you remodel it and then exhale a db to a list of
> targets, automatically converting data types etc. You can inhale Access
and
> exhale MySQL if that's what you want, or Oracle or DB2 or MS-SQL or
Sybase.
>
> When I work on a new project, I spend a lot of time in DeZign before
writing
> a line of code. When I work on an existing project, first thing I do is
> import it into DeZign. It vaguely resembles the Access Relationships
window
> but offers many more benefits, most notably Domains.
>
> (I own no shares in this company; I'm just a satisfied user.)
>
> Back to your question. If the db Admins have not granted her sufficient
> privs to export definitions then there is no simple way around it. She is
> asking either for hacker tools or for increased privs.
>
> Secondly, why export table definitions to Excel? Why not simple ascii
files
> that you can run in QA to rebuild structures?
>
> Arthur
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gale Perez
> Sent: May 8, 2003 6:46 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Access Normalization
>
>
> Hello!
>
> I haven't posted for quite a while (have been working
> in Oracle, am now doing project management and working
> on some Access tracking DBs).  It's nice to be back
> and see familiar names :)
>
> Is there a way to export Access table definitions into
> Excel or into a normalization tool (we're using
> Brackets)?  I'm asking on someone else's behalf and
> she has tried Export but gets the message that she
> doesn't have permissions (it's not a secured
> database).  Can you access the data dictionary with
> SQL statements?
>
> Thank you for any assistance,
> Gale
>
>
> __________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May  9 16:54:53 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 14:54:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F33@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I've maintained network data using Visio in the past, if that applies.
Be careful about numeric values though because unless you do a lot of
careful tweaking to your Visio FE shapes' properties, you'll wind up
with doubles in the BE, whether that's what you wanted or not.  As you
might expect, doubles aren't terribly useful for MAC addresses, etc..
<G>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 1:33 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization


William:

Not I, but I have used it on a MS SQL a few times, it finds the schema,
displays the structure and fields, I make a few changes, upload and
amazingly the DB and data is still there after all is said and done.
Works like the BackEnd Upgrader (BEU) from Bryan Carbonnell, Reuben
Cummings and Andy Lacey but for SQL.

I didn't know it could be used as a FE user interface... I would like to
hear more.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:08 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization


Jim...anyone

...I'm just now really getting into Visio ...has anyone here integrated
it with Access in an application? ...my intent is to use it as the
primary user interface with a tradeshow booth booking app and I'm
looking for anyone who's done something similar.

William Hindman
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:02 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization


> Hi Arthur:
>
> What do you think of MS Viso as a design tools?
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur 
> Fuller
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:16 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization
>
>
> Great concept, a normalization tool!
>
> "Yo, dumbass, these columns should be a related table, click OK to
overrule
> yo dumbass design, foo!" :-)
>
> AFAIK no one has built it yet.
>
> I'm a big fan of database-design tools such as Erwin, PowerDesigner 
> and
(my
> fave lately) DeZign, which costs 1/10 of the price of the 
> aforementioned
and
> delivers almost all their functionality. Said tools can inhale a db 
> and
turn
> it into a model and let you remodel it and then exhale a db to a list 
> of targets, automatically converting data types etc. You can inhale 
> Access
and
> exhale MySQL if that's what you want, or Oracle or DB2 or MS-SQL or
Sybase.
>
> When I work on a new project, I spend a lot of time in DeZign before
writing
> a line of code. When I work on an existing project, first thing I do 
> is import it into DeZign. It vaguely resembles the Access 
> Relationships
window
> but offers many more benefits, most notably Domains.
>
> (I own no shares in this company; I'm just a satisfied user.)
>
> Back to your question. If the db Admins have not granted her 
> sufficient privs to export definitions then there is no simple way 
> around it. She is asking either for hacker tools or for increased 
> privs.
>
> Secondly, why export table definitions to Excel? Why not simple ascii
files
> that you can run in QA to rebuild structures?
>
> Arthur
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gale Perez
> Sent: May 8, 2003 6:46 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Access Normalization
>
>
> Hello!
>
> I haven't posted for quite a while (have been working
> in Oracle, am now doing project management and working
> on some Access tracking DBs).  It's nice to be back
> and see familiar names :)
>
> Is there a way to export Access table definitions into
> Excel or into a normalization tool (we're using
> Brackets)?  I'm asking on someone else's behalf and
> she has tried Export but gets the message that she
> doesn't have permissions (it's not a secured
> database).  Can you access the data dictionary with
> SQL statements?
>
> Thank you for any assistance,
> Gale
>
>
> __________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com

> _______________________________________________
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May  9 16:56:37 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 14:56:37 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F34@infoserver01.infostat.local>

It's a secret we've been keeping from you, Susan.  You have to be older
before we explain it.  <VBG>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 1:15 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Ok, what the he*l is a jit subform?

Susan H.


> ...AccessD rite of passage ...until you've been on the wrong end of of

> a
JC
> rant, you can't really belong :)
>
> ...years back, a raw newbie to AccessD, I dared to mention that I did 
> my j-i-t subforms just a bit differently ...two weeks later and a 
> masters degree in Access intricacies later, we called a truce out of 
> sheer exhaustion ...not ours of course but everyone else on the list 
> ...but I
did
> buy his JIT sample and used it from then on :)))
>


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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Fri May  9 16:54:45 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 07:24:45 +0930
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A047@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

Sorry guys I was away yesterday.

If you are using Access as the backend and you are adding new records
through ADO code, then you can use @@Identity to return the autonumber
created with *that particular connection*.  

Try to think of it that you are actally creating a *new instance of a
connection* every time a record is entered (even though you are probably
using 'CurrentProject.Connection'). Therefore because this is a connection
on its own, in a multi-user database, where multiple users are adding
records, you are still *guaranteed* to return the autonumber of the record
created for *that specific user*.

That it the advantage of @@Idenitiy compared to other methods. It is tied in
to that particular connection (or statement) that created the record.
Whereas if you tried to use something like SELECT MAX(ID) to get the last
created record, then there is a danger that another record was created in
the meantime by another user.

Stuart, I am 99% certain that @@Idenity operates on that particulart
instance of a connection and that you will never get the autonumber from
another users' INSERT.  I'm happy for you to proove me wrong though!!  In
fact, it wouldn't be to hard to test, simply need to step through the code
just before executing the @@Identity statement and inserting a record
manually into the table, then seeing what @@IDentity returns.  Might go test
it myself!!

Quick reminder that I don't think @@Identity will work in Access 97 as it
was only introduced in Jet4.0 to satisfy us web coders!.  Not sre if this
has been posted but this is the KB article (watch wrapping):
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:
80/support/kb/articles/Q232/1/44.ASP&NoWebContent=1

Also, in an earlier post I mentioned 'transaction' which was a poor choice
of phrase. I was just trying to explain that each 'connection' was unique
for that user.

Hope this helps!
Cheers,
Andrew



-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg]
Sent: Friday, 9 May 2003 9:22 PM
To: Gustav Brock; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value


In Jet 4 it's on a per connection basis. In SQL Server, it's a system 
variable. So it depends on whether you Backend is  Access or SQL 
Server.

If you are using an Acces BE with Jet 4 and only updating one table 
with the connection, it's safe - if it's an SQL Server BE or the same 
connection updates multiple tables in an Acces BE,  it's not.


On 9 May 2003 at 10:35, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi Andrew and Stuart et al
> 
> I'm confused!
> 
> Andrew wrote:
> 
> It is safer as  @@Identity is linked only to the connection (or
> transaction) which created the record.  
> 
> Otherwise you are risking that another user will insert a record
> in-between adding and retrieving the ID of the record added by the
> first user.
> 
> I'm not sure if that is a risk using the other methods mentioned on
> this list, however I *do* now that with @@Identity there is no risk of
> this happening.
> 
> but Stuart wrote:
> 
> > @@Identity is a system wide variable. It returns the last autonumber
> > generated by the system. You certainly can't rely on it to return a
> > particular record number in either a multi user system or in a
> > system where you are inserting into more than one table with
> > autonumbers keys in the same transaction.
> 
> So now, what to believe?
> 
> /gustav
> 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May  9 16:58:21 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 14:58:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F36@infoserver01.infostat.local>

You can also publish the schema to HTML, complete with jumps between
tables and pages.  Then they can view it in their browser.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Capistrant [mailto:scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 1:54 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization


I love Visio.  Not so much for the design stage (its faster to mock up
in Access), but to publish the data model to customers.  You can export
your Access data model to Visio really easily and then arrange the
tables using as much real estate as you want.  Then bring your file to
Kinko's and have them print a 2'x3' poster of your data model.  The
power users within the customer's organization are in heaven (assuming
you provide them with some method of being exposed to the data for
custom querying and reporting.).

Steve Capistrant
scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com
Phone: 612-333-1311
Symphony Information Services
www.symphonyinfo.com
212 3rd Ave N, Ste 404
Minneapolis, MN 55401


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:08 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization


Jim...anyone

...I'm just now really getting into Visio ...has anyone here integrated
it with Access in an application? ...my intent is to use it as the
primary user interface with a tradeshow booth booking app and I'm
looking for anyone who's done something similar.

William Hindman
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:02 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization


> Hi Arthur:
>
> What do you think of MS Viso as a design tools?
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur 
> Fuller
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:16 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization
>
>
> Great concept, a normalization tool!
>
> "Yo, dumbass, these columns should be a related table, click OK to
overrule
> yo dumbass design, foo!" :-)
>
> AFAIK no one has built it yet.
>
> I'm a big fan of database-design tools such as Erwin, PowerDesigner 
> and
(my
> fave lately) DeZign, which costs 1/10 of the price of the 
> aforementioned
and
> delivers almost all their functionality. Said tools can inhale a db 
> and
turn
> it into a model and let you remodel it and then exhale a db to a list 
> of targets, automatically converting data types etc. You can inhale 
> Access
and
> exhale MySQL if that's what you want, or Oracle or DB2 or MS-SQL or
Sybase.
>
> When I work on a new project, I spend a lot of time in DeZign before
writing
> a line of code. When I work on an existing project, first thing I do 
> is import it into DeZign. It vaguely resembles the Access 
> Relationships
window
> but offers many more benefits, most notably Domains.
>
> (I own no shares in this company; I'm just a satisfied user.)
>
> Back to your question. If the db Admins have not granted her 
> sufficient privs to export definitions then there is no simple way 
> around it. She is asking either for hacker tools or for increased 
> privs.
>
> Secondly, why export table definitions to Excel? Why not simple ascii
files
> that you can run in QA to rebuild structures?
>
> Arthur
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gale Perez
> Sent: May 8, 2003 6:46 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Access Normalization
>
>
> Hello!
>
> I haven't posted for quite a while (have been working
> in Oracle, am now doing project management and working
> on some Access tracking DBs).  It's nice to be back
> and see familiar names :)
>
> Is there a way to export Access table definitions into
> Excel or into a normalization tool (we're using
> Brackets)?  I'm asking on someone else's behalf and
> she has tried Export but gets the message that she
> doesn't have permissions (it's not a secured
> database).  Can you access the data dictionary with
> SQL statements?
>
> Thank you for any assistance,
> Gale
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May  9 17:04:44 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 15:04:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Normalization
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C329@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Personally, I loved version 5 (the last non-MS version), but haven't
been quite so thrilled with 2000 and 2002.  For one thing, they took the
forward engineering out of the Professional version in 2000 and moved it
to Enterprise, although Enterprise was released later and then they
wanted a full upgrade price *again* to move from Professional to
Enterprise.  At that point, I didn't bother.  I still like it for
design, although I've used other tools as well, but without the forward
engineering, you might as well use another less expensive tool.
Enterprise is just too expensive for what the product does for an Access
developer, IMHO.  However, I think it forces you to really think about
your design in ways that rapid development in Access doesn't, and for
that, I like Visio or DeZign.


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 1:03 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization


Hi Arthur:

What do you think of MS Viso as a design tools?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:16 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization


Great concept, a normalization tool!

"Yo, dumbass, these columns should be a related table, click OK to
overrule yo dumbass design, foo!" :-)

AFAIK no one has built it yet.

I'm a big fan of database-design tools such as Erwin, PowerDesigner and
(my fave lately) DeZign, which costs 1/10 of the price of the
aforementioned and delivers almost all their functionality. Said tools
can inhale a db and turn it into a model and let you remodel it and then
exhale a db to a list of targets, automatically converting data types
etc. You can inhale Access and exhale MySQL if that's what you want, or
Oracle or DB2 or MS-SQL or Sybase.

When I work on a new project, I spend a lot of time in DeZign before
writing a line of code. When I work on an existing project, first thing
I do is import it into DeZign. It vaguely resembles the Access
Relationships window but offers many more benefits, most notably
Domains.

(I own no shares in this company; I'm just a satisfied user.)

Back to your question. If the db Admins have not granted her sufficient
privs to export definitions then there is no simple way around it. She
is asking either for hacker tools or for increased privs.

Secondly, why export table definitions to Excel? Why not simple ascii
files that you can run in QA to rebuild structures?

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gale Perez
Sent: May 8, 2003 6:46 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access Normalization


Hello!

I haven't posted for quite a while (have been working
in Oracle, am now doing project management and working
on some Access tracking DBs).  It's nice to be back
and see familiar names :)

Is there a way to export Access table definitions into
Excel or into a normalization tool (we're using
Brackets)?  I'm asking on someone else's behalf and
she has tried Export but gets the message that she
doesn't have permissions (it's not a secured
database).  Can you access the data dictionary with
SQL statements?

Thank you for any assistance,
Gale


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May  9 17:05:58 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 15:05:58 -0700
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F38@infoserver01.infostat.local>

And now that same helpful group has moved on to MSDN, TechNet and the
MSKB!

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 12:53 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


Sorry William,

I do not claim to be smart enough to know how to hide every possible way
a mere human can think of to try to look up something in the help files.
I would probably have overlooked some logical path into the help files,
and thus they would be somewhat helpful.  <grin>  Nor do I think that JC
could have done it either.  <VBG> They clearly are the handiwork of a
satanic cult, if not of Satan himself!

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 15:36
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery
Importance: Low


...its ok Charles ...we all know you and JC co-wrote the A2k/XP Help
Files
:))))

William Hindman ...take that!!!!!! :))))))

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wortz, Charles" <CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:07 PM
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


> Pamela,
>
> Do you know for a fact that William is not both? <grin>
>
> Charles Wortz
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PBudge at cbsol.com [mailto:PBudge at cbsol.com]
> Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 15:02
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
> Importance: Low
>
>
>
> He said DEMENTED, not DENSE!!!!  ;-))))))))))))))))))))))
>
> Pamela G. Budge
> PBudge at cbsol.com
> Creative Business Solutions
>
>
>
>
>                       "William Hindman"
>
>                       <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>        To:
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
>                       Sent by:                         cc:
>
>                       accessd-bounces at databasea        Subject:  Re:
> Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
>
>                       dvisors.com
>
>
>
>
>
>                       05/09/2003 02:44 PM
>
>                       Please respond to accessd
>
>
>
>
> ...jest 'cause I think you rite lik 'n ms injuneer ain't not no reasun

> to go a'callin' me names, eh! :)
>
> William Hindman
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri May  9 17:25:14 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 15:25:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Downgrading to ODE 2000
References: <000701c31654$d2562230$0400000a@PASCAL>
Message-ID: <3EBC2ACA.60106@shaw.ca>

They changed the option, you can only get a downgrade if you have a 
minimum 5 unit volume license.
http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/downloads/downgrade_rights.doc
http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/downloads/downgrade_chart.doc
or search for downgrade
http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/resources/volbrief.asp

 That leaves you with 2 options.

1. Buy from a reseller. They usually pick up multiple copies from
governments or bankruptcies (a lot of dot com's out there)
Try places like
http://www.viosoftware.com
 Office 2000 pro around $400 US or developers edition $ 600
Buying off E-Bay may get you lower prices but you may get a CD and
directions to a warez site for a key hack.

2. MS Part #: 534-02125  -  MSDN Universal 7.0 Subscription

The MSDN Universal includes nearly $48,000 worth of software. Developer's
versions of Office 97/2000/XP, Windows 95/98/2000/XP, SQL Server 7.0/2000,
Windows Server, .NET beta/2000, Exchange Server 5.5/2000, BizTalk Server,
Project 2002 and Visio 2002 are included (Plus much more!). You will
receive 12 months of Subscriptions services including monthly and beta
shipments, access to the Subscriber's web site, 4 technical support
incidents,
 Price for Professional edition is around $1100 and with a $300 mail
rebate on DVD purchase.
You may have to download old versions of office from MSDN site as ISO
images and burn to a CD.


Mark Whittinghill wrote:

>Does M$ have a downgrade option to get ODE 2000 if you have the XP version?
>I looked on the site and can't figure out the legalese.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark Whittinghill
>Symphony Information Services
>612-333-1311
>mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
>
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>  
>



From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Fri May  9 17:54:54 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 18:54:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Downgrading to ODE 2000
References: <000701c31654$d2562230$0400000a@PASCAL> <3EBC2ACA.60106@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <00b801c3167e$019ea390$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

...re ebay buys ...I've never had a bad transaction on ebay and I've got a
number of software bargains there ...Visio 2002 Pro for $39 for instance,
fully registered with MS ...ODEs ...and MSDN subs for $850 which is a
tremendous bargain ...but I am careful to buy only from sellers with high
feedback ratings and always ask any questions before bidding ...like any
marketplace, if you're looking for a bargain you have to be very careful
what you're buying ...but that caution aside, ebay has saved me one hell of
a lot of money ...as well as made me some ...a client recently upgraded to
WinXP Pro using a CD and licenses I bought through ebay ...he saved a bunch
and I did more than ok on the deal ...and the Windows holo and licenses were
all legal. :)

William Hindman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Downgrading to ODE 2000


> They changed the option, you can only get a downgrade if you have a
> minimum 5 unit volume license.
> http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/downloads/downgrade_rights.doc
> http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/downloads/downgrade_chart.doc
> or search for downgrade
> http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/resources/volbrief.asp
>
>  That leaves you with 2 options.
>
> 1. Buy from a reseller. They usually pick up multiple copies from
> governments or bankruptcies (a lot of dot com's out there)
> Try places like
> http://www.viosoftware.com
>  Office 2000 pro around $400 US or developers edition $ 600
> Buying off E-Bay may get you lower prices but you may get a CD and
> directions to a warez site for a key hack.
>
> 2. MS Part #: 534-02125  -  MSDN Universal 7.0 Subscription
>
> The MSDN Universal includes nearly $48,000 worth of software. Developer's
> versions of Office 97/2000/XP, Windows 95/98/2000/XP, SQL Server 7.0/2000,
> Windows Server, .NET beta/2000, Exchange Server 5.5/2000, BizTalk Server,
> Project 2002 and Visio 2002 are included (Plus much more!). You will
> receive 12 months of Subscriptions services including monthly and beta
> shipments, access to the Subscriber's web site, 4 technical support
> incidents,
>  Price for Professional edition is around $1100 and with a $300 mail
> rebate on DVD purchase.
> You may have to download old versions of office from MSDN site as ISO
> images and burn to a CD.
>
>
> Mark Whittinghill wrote:
>
> >Does M$ have a downgrade option to get ODE 2000 if you have the XP
version?
> >I looked on the site and can't figure out the legalese.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Mark Whittinghill
> >Symphony Information Services
> >612-333-1311
> >mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
> >
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> >
> >
> >
>
>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  9 17:57:36 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 17:57:36 -0500 
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subque
	ry
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B35@main2.marlow.com>

Snotty nosed nephew??????

Good thing you're ducking for cover....just out of curiousity, how did you
know I have sinus problems! <grin> (Oh ya, I live in Texas, that sorta gives
it away!<grin>)

By the way, I'm soon to be on the 'author' list....I have three articles in
the loop with Susan (and I am going to be working on the fourth this
weekend....she's gonna have fun with that one! <grin>).  Of course, I have
NO idea when they'll be published.....

Hope you're having a good one Uncle JC!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:20 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


Ron,

I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,
faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth be
known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy, I still
have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".

I remember my first job in Access.  I came from programming, but it wasn't
event driven.  I was sooooo lost.  I sold myself for well under 1/2 my
normal wage because the company was willing to let me read and learn what I
had to learn to do their database.  4 hours reading, 6-8 hours working, 6
days a week (the company's old db was dying a painful death).  This was 1994
and there was no (widely available) internet, in fact not even an Access
Users Group.  I was one of the founding members and board member of the San
Diego Access Users Group and loved having someplace I could go once a month
to talk about Access.  MAN, it was LONELY out there back then.

This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan, demented
cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well you get the
picture.  <ducking REAL low>

Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:04 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of dogs,
and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly though, I
agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think
concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and new
territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power programming'
approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever offer
(partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original posts).
I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
venerable list members.
Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!

Ron



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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  9 17:58:41 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 17:58:41 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters:
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B36@main2.marlow.com>

SIX??? Did someone forget to turn on referential integrity on?  <grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
[mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:31 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters:


Feel free folks to throw any ideas for articles my way with appropriate 
examples. I aint proud. I got 6 kids to feed.

Martin
(VBG)


Quoting Ron Moore <rmoore at comtechpst.com>:

> My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of
> dogs,
> and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly though,
> I
> agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think
> concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and
> new
> territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power
> programming'
> approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever
> offer
> (partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original
> posts).
> I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
> venerable list members.
> Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!
> 
> Ron
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:42 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
> 
> 
> Now Susan, no one was saying you were stealing solutions.  I was just
> joking
> in fact, but from your reaction...
> 
> ;-)
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan
> Harkins
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:27 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
> 
> 
> FWIW, I don't think anyone on this list can point to one of my articles
> and
> say, "that's my solution and you stole it." :)
> 
> I learn lots on this list -- a ton -- always something new. Generally,
> solutions don't write up well -- they are way too specific and
> customized.
> Occasionally, I can turn one into a generic, more universal article.
> Most
> likely, these solutions work their way into my own stuff -- making it
> better
> and more efficient -- just like everyone else's. We pick stuff up, we
> forget
> it, and then somewhere down the road, we're using it and we don't even
> remember where we learned it -- except we figure it must've been this
> list.
> 
> When I want to write about a very specific solution, I contact the
> person
> and make a deal. You will find many of my bylines have a co-author and
> many
> of them are from this list.
> 
> Lots of brilliant people here but not everything works as an article.
> The
> more specific a solution, the less appeal it has as an article. The
> solution
> must be something that will be of interest to the average reader. For
> ever 5
> "topic" I pitch, the publishers buy 1. :)
> 
> Susan H.
> 
> 
> 
> > Naw, it's more likely that people like Susan, Martin and Arthur all
> write
> > for these newsletters.  They are list members, and when they see a
> good
> > topic, they write an article.  Since an article can only be sold to
> a
> single
> > newsletter, they all get together and discuss who's gonna write up the
> tip
> > for which newsletter.  Susan sells to one, Martin to another, Arthur
> to
> > another.  Etc.
> >
> > No law says they each can't write on the same SUBJECT but for a
> different
> > newsletter.
> >
> > And if they didn't before, they will now.  ;-)
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John
> Bartow
> > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 12:49 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> >
> >
> > I've often thought that too. I subscribe to a number of
> > newsletters/magazines and they do tend to have similar topics in them.
> The
> > Q&A/Tips sections often reflect items that have popped up on various
> lists.
> >
> > JB
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz,
> Charles
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:04 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> > >
> > >
> > > Charlotte,
> > >
> > > More likely that the editors are lurkers on lists such as this. 
> When
> > > they see an interesting topic come up on the lists, they each go
> and
> > > commission an article from one of writers in their stables.  Thus,
> > > several months later the mags have similar articles.  If my
> hypothesis
> > > is true, then we should see some articles on []. subqueries coming
> out
> > > in a few months.
> > >
> > > Charles Wortz
> > > Software Development Division
> > > Texas Education Agency
> > > 1701 N. Congress Ave
> > > Austin, TX 78701-1494
> > > 512-463-9493
> > > CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri May  9 17:58:55 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 15:58:55 -0700
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
References: <Law12-F11285c9HZTa90000b672@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3EBC32AF.3010004@shaw.ca>

I have a lot of problems with fiends ...err. fields in my databases

Don Elliker wrote:

> that's what all you satanic cabalists say! And it goes a long way 
> towards explaining some of the occurances in my dbs (just to keep it 
> on topic)
>
> _d
>
> "Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them."
>
> >From: "Wortz, Charles" >Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com >To: 
> >Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line 
> subquery >Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 14:21:40 -0500 > >Cabals are not 
> always satanic! However, I do not know if that is true >of all members 
> of this list. > >Charles Wortz >Software Development Division >Texas 
> Education Agency >1701 N. Congress Ave >Austin, TX 78701-1494 
> >512-463-9493 >CWortz at tea.state.tx.us > >-----Original Message----- 
> >From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] >Sent: Friday 2003 
> May 09 14:14 >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com >Subject: RE: Subjects 
> in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line >subquery > > > >I was 
> gonna get cabal but I decided on satanlite instead >_d > > > > > 
> >"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." > 
> >From: "Wortz, Charles" > >Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > 
> >To: > >Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL 
> in-line >subquery > >Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 12:58:25 -0500 > > > >Wrong 
> John! It's JC that revealed the secrets of the cabal. > > > >Charles 
> Wortz > >-----Original Message----- > >From: The Cabal 
> [mailto:john at winhaven.net] > >Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 12:53 > >To: 
> accessd at databaseadvisors.com > >Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: 
> was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line > >subquery > > > > > >unsubscribe 
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> Bartow "the troublemaker" unsubscribe Access > > >Unlimited John 
> Bartow "the troublemaker" unsubscribe Inside Microsoft > >Access John 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  9 18:04:31 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 18:04:31 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B37@main2.marlow.com>

Ya, I think it's some sort of initiation.  I just know that Darren Dick got
a hold of me one day, which I am still blushing from his email....he
mentioned this list, and the next thing I know, I'm in a heated discussion
over bound/unbound forms with a 'supposed' Access expert.  (Had to get you
back for the snotty nosed cousin comment JC <grin>)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Moore [mailto:rmoore at comtechpst.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Martin,  hasn't everyone who came on this list had a long argument with JC?
Are you saying we only begin to learn after we've had said long argument?


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Yip. When I came on tho this list (lot of years now) and had a long argument
with JC I started to learn. Today I have two books published, numerous
articles and I am currrently working for the Microsoft Office Team. None of
this would have been possible without the likes of John Colby, William,
Rocky,
Arthur, Mike Gunderloy and the other great developers on this list. Not
forgetting Susuan Harkins. The other day I got an email that was addressed
to
myself and three others. I sat and looked at it but for this list and the
ideas, arguments and teaching that has taken place I would not be here at
all.

But outside of that its the friends I have made here that mean more than
anything else.

I have to name John Colby and Susan. Two people who give freely of their
time
and expertise to others. Susan in particular has opened so many doors for me
in the Database world. Arthur Fuller as well who I think does more of list
than he does on.

Martin

Quoting John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:

> Ron,
>
> I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,
> faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth
> be
> known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy, I
> still
> have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".
>
> I remember my first job in Access.  I came from programming, but it
> wasn't
> event driven.  I was sooooo lost.  I sold myself for well under 1/2 my
> normal wage because the company was willing to let me read and learn
> what I
> had to learn to do their database.  4 hours reading, 6-8 hours working,
> 6
> days a week (the company's old db was dying a painful death).  This was
> 1994
> and there was no (widely available) internet, in fact not even an
> Access
> Users Group.  I was one of the founding members and board member of the
> San
> Diego Access Users Group and loved having someplace I could go once a
> month
> to talk about Access.  MAN, it was LONELY out there back then.
>
> This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan,
> demented
> cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well you get
> the
> picture.  <ducking REAL low>
>
> Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:04 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
>
>
> My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of
> dogs,
> and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly though,
> I
> agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think
> concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and
> new
> territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power
> programming'
> approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever
> offer
> (partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original
> posts).
> I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
> venerable list members.
> Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!
>
> Ron
>
>
>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  9 18:07:30 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 18:07:30 -0500 
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subque
	ry
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B38@main2.marlow.com>

That is SO below the belt it's not even funny.  Let's keep things civil!
<grin>....

I will say that I owe a case of beer to whoever wrote the Access 97 help
files........for the last two years I have gotten pretty good at using the
MSDN (3 CD version I installed from Office 2k Dev Edition).  It has answered
almost all of my questions, but I still, to this day, will look for stuff in
97's help files...even if it's not Access related...just code related, if I
haven't found the answer in a few minutes....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:36 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


...its ok Charles ...we all know you and JC co-wrote the A2k/XP Help Files
:))))

William Hindman ...take that!!!!!! :))))))

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wortz, Charles" <CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:07 PM
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


> Pamela,
>
> Do you know for a fact that William is not both? <grin>
>
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PBudge at cbsol.com [mailto:PBudge at cbsol.com]
> Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 15:02
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
> Importance: Low
>
>
>
> He said DEMENTED, not DENSE!!!!  ;-))))))))))))))))))))))
>
> Pamela G. Budge
> PBudge at cbsol.com
> Creative Business Solutions
>
>
>
>
>                       "William Hindman"
>
>                       <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>        To:
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
>                       Sent by:                         cc:
>
>                       accessd-bounces at databasea        Subject:  Re:
> Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
>
>                       dvisors.com
>
>
>
>
>
>                       05/09/2003 02:44 PM
>
>                       Please respond to accessd
>
>
>
>
> ...jest 'cause I think you rite lik 'n ms injuneer ain't not no reasun
> to go a'callin' me names, eh! :)
>
> William Hindman
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:20 PM
> Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
>
>
> > Ron,
> >
> > I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,
>
> > faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth
> > be known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy,
>
> > I
> still
> > have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".
> >
> <snip big chunk of his sad story>
> </snip>
> > This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan,
> demented
> > cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well you get
> > the picture.  <ducking REAL low>
> >
> > Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May  9 18:10:14 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 19:10:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
In-Reply-To: <012201c3166a$c05f95a0$4814a8c0@Comtech.Comtechpst.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEEGDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Isn't that the basis of "survival of the fittest" and all that?  We survive
conflict, learn from it, and become better fit to...

I know a couple of developers who took their ball and went home (Back to
Access-L if I recall) after a run-in with me.  Others just kicked sand in my
face n stayed on (Drew for example).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Martin,  hasn't everyone who came on this list had a long argument with JC?
Are you saying we only begin to learn after we've had said long argument?


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Yip. When I came on tho this list (lot of years now) and had a long argument
with JC I started to learn. Today I have two books published, numerous
articles and I am currrently working for the Microsoft Office Team. None of
this would have been possible without the likes of John Colby, William,
Rocky,
Arthur, Mike Gunderloy and the other great developers on this list. Not
forgetting Susuan Harkins. The other day I got an email that was addressed
to
myself and three others. I sat and looked at it but for this list and the
ideas, arguments and teaching that has taken place I would not be here at
all.

But outside of that its the friends I have made here that mean more than
anything else.

I have to name John Colby and Susan. Two people who give freely of their
time
and expertise to others. Susan in particular has opened so many doors for me
in the Database world. Arthur Fuller as well who I think does more of list
than he does on.

Martin

Quoting John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:

> Ron,
>
> I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,
> faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth
> be
> known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy, I
> still
> have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".
>
> I remember my first job in Access.  I came from programming, but it
> wasn't
> event driven.  I was sooooo lost.  I sold myself for well under 1/2 my
> normal wage because the company was willing to let me read and learn
> what I
> had to learn to do their database.  4 hours reading, 6-8 hours working,
> 6
> days a week (the company's old db was dying a painful death).  This was
> 1994
> and there was no (widely available) internet, in fact not even an
> Access
> Users Group.  I was one of the founding members and board member of the
> San
> Diego Access Users Group and loved having someplace I could go once a
> month
> to talk about Access.  MAN, it was LONELY out there back then.
>
> This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan,
> demented
> cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well you get
> the
> picture.  <ducking REAL low>
>
> Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:04 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
>
>
> My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of
> dogs,
> and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly though,
> I
> agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think
> concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and
> new
> territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power
> programming'
> approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever
> offer
> (partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original
> posts).
> I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
> venerable list members.
> Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From harkins at iglou.com  Fri May  9 18:09:24 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 19:09:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F34@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <002f01c31680$28f05590$ebe6ffcc@SusanOne>

OK Charlotte... I'm putting on my butt-kicking boots! ;) 

Rabbit


> It's a secret we've been keeping from you, Susan.  You have to be older
> before we explain it.  <VBG>



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May  9 18:12:36 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 19:12:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
In-Reply-To: <003c01c3166c$4ff76c00$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEEGDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

And years later, I had a REAL reason to do JIT his way.  Only once so far...

;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:48 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


...AccessD rite of passage ...until you've been on the wrong end of of a JC
rant, you can't really belong :)

...years back, a raw newbie to AccessD, I dared to mention that I did my
j-i-t subforms just a bit differently ...two weeks later and a masters
degree in Access intricacies later, we called a truce out of sheer
exhaustion ...not ours of course but everyone else on the list ...but I did
buy his JIT sample and used it from then on :)))

William Hindman

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Moore" <rmoore at comtechpst.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:37 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


> Martin,  hasn't everyone who came on this list had a long argument with
JC?
> Are you saying we only begin to learn after we've had said long argument?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:39 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
>
>
> Yip. When I came on tho this list (lot of years now) and had a long
argument
> with JC I started to learn. Today I have two books published, numerous
> articles and I am currrently working for the Microsoft Office Team. None
of
> this would have been possible without the likes of John Colby, William,
> Rocky,
> Arthur, Mike Gunderloy and the other great developers on this list. Not
> forgetting Susuan Harkins. The other day I got an email that was addressed
> to
> myself and three others. I sat and looked at it but for this list and the
> ideas, arguments and teaching that has taken place I would not be here at
> all.
>
> But outside of that its the friends I have made here that mean more than
> anything else.
>
> I have to name John Colby and Susan. Two people who give freely of their
> time
> and expertise to others. Susan in particular has opened so many doors for
me
> in the Database world. Arthur Fuller as well who I think does more of list
> than he does on.
>
> Martin
>
> Quoting John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
>
> > Ron,
> >
> > I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,
> > faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth
> > be
> > known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy, I
> > still
> > have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".
> >
> > I remember my first job in Access.  I came from programming, but it
> > wasn't
> > event driven.  I was sooooo lost.  I sold myself for well under 1/2 my
> > normal wage because the company was willing to let me read and learn
> > what I
> > had to learn to do their database.  4 hours reading, 6-8 hours working,
> > 6
> > days a week (the company's old db was dying a painful death).  This was
> > 1994
> > and there was no (widely available) internet, in fact not even an
> > Access
> > Users Group.  I was one of the founding members and board member of the
> > San
> > Diego Access Users Group and loved having someplace I could go once a
> > month
> > to talk about Access.  MAN, it was LONELY out there back then.
> >
> > This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan,
> > demented
> > cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well you get
> > the
> > picture.  <ducking REAL low>
> >
> > Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
> > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:04 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> > subquery
> >
> >
> > My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of
> > dogs,
> > and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly though,
> > I
> > agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think
> > concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and
> > new
> > territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power
> > programming'
> > approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever
> > offer
> > (partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original
> > posts).
> > I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
> > venerable list members.
> > Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!
> >
> > Ron
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  9 18:16:55 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 18:16:55 -0500 
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subque
	ry
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B3A@main2.marlow.com>

Actually, it's pretty easy.  Just use a JOIN with a <> instead of an =.
That prevents any relevant reference! <Grin>

Sheesh! <evilgrin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:53 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


Sorry William,

I do not claim to be smart enough to know how to hide every possible way
a mere human can think of to try to look up something in the help files.
I would probably have overlooked some logical path into the help files,
and thus they would be somewhat helpful.  <grin>  Nor do I think that JC
could have done it either.  <VBG> They clearly are the handiwork of a
satanic cult, if not of Satan himself!

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 15:36
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery
Importance: Low


...its ok Charles ...we all know you and JC co-wrote the A2k/XP Help
Files
:))))

William Hindman ...take that!!!!!! :))))))

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wortz, Charles" <CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:07 PM
Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
subquery


> Pamela,
>
> Do you know for a fact that William is not both? <grin>
>
> Charles Wortz
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PBudge at cbsol.com [mailto:PBudge at cbsol.com]
> Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 15:02
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line 
> subquery
> Importance: Low
>
>
>
> He said DEMENTED, not DENSE!!!!  ;-))))))))))))))))))))))
>
> Pamela G. Budge
> PBudge at cbsol.com
> Creative Business Solutions
>
>
>
>
>                       "William Hindman"
>
>                       <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>        To:
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
>                       Sent by:                         cc:
>
>                       accessd-bounces at databasea        Subject:  Re:
> Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
>
>                       dvisors.com
>
>
>
>
>
>                       05/09/2003 02:44 PM
>
>                       Please respond to accessd
>
>
>
>
> ...jest 'cause I think you rite lik 'n ms injuneer ain't not no reasun

> to go a'callin' me names, eh! :)
>
> William Hindman
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From harkins at iglou.com  Fri May  9 18:22:23 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 19:22:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEEGDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <005501c31681$d984fef0$ebe6ffcc@SusanOne>

Sound like we need a Faceoff column in MTM :)

Susan H.


> And years later, I had a REAL reason to do JIT his way.  Only once so
far...
>



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May  9 18:24:00 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 16:24:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F3A@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Um, there's another explanation, John.  But William took offense when
the accusation was levelled at him! <G>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Isn't that the basis of "survival of the fittest" and all that?  We
survive conflict, learn from it, and become better fit to...

I know a couple of developers who took their ball and went home (Back to
Access-L if I recall) after a run-in with me.  Others just kicked sand
in my face n stayed on (Drew for example).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Martin,  hasn't everyone who came on this list had a long argument with
JC? Are you saying we only begin to learn after we've had said long
argument?


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Yip. When I came on tho this list (lot of years now) and had a long
argument with JC I started to learn. Today I have two books published,
numerous articles and I am currrently working for the Microsoft Office
Team. None of this would have been possible without the likes of John
Colby, William, Rocky, Arthur, Mike Gunderloy and the other great
developers on this list. Not forgetting Susuan Harkins. The other day I
got an email that was addressed to myself and three others. I sat and
looked at it but for this list and the ideas, arguments and teaching
that has taken place I would not be here at all.

But outside of that its the friends I have made here that mean more than
anything else.

I have to name John Colby and Susan. Two people who give freely of their
time and expertise to others. Susan in particular has opened so many
doors for me in the Database world. Arthur Fuller as well who I think
does more of list than he does on.

Martin

Quoting John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:

> Ron,
>
> I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,

> faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth 
> be known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy,

> I still
> have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".
>
> I remember my first job in Access.  I came from programming, but it 
> wasn't event driven.  I was sooooo lost.  I sold myself for well under

> 1/2 my normal wage because the company was willing to let me read and 
> learn what I
> had to learn to do their database.  4 hours reading, 6-8 hours
working,
> 6
> days a week (the company's old db was dying a painful death).  This
was
> 1994
> and there was no (widely available) internet, in fact not even an
> Access
> Users Group.  I was one of the founding members and board member of
the
> San
> Diego Access Users Group and loved having someplace I could go once a
> month
> to talk about Access.  MAN, it was LONELY out there back then.
>
> This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan, 
> demented cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well 
> you get the
> picture.  <ducking REAL low>
>
> Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:04 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line 
> subquery
>
>
> My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of

> dogs,
> and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly
though,
> I
> agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think

> concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and 
> new territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power
> programming'
> approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever
> offer
> (partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original
> posts).
> I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
> venerable list members.
> Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!
>
> Ron
>
>
>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  9 18:35:59 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 18:35:59 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B3C@main2.marlow.com>

I know it's Just In Time from a manufacturing point of view (where each
phase of a products manufacturing chain is completed just before the next
phase needs it.  Takes the slack out of a production line).  I just read
Seth's post to this, which makes sense...about linking a subform just when
it's needed....of course, that's if you use those 'bound' (yeck) subforms
(VERY BIG EVIL GRIN).

Before reading Seth's post, I just assumed it meant JC's Irreversibly
Totaled 'subforms'.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:15 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Ok, what the he*l is a jit subform?

Susan H.


> ...AccessD rite of passage ...until you've been on the wrong end of of a
JC
> rant, you can't really belong :)
>
> ...years back, a raw newbie to AccessD, I dared to mention that I did my
> j-i-t subforms just a bit differently ...two weeks later and a masters
> degree in Access intricacies later, we called a truce out of sheer
> exhaustion ...not ours of course but everyone else on the list ...but I
did
> buy his JIT sample and used it from then on :)))
>


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From jim.hale at fleetpride.com  Fri May  9 18:34:33 2003
From: jim.hale at fleetpride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 18:34:33 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Disabling Links in Excel
Message-ID: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF87305F60E91@corp-es00>

Did you try the delink tool? This is the only way to find some links. If the
link is in the spreadsheet you can also go <tools><options<formulas> and
visibly scan the spreadsheet. This will not necessarily find all links,
however whereas the tool will.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:09 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] (OT) Disabling Links in Excel


nop, doesn't work I've deleted all the named ranges but one link is still
left that I can't seem to get rid off

> Hi, Oleg
>
> Check to see if your spreadsheet has any named ranges that have
> references to out-of-book sources.  Since you're severing the ties to
> external sources, you should be able to safely delete such named ranges
> AFTER doing the Copy/Paste Special/Values routine.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Don McGillivray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:10 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] (OT) Disabling Links in Excel
>
>
> Hi Oleg
>
> Yes, I think that is what I thought of - however I'm not an Excel guru
> and others may have better advice for you.
>
> /gustav
>
>> you mean cop/paste special-values ?
>> I've done that; it get read of 4 links, but still keeps one. And there
>
>> is still that "Would you like to refresh the lnik" message which
>> management doesn't like.
>
>>> Hi Oleg
>>>
>>> If you use the workbook just for sending data with no need for
>>> formulas you can replace all formulas and links of the cells with the
>
>>> calculated values.
>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  9 18:38:14 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 18:38:14 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B3D@main2.marlow.com>

I think that is why I took on the Archives, because I want my grandchildren
to be able to look back on this List with pride! <VBG>.

By the way, everyone, I FINALLY got my domain switched to my new IP Address.
So now when you go to http://wolfwares.com, it keeps the domain name in the
Address, instead of switching it to the IP Address, which was caused by the
web redirect I had in place.  As long as SBC stays in business, and my
building doesn't burn down, it should be in good shape! <grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 6:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Isn't that the basis of "survival of the fittest" and all that?  We survive
conflict, learn from it, and become better fit to...

I know a couple of developers who took their ball and went home (Back to
Access-L if I recall) after a run-in with me.  Others just kicked sand in my
face n stayed on (Drew for example).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Martin,  hasn't everyone who came on this list had a long argument with JC?
Are you saying we only begin to learn after we've had said long argument?


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Yip. When I came on tho this list (lot of years now) and had a long argument
with JC I started to learn. Today I have two books published, numerous
articles and I am currrently working for the Microsoft Office Team. None of
this would have been possible without the likes of John Colby, William,
Rocky,
Arthur, Mike Gunderloy and the other great developers on this list. Not
forgetting Susuan Harkins. The other day I got an email that was addressed
to
myself and three others. I sat and looked at it but for this list and the
ideas, arguments and teaching that has taken place I would not be here at
all.

But outside of that its the friends I have made here that mean more than
anything else.

I have to name John Colby and Susan. Two people who give freely of their
time
and expertise to others. Susan in particular has opened so many doors for me
in the Database world. Arthur Fuller as well who I think does more of list
than he does on.

Martin

Quoting John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:

> Ron,
>
> I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,
> faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth
> be
> known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy, I
> still
> have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".
>
> I remember my first job in Access.  I came from programming, but it
> wasn't
> event driven.  I was sooooo lost.  I sold myself for well under 1/2 my
> normal wage because the company was willing to let me read and learn
> what I
> had to learn to do their database.  4 hours reading, 6-8 hours working,
> 6
> days a week (the company's old db was dying a painful death).  This was
> 1994
> and there was no (widely available) internet, in fact not even an
> Access
> Users Group.  I was one of the founding members and board member of the
> San
> Diego Access Users Group and loved having someplace I could go once a
> month
> to talk about Access.  MAN, it was LONELY out there back then.
>
> This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan,
> demented
> cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well you get
> the
> picture.  <ducking REAL low>
>
> Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:04 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
>
>
> My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of
> dogs,
> and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly though,
> I
> agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think
> concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and
> new
> territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power
> programming'
> approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever
> offer
> (partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original
> posts).
> I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
> venerable list members.
> Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!
>
> Ron
>
>
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May  9 18:41:39 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 19:41:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
In-Reply-To: <021601c31670$3858ae70$364afccc@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEEIDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Uh oh, trolling for article subjects again?

<grin>

I claim to have made up the name (for this application), but I actually
learned the technique from studying the open source for MS wizards.

The name JIT means "Just In Time" which of course comes from a manufacturing
"technique" back in the 80s.  It was all the rage.  Accepting supplies from
your supplier "just in time" to build the product.  It was designed (of
course) to keep inventories low.  Dell made it famous.

Microsoft, in their wizards, will build a main form with a single subform
control.  Then the forward and back buttons basically just cause a specific
subform to be bound to the subform control, "loading" the first subform,
unloading that and loading the second etc.  Back and forth, loading and
unloading forms as you cycle through the "steps" of the wizard.

I use bound forms, tabs, and subforms on the tabs.  I started running into
long load times for these rather complex forms.  Having seen this technique
of dynamically loading a subform into a subform control, it occurred to me
to try loading my subforms "Just in time", i.e. only when the user clicked
on the tab that had the subform on it.  The main form loads faster since it
doesn't have to load the subforms when it loads, in fact any given subform
may never load if the user never clicks on the tab that contains that
subform.

JIT "Just In Time" Subforms.

BTW, Williams technique for JIT subforms was that used by Microsoft - using
a single subform control to load all of the subforms needed on a tabbed main
form.  I use a subform control on each tab that needs a subform.  Our
"discussion" had to do with the pros and cons of each method.  My method
essentially loaded the subform the first time the user clicked on the tab,
but then kept it loaded from then on.  William's method loaded a subform
into a single tab control when the user clicked on a given tab, but unloaded
that subform and loaded a different subform when the user clicked on a
different tab.

My method prevents the user from having to suffer the load time for any
given subform the second and subsequent times the user goes to a tab.
William's causes the user to wait for the subform to load every time any
subform loads.  However, when moving through records on the main form,
William's method tends to be faster, sometimes MUCH faster.  Since his
method only ever has a single subform loaded at one time, the loading of
data for the subform is faster.  My method keeps the subforms loaded once
they load that first time.  Moving through the records on the main form is
thus slower since ALL the subforms have to load their data for each record
the main form is moved to.

I have since moved to a SysVar (System Variables) system (table) embedded in
my framework where I can set a default behaviors, but can then over-ride the
default behavior by a SysVar table in the FE.  One of the things I now to is
allow the developer to decide on a subform by subform basis (if they wish)
which method to use - load and leave loaded, or load and unload as the tab
gets / loses focus.

So... was that more than you ever wanted to know about JIT?  ;-)

If I see an article about it in the newsletters I'll know SOMEONE on this
list is watching...

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:15 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Ok, what the he*l is a jit subform?

Susan H.


> ...AccessD rite of passage ...until you've been on the wrong end of of a
JC
> rant, you can't really belong :)
>
> ...years back, a raw newbie to AccessD, I dared to mention that I did my
> j-i-t subforms just a bit differently ...two weeks later and a masters
> degree in Access intricacies later, we called a truce out of sheer
> exhaustion ...not ours of course but everyone else on the list ...but I
did
> buy his JIT sample and used it from then on :)))
>


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May  9 18:43:24 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 19:43:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
In-Reply-To: <MJEFLPNLACJJDBCHNLAGKEPPCCAA.scapistrant@symphonyinfo.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEEIDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

What a great idea!!!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steve
Capistrant
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:54 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization


I love Visio.  Not so much for the design stage (its faster to mock up in
Access), but to publish the data model to customers.  You can export your
Access data model to Visio really easily and then arrange the tables using
as much real estate as you want.  Then bring your file to Kinko's and have
them print a 2'x3' poster of your data model.  The power users within the
customer's organization are in heaven (assuming you provide them with some
method of being exposed to the data for custom querying and reporting.).

Steve Capistrant
scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com
Phone: 612-333-1311
Symphony Information Services
www.symphonyinfo.com
212 3rd Ave N, Ste 404
Minneapolis, MN 55401


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:08 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization


Jim...anyone

...I'm just now really getting into Visio ...has anyone here integrated it
with Access in an application?
...my intent is to use it as the primary user interface with a tradeshow
booth booking app and I'm looking for anyone who's done something similar.

William Hindman
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:02 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization


> Hi Arthur:
>
> What do you think of MS Viso as a design tools?
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:16 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization
>
>
> Great concept, a normalization tool!
>
> "Yo, dumbass, these columns should be a related table, click OK to
overrule
> yo dumbass design, foo!" :-)
>
> AFAIK no one has built it yet.
>
> I'm a big fan of database-design tools such as Erwin, PowerDesigner and
(my
> fave lately) DeZign, which costs 1/10 of the price of the aforementioned
and
> delivers almost all their functionality. Said tools can inhale a db and
turn
> it into a model and let you remodel it and then exhale a db to a list of
> targets, automatically converting data types etc. You can inhale Access
and
> exhale MySQL if that's what you want, or Oracle or DB2 or MS-SQL or
Sybase.
>
> When I work on a new project, I spend a lot of time in DeZign before
writing
> a line of code. When I work on an existing project, first thing I do is
> import it into DeZign. It vaguely resembles the Access Relationships
window
> but offers many more benefits, most notably Domains.
>
> (I own no shares in this company; I'm just a satisfied user.)
>
> Back to your question. If the db Admins have not granted her sufficient
> privs to export definitions then there is no simple way around it. She is
> asking either for hacker tools or for increased privs.
>
> Secondly, why export table definitions to Excel? Why not simple ascii
files
> that you can run in QA to rebuild structures?
>
> Arthur
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gale Perez
> Sent: May 8, 2003 6:46 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Access Normalization
>
>
> Hello!
>
> I haven't posted for quite a while (have been working
> in Oracle, am now doing project management and working
> on some Access tracking DBs).  It's nice to be back
> and see familiar names :)
>
> Is there a way to export Access table definitions into
> Excel or into a normalization tool (we're using
> Brackets)?  I'm asking on someone else's behalf and
> she has tried Export but gets the message that she
> doesn't have permissions (it's not a secured
> database).  Can you access the data dictionary with
> SQL statements?
>
> Thank you for any assistance,
> Gale
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May  9 18:44:10 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 16:44:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F3B@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Uh, Drew?  Given your track record so far, what are the odds? <VBG>  I
wish you had picked someone besides SBC.  Now I'm going to worry about
my DSL service! <LOL>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:38 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


I think that is why I took on the Archives, because I want my
grandchildren to be able to look back on this List with pride! <VBG>.

By the way, everyone, I FINALLY got my domain switched to my new IP
Address. So now when you go to http://wolfwares.com, it keeps the domain
name in the Address, instead of switching it to the IP Address, which
was caused by the web redirect I had in place.  As long as SBC stays in
business, and my building doesn't burn down, it should be in good shape!
<grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 6:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Isn't that the basis of "survival of the fittest" and all that?  We
survive conflict, learn from it, and become better fit to...

I know a couple of developers who took their ball and went home (Back to
Access-L if I recall) after a run-in with me.  Others just kicked sand
in my face n stayed on (Drew for example).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Martin,  hasn't everyone who came on this list had a long argument with
JC? Are you saying we only begin to learn after we've had said long
argument?


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Yip. When I came on tho this list (lot of years now) and had a long
argument with JC I started to learn. Today I have two books published,
numerous articles and I am currrently working for the Microsoft Office
Team. None of this would have been possible without the likes of John
Colby, William, Rocky, Arthur, Mike Gunderloy and the other great
developers on this list. Not forgetting Susuan Harkins. The other day I
got an email that was addressed to myself and three others. I sat and
looked at it but for this list and the ideas, arguments and teaching
that has taken place I would not be here at all.

But outside of that its the friends I have made here that mean more than
anything else.

I have to name John Colby and Susan. Two people who give freely of their
time and expertise to others. Susan in particular has opened so many
doors for me in the Database world. Arthur Fuller as well who I think
does more of list than he does on.

Martin

Quoting John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:

> Ron,
>
> I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,

> faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth 
> be known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy,

> I still
> have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".
>
> I remember my first job in Access.  I came from programming, but it 
> wasn't event driven.  I was sooooo lost.  I sold myself for well under

> 1/2 my normal wage because the company was willing to let me read and 
> learn what I
> had to learn to do their database.  4 hours reading, 6-8 hours
working,
> 6
> days a week (the company's old db was dying a painful death).  This
was
> 1994
> and there was no (widely available) internet, in fact not even an
> Access
> Users Group.  I was one of the founding members and board member of
the
> San
> Diego Access Users Group and loved having someplace I could go once a
> month
> to talk about Access.  MAN, it was LONELY out there back then.
>
> This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan, 
> demented cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well 
> you get the
> picture.  <ducking REAL low>
>
> Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:04 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line 
> subquery
>
>
> My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of

> dogs,
> and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly
though,
> I
> agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think

> concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and 
> new territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power
> programming'
> approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever
> offer
> (partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original
> posts).
> I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
> venerable list members.
> Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!
>
> Ron
>
>
>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  9 19:15:55 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 19:15:55 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B3E@main2.marlow.com>

I don't know about the odds, but I am certainly not putting money on
it...that's for sure! <grin>

As far as SBC, I didn't really have much of a choice.  I live in Mckinney,
Texas, which is just north of Dallas.  In fact, it is just barely outside
what is considered the DFW metroplex (Dallas/Fort Worth).  It's not
completely 'the back woods', but it's close.  Unfortunately, my choices
continue to get narrower.  Covad pulled out of the entire metroplex about 2
years ago, IP Communications went bankrupt, which left SBC or Internet
America.  Since Internet America (Texas based) actually sub contract SBC for
connections in my area, I'd be using SBC either way! <grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 6:44 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Uh, Drew?  Given your track record so far, what are the odds? <VBG>  I
wish you had picked someone besides SBC.  Now I'm going to worry about
my DSL service! <LOL>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:38 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


I think that is why I took on the Archives, because I want my
grandchildren to be able to look back on this List with pride! <VBG>.

By the way, everyone, I FINALLY got my domain switched to my new IP
Address. So now when you go to http://wolfwares.com, it keeps the domain
name in the Address, instead of switching it to the IP Address, which
was caused by the web redirect I had in place.  As long as SBC stays in
business, and my building doesn't burn down, it should be in good shape!
<grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 6:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Isn't that the basis of "survival of the fittest" and all that?  We
survive conflict, learn from it, and become better fit to...

I know a couple of developers who took their ball and went home (Back to
Access-L if I recall) after a run-in with me.  Others just kicked sand
in my face n stayed on (Drew for example).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Martin,  hasn't everyone who came on this list had a long argument with
JC? Are you saying we only begin to learn after we've had said long
argument?


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Yip. When I came on tho this list (lot of years now) and had a long
argument with JC I started to learn. Today I have two books published,
numerous articles and I am currrently working for the Microsoft Office
Team. None of this would have been possible without the likes of John
Colby, William, Rocky, Arthur, Mike Gunderloy and the other great
developers on this list. Not forgetting Susuan Harkins. The other day I
got an email that was addressed to myself and three others. I sat and
looked at it but for this list and the ideas, arguments and teaching
that has taken place I would not be here at all.

But outside of that its the friends I have made here that mean more than
anything else.

I have to name John Colby and Susan. Two people who give freely of their
time and expertise to others. Susan in particular has opened so many
doors for me in the Database world. Arthur Fuller as well who I think
does more of list than he does on.

Martin

Quoting John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:

> Ron,
>
> I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,

> faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth 
> be known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy,

> I still
> have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".
>
> I remember my first job in Access.  I came from programming, but it 
> wasn't event driven.  I was sooooo lost.  I sold myself for well under

> 1/2 my normal wage because the company was willing to let me read and 
> learn what I
> had to learn to do their database.  4 hours reading, 6-8 hours
working,
> 6
> days a week (the company's old db was dying a painful death).  This
was
> 1994
> and there was no (widely available) internet, in fact not even an
> Access
> Users Group.  I was one of the founding members and board member of
the
> San
> Diego Access Users Group and loved having someplace I could go once a
> month
> to talk about Access.  MAN, it was LONELY out there back then.
>
> This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan, 
> demented cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well 
> you get the
> picture.  <ducking REAL low>
>
> Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:04 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line 
> subquery
>
>
> My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of

> dogs,
> and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly
though,
> I
> agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think

> concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and 
> new territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power
> programming'
> approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever
> offer
> (partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original
> posts).
> I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
> venerable list members.
> Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May  9 19:32:35 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 20:32:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B3E@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEEMDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Ahhh you poor soul.  I get internet over my cable.  I get 4 mbit (yes, you
read correct) - BETTER than 450 KBYTES / sec transfer rate on files
(download of course) for a mere $30.  Of course I also have to take the
"Family" package which runs $40 but Mary is a TVaholic - or was before we
got Robbie.  And of course, I live way out of town, on a country road with
virtually no one else on my cable leg.  Still, I get superb bandwidth for
not a lot of money!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 8:16 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


I don't know about the odds, but I am certainly not putting money on
it...that's for sure! <grin>

As far as SBC, I didn't really have much of a choice.  I live in Mckinney,
Texas, which is just north of Dallas.  In fact, it is just barely outside
what is considered the DFW metroplex (Dallas/Fort Worth).  It's not
completely 'the back woods', but it's close.  Unfortunately, my choices
continue to get narrower.  Covad pulled out of the entire metroplex about 2
years ago, IP Communications went bankrupt, which left SBC or Internet
America.  Since Internet America (Texas based) actually sub contract SBC for
connections in my area, I'd be using SBC either way! <grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 6:44 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Uh, Drew?  Given your track record so far, what are the odds? <VBG>  I
wish you had picked someone besides SBC.  Now I'm going to worry about
my DSL service! <LOL>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:38 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


I think that is why I took on the Archives, because I want my
grandchildren to be able to look back on this List with pride! <VBG>.

By the way, everyone, I FINALLY got my domain switched to my new IP
Address. So now when you go to http://wolfwares.com, it keeps the domain
name in the Address, instead of switching it to the IP Address, which
was caused by the web redirect I had in place.  As long as SBC stays in
business, and my building doesn't burn down, it should be in good shape!
<grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 6:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Isn't that the basis of "survival of the fittest" and all that?  We
survive conflict, learn from it, and become better fit to...

I know a couple of developers who took their ball and went home (Back to
Access-L if I recall) after a run-in with me.  Others just kicked sand
in my face n stayed on (Drew for example).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Martin,  hasn't everyone who came on this list had a long argument with
JC? Are you saying we only begin to learn after we've had said long
argument?


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Yip. When I came on tho this list (lot of years now) and had a long
argument with JC I started to learn. Today I have two books published,
numerous articles and I am currrently working for the Microsoft Office
Team. None of this would have been possible without the likes of John
Colby, William, Rocky, Arthur, Mike Gunderloy and the other great
developers on this list. Not forgetting Susuan Harkins. The other day I
got an email that was addressed to myself and three others. I sat and
looked at it but for this list and the ideas, arguments and teaching
that has taken place I would not be here at all.

But outside of that its the friends I have made here that mean more than
anything else.

I have to name John Colby and Susan. Two people who give freely of their
time and expertise to others. Susan in particular has opened so many
doors for me in the Database world. Arthur Fuller as well who I think
does more of list than he does on.

Martin

Quoting John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:

> Ron,
>
> I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,

> faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth
> be known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy,

> I still
> have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".
>
> I remember my first job in Access.  I came from programming, but it
> wasn't event driven.  I was sooooo lost.  I sold myself for well under

> 1/2 my normal wage because the company was willing to let me read and
> learn what I
> had to learn to do their database.  4 hours reading, 6-8 hours
working,
> 6
> days a week (the company's old db was dying a painful death).  This
was
> 1994
> and there was no (widely available) internet, in fact not even an
> Access
> Users Group.  I was one of the founding members and board member of
the
> San
> Diego Access Users Group and loved having someplace I could go once a
> month
> to talk about Access.  MAN, it was LONELY out there back then.
>
> This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan,
> demented cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well
> you get the
> picture.  <ducking REAL low>
>
> Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:04 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
>
>
> My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of

> dogs,
> and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly
though,
> I
> agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think

> concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and
> new territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power
> programming'
> approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever
> offer
> (partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original
> posts).
> I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
> venerable list members.
> Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!
>
> Ron
>
>
>
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  9 19:43:01 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 19:43:01 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B40@main2.marlow.com>

And static IP's?

I get 1.5 meg down, with 256k up.  Also 5 static IPs (free domain routing,
etc.)

Where I am at, cable might be slow.  At my old place, broadband cable was
not available (long story).

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 7:33 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Ahhh you poor soul.  I get internet over my cable.  I get 4 mbit (yes, you
read correct) - BETTER than 450 KBYTES / sec transfer rate on files
(download of course) for a mere $30.  Of course I also have to take the
"Family" package which runs $40 but Mary is a TVaholic - or was before we
got Robbie.  And of course, I live way out of town, on a country road with
virtually no one else on my cable leg.  Still, I get superb bandwidth for
not a lot of money!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 8:16 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


I don't know about the odds, but I am certainly not putting money on
it...that's for sure! <grin>

As far as SBC, I didn't really have much of a choice.  I live in Mckinney,
Texas, which is just north of Dallas.  In fact, it is just barely outside
what is considered the DFW metroplex (Dallas/Fort Worth).  It's not
completely 'the back woods', but it's close.  Unfortunately, my choices
continue to get narrower.  Covad pulled out of the entire metroplex about 2
years ago, IP Communications went bankrupt, which left SBC or Internet
America.  Since Internet America (Texas based) actually sub contract SBC for
connections in my area, I'd be using SBC either way! <grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 6:44 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Uh, Drew?  Given your track record so far, what are the odds? <VBG>  I
wish you had picked someone besides SBC.  Now I'm going to worry about
my DSL service! <LOL>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:38 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


I think that is why I took on the Archives, because I want my
grandchildren to be able to look back on this List with pride! <VBG>.

By the way, everyone, I FINALLY got my domain switched to my new IP
Address. So now when you go to http://wolfwares.com, it keeps the domain
name in the Address, instead of switching it to the IP Address, which
was caused by the web redirect I had in place.  As long as SBC stays in
business, and my building doesn't burn down, it should be in good shape!
<grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 6:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Isn't that the basis of "survival of the fittest" and all that?  We
survive conflict, learn from it, and become better fit to...

I know a couple of developers who took their ball and went home (Back to
Access-L if I recall) after a run-in with me.  Others just kicked sand
in my face n stayed on (Drew for example).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Martin,  hasn't everyone who came on this list had a long argument with
JC? Are you saying we only begin to learn after we've had said long
argument?


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Yip. When I came on tho this list (lot of years now) and had a long
argument with JC I started to learn. Today I have two books published,
numerous articles and I am currrently working for the Microsoft Office
Team. None of this would have been possible without the likes of John
Colby, William, Rocky, Arthur, Mike Gunderloy and the other great
developers on this list. Not forgetting Susuan Harkins. The other day I
got an email that was addressed to myself and three others. I sat and
looked at it but for this list and the ideas, arguments and teaching
that has taken place I would not be here at all.

But outside of that its the friends I have made here that mean more than
anything else.

I have to name John Colby and Susan. Two people who give freely of their
time and expertise to others. Susan in particular has opened so many
doors for me in the Database world. Arthur Fuller as well who I think
does more of list than he does on.

Martin

Quoting John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:

> Ron,
>
> I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,

> faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth
> be known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy,

> I still
> have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".
>
> I remember my first job in Access.  I came from programming, but it
> wasn't event driven.  I was sooooo lost.  I sold myself for well under

> 1/2 my normal wage because the company was willing to let me read and
> learn what I
> had to learn to do their database.  4 hours reading, 6-8 hours
working,
> 6
> days a week (the company's old db was dying a painful death).  This
was
> 1994
> and there was no (widely available) internet, in fact not even an
> Access
> Users Group.  I was one of the founding members and board member of
the
> San
> Diego Access Users Group and loved having someplace I could go once a
> month
> to talk about Access.  MAN, it was LONELY out there back then.
>
> This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan,
> demented cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well
> you get the
> picture.  <ducking REAL low>
>
> Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:04 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
>
>
> My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of

> dogs,
> and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly
though,
> I
> agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think

> concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and
> new territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power
> programming'
> approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever
> offer
> (partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original
> posts).
> I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
> venerable list members.
> Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!
>
> Ron
>
>
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May  9 19:56:37 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 20:56:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B40@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEEMDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Nope, no static IPs.  If I want that it's $110 for the "business package".
You didn't say what yours is costing though.  To be honest, my cable is so
fast I haven't bothered looking at DSL.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 8:43 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


And static IP's?

I get 1.5 meg down, with 256k up.  Also 5 static IPs (free domain routing,
etc.)

Where I am at, cable might be slow.  At my old place, broadband cable was
not available (long story).

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 7:33 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Ahhh you poor soul.  I get internet over my cable.  I get 4 mbit (yes, you
read correct) - BETTER than 450 KBYTES / sec transfer rate on files
(download of course) for a mere $30.  Of course I also have to take the
"Family" package which runs $40 but Mary is a TVaholic - or was before we
got Robbie.  And of course, I live way out of town, on a country road with
virtually no one else on my cable leg.  Still, I get superb bandwidth for
not a lot of money!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 8:16 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


I don't know about the odds, but I am certainly not putting money on
it...that's for sure! <grin>

As far as SBC, I didn't really have much of a choice.  I live in Mckinney,
Texas, which is just north of Dallas.  In fact, it is just barely outside
what is considered the DFW metroplex (Dallas/Fort Worth).  It's not
completely 'the back woods', but it's close.  Unfortunately, my choices
continue to get narrower.  Covad pulled out of the entire metroplex about 2
years ago, IP Communications went bankrupt, which left SBC or Internet
America.  Since Internet America (Texas based) actually sub contract SBC for
connections in my area, I'd be using SBC either way! <grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 6:44 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Uh, Drew?  Given your track record so far, what are the odds? <VBG>  I
wish you had picked someone besides SBC.  Now I'm going to worry about
my DSL service! <LOL>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:38 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


I think that is why I took on the Archives, because I want my
grandchildren to be able to look back on this List with pride! <VBG>.

By the way, everyone, I FINALLY got my domain switched to my new IP
Address. So now when you go to http://wolfwares.com, it keeps the domain
name in the Address, instead of switching it to the IP Address, which
was caused by the web redirect I had in place.  As long as SBC stays in
business, and my building doesn't burn down, it should be in good shape!
<grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 6:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Isn't that the basis of "survival of the fittest" and all that?  We
survive conflict, learn from it, and become better fit to...

I know a couple of developers who took their ball and went home (Back to
Access-L if I recall) after a run-in with me.  Others just kicked sand
in my face n stayed on (Drew for example).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Martin,  hasn't everyone who came on this list had a long argument with
JC? Are you saying we only begin to learn after we've had said long
argument?


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Yip. When I came on tho this list (lot of years now) and had a long
argument with JC I started to learn. Today I have two books published,
numerous articles and I am currrently working for the Microsoft Office
Team. None of this would have been possible without the likes of John
Colby, William, Rocky, Arthur, Mike Gunderloy and the other great
developers on this list. Not forgetting Susuan Harkins. The other day I
got an email that was addressed to myself and three others. I sat and
looked at it but for this list and the ideas, arguments and teaching
that has taken place I would not be here at all.

But outside of that its the friends I have made here that mean more than
anything else.

I have to name John Colby and Susan. Two people who give freely of their
time and expertise to others. Susan in particular has opened so many
doors for me in the Database world. Arthur Fuller as well who I think
does more of list than he does on.

Martin

Quoting John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:

> Ron,
>
> I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,

> faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth
> be known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy,

> I still
> have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".
>
> I remember my first job in Access.  I came from programming, but it
> wasn't event driven.  I was sooooo lost.  I sold myself for well under

> 1/2 my normal wage because the company was willing to let me read and
> learn what I
> had to learn to do their database.  4 hours reading, 6-8 hours
working,
> 6
> days a week (the company's old db was dying a painful death).  This
was
> 1994
> and there was no (widely available) internet, in fact not even an
> Access
> Users Group.  I was one of the founding members and board member of
the
> San
> Diego Access Users Group and loved having someplace I could go once a
> month
> to talk about Access.  MAN, it was LONELY out there back then.
>
> This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan,
> demented cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well
> you get the
> picture.  <ducking REAL low>
>
> Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:04 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
>
>
> My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of

> dogs,
> and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly
though,
> I
> agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think

> concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and
> new territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power
> programming'
> approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever
> offer
> (partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original
> posts).
> I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
> venerable list members.
> Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!
>
> Ron
>
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri May  9 20:14:29 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 18:14:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
In-Reply-To:  <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F33@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFIECCCIAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Charlotte:

Thank you for that little tip.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:55 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization


I've maintained network data using Visio in the past, if that applies.
Be careful about numeric values though because unless you do a lot of
careful tweaking to your Visio FE shapes' properties, you'll wind up
with doubles in the BE, whether that's what you wanted or not.  As you
might expect, doubles aren't terribly useful for MAC addresses, etc..
<G>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 1:33 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization


William:

Not I, but I have used it on a MS SQL a few times, it finds the schema,
displays the structure and fields, I make a few changes, upload and
amazingly the DB and data is still there after all is said and done.
Works like the BackEnd Upgrader (BEU) from Bryan Carbonnell, Reuben
Cummings and Andy Lacey but for SQL.

I didn't know it could be used as a FE user interface... I would like to
hear more.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:08 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization


Jim...anyone

...I'm just now really getting into Visio ...has anyone here integrated
it with Access in an application? ...my intent is to use it as the
primary user interface with a tradeshow booth booking app and I'm
looking for anyone who's done something similar.

William Hindman
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:02 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization


> Hi Arthur:
>
> What do you think of MS Viso as a design tools?
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur 
> Fuller
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:16 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization
>
>
> Great concept, a normalization tool!
>
> "Yo, dumbass, these columns should be a related table, click OK to
overrule
> yo dumbass design, foo!" :-)
>
> AFAIK no one has built it yet.
>
> I'm a big fan of database-design tools such as Erwin, PowerDesigner 
> and
(my
> fave lately) DeZign, which costs 1/10 of the price of the 
> aforementioned
and
> delivers almost all their functionality. Said tools can inhale a db 
> and
turn
> it into a model and let you remodel it and then exhale a db to a list 
> of targets, automatically converting data types etc. You can inhale 
> Access
and
> exhale MySQL if that's what you want, or Oracle or DB2 or MS-SQL or
Sybase.
>
> When I work on a new project, I spend a lot of time in DeZign before
writing
> a line of code. When I work on an existing project, first thing I do 
> is import it into DeZign. It vaguely resembles the Access 
> Relationships
window
> but offers many more benefits, most notably Domains.
>
> (I own no shares in this company; I'm just a satisfied user.)
>
> Back to your question. If the db Admins have not granted her 
> sufficient privs to export definitions then there is no simple way 
> around it. She is asking either for hacker tools or for increased 
> privs.
>
> Secondly, why export table definitions to Excel? Why not simple ascii
files
> that you can run in QA to rebuild structures?
>
> Arthur
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gale Perez
> Sent: May 8, 2003 6:46 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Access Normalization
>
>
> Hello!
>
> I haven't posted for quite a while (have been working
> in Oracle, am now doing project management and working
> on some Access tracking DBs).  It's nice to be back
> and see familiar names :)
>
> Is there a way to export Access table definitions into
> Excel or into a normalization tool (we're using
> Brackets)?  I'm asking on someone else's behalf and
> she has tried Export but gets the message that she
> doesn't have permissions (it's not a secured
> database).  Can you access the data dictionary with
> SQL statements?
>
> Thank you for any assistance,
> Gale
>
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri May  9 20:24:31 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 18:24:31 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
In-Reply-To: <MJEFLPNLACJJDBCHNLAGKEPPCCAA.scapistrant@symphonyinfo.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFKECCCIAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

It sure sounds like Visio can be a very useful tool...everyone has their own
favourite reason for using it; create user FEs, BE upgrader, Presentation
tool and some people probably using it as a design modeller. :-)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Steve
Capistrant
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:54 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization


I love Visio.  Not so much for the design stage (its faster to mock up in
Access), but to publish the data model to customers.  You can export your
Access data model to Visio really easily and then arrange the tables using
as much real estate as you want.  Then bring your file to Kinko's and have
them print a 2'x3' poster of your data model.  The power users within the
customer's organization are in heaven (assuming you provide them with some
method of being exposed to the data for custom querying and reporting.).

Steve Capistrant
scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com
Phone: 612-333-1311
Symphony Information Services
www.symphonyinfo.com
212 3rd Ave N, Ste 404
Minneapolis, MN 55401


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:08 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization


Jim...anyone

...I'm just now really getting into Visio ...has anyone here integrated it
with Access in an application?
...my intent is to use it as the primary user interface with a tradeshow
booth booking app and I'm looking for anyone who's done something similar.

William Hindman
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:02 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization


> Hi Arthur:
>
> What do you think of MS Viso as a design tools?
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:16 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization
>
>
> Great concept, a normalization tool!
>
> "Yo, dumbass, these columns should be a related table, click OK to
overrule
> yo dumbass design, foo!" :-)
>
> AFAIK no one has built it yet.
>
> I'm a big fan of database-design tools such as Erwin, PowerDesigner and
(my
> fave lately) DeZign, which costs 1/10 of the price of the aforementioned
and
> delivers almost all their functionality. Said tools can inhale a db and
turn
> it into a model and let you remodel it and then exhale a db to a list of
> targets, automatically converting data types etc. You can inhale Access
and
> exhale MySQL if that's what you want, or Oracle or DB2 or MS-SQL or
Sybase.
>
> When I work on a new project, I spend a lot of time in DeZign before
writing
> a line of code. When I work on an existing project, first thing I do is
> import it into DeZign. It vaguely resembles the Access Relationships
window
> but offers many more benefits, most notably Domains.
>
> (I own no shares in this company; I'm just a satisfied user.)
>
> Back to your question. If the db Admins have not granted her sufficient
> privs to export definitions then there is no simple way around it. She is
> asking either for hacker tools or for increased privs.
>
> Secondly, why export table definitions to Excel? Why not simple ascii
files
> that you can run in QA to rebuild structures?
>
> Arthur
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gale Perez
> Sent: May 8, 2003 6:46 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Access Normalization
>
>
> Hello!
>
> I haven't posted for quite a while (have been working
> in Oracle, am now doing project management and working
> on some Access tracking DBs).  It's nice to be back
> and see familiar names :)
>
> Is there a way to export Access table definitions into
> Excel or into a normalization tool (we're using
> Brackets)?  I'm asking on someone else's behalf and
> she has tried Export but gets the message that she
> doesn't have permissions (it's not a secured
> database).  Can you access the data dictionary with
> SQL statements?
>
> Thank you for any assistance,
> Gale
>
>
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Fri May  9 20:25:59 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 21:25:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
References: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFIECCCIAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <001c01c31693$1d28e9d0$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

...did we ever get a dba-Visio list started? ...is there enough interest in
one to make it worthwhile?

William Hindman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 9:14 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization


> Charlotte:
>
> Thank you for that little tip.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:55 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
>
>
> I've maintained network data using Visio in the past, if that applies.
> Be careful about numeric values though because unless you do a lot of
> careful tweaking to your Visio FE shapes' properties, you'll wind up
> with doubles in the BE, whether that's what you wanted or not.  As you
> might expect, doubles aren't terribly useful for MAC addresses, etc..
> <G>
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca]
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 1:33 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
>
>
> William:
>
> Not I, but I have used it on a MS SQL a few times, it finds the schema,
> displays the structure and fields, I make a few changes, upload and
> amazingly the DB and data is still there after all is said and done.
> Works like the BackEnd Upgrader (BEU) from Bryan Carbonnell, Reuben
> Cummings and Andy Lacey but for SQL.
>
> I didn't know it could be used as a FE user interface... I would like to
> hear more.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:08 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
>
>
> Jim...anyone
>
> ...I'm just now really getting into Visio ...has anyone here integrated
> it with Access in an application? ...my intent is to use it as the
> primary user interface with a tradeshow booth booking app and I'm
> looking for anyone who's done something similar.
>
> William Hindman
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:02 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization
>
>
> > Hi Arthur:
> >
> > What do you think of MS Viso as a design tools?
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur
> > Fuller
> > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:16 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization
> >
> >
> > Great concept, a normalization tool!
> >
> > "Yo, dumbass, these columns should be a related table, click OK to
> overrule
> > yo dumbass design, foo!" :-)
> >
> > AFAIK no one has built it yet.
> >
> > I'm a big fan of database-design tools such as Erwin, PowerDesigner
> > and
> (my
> > fave lately) DeZign, which costs 1/10 of the price of the
> > aforementioned
> and
> > delivers almost all their functionality. Said tools can inhale a db
> > and
> turn
> > it into a model and let you remodel it and then exhale a db to a list
> > of targets, automatically converting data types etc. You can inhale
> > Access
> and
> > exhale MySQL if that's what you want, or Oracle or DB2 or MS-SQL or
> Sybase.
> >
> > When I work on a new project, I spend a lot of time in DeZign before
> writing
> > a line of code. When I work on an existing project, first thing I do
> > is import it into DeZign. It vaguely resembles the Access
> > Relationships
> window
> > but offers many more benefits, most notably Domains.
> >
> > (I own no shares in this company; I'm just a satisfied user.)
> >
> > Back to your question. If the db Admins have not granted her
> > sufficient privs to export definitions then there is no simple way
> > around it. She is asking either for hacker tools or for increased
> > privs.
> >
> > Secondly, why export table definitions to Excel? Why not simple ascii
> files
> > that you can run in QA to rebuild structures?
> >
> > Arthur
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gale Perez
> > Sent: May 8, 2003 6:46 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Access Normalization
> >
> >
> > Hello!
> >
> > I haven't posted for quite a while (have been working
> > in Oracle, am now doing project management and working
> > on some Access tracking DBs).  It's nice to be back
> > and see familiar names :)
> >
> > Is there a way to export Access table definitions into
> > Excel or into a normalization tool (we're using
> > Brackets)?  I'm asking on someone else's behalf and
> > she has tried Export but gets the message that she
> > doesn't have permissions (it's not a secured
> > database).  Can you access the data dictionary with
> > SQL statements?
> >
> > Thank you for any assistance,
> > Gale
> >
> >
> > __________________________________
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com
>
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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> >
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  9 20:58:43 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 20:58:43 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B41@main2.marlow.com>

I pay $79 a month....(That's for bandwidth, static IP's, etc.)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 7:57 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Nope, no static IPs.  If I want that it's $110 for the "business package".
You didn't say what yours is costing though.  To be honest, my cable is so
fast I haven't bothered looking at DSL.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 8:43 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


And static IP's?

I get 1.5 meg down, with 256k up.  Also 5 static IPs (free domain routing,
etc.)

Where I am at, cable might be slow.  At my old place, broadband cable was
not available (long story).

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 7:33 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Ahhh you poor soul.  I get internet over my cable.  I get 4 mbit (yes, you
read correct) - BETTER than 450 KBYTES / sec transfer rate on files
(download of course) for a mere $30.  Of course I also have to take the
"Family" package which runs $40 but Mary is a TVaholic - or was before we
got Robbie.  And of course, I live way out of town, on a country road with
virtually no one else on my cable leg.  Still, I get superb bandwidth for
not a lot of money!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 8:16 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


I don't know about the odds, but I am certainly not putting money on
it...that's for sure! <grin>

As far as SBC, I didn't really have much of a choice.  I live in Mckinney,
Texas, which is just north of Dallas.  In fact, it is just barely outside
what is considered the DFW metroplex (Dallas/Fort Worth).  It's not
completely 'the back woods', but it's close.  Unfortunately, my choices
continue to get narrower.  Covad pulled out of the entire metroplex about 2
years ago, IP Communications went bankrupt, which left SBC or Internet
America.  Since Internet America (Texas based) actually sub contract SBC for
connections in my area, I'd be using SBC either way! <grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 6:44 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Uh, Drew?  Given your track record so far, what are the odds? <VBG>  I
wish you had picked someone besides SBC.  Now I'm going to worry about
my DSL service! <LOL>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:38 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


I think that is why I took on the Archives, because I want my
grandchildren to be able to look back on this List with pride! <VBG>.

By the way, everyone, I FINALLY got my domain switched to my new IP
Address. So now when you go to http://wolfwares.com, it keeps the domain
name in the Address, instead of switching it to the IP Address, which
was caused by the web redirect I had in place.  As long as SBC stays in
business, and my building doesn't burn down, it should be in good shape!
<grin>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 6:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Isn't that the basis of "survival of the fittest" and all that?  We
survive conflict, learn from it, and become better fit to...

I know a couple of developers who took their ball and went home (Back to
Access-L if I recall) after a run-in with me.  Others just kicked sand
in my face n stayed on (Drew for example).

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Martin,  hasn't everyone who came on this list had a long argument with
JC? Are you saying we only begin to learn after we've had said long
argument?


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:39 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


Yip. When I came on tho this list (lot of years now) and had a long
argument with JC I started to learn. Today I have two books published,
numerous articles and I am currrently working for the Microsoft Office
Team. None of this would have been possible without the likes of John
Colby, William, Rocky, Arthur, Mike Gunderloy and the other great
developers on this list. Not forgetting Susuan Harkins. The other day I
got an email that was addressed to myself and three others. I sat and
looked at it but for this list and the ideas, arguments and teaching
that has taken place I would not be here at all.

But outside of that its the friends I have made here that mean more than
anything else.

I have to name John Colby and Susan. Two people who give freely of their
time and expertise to others. Susan in particular has opened so many
doors for me in the Database world. Arthur Fuller as well who I think
does more of list than he does on.

Martin

Quoting John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:

> Ron,
>
> I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,

> faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth
> be known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy,

> I still
> have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".
>
> I remember my first job in Access.  I came from programming, but it
> wasn't event driven.  I was sooooo lost.  I sold myself for well under

> 1/2 my normal wage because the company was willing to let me read and
> learn what I
> had to learn to do their database.  4 hours reading, 6-8 hours
working,
> 6
> days a week (the company's old db was dying a painful death).  This
was
> 1994
> and there was no (widely available) internet, in fact not even an
> Access
> Users Group.  I was one of the founding members and board member of
the
> San
> Diego Access Users Group and loved having someplace I could go once a
> month
> to talk about Access.  MAN, it was LONELY out there back then.
>
> This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan,
> demented cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well
> you get the
> picture.  <ducking REAL low>
>
> Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:04 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> subquery
>
>
> My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of

> dogs,
> and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly
though,
> I
> agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think

> concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and
> new territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power
> programming'
> approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever
> offer
> (partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original
> posts).
> I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
> venerable list members.
> Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!
>
> Ron
>
>
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri May  9 21:03:38 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 12:03:38 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
In-Reply-To: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A047@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>
Message-ID: <3EBCEA9A.22331.BF0A06@localhost>

On 10 May 2003 at 7:24, Haslett, Andrew wrote:


> Stuart, I am 99% certain that @@Idenity operates on that particulart
> instance of a connection and that you will never get the autonumber
> from another users' INSERT.  I'm happy for you to proove me wrong
> though!!  In fact, it wouldn't be to hard to test, simply need to step
> through the code just before executing the @@Identity statement and
> inserting a record manually into the table, then seeing what
> @@IDentity returns.  Might go test it myself!!
> 

That's essentially what I said  in my last post :-)

>> If you are using an Acces BE with Jet 4 and only updating one 
>> table with the connection, it's safe 


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri May  9 21:12:05 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 12:12:05 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B41@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <3EBCEC95.22007.C6C8C2@localhost>

My dialup costs me over $US100 per month   :-(

On 9 May 2003 at 20:58, Drew Wutka wrote:

> I pay $79 a month....(That's for bandwidth, static IP's, etc.)
> 
> Drew
> 


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May  9 21:32:54 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 21:32:54 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B42@main2.marlow.com>

No way to get satellite?  How much is the International LD?  It may be
cheaper to dial in through someone in the US, and just pay for their second
phone line (which is about $10 a month)!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 9:12 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


My dialup costs me over $US100 per month   :-(

On 9 May 2003 at 20:58, Drew Wutka wrote:

> I pay $79 a month....(That's for bandwidth, static IP's, etc.)
> 
> Drew
> 


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri May  9 23:05:34 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 21:05:34 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
In-Reply-To: <3EBCEC95.22007.C6C8C2@localhost>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFKECECIAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Stuart:

I have heard of these places in some states...in what region do you
live...??

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 7:12 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


My dialup costs me over $US100 per month   :-(

On 9 May 2003 at 20:58, Drew Wutka wrote:

> I pay $79 a month....(That's for bandwidth, static IP's, etc.)
>
> Drew
>


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat May 10 00:21:45 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 15:21:45 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B42@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <3EBD1909.31624.1746BF1@localhost>

No satellite available.  Inernational is about $US1 per minute to US 
so I would get about 3.3 minutes per day for SUS100 per month :-(


On 9 May 2003 at 21:32, Drew Wutka wrote:

> No way to get satellite?  How much is the International LD?  It may be
> cheaper to dial in through someone in the US, and just pay for their
> second phone line (which is about $10 a month)!
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg]
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 9:12 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
> 
> 
> My dialup costs me over $US100 per month   :-(
> 
> On 9 May 2003 at 20:58, Drew Wutka wrote:
> 
> > I pay $79 a month....(That's for bandwidth, static IP's, etc.)
> > 
> > Drew
> > 
> 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat May 10 00:22:10 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 15:22:10 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
In-Reply-To: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFKECECIAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
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Message-ID: <3EBD1922.4709.174CFC6@localhost>

Melanesia (.pg = Papua New Guinea - just north of Australia and  east 
of Indonesia)


On 9 May 2003 at 21:05, Jim Lawrence (AccessD) wrote:

> Stuart:
> 
> I have heard of these places in some states...in what region do you
> live...??
> 
> Jim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
> McLachlan
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 7:12 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
> 
> 
> My dialup costs me over $US100 per month   :-(
> 
> On 9 May 2003 at 20:58, Drew Wutka wrote:
> 
> > I pay $79 a month....(That's for bandwidth, static IP's, etc.)
> >
> > Drew
> >
> 
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Sat May 10 03:18:27 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 09:18:27 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
In-Reply-To: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A047@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>
Message-ID: <007c01c316cc$bc0cc9c0$b274d0d5@andypc>

I can confirm that @@IDENTITY's no use in A97/Jet 3. Tried it and it
errors. Shucks.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Haslett, Andrew
> Sent: 09 May 2003 22:55
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> 
> 
> Sorry guys I was away yesterday.
> 
> If you are using Access as the backend and you are adding new 
> records through ADO code, then you can use @@Identity to 
> return the autonumber created with *that particular connection*.  
> 
> Try to think of it that you are actally creating a *new instance of a
> connection* every time a record is entered (even though you 
> are probably using 'CurrentProject.Connection'). Therefore 
> because this is a connection on its own, in a multi-user 
> database, where multiple users are adding records, you are 
> still *guaranteed* to return the autonumber of the record 
> created for *that specific user*.
> 
> That it the advantage of @@Idenitiy compared to other 
> methods. It is tied in to that particular connection (or 
> statement) that created the record. Whereas if you tried to 
> use something like SELECT MAX(ID) to get the last created 
> record, then there is a danger that another record was 
> created in the meantime by another user.
> 
> Stuart, I am 99% certain that @@Idenity operates on that 
> particulart instance of a connection and that you will never 
> get the autonumber from another users' INSERT.  I'm happy for 
> you to proove me wrong though!!  In fact, it wouldn't be to 
> hard to test, simply need to step through the code just 
> before executing the @@Identity statement and inserting a 
> record manually into the table, then seeing what @@IDentity 
> returns.  Might go test it myself!!
> 
> Quick reminder that I don't think @@Identity will work in 
> Access 97 as it was only introduced in Jet4.0 to satisfy us 
> web coders!.  Not sre if this has been posted but this is the 
> KB article (watch wrapping):
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.
> microsoft.com:
> 80/support/kb/articles/Q232/1/44.ASP&NoWebContent=1
> 
> Also, in an earlier post I mentioned 'transaction' which was 
> a poor choice of phrase. I was just trying to explain that 
> each 'connection' was unique for that user.
> 
> Hope this helps!
> Cheers,
> Andrew
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg]
> Sent: Friday, 9 May 2003 9:22 PM
> To: Gustav Brock; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New ID/Autonumber value
> 
> 
> In Jet 4 it's on a per connection basis. In SQL Server, it's a system 
> variable. So it depends on whether you Backend is  Access or SQL 
> Server.
> 
> If you are using an Acces BE with Jet 4 and only updating one table 
> with the connection, it's safe - if it's an SQL Server BE or the same 
> connection updates multiple tables in an Acces BE,  it's not.
> 
> 
> On 9 May 2003 at 10:35, Gustav Brock wrote:
> 
> > Hi Andrew and Stuart et al
> > 
> > I'm confused!
> > 
> > Andrew wrote:
> > 
> > It is safer as  @@Identity is linked only to the connection (or
> > transaction) which created the record.
> > 
> > Otherwise you are risking that another user will insert a record 
> > in-between adding and retrieving the ID of the record added by the 
> > first user.
> > 
> > I'm not sure if that is a risk using the other methods mentioned on 
> > this list, however I *do* now that with @@Identity there is 
> no risk of 
> > this happening.
> > 
> > but Stuart wrote:
> > 
> > > @@Identity is a system wide variable. It returns the last 
> autonumber 
> > > generated by the system. You certainly can't rely on it 
> to return a 
> > > particular record number in either a multi user system or in a 
> > > system where you are inserting into more than one table with 
> > > autonumbers keys in the same transaction.
> > 
> > So now, what to believe?
> > 
> > /gustav
> > 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat May 10 03:32:50 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 10:32:50 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] ORA-00937: not a single-group group function
In-Reply-To: <0F9AF20DCECA7A44B075FCA26ECE3E6F06AAF8@pe2kdc1.fxfwest.freight.fedex.com>
References:  <0F9AF20DCECA7A44B075FCA26ECE3E6F06AAF8@pe2kdc1.fxfwest.freight.fedex.com>
Message-ID: <253705167.20030510103250@cactus.dk>

Hi Paul

Not having an Oracle instance running, I just wonder if you can omit
"distinct" from the first line?

/gustav


> I'm receiving the error above when doing this query. I'm trying to count and sum a few fields (with filter on account level and fb_no) while putting the total (filtered to account level) in another
> field in the same sql query using a subquery.  

> Here is a sample output.
> Filtered = 30 records
> All (unfiltered) 100 records

> Bills, Wt, LbClass, WtdClass, TotalBills
> 30, .., .., .., 100

> Can anyone please help!
> Thanks,
> Paul Millard


> select distinct
> Count(Distinct t1.mai_fb_no) Bills,
> Sum(t2.mai_fb_item_weight) Wt,
> Sum(t2.mai_fb_item_weight*t3.dw_freight_class_id) LbClass,
> Sum(t2.mai_fb_item_weight*t3.dw_freight_class_id)/Sum(t2.mai_fb_item_weight) WtdClass,
> /*begin subquery*/
> (select 
> Count(t1.mai_fb_no) Bills
> from
> mai_shipment t1,
> dw_customer t4,
> dw_date t5
> where
> t1.mai_shipper_key=t4.dw_cust_key and
> t1.mai_dl_date_key=t5.dw_date_key and
> t4.dw_cust_old_number='SNM2904SFR' and
> t5.dw_day_date between to_date('2003-03-04 00:00:00', 'YYYY-MM-DD HH24:MI:SS') and 
> to_date('2003-03-04 00:00:00', 'YYYY-MM-DD HH24:MI:SS')) As TotalBills
> /*end subquery*/
> from
> mai_shipment t1,
> mai_shipment_item t2,
> dw_freight_class t3,
> dw_customer t4,
> dw_date t5
> where
> t1.mai_fb_no=t2.mai_fb_no and
> t1.mai_fb_suf=t2.mai_fb_suf and
> t2.mai_freight_class_key=t3.dw_freight_class_key and
> t1.mai_shipper_key=t4.dw_cust_key and
> t1.mai_dl_date_key=t5.dw_date_key and
> t2.mai_fb_item_weight>0 and
> t3.dw_freight_class_id Is Not Null and
> t1.mai_fb_no In('747938850', '936046135') and
> t5.dw_day_date between to_date('2003-03-04 00:00:00', 'YYYY-MM-DD HH24:MI:SS') and 
> to_date('2003-03-04 00:00:00', 'YYYY-MM-DD HH24:MI:SS')


From artful at rogers.com  Sat May 10 06:06:08 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 07:06:08 -0400
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEDBDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <021101c316e4$28d4dfe0$8e01a8c0@Rock>

Now that you have discovered our conspiracy, JC, we have to kill you.

A.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: May 9, 2003 1:01 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


Naw, it's more likely that people like Susan, Martin and Arthur all write
for these newsletters.  They are list members, and when they see a good
topic, they write an article.  Since an article can only be sold to a single
newsletter, they all get together and discuss who's gonna write up the tip
for which newsletter.  Susan sells to one, Martin to another, Arthur to
another.  Etc.

No law says they each can't write on the same SUBJECT but for a different
newsletter.

And if they didn't before, they will now.  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From artful at rogers.com  Sat May 10 06:17:49 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 07:17:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Normalization Tools - was Access Normalization
In-Reply-To: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFOEBKCIAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <021401c316e5$caa68b60$8e01a8c0@Rock>

I haven't used it much, since I have PowerDesigner, DeZign and Erwin. It
seemed ok but less powerful than the three I have, so I just shelved it.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
Sent: May 9, 2003 5:03 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization


Hi Arthur:

What do you think of MS Viso as a design tools?

Jim



From artful at rogers.com  Sat May 10 06:21:05 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 07:21:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F36@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <021501c316e6$3f408cf0$8e01a8c0@Rock>

That's a cool feature that may be enough to un-shelve Visio.

A.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: May 9, 2003 5:58 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization


You can also publish the schema to HTML, complete with jumps between tables
and pages.  Then they can view it in their browser.

Charlotte Foust



From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Sat May 10 07:38:05 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 14:38:05 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
References: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFIECCCIAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
	<001c01c31693$1d28e9d0$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>
Message-ID: <076f01c316f2$62077b20$0300a8c0@S856>

there are 38 subscribers on this list 

Lembit Soobik

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 3:25 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization


> ...did we ever get a dba-Visio list started? ...is there enough interest in
> one to make it worthwhile?
> 
> William Hindman
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 9:14 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
> 
> 
> > Charlotte:
> >
> > Thank you for that little tip.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
> > Foust
> > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:55 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
> >
> >
> > I've maintained network data using Visio in the past, if that applies.
> > Be careful about numeric values though because unless you do a lot of
> > careful tweaking to your Visio FE shapes' properties, you'll wind up
> > with doubles in the BE, whether that's what you wanted or not.  As you
> > might expect, doubles aren't terribly useful for MAC addresses, etc..
> > <G>
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca]
> > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 1:33 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
> >
> >
> > William:
> >
> > Not I, but I have used it on a MS SQL a few times, it finds the schema,
> > displays the structure and fields, I make a few changes, upload and
> > amazingly the DB and data is still there after all is said and done.
> > Works like the BackEnd Upgrader (BEU) from Bryan Carbonnell, Reuben
> > Cummings and Andy Lacey but for SQL.
> >
> > I didn't know it could be used as a FE user interface... I would like to
> > hear more.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> > Hindman
> > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:08 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
> >
> >
> > Jim...anyone
> >
> > ...I'm just now really getting into Visio ...has anyone here integrated
> > it with Access in an application? ...my intent is to use it as the
> > primary user interface with a tradeshow booth booking app and I'm
> > looking for anyone who's done something similar.
> >
> > William Hindman
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:02 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization
> >
> >
> > > Hi Arthur:
> > >
> > > What do you think of MS Viso as a design tools?
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur
> > > Fuller
> > > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:16 AM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization
> > >
> > >
> > > Great concept, a normalization tool!
> > >
> > > "Yo, dumbass, these columns should be a related table, click OK to
> > overrule
> > > yo dumbass design, foo!" :-)
> > >
> > > AFAIK no one has built it yet.
> > >
> > > I'm a big fan of database-design tools such as Erwin, PowerDesigner
> > > and
> > (my
> > > fave lately) DeZign, which costs 1/10 of the price of the
> > > aforementioned
> > and
> > > delivers almost all their functionality. Said tools can inhale a db
> > > and
> > turn
> > > it into a model and let you remodel it and then exhale a db to a list
> > > of targets, automatically converting data types etc. You can inhale
> > > Access
> > and
> > > exhale MySQL if that's what you want, or Oracle or DB2 or MS-SQL or
> > Sybase.
> > >
> > > When I work on a new project, I spend a lot of time in DeZign before
> > writing
> > > a line of code. When I work on an existing project, first thing I do
> > > is import it into DeZign. It vaguely resembles the Access
> > > Relationships
> > window
> > > but offers many more benefits, most notably Domains.
> > >
> > > (I own no shares in this company; I'm just a satisfied user.)
> > >
> > > Back to your question. If the db Admins have not granted her
> > > sufficient privs to export definitions then there is no simple way
> > > around it. She is asking either for hacker tools or for increased
> > > privs.
> > >
> > > Secondly, why export table definitions to Excel? Why not simple ascii
> > files
> > > that you can run in QA to rebuild structures?
> > >
> > > Arthur
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gale Perez
> > > Sent: May 8, 2003 6:46 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Access Normalization
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello!
> > >
> > > I haven't posted for quite a while (have been working
> > > in Oracle, am now doing project management and working
> > > on some Access tracking DBs).  It's nice to be back
> > > and see familiar names :)
> > >
> > > Is there a way to export Access table definitions into
> > > Excel or into a normalization tool (we're using
> > > Brackets)?  I'm asking on someone else's behalf and
> > > she has tried Export but gets the message that she
> > > doesn't have permissions (it's not a secured
> > > database).  Can you access the data dictionary with
> > > SQL statements?
> > >
> > > Thank you for any assistance,
> > > Gale
> > >
> > >
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> > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com
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From DElam at jenkens.com  Sat May 10 08:17:13 2003
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 08:17:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
Message-ID: <4AAC675EBAF3D411BCA200508BCFAA8E02F218A8@NATEXCH1>

I don't know if the two way satellite is available outside the US, but it
does not even need the phone line.  The only real problem we have had is
that VPNs are impossible per tech support.  Hunter figured out how to make
it work, but it is still a terrible connection.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 9:33 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


No way to get satellite?  How much is the International LD?  It may be
cheaper to dial in through someone in the US, and just pay for their second
phone line (which is about $10 a month)!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 9:12 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


My dialup costs me over $US100 per month   :-(

On 9 May 2003 at 20:58, Drew Wutka wrote:

> I pay $79 a month....(That's for bandwidth, static IP's, etc.)
> 
> Drew
> 


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From davesharpe2 at cox.net  Sat May 10 08:33:41 2003
From: davesharpe2 at cox.net (dave sharpe)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 09:33:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ORA-00937: not a single-group group function
References: 	<0F9AF20DCECA7A44B075FCA26ECE3E6F06AAF8@pe2kdc1.fxfwest.freight.fedex.com>
	<253705167.20030510103250@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <009801c316f8$c5a76bd0$1d270a44@bcs006137>

Paul

I think that you need a  "Group By" expression.
"Group by t1.mai_fb_no" or "group by Bills";
I don't remember which it wants ( field name
or alias ).

When using aggriate functions ( such as count
or sum ) there needs to be a "Group By"
section and all fields not summed need to
be listed in it.

Dave



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gustav Brock 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 4:32 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] ORA-00937: not a single-group group function


  Hi Paul

  Not having an Oracle instance running, I just wonder if you can omit
  "distinct" from the first line?

  /gustav


  > I'm receiving the error above when doing this query. I'm trying to count and sum a few fields (with filter on account level and fb_no) while putting the total (filtered to account level) in another
  > field in the same sql query using a subquery.  

  > Here is a sample output.
  > Filtered = 30 records
  > All (unfiltered) 100 records

  > Bills, Wt, LbClass, WtdClass, TotalBills
  > 30, .., .., .., 100

  > Can anyone please help!
  > Thanks,
  > Paul Millard


  > select distinct
  > Count(Distinct t1.mai_fb_no) Bills,
  > Sum(t2.mai_fb_item_weight) Wt,
  > Sum(t2.mai_fb_item_weight*t3.dw_freight_class_id) LbClass,
  > Sum(t2.mai_fb_item_weight*t3.dw_freight_class_id)/Sum(t2.mai_fb_item_weight) WtdClass,
  > /*begin subquery*/
  > (select 
  > Count(t1.mai_fb_no) Bills
  > from
  > mai_shipment t1,
  > dw_customer t4,
  > dw_date t5
  > where
  > t1.mai_shipper_key=t4.dw_cust_key and
  > t1.mai_dl_date_key=t5.dw_date_key and
  > t4.dw_cust_old_number='SNM2904SFR' and
  > t5.dw_day_date between to_date('2003-03-04 00:00:00', 'YYYY-MM-DD HH24:MI:SS') and 
  > to_date('2003-03-04 00:00:00', 'YYYY-MM-DD HH24:MI:SS')) As TotalBills
  > /*end subquery*/
  > from
  > mai_shipment t1,
  > mai_shipment_item t2,
  > dw_freight_class t3,
  > dw_customer t4,
  > dw_date t5
  > where
  > t1.mai_fb_no=t2.mai_fb_no and
  > t1.mai_fb_suf=t2.mai_fb_suf and
  > t2.mai_freight_class_key=t3.dw_freight_class_key and
  > t1.mai_shipper_key=t4.dw_cust_key and
  > t1.mai_dl_date_key=t5.dw_date_key and
  > t2.mai_fb_item_weight>0 and
  > t3.dw_freight_class_id Is Not Null and
  > t1.mai_fb_no In('747938850', '936046135') and
  > t5.dw_day_date between to_date('2003-03-04 00:00:00', 'YYYY-MM-DD HH24:MI:SS') and 
  > to_date('2003-03-04 00:00:00', 'YYYY-MM-DD HH24:MI:SS')

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat May 10 08:46:18 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 09:46:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
In-Reply-To: <4AAC675EBAF3D411BCA200508BCFAA8E02F218A8@NATEXCH1>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEGEDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

One of the problems with satellite is that they are parked in geosynchronous
orbit 24000 miles up above the equator.  This means that the roundtrip
distance the signal has to travel is more than 48,000 miles.  Since the
speed of light is ~186,300 miles / sec this means it will take a full
quarter of a second for your signal to get to the satellite and back to the
ground station.  Then another 1/4 second for the response to get back to
you.  So a MINIMUM of 1/2 second to ask for something and get a response,
just in signal travel time.

Yea, it works.  And yea, if you are in a location where that is the only
option then it is a damned fine option.  Otherwise it is less than optimum.
For example, Multi-player "live" games can get hairy when you see something
and can't "kill it" for a full 1/4 second longer than the opposition.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Elam, Debbie
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 9:17 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


I don't know if the two way satellite is available outside the US, but it
does not even need the phone line.  The only real problem we have had is
that VPNs are impossible per tech support.  Hunter figured out how to make
it work, but it is still a terrible connection.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 9:33 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


No way to get satellite?  How much is the International LD?  It may be
cheaper to dial in through someone in the US, and just pay for their second
phone line (which is about $10 a month)!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 9:12 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


My dialup costs me over $US100 per month   :-(

On 9 May 2003 at 20:58, Drew Wutka wrote:

> I pay $79 a month....(That's for bandwidth, static IP's, etc.)
>
> Drew
>


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From harkins at iglou.com  Sat May 10 10:20:29 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 11:20:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
Message-ID: <00c501c31707$b1efab70$c6e6ffcc@SusanOne>

I use Access to keep articles, etc. on schedule, keep up with invoicing,
etc. and it works just fine. The one thing I don't really know how to handle
is the following -- occasionally I want to note something that I may not
need for months -- and I can do that -- just don't really know how to go
about displaying it -- reminding myself to look -- know what I mean?

For instance, this past two weeks has been bad because of the weather. Even
though I have surge protectors, I still turn off everything when the
lightning starts and that's been hours every day for the past two weeks. I'm
grossly behind as a result. Now, what I need to do is make a note to myself
that sometime in Jan, Feb, March -- maybe even all three -- that I remind
myself NOT to schedule fully for April and May because of the weather.

Just not sure how to approach it. Right now, I'm using Outlook and Access
and I'm working toward phasing Outlook out of the picture -- it's just too
difficult to work with for what I need.

Susan H.


From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sat May 10 10:30:34 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 08:30:34 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] CC J-I-T Forms 
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEEGDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <007601c31709$1b2c2bd0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

John:

Big THANK YOU for the JIT.  I have a form with a tab control with three
subforms.  The client has the BE on a server and their network isn't super
fast.  It was taking about 11 seconds to open the form.  I haven't tried it
there yet but on my box it would appear that the form now opens in 1/2 to
1/3 the time.

I'd like to show this at the next AUGSD meeting for my Coder's Corner
presentation if you have no objections.  With attribution, of course.

Best,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:12 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


> And years later, I had a REAL reason to do JIT his way.  Only once so
far...
>
> ;-)
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:48 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
>
>
> ...AccessD rite of passage ...until you've been on the wrong end of of a
JC
> rant, you can't really belong :)
>
> ...years back, a raw newbie to AccessD, I dared to mention that I did my
> j-i-t subforms just a bit differently ...two weeks later and a masters
> degree in Access intricacies later, we called a truce out of sheer
> exhaustion ...not ours of course but everyone else on the list ...but I
did
> buy his JIT sample and used it from then on :)))
>
> William Hindman
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Moore" <rmoore at comtechpst.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:37 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
>
>
> > Martin,  hasn't everyone who came on this list had a long argument with
> JC?
> > Are you saying we only begin to learn after we've had said long
argument?
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> > Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
> > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:39 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
> >
> >
> > Yip. When I came on tho this list (lot of years now) and had a long
> argument
> > with JC I started to learn. Today I have two books published, numerous
> > articles and I am currrently working for the Microsoft Office Team. None
> of
> > this would have been possible without the likes of John Colby, William,
> > Rocky,
> > Arthur, Mike Gunderloy and the other great developers on this list. Not
> > forgetting Susuan Harkins. The other day I got an email that was
addressed
> > to
> > myself and three others. I sat and looked at it but for this list and
the
> > ideas, arguments and teaching that has taken place I would not be here
at
> > all.
> >
> > But outside of that its the friends I have made here that mean more than
> > anything else.
> >
> > I have to name John Colby and Susan. Two people who give freely of their
> > time
> > and expertise to others. Susan in particular has opened so many doors
for
> me
> > in the Database world. Arthur Fuller as well who I think does more of
list
> > than he does on.
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > Quoting John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> >
> > > Ron,
> > >
> > > I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,
> > > faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth
> > > be
> > > known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy, I
> > > still
> > > have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".
> > >
> > > I remember my first job in Access.  I came from programming, but it
> > > wasn't
> > > event driven.  I was sooooo lost.  I sold myself for well under 1/2 my
> > > normal wage because the company was willing to let me read and learn
> > > what I
> > > had to learn to do their database.  4 hours reading, 6-8 hours
working,
> > > 6
> > > days a week (the company's old db was dying a painful death).  This
was
> > > 1994
> > > and there was no (widely available) internet, in fact not even an
> > > Access
> > > Users Group.  I was one of the founding members and board member of
the
> > > San
> > > Diego Access Users Group and loved having someplace I could go once a
> > > month
> > > to talk about Access.  MAN, it was LONELY out there back then.
> > >
> > > This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan,
> > > demented
> > > cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well you get
> > > the
> > > picture.  <ducking REAL low>
> > >
> > > Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
> > > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:04 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> > > subquery
> > >
> > >
> > > My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of
> > > dogs,
> > > and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly
though,
> > > I
> > > agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think
> > > concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and
> > > new
> > > territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power
> > > programming'
> > > approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever
> > > offer
> > > (partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original
> > > posts).
> > > I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
> > > venerable list members.
> > > Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!
> > >
> > > Ron
> > >
> > >
> > >
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sat May 10 11:35:06 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 09:35:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
References: <3EBD1909.31624.1746BF1@localhost>
Message-ID: <3EBD2A3A.3030106@shaw.ca>

I have used INMAR SAT (Marine satellite phone). $ 5 a minute
I guess those reporters in Iraq were using similar system.
Makesyoutalkveryfastthough.

Stuart McLachlan wrote:

>No satellite available.  Inernational is about $US1 per minute to US 
>so I would get about 3.3 minutes per day for SUS100 per month :-(
>
>
>On 9 May 2003 at 21:32, Drew Wutka wrote:
>
>  
>
>>No way to get satellite?  How much is the International LD?  It may be
>>cheaper to dial in through someone in the US, and just pay for their
>>second phone line (which is about $10 a month)!
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg]
>>Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 9:12 PM
>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
>>
>>
>>My dialup costs me over $US100 per month   :-(
>>
>>On 9 May 2003 at 20:58, Drew Wutka wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>I pay $79 a month....(That's for bandwidth, static IP's, etc.)
>>>
>>>Drew
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>-- 
>>Lexacorp Ltd
>>http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
>>Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
>>Support.
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>
>
>  
>



From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Sat May 10 11:48:13 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 18:48:13 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
References: <00c501c31707$b1efab70$c6e6ffcc@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <07a401c31715$5b538c60$0300a8c0@S856>

Susan,
from your msg I'm not quite sure which of the two the real problem is:
- reminding yourself to look
this can be done with a timer on a form (hidden form)
- Schedule your work load
in the below case you would enter something like 30%  of your available capacity
loaded for April and May. This requires however that you define how many
(wo)manhours article 'JIT' takes  and when it will be started.
put everything in a table including holidays, vacation etc and hours per day and
it will tell you when the article is ready.
In this context, you would like to check for scheduling conflicts. this is done
with a little equation somewhere on our download area (equation by myself and
some friends here).
HTH
Lembit Soobik

----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Harkins" <harkins at iglou.com>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 5:20 PM
Subject: [AccessD] scheduling


> I use Access to keep articles, etc. on schedule, keep up with invoicing,
> etc. and it works just fine. The one thing I don't really know how to handle
> is the following -- occasionally I want to note something that I may not
> need for months -- and I can do that -- just don't really know how to go
> about displaying it -- reminding myself to look -- know what I mean?
>
> For instance, this past two weeks has been bad because of the weather. Even
> though I have surge protectors, I still turn off everything when the
> lightning starts and that's been hours every day for the past two weeks. I'm
> grossly behind as a result. Now, what I need to do is make a note to myself
> that sometime in Jan, Feb, March -- maybe even all three -- that I remind
> myself NOT to schedule fully for April and May because of the weather.
>
> Just not sure how to approach it. Right now, I'm using Outlook and Access
> and I'm working toward phasing Outlook out of the picture -- it's just too
> difficult to work with for what I need.
>
> Susan H.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sat May 10 12:16:54 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 13:16:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
References: 	<NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFIECCCIAA.accessd@shaw.ca><001c01c31693$1d28e9d0$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>
	<076f01c316f2$62077b20$0300a8c0@S856>
Message-ID: <001101c31717$f40e7260$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

...thanks Lembit ...looks like I'm overdue there :)))

William Hindman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lembit Soobik" <Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization


> there are 38 subscribers on this list
>
> Lembit Soobik
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 3:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
>
>
> > ...did we ever get a dba-Visio list started? ...is there enough interest
in
> > one to make it worthwhile?
> >
> > William Hindman
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 9:14 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
> >
> >
> > > Charlotte:
> > >
> > > Thank you for that little tip.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
> > > Foust
> > > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:55 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
> > >
> > >
> > > I've maintained network data using Visio in the past, if that applies.
> > > Be careful about numeric values though because unless you do a lot of
> > > careful tweaking to your Visio FE shapes' properties, you'll wind up
> > > with doubles in the BE, whether that's what you wanted or not.  As you
> > > might expect, doubles aren't terribly useful for MAC addresses, etc..
> > > <G>
> > >
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca]
> > > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 1:33 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
> > >
> > >
> > > William:
> > >
> > > Not I, but I have used it on a MS SQL a few times, it finds the
schema,
> > > displays the structure and fields, I make a few changes, upload and
> > > amazingly the DB and data is still there after all is said and done.
> > > Works like the BackEnd Upgrader (BEU) from Bryan Carbonnell, Reuben
> > > Cummings and Andy Lacey but for SQL.
> > >
> > > I didn't know it could be used as a FE user interface... I would like
to
> > > hear more.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> > > Hindman
> > > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:08 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
> > >
> > >
> > > Jim...anyone
> > >
> > > ...I'm just now really getting into Visio ...has anyone here
integrated
> > > it with Access in an application? ...my intent is to use it as the
> > > primary user interface with a tradeshow booth booking app and I'm
> > > looking for anyone who's done something similar.
> > >
> > > William Hindman
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
> > > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:02 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Arthur:
> > > >
> > > > What do you think of MS Viso as a design tools?
> > > >
> > > > Jim
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur
> > > > Fuller
> > > > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:16 AM
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Great concept, a normalization tool!
> > > >
> > > > "Yo, dumbass, these columns should be a related table, click OK to
> > > overrule
> > > > yo dumbass design, foo!" :-)
> > > >
> > > > AFAIK no one has built it yet.
> > > >
> > > > I'm a big fan of database-design tools such as Erwin, PowerDesigner
> > > > and
> > > (my
> > > > fave lately) DeZign, which costs 1/10 of the price of the
> > > > aforementioned
> > > and
> > > > delivers almost all their functionality. Said tools can inhale a db
> > > > and
> > > turn
> > > > it into a model and let you remodel it and then exhale a db to a
list
> > > > of targets, automatically converting data types etc. You can inhale
> > > > Access
> > > and
> > > > exhale MySQL if that's what you want, or Oracle or DB2 or MS-SQL or
> > > Sybase.
> > > >
> > > > When I work on a new project, I spend a lot of time in DeZign before
> > > writing
> > > > a line of code. When I work on an existing project, first thing I do
> > > > is import it into DeZign. It vaguely resembles the Access
> > > > Relationships
> > > window
> > > > but offers many more benefits, most notably Domains.
> > > >
> > > > (I own no shares in this company; I'm just a satisfied user.)
> > > >
> > > > Back to your question. If the db Admins have not granted her
> > > > sufficient privs to export definitions then there is no simple way
> > > > around it. She is asking either for hacker tools or for increased
> > > > privs.
> > > >
> > > > Secondly, why export table definitions to Excel? Why not simple
ascii
> > > files
> > > > that you can run in QA to rebuild structures?
> > > >
> > > > Arthur
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gale
Perez
> > > > Sent: May 8, 2003 6:46 PM
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] Access Normalization
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hello!
> > > >
> > > > I haven't posted for quite a while (have been working
> > > > in Oracle, am now doing project management and working
> > > > on some Access tracking DBs).  It's nice to be back
> > > > and see familiar names :)
> > > >
> > > > Is there a way to export Access table definitions into
> > > > Excel or into a normalization tool (we're using
> > > > Brackets)?  I'm asking on someone else's behalf and
> > > > she has tried Export but gets the message that she
> > > > doesn't have permissions (it's not a secured
> > > > database).  Can you access the data dictionary with
> > > > SQL statements?
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for any assistance,
> > > > Gale
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > __________________________________
> > > > Do you Yahoo!?
> > > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
http://search.yahoo.com
> > >
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> > >
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From harkins at iglou.com  Sat May 10 12:26:15 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 13:26:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
References: <00c501c31707$b1efab70$c6e6ffcc@SusanOne>
	<07a401c31715$5b538c60$0300a8c0@S856>
Message-ID: <00f801c31719$4e0641c0$c6e6ffcc@SusanOne>

Aha -- that's a good idea Lembit -- I do have a set limit -- but it's in my
head -- I could simply apply that limit to my schedule -- good idea. Thank
you. :)

Susan H.


> Susan,
> from your msg I'm not quite sure which of the two the real problem is:
> - reminding yourself to look
> this can be done with a timer on a form (hidden form)
> - Schedule your work load
> in the below case you would enter something like 30%  of your available
capacity
> loaded for April and May. This requires however that you define how many
> (wo)manhours article 'JIT' takes  and when it will be started.
> put everything in a table including holidays, vacation etc and hours per
day and
> it will tell you when the article is ready.
> In this context, you would like to check for scheduling conflicts. this is
done
> with a little equation somewhere on our download area (equation by myself
and
> some friends here).
> HTH
> Lembit Soobik
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Susan Harkins" <harkins at iglou.com>
> To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 5:20 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
>
>
> > I use Access to keep articles, etc. on schedule, keep up with invoicing,
> > etc. and it works just fine. The one thing I don't really know how to
handle
> > is the following -- occasionally I want to note something that I may not
> > need for months -- and I can do that -- just don't really know how to go
> > about displaying it -- reminding myself to look -- know what I mean?
> >
> > For instance, this past two weeks has been bad because of the weather.
Even
> > though I have surge protectors, I still turn off everything when the
> > lightning starts and that's been hours every day for the past two weeks.
I'm
> > grossly behind as a result. Now, what I need to do is make a note to
myself
> > that sometime in Jan, Feb, March -- maybe even all three -- that I
remind
> > myself NOT to schedule fully for April and May because of the weather.
> >
> > Just not sure how to approach it. Right now, I'm using Outlook and
Access
> > and I'm working toward phasing Outlook out of the picture -- it's just
too
> > difficult to work with for what I need.
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
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>
>


From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Sat May 10 12:35:09 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 19:35:09 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
References: 	<00c501c31707$b1efab70$c6e6ffcc@SusanOne><07a401c31715$5b538c60$0300a8c0@S856>
	<00f801c31719$4e0641c0$c6e6ffcc@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <07b601c3171a$80e314a0$0300a8c0@S856>

now,
what are you doing here? you said you are going on vacation. Missed the plane?
:)
Lembit Soobik

----- Original Message -----

> Aha -- that's a good idea Lembit -- I do have a set limit -- but it's in my
> head -- I could simply apply that limit to my schedule -- good idea. Thank
> you. :)
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> > Susan,
> > from your msg I'm not quite sure which of the two the real problem is:
> > - reminding yourself to look
> > this can be done with a timer on a form (hidden form)
> > - Schedule your work load
> > in the below case you would enter something like 30%  of your available
> capacity
> > loaded for April and May. This requires however that you define how many
> > (wo)manhours article 'JIT' takes  and when it will be started.
> > put everything in a table including holidays, vacation etc and hours per
> day and
> > it will tell you when the article is ready.
> > In this context, you would like to check for scheduling conflicts. this is
> done
> > with a little equation somewhere on our download area (equation by myself
> and
> > some friends here).
> > HTH
> > Lembit Soobik
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Susan Harkins" <harkins at iglou.com>
> > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 5:20 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
> >
> >
> > > I use Access to keep articles, etc. on schedule, keep up with invoicing,
> > > etc. and it works just fine. The one thing I don't really know how to
> handle
> > > is the following -- occasionally I want to note something that I may not
> > > need for months -- and I can do that -- just don't really know how to go
> > > about displaying it -- reminding myself to look -- know what I mean?
> > >
> > > For instance, this past two weeks has been bad because of the weather.
> Even
> > > though I have surge protectors, I still turn off everything when the
> > > lightning starts and that's been hours every day for the past two weeks.
> I'm
> > > grossly behind as a result. Now, what I need to do is make a note to
> myself
> > > that sometime in Jan, Feb, March -- maybe even all three -- that I
> remind
> > > myself NOT to schedule fully for April and May because of the weather.
> > >
> > > Just not sure how to approach it. Right now, I'm using Outlook and
> Access
> > > and I'm working toward phasing Outlook out of the picture -- it's just
> too
> > > difficult to work with for what I need.
> > >
> > > Susan H.
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat May 10 12:35:05 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 13:35:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] CC J-I-T Forms 
In-Reply-To: <007601c31709$1b2c2bd0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEGMDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

My lawyers have informed me that you certainly may. ;-)

You will find a demo on my web site.  I haven't looked at it recently.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 11:31 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] CC J-I-T Forms


John:

Big THANK YOU for the JIT.  I have a form with a tab control with three
subforms.  The client has the BE on a server and their network isn't super
fast.  It was taking about 11 seconds to open the form.  I haven't tried it
there yet but on my box it would appear that the form now opens in 1/2 to
1/3 the time.

I'd like to show this at the next AUGSD meeting for my Coder's Corner
presentation if you have no objections.  With attribution, of course.

Best,

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:12 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters


> And years later, I had a REAL reason to do JIT his way.  Only once so
far...
>
> ;-)
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:48 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
>
>
> ...AccessD rite of passage ...until you've been on the wrong end of of a
JC
> rant, you can't really belong :)
>
> ...years back, a raw newbie to AccessD, I dared to mention that I did my
> j-i-t subforms just a bit differently ...two weeks later and a masters
> degree in Access intricacies later, we called a truce out of sheer
> exhaustion ...not ours of course but everyone else on the list ...but I
did
> buy his JIT sample and used it from then on :)))
>
> William Hindman
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Moore" <rmoore at comtechpst.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:37 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
>
>
> > Martin,  hasn't everyone who came on this list had a long argument with
> JC?
> > Are you saying we only begin to learn after we've had said long
argument?
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> > Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
> > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:39 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
> >
> >
> > Yip. When I came on tho this list (lot of years now) and had a long
> argument
> > with JC I started to learn. Today I have two books published, numerous
> > articles and I am currrently working for the Microsoft Office Team. None
> of
> > this would have been possible without the likes of John Colby, William,
> > Rocky,
> > Arthur, Mike Gunderloy and the other great developers on this list. Not
> > forgetting Susuan Harkins. The other day I got an email that was
addressed
> > to
> > myself and three others. I sat and looked at it but for this list and
the
> > ideas, arguments and teaching that has taken place I would not be here
at
> > all.
> >
> > But outside of that its the friends I have made here that mean more than
> > anything else.
> >
> > I have to name John Colby and Susan. Two people who give freely of their
> > time
> > and expertise to others. Susan in particular has opened so many doors
for
> me
> > in the Database world. Arthur Fuller as well who I think does more of
list
> > than he does on.
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > Quoting John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> >
> > > Ron,
> > >
> > > I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come further,
> > > faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact, truth
> > > be
> > > known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy, I
> > > still
> > > have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".
> > >
> > > I remember my first job in Access.  I came from programming, but it
> > > wasn't
> > > event driven.  I was sooooo lost.  I sold myself for well under 1/2 my
> > > normal wage because the company was willing to let me read and learn
> > > what I
> > > had to learn to do their database.  4 hours reading, 6-8 hours
working,
> > > 6
> > > days a week (the company's old db was dying a painful death).  This
was
> > > 1994
> > > and there was no (widely available) internet, in fact not even an
> > > Access
> > > Users Group.  I was one of the founding members and board member of
the
> > > San
> > > Diego Access Users Group and loved having someplace I could go once a
> > > month
> > > to talk about Access.  MAN, it was LONELY out there back then.
> > >
> > > This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan,
> > > demented
> > > cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well you get
> > > the
> > > picture.  <ducking REAL low>
> > >
> > > Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
> > > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:04 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> > > subquery
> > >
> > >
> > > My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack of
> > > dogs,
> > > and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly
though,
> > > I
> > > agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I think
> > > concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel) and
> > > new
> > > territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power
> > > programming'
> > > approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could ever
> > > offer
> > > (partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original
> > > posts).
> > > I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among our
> > > venerable list members.
> > > Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!
> > >
> > > Ron
> > >
> > >
> > >
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sat May 10 12:49:23 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 13:49:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
References: <00c501c31707$b1efab70$c6e6ffcc@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <005101c3171c$7de55310$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

...the better solution is to install real electrical surge protectors at
your electrical panels rather than the toy suppressors we all have for our
computers and phones ...most of those sold at computer/office outlets can't
handle more than a short, mild surge ...for areas like south Florida where
we get frequent lightning storms you need much more ...the ones we have in
our main panel and phone distribution block cost $300+ but handle over 26MVA
surges ...anything but a direct hit ...before we installed them we had
constant hits on our computers despite each having their own suppressors
...after installation, I've been able to work through the worst storms ...as
long as power stays on, I can without worrying ...HTH :)

...of course if I needed a handy excuse to take off this time of year
anyway, yours would work :))))

William Hindman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Harkins" <harkins at iglou.com>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 11:20 AM
Subject: [AccessD] scheduling


> I use Access to keep articles, etc. on schedule, keep up with invoicing,
> etc. and it works just fine. The one thing I don't really know how to
handle
> is the following -- occasionally I want to note something that I may not
> need for months -- and I can do that -- just don't really know how to go
> about displaying it -- reminding myself to look -- know what I mean?
>
> For instance, this past two weeks has been bad because of the weather.
Even
> though I have surge protectors, I still turn off everything when the
> lightning starts and that's been hours every day for the past two weeks.
I'm
> grossly behind as a result. Now, what I need to do is make a note to
myself
> that sometime in Jan, Feb, March -- maybe even all three -- that I remind
> myself NOT to schedule fully for April and May because of the weather.
>
> Just not sure how to approach it. Right now, I'm using Outlook and Access
> and I'm working toward phasing Outlook out of the picture -- it's just too
> difficult to work with for what I need.
>
> Susan H.
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Sat May 10 12:59:36 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 12:59:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357E1@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Susan,

What Lembit is describing is possible with MS Project.

If you don't have MS Project or any of the equivalents, then I suggest
putting your notes in a table and running a query from your startup that
searches the table for relevant notes.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Lembit Soobik [mailto:Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de] 
Sent: Saturday 2003 May 10 11:48
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] scheduling

Susan,
from your msg I'm not quite sure which of the two the real problem is:
- reminding yourself to look
this can be done with a timer on a form (hidden form)
- Schedule your work load
in the below case you would enter something like 30%  of your available
capacity loaded for April and May. This requires however that you define
how many (wo)manhours article 'JIT' takes  and when it will be started.
put everything in a table including holidays, vacation etc and hours per
day and it will tell you when the article is ready. In this context, you
would like to check for scheduling conflicts. this is done with a little
equation somewhere on our download area (equation by myself and some
friends here). HTH Lembit Soobik

----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Harkins" <harkins at iglou.com>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 5:20 PM
Subject: [AccessD] scheduling


> I use Access to keep articles, etc. on schedule, keep up with 
> invoicing, etc. and it works just fine. The one thing I don't really 
> know how to handle is the following -- occasionally I want to note 
> something that I may not need for months -- and I can do that -- just 
> don't really know how to go about displaying it -- reminding myself to

> look -- know what I mean?
>
> For instance, this past two weeks has been bad because of the weather.

> Even though I have surge protectors, I still turn off everything when 
> the lightning starts and that's been hours every day for the past two 
> weeks. I'm grossly behind as a result. Now, what I need to do is make 
> a note to myself that sometime in Jan, Feb, March -- maybe even all 
> three -- that I remind myself NOT to schedule fully for April and May 
> because of the weather.
>
> Just not sure how to approach it. Right now, I'm using Outlook and 
> Access and I'm working toward phasing Outlook out of the picture -- 
> it's just too difficult to work with for what I need.
>
> Susan H.

From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Sat May 10 13:06:00 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 20:06:00 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
References: <00c501c31707$b1efab70$c6e6ffcc@SusanOne>
	<005101c3171c$7de55310$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>
Message-ID: <07c601c3171e$d098fa10$0300a8c0@S856>

as always, you are right, William, 
but that doesnt take care of her vacation
Lembit Soobik

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] scheduling


> ...the better solution is to install real electrical surge protectors at
> your electrical panels rather than the toy suppressors we all have for our
> computers and phones ...most of those sold at computer/office outlets can't
> handle more than a short, mild surge ...for areas like south Florida where
> we get frequent lightning storms you need much more ...the ones we have in
> our main panel and phone distribution block cost $300+ but handle over 26MVA
> surges ...anything but a direct hit ...before we installed them we had
> constant hits on our computers despite each having their own suppressors
> ...after installation, I've been able to work through the worst storms ...as
> long as power stays on, I can without worrying ...HTH :)
> 
> ...of course if I needed a handy excuse to take off this time of year
> anyway, yours would work :))))
> 
> William Hindman
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Susan Harkins" <harkins at iglou.com>
> To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 11:20 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
> 
> 
> > I use Access to keep articles, etc. on schedule, keep up with invoicing,
> > etc. and it works just fine. The one thing I don't really know how to
> handle
> > is the following -- occasionally I want to note something that I may not
> > need for months -- and I can do that -- just don't really know how to go
> > about displaying it -- reminding myself to look -- know what I mean?
> >
> > For instance, this past two weeks has been bad because of the weather.
> Even
> > though I have surge protectors, I still turn off everything when the
> > lightning starts and that's been hours every day for the past two weeks.
> I'm
> > grossly behind as a result. Now, what I need to do is make a note to
> myself
> > that sometime in Jan, Feb, March -- maybe even all three -- that I remind
> > myself NOT to schedule fully for April and May because of the weather.
> >
> > Just not sure how to approach it. Right now, I'm using Outlook and Access
> > and I'm working toward phasing Outlook out of the picture -- it's just too
> > difficult to work with for what I need.
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> 
> 
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


From harkins at iglou.com  Sat May 10 13:03:15 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 14:03:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
References: 	<00c501c31707$b1efab70$c6e6ffcc@SusanOne><07a401c31715$5b538c60$0300a8c0@S856><00f801c31719$4e0641c0$c6e6ffcc@SusanOne>
	<07b601c3171a$80e314a0$0300a8c0@S856>
Message-ID: <011701c3171f$20641200$c6e6ffcc@SusanOne>

We're not leaving until Monday morning sometime. The kids will finish
painting the house while we're gone and we're still packing stuff up and
covering furniture -- and I have 3 articles to write before I can leave!

Susan H.


> now,
> what are you doing here? you said you are going on vacation. Missed the
plane?
> :)



From harkins at iglou.com  Sat May 10 13:08:10 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 14:08:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
References: <00c501c31707$b1efab70$c6e6ffcc@SusanOne>
	<005101c3171c$7de55310$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>
Message-ID: <011801c3171f$21336ff0$c6e6ffcc@SusanOne>

Can't work, so I might as well get out of dodge! ;)

It happens every year and then I forget about it and once I'm behind, it
affects the entire summer. So, I will definitely be giving some thought to
your suggestion -- I don't actually "schedule" articles in Access, but I
think I'll add some kind of validation to assigned topics as I enter the due
date -- which will promptly reject an article if there are too many
scheduled already. Or, perhaps I'll simply show a list of dates and the
number of open slots -- either way, it shouldn't be difficult at all and I
don't know why I didn't think of it before. I've been using Outlook to keep
all that straight and it's a pia to use two different applications. But I
just haven't had time to really add it to the Access db that tracks them all
for invoicing, but it's all there already. This will be a simple feature to
add and will be very helpful.

Susan H.


> ...the better solution is to install real electrical surge protectors at
> your electrical panels rather than the toy suppressors we all have for our
> computers and phones ...most of those sold at computer/office outlets
can't
> handle more than a short, mild surge ...for areas like south Florida where
> we get frequent lightning storms you need much more ...the ones we have in
> our main panel and phone distribution block cost $300+ but handle over
26MVA
> surges ...anything but a direct hit ...before we installed them we had
> constant hits on our computers despite each having their own suppressors
> ...after installation, I've been able to work through the worst storms
...as
> long as power stays on, I can without worrying ...HTH :)
>
> ...of course if I needed a handy excuse to take off this time of year
> anyway, yours would work :))))
>
> William Hindman
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Susan Harkins" <harkins at iglou.com>
> To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 11:20 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
>
>
> > I use Access to keep articles, etc. on schedule, keep up with invoicing,
> > etc. and it works just fine. The one thing I don't really know how to
> handle
> > is the following -- occasionally I want to note something that I may not
> > need for months -- and I can do that -- just don't really know how to go
> > about displaying it -- reminding myself to look -- know what I mean?
> >
> > For instance, this past two weeks has been bad because of the weather.
> Even
> > though I have surge protectors, I still turn off everything when the
> > lightning starts and that's been hours every day for the past two weeks.
> I'm
> > grossly behind as a result. Now, what I need to do is make a note to
> myself
> > that sometime in Jan, Feb, March -- maybe even all three -- that I
remind
> > myself NOT to schedule fully for April and May because of the weather.
> >
> > Just not sure how to approach it. Right now, I'm using Outlook and
Access
> > and I'm working toward phasing Outlook out of the picture -- it's just
too
> > difficult to work with for what I need.
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Sat May 10 13:15:21 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 13:15:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F87804@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

And an even better solution is to get a UPS (Uninterruptible Power
Supply) system for your computer besides the surge suppressors.  For
about US$200 on up, you can get backup power to let you continue running
for as long as the batteries last.  At about $200 you only get enough to
let you save everything and gracefully power down your computer.  For
about $1000 you can keep running all night if the regular electricity
stays off that long.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Lembit Soobik [mailto:Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de] 
Sent: Saturday 2003 May 10 13:06
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] scheduling
Importance: Low


as always, you are right, William, 
but that doesnt take care of her vacation
Lembit Soobik

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] scheduling


> ...the better solution is to install real electrical surge protectors 
> at your electrical panels rather than the toy suppressors we all have 
> for our computers and phones ...most of those sold at computer/office 
> outlets can't handle more than a short, mild surge ...for areas like 
> south Florida where we get frequent lightning storms you need much 
> more ...the ones we have in our main panel and phone distribution 
> block cost $300+ but handle over 26MVA surges ...anything but a direct

> hit ...before we installed them we had constant hits on our computers 
> despite each having their own suppressors ...after installation, I've 
> been able to work through the worst storms ...as long as power stays 
> on, I can without worrying ...HTH :)
> 
> ...of course if I needed a handy excuse to take off this time of year 
> anyway, yours would work :))))
> 
> William Hindman
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Susan Harkins" <harkins at iglou.com>
> To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 11:20 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
> 
> 
> > I use Access to keep articles, etc. on schedule, keep up with 
> > invoicing, etc. and it works just fine. The one thing I don't really

> > know how to
> handle
> > is the following -- occasionally I want to note something that I may

> > not need for months -- and I can do that -- just don't really know 
> > how to go about displaying it -- reminding myself to look -- know 
> > what I mean?
> >
> > For instance, this past two weeks has been bad because of the 
> > weather.
> Even
> > though I have surge protectors, I still turn off everything when the

> > lightning starts and that's been hours every day for the past two 
> > weeks.
> I'm
> > grossly behind as a result. Now, what I need to do is make a note to
> myself
> > that sometime in Jan, Feb, March -- maybe even all three -- that I 
> > remind myself NOT to schedule fully for April and May because of the

> > weather.
> >
> > Just not sure how to approach it. Right now, I'm using Outlook and 
> > Access and I'm working toward phasing Outlook out of the picture -- 
> > it's just too difficult to work with for what I need.
> >
> > Susan H.

From john at winhaven.net  Sat May 10 13:33:02 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 13:33:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
In-Reply-To: <005101c3171c$7de55310$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJMEIGEFAA.john@winhaven.net>

I suggest you replace surge protectors for computer equipment with a
Uninterruptible Power Supply UPS. I have a couple in my office. My power go
off long enough (more than a second) to crash my equipment about twenty
times a day here.

Trip-lite has some very nice ones out for less than $100 that will safely
turn your PC off for you via USB cable if the power is going to be out for
more than 10 minutes. Kind of like the network room's UPS little cousins.
Beware the less expensive APC  models - some have a poorly designed
proprietary cable instead of USB.

JB
"free from the cabal but on the run"

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 12:49 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] scheduling
>
>
> ...the better solution is to install real electrical surge protectors at
> your electrical panels rather than the toy suppressors we all have for our
> computers and phones ...most of those sold at computer/office
> outlets can't
> handle more than a short, mild surge ...for areas like south Florida where
> we get frequent lightning storms you need much more ...the ones we have in
> our main panel and phone distribution block cost $300+ but handle
> over 26MVA
> surges ...anything but a direct hit ...before we installed them we had
> constant hits on our computers despite each having their own suppressors
> ...after installation, I've been able to work through the worst
> storms ...as
> long as power stays on, I can without worrying ...HTH :)
>
> ...of course if I needed a handy excuse to take off this time of year
> anyway, yours would work :))))
>
> William Hindman
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Susan Harkins" <harkins at iglou.com>
> To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 11:20 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
>
>
> > I use Access to keep articles, etc. on schedule, keep up with invoicing,
> > etc. and it works just fine. The one thing I don't really know how to
> handle
> > is the following -- occasionally I want to note something that I may not
> > need for months -- and I can do that -- just don't really know how to go
> > about displaying it -- reminding myself to look -- know what I mean?
> >
> > For instance, this past two weeks has been bad because of the weather.
> Even
> > though I have surge protectors, I still turn off everything when the
> > lightning starts and that's been hours every day for the past two weeks.
> I'm
> > grossly behind as a result. Now, what I need to do is make a note to
> myself
> > that sometime in Jan, Feb, March -- maybe even all three --
> that I remind
> > myself NOT to schedule fully for April and May because of the weather.
> >
> > Just not sure how to approach it. Right now, I'm using Outlook
> and Access
> > and I'm working toward phasing Outlook out of the picture --
> it's just too
> > difficult to work with for what I need.
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sat May 10 16:17:59 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 14:17:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] CC J-I-T Forms
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEGMDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00cc01c31739$a25d15d0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

John:

Already did it.  That's where I got the 1/2 to 1/3 reduction in the time in
opening the form.  On my box it's a little hard to tell.  Opened before in
about 3 seconds.  Now much faster.  I'll wait to see what happens on their
network.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 10:35 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] CC J-I-T Forms


> My lawyers have informed me that you certainly may. ;-)
>
> You will find a demo on my web site.  I haven't looked at it recently.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 11:31 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] CC J-I-T Forms
>
>
> John:
>
> Big THANK YOU for the JIT.  I have a form with a tab control with three
> subforms.  The client has the BE on a server and their network isn't super
> fast.  It was taking about 11 seconds to open the form.  I haven't tried
it
> there yet but on my box it would appear that the form now opens in 1/2 to
> 1/3 the time.
>
> I'd like to show this at the next AUGSD meeting for my Coder's Corner
> presentation if you have no objections.  With attribution, of course.
>
> Best,
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:12 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
>
>
> > And years later, I had a REAL reason to do JIT his way.  Only once so
> far...
> >
> > ;-)
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> > Hindman
> > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:48 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
> >
> >
> > ...AccessD rite of passage ...until you've been on the wrong end of of a
> JC
> > rant, you can't really belong :)
> >
> > ...years back, a raw newbie to AccessD, I dared to mention that I did my
> > j-i-t subforms just a bit differently ...two weeks later and a masters
> > degree in Access intricacies later, we called a truce out of sheer
> > exhaustion ...not ours of course but everyone else on the list ...but I
> did
> > buy his JIT sample and used it from then on :)))
> >
> > William Hindman
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ron Moore" <rmoore at comtechpst.com>
> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:37 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
> >
> >
> > > Martin,  hasn't everyone who came on this list had a long argument
with
> > JC?
> > > Are you saying we only begin to learn after we've had said long
> argument?
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> > > Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
> > > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:39 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Subjects in Newsletters
> > >
> > >
> > > Yip. When I came on tho this list (lot of years now) and had a long
> > argument
> > > with JC I started to learn. Today I have two books published, numerous
> > > articles and I am currrently working for the Microsoft Office Team.
None
> > of
> > > this would have been possible without the likes of John Colby,
William,
> > > Rocky,
> > > Arthur, Mike Gunderloy and the other great developers on this list.
Not
> > > forgetting Susuan Harkins. The other day I got an email that was
> addressed
> > > to
> > > myself and three others. I sat and looked at it but for this list and
> the
> > > ideas, arguments and teaching that has taken place I would not be here
> at
> > > all.
> > >
> > > But outside of that its the friends I have made here that mean more
than
> > > anything else.
> > >
> > > I have to name John Colby and Susan. Two people who give freely of
their
> > > time
> > > and expertise to others. Susan in particular has opened so many doors
> for
> > me
> > > in the Database world. Arthur Fuller as well who I think does more of
> list
> > > than he does on.
> > >
> > > Martin
> > >
> > > Quoting John Colby <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>:
> > >
> > > > Ron,
> > > >
> > > > I have been on this list since about July, 1997.  I have come
further,
> > > > faster, than would ever be possible without the list.  In fact,
truth
> > > > be
> > > > known, I'd be lost without it.  Even as a pretty knowledgeable guy,
I
> > > > still
> > > > have questions.  Access is so complex that no one "knows it all".
> > > >
> > > > I remember my first job in Access.  I came from programming, but it
> > > > wasn't
> > > > event driven.  I was sooooo lost.  I sold myself for well under 1/2
my
> > > > normal wage because the company was willing to let me read and learn
> > > > what I
> > > > had to learn to do their database.  4 hours reading, 6-8 hours
> working,
> > > > 6
> > > > days a week (the company's old db was dying a painful death).  This
> was
> > > > 1994
> > > > and there was no (widely available) internet, in fact not even an
> > > > Access
> > > > Users Group.  I was one of the founding members and board member of
> the
> > > > San
> > > > Diego Access Users Group and loved having someplace I could go once
a
> > > > month
> > > > to talk about Access.  MAN, it was LONELY out there back then.
> > > >
> > > > This group becomes like a family.  Kindly Grandmothers like Susan,
> > > > demented
> > > > cousins like William, snotty nosed nephews like Drew... well you get
> > > > the
> > > > picture.  <ducking REAL low>
> > > >
> > > > Yea, life just wouldn't be the same without AccessD!
> > > >
> > > > John W. Colby
> > > > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Moore
> > > > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:04 PM
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: RE: Subjects in Newsletters: was RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line
> > > > subquery
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > My great-grandfather had an old saying:  'Throw a rock in to a pack
of
> > > > dogs,
> > > > and the one that yelps is the one that got hit'! :-)   Honestly
> though,
> > > > I
> > > > agree with you John; I don't think solutions are being stolen, I
think
> > > > concepts learned the hard way are shared (why reinvent the wheel)
and
> > > > new
> > > > territory is explored on a group basis (sort of a mass 'power
> > > > programming'
> > > > approach).  I have received much more from this list than I could
ever
> > > > offer
> > > > (partly because the answers appear in my mailbox before my original
> > > > posts).
> > > > I consider ourselves fortunate to have such talented authors among
our
> > > > venerable list members.
> > > > Charlotte and others - Don't stop writing!
> > > >
> > > > Ron
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat May 10 17:38:46 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 08:38:46 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJMEIGEFAA.john@winhaven.net>
References: <005101c3171c$7de55310$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>
Message-ID: <3EBE0C16.12897.1C664C@localhost>

On 10 May 2003 at 13:33, John Bartow wrote:

> 
> Trip-lite has some very nice ones out for less than $100 that will
> safely turn your PC off for you via USB cable if the power is going to
> be out for more than 10 minutes. 

Gee, psychic UPSs, what next :-)

I wish I had something to tell me how long the power is going to out 
when we have power cuts in Port Moresby - It's often several hours at 
a time :-(




-- 
Lexacorp Ltd
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat May 10 17:51:02 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 08:51:02 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
In-Reply-To: <00c501c31707$b1efab70$c6e6ffcc@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <3EBE0EF6.17353.27A262@localhost>

On 10 May 2003 at 11:20, Susan Harkins wrote:

> I use Access to keep articles, etc. on schedule, keep up with
> invoicing, etc. and it works just fine. The one thing I don't really
> know how to handle is the following -- occasionally I want to note
> something that I may not need for months -- and I can do that -- just
> don't really know how to go about displaying it -- reminding myself to
> look -- know what I mean?
> 

A "tickler" table.  Something like 

fldFirstDate as DATE, fldFrequency as Long, fldReminder as MEMO

On startup, popup a continuous form with a recordsource of:

"Select * from tTickler where fldFirstDate <= Date() and (Date() - 
fldFirstDate) MOD fldFrequency = 0"

Then your messages will popup when you start your application on 
FldFirstday and every fldFrequency days afterwards until you delete 
the record.








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Lexacorp Ltd
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat May 10 19:39:51 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 17:39:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
In-Reply-To: <011701c3171f$20641200$c6e6ffcc@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFMECKCIAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Susan:

Now that's nice...house painted while you gone, no muss or fuss. Now if you
get someone to write those articles...

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 11:03 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] scheduling


We're not leaving until Monday morning sometime. The kids will finish
painting the house while we're gone and we're still packing stuff up and
covering furniture -- and I have 3 articles to write before I can leave!

Susan H.


> now,
> what are you doing here? you said you are going on vacation. Missed the
plane?
> :)


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From harkins at iglou.com  Sat May 10 19:49:01 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 20:49:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
References: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFMECKCIAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <01a801c31757$1f33d4f0$dde6ffcc@SusanOne>

OH MY GOSH!!!!!!!!!!

My kitchen appliances have been in the middle of the floor for over 3
weeks -- waiting for them to finish. I'll NEVER ask my kids to paint my
house again -- NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 8:39 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] scheduling


> Susan:
>
> Now that's nice...house painted while you gone, no muss or fuss. Now if
you
> get someone to write those articles...
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 11:03 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] scheduling
>
>
> We're not leaving until Monday morning sometime. The kids will finish
> painting the house while we're gone and we're still packing stuff up and
> covering furniture -- and I have 3 articles to write before I can leave!
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> > now,
> > what are you doing here? you said you are going on vacation. Missed the
> plane?
> > :)
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Sat May 10 20:09:50 2003
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 20:09:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
In-Reply-To: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F87804@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <FKEBJOENDDBJHLINGOBHIEJHEIAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

If you're spending $1000, just go ahead and spend $2000 for a generator and
transfer switch.  Then not only could you keep working, you could keep some
of your lights on and keep your beer cold as long as you have gas.

Reuben Cummings
Director of Software Development
GFC, LLC
phone: 812.523.1017
email: reuben at gfconsultants.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz, Charles
> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 1:15 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] scheduling
>
>
> And an even better solution is to get a UPS (Uninterruptible Power
> Supply) system for your computer besides the surge suppressors.  For
> about US$200 on up, you can get backup power to let you continue running
> for as long as the batteries last.  At about $200 you only get enough to
> let you save everything and gracefully power down your computer.  For
> about $1000 you can keep running all night if the regular electricity
> stays off that long.
>
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lembit Soobik [mailto:Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de]
> Sent: Saturday 2003 May 10 13:06
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] scheduling
> Importance: Low
>
>
> as always, you are right, William,
> but that doesnt take care of her vacation
> Lembit Soobik
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 7:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] scheduling
>
>
> > ...the better solution is to install real electrical surge protectors
> > at your electrical panels rather than the toy suppressors we all have
> > for our computers and phones ...most of those sold at computer/office
> > outlets can't handle more than a short, mild surge ...for areas like
> > south Florida where we get frequent lightning storms you need much
> > more ...the ones we have in our main panel and phone distribution
> > block cost $300+ but handle over 26MVA surges ...anything but a direct
>
> > hit ...before we installed them we had constant hits on our computers
> > despite each having their own suppressors ...after installation, I've
> > been able to work through the worst storms ...as long as power stays
> > on, I can without worrying ...HTH :)
> >
> > ...of course if I needed a handy excuse to take off this time of year
> > anyway, yours would work :))))
> >
> > William Hindman
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Susan Harkins" <harkins at iglou.com>
> > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 11:20 AM
> > Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
> >
> >
> > > I use Access to keep articles, etc. on schedule, keep up with
> > > invoicing, etc. and it works just fine. The one thing I don't really
>
> > > know how to
> > handle
> > > is the following -- occasionally I want to note something that I may
>
> > > not need for months -- and I can do that -- just don't really know
> > > how to go about displaying it -- reminding myself to look -- know
> > > what I mean?
> > >
> > > For instance, this past two weeks has been bad because of the
> > > weather.
> > Even
> > > though I have surge protectors, I still turn off everything when the
>
> > > lightning starts and that's been hours every day for the past two
> > > weeks.
> > I'm
> > > grossly behind as a result. Now, what I need to do is make a note to
> > myself
> > > that sometime in Jan, Feb, March -- maybe even all three -- that I
> > > remind myself NOT to schedule fully for April and May because of the
>
> > > weather.
> > >
> > > Just not sure how to approach it. Right now, I'm using Outlook and
> > > Access and I'm working toward phasing Outlook out of the picture --
> > > it's just too difficult to work with for what I need.
> > >
> > > Susan H.
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>
>



From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sun May 11 00:33:48 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 22:33:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] XML
References: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F877FE@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
	<1052419091.3ebaa413e9d68@hosea.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <3EBDE0BC.6000706@shaw.ca>



mwp.reid at queens-belfast.ac.uk wrote:

>Was the ability to import and export XML via the GUI (or using ADO) in Access 
>available in any version prior to A XP? 
>  
>
 You can handle XML without ADO from Access 97 just a little more 
trouble. The following example reads in an XML file (well I am using a 
string), verifies via a schema xsd file, uses an xsl file to select 
nodes via XSLT and inserts the values into a table. I am using MS XML 
version 5.0 but you could go back to 3.0. The table tblTest has to 
preexist with a field RECORD.

Sub testxml()
Dim sXML As String

sXML = "<RECORDS><RECORD><Value>1234</Value></RECORD>" & _
                "<RECORD><Value>1235</Value>" & _
       "</RECORD></RECORDS>"


If AddDatabase(sXML) Then
    MsgBox "Added XML OK"
Else
    MsgBox " XML failed"
End If
End Sub

 Function AddDatabase(pseDataXML As String) As Boolean

    Dim oResultsXML     As DOMDocument50
    Dim oTransformToSQL As DOMDocument50
    Dim sSQL            As String
    Dim xmlError As IXMLDOMParseError
    Dim dbs As DAO.Database
   
Dim xmlSchema As XMLSchemaCache50
Debug.Print CurrentProject.Path
Set xmlSchema = New XMLSchemaCache50

xmlSchema.Add "http://tempuri.org/WellFormed.xsd", _
              CurrentProject.Path & "\test.xsd"


    Set oResultsXML = New DOMDocument50
    Set oTransformToSQL = New DOMDocument50
    Set oResultsXML.schemas = xmlSchema
    Set dbs = CurrentDb()
   
   oResultsXML.async = False
   oResultsXML.validateOnParse = True
   oResultsXML.resolveExternals = False

    Debug.Print "Preparing to add to database: Loading XSL"
    If oTransformToSQL.Load(CurrentProject.Path & "\test.xsl") Then
   
        Debug.Print "Loading results XML"
        If oResultsXML.loadXML(pseDataXML) Then
            Debug.Print "Transforming XML with XSL"
            sSQL = oResultsXML.transformNode(oTransformToSQL)
   
            Debug.Print sSQL
           
            Dim MyStringArray() As String

              'use AND string as delimiter
             MyStringArray = Split(sSQL, "AND")
            ' Access can't use multiple SQL  inserts in single call so 
seperate
            For i = 0 To UBound(MyStringArray) - 1
             Debug.Print MyStringArray(i)

              dbs.Execute (MyStringArray(i))

            Next
        Else
            Debug.Print "Unable to load result XML:" & vbCrLf & pseDataXML
            Set xmlError = oResultsXML.parseError

            reportParseError xmlError
            GoTo AddDatabase_Exit
        End If
    Else
        Debug.Print "Unable to load XSL:" & vbCrLf & psXSL
        Set xmlError = oTransformToSQL.parseError
        reportParseError xmlError
        GoTo AddDatabase_Exit
    End If
   
    AddDatabase = True

AddDatabase_Exit:

    Set oResultsXML = Nothing
    Set oTransformToSQL = Nothing

End Function
Function reportParseError(err As IXMLDOMParseError)

  Dim s As String
  Dim r As String
  Dim i As Long
 
   s = ""
  For i = 1 To err.linepos - 1
    s = s & " "
  Next
  r = "XML Error loading " & err.url & " * " & err.reason
    'show character postion of error; tired of counting
  If (err.Line > 0) Then
    r = "at line " & err.Line & ", character " & err.linepos & vbCrLf & _
         err.srcText & vbCrLf & s & "^"
  End If
  Debug.Print r
  End Function

test.xsl
------
<xsl:stylesheet version="1.0"
  xmlns:xsl="http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform" >
<xsl:output method="text" />
  <xsl:template match="/RECORDS">
    <xsl:for-each select="./RECORD"> Insert INTO tblTest (RECORD)
    VALUES('<xsl:value-of select="Value" />') AND
    </xsl:for-each>
 </xsl:template>
</xsl:stylesheet>

test.xsd
-----------------
<?xml version="1.0" ?>
<xs:schema targetNamespace="http://tempuri.org/WellFormed.xsd"
  xmlns="http://tempuri.org/WellFormed.xsd"
  xmlns:xs="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema"
  attributeFormDefault="qualified"
  elementFormDefault="qualified">
  <xs:element name="Test">
    <xs:complexType>
      <xs:sequence>
        <xs:element name="Name" type="xs:string" minOccurs="0" />
      </xs:sequence>
    </xs:complexType>
  </xs:element>
</xs:schema>



From subs at solution-providers.ie  Sun May 11 03:06:47 2003
From: subs at solution-providers.ie (Mark L. Breen)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 09:06:47 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
References: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIAECCEHAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <000a01c31794$562b1ad0$4e9f7dc2@D8TZHN0J>

Hello All,

I presume that all the above discussions are talking about Jet.  I have been
using these kind of SQL nested / embedded queries for quite a while in SQL
Server / MSDE.  They are brilliant.

You can write a stored proc that does all sorts of SQL checking, you can
nest you selects in Insert statements, and have nested selects within
selects that perform inserts.

You can also do things like

If (a whole load of selects and nested selects)

some condition

then (a whole lot more updates/ inserts or plain ol' selects)

else

(more again updates/ inserts or plain ol' selects)


Since I started using nested selects, I have no need for temp tables or even
virtual tables, If I had to do the work with 10's of 1000' of records, I
would give some consideration to performance, but even still, I guess and
vtable vs a real table vs a nested select must have at least comparable
performance results.

If you have not used then guys, take a look, I think that they are great
FWIW.

Enjoy

Mark





----- Original Message -----




From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 4:13 PM
Subject: RE: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery


> I read about this syntax in Access Advisor a couple of years ago. It was
> something a user wrote in for a tip. Ken Getz (tips editor) had the same
> reaction that everyone else seems to have - how did you figure this out?!
He
> couldn't find it documented anywhere.
>
> I pulled it out from my collection a couple of months ago to review it and
> now I can't find that issue! When I find it again I will share it and the
> author's name.
>
> JB
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz, Charles
> > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 9:01 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> >
> >
> > Dave,
> >
> > I have to agree with you.  From the article you cited, we can see how to
> > write regular subqueries.  So why the special []. syntax exists, and
> > what does it do that the regular subquery cannot do, still has not been
> > explained.
> >
> > Maybe somebody that is between projects will take the time to
> > investigate what []. does and will report back to us.  Many-to-Many is
> > always looking for good articles.
> >
> > Charles Wortz
> > Software Development Division
> > Texas Education Agency
> > 1701 N. Congress Ave
> > Austin, TX 78701-1494
> > 512-463-9493
> > CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: davesharpe2 at cox.net [mailto:davesharpe2 at cox.net]
> > Sent: Thursday 2003 May 08 08:41
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: Re: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> > I
> > Charles, I agree.
> >
> > One thing I would like to note that I'm not
> > sure that I see the significance of the
> > "[ ]. syntax" ( while I agree that it works ).
> >
> > I get the same results using the following
> > two queries. ( I regret that my client word-
> > wrapped the examples )
> >
> > ================================
> > 1 - Using [ ].
> > SELECT
> > Count(*) AS DaysUnique
> > FROM
> > [SELECT DISTINCT po_date  FROM LAW70_PURCHORDER]. AS subDistinctDays
> >
> > 2 - Using a normal "SubQuery in the From Clause"
> > SELECT
> > Count(*) AS DaysUnique
> > FROM
> > (SELECT DISTINCT po_date  FROM LAW70_PURCHORDER) AS subDistinctDays
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > >
> > > From: "Wortz, Charles" <CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>
> > > Date: 2003/05/08 Thu AM 08:20:49 EDT
> > > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> > >
> > > Dave,
> > >
> > > Nice article, but it does not discuss the specific type of subquery
> > > that is the subject of the original questioner; namely, the [ ].
> > > syntax for subqueries.
> > >
> > >
> > > Charles Wortz
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: dave sharpe [mailto:davesharpe2 at cox.net]
> > > Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 21:42
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> > >
> > >
> > > Friends I found this on the subject and thought that
> > > it might be of benefit to some members of the group.
> > >
> > > http://www.nesug.org/Proceedings/nesug98/dbas/p005.pdf
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Wortz, Charles <mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:45 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> > >
> > > Also, about a year ago this subject was brought up with about
> > the
> > > same
> > > amount of information documented.
> > >
> > > Charles Wortz
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 07 11:16
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> > >
> > > But, Gustav, we just created references to it here! <VBG>
> > >
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:51 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL in-line subquery
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Charlotte
> > >
> > > > ..  If you ever find it in help, for goodness sake, post the
> > > reference
> > >
> > > > here!
> > >
> > > I would say: if you ever find any reference to this, post it
> > here.
> > >
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From markH at bitgen.co.uk  Sun May 11 08:47:12 2003
From: markH at bitgen.co.uk (MarkH)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 14:47:12 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Anyone using  the Excel-L list? 
In-Reply-To: <007d01c31626$225e2770$4814a8c0@Comtech.Comtechpst.com>
Message-ID: <005701c317c3$d6264640$d18b4c51@laptop>

Thanks Ron... There must be something wrong with my subscription. I've
had nothing since joining.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ron Moore
Sent: 09 May 2003 13:26
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - Anyone using the Excel-L list? 


Mark, I have used this list for some time.  Very active - 4 posts so far
today.

Ron

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MarkH
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:11 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Anyone using the Excel-L list?


Hi All

Sorry for the OT post. I subscribed to the Excel-L list a couple of
wekes ago (saw it mentioned in someone else post) and have so far seen
not a single email. I have checkec my subscription options and it looks
fine. Is it just a very quiet list?

Cheers

Mark

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From markH at bitgen.co.uk  Sun May 11 08:53:55 2003
From: markH at bitgen.co.uk (MarkH)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 14:53:55 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Anyone using  the Excel-L list?
In-Reply-To: <3EBC2239.9030408@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <005801c317c4$c7775020$d18b4c51@laptop>

Thanks Marty... I just got an automated email saying my email address
was incorrect. It's the same that I'm using here and works fine (I
hope)... Will try re-subscribing.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: 09 May 2003 22:49
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - Anyone using the Excel-L list?


Check the archives at http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/excel-l.html
on right hand pane there is subscription info

Ron Moore wrote:

>Mark, I have used this list for some time.  Very active - 4 posts so 
>far today.
>
>Ron
>
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>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of MarkH
>Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:11 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] OT - Anyone using the Excel-L list?
>
>
>Hi All
>
>Sorry for the OT post. I subscribed to the Excel-L list a couple of 
>wekes ago (saw it mentioned in someone else post) and have so far seen 
>not a single email. I have checkec my subscription options and it looks

>fine. Is it just a very quiet list?
>
>Cheers
>
>Mark
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From markH at bitgen.co.uk  Sun May 11 08:57:26 2003
From: markH at bitgen.co.uk (MarkH)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 14:57:26 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Read-Only Linked ODBC Table?
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F2E@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <005a01c317c5$418865c0$d18b4c51@laptop>

If you are using access security you could set the table to read-only
that way...

Mark

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: 09 May 2003 20:15
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Read-Only Linked ODBC Table?


Unless there is an index on the table it's going to be read only by
default.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Allen [mailto:chizotz at charter.net] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 11:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Read-Only Linked ODBC Table?


Is it possible to use a linked table from a SQL Server 
2000 db in an Acc97 front end and make the linked table 
read only? Seems to me that should be pretty simple to do, 
but I can't seem to find any information on how to do it. 
I'm hoping I'm just missing something obvious.

Thanks,

Ron
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From chizotz at charter.net  Sun May 11 18:29:46 2003
From: chizotz at charter.net (Ron Allen)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 18:29:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Read-Only Linked ODBC Table?
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F2E@infoserver01.infostat.local>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F2E@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <7177050687.20030511182946@charter.net>

Hello Charlotte,

OK, I'll check into that. Maybe I've been running around in circles
for no reason.

Thanks,

Ron

Friday, May 9, 2003, 2:14:40 PM, you wrote:
CF> Unless there is an index on the table it's going to be read only by
CF> default.


From chizotz at charter.net  Sun May 11 18:33:47 2003
From: chizotz at charter.net (Ron Allen)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 18:33:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Read-Only Linked ODBC Table?
In-Reply-To: <005a01c317c5$418865c0$d18b4c51@laptop>
References: <005a01c317c5$418865c0$d18b4c51@laptop>
Message-ID: <191177291937.20030511183347@charter.net>

Hello Mark,

Unfortunately, Access security is not considered secure enough for our
data warehouse manager. The Access app this is for will eventually be
migrated to a VB.net or C# app where this will no longer be an issue.
For now, if I can't guarantee that the table is read-only without
using Access security, I'll have to go a DTS package export file and
import routine. A hassle for all, but doable.

Thanks,

Ron

Sunday, May 11, 2003, 8:57:26 AM, you wrote:
M> If you are using access security you could set the table to read-only
M> that way...


From david.powell at bbm.wapl.com.au  Sun May 11 19:15:15 2003
From: david.powell at bbm.wapl.com.au (Powell, David (BBM))
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 08:15:15 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Read-Only Linked ODBC Table?
Message-ID: <1C66E1A38F4E22499CE329884E3FA8B1406B9A@WAPLMAIL.wapl.com.au>

Ron,

Just set permissions on the table as select only.  Or Set up a guest
account which has select permissions on this table and link via that
account.  We use this method quite successfully.


Regards

David


-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Allen [mailto:chizotz at charter.net] 
Sent: Saturday, 10 May 2003 3:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Read-Only Linked ODBC Table?


Is it possible to use a linked table from a SQL Server 
2000 db in an Acc97 front end and make the linked table 
read only? Seems to me that should be pretty simple to do, 
but I can't seem to find any information on how to do it. 
I'm hoping I'm just missing something obvious.

Thanks,

Ron
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From chizotz at charter.net  Sun May 11 19:51:16 2003
From: chizotz at charter.net (Ron Allen)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 19:51:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Read-Only Linked ODBC Table?
In-Reply-To: <1C66E1A38F4E22499CE329884E3FA8B1406B9A@WAPLMAIL.wapl.com.au>
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Thank you David.

I'm not the SQL Sever expert at my company, but I'm learning. Seems to
me that someone there should have seen one of these answers. <shrug> I
appreciate everyone's help.

Ron


Sunday, May 11, 2003, 7:15:15 PM, you wrote:
PDB> Just set permissions on the table as select only.  Or Set up a guest
PDB> account which has select permissions on this table and link via that
PDB> account.  We use this method quite successfully.


From tewksbum at hotmail.com  Sun May 11 21:48:40 2003
From: tewksbum at hotmail.com (Marcus Tewksbury)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 21:48:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
Message-ID: <Law9-F118V3GykBbKP700012ca2@hotmail.com>

Hi everyone,

Ok - here is my issue - I thought I'd be really fancy and start 
encapsulating my tables in data classes - using properites and all that good 
stuff.  One issue that I am having is trying to pass in recordsets (or other 
classes that also contain recordsets) into a class always gives me a Type 
Mismatch or 438 error.

The class files and code behind all reside in the same project.

Any thoughts?  I'm stumped!


Here are 2 snippets

    Dim oInvoiceDetail As New InvoiceDetail
    oInvoiceDetail.Load_byInvoiceID (Me.InvoiceID)

    Dim oOrderDetail As New OrderDetail
    oOrderDetail.Load_byInvoiceDetail (oInvoiceDetail) <-CRASHES HERE

    While Not oOrderDetail.EOF
        oOrderDetail.FilledFlag = False
        oOrderDetail.MoveNext
    Wend

and ...

Public Function Load_byInvoiceDetail(ByVal xInvoiceDetail As InvoiceDetail)

    Dim sstrSQL As String
    Dim sflgNotFirst As Boolean

    sstrSQL = "SELECT * FROM OrderDetail"

    While Not xInvoiceDetail.EOF
        If Not sflgNotFirst Then
            sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " WHERE OrderDetailID = " & 
xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
            sflgNotFirst = True
        Else
            sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " OR (OrderDetailID = " & 
xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
        End If
        xInvoiceDetail.MoveNext
    Wend

    With mrst
        .CursorLocation = adUseClient
        .CursorType = adOpenDynamic
        .LockType = adLockBatchOptimistic
        .Source = sstrSQL
        .Open
    End With

    Call Scatter

End Function

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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Sun May 11 22:09:37 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 23:09:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
References: <Law9-F118V3GykBbKP700012ca2@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000701c31833$ec8fc670$6401a8c0@default>

Marcus,

Has mrst been set = to an ADO recordset
in the Declarations section?

Mike Mattys

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marcus Tewksbury" <tewksbum at hotmail.com>
To: <accessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 10:48 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween


> Hi everyone,
>
> Ok - here is my issue - I thought I'd be really fancy and start
> encapsulating my tables in data classes - using properites and all that
good
> stuff.  One issue that I am having is trying to pass in recordsets (or
other
> classes that also contain recordsets) into a class always gives me a Type
> Mismatch or 438 error.
>
> The class files and code behind all reside in the same project.
>
> Any thoughts?  I'm stumped!
>
>
> Here are 2 snippets
>
>     Dim oInvoiceDetail As New InvoiceDetail
>     oInvoiceDetail.Load_byInvoiceID (Me.InvoiceID)
>
>     Dim oOrderDetail As New OrderDetail
>     oOrderDetail.Load_byInvoiceDetail (oInvoiceDetail) <-CRASHES HERE
>
>     While Not oOrderDetail.EOF
>         oOrderDetail.FilledFlag = False
>         oOrderDetail.MoveNext
>     Wend
>
> and ...
>
> Public Function Load_byInvoiceDetail(ByVal xInvoiceDetail As
InvoiceDetail)
>
>     Dim sstrSQL As String
>     Dim sflgNotFirst As Boolean
>
>     sstrSQL = "SELECT * FROM OrderDetail"
>
>     While Not xInvoiceDetail.EOF
>         If Not sflgNotFirst Then
>             sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " WHERE OrderDetailID = " &
> xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
>             sflgNotFirst = True
>         Else
>             sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " OR (OrderDetailID = " &
> xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
>         End If
>         xInvoiceDetail.MoveNext
>     Wend
>
>     With mrst
>         .CursorLocation = adUseClient
>         .CursorType = adOpenDynamic
>         .LockType = adLockBatchOptimistic
>         .Source = sstrSQL
>         .Open
>     End With
>
>     Call Scatter
>
> End Function
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From tewksbum at hotmail.com  Sun May 11 22:58:07 2003
From: tewksbum at hotmail.com (Marcus Tewksbury)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 22:58:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
Message-ID: <Law9-F59DKicUbvBDxr00012fce@hotmail.com>

Yeap

mrst has been declared...

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Private mlngInvoiceDetailID As Long
Private mlngInvoiceID As Long
Private mlngOrderDetailID As Long
Private mlngProductID As Long
Private mintShipped As Integer
Private mintCanceled As Integer
Private mintBackOrdered As Integer
Private mcurExtendedPrice As Currency
Private mflgSubstituteFlag As Boolean
Private mdteDateAdded As Date
Private mdteLastUpdated As Date
Private mflgActiveFlag As Boolean

Private mrst As ADODB.Recordset  <- Here
Private mflgAddFlag As Boolean
Private mflgDirtyFlag As Boolean

The problem seems to be directly related to passing a recordset into the 
class - through a sub or function.  I've tried making

Public Function Load_byInvoiceDetail

a sub and function - and have tried passing byVal and ByRef.  For testing I 
changed the paramter to (xrst as ADODB.recordset) and then passed in a newly 
created, plain recordset and it still bombs.

Of course, another question that stems from this - if you look at what my 
code is trying to accomplish - can you overload the initialize method?  That 
would be helpful!

Thanks a million,

- Tewks





>From: "Michael R Mattys" <michael.mattys at adelphia.net>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
>Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 23:09:37 -0400
>
>Marcus,
>
>Has mrst been set = to an ADO recordset
>in the Declarations section?
>
>Mike Mattys
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Marcus Tewksbury" <tewksbum at hotmail.com>
>To: <accessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 10:48 PM
>Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
>
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Ok - here is my issue - I thought I'd be really fancy and start
> > encapsulating my tables in data classes - using properites and all that
>good
> > stuff.  One issue that I am having is trying to pass in recordsets (or
>other
> > classes that also contain recordsets) into a class always gives me a 
>Type
> > Mismatch or 438 error.
> >
> > The class files and code behind all reside in the same project.
> >
> > Any thoughts?  I'm stumped!
> >
> >
> > Here are 2 snippets
> >
> >     Dim oInvoiceDetail As New InvoiceDetail
> >     oInvoiceDetail.Load_byInvoiceID (Me.InvoiceID)
> >
> >     Dim oOrderDetail As New OrderDetail
> >     oOrderDetail.Load_byInvoiceDetail (oInvoiceDetail) <-CRASHES HERE
> >
> >     While Not oOrderDetail.EOF
> >         oOrderDetail.FilledFlag = False
> >         oOrderDetail.MoveNext
> >     Wend
> >
> > and ...
> >
> > Public Function Load_byInvoiceDetail(ByVal xInvoiceDetail As
>InvoiceDetail)
> >
> >     Dim sstrSQL As String
> >     Dim sflgNotFirst As Boolean
> >
> >     sstrSQL = "SELECT * FROM OrderDetail"
> >
> >     While Not xInvoiceDetail.EOF
> >         If Not sflgNotFirst Then
> >             sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " WHERE OrderDetailID = " &
> > xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
> >             sflgNotFirst = True
> >         Else
> >             sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " OR (OrderDetailID = " &
> > xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
> >         End If
> >         xInvoiceDetail.MoveNext
> >     Wend
> >
> >     With mrst
> >         .CursorLocation = adUseClient
> >         .CursorType = adOpenDynamic
> >         .LockType = adLockBatchOptimistic
> >         .Source = sstrSQL
> >         .Open
> >     End With
> >
> >     Call Scatter
> >
> > End Function
> >
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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Sun May 11 23:02:56 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 13:32:56 +0930
Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A04F@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

lol - we've only finally got overloading and inheritance into VB.Net!  Very
doubtful we can do that in VBA.

I was about to ask if you've tried passing byRef so that ones out the door.

Another wild stab -> but I suppose this is still worth asking.  Haven't
forgot the references to ADO??

Perhaps try declaring mrst with a NEW instance:

Private mrst As *NEW* ADODB.Recordset

...but why would it work for InvoiceDetail and not OrderDetail??

Cheers,
A

-----Original Message-----
From: Marcus Tewksbury [mailto:tewksbum at hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 12 May 2003 1:28 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween


Yeap

mrst has been declared...

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Private mlngInvoiceDetailID As Long
Private mlngInvoiceID As Long
Private mlngOrderDetailID As Long
Private mlngProductID As Long
Private mintShipped As Integer
Private mintCanceled As Integer
Private mintBackOrdered As Integer
Private mcurExtendedPrice As Currency
Private mflgSubstituteFlag As Boolean
Private mdteDateAdded As Date
Private mdteLastUpdated As Date
Private mflgActiveFlag As Boolean

Private mrst As ADODB.Recordset  <- Here
Private mflgAddFlag As Boolean
Private mflgDirtyFlag As Boolean

The problem seems to be directly related to passing a recordset into the 
class - through a sub or function.  I've tried making

Public Function Load_byInvoiceDetail

a sub and function - and have tried passing byVal and ByRef.  For testing I 
changed the paramter to (xrst as ADODB.recordset) and then passed in a newly

created, plain recordset and it still bombs.

Of course, another question that stems from this - if you look at what my 
code is trying to accomplish - can you overload the initialize method?  That

would be helpful!

Thanks a million,

- Tewks





>From: "Michael R Mattys" <michael.mattys at adelphia.net>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
>Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 23:09:37 -0400
>
>Marcus,
>
>Has mrst been set = to an ADO recordset
>in the Declarations section?
>
>Mike Mattys
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Marcus Tewksbury" <tewksbum at hotmail.com>
>To: <accessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 10:48 PM
>Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
>
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Ok - here is my issue - I thought I'd be really fancy and start
> > encapsulating my tables in data classes - using properites and all that
>good
> > stuff.  One issue that I am having is trying to pass in recordsets (or
>other
> > classes that also contain recordsets) into a class always gives me a 
>Type
> > Mismatch or 438 error.
> >
> > The class files and code behind all reside in the same project.
> >
> > Any thoughts?  I'm stumped!
> >
> >
> > Here are 2 snippets
> >
> >     Dim oInvoiceDetail As New InvoiceDetail
> >     oInvoiceDetail.Load_byInvoiceID (Me.InvoiceID)
> >
> >     Dim oOrderDetail As New OrderDetail
> >     oOrderDetail.Load_byInvoiceDetail (oInvoiceDetail) <-CRASHES HERE
> >
> >     While Not oOrderDetail.EOF
> >         oOrderDetail.FilledFlag = False
> >         oOrderDetail.MoveNext
> >     Wend
> >
> > and ...
> >
> > Public Function Load_byInvoiceDetail(ByVal xInvoiceDetail As
>InvoiceDetail)
> >
> >     Dim sstrSQL As String
> >     Dim sflgNotFirst As Boolean
> >
> >     sstrSQL = "SELECT * FROM OrderDetail"
> >
> >     While Not xInvoiceDetail.EOF
> >         If Not sflgNotFirst Then
> >             sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " WHERE OrderDetailID = " &
> > xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
> >             sflgNotFirst = True
> >         Else
> >             sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " OR (OrderDetailID = " &
> > xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
> >         End If
> >         xInvoiceDetail.MoveNext
> >     Wend
> >
> >     With mrst
> >         .CursorLocation = adUseClient
> >         .CursorType = adOpenDynamic
> >         .LockType = adLockBatchOptimistic
> >         .Source = sstrSQL
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> >
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From tewksbum at hotmail.com  Sun May 11 23:11:45 2003
From: tewksbum at hotmail.com (Marcus Tewksbury)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 23:11:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
Message-ID: <Law9-F48kHT9UaEI8Rv00013020@hotmail.com>

In this case it seems to be something specifically with recordsets - with 
InvoiceDetail I am only passing in an integer - and I;ve tried New'ing the 
recordset in the initialize - I'll give a look into referencing, but I 
haven't had a problem with any other ADO issue until now!

Ugh - this is frustrating!


>From: "Haslett, Andrew" <andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
>Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 13:32:56 +0930
>
>lol - we've only finally got overloading and inheritance into VB.Net!  Very
>doubtful we can do that in VBA.
>
>I was about to ask if you've tried passing byRef so that ones out the door.
>
>Another wild stab -> but I suppose this is still worth asking.  Haven't
>forgot the references to ADO??
>
>Perhaps try declaring mrst with a NEW instance:
>
>Private mrst As *NEW* ADODB.Recordset
>
>...but why would it work for InvoiceDetail and not OrderDetail??
>
>Cheers,
>A
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Marcus Tewksbury [mailto:tewksbum at hotmail.com]
>Sent: Monday, 12 May 2003 1:28 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
>
>
>Yeap
>
>mrst has been declared...
>
>Option Compare Database
>Option Explicit
>
>Private mlngInvoiceDetailID As Long
>Private mlngInvoiceID As Long
>Private mlngOrderDetailID As Long
>Private mlngProductID As Long
>Private mintShipped As Integer
>Private mintCanceled As Integer
>Private mintBackOrdered As Integer
>Private mcurExtendedPrice As Currency
>Private mflgSubstituteFlag As Boolean
>Private mdteDateAdded As Date
>Private mdteLastUpdated As Date
>Private mflgActiveFlag As Boolean
>
>Private mrst As ADODB.Recordset  <- Here
>Private mflgAddFlag As Boolean
>Private mflgDirtyFlag As Boolean
>
>The problem seems to be directly related to passing a recordset into the
>class - through a sub or function.  I've tried making
>
>Public Function Load_byInvoiceDetail
>
>a sub and function - and have tried passing byVal and ByRef.  For testing I
>changed the paramter to (xrst as ADODB.recordset) and then passed in a 
>newly
>
>created, plain recordset and it still bombs.
>
>Of course, another question that stems from this - if you look at what my
>code is trying to accomplish - can you overload the initialize method?  
>That
>
>would be helpful!
>
>Thanks a million,
>
>- Tewks
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Michael R Mattys" <michael.mattys at adelphia.net>
> >Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
> >Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 23:09:37 -0400
> >
> >Marcus,
> >
> >Has mrst been set = to an ADO recordset
> >in the Declarations section?
> >
> >Mike Mattys
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Marcus Tewksbury" <tewksbum at hotmail.com>
> >To: <accessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 10:48 PM
> >Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
> >
> >
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > Ok - here is my issue - I thought I'd be really fancy and start
> > > encapsulating my tables in data classes - using properites and all 
>that
> >good
> > > stuff.  One issue that I am having is trying to pass in recordsets (or
> >other
> > > classes that also contain recordsets) into a class always gives me a
> >Type
> > > Mismatch or 438 error.
> > >
> > > The class files and code behind all reside in the same project.
> > >
> > > Any thoughts?  I'm stumped!
> > >
> > >
> > > Here are 2 snippets
> > >
> > >     Dim oInvoiceDetail As New InvoiceDetail
> > >     oInvoiceDetail.Load_byInvoiceID (Me.InvoiceID)
> > >
> > >     Dim oOrderDetail As New OrderDetail
> > >     oOrderDetail.Load_byInvoiceDetail (oInvoiceDetail) <-CRASHES HERE
> > >
> > >     While Not oOrderDetail.EOF
> > >         oOrderDetail.FilledFlag = False
> > >         oOrderDetail.MoveNext
> > >     Wend
> > >
> > > and ...
> > >
> > > Public Function Load_byInvoiceDetail(ByVal xInvoiceDetail As
> >InvoiceDetail)
> > >
> > >     Dim sstrSQL As String
> > >     Dim sflgNotFirst As Boolean
> > >
> > >     sstrSQL = "SELECT * FROM OrderDetail"
> > >
> > >     While Not xInvoiceDetail.EOF
> > >         If Not sflgNotFirst Then
> > >             sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " WHERE OrderDetailID = " &
> > > xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
> > >             sflgNotFirst = True
> > >         Else
> > >             sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " OR (OrderDetailID = " &
> > > xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
> > >         End If
> > >         xInvoiceDetail.MoveNext
> > >     Wend
> > >
> > >     With mrst
> > >         .CursorLocation = adUseClient
> > >         .CursorType = adOpenDynamic
> > >         .LockType = adLockBatchOptimistic
> > >         .Source = sstrSQL
> > >         .Open
> > >     End With
> > >
> > >     Call Scatter
> > >
> > > End Function
> > >
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From tewksbum at hotmail.com  Sun May 11 23:22:27 2003
From: tewksbum at hotmail.com (Marcus Tewksbury)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 23:22:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween - SOME
	PROGRESS
Message-ID: <Law9-F122yUoRKOHgPB00012e91@hotmail.com>

Well - figured out how to get a recordset in, but now, how to get user 
defined classes?

Public Sub Load_byInvoiceDetail(ByRef msrst As Variant)

    Dim sstrSQL As String
    Dim sflgNotFirst As Boolean

    Dim xInvoiceDetail As ADODB.Recordset
    Set xInvoiceDetail = msrst

Ok - so now I can pass in a recordset as a variant and then cast (sort of) a 
local variable to it.

The calling routine looks like...

    Dim oOrderDetail As New OrderDetail
    oOrderDetail.Load_byInvoiceDetail (oInvoiceDetail.mrstGet()) <- mrstGet 
returns the underlying recordset for the class

    While Not oOrderDetail.EOF
        oOrderDetail.FilledFlag = False
        oOrderDetail.MoveNext
    Wend

    Dim oInventory As New Inventory
    oInventory.Load_byOrderDetail (oOrderDetail.mrstGet())

So, while this will work for recordsets - it doesn't for user defined 
classes - I still get the same error.

So, should I be making the switch to VB.net?




>From: "Marcus Tewksbury" <tewksbum at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
>Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 23:11:45 -0500
>
>In this case it seems to be something specifically with recordsets - with 
>InvoiceDetail I am only passing in an integer - and I;ve tried New'ing the 
>recordset in the initialize - I'll give a look into referencing, but I 
>haven't had a problem with any other ADO issue until now!
>
>Ugh - this is frustrating!
>
>
>>From: "Haslett, Andrew" <andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au>
>>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
>>Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 13:32:56 +0930
>>
>>lol - we've only finally got overloading and inheritance into VB.Net!  
>>Very
>>doubtful we can do that in VBA.
>>
>>I was about to ask if you've tried passing byRef so that ones out the 
>>door.
>>
>>Another wild stab -> but I suppose this is still worth asking.  Haven't
>>forgot the references to ADO??
>>
>>Perhaps try declaring mrst with a NEW instance:
>>
>>Private mrst As *NEW* ADODB.Recordset
>>
>>...but why would it work for InvoiceDetail and not OrderDetail??
>>
>>Cheers,
>>A
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Marcus Tewksbury [mailto:tewksbum at hotmail.com]
>>Sent: Monday, 12 May 2003 1:28 PM
>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
>>
>>
>>Yeap
>>
>>mrst has been declared...
>>
>>Option Compare Database
>>Option Explicit
>>
>>Private mlngInvoiceDetailID As Long
>>Private mlngInvoiceID As Long
>>Private mlngOrderDetailID As Long
>>Private mlngProductID As Long
>>Private mintShipped As Integer
>>Private mintCanceled As Integer
>>Private mintBackOrdered As Integer
>>Private mcurExtendedPrice As Currency
>>Private mflgSubstituteFlag As Boolean
>>Private mdteDateAdded As Date
>>Private mdteLastUpdated As Date
>>Private mflgActiveFlag As Boolean
>>
>>Private mrst As ADODB.Recordset  <- Here
>>Private mflgAddFlag As Boolean
>>Private mflgDirtyFlag As Boolean
>>
>>The problem seems to be directly related to passing a recordset into the
>>class - through a sub or function.  I've tried making
>>
>>Public Function Load_byInvoiceDetail
>>
>>a sub and function - and have tried passing byVal and ByRef.  For testing 
>>I
>>changed the paramter to (xrst as ADODB.recordset) and then passed in a 
>>newly
>>
>>created, plain recordset and it still bombs.
>>
>>Of course, another question that stems from this - if you look at what my
>>code is trying to accomplish - can you overload the initialize method?  
>>That
>>
>>would be helpful!
>>
>>Thanks a million,
>>
>>- Tewks
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >From: "Michael R Mattys" <michael.mattys at adelphia.net>
>> >Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> >To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
>> >Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 23:09:37 -0400
>> >
>> >Marcus,
>> >
>> >Has mrst been set = to an ADO recordset
>> >in the Declarations section?
>> >
>> >Mike Mattys
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Marcus Tewksbury" <tewksbum at hotmail.com>
>> >To: <accessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>> >Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 10:48 PM
>> >Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
>> >
>> >
>> > > Hi everyone,
>> > >
>> > > Ok - here is my issue - I thought I'd be really fancy and start
>> > > encapsulating my tables in data classes - using properites and all 
>>that
>> >good
>> > > stuff.  One issue that I am having is trying to pass in recordsets 
>>(or
>> >other
>> > > classes that also contain recordsets) into a class always gives me a
>> >Type
>> > > Mismatch or 438 error.
>> > >
>> > > The class files and code behind all reside in the same project.
>> > >
>> > > Any thoughts?  I'm stumped!
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Here are 2 snippets
>> > >
>> > >     Dim oInvoiceDetail As New InvoiceDetail
>> > >     oInvoiceDetail.Load_byInvoiceID (Me.InvoiceID)
>> > >
>> > >     Dim oOrderDetail As New OrderDetail
>> > >     oOrderDetail.Load_byInvoiceDetail (oInvoiceDetail) <-CRASHES HERE
>> > >
>> > >     While Not oOrderDetail.EOF
>> > >         oOrderDetail.FilledFlag = False
>> > >         oOrderDetail.MoveNext
>> > >     Wend
>> > >
>> > > and ...
>> > >
>> > > Public Function Load_byInvoiceDetail(ByVal xInvoiceDetail As
>> >InvoiceDetail)
>> > >
>> > >     Dim sstrSQL As String
>> > >     Dim sflgNotFirst As Boolean
>> > >
>> > >     sstrSQL = "SELECT * FROM OrderDetail"
>> > >
>> > >     While Not xInvoiceDetail.EOF
>> > >         If Not sflgNotFirst Then
>> > >             sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " WHERE OrderDetailID = " &
>> > > xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
>> > >             sflgNotFirst = True
>> > >         Else
>> > >             sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " OR (OrderDetailID = " &
>> > > xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
>> > >         End If
>> > >         xInvoiceDetail.MoveNext
>> > >     Wend
>> > >
>> > >     With mrst
>> > >         .CursorLocation = adUseClient
>> > >         .CursorType = adOpenDynamic
>> > >         .LockType = adLockBatchOptimistic
>> > >         .Source = sstrSQL
>> > >         .Open
>> > >     End With
>> > >
>> > >     Call Scatter
>> > >
>> > > End Function
>> > >
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon May 12 04:28:08 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 02:28:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
In-Reply-To: <Law9-F118V3GykBbKP700012ca2@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFMEDCCIAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Marcus:

Have you declare your class?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Marcus
Tewksbury
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 7:49 PM
To: accessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween


Hi everyone,

Ok - here is my issue - I thought I'd be really fancy and start
encapsulating my tables in data classes - using properites and all that good
stuff.  One issue that I am having is trying to pass in recordsets (or other
classes that also contain recordsets) into a class always gives me a Type
Mismatch or 438 error.

The class files and code behind all reside in the same project.

Any thoughts?  I'm stumped!


Here are 2 snippets

    Dim oInvoiceDetail As New InvoiceDetail
    oInvoiceDetail.Load_byInvoiceID (Me.InvoiceID)

    Dim oOrderDetail As New OrderDetail
    oOrderDetail.Load_byInvoiceDetail (oInvoiceDetail) <-CRASHES HERE

    While Not oOrderDetail.EOF
        oOrderDetail.FilledFlag = False
        oOrderDetail.MoveNext
    Wend

and ...

Public Function Load_byInvoiceDetail(ByVal xInvoiceDetail As InvoiceDetail)

    Dim sstrSQL As String
    Dim sflgNotFirst As Boolean

    sstrSQL = "SELECT * FROM OrderDetail"

    While Not xInvoiceDetail.EOF
        If Not sflgNotFirst Then
            sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " WHERE OrderDetailID = " &
xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
            sflgNotFirst = True
        Else
            sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " OR (OrderDetailID = " &
xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
        End If
        xInvoiceDetail.MoveNext
    Wend

    With mrst
        .CursorLocation = adUseClient
        .CursorType = adOpenDynamic
        .LockType = adLockBatchOptimistic
        .Source = sstrSQL
        .Open
    End With

    Call Scatter

End Function

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon May 12 04:28:09 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 02:28:09 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
In-Reply-To: <Law9-F59DKicUbvBDxr00012fce@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFOEDCCIAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Marcus:

Don't you have to class get method to pass a recordset to the class? You
have referenced the ADO?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Marcus
Tewksbury
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 8:58 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween


Yeap

mrst has been declared...

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Private mlngInvoiceDetailID As Long
Private mlngInvoiceID As Long
Private mlngOrderDetailID As Long
Private mlngProductID As Long
Private mintShipped As Integer
Private mintCanceled As Integer
Private mintBackOrdered As Integer
Private mcurExtendedPrice As Currency
Private mflgSubstituteFlag As Boolean
Private mdteDateAdded As Date
Private mdteLastUpdated As Date
Private mflgActiveFlag As Boolean

Private mrst As ADODB.Recordset  <- Here
Private mflgAddFlag As Boolean
Private mflgDirtyFlag As Boolean

The problem seems to be directly related to passing a recordset into the
class - through a sub or function.  I've tried making

Public Function Load_byInvoiceDetail

a sub and function - and have tried passing byVal and ByRef.  For testing I
changed the paramter to (xrst as ADODB.recordset) and then passed in a newly
created, plain recordset and it still bombs.

Of course, another question that stems from this - if you look at what my
code is trying to accomplish - can you overload the initialize method?  That
would be helpful!

Thanks a million,

- Tewks





>From: "Michael R Mattys" <michael.mattys at adelphia.net>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
>Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 23:09:37 -0400
>
>Marcus,
>
>Has mrst been set = to an ADO recordset
>in the Declarations section?
>
>Mike Mattys
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Marcus Tewksbury" <tewksbum at hotmail.com>
>To: <accessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 10:48 PM
>Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
>
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Ok - here is my issue - I thought I'd be really fancy and start
> > encapsulating my tables in data classes - using properites and all that
>good
> > stuff.  One issue that I am having is trying to pass in recordsets (or
>other
> > classes that also contain recordsets) into a class always gives me a
>Type
> > Mismatch or 438 error.
> >
> > The class files and code behind all reside in the same project.
> >
> > Any thoughts?  I'm stumped!
> >
> >
> > Here are 2 snippets
> >
> >     Dim oInvoiceDetail As New InvoiceDetail
> >     oInvoiceDetail.Load_byInvoiceID (Me.InvoiceID)
> >
> >     Dim oOrderDetail As New OrderDetail
> >     oOrderDetail.Load_byInvoiceDetail (oInvoiceDetail) <-CRASHES HERE
> >
> >     While Not oOrderDetail.EOF
> >         oOrderDetail.FilledFlag = False
> >         oOrderDetail.MoveNext
> >     Wend
> >
> > and ...
> >
> > Public Function Load_byInvoiceDetail(ByVal xInvoiceDetail As
>InvoiceDetail)
> >
> >     Dim sstrSQL As String
> >     Dim sflgNotFirst As Boolean
> >
> >     sstrSQL = "SELECT * FROM OrderDetail"
> >
> >     While Not xInvoiceDetail.EOF
> >         If Not sflgNotFirst Then
> >             sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " WHERE OrderDetailID = " &
> > xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
> >             sflgNotFirst = True
> >         Else
> >             sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " OR (OrderDetailID = " &
> > xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
> >         End If
> >         xInvoiceDetail.MoveNext
> >     Wend
> >
> >     With mrst
> >         .CursorLocation = adUseClient
> >         .CursorType = adOpenDynamic
> >         .LockType = adLockBatchOptimistic
> >         .Source = sstrSQL
> >         .Open
> >     End With
> >
> >     Call Scatter
> >
> > End Function
> >
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon May 12 04:38:54 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 02:38:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets,
 and problems inbetween - SOME	PROGRESS
In-Reply-To: <Law9-F122yUoRKOHgPB00012e91@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFIEDDCIAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Marcus:

I have been using code like:

Dim rsExpiredCards As New ADODB.Recordset

Set rsExpiredCards = ExpiredCards().Clone
With rsExpiredCards
	....

Public Function ExpiredCards() As ADODB.Recordset

	Set ExpiredCards = New ADODB.Recordset
	..... fill recordset

End function

HTH
Jim

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Marcus
Tewksbury
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 9:22 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween -
SOME PROGRESS


Well - figured out how to get a recordset in, but now, how to get user
defined classes?

Public Sub Load_byInvoiceDetail(ByRef msrst As Variant)

    Dim sstrSQL As String
    Dim sflgNotFirst As Boolean

    Dim xInvoiceDetail As ADODB.Recordset
    Set xInvoiceDetail = msrst

Ok - so now I can pass in a recordset as a variant and then cast (sort of) a
local variable to it.

The calling routine looks like...

    Dim oOrderDetail As New OrderDetail
    oOrderDetail.Load_byInvoiceDetail (oInvoiceDetail.mrstGet()) <- mrstGet
returns the underlying recordset for the class

    While Not oOrderDetail.EOF
        oOrderDetail.FilledFlag = False
        oOrderDetail.MoveNext
    Wend

    Dim oInventory As New Inventory
    oInventory.Load_byOrderDetail (oOrderDetail.mrstGet())

So, while this will work for recordsets - it doesn't for user defined
classes - I still get the same error.

So, should I be making the switch to VB.net?




>From: "Marcus Tewksbury" <tewksbum at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
>Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 23:11:45 -0500
>
>In this case it seems to be something specifically with recordsets - with
>InvoiceDetail I am only passing in an integer - and I;ve tried New'ing the
>recordset in the initialize - I'll give a look into referencing, but I
>haven't had a problem with any other ADO issue until now!
>
>Ugh - this is frustrating!
>
>
>>From: "Haslett, Andrew" <andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au>
>>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
>>Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 13:32:56 +0930
>>
>>lol - we've only finally got overloading and inheritance into VB.Net!
>>Very
>>doubtful we can do that in VBA.
>>
>>I was about to ask if you've tried passing byRef so that ones out the
>>door.
>>
>>Another wild stab -> but I suppose this is still worth asking.  Haven't
>>forgot the references to ADO??
>>
>>Perhaps try declaring mrst with a NEW instance:
>>
>>Private mrst As *NEW* ADODB.Recordset
>>
>>...but why would it work for InvoiceDetail and not OrderDetail??
>>
>>Cheers,
>>A
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Marcus Tewksbury [mailto:tewksbum at hotmail.com]
>>Sent: Monday, 12 May 2003 1:28 PM
>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
>>
>>
>>Yeap
>>
>>mrst has been declared...
>>
>>Option Compare Database
>>Option Explicit
>>
>>Private mlngInvoiceDetailID As Long
>>Private mlngInvoiceID As Long
>>Private mlngOrderDetailID As Long
>>Private mlngProductID As Long
>>Private mintShipped As Integer
>>Private mintCanceled As Integer
>>Private mintBackOrdered As Integer
>>Private mcurExtendedPrice As Currency
>>Private mflgSubstituteFlag As Boolean
>>Private mdteDateAdded As Date
>>Private mdteLastUpdated As Date
>>Private mflgActiveFlag As Boolean
>>
>>Private mrst As ADODB.Recordset  <- Here
>>Private mflgAddFlag As Boolean
>>Private mflgDirtyFlag As Boolean
>>
>>The problem seems to be directly related to passing a recordset into the
>>class - through a sub or function.  I've tried making
>>
>>Public Function Load_byInvoiceDetail
>>
>>a sub and function - and have tried passing byVal and ByRef.  For testing
>>I
>>changed the paramter to (xrst as ADODB.recordset) and then passed in a
>>newly
>>
>>created, plain recordset and it still bombs.
>>
>>Of course, another question that stems from this - if you look at what my
>>code is trying to accomplish - can you overload the initialize method?
>>That
>>
>>would be helpful!
>>
>>Thanks a million,
>>
>>- Tewks
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >From: "Michael R Mattys" <michael.mattys at adelphia.net>
>> >Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> >To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
>> >Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 23:09:37 -0400
>> >
>> >Marcus,
>> >
>> >Has mrst been set = to an ADO recordset
>> >in the Declarations section?
>> >
>> >Mike Mattys
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Marcus Tewksbury" <tewksbum at hotmail.com>
>> >To: <accessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>> >Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 10:48 PM
>> >Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
>> >
>> >
>> > > Hi everyone,
>> > >
>> > > Ok - here is my issue - I thought I'd be really fancy and start
>> > > encapsulating my tables in data classes - using properites and all
>>that
>> >good
>> > > stuff.  One issue that I am having is trying to pass in recordsets
>>(or
>> >other
>> > > classes that also contain recordsets) into a class always gives me a
>> >Type
>> > > Mismatch or 438 error.
>> > >
>> > > The class files and code behind all reside in the same project.
>> > >
>> > > Any thoughts?  I'm stumped!
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Here are 2 snippets
>> > >
>> > >     Dim oInvoiceDetail As New InvoiceDetail
>> > >     oInvoiceDetail.Load_byInvoiceID (Me.InvoiceID)
>> > >
>> > >     Dim oOrderDetail As New OrderDetail
>> > >     oOrderDetail.Load_byInvoiceDetail (oInvoiceDetail) <-CRASHES HERE
>> > >
>> > >     While Not oOrderDetail.EOF
>> > >         oOrderDetail.FilledFlag = False
>> > >         oOrderDetail.MoveNext
>> > >     Wend
>> > >
>> > > and ...
>> > >
>> > > Public Function Load_byInvoiceDetail(ByVal xInvoiceDetail As
>> >InvoiceDetail)
>> > >
>> > >     Dim sstrSQL As String
>> > >     Dim sflgNotFirst As Boolean
>> > >
>> > >     sstrSQL = "SELECT * FROM OrderDetail"
>> > >
>> > >     While Not xInvoiceDetail.EOF
>> > >         If Not sflgNotFirst Then
>> > >             sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " WHERE OrderDetailID = " &
>> > > xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
>> > >             sflgNotFirst = True
>> > >         Else
>> > >             sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " OR (OrderDetailID = " &
>> > > xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
>> > >         End If
>> > >         xInvoiceDetail.MoveNext
>> > >     Wend
>> > >
>> > >     With mrst
>> > >         .CursorLocation = adUseClient
>> > >         .CursorType = adOpenDynamic
>> > >         .LockType = adLockBatchOptimistic
>> > >         .Source = sstrSQL
>> > >         .Open
>> > >     End With
>> > >
>> > >     Call Scatter
>> > >
>> > > End Function
>> > >
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From Alun.Garraway at otto.de  Mon May 12 05:24:53 2003
From: Alun.Garraway at otto.de (Garraway, Alun)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:24:53 +0200
Subject: AW: [AccessD] OT - Anyone using  the Excel-L list? 
Message-ID: <9F7DD6E5DB1ED611B4B10002A542365C013AE352@ntovmail05.ov.otto.de>

hi,

over the weekend there were about 100 posts.

also saw your post "Anyone out there?"
which recieved 3 or 4 replies.

alun

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: MarkH [mailto:markH at bitgen.co.uk]
Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Mai 2003 11:11
An: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Betreff: [AccessD] OT - Anyone using the Excel-L list? 


Hi All

Sorry for the OT post. I subscribed to the Excel-L list a couple of
wekes ago (saw it mentioned in someone else post) and have so far seen
not a single email. I have checkec my subscription options and it looks
fine. Is it just a very quiet list?

Cheers

Mark

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From MarkH at bitgen.co.uk  Mon May 12 05:31:45 2003
From: MarkH at bitgen.co.uk (Mark H)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:31:45 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Anyone using  the Excel-L list? 
In-Reply-To: <9F7DD6E5DB1ED611B4B10002A542365C013AE352@ntovmail05.ov.otto.de>
Message-ID: <000301c31871$afa345f0$2239fc3e@netboxxp>

Cheers Alun

I have tried re-subscribing and still no joy :o(

I'm using exactly the same details as with this list too

Thanks

Mark

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Alun
Sent: 12 May 2003 11:25
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: AW: [AccessD] OT - Anyone using the Excel-L list? 


hi,

over the weekend there were about 100 posts.

also saw your post "Anyone out there?"
which recieved 3 or 4 replies.

alun

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Hi All

Sorry for the OT post. I subscribed to the Excel-L list a couple of
wekes ago (saw it mentioned in someone else post) and have so far seen
not a single email. I have checkec my subscription options and it looks
fine. Is it just a very quiet list?

Cheers

Mark

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From ryan.smethurst at bromley.gov.uk  Mon May 12 05:53:48 2003
From: ryan.smethurst at bromley.gov.uk (Smethurst, Ryan)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:53:48 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Compacting problem
Message-ID: <F4FD32CEB33B314B9187B3A6599B3D6E891CEE@lbbx2ktemp1.corp.int.bromley.gov.uk>

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Hi All,
 
I have an A2K database that has been working fine but recently seems to have
a problem when compacting (on exit).  I'm getting an error message 'Could
not find field 'description' and the compact is then stopping.
 
Does anyone know why?
 
Or how I can find out where that field is meant to be? 
 
TIA
 
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Mon May 12 05:59:54 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:59:54 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Compacting problem
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039568E4@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

I don't know about the compact error, but for hunting down fields/controls
causing errors, I'd recommend Rick Fisher's Find & Replace utility
(www.rickworld.com <http://www.rickworld.com> ).
 
Roz

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Subject: [AccessD] Compacting problem



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Hi All,
 
I have an A2K database that has been working fine but recently seems to have
a problem when compacting (on exit).  I'm getting an error message 'Could
not find field 'description' and the compact is then stopping.
 
Does anyone know why?
 
Or how I can find out where that field is meant to be? 
 
TIA
 
RyanS

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From ryan.smethurst at bromley.gov.uk  Mon May 12 06:19:33 2003
From: ryan.smethurst at bromley.gov.uk (Smethurst, Ryan)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:19:33 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Compacting problem
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Thanks Roz,
 
Will try that.

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I don't know about the compact error, but for hunting down fields/controls
causing errors, I'd recommend Rick Fisher's Find & Replace utility (
www.rickworld.com <http://www.rickworld.com> ).
 
Roz

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Hi All,
 
I have an A2K database that has been working fine but recently seems to have
a problem when compacting (on exit).  I'm getting an error message 'Could
not find field 'description' and the compact is then stopping.
 
Does anyone know why?
 
Or how I can find out where that field is meant to be? 
 
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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Mon May 12 06:21:44 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 07:21:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SourceSafe and Access97 - again.
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30333163@ADGSERVER>

Hi,

Seven of the nine have things in common with each other.

Thanks,
Bobby

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz, Charles
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:45 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SourceSafe and Access97 - again.


Bobby,

Is there anything in common about these 9 queries?  Such as do they all
have a table in common?  If you can determine what they all have in
common, then you can narrow down your search for the problem.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



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From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 09 13:41
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] SourceSafe and Access97 - again.

Hi all,

I posted on this a while back and got a few answers.  I followed the
suggestions about building from SS instead of "get latest."  But I am
still having problems.

Basically, I have this FE in SS.  When I do a "create database from
SourceSafe project", there are these 9 queries (out of several hundred)
that always are empty.  Get latest does not bring the data down.
Basically, I have resorted to backing up the queries in another DB
before doing a create database from SS.  I then have to manually cut and
paste the SQL from the queries between the 2 databases.  A royal PIA!

Anyone have any suggestions as to why this may be happening?  It is the
same set of queries every time.  Any suggestions on how to fix this
issue?

Thanks,
Bobby
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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Mon May 12 06:24:56 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 07:24:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SourceSafe and Access97 - again.
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30333164@ADGSERVER>

Hi Charlotte,

Empty, as when you create a new query.  There is nothing in it except for
the standard "Select;".

We are always putting out point releases for this app as they always want
more added.  Each time I do a release, I create a new SS project.  I have
not tried to delete the objects out of SS and re-adding them.  I will give
that a try.

The weird thing is, once I put them back in, I can check them out, modify,
and pout them back and all is well.

Thanks,
Bobby

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:14 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SourceSafe and Access97 - again.


What do you mean by "always empty"?  You mean they don't get created in
the database or they don't work properly or what?    You might try
deleting those queries from the SS project entirely or at least renaming
them.  Then create a new database from source safe and add the queries
back as new objects, creating them from scratch.  If you delete the old
ones instead of renaming, then don't allow the project to recover the
old version, make it accept the new one.  See if that makes a
difference.   

Occasionally, a SS project becomes corrupt and the only thing you can do
is create a new project from a working version of the application that
is outside of source safe.  Unfortunately, you lose your history that
way, but that's better than the alternatives.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 10:41 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] SourceSafe and Access97 - again.


Hi all,

I posted on this a while back and got a few answers.  I followed the
suggestions about building from SS instead of "get latest."  But I am
still having problems.

Basically, I have this FE in SS.  When I do a "create database from
SourceSafe project", there are these 9 queries (out of several hundred)
that always are empty.  Get latest does not bring the data down.
Basically, I have resorted to backing up the queries in another DB
before doing a create database from SS.  I then have to manually cut and
paste the SQL from the queries between the 2 databases.  A royal PIA!

Anyone have any suggestions as to why this may be happening?  It is the
same set of queries every time.  Any suggestions on how to fix this
issue?

Thanks,
Bobby
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From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Mon May 12 07:15:32 2003
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 08:15:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] subreport parent
Message-ID: <007b01c31880$2fc92de0$a2c50a44@hr.cox.net>

In an Access 97 database, I have a subreport that is used by 2 different "parent" reports.  In the subreport code, how can I determine which parent I am using at the time?  I have tried a variety of syntax, but nothing will return the name of the parent report.

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon May 12 07:23:03 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 08:23:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
In-Reply-To: <Law9-F59DKicUbvBDxr00012fce@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEKMDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Overloading definitely is not supported in Access VBA.

I have passed DAO databases and recordsets into functions so I know that
works.  I can't imagine that the same wouldn't work for ADO.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Marcus
Tewksbury
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 11:58 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween


Yeap

mrst has been declared...

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Private mlngInvoiceDetailID As Long
Private mlngInvoiceID As Long
Private mlngOrderDetailID As Long
Private mlngProductID As Long
Private mintShipped As Integer
Private mintCanceled As Integer
Private mintBackOrdered As Integer
Private mcurExtendedPrice As Currency
Private mflgSubstituteFlag As Boolean
Private mdteDateAdded As Date
Private mdteLastUpdated As Date
Private mflgActiveFlag As Boolean

Private mrst As ADODB.Recordset  <- Here
Private mflgAddFlag As Boolean
Private mflgDirtyFlag As Boolean

The problem seems to be directly related to passing a recordset into the
class - through a sub or function.  I've tried making

Public Function Load_byInvoiceDetail

a sub and function - and have tried passing byVal and ByRef.  For testing I
changed the paramter to (xrst as ADODB.recordset) and then passed in a newly
created, plain recordset and it still bombs.

Of course, another question that stems from this - if you look at what my
code is trying to accomplish - can you overload the initialize method?  That
would be helpful!

Thanks a million,

- Tewks





>From: "Michael R Mattys" <michael.mattys at adelphia.net>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
>Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 23:09:37 -0400
>
>Marcus,
>
>Has mrst been set = to an ADO recordset
>in the Declarations section?
>
>Mike Mattys
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Marcus Tewksbury" <tewksbum at hotmail.com>
>To: <accessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 10:48 PM
>Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
>
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Ok - here is my issue - I thought I'd be really fancy and start
> > encapsulating my tables in data classes - using properites and all that
>good
> > stuff.  One issue that I am having is trying to pass in recordsets (or
>other
> > classes that also contain recordsets) into a class always gives me a
>Type
> > Mismatch or 438 error.
> >
> > The class files and code behind all reside in the same project.
> >
> > Any thoughts?  I'm stumped!
> >
> >
> > Here are 2 snippets
> >
> >     Dim oInvoiceDetail As New InvoiceDetail
> >     oInvoiceDetail.Load_byInvoiceID (Me.InvoiceID)
> >
> >     Dim oOrderDetail As New OrderDetail
> >     oOrderDetail.Load_byInvoiceDetail (oInvoiceDetail) <-CRASHES HERE
> >
> >     While Not oOrderDetail.EOF
> >         oOrderDetail.FilledFlag = False
> >         oOrderDetail.MoveNext
> >     Wend
> >
> > and ...
> >
> > Public Function Load_byInvoiceDetail(ByVal xInvoiceDetail As
>InvoiceDetail)
> >
> >     Dim sstrSQL As String
> >     Dim sflgNotFirst As Boolean
> >
> >     sstrSQL = "SELECT * FROM OrderDetail"
> >
> >     While Not xInvoiceDetail.EOF
> >         If Not sflgNotFirst Then
> >             sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " WHERE OrderDetailID = " &
> > xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
> >             sflgNotFirst = True
> >         Else
> >             sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " OR (OrderDetailID = " &
> > xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
> >         End If
> >         xInvoiceDetail.MoveNext
> >     Wend
> >
> >     With mrst
> >         .CursorLocation = adUseClient
> >         .CursorType = adOpenDynamic
> >         .LockType = adLockBatchOptimistic
> >         .Source = sstrSQL
> >         .Open
> >     End With
> >
> >     Call Scatter
> >
> > End Function
> >
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From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Mon May 12 07:26:50 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 14:26:50 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] subreport parent
References: <007b01c31880$2fc92de0$a2c50a44@hr.cox.net>
Message-ID: <341001c31881$c3b60680$0300a8c0@S856>

me.parent.name gives you the name of the parent report (at least for forms it works)
Lembit Soobik

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Barbara Ryan 
  To: Access List 
  Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 2:15 PM
  Subject: [AccessD] subreport parent


  In an Access 97 database, I have a subreport that is used by 2 different "parent" reports.  In the subreport code, how can I determine which parent I am using at the time?  I have tried a variety of syntax, but nothing will return the name of the parent report.

  Thanks,
  Barb


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon May 12 07:35:50 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 14:35:50 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEKMDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEKMDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <6722524107.20030512143550@cactus.dk>

Hi John

> Overloading definitely is not supported in Access VBA.

Just thinking logically:
If that was the case it wouldn't be overloading?

(Guess I'm showing that I have no idea of what overloading in VB is
about).

/gustav


From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Mon May 12 07:39:11 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 07:39:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] subreport parent
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357E3@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Barb,

If Lembit's suggestion doesn't work, then I suggest you pass the name of
the calling report as a parameter to the called report.

Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
-----Original Message-----
From: Lembit Soobik [mailto:Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de] 
Sent: Monday 2003 May 12 07:27
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] subreport parent


me.parent.name gives you the name of the parent report (at least for
forms it works)
Lembit Soobik

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Barbara Ryan 
To: Access List 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 2:15 PM
Subject: [AccessD] subreport parent


In an Access 97 database, I have a subreport that is used by 2 different
"parent" reports.  In the subreport code, how can I determine which
parent I am using at the time?  I have tried a variety of syntax, but
nothing will return the name of the parent report.

Thanks,
Barb

From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Mon May 12 07:47:38 2003
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 08:47:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] subreport parent
References: <007b01c31880$2fc92de0$a2c50a44@hr.cox.net>
	<341001c31881$c3b60680$0300a8c0@S856>
Message-ID: <009a01c31884$abc6fb80$a2c50a44@hr.cox.net>

Thanks, Lembit....that did it......................Barb
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Lembit Soobik 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 8:26 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] subreport parent


  me.parent.name gives you the name of the parent report (at least for forms it works)
  Lembit Soobik

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Barbara Ryan 
    To: Access List 
    Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 2:15 PM
    Subject: [AccessD] subreport parent


    In an Access 97 database, I have a subreport that is used by 2 different "parent" reports.  In the subreport code, how can I determine which parent I am using at the time?  I have tried a variety of syntax, but nothing will return the name of the parent report.

    Thanks,
    Barb


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon May 12 07:51:50 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 08:51:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
In-Reply-To: <6722524107.20030512143550@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEKPDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Gustav

With true OO with inheritance, a function that is available in the parent
class can be replaced in the child class so that whatever functionality the
parent's function provided can be overriden.  Overloading is a method of
performing this processing in the class, but further allows the parameters
passed in to the class to be replaced as well.  For example FunctionA in one
child class may accept an integer, in another it may accept a real.  Since
the parameters are different, the correct child class can automatically be
selected by the runtime based on the type of data passed in.  If I am
passing in an integer I must be intending to use that specific child class,
whereas if I pass in a float I must intend to use this other child.

Since Access only has interface inheritance, it doesn't implement any of the
OO stuff of more powerful languages (such as VB.Net), and all discussions of
such capabilities is moot.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 8:36 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween


Hi John

> Overloading definitely is not supported in Access VBA.

Just thinking logically:
If that was the case it wouldn't be overloading?

(Guess I'm showing that I have no idea of what overloading in VB is
about).

/gustav

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From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Mon May 12 07:56:15 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 14:56:15 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] subreport parent
References: 	<007b01c31880$2fc92de0$a2c50a44@hr.cox.net><341001c31881$c3b60680$0300a8c0@S856>
	<009a01c31884$abc6fb80$a2c50a44@hr.cox.net>
Message-ID: <344c01c31885$dff26e70$0300a8c0@S856>

:-))
Lembit Soobik

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Barbara Ryan 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 2:47 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] subreport parent


  Thanks, Lembit....that did it......................Barb
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Lembit Soobik 
    To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
    Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 8:26 AM
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] subreport parent


    me.parent.name gives you the name of the parent report (at least for forms it works)
    Lembit Soobik

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Barbara Ryan 
      To: Access List 
      Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 2:15 PM
      Subject: [AccessD] subreport parent


      In an Access 97 database, I have a subreport that is used by 2 different "parent" reports.  In the subreport code, how can I determine which parent I am using at the time?  I have tried a variety of syntax, but nothing will return the name of the parent report.

      Thanks,
      Barb


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From mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com  Mon May 12 09:26:34 2003
From: mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com (Mark Whittinghill)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 08:26:34 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Downgrading to ODE 2000
References: <000701c31654$d2562230$0400000a@PASCAL> <3EBC2ACA.60106@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <02d201c31892$7d864830$0400000a@PASCAL>

OK, thanks.  I thought that things may have changed, but I had problems with
the legalese.

Mark Whittinghill
Symphony Information Services
612-333-1311
mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "MartyConnelly" <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Downgrading to ODE 2000


> They changed the option, you can only get a downgrade if you have a
> minimum 5 unit volume license.
> http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/downloads/downgrade_rights.doc
> http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/downloads/downgrade_chart.doc
> or search for downgrade
> http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/resources/volbrief.asp
>
>  That leaves you with 2 options.
>
> 1. Buy from a reseller. They usually pick up multiple copies from
> governments or bankruptcies (a lot of dot com's out there)
> Try places like
> http://www.viosoftware.com
>  Office 2000 pro around $400 US or developers edition $ 600
> Buying off E-Bay may get you lower prices but you may get a CD and
> directions to a warez site for a key hack.
>
> 2. MS Part #: 534-02125  -  MSDN Universal 7.0 Subscription
>
> The MSDN Universal includes nearly $48,000 worth of software. Developer's
> versions of Office 97/2000/XP, Windows 95/98/2000/XP, SQL Server 7.0/2000,
> Windows Server, .NET beta/2000, Exchange Server 5.5/2000, BizTalk Server,
> Project 2002 and Visio 2002 are included (Plus much more!). You will
> receive 12 months of Subscriptions services including monthly and beta
> shipments, access to the Subscriber's web site, 4 technical support
> incidents,
>  Price for Professional edition is around $1100 and with a $300 mail
> rebate on DVD purchase.
> You may have to download old versions of office from MSDN site as ISO
> images and burn to a CD.
>
>
> Mark Whittinghill wrote:
>
> >Does M$ have a downgrade option to get ODE 2000 if you have the XP
version?
> >I looked on the site and can't figure out the legalese.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Mark Whittinghill
> >Symphony Information Services
> >612-333-1311
> >mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
> >
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From artful at rogers.com  Mon May 12 08:28:01 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:28:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEKPDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00c901c3188a$4f5f6070$8e01a8c0@Rock>

Not quite, JC. Overloading means that a single method name can have several
signatures. The second through nth overload need not be in a child class.
Any given class, for example, could have two or more Init() methods: one
that takes no parameters, one that accepts say an int and a string, and a
third that accepts an int, a string and a date. The rules of overloading
are: you cannot have two methods with identical signatures. If you create a
child method with the same name as a parent method, that calls the parent
method either before or after running its own code, that is not overloading;
that is extending.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: May 12, 2003 8:52 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween


Gustav

With true OO with inheritance, a function that is available in the parent
class can be replaced in the child class so that whatever functionality the
parent's function provided can be overriden.  Overloading is a method of
performing this processing in the class, but further allows the parameters
passed in to the class to be replaced as well.  For example FunctionA in one
child class may accept an integer, in another it may accept a real.  Since
the parameters are different, the correct child class can automatically be
selected by the runtime based on the type of data passed in.  If I am
passing in an integer I must be intending to use that specific child class,
whereas if I pass in a float I must intend to use this other child.

Since Access only has interface inheritance, it doesn't implement any of the
OO stuff of more powerful languages (such as VB.Net), and all discussions of
such capabilities is moot.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 8:36 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween


Hi John

> Overloading definitely is not supported in Access VBA.

Just thinking logically:
If that was the case it wouldn't be overloading?

(Guess I'm showing that I have no idea of what overloading in VB is about).

/gustav

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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Mon May 12 08:52:49 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:52:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SourceSafe and Access97 - again.
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA30333167@ADGSERVER>

Update to my last e-mail.

I tried deleting the queries from SourceSafe, then imported the queries from
a non SS db.  When creating the db from SS, I get the same problem.

I create copies of the queries in the db when I take it out of SS.  SO I can
get the queries back, it is just a pain to do each time and I'd like to
correct the problem if I could.  So along those lines, I am not expecting
anyone to put a lot of effort into this issue.  I find it strange that no
one else here seems to have ever had this problem.

Thanks again,
Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 7:25 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SourceSafe and Access97 - again.


Hi Charlotte,

Empty, as when you create a new query.  There is nothing in it except for
the standard "Select;".

We are always putting out point releases for this app as they always want
more added.  Each time I do a release, I create a new SS project.  I have
not tried to delete the objects out of SS and re-adding them.  I will give
that a try.

The weird thing is, once I put them back in, I can check them out, modify,
and pout them back and all is well.

Thanks,
Bobby

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:14 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SourceSafe and Access97 - again.


What do you mean by "always empty"?  You mean they don't get created in
the database or they don't work properly or what?    You might try
deleting those queries from the SS project entirely or at least renaming
them.  Then create a new database from source safe and add the queries
back as new objects, creating them from scratch.  If you delete the old
ones instead of renaming, then don't allow the project to recover the
old version, make it accept the new one.  See if that makes a
difference.   

Occasionally, a SS project becomes corrupt and the only thing you can do
is create a new project from a working version of the application that
is outside of source safe.  Unfortunately, you lose your history that
way, but that's better than the alternatives.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 10:41 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] SourceSafe and Access97 - again.


Hi all,

I posted on this a while back and got a few answers.  I followed the
suggestions about building from SS instead of "get latest."  But I am
still having problems.

Basically, I have this FE in SS.  When I do a "create database from
SourceSafe project", there are these 9 queries (out of several hundred)
that always are empty.  Get latest does not bring the data down.
Basically, I have resorted to backing up the queries in another DB
before doing a create database from SS.  I then have to manually cut and
paste the SQL from the queries between the 2 databases.  A royal PIA!

Anyone have any suggestions as to why this may be happening?  It is the
same set of queries every time.  Any suggestions on how to fix this
issue?

Thanks,
Bobby
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon May 12 08:52:10 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:52:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
In-Reply-To: <00c901c3188a$4f5f6070$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKELBDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Arthur,

Disclaimer: I have been out of real OO for way too long, and just getting
back in with VB.net so you can of course take anything I say on the subject
with a grain of salt.

I was simply trying to give Gustav a feeling for the concept.

I read all of this stuff in my book a month or two ago and was going on
memory.  We all know what THAT means! ;-)

John W. Colby
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 9:28 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween


Not quite, JC. Overloading means that a single method name can have several
signatures. The second through nth overload need not be in a child class.
Any given class, for example, could have two or more Init() methods: one
that takes no parameters, one that accepts say an int and a string, and a
third that accepts an int, a string and a date. The rules of overloading
are: you cannot have two methods with identical signatures. If you create a
child method with the same name as a parent method, that calls the parent
method either before or after running its own code, that is not overloading;
that is extending.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: May 12, 2003 8:52 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween


Gustav

With true OO with inheritance, a function that is available in the parent
class can be replaced in the child class so that whatever functionality the
parent's function provided can be overriden.  Overloading is a method of
performing this processing in the class, but further allows the parameters
passed in to the class to be replaced as well.  For example FunctionA in one
child class may accept an integer, in another it may accept a real.  Since
the parameters are different, the correct child class can automatically be
selected by the runtime based on the type of data passed in.  If I am
passing in an integer I must be intending to use that specific child class,
whereas if I pass in a float I must intend to use this other child.

Since Access only has interface inheritance, it doesn't implement any of the
OO stuff of more powerful languages (such as VB.Net), and all discussions of
such capabilities is moot.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com





From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon May 12 09:10:41 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 10:10:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studie.NET - Is it a bug?
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKELCDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Has anyone run into the properties box not expanding out when you put the
cursor over it?  I have a specific project where I know this is happening.
if you unpin the properties box it "deflates" to a little icon.  Putting the
cursor over it is supposed to cause it to expand out so that the properties
can be seen.  Other such icons work correctly - the project explorer etc.,
but the properties dialog doesn't.

However it isn't just "never does".  It works fine until I run the project,
after which it fails to expand correctly to allow seeing the properties.  I
have to shut down the project and re-open, then it functions correctly
again.  I have taken to pinning the properties dialog open since that works
around the problem.  The fact that this happens after running the project
leads me to believe that this is a feature and I am not doing something
correctly.

Whichever it is, it is a PITA.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon May 12 09:16:16 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 10:16:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net - Trackbar
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCELDDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Is there any way to "reverse" the trackbar?  If you position it vertically,
the slider is at the bottom when the value of the trackbar control is small.
I want the slider handle to be at the top when it is small.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From tewksbum at hotmail.com  Mon May 12 09:58:39 2003
From: tewksbum at hotmail.com (Marcus Tewksbury)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:58:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween - SOME
	PROGRESS
Message-ID: <Law9-F850Ne0PaLI9mK00014e39@hotmail.com>

Jim,

How do I declare my class?  From memory past I remember in OO needing a 
declaration of all the classes methods and properties at the top of the 
class.  Is this the case with VBA?

Right now - in the form code - I have something like...

Dim oCampaignInvoice As New CampaignInvoice
Call oCampaignInvoice.Load_byInvoiceOrder(oInvoice, Me.cboOrderID)

As you suggested in a later email - I was able to create a (Search)rst 
property for my class - which I could set, and then access from within the 
Load functions (without passing in any parameters).

Also, in a later email I suggested that passing in a recordset as a variant 
and then trying to recast to a recordset doesn't work.  The variant is 
actually a multidimensional array.  It bombed when I loaded data.

I'll try playing around with passing in clones.

And to John Colby - could you please explain more about the parameters were 
using.  Specifically what I am trying to accomplish is passing a dataclass 
(inclusive of recordset) to another data class.

Open to comment from anyone!  My reason for passing one dataclass to another 
- is to build the SQL for say retrieving all InvoiceDetails for a given 
Invoice.

Any more thoughts out there?

- Tewks


>From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween - 
>SOME	PROGRESS
>Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 02:38:54 -0700
>
>Hi Marcus:
>
>I have been using code like:
>
>Dim rsExpiredCards As New ADODB.Recordset
>
>Set rsExpiredCards = ExpiredCards().Clone
>With rsExpiredCards
>	....
>
>Public Function ExpiredCards() As ADODB.Recordset
>
>	Set ExpiredCards = New ADODB.Recordset
>	..... fill recordset
>
>End function
>
>HTH
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Marcus
>Tewksbury
>Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 9:22 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween -
>SOME PROGRESS
>
>
>Well - figured out how to get a recordset in, but now, how to get user
>defined classes?
>
>Public Sub Load_byInvoiceDetail(ByRef msrst As Variant)
>
>     Dim sstrSQL As String
>     Dim sflgNotFirst As Boolean
>
>     Dim xInvoiceDetail As ADODB.Recordset
>     Set xInvoiceDetail = msrst
>
>Ok - so now I can pass in a recordset as a variant and then cast (sort of) 
>a
>local variable to it.
>
>The calling routine looks like...
>
>     Dim oOrderDetail As New OrderDetail
>     oOrderDetail.Load_byInvoiceDetail (oInvoiceDetail.mrstGet()) <- 
>mrstGet
>returns the underlying recordset for the class
>
>     While Not oOrderDetail.EOF
>         oOrderDetail.FilledFlag = False
>         oOrderDetail.MoveNext
>     Wend
>
>     Dim oInventory As New Inventory
>     oInventory.Load_byOrderDetail (oOrderDetail.mrstGet())
>
>So, while this will work for recordsets - it doesn't for user defined
>classes - I still get the same error.
>
>So, should I be making the switch to VB.net?
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Marcus Tewksbury" <tewksbum at hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
> >Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 23:11:45 -0500
> >
> >In this case it seems to be something specifically with recordsets - with
> >InvoiceDetail I am only passing in an integer - and I;ve tried New'ing 
>the
> >recordset in the initialize - I'll give a look into referencing, but I
> >haven't had a problem with any other ADO issue until now!
> >
> >Ugh - this is frustrating!
> >
> >
> >>From: "Haslett, Andrew" <andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au>
> >>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >>To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
> >>Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 13:32:56 +0930
> >>
> >>lol - we've only finally got overloading and inheritance into VB.Net!
> >>Very
> >>doubtful we can do that in VBA.
> >>
> >>I was about to ask if you've tried passing byRef so that ones out the
> >>door.
> >>
> >>Another wild stab -> but I suppose this is still worth asking.  Haven't
> >>forgot the references to ADO??
> >>
> >>Perhaps try declaring mrst with a NEW instance:
> >>
> >>Private mrst As *NEW* ADODB.Recordset
> >>
> >>...but why would it work for InvoiceDetail and not OrderDetail??
> >>
> >>Cheers,
> >>A
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Marcus Tewksbury [mailto:tewksbum at hotmail.com]
> >>Sent: Monday, 12 May 2003 1:28 PM
> >>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
> >>
> >>
> >>Yeap
> >>
> >>mrst has been declared...
> >>
> >>Option Compare Database
> >>Option Explicit
> >>
> >>Private mlngInvoiceDetailID As Long
> >>Private mlngInvoiceID As Long
> >>Private mlngOrderDetailID As Long
> >>Private mlngProductID As Long
> >>Private mintShipped As Integer
> >>Private mintCanceled As Integer
> >>Private mintBackOrdered As Integer
> >>Private mcurExtendedPrice As Currency
> >>Private mflgSubstituteFlag As Boolean
> >>Private mdteDateAdded As Date
> >>Private mdteLastUpdated As Date
> >>Private mflgActiveFlag As Boolean
> >>
> >>Private mrst As ADODB.Recordset  <- Here
> >>Private mflgAddFlag As Boolean
> >>Private mflgDirtyFlag As Boolean
> >>
> >>The problem seems to be directly related to passing a recordset into the
> >>class - through a sub or function.  I've tried making
> >>
> >>Public Function Load_byInvoiceDetail
> >>
> >>a sub and function - and have tried passing byVal and ByRef.  For 
>testing
> >>I
> >>changed the paramter to (xrst as ADODB.recordset) and then passed in a
> >>newly
> >>
> >>created, plain recordset and it still bombs.
> >>
> >>Of course, another question that stems from this - if you look at what 
>my
> >>code is trying to accomplish - can you overload the initialize method?
> >>That
> >>
> >>would be helpful!
> >>
> >>Thanks a million,
> >>
> >>- Tewks
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >From: "Michael R Mattys" <michael.mattys at adelphia.net>
> >> >Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >> >To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
> >> >Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 23:09:37 -0400
> >> >
> >> >Marcus,
> >> >
> >> >Has mrst been set = to an ADO recordset
> >> >in the Declarations section?
> >> >
> >> >Mike Mattys
> >> >
> >> >----- Original Message -----
> >> >From: "Marcus Tewksbury" <tewksbum at hotmail.com>
> >> >To: <accessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> >> >Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 10:48 PM
> >> >Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > Hi everyone,
> >> > >
> >> > > Ok - here is my issue - I thought I'd be really fancy and start
> >> > > encapsulating my tables in data classes - using properites and all
> >>that
> >> >good
> >> > > stuff.  One issue that I am having is trying to pass in recordsets
> >>(or
> >> >other
> >> > > classes that also contain recordsets) into a class always gives me 
>a
> >> >Type
> >> > > Mismatch or 438 error.
> >> > >
> >> > > The class files and code behind all reside in the same project.
> >> > >
> >> > > Any thoughts?  I'm stumped!
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Here are 2 snippets
> >> > >
> >> > >     Dim oInvoiceDetail As New InvoiceDetail
> >> > >     oInvoiceDetail.Load_byInvoiceID (Me.InvoiceID)
> >> > >
> >> > >     Dim oOrderDetail As New OrderDetail
> >> > >     oOrderDetail.Load_byInvoiceDetail (oInvoiceDetail) <-CRASHES 
>HERE
> >> > >
> >> > >     While Not oOrderDetail.EOF
> >> > >         oOrderDetail.FilledFlag = False
> >> > >         oOrderDetail.MoveNext
> >> > >     Wend
> >> > >
> >> > > and ...
> >> > >
> >> > > Public Function Load_byInvoiceDetail(ByVal xInvoiceDetail As
> >> >InvoiceDetail)
> >> > >
> >> > >     Dim sstrSQL As String
> >> > >     Dim sflgNotFirst As Boolean
> >> > >
> >> > >     sstrSQL = "SELECT * FROM OrderDetail"
> >> > >
> >> > >     While Not xInvoiceDetail.EOF
> >> > >         If Not sflgNotFirst Then
> >> > >             sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " WHERE OrderDetailID = " &
> >> > > xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
> >> > >             sflgNotFirst = True
> >> > >         Else
> >> > >             sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " OR (OrderDetailID = " &
> >> > > xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
> >> > >         End If
> >> > >         xInvoiceDetail.MoveNext
> >> > >     Wend
> >> > >
> >> > >     With mrst
> >> > >         .CursorLocation = adUseClient
> >> > >         .CursorType = adOpenDynamic
> >> > >         .LockType = adLockBatchOptimistic
> >> > >         .Source = sstrSQL
> >> > >         .Open
> >> > >     End With
> >> > >
> >> > >     Call Scatter
> >> > >
> >> > > End Function
> >> > >
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon May 12 10:26:02 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 08:26:02 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F3C@infoserver01.infostat.local>

John,  I've passed ADO recordsets into functions as well.  It certainly
works if the argument is declared as an ADODB.Recordset.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 4:23 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween


Overloading definitely is not supported in Access VBA.

I have passed DAO databases and recordsets into functions so I know that
works.  I can't imagine that the same wouldn't work for ADO.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Marcus
Tewksbury
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 11:58 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween


Yeap

mrst has been declared...

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Private mlngInvoiceDetailID As Long
Private mlngInvoiceID As Long
Private mlngOrderDetailID As Long
Private mlngProductID As Long
Private mintShipped As Integer
Private mintCanceled As Integer
Private mintBackOrdered As Integer
Private mcurExtendedPrice As Currency
Private mflgSubstituteFlag As Boolean
Private mdteDateAdded As Date
Private mdteLastUpdated As Date
Private mflgActiveFlag As Boolean

Private mrst As ADODB.Recordset  <- Here
Private mflgAddFlag As Boolean
Private mflgDirtyFlag As Boolean

The problem seems to be directly related to passing a recordset into the
class - through a sub or function.  I've tried making

Public Function Load_byInvoiceDetail

a sub and function - and have tried passing byVal and ByRef.  For
testing I changed the paramter to (xrst as ADODB.recordset) and then
passed in a newly created, plain recordset and it still bombs.

Of course, another question that stems from this - if you look at what
my code is trying to accomplish - can you overload the initialize
method?  That would be helpful!

Thanks a million,

- Tewks





>From: "Michael R Mattys" <michael.mattys at adelphia.net>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
>Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 23:09:37 -0400
>
>Marcus,
>
>Has mrst been set = to an ADO recordset
>in the Declarations section?
>
>Mike Mattys
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Marcus Tewksbury" <tewksbum at hotmail.com>
>To: <accessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 10:48 PM
>Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
>
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Ok - here is my issue - I thought I'd be really fancy and start 
> > encapsulating my tables in data classes - using properites and all 
> > that
>good
> > stuff.  One issue that I am having is trying to pass in recordsets 
> > (or
>other
> > classes that also contain recordsets) into a class always gives me a
>Type
> > Mismatch or 438 error.
> >
> > The class files and code behind all reside in the same project.
> >
> > Any thoughts?  I'm stumped!
> >
> >
> > Here are 2 snippets
> >
> >     Dim oInvoiceDetail As New InvoiceDetail
> >     oInvoiceDetail.Load_byInvoiceID (Me.InvoiceID)
> >
> >     Dim oOrderDetail As New OrderDetail
> >     oOrderDetail.Load_byInvoiceDetail (oInvoiceDetail) <-CRASHES 
> > HERE
> >
> >     While Not oOrderDetail.EOF
> >         oOrderDetail.FilledFlag = False
> >         oOrderDetail.MoveNext
> >     Wend
> >
> > and ...
> >
> > Public Function Load_byInvoiceDetail(ByVal xInvoiceDetail As
>InvoiceDetail)
> >
> >     Dim sstrSQL As String
> >     Dim sflgNotFirst As Boolean
> >
> >     sstrSQL = "SELECT * FROM OrderDetail"
> >
> >     While Not xInvoiceDetail.EOF
> >         If Not sflgNotFirst Then
> >             sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " WHERE OrderDetailID = " & 
> > xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
> >             sflgNotFirst = True
> >         Else
> >             sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " OR (OrderDetailID = " & 
> > xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
> >         End If
> >         xInvoiceDetail.MoveNext
> >     Wend
> >
> >     With mrst
> >         .CursorLocation = adUseClient
> >         .CursorType = adOpenDynamic
> >         .LockType = adLockBatchOptimistic
> >         .Source = sstrSQL
> >         .Open
> >     End With
> >
> >     Call Scatter
> >
> > End Function
> >
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon May 12 10:27:04 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 08:27:04 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Compacting problem
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F3D@infoserver01.infostat.local>

It sounds like some corruption in a table.
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Smethurst, Ryan [mailto:ryan.smethurst at bromley.gov.uk] 
	Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 2:54 AM
	To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
	Subject: [AccessD] Compacting problem
	
	

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	Hi All,
	 
	I have an A2K database that has been working fine but recently
seems to have a problem when compacting (on exit).  I'm getting an error
message 'Could not find field 'description' and the compact is then
stopping.
	 
	Does anyone know why?
	 
	Or how I can find out where that field is meant to be? 
	 
	TIA
	 
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From askolits at ot.com  Mon May 12 11:03:50 2003
From: askolits at ot.com (John Skolits)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:03:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Replication Manager or Briefcase
In-Reply-To:  <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F3D@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFAELFCKAA.askolits@ot.com>

MessageI'm trying to decide which is the best method to handle replication.

This will involve around 7 users.

I have 2 office locations: 1 in Philadelphia and 1 in Cleveland. The are
connected with an Asynchronous line. Therefore the data connection will be
slow. They will eventually switch to a regular T1 line, but not for a few
months.

I have looked at the Replication Manager which looks like a good fit but I
would have to install it on all the PC's and (I believe) have the
synchronizer running on the server where everyone would replicate to. I
would then do indirect synchronization.

Someone said they used the Briefcase to do the synchronizations. With that
method, I would not have to install Replication Manager on all the PC's.

This is not mission critical information so the briefcase looks like a
better solution with much less programming overhead.

Anyone have any insights on this?

John
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon May 12 12:37:59 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 13:37:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween -
	SOMEPROGRESS
In-Reply-To: <Law9-F850Ne0PaLI9mK00014e39@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEELJDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Marcus,

Create two classes - ClsA and ClsB - cutting and pasting in the code below.
Then create a module, cutting and pasting the code for the module below.

Explanation:

Module one Init():

Sets a NEW Cls A
Sets a NEW cls B - Note this is a local DIM inside the function.  I did this
to point out and demonstrate that the initialized pointer mclsB is stored
correctly inside of ClsA.  Even though it loses scope when Module1 Init()
finishes running, ClsB still stays in existence because a pointer to it
exists in ClsA.  ClsA stays in existence since it is a module level variable
in Module1.

Calls ClsA's Init() passing in ClsB

Module One Test():

Calls a method in ClsA which displays the name of ClsA
Calls a method of ClsA which calls a method of ClsB which displays ClsB's
name

'***************

'Module1
Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
Dim mclsA  As clsA
Function Init()
Dim mclsB As clsB
    Set mclsA = New clsA
    Set mclsB = New clsB
    mclsA.Init mclsB
End Function

Function Test()
    MsgBox mclsA.Name
    MsgBox mclsA.ChildClassName
End Function

'***************

ClsA has two methods, one is an Init() which can be called by anyone with
access to the pointer to CslA.  The Init() is passed a pointer to ClsB.
ClsB MUST BE INITIALIZED already.  While this isn't strictly true, for our
purposes it is.

The Init() of ClsA simply takes the pointer to ClsB and stores it into a
class level variable
Name() returns ClsA's name
ChildClassName calls mclsChild.name to get the name of whatever class is
pointed to by mclsChild

'***************
'ClsA
Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
Const mcstrName As String = "ClsA"

Dim mclsChild As clsB

Function Init(lclsChild As clsB)
    Set mclsChild = lclsChild
End Function
Private Sub Class_Initialize()
    MsgBox "Initializing " & mcstrName
End Sub
Public Function Name() As String
    Name = mcstrName
End Function
Public Function ChildClassName() As String
    ChildClassName = mclsChild.Name
End Function

'***************
ClsB does nothing but return it's own name
'***************
'ClsB
Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Const cstrName As String = "ClsB"
Private Sub Class_Initialize()
    MsgBox "Initializing " & cstrName
End Sub
Public Function Name() As String
    Name = cstrName
End Function

'***************


John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Marcus
Tewksbury
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 10:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween -
SOMEPROGRESS


Jim,

How do I declare my class?  From memory past I remember in OO needing a
declaration of all the classes methods and properties at the top of the
class.  Is this the case with VBA?

Right now - in the form code - I have something like...

Dim oCampaignInvoice As New CampaignInvoice
Call oCampaignInvoice.Load_byInvoiceOrder(oInvoice, Me.cboOrderID)

As you suggested in a later email - I was able to create a (Search)rst
property for my class - which I could set, and then access from within the
Load functions (without passing in any parameters).

Also, in a later email I suggested that passing in a recordset as a variant
and then trying to recast to a recordset doesn't work.  The variant is
actually a multidimensional array.  It bombed when I loaded data.

I'll try playing around with passing in clones.

And to John Colby - could you please explain more about the parameters were
using.  Specifically what I am trying to accomplish is passing a dataclass
(inclusive of recordset) to another data class.

Open to comment from anyone!  My reason for passing one dataclass to another
- is to build the SQL for say retrieving all InvoiceDetails for a given
Invoice.

Any more thoughts out there?

- Tewks


>From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween -
>SOME	PROGRESS
>Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 02:38:54 -0700
>
>Hi Marcus:
>
>I have been using code like:
>
>Dim rsExpiredCards As New ADODB.Recordset
>
>Set rsExpiredCards = ExpiredCards().Clone
>With rsExpiredCards
>	....
>
>Public Function ExpiredCards() As ADODB.Recordset
>
>	Set ExpiredCards = New ADODB.Recordset
>	..... fill recordset
>
>End function
>
>HTH
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Marcus
>Tewksbury
>Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 9:22 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween -
>SOME PROGRESS
>
>
>Well - figured out how to get a recordset in, but now, how to get user
>defined classes?
>
>Public Sub Load_byInvoiceDetail(ByRef msrst As Variant)
>
>     Dim sstrSQL As String
>     Dim sflgNotFirst As Boolean
>
>     Dim xInvoiceDetail As ADODB.Recordset
>     Set xInvoiceDetail = msrst
>
>Ok - so now I can pass in a recordset as a variant and then cast (sort of)
>a
>local variable to it.
>
>The calling routine looks like...
>
>     Dim oOrderDetail As New OrderDetail
>     oOrderDetail.Load_byInvoiceDetail (oInvoiceDetail.mrstGet()) <-
>mrstGet
>returns the underlying recordset for the class
>
>     While Not oOrderDetail.EOF
>         oOrderDetail.FilledFlag = False
>         oOrderDetail.MoveNext
>     Wend
>
>     Dim oInventory As New Inventory
>     oInventory.Load_byOrderDetail (oOrderDetail.mrstGet())
>
>So, while this will work for recordsets - it doesn't for user defined
>classes - I still get the same error.
>
>So, should I be making the switch to VB.net?
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Marcus Tewksbury" <tewksbum at hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
> >Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 23:11:45 -0500
> >
> >In this case it seems to be something specifically with recordsets - with
> >InvoiceDetail I am only passing in an integer - and I;ve tried New'ing
>the
> >recordset in the initialize - I'll give a look into referencing, but I
> >haven't had a problem with any other ADO issue until now!
> >
> >Ugh - this is frustrating!
> >
> >
> >>From: "Haslett, Andrew" <andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au>
> >>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >>To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
> >>Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 13:32:56 +0930
> >>
> >>lol - we've only finally got overloading and inheritance into VB.Net!
> >>Very
> >>doubtful we can do that in VBA.
> >>
> >>I was about to ask if you've tried passing byRef so that ones out the
> >>door.
> >>
> >>Another wild stab -> but I suppose this is still worth asking.  Haven't
> >>forgot the references to ADO??
> >>
> >>Perhaps try declaring mrst with a NEW instance:
> >>
> >>Private mrst As *NEW* ADODB.Recordset
> >>
> >>...but why would it work for InvoiceDetail and not OrderDetail??
> >>
> >>Cheers,
> >>A
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Marcus Tewksbury [mailto:tewksbum at hotmail.com]
> >>Sent: Monday, 12 May 2003 1:28 PM
> >>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
> >>
> >>
> >>Yeap
> >>
> >>mrst has been declared...
> >>
> >>Option Compare Database
> >>Option Explicit
> >>
> >>Private mlngInvoiceDetailID As Long
> >>Private mlngInvoiceID As Long
> >>Private mlngOrderDetailID As Long
> >>Private mlngProductID As Long
> >>Private mintShipped As Integer
> >>Private mintCanceled As Integer
> >>Private mintBackOrdered As Integer
> >>Private mcurExtendedPrice As Currency
> >>Private mflgSubstituteFlag As Boolean
> >>Private mdteDateAdded As Date
> >>Private mdteLastUpdated As Date
> >>Private mflgActiveFlag As Boolean
> >>
> >>Private mrst As ADODB.Recordset  <- Here
> >>Private mflgAddFlag As Boolean
> >>Private mflgDirtyFlag As Boolean
> >>
> >>The problem seems to be directly related to passing a recordset into the
> >>class - through a sub or function.  I've tried making
> >>
> >>Public Function Load_byInvoiceDetail
> >>
> >>a sub and function - and have tried passing byVal and ByRef.  For
>testing
> >>I
> >>changed the paramter to (xrst as ADODB.recordset) and then passed in a
> >>newly
> >>
> >>created, plain recordset and it still bombs.
> >>
> >>Of course, another question that stems from this - if you look at what
>my
> >>code is trying to accomplish - can you overload the initialize method?
> >>That
> >>
> >>would be helpful!
> >>
> >>Thanks a million,
> >>
> >>- Tewks
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >From: "Michael R Mattys" <michael.mattys at adelphia.net>
> >> >Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >> >To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
> >> >Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 23:09:37 -0400
> >> >
> >> >Marcus,
> >> >
> >> >Has mrst been set = to an ADO recordset
> >> >in the Declarations section?
> >> >
> >> >Mike Mattys
> >> >
> >> >----- Original Message -----
> >> >From: "Marcus Tewksbury" <tewksbum at hotmail.com>
> >> >To: <accessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> >> >Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 10:48 PM
> >> >Subject: [AccessD] Classes, Recordsets, and problems inbetween
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > Hi everyone,
> >> > >
> >> > > Ok - here is my issue - I thought I'd be really fancy and start
> >> > > encapsulating my tables in data classes - using properites and all
> >>that
> >> >good
> >> > > stuff.  One issue that I am having is trying to pass in recordsets
> >>(or
> >> >other
> >> > > classes that also contain recordsets) into a class always gives me
>a
> >> >Type
> >> > > Mismatch or 438 error.
> >> > >
> >> > > The class files and code behind all reside in the same project.
> >> > >
> >> > > Any thoughts?  I'm stumped!
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Here are 2 snippets
> >> > >
> >> > >     Dim oInvoiceDetail As New InvoiceDetail
> >> > >     oInvoiceDetail.Load_byInvoiceID (Me.InvoiceID)
> >> > >
> >> > >     Dim oOrderDetail As New OrderDetail
> >> > >     oOrderDetail.Load_byInvoiceDetail (oInvoiceDetail) <-CRASHES
>HERE
> >> > >
> >> > >     While Not oOrderDetail.EOF
> >> > >         oOrderDetail.FilledFlag = False
> >> > >         oOrderDetail.MoveNext
> >> > >     Wend
> >> > >
> >> > > and ...
> >> > >
> >> > > Public Function Load_byInvoiceDetail(ByVal xInvoiceDetail As
> >> >InvoiceDetail)
> >> > >
> >> > >     Dim sstrSQL As String
> >> > >     Dim sflgNotFirst As Boolean
> >> > >
> >> > >     sstrSQL = "SELECT * FROM OrderDetail"
> >> > >
> >> > >     While Not xInvoiceDetail.EOF
> >> > >         If Not sflgNotFirst Then
> >> > >             sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " WHERE OrderDetailID = " &
> >> > > xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
> >> > >             sflgNotFirst = True
> >> > >         Else
> >> > >             sstrSQL = sstrSQL + " OR (OrderDetailID = " &
> >> > > xInvoiceDetail!OrderDetailID & ")"
> >> > >         End If
> >> > >         xInvoiceDetail.MoveNext
> >> > >     Wend
> >> > >
> >> > >     With mrst
> >> > >         .CursorLocation = adUseClient
> >> > >         .CursorType = adOpenDynamic
> >> > >         .LockType = adLockBatchOptimistic
> >> > >         .Source = sstrSQL
> >> > >         .Open
> >> > >     End With
> >> > >
> >> > >     Call Scatter
> >> > >
> >> > > End Function
> >> > >
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Mon May 12 14:19:14 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:19:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Today's Stupid Question
Message-ID: <20030512191914.74588.qmail@web13403.mail.yahoo.com>

And now for today's stupid question....

I am using Microsoft's DateTimePicker ActiveX control,
because I am mot skilled enough to code my own
caledaring and time system, and am running into some
problems.

I have one DTP (date time picker) in Calendar mode for
start date, and one in clock mode for start time.  I
also have one for end date and time as well.  Due to a
limitation of the ActiveX components, I cannot
directly access the info from my query, so I have to
fill out "invisible" text boxes with the info.

Now comes the problem....

The field I am comparing to is a datetime field in the
following format: mm-dd hh:mm:ss.  I am having no luck
converting the two seperate date and time fields into
a single field in order to compare it to this datetime
field.  Does anyone have any ideas on how I can do
this?  Any assistance you can give would be greatly appreciated.

From sgsax at ksu.edu  Mon May 12 14:24:50 2003
From: sgsax at ksu.edu (Seth Galitzer)
Date: 12 May 2003 14:24:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Today's Stupid Question
In-Reply-To: <20030512191914.74588.qmail@web13403.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20030512191914.74588.qmail@web13403.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1052767491.13065.28.camel@sgsax-th4022c>

Frank,

Convert the individual date and time values to strings, then
concactenate them together, and convert the resulting string back into a
date using the CDate() function.

That's where I'd start, anyway.

Seth

On Mon, 2003-05-12 at 14:19, Frank Tanner III wrote:
> And now for today's stupid question....
> 
> I am using Microsoft's DateTimePicker ActiveX control,
> because I am mot skilled enough to code my own
> caledaring and time system, and am running into some
> problems.
> 
> I have one DTP (date time picker) in Calendar mode for
> start date, and one in clock mode for start time.  I
> also have one for end date and time as well.  Due to a
> limitation of the ActiveX components, I cannot
> directly access the info from my query, so I have to
> fill out "invisible" text boxes with the info.
> 
> Now comes the problem....
> 
> The field I am comparing to is a datetime field in the
> following format: mm-dd hh:mm:ss.  I am having no luck
> converting the two seperate date and time fields into
> a single field in order to compare it to this datetime
> field.  Does anyone have any ideas on how I can do
> this?  Any assistance you can give would be greatly appreciated.

-- 
Seth Galitzer			sgsax at ksu.edu
Computing Specialist		http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax
Dept. of Plant Pathology
Kansas State University


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon May 12 14:32:02 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:32:02 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Today's Stupid Question
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F41@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Assuming the time value does NOT include a date, just add the date value
and the time value. 

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 11:19 AM
To: Database Advisors
Subject: [AccessD] Today's Stupid Question


And now for today's stupid question....

I am using Microsoft's DateTimePicker ActiveX control,
because I am mot skilled enough to code my own
caledaring and time system, and am running into some
problems.

I have one DTP (date time picker) in Calendar mode for
start date, and one in clock mode for start time.  I
also have one for end date and time as well.  Due to a limitation of the
ActiveX components, I cannot directly access the info from my query, so
I have to fill out "invisible" text boxes with the info.

Now comes the problem....

The field I am comparing to is a datetime field in the following format:
mm-dd hh:mm:ss.  I am having no luck converting the two seperate date
and time fields into a single field in order to compare it to this
datetime field.  Does anyone have any ideas on how I can do this?  Any
assistance you can give would be greatly appreciated.
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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Mon May 12 14:27:01 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 14:27:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Today's Stupid Question
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357E8@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Frank,

As I always told my students, the only stupid question is the unasked
one.

Now, show us how you are trying to do it and somebody on the list will
be able to point you to a better, working solution.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com] 
Sent: Monday 2003 May 12 14:19
To: Database Advisors
Subject: [AccessD] Today's Stupid Question

And now for today's stupid question....

I am using Microsoft's DateTimePicker ActiveX control,
because I am mot skilled enough to code my own
caledaring and time system, and am running into some
problems.

I have one DTP (date time picker) in Calendar mode for
start date, and one in clock mode for start time.  I
also have one for end date and time as well.  Due to a limitation of the
ActiveX components, I cannot directly access the info from my query, so
I have to fill out "invisible" text boxes with the info.

Now comes the problem....

The field I am comparing to is a datetime field in the following format:
mm-dd hh:mm:ss.  I am having no luck converting the two seperate date
and time fields into a single field in order to compare it to this
datetime field.  Does anyone have any ideas on how I can do this?  Any
assistance you can give would be greatly appreciated. 

From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Mon May 12 14:27:01 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 14:27:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Today's Stupid Question
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357E8@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Frank,

As I always told my students, the only stupid question is the unasked
one.

Now, show us how you are trying to do it and somebody on the list will
be able to point you to a better, working solution.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com] 
Sent: Monday 2003 May 12 14:19
To: Database Advisors
Subject: [AccessD] Today's Stupid Question

And now for today's stupid question....

I am using Microsoft's DateTimePicker ActiveX control,
because I am mot skilled enough to code my own
caledaring and time system, and am running into some
problems.

I have one DTP (date time picker) in Calendar mode for
start date, and one in clock mode for start time.  I
also have one for end date and time as well.  Due to a limitation of the
ActiveX components, I cannot directly access the info from my query, so
I have to fill out "invisible" text boxes with the info.

Now comes the problem....

The field I am comparing to is a datetime field in the following format:
mm-dd hh:mm:ss.  I am having no luck converting the two seperate date
and time fields into a single field in order to compare it to this
datetime field.  Does anyone have any ideas on how I can do this?  Any
assistance you can give would be greatly appreciated. 

From pblack at hotmail.com  Mon May 12 14:38:21 2003
From: pblack at hotmail.com (Paul Black)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 19:38:21 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Quick Update Solution
Message-ID: <Sea2-F19735NUvutvQq0002393b@hotmail.com>

Is there a quicker/better way to append data than the method I currently 
use:

select all records from table 1

move to first record in table 1

loop through every record in table 2 to see if a match occurs on LINK_PT 
field

If there is a match it is skipped.

If there is no match then table 1 record is appended to table 2

Move to next record in table 1 and continue loop until .eof

I can do it this way but is there another quicker solution. As the tables 
grow the speed slows. I am using A97 for the app.

Thanks

Paul

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon May 12 14:40:24 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:40:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - Anyone using  the Excel-L list?
References: <000301c31871$afa345f0$2239fc3e@netboxxp>
Message-ID: <3EBFF8A8.6020401@shaw.ca>

Did you reply to an e-mail message with a confirmation code that was  
sent to the address you specified  in the web  form? Did you click the 
box temporarily stopping mail. Is your ISP or mailserver  blocking the 
mail from this domain PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM. some ISP's utilize 
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Mark H wrote:

>Cheers Alun
>
>I have tried re-subscribing and still no joy :o(
>
>I'm using exactly the same details as with this list too
>
>Thanks
>
>Mark
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Garraway,
>Alun
>Sent: 12 May 2003 11:25
>To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
>Subject: AW: [AccessD] OT - Anyone using the Excel-L list? 
>
>
>hi,
>
>over the weekend there were about 100 posts.
>
>also saw your post "Anyone out there?"
>which recieved 3 or 4 replies.
>
>alun
>
>-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>Von: MarkH [mailto:markH at bitgen.co.uk]
>Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Mai 2003 11:11
>An: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Betreff: [AccessD] OT - Anyone using the Excel-L list? 
>
>
>Hi All
>
>Sorry for the OT post. I subscribed to the Excel-L list a couple of
>wekes ago (saw it mentioned in someone else post) and have so far seen
>not a single email. I have checkec my subscription options and it looks
>fine. Is it just a very quiet list?
>
>Cheers
>
>Mark
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From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Mon May 12 14:48:36 2003
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 14:48:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Quick Update Solution
Message-ID: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB2338C78D@TAPPEEXCH01>

Paul,
This should do it:

INSERT INTO Table2 ( LINK_PT )
SELECT Table1.LINK_PT
FROM Table1
LEFT JOIN Table2
ON (Table1.LINK_PT = Table2.LINK_PT)
WHERE Table2.LINK_PT Is Null;


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Black [mailto:pblack at hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 2:38 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Quick Update Solution


Is there a quicker/better way to append data than the method I currently 
use:

select all records from table 1

move to first record in table 1

loop through every record in table 2 to see if a match occurs on LINK_PT 
field

If there is a match it is skipped.

If there is no match then table 1 record is appended to table 2

Move to next record in table 1 and continue loop until .eof

I can do it this way but is there another quicker solution. As the tables 
grow the speed slows. I am using A97 for the app.

Thanks

Paul

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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Mon May 12 14:42:26 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 14:42:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Quick Update Solution
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357E9@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Paul,

Have you looked into the Unmatched Query Wizard?

Charles Wortz
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-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Black [mailto:pblack at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday 2003 May 12 14:38
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Quick Update Solution

Is there a quicker/better way to append data than the method I currently

use:

select all records from table 1

move to first record in table 1

loop through every record in table 2 to see if a match occurs on LINK_PT

field

If there is a match it is skipped.

If there is no match then table 1 record is appended to table 2

Move to next record in table 1 and continue loop until .eof

I can do it this way but is there another quicker solution. As the
tables 
grow the speed slows. I am using A97 for the app.

Thanks

Paul

From pblack at hotmail.com  Mon May 12 15:31:55 2003
From: pblack at hotmail.com (Paul Black)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 20:31:55 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Quick Update Solution
Message-ID: <Sea2-F69AusejaagwaB000156c1@hotmail.com>

>INSERT INTO Table2 ( LINK_PT )
>SELECT Table1.LINK_PT
>FROM Table1
>LEFT JOIN Table2
>ON (Table1.LINK_PT = Table2.LINK_PT)
>WHERE Table2.LINK_PT Is Null;

Hi Brett

Works great

Thank you

Paul

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From kaupca at chevrontexaco.com  Mon May 12 16:47:23 2003
From: kaupca at chevrontexaco.com (Kaup, Chester A)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 16:47:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Getting last 3 records
Message-ID: <193572B4E0FC1744BEDFEE63F82CEC9E011E3D10@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>

I have a table that is full of oil well test data. Basically date and
volumes. There are dozens of records with different dates for each well.
I need to get the average of the last (I.e. most recent)  three tests
for each well. Tried the top values but could not see how to do it for
each individual well. Your assistance appreciated.

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Mon May 12 17:51:37 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 17:51:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Getting last 3 records
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82BF6@main2.marlow.com>

You can use a subquery, have the subquery return the last three dates per
well.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Kaup, Chester A [mailto:kaupca at chevrontexaco.com]
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 4:47 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Getting last 3 records



I have a table that is full of oil well test data. Basically date and
volumes. There are dozens of records with different dates for each well.  I
need to get the average of the last (I.e. most recent)  three tests for each
well. Tried the top values but could not see how to do it for each
individual well. Your assistance appreciated.

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon May 12 17:53:59 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 08:53:59 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Getting last 3 records
In-Reply-To: <193572B4E0FC1744BEDFEE63F82CEC9E011E3D10@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>
Message-ID: <3EC0B2A7.12698.25DF95@localhost>

On 12 May 2003 at 16:47, Kaup, Chester A wrote:

> I have a table that is full of oil well test data. Basically date and
> volumes. There are dozens of records with different dates for each
> well. I need to get the average of the last (I.e. most recent)  three
> tests for each well. Tried the top values but could not see how to do
> it for each individual well. Your assistance appreciated.
> 
> No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large
> number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. 
> 
> 
Take a look at:

Access Subquery Techniques by Mike Gunderloy

for a good tutorial on this and other subquery techniques (look for 
"top per group"

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-
us/dnsmart01/html/sa01j1.asp
(watch for wrap)

Assuming you have a Wells table and a Testdata table:

SELECT WellID, vDate,Volume
FROM Wells INNER JOIN TestData
ON Wells.WellID = TestData.WellID
WHERE vDate IN
  (SELECT TOP 3 vDate
   FROM TestData
   WHERE TestData.WellID = Wells.WellID
   ORDER BY vDate DESC)
ORDER BY WellID ASC, vDate DESC


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From michael.maddison at ddisolutions.com.au  Mon May 12 19:28:24 2003
From: michael.maddison at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 10:28:24 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studie.NET - Is it a bug?
Message-ID: <6D8C24685B2A614481AD0BDAB0AC94F9035C27@ddi-pdc.DDISolutions.ddisolutions.com.au>

Yes, it's a major PITA.
Happens on all 3 boxes running .Net here.

cheers

Michael M

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2003 12:11 AM
To: VBA; AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studie.NET - Is it a bug?


Has anyone run into the properties box not expanding out when you put
the cursor over it?  I have a specific project where I know this is
happening. if you unpin the properties box it "deflates" to a little
icon.  Putting the cursor over it is supposed to cause it to expand out
so that the properties can be seen.  Other such icons work correctly -
the project explorer etc., but the properties dialog doesn't.

However it isn't just "never does".  It works fine until I run the
project, after which it fails to expand correctly to allow seeing the
properties.  I have to shut down the project and re-open, then it
functions correctly again.  I have taken to pinning the properties
dialog open since that works around the problem.  The fact that this
happens after running the project leads me to believe that this is a
feature and I am not doing something correctly.

Whichever it is, it is a PITA.

John W. Colby
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From SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au  Mon May 12 20:57:20 2003
From: SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au (Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 11:57:20 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT
References: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKCEHAGDAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <005b01c318f2$fd968c00$54dd31d2@OfficePC>

Thanks for the tip on WinAT Jim. Both yours and Stuart's examples call msaccess.exe directly so that's what I will add and test. Thanks

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jim Dettman 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 10:42 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT


  Kath,

    WINAT is not shareware, but comes with the Windows NT resource kit.  I use it at one clients site and have never had a problem with it.  I simply call a batch file that executes Access and the MDB.  Has worked fine for years.  An example of the batch file I use is below.

  Jim Dettman
  President,
  Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
  (315) 699-3443
  jimdettman at earthlink.net 

  REM Calls extract program for a full regen and process
  REM (Extract, Generate, and Send)
  REM Date is not passed.  Relies on server date to calulate Monday date.
  "C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office\MSACCESS.EXE" "C:\ESCS2\ESCXTR.MDB" /CMD * * * 

    -----Original Message-----
    From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
    Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:08 PM
    To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
    Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT


    Have any of you had much experience with scheduling applications to run (ie. mdb files) using the AT command?

    I am trying to get a job to run overnight for a client using the following syntax:

    at 14:26 /interactive /Every:M,T,W,Th,F cmd /c D:\Prices\Priceload.bat

    where the files Priceload.bat contains the following:

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

    @ECHO OFF
    REM Daily Price File Load
    TITLE GBST PRICE LOAD

    M:
    cd \Price
    echo ENTER PRICE FOLDER
    ntsleep 2 > nul

    Call Price.mdb

----------------------------------------------------------------------------


    I then get the message 'M:\Price\Price.mdb file not found'.

    Because it is real PITN to keep mucking around with this syntax in DOS, I am also having a play with some shareware(?) the client had called WINAT. It seems good, but when I use it at my client site to edit the paremeters of the AT command, extra characters appear at the end of the command, so I am not sure whether the command will work or not. Characters are things like pipes and @symbols. 

    So my question for anyone using AT is: do you have any tips to share? What is the most reliable way you have found to schedule an mdb to run?

    TIA
    Kath


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    Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
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    Fax: 9505-6430
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From SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au  Mon May 12 21:14:08 2003
From: SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au (Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 12:14:08 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82B30@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <02cb01c318f5$56440ba0$54dd31d2@OfficePC>

Drew - thanks for that explanation. So if this code were in vb instead of vba then I could look at building an NT service OCX and add my system as a service.

OK - but for an mdb I may as well us AT?

Kath


----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Drew Wutka 
  To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
  Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 7:23 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT


  Pure VB codes almost exactly the same as VBA.  The syntax is identical, there are just a few minor changes in functions (such as AddressOf is a default ability in VB, and Eval is only available in VBA).

  As far as the NT Service OCX, let me explain....

  A service is something that runs on your machine whether you are logged onto it or not.  (Once Windows has loaded it's device driver's, etc., then it starts the services).  In 9x, services are just a registry entry (HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunService) (That may be RunAsService...don't remember, and it's not on NT machines, which is what I am using now...)  Any program can be placed there in the registry, and it is run by windows as soon as it comes up....regardless of whether a desktop is loaded or not.

  Now, an NT service is similar, however, it's not a normal registry entry.  Services is part of the Administrative control panel.  (Control Panel --> Administrative Tools).  That lists every service running on your machine.  From that panel, you can start and stop services, you can set whether they can interact with the desktop, or what NT account is used to run the service as.  Pretty flexible.  However, to 'build' an NT service, requires callback capability, since the system has to 'holler' at the service to start or stop, etc.  The NT service OCX (ActiveX control) provides that callback capability to VB.

  Drew
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd. [mailto:SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au]
    Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:46 AM
    To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT


    Hi drew - this is an mdb - the basic process it performs is to log on to an external system, read in some data, manipulate that data and export it out to an external txt file.

    I have done it in vba only because I do not know pure vb (and don't own it). There's no requirement to change it as it does the job - just need it automated. They are running Windows NT. You lost me on the NT service OCX. What is that?

    Rgds
    Kath
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Drew Wutka 
      To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com ' 
      Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:25 PM
      Subject: RE: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT


      What are you trying to run.  Is it just a data routine, or is it running
      reports?  If it's just a data routine, I personally recommend using the NT
      service OCX, which allows a VB .exe to run as an NT service.  Much easier to
      deal with, shows up in the list of services, the ocx has an easy method to
      dump information in the event viewer, etc.

      Running reports can be done this way too, but it needs to use Automation.  

      >From what I understand, VB.Net has the NT Service capability built in.

      Drew

      -----Original Message-----
      From: Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
      To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
      Sent: 5/8/03 10:08 PM
      Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT

      Have any of you had much experience with scheduling applications to run
      (ie. mdb files) using the AT command?
       
      I am trying to get a job to run overnight for a client using the
      following syntax:
       
      at 14:26 /interactive /Every:M,T,W,Th,F cmd /c D:\Prices\Priceload.bat
       
      where the files Priceload.bat contains the following:
        _____  

      @ECHO OFF
      REM Daily Price File Load
      TITLE GBST PRICE LOAD
       
      M:
      cd \Price
      echo ENTER PRICE FOLDER
      ntsleep 2 > nul
       
      Call Price.mdb

        _____  

       
      I then get the message 'M:\Price\Price.mdb file not found'.
       
      Because it is real PITN to keep mucking around with this syntax in DOS,
      I am also having a play with some shareware(?) the client had called
      WINAT. It seems good, but when I use it at my client site to edit the
      paremeters of the AT command, extra characters appear at the end of the
      command, so I am not sure whether the command will work or not.
      Characters are things like pipes and @symbols. 
       
      So my question for anyone using AT is: do you have any tips to share?
      What is the most reliable way you have found to schedule an mdb to run?
       
      TIA
      Kath
       
       
      Kath Pelletti
      Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
      Ph: 9505-6714
      Fax: 9505-6430
      SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au <mailto:SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au> 
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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Mon May 12 21:23:58 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 12:23:58 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Need a Smarter Append Query
References: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKCEHAGDAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
	<005b01c318f2$fd968c00$54dd31d2@OfficePC>
Message-ID: <002e01c318f6$b5a49730$3c619a89@DDICK>

Hello all
I have an append query that gets a few columns from one table(Bookings) and puts those
few columns into another table (tblWarnings) Based on today's date. Very basic, see SQL below.

What I really want is for the SQL to only get bookings from the table Bookings and put them into
tblWarnings if they are not already in tblBookings. 

So if tblWarnings already has bookings 1, 2 and 3 from table bookings.
I don't want the SQL to get them again if I run it. But if I add record 4 to table Bookings then 
run the append SQL, I do want it to get record 4 and ignore the other 3. Make sense?

INSERT INTO tblWarnings ( BookingID, BookingDate, BookingTime, Cancelled )
SELECT Bookings.BookingID, Bookings.BookingDate, Bookings.BookingTime, Bookings.Cancelled
FROM Bookings
WHERE (((Bookings.BookingDate)=Date()));

Many thanks in advance

Darren

From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Mon May 12 21:42:34 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 12:42:34 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Need a Smarter Append Query - SOLVED
References: 	<NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKCEHAGDAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net><005b01c318f2$fd968c00$54dd31d2@OfficePC>
	<002e01c318f6$b5a49730$3c619a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <005a01c318f9$4ef0e7c0$3c619a89@DDICK>

Never mind
I got it using the Find Unmatched Query wizard then turning it into an append query
Thanks all

Darren


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From: "Darren DICK" <d.dick at uws.edu.au>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 12:23 PM
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Need a Smarter Append Query


> Hello all
> I have an append query that gets a few columns from one table(Bookings) and puts those
> few columns into another table (tblWarnings) Based on today's date. Very basic, see SQL below.
> 
> What I really want is for the SQL to only get bookings from the table Bookings and put them into
> tblWarnings if they are not already in tblBookings. 
> 
> So if tblWarnings already has bookings 1, 2 and 3 from table bookings.
> I don't want the SQL to get them again if I run it. But if I add record 4 to table Bookings then 
> run the append SQL, I do want it to get record 4 and ignore the other 3. Make sense?
> 
> INSERT INTO tblWarnings ( BookingID, BookingDate, BookingTime, Cancelled )
> SELECT Bookings.BookingID, Bookings.BookingDate, Bookings.BookingTime, Bookings.Cancelled
> FROM Bookings
> WHERE (((Bookings.BookingDate)=Date()));
> 
> Many thanks in advance
> 
> Darren
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon May 12 21:42:55 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 22:42:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Need a Smarter Append Query
In-Reply-To: <002e01c318f6$b5a49730$3c619a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEMMDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Something like:

INSERT INTO tblWarnings ( BookingID, BookingDate, BookingTime, Cancelled )
SELECT Bookings.BookingID, Bookings.BookingDate, Bookings.BookingTime,
Bookings.Cancelled
FROM Bookings

WHERE (((Bookings.BookingDate)=Date())) AND (Bookings.BookingID NOT
IN(Select tblWarnings.BookingID from tblWarnings));


IOW, use a sub query that selects all of the tblWarnings.BookingsIDs.
Place that in a IN() clause.
NOT it.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 10:24 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Need a Smarter Append Query


Hello all
I have an append query that gets a few columns from one table(Bookings) and
puts those
few columns into another table (tblWarnings) Based on today's date. Very
basic, see SQL below.

What I really want is for the SQL to only get bookings from the table
Bookings and put them into
tblWarnings if they are not already in tblBookings.

So if tblWarnings already has bookings 1, 2 and 3 from table bookings.
I don't want the SQL to get them again if I run it. But if I add record 4 to
table Bookings then
run the append SQL, I do want it to get record 4 and ignore the other 3.
Make sense?

INSERT INTO tblWarnings ( BookingID, BookingDate, BookingTime, Cancelled )
SELECT Bookings.BookingID, Bookings.BookingDate, Bookings.BookingTime,
Bookings.Cancelled
FROM Bookings
WHERE (((Bookings.BookingDate)=Date()));

Many thanks in advance

Darren
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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Mon May 12 22:02:26 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 13:02:26 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Need a Smarter Append Query
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEMMDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <006601c318fc$151a3490$3c619a89@DDICK>

Thanks for the swift reply John
I did something like that using the Unmatched query wizard.
Thanks heaps

Darren

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 12:42 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Need a Smarter Append Query


> Something like:
> 
> INSERT INTO tblWarnings ( BookingID, BookingDate, BookingTime, Cancelled )
> SELECT Bookings.BookingID, Bookings.BookingDate, Bookings.BookingTime,
> Bookings.Cancelled
> FROM Bookings
> 
> WHERE (((Bookings.BookingDate)=Date())) AND (Bookings.BookingID NOT
> IN(Select tblWarnings.BookingID from tblWarnings));
> 
> 
> IOW, use a sub query that selects all of the tblWarnings.BookingsIDs.
> Place that in a IN() clause.
> NOT it.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Darren DICK
> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 10:24 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Need a Smarter Append Query
> 
> 
> Hello all
> I have an append query that gets a few columns from one table(Bookings) and
> puts those
> few columns into another table (tblWarnings) Based on today's date. Very
> basic, see SQL below.
> 
> What I really want is for the SQL to only get bookings from the table
> Bookings and put them into
> tblWarnings if they are not already in tblBookings.
> 
> So if tblWarnings already has bookings 1, 2 and 3 from table bookings.
> I don't want the SQL to get them again if I run it. But if I add record 4 to
> table Bookings then
> run the append SQL, I do want it to get record 4 and ignore the other 3.
> Make sense?
> 
> INSERT INTO tblWarnings ( BookingID, BookingDate, BookingTime, Cancelled )
> SELECT Bookings.BookingID, Bookings.BookingDate, Bookings.BookingTime,
> Bookings.Cancelled
> FROM Bookings
> WHERE (((Bookings.BookingDate)=Date()));
> 
> Many thanks in advance
> 
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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Mon May 12 22:05:51 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 12:35:51 +0930
Subject: [AccessD] Replication Manager or Briefcase
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A063@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

Check out Michael Kaplans site:
http://www.trigeminal.com <http://www.trigeminal.com> 
 
He's the guru of Access Replication, and among other things, has made his
own 'replication manager' much more powerful than the one from MS.  The are
a number of excellent articles on replication on his site also.
 
Additionally, you shouldn't need to install a replication manager on each
machine.
 
Cheers,
Andrew
 
 ----Original Message-----
From: John Skolits [mailto:askolits at ot.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2003 1:34 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Replication Manager or Briefcase



I'm trying to decide which is the best method to handle replication.

This will involve around 7 users. 

I have 2 office locations: 1 in Philadelphia and 1 in Cleveland. The are
connected with an Asynchronous line. Therefore the data connection will be
slow. They will eventually switch to a regular T1 line, but not for a few
months.

I have looked at the Replication Manager which looks like a good fit but I
would have to install it on all the PC's and (I believe) have the
synchronizer running on the server where everyone would replicate to. I
would then do indirect synchronization.

Someone said they used the Briefcase to do the synchronizations. With that
method, I would not have to install Replication Manager on all the PC's.

This is not mission critical information so the briefcase looks like a
better solution with much less programming overhead.

Anyone have any insights on this?

John


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue May 13 03:59:01 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 10:59:01 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] .NET - Access as report writer
In-Reply-To: <3E586F70.5080409@shaw.ca>
References: <00b001c2dad4$6d1c2c40$8e01a8c0@Rock> <3E586F70.5080409@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <10910946350.20030513105901@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Noticed this which could be of interest for some:

http://www.pinpub.com/sa/samag.nsf/0/4D4A392C7C92066085256D1300799719

Access: Your New .NET Report Writer
Danny J. Lesandrini

In the May 2002 issue of Smart Access, Danny Lesandrini showed how
easy it is to migrate existing Access reports to the Web using the
ExportXML function of Access 2002. A little tinkering with this
feature of Access has revealed its potential as a .NET report-writing
tool. Follow along as he shows how to create complex reports for .NET
applications using your favorite development tool, Microsoft Access.     

/gustav


From jbusergroups at optushome.com.au  Tue May 13 05:16:27 2003
From: jbusergroups at optushome.com.au (Joshua B)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 20:16:27 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Manual Database Synchronisation
Message-ID: <200305131014.h4DAEvF06264@mail019.syd.optusnet.com.au>

Group:

Hoping someone may have a few ideas on this. I am in the process of setting up specifications for the modification of a clients database. The client has offices in five different locations around the world, and a database that has been shared up until now using Access's in-built replication tool. At the end of each trading day, the database would be sent to the other offices, and they would synchronise. The db has now grown to the size where this is not possible anymore (It weighs in at around 5 megabytes zipped up, and the offices that don't have the luxury of cable are starting to complain). They wish to send only the new and updated records back and forth.

Eventually they will be looking at a web-based solution, but this will not be happening for at least a year, if not more.

My idea is to time-stamp each record when it is updated (or added), and then use this time stamp to determine which records need to be sent to the other offices. I have been assured that the offices will "never" (I know that thats a dirty word) be working on the same record on the same day, so there will be no need to update on a field-by-field basis, I'll simply overwrite the whole record with the updated information.

In the meantime, my main concern with setting this up is how I handle the primary keys for records. Up until now, I have been a firm believer in using an autonumber for a primary key. Of course, this will not be possible in this scenario. When a record is added to the system and sent to all the other offices, the primary keys will have to match, so that my code will be able to match up the updated records when imported at the other end. The best idea I have come up with is to use a random autonumber, and attach a time-stamp to the end of that, and use it as a primary key. For there to be a conflict, it would mean that two offices have generated a duplicate random autonumber at the exact same second. I'm quite happy with the odds of that never happening.

I just thought I would throw this in there, with the hope that maybe someone has done something similar in the past. And of course, there is the likely possibility that I am missing some incredibly easy way of doing this.

Thanks for reading :-)

Best regards.				 
Joshua B
jbusergroups at optushome.com.au
2003-05-13




From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue May 13 05:35:01 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 12:35:01 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Manual Database Synchronisation
In-Reply-To: <200305131014.h4DAEvF06264@mail019.syd.optusnet.com.au>
References: <200305131014.h4DAEvF06264@mail019.syd.optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <15616706122.20030513123501@cactus.dk>

Hi Joshua

A note: You may use a GUID as autonumber.
We had some discussion on GUIDs in December - look up the archive.

/gustav


> In the meantime, my main concern with setting this up is how I
> handle the primary keys for records. Up until now, I have been a
> firm believer in using an autonumber for a primary key. Of course,
> this will not be possible in this scenario. When a record is added
> to the system and sent to all the other offices, the primary keys
> will have to match, so that my code will be able to match up the
> updated records when imported at the other end. The best idea I have
> come up with is to use a random autonumber, and attach a time-stamp
> to the end of that, and use it as a primary key. For there to be a
> conflict, it would mean that two offices have generated a duplicate
> random autonumber at the exact same second. I'm quite happy with the
> odds of that never happening.


From jbusergroups at optushome.com.au  Tue May 13 06:22:25 2003
From: jbusergroups at optushome.com.au (Joshua B)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 21:22:25 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Manual Database Synchronisation
Message-ID: <200305131120.h4DBKto29687@mail012.syd.optusnet.com.au>

Hello Gustav Brock,

Thanks for the heads up. GUID's do indeed seem to fit the bill perfectly.

======= At 2003-05-13, 12:35:00 you wrote: =======

>Hi Joshua
>
>A note: You may use a GUID as autonumber.
>We had some discussion on GUIDs in December - look up the archive.
>
>/gustav
>
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
			

Best regards.				 
Joshua B
jbusergroups at optushome.com.au
2003-05-13




From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue May 13 07:26:00 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 08:26:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VB.Net classes / functions
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEENKDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Does anyone know how to force the class to open with all of it's functions
collapsed?  I go through and collapse the functions, and save the class.
When I re-open, the functions are all expanded again.  There are so many of
them it would be nice to start with all functions (and all classes inside a
single module) collapsed.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Tue May 13 07:40:42 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 08:40:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VB.Net classes / functions
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85BC0@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

John,

Are you looking to collapse each function individually or just sections of functions?  There is a method where you can define your own collapsable "region" within a code module.  I can't remember what the command you type into the IDE is (something like "<region>") but a search of help should tell you.  This probably won't collapse each function though just anything within your region tags.  Or maybe you could write a macro that does the same?

HTH

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


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Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 8:26 AM
To: VbAdmin; AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VB.Net classes / functions


Does anyone know how to force the class to open with all of it's functions
collapsed?  I go through and collapse the functions, and save the class.
When I re-open, the functions are all expanded again.  There are so many of
them it would be nice to start with all functions (and all classes inside a
single module) collapsed.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From Alun.Garraway at otto.de  Tue May 13 07:42:23 2003
From: Alun.Garraway at otto.de (Garraway, Alun)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 14:42:23 +0200
Subject: AW: [AccessD] OT: VB.Net classes / functions
Message-ID: <9F7DD6E5DB1ED611B4B10002A542365C013AE357@ntovmail05.ov.otto.de>

have you tried using zhe macro recorder?

alun

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Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. Mai 2003 14:26
An: VbAdmin; AccessD
Betreff: [AccessD] OT: VB.Net classes / functions


Does anyone know how to force the class to open with all of it's functions
collapsed?  I go through and collapse the functions, and save the class.
When I re-open, the functions are all expanded again.  There are so many of
them it would be nice to start with all functions (and all classes inside a
single module) collapsed.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Tue May 13 07:41:14 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 22:11:14 +0930
Subject: [AccessD] .NET - Access as report writer
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A06E@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

Interesting read. Thanks for that.

Cheers,
Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2003 6:29 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] .NET - Access as report writer


Hi all

Noticed this which could be of interest for some:

http://www.pinpub.com/sa/samag.nsf/0/4D4A392C7C92066085256D1300799719

Access: Your New .NET Report Writer
Danny J. Lesandrini

In the May 2002 issue of Smart Access, Danny Lesandrini showed how
easy it is to migrate existing Access reports to the Web using the
ExportXML function of Access 2002. A little tinkering with this
feature of Access has revealed its potential as a .NET report-writing
tool. Follow along as he shows how to create complex reports for .NET
applications using your favorite development tool, Microsoft Access.     

/gustav

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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Tue May 13 07:42:01 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 22:12:01 +0930
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VB.Net classes / functions
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A06F@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

Been wondering about that for a while now.

Might post to a couple of .Net groups and see if they can help.  Will report
back.

Cheers,
Andrew

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Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2003 9:56 PM
To: VbAdmin; AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VB.Net classes / functions


Does anyone know how to force the class to open with all of it's functions
collapsed?  I go through and collapse the functions, and save the class.
When I re-open, the functions are all expanded again.  There are so many of
them it would be nice to start with all functions (and all classes inside a
single module) collapsed.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From askolits at ot.com  Tue May 13 07:45:27 2003
From: askolits at ot.com (John Skolits)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 08:45:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Replication Manager or Briefcase
In-Reply-To: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A063@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>
Message-ID: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFAEMJCKAA.askolits@ot.com>

MessageAndrew,

Thanks for getting back to me. I looked at Mike's site (haven't been there
for a while- Gee I wish he had a search tool).

I also posted on the MS newsgroup and Mike responded. Here was his comment:

"Do not use the briefcase. It is less painful to hit your hand with a hammer
than to put yourself through that kind of pain.
MichKa [MS]"

I like the way he is so direct. Anyway, I've been doing a lot of reading
from newsgroup postings and I'm confused about one thing.
I'm getting the impression that I do have to install the Rep Mngr app on
each machine.
I'm thinking that I will want to periodically do indirect Sync to my hub
database but in order to do that, I will need the synchronizer on each PC.

Here is a posting that talks about it. Is this person wrong or do I
misunderstand something.
Go to the following link and select the posting with the topic: "What is the
best way to do this"

http://support.microsoft.com/newsgroups/default.aspx?NewsGroup=microsoft.pub
lic.access.replication&SLCID=US&ICP=GSS3&sd=GN&id=fh;en-us;newsgroups


John

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Haslett, Andrew
  Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 11:06 PM
  To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Replication Manager or Briefcase


  Check out Michael Kaplans site:
  http://www.trigeminal.com

  He's the guru of Access Replication, and among other things, has made his
own 'replication manager' much more powerful than the one from MS.  The are
a number of excellent articles on replication on his site also.

  Additionally, you shouldn't need to install a replication manager on each
machine.

  Cheers,
  Andrew

   ----Original Message-----
  From: John Skolits [mailto:askolits at ot.com]
  Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2003 1:34 AM
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: [AccessD] Replication Manager or Briefcase


    I'm trying to decide which is the best method to handle replication.

    This will involve around 7 users.

    I have 2 office locations: 1 in Philadelphia and 1 in Cleveland. The are
connected with an Asynchronous line. Therefore the data connection will be
slow. They will eventually switch to a regular T1 line, but not for a few
months.

    I have looked at the Replication Manager which looks like a good fit but
I would have to install it on all the PC's and (I believe) have the
synchronizer running on the server where everyone would replicate to. I
would then do indirect synchronization.

    Someone said they used the Briefcase to do the synchronizations. With
that method, I would not have to install Replication Manager on all the
PC's.

    This is not mission critical information so the briefcase looks like a
better solution with much less programming overhead.

    Anyone have any insights on this?

    John



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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue May 13 07:48:36 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 08:48:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VB.Net classes / functions
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85BC0@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
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No, what I am trying to do is collapse everything the way I want to see it
when I open it next time, save it, and when I open the project the next time
have everything collapsed the same way it was when I closed it.  ATM, it
disregards the look and feel when I saved it and expands every single little
stupid thing the next time I open that module.

I found the region keyword, but all that really allows is to set a block of
code as collapseable, which is cool, but not helpful for this.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 8:41 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: VB.Net classes / functions


John,

Are you looking to collapse each function individually or just sections of
functions?  There is a method where you can define your own collapsable
"region" within a code module.  I can't remember what the command you type
into the IDE is (something like "<region>") but a search of help should tell
you.  This probably won't collapse each function though just anything within
your region tags.  Or maybe you could write a macro that does the same?

HTH

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 8:26 AM
To: VbAdmin; AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VB.Net classes / functions


Does anyone know how to force the class to open with all of it's functions
collapsed?  I go through and collapse the functions, and save the class.
When I re-open, the functions are all expanded again.  There are so many of
them it would be nice to start with all functions (and all classes inside a
single module) collapsed.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Tue May 13 07:59:44 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 08:59:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VB.Net classes / functions
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85BC2@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

So I guessed you've searched for a "save workspace" type function already?  If that doesn't exist you may be SOL.  Maybe search Codehound to see if someone's written an add-in of some sort (or a new project for yourself!! ;-).

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 8:49 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: VB.Net classes / functions


No, what I am trying to do is collapse everything the way I want to see it
when I open it next time, save it, and when I open the project the next time
have everything collapsed the same way it was when I closed it.  ATM, it
disregards the look and feel when I saved it and expands every single little
stupid thing the next time I open that module.

I found the region keyword, but all that really allows is to set a block of
code as collapseable, which is cool, but not helpful for this.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 8:41 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: VB.Net classes / functions


John,

Are you looking to collapse each function individually or just sections of
functions?  There is a method where you can define your own collapsable
"region" within a code module.  I can't remember what the command you type
into the IDE is (something like "<region>") but a search of help should tell
you.  This probably won't collapse each function though just anything within
your region tags.  Or maybe you could write a macro that does the same?

HTH

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 8:26 AM
To: VbAdmin; AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VB.Net classes / functions


Does anyone know how to force the class to open with all of it's functions
collapsed?  I go through and collapse the functions, and save the class.
When I re-open, the functions are all expanded again.  There are so many of
them it would be nice to start with all functions (and all classes inside a
single module) collapsed.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From artful at rogers.com  Tue May 13 08:06:01 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 09:06:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Replication Manager or Briefcase
In-Reply-To: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFAEMJCKAA.askolits@ot.com>
Message-ID: <019e01c31950$67738d50$8e01a8c0@Rock>

No you do not have to install RM on each machine. I have quite a bit of
experience (and good stories) with RM, so allow me....
 
In my first experiments with replication, I needed to replicate a db among 4
branch offices connected over the net with a vpn. In this phase, each office
had a server that was being hit by each local pc. The server at HQ had the
synchronizer installed, and it replicated among the office servers every 15
minutes. It worked flawlessly. Then I got to thinking that this same
scenario would work locally, and eliminate 90% of the net traffic that a
classic FE/BE would normally incur. So I set up a synchronizer on each
branch server, and a replica on each local pc. The branch server
synchronized the local pcs with the server BE every 5 minutes, and the HQ
server synchronized the branch server replicas.
 
All replicas were set up as managed replicas, save one: the master replica,
which resided on my development box, alongside my own managed replica. When
I modified tables etc. and changed the FE to work against the master
correctly, tested etc., I was then ready to publish the changes. I manually
synched my master replica with my local replica. Five minutes later it
synched with the branch replica, propagating the changes both locally and
company-wide. It worked flawlessly for months, until eventually we migrated
to SQL 2000.
 
As a result of these experiments, I am now convinced that the classic FE/BE
setup is obsolete. The setup outlined above, even for a single office with
say 20 users, is dramatically faster than the classic layout.
 
Arthur
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Skolits
Sent: May 13, 2003 8:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Replication Manager or Briefcase



Andrew,
 
Thanks for getting back to me. I looked at Mike's site (haven't been there
for a while- Gee I wish he had a search tool).
 
I also posted on the MS newsgroup and Mike responded. Here was his comment:
 
"Do not use the briefcase. It is less painful to hit your hand with a hammer
than to put yourself through that kind of pain.
MichKa [MS]"
 
I like the way he is so direct. Anyway, I've been doing a lot of reading
from newsgroup postings and I'm confused about one thing.
I'm getting the impression that I do have to install the Rep Mngr app on
each machine. 
I'm thinking that I will want to periodically do indirect Sync to my hub
database but in order to do that, I will need the synchronizer on each PC.
 
Here is a posting that talks about it. Is this person wrong or do I
misunderstand something.
Go to the following link and select the posting with the topic: "What is the
best way to do this"
 
http://support.microsoft.com/newsgroups/default.aspx?NewsGroup=microsoft.pub
lic.access.replication
<http://support.microsoft.com/newsgroups/default.aspx?NewsGroup=microsoft.pu
blic.access.replication&SLCID=US&ICP=GSS3&sd=GN&id=fh;en-us;newsgroups>
&SLCID=US&ICP=GSS3&sd=GN&id=fh;en-us;newsgroups
 
 
John 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Haslett, Andrew
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 11:06 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Replication Manager or Briefcase


Check out Michael Kaplans site:
http://www.trigeminal.com
 
He's the guru of Access Replication, and among other things, has made his
own 'replication manager' much more powerful than the one from MS.  The are
a number of excellent articles on replication on his site also.
 
Additionally, you shouldn't need to install a replication manager on each
machine.
 
Cheers,
Andrew
 
 ----Original Message-----
From: John Skolits [mailto:askolits at ot.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2003 1:34 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Replication Manager or Briefcase



I'm trying to decide which is the best method to handle replication.

This will involve around 7 users. 

I have 2 office locations: 1 in Philadelphia and 1 in Cleveland. The are
connected with an Asynchronous line. Therefore the data connection will be
slow. They will eventually switch to a regular T1 line, but not for a few
months.

I have looked at the Replication Manager which looks like a good fit but I
would have to install it on all the PC's and (I believe) have the
synchronizer running on the server where everyone would replicate to. I
would then do indirect synchronization.

Someone said they used the Briefcase to do the synchronizations. With that
method, I would not have to install Replication Manager on all the PC's.

This is not mission critical information so the briefcase looks like a
better solution with much less programming overhead.

Anyone have any insights on this?

John


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From askolits at ot.com  Tue May 13 09:14:08 2003
From: askolits at ot.com (John Skolits)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 10:14:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Replication Manager or Briefcase
In-Reply-To: <019e01c31950$67738d50$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFEENBCKAA.askolits@ot.com>

MessageSo if I understand this, you suggest foregoing the FE/BE design,
place everything in one DB and use replication? HMMM interesting.

But, if I have 5 of 7 users on a local network, I would want their data
refreshes to be immediate on the data tables. The remote users won't care if
they refresh only periodically.
I would think that in this scenario, I would prefer to have a FE/BE design
on the local network with the one shared BE being a replica. On the remotes,
I would also want FE/BE design but all their individual BEs be separate
replicas.
But, now I'm mixing a shared BE and remote replica BEs. Is this a bad idea?

In addition, I like the idea of one replica on a local server (sub-hub)
managed by a synchronizer and then synchronized with the main hub replica.
But, I thought each replica on the satellite PCs had to have a drop box. If
that's so, don't you have to install RepMnger on each PC have to have the
drop boxes?

Gee, a lot to learn.

John


  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
  Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 9:06 AM
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Replication Manager or Briefcase


  No you do not have to install RM on each machine. I have quite a bit of
experience (and good stories) with RM, so allow me....

  In my first experiments with replication, I needed to replicate a db among
4 branch offices connected over the net with a vpn. In this phase, each
office had a server that was being hit by each local pc. The server at HQ
had the synchronizer installed, and it replicated among the office servers
every 15 minutes. It worked flawlessly. Then I got to thinking that this
same scenario would work locally, and eliminate 90% of the net traffic that
a classic FE/BE would normally incur. So I set up a synchronizer on each
branch server, and a replica on each local pc. The branch server
synchronized the local pcs with the server BE every 5 minutes, and the HQ
server synchronized the branch server replicas.

  All replicas were set up as managed replicas, save one: the master
replica, which resided on my development box, alongside my own managed
replica. When I modified tables etc. and changed the FE to work against the
master correctly, tested etc., I was then ready to publish the changes. I
manually synched my master replica with my local replica. Five minutes later
it synched with the branch replica, propagating the changes both locally and
company-wide. It worked flawlessly for months, until eventually we migrated
to SQL 2000.

  As a result of these experiments, I am now convinced that the classic
FE/BE setup is obsolete. The setup outlined above, even for a single office
with say 20 users, is dramatically faster than the classic layout.

  Arthur

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Skolits
  Sent: May 13, 2003 8:45 AM
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Replication Manager or Briefcase


    Andrew,

    Thanks for getting back to me. I looked at Mike's site (haven't been
there for a while- Gee I wish he had a search tool).

    I also posted on the MS newsgroup and Mike responded. Here was his
comment:

    "Do not use the briefcase. It is less painful to hit your hand with a
hammer
    than to put yourself through that kind of pain.
    MichKa [MS]"

    I like the way he is so direct. Anyway, I've been doing a lot of reading
from newsgroup postings and I'm confused about one thing.
    I'm getting the impression that I do have to install the Rep Mngr app on
each machine.
    I'm thinking that I will want to periodically do indirect Sync to my hub
database but in order to do that, I will need the synchronizer on each PC.

    Here is a posting that talks about it. Is this person wrong or do I
misunderstand something.
    Go to the following link and select the posting with the topic: "What is
the best way to do this"


http://support.microsoft.com/newsgroups/default.aspx?NewsGroup=microsoft.pub
lic.access.replication&SLCID=US&ICP=GSS3&sd=GN&id=fh;en-us;newsgroups


    John

      -----Original Message-----
      From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Haslett, Andrew
      Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 11:06 PM
      To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
      Subject: RE: [AccessD] Replication Manager or Briefcase


      Check out Michael Kaplans site:
      http://www.trigeminal.com

      He's the guru of Access Replication, and among other things, has made
his own 'replication manager' much more powerful than the one from MS.  The
are a number of excellent articles on replication on his site also.

      Additionally, you shouldn't need to install a replication manager on
each machine.

      Cheers,
      Andrew

       ----Original Message-----
      From: John Skolits [mailto:askolits at ot.com]
      Sent: Tuesday, 13 May 2003 1:34 AM
      To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
      Subject: [AccessD] Replication Manager or Briefcase


        I'm trying to decide which is the best method to handle replication.

        This will involve around 7 users.

        I have 2 office locations: 1 in Philadelphia and 1 in Cleveland. The
are connected with an Asynchronous line. Therefore the data connection will
be slow. They will eventually switch to a regular T1 line, but not for a few
months.

        I have looked at the Replication Manager which looks like a good fit
but I would have to install it on all the PC's and (I believe) have the
synchronizer running on the server where everyone would replicate to. I
would then do indirect synchronization.

        Someone said they used the Briefcase to do the synchronizations.
With that method, I would not have to install Replication Manager on all the
PC's.

        This is not mission critical information so the briefcase looks like
a better solution with much less programming overhead.

        Anyone have any insights on this?

        John



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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Tue May 13 10:00:30 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 16:00:30 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956904@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a position
as a systems developer later in the week.

Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input from
y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience, who will be
expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very taxing), some light
(but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair amount of Office integration
and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2. 

It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at the
moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking than 100%
correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' answers with them
at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for me let me know and I'll
mail you the word doc.

TIA

Roz
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue May 13 10:06:33 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 11:06:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956904@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEENPDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Technical test for developersWill you hire me if I pass?  ;-)
John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
  Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 11:01 AM
  To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
  Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


  I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a
position as a systems developer later in the week.

  Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input from
y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience, who will be
expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very taxing), some light
(but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair amount of Office integration
and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2.

  It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at the
moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking than 100%
correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' answers with them
at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for me let me know and I'll
mail you the word doc.

  TIA

  Roz
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Tue May 13 10:18:41 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 16:18:41 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956906@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

I can't afford you, JC <vbg>

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: 13 May 2003 16:07
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


Will you hire me if I pass?  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 11:01 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers



I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a position
as a systems developer later in the week. 

Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input from
y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience, who will be
expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very taxing), some light
(but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair amount of Office integration
and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2. 

It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at the
moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking than 100%
correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' answers with them
at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for me let me know and I'll
mail you the word doc.

TIA 

Roz 

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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Tue May 13 10:26:08 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 15:26:08 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
Message-ID: <20030513152608.VDPR25735.fep08-svc.ttys.com@localhost>

6 years access 97/2000/XP experience, 2 years Visual Basic, 3 years SQL SERVER 7/2000, and around 6 years MS Office.......I could do with moving out of England......weather is rubbish.......


From: Roz Clarke <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
Date: Tue 13/May/2003 15:18 GMT
To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers

I can't afford you, JC <vbg>

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: 13 May 2003 16:07
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


Will you hire me if I pass?  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 11:01 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers



I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a position
as a systems developer later in the week. 

Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input from
y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience, who will be
expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very taxing), some light
(but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair amount of Office integration
and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2. 

It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at the
moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking than 100%
correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' answers with them
at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for me let me know and I'll
mail you the word doc.

TIA 

Roz 


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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Tue May 13 10:36:47 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 16:36:47 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C831880395690A@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Sorry for you. You sound ideal but I am in Manchester (England) and the
weather is... rubbish. So I'm not your dream ticket! Oh well! 

If it's not too rude a question, what would your salary expectations be?
Ball park figure?

-----Original Message-----
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net [mailto:paul.hartland at fsmail.net] 
Sent: 13 May 2003 16:26
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


6 years access 97/2000/XP experience, 2 years Visual Basic, 3 years SQL
SERVER 7/2000, and around 6 years MS Office.......I could do with moving out
of England......weather is rubbish.......


From: Roz Clarke <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
Date: Tue 13/May/2003 15:18 GMT
To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers

I can't afford you, JC <vbg>

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: 13 May 2003 16:07
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


Will you hire me if I pass?  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 11:01 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers



I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a position
as a systems developer later in the week. 

Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input from
y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience, who will be
expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very taxing), some light
(but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair amount of Office integration
and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2. 

It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at the
moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking than 100%
correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' answers with them
at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for me let me know and I'll
mail you the word doc.

TIA 

Roz 


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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Tue May 13 10:50:25 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 15:50:25 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
Message-ID: <20030513155025.EQEH16200.fep11-svc.ttys.com@localhost>

I'm currently looking for a salary range of between ?25-?28k....A Lot I know, but what I can do I do well.....What I can't, well that's what this list is here for....ha ha

From: Roz Clarke <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
Date: Tue 13/May/2003 15:36 GMT
To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers

Sorry for you. You sound ideal but I am in Manchester (England) and the
weather is... rubbish. So I'm not your dream ticket! Oh well! 

If it's not too rude a question, what would your salary expectations be?
Ball park figure?

-----Original Message-----
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net [mailto:paul.hartland at fsmail.net] 
Sent: 13 May 2003 16:26
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


6 years access 97/2000/XP experience, 2 years Visual Basic, 3 years SQL
SERVER 7/2000, and around 6 years MS Office.......I could do with moving out
of England......weather is rubbish.......


From: Roz Clarke <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
Date: Tue 13/May/2003 15:18 GMT
To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers

I can't afford you, JC <vbg>

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: 13 May 2003 16:07
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


Will you hire me if I pass?  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 11:01 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers



I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a position
as a systems developer later in the week. 

Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input from
y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience, who will be
expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very taxing), some light
(but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair amount of Office integration
and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2. 

It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at the
moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking than 100%
correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' answers with them
at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for me let me know and I'll
mail you the word doc.

TIA 

Roz 


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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Tue May 13 10:50:37 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 10:50:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357F2@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Roz,
 
I am interested in looking at it.  I will try to give you some feedback.
 
 

Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday 2003 May 13 10:01
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers



I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a
position as a systems developer later in the week. 

Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input
from y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience, who
will be expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very
taxing), some light (but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair
amount of Office integration and ideally will know enough VB to show me
a thing or 2. 

It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at the
moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking than
100% correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' answers
with them at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for me let me
know and I'll mail you the word doc.

TIA 

Roz 

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From ranthony at wrsystems.com  Tue May 13 10:59:38 2003
From: ranthony at wrsystems.com (Randall Anthony)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 11:59:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
Message-ID: <5F21A4E8B8DD734992EF9E70AC9D30641285C4@mail2.wrsystems.com>

Yeah, count me in too.  I'm curious to see how I stack up.  Thanks.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 11:51 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers

 

Roz,

 

I am interested in looking at it.  I will try to give you some feedback.

 

 

Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday 2003 May 13 10:01
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers

I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a position
as a systems developer later in the week. 

Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input from
y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience, who will be
expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very taxing), some light
(but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair amount of Office integration
and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2. 

It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at the
moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking than 100%
correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' answers with them
at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for me let me know and I'll
mail you the word doc.

TIA 

Roz 

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From R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk  Tue May 13 10:59:05 2003
From: R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk (Griffiths, Richard)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 16:59:05 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
Message-ID: <52339DF8DCA2A544AF660C8217EB7DCD0227F171@MAILGATE.bury.gov.uk>

Roz
I'll give it a whirl - if I get a min or two
Richard
Manchester

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Roz Clarke [SMTP:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
> Sent:	13 May 2003 16:01
> To:	'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject:	[AccessD] Technical test for developers
> 
> I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a
> position as a systems developer later in the week. 
> 
> Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input from
> y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience, who will
> be expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very taxing), some
> light (but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair amount of Office
> integration and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2. 
> 
> It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at the
> moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking than 100%
> correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' answers with them
> at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for me let me know and
> I'll mail you the word doc.
> 
> TIA 
> 
> Roz 
>  << File: ATT60426.txt >> 


From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Tue May 13 11:24:25 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 17:24:25 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956913@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Then I can't quite afford you either. I *might* be able to eke ?25k from the
PTBs but there'd be no raises to follow. So... for ?23k or thereabouts I
guess I can expect someone competent but not dazzling.

-----Original Message-----
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net [mailto:paul.hartland at fsmail.net] 
Sent: 13 May 2003 16:50
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


I'm currently looking for a salary range of between ?25-?28k....A Lot I
know, but what I can do I do well.....What I can't, well that's what this
list is here for....ha ha

From: Roz Clarke <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
Date: Tue 13/May/2003 15:36 GMT
To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers

Sorry for you. You sound ideal but I am in Manchester (England) and the
weather is... rubbish. So I'm not your dream ticket! Oh well! 

If it's not too rude a question, what would your salary expectations be?
Ball park figure?

-----Original Message-----
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net [mailto:paul.hartland at fsmail.net] 
Sent: 13 May 2003 16:26
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


6 years access 97/2000/XP experience, 2 years Visual Basic, 3 years SQL
SERVER 7/2000, and around 6 years MS Office.......I could do with moving out
of England......weather is rubbish.......


From: Roz Clarke <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
Date: Tue 13/May/2003 15:18 GMT
To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers

I can't afford you, JC <vbg>

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: 13 May 2003 16:07
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


Will you hire me if I pass?  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 11:01 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers



I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a position
as a systems developer later in the week. 

Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input from
y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience, who will be
expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very taxing), some light
(but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair amount of Office integration
and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2. 

It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at the
moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking than 100%
correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' answers with them
at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for me let me know and I'll
mail you the word doc.

TIA 

Roz 


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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Tue May 13 11:28:03 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 17:28:03 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956914@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Did you want the test, BTW? Or are you just tweaking my nose?
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: 13 May 2003 16:19
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


I can't afford you, JC <vbg>

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: 13 May 2003 16:07
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


Will you hire me if I pass?  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 11:01 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers



I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a position
as a systems developer later in the week. 

Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input from
y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience, who will be
expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very taxing), some light
(but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair amount of Office integration
and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2. 

It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at the
moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking than 100%
correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' answers with them
at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for me let me know and I'll
mail you the word doc.

TIA 

Roz 

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue May 13 11:33:14 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 11:33:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C00@main2.marlow.com>

Hey, if it works, it works.  The big advantage in this case, with a VB
service versus AT, is that you are using Access vs. VB.  Access is much
heavier on the resources then VB is, so a VB service that runs a data
crunching routine would be more lite weight then a full blown .mdb.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
[mailto:SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au]
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 9:14 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT


Drew - thanks for that explanation. So if this code were in vb instead of
vba then I could look at building an NT service OCX and add my system as a
service.
 
OK - but for an mdb I may as well us AT?
 
Kath
 
 
----- Original Message ----- 

From: Drew Wutka <mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com>  
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' <mailto:'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'>  
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 7:23 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT

Pure VB codes almost exactly the same as VBA.  The syntax is identical,
there are just a few minor changes in functions (such as AddressOf is a
default ability in VB, and Eval is only available in VBA).
 
As far as the NT Service OCX, let me explain....
 
A service is something that runs on your machine whether you are logged onto
it or not.  (Once Windows has loaded it's device driver's, etc., then it
starts the services).  In 9x, services are just a registry entry
(HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunService) (That may be
RunAsService...don't remember, and it's not on NT machines, which is what I
am using now...)  Any program can be placed there in the registry, and it is
run by windows as soon as it comes up....regardless of whether a desktop is
loaded or not.
 
Now, an NT service is similar, however, it's not a normal registry entry.
Services is part of the Administrative control panel.  (Control Panel -->
Administrative Tools).  That lists every service running on your machine.
>From that panel, you can start and stop services, you can set whether they
can interact with the desktop, or what NT account is used to run the service
as.  Pretty flexible.  However, to 'build' an NT service, requires callback
capability, since the system has to 'holler' at the service to start or
stop, etc.  The NT service OCX (ActiveX control) provides that callback
capability to VB.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
[mailto:SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 3:46 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT


Hi drew - this is an mdb - the basic process it performs is to log on to an
external system, read in some data, manipulate that data and export it out
to an external txt file.
 
I have done it in vba only because I do not know pure vb (and don't own it).
There's no requirement to change it as it does the job - just need it
automated. They are running Windows NT. You lost me on the NT service OCX.
What is that?
 
Rgds
Kath

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Drew  <mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com> Wutka 
To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com  <mailto:'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com '>
' 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:25 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT

What are you trying to run.  Is it just a data routine, or is it running
reports?  If it's just a data routine, I personally recommend using the NT
service OCX, which allows a VB .exe to run as an NT service.  Much easier to
deal with, shows up in the list of services, the ocx has an easy method to
dump information in the event viewer, etc.

Running reports can be done this way too, but it needs to use Automation.  

>From what I understand, VB.Net has the NT Service capability built in.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com <mailto:AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> 
Sent: 5/8/03 10:08 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Scheduling an mdb to run using AT

Have any of you had much experience with scheduling applications to run
(ie. mdb files) using the AT command?
 
I am trying to get a job to run overnight for a client using the
following syntax:
 
at 14:26 /interactive /Every:M,T,W,Th,F cmd /c D:\Prices\Priceload.bat
 
where the files Priceload.bat contains the following:
  _____  

@ECHO OFF
REM Daily Price File Load
TITLE GBST PRICE LOAD
 
M:
cd \Price
echo ENTER PRICE FOLDER
ntsleep 2 > nul
 
Call Price.mdb

  _____  

 
I then get the message 'M:\Price\Price.mdb file not found'.
 
Because it is real PITN to keep mucking around with this syntax in DOS,
I am also having a play with some shareware(?) the client had called
WINAT. It seems good, but when I use it at my client site to edit the
paremeters of the AT command, extra characters appear at the end of the
command, so I am not sure whether the command will work or not.
Characters are things like pipes and @symbols. 
 
So my question for anyone using AT is: do you have any tips to share?
What is the most reliable way you have found to schedule an mdb to run?
 
TIA
Kath
 
 
Kath Pelletti
Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
Ph: 9505-6714
Fax: 9505-6430
SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au <mailto:SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au>  <
mailto:SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au <mailto:SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au> > 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue May 13 11:35:18 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 11:35:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C01@main2.marlow.com>

Send it to me, sounds like fun... I have practically no experience with SQL
Server though......<grin>
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 10:01 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers



I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a position
as a systems developer later in the week. 

Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input from
y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience, who will be
expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very taxing), some light
(but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair amount of Office integration
and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2. 

It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at the
moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking than 100%
correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' answers with them
at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for me let me know and I'll
mail you the word doc.

TIA 

Roz 

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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Tue May 13 11:35:09 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 17:35:09 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956915@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

To everyone who has volunteered to test the test - I'm leaving work now and
I'll respond tomorrow to any feedback you can offer me. Thanks very much for
your help.
 
Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: 13 May 2003 16:01
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers



I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a position
as a systems developer later in the week. 

Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input from
y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience, who will be
expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very taxing), some light
(but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair amount of Office integration
and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2. 

It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at the
moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking than 100%
correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' answers with them
at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for me let me know and I'll
mail you the word doc.

TIA 

Roz 

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From nancy.lytle at auatac.com  Tue May 13 11:46:17 2003
From: nancy.lytle at auatac.com (Nancy Lytle)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 12:46:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956915@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <OPEHJDCMPKDOHDELKBPHOEKPDLAA.nancy.lytle@auatac.com>

MessageDid you send the test?

Nancy L
  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
  Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 12:35 PM
  To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


  To everyone who has volunteered to test the test - I'm leaving work now
and I'll respond tomorrow to any feedback you can offer me. Thanks very much
for your help.

  Roz
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
    Sent: 13 May 2003 16:01
    To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
    Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


    I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a
position as a systems developer later in the week.

    Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input
from y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience, who
will be expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very taxing),
some light (but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair amount of Office
integration and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2.

    It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at the
moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking than 100%
correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' answers with them
at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for me let me know and I'll
mail you the word doc.

    TIA

    Roz
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From artful at rogers.com  Tue May 13 11:52:01 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 12:52:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access + Pegasus
Message-ID: <01ab01c31970$013555d0$8e01a8c0@Rock>

I have some slick email routines that work with Access, but until today they
have assumed Outlook and its object model. Suddenly I have to assume
Pegasus, about which I know nothing. I'll search the list for references in
a moment, but right now I don't know a thing about it. Is it easy? Tough?
What are the advantages of Pegasus as opposed to Outlook? Should I consider
switching my own email client?

TIA,
Arthur


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue May 13 11:58:55 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 12:58:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956914@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEOFDLAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

MessageRoz,

Mostly I was tweaking your nose, which of course I am known for enjoying.

DBA has discussed in the past building a "test" that we could publish for
the use of our members when hiring employees.  I'd love to see what you have
come up with.
John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
  Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 12:28 PM
  To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


  Did you want the test, BTW? Or are you just tweaking my nose?

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
    Sent: 13 May 2003 16:19
    To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
    Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


    I can't afford you, JC <vbg>
      -----Original Message-----
      From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
      Sent: 13 May 2003 16:07
      To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
      Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


      Will you hire me if I pass?  ;-)
      John W. Colby
      www.colbyconsulting.com

        -----Original Message-----
        From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
        Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 11:01 AM
        To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
        Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


        I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a
position as a systems developer later in the week.

        Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input
from y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience, who
will be expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very taxing),
some light (but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair amount of Office
integration and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2.

        It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at
the moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking than
100% correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' answers with
them at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for me let me know and
I'll mail you the word doc.

        TIA

        Roz
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From artful at rogers.com  Tue May 13 12:06:56 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 13:06:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Replication Manager or Briefcase
In-Reply-To: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFEENBCKAA.askolits@ot.com>
Message-ID: <01fc01c31972$0eee24c0$8e01a8c0@Rock>

Ooops sorry that is NOT what I am suggesting. Keep the classic FE/BE design,
but put a replica on each local PC and put the synchronizer on some box that
is guaranteed to be up 99% of the time. The latter can be the database
server or any other box. In my case I chose my development box, since I
never shut it off.
 
So:
the main replica (let's call it the office replica) lives where your current
BE lives.
a replica exists on every PC in the branch.
the master replica lives on your development box.
you also have another replica on your box.
 
All but the master are managed replicas (i.e. the synchronizer does
everything).
 
This leaves you free to monkey with the master, to change table structures
etc., to write new code against the master and test until you're satisfied.
Once you're ready to roll out a new version of the BE, just synchronize with
your local replica, and next interval the synchronizer will propagate the
changes to every other replica. You don't even have to bring the system down
to achieve this.
 
To add new branch offices (assuming a WAN or VPN), place a synchroizer on
each branch's file server and have it synchronize the local replicas. Have
the HQ synchronizer manage the branch replicas. 
 
Drop boxes are necessary only for indirect (FTP or internet) replication,
but unnecessary for direct replication.
 
HTH,
Arthur
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Skolits
Sent: May 13, 2003 10:14 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Replication Manager or Briefcase



So if I understand this, you suggest foregoing the FE/BE design, place
everything in one DB and use replication? HMMM interesting.
 
But, if I have 5 of 7 users on a local network, I would want their data
refreshes to be immediate on the data tables. The remote users won't care if
they refresh only periodically.
I would think that in this scenario, I would prefer to have a FE/BE design
on the local network with the one shared BE being a replica. On the remotes,
I would also want FE/BE design but all their individual BEs be separate
replicas. 
But, now I'm mixing a shared BE and remote replica BEs. Is this a bad idea?
 
In addition, I like the idea of one replica on a local server (sub-hub)
managed by a synchronizer and then synchronized with the main hub replica. 
But, I thought each replica on the satellite PCs had to have a drop box. If
that's so, don't you have to install RepMnger on each PC have to have the
drop boxes?
 
Gee, a lot to learn.
 
John
 
 

 

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From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca  Tue May 13 12:09:46 2003
From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 13:09:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access + Pegasus
Message-ID: <sec0eea3.058@cbc.ca>

Arthur,

AFAIK, Pegasus doesn't support true automation the way LookOut does. However, you can use DDE commands to work with Pegasus.

I have a demo of how to use DDE to send the currently opened Word doc via Pegasus automatically. You can grab it from:
http://www3.sympatico.ca/carbonnb/bryan/utilities.html

Advantages. Where do you start :-))

Free :-))
Not a target of virii
Doens't have scripting so you can't get bitten by script virii (ala Kl*z)
Doesn't automatically get images from websites that are links in e-mails - Keeps you safe from web bugs - You can download them if you want, but you have to explicity tell Pegasus to get them.
Filtering rules that are at least 1000% better that Outlook.
Server Side filtering rules
Content Control filtering rules
Ability to handle LARGE volumes of e-mail. Last look at home I had almost 100K e-mails (Yes that is one hundred THOUSAND) with no performance issues. At one point I had almost 120K until I deleted a bunch of stuff (I only delete spam and very little else) It takes up about 1/2 a gig of drive space.
It does e-mail and e-mail only.
Can display plain text if you want to ignore the HTML "junk"
Multiple Users and the users can have multiple identities.
Supports POP3, SMTP and IMAP protocols

What else am I forgetting Stuart?

How's that for a start?

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

>>> artful at rogers.com 13-May-03 12:52:01 PM >>>
I have some slick email routines that work with Access, but until today they
have assumed Outlook and its object model. Suddenly I have to assume
Pegasus, about which I know nothing. I'll search the list for references in
a moment, but right now I don't know a thing about it. Is it easy? Tough?
What are the advantages of Pegasus as opposed to Outlook? Should I consider
switching my own email client?

TIA,
Arthur

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From jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com  Tue May 13 11:43:01 2003
From: jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com (jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 11:43:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 
Message-ID: <OF1E320594.E86844C2-ON86256D25.005BCE45-86256D25.005BD455@nc.us.bank-dns.com>

"Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
Sent by: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
05/13/2003 11:35 AM
Please respond to accessd

 
        To:     "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
        cc: 
        Subject:        RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


To everyone who has volunteered to test the test - I'm leaving work now 
and I'll respond tomorrow to any feedback you can offer me. Thanks very 
much for your help.
 
Roz
-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: 13 May 2003 16:01
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers

I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a 
position as a systems developer later in the week. 
Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input from 
y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience, who will 
be expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very taxing), some 
light (but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair amount of Office 
integration and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2. 
It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at the 
moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking than 100% 
correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' answers with them 
at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for me let me know and 
I'll mail you the word doc.
TIA 
Roz _______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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From Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com  Tue May 13 13:11:00 2003
From: Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com (Lavsa, Rich)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 14:11:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Personal question about OCX
Message-ID: <833956F5C117124A89417638FDB11290EBCE6D@goexchange.pghcorning.com>

Drew,
 
We bought software that has some automation programs that receive email and
send email among other things.  Each one is a separate "module" or "add in"
for this software package.  They were intended to run on a pc and started by
an individual as they were needed.  Our need exceeded this use, we need this
to run 24 / 7, so we started them on the server, and simply locked the
computer letting the "modules" run.  I did look in to the OCX to see if I
could convert these little exe's into services that would run on the server
without logging into the server, however I believe you need to insert code
into the applications on load events or something if I remember correctly.  
 
Do you know of any other way to let an application that should be a service,
run as a service.  Hang up is that I cannot gain access to the source code
without paying, or having them do it and charge us out the wazzoo??  All I
have is an EXE that I kick off.  
 
Just looking for some insight...
 
thanks,
Rich
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue May 13 13:27:01 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 11:27:01 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Personal question about OCX
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F4D@infoserver01.infostat.local>

If you bought it to run on demand on a single PC, running it as a
service on a server may very well be a violation of your EULA on the
software.
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Lavsa, Rich [mailto:Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com] 
	Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 10:11 AM
	To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
	Subject: [AccessD] Personal question about OCX
	
	
	Drew,
	 
	We bought software that has some automation programs that
receive email and send email among other things.  Each one is a separate
"module" or "add in" for this software package.  They were intended to
run on a pc and started by an individual as they were needed.  Our need
exceeded this use, we need this to run 24 / 7, so we started them on the
server, and simply locked the computer letting the "modules" run.  I did
look in to the OCX to see if I could convert these little exe's into
services that would run on the server without logging into the server,
however I believe you need to insert code into the applications on load
events or something if I remember correctly.  
	 
	Do you know of any other way to let an application that should
be a service, run as a service.  Hang up is that I cannot gain access to
the source code without paying, or having them do it and charge us out
the wazzoo??  All I have is an EXE that I kick off.  
	 
	Just looking for some insight...
	 
	thanks,
	Rich

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue May 13 13:28:04 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 13:28:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Personal question about OCX
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C05@main2.marlow.com>

You could write a VB service that just starts and kills the other .exe.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Lavsa, Rich [mailto:Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 1:11 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Personal question about OCX


Drew,
 
We bought software that has some automation programs that receive email and
send email among other things.  Each one is a separate "module" or "add in"
for this software package.  They were intended to run on a pc and started by
an individual as they were needed.  Our need exceeded this use, we need this
to run 24 / 7, so we started them on the server, and simply locked the
computer letting the "modules" run.  I did look in to the OCX to see if I
could convert these little exe's into services that would run on the server
without logging into the server, however I believe you need to insert code
into the applications on load events or something if I remember correctly.  
 
Do you know of any other way to let an application that should be a service,
run as a service.  Hang up is that I cannot gain access to the source code
without paying, or having them do it and charge us out the wazzoo??  All I
have is an EXE that I kick off.  
 
Just looking for some insight...
 
thanks,
Rich

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From kaupca at chevrontexaco.com  Tue May 13 13:46:14 2003
From: kaupca at chevrontexaco.com (Kaup, Chester A)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 13:46:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Top 3 query returns only one record
Message-ID: <193572B4E0FC1744BEDFEE63F82CEC9E011E3D15@bocnte2k4.boc.chevrontexaco.net>

The following query returns only one record per well_label rather than
the last 3 like I need. I don't see the problem-been looking at it to
long. Thanks

SELECT TEST_DATE, FIELD_CODE, SAP_BORE_COMP_NUMBER, WELL_LABEL, GAS_VOL,
OIL_VOL, WATER_VOL
FROM [TBL T15 WELL TESTS]
WHERE TEST_DATE IN
(SELECT TOP 3 TEST_DATE
FROM [TBL T15 WELL TESTS]
ORDER BY TEST_DATE DESC)
ORDER BY WELL_LABEL ASC, TEST_DATE DESC;

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From sgsax at ksu.edu  Tue May 13 13:47:52 2003
From: sgsax at ksu.edu (Seth Galitzer)
Date: 13 May 2003 13:47:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access + Pegasus
In-Reply-To: <01ab01c31970$013555d0$8e01a8c0@Rock>
References: <01ab01c31970$013555d0$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <1052851673.19177.44.camel@sgsax-th4022c>

Arthur,

Pegasus doesn't have an object model.  It does, however, support a
commandline mode for sending messages.  Basically, you generate a text
file containing the particulars of the message using a set of known line
"tags", and then run Pegasus with a commandline flag and the path to the
text file.  You do not have access to the address book or mail folders
using some kind of API.  However, Pegasus does use standard mbox format
for mail folders.  At the worst, you could parse those maually.  Address
books are a different matter.

If you have an option, you might want to look at Eudora, which does have
an object model that is documented and has a pretty workable API.

Alternatively, if all you need to do is send messages, I have some code
that does this in a self-contained fashion that requires no ActiveX
controls.  It only works with Win2K & XP, however.  I haven't found out
why specifically, but I think it's just more dll hell.

Pegasus is used widely here.  It's not my favorite email client, but's
it's pretty clean and has a relatively small footprint.

Seth

On Tue, 2003-05-13 at 11:52, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> I have some slick email routines that work with Access, but until today they
> have assumed Outlook and its object model. Suddenly I have to assume
> Pegasus, about which I know nothing. I'll search the list for references in
> a moment, but right now I don't know a thing about it. Is it easy? Tough?
> What are the advantages of Pegasus as opposed to Outlook? Should I consider
> switching my own email client?
> 
> TIA,
> Arthur
> 

-- 
Seth Galitzer			sgsax at ksu.edu
Computing Specialist		http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax
Dept. of Plant Pathology
Kansas State University


From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Tue May 13 13:58:15 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 13:58:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Top 3 query returns only one record
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357F6@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Chester,
 
Check the thread "SQL in-line subquery" for Dave Sharpe's response of
last Wednesday.  He had a link to an article that should answer your
question about your subquery.
 

Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 

-----Original Message-----
From: Kaup, Chester A [mailto:kaupca at chevrontexaco.com] 
Sent: Tuesday 2003 May 13 13:46
To: ACCESSD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Top 3 query returns only one record



The following query returns only one record per well_label rather than
the last 3 like I need. I don't see the problem-been looking at it to
long. Thanks

SELECT TEST_DATE, FIELD_CODE, SAP_BORE_COMP_NUMBER, WELL_LABEL, GAS_VOL,
OIL_VOL, WATER_VOL 
FROM [TBL T15 WELL TESTS] 
WHERE TEST_DATE IN 
(SELECT TOP 3 TEST_DATE 
FROM [TBL T15 WELL TESTS] 
ORDER BY TEST_DATE DESC) 
ORDER BY WELL_LABEL ASC, TEST_DATE DESC; 

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From ad_tp at hotmail.com  Tue May 13 13:55:58 2003
From: ad_tp at hotmail.com (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 00:25:58 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
References: 	<00c501c31707$b1efab70$c6e6ffcc@SusanOne><005101c3171c$7de55310$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>
	<011801c3171f$21336ff0$c6e6ffcc@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <Law9-OE18USp3sJWGYd000094d5@hotmail.com>

Susan,

    The topic appears interesting. Keeping in view the typical requirements for handling notes/articles/tasks, with facility for setting dates & intervals for reminders (where needed), I have developed an Access .mdb application for my use (finishing touches in progress).

    Whenever this database is opened, a message box will pop up giving a summary as follows -
    (a) Nos of Items already overdue
    (b) Nos of Items due today
    (c) Nos of Items that will become due within next seven days

    The msgbox will appear only if total of (a) to (c) is more than zero. Deselecting a Yes/No field will mean the item will be ignored while generating scheduling alert. Provision has also been made to view on demand the overall position of all items whose scheduling status is active

    In addition, the program should be useful in storing and  retrieval of articles/notes etc apart from printing reports of selected items.Lookup row sources for various combo boxes are self generated based upon progressive accumulation of data.

    I would be glad to send you the database but it is not clear whether attachments are supposed to be sent to the list address. If you like, I could send it to you directly (on hearing from you).

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
---------------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Susan Harkins 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 23:38
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] scheduling


  Can't work, so I might as well get out of dodge! ;)

  It happens every year and then I forget about it and once I'm behind, it
  affects the entire summer. So, I will definitely be giving some thought to
  your suggestion -- I don't actually "schedule" articles in Access, but I
  think I'll add some kind of validation to assigned topics as I enter the due
  date -- which will promptly reject an article if there are too many
  scheduled already. Or, perhaps I'll simply show a list of dates and the
  number of open slots -- either way, it shouldn't be difficult at all and I
  don't know why I didn't think of it before. I've been using Outlook to keep
  all that straight and it's a pia to use two different applications. But I
  just haven't had time to really add it to the Access db that tracks them all
  for invoicing, but it's all there already. This will be a simple feature to
  add and will be very helpful.

  Susan H.


  > ...the better solution is to install real electrical surge protectors at
  > your electrical panels rather than the toy suppressors we all have for our
  > computers and phones ...most of those sold at computer/office outlets
  can't
  > handle more than a short, mild surge ...for areas like south Florida where
  > we get frequent lightning storms you need much more ...the ones we have in
  > our main panel and phone distribution block cost $300+ but handle over
  26MVA
  > surges ...anything but a direct hit ...before we installed them we had
  > constant hits on our computers despite each having their own suppressors
  > ...after installation, I've been able to work through the worst storms
  ...as
  > long as power stays on, I can without worrying ...HTH :)
  >
  > ...of course if I needed a handy excuse to take off this time of year
  > anyway, yours would work :))))
  >
  > William Hindman
  >
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: "Susan Harkins" <harkins at iglou.com>
  > To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
  > Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 11:20 AM
  > Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
  >
  >
  > > I use Access to keep articles, etc. on schedule, keep up with invoicing,
  > > etc. and it works just fine. The one thing I don't really know how to
  > handle
  > > is the following -- occasionally I want to note something that I may not
  > > need for months -- and I can do that -- just don't really know how to go
  > > about displaying it -- reminding myself to look -- know what I mean?
  > >
  > > For instance, this past two weeks has been bad because of the weather.
  > Even
  > > though I have surge protectors, I still turn off everything when the
  > > lightning starts and that's been hours every day for the past two weeks.
  > I'm
  > > grossly behind as a result. Now, what I need to do is make a note to
  > myself
  > > that sometime in Jan, Feb, March -- maybe even all three -- that I
  remind
  > > myself NOT to schedule fully for April and May because of the weather.
  > >
  > > Just not sure how to approach it. Right now, I'm using Outlook and
  Access
  > > and I'm working toward phasing Outlook out of the picture -- it's just
  too
  > > difficult to work with for what I need.
  > >
  > > Susan H.

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From jscott at mchsi.com  Tue May 13 14:16:45 2003
From: jscott at mchsi.com (Jeanine)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 14:16:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956904@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <DPEMLPOPFDGDKNELEIKAEEAGDCAA.jscott@mchsi.com>

I'd like to see it! Thanks.

Jeanine
jscott at mchsi.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 10:01 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers

I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a position
as a systems developer later in the week.
Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input from
y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience, who will be
expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very taxing), some light
(but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair amount of Office integration
and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2.
It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at the
moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking than 100%
correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' answers with them
at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for me let me know and I'll
mail you the word doc.
TIA
Roz
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From Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com  Tue May 13 14:48:33 2003
From: Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com (Lavsa, Rich)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 15:48:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Personal question about OCX
Message-ID: <833956F5C117124A89417638FDB11290EBCE6E@goexchange.pghcorning.com>

Its not a violation... they say in their documentation that if you want or
need it to, you can run it on the server.

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 2:27 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Personal question about OCX


If you bought it to run on demand on a single PC, running it as a service on
a server may very well be a violation of your EULA on the software.
 
Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Lavsa, Rich [mailto:Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 10:11 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Personal question about OCX


Drew,
 
We bought software that has some automation programs that receive email and
send email among other things.  Each one is a separate "module" or "add in"
for this software package.  They were intended to run on a pc and started by
an individual as they were needed.  Our need exceeded this use, we need this
to run 24 / 7, so we started them on the server, and simply locked the
computer letting the "modules" run.  I did look in to the OCX to see if I
could convert these little exe's into services that would run on the server
without logging into the server, however I believe you need to insert code
into the applications on load events or something if I remember correctly.  
 
Do you know of any other way to let an application that should be a service,
run as a service.  Hang up is that I cannot gain access to the source code
without paying, or having them do it and charge us out the wazzoo??  All I
have is an EXE that I kick off.  
 
Just looking for some insight...
 
thanks,
Rich

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From Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com  Tue May 13 15:02:05 2003
From: Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com (Lavsa, Rich)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 16:02:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Personal question about OCX
Message-ID: <833956F5C117124A89417638FDB11290EBCE6F@goexchange.pghcorning.com>

To expand a little ... 
The application is an Enterprise edition, meaning back end is SQL Server,
and a purchase of a license for each workstation the GUI is used on.
 
There are special modules that a named responsible person was intended to
start these add ons every day and have them hog resources on their PC,
however they state in their documentation that these add on's can be run on
the server as well if there was a need to, however don't offer these add
on's as a service which I think is pretty hokey. 
 
later,
rich

-----Original Message-----
From: Lavsa, Rich [mailto:Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 3:49 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Personal question about OCX


Its not a violation... they say in their documentation that if you want or
need it to, you can run it on the server.

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 2:27 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Personal question about OCX


If you bought it to run on demand on a single PC, running it as a service on
a server may very well be a violation of your EULA on the software.
 
Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Lavsa, Rich [mailto:Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 10:11 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Personal question about OCX


Drew,
 
We bought software that has some automation programs that receive email and
send email among other things.  Each one is a separate "module" or "add in"
for this software package.  They were intended to run on a pc and started by
an individual as they were needed.  Our need exceeded this use, we need this
to run 24 / 7, so we started them on the server, and simply locked the
computer letting the "modules" run.  I did look in to the OCX to see if I
could convert these little exe's into services that would run on the server
without logging into the server, however I believe you need to insert code
into the applications on load events or something if I remember correctly.  
 
Do you know of any other way to let an application that should be a service,
run as a service.  Hang up is that I cannot gain access to the source code
without paying, or having them do it and charge us out the wazzoo??  All I
have is an EXE that I kick off.  
 
Just looking for some insight...
 
thanks,
Rich

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From JHewson at karta.com  Tue May 13 15:24:21 2003
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 15:24:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
Message-ID: <353A32F9B331D411BB8F00A0C9FC503701294B98@NT04>

I would be interested in the test also.

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 10:01 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers



I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a position
as a systems developer later in the week. 

Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input from
y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience, who will be
expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very taxing), some light
(but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair amount of Office integration
and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2. 

It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at the
moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking than 100%
correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' answers with them
at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for me let me know and I'll
mail you the word doc.

TIA 

Roz 

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue May 13 15:40:38 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 15:40:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Top 3 query returns only one record
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C18@main2.marlow.com>

That should do it.  You're subquery was only going to give you the last
three dates of the entire table.  You need the last three dates PER
well_label.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Kaup, Chester A [mailto:kaupca at chevrontexaco.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 1:46 PM
To: ACCESSD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Top 3 query returns only one record



The following query returns only one record per well_label rather than the
last 3 like I need. I don't see the problem-been looking at it to long.
Thanks

SELECT TEST_DATE, FIELD_CODE, SAP_BORE_COMP_NUMBER, WELL_LABEL, GAS_VOL,
OIL_VOL, WATER_VOL 
FROM [TBL T15 WELL TESTS] [Drew Wutka] AS T1 
WHERE TEST_DATE IN 
(SELECT TOP 3 TEST_DATE 
FROM [TBL T15 WELL TESTS] 
[Drew Wutka] WHERE WELL_LABEL=T1.WELL_LABEL 
ORDER BY TEST_DATE DESC) 
ORDER BY WELL_LABEL ASC, TEST_DATE DESC; 

No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number
of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.



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From jarus at amerinet-gpo.com  Tue May 13 16:00:41 2003
From: jarus at amerinet-gpo.com (Terri Jarus)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 16:00:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Quick Update Solution
Message-ID: <sec116be.016@an-mail.amerinet-gpo.com>

I could be wrong, but I would create an append query and if you have
your table set up correctly, it will not accept any duplicate records. 
There still may be a time issue dependent on the amount of data being
appended.

That's one suggestion.

>>> pblack at hotmail.com 05/12/03 02:38PM >>>
Is there a quicker/better way to append data than the method I
currently 
use:

select all records from table 1

move to first record in table 1

loop through every record in table 2 to see if a match occurs on
LINK_PT 
field

If there is a match it is skipped.

If there is no match then table 1 record is appended to table 2

Move to next record in table 1 and continue loop until .eof

I can do it this way but is there another quicker solution. As the
tables 
grow the speed slows. I am using A97 for the app.

Thanks

Paul

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From kathryn at bassett.net  Tue May 13 16:56:40 2003
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 14:56:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956904@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <JGENLKHHDJPDMMDICAKIIEGKELAB.kathryn@bassett.net>

Technical test for developersRoz, I'd like to try just to see how much I
know, not because of interest in getting the job.

--
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"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
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  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
  Sent: 13 May 2003 8:00:AM
  To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
  Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


  I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a
position as a systems developer later in the week.

  Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input from
y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience, who will be
expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very taxing), some light
(but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair amount of Office integration
and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2.

  It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at the
moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking than 100%
correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' answers with them
at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for me let me know and I'll
mail you the word doc.

  TIA

  Roz

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From Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov  Tue May 13 17:20:05 2003
From: Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov (Stoker, Kenneth E)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 15:20:05 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
Message-ID: <249C1CB246997C48BB74963CCD361C1B69B7E3@pnlmse28.pnl.gov>

Roz,
 
I would be interested in trying your test, although it will probably just show me how little I do know.
 
Ken Stoker

Technology Commercialization

Information Systems Administrator

PH: (509) 375-3758

FAX: (509) 375-6731

E-mail:  Kenneth.Stoker at pnl.gov

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 8:01 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers



I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a position as a systems developer later in the week. 

Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input from y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience, who will be expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very taxing), some light (but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair amount of Office integration and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2. 

It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at the moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking than 100% correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' answers with them at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for me let me know and I'll mail you the word doc.

TIA 

Roz 

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue May 13 17:55:01 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 08:55:01 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Personal question about OCX
In-Reply-To: <833956F5C117124A89417638FDB11290EBCE6D@goexchange.pghcorning.com>
Message-ID: <3EC20465.1035.1C1C02@localhost>

Take a look at Firedaemon http://www.firedaemon.com/

"What Is It?
FireDaemon is a utility that allows you to install and run virtually 
any native Win32 application or script (eg. BAT/CMD, Perl, Java, 
Python, TCL/TK) as a Windows NT/2K/XP service. FireDaemon features 
easy configuration (via GUI or XML), a low memory/CPU overhead, 
subprocess prioritisation, custom environments, CPU binding plus 
monitoring and logging to the event log and on-disk log files.

FireDaemon is supplied in three forms: a free Lite version (with 
limited functionality for non-commercial use), a fully functional Pro 
version and an OEM version designed for redistribution."
'

On 13 May 2003 at 14:11, Lavsa, Rich wrote:

> Drew,
> 
> We bought software that has some automation programs that receive
> email and send email among other things.  Each one is a separate
> "module" or "add in" for this software package.  They were intended to
> run on a pc and started by an individual as they were needed.  Our
> need exceeded this use, we need this to run 24 / 7, so we started them
> on the server, and simply locked the computer letting the "modules"
> run.  I did look in to the OCX to see if I could convert these little
> exe's into services that would run on the server without logging into
> the server, however I believe you need to insert code into the
> applications on load events or something if I remember correctly.  
> 
> Do you know of any other way to let an application that should be a
> service, run as a service.  Hang up is that I cannot gain access to
> the source code without paying, or having them do it and charge us out
> the wazzoo??  All I have is an EXE that I kick off.  
> 
> Just looking for some insight...
> 
> thanks,
> Rich
> 


-- 
Lexacorp Ltd
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue May 13 18:10:16 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:10:16 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access + Pegasus
In-Reply-To: <sec0eea3.058@cbc.ca>
Message-ID: <3EC207F8.10910.2A1182@localhost>

On 13 May 2003 at 13:09, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:

> Arthur,
> 
> AFAIK, Pegasus doesn't support true automation the way LookOut does.
> However, you can use DDE commands to work with Pegasus.
> 
> I have a demo of how to use DDE to send the currently opened Word doc
> via Pegasus automatically. You can grab it from:
> http://www3.sympatico.ca/carbonnb/bryan/utilities.html
> 
> Advantages. Where do you start :-))
> 
.....
> What else am I forgetting Stuart?
> 
Among others, 

Standard MAPI compliance - I do most of my Access to Pegasus routines 
using Simple MAPI (although as Brian says, DDE is available).  The 
advantage of that is it will work with just about any mail client if 
you want to distribute the application.

Integrates tightly with Mercury ( a very good FREE low footprint full 
blown mail server with too many capabilities to list)

Noticeboards
Simple but powerful templating
Good Distribution List handling ( the bane of my life with some 
clients who insist on using Outlook)
Selective mail download
LDAP support
(and I really have to repeat the filtering capabilites are 
outstanding)




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http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From artful at rogers.com  Tue May 13 18:16:32 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 19:16:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access + Pegasus
In-Reply-To: <1052851673.19177.44.camel@sgsax-th4022c>
Message-ID: <000b01c319a5$b1205410$8e01a8c0@Rock>

I don't have a choice, nor do the users in question, who to a woman prefer
Outlook but cannot have it.

I would be most appreciative for any off-list sends that you might send. No
need to clutter this list with esoteric stuff.

Does Pegasus have an equivalent to the "Sent Items" folder? It's important
that I keep an audit trail of what was sent, to whom, and when.

A.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Seth Galitzer
Sent: May 13, 2003 2:48 PM
To: accessd
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access + Pegasus


Arthur,

Pegasus doesn't have an object model.  It does, however, support a
commandline mode for sending messages.  Basically, you generate a text file
containing the particulars of the message using a set of known line "tags",
and then run Pegasus with a commandline flag and the path to the text file.
You do not have access to the address book or mail folders using some kind
of API.  However, Pegasus does use standard mbox format for mail folders.
At the worst, you could parse those maually.  Address books are a different
matter.

If you have an option, you might want to look at Eudora, which does have an
object model that is documented and has a pretty workable API.

Alternatively, if all you need to do is send messages, I have some code that
does this in a self-contained fashion that requires no ActiveX controls.  It
only works with Win2K & XP, however.  I haven't found out why specifically,
but I think it's just more dll hell.

Pegasus is used widely here.  It's not my favorite email client, but's it's
pretty clean and has a relatively small footprint.

Seth

On Tue, 2003-05-13 at 11:52, Arthur Fuller wrote:
> I have some slick email routines that work with Access, but until 
> today they have assumed Outlook and its object model. Suddenly I have 
> to assume Pegasus, about which I know nothing. I'll search the list 
> for references in a moment, but right now I don't know a thing about 
> it. Is it easy? Tough? What are the advantages of Pegasus as opposed 
> to Outlook? Should I consider switching my own email client?
> 
> TIA,
> Arthur
> 

-- 
Seth Galitzer			sgsax at ksu.edu
Computing Specialist		http://puma.agron.ksu.edu/~sgsax
Dept. of Plant Pathology
Kansas State University

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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Tue May 13 18:20:08 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 19:20:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access + Pegasus
In-Reply-To: <3EC207F8.10910.2A1182@localhost>
References: <sec0eea3.058@cbc.ca>
Message-ID: <3EC14568.31407.16412D@localhost>

On 14 May 2003 at 9:10, Stuart McLachlan wrote:

> Standard MAPI compliance - I do most of my Access to Pegasus routines
> using Simple MAPI (although as Brian says, DDE is available).  The
> advantage of that is it will work with just about any mail client if
> you want to distribute the application.

Forgot about that.

> LDAP support

I wasn't sure about LDAP, but now I am :-)

> (and I really have to repeat the filtering capabilites are 
> outstanding)
(not deleting this to drive the point home yet again :-)))

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
An unkind remark is like a killing frost. No matter how much it warms 
up later, the damage remains.



From artful at rogers.com  Tue May 13 18:22:49 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 19:22:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access + Pegasus
In-Reply-To: <3EC207F8.10910.2A1182@localhost>
Message-ID: <000f01c319a6$93aba0f0$8e01a8c0@Rock>

Thx for the info.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: May 13, 2003 7:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access + Pegasus


On 13 May 2003 at 13:09, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:

Among others, 

Standard MAPI compliance - I do most of my Access to Pegasus routines 
using Simple MAPI (although as Brian says, DDE is available).  The 
advantage of that is it will work with just about any mail client if 
you want to distribute the application.

Integrates tightly with Mercury ( a very good FREE low footprint full 
blown mail server with too many capabilities to list)

Noticeboards
Simple but powerful templating
Good Distribution List handling ( the bane of my life with some 
clients who insist on using Outlook)
Selective mail download
LDAP support
(and I really have to repeat the filtering capabilites are 
outstanding)



From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Tue May 13 18:23:13 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 19:23:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access + Pegasus
In-Reply-To: <000b01c319a5$b1205410$8e01a8c0@Rock>
References: <1052851673.19177.44.camel@sgsax-th4022c>
Message-ID: <3EC14621.1274.1912C2@localhost>

On 13 May 2003 at 19:16, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> I would be most appreciative for any off-list sends that you might
> send. No need to clutter this list with esoteric stuff.
> 
> Does Pegasus have an equivalent to the "Sent Items" folder? It's
> important that I keep an audit trail of what was sent, to whom, and
> when.

Yes it does. But the user can change the name or disable the sent 
folder altogether.

Plus the can specify the indivudual folder of where to file the copy 
when they send the e-mail.

So it's not as cut and dry as you might hope for.

I'll send you the file that talks about DDE off-list. Plus any other 
goodies I find. :)

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Don't take life too seriously. You won't get out alive.



From selina at easydatabases.com.au  Tue May 13 19:03:59 2003
From: selina at easydatabases.com.au (Selina Iddon)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:03:59 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Quick Update Solution
References: <sec116be.016@an-mail.amerinet-gpo.com>
Message-ID: <005101c319ac$5226a700$6465000a@venus>

How would you go using an append query with a one-way join on the tables
(the one with the records and the receiving table) and criteria  where the
LINK_PT is null in the receiving table.
Cheers
Selina

>
> >>> pblack at hotmail.com 05/12/03 02:38PM >>>
> Is there a quicker/better way to append data than the method I
> currently
> use:
>
> select all records from table 1
>
> move to first record in table 1
>
> loop through every record in table 2 to see if a match occurs on
> LINK_PT
> field
>
> If there is a match it is skipped.
>
> If there is no match then table 1 record is appended to table 2
>
> Move to next record in table 1 and continue loop until .eof
>
> I can do it this way but is there another quicker solution. As the
> tables
> grow the speed slows. I am using A97 for the app.
>
> Thanks
>
> Paul
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue May 13 19:11:33 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:11:33 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access + Pegasus
In-Reply-To: <000b01c319a5$b1205410$8e01a8c0@Rock>
References: <1052851673.19177.44.camel@sgsax-th4022c>
Message-ID: <3EC21655.27234.622FA2@localhost>

On 13 May 2003 at 19:16, Arthur Fuller wrote:


> Does Pegasus have an equivalent to the "Sent Items" folder? It's
> important that I keep an audit trail of what was sent, to whom, and
> when.
> 

Yes it does, but it is of course under the control of the user who 
can delete items.

However, it is trivial to  set up a "CopyToSelf" filtering rule which 
will append a copy of every message  message to a text file 
somewhere.


You can then run an Access program perioodically (overnight?) to read 
the log file(s), save the messages as indexed records in a database 
and then delete the log ready for the next day. 

Voila - a searchable database of everything sent by all users.
(and it also keeps the message "on-topic" <g>)







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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue May 13 19:42:55 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 19:42:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C1C@main2.marlow.com>

I just noticed something tonight.  I had to go into an existing table and
add a few fields.  One field was numeric, then I was going to add two Yes/No
fields.  I did this.  The numeric field was blank/null for all existing
records.  However, I wanted a Yes/No/Not Answered for the Yes/No fields, so
I dropped one of them, and changed the other one to a byte number (1-yes,
2-no, 4-Yes, 8-No) which will let me know the answer for both and whether
they were answered at all.  When I looked back at the datasheet view, the
byte field (which was a yes/no) was all 0's, and the number field was still
all blank.  

So I hypothesized that by setting a Yes/No field, you had either 0 or -1
(maybe 1, I don't remember), but since a Yes/No field only has two possible
values, there was nothing for null, so each field is automatically populated
with 0 or -1.  By switching that field to a number field, it tried to
'convert' the data in those fields, which it did successfully to 0. 

So to prove this, I went into design for that table, changed my 'null
filled' number field to Yes/No, hit save, changed it back to number, and hit
save again.  Whalla, went into datasheet view, and no I had all zero's in my
number field.

Pretty interesting eh?  (Or do I just need some sleep?)

Drew

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue May 13 20:12:46 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:12:46 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C1C@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <3EC224AE.5816.9A39C5@localhost>

On 13 May 2003 at 19:42, Drew Wutka wrote:
> 
> So I hypothesized that by setting a Yes/No field, you had either 0 or
> -1 (maybe 1, I don't remember), but since a Yes/No field only has two
> possible values, there was nothing for null, so each field is
> automatically populated with 0 or -1.  By switching that field to a
> number field, it tried to 'convert' the data in those fields, which it
> did successfully to 0. 
> 
> So to prove this, I went into design for that table, changed my 'null
> filled' number field to Yes/No, hit save, changed it back to number,
> and hit save again.  Whalla, went into datasheet view, and no I had
> all zero's in my number field.
> 
> Pretty interesting eh?  (Or do I just need some sleep?)
> 

A Yes/No field can only have  two values Yes or No, not 3 values 
(Yes, No, Null/Unknown)

That's why you get the annoying behaviour of multiple bound Yes/No 
fields on a form (assuming your form is bound <g>). 

Set the field Required Property to "NO" and the default value to 
"NULL"  and on your form, set the Checkboxes to TripleState.

When you go to a New record, the check boxes are grey (Null), but as 
soon as you start to enter any data, they ALL become False (ie 
unticked). When you try to cycle through the values of one of  
checkbox with the space bar or mouse, you get an error when you try 
to set it to Null ("The value you enterd isn't valid for this field")

The only way to have a TripleState field with a checkbox is by making 
the field type numeric :-(







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From papparuff at attbi.com  Tue May 13 20:47:27 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 18:47:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] SageKey Products
Message-ID: <FLEOJLOFAGCDJIOAMOEPGEKFCAAA.papparuff@attbi.com>

I've noticed at least a couple people here use SageKey products along with
Wise.

Besides their Access runtime programs, has anybody used their MSDE, MDAC,
and/or Security scripts.  Feedback from those who have would be appreciated.

John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)

"Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
                and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3


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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue May 13 21:30:37 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 21:30:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C1C@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <001301c319c0$ce3bd9f0$de1811d8@DanWaters>

Drew,

Your life has been pretty unstable as of late, what with the fire, crashing
machines, unreliable ISPs, broken websites, etc.  We've all had these times
in our lives . . . And yes, the smallest things can seem wondrous for the
moment.

But you're right, a good night's sleep and all will be good again!  Don't
you agree?  -1, or 0?


Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 6:43 PM
To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...


I just noticed something tonight.  I had to go into an existing table and
add a few fields.  One field was numeric, then I was going to add two Yes/No
fields.  I did this.  The numeric field was blank/null for all existing
records.  However, I wanted a Yes/No/Not Answered for the Yes/No fields, so
I dropped one of them, and changed the other one to a byte number (1-yes,
2-no, 4-Yes, 8-No) which will let me know the answer for both and whether
they were answered at all.  When I looked back at the datasheet view, the
byte field (which was a yes/no) was all 0's, and the number field was still
all blank.  

So I hypothesized that by setting a Yes/No field, you had either 0 or -1
(maybe 1, I don't remember), but since a Yes/No field only has two possible
values, there was nothing for null, so each field is automatically populated
with 0 or -1.  By switching that field to a number field, it tried to
'convert' the data in those fields, which it did successfully to 0. 

So to prove this, I went into design for that table, changed my 'null
filled' number field to Yes/No, hit save, changed it back to number, and hit
save again.  Whalla, went into datasheet view, and no I had all zero's in my
number field.

Pretty interesting eh?  (Or do I just need some sleep?)

Drew
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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Tue May 13 21:32:34 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 21:32:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...
Message-ID: <BAY2-F1553FB1FxQFM80000fb55@hotmail.com>

Cool shortcut to save an update query to initialize a new field. I'll have 
to try that sometime.

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: "'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...
>Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 19:42:55 -0500
>
>I just noticed something tonight.  I had to go into an existing table and
>add a few fields.  One field was numeric, then I was going to add two 
>Yes/No
>fields.  I did this.  The numeric field was blank/null for all existing
>records.  However, I wanted a Yes/No/Not Answered for the Yes/No fields, so
>I dropped one of them, and changed the other one to a byte number (1-yes,
>2-no, 4-Yes, 8-No) which will let me know the answer for both and whether
>they were answered at all.  When I looked back at the datasheet view, the
>byte field (which was a yes/no) was all 0's, and the number field was still
>all blank.
>
>So I hypothesized that by setting a Yes/No field, you had either 0 or -1
>(maybe 1, I don't remember), but since a Yes/No field only has two possible
>values, there was nothing for null, so each field is automatically 
>populated
>with 0 or -1.  By switching that field to a number field, it tried to
>'convert' the data in those fields, which it did successfully to 0.
>
>So to prove this, I went into design for that table, changed my 'null
>filled' number field to Yes/No, hit save, changed it back to number, and 
>hit
>save again.  Whalla, went into datasheet view, and no I had all zero's in 
>my
>number field.
>
>Pretty interesting eh?  (Or do I just need some sleep?)
>
>Drew
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue May 13 21:36:55 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 21:36:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C1E@main2.marlow.com>

Grin....so true...

So, did you know about switching, saving, and switching, so set existing
record number fields to 0?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 9:31 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...


Drew,

Your life has been pretty unstable as of late, what with the fire, crashing
machines, unreliable ISPs, broken websites, etc.  We've all had these times
in our lives . . . And yes, the smallest things can seem wondrous for the
moment.

But you're right, a good night's sleep and all will be good again!  Don't
you agree?  -1, or 0?


Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 6:43 PM
To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...


I just noticed something tonight.  I had to go into an existing table and
add a few fields.  One field was numeric, then I was going to add two Yes/No
fields.  I did this.  The numeric field was blank/null for all existing
records.  However, I wanted a Yes/No/Not Answered for the Yes/No fields, so
I dropped one of them, and changed the other one to a byte number (1-yes,
2-no, 4-Yes, 8-No) which will let me know the answer for both and whether
they were answered at all.  When I looked back at the datasheet view, the
byte field (which was a yes/no) was all 0's, and the number field was still
all blank.  

So I hypothesized that by setting a Yes/No field, you had either 0 or -1
(maybe 1, I don't remember), but since a Yes/No field only has two possible
values, there was nothing for null, so each field is automatically populated
with 0 or -1.  By switching that field to a number field, it tried to
'convert' the data in those fields, which it did successfully to 0. 

So to prove this, I went into design for that table, changed my 'null
filled' number field to Yes/No, hit save, changed it back to number, and hit
save again.  Whalla, went into datasheet view, and no I had all zero's in my
number field.

Pretty interesting eh?  (Or do I just need some sleep?)

Drew
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue May 13 21:37:55 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 21:37:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C1F@main2.marlow.com>

That's what I thought.  I always ran an update query afterwards, but this is
MUCH faster!  Of course it only sets the values to 0, so if the initial
values need to be something else it's not going to help.  (Of course that
would mean you have a calculated field......<grin>)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Kjos [mailto:garykjos at hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 9:33 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...


Cool shortcut to save an update query to initialize a new field. I'll have 
to try that sometime.

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: "'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...
>Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 19:42:55 -0500
>
>I just noticed something tonight.  I had to go into an existing table and
>add a few fields.  One field was numeric, then I was going to add two 
>Yes/No
>fields.  I did this.  The numeric field was blank/null for all existing
>records.  However, I wanted a Yes/No/Not Answered for the Yes/No fields, so
>I dropped one of them, and changed the other one to a byte number (1-yes,
>2-no, 4-Yes, 8-No) which will let me know the answer for both and whether
>they were answered at all.  When I looked back at the datasheet view, the
>byte field (which was a yes/no) was all 0's, and the number field was still
>all blank.
>
>So I hypothesized that by setting a Yes/No field, you had either 0 or -1
>(maybe 1, I don't remember), but since a Yes/No field only has two possible
>values, there was nothing for null, so each field is automatically 
>populated
>with 0 or -1.  By switching that field to a number field, it tried to
>'convert' the data in those fields, which it did successfully to 0.
>
>So to prove this, I went into design for that table, changed my 'null
>filled' number field to Yes/No, hit save, changed it back to number, and 
>hit
>save again.  Whalla, went into datasheet view, and no I had all zero's in 
>my
>number field.
>
>Pretty interesting eh?  (Or do I just need some sleep?)
>
>Drew
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue May 13 21:48:55 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 21:48:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C1E@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <001401c319c3$5f8402f0$de1811d8@DanWaters>

This was a new one on me.  I also think that this would be a good trick to
follow if I need to do this!

Thanks for the tip!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 8:37 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...


Grin....so true...

So, did you know about switching, saving, and switching, so set existing
record number fields to 0?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 9:31 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...


Drew,

Your life has been pretty unstable as of late, what with the fire, crashing
machines, unreliable ISPs, broken websites, etc.  We've all had these times
in our lives . . . And yes, the smallest things can seem wondrous for the
moment.

But you're right, a good night's sleep and all will be good again!  Don't
you agree?  -1, or 0?


Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 6:43 PM
To: 'AccessD at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...


I just noticed something tonight.  I had to go into an existing table and
add a few fields.  One field was numeric, then I was going to add two Yes/No
fields.  I did this.  The numeric field was blank/null for all existing
records.  However, I wanted a Yes/No/Not Answered for the Yes/No fields, so
I dropped one of them, and changed the other one to a byte number (1-yes,
2-no, 4-Yes, 8-No) which will let me know the answer for both and whether
they were answered at all.  When I looked back at the datasheet view, the
byte field (which was a yes/no) was all 0's, and the number field was still
all blank.  

So I hypothesized that by setting a Yes/No field, you had either 0 or -1
(maybe 1, I don't remember), but since a Yes/No field only has two possible
values, there was nothing for null, so each field is automatically populated
with 0 or -1.  By switching that field to a number field, it tried to
'convert' the data in those fields, which it did successfully to 0. 

So to prove this, I went into design for that table, changed my 'null
filled' number field to Yes/No, hit save, changed it back to number, and hit
save again.  Whalla, went into datasheet view, and no I had all zero's in my
number field.

Pretty interesting eh?  (Or do I just need some sleep?)

Drew
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From michael.maddison at ddisolutions.com.au  Wed May 14 01:08:20 2003
From: michael.maddison at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 16:08:20 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Personal question about OCX
Message-ID: <6D8C24685B2A614481AD0BDAB0AC94F995EE@ddi-pdc.DDISolutions.ddisolutions.com.au>

You can download an ocx (NTSVC.ocx) from MS that you can use in VB5/6 to
enable the exe to run as a service.  In .Net you
can create a service type app straight off.  You could maybe automate
the email exe from there.  I'm not too optimistic though
as I recall trying this some years ago and ran into permission problems.
Basically MS doesn't like services sending email :-)
I ended up using scheduler as it suited my needs at the time.

cheers

Michael M

Drew,

We bought software that has some automation programs that receive email
and send email among other things.  Each one is a separate "module" or
"add in" for this software package.  They were intended to run on a pc
and started by an individual as they were needed.  Our need exceeded
this use, we need this to run 24 / 7, so we started them on the server,
and simply locked the computer letting the "modules" run.  I did look in
to the OCX to see if I could convert these little exe's into services
that would run on the server without logging into the server, however I
believe you need to insert code into the applications on load events or
something if I remember correctly.  

Do you know of any other way to let an application that should be a
service, run as a service.  Hang up is that I cannot gain access to the
source code without paying, or having them do it and charge us out the
wazzoo??  All I have is an EXE that I kick off.  

Just looking for some insight...

thanks,
Rich

From michael.maddison at ddisolutions.com.au  Wed May 14 01:19:53 2003
From: michael.maddison at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 16:19:53 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
Message-ID: <6D8C24685B2A614481AD0BDAB0AC94F995EF@ddi-pdc.DDISolutions.ddisolutions.com.au>

William,

I use surge protectors in my fuse box too...  however...
About 18 months ago my work pc at home got zapped real good.  A direct
hit on  the phone connection thingie out the front of my house
and it wiped out all the phones up and down the street and also my
modem, motherboard, hdd circuits etc :-(((  Now I leave the PC
turned on but unplug the modem when storms threaten (rarely).  I managed
to save my data because I had 2 modems exactly
the same model, one had my work data on it, the other was sitting in the
cupboard cos I had replaced it.  I unscrewed the circuit board
at the bottom and swapped em over.  Still works like a dream :-)

cheers

Michael M


...the better solution is to install real electrical surge protectors at
your electrical panels rather than the toy suppressors we all have for
our computers and phones ...most of those sold at computer/office
outlets can't handle more than a short, mild surge ...for areas like
south Florida where we get frequent lightning storms you need much more
...the ones we have in our main panel and phone distribution block cost
$300+ but handle over 26MVA surges ...anything but a direct hit
...before we installed them we had constant hits on our computers
despite each having their own suppressors ...after installation, I've
been able to work through the worst storms ...as long as power stays on,
I can without worrying ...HTH :)

...of course if I needed a handy excuse to take off this time of year
anyway, yours would work :))))

William Hindman

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed May 14 01:43:34 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 16:43:34 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Personal question about OCX
In-Reply-To: <6D8C24685B2A614481AD0BDAB0AC94F995EE@ddi-pdc.DDISolutions.ddisolutions.com.au>
Message-ID: <3EC27236.27937.1C91858@localhost>

On 14 May 2003 at 16:08, Michael Maddison wrote:

> You can download an ocx (NTSVC.ocx) from MS that you can use in VB5/6
> to enable the exe to run as a service.  In .Net you can create a
> service type app straight off.  You could maybe automate the email exe
> from there.  I'm not too optimistic though as I recall trying this
> some years ago and ran into permission problems. Basically MS doesn't
> like services sending email :-) I ended up using scheduler as it
> suited my needs at the time.
> 

Services can send emails in Windows with no problem. A lot of people 
run the Mercury mailserver as a service using Firedaemon.

Possibly the problem was more with a service trying to use Outlook to 
send mail rather than using it's own SMTP interface or MAPI.






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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed May 14 03:25:59 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:25:59 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956921@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Kathryn
 
I tried to send it to kathryn at bassett.net <mailto:kathryn at bassett.net>  and
it bounced with permanent fatal errors. Do you have another mail address I
could try?
 
Also I should re-iterate that *I* compiled the test and therefore at the
moment it's no proof of anything - some of the questions are borrowed from
other people but I still don't know for certain that their answers are good!
That's what I'm hoping people on the list will be able to tell me.
 
Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Kathryn Bassett [mailto:kathryn at bassett.net] 
Sent: 13 May 2003 22:57
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


Roz, I'd like to try just to see how much I know, not because of interest in
getting the job.
 
--
Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net <http://bassett.net/>   

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: 13 May 2003 8:00:AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers



I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a position
as a systems developer later in the week. 

Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input from
y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience, who will be
expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very taxing), some light
(but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair amount of Office integration
and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2. 

It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at the
moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking than 100%
correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' answers with them
at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for me let me know and I'll
mail you the word doc.

TIA 

Roz 

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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed May 14 03:39:56 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:39:56 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956924@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Thanks John

I've thrown this back to the list to discuss your suggestions.

Regarding the running of SQL statements direct versus passing a string
variable - is there a reason for doing this other than the re-usability of
the variable? I want to be able to explain why I was looking for a certain
thing, and so many of these things are just habits I picked up from the list
without ever fully understanding WHY.

An Excel spreadsheet would be more common but I wanted the typos - you'd be
a lot less likely to get typos in a spreadsheet... But you're probly right
anyway.

Thanks again for the input

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: 13 May 2003 21:15
To: Roz Clarke
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


Roz,

Pretty good test.

A couple of minor suggestions.

You might change your code in Access programming #2 to: db.Execute "INSERT
INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES ( #" & Date & "#, " &
FlagCount & ") " which would show a lack of experience - and then see if
they change it to
use:
---------------------------
Dim strSQL As String
strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES ( #" &
Date & "#, " & FlagCount & ") " db.Execute strSQL
---------------------------

I also thought the converting a Word table exercise would be better as
converting an Excel spreadsheet exercise - nothing wrong with the original -
I just think an Excel example would be a more common experience. JMO though.

John

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 11:02 AM
> To: 'John Bartow'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
>
>
> Here you are - no peeking at the answers!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: 13 May 2003 16:57
> To: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
>
>
> Hi Roz,
> I'll give it a drive for you.
>
> John B.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 10:00 AM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
>
>
> I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a 
> position as a systems developer later in the week.
>
> Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input 
> from y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience, 
> who will be expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very 
> taxing), some light
> (but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair amount of Office
> integration
> and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2.
>
> It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at 
> the moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking 
> than 100% correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' 
> answers with them at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for 
> me let me know and I'll mail you the word doc.
>
> TIA
>
> Roz
>
>
>


From michael.broesdorf at web.de  Wed May 14 04:01:41 2003
From: michael.broesdorf at web.de (=?us-ascii?Q?Michael_Brosdorf?=)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:01:41 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Textbox formatting question
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956921@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <NEBBIILOPOPJBCLJIJHHMEJJEAAA.michael.broesdorf@web.de>

MessageDear group,

is it possible to format portions the values display in a textbox on a form
in bold formatting?

The value always is an 8-character string. The 3rd and 4th character should
be displayed bold, but I don't want to split up the field.

Something like HTML would do with 12<b>34</b>5678


Best regards,


Michael
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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Wed May 14 03:59:41 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 8:59:41 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
Message-ID: <20030514085941.XUQO5167.fep04-svc.ttys.com@localhost>

Roz,

Could you send it to me as well at paul.hartland at fsmail.net I would be interested in this as well.

Thanks

Paul

From: Roz Clarke <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
Date: Wed 14/May/2003 08:25 GMT
To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers

Kathryn
 
I tried to send it to kathryn at bassett.net <mailto:kathryn at bassett.net>  and
it bounced with permanent fatal errors. Do you have another mail address I
could try?
 
Also I should re-iterate that *I* compiled the test and therefore at the
moment it's no proof of anything - some of the questions are borrowed from
other people but I still don't know for certain that their answers are good!
That's what I'm hoping people on the list will be able to tell me.
 
Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Kathryn Bassett [mailto:kathryn at bassett.net] 
Sent: 13 May 2003 22:57
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


Roz, I'd like to try just to see how much I know, not because of interest in
getting the job.
 
--
Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net <http://bassett.net/>   

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: 13 May 2003 8:00:AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers



I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a position
as a systems developer later in the week. 

Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input from
y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience, who will be
expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very taxing), some light
(but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair amount of Office integration
and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2. 

It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at the
moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking than 100%
correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' answers with them
at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for me let me know and I'll
mail you the word doc.

TIA 

Roz 


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed May 14 04:14:08 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:14:08 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Textbox formatting question
In-Reply-To: <NEBBIILOPOPJBCLJIJHHMEJJEAAA.michael.broesdorf@web.de>
References: <NEBBIILOPOPJBCLJIJHHMEJJEAAA.michael.broesdorf@web.de>
Message-ID: <588123430.20030514111408@cactus.dk>

Hi Michael

> is it possible to format portions the values display in a textbox on a form
> in bold formatting?

> The value always is an 8-character string. The 3rd and 4th character should
> be displayed bold, but I don't want to split up the field.

> Something like HTML would do with 12<b>34</b>5678

If it is for display only, I would split up the field and choose a
font with equal width of every digit like MS Sans Serif.

/gustav


From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed May 14 04:24:12 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:24:12 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C831880395692A@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

All those to whom I've sent the test today please note: it is a work in
progress and the test questions document does NOT currently line up exactly
with the Q & A document!! 

I have to have this signed off in an hour so I won't be sending any more
copies out until it is finished - that way you'll get Q's & As that make
sense. Of course any feedback you have will still be interesting even though
I won't be able to make any further changes to the test.

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: 14 May 2003 09:40
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


Thanks John

I've thrown this back to the list to discuss your suggestions.

Regarding the running of SQL statements direct versus passing a string
variable - is there a reason for doing this other than the re-usability of
the variable? I want to be able to explain why I was looking for a certain
thing, and so many of these things are just habits I picked up from the list
without ever fully understanding WHY.

An Excel spreadsheet would be more common but I wanted the typos - you'd be
a lot less likely to get typos in a spreadsheet... But you're probly right
anyway.

Thanks again for the input

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: 13 May 2003 21:15
To: Roz Clarke
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


Roz,

Pretty good test.

A couple of minor suggestions.

You might change your code in Access programming #2 to: db.Execute "INSERT
INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES ( #" & Date & "#, " &
FlagCount & ") " which would show a lack of experience - and then see if
they change it to
use:
---------------------------
Dim strSQL As String
strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES ( #" &
Date & "#, " & FlagCount & ") " db.Execute strSQL
---------------------------

I also thought the converting a Word table exercise would be better as
converting an Excel spreadsheet exercise - nothing wrong with the original -
I just think an Excel example would be a more common experience. JMO though.

John

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 11:02 AM
> To: 'John Bartow'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
>
>
> Here you are - no peeking at the answers!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: 13 May 2003 16:57
> To: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
>
>
> Hi Roz,
> I'll give it a drive for you.
>
> John B.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 10:00 AM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
>
>
> I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a
> position as a systems developer later in the week.
>
> Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input
> from y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience, 
> who will be expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very 
> taxing), some light
> (but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair amount of Office
> integration
> and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2.
>
> It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at
> the moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking 
> than 100% correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' 
> answers with them at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for 
> me let me know and I'll mail you the word doc.
>
> TIA
>
> Roz
>
>
>

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From Alun.Garraway at otto.de  Wed May 14 04:40:04 2003
From: Alun.Garraway at otto.de (Garraway, Alun)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:40:04 +0200
Subject: AW: [AccessD] Quick Update Solution
Message-ID: <9F7DD6E5DB1ED611B4B10002A542365C013AE363@ntovmail05.ov.otto.de>

if the LINK_PT is null you want to append the new records, right(?)

if that's the case, you set the LINK_PT as PK no duplicates allowed,
then the append qry can only add records that are new.

hth
alun

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Selina Iddon [mailto:selina at easydatabases.com.au]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 14. Mai 2003 02:04
An: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Betreff: Re: [AccessD] Quick Update Solution


How would you go using an append query with a one-way join on the tables
(the one with the records and the receiving table) and criteria  where the
LINK_PT is null in the receiving table.
Cheers
Selina

>
> >>> pblack at hotmail.com 05/12/03 02:38PM >>>
> Is there a quicker/better way to append data than the method I
> currently
> use:
>
> select all records from table 1
>
> move to first record in table 1
>
> loop through every record in table 2 to see if a match occurs on
> LINK_PT
> field
>
> If there is a match it is skipped.
>
> If there is no match then table 1 record is appended to table 2
>
> Move to next record in table 1 and continue loop until .eof
>
> I can do it this way but is there another quicker solution. As the
> tables
> grow the speed slows. I am using A97 for the app.
>
> Thanks
>
> Paul
>
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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Wed May 14 05:29:47 2003
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 14:29:47 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
References: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C831880395692A@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <001b01c31a03$c1ecc6d0$b501010a@DAISY.local>

> You might change your code in Access programming #2 to: db.Execute "INSERT
> INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES ( #" & Date & "#, " &
> FlagCount & ") " which would show a lack of experience - and then see if
> they change it to
> use:
> ---------------------------
> Dim strSQL As String
> strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES ( #" &
> Date & "#, " & FlagCount & ") " db.Execute strSQL
BTW, both are incorrect - instead of Date you should have used:

Format(Date, "MM\/DD\/YYYY")

or
Format(Date, "YYYY\/MM\/DD")

even this

Format(Date, "DD\/MM\/YYYY")
should work corectly if day number is greater than 12...

Or was it a kind of trap-test?

Shamil

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 1:24 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


> All those to whom I've sent the test today please note: it is a work in
> progress and the test questions document does NOT currently line up
exactly
> with the Q & A document!!
>
> I have to have this signed off in an hour so I won't be sending any more
> copies out until it is finished - that way you'll get Q's & As that make
> sense. Of course any feedback you have will still be interesting even
though
> I won't be able to make any further changes to the test.
>
> Roz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
> Sent: 14 May 2003 09:40
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
>
>
> Thanks John
>
> I've thrown this back to the list to discuss your suggestions.
>
> Regarding the running of SQL statements direct versus passing a string
> variable - is there a reason for doing this other than the re-usability of
> the variable? I want to be able to explain why I was looking for a certain
> thing, and so many of these things are just habits I picked up from the
list
> without ever fully understanding WHY.
>
> An Excel spreadsheet would be more common but I wanted the typos - you'd
be
> a lot less likely to get typos in a spreadsheet... But you're probly right
> anyway.
>
> Thanks again for the input
>
> Roz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: 13 May 2003 21:15
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
>
>
> Roz,
>
> Pretty good test.
>
> A couple of minor suggestions.
>
> You might change your code in Access programming #2 to: db.Execute "INSERT
> INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES ( #" & Date & "#, " &
> FlagCount & ") " which would show a lack of experience - and then see if
> they change it to
> use:
> ---------------------------
> Dim strSQL As String
> strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES ( #" &
> Date & "#, " & FlagCount & ") " db.Execute strSQL
> ---------------------------
>
> I also thought the converting a Word table exercise would be better as
> converting an Excel spreadsheet exercise - nothing wrong with the
original -
> I just think an Excel example would be a more common experience. JMO
though.
>
> John
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 11:02 AM
> > To: 'John Bartow'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
> >
> >
> > Here you are - no peeking at the answers!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> > Sent: 13 May 2003 16:57
> > To: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
> >
> >
> > Hi Roz,
> > I'll give it a drive for you.
> >
> > John B.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 10:00 AM
> > To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
> >
> >
> > I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a
> > position as a systems developer later in the week.
> >
> > Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input
> > from y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience,
> > who will be expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very
> > taxing), some light
> > (but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair amount of Office
> > integration
> > and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2.
> >
> > It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at
> > the moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking
> > than 100% correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees'
> > answers with them at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for
> > me let me know and I'll mail you the word doc.
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Roz
> >
> >
> >
>
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed May 14 05:49:21 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:49:21 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C831880395692D@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Naw, not a trap-test, I'm just not that good!

Roz
o

-----Original Message-----
From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru] 
Sent: 14 May 2003 11:30
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


> You might change your code in Access programming #2 to: db.Execute 
> "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES ( #" & Date 
> & "#, " & FlagCount & ") " which would show a lack of experience - and 
> then see if they change it to
> use:
> ---------------------------
> Dim strSQL As String
> strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES ( 
> #" & Date & "#, " & FlagCount & ") " db.Execute strSQL
BTW, both are incorrect - instead of Date you should have used:

Format(Date, "MM\/DD\/YYYY")

or
Format(Date, "YYYY\/MM\/DD")

even this

Format(Date, "DD\/MM\/YYYY")
should work corectly if day number is greater than 12...

Or was it a kind of trap-test?

Shamil

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 1:24 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


> All those to whom I've sent the test today please note: it is a work 
> in progress and the test questions document does NOT currently line up
exactly
> with the Q & A document!!
>
> I have to have this signed off in an hour so I won't be sending any 
> more copies out until it is finished - that way you'll get Q's & As 
> that make sense. Of course any feedback you have will still be 
> interesting even
though
> I won't be able to make any further changes to the test.
>
> Roz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
> Sent: 14 May 2003 09:40
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
>
>
> Thanks John
>
> I've thrown this back to the list to discuss your suggestions.
>
> Regarding the running of SQL statements direct versus passing a string 
> variable - is there a reason for doing this other than the 
> re-usability of the variable? I want to be able to explain why I was 
> looking for a certain thing, and so many of these things are just 
> habits I picked up from the
list
> without ever fully understanding WHY.
>
> An Excel spreadsheet would be more common but I wanted the typos - 
> you'd
be
> a lot less likely to get typos in a spreadsheet... But you're probly 
> right anyway.
>
> Thanks again for the input
>
> Roz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: 13 May 2003 21:15
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
>
>
> Roz,
>
> Pretty good test.
>
> A couple of minor suggestions.
>
> You might change your code in Access programming #2 to: db.Execute 
> "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES ( #" & Date 
> & "#, " & FlagCount & ") " which would show a lack of experience - and 
> then see if they change it to
> use:
> ---------------------------
> Dim strSQL As String
> strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES ( 
> #" & Date & "#, " & FlagCount & ") " db.Execute strSQL
> ---------------------------
>
> I also thought the converting a Word table exercise would be better as 
> converting an Excel spreadsheet exercise - nothing wrong with the
original -
> I just think an Excel example would be a more common experience. JMO
though.
>
> John
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 11:02 AM
> > To: 'John Bartow'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
> >
> >
> > Here you are - no peeking at the answers!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> > Sent: 13 May 2003 16:57
> > To: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
> >
> >
> > Hi Roz,
> > I'll give it a drive for you.
> >
> > John B.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 10:00 AM
> > To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
> >
> >
> > I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a 
> > position as a systems developer later in the week.
> >
> > Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input 
> > from y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience, 
> > who will be expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very 
> > taxing), some light (but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair 
> > amount of Office integration
> > and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2.
> >
> > It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at 
> > the moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking 
> > than 100% correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' 
> > answers with them at length). If you'd be willing to road test it 
> > for me let me know and I'll mail you the word doc.
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Roz
> >
> >
> >
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed May 14 05:56:57 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 20:56:57 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956924@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3EC2AD99.16273.2B114F2@localhost>

On 14 May 2003 at 9:39, Roz Clarke wrote:

> Thanks John
> 
> I've thrown this back to the list to discuss your suggestions.
> 
> Regarding the running of SQL statements direct versus passing a string
> variable - is there a reason for doing this other than the
> re-usability of the variable? I want to be able to explain why I was
> looking for a certain thing, and so many of these things are just
> habits I picked up from the list without ever fully understanding WHY.
> 

For debugging purposes, it's a lot easier if you use a string 
variable. If something breaks, you can do a MsgBox strSQL to see 
where it has gone wrong. Using the SQL statement directly is an 
advantage if you are iterating through a loop and executing may 
times. It runs slightly faster.


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed May 14 05:59:33 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 20:59:33 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
In-Reply-To: <001b01c31a03$c1ecc6d0$b501010a@DAISY.local>
Message-ID: <3EC2AE35.27425.2B374C5@localhost>

On 14 May 2003 at 14:29, Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:

> BTW, both are incorrect - instead of Date you should have used:
> 
> Format(Date, "MM\/DD\/YYYY")
> 
> or
> Format(Date, "YYYY\/MM\/DD")
> 
> even this
> 
> Format(Date, "DD\/MM\/YYYY")
> should work corectly if day number is greater than 12...
> 
> Or was it a kind of trap-test?
> 
> Shamil
> 

The joys of internationalisation :-)


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From jarus at amerinet-gpo.com  Wed May 14 06:07:48 2003
From: jarus at amerinet-gpo.com (Terri Jarus)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 06:07:48 -0500
Subject: AW: [AccessD] Quick Update Solution
Message-ID: <sec1dd42.019@an-mail.amerinet-gpo.com>

I wouldn't think you would need to do a join.  Just set up an append
query using Table 2 only - when you run it, Table 1 will only accept
those records that have a unique PK.


>>> Alun.Garraway at otto.de 05/14/03 04:40AM >>>
if the LINK_PT is null you want to append the new records, right(?)

if that's the case, you set the LINK_PT as PK no duplicates allowed,
then the append qry can only add records that are new.

hth
alun

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Selina Iddon [mailto:selina at easydatabases.com.au] 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 14. Mai 2003 02:04
An: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Betreff: Re: [AccessD] Quick Update Solution


How would you go using an append query with a one-way join on the
tables
(the one with the records and the receiving table) and criteria  where
the
LINK_PT is null in the receiving table.
Cheers
Selina

>
> >>> pblack at hotmail.com 05/12/03 02:38PM >>>
> Is there a quicker/better way to append data than the method I
> currently
> use:
>
> select all records from table 1
>
> move to first record in table 1
>
> loop through every record in table 2 to see if a match occurs on
> LINK_PT
> field
>
> If there is a match it is skipped.
>
> If there is no match then table 1 record is appended to table 2
>
> Move to next record in table 1 and continue loop until .eof
>
> I can do it this way but is there another quicker solution. As the
> tables
> grow the speed slows. I am using A97 for the app.
>
> Thanks
>
> Paul
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed May 14 06:32:06 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:32:06 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
In-Reply-To: <14133105290979013763d0567@global.net.pg>
References: <14133105290979013763d0567@global.net.pg>
Message-ID: <416400913.20030514133206@cactus.dk>

Hi Stuart

> For debugging purposes, it's a lot easier if you use a string
> variable. If something breaks, you can do a MsgBox strSQL to see 
> where it has gone wrong.
> Using the SQL statement directly is an advantage if you are
> iterating through a loop and executing may times. It runs slightly
> faster. 

Ahh Stuart - I would like to see that application where you can
measure ANY difference between these:

  db.Execute "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES (
  #" & Date & "#, " & FlagCount & ") "
  ---------------------------
  Dim strSQL As String
  strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES (
  #" & Date & "#, " & FlagCount & ") "
  db.Execute strSQL

as the time for setting a string variable is in the microsecond range.

Use of strSQL is also a nice coding habit which make the code easier
to read. Quite often you can even brake it further:

  strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) "
  strSQL = strSQL & "VALUES (#" & Date & "#, " & FlagCount & ") "

/gustav


From john at winhaven.net  Wed May 14 08:06:34 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 08:06:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956924@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIOEFIEHAA.john@winhaven.net>

Roz,
I'm probably too late for any more input - I work US Central time not GMT
:o)

As per my original comments on db.Execute strSQL
For the most part it just makes for more readable code. By being able to
concatenate strings together in the string variable (as Gustav mentioned) it
is also more flexible. I just consider it more advanced because a more
advanced coder would recognize the issue of having to maintain the code. As
far as speed goes I claim ignorance.

Another comment about the note in the answer key concerning DAO versus ADO.
In light of having SQLServer questions I didn't give much thought as it
would seem to be pertinent to your business but in the case of pure
Access/mdb DAO would be the more efficient method. Just thought you might
want to clarify that for people doing the interviewing.

Maybe someone wants to use the thread as a kicker to get a standard set of
interview questions put together for AccessD? If nothing else it should make
for quite a few lengthy discussions (flame wars) in the coming months :o)

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 3:40 AM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
>
>
> Thanks John
>
> I've thrown this back to the list to discuss your suggestions.
>
> Regarding the running of SQL statements direct versus passing a string
> variable - is there a reason for doing this other than the re-usability of
> the variable? I want to be able to explain why I was looking for a certain
> thing, and so many of these things are just habits I picked up
> from the list
> without ever fully understanding WHY.
>
> An Excel spreadsheet would be more common but I wanted the typos
> - you'd be
> a lot less likely to get typos in a spreadsheet... But you're probly right
> anyway.
>
> Thanks again for the input
>
> Roz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: 13 May 2003 21:15
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
>
>
> Roz,
>
> Pretty good test.
>
> A couple of minor suggestions.
>
> You might change your code in Access programming #2 to: db.Execute "INSERT
> INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES ( #" & Date & "#, " &
> FlagCount & ") " which would show a lack of experience - and then see if
> they change it to
> use:
> ---------------------------
> Dim strSQL As String
> strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES ( #" &
> Date & "#, " & FlagCount & ") " db.Execute strSQL
> ---------------------------
>
> I also thought the converting a Word table exercise would be better as
> converting an Excel spreadsheet exercise - nothing wrong with the
> original -
> I just think an Excel example would be a more common experience.
> JMO though.
>
> John
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 11:02 AM
> > To: 'John Bartow'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
> >
> >
> > Here you are - no peeking at the answers!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> > Sent: 13 May 2003 16:57
> > To: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
> >
> >
> > Hi Roz,
> > I'll give it a drive for you.
> >
> > John B.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 10:00 AM
> > To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
> >
> >
> > I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a
> > position as a systems developer later in the week.
> >
> > Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input
> > from y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience,
> > who will be expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very
> > taxing), some light
> > (but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair amount of Office
> > integration
> > and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2.
> >
> > It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at
> > the moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking
> > than 100% correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees'
> > answers with them at length). If you'd be willing to road test it for
> > me let me know and I'll mail you the word doc.
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Roz
> >
> >
> >
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Wed May 14 08:06:35 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 08:06:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] scheduling
In-Reply-To: <6D8C24685B2A614481AD0BDAB0AC94F995EF@ddi-pdc.DDISolutions.ddisolutions.com.au>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIAEFJEHAA.john@winhaven.net>

Michael,
JFYI as you found, phone lines and network cables should be surge protected
also. The < $100 TripLite UPS's have this covered.

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael
> Maddison
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 1:20 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] scheduling
>
>
> William,
>
> I use surge protectors in my fuse box too...  however...
> About 18 months ago my work pc at home got zapped real good.  A direct
> hit on  the phone connection thingie out the front of my house
> and it wiped out all the phones up and down the street and also my
> modem, motherboard, hdd circuits etc :-(((  Now I leave the PC
> turned on but unplug the modem when storms threaten (rarely).  I managed
> to save my data because I had 2 modems exactly
> the same model, one had my work data on it, the other was sitting in the
> cupboard cos I had replaced it.  I unscrewed the circuit board
> at the bottom and swapped em over.  Still works like a dream :-)
>
> cheers
>
> Michael M
>
>
> ...the better solution is to install real electrical surge protectors at
> your electrical panels rather than the toy suppressors we all have for
> our computers and phones ...most of those sold at computer/office
> outlets can't handle more than a short, mild surge ...for areas like
> south Florida where we get frequent lightning storms you need much more
> ...the ones we have in our main panel and phone distribution block cost
> $300+ but handle over 26MVA surges ...anything but a direct hit
> ...before we installed them we had constant hits on our computers
> despite each having their own suppressors ...after installation, I've
> been able to work through the worst storms ...as long as power stays on,
> I can without worrying ...HTH :)
>
> ...of course if I needed a handy excuse to take off this time of year
> anyway, yours would work :))))
>
> William Hindman
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Wed May 14 08:21:26 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:21:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Textbox formatting question
References: <NEBBIILOPOPJBCLJIJHHMEJJEAAA.michael.broesdorf@web.de>
	<588123430.20030514111408@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001f01c31a1b$b93037d0$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

Michael

...lebans (www.lebans.com) has good code for formatting within the text box
...HTH :)

William Hindman
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From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 5:14 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Textbox formatting question


> Hi Michael
>
> > is it possible to format portions the values display in a textbox on a
form
> > in bold formatting?
>
> > The value always is an 8-character string. The 3rd and 4th character
should
> > be displayed bold, but I don't want to split up the field.
>
> > Something like HTML would do with 12<b>34</b>5678
>
> If it is for display only, I would split up the field and choose a
> font with equal width of every digit like MS Sans Serif.
>
> /gustav
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From hsimpson88 at hotmail.com  Wed May 14 09:30:04 2003
From: hsimpson88 at hotmail.com (Henry Simpson)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 08:30:04 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...
Message-ID: <Sea2-F10xsFBUx3zvPh000313b1@hotmail.com>

Curious that in Access 97, and I'll assume subsequent versions as well, a 
yes/no field stores 2 bytes for each entry.  Using a numeric value like a 
byte requires half the storage and gives you 8 states that equate to 8 two 
state fields or 4 four state fields or whatever other combination of 8 bits 
you devise, plus null.  I've never understood why the yes/no field requires 
two bytes and use bytes for boolean fields for the increased flexibility.  
Form logic doesn't seem to require any change if you simply use one byte 
field for each field requiring a boolean display.

Hen


>From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com>, accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...
>Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:12:46 +1000
>
>On 13 May 2003 at 19:42, Drew Wutka wrote:
> >
> > So I hypothesized that by setting a Yes/No field, you had either 0 or
> > -1 (maybe 1, I don't remember), but since a Yes/No field only has two
> > possible values, there was nothing for null, so each field is
> > automatically populated with 0 or -1.  By switching that field to a
> > number field, it tried to 'convert' the data in those fields, which it
> > did successfully to 0.
> >
> > So to prove this, I went into design for that table, changed my 'null
> > filled' number field to Yes/No, hit save, changed it back to number,
> > and hit save again.  Whalla, went into datasheet view, and no I had
> > all zero's in my number field.
> >
> > Pretty interesting eh?  (Or do I just need some sleep?)
> >
>
>A Yes/No field can only have  two values Yes or No, not 3 values
>(Yes, No, Null/Unknown)
>
>That's why you get the annoying behaviour of multiple bound Yes/No
>fields on a form (assuming your form is bound <g>).
>
>Set the field Required Property to "NO" and the default value to
>"NULL"  and on your form, set the Checkboxes to TripleState.
>
>When you go to a New record, the check boxes are grey (Null), but as
>soon as you start to enter any data, they ALL become False (ie
>unticked). When you try to cycle through the values of one of
>checkbox with the space bar or mouse, you get an error when you try
>to set it to Null ("The value you enterd isn't valid for this field")
>
>The only way to have a TripleState field with a checkbox is by making
>the field type numeric :-(
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From GarciaD at kentri.org  Wed May 14 09:32:42 2003
From: GarciaD at kentri.org (Dwylene Garcia)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:32:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design... (Out
	of Office)
Message-ID: <sec21b5d.004@marble.kenthospital.org>

I will be out of the office until Monday, May 19, 2003.  

Have a great weekend!

Dwylene 

From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May 14 10:23:54 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 08:23:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F53@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Is the additional byte for the sign?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Henry Simpson [mailto:hsimpson88 at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 6:30 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...


Curious that in Access 97, and I'll assume subsequent versions as well,
a 
yes/no field stores 2 bytes for each entry.  Using a numeric value like
a 
byte requires half the storage and gives you 8 states that equate to 8
two 
state fields or 4 four state fields or whatever other combination of 8
bits 
you devise, plus null.  I've never understood why the yes/no field
requires 
two bytes and use bytes for boolean fields for the increased
flexibility.  
Form logic doesn't seem to require any change if you simply use one byte

field for each field requiring a boolean display.

Hen


>From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com>, accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...
>Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:12:46 +1000
>
>On 13 May 2003 at 19:42, Drew Wutka wrote:
> >
> > So I hypothesized that by setting a Yes/No field, you had either 0 
> > or -1 (maybe 1, I don't remember), but since a Yes/No field only has

> > two possible values, there was nothing for null, so each field is 
> > automatically populated with 0 or -1.  By switching that field to a 
> > number field, it tried to 'convert' the data in those fields, which 
> > it did successfully to 0.
> >
> > So to prove this, I went into design for that table, changed my 
> > 'null filled' number field to Yes/No, hit save, changed it back to 
> > number, and hit save again.  Whalla, went into datasheet view, and 
> > no I had all zero's in my number field.
> >
> > Pretty interesting eh?  (Or do I just need some sleep?)
> >
>
>A Yes/No field can only have  two values Yes or No, not 3 values (Yes, 
>No, Null/Unknown)
>
>That's why you get the annoying behaviour of multiple bound Yes/No 
>fields on a form (assuming your form is bound <g>).
>
>Set the field Required Property to "NO" and the default value to "NULL"

>and on your form, set the Checkboxes to TripleState.
>
>When you go to a New record, the check boxes are grey (Null), but as 
>soon as you start to enter any data, they ALL become False (ie 
>unticked). When you try to cycle through the values of one of checkbox 
>with the space bar or mouse, you get an error when you try to set it to

>Null ("The value you enterd isn't valid for this field")
>
>The only way to have a TripleState field with a checkbox is by making 
>the field type numeric :-(
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May 14 10:29:08 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 08:29:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F54@infoserver01.infostat.local>

That's assuming that the date is being inserted is in US format already,
as SQL requires.  If you format it, it may no longer be in US format.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 2:30 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


> You might change your code in Access programming #2 to: db.Execute 
> "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES ( #" & Date 
> & "#, " & FlagCount & ") " which would show a lack of experience - and

> then see if they change it to
> use:
> ---------------------------
> Dim strSQL As String
> strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES ( 
> #" & Date & "#, " & FlagCount & ") " db.Execute strSQL
BTW, both are incorrect - instead of Date you should have used:

Format(Date, "MM\/DD\/YYYY")

or
Format(Date, "YYYY\/MM\/DD")

even this

Format(Date, "DD\/MM\/YYYY")
should work corectly if day number is greater than 12...

Or was it a kind of trap-test?

Shamil

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 1:24 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


> All those to whom I've sent the test today please note: it is a work 
> in progress and the test questions document does NOT currently line up
exactly
> with the Q & A document!!
>
> I have to have this signed off in an hour so I won't be sending any 
> more copies out until it is finished - that way you'll get Q's & As 
> that make sense. Of course any feedback you have will still be 
> interesting even
though
> I won't be able to make any further changes to the test.
>
> Roz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
> Sent: 14 May 2003 09:40
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
>
>
> Thanks John
>
> I've thrown this back to the list to discuss your suggestions.
>
> Regarding the running of SQL statements direct versus passing a string

> variable - is there a reason for doing this other than the 
> re-usability of the variable? I want to be able to explain why I was 
> looking for a certain thing, and so many of these things are just 
> habits I picked up from the
list
> without ever fully understanding WHY.
>
> An Excel spreadsheet would be more common but I wanted the typos - 
> you'd
be
> a lot less likely to get typos in a spreadsheet... But you're probly 
> right anyway.
>
> Thanks again for the input
>
> Roz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: 13 May 2003 21:15
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
>
>
> Roz,
>
> Pretty good test.
>
> A couple of minor suggestions.
>
> You might change your code in Access programming #2 to: db.Execute 
> "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES ( #" & Date 
> & "#, " & FlagCount & ") " which would show a lack of experience - and

> then see if they change it to
> use:
> ---------------------------
> Dim strSQL As String
> strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES ( 
> #" & Date & "#, " & FlagCount & ") " db.Execute strSQL
> ---------------------------
>
> I also thought the converting a Word table exercise would be better as

> converting an Excel spreadsheet exercise - nothing wrong with the
original -
> I just think an Excel example would be a more common experience. JMO
though.
>
> John
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 11:02 AM
> > To: 'John Bartow'
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
> >
> >
> > Here you are - no peeking at the answers!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> > Sent: 13 May 2003 16:57
> > To: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
> >
> >
> > Hi Roz,
> > I'll give it a drive for you.
> >
> > John B.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 10:00 AM
> > To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
> >
> >
> > I've put together a wee test to give people I'm interviewing for a 
> > position as a systems developer later in the week.
> >
> > Not having done this before, I'd be interested in getting some input

> > from y'all. This is pitched at people with about 5 years experience,

> > who will be expected to do a lot of work in Access (but nothing very

> > taxing), some light (but important) SQL Server dev & admin, a fair 
> > amount of Office integration
> > and ideally will know enough VB to show me a thing or 2.
> >
> > It should take about half an hour (I think it's probably too long at

> > the moment). I'm more interested in intelligent & practical thinking

> > than 100% correct answers (I'll be going through the interviewees' 
> > answers with them at length). If you'd be willing to road test it 
> > for me let me know and I'll mail you the word doc.
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Roz
> >
> >
> >
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May 14 10:30:16 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 08:30:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Textbox formatting question
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F55@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Only if you use a RichTextFormat control, which is not a native Access
control.
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Michael Brosdorf [mailto:michael.broesdorf at web.de] 
	Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 1:02 AM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: [AccessD] Textbox formatting question
	
	
	Dear group,
	 
	is it possible to format portions the values display in a
textbox on a form in bold formatting?
	 
	The value always is an 8-character string. The 3rd and 4th
character should be displayed bold, but I don't want to split up the
field.
	 
	Something like HTML would do with 12<b>34</b>5678
	 
	 
	Best regards,
	 
	 
	Michael

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From Philippe.Pons19 at wanadoo.fr  Wed May 14 19:45:16 2003
From: Philippe.Pons19 at wanadoo.fr (Philippe Pons)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 17:45:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Wizards will not start in Access2002, W2KPro
Message-ID: <067d01c31a7b$41640780$f10f3351@linceo>

Dear all,

I have this problem when I try to use any wizard from the form design toolbox.
I just un- and reinstall Access as well as the Shared Office Components and the Office Tools, but no fix.
Did anybody experienced this problem and found a solution?
Thank's in advance
Philippe.
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed May 14 10:49:23 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 17:49:23 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F53@infoserver01.infostat.local>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F53@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <11531838381.20030514174923@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

Would that be for Not Yes and Not No?

(sorry)

/gustav


> Is the additional byte for the sign?

> Charlotte Foust

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Henry Simpson [mailto:hsimpson88 at hotmail.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 6:30 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...


> Curious that in Access 97, and I'll assume subsequent versions as well,
> a yes/no field stores 2 bytes for each entry.  Using a numeric value
> like a byte requires half the storage and gives you 8 states that
> equate to 8 two state fields or 4 four state fields or whatever
> other combination of 8 bits you devise, plus null.  I've never
> understood why the yes/no field requires two bytes and use bytes for
> boolean fields for the increased flexibility.
> Form logic doesn't seem to require any change if you simply use one byte
> field for each field requiring a boolean display.


From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed May 14 10:53:45 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 17:53:45 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F54@infoserver01.infostat.local>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F54@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <9432099767.20030514175345@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

Oops, Charlotte - totally confused after a hard night's sleep?

/gustav


> That's assuming that the date is being inserted is in US format already,
> as SQL requires.  If you format it, it may no longer be in US format.

> Charlotte Foust

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 2:30 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Technical test for developers

>> You might change your code in Access programming #2 to: db.Execute 
>> "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES ( #" & Date 
>> & "#, " & FlagCount & ") " which would show a lack of experience - and

>> then see if they change it to
>> use:
>> ---------------------------
>> Dim strSQL As String
>> strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES ( 
>> #" & Date & "#, " & FlagCount & ") " db.Execute strSQL

> BTW, both are incorrect - instead of Date you should have used:

> Format(Date, "MM\/DD\/YYYY")

> or
> Format(Date, "YYYY\/MM\/DD")

> even this

> Format(Date, "DD\/MM\/YYYY")
> should work corectly if day number is greater than 12...

> Or was it a kind of trap-test?

> Shamil


From garykjos at hotmail.com  Wed May 14 11:02:52 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:02:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Wizards will not start in Access2002, W2KPro
Message-ID: <BAY2-F37BsQwY6YHkid0000055c@hotmail.com>

There is an icon for turning the wizards on and off on the toolbar. Is it 
Highlighted? It looks like a magician's wand - a diagonal stick with some 
dots below it. It's the second one over on the right hand side in between 
the pointer arrow and the Label control icons on my A2K toolbax toolbar. If 
that isn't clicked the wizards don't run.



Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: "Philippe Pons" <Philippe.Pons19 at wanadoo.fr>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] Wizards will not start in Access2002, W2KPro
>Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 17:45:16 -0700
>
>Dear all,
>
>I have this problem when I try to use any wizard from the form design 
>toolbox.
>I just un- and reinstall Access as well as the Shared Office Components and 
>the Office Tools, but no fix.
>Did anybody experienced this problem and found a solution?
>Thank's in advance
>Philippe.
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May 14 11:07:35 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:07:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F57@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Gustav, 

I can't help it if what I meant and what I said don't coincide.  Didn't
you see the disclaimer at the bottom of my post?  Oh, yeah, that's
right.  I forgot about the disclaimer.   Hmmn. <VBG>  

What I meant was that if you format it, you need to be sure the format
corresponds to a US Date format, which is mm/dd/yyyy.  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 7:54 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


Hi Charlotte

Oops, Charlotte - totally confused after a hard night's sleep?

/gustav


> That's assuming that the date is being inserted is in US format 
> already, as SQL requires.  If you format it, it may no longer be in US

> format.

> Charlotte Foust

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 2:30 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Technical test for developers

>> You might change your code in Access programming #2 to: db.Execute
>> "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES ( #" & Date

>> & "#, " & FlagCount & ") " which would show a lack of experience -
and

>> then see if they change it to
>> use:
>> ---------------------------
>> Dim strSQL As String
>> strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES (
>> #" & Date & "#, " & FlagCount & ") " db.Execute strSQL

> BTW, both are incorrect - instead of Date you should have used:

> Format(Date, "MM\/DD\/YYYY")

> or
> Format(Date, "YYYY\/MM\/DD")

> even this

> Format(Date, "DD\/MM\/YYYY")
> should work corectly if day number is greater than 12...

> Or was it a kind of trap-test?

> Shamil

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May 14 11:08:44 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:08:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F58@infoserver01.infostat.local>

:oP

That would be -1 as opposed to 1.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 7:49 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...


Hi Charlotte

Would that be for Not Yes and Not No?

(sorry)

/gustav


> Is the additional byte for the sign?

> Charlotte Foust

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Henry Simpson [mailto:hsimpson88 at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 6:30 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...


> Curious that in Access 97, and I'll assume subsequent versions as
well,
> a yes/no field stores 2 bytes for each entry.  Using a numeric value
> like a byte requires half the storage and gives you 8 states that
> equate to 8 two state fields or 4 four state fields or whatever
> other combination of 8 bits you devise, plus null.  I've never
> understood why the yes/no field requires two bytes and use bytes for
> boolean fields for the increased flexibility.
> Form logic doesn't seem to require any change if you simply use one
byte
> field for each field requiring a boolean display.

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May 14 11:10:11 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:10:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Wizards will not start in Access2002, W2KPro
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F59@infoserver01.infostat.local>

If you have the wizards installed (you did select them, right?) and
turned on, then the only thing I can suggest is a detect and repair from
the Access help menu.
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Philippe Pons [mailto:Philippe.Pons19 at wanadoo.fr] 
	Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 4:45 PM
	To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: [AccessD] Wizards will not start in Access2002, W2KPro
	
	
	Dear all,
	 
	I have this problem when I try to use any wizard from the form
design toolbox.
	I just un- and reinstall Access as well as the Shared Office
Components and the Office Tools, but no fix.
	Did anybody experienced this problem and found a solution?
	Thank's in advance
	Philippe.

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From Philippe.Pons19 at wanadoo.fr  Wed May 14 20:17:56 2003
From: Philippe.Pons19 at wanadoo.fr (Philippe Pons)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 18:17:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Wizards will not start in Access2002, W2KPro
References: <BAY2-F37BsQwY6YHkid0000055c@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <068b01c31a7f$d143b4f0$f10f3351@linceo>

Gary,

Yes this icon is turned on.
Another occurence is when I try to import Outlook contacts into Access,
using the File/ Get External Data.
Normally when you click Outlook In the Files Of Type box, you will receive a
prompt for an Outlook Profile.
This wizard does not start either.
Therefore all the wizards are off, not only the ones from the toolbox.

This problem arises after having upgraded W2KPro to sp3 in order to instal
visual studio.net 2003.

Any other idea?

TIA,

Philippe.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary Kjos" <garykjos at hotmail.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Wizards will not start in Access2002, W2KPro


> There is an icon for turning the wizards on and off on the toolbar. Is it
> Highlighted? It looks like a magician's wand - a diagonal stick with some
> dots below it. It's the second one over on the right hand side in between
> the pointer arrow and the Label control icons on my A2K toolbax toolbar.
If
> that isn't clicked the wizards don't run.
>
>
>
> Gary Kjos
> garykjos at hotmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Philippe Pons" <Philippe.Pons19 at wanadoo.fr>
> >Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Subject: [AccessD] Wizards will not start in Access2002, W2KPro
> >Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 17:45:16 -0700
> >
> >Dear all,
> >
> >I have this problem when I try to use any wizard from the form design
> >toolbox.
> >I just un- and reinstall Access as well as the Shared Office Components
and
> >the Office Tools, but no fix.
> >Did anybody experienced this problem and found a solution?
> >Thank's in advance
> >Philippe.
> >_______________________________________________
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From delliker at hotmail.com  Wed May 14 11:33:18 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 12:33:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Wizards will not start in Access2002, W2KPro
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From Philippe.Pons19 at wanadoo.fr  Wed May 14 20:35:44 2003
From: Philippe.Pons19 at wanadoo.fr (Philippe Pons)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 18:35:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Wizards will not start in Access2002, W2KPro
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F59@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <06a701c31a82$5377d9e0$f10f3351@linceo>

MessageYes, wizards are installed.
Detect and Repair did nothing!

In fact wizards were running ok, until I upgraded W2KPro to sp3 and installed VS.NET 2003.
I guess the cause lies somewhere in this new installation.

Thank's however
Philippe.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Charlotte Foust 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 9:10 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Wizards will not start in Access2002, W2KPro


  If you have the wizards installed (you did select them, right?) and turned on, then the only thing I can suggest is a detect and repair from the Access help menu.

  Charlotte Foust
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Philippe Pons [mailto:Philippe.Pons19 at wanadoo.fr] 
    Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 4:45 PM
    To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
    Subject: [AccessD] Wizards will not start in Access2002, W2KPro


    Dear all,

    I have this problem when I try to use any wizard from the form design toolbox.
    I just un- and reinstall Access as well as the Shared Office Components and the Office Tools, but no fix.
    Did anybody experienced this problem and found a solution?
    Thank's in advance
    Philippe.


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed May 14 11:43:41 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 18:43:41 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F57@infoserver01.infostat.local>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F57@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <2835095835.20030514184341@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

> I can't help it if what I meant and what I said don't coincide.  Didn't
> you see the disclaimer at the bottom of my post?  Oh, yeah, that's
> right.  I forgot about the disclaimer.   Hmmn. <VBG>  

> What I meant was that if you format it, you need to be sure the format
> corresponds to a US Date format, which is mm/dd/yyyy.

Yes, Shamil, Charlotte is right:

  Format(Date, "MM\/DD\/YYYY")

is the one to use. It will never fail.

/gustav


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 7:54 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


> Hi Charlotte

> Oops, Charlotte - totally confused after a hard night's sleep?

> /gustav


>> That's assuming that the date is being inserted is in US format 
>> already, as SQL requires.  If you format it, it may no longer be in US
>> format.

>> Charlotte Foust

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru]
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 2:30 AM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Technical test for developers

>>> You might change your code in Access programming #2 to: db.Execute
>>> "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES ( #" & Date

>>> & "#, " & FlagCount & ") " which would show a lack of experience -
>>> and

>>> then see if they change it to
>>> use:
>>> ---------------------------
>>> Dim strSQL As String
>>> strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES (
>>> #" & Date & "#, " & FlagCount & ") " db.Execute strSQL

>> BTW, both are incorrect - instead of Date you should have used:

>> Format(Date, "MM\/DD\/YYYY")

>> or
>> Format(Date, "YYYY\/MM\/DD")

>> even this

>> Format(Date, "DD\/MM\/YYYY")
>> should work corectly if day number is greater than 12...

>> Or was it a kind of trap-test?

>> Shamil


From delliker at hotmail.com  Wed May 14 12:26:29 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:26:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Replication Manager
Message-ID: <Law12-F124NdTyj6iZk00002385@hotmail.com>

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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Wed May 14 12:32:49 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 12:32:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Help with Help
Message-ID: <BAY2-F36DIfWb4SaFMw0000c331@hotmail.com>

I have two computers here at the office. One has Access 97 and the other 
Access 2000. What do I need to do in order to use the Access 97 help files 
on the Access 2000 computer?

I've copied what I thought were the relevent files to the system but when i 
open what appeared to be the main help file ACMAIN80.HLP it cannot find a 
function such as dateadd.

Do I need to register something or do something other than just copy the 
files over? I don't need to get to them from within Access, I can just add a 
shortcut to fire them up.

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com

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From hsimpson88 at hotmail.com  Wed May 14 12:49:29 2003
From: hsimpson88 at hotmail.com (Henry Simpson)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:49:29 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...
Message-ID: <Sea2-F19SnEGUhMgrkg00032d75@hotmail.com>

Implying that a boolean field is a signed byte, and that could be why there 
are two bytes.  Form and code logic, bound or otherwise only require zero or 
not zero.  If I'm not mistaken, .Net is 0 and 1, or at least there were 
rumblings that this was going to be the case earlier in the .Net design 
process.  Maybe someone who knows can chime in.

I won't second guess Microsoft on why they went to a two byte field, I 
simply use a byte and occasionally, bits of the byte.  I see no reason for 
the datatype except that it displays a checkbox in the table, and my users 
don't see tables.  If Microsoft uses a signed byte for backward 
compatibility with VB and VBA, they could have used the first bit and made 
the numeric range -128 to 127 and kept it at a byte.  Signed and unsigned 
typically cover the same range of numbers execpt it starts at negative 1/2 
the value of the unsigned numeric.  Whatever their reasons, they seem 
illogical and inconsistent.

Hen


>From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...
>Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:08:44 -0700
>
>:oP
>
>That would be -1 as opposed to 1.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
>Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 7:49 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...
>
>
>Hi Charlotte
>
>Would that be for Not Yes and Not No?
>
>(sorry)
>
>/gustav
>
>
> > Is the additional byte for the sign?
>
> > Charlotte Foust
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Henry Simpson [mailto:hsimpson88 at hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 6:30 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...
>
>
> > Curious that in Access 97, and I'll assume subsequent versions as
>well,
> > a yes/no field stores 2 bytes for each entry.  Using a numeric value
> > like a byte requires half the storage and gives you 8 states that
> > equate to 8 two state fields or 4 four state fields or whatever
> > other combination of 8 bits you devise, plus null.  I've never
> > understood why the yes/no field requires two bytes and use bytes for
> > boolean fields for the increased flexibility.
> > Form logic doesn't seem to require any change if you simply use one
>byte
> > field for each field requiring a boolean display.

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May 14 12:54:37 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:54:37 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F5B@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Illogical?  Inconsistent??  You *must* be thinking of someone besides
Microsoft!!  <VBG>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Henry Simpson [mailto:hsimpson88 at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 9:49 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...


Implying that a boolean field is a signed byte, and that could be why
there 
are two bytes.  Form and code logic, bound or otherwise only require
zero or 
not zero.  If I'm not mistaken, .Net is 0 and 1, or at least there were 
rumblings that this was going to be the case earlier in the .Net design 
process.  Maybe someone who knows can chime in.

I won't second guess Microsoft on why they went to a two byte field, I 
simply use a byte and occasionally, bits of the byte.  I see no reason
for 
the datatype except that it displays a checkbox in the table, and my
users 
don't see tables.  If Microsoft uses a signed byte for backward 
compatibility with VB and VBA, they could have used the first bit and
made 
the numeric range -128 to 127 and kept it at a byte.  Signed and
unsigned 
typically cover the same range of numbers execpt it starts at negative
1/2 
the value of the unsigned numeric.  Whatever their reasons, they seem 
illogical and inconsistent.

Hen


>From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...
>Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:08:44 -0700
>
>:oP
>
>That would be -1 as opposed to 1.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
>Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 7:49 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...
>
>
>Hi Charlotte
>
>Would that be for Not Yes and Not No?
>
>(sorry)
>
>/gustav
>
>
> > Is the additional byte for the sign?
>
> > Charlotte Foust
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Henry Simpson [mailto:hsimpson88 at hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 6:30 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...
>
>
> > Curious that in Access 97, and I'll assume subsequent versions as
>well,
> > a yes/no field stores 2 bytes for each entry.  Using a numeric value

> > like a byte requires half the storage and gives you 8 states that 
> > equate to 8 two state fields or 4 four state fields or whatever 
> > other combination of 8 bits you devise, plus null.  I've never 
> > understood why the yes/no field requires two bytes and use bytes for

> > boolean fields for the increased flexibility. Form logic doesn't 
> > seem to require any change if you simply use one
>byte
> > field for each field requiring a boolean display.

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May 14 12:57:29 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:57:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Wizards will not start in Access2002, W2KPro
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F5C@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I ran AXP on a W2kPro SP3 machine before I got the current WinXP box and
had no problems with wizards.  I would suspect the VS.Net beta as the
culprit.  That's why they tell you never to install betas on production
machines.
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Philippe Pons [mailto:Philippe.Pons19 at wanadoo.fr] 
	Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 5:36 PM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: Re: [AccessD] Wizards will not start in Access2002,
W2KPro
	
	
	Yes, wizards are installed.
	Detect and Repair did nothing!
	 
	In fact wizards were running ok, until I upgraded W2KPro to sp3
and installed VS.NET 2003.
	I guess the cause lies somewhere in this new installation.
	 
	Thank's however
	Philippe.

		----- Original Message ----- 
		From: Charlotte Foust
<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com>  
		To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
		Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 9:10 AM
		Subject: RE: [AccessD] Wizards will not start in
Access2002, W2KPro

		If you have the wizards installed (you did select them,
right?) and turned on, then the only thing I can suggest is a detect and
repair from the Access help menu.
		 
		Charlotte Foust

			-----Original Message-----
			From: Philippe Pons
[mailto:Philippe.Pons19 at wanadoo.fr] 
			Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 4:45 PM
			To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
			Subject: [AccessD] Wizards will not start in
Access2002, W2KPro
			
			
			Dear all,
			 
			I have this problem when I try to use any wizard
from the form design toolbox.
			I just un- and reinstall Access as well as the
Shared Office Components and the Office Tools, but no fix.
			Did anybody experienced this problem and found a
solution?
			Thank's in advance
			Philippe.

		
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May 14 12:58:10 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:58:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Wizards will not start in Access2002, W2KPro
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F5D@infoserver01.infostat.local>

ROFL
So *that's* what it's for!!
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
	Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 8:33 AM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: Re: [AccessD] Wizards will not start in Access2002,
W2KPro
	
	

	oh...I thought that was the 'magically build my App'
button....I've been clicking that and going home....
	_D
	

	"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for
them." 
	
	>From: "Gary Kjos" 
	>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
	>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
	>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Wizards will not start in Access2002,
W2KPro 
	>Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:02:52 -0500 
	> 
	>There is an icon for turning the wizards on and off on the
toolbar. 
	>Is it Highlighted? It looks like a magician's wand - a diagonal

	>stick with some dots below it. It's the second one over on the
right 
	>hand side in between the pointer arrow and the Label control
icons 
	>on my A2K toolbax toolbar. If that isn't clicked the wizards
don't 
	>run. 
	> 
	> 
	> 
	>Gary Kjos 
	>garykjos at hotmail.com 
	> 
	> 
	> 
	> 
	> 
	>>From: "Philippe Pons" 
	>>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
	>>To: 
	>>Subject: [AccessD] Wizards will not start in Access2002,
W2KPro 
	>>Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 17:45:16 -0700 
	>> 
	>>Dear all, 
	>> 
	>>I have this problem when I try to use any wizard from the form

	>>design toolbox. 
	>>I just un- and reinstall Access as well as the Shared Office 
	>>Components and the Office Tools, but no fix. 
	>>Did anybody experienced this problem and found a solution? 
	>>Thank's in advance 
	>>Philippe. 
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From jim.hale at fleetpride.com  Wed May 14 13:03:48 2003
From: jim.hale at fleetpride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:03:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...
Message-ID: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF87305F61331@corp-es00>

You sound like my wife. :-)
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 10:49 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...


Hi Charlotte

Would that be for Not Yes and Not No?

(sorry)

/gustav


> Is the additional byte for the sign?

> Charlotte Foust

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Henry Simpson [mailto:hsimpson88 at hotmail.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 6:30 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...


> Curious that in Access 97, and I'll assume subsequent versions as well,
> a yes/no field stores 2 bytes for each entry.  Using a numeric value
> like a byte requires half the storage and gives you 8 states that
> equate to 8 two state fields or 4 four state fields or whatever
> other combination of 8 bits you devise, plus null.  I've never
> understood why the yes/no field requires two bytes and use bytes for
> boolean fields for the increased flexibility.
> Form logic doesn't seem to require any change if you simply use one byte
> field for each field requiring a boolean display.

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From Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK  Wed May 14 13:13:13 2003
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK (Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 19:13:13 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT Arthur
In-Reply-To: <Sea2-F19SnEGUhMgrkg00032d75@hotmail.com>
References: <Sea2-F19SnEGUhMgrkg00032d75@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <1052935993.3ec287390f53c@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

Apologies folks


Arthur 


Can you let me know when your online tonight.


Martin

From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed May 14 13:25:43 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:25:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Help with Help
References: <BAY2-F36DIfWb4SaFMw0000c331@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3EC28A27.8040004@shaw.ca>

I think you also need ACVBA80.hlp and VEENLR.hlp file in same directory

Gary Kjos wrote:

> I have two computers here at the office. One has Access 97 and the 
> other Access 2000. What do I need to do in order to use the Access 97 
> help files on the Access 2000 computer?
>
> I've copied what I thought were the relevent files to the system but 
> when i open what appeared to be the main help file ACMAIN80.HLP it 
> cannot find a function such as dateadd.
>
> Do I need to register something or do something other than just copy 
> the files over? I don't need to get to them from within Access, I can 
> just add a shortcut to fire them up.
>
> Gary Kjos
> garykjos at hotmail.com
>
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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Wed May 14 13:36:28 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:36:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Help with Help (Solved)
Message-ID: <BAY2-F138sShdbRMy6w000194bf@hotmail.com>

Never mind. I got it. Seems I didn't have ALL the files I needed.

Found the clue here;
http://www.microsoft.com/officedev/tips/VBAHlp.htm

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: "Gary Kjos" <garykjos at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Help with Help
>Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 12:32:49 -0500
>
>I have two computers here at the office. One has Access 97 and the other 
>Access 2000. What do I need to do in order to use the Access 97 help files 
>on the Access 2000 computer?
>
>I've copied what I thought were the relevent files to the system but when i 
>open what appeared to be the main help file ACMAIN80.HLP it cannot find a 
>function such as dateadd.
>
>Do I need to register something or do something other than just copy the 
>files over? I don't need to get to them from within Access, I can just add 
>a shortcut to fire them up.
>
>Gary Kjos
>garykjos at hotmail.com
>
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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Wed May 14 13:38:54 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:38:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Help with Help
Message-ID: <BAY2-F27Ds9aAOPpBpc00000e26@hotmail.com>

Thanks Marty.  The VEENLR.hlp  was the one I was missing - since it was in a 
different folder on the other system - Common Shared something or other.

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





>From: MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with Help
>Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:25:43 -0700
>
>I think you also need ACVBA80.hlp and VEENLR.hlp file in same directory
>
>Gary Kjos wrote:
>
>>I have two computers here at the office. One has Access 97 and the other 
>>Access 2000. What do I need to do in order to use the Access 97 help files 
>>on the Access 2000 computer?
>>
>>I've copied what I thought were the relevent files to the system but when 
>>i open what appeared to be the main help file ACMAIN80.HLP it cannot find 
>>a function such as dateadd.
>>
>>Do I need to register something or do something other than just copy the 
>>files over? I don't need to get to them from within Access, I can just add 
>>a shortcut to fire them up.
>>
>>Gary Kjos
>>garykjos at hotmail.com
>>
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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Wed May 14 13:47:36 2003
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 22:47:36 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
References: 	<E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F57@infoserver01.infostat.local>
	<2835095835.20030514184341@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000f01c31a49$4daf1340$b501010a@DAISY.local>

>   Format(Date, "MM\/DD\/YYYY")
> is the one to use. It will never fail.
Gustav,

I think that

Format(Date, "YYYY\/MM\/DD")

should never fail too.

As for this: Format(Date, "DD\/MM\/YYYY") - as I wrote it will work
correctly if day number is greater than 12... - of course it CANNOT be
recommended for use...

And I think that Format(Date, "YYYY\/MM\/DD") is easier to interpret for
Europeans when they see the result of such formatting in SQL expressions...

Shamil

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


> Hi Charlotte
>
> > I can't help it if what I meant and what I said don't coincide.  Didn't
> > you see the disclaimer at the bottom of my post?  Oh, yeah, that's
> > right.  I forgot about the disclaimer.   Hmmn. <VBG>
>
> > What I meant was that if you format it, you need to be sure the format
> > corresponds to a US Date format, which is mm/dd/yyyy.
>
> Yes, Shamil, Charlotte is right:
>
>   Format(Date, "MM\/DD\/YYYY")
>
> is the one to use. It will never fail.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 7:54 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
>
>
> > Hi Charlotte
>
> > Oops, Charlotte - totally confused after a hard night's sleep?
>
> > /gustav
>
>
> >> That's assuming that the date is being inserted is in US format
> >> already, as SQL requires.  If you format it, it may no longer be in US
> >> format.
>
> >> Charlotte Foust
>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 2:30 AM
> >> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
>
> >>> You might change your code in Access programming #2 to: db.Execute
> >>> "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES ( #" & Date
>
> >>> & "#, " & FlagCount & ") " which would show a lack of experience -
> >>> and
>
> >>> then see if they change it to
> >>> use:
> >>> ---------------------------
> >>> Dim strSQL As String
> >>> strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES (
> >>> #" & Date & "#, " & FlagCount & ") " db.Execute strSQL
>
> >> BTW, both are incorrect - instead of Date you should have used:
>
> >> Format(Date, "MM\/DD\/YYYY")
>
> >> or
> >> Format(Date, "YYYY\/MM\/DD")
>
> >> even this
>
> >> Format(Date, "DD\/MM\/YYYY")
> >> should work corectly if day number is greater than 12...
>
> >> Or was it a kind of trap-test?
>
> >> Shamil
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed May 14 14:03:53 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 21:03:53 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Apple WebObjects
Message-ID: <11743508261.20030514210353@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Just noticed this which seems to have been around for a while:

  http://www.apple.com/webobjects/

Anyone familiar with this?

Unfortunately the demo version is for Mac only ...

/gustav


From Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK  Wed May 14 13:51:03 2003
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK (Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 19:51:03 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit
In-Reply-To: <416400913.20030514133206@cactus.dk>
References: <14133105290979013763d0567@global.net.pg>
	<416400913.20030514133206@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <1052938263.3ec290174318f@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

Could someone give me a quick run down of the features available with the 
Office 2002 Developers kit.

Nothing in detail mainly a list of what it can do with specific reference to 
Access.


Thanks

Martin

From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed May 14 14:06:55 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 21:06:55 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
In-Reply-To: <000f01c31a49$4daf1340$b501010a@DAISY.local>
References:  <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F57@infoserver01.infostat.local>
 <2835095835.20030514184341@cactus.dk>
 <000f01c31a49$4daf1340$b501010a@DAISY.local>
Message-ID: <13143690223.20030514210655@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil

Yes, you are probably right about YYYY/MM/DD - I just don't have the
nerves to try!

/gustav


>>   Format(Date, "MM\/DD\/YYYY")
>> is the one to use. It will never fail.

> Gustav,

> I think that

> Format(Date, "YYYY\/MM\/DD")

> should never fail too.

> As for this: Format(Date, "DD\/MM\/YYYY") - as I wrote it will work
> correctly if day number is greater than 12... - of course it CANNOT be
> recommended for use...

> And I think that Format(Date, "YYYY\/MM\/DD") is easier to interpret for
> Europeans when they see the result of such formatting in SQL expressions...


From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Wed May 14 14:09:12 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 14:09:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357FE@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Martin,

It gives you the ability to create run-time Access executables and the
license to distribute them.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
[mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK] 
Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 14 13:51
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit

Could someone give me a quick run down of the features available with
the 
Office 2002 Developers kit.

Nothing in detail mainly a list of what it can do with specific
reference to 
Access.


Thanks

Martin

From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed May 14 14:22:27 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 14:22:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Apple WebObjects
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C28@main2.marlow.com>

Quote from that add:

Provides a powerful integrated development environment

Like 'Weak separated nightmare' is going to sell!  Why is that completely
ambiguous statement the top feature?  Arg, I hate marketers!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 2:04 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Apple WebObjects


Hi all

Just noticed this which seems to have been around for a while:

  http://www.apple.com/webobjects/

Anyone familiar with this?

Unfortunately the demo version is for Mac only ...

/gustav

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From mastercafe at ctv.es  Wed May 14 14:28:10 2003
From: mastercafe at ctv.es (MastercafeCTV)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 21:28:10 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Apple WebObjects
In-Reply-To: <11743508261.20030514210353@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <NGBBKBPDGLCOPAJHKICCIEDNEFAA.mastercafe@ctv.es>

Actually you can obtain better solutions on PC for servers, hosts and
similar. Including that Linux is the best solution in internet world (in
security and estability)

Juan

-----Mensaje original-----
De: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]En nombre de Gustav Brock
Enviado el: mi?rcoles, 14 de mayo de 2003 21:04
Para: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Asunto: [AccessD] OT: Apple WebObjects


Hi all

Just noticed this which seems to have been around for a while:

  http://www.apple.com/webobjects/

Anyone familiar with this?

Unfortunately the demo version is for Mac only ...

/gustav

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed May 14 14:35:56 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 21:35:56 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Apple WebObjects
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C28@main2.marlow.com>
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C28@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <4845430675.20030514213556@cactus.dk>

Hi Drew

Ahh, I dropped that and quickly located a very good introduction for
people like us:

  http://www.apple.com/webobjects/getting_started.html

and then

  Retrieve Documentation

where you top center find the link to WebObjects overview:

http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/webobjects/WebObjects_Overview/index.html

/gustav


> Quote from that add:

> Provides a powerful integrated development environment

> Like 'Weak separated nightmare' is going to sell!  Why is that completely
> ambiguous statement the top feature?  Arg, I hate marketers!

> Drew

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 2:04 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Apple WebObjects


> Hi all

> Just noticed this which seems to have been around for a while:

>   http://www.apple.com/webobjects/

> Anyone familiar with this?

> Unfortunately the demo version is for Mac only ...


From MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com  Wed May 14 15:07:00 2003
From: MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com (Mark Boyd)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 16:07:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro
Message-ID: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D7757@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>

I've noticed that Visual Studio.net has been a topic of discussion on
this list recently.

I'm just beginning to dive into it, and am curious if anyone can
recommend a good place to start learning.

Is there a preferred book or website that demonstrates how to create a
simple .net application?  I am looking into asp.net, as I want to start
developing web applications that connect to SQL2K.

Any direction is greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks,

Mark Boyd

Sr. Systems Analyst

McBee Associates, Inc.

 

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May 14 15:13:38 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:13:38 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F60@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Are you talking about 2002 or 2003?  There is Office XP Developer, if
that's what you mean.  I don't see very much that is Access-specific in
it except the Packaging Wizard, which gives you the runtime license. The
Code Librarian for XP isn't Access-specific and doesn't even show up as
an add-in, since it is a stand-alone executable app.  The packaging
wizard also includes the SQL Server Data Engine files (gosh, I wish they
would standardize the name of that thing!)

The "Access productivity tools" are Replication Manager and and VSS,
both of which were included in the 2000 ODE, and VSS isn't remotely
Access-specific.  The Software Developer Kits include the HTML Help SDK
and the Smart Tags SDK are not Access-specific and the Workflow
developer tools only apply if you have installed Exchange Server or if
you installed SQL Server on a server.  They don't work on a stand-alone
machine unless you're running a Server OS, and Workflow Services for SQL
Server requires IIS and Front Page Server Extensions.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
[mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 10:51 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit


Could someone give me a quick run down of the features available with
the 
Office 2002 Developers kit.

Nothing in detail mainly a list of what it can do with specific
reference to 
Access.


Thanks

Martin
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From Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK  Wed May 14 15:08:52 2003
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK (Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 21:08:52 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit
In-Reply-To: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357FE@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
References: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357FE@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <1052942932.3ec2a254b4000@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

Thanks Charles. Is that ALL it does? I havnt used it at all.

Martin


Quoting "Wortz, Charles" <CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>:

> Martin,
> 
> It gives you the ability to create run-time Access executables and the
> license to distribute them.
> 
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
> [mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK] 
> Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 14 13:51
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit
> 
> Could someone give me a quick run down of the features available with
> the 
> Office 2002 Developers kit.
> 
> Nothing in detail mainly a list of what it can do with specific
> reference to 
> Access.
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Martin
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 

From Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK  Wed May 14 15:18:00 2003
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK (Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 21:18:00 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro
In-Reply-To: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D7757@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>
References: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D7757@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>
Message-ID: <1052943480.3ec2a47861903@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

Good book

VB .NET Database Programing by Sybex (I was the technical editor so am biased) 
any of the .net books by Apress (www.apress.com) I would recomment as well.


Martin



Quoting Mark Boyd <MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com>:

> I've noticed that Visual Studio.net has been a topic of discussion on
> this list recently.
> 
> I'm just beginning to dive into it, and am curious if anyone can
> recommend a good place to start learning.
> 
> Is there a preferred book or website that demonstrates how to create a
> simple .net application?  I am looking into asp.net, as I want to
> start
> developing web applications that connect to SQL2K.
> 
> Any direction is greatly appreciated.
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mark Boyd
> 
> Sr. Systems Analyst
> 
> McBee Associates, Inc.
> 
>  
> 
> 

From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Wed May 14 15:25:33 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 15:25:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F357FF@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Martin,

By now you should have received Charlotte's response and seen that
run-time executables are about all in the ODEs that are Access related.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
[mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK] 
Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 14 15:09
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit

Thanks Charles. Is that ALL it does? I havnt used it at all.

Martin


Quoting "Wortz, Charles" <CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>:

> Martin,
> 
> It gives you the ability to create run-time Access executables and the

> license to distribute them.
> 
> Charles Wortz
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK 
> [mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK]
> Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 14 13:51
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit
> 
> Could someone give me a quick run down of the features available with 
> the Office 2002 Developers kit.
> 
> Nothing in detail mainly a list of what it can do with specific 
> reference to Access.
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Martin

From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed May 14 15:33:05 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 15:33:05 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit
In-Reply-To: <1052938263.3ec290174318f@hosea.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <002201c31a58$08d1fe90$de1811d8@DanWaters>

Martin,

You get a license to distribute run-time versions of an access application
without royalties.  

In addition, you get the tools you need to develop an ADP using SQL Server
without having to buy SQL Server.  MSDE 2000 is part of what you get, along
with Enterprise Manager (EM), and I believe other SQL tools as well.  MSDE
is almost identical to SQL Server except that with more than 5 concurrent
users the performance slows down.  You do get the ability to distribute
copies of MSDE 2000 with your front-end to a client with no royalties.
However, I read that you can distribute EM with MSDE, and I've also read
that you can't.  I have read that EM greatly helps manage a SQL backend.

You also get Workflow Designer for SQL Server, and Workflow Designer for
Exchange 2000 Server, and you get Code Librarian.

You also get a copy of Visual SourceSafe. 

You also get MS FrontPage.

AND -- you get the book Microsoft Office XP Developer's Guide!   ;-)

HTH,
Dan Waters



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 12:51 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit


Could someone give me a quick run down of the features available with the
Office 2002 Developers kit.

Nothing in detail mainly a list of what it can do with specific reference to
Access.


Thanks

Martin
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From Philippe.Pons19 at wanadoo.fr  Thu May 15 00:38:49 2003
From: Philippe.Pons19 at wanadoo.fr (Philippe Pons)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 22:38:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro
References: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D7757@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>
Message-ID: <002d01c31aa4$4a9a97f0$2a623151@linceo>

Regarding asp.net, try http://europe.webmatrixhosting.net/ where you can get free hosting on a sql server, as well as a free tool to develop web sites with asp.net, plus forums, plus a free web server for testing, etc... worth a look!
Philippe.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mark Boyd 
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 1:07 PM
  Subject: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro


  I've noticed that Visual Studio.net has been a topic of discussion on this list recently.

  I'm just beginning to dive into it, and am curious if anyone can recommend a good place to start learning.

  Is there a preferred book or website that demonstrates how to create a simple .net application?  I am looking into asp.net, as I want to start developing web applications that connect to SQL2K.

  Any direction is greatly appreciated.



  Thanks,

  Mark Boyd

  Sr. Systems Analyst

  McBee Associates, Inc.





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From Philippe.Pons19 at wanadoo.fr  Thu May 15 00:44:24 2003
From: Philippe.Pons19 at wanadoo.fr (Philippe Pons)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 22:44:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F60@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <003601c31aa5$10b8fa30$2a623151@linceo>

Also the Enterprise Manager, to interface with sql server(quite powerfull)
and Visual Source Safe to allow and manage several developers on the same
project.
(not Access specific, i know)
Philippe

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 1:13 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit


> Are you talking about 2002 or 2003?  There is Office XP Developer, if
> that's what you mean.  I don't see very much that is Access-specific in
> it except the Packaging Wizard, which gives you the runtime license. The
> Code Librarian for XP isn't Access-specific and doesn't even show up as
> an add-in, since it is a stand-alone executable app.  The packaging
> wizard also includes the SQL Server Data Engine files (gosh, I wish they
> would standardize the name of that thing!)
>
> The "Access productivity tools" are Replication Manager and and VSS,
> both of which were included in the 2000 ODE, and VSS isn't remotely
> Access-specific.  The Software Developer Kits include the HTML Help SDK
> and the Smart Tags SDK are not Access-specific and the Workflow
> developer tools only apply if you have installed Exchange Server or if
> you installed SQL Server on a server.  They don't work on a stand-alone
> machine unless you're running a Server OS, and Workflow Services for SQL
> Server requires IIS and Front Page Server Extensions.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
> [mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 10:51 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit
>
>
> Could someone give me a quick run down of the features available with
> the
> Office 2002 Developers kit.
>
> Nothing in detail mainly a list of what it can do with specific
> reference to
> Access.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Martin
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May 14 15:53:25 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:53:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F62@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Enterprise Manager is part of SQL Server 2000 and I mentioned VSS as
part of the "Access" productivity tools.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Philippe Pons [mailto:Philippe.Pons19 at wanadoo.fr] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 9:44 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit


Also the Enterprise Manager, to interface with sql server(quite
powerfull) and Visual Source Safe to allow and manage several developers
on the same project. (not Access specific, i know) Philippe

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 1:13 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit


> Are you talking about 2002 or 2003?  There is Office XP Developer, if 
> that's what you mean.  I don't see very much that is Access-specific 
> in it except the Packaging Wizard, which gives you the runtime 
> license. The Code Librarian for XP isn't Access-specific and doesn't 
> even show up as an add-in, since it is a stand-alone executable app.  
> The packaging wizard also includes the SQL Server Data Engine files 
> (gosh, I wish they would standardize the name of that thing!)
>
> The "Access productivity tools" are Replication Manager and and VSS, 
> both of which were included in the 2000 ODE, and VSS isn't remotely 
> Access-specific.  The Software Developer Kits include the HTML Help 
> SDK and the Smart Tags SDK are not Access-specific and the Workflow 
> developer tools only apply if you have installed Exchange Server or if

> you installed SQL Server on a server.  They don't work on a 
> stand-alone machine unless you're running a Server OS, and Workflow 
> Services for SQL Server requires IIS and Front Page Server Extensions.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK 
> [mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 10:51 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit
>
>
> Could someone give me a quick run down of the features available with 
> the Office 2002 Developers kit.
>
> Nothing in detail mainly a list of what it can do with specific 
> reference to Access.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Martin
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May 14 15:56:16 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:56:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F63@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Run-time executables?  Do you mean the Access runtime executable,
Charles?   

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 12:26 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit


Martin,

By now you should have received Charlotte's response and seen that
run-time executables are about all in the ODEs that are Access related.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
[mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK] 
Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 14 15:09
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit

Thanks Charles. Is that ALL it does? I havnt used it at all.

Martin


Quoting "Wortz, Charles" <CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>:

> Martin,
> 
> It gives you the ability to create run-time Access executables and the

> license to distribute them.
> 
> Charles Wortz
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
> [mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK]
> Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 14 13:51
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit
> 
> Could someone give me a quick run down of the features available with
> the Office 2002 Developers kit.
> 
> Nothing in detail mainly a list of what it can do with specific
> reference to Access.
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Martin
_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May 14 15:59:40 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:59:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F66@infoserver01.infostat.local>

You get developer edition licenses for SQL Server and Exchange Server
2000 as well.  These are full versions but they're only for development.
You can't distribute them.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
[mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 12:09 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit


Thanks Charles. Is that ALL it does? I havnt used it at all.

Martin


Quoting "Wortz, Charles" <CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>:

> Martin,
> 
> It gives you the ability to create run-time Access executables and the

> license to distribute them.
> 
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK 
> [mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK]
> Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 14 13:51
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit
> 
> Could someone give me a quick run down of the features available with 
> the Office 2002 Developers kit.
> 
> Nothing in detail mainly a list of what it can do with specific 
> reference to Access.
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Martin
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
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From Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK  Wed May 14 16:05:25 2003
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK (Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 22:05:25 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit
In-Reply-To: <003601c31aa5$10b8fa30$2a623151@linceo>
References: 	<E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F60@infoserver01.infostat.local>
	<003601c31aa5$10b8fa30$2a623151@linceo>
Message-ID: <1052946325.3ec2af95da121@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

Thanks

Martin


Quoting Philippe Pons <Philippe.Pons19 at wanadoo.fr>:

> Also the Enterprise Manager, to interface with sql server(quite
> powerfull)
> and Visual Source Safe to allow and manage several developers on the
> same
> project.
> (not Access specific, i know)
> Philippe
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 1:13 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit
> 
> 
> > Are you talking about 2002 or 2003?  There is Office XP Developer,
> if
> > that's what you mean.  I don't see very much that is Access-specific
> in
> > it except the Packaging Wizard, which gives you the runtime license.
> The
> > Code Librarian for XP isn't Access-specific and doesn't even show up
> as
> > an add-in, since it is a stand-alone executable app.  The packaging
> > wizard also includes the SQL Server Data Engine files (gosh, I wish
> they
> > would standardize the name of that thing!)
> >
> > The "Access productivity tools" are Replication Manager and and VSS,
> > both of which were included in the 2000 ODE, and VSS isn't remotely
> > Access-specific.  The Software Developer Kits include the HTML Help
> SDK
> > and the Smart Tags SDK are not Access-specific and the Workflow
> > developer tools only apply if you have installed Exchange Server or
> if
> > you installed SQL Server on a server.  They don't work on a
> stand-alone
> > machine unless you're running a Server OS, and Workflow Services for
> SQL
> > Server requires IIS and Front Page Server Extensions.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
> > [mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 10:51 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit
> >
> >
> > Could someone give me a quick run down of the features available
> with
> > the
> > Office 2002 Developers kit.
> >
> > Nothing in detail mainly a list of what it can do with specific
> > reference to
> > Access.
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Martin
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed May 14 16:32:38 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 16:32:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Automated Test Software
Message-ID: <003101c31a60$5a951c50$de1811d8@DanWaters>

Hello to all!

I've been wondering about automated test software (ATS).  I work
independently, and am normally able to test well enough to ferret out the
usual bugs.  But sometimes an unusual combination of events occurs, and I
get a call for help.

For an independent person developer, is there a value in getting ATS?  I
don't know what it costs.  I currently develop only with Access, but plan to
begin developing ADP's in a client-server environment pretty soon.

Any thoughts from anyone?

Thanks,
Dan Waters
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed May 14 17:07:02 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 15:07:02 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit
References:  <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F60@infoserver01.infostat.local>
 <003601c31aa5$10b8fa30$2a623151@linceo>
Message-ID: <3EC2BE06.9030500@shaw.ca>

Some other obscure ones.

Customizing the SharePoint Portal Server with Office XP Developer

 DigitalDashboard  and ODE but I think the digital dashboard has 
disappeared or is about too.

 Not sure if you still need license to distribute ActiveX Controls in 
the Office Developer Edition, did in 97.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dno97ta/html/msdn_ode2.asp

The ODE ActiveX Controls
CommonDialog Control
ImageList Control
InternetTransfer Control
ListView Control
ProgressBar Control
RichTextBox Control
Slider Control
StatusBar Control
TabStrip Control
Toolbar Control
TreeView Control
UpDown Control
Winsock Control


>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
>>[mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK]
>>Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 10:51 AM
>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>Subject: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit
>>
>>
>>Could someone give me a quick run down of the features available with
>>the
>>Office 2002 Developers kit.
>>
>>Nothing in detail mainly a list of what it can do with specific
>>reference to
>>Access.
>>
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Martin
>>
>>    
>>



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May 14 17:19:22 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 15:19:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F68@infoserver01.infostat.local>

>>Not sure if you still need license to distribute ActiveX Controls in 
the Office Developer Edition, did in 97.

As far as I know, you still do if you're distributing them using the
packaging wizard.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: MartyConnelly [mailto:martyconnelly at shaw.ca] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 2:07 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit


Some other obscure ones.

Customizing the SharePoint Portal Server with Office XP Developer

 DigitalDashboard  and ODE but I think the digital dashboard has 
disappeared or is about too.

 Not sure if you still need license to distribute ActiveX Controls in 
the Office Developer Edition, did in 97.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dno97ta
/html/msdn_ode2.asp

The ODE ActiveX Controls
CommonDialog Control
ImageList Control
InternetTransfer Control
ListView Control
ProgressBar Control
RichTextBox Control
Slider Control
StatusBar Control
TabStrip Control
Toolbar Control
TreeView Control
UpDown Control
Winsock Control


>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK 
>>[mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK]
>>Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 10:51 AM
>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>Subject: [AccessD] Office Developers Kit
>>
>>
>>Could someone give me a quick run down of the features available with 
>>the Office 2002 Developers kit.
>>
>>Nothing in detail mainly a list of what it can do with specific 
>>reference to Access.
>>
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Martin
>>
>>    
>>


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed May 14 17:43:13 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 08:43:13 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design...
In-Reply-To: <Sea2-F10xsFBUx3zvPh000313b1@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3EC35321.30769.D353A@localhost>

On 14 May 2003 at 8:30, Henry Simpson wrote:

> Curious that in Access 97, and I'll assume subsequent versions as
> well, a yes/no field stores 2 bytes for each entry.  Using a numeric
> value like a byte requires half the storage and gives you 8 states
> that equate to 8 two state fields or 4 four state fields or whatever
> other combination of 8 bits you devise, plus null.  I've never
> understood why the yes/no field requires two bytes and use bytes for
> boolean fields for the increased flexibility.  Form logic doesn't seem
> to require any change if you simply use one byte field for each field
> requiring a boolean display.
> 

It's for speed/simplicity versus storage requirements.

A 32 bit (long) data type is the quickest and easiest to 
retrieve/mainipuate/store in a 32 bit OS.

If you used a single bit to store a yes/no field, it would reduce the 
storage requirement, but think about how you would then have to 
store/locate/ index etc that particualr bit. It would make it a very 
slow datatype to use in comparison.

If you only have a single Yes/No field in the table, what are you 
going to do with the other 7 bits in the byte anyway - so you might 
as well just store it as a whole byte. Once you take that step, you 
might as well use a long for speed rather than a byte (You don't use 
single byte Integer variables do you <g>)







-- 
Lexacorp Ltd
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From dmhartr at sandia.gov  Wed May 14 21:06:55 2003
From: dmhartr at sandia.gov (Hartranft, Dwayne)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 20:06:55 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] access database needs repair
Message-ID: <03781128C7B74B4DBC27C55859C9D738B7D5D7@es06snlnt.sandia.gov>

Hi all,

I am in dire need of some advice.

I had a client that ended up with a corrupted database.

The power went off to the computer while a database was open.  Now when I
try to open it, it says that it needs to repair the file.  When I try to
repair it, I get the message that the file is not a recognized database
format.  It is in Access 2000

Any suggestions?  Restoring from a backup is not an option since the client
did not do any.

Thanks in advance for any ideas.

Dwayne Hartranft


From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Wed May 14 21:31:23 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 22:31:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] access database needs repair
References: <03781128C7B74B4DBC27C55859C9D738B7D5D7@es06snlnt.sandia.gov>
Message-ID: <000801c31a8a$19db7e50$6401a8c0@default>

Hi Dwayne,

You may not have necessarily indicated your level of expertise,
so I am just going to pose a few questions:

Did you check for and delete the locking .LDB file that opens
with the mdb?

If so, did you try importing objects from your mdb using a new mdb?
Or, perhaps, using Excel, try to import the data?

Have you tried JetComp? See http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?
scid=http://support.microsoft.com:80/support/kb/articles/
Q239/1/14.ASP&NoWebContent=1

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hartranft, Dwayne" <dmhartr at sandia.gov>
To: <accessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: <dwayne at tmssusa.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 10:06 PM
Subject: [AccessD] access database needs repair


> Hi all,
>
> I am in dire need of some advice.
>
> I had a client that ended up with a corrupted database.
>
> The power went off to the computer while a database was open.  Now when I
> try to open it, it says that it needs to repair the file.  When I try to
> repair it, I get the message that the file is not a recognized database
> format.  It is in Access 2000
>
> Any suggestions?  Restoring from a backup is not an option since the
client
> did not do any.
>
> Thanks in advance for any ideas.
>
> Dwayne Hartranft
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu May 15 01:39:00 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 07:39:00 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] access database needs repair
In-Reply-To: <000801c31a8a$19db7e50$6401a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <001101c31aac$abac51c0$b274d0d5@andypc>

And I'll add, did you try decompiling? That's opening Access with a
/decompile switch then opening your MDB and letting Access decompile it.
You didn't indicate whether it?s a FrontEnd or Backend either. Would
help people give advice.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Michael R Mattys
> Sent: 15 May 2003 03:31
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] access database needs repair
> 
> 
> Hi Dwayne,
> 
> You may not have necessarily indicated your level of 
> expertise, so I am just going to pose a few questions:
> 
> Did you check for and delete the locking .LDB file that opens 
> with the mdb?
> 
> If so, did you try importing objects from your mdb using a 
> new mdb? Or, perhaps, using Excel, try to import the data?
> 
> Have you tried JetComp? See http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?
> scid=http://support.microsoft.com:80/support/kb/articles/
> Q239/1/14.ASP&NoWebContent=1
> 
> Michael R. Mattys
> www.mattysconsulting.com
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hartranft, Dwayne" <dmhartr at sandia.gov>
> To: <accessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Cc: <dwayne at tmssusa.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 10:06 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] access database needs repair
> 
> 
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I am in dire need of some advice.
> >
> > I had a client that ended up with a corrupted database.
> >
> > The power went off to the computer while a database was open.  Now 
> > when I try to open it, it says that it needs to repair the 
> file.  When 
> > I try to repair it, I get the message that the file is not a 
> > recognized database format.  It is in Access 2000
> >
> > Any suggestions?  Restoring from a backup is not an option since the
> client
> > did not do any.
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any ideas.
> >
> > Dwayne Hartranft
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> Website: 
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


From COUTTSW at rjrt.com  Thu May 15 06:45:21 2003
From: COUTTSW at rjrt.com (Coutts, Welford L.)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 07:45:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro
Message-ID: <1731B69D9D03DB49881574BBECDE6CAC071F73@wsmailp1.rjr.com>

Mark,
If you're starting with a background of Access/VBA/VB, as I am, you might take a look at    
"Programming Microsoft Visual Basic .NET for Microsoft Access Databases".
I just received it on Monday, and so far It is looking like what I need.  I had it shipped from
bookpool.com for $36.50 + shipping (lists for $59.99).  It is published by Microsoft Press 
and it's author is Rick Dobson.  ( ISBN 0-7356-1819-4 )
 
HTH
Welford Coutts

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Boyd [mailto:MarkBoyd at mcbeeassociates.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 4:07 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro



I've noticed that Visual Studio.net has been a topic of discussion on this list recently.

I'm just beginning to dive into it, and am curious if anyone can recommend a good place to start learning.

Is there a preferred book or website that demonstrates how to create a simple .net application?  I am looking into asp.net, as I
want to start developing web applications that connect to SQL2K.

Any direction is greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks,

Mark Boyd

Sr. Systems Analyst

McBee Associates, Inc.

 




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From COUTTSW at rjrt.com  Thu May 15 06:54:45 2003
From: COUTTSW at rjrt.com (Coutts, Welford L.)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 07:54:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro
Message-ID: <1731B69D9D03DB49881574BBECDE6CAC675C44@wsmailp1.rjr.com>

Mark,

If you're starting with a background of Access/VBA/VB, as I am, you might take a look at 

"Programming Microsoft Visual Basic .NET for Microsoft Access Databases".

I just received it on Monday, and so far It is looking like what I need. I had it shipped from

bookpool.com for $36.50 + shipping (lists for $59.99). It is published by Microsoft Press 

and it's author is Rick Dobson. ( ISBN 0-7356-1819-4 )

HTH

Welford Coutts

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Boyd [mailto:MarkBoyd at mcbeeassociates.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 4:07 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro



I've noticed that Visual Studio.net has been a topic of discussion on this list recently.

I'm just beginning to dive into it, and am curious if anyone can recommend a good place to start learning.

Is there a preferred book or website that demonstrates how to create a simple .net application?  I am looking into asp.net, as I
want to start developing web applications that connect to SQL2K.

Any direction is greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks,

Mark Boyd

Sr. Systems Analyst

McBee Associates, Inc.

 




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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Thu May 15 07:32:53 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 07:32:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Numbering Different Criteria
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2DF1A3@exchange.pgdp>

I need to set up a way to assign sequential numbers based on different
criteria.
 
The first part of the number is a document number, it can be either AB1234
or CD6789, the next part is for the Engineering section (C for Civil,
M-Mechanical, E-Electrical). So the numbering scheme would be:
 
AB1234-C001 (tracking number - section, sequential number)
AB1234-C002
AB1234-M001
CD6789-E001
CD6789-E002
CD6789-M001
 
The numbers also contain revisions and change letters. If I want the next
Civil number for document tracking number AB1234, it would be:
 
AB1234-C003, Rev 0, Ch 0 (document number - section, sequential number,
revision, change)
then AB1234-C003, Rev 0, Ch A
or AB1234-C003, Rev 1, Ch 0
AB1234-C003, Rev 1, Ch A
 
I thought if I could have the form select the tracking number & the section,
I could use a query to designate what the next sequential number would be
based on the tracking number & the section. Then I couldn't get the two
different criteria to work together. 
 
   ' Find the record that matches the control.
    Me.RecordsetClone.FindFirst "[DocID] = '" & Me![cboDocNum] & " AND
[Section] = " & Me![cboDocNum] & "'"
 
Now I got to wondering how I would handle the Revision & Change Letter. Any
ideas how I can put all this together?
 
Virginia

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu May 15 07:43:31 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 14:43:31 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Numbering Different Criteria
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2DF1A3@exchange.pgdp>
References: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2DF1A3@exchange.pgdp>
Message-ID: <11123798951.20030515144331@cactus.dk>

Hi Virginia

You don't mention what happens when Rev exceeds 9 or Ch exceeds Z.
Or sequential no. exceeds 999 (even if this will "never" happen).

/gustav


> I need to set up a way to assign sequential numbers based on different
> criteria.
 
> The first part of the number is a document number, it can be either AB1234
> or CD6789, the next part is for the Engineering section (C for Civil,
> M-Mechanical, E-Electrical). So the numbering scheme would be:
 
> AB1234-C001 (tracking number - section, sequential number)
> AB1234-C002
> AB1234-M001
> CD6789-E001
> CD6789-E002
> CD6789-M001
 
> The numbers also contain revisions and change letters. If I want the next
> Civil number for document tracking number AB1234, it would be:
 
> AB1234-C003, Rev 0, Ch 0 (document number - section, sequential number,
> revision, change)
> then AB1234-C003, Rev 0, Ch A
> or AB1234-C003, Rev 1, Ch 0
> AB1234-C003, Rev 1, Ch A
 
> I thought if I could have the form select the tracking number & the section,
> I could use a query to designate what the next sequential number would be
> based on the tracking number & the section. Then I couldn't get the two
> different criteria to work together. 
 
>    ' Find the record that matches the control.
>     Me.RecordsetClone.FindFirst "[DocID] = '" & Me![cboDocNum] & " AND
> [Section] = " & Me![cboDocNum] & "'"
 
> Now I got to wondering how I would handle the Revision & Change Letter. Any
> ideas how I can put all this together?
 
> Virginia


From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Thu May 15 07:48:10 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 07:48:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Numbering Different Criteria
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F8780A@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Virginia,
 
Make life easier for yourself and keep each of these items individual
fields.  The arithmetic is easier done on strictly numeric fields.  You
can concatenate them together when you need to display them.
 
I have a customer I could kill because they came to me AFTER printing a
million new forms and asking me to adjust the database to accept the new
serial numbers on the forms.  Of course the new serial numbers do not
fall into either proper numeric or alphabetic sorting sequence with the
old serial numbers.  So I am having to do some of the same things you
are wanting to do.
 

Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 

-----Original Message-----
From: Hollis,Virginia [mailto:HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com] 
Sent: Thursday 2003 May 15 07:33
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Numbering Different Criteria


I need to set up a way to assign sequential numbers based on different
criteria.
 
The first part of the number is a document number, it can be either
AB1234 or CD6789, the next part is for the Engineering section (C for
Civil, M-Mechanical, E-Electrical). So the numbering scheme would be:
 
AB1234-C001 (tracking number - section, sequential number)
AB1234-C002
AB1234-M001
CD6789-E001
CD6789-E002
CD6789-M001
 
The numbers also contain revisions and change letters. If I want the
next Civil number for document tracking number AB1234, it would be:
 
AB1234-C003, Rev 0, Ch 0 (document number - section, sequential number,
revision, change)
then AB1234-C003, Rev 0, Ch A
or AB1234-C003, Rev 1, Ch 0
AB1234-C003, Rev 1, Ch A
 
I thought if I could have the form select the tracking number & the
section, I could use a query to designate what the next sequential
number would be based on the tracking number & the section. Then I
couldn't get the two different criteria to work together. 
 
   ' Find the record that matches the control.
    Me.RecordsetClone.FindFirst "[DocID] = '" & Me![cboDocNum] & " AND
[Section] = " & Me![cboDocNum] & "'"
 
Now I got to wondering how I would handle the Revision & Change Letter.
Any ideas how I can put all this together?
 
Virginia

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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Thu May 15 08:01:58 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 14:01:58 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse pointer
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C831880395696F@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Does anyone know how to set a custom mouse pointer? I want to use the mouse
to indicate a drill-down field and none of the mouse settings listed in the
VB help file (normal, hourglass, insert, resize) are suitable.

TIA

Roz
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu May 15 08:12:52 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 09:12:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Numbering Different Criteria
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2DF1A3@exchange.pgdp>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEDKDMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Virginia,

What you are describing are simply properties of a document, and as such
need their own field in the document table.  Once you have done that any of
the various pieces can be adjusted independently of any other.  Do NOT try
to deal with this as a single entity.  Assign the pieces, then pull the
pieces out and append them all together in a formatted string for the
"document number".

As far as answering the question "what is the next number in the sequence"
you need an algorithm to discuss how the pieces "roll over" into the next
field.

With no intimate knowledge of the numbering scheme, I would guess the first
two characters mean something, i.e. AB has a meaning, CD has a meaning etc.
Next the numeric portion.  Of course you have defined the single character
in the middle and everything after that.  Completely breaking it down at
least allows you to go to the people who thought up this scheme and discuss
this thing a piece at a time.  Get inside that pea brain and you will be
trapped... uh... be able to figure out where to go next.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com
  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Hollis,Virginia
  Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 8:33 AM
  To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
  Subject: [AccessD] Numbering Different Criteria


  I need to set up a way to assign sequential numbers based on different
criteria.

  The first part of the number is a document number, it can be either AB1234
or CD6789, the next part is for the Engineering section (C for Civil,
M-Mechanical, E-Electrical). So the numbering scheme would be:

  AB1234-C001 (tracking number - section, sequential number)
  AB1234-C002
  AB1234-M001
  CD6789-E001
  CD6789-E002
  CD6789-M001

  The numbers also contain revisions and change letters. If I want the next
Civil number for document tracking number AB1234, it would be:

  AB1234-C003, Rev 0, Ch 0 (document number - section, sequential number,
revision, change)
  then AB1234-C003, Rev 0, Ch A
  or AB1234-C003, Rev 1, Ch 0
  AB1234-C003, Rev 1, Ch A

  I thought if I could have the form select the tracking number & the
section, I could use a query to designate what the next sequential number
would be based on the tracking number & the section. Then I couldn't get the
two different criteria to work together.

     ' Find the record that matches the control.
      Me.RecordsetClone.FindFirst "[DocID] = '" & Me![cboDocNum] & " AND
[Section] = " & Me![cboDocNum] & "'"

  Now I got to wondering how I would handle the Revision & Change Letter.
Any ideas how I can put all this together?

  Virginia
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From mastercafe at ctv.es  Thu May 15 08:13:57 2003
From: mastercafe at ctv.es (MastercafeCTV)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 15:13:57 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Numbering Different Criteria
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2DF1A3@exchange.pgdp>
Message-ID: <NGBBKBPDGLCOPAJHKICCIEEJEFAA.mastercafe@ctv.es>

We recommend to separate the main code like:

XXNNNN the fisrt part like Alphanumeric Field with 6 positions
X        only 1 position to identificate Engineering Section
NNN     three digits from and integer value converted to String with filled
0 on the left
NN        revision number
NN        Change number

With this in the future you couldn't have any problems making changes on the
main database or making any query you obtain a very adaptable query.

Good luck

Juan
Mastercafe
  -----Mensaje original-----
  De: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]En nombre de Hollis,Virginia
  Enviado el: jueves, 15 de mayo de 2003 14:33
  Para: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
  Asunto: [AccessD] Numbering Different Criteria


  I need to set up a way to assign sequential numbers based on different
criteria.

  The first part of the number is a document number, it can be either AB1234
or CD6789, the next part is for the Engineering section (C for Civil,
M-Mechanical, E-Electrical). So the numbering scheme would be:

  AB1234-C001 (tracking number - section, sequential number)
  AB1234-C002
  AB1234-M001
  CD6789-E001
  CD6789-E002
  CD6789-M001

  The numbers also contain revisions and change letters. If I want the next
Civil number for document tracking number AB1234, it would be:

  AB1234-C003, Rev 0, Ch 0 (document number - section, sequential number,
revision, change)
  then AB1234-C003, Rev 0, Ch A
  or AB1234-C003, Rev 1, Ch 0
  AB1234-C003, Rev 1, Ch A

  I thought if I could have the form select the tracking number & the
section, I could use a query to designate what the next sequential number
would be based on the tracking number & the section. Then I couldn't get the
two different criteria to work together.

     ' Find the record that matches the control.
      Me.RecordsetClone.FindFirst "[DocID] = '" & Me![cboDocNum] & " AND
[Section] = " & Me![cboDocNum] & "'"

  Now I got to wondering how I would handle the Revision & Change Letter.
Any ideas how I can put all this together?

  Virginia
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From mastercafe at ctv.es  Thu May 15 08:24:07 2003
From: mastercafe at ctv.es (MastercafeCTV)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 15:24:07 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse pointer
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C831880395696F@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <NGBBKBPDGLCOPAJHKICCOEEJEFAA.mastercafe@ctv.es>

Mouse pointerCheck http://www.mvps.org/access/index.html you can see some
samples and its application have the main cursor setting. I recommend you
download and check the sample.

Regards

Juan
  -----Mensaje original-----
  De: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]En nombre de Roz Clarke
  Enviado el: jueves, 15 de mayo de 2003 15:02
  Para: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
  Asunto: [AccessD] Mouse pointer


  Does anyone know how to set a custom mouse pointer? I want to use the
mouse to indicate a drill-down field and none of the mouse settings listed
in the VB help file (normal, hourglass, insert, resize) are suitable.

  TIA

  Roz
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Thu May 15 08:25:53 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 09:25:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse pointer
References: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C831880395696F@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <01ab01c31ae5$82a99290$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

Roz

http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0044.htm

...api routine to use any custom pointer/cursor you want ...HTH :)

William Hindman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 9:01 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse pointer


> Does anyone know how to set a custom mouse pointer? I want to use the
mouse
> to indicate a drill-down field and none of the mouse settings listed in
the
> VB help file (normal, hourglass, insert, resize) are suitable.
>
> TIA
>
> Roz
>


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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Thu May 15 08:26:00 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 08:26:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro
In-Reply-To: <1731B69D9D03DB49881574BBECDE6CAC071F73@wsmailp1.rjr.com>
Message-ID: <000001c31ae5$88df89d0$de1811d8@DanWaters>

Welford,
 
This sounded very interesting so I looked at the reader comments on Amazon.
Two were very positive, two were very negative, and one was from the author
himself.  So, by reading those comments, I am confused by what the book
offers.
 
Once you've had a chance to get into this book thoroughly, could you post a
'Book Report' for everyone on the list?  
 
Thanks!
Dan Waters
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Coutts, Welford
L.
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 5:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro


Mark,
If you're starting with a background of Access/VBA/VB, as I am, you might
take a look at    
"Programming Microsoft Visual Basic .NET for Microsoft Access Databases".
I just received it on Monday, and so far It is looking like what I need.  I
had it shipped from
bookpool.com for $36.50 + shipping (lists for $59.99).  It is published by
Microsoft Press 
and it's author is Rick Dobson.  ( ISBN 0-7356-1819-4 )
 
HTH
Welford Coutts

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Boyd [mailto:MarkBoyd at mcbeeassociates.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 4:07 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro



I've noticed that Visual Studio.net has been a topic of discussion on this
list recently.

I'm just beginning to dive into it, and am curious if anyone can recommend a
good place to start learning.

Is there a preferred book or website that demonstrates how to create a
simple .net application?  I am looking into asp.net, as I want to start
developing web applications that connect to SQL2K.

Any direction is greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks,

Mark Boyd

Sr. Systems Analyst

McBee Associates, Inc.

 



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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Thu May 15 08:40:50 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 14:40:50 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse pointer
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956970@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Thank you :)

-----Original Message-----
From: William Hindman [mailto:wdhindman at bellsouth.net] 
Sent: 15 May 2003 14:26
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Mouse pointer


Roz

http://www.mvps.org/access/api/api0044.htm

...api routine to use any custom pointer/cursor you want ...HTH :)

William Hindman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 9:01 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse pointer


> Does anyone know how to set a custom mouse pointer? I want to use the
mouse
> to indicate a drill-down field and none of the mouse settings listed 
> in
the
> VB help file (normal, hourglass, insert, resize) are suitable.
>
> TIA
>
> Roz
>


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----


> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


_______________________________________________
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From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Thu May 15 08:40:55 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 08:40:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Numbering Different Criteria
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2DF1A5@exchange.pgdp>

The numbering scheme has been used for awhile now & kept in a paper log
(ooohh). We need to keep the same numbering for history and searching for
documents.
 
Anyway, how do you create a form that will look at the last sequence of
numbers and assign the next number based on all the combinations, Document
Number, Section, Revision, & Change?
 
What I was thinking - from a dropdown list use the document number to filter
for only the numbers for documents (AB1234). I was not able to concatenate
the document number & the section & still filter the records for only Civil
(AB1234-C). I tried the below code (didn't work)
 
' Find the record that matches the control.
    Me.RecordsetClone.FindFirst "[DocNo] = '" & Me![cboDocNum] & " AND
[Section] = " & Me![cboDocNum] & "'"
 
How do I have it determine what the last (or the next) revision & change
letter is for the Civil document AB1234?
 
Virginia
 

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 8:13 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Numbering Different Criteria


Virginia,
 
What you are describing are simply properties of a document, and as such
need their own field in the document table.  Once you have done that any of
the various pieces can be adjusted independently of any other.  Do NOT try
to deal with this as a single entity.  Assign the pieces, then pull the
pieces out and append them all together in a formatted string for the
"document number".
 
As far as answering the question "what is the next number in the sequence"
you need an algorithm to discuss how the pieces "roll over" into the next
field.
 
With no intimate knowledge of the numbering scheme, I would guess the first
two characters mean something, i.e. AB has a meaning, CD has a meaning etc.
Next the numeric portion.  Of course you have defined the single character
in the middle and everything after that.  Completely breaking it down at
least allows you to go to the people who thought up this scheme and discuss
this thing a piece at a time.  Get inside that pea brain and you will be
trapped... uh... be able to figure out where to go next.
 
John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Hollis,Virginia
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 8:33 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Numbering Different Criteria


I need to set up a way to assign sequential numbers based on different
criteria.
 
The first part of the number is a document number, it can be either AB1234
or CD6789, the next part is for the Engineering section (C for Civil,
M-Mechanical, E-Electrical). So the numbering scheme would be:
 
AB1234-C001 (tracking number - section, sequential number)
AB1234-C002
AB1234-M001
CD6789-E001
CD6789-E002
CD6789-M001
 
The numbers also contain revisions and change letters. If I want the next
Civil number for document tracking number AB1234, it would be:
 
AB1234-C003, Rev 0, Ch 0 (document number - section, sequential number,
revision, change)
then AB1234-C003, Rev 0, Ch A
or AB1234-C003, Rev 1, Ch 0
AB1234-C003, Rev 1, Ch A
 
I thought if I could have the form select the tracking number & the section,
I could use a query to designate what the next sequential number would be
based on the tracking number & the section. Then I couldn't get the two
different criteria to work together. 
 
   ' Find the record that matches the control.
    Me.RecordsetClone.FindFirst "[DocID] = '" & Me![cboDocNum] & " AND
[Section] = " & Me![cboDocNum] & "'"
 
Now I got to wondering how I would handle the Revision & Change Letter. Any
ideas how I can put all this together?
 
Virginia


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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Thu May 15 09:10:33 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 15:10:33 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse pointer
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956972@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

OK I have inserted the sample code into a module and tried to change the
mouse pointer using one of the constants. Nothing happens. Stepping through
the code 
 
Public Const IDC_CROSS = 32515&
 
Declare Function LoadCursorBynum Lib "user32" Alias "LoadCursorA" _
  (ByVal hInstance As Long, ByVal lpCursorName As Long) As Long

Declare Function SetCursor Lib "user32" _
  (ByVal hCursor As Long) As Long

Function MouseCursor(CursorType As Long)
  Dim lngRet As Long
  lngRet = LoadCursorBynum(0&, CursorType)
  lngRet = SetCursor(lngRet)
End Function
 
having called it as so -> MouseCursor(IDC_CROSS), with a watch on lngRet I'm
finding that the value of lngRet = 0 at all times. I'm inept at API to say
the least - what am I missing here?
 
Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: MastercafeCTV [mailto:mastercafe at ctv.es] 
Sent: 15 May 2003 14:24
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse pointer


Check http://www.mvps.org/access/index.html
<http://www.mvps.org/access/index.html>  you can see some samples and its
application have the main cursor setting. I recommend you download and check
the sample.
 
Regards
 
Juan

-----Mensaje original-----
De: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]En nombre de Roz Clarke
Enviado el: jueves, 15 de mayo de 2003 15:02
Para: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Asunto: [AccessD] Mouse pointer



Does anyone know how to set a custom mouse pointer? I want to use the mouse
to indicate a drill-down field and none of the mouse settings listed in the
VB help file (normal, hourglass, insert, resize) are suitable.

TIA 

Roz 

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From Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK  Thu May 15 09:25:05 2003
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK (Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 15:25:05 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro
In-Reply-To: <000001c31ae5$88df89d0$de1811d8@DanWaters>
References: <000001c31ae5$88df89d0$de1811d8@DanWaters>
Message-ID: <1053008705.3ec3a341b71e5@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

Mastering Visual Basic .NET Database Programming
by Evangelos Petroutsos, Asli Bilgin By Sybex

I was a technical editor on this and parts of it where written by Mke 
Gunderloy. I am baised but I liked the book.

I alos like the Apress range of books on .NET Plus if you email me of line I 
can get you a fairly heavy discount from Apress. (Think I left that of the 
last email I sent)

Martin


Quoting Dan Waters <dwaters at usinternet.com>:

> Welford,
>  
> This sounded very interesting so I looked at the reader comments on
> Amazon.
> Two were very positive, two were very negative, and one was from the
> author
> himself.  So, by reading those comments, I am confused by what the
> book
> offers.
>  
> Once you've had a chance to get into this book thoroughly, could you
> post a
> 'Book Report' for everyone on the list?  
>  
> Thanks!
> Dan Waters
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Coutts,
> Welford
> L.
> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 5:45 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro
> 
> 
> Mark,
> If you're starting with a background of Access/VBA/VB, as I am, you
> might
> take a look at    
> "Programming Microsoft Visual Basic .NET for Microsoft Access
> Databases".
> I just received it on Monday, and so far It is looking like what I need.
>  I
> had it shipped from
> bookpool.com for $36.50 + shipping (lists for $59.99).  It is published
> by
> Microsoft Press 
> and it's author is Rick Dobson.  ( ISBN 0-7356-1819-4 )
>  
> HTH
> Welford Coutts
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Boyd [mailto:MarkBoyd at mcbeeassociates.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 4:07 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro
> 
> 
> 
> I've noticed that Visual Studio.net has been a topic of discussion on
> this
> list recently.
> 
> I'm just beginning to dive into it, and am curious if anyone can
> recommend a
> good place to start learning.
> 
> Is there a preferred book or website that demonstrates how to create a
> simple .net application?  I am looking into asp.net, as I want to
> start
> developing web applications that connect to SQL2K.
> 
> Any direction is greatly appreciated.
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mark Boyd
> 
> Sr. Systems Analyst
> 
> McBee Associates, Inc.
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
>   _____  
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> authorized assistant to an intended recipient, please notify the sender
> by
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> dissemination, distribution, or reproduction of this message and/or any
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> 

From mastercafe at ctv.es  Thu May 15 10:26:53 2003
From: mastercafe at ctv.es (MastercafeCTV)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 17:26:53 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse pointer
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956972@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <NGBBKBPDGLCOPAJHKICCGEEMEFAA.mastercafe@ctv.es>

MessageYou need indicate MOUSE MOVE to send the function that put the new
picture over mouse position
Check the frmMainMenuList and taking one textbox look the mouse Events

Regards

Juan
  -----Mensaje original-----
  De: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]En nombre de Roz Clarke
  Enviado el: jueves, 15 de mayo de 2003 16:11
  Para: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
  Asunto: RE: [AccessD] Mouse pointer


  OK I have inserted the sample code into a module and tried to change the
mouse pointer using one of the constants. Nothing happens. Stepping through
the code

  Public Const IDC_CROSS = 32515&

  Declare Function LoadCursorBynum Lib "user32" Alias "LoadCursorA" _
    (ByVal hInstance As Long, ByVal lpCursorName As Long) As Long

  Declare Function SetCursor Lib "user32" _
    (ByVal hCursor As Long) As Long

  Function MouseCursor(CursorType As Long)
    Dim lngRet As Long
    lngRet = LoadCursorBynum(0&, CursorType)
    lngRet = SetCursor(lngRet)
  End Function

  having called it as so -> MouseCursor(IDC_CROSS), with a watch on lngRet
I'm finding that the value of lngRet = 0 at all times. I'm inept at API to
say the least - what am I missing here?

  Roz
    -----Original Message-----
    From: MastercafeCTV [mailto:mastercafe at ctv.es]
    Sent: 15 May 2003 14:24
    To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
    Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse pointer


    Check http://www.mvps.org/access/index.html you can see some samples and
its application have the main cursor setting. I recommend you download and
check the sample.

    Regards

    Juan
      -----Mensaje original-----
      De: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]En nombre de Roz Clarke
      Enviado el: jueves, 15 de mayo de 2003 15:02
      Para: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
      Asunto: [AccessD] Mouse pointer


      Does anyone know how to set a custom mouse pointer? I want to use the
mouse to indicate a drill-down field and none of the mouse settings listed
in the VB help file (normal, hourglass, insert, resize) are suitable.

      TIA

      Roz
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From hsimpson88 at hotmail.com  Thu May 15 11:22:37 2003
From: hsimpson88 at hotmail.com (Henry Simpson)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 10:22:37 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Very interesting quirk in table design
Message-ID: <Sea2-F67ImPiZxOASWT00000d97@hotmail.com>

My response of last night has not showed up so I'll try again:

Speed/simplicity versus storage requiements is given as a reason for using a 
bigger datatype.

If so, why didn't Microsoft make the boolean a four byte datatype?  And when 
we get to 64 bit processors and busses?

The time taken by the processor to mask a byte for use by a 32 bit processor 
compared to the time to transfer a byte from disk to memory is 
insignificant.  The time taken to transfer that same byte over a LAN is many 
orders of magnitude greater.  Now factor in a WAN or a dial up connection 
and the smaller datatype gains significant advantages in speed.  I keep 
hearing that storage is cheap but even so, the data must move from storage 
to processor to memory and back to be used and it is the transit time that 
has the greatest impact on performance.

Assume 100,000 records.
Assume a requirement of 8 yes/no fields.

Case 2 byte Yes/No datatype:  8*2*100,000 = 1,600,000 bytes
Case 1 byte bit field:  1*100,000 = 100,000 bytes

The difference is 1,500,000 bytes and the transit time is enormous compared 
to the processor time required to work with the byte in a 32 bit 
environment.  You lose in simplicity in querying but this can still be 
handled with a bit of skill.

Assume a requirement of 6 yes/no fields and you 'waste' a couple bits

Case 2 byte Yes/No datatype:  6*2*100,000 = 1,200,000 bytes
Case 1 byte bit field:  1*100,000 = 100,000 bytes

Even with wasted bits, the saving is enormous

Assume a requirement of 8 yes/no fields and you use a signed byte vs. the 
two byte boolean datatype.

Case 2 byte Yes/No datatype:  8*2*100,000 = 1,600,000 bytes
Case 1 byte boolean field:  8*100,000 = 800,000 bytes

In this case, you still have better speed due to the overriding impact on 
performance of transfer time plus there is no impact on query complexity.  
This is both simple and faster than a two byte datatype.  In addition, you 
have the benefit of a smaller file (less time to transfer by mail or 
otherwise between remote servers, lower backup requirements) plus you 
benefit from reduced overall network traffic so all users benefit no matter 
what applications they are running.

I think that a smaller datatype is a no brainer on all counts and was merely 
wondering why Microsoft approached the boolean type with No Brain?  Whatever 
their reason, it would appear that a signed byte would handle 0 and -1.

Hen




It's for speed/simplicity versus storage requirements.

A 32 bit (long) data type is the quickest and easiest to
retrieve/mainipuate/store in a 32 bit OS.

If you used a single bit to store a yes/no field, it would reduce the
storage requirement, but think about how you would then have to
store/locate/ index etc that particualr bit. It would make it a very
slow datatype to use in comparison.

If you only have a single Yes/No field in the table, what are you
going to do with the other 7 bits in the byte anyway - so you might
as well just store it as a whole byte. Once you take that step, you
might as well use a long for speed rather than a byte (You don't use
single byte Integer variables do you <g>)

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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Thu May 15 11:23:52 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 12:23:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse pointer
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF4038977DC@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

Just did a little experimenting. It seems that the newly loaded mouse cursor
stays in effect only as long as the *code block* that called MouseCursor is
still executing. For example...

Sub testMC()
Dim ts As Single
    MouseCursor (IDC_CROSS)
    ts = Timer
    While Timer - ts < 4
    Wend
End Sub

... the above code will change the cursor and only when the While loop ends
do we see it change back to the default.

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Roz Clarke [SMTP:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
> Sent:	Thursday, May 15, 2003 10:11 AM
> To:	'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] Mouse pointer
> 
> OK I have inserted the sample code into a module and tried to change the
> mouse pointer using one of the constants. Nothing happens. Stepping
> through the code 
>  
> Public Const IDC_CROSS = 32515&
>  
> Declare Function LoadCursorBynum Lib "user32" Alias "LoadCursorA" _
>   (ByVal hInstance As Long, ByVal lpCursorName As Long) As Long
> 
> Declare Function SetCursor Lib "user32" _
>   (ByVal hCursor As Long) As Long
> 
> Function MouseCursor(CursorType As Long)
>   Dim lngRet As Long
>   lngRet = LoadCursorBynum(0&, CursorType)
>   lngRet = SetCursor(lngRet)
> End Function
>  
> having called it as so -> MouseCursor(IDC_CROSS), with a watch on lngRet
> I'm finding that the value of lngRet = 0 at all times. I'm inept at API to
> say the least - what am I missing here?
>  
> Roz
> 
> 	-----Original Message-----
> 	From: MastercafeCTV [mailto:mastercafe at ctv.es] 
> 	Sent: 15 May 2003 14:24
> 	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> 	Subject: RE: [AccessD] Mouse pointer
> 	
> 	
> 	Check <http://www.mvps.org/access/index.html> you can see some
> samples and its application have the main cursor setting. I recommend you
> download and check the sample.
> 	 
> 	Regards
> 	 
> 	Juan
> 
> 		-----Mensaje original-----
> 		De: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]En nombre de Roz Clarke
> 		Enviado el: jueves, 15 de mayo de 2003 15:02
> 		Para: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> 		Asunto: [AccessD] Mouse pointer
> 		
> 		
> 
> 		Does anyone know how to set a custom mouse pointer? I want
> to use the mouse to indicate a drill-down field and none of the mouse
> settings listed in the VB help file (normal, hourglass, insert, resize)
> are suitable.
> 
> 		TIA 
> 
> 		Roz 
>  << File: ATT776229.txt >> 

From Alun.Garraway at otto.de  Thu May 15 12:09:30 2003
From: Alun.Garraway at otto.de (Garraway, Alun)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 19:09:30 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Quirk in append query
Message-ID: <9F7DD6E5DB1ED611B4B10002A542365C013AE36F@ntovmail05.ov.otto.de>

hallo I'm new to the list and have a problem,

I have an append query the table with data that I'm trying to append hass
19933 records.
the table to which I want to append to contains 18657 with a PK set to no
duplicates.

that means the query *should* append 1276 new records, but when I run the
query,
I get the warning from Access, due to PK etc 19933 records could not be
appended =:-O

does anybody have a "cure" for this illness?

using A2K with NT Network

TIA
alun



Alun Garraway
IM-IT Sonderprojekte LBB-ET-D1
Tel. (040) 64 61 5573
Fax (040) 64 64 5573
mailto:alun.garraway at otto.de


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu May 15 12:41:01 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 18:41:01 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] access database needs repair
In-Reply-To: <001101c31aac$abac51c0$b274d0d5@andypc>
Message-ID: <007401c31b09$27037720$b274d0d5@andypc>

Dwayne
If you're still struggling, and the data's really vital, then I believe
there's a company who specialise in recovering this sort of thing. If
you express interest I'm sure someone will remember who they are.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: 15 May 2003 07:39
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] access database needs repair
> 
> 
> And I'll add, did you try decompiling? That's opening Access 
> with a /decompile switch then opening your MDB and letting 
> Access decompile it. You didn't indicate whether it?s a 
> FrontEnd or Backend either. Would help people give advice.
> 
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> > Michael R Mattys
> > Sent: 15 May 2003 03:31
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] access database needs repair
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Dwayne,
> > 
> > You may not have necessarily indicated your level of
> > expertise, so I am just going to pose a few questions:
> > 
> > Did you check for and delete the locking .LDB file that opens
> > with the mdb?
> > 
> > If so, did you try importing objects from your mdb using a
> > new mdb? Or, perhaps, using Excel, try to import the data?
> > 
> > Have you tried JetComp? See 
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?
> > scid=http://support.microsoft.com:80/support/kb/articles/
> > Q239/1/14.ASP&NoWebContent=1
> > 
> > Michael R. Mattys
> > www.mattysconsulting.com
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Hartranft, Dwayne" <dmhartr at sandia.gov>
> > To: <accessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Cc: <dwayne at tmssusa.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 10:06 PM
> > Subject: [AccessD] access database needs repair
> > 
> > 
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I am in dire need of some advice.
> > >
> > > I had a client that ended up with a corrupted database.
> > >
> > > The power went off to the computer while a database was open.  Now
> > > when I try to open it, it says that it needs to repair the 
> > file.  When
> > > I try to repair it, I get the message that the file is not a
> > > recognized database format.  It is in Access 2000
> > >
> > > Any suggestions?  Restoring from a backup is not an 
> option since the
> > client
> > > did not do any.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance for any ideas.
> > >
> > > Dwayne Hartranft
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
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> > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> 
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> 


From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu May 15 12:43:51 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 10:43:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer
Message-ID: <00ee01c31b09$8bee4610$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Dear List:

I have a couple of reports which the client wants to page break on the major sort field.  SO I put a page break control in the section  the section footer which works just fine except I'm getting an extra blank page at the end of the report.

Is there a way to suppress this last page?

MTIA

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Thu May 15 12:55:13 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 12:55:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Quirk in append query
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F35808@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Alun,

The error message said how many were PK violations, how many were
datatype violations, etc.  You need to look at each type of reported
problem and solve each.  If you do not understand what one of the
reported problem types is, we will be glad to try to explain it if you
give us all the information.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Garraway, Alun [mailto:Alun.Garraway at otto.de] 
Sent: Thursday 2003 May 15 12:10
To: Access DatabaseAdvisors (E-Mail)
Subject: [AccessD] Quirk in append query

hallo I'm new to the list and have a problem,

I have an append query the table with data that I'm trying to append
hass 19933 records. the table to which I want to append to contains
18657 with a PK set to no duplicates.

that means the query *should* append 1276 new records, but when I run
the query, I get the warning from Access, due to PK etc 19933 records
could not be appended =:-O

does anybody have a "cure" for this illness?

using A2K with NT Network

TIA
alun



Alun Garraway
IM-IT Sonderprojekte LBB-ET-D1
Tel. (040) 64 61 5573
Fax (040) 64 64 5573
mailto:alun.garraway at otto.de

From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu May 15 12:54:18 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 18:54:18 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer
In-Reply-To: <00ee01c31b09$8bee4610$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <007f01c31b0b$028a15a0$b274d0d5@andypc>

Rocky
Rather than do that just set the Force New Page property of the Group
Header to Before Section.
 
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk <http://www.minstersystems.co.uk/> 



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: 15 May 2003 18:44
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer


Dear List:
 
I have a couple of reports which the client wants to page break on the
major sort field.  SO I put a page break control in the section  the
section footer which works just fine except I'm getting an extra blank
page at the end of the report.
 
Is there a way to suppress this last page?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
 

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu May 15 12:55:52 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 18:55:52 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Quirk in append query
In-Reply-To: <9F7DD6E5DB1ED611B4B10002A542365C013AE36F@ntovmail05.ov.otto.de>
Message-ID: <008401c31b0b$3a313740$b274d0d5@andypc>

Welcome to the list Alun

IIRC the Access error says something about "index errors", not
specifically PK ones. Are you sure you hven't got another index which is
preventing these records appending?

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Garraway, Alun
> Sent: 15 May 2003 18:10
> To: Access DatabaseAdvisors (E-Mail)
> Subject: [AccessD] Quirk in append query
> 
> 
> hallo I'm new to the list and have a problem,
> 
> I have an append query the table with data that I'm trying to 
> append hass 19933 records. the table to which I want to 
> append to contains 18657 with a PK set to no duplicates.
> 
> that means the query *should* append 1276 new records, but 
> when I run the query, I get the warning from Access, due to 
> PK etc 19933 records could not be appended =:-O
> 
> does anybody have a "cure" for this illness?
> 
> using A2K with NT Network
> 
> TIA
> alun
> 
> 
> 
> Alun Garraway
> IM-IT Sonderprojekte LBB-ET-D1
> Tel. (040) 64 61 5573
> Fax (040) 64 64 5573
> mailto:alun.garraway at otto.de
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/a> ccessd
> Website: 
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 


From Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK  Thu May 15 12:49:34 2003
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK (Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 18:49:34 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] Windows Problem
In-Reply-To: <002201c31a58$08d1fe90$de1811d8@DanWaters>
References: <002201c31a58$08d1fe90$de1811d8@DanWaters>
Message-ID: <1053020974.3ec3d32eb9a44@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

I have installed some software which I had to FTP to the PC. The folder and 
all sub folders are marked read only (win XP Pro)

In order to execute some VBA I must have full access to teh folders, however 
when I take the read only property of and click ok, go back and check the 
property its set back to read only.

Anyone any idea whats happening?


Martin

From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Thu May 15 13:20:08 2003
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 14:20:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Windows Problem
Message-ID: <FED384E544086A47AAC07C0999BE8D175B702F@albmsx2k.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Martin,
Have Win XP Pro too and it looks like all the folders are marked read
only but I can still write to them.

Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us


-----Original Message-----
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
[mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK] 
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 1:50 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Windows Problem


I have installed some software which I had to FTP to the PC. The folder
and 
all sub folders are marked read only (win XP Pro)

In order to execute some VBA I must have full access to teh folders,
however 
when I take the read only property of and click ok, go back and check
the 
property its set back to read only.

Anyone any idea whats happening?


Martin
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AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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From clh at christopherhawkins.com  Thu May 15 13:38:25 2003
From: clh at christopherhawkins.com (Christopher Hawkins)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 12:38:25 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Guess who's back?
Message-ID: <106340-220035415183825789@christopherhawkins.com>

My apologies for cluttering the list.  I'm just so excited to be
subscribed again, and to be working with Access again, that i wanted
to say hello to all of you!

It's been a long time and I'm looking forward to more of the
interesting, useful discussions I recall from my first go-round as a
member of this list.

-Christopher Hawkins-
www.christopherhawkins.com


From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu May 15 13:46:56 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 11:46:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer
References: <007f01c31b0b$028a15a0$b274d0d5@andypc>
Message-ID: <010c01c31b12$5c62b580$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

MessageAndy:

There's a 'page break' check box on the calling form.  So I set the page breaks (up to three because there can be three sort fields selected) visible or not depending on the check box.  

I tried setting them in code:


If Forms!frmRoomInventoryReport!chkPageBreak = False Then
    'PageBreak1.Visible = False
    'PageBreak2.Visible = False
    'PageBreak3.Visible = False
    Me.Section(6).ForceNewPage = 0
    Me.Section(8).ForceNewPage = 0
    Me.Section(10).ForceNewPage = 0
Else
    Me.Section(6).ForceNewPage = 2
    Me.Section(8).ForceNewPage = 2
    Me.Section(10).ForceNewPage = 2
End If

but it's not coming out right.  The sections are breaking in funny places.  I tried commenting out 6,8, and 10 in various combinations but nothing seems to work just right.  

Do you see anything I'm doing wrong here or is there perhaps another way to suppress that last blank page?

MTIA

is

but it leaves the page header by itself.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Andy Lacey 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 10:54 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer


  Rocky
  Rather than do that just set the Force New Page property of the Group Header to Before Section.

  Andy Lacey
  http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



    -----Original Message-----
    From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
    Sent: 15 May 2003 18:44
    To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
    Subject: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer


    Dear List:

    I have a couple of reports which the client wants to page break on the major sort field.  SO I put a page break control in the section  the section footer which works just fine except I'm getting an extra blank page at the end of the report.

    Is there a way to suppress this last page?

    MTIA

    Rocky Smolin
    Beach Access Software



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From Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK  Thu May 15 13:48:42 2003
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK (Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 19:48:42 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] Guess who's back?
In-Reply-To: <106340-220035415183825789@christopherhawkins.com>
References: <106340-220035415183825789@christopherhawkins.com>
Message-ID: <1053024522.3ec3e10a1fe24@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

Welcome back Chris

Martin


Quoting Christopher Hawkins <clh at christopherhawkins.com>:

> My apologies for cluttering the list.  I'm just so excited to be
> subscribed again, and to be working with Access again, that i wanted
> to say hello to all of you!
> 
> It's been a long time and I'm looking forward to more of the
> interesting, useful discussions I recall from my first go-round as a
> member of this list.
> 
> -Christopher Hawkins-
> www.christopherhawkins.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 

From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu May 15 13:57:40 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 19:57:40 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer
In-Reply-To: <010c01c31b12$5c62b580$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <009b01c31b13$dc25cfe0$b274d0d5@andypc>

Rocky
I'd set it to 1 (ie Before Section) if I were you. That's what I always
use and never have any bother. I take it you've removed the manual page
breaks cos they'd be messing you up otherwise.
 
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk <http://www.minstersystems.co.uk/> 



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: 15 May 2003 19:47
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer


Andy:
 
There's a 'page break' check box on the calling form.  So I set the page
breaks (up to three because there can be three sort fields selected)
visible or not depending on the check box.  
 
I tried setting them in code:
 


If Forms!frmRoomInventoryReport!chkPageBreak = False Then
    'PageBreak1.Visible = False
    'PageBreak2.Visible = False
    'PageBreak3.Visible = False
    Me.Section(6).ForceNewPage = 0
    Me.Section(8).ForceNewPage = 0
    Me.Section(10).ForceNewPage = 0
Else
    Me.Section(6).ForceNewPage = 2
    Me.Section(8).ForceNewPage = 2
    Me.Section(10).ForceNewPage = 2
End If

but it's not coming out right.  The sections are breaking in funny
places.  I tried commenting out 6,8, and 10 in various combinations but
nothing seems to work just right.  
 
Do you see anything I'm doing wrong here or is there perhaps another way
to suppress that last blank page?
 
MTIA
 
is
 
but it leaves the page header by itself.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Andy Lacey <mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk>  
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 10:54 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer

Rocky
Rather than do that just set the Force New Page property of the Group
Header to Before Section.
 
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
- Beach Access Software
Sent: 15 May 2003 18:44
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer


Dear List:
 
I have a couple of reports which the client wants to page break on the
major sort field.  SO I put a page break control in the section  the
section footer which works just fine except I'm getting an extra blank
page at the end of the report.
 
Is there a way to suppress this last page?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
 



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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu May 15 14:22:29 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 12:22:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer
References: <009b01c31b13$dc25cfe0$b274d0d5@andypc>
Message-ID: <016601c31b17$53dfa7b0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

MessageAndy:

She's a-still no work.  I tried After Section because these are the footers. But, of course, I've got three footers so that doesn't work out too well.  Before section would be better for the header sections, no?, but then it leaves the report header on a separate page.   :(

Not sure how to get around this one.

Yet.

Rocky

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Andy Lacey 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 11:57 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer


  Rocky
  I'd set it to 1 (ie Before Section) if I were you. That's what I always use and never have any bother. I take it you've removed the manual page breaks cos they'd be messing you up otherwise.

  Andy Lacey
  http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



    -----Original Message-----
    From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
    Sent: 15 May 2003 19:47
    To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer


    Andy:

    There's a 'page break' check box on the calling form.  So I set the page breaks (up to three because there can be three sort fields selected) visible or not depending on the check box.  

    I tried setting them in code:


    If Forms!frmRoomInventoryReport!chkPageBreak = False Then
        'PageBreak1.Visible = False
        'PageBreak2.Visible = False
        'PageBreak3.Visible = False
        Me.Section(6).ForceNewPage = 0
        Me.Section(8).ForceNewPage = 0
        Me.Section(10).ForceNewPage = 0
    Else
        Me.Section(6).ForceNewPage = 2
        Me.Section(8).ForceNewPage = 2
        Me.Section(10).ForceNewPage = 2
    End If

    but it's not coming out right.  The sections are breaking in funny places.  I tried commenting out 6,8, and 10 in various combinations but nothing seems to work just right.  

    Do you see anything I'm doing wrong here or is there perhaps another way to suppress that last blank page?

    MTIA

    is

    but it leaves the page header by itself.
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Andy Lacey 
      To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
      Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 10:54 AM
      Subject: RE: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer


      Rocky
      Rather than do that just set the Force New Page property of the Group Header to Before Section.

      Andy Lacey
      http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



        -----Original Message-----
        From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
        Sent: 15 May 2003 18:44
        To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
        Subject: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer


        Dear List:

        I have a couple of reports which the client wants to page break on the major sort field.  SO I put a page break control in the section  the section footer which works just fine except I'm getting an extra blank page at the end of the report.

        Is there a way to suppress this last page?

        MTIA

        Rocky Smolin
        Beach Access Software



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From delliker at hotmail.com  Thu May 15 14:25:05 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 15:25:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Quirk in append query
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From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Thu May 15 14:35:38 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 21:35:38 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT  Guess who's back?
References: <106340-220035415183825789@christopherhawkins.com>
Message-ID: <04eb01c31b19$29ebd6c0$0300a8c0@S856>

welcome back, Christopher :)
Lembit Soobik

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From CSPELL at jhuccp.org  Thu May 15 14:33:21 2003
From: CSPELL at jhuccp.org (CYNTHIA SPELL)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 15:33:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer
Message-ID: <sec3b34b.079@ccp2.jhuccp.org>

Rocky,
Maybe you could try to force new page Before Section on the group header and put the Report Header on a Page Header instead.

Cindy

>>> bchacc at san.rr.com 05/15/03 03:22PM >>>
MessageAndy:

She's a-still no work.  I tried After Section because these are the footers. But, of course, I've got three footers so that doesn't work out too well.  Before section would be better for the header sections, no?, but then it leaves the report header on a separate page.   :(

Not sure how to get around this one.

Yet.

Rocky

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Andy Lacey 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 11:57 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer


  Rocky
  I'd set it to 1 (ie Before Section) if I were you. That's what I always use and never have any bother. I take it you've removed the manual page breaks cos they'd be messing you up otherwise.

  Andy Lacey
  http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 



    -----Original Message-----
    From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
    Sent: 15 May 2003 19:47
    To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer


    Andy:

    There's a 'page break' check box on the calling form.  So I set the page breaks (up to three because there can be three sort fields selected) visible or not depending on the check box.  

    I tried setting them in code:


    If Forms!frmRoomInventoryReport!chkPageBreak = False Then
        'PageBreak1.Visible = False
        'PageBreak2.Visible = False
        'PageBreak3.Visible = False
        Me.Section(6).ForceNewPage = 0
        Me.Section(8).ForceNewPage = 0
        Me.Section(10).ForceNewPage = 0
    Else
        Me.Section(6).ForceNewPage = 2
        Me.Section(8).ForceNewPage = 2
        Me.Section(10).ForceNewPage = 2
    End If

    but it's not coming out right.  The sections are breaking in funny places.  I tried commenting out 6,8, and 10 in various combinations but nothing seems to work just right.  

    Do you see anything I'm doing wrong here or is there perhaps another way to suppress that last blank page?

    MTIA

    is

    but it leaves the page header by itself.
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Andy Lacey 
      To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
      Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 10:54 AM
      Subject: RE: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer


      Rocky
      Rather than do that just set the Force New Page property of the Group Header to Before Section.

      Andy Lacey
      http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 



        -----Original Message-----
        From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
        Sent: 15 May 2003 18:44
        To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
        Subject: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer


        Dear List:

        I have a couple of reports which the client wants to page break on the major sort field.  SO I put a page break control in the section  the section footer which works just fine except I'm getting an extra blank page at the end of the report.

        Is there a way to suppress this last page?

        MTIA

        Rocky Smolin
        Beach Access Software



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From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Thu May 15 14:40:55 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 21:40:55 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT - our website - IE5 users
References: <106340-220035415183825789@christopherhawkins.com>
Message-ID: <04f601c31b19$f1e2c990$0300a8c0@S856>

Friends,
we have a little problem with our website:
(some?) IE5 users cannot see part of the website.
unfortunately the website developers do not have IE5 any more,
so would those who have IE5 please check it out
www.databaseadvisors.com
and if you find something not ok, please inform 
Jim Lawrence at accessd at shaw.ca
thank you for your help
Lembit

Lembit Soobik



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 15 14:54:47 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 12:54:47 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F74@infoserver01.infostat.local>

The usual way to do this is to create a group header on that field and
set the group header's  ForceNewPage property to BeforeSection.
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
[mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
	Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 9:44 AM
	To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer
	
	
	Dear List:
	 
	I have a couple of reports which the client wants to page break
on the major sort field.  SO I put a page break control in the section
the section footer which works just fine except I'm getting an extra
blank page at the end of the report.
	 
	Is there a way to suppress this last page?
	 
	MTIA
	 
	Rocky Smolin
	Beach Access Software
	 

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 15 14:59:43 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 12:59:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Quirk in append query
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F75@infoserver01.infostat.local>

If your source table is not filling in a required field in the
destination table, you can easily have this problem.  Since no records
are being appended, that would be the first place I would look.  Make
sure that all the fields you're trying to append should really be
appended and that any missing values are being handled corrected.  For
example, if you have a numeric field that is required and has a default
of zero, trying to append a null to it will cause problems because the
null will overwrite the default.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Garraway, Alun [mailto:Alun.Garraway at otto.de] 
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 9:10 AM
To: Access DatabaseAdvisors (E-Mail)
Subject: [AccessD] Quirk in append query


hallo I'm new to the list and have a problem,

I have an append query the table with data that I'm trying to append
hass 19933 records. the table to which I want to append to contains
18657 with a PK set to no duplicates.

that means the query *should* append 1276 new records, but when I run
the query, I get the warning from Access, due to PK etc 19933 records
could not be appended =:-O

does anybody have a "cure" for this illness?

using A2K with NT Network

TIA
alun



Alun Garraway
IM-IT Sonderprojekte LBB-ET-D1
Tel. (040) 64 61 5573
Fax (040) 64 64 5573
mailto:alun.garraway at otto.de

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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Thu May 15 15:11:51 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 15:11:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - our website - IE5 users
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F3580B@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Lembit and Jim,

I do not have IE5 anymore either so I cannot help in that respect.  But
for those that do have IE5, what should they be looking for that may not
be there?  Unless it is something obvious like a blank page, you may not
know something is missing unless you know what to look for.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Lembit Soobik [mailto:Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de] 
Sent: Thursday 2003 May 15 14:41
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT - our website - IE5 users

Friends,
we have a little problem with our website:
(some?) IE5 users cannot see part of the website.
unfortunately the website developers do not have IE5 any more, so would
those who have IE5 please check it out www.databaseadvisors.com and if
you find something not ok, please inform 
Jim Lawrence at accessd at shaw.ca
thank you for your help
Lembit

Lembit Soobik

From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Thu May 15 15:29:34 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 15:29:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - our website - IE5 users
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2DF1B5@exchange.pgdp>

I have IE5 & the page is blank. All I get is the Menu Bar on the left, the
key & Database Advisors across the top.

So it is obvious something is missing. I cannot navigate to other pages. I
click on the menus but nothing shows on the right side of the page.

Virginia

-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us]
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 3:12 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - our website - IE5 users


Lembit and Jim,

I do not have IE5 anymore either so I cannot help in that respect.  But
for those that do have IE5, what should they be looking for that may not
be there?  Unless it is something obvious like a blank page, you may not
know something is missing unless you know what to look for.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Lembit Soobik [mailto:Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de] 
Sent: Thursday 2003 May 15 14:41
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT - our website - IE5 users

Friends,
we have a little problem with our website:
(some?) IE5 users cannot see part of the website.
unfortunately the website developers do not have IE5 any more, so would
those who have IE5 please check it out www.databaseadvisors.com and if
you find something not ok, please inform 
Jim Lawrence at accessd at shaw.ca
thank you for your help
Lembit

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From klk at ksu.edu  Thu May 15 15:37:08 2003
From: klk at ksu.edu (Keith L. Kovala)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 15:37:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - our website - IE5 users
In-Reply-To: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2DF1B5@exchange.pgdp>
Message-ID: <000601c31b21$c1630a70$55588281@current>

Looking at the source, seems to point to a Java issue, because navigation is
handled by java mouseover scripts, and the loading of the "main page" is
also a java script, with a noscript to load a blank page.

Keith L. Kovala
klk at ksu.edu 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Hollis,Virginia
> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 3:30 PM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - our website - IE5 users
> 
> 
> I have IE5 & the page is blank. All I get is the Menu Bar on 
> the left, the key & Database Advisors across the top.
> 
> So it is obvious something is missing. I cannot navigate to 
> other pages. I click on the menus but nothing shows on the 
> right side of the page.
> 
> Virginia
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us]
> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 3:12 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT - our website - IE5 users
> 
> 
> Lembit and Jim,
> 
> I do not have IE5 anymore either so I cannot help in that 
> respect.  But for those that do have IE5, what should they be 
> looking for that may not be there?  Unless it is something 
> obvious like a blank page, you may not know something is 
> missing unless you know what to look for.
> 
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lembit Soobik [mailto:Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de] 
> Sent: Thursday 2003 May 15 14:41
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT - our website - IE5 users
> 
> Friends,
> we have a little problem with our website:
> (some?) IE5 users cannot see part of the website.
> unfortunately the website developers do not have IE5 any 
> more, so would those who have IE5 please check it out 
www.databaseadvisors.com and if you find something not ok, please inform 
Jim Lawrence at accessd at shaw.ca
thank you for your help
Lembit

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu May 15 16:30:46 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 22:30:46 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F74@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <000e01c31b29$3f5eeaa0$b274d0d5@andypc>

Yea I agree. That's what I had in mind Rocky. If that's not what you've
got I should start over by setting Group Headers on then, as Charlotte
says, set each one's ForceNewPage property to BeforeSection. And if you
have a header do you mean it to appear only once, cos that's what the
ReportHeader will do. Is it a title page? If so the ReportHesder's fine
and yes it'll be on its own page. Otherwise stick it in the PageHeader.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: 15 May 2003 20:55
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer


The usual way to do this is to create a group header on that field and
set the group header's  ForceNewPage property to BeforeSection.

Charlotte Foust
-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 9:44 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer


Dear List:

I have a couple of reports which the client wants to page break on the
major sort field.  SO I put a page break control in the section  the
section footer which works just fine except I'm getting an extra blank
page at the end of the report.

Is there a way to suppress this last page?

MTIA

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu May 15 16:38:16 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 17:38:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEEODMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I am looking at implementing some classes that have defined functionality
and properties.  However the class also needs a collection to hold other
items (instances of a specific class.  I read about the idea of subclassing
a collection to define the object that the collection can hold by overriding
the Add method.  Is there any reason not to just go the whole way and make
the collection class my object class.  IOW, add my methods and properties to
a subclassed collection class, naming the new class to MyObject.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From dmhartr at sandia.gov  Thu May 15 16:54:20 2003
From: dmhartr at sandia.gov (Hartranft, Dwayne)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 15:54:20 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] access database needs repair
Message-ID: <03781128C7B74B4DBC27C55859C9D738B7D5DD@es06snlnt.sandia.gov>

Andy,

I have tried all the items that have been posted so far.  No luck.  Every
time I access the file, it says that it is not a recognized database format.

It is an Access 2000 database, backend with just tables.

I sent the file to a company that has a good rate of recovery, and they said
they could only recover 2 of the tables.

I did try something different.  I was able to open the database in Word.
There is a bunch of garbage, but I can find all the data that was in the
main table.  I just have to filter the garbage out.  This will be easier
than trying to recreate 6 months of data entry.

Thanks for the tips and the encouragement.

Dwayne


From artful at rogers.com  Thu May 15 17:20:27 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 18:20:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEEODMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <018b01c31b30$3040a930$8e01a8c0@Rock>

Offhand I see no wholes in your theory.

A.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: May 15, 2003 5:38 PM
To: AccessD
Cc: VBA
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections


I am looking at implementing some classes that have defined functionality
and properties.  However the class also needs a collection to hold other
items (instances of a specific class.  I read about the idea of subclassing
a collection to define the object that the collection can hold by overriding
the Add method.  Is there any reason not to just go the whole way and make
the collection class my object class.  IOW, add my methods and properties to
a subclassed collection class, naming the new class to MyObject.



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu May 15 17:22:08 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 23:22:08 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] access database needs repair
In-Reply-To: <03781128C7B74B4DBC27C55859C9D738B7D5DD@es06snlnt.sandia.gov>
Message-ID: <001001c31b30$6ca2e1e0$b274d0d5@andypc>

What a nightmare Dwayne. If you're having to find what you can in Word
then how about a hex editor? Might that find non-text data better? Just
had a browse on Google and found this http://www.hexworkshop.com/ which
looks quite meaty, though there are no doubt hundreds to choose from.
Just a thought.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Hartranft, Dwayne
> Sent: 15 May 2003 22:54
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] access database needs repair
> 
> 
> Andy,
> 
> I have tried all the items that have been posted so far.  No 
> luck.  Every time I access the file, it says that it is not a 
> recognized database format.
> 
> It is an Access 2000 database, backend with just tables.
> 
> I sent the file to a company that has a good rate of 
> recovery, and they said they could only recover 2 of the tables.
> 
> I did try something different.  I was able to open the 
> database in Word. There is a bunch of garbage, but I can find 
> all the data that was in the main table.  I just have to 
> filter the garbage out.  This will be easier than trying to 
> recreate 6 months of data entry.
> 
> Thanks for the tips and the encouragement.
> 
> Dwayne
> 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 15 17:29:59 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 15:29:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] access database needs repair
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F77@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Opening the database in Word may have been what toasted it in the first
place.  Word will attempt to open an Access database and in so doing,
will trash it thoroughly ... Assuming it was't already history, of
course.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Hartranft, Dwayne [mailto:dmhartr at sandia.gov] 
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 1:54 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] access database needs repair


Andy,

I have tried all the items that have been posted so far.  No luck.
Every time I access the file, it says that it is not a recognized
database format.

It is an Access 2000 database, backend with just tables.

I sent the file to a company that has a good rate of recovery, and they
said they could only recover 2 of the tables.

I did try something different.  I was able to open the database in Word.
There is a bunch of garbage, but I can find all the data that was in the
main table.  I just have to filter the garbage out.  This will be easier
than trying to recreate 6 months of data entry.

Thanks for the tips and the encouragement.

Dwayne

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From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Thu May 15 18:12:55 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 01:12:55 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] access database needs repair
References: <03781128C7B74B4DBC27C55859C9D738B7D5DD@es06snlnt.sandia.gov>
Message-ID: <05c001c31b37$84dbbb90$0300a8c0@S856>

Dwayne,
did you make a copy before opening it in Word?
some years ago - I cannot remember whether it was A97 or A2, I have been able to
fix it by opening the corrupted db and a good db in a hex editor (I used 2
monitors) and to compare the headers byte by byte. found a difference and
corrected it and it worked.
Lembit Soobik

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hartranft, Dwayne" <dmhartr at sandia.gov>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 11:54 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] access database needs repair


> Andy,
>
> I have tried all the items that have been posted so far.  No luck.  Every
> time I access the file, it says that it is not a recognized database format.
>
> It is an Access 2000 database, backend with just tables.
>
> I sent the file to a company that has a good rate of recovery, and they said
> they could only recover 2 of the tables.
>
> I did try something different.  I was able to open the database in Word.
> There is a bunch of garbage, but I can find all the data that was in the
> main table.  I just have to filter the garbage out.  This will be easier
> than trying to recreate 6 months of data entry.
>
> Thanks for the tips and the encouragement.
>
> Dwayne
>
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>



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu May 15 18:19:18 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 09:19:18 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Mouse pointer
In-Reply-To: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF4038977DC@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
Message-ID: <3EC4AD16.11152.2E5E73C3@localhost>

This from "Win32.hlp - SetCursor" may have something to do with it:

"If your application must set the cursor while it is in a window, make sure the class cursor for the specified window's 
class is set to NULL. If the class cursor is not NULL, the system restores the class cursor each time the mouse is 
moved. "

On 15 May 2003 at 12:23, Heenan, Lambert wrote:

> Just did a little experimenting. It seems that the newly loaded mouse cursor
> stays in effect only as long as the *code block* that called MouseCursor is
> still executing. For example...
> 
> Sub testMC()
> Dim ts As Single
>     MouseCursor (IDC_CROSS)
>     ts = Timer
>     While Timer - ts < 4
>     Wend
> End Sub
> 
> ... the above code will change the cursor and only when the While loop ends
> do we see it change back to the default.
> 

-- 
Stuart McLachlan
Lexacorp Ltd
Application Development,  IT Consultancy
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg


From jbusergroups at optushome.com.au  Thu May 15 18:50:39 2003
From: jbusergroups at optushome.com.au (Joshua B)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 9:50:39 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Manual Database Synchronisation (Problems with GUID)
Message-ID: <200305152350.h4FNoPn28624@mail009.syd.optusnet.com.au>

Group,

Further to my post below, I have been playing with GUID's as primary keys and have run into a few problems.

Firstly, the code "DoCmd.OpenForm "frm_MyForm", , , "theGUID = " & Me.txttheGUID does not work. 

When I type "?Me.txttheGUID" into the debug window, it returns "???????", same result when I try CStr(me.txttheGUID)

When I type in "?StringFromGUID(me.txtTheGUID)" it returns "{guid {1612A983-98E4-48CD-A3F1-4CDC78FF69A5}}", which is close, but I would have to then parse out the "{guid{}" section, and if I'm looking at doing this throughout the whole db, this could be a major headache.       

(Interestingly, if I run "DoCmd.OpenForm "frm_MyForm", , , "theGUID = '{1612A983-98E4-48CD-A3F1-4CDC78FF69A5}'" it works perfectly) 

So I jumped on Google and had a quick look around and came across this http://www.trigeminal.com/usenet/usenet011.asp?1033

which basically lists all the reasons why its NOT a good idea to use GUID's as primary keys.

I'm looking at going back to my original idea. (Using a random autonumber, and attaching a time-stamp to the end of that). But I thought I'd throw this back out there for discussion before I go ahead.

======= At 2003-05-13, 20:16:00 I wrote: =======

>Group:
>
>Hoping someone may have a few ideas on this. I am in the process of setting up specifications for the modification of a clients database. The client has offices in five different locations around the world, and a database that has been shared up until now using Access's in-built replication tool. At the end of each trading day, the database would be sent to the other offices, and they would synchronise. The db has now grown to the size where this is not possible anymore (It weighs in at around 5 megabytes zipped up, and the offices that don't have the luxury of cable are starting to complain). They wish to send only the new and updated records back and forth.
>
>Eventually they will be looking at a web-based solution, but this will not be happening for at least a year, if not more.
>
>My idea is to time-stamp each record when it is updated (or added), and then use this time stamp to determine which records need to be sent to the other offices. I have been assured that the offices will "never" (I know that thats a dirty word) be working on the same record on the same day, so there will be no need to update on a field-by-field basis, I'll simply overwrite the whole record with the updated information.
>
>In the meantime, my main concern with setting this up is how I handle the primary keys for records. Up until now, I have been a firm believer in using an autonumber for a primary key. Of course, this will not be possible in this scenario. When a record is added to the system and sent to all the other offices, the primary keys will have to match, so that my code will be able to match up the updated records when imported at the other end. The best idea I have come up with is to use a random autonumber, and attach a time-stamp to the end of that, and use it as a primary key. For there to be a conflict, it would mean that two offices have generated a duplicate random autonumber at the exact same second. I'm quite happy with the odds of that never happening.
>
>I just thought I would throw this in there, with the hope that maybe someone has done something similar in the past. And of course, there is the likely possibility that I am missing some incredibly easy way of doing this.
>
>Thanks for reading :-)

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
			

Best regards.				 
Joshua B
jbusergroups at optushome.com.au
2003-05-16




From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu May 15 18:53:14 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 19:53:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85BE6@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

John,

Although it seems like it may be the same difference I think it breaks the philosophy (if you will) of class development.  If you design your classes to handle one set of functionality (as class definition normally calls for) then this would dictate keeping the object and all its methods and properties and its collection with its methods and properties separate.

Just my opinion but I'd keep them separate (and do).

Jim DeMarco
(from home)

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 5:38 PM
To: AccessD
Cc: VBA
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections


I am looking at implementing some classes that have defined functionality
and properties.  However the class also needs a collection to hold other
items (instances of a specific class.  I read about the idea of subclassing
a collection to define the object that the collection can hold by overriding
the Add method.  Is there any reason not to just go the whole way and make
the collection class my object class.  IOW, add my methods and properties to
a subclassed collection class, naming the new class to MyObject.

John W. Colby
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From bbruen at bigpond.com  Thu May 15 19:05:15 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 10:05:15 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] 
Message-ID: <000001c31b3e$dcc5aad0$7b00a8c0@bbb888>

Dear List,

Given the following is as simple as it looks,  can anyone shed any light
on the compile error that it generates?

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
Private mstr_clubname As String

Private Property Set clubname(ByVal iname As String)
<<<<----------error here!
''set the attribute with the supplied name of the club
        Set mstr_clubname = iname
End Property

''returns the value of the clubname attribute
Public Property Get clubname() As String
        clubname = mstr_clubname
End Property


The compile error is "Definitions of property procedures for the same
property are inconsistent or contain optional parameters or a
ParamArray"

Not according to this little black duck!  I've even asked a colleague to
read the help file item on the error and she cant understand a word of
it either, not that I believe it applies in any case.  However, I have
deleted EVERY other pice of code in the class module and the error is
still there.

Tia
Bruce







From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu May 15 19:13:46 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 20:13:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85BE6@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEFEDMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I absolutely understand what you are saying.  My thought was that part of
the functionality of this class was that it had to have a collection, thus
the "having a collection" was one of it's properties.  If I don't do what I
discussed, then I have to add a collection object variable.

However if thought of in terms of naming... let's just make up an example.

Let's call the class I am designing Car, and the objects placed in the
collection as doors.  If I don't use a variable pointing to a collection,
then the syntax to manipulate the doors (in place) would be Car(1).Handle
(for example).  If I use a variable, it would be Car.Door(1).Handle.  From
that perspective, the second (generally used) method is superior since the
first method makes readability obscure.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 7:53 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections


John,

Although it seems like it may be the same difference I think it breaks the
philosophy (if you will) of class development.  If you design your classes
to handle one set of functionality (as class definition normally calls for)
then this would dictate keeping the object and all its methods and
properties and its collection with its methods and properties separate.

Just my opinion but I'd keep them separate (and do).

Jim DeMarco
(from home)

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 5:38 PM
To: AccessD
Cc: VBA
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections


I am looking at implementing some classes that have defined functionality
and properties.  However the class also needs a collection to hold other
items (instances of a specific class.  I read about the idea of subclassing
a collection to define the object that the collection can hold by overriding
the Add method.  Is there any reason not to just go the whole way and make
the collection class my object class.  IOW, add my methods and properties to
a subclassed collection class, naming the new class to MyObject.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Thu May 15 19:17:47 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 20:17:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] 
In-Reply-To: <000001c31b3e$dcc5aad0$7b00a8c0@bbb888>
Message-ID: <3EC3F5EB.996.7F2CC6@localhost>

On 16 May 2003 at 10:05, Bruce Bruen wrote:

> Private Property Set clubname(ByVal iname As String)

> Public Property Get clubname() As String

Bruce,

Your Property Set is Private while your Property Get is public.

They can't be different. So you need to change one or the other.

--
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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Thu May 15 19:21:49 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 10:21:49 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Guess who's back?
References: <106340-220035415183825789@christopherhawkins.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c31b41$25326630$3c619a89@DDICK>

Welcome Back


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christopher Hawkins" <clh at christopherhawkins.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 4:38 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Guess who's back?


> My apologies for cluttering the list.  I'm just so excited to be
> subscribed again, and to be working with Access again, that i wanted
> to say hello to all of you!
> 
> It's been a long time and I'm looking forward to more of the
> interesting, useful discussions I recall from my first go-round as a
> member of this list.
> 
> -Christopher Hawkins-
> www.christopherhawkins.com
> 
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu May 15 19:28:28 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 20:28:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85BE7@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

I think your example would more properly require a Door class and a Doors collection class which you'd subclass into your Car class to provide the same syntax (Car.Door(1).Handle).

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 8:14 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections


I absolutely understand what you are saying.  My thought was that part of
the functionality of this class was that it had to have a collection, thus
the "having a collection" was one of it's properties.  If I don't do what I
discussed, then I have to add a collection object variable.

However if thought of in terms of naming... let's just make up an example.

Let's call the class I am designing Car, and the objects placed in the
collection as doors.  If I don't use a variable pointing to a collection,
then the syntax to manipulate the doors (in place) would be Car(1).Handle
(for example).  If I use a variable, it would be Car.Door(1).Handle.  From
that perspective, the second (generally used) method is superior since the
first method makes readability obscure.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 7:53 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections


John,

Although it seems like it may be the same difference I think it breaks the
philosophy (if you will) of class development.  If you design your classes
to handle one set of functionality (as class definition normally calls for)
then this would dictate keeping the object and all its methods and
properties and its collection with its methods and properties separate.

Just my opinion but I'd keep them separate (and do).

Jim DeMarco
(from home)

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 5:38 PM
To: AccessD
Cc: VBA
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections


I am looking at implementing some classes that have defined functionality
and properties.  However the class also needs a collection to hold other
items (instances of a specific class.  I read about the idea of subclassing
a collection to define the object that the collection can hold by overriding
the Add method.  Is there any reason not to just go the whole way and make
the collection class my object class.  IOW, add my methods and properties to
a subclassed collection class, naming the new class to MyObject.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Thu May 15 19:36:39 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 20:36:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD]
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85BE8@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Could it be from using Set to assign a String?  Try using a Property Let instead (without the Set statement).

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Bruen [mailto:bbruen at bigpond.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 8:05 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] 


Dear List,

Given the following is as simple as it looks,  can anyone shed any light
on the compile error that it generates?

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
Private mstr_clubname As String

Private Property Set clubname(ByVal iname As String)
<<<<----------error here!
''set the attribute with the supplied name of the club
        Set mstr_clubname = iname
End Property

''returns the value of the clubname attribute
Public Property Get clubname() As String
        clubname = mstr_clubname
End Property


The compile error is "Definitions of property procedures for the same
property are inconsistent or contain optional parameters or a
ParamArray"

Not according to this little black duck!  I've even asked a colleague to
read the help file item on the error and she cant understand a word of
it either, not that I believe it applies in any case.  However, I have
deleted EVERY other pice of code in the class module and the error is
still there.

Tia
Bruce






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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 15 19:56:46 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 17:56:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] 
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C332@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Property Set is used only for objects.  If you are passing in a string,
that string has to be used to instantiate an object, along the lines of
:

Set frm = forms(iname)

Here's a sample from help:

Property Set Pen(P As Object)
    Set CurrentPen = P    ' Assign Pen to object.
End Property

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Bruen [mailto:bbruen at bigpond.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 4:05 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] 


Dear List,

Given the following is as simple as it looks,  can anyone shed any light
on the compile error that it generates?

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
Private mstr_clubname As String

Private Property Set clubname(ByVal iname As String) <<<<----------error
here! ''set the attribute with the supplied name of the club
        Set mstr_clubname = iname
End Property

''returns the value of the clubname attribute
Public Property Get clubname() As String
        clubname = mstr_clubname
End Property


The compile error is "Definitions of property procedures for the same
property are inconsistent or contain optional parameters or a
ParamArray"

Not according to this little black duck!  I've even asked a colleague to
read the help file item on the error and she cant understand a word of
it either, not that I believe it applies in any case.  However, I have
deleted EVERY other pice of code in the class module and the error is
still there.

Tia
Bruce






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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu May 15 20:26:20 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 21:26:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85BE7@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEFIDMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

No, I was intending to add all of the Car functionality and properties into
a collection class subclassed (called) car, then add door classes into the
car collection class.  The alternative would be to build a car class, with a
colDoor as collection variable, then add the door classes into colDoor.

Using the first method, Car would have it's properties, color, weight etc.
Plus it would have an add method that accepted objects to add into the built
in collection.  The objects placed in this collection would be door classes.
The problem with doing this is that when referenced in place the syntax
would be deceiving.

Car(1) would actually reference a Door class stored in the collection when
it looks like a reference to some object stored in a car array.

Further if using an iterator, you would use something like:

for each door in car()
next door

Which actually isn't too bad.  However usually you would do something like:

For each door in car.colDoor()
next door

Still a little deceiving.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 8:28 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections


I think your example would more properly require a Door class and a Doors
collection class which you'd subclass into your Car class to provide the
same syntax (Car.Door(1).Handle).

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 8:14 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections


I absolutely understand what you are saying.  My thought was that part of
the functionality of this class was that it had to have a collection, thus
the "having a collection" was one of it's properties.  If I don't do what I
discussed, then I have to add a collection object variable.

However if thought of in terms of naming... let's just make up an example.

Let's call the class I am designing Car, and the objects placed in the
collection as doors.  If I don't use a variable pointing to a collection,
then the syntax to manipulate the doors (in place) would be Car(1).Handle
(for example).  If I use a variable, it would be Car.Door(1).Handle.  From
that perspective, the second (generally used) method is superior since the
first method makes readability obscure.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 7:53 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections


John,

Although it seems like it may be the same difference I think it breaks the
philosophy (if you will) of class development.  If you design your classes
to handle one set of functionality (as class definition normally calls for)
then this would dictate keeping the object and all its methods and
properties and its collection with its methods and properties separate.

Just my opinion but I'd keep them separate (and do).

Jim DeMarco
(from home)

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 5:38 PM
To: AccessD
Cc: VBA
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections


I am looking at implementing some classes that have defined functionality
and properties.  However the class also needs a collection to hold other
items (instances of a specific class.  I read about the idea of subclassing
a collection to define the object that the collection can hold by overriding
the Add method.  Is there any reason not to just go the whole way and make
the collection class my object class.  IOW, add my methods and properties to
a subclassed collection class, naming the new class to MyObject.

John W. Colby
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Thu May 15 21:12:42 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 22:12:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections
References: <018b01c31b30$3040a930$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <005b01c31b50$a2303db0$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

...but did you note any parts? :)

William Hindman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 6:20 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections


> Offhand I see no wholes in your theory.
>
> A.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: May 15, 2003 5:38 PM
> To: AccessD
> Cc: VBA
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections
>
>
> I am looking at implementing some classes that have defined functionality
> and properties.  However the class also needs a collection to hold other
> items (instances of a specific class.  I read about the idea of
subclassing
> a collection to define the object that the collection can hold by
overriding
> the Add method.  Is there any reason not to just go the whole way and make
> the collection class my object class.  IOW, add my methods and properties
to
> a subclassed collection class, naming the new class to MyObject.
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Thu May 15 22:19:01 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 20:19:01 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer
References: <000e01c31b29$3f5eeaa0$b274d0d5@andypc>
Message-ID: <01fb01c31b59$e593bdd0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Andy, Charlotte:

More problems - the report header has a LOT of info on it - sort selection,
data selections, etc.  The client will not want it repeated on each page.
For the moment they've decided it's not a big enough problem to spend more
time on.  It'll bubble to the top of the problem list some time in the
future.

Rocky



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 2:30 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer


> Yea I agree. That's what I had in mind Rocky. If that's not what you've
> got I should start over by setting Group Headers on then, as Charlotte
> says, set each one's ForceNewPage property to BeforeSection. And if you
> have a header do you mean it to appear only once, cos that's what the
> ReportHeader will do. Is it a title page? If so the ReportHesder's fine
> and yes it'll be on its own page. Otherwise stick it in the PageHeader.
>
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: 15 May 2003 20:55
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer
>
>
> The usual way to do this is to create a group header on that field and
> set the group header's  ForceNewPage property to BeforeSection.
>
> Charlotte Foust
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 9:44 AM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Extra page with page break in section footer
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> I have a couple of reports which the client wants to page break on the
> major sort field.  SO I put a page break control in the section  the
> section footer which works just fine except I'm getting an extra blank
> page at the end of the report.
>
> Is there a way to suppress this last page?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
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From Alun.Garraway at otto.de  Fri May 16 02:17:26 2003
From: Alun.Garraway at otto.de (Garraway, Alun)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 09:17:26 +0200
Subject: AW: [AccessD] Quirk in append query
Message-ID: <9F7DD6E5DB1ED611B4B10002A542365C013AE373@ntovmail05.ov.otto.de>

FOUND IT :-)
Thanks for the replies.
good tip Andy, it wasn't directly another index
but the table has an n:1 join to another table, due to
records missing there, appending new data wasn't possible,
violation of the integrity rule.

sometimes a bit of sleep works wonders :-)
alun


-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Andy Lacey [mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 15. Mai 2003 19:56
An: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Betreff: RE: [AccessD] Quirk in append query


Welcome to the list Alun

IIRC the Access error says something about "index errors", not
specifically PK ones. Are you sure you hven't got another index which is
preventing these records appending?

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Garraway, Alun
> Sent: 15 May 2003 18:10
> To: Access DatabaseAdvisors (E-Mail)
> Subject: [AccessD] Quirk in append query
> 
> 
> hallo I'm new to the list and have a problem,
> 
> I have an append query the table with data that I'm trying to 
> append hass 19933 records. the table to which I want to 
> append to contains 18657 with a PK set to no duplicates.
> 
> that means the query *should* append 1276 new records, but 
> when I run the query, I get the warning from Access, due to 
> PK etc 19933 records could not be appended =:-O
> 
> does anybody have a "cure" for this illness?
> 
> using A2K with NT Network
> 
> TIA
> alun
> 
> 
> 
> Alun Garraway
> IM-IT Sonderprojekte LBB-ET-D1
> Tel. (040) 64 61 5573
> Fax (040) 64 64 5573
> mailto:alun.garraway at otto.de
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri May 16 02:50:52 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 08:50:52 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Norton AV 2003
In-Reply-To: <9F7DD6E5DB1ED611B4B10002A542365C013AE373@ntovmail05.ov.otto.de>
Message-ID: <001d01c31b7f$e0219680$b274d0d5@andypc>

Apologies in advance for the OT. I did at least wait for Friday, and it
does have a teensy bit of Access relevance.

I've a client with Norton AV 2000, wanting to go to 2003. He is,
however, nervous (always is) about any potential
problems/errors/bugs/crashes, especially after a recent LiveUpdate from
Norton caused Autocad to crash.

The other software run there is - W98, NT4 Server, Exchange Server 5.5,
Access 97, Word 97

Could anyone who runs NAV 2003 and any of the above please email me
off-list ( mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk ) to say either "yes,
NAV2003 and x run fine together" or "we had these problems running
NAV2003 and y". I imagine it'll be fine and dandy but without some
evidence to say so I'll get shot if he installs it and it bombs.

Many thanks

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk




From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri May 16 02:55:15 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 08:55:15 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humour
Message-ID: <002301c31b80$7ca5a460$b274d0d5@andypc>

Why did the chicken cross the road ?......

SAEED AL SAHAF - Iraqi Head of Information
The chicken did not cross the road. This is a complete fabrication. We
do not even have a chicken.

GEORGE W BUSH
We don't care why the chicken crossed the road. We just want to know if
the chicken is on our side of the road or not. The chicken is either for
us or against us. There is no middle ground.

COLIN POWELL
Now to the left of the screen, you can clearly see the satellite image
of the chicken crossing the road.

TONY BLAIR
I agree with George.

HANS BLIX
We have reason to believe there is a chicken, but we have not yet been
allowed to have access to the other side of the road.

DR SEUSS
Did the chicken cross the road?
Did he cross it with a toad?
Yes, the chicken crossed the road, but why it crossed I've not been
told.

MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR
I envisage a world where all chickens will be free to cross roads
without having their motives called into question.

GRANDPA
In my day, we didn't ask why the chicken crossed the road. Somebody told
us the chicken crossed the road, and that was good enough.

OPRAH
Isn't that interesting? In a few moments, we will be listening to the
chicken tell, for the first time, the heart-warming story of how it
experienced a serious case of molting, and went on to accomplish its
dream of crossing the road.

JOHN LENNON
Imagine all the chickens in the world crossing roads together - in
peace.

ARISTOTLE
It is the nature of chickens to cross the road. 
 
KARL MARX
It was an historic inevitability.

RONALD REAGAN
What chicken?

SIGMUND FREUD
The fact that you are at all concerned that the chicken crossed the road
reveals your underlying sexual insecurity.

BILL GATES
eChicken2003 will not only cross roads, but will lay eggs, file your
important documents, and balance your checkbook - and internet explorer
is an integral part of eChicken.

ALBERT EINSTEIN
Did the chicken really cross the road, or did the road move beneath the
chicken?

BILL CLINTON
What is your definition of chicken?

COLONEL SANDERS
Did I miss one? 
 
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk <http://www.minstersystems.co.uk/> 



 


From Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK  Fri May 16 03:04:30 2003
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK (Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 09:04:30 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT HTML Authoring
In-Reply-To: <9F7DD6E5DB1ED611B4B10002A542365C013AE373@ntovmail05.ov.otto.de>
References: <9F7DD6E5DB1ED611B4B10002A542365C013AE373@ntovmail05.ov.otto.de>
Message-ID: <1053072270.3ec49b8ecabb5@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

Anyone know of a good simple HTML authoring tool that is free. Must be 
WYSIWYG. I am looking at free tools for students to use. Oh and cannot be 
Netscape.

Martin

From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Fri May 16 04:56:45 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 05:56:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Norton AV 2003
References: <001d01c31b7f$e0219680$b274d0d5@andypc>
Message-ID: <001f01c31b91$75e6be50$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

...I run Nav2003 with individual WXP/OXP workstations without any problems
...use their Corporate 8.0 version on W2K networks ...the Symantec site is
usually pretty up to date with any known bugs ...I have much more problems
with Windows than with Nav updates ...HTH :)

William Hindman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 3:50 AM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Norton AV 2003


> Apologies in advance for the OT. I did at least wait for Friday, and it
> does have a teensy bit of Access relevance.
>
> I've a client with Norton AV 2000, wanting to go to 2003. He is,
> however, nervous (always is) about any potential
> problems/errors/bugs/crashes, especially after a recent LiveUpdate from
> Norton caused Autocad to crash.
>
> The other software run there is - W98, NT4 Server, Exchange Server 5.5,
> Access 97, Word 97
>
> Could anyone who runs NAV 2003 and any of the above please email me
> off-list ( mailto:andy at minstersystems.co.uk ) to say either "yes,
> NAV2003 and x run fine together" or "we had these problems running
> NAV2003 and y". I imagine it'll be fine and dandy but without some
> evidence to say so I'll get shot if he installs it and it bombs.
>
> Many thanks
>
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri May 16 05:04:21 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 12:04:21 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Manual Database Synchronisation (Problems with GUID)
In-Reply-To: <200305152350.h4FNoPn28624@mail009.syd.optusnet.com.au>
References: <200305152350.h4FNoPn28624@mail009.syd.optusnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <3412208825.20030516120421@cactus.dk>

Hi Joshua

Welcome to the GUID Club!

First, look up the archives on "Why create a GUID", Dec. 2002.

Second, I did never receive a solution or suggestion to this simple
question: 

<quote>

Now, how can you use the function in a query to update an empty
replication-id field in a Jet table?
Jet SQL uses a strange syntax for GUID:

  = {guid {yourGUIDstring}}

However, this is not valid:

  = {guid GetGUIDString()}

</quote>

This is in essence the same question you have. Any takers?

/gustav


> Further to my post below, I have been playing with GUID's as primary keys and have run into a few problems.

> Firstly, the code "DoCmd.OpenForm "frm_MyForm", , , "theGUID = " & Me.txttheGUID does not work. 

> When I type "?Me.txttheGUID" into the debug window, it returns "???????", same result when I try CStr(me.txttheGUID)

> When I type in "?StringFromGUID(me.txtTheGUID)" it returns "{guid {1612A983-98E4-48CD-A3F1-4CDC78FF69A5}}", which is close, but I would have to then parse out the "{guid{}" section, and if I'm
> looking at doing this throughout the whole db, this could be a major headache.       

> (Interestingly, if I run "DoCmd.OpenForm "frm_MyForm", , , "theGUID = '{1612A983-98E4-48CD-A3F1-4CDC78FF69A5}'" it works perfectly) 

> So I jumped on Google and had a quick look around and came across this http://www.trigeminal.com/usenet/usenet011.asp?1033

> which basically lists all the reasons why its NOT a good idea to use GUID's as primary keys.

> I'm looking at going back to my original idea. (Using a random autonumber, and attaching a time-stamp to the end of that). But I thought I'd throw this back out there for discussion before I go
> ahead.

> ======= At 2003-05-13, 20:16:00 I wrote: =======

>>Group:
>>
>>Hoping someone may have a few ideas on this. I am in the process of setting up specifications for the modification of a clients database. The client has offices in five different locations around
>>the world, and a database that has been shared up until now using Access's in-built replication tool. At the end of each trading day, the database would be sent to the other offices, and they would
>>synchronise. The db has now grown to the size where this is not possible anymore (It weighs in at around 5 megabytes zipped up, and the offices that don't have the luxury of cable are starting to
>>complain). They wish to send only the new and updated records back and forth.
>>
>>Eventually they will be looking at a web-based solution, but this will not be happening for at least a year, if not more.
>>
>>My idea is to time-stamp each record when it is updated (or added), and then use this time stamp to determine which records need to be sent to the other offices. I have been assured that the
>>offices will "never" (I know that thats a dirty word) be working on the same record on the same day, so there will be no need to update on a field-by-field basis, I'll simply overwrite the whole
>>record with the updated information.
>>
>>In the meantime, my main concern with setting this up is how I handle the primary keys for records. Up until now, I have been a firm believer in using an autonumber for a primary key. Of course,
>>this will not be possible in this scenario. When a record is added to the system and sent to all the other offices, the primary keys will have to match, so that my code will be able to match up the
>>updated records when imported at the other end. The best idea I have come up with is to use a random autonumber, and attach a time-stamp to the end of that, and use it as a primary key. For there
>>to be a conflict, it would mean that two offices have generated a duplicate random autonumber at the exact same second. I'm quite happy with the odds of that never happening.
>>
>>I just thought I would throw this in there, with the hope that maybe someone has done something similar in the past. And of course, there is the likely possibility that I am missing some incredibly
>>easy way of doing this.


From subs at solution-providers.ie  Fri May 16 05:29:48 2003
From: subs at solution-providers.ie (Mark L. Breen)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 11:29:48 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
References: 	<E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F57@infoserver01.infostat.local><2835095835.20030514184341@cactus.dk>
	<000f01c31a49$4daf1340$b501010a@DAISY.local>
Message-ID: <00aa01c31b96$bf94cbf0$1b76fea9@D8TZHN0J>

Hello Guys,

In the format, I see you using a backslash after the dd and the mm prior to
the forward slash, I have never seen this done, what is is for?

Mark


----- Original Message -----
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 7:47 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


> >   Format(Date, "MM\/DD\/YYYY")
> > is the one to use. It will never fail.
> Gustav,
>
> I think that
>
> Format(Date, "YYYY\/MM\/DD")
>
> should never fail too.
>
> As for this: Format(Date, "DD\/MM\/YYYY") - as I wrote it will work
> correctly if day number is greater than 12... - of course it CANNOT be
> recommended for use...
>
> And I think that Format(Date, "YYYY\/MM\/DD") is easier to interpret for
> Europeans when they see the result of such formatting in SQL
expressions...
>
> Shamil
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 8:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
>
>
> > Hi Charlotte
> >
> > > I can't help it if what I meant and what I said don't coincide.
Didn't
> > > you see the disclaimer at the bottom of my post?  Oh, yeah, that's
> > > right.  I forgot about the disclaimer.   Hmmn. <VBG>
> >
> > > What I meant was that if you format it, you need to be sure the format
> > > corresponds to a US Date format, which is mm/dd/yyyy.
> >
> > Yes, Shamil, Charlotte is right:
> >
> >   Format(Date, "MM\/DD\/YYYY")
> >
> > is the one to use. It will never fail.
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 7:54 AM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
> >
> >
> > > Hi Charlotte
> >
> > > Oops, Charlotte - totally confused after a hard night's sleep?
> >
> > > /gustav
> >
> >
> > >> That's assuming that the date is being inserted is in US format
> > >> already, as SQL requires.  If you format it, it may no longer be in
US
> > >> format.
> >
> > >> Charlotte Foust
> >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru]
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 2:30 AM
> > >> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
> >
> > >>> You might change your code in Access programming #2 to: db.Execute
> > >>> "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES ( #" &
Date
> >
> > >>> & "#, " & FlagCount & ") " which would show a lack of experience -
> > >>> and
> >
> > >>> then see if they change it to
> > >>> use:
> > >>> ---------------------------
> > >>> Dim strSQL As String
> > >>> strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES (
> > >>> #" & Date & "#, " & FlagCount & ") " db.Execute strSQL
> >
> > >> BTW, both are incorrect - instead of Date you should have used:
> >
> > >> Format(Date, "MM\/DD\/YYYY")
> >
> > >> or
> > >> Format(Date, "YYYY\/MM\/DD")
> >
> > >> even this
> >
> > >> Format(Date, "DD\/MM\/YYYY")
> > >> should work corectly if day number is greater than 12...
> >
> > >> Or was it a kind of trap-test?
> >
> > >> Shamil
> >
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri May 16 05:49:49 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 12:49:49 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
In-Reply-To: <00aa01c31b96$bf94cbf0$1b76fea9@D8TZHN0J>
References: 	<E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F57@infoserver01.infostat.local><2835095835.20030514184341@cactus.dk>
	<000f01c31a49$4daf1340$b501010a@DAISY.local>
	<00aa01c31b96$bf94cbf0$1b76fea9@D8TZHN0J>
Message-ID: <15514936367.20030516124949@cactus.dk>

Hi Mark

That's an (the) escape character telling that the next character must
be understood literally.

If this is not included, the slash is interpreted as the date
separator and Access replace it with the character from your local
setting which often can be a "-" or ".".

/gustav


> In the format, I see you using a backslash after the dd and the mm prior to
> the forward slash, I have never seen this done, what is is for?

> Mark

>> >   Format(Date, "MM\/DD\/YYYY")


From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Fri May 16 05:54:26 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 12:54:26 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
References: 	<E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F57@infoserver01.infostat.local><2835095835.20030514184341@cactus.dk><000f01c31a49$4daf1340$b501010a@DAISY.local>
	<00aa01c31b96$bf94cbf0$1b76fea9@D8TZHN0J>
Message-ID: <071001c31b99$961c7720$0300a8c0@S856>

this causes the next character (/) to be a text character
Lembit Soobik

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark L. Breen" <subs at solution-providers.ie>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Technical test for developers


> Hello Guys,
> 
> In the format, I see you using a backslash after the dd and the mm prior to
> the forward slash, I have never seen this done, what is is for?
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 7:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
> 
> 
> > >   Format(Date, "MM\/DD\/YYYY")
> > > is the one to use. It will never fail.
> > Gustav,
> >
> > I think that
> >
> > Format(Date, "YYYY\/MM\/DD")
> >
> > should never fail too.
> >
> > As for this: Format(Date, "DD\/MM\/YYYY") - as I wrote it will work
> > correctly if day number is greater than 12... - of course it CANNOT be
> > recommended for use...
> >
> > And I think that Format(Date, "YYYY\/MM\/DD") is easier to interpret for
> > Europeans when they see the result of such formatting in SQL
> expressions...
> >
> > Shamil
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 8:43 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
> >
> >
> > > Hi Charlotte
> > >
> > > > I can't help it if what I meant and what I said don't coincide.
> Didn't
> > > > you see the disclaimer at the bottom of my post?  Oh, yeah, that's
> > > > right.  I forgot about the disclaimer.   Hmmn. <VBG>
> > >
> > > > What I meant was that if you format it, you need to be sure the format
> > > > corresponds to a US Date format, which is mm/dd/yyyy.
> > >
> > > Yes, Shamil, Charlotte is right:
> > >
> > >   Format(Date, "MM\/DD\/YYYY")
> > >
> > > is the one to use. It will never fail.
> > >
> > > /gustav
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 7:54 AM
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Charlotte
> > >
> > > > Oops, Charlotte - totally confused after a hard night's sleep?
> > >
> > > > /gustav
> > >
> > >
> > > >> That's assuming that the date is being inserted is in US format
> > > >> already, as SQL requires.  If you format it, it may no longer be in
> US
> > > >> format.
> > >
> > > >> Charlotte Foust
> > >
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru]
> > > >> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 2:30 AM
> > > >> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
> > >
> > > >>> You might change your code in Access programming #2 to: db.Execute
> > > >>> "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES ( #" &
> Date
> > >
> > > >>> & "#, " & FlagCount & ") " which would show a lack of experience -
> > > >>> and
> > >
> > > >>> then see if they change it to
> > > >>> use:
> > > >>> ---------------------------
> > > >>> Dim strSQL As String
> > > >>> strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblUpdateLog (ulDate, ulRecordCount ) VALUES (
> > > >>> #" & Date & "#, " & FlagCount & ") " db.Execute strSQL
> > >
> > > >> BTW, both are incorrect - instead of Date you should have used:
> > >
> > > >> Format(Date, "MM\/DD\/YYYY")
> > >
> > > >> or
> > > >> Format(Date, "YYYY\/MM\/DD")
> > >
> > > >> even this
> > >
> > > >> Format(Date, "DD\/MM\/YYYY")
> > > >> should work corectly if day number is greater than 12...
> > >
> > > >> Or was it a kind of trap-test?
> > >
> > > >> Shamil
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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> >
> 
> 
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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Fri May 16 06:30:39 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 07:30:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] 
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA303331A8@ADGSERVER>

To expand on Charlotte's explanation.  You need to use Property Let instead
of Property Set assuming that you really want to pass in a string.

So your example would be:

Private Property Let clubname(ByVal iname As String) 
	''set the attribute with the supplied name of the club
      mstr_clubname = iname
End Property

HTH,
Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 8:57 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] 


Property Set is used only for objects.  If you are passing in a string,
that string has to be used to instantiate an object, along the lines of
:

Set frm = forms(iname)

Here's a sample from help:

Property Set Pen(P As Object)
    Set CurrentPen = P    ' Assign Pen to object.
End Property

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Bruen [mailto:bbruen at bigpond.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 4:05 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] 


Dear List,

Given the following is as simple as it looks,  can anyone shed any light
on the compile error that it generates?

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
Private mstr_clubname As String

Private Property Set clubname(ByVal iname As String) <<<<----------error
here! ''set the attribute with the supplied name of the club
        Set mstr_clubname = iname
End Property

''returns the value of the clubname attribute
Public Property Get clubname() As String
        clubname = mstr_clubname
End Property


The compile error is "Definitions of property procedures for the same
property are inconsistent or contain optional parameters or a
ParamArray"

Not according to this little black duck!  I've even asked a colleague to
read the help file item on the error and she cant understand a word of
it either, not that I believe it applies in any case.  However, I have
deleted EVERY other pice of code in the class module and the error is
still there.

Tia
Bruce






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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Fri May 16 06:48:01 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 07:48:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85BE9@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Since you're using .NET you don't need variables of your various sub-class object types.  Just use the inheritance you now have available.  If your Car class inherits from the Door class (or vice-versa) you don't need a variable to have access to the inherited class methods and properties, you have direct access to the base class via the inheritance.  This sounds like what you're trying to accomplish, no?

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 9:26 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections


No, I was intending to add all of the Car functionality and properties into
a collection class subclassed (called) car, then add door classes into the
car collection class.  The alternative would be to build a car class, with a
colDoor as collection variable, then add the door classes into colDoor.

Using the first method, Car would have it's properties, color, weight etc.
Plus it would have an add method that accepted objects to add into the built
in collection.  The objects placed in this collection would be door classes.
The problem with doing this is that when referenced in place the syntax
would be deceiving.

Car(1) would actually reference a Door class stored in the collection when
it looks like a reference to some object stored in a car array.

Further if using an iterator, you would use something like:

for each door in car()
next door

Which actually isn't too bad.  However usually you would do something like:

For each door in car.colDoor()
next door

Still a little deceiving.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 8:28 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections


I think your example would more properly require a Door class and a Doors
collection class which you'd subclass into your Car class to provide the
same syntax (Car.Door(1).Handle).

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 8:14 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections


I absolutely understand what you are saying.  My thought was that part of
the functionality of this class was that it had to have a collection, thus
the "having a collection" was one of it's properties.  If I don't do what I
discussed, then I have to add a collection object variable.

However if thought of in terms of naming... let's just make up an example.

Let's call the class I am designing Car, and the objects placed in the
collection as doors.  If I don't use a variable pointing to a collection,
then the syntax to manipulate the doors (in place) would be Car(1).Handle
(for example).  If I use a variable, it would be Car.Door(1).Handle.  From
that perspective, the second (generally used) method is superior since the
first method makes readability obscure.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 7:53 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections


John,

Although it seems like it may be the same difference I think it breaks the
philosophy (if you will) of class development.  If you design your classes
to handle one set of functionality (as class definition normally calls for)
then this would dictate keeping the object and all its methods and
properties and its collection with its methods and properties separate.

Just my opinion but I'd keep them separate (and do).

Jim DeMarco
(from home)

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 5:38 PM
To: AccessD
Cc: VBA
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VBA.Net collections


I am looking at implementing some classes that have defined functionality
and properties.  However the class also needs a collection to hold other
items (instances of a specific class.  I read about the idea of subclassing
a collection to define the object that the collection can hold by overriding
the Add method.  Is there any reason not to just go the whole way and make
the collection class my object class.  IOW, add my methods and properties to
a subclassed collection class, naming the new class to MyObject.

John W. Colby
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From mitsules_ms at nns.com  Fri May 16 07:05:50 2003
From: mitsules_ms at nns.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 08:05:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT HTML Authoring
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E293E3@nnse14.nns.com>

Although I can not give you a review of this product (I use notepad), here
is a link for you.

1st Page 2000
http://www.evrsoft.com/



Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK [mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK] 
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 4:05 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT HTML Authoring


Anyone know of a good simple HTML authoring tool that is free. Must be 
WYSIWYG. I am looking at free tools for students to use. Oh and cannot be 
Netscape.

Martin
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From COUTTSW at rjrt.com  Fri May 16 07:11:25 2003
From: COUTTSW at rjrt.com (Coutts, Welford L.)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 08:11:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro
Message-ID: <1731B69D9D03DB49881574BBECDE6CAC071F74@wsmailp1.rjr.com>

Dan,
 
I'll give it a try.  However, I'm having to educate myself on my own time since on my job assignments,
management wants me to continue using the tools which I have demonstrated I can produce
effective and efficient results.  So it may some time before I'm far enough into the book to do an adequate
evaluation.
 
Welford
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 9:26 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro


Welford,
 
This sounded very interesting so I looked at the reader comments on Amazon.  Two were very positive, two were very negative, and one
was from the author himself.  So, by reading those comments, I am confused by what the book offers.
 
Once you've had a chance to get into this book thoroughly, could you post a 'Book Report' for everyone on the list?  
 
Thanks!
Dan Waters
 

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Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 5:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro


Mark,
If you're starting with a background of Access/VBA/VB, as I am, you might take a look at    
"Programming Microsoft Visual Basic .NET for Microsoft Access Databases".
I just received it on Monday, and so far It is looking like what I need.  I had it shipped from
bookpool.com for $36.50 + shipping (lists for $59.99).  It is published by Microsoft Press 
and it's author is Rick Dobson.  ( ISBN 0-7356-1819-4 )
 
HTH
Welford Coutts

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 4:07 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro



I've noticed that Visual Studio.net has been a topic of discussion on this list recently.

I'm just beginning to dive into it, and am curious if anyone can recommend a good place to start learning.

Is there a preferred book or website that demonstrates how to create a simple .net application?  I am looking into asp.net, as I
want to start developing web applications that connect to SQL2K.

Any direction is greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks,

Mark Boyd

Sr. Systems Analyst

McBee Associates, Inc.

 



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From reische at mdh.org  Fri May 16 07:22:02 2003
From: reische at mdh.org (Reische, Brenda L.)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 07:22:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT HTML Authoring
Message-ID: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B48C86E3A@NEWMAN_EXC>

Html-kit is really nice

http://www.chami.com/html-kit/

Brenda Reische
Application Support Analyst
McDonough District Hospital

-----Original Message-----
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK [mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK] 
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 3:05 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT HTML Authoring

Anyone know of a good simple HTML authoring tool that is free. Must be 
WYSIWYG. I am looking at free tools for students to use. Oh and cannot be 
Netscape.

Martin
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May 16 07:34:18 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 08:34:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Humor
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEGJDMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

What is the difference between a hormone and a vitamin?  
You can't hear a vitamin.

How many Californians does it take to screw in a light bulb?
Don't be ridiculous, Californians screw in hot tubs.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


From Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK  Fri May 16 07:37:50 2003
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK (Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 13:37:50 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT HTML Authoring
In-Reply-To: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E293E3@nnse14.nns.com>
References: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E293E3@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <1053088670.3ec4db9e22f8e@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

Thanks MArk. Tried that and it seems to be of the market as the downloads dont 
work.

Anyone know if the editor that came with IE is still available??

Martin

Quoting "Mitsules, Mark" <mitsules_ms at nns.com>:

> Although I can not give you a review of this product (I use notepad),
> here
> is a link for you.
> 
> 1st Page 2000
> http://www.evrsoft.com/
> 
> 
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
> [mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK] 
> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 4:05 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT HTML Authoring
> 
> 
> Anyone know of a good simple HTML authoring tool that is free. Must be
> 
> WYSIWYG. I am looking at free tools for students to use. Oh and cannot
> be 
> Netscape.
> 
> Martin
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From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca  Fri May 16 07:44:57 2003
From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 08:44:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT HTML Authoring
Message-ID: <sec4a512.056@cbc.ca>

It's great but not WYSIWYG.

I used to use it before I got hooked on Dreamweaver.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

>>> mitsules_ms at nns.com 16-May-03 8:05:50 AM >>>
Although I can not give you a review of this product (I use notepad), here
is a link for you.

1st Page 2000
http://www.evrsoft.com/ 



Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK [mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK] 
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 4:05 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] OT HTML Authoring


Anyone know of a good simple HTML authoring tool that is free. Must be 
WYSIWYG. I am looking at free tools for students to use. Oh and cannot be 
Netscape.

Martin



From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca  Fri May 16 07:53:20 2003
From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 08:53:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT HTML Authoring
Message-ID: <sec4a70f.074@cbc.ca>

Found a download site for it.

http://economia.unipv.it/download/download/applicazioni/testo%20e%20web/files/1stpage2.zip

But it's not WYSWIG. There is a preview mode, but you edit the actual code.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

>>> Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK 16-May-03 8:37:50 AM >>>
Thanks MArk. Tried that and it seems to be of the market as the downloads dont 
work.

Anyone know if the editor that came with IE is still available??




From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Fri May 16 08:09:31 2003
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 08:09:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 
Message-ID: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB2338C795@TAPPEEXCH01>

Bryan,
They CAN be different (at least in VB, I haven't tried it in Access).
If you want a property that is read only to code outside of your class, you
make the Set (or Let) statement Private, and the Get statement Public.


-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca]
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 7:18 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] 


On 16 May 2003 at 10:05, Bruce Bruen wrote:

> Private Property Set clubname(ByVal iname As String)

> Public Property Get clubname() As String

Bruce,

Your Property Set is Private while your Property Get is public.

They can't be different. So you need to change one or the other.

--
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri May 16 08:30:38 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 15:30:38 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT HTML Authoring
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Hi Brenda

Looks nice but at USD 55.00 it isn't exactly free ...

/gustav


> Html-kit is really nice

> http://www.chami.com/html-kit/


From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca  Fri May 16 08:56:03 2003
From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 09:56:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD]
Message-ID: <sec4b5b7.038@cbc.ca>

You're right.

That should tell you how long it has been since I have done any Access Development.

PHP WebDev has been consuming my time these days.

Sigh.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca 

>>> BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com 16-May-03 9:09:31 AM >>>
Bryan,
They CAN be different (at least in VB, I haven't tried it in Access).
If you want a property that is read only to code outside of your class, you
make the Set (or Let) statement Private, and the Get statement Public.


-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca] 
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 7:18 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] 


On 16 May 2003 at 10:05, Bruce Bruen wrote:

> Private Property Set clubname(ByVal iname As String)

> Public Property Get clubname() As String

Bruce,

Your Property Set is Private while your Property Get is public.

They can't be different. So you need to change one or the other.

--
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From reische at mdh.org  Fri May 16 09:19:09 2003
From: reische at mdh.org (Reische, Brenda L.)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 09:19:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT HTML Authoring
Message-ID: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B48C86E3E@NEWMAN_EXC>

Gustav,

>From what I thought, the standard version (which is VERY nice) is free...

I have sent Chami an email to clarify the price / free issue.  I'll let you
know when he replies.

I guess since I've had it for a couple of years, I've always had a beta
version...

Brenda

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 8:31 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT HTML Authoring

Hi Brenda

Looks nice but at USD 55.00 it isn't exactly free ...

/gustav


> Html-kit is really nice

> http://www.chami.com/html-kit/

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri May 16 09:25:04 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 09:25:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro
In-Reply-To: <1731B69D9D03DB49881574BBECDE6CAC071F74@wsmailp1.rjr.com>
Message-ID: <002a01c31bb6$f47daa60$de1811d8@DanWaters>

No problem!
 
Since I'm just about to try to upsize an Access database to an ADP for the
first time, it will be quite a while before I'm ready to tackle .NET.
 
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Coutts, Welford
L.
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 6:11 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro


Dan,
 
I'll give it a try.  However, I'm having to educate myself on my own time
since on my job assignments,
management wants me to continue using the tools which I have demonstrated I
can produce
effective and efficient results.  So it may some time before I'm far enough
into the book to do an adequate
evaluation.
 
Welford
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Waters [mailto:dwaters at usinternet.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 9:26 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro


Welford,
 
This sounded very interesting so I looked at the reader comments on Amazon.
Two were very positive, two were very negative, and one was from the author
himself.  So, by reading those comments, I am confused by what the book
offers.
 
Once you've had a chance to get into this book thoroughly, could you post a
'Book Report' for everyone on the list?  
 
Thanks!
Dan Waters
 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Coutts, Welford
L.
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 5:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro


Mark,
If you're starting with a background of Access/VBA/VB, as I am, you might
take a look at    
"Programming Microsoft Visual Basic .NET for Microsoft Access Databases".
I just received it on Monday, and so far It is looking like what I need.  I
had it shipped from
bookpool.com for $36.50 + shipping (lists for $59.99).  It is published by
Microsoft Press 
and it's author is Rick Dobson.  ( ISBN 0-7356-1819-4 )
 
HTH
Welford Coutts

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Boyd [mailto:MarkBoyd at mcbeeassociates.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 4:07 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro



I've noticed that Visual Studio.net has been a topic of discussion on this
list recently.

I'm just beginning to dive into it, and am curious if anyone can recommend a
good place to start learning.

Is there a preferred book or website that demonstrates how to create a
simple .net application?  I am looking into asp.net, as I want to start
developing web applications that connect to SQL2K.

Any direction is greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks,

Mark Boyd

Sr. Systems Analyst

McBee Associates, Inc.

 



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From reische at mdh.org  Fri May 16 09:51:09 2003
From: reische at mdh.org (Reische, Brenda L.)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 09:51:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT HTML Authoring
Message-ID: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B48C86E3F@NEWMAN_EXC>


Hi Brenda,

The standard version of HTML-Kit is free under the Personal License, which
basically means that the person who will be using it has to visit the
HTML-Kit site, read/accept the Personal license, download and install it on
his/her home/school/work computer. Redistribution and/or mass installation
is not permitted under this license, so in a classroom setting what that
means is that the individual students have to follow the above steps and
install it on the class computers at the beginning of the course to qualfy
for the Personal license. But if the school (not the individual students)
wants to install it in the classrooms, that would require a multi-seat
educational license.

The registration includes a few extras such as the table designer
(http://www.chami.com/html-kit/pro/), but the above is the main difference
in your case. Please let me know if you have any other questions.

Regards,
HTML-Kit Support
http://www.chami.com/html-kit/support/


-----Original Message-----
From: Reische, Brenda L. [mailto:reische at mdh.org]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 9:06 AM
To: 'html-kit at chamisplace.Com'
Subject: Free or $55 ??


Is the standard version of HTML-Kit free, or is it shareware with a $55
registration if the user it likes and decides to use it?



I have been recommending your software and sending people the link to your
web site to get their own copy, and wanted to make sure I have the story
straight as far as price before I misspeak.



You have a very nice product.  It is worth $55, that's not the issue --
just wanted to make sure I don't mislead this friend of mine when I
suggest that his students use HTML-Kit as a free editor when it's not really
free.



Thanks in advance,



Brenda Reische

Application Support Analyst

McDonough District Hospital

525 E Grant Macomb, IL 61455

309.833.4101 www.mdh.org



From bbruen at bigpond.com  Fri May 16 10:05:13 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 01:05:13 +1000
Subject: [AccessD]
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Message-ID: <000001c31bbc$8fda35f0$7300a8c0@bbb888>

Doh! (Bashes head against keyboard repeatedly) Doh! Doh!

Thanks folks,  I should have been looking at the code - NOT the error
message.  

However, re Bryan's comment - why can't the attribute value setting code
be private - fundamentally it's an attribute that <u>cannot</u> be
updated via this interface, but it does need to be visible to users of
the class.  In this case the clubname is retrieved internally in the
class - it is a header for the object.

I don't believe that the public get/private let construct is
syntactically incorrect.  However, is it philosophically incorrect?  I
could just set the class variable directly I suppose, in the class logic
that retrieves the clubname from the database. But surely that gets away
from the idea of a single  update point for the attribute/class
variable.

FYI, the class is intended to support an object which is a list of teams
submitted to a sports league for inclusion in a seasonal competition.
The user can manipulate the list part to their hearts content, adding,
changing, deleting teams until they are happy.  They then use a
"transmit" operation that generates an XML doc of the list and sends
that to the league.  The XML doc is structured as follows:

<XML blahblah>
	<header>
		<Sender name="their_usersname", id="their_digitalsigid"
/>
		<Club name="the clubname of the users club" />
	</header>
	<teamlist>
		<team name="PigRooters" grade="veterans" />
		<team name="Assassins" grade="Under8" />
		... Etc
	</teamlist>
</XML blahblah>

So, that is the reason the clubname is readonly for this particular
interface, we don't want users having any chance of changing the club
identifier (the club name).

Anyway, thanks again for taking the time to point out the obvious error.

Rgrds
Bruce
		

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 10:37 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD]


Could it be from using Set to assign a String?  Try using a Property Let
instead (without the Set statement).

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Bruen [mailto:bbruen at bigpond.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 8:05 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] 


Dear List,

Given the following is as simple as it looks,  can anyone shed any light
on the compile error that it generates?

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
Private mstr_clubname As String

Private Property Set clubname(ByVal iname As String) <<<<----------error
here! ''set the attribute with the supplied name of the club
        Set mstr_clubname = iname
End Property

''returns the value of the clubname attribute
Public Property Get clubname() As String
        clubname = mstr_clubname
End Property


The compile error is "Definitions of property procedures for the same
property are inconsistent or contain optional parameters or a
ParamArray"

Not according to this little black duck!  I've even asked a colleague to
read the help file item on the error and she cant understand a word of
it either, not that I believe it applies in any case.  However, I have
deleted EVERY other pice of code in the class module and the error is
still there.

Tia
Bruce






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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May 16 10:31:21 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 11:31:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEHADMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Just a heads up for anyone looking for a new box.  Dell is having a sale.
Cheapest I can get is $466:

Dimension 2350 Series
Intel? Pentium? 4 Processor at 2.20GHz with 512K L2 Cache

 Qty: 1
 Price: $539.00

    Date: Friday, May 16, 2003 10:27:05 AM CDT
    Catalog Number: 4 04
Dimension 2350 Series:   Intel? Pentium? 4 Processor at 2.20GHz with 512K L2
Cache   DX2322   [221-1776]
Memory:   128MB DDR-SDRAM   128M   [311-1648]
Keyboard:   Dell? Quietkey? Keyboard   QK   [310-1582]
Monitor:   No Monitor   N   [320-3000]
Video Card:   Integrated Intel? Extreme 3D Graphics   IV   [430-3900]
Hard Drive:   FREE UPGRADE! 60GB Ultra ATA/100 7200RPM Hard Drive   60P
[461-9796]
Floppy Drive and Additional Storage Devices:   No Floppy Drive   NFD
[340-8688]
Operating System:   Microsoft? Windows? XP Professional??   WPXP
[313-7222] [412-0309] [420-1922]
Mouse:   Dell? 2-button scroll mouse   SM   [310-1871]
Network Interface:   Integrated 10/100 Ethernet   IN   [430-0441]
Modem:   No Modem Requested   N   [313-3607]
CD or DVD Drive:   48x Max CD-ROM Drive   CD48   [313-1476]
Sound Card:   Integrated Audio   IS   [313-0847]
Speakers:   No Speaker Option   N   [313-4514]
Bundled Software:   WordPerfect? Productivity Pack with Quicken New User
Edition   COREL   [412-0302]
Security Software:   Dell SecurityCenter by McAfee, 90-day introductory
offer   MCAFE90   [412-0326]
Digital Music:   Dell Jukebox powered by MUSICMATCH   MMBASE   [412-0298]
Digital Photography:   Dell Picture Studio Image Expert Standard   DPS
[412-0271] [412-0273]
Limited Warranty, Services and Support Options:   1 Year Limited Warranty
plus 1 Year On-site Service   AUY111   [412-0360] [900-9054] [950-7960]
Dial-Up Internet Access:   FREE 6 Months of AOL Internet Access   AOLSMB
[412-0371] [412-0368]
Multi-Media Players:   RealOne? Player, with 14 day SuperPass trial
REALBAS   [412-0380]

They show the price as $539 but in the checkout line they subtract $48 for a
coupon - 43C49AB1D6C5 and a $50 "rebate", for a final price of 466.51.  Box
only, no monitor, no floppy, 128mb ram.

Not a bad price!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Fri May 16 10:37:14 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 11:37:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85BEF@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Yes it's a good idea to keep an eye on Dell and Gateway.  They're both pumping out low cost machines.  The configurations change frequently too so if you don't like what they're offering check back.  I just got a P4 (I think 2.0 GHz) with free upgrades to 256MB RAM, 30 GB HD (small but I can upgrade it cheaply if necessary) and 19" monitor for $599 after $100 rebate - $100 to ship though :-(.

Jim DeMarco



-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 11:31 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale


Just a heads up for anyone looking for a new box.  Dell is having a sale.
Cheapest I can get is $466:

Dimension 2350 Series
Intel? Pentium? 4 Processor at 2.20GHz with 512K L2 Cache

 Qty: 1
 Price: $539.00

    Date: Friday, May 16, 2003 10:27:05 AM CDT
    Catalog Number: 4 04
Dimension 2350 Series:   Intel? Pentium? 4 Processor at 2.20GHz with 512K L2
Cache   DX2322   [221-1776]
Memory:   128MB DDR-SDRAM   128M   [311-1648]
Keyboard:   Dell? Quietkey? Keyboard   QK   [310-1582]
Monitor:   No Monitor   N   [320-3000]
Video Card:   Integrated Intel? Extreme 3D Graphics   IV   [430-3900]
Hard Drive:   FREE UPGRADE! 60GB Ultra ATA/100 7200RPM Hard Drive   60P
[461-9796]
Floppy Drive and Additional Storage Devices:   No Floppy Drive   NFD
[340-8688]
Operating System:   Microsoft? Windows? XP Professional??   WPXP
[313-7222] [412-0309] [420-1922]
Mouse:   Dell? 2-button scroll mouse   SM   [310-1871]
Network Interface:   Integrated 10/100 Ethernet   IN   [430-0441]
Modem:   No Modem Requested   N   [313-3607]
CD or DVD Drive:   48x Max CD-ROM Drive   CD48   [313-1476]
Sound Card:   Integrated Audio   IS   [313-0847]
Speakers:   No Speaker Option   N   [313-4514]
Bundled Software:   WordPerfect? Productivity Pack with Quicken New User
Edition   COREL   [412-0302]
Security Software:   Dell SecurityCenter by McAfee, 90-day introductory
offer   MCAFE90   [412-0326]
Digital Music:   Dell Jukebox powered by MUSICMATCH   MMBASE   [412-0298]
Digital Photography:   Dell Picture Studio Image Expert Standard   DPS
[412-0271] [412-0273]
Limited Warranty, Services and Support Options:   1 Year Limited Warranty
plus 1 Year On-site Service   AUY111   [412-0360] [900-9054] [950-7960]
Dial-Up Internet Access:   FREE 6 Months of AOL Internet Access   AOLSMB
[412-0371] [412-0368]
Multi-Media Players:   RealOne(tm) Player, with 14 day SuperPass trial
REALBAS   [412-0380]

They show the price as $539 but in the checkout line they subtract $48 for a
coupon - 43C49AB1D6C5 and a $50 "rebate", for a final price of 466.51.  Box
only, no monitor, no floppy, 128mb ram.

Not a bad price!

John W. Colby
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From delliker at hotmail.com  Fri May 16 11:00:03 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 12:00:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale
Message-ID: <Law12-F22pj5vqt5xv500023bc8@hotmail.com>

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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Fri May 16 11:52:29 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 11:52:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale
Message-ID: <BAY2-F26eabpAprqFpy00002dd7@hotmail.com>

And with Windows XP Pro even. Amazing.  I guess it might finally be time to 
retire my PII-400 box.

Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com



>From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale
>Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 11:31:21 -0400
>
>Just a heads up for anyone looking for a new box.  Dell is having a sale.
>Cheapest I can get is $466:
>
>Dimension 2350 Series
>Intel? Pentium? 4 Processor at 2.20GHz with 512K L2 Cache
>
>  Qty: 1
>  Price: $539.00
>
>     Date: Friday, May 16, 2003 10:27:05 AM CDT
>     Catalog Number: 4 04
>Dimension 2350 Series:   Intel? Pentium? 4 Processor at 2.20GHz with 512K 
>L2
>Cache   DX2322   [221-1776]
>Memory:   128MB DDR-SDRAM   128M   [311-1648]
>Keyboard:   Dell? Quietkey? Keyboard   QK   [310-1582]
>Monitor:   No Monitor   N   [320-3000]
>Video Card:   Integrated Intel? Extreme 3D Graphics   IV   [430-3900]
>Hard Drive:   FREE UPGRADE! 60GB Ultra ATA/100 7200RPM Hard Drive   60P
>[461-9796]
>Floppy Drive and Additional Storage Devices:   No Floppy Drive   NFD
>[340-8688]
>Operating System:   Microsoft? Windows? XP Professional??   WPXP
>[313-7222] [412-0309] [420-1922]
>Mouse:   Dell? 2-button scroll mouse   SM   [310-1871]
>Network Interface:   Integrated 10/100 Ethernet   IN   [430-0441]
>Modem:   No Modem Requested   N   [313-3607]
>CD or DVD Drive:   48x Max CD-ROM Drive   CD48   [313-1476]
>Sound Card:   Integrated Audio   IS   [313-0847]
>Speakers:   No Speaker Option   N   [313-4514]
>Bundled Software:   WordPerfect? Productivity Pack with Quicken New User
>Edition   COREL   [412-0302]
>Security Software:   Dell SecurityCenter by McAfee, 90-day introductory
>offer   MCAFE90   [412-0326]
>Digital Music:   Dell Jukebox powered by MUSICMATCH   MMBASE   [412-0298]
>Digital Photography:   Dell Picture Studio Image Expert Standard   DPS
>[412-0271] [412-0273]
>Limited Warranty, Services and Support Options:   1 Year Limited Warranty
>plus 1 Year On-site Service   AUY111   [412-0360] [900-9054] [950-7960]
>Dial-Up Internet Access:   FREE 6 Months of AOL Internet Access   AOLSMB
>[412-0371] [412-0368]
>Multi-Media Players:   RealOne? Player, with 14 day SuperPass trial
>REALBAS   [412-0380]
>
>They show the price as $539 but in the checkout line they subtract $48 for 
>a
>coupon - 43C49AB1D6C5 and a $50 "rebate", for a final price of 466.51.  Box
>only, no monitor, no floppy, 128mb ram.
>
>Not a bad price!
>
>John W. Colby
>www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Fri May 16 13:06:47 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 11:06:47 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEHADMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00c701c31bd5$eaf5b0e0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

I wish you wouldn't do that John.  I need another computer like a third leg.
But so hard not to get one at these prices. And they keep sending me these
catalogs and emails.  The damn stuff is essentially free at this point.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 8:31 AM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale


> Just a heads up for anyone looking for a new box.  Dell is having a sale.
> Cheapest I can get is $466:
>
> Dimension 2350 Series
> Intel? Pentium? 4 Processor at 2.20GHz with 512K L2 Cache
>
>  Qty: 1
>  Price: $539.00
>
>     Date: Friday, May 16, 2003 10:27:05 AM CDT
>     Catalog Number: 4 04
> Dimension 2350 Series:   Intel? Pentium? 4 Processor at 2.20GHz with 512K
L2
> Cache   DX2322   [221-1776]
> Memory:   128MB DDR-SDRAM   128M   [311-1648]
> Keyboard:   Dell? Quietkey? Keyboard   QK   [310-1582]
> Monitor:   No Monitor   N   [320-3000]
> Video Card:   Integrated Intel? Extreme 3D Graphics   IV   [430-3900]
> Hard Drive:   FREE UPGRADE! 60GB Ultra ATA/100 7200RPM Hard Drive   60P
> [461-9796]
> Floppy Drive and Additional Storage Devices:   No Floppy Drive   NFD
> [340-8688]
> Operating System:   Microsoft? Windows? XP Professional??   WPXP
> [313-7222] [412-0309] [420-1922]
> Mouse:   Dell? 2-button scroll mouse   SM   [310-1871]
> Network Interface:   Integrated 10/100 Ethernet   IN   [430-0441]
> Modem:   No Modem Requested   N   [313-3607]
> CD or DVD Drive:   48x Max CD-ROM Drive   CD48   [313-1476]
> Sound Card:   Integrated Audio   IS   [313-0847]
> Speakers:   No Speaker Option   N   [313-4514]
> Bundled Software:   WordPerfect? Productivity Pack with Quicken New User
> Edition   COREL   [412-0302]
> Security Software:   Dell SecurityCenter by McAfee, 90-day introductory
> offer   MCAFE90   [412-0326]
> Digital Music:   Dell Jukebox powered by MUSICMATCH   MMBASE   [412-0298]
> Digital Photography:   Dell Picture Studio Image Expert Standard   DPS
> [412-0271] [412-0273]
> Limited Warranty, Services and Support Options:   1 Year Limited Warranty
> plus 1 Year On-site Service   AUY111   [412-0360] [900-9054] [950-7960]
> Dial-Up Internet Access:   FREE 6 Months of AOL Internet Access   AOLSMB
> [412-0371] [412-0368]
> Multi-Media Players:   RealOneT Player, with 14 day SuperPass trial
> REALBAS   [412-0380]
>
> They show the price as $539 but in the checkout line they subtract $48 for
a
> coupon - 43C49AB1D6C5 and a $50 "rebate", for a final price of 466.51.
Box
> only, no monitor, no floppy, 128mb ram.
>
> Not a bad price!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May 16 13:25:55 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 14:25:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale
In-Reply-To: <00c701c31bd5$eaf5b0e0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEHGDMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I know what you mean.  I have an old dual PII 233 that I use as my server.
But for $460 delivered to my door it's hard not to think about upgrading.
But it doesn't need more power.  But it's soooo cheap.  But I don't need it.
But...

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin -
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 2:07 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale


I wish you wouldn't do that John.  I need another computer like a third leg.
But so hard not to get one at these prices. And they keep sending me these
catalogs and emails.  The damn stuff is essentially free at this point.

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 8:31 AM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale


> Just a heads up for anyone looking for a new box.  Dell is having a sale.
> Cheapest I can get is $466:
>
> Dimension 2350 Series
> Intel? Pentium? 4 Processor at 2.20GHz with 512K L2 Cache
>
>  Qty: 1
>  Price: $539.00
>
>     Date: Friday, May 16, 2003 10:27:05 AM CDT
>     Catalog Number: 4 04
> Dimension 2350 Series:   Intel? Pentium? 4 Processor at 2.20GHz with 512K
L2
> Cache   DX2322   [221-1776]
> Memory:   128MB DDR-SDRAM   128M   [311-1648]
> Keyboard:   Dell? Quietkey? Keyboard   QK   [310-1582]
> Monitor:   No Monitor   N   [320-3000]
> Video Card:   Integrated Intel? Extreme 3D Graphics   IV   [430-3900]
> Hard Drive:   FREE UPGRADE! 60GB Ultra ATA/100 7200RPM Hard Drive   60P
> [461-9796]
> Floppy Drive and Additional Storage Devices:   No Floppy Drive   NFD
> [340-8688]
> Operating System:   Microsoft? Windows? XP Professional??   WPXP
> [313-7222] [412-0309] [420-1922]
> Mouse:   Dell? 2-button scroll mouse   SM   [310-1871]
> Network Interface:   Integrated 10/100 Ethernet   IN   [430-0441]
> Modem:   No Modem Requested   N   [313-3607]
> CD or DVD Drive:   48x Max CD-ROM Drive   CD48   [313-1476]
> Sound Card:   Integrated Audio   IS   [313-0847]
> Speakers:   No Speaker Option   N   [313-4514]
> Bundled Software:   WordPerfect? Productivity Pack with Quicken New User
> Edition   COREL   [412-0302]
> Security Software:   Dell SecurityCenter by McAfee, 90-day introductory
> offer   MCAFE90   [412-0326]
> Digital Music:   Dell Jukebox powered by MUSICMATCH   MMBASE   [412-0298]
> Digital Photography:   Dell Picture Studio Image Expert Standard   DPS
> [412-0271] [412-0273]
> Limited Warranty, Services and Support Options:   1 Year Limited Warranty
> plus 1 Year On-site Service   AUY111   [412-0360] [900-9054] [950-7960]
> Dial-Up Internet Access:   FREE 6 Months of AOL Internet Access   AOLSMB
> [412-0371] [412-0368]
> Multi-Media Players:   RealOneT Player, with 14 day SuperPass trial
> REALBAS   [412-0380]
>
> They show the price as $539 but in the checkout line they subtract $48 for
a
> coupon - 43C49AB1D6C5 and a $50 "rebate", for a final price of 466.51.
Box
> only, no monitor, no floppy, 128mb ram.
>
> Not a bad price!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK  Fri May 16 12:55:14 2003
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK (Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 18:55:14 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT HTML Authoring
In-Reply-To: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B48C86E3F@NEWMAN_EXC>
References: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B48C86E3F@NEWMAN_EXC>
Message-ID: <1053107714.3ec526023ba96@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

I need to install it on almost 4,000 PCs. So it has to be free.

Martin

Quoting "Reische, Brenda L." <reische at mdh.org>:

> 
> Hi Brenda,
> 
> The standard version of HTML-Kit is free under the Personal License,
> which
> basically means that the person who will be using it has to visit the
> HTML-Kit site, read/accept the Personal license, download and install it
> on
> his/her home/school/work computer. Redistribution and/or mass
> installation
> is not permitted under this license, so in a classroom setting what
> that
> means is that the individual students have to follow the above steps
> and
> install it on the class computers at the beginning of the course to
> qualfy
> for the Personal license. But if the school (not the individual
> students)
> wants to install it in the classrooms, that would require a multi-seat
> educational license.
> 
> The registration includes a few extras such as the table designer
> (http://www.chami.com/html-kit/pro/), but the above is the main
> difference
> in your case. Please let me know if you have any other questions.
> 
> Regards,
> HTML-Kit Support
> http://www.chami.com/html-kit/support/
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Reische, Brenda L. [mailto:reische at mdh.org]
> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 9:06 AM
> To: 'html-kit at chamisplace.Com'
> Subject: Free or $55 ??
> 
> 
> Is the standard version of HTML-Kit free, or is it shareware with a
> $55
> registration if the user it likes and decides to use it?
> 
> 
> 
> I have been recommending your software and sending people the link to
> your
> web site to get their own copy, and wanted to make sure I have the
> story
> straight as far as price before I misspeak.
> 
> 
> 
> You have a very nice product.  It is worth $55, that's not the issue
> --
> just wanted to make sure I don't mislead this friend of mine when I
> suggest that his students use HTML-Kit as a free editor when it's not
> really
> free.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> 
> 
> Brenda Reische
> 
> Application Support Analyst
> 
> McDonough District Hospital
> 
> 525 E Grant Macomb, IL 61455
> 
> 309.833.4101 www.mdh.org
> 
> 
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From todd_5036 at msn.com  Fri May 16 13:29:04 2003
From: todd_5036 at msn.com (Todd Buttrey)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 13:29:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale
Message-ID: <BAY4-F26XKp3PuZ91Bo0002bd4f@hotmail.com>

You don't need a third leg?


----Original Message Follows----
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 11:06:47 -0700

I wish you wouldn't do that John.  I need another computer like a third leg.
But so hard not to get one at these prices. And they keep sending me these
catalogs and emails.  The damn stuff is essentially free at this point.

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "AccessD" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 8:31 AM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale


 > Just a heads up for anyone looking for a new box.  Dell is having a sale.
 > Cheapest I can get is $466:
 >
 > Dimension 2350 Series
 > Intel? Pentium? 4 Processor at 2.20GHz with 512K L2 Cache
 >
 >  Qty: 1
 >  Price: $539.00
 >
 >     Date: Friday, May 16, 2003 10:27:05 AM CDT
 >     Catalog Number: 4 04
 > Dimension 2350 Series:   Intel? Pentium? 4 Processor at 2.20GHz with 512K
L2
 > Cache   DX2322   [221-1776]
 > Memory:   128MB DDR-SDRAM   128M   [311-1648]
 > Keyboard:   Dell? Quietkey? Keyboard   QK   [310-1582]
 > Monitor:   No Monitor   N   [320-3000]
 > Video Card:   Integrated Intel? Extreme 3D Graphics   IV   [430-3900]
 > Hard Drive:   FREE UPGRADE! 60GB Ultra ATA/100 7200RPM Hard Drive   60P
 > [461-9796]
 > Floppy Drive and Additional Storage Devices:   No Floppy Drive   NFD
 > [340-8688]
 > Operating System:   Microsoft? Windows? XP Professional??   WPXP
 > [313-7222] [412-0309] [420-1922]
 > Mouse:   Dell? 2-button scroll mouse   SM   [310-1871]
 > Network Interface:   Integrated 10/100 Ethernet   IN   [430-0441]
 > Modem:   No Modem Requested   N   [313-3607]
 > CD or DVD Drive:   48x Max CD-ROM Drive   CD48   [313-1476]
 > Sound Card:   Integrated Audio   IS   [313-0847]
 > Speakers:   No Speaker Option   N   [313-4514]
 > Bundled Software:   WordPerfect? Productivity Pack with Quicken New User
 > Edition   COREL   [412-0302]
 > Security Software:   Dell SecurityCenter by McAfee, 90-day introductory
 > offer   MCAFE90   [412-0326]
 > Digital Music:   Dell Jukebox powered by MUSICMATCH   MMBASE   [412-0298]
 > Digital Photography:   Dell Picture Studio Image Expert Standard   DPS
 > [412-0271] [412-0273]
 > Limited Warranty, Services and Support Options:   1 Year Limited Warranty
 > plus 1 Year On-site Service   AUY111   [412-0360] [900-9054] [950-7960]
 > Dial-Up Internet Access:   FREE 6 Months of AOL Internet Access   AOLSMB
 > [412-0371] [412-0368]
 > Multi-Media Players:   RealOneT Player, with 14 day SuperPass trial
 > REALBAS   [412-0380]
 >
 > They show the price as $539 but in the checkout line they subtract $48 
for
a
 > coupon - 43C49AB1D6C5 and a $50 "rebate", for a final price of 466.51.
Box
 > only, no monitor, no floppy, 128mb ram.
 >
 > Not a bad price!
 >
 > John W. Colby
 > www.colbyconsulting.com
 >
 >
 > _______________________________________________
 > AccessD mailing list
 > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
 > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
 > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


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From jscott at mchsi.com  Fri May 16 13:29:52 2003
From: jscott at mchsi.com (jscott at mchsi.com)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 18:29:52 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Question
Message-ID: <200305161829.h4GITng27436@databaseadvisors.com>

Can anyone tell me why when I use an inner join on the below query I get 
records back from Table A and Table B but when I use a left join I get no 
records from Table B - even though they appeared when I used the inner join. In 
other words:

Record 1 exists in both Table A and Table B. Using an inner join I get Record 1
Using a left join brings me back no records!

I need to return the records like this

Record 1 exists in both tables - returns record 1 using left outer join
Record 2 only exists in Table A - returns record 2 using left outer join

I've written left joins thousands of times - what is so different about this 
time???

SQL using Left Join
SELECT tblCompany.CoID, qrySubmits_CollectingCoMaxSubmit.MaxOfSubmittedDt, 
qrySubmits_CollectingCoMaxSubmit.CollectingCoID
FROM tblCompany LEFT JOIN qrySubmits_CollectingCoMaxSubmit ON tblCompany.CoID = 
qrySubmits_CollectingCoMaxSubmit.CollectingCoID;

SQL using Inner Join
SELECT tblCompany.CoID, qrySubmits_CollectingCoMaxSubmit.MaxOfSubmittedDt, 
qrySubmits_CollectingCoMaxSubmit.CollectingCoID
FROM tblCompany INNER JOIN qrySubmits_CollectingCoMaxSubmit ON tblCompany.CoID 
= qrySubmits_CollectingCoMaxSubmit.CollectingCoID;

Thanks!!
Jeanine






From gustav at cactus.dk  Fri May 16 13:52:14 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 20:52:14 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT HTML Authoring
In-Reply-To: <1053107714.3ec526023ba96@hosea.qub.ac.uk>
References: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B48C86E3F@NEWMAN_EXC>
 <1053107714.3ec526023ba96@hosea.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <5043881688.20030516205214@cactus.dk>

Hi Martin

Here are a few links:

http://www.worldssp.net/detailview.asp?proid=5380

http://www.webattack.com/freeware/webpublish/fwwysiwyg.shtml

http://www.netandmore.de/faq/fom-serve/cache/740.html

/gustav


> I need to install it on almost 4,000 PCs. So it has to be free.


From keysolns at lantic.net  Fri May 16 13:02:09 2003
From: keysolns at lantic.net (Gary Lockett)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 20:02:09 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT - our website - IE5 users
References: <106340-220035415183825789@christopherhawkins.com>
	<04f601c31b19$f1e2c990$0300a8c0@S856>
Message-ID: <041c01c31bdc$f322b900$0101a8c0@office>

I have already been in contact with Jim regarding this issue. I have IE5 and
am not able to view the site at all. I upgraded to IE6 on one of my other
computers and am now able to view the site properly. I would appreciate it
if a solution can be found for IE5.

Gary Lockett

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lembit Soobik" <Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 9:40 PM
Subject: [AccessD] OT - our website - IE5 users


Friends,
we have a little problem with our website:
(some?) IE5 users cannot see part of the website.
unfortunately the website developers do not have IE5 any more,
so would those who have IE5 please check it out
www.databaseadvisors.com
and if you find something not ok, please inform
Jim Lawrence at accessd at shaw.ca
thank you for your help
Lembit

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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Fri May 16 14:43:54 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 15:43:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD]
In-Reply-To: <000001c31bbc$8fda35f0$7300a8c0@bbb888>
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85BE8@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <3EC5073A.25627.1CE0BD@localhost>

On 17 May 2003 at 1:05, Bruce Bruen wrote:

> However, re Bryan's comment - why can't the attribute value setting
> code be private - fundamentally it's an attribute that <u>cannot</u>
> be updated via this interface, but it does need to be visible to users
> of the class.  In this case the clubname is retrieved internally in
> the class - it is a header for the object.
> 
> I don't believe that the public get/private let construct is
> syntactically incorrect.  However, is it philosophically incorrect?  I

It's not. I made a boo-boo.

All VB(A) programming has taken a back seat for me these days. PHP is 
what I've been doing recently, so chalk it up to brain freeze.

Doh! (Bashes head against keyboard repeatedly) Doh! Doh! :)

Sorry 'bout that.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Every time I close the door on reality it comes in through the 
windows.



From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Fri May 16 14:46:19 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 15:46:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT HTML Authoring
In-Reply-To: <1053107714.3ec526023ba96@hosea.qub.ac.uk>
References: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B48C86E3F@NEWMAN_EXC>
Message-ID: <3EC507CB.18742.1F14F3@localhost>

On 16 May 2003 at 18:55, Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK wrote:

> I need to install it on almost 4,000 PCs. So it has to be free.

Do you have licences for Office 2K Pro for those PCs? It comes with, 
(and I can't believe I'm saying this) Front Page.

Is that an option?

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Warning: dates on calendar are closer than they appear.

From Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK  Fri May 16 14:58:20 2003
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK (Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 20:58:20 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT HTML Authoring
In-Reply-To: <3EC507CB.18742.1F14F3@localhost>
References: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B48C86E3F@NEWMAN_EXC>
	<3EC507CB.18742.1F14F3@localhost>
Message-ID: <1053115100.3ec542dc41281@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

Ah there in arose the problem. MS changed the licence for Campus and we cant 
afford to get the FP licences in addition to the thousands of other MS 
licences we need, hence the search for a free editor for installing in Student 
Computer Centres.

We use Dreamweaver MX for staff and the University sites plus a rather complex 
content management system which we are currently putting in place.

By the way the new version of FrontPage is actualy very good. We can strip FP 
Express out of IE 5 and set up some custom install routines but that still 
leaves very simple problems for the students when they are using it. For 
example the File\New Menu option is disabled. And students are very simple 
people (<:

Martin


Quoting Bryan Carbonnell <carbonnb at sympatico.ca>:

> On 16 May 2003 at 18:55, Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK wrote:
> 
> > I need to install it on almost 4,000 PCs. So it has to be free.
> 
> Do you have licences for Office 2K Pro for those PCs? It comes with, 
> (and I can't believe I'm saying this) Front Page.
> 
> Is that an option?
> 
> --
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> Warning: dates on calendar are closer than they appear.
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May 16 15:16:14 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 13:16:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD]
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F7E@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Now I'm thoroughly confused as to whose head is being bashed and why.
You can create private Let and Get properties, although a private Get
seems pointless to me, since it will only be available within the class
module and you don't really need it there except maybe for symmetry.  A
private Let property, on the other hand, could be called and used within
the class itself, so it might be useful.  Now, which one of you was
wrong ... And about what???

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca] 
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 11:44 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD]


On 17 May 2003 at 1:05, Bruce Bruen wrote:

> However, re Bryan's comment - why can't the attribute value setting 
> code be private - fundamentally it's an attribute that <u>cannot</u> 
> be updated via this interface, but it does need to be visible to users

> of the class.  In this case the clubname is retrieved internally in 
> the class - it is a header for the object.
> 
> I don't believe that the public get/private let construct is 
> syntactically incorrect.  However, is it philosophically incorrect?  I

It's not. I made a boo-boo.

All VB(A) programming has taken a back seat for me these days. PHP is 
what I've been doing recently, so chalk it up to brain freeze.

Doh! (Bashes head against keyboard repeatedly) Doh! Doh! :)

Sorry 'bout that.

--
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Every time I close the door on reality it comes in through the 
windows.


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May 16 15:18:55 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 13:18:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F7F@infoserver01.infostat.local>

That's my problem as well.  I don't even own a desktop machine and have no place to put it, but the prices still make me wistful!  I only wish I could find the class of laptop I like for less than around $2000 fully loaded.  Oh, well ...
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
	Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 8:00 AM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale
	
	

	They are still pricey on the laptops though -that's what I want ...and wireless!! then I can get rid of this 'home office', waste of space , concept.
	_d
	

	"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." 
	
	>From: "Jim DeMarco" 
	>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
	>To: 
	>Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale 
	>Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 11:37:14 -0400 
	> 
	>Yes it's a good idea to keep an eye on Dell and Gateway. They're both pumping out low cost machines. The configurations change frequently too so if you don't like what they're offering check back. I just got a P4 (I think 2.0 GHz) with free upgrades to 256MB RAM, 30 GB HD (small but I can upgrade it cheaply if necessary) and 19" monitor for $599 after $100 rebate - $100 to ship though :-(. 
	> 
	>Jim DeMarco 
	> 
	> 
	> 
	>-----Original Message----- 
	>From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
	>Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 11:31 AM 
	>To: AccessD 
	>Subject: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale 
	> 
	> 
	>Just a heads up for anyone looking for a new box. Dell is having a sale. 
	>Cheapest I can get is $466: 
	> 
	>Dimension 2350 Series 
	>Intel? Pentium? 4 Processor at 2.20GHz with 512K L2 Cache 
	> 
	> Qty: 1 
	> Price: $539.00 
	> 
	> Date: Friday, May 16, 2003 10:27:05 AM CDT 
	> Catalog Number: 4 04 
	>Dimension 2350 Series: Intel? Pentium? 4 Processor at 2.20GHz with 512K L2 
	>Cache DX2322 [221-1776] 
	>Memory: 128MB DDR-SDRAM 128M [311-1648] 
	>Keyboard: Dell? Quietkey? Keyboard QK [310-1582] 
	>Monitor: No Monitor N [320-3000] 
	>Video Card: Integrated Intel? Extreme 3D Graphics IV [430-3900] 
	>Hard Drive: FREE UPGRADE! 60GB Ultra ATA/100 7200RPM Hard Drive 60P 
	>[461-9796] 
	>Floppy Drive and Additional Storage Devices: No Floppy Drive NFD 
	>[340-8688] 
	>Operating System: Microsoft? Windows? XP Professional?? WPXP 
	>[313-7222] [412-0309] [420-1922] 
	>Mouse: Dell? 2-button scroll mouse SM [310-1871] 
	>Network Interface: Integrated 10/100 Ethernet IN [430-0441] 
	>Modem: No Modem Requested N [313-3607] 
	>CD or DVD Drive: 48x Max CD-ROM Drive CD48 [313-1476] 
	>Sound Card: Integrated Audio IS [313-0847] 
	>Speakers: No Speaker Option N [313-4514] 
	>Bundled Software: WordPerfect? Productivity Pack with Quicken New User 
	>Edition COREL [412-0302] 
	>Security Software: Dell SecurityCenter by McAfee, 90-day introductory 
	>offer MCAFE90 [412-0326] 
	>Digital Music: Dell Jukebox powered by MUSICMATCH MMBASE [412-0298] 
	>Digital Photography: Dell Picture Studio Image Expert Standard DPS 
	>[412-0271] [412-0273] 
	>Limited Warranty, Services and Support Options: 1 Year Limited Warranty 
	>plus 1 Year On-site Service AUY111 [412-0360] [900-9054] [950-7960] 
	>Dial-Up Internet Access: FREE 6 Months of AOL Internet Access AOLSMB 
	>[412-0371] [412-0368] 
	>Multi-Media Players: RealOne(tm) Player, with 14 day SuperPass trial 
	>REALBAS [412-0380] 
	> 
	>They show the price as $539 but in the checkout line they subtract $48 for a 
	>coupon - 43C49AB1D6C5 and a $50 "rebate", for a final price of 466.51. Box 
	>only, no monitor, no floppy, 128mb ram. 
	> 
	>Not a bad price! 
	> 
	>John W. Colby 
	>www.colbyconsulting.com 
	> 
	> 
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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Fri May 16 15:24:19 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 16:24:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD]
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F7E@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <3EC510B3.15676.41E03F@localhost>

On 16 May 2003 at 13:16, Charlotte Foust wrote:

> Now I'm thoroughly confused as to whose head is being bashed and why.

Mine.

> and used within the class itself, so it might be useful.  Now, which
> one of you was wrong ... And about what???

I was wrong saying that [L|S]et/Get both had to be pubilc or private.

--
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Learn from the mistakes of others. You can't live long enough to make 
them all yourself.

From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Fri May 16 15:35:34 2003
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 15:35:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 
	RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS: <no subject>)
Message-ID: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB2338C7A2@TAPPEEXCH01>

That raises a good question, since I am not from the elite OO camp, I'd like
to know this:
Is it considered a bad practice to refer to the underlying variable within a
class directly?

Bryan, no need to apologize.  You may have stirred up an interesting
discussion, even if by accident.


-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 3:16 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD]


Now I'm thoroughly confused as to whose head is being bashed and why.
You can create private Let and Get properties, although a private Get
seems pointless to me, since it will only be available within the class
module and you don't really need it there except maybe for symmetry.  A
private Let property, on the other hand, could be called and used within
the class itself, so it might be useful.  Now, which one of you was
wrong ... And about what???

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca] 
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 11:44 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD]


On 17 May 2003 at 1:05, Bruce Bruen wrote:

> However, re Bryan's comment - why can't the attribute value setting 
> code be private - fundamentally it's an attribute that <u>cannot</u> 
> be updated via this interface, but it does need to be visible to users

> of the class.  In this case the clubname is retrieved internally in 
> the class - it is a header for the object.
> 
> I don't believe that the public get/private let construct is 
> syntactically incorrect.  However, is it philosophically incorrect?  I

It's not. I made a boo-boo.

All VB(A) programming has taken a back seat for me these days. PHP is 
what I've been doing recently, so chalk it up to brain freeze.

Doh! (Bashes head against keyboard repeatedly) Doh! Doh! :)

Sorry 'bout that.


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May 16 18:26:17 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 19:26:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS: <no
	subject>)
In-Reply-To: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB2338C7A2@TAPPEEXCH01>
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Brett,

That is a good question.  The reason most often given for using properties
to get / set a private variable rather than dimming the variable public is
simply the ability to control access to the variable.  It goes back to the
global argument in essence.  By controlling writes through a let statement,
you can do parameter checking.  For example, suppose you are building a car
and you want a "doors" variable that says how many doors it has.  By feeding
it through a let statement, you can check that the value passed in is >0 and
<6 or something similar.  The question then becomes, if I don't have to do
any such checking do (should) I still use get / let?

Of course there are also times where you want to provide a read only value.
I.e. the value is set by some process and the value can only be read out.
The Acceleration of the car is determined by the weight, horsepower,
transmission, rear axle etc, all fed into a complex function and provided as
a readable value.  No "user" of the class should be able to write directly
to this variable.

And finally there are times (seldom but possible) where you want a write
only variable - password for example.

I try very hard to dim all class variables private and use property get /
let to read / write the value.  That way if later on I do want to restrict
access in any way, I simply go to my existing get / let and add the
functionality I desire.  The "interface" doesn't break because the user is
always forced to go through my properties.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 4:36 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS: <no
subject>)


That raises a good question, since I am not from the elite OO camp, I'd like
to know this:
Is it considered a bad practice to refer to the underlying variable within a
class directly?

Bryan, no need to apologize.  You may have stirred up an interesting
discussion, even if by accident.


-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 3:16 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD]


Now I'm thoroughly confused as to whose head is being bashed and why.
You can create private Let and Get properties, although a private Get
seems pointless to me, since it will only be available within the class
module and you don't really need it there except maybe for symmetry.  A
private Let property, on the other hand, could be called and used within
the class itself, so it might be useful.  Now, which one of you was
wrong ... And about what???

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 11:44 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD]


On 17 May 2003 at 1:05, Bruce Bruen wrote:

> However, re Bryan's comment - why can't the attribute value setting
> code be private - fundamentally it's an attribute that <u>cannot</u>
> be updated via this interface, but it does need to be visible to users

> of the class.  In this case the clubname is retrieved internally in
> the class - it is a header for the object.
>
> I don't believe that the public get/private let construct is
> syntactically incorrect.  However, is it philosophically incorrect?  I

It's not. I made a boo-boo.

All VB(A) programming has taken a back seat for me these days. PHP is
what I've been doing recently, so chalk it up to brain freeze.

Doh! (Bashes head against keyboard repeatedly) Doh! Doh! :)

Sorry 'bout that.


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From: DMcAfee at haascnc.com (David McAfee)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 17:16:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale
Message-ID: <657FB70438B7D311AF320090279C1801026D7A31@EXCHMAIL>

http://shop2.outpost.com/product/3610855/
<http://shop2.outpost.com/product/3610855/> 
 
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 1:19 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale


That's my problem as well.  I don't even own a desktop machine and have no
place to put it, but the prices still make me wistful!  I only wish I could
find the class of laptop I like for less than around $2000 fully loaded.
Oh, well ...
 
Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 8:00 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale



They are still pricey on the laptops though -that's what I want ...and
wireless!! then I can get rid of this 'home office', waste of space ,
concept.
_d


"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." 

>From: "Jim DeMarco" 
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>To: 
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale 
>Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 11:37:14 -0400 
> 
>Yes it's a good idea to keep an eye on Dell and Gateway. They're both
pumping out low cost machines. The configurations change frequently too so
if you don't like what they're offering check back. I just got a P4 (I think
2.0 GHz) with free upgrades to 256MB RAM, 30 GB HD (small but I can upgrade
it cheaply if necessary) and 19" monitor for $599 after $100 rebate - $100
to ship though :-(. 
> 
>Jim DeMarco 
> 
> 
> 
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
>Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 11:31 AM 
>To: AccessD 
>Subject: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale 
> 
> 
>Just a heads up for anyone looking for a new box. Dell is having a sale. 
>Cheapest I can get is $466: 
> 
>Dimension 2350 Series 
>Intel? Pentium? 4 Processor at 2.20GHz with 512K L2 Cache 
> 
> Qty: 1 
> Price: $539.00 
> 
> Date: Friday, May 16, 2003 10:27:05 AM CDT 
> Catalog Number: 4 04 
>Dimension 2350 Series: Intel? Pentium? 4 Processor at 2.20GHz with 512K L2 
>Cache DX2322 [221-1776] 
>Memory: 128MB DDR-SDRAM 128M [311-1648] 
>Keyboard: Dell? Quietkey? Keyboard QK [310-1582] 
>Monitor: No Monitor N [320-3000] 
>Video Card: Integrated Intel? Extreme 3D Graphics IV [430-3900] 
>Hard Drive: FREE UPGRADE! 60GB Ultra ATA/100 7200RPM Hard Drive 60P 
>[461-9796] 
>Floppy Drive and Additional Storage Devices: No Floppy Drive NFD 
>[340-8688] 
>Operating System: Microsoft? Windows? XP Professional?? WPXP 
>[313-7222] [412-0309] [420-1922] 
>Mouse: Dell? 2-button scroll mouse SM [310-1871] 
>Network Interface: Integrated 10/100 Ethernet IN [430-0441] 
>Modem: No Modem Requested N [313-3607] 
>CD or DVD Drive: 48x Max CD-ROM Drive CD48 [313-1476] 
>Sound Card: Integrated Audio IS [313-0847] 
>Speakers: No Speaker Option N [313-4514] 
>Bundled Software: WordPerfect? Productivity Pack with Quicken New User 
>Edition COREL [412-0302] 
>Security Software: Dell SecurityCenter by McAfee, 90-day introductory 
>offer MCAFE90 [412-0326] 
>Digital Music: Dell Jukebox powered by MUSICMATCH MMBASE [412-0298] 
>Digital Photography: Dell Picture Studio Image Expert Standard DPS 
>[412-0271] [412-0273] 
>Limited Warranty, Services and Support Options: 1 Year Limited Warranty 
>plus 1 Year On-site Service AUY111 [412-0360] [900-9054] [950-7960] 
>Dial-Up Internet Access: FREE 6 Months of AOL Internet Access AOLSMB 
>[412-0371] [412-0368] 
>Multi-Media Players: RealOne(tm) Player, with 14 day SuperPass trial 
>REALBAS [412-0380] 
> 
>They show the price as $539 but in the checkout line they subtract $48 for
a 
>coupon - 43C49AB1D6C5 and a $50 "rebate", for a final price of 466.51. Box 
>only, no monitor, no floppy, 128mb ram. 
> 
>Not a bad price! 
> 
>John W. Colby 
>www.colbyconsulting.com 
> 
> 
>_______________________________________________ 
>AccessD mailing list 
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From Subscriptions at servicexp.com  Fri May 16 19:32:27 2003
From: Subscriptions at servicexp.com (Robert Gracie)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 20:32:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
In-Reply-To: <001f01c31b91$75e6be50$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>
Message-ID: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFMEOJCPAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>

I have been reading of more and more Access BE's corrupting beyond recovery,
and Am getting a little concerned.

I'm working with a mammoth Access DB, (FE/BE Split) it's a full Business
Management System which has around 214 tables in the BE, with a 22Meg Front
End. It's been running Ok for about a year, but with a db this complex, I
need to find a way to back-Up the BE db every 30 to 60 minutes while users
are still in working.

How might one go about doing this safely?  The BE resides on a Pier-to-Pier
network with the "server" running Win2K.


Thanks
Robert Gracie



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May 16 19:36:21 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 20:36:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
In-Reply-To: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFMEOJCPAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEICDMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Replication is one way.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Robert Gracie
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 8:32 PM
To: Access D
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question


I have been reading of more and more Access BE's corrupting beyond recovery,
and Am getting a little concerned.

I'm working with a mammoth Access DB, (FE/BE Split) it's a full Business
Management System which has around 214 tables in the BE, with a 22Meg Front
End. It's been running Ok for about a year, but with a db this complex, I
need to find a way to back-Up the BE db every 30 to 60 minutes while users
are still in working.

How might one go about doing this safely?  The BE resides on a Pier-to-Pier
network with the "server" running Win2K.


Thanks
Robert Gracie


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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Fri May 16 19:45:43 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 20:45:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
References: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFMEOJCPAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>
Message-ID: <00b801c31c0d$a80f1860$6401a8c0@default>

Copying an Open Mdb!

John Lawson, Dundee City Council of UK.

The script is designed as an on-click event procedure for a command button.

The script was developed using Microsoft Access V2.0


Sub cmdOK_Click ()
On Error GoTo cmdOK_Click_Err
    Dim DBNAME As String
    Dim x As Integer
    Dim DefaultWorkspace As WorkSpace
    Dim CurrentDatabase As Database, MyDatabase As Database
    Dim MyContainer As Container, MyDocument As Document
    Dim I As Integer, J As Integer
    Set DefaultWorkspace = DBEngine.Workspaces(0)
    Set CurrentDatabase = DBEngine.Workspaces(0).Databases(0)
    Set MyDatabase =
DefaultWorkspace.CreateDatabase("c:\bsupp\bsbackup.mdb", DB_LANG_GENERAL)
    MyDatabase.Close
    DoCmd SetWarnings False

    txtCurrent = 0

    For J = 0 To CurrentDatabase.Containers.count - 1
        Set MyContainer = CurrentDatabase.Containers(J)
        If MyContainer.Name = "Tables" Then
            txtTotal = MyContainer.Documents.count
            For I = 0 To MyContainer.Documents.count - 1
                 txtCurrent = txtCurrent + 1
                Set MyDocument = MyContainer.Documents(I)

                txtTable = MyDocument.Name
                If Left$(txtTable, 4) <> "Msys" And Left$(txtTable, 3) <>
"qry" Then                  DoCmd CopyObject "c:\bsupp\bsbackup.mdb", ,
A_TABLE, MyDocument.Name
                 DoEvents                End If
            Next I
        End If
    Next J

cmdOK_Click_Exit:
    DoCmd SetWarnings True
    DoCmd Close
    Exit Sub

cmdOK_Click_Err:
If Err = 3204 Or Err = 3151 Or Err = 91 Then Resume Next
    MsgBox Error$
    Resume Next

End Sub
I think I got this from JC's siteMichael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Gracie" <Subscriptions at servicexp.com>
To: "Access D" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 8:32 PM
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question


> I have been reading of more and more Access BE's corrupting beyond
recovery,
> and Am getting a little concerned.
>
> I'm working with a mammoth Access DB, (FE/BE Split) it's a full Business
> Management System which has around 214 tables in the BE, with a 22Meg
Front
> End. It's been running Ok for about a year, but with a db this complex, I
> need to find a way to back-Up the BE db every 30 to 60 minutes while users
> are still in working.
>
> How might one go about doing this safely?  The BE resides on a
Pier-to-Pier
> network with the "server" running Win2K.
>
>
> Thanks
> Robert Gracie
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May 16 19:51:45 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 20:51:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
In-Reply-To: <00b801c31c0d$a80f1860$6401a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEIDDMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I don't think so but I will be adding this to my framework!

Thanks,

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
Mattys
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 8:46 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question


Copying an Open Mdb!

John Lawson, Dundee City Council of UK.

The script is designed as an on-click event procedure for a command button.

The script was developed using Microsoft Access V2.0


Sub cmdOK_Click ()
On Error GoTo cmdOK_Click_Err
    Dim DBNAME As String
    Dim x As Integer
    Dim DefaultWorkspace As WorkSpace
    Dim CurrentDatabase As Database, MyDatabase As Database
    Dim MyContainer As Container, MyDocument As Document
    Dim I As Integer, J As Integer
    Set DefaultWorkspace = DBEngine.Workspaces(0)
    Set CurrentDatabase = DBEngine.Workspaces(0).Databases(0)
    Set MyDatabase =
DefaultWorkspace.CreateDatabase("c:\bsupp\bsbackup.mdb", DB_LANG_GENERAL)
    MyDatabase.Close
    DoCmd SetWarnings False

    txtCurrent = 0

    For J = 0 To CurrentDatabase.Containers.count - 1
        Set MyContainer = CurrentDatabase.Containers(J)
        If MyContainer.Name = "Tables" Then
            txtTotal = MyContainer.Documents.count
            For I = 0 To MyContainer.Documents.count - 1
                 txtCurrent = txtCurrent + 1
                Set MyDocument = MyContainer.Documents(I)

                txtTable = MyDocument.Name
                If Left$(txtTable, 4) <> "Msys" And Left$(txtTable, 3) <>
"qry" Then                  DoCmd CopyObject "c:\bsupp\bsbackup.mdb", ,
A_TABLE, MyDocument.Name
                 DoEvents                End If
            Next I
        End If
    Next J

cmdOK_Click_Exit:
    DoCmd SetWarnings True
    DoCmd Close
    Exit Sub

cmdOK_Click_Err:
If Err = 3204 Or Err = 3151 Or Err = 91 Then Resume Next
    MsgBox Error$
    Resume Next

End Sub
I think I got this from JC's siteMichael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Gracie" <Subscriptions at servicexp.com>
To: "Access D" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 8:32 PM
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question


> I have been reading of more and more Access BE's corrupting beyond
recovery,
> and Am getting a little concerned.
>
> I'm working with a mammoth Access DB, (FE/BE Split) it's a full Business
> Management System which has around 214 tables in the BE, with a 22Meg
Front
> End. It's been running Ok for about a year, but with a db this complex, I
> need to find a way to back-Up the BE db every 30 to 60 minutes while users
> are still in working.
>
> How might one go about doing this safely?  The BE resides on a
Pier-to-Pier
> network with the "server" running Win2K.
>
>
> Thanks
> Robert Gracie
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com




From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May 16 20:09:41 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 21:09:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
In-Reply-To: <00b801c31c0d$a80f1860$6401a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEIEDMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

OK, and a version that at least compiles:

Function CopyDB()
On Error GoTo cmdOK_Click_Err
    Dim DBNAME As String
    Dim x As Integer
    Dim DefaultWorkspace As Workspace
    Dim CurrentDatabase As Database
    Dim MyDatabase As Database
    Dim MyContainer As Container
    Dim MyDocument As Document
    Dim I As Integer
    Dim J As Integer
    Dim txtTable As String
    Set DefaultWorkspace = DBEngine.Workspaces(0)
    Set CurrentDatabase = DBEngine.Workspaces(0).Databases(0)
    Set MyDatabase =
DefaultWorkspace.CreateDatabase("c:\bsupp\bsbackup.mdb", DB_LANG_GENERAL)
    MyDatabase.Close
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False

    'txtCurrent = 0

    For J = 0 To CurrentDatabase.Containers.Count - 1
        Set MyContainer = CurrentDatabase.Containers(J)
        If MyContainer.Name = "Tables" Then
            'txtTotal = MyContainer.Documents.Count
            For I = 0 To MyContainer.Documents.Count - 1
                 'txtCurrent = txtCurrent + 1
                Set MyDocument = MyContainer.Documents(I)

                txtTable = MyDocument.Name
                If Left$(txtTable, 4) <> "Msys" And Left$(txtTable, 3) <>
"qry" Then
                    DoCmd.CopyObject "c:\bsupp\bsbackup.mdb", , A_TABLE,
MyDocument.Name
                    DoEvents
                End If
            Next I
        End If
    Next J

cmdOK_Click_Exit:
    DoCmd.SetWarnings True
    DoCmd.Close
    Exit Function

cmdOK_Click_Err:
If err = 3204 Or err = 3151 Or err = 91 Then Resume Next
    MsgBox Error$
    Resume Next

End Function

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
Mattys
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 8:46 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question


Copying an Open Mdb!

John Lawson, Dundee City Council of UK.

The script is designed as an on-click event procedure for a command button.

The script was developed using Microsoft Access V2.0


Sub cmdOK_Click ()
On Error GoTo cmdOK_Click_Err
    Dim DBNAME As String
    Dim x As Integer
    Dim DefaultWorkspace As WorkSpace
    Dim CurrentDatabase As Database, MyDatabase As Database
    Dim MyContainer As Container, MyDocument As Document
    Dim I As Integer, J As Integer
    Set DefaultWorkspace = DBEngine.Workspaces(0)
    Set CurrentDatabase = DBEngine.Workspaces(0).Databases(0)
    Set MyDatabase =
DefaultWorkspace.CreateDatabase("c:\bsupp\bsbackup.mdb", DB_LANG_GENERAL)
    MyDatabase.Close
    DoCmd SetWarnings False

    txtCurrent = 0

    For J = 0 To CurrentDatabase.Containers.count - 1
        Set MyContainer = CurrentDatabase.Containers(J)
        If MyContainer.Name = "Tables" Then
            txtTotal = MyContainer.Documents.count
            For I = 0 To MyContainer.Documents.count - 1
                 txtCurrent = txtCurrent + 1
                Set MyDocument = MyContainer.Documents(I)

                txtTable = MyDocument.Name
                If Left$(txtTable, 4) <> "Msys" And Left$(txtTable, 3) <>
"qry" Then                  DoCmd CopyObject "c:\bsupp\bsbackup.mdb", ,
A_TABLE, MyDocument.Name
                 DoEvents                End If
            Next I
        End If
    Next J

cmdOK_Click_Exit:
    DoCmd SetWarnings True
    DoCmd Close
    Exit Sub

cmdOK_Click_Err:
If Err = 3204 Or Err = 3151 Or Err = 91 Then Resume Next
    MsgBox Error$
    Resume Next

End Sub
I think I got this from JC's siteMichael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Gracie" <Subscriptions at servicexp.com>
To: "Access D" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 8:32 PM
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question


> I have been reading of more and more Access BE's corrupting beyond
recovery,
> and Am getting a little concerned.
>
> I'm working with a mammoth Access DB, (FE/BE Split) it's a full Business
> Management System which has around 214 tables in the BE, with a 22Meg
Front
> End. It's been running Ok for about a year, but with a db this complex, I
> need to find a way to back-Up the BE db every 30 to 60 minutes while users
> are still in working.
>
> How might one go about doing this safely?  The BE resides on a
Pier-to-Pier
> network with the "server" running Win2K.
>
>
> Thanks
> Robert Gracie
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com




From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May 16 20:34:48 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 21:34:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VB.Net graphics
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEIEDMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Are there any .net graphics gurus out there.  I need to learn how to display
a matrix of gif or bmp "icons" across a form surface.  Also it would be nice
to learn how to do layering such that I could have a single gif and turn on
/ off different icons for the same location.

Anyone with expertise in this area give me a shout please.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Fri May 16 22:53:13 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 13:23:13 +0930
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A090@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

http://www.learnvisualstudio.net <http://www.learnvisualstudio.net> 
 
Fantastic concept. Bob records live tutorials which you can download.  Over
50 hours of videos to date.
 
You  can view a free 'daily-tip' video to see what they are like, and if you
do, membership allows you access to all existign videos.  Only $20 US from
memory.
 
Money well spent for me, much more intuative and effective than reading a
book.  Ended up getting my company to pay for it anyway as it was found a
useful tool for our other developers.
 
Doesn't only cover VS.NET but covers many of the languages and the framework
concepts.
 
Good luck!
 
Cheers,
Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Boyd [mailto:MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com]
Sent: Thursday, 15 May 2003 5:37 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro



I've noticed that Visual Studio.net has been a topic of discussion on this
list recently.

I'm just beginning to dive into it, and am curious if anyone can recommend a
good place to start learning.

Is there a preferred book or website that demonstrates how to create a
simple .net application?  I am looking into asp.net, as I want to start
developing web applications that connect to SQL2K.

Any direction is greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks,

Mark Boyd

Sr. Systems Analyst

McBee Associates, Inc.

 


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri May 16 23:13:57 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 00:13:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro
In-Reply-To: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A090@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEIHDMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Andrew,

I notice a bonus system where you are awarded months for a signup.  I think
I'm going to sign up for the 3 month thing.  Do I need a code from you to
get the bonus assigned to you?
John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Haslett, Andrew
  Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 11:53 PM
  To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro


  http://www.learnvisualstudio.net

  Fantastic concept. Bob records live tutorials which you can download.
Over 50 hours of videos to date.

  You  can view a free 'daily-tip' video to see what they are like, and if
you do, membership allows you access to all existign videos.  Only $20 US
from memory.

  Money well spent for me, much more intuative and effective than reading a
book.  Ended up getting my company to pay for it anyway as it was found a
useful tool for our other developers.

  Doesn't only cover VS.NET but covers many of the languages and the
framework concepts.

  Good luck!

  Cheers,
  Andrew
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Mark Boyd [mailto:MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com]
    Sent: Thursday, 15 May 2003 5:37 AM
    To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
    Subject: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro


    I've noticed that Visual Studio.net has been a topic of discussion on
this list recently.

    I'm just beginning to dive into it, and am curious if anyone can
recommend a good place to start learning.

    Is there a preferred book or website that demonstrates how to create a
simple .net application?  I am looking into asp.net, as I want to start
developing web applications that connect to SQL2K.

    Any direction is greatly appreciated.



    Thanks,

    Mark Boyd

    Sr. Systems Analyst

    McBee Associates, Inc.





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From Subscriptions at servicexp.com  Sat May 17 00:32:07 2003
From: Subscriptions at servicexp.com (Robert Gracie)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 01:32:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEIEDMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFMEOLCPAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>



Anyway to do something like this from a separate db running all the time on
the server?


Robert Gracie

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 9:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question


OK, and a version that at least compiles:

Function CopyDB()
On Error GoTo cmdOK_Click_Err
    Dim DBNAME As String
    Dim x As Integer
    Dim DefaultWorkspace As Workspace
    Dim CurrentDatabase As Database
    Dim MyDatabase As Database
    Dim MyContainer As Container
    Dim MyDocument As Document
    Dim I As Integer
    Dim J As Integer
    Dim txtTable As String
    Set DefaultWorkspace = DBEngine.Workspaces(0)
    Set CurrentDatabase = DBEngine.Workspaces(0).Databases(0)
    Set MyDatabase =
DefaultWorkspace.CreateDatabase("c:\bsupp\bsbackup.mdb", DB_LANG_GENERAL)
    MyDatabase.Close
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False

    'txtCurrent = 0

    For J = 0 To CurrentDatabase.Containers.Count - 1
        Set MyContainer = CurrentDatabase.Containers(J)
        If MyContainer.Name = "Tables" Then
            'txtTotal = MyContainer.Documents.Count
            For I = 0 To MyContainer.Documents.Count - 1
                 'txtCurrent = txtCurrent + 1
                Set MyDocument = MyContainer.Documents(I)

                txtTable = MyDocument.Name
                If Left$(txtTable, 4) <> "Msys" And Left$(txtTable, 3) <>
"qry" Then
                    DoCmd.CopyObject "c:\bsupp\bsbackup.mdb", , A_TABLE,
MyDocument.Name
                    DoEvents
                End If
            Next I
        End If
    Next J

cmdOK_Click_Exit:
    DoCmd.SetWarnings True
    DoCmd.Close
    Exit Function

cmdOK_Click_Err:
If err = 3204 Or err = 3151 Or err = 91 Then Resume Next
    MsgBox Error$
    Resume Next

End Function

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
Mattys
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 8:46 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question


Copying an Open Mdb!

John Lawson, Dundee City Council of UK.

The script is designed as an on-click event procedure for a command button.

The script was developed using Microsoft Access V2.0


Sub cmdOK_Click ()
On Error GoTo cmdOK_Click_Err
    Dim DBNAME As String
    Dim x As Integer
    Dim DefaultWorkspace As WorkSpace
    Dim CurrentDatabase As Database, MyDatabase As Database
    Dim MyContainer As Container, MyDocument As Document
    Dim I As Integer, J As Integer
    Set DefaultWorkspace = DBEngine.Workspaces(0)
    Set CurrentDatabase = DBEngine.Workspaces(0).Databases(0)
    Set MyDatabase =
DefaultWorkspace.CreateDatabase("c:\bsupp\bsbackup.mdb", DB_LANG_GENERAL)
    MyDatabase.Close
    DoCmd SetWarnings False

    txtCurrent = 0

    For J = 0 To CurrentDatabase.Containers.count - 1
        Set MyContainer = CurrentDatabase.Containers(J)
        If MyContainer.Name = "Tables" Then
            txtTotal = MyContainer.Documents.count
            For I = 0 To MyContainer.Documents.count - 1
                 txtCurrent = txtCurrent + 1
                Set MyDocument = MyContainer.Documents(I)

                txtTable = MyDocument.Name
                If Left$(txtTable, 4) <> "Msys" And Left$(txtTable, 3) <>
"qry" Then                  DoCmd CopyObject "c:\bsupp\bsbackup.mdb", ,
A_TABLE, MyDocument.Name
                 DoEvents                End If
            Next I
        End If
    Next J

cmdOK_Click_Exit:
    DoCmd SetWarnings True
    DoCmd Close
    Exit Sub

cmdOK_Click_Err:
If Err = 3204 Or Err = 3151 Or Err = 91 Then Resume Next
    MsgBox Error$
    Resume Next

End Sub
I think I got this from JC's siteMichael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Gracie" <Subscriptions at servicexp.com>
To: "Access D" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 8:32 PM
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question


> I have been reading of more and more Access BE's corrupting beyond
recovery,
> and Am getting a little concerned.
>
> I'm working with a mammoth Access DB, (FE/BE Split) it's a full Business
> Management System which has around 214 tables in the BE, with a 22Meg
Front
> End. It's been running Ok for about a year, but with a db this complex, I
> need to find a way to back-Up the BE db every 30 to 60 minutes while users
> are still in working.
>
> How might one go about doing this safely?  The BE resides on a
Pier-to-Pier
> network with the "server" running Win2K.
>
>
> Thanks
> Robert Gracie
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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From andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au  Sat May 17 01:46:13 2003
From: andrew.haslett at ilc.gov.au (Haslett, Andrew)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 16:16:13 +0930
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro
Message-ID: <EAAA1F7DC874D511BA070008C70D61BBE3A091@adl01s051.ilcorp.gov.au>

Hi John.
 
That would be great if you do choose to join up.
 
To be honest I hadn't really looked at the referral system before. I've just
read the rules and I can't post the 'code' publicly so will email you off
list.
 
If you haven't got broadband then you can decide to order the existing
videos on CD if you like.  I took the long route and downloaded the lot.
Still haven't got through them all yet!
 
Even after watching them the first time, it still servers as excellent
reference material, as most issues I come across are covered by one or more
videos.
 
Enjoy!
 
Cheers,
Andrew
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Saturday, 17 May 2003 1:44 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro


Andrew,
 
I notice a bonus system where you are awarded months for a signup.  I think
I'm going to sign up for the 3 month thing.  Do I need a code from you to
get the bonus assigned to you?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Haslett, Andrew
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 11:53 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro


http://www.learnvisualstudio.net <http://www.learnvisualstudio.net> 
 
Fantastic concept. Bob records live tutorials which you can download.  Over
50 hours of videos to date.
 
You  can view a free 'daily-tip' video to see what they are like, and if you
do, membership allows you access to all existign videos.  Only $20 US from
memory.
 
Money well spent for me, much more intuative and effective than reading a
book.  Ended up getting my company to pay for it anyway as it was found a
useful tool for our other developers.
 
Doesn't only cover VS.NET but covers many of the languages and the framework
concepts.
 
Good luck!
 
Cheers,
Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Boyd [mailto:MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com]
Sent: Thursday, 15 May 2003 5:37 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: VS.Net Intro



I've noticed that Visual Studio.net has been a topic of discussion on this
list recently.

I'm just beginning to dive into it, and am curious if anyone can recommend a
good place to start learning.

Is there a preferred book or website that demonstrates how to create a
simple .net application?  I am looking into asp.net, as I want to start
developing web applications that connect to SQL2K.

Any direction is greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks,

Mark Boyd

Sr. Systems Analyst

McBee Associates, Inc.

 


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From ksfeller at earthlink.net  Sat May 17 07:58:21 2003
From: ksfeller at earthlink.net (Karen Feller Nicholson)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 08:58:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL List
Message-ID: <018901c31c74$007bc000$daa1fea9@oemcomputer>

Does anyone belong to an SQL list similiar to this Access List that they recommend?  
Karen S. Nicholson
(724) 942-3437
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From wdhindman at bellsouth.net  Sat May 17 08:16:45 2003
From: wdhindman at bellsouth.net (William Hindman)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 09:16:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL List
References: <018901c31c74$007bc000$daa1fea9@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <003801c31c76$9092e310$6001a8c0@jisdelllaptop>

...dba-SQL? ...sign up at www.databaseadvisors.com ...you'll recognise a
number of the people from the accessd list ...HTH :)

William Hindman
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To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 8:58 AM
Subject: [AccessD] SQL List


Does anyone belong to an SQL list similiar to this Access List that they
recommend?
Karen S. Nicholson
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From davesharpe2 at cox.net  Sat May 17 11:29:12 2003
From: davesharpe2 at cox.net (dave sharpe)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 12:29:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL List
References: <018901c31c74$007bc000$daa1fea9@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <00cd01c31c91$739c61d0$1d270a44@bcs006137>

Karen

http://groups.yahoo.com/

Has a "SQL_beginners" list

Do a search there. They have over 500 SQL related groups.

Dave
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 8:58 AM
  Subject: [AccessD] SQL List


  Does anyone belong to an SQL list similiar to this Access List that they recommend?  
  Karen S. Nicholson
  (724) 942-3437
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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Sat May 17 11:52:30 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 11:52:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F87812@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Robert,

First get off that pier-to-pier network.  The first freighter or ocean
liner that crashes into one of your piers is going to cause havoc with
your network! <grin>

Second, besides the other good backup suggestions, you could create a
transaction log on another server and write transactions to it.  That
way you only lose those transactions that were still being written to
the transaction log when your db crashed.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Gracie [mailto:Subscriptions at servicexp.com] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 16 19:32
To: Access D
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question

I have been reading of more and more Access BE's corrupting beyond
recovery, and Am getting a little concerned.

I'm working with a mammoth Access DB, (FE/BE Split) it's a full Business
Management System which has around 214 tables in the BE, with a 22Meg
Front End. It's been running Ok for about a year, but with a db this
complex, I need to find a way to back-Up the BE db every 30 to 60
minutes while users are still in working.

How might one go about doing this safely?  The BE resides on a
Pier-to-Pier network with the "server" running Win2K.


Thanks
Robert Gracie

From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Sat May 17 12:03:44 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 12:03:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SQL List
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F87813@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Karen,
 
As you see from the list Dave gives you, there are many flavors of SQL.
Which flavor are you most interested in? M$'s Jet SQL for the Jet db
engine, or M$'s T-SQL for the SQL Server engine, or ANSI SQL that
everybody claims to be compliant with but does not fully implement?

Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 

-----Original Message-----
From: dave sharpe [mailto:davesharpe2 at cox.net] 
Sent: Saturday 2003 May 17 11:29
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL List


Karen
 
http://groups.yahoo.com/
 
Has a "SQL_beginners" list
 
Do a search there. They have over 500 SQL related groups.
 
Dave

	----- Original Message ----- 
	From: Karen Feller Nicholson <mailto:ksfeller at earthlink.net>  
	To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
	Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 8:58 AM
	Subject: [AccessD] SQL List

	Does anyone belong to an SQL list similiar to this Access List
that they recommend?  
	Karen S. Nicholson
	(724) 942-3437
	ksfeller at earthlink.net

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat May 17 13:03:29 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 11:03:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] RE: DBA web site problem
In-Reply-To: <018901c31c74$007bc000$daa1fea9@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFAEIBCIAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi All:

Stephen Hait has spent some time and resolved the problem.
It seems to be an issue with the placement of a simple 'spacer' cell. Even
though the size is fixed in the parent window, IE5 has an apparent 'bug'
that causes the 'spacer' cell to always expand 100%, pushing the 'iframe'
contents out of view. By moving the 'spacer' cell from the parent to the
'iframe' content window the error is resolved.

Thanks again to Stephen for his efforts. The chances to the site should be
completed by this weekend.

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From ksfeller at earthlink.net  Sat May 17 13:01:59 2003
From: ksfeller at earthlink.net (Karen Feller Nicholson)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 14:01:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL List
References: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F87813@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <003401c31c9e$6b1bcb60$daa1fea9@oemcomputer>

MessageWell Well.  Let me confess to what I have done THIS time.  Years ago I started out as a contract Access programmer and had never touched Access.  Now I went and got myself hired at this great company as Database Administrator for SQL and a Crystal Programmer.  Oh my.  I started Friday; they interviewed me Tuesday afternoon and called me Thursday afternoon to start.  They know I am not that proficient in SQL and Crystal, but they seemed more interested in my personality than my job skills.  So there is this SQL program already written, MasterMind, that I have to write triggers and stored procedures, creating these for various departments to write reports.  I got tired of consulting after 8 years - too much going on at once and then waiting for cheap ***'s to pay us.  So I walked out and left my poor partner here WILD EYED as he now has enough work for 1.5 Access programmers and is only one person.  I got an earful when I came home Friday night.  My first project thrown at me was to add a column to a table that increments values by 10, renumerating when the grouping sort changes.  Figured that would be easy - ha ha.  I am delving into the cursor crap, did the increment value in the table itself but it does not know when to start back again at 10.  That is my current dilemma.  I am sure that I will catch on, but I am sure to be a pain in the bum for a month or two until I get my feet under me.  Anybody ever work with MasterMind which I have nicked named MasterBa*** at this point.  Fun fun.  All help is appreciated.  And anyone who can calm Mike down with his new found too much work scenario as well.  He smoked two packs of cigarettes my first day on the job!!!!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Wortz, Charles 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 01:03 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL List


  Karen,

  As you see from the list Dave gives you, there are many flavors of SQL.  Which flavor are you most interested in? M$'s Jet SQL for the Jet db engine, or M$'s T-SQL for the SQL Server engine, or ANSI SQL that everybody claims to be compliant with but does not fully implement?
  Charles Wortz 
  Software Development Division 
  Texas Education Agency 
  1701 N. Congress Ave 
  Austin, TX 78701-1494 
  512-463-9493 
  CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 

  -----Original Message-----
  From: dave sharpe [mailto:davesharpe2 at cox.net] 
  Sent: Saturday 2003 May 17 11:29
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL List


  Karen

  http://groups.yahoo.com/

  Has a "SQL_beginners" list

  Do a search there. They have over 500 SQL related groups.

  Dave
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Karen Feller Nicholson 
    To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
    Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 8:58 AM
    Subject: [AccessD] SQL List


    Does anyone belong to an SQL list similiar to this Access List that they recommend?  
    Karen S. Nicholson
    (724) 942-3437
    ksfeller at earthlink.net


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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Sat May 17 13:19:48 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 13:19:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SQL List
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F87814@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Karen,

So you are talking about SQLServer.  Then the best list is our own
dba-SQLServer list.  You will learn about SQLServer, T-SQL and Crystal
Reports all on this one list.  You can sign up for it at the same place
you signed up for AccessD.  I expect to see you on that list very
shortly.

Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
-----Original Message-----
From: Karen Feller Nicholson [mailto:ksfeller at earthlink.net] 
Sent: Saturday 2003 May 17 13:02
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL List

 
 Well Well.  Let me confess to what I have done THIS time.  Years ago I
started out as a contract Access programmer and had never touched
Access.  Now I went and got myself hired at this great company as
Database Administrator for SQL and a Crystal Programmer.  Oh my.  I
started Friday; they interviewed me Tuesday afternoon and called me
Thursday afternoon to start.  They know I am not that proficient in SQL
and Crystal, but they seemed more interested in my personality than my
job skills.  So there is this SQL program already written, MasterMind,
that I have to write triggers and stored procedures, creating these for
various departments to write reports.  I got tired of consulting after 8
years - too much going on at once and then waiting for cheap ***'s to
pay us.  So I walked out and left my poor partner here WILD EYED as he
now has enough work for 1.5 Access programmers and is only one person.
I got an earful when I came home Friday night.  My first project thrown
at me was to add a column to a table that increments values by 10,
renumerating when the grouping sort changes.  Figured that would be easy
- ha ha.  I am delving into the cursor crap, did the increment value in
the table itself but it does not know when to start back again at 10.
That is my current dilemma.  I am sure that I will catch on, but I am
sure to be a pain in the bum for a month or two until I get my feet
under me.  Anybody ever work with MasterMind which I have nicked named
MasterBa*** at this point.  Fun fun.  All help is appreciated.  And
anyone who can calm Mike down with his new found too much work scenario
as well.  He smoked two packs of cigarettes my first day on the job!!!!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Wortz, Charles 
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 01:03 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL List


Karen,

As you see from the list Dave gives you, there are many flavors of SQL.
Which flavor are you most interested in? M$'s Jet SQL for the Jet db
engine, or M$'s T-SQL for the SQL Server engine, or ANSI SQL that
everybody claims to be compliant with but does not fully implement?
Charles Wortz 
-----Original Message-----
From: dave sharpe [mailto:davesharpe2 at cox.net] 
Sent: Saturday 2003 May 17 11:29
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL List


Karen

http://groups.yahoo.com/

Has a "SQL_beginners" list

Do a search there. They have over 500 SQL related groups.

Dave
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Karen Feller Nicholson 
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 8:58 AM
Subject: [AccessD] SQL List


Does anyone belong to an SQL list similiar to this Access List that they
recommend?  
Karen S. Nicholson
(724) 942-3437
ksfeller at earthlink.net

From caa at highway.com.br  Sat May 17 14:20:14 2003
From: caa at highway.com.br (Carlos Alberto Alves)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 16:20:14 -0300
Subject: [AccessD] access database needs repair
In-Reply-To: <007401c31b09$27037720$b274d0d5@andypc>
References: <007401c31b09$27037720$b274d0d5@andypc>
Message-ID: <oprpbzz0nmeuy8y3@localhost>

On Thu, 15 May 2003 18:41:01 +0100, Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> 
wrote:

> Dwayne
> If you're still struggling, and the data's really vital, then I believe
> there's a company who specialise in recovering this sort of thing. If
> you express interest I'm sure someone will remember who they are.
>
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd- 
>> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
>> Sent: 15 May 2003 07:39
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: RE: [AccessD] access database needs repair
>>
>>
>> And I'll add, did you try decompiling? That's opening Access with a 
>> /decompile switch then opening your MDB and letting Access decompile it. 
>> You didn't indicate whether it???s a FrontEnd or Backend either. Would 
>> help people give advice.
>>
>> Andy Lacey
>> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>>
>>
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of > Michael R 
>> Mattys
>> > Sent: 15 May 2003 03:31
>> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] access database needs repair
>> > > > Hi Dwayne,
>> > > You may not have necessarily indicated your level of
>> > expertise, so I am just going to pose a few questions:
>> > > Did you check for and delete the locking .LDB file that opens
>> > with the mdb?
>> > > If so, did you try importing objects from your mdb using a
>> > new mdb? Or, perhaps, using Excel, try to import the data?
>> > > Have you tried JetComp? See 
>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?
>> > scid=http://support.microsoft.com:80/support/kb/articles/
>> > Q239/1/14.ASP&NoWebContent=1
>> > > Michael R. Mattys
>> > www.mattysconsulting.com
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Hartranft, Dwayne" <dmhartr at sandia.gov>
>> > To: <accessD at databaseadvisors.com>
>> > Cc: <dwayne at tmssusa.com>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 10:06 PM
>> > Subject: [AccessD] access database needs repair
>> > > > > Hi all,
>> > >
>> > > I am in dire need of some advice.
>> > >
>> > > I had a client that ended up with a corrupted database.
>> > >
>> > > The power went off to the computer while a database was open.  Now
>> > > when I try to open it, it says that it needs to repair the > file.  
>> When
>> > > I try to repair it, I get the message that the file is not a
>> > > recognized database format.  It is in Access 2000
>> > >
>> > > Any suggestions?  Restoring from a backup is not an option since the
>> > client
>> > > did not do any.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks in advance for any ideas.
>> > >
>> > > Dwayne Hartranft
>> > >

Hi Dwayne!
Try the links below to find recovery tools for Access...

http://www.cimaware.com/accessfix.html

http://www.officerecovery.com

HTH,
-- 
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* Carlos Alberto Alves               *
* Child Neurologist                  *
* Systems Analyst/Programmer         *
* Rio de Janeiro, Brazil             *
* mailto:caa at highway.com.br          *
* http://igspot.ig.com.br/forefront/ *
**************************************

From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Sat May 17 18:03:32 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 01:03:32 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] RE: DBA web site problem
References: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFAEIBCIAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <0a6401c31cc8$97e01d70$0300a8c0@S856>

Thank you, Stephen,
appreciate your help very much
Lembit

Lembit Soobik

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 8:03 PM
  Subject: [AccessD] RE: DBA web site problem


  Hi All:

  Stephen Hait has spent some time and resolved the problem. 
  It seems to be an issue with the placement of a simple 'spacer' cell. Even though the size is fixed in the parent window, IE5 has an apparent 'bug' that causes the 'spacer' cell to always expand 100%, pushing the 'iframe' contents out of view. By moving the 'spacer' cell from the parent to the 'iframe' content window the error is resolved.

  Thanks again to Stephen for his efforts. The chances to the site should be completed by this weekend.

  Jim



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From Subscriptions at servicexp.com  Sat May 17 19:16:18 2003
From: Subscriptions at servicexp.com (Robert Gracie)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 20:16:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
In-Reply-To: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFMEOJCPAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>
Message-ID: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFEEAHDAAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>


I'm trying to backup an open split back-end using the code below. This is a
"third" db that is opening up a back-end and copying the tables and data to
a newly created db. However I keep getting this error.

7874 SXP Maintenance System can't find the object 'Customer.' Note: SXP
Maintenance is the name of the calling db

My code keeps looking at the current db for the tables. If I copy the table
into this db, all works well..

Help would be much appreciated at this point... Keep in mind this is a very
first revision...:-)

    Dim db As DAO.Database
    Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
    Dim x As Integer
    Dim Wksp As DAO.Workspace
    Dim CurrentDatabase As DAO.Database
    Dim MyDatabase As DAO.Database
    Dim MyContainer As DAO.Container
    Dim MyDocument As Document
    Dim I As Integer
    Dim J As Integer
    Dim txtTable As String
    Dim strdbtoSaveName As String
    Dim strSavedbtoName As String
    Dim strdbtoSavePath As String
    Dim strSavedbtoPath As String
    Dim strSavetoCompleteString As String
    Dim strShortDate As String
    Dim strLongDate As String
    Dim strSaveName As String
    Dim intSaveNameFail As String
    Dim strSaveNamePath As String
    Dim strTestFile As String


    Set db = CurrentDb
    Set rst = db.OpenRecordset("tblSysBU", dbOpenDynaset)

    strLongDate = Format(Date, "mmmm d, yyyy")
    strShortDate = Format(Date, "m-d-yyyy")

    With rst
      If .RecordCount > 0 Then
        .MoveFirst
            Do Until .EOF
                'lets get the link information from the table
                strdbtoSaveName = !dbtoSaveName
                strSavedbtoName = !SavedbtoName
                strdbtoSavePath = !dbtoSavePath
                strSavedbtoPath = !SavedbtoPath

                strSavetoCompleteString = strSavedbtoPath & "\" &
strSavedbtoName


    Set Wksp = DBEngine.Workspaces(0)  'OpenDatabase(strdbtoSavePath)
    Set CurrentDatabase = Wksp.OpenDatabase(strdbtoSavePath)


    'Check for existence of previously backed Up DB.
    'and append an incremented number to save name if found
      strSaveName = strSavedbtoName
      strSaveName = strSaveName & ".mdb"
      I = 2
      intSaveNameFail = True

      Do While intSaveNameFail
         strSaveNamePath = strSavedbtoPath & strSaveName
         strTestFile = Nz(Dir(strSaveNamePath))

         If strTestFile = strSaveName Then

            'Create new save name with incremented number
            intSaveNameFail = True
            strSaveName = strSavedbtoName & CStr(I)
            strSaveName = strSaveName & ".mdb"
            strSaveNamePath = strSavedbtoPath & strSaveName
            I = I + 1
         Else
            intSaveNameFail = False
         End If
      Loop

    Set MyDatabase = Wksp.CreateDatabase(strSaveNamePath, DB_LANG_GENERAL)
    MyDatabase.Close

    For J = 0 To CurrentDatabase.Containers.Count - 1
        Set MyContainer = CurrentDatabase.Containers(J)
        If MyContainer.Name = "Tables" Then
            For I = 0 To MyContainer.Documents.Count - 1
                Set MyDocument = MyContainer.Documents(I)
                txtTable = MyDocument.Name
                If Left$(txtTable, 4) <> "Msys" And Left$(txtTable, 3) <>
"qry" Then
                    DoCmd.CopyObject strSaveNamePath, , acTable,
MyDocument.Name
                    DoEvents
                End If
            Next I
        End If
    Next J

            .MoveNext
        Loop
     End If
End With

cmdOK_Click_Exit:
    DoCmd.SetWarnings True
    Exit Function

cmdOK_Click_Err:
If Err = 3204 Or Err = 3151 Or Err = 91 Or Err = 7874 Or Err = 3064 Or Err =
3011 Then
 Debug.Print (Err.Number & " " & Err.Description)
Resume Next
 Else
     MsgBox Err.Description
 End If



From Subscriptions at servicexp.com  Sat May 17 21:02:17 2003
From: Subscriptions at servicexp.com (Robert Gracie)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 22:02:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
In-Reply-To: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFMEOJCPAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>
Message-ID: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFAEAIDAAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>


I'm trying to backup an open split back-end using the code below. This is a
"third" db that is opening up a back-end and copying the tables and data to
a newly created db. However I keep getting this error.

7874 SXP Maintenance System can't find the object 'Customer.' Note: SXP
Maintenance is the name of the calling db

My code keeps looking at the current db for the tables. If I copy the table
into this db, all works well..

Help would be much appreciated at this point... Keep in mind this is a very
first revision...:-)

    Dim db As DAO.Database
    Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
    Dim x As Integer
    Dim Wksp As DAO.Workspace
    Dim CurrentDatabase As DAO.Database
    Dim MyDatabase As DAO.Database
    Dim MyContainer As DAO.Container
    Dim MyDocument As Document
    Dim I As Integer
    Dim J As Integer
    Dim txtTable As String
    Dim strdbtoSaveName As String
    Dim strSavedbtoName As String
    Dim strdbtoSavePath As String
    Dim strSavedbtoPath As String
    Dim strSavetoCompleteString As String
    Dim strShortDate As String
    Dim strLongDate As String
    Dim strSaveName As String
    Dim intSaveNameFail As String
    Dim strSaveNamePath As String
    Dim strTestFile As String


    Set db = CurrentDb
    Set rst = db.OpenRecordset("tblSysBU", dbOpenDynaset)

    strLongDate = Format(Date, "mmmm d, yyyy")
    strShortDate = Format(Date, "m-d-yyyy")

    With rst
      If .RecordCount > 0 Then
        .MoveFirst
            Do Until .EOF
                'lets get the link information from the table
                strdbtoSaveName = !dbtoSaveName
                strSavedbtoName = !SavedbtoName
                strdbtoSavePath = !dbtoSavePath
                strSavedbtoPath = !SavedbtoPath

                strSavetoCompleteString = strSavedbtoPath & "\" &
strSavedbtoName


    Set Wksp = DBEngine.Workspaces(0)  'OpenDatabase(strdbtoSavePath)
    Set CurrentDatabase = Wksp.OpenDatabase(strdbtoSavePath)


    'Check for existence of previously backed Up DB.
    'and append an incremented number to save name if found
      strSaveName = strSavedbtoName
      strSaveName = strSaveName & ".mdb"
      I = 2
      intSaveNameFail = True

      Do While intSaveNameFail
         strSaveNamePath = strSavedbtoPath & strSaveName
         strTestFile = Nz(Dir(strSaveNamePath))

         If strTestFile = strSaveName Then

            'Create new save name with incremented number
            intSaveNameFail = True
            strSaveName = strSavedbtoName & CStr(I)
            strSaveName = strSaveName & ".mdb"
            strSaveNamePath = strSavedbtoPath & strSaveName
            I = I + 1
         Else
            intSaveNameFail = False
         End If
      Loop

    Set MyDatabase = Wksp.CreateDatabase(strSaveNamePath, DB_LANG_GENERAL)
    MyDatabase.Close

    For J = 0 To CurrentDatabase.Containers.Count - 1
        Set MyContainer = CurrentDatabase.Containers(J)
        If MyContainer.Name = "Tables" Then
            For I = 0 To MyContainer.Documents.Count - 1
                Set MyDocument = MyContainer.Documents(I)
                txtTable = MyDocument.Name
                If Left$(txtTable, 4) <> "Msys" And Left$(txtTable, 3) <>
"qry" Then
                    DoCmd.CopyObject strSaveNamePath, , acTable,
MyDocument.Name
                    DoEvents
                End If
            Next I
        End If
    Next J

            .MoveNext
        Loop
     End If
End With

cmdOK_Click_Exit:
    DoCmd.SetWarnings True
    Exit Function

cmdOK_Click_Err:
If Err = 3204 Or Err = 3151 Or Err = 91 Or Err = 7874 Or Err = 3064 Or Err =
3011 Then
 Debug.Print (Err.Number & " " & Err.Description)
Resume Next
 Else
     MsgBox Err.Description
 End If



From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Sat May 17 21:37:41 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 22:37:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
References: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFAEAIDAAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>
Message-ID: <017701c31ce6$76b2c8f0$6401a8c0@default>

Robert,

Perhaps simply starting with
RefreshDatabaseWindow...?

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Gracie" <Subscriptions at servicexp.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 10:02 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question


>
> I'm trying to backup an open split back-end using the code below. This is
a
> "third" db that is opening up a back-end and copying the tables and data
to
> a newly created db. However I keep getting this error.
>
> 7874 SXP Maintenance System can't find the object 'Customer.' Note: SXP
> Maintenance is the name of the calling db


From rjhalljr at starpower.net  Sat May 17 22:00:13 2003
From: rjhalljr at starpower.net (Bob Hall)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 23:00:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
In-Reply-To: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFAEAIDAAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>
References: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFMEOJCPAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>
	<GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFAEAIDAAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>
Message-ID: <20030518030013.GA625@sten.alder.net>

On Sat, May 17, 2003 at 10:02:17PM -0400, Robert Gracie wrote:
> 
> I'm trying to backup an open split back-end using the code below. This is a
> "third" db that is opening up a back-end and copying the tables and data to
> a newly created db. However I keep getting this error.
> 
> 7874 SXP Maintenance System can't find the object 'Customer.' Note: SXP
> Maintenance is the name of the calling db

Sounds like database corruption. I don't fully understand the internal 
gears and levers, but Access seems to keep two sets of records of the 
objects in a database: one in the system tables, and one in the 
containers. Every once in a long while, when you delete an object, 
it will delete the object from the system tables, which allows the 
db to function normally, but leaves the deleted object name in the 
containers. So if you search the containers for object names, you'll 
get the name of an object that doesn't exist. From your code, I'm 
guessing that that's your problem.

A long term solution might be to search for names in the system tables 
and avoid the containers. To get your existing code working, make a 
backup copy of your mdb file and try one or all of the following:
1) Compact and Repair
2) the decompile switch
3) create an empty mdb file and import all the objects in your old
   mdb into your new, empty mdb. Archive the old mdb and use the 
   new mdb.

Bob Hall

From HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com  Sun May 18 06:01:17 2003
From: HollisVJ at pgdp.usec.com (Hollis,Virginia)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 06:01:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] RE: DBA web site problem
Message-ID: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2DF1C9@exchange.pgdp>

It works, I tried it this morning and can see words now :-)
 
Thanks everyone for the hard work.
 
Va.

-----Original Message-----
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de [mailto:Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de]
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 6:04 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] RE: DBA web site problem


Thank you, Stephen,
appreciate your help very much
Lembit
 
Lembit Soobik


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Jim Lawrence  <mailto:accessd at shaw.ca> (AccessD) 
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>  
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 8:03 PM
Subject: [AccessD] RE: DBA web site problem

Hi All:
 
Stephen Hait has spent some time and resolved the problem. 

It seems to be an issue with the placement of a simple 'spacer' cell. Even
though the size is fixed in the parent window, IE5 has an apparent 'bug'
that causes the 'spacer' cell to always expand 100%, pushing the 'iframe'
contents out of view. By moving the 'spacer' cell from the parent to the
'iframe' content window the error is resolved.

Thanks again to Stephen for his efforts. The chances to the site should be
completed by this weekend.

Jim



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From Subscriptions at servicexp.com  Sun May 18 12:31:42 2003
From: Subscriptions at servicexp.com (Robert Gracie)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 13:31:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
In-Reply-To: <017701c31ce6$76b2c8f0$6401a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFAEAJDAAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>


Thanks, but no go.
 Why will it work if I copy the table into the "calling" db?



Robert Gracie

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
Mattys
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 10:38 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question


Robert,

Perhaps simply starting with
RefreshDatabaseWindow...?

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Gracie" <Subscriptions at servicexp.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 10:02 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question


>
> I'm trying to backup an open split back-end using the code below. This is
a
> "third" db that is opening up a back-end and copying the tables and data
to
> a newly created db. However I keep getting this error.
>
> 7874 SXP Maintenance System can't find the object 'Customer.' Note: SXP
> Maintenance is the name of the calling db

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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Sun May 18 20:03:19 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 21:03:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
References: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFAEAJDAAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>
Message-ID: <01bb01c31da2$7799c720$6401a8c0@default>

Ah, now I think I see the answer.
Use a function like this to copy desired objects:

Function CopyFromTo(sToPath, sNewName, lngObjType, sOldName)
    Dim objAcc As New Access.Application
    objAcc.OpenCurrentDatabase sToPath
    objAcc.DoCmd.CopyObject _
            sToPath, sNewName, lngObjType, sOldName
    objAcc.CloseCurrentDatabase
    objAcc.Quit
    Set objAcc = Nothing
End Function

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Gracie" <Subscriptions at servicexp.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 1:31 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question


>
> Thanks, but no go.
>  Why will it work if I copy the table into the "calling" db?
>
>
>
> Robert Gracie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
> Mattys
> Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 10:38 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
>
>
> Robert,
>
> Perhaps simply starting with
> RefreshDatabaseWindow...?
>
> Michael R. Mattys
> www.mattysconsulting.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Gracie" <Subscriptions at servicexp.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 10:02 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
>
>
> >
> > I'm trying to backup an open split back-end using the code below. This
is
> a
> > "third" db that is opening up a back-end and copying the tables and data
> to
> > a newly created db. However I keep getting this error.
> >
> > 7874 SXP Maintenance System can't find the object 'Customer.' Note: SXP
> > Maintenance is the name of the calling db
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
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>


From Subscriptions at servicexp.com  Sun May 18 20:43:33 2003
From: Subscriptions at servicexp.com (Robert Gracie)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 21:43:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
In-Reply-To: <01bb01c31da2$7799c720$6401a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFCEAKDAAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>


Thanks Michael,
 One last question, if you don't mind....

  How would I use this "objAcc.OpenCurrentDatabase sToPath" with User Level
Security turned on?

  The "third" db used is managed under the same security group as the db
that I want to backup...

Thanks A Million
Robert Gracie


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
Mattys
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 9:03 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question


Ah, now I think I see the answer.
Use a function like this to copy desired objects:

Function CopyFromTo(sToPath, sNewName, lngObjType, sOldName)
    Dim objAcc As New Access.Application
    objAcc.OpenCurrentDatabase sToPath
    objAcc.DoCmd.CopyObject _
            sToPath, sNewName, lngObjType, sOldName
    objAcc.CloseCurrentDatabase
    objAcc.Quit
    Set objAcc = Nothing
End Function

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Gracie" <Subscriptions at servicexp.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 1:31 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question


>
> Thanks, but no go.
>  Why will it work if I copy the table into the "calling" db?
>
>
>
> Robert Gracie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
> Mattys
> Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 10:38 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
>
>
> Robert,
>
> Perhaps simply starting with
> RefreshDatabaseWindow...?
>
> Michael R. Mattys
> www.mattysconsulting.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Gracie" <Subscriptions at servicexp.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 10:02 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
>
>
> >
> > I'm trying to backup an open split back-end using the code below. This
is
> a
> > "third" db that is opening up a back-end and copying the tables and data
> to
> > a newly created db. However I keep getting this error.
> >
> > 7874 SXP Maintenance System can't find the object 'Customer.' Note: SXP
> > Maintenance is the name of the calling db
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
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>

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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Sun May 18 21:02:44 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 22:02:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
References: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFCEAKDAAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>
Message-ID: <01c501c31daa$c457a570$6401a8c0@default>

ACC2000: How to Use the OpenDatabase Method to Open
                        Password-Protected Databases
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;209953

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Gracie" <Subscriptions at servicexp.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 9:43 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question


>
> Thanks Michael,
>  One last question, if you don't mind....
>
>   How would I use this "objAcc.OpenCurrentDatabase sToPath" with User
Level
> Security turned on?
>
>   The "third" db used is managed under the same security group as the db
> that I want to backup...
>
> Thanks A Million
> Robert Gracie
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
> Mattys
> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 9:03 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
>
>
> Ah, now I think I see the answer.
> Use a function like this to copy desired objects:
>
> Function CopyFromTo(sToPath, sNewName, lngObjType, sOldName)
>     Dim objAcc As New Access.Application
>     objAcc.OpenCurrentDatabase sToPath
>     objAcc.DoCmd.CopyObject _
>             sToPath, sNewName, lngObjType, sOldName
>     objAcc.CloseCurrentDatabase
>     objAcc.Quit
>     Set objAcc = Nothing
> End Function
>
> Michael R. Mattys
> www.mattysconsulting.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Gracie" <Subscriptions at servicexp.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 1:31 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
>
>
> >
> > Thanks, but no go.
> >  Why will it work if I copy the table into the "calling" db?
> >
> >
> >
> > Robert Gracie
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
> > Mattys
> > Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 10:38 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
> >
> >
> > Robert,
> >
> > Perhaps simply starting with
> > RefreshDatabaseWindow...?
> >
> > Michael R. Mattys
> > www.mattysconsulting.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Robert Gracie" <Subscriptions at servicexp.com>
> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 10:02 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I'm trying to backup an open split back-end using the code below. This
> is
> > a
> > > "third" db that is opening up a back-end and copying the tables and
data
> > to
> > > a newly created db. However I keep getting this error.
> > >
> > > 7874 SXP Maintenance System can't find the object 'Customer.' Note:
SXP
> > > Maintenance is the name of the calling db
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Sun May 18 21:05:48 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 22:05:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
References: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFCEAKDAAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>
Message-ID: <01d501c31dab$2c35c3c0$6401a8c0@default>

Ooops, scratch  that
Need to check permissions
What version of Access?

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

From Subscriptions at servicexp.com  Sun May 18 21:25:29 2003
From: Subscriptions at servicexp.com (Robert Gracie)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 22:25:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
In-Reply-To: <01d501c31dab$2c35c3c0$6401a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFMEAKDAAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>


A2K

Robert Gracie

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
Mattys
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 10:06 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question


Ooops, scratch  that
Need to check permissions
What version of Access?

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com
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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Sun May 18 21:42:59 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 22:42:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
References: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFMEAKDAAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>
Message-ID: <01e901c31db0$aa93d310$6401a8c0@default>

Robert,

No matter on version for DAO 3.6,
though I do have ADOX code.

I don't think I can post the code for
ADH 97 Chapter 14. 

Msg Sent to Robert Gracie

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Gracie" <Subscriptions at servicexp.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 10:25 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question


> 
> A2K
> 
> Robert Gracie
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
> Mattys
> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 10:06 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
> 
> 
> Ooops, scratch  that
> Need to check permissions
> What version of Access?
> 
> Michael R. Mattys
> www.mattysconsulting.com
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
> 
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From Subscriptions at servicexp.com  Sun May 18 21:57:52 2003
From: Subscriptions at servicexp.com (Robert Gracie)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 22:57:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
In-Reply-To: <01e901c31db0$aa93d310$6401a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFGEALDAAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>



I have the 2000 ADH , if that matters at all....


Robert Gracie

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
Mattys
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 10:43 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question


Robert,

No matter on version for DAO 3.6,
though I do have ADOX code.

I don't think I can post the code for
ADH 97 Chapter 14. 

Msg Sent to Robert Gracie

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Gracie" <Subscriptions at servicexp.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 10:25 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question


> 
> A2K
> 
> Robert Gracie
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
> Mattys
> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 10:06 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
> 
> 
> Ooops, scratch  that
> Need to check permissions
> What version of Access?
> 
> Michael R. Mattys
> www.mattysconsulting.com
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
> 
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Sun May 18 22:03:29 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 23:03:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
References: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFMEAKDAAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>
	<01e901c31db0$aa93d310$6401a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <020401c31db3$3b0c01e0$6401a8c0@default>

Robert,

Did you receive my message to SubscriptionsAtServiceXP?

Any luck?

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

From Subscriptions at servicexp.com  Sun May 18 22:06:11 2003
From: Subscriptions at servicexp.com (Robert Gracie)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 23:06:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
In-Reply-To: <020401c31db3$3b0c01e0$6401a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFOEALDAAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>


No I didn't;  try --  Robert at servicexp.com


Thanks!!
Robert Gracie

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
Mattys
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 11:03 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question


Robert,

Did you receive my message to SubscriptionsAtServiceXP?

Any luck?

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com
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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Sun May 18 22:52:08 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 23:52:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
References: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFOEALDAAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>
Message-ID: <022d01c31dba$0d866560$6401a8c0@default>

Robert,

Your server is not responding
I guess you couldn't have received my message

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Gracie" <Subscriptions at servicexp.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 11:06 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question

> No I didn't;  try --  Robert at servicexp.com
> 
> 
> Thanks!!
> Robert Gracie

From bchacc at san.rr.com  Sun May 18 23:42:11 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 21:42:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
Message-ID: <013901c31dc1$0343e260$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Dear List(s):

Got a new computer to put into a room where we can't reach it with CAT-5.  So I've been ready to go wireless, except someone suggested using the phone lines in the house (just as a substitute wire) instead of wireless.  Apparently, there's a device that will connect the NIC and the phone jack and you can use the phone wires in the house for networking.

Sounds, easy, and cheap, and low tech.  Anyone know about this?

MTIA

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software
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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Mon May 19 02:38:41 2003
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 11:38:41 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] MS DLL HELL ... OOPS MS DLL Help Database :)
Message-ID: <001a01c31dd9$b01327e0$b501010a@DAISY.local>

Hi All,

I've got today a useful link on MS Site:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=/servicedesks/fileversion/dll
info.asp  (watch line wrap!)

Go have a look if you didn't yet know about that - it was a new info for me
today and I was a kind of surprised they (finally? or a long ago?) published
this info. Why they didn't yet publish in that compact way the info what of
these DLLs are compatible and what are incompatible? - just wondering...

Shamil

--
e-mail: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru
Web: http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s



From michael.broesdorf at web.de  Mon May 19 03:23:18 2003
From: michael.broesdorf at web.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michael_Br=F6sdorf?=)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:23:18 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] ODBC-Problem (Cross-posted)
In-Reply-To: <001a01c31dd9$b01327e0$b501010a@DAISY.local>
Message-ID: <NEBBIILOPOPJBCLJIJHHGEMJEAAA.michael.broesdorf@web.de>

Hi all,

I have a strange problem with my Access 2K app:

The app uses linked ODBC tables to connect to a SQL-Server 2000. One of the
tables actually links a view that combines data from 2 tables. A data entry
form is based on that linked table.

I can update data in all the fields with one exception: when I try to update
data in fields that originate from both base tables I get this ODBC error:

"[Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][SQL Server]View of function
'dbo.myview' is not updateable because the modification affects multiple
base tables. (#4405#)"

It does not make a difference if I try that in the data entry form or the
linked table directly.

Now, the strange thing is, if I open the view on the server using the
enterprise manager, I _can_ update fields from different base tables
simultaneously.

Is there any way to 'convince' my app, that this kind of updates _is_
possible?



Michael


From michael.broesdorf at web.de  Mon May 19 03:23:18 2003
From: michael.broesdorf at web.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michael_Br=F6sdorf?=)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:23:18 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer]ODBC-Problem (Cross-posted)
In-Reply-To: <001a01c31dd9$b01327e0$b501010a@DAISY.local>
Message-ID: <NEBBIILOPOPJBCLJIJHHGEMJEAAA.michael.broesdorf@web.de>

Hi all,

I have a strange problem with my Access 2K app:

The app uses linked ODBC tables to connect to a SQL-Server 2000. One of the
tables actually links a view that combines data from 2 tables. A data entry
form is based on that linked table.

I can update data in all the fields with one exception: when I try to update
data in fields that originate from both base tables I get this ODBC error:

"[Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][SQL Server]View of function
'dbo.myview' is not updateable because the modification affects multiple
base tables. (#4405#)"

It does not make a difference if I try that in the data entry form or the
linked table directly.

Now, the strange thing is, if I open the view on the server using the
enterprise manager, I _can_ update fields from different base tables
simultaneously.

Is there any way to 'convince' my app, that this kind of updates _is_
possible?



Michael

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From Subscriptions at servicexp.com  Mon May 19 06:05:01 2003
From: Subscriptions at servicexp.com (Robert Gracie)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 07:05:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
In-Reply-To: <022d01c31dba$0d866560$6401a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFOEANDAAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>

Hmmmmmm,
 That is strange, I just ran a bunch of test msg through both accounts, and
at this point all is working ok.

If you don't mind could you send it again, or if you have ADH 2000, guide me
to where I should be looking...


Thanks for all your help!!

Robert Gracie
http://servicexp.com



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
Mattys
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 11:52 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question


Robert,

Your server is not responding
I guess you couldn't have received my message

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Gracie" <Subscriptions at servicexp.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 11:06 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question

> No I didn't;  try --  Robert at servicexp.com
>
>
> Thanks!!
> Robert Gracie
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From nancy.lytle at auatac.com  Mon May 19 06:57:08 2003
From: nancy.lytle at auatac.com (Nancy Lytle)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 07:57:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL List
In-Reply-To: <003401c31c9e$6b1bcb60$daa1fea9@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <OPEHJDCMPKDOHDELKBPHIENIDLAA.nancy.lytle@auatac.com>

Message
I would recommend getting, The Guru's Guide to Transact-SQL by Ken
Henderson,
and Writing Stored Procedures for Microsoft SQL Server by Matt Shepker.

They are very useful for what you need.

HTH,
N Lytle
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From artful at rogers.com  Mon May 19 07:23:11 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 08:23:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL List
In-Reply-To: <003401c31c9e$6b1bcb60$daa1fea9@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <03a401c31e01$6a0db670$8e01a8c0@Rock>

I played with your problem and came up with a "solution", but then re-read
your note and discovered that I had missed part of the problem. The phrase
"grouping sort" confuses me. Do you mean something like this:
 
PK    FK    YourColumn
1    1    10
2    1    20
3    2    10
4    2    20
5    3    10
6    1    40
 
If so, you're right, it is a little tricky. In the sample above, you need to
find the largest value in YourColumn where the FK is equal to the FK you are
inserting. Is that what you need?
 
Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Karen Feller
Nicholson
Sent: May 17, 2003 2:02 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL List


Well Well.  Let me confess to what I have done THIS time.  Years ago I
started out as a contract Access programmer and had never touched Access.
Now I went and got myself hired at this great company as Database
Administrator for SQL and a Crystal Programmer.  Oh my.  I started Friday;
they interviewed me Tuesday afternoon and called me Thursday afternoon to
start.  They know I am not that proficient in SQL and Crystal, but they
seemed more interested in my personality than my job skills.  So there is
this SQL program already written, MasterMind, that I have to write triggers
and stored procedures, creating these for various departments to write
reports.  I got tired of consulting after 8 years - too much going on at
once and then waiting for cheap ***'s to pay us.  So I walked out and left
my poor partner here WILD EYED as he now has enough work for 1.5 Access
programmers and is only one person.  I got an earful when I came home Friday
night.  My first project thrown at me was to add a column to a table that
increments values by 10, renumerating when the grouping sort changes.
Figured that would be easy - ha ha.  I am delving into the cursor crap, did
the increment value in the table itself but it does not know when to start
back again at 10.  That is my current dilemma.  I am sure that I will catch
on, but I am sure to be a pain in the bum for a month or two until I get my
feet under me.  Anybody ever work with MasterMind which I have nicked named
MasterBa*** at this point.  Fun fun.  All help is appreciated.  And anyone
who can calm Mike down with his new found too much work scenario as well.
He smoked two packs of cigarettes my first day on the job!!!!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Wortz,  <mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us> Charles 
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 01:03 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] SQL List

Karen,
 
As you see from the list Dave gives you, there are many flavors of SQL.
Which flavor are you most interested in? M$'s Jet SQL for the Jet db engine,
or M$'s T-SQL for the SQL Server engine, or ANSI SQL that everybody claims
to be compliant with but does not fully implement?

Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 

-----Original Message-----
From: dave sharpe [mailto:davesharpe2 at cox.net] 
Sent: Saturday 2003 May 17 11:29
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL List


Karen
 
http://groups.yahoo.com/
 
Has a "SQL_beginners" list
 
Do a search there. They have over 500 SQL related groups.
 
Dave

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Karen  <mailto:ksfeller at earthlink.net> Feller Nicholson 
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 8:58 AM
Subject: [AccessD] SQL List

Does anyone belong to an SQL list similiar to this Access List that they
recommend?  
Karen S. Nicholson
(724) 942-3437
ksfeller at earthlink.net



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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Mon May 19 07:29:10 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 05:29:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
In-Reply-To: <013901c31dc1$0343e260$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <20030519122910.46917.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com>

I highly recommend against this.  Most telephone
wiring in homes is CAT3 *AT BEST*.  In alot of cases,
not even that good.

Most home telephone wiring is so splices and
mickey-moused together that you will be lucky if you
get any connection at all.  And if you do, it will
probably be spotty, at best, due to electromagenetic
interferance from other devices.

Network engineering is what I do for a living.  I'd go
wireless LONG before I'd trust home telco wiring for
my LAN.  Myself, I strung CAT5 in my house.  But
that's because I know how to.  For most home users
wireless would be a perfect fit.  If you're worried
about people leeching your bandwidth or "sniffing" off
of your wireless LAN, there are ways to lock it down,
simply.  Will it stop the determined leech?  Nope. 
But it would stop 90% of the leeches that are out
there, because most are just looking for free
bandwidth.  Not to mention, I'd think you'd notice
someone sitting in front of your house with a
laptop....hehehee

--- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
<bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> Dear List(s):
> 
> Got a new computer to put into a room where we can't
> reach it with CAT-5.  So I've been ready to go
> wireless, except someone suggested using the phone
> lines in the house (just as a substitute wire)
> instead of wireless.  Apparently, there's a device
> that will connect the NIC and the phone jack and you
> can use the phone wires in the house for networking.
> 
> Sounds, easy, and cheap, and low tech.  Anyone know
> about this?
> 
> MTIA
> 
> Rocky Smolin
> Beach Access Software
> > _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Mon May 19 07:36:50 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 08:36:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
References: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFOEANDAAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>
Message-ID: <025101c31e03$53b8eff0$6401a8c0@default>

Robert,

I sent to you adhCheckPermission last night and this morning.
No "Return To Sender" was issued.

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Gracie" <Subscriptions at servicexp.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 7:05 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question


> Hmmmmmm,
>  That is strange, I just ran a bunch of test msg through both accounts,
and
> at this point all is working ok.
>
> If you don't mind could you send it again, or if you have ADH 2000, guide
me
> to where I should be looking...
>
>
> Thanks for all your help!!
>
> Robert Gracie
> http://servicexp.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
> Mattys
> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 11:52 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
>
>
> Robert,
>
> Your server is not responding
> I guess you couldn't have received my message
>
> Michael R. Mattys
> www.mattysconsulting.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Gracie" <Subscriptions at servicexp.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 11:06 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
>
> > No I didn't;  try --  Robert at servicexp.com
> >
> >
> > Thanks!!
> > Robert Gracie
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From marcel.vreuls at oop.nl  Mon May 19 07:35:13 2003
From: marcel.vreuls at oop.nl (Marcel Vreuls)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 14:35:13 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: TEST
In-Reply-To: <F11pw4SvcDfSDGAIXWb00013e6c@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000101c31e03$18595a30$c100a8c0@OOPMBO>




From delliker at hotmail.com  Mon May 19 08:28:13 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 09:28:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BE, Back Up Question
Message-ID: <Law12-F112UDrFVFURx0002b6da@hotmail.com>

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From sgeller at cce.umn.edu  Mon May 19 08:35:12 2003
From: sgeller at cce.umn.edu (Susan Geller)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 08:35:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale
Message-ID: <CD6E25A7E2F6734FA126AED83B9D54FB01119B83@ccemail2.cce.local>

John,

I'm actively in search of a Dell so this offer is appealing, but I can't recreate it on the Dell site.  I get much closer to $1000 than $500.  To get the price you have below, looks like I need to get a Celeron, but your description below is for the Pentium 4.  Can you give me a good link to follow to get this price point?

--Susan


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 10:31 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale


Just a heads up for anyone looking for a new box.  Dell is having a sale. Cheapest I can get is $466:

Dimension 2350 Series
Intel? Pentium? 4 Processor at 2.20GHz with 512K L2 Cache

 Qty: 1
 Price: $539.00

    Date: Friday, May 16, 2003 10:27:05 AM CDT
    Catalog Number: 4 04
Dimension 2350 Series:   Intel? Pentium? 4 Processor at 2.20GHz with 512K L2
Cache   DX2322   [221-1776]
Memory:   128MB DDR-SDRAM   128M   [311-1648]
Keyboard:   Dell? Quietkey? Keyboard   QK   [310-1582]
Monitor:   No Monitor   N   [320-3000]
Video Card:   Integrated Intel? Extreme 3D Graphics   IV   [430-3900]
Hard Drive:   FREE UPGRADE! 60GB Ultra ATA/100 7200RPM Hard Drive   60P
[461-9796]
Floppy Drive and Additional Storage Devices:   No Floppy Drive   NFD
[340-8688]
Operating System:   Microsoft? Windows? XP Professional??   WPXP
[313-7222] [412-0309] [420-1922]
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Network Interface:   Integrated 10/100 Ethernet   IN   [430-0441]
Modem:   No Modem Requested   N   [313-3607]
CD or DVD Drive:   48x Max CD-ROM Drive   CD48   [313-1476]
Sound Card:   Integrated Audio   IS   [313-0847]
Speakers:   No Speaker Option   N   [313-4514]
Bundled Software:   WordPerfect? Productivity Pack with Quicken New User
Edition   COREL   [412-0302]
Security Software:   Dell SecurityCenter by McAfee, 90-day introductory
offer   MCAFE90   [412-0326]
Digital Music:   Dell Jukebox powered by MUSICMATCH   MMBASE   [412-0298]
Digital Photography:   Dell Picture Studio Image Expert Standard   DPS
[412-0271] [412-0273]
Limited Warranty, Services and Support Options:   1 Year Limited Warranty
plus 1 Year On-site Service   AUY111   [412-0360] [900-9054] [950-7960]
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They show the price as $539 but in the checkout line they subtract $48 for a coupon - 43C49AB1D6C5 and a $50 "rebate", for a final price of 466.51.  Box only, no monitor, no floppy, 128mb ram.

Not a bad price!

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From BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com  Mon May 19 08:44:59 2003
From: BBarabash at TappeConstruction.com (Brett Barabash)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 08:44:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS: <no su
	bject>)
Message-ID: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB2338C7A3@TAPPEEXCH01>

I agree completely with that concept, John.
But what about code WITHIN the class itself?  Do you refer to the
module-level variable, or the Property?


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 6:26 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS: <no
subject>)


Brett,

That is a good question.  The reason most often given for using properties
to get / set a private variable rather than dimming the variable public is
simply the ability to control access to the variable.  It goes back to the
global argument in essence.  By controlling writes through a let statement,
you can do parameter checking.  For example, suppose you are building a car
and you want a "doors" variable that says how many doors it has.  By feeding
it through a let statement, you can check that the value passed in is >0 and
<6 or something similar.  The question then becomes, if I don't have to do
any such checking do (should) I still use get / let?

Of course there are also times where you want to provide a read only value.
I.e. the value is set by some process and the value can only be read out.
The Acceleration of the car is determined by the weight, horsepower,
transmission, rear axle etc, all fed into a complex function and provided as
a readable value.  No "user" of the class should be able to write directly
to this variable.

And finally there are times (seldom but possible) where you want a write
only variable - password for example.

I try very hard to dim all class variables private and use property get /
let to read / write the value.  That way if later on I do want to restrict
access in any way, I simply go to my existing get / let and add the
functionality I desire.  The "interface" doesn't break because the user is
always forced to go through my properties.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 4:36 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS: <no
subject>)


That raises a good question, since I am not from the elite OO camp, I'd like
to know this:
Is it considered a bad practice to refer to the underlying variable within a
class directly?

Bryan, no need to apologize.  You may have stirred up an interesting
discussion, even if by accident.


-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 3:16 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD]


Now I'm thoroughly confused as to whose head is being bashed and why.
You can create private Let and Get properties, although a private Get
seems pointless to me, since it will only be available within the class
module and you don't really need it there except maybe for symmetry.  A
private Let property, on the other hand, could be called and used within
the class itself, so it might be useful.  Now, which one of you was
wrong ... And about what???

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 11:44 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD]


On 17 May 2003 at 1:05, Bruce Bruen wrote:

> However, re Bryan's comment - why can't the attribute value setting
> code be private - fundamentally it's an attribute that <u>cannot</u>
> be updated via this interface, but it does need to be visible to users

> of the class.  In this case the clubname is retrieved internally in
> the class - it is a header for the object.
>
> I don't believe that the public get/private let construct is
> syntactically incorrect.  However, is it philosophically incorrect?  I

It's not. I made a boo-boo.

All VB(A) programming has taken a back seat for me these days. PHP is
what I've been doing recently, so chalk it up to brain freeze.

Doh! (Bashes head against keyboard repeatedly) Doh! Doh! :)

Sorry 'bout that.

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon May 19 08:53:04 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 06:53:04 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
References: <20030519122910.46917.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <005601c31e0d$f827ec80$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Frank:

Thanks for the heads up.  I can get CAT5 to that room but it will cost
$500-600 because of where it is.  :(

Looks like wireless for me.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:29 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


> I highly recommend against this.  Most telephone
> wiring in homes is CAT3 *AT BEST*.  In alot of cases,
> not even that good.
>
> Most home telephone wiring is so splices and
> mickey-moused together that you will be lucky if you
> get any connection at all.  And if you do, it will
> probably be spotty, at best, due to electromagenetic
> interferance from other devices.
>
> Network engineering is what I do for a living.  I'd go
> wireless LONG before I'd trust home telco wiring for
> my LAN.  Myself, I strung CAT5 in my house.  But
> that's because I know how to.  For most home users
> wireless would be a perfect fit.  If you're worried
> about people leeching your bandwidth or "sniffing" off
> of your wireless LAN, there are ways to lock it down,
> simply.  Will it stop the determined leech?  Nope.
> But it would stop 90% of the leeches that are out
> there, because most are just looking for free
> bandwidth.  Not to mention, I'd think you'd notice
> someone sitting in front of your house with a
> laptop....hehehee
>
> --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > Dear List(s):
> >
> > Got a new computer to put into a room where we can't
> > reach it with CAT-5.  So I've been ready to go
> > wireless, except someone suggested using the phone
> > lines in the house (just as a substitute wire)
> > instead of wireless.  Apparently, there's a device
> > that will connect the NIC and the phone jack and you
> > can use the phone wires in the house for networking.
> >
> > Sounds, easy, and cheap, and low tech.  Anyone know
> > about this?
> >
> > MTIA
> >
> > Rocky Smolin
> > Beach Access Software
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon May 19 09:01:36 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:01:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale
In-Reply-To: <CD6E25A7E2F6734FA126AED83B9D54FB01119B83@ccemail2.cce.local>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOENKDMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>


http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?CS=04&kc=6W300&oc=dim4550
2

Upgrade to XP Pro (Highly recommended!)

Click Continue until you get to "Checkout"
Go to Checkout.  Enter 43C49AB1D6C5 in the coupon code box and click Apply
Coupon

At this point you should see the price of $659 minus discounts of $155.  the
specific package I was seeing the other day was for 128mb RAM and this one
is 256mb.  You have to jump on any offer they make pretty much within a day
or so or they change it around.

This does include free shipping.

~$500 + tax for package delivered.  Understand that my assumption is that
you are upgrading an existing system (buying just the box) so you are not
buying a monitor, router on any of that stuff.  Also this system comes with
no floppy.  Of course you can go through and add anything you want from
there but the cost will go up.

Happy hunting.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Geller
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:35 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale


John,

I'm actively in search of a Dell so this offer is appealing, but I can't
recreate it on the Dell site.  I get much closer to $1000 than $500.  To get
the price you have below, looks like I need to get a Celeron, but your
description below is for the Pentium 4.  Can you give me a good link to
follow to get this price point?

--Susan




From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon May 19 09:04:25 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:04:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS: <no
	subject>)
In-Reply-To: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB2338C7A3@TAPPEEXCH01>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCENLDMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Within the class itself all code directly references the variable.  If you
think you are going to forget something and want to do the same filtering
that outside users see, go ahead and use the properties.  My assumption is
that properties are for those dumb programmers using my object, not the dumb
programmer creating my object.  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:45 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS: <no
subject>)


I agree completely with that concept, John.
But what about code WITHIN the class itself?  Do you refer to the
module-level variable, or the Property?


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 6:26 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS: <no
subject>)


Brett,

That is a good question.  The reason most often given for using properties
to get / set a private variable rather than dimming the variable public is
simply the ability to control access to the variable.  It goes back to the
global argument in essence.  By controlling writes through a let statement,
you can do parameter checking.  For example, suppose you are building a car
and you want a "doors" variable that says how many doors it has.  By feeding
it through a let statement, you can check that the value passed in is >0 and
<6 or something similar.  The question then becomes, if I don't have to do
any such checking do (should) I still use get / let?

Of course there are also times where you want to provide a read only value.
I.e. the value is set by some process and the value can only be read out.
The Acceleration of the car is determined by the weight, horsepower,
transmission, rear axle etc, all fed into a complex function and provided as
a readable value.  No "user" of the class should be able to write directly
to this variable.

And finally there are times (seldom but possible) where you want a write
only variable - password for example.

I try very hard to dim all class variables private and use property get /
let to read / write the value.  That way if later on I do want to restrict
access in any way, I simply go to my existing get / let and add the
functionality I desire.  The "interface" doesn't break because the user is
always forced to go through my properties.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 4:36 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS: <no
subject>)


That raises a good question, since I am not from the elite OO camp, I'd like
to know this:
Is it considered a bad practice to refer to the underlying variable within a
class directly?

Bryan, no need to apologize.  You may have stirred up an interesting
discussion, even if by accident.


-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 3:16 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD]


Now I'm thoroughly confused as to whose head is being bashed and why.
You can create private Let and Get properties, although a private Get
seems pointless to me, since it will only be available within the class
module and you don't really need it there except maybe for symmetry.  A
private Let property, on the other hand, could be called and used within
the class itself, so it might be useful.  Now, which one of you was
wrong ... And about what???

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 11:44 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD]


On 17 May 2003 at 1:05, Bruce Bruen wrote:

> However, re Bryan's comment - why can't the attribute value setting
> code be private - fundamentally it's an attribute that <u>cannot</u>
> be updated via this interface, but it does need to be visible to users

> of the class.  In this case the clubname is retrieved internally in
> the class - it is a header for the object.
>
> I don't believe that the public get/private let construct is
> syntactically incorrect.  However, is it philosophically incorrect?  I

It's not. I made a boo-boo.

All VB(A) programming has taken a back seat for me these days. PHP is
what I've been doing recently, so chalk it up to brain freeze.

Doh! (Bashes head against keyboard repeatedly) Doh! Doh! :)

Sorry 'bout that.

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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Mon May 19 09:10:17 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:10:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS:
    <nosubject>)
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85C03@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

I normally refer to the private variable too but I've also referred to the property by name.  Why?  Because if I have a large class with a lot of private variables/properties if I use Me.PropertyName syntax I can use the built-in Intellisense feature to grab the property name for me rather than ask "what was that variable called?".

HTH,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 10:04 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS:
<nosubject>)


Within the class itself all code directly references the variable.  If you
think you are going to forget something and want to do the same filtering
that outside users see, go ahead and use the properties.  My assumption is
that properties are for those dumb programmers using my object, not the dumb
programmer creating my object.  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:45 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS: <no
subject>)


I agree completely with that concept, John.
But what about code WITHIN the class itself?  Do you refer to the
module-level variable, or the Property?


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 6:26 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS: <no
subject>)


Brett,

That is a good question.  The reason most often given for using properties
to get / set a private variable rather than dimming the variable public is
simply the ability to control access to the variable.  It goes back to the
global argument in essence.  By controlling writes through a let statement,
you can do parameter checking.  For example, suppose you are building a car
and you want a "doors" variable that says how many doors it has.  By feeding
it through a let statement, you can check that the value passed in is >0 and
<6 or something similar.  The question then becomes, if I don't have to do
any such checking do (should) I still use get / let?

Of course there are also times where you want to provide a read only value.
I.e. the value is set by some process and the value can only be read out.
The Acceleration of the car is determined by the weight, horsepower,
transmission, rear axle etc, all fed into a complex function and provided as
a readable value.  No "user" of the class should be able to write directly
to this variable.

And finally there are times (seldom but possible) where you want a write
only variable - password for example.

I try very hard to dim all class variables private and use property get /
let to read / write the value.  That way if later on I do want to restrict
access in any way, I simply go to my existing get / let and add the
functionality I desire.  The "interface" doesn't break because the user is
always forced to go through my properties.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 4:36 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS: <no
subject>)


That raises a good question, since I am not from the elite OO camp, I'd like
to know this:
Is it considered a bad practice to refer to the underlying variable within a
class directly?

Bryan, no need to apologize.  You may have stirred up an interesting
discussion, even if by accident.


-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 3:16 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD]


Now I'm thoroughly confused as to whose head is being bashed and why.
You can create private Let and Get properties, although a private Get
seems pointless to me, since it will only be available within the class
module and you don't really need it there except maybe for symmetry.  A
private Let property, on the other hand, could be called and used within
the class itself, so it might be useful.  Now, which one of you was
wrong ... And about what???

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 11:44 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD]


On 17 May 2003 at 1:05, Bruce Bruen wrote:

> However, re Bryan's comment - why can't the attribute value setting
> code be private - fundamentally it's an attribute that <u>cannot</u>
> be updated via this interface, but it does need to be visible to users

> of the class.  In this case the clubname is retrieved internally in
> the class - it is a header for the object.
>
> I don't believe that the public get/private let construct is
> syntactically incorrect.  However, is it philosophically incorrect?  I

It's not. I made a boo-boo.

All VB(A) programming has taken a back seat for me these days. PHP is
what I've been doing recently, so chalk it up to brain freeze.

Doh! (Bashes head against keyboard repeatedly) Doh! Doh! :)

Sorry 'bout that.

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon May 19 09:12:23 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 07:12:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
References: <20030519122910.46917.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com>
	<005601c31e0d$f827ec80$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <007101c31e10$ab1117c0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Frank:

Here's another question:  Can I daisy chain a wireless router to my wired
router?  I'm out of ports.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 6:53 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


> Frank:
>
> Thanks for the heads up.  I can get CAT5 to that room but it will cost
> $500-600 because of where it is.  :(
>
> Looks like wireless for me.
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
>
>
> > I highly recommend against this.  Most telephone
> > wiring in homes is CAT3 *AT BEST*.  In alot of cases,
> > not even that good.
> >
> > Most home telephone wiring is so splices and
> > mickey-moused together that you will be lucky if you
> > get any connection at all.  And if you do, it will
> > probably be spotty, at best, due to electromagenetic
> > interferance from other devices.
> >
> > Network engineering is what I do for a living.  I'd go
> > wireless LONG before I'd trust home telco wiring for
> > my LAN.  Myself, I strung CAT5 in my house.  But
> > that's because I know how to.  For most home users
> > wireless would be a perfect fit.  If you're worried
> > about people leeching your bandwidth or "sniffing" off
> > of your wireless LAN, there are ways to lock it down,
> > simply.  Will it stop the determined leech?  Nope.
> > But it would stop 90% of the leeches that are out
> > there, because most are just looking for free
> > bandwidth.  Not to mention, I'd think you'd notice
> > someone sitting in front of your house with a
> > laptop....hehehee
> >
> > --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > > Dear List(s):
> > >
> > > Got a new computer to put into a room where we can't
> > > reach it with CAT-5.  So I've been ready to go
> > > wireless, except someone suggested using the phone
> > > lines in the house (just as a substitute wire)
> > > instead of wireless.  Apparently, there's a device
> > > that will connect the NIC and the phone jack and you
> > > can use the phone wires in the house for networking.
> > >
> > > Sounds, easy, and cheap, and low tech.  Anyone know
> > > about this?
> > >
> > > MTIA
> > >
> > > Rocky Smolin
> > > Beach Access Software
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Mon May 19 09:19:46 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 07:19:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
In-Reply-To: <007101c31e10$ab1117c0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <20030519141946.33206.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com>

Yes, you can.  In fact I am considering this myself,
so that I can have network access in my back yard and
driveway areas.  Yes, I'm a geek at home too...ROFL

Cabling can get very expensive, unless you can do it
yourself.  It's not so much the cable that's
expensive.  It's the labor.  It's a b*tch to snake
that cable throgh the rafters of the house and then
down the inside walls.  Especially if your inside
walls are insulated too, which most are anymore.

I was talking with one of the engineers at DLink, and
they recomment not using more that ten wireless
devices per wireless router.  That's one of the
reasons I could never fully network my house via
wireless.  I have too many network devices and will be
adding more as I automate my home via computer.

--- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
<bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> Frank:
> 
> Here's another question:  Can I daisy chain a
> wireless router to my wired
> router?  I'm out of ports.
> 
> Rocky
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software"
> <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 6:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> lines
> 
> 
> > Frank:
> >
> > Thanks for the heads up.  I can get CAT5 to that
> room but it will cost
> > $500-600 because of where it is.  :(
> >
> > Looks like wireless for me.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:29 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> lines
> >
> >
> > > I highly recommend against this.  Most telephone
> > > wiring in homes is CAT3 *AT BEST*.  In alot of
> cases,
> > > not even that good.
> > >
> > > Most home telephone wiring is so splices and
> > > mickey-moused together that you will be lucky if
> you
> > > get any connection at all.  And if you do, it
> will
> > > probably be spotty, at best, due to
> electromagenetic
> > > interferance from other devices.
> > >
> > > Network engineering is what I do for a living. 
> I'd go
> > > wireless LONG before I'd trust home telco wiring
> for
> > > my LAN.  Myself, I strung CAT5 in my house.  But
> > > that's because I know how to.  For most home
> users
> > > wireless would be a perfect fit.  If you're
> worried
> > > about people leeching your bandwidth or
> "sniffing" off
> > > of your wireless LAN, there are ways to lock it
> down,
> > > simply.  Will it stop the determined leech? 
> Nope.
> > > But it would stop 90% of the leeches that are
> out
> > > there, because most are just looking for free
> > > bandwidth.  Not to mention, I'd think you'd
> notice
> > > someone sitting in front of your house with a
> > > laptop....hehehee
> > >
> > > --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > > > Dear List(s):
> > > >
> > > > Got a new computer to put into a room where we
> can't
> > > > reach it with CAT-5.  So I've been ready to go
> > > > wireless, except someone suggested using the
> phone
> > > > lines in the house (just as a substitute wire)
> > > > instead of wireless.  Apparently, there's a
> device
> > > > that will connect the NIC and the phone jack
> and you
> > > > can use the phone wires in the house for
> networking.
> > > >
> > > > Sounds, easy, and cheap, and low tech.  Anyone
> know
> > > > about this?
> > > >
> > > > MTIA
> > > >
> > > > Rocky Smolin
> > > > Beach Access Software
> > > > >
> _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > >
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> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >
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> > >
> >
> >
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> >
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon May 19 09:23:16 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:23:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS:
	<nosubject>)
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85C03@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEENMDMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Hmm... that certainly works.  I would be careful where I used it however as
there is a speed penalty.  Any function call has to build a stack, push
objects onto the stack, and then return values back to the caller.  If this
is happening as the user types, who cares.  If it is happening in a tight
loop, 20000 times as the user twiddles their thumbs...

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 10:10 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS:
<nosubject>)


I normally refer to the private variable too but I've also referred to the
property by name.  Why?  Because if I have a large class with a lot of
private variables/properties if I use Me.PropertyName syntax I can use the
built-in Intellisense feature to grab the property name for me rather than
ask "what was that variable called?".

HTH,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 10:04 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS:
<nosubject>)


Within the class itself all code directly references the variable.  If you
think you are going to forget something and want to do the same filtering
that outside users see, go ahead and use the properties.  My assumption is
that properties are for those dumb programmers using my object, not the dumb
programmer creating my object.  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:45 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS: <no
subject>)


I agree completely with that concept, John.
But what about code WITHIN the class itself?  Do you refer to the
module-level variable, or the Property?


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 6:26 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS: <no
subject>)


Brett,

That is a good question.  The reason most often given for using properties
to get / set a private variable rather than dimming the variable public is
simply the ability to control access to the variable.  It goes back to the
global argument in essence.  By controlling writes through a let statement,
you can do parameter checking.  For example, suppose you are building a car
and you want a "doors" variable that says how many doors it has.  By feeding
it through a let statement, you can check that the value passed in is >0 and
<6 or something similar.  The question then becomes, if I don't have to do
any such checking do (should) I still use get / let?

Of course there are also times where you want to provide a read only value.
I.e. the value is set by some process and the value can only be read out.
The Acceleration of the car is determined by the weight, horsepower,
transmission, rear axle etc, all fed into a complex function and provided as
a readable value.  No "user" of the class should be able to write directly
to this variable.

And finally there are times (seldom but possible) where you want a write
only variable - password for example.

I try very hard to dim all class variables private and use property get /
let to read / write the value.  That way if later on I do want to restrict
access in any way, I simply go to my existing get / let and add the
functionality I desire.  The "interface" doesn't break because the user is
always forced to go through my properties.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 4:36 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS: <no
subject>)


That raises a good question, since I am not from the elite OO camp, I'd like
to know this:
Is it considered a bad practice to refer to the underlying variable within a
class directly?

Bryan, no need to apologize.  You may have stirred up an interesting
discussion, even if by accident.


-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 3:16 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD]


Now I'm thoroughly confused as to whose head is being bashed and why.
You can create private Let and Get properties, although a private Get
seems pointless to me, since it will only be available within the class
module and you don't really need it there except maybe for symmetry.  A
private Let property, on the other hand, could be called and used within
the class itself, so it might be useful.  Now, which one of you was
wrong ... And about what???

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 11:44 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD]


On 17 May 2003 at 1:05, Bruce Bruen wrote:

> However, re Bryan's comment - why can't the attribute value setting
> code be private - fundamentally it's an attribute that <u>cannot</u>
> be updated via this interface, but it does need to be visible to users

> of the class.  In this case the clubname is retrieved internally in
> the class - it is a header for the object.
>
> I don't believe that the public get/private let construct is
> syntactically incorrect.  However, is it philosophically incorrect?  I

It's not. I made a boo-boo.

All VB(A) programming has taken a back seat for me these days. PHP is
what I've been doing recently, so chalk it up to brain freeze.

Doh! (Bashes head against keyboard repeatedly) Doh! Doh! :)

Sorry 'bout that.

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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Mon May 19 09:23:24 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 07:23:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
In-Reply-To: <005601c31e0d$f827ec80$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <20030519142324.49431.qmail@web13409.mail.yahoo.com>

No problemo.  When I wired all of the network
connections in my house, I also wired all of the phone
lines using CAT5.  Mainly because I can.  It DOES help
with phone clarity, but not really enough to justify
the expense unless you're already doing it.  And I get
the added bonus of telling the phone company they're
full of it when they try to tell me the noise on the
line is because of the wiring in my house....hehehe

I am my Internet and phone company's worst nightmare. 
A "user" that knows more than their support
people....hehe  I usually ask to speak directly to
their Network Ops people so I can tell them how to fix
the problem, rather than just telling them I have a
problem...hehehe

--- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
<bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> Frank:
> 
> Thanks for the heads up.  I can get CAT5 to that
> room but it will cost
> $500-600 because of where it is.  :(
> 
> Looks like wireless for me.
> 
> Rocky
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> lines
> 
> 
> > I highly recommend against this.  Most telephone
> > wiring in homes is CAT3 *AT BEST*.  In alot of
> cases,
> > not even that good.
> >
> > Most home telephone wiring is so splices and
> > mickey-moused together that you will be lucky if
> you
> > get any connection at all.  And if you do, it will
> > probably be spotty, at best, due to
> electromagenetic
> > interferance from other devices.
> >
> > Network engineering is what I do for a living. 
> I'd go
> > wireless LONG before I'd trust home telco wiring
> for
> > my LAN.  Myself, I strung CAT5 in my house.  But
> > that's because I know how to.  For most home users
> > wireless would be a perfect fit.  If you're
> worried
> > about people leeching your bandwidth or "sniffing"
> off
> > of your wireless LAN, there are ways to lock it
> down,
> > simply.  Will it stop the determined leech?  Nope.
> > But it would stop 90% of the leeches that are out
> > there, because most are just looking for free
> > bandwidth.  Not to mention, I'd think you'd notice
> > someone sitting in front of your house with a
> > laptop....hehehee
> >
> > --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > > Dear List(s):
> > >
> > > Got a new computer to put into a room where we
> can't
> > > reach it with CAT-5.  So I've been ready to go
> > > wireless, except someone suggested using the
> phone
> > > lines in the house (just as a substitute wire)
> > > instead of wireless.  Apparently, there's a
> device
> > > that will connect the NIC and the phone jack and
> you
> > > can use the phone wires in the house for
> networking.
> > >
> > > Sounds, easy, and cheap, and low tech.  Anyone
> know
> > > about this?
> > >
> > > MTIA
> > >
> > > Rocky Smolin
> > > Beach Access Software
> > > >
> _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Mon May 19 09:27:50 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:27:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements
    (WAS:<nosubject>)
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85C04@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Haven't tested that theory but it makes sense.  I wonder if that would have the effect in a fully compiled ActiveX (VB) component as opposed to a class module in Access?

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 10:23 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements
(WAS:<nosubject>)


Hmm... that certainly works.  I would be careful where I used it however as
there is a speed penalty.  Any function call has to build a stack, push
objects onto the stack, and then return values back to the caller.  If this
is happening as the user types, who cares.  If it is happening in a tight
loop, 20000 times as the user twiddles their thumbs...

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 10:10 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS:
<nosubject>)


I normally refer to the private variable too but I've also referred to the
property by name.  Why?  Because if I have a large class with a lot of
private variables/properties if I use Me.PropertyName syntax I can use the
built-in Intellisense feature to grab the property name for me rather than
ask "what was that variable called?".

HTH,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 10:04 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS:
<nosubject>)


Within the class itself all code directly references the variable.  If you
think you are going to forget something and want to do the same filtering
that outside users see, go ahead and use the properties.  My assumption is
that properties are for those dumb programmers using my object, not the dumb
programmer creating my object.  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:45 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS: <no
subject>)


I agree completely with that concept, John.
But what about code WITHIN the class itself?  Do you refer to the
module-level variable, or the Property?


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 6:26 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS: <no
subject>)


Brett,

That is a good question.  The reason most often given for using properties
to get / set a private variable rather than dimming the variable public is
simply the ability to control access to the variable.  It goes back to the
global argument in essence.  By controlling writes through a let statement,
you can do parameter checking.  For example, suppose you are building a car
and you want a "doors" variable that says how many doors it has.  By feeding
it through a let statement, you can check that the value passed in is >0 and
<6 or something similar.  The question then becomes, if I don't have to do
any such checking do (should) I still use get / let?

Of course there are also times where you want to provide a read only value.
I.e. the value is set by some process and the value can only be read out.
The Acceleration of the car is determined by the weight, horsepower,
transmission, rear axle etc, all fed into a complex function and provided as
a readable value.  No "user" of the class should be able to write directly
to this variable.

And finally there are times (seldom but possible) where you want a write
only variable - password for example.

I try very hard to dim all class variables private and use property get /
let to read / write the value.  That way if later on I do want to restrict
access in any way, I simply go to my existing get / let and add the
functionality I desire.  The "interface" doesn't break because the user is
always forced to go through my properties.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 4:36 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS: <no
subject>)


That raises a good question, since I am not from the elite OO camp, I'd like
to know this:
Is it considered a bad practice to refer to the underlying variable within a
class directly?

Bryan, no need to apologize.  You may have stirred up an interesting
discussion, even if by accident.


-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 3:16 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD]


Now I'm thoroughly confused as to whose head is being bashed and why.
You can create private Let and Get properties, although a private Get
seems pointless to me, since it will only be available within the class
module and you don't really need it there except maybe for symmetry.  A
private Let property, on the other hand, could be called and used within
the class itself, so it might be useful.  Now, which one of you was
wrong ... And about what???

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 11:44 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD]


On 17 May 2003 at 1:05, Bruce Bruen wrote:

> However, re Bryan's comment - why can't the attribute value setting
> code be private - fundamentally it's an attribute that <u>cannot</u>
> be updated via this interface, but it does need to be visible to users

> of the class.  In this case the clubname is retrieved internally in
> the class - it is a header for the object.
>
> I don't believe that the public get/private let construct is
> syntactically incorrect.  However, is it philosophically incorrect?  I

It's not. I made a boo-boo.

All VB(A) programming has taken a back seat for me these days. PHP is
what I've been doing recently, so chalk it up to brain freeze.

Doh! (Bashes head against keyboard repeatedly) Doh! Doh! :)

Sorry 'bout that.

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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Mon May 19 09:46:03 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 09:46:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F87818@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Susan,

Are you going to their web site for educators?  They have a web site that gives special discounts to employees of higher education institutions such as you.  Sorry, I do not know the URL since I use their State and Local Government web site.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Monday 2003 May 19 08:35
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale

John,

I'm actively in search of a Dell so this offer is appealing, but I can't recreate it on the Dell site.  I get much closer to $1000 than $500.  To get the price you have below, looks like I need to get a Celeron, but your description below is for the Pentium 4.  Can you give me a good link to follow to get this price point?

--Susan


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 10:31 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale


Just a heads up for anyone looking for a new box.  Dell is having a sale. Cheapest I can get is $466:

Dimension 2350 Series
Intel? Pentium? 4 Processor at 2.20GHz with 512K L2 Cache

 Qty: 1
 Price: $539.00

    Date: Friday, May 16, 2003 10:27:05 AM CDT
    Catalog Number: 4 04
Dimension 2350 Series:   Intel? Pentium? 4 Processor at 2.20GHz with 512K L2
Cache   DX2322   [221-1776]
Memory:   128MB DDR-SDRAM   128M   [311-1648]
Keyboard:   Dell? Quietkey? Keyboard   QK   [310-1582]
Monitor:   No Monitor   N   [320-3000]
Video Card:   Integrated Intel? Extreme 3D Graphics   IV   [430-3900]
Hard Drive:   FREE UPGRADE! 60GB Ultra ATA/100 7200RPM Hard Drive   60P
[461-9796]
Floppy Drive and Additional Storage Devices:   No Floppy Drive   NFD
[340-8688]
Operating System:   Microsoft? Windows? XP Professional??   WPXP
[313-7222] [412-0309] [420-1922]
Mouse:   Dell? 2-button scroll mouse   SM   [310-1871]
Network Interface:   Integrated 10/100 Ethernet   IN   [430-0441]
Modem:   No Modem Requested   N   [313-3607]
CD or DVD Drive:   48x Max CD-ROM Drive   CD48   [313-1476]
Sound Card:   Integrated Audio   IS   [313-0847]
Speakers:   No Speaker Option   N   [313-4514]
Bundled Software:   WordPerfect? Productivity Pack with Quicken New User
Edition   COREL   [412-0302]
Security Software:   Dell SecurityCenter by McAfee, 90-day introductory
offer   MCAFE90   [412-0326]
Digital Music:   Dell Jukebox powered by MUSICMATCH   MMBASE   [412-0298]
Digital Photography:   Dell Picture Studio Image Expert Standard   DPS
[412-0271] [412-0273]
Limited Warranty, Services and Support Options:   1 Year Limited Warranty
plus 1 Year On-site Service   AUY111   [412-0360] [900-9054] [950-7960]
Dial-Up Internet Access:   FREE 6 Months of AOL Internet Access   AOLSMB
[412-0371] [412-0368]
Multi-Media Players:   RealOne(tm) Player, with 14 day SuperPass trial
REALBAS   [412-0380]

They show the price as $539 but in the checkout line they subtract $48 for a coupon - 43C49AB1D6C5 and a $50 "rebate", for a final price of 466.51.  Box only, no monitor, no floppy, 128mb ram.

Not a bad price!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon May 19 09:52:17 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:52:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements
	(WAS:<nosubject>)
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85C04@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKENNDMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Yes, it would.  In the end, all compiling does is eliminate the
interpretation step.  It all eventually ends up as machine code.

Calls to a function must save the portions of the machine state, the program
instruction counter and various registers etc.  It does so by building a
stack where these values are "pushed" onto.  Also any parameters being
passed into the function (for a property let in this case) are pushed onto
the stack.  Then the program "Jumps" to that function location in memory and
begins execution.  The function parameters pushed onto the stack have to be
popped back off of the stack and used inside the function.  If memory serves
me, the return value is placed on the stack before the function returns,
which of course is a jump back to the original (calling) location.  All the
machine state has to be popped back off the stack.

Functions are "expensive".  It will take many many machine instructions
(hundreds) to execute the call and all of it's overhead.  Cache issues
(where the function is located in memory) can add to that problem, at least
the first time the function is called.

Functions serve a purpose in organizing the program, making it easier to
read and maintain, however they do cost.  I tend to just ignore the cost,
but for a use like this - going through a function to get a variable that is
already local to me just to get intellesense - would be a marginal usage.

Again, if it is happening between keystrokes the cost will never be noticed.
If it is happening in a loop of thousands of iterations, it likely will.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 10:28 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements
(WAS:<nosubject>)


Haven't tested that theory but it makes sense.  I wonder if that would have
the effect in a fully compiled ActiveX (VB) component as opposed to a class
module in Access?

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 10:23 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements
(WAS:<nosubject>)


Hmm... that certainly works.  I would be careful where I used it however as
there is a speed penalty.  Any function call has to build a stack, push
objects onto the stack, and then return values back to the caller.  If this
is happening as the user types, who cares.  If it is happening in a tight
loop, 20000 times as the user twiddles their thumbs...

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 10:10 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS:
<nosubject>)


I normally refer to the private variable too but I've also referred to the
property by name.  Why?  Because if I have a large class with a lot of
private variables/properties if I use Me.PropertyName syntax I can use the
built-in Intellisense feature to grab the property name for me rather than
ask "what was that variable called?".

HTH,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 10:04 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS:
<nosubject>)


Within the class itself all code directly references the variable.  If you
think you are going to forget something and want to do the same filtering
that outside users see, go ahead and use the properties.  My assumption is
that properties are for those dumb programmers using my object, not the dumb
programmer creating my object.  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:45 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS: <no
subject>)


I agree completely with that concept, John.
But what about code WITHIN the class itself?  Do you refer to the
module-level variable, or the Property?


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 6:26 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS: <no
subject>)


Brett,

That is a good question.  The reason most often given for using properties
to get / set a private variable rather than dimming the variable public is
simply the ability to control access to the variable.  It goes back to the
global argument in essence.  By controlling writes through a let statement,
you can do parameter checking.  For example, suppose you are building a car
and you want a "doors" variable that says how many doors it has.  By feeding
it through a let statement, you can check that the value passed in is >0 and
<6 or something similar.  The question then becomes, if I don't have to do
any such checking do (should) I still use get / let?

Of course there are also times where you want to provide a read only value.
I.e. the value is set by some process and the value can only be read out.
The Acceleration of the car is determined by the weight, horsepower,
transmission, rear axle etc, all fed into a complex function and provided as
a readable value.  No "user" of the class should be able to write directly
to this variable.

And finally there are times (seldom but possible) where you want a write
only variable - password for example.

I try very hard to dim all class variables private and use property get /
let to read / write the value.  That way if later on I do want to restrict
access in any way, I simply go to my existing get / let and add the
functionality I desire.  The "interface" doesn't break because the user is
always forced to go through my properties.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Brett Barabash
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 4:36 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS: <no
subject>)


That raises a good question, since I am not from the elite OO camp, I'd like
to know this:
Is it considered a bad practice to refer to the underlying variable within a
class directly?

Bryan, no need to apologize.  You may have stirred up an interesting
discussion, even if by accident.


-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 3:16 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD]


Now I'm thoroughly confused as to whose head is being bashed and why.
You can create private Let and Get properties, although a private Get
seems pointless to me, since it will only be available within the class
module and you don't really need it there except maybe for symmetry.  A
private Let property, on the other hand, could be called and used within
the class itself, so it might be useful.  Now, which one of you was
wrong ... And about what???

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:carbonnb at sympatico.ca]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 11:44 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD]


On 17 May 2003 at 1:05, Bruce Bruen wrote:

> However, re Bryan's comment - why can't the attribute value setting
> code be private - fundamentally it's an attribute that <u>cannot</u>
> be updated via this interface, but it does need to be visible to users

> of the class.  In this case the clubname is retrieved internally in
> the class - it is a header for the object.
>
> I don't believe that the public get/private let construct is
> syntactically incorrect.  However, is it philosophically incorrect?  I

It's not. I made a boo-boo.

All VB(A) programming has taken a back seat for me these days. PHP is
what I've been doing recently, so chalk it up to brain freeze.

Doh! (Bashes head against keyboard repeatedly) Doh! Doh! :)

Sorry 'bout that.

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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Mon May 19 09:53:56 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 15:53:56 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569A5@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Hi all

Does anyone have a code snippet for pulling file search results into Access?

What I want is to pull the filename, path & size of all files of a given
type on a particular drive, including those in subfolders, into a table. I
need to do it *fast*!!!

TIA

Roz
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From sgeller at cce.umn.edu  Mon May 19 09:56:05 2003
From: sgeller at cce.umn.edu (Susan Geller)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 09:56:05 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale
Message-ID: <CD6E25A7E2F6734FA126AED83B9D54FB01119B85@ccemail2.cce.local>

The link below didn't work but it did clue me in that you were looking
at small business systems.  The same system in "home computing" is more
expensive -- not sure why.  I did add some stuff, but ended up with a
quote of $769 -- about $250 less than other prices I'd gotten.  Thanks!

--Susan


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:02 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale



http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?CS=04&kc=6W300&oc=dim
4550
2

Upgrade to XP Pro (Highly recommended!)

Click Continue until you get to "Checkout"
Go to Checkout.  Enter 43C49AB1D6C5 in the coupon code box and click
Apply Coupon

At this point you should see the price of $659 minus discounts of $155.
the specific package I was seeing the other day was for 128mb RAM and
this one is 256mb.  You have to jump on any offer they make pretty much
within a day or so or they change it around.

This does include free shipping.

~$500 + tax for package delivered.  Understand that my assumption is
that you are upgrading an existing system (buying just the box) so you
are not buying a monitor, router on any of that stuff.  Also this system
comes with no floppy.  Of course you can go through and add anything you
want from there but the cost will go up.

Happy hunting.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Susan Geller
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:35 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale


John,

I'm actively in search of a Dell so this offer is appealing, but I can't
recreate it on the Dell site.  I get much closer to $1000 than $500.  To
get the price you have below, looks like I need to get a Celeron, but
your description below is for the Pentium 4.  Can you give me a good
link to follow to get this price point?

--Susan



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From sgeller at cce.umn.edu  Mon May 19 09:56:43 2003
From: sgeller at cce.umn.edu (Susan Geller)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 09:56:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale
Message-ID: <CD6E25A7E2F6734FA126AED83B9D54FB01119B86@ccemail2.cce.local>

What I just found with John's lead is better than what I found on the discounts being offered through my University!

--Susan


-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:46 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale


Susan,

Are you going to their web site for educators?  They have a web site that gives special discounts to employees of higher education institutions such as you.  Sorry, I do not know the URL since I use their State and Local Government web site.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Geller [mailto:sgeller at cce.umn.edu] 
Sent: Monday 2003 May 19 08:35
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale

John,

I'm actively in search of a Dell so this offer is appealing, but I can't recreate it on the Dell site.  I get much closer to $1000 than $500.  To get the price you have below, looks like I need to get a Celeron, but your description below is for the Pentium 4.  Can you give me a good link to follow to get this price point?

--Susan


-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 10:31 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Dell sale


Just a heads up for anyone looking for a new box.  Dell is having a sale. Cheapest I can get is $466:

Dimension 2350 Series
Intel? Pentium? 4 Processor at 2.20GHz with 512K L2 Cache

 Qty: 1
 Price: $539.00

    Date: Friday, May 16, 2003 10:27:05 AM CDT
    Catalog Number: 4 04
Dimension 2350 Series:   Intel? Pentium? 4 Processor at 2.20GHz with 512K L2
Cache   DX2322   [221-1776]
Memory:   128MB DDR-SDRAM   128M   [311-1648]
Keyboard:   Dell? Quietkey? Keyboard   QK   [310-1582]
Monitor:   No Monitor   N   [320-3000]
Video Card:   Integrated Intel? Extreme 3D Graphics   IV   [430-3900]
Hard Drive:   FREE UPGRADE! 60GB Ultra ATA/100 7200RPM Hard Drive   60P
[461-9796]
Floppy Drive and Additional Storage Devices:   No Floppy Drive   NFD
[340-8688]
Operating System:   Microsoft? Windows? XP Professional??   WPXP
[313-7222] [412-0309] [420-1922]
Mouse:   Dell? 2-button scroll mouse   SM   [310-1871]
Network Interface:   Integrated 10/100 Ethernet   IN   [430-0441]
Modem:   No Modem Requested   N   [313-3607]
CD or DVD Drive:   48x Max CD-ROM Drive   CD48   [313-1476]
Sound Card:   Integrated Audio   IS   [313-0847]
Speakers:   No Speaker Option   N   [313-4514]
Bundled Software:   WordPerfect? Productivity Pack with Quicken New User
Edition   COREL   [412-0302]
Security Software:   Dell SecurityCenter by McAfee, 90-day introductory
offer   MCAFE90   [412-0326]
Digital Music:   Dell Jukebox powered by MUSICMATCH   MMBASE   [412-0298]
Digital Photography:   Dell Picture Studio Image Expert Standard   DPS
[412-0271] [412-0273]
Limited Warranty, Services and Support Options:   1 Year Limited Warranty
plus 1 Year On-site Service   AUY111   [412-0360] [900-9054] [950-7960]
Dial-Up Internet Access:   FREE 6 Months of AOL Internet Access   AOLSMB
[412-0371] [412-0368]
Multi-Media Players:   RealOne(tm) Player, with 14 day SuperPass trial
REALBAS   [412-0380]

They show the price as $539 but in the checkout line they subtract $48 for a coupon - 43C49AB1D6C5 and a $50 "rebate", for a final price of 466.51.  Box only, no monitor, no floppy, 128mb ram.

Not a bad price!

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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Mon May 19 09:57:26 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:57:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Public/Private Property statements (WAS: <no
	subject>)
In-Reply-To: <426071E0B0A6D311B3C0006008B0AB2338C7A2@TAPPEEXCH01>
Message-ID: <3EC8B896.31839.5090F8@localhost>

On 16 May 2003 at 15:35, Brett Barabash wrote:

> That raises a good question, since I am not from the elite OO camp,
> I'd like to know this: Is it considered a bad practice to refer to the
> underlying variable within a class directly?

I usually Use Me.PropertyName within the class. It makes it more self 
documenting and easier for me to understand when I come back to it 
later.

Is it bad practice to reference the actual variables? For some it may 
be, but I see no obvious harm in it.

I use the properties, just in case down the road I change the logic 
in the Let/Get, then I only have to change the code in one spot and 
not all over the place.

> Bryan, no need to apologize.  You may have stirred up an interesting
> discussion, even if by accident.

Stirring thing up is a hobby of mine :-))

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon May 19 10:00:54 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 11:00:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Sony Digicam API
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEENODMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I bought a Sony digicam for Mothers day and it has a cool little program
that can operate the camera over the USB port, moving back and forth in the
tape.  The camera itself can label segments on the tape, delete labeled
segments etc.  I was wondering if there is an API for programming the video
camera by sending "commands" over the USB port.  It seems like it must
exist, but I can't find any such thing.  Has anyone ever tried something
like this?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon May 19 10:02:50 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 08:02:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F81@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I think you'd have to do it with a FileSearch and write the results of
each FoundFiles item into the table.  Here's a FileSearch sample.
 
Sub SimpleSearch()
  'Perform simple search using the FileSearch object,\.
  Dim varItem as Variant
  With Application.Filesearch
    .NewSearch
    .FileName = "*.ini"
    .LookIn = "C:\Windows"
    .Execute
    For Each varItem in .foundFiles
      Debug.print varItem
    Next varItem
  End With
End Sub
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
	Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 6:54 AM
	To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
	Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames
	
	

	Hi all 

	Does anyone have a code snippet for pulling file search results
into Access? 

	What I want is to pull the filename, path & size of all files of
a given type on a particular drive, including those in subfolders, into
a table. I need to do it *fast*!!!

	TIA 

	Roz 

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From jim.hale at fleetpride.com  Mon May 19 10:09:08 2003
From: jim.hale at fleetpride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:09:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Manual Database Synchronisation
Message-ID: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF87305F617BA@corp-es00>

Are you going to use local PC's time/date? If so will you have to maintain
the correct date/time on all these machines? I have heard horror stories of
machines with incorrect dates wrecking havoc on DB update schemes.
Jim Hale 

-----Original Message-----
From: Joshua B [mailto:jbusergroups at optushome.com.au]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 5:16 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Manual Database Synchronisation


Group:

Hoping someone may have a few ideas on this. I am in the process of setting
up specifications for the modification of a clients database. The client has
offices in five different locations around the world, and a database that
has been shared up until now using Access's in-built replication tool. At
the end of each trading day, the database would be sent to the other
offices, and they would synchronise. The db has now grown to the size where
this is not possible anymore (It weighs in at around 5 megabytes zipped up,
and the offices that don't have the luxury of cable are starting to
complain). They wish to send only the new and updated records back and
forth.

Eventually they will be looking at a web-based solution, but this will not
be happening for at least a year, if not more.

My idea is to time-stamp each record when it is updated (or added), and then
use this time stamp to determine which records need to be sent to the other
offices. I have been assured that the offices will "never" (I know that
thats a dirty word) be working on the same record on the same day, so there
will be no need to update on a field-by-field basis, I'll simply overwrite
the whole record with the updated information.

In the meantime, my main concern with setting this up is how I handle the
primary keys for records. Up until now, I have been a firm believer in using
an autonumber for a primary key. Of course, this will not be possible in
this scenario. When a record is added to the system and sent to all the
other offices, the primary keys will have to match, so that my code will be
able to match up the updated records when imported at the other end. The
best idea I have come up with is to use a random autonumber, and attach a
time-stamp to the end of that, and use it as a primary key. For there to be
a conflict, it would mean that two offices have generated a duplicate random
autonumber at the exact same second. I'm quite happy with the odds of that
never happening.

I just thought I would throw this in there, with the hope that maybe someone
has done something similar in the past. And of course, there is the likely
possibility that I am missing some incredibly easy way of doing this.

Thanks for reading :-)

Best regards.				 
Joshua B
jbusergroups at optushome.com.au
2003-05-13



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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Mon May 19 10:25:03 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 16:25:03 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569A7@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

thanks Charlotte, this looks great. I had never heard of the filesearch
object! learn something new every day :)
 
Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: 19 May 2003 16:03
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


I think you'd have to do it with a FileSearch and write the results of each
FoundFiles item into the table.  Here's a FileSearch sample.
 
Sub SimpleSearch()
  'Perform simple search using the FileSearch object,\.
  Dim varItem as Variant
  With Application.Filesearch
    .NewSearch
    .FileName = "*.ini"
    .LookIn = "C:\Windows"
    .Execute
    For Each varItem in .foundFiles
      Debug.print varItem
    Next varItem
  End With
End Sub
 
Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 6:54 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames



Hi all 

Does anyone have a code snippet for pulling file search results into Access?


What I want is to pull the filename, path & size of all files of a given
type on a particular drive, including those in subfolders, into a table. I
need to do it *fast*!!!

TIA 

Roz 

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon May 19 10:34:54 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 11:34:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: browser streaming
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEOBDMAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Does anyone know why my browser wouldn't stream the daily tip from
http://www.learnvisualstudio.net ?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon May 19 10:35:29 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 08:35:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F84@infoserver01.infostat.local>

What version of Access are you using?  It wasn't available in 97, but
you did have access to the FileSystem object through VBA.
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
	Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 7:25 AM
	To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames
	
	
	thanks Charlotte, this looks great. I had never heard of the
filesearch object! learn something new every day :)
	 
	Roz

		-----Original Message-----
		From: Charlotte Foust
[mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
		Sent: 19 May 2003 16:03
		To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
		Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames
		
		
		I think you'd have to do it with a FileSearch and write
the results of each FoundFiles item into the table.  Here's a FileSearch
sample.
		 
		Sub SimpleSearch()
		  'Perform simple search using the FileSearch object,\.
		  Dim varItem as Variant
		  With Application.Filesearch
		    .NewSearch
		    .FileName = "*.ini"
		    .LookIn = "C:\Windows"
		    .Execute
		    For Each varItem in .foundFiles
		      Debug.print varItem
		    Next varItem
		  End With
		End Sub
		 
		Charlotte Foust

			-----Original Message-----
			From: Roz Clarke
[mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
			Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 6:54 AM
			To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
			Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames
			
			

			Hi all 

			Does anyone have a code snippet for pulling file
search results into Access? 

			What I want is to pull the filename, path & size
of all files of a given type on a particular drive, including those in
subfolders, into a table. I need to do it *fast*!!!

			TIA 

			Roz 

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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Mon May 19 10:36:45 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 11:36:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85C0D@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Roz,

Please let us know if this attached code works for you.  I've been trying the FileSearch object since Susan H. and Charlotte mentioned it a couple of weeks ago but I keep crashing on the ".Filename =" line (Invalid procedure call error).

Thanks, 

Jim DeMarco 
Director of Product Development 
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan 

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 11:25 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


thanks Charlotte, this looks great. I had never heard of the filesearch object! learn something new every day :)

Roz
-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: 19 May 2003 16:03
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


I think you'd have to do it with a FileSearch and write the results of each FoundFiles item into the table.  Here's a FileSearch sample.

Sub SimpleSearch()
  'Perform simple search using the FileSearch object,\.
  Dim varItem as Variant
  With Application.Filesearch
    .NewSearch
    .FileName = "*.ini"
    .LookIn = "C:\Windows"
    .Execute
    For Each varItem in .foundFiles
      Debug.print varItem
    Next varItem
  End With
End Sub

Charlotte Foust
-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 6:54 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames


Hi all 
Does anyone have a code snippet for pulling file search results into Access? 
What I want is to pull the filename, path & size of all files of a given type on a particular drive, including those in subfolders, into a table. I need to do it *fast*!!!
TIA 
Roz 


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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Mon May 19 10:41:05 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 11:41:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85C0E@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

But it does work in A97 unless you try to set the filename property (at least on my box).  Unless I'm getting access to that object from some other application I installed.

If I loop through folder I can print all the file names.  If I try to filter I crash.

Thanks, 

Jim DeMarco 
Director of Product Development 
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan 

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 11:35 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


What version of Access are you using?  It wasn't available in 97, but you did have access to the FileSystem object through VBA.

Charlotte Foust
-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 7:25 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


thanks Charlotte, this looks great. I had never heard of the filesearch object! learn something new every day :)

Roz
-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: 19 May 2003 16:03
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


I think you'd have to do it with a FileSearch and write the results of each FoundFiles item into the table.  Here's a FileSearch sample.

Sub SimpleSearch()
  'Perform simple search using the FileSearch object,\.
  Dim varItem as Variant
  With Application.Filesearch
    .NewSearch
    .FileName = "*.ini"
    .LookIn = "C:\Windows"
    .Execute
    For Each varItem in .foundFiles
      Debug.print varItem
    Next varItem
  End With
End Sub

Charlotte Foust
-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 6:54 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames


Hi all 
Does anyone have a code snippet for pulling file search results into Access? 
What I want is to pull the filename, path & size of all files of a given type on a particular drive, including those in subfolders, into a table. I need to do it *fast*!!!
TIA 
Roz 


***********************************************************************************
"This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of the named recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or privileged.  If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited.  If you have received this message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward this email to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message.  Thank You".
***********************************************************************************


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon May 19 10:42:49 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 08:42:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F85@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Oops, you're right.  I forgot about that problem.  But Roz is just
trying to get all the filenames in the folder, so she doesn't need that
line anyhow.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org] 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 7:37 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


Roz,

Please let us know if this attached code works for you.  I've been
trying the FileSearch object since Susan H. and Charlotte mentioned it a
couple of weeks ago but I keep crashing on the ".Filename =" line
(Invalid procedure call error).

Thanks, 

Jim DeMarco 
Director of Product Development 
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan 

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 11:25 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


thanks Charlotte, this looks great. I had never heard of the filesearch
object! learn something new every day :)

Roz
-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: 19 May 2003 16:03
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


I think you'd have to do it with a FileSearch and write the results of
each FoundFiles item into the table.  Here's a FileSearch sample.

Sub SimpleSearch()
  'Perform simple search using the FileSearch object,\.
  Dim varItem as Variant
  With Application.Filesearch
    .NewSearch
    .FileName = "*.ini"
    .LookIn = "C:\Windows"
    .Execute
    For Each varItem in .foundFiles
      Debug.print varItem
    Next varItem
  End With
End Sub

Charlotte Foust
-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 6:54 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames


Hi all 
Does anyone have a code snippet for pulling file search results into
Access? 
What I want is to pull the filename, path & size of all files of a given
type on a particular drive, including those in subfolders, into a table.
I need to do it *fast*!!! TIA 
Roz 


************************************************************************
***********
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recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP)
that is confidential or privileged.  If you are not the intended
recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying,
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prohibited.  If you have received this message in error or are not the
named recipient, please notify us immediately, either by contacting the
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(914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Mon May 19 10:44:16 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 16:44:16 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569A9@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

XP, but I haven't done as much programming in XP as I did in 97.

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: 19 May 2003 16:35
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


What version of Access are you using?  It wasn't available in 97, but you
did have access to the FileSystem object through VBA.
 
Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 7:25 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


thanks Charlotte, this looks great. I had never heard of the filesearch
object! learn something new every day :)
 
Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: 19 May 2003 16:03
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


I think you'd have to do it with a FileSearch and write the results of each
FoundFiles item into the table.  Here's a FileSearch sample.
 
Sub SimpleSearch()
  'Perform simple search using the FileSearch object,\.
  Dim varItem as Variant
  With Application.Filesearch
    .NewSearch
    .FileName = "*.ini"
    .LookIn = "C:\Windows"
    .Execute
    For Each varItem in .foundFiles
      Debug.print varItem
    Next varItem
  End With
End Sub
 
Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 6:54 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames



Hi all 

Does anyone have a code snippet for pulling file search results into Access?


What I want is to pull the filename, path & size of all files of a given
type on a particular drive, including those in subfolders, into a table. I
need to do it *fast*!!!

TIA 

Roz 

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon May 19 10:54:06 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 08:54:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames
References: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569A5@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <011f01c31e1e$e0ef09c0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Grab filenamesRoz:

I'll send you an app offline which uses the filesearch and puts the found file names into an array.  Check the code behind the 'Find' button.

Rocky

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Roz Clarke 
  To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
  Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 7:53 AM
  Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames


  Hi all 

  Does anyone have a code snippet for pulling file search results into Access? 

  What I want is to pull the filename, path & size of all files of a given type on a particular drive, including those in subfolders, into a table. I need to do it *fast*!!!

  TIA 

  Roz 



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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Mon May 19 11:07:25 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 17:07:25 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569AB@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Actually I want to specify the filetype tho I don't care about the name.

I'm running a chunk of code now but it's being going 10 minutes and I'm not
sure what it's doing 'cause I forgot to turn on the immediate window. Duh!

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: 19 May 2003 16:43
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


Oops, you're right.  I forgot about that problem.  But Roz is just trying to
get all the filenames in the folder, so she doesn't need that line anyhow.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org] 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 7:37 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


Roz,

Please let us know if this attached code works for you.  I've been trying
the FileSearch object since Susan H. and Charlotte mentioned it a couple of
weeks ago but I keep crashing on the ".Filename =" line (Invalid procedure
call error).

Thanks, 

Jim DeMarco 
Director of Product Development 
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan 

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 11:25 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


thanks Charlotte, this looks great. I had never heard of the filesearch
object! learn something new every day :)

Roz
-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: 19 May 2003 16:03
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


I think you'd have to do it with a FileSearch and write the results of each
FoundFiles item into the table.  Here's a FileSearch sample.

Sub SimpleSearch()
  'Perform simple search using the FileSearch object,\.
  Dim varItem as Variant
  With Application.Filesearch
    .NewSearch
    .FileName = "*.ini"
    .LookIn = "C:\Windows"
    .Execute
    For Each varItem in .foundFiles
      Debug.print varItem
    Next varItem
  End With
End Sub

Charlotte Foust
-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 6:54 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames


Hi all 
Does anyone have a code snippet for pulling file search results into Access?

What I want is to pull the filename, path & size of all files of a given
type on a particular drive, including those in subfolders, into a table. I
need to do it *fast*!!! TIA 
Roz 


************************************************************************
***********
"This electronic message is intended to be for the use only of the named
recipient, and may contain information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that is
confidential or privileged.  If you are not the intended recipient, you are
hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the
contents of this message is strictly prohibited.  If you have received this
message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us
immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic mail address
noted above or calling HHP at
(914) 631-1611. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not forward
this email to anyone, and delete and destroy all copies of this message.
Thank You".
************************************************************************
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon May 19 11:15:23 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 09:15:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F86@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Rocky,
 
I'd like to see that as well.  I think I'm losing my grip, since I know
I've used FileSearch in the past.
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
[mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
	Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 7:54 AM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: Re: [AccessD] Grab filenames
	
	
	Roz:
	 
	I'll send you an app offline which uses the filesearch and puts
the found file names into an array.  Check the code behind the 'Find'
button.
	 
	Rocky
	 

		----- Original Message ----- 
		From: Roz Clarke <mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>  
		To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
		Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 7:53 AM
		Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames


		Hi all 

		Does anyone have a code snippet for pulling file search
results into Access? 

		What I want is to pull the filename, path & size of all
files of a given type on a particular drive, including those in
subfolders, into a table. I need to do it *fast*!!!

		TIA 

		Roz 

		
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon May 19 11:17:18 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 09:17:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F87@infoserver01.infostat.local>

In 97, you needed a reference to the Microsoft Office library before you
could even get to FileSearch.  In Office 2000 and later, it's part of
VBA and you only need an Office reference if you're using some of the
mso constants.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org] 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 7:41 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


But it does work in A97 unless you try to set the filename property (at
least on my box).  Unless I'm getting access to that object from some
other application I installed.

If I loop through folder I can print all the file names.  If I try to
filter I crash.

Thanks, 

Jim DeMarco 
Director of Product Development 
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan 

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 11:35 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


What version of Access are you using?  It wasn't available in 97, but
you did have access to the FileSystem object through VBA.

Charlotte Foust
-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 7:25 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


thanks Charlotte, this looks great. I had never heard of the filesearch
object! learn something new every day :)

Roz
-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: 19 May 2003 16:03
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


I think you'd have to do it with a FileSearch and write the results of
each FoundFiles item into the table.  Here's a FileSearch sample.

Sub SimpleSearch()
  'Perform simple search using the FileSearch object,\.
  Dim varItem as Variant
  With Application.Filesearch
    .NewSearch
    .FileName = "*.ini"
    .LookIn = "C:\Windows"
    .Execute
    For Each varItem in .foundFiles
      Debug.print varItem
    Next varItem
  End With
End Sub

Charlotte Foust
-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 6:54 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames


Hi all 
Does anyone have a code snippet for pulling file search results into
Access? 
What I want is to pull the filename, path & size of all files of a given
type on a particular drive, including those in subfolders, into a table.
I need to do it *fast*!!! TIA 
Roz 


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon May 19 11:18:11 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 09:18:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F88@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Try Rocky's stuff.  I'm encountering problems with the FileSearch myself
this morning.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 8:07 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


Actually I want to specify the filetype tho I don't care about the name.

I'm running a chunk of code now but it's being going 10 minutes and I'm
not sure what it's doing 'cause I forgot to turn on the immediate
window. Duh!

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: 19 May 2003 16:43
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


Oops, you're right.  I forgot about that problem.  But Roz is just
trying to get all the filenames in the folder, so she doesn't need that
line anyhow.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org] 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 7:37 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


Roz,

Please let us know if this attached code works for you.  I've been
trying the FileSearch object since Susan H. and Charlotte mentioned it a
couple of weeks ago but I keep crashing on the ".Filename =" line
(Invalid procedure call error).

Thanks, 

Jim DeMarco 
Director of Product Development 
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan 

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 11:25 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


thanks Charlotte, this looks great. I had never heard of the filesearch
object! learn something new every day :)

Roz
-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: 19 May 2003 16:03
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


I think you'd have to do it with a FileSearch and write the results of
each FoundFiles item into the table.  Here's a FileSearch sample.

Sub SimpleSearch()
  'Perform simple search using the FileSearch object,\.
  Dim varItem as Variant
  With Application.Filesearch
    .NewSearch
    .FileName = "*.ini"
    .LookIn = "C:\Windows"
    .Execute
    For Each varItem in .foundFiles
      Debug.print varItem
    Next varItem
  End With
End Sub

Charlotte Foust
-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 6:54 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames


Hi all 
Does anyone have a code snippet for pulling file search results into
Access?

What I want is to pull the filename, path & size of all files of a given
type on a particular drive, including those in subfolders, into a table.
I need to do it *fast*!!! TIA 
Roz 


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From MPorter at acsalaska.com  Mon May 19 11:22:30 2003
From: MPorter at acsalaska.com (Porter, Mark)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 08:22:30 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT HTML Authoring
Message-ID: <BFBC9BAC6169D411890000508BAE2C5303120744@acsexch4.corp.acsalaska.com>

I do not have the link and no time to search for it, but there is a browser
based web editor that may even be wysiwyg.  

With 4,000 PCs, I'd Google it and check it out at least.

If you can't find it I can dig the link out later.

Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
[mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 9:55 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT HTML Authoring


I need to install it on almost 4,000 PCs. So it has to be free.

Martin

Quoting "Reische, Brenda L." <reische at mdh.org>:

> 
> Hi Brenda,
> 
> The standard version of HTML-Kit is free under the Personal License,
> which
> basically means that the person who will be using it has to visit the
> HTML-Kit site, read/accept the Personal license, download and install it
> on
> his/her home/school/work computer. Redistribution and/or mass
> installation
> is not permitted under this license, so in a classroom setting what
> that
> means is that the individual students have to follow the above steps
> and
> install it on the class computers at the beginning of the course to
> qualfy
> for the Personal license. But if the school (not the individual
> students)
> wants to install it in the classrooms, that would require a multi-seat
> educational license.
> 
> The registration includes a few extras such as the table designer
> (http://www.chami.com/html-kit/pro/), but the above is the main
> difference
> in your case. Please let me know if you have any other questions.
> 
> Regards,
> HTML-Kit Support
> http://www.chami.com/html-kit/support/
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Reische, Brenda L. [mailto:reische at mdh.org]
> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 9:06 AM
> To: 'html-kit at chamisplace.Com'
> Subject: Free or $55 ??
> 
> 
> Is the standard version of HTML-Kit free, or is it shareware with a
> $55
> registration if the user it likes and decides to use it?
> 
> 
> 
> I have been recommending your software and sending people the link to
> your
> web site to get their own copy, and wanted to make sure I have the
> story
> straight as far as price before I misspeak.
> 
> 
> 
> You have a very nice product.  It is worth $55, that's not the issue
> --
> just wanted to make sure I don't mislead this friend of mine when I
> suggest that his students use HTML-Kit as a free editor when it's not
> really
> free.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> 
> 
> Brenda Reische
> 
> Application Support Analyst
> 
> McDonough District Hospital
> 
> 525 E Grant Macomb, IL 61455
> 
> 309.833.4101 www.mdh.org
> 
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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Mon May 19 11:29:11 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 11:29:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: browser streaming
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F8781A@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Do you have JavaScript and Cascading Style Sheets enabled?  If you don't
you should see a link for downloading the tip as a zip file.

Charles Wortz
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Texas Education Agency
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-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Monday 2003 May 19 10:35
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: browser streaming

Does anyone know why my browser wouldn't stream the daily tip from
http://www.learnvisualstudio.net ?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Mon May 19 11:37:12 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 12:37:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85C0F@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

I've got a reference to MSO 9.  Go figure!  Anyway I didn't get too far on this thread last time so don't sweat it.  I normally use the Dir function to loop through a folder filtered or otherwise.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 12:17 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


In 97, you needed a reference to the Microsoft Office library before you
could even get to FileSearch.  In Office 2000 and later, it's part of
VBA and you only need an Office reference if you're using some of the
mso constants.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org] 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 7:41 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


But it does work in A97 unless you try to set the filename property (at
least on my box).  Unless I'm getting access to that object from some
other application I installed.

If I loop through folder I can print all the file names.  If I try to
filter I crash.

Thanks, 

Jim DeMarco 
Director of Product Development 
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan 

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 11:35 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


What version of Access are you using?  It wasn't available in 97, but
you did have access to the FileSystem object through VBA.

Charlotte Foust
-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 7:25 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


thanks Charlotte, this looks great. I had never heard of the filesearch
object! learn something new every day :)

Roz
-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: 19 May 2003 16:03
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


I think you'd have to do it with a FileSearch and write the results of
each FoundFiles item into the table.  Here's a FileSearch sample.

Sub SimpleSearch()
  'Perform simple search using the FileSearch object,\.
  Dim varItem as Variant
  With Application.Filesearch
    .NewSearch
    .FileName = "*.ini"
    .LookIn = "C:\Windows"
    .Execute
    For Each varItem in .foundFiles
      Debug.print varItem
    Next varItem
  End With
End Sub

Charlotte Foust
-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 6:54 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames


Hi all 
Does anyone have a code snippet for pulling file search results into
Access? 
What I want is to pull the filename, path & size of all files of a given
type on a particular drive, including those in subfolders, into a table.
I need to do it *fast*!!! TIA 
Roz 


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon May 19 11:55:19 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 09:55:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Records missing when report published to Excel
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F8A@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Has anyone every found an article on this?  Some of our reports will
skip a record when publish to Word or publish to Excel is clicked.  The
weird part is that it's always somewhere around record 10 or record 15,
not the first or last record that it drops.  We've been scratching our
heads over this in both A97 and AXP.  Any suggestions?

Charlotte Foust

From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Mon May 19 11:57:36 2003
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 12:57:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Random Password generator
Message-ID: <806536912C472E4A9D6515DF2E57261E0C5A6C@mercury.tnco-inc.com>

Hi All,

Does anyone have a routine that will generate a random alphanumeric string?
I would also like to be able to specify a length.

If not, does anyone have an idea of how to achieve such a thing?

Thanks,
Joe R.



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From mitsules_ms at nns.com  Mon May 19 12:10:53 2003
From: mitsules_ms at nns.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 13:10:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: browser streaming
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E293EC@nnse14.nns.com>

John,

I've had similar experiences with QuickTime files, where only the first
streaming file from a site will work correctly.  Files after the first must
be downloaded in order to view.  It does not happen ALL of the time, and I
haven't found a reasonable explanation.



Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 11:35 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: browser streaming


Does anyone know why my browser wouldn't stream the daily tip from
http://www.learnvisualstudio.net ?

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From nkling at co.montgomery.ny.us  Mon May 19 12:10:52 2003
From: nkling at co.montgomery.ny.us (Neal Kling)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 13:10:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Random Password generator
Message-ID: <0EAA9F4906BA554FA26E6F9F2C5403022BD5D2@elmo.co.montgomery.ny.us>

Here's one from my pile o' functions.  As you can see I didn't write it;
Looks like it could use some cleaning up.

Neal Kling
Lotus, isn't that some kind of fancy flower?


'***********************************************************************
****
**********
'* Name:     PassWrdGen Function
'* Written:  11/15/1999 by Patricia OConnor
'* Args:     varNumChar
'* Returns:  strPssWrd - string of password
'* Purpose:  Create Random PassWord of intNumChar number of characters.
If 
'*           varNumChar is null then default is 8
'***********************************************************************
****
**********
Function PassWrdGen(Optional varNumChar As Variant) As String
    Dim intNumChar As Integer
    Dim intChar As Integer
    Dim idx As Integer
    Dim strPssWrd As String
    
    If IsMissing(varNumChar) Or IsNull(varNumChar) Or (Not
IsNumeric(varNumChar)) Then
        intNumChar = 8
    Else
        intNumChar = Int(varNumChar)
    End If
    Randomize
    
    For idx = 1 To intNumChar
        intChar = Int((122 - 48 + 1) * Rnd + 48)
        Select Case intChar
        Case 48 To 57, 65 To 90, 97 To 122
            strPssWrd = strPssWrd & Chr$(intChar)
        End Select
    Next
    PassWrdGen = strPssWrd
    
End Function



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Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 12:58 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Random Password generator


Hi All,

Does anyone have a routine that will generate a random alphanumeric
string?
I would also like to be able to specify a length.

If not, does anyone have an idea of how to achieve such a thing?

Thanks,
Joe R.



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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon May 19 12:17:07 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:17:07 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F86@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <01a501c31e2a$79cddc60$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

MessageCharlotte:

What's your email address? Should I send zipped?

Rocky

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Charlotte Foust 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:15 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames


  Rocky,

  I'd like to see that as well.  I think I'm losing my grip, since I know I've used FileSearch in the past.

  Charlotte Foust
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
    Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 7:54 AM
    To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Grab filenames


    Roz:

    I'll send you an app offline which uses the filesearch and puts the found file names into an array.  Check the code behind the 'Find' button.

    Rocky

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Roz Clarke 
      To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
      Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 7:53 AM
      Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames


      Hi all 

      Does anyone have a code snippet for pulling file search results into Access? 

      What I want is to pull the filename, path & size of all files of a given type on a particular drive, including those in subfolders, into a table. I need to do it *fast*!!!

      TIA 

      Roz 



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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Mon May 19 12:18:25 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 13:18:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: browser streaming
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85C12@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

>>and I haven't found a reasonable explanation.<<

In your debug window:

blnResult = ("reasonable" = "Internet")
?blnResult
False

;-)

Jim DeMarco



-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:mitsules_ms at nns.com]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 1:11 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: browser streaming


John,

I've had similar experiences with QuickTime files, where only the first
streaming file from a site will work correctly.  Files after the first must
be downloaded in order to view.  It does not happen ALL of the time, and I
haven't found a reasonable explanation.



Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 11:35 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: browser streaming


Does anyone know why my browser wouldn't stream the daily tip from
http://www.learnvisualstudio.net ?

John W. Colby
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Mon May 19 12:19:09 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:19:09 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Random Password generator
References: <806536912C472E4A9D6515DF2E57261E0C5A6C@mercury.tnco-inc.com>
Message-ID: <01b701c31e2a$c24c5cf0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Joe:

Chr(Int((26 * Rnd) + 65)) will give you random upper case characters A
through Z.

Rocky

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To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:57 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Random Password generator


> Hi All,
>
> Does anyone have a routine that will generate a random alphanumeric
string?
> I would also like to be able to specify a length.
>
> If not, does anyone have an idea of how to achieve such a thing?
>
> Thanks,
> Joe R.
>
>
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From papparuff at attbi.com  Mon May 19 12:25:49 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:25:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569A5@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <ACECJMOIMOPEIAHJCLCPEEKNFNAA.papparuff@attbi.com>

Grab filenamesRoz - Will this work for you?

Private Sub cmdFileObject_Click()
' Provides the user Path, File Name,
' and File Size
' Insure there is a reference to the
' Microsoft Scripting Runtime
' Access 2000/2002
    On Error GoTo cmdFileObject_ERR

    Dim fso As FileSystemObject
    Dim f1 As File
    Dim strPathAndFileName As String
    Dim strFileNameOnly As String
    Dim strFileSize As String
    Dim I As Double

    Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")

    With Application.FileSearch
        .NewSearch
        .LookIn = "d:\"
        .FileName = "*.ini"
        .MatchTextExactly = False
        .FileType = msoFileTypeAllFiles
        .SearchSubFolders = True

        If .Execute() > 0 Then
            For I = 1 To .FoundFiles.Count
                DoEvents
                ' File name and its path
                strPathAndFileName = .FoundFiles(I)
                Set f1 = fso.GetFile(.FoundFiles(I))
                strFileSize = f1.Size
                ' File name only
                strFileNameOnly = f1.Name
            Next I
            MsgBox "Done"
        Else
            MsgBox "No Files Found"
        End If
    End With


cmdFileObject_EXIT:

    Exit Sub

cmdFileObject_ERR:

    If Err.Number = 70 Then ' Permission denied
        Resume Next
    End If
    MsgBox Error$

End Sub

John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist J


"Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
                and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
  Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 7:54 AM
  To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
  Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames


  Hi all

  Does anyone have a code snippet for pulling file search results into
Access?

  What I want is to pull the filename, path & size of all files of a given
type on a particular drive, including those in subfolders, into a table. I
need to do it *fast*!!!

  TIA

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From keysolns at lantic.net  Mon May 19 12:25:12 2003
From: keysolns at lantic.net (Gary Lockett)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 19:25:12 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] RE: DBA web site problem
References: <618EB4D6DDCDD3119B0A00508B6FD37A0B2DF1C9@exchange.pgdp>
Message-ID: <00a901c31e2d$25b227a0$0101a8c0@office>

A great big thank you from me too

Gary

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Hollis,Virginia 
  To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
  Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 1:01 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: DBA web site problem


  It works, I tried it this morning and can see words now :-)
   
  Thanks everyone for the hard work.
   
  Va.
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de [mailto:Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de]
    Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 6:04 PM
    To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] RE: DBA web site problem


    Thank you, Stephen,
    appreciate your help very much
    Lembit

    Lembit Soobik

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) 
      To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
      Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 8:03 PM
      Subject: [AccessD] RE: DBA web site problem


      Hi All:
       
      Stephen Hait has spent some time and resolved the problem. 
      It seems to be an issue with the placement of a simple 'spacer' cell. Even though the size is fixed in the parent window, IE5 has an apparent 'bug' that causes the 'spacer' cell to always expand 100%, pushing the 'iframe' contents out of view. By moving the 'spacer' cell from the parent to the 'iframe' content window the error is resolved.

      Thanks again to Stephen for his efforts. The chances to the site should be completed by this weekend.

      Jim



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From ad_tp at hotmail.com  Mon May 19 12:45:36 2003
From: ad_tp at hotmail.com (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 23:15:36 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames
References: 	<61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569A5@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
	<011f01c31e1e$e0ef09c0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <Law9-OE16q6DqaJY4kJ00012fb8@hotmail.com>

Grab filenamesRocky,

    I shall be thankful if you could kindly send me a zipped copy at the following address -
    ad_tp at hotmail.com

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 21:24
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Grab filenames


  Roz:

  I'll send you an app offline which uses the filesearch and puts the found file names into an array.  Check the code behind the 'Find' button.

  Rocky

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Roz Clarke 
    To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
    Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 7:53 AM
    Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames


    Hi all 

    Does anyone have a code snippet for pulling file search results into Access? 

    What I want is to pull the filename, path & size of all files of a given type on a particular drive, including those in subfolders, into a table. I need to do it *fast*!!!

    TIA 

    Roz 



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon May 19 13:18:14 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 11:18:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F8B@infoserver01.infostat.local>

cfoust at infostatsystems and yes, please.
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
[mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
	Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:17 AM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: Re: [AccessD] Grab filenames
	
	
	Charlotte:
	 
	What's your email address? Should I send zipped?
	 
	Rocky
	 

		----- Original Message ----- 
		From: Charlotte Foust
<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com>  
		To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
		Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:15 AM
		Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab filenames

		Rocky,
		 
		I'd like to see that as well.  I think I'm losing my
grip, since I know I've used FileSearch in the past.
		 
		Charlotte Foust

			-----Original Message-----
			From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
[mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
			Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 7:54 AM
			To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
			Subject: Re: [AccessD] Grab filenames
			
			
			Roz:
			 
			I'll send you an app offline which uses the
filesearch and puts the found file names into an array.  Check the code
behind the 'Find' button.
			 
			Rocky
			 

				----- Original Message ----- 
				From: Roz Clarke
<mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>  
				To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
				Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 7:53 AM
				Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames


				Hi all 

				Does anyone have a code snippet for
pulling file search results into Access? 

				What I want is to pull the filename,
path & size of all files of a given type on a particular drive,
including those in subfolders, into a table. I need to do it *fast*!!!

				TIA 

				Roz 

				
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon May 19 14:11:52 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 12:11:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
References: <20030519122910.46917.qmail@web13406.mail.yahoo.com>
 <005601c31e0d$f827ec80$6501a8c0@HAL9002>
Message-ID: <3EC92C78.7050405@shaw.ca>

Here is an article on tools and methods to use for difficult CAT-5 cabling.
I really like the fly fishing rod and slingshot methods.
http://www.techrepublic.com/article.jhtml?id=r00320030218vgl01.htm&fromtm=e101-3

Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:

>Frank:
>
>Thanks for the heads up.  I can get CAT5 to that room but it will cost
>$500-600 because of where it is.  :(
>
>Looks like wireless for me.
>
>Rocky
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:29 AM
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
>
>
>  
>
>>I highly recommend against this.  Most telephone
>>wiring in homes is CAT3 *AT BEST*.  In alot of cases,
>>not even that good.
>>
>>Most home telephone wiring is so splices and
>>mickey-moused together that you will be lucky if you
>>get any connection at all.  And if you do, it will
>>probably be spotty, at best, due to electromagenetic
>>interferance from other devices.
>>
>>Network engineering is what I do for a living.  I'd go
>>wireless LONG before I'd trust home telco wiring for
>>my LAN.  Myself, I strung CAT5 in my house.  But
>>that's because I know how to.  For most home users
>>wireless would be a perfect fit.  If you're worried
>>about people leeching your bandwidth or "sniffing" off
>>of your wireless LAN, there are ways to lock it down,
>>simply.  Will it stop the determined leech?  Nope.
>>But it would stop 90% of the leeches that are out
>>there, because most are just looking for free
>>bandwidth.  Not to mention, I'd think you'd notice
>>someone sitting in front of your house with a
>>laptop....hehehee
>>
>>--- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
>><bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>Dear List(s):
>>>
>>>Got a new computer to put into a room where we can't
>>>reach it with CAT-5.  So I've been ready to go
>>>wireless, except someone suggested using the phone
>>>lines in the house (just as a substitute wire)
>>>instead of wireless.  Apparently, there's a device
>>>that will connect the NIC and the phone jack and you
>>>can use the phone wires in the house for networking.
>>>
>>>Sounds, easy, and cheap, and low tech.  Anyone know
>>>about this?
>>>
>>>MTIA
>>>
>>>Rocky Smolin
>>>Beach Access Software
>>>      
>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>        
>>>>
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>>>
>>>      
>>>
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>>    
>>
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From backroad at idir.net  Mon May 19 15:44:49 2003
From: backroad at idir.net (Backroads Data)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 15:44:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Intermittant problems loading images
Message-ID: <006001c31e47$99c6cdc0$350775d8@Julie>

Hello, AccessD listers!

It's nice to be back after about a year hiatus from the group.  I see the folks on this list are still providing valuable help to developers, and I hope I will be able to contribute soon.

Here's a situation that has me stumped... hoping someone has had a similar experience or some ideas I can pursue.

Access97 application, distributed to single users (no networks), installed with runtime Access and Sagekey scripts.

Users can store images in the database.  Actually, I used the method shared by Candace Tripp that only stores the image path/filename in the db, then displays it on forms and reports where needed.  The user selects an image file (usually .jpg, .bmp, or .gif) from a standard Windows file open dialog, the resulting path and file name is stored in the table, and the image control displays the image.

This all works great - usually.  After distributing this feature about 6 months ago, I had a few users who said they received an error after selecting an image file.  (Error: "Forge Ahead doesn't support the format of the file '[full path & file name]', so it can't load the picture." -- 'Forge Ahead' is the name of my application).  

After researching this, it appeared it had to do with whether specific graphic filters were installed on the machine.  I was able to create a patch executable that installed the appropriate graphic filters and set appropriate registry keys.  

This resolved the problem for all but 2 users.  They still receive the same error message, and can't select any type of graphic files within the application.  However, they can insert the same images into Word and PowerPoint.  

Does anyone have any ideas?  This is driving me (and my customers) crazy!

Best Regards,

Julie Schwalm
Backroads Data
www.backroadsdata.com
785-594-6807
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Mon May 19 16:04:56 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 14:04:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
In-Reply-To: <3EC92C78.7050405@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <20030519210456.92949.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com>

Yeah.  Those work well for drop ceiling.  We used to
use string tied to a Nerf football...hehehe

It can be a little more problematic in housing rafters
though, unless you have lots of space.  Most houses
here in Phoenix don't have attics, so the rafters have
like 3 feet of clearance or so tops.  Makes it a real
pain in the butt to string cable through....hehee

--- MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca> wrote:
> Here is an article on tools and methods to use for
> difficult CAT-5 cabling.
> I really like the fly fishing rod and slingshot
> methods.
>
http://www.techrepublic.com/article.jhtml?id=r00320030218vgl01.htm&fromtm=e101-3
> 
> Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:
> 
> >Frank:
> >
> >Thanks for the heads up.  I can get CAT5 to that
> room but it will cost
> >$500-600 because of where it is.  :(
> >
> >Looks like wireless for me.
> >
> >Rocky
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> >To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:29 AM
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> lines
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >>I highly recommend against this.  Most telephone
> >>wiring in homes is CAT3 *AT BEST*.  In alot of
> cases,
> >>not even that good.
> >>
> >>Most home telephone wiring is so splices and
> >>mickey-moused together that you will be lucky if
> you
> >>get any connection at all.  And if you do, it will
> >>probably be spotty, at best, due to
> electromagenetic
> >>interferance from other devices.
> >>
> >>Network engineering is what I do for a living. 
> I'd go
> >>wireless LONG before I'd trust home telco wiring
> for
> >>my LAN.  Myself, I strung CAT5 in my house.  But
> >>that's because I know how to.  For most home users
> >>wireless would be a perfect fit.  If you're
> worried
> >>about people leeching your bandwidth or "sniffing"
> off
> >>of your wireless LAN, there are ways to lock it
> down,
> >>simply.  Will it stop the determined leech?  Nope.
> >>But it would stop 90% of the leeches that are out
> >>there, because most are just looking for free
> >>bandwidth.  Not to mention, I'd think you'd notice
> >>someone sitting in front of your house with a
> >>laptop....hehehee
> >>
> >>--- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> >><bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> >>    
> >>
> >>>Dear List(s):
> >>>
> >>>Got a new computer to put into a room where we
> can't
> >>>reach it with CAT-5.  So I've been ready to go
> >>>wireless, except someone suggested using the
> phone
> >>>lines in the house (just as a substitute wire)
> >>>instead of wireless.  Apparently, there's a
> device
> >>>that will connect the NIC and the phone jack and
> you
> >>>can use the phone wires in the house for
> networking.
> >>>
> >>>Sounds, easy, and cheap, and low tech.  Anyone
> know
> >>>about this?
> >>>
> >>>MTIA
> >>>
> >>>Rocky Smolin
> >>>Beach Access Software
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>_______________________________________________
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>AccessD mailing list
> >>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>
>>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
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> >>
> >
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> >  
> >
> 
> 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon May 19 19:42:09 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (stuart at lexacorp.com.pg)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 10:42:09 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Random Password generator
In-Reply-To: <806536912C472E4A9D6515DF2E57261E0C5A6C@mercury.tnco-inc.com>
Message-ID: <3ECA0681.13264.3158D@localhost>

On 19 May 2003 at 12:57, Joe Rojas wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> Does anyone have a routine that will generate a random alphanumeric string?
> I would also like to be able to specify a length.
> 
> If not, does anyone have an idea of how to achieve such a thing?
> 
> Thanks,
> Joe R.
> 

Function password(pwlength As Long) As String
Dim loopcount As Long
Dim strPW As String
Dim strCharacters As String
strCharacters = "1234567890ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz"
Randomize Timer
For loopcount = 1 To pwlength
    strPW = strPW & Mid$(strCharacters, Int(Rnd() * 52) + 1, 1)
Next
password = strPW
End Function
-- 
Lexacorp Ltd
Information Technology Consultancy, Application Development





From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be  Tue May 20 02:14:43 2003
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.be (Erwin Craps)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 09:14:43 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Random Password generator
Message-ID: <104AB6116A2DD511A7580008C7097A982197EF@AARDBEI>


Can be used in a update query thx to dummyfield


Function GeneratePassWord(Optional intPasswordLength As Integer, Optional
varDummyField As Variant)
    ' Comments  :
    ' Parameters: intPasswordLength
    '             varDummyField -
    ' Returns   :  -
    ' Modified  :
    '
    ' --------------------------------------------------
    'TVCodeTools ErrorEnablerStart
    On Error GoTo PROC_ERR
    'TVCodeTools ErrorEnablerEnd
    
    Dim intTemp As Integer
    
    'varDummyField serves only when using a update query to generate
different passwords.
    
    If intPasswordLength = 0 Then
        intPasswordLength = 8
    End If
    Randomize
    Do Until Len(GeneratePassWord) = intPasswordLength
        intTemp = Int((122 - 48 + 1) * Rnd + 48)
        Select Case intTemp
            Case Is <= 57
            Case Is <= 64
                intTemp = 0
            Case Is <= 90
            Case Is <= 96
                intTemp = 0
        End Select
        If Len(GeneratePassWord) = 0 Then
            Select Case intTemp
                Case Is <= 64
                    intTemp = 0
                Case Is <= 90
                Case Else
                    intTemp = 0
            End Select
        End If
        If intTemp Then
            GeneratePassWord = GeneratePassWord + Chr(intTemp)
        End If
    Loop
    
    
    'TVCodeTools ErrorHandlerStart
PROC_EXIT:
    On Error Resume Next
    Exit Function
    
PROC_ERR:
    Select Case Err
        Case 0
            'Do Nothing
        Case Else
            MsgBox Err.Description, vbOK, "ERROR:" & Err.Number
            Resume PROC_EXIT
    End Select
    'TVCodeTools ErrorHandlerEnd
    
End Function


-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Verzonden: maandag 19 mei 2003 19:19
Aan: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Onderwerp: Re: [AccessD] Random Password generator


Joe:

Chr(Int((26 * Rnd) + 65)) will give you random upper case characters A
through Z.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:57 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Random Password generator


> Hi All,
>
> Does anyone have a routine that will generate a random alphanumeric
string?
> I would also like to be able to specify a length.
>
> If not, does anyone have an idea of how to achieve such a thing?
>
> Thanks,
> Joe R.
>
>
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Tue May 20 04:53:10 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 10:53:10 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569C3@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Hi all

Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a discussion about interface
design, and someone was hosting a gallery of different interfaces that had
been done with Access?

Does anybody know if it's still there, where it was, and whether there are
any other good resources out there?

TIA

Roz
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From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Tue May 20 05:09:37 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 12:09:37 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
References: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569C3@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <03ee01c31eb7$f45ed550$0300a8c0@S856>

Good Interface ExamplesIIRC, it was Ben Cage
cannot remember the company name, so I dont know where to search
Lembit Soobik

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Roz Clarke 
  To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 11:53 AM
  Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


  Hi all 

  Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a discussion about interface design, and someone was hosting a gallery of different interfaces that had been done with Access?

  Does anybody know if it's still there, where it was, and whether there are any other good resources out there? 

  TIA 

  Roz 



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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Tue May 20 05:18:51 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 11:18:51 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
References: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569C3@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <001c01c31eb9$35daa350$9111758f@aine>

Good Interface Exampleswww.activ8.com.au
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Roz Clarke 
  To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:53 AM
  Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


  Hi all 

  Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a discussion about interface design, and someone was hosting a gallery of different interfaces that had been done with Access?

  Does anybody know if it's still there, where it was, and whether there are any other good resources out there? 

  TIA 

  Roz 



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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue May 20 05:19:04 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 12:19:04 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
In-Reply-To: <03ee01c31eb7$f45ed550$0300a8c0@S856>
References:  <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569C3@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
 <03ee01c31eb7$f45ed550$0300a8c0@S856>
Message-ID: <8615465638.20030520121904@cactus.dk>

Hi Roz and Lembit

It's still there:

  http://www.activ8.com.au/interface/

/gustav


> Good Interface ExamplesIIRC, it was Ben Cage
> cannot remember the company name, so I dont know where to search
> Lembit Soobik

>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Roz Clarke 
>   To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
>   Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 11:53 AM
>   Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


>   Hi all 

>   Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a discussion about interface design, and someone was hosting a gallery of different interfaces that had been done with Access?

>   Does anybody know if it's still there, where it was, and whether there are any other good resources out there? 


From marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl  Tue May 20 05:19:09 2003
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl (marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 12:19:09 +0200
Subject: Betreft: Re: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <OF40363C8C.0AED9BE5-ONC1256D2C.0038A7BA@achmea.nl>

Searched in google.

http://www.activ8.com.au/interface/


Grz, marcel




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cc:

Onderwerp:     Re: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples



IIRC, it was Ben Cage
cannot remember the company name, so I dont know  where to search
Lembit Soobik
----- Original Message -----
From:  Roz  Clarke
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 11:53 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface   Examples

Hi all

Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a  discussion about
interface design, and someone was hosting a gallery of   different
interfaces that had been done with Access?

Does anybody know if it's still there, where it  was, and whether there are
any other good resources out there?

TIA

Roz


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From viner at eunet.yu  Tue May 20 05:25:11 2003
From: viner at eunet.yu (Ervin Brindza)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 12:25:11 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
References: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569C3@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <002601c31eba$1e652000$0100a8c0@razvoj>

Good Interface ExamplesRoz, try these

http://www.actebs.com.au/web/products.html 

http://www.iarchitect.com/mfame.htm

http://www.activ8.com.au/interface/default.html

HTH,

    Ervin

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Roz Clarke 
  To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
  Sent: 20 May, 2003 11:53 AM
  Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


  Hi all 

  Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a discussion about interface design, and someone was hosting a gallery of different interfaces that had been done with Access?

  Does anybody know if it's still there, where it was, and whether there are any other good resources out there? 

  TIA 

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From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Tue May 20 05:29:26 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 12:29:26 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
References: 	<61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569C3@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
	<002601c31eba$1e652000$0100a8c0@razvoj>
Message-ID: <044e01c31eba$b0795d80$0300a8c0@S856>

Good Interface Examplessee how good memory AccessD people have. within a few minutes. Really great people on this list :-)
Lembit Soobik

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ervin Brindza 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 12:25 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


  Roz, try these

  http://www.actebs.com.au/web/products.html 

  http://www.iarchitect.com/mfame.htm

  http://www.activ8.com.au/interface/default.html

  HTH,

      Ervin

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Roz Clarke 
    To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
    Sent: 20 May, 2003 11:53 AM
    Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


    Hi all 

    Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a discussion about interface design, and someone was hosting a gallery of different interfaces that had been done with Access?

    Does anybody know if it's still there, where it was, and whether there are any other good resources out there? 

    TIA 

    Roz 



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From viner at eunet.yu  Tue May 20 05:30:35 2003
From: viner at eunet.yu (Ervin Brindza)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 12:30:35 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
References: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569C3@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <007701c31eba$deee10c0$0100a8c0@razvoj>

Good Interface Examples 
Roz, try these

http://www.actebs.com.au/web/products.html 

http://www.iarchitect.com/mfame.htm

http://www.activ8.com.au/interface/default.html

HTH,

    Ervin



  Hi all 

  Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a discussion about interface design, and someone was hosting a gallery of different interfaces that had been done with Access?

  Does anybody know if it's still there, where it was, and whether there are any other good resources out there? 

  TIA 

  Roz 



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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Tue May 20 05:45:15 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 11:45:15 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
References: 	<61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569C3@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
	<03ee01c31eb7$f45ed550$0300a8c0@S856> <8615465638.20030520121904@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001401c31ebc$e5929660$9111758f@aine>

Roz

For good design download one of Bens DBs, Pathways. It is unvelieveable from
a purely graphical point of view.

Martin


From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Tue May 20 05:53:05 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 11:53:05 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569CB@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Second that :D
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de [mailto:Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 11:29
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


see how good memory AccessD people have. within a few minutes. Really great
people on this list :-)
Lembit Soobik


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Ervin Brindza <mailto:viner at eunet.yu>  
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>  
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples

Roz, try these

http://www.actebs.com.au/web/products.html
<http://www.actebs.com.au/web/products.html>  

http://www.iarchitect.com/mfame.htm <http://www.iarchitect.com/mfame.htm> 

http://www.activ8.com.au/interface/default.html
<http://www.activ8.com.au/interface/default.html> 

HTH,

    Ervin

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Roz Clarke <mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>  
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' <mailto:'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'>  
Sent: 20 May, 2003 11:53 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Hi all 

Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a discussion about interface
design, and someone was hosting a gallery of different interfaces that had
been done with Access?

Does anybody know if it's still there, where it was, and whether there are
any other good resources out there? 

TIA 

Roz 



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From bbruen at bigpond.com  Tue May 20 06:26:08 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 21:26:08 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Import/Copy menu and toolbars
Message-ID: <000001c31ec2$9f8fdc80$9900a8c0@bbb888>

Dear List,

Try as I might I cannot find how to import or copy a menubar and/or a
toolbar fomr one db to another.  I have a dud AXP database from which I
have managed to recover everything but the customised menus and
toolbars.

Is there a way to do this?

Tia
Bruce

P.s. remembered the subject this time!



From jjwrite at earthlink.net  Tue May 20 06:39:16 2003
From: jjwrite at earthlink.net (Judy Johnson)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 7:39:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A97 Strange Delete Behavior
Message-ID: <4120035220113916770@earthlink.net>

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From artful at rogers.com  Tue May 20 06:43:19 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 07:43:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Import/Copy menu and toolbars
In-Reply-To: <000001c31ec2$9f8fdc80$9900a8c0@bbb888>
Message-ID: <005201c31ec5$02947460$8e01a8c0@Rock>

On the import dialog there's an options button, which leads to another
dialog that lets you specify what extras you want to import.

A.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
Sent: May 20, 2003 7:26 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Import/Copy menu and toolbars


Dear List,

Try as I might I cannot find how to import or copy a menubar and/or a
toolbar fomr one db to another.  I have a dud AXP database from which I have
managed to recover everything but the customised menus and toolbars.

Is there a way to do this?


From bbruen at bigpond.com  Tue May 20 06:52:21 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 21:52:21 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
In-Reply-To: <20030519210456.92949.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002401c31ec6$45d969a0$9900a8c0@bbb888>

Try a $50 remote control 4WD model (ATV? For youse yanquies?) - we wired
200+ points in an office building several years ago using a couple of
these - without removing the false ceiling.  They have a great advantage
over nerf balls as you can make them go around things!. Also used one to
cast 240V twin core for ceiling downlights BETWEEN the ceiling and the
upper floor in our "new" 1928 built house last year. One sparky said "it
couldn't be done" without removing the original cast plaster ceilings,
another said $4500+ (for running the cable).   I said "bullSh*t", and
did it myself, got a GOOD sparky to connect the cabling to the house
circuit and certify the work for $60 + 2 coffees and a couple of beers.

The way to get cable down a cored wall is to use that plastic strapping
they use on whitegoods - as long as you can get a length of it - but
better still is the plastic jointer strip out of quickclip flooring -
you can shape the end to a blunt point and feed it UP a 1/2" or less
core, attach the cable in the ceiling space and whip it down the core in
approx 1/8 the time it takes the cat to get inside on a rainy day.  

If you DYI cat5, there is only one real tip - try not to kink the cable,
otherwise I reckon its as good as $20/metre (or yard speaker cable for
anything.  Oh, and another, if you cr*p up a connection on cat5 whether
its Krone or grub screwed or whatever - cut the whole 4" off and start
again, its not worth the hassle of bad connectors.

Have fun! Crawling in 18" high dusty, cramped, dark, lumpy (with sharp
bits) spaces is what some idiots do for a sport!

Bruce


From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Frank Tanner
III
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:05 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


Yeah.  Those work well for drop ceiling.  We used to
use string tied to a Nerf football...hehehe

It can be a little more problematic in housing rafters
though, unless you have lots of space.  Most houses
here in Phoenix don't have attics, so the rafters have
like 3 feet of clearance or so tops.  Makes it a real
pain in the butt to string cable through....hehee

--- MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca> wrote:
> Here is an article on tools and methods to use for
> difficult CAT-5 cabling.
> I really like the fly fishing rod and slingshot
> methods.
>
http://www.techrepublic.com/article.jhtml?id=r00320030218vgl01.htm&fromt
m=e101-3
> 
> Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:
> 
> >Frank:
> >
> >Thanks for the heads up.  I can get CAT5 to that
> room but it will cost
> >$500-600 because of where it is.  :(
> >
> >Looks like wireless for me.
> >
> >Rocky
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> >To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:29 AM
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> lines
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >>I highly recommend against this.  Most telephone
> >>wiring in homes is CAT3 *AT BEST*.  In alot of
> cases,
> >>not even that good.
> >>
> >>Most home telephone wiring is so splices and
> >>mickey-moused together that you will be lucky if
> you
> >>get any connection at all.  And if you do, it will
> >>probably be spotty, at best, due to
> electromagenetic
> >>interferance from other devices.
> >>
> >>Network engineering is what I do for a living.
> I'd go
> >>wireless LONG before I'd trust home telco wiring
> for
> >>my LAN.  Myself, I strung CAT5 in my house.  But
> >>that's because I know how to.  For most home users
> >>wireless would be a perfect fit.  If you're
> worried
> >>about people leeching your bandwidth or "sniffing"
> off
> >>of your wireless LAN, there are ways to lock it
> down,
> >>simply.  Will it stop the determined leech?  Nope.
> >>But it would stop 90% of the leeches that are out
> >>there, because most are just looking for free
> >>bandwidth.  Not to mention, I'd think you'd notice
> >>someone sitting in front of your house with a laptop....hehehee
> >>
> >>--- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> >>    
> >>
> >>>Dear List(s):
> >>>
> >>>Got a new computer to put into a room where we
> can't
> >>>reach it with CAT-5.  So I've been ready to go
> >>>wireless, except someone suggested using the
> phone
> >>>lines in the house (just as a substitute wire)
> >>>instead of wireless.  Apparently, there's a
> device
> >>>that will connect the NIC and the phone jack and
> you
> >>>can use the phone wires in the house for
> networking.
> >>>
> >>>Sounds, easy, and cheap, and low tech.  Anyone
> know
> >>>about this?
> >>>
> >>>MTIA
> >>>
> >>>Rocky Smolin
> >>>Beach Access Software
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>_______________________________________________
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>AccessD mailing list
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>
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> >>>
> >>>      
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> >>
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From marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl  Tue May 20 06:55:08 2003
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl (marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 13:55:08 +0200
Subject: Betreft: [AccessD] Import/Copy menu and toolbars
Message-ID: <OF34F99AA6.53D97AED-ONC1256D2C.00413EC8@achmea.nl>

Hi Bruce,

I always copy them by selecting with the right mouseclick the option IMPORT
in the table section of your database. Then select the original database.
In the screen that pops up next you will find in the right corner the
button Option or Advanced. Overthere you can select the importspecs and
tool and menubars.

Hope this helps

Gr. marcel vreuls




"Bruce Bruen" <bbruen at bigpond.com>@databaseadvisors.com op 20-05-2003
13:26:08

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Onderwerp:     [AccessD] Import/Copy menu and toolbars


Dear List,

Try as I might I cannot find how to import or copy a menubar and/or a
toolbar fomr one db to another.  I have a dud AXP database from which I
have managed to recover everything but the customised menus and
toolbars.

Is there a way to do this?

Tia
Bruce

P.s. remembered the subject this time!


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From bbruen at bigpond.com  Tue May 20 07:14:30 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 22:14:30 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
In-Reply-To: <20030519141946.33206.qmail@web13408.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002901c31ec9$5e824000$9900a8c0@bbb888>

Re: not more than 10

At my son's school they are using wireless routers with much much more
that 10 connects.  We reckon up to 60 active sessions at a time - AND up
to more than 200 connect attempts per router at the beginning of lesson.

Result - performance during the times that the kids try to log in =
absolutely useless!  Some can take up to 20 minutes of a lesson to get a
clean session negotiated - thus wasting most of the students and
teachers available time.  I estimate that the negotiated connects never
get any higher than 10mbps based on the experience of my wife who
teaches there and says that the school network speed is less than out
p2p 10 at home.

At my daughters school they use mini 5 port hubs in the kids "work
stations" ( 4 desks screwed together) and a cabled hub per classroom (
or at least 1 per pair of rooms)  Result - 10/100 connections in the
same time it takes them to plug in their blue worms!  For 1200 kids,
connecting up to 6 times per day.

OTOH - as we live 300m by road from my son's school and probably <100m
as the crow flies it does give him access to the school (and the net)
without costing me a phone line!  But is this a good thing - I think
not!  (who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of pubescent web
surfers!)

So I suppose it depends on what you need to do with wireless.  If you
want it so you can cart the laptop out to the doghouse when you are
accused of ignoring your better half for a great AccessD debate session,
then I suppose its great. But I reckon $15 worth of cat5 + a weekend of
blue language and a couple of beers is a lot better.

JM20CW

Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Frank Tanner
III
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 12:20 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


Yes, you can.  In fact I am considering this myself,
so that I can have network access in my back yard and
driveway areas.  Yes, I'm a geek at home too...ROFL

Cabling can get very expensive, unless you can do it
yourself.  It's not so much the cable that's
expensive.  It's the labor.  It's a b*tch to snake
that cable throgh the rafters of the house and then
down the inside walls.  Especially if your inside
walls are insulated too, which most are anymore.

I was talking with one of the engineers at DLink, and
they recomment not using more that ten wireless
devices per wireless router.  That's one of the
reasons I could never fully network my house via
wireless.  I have too many network devices and will be
adding more as I automate my home via computer.

--- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
<bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> Frank:
> 
> Here's another question:  Can I daisy chain a
> wireless router to my wired
> router?  I'm out of ports.
> 
> Rocky
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software"
> <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 6:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> lines
> 
> 
> > Frank:
> >
> > Thanks for the heads up.  I can get CAT5 to that
> room but it will cost
> > $500-600 because of where it is.  :(
> >
> > Looks like wireless for me.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:29 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> lines
> >
> >
> > > I highly recommend against this.  Most telephone
> > > wiring in homes is CAT3 *AT BEST*.  In alot of
> cases,
> > > not even that good.
> > >
> > > Most home telephone wiring is so splices and mickey-moused 
> > > together that you will be lucky if
> you
> > > get any connection at all.  And if you do, it
> will
> > > probably be spotty, at best, due to
> electromagenetic
> > > interferance from other devices.
> > >
> > > Network engineering is what I do for a living.
> I'd go
> > > wireless LONG before I'd trust home telco wiring
> for
> > > my LAN.  Myself, I strung CAT5 in my house.  But
> > > that's because I know how to.  For most home
> users
> > > wireless would be a perfect fit.  If you're
> worried
> > > about people leeching your bandwidth or
> "sniffing" off
> > > of your wireless LAN, there are ways to lock it
> down,
> > > simply.  Will it stop the determined leech?
> Nope.
> > > But it would stop 90% of the leeches that are
> out
> > > there, because most are just looking for free
> > > bandwidth.  Not to mention, I'd think you'd
> notice
> > > someone sitting in front of your house with a laptop....hehehee
> > >
> > > --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > Dear List(s):
> > > >
> > > > Got a new computer to put into a room where we
> can't
> > > > reach it with CAT-5.  So I've been ready to go wireless, except 
> > > > someone suggested using the
> phone
> > > > lines in the house (just as a substitute wire)
> > > > instead of wireless.  Apparently, there's a
> device
> > > > that will connect the NIC and the phone jack
> and you
> > > > can use the phone wires in the house for
> networking.
> > > >
> > > > Sounds, easy, and cheap, and low tech.  Anyone
> know
> > > > about this?
> > > >
> > > > MTIA
> > > >
> > > > Rocky Smolin
> > > > Beach Access Software
> > > > >
> _______________________________________________
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > >
> > >
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> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >
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> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >
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> >
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> >
> 
> 
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From bbruen at bigpond.com  Tue May 20 07:23:12 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 22:23:12 +1000
Subject: Betreft: [AccessD] Import/Copy menu and toolbars
In-Reply-To: <OF34F99AA6.53D97AED-ONC1256D2C.00413EC8@achmea.nl>
Message-ID: <002a01c31eca$95a82e40$9900a8c0@bbb888>

Merci Marcel!

Geeze Microsoft - now that was a bloody obvious place to put that,
wasn't it.  So bloody obvious you needn't put in help index item on it.
Why stop now?  Why not take copy/paste off the explorer/common menus and
put it on a web based extension only accessible through IE 7.3 (SP-Pi)
advanced configuration!
</sarcasm>

Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:55 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Betreft: [AccessD] Import/Copy menu and toolbars


Hi Bruce,

I always copy them by selecting with the right mouseclick the option
IMPORT in the table section of your database. Then select the original
database. In the screen that pops up next you will find in the right
corner the button Option or Advanced. Overthere you can select the
importspecs and tool and menubars.

Hope this helps

Gr. marcel vreuls




"Bruce Bruen" <bbruen at bigpond.com>@databaseadvisors.com op 20-05-2003
13:26:08

Antwoord aub aan accessd at databaseadvisors.com

Verzonden door:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com


Aan:  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
cc:

Onderwerp:     [AccessD] Import/Copy menu and toolbars


Dear List,

Try as I might I cannot find how to import or copy a menubar and/or a
toolbar fomr one db to another.  I have a dud AXP database from which I
have managed to recover everything but the customised menus and
toolbars.

Is there a way to do this?

Tia
Bruce

P.s. remembered the subject this time!


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From nkling at co.montgomery.ny.us  Tue May 20 07:23:33 2003
From: nkling at co.montgomery.ny.us (Neal Kling)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 08:23:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
Message-ID: <0EAA9F4906BA554FA26E6F9F2C5403022BD5D5@elmo.co.montgomery.ny.us>

One way I've done it is with a small cross bow with the fishing line
attachment.  20 meters in a quarter second!

Neal Kling
Lotus, isn't that some kind of fancy flower?


-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:05 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


Yeah.  Those work well for drop ceiling.  We used to
use string tied to a Nerf football...hehehe

It can be a little more problematic in housing rafters
though, unless you have lots of space.  Most houses
here in Phoenix don't have attics, so the rafters have
like 3 feet of clearance or so tops.  Makes it a real
pain in the butt to string cable through....hehee



From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Tue May 20 07:29:50 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 05:29:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
In-Reply-To: <002901c31ec9$5e824000$9900a8c0@bbb888>
Message-ID: <20030520122950.10516.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com>

You just agreed with what I said.  EXCEPT for one
thing.

If properly locked down, nobody else can access your
WiFi router.  It sounds like your son's school has
their wide open.  Unfortunately this is normally the
case.

You can TECHNICALLY have as many connections to a WiFi
router as you'd like.  I never said you couldn't.  I
said that they RECOMMENDED not having more than ten. 
For the very reason you state.  Because, depending on
the amount of data passing through the connections,
the bandwidth gets useless VERY quickly.

Regardless, it sounds like your son's school needs to
hire a computer security consultant.  For several
reasons, pretty much all stemming from the unsecured
WiFi routers.  Aside from the bandwidth issues, anyone
accessing the school's network by using the router,
pretty much has the same access as ANYONE else on the
LAN.  Which means, unless the classroom is seperated
from the campus LAN, not likely it sounds like it, an
intruder has "trusted" access to the INTERNAL campus
LAN.  It is relatively trivial once "inside" like
this, to gain access to proprietary and/or
confidential data, including any locally stored school
records.  Which could include student names,
addresses, telephone numbers, etc.  Most people aren't
aware of the fact that this information is protected
by law and violation of this law is subject to
criminal and civil penalties.  Your son's school is
opening themselves up to a WHOLE big legal mess, not
to mention a scary situation with the "world" having
access to this condifential data.

I *HIGHLY* recommend that you, or one of the other
parents, contact them about this.  If they won't do
anything, I'd suggest contacting the school board of
this district.  As a parent, I wouldn't want my
children's contact information OR scolastic
information available to pretty much anyone that
drives by the school with a laptop computer.

It's a proven fact that most networks have LESS
internal security than they do from the outside world.
 Meaning that most entities build a nice big fortress
to keep the outwide world out, but once you're INSIDE
the fortress, they left all of the doors unlocked.  So
anyone getting into their fortress via this WiFi
connection, has access to the inside of the fortress
and all of it's unlocked doors.

--- Bruce Bruen <bbruen at bigpond.com> wrote:
> Re: not more than 10
> 
> At my son's school they are using wireless routers
> with much much more
> that 10 connects.  We reckon up to 60 active
> sessions at a time - AND up
> to more than 200 connect attempts per router at the
> beginning of lesson.
> 
> Result - performance during the times that the kids
> try to log in =
> absolutely useless!  Some can take up to 20 minutes
> of a lesson to get a
> clean session negotiated - thus wasting most of the
> students and
> teachers available time.  I estimate that the
> negotiated connects never
> get any higher than 10mbps based on the experience
> of my wife who
> teaches there and says that the school network speed
> is less than out
> p2p 10 at home.
> 
> At my daughters school they use mini 5 port hubs in
> the kids "work
> stations" ( 4 desks screwed together) and a cabled
> hub per classroom (
> or at least 1 per pair of rooms)  Result - 10/100
> connections in the
> same time it takes them to plug in their blue worms!
>  For 1200 kids,
> connecting up to 6 times per day.
> 
> OTOH - as we live 300m by road from my son's school
> and probably <100m
> as the crow flies it does give him access to the
> school (and the net)
> without costing me a phone line!  But is this a good
> thing - I think
> not!  (who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of
> pubescent web
> surfers!)
> 
> So I suppose it depends on what you need to do with
> wireless.  If you
> want it so you can cart the laptop out to the
> doghouse when you are
> accused of ignoring your better half for a great
> AccessD debate session,
> then I suppose its great. But I reckon $15 worth of
> cat5 + a weekend of
> blue language and a couple of beers is a lot better.
> 
> JM20CW
> 
> Bruce
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> III
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 12:20 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> lines
> 
> 
> Yes, you can.  In fact I am considering this myself,
> so that I can have network access in my back yard
> and
> driveway areas.  Yes, I'm a geek at home too...ROFL
> 
> Cabling can get very expensive, unless you can do it
> yourself.  It's not so much the cable that's
> expensive.  It's the labor.  It's a b*tch to snake
> that cable throgh the rafters of the house and then
> down the inside walls.  Especially if your inside
> walls are insulated too, which most are anymore.
> 
> I was talking with one of the engineers at DLink,
> and
> they recomment not using more that ten wireless
> devices per wireless router.  That's one of the
> reasons I could never fully network my house via
> wireless.  I have too many network devices and will
> be
> adding more as I automate my home via computer.
> 
> --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > Frank:
> > 
> > Here's another question:  Can I daisy chain a
> > wireless router to my wired
> > router?  I'm out of ports.
> > 
> > Rocky
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software"
> > <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 6:53 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> > lines
> > 
> > 
> > > Frank:
> > >
> > > Thanks for the heads up.  I can get CAT5 to that
> > room but it will cost
> > > $500-600 because of where it is.  :(
> > >
> > > Looks like wireless for me.
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:29 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the
> phone
> > lines
> > >
> > >
> > > > I highly recommend against this.  Most
> telephone
> > > > wiring in homes is CAT3 *AT BEST*.  In alot of
> > cases,
> > > > not even that good.
> > > >
> > > > Most home telephone wiring is so splices and
> mickey-moused 
> > > > together that you will be lucky if
> > you
> > > > get any connection at all.  And if you do, it
> > will
> > > > probably be spotty, at best, due to
> > electromagenetic
> > > > interferance from other devices.
> > > >
> > > > Network engineering is what I do for a living.
> > I'd go
> > > > wireless LONG before I'd trust home telco
> wiring
> > for
> > > > my LAN.  Myself, I strung CAT5 in my house. 
> But
> > > > that's because I know how to.  For most home
> > users
> > > > wireless would be a perfect fit.  If you're
> > worried
> > > > about people leeching your bandwidth or
> > "sniffing" off
> > > > of your wireless LAN, there are ways to lock
> it
> > down,
> > > > simply.  Will it stop the determined leech?
> > Nope.
> > > > But it would stop 90% of the leeches that are
> > out
> > > > there, because most are just looking for free
> > > > bandwidth.  Not to mention, I'd think you'd
> > notice
> > > > someone sitting in front of your house with a
> laptop....hehehee
> > > >
> > > > --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> <bchacc at san.rr.com> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Dear List(s):
> > > > >
> > > > > Got a new computer to put into a room where
> we
> > can't
> > > > > reach it with CAT-5.  So I've been ready to
> go wireless, except 
> > > > > someone suggested using the
> > phone
> > > > > lines in the house (just as a substitute
> wire)
> > > > > instead of wireless.  Apparently, there's a
> > device
> > > > > that will connect the NIC and the phone jack
> > and you
> > > > > can use the phone wires in the house for
> > networking.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sounds, easy, and cheap, and low tech. 
> Anyone
> > know
> > > > > about this?
> > > > >
> > > > > MTIA
> > > > >
> > > > > Rocky Smolin
> > > > > Beach Access Software
> > > > > >
> 
=== message truncated ===


From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Tue May 20 07:32:52 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 05:32:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
In-Reply-To: <0EAA9F4906BA554FA26E6F9F2C5403022BD5D5@elmo.co.montgomery.ny.us>
Message-ID: <20030520123252.11041.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com>

Flinging it through the rafters isn't the hardest
part.  The hardest part is getting it down the inside
of the walls.  If you're just going to run it down the
outside of the wall, that's trivial.  Personally I
like things a bit neater and tidier than that.  Which
means running it down the inside of the wall to a
flush mounted jack.

Most modern houses have insulation in the walls, and
cross studs between the long studs in the walls.  This
means that you have to not only "dig" a channel
through the insulation you also have to drill a hole
through these cross studs.  This usually involves
cutting a hole in your wall to get to it.

--- Neal Kling <nkling at co.montgomery.ny.us> wrote:
> One way I've done it is with a small cross bow with
> the fishing line
> attachment.  20 meters in a quarter second!
> 
> Neal Kling
> Lotus, isn't that some kind of fancy flower?
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Tanner III
> [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:05 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> lines
> 
> 
> Yeah.  Those work well for drop ceiling.  We used to
> use string tied to a Nerf football...hehehe
> 
> It can be a little more problematic in housing
> rafters
> though, unless you have lots of space.  Most houses
> here in Phoenix don't have attics, so the rafters
> have
> like 3 feet of clearance or so tops.  Makes it a
> real
> pain in the butt to string cable through....hehee
> 
> 
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Tue May 20 07:36:48 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 05:36:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
In-Reply-To: <002401c31ec6$45d969a0$9900a8c0@bbb888>
Message-ID: <20030520123648.44407.qmail@web13402.mail.yahoo.com>

That works fine for an office build.  But RC cars
don't work well in raftered house ceilings.  Most
houses here use 2x6s or 2x8s for rafters.  Or at least
most of the ones that I've seen.

If you're running network lines down the same conduit
as electrical wiring you're violating about a dozen
fire and safety codes.  Not to mention every basic
rule of network wiring that there is.

Electrical wiring, ESPECIALLY two-phase and
three-phase wiring emit large amounts of RF.  RF kills
data integrity.  One of the most basic rules of
network wiring is NEVER string your network wires
across power conduits, junction boxes, or lighting
fixtures.  Don't believe me?  Ask anyone that does it
for a living.  You, physically, can do it, but you
shouldn't.  You're asking for trouble.

--- Bruce Bruen <bbruen at bigpond.com> wrote:
> Try a $50 remote control 4WD model (ATV? For youse
> yanquies?) - we wired
> 200+ points in an office building several years ago
> using a couple of
> these - without removing the false ceiling.  They
> have a great advantage
> over nerf balls as you can make them go around
> things!. Also used one to
> cast 240V twin core for ceiling downlights BETWEEN
> the ceiling and the
> upper floor in our "new" 1928 built house last year.
> One sparky said "it
> couldn't be done" without removing the original cast
> plaster ceilings,
> another said $4500+ (for running the cable).   I
> said "bullSh*t", and
> did it myself, got a GOOD sparky to connect the
> cabling to the house
> circuit and certify the work for $60 + 2 coffees and
> a couple of beers.
> 
> The way to get cable down a cored wall is to use
> that plastic strapping
> they use on whitegoods - as long as you can get a
> length of it - but
> better still is the plastic jointer strip out of
> quickclip flooring -
> you can shape the end to a blunt point and feed it
> UP a 1/2" or less
> core, attach the cable in the ceiling space and whip
> it down the core in
> approx 1/8 the time it takes the cat to get inside
> on a rainy day.  
> 
> If you DYI cat5, there is only one real tip - try
> not to kink the cable,
> otherwise I reckon its as good as $20/metre (or yard
> speaker cable for
> anything.  Oh, and another, if you cr*p up a
> connection on cat5 whether
> its Krone or grub screwed or whatever - cut the
> whole 4" off and start
> again, its not worth the hassle of bad connectors.
> 
> Have fun! Crawling in 18" high dusty, cramped, dark,
> lumpy (with sharp
> bits) spaces is what some idiots do for a sport!
> 
> Bruce
> 
> 
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> III
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:05 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> lines
> 
> 
> Yeah.  Those work well for drop ceiling.  We used to
> use string tied to a Nerf football...hehehe
> 
> It can be a little more problematic in housing
> rafters
> though, unless you have lots of space.  Most houses
> here in Phoenix don't have attics, so the rafters
> have
> like 3 feet of clearance or so tops.  Makes it a
> real
> pain in the butt to string cable through....hehee
> 
> --- MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca> wrote:
> > Here is an article on tools and methods to use for
> > difficult CAT-5 cabling.
> > I really like the fly fishing rod and slingshot
> > methods.
> >
>
http://www.techrepublic.com/article.jhtml?id=r00320030218vgl01.htm&fromt
> m=e101-3
> > 
> > Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:
> > 
> > >Frank:
> > >
> > >Thanks for the heads up.  I can get CAT5 to that
> > room but it will cost
> > >$500-600 because of where it is.  :(
> > >
> > >Looks like wireless for me.
> > >
> > >Rocky
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Frank Tanner III"
> <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > >To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:29 AM
> > >Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> > lines
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >>I highly recommend against this.  Most telephone
> > >>wiring in homes is CAT3 *AT BEST*.  In alot of
> > cases,
> > >>not even that good.
> > >>
> > >>Most home telephone wiring is so splices and
> > >>mickey-moused together that you will be lucky if
> > you
> > >>get any connection at all.  And if you do, it
> will
> > >>probably be spotty, at best, due to
> > electromagenetic
> > >>interferance from other devices.
> > >>
> > >>Network engineering is what I do for a living.
> > I'd go
> > >>wireless LONG before I'd trust home telco wiring
> > for
> > >>my LAN.  Myself, I strung CAT5 in my house.  But
> > >>that's because I know how to.  For most home
> users
> > >>wireless would be a perfect fit.  If you're
> > worried
> > >>about people leeching your bandwidth or
> "sniffing"
> > off
> > >>of your wireless LAN, there are ways to lock it
> > down,
> > >>simply.  Will it stop the determined leech? 
> Nope.
> > >>But it would stop 90% of the leeches that are
> out
> > >>there, because most are just looking for free
> > >>bandwidth.  Not to mention, I'd think you'd
> notice
> > >>someone sitting in front of your house with a
> laptop....hehehee
> > >>
> > >>--- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > >>    
> > >>
> > >>>Dear List(s):
> > >>>
> > >>>Got a new computer to put into a room where we
> > can't
> > >>>reach it with CAT-5.  So I've been ready to go
> > >>>wireless, except someone suggested using the
> > phone
> > >>>lines in the house (just as a substitute wire)
> > >>>instead of wireless.  Apparently, there's a
> > device
> > >>>that will connect the NIC and the phone jack
> and
> > you
> > >>>can use the phone wires in the house for
> > networking.
> > >>>
> > >>>Sounds, easy, and cheap, and low tech.  Anyone
> > know
> > >>>about this?
> > >>>
> > >>>MTIA
> > >>>
> > >>>Rocky Smolin
> > >>>Beach Access Software
> > >>>      
> > >>>
> >
> >>>>_______________________________________________
> > >>>>        
> > >>>>
> > >>>AccessD mailing list
> > >>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
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> > >>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >>>
> > >>>      
> > >>>
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> >
>
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> > >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >>
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> > >>
> > >
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From marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl  Tue May 20 07:46:05 2003
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl (marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 14:46:05 +0200
Subject: Betreft: RE: Betreft: [AccessD] Import/Copy menu and toolbars
Message-ID: <OF47E185C9.A1411B24-ONC1256D2C.00461ECB@achmea.nl>

:-)  you?re welcome




"Bruce Bruen" <bbruen at bigpond.com>@databaseadvisors.com op 20-05-2003
14:23:12

Antwoord aub aan accessd at databaseadvisors.com

Verzonden door:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com


Aan:  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
cc:

Onderwerp:     RE: Betreft: [AccessD] Import/Copy menu and toolbars


Merci Marcel!

Geeze Microsoft - now that was a bloody obvious place to put that,
wasn't it.  So bloody obvious you needn't put in help index item on it.
Why stop now?  Why not take copy/paste off the explorer/common menus and
put it on a web based extension only accessible through IE 7.3 (SP-Pi)
advanced configuration!
</sarcasm>

Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:55 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Betreft: [AccessD] Import/Copy menu and toolbars


Hi Bruce,

I always copy them by selecting with the right mouseclick the option
IMPORT in the table section of your database. Then select the original
database. In the screen that pops up next you will find in the right
corner the button Option or Advanced. Overthere you can select the
importspecs and tool and menubars.

Hope this helps

Gr. marcel vreuls




"Bruce Bruen" <bbruen at bigpond.com>@databaseadvisors.com op 20-05-2003
13:26:08

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Aan:  <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
cc:

Onderwerp:     [AccessD] Import/Copy menu and toolbars


Dear List,

Try as I might I cannot find how to import or copy a menubar and/or a
toolbar fomr one db to another.  I have a dud AXP database from which I
have managed to recover everything but the customised menus and
toolbars.

Is there a way to do this?

Tia
Bruce

P.s. remembered the subject this time!


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue May 20 07:50:53 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 08:50:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio Collapse Outlining 
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEAIDNAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Well I have found a partial solution to the issue of the modules opening
expanded.  The Edit Menu, Outline, Toggle All Outlining will collapse it
down if expanded and expand it if collapsed.  Thus Alt-E/Alt-N/Alt-L will
get you there from inside any module.  Unfortunately I still haven't found a
way to save the collapse state when the file is saved.

8-(

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From bbruen at bigpond.com  Tue May 20 07:57:24 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 22:57:24 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
In-Reply-To: <20030520123648.44407.qmail@web13402.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002b01c31ecf$5c53b880$9900a8c0@bbb888>

True enough - we only had to get across 2x4 stringers, luckily the
rafters/upper floor bearers (2x10) ran the other way.  The car
negotiated the 2x4s without a problem.

I would NEVER suggest running data through power conduit.  Guess we were
lucky again in that the house is full brick and there is a "fair" 10mm
gap between the skins, the only obstacle to vertical drops being the
brickies ties.  Brick veneer and etc with studded walls is always a
problem for any vertical cabling - I usually have opted for "dress"
conduit except in the rare cases where I felt the job was worth
replastering the wall.

Bruce
P.s. I have done it for a living.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Frank Tanner
III
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


That works fine for an office build.  But RC cars
don't work well in raftered house ceilings.  Most
houses here use 2x6s or 2x8s for rafters.  Or at least
most of the ones that I've seen.

If you're running network lines down the same conduit
as electrical wiring you're violating about a dozen
fire and safety codes.  Not to mention every basic
rule of network wiring that there is.

Electrical wiring, ESPECIALLY two-phase and
three-phase wiring emit large amounts of RF.  RF kills
data integrity.  One of the most basic rules of
network wiring is NEVER string your network wires
across power conduits, junction boxes, or lighting
fixtures.  Don't believe me?  Ask anyone that does it
for a living.  You, physically, can do it, but you
shouldn't.  You're asking for trouble.

--- Bruce Bruen <bbruen at bigpond.com> wrote:
> Try a $50 remote control 4WD model (ATV? For youse
> yanquies?) - we wired
> 200+ points in an office building several years ago
> using a couple of
> these - without removing the false ceiling.  They
> have a great advantage
> over nerf balls as you can make them go around
> things!. Also used one to
> cast 240V twin core for ceiling downlights BETWEEN
> the ceiling and the
> upper floor in our "new" 1928 built house last year.
> One sparky said "it
> couldn't be done" without removing the original cast
> plaster ceilings,
> another said $4500+ (for running the cable).   I
> said "bullSh*t", and
> did it myself, got a GOOD sparky to connect the
> cabling to the house
> circuit and certify the work for $60 + 2 coffees and
> a couple of beers.
> 
> The way to get cable down a cored wall is to use
> that plastic strapping
> they use on whitegoods - as long as you can get a
> length of it - but
> better still is the plastic jointer strip out of
> quickclip flooring -
> you can shape the end to a blunt point and feed it
> UP a 1/2" or less
> core, attach the cable in the ceiling space and whip
> it down the core in
> approx 1/8 the time it takes the cat to get inside
> on a rainy day.
> 
> If you DYI cat5, there is only one real tip - try
> not to kink the cable,
> otherwise I reckon its as good as $20/metre (or yard
> speaker cable for
> anything.  Oh, and another, if you cr*p up a
> connection on cat5 whether
> its Krone or grub screwed or whatever - cut the
> whole 4" off and start
> again, its not worth the hassle of bad connectors.
> 
> Have fun! Crawling in 18" high dusty, cramped, dark,
> lumpy (with sharp
> bits) spaces is what some idiots do for a sport!
> 
> Bruce
> 
> 
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> III
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:05 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> lines
> 
> 
> Yeah.  Those work well for drop ceiling.  We used to
> use string tied to a Nerf football...hehehe
> 
> It can be a little more problematic in housing
> rafters
> though, unless you have lots of space.  Most houses
> here in Phoenix don't have attics, so the rafters
> have
> like 3 feet of clearance or so tops.  Makes it a
> real
> pain in the butt to string cable through....hehee
> 
> --- MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca> wrote:
> > Here is an article on tools and methods to use for difficult CAT-5 
> > cabling. I really like the fly fishing rod and slingshot
> > methods.
> >
>
http://www.techrepublic.com/article.jhtml?id=r00320030218vgl01.htm&fromt
> m=e101-3
> > 
> > Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:
> > 
> > >Frank:
> > >
> > >Thanks for the heads up.  I can get CAT5 to that
> > room but it will cost
> > >$500-600 because of where it is.  :(
> > >
> > >Looks like wireless for me.
> > >
> > >Rocky
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Frank Tanner III"
> <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > >To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:29 AM
> > >Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> > lines
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >>I highly recommend against this.  Most telephone
> > >>wiring in homes is CAT3 *AT BEST*.  In alot of
> > cases,
> > >>not even that good.
> > >>
> > >>Most home telephone wiring is so splices and mickey-moused 
> > >>together that you will be lucky if
> > you
> > >>get any connection at all.  And if you do, it
> will
> > >>probably be spotty, at best, due to
> > electromagenetic
> > >>interferance from other devices.
> > >>
> > >>Network engineering is what I do for a living.
> > I'd go
> > >>wireless LONG before I'd trust home telco wiring
> > for
> > >>my LAN.  Myself, I strung CAT5 in my house.  But
> > >>that's because I know how to.  For most home
> users
> > >>wireless would be a perfect fit.  If you're
> > worried
> > >>about people leeching your bandwidth or
> "sniffing"
> > off
> > >>of your wireless LAN, there are ways to lock it
> > down,
> > >>simply.  Will it stop the determined leech?
> Nope.
> > >>But it would stop 90% of the leeches that are
> out
> > >>there, because most are just looking for free
> > >>bandwidth.  Not to mention, I'd think you'd
> notice
> > >>someone sitting in front of your house with a
> laptop....hehehee
> > >>
> > >>--- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > >>    
> > >>
> > >>>Dear List(s):
> > >>>
> > >>>Got a new computer to put into a room where we
> > can't
> > >>>reach it with CAT-5.  So I've been ready to go
> > >>>wireless, except someone suggested using the
> > phone
> > >>>lines in the house (just as a substitute wire)
> > >>>instead of wireless.  Apparently, there's a
> > device
> > >>>that will connect the NIC and the phone jack
> and
> > you
> > >>>can use the phone wires in the house for
> > networking.
> > >>>
> > >>>Sounds, easy, and cheap, and low tech.  Anyone
> > know
> > >>>about this?
> > >>>
> > >>>MTIA
> > >>>
> > >>>Rocky Smolin
> > >>>Beach Access Software
> > >>>      
> > >>>
> >
> >>>>_______________________________________________
> > >>>>        
> > >>>>
> > >>>AccessD mailing list
> > >>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > >>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >>>
> > >>>      
> > >>>
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> > >>AccessD mailing list
> > >>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
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> > >>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >>
> > >>    
> > >>
> > >
> > >
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> >
>
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From bbruen at bigpond.com  Tue May 20 08:02:06 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 23:02:06 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
In-Reply-To: <20030520122950.10516.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002c01c31ed0$0496ac00$9900a8c0@bbb888>

Frank,

The school security is pretty good. Its just that we live so close that
we can use their LAN via a proper authorised account as if he were in
the schoolyard.  I was just having my POV that wireless "aint all its
cracked up to be".

Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Frank Tanner
III
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:30 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


You just agreed with what I said.  EXCEPT for one
thing.

If properly locked down, nobody else can access your
WiFi router.  It sounds like your son's school has
their wide open.  Unfortunately this is normally the
case.

You can TECHNICALLY have as many connections to a WiFi
router as you'd like.  I never said you couldn't.  I
said that they RECOMMENDED not having more than ten. 
For the very reason you state.  Because, depending on
the amount of data passing through the connections,
the bandwidth gets useless VERY quickly.

Regardless, it sounds like your son's school needs to
hire a computer security consultant.  For several
reasons, pretty much all stemming from the unsecured
WiFi routers.  Aside from the bandwidth issues, anyone accessing the
school's network by using the router, pretty much has the same access as
ANYONE else on the LAN.  Which means, unless the classroom is seperated
from the campus LAN, not likely it sounds like it, an intruder has
"trusted" access to the INTERNAL campus LAN.  It is relatively trivial
once "inside" like this, to gain access to proprietary and/or
confidential data, including any locally stored school records.  Which
could include student names, addresses, telephone numbers, etc.  Most
people aren't aware of the fact that this information is protected by
law and violation of this law is subject to criminal and civil
penalties.  Your son's school is opening themselves up to a WHOLE big
legal mess, not to mention a scary situation with the "world" having
access to this condifential data.

I *HIGHLY* recommend that you, or one of the other
parents, contact them about this.  If they won't do
anything, I'd suggest contacting the school board of
this district.  As a parent, I wouldn't want my
children's contact information OR scolastic
information available to pretty much anyone that
drives by the school with a laptop computer.

It's a proven fact that most networks have LESS
internal security than they do from the outside world.
 Meaning that most entities build a nice big fortress
to keep the outwide world out, but once you're INSIDE
the fortress, they left all of the doors unlocked.  So
anyone getting into their fortress via this WiFi
connection, has access to the inside of the fortress
and all of it's unlocked doors.

--- Bruce Bruen <bbruen at bigpond.com> wrote:
> Re: not more than 10
> 
> At my son's school they are using wireless routers
> with much much more
> that 10 connects.  We reckon up to 60 active
> sessions at a time - AND up
> to more than 200 connect attempts per router at the
> beginning of lesson.
> 
> Result - performance during the times that the kids
> try to log in =
> absolutely useless!  Some can take up to 20 minutes
> of a lesson to get a
> clean session negotiated - thus wasting most of the
> students and
> teachers available time.  I estimate that the
> negotiated connects never
> get any higher than 10mbps based on the experience
> of my wife who
> teaches there and says that the school network speed
> is less than out
> p2p 10 at home.
> 
> At my daughters school they use mini 5 port hubs in
> the kids "work
> stations" ( 4 desks screwed together) and a cabled
> hub per classroom (
> or at least 1 per pair of rooms)  Result - 10/100
> connections in the
> same time it takes them to plug in their blue worms!
>  For 1200 kids,
> connecting up to 6 times per day.
> 
> OTOH - as we live 300m by road from my son's school
> and probably <100m
> as the crow flies it does give him access to the
> school (and the net)
> without costing me a phone line!  But is this a good
> thing - I think
> not!  (who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of
> pubescent web
> surfers!)
> 
> So I suppose it depends on what you need to do with
> wireless.  If you
> want it so you can cart the laptop out to the
> doghouse when you are
> accused of ignoring your better half for a great
> AccessD debate session,
> then I suppose its great. But I reckon $15 worth of
> cat5 + a weekend of
> blue language and a couple of beers is a lot better.
> 
> JM20CW
> 
> Bruce
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> III
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 12:20 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> lines
> 
> 
> Yes, you can.  In fact I am considering this myself,
> so that I can have network access in my back yard
> and
> driveway areas.  Yes, I'm a geek at home too...ROFL
> 
> Cabling can get very expensive, unless you can do it yourself.  It's 
> not so much the cable that's expensive.  It's the labor.  It's a b*tch

> to snake that cable throgh the rafters of the house and then
> down the inside walls.  Especially if your inside
> walls are insulated too, which most are anymore.
> 
> I was talking with one of the engineers at DLink,
> and
> they recomment not using more that ten wireless
> devices per wireless router.  That's one of the
> reasons I could never fully network my house via
> wireless.  I have too many network devices and will
> be
> adding more as I automate my home via computer.
> 
> --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > Frank:
> > 
> > Here's another question:  Can I daisy chain a
> > wireless router to my wired
> > router?  I'm out of ports.
> > 
> > Rocky
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 6:53 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> > lines
> > 
> > 
> > > Frank:
> > >
> > > Thanks for the heads up.  I can get CAT5 to that
> > room but it will cost
> > > $500-600 because of where it is.  :(
> > >
> > > Looks like wireless for me.
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Frank Tanner III"
> > <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:29 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the
> phone
> > lines
> > >
> > >
> > > > I highly recommend against this.  Most
> telephone
> > > > wiring in homes is CAT3 *AT BEST*.  In alot of
> > cases,
> > > > not even that good.
> > > >
> > > > Most home telephone wiring is so splices and
> mickey-moused
> > > > together that you will be lucky if
> > you
> > > > get any connection at all.  And if you do, it
> > will
> > > > probably be spotty, at best, due to
> > electromagenetic
> > > > interferance from other devices.
> > > >
> > > > Network engineering is what I do for a living.
> > I'd go
> > > > wireless LONG before I'd trust home telco
> wiring
> > for
> > > > my LAN.  Myself, I strung CAT5 in my house.
> But
> > > > that's because I know how to.  For most home
> > users
> > > > wireless would be a perfect fit.  If you're
> > worried
> > > > about people leeching your bandwidth or
> > "sniffing" off
> > > > of your wireless LAN, there are ways to lock
> it
> > down,
> > > > simply.  Will it stop the determined leech?
> > Nope.
> > > > But it would stop 90% of the leeches that are
> > out
> > > > there, because most are just looking for free bandwidth.  Not to

> > > > mention, I'd think you'd
> > notice
> > > > someone sitting in front of your house with a
> laptop....hehehee
> > > >
> > > > --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Dear List(s):
> > > > >
> > > > > Got a new computer to put into a room where
> we
> > can't
> > > > > reach it with CAT-5.  So I've been ready to
> go wireless, except
> > > > > someone suggested using the
> > phone
> > > > > lines in the house (just as a substitute
> wire)
> > > > > instead of wireless.  Apparently, there's a
> > device
> > > > > that will connect the NIC and the phone jack
> > and you
> > > > > can use the phone wires in the house for
> > networking.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sounds, easy, and cheap, and low tech.
> Anyone
> > know
> > > > > about this?
> > > > >
> > > > > MTIA
> > > > >
> > > > > Rocky Smolin
> > > > > Beach Access Software
> > > > > >
> 
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From artful at rogers.com  Tue May 20 08:29:19 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 09:29:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
Message-ID: <006f01c31ed3$d12f0c00$8e01a8c0@Rock>

>From my experiments, it appears that MyControl.OldValue is available for
scrutiny only in the BeforeUpdate event. In the AfterUpdate event it seems
to be lost. I just wanted to confirm this hypothesis.

The point of the exercise is that I need to keep track of which columns a
user has changed and then take action accordingly. I have to update some
columns in another table depending on which columns changed in the current
table, but only if the update to the current table was successul. I don't
actually care about the old value, I'm just using it to determine which
columns changed. But by the time I get to AfterUpdate I've lost the
information. 

Any suggestions as to how to work around this?

TIA,
Arthur


From nkling at co.montgomery.ny.us  Tue May 20 08:35:43 2003
From: nkling at co.montgomery.ny.us (Neal Kling)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 09:35:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
Message-ID: <0EAA9F4906BA554FA26E6F9F2C5403022BD5DF@elmo.co.montgomery.ny.us>

How about a 'changed column' collection populated in the BeforeUpdate
event of each control.  Then you can walk through the collection at the
appropriate moment.

Neal Kling
Lotus, isn't that some kind of fancy flower?


-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:29 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate


>From my experiments, it appears that MyControl.OldValue is available
for
scrutiny only in the BeforeUpdate event. In the AfterUpdate event it
seems
to be lost. I just wanted to confirm this hypothesis.

The point of the exercise is that I need to keep track of which columns
a
user has changed and then take action accordingly. I have to update some
columns in another table depending on which columns changed in the
current
table, but only if the update to the current table was successul. I
don't
actually care about the old value, I'm just using it to determine which
columns changed. But by the time I get to AfterUpdate I've lost the
information. 

Any suggestions as to how to work around this?

TIA,
Arthur

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue May 20 08:39:58 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 09:39:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
In-Reply-To: <006f01c31ed3$d12f0c00$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEAKDNAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

OldValue is set to Value when the data stores, thus by AfterUpdate the
OldValue data has indeed been lost.  Use BeforeUpdate to store the value to
a variable, then compare to that variable in AfterUpdate.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:29 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate


>From my experiments, it appears that MyControl.OldValue is available for
scrutiny only in the BeforeUpdate event. In the AfterUpdate event it seems
to be lost. I just wanted to confirm this hypothesis.

The point of the exercise is that I need to keep track of which columns a
user has changed and then take action accordingly. I have to update some
columns in another table depending on which columns changed in the current
table, but only if the update to the current table was successul. I don't
actually care about the old value, I'm just using it to determine which
columns changed. But by the time I get to AfterUpdate I've lost the
information.

Any suggestions as to how to work around this?

TIA,
Arthur

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From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca  Tue May 20 08:51:30 2003
From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 09:51:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio Collapse Outlining
Message-ID: <sec9faad.011@cbc.ca>

John,

I may be able to save you a couple of key presses.

Try:

Alt+E, N, L

Alt+E should expand the Edit Menu. N should select the OutLine SubMenu and then L will select the Collapse/UnCollapse item.

Not much savings, but possible some, since I haven't tested it.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

>>> jcolby at colbyconsulting.com 20-May-03 8:50:53 AM >>>
Well I have found a partial solution to the issue of the modules opening
expanded.  The Edit Menu, Outline, Toggle All Outlining will collapse it
down if expanded and expand it if collapsed.  Thus Alt-E/Alt-N/Alt-L will
get you there from inside any module.  Unfortunately I still haven't found a
way to save the collapse state when the file is saved.

8-(

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue May 20 09:00:22 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 10:00:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio Collapse Outlining
In-Reply-To: <sec9faad.011@cbc.ca>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEALDNAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Yep, that works.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bryan
Carbonnell
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:52 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio Collapse Outlining


John,

I may be able to save you a couple of key presses.

Try:

Alt+E, N, L

Alt+E should expand the Edit Menu. N should select the OutLine SubMenu and
then L will select the Collapse/UnCollapse item.

Not much savings, but possible some, since I haven't tested it.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

>>> jcolby at colbyconsulting.com 20-May-03 8:50:53 AM >>>
Well I have found a partial solution to the issue of the modules opening
expanded.  The Edit Menu, Outline, Toggle All Outlining will collapse it
down if expanded and expand it if collapsed.  Thus Alt-E/Alt-N/Alt-L will
get you there from inside any module.  Unfortunately I still haven't found a
way to save the collapse state when the file is saved.

8-(

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue May 20 09:26:16 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 07:26:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
References: <002401c31ec6$45d969a0$9900a8c0@bbb888>
Message-ID: <005401c31edb$c629dfd0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Bruce:

You've convinced me.  Wireless it is! :)

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bruce Bruen" <bbruen at bigpond.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:52 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


> Try a $50 remote control 4WD model (ATV? For youse yanquies?) - we wired
> 200+ points in an office building several years ago using a couple of
> these - without removing the false ceiling.  They have a great advantage
> over nerf balls as you can make them go around things!. Also used one to
> cast 240V twin core for ceiling downlights BETWEEN the ceiling and the
> upper floor in our "new" 1928 built house last year. One sparky said "it
> couldn't be done" without removing the original cast plaster ceilings,
> another said $4500+ (for running the cable).   I said "bullSh*t", and
> did it myself, got a GOOD sparky to connect the cabling to the house
> circuit and certify the work for $60 + 2 coffees and a couple of beers.
> 
> The way to get cable down a cored wall is to use that plastic strapping
> they use on whitegoods - as long as you can get a length of it - but
> better still is the plastic jointer strip out of quickclip flooring -
> you can shape the end to a blunt point and feed it UP a 1/2" or less
> core, attach the cable in the ceiling space and whip it down the core in
> approx 1/8 the time it takes the cat to get inside on a rainy day.  
> 
> If you DYI cat5, there is only one real tip - try not to kink the cable,
> otherwise I reckon its as good as $20/metre (or yard speaker cable for
> anything.  Oh, and another, if you cr*p up a connection on cat5 whether
> its Krone or grub screwed or whatever - cut the whole 4" off and start
> again, its not worth the hassle of bad connectors.
> 
> Have fun! Crawling in 18" high dusty, cramped, dark, lumpy (with sharp
> bits) spaces is what some idiots do for a sport!
> 
> Bruce
> 
> 
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> III
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:05 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
> 
> 
> Yeah.  Those work well for drop ceiling.  We used to
> use string tied to a Nerf football...hehehe
> 
> It can be a little more problematic in housing rafters
> though, unless you have lots of space.  Most houses
> here in Phoenix don't have attics, so the rafters have
> like 3 feet of clearance or so tops.  Makes it a real
> pain in the butt to string cable through....hehee
> 
> --- MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca> wrote:
> > Here is an article on tools and methods to use for
> > difficult CAT-5 cabling.
> > I really like the fly fishing rod and slingshot
> > methods.
> >
> http://www.techrepublic.com/article.jhtml?id=r00320030218vgl01.htm&fromt
> m=e101-3
> > 
> > Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:
> > 
> > >Frank:
> > >
> > >Thanks for the heads up.  I can get CAT5 to that
> > room but it will cost
> > >$500-600 because of where it is.  :(
> > >
> > >Looks like wireless for me.
> > >
> > >Rocky
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Frank Tanner III" <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > >To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:29 AM
> > >Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> > lines
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >>I highly recommend against this.  Most telephone
> > >>wiring in homes is CAT3 *AT BEST*.  In alot of
> > cases,
> > >>not even that good.
> > >>
> > >>Most home telephone wiring is so splices and
> > >>mickey-moused together that you will be lucky if
> > you
> > >>get any connection at all.  And if you do, it will
> > >>probably be spotty, at best, due to
> > electromagenetic
> > >>interferance from other devices.
> > >>
> > >>Network engineering is what I do for a living.
> > I'd go
> > >>wireless LONG before I'd trust home telco wiring
> > for
> > >>my LAN.  Myself, I strung CAT5 in my house.  But
> > >>that's because I know how to.  For most home users
> > >>wireless would be a perfect fit.  If you're
> > worried
> > >>about people leeching your bandwidth or "sniffing"
> > off
> > >>of your wireless LAN, there are ways to lock it
> > down,
> > >>simply.  Will it stop the determined leech?  Nope.
> > >>But it would stop 90% of the leeches that are out
> > >>there, because most are just looking for free
> > >>bandwidth.  Not to mention, I'd think you'd notice
> > >>someone sitting in front of your house with a laptop....hehehee
> > >>
> > >>--- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > >>    
> > >>
> > >>>Dear List(s):
> > >>>
> > >>>Got a new computer to put into a room where we
> > can't
> > >>>reach it with CAT-5.  So I've been ready to go
> > >>>wireless, except someone suggested using the
> > phone
> > >>>lines in the house (just as a substitute wire)
> > >>>instead of wireless.  Apparently, there's a
> > device
> > >>>that will connect the NIC and the phone jack and
> > you
> > >>>can use the phone wires in the house for
> > networking.
> > >>>
> > >>>Sounds, easy, and cheap, and low tech.  Anyone
> > know
> > >>>about this?
> > >>>
> > >>>MTIA
> > >>>
> > >>>Rocky Smolin
> > >>>Beach Access Software
> > >>>      
> > >>>
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> > >>>>        
> > >>>>
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> > >>>
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> > >>    
> > >>
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue May 20 09:41:03 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 07:41:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F8D@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I often use the Tag property for that purpose instead of a variable ...
Except when I'm using Tag for something else, of course. <g>

Charlotte Foust

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From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 5:40 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate


OldValue is set to Value when the data stores, thus by AfterUpdate the
OldValue data has indeed been lost.  Use BeforeUpdate to store the value
to a variable, then compare to that variable in AfterUpdate.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:29 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate


>From my experiments, it appears that MyControl.OldValue is available 
>for
scrutiny only in the BeforeUpdate event. In the AfterUpdate event it
seems to be lost. I just wanted to confirm this hypothesis.

The point of the exercise is that I need to keep track of which columns
a user has changed and then take action accordingly. I have to update
some columns in another table depending on which columns changed in the
current table, but only if the update to the current table was
successul. I don't actually care about the old value, I'm just using it
to determine which columns changed. But by the time I get to AfterUpdate
I've lost the information.

Any suggestions as to how to work around this?

TIA,
Arthur

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue May 20 09:43:26 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 10:43:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Virus
In-Reply-To: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F8781A@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEAODNAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Just a heads up for those with poor virus protection...

I just got an email "from" 'Support at Microsoft.com', Re: Approved (Ref:
3394-65467).

It had a virus in an attached file which NAV found and quarantined.

John W. Colby
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From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Tue May 20 09:48:58 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 16:48:58 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Virus
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEAODNAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <002d01c31ede$fd5e6220$0300a8c0@S856>

got it too just these minutes, also found by NAV
Lembit Soobik

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To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:43 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Virus


> Just a heads up for those with poor virus protection...
> 
> I just got an email "from" 'Support at Microsoft.com', Re: Approved (Ref:
> 3394-65467).
> 
> It had a virus in an attached file which NAV found and quarantined.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue May 20 09:48:51 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 07:48:51 -0700
Subject: Betreft: [AccessD] Import/Copy menu and toolbars
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C335@infoserver01.infostat.local>

The ability to copy menubars and IMEX specs from another database has
been in the same place for so many versions, they probably figured
everyone had found it by now. <VBG>

Charlotte Foust

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From: Bruce Bruen [mailto:bbruen at bigpond.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:23 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: Betreft: [AccessD] Import/Copy menu and toolbars


Merci Marcel!

Geeze Microsoft - now that was a bloody obvious place to put that,
wasn't it.  So bloody obvious you needn't put in help index item on it.
Why stop now?  Why not take copy/paste off the explorer/common menus and
put it on a web based extension only accessible through IE 7.3 (SP-Pi)
advanced configuration! </sarcasm>

Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:55 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Betreft: [AccessD] Import/Copy menu and toolbars


Hi Bruce,

I always copy them by selecting with the right mouseclick the option
IMPORT in the table section of your database. Then select the original
database. In the screen that pops up next you will find in the right
corner the button Option or Advanced. Overthere you can select the
importspecs and tool and menubars.

Hope this helps

Gr. marcel vreuls




"Bruce Bruen" <bbruen at bigpond.com>@databaseadvisors.com op 20-05-2003
13:26:08

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Onderwerp:     [AccessD] Import/Copy menu and toolbars


Dear List,

Try as I might I cannot find how to import or copy a menubar and/or a
toolbar fomr one db to another.  I have a dud AXP database from which I
have managed to recover everything but the customised menus and
toolbars.

Is there a way to do this?

Tia
Bruce

P.s. remembered the subject this time!


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From mitsules_ms at nns.com  Tue May 20 09:48:10 2003
From: mitsules_ms at nns.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 10:48:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Normalization Cleanup Problem
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E293F5@nnse14.nns.com>

Group,

I have inherited a poorly designed table which I now have the time to fix.
It is the classic list of items and numerous fields for each category to
which each item applies.  I've already created and populated the normalized
tables.  What is the easiest way to make a junction table out of a table
created in this manner?  Thanks for any suggestions.


Example Record (not real data):
ID         1
ITEM       Apple
FRUIT      X
VEGETABLE
RED        X
YELLOW     X
GREEN      X
PURPLE
VINE
PLANT
BUSH
TREE       X


Mark

From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue May 20 09:52:51 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 07:52:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A97 Strange Delete Behavior
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F8F@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I haven't taken the time to figure out exactly what those two archaic
lines say, but I can tell you what's happening.  You're deleting the
table rather than the record.  If you want to delete a record, just use
this:
 
DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdDeleteRecord
 
First, you will want to set the focus back to a data control just to
keep Access from getting confused.
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Judy Johnson [mailto:jjwrite at earthlink.net] 
	Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 3:39 AM
	To: AccessD
	Subject: [AccessD] A97 Strange Delete Behavior
	
	

	
	I'm having a very strange thing occur. Not sure what's going on.
	 
	My application consists of a FE and BE. I'm linking properly and
my tables are being updated as expected. However; I added a Delete
button to a data entry form and used the Wizard - Delete Record.
	 
	When I launch the delete button the record doesn't get deleted,
but the link to the table, which is the table that the data source SQL
statement is based on, gets deleted. I've used this wizard many times
before and have never had a problem. I'm stumped!
	 
	Code that got produced by the wizard:
	    Private Sub CmdD_Click()
	    On Error GoTo Err_CmdD_Click

	    DoCmd.DoMenuItem acFormBar, acEditMenu, 8, , acMenuVer70
	    DoCmd.DoMenuItem acFormBar, acEditMenu, 6, , acMenuVer70
	 
	Exit_CmdD_Click:
	    Exit Sub
	 
	Err_CmdD_Click:
	    MsgBox Err.Description
	    Resume Exit_CmdD_Click
	    
	End Sub
	
	 
	Judy Johnson
	jjwrite at earthlink.net
	860-482-8651
	860-309-2484 (cell)
	 

	

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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Tue May 20 09:52:49 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 15:52:49 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569DB@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Yup, it's gorgeous all right. Sadly, we haven't the time or the talent to
write interfaces such as that...

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 11:45
To: accessd
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Roz

For good design download one of Bens DBs, Pathways. It is unvelieveable from
a purely graphical point of view.

Martin

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue May 20 09:54:38 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 07:54:38 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Virus
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F90@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I've had one of those a day lately at work and SpamCop notified me they
had caught and killed one before forwarding the message to me.  I CANNOT
figure out what kind of a thrill people get from sending that stuff!

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:43 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Virus


Just a heads up for those with poor virus protection...

I just got an email "from" 'Support at Microsoft.com', Re: Approved (Ref:
3394-65467).

It had a virus in an attached file which NAV found and quarantined.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From PBudge at cbsol.com  Tue May 20 09:59:16 2003
From: PBudge at cbsol.com (PBudge at cbsol.com)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 09:59:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Virus
Message-ID: <OFC7C9D76A.6386EFDB-ON86256D2C.0052177B@cbsol.com>


I got the exact email yesterday and again today.  Fortunately, I use Lotus
Notes here at work so didn't have any problems with it.  You getting it too
does make me wonder if it's not related to the list though - perhaps
someone else on the list is infected?  I assume that Drew's archives don't
show our email addresses.


Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions


                                                                                                                                               
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Just a heads up for those with poor virus protection...

I just got an email "from" 'Support at Microsoft.com', Re: Approved (Ref:
3394-65467).

It had a virus in an attached file which NAV found and quarantined.

John W. Colby
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue May 20 09:57:16 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 07:57:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F91@infoserver01.infostat.local>

There's also a great book out call User Interface Design for
Programmers, by Joel Spolsky, that discusses Windows interface design in
general, complete with examples of what to avoid.
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
	Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:53 AM
	To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
	Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
	
	

	Hi all 

	Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a discussion
about interface design, and someone was hosting a gallery of different
interfaces that had been done with Access?

	Does anybody know if it's still there, where it was, and whether
there are any other good resources out there? 

	TIA 

	Roz 

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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Tue May 20 09:59:30 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 15:59:30 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Virus
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEAODNAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
	<002d01c31ede$fd5e6220$0300a8c0@S856>
Message-ID: <000901c31ee0$6a6b4b70$9111758f@aine>

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3040247.stm


Martin



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lembit Soobik" <Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de>
To: "accessd" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus


> got it too just these minutes, also found by NAV
> Lembit Soobik
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:43 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Virus
> 
> 
> > Just a heads up for those with poor virus protection...
> > 
> > I just got an email "from" 'Support at Microsoft.com', Re: Approved (Ref:
> > 3394-65467).
> > 
> > It had a virus in an attached file which NAV found and quarantined.
> > 
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> 
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From artful at rogers.com  Tue May 20 10:00:35 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 11:00:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F8D@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <007401c31ee0$9188e000$8e01a8c0@Rock>

That's not a bad idea, Charlotte. And one can always assemble and later
parse the Tag as if it were say a connection string, by looking for the
semicolons. I think I'll do some experiments. Thanks for the suggestion.

A.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: May 20, 2003 10:41 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate


I often use the Tag property for that purpose instead of a variable ...
Except when I'm using Tag for something else, of course. <g>

Charlotte Foust


From harkins at iglou.com  Tue May 20 10:05:49 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 11:05:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Virus
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F90@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <003001c31ee1$510346f0$ade6ffcc@SusanOne>

It has been a bad week -- I'm getting, on the average, about 20 infected
messages a day. Before this week -- a few a week. I'm using Norton and
frankly, I usually just update my files every few days -- I'm tempted to
start updating every few hours! ;)

Susan H.


> I've had one of those a day lately at work and SpamCop notified me they
> had caught and killed one before forwarding the message to me.  I CANNOT
> figure out what kind of a thrill people get from sending that stuff!
>
> Charlotte Foust



From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Tue May 20 10:07:39 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 10:07:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A97 Strange Delete Behavior
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F87823@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

That's old Access 2.0 code that M$ seems unable to convert since their
wizards keep generating it.  The first line says to execute the 8th item
on that menu, which in A2.0 was the Select option.  The next line says
to execute the 6th option which was the Delete option.  Of course, if
they change the order of the options on the menu then you are royally
scr*wed.

If it is the table that has focus instead of the record, then you are
selecting and deleting the table, not the record you wanted to delete.

Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: Tuesday 2003 May 20 09:53
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A97 Strange Delete Behavior
Importance: Low


I haven't taken the time to figure out exactly what those two archaic
lines say, but I can tell you what's happening.  You're deleting the
table rather than the record.  If you want to delete a record, just use
this:

DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdDeleteRecord

First, you will want to set the focus back to a data control just to
keep Access from getting confused.

Charlotte Foust
-----Original Message-----
From: Judy Johnson [mailto:jjwrite at earthlink.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 3:39 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] A97 Strange Delete Behavior


I'm having a very strange thing occur. Not sure what's going on.

My application consists of a FE and BE. I'm linking properly and my
tables are being updated as expected. However; I added a Delete button
to a data entry form and used the Wizard - Delete Record.

When I launch the delete button the record doesn't get deleted, but the
link to the table, which is the table that the data source SQL statement
is based on, gets deleted. I've used this wizard many times before and
have never had a problem. I'm stumped!

Code that got produced by the wizard:
    Private Sub CmdD_Click()
    On Error GoTo Err_CmdD_Click

    DoCmd.DoMenuItem acFormBar, acEditMenu, 8, , acMenuVer70
    DoCmd.DoMenuItem acFormBar, acEditMenu, 6, , acMenuVer70

Exit_CmdD_Click:
    Exit Sub

Err_CmdD_Click:
    MsgBox Err.Description
    Resume Exit_CmdD_Click
    
End Sub


Judy Johnson
jjwrite at earthlink.net
860-482-8651
860-309-2484 (cell)

From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue May 20 10:08:11 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 08:08:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Virus
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F93@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I've been getting it at work for a week or so, but I'm also getting it
at home on two different email addresses, so I don't think it's related
to the list.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: PBudge at cbsol.com [mailto:PBudge at cbsol.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus



I got the exact email yesterday and again today.  Fortunately, I use
Lotus Notes here at work so didn't have any problems with it.  You
getting it too does make me wonder if it's not related to the list
though - perhaps someone else on the list is infected?  I assume that
Drew's archives don't show our email addresses.


Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions


 

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Just a heads up for those with poor virus protection...

I just got an email "from" 'Support at Microsoft.com', Re: Approved (Ref:
3394-65467).

It had a virus in an attached file which NAV found and quarantined.

John W. Colby
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From mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com  Tue May 20 11:11:42 2003
From: mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com (Mark Whittinghill)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 10:11:42 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEAKDNAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00e401c31eea$80e24980$0400000a@PASCAL>

That's interesting, because I use OldValue with AfterUpdate all the time,
and it works just fine.

Mark Whittinghill
Symphony Information Services
612-333-1311
mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:39 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate


> OldValue is set to Value when the data stores, thus by AfterUpdate the
> OldValue data has indeed been lost.  Use BeforeUpdate to store the value
to
> a variable, then compare to that variable in AfterUpdate.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:29 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
>
>
> >From my experiments, it appears that MyControl.OldValue is available for
> scrutiny only in the BeforeUpdate event. In the AfterUpdate event it seems
> to be lost. I just wanted to confirm this hypothesis.
>
> The point of the exercise is that I need to keep track of which columns a
> user has changed and then take action accordingly. I have to update some
> columns in another table depending on which columns changed in the current
> table, but only if the update to the current table was successul. I don't
> actually care about the old value, I'm just using it to determine which
> columns changed. But by the time I get to AfterUpdate I've lost the
> information.
>
> Any suggestions as to how to work around this?
>
> TIA,
> Arthur
>
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Tue May 20 10:17:10 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 16:17:10 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] 
	RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
	Find Files db
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569DC@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but
Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:

  Dim varItem As Variant
  With Application.FileSearch
    .NewSearch
    .SearchSubFolders = True
    .FileName = "*.mdb"
    .LookIn = "G:\"
    .Execute
    'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
        strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & varItem & "'
)"
        'Debug.Print strSQL
        DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
    Next varItem
  End With

This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any date
info. But that's fine, I can live with that.

What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it (yes, I
know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but the
.FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked in any
sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky behaviour you
guys have experienced?!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
To: Roz Clarke
Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


Was curious about the code.  Standing by...

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


> The email or the code?
>
> I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out yet 
> - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and 
> now have
a
> stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
>
> I'll let you know!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> did it work?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
> Find Files db
>
>
> > cheers
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with a 
> > .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.
> > Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > >
> > >
> > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Roz:
> > >
> > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > >
> > > Do you have another email address that might let these go through?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector" 
> > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable.
> > Find
> > > Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company 
> > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > >
> > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>


From nancy.lytle at auatac.com  Tue May 20 10:26:43 2003
From: nancy.lytle at auatac.com (Nancy Lytle)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 11:26:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
In-Reply-To: <002b01c31ecf$5c53b880$9900a8c0@bbb888>
Message-ID: <OPEHJDCMPKDOHDELKBPHKEOJDLAA.nancy.lytle@auatac.com>

On a lighter note, for those really tight places for stringing cables -
walls and low ceilings-, why not use a ferret, they can get into the most
unusual places, they work on the cheap, on the other hand they can be
tempermental.

N Lytle :))

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:57 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


True enough - we only had to get across 2x4 stringers, luckily the
rafters/upper floor bearers (2x10) ran the other way.  The car
negotiated the 2x4s without a problem.

I would NEVER suggest running data through power conduit.  Guess we were
lucky again in that the house is full brick and there is a "fair" 10mm
gap between the skins, the only obstacle to vertical drops being the
brickies ties.  Brick veneer and etc with studded walls is always a
problem for any vertical cabling - I usually have opted for "dress"
conduit except in the rare cases where I felt the job was worth
replastering the wall.

Bruce
P.s. I have done it for a living.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Frank Tanner
III
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


That works fine for an office build.  But RC cars
don't work well in raftered house ceilings.  Most
houses here use 2x6s or 2x8s for rafters.  Or at least
most of the ones that I've seen.

If you're running network lines down the same conduit
as electrical wiring you're violating about a dozen
fire and safety codes.  Not to mention every basic
rule of network wiring that there is.

Electrical wiring, ESPECIALLY two-phase and
three-phase wiring emit large amounts of RF.  RF kills
data integrity.  One of the most basic rules of
network wiring is NEVER string your network wires
across power conduits, junction boxes, or lighting
fixtures.  Don't believe me?  Ask anyone that does it
for a living.  You, physically, can do it, but you
shouldn't.  You're asking for trouble.

--- Bruce Bruen <bbruen at bigpond.com> wrote:
> Try a $50 remote control 4WD model (ATV? For youse
> yanquies?) - we wired
> 200+ points in an office building several years ago
> using a couple of
> these - without removing the false ceiling.  They
> have a great advantage
> over nerf balls as you can make them go around
> things!. Also used one to
> cast 240V twin core for ceiling downlights BETWEEN
> the ceiling and the
> upper floor in our "new" 1928 built house last year.
> One sparky said "it
> couldn't be done" without removing the original cast
> plaster ceilings,
> another said $4500+ (for running the cable).   I
> said "bullSh*t", and
> did it myself, got a GOOD sparky to connect the
> cabling to the house
> circuit and certify the work for $60 + 2 coffees and
> a couple of beers.
>
> The way to get cable down a cored wall is to use
> that plastic strapping
> they use on whitegoods - as long as you can get a
> length of it - but
> better still is the plastic jointer strip out of
> quickclip flooring -
> you can shape the end to a blunt point and feed it
> UP a 1/2" or less
> core, attach the cable in the ceiling space and whip
> it down the core in
> approx 1/8 the time it takes the cat to get inside
> on a rainy day.
>
> If you DYI cat5, there is only one real tip - try
> not to kink the cable,
> otherwise I reckon its as good as $20/metre (or yard
> speaker cable for
> anything.  Oh, and another, if you cr*p up a
> connection on cat5 whether
> its Krone or grub screwed or whatever - cut the
> whole 4" off and start
> again, its not worth the hassle of bad connectors.
>
> Have fun! Crawling in 18" high dusty, cramped, dark,
> lumpy (with sharp
> bits) spaces is what some idiots do for a sport!
>
> Bruce
>
>
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> III
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:05 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> lines
>
>
> Yeah.  Those work well for drop ceiling.  We used to
> use string tied to a Nerf football...hehehe
>
> It can be a little more problematic in housing
> rafters
> though, unless you have lots of space.  Most houses
> here in Phoenix don't have attics, so the rafters
> have
> like 3 feet of clearance or so tops.  Makes it a
> real
> pain in the butt to string cable through....hehee
>
> --- MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca> wrote:
> > Here is an article on tools and methods to use for difficult CAT-5
> > cabling. I really like the fly fishing rod and slingshot
> > methods.
> >
>
http://www.techrepublic.com/article.jhtml?id=r00320030218vgl01.htm&fromt
> m=e101-3
> >
> > Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:
> >
> > >Frank:
> > >
> > >Thanks for the heads up.  I can get CAT5 to that
> > room but it will cost
> > >$500-600 because of where it is.  :(
> > >
> > >Looks like wireless for me.
> > >
> > >Rocky
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Frank Tanner III"
> <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > >To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:29 AM
> > >Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> > lines
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>I highly recommend against this.  Most telephone
> > >>wiring in homes is CAT3 *AT BEST*.  In alot of
> > cases,
> > >>not even that good.
> > >>
> > >>Most home telephone wiring is so splices and mickey-moused
> > >>together that you will be lucky if
> > you
> > >>get any connection at all.  And if you do, it
> will
> > >>probably be spotty, at best, due to
> > electromagenetic
> > >>interferance from other devices.
> > >>
> > >>Network engineering is what I do for a living.
> > I'd go
> > >>wireless LONG before I'd trust home telco wiring
> > for
> > >>my LAN.  Myself, I strung CAT5 in my house.  But
> > >>that's because I know how to.  For most home
> users
> > >>wireless would be a perfect fit.  If you're
> > worried
> > >>about people leeching your bandwidth or
> "sniffing"
> > off
> > >>of your wireless LAN, there are ways to lock it
> > down,
> > >>simply.  Will it stop the determined leech?
> Nope.
> > >>But it would stop 90% of the leeches that are
> out
> > >>there, because most are just looking for free
> > >>bandwidth.  Not to mention, I'd think you'd
> notice
> > >>someone sitting in front of your house with a
> laptop....hehehee
> > >>
> > >>--- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>Dear List(s):
> > >>>
> > >>>Got a new computer to put into a room where we
> > can't
> > >>>reach it with CAT-5.  So I've been ready to go
> > >>>wireless, except someone suggested using the
> > phone
> > >>>lines in the house (just as a substitute wire)
> > >>>instead of wireless.  Apparently, there's a
> > device
> > >>>that will connect the NIC and the phone jack
> and
> > you
> > >>>can use the phone wires in the house for
> > networking.
> > >>>
> > >>>Sounds, easy, and cheap, and low tech.  Anyone
> > know
> > >>>about this?
> > >>>
> > >>>MTIA
> > >>>
> > >>>Rocky Smolin
> > >>>Beach Access Software
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >
> >>>>_______________________________________________
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
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> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
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>
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> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Tue May 20 10:27:10 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 16:27:10 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569DE@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>


Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but
Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:

  Dim varItem As Variant
  With Application.FileSearch
    .NewSearch
    .SearchSubFolders = True
    .FileName = "*.mdb"
    .LookIn = "G:\"
    .Execute
    'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
        strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & varItem & "'
)"
        'Debug.Print strSQL
        DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
    Next varItem
  End With

This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any date
info. But that's fine, I can live with that.

What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it (yes, I
know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but the
.FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked in any
sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky behaviour you
guys have experienced?!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
To: Roz Clarke
Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


Was curious about the code.  Standing by...

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


> The email or the code?
>
> I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out yet
> - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and 
> now have
a
> stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
>
> I'll let you know!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> did it work?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> > cheers
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with a
> > .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.
> > Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > >
> > >
> > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Roz:
> > >
> > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > >
> > > Do you have another email address that might let these go through?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector"
> > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable.
> > Find
> > > Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company
> > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > >
> > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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From papparuff at attbi.com  Tue May 20 10:28:23 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 08:28:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
	unreadable.Find Files db
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569DC@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <ACECJMOIMOPEIAHJCLCPIENNFNAA.papparuff@attbi.com>

Roz,

I provided a sample on the 19th for you.  It uses a combination of
Microsoft's Scripting Runtime and the FileSearch to get the file location
and file size.  The Scripting provides the means to get details about a
file.



John V. Ruff ? The Eternal Optimist :-)
Always Looking For Contract Opportunities

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Cell: 253.307/2947
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                and your plans will succeed.? Proverbs 16:3



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:17 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.Find Files db


Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but
Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:

  Dim varItem As Variant
  With Application.FileSearch
    .NewSearch
    .SearchSubFolders = True
    .FileName = "*.mdb"
    .LookIn = "G:\"
    .Execute
    'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
        strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & varItem & "'
)"
        'Debug.Print strSQL
        DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
    Next varItem
  End With

This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any date
info. But that's fine, I can live with that.

What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it (yes, I
know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but the
.FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked in any
sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky behaviour you
guys have experienced?!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
To: Roz Clarke
Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


Was curious about the code.  Standing by...

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


> The email or the code?
>
> I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out yet
> - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and
> now have
a
> stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
>
> I'll let you know!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> did it work?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
> Find Files db
>
>
> > cheers
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with a
> > .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.
> > Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > >
> > >
> > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Roz:
> > >
> > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > >
> > > Do you have another email address that might let these go through?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector"
> > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > unreadable.
> > Find
> > > Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company
> > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > >
> > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue May 20 10:33:46 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 08:33:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F95@infoserver01.infostat.local>

You can't use it after the *form's* AfterUpdate event because at that
point all the OldValues are the same as the current value.  You're OK
with the control's AfterUpdate event because the data hasn't actually
been written to the table yet.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Whittinghill [mailto:mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:12 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate


That's interesting, because I use OldValue with AfterUpdate all the
time, and it works just fine.

Mark Whittinghill
Symphony Information Services
612-333-1311
mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:39 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate


> OldValue is set to Value when the data stores, thus by AfterUpdate the

> OldValue data has indeed been lost.  Use BeforeUpdate to store the 
> value
to
> a variable, then compare to that variable in AfterUpdate.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur 
> Fuller
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:29 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
>
>
> >From my experiments, it appears that MyControl.OldValue is available 
> >for
> scrutiny only in the BeforeUpdate event. In the AfterUpdate event it 
> seems to be lost. I just wanted to confirm this hypothesis.
>
> The point of the exercise is that I need to keep track of which 
> columns a user has changed and then take action accordingly. I have to

> update some columns in another table depending on which columns 
> changed in the current table, but only if the update to the current 
> table was successul. I don't actually care about the old value, I'm 
> just using it to determine which columns changed. But by the time I 
> get to AfterUpdate I've lost the information.
>
> Any suggestions as to how to work around this?
>
> TIA,
> Arthur
>
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From nancy.lytle at auatac.com  Tue May 20 10:41:00 2003
From: nancy.lytle at auatac.com (Nancy Lytle)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 11:41:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
	unreadable.Find Files db
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569DC@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <OPEHJDCMPKDOHDELKBPHGEOKDLAA.nancy.lytle@auatac.com>

I ran that same code just changing the directory to C:\ and it came up with
all the mdb plus some (only a few really) that are on other drives (and
listed them mulitiple times at that, I'm not sure how it came up with the
extra ones.
It did grab ones from a sub-sub-sub folder starting with R.  I had none in a
direct sub folder so I can't answer your question directly.
N Lytle

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 11:17 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.Find Files db


Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but
Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:

  Dim varItem As Variant
  With Application.FileSearch
    .NewSearch
    .SearchSubFolders = True
    .FileName = "*.mdb"
    .LookIn = "G:\"
    .Execute
    'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
        strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & varItem & "'
)"
        'Debug.Print strSQL
        DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
    Next varItem
  End With

This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any date
info. But that's fine, I can live with that.

What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it (yes, I
know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but the
..FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked in any
sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky behaviour you
guys have experienced?!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
To: Roz Clarke
Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


Was curious about the code.  Standing by...

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


> The email or the code?
>
> I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out yet
> - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and
> now have
a
> stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
>
> I'll let you know!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> did it work?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
> Find Files db
>
>
> > cheers
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with a
> > .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.
> > Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > >
> > >
> > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Roz:
> > >
> > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > >
> > > Do you have another email address that might let these go through?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector"
> > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > unreadable.
> > Find
> > > Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company
> > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > >
> > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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From papparuff at attbi.com  Tue May 20 10:36:27 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 08:36:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569DE@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <ACECJMOIMOPEIAHJCLCPMENOFNAA.papparuff@attbi.com>

Roz,

I provided a sample on the 19th for you.  It uses a combination of
Microsoft's Scripting Runtime and the FileSearch to get the file location
and file size.  The Scripting provides the means to get details about a
file.



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Always Looking For Contract Opportunities

Home: 253.588.2139
Cell: 253.307/2947
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:27 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames



Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but
Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:

  Dim varItem As Variant
  With Application.FileSearch
    .NewSearch
    .SearchSubFolders = True
    .FileName = "*.mdb"
    .LookIn = "G:\"
    .Execute
    'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
        strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & varItem & "'
)"
        'Debug.Print strSQL
        DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
    Next varItem
  End With

This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any date
info. But that's fine, I can live with that.

What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it (yes, I
know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but the
.FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked in any
sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky behaviour you
guys have experienced?!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
To: Roz Clarke
Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


Was curious about the code.  Standing by...

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


> The email or the code?
>
> I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out yet
> - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and
> now have
a
> stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
>
> I'll let you know!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> did it work?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> > cheers
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with a
> > .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.
> > Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > >
> > >
> > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Roz:
> > >
> > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > >
> > > Do you have another email address that might let these go through?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector"
> > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > unreadable.
> > Find
> > > Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company
> > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > >
> > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Tue May 20 10:38:21 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 10:38:21 -0500
Subject: Find Files - was RE: [AccessD] RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk
	was corrupt ofunreadable.Find Files db
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F35831@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

For the archives sake, please quit using such a wacky subject line and
use a more appropriate one such as the one I have suggested.  Doesn't
anybody bother to read their messages before they hit the Send button?
<grin>

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
Sent: Tuesday 2003 May 20 10:28
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was
corrupt ofunreadable.Find Files db
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:17 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.Find Files db
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable. Find Files db
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> unreadable. Find Files db
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.
> > Find Files db
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector" 
> > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable.
> > Find
> > > Files db

From PBudge at cbsol.com  Tue May 20 10:43:14 2003
From: PBudge at cbsol.com (PBudge at cbsol.com)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 10:43:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Virus
Message-ID: <OF98FA6492.235CA47F-ON86256D2C.005644DD@cbsol.com>


Ok.  I've only had it here and other than a few internal emails, I only
really get the list on this address.  So when everybody started saying
they'd been getting it too, it seemed possible.

Thanks

Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions


                                                                                                                                               
                      "Charlotte Foust"                                                                                                        
                      <cfoust at infostatsystems.c        To:       <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>                                                
                      om>                              cc:                                                                                     
                      Sent by:                         Subject:  RE: [AccessD] Virus                                                           
                      accessd-bounces at databasea                                                                                                
                      dvisors.com                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                               
                      05/20/2003 10:08 AM                                                                                                      
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I've been getting it at work for a week or so, but I'm also getting it
at home on two different email addresses, so I don't think it's related
to the list.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: PBudge at cbsol.com [mailto:PBudge at cbsol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus



I got the exact email yesterday and again today.  Fortunately, I use
Lotus Notes here at work so didn't have any problems with it.  You
getting it too does make me wonder if it's not related to the list
though - perhaps someone else on the list is infected?  I assume that
Drew's archives don't show our email addresses.


Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions




                      "John Colby"

                      <jcolby at colbyconsulting.c        To:
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

                      om>                              cc:

                      Sent by:                         Subject:
[AccessD] Virus

                      accessd-bounces at databasea

                      dvisors.com





                      05/20/2003 09:43 AM

                      Please respond to accessd









Just a heads up for those with poor virus protection...

I just got an email "from" 'Support at Microsoft.com', Re: Approved (Ref:
3394-65467).

It had a virus in an attached file which NAV found and quarantined.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com  Tue May 20 11:43:41 2003
From: mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com (Mark Whittinghill)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 10:43:41 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F95@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <001a01c31eee$f8d898a0$0400000a@PASCAL>

Ahh... I missed the part about form AfterUpdate

Mark Whittinghill
Symphony Information Services
612-333-1311
mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:33 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate


> You can't use it after the *form's* AfterUpdate event because at that
> point all the OldValues are the same as the current value.  You're OK
> with the control's AfterUpdate event because the data hasn't actually
> been written to the table yet.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Whittinghill [mailto:mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:12 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
> 
> 
> That's interesting, because I use OldValue with AfterUpdate all the
> time, and it works just fine.
> 
> Mark Whittinghill
> Symphony Information Services
> 612-333-1311
> mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:39 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
> 
> 
> > OldValue is set to Value when the data stores, thus by AfterUpdate the
> 
> > OldValue data has indeed been lost.  Use BeforeUpdate to store the 
> > value
> to
> > a variable, then compare to that variable in AfterUpdate.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur 
> > Fuller
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:29 AM
> > To: AccessD
> > Subject: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
> >
> >
> > >From my experiments, it appears that MyControl.OldValue is available 
> > >for
> > scrutiny only in the BeforeUpdate event. In the AfterUpdate event it 
> > seems to be lost. I just wanted to confirm this hypothesis.
> >
> > The point of the exercise is that I need to keep track of which 
> > columns a user has changed and then take action accordingly. I have to
> 
> > update some columns in another table depending on which columns 
> > changed in the current table, but only if the update to the current 
> > table was successul. I don't actually care about the old value, I'm 
> > just using it to determine which columns changed. But by the time I 
> > get to AfterUpdate I've lost the information.
> >
> > Any suggestions as to how to work around this?
> >
> > TIA,
> > Arthur
> >
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Tue May 20 10:41:54 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 16:41:54 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt 
	of unreadable.Find Files db
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569E1@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Sorry John. Makes me look like an ungrateful brat... I read your mail last
night and then forgot to follow it through this morning *hangs head in
shame*

If I can get the FileSearch object to work then I'll implement your
suggestion re: scripting and that will be great :)

If I can't, well... Cleaning up these 280 databases will be even more of a
nightmare than otherwise!

Thanks for the help

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 16:28
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.Find Files db


Roz,

I provided a sample on the 19th for you.  It uses a combination of
Microsoft's Scripting Runtime and the FileSearch to get the file location
and file size.  The Scripting provides the means to get details about a
file.



John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
Always Looking For Contract Opportunities

Home: 253.588.2139
Cell: 253.307/2947
9306 Farwest Dr SW
Lakewood, WA 98498

"Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
                and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:17 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.Find Files db


Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but
Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:

  Dim varItem As Variant
  With Application.FileSearch
    .NewSearch
    .SearchSubFolders = True
    .FileName = "*.mdb"
    .LookIn = "G:\"
    .Execute
    'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
        strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & varItem & "'
)"
        'Debug.Print strSQL
        DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
    Next varItem
  End With

This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any date
info. But that's fine, I can live with that.

What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it (yes, I
know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but the
.FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked in any
sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky behaviour you
guys have experienced?!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
To: Roz Clarke
Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


Was curious about the code.  Standing by...

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


> The email or the code?
>
> I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out yet
> - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and 
> now have
a
> stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
>
> I'll let you know!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> did it work?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> > cheers
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with a 
> > .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.
> > Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > >
> > >
> > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Roz:
> > >
> > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > >
> > > Do you have another email address that might let these go through?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector" 
> > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable.
> > Find
> > > Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company 
> > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > >
> > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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From artful at rogers.com  Tue May 20 10:44:06 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 11:44:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
In-Reply-To: <00e401c31eea$80e24980$0400000a@PASCAL>
Message-ID: <008601c31ee6$a58f7720$8e01a8c0@Rock>

Interesting. I just did experiments and don't see how your stuff can work.
In AfterUpdate, I get OldValue = Value, invariably, and I've done about 20
tests. I'm using debug.print to dump the values and in BeforeUpdate they
differ but in AfterUpdate they never differ.

A.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Whittinghill
Sent: May 20, 2003 12:12 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate


That's interesting, because I use OldValue with AfterUpdate all the time,
and it works just fine.



From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Tue May 20 10:45:10 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 16:45:10 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt 
	of unreadable.Find Files db
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569E2@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

That's what's so weird. It went 4 levels deep in the directories to find
some files, but others it never even went into 1 level of sub-folders.

I had a colleague try running the code from a different machine and it
returned the same 152 files.. So at least it's *consistently* whacky... lol

-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Lytle [mailto:nancy.lytle at auatac.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 16:41
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.Find Files db


I ran that same code just changing the directory to C:\ and it came up with
all the mdb plus some (only a few really) that are on other drives (and
listed them mulitiple times at that, I'm not sure how it came up with the
extra ones. It did grab ones from a sub-sub-sub folder starting with R.  I
had none in a direct sub folder so I can't answer your question directly. N
Lytle

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 11:17 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.Find Files db


Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but
Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:

  Dim varItem As Variant
  With Application.FileSearch
    .NewSearch
    .SearchSubFolders = True
    .FileName = "*.mdb"
    .LookIn = "G:\"
    .Execute
    'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
        strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & varItem & "'
)"
        'Debug.Print strSQL
        DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
    Next varItem
  End With

This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any date
info. But that's fine, I can live with that.

What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it (yes, I
know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but the
..FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked in any
sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky behaviour you
guys have experienced?!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
To: Roz Clarke
Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


Was curious about the code.  Standing by...

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


> The email or the code?
>
> I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out yet
> - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and 
> now have
a
> stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
>
> I'll let you know!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> did it work?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> > cheers
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with a 
> > .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.
> > Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > >
> > >
> > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Roz:
> > >
> > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > >
> > > Do you have another email address that might let these go through?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector" 
> > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable.
> > Find
> > > Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company 
> > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > >
> > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Tue May 20 10:46:09 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 16:46:09 +0100
Subject: Find Files - was RE: [AccessD] RE: Your last E-Mail to donnsl
	aw.co.uk was corrupt ofunreadable.Find Files db
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569E3@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Apologies. I sent it again with a sensible subject line hoping everyone
would ignore the bizarro one and use that. No such luck!

-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 16:38
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Find Files - was RE: [AccessD] RE: Your last E-Mail to
donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt ofunreadable.Find Files db


For the archives sake, please quit using such a wacky subject line and use a
more appropriate one such as the one I have suggested.  Doesn't anybody
bother to read their messages before they hit the Send button? <grin>

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
Sent: Tuesday 2003 May 20 10:28
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt
ofunreadable.Find Files db -----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:17 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.Find Files db
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable. Find Files db
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.
> > Find Files db
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector" 
> > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable.
> > Find
> > > Files db
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue May 20 10:47:38 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 08:47:38 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C336@infoserver01.infostat.local>

That's interesting, Roz.  I just pulled your code out, changed the path
to point to a folder on my machine with mdbs in it, and got a zero for
the FoundFiles count.  And I had the same problem with Rocky's sample
database.  It has to be a setting that is causing the failures some of
us are experiencing.  Now, if we could just figure out what it is ...
:o{

Rocky, any suggestions?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:27 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames



Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but
Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:

  Dim varItem As Variant
  With Application.FileSearch
    .NewSearch
    .SearchSubFolders = True
    .FileName = "*.mdb"
    .LookIn = "G:\"
    .Execute
    'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
        strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & varItem
& "' )"
        'Debug.Print strSQL
        DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
    Next varItem
  End With

This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any
date info. But that's fine, I can live with that.

What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it
(yes, I know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but
the .FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked
in any sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky
behaviour you guys have experienced?!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
To: Roz Clarke
Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable. Find Files db


Was curious about the code.  Standing by...

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable. Find Files db


> The email or the code?
>
> I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out yet
> - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and
> now have
a
> stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
>
> I'll let you know!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> did it work?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> > cheers
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with a 
> > .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.
> > Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > >
> > >
> > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Roz:
> > >
> > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > >
> > > Do you have another email address that might let these go through?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector" 
> > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > unreadable.
> > Find
> > > Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company 
> > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > >
> > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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From mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com  Tue May 20 11:52:36 2003
From: mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com (Mark Whittinghill)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 10:52:36 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
References: <008601c31ee6$a58f7720$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <001c01c31ef0$37965810$0400000a@PASCAL>

As Charlotte pointed out, I was thinking Control.OldValue.  Unless you were
also, in which case we're back to confusion.

Mark Whittinghill
Symphony Information Services
612-333-1311
mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:44 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate


> Interesting. I just did experiments and don't see how your stuff can work.
> In AfterUpdate, I get OldValue = Value, invariably, and I've done about 20
> tests. I'm using debug.print to dump the values and in BeforeUpdate they
> differ but in AfterUpdate they never differ.
>
> A.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Whittinghill
> Sent: May 20, 2003 12:12 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
>
>
> That's interesting, because I use OldValue with AfterUpdate all the time,
> and it works just fine.
>
>
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Tue May 20 10:56:20 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 16:56:20 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569E4@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Well I'm running Office XP on WXP w/ Service Pack 1.

I can't think of any specific settings which would lead to the exclusion of
the particular databases I'm missing :(

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 16:48
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


That's interesting, Roz.  I just pulled your code out, changed the path to
point to a folder on my machine with mdbs in it, and got a zero for the
FoundFiles count.  And I had the same problem with Rocky's sample database.
It has to be a setting that is causing the failures some of us are
experiencing.  Now, if we could just figure out what it is ... :o{

Rocky, any suggestions?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:27 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames



Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but
Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:

  Dim varItem As Variant
  With Application.FileSearch
    .NewSearch
    .SearchSubFolders = True
    .FileName = "*.mdb"
    .LookIn = "G:\"
    .Execute
    'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
        strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & varItem & "'
)"
        'Debug.Print strSQL
        DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
    Next varItem
  End With

This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any date
info. But that's fine, I can live with that.

What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it (yes, I
know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but the
.FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked in any
sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky behaviour you
guys have experienced?!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
To: Roz Clarke
Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


Was curious about the code.  Standing by...

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


> The email or the code?
>
> I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out yet
> - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and 
> now have
a
> stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
>
> I'll let you know!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> did it work?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> > cheers
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with a
> > .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.
> > Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > >
> > >
> > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Roz:
> > >
> > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > >
> > > Do you have another email address that might let these go through?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector"
> > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > unreadable.
> > Find
> > > Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company
> > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > >
> > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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From kwilliam at ashlandnet.com  Tue May 20 10:59:07 2003
From: kwilliam at ashlandnet.com (Keith Williamson)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 11:59:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Virus
In-Reply-To: <OF98FA6492.235CA47F-ON86256D2C.005644DD@cbsol.com>
Message-ID: <004001c31ee8$bf0d4630$64aba8c0@ashlandnet.com>

I got it too...but knew better than to open it.  ;)  It could be from
GOD...I don't open anything unless I know what it is, first.

Keith E. Williamson
Ashland Equipment, Inc
phone # (410) 273-1856
fax #     (410) 273-1859

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of PBudge at cbsol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 11:43 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus


Ok.  I've only had it here and other than a few internal emails, I only
really get the list on this address.  So when everybody started saying
they'd been getting it too, it seemed possible.

Thanks

Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions


 

                      "Charlotte Foust"

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<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

                      om>                              cc:

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                      accessd-bounces at databasea

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                      05/20/2003 10:08 AM

                      Please respond to accessd

 

 





I've been getting it at work for a week or so, but I'm also getting it
at home on two different email addresses, so I don't think it's related
to the list.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: PBudge at cbsol.com [mailto:PBudge at cbsol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus



I got the exact email yesterday and again today.  Fortunately, I use
Lotus Notes here at work so didn't have any problems with it.  You
getting it too does make me wonder if it's not related to the list
though - perhaps someone else on the list is infected?  I assume that
Drew's archives don't show our email addresses.


Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions




                      "John Colby"

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                      accessd-bounces at databasea

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                      05/20/2003 09:43 AM

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Just a heads up for those with poor virus protection...

I just got an email "from" 'Support at Microsoft.com', Re: Approved (Ref:
3394-65467).

It had a virus in an attached file which NAV found and quarantined.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue May 20 11:09:20 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 09:09:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F97@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I'm running OXP SP-2 on WXP SP1, but I'm not getting *any* foundfiles no
matter what kind I'm searching for.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:56 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Well I'm running Office XP on WXP w/ Service Pack 1.

I can't think of any specific settings which would lead to the exclusion
of the particular databases I'm missing :(

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 16:48
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


That's interesting, Roz.  I just pulled your code out, changed the path
to point to a folder on my machine with mdbs in it, and got a zero for
the FoundFiles count.  And I had the same problem with Rocky's sample
database. It has to be a setting that is causing the failures some of us
are experiencing.  Now, if we could just figure out what it is ... :o{

Rocky, any suggestions?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:27 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames



Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but
Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:

  Dim varItem As Variant
  With Application.FileSearch
    .NewSearch
    .SearchSubFolders = True
    .FileName = "*.mdb"
    .LookIn = "G:\"
    .Execute
    'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
        strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & varItem
& "' )"
        'Debug.Print strSQL
        DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
    Next varItem
  End With

This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any
date info. But that's fine, I can live with that.

What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it
(yes, I know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but
the .FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked
in any sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky
behaviour you guys have experienced?!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
To: Roz Clarke
Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable. Find Files db


Was curious about the code.  Standing by...

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable. Find Files db


> The email or the code?
>
> I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out yet
> - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and
> now have
a
> stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
>
> I'll let you know!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> did it work?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> > cheers
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with a 
> > .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.
> > Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > >
> > >
> > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Roz:
> > >
> > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > >
> > > Do you have another email address that might let these go through?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector" 
> > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable.
> > Find
> > > Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company 
> > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > >
> > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue May 20 11:11:34 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 09:11:34 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Virus
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F98@infoserver01.infostat.local>

That's pretty much the approach I take too, although I sometimes look at
the header just for amusement.  It's kind of amusing to see
"support at microsoft.com" when the rest of the header is a mismash of
prodigy and other domains with no-name addresses.  Yeah, sure,
Microsoft sent it.  Right.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Williamson [mailto:kwilliam at ashlandnet.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus


I got it too...but knew better than to open it.  ;)  It could be from
GOD...I don't open anything unless I know what it is, first.

Keith E. Williamson
Ashland Equipment, Inc
phone # (410) 273-1856
fax #     (410) 273-1859

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
PBudge at cbsol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 11:43 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus


Ok.  I've only had it here and other than a few internal emails, I only
really get the list on this address.  So when everybody started saying
they'd been getting it too, it seemed possible.

Thanks

Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions


 

                      "Charlotte Foust"

                      <cfoust at infostatsystems.c        To:
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

                      om>                              cc:

                      Sent by:                         Subject:  RE:
[AccessD] Virus

                      accessd-bounces at databasea

                      dvisors.com

 

 

                      05/20/2003 10:08 AM

                      Please respond to accessd

 

 





I've been getting it at work for a week or so, but I'm also getting it
at home on two different email addresses, so I don't think it's related
to the list.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: PBudge at cbsol.com [mailto:PBudge at cbsol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus



I got the exact email yesterday and again today.  Fortunately, I use
Lotus Notes here at work so didn't have any problems with it.  You
getting it too does make me wonder if it's not related to the list
though - perhaps someone else on the list is infected?  I assume that
Drew's archives don't show our email addresses.


Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions




                      "John Colby"

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<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

                      om>                              cc:

                      Sent by:                         Subject:
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                      accessd-bounces at databasea

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                      05/20/2003 09:43 AM

                      Please respond to accessd









Just a heads up for those with poor virus protection...

I just got an email "from" 'Support at Microsoft.com', Re: Approved (Ref:
3394-65467).

It had a virus in an attached file which NAV found and quarantined.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue May 20 11:12:29 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 09:12:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F99@infoserver01.infostat.local>

The confusion was between Control AfterUpdate and Form AfterUpdate
events.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Whittinghill [mailto:mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:53 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate


As Charlotte pointed out, I was thinking Control.OldValue.  Unless you
were also, in which case we're back to confusion.

Mark Whittinghill
Symphony Information Services
612-333-1311
mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:44 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate


> Interesting. I just did experiments and don't see how your stuff can 
> work. In AfterUpdate, I get OldValue = Value, invariably, and I've 
> done about 20 tests. I'm using debug.print to dump the values and in 
> BeforeUpdate they differ but in AfterUpdate they never differ.
>
> A.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Whittinghill
> Sent: May 20, 2003 12:12 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
>
>
> That's interesting, because I use OldValue with AfterUpdate all the 
> time, and it works just fine.
>
>
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Tue May 20 11:13:51 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 18:13:51 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Grab filenames
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569A5@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
References:  <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569A5@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <536753218.20030520181351@cactus.dk>

Hi Roz

> Does anyone have a code snippet for pulling file search results into Access?

> What I want is to pull the filename, path & size of all files of a given
> type on a particular drive, including those in subfolders, into a table. I
> need to do it *fast*!!!

Maybe this can help you.

/gustav

---

From: "Gary Kjos" <garykjos at hotmail.com>
To: accessd at mtgroup.com
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 21:52:26 CST

Hi Mark,

I do something similarly to load a table of JPG files. I first scan to find 
all the directories using the vbDirectory parameter of the dir command, then 
save the directory name in a tblDirectoriesToScan table. Then I read that 
table and look for all the .jpg files in each directory.

Here is a snipit of the first routine that get's the directories....

    Set rst = dbs.OpenRecordset("tblDirToScan", dbOpenTable)
    rst.Index = "DirToScanPath"
    ' Returns filename with specified extension. If more than one *.ini
    ' file exists, the first file found is returned.
    MyFile = Dir(Me!txtInputPath & "\*.*", vbDirectory)
     '   MyFile = Dir(strCurrentPath & "\*.jpg")
    If MyFile <> "" Then
        Do Until MyFile = ""
            With rst
                ' Specify record to find.
                rst.Seek "=", Me!txtInputPath & "\" & MyFile
                If rst.NoMatch Then
                    .AddNew                         ' Add new record.
                    !DirToScanPath = Me!txtInputPath & "\" & MyFile         
' Add data.
                    .Update                         ' Save changes.
                    lngAddCount = lngAddCount + 1
                Else
                    lngSkipDup = lngSkipDup + 1
                End If
            End With
            MyFile = Dir
        Loop
    End If
    rst.close

And here is the guts of the code to get the filenames;

    Set rst = dbs.OpenRecordset("tblPicture", dbOpenTable)
    rst.Index = "Picture"
    ' Returns filename with specified extension. If more than one *.ini
    ' file exists, the first file found is returned.
    Do Until rsdir.EOF
        strCurrentPath = rsdir!DirToScanPath
        Me!txtCurrentDir = strCurrentPath
        Me.Repaint
        MyFile = Dir(strCurrentPath & "\*.jpg")
        If MyFile <> "" Then
            Do Until MyFile = ""
                With rst
                    ' Specify record to find.
                    rst.Seek "=", strCurrentPath & "\" & MyFile
                    If rst.NoMatch Then
                        .AddNew                         ' Add new record.
                        !Picture = strCurrentPath & "\" & MyFile         ' 
Add data.
                        !FileName = MyFile
                        !FilePath = strCurrentPath
                        !FileSize = FileLen(strCurrentPath & "\" & MyFile)   
  ' Returns file length (bytes).
                        !FileDate = FileDateTime(strCurrentPath & "\" & 
MyFile)
                        .Update                         ' Save changes.
                        lngAddCount = lngAddCount + 1
                    Else
                        lngSkipDup = lngSkipDup + 1
                    End If
                End With
                MyFile = Dir
            Loop
        End If
        rsdir.MoveNext
    Loop
    rst.close

Good luck, hope this helps.

Gary
garykjos at hotmail.com


>From: "Mark A Matte" <markamatte at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: accessd at mtgroup.com
>To: accessd at mtgroup.com
>Subject: [accessd]Find Files...
>Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 21:29:51 GMT
>
>Hello All,
>
>In Access97 I am trying to pull a list of .mdb files with their name,size,
>location, and last modified on a 'Shared Drive'...I am using the 'Dir'
>function in a loop...but I can't get it to look into each folder.  I am
>looking for the same information you would get if you select
>"MicrosoftAccessDatabase" on the advanced tab in the "Find Files/Folders" 
>on
>the start menu, but I need it in a printable version.  I'm not even sure I
>am heading in the right direction...it seems there would be an easy way to
>get what I am looking for...but...I am missing it.  Any Ideas?
>
>Thanks Again,
>Mark A. Matte


From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Tue May 20 11:22:08 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 11:22:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Virus
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F87825@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Anybody at least half-awake knows that only M$ Marketing sends out
unsolicited e-mails.  M$ Support never does.  Some people should not go
near their e-mail until they are sober, wide awake and have their brain
turned on. <grin>  For some, that means they never should try to read
their e-mail. <VBG>

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us


-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: Tuesday 2003 May 20 11:12
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus


That's pretty much the approach I take too, although I sometimes look at
the header just for amusement.  It's kind of amusing to see
"support at microsoft.com" when the rest of the header is a mismash of
prodigy and other domains with no-name addresses.  Yeah, sure, Microsoft
sent it.  Right.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Williamson [mailto:kwilliam at ashlandnet.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus


I got it too...but knew better than to open it.  ;)  It could be from
GOD...I don't open anything unless I know what it is, first.

Keith E. Williamson
Ashland Equipment, Inc
phone # (410) 273-1856
fax #     (410) 273-1859

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
PBudge at cbsol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 11:43 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus


Ok.  I've only had it here and other than a few internal emails, I only
really get the list on this address.  So when everybody started saying
they'd been getting it too, it seemed possible.

Thanks

Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions

From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue May 20 11:52:09 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 09:52:09 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C336@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <00c601c31ef0$27bd5650$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

I've got a couple of references checked which you may not have although it
should fail to compile without them?

Windows Script Host Object Model
VBA Extensibility 5.3
OLE Automation
Office 9.0 Object Library
DAO 3.6 Object Library
Access 9.0 Object Library
VB for A

Is varPicturePath returning the right value?

It's also set up to retrieve only files with .jpg extension.

    .FileName = "*.jpg"


Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:47 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


> That's interesting, Roz.  I just pulled your code out, changed the path
> to point to a folder on my machine with mdbs in it, and got a zero for
> the FoundFiles count.  And I had the same problem with Rocky's sample
> database.  It has to be a setting that is causing the failures some of
> us are experiencing.  Now, if we could just figure out what it is ...
> :o{
>
> Rocky, any suggestions?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:27 AM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
>
> Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but
> Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:
>
>   Dim varItem As Variant
>   With Application.FileSearch
>     .NewSearch
>     .SearchSubFolders = True
>     .FileName = "*.mdb"
>     .LookIn = "G:\"
>     .Execute
>     'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
>     DoCmd.SetWarnings False
>     For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
>         strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & varItem
> & "' )"
>         'Debug.Print strSQL
>         DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
>     Next varItem
>   End With
>
> This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any
> date info. But that's fine, I can live with that.
>
> What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it
> (yes, I know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but
> the .FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked
> in any sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky
> behaviour you guys have experienced?!
>
> Roz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> Was curious about the code.  Standing by...
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> > The email or the code?
> >
> > I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out yet
> > - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and
> > now have
> a
> > stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
> >
> > I'll let you know!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > did it work?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > cheers
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with a
> > > .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable.
> > > Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Roz:
> > > >
> > > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > > >
> > > > Do you have another email address that might let these go through?
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector"
> > > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > > unreadable.
> > > Find
> > > > Files db
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company
> > > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > > >
> > > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue May 20 11:52:45 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 09:52:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
References: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569E4@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <00cc01c31ef0$3cb42890$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Roz:

Did you change the line which limits the retrieved files to .jpg extensions?

    .FileName = "*.jpg"

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:56 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


> Well I'm running Office XP on WXP w/ Service Pack 1.
>
> I can't think of any specific settings which would lead to the exclusion
of
> the particular databases I'm missing :(
>
> Roz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 16:48
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
> That's interesting, Roz.  I just pulled your code out, changed the path to
> point to a folder on my machine with mdbs in it, and got a zero for the
> FoundFiles count.  And I had the same problem with Rocky's sample
database.
> It has to be a setting that is causing the failures some of us are
> experiencing.  Now, if we could just figure out what it is ... :o{
>
> Rocky, any suggestions?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:27 AM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
>
> Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but
> Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:
>
>   Dim varItem As Variant
>   With Application.FileSearch
>     .NewSearch
>     .SearchSubFolders = True
>     .FileName = "*.mdb"
>     .LookIn = "G:\"
>     .Execute
>     'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
>     DoCmd.SetWarnings False
>     For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
>         strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & varItem &
"'
> )"
>         'Debug.Print strSQL
>         DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
>     Next varItem
>   End With
>
> This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any date
> info. But that's fine, I can live with that.
>
> What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it (yes,
I
> know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but the
> .FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked in any
> sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky behaviour you
> guys have experienced?!
>
> Roz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
> Find Files db
>
>
> Was curious about the code.  Standing by...
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
> Find Files db
>
>
> > The email or the code?
> >
> > I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out yet
> > - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and
> > now have
> a
> > stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
> >
> > I'll let you know!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > did it work?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > cheers
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with a
> > > .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable.
> > > Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Roz:
> > > >
> > > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > > >
> > > > Do you have another email address that might let these go through?
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector"
> > > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > > unreadable.
> > > Find
> > > > Files db
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company
> > > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > > >
> > > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Tue May 20 12:01:59 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 13:01:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Revert command
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85C1F@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Did anyone else get an Access tip from ElementK today re: Restoring the last saved version of a form or report?  The tip claims there's a command in the File menu (File | Revert) that's available in all versions of Access.  I don't see it in A97.  Am I missing something or was this added in >=A2K?

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


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From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca  Tue May 20 12:09:35 2003
From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 13:09:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Revert command
Message-ID: <seca2919.019@cbc.ca>

Jim,

In A2K it only show up when a  form is in design mode. It's greyed out until you actually make a change to the form, then it becomes available.

I don't have A97 here to check.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

>>> Jdemarco at hshhp.org 20-May-03 1:01:59 PM >>>
Did anyone else get an Access tip from ElementK today re: Restoring the last saved version of a form or report?  The tip claims there's a command in the File menu (File | Revert) that's available in all versions of Access.  I don't see it in A97.  Am I missing something or was this added in >=A2K?

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


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From papparuff at attbi.com  Tue May 20 12:11:06 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 10:11:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569E4@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <ACECJMOIMOPEIAHJCLCPAEOGFNAA.papparuff@attbi.com>

Here's code that I tested and it seems to be working.  I have a table called
tbl_Files in which I want to place the name of the database found, the
directory it is located, it's size, when it was created, when it was last
modified, and when it was last accessed.

Private Sub cmdFileObject_Click()
' Provides the user Path, File Name,
' and File Size
' Insure there is a reference to the
' Microsoft Scripting Runtime
' Access 2000/2002
    On Error GoTo cmdFileObject_ERR

    Dim rst As ADODB.Command
    Dim fso As FileSystemObject
    Dim f1 As File
    Dim strFilePath As String
    Dim strFileName As String
    Dim strFileSize As String
    Dim datDateCreated As Date
    Dim datDateModified As Date
    Dim datDateAccessed As Date
    Dim I As Double

    Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
    Set rst = New ADODB.Command

    DoCmd.Hourglass True
    ' Create a recordset
    With rst
        .ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection
        .CommandType = adCmdText
        ' Create the SQL to delete any records in the table tbl_Files
        .CommandText = "DELETE * FROM tbl_Files"
        ' Delete the records
        .Execute
    End With

    With Application.FileSearch
        .NewSearch

	  ' There are over 50 subfolders where the databases reside
	  ' in this My work directory.
        .LookIn = "D:\Documents and Settings\John\My Documents\My Work"

        ' I want to search for all files that have .mda, .mdb, .mde
        ' and .ldb in their name.  Place a semicolon between each
        ' file type so that the FilesSearch will search all that
        ' you have specified
        .FileName = "*.mda; *.mdb; *.mde; *.ldb"

        .MatchTextExactly = False

	  ' FileType not required if you are using .FileName
	  ' with an extension
 '       .FileType = msoFileTypeAllFiles

	  ' Search all subfolders of My Work
        .SearchSubFolders = True

        If .Execute() > 0 Then
            For I = 1 To .FoundFiles.Count

                Set f1 = fso.GetFile(.FoundFiles(I))

                strFilePath = f1.ParentFolder
                strFileName = f1.Name
                strFileSize = f1.Size / 1000 ' Convert to KB
                datDateCreated = f1.DateCreated
                datDateModified = f1.DateLastModified
                datDateAccessed = f1.DateLastAccessed

                DoEvents

                ' SQL statement to insert the data into the tbl_Files table
                rst.CommandText = "INSERT INTO tbl_Files " & _
                        "(FilePath, FileName, FileSize, DateCreated, " & _
                        "DateLastModified, DateLastAccessed) " & _
                        "SELECT '" & _
                        strFilePath & "', '" & _
                        strFileName & " ', " & _
                        strFileSize & ", #" & _
                        datDateCreated & "#, #" & _
                        datDateModified & "#, #" & _
                        datDateAccessed & "#"
                ' Insert the record
                rst.Execute
           Next I
            MsgBox "Done. " & .FoundFiles.Count & " Records were added"
        Else
            MsgBox "No Files Found"
        End If
    End With


cmdFileObject_EXIT:

    On Error Resume Next
    DoCmd.Hourglass False
    Set rst = Nothing
    Exit Sub

cmdFileObject_ERR:

    If Err.Number = 70 Then ' Permission denied
        Resume Next
    End If
    MsgBox Error$

End Sub

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:56 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Well I'm running Office XP on WXP w/ Service Pack 1.

I can't think of any specific settings which would lead to the exclusion of
the particular databases I'm missing :(

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: 20 May 2003 16:48
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


That's interesting, Roz.  I just pulled your code out, changed the path to
point to a folder on my machine with mdbs in it, and got a zero for the
FoundFiles count.  And I had the same problem with Rocky's sample database.
It has to be a setting that is causing the failures some of us are
experiencing.  Now, if we could just figure out what it is ... :o{

Rocky, any suggestions?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:27 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames



Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but
Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:

  Dim varItem As Variant
  With Application.FileSearch
    .NewSearch
    .SearchSubFolders = True
    .FileName = "*.mdb"
    .LookIn = "G:\"
    .Execute
    'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
        strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & varItem & "'
)"
        'Debug.Print strSQL
        DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
    Next varItem
  End With

This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any date
info. But that's fine, I can live with that.

What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it (yes, I
know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but the
.FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked in any
sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky behaviour you
guys have experienced?!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
To: Roz Clarke
Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


Was curious about the code.  Standing by...

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


> The email or the code?
>
> I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out yet
> - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and
> now have
a
> stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
>
> I'll let you know!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> did it work?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> > cheers
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with a
> > .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.
> > Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > >
> > >
> > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Roz:
> > >
> > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > >
> > > Do you have another email address that might let these go through?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector"
> > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > unreadable.
> > Find
> > > Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company
> > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > >
> > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Tue May 20 12:24:52 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 13:24:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Revert command
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85C20@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

I checked A97 in design mode after making changes.  I don't see it there.  I checked View | Toolbars | Customize to see if it was hidden away somewhere but I don't see it there either.  A search of Help turns up nothing as well.  I believe their tip was mistaken.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Revert command


Jim,

In A2K it only show up when a  form is in design mode. It's greyed out until you actually make a change to the form, then it becomes available.

I don't have A97 here to check.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

>>> Jdemarco at hshhp.org 20-May-03 1:01:59 PM >>>
Did anyone else get an Access tip from ElementK today re: Restoring the last saved version of a form or report?  The tip claims there's a command in the File menu (File | Revert) that's available in all versions of Access.  I don't see it in A97.  Am I missing something or was this added in >=A2K?

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


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From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca  Tue May 20 12:58:54 2003
From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 13:58:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Revert command
Message-ID: <seca34ac.003@cbc.ca>

Sure sounds like it then.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

>>> Jdemarco at hshhp.org 20-May-03 1:24:52 PM >>>
I checked A97 in design mode after making changes.  I don't see it there.  I checked View | Toolbars | Customize to see if it was hidden away somewhere but I don't see it there either.  A search of Help turns up nothing as well.  I believe their tip was mistaken.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Revert command


Jim,

In A2K it only show up when a  form is in design mode. It's greyed out until you actually make a change to the form, then it becomes available.

I don't have A97 here to check.



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue May 20 13:00:53 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 11:00:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C337@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I'm running OXP and I don't even find the Extensibility in my list of
references, but it shouldn't make any difference.  How annoying,
especially since I know I've used this in the past with A2k.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:52 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


I've got a couple of references checked which you may not have although
it should fail to compile without them?

Windows Script Host Object Model
VBA Extensibility 5.3
OLE Automation
Office 9.0 Object Library
DAO 3.6 Object Library
Access 9.0 Object Library
VB for A

Is varPicturePath returning the right value?

It's also set up to retrieve only files with .jpg extension.

    .FileName = "*.jpg"


Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:47 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


> That's interesting, Roz.  I just pulled your code out, changed the 
> path to point to a folder on my machine with mdbs in it, and got a 
> zero for the FoundFiles count.  And I had the same problem with 
> Rocky's sample database.  It has to be a setting that is causing the 
> failures some of us are experiencing.  Now, if we could just figure 
> out what it is ... :o{
>
> Rocky, any suggestions?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:27 AM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
>
> Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but 
> Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:
>
>   Dim varItem As Variant
>   With Application.FileSearch
>     .NewSearch
>     .SearchSubFolders = True
>     .FileName = "*.mdb"
>     .LookIn = "G:\"
>     .Execute
>     'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
>     DoCmd.SetWarnings False
>     For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
>         strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & 
> varItem & "' )"
>         'Debug.Print strSQL
>         DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
>     Next varItem
>   End With
>
> This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any 
> date info. But that's fine, I can live with that.
>
> What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it 
> (yes, I know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) 
> but the .FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have 
> looked in any sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of 
> whacky behaviour you guys have experienced?!
>
> Roz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> Was curious about the code.  Standing by...
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> > The email or the code?
> >
> > I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out 
> > yet
> > - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and
> > now have
> a
> > stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
> >
> > I'll let you know!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > did it work?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > cheers
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with 
> > > a .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable.
> > > Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Roz:
> > > >
> > > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > > >
> > > > Do you have another email address that might let these go 
> > > > through?
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector" 
> > > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > > unreadable.
> > > Find
> > > > Files db
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company 
> > > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > > >
> > > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue May 20 13:03:32 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 11:03:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Virus
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F9B@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Does *any* support domain send out unsolicited emails?  Certainly none
I've ever dealt with, although I think the Dell "active support", or
whatever they call it, comes perilously close.  Besides, MS always sends
stuff with all flags flying, never just generic, vanilla email.  That in
itself is a tipoff.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus


Anybody at least half-awake knows that only M$ Marketing sends out
unsolicited e-mails.  M$ Support never does.  Some people should not go
near their e-mail until they are sober, wide awake and have their brain
turned on. <grin>  For some, that means they never should try to read
their e-mail. <VBG>

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us


-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: Tuesday 2003 May 20 11:12
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus


That's pretty much the approach I take too, although I sometimes look at
the header just for amusement.  It's kind of amusing to see
"support at microsoft.com" when the rest of the header is a mismash of
prodigy and other domains with no-name addresses.  Yeah, sure, Microsoft
sent it.  Right.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Williamson [mailto:kwilliam at ashlandnet.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus


I got it too...but knew better than to open it.  ;)  It could be from
GOD...I don't open anything unless I know what it is, first.

Keith E. Williamson
Ashland Equipment, Inc
phone # (410) 273-1856
fax #     (410) 273-1859

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
PBudge at cbsol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 11:43 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus


Ok.  I've only had it here and other than a few internal emails, I only
really get the list on this address.  So when everybody started saying
they'd been getting it too, it seemed possible.

Thanks

Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue May 20 13:05:12 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 11:05:12 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Revert command
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F9C@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Maybe they meant all "current" versions! <VBG> There definitely was no
such critter before A2k.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:25 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Revert command


I checked A97 in design mode after making changes.  I don't see it
there.  I checked View | Toolbars | Customize to see if it was hidden
away somewhere but I don't see it there either.  A search of Help turns
up nothing as well.  I believe their tip was mistaken.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Revert command


Jim,

In A2K it only show up when a  form is in design mode. It's greyed out
until you actually make a change to the form, then it becomes available.

I don't have A97 here to check.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

>>> Jdemarco at hshhp.org 20-May-03 1:01:59 PM >>>
Did anyone else get an Access tip from ElementK today re: Restoring the
last saved version of a form or report?  The tip claims there's a
command in the File menu (File | Revert) that's available in all
versions of Access.  I don't see it in A97.  Am I missing something or
was this added in >=A2K?

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Tue May 20 13:11:43 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 14:11:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Revert command
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85C22@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

<quote>
Even if you're using an older version of Access, there is 
a way to undo all changes...
</quote>

Their words exactly (exactly incorrect that is!)

Jim DeMarco



-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 2:05 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Revert command


Maybe they meant all "current" versions! <VBG> There definitely was no
such critter before A2k.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:25 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Revert command


I checked A97 in design mode after making changes.  I don't see it
there.  I checked View | Toolbars | Customize to see if it was hidden
away somewhere but I don't see it there either.  A search of Help turns
up nothing as well.  I believe their tip was mistaken.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Revert command


Jim,

In A2K it only show up when a  form is in design mode. It's greyed out
until you actually make a change to the form, then it becomes available.

I don't have A97 here to check.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

>>> Jdemarco at hshhp.org 20-May-03 1:01:59 PM >>>
Did anyone else get an Access tip from ElementK today re: Restoring the
last saved version of a form or report?  The tip claims there's a
command in the File menu (File | Revert) that's available in all
versions of Access.  I don't see it in A97.  Am I missing something or
was this added in >=A2K?

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


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From jjwrite at earthlink.net  Tue May 20 13:18:57 2003
From: jjwrite at earthlink.net (Judy Johnson)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 14:18:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Delete Record Problem
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue May 20 13:25:58 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 11:25:58 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Delete Record Problem
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F9F@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Since I don't know what else the code was trying to do, I won't guess,
but if you delete a record, unless it's the last record, does it matter
which one you wind up on?  Have you tried just commenting out that line?
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Judy Johnson [mailto:jjwrite at earthlink.net] 
	Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:19 AM
	To: AccessD
	Subject: [AccessD] Delete Record Problem
	
	

	
	Charlotte - I added your code as you explained and set the focus
to one of my data entry fields on the form and it deleted great. The
next instruction in the delete routine was DoCmd GoTo Record,,acnext
However!! now I get No Current Record error, no matter what I attempt to
do. I can't move to another record on my form. I've even closed Access
and opened it up again but to no avail.
	 
	Thanks.
	 
	Judy Johnson
	jjwrite at earthlink.net
	860-482-8651
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Tue May 20 13:26:52 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 11:26:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C337@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <016401c31efd$629b2600$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Just got an email from another list member to whom I sent a copy and he
reports that it works straight up.  Don't know what Access version or OS
he's using.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 11:00 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


> I'm running OXP and I don't even find the Extensibility in my list of
> references, but it shouldn't make any difference.  How annoying,
> especially since I know I've used this in the past with A2k.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:52 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
> I've got a couple of references checked which you may not have although
> it should fail to compile without them?
>
> Windows Script Host Object Model
> VBA Extensibility 5.3
> OLE Automation
> Office 9.0 Object Library
> DAO 3.6 Object Library
> Access 9.0 Object Library
> VB for A
>
> Is varPicturePath returning the right value?
>
> It's also set up to retrieve only files with .jpg extension.
>
>     .FileName = "*.jpg"
>
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:47 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
> > That's interesting, Roz.  I just pulled your code out, changed the
> > path to point to a folder on my machine with mdbs in it, and got a
> > zero for the FoundFiles count.  And I had the same problem with
> > Rocky's sample database.  It has to be a setting that is causing the
> > failures some of us are experiencing.  Now, if we could just figure
> > out what it is ... :o{
> >
> > Rocky, any suggestions?
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:27 AM
> > To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> > Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
> >
> >
> >
> > Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but
> > Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:
> >
> >   Dim varItem As Variant
> >   With Application.FileSearch
> >     .NewSearch
> >     .SearchSubFolders = True
> >     .FileName = "*.mdb"
> >     .LookIn = "G:\"
> >     .Execute
> >     'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
> >     DoCmd.SetWarnings False
> >     For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
> >         strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" &
> > varItem & "' )"
> >         'Debug.Print strSQL
> >         DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
> >     Next varItem
> >   End With
> >
> > This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any
> > date info. But that's fine, I can live with that.
> >
> > What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it
> > (yes, I know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise)
> > but the .FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have
> > looked in any sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of
> > whacky behaviour you guys have experienced?!
> >
> > Roz
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > Was curious about the code.  Standing by...
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > The email or the code?
> > >
> > > I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out
> > > yet
> > > - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and
> > > now have
> > a
> > > stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
> > >
> > > I'll let you know!
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > did it work?
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> > > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > cheers
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with
> > > > a .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > > > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > unreadable.
> > > > Find Files db
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Roz:
> > > > >
> > > > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you have another email address that might let these go
> > > > > through?
> > > > >
> > > > > Rocky
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector"
> > > > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > > > unreadable.
> > > > Find
> > > > > Files db
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company
> > > > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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From Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK  Tue May 20 13:36:23 2003
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK (Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 19:36:23 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT Test
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F9F@infoserver01.infostat.local>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F9F@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <1053455782.3eca75a703117@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

Its 8pm

From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Tue May 20 13:54:42 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 13:54:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Revert command
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F87827@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Jim,

Of course they are correct.  You always have a daily or hourly backup
copy of whatever you are working on so you can go back to where you were
yesterday or last hour! <grin>

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org] 
Sent: Tuesday 2003 May 20 13:12
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Revert command

<quote>
Even if you're using an older version of Access, there is 
a way to undo all changes...
</quote>

Their words exactly (exactly incorrect that is!)

Jim DeMarco



-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 2:05 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Revert command


Maybe they meant all "current" versions! <VBG> There definitely was no
such critter before A2k.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:25 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Revert command


I checked A97 in design mode after making changes.  I don't see it
there.  I checked View | Toolbars | Customize to see if it was hidden
away somewhere but I don't see it there either.  A search of Help turns
up nothing as well.  I believe their tip was mistaken.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Revert command


Jim,

In A2K it only show up when a  form is in design mode. It's greyed out
until you actually make a change to the form, then it becomes available.

I don't have A97 here to check.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

>>> Jdemarco at hshhp.org 20-May-03 1:01:59 PM >>>
Did anyone else get an Access tip from ElementK today re: Restoring the
last saved version of a form or report?  The tip claims there's a
command in the File menu (File | Revert) that's available in all
versions of Access.  I don't see it in A97.  Am I missing something or
was this added in >=A2K?

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan

From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue May 20 13:54:25 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 19:54:25 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT Test
In-Reply-To: <1053455782.3eca75a703117@hosea.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <018301c31f01$3c069ac0$b274d0d5@andypc>

Well almost.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mwp.Reid at queens-belfast.ac.uk
> Sent: 20 May 2003 19:36
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT Test
> 
> 
> Its 8pm
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue May 20 13:59:08 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 13:59:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
In-Reply-To: <008601c31ee6$a58f7720$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <000201c31f01$e7a93400$de1811d8@DanWaters>

For a control, I also use .OldValue in the AfterUpdate event and it works as
expected.  However, if the record is saved, the .OldValue becomes equal to
the current value.  This is on a bound form, perhaps that makes a
difference.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:44 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate


Interesting. I just did experiments and don't see how your stuff can work.
In AfterUpdate, I get OldValue = Value, invariably, and I've done about 20
tests. I'm using debug.print to dump the values and in BeforeUpdate they
differ but in AfterUpdate they never differ.

A.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Whittinghill
Sent: May 20, 2003 12:12 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate


That's interesting, because I use OldValue with AfterUpdate all the time,
and it works just fine.


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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue May 20 13:58:41 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 19:58:41 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Revert command
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85C22@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <018501c31f01$d5c39960$b274d0d5@andypc>

Yea well undoing all changes is easy. It's called not saving. :-(

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: 20 May 2003 19:12
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Revert command
> 
> 
> <quote>
> Even if you're using an older version of Access, there is 
> a way to undo all changes...
> </quote>
> 
> Their words exactly (exactly incorrect that is!)
> 
> Jim DeMarco
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 2:05 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Revert command
> 
> 
> Maybe they meant all "current" versions! <VBG> There 
> definitely was no such critter before A2k.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org] 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:25 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Revert command
> 
> 
> I checked A97 in design mode after making changes.  I don't 
> see it there.  I checked View | Toolbars | Customize to see 
> if it was hidden away somewhere but I don't see it there 
> either.  A search of Help turns up nothing as well.  I 
> believe their tip was mistaken.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jim DeMarco
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:10 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Revert command
> 
> 
> Jim,
> 
> In A2K it only show up when a  form is in design mode. It's 
> greyed out until you actually make a change to the form, then 
> it becomes available.
> 
> I don't have A97 here to check.
> 
> Bryan Carbonnell
> bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca
> 
> >>> Jdemarco at hshhp.org 20-May-03 1:01:59 PM >>>
> Did anyone else get an Access tip from ElementK today re: 
> Restoring the last saved version of a form or report?  The 
> tip claims there's a command in the File menu (File | Revert) 
> that's available in all versions of Access.  I don't see it 
> in A97.  Am I missing something or was this added in >=A2K?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jim DeMarco
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue May 20 14:03:28 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 20:03:28 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
In-Reply-To: <000201c31f01$e7a93400$de1811d8@DanWaters>
Message-ID: <018701c31f02$7f692a20$b274d0d5@andypc>

IIRC Oldvalue only works at all on bound controls.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
> Sent: 20 May 2003 19:59
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
> 
> 
> For a control, I also use .OldValue in the AfterUpdate event 
> and it works as expected.  However, if the record is saved, 
> the .OldValue becomes equal to the current value.  This is on 
> a bound form, perhaps that makes a difference.
> 
> Dan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:44 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
> 
> 
> Interesting. I just did experiments and don't see how your 
> stuff can work. In AfterUpdate, I get OldValue = Value, 
> invariably, and I've done about 20 tests. I'm using 
> debug.print to dump the values and in BeforeUpdate they 
> differ but in AfterUpdate they never differ.
> 
> A.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mark Whittinghill
> Sent: May 20, 2003 12:12 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
> 
> 
> That's interesting, because I use OldValue with AfterUpdate 
> all the time, and it works just fine.
> 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue May 20 14:10:01 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 14:10:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C67@main2.marlow.com>

What kind of 'interface' are you looking for?
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:53 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples



Hi all 

Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a discussion about interface
design, and someone was hosting a gallery of different interfaces that had
been done with Access?

Does anybody know if it's still there, where it was, and whether there are
any other good resources out there? 

TIA 

Roz 

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From Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK  Tue May 20 14:08:36 2003
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK (Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 20:08:36 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT Test
In-Reply-To: <018301c31f01$3c069ac0$b274d0d5@andypc>
References: <018301c31f01$3c069ac0$b274d0d5@andypc>
Message-ID: <1053457716.3eca7d34ab9bc@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

Still havnt seen my post Andy

Martin




Quoting Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>:

> Well almost.
> 
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> > Mwp.Reid at queens-belfast.ac.uk
> > Sent: 20 May 2003 19:36
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT Test
> > 
> > 
> > Its 8pm
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue May 20 14:26:33 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 20:26:33 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT Test
In-Reply-To: <1053457716.3eca7d34ab9bc@hosea.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <018f01c31f05$b9435100$b274d0d5@andypc>

As you'll have guessed, I have. And yet you've seen mine so I imagine
it's just a timing thing.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mwp.Reid at queens-belfast.ac.uk
> Sent: 20 May 2003 20:09
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT Test
> 
> 
> Still havnt seen my post Andy
> 
> Martin
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Quoting Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>:
> 
> > Well almost.
> > 
> > Andy Lacey
> > http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> > > Mwp.Reid at queens-belfast.ac.uk
> > > Sent: 20 May 2003 19:36
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: [AccessD] OT Test
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Its 8pm
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From delliker at hotmail.com  Tue May 20 14:29:44 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 15:29:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SelHeight returns zero?
Message-ID: <Law12-F277vS2q2R1n500002be7@hotmail.com>

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From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca  Tue May 20 14:34:34 2003
From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 15:34:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT Test
Message-ID: <seca4b0e.013@cbc.ca>

Do you see ANY of your posts?

If not, it may be a setting in your subscription that has changed.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

>>> Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK 20-May-03 3:08:36 PM >>>
Still havnt seen my post Andy

Martin




From Philippe.Pons19 at wanadoo.fr  Tue May 20 14:44:50 2003
From: Philippe.Pons19 at wanadoo.fr (Philippe PONS)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 21:44:50 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] TreeView: How to preserve the focus on selected node?
Message-ID: <001501c31f08$47786da0$ac3e3351@linceo2nddisk>

Hi,

I use the TreeView control quite extensively, but the one used by the Windows Explorer has a feature that Access TreeView has not.
When you select a folder, it gets highlighted, and even if you select a file, it remains highlighted.(or semi highlighted)
With the Access treeview, has soon as you select a different control, e.g a text zone, it looses the focus.
Do you know of any trick or workaround that could provide the same effect?
TIA,
Philippe.
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From ad_tp at hotmail.com  Tue May 20 15:10:01 2003
From: ad_tp at hotmail.com (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 01:40:01 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C337@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <Law9-OE49bYkUlIBZyZ00014704@hotmail.com>

    I have tried Rocky's application(FS_A) as well as John's code(FS_B). Both are working fine.

    FS_A is a sweet finished application with built in Folder browsing whereas this feature can be suitably added to FS_B.

    On the other hand, FS_B gets much more information about the files and also covers subfolders.

    Note - It has to be ensured that following References are available amongst others -
    (a) Microsoft Scripting Runtime
    (b) Microsoft Office 10 (Or 9) Object Library

    Thanks to you both - John , Rocky.

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Charlotte Foust 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 23:30
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


  I'm running OXP and I don't even find the Extensibility in my list of
  references, but it shouldn't make any difference.  How annoying,
  especially since I know I've used this in the past with A2k.

  Charlotte Foust

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:52 AM
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


  I've got a couple of references checked which you may not have although
  it should fail to compile without them?

  Windows Script Host Object Model
  VBA Extensibility 5.3
  OLE Automation
  Office 9.0 Object Library
  DAO 3.6 Object Library
  Access 9.0 Object Library
  VB for A

  Is varPicturePath returning the right value?

  It's also set up to retrieve only files with .jpg extension.

      .FileName = "*.jpg"


  Rocky

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
  To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:47 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


  > That's interesting, Roz.  I just pulled your code out, changed the 
  > path to point to a folder on my machine with mdbs in it, and got a 
  > zero for the FoundFiles count.  And I had the same problem with 
  > Rocky's sample database.  It has to be a setting that is causing the 
  > failures some of us are experiencing.  Now, if we could just figure 
  > out what it is ... :o{
  >
  > Rocky, any suggestions?
  >
  > Charlotte Foust
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
  > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:27 AM
  > To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
  > Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
  >
  >
  >
  > Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but 
  > Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:
  >
  >   Dim varItem As Variant
  >   With Application.FileSearch
  >     .NewSearch
  >     .SearchSubFolders = True
  >     .FileName = "*.mdb"
  >     .LookIn = "G:\"
  >     .Execute
  >     'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
  >     DoCmd.SetWarnings False
  >     For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
  >         strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & 
  > varItem & "' )"
  >         'Debug.Print strSQL
  >         DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
  >     Next varItem
  >   End With
  >
  > This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any 
  > date info. But that's fine, I can live with that.
  >
  > What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it 
  > (yes, I know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) 
  > but the .FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have 
  > looked in any sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of 
  > whacky behaviour you guys have experienced?!
  >
  > Roz
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
  > Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
  > To: Roz Clarke
  > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
  > unreadable. Find Files db
  >
  >
  > Was curious about the code.  Standing by...
  >
  > Rocky
  >
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
  > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
  > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
  > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
  > unreadable. Find Files db
  >
  >
  > > The email or the code?
  > >
  > > I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out 
  > > yet
  > > - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and
  > > now have
  > a
  > > stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
  > >
  > > I'll let you know!
  > >
  > > -----Original Message-----
  > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
  > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
  > > Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
  > > To: Roz Clarke
  > > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
  > > unreadable. Find Files db
  > >
  > >
  > > did it work?
  > >
  > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
  > > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
  > > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
  > > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
  > > unreadable. Find Files db
  > >
  > >
  > > > cheers
  > > >
  > > > -----Original Message-----
  > > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
  > > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
  > > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
  > > > To: Roz Clarke
  > > > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
  > > > unreadable. Find Files db
  > > >
  > > >
  > > > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with 
  > > > a .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
  > > >
  > > > Rocky
  > > >
  > > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
  > > > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
  > > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
  > > > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
  > unreadable.
  > > > Find Files db
  > > >
  > > >
  > > > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
  > > > >
  > > > >
  > > > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
  > > > >
  > > > > -----Original Message-----
  > > > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
  > > > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
  > > > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
  > > > > To: Roz Clarke
  > > > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
  > > > > unreadable. Find Files db
  > > > >
  > > > >
  > > > > Roz:
  > > > >
  > > > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
  > > > >
  > > > > Do you have another email address that might let these go 
  > > > > through?
  > > > >
  > > > > Rocky
  > > > >
  > > > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector" 
  > > > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
  > > > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
  > > > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
  > > > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
  > > > > unreadable.
  > > > Find
  > > > > Files db
  > > > >
  > > > >
  > > > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company 
  > > > > > electronic communications policy.
  > > > > >
  > > > > >
  > > > > >
  > > > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
  > > > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
  > > > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
  > > > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
  > > > > >
  > > > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue May 20 15:17:12 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 13:17:12 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FA2@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Nope.  On my machine with a reference set to both scrrun.dll and the
Office 10 object library, it doesn't work.
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: A.D.Tejpal [mailto:ad_tp at hotmail.com] 
	Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 12:10 PM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: Re: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
	
	
	    I have tried Rocky's application(FS_A) as well as John's
code(FS_B). Both are working fine. 
	 
	    FS_A is a sweet finished application with built in Folder
browsing whereas this feature can be suitably added to FS_B.
	 
	    On the other hand, FS_B gets much more information about the
files and also covers subfolders.
	 
	    Note - It has to be ensured that following References are
available amongst others -
	    (a) Microsoft Scripting Runtime
	    (b) Microsoft Office 10 (Or 9) Object Library
	 
	    Thanks to you both - John , Rocky.
	 
	Regards,
	A.D.Tejpal
	--------------

		----- Original Message ----- 
		From: Charlotte Foust
<mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com>  
		To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
		Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 23:30
		Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames

		I'm running OXP and I don't even find the Extensibility
in my list of
		references, but it shouldn't make any difference.  How
annoying,
		especially since I know I've used this in the past with
A2k.
		
		Charlotte Foust
		
		-----Original Message-----
		From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
[mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
		Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:52 AM
		To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
		Subject: Re: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
		
		
		I've got a couple of references checked which you may
not have although
		it should fail to compile without them?
		
		Windows Script Host Object Model
		VBA Extensibility 5.3
		OLE Automation
		Office 9.0 Object Library
		DAO 3.6 Object Library
		Access 9.0 Object Library
		VB for A
		
		Is varPicturePath returning the right value?
		
		It's also set up to retrieve only files with .jpg
extension.
		
		    .FileName = "*.jpg"
		
		
		Rocky
		
		----- Original Message ----- 
		From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
		To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
		Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:47 AM
		Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
		
		
		> That's interesting, Roz.  I just pulled your code out,
changed the 
		> path to point to a folder on my machine with mdbs in
it, and got a 
		> zero for the FoundFiles count.  And I had the same
problem with 
		> Rocky's sample database.  It has to be a setting that
is causing the 
		> failures some of us are experiencing.  Now, if we
could just figure 
		> out what it is ... :o{
		>
		> Rocky, any suggestions?
		>
		> Charlotte Foust
		>
		> -----Original Message-----
		> From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
		> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:27 AM
		> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
		> Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
		>
		>
		>
		> Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed
by Rocky's, but 
		> Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that
looks like this:
		>
		>   Dim varItem As Variant
		>   With Application.FileSearch
		>     .NewSearch
		>     .SearchSubFolders = True
		>     .FileName = "*.mdb"
		>     .LookIn = "G:\"
		>     .Execute
		>     'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
		>     DoCmd.SetWarnings False
		>     For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
		>         strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo)
VALUES ( '" & 
		> varItem & "' )"
		>         'Debug.Print strSQL
		>         DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
		>     Next varItem
		>   End With
		>
		> This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the
file size or any 
		> date info. But that's fine, I can live with that.
		>
		> What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280
.mdb files on it 
		> (yes, I know that's ridiculous, which is the point of
the exercise) 
		> but the .FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't
seem to have 
		> looked in any sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this
the sort of 
		> whacky behaviour you guys have experienced?!
		>
		> Roz
		>
		> -----Original Message-----
		> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
[mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
		> Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
		> To: Roz Clarke
		> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was
corrupt of 
		> unreadable. Find Files db
		>
		>
		> Was curious about the code.  Standing by...
		>
		> Rocky
		>
		> ----- Original Message -----
		> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
		> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'"
<bchacc at san.rr.com>
		> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
		> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was
corrupt of
		> unreadable. Find Files db
		>
		>
		> > The email or the code?
		> >
		> > I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try
the code out 
		> > yet
		> > - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data
conversion and
		> > now have
		> a
		> > stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
		> >
		> > I'll let you know!
		> >
		> > -----Original Message-----
		> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
		> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
		> > Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
		> > To: Roz Clarke
		> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was
corrupt of
		> > unreadable. Find Files db
		> >
		> >
		> > did it work?
		> >
		> > ----- Original Message -----
		> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
		> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'"
<bchacc at san.rr.com>
		> > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
		> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was
corrupt of 
		> > unreadable. Find Files db
		> >
		> >
		> > > cheers
		> > >
		> > > -----Original Message-----
		> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
		> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
		> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
		> > > To: Roz Clarke
		> > > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk
was corrupt of 
		> > > unreadable. Find Files db
		> > >
		> > >
		> > > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only
grabbing files with 
		> > > a .jpg extension.  But you can change that to
whatever you want.
		> > >
		> > > Rocky
		> > >
		> > > ----- Original Message -----
		> > > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
		> > > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'"
<bchacc at san.rr.com>
		> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
		> > > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk
was corrupt of
		> unreadable.
		> > > Find Files db
		> > >
		> > >
		> > > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap
our notwork guys
		> > > >
		> > > >
		> > > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
		> > > >
		> > > > -----Original Message-----
		> > > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
		> > > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
		> > > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
		> > > > To: Roz Clarke
		> > > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk
was corrupt of 
		> > > > unreadable. Find Files db
		> > > >
		> > > >
		> > > > Roz:
		> > > >
		> > > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP
attachments.  :(
		> > > >
		> > > > Do you have another email address that might let
these go 
		> > > > through?
		> > > >
		> > > > Rocky
		> > > >
		> > > > ----- Original Message -----
		> > > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector" 
		> > > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
		> > > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
		> > > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
		> > > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was
corrupt of 
		> > > > unreadable.
		> > > Find
		> > > > Files db
		> > > >
		> > > >
		> > > > > The message you sent does not conform with our
company 
		> > > > > electronic communications policy.
		> > > > >
		> > > > >
		> > > > >
		> > > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
		> > > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
		> > > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
		> > > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
		> > > > >
		> > > > > The message was redirected for later
inspection.
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Tue May 20 15:29:34 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 13:29:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
In-Reply-To: <002c01c31ed0$0496ac00$9900a8c0@bbb888>
Message-ID: <20030520202934.29258.qmail@web13402.mail.yahoo.com>

My definition of "properly locked down" is that *NO*
machine that is not explicitly authorized, notice I
said machine, does not have access to the LAN.  Your
authorized account can be compromised.  It is very
difficult to compromise machine specific security. 
Pretty much all WiFi devices have the capabilities to
do this.  The security is based on the MAC address of
the network card.  Unless you know the MAC address of
an authorized machine AND that machine is not turned
on, it is very difficult to spoof that you are that
machine.

--- Bruce Bruen <bbruen at bigpond.com> wrote:
> Frank,
> 
> The school security is pretty good. Its just that we
> live so close that
> we can use their LAN via a proper authorised account
> as if he were in
> the schoolyard.  I was just having my POV that
> wireless "aint all its
> cracked up to be".
> 
> Bruce
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> III
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:30 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> lines
> 
> 
> You just agreed with what I said.  EXCEPT for one
> thing.
> 
> If properly locked down, nobody else can access your
> WiFi router.  It sounds like your son's school has
> their wide open.  Unfortunately this is normally the
> case.
> 
> You can TECHNICALLY have as many connections to a
> WiFi
> router as you'd like.  I never said you couldn't.  I
> said that they RECOMMENDED not having more than ten.
> 
> For the very reason you state.  Because, depending
> on
> the amount of data passing through the connections,
> the bandwidth gets useless VERY quickly.
> 
> Regardless, it sounds like your son's school needs
> to
> hire a computer security consultant.  For several
> reasons, pretty much all stemming from the unsecured
> WiFi routers.  Aside from the bandwidth issues,
> anyone accessing the
> school's network by using the router, pretty much
> has the same access as
> ANYONE else on the LAN.  Which means, unless the
> classroom is seperated
> from the campus LAN, not likely it sounds like it,
> an intruder has
> "trusted" access to the INTERNAL campus LAN.  It is
> relatively trivial
> once "inside" like this, to gain access to
> proprietary and/or
> confidential data, including any locally stored
> school records.  Which
> could include student names, addresses, telephone
> numbers, etc.  Most
> people aren't aware of the fact that this
> information is protected by
> law and violation of this law is subject to criminal
> and civil
> penalties.  Your son's school is opening themselves
> up to a WHOLE big
> legal mess, not to mention a scary situation with
> the "world" having
> access to this condifential data.
> 
> I *HIGHLY* recommend that you, or one of the other
> parents, contact them about this.  If they won't do
> anything, I'd suggest contacting the school board of
> this district.  As a parent, I wouldn't want my
> children's contact information OR scolastic
> information available to pretty much anyone that
> drives by the school with a laptop computer.
> 
> It's a proven fact that most networks have LESS
> internal security than they do from the outside
> world.
>  Meaning that most entities build a nice big
> fortress
> to keep the outwide world out, but once you're
> INSIDE
> the fortress, they left all of the doors unlocked. 
> So
> anyone getting into their fortress via this WiFi
> connection, has access to the inside of the fortress
> and all of it's unlocked doors.
> 
> --- Bruce Bruen <bbruen at bigpond.com> wrote:
> > Re: not more than 10
> > 
> > At my son's school they are using wireless routers
> > with much much more
> > that 10 connects.  We reckon up to 60 active
> > sessions at a time - AND up
> > to more than 200 connect attempts per router at
> the
> > beginning of lesson.
> > 
> > Result - performance during the times that the
> kids
> > try to log in =
> > absolutely useless!  Some can take up to 20
> minutes
> > of a lesson to get a
> > clean session negotiated - thus wasting most of
> the
> > students and
> > teachers available time.  I estimate that the
> > negotiated connects never
> > get any higher than 10mbps based on the experience
> > of my wife who
> > teaches there and says that the school network
> speed
> > is less than out
> > p2p 10 at home.
> > 
> > At my daughters school they use mini 5 port hubs
> in
> > the kids "work
> > stations" ( 4 desks screwed together) and a cabled
> > hub per classroom (
> > or at least 1 per pair of rooms)  Result - 10/100
> > connections in the
> > same time it takes them to plug in their blue
> worms!
> >  For 1200 kids,
> > connecting up to 6 times per day.
> > 
> > OTOH - as we live 300m by road from my son's
> school
> > and probably <100m
> > as the crow flies it does give him access to the
> > school (and the net)
> > without costing me a phone line!  But is this a
> good
> > thing - I think
> > not!  (who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of
> > pubescent web
> > surfers!)
> > 
> > So I suppose it depends on what you need to do
> with
> > wireless.  If you
> > want it so you can cart the laptop out to the
> > doghouse when you are
> > accused of ignoring your better half for a great
> > AccessD debate session,
> > then I suppose its great. But I reckon $15 worth
> of
> > cat5 + a weekend of
> > blue language and a couple of beers is a lot
> better.
> > 
> > JM20CW
> > 
> > Bruce
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> > Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> > III
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 12:20 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> > lines
> > 
> > 
> > Yes, you can.  In fact I am considering this
> myself,
> > so that I can have network access in my back yard
> > and
> > driveway areas.  Yes, I'm a geek at home
> too...ROFL
> > 
> > Cabling can get very expensive, unless you can do
> it yourself.  It's 
> > not so much the cable that's expensive.  It's the
> labor.  It's a b*tch
> 
> > to snake that cable throgh the rafters of the
> house and then
> > down the inside walls.  Especially if your inside
> > walls are insulated too, which most are anymore.
> > 
> > I was talking with one of the engineers at DLink,
> > and
> > they recomment not using more that ten wireless
> > devices per wireless router.  That's one of the
> > reasons I could never fully network my house via
> > wireless.  I have too many network devices and
> will
> > be
> > adding more as I automate my home via computer.
> > 
> > --- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> 
=== message truncated ===


From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue May 20 15:38:50 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 15:38:50 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
In-Reply-To: <9432099767.20030514175345@cactus.dk>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F54@infoserver01.infostat.local>
	<9432099767.20030514175345@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <60349.199.67.140.20.1053463130.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>

Hey Group

I have a query, one of the columns contains several groups of records -
Associates1 and Associates2. I need for both of them to be Associates. Is
there a faster way of doing this then using update query ? (this has to be
done every day, and I just for everything to be performed in one query)

Oleg


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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue May 20 15:58:26 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 13:58:26 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
References:  <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569E4@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3ECA96F2.7030707@shaw.ca>

Oh if it hits some of the hidden directories on winXP like "System 
Volume Information" it can hang
or do odd things, should throw an error 70.
 I have a similar program that does it via Dir calls rather than FileSys 
object that I wrote about 5 years ago I use to search for duplicate mdbs 
or .urls and stick in a table.. I would offer it but it uses goto's to 
backup trees rather than use recursion. Hangs head in shame. But if you 
would like to try it?

Roz Clarke wrote:

>Well I'm running Office XP on WXP w/ Service Pack 1.
>
>I can't think of any specific settings which would lead to the exclusion of
>the particular databases I'm missing :(
>
>Roz
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
>Sent: 20 May 2003 16:48
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
>That's interesting, Roz.  I just pulled your code out, changed the path to
>point to a folder on my machine with mdbs in it, and got a zero for the
>FoundFiles count.  And I had the same problem with Rocky's sample database.
>It has to be a setting that is causing the failures some of us are
>experiencing.  Now, if we could just figure out what it is ... :o{
>
>Rocky, any suggestions?
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
>Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:27 AM
>To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
>Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
>
>Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but
>Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:
>
>  Dim varItem As Variant
>  With Application.FileSearch
>    .NewSearch
>    .SearchSubFolders = True
>    .FileName = "*.mdb"
>    .LookIn = "G:\"
>    .Execute
>    'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
>    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
>    For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
>        strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & varItem & "'
>)"
>        'Debug.Print strSQL
>        DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
>    Next varItem
>  End With
>
>This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any date
>info. But that's fine, I can live with that.
>
>What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it (yes, I
>know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but the
>.FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked in any
>sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky behaviour you
>guys have experienced?!
>
>Roz
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
>Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
>To: Roz Clarke
>Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
>Find Files db
>
>
>Was curious about the code.  Standing by...
>
>Rocky
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
>To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
>Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
>Find Files db
>
>
>  
>
>>The email or the code?
>>
>>I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out yet
>>- spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and 
>>now have
>>    
>>
>a
>  
>
>>stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
>>
>>I'll let you know!
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
>>Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
>>To: Roz Clarke
>>Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
>>unreadable. Find Files db
>>
>>
>>did it work?
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
>>To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
>>Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
>>Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
>>unreadable. Find Files db
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>cheers
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
>>>[mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
>>>Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
>>>To: Roz Clarke
>>>Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
>>>unreadable. Find Files db
>>>
>>>
>>>Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with a
>>>.jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
>>>
>>>Rocky
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
>>>To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
>>>Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
>>>Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
>>>      
>>>
>unreadable.
>  
>
>>>Find Files db
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Try zora_db at yahoo.com
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
>>>>[mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
>>>>Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
>>>>To: Roz Clarke
>>>>Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
>>>>unreadable. Find Files db
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Roz:
>>>>
>>>>Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
>>>>
>>>>Do you have another email address that might let these go through?
>>>>
>>>>Rocky
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector"
>>>><ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
>>>>To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
>>>>Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
>>>>Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
>>>>unreadable.
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>Find
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Files db
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>The message you sent does not conform with our company
>>>>>electronic communications policy.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
>>>>>It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
>>>>>and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
>>>>>From IP: 66.75.160.17
>>>>>
>>>>>The message was redirected for later inspection.
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>    
>>
>
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue May 20 16:18:25 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 17:18:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF40389780C@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

I use the Tag property for multiple purposes, and use a simple ";"
(semicolon) delimiter. Then I can  pick out the 'fields' in Tag to see if
the one I'm interested in is present - usually I just use Instr() for the
purpose.

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Charlotte Foust [SMTP:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:41 AM
> To:	accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
> 
> I often use the Tag property for that purpose instead of a variable ...
> Except when I'm using Tag for something else, of course. <g>
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 5:40 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
> 
> 
> OldValue is set to Value when the data stores, thus by AfterUpdate the
> OldValue data has indeed been lost.  Use BeforeUpdate to store the value
> to a variable, then compare to that variable in AfterUpdate.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:29 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
> 
> 
> >From my experiments, it appears that MyControl.OldValue is available 
> >for
> scrutiny only in the BeforeUpdate event. In the AfterUpdate event it
> seems to be lost. I just wanted to confirm this hypothesis.
> 
> The point of the exercise is that I need to keep track of which columns
> a user has changed and then take action accordingly. I have to update
> some columns in another table depending on which columns changed in the
> current table, but only if the update to the current table was
> successul. I don't actually care about the old value, I'm just using it
> to determine which columns changed. But by the time I get to AfterUpdate
> I've lost the information.
> 
> Any suggestions as to how to work around this?
> 
> TIA,
> Arthur
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue May 20 16:20:30 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 17:20:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF40389780D@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

>From the (Access 97) Help file...

"Remarks

Microsoft Access uses the OldValue property to store the original value of a
bound control. When you edit a bound control on a form, your changes aren't
saved until you move to another record. The OldValue property contains the
unedited version of the underlying data."

So it's the act of moving away from the record, not the saving of it, that
wipes out OldValue.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Mark Whittinghill [SMTP:mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, May 20, 2003 12:12 PM
> To:	accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject:	Re: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
> 
> That's interesting, because I use OldValue with AfterUpdate all the time,
> and it works just fine.
> 
> Mark Whittinghill
> Symphony Information Services
> 612-333-1311
> mwhittinghill at symphonyinfo.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:39 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
> 
> 
> > OldValue is set to Value when the data stores, thus by AfterUpdate the
> > OldValue data has indeed been lost.  Use BeforeUpdate to store the value
> to
> > a variable, then compare to that variable in AfterUpdate.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:29 AM
> > To: AccessD
> > Subject: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
> >
> >
> > >From my experiments, it appears that MyControl.OldValue is available
> for
> > scrutiny only in the BeforeUpdate event. In the AfterUpdate event it
> seems
> > to be lost. I just wanted to confirm this hypothesis.
> >
> > The point of the exercise is that I need to keep track of which columns
> a
> > user has changed and then take action accordingly. I have to update some
> > columns in another table depending on which columns changed in the
> current
> > table, but only if the update to the current table was successul. I
> don't
> > actually care about the old value, I'm just using it to determine which
> > columns changed. But by the time I get to AfterUpdate I've lost the
> > information.
> >
> > Any suggestions as to how to work around this?
> >
> > TIA,
> > Arthur
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> >
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> 
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue May 20 16:24:39 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 17:24:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
In-Reply-To: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF40389780C@xlivmbx12.aig.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGECBDNAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

After learning about collections, I tend to set up a collection, use the
control name as the key and the control value (or oldvalue in this case) as
the data.  This allows me to "index in" to the collection later using the
control name to look up whatever I stored in the collection.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Heenan,
Lambert
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 5:18 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Cc: 'cfoust at infostatsystems.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate


I use the Tag property for multiple purposes, and use a simple ";"
(semicolon) delimiter. Then I can  pick out the 'fields' in Tag to see if
the one I'm interested in is present - usually I just use Instr() for the
purpose.

Lambert

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Charlotte Foust [SMTP:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:41 AM
> To:	accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject:	RE: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
>
> I often use the Tag property for that purpose instead of a variable ...
> Except when I'm using Tag for something else, of course. <g>
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 5:40 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
>
>
> OldValue is set to Value when the data stores, thus by AfterUpdate the
> OldValue data has indeed been lost.  Use BeforeUpdate to store the value
> to a variable, then compare to that variable in AfterUpdate.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 9:29 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] BeforeUpdate v. AfterUpdate
>
>
> >From my experiments, it appears that MyControl.OldValue is available
> >for
> scrutiny only in the BeforeUpdate event. In the AfterUpdate event it
> seems to be lost. I just wanted to confirm this hypothesis.
>
> The point of the exercise is that I need to keep track of which columns
> a user has changed and then take action accordingly. I have to update
> some columns in another table depending on which columns changed in the
> current table, but only if the update to the current table was
> successul. I don't actually care about the old value, I'm just using it
> to determine which columns changed. But by the time I get to AfterUpdate
> I've lost the information.
>
> Any suggestions as to how to work around this?
>
> TIA,
> Arthur
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
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From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Tue May 20 19:17:12 2003
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 12:17:12 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <70F3D727890C784291D8433E9C418F29038AC3@server.bondsoftware.co.nz>

Second that Charlotte.  Published by Apress.  ISBN 1-893115-94-1 (pbk.)
 
Stephen Bond

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 21 May 2003 2:57 a.m.
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


There's also a great book out call User Interface Design for Programmers, by Joel Spolsky, that discusses Windows interface design in general, complete with examples of what to avoid.
 
Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 


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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Tue May 20 20:40:11 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 13:40:11 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] RE: [dba-SQLServer]Changing apostrophes in string
In-Reply-To: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFAEOOCCAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030218065624.00b1cfa0@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030521133445.00b1e458@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

I know it has been a long time but I finally managed to get around to 
fixing this part of my program.  I have a couple of refinements that I have 
shown below.  One is that if the apostrophe is at the end of the text then 
it would not have been picked up (needed to change the comparison to 
<=).  Second was that if there was more than 1 apostrophe then because the 
ChkText was getting longer with the extra apostrophes it might not have 
checked to the end so I deleted the lbLength variable and checked against 
the new length each loop.  Here is my amended code.

Public Function basFixSingleQuote(strChkText As String) As String

     Dim intPosition As Integer

     intPosition = InStr(1, strChkText, "'")

     Do While intPosition > 0 And intPosition <= Len(strChkText)
         strChkText = Left(strChkText, intPosition) & Mid(strChkText, 
intPosition)
         intPosition = InStr(intPosition + 2, strChkText, "'")
     Loop

     basFixSingleQuote = strChkText

End Function

Regards

David Emerson

At 17/02/2003, you wrote:
>Hi David:
>
>Here is an example that works with all versions of Access:
>
>     ....
>     With EmployeeRecord
>         .Surname = FixSingleQuote(.Surname)
>     End With
>     ....
>
>Public Function FixSingleQuote(ChkText As String) as String
>     Dim lbPosition As Integer
>     Dim lbLength As Integer
>
>     lbLength = Len(ChkText)
>     lbPosition = InStr(1, ChkText, "'")
>
>     Do While lbPosition > 0 And lbPosition < lbLength
>         ChkText = Left(ChkText, lbPosition) & Mid(ChkText, lbPosition)
>         lbPosition = InStr(lbPosition + 2, ChkText, "'")
>     Loop
>
>     FixSingleQuote = ChkText
>
>End Function
>
>HTH
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-sqlserver-admin at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-sqlserver-admin at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of David
>Emerson
>Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 9:58 AM
>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer]Changing apostrophes in string
>
>
>Thanks.  Does anyone have the code handy to do this (I could sit down and
>write a function that does it but am running out of time).
>
>David
>
>At 17/02/2003, you wrote:
> >Hi David,
> >
> >replcace every ' with '' (2 apostrophes, the first ' acts as an escape
> >character) before sending
> >the sql statement to SQL2000.
> >This especially gives you some (though not enough) protection in case of
> >sql injections ([Forms]![frmCustomers]!MName =
> >"test ' drop table tblCustStatement -- " etc.)
> >
> >
> >Christoph Seck
> >
> >
> >
> >-------- Original Message --------
> >Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Changing apostrophes in string (17-Feb-2003 4:21)
> >From:    davide at dalyn.co.nz
> >To:      dbaSQL.chseck at kuehne-holz.de
> >
> > > I tried the archives but couldn't get in .
> > >
> > > I have a simple sql statement to be run from and AXP ADP to SQL2000
> > >
> > > DoCmd.RunSQL "UPDATE tblCustStatement SET tblCustStatement.SMName = '" &
> > > [Forms]![frmCustomers]![MName] & "' WHERE (((tblCustStatement.CustIDNo)=
> > > " & [Forms]![frmCustomers]![txtCustomerID] & ") AND
> > > ((tblCustStatement.StatementNumber)= " &
> > > [Forms]![frmCustomers]![txtInvNumber] & "));"
> > >
> > > How do we handle the following situation where
> > [Forms]![frmCustomers]!MName
> > >
> > > includes an apostrophe?
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > David Emerson
> > > DALYN Software Ltd
> > > 25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
> > > Wellington, New Zealand
> > > Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > dba-SQLServer mailing list
> > > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
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> >dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> >http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Tue May 20 20:40:11 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 13:40:11 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] RE: [dba-SQLServer]Changing apostrophes in string
In-Reply-To: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFAEOOCCAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030218065624.00b1cfa0@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030521133445.00b1e458@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

I know it has been a long time but I finally managed to get around to 
fixing this part of my program.  I have a couple of refinements that I have 
shown below.  One is that if the apostrophe is at the end of the text then 
it would not have been picked up (needed to change the comparison to 
<=).  Second was that if there was more than 1 apostrophe then because the 
ChkText was getting longer with the extra apostrophes it might not have 
checked to the end so I deleted the lbLength variable and checked against 
the new length each loop.  Here is my amended code.

Public Function basFixSingleQuote(strChkText As String) As String

     Dim intPosition As Integer

     intPosition = InStr(1, strChkText, "'")

     Do While intPosition > 0 And intPosition <= Len(strChkText)
         strChkText = Left(strChkText, intPosition) & Mid(strChkText, 
intPosition)
         intPosition = InStr(intPosition + 2, strChkText, "'")
     Loop

     basFixSingleQuote = strChkText

End Function

Regards

David Emerson

At 17/02/2003, you wrote:
>Hi David:
>
>Here is an example that works with all versions of Access:
>
>     ....
>     With EmployeeRecord
>         .Surname = FixSingleQuote(.Surname)
>     End With
>     ....
>
>Public Function FixSingleQuote(ChkText As String) as String
>     Dim lbPosition As Integer
>     Dim lbLength As Integer
>
>     lbLength = Len(ChkText)
>     lbPosition = InStr(1, ChkText, "'")
>
>     Do While lbPosition > 0 And lbPosition < lbLength
>         ChkText = Left(ChkText, lbPosition) & Mid(ChkText, lbPosition)
>         lbPosition = InStr(lbPosition + 2, ChkText, "'")
>     Loop
>
>     FixSingleQuote = ChkText
>
>End Function
>
>HTH
>Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dba-sqlserver-admin at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:dba-sqlserver-admin at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of David
>Emerson
>Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 9:58 AM
>To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [dba-SQLServer]Changing apostrophes in string
>
>
>Thanks.  Does anyone have the code handy to do this (I could sit down and
>write a function that does it but am running out of time).
>
>David
>
>At 17/02/2003, you wrote:
> >Hi David,
> >
> >replcace every ' with '' (2 apostrophes, the first ' acts as an escape
> >character) before sending
> >the sql statement to SQL2000.
> >This especially gives you some (though not enough) protection in case of
> >sql injections ([Forms]![frmCustomers]!MName =
> >"test ' drop table tblCustStatement -- " etc.)
> >
> >
> >Christoph Seck
> >
> >
> >
> >-------- Original Message --------
> >Subject: [dba-SQLServer]Changing apostrophes in string (17-Feb-2003 4:21)
> >From:    davide at dalyn.co.nz
> >To:      dbaSQL.chseck at kuehne-holz.de
> >
> > > I tried the archives but couldn't get in .
> > >
> > > I have a simple sql statement to be run from and AXP ADP to SQL2000
> > >
> > > DoCmd.RunSQL "UPDATE tblCustStatement SET tblCustStatement.SMName = '" &
> > > [Forms]![frmCustomers]![MName] & "' WHERE (((tblCustStatement.CustIDNo)=
> > > " & [Forms]![frmCustomers]![txtCustomerID] & ") AND
> > > ((tblCustStatement.StatementNumber)= " &
> > > [Forms]![frmCustomers]![txtInvNumber] & "));"
> > >
> > > How do we handle the following situation where
> > [Forms]![frmCustomers]!MName
> > >
> > > includes an apostrophe?
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > David Emerson
> > > DALYN Software Ltd
> > > 25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
> > > Wellington, New Zealand
> > > Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > dba-SQLServer mailing list
> > > dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> > > http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >dba-SQLServer mailing list
> >dba-SQLServer at databaseadvisors.com
> >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/dba-sqlserver
> >http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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>
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From viner at eunet.yu  Wed May 21 00:56:52 2003
From: viner at eunet.yu (Ervin Brindza)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 07:56:52 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Change datatype through VBA
Message-ID: <001701c31f5d$d12fdba0$0100a8c0@razvoj>

How to change the datatype from Text to Numeric(Integer) in an external database?
TIA,
    Ervin
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed May 21 02:19:27 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 09:19:27 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Technical test for developers
In-Reply-To: <60349.199.67.140.20.1053463130.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>
References:  <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F54@infoserver01.infostat.local>
 <9432099767.20030514175345@cactus.dk>
 <60349.199.67.140.20.1053463130.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <584028662.20030521091927@cactus.dk>

Hi Oleg

You can Group By Left([column with Associatesx], 10) ...

/gustav


> I have a query, one of the columns contains several groups of records -
> Associates1 and Associates2. I need for both of them to be Associates. Is
> there a faster way of doing this then using update query ? (this has to be
> done every day, and I just for everything to be performed in one query)


From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed May 21 03:34:44 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 09:34:44 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569E8@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Ye-es

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 17:53
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Roz:

Did you change the line which limits the retrieved files to .jpg extensions?

    .FileName = "*.jpg"

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:56 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


> Well I'm running Office XP on WXP w/ Service Pack 1.
>
> I can't think of any specific settings which would lead to the 
> exclusion
of
> the particular databases I'm missing :(
>
> Roz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 16:48
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
> That's interesting, Roz.  I just pulled your code out, changed the 
> path to point to a folder on my machine with mdbs in it, and got a 
> zero for the FoundFiles count.  And I had the same problem with 
> Rocky's sample
database.
> It has to be a setting that is causing the failures some of us are 
> experiencing.  Now, if we could just figure out what it is ... :o{
>
> Rocky, any suggestions?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:27 AM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
>
> Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but 
> Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:
>
>   Dim varItem As Variant
>   With Application.FileSearch
>     .NewSearch
>     .SearchSubFolders = True
>     .FileName = "*.mdb"
>     .LookIn = "G:\"
>     .Execute
>     'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
>     DoCmd.SetWarnings False
>     For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
>         strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & 
> varItem &
"'
> )"
>         'Debug.Print strSQL
>         DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
>     Next varItem
>   End With
>
> This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any 
> date info. But that's fine, I can live with that.
>
> What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it 
> (yes,
I
> know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but the 
> .FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked in 
> any sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky 
> behaviour you guys have experienced?!
>
> Roz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> Was curious about the code.  Standing by...
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
> Find Files db
>
>
> > The email or the code?
> >
> > I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out 
> > yet
> > - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and
> > now have
> a
> > stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
> >
> > I'll let you know!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > did it work?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > cheers
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with 
> > > a .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable.
> > > Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Roz:
> > > >
> > > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > > >
> > > > Do you have another email address that might let these go 
> > > > through?
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector" 
> > > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > > unreadable.
> > > Find
> > > > Files db
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company 
> > > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > > >
> > > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed May 21 04:06:42 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 10:06:42 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569EC@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

We're about to start designing the interface for a data mining application.
My team hasn't had any formal training on interface design, and I didn't
want them to get all their ideas from me - better if they have a range of
examples! So we're having a couple of workshops where we discuss design
principles before we start doing the spec. This application will take a few
weeks to write and, if we get it right, be in use for 2-3 years so it's
worth putting some thought into.
 
Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 20:10
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


What kind of 'interface' are you looking for?
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:53 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples



Hi all 

Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a discussion about interface
design, and someone was hosting a gallery of different interfaces that had
been done with Access?

Does anybody know if it's still there, where it was, and whether there are
any other good resources out there? 

TIA 

Roz 

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From subs at solution-providers.ie  Wed May 21 04:52:47 2003
From: subs at solution-providers.ie (Mark L. Breen)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 10:52:47 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
References: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569EC@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <002501c31f7e$c2de8850$6a1118ac@D8TZHN0J>

MessageHello Roz,

If you are going to do some work on UID, Alan Coopers work is a must read.  He will mention things that will make you say WOW, are we crazy to live with that kind of thing?

Have a look at his website also.  He has two books, 1) About Face and 2) The inmates are running the aslyum.  I could not recommend both strongly enough.  Only problem is, he will leave you kicking yourself because he sets the threshold quite high.  One the othe hand, some things he suggests are no codes improvements.

Mark Breen
Solution Providers
Ireland


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Roz Clarke 
  To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 10:06 AM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


  We're about to start designing the interface for a data mining application. My team hasn't had any formal training on interface design, and I didn't want them to get all their ideas from me - better if they have a range of examples! So we're having a couple of workshops where we discuss design principles before we start doing the spec. This application will take a few weeks to write and, if we get it right, be in use for 2-3 years so it's worth putting some thought into.

  Roz
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
    Sent: 20 May 2003 20:10
    To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
    Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


    What kind of 'interface' are you looking for?

    Drew
      -----Original Message-----
      From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
      Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:53 AM
      To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
      Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


      Hi all 

      Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a discussion about interface design, and someone was hosting a gallery of different interfaces that had been done with Access?

      Does anybody know if it's still there, where it was, and whether there are any other good resources out there? 

      TIA 

      Roz 



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From subs at solution-providers.ie  Wed May 21 05:45:36 2003
From: subs at solution-providers.ie (Mark L. Breen)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 11:45:36 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server and Visual InterDev
References: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569EC@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <001e01c31f86$48f7bd60$6a1118ac@D8TZHN0J>

MessageHello All,

I have started using VID recently to do all my database work.  I am finding it great.  Building sprocs in it are much easier than in Enterprise manager.

For some reason, in the last few days, when I edit SQL within an Sproc or a view within VID, it does not display my columns, even though they are turned on!

I am presuming that I clicked something, but I have no idea what it is, I cannot find anything in the BOl to help me, it must be something simple.

Has anyone any ideas?  Are any of you guys using VID to edit database work?  Do you like it, have you found anything better ?

Thanks in advance for any help,

Mark
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From subs at solution-providers.ie  Wed May 21 05:45:36 2003
From: subs at solution-providers.ie (Mark L. Breen)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 11:45:36 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer]SQL Server and Visual InterDev
References: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569EC@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <001e01c31f86$48f7bd60$6a1118ac@D8TZHN0J>

MessageHello All,

I have started using VID recently to do all my database work.  I am finding it great.  Building sprocs in it are much easier than in Enterprise manager.

For some reason, in the last few days, when I edit SQL within an Sproc or a view within VID, it does not display my columns, even though they are turned on!

I am presuming that I clicked something, but I have no idea what it is, I cannot find anything in the BOl to help me, it must be something simple.

Has anyone any ideas?  Are any of you guys using VID to edit database work?  Do you like it, have you found anything better ?

Thanks in advance for any help,

Mark
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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Wed May 21 07:27:48 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 08:27:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA303331D5@ADGSERVER>

Hey, 
You can read several chapters from the book here:
http://tinyurl.com/8hc8 <http://tinyurl.com/8hc8> 
 
Not sure if these are the full chapters or not.
 
Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Bond
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:17 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Second that Charlotte.  Published by Apress.  ISBN 1-893115-94-1 (pbk.)
 
Stephen Bond

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 21 May 2003 2:57 a.m.
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


There's also a great book out call User Interface Design for Programmers, by
Joel Spolsky, that discusses Windows interface design in general, complete
with examples of what to avoid.
 
Charlotte Foust

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From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Wed May 21 07:35:57 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 08:35:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Change datatype through VBA
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA303331D6@ADGSERVER>

One way that I have done this in the past is:
 
1) Build a table locally by adding fields up to the one that you want
changed, then add the field to the new table as you want it to be, then add
the rest of the fields.
2) Import all of the data into the new table.
3) Delete the original table.
4) Export the existing table to the origal database.
 
OR
 
If position in the table does not matter, simply rename the existing field,
append the new field to the end, and then copy the data from the old field
to the new field.  I'm not sure if you can delete the old field.
 
HTH,
Bobby

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ervin Brindza
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 1:57 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Change datatype through VBA



How to change the datatype from Text to Numeric(Integer) in an external
database?
TIA,
    Ervin

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From DElam at jenkens.com  Wed May 21 08:16:58 2003
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 08:16:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
Message-ID: <4AAC675EBAF3D411BCA200508BCFAA8E02F218EE@NATEXCH1>

Yes but how would you get them to stop playing with the cable, much less get
them out the correct spot if at all.  I have heard ferrets were used to
string cable in tight places, but I am still trying to figure out how they
were trained.  Ferrets are smart, but do not take direction well, and
consider anything and everything a toy.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Lytle [mailto:nancy.lytle at auatac.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:27 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


On a lighter note, for those really tight places for stringing cables -
walls and low ceilings-, why not use a ferret, they can get into the most
unusual places, they work on the cheap, on the other hand they can be
tempermental.

N Lytle :))

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:57 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


True enough - we only had to get across 2x4 stringers, luckily the
rafters/upper floor bearers (2x10) ran the other way.  The car
negotiated the 2x4s without a problem.

I would NEVER suggest running data through power conduit.  Guess we were
lucky again in that the house is full brick and there is a "fair" 10mm
gap between the skins, the only obstacle to vertical drops being the
brickies ties.  Brick veneer and etc with studded walls is always a
problem for any vertical cabling - I usually have opted for "dress"
conduit except in the rare cases where I felt the job was worth
replastering the wall.

Bruce
P.s. I have done it for a living.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Frank Tanner
III
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


That works fine for an office build.  But RC cars
don't work well in raftered house ceilings.  Most
houses here use 2x6s or 2x8s for rafters.  Or at least
most of the ones that I've seen.

If you're running network lines down the same conduit
as electrical wiring you're violating about a dozen
fire and safety codes.  Not to mention every basic
rule of network wiring that there is.

Electrical wiring, ESPECIALLY two-phase and
three-phase wiring emit large amounts of RF.  RF kills
data integrity.  One of the most basic rules of
network wiring is NEVER string your network wires
across power conduits, junction boxes, or lighting
fixtures.  Don't believe me?  Ask anyone that does it
for a living.  You, physically, can do it, but you
shouldn't.  You're asking for trouble.

--- Bruce Bruen <bbruen at bigpond.com> wrote:
> Try a $50 remote control 4WD model (ATV? For youse
> yanquies?) - we wired
> 200+ points in an office building several years ago
> using a couple of
> these - without removing the false ceiling.  They
> have a great advantage
> over nerf balls as you can make them go around
> things!. Also used one to
> cast 240V twin core for ceiling downlights BETWEEN
> the ceiling and the
> upper floor in our "new" 1928 built house last year.
> One sparky said "it
> couldn't be done" without removing the original cast
> plaster ceilings,
> another said $4500+ (for running the cable).   I
> said "bullSh*t", and
> did it myself, got a GOOD sparky to connect the
> cabling to the house
> circuit and certify the work for $60 + 2 coffees and
> a couple of beers.
>
> The way to get cable down a cored wall is to use
> that plastic strapping
> they use on whitegoods - as long as you can get a
> length of it - but
> better still is the plastic jointer strip out of
> quickclip flooring -
> you can shape the end to a blunt point and feed it
> UP a 1/2" or less
> core, attach the cable in the ceiling space and whip
> it down the core in
> approx 1/8 the time it takes the cat to get inside
> on a rainy day.
>
> If you DYI cat5, there is only one real tip - try
> not to kink the cable,
> otherwise I reckon its as good as $20/metre (or yard
> speaker cable for
> anything.  Oh, and another, if you cr*p up a
> connection on cat5 whether
> its Krone or grub screwed or whatever - cut the
> whole 4" off and start
> again, its not worth the hassle of bad connectors.
>
> Have fun! Crawling in 18" high dusty, cramped, dark,
> lumpy (with sharp
> bits) spaces is what some idiots do for a sport!
>
> Bruce
>
>
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> III
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:05 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> lines
>
>
> Yeah.  Those work well for drop ceiling.  We used to
> use string tied to a Nerf football...hehehe
>
> It can be a little more problematic in housing
> rafters
> though, unless you have lots of space.  Most houses
> here in Phoenix don't have attics, so the rafters
> have
> like 3 feet of clearance or so tops.  Makes it a
> real
> pain in the butt to string cable through....hehee
>
> --- MartyConnelly <martyconnelly at shaw.ca> wrote:
> > Here is an article on tools and methods to use for difficult CAT-5
> > cabling. I really like the fly fishing rod and slingshot
> > methods.
> >
>
http://www.techrepublic.com/article.jhtml?id=r00320030218vgl01.htm&fromt
> m=e101-3
> >
> > Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software wrote:
> >
> > >Frank:
> > >
> > >Thanks for the heads up.  I can get CAT5 to that
> > room but it will cost
> > >$500-600 because of where it is.  :(
> > >
> > >Looks like wireless for me.
> > >
> > >Rocky
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Frank Tanner III"
> <pctech at mybellybutton.com>
> > >To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 5:29 AM
> > >Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> > lines
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>I highly recommend against this.  Most telephone
> > >>wiring in homes is CAT3 *AT BEST*.  In alot of
> > cases,
> > >>not even that good.
> > >>
> > >>Most home telephone wiring is so splices and mickey-moused
> > >>together that you will be lucky if
> > you
> > >>get any connection at all.  And if you do, it
> will
> > >>probably be spotty, at best, due to
> > electromagenetic
> > >>interferance from other devices.
> > >>
> > >>Network engineering is what I do for a living.
> > I'd go
> > >>wireless LONG before I'd trust home telco wiring
> > for
> > >>my LAN.  Myself, I strung CAT5 in my house.  But
> > >>that's because I know how to.  For most home
> users
> > >>wireless would be a perfect fit.  If you're
> > worried
> > >>about people leeching your bandwidth or
> "sniffing"
> > off
> > >>of your wireless LAN, there are ways to lock it
> > down,
> > >>simply.  Will it stop the determined leech?
> Nope.
> > >>But it would stop 90% of the leeches that are
> out
> > >>there, because most are just looking for free
> > >>bandwidth.  Not to mention, I'd think you'd
> notice
> > >>someone sitting in front of your house with a
> laptop....hehehee
> > >>
> > >>--- Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> <bchacc at san.rr.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>Dear List(s):
> > >>>
> > >>>Got a new computer to put into a room where we
> > can't
> > >>>reach it with CAT-5.  So I've been ready to go
> > >>>wireless, except someone suggested using the
> > phone
> > >>>lines in the house (just as a substitute wire)
> > >>>instead of wireless.  Apparently, there's a
> > device
> > >>>that will connect the NIC and the phone jack
> and
> > you
> > >>>can use the phone wires in the house for
> > networking.
> > >>>
> > >>>Sounds, easy, and cheap, and low tech.  Anyone
> > know
> > >>>about this?
> > >>>
> > >>>MTIA
> > >>>
> > >>>Rocky Smolin
> > >>>Beach Access Software
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >
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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Wed May 21 08:36:31 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 08:36:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F3583C@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

A juicy tidbit at the spot where you want the ferret to go will work.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Elam, Debbie [mailto:DElam at jenkens.com] 
Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 21 08:17
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines

Yes but how would you get them to stop playing with the cable, much less
get them out the correct spot if at all.  I have heard ferrets were used
to string cable in tight places, but I am still trying to figure out how
they were trained.  Ferrets are smart, but do not take direction well,
and consider anything and everything a toy.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Lytle [mailto:nancy.lytle at auatac.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:27 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


On a lighter note, for those really tight places for stringing cables -
walls and low ceilings-, why not use a ferret, they can get into the
most unusual places, they work on the cheap, on the other hand they can
be tempermental.

N Lytle :))

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:57 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


True enough - we only had to get across 2x4 stringers, luckily the
rafters/upper floor bearers (2x10) ran the other way.  The car
negotiated the 2x4s without a problem.

I would NEVER suggest running data through power conduit.  Guess we were
lucky again in that the house is full brick and there is a "fair" 10mm
gap between the skins, the only obstacle to vertical drops being the
brickies ties.  Brick veneer and etc with studded walls is always a
problem for any vertical cabling - I usually have opted for "dress"
conduit except in the rare cases where I felt the job was worth
replastering the wall.

Bruce
P.s. I have done it for a living.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Frank Tanner
III
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


That works fine for an office build.  But RC cars
don't work well in raftered house ceilings.  Most
houses here use 2x6s or 2x8s for rafters.  Or at least
most of the ones that I've seen.

If you're running network lines down the same conduit
as electrical wiring you're violating about a dozen
fire and safety codes.  Not to mention every basic
rule of network wiring that there is.

Electrical wiring, ESPECIALLY two-phase and
three-phase wiring emit large amounts of RF.  RF kills
data integrity.  One of the most basic rules of
network wiring is NEVER string your network wires
across power conduits, junction boxes, or lighting
fixtures.  Don't believe me?  Ask anyone that does it
for a living.  You, physically, can do it, but you
shouldn't.  You're asking for trouble.


From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Wed May 21 08:54:42 2003
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 09:54:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Deleting ADODB.Command Parameters
Message-ID: <806536912C472E4A9D6515DF2E57261E0C5A74@mercury.tnco-inc.com>

Hi All,

I was trying to clear out the parameters collection of an ADODB.Command
object (2.7) and could not find a DeleteAll command.

Is the only way to delete all of the parameters in this collection by
iterating through them and delete each one?

Thanks,

Joe R.




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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed May 21 09:01:53 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 10:01:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEDODNAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

In Access placing the insertion pointer in a method of an object and hitting
shft-F2 takes you to that method of that object (to the code).  It actually
takes you to anything, variable etc.  According to the help file "shortcut
keys" this is supposed to work in the Visual Studio editor as well, and I
could swear that I have used it, but I am not getting it to work now.  Is
this supposed to work the same way as in the Access VBA editor?

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From delliker at hotmail.com  Wed May 21 09:08:29 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 10:08:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Further to SelHeight returns zero
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Wed May 21 09:08:37 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 09:08:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] does Access allow Replace in sql window ?
In-Reply-To: <9432099767.20030514175345@cactus.dk>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F54@infoserver01.infostat.local>
	<9432099767.20030514175345@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <57544.199.67.140.20.1053526117.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>

I was pretty sure that it does, but I can't seem to remember/find how.
I need something like this

Edit tblTableName

Select *

Replace "Mash*" with "Masha"




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From mikedorism at ntelos.net  Wed May 21 09:20:45 2003
From: mikedorism at ntelos.net (Mike and Doris Manning)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 10:20:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Remembering place on a datasheet
Message-ID: <000001c31fa4$2f043b90$3c320cd8@hargrove.internal>

I have created a datasheet for my users that works really well.  The problem
is that some users may have about 200 lines on there sheet.  Whenever the
datasheet requeries, the record pointer floats back to the top instead of
remaining on the line the user was working with.

Anybody got any suggestions for how can I sneakily return the user back to
line they were working on to get around the requery problem?

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed May 21 09:21:37 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:21:37 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569FD@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

One of my colleagues is trying this out for me, will let you know how she
gets on!

-----Original Message-----
From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 18:11
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Here's code that I tested and it seems to be working.  I have a table called
tbl_Files in which I want to place the name of the database found, the
directory it is located, it's size, when it was created, when it was last
modified, and when it was last accessed.

Private Sub cmdFileObject_Click()
' Provides the user Path, File Name,
' and File Size
' Insure there is a reference to the
' Microsoft Scripting Runtime
' Access 2000/2002
    On Error GoTo cmdFileObject_ERR

    Dim rst As ADODB.Command
    Dim fso As FileSystemObject
    Dim f1 As File
    Dim strFilePath As String
    Dim strFileName As String
    Dim strFileSize As String
    Dim datDateCreated As Date
    Dim datDateModified As Date
    Dim datDateAccessed As Date
    Dim I As Double

    Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
    Set rst = New ADODB.Command

    DoCmd.Hourglass True
    ' Create a recordset
    With rst
        .ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection
        .CommandType = adCmdText
        ' Create the SQL to delete any records in the table tbl_Files
        .CommandText = "DELETE * FROM tbl_Files"
        ' Delete the records
        .Execute
    End With

    With Application.FileSearch
        .NewSearch

	  ' There are over 50 subfolders where the databases reside
	  ' in this My work directory.
        .LookIn = "D:\Documents and Settings\John\My Documents\My Work"

        ' I want to search for all files that have .mda, .mdb, .mde
        ' and .ldb in their name.  Place a semicolon between each
        ' file type so that the FilesSearch will search all that
        ' you have specified
        .FileName = "*.mda; *.mdb; *.mde; *.ldb"

        .MatchTextExactly = False

	  ' FileType not required if you are using .FileName
	  ' with an extension
 '       .FileType = msoFileTypeAllFiles

	  ' Search all subfolders of My Work
        .SearchSubFolders = True

        If .Execute() > 0 Then
            For I = 1 To .FoundFiles.Count

                Set f1 = fso.GetFile(.FoundFiles(I))

                strFilePath = f1.ParentFolder
                strFileName = f1.Name
                strFileSize = f1.Size / 1000 ' Convert to KB
                datDateCreated = f1.DateCreated
                datDateModified = f1.DateLastModified
                datDateAccessed = f1.DateLastAccessed

                DoEvents

                ' SQL statement to insert the data into the tbl_Files table
                rst.CommandText = "INSERT INTO tbl_Files " & _
                        "(FilePath, FileName, FileSize, DateCreated, " & _
                        "DateLastModified, DateLastAccessed) " & _
                        "SELECT '" & _
                        strFilePath & "', '" & _
                        strFileName & " ', " & _
                        strFileSize & ", #" & _
                        datDateCreated & "#, #" & _
                        datDateModified & "#, #" & _
                        datDateAccessed & "#"
                ' Insert the record
                rst.Execute
           Next I
            MsgBox "Done. " & .FoundFiles.Count & " Records were added"
        Else
            MsgBox "No Files Found"
        End If
    End With


cmdFileObject_EXIT:

    On Error Resume Next
    DoCmd.Hourglass False
    Set rst = Nothing
    Exit Sub

cmdFileObject_ERR:

    If Err.Number = 70 Then ' Permission denied
        Resume Next
    End If
    MsgBox Error$

End Sub

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:56 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Well I'm running Office XP on WXP w/ Service Pack 1.

I can't think of any specific settings which would lead to the exclusion of
the particular databases I'm missing :(

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: 20 May 2003 16:48
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


That's interesting, Roz.  I just pulled your code out, changed the path to
point to a folder on my machine with mdbs in it, and got a zero for the
FoundFiles count.  And I had the same problem with Rocky's sample database.
It has to be a setting that is causing the failures some of us are
experiencing.  Now, if we could just figure out what it is ... :o{

Rocky, any suggestions?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:27 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames



Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but
Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:

  Dim varItem As Variant
  With Application.FileSearch
    .NewSearch
    .SearchSubFolders = True
    .FileName = "*.mdb"
    .LookIn = "G:\"
    .Execute
    'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
        strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & varItem & "'
)"
        'Debug.Print strSQL
        DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
    Next varItem
  End With

This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any date
info. But that's fine, I can live with that.

What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it (yes, I
know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but the
.FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked in any
sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky behaviour you
guys have experienced?!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
To: Roz Clarke
Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


Was curious about the code.  Standing by...

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


> The email or the code?
>
> I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out yet
> - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and 
> now have
a
> stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
>
> I'll let you know!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> did it work?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> > cheers
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with a 
> > .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.
> > Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > >
> > >
> > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Roz:
> > >
> > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > >
> > > Do you have another email address that might let these go through?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector" 
> > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable.
> > Find
> > > Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company 
> > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > >
> > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Wed May 21 09:24:30 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 16:24:30 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Remembering place on a datasheet
References: <000001c31fa4$2f043b90$3c320cd8@hargrove.internal>
Message-ID: <048201c31fa4$b17135b0$0300a8c0@S856>

I think you have to save the bookmark and then copy it back. 

Lembit Soobik

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike and Doris Manning" <mikedorism at ntelos.net>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 4:20 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Remembering place on a datasheet


> I have created a datasheet for my users that works really well.  The problem
> is that some users may have about 200 lines on there sheet.  Whenever the
> datasheet requeries, the record pointer floats back to the top instead of
> remaining on the line the user was working with.
> 
> Anybody got any suggestions for how can I sneakily return the user back to
> line they were working on to get around the requery problem?
> 
> Doris Manning
> Database Administrator
> Hargrove Inc.
> www.hargroveinc.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 


From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed May 21 09:24:29 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:24:29 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569FE@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

John

Thanks for this, Karen reports that it works beautifully in terms of
bringing back the additional info. It still only returns 152 of our 280
databases though! Gah!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 18:11
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Here's code that I tested and it seems to be working.  I have a table called
tbl_Files in which I want to place the name of the database found, the
directory it is located, it's size, when it was created, when it was last
modified, and when it was last accessed.

Private Sub cmdFileObject_Click()
' Provides the user Path, File Name,
' and File Size
' Insure there is a reference to the
' Microsoft Scripting Runtime
' Access 2000/2002
    On Error GoTo cmdFileObject_ERR

    Dim rst As ADODB.Command
    Dim fso As FileSystemObject
    Dim f1 As File
    Dim strFilePath As String
    Dim strFileName As String
    Dim strFileSize As String
    Dim datDateCreated As Date
    Dim datDateModified As Date
    Dim datDateAccessed As Date
    Dim I As Double

    Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
    Set rst = New ADODB.Command

    DoCmd.Hourglass True
    ' Create a recordset
    With rst
        .ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection
        .CommandType = adCmdText
        ' Create the SQL to delete any records in the table tbl_Files
        .CommandText = "DELETE * FROM tbl_Files"
        ' Delete the records
        .Execute
    End With

    With Application.FileSearch
        .NewSearch

	  ' There are over 50 subfolders where the databases reside
	  ' in this My work directory.
        .LookIn = "D:\Documents and Settings\John\My Documents\My Work"

        ' I want to search for all files that have .mda, .mdb, .mde
        ' and .ldb in their name.  Place a semicolon between each
        ' file type so that the FilesSearch will search all that
        ' you have specified
        .FileName = "*.mda; *.mdb; *.mde; *.ldb"

        .MatchTextExactly = False

	  ' FileType not required if you are using .FileName
	  ' with an extension
 '       .FileType = msoFileTypeAllFiles

	  ' Search all subfolders of My Work
        .SearchSubFolders = True

        If .Execute() > 0 Then
            For I = 1 To .FoundFiles.Count

                Set f1 = fso.GetFile(.FoundFiles(I))

                strFilePath = f1.ParentFolder
                strFileName = f1.Name
                strFileSize = f1.Size / 1000 ' Convert to KB
                datDateCreated = f1.DateCreated
                datDateModified = f1.DateLastModified
                datDateAccessed = f1.DateLastAccessed

                DoEvents

                ' SQL statement to insert the data into the tbl_Files table
                rst.CommandText = "INSERT INTO tbl_Files " & _
                        "(FilePath, FileName, FileSize, DateCreated, " & _
                        "DateLastModified, DateLastAccessed) " & _
                        "SELECT '" & _
                        strFilePath & "', '" & _
                        strFileName & " ', " & _
                        strFileSize & ", #" & _
                        datDateCreated & "#, #" & _
                        datDateModified & "#, #" & _
                        datDateAccessed & "#"
                ' Insert the record
                rst.Execute
           Next I
            MsgBox "Done. " & .FoundFiles.Count & " Records were added"
        Else
            MsgBox "No Files Found"
        End If
    End With


cmdFileObject_EXIT:

    On Error Resume Next
    DoCmd.Hourglass False
    Set rst = Nothing
    Exit Sub

cmdFileObject_ERR:

    If Err.Number = 70 Then ' Permission denied
        Resume Next
    End If
    MsgBox Error$

End Sub

John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
Always Looking For Contract Opportunities

Home: 253.588.2139
Cell: 253.307/2947
9306 Farwest Dr SW
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:56 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Well I'm running Office XP on WXP w/ Service Pack 1.

I can't think of any specific settings which would lead to the exclusion of
the particular databases I'm missing :(

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: 20 May 2003 16:48
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


That's interesting, Roz.  I just pulled your code out, changed the path to
point to a folder on my machine with mdbs in it, and got a zero for the
FoundFiles count.  And I had the same problem with Rocky's sample database.
It has to be a setting that is causing the failures some of us are
experiencing.  Now, if we could just figure out what it is ... :o{

Rocky, any suggestions?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:27 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames



Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but
Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:

  Dim varItem As Variant
  With Application.FileSearch
    .NewSearch
    .SearchSubFolders = True
    .FileName = "*.mdb"
    .LookIn = "G:\"
    .Execute
    'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
        strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & varItem & "'
)"
        'Debug.Print strSQL
        DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
    Next varItem
  End With

This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any date
info. But that's fine, I can live with that.

What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it (yes, I
know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but the
.FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked in any
sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky behaviour you
guys have experienced?!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
To: Roz Clarke
Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


Was curious about the code.  Standing by...

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


> The email or the code?
>
> I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out yet
> - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and 
> now have
a
> stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
>
> I'll let you know!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> did it work?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> > cheers
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with a 
> > .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.
> > Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > >
> > >
> > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Roz:
> > >
> > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > >
> > > Do you have another email address that might let these go through?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector" 
> > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable.
> > Find
> > > Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company 
> > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > >
> > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed May 21 09:28:22 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 16:28:22 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] does Access allow Replace in sql window ?
In-Reply-To: <57544.199.67.140.20.1053526117.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>
References:  <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F54@infoserver01.infostat.local>
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Message-ID: <7629764428.20030521162822@cactus.dk>

Hi Oleg

You could do something like:

  Expr1: IIf(Left([YourColumn], 4)='Mash', 'Masha', [YourColumn])

/gustav


> I was pretty sure that it does, but I can't seem to remember/find how.
> I need something like this

> Edit tblTableName

> Select *

> Replace "Mash*" with "Masha"


From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Wed May 21 09:33:58 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 09:33:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] does Access allow Replace in sql window ?
In-Reply-To: <7629764428.20030521162822@cactus.dk>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F54@infoserver01.infostat.local>
	<9432099767.20030514175345@cactus.dk>
	<57544.199.67.140.20.1053526117.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>
	<7629764428.20030521162822@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <49700.199.67.140.20.1053527638.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>

thanks Gustav,

but they are all different length (with first 5 characters being the same)
Actually I just realisesd that all I need is for all values in that column
to be the word "associates" That should be simpler ?

> Hi Oleg
>
> You could do something like:
>
>   Expr1: IIf(Left([YourColumn], 4)='Mash', 'Masha', [YourColumn])
>
> /gustav
>
>
>> I was pretty sure that it does, but I can't seem to remember/find how.
>> I need something like this
>
>> Edit tblTableName
>
>> Select *
>
>> Replace "Mash*" with "Masha"
>
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From papparuff at attbi.com  Wed May 21 09:47:08 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 07:47:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C83188039569FE@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <004a01c31fa7$db2c5120$6401a8c0@papparuff>

Roz,

Please don't think me silly, but...are the other 128 databases in
directories that were not specified in the .LookIn property.  Does the
person running the code have access to the directories that the other
databases are located?



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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 7:24 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


John

Thanks for this, Karen reports that it works beautifully in terms of
bringing back the additional info. It still only returns 152 of our 280
databases though! Gah!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 18:11
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Here's code that I tested and it seems to be working.  I have a table
called tbl_Files in which I want to place the name of the database
found, the directory it is located, it's size, when it was created, when
it was last modified, and when it was last accessed.

Private Sub cmdFileObject_Click()
' Provides the user Path, File Name,
' and File Size
' Insure there is a reference to the
' Microsoft Scripting Runtime
' Access 2000/2002
    On Error GoTo cmdFileObject_ERR

    Dim rst As ADODB.Command
    Dim fso As FileSystemObject
    Dim f1 As File
    Dim strFilePath As String
    Dim strFileName As String
    Dim strFileSize As String
    Dim datDateCreated As Date
    Dim datDateModified As Date
    Dim datDateAccessed As Date
    Dim I As Double

    Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
    Set rst = New ADODB.Command

    DoCmd.Hourglass True
    ' Create a recordset
    With rst
        .ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection
        .CommandType = adCmdText
        ' Create the SQL to delete any records in the table tbl_Files
        .CommandText = "DELETE * FROM tbl_Files"
        ' Delete the records
        .Execute
    End With

    With Application.FileSearch
        .NewSearch

	  ' There are over 50 subfolders where the databases reside
	  ' in this My work directory.
        .LookIn = "D:\Documents and Settings\John\My Documents\My Work"

        ' I want to search for all files that have .mda, .mdb, .mde
        ' and .ldb in their name.  Place a semicolon between each
        ' file type so that the FilesSearch will search all that
        ' you have specified
        .FileName = "*.mda; *.mdb; *.mde; *.ldb"

        .MatchTextExactly = False

	  ' FileType not required if you are using .FileName
	  ' with an extension
 '       .FileType = msoFileTypeAllFiles

	  ' Search all subfolders of My Work
        .SearchSubFolders = True

        If .Execute() > 0 Then
            For I = 1 To .FoundFiles.Count

                Set f1 = fso.GetFile(.FoundFiles(I))

                strFilePath = f1.ParentFolder
                strFileName = f1.Name
                strFileSize = f1.Size / 1000 ' Convert to KB
                datDateCreated = f1.DateCreated
                datDateModified = f1.DateLastModified
                datDateAccessed = f1.DateLastAccessed

                DoEvents

                ' SQL statement to insert the data into the tbl_Files
table
                rst.CommandText = "INSERT INTO tbl_Files " & _
                        "(FilePath, FileName, FileSize, DateCreated, " &
_
                        "DateLastModified, DateLastAccessed) " & _
                        "SELECT '" & _
                        strFilePath & "', '" & _
                        strFileName & " ', " & _
                        strFileSize & ", #" & _
                        datDateCreated & "#, #" & _
                        datDateModified & "#, #" & _
                        datDateAccessed & "#"
                ' Insert the record
                rst.Execute
           Next I
            MsgBox "Done. " & .FoundFiles.Count & " Records were added"
        Else
            MsgBox "No Files Found"
        End If
    End With


cmdFileObject_EXIT:

    On Error Resume Next
    DoCmd.Hourglass False
    Set rst = Nothing
    Exit Sub

cmdFileObject_ERR:

    If Err.Number = 70 Then ' Permission denied
        Resume Next
    End If
    MsgBox Error$

End Sub

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:56 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Well I'm running Office XP on WXP w/ Service Pack 1.

I can't think of any specific settings which would lead to the exclusion
of the particular databases I'm missing :(

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: 20 May 2003 16:48
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


That's interesting, Roz.  I just pulled your code out, changed the path
to point to a folder on my machine with mdbs in it, and got a zero for
the FoundFiles count.  And I had the same problem with Rocky's sample
database. It has to be a setting that is causing the failures some of us
are experiencing.  Now, if we could just figure out what it is ... :o{

Rocky, any suggestions?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:27 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames



Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but
Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:

  Dim varItem As Variant
  With Application.FileSearch
    .NewSearch
    .SearchSubFolders = True
    .FileName = "*.mdb"
    .LookIn = "G:\"
    .Execute
    'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
        strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & varItem
& "' )"
        'Debug.Print strSQL
        DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
    Next varItem
  End With

This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any
date info. But that's fine, I can live with that.

What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it
(yes, I know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but
the .FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked
in any sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky
behaviour you guys have experienced?!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
To: Roz Clarke
Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable. Find Files db


Was curious about the code.  Standing by...

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable. Find Files db


> The email or the code?
>
> I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out yet
> - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and
> now have
a
> stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
>
> I'll let you know!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> did it work?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> > cheers
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with a
> > .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.
> > Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > >
> > >
> > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Roz:
> > >
> > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > >
> > > Do you have another email address that might let these go through?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector"
> > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable.
> > Find
> > > Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company
> > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > >
> > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed May 21 09:57:16 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 07:57:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Remembering place on a datasheet
References: <000001c31fa4$2f043b90$3c320cd8@hargrove.internal>
Message-ID: <044101c31fa9$4536a8d0$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Doris:

DIM varBookMark as Variant

    varBookMark = Me.Bookmark
    Me.Requery (or whatever)
    Me.Bookmark = varBookMark

will return you to the original record.

HTH

Rocky Smolin
Beach Access Software

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike and Doris Manning" <mikedorism at ntelos.net>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 7:20 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Remembering place on a datasheet


> I have created a datasheet for my users that works really well.  The
problem
> is that some users may have about 200 lines on there sheet.  Whenever the
> datasheet requeries, the record pointer floats back to the top instead of
> remaining on the line the user was working with.
>
> Anybody got any suggestions for how can I sneakily return the user back to
> line they were working on to get around the requery problem?
>
> Doris Manning
> Database Administrator
> Hargrove Inc.
> www.hargroveinc.com
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed May 21 10:01:54 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 17:01:54 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] does Access allow Replace in sql window ?
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References:  <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F54@infoserver01.infostat.local>
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Message-ID: <13831776281.20030521170154@cactus.dk>

Hi Oleg

> but they are all different length (with first 5 characters being the same)

If so:

  Expr1: IIf(Left([YourColumn], 5)='Masha', 'Masha', [YourColumn])

> Actually I just realisesd that all I need is for all values in that column
> to be the word "associates" That should be simpler ?

Ehh - you lost me here ... or do you mean:

  Expr1: IIf(Left([YourColumn], 10)='Associates', 'Associates', [YourColumn])

/gustav


>> You could do something like:
>>
>>   Expr1: IIf(Left([YourColumn], 4)='Mash', 'Masha', [YourColumn])
>>
>> /gustav
>>
>>
>>> I was pretty sure that it does, but I can't seem to remember/find how.
>>> I need something like this
>>
>>> Edit tblTableName
>>
>>> Select *
>>
>>> Replace "Mash*" with "Masha"


From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed May 21 10:02:22 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 16:02:22 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956A00@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

I don't think you silly whatsoever.

The other 128 databases are in directories and subdirectories which sit
alongside those which are successfully being searched (all in one root
directory with no shares or other malarkey involved) There are no different
permissions on any of the folders or databases being ignored versus those
being returned. The user(s) testing the code have full administrator
permissions.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
Sent: 21 May 2003 15:47
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Roz,

Please don't think me silly, but...are the other 128 databases in
directories that were not specified in the .LookIn property.  Does the
person running the code have access to the directories that the other
databases are located?



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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 7:24 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


John

Thanks for this, Karen reports that it works beautifully in terms of
bringing back the additional info. It still only returns 152 of our 280
databases though! Gah!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 18:11
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Here's code that I tested and it seems to be working.  I have a table called
tbl_Files in which I want to place the name of the database found, the
directory it is located, it's size, when it was created, when it was last
modified, and when it was last accessed.

Private Sub cmdFileObject_Click()
' Provides the user Path, File Name,
' and File Size
' Insure there is a reference to the
' Microsoft Scripting Runtime
' Access 2000/2002
    On Error GoTo cmdFileObject_ERR

    Dim rst As ADODB.Command
    Dim fso As FileSystemObject
    Dim f1 As File
    Dim strFilePath As String
    Dim strFileName As String
    Dim strFileSize As String
    Dim datDateCreated As Date
    Dim datDateModified As Date
    Dim datDateAccessed As Date
    Dim I As Double

    Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
    Set rst = New ADODB.Command

    DoCmd.Hourglass True
    ' Create a recordset
    With rst
        .ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection
        .CommandType = adCmdText
        ' Create the SQL to delete any records in the table tbl_Files
        .CommandText = "DELETE * FROM tbl_Files"
        ' Delete the records
        .Execute
    End With

    With Application.FileSearch
        .NewSearch

	  ' There are over 50 subfolders where the databases reside
	  ' in this My work directory.
        .LookIn = "D:\Documents and Settings\John\My Documents\My Work"

        ' I want to search for all files that have .mda, .mdb, .mde
        ' and .ldb in their name.  Place a semicolon between each
        ' file type so that the FilesSearch will search all that
        ' you have specified
        .FileName = "*.mda; *.mdb; *.mde; *.ldb"

        .MatchTextExactly = False

	  ' FileType not required if you are using .FileName
	  ' with an extension
 '       .FileType = msoFileTypeAllFiles

	  ' Search all subfolders of My Work
        .SearchSubFolders = True

        If .Execute() > 0 Then
            For I = 1 To .FoundFiles.Count

                Set f1 = fso.GetFile(.FoundFiles(I))

                strFilePath = f1.ParentFolder
                strFileName = f1.Name
                strFileSize = f1.Size / 1000 ' Convert to KB
                datDateCreated = f1.DateCreated
                datDateModified = f1.DateLastModified
                datDateAccessed = f1.DateLastAccessed

                DoEvents

                ' SQL statement to insert the data into the tbl_Files table
                rst.CommandText = "INSERT INTO tbl_Files " & _
                        "(FilePath, FileName, FileSize, DateCreated, " & _
                        "DateLastModified, DateLastAccessed) " & _
                        "SELECT '" & _
                        strFilePath & "', '" & _
                        strFileName & " ', " & _
                        strFileSize & ", #" & _
                        datDateCreated & "#, #" & _
                        datDateModified & "#, #" & _
                        datDateAccessed & "#"
                ' Insert the record
                rst.Execute
           Next I
            MsgBox "Done. " & .FoundFiles.Count & " Records were added"
        Else
            MsgBox "No Files Found"
        End If
    End With


cmdFileObject_EXIT:

    On Error Resume Next
    DoCmd.Hourglass False
    Set rst = Nothing
    Exit Sub

cmdFileObject_ERR:

    If Err.Number = 70 Then ' Permission denied
        Resume Next
    End If
    MsgBox Error$

End Sub

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:56 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Well I'm running Office XP on WXP w/ Service Pack 1.

I can't think of any specific settings which would lead to the exclusion of
the particular databases I'm missing :(

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: 20 May 2003 16:48
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


That's interesting, Roz.  I just pulled your code out, changed the path to
point to a folder on my machine with mdbs in it, and got a zero for the
FoundFiles count.  And I had the same problem with Rocky's sample database.
It has to be a setting that is causing the failures some of us are
experiencing.  Now, if we could just figure out what it is ... :o{

Rocky, any suggestions?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:27 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames



Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but
Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:

  Dim varItem As Variant
  With Application.FileSearch
    .NewSearch
    .SearchSubFolders = True
    .FileName = "*.mdb"
    .LookIn = "G:\"
    .Execute
    'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
        strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & varItem & "'
)"
        'Debug.Print strSQL
        DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
    Next varItem
  End With

This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any date
info. But that's fine, I can live with that.

What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it (yes, I
know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but the
.FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked in any
sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky behaviour you
guys have experienced?!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
To: Roz Clarke
Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


Was curious about the code.  Standing by...

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


> The email or the code?
>
> I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out yet
> - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and 
> now have
a
> stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
>
> I'll let you know!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> did it work?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> > cheers
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with a 
> > .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.
> > Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > >
> > >
> > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Roz:
> > >
> > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > >
> > > Do you have another email address that might let these go through?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector" 
> > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > unreadable.
> > Find
> > > Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company 
> > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > >
> > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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From mikedorism at ntelos.net  Wed May 21 10:10:43 2003
From: mikedorism at ntelos.net (Mike and Doris Manning)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 11:10:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Remembering place on a datasheet
In-Reply-To: <048201c31fa4$b17135b0$0300a8c0@S856>
Message-ID: <000001c31fab$2a7a4270$6e330cd8@hargrove.internal>

Bless you... I knew it could be done just couldn't remember how...

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 10:25 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Remembering place on a datasheet


I think you have to save the bookmark and then copy it back. 

Lembit Soobik

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike and Doris Manning" <mikedorism at ntelos.net>
To: <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 4:20 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Remembering place on a datasheet


> I have created a datasheet for my users that works really well.  The 
> problem is that some users may have about 200 lines on there sheet.  
> Whenever the datasheet requeries, the record pointer floats back to 
> the top instead of remaining on the line the user was working with.
> 
> Anybody got any suggestions for how can I sneakily return the user 
> back to line they were working on to get around the requery problem?
> 
> Doris Manning
> Database Administrator
> Hargrove Inc.
> www.hargroveinc.com
> 
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From papparuff at attbi.com  Wed May 21 10:13:34 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 08:13:34 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956A00@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <004b01c31fab$8c69d2c0$6401a8c0@papparuff>

OK,

My next question, if you change the .LookIn property to search those
specific directories that the 182 dbs are in, is the program adding them
to the table?

But before you try that, if you haven't already, try this; change the
LookIn property from

        .FileName = "*.mda; *.mdb; *.mde; *.ldb"

To

        .FileName = "*.mda*; *.mdb*; *.mde*; *.ldb*"	' (place an
asterisk at the end of each ext)


  

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:02 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


I don't think you silly whatsoever.

The other 128 databases are in directories and subdirectories which sit
alongside those which are successfully being searched (all in one root
directory with no shares or other malarkey involved) There are no
different permissions on any of the folders or databases being ignored
versus those being returned. The user(s) testing the code have full
administrator permissions.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
Sent: 21 May 2003 15:47
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Roz,

Please don't think me silly, but...are the other 128 databases in
directories that were not specified in the .LookIn property.  Does the
person running the code have access to the directories that the other
databases are located?



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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 7:24 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


John

Thanks for this, Karen reports that it works beautifully in terms of
bringing back the additional info. It still only returns 152 of our 280
databases though! Gah!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 18:11
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Here's code that I tested and it seems to be working.  I have a table
called tbl_Files in which I want to place the name of the database
found, the directory it is located, it's size, when it was created, when
it was last modified, and when it was last accessed.

Private Sub cmdFileObject_Click()
' Provides the user Path, File Name,
' and File Size
' Insure there is a reference to the
' Microsoft Scripting Runtime
' Access 2000/2002
    On Error GoTo cmdFileObject_ERR

    Dim rst As ADODB.Command
    Dim fso As FileSystemObject
    Dim f1 As File
    Dim strFilePath As String
    Dim strFileName As String
    Dim strFileSize As String
    Dim datDateCreated As Date
    Dim datDateModified As Date
    Dim datDateAccessed As Date
    Dim I As Double

    Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
    Set rst = New ADODB.Command

    DoCmd.Hourglass True
    ' Create a recordset
    With rst
        .ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection
        .CommandType = adCmdText
        ' Create the SQL to delete any records in the table tbl_Files
        .CommandText = "DELETE * FROM tbl_Files"
        ' Delete the records
        .Execute
    End With

    With Application.FileSearch
        .NewSearch

	  ' There are over 50 subfolders where the databases reside
	  ' in this My work directory.
        .LookIn = "D:\Documents and Settings\John\My Documents\My Work"

        ' I want to search for all files that have .mda, .mdb, .mde
        ' and .ldb in their name.  Place a semicolon between each
        ' file type so that the FilesSearch will search all that
        ' you have specified
        .FileName = "*.mda; *.mdb; *.mde; *.ldb"

        .MatchTextExactly = False

	  ' FileType not required if you are using .FileName
	  ' with an extension
 '       .FileType = msoFileTypeAllFiles

	  ' Search all subfolders of My Work
        .SearchSubFolders = True

        If .Execute() > 0 Then
            For I = 1 To .FoundFiles.Count

                Set f1 = fso.GetFile(.FoundFiles(I))

                strFilePath = f1.ParentFolder
                strFileName = f1.Name
                strFileSize = f1.Size / 1000 ' Convert to KB
                datDateCreated = f1.DateCreated
                datDateModified = f1.DateLastModified
                datDateAccessed = f1.DateLastAccessed

                DoEvents

                ' SQL statement to insert the data into the tbl_Files
table
                rst.CommandText = "INSERT INTO tbl_Files " & _
                        "(FilePath, FileName, FileSize, DateCreated, " &
_
                        "DateLastModified, DateLastAccessed) " & _
                        "SELECT '" & _
                        strFilePath & "', '" & _
                        strFileName & " ', " & _
                        strFileSize & ", #" & _
                        datDateCreated & "#, #" & _
                        datDateModified & "#, #" & _
                        datDateAccessed & "#"
                ' Insert the record
                rst.Execute
           Next I
            MsgBox "Done. " & .FoundFiles.Count & " Records were added"
        Else
            MsgBox "No Files Found"
        End If
    End With


cmdFileObject_EXIT:

    On Error Resume Next
    DoCmd.Hourglass False
    Set rst = Nothing
    Exit Sub

cmdFileObject_ERR:

    If Err.Number = 70 Then ' Permission denied
        Resume Next
    End If
    MsgBox Error$

End Sub

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:56 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Well I'm running Office XP on WXP w/ Service Pack 1.

I can't think of any specific settings which would lead to the exclusion
of the particular databases I'm missing :(

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: 20 May 2003 16:48
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


That's interesting, Roz.  I just pulled your code out, changed the path
to point to a folder on my machine with mdbs in it, and got a zero for
the FoundFiles count.  And I had the same problem with Rocky's sample
database. It has to be a setting that is causing the failures some of us
are experiencing.  Now, if we could just figure out what it is ... :o{

Rocky, any suggestions?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:27 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames



Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but
Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:

  Dim varItem As Variant
  With Application.FileSearch
    .NewSearch
    .SearchSubFolders = True
    .FileName = "*.mdb"
    .LookIn = "G:\"
    .Execute
    'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
        strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & varItem
& "' )"
        'Debug.Print strSQL
        DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
    Next varItem
  End With

This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any
date info. But that's fine, I can live with that.

What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it
(yes, I know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but
the .FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked
in any sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky
behaviour you guys have experienced?!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
To: Roz Clarke
Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable. Find Files db


Was curious about the code.  Standing by...

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable. Find Files db


> The email or the code?
>
> I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out yet
> - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and
> now have
a
> stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
>
> I'll let you know!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> did it work?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> > cheers
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with a
> > .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.
> > Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > >
> > >
> > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Roz:
> > >
> > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > >
> > > Do you have another email address that might let these go through?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector"
> > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > unreadable.
> > Find
> > > Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company
> > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > >
> > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May 21 10:16:02 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 08:16:02 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Remembering place on a datasheet
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C339@infoserver01.infostat.local>

What is triggering the requery?  The way I generally do this in forms is
to store the key for that record in a variable and then after the
requery, I use recordsetclone navigation to set the bookmark back to the
record they were on.  I believe bookmarks get reshuffled in a requery,
because I've never been able to make using them that way work.

Charlotte Foust

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Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 6:21 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Remembering place on a datasheet


I have created a datasheet for my users that works really well.  The
problem is that some users may have about 200 lines on there sheet.
Whenever the datasheet requeries, the record pointer floats back to the
top instead of remaining on the line the user was working with.

Anybody got any suggestions for how can I sneakily return the user back
to line they were working on to get around the requery problem?

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
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From bchacc at san.rr.com  Wed May 21 10:17:51 2003
From: bchacc at san.rr.com (Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 08:17:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
References: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956A00@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <046801c31fac$250d2400$6501a8c0@HAL9002>

Roz:

What would happen if you moved all of the databases into a test directory.
Would the code retrieve all of them?  I'm wondering if its the directory
structure that's confusing the code or something about the dbs that are not
being retrieved.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:02 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


> I don't think you silly whatsoever.
>
> The other 128 databases are in directories and subdirectories which sit
> alongside those which are successfully being searched (all in one root
> directory with no shares or other malarkey involved) There are no
different
> permissions on any of the folders or databases being ignored versus those
> being returned. The user(s) testing the code have full administrator
> permissions.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com]
> Sent: 21 May 2003 15:47
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
> Roz,
>
> Please don't think me silly, but...are the other 128 databases in
> directories that were not specified in the .LookIn property.  Does the
> person running the code have access to the directories that the other
> databases are located?
>
>
>
> John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
> Always Looking For Contract Opportunities
>
> www.noclassroom.com
> Live software training
> Right over the Internet
>
> Home: 253.588.2139
> Cell: 253.307/2947
> 9306 Farwest Dr SW
> Lakewood, WA 98498
>
> "Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
> and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 7:24 AM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
> John
>
> Thanks for this, Karen reports that it works beautifully in terms of
> bringing back the additional info. It still only returns 152 of our 280
> databases though! Gah!
>
> Roz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 18:11
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
> Here's code that I tested and it seems to be working.  I have a table
called
> tbl_Files in which I want to place the name of the database found, the
> directory it is located, it's size, when it was created, when it was last
> modified, and when it was last accessed.
>
> Private Sub cmdFileObject_Click()
> ' Provides the user Path, File Name,
> ' and File Size
> ' Insure there is a reference to the
> ' Microsoft Scripting Runtime
> ' Access 2000/2002
>     On Error GoTo cmdFileObject_ERR
>
>     Dim rst As ADODB.Command
>     Dim fso As FileSystemObject
>     Dim f1 As File
>     Dim strFilePath As String
>     Dim strFileName As String
>     Dim strFileSize As String
>     Dim datDateCreated As Date
>     Dim datDateModified As Date
>     Dim datDateAccessed As Date
>     Dim I As Double
>
>     Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
>     Set rst = New ADODB.Command
>
>     DoCmd.Hourglass True
>     ' Create a recordset
>     With rst
>         .ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection
>         .CommandType = adCmdText
>         ' Create the SQL to delete any records in the table tbl_Files
>         .CommandText = "DELETE * FROM tbl_Files"
>         ' Delete the records
>         .Execute
>     End With
>
>     With Application.FileSearch
>         .NewSearch
>
>   ' There are over 50 subfolders where the databases reside
>   ' in this My work directory.
>         .LookIn = "D:\Documents and Settings\John\My Documents\My Work"
>
>         ' I want to search for all files that have .mda, .mdb, .mde
>         ' and .ldb in their name.  Place a semicolon between each
>         ' file type so that the FilesSearch will search all that
>         ' you have specified
>         .FileName = "*.mda; *.mdb; *.mde; *.ldb"
>
>         .MatchTextExactly = False
>
>   ' FileType not required if you are using .FileName
>   ' with an extension
>  '       .FileType = msoFileTypeAllFiles
>
>   ' Search all subfolders of My Work
>         .SearchSubFolders = True
>
>         If .Execute() > 0 Then
>             For I = 1 To .FoundFiles.Count
>
>                 Set f1 = fso.GetFile(.FoundFiles(I))
>
>                 strFilePath = f1.ParentFolder
>                 strFileName = f1.Name
>                 strFileSize = f1.Size / 1000 ' Convert to KB
>                 datDateCreated = f1.DateCreated
>                 datDateModified = f1.DateLastModified
>                 datDateAccessed = f1.DateLastAccessed
>
>                 DoEvents
>
>                 ' SQL statement to insert the data into the tbl_Files
table
>                 rst.CommandText = "INSERT INTO tbl_Files " & _
>                         "(FilePath, FileName, FileSize, DateCreated, " & _
>                         "DateLastModified, DateLastAccessed) " & _
>                         "SELECT '" & _
>                         strFilePath & "', '" & _
>                         strFileName & " ', " & _
>                         strFileSize & ", #" & _
>                         datDateCreated & "#, #" & _
>                         datDateModified & "#, #" & _
>                         datDateAccessed & "#"
>                 ' Insert the record
>                 rst.Execute
>            Next I
>             MsgBox "Done. " & .FoundFiles.Count & " Records were added"
>         Else
>             MsgBox "No Files Found"
>         End If
>     End With
>
>
> cmdFileObject_EXIT:
>
>     On Error Resume Next
>     DoCmd.Hourglass False
>     Set rst = Nothing
>     Exit Sub
>
> cmdFileObject_ERR:
>
>     If Err.Number = 70 Then ' Permission denied
>         Resume Next
>     End If
>     MsgBox Error$
>
> End Sub
>
> John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
> Always Looking For Contract Opportunities
>
> Home: 253.588.2139
> Cell: 253.307/2947
> 9306 Farwest Dr SW
> Lakewood, WA 98498
>
> "Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
>                 and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:56 AM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
> Well I'm running Office XP on WXP w/ Service Pack 1.
>
> I can't think of any specific settings which would lead to the exclusion
of
> the particular databases I'm missing :(
>
> Roz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 16:48
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
> That's interesting, Roz.  I just pulled your code out, changed the path to
> point to a folder on my machine with mdbs in it, and got a zero for the
> FoundFiles count.  And I had the same problem with Rocky's sample
database.
> It has to be a setting that is causing the failures some of us are
> experiencing.  Now, if we could just figure out what it is ... :o{
>
> Rocky, any suggestions?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:27 AM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
>
> Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but
> Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:
>
>   Dim varItem As Variant
>   With Application.FileSearch
>     .NewSearch
>     .SearchSubFolders = True
>     .FileName = "*.mdb"
>     .LookIn = "G:\"
>     .Execute
>     'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
>     DoCmd.SetWarnings False
>     For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
>         strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & varItem &
"'
> )"
>         'Debug.Print strSQL
>         DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
>     Next varItem
>   End With
>
> This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any date
> info. But that's fine, I can live with that.
>
> What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it (yes,
I
> know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but the
> .FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked in any
> sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky behaviour you
> guys have experienced?!
>
> Roz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
> Find Files db
>
>
> Was curious about the code.  Standing by...
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
> Find Files db
>
>
> > The email or the code?
> >
> > I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out yet
> > - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and
> > now have
> a
> > stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
> >
> > I'll let you know!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > did it work?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > cheers
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with a
> > > .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable.
> > > Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Roz:
> > > >
> > > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > > >
> > > > Do you have another email address that might let these go through?
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector"
> > > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > > > unreadable.
> > > Find
> > > > Files db
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company
> > > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > > >
> > > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May 21 10:19:10 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 08:19:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] does Access allow Replace in sql window ?
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FA6@infoserver01.infostat.local>

There is a replace() function in Access 2000 and later, if that is what
you are thinking of.

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 6:09 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] does Access allow Replace in sql window ?


I was pretty sure that it does, but I can't seem to remember/find how. I
need something like this

Edit tblTableName

Select *

Replace "Mash*" with "Masha"




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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed May 21 10:27:18 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 16:27:18 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956A01@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Um. Interesting q, but we can't test it as all sorts of things will break if
we move them and the server will blow up up we copy them.

What we can try, I guess, is move a couple of them from a 'not found' dir
into a 'found' dir and see if we get them... My gut feeling is it's the
directories not the files, since where it returns anything from a dir it
returns everything - all or nothing so to say.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: 21 May 2003 16:18
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Roz:

What would happen if you moved all of the databases into a test directory.
Would the code retrieve all of them?  I'm wondering if its the directory
structure that's confusing the code or something about the dbs that are not
being retrieved.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:02 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


> I don't think you silly whatsoever.
>
> The other 128 databases are in directories and subdirectories which 
> sit alongside those which are successfully being searched (all in one 
> root directory with no shares or other malarkey involved) There are no
different
> permissions on any of the folders or databases being ignored versus 
> those being returned. The user(s) testing the code have full 
> administrator permissions.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com]
> Sent: 21 May 2003 15:47
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
> Roz,
>
> Please don't think me silly, but...are the other 128 databases in 
> directories that were not specified in the .LookIn property.  Does the 
> person running the code have access to the directories that the other 
> databases are located?
>
>
>
> John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
> Always Looking For Contract Opportunities
>
> www.noclassroom.com
> Live software training
> Right over the Internet
>
> Home: 253.588.2139
> Cell: 253.307/2947
> 9306 Farwest Dr SW
> Lakewood, WA 98498
>
> "Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
> and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 7:24 AM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
> John
>
> Thanks for this, Karen reports that it works beautifully in terms of 
> bringing back the additional info. It still only returns 152 of our 
> 280 databases though! Gah!
>
> Roz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 18:11
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
> Here's code that I tested and it seems to be working.  I have a table
called
> tbl_Files in which I want to place the name of the database found, the 
> directory it is located, it's size, when it was created, when it was 
> last modified, and when it was last accessed.
>
> Private Sub cmdFileObject_Click()
> ' Provides the user Path, File Name,
> ' and File Size
> ' Insure there is a reference to the
> ' Microsoft Scripting Runtime
> ' Access 2000/2002
>     On Error GoTo cmdFileObject_ERR
>
>     Dim rst As ADODB.Command
>     Dim fso As FileSystemObject
>     Dim f1 As File
>     Dim strFilePath As String
>     Dim strFileName As String
>     Dim strFileSize As String
>     Dim datDateCreated As Date
>     Dim datDateModified As Date
>     Dim datDateAccessed As Date
>     Dim I As Double
>
>     Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
>     Set rst = New ADODB.Command
>
>     DoCmd.Hourglass True
>     ' Create a recordset
>     With rst
>         .ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection
>         .CommandType = adCmdText
>         ' Create the SQL to delete any records in the table tbl_Files
>         .CommandText = "DELETE * FROM tbl_Files"
>         ' Delete the records
>         .Execute
>     End With
>
>     With Application.FileSearch
>         .NewSearch
>
>   ' There are over 50 subfolders where the databases reside
>   ' in this My work directory.
>         .LookIn = "D:\Documents and Settings\John\My Documents\My 
> Work"
>
>         ' I want to search for all files that have .mda, .mdb, .mde
>         ' and .ldb in their name.  Place a semicolon between each
>         ' file type so that the FilesSearch will search all that
>         ' you have specified
>         .FileName = "*.mda; *.mdb; *.mde; *.ldb"
>
>         .MatchTextExactly = False
>
>   ' FileType not required if you are using .FileName
>   ' with an extension
>  '       .FileType = msoFileTypeAllFiles
>
>   ' Search all subfolders of My Work
>         .SearchSubFolders = True
>
>         If .Execute() > 0 Then
>             For I = 1 To .FoundFiles.Count
>
>                 Set f1 = fso.GetFile(.FoundFiles(I))
>
>                 strFilePath = f1.ParentFolder
>                 strFileName = f1.Name
>                 strFileSize = f1.Size / 1000 ' Convert to KB
>                 datDateCreated = f1.DateCreated
>                 datDateModified = f1.DateLastModified
>                 datDateAccessed = f1.DateLastAccessed
>
>                 DoEvents
>
>                 ' SQL statement to insert the data into the tbl_Files
table
>                 rst.CommandText = "INSERT INTO tbl_Files " & _
>                         "(FilePath, FileName, FileSize, DateCreated, " & _
>                         "DateLastModified, DateLastAccessed) " & _
>                         "SELECT '" & _
>                         strFilePath & "', '" & _
>                         strFileName & " ', " & _
>                         strFileSize & ", #" & _
>                         datDateCreated & "#, #" & _
>                         datDateModified & "#, #" & _
>                         datDateAccessed & "#"
>                 ' Insert the record
>                 rst.Execute
>            Next I
>             MsgBox "Done. " & .FoundFiles.Count & " Records were added"
>         Else
>             MsgBox "No Files Found"
>         End If
>     End With
>
>
> cmdFileObject_EXIT:
>
>     On Error Resume Next
>     DoCmd.Hourglass False
>     Set rst = Nothing
>     Exit Sub
>
> cmdFileObject_ERR:
>
>     If Err.Number = 70 Then ' Permission denied
>         Resume Next
>     End If
>     MsgBox Error$
>
> End Sub
>
> John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
> Always Looking For Contract Opportunities
>
> Home: 253.588.2139
> Cell: 253.307/2947
> 9306 Farwest Dr SW
> Lakewood, WA 98498
>
> "Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
>                 and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:56 AM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
> Well I'm running Office XP on WXP w/ Service Pack 1.
>
> I can't think of any specific settings which would lead to the 
> exclusion
of
> the particular databases I'm missing :(
>
> Roz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 16:48
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
> That's interesting, Roz.  I just pulled your code out, changed the 
> path to point to a folder on my machine with mdbs in it, and got a 
> zero for the FoundFiles count.  And I had the same problem with 
> Rocky's sample
database.
> It has to be a setting that is causing the failures some of us are 
> experiencing.  Now, if we could just figure out what it is ... :o{
>
> Rocky, any suggestions?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:27 AM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
>
> Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but 
> Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:
>
>   Dim varItem As Variant
>   With Application.FileSearch
>     .NewSearch
>     .SearchSubFolders = True
>     .FileName = "*.mdb"
>     .LookIn = "G:\"
>     .Execute
>     'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
>     DoCmd.SetWarnings False
>     For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
>         strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & 
> varItem &
"'
> )"
>         'Debug.Print strSQL
>         DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
>     Next varItem
>   End With
>
> This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any 
> date info. But that's fine, I can live with that.
>
> What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it 
> (yes,
I
> know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but the 
> .FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked in 
> any sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky 
> behaviour you guys have experienced?!
>
> Roz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> Was curious about the code.  Standing by...
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> > The email or the code?
> >
> > I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out 
> > yet
> > - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and
> > now have
> a
> > stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
> >
> > I'll let you know!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > did it work?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > cheers
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with 
> > > a .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable.
> > > Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Roz:
> > > >
> > > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > > >
> > > > Do you have another email address that might let these go 
> > > > through?
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector" 
> > > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > > unreadable.
> > > Find
> > > > Files db
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company 
> > > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > > >
> > > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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From delliker at hotmail.com  Wed May 21 10:27:25 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 11:27:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Remembering place on a datasheet
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May 21 10:32:05 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 08:32:05 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C33A@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Um, if you're already in a method of the object, why do you need to hit
shift+F2?  And is this VS.Net or VS 6?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 6:02 AM
To: VBA; AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method


In Access placing the insertion pointer in a method of an object and
hitting shft-F2 takes you to that method of that object (to the code).
It actually takes you to anything, variable etc.  According to the help
file "shortcut keys" this is supposed to work in the Visual Studio
editor as well, and I could swear that I have used it, but I am not
getting it to work now.  Is this supposed to work the same way as in the
Access VBA editor?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed May 21 10:32:17 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 16:32:17 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956A03@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Yep, as expected, when we move the files into one of the directories it
likes, it finds it OK.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com] 
Sent: 21 May 2003 16:18
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Roz:

What would happen if you moved all of the databases into a test directory.
Would the code retrieve all of them?  I'm wondering if its the directory
structure that's confusing the code or something about the dbs that are not
being retrieved.

Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:02 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


> I don't think you silly whatsoever.
>
> The other 128 databases are in directories and subdirectories which 
> sit alongside those which are successfully being searched (all in one 
> root directory with no shares or other malarkey involved) There are no
different
> permissions on any of the folders or databases being ignored versus 
> those being returned. The user(s) testing the code have full 
> administrator permissions.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com]
> Sent: 21 May 2003 15:47
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
> Roz,
>
> Please don't think me silly, but...are the other 128 databases in 
> directories that were not specified in the .LookIn property.  Does the 
> person running the code have access to the directories that the other 
> databases are located?
>
>
>
> John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
> Always Looking For Contract Opportunities
>
> www.noclassroom.com
> Live software training
> Right over the Internet
>
> Home: 253.588.2139
> Cell: 253.307/2947
> 9306 Farwest Dr SW
> Lakewood, WA 98498
>
> "Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
> and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 7:24 AM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
> John
>
> Thanks for this, Karen reports that it works beautifully in terms of 
> bringing back the additional info. It still only returns 152 of our 
> 280 databases though! Gah!
>
> Roz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 18:11
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
> Here's code that I tested and it seems to be working.  I have a table
called
> tbl_Files in which I want to place the name of the database found, the 
> directory it is located, it's size, when it was created, when it was 
> last modified, and when it was last accessed.
>
> Private Sub cmdFileObject_Click()
> ' Provides the user Path, File Name,
> ' and File Size
> ' Insure there is a reference to the
> ' Microsoft Scripting Runtime
> ' Access 2000/2002
>     On Error GoTo cmdFileObject_ERR
>
>     Dim rst As ADODB.Command
>     Dim fso As FileSystemObject
>     Dim f1 As File
>     Dim strFilePath As String
>     Dim strFileName As String
>     Dim strFileSize As String
>     Dim datDateCreated As Date
>     Dim datDateModified As Date
>     Dim datDateAccessed As Date
>     Dim I As Double
>
>     Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
>     Set rst = New ADODB.Command
>
>     DoCmd.Hourglass True
>     ' Create a recordset
>     With rst
>         .ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection
>         .CommandType = adCmdText
>         ' Create the SQL to delete any records in the table tbl_Files
>         .CommandText = "DELETE * FROM tbl_Files"
>         ' Delete the records
>         .Execute
>     End With
>
>     With Application.FileSearch
>         .NewSearch
>
>   ' There are over 50 subfolders where the databases reside
>   ' in this My work directory.
>         .LookIn = "D:\Documents and Settings\John\My Documents\My 
> Work"
>
>         ' I want to search for all files that have .mda, .mdb, .mde
>         ' and .ldb in their name.  Place a semicolon between each
>         ' file type so that the FilesSearch will search all that
>         ' you have specified
>         .FileName = "*.mda; *.mdb; *.mde; *.ldb"
>
>         .MatchTextExactly = False
>
>   ' FileType not required if you are using .FileName
>   ' with an extension
>  '       .FileType = msoFileTypeAllFiles
>
>   ' Search all subfolders of My Work
>         .SearchSubFolders = True
>
>         If .Execute() > 0 Then
>             For I = 1 To .FoundFiles.Count
>
>                 Set f1 = fso.GetFile(.FoundFiles(I))
>
>                 strFilePath = f1.ParentFolder
>                 strFileName = f1.Name
>                 strFileSize = f1.Size / 1000 ' Convert to KB
>                 datDateCreated = f1.DateCreated
>                 datDateModified = f1.DateLastModified
>                 datDateAccessed = f1.DateLastAccessed
>
>                 DoEvents
>
>                 ' SQL statement to insert the data into the tbl_Files
table
>                 rst.CommandText = "INSERT INTO tbl_Files " & _
>                         "(FilePath, FileName, FileSize, DateCreated, " & _
>                         "DateLastModified, DateLastAccessed) " & _
>                         "SELECT '" & _
>                         strFilePath & "', '" & _
>                         strFileName & " ', " & _
>                         strFileSize & ", #" & _
>                         datDateCreated & "#, #" & _
>                         datDateModified & "#, #" & _
>                         datDateAccessed & "#"
>                 ' Insert the record
>                 rst.Execute
>            Next I
>             MsgBox "Done. " & .FoundFiles.Count & " Records were added"
>         Else
>             MsgBox "No Files Found"
>         End If
>     End With
>
>
> cmdFileObject_EXIT:
>
>     On Error Resume Next
>     DoCmd.Hourglass False
>     Set rst = Nothing
>     Exit Sub
>
> cmdFileObject_ERR:
>
>     If Err.Number = 70 Then ' Permission denied
>         Resume Next
>     End If
>     MsgBox Error$
>
> End Sub
>
> John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
> Always Looking For Contract Opportunities
>
> Home: 253.588.2139
> Cell: 253.307/2947
> 9306 Farwest Dr SW
> Lakewood, WA 98498
>
> "Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
>                 and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:56 AM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
> Well I'm running Office XP on WXP w/ Service Pack 1.
>
> I can't think of any specific settings which would lead to the 
> exclusion
of
> the particular databases I'm missing :(
>
> Roz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 16:48
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
> That's interesting, Roz.  I just pulled your code out, changed the 
> path to point to a folder on my machine with mdbs in it, and got a 
> zero for the FoundFiles count.  And I had the same problem with 
> Rocky's sample
database.
> It has to be a setting that is causing the failures some of us are 
> experiencing.  Now, if we could just figure out what it is ... :o{
>
> Rocky, any suggestions?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:27 AM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
>
> Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but 
> Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:
>
>   Dim varItem As Variant
>   With Application.FileSearch
>     .NewSearch
>     .SearchSubFolders = True
>     .FileName = "*.mdb"
>     .LookIn = "G:\"
>     .Execute
>     'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
>     DoCmd.SetWarnings False
>     For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
>         strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & 
> varItem &
"'
> )"
>         'Debug.Print strSQL
>         DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
>     Next varItem
>   End With
>
> This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any 
> date info. But that's fine, I can live with that.
>
> What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it 
> (yes,
I
> know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but the 
> .FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked in 
> any sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky 
> behaviour you guys have experienced?!
>
> Roz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> Was curious about the code.  Standing by...
>
> Rocky
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> > The email or the code?
> >
> > I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out 
> > yet
> > - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and
> > now have
> a
> > stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
> >
> > I'll let you know!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > did it work?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > cheers
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with 
> > > a .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable.
> > > Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Roz:
> > > >
> > > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > > >
> > > > Do you have another email address that might let these go 
> > > > through?
> > > >
> > > > Rocky
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector" 
> > > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > > unreadable.
> > > Find
> > > > Files db
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company 
> > > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > > >
> > > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed May 21 10:39:41 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 16:39:41 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956A04@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

OK... My original code returns all the files from that directory plus some
files from a couple of other directories we *didn't* ask it to look in...

Your code finds them all spot-on, but only if we specify the lowest level
directory.

Adding the asterisk on the end dint help. :(

-----Original Message-----
From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
Sent: 21 May 2003 16:14
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


OK,

My next question, if you change the .LookIn property to search those
specific directories that the 182 dbs are in, is the program adding them to
the table?

But before you try that, if you haven't already, try this; change the LookIn
property from

        .FileName = "*.mda; *.mdb; *.mde; *.ldb"

To

        .FileName = "*.mda*; *.mdb*; *.mde*; *.ldb*"	' (place an
asterisk at the end of each ext)


  

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:02 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


I don't think you silly whatsoever.

The other 128 databases are in directories and subdirectories which sit
alongside those which are successfully being searched (all in one root
directory with no shares or other malarkey involved) There are no different
permissions on any of the folders or databases being ignored versus those
being returned. The user(s) testing the code have full administrator
permissions.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
Sent: 21 May 2003 15:47
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Roz,

Please don't think me silly, but...are the other 128 databases in
directories that were not specified in the .LookIn property.  Does the
person running the code have access to the directories that the other
databases are located?



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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 7:24 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


John

Thanks for this, Karen reports that it works beautifully in terms of
bringing back the additional info. It still only returns 152 of our 280
databases though! Gah!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 18:11
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Here's code that I tested and it seems to be working.  I have a table called
tbl_Files in which I want to place the name of the database found, the
directory it is located, it's size, when it was created, when it was last
modified, and when it was last accessed.

Private Sub cmdFileObject_Click()
' Provides the user Path, File Name,
' and File Size
' Insure there is a reference to the
' Microsoft Scripting Runtime
' Access 2000/2002
    On Error GoTo cmdFileObject_ERR

    Dim rst As ADODB.Command
    Dim fso As FileSystemObject
    Dim f1 As File
    Dim strFilePath As String
    Dim strFileName As String
    Dim strFileSize As String
    Dim datDateCreated As Date
    Dim datDateModified As Date
    Dim datDateAccessed As Date
    Dim I As Double

    Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
    Set rst = New ADODB.Command

    DoCmd.Hourglass True
    ' Create a recordset
    With rst
        .ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection
        .CommandType = adCmdText
        ' Create the SQL to delete any records in the table tbl_Files
        .CommandText = "DELETE * FROM tbl_Files"
        ' Delete the records
        .Execute
    End With

    With Application.FileSearch
        .NewSearch

	  ' There are over 50 subfolders where the databases reside
	  ' in this My work directory.
        .LookIn = "D:\Documents and Settings\John\My Documents\My Work"

        ' I want to search for all files that have .mda, .mdb, .mde
        ' and .ldb in their name.  Place a semicolon between each
        ' file type so that the FilesSearch will search all that
        ' you have specified
        .FileName = "*.mda; *.mdb; *.mde; *.ldb"

        .MatchTextExactly = False

	  ' FileType not required if you are using .FileName
	  ' with an extension
 '       .FileType = msoFileTypeAllFiles

	  ' Search all subfolders of My Work
        .SearchSubFolders = True

        If .Execute() > 0 Then
            For I = 1 To .FoundFiles.Count

                Set f1 = fso.GetFile(.FoundFiles(I))

                strFilePath = f1.ParentFolder
                strFileName = f1.Name
                strFileSize = f1.Size / 1000 ' Convert to KB
                datDateCreated = f1.DateCreated
                datDateModified = f1.DateLastModified
                datDateAccessed = f1.DateLastAccessed

                DoEvents

                ' SQL statement to insert the data into the tbl_Files table
                rst.CommandText = "INSERT INTO tbl_Files " & _
                        "(FilePath, FileName, FileSize, DateCreated, " & _
                        "DateLastModified, DateLastAccessed) " & _
                        "SELECT '" & _
                        strFilePath & "', '" & _
                        strFileName & " ', " & _
                        strFileSize & ", #" & _
                        datDateCreated & "#, #" & _
                        datDateModified & "#, #" & _
                        datDateAccessed & "#"
                ' Insert the record
                rst.Execute
           Next I
            MsgBox "Done. " & .FoundFiles.Count & " Records were added"
        Else
            MsgBox "No Files Found"
        End If
    End With


cmdFileObject_EXIT:

    On Error Resume Next
    DoCmd.Hourglass False
    Set rst = Nothing
    Exit Sub

cmdFileObject_ERR:

    If Err.Number = 70 Then ' Permission denied
        Resume Next
    End If
    MsgBox Error$

End Sub

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:56 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Well I'm running Office XP on WXP w/ Service Pack 1.

I can't think of any specific settings which would lead to the exclusion of
the particular databases I'm missing :(

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: 20 May 2003 16:48
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


That's interesting, Roz.  I just pulled your code out, changed the path to
point to a folder on my machine with mdbs in it, and got a zero for the
FoundFiles count.  And I had the same problem with Rocky's sample database.
It has to be a setting that is causing the failures some of us are
experiencing.  Now, if we could just figure out what it is ... :o{

Rocky, any suggestions?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:27 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames



Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but
Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:

  Dim varItem As Variant
  With Application.FileSearch
    .NewSearch
    .SearchSubFolders = True
    .FileName = "*.mdb"
    .LookIn = "G:\"
    .Execute
    'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
        strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & varItem & "'
)"
        'Debug.Print strSQL
        DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
    Next varItem
  End With

This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any date
info. But that's fine, I can live with that.

What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it (yes, I
know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but the
.FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked in any
sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky behaviour you
guys have experienced?!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
To: Roz Clarke
Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


Was curious about the code.  Standing by...

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


> The email or the code?
>
> I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out yet
> - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and 
> now have
a
> stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
>
> I'll let you know!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> did it work?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> > cheers
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with a 
> > .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.
> > Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > >
> > >
> > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software 
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Roz:
> > >
> > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > >
> > > Do you have another email address that might let these go through?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector" 
> > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable.
> > Find
> > > Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company 
> > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > >
> > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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From Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com  Wed May 21 10:48:52 2003
From: Rich_Lavsa at pghcorning.com (Lavsa, Rich)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 11:48:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] does Access allow Replace in sql window ?
Message-ID: <833956F5C117124A89417638FDB11290EBCE84@goexchange.pghcorning.com>

Why not try an update query.. 

fill in the appropriate TableName and Fieldnames... 
please back up before you try and it, if you try it..

something like this I think will work..

UPDATE TableName SET TableName.FieldName = "Masha"
WHERE (((TableName.FieldName)="Mash"));



-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 10:09 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] does Access allow Replace in sql window ?


I was pretty sure that it does, but I can't seem to remember/find how.
I need something like this

Edit tblTableName

Select *

Replace "Mash*" with "Masha"




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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed May 21 10:49:41 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 16:49:41 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956A05@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Interesting fact just spotted... All of the directories it doesn't look in
are those which come after M in the alphabet and are coming from the root
folder, and their sub-directories.

It's as if it gets so far and just stops. Any way to troubleshoot what it's
doing? Why it's breaking?

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: 21 May 2003 16:40
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


OK... My original code returns all the files from that directory plus some
files from a couple of other directories we *didn't* ask it to look in...

Your code finds them all spot-on, but only if we specify the lowest level
directory.

Adding the asterisk on the end dint help. :(

-----Original Message-----
From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
Sent: 21 May 2003 16:14
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


OK,

My next question, if you change the .LookIn property to search those
specific directories that the 182 dbs are in, is the program adding them to
the table?

But before you try that, if you haven't already, try this; change the LookIn
property from

        .FileName = "*.mda; *.mdb; *.mde; *.ldb"

To

        .FileName = "*.mda*; *.mdb*; *.mde*; *.ldb*"	' (place an
asterisk at the end of each ext)


  

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:02 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


I don't think you silly whatsoever.

The other 128 databases are in directories and subdirectories which sit
alongside those which are successfully being searched (all in one root
directory with no shares or other malarkey involved) There are no different
permissions on any of the folders or databases being ignored versus those
being returned. The user(s) testing the code have full administrator
permissions.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
Sent: 21 May 2003 15:47
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Roz,

Please don't think me silly, but...are the other 128 databases in
directories that were not specified in the .LookIn property.  Does the
person running the code have access to the directories that the other
databases are located?



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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 7:24 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


John

Thanks for this, Karen reports that it works beautifully in terms of
bringing back the additional info. It still only returns 152 of our 280
databases though! Gah!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 18:11
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Here's code that I tested and it seems to be working.  I have a table called
tbl_Files in which I want to place the name of the database found, the
directory it is located, it's size, when it was created, when it was last
modified, and when it was last accessed.

Private Sub cmdFileObject_Click()
' Provides the user Path, File Name,
' and File Size
' Insure there is a reference to the
' Microsoft Scripting Runtime
' Access 2000/2002
    On Error GoTo cmdFileObject_ERR

    Dim rst As ADODB.Command
    Dim fso As FileSystemObject
    Dim f1 As File
    Dim strFilePath As String
    Dim strFileName As String
    Dim strFileSize As String
    Dim datDateCreated As Date
    Dim datDateModified As Date
    Dim datDateAccessed As Date
    Dim I As Double

    Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
    Set rst = New ADODB.Command

    DoCmd.Hourglass True
    ' Create a recordset
    With rst
        .ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection
        .CommandType = adCmdText
        ' Create the SQL to delete any records in the table tbl_Files
        .CommandText = "DELETE * FROM tbl_Files"
        ' Delete the records
        .Execute
    End With

    With Application.FileSearch
        .NewSearch

	  ' There are over 50 subfolders where the databases reside
	  ' in this My work directory.
        .LookIn = "D:\Documents and Settings\John\My Documents\My Work"

        ' I want to search for all files that have .mda, .mdb, .mde
        ' and .ldb in their name.  Place a semicolon between each
        ' file type so that the FilesSearch will search all that
        ' you have specified
        .FileName = "*.mda; *.mdb; *.mde; *.ldb"

        .MatchTextExactly = False

	  ' FileType not required if you are using .FileName
	  ' with an extension
 '       .FileType = msoFileTypeAllFiles

	  ' Search all subfolders of My Work
        .SearchSubFolders = True

        If .Execute() > 0 Then
            For I = 1 To .FoundFiles.Count

                Set f1 = fso.GetFile(.FoundFiles(I))

                strFilePath = f1.ParentFolder
                strFileName = f1.Name
                strFileSize = f1.Size / 1000 ' Convert to KB
                datDateCreated = f1.DateCreated
                datDateModified = f1.DateLastModified
                datDateAccessed = f1.DateLastAccessed

                DoEvents

                ' SQL statement to insert the data into the tbl_Files table
                rst.CommandText = "INSERT INTO tbl_Files " & _
                        "(FilePath, FileName, FileSize, DateCreated, " & _
                        "DateLastModified, DateLastAccessed) " & _
                        "SELECT '" & _
                        strFilePath & "', '" & _
                        strFileName & " ', " & _
                        strFileSize & ", #" & _
                        datDateCreated & "#, #" & _
                        datDateModified & "#, #" & _
                        datDateAccessed & "#"
                ' Insert the record
                rst.Execute
           Next I
            MsgBox "Done. " & .FoundFiles.Count & " Records were added"
        Else
            MsgBox "No Files Found"
        End If
    End With


cmdFileObject_EXIT:

    On Error Resume Next
    DoCmd.Hourglass False
    Set rst = Nothing
    Exit Sub

cmdFileObject_ERR:

    If Err.Number = 70 Then ' Permission denied
        Resume Next
    End If
    MsgBox Error$

End Sub

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:56 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Well I'm running Office XP on WXP w/ Service Pack 1.

I can't think of any specific settings which would lead to the exclusion of
the particular databases I'm missing :(

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: 20 May 2003 16:48
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


That's interesting, Roz.  I just pulled your code out, changed the path to
point to a folder on my machine with mdbs in it, and got a zero for the
FoundFiles count.  And I had the same problem with Rocky's sample database.
It has to be a setting that is causing the failures some of us are
experiencing.  Now, if we could just figure out what it is ... :o{

Rocky, any suggestions?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:27 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames



Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but
Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:

  Dim varItem As Variant
  With Application.FileSearch
    .NewSearch
    .SearchSubFolders = True
    .FileName = "*.mdb"
    .LookIn = "G:\"
    .Execute
    'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
        strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & varItem & "'
)"
        'Debug.Print strSQL
        DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
    Next varItem
  End With

This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any date
info. But that's fine, I can live with that.

What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it (yes, I
know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but the
.FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked in any
sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky behaviour you
guys have experienced?!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
To: Roz Clarke
Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


Was curious about the code.  Standing by...

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


> The email or the code?
>
> I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out yet
> - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and
> now have
a
> stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
>
> I'll let you know!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> did it work?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> > cheers
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with a
> > .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.
> > Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > >
> > >
> > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Roz:
> > >
> > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > >
> > > Do you have another email address that might let these go through?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector"
> > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable.
> > Find
> > > Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company
> > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > >
> > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Wed May 21 10:51:27 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 16:51:27 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956A06@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

PS it returns FILES in the root folder starting with N-Z, just not anything
in folders. Does it return files first before looking in folders? They don't
get written into the table in any particular order.

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: 21 May 2003 16:40
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


OK... My original code returns all the files from that directory plus some
files from a couple of other directories we *didn't* ask it to look in...

Your code finds them all spot-on, but only if we specify the lowest level
directory.

Adding the asterisk on the end dint help. :(

-----Original Message-----
From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
Sent: 21 May 2003 16:14
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


OK,

My next question, if you change the .LookIn property to search those
specific directories that the 182 dbs are in, is the program adding them to
the table?

But before you try that, if you haven't already, try this; change the LookIn
property from

        .FileName = "*.mda; *.mdb; *.mde; *.ldb"

To

        .FileName = "*.mda*; *.mdb*; *.mde*; *.ldb*"	' (place an
asterisk at the end of each ext)


  

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:02 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


I don't think you silly whatsoever.

The other 128 databases are in directories and subdirectories which sit
alongside those which are successfully being searched (all in one root
directory with no shares or other malarkey involved) There are no different
permissions on any of the folders or databases being ignored versus those
being returned. The user(s) testing the code have full administrator
permissions.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
Sent: 21 May 2003 15:47
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Roz,

Please don't think me silly, but...are the other 128 databases in
directories that were not specified in the .LookIn property.  Does the
person running the code have access to the directories that the other
databases are located?



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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 7:24 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


John

Thanks for this, Karen reports that it works beautifully in terms of
bringing back the additional info. It still only returns 152 of our 280
databases though! Gah!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 18:11
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Here's code that I tested and it seems to be working.  I have a table called
tbl_Files in which I want to place the name of the database found, the
directory it is located, it's size, when it was created, when it was last
modified, and when it was last accessed.

Private Sub cmdFileObject_Click()
' Provides the user Path, File Name,
' and File Size
' Insure there is a reference to the
' Microsoft Scripting Runtime
' Access 2000/2002
    On Error GoTo cmdFileObject_ERR

    Dim rst As ADODB.Command
    Dim fso As FileSystemObject
    Dim f1 As File
    Dim strFilePath As String
    Dim strFileName As String
    Dim strFileSize As String
    Dim datDateCreated As Date
    Dim datDateModified As Date
    Dim datDateAccessed As Date
    Dim I As Double

    Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
    Set rst = New ADODB.Command

    DoCmd.Hourglass True
    ' Create a recordset
    With rst
        .ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection
        .CommandType = adCmdText
        ' Create the SQL to delete any records in the table tbl_Files
        .CommandText = "DELETE * FROM tbl_Files"
        ' Delete the records
        .Execute
    End With

    With Application.FileSearch
        .NewSearch

	  ' There are over 50 subfolders where the databases reside
	  ' in this My work directory.
        .LookIn = "D:\Documents and Settings\John\My Documents\My Work"

        ' I want to search for all files that have .mda, .mdb, .mde
        ' and .ldb in their name.  Place a semicolon between each
        ' file type so that the FilesSearch will search all that
        ' you have specified
        .FileName = "*.mda; *.mdb; *.mde; *.ldb"

        .MatchTextExactly = False

	  ' FileType not required if you are using .FileName
	  ' with an extension
 '       .FileType = msoFileTypeAllFiles

	  ' Search all subfolders of My Work
        .SearchSubFolders = True

        If .Execute() > 0 Then
            For I = 1 To .FoundFiles.Count

                Set f1 = fso.GetFile(.FoundFiles(I))

                strFilePath = f1.ParentFolder
                strFileName = f1.Name
                strFileSize = f1.Size / 1000 ' Convert to KB
                datDateCreated = f1.DateCreated
                datDateModified = f1.DateLastModified
                datDateAccessed = f1.DateLastAccessed

                DoEvents

                ' SQL statement to insert the data into the tbl_Files table
                rst.CommandText = "INSERT INTO tbl_Files " & _
                        "(FilePath, FileName, FileSize, DateCreated, " & _
                        "DateLastModified, DateLastAccessed) " & _
                        "SELECT '" & _
                        strFilePath & "', '" & _
                        strFileName & " ', " & _
                        strFileSize & ", #" & _
                        datDateCreated & "#, #" & _
                        datDateModified & "#, #" & _
                        datDateAccessed & "#"
                ' Insert the record
                rst.Execute
           Next I
            MsgBox "Done. " & .FoundFiles.Count & " Records were added"
        Else
            MsgBox "No Files Found"
        End If
    End With


cmdFileObject_EXIT:

    On Error Resume Next
    DoCmd.Hourglass False
    Set rst = Nothing
    Exit Sub

cmdFileObject_ERR:

    If Err.Number = 70 Then ' Permission denied
        Resume Next
    End If
    MsgBox Error$

End Sub

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:56 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Well I'm running Office XP on WXP w/ Service Pack 1.

I can't think of any specific settings which would lead to the exclusion of
the particular databases I'm missing :(

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: 20 May 2003 16:48
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


That's interesting, Roz.  I just pulled your code out, changed the path to
point to a folder on my machine with mdbs in it, and got a zero for the
FoundFiles count.  And I had the same problem with Rocky's sample database.
It has to be a setting that is causing the failures some of us are
experiencing.  Now, if we could just figure out what it is ... :o{

Rocky, any suggestions?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:27 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames



Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but
Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:

  Dim varItem As Variant
  With Application.FileSearch
    .NewSearch
    .SearchSubFolders = True
    .FileName = "*.mdb"
    .LookIn = "G:\"
    .Execute
    'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
        strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & varItem & "'
)"
        'Debug.Print strSQL
        DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
    Next varItem
  End With

This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any date
info. But that's fine, I can live with that.

What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it (yes, I
know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but the
.FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked in any
sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky behaviour you
guys have experienced?!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
To: Roz Clarke
Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


Was curious about the code.  Standing by...

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


> The email or the code?
>
> I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out yet
> - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and
> now have
a
> stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
>
> I'll let you know!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> did it work?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> > cheers
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with a
> > .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.
> > Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > >
> > >
> > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Roz:
> > >
> > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > >
> > > Do you have another email address that might let these go through?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector"
> > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable.
> > Find
> > > Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company
> > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > >
> > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed May 21 10:51:53 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 11:51:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C33A@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEEFDNAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Shft F2 is supposed to take you to the object under the cursor (for editing,
not "stepping" in debug).  So if I am in functionA and am writing the text
MyObj.MyMethod, I place the cursor over .MyMethod and hit Shft-F2 and the
editor moves the focus to that method.  It is a quick and easy way to go
look at the code, open the module etc.

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 11:32 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method


Um, if you're already in a method of the object, why do you need to hit
shift+F2?  And is this VS.Net or VS 6?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 6:02 AM
To: VBA; AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method


In Access placing the insertion pointer in a method of an object and
hitting shft-F2 takes you to that method of that object (to the code).
It actually takes you to anything, variable etc.  According to the help
file "shortcut keys" this is supposed to work in the Visual Studio
editor as well, and I could swear that I have used it, but I am not
getting it to work now.  Is this supposed to work the same way as in the
Access VBA editor?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Wed May 21 10:58:43 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 08:58:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
In-Reply-To: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F3583C@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <20030521155843.69041.qmail@web13403.mail.yahoo.com>

I have two ferrets now....Herding them is sorta like
herding cats....hehehe

It was easier to herd my iguanas....heheeh

--- "Wortz, Charles" <CWortz at tea.state.tx.us> wrote:
> A juicy tidbit at the spot where you want the ferret
> to go will work.
> 
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elam, Debbie [mailto:DElam at jenkens.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 21 08:17
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> lines
> 
> Yes but how would you get them to stop playing with
> the cable, much less
> get them out the correct spot if at all.  I have
> heard ferrets were used
> to string cable in tight places, but I am still
> trying to figure out how
> they were trained.  Ferrets are smart, but do not
> take direction well,
> and consider anything and everything a toy.
> 
> Debbie
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nancy Lytle [mailto:nancy.lytle at auatac.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:27 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> lines
> 
> 
> On a lighter note, for those really tight places for
> stringing cables -
> walls and low ceilings-, why not use a ferret, they
> can get into the
> most unusual places, they work on the cheap, on the
> other hand they can
> be tempermental.
> 
> N Lytle :))
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:57 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> lines
> 
> 
> True enough - we only had to get across 2x4
> stringers, luckily the
> rafters/upper floor bearers (2x10) ran the other
> way.  The car
> negotiated the 2x4s without a problem.
> 
> I would NEVER suggest running data through power
> conduit.  Guess we were
> lucky again in that the house is full brick and
> there is a "fair" 10mm
> gap between the skins, the only obstacle to vertical
> drops being the
> brickies ties.  Brick veneer and etc with studded
> walls is always a
> problem for any vertical cabling - I usually have
> opted for "dress"
> conduit except in the rare cases where I felt the
> job was worth
> replastering the wall.
> 
> Bruce
> P.s. I have done it for a living.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> III
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:37 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> lines
> 
> 
> That works fine for an office build.  But RC cars
> don't work well in raftered house ceilings.  Most
> houses here use 2x6s or 2x8s for rafters.  Or at
> least
> most of the ones that I've seen.
> 
> If you're running network lines down the same
> conduit
> as electrical wiring you're violating about a dozen
> fire and safety codes.  Not to mention every basic
> rule of network wiring that there is.
> 
> Electrical wiring, ESPECIALLY two-phase and
> three-phase wiring emit large amounts of RF.  RF
> kills
> data integrity.  One of the most basic rules of
> network wiring is NEVER string your network wires
> across power conduits, junction boxes, or lighting
> fixtures.  Don't believe me?  Ask anyone that does
> it
> for a living.  You, physically, can do it, but you
> shouldn't.  You're asking for trouble.
> 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May 21 11:10:21 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 09:10:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FAA@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Ah, I didn't understand what you were describing.  So it doesn't work
that way in VS.Net?  It does in VS6.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 7:52 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method


Shft F2 is supposed to take you to the object under the cursor (for
editing, not "stepping" in debug).  So if I am in functionA and am
writing the text MyObj.MyMethod, I place the cursor over .MyMethod and
hit Shft-F2 and the editor moves the focus to that method.  It is a
quick and easy way to go look at the code, open the module etc.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 11:32 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method


Um, if you're already in a method of the object, why do you need to hit
shift+F2?  And is this VS.Net or VS 6?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 6:02 AM
To: VBA; AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method


In Access placing the insertion pointer in a method of an object and
hitting shft-F2 takes you to that method of that object (to the code).
It actually takes you to anything, variable etc.  According to the help
file "shortcut keys" this is supposed to work in the Visual Studio
editor as well, and I could swear that I have used it, but I am not
getting it to work now.  Is this supposed to work the same way as in the
Access VBA editor?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From delliker at hotmail.com  Wed May 21 11:15:35 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 12:15:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting an array from a calback function
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From nkling at co.montgomery.ny.us  Wed May 21 11:22:56 2003
From: nkling at co.montgomery.ny.us (Neal Kling)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 12:22:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting an array from a calback function
Message-ID: <0EAA9F4906BA554FA26E6F9F2C5403022BD5EB@elmo.co.montgomery.ny.us>

Here are various array sorting routines which I robbed from Neatcode.mdb
which is a sample database that has been floating around for years.
 
Neal Kling
Lotus, isn't that some kind of fancy flower?
 
Sub BubbleSort(A() As Integer)
'
' Slowest Sort: n^2 comparisons
'
' Calling convention:
'   Redim A(1 To 20) as Integer
'   BubbleSort A()
'
Dim i As Integer, J As Integer, Low As Integer, Hi As Integer, Temp As
Integer
  Low = LBound(A)
  Hi = UBound(A)
  For i = Low To Hi - 1
    For J = i + 1 To Hi
      If A(i) > A(J) Then
        Temp = A(i)
        A(i) = A(J)
        A(J) = Temp
      End If
    Next J
  Next i
End Sub
 
Sub BubbleSort2(A() As Integer)
'
' Slowest Sort: n^2 comparisons
' Implements early cut-off
'
' Calling convention:
'   Redim A(1 To 20) As Integer
'   BubbleSort2 A()
'
Dim i As Integer, J As Integer, Low As Integer, Hi As Integer
Dim Temp As Integer, Swapped As Integer
  Low = LBound(A)
  Hi = UBound(A)
  For i = Low To Hi - 1
    Swapped = False
    For J = i + 1 To Hi
      If A(i) > A(J) Then
        Temp = A(i)
        A(i) = A(J)
        A(J) = Temp
        Swapped = True
      End If
    Next J
    If Not Swapped Then Exit Sub
  Next i
End Sub
 

Sub QuickSort(A() As Integer, ByVal Low As Integer, ByVal Hi As Integer)
'
' Very fast sort: n Log n comparisons
'
' Calling convention:
'   Redim A(1 To 20) as Integer
'   QuickSort A(), 1, 20
'
Dim MidValue As Integer, i As Integer, J As Integer, Temp As Integer
  If Hi <= Low Then Exit Sub
  MidValue = A((Low + Hi) \ 2)
  i = Low
  J = Hi
  Do While i <= J
    If A(i) >= MidValue And A(J) <= MidValue Then
      Temp = A(i)
      A(i) = A(J)
      A(J) = Temp
      i = i + 1
      J = J - 1
    Else
      If A(i) < MidValue Then i = i + 1
      If A(J) > MidValue Then J = J - 1
    End If
  Loop
  QuickSort A(), Low, J
  QuickSort A(), i, Hi
End Sub
 
Sub ShellSort(A() As Integer)
'
' Very fast sort: 2n Log n comparisons
'
' Calling convention:
'   Redim A(1 To 20) as Integer
'   ShellSort A()
'
Dim i As Integer, J As Integer, Low As Integer, Hi As Integer
Dim Temp As Integer, Swapped As Integer
  Low = LBound(A)
  Hi = UBound(A)
  J = (Hi - Low + 1) \ 2
  Do While J > 0
    For i = Low To Hi - J
      If A(i) > A(i + J) Then
        Temp = A(i)
        A(i) = A(i + J)
        A(i + J) = Temp
      End If
    Next i
    For i = Hi - J To Low Step -1
      If A(i) > A(i + J) Then
        Temp = A(i)
        A(i) = A(i + J)
        A(i + J) = Temp
      End If
    Next i
    J = J \ 2
  Loop
End Sub
 
Sub TagBubbleSort(S() As String, A() As Integer)
'
' Slowest Sort: n^2 comparisons
'
' Calling convention:
'   Redim S(1 to 20) as String, A(1 To 20) as Integer
'   TagBubbleSort S(), A()
'
' Sorting strings is very inefficient on memory and fragments it
' greatly.  By using a tag sort, you are swapping pointers or tags
' into the string array.  The calling function also needs to understand
' that it needs to use tags.
'
' Tag sorts can be adopted to other sort types by using the tag in
comparisons
'
Dim i As Integer, J As Integer, Low As Integer, Hi As Integer, Temp As
Integer
  Low = LBound(A)
  Hi = UBound(A)
'
' Initialize Tag array
'
  For i = Low To Hi
    A(i) = i
  Next i
'
' Sort
'
  For i = Low To Hi - 1
    For J = i + 1 To Hi
      If S(A(i)) > S(A(J)) Then   ' Test String Array via tag
        Temp = A(i)               ' Swap tag values
        A(i) = A(J)
        A(J) = Temp
      End If
    Next J
  Next i
End Sub

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 12:16 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting an array from a calback function



I am using a call back to populate a combo and I would like to sort the
resulting array. In particular I am using the Report objects Description
property as the displayed item in the combo. Column 1 is the report name
Column 2 is the report description, column 2 is the visible column.
Everythings very nice except the order - got any array sorting code out
there? 
TIA


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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Wed May 21 11:22:33 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 12:22:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85C2F@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Hmm, "M" as in Micro$oft eh?  Could be something there.  

I was going to venture a WAG as to spaces in the folder names but it sounds like that is probably not it.

Jim DeMarco

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 11:50 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Interesting fact just spotted... All of the directories it doesn't look in
are those which come after M in the alphabet and are coming from the root
folder, and their sub-directories.

It's as if it gets so far and just stops. Any way to troubleshoot what it's
doing? Why it's breaking?

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
Sent: 21 May 2003 16:40
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


OK... My original code returns all the files from that directory plus some
files from a couple of other directories we *didn't* ask it to look in...

Your code finds them all spot-on, but only if we specify the lowest level
directory.

Adding the asterisk on the end dint help. :(

-----Original Message-----
From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
Sent: 21 May 2003 16:14
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


OK,

My next question, if you change the .LookIn property to search those
specific directories that the 182 dbs are in, is the program adding them to
the table?

But before you try that, if you haven't already, try this; change the LookIn
property from

        .FileName = "*.mda; *.mdb; *.mde; *.ldb"

To

        .FileName = "*.mda*; *.mdb*; *.mde*; *.ldb*"	' (place an
asterisk at the end of each ext)


  

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Always Looking For Contract Opportunities

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:02 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


I don't think you silly whatsoever.

The other 128 databases are in directories and subdirectories which sit
alongside those which are successfully being searched (all in one root
directory with no shares or other malarkey involved) There are no different
permissions on any of the folders or databases being ignored versus those
being returned. The user(s) testing the code have full administrator
permissions.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
Sent: 21 May 2003 15:47
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Roz,

Please don't think me silly, but...are the other 128 databases in
directories that were not specified in the .LookIn property.  Does the
person running the code have access to the directories that the other
databases are located?



John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
Always Looking For Contract Opportunities

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Live software training
Right over the Internet

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Cell: 253.307/2947
9306 Farwest Dr SW
Lakewood, WA 98498

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	and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 7:24 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


John

Thanks for this, Karen reports that it works beautifully in terms of
bringing back the additional info. It still only returns 152 of our 280
databases though! Gah!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 18:11
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Here's code that I tested and it seems to be working.  I have a table called
tbl_Files in which I want to place the name of the database found, the
directory it is located, it's size, when it was created, when it was last
modified, and when it was last accessed.

Private Sub cmdFileObject_Click()
' Provides the user Path, File Name,
' and File Size
' Insure there is a reference to the
' Microsoft Scripting Runtime
' Access 2000/2002
    On Error GoTo cmdFileObject_ERR

    Dim rst As ADODB.Command
    Dim fso As FileSystemObject
    Dim f1 As File
    Dim strFilePath As String
    Dim strFileName As String
    Dim strFileSize As String
    Dim datDateCreated As Date
    Dim datDateModified As Date
    Dim datDateAccessed As Date
    Dim I As Double

    Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
    Set rst = New ADODB.Command

    DoCmd.Hourglass True
    ' Create a recordset
    With rst
        .ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection
        .CommandType = adCmdText
        ' Create the SQL to delete any records in the table tbl_Files
        .CommandText = "DELETE * FROM tbl_Files"
        ' Delete the records
        .Execute
    End With

    With Application.FileSearch
        .NewSearch

	  ' There are over 50 subfolders where the databases reside
	  ' in this My work directory.
        .LookIn = "D:\Documents and Settings\John\My Documents\My Work"

        ' I want to search for all files that have .mda, .mdb, .mde
        ' and .ldb in their name.  Place a semicolon between each
        ' file type so that the FilesSearch will search all that
        ' you have specified
        .FileName = "*.mda; *.mdb; *.mde; *.ldb"

        .MatchTextExactly = False

	  ' FileType not required if you are using .FileName
	  ' with an extension
 '       .FileType = msoFileTypeAllFiles

	  ' Search all subfolders of My Work
        .SearchSubFolders = True

        If .Execute() > 0 Then
            For I = 1 To .FoundFiles.Count

                Set f1 = fso.GetFile(.FoundFiles(I))

                strFilePath = f1.ParentFolder
                strFileName = f1.Name
                strFileSize = f1.Size / 1000 ' Convert to KB
                datDateCreated = f1.DateCreated
                datDateModified = f1.DateLastModified
                datDateAccessed = f1.DateLastAccessed

                DoEvents

                ' SQL statement to insert the data into the tbl_Files table
                rst.CommandText = "INSERT INTO tbl_Files " & _
                        "(FilePath, FileName, FileSize, DateCreated, " & _
                        "DateLastModified, DateLastAccessed) " & _
                        "SELECT '" & _
                        strFilePath & "', '" & _
                        strFileName & " ', " & _
                        strFileSize & ", #" & _
                        datDateCreated & "#, #" & _
                        datDateModified & "#, #" & _
                        datDateAccessed & "#"
                ' Insert the record
                rst.Execute
           Next I
            MsgBox "Done. " & .FoundFiles.Count & " Records were added"
        Else
            MsgBox "No Files Found"
        End If
    End With


cmdFileObject_EXIT:

    On Error Resume Next
    DoCmd.Hourglass False
    Set rst = Nothing
    Exit Sub

cmdFileObject_ERR:

    If Err.Number = 70 Then ' Permission denied
        Resume Next
    End If
    MsgBox Error$

End Sub

John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
Always Looking For Contract Opportunities

Home: 253.588.2139
Cell: 253.307/2947
9306 Farwest Dr SW
Lakewood, WA 98498

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                and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:56 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Well I'm running Office XP on WXP w/ Service Pack 1.

I can't think of any specific settings which would lead to the exclusion of
the particular databases I'm missing :(

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: 20 May 2003 16:48
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


That's interesting, Roz.  I just pulled your code out, changed the path to
point to a folder on my machine with mdbs in it, and got a zero for the
FoundFiles count.  And I had the same problem with Rocky's sample database.
It has to be a setting that is causing the failures some of us are
experiencing.  Now, if we could just figure out what it is ... :o{

Rocky, any suggestions?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:27 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames



Hmm. I ran a variation of Charlotte's code (informed by Rocky's, but
Charlotte's was closer to what I think I want) that looks like this:

  Dim varItem As Variant
  With Application.FileSearch
    .NewSearch
    .SearchSubFolders = True
    .FileName = "*.mdb"
    .LookIn = "G:\"
    .Execute
    'Debug.Print .FoundFiles.Count
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    For Each varItem In .FoundFiles
        strSQL = "INSERT INTO tblFiles (FileInfo) VALUES ( '" & varItem & "'
)"
        'Debug.Print strSQL
        DoCmd.RunSQL strSQL
    Next varItem
  End With

This gets me the filepath, with name, though not the file size or any date
info. But that's fine, I can live with that.

What's baffling me is that the above drive has 280 .mdb files on it (yes, I
know that's ridiculous, which is the point of the exercise) but the
.FoundFiles.count only returns 152. It doesn't seem to have looked in any
sub folders beginning with 'R'. Is this the sort of whacky behaviour you
guys have experienced?!

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
Sent: 20 May 2003 15:21
To: Roz Clarke
Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


Was curious about the code.  Standing by...

Rocky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:32 AM
Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of unreadable.
Find Files db


> The email or the code?
>
> I got the zip file but I haven't had a chance to try the code out yet
> - spent all day so far on a really nasty bit of data conversion and
> now have
a
> stack of support jobs to do. *sigh*
>
> I'll let you know!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> Sent: 20 May 2003 14:20
> To: Roz Clarke
> Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> did it work?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:00 AM
> Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
> unreadable. Find Files db
>
>
> > cheers
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:26
> > To: Roz Clarke
> > Subject: Re: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > unreadable. Find Files db
> >
> >
> > Just sent it.  Note in the code that I'm only grabbing files with a
> > .jpg extension.  But you can change that to whatever you want.
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roz Clarke" <roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > To: "'Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software'" <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:11 AM
> > Subject: RE: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of
unreadable.
> > Find Files db
> >
> >
> > > I should get zip files OK... Will have to slap our notwork guys
> > >
> > >
> > > Try zora_db at yahoo.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rocky Smolin - Beach Access Software
> > > [mailto:bchacc at san.rr.com]
> > > Sent: 19 May 2003 17:10
> > > To: Roz Clarke
> > > Subject: Fw: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable. Find Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > Roz:
> > >
> > > Apparently I can't send either MDB or ZIP attachments.  :(
> > >
> > > Do you have another email address that might let these go through?
> > >
> > > Rocky
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Internet Manager Message Inspector"
> > > <ted.walsh at donnslaw.co.uk>
> > > To: <bchacc at san.rr.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 9:08 AM
> > > Subject: Your last E-Mail to donnslaw.co.uk was corrupt of 
> > > unreadable.
> > Find
> > > Files db
> > >
> > >
> > > > The message you sent does not conform with our company
> > > > electronic communications policy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your message was entitled:  Find Files db
> > > > It was addressed to: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk
> > > > and dated:  Mon, 19 May 2003 09:08:13 -0700
> > > > From IP: 66.75.160.17
> > > >
> > > > The message was redirected for later inspection.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed May 21 11:24:05 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 12:24:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FAA@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEEHDNAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

The help says it does work that way, but it isn't working for me.  I could
swear it was in the past though.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 12:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method


Ah, I didn't understand what you were describing.  So it doesn't work
that way in VS.Net?  It does in VS6.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 7:52 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method


Shft F2 is supposed to take you to the object under the cursor (for
editing, not "stepping" in debug).  So if I am in functionA and am
writing the text MyObj.MyMethod, I place the cursor over .MyMethod and
hit Shft-F2 and the editor moves the focus to that method.  It is a
quick and easy way to go look at the code, open the module etc.

John W. Colby
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 11:32 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method


Um, if you're already in a method of the object, why do you need to hit
shift+F2?  And is this VS.Net or VS 6?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 6:02 AM
To: VBA; AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method


In Access placing the insertion pointer in a method of an object and
hitting shft-F2 takes you to that method of that object (to the code).
It actually takes you to anything, variable etc.  According to the help
file "shortcut keys" this is supposed to work in the Visual Studio
editor as well, and I could swear that I have used it, but I am not
getting it to work now.  Is this supposed to work the same way as in the
Access VBA editor?

John W. Colby
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From DElam at jenkens.com  Wed May 21 11:29:10 2003
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 11:29:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
Message-ID: <4AAC675EBAF3D411BCA200508BCFAA8E02F218FB@NATEXCH1>

I have 4.  Juicy tidbits only work if they direct enough attention at you to
spot them.  I need to get really close to lure them with treats.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 10:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


I have two ferrets now....Herding them is sorta like
herding cats....hehehe

It was easier to herd my iguanas....heheeh

--- "Wortz, Charles" <CWortz at tea.state.tx.us> wrote:
> A juicy tidbit at the spot where you want the ferret
> to go will work.
> 
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elam, Debbie [mailto:DElam at jenkens.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 21 08:17
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> lines
> 
> Yes but how would you get them to stop playing with
> the cable, much less
> get them out the correct spot if at all.  I have
> heard ferrets were used
> to string cable in tight places, but I am still
> trying to figure out how
> they were trained.  Ferrets are smart, but do not
> take direction well,
> and consider anything and everything a toy.
> 
> Debbie
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nancy Lytle [mailto:nancy.lytle at auatac.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:27 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> lines
> 
> 
> On a lighter note, for those really tight places for
> stringing cables -
> walls and low ceilings-, why not use a ferret, they
> can get into the
> most unusual places, they work on the cheap, on the
> other hand they can
> be tempermental.
> 
> N Lytle :))
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:57 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> lines
> 
> 
> True enough - we only had to get across 2x4
> stringers, luckily the
> rafters/upper floor bearers (2x10) ran the other
> way.  The car
> negotiated the 2x4s without a problem.
> 
> I would NEVER suggest running data through power
> conduit.  Guess we were
> lucky again in that the house is full brick and
> there is a "fair" 10mm
> gap between the skins, the only obstacle to vertical
> drops being the
> brickies ties.  Brick veneer and etc with studded
> walls is always a
> problem for any vertical cabling - I usually have
> opted for "dress"
> conduit except in the rare cases where I felt the
> job was worth
> replastering the wall.
> 
> Bruce
> P.s. I have done it for a living.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On
> Behalf Of Frank Tanner
> III
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:37 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone
> lines
> 
> 
> That works fine for an office build.  But RC cars
> don't work well in raftered house ceilings.  Most
> houses here use 2x6s or 2x8s for rafters.  Or at
> least
> most of the ones that I've seen.
> 
> If you're running network lines down the same
> conduit
> as electrical wiring you're violating about a dozen
> fire and safety codes.  Not to mention every basic
> rule of network wiring that there is.
> 
> Electrical wiring, ESPECIALLY two-phase and
> three-phase wiring emit large amounts of RF.  RF
> kills
> data integrity.  One of the most basic rules of
> network wiring is NEVER string your network wires
> across power conduits, junction boxes, or lighting
> fixtures.  Don't believe me?  Ask anyone that does
> it
> for a living.  You, physically, can do it, but you
> shouldn't.  You're asking for trouble.
> 
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From chizotz at charter.net  Wed May 21 11:46:36 2003
From: chizotz at charter.net (Ron  Allen)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 12:46:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85C2F@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <web-935859@rems02.cluster1.charter.net>

Is there a limit to the number of directories and 
subdirectories that can be searched/found this way? There 
used to be some absolute limits to the number of 
directories in the root and other stuff... I'm wondering 
if there is a limit, artificial or not, being hit here. 
Does it by chance find "exactly" 128, or 256, or 512, etc. 
folders/files before choking?


>-----Original Message-----
>From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
>Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 11:50 AM
>To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
>Interesting fact just spotted... All of the directories 
>it doesn't look in
>are those which come after M in the alphabet and are 
>coming from the root
>folder, and their sub-directories.
>
>It's as if it gets so far and just stops. Any way to 
>troubleshoot what it's
>doing? Why it's breaking?

From chizotz at charter.net  Wed May 21 12:06:10 2003
From: chizotz at charter.net (Ron  Allen)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 13:06:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
In-Reply-To: <web-935859@rems02.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <web-936040@rems02.cluster1.charter.net>

Access97 and SQL Server2000. The idea is to access a table 
in a SQL Server20000 database to populate a local table in 
an Access97 front-end without using a stored passthrough 
query or otherwise exposing the data or security 
information to the user. The user will only have a 
compiled .mde file, so this code would be inaccessible.

The below code works great on my development machine, but 
when I try it on any of three of my user's machines I get 
Library or Project not found. I can, however, create 
stored passthrough queries on those machines, and all of 
them have all options installed in Access97. My 
development machine is WinXP Pro, user machines are 
typically Win98. Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Ron




Public Sub TestTempPassthrough()
On Error GoTo ErrorHandle

Dim dbDW As Database
Dim dbJet As Database
Dim qdfDW As QueryDef
Dim rstDW As Recordset
Dim rstJet As Recordset
Dim strSQL As String
Dim strCurDate As String

     DoCmd.SetWarnings False
     strCurDate = Format(Date, "mm/dd/yyyy")
     
     strSQL = "DELETE OutletList.* FROM OutletList;"
     DoCmd.RunSQL (strSQL)
     
     strSQL = "SELECT rte as Route, out_nbr as Outlet, 
vnd_nbr as Vendor, "
     strSQL = strSQL & "dist as District, dept_code as 
Dept, area_code as Area, "
     strSQL = strSQL & "zone_code as Zone, pd_owned as 
PDOwned, pd_billed as PDBilled, "
     strSQL = strSQL & "stld_delivered as STLDelivered, 
contract as Contract, "
     strSQL = strSQL & "abc_dlv_code1 as ABCDlvCode1, 
abc_dlv_code2 as ABCDlvCode2, "
     strSQL = strSQL & "abc_paid As ABCPaid, eff_date As 
EffDate, end_date As EndDate "
     strSQL = strSQL & "FROM circ.dbo.Distribution "
     strSQL = strSQL & "WHERE (eff_date <= '" & strCurDate 
& "' AND end_date > '" & strCurDate & "') "
     strSQL = strSQL & "AND (rte <> '' and rte is not null 
and rte <> '9999') "
     strSQL = strSQL & "AND (out_nbr <> 0 and out_nbr is 
not null) "
     strSQL = strSQL & "AND (dept_code <> 'GC' and 
dept_code <> 'TM')"

     Set dbDW = DBEngine.Workspaces(0).Databases(0)
     Set qdfDW = dbDW.CreateQueryDef("")
     qdfDW.Connect = 
"ODBC;DSN=db_pd1;UID=testuser;PWD=tu1234;DATABASE=CIRC"
     qdfDW.SQL = strSQL
     qdfDW.ReturnsRecords = True
     qdfDW.ODBCTimeout = 0
     Set rstDW = qdfDW.OpenRecordset()

     Set dbJet = CurrentDb()
     Set rstJet = dbJet.OpenRecordset("OutletList", 
dbOpenTable)
     
With rstDW
     .MoveFirst
     Do
         rstJet.AddNew
         rstJet![AsOfDate] = Date
         rstJet![Route] = CInt(![Route])
         rstJet![Outlet] = ![Outlet]
         rstJet![Vendor] = ![Vendor]
         rstJet![District] = ![District]
         rstJet![Dept] = ![Dept]
         rstJet![Area] = ![Area]
         rstJet![Zone] = ![Zone]
         rstJet![PDOwned] = ![PDOwned]
         rstJet![PDBilled] = ![PDBilled]
         rstJet![STLDelivered] = ![STLDelivered]
         rstJet![Contract] = ![Contract]
         rstJet![ABCDlvCode1] = ![ABCDlvCode1]
         rstJet![ABCDlvCode2] = ![ABCDlvCode2]
         rstJet![ABCPaid] = ![ABCPaid]
         rstJet.Update
         .MoveNext
     Loop Until .EOF
         
End With

ExitSub:
     Set rstDW = Nothing
     Set qdfDW = Nothing
     Set dbDW = Nothing
     Set rstJet = Nothing
     Set dbJet = Nothing
     DoCmd.SetWarnings True
     Exit Sub

ErrorHandle:
     MsgBox Err.Number & " " & Err.Description & " in 
TestTempPassthrough"
     Resume ExitSub
     
End Sub

From nancy.lytle at auatac.com  Wed May 21 12:26:05 2003
From: nancy.lytle at auatac.com (Nancy Lytle)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 13:26:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
In-Reply-To: <web-935859@rems02.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <OPEHJDCMPKDOHDELKBPHEEPKDLAA.nancy.lytle@auatac.com>

I got 171 listed in mine. The question is what do those directories have in
common.
First step would be to create a directory name M then put a copy of
northwind in it and run it again and see what happens.

Nancy Lytle

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Allen
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 12:47 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Is there a limit to the number of directories and
subdirectories that can be searched/found this way? There
used to be some absolute limits to the number of
directories in the root and other stuff... I'm wondering
if there is a limit, artificial or not, being hit here.
Does it by chance find "exactly" 128, or 256, or 512, etc.
folders/files before choking?


>-----Original Message-----
>From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
>Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 11:50 AM
>To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
>Interesting fact just spotted... All of the directories
>it doesn't look in
>are those which come after M in the alphabet and are
>coming from the root
>folder, and their sub-directories.
>
>It's as if it gets so far and just stops. Any way to
>troubleshoot what it's
>doing? Why it's breaking?
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From delliker at hotmail.com  Wed May 21 12:24:20 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 13:24:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sorting an array from a calback function
Message-ID: <Law12-F9EqSVNlRgJka000069f2@hotmail.com>

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From mikedorism at ntelos.net  Wed May 21 12:44:01 2003
From: mikedorism at ntelos.net (Mike and Doris Manning)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 13:44:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
In-Reply-To: <web-936040@rems02.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <000001c31fc0$94bb4a70$ac3b0cd8@hargrove.internal>

Your problem lies in your connection string...
"ODBC;DSN=db_pd1;UID=testuser;PWD=tu1234;DATABASE=CIRC"

DSN "db_pd1" exists on your machine but probably doesn't exist on the user
machine.  In order for this to work, you will need to create the DSN on the
user machine.  You can have your code quietly check for the presence of the
DSN and create it if it doesn't exist without the user having to do
anything.

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ron Allen
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 1:06 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Access97 and SQL Server2000. The idea is to access a table 
in a SQL Server20000 database to populate a local table in 
an Access97 front-end without using a stored passthrough 
query or otherwise exposing the data or security 
information to the user. The user will only have a 
compiled .mde file, so this code would be inaccessible.

The below code works great on my development machine, but 
when I try it on any of three of my user's machines I get 
Library or Project not found. I can, however, create 
stored passthrough queries on those machines, and all of 
them have all options installed in Access97. My 
development machine is WinXP Pro, user machines are 
typically Win98. Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Ron




Public Sub TestTempPassthrough()
On Error GoTo ErrorHandle

Dim dbDW As Database
Dim dbJet As Database
Dim qdfDW As QueryDef
Dim rstDW As Recordset
Dim rstJet As Recordset
Dim strSQL As String
Dim strCurDate As String

     DoCmd.SetWarnings False
     strCurDate = Format(Date, "mm/dd/yyyy")
     
     strSQL = "DELETE OutletList.* FROM OutletList;"
     DoCmd.RunSQL (strSQL)
     
     strSQL = "SELECT rte as Route, out_nbr as Outlet, 
vnd_nbr as Vendor, "
     strSQL = strSQL & "dist as District, dept_code as 
Dept, area_code as Area, "
     strSQL = strSQL & "zone_code as Zone, pd_owned as 
PDOwned, pd_billed as PDBilled, "
     strSQL = strSQL & "stld_delivered as STLDelivered, 
contract as Contract, "
     strSQL = strSQL & "abc_dlv_code1 as ABCDlvCode1, 
abc_dlv_code2 as ABCDlvCode2, "
     strSQL = strSQL & "abc_paid As ABCPaid, eff_date As 
EffDate, end_date As EndDate "
     strSQL = strSQL & "FROM circ.dbo.Distribution "
     strSQL = strSQL & "WHERE (eff_date <= '" & strCurDate 
& "' AND end_date > '" & strCurDate & "') "
     strSQL = strSQL & "AND (rte <> '' and rte is not null 
and rte <> '9999') "
     strSQL = strSQL & "AND (out_nbr <> 0 and out_nbr is 
not null) "
     strSQL = strSQL & "AND (dept_code <> 'GC' and 
dept_code <> 'TM')"

     Set dbDW = DBEngine.Workspaces(0).Databases(0)
     Set qdfDW = dbDW.CreateQueryDef("")
     qdfDW.Connect = 
"ODBC;DSN=db_pd1;UID=testuser;PWD=tu1234;DATABASE=CIRC"
     qdfDW.SQL = strSQL
     qdfDW.ReturnsRecords = True
     qdfDW.ODBCTimeout = 0
     Set rstDW = qdfDW.OpenRecordset()

     Set dbJet = CurrentDb()
     Set rstJet = dbJet.OpenRecordset("OutletList", 
dbOpenTable)
     
With rstDW
     .MoveFirst
     Do
         rstJet.AddNew
         rstJet![AsOfDate] = Date
         rstJet![Route] = CInt(![Route])
         rstJet![Outlet] = ![Outlet]
         rstJet![Vendor] = ![Vendor]
         rstJet![District] = ![District]
         rstJet![Dept] = ![Dept]
         rstJet![Area] = ![Area]
         rstJet![Zone] = ![Zone]
         rstJet![PDOwned] = ![PDOwned]
         rstJet![PDBilled] = ![PDBilled]
         rstJet![STLDelivered] = ![STLDelivered]
         rstJet![Contract] = ![Contract]
         rstJet![ABCDlvCode1] = ![ABCDlvCode1]
         rstJet![ABCDlvCode2] = ![ABCDlvCode2]
         rstJet![ABCPaid] = ![ABCPaid]
         rstJet.Update
         .MoveNext
     Loop Until .EOF
         
End With

ExitSub:
     Set rstDW = Nothing
     Set qdfDW = Nothing
     Set dbDW = Nothing
     Set rstJet = Nothing
     Set dbJet = Nothing
     DoCmd.SetWarnings True
     Exit Sub

ErrorHandle:
     MsgBox Err.Number & " " & Err.Description & " in 
TestTempPassthrough"
     Resume ExitSub
     
End Sub
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Wed May 21 12:46:08 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 12:46:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] does Access allow Replace in sql window ?
In-Reply-To: <13831776281.20030521170154@cactus.dk>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F54@infoserver01.infostat.local>
	<9432099767.20030514175345@cactus.dk>
	<57544.199.67.140.20.1053526117.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>
	<7629764428.20030521162822@cactus.dk>
	<49700.199.67.140.20.1053527638.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>
	<13831776281.20030521170154@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <39707.199.67.140.20.1053539168.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>

hey, I already did it this way --

UPDATE ArtemMARGaps SET Filter = "Citifin"
WHERE filter like "*fin*";

 Hi Oleg
>
>> but they are all different length (with first 5 characters being the
>> same)
>
> If so:
>
>   Expr1: IIf(Left([YourColumn], 5)='Masha', 'Masha', [YourColumn])
>
>> Actually I just realisesd that all I need is for all values in that
>> column to be the word "associates" That should be simpler ?
>
> Ehh - you lost me here ... or do you mean:
>
>   Expr1: IIf(Left([YourColumn], 10)='Associates', 'Associates',
> [YourColumn])
>
> /gustav
>
>
>>> You could do something like:
>>>
>>>   Expr1: IIf(Left([YourColumn], 4)='Mash', 'Masha', [YourColumn])
>>>
>>> /gustav
>>>
>>>
>>>> I was pretty sure that it does, but I can't seem to remember/find
>>>> how. I need something like this
>>>
>>>> Edit tblTableName
>>>
>>>> Select *
>>>
>>>> Replace "Mash*" with "Masha"
>
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From papparuff at attbi.com  Wed May 21 12:50:15 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 10:50:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Blank Access Screen
In-Reply-To: <Law12-F9EqSVNlRgJka000069f2@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <007501c31fc1$713a9640$6401a8c0@papparuff>

On another newgroup one person asked the following:
"When I am working on a form and then close it, the Form list is blank.
If I click Reports, Tables, etc.. and click back, the Forms are once
again listed. The same happens with Reports and Tables, etc.. It does
not happen every time, but very often. It is mostly annoying. And it
happens in multiple databases not just one. I have Office SR-3 loaded.

Has anyone every come accross this before? How do I stop it."

A number of peopele responded stating they have the same problem but
don't know why it happens.  I also have the same problem.  When I have
created a number of tables, forms, reports, etc in the database; if I go
from say, form design view, back to the Access main window, I have to
move to another object and then back to the forms object again to see
all the forms that I have already created..  I have never found an
answer for this, so I just live with it.  I don't believe memory has
anything to do with it as I have 512mb and it happens if I only have
Access open or if I have a couple of other programs running.  It happens
with Access 2000 and Access 2002 and in Windows 2000 Pro and Windows XP
Pro.

Does anyone else have this annoyance?  If so, does anyone know why this
occurs, and a solution (if there is any).

 

John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-) 
Always Looking For Contract Opportunities 

Home: 253.588.2139 
Cell: 253.307/2947 
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Don Elliker
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 10:24 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sorting an array from a calback function



Neil,

Thanks, I modified one of the routines and it works splendidly.

I put this in the LbInitialize of the callback

Set rst = dbCur.OpenRecordset("qryreportname", dbOpenSnapshot)
                Set Cnt = dbCur.Containers("reports")
    
                rst.MoveLast
                rst.MoveFirst
                intCount = rst.RecordCount - 1
                intRows = intCount
                intCols = 2
                
                ReDim arRptName(intC! ount, 2)
                
                If rst.RecordCount > 0 Then
                    For intI = 0 To intCount
                        arRptName(intI, 0) = rst!Name
                        arRptName(intI, 1) =
Cnt(rst!Name).Properties("description")
                        'Debug.Print arRptName(intI, 0); " ";
arRptName(intI, 1)
      &nbs! p;                 rst.MoveNext
                    Next intI
                End If
"YOUR STUFF HERE-                
                Dim i As Integer, J As Integer, Low As Integer, Hi As
Integer, Temp1 As String, Temp2 As String
                Low = LBound(arRptName) + 1
                Hi = UBound(arRptName)
                For i = ! Low To Hi - 1
                    For J = i + 1 To Hi
                        If arRptName(i, 1) > arRptName(J, 1) Then
                            Temp1 = arRptName(i, 0)
                            Temp2 = arRptName(i, 1)
                            arRptName(i, 0) = arRptName(J, 0)
           &! nbsp;                arRptName(i, 1) = arRptName(J, 1)
                            arRptName(J, 0) = Temp1
                            arRptName(J, 1) = Temp2
                        End If
                    Next J
                Next i

     
                varRetVal = intRows






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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Wed May 21 12:50:26 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 12:50:26 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] does Access allow Replace in sql window ?
In-Reply-To: <833956F5C117124A89417638FDB11290EBCE84@goexchange.pghcorning.com>
References: <833956F5C117124A89417638FDB11290EBCE84@goexchange.pghcorning.com>
Message-ID: <43406.199.67.140.210.1053539426.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>

thanks, I already found it; for some reason your message went to my
'filtered mail' :-/  (all other messages from the group went to the
regular mailbox)

> SPAM:
>
> Why not try an update query..
>
> fill in the appropriate TableName and Fieldnames...
> please back up before you try and it, if you try it..
>
> something like this I think will work..
>
> UPDATE TableName SET TableName.FieldName = "Masha"
> WHERE (((TableName.FieldName)="Mash"));
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 10:09 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] does Access allow Replace in sql window ?
>
>
> I was pretty sure that it does, but I can't seem to remember/find how. I
> need something like this
>
> Edit tblTableName
>
> Select *
>
> Replace "Mash*" with "Masha"
>
>
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May 21 13:05:25 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 11:05:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Blank Access Screen
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FAC@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I've seen it at times.  I just consider it a "feature".  I suspect it's
a resource issue.  Do you/they have name Autocorrect and subdatasheets
turned on or off?  Mine are off, always, and I rarely see this unless
I've got a print job spooling at the same time.
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
	Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 9:50 AM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: [AccessD] Blank Access Screen
	
	
	On another newgroup one person asked the following:
	"When I am working on a form and then close it, the Form list is
blank. If I click Reports, Tables, etc.. and click back, the Forms are
once again listed. The same happens with Reports and Tables, etc.. It
does not happen every time, but very often. It is mostly annoying. And
it happens in multiple databases not just one. I have Office SR-3
loaded.

	Has anyone every come accross this before? How do I stop it."

	A number of peopele responded stating they have the same problem
but don't know why it happens.  I also have the same problem.  When I
have created a number of tables, forms, reports, etc in the database; if
I go from say, form design view, back to the Access main window, I have
to move to another object and then back to the forms object again to see
all the forms that I have already created..  I have never found an
answer for this, so I just live with it.  I don't believe memory has
anything to do with it as I have 512mb and it happens if I only have
Access open or if I have a couple of other programs running.  It happens
with Access 2000 and Access 2002 and in Windows 2000 Pro and Windows XP
Pro.

	Does anyone else have this annoyance?  If so, does anyone know
why this occurs, and a solution (if there is any).

	 

	John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-) 
	Always Looking For Contract Opportunities 

	Home: 253.588.2139 
	Cell: 253.307/2947 
	9306 Farwest Dr SW 
	Lakewood, WA 98498 

	"Commit to the Lord whatever you do, 
	        and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3 

		-----Original Message-----
		From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Don Elliker
		Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 10:24 AM
		To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
		Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sorting an array from a calback
function
		
		

		Neil,

		Thanks, I modified one of the routines and it works
splendidly.

		I put this in the LbInitialize of the callback

		Set rst = dbCur.OpenRecordset("qryreportname",
dbOpenSnapshot)
		                Set Cnt = dbCur.Containers("reports")
		    
		                rst.MoveLast
		                rst.MoveFirst
		                intCount = rst.RecordCount - 1
		                intRows = intCount
		                intCols = 2
		                
		                ReDim arRptName(intC! ount, 2)
		                
		                If rst.RecordCount > 0 Then
		                    For intI = 0 To intCount
		                        arRptName(intI, 0) = rst!Name
		                        arRptName(intI, 1) =
Cnt(rst!Name).Properties("description")
		                        'Debug.Print arRptName(intI, 0);
" "; arRptName(intI, 1)
		      &nbs! p;                 rst.MoveNext
		                    Next intI
		                End If
		"YOUR STUFF HERE-                
		                Dim i As Integer, J As Integer, Low As
Integer, Hi As Integer, Temp1 As String, Temp2 As String
		                Low = LBound(arRptName) + 1
		                Hi = UBound(arRptName)
		                For i = ! Low To Hi - 1
		                    For J = i + 1 To Hi
		                        If arRptName(i, 1) >
arRptName(J, 1) Then
		                            Temp1 = arRptName(i, 0)
		                            Temp2 = arRptName(i, 1)
		                            arRptName(i, 0) =
arRptName(J, 0)
		           &! nbsp;                arRptName(i, 1) =
arRptName(J, 1)
		                            arRptName(J, 0) = Temp1
		                            arRptName(J, 1) = Temp2
		                        End If
		                    Next J
		                Next i

		     
		                varRetVal = intRows
		
		




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From papparuff at attbi.com  Wed May 21 13:08:05 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 11:08:05 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Blank Access Screen
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FAC@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <008a01c31fc3$ed9b7d60$6401a8c0@papparuff>

It doesn't matter if Autocorrect and/or subdatasheets are turned off
(mine are), the annoyance persists.
 
 

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 11:05 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Blank Access Screen


I've seen it at times.  I just consider it a "feature".  I suspect it's
a resource issue.  Do you/they have name Autocorrect and subdatasheets
turned on or off?  Mine are off, always, and I rarely see this unless
I've got a print job spooling at the same time.
 
Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 9:50 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Blank Access Screen


On another newgroup one person asked the following:
"When I am working on a form and then close it, the Form list is blank.
If I click Reports, Tables, etc.. and click back, the Forms are once
again listed. The same happens with Reports and Tables, etc.. It does
not happen every time, but very often. It is mostly annoying. And it
happens in multiple databases not just one. I have Office SR-3 loaded.

Has anyone every come accross this before? How do I stop it."

A number of peopele responded stating they have the same problem but
don't know why it happens.  I also have the same problem.  When I have
created a number of tables, forms, reports, etc in the database; if I go
from say, form design view, back to the Access main window, I have to
move to another object and then back to the forms object again to see
all the forms that I have already created..  I have never found an
answer for this, so I just live with it.  I don't believe memory has
anything to do with it as I have 512mb and it happens if I only have
Access open or if I have a couple of other programs running.  It happens
with Access 2000 and Access 2002 and in Windows 2000 Pro and Windows XP
Pro.

Does anyone else have this annoyance?  If so, does anyone know why this
occurs, and a solution (if there is any).

 

John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-) 
Always Looking For Contract Opportunities 

Home: 253.588.2139 
Cell: 253.307/2947 
9306 Farwest Dr SW 
Lakewood, WA 98498 

"Commit to the Lord whatever you do, 
        and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Don Elliker
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 10:24 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sorting an array from a calback function



Neil,

Thanks, I modified one of the routines and it works splendidly.

I put this in the LbInitialize of the callback

Set rst = dbCur.OpenRecordset("qryreportname", dbOpenSnapshot)
                Set Cnt = dbCur.Containers("reports")
    
                rst.MoveLast
                rst.MoveFirst
                intCount = rst.RecordCount - 1
                intRows = intCount
                intCols = 2
                
                ReDim arRptName(intC! ount, 2)
                
                If rst.RecordCount > 0 Then
                    For intI = 0 To intCount
                        arRptName(intI, 0) = rst!Name
                        arRptName(intI, 1) =
Cnt(rst!Name).Properties("description")
                        'Debug.Print arRptName(intI, 0); " ";
arRptName(intI, 1)
      &nbs! p;                 rst.MoveNext
                    Next intI
                End If
"YOUR STUFF HERE-                
                Dim i As Integer, J As Integer, Low As Integer, Hi As
Integer, Temp1 As String, Temp2 As String
                Low = LBound(arRptName) + 1
                Hi = UBound(arRptName)
                For i = ! Low To Hi - 1
                    For J = i + 1 To Hi
                        If arRptName(i, 1) > arRptName(J, 1) Then
                            Temp1 = arRptName(i, 0)
                            Temp2 = arRptName(i, 1)
                            arRptName(i, 0) = arRptName(J, 0)
           &! nbsp;                arRptName(i, 1) = arRptName(J, 1)
                            arRptName(J, 0) = Temp1
                            arRptName(J, 1) = Temp2
                        End If
                    Next J
                Next i

     
                varRetVal = intRows






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From chizotz at charter.net  Wed May 21 13:11:30 2003
From: chizotz at charter.net (Ron  Allen)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 14:11:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
In-Reply-To: <000001c31fc0$94bb4a70$ac3b0cd8@hargrove.internal>
Message-ID: <web-926174@rems03.cluster1.charter.net>

Hi Doris,

Oops! You may well be right. I've set that DSN up on other 
user machines, but the machines I tested this on may not 
have been in that group. Thanks, I will check that asap.

Can you give me a pointer to the code that would check for 
and set the needed DSN up in code from Access?

Ron


On Wed, 21 May 2003 13:44:01 -0400
  "Mike and Doris Manning" <mikedorism at ntelos.net> wrote:
>Your problem lies in your connection string...
>"ODBC;DSN=db_pd1;UID=testuser;PWD=tu1234;DATABASE=CIRC"
>
>DSN "db_pd1" exists on your machine but probably doesn't 
>exist on the user
>machine.  In order for this to work, you will need to 
>create the DSN on the
>user machine.  You can have your code quietly check for 
>the presence of the
>DSN and create it if it doesn't exist without the user 
>having to do
>anything.

From MPorter at acsalaska.com  Wed May 21 13:17:08 2003
From: MPorter at acsalaska.com (Porter, Mark)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 10:17:08 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] does Access allow Replace in sql window ?
Message-ID: <BFBC9BAC6169D411890000508BAE2C530312077F@acsexch4.corp.acsalaska.com>

I love the Switch function for queries.  Combine it with a left() and you're
in business.

! From Help-----
Switch Function Example 

The following example uses the Switch function to determine the appropriate
language for a specified city based on the values of the ShipCountry and
ShipCity fields in an Orders table. You can enter the following expression
in a calculated control on a form or report. The expression is shown on
multiple lines for clarity; you can also enter it on a single line.

= Switch([ShipCity] = "Madrid", "Spanish", _
    [ShipCity] = "Berlin", "German", _
    [ShipCity] = "Torino", "Italian", _
    [ShipCountry] = "France", "French", _
    True, "English")
If the city is Madrid, the Switch function returns "Spanish"; if it is
Berlin, it returns "German"; and so on. If the city is not one of those
listed, but the country is France, it returns "French". If the city in
question is not in the list, the Switch function returns "English".

-----

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 7:02 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] does Access allow Replace in sql window ?


Hi Oleg

> but they are all different length (with first 5 characters being the same)

If so:

  Expr1: IIf(Left([YourColumn], 5)='Masha', 'Masha', [YourColumn])

> Actually I just realisesd that all I need is for all values in that column
> to be the word "associates" That should be simpler ?

Ehh - you lost me here ... or do you mean:

  Expr1: IIf(Left([YourColumn], 10)='Associates', 'Associates',
[YourColumn])

/gustav


>> You could do something like:
>>
>>   Expr1: IIf(Left([YourColumn], 4)='Mash', 'Masha', [YourColumn])
>>
>> /gustav
>>
>>
>>> I was pretty sure that it does, but I can't seem to remember/find how.
>>> I need something like this
>>
>>> Edit tblTableName
>>
>>> Select *
>>
>>> Replace "Mash*" with "Masha"

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From ad_tp at hotmail.com  Wed May 21 13:35:01 2003
From: ad_tp at hotmail.com (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 00:05:01 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Remembering place on a datasheet
References: <Orphaned-F1133wFDxc000060e5@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <Law9-OE46kJJfYCank600011d8d@hotmail.com>

Don,

    Current Record method can misfire if field value in a sorted column has been updated. In such a situation use of bookmark property is more common.

    Sometimes, even the use of bookmark property fails to give consistent results. In such a case one might opt for navigating to the desired record - using its primary key value.

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------
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  From: Don Elliker 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 20:57
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Remembering place on a datasheet


  I assume datasheet works like continuous form and if so, you can get the CurrentRecord prop of the recordsource and save it. Then use the docmd.gotorecord ,acgoto (I think) then the value you saved from the CurrentRecord. You could also , depending on what your doing, save the SelTop value and goto that.
  Ja?
  _D





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  >From: "Mike and Doris Manning" 
  >Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  >To: 
  >Subject: [AccessD] Remembering place on a datasheet 
  >Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 10:20:45 -0400 
  > 
  >I have created a datasheet for my users that works really well. The problem 
  >is that some users may have about 200 lines on there sheet. Whenever the 
  >datasheet requeries, the record pointer floats back to the top instead of 
  >remaining on the line the user was working with. 
  > 
  >Anybody got any suggestions for how can I sneakily return the user back to 
  >line they were working on to get around the requery problem? 
  > 
  >Doris Manning 
  >Database Administrator 
  >Hargrove Inc. 
  >www.hargroveinc.com 
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From delliker at hotmail.com  Wed May 21 14:21:40 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:21:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Remembering place on a datasheet
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From Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com  Wed May 21 14:42:35 2003
From: Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com (Jeff Barrows)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 14:42:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Blank Access Screen
Message-ID: <8DA8776D2F418E46A2A464AC6CE6305091E0@outbaksrv1.outbaktech.com>

I asked a similar question last year.  Here is my question and the
response I got:

 

My Question:

I recently ran into a situation where an Access 2002 database FE was
converted back to an Access 2000 version.  This was originally done in
Access 97 and converted to Access 2000 and Access 2002, but as we keep
hearing that Access 97 is being phased out they decided to go with just
an Access 2000 version and an Access 2002 version.  They decided to
continue development using Access 2002 and convert down to Access 2000.
The downgrade is successful (everything works as expected) but I have
now noticed something really strange.  I can view the tables, queries,
forms, etc as Large Icons, Small Icons, and as a List, but I cannot see
ANYTHING when I try and view as Detail.  Has anyone else experienced
this?  Or am I just 'lucky'?

 

Response from Mark Plumpton

:

 

That happened to me once - all the column widths in the details view
were set to zero.  Just try opening the columns up from the left hand
side.

 

 

Jeff Barrows

Outbak Technologies, LLC

Racine, WI

Phone: (262) 634-0653

Mailto: jeff_developer at hotmail.com

www.outbaktech.com

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From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 12:50 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com

 

On another newgroup one person asked the following:

"When I am working on a form and then close it, the Form list is blank.
If I click Reports, Tables, etc.. and click back, the Forms are once
again listed. The same happens with Reports and Tables, etc.. It does
not happen every time, but very often. It is mostly annoying. And it
happens in multiple databases not just one. I have Office SR-3 loaded.

Has anyone every come accross this before? How do I stop it."

A number of peopele responded stating they have the same problem but
don't know why it happens.  I also have the same problem.  When I have
created a number of tables, forms, reports, etc in the database; if I go
from say, form design view, back to the Access main window, I have to
move to another object and then back to the forms object again to see
all the forms that I have already created..  I have never found an
answer for this, so I just live with it.  I don't believe memory has
anything to do with it as I have 512mb and it happens if I only have
Access open or if I have a couple of other programs running.  It happens
with Access 2000 and Access 2002 and in Windows 2000 Pro and Windows XP
Pro.

Does anyone else have this annoyance?  If so, does anyone know why this
occurs, and a solution (if there is any).

 

John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-) 
Always Looking For Contract Opportunities 

Home: 253.588.2139 
Cell: 253.307/2947 
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	-----Original Message-----
	From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Don Elliker
	Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 10:24 AM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] Sorting an array from a calback function

	Neil,

	Thanks, I modified one of the routines and it works splendidly.

	I put this in the LbInitialize of the callback

	Set rst = dbCur.OpenRecordset("qryreportname", dbOpenSnapshot)
	                Set Cnt = dbCur.Containers("reports")
	    
	                rst.MoveLast
	                rst.MoveFirst
	                intCount = rst.RecordCount - 1
	                intRows = intCount
	                intCols = 2
	                
	                ReDim arRptName(intC! ount, 2)
	                
	                If rst.RecordCount > 0 Then
	                    For intI = 0 To intCount
	                        arRptName(intI, 0) = rst!Name
	                        arRptName(intI, 1) =
Cnt(rst!Name).Properties("description")
	                        'Debug.Print arRptName(intI, 0); " ";
arRptName(intI, 1)
	      &nbs! p;                 rst.MoveNext
	                    Next intI
	                End If
	"YOUR STUFF HERE-                
	                Dim i As Integer, J As Integer, Low As Integer,
Hi As Integer, Temp1 As String, Temp2 As String
	                Low = LBound(arRptName) + 1
	                Hi = UBound(arRptName)
	                For i = ! Low To Hi - 1
	                    For J = i + 1 To Hi
	                        If arRptName(i, 1) > arRptName(J, 1)
Then
	                            Temp1 = arRptName(i, 0)
	                            Temp2 = arRptName(i, 1)
	                            arRptName(i, 0) = arRptName(J, 0)
	           &! nbsp;                arRptName(i, 1) =
arRptName(J, 1)
	                            arRptName(J, 0) = Temp1
	                            arRptName(J, 1) = Temp2
	                        End If
	                    Next J
	                Next i

	     
	                varRetVal = intRows

	
	
	

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From SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au  Wed May 21 19:07:11 2003
From: SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au (Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 10:07:11 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Using blat
Message-ID: <000f01c31ff6$18152280$54dd31d2@OfficePC>

Hi everybody.

As I am having a couple of issues with Outlook which I normally use for sending email from my mdb's, I want to try Blat which so many of you have recommended.

I am lost re: the installation and use of it.

I have read the readme which assumes a bit more knowledge than I have. I have copied blat.exe to c:\winnt\system32 and the next instruction is :

"Run "Blat -install yourhost.site.blah.blah youruserid at site.blah.blah" which I am battling with.

What is: 'yourhost', 'site', blah blah? 
And how does this work with client installs?
(In today's case I want to send email through Outlook Express). 

BTW, does anyone have a sample mdb whichuses Blat? Or does anyone have something else they can recommend?

TIA
Kath





Kath Pelletti
Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
Ph: 9505-6714
Fax: 9505-6430
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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Wed May 21 20:00:10 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:00:10 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522123817.00b49200@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Crossposted (because it is urgent :))

Hello groups.

I have an installation created by a sagekey script using Wise Installation 
v9.  It is an AXP ade connecting to SQL2K.

When the program is installed on a machine running Office XP it runs 
fine.  If the computer only has Office 2K then there seems to be a 
reference problem because in fields that use Date() to set defaults it only 
shows #Name.  We tested on a machine that had OXP by downgrading it to O2K 
and the installation suddenly didn't work any more.

The references that appear in the references box are -
vbe6.dll, msacc.olb, stdole2.tlb, msado25.tlb, dao360.dll, excel.exe.

We have tried registering the files using regsvr.exe but this hasn't helped.

Can anyone please provide any things we can try?


Regards

David Emerson
DALYN Software Ltd
25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205 


From SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au  Wed May 21 20:15:10 2003
From: SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au (Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:15:10 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522123817.00b49200@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <003301c31fff$9738cef0$54dd31d2@OfficePC>

David - there was an old problem with date() for Win98 machines - what OS are they using?

Have you tried that with Now() instead?

Kath

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Emerson 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com ; ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM 
  Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 11:00 AM
  Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?


  Crossposted (because it is urgent :))

  Hello groups.

  I have an installation created by a sagekey script using Wise Installation 
  v9.  It is an AXP ade connecting to SQL2K.

  When the program is installed on a machine running Office XP it runs 
  fine.  If the computer only has Office 2K then there seems to be a 
  reference problem because in fields that use Date() to set defaults it only 
  shows #Name.  We tested on a machine that had OXP by downgrading it to O2K 
  and the installation suddenly didn't work any more.

  The references that appear in the references box are -
  vbe6.dll, msacc.olb, stdole2.tlb, msado25.tlb, dao360.dll, excel.exe.

  We have tried registering the files using regsvr.exe but this hasn't helped.

  Can anyone please provide any things we can try?


  Regards

  David Emerson
  DALYN Software Ltd
  25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
  Wellington, New Zealand
  Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205 

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From SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au  Wed May 21 20:23:13 2003
From: SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au (Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:23:13 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Custom  report page length - A2K - Urgent!
Message-ID: <004201c32000$b6cf8cd0$54dd31d2@OfficePC>

I am printing vouchers - 3 per page on an A4 sheet.

I thought this would be dead easy - but how do I set a custom paper size?

TIA

Kath Pelletti
Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
Ph: 9505-6714
Fax: 9505-6430
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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Wed May 21 20:24:37 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:24:37 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
In-Reply-To: <003301c31fff$9738cef0$54dd31d2@OfficePC>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522123817.00b49200@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522132239.00b48828@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

All the machines are W2000NT.  I am sure that it is not just Date() 
function but a reference problem as there are other parts of the program 
that are behaving similarly.

David

At 22/05/2003, you wrote:
>David - there was an old problem with date() for Win98 machines - what OS 
>are they using?
>
>Have you tried that with Now() instead?
>
>Kath
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:davide at dalyn.co.nz>David Emerson
>To: <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>accessd at databaseadvisors.com ; 
><mailto:ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM>ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM
>Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 11:00 AM
>Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
>
>Crossposted (because it is urgent :))
>
>Hello groups.
>
>I have an installation created by a sagekey script using Wise Installation
>v9.  It is an AXP ade connecting to SQL2K.
>
>When the program is installed on a machine running Office XP it runs
>fine.  If the computer only has Office 2K then there seems to be a
>reference problem because in fields that use Date() to set defaults it only
>shows #Name.  We tested on a machine that had OXP by downgrading it to O2K
>and the installation suddenly didn't work any more.
>
>The references that appear in the references box are -
>vbe6.dll, msacc.olb, stdole2.tlb, msado25.tlb, dao360.dll, excel.exe.
>
>We have tried registering the files using regsvr.exe but this hasn't helped.
>
>Can anyone please provide any things we can try?
>
>
>Regards
>
>David Emerson
>DALYN Software Ltd
>25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
>Wellington, New Zealand
>Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205
>
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><mailto:AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Wed May 21 20:25:24 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 21:25:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522123817.00b49200@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <3ECBEEC4.19936.BC192F@localhost>

On 22 May 2003 at 13:00, David Emerson wrote:


> I have an installation created by a sagekey script using Wise
> Installation v9.  It is an AXP ade connecting to SQL2K.

> The references that appear in the references box are -
> vbe6.dll, msacc.olb, stdole2.tlb, msado25.tlb, dao360.dll, excel.exe.
> 
> We have tried registering the files using regsvr.exe but this hasn't
> helped.
> 
> Can anyone please provide any things we can try?

I'd guess that it's the Excel reference that is killing the 
installation.

You are developing on OXP, so you end up with a reference to Excel 
XP. Then when you install your ADE on a box with O2K, there is no 
Excel XP to reference.

About the only way to get around that that I can think of is to 
change your code to use late binding for the Excel routines and 
unreference (dereference??) Excel.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never 
cease to be amused.

From bbruen at bigpond.com  Wed May 21 20:27:14 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:27:14 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Blank Access Screen
In-Reply-To: <8DA8776D2F418E46A2A464AC6CE6305091E0@outbaksrv1.outbaktech.com>
Message-ID: <004201c32001$471524d0$4844fea9@bbb888>

If its the same phenomena as I have experienced on A2K, hitting F5
usually displays them properly.  I haven't seen it in AXP though?
Bruce
 <snip>

 On another newgroup one person asked the following:
"When I am working on a form and then close it, the Form list is blank.
If I click Reports, Tables, etc.. and click back, the Forms are once
again listed. The same happens with Reports and Tables, etc.. It does
not happen every time, but very often. It is mostly annoying. And it
happens in multiple databases not just one. I have Office SR-3 loaded.
Has anyone every come accross this before? How do I stop it."
<snip>


From papparuff at attbi.com  Wed May 21 20:29:20 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 18:29:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522123817.00b49200@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <001601c32001$91efbdd0$6401a8c0@papparuff>

Bryan is correct.  Unless you want to manually change the references
from Excel 10.0 to Excel 9.0, change your excel code to late binding.


John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
Always Looking For Contract Opportunities

Home: 253.588.2139
Cell: 253.307.2947
9306 Farwest Dr SW
Lakewood, WA 98498

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                and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 6:00 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com; ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM
Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?


Crossposted (because it is urgent :))

Hello groups.

I have an installation created by a sagekey script using Wise
Installation 
v9.  It is an AXP ade connecting to SQL2K.

When the program is installed on a machine running Office XP it runs 
fine.  If the computer only has Office 2K then there seems to be a 
reference problem because in fields that use Date() to set defaults it
only 
shows #Name.  We tested on a machine that had OXP by downgrading it to
O2K 
and the installation suddenly didn't work any more.

The references that appear in the references box are - vbe6.dll,
msacc.olb, stdole2.tlb, msado25.tlb, dao360.dll, excel.exe.

We have tried registering the files using regsvr.exe but this hasn't
helped.

Can anyone please provide any things we can try?


Regards

David Emerson
DALYN Software Ltd
25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
Wellington, New Zealand
Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205 

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From SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au  Wed May 21 20:30:49 2003
From: SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au (Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:30:49 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522123817.00b49200@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
	<5.2.0.9.0.20030522132239.00b48828@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <008f01c32001$c6fcac90$54dd31d2@OfficePC>

David - could it be the vbe6.dll problem..if you've had XP installed on that PC and gone back to 2000..

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q304548


If is is then I have a copy of the MS patch for that.

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Emerson 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 11:24 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?


  All the machines are W2000NT.  I am sure that it is not just Date() function but a reference problem as there are other parts of the program that are behaving similarly.

  David

  At 22/05/2003, you wrote:

    David - there was an old problem with date() for Win98 machines - what OS are they using?
     
    Have you tried that with Now() instead?
     
    Kath
     
    ----- Original Message ----- 

      From: David Emerson 

      To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com ; ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM 

      Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 11:00 AM

      Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?


      Crossposted (because it is urgent :))


      Hello groups.


      I have an installation created by a sagekey script using Wise Installation 

      v9.  It is an AXP ade connecting to SQL2K.


      When the program is installed on a machine running Office XP it runs 

      fine.  If the computer only has Office 2K then there seems to be a 

      reference problem because in fields that use Date() to set defaults it only 

      shows #Name.  We tested on a machine that had OXP by downgrading it to O2K 

      and the installation suddenly didn't work any more.


      The references that appear in the references box are -

      vbe6.dll, msacc.olb, stdole2.tlb, msado25.tlb, dao360.dll, excel.exe.


      We have tried registering the files using regsvr.exe but this hasn't helped.


      Can anyone please provide any things we can try?



      Regards


      David Emerson

      DALYN Software Ltd

      25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville

      Wellington, New Zealand

      Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205 


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Wed May 21 20:38:28 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 20:38:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C77@main2.marlow.com>

Oh, okay.  Personally I like to stick to black and white, as often as
possible.  Literally.  I use black backgrounds with white text.  I just
think it sticks out better then black on white.  However, something to keep
in mind, color is nice, however, a large portion of the population is color
blind to a certain extent.  Always be sure that places where color is used,
and differentiating things of different color is important, to use colors
that 'clash' spectrally, so even if someone is seeing it as shades of grey
(a severe color blind person), they would still see the difference.
 
That's my only tip......
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 4:07 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


We're about to start designing the interface for a data mining application.
My team hasn't had any formal training on interface design, and I didn't
want them to get all their ideas from me - better if they have a range of
examples! So we're having a couple of workshops where we discuss design
principles before we start doing the spec. This application will take a few
weeks to write and, if we get it right, be in use for 2-3 years so it's
worth putting some thought into.
 
Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 20:10
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


What kind of 'interface' are you looking for?
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:53 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples



Hi all 

Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a discussion about interface
design, and someone was hosting a gallery of different interfaces that had
been done with Access?

Does anybody know if it's still there, where it was, and whether there are
any other good resources out there? 

TIA 

Roz 

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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Wed May 21 20:45:28 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:45:28 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
In-Reply-To: <008f01c32001$c6fcac90$54dd31d2@OfficePC>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522123817.00b49200@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
 <5.2.0.9.0.20030522132239.00b48828@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522134415.00b1c348@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Thanks Kath,  However the Office installation doesn't include Access.  The 
only version on the computers is my runtime which is AXP.

David

At 22/05/2003, you wrote:
>David - could it be the vbe6.dll problem..if you've had XP installed on 
>that PC and gone back to 2000..
>
><http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q304548>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q304548
>
>
>If is is then I have a copy of the MS patch for that.
>
>Kath
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:davide at dalyn.co.nz>David Emerson
>To: <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 11:24 AM
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
>
>All the machines are W2000NT.  I am sure that it is not just Date() 
>function but a reference problem as there are other parts of the program 
>that are behaving similarly.
>
>David
>
>At 22/05/2003, you wrote:
>>David - there was an old problem with date() for Win98 machines - what OS 
>>are they using?
>>
>>Have you tried that with Now() instead?
>>
>>Kath
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <mailto:davide at dalyn.co.nz>David Emerson
>>To: <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com>accessd at databaseadvisors.com ; 
>><mailto:ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM>ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM
>>Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 11:00 AM
>>Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
>>Crossposted (because it is urgent :))
>>Hello groups.
>>I have an installation created by a sagekey script using Wise Installation
>>v9.  It is an AXP ade connecting to SQL2K.
>>When the program is installed on a machine running Office XP it runs
>>fine.  If the computer only has Office 2K then there seems to be a
>>reference problem because in fields that use Date() to set defaults it only
>>shows #Name.  We tested on a machine that had OXP by downgrading it to O2K
>>and the installation suddenly didn't work any more.
>>The references that appear in the references box are -
>>vbe6.dll, msacc.olb, stdole2.tlb, msado25.tlb, dao360.dll, excel.exe.
>>We have tried registering the files using regsvr.exe but this hasn't helped.
>>Can anyone please provide any things we can try?
>>
>>Regards
>>David Emerson
>>DALYN Software Ltd
>>25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
>>Wellington, New Zealand
>>Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205
>>_______________________________________________
>>AccessD mailing list
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>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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>>
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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Wed May 21 20:46:35 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:46:35 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
In-Reply-To: <001601c32001$91efbdd0$6401a8c0@papparuff>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522123817.00b49200@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522134550.00b47ed0@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Thanks - What about installing Excel 10.  Would that solve the problem?

David

At 21/05/2003, you wrote:
>Bryan is correct.  Unless you want to manually change the references
>from Excel 10.0 to Excel 9.0, change your excel code to late binding.
>
>
>John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
>Always Looking For Contract Opportunities
>
>Home: 253.588.2139
>Cell: 253.307.2947
>9306 Farwest Dr SW
>Lakewood, WA 98498
>
>"Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
>                 and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
>Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 6:00 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com; ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM
>Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
>
>
>Crossposted (because it is urgent :))
>
>Hello groups.
>
>I have an installation created by a sagekey script using Wise
>Installation
>v9.  It is an AXP ade connecting to SQL2K.
>
>When the program is installed on a machine running Office XP it runs
>fine.  If the computer only has Office 2K then there seems to be a
>reference problem because in fields that use Date() to set defaults it
>only
>shows #Name.  We tested on a machine that had OXP by downgrading it to
>O2K
>and the installation suddenly didn't work any more.
>
>The references that appear in the references box are - vbe6.dll,
>msacc.olb, stdole2.tlb, msado25.tlb, dao360.dll, excel.exe.
>
>We have tried registering the files using regsvr.exe but this hasn't
>helped.
>
>Can anyone please provide any things we can try?
>
>
>Regards
>
>David Emerson
>DALYN Software Ltd
>25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
>Wellington, New Zealand
>Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205
>
>_______________________________________________
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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Wed May 21 20:51:35 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:51:35 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
In-Reply-To: <001601c32001$91efbdd0$6401a8c0@papparuff>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522123817.00b49200@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522134736.00b523f8@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Do you have any examples of late binding?  The main tasks I am doing is 
export data to a spreadsheet, then open it up and format it.

David

At 21/05/2003, you wrote:
>Bryan is correct.  Unless you want to manually change the references
>from Excel 10.0 to Excel 9.0, change your excel code to late binding.
>
>
>John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
>Always Looking For Contract Opportunities
>
>Home: 253.588.2139
>Cell: 253.307.2947
>9306 Farwest Dr SW
>Lakewood, WA 98498
>
>"Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
>                 and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
>Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 6:00 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com; ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM
>Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
>
>
>Crossposted (because it is urgent :))
>
>Hello groups.
>
>I have an installation created by a sagekey script using Wise
>Installation
>v9.  It is an AXP ade connecting to SQL2K.
>
>When the program is installed on a machine running Office XP it runs
>fine.  If the computer only has Office 2K then there seems to be a
>reference problem because in fields that use Date() to set defaults it
>only
>shows #Name.  We tested on a machine that had OXP by downgrading it to
>O2K
>and the installation suddenly didn't work any more.
>
>The references that appear in the references box are - vbe6.dll,
>msacc.olb, stdole2.tlb, msado25.tlb, dao360.dll, excel.exe.
>
>We have tried registering the files using regsvr.exe but this hasn't
>helped.
>
>Can anyone please provide any things we can try?
>
>
>Regards
>
>David Emerson
>DALYN Software Ltd
>25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
>Wellington, New Zealand
>Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205
>
>_______________________________________________
>AccessD mailing list
>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From papparuff at attbi.com  Wed May 21 21:52:53 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 19:52:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522134736.00b523f8@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <002601c3200d$3dd09790$6401a8c0@papparuff>

Dave,

It's basically changing your dim statements from Excel objects to just
Object, like this:

Dim objXLS as Excel.Application
Dim objBook as Excel.Workbook 
Dim objSheet as Excel.WorkSheet

To

Dim objXLS as Object
Dim objBook as Object 
Dim objSheet as Object

 

John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
Always Looking For Contract Opportunities

Home: 253.588.2139
Cell: 253.307.2947
9306 Farwest Dr SW
Lakewood, WA 98498

"Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
                and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 6:52 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?


Do you have any examples of late binding?  The main tasks I am doing is 
export data to a spreadsheet, then open it up and format it.

David

At 21/05/2003, you wrote:
>Bryan is correct.  Unless you want to manually change the references 
>from Excel 10.0 to Excel 9.0, change your excel code to late binding.
>
>
>John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
>Always Looking For Contract Opportunities
>
>Home: 253.588.2139
>Cell: 253.307.2947
>9306 Farwest Dr SW
>Lakewood, WA 98498
>
>"Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
>                 and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David 
>Emerson
>Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 6:00 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com; ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM
>Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
>
>
>Crossposted (because it is urgent :))
>
>Hello groups.
>
>I have an installation created by a sagekey script using Wise 
>Installation v9.  It is an AXP ade connecting to SQL2K.
>
>When the program is installed on a machine running Office XP it runs 
>fine.  If the computer only has Office 2K then there seems to be a 
>reference problem because in fields that use Date() to set defaults it 
>only shows #Name.  We tested on a machine that had OXP by downgrading 
>it to O2K
>and the installation suddenly didn't work any more.
>
>The references that appear in the references box are - vbe6.dll, 
>msacc.olb, stdole2.tlb, msado25.tlb, dao360.dll, excel.exe.
>
>We have tried registering the files using regsvr.exe but this hasn't 
>helped.
>
>Can anyone please provide any things we can try?
>
>
>Regards
>
>David Emerson
>DALYN Software Ltd
>25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
>Wellington, New Zealand
>Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205
>
>_______________________________________________
>AccessD mailing list
>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From michael.maddison at ddisolutions.com.au  Wed May 21 22:32:36 2003
From: michael.maddison at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:32:36 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method
Message-ID: <6D8C24685B2A614481AD0BDAB0AC94F9035C51@ddi-pdc.DDISolutions.ddisolutions.com.au>

John,

Open the options dialog from the menu and under Environment -> Keyboard
make sure use VB6 mappings
are selected.

HTH

Michael M


The help says it does work that way, but it isn't working for me.  I
could swear it was in the past though.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 12:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method


Ah, I didn't understand what you were describing.  So it doesn't work
that way in VS.Net?  It does in VS6.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 7:52 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method


Shft F2 is supposed to take you to the object under the cursor (for
editing, not "stepping" in debug).  So if I am in functionA and am
writing the text MyObj.MyMethod, I place the cursor over .MyMethod and
hit Shft-F2 and the editor moves the focus to that method.  It is a
quick and easy way to go look at the code, open the module etc.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 11:32 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method


Um, if you're already in a method of the object, why do you need to hit
shift+F2?  And is this VS.Net or VS 6?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 6:02 AM
To: VBA; AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method


In Access placing the insertion pointer in a method of an object and
hitting shft-F2 takes you to that method of that object (to the code).
It actually takes you to anything, variable etc.  According to the help
file "shortcut keys" this is supposed to work in the Visual Studio
editor as well, and I could swear that I have used it, but I am not
getting it to work now.  Is this supposed to work the same way as in the
Access VBA editor?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed May 21 22:41:32 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 23:41:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method
In-Reply-To: <6D8C24685B2A614481AD0BDAB0AC94F9035C51@ddi-pdc.DDISolutions.ddisolutions.com.au>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEFNDNAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Hey... you da man!!!

Thanks,

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael
Maddison
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 11:33 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method


John,

Open the options dialog from the menu and under Environment -> Keyboard
make sure use VB6 mappings
are selected.

HTH

Michael M


The help says it does work that way, but it isn't working for me.  I
could swear it was in the past though.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 12:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method


Ah, I didn't understand what you were describing.  So it doesn't work
that way in VS.Net?  It does in VS6.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 7:52 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method


Shft F2 is supposed to take you to the object under the cursor (for
editing, not "stepping" in debug).  So if I am in functionA and am
writing the text MyObj.MyMethod, I place the cursor over .MyMethod and
hit Shft-F2 and the editor moves the focus to that method.  It is a
quick and easy way to go look at the code, open the module etc.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 11:32 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method


Um, if you're already in a method of the object, why do you need to hit
shift+F2?  And is this VS.Net or VS 6?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 6:02 AM
To: VBA; AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Visual Studio - Goto method


In Access placing the insertion pointer in a method of an object and
hitting shft-F2 takes you to that method of that object (to the code).
It actually takes you to anything, variable etc.  According to the help
file "shortcut keys" this is supposed to work in the Visual Studio
editor as well, and I could swear that I have used it, but I am not
getting it to work now.  Is this supposed to work the same way as in the
Access VBA editor?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au  Wed May 21 23:25:15 2003
From: SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au (Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:25:15 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Custom  report page length - A2K - Urgent!
References: <004201c32000$b6cf8cd0$54dd31d2@OfficePC>
Message-ID: <001a01c3201a$258c8330$54dd31d2@OfficePC>

I have worked out how to create a custom paper size  now, but that's still not helping me.

I need to print 3 vouchers on an A4 page - imagine the page divided horizontally into 3. I can't do it by just setting margins etc. because within each voucher there may be 1 detail record, ot there may be up to 5, so Access keeps moving the sections around on me.

TIA
Kath

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd. 
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 11:23 AM
  Subject: [AccessD] Custom report page length - A2K - Urgent!


  I am printing vouchers - 3 per page on an A4 sheet.

  I thought this would be dead easy - but how do I set a custom paper size?

  TIA

  Kath Pelletti
  Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
  Ph: 9505-6714
  Fax: 9505-6430
  SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au


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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Wed May 21 23:39:54 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 21:39:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522123817.00b49200@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
 <5.2.0.9.0.20030522134736.00b523f8@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <3ECC549A.80509@shaw.ca>

Dim objExcelapp As Object
 'show version of excel
'for example Excel XP version 10.0
'grabs last used version or highest version of Excel if multi install of 
Excel dunno?
  On Error Resume Next

Set objExcelapp = CreateObject("excel.application")
If Err.Number Then
     MsgBox "Excel not installed or not registered for Automation"
     Exit Sub
  End If
MsgBox "Excel Version: " & objExcelappVersion
objExcelapp.Quit

Set objExcelapp = Nothing
MsgBox "Excel Version: " & sVersion

David Emerson wrote:

> Do you have any examples of late binding?  The main tasks I am doing 
> is export data to a spreadsheet, then open it up and format it.
>
> David
>
> At 21/05/2003, you wrote:
>
>> Bryan is correct.  Unless you want to manually change the references
>> from Excel 10.0 to Excel 9.0, change your excel code to late binding.
>>
>>
>> John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
>> Always Looking For Contract Opportunities
>>
>> Home: 253.588.2139
>> Cell: 253.307.2947
>> 9306 Farwest Dr SW
>> Lakewood, WA 98498
>>
>> "Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
>>                 and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 6:00 PM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com; ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM
>> Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
>>
>>
>> Crossposted (because it is urgent :))
>>
>> Hello groups.
>>
>> I have an installation created by a sagekey script using Wise
>> Installation
>> v9.  It is an AXP ade connecting to SQL2K.
>>
>> When the program is installed on a machine running Office XP it runs
>> fine.  If the computer only has Office 2K then there seems to be a
>> reference problem because in fields that use Date() to set defaults it
>> only
>> shows #Name.  We tested on a machine that had OXP by downgrading it to
>> O2K
>> and the installation suddenly didn't work any more.
>>
>> The references that appear in the references box are - vbe6.dll,
>> msacc.olb, stdole2.tlb, msado25.tlb, dao360.dll, excel.exe.
>>
>> We have tried registering the files using regsvr.exe but this hasn't
>> helped.
>>
>> Can anyone please provide any things we can try?
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> David Emerson
>> DALYN Software Ltd
>> 25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
>> Wellington, New Zealand
>> Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205
>>
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From my.lists at verizon.net  Thu May 22 00:05:11 2003
From: my.lists at verizon.net (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 22:05:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Using blat
References: <000f01c31ff6$18152280$54dd31d2@OfficePC>
Message-ID: <00b701c3201f$b9863040$fd512304@amd2k>

I have something I can send to you... but blat is not a DLL but a self contained SMTP application.  You do NOT need to install it in order to get it to work, it just makes life easier :)

I will wrap up a sample tomorrow.. right now it's still wrapped up in our application :)

-Francisco
http://rcm.netfirms.com/
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd. 
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 5:07 PM
  Subject: [AccessD] Using blat


  Hi everybody.

  As I am having a couple of issues with Outlook which I normally use for sending email from my mdb's, I want to try Blat which so many of you have recommended.

  I am lost re: the installation and use of it.

  I have read the readme which assumes a bit more knowledge than I have. I have copied blat.exe to c:\winnt\system32 and the next instruction is :

  "Run "Blat -install yourhost.site.blah.blah youruserid at site.blah.blah" which I am battling with.

  What is: 'yourhost', 'site', blah blah? 
  And how does this work with client installs?
  (In today's case I want to send email through Outlook Express). 

  BTW, does anyone have a sample mdb whichuses Blat? Or does anyone have something else they can recommend?

  TIA
  Kath





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  Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
  Ph: 9505-6714
  Fax: 9505-6430
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From SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au  Thu May 22 00:05:22 2003
From: SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au (Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:05:22 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Using blat
References: <000f01c31ff6$18152280$54dd31d2@OfficePC>
	<00b701c3201f$b9863040$fd512304@amd2k>
Message-ID: <001901c3201f$bf613640$54dd31d2@OfficePC>

Thanks Francisco

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Francisco Tapia 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 3:05 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using blat


  I have something I can send to you... but blat is not a DLL but a self contained SMTP application.  You do NOT need to install it in order to get it to work, it just makes life easier :)

  I will wrap up a sample tomorrow.. right now it's still wrapped up in our application :)

  -Francisco
  http://rcm.netfirms.com/
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd. 
    To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
    Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 5:07 PM
    Subject: [AccessD] Using blat


    Hi everybody.

    As I am having a couple of issues with Outlook which I normally use for sending email from my mdb's, I want to try Blat which so many of you have recommended.

    I am lost re: the installation and use of it.

    I have read the readme which assumes a bit more knowledge than I have. I have copied blat.exe to c:\winnt\system32 and the next instruction is :

    "Run "Blat -install yourhost.site.blah.blah youruserid at site.blah.blah" which I am battling with.

    What is: 'yourhost', 'site', blah blah? 
    And how does this work with client installs?
    (In today's case I want to send email through Outlook Express). 

    BTW, does anyone have a sample mdb whichuses Blat? Or does anyone have something else they can recommend?

    TIA
    Kath





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    Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
    Ph: 9505-6714
    Fax: 9505-6430
    SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au


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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Thu May 22 00:08:36 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 17:08:36 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
In-Reply-To: <002601c3200d$3dd09790$6401a8c0@papparuff>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522134736.00b523f8@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522161528.00b523f8@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

Thanks for your help John, Bryan and Kath.  It was the Excel 
references.  At least I know what I am dealing with.

David

At 21/05/2003, you wrote:
>Dave,
>
>It's basically changing your dim statements from Excel objects to just
>Object, like this:
>
>Dim objXLS as Excel.Application
>Dim objBook as Excel.Workbook
>Dim objSheet as Excel.WorkSheet
>
>To
>
>Dim objXLS as Object
>Dim objBook as Object
>Dim objSheet as Object
>
>
>
>John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
>Always Looking For Contract Opportunities
>
>Home: 253.588.2139
>Cell: 253.307.2947
>9306 Farwest Dr SW
>Lakewood, WA 98498
>
>"Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
>                 and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
>Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 6:52 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
>
>
>Do you have any examples of late binding?  The main tasks I am doing is
>export data to a spreadsheet, then open it up and format it.
>
>David
>
>At 21/05/2003, you wrote:
> >Bryan is correct.  Unless you want to manually change the references
> >from Excel 10.0 to Excel 9.0, change your excel code to late binding.
> >
> >
> >John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
> >Always Looking For Contract Opportunities
> >
> >Home: 253.588.2139
> >Cell: 253.307.2947
> >9306 Farwest Dr SW
> >Lakewood, WA 98498
> >
> >"Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
> >                 and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David
> >Emerson
> >Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 6:00 PM
> >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com; ACCESS-L at PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM
> >Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
> >
> >
> >Crossposted (because it is urgent :))
> >
> >Hello groups.
> >
> >I have an installation created by a sagekey script using Wise
> >Installation v9.  It is an AXP ade connecting to SQL2K.
> >
> >When the program is installed on a machine running Office XP it runs
> >fine.  If the computer only has Office 2K then there seems to be a
> >reference problem because in fields that use Date() to set defaults it
> >only shows #Name.  We tested on a machine that had OXP by downgrading
> >it to O2K
> >and the installation suddenly didn't work any more.
> >
> >The references that appear in the references box are - vbe6.dll,
> >msacc.olb, stdole2.tlb, msado25.tlb, dao360.dll, excel.exe.
> >
> >We have tried registering the files using regsvr.exe but this hasn't
> >helped.
> >
> >Can anyone please provide any things we can try?
> >
> >
> >Regards
> >
> >David Emerson
> >DALYN Software Ltd
> >25b Cunliffe St, Johnsonville
> >Wellington, New Zealand
> >Ph/Fax (877) 456-1205
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >AccessD mailing list
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> >
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu May 22 00:37:46 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (stuart at lexacorp.com.pg)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:37:46 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Using blat
In-Reply-To: <001901c3201f$bf613640$54dd31d2@OfficePC>
Message-ID: <3ECCEECA.16735.1B387CB@localhost>

On 22 May 2003 at 15:05, Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd. wrote:

> I have something I can send to you... but blat is not a DLL but a self 
> contained SMTP application. You do NOT need to install it in order to 
> get it to work, it just makes life easier :)
> 
> I will wrap up a sample tomorrow.. right now it's still wrapped up in 
> our application :)
> 

Blat comes as both a DLL and a stand alone application. I've got half a 
dozen apps that use the Blat.dll

It works just like the command line Blat with one proviso, the DLL is very 
sensitive to extra spaces in the cammand string. You need exactly one 
space between each parameter.-- 
Lexacorp Ltd
Information Technology Consultancy, Application Development





From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu May 22 00:37:47 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (stuart at lexacorp.com.pg)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:37:47 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Using blat
In-Reply-To: <000f01c31ff6$18152280$54dd31d2@OfficePC>
Message-ID: <3ECCEECB.23318.1B38BA9@localhost>

On 22 May 2003 at 10:07, Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd. wrote:

> 
> Hi everybody.
> 
> As I am having a couple of issues with Outlook which I normally use for sending email from my 
> mdb's, I want to try Blat which so many of you have recommended.
> 
> I am lost re: the installation and use of it.
> 
> I have read the readme which assumes a bit more knowledge than I have. I have copied blat.exe 
> to c:\winnt\system32 and the next instruction is :
> 
> "Run "Blat -install yourhost.site.blah.blah youruserid at site.blah.blah" which I am battling with.
> 
> What is: 'yourhost', 'site', blah blah? 
> And how does this work with client installs?
> (In today's case I want to send email through Outlook Express). 
> 
Blat doesn't use a client at all - so you don't end up with anything in your Outlook ro 
whatever Sent Box.  Blat sends a message directly to your SMTP server (which 
may be an Exchange box or may be your ISP depending on how you are set up.

Don't bother with the install, just give all the paramters on the command line.


-- 
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu May 22 02:05:07 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:05:07 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522134550.00b47ed0@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522123817.00b49200@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
 <5.2.0.9.0.20030522134550.00b47ed0@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <1203003338.20030522090507@cactus.dk>

Hi David

> Thanks - What about installing Excel 10.  Would that solve the problem?

Probably - you could also choose to refresh that reference by removing
it and adding it back; that will reference the current version.

/gustav


>>Bryan is correct.  Unless you want to manually change the references
>>from Excel 10.0 to Excel 9.0, change your excel code to late binding.


From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu May 22 02:17:11 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:17:11 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Custom  report page length - A2K - Urgent!
In-Reply-To: <004201c32000$b6cf8cd0$54dd31d2@OfficePC>
References: <004201c32000$b6cf8cd0$54dd31d2@OfficePC>
Message-ID: <1773727509.20030522091711@cactus.dk>

Hi Kath

> I am printing vouchers - 3 per page on an A4 sheet.
> I thought this would be dead easy - but how do I set a custom paper size?

You don't - because the paper size is A4.

Remove any headers and footers and adjust the detail section to use
1/3 of the paper height excluding top/bottom margins.

This assumes you are printing in portrait with the vouchers filling
the width of the paper and 1/3 of the height (99 x 210 mm, h x w),
although you write that the page is divided horizontally - but that
would be a very strange format (297 x 70 mm, h x w. Or w x h in
landscape).

/gustav


From andrew.curtis at wapl.com.au  Thu May 22 02:45:34 2003
From: andrew.curtis at wapl.com.au (Curtis, Andrew (WAPL))
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:45:34 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Sony Digicam API
Message-ID: <1C66E1A38F4E22499CE329884E3FA8B101E23A25@WAPLMAIL.wapl.com.au>

John, google produce some interesting hits:
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=sony+video+camera+API&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-
8&hl=en&meta=


andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Monday, 19 May 2003 11:01 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Sony Digicam API


I bought a Sony digicam for Mothers day and it has a cool little program
that can operate the camera over the USB port, moving back and forth in
the tape.  The camera itself can label segments on the tape, delete
labeled segments etc.  I was wondering if there is an API for
programming the video camera by sending "commands" over the USB port.
It seems like it must exist, but I can't find any such thing.  Has
anyone ever tried something like this?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From andrew.curtis at wapl.com.au  Thu May 22 02:52:31 2003
From: andrew.curtis at wapl.com.au (Curtis, Andrew (WAPL))
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:52:31 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] ODBC-Problem (Cross-posted)
Message-ID: <1C66E1A38F4E22499CE329884E3FA8B101E23A27@WAPLMAIL.wapl.com.au>

IN SQL Server help, lookup distinctrow or distinct I recal seeing siomething on this in there.

andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Br?sdorf [mailto:michael.broesdorf at web.de] 
Sent: Monday, 19 May 2003 4:23 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com; dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] ODBC-Problem (Cross-posted)


Hi all,

I have a strange problem with my Access 2K app:

The app uses linked ODBC tables to connect to a SQL-Server 2000. One of the tables actually links a view that combines data from 2 tables. A data entry form is based on that linked table.

I can update data in all the fields with one exception: when I try to update data in fields that originate from both base tables I get this ODBC error:

"[Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][SQL Server]View of function 'dbo.myview' is not updateable because the modification affects multiple base tables. (#4405#)"

It does not make a difference if I try that in the data entry form or the linked table directly.

Now, the strange thing is, if I open the view on the server using the enterprise manager, I _can_ update fields from different base tables simultaneously.

Is there any way to 'convince' my app, that this kind of updates _is_ possible?



Michael

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From SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au  Thu May 22 02:56:22 2003
From: SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au (Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 17:56:22 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Custom  report page length - A2K - Urgent!
References: <004201c32000$b6cf8cd0$54dd31d2@OfficePC>
	<1773727509.20030522091711@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000b01c32037$a3133160$54dd31d2@OfficePC>

Hi Gustav - in this report each voucher has a header (item header) with a description of the item and the detail section may have 1 or up to 5 items relating to that item. So fixing the detail height doesn't solve it because it will repeat depending on whether the item has 1,2,3,4, or 5 recs.

I need to specify that the whole report take a max of 9.0 cm height, which allows for my 5 detail recs.

I have had a play with using the top property on my item header's 'format' event, but no luck.

If I could get the beginning of each of the 3 repetitions of the report to start at 1, 10.9 and 20.9 cms. respectively instead of moving around that's all I need. This client uses paper with perforated sections for easy detaching into vouchers.
eg.

-----------------------------------
| Item Header               |
| detail rec 1                 |
| detail rec 2                 |
|                                  |
|                                  |
|                                  |
|----------------------------------|
| Item  Header               |
| detail rec 1                 |
| detail rec 2                 |
| detail rec 3                 |
| detail rec 4                 |
| detail rec 5                 |
|----------------------------------|
| Item Header               |
| detail rec 1                 |
| detail rec 2                 |
| detail rec 3                 |
| detail rec 4                 |
|                                  |
-----------------------------------


Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gustav Brock 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 5:17 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Custom report page length - A2K - Urgent!


  Hi Kath

  > I am printing vouchers - 3 per page on an A4 sheet.
  > I thought this would be dead easy - but how do I set a custom paper size?

  You don't - because the paper size is A4.

  Remove any headers and footers and adjust the detail section to use
  1/3 of the paper height excluding top/bottom margins.

  This assumes you are printing in portrait with the vouchers filling
  the width of the paper and 1/3 of the height (99 x 210 mm, h x w),
  although you write that the page is divided horizontally - but that
  would be a very strange format (297 x 70 mm, h x w. Or w x h in
  landscape).

  /gustav

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu May 22 03:18:58 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 10:18:58 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Custom  report page length - A2K - Urgent!
In-Reply-To: <000b01c32037$a3133160$54dd31d2@OfficePC>
References: <004201c32000$b6cf8cd0$54dd31d2@OfficePC>
	<000b01c32037$a3133160$54dd31d2@OfficePC>
Message-ID: <267434299.20030522101858@cactus.dk>

Hi Kath

In that case I would include the vouchers as a subreport on a blank
main page. Set CanGrow and CanShrink to False for the subreport.

/gustav


> Hi Gustav - in this report each voucher has a header (item header)
> with a description of the item and the detail section may have 1 or
> up to 5 items relating to that item. So fixing the detail height
> doesn't solve it because it will repeat depending on whether the
> item has 1,2,3,4, or 5 recs.  

> I need to specify that the whole report take a max of 9.0 cm height,
> which allows for my 5 detail recs. 


From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Thu May 22 03:36:00 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:36:00 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956A07@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

I get 152 files, but I couldn't tell you how many folders it's looking
through. 

Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Lytle [mailto:nancy.lytle at auatac.com] 
Sent: 21 May 2003 18:26
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


I got 171 listed in mine. The question is what do those directories have in
common. First step would be to create a directory name M then put a copy of
northwind in it and run it again and see what happens.

Nancy Lytle

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Allen
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 12:47 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Is there a limit to the number of directories and subdirectories that can be
searched/found this way? There used to be some absolute limits to the number
of directories in the root and other stuff... I'm wondering if there is a
limit, artificial or not, being hit here. Does it by chance find "exactly"
128, or 256, or 512, etc. folders/files before choking?


>-----Original Message-----
>From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
>Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 11:50 AM
>To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
>Interesting fact just spotted... All of the directories
>it doesn't look in
>are those which come after M in the alphabet and are
>coming from the root
>folder, and their sub-directories.
>
>It's as if it gets so far and just stops. Any way to troubleshoot what 
>it's doing? Why it's breaking?
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From SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au  Thu May 22 03:45:19 2003
From: SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au (Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 18:45:19 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Custom  report page length - A2K - Urgent!
References: 	<004201c32000$b6cf8cd0$54dd31d2@OfficePC><000b01c32037$a3133160$54dd31d2@OfficePC>
	<267434299.20030522101858@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001001c3203e$798bc490$54dd31d2@OfficePC>

You're right....I really must be tired.

Thanks Gustav. Much appreciated.
Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gustav Brock 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 6:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Custom report page length - A2K - Urgent!


  Hi Kath

  In that case I would include the vouchers as a subreport on a blank
  main page. Set CanGrow and CanShrink to False for the subreport.

  /gustav


  > Hi Gustav - in this report each voucher has a header (item header)
  > with a description of the item and the detail section may have 1 or
  > up to 5 items relating to that item. So fixing the detail height
  > doesn't solve it because it will repeat depending on whether the
  > item has 1,2,3,4, or 5 recs.  

  > I need to specify that the whole report take a max of 9.0 cm height,
  > which allows for my 5 detail recs. 

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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Thu May 22 04:02:53 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 10:02:53 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956A0E@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

This may be the case, but wouldn't explain why Charlotte got 0 files
returned in her search...

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Allen [mailto:chizotz at charter.net] 
Sent: 21 May 2003 17:47
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


Is there a limit to the number of directories and 
subdirectories that can be searched/found this way? There 
used to be some absolute limits to the number of 
directories in the root and other stuff... I'm wondering 
if there is a limit, artificial or not, being hit here. 
Does it by chance find "exactly" 128, or 256, or 512, etc. 
folders/files before choking?


>-----Original Message-----
>From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
>Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 11:50 AM
>To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
>
>
>Interesting fact just spotted... All of the directories
>it doesn't look in
>are those which come after M in the alphabet and are 
>coming from the root
>folder, and their sub-directories.
>
>It's as if it gets so far and just stops. Any way to
>troubleshoot what it's
>doing? Why it's breaking?
_______________________________________________
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Thu May 22 04:03:36 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 10:03:36 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956A0F@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

This guy is great! Thank you everyone.
 
Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com] 
Sent: 21 May 2003 13:28
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Hey, 
You can read several chapters from the book here:
http://tinyurl.com/8hc8 <http://tinyurl.com/8hc8> 
 
Not sure if these are the full chapters or not.
 
Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Bond
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:17 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Second that Charlotte.  Published by Apress.  ISBN 1-893115-94-1 (pbk.)
 
Stephen Bond

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 21 May 2003 2:57 a.m.
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


There's also a great book out call User Interface Design for Programmers, by
Joel Spolsky, that discusses Windows interface design in general, complete
with examples of what to avoid.
 
Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 


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From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Thu May 22 04:28:08 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 05:28:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522134550.00b47ed0@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
References: <001601c32001$91efbdd0$6401a8c0@papparuff>
Message-ID: <3ECC5FE8.32676.10B0F0@localhost>

On 22 May 2003 at 13:46, David Emerson wrote:

> Thanks - What about installing Excel 10.  Would that solve the
> problem?

Yep. It should.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Never test for a bug you don't know how to fix.



From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Thu May 22 04:28:08 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 05:28:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
In-Reply-To: <1203003338.20030522090507@cactus.dk>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522134550.00b47ed0@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <3ECC5FE8.10861.10B0AA@localhost>

On 22 May 2003 at 9:05, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi David
> 
> > Thanks - What about installing Excel 10.  Would that solve the
> > problem?
> 
> Probably - you could also choose to refresh that reference by removing
> it and adding it back; that will reference the current version.

Will that work in an ADE? Which is like an MDE IIRC. ANd I didn't 
think that you could do that with an MDE.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Learn from the mistakes of others. You can't live long enough to make 
them all yourself.



From carbonnb at sympatico.ca  Thu May 22 04:44:32 2003
From: carbonnb at sympatico.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 05:44:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Using blat
In-Reply-To: <00b701c3201f$b9863040$fd512304@amd2k>
Message-ID: <3ECC63C0.8588.1FB483@localhost>

On 21 May 2003 at 22:05, Francisco Tapia wrote:

> I have something I can send to you... but blat is not a DLL but a self
> contained SMTP application.  You do NOT need to install it in order to
> get it to work, it just makes life easier :)
> 
> I will wrap up a sample tomorrow.. right now it's still wrapped up in
> our application :)

There is a sample like this on DBA's website in the downloads 
section.

MailDB.zip - This is a demo of simple outgoing email without using 
MAPI. The code connects directly to the smtp server using sockets. 
The code can be used to send to multiple recipients with multiple 
attachments and can be used for bulk mailing. A simple form is 
included to demonstrate the code usage. - David Phelan

Whch can be found at: http://www.databaseadvisors.com/downloads.htm

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never 
cease to be amused.



From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu May 22 04:55:55 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:55:55 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
In-Reply-To: <3ECC5FE8.10861.10B0AA@localhost>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030522134550.00b47ed0@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
 <3ECC5FE8.10861.10B0AA@localhost>
Message-ID: <9313252105.20030522115555@cactus.dk>

Hi Bryan

I don't know - have never tried.

/gustav


>> > Thanks - What about installing Excel 10.  Would that solve the
>> > problem?
>> 
>> Probably - you could also choose to refresh that reference by removing
>> it and adding it back; that will reference the current version.

> Will that work in an ADE? Which is like an MDE IIRC. ANd I didn't 
> think that you could do that with an MDE.


From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca  Thu May 22 07:08:31 2003
From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 08:08:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K -
	References?
Message-ID: <secc8586.053@cbc.ca>

Neither have I.  Hopefully someone else will have a more definitive answer.

I'm not even sute I know exactly what an AD[P|E] is :)

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

>>> gustav at cactus.dk 22-May-03 5:55:55 AM >>>
Hi Bryan

I don't know - have never tried.

/gustav


>> > Thanks - What about installing Excel 10.  Would that solve the
>> > problem?
>> 
>> Probably - you could also choose to refresh that reference by removing
>> it and adding it back; that will reference the current version.

> Will that work in an ADE? Which is like an MDE IIRC. ANd I didn't 
> think that you could do that with an MDE.



From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Thu May 22 07:14:34 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 07:14:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F35844@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Drew,

Thanks for warning me that you use white on black. Ugh!  I will never
visit your website. <grin>

Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 21 20:38
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Oh, okay.  Personally I like to stick to black and white, as often as
possible.  Literally.  I use black backgrounds with white text.  I just
think it sticks out better then black on white.  However, something to
keep in mind, color is nice, however, a large portion of the population
is color blind to a certain extent.  Always be sure that places where
color is used, and differentiating things of different color is
important, to use colors that 'clash' spectrally, so even if someone is
seeing it as shades of grey (a severe color blind person), they would
still see the difference.

That's my only tip......

Drew

From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Thu May 22 07:19:29 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 07:19:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Custom  report page length - A2K - Urgent!
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F35845@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Kath,

The label wizard, customize label sizes, seems to be the way for you.


Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
-----Original Message-----
From: Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
[mailto:SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au] 
Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 21 23:25
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Custom report page length - A2K - Urgent!

I have worked out how to create a custom paper size  now, but that's
still not helping me.

I need to print 3 vouchers on an A4 page - imagine the page divided
horizontally into 3. I can't do it by just setting margins etc. because
within each voucher there may be 1 detail record, ot there may be up to
5, so Access keeps moving the sections around on me.

TIA
Kath

From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu May 22 07:41:19 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 08:41:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
In-Reply-To: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F35844@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEGNDNAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I must say I hate it myself.  I have been researching cameras lately and
there is a specific site, VERY good info, but white on black.  What a strain
it is reading that site.  8-(  I must say I went there and read their info,
every time, but every time came away cursing the eyestrain.

The thing to always remember in building a site is "it isn't what we like
that matters", at least in terms of preferences.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz, Charles
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:15 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Drew,

Thanks for warning me that you use white on black. Ugh!  I will never
visit your website. <grin>

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 21 20:38
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Oh, okay.  Personally I like to stick to black and white, as often as
possible.  Literally.  I use black backgrounds with white text.  I just
think it sticks out better then black on white.  However, something to
keep in mind, color is nice, however, a large portion of the population
is color blind to a certain extent.  Always be sure that places where
color is used, and differentiating things of different color is
important, to use colors that 'clash' spectrally, so even if someone is
seeing it as shades of grey (a severe color blind person), they would
still see the difference.

That's my only tip......

Drew
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From john at winhaven.net  Thu May 22 07:51:00 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 07:51:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A97 on WinXP
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJCEIPEGAA.john@winhaven.net>

Has anyone had any issues show up when installing/running A97 runtime app on
WinXP?

John B.
"In trouble-shooting mode"



From bheid at appdevgrp.com  Thu May 22 08:08:15 2003
From: bheid at appdevgrp.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:08:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <916187228923D311A6FE00A0CC3FAA303331E0@ADGSERVER>

I am red-green deficient myself.  One of the worst combinations for me on
web sites is red on blue or blue on red!  I have to select the text to read
it - lol.  Also a dark red on black is hard for me to see.
 
Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 9:38 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Oh, okay.  Personally I like to stick to black and white, as often as
possible.  Literally.  I use black backgrounds with white text.  I just
think it sticks out better then black on white.  However, something to keep
in mind, color is nice, however, a large portion of the population is color
blind to a certain extent.  Always be sure that places where color is used,
and differentiating things of different color is important, to use colors
that 'clash' spectrally, so even if someone is seeing it as shades of grey
(a severe color blind person), they would still see the difference.
 
That's my only tip......
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 4:07 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


We're about to start designing the interface for a data mining application.
My team hasn't had any formal training on interface design, and I didn't
want them to get all their ideas from me - better if they have a range of
examples! So we're having a couple of workshops where we discuss design
principles before we start doing the spec. This application will take a few
weeks to write and, if we get it right, be in use for 2-3 years so it's
worth putting some thought into.
 
Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 20:10
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


What kind of 'interface' are you looking for?
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:53 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples



Hi all 

Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a discussion about interface
design, and someone was hosting a gallery of different interfaces that had
been done with Access?

Does anybody know if it's still there, where it was, and whether there are
any other good resources out there? 

TIA 

Roz 

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From john at winhaven.net  Thu May 22 08:08:40 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 08:08:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C77@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKICEKBEHAA.john@winhaven.net>

MessageDrew,
I don't care for white on black. Your site isn't too bad because there isn't
much to read (and I like the wolf logo) but more than a paragraph or so and
the eye strain gets pretty heavy.

To be positive though, it is better than red on black, which I have seen on
at least one web site! Yeeoucch! Talk about eye strain!

JB
  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
  Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:38 PM
  To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


  Oh, okay.  Personally I like to stick to black and white, as often as
possible.  Literally.  I use black backgrounds with white text.  I just
think it sticks out better then black on white.  However, something to keep
in mind, color is nice, however, a large portion of the population is color
blind to a certain extent.  Always be sure that places where color is used,
and differentiating things of different color is important, to use colors
that 'clash' spectrally, so even if someone is seeing it as shades of grey
(a severe color blind person), they would still see the difference.

  That's my only tip......

  Drew
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
    Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 4:07 AM
    To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
    Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


    We're about to start designing the interface for a data mining
application. My team hasn't had any formal training on interface design, and
I didn't want them to get all their ideas from me - better if they have a
range of examples! So we're having a couple of workshops where we discuss
design principles before we start doing the spec. This application will take
a few weeks to write and, if we get it right, be in use for 2-3 years so
it's worth putting some thought into.

    Roz
      -----Original Message-----
      From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
      Sent: 20 May 2003 20:10
      To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
      Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


      What kind of 'interface' are you looking for?

      Drew
        -----Original Message-----
        From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
        Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:53 AM
        To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
        Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


        Hi all

        Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a discussion about
interface design, and someone was hosting a gallery of different interfaces
that had been done with Access?

        Does anybody know if it's still there, where it was, and whether
there are any other good resources out there?

        TIA

        Roz
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu May 22 08:15:58 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:15:58 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <20030522131555.9433C1D86D7@mrburns.nildram.co.uk>

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From SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au  Thu May 22 08:36:02 2003
From: SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au (Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 23:36:02 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Custom  report page length - A2K - Urgent!
References: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F35845@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <004301c32067$16de65e0$54dd31d2@OfficePC>

I wouldn't have thought of that to get a custom page size - very clever. 

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Wortz, Charles 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 10:19 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Custom report page length - A2K - Urgent!


  Kath,

  The label wizard, customize label sizes, seems to be the way for you.


  Charles Wortz 
  Software Development Division 
  Texas Education Agency 
  1701 N. Congress Ave 
  Austin, TX 78701-1494 
  512-463-9493 
  CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
  [mailto:SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au] 
  Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 21 23:25
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Custom report page length - A2K - Urgent!

  I have worked out how to create a custom paper size  now, but that's
  still not helping me.

  I need to print 3 vouchers on an A4 page - imagine the page divided
  horizontally into 3. I can't do it by just setting margins etc. because
  within each voucher there may be 1 detail record, ot there may be up to
  5, so Access keeps moving the sections around on me.

  TIA
  Kath
  _______________________________________________
  AccessD mailing list
  AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Thu May 22 08:46:08 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:46:08 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956A1F@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

Psych studies have actually shown that the human eye differentiates light on
dark more easily than dark on light and a dark background (making up, as it
does, most of the screen) should cause less strain to the eyes, being less
bright.
 
However, I think that we find reading white-on-black easiest because we've
all been habituated to it from reading books.
 
Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: 22 May 2003 14:09
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Drew,
I don't care for white on black. Your site isn't too bad because there isn't
much to read (and I like the wolf logo) but more than a paragraph or so and
the eye strain gets pretty heavy.
 
To be positive though, it is better than red on black, which I have seen on
at least one web site! Yeeoucch! Talk about eye strain!
 
JB

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:38 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Oh, okay.  Personally I like to stick to black and white, as often as
possible.  Literally.  I use black backgrounds with white text.  I just
think it sticks out better then black on white.  However, something to keep
in mind, color is nice, however, a large portion of the population is color
blind to a certain extent.  Always be sure that places where color is used,
and differentiating things of different color is important, to use colors
that 'clash' spectrally, so even if someone is seeing it as shades of grey
(a severe color blind person), they would still see the difference.
 
That's my only tip......
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 4:07 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


We're about to start designing the interface for a data mining application.
My team hasn't had any formal training on interface design, and I didn't
want them to get all their ideas from me - better if they have a range of
examples! So we're having a couple of workshops where we discuss design
principles before we start doing the spec. This application will take a few
weeks to write and, if we get it right, be in use for 2-3 years so it's
worth putting some thought into.
 
Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 20:10
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


What kind of 'interface' are you looking for?
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:53 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples



Hi all 

Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a discussion about interface
design, and someone was hosting a gallery of different interfaces that had
been done with Access?

Does anybody know if it's still there, where it was, and whether there are
any other good resources out there? 

TIA 

Roz 

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From jim.hale at fleetpride.com  Thu May 22 08:50:54 2003
From: jim.hale at fleetpride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 08:50:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Virus
Message-ID: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF873061767B2@corp-es00>

The biggest tipoff that it wasn't really Microsoft was that it was free. <g>
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 11:12 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus


That's pretty much the approach I take too, although I sometimes look at
the header just for amusement.  It's kind of amusing to see
"support at microsoft.com" when the rest of the header is a mismash of
prodigy and other domains with no-name addresses.  Yeah, sure,
Microsoft sent it.  Right.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Williamson [mailto:kwilliam at ashlandnet.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus


I got it too...but knew better than to open it.  ;)  It could be from
GOD...I don't open anything unless I know what it is, first.

Keith E. Williamson
Ashland Equipment, Inc
phone # (410) 273-1856
fax #     (410) 273-1859

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
PBudge at cbsol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 11:43 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Virus


Ok.  I've only had it here and other than a few internal emails, I only
really get the list on this address.  So when everybody started saying
they'd been getting it too, it seemed possible.

Thanks

Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions


 

                      "Charlotte Foust"

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<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

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                      Please respond to accessd

 

 





I've been getting it at work for a week or so, but I'm also getting it
at home on two different email addresses, so I don't think it's related
to the list.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: PBudge at cbsol.com [mailto:PBudge at cbsol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virus



I got the exact email yesterday and again today.  Fortunately, I use
Lotus Notes here at work so didn't have any problems with it.  You
getting it too does make me wonder if it's not related to the list
though - perhaps someone else on the list is infected?  I assume that
Drew's archives don't show our email addresses.


Pamela G. Budge
PBudge at cbsol.com
Creative Business Solutions




                      "John Colby"

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                      Please respond to accessd









Just a heads up for those with poor virus protection...

I just got an email "from" 'Support at Microsoft.com', Re: Approved (Ref:
3394-65467).

It had a virus in an attached file which NAV found and quarantined.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu May 22 09:01:51 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 10:01:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956A1F@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEHCDNAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

MessageNo, it is more than that.  I know about the studies you refer to but
those refer specifically to printed material.  In the case of a monitor, it
turns out the reverse is true.  The resolution of the screen, the pixel turn
on time (electronics behind the image) and the size of the object being
assimilated by the eye and the brain all play a factor.  Printed material
usually has a very sharply defined "edge" between the dark and the light,
whereas with TV tube monitors, the waveform that defines the dot on the
screen causes the average intensity to be lower than might otherwise
expected.  In essence the "dot" is only fully turned on in the very center,
whereas the edges of the pixel are dimmer.

When taken together, it just doesn't work the same with monitors as it does
with print.  This (your study) may in fact be true again with the new LCD
displays since each pixel really is either on or off, and the entire pixel
is the same intensity across the whole.  In the meantime, I am poor and use
the older technology.  ;-)
John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
  Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 9:46 AM
  To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


  Psych studies have actually shown that the human eye differentiates light
on dark more easily than dark on light and a dark background (making up, as
it does, most of the screen) should cause less strain to the eyes, being
less bright.

  However, I think that we find reading white-on-black easiest because we've
all been habituated to it from reading books.

  Roz
    -----Original Message-----
    From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
    Sent: 22 May 2003 14:09
    To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
    Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


    Drew,
    I don't care for white on black. Your site isn't too bad because there
isn't much to read (and I like the wolf logo) but more than a paragraph or
so and the eye strain gets pretty heavy.

    To be positive though, it is better than red on black, which I have seen
on at least one web site! Yeeoucch! Talk about eye strain!

    JB
      -----Original Message-----
      From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
      Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:38 PM
      To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
      Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


      Oh, okay.  Personally I like to stick to black and white, as often as
possible.  Literally.  I use black backgrounds with white text.  I just
think it sticks out better then black on white.  However, something to keep
in mind, color is nice, however, a large portion of the population is color
blind to a certain extent.  Always be sure that places where color is used,
and differentiating things of different color is important, to use colors
that 'clash' spectrally, so even if someone is seeing it as shades of grey
(a severe color blind person), they would still see the difference.

      That's my only tip......

      Drew
        -----Original Message-----
        From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
        Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 4:07 AM
        To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
        Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


        We're about to start designing the interface for a data mining
application. My team hasn't had any formal training on interface design, and
I didn't want them to get all their ideas from me - better if they have a
range of examples! So we're having a couple of workshops where we discuss
design principles before we start doing the spec. This application will take
a few weeks to write and, if we get it right, be in use for 2-3 years so
it's worth putting some thought into.

        Roz
          -----Original Message-----
          From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
          Sent: 20 May 2003 20:10
          To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
          Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


          What kind of 'interface' are you looking for?

          Drew
            -----Original Message-----
            From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
            Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:53 AM
            To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
            Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


            Hi all

            Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a discussion
about interface design, and someone was hosting a gallery of different
interfaces that had been done with Access?

            Does anybody know if it's still there, where it was, and whether
there are any other good resources out there?

            TIA

            Roz
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From john at winhaven.net  Thu May 22 09:23:12 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:23:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
In-Reply-To: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956A1F@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKICEKCEHAA.john@winhaven.net>

MessageCould well be!

I don't particularily like black on white either though I like white on dark
gray or black on light gray. Both seem to give me less eye strain than the
stark contrast of white/black. I've got glaucoma so it could be I just have
wierd eyes all the way around :o(

JB

  Psych studies have actually shown that the human eye differentiates light
on dark more easily than dark on light and a dark background (making up, as
it does, most of the screen) should cause less strain to the eyes, being
less bright.

  However, I think that we find reading white-on-black easiest because we've
all been habituated to it from reading books.

  Roz
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Thu May 22 09:24:36 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:24:36 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956A21@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>

>I am poor and use the older technology.  ;-)
 
As are most of us, JC... nice to have my info updated :)

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: 22 May 2003 15:02
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


No, it is more than that.  I know about the studies you refer to but those
refer specifically to printed material.  In the case of a monitor, it turns
out the reverse is true.  The resolution of the screen, the pixel turn on
time (electronics behind the image) and the size of the object being
assimilated by the eye and the brain all play a factor.  Printed material
usually has a very sharply defined "edge" between the dark and the light,
whereas with TV tube monitors, the waveform that defines the dot on the
screen causes the average intensity to be lower than might otherwise
expected.  In essence the "dot" is only fully turned on in the very center,
whereas the edges of the pixel are dimmer.  
 
When taken together, it just doesn't work the same with monitors as it does
with print.  This (your study) may in fact be true again with the new LCD
displays since each pixel really is either on or off, and the entire pixel
is the same intensity across the whole.  In the meantime, I am poor and use
the older technology.  ;-)

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Roz Clarke
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 9:46 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Psych studies have actually shown that the human eye differentiates light on
dark more easily than dark on light and a dark background (making up, as it
does, most of the screen) should cause less strain to the eyes, being less
bright.
 
However, I think that we find reading white-on-black easiest because we've
all been habituated to it from reading books.
 
Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: 22 May 2003 14:09
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Drew,
I don't care for white on black. Your site isn't too bad because there isn't
much to read (and I like the wolf logo) but more than a paragraph or so and
the eye strain gets pretty heavy.
 
To be positive though, it is better than red on black, which I have seen on
at least one web site! Yeeoucch! Talk about eye strain!
 
JB

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:38 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Oh, okay.  Personally I like to stick to black and white, as often as
possible.  Literally.  I use black backgrounds with white text.  I just
think it sticks out better then black on white.  However, something to keep
in mind, color is nice, however, a large portion of the population is color
blind to a certain extent.  Always be sure that places where color is used,
and differentiating things of different color is important, to use colors
that 'clash' spectrally, so even if someone is seeing it as shades of grey
(a severe color blind person), they would still see the difference.
 
That's my only tip......
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 4:07 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


We're about to start designing the interface for a data mining application.
My team hasn't had any formal training on interface design, and I didn't
want them to get all their ideas from me - better if they have a range of
examples! So we're having a couple of workshops where we discuss design
principles before we start doing the spec. This application will take a few
weeks to write and, if we get it right, be in use for 2-3 years so it's
worth putting some thought into.
 
Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 20:10
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


What kind of 'interface' are you looking for?
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:53 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples



Hi all 

Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a discussion about interface
design, and someone was hosting a gallery of different interfaces that had
been done with Access?

Does anybody know if it's still there, where it was, and whether there are
any other good resources out there? 

TIA 

Roz 

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu May 22 09:38:22 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 07:38:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
References:  <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956A1F@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3ECCE0DE.5070801@shaw.ca>

Well, Black print on a Red background is a good security measure. It 
prevents you from photocopying the screen. ;)

Roz Clarke wrote:

> Psych studies have actually shown that the human eye differentiates 
> light on dark more easily than dark on light and a dark background 
> (making up, as it does, most of the screen) should cause less strain 
> to the eyes, being less bright.
>  
> However, I think that we find reading white-on-black easiest because 
> we've all been habituated to it from reading books.
>  
> Roz
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
>     Sent: 22 May 2003 14:09
>     To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>     Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
>
>     Drew,
>     I don't care for white on black. Your site isn't too bad because
>     there isn't much to read (and I like the wolf logo) but more than
>     a paragraph or so and the eye strain gets pretty heavy.
>      
>     To be positive though, it is better than red on black, which I
>     have seen on at least one web site! Yeeoucch! Talk about eye strain!
>      
>     JB
>
>         -----Original Message-----
>         From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>         [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew
>         Wutka
>         Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:38 PM
>         To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
>         Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
>
>         Oh, okay.  Personally I like to stick to black and white, as
>         often as possible.  Literally.  I use black backgrounds with
>         white text.  I just think it sticks out better then black on
>         white.  However, something to keep in mind, color is nice,
>         however, a large portion of the population is color blind to a
>         certain extent.  Always be sure that places where color is
>         used, and differentiating things of different color is
>         important, to use colors that 'clash' spectrally, so even if
>         someone is seeing it as shades of grey (a severe color blind
>         person), they would still see the difference.
>          
>         That's my only tip......
>          
>         Drew
>
>             -----Original Message-----
>             From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
>             Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 4:07 AM
>             To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
>             Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
>
>             We're about to start designing the interface for a data
>             mining application. My team hasn't had any formal training
>             on interface design, and I didn't want them to get all
>             their ideas from me - better if they have a range of
>             examples! So we're having a couple of workshops where we
>             discuss design principles before we start doing the spec.
>             This application will take a few weeks to write and, if we
>             get it right, be in use for 2-3 years so it's worth
>             putting some thought into.
>              
>             Roz
>
>                 -----Original Message-----
>                 From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
>                 Sent: 20 May 2003 20:10
>                 To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
>                 Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
>
>                 What kind of 'interface' are you looking for?
>                  
>                 Drew
>
>                     -----Original Message-----
>                     From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
>                     Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:53 AM
>                     To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
>                     Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
>
>                     Hi all
>
>                     Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a
>                     discussion about interface design, and someone was
>                     hosting a gallery of different interfaces that had
>                     been done with Access?
>
>                     Does anybody know if it's still there, where it
>                     was, and whether there are any other good
>                     resources out there?
>
>                     TIA
>
>                     Roz
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 22 09:41:55 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 07:41:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FAF@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Studies may show that, buy my own experience suggests otherwise.  I
remember the old green and amber screen and white on black monitors and
I can say without doubt that it is easier to read blank on white
displays than those horrors!
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
	Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 5:46 AM
	To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
	
	
	Psych studies have actually shown that the human eye
differentiates light on dark more easily than dark on light and a dark
background (making up, as it does, most of the screen) should cause less
strain to the eyes, being less bright.
	 
	However, I think that we find reading white-on-black easiest
because we've all been habituated to it from reading books.
	 
	Roz

		-----Original Message-----
		From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
		Sent: 22 May 2003 14:09
		To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
		Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
		
		
		Drew,
		I don't care for white on black. Your site isn't too bad
because there isn't much to read (and I like the wolf logo) but more
than a paragraph or so and the eye strain gets pretty heavy.
		 
		To be positive though, it is better than red on black,
which I have seen on at least one web site! Yeeoucch! Talk about eye
strain!
		 
		JB

			-----Original Message-----
			From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
			Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:38 PM
			To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
			Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
			
			
			Oh, okay.  Personally I like to stick to black
and white, as often as possible.  Literally.  I use black backgrounds
with white text.  I just think it sticks out better then black on white.
However, something to keep in mind, color is nice, however, a large
portion of the population is color blind to a certain extent.  Always be
sure that places where color is used, and differentiating things of
different color is important, to use colors that 'clash' spectrally, so
even if someone is seeing it as shades of grey (a severe color blind
person), they would still see the difference.
			 
			That's my only tip......
			 
			Drew

				-----Original Message-----
				From: Roz Clarke
[mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
				Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 4:07 AM
				To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
				Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface
Examples
				
				
				We're about to start designing the
interface for a data mining application. My team hasn't had any formal
training on interface design, and I didn't want them to get all their
ideas from me - better if they have a range of examples! So we're having
a couple of workshops where we discuss design principles before we start
doing the spec. This application will take a few weeks to write and, if
we get it right, be in use for 2-3 years so it's worth putting some
thought into.
				 
				Roz

				-----Original Message-----
				From: Drew Wutka
[mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
				Sent: 20 May 2003 20:10
				To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
				Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface
Examples
				
				
				What kind of 'interface' are you looking
for?
				 
				Drew

				-----Original Message-----
				From: Roz Clarke
[mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
				Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:53 AM
				To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
				Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface
Examples
				
				

				Hi all 

				Does anybody remember a looong time ago
we had a discussion about interface design, and someone was hosting a
gallery of different interfaces that had been done with Access?

				Does anybody know if it's still there,
where it was, and whether there are any other good resources out there? 

				TIA 

				Roz 

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 22 09:44:00 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 07:44:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A97 on WinXP
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FB0@infoserver01.infostat.local>

We do it all the time, since most of our development and testing
platforms are WinXP and our current released version of all our products
is in A97 (I'm still working on the AXP migration).  Are you having
problems?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 4:51 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] A97 on WinXP


Has anyone had any issues show up when installing/running A97 runtime
app on WinXP?

John B.
"In trouble-shooting mode"


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 22 09:44:48 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 07:44:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FB1@infoserver01.infostat.local>

LOL

I'll keep that in mind the next time I look for a screen to photocopy!
<VBG>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: MartyConnelly [mailto:martyconnelly at shaw.ca] 
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 6:38 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Well, Black print on a Red background is a good security measure. It 
prevents you from photocopying the screen. ;)

Roz Clarke wrote:

> Psych studies have actually shown that the human eye differentiates
> light on dark more easily than dark on light and a dark background 
> (making up, as it does, most of the screen) should cause less strain 
> to the eyes, being less bright.
>  
> However, I think that we find reading white-on-black easiest because
> we've all been habituated to it from reading books.
>  
> Roz
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
>     Sent: 22 May 2003 14:09
>     To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>     Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
>
>     Drew,
>     I don't care for white on black. Your site isn't too bad because
>     there isn't much to read (and I like the wolf logo) but more than
>     a paragraph or so and the eye strain gets pretty heavy.
>      
>     To be positive though, it is better than red on black, which I
>     have seen on at least one web site! Yeeoucch! Talk about eye 
> strain!
>      
>     JB
>
>         -----Original Message-----
>         From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>         [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew
>         Wutka
>         Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:38 PM
>         To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
>         Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
>
>         Oh, okay.  Personally I like to stick to black and white, as
>         often as possible.  Literally.  I use black backgrounds with
>         white text.  I just think it sticks out better then black on
>         white.  However, something to keep in mind, color is nice,
>         however, a large portion of the population is color blind to a
>         certain extent.  Always be sure that places where color is
>         used, and differentiating things of different color is
>         important, to use colors that 'clash' spectrally, so even if
>         someone is seeing it as shades of grey (a severe color blind
>         person), they would still see the difference.
>          
>         That's my only tip......
>          
>         Drew
>
>             -----Original Message-----
>             From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
>             Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 4:07 AM
>             To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
>             Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
>
>             We're about to start designing the interface for a data
>             mining application. My team hasn't had any formal training
>             on interface design, and I didn't want them to get all
>             their ideas from me - better if they have a range of
>             examples! So we're having a couple of workshops where we
>             discuss design principles before we start doing the spec.
>             This application will take a few weeks to write and, if we
>             get it right, be in use for 2-3 years so it's worth
>             putting some thought into.
>              
>             Roz
>
>                 -----Original Message-----
>                 From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
>                 Sent: 20 May 2003 20:10
>                 To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
>                 Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
>
>                 What kind of 'interface' are you looking for?
>                  
>                 Drew
>
>                     -----Original Message-----
>                     From: Roz Clarke
[mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
>                     Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:53 AM
>                     To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
>                     Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
>
>                     Hi all
>
>                     Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a
>                     discussion about interface design, and someone was
>                     hosting a gallery of different interfaces that had
>                     been done with Access?
>
>                     Does anybody know if it's still there, where it
>                     was, and whether there are any other good
>                     resources out there?
>
>                     TIA
>
>                     Roz
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 22 09:48:37 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 07:48:37 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K -References?
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FB2@infoserver01.infostat.local>

And ADE is a compiled ADP, which is an Access project front-ending SQL
Server rather than an MDB with linked tables.  You can't refresh or
change references in an ADE or an MDE.  If Access/Windows can resolve
the reference, you may be OK ... Or not.  I've seen the Not instance.
You cannot remove the reference and add it back because that is a design
change and those aren't allowed in compiled projects, ADE or MDE.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca] 
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 4:09 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K -References?


Neither have I.  Hopefully someone else will have a more definitive
answer.

I'm not even sute I know exactly what an AD[P|E] is :)

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

>>> gustav at cactus.dk 22-May-03 5:55:55 AM >>>
Hi Bryan

I don't know - have never tried.

/gustav


>> > Thanks - What about installing Excel 10.  Would that solve the 
>> > problem?
>> 
>> Probably - you could also choose to refresh that reference by 
>> removing it and adding it back; that will reference the current 
>> version.

> Will that work in an ADE? Which is like an MDE IIRC. ANd I didn't
> think that you could do that with an MDE.


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 22 09:52:36 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 07:52:36 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ODBC-Problem (Cross-posted)
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FB4@infoserver01.infostat.local>

If you link directly to the view in Access, is it updateable?  If not, then it's the design of the view that is the problem.  There are SQL Server fields, like the datetime fields, that can't be edited directly from Access, and SQL Views are not necessarily updateable in Access.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Curtis, Andrew (WAPL) [mailto:andrew.curtis at wapl.com.au] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 11:53 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ODBC-Problem (Cross-posted)


IN SQL Server help, lookup distinctrow or distinct I recal seeing siomething on this in there.

andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Br?sdorf [mailto:michael.broesdorf at web.de] 
Sent: Monday, 19 May 2003 4:23 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com; dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] ODBC-Problem (Cross-posted)


Hi all,

I have a strange problem with my Access 2K app:

The app uses linked ODBC tables to connect to a SQL-Server 2000. One of the tables actually links a view that combines data from 2 tables. A data entry form is based on that linked table.

I can update data in all the fields with one exception: when I try to update data in fields that originate from both base tables I get this ODBC error:

"[Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][SQL Server]View of function 'dbo.myview' is not updateable because the modification affects multiple base tables. (#4405#)"

It does not make a difference if I try that in the data entry form or the linked table directly.

Now, the strange thing is, if I open the view on the server using the enterprise manager, I _can_ update fields from different base tables simultaneously.

Is there any way to 'convince' my app, that this kind of updates _is_ possible?



Michael

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 22 09:53:59 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 07:53:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Using blat
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FB5@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Francisco,

Can you send me a copy as well?  cfoust at infostatsystems.com

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Francisco Tapia [mailto:my.lists at verizon.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 9:05 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using blat


I have something I can send to you... but blat is not a DLL but a self
contained SMTP application.  You do NOT need to install it in order to
get it to work, it just makes life easier :)

I will wrap up a sample tomorrow.. right now it's still wrapped up in
our application :)

-Francisco
http://rcm.netfirms.com/
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd. 
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 5:07 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Using blat


Hi everybody.

As I am having a couple of issues with Outlook which I normally use for
sending email from my mdb's, I want to try Blat which so many of you
have recommended.

I am lost re: the installation and use of it.

I have read the readme which assumes a bit more knowledge than I have. I
have copied blat.exe to c:\winnt\system32 and the next instruction is :

"Run "Blat -install yourhost.site.blah.blah youruserid at site.blah.blah"
which I am battling with.

What is: 'yourhost', 'site', blah blah? 
And how does this work with client installs?
(In today's case I want to send email through Outlook Express). 

BTW, does anyone have a sample mdb whichuses Blat? Or does anyone have
something else they can recommend?

TIA
Kath





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Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.
Ph: 9505-6714
Fax: 9505-6430
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From artful at rogers.com  Thu May 22 10:13:32 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:13:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ADO version checker
Message-ID: <036d01c32074$b511e590$8e01a8c0@Rock>

I can't remember what the file is called and I can't find it at Microsoft
either. Can someone send me an URL?

A client is having very bizarre behaviour and I have no idea why. On the
main switchboard are 5 dropdowns for quick-find. On her machine 3 of them
are empty; on 3 of my machines everything works as expected. I have no idea
why this is happening so I'm asking her to get all the system info for me,
and now I need said utility so she can run it.

Anyone seen such strange behaviour before?

TIA,
Arthur


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu May 22 10:23:43 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:23:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
In-Reply-To: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKICEKCEHAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPCEHHDNAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

MessageJohn, I agree.  Dark blue on very pale grey are my favorite combo.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
  Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 10:23 AM
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


  Could well be!

  I don't particularily like black on white either though I like white on
dark gray or black on light gray. Both seem to give me less eye strain than
the stark contrast of white/black. I've got glaucoma so it could be I just
have wierd eyes all the way around :o(

  JB

    Psych studies have actually shown that the human eye differentiates
light on dark more easily than dark on light and a dark background (making
up, as it does, most of the screen) should cause less strain to the eyes,
being less bright.

    However, I think that we find reading white-on-black easiest because
we've all been habituated to it from reading books.

    Roz
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From jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com  Thu May 22 10:23:44 2003
From: jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com (jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 10:23:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADO version checker
Message-ID: <OF2E498631.871AAACA-ON86256D2E.00546662-86256D2E.00549243@nc.us.bank-dns.com>

I believe this is the URL that you are looking for:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/downloads/list/dataaccess.asp

There are many downloads on the page so you might have to look at little.

Hope this helps.

-Jeff




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        Subject:        [AccessD] ADO version checker


I can't remember what the file is called and I can't find it at Microsoft
either. Can someone send me an URL?

A client is having very bizarre behaviour and I have no idea why. On the
main switchboard are 5 dropdowns for quick-find. On her machine 3 of them
are empty; on 3 of my machines everything works as expected. I have no 
idea
why this is happening so I'm asking her to get all the system info for me,
and now I need said utility so she can run it.

Anyone seen such strange behaviour before?

TIA,
Arthur

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From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Thu May 22 10:36:37 2003
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:36:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ADO version checker
Message-ID: <806536912C472E4A9D6515DF2E57261E0C5A7A@mercury.tnco-inc.com>

Component Checker?
ComCheck

Joe R.

-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 11:14 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] ADO version checker

I can't remember what the file is called and I can't find it at Microsoft
either. Can someone send me an URL?

A client is having very bizarre behaviour and I have no idea why. On the
main switchboard are 5 dropdowns for quick-find. On her machine 3 of them
are empty; on 3 of my machines everything works as expected. I have no idea
why this is happening so I'm asking her to get all the system info for me,
and now I need said utility so she can run it.

Anyone seen such strange behaviour before?

TIA,
Arthur

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 22 10:38:48 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 08:38:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ADO version checker
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FB6@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Actually, I have.  It turned out to be a reference to an MDE code
library that didn't show up as broken on the target machines because
Windows reconciled it.  However, it wasn't in the same location as on
the development machine and so it didn't really work and caused various
odd dislocations like that.  We finally decided to force a standard
location on the file to avoid the problem in the future.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 7:14 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] ADO version checker


I can't remember what the file is called and I can't find it at
Microsoft either. Can someone send me an URL?

A client is having very bizarre behaviour and I have no idea why. On the
main switchboard are 5 dropdowns for quick-find. On her machine 3 of
them are empty; on 3 of my machines everything works as expected. I have
no idea why this is happening so I'm asking her to get all the system
info for me, and now I need said utility so she can run it.

Anyone seen such strange behaviour before?

TIA,
Arthur

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From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Thu May 22 10:56:25 2003
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:56:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ADO version checker
Message-ID: <806536912C472E4A9D6515DF2E57261E0C5A7B@mercury.tnco-inc.com>

Opps, link didn't come through!

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=8F0A8DF6-4A21-4B43-
BF53-14332EF092C9&displaylang=en

(wrap!)

Joe R.

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Rojas [mailto:JRojas at tnco-inc.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 11:37 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADO version checker

Component Checker?
ComCheck

Joe R.

-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 11:14 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] ADO version checker

I can't remember what the file is called and I can't find it at Microsoft
either. Can someone send me an URL?

A client is having very bizarre behaviour and I have no idea why. On the
main switchboard are 5 dropdowns for quick-find. On her machine 3 of them
are empty; on 3 of my machines everything works as expected. I have no idea
why this is happening so I'm asking her to get all the system info for me,
and now I need said utility so she can run it.

Anyone seen such strange behaviour before?

TIA,
Arthur

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu May 22 11:14:56 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:14:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C81@main2.marlow.com>

Grin.  Don't you like white on black?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 7:15 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Drew,

Thanks for warning me that you use white on black. Ugh!  I will never
visit your website. <grin>

Charles Wortz 
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-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 21 20:38
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Oh, okay.  Personally I like to stick to black and white, as often as
possible.  Literally.  I use black backgrounds with white text.  I just
think it sticks out better then black on white.  However, something to
keep in mind, color is nice, however, a large portion of the population
is color blind to a certain extent.  Always be sure that places where
color is used, and differentiating things of different color is
important, to use colors that 'clash' spectrally, so even if someone is
seeing it as shades of grey (a severe color blind person), they would
still see the difference.

That's my only tip......

Drew
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu May 22 11:15:42 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:15:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C82@main2.marlow.com>

I never thought white on black was hard to read.  I'll have to keep that in
mind.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 7:41 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


I must say I hate it myself.  I have been researching cameras lately and
there is a specific site, VERY good info, but white on black.  What a strain
it is reading that site.  8-(  I must say I went there and read their info,
every time, but every time came away cursing the eyestrain.

The thing to always remember in building a site is "it isn't what we like
that matters", at least in terms of preferences.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz, Charles
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:15 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Drew,

Thanks for warning me that you use white on black. Ugh!  I will never
visit your website. <grin>

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 21 20:38
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Oh, okay.  Personally I like to stick to black and white, as often as
possible.  Literally.  I use black backgrounds with white text.  I just
think it sticks out better then black on white.  However, something to
keep in mind, color is nice, however, a large portion of the population
is color blind to a certain extent.  Always be sure that places where
color is used, and differentiating things of different color is
important, to use colors that 'clash' spectrally, so even if someone is
seeing it as shades of grey (a severe color blind person), they would
still see the difference.

That's my only tip......

Drew
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu May 22 11:18:17 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:18:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C84@main2.marlow.com>

I like black on white too, however, I think that looks plain.  I thought
white on black was the same contrast level.....more then any other color on
color.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:09 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Drew,
I don't care for white on black. Your site isn't too bad because there isn't
much to read (and I like the wolf logo) but more than a paragraph or so and
the eye strain gets pretty heavy.
 
To be positive though, it is better than red on black, which I have seen on
at least one web site! Yeeoucch! Talk about eye strain!
 
JB

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:38 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Oh, okay.  Personally I like to stick to black and white, as often as
possible.  Literally.  I use black backgrounds with white text.  I just
think it sticks out better then black on white.  However, something to keep
in mind, color is nice, however, a large portion of the population is color
blind to a certain extent.  Always be sure that places where color is used,
and differentiating things of different color is important, to use colors
that 'clash' spectrally, so even if someone is seeing it as shades of grey
(a severe color blind person), they would still see the difference.
 
That's my only tip......
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 4:07 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


We're about to start designing the interface for a data mining application.
My team hasn't had any formal training on interface design, and I didn't
want them to get all their ideas from me - better if they have a range of
examples! So we're having a couple of workshops where we discuss design
principles before we start doing the spec. This application will take a few
weeks to write and, if we get it right, be in use for 2-3 years so it's
worth putting some thought into.
 
Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 20:10
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


What kind of 'interface' are you looking for?
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:53 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples



Hi all 

Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a discussion about interface
design, and someone was hosting a gallery of different interfaces that had
been done with Access?

Does anybody know if it's still there, where it was, and whether there are
any other good resources out there? 

TIA 

Roz 

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu May 22 11:20:22 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:20:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C86@main2.marlow.com>

That's what I thought (though I think you have your last sentence
reversed...books are black on white...).  White on Black is letting your
eye's see what's there, not what's NOT there.  (Since Black is the absence
of all color, and white is the presence of all.)
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:46 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Psych studies have actually shown that the human eye differentiates light on
dark more easily than dark on light and a dark background (making up, as it
does, most of the screen) should cause less strain to the eyes, being less
bright.
 
However, I think that we find reading white-on-black easiest because we've
all been habituated to it from reading books.
 
Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: 22 May 2003 14:09
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Drew,
I don't care for white on black. Your site isn't too bad because there isn't
much to read (and I like the wolf logo) but more than a paragraph or so and
the eye strain gets pretty heavy.
 
To be positive though, it is better than red on black, which I have seen on
at least one web site! Yeeoucch! Talk about eye strain!
 
JB

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:38 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Oh, okay.  Personally I like to stick to black and white, as often as
possible.  Literally.  I use black backgrounds with white text.  I just
think it sticks out better then black on white.  However, something to keep
in mind, color is nice, however, a large portion of the population is color
blind to a certain extent.  Always be sure that places where color is used,
and differentiating things of different color is important, to use colors
that 'clash' spectrally, so even if someone is seeing it as shades of grey
(a severe color blind person), they would still see the difference.
 
That's my only tip......
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 4:07 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


We're about to start designing the interface for a data mining application.
My team hasn't had any formal training on interface design, and I didn't
want them to get all their ideas from me - better if they have a range of
examples! So we're having a couple of workshops where we discuss design
principles before we start doing the spec. This application will take a few
weeks to write and, if we get it right, be in use for 2-3 years so it's
worth putting some thought into.
 
Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 20:10
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


What kind of 'interface' are you looking for?
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:53 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples



Hi all 

Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a discussion about interface
design, and someone was hosting a gallery of different interfaces that had
been done with Access?

Does anybody know if it's still there, where it was, and whether there are
any other good resources out there? 

TIA 

Roz 

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From dkalsow at yahoo.com  Thu May 22 11:34:37 2003
From: dkalsow at yahoo.com (Dale Kalsow)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:34:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Cycling through subform controls
In-Reply-To: <806536912C472E4A9D6515DF2E57261E0C5A7B@mercury.tnco-inc.com>
Message-ID: <20030522163437.87607.qmail@web9801.mail.yahoo.com>


I have the following line of code:

For Each ctlC In Forms(Me.Name)

 

It works great if it is the main form but if I try and use it in a subform it throws an error.

 

Does anyone know the correct line of code to use in a subform.  I am trying to have the subform cycle though its controls.

Thanks!

Dale Kalsow



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 22 11:38:34 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:38:34 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FB8@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Philosphically, you may be right.  Unfortunately, my eyes aren't
philosophical about it.  Black, and all dark colors for that matter,
have visual "weight" that overpowers white.  So on a black page with
white print, the background overpowers the text.  At least, that's the
way *my* vision works.
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
	Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:20 AM
	To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
	
	
	That's what I thought (though I think you have your last
sentence reversed...books are black on white...).  White on Black is
letting your eye's see what's there, not what's NOT there.  (Since Black
is the absence of all color, and white is the presence of all.)
	 
	Drew

		-----Original Message-----
		From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
		Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:46 AM
		To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
		Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
		
		
		Psych studies have actually shown that the human eye
differentiates light on dark more easily than dark on light and a dark
background (making up, as it does, most of the screen) should cause less
strain to the eyes, being less bright.
		 
		However, I think that we find reading white-on-black
easiest because we've all been habituated to it from reading books.
		 
		Roz

			-----Original Message-----
			From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
			Sent: 22 May 2003 14:09
			To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
			Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
			
			
			Drew,
			I don't care for white on black. Your site isn't
too bad because there isn't much to read (and I like the wolf logo) but
more than a paragraph or so and the eye strain gets pretty heavy.
			 
			To be positive though, it is better than red on
black, which I have seen on at least one web site! Yeeoucch! Talk about
eye strain!
			 
			JB

				-----Original Message-----
				From:
accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
				Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:38 PM
				To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
				Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface
Examples
				
				
				Oh, okay.  Personally I like to stick to
black and white, as often as possible.  Literally.  I use black
backgrounds with white text.  I just think it sticks out better then
black on white.  However, something to keep in mind, color is nice,
however, a large portion of the population is color blind to a certain
extent.  Always be sure that places where color is used, and
differentiating things of different color is important, to use colors
that 'clash' spectrally, so even if someone is seeing it as shades of
grey (a severe color blind person), they would still see the difference.
				 
				That's my only tip......
				 
				Drew

				-----Original Message-----
				From: Roz Clarke
[mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
				Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 4:07 AM
				To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
				Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface
Examples
				
				
				We're about to start designing the
interface for a data mining application. My team hasn't had any formal
training on interface design, and I didn't want them to get all their
ideas from me - better if they have a range of examples! So we're having
a couple of workshops where we discuss design principles before we start
doing the spec. This application will take a few weeks to write and, if
we get it right, be in use for 2-3 years so it's worth putting some
thought into.
				 
				Roz

				-----Original Message-----
				From: Drew Wutka
[mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
				Sent: 20 May 2003 20:10
				To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
				Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface
Examples
				
				
				What kind of 'interface' are you looking
for?
				 
				Drew

				-----Original Message-----
				From: Roz Clarke
[mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
				Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:53 AM
				To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
				Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface
Examples
				
				

				Hi all 

				Does anybody remember a looong time ago
we had a discussion about interface design, and someone was hosting a
gallery of different interfaces that had been done with Access?

				Does anybody know if it's still there,
where it was, and whether there are any other good resources out there? 

				TIA 

				Roz 

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From RGeldart at detma.org  Thu May 22 11:52:53 2003
From: RGeldart at detma.org (Geldart, Robert)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 12:52:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <D1131E68647DD211823100A0C9D1DE7203B73BAC@DET-EXCH-02>

JC,

I believe I know that site also. The other problem I have with it is the use
of a smaller "typewriter-style" font (courier, but not perfectly formed).

But his technical reviews are outstanding. (I was looking for a scanner, and
took his recommendation.)

Bob Geldart


> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:41 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
> 
> I must say I hate it myself.  I have been researching cameras 
> lately and there is a specific site, VERY good info, but white
> on black. What a strain it is reading that site.  8-(  
> I must say I went there and read their info, every time, but
> every time came away cursing the eyestrain.

From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu May 22 11:54:32 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:54:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C88@main2.marlow.com>

What if the text were bold?  I try to stay away from thin fonts too.....
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 11:39 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Philosphically, you may be right.  Unfortunately, my eyes aren't
philosophical about it.  Black, and all dark colors for that matter, have
visual "weight" that overpowers white.  So on a black page with white print,
the background overpowers the text.  At least, that's the way *my* vision
works.
 
Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:20 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


That's what I thought (though I think you have your last sentence
reversed...books are black on white...).  White on Black is letting your
eye's see what's there, not what's NOT there.  (Since Black is the absence
of all color, and white is the presence of all.)
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:46 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Psych studies have actually shown that the human eye differentiates light on
dark more easily than dark on light and a dark background (making up, as it
does, most of the screen) should cause less strain to the eyes, being less
bright.
 
However, I think that we find reading white-on-black easiest because we've
all been habituated to it from reading books.
 
Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: 22 May 2003 14:09
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Drew,
I don't care for white on black. Your site isn't too bad because there isn't
much to read (and I like the wolf logo) but more than a paragraph or so and
the eye strain gets pretty heavy.
 
To be positive though, it is better than red on black, which I have seen on
at least one web site! Yeeoucch! Talk about eye strain!
 
JB

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:38 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Oh, okay.  Personally I like to stick to black and white, as often as
possible.  Literally.  I use black backgrounds with white text.  I just
think it sticks out better then black on white.  However, something to keep
in mind, color is nice, however, a large portion of the population is color
blind to a certain extent.  Always be sure that places where color is used,
and differentiating things of different color is important, to use colors
that 'clash' spectrally, so even if someone is seeing it as shades of grey
(a severe color blind person), they would still see the difference.
 
That's my only tip......
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 4:07 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


We're about to start designing the interface for a data mining application.
My team hasn't had any formal training on interface design, and I didn't
want them to get all their ideas from me - better if they have a range of
examples! So we're having a couple of workshops where we discuss design
principles before we start doing the spec. This application will take a few
weeks to write and, if we get it right, be in use for 2-3 years so it's
worth putting some thought into.
 
Roz

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: 20 May 2003 20:10
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


What kind of 'interface' are you looking for?
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:53 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples



Hi all 

Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a discussion about interface
design, and someone was hosting a gallery of different interfaces that had
been done with Access?

Does anybody know if it's still there, where it was, and whether there are
any other good resources out there? 

TIA 

Roz 

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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Thu May 22 11:55:15 2003
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 12:55:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Cycling through subform controls
Message-ID: <8B98F8EA48F8BA47A2F24E0D0AF40CF403897821@xlivmbx12.aig.com>

If you are executing this code *in the form* who's controls you want to
iterate, then you do not need to use the Forms collection at all. Just
use...

	For Each ctlC in Me
		...
	Next ctlC

This kind of loop will run fine in a form or in a subform: as long as the
code is actually in the form in question, as 'Me' refers to the current
form.

To loop though a sub form's controls from code in the parent form you would
use...

	For Each cltC in Me.NameOfSubFormCONTROL.Form
		...
	Next cltC

Lambert


> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Dale Kalsow [SMTP:dkalsow at yahoo.com]
> Sent:	Thursday, May 22, 2003 12:35 PM
> To:	accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject:	[AccessD] Cycling through subform controls
> 
> 	I have the following line of code:
> 
> 	For Each ctlC In Forms(Me.Name)
> 
> 	 
> 
> 	It works great if it is the main form but if I try and use it in a
> subform it throws an error.
> 
> 	 
> 
> 	Does anyone know the correct line of code to use in a subform.  I am
> trying to have the subform cycle though its controls.
> 
> 	Thanks!
> 
> 	Dale Kalsow
> 

From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Thu May 22 11:55:57 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:55:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F8782E@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Drew and Roz,

In the additive color scheme, such as transmitted light, black is the
absence of all colors and white is the sum of all colors.  In the
subtractive color scheme, such as in inks and other reflective light
schemes, black is the sum of all colors and white is the absence of all
colors.  So you need to specify which color scheme you are using when
you make blanket statements about black and white. <grin>


Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: Thursday 2003 May 22 11:39
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples

Philosphically, you may be right.  Unfortunately, my eyes aren't
philosophical about it.  Black, and all dark colors for that matter,
have visual "weight" that overpowers white.  So on a black page with
white print, the background overpowers the text.  At least, that's the
way *my* vision works.

Charlotte Foust
-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:20 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


That's what I thought (though I think you have your last sentence
reversed...books are black on white...).  White on Black is letting your
eye's see what's there, not what's NOT there.  (Since Black is the
absence of all color, and white is the presence of all.)

Drew
-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:46 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Psych studies have actually shown that the human eye differentiates
light on dark more easily than dark on light and a dark background
(making up, as it does, most of the screen) should cause less strain to
the eyes, being less bright.

However, I think that we find reading white-on-black easiest because
we've all been habituated to it from reading books.

Roz
Roz 

From delliker at hotmail.com  Thu May 22 11:58:28 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 12:58:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <Law12-F96BFsaC6378s0000a9e0@hotmail.com>

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From askolits at ot.com  Thu May 22 12:00:12 2003
From: askolits at ot.com (John Skolits)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:00:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Special Request
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJCEIPEGAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <JPEDIFGLAFBICOJHMDKFAEJKCLAA.askolits@ot.com>


I don't want any lectures but I sent my Office 97 'Developer' to a
customer's remote site to install replication manager and it 'got broke' in
shipping. I need to borrow someone's for a few days. I'll pay for the
shipping (Fed-x). You'll have it back within a week.

Please email me off-line.

John Skolits
askolits at ot.com


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 22 12:02:24 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 10:02:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Cycling through subform controls
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FBC@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Subforms are not members of the collection of open forms, so you can't
use the Forms(formname) syntax to reference them.  Actually, you don't
need it in a form either.  In both cases, you can just use this:

For Each ctlC in Me.Controls

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Dale Kalsow [mailto:dkalsow at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:35 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Cycling through subform controls


I have the following line of code:
For Each ctlC In Forms(Me.Name)

It works great if it is the main form but if I try and use it in a
subform it throws an error.

Does anyone know the correct line of code to use in a subform.  I am
trying to have the subform cycle though its controls.
Thanks!
Dale Kalsow


Do you Yahoo!?
The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.

From john at winhaven.net  Thu May 22 12:11:46 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 12:11:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
In-Reply-To: <D1131E68647DD211823100A0C9D1DE7203B73BAC@DET-EXCH-02>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIIEKFEHAA.john@winhaven.net>

Give us a link so we can all torture our eyes!
;-)

Also, maybe, sometimes... if a few people tell a webmaster to change the
color/fonts on their site (because it makes them scream bloody horror from
the pain) some people actually will change them.

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Geldart,
> Robert
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 11:53 AM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
>
>
> JC,
>
> I believe I know that site also. The other problem I have with it
> is the use
> of a smaller "typewriter-style" font (courier, but not perfectly formed).
>
> But his technical reviews are outstanding. (I was looking for a
> scanner, and
> took his recommendation.)
>
> Bob Geldart
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:41 AM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
> >
> > I must say I hate it myself.  I have been researching cameras
> > lately and there is a specific site, VERY good info, but white
> > on black. What a strain it is reading that site.  8-(
> > I must say I went there and read their info, every time, but
> > every time came away cursing the eyestrain.
> _______________________________________________
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>



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 22 12:13:52 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 10:13:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FBD@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Doesn't really matter much to my eyes.  Yes, the bold would be more
legible, but it would still be tiring to read.  To me, white on black
looks like the letters have been dropped into tar and are sinking fast!
The mass of the black just swallows up the white text.  I always had a
problem with the contention that amber screens were more restful to the
eyes that green as well.  To my eyes, the amber always looked "hot",
while the green was cooler and more comfortable to stare at for hours on
end.  Different strokes.
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
	Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:55 AM
	To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
	
	
	What if the text were bold?  I try to stay away from thin fonts
too.....
	 
	Drew

		-----Original Message-----
		From: Charlotte Foust
[mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
		Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 11:39 AM
		To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
		Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
		
		
		Philosphically, you may be right.  Unfortunately, my
eyes aren't philosophical about it.  Black, and all dark colors for that
matter, have visual "weight" that overpowers white.  So on a black page
with white print, the background overpowers the text.  At least, that's
the way *my* vision works.
		 
		Charlotte Foust

			-----Original Message-----
			From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
			Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:20 AM
			To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
			Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
			
			
			That's what I thought (though I think you have
your last sentence reversed...books are black on white...).  White on
Black is letting your eye's see what's there, not what's NOT there.
(Since Black is the absence of all color, and white is the presence of
all.)
			 
			Drew

				-----Original Message-----
				From: Roz Clarke
[mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
				Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:46 AM
				To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
				Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface
Examples
				
				
				Psych studies have actually shown that
the human eye differentiates light on dark more easily than dark on
light and a dark background (making up, as it does, most of the screen)
should cause less strain to the eyes, being less bright.
				 
				However, I think that we find reading
white-on-black easiest because we've all been habituated to it from
reading books.
				 
				Roz

				-----Original Message-----
				From: John Bartow
[mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
				Sent: 22 May 2003 14:09
				To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
				Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface
Examples
				
				
				Drew,
				I don't care for white on black. Your
site isn't too bad because there isn't much to read (and I like the wolf
logo) but more than a paragraph or so and the eye strain gets pretty
heavy.
				 
				To be positive though, it is better than
red on black, which I have seen on at least one web site! Yeeoucch! Talk
about eye strain!
				 
				JB

				-----Original Message-----
				From:
accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
				Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:38 PM
				To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
				Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface
Examples
				
				
				Oh, okay.  Personally I like to stick to
black and white, as often as possible.  Literally.  I use black
backgrounds with white text.  I just think it sticks out better then
black on white.  However, something to keep in mind, color is nice,
however, a large portion of the population is color blind to a certain
extent.  Always be sure that places where color is used, and
differentiating things of different color is important, to use colors
that 'clash' spectrally, so even if someone is seeing it as shades of
grey (a severe color blind person), they would still see the difference.
				 
				That's my only tip......
				 
				Drew

				-----Original Message-----
				From: Roz Clarke
[mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
				Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 4:07 AM
				To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
				Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface
Examples
				
				
				We're about to start designing the
interface for a data mining application. My team hasn't had any formal
training on interface design, and I didn't want them to get all their
ideas from me - better if they have a range of examples! So we're having
a couple of workshops where we discuss design principles before we start
doing the spec. This application will take a few weeks to write and, if
we get it right, be in use for 2-3 years so it's worth putting some
thought into.
				 
				Roz

				-----Original Message-----
				From: Drew Wutka
[mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
				Sent: 20 May 2003 20:10
				To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
				Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface
Examples
				
				
				What kind of 'interface' are you looking
for?
				 
				Drew

				-----Original Message-----
				From: Roz Clarke
[mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
				Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:53 AM
				To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
				Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface
Examples
				
				

				Hi all 

				Does anybody remember a looong time ago
we had a discussion about interface design, and someone was hosting a
gallery of different interfaces that had been done with Access?

				Does anybody know if it's still there,
where it was, and whether there are any other good resources out there? 

				TIA 

				Roz 

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 22 12:15:03 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 10:15:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FBE@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Aaarrrggghhh!!! And it isn't even Friday yet!
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
	Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:58 AM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
	
	

	Nooohhhhh....White is the absence of all color and black is the
presence of all color. It's also very strange that things are the color
they are because that is the color they are not....they reflect the
color they do not possess.... 
	
	




	"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for
them." 
	
	>From: Drew Wutka 
	>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
	>To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" 
	>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples 
	>Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:20:22 -0500 
	> 
	>That's what I thought (though I think you have your last
sentence 
	>reversed...books are black on white...). White on Black is
letting your 
	>eye's see what's there, not what's NOT there. (Since Black is
the absence 
	>of all color, and white is the presence of all.) 
	> 
	>Drew 
	> 
	>-----Original Message----- 
	>From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
	>Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:46 AM 
	>To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
	>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples 
	> 
	> 
	>Psych studies have actually shown that the human eye
differentiates light on 
	>dark more easily than dark on light and a dark background
(making up, as it 
	>does, most of the screen) should cause less strain to the eyes,
being less 
	>bright. 
	> 
	>However, I think that we find reading white-on-black easiest
because we've 
	>all been habituated to it from reading books. 
	> 
	>Roz 
	> 
	>-----Original Message----- 
	>From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
	>Sent: 22 May 2003 14:09 
	>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
	>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples 
	> 
	> 
	>Drew, 
	>I don't care for white on black. Your site isn't too bad
because there isn't 
	>much to read (and I like the wolf logo) but more than a
paragraph or so and 
	>the eye strain gets pretty heavy. 
	> 
	>To be positive though, it is better than red on black, which I
have seen on 
	>at least one web site! Yeeoucch! Talk about eye strain! 
	> 
	>JB 
	> 
	>-----Original Message----- 
	>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
	>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew
Wutka 
	>Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:38 PM 
	>To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
	>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples 
	> 
	> 
	>Oh, okay. Personally I like to stick to black and white, as
often as 
	>possible. Literally. I use black backgrounds with white text. I
just 
	>think it sticks out better then black on white. However,
something to keep 
	>in mind, color is nice, however, a large portion of the
population is color 
	>blind to a certain extent. Always be sure that places where
color is used, 
	>and differentiating things of different color is important, to
use colors 
	>that 'clash' spectrally, so even if someone is seeing it as
shades of grey 
	>(a severe color blind person), they would still see the
difference. 
	> 
	>That's my only tip...... 
	> 
	>Drew 
	> 
	>-----Original Message----- 
	>From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
	>Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 4:07 AM 
	>To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
	>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples 
	> 
	> 
	>We're about to start designing the interface for a data mining
application. 
	>My team hasn't had any formal training on interface design, and
I didn't 
	>want them to get all their ideas from me - better if they have
a range of 
	>examples! So we're having a couple of workshops where we
discuss design 
	>principles before we start doing the spec. This application
will take a few 
	>weeks to write and, if we get it right, be in use for 2-3 years
so it's 
	>worth putting some thought into. 
	> 
	>Roz 
	> 
	>-----Original Message----- 
	>From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
	>Sent: 20 May 2003 20:10 
	>To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
	>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples 
	> 
	> 
	>What kind of 'interface' are you looking for? 
	> 
	>Drew 
	> 
	>-----Original Message----- 
	>From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
	>Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:53 AM 
	>To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
	>Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples 
	> 
	> 
	> 
	>Hi all 
	> 
	>Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a discussion
about interface 
	>design, and someone was hosting a gallery of different
interfaces that had 
	>been done with Access? 
	> 
	>Does anybody know if it's still there, where it was, and
whether there are 
	>any other good resources out there? 
	> 
	>TIA 
	> 
	>Roz 
	> 
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From ad_tp at hotmail.com  Thu May 22 12:12:23 2003
From: ad_tp at hotmail.com (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 22:42:23 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
References: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956A0E@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>
Message-ID: <Law9-OE32uNjVuMhvqg00017837@hotmail.com>

    My earlier testing of John's code (ref my previous message dated 20-May-2003) was based upon setting  .FileType as msoFileTypeAllFiles (commenting out the line related to .FileName).

    On further testing of this code, certain relevant findings are given below -

    (a) If the line [ .FileName = "*.mda; *.mdb; *.mde; *.ldb" ] is  enabled (instead of the one related to .FileType) the result of search count is zero.
        Reason - No match is possible for above type of string.
        Solution - Use homogeneous string without delimiters.e.g.
                         .FileName = "*.mdb"

    (b) Starting letter of folder name does not matter.

    (c) If any of the file names has special characters(quite often the case with web documents), there is an error message reg syntax error, the loop is exited and no further information gets inserted in the table. Sometimes this problem occurs for date fields as well. Moreover, the cursor remains stuck indefinitely in the hourglass mode.
        Reason - SQL string does not get concatenated properly.
        Solution - Avoid use of SQL string as the likelihood of unforeseen syntax complications can never be completely ruled out. In lieu rst.Add method could be considered. 
    Note - As an experiment, the code was run after modifying the SQL so as to insert "A" for FilePath and "B" for FileName fields only, ignoring the date fields. There was no problem. Approx 7,000 files were found in all (main folder plus subfolders).The numbers shown in the message box tallied with the records appended to the table.

    John may like to modify the code suitably, addressing the points brought out above and distribute the revised version. While doing so, he may consider incorporating folder browsing feature so that there is no need for editing code module (for starting folder path).

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Roz Clarke 
  To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
  Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 14:32
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


  This may be the case, but wouldn't explain why Charlotte got 0 files
  returned in her search...

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Ron Allen [mailto:chizotz at charter.net] 
  Sent: 21 May 2003 17:47
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Grab Filenames


  Is there a limit to the number of directories and 
  subdirectories that can be searched/found this way? There 
  used to be some absolute limits to the number of 
  directories in the root and other stuff... I'm wondering 
  if there is a limit, artificial or not, being hit here. 
  Does it by chance find "exactly" 128, or 256, or 512, etc. 
  folders/files before choking?


  >-----Original Message-----
  >From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
  >Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 11:50 AM
  >To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
  >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
  >
  >
  >Interesting fact just spotted... All of the directories
  >it doesn't look in
  >are those which come after M in the alphabet and are 
  >coming from the root
  >folder, and their sub-directories.
  >
  >It's as if it gets so far and just stops. Any way to
  >troubleshoot what it's
  >doing? Why it's breaking?

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From davide at dalyn.co.nz  Thu May 22 12:36:57 2003
From: davide at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 05:36:57 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Installation works on XP, not on 2K - References?
In-Reply-To: <3ECC5FE8.10861.10B0AA@localhost>
References: <1203003338.20030522090507@cactus.dk>
 <5.2.0.9.0.20030522134550.00b47ed0@mail.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030523053434.00b1c590@mail.dalyn.co.nz>

No, You can't change the references in an ADE (not directly anyway) because 
you can't get to the code.  But I can in the ADP and then recreate the ADE.

I have also contacted Sagekey to see if they can help with the installation 
script so that the correct files are included to save having to do all 
this.  They are very helpful in this regard.

David

At 22/05/2003, you wrote:
>On 22 May 2003 at 9:05, Gustav Brock wrote:
>
> > Hi David
> >
> > > Thanks - What about installing Excel 10.  Would that solve the
> > > problem?
> >
> > Probably - you could also choose to refresh that reference by removing
> > it and adding it back; that will reference the current version.
>
>Will that work in an ADE? Which is like an MDE IIRC. ANd I didn't
>think that you could do that with an MDE.
>
>--
>Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
>Learn from the mistakes of others. You can't live long enough to make
>them all yourself.
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 22 12:39:14 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 10:39:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FC1@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I didn't get a FoundFiles count with or without filetype, and I was
using "*.*" for .FileName.
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: A.D.Tejpal [mailto:ad_tp at hotmail.com] 
	Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 9:12 AM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: Re: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
	
	
	    My earlier testing of John's code (ref my previous message
dated 20-May-2003) was based upon setting  .FileType as
msoFileTypeAllFiles (commenting out the line related to .FileName).
	 
	    On further testing of this code, certain relevant findings
are given below -
	 
	    (a) If the line [ .FileName = "*.mda; *.mdb; *.mde; *.ldb" ]
is  enabled (instead of the one related to .FileType) the result of
search count is zero.
	        Reason - No match is possible for above type of string.
	        Solution - Use homogeneous string without
delimiters.e.g.
	                        .FileName = "*.mdb"
	 
	    (b) Starting letter of folder name does not matter.
	 
	    (c) If any of the file names has special characters(quite
often the case with web documents), there is an error message reg syntax
error, the loop is exited and no further information gets inserted in
the table. Sometimes this problem occurs for date fields as well.
Moreover, the cursor remains stuck indefinitely in the hourglass mode.
	        Reason - SQL string does not get concatenated properly.
	        Solution - Avoid use of SQL string as the likelihood of
unforeseen syntax complications can never be completely ruled out. In
lieu rst.Add method could be considered. 
	    Note - As an experiment, the code was run after modifying
the SQL so as to insert "A" for FilePath and "B" for FileName fields
only, ignoring the date fields. There was no problem. Approx 7,000 files
were found in all (main folder plus subfolders).The numbers shown in the
message box tallied with the records appended to the table.
	 
	    John may like to modify the code suitably, addressing the
points brought out above and distribute the revised version. While doing
so, he may consider incorporating folder browsing feature so that there
is no need for editing code module (for starting folder path).
	 
	Regards,
	A.D.Tejpal
	--------------

		----- Original Message ----- 
		From: Roz Clarke <mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk>  
		To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
		Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 14:32
		Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames

		This may be the case, but wouldn't explain why Charlotte
got 0 files
		returned in her search...
		
		-----Original Message-----
		From: Ron Allen [mailto:chizotz at charter.net] 
		Sent: 21 May 2003 17:47
		To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
		Subject: Re: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
		
		
		Is there a limit to the number of directories and 
		subdirectories that can be searched/found this way?
There 
		used to be some absolute limits to the number of 
		directories in the root and other stuff... I'm wondering

		if there is a limit, artificial or not, being hit here. 
		Does it by chance find "exactly" 128, or 256, or 512,
etc. 
		folders/files before choking?
		
		
		>-----Original Message-----
		>From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
		>Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 11:50 AM
		>To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
		>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
		>
		>
		>Interesting fact just spotted... All of the directories
		>it doesn't look in
		>are those which come after M in the alphabet and are 
		>coming from the root
		>folder, and their sub-directories.
		>
		>It's as if it gets so far and just stops. Any way to
		>troubleshoot what it's
		>doing? Why it's breaking?
		

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu May 22 13:28:28 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:28:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C89@main2.marlow.com>

Hmmm, good point, but not for a screen.  The screen projects all color for
white, it's not reflecting it.  
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 11:58 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples



Nooohhhhh....White is the absence of all color and black is the presence of
all color. It's also very strange that things are the color they are because
that is the color they are not....they reflect the color they do not
possess.... 






"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." 

>From: Drew Wutka 
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" 
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples 
>Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:20:22 -0500 
> 
>That's what I thought (though I think you have your last sentence 
>reversed...books are black on white...). White on Black is letting your 
>eye's see what's there, not what's NOT there. (Since Black is the absence 
>of all color, and white is the presence of all.) 
> 
>Drew 
> 
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
>Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:46 AM 
>To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples 
> 
> 
>Psych studies have actually shown that the human eye differentiates light
on 
>dark more easily than dark on light and a dark background (making up, as it

>does, most of the screen) should cause less strain to the eyes, being less 
>bright. 
> 
>However, I think that we find reading white-on-black easiest because we've 
>all been habituated to it from reading books. 
> 
>Roz 
> 
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
>Sent: 22 May 2003 14:09 
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples 
> 
> 
>Drew, 
>I don't care for white on black. Your site isn't too bad because there
isn't 
>much to read (and I like the wolf logo) but more than a paragraph or so and

>the eye strain gets pretty heavy. 
> 
>To be positive though, it is better than red on black, which I have seen on

>at least one web site! Yeeoucch! Talk about eye strain! 
> 
>JB 
> 
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka 
>Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:38 PM 
>To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples 
> 
> 
>Oh, okay. Personally I like to stick to black and white, as often as 
>possible. Literally. I use black backgrounds with white text. I just 
>think it sticks out better then black on white. However, something to keep 
>in mind, color is nice, however, a large portion of the population is color

>blind to a certain extent. Always be sure that places where color is used, 
>and differentiating things of different color is important, to use colors 
>that 'clash' spectrally, so even if someone is seeing it as shades of grey 
>(a severe color blind person), they would still see the difference. 
> 
>That's my only tip...... 
> 
>Drew 
> 
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
>Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 4:07 AM 
>To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples 
> 
> 
>We're about to start designing the interface for a data mining application.

>My team hasn't had any formal training on interface design, and I didn't 
>want them to get all their ideas from me - better if they have a range of 
>examples! So we're having a couple of workshops where we discuss design 
>principles before we start doing the spec. This application will take a few

>weeks to write and, if we get it right, be in use for 2-3 years so it's 
>worth putting some thought into. 
> 
>Roz 
> 
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
>Sent: 20 May 2003 20:10 
>To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples 
> 
> 
>What kind of 'interface' are you looking for? 
> 
>Drew 
> 
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
>Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:53 AM 
>To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
>Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples 
> 
> 
> 
>Hi all 
> 
>Does anybody remember a looong time ago we had a discussion about interface

>design, and someone was hosting a gallery of different interfaces that had 
>been done with Access? 
> 
>Does anybody know if it's still there, where it was, and whether there are 
>any other good resources out there? 
> 
>TIA 
> 
>Roz 
> 
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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu May 22 13:29:44 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:29:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C8A@main2.marlow.com>

True, but just out of curiousity, does MS Access use a transmitted light
scheme, or a reflective light scheme?  <grin>

Unless of course you are talking about printed reports, but then that is not
an interface.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 11:56 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Drew and Roz,

In the additive color scheme, such as transmitted light, black is the
absence of all colors and white is the sum of all colors.  In the
subtractive color scheme, such as in inks and other reflective light
schemes, black is the sum of all colors and white is the absence of all
colors.  So you need to specify which color scheme you are using when
you make blanket statements about black and white. <grin>


Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
Sent: Thursday 2003 May 22 11:39
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples

Philosphically, you may be right.  Unfortunately, my eyes aren't
philosophical about it.  Black, and all dark colors for that matter,
have visual "weight" that overpowers white.  So on a black page with
white print, the background overpowers the text.  At least, that's the
way *my* vision works.

Charlotte Foust
-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:20 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


That's what I thought (though I think you have your last sentence
reversed...books are black on white...).  White on Black is letting your
eye's see what's there, not what's NOT there.  (Since Black is the
absence of all color, and white is the presence of all.)

Drew
-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:46 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Psych studies have actually shown that the human eye differentiates
light on dark more easily than dark on light and a dark background
(making up, as it does, most of the screen) should cause less strain to
the eyes, being less bright.

However, I think that we find reading white-on-black easiest because
we've all been habituated to it from reading books.

Roz
Roz 
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From delliker at hotmail.com  Thu May 22 13:29:51 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:29:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples -ok so it's OT
Message-ID: <Law12-F51HNa9CKjLUI0000b1a2@hotmail.com>

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From artful at rogers.com  Thu May 22 13:42:14 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:42:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ADO version checker
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FB6@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <03db01c32091$dca20be0$8e01a8c0@Rock>

Interesting. I will walk this path and see what turnips.

A.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: May 22, 2003 11:39 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ADO version checker


Actually, I have.  It turned out to be a reference to an MDE code library
that didn't show up as broken on the target machines because Windows
reconciled it.  However, it wasn't in the same location as on the
development machine and so it didn't really work and caused various odd
dislocations like that.  We finally decided to force a standard location on
the file to avoid the problem in the future.



From john at winhaven.net  Thu May 22 13:54:50 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:54:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A97 on WinXP
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FB0@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIGEKHEHAA.john@winhaven.net>

Yes.

Do you think it might be that I'm using DAO 3.51 (not 3.6)?

JB



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 9:44 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A97 on WinXP
> 
> 
> We do it all the time, since most of our development and testing
> platforms are WinXP and our current released version of all our products
> is in A97 (I'm still working on the AXP migration).  Are you having
> problems?
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 4:51 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] A97 on WinXP
> 
> 
> Has anyone had any issues show up when installing/running A97 runtime
> app on WinXP?
> 
> John B.
> "In trouble-shooting mode"
> 
> 
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> 


From mitsules_ms at nns.com  Thu May 22 14:14:30 2003
From: mitsules_ms at nns.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:14:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29407@nnse14.nns.com>

My company blocks the tinyurl domain.
Can someone post the actual url?
That's not to say that they haven't blocked the real domain as well:(
 
Mark
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:28 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Hey, 
You can read several chapters from the book here:
http://tinyurl.com/8hc8 <http://tinyurl.com/8hc8> 
 
Not sure if these are the full chapters or not.
 
Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Bond
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:17 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Second that Charlotte.  Published by Apress.  ISBN 1-893115-94-1 (pbk.)
 
Stephen Bond

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 21 May 2003 2:57 a.m.
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


There's also a great book out call User Interface Design for Programmers, by
Joel Spolsky, that discusses Windows interface design in general, complete
with examples of what to avoid.
 
Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 


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From nkling at co.montgomery.ny.us  Thu May 22 14:19:27 2003
From: nkling at co.montgomery.ny.us (Neal Kling)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:19:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <0EAA9F4906BA554FA26E6F9F2C5403022BD5F3@elmo.co.montgomery.ny.us>

http://www.joelonsoftware.com/navLinks/fog0000000247.html
<http://www.joelonsoftware.com/navLinks/fog0000000247.html> 
 
Neal Kling
Lotus, isn't that some kind of fancy flower?

-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:mitsules_ms at nns.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 3:15 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


My company blocks the tinyurl domain.
Can someone post the actual url?
That's not to say that they haven't blocked the real domain as well:(
 
Mark
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:28 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Hey, 
You can read several chapters from the book here:
http://tinyurl.com/8hc8 <http://tinyurl.com/8hc8> 
 
Not sure if these are the full chapters or not.
 
Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Bond
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:17 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Second that Charlotte.  Published by Apress.  ISBN 1-893115-94-1 (pbk.)
 
Stephen Bond

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 21 May 2003 2:57 a.m.
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


There's also a great book out call User Interface Design for
Programmers, by Joel Spolsky, that discusses Windows interface design in
general, complete with examples of what to avoid.
 
Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 



From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Thu May 22 14:20:30 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:20:30 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Excel Range Question
In-Reply-To: <0EAA9F4906BA554FA26E6F9F2C5403022BD5F3@elmo.co.montgomery.ny.us>
References: <0EAA9F4906BA554FA26E6F9F2C5403022BD5F3@elmo.co.montgomery.ny.us>
Message-ID: <64768.199.67.140.20.1053631230.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>

hey group, Is there a shorter way to calcute sum of cells as opposed to
what I've done below ? like C = Sum("C12:C15").value ?


C = Range("C13").Value + Range("C14").Value + Range("C15").Value



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From mitsules_ms at nns.com  Thu May 22 14:28:15 2003
From: mitsules_ms at nns.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:28:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29408@nnse14.nns.com>

Thank you Neal.  And, thankfully, our IT folks haven't found this domain and
blocked it yet;)

Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Neal Kling [mailto:nkling at co.montgomery.ny.us] 
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 3:19 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


http://www.joelonsoftware.com/navLinks/fog0000000247.html
<http://www.joelonsoftware.com/navLinks/fog0000000247.html> 
 
Neal Kling
Lotus, isn't that some kind of fancy flower?

-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:mitsules_ms at nns.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 3:15 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


My company blocks the tinyurl domain.
Can someone post the actual url?
That's not to say that they haven't blocked the real domain as well:(
 
Mark
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Bobby Heid [mailto:bheid at appdevgrp.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:28 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Hey, 
You can read several chapters from the book here: http://tinyurl.com/8hc8
<http://tinyurl.com/8hc8> 
 
Not sure if these are the full chapters or not.
 
Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Bond
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:17 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Second that Charlotte.  Published by Apress.  ISBN 1-893115-94-1 (pbk.)
 
Stephen Bond

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 21 May 2003 2:57 a.m.
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


There's also a great book out call User Interface Design for Programmers, by
Joel Spolsky, that discusses Windows interface design in general, complete
with examples of what to avoid.
 
Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 22 16:02:20 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:02:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A97 on WinXP
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FC4@infoserver01.infostat.local>

DAO 3.51 is the proper version for A97. What kind of problems are you
having.  "Yes" isn't very descriptive. <g>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 10:55 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A97 on WinXP


Yes.

Do you think it might be that I'm using DAO 3.51 (not 3.6)?

JB



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> Foust
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 9:44 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A97 on WinXP
> 
> 
> We do it all the time, since most of our development and testing 
> platforms are WinXP and our current released version of all our 
> products is in A97 (I'm still working on the AXP migration).  Are you 
> having problems?
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 4:51 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] A97 on WinXP
> 
> 
> Has anyone had any issues show up when installing/running A97 runtime 
> app on WinXP?
> 
> John B.
> "In trouble-shooting mode"
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> 
> 

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From SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au  Thu May 22 19:23:19 2003
From: SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au (Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 10:23:19 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Using blat
References: <3ECC63C0.8588.1FB483@localhost>
Message-ID: <017201c320c1$83459be0$54dd31d2@OfficePC>

Thanks Bryan - I did try to use that first but couldn;t get it to work. I'll look again.

Kath
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bryan Carbonnell 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 7:44 PM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using blat


  On 21 May 2003 at 22:05, Francisco Tapia wrote:

  > I have something I can send to you... but blat is not a DLL but a self
  > contained SMTP application.  You do NOT need to install it in order to
  > get it to work, it just makes life easier :)
  > 
  > I will wrap up a sample tomorrow.. right now it's still wrapped up in
  > our application :)

  There is a sample like this on DBA's website in the downloads 
  section.

  MailDB.zip - This is a demo of simple outgoing email without using 
  MAPI. The code connects directly to the smtp server using sockets. 
  The code can be used to send to multiple recipients with multiple 
  attachments and can be used for bulk mailing. A simple form is 
  included to demonstrate the code usage. - David Phelan

  Whch can be found at: http://www.databaseadvisors.com/downloads.htm

  --
  Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca
  Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never 
  cease to be amused.


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From david.powell at bbm.wapl.com.au  Thu May 22 22:34:36 2003
From: david.powell at bbm.wapl.com.au (Powell, David (BBM))
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 11:34:36 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
Message-ID: <1C66E1A38F4E22499CE329884E3FA8B10207F192@WAPLMAIL.wapl.com.au>

If you can get the tidbits there, what's the point of using ferrets in
the first place :)


Regards

David


-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: Wednesday, 21 May 2003 9:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


A juicy tidbit at the spot where you want the ferret to go will work.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Elam, Debbie [mailto:DElam at jenkens.com] 
Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 21 08:17
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines

Yes but how would you get them to stop playing with the cable, much less
get them out the correct spot if at all.  I have heard ferrets were used
to string cable in tight places, but I am still trying to figure out how
they were trained.  Ferrets are smart, but do not take direction well,
and consider anything and everything a toy.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Lytle [mailto:nancy.lytle at auatac.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:27 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


On a lighter note, for those really tight places for stringing cables -
walls and low ceilings-, why not use a ferret, they can get into the
most unusual places, they work on the cheap, on the other hand they can
be tempermental.

N Lytle :))

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:57 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


True enough - we only had to get across 2x4 stringers, luckily the
rafters/upper floor bearers (2x10) ran the other way.  The car
negotiated the 2x4s without a problem.

I would NEVER suggest running data through power conduit.  Guess we were
lucky again in that the house is full brick and there is a "fair" 10mm
gap between the skins, the only obstacle to vertical drops being the
brickies ties.  Brick veneer and etc with studded walls is always a
problem for any vertical cabling - I usually have opted for "dress"
conduit except in the rare cases where I felt the job was worth
replastering the wall.

Bruce
P.s. I have done it for a living.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Frank Tanner
III
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


That works fine for an office build.  But RC cars
don't work well in raftered house ceilings.  Most
houses here use 2x6s or 2x8s for rafters.  Or at least
most of the ones that I've seen.

If you're running network lines down the same conduit
as electrical wiring you're violating about a dozen
fire and safety codes.  Not to mention every basic
rule of network wiring that there is.

Electrical wiring, ESPECIALLY two-phase and
three-phase wiring emit large amounts of RF.  RF kills
data integrity.  One of the most basic rules of
network wiring is NEVER string your network wires
across power conduits, junction boxes, or lighting
fixtures.  Don't believe me?  Ask anyone that does it
for a living.  You, physically, can do it, but you
shouldn't.  You're asking for trouble.

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From john at winhaven.net  Thu May 22 23:02:19 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 23:02:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A97 on WinXP
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FC4@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJKEKNEGAA.john@winhaven.net>

Sorry for the short response, that was kind of dorky :o)

I didn't want to waste your time (not yet anyway) until I get more details
from the customer with the problem. (I'm not doing this on site so it takes
awhile talking them through things and all). BTW this was a customer who was
quite adament about the fact that they were going to be using Win2k for a
couple of years yet, so I didn't bother testing this on WinXP. They're still
on O97 and might even skip OXP since the MS marketing machine is already
talking the next version of office. OK by me though.

Some of the forms aren't opening - they show errors and then crash. I think
I've narrowed it down to only the forms that use a 3rd party Active X
control on them.

I just had a thought about the DAO version. Do you use 3.51 for everything
yet?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 4:02 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A97 on WinXP
>
>
> DAO 3.51 is the proper version for A97. What kind of problems are you
> having.  "Yes" isn't very descriptive. <g>
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 10:55 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A97 on WinXP
>
>
> Yes.
>
> Do you think it might be that I'm using DAO 3.51 (not 3.6)?
>
> JB
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
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> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
> > Foust
> > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 9:44 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] A97 on WinXP
> >
> >
> > We do it all the time, since most of our development and testing
> > platforms are WinXP and our current released version of all our
> > products is in A97 (I'm still working on the AXP migration).  Are you
> > having problems?
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
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> > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 4:51 AM
> > To: AccessD
> > Subject: [AccessD] A97 on WinXP
> >
> >
> > Has anyone had any issues show up when installing/running A97 runtime
> > app on WinXP?
> >
> > John B.
> > "In trouble-shooting mode"
> >
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From ryan.smethurst at bromley.gov.uk  Fri May 23 04:19:14 2003
From: ryan.smethurst at bromley.gov.uk (Smethurst, Ryan)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 10:19:14 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Excel Range Question
Message-ID: <F4FD32CEB33B314B9187B3A6599B3D6E891DF4@lbbx2ktemp1.corp.int.bromley.gov.uk>

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Oleg,

I think something along these lines will work, obviously change the cell
reference and the range.

With ActiveCell
.Formula = "=sum(a1:a3)"
End With

HTH
RyanS


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hey group, Is there a shorter way to calcute sum of cells as opposed to
what I've done below ? like C = Sum("C12:C15").value ?


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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Fri May 23 07:02:38 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 08:02:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99E55672@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

List,

A while back I got a DSL connection on my home office PC which I occasionally use for web development using Personal Web Server (Win 9x/ME version of IIS).  I was advised by our staff network person NOT to run PWS after the DSL was up because I'd be succeptable to attacks and viruses.  Does anyone know if this is true?  I have not run PWS in a couple of months and have been using a disconnected laptop to write ASP code but I'm wondering if this is necessary.  Would I need to install a firewall if I want to run PWS?

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


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From RGeldart at detma.org  Fri May 23 07:16:07 2003
From: RGeldart at detma.org (Geldart, Robert)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 08:16:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <D1131E68647DD211823100A0C9D1DE7203B73BAF@DET-EXCH-02>

Went looking for it, and it appears he's closed the site and taken off on a
sailing cruise.

Bob Geldart
RGeldart at detma.org
Massachusetts Department of Employment & Training


> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 1:12 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
> 
> Give us a link so we can all torture our eyes!
> ;-)
> 
> JB
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Geldart, Robert
> > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 11:53 AM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
> >
> > JC,
> >
> > I believe I know that site also. The other problem I have with it
> > is the use of a smaller "typewriter-style" font (courier, but not 
> > perfectly formed).
> >
> > But his technical reviews are outstanding. (I was looking for a
> > scanner, and took his recommendation.)
> >
> > Bob Geldart
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:41 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
> > >
> > > I must say I hate it myself.  I have been researching cameras
> > > lately and there is a specific site, VERY good info, but white
> > > on black. What a strain it is reading that site.  8-(
> > > I must say I went there and read their info, every time, but
> > > every time came away cursing the eyestrain.

From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Fri May 23 07:23:15 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 07:23:15 -0500
Subject: Friday OT - RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F35852@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Drew,

Anything with M$ imprint is all black in any scheme! <grin>

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Thursday 2003 May 22 13:30
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples



True, but just out of curiousity, does MS Access use a transmitted light
scheme, or a reflective light scheme?  <grin>

Unless of course you are talking about printed reports, but then that is
not an interface.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 11:56 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Drew and Roz,

In the additive color scheme, such as transmitted light, black is the
absence of all colors and white is the sum of all colors.  In the
subtractive color scheme, such as in inks and other reflective light
schemes, black is the sum of all colors and white is the absence of all
colors.  So you need to specify which color scheme you are using when
you make blanket statements about black and white. <grin>


Charles Wortz 

From artful at rogers.com  Fri May 23 07:34:45 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 08:34:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Medical Registration app
Message-ID: <044001c32127$b12292a0$8e01a8c0@Rock>

Does anyone know of a medical registration app written in Access, with
source code available, that either already works with SQL or could be
converted fairly easily? It would be used first standalone, but eventually
in 50-100 medical facilities. If anyone has written something like this, it
might be a chance to sell your code. (I am not the potential client, but
even something happens may be involved in the customization.)

Arthur


From j.frederick at att.net  Fri May 23 08:14:57 2003
From: j.frederick at att.net (John Frederick)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 09:14:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99E55672@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <IJEKKPLDKFGPGPNMKNDGCELOCCAA.j.frederick@att.net>

Yes, it is necessary.  When I started doing .asp on the same machine I used
to dial-up to get email, I got, over some period of time, about a dozen
different viruses, some of which propagated through my lan to other
machines.  If you can't block the access from the net to your machines, you
need to either use a firewall or disconnect the pws machine from the lan.

P.S.: If you put firewalls, such as Norton or McAfee on your machines, you
can ask to be warned and have a change to say ok or no when a program tries
to access another machine or the net.  You'll be amazed about how many
Microsoft and other vendow programs do so for no reason related to your
current operation in progress.  If you're not already paranoid, that will
make you so.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 8:03 AM
To: AccessD (E-mail)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses


List,

A while back I got a DSL connection on my home office PC which I
occasionally use for web development using Personal Web Server (Win 9x/ME
version of IIS).  I was advised by our staff network person NOT to run PWS
after the DSL was up because I'd be succeptable to attacks and viruses.
Does anyone know if this is true?  I have not run PWS in a couple of months
and have been using a disconnected laptop to write ASP code but I'm
wondering if this is necessary.  Would I need to install a firewall if I
want to run PWS?

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Fri May 23 08:23:37 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 09:23:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85C68@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Thanks.  I never had a problem when using dial-up though.  Were your viruses sent via e-mail as opposed to direct access to your box?  I thought I was protected from direct access by my ISPs firewall.  I'm hearing the same does not apply to DSL though.

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: John Frederick [mailto:j.frederick at att.net]
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:15 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses


Yes, it is necessary.  When I started doing .asp on the same machine I used
to dial-up to get email, I got, over some period of time, about a dozen
different viruses, some of which propagated through my lan to other
machines.  If you can't block the access from the net to your machines, you
need to either use a firewall or disconnect the pws machine from the lan.

P.S.: If you put firewalls, such as Norton or McAfee on your machines, you
can ask to be warned and have a change to say ok or no when a program tries
to access another machine or the net.  You'll be amazed about how many
Microsoft and other vendow programs do so for no reason related to your
current operation in progress.  If you're not already paranoid, that will
make you so.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 8:03 AM
To: AccessD (E-mail)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses


List,

A while back I got a DSL connection on my home office PC which I
occasionally use for web development using Personal Web Server (Win 9x/ME
version of IIS).  I was advised by our staff network person NOT to run PWS
after the DSL was up because I'd be succeptable to attacks and viruses.
Does anyone know if this is true?  I have not run PWS in a couple of months
and have been using a disconnected laptop to write ASP code but I'm
wondering if this is necessary.  Would I need to install a firewall if I
want to run PWS?

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri May 23 08:24:28 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 08:24:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Medical Registration app
In-Reply-To: <044001c32127$b12292a0$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <001101c3212e$a34a3eb0$de1811d8@DanWaters>

Arthur,

Be sure that you are familiar with the FDA's electronic records and
signature requirements before you start this.  

Try this site: http://www.fda.gov/ora/compliance_ref/part11/

Also, the requirements are currently undergoing a review that will probably
impact any database written for the medical environment.  I don't know when
the review will be complete.

Good Luck!
Dan


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 6:35 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Medical Registration app


Does anyone know of a medical registration app written in Access, with
source code available, that either already works with SQL or could be
converted fairly easily? It would be used first standalone, but eventually
in 50-100 medical facilities. If anyone has written something like this, it
might be a chance to sell your code. (I am not the potential client, but
even something happens may be involved in the customization.)

Arthur

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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Fri May 23 08:28:55 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 06:28:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
In-Reply-To: <IJEKKPLDKFGPGPNMKNDGCELOCCAA.j.frederick@att.net>
Message-ID: <20030523132855.75133.qmail@web13409.mail.yahoo.com>

Personally, I wouldn't run ANY public accessable
services on my LAN.  There is a MUCH safer way to do
it, but it isn't super cheap.

I have a custom built firewall, which I run at home. 
The "public" side of it connects directly to my
Internet connection, in this case a 1Mbit VDSL
connection.  Then I have a "private" side, which
connects to my LAN, and has my strict firewall rules. 
Only what I want gets in and out.  Lastly, I have a
"DMZ".  This is where I place my publicly accessable
machines.  It is still firewalled, but not as
stringently as the LAN side, since the public needs to
hit it.  Even in this DMZ I only let through the ports
I absolutely need to.  Such as 80 & 443 for Web, 25 &
110 for e-mail, etc.  My LAN is also firewalled from
my DMZ in this configuration except for what's
absolutely needed.

In this confugiration, unless I specifically open an
e-mail with a virus attached, or something silly like
that, I'm about as safe as one can get from "the big
bad Internet".  The worst that can happen is that
there is an exploit for one of my publicly accessable
boxes and they get compromised.  My LAN is still safe.

As a side note, my firewall, web server, and e-mail
server are all running Linix or FreeBSD.  This makes
them less succeptable to all of the more common
attacks that the "script kiddies" like to use.  About
80% of the attacks and defacements on publicly
accessable servers are done by "script kiddies".  An
added benifit is that IIS specific exploits have no
affect other than to fill my logs, which archive and
rotate off daily.

Is this a bit excessive, since I don't run a business
out of my home?  Yeah, it is.  But there's no such
thing as too much security.

--- John Frederick <j.frederick at att.net> wrote:
> Yes, it is necessary.  When I started doing .asp on
> the same machine I used
> to dial-up to get email, I got, over some period of
> time, about a dozen
> different viruses, some of which propagated through
> my lan to other
> machines.  If you can't block the access from the
> net to your machines, you
> need to either use a firewall or disconnect the pws
> machine from the lan.
> 
> P.S.: If you put firewalls, such as Norton or McAfee
> on your machines, you
> can ask to be warned and have a change to say ok or
> no when a program tries
> to access another machine or the net.  You'll be
> amazed about how many
> Microsoft and other vendow programs do so for no
> reason related to your
> current operation in progress.  If you're not
> already paranoid, that will
> make you so.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 8:03 AM
> To: AccessD (E-mail)
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> 
> 
> List,
> 
> A while back I got a DSL connection on my home
> office PC which I
> occasionally use for web development using Personal
> Web Server (Win 9x/ME
> version of IIS).  I was advised by our staff network
> person NOT to run PWS
> after the DSL was up because I'd be succeptable to
> attacks and viruses.
> Does anyone know if this is true?  I have not run
> PWS in a couple of months
> and have been using a disconnected laptop to write
> ASP code but I'm
> wondering if this is necessary.  Would I need to
> install a firewall if I
> want to run PWS?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jim DeMarco
> 
> 
>
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Fri May 23 08:44:30 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 09:44:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85C6C@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

What about running it on another machine on my (wireless) network that's not directly connected to my DSL modem but has Internet access via that connection?  Is that any safer?

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:29 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses


Personally, I wouldn't run ANY public accessable
services on my LAN.  There is a MUCH safer way to do
it, but it isn't super cheap.

I have a custom built firewall, which I run at home. 
The "public" side of it connects directly to my
Internet connection, in this case a 1Mbit VDSL
connection.  Then I have a "private" side, which
connects to my LAN, and has my strict firewall rules. 
Only what I want gets in and out.  Lastly, I have a
"DMZ".  This is where I place my publicly accessable
machines.  It is still firewalled, but not as
stringently as the LAN side, since the public needs to
hit it.  Even in this DMZ I only let through the ports
I absolutely need to.  Such as 80 & 443 for Web, 25 &
110 for e-mail, etc.  My LAN is also firewalled from
my DMZ in this configuration except for what's
absolutely needed.

In this confugiration, unless I specifically open an
e-mail with a virus attached, or something silly like
that, I'm about as safe as one can get from "the big
bad Internet".  The worst that can happen is that
there is an exploit for one of my publicly accessable
boxes and they get compromised.  My LAN is still safe.

As a side note, my firewall, web server, and e-mail
server are all running Linix or FreeBSD.  This makes
them less succeptable to all of the more common
attacks that the "script kiddies" like to use.  About
80% of the attacks and defacements on publicly
accessable servers are done by "script kiddies".  An
added benifit is that IIS specific exploits have no
affect other than to fill my logs, which archive and
rotate off daily.

Is this a bit excessive, since I don't run a business
out of my home?  Yeah, it is.  But there's no such
thing as too much security.

--- John Frederick <j.frederick at att.net> wrote:
> Yes, it is necessary.  When I started doing .asp on
> the same machine I used
> to dial-up to get email, I got, over some period of
> time, about a dozen
> different viruses, some of which propagated through
> my lan to other
> machines.  If you can't block the access from the
> net to your machines, you
> need to either use a firewall or disconnect the pws
> machine from the lan.
> 
> P.S.: If you put firewalls, such as Norton or McAfee
> on your machines, you
> can ask to be warned and have a change to say ok or
> no when a program tries
> to access another machine or the net.  You'll be
> amazed about how many
> Microsoft and other vendow programs do so for no
> reason related to your
> current operation in progress.  If you're not
> already paranoid, that will
> make you so.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 8:03 AM
> To: AccessD (E-mail)
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> 
> 
> List,
> 
> A while back I got a DSL connection on my home
> office PC which I
> occasionally use for web development using Personal
> Web Server (Win 9x/ME
> version of IIS).  I was advised by our staff network
> person NOT to run PWS
> after the DSL was up because I'd be succeptable to
> attacks and viruses.
> Does anyone know if this is true?  I have not run
> PWS in a couple of months
> and have been using a disconnected laptop to write
> ASP code but I'm
> wondering if this is necessary.  Would I need to
> install a firewall if I
> want to run PWS?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jim DeMarco
> 
> 
>
****************************************************************************
> *******
> "This electronic message is intended to be for the
> use only of the named
> recipient, and may contain information from Hudson
> Health Plan (HHP) that is
> confidential or privileged.  If you are not the
> intended recipient, you are
> hereby notified that any disclosure, copying,
> distribution or use of the
> contents of this message is strictly prohibited.  If
> you have received this
> message in error or are not the named recipient,
> please notify us
> immediately, either by contacting the sender at the
> electronic mail address
> noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you
> are not the intended
> recipient, please do not forward this email to
> anyone, and delete and
> destroy all copies of this message.  Thank You".
>
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> 
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From j.frederick at att.net  Fri May 23 08:56:02 2003
From: j.frederick at att.net (John Frederick)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 09:56:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85C6C@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <IJEKKPLDKFGPGPNMKNDGKELPCCAA.j.frederick@att.net>

1.  Concerning the wireless vs. wired lan, I wouldn't expect wireless to be
any safer.
2.  The IIS viruses are a different breed from the email viruses.  I assume
I got my IIS ones from these programs that are constantly searching for web
servers.  During the time I was on-line getting my email or browsing, I
looked like a wide-open web server.
3.  A firewall doesn't have to be a big project.  I'm told that there are
low cost lan routers that include a firewall function.  You connect the DSL
modem through that function.  I can testify that the software firewalls on
each machine interfere with many of the programs that otherwise operate
across your lan.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses


What about running it on another machine on my (wireless) network that's not
directly connected to my DSL modem but has Internet access via that
connection?  Is that any safer?

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:29 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses


Personally, I wouldn't run ANY public accessable
services on my LAN.  There is a MUCH safer way to do
it, but it isn't super cheap.

I have a custom built firewall, which I run at home.
The "public" side of it connects directly to my
Internet connection, in this case a 1Mbit VDSL
connection.  Then I have a "private" side, which
connects to my LAN, and has my strict firewall rules.
Only what I want gets in and out.  Lastly, I have a
"DMZ".  This is where I place my publicly accessable
machines.  It is still firewalled, but not as
stringently as the LAN side, since the public needs to
hit it.  Even in this DMZ I only let through the ports
I absolutely need to.  Such as 80 & 443 for Web, 25 &
110 for e-mail, etc.  My LAN is also firewalled from
my DMZ in this configuration except for what's
absolutely needed.

In this confugiration, unless I specifically open an
e-mail with a virus attached, or something silly like
that, I'm about as safe as one can get from "the big
bad Internet".  The worst that can happen is that
there is an exploit for one of my publicly accessable
boxes and they get compromised.  My LAN is still safe.

As a side note, my firewall, web server, and e-mail
server are all running Linix or FreeBSD.  This makes
them less succeptable to all of the more common
attacks that the "script kiddies" like to use.  About
80% of the attacks and defacements on publicly
accessable servers are done by "script kiddies".  An
added benifit is that IIS specific exploits have no
affect other than to fill my logs, which archive and
rotate off daily.

Is this a bit excessive, since I don't run a business
out of my home?  Yeah, it is.  But there's no such
thing as too much security.

--- John Frederick <j.frederick at att.net> wrote:
> Yes, it is necessary.  When I started doing .asp on
> the same machine I used
> to dial-up to get email, I got, over some period of
> time, about a dozen
> different viruses, some of which propagated through
> my lan to other
> machines.  If you can't block the access from the
> net to your machines, you
> need to either use a firewall or disconnect the pws
> machine from the lan.
>
> P.S.: If you put firewalls, such as Norton or McAfee
> on your machines, you
> can ask to be warned and have a change to say ok or
> no when a program tries
> to access another machine or the net.  You'll be
> amazed about how many
> Microsoft and other vendow programs do so for no
> reason related to your
> current operation in progress.  If you're not
> already paranoid, that will
> make you so.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 8:03 AM
> To: AccessD (E-mail)
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
>
>
> List,
>
> A while back I got a DSL connection on my home
> office PC which I
> occasionally use for web development using Personal
> Web Server (Win 9x/ME
> version of IIS).  I was advised by our staff network
> person NOT to run PWS
> after the DSL was up because I'd be succeptable to
> attacks and viruses.
> Does anyone know if this is true?  I have not run
> PWS in a couple of months
> and have been using a disconnected laptop to write
> ASP code but I'm
> wondering if this is necessary.  Would I need to
> install a firewall if I
> want to run PWS?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
>
>
****************************************************************************
> *******
> "This electronic message is intended to be for the
> use only of the named
> recipient, and may contain information from Hudson
> Health Plan (HHP) that is
> confidential or privileged.  If you are not the
> intended recipient, you are
> hereby notified that any disclosure, copying,
> distribution or use of the
> contents of this message is strictly prohibited.  If
> you have received this
> message in error or are not the named recipient,
> please notify us
> immediately, either by contacting the sender at the
> electronic mail address
> noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you
> are not the intended
> recipient, please do not forward this email to
> anyone, and delete and
> destroy all copies of this message.  Thank You".
>
****************************************************************************
> *******
>
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confidential or privileged.  If you are not the intended recipient, you are
hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the
contents of this message is strictly prohibited.  If you have received this
message in error or are not the named recipient, please notify us
immediately, either by contacting the sender at the electronic mail address
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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Fri May 23 08:56:12 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 08:56:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F87832@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Only if you have a firewall between your network and the outside world
and you also secure your wireless so outsiders cannot get in that way.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 23 08:45
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses

What about running it on another machine on my (wireless) network that's
not directly connected to my DSL modem but has Internet access via that
connection?  Is that any safer?

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:29 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses


Personally, I wouldn't run ANY public accessable
services on my LAN.  There is a MUCH safer way to do
it, but it isn't super cheap.

I have a custom built firewall, which I run at home. 
The "public" side of it connects directly to my
Internet connection, in this case a 1Mbit VDSL
connection.  Then I have a "private" side, which
connects to my LAN, and has my strict firewall rules. 
Only what I want gets in and out.  Lastly, I have a
"DMZ".  This is where I place my publicly accessable
machines.  It is still firewalled, but not as
stringently as the LAN side, since the public needs to
hit it.  Even in this DMZ I only let through the ports
I absolutely need to.  Such as 80 & 443 for Web, 25 &
110 for e-mail, etc.  My LAN is also firewalled from
my DMZ in this configuration except for what's
absolutely needed.

In this confugiration, unless I specifically open an
e-mail with a virus attached, or something silly like
that, I'm about as safe as one can get from "the big
bad Internet".  The worst that can happen is that
there is an exploit for one of my publicly accessable
boxes and they get compromised.  My LAN is still safe.

As a side note, my firewall, web server, and e-mail
server are all running Linix or FreeBSD.  This makes
them less succeptable to all of the more common
attacks that the "script kiddies" like to use.  About
80% of the attacks and defacements on publicly
accessable servers are done by "script kiddies".  An
added benifit is that IIS specific exploits have no
affect other than to fill my logs, which archive and
rotate off daily.

Is this a bit excessive, since I don't run a business
out of my home?  Yeah, it is.  But there's no such
thing as too much security.

From chizotz at charter.net  Fri May 23 08:56:36 2003
From: chizotz at charter.net (Ron  Allen)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 09:56:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 OutputTo HTML Formatting
In-Reply-To: <20030523132855.75133.qmail@web13409.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <web-975993@rems05.cluster1.charter.net>

I have a very simple report in Access97 that I need to 
export to HTML. The report exports to HTML wonderfully 
using OutputTo, and looks great, except for one thing. 
Instead of using the navigation links to move between 
pages, the people needing this report want it all on one 
long HTML page so they can also print it out in one print 
rather than printing each page.

I've looked all over to see if I could find information on 
this, and I've found nothing. I've tried various ways of 
formating the report to try to eliminate page breaks. I've 
tried modifying the template in various ways. Anyone know 
if what I'm trying to do is even possible?

Thanks,

Ron 

From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Fri May 23 09:10:49 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 09:10:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 OutputTo HTML Formatting
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F35855@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Ron,

If you want it as one big file instead of a file per page, then export
it as RTF instead of HTML.  If RTF is not an option for you, then my
next suggestion is to use an HTML editor to paste the files back
together as one.  And if that is not an option either, then you can do
it by hand.  The HTML code is easy to modify.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Allen [mailto:chizotz at charter.net] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 23 08:57
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 OutputTo HTML Formatting

I have a very simple report in Access97 that I need to 
export to HTML. The report exports to HTML wonderfully 
using OutputTo, and looks great, except for one thing. 
Instead of using the navigation links to move between 
pages, the people needing this report want it all on one 
long HTML page so they can also print it out in one print 
rather than printing each page.

I've looked all over to see if I could find information on 
this, and I've found nothing. I've tried various ways of 
formating the report to try to eliminate page breaks. I've 
tried modifying the template in various ways. Anyone know 
if what I'm trying to do is even possible?

Thanks,

Ron 

From marcel.vreuls at oop.nl  Fri May 23 09:18:46 2003
From: marcel.vreuls at oop.nl (Marcel Vreuls)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 16:18:46 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Medical Registration app
In-Reply-To: <044001c32127$b12292a0$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <000c01c32136$39655a40$c100a8c0@OOPMBO>

Arthur,

I have looked for a system like this for about two years ago. I found
AccessGP but decided I take of developing the app myself. YOu can take a
look at http://www.accessgp.com/

gr. marcel vreuls

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: vrijdag 23 mei 2003 14:35
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Medical Registration app


Does anyone know of a medical registration app written in Access, with
source code available, that either already works with SQL or could be
converted fairly easily? It would be used first standalone, but eventually
in 50-100 medical facilities. If anyone has written something like this, it
might be a chance to sell your code. (I am not the potential client, but
even something happens may be involved in the customization.)

Arthur

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From chizotz at charter.net  Fri May 23 09:30:54 2003
From: chizotz at charter.net (Ron  Allen)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 10:30:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 OutputTo HTML Formatting
In-Reply-To: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F35855@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <web-976228@rems05.cluster1.charter.net>

Thanks Charles. I agree, .rtf is probably a better option 
for what they're wanting to do. I'm going to press again 
for a move to .rtf. Otherwise, I'll write a program to 
modify the HTML files directly.

Ron

On Fri, 23 May 2003 09:10:49 -0500
  "Wortz, Charles" <CWortz at tea.state.tx.us> wrote:
>Ron,
>
>If you want it as one big file instead of a file per 
>page, then export
>it as RTF instead of HTML.  If RTF is not an option for 
>you, then my
>next suggestion is to use an HTML editor to paste the 
>files back
>together as one.  And if that is not an option either, 
>then you can do
>it by hand.  The HTML code is easy to modify.

From marcel.vreuls at oop.nl  Fri May 23 09:36:27 2003
From: marcel.vreuls at oop.nl (Marcel Vreuls)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 16:36:27 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Presentation of a URL
In-Reply-To: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F87832@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <000701c32138$b23615c0$c100a8c0@OOPMBO>

Hi group,

I store the website of companies in our CRM package. On the form the URL is
being displayed as www.oop.nl#http://www.oop.nl
When clicking this...oeps..no website. 

Any suggestions to adjust the display of this. The datatype of the field in
the database is Hyperlink.

Thank,

Marcel 
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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Fri May 23 09:44:59 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 09:44:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Presentation of a URL
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F87833@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Marcel,

Everything to the left of the http: should not be there.  You only want
the http://www.oop.nl part to display and be stored in your table.  You
will have to look through your form that displays it, your table that
stores it and the form that puts it into the table to see where that
extra stuff (very technical word <grin>) is coming from.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Marcel Vreuls
Sent: Friday 2003 May 23 09:36
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Presentation of a URL

Hi group,

I store the website of companies in our CRM package. On the form the URL
is being displayed as www.oop.nl#http://www.oop.nl When clicking
this...oeps..no website. 

Any suggestions to adjust the display of this. The datatype of the field
in the database is Hyperlink.

Thank,

Marcel 

From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Fri May 23 09:47:51 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 07:47:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85C6C@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <20030523144751.60450.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com>

If it touches the Internet in any way, except through
a firewall, it's vulnerable.  Some wireless routers
have a built-in "firewall", but I'm not sure how
secure they really are.  I never trust multi-function
systems like that.  I use a wireless router for
wireless connections, and a firewall for a firewall.

--- Jim DeMarco <Jdemarco at hshhp.org> wrote:
> What about running it on another machine on my
> (wireless) network that's not directly connected to
> my DSL modem but has Internet access via that
> connection?  Is that any safer?
> 
> Jim DeMarco
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Tanner III
> [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:29 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> 
> 
> Personally, I wouldn't run ANY public accessable
> services on my LAN.  There is a MUCH safer way to do
> it, but it isn't super cheap.
> 
> I have a custom built firewall, which I run at home.
> 
> The "public" side of it connects directly to my
> Internet connection, in this case a 1Mbit VDSL
> connection.  Then I have a "private" side, which
> connects to my LAN, and has my strict firewall
> rules. 
> Only what I want gets in and out.  Lastly, I have a
> "DMZ".  This is where I place my publicly accessable
> machines.  It is still firewalled, but not as
> stringently as the LAN side, since the public needs
> to
> hit it.  Even in this DMZ I only let through the
> ports
> I absolutely need to.  Such as 80 & 443 for Web, 25
> &
> 110 for e-mail, etc.  My LAN is also firewalled from
> my DMZ in this configuration except for what's
> absolutely needed.
> 
> In this confugiration, unless I specifically open an
> e-mail with a virus attached, or something silly
> like
> that, I'm about as safe as one can get from "the big
> bad Internet".  The worst that can happen is that
> there is an exploit for one of my publicly
> accessable
> boxes and they get compromised.  My LAN is still
> safe.
> 
> As a side note, my firewall, web server, and e-mail
> server are all running Linix or FreeBSD.  This makes
> them less succeptable to all of the more common
> attacks that the "script kiddies" like to use. 
> About
> 80% of the attacks and defacements on publicly
> accessable servers are done by "script kiddies".  An
> added benifit is that IIS specific exploits have no
> affect other than to fill my logs, which archive and
> rotate off daily.
> 
> Is this a bit excessive, since I don't run a
> business
> out of my home?  Yeah, it is.  But there's no such
> thing as too much security.
> 
> --- John Frederick <j.frederick at att.net> wrote:
> > Yes, it is necessary.  When I started doing .asp
> on
> > the same machine I used
> > to dial-up to get email, I got, over some period
> of
> > time, about a dozen
> > different viruses, some of which propagated
> through
> > my lan to other
> > machines.  If you can't block the access from the
> > net to your machines, you
> > need to either use a firewall or disconnect the
> pws
> > machine from the lan.
> > 
> > P.S.: If you put firewalls, such as Norton or
> McAfee
> > on your machines, you
> > can ask to be warned and have a change to say ok
> or
> > no when a program tries
> > to access another machine or the net.  You'll be
> > amazed about how many
> > Microsoft and other vendow programs do so for no
> > reason related to your
> > current operation in progress.  If you're not
> > already paranoid, that will
> > make you so.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 8:03 AM
> > To: AccessD (E-mail)
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> > 
> > 
> > List,
> > 
> > A while back I got a DSL connection on my home
> > office PC which I
> > occasionally use for web development using
> Personal
> > Web Server (Win 9x/ME
> > version of IIS).  I was advised by our staff
> network
> > person NOT to run PWS
> > after the DSL was up because I'd be succeptable to
> > attacks and viruses.
> > Does anyone know if this is true?  I have not run
> > PWS in a couple of months
> > and have been using a disconnected laptop to write
> > ASP code but I'm
> > wondering if this is necessary.  Would I need to
> > install a firewall if I
> > want to run PWS?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Jim DeMarco
> > 
> > 
> >
>
****************************************************************************
> > *******
> > "This electronic message is intended to be for the
> > use only of the named
> > recipient, and may contain information from Hudson
> > Health Plan (HHP) that is
> > confidential or privileged.  If you are not the
> > intended recipient, you are
> > hereby notified that any disclosure, copying,
> > distribution or use of the
> > contents of this message is strictly prohibited. 
> If
> > you have received this
> > message in error or are not the named recipient,
> > please notify us
> > immediately, either by contacting the sender at
> the
> > electronic mail address
> > noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If
> you
> > are not the intended
> > recipient, please do not forward this email to
> > anyone, and delete and
> > destroy all copies of this message.  Thank You".
> >
>
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> > 
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> use only of the named recipient, and may contain
> information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that is
> confidential or privileged.  If you are not the
> intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
> disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the
> contents of this message is strictly prohibited.  If
> you have received this message in error or are not
> the named recipient, please notify us immediately,
> either by contacting the sender at the electronic
> mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914)
> 631-1611. If you are not the intended recipient,
> please do not forward this email to anyone, and
> delete and destroy all copies of this message. 
> Thank You".
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May 23 10:08:00 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 08:08:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FC6@infoserver01.infostat.local>

My DSL router, which is not wireless, has a built in firewall.  You have
to disable software firewalls in order to install the router.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 6:48 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses


If it touches the Internet in any way, except through
a firewall, it's vulnerable.  Some wireless routers
have a built-in "firewall", but I'm not sure how
secure they really are.  I never trust multi-function
systems like that.  I use a wireless router for
wireless connections, and a firewall for a firewall.

--- Jim DeMarco <Jdemarco at hshhp.org> wrote:
> What about running it on another machine on my
> (wireless) network that's not directly connected to
> my DSL modem but has Internet access via that
> connection?  Is that any safer?
> 
> Jim DeMarco
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Tanner III
> [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:29 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> 
> 
> Personally, I wouldn't run ANY public accessable
> services on my LAN.  There is a MUCH safer way to do
> it, but it isn't super cheap.
> 
> I have a custom built firewall, which I run at home.
> 
> The "public" side of it connects directly to my
> Internet connection, in this case a 1Mbit VDSL
> connection.  Then I have a "private" side, which
> connects to my LAN, and has my strict firewall
> rules.
> Only what I want gets in and out.  Lastly, I have a
> "DMZ".  This is where I place my publicly accessable
> machines.  It is still firewalled, but not as
> stringently as the LAN side, since the public needs
> to
> hit it.  Even in this DMZ I only let through the
> ports
> I absolutely need to.  Such as 80 & 443 for Web, 25
> &
> 110 for e-mail, etc.  My LAN is also firewalled from
> my DMZ in this configuration except for what's
> absolutely needed.
> 
> In this confugiration, unless I specifically open an
> e-mail with a virus attached, or something silly
> like
> that, I'm about as safe as one can get from "the big
> bad Internet".  The worst that can happen is that
> there is an exploit for one of my publicly
> accessable
> boxes and they get compromised.  My LAN is still
> safe.
> 
> As a side note, my firewall, web server, and e-mail
> server are all running Linix or FreeBSD.  This makes
> them less succeptable to all of the more common
> attacks that the "script kiddies" like to use.
> About
> 80% of the attacks and defacements on publicly
> accessable servers are done by "script kiddies".  An
> added benifit is that IIS specific exploits have no
> affect other than to fill my logs, which archive and
> rotate off daily.
> 
> Is this a bit excessive, since I don't run a
> business
> out of my home?  Yeah, it is.  But there's no such
> thing as too much security.
> 
> --- John Frederick <j.frederick at att.net> wrote:
> > Yes, it is necessary.  When I started doing .asp
> on
> > the same machine I used
> > to dial-up to get email, I got, over some period
> of
> > time, about a dozen
> > different viruses, some of which propagated
> through
> > my lan to other
> > machines.  If you can't block the access from the
> > net to your machines, you
> > need to either use a firewall or disconnect the
> pws
> > machine from the lan.
> > 
> > P.S.: If you put firewalls, such as Norton or
> McAfee
> > on your machines, you
> > can ask to be warned and have a change to say ok
> or
> > no when a program tries
> > to access another machine or the net.  You'll be
> > amazed about how many
> > Microsoft and other vendow programs do so for no
> > reason related to your
> > current operation in progress.  If you're not
> > already paranoid, that will
> > make you so.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 8:03 AM
> > To: AccessD (E-mail)
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> > 
> > 
> > List,
> > 
> > A while back I got a DSL connection on my home
> > office PC which I
> > occasionally use for web development using
> Personal
> > Web Server (Win 9x/ME
> > version of IIS).  I was advised by our staff
> network
> > person NOT to run PWS
> > after the DSL was up because I'd be succeptable to
> > attacks and viruses.
> > Does anyone know if this is true?  I have not run
> > PWS in a couple of months
> > and have been using a disconnected laptop to write
> > ASP code but I'm
> > wondering if this is necessary.  Would I need to
> > install a firewall if I
> > want to run PWS?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Jim DeMarco
> > 
> > 
> >
>
************************************************************************
****
> > *******
> > "This electronic message is intended to be for the
> > use only of the named
> > recipient, and may contain information from Hudson
> > Health Plan (HHP) that is
> > confidential or privileged.  If you are not the
> > intended recipient, you are
> > hereby notified that any disclosure, copying,
> > distribution or use of the
> > contents of this message is strictly prohibited.
> If
> > you have received this
> > message in error or are not the named recipient,
> > please notify us
> > immediately, either by contacting the sender at
> the
> > electronic mail address
> > noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If
> you
> > are not the intended
> > recipient, please do not forward this email to
> > anyone, and delete and
> > destroy all copies of this message.  Thank You".
> >
>
************************************************************************
****
> > *******
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >
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> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
>
************************************************************************
***********
> "This electronic message is intended to be for the
> use only of the named recipient, and may contain
> information from Hudson Health Plan (HHP) that is confidential or 
> privileged.  If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby 
> notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the
> contents of this message is strictly prohibited.  If
> you have received this message in error or are not
> the named recipient, please notify us immediately,
> either by contacting the sender at the electronic
> mail address noted above or calling HHP at (914)
> 631-1611. If you are not the intended recipient,
> please do not forward this email to anyone, and
> delete and destroy all copies of this message. 
> Thank You".
>
************************************************************************
***********
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May 23 10:10:44 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 08:10:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 OutputTo HTML Formatting
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FC7@infoserver01.infostat.local>

You might consider outputting to the snapshot format instead.  It will
capture all the graphics and layout like HTML (and unlike rtf) and all
they need is the downloadable viewer to view and print the report.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Allen [mailto:chizotz at charter.net] 
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 5:57 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 OutputTo HTML Formatting


I have a very simple report in Access97 that I need to 
export to HTML. The report exports to HTML wonderfully 
using OutputTo, and looks great, except for one thing. 
Instead of using the navigation links to move between 
pages, the people needing this report want it all on one 
long HTML page so they can also print it out in one print 
rather than printing each page.

I've looked all over to see if I could find information on 
this, and I've found nothing. I've tried various ways of 
formating the report to try to eliminate page breaks. I've 
tried modifying the template in various ways. Anyone know 
if what I'm trying to do is even possible?

Thanks,

Ron 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May 23 10:11:36 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 08:11:36 -0700
Subject: Friday OT - RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FC8@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Welcome to the dark side of the farce, Luke! <VBG>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 4:23 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Friday OT - RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Drew,

Anything with M$ imprint is all black in any scheme! <grin>

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
Sent: Thursday 2003 May 22 13:30
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples



True, but just out of curiousity, does MS Access use a transmitted light
scheme, or a reflective light scheme?  <grin>

Unless of course you are talking about printed reports, but then that is
not an interface.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 11:56 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples


Drew and Roz,

In the additive color scheme, such as transmitted light, black is the
absence of all colors and white is the sum of all colors.  In the
subtractive color scheme, such as in inks and other reflective light
schemes, black is the sum of all colors and white is the absence of all
colors.  So you need to specify which color scheme you are using when
you make blanket statements about black and white. <grin>


Charles Wortz 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May 23 10:16:33 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 08:16:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A97 on WinXP
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FC9@infoserver01.infostat.local>

For AXP and A2k, I use DAO 3.6 because that is the appropriate version.
For A97, the version is 3.51.  The code is the same, only the version
has been changed. <g>  The activex controls are likely culprits.  Some
of them may not work properly on WinXP, and you'll need to check with
the publishers to find out about any incompatibilities or available
updates.  We had problems with the VB5/A97 calendar control on WinXP,
apparently because WinXP installs the VB6 version of the common
controls.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:02 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A97 on WinXP


Sorry for the short response, that was kind of dorky :o)

I didn't want to waste your time (not yet anyway) until I get more
details from the customer with the problem. (I'm not doing this on site
so it takes awhile talking them through things and all). BTW this was a
customer who was quite adament about the fact that they were going to be
using Win2k for a couple of years yet, so I didn't bother testing this
on WinXP. They're still on O97 and might even skip OXP since the MS
marketing machine is already talking the next version of office. OK by
me though.

Some of the forms aren't opening - they show errors and then crash. I
think I've narrowed it down to only the forms that use a 3rd party
Active X control on them.

I just had a thought about the DAO version. Do you use 3.51 for
everything yet?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> Foust
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 4:02 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A97 on WinXP
>
>
> DAO 3.51 is the proper version for A97. What kind of problems are you 
> having.  "Yes" isn't very descriptive. <g>
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 10:55 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] A97 on WinXP
>
>
> Yes.
>
> Do you think it might be that I'm using DAO 3.51 (not 3.6)?
>
> JB
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> > Foust
> > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 9:44 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] A97 on WinXP
> >
> >
> > We do it all the time, since most of our development and testing 
> > platforms are WinXP and our current released version of all our 
> > products is in A97 (I'm still working on the AXP migration).  Are 
> > you having problems?
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 4:51 AM
> > To: AccessD
> > Subject: [AccessD] A97 on WinXP
> >
> >
> > Has anyone had any issues show up when installing/running A97 
> > runtime app on WinXP?
> >
> > John B.
> > "In trouble-shooting mode"
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
> >
>
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From marcel.vreuls at oop.nl  Fri May 23 10:17:02 2003
From: marcel.vreuls at oop.nl (Marcel Vreuls)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 17:17:02 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Presentation of a URL
In-Reply-To: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F87833@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <001401c3213e$5dad6700$c100a8c0@OOPMBO>

Hi Charles,

I have lost about 5 kilos searching where the problem is, I am not happy but
my wife is...haha... :-).

I cannot find it. My final solution worked. Delete the control from the form
and add a new one. Problem solved but I do not know why this is happened.

Gr. marcel

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz, Charles
Sent: vrijdag 23 mei 2003 16:45
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Presentation of a URL


Marcel,

Everything to the left of the http: should not be there.  You only want
the http://www.oop.nl part to display and be stored in your table.  You
will have to look through your form that displays it, your table that
stores it and the form that puts it into the table to see where that
extra stuff (very technical word <grin>) is coming from.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Marcel Vreuls
Sent: Friday 2003 May 23 09:36
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Presentation of a URL

Hi group,

I store the website of companies in our CRM package. On the form the URL
is being displayed as www.oop.nl#http://www.oop.nl When clicking
this...oeps..no website. 

Any suggestions to adjust the display of this. The datatype of the field
in the database is Hyperlink.

Thank,

Marcel 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May 23 10:17:28 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 08:17:28 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FCA@infoserver01.infostat.local>

To clean up the tidbits, of course.  Gravity only works in one
direction! <VBG>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Powell, David (BBM) [mailto:david.powell at bbm.wapl.com.au] 
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 7:35 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


If you can get the tidbits there, what's the point of using ferrets in
the first place :)


Regards

David


-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: Wednesday, 21 May 2003 9:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


A juicy tidbit at the spot where you want the ferret to go will work.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Elam, Debbie [mailto:DElam at jenkens.com] 
Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 21 08:17
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines

Yes but how would you get them to stop playing with the cable, much less
get them out the correct spot if at all.  I have heard ferrets were used
to string cable in tight places, but I am still trying to figure out how
they were trained.  Ferrets are smart, but do not take direction well,
and consider anything and everything a toy.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Lytle [mailto:nancy.lytle at auatac.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:27 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


On a lighter note, for those really tight places for stringing cables -
walls and low ceilings-, why not use a ferret, they can get into the
most unusual places, they work on the cheap, on the other hand they can
be tempermental.

N Lytle :))

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:57 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


True enough - we only had to get across 2x4 stringers, luckily the
rafters/upper floor bearers (2x10) ran the other way.  The car
negotiated the 2x4s without a problem.

I would NEVER suggest running data through power conduit.  Guess we were
lucky again in that the house is full brick and there is a "fair" 10mm
gap between the skins, the only obstacle to vertical drops being the
brickies ties.  Brick veneer and etc with studded walls is always a
problem for any vertical cabling - I usually have opted for "dress"
conduit except in the rare cases where I felt the job was worth
replastering the wall.

Bruce
P.s. I have done it for a living.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Frank Tanner
III
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Network over the phone lines


That works fine for an office build.  But RC cars
don't work well in raftered house ceilings.  Most
houses here use 2x6s or 2x8s for rafters.  Or at least
most of the ones that I've seen.

If you're running network lines down the same conduit
as electrical wiring you're violating about a dozen
fire and safety codes.  Not to mention every basic
rule of network wiring that there is.

Electrical wiring, ESPECIALLY two-phase and
three-phase wiring emit large amounts of RF.  RF kills
data integrity.  One of the most basic rules of
network wiring is NEVER string your network wires
across power conduits, junction boxes, or lighting
fixtures.  Don't believe me?  Ask anyone that does it
for a living.  You, physically, can do it, but you
shouldn't.  You're asking for trouble.

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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Fri May 23 10:20:27 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 08:20:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
In-Reply-To: <IJEKKPLDKFGPGPNMKNDGKELPCCAA.j.frederick@att.net>
Message-ID: <20030523152027.86649.qmail@web13402.mail.yahoo.com>

The IIS "viruses" are specifically why I run Apache
for my web server.  There are viruses for it, but
they're ALOT less common.

Actually, a wireless LAN can be just as safe as a
wired one, if you take the time to do it properly.

Yes, the "software" firewalls that are commercially
available are much more problematic than they're
worth.  PLUS you have the added hassle of there still
being holes in the underlying OS that they're running
on.  Any firewall is only as secure as the OS that
runs it.  Whether it be Windows, Linux, BSD, OS/2,
whatever.  The "hardwires" and wireless routers that
have a built-in firewall are perfectly fine for MOST
people.  However, they do not support DMZs.  Therefore
they're not advisable to use to run your public
servers.  You'd be stuck with one of two choices. 
Your public servers would be outside the firewall and
extremely vulnerable to everything that came down the
pipe.  Or your public servers would be behind the
firewall, so you'd open up the holes for that possible
attack, as well as your LAN would be wide open to
anyone that can exploit the server itself once they're
one it.  Once they have an open access behind your
firewall, they own your LAN, just as if you didn't
have one.

--- John Frederick <j.frederick at att.net> wrote:
> 1.  Concerning the wireless vs. wired lan, I
> wouldn't expect wireless to be
> any safer.
> 2.  The IIS viruses are a different breed from the
> email viruses.  I assume
> I got my IIS ones from these programs that are
> constantly searching for web
> servers.  During the time I was on-line getting my
> email or browsing, I
> looked like a wide-open web server.
> 3.  A firewall doesn't have to be a big project. 
> I'm told that there are
> low cost lan routers that include a firewall
> function.  You connect the DSL
> modem through that function.  I can testify that the
> software firewalls on
> each machine interfere with many of the programs
> that otherwise operate
> across your lan.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:45 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> 
> 
> What about running it on another machine on my
> (wireless) network that's not
> directly connected to my DSL modem but has Internet
> access via that
> connection?  Is that any safer?
> 
> Jim DeMarco
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Tanner III
> [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:29 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> 
> 
> Personally, I wouldn't run ANY public accessable
> services on my LAN.  There is a MUCH safer way to do
> it, but it isn't super cheap.
> 
> I have a custom built firewall, which I run at home.
> The "public" side of it connects directly to my
> Internet connection, in this case a 1Mbit VDSL
> connection.  Then I have a "private" side, which
> connects to my LAN, and has my strict firewall
> rules.
> Only what I want gets in and out.  Lastly, I have a
> "DMZ".  This is where I place my publicly accessable
> machines.  It is still firewalled, but not as
> stringently as the LAN side, since the public needs
> to
> hit it.  Even in this DMZ I only let through the
> ports
> I absolutely need to.  Such as 80 & 443 for Web, 25
> &
> 110 for e-mail, etc.  My LAN is also firewalled from
> my DMZ in this configuration except for what's
> absolutely needed.
> 
> In this confugiration, unless I specifically open an
> e-mail with a virus attached, or something silly
> like
> that, I'm about as safe as one can get from "the big
> bad Internet".  The worst that can happen is that
> there is an exploit for one of my publicly
> accessable
> boxes and they get compromised.  My LAN is still
> safe.
> 
> As a side note, my firewall, web server, and e-mail
> server are all running Linix or FreeBSD.  This makes
> them less succeptable to all of the more common
> attacks that the "script kiddies" like to use. 
> About
> 80% of the attacks and defacements on publicly
> accessable servers are done by "script kiddies".  An
> added benifit is that IIS specific exploits have no
> affect other than to fill my logs, which archive and
> rotate off daily.
> 
> Is this a bit excessive, since I don't run a
> business
> out of my home?  Yeah, it is.  But there's no such
> thing as too much security.
> 
> --- John Frederick <j.frederick at att.net> wrote:
> > Yes, it is necessary.  When I started doing .asp
> on
> > the same machine I used
> > to dial-up to get email, I got, over some period
> of
> > time, about a dozen
> > different viruses, some of which propagated
> through
> > my lan to other
> > machines.  If you can't block the access from the
> > net to your machines, you
> > need to either use a firewall or disconnect the
> pws
> > machine from the lan.
> >
> > P.S.: If you put firewalls, such as Norton or
> McAfee
> > on your machines, you
> > can ask to be warned and have a change to say ok
> or
> > no when a program tries
> > to access another machine or the net.  You'll be
> > amazed about how many
> > Microsoft and other vendow programs do so for no
> > reason related to your
> > current operation in progress.  If you're not
> > already paranoid, that will
> > make you so.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 8:03 AM
> > To: AccessD (E-mail)
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> >
> >
> > List,
> >
> > A while back I got a DSL connection on my home
> > office PC which I
> > occasionally use for web development using
> Personal
> > Web Server (Win 9x/ME
> > version of IIS).  I was advised by our staff
> network
> > person NOT to run PWS
> > after the DSL was up because I'd be succeptable to
> > attacks and viruses.
> > Does anyone know if this is true?  I have not run
> > PWS in a couple of months
> > and have been using a disconnected laptop to write
> > ASP code but I'm
> > wondering if this is necessary.  Would I need to
> > install a firewall if I
> > want to run PWS?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jim DeMarco
> >
> >
> >
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From chizotz at charter.net  Fri May 23 10:21:40 2003
From: chizotz at charter.net (Ron  Allen)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 11:21:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 OutputTo HTML Formatting
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FC7@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <web-954426@rems07.cluster1.charter.net>

Charlotte,

That is a great idea that I hadn't considered. Thank you. 
I have a meeting about this in about an hour, I'll check 
this out as an alternative to present.

Ron


On Fri, 23 May 2003 08:10:44 -0700
  "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
>You might consider outputting to the snapshot format 
>instead.  It will
>capture all the graphics and layout like HTML (and unlike 
>rtf) and all
>they need is the downloadable viewer to view and print 
>the report.

From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Fri May 23 10:21:47 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 08:21:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FC6@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <20030523152147.8151.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com>

Yes, I am aware that "hardwired" routers have
firewalls in them too.  We were talking about wireless
ones, though....hehehehe

--- Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
wrote:
> My DSL router, which is not wireless, has a built in
> firewall.  You have
> to disable software firewalls in order to install
> the router.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Tanner III
> [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com] 
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 6:48 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> 
> 
> If it touches the Internet in any way, except
> through
> a firewall, it's vulnerable.  Some wireless routers
> have a built-in "firewall", but I'm not sure how
> secure they really are.  I never trust
> multi-function
> systems like that.  I use a wireless router for
> wireless connections, and a firewall for a firewall.
> 
> --- Jim DeMarco <Jdemarco at hshhp.org> wrote:
> > What about running it on another machine on my
> > (wireless) network that's not directly connected
> to
> > my DSL modem but has Internet access via that
> > connection?  Is that any safer?
> > 
> > Jim DeMarco
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Frank Tanner III
> > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:29 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> > 
> > 
> > Personally, I wouldn't run ANY public accessable
> > services on my LAN.  There is a MUCH safer way to
> do
> > it, but it isn't super cheap.
> > 
> > I have a custom built firewall, which I run at
> home.
> > 
> > The "public" side of it connects directly to my
> > Internet connection, in this case a 1Mbit VDSL
> > connection.  Then I have a "private" side, which
> > connects to my LAN, and has my strict firewall
> > rules.
> > Only what I want gets in and out.  Lastly, I have
> a
> > "DMZ".  This is where I place my publicly
> accessable
> > machines.  It is still firewalled, but not as
> > stringently as the LAN side, since the public
> needs
> > to
> > hit it.  Even in this DMZ I only let through the
> > ports
> > I absolutely need to.  Such as 80 & 443 for Web,
> 25
> > &
> > 110 for e-mail, etc.  My LAN is also firewalled
> from
> > my DMZ in this configuration except for what's
> > absolutely needed.
> > 
> > In this confugiration, unless I specifically open
> an
> > e-mail with a virus attached, or something silly
> > like
> > that, I'm about as safe as one can get from "the
> big
> > bad Internet".  The worst that can happen is that
> > there is an exploit for one of my publicly
> > accessable
> > boxes and they get compromised.  My LAN is still
> > safe.
> > 
> > As a side note, my firewall, web server, and
> e-mail
> > server are all running Linix or FreeBSD.  This
> makes
> > them less succeptable to all of the more common
> > attacks that the "script kiddies" like to use.
> > About
> > 80% of the attacks and defacements on publicly
> > accessable servers are done by "script kiddies". 
> An
> > added benifit is that IIS specific exploits have
> no
> > affect other than to fill my logs, which archive
> and
> > rotate off daily.
> > 
> > Is this a bit excessive, since I don't run a
> > business
> > out of my home?  Yeah, it is.  But there's no such
> > thing as too much security.
> > 
> > --- John Frederick <j.frederick at att.net> wrote:
> > > Yes, it is necessary.  When I started doing .asp
> > on
> > > the same machine I used
> > > to dial-up to get email, I got, over some period
> > of
> > > time, about a dozen
> > > different viruses, some of which propagated
> > through
> > > my lan to other
> > > machines.  If you can't block the access from
> the
> > > net to your machines, you
> > > need to either use a firewall or disconnect the
> > pws
> > > machine from the lan.
> > > 
> > > P.S.: If you put firewalls, such as Norton or
> > McAfee
> > > on your machines, you
> > > can ask to be warned and have a change to say ok
> > or
> > > no when a program tries
> > > to access another machine or the net.  You'll be
> > > amazed about how many
> > > Microsoft and other vendow programs do so for no
> > > reason related to your
> > > current operation in progress.  If you're not
> > > already paranoid, that will
> > > make you so.
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> > > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 8:03 AM
> > > To: AccessD (E-mail)
> > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> > > 
> > > 
> > > List,
> > > 
> > > A while back I got a DSL connection on my home
> > > office PC which I
> > > occasionally use for web development using
> > Personal
> > > Web Server (Win 9x/ME
> > > version of IIS).  I was advised by our staff
> > network
> > > person NOT to run PWS
> > > after the DSL was up because I'd be succeptable
> to
> > > attacks and viruses.
> > > Does anyone know if this is true?  I have not
> run
> > > PWS in a couple of months
> > > and have been using a disconnected laptop to
> write
> > > ASP code but I'm
> > > wondering if this is necessary.  Would I need to
> > > install a firewall if I
> > > want to run PWS?
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > 
> > > Jim DeMarco
> > > 
> > > 
> > >
> >
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From delliker at hotmail.com  Fri May 23 10:28:26 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 11:28:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 OutputTo HTML Formatting
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri May 23 10:26:16 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 08:26:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C8A@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <3ECE3D98.3070805@shaw.ca>

I believe all raster screens use RGB additive colours, however vector 
graphic screens(draws only a single line at a time) like the old 
Tektronix colour graphics terminals, used subtractive CYM colours. This 
only got messy when you were trying to add 35 mm cameras to capture the 
screen output to slides. I used this back in 80's for IBM main frame 
3270 colour terminals. The 35 mm terminal adapter was expensive at the 
time around $5000.

Drew Wutka wrote:

>True, but just out of curiousity, does MS Access use a transmitted light
>scheme, or a reflective light scheme?  <grin>
>
>Unless of course you are talking about printed reports, but then that is not
>an interface.
>
>Drew
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us]
>Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 11:56 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
>
>
>Drew and Roz,
>
>In the additive color scheme, such as transmitted light, black is the
>absence of all colors and white is the sum of all colors.  In the
>subtractive color scheme, such as in inks and other reflective light
>schemes, black is the sum of all colors and white is the absence of all
>colors.  So you need to specify which color scheme you are using when
>you make blanket statements about black and white. <grin>
>
>
>Charles Wortz 
>Software Development Division 
>Texas Education Agency 
>1701 N. Congress Ave 
>Austin, TX 78701-1494 
>512-463-9493 
>CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] 
>Sent: Thursday 2003 May 22 11:39
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
>
>Philosphically, you may be right.  Unfortunately, my eyes aren't
>philosophical about it.  Black, and all dark colors for that matter,
>have visual "weight" that overpowers white.  So on a black page with
>white print, the background overpowers the text.  At least, that's the
>way *my* vision works.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] 
>Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:20 AM
>To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
>
>
>That's what I thought (though I think you have your last sentence
>reversed...books are black on white...).  White on Black is letting your
>eye's see what's there, not what's NOT there.  (Since Black is the
>absence of all color, and white is the presence of all.)
>
>Drew
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk]
>Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:46 AM
>To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
>
>
>Psych studies have actually shown that the human eye differentiates
>light on dark more easily than dark on light and a dark background
>(making up, as it does, most of the screen) should cause less strain to
>the eyes, being less bright.
>
>However, I think that we find reading white-on-black easiest because
>we've all been habituated to it from reading books.
>
>Roz
>Roz 
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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Fri May 23 10:33:17 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 10:33:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Presentation of a URL
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F35859@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Marcel,

If that is the case, then the control was corrupted.  How or why we will
never know!

Enjoy your slimmer self, especially if your wife likes less of you.
<grin>

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Marcel Vreuls
Sent: Friday 2003 May 23 10:17
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Presentation of a URL

Hi Charles,

I have lost about 5 kilos searching where the problem is, I am not happy
but my wife is...haha... :-).

I cannot find it. My final solution worked. Delete the control from the
form and add a new one. Problem solved but I do not know why this is
happened.

Gr. marcel

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Wortz, Charles
Sent: vrijdag 23 mei 2003 16:45
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Presentation of a URL


Marcel,

Everything to the left of the http: should not be there.  You only want
the http://www.oop.nl part to display and be stored in your table.  You
will have to look through your form that displays it, your table that
stores it and the form that puts it into the table to see where that
extra stuff (very technical word <grin>) is coming from.

Charles Wortz
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Marcel Vreuls
Sent: Friday 2003 May 23 09:36
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Presentation of a URL

Hi group,

I store the website of companies in our CRM package. On the form the URL
is being displayed as www.oop.nl#http://www.oop.nl When clicking
this...oeps..no website. 

Any suggestions to adjust the display of this. The datatype of the field
in the database is Hyperlink.

Thank,

Marcel 

From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Fri May 23 10:36:12 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 11:36:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85C74@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Just to clarify, I'm just running a dev box with no public access or server but using IIS to hit local pages/databases. 

>>Or your public servers would be behind the firewall<<
By public server are you referring to any machine running a web server?  Or a truly public accessible web?

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco



-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 11:20 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses


The IIS "viruses" are specifically why I run Apache
for my web server.  There are viruses for it, but
they're ALOT less common.

Actually, a wireless LAN can be just as safe as a
wired one, if you take the time to do it properly.

Yes, the "software" firewalls that are commercially
available are much more problematic than they're
worth.  PLUS you have the added hassle of there still
being holes in the underlying OS that they're running
on.  Any firewall is only as secure as the OS that
runs it.  Whether it be Windows, Linux, BSD, OS/2,
whatever.  The "hardwires" and wireless routers that
have a built-in firewall are perfectly fine for MOST
people.  However, they do not support DMZs.  Therefore
they're not advisable to use to run your public
servers.  You'd be stuck with one of two choices. 
Your public servers would be outside the firewall and
extremely vulnerable to everything that came down the
pipe.  Or your public servers would be behind the
firewall, so you'd open up the holes for that possible
attack, as well as your LAN would be wide open to
anyone that can exploit the server itself once they're
one it.  Once they have an open access behind your
firewall, they own your LAN, just as if you didn't
have one.

--- John Frederick <j.frederick at att.net> wrote:
> 1.  Concerning the wireless vs. wired lan, I
> wouldn't expect wireless to be
> any safer.
> 2.  The IIS viruses are a different breed from the
> email viruses.  I assume
> I got my IIS ones from these programs that are
> constantly searching for web
> servers.  During the time I was on-line getting my
> email or browsing, I
> looked like a wide-open web server.
> 3.  A firewall doesn't have to be a big project. 
> I'm told that there are
> low cost lan routers that include a firewall
> function.  You connect the DSL
> modem through that function.  I can testify that the
> software firewalls on
> each machine interfere with many of the programs
> that otherwise operate
> across your lan.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:45 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> 
> 
> What about running it on another machine on my
> (wireless) network that's not
> directly connected to my DSL modem but has Internet
> access via that
> connection?  Is that any safer?
> 
> Jim DeMarco
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Tanner III
> [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:29 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> 
> 
> Personally, I wouldn't run ANY public accessable
> services on my LAN.  There is a MUCH safer way to do
> it, but it isn't super cheap.
> 
> I have a custom built firewall, which I run at home.
> The "public" side of it connects directly to my
> Internet connection, in this case a 1Mbit VDSL
> connection.  Then I have a "private" side, which
> connects to my LAN, and has my strict firewall
> rules.
> Only what I want gets in and out.  Lastly, I have a
> "DMZ".  This is where I place my publicly accessable
> machines.  It is still firewalled, but not as
> stringently as the LAN side, since the public needs
> to
> hit it.  Even in this DMZ I only let through the
> ports
> I absolutely need to.  Such as 80 & 443 for Web, 25
> &
> 110 for e-mail, etc.  My LAN is also firewalled from
> my DMZ in this configuration except for what's
> absolutely needed.
> 
> In this confugiration, unless I specifically open an
> e-mail with a virus attached, or something silly
> like
> that, I'm about as safe as one can get from "the big
> bad Internet".  The worst that can happen is that
> there is an exploit for one of my publicly
> accessable
> boxes and they get compromised.  My LAN is still
> safe.
> 
> As a side note, my firewall, web server, and e-mail
> server are all running Linix or FreeBSD.  This makes
> them less succeptable to all of the more common
> attacks that the "script kiddies" like to use. 
> About
> 80% of the attacks and defacements on publicly
> accessable servers are done by "script kiddies".  An
> added benifit is that IIS specific exploits have no
> affect other than to fill my logs, which archive and
> rotate off daily.
> 
> Is this a bit excessive, since I don't run a
> business
> out of my home?  Yeah, it is.  But there's no such
> thing as too much security.
> 
> --- John Frederick <j.frederick at att.net> wrote:
> > Yes, it is necessary.  When I started doing .asp
> on
> > the same machine I used
> > to dial-up to get email, I got, over some period
> of
> > time, about a dozen
> > different viruses, some of which propagated
> through
> > my lan to other
> > machines.  If you can't block the access from the
> > net to your machines, you
> > need to either use a firewall or disconnect the
> pws
> > machine from the lan.
> >
> > P.S.: If you put firewalls, such as Norton or
> McAfee
> > on your machines, you
> > can ask to be warned and have a change to say ok
> or
> > no when a program tries
> > to access another machine or the net.  You'll be
> > amazed about how many
> > Microsoft and other vendow programs do so for no
> > reason related to your
> > current operation in progress.  If you're not
> > already paranoid, that will
> > make you so.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 8:03 AM
> > To: AccessD (E-mail)
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> >
> >
> > List,
> >
> > A while back I got a DSL connection on my home
> > office PC which I
> > occasionally use for web development using
> Personal
> > Web Server (Win 9x/ME
> > version of IIS).  I was advised by our staff
> network
> > person NOT to run PWS
> > after the DSL was up because I'd be succeptable to
> > attacks and viruses.
> > Does anyone know if this is true?  I have not run
> > PWS in a couple of months
> > and have been using a disconnected laptop to write
> > ASP code but I'm
> > wondering if this is necessary.  Would I need to
> > install a firewall if I
> > want to run PWS?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jim DeMarco
> >
> >
> >
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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Fri May 23 10:37:38 2003
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 19:37:38 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] 
	OT: Writing raw RTF document using VB/VBA/C(++)/DELPHI/...
Message-ID: <002a01c32141$3f56a660$b501010a@DAISY.local>

Hi All,

Has anybody seen on the Internet any advanced code samples of writing raw
text of RTF documents with different formatting styles, headings, lists,
tables etc. using VB/VBA/C#/C(++)/ <literally any programming language> but
without usage of ActiveX controls, without  MS Word Automation etc. - i.e.
just plain raw code to write raw RTF like in P.S. of this message?
And maybe .PDF too? - or this latter is too much to have for free? - maybe
then good description of .PDF format in electronic form or printed as a
book? Any useful refs on that?

TIA for any info,
Shamil

P.S. Raw rtf sample

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From Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK  Fri May 23 10:12:17 2003
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK (Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK)
Date: 23 May 2003 16:12:17 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
Message-ID: <200305231512.QAA09652@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

Jim

You run a web server at hoem your always at risk of hacking attempts. Put 
up a secent firewall.

I have IIS running on a server here but its not connected to the web. Dosnt 
matter for dev work at all. I connect as and when I need to. Other than 
that I leave the server of the modems.



Martin


On May 23 2003, Jim DeMarco wrote:

> What about running it on another machine on my (wireless) network that's 
> not directly connected to my DSL modem but has Internet access via that 
> connection? Is that any safer?
> 
> Jim DeMarco
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:29 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> 
> 
> Personally, I wouldn't run ANY public accessable
> services on my LAN.  There is a MUCH safer way to do
> it, but it isn't super cheap.
> 
> I have a custom built firewall, which I run at home. 
> The "public" side of it connects directly to my
> Internet connection, in this case a 1Mbit VDSL
> connection.  Then I have a "private" side, which
> connects to my LAN, and has my strict firewall rules. 
> Only what I want gets in and out.  Lastly, I have a
> "DMZ".  This is where I place my publicly accessable
> machines.  It is still firewalled, but not as
> stringently as the LAN side, since the public needs to
> hit it.  Even in this DMZ I only let through the ports
> I absolutely need to.  Such as 80 & 443 for Web, 25 &
> 110 for e-mail, etc.  My LAN is also firewalled from
> my DMZ in this configuration except for what's
> absolutely needed.
> 
> In this confugiration, unless I specifically open an
> e-mail with a virus attached, or something silly like
> that, I'm about as safe as one can get from "the big
> bad Internet".  The worst that can happen is that
> there is an exploit for one of my publicly accessable
> boxes and they get compromised.  My LAN is still safe.
> 
> As a side note, my firewall, web server, and e-mail
> server are all running Linix or FreeBSD.  This makes
> them less succeptable to all of the more common
> attacks that the "script kiddies" like to use.  About
> 80% of the attacks and defacements on publicly
> accessable servers are done by "script kiddies".  An
> added benifit is that IIS specific exploits have no
> affect other than to fill my logs, which archive and
> rotate off daily.
> 
> Is this a bit excessive, since I don't run a business
> out of my home?  Yeah, it is.  But there's no such
> thing as too much security.
> 
> --- John Frederick <j.frederick at att.net> wrote:
> > Yes, it is necessary.  When I started doing .asp on
> > the same machine I used
> > to dial-up to get email, I got, over some period of
> > time, about a dozen
> > different viruses, some of which propagated through
> > my lan to other
> > machines.  If you can't block the access from the
> > net to your machines, you
> > need to either use a firewall or disconnect the pws
> > machine from the lan.
> > 
> > P.S.: If you put firewalls, such as Norton or McAfee
> > on your machines, you
> > can ask to be warned and have a change to say ok or
> > no when a program tries
> > to access another machine or the net.  You'll be
> > amazed about how many
> > Microsoft and other vendow programs do so for no
> > reason related to your
> > current operation in progress.  If you're not
> > already paranoid, that will
> > make you so.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 8:03 AM
> > To: AccessD (E-mail)
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> > 
> > 
> > List,
> > 
> > A while back I got a DSL connection on my home
> > office PC which I
> > occasionally use for web development using Personal
> > Web Server (Win 9x/ME
> > version of IIS).  I was advised by our staff network
> > person NOT to run PWS
> > after the DSL was up because I'd be succeptable to
> > attacks and viruses.
> > Does anyone know if this is true?  I have not run
> > PWS in a couple of months
> > and have been using a disconnected laptop to write
> > ASP code but I'm
> > wondering if this is necessary.  Would I need to
> > install a firewall if I
> > want to run PWS?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Jim DeMarco
> > 
> > 
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Fri May 23 10:44:06 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 11:44:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85C75@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Thanks Martin.  

>From what I'm gathering from this thread I should look into a hardware solution (that the fact that I'm running WinME on a P200 that's a relatively slow performer as is).  How costly might that be?

Jim DeMarco



-----Original Message-----
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
[mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK]
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 11:12 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses


Jim

You run a web server at hoem your always at risk of hacking attempts. Put up a secent firewall.

I have IIS running on a server here but its not connected to the web. Dosnt matter for dev work at all. I connect as and when I need to. Other than 
that I leave the server of the modems.



Martin


On May 23 2003, Jim DeMarco wrote:

> What about running it on another machine on my (wireless) network that's > not directly connected to my DSL modem but has Internet access via that > connection? Is that any safer?
> 
> Jim DeMarco
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:29 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> 
> 
> Personally, I wouldn't run ANY public accessable
> services on my LAN.  There is a MUCH safer way to do
> it, but it isn't super cheap.
> 
> I have a custom built firewall, which I run at home. 
> The "public" side of it connects directly to my
> Internet connection, in this case a 1Mbit VDSL
> connection.  Then I have a "private" side, which
> connects to my LAN, and has my strict firewall rules. 
> Only what I want gets in and out.  Lastly, I have a
> "DMZ".  This is where I place my publicly accessable
> machines.  It is still firewalled, but not as
> stringently as the LAN side, since the public needs to
> hit it.  Even in this DMZ I only let through the ports
> I absolutely need to.  Such as 80 & 443 for Web, 25 &
> 110 for e-mail, etc.  My LAN is also firewalled from
> my DMZ in this configuration except for what's
> absolutely needed.
> 
> In this confugiration, unless I specifically open an
> e-mail with a virus attached, or something silly like
> that, I'm about as safe as one can get from "the big
> bad Internet".  The worst that can happen is that
> there is an exploit for one of my publicly accessable
> boxes and they get compromised.  My LAN is still safe.
> 
> As a side note, my firewall, web server, and e-mail
> server are all running Linix or FreeBSD.  This makes
> them less succeptable to all of the more common
> attacks that the "script kiddies" like to use.  About
> 80% of the attacks and defacements on publicly
> accessable servers are done by "script kiddies".  An
> added benifit is that IIS specific exploits have no
> affect other than to fill my logs, which archive and
> rotate off daily.
> 
> Is this a bit excessive, since I don't run a business
> out of my home?  Yeah, it is.  But there's no such
> thing as too much security.
> 
> --- John Frederick <j.frederick at att.net> wrote:
> > Yes, it is necessary.  When I started doing .asp on
> > the same machine I used
> > to dial-up to get email, I got, over some period of
> > time, about a dozen
> > different viruses, some of which propagated through
> > my lan to other
> > machines.  If you can't block the access from the
> > net to your machines, you
> > need to either use a firewall or disconnect the pws
> > machine from the lan.
> > 
> > P.S.: If you put firewalls, such as Norton or McAfee
> > on your machines, you
> > can ask to be warned and have a change to say ok or
> > no when a program tries
> > to access another machine or the net.  You'll be
> > amazed about how many
> > Microsoft and other vendow programs do so for no
> > reason related to your
> > current operation in progress.  If you're not
> > already paranoid, that will
> > make you so.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 8:03 AM
> > To: AccessD (E-mail)
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> > 
> > 
> > List,
> > 
> > A while back I got a DSL connection on my home
> > office PC which I
> > occasionally use for web development using Personal
> > Web Server (Win 9x/ME
> > version of IIS).  I was advised by our staff network
> > person NOT to run PWS
> > after the DSL was up because I'd be succeptable to
> > attacks and viruses.
> > Does anyone know if this is true?  I have not run
> > PWS in a couple of months
> > and have been using a disconnected laptop to write
> > ASP code but I'm
> > wondering if this is necessary.  Would I need to
> > install a firewall if I
> > want to run PWS?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Jim DeMarco
> > 
> > 
> >
>  
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Fri May 23 10:47:24 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 08:47:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85C74@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <20030523154724.90880.qmail@web13402.mail.yahoo.com>

Any truely publicly accessable box.  I.E. Any machine
that is accessable from outside of your firewall, even
through port forwarding.

--- Jim DeMarco <Jdemarco at hshhp.org> wrote:
> Just to clarify, I'm just running a dev box with no
> public access or server but using IIS to hit local
> pages/databases. 
> 
> >>Or your public servers would be behind the
> firewall<<
> By public server are you referring to any machine
> running a web server?  Or a truly public accessible
> web?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jim DeMarco
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Tanner III
> [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 11:20 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> 
> 
> The IIS "viruses" are specifically why I run Apache
> for my web server.  There are viruses for it, but
> they're ALOT less common.
> 
> Actually, a wireless LAN can be just as safe as a
> wired one, if you take the time to do it properly.
> 
> Yes, the "software" firewalls that are commercially
> available are much more problematic than they're
> worth.  PLUS you have the added hassle of there
> still
> being holes in the underlying OS that they're
> running
> on.  Any firewall is only as secure as the OS that
> runs it.  Whether it be Windows, Linux, BSD, OS/2,
> whatever.  The "hardwires" and wireless routers that
> have a built-in firewall are perfectly fine for MOST
> people.  However, they do not support DMZs. 
> Therefore
> they're not advisable to use to run your public
> servers.  You'd be stuck with one of two choices. 
> Your public servers would be outside the firewall
> and
> extremely vulnerable to everything that came down
> the
> pipe.  Or your public servers would be behind the
> firewall, so you'd open up the holes for that
> possible
> attack, as well as your LAN would be wide open to
> anyone that can exploit the server itself once
> they're
> one it.  Once they have an open access behind your
> firewall, they own your LAN, just as if you didn't
> have one.
> 
> --- John Frederick <j.frederick at att.net> wrote:
> > 1.  Concerning the wireless vs. wired lan, I
> > wouldn't expect wireless to be
> > any safer.
> > 2.  The IIS viruses are a different breed from the
> > email viruses.  I assume
> > I got my IIS ones from these programs that are
> > constantly searching for web
> > servers.  During the time I was on-line getting my
> > email or browsing, I
> > looked like a wide-open web server.
> > 3.  A firewall doesn't have to be a big project. 
> > I'm told that there are
> > low cost lan routers that include a firewall
> > function.  You connect the DSL
> > modem through that function.  I can testify that
> the
> > software firewalls on
> > each machine interfere with many of the programs
> > that otherwise operate
> > across your lan.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:45 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> > 
> > 
> > What about running it on another machine on my
> > (wireless) network that's not
> > directly connected to my DSL modem but has
> Internet
> > access via that
> > connection?  Is that any safer?
> > 
> > Jim DeMarco
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Frank Tanner III
> > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:29 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> > 
> > 
> > Personally, I wouldn't run ANY public accessable
> > services on my LAN.  There is a MUCH safer way to
> do
> > it, but it isn't super cheap.
> > 
> > I have a custom built firewall, which I run at
> home.
> > The "public" side of it connects directly to my
> > Internet connection, in this case a 1Mbit VDSL
> > connection.  Then I have a "private" side, which
> > connects to my LAN, and has my strict firewall
> > rules.
> > Only what I want gets in and out.  Lastly, I have
> a
> > "DMZ".  This is where I place my publicly
> accessable
> > machines.  It is still firewalled, but not as
> > stringently as the LAN side, since the public
> needs
> > to
> > hit it.  Even in this DMZ I only let through the
> > ports
> > I absolutely need to.  Such as 80 & 443 for Web,
> 25
> > &
> > 110 for e-mail, etc.  My LAN is also firewalled
> from
> > my DMZ in this configuration except for what's
> > absolutely needed.
> > 
> > In this confugiration, unless I specifically open
> an
> > e-mail with a virus attached, or something silly
> > like
> > that, I'm about as safe as one can get from "the
> big
> > bad Internet".  The worst that can happen is that
> > there is an exploit for one of my publicly
> > accessable
> > boxes and they get compromised.  My LAN is still
> > safe.
> > 
> > As a side note, my firewall, web server, and
> e-mail
> > server are all running Linix or FreeBSD.  This
> makes
> > them less succeptable to all of the more common
> > attacks that the "script kiddies" like to use. 
> > About
> > 80% of the attacks and defacements on publicly
> > accessable servers are done by "script kiddies". 
> An
> > added benifit is that IIS specific exploits have
> no
> > affect other than to fill my logs, which archive
> and
> > rotate off daily.
> > 
> > Is this a bit excessive, since I don't run a
> > business
> > out of my home?  Yeah, it is.  But there's no such
> > thing as too much security.
> > 
> > --- John Frederick <j.frederick at att.net> wrote:
> > > Yes, it is necessary.  When I started doing .asp
> > on
> > > the same machine I used
> > > to dial-up to get email, I got, over some period
> > of
> > > time, about a dozen
> > > different viruses, some of which propagated
> > through
> > > my lan to other
> > > machines.  If you can't block the access from
> the
> > > net to your machines, you
> > > need to either use a firewall or disconnect the
> > pws
> > > machine from the lan.
> > >
> > > P.S.: If you put firewalls, such as Norton or
> > McAfee
> > > on your machines, you
> > > can ask to be warned and have a change to say ok
> > or
> > > no when a program tries
> > > to access another machine or the net.  You'll be
> > > amazed about how many
> > > Microsoft and other vendow programs do so for no
> > > reason related to your
> > > current operation in progress.  If you're not
> > > already paranoid, that will
> > > make you so.
> 
=== message truncated ===


From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Fri May 23 10:48:06 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 10:48:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C9A@main2.marlow.com>

Boy, that is a good question.  I am not sure myself, but I always thought
that the PWS was only usable on the local machine.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 7:03 AM
To: AccessD (E-mail)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses


List,

A while back I got a DSL connection on my home office PC which I
occasionally use for web development using Personal Web Server (Win 9x/ME
version of IIS).  I was advised by our staff network person NOT to run PWS
after the DSL was up because I'd be succeptable to attacks and viruses.
Does anyone know if this is true?  I have not run PWS in a couple of months
and have been using a disconnected laptop to write ASP code but I'm
wondering if this is necessary.  Would I need to install a firewall if I
want to run PWS?

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Fri May 23 10:54:09 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 08:54:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85C75@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <20030523155409.13582.qmail@web13405.mail.yahoo.com>

Depends.

If you go the "firewall appliance" route, such as
SinocWall, you're looking at close to a thousand bucks
(the last time I checked).  If you go the "I'm taking
a PC, putting multiple network cards in it and making
a firewall out of it." you can get away for free if
you have the hardware readily available.

My firewall is a P3-700 PC with 256MB of RAM, an 8GB
hard drive and 4 network cards.  Hardware-wise this
firewall is way overkill for what I need, .  I
wouldn't recommend anything less than a P2-333 for a
firewall though if you have a DSL or cablemodem based
Internet connection.  For an OS it's running a
hardened minimilistic flavor of Red Hat Linux 8.0. 
I'm running the built-in IPTables firewall for all of
my firewalling needs.  That makes the OS and firewall
free too.

--- Jim DeMarco <Jdemarco at hshhp.org> wrote:
> Thanks Martin.  
> 
> >From what I'm gathering from this thread I should
> look into a hardware solution (that the fact that
> I'm running WinME on a P200 that's a relatively slow
> performer as is).  How costly might that be?
> 
> Jim DeMarco
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
> [mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK]
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 11:12 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> 
> 
> Jim
> 
> You run a web server at hoem your always at risk of
> hacking attempts. Put up a secent firewall.
> 
> I have IIS running on a server here but its not
> connected to the web. Dosnt matter for dev work at
> all. I connect as and when I need to. Other than 
> that I leave the server of the modems.
> 
> 
> 
> Martin
> 
> 
> On May 23 2003, Jim DeMarco wrote:
> 
> > What about running it on another machine on my
> (wireless) network that's > not directly connected
> to my DSL modem but has Internet access via that >
> connection? Is that any safer?
> > 
> > Jim DeMarco
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Frank Tanner III
> [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:29 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> > 
> > 
> > Personally, I wouldn't run ANY public accessable
> > services on my LAN.  There is a MUCH safer way to
> do
> > it, but it isn't super cheap.
> > 
> > I have a custom built firewall, which I run at
> home. 
> > The "public" side of it connects directly to my
> > Internet connection, in this case a 1Mbit VDSL
> > connection.  Then I have a "private" side, which
> > connects to my LAN, and has my strict firewall
> rules. 
> > Only what I want gets in and out.  Lastly, I have
> a
> > "DMZ".  This is where I place my publicly
> accessable
> > machines.  It is still firewalled, but not as
> > stringently as the LAN side, since the public
> needs to
> > hit it.  Even in this DMZ I only let through the
> ports
> > I absolutely need to.  Such as 80 & 443 for Web,
> 25 &
> > 110 for e-mail, etc.  My LAN is also firewalled
> from
> > my DMZ in this configuration except for what's
> > absolutely needed.
> > 
> > In this confugiration, unless I specifically open
> an
> > e-mail with a virus attached, or something silly
> like
> > that, I'm about as safe as one can get from "the
> big
> > bad Internet".  The worst that can happen is that
> > there is an exploit for one of my publicly
> accessable
> > boxes and they get compromised.  My LAN is still
> safe.
> > 
> > As a side note, my firewall, web server, and
> e-mail
> > server are all running Linix or FreeBSD.  This
> makes
> > them less succeptable to all of the more common
> > attacks that the "script kiddies" like to use. 
> About
> > 80% of the attacks and defacements on publicly
> > accessable servers are done by "script kiddies". 
> An
> > added benifit is that IIS specific exploits have
> no
> > affect other than to fill my logs, which archive
> and
> > rotate off daily.
> > 
> > Is this a bit excessive, since I don't run a
> business
> > out of my home?  Yeah, it is.  But there's no such
> > thing as too much security.
> > 
> > --- John Frederick <j.frederick at att.net> wrote:
> > > Yes, it is necessary.  When I started doing .asp
> on
> > > the same machine I used
> > > to dial-up to get email, I got, over some period
> of
> > > time, about a dozen
> > > different viruses, some of which propagated
> through
> > > my lan to other
> > > machines.  If you can't block the access from
> the
> > > net to your machines, you
> > > need to either use a firewall or disconnect the
> pws
> > > machine from the lan.
> > > 
> > > P.S.: If you put firewalls, such as Norton or
> McAfee
> > > on your machines, you
> > > can ask to be warned and have a change to say ok
> or
> > > no when a program tries
> > > to access another machine or the net.  You'll be
> > > amazed about how many
> > > Microsoft and other vendow programs do so for no
> > > reason related to your
> > > current operation in progress.  If you're not
> > > already paranoid, that will
> > > make you so.
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> > > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 8:03 AM
> > > To: AccessD (E-mail)
> > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> > > 
> > > 
> > > List,
> > > 
> > > A while back I got a DSL connection on my home
> > > office PC which I
> > > occasionally use for web development using
> Personal
> > > Web Server (Win 9x/ME
> > > version of IIS).  I was advised by our staff
> network
> > > person NOT to run PWS
> > > after the DSL was up because I'd be succeptable
> to
> > > attacks and viruses.
> > > Does anyone know if this is true?  I have not
> run
> > > PWS in a couple of months
> > > and have been using a disconnected laptop to
> write
> > > ASP code but I'm
> > > wondering if this is necessary.  Would I need to
> > > install a firewall if I
> > > want to run PWS?
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > 
> > > Jim DeMarco
> > > 
> > > 
> > >
> >  
> >  
> >
>
****************************************************************************
> > > *******
> > > "This electronic message is intended to be for
> the
> > > use only of the named
> > > recipient, and may contain information from
> Hudson
> > > Health Plan (HHP) that is
> > > confidential or privileged.  If you are not the
> > > intended recipient, you are
> > > hereby notified that any disclosure, copying,
> > > distribution or use of the
> > > contents of this message is strictly prohibited.
>  If
> > > you have received this
> > > message in error or are not the named recipient,
> 
=== message truncated ===


From delliker at hotmail.com  Fri May 23 10:54:05 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 11:54:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
Message-ID: <Law12-F11sTmWutxfAM0000e97d@hotmail.com>

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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Fri May 23 10:55:37 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 08:55:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF801D82C9A@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <20030523155537.19079.qmail@web13404.mail.yahoo.com>

PWS is a "cut down" version of IIS.  It has similar
functionality.  It *IS* hittable from outside of the
local box.  Meaning, that it is not a local only web
server.  You CAN connect to it from other machines,
just like IIS.

--- Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> Boy, that is a good question.  I am not sure myself,
> but I always thought
> that the PWS was only usable on the local machine.
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org]
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 7:03 AM
> To: AccessD (E-mail)
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> 
> 
> List,
> 
> A while back I got a DSL connection on my home
> office PC which I
> occasionally use for web development using Personal
> Web Server (Win 9x/ME
> version of IIS).  I was advised by our staff network
> person NOT to run PWS
> after the DSL was up because I'd be succeptable to
> attacks and viruses.
> Does anyone know if this is true?  I have not run
> PWS in a couple of months
> and have been using a disconnected laptop to write
> ASP code but I'm
> wondering if this is necessary.  Would I need to
> install a firewall if I
> want to run PWS?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jim DeMarco
> 
> 
>
****************************************************************************
> *******
> "This electronic message is intended to be for the
> use only of the named
> recipient, and may contain information from Hudson
> Health Plan (HHP) that is
> confidential or privileged.  If you are not the
> intended recipient, you are
> hereby notified that any disclosure, copying,
> distribution or use of the
> contents of this message is strictly prohibited.  If
> you have received this
> message in error or are not the named recipient,
> please notify us
> immediately, either by contacting the sender at the
> electronic mail address
> noted above or calling HHP at (914) 631-1611. If you
> are not the intended
> recipient, please do not forward this email to
> anyone, and delete and
> destroy all copies of this message.  Thank You".
>
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From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca  Fri May 23 10:56:41 2003
From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 11:56:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Writing raw RTF document using
	VB/VBA/C(++)/DELPHI/...
Message-ID: <sece0c86.073@cbc.ca>

Shamil,

RTF Files are just plain old ascii text. So Low level File I/O will work to write it.

The biggest challenge would be to get the text string correct before writing them out to the file.

Here is a link to the RTF spec.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/?url=/library/en-us/dnrtfspec/html/rtfspec.asp?frame=true

As for PDF, here is the link to the PDF Specs.

http://partners.adobe.com/asn/acrobat/docs.jsp#filefmtspecs

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

>>> shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru 23-May-03 11:37:38 AM >>>
Hi All,

Has anybody seen on the Internet any advanced code samples of writing raw
text of RTF documents with different formatting styles, headings, lists,
tables etc. using VB/VBA/C#/C(++)/ <literally any programming language> but
without usage of ActiveX controls, without  MS Word Automation etc. - i.e.
just plain raw code to write raw RTF like in P.S. of this message?
And maybe .PDF too? - or this latter is too much to have for free? - maybe
then good description of .PDF format in electronic form or printed as a
book? Any useful refs on that?

TIA for any info,
Shamil

P.S. Raw rtf sample

{\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252\uc1
\deff0\deflang1033\deflangfe1033{\fonttbl{\f0\froman\fcharset204\fprq2{\*\pa
nose 02020603050405020304}Times New
Roman;}{\f1\fswiss\fcharset204\fprq2{\*\panose 020b0604020202020204}Arial;}
{\f2\fmodern\fcharset204\fprq1{\*\panose 02070309020205020404}Courier
New;}{\f3\froman\fcharset2\fprq2{\*\panose
05050102010706020507}Symbol;}{\f14\fnil\fcharset2\fprq2{\*\panose
05000000000000000000}Wingdings;}
{\f30\froman\fcharset0\fprq2 Times New Roman;}{\f28\froman\fcharset238\fprq2
Times New Roman CE;}{\f31\froman\fcharset161\fprq2 Times New Roman
Greek;}{\f32\froman\fcharset162\fprq2 Times New Roman Tur;}
{\f33\froman\fcharset177\fprq2 Times New Roman
(Hebrew);}{\f34\froman\fcharset178\fprq2 Times New Roman
(Arabic);}{\f35\froman\fcharset186\fprq2 Times New Roman
Baltic;}{\f38\fswiss\fcharset0\fprq2 Arial;}{\f36\fswiss\fcharset238\fprq2
Arial CE;}
{\f39\fswiss\fcharset161\fprq2 Arial Greek;}{\f40\fswiss\fcharset162\fprq2
Arial Tur;}{\f41\fswiss\fcharset177\fprq2 Arial
(Hebrew);}{\f42\fswiss\fcharset178\fprq2 Arial
(Arabic);}{\f43\fswiss\fcharset186\fprq2 Arial Baltic;}
{\f46\fmodern\fcharset0\fprq1 Courier New;}{\f44\fmodern\fcharset238\fprq1
Courier New CE;}{\f47\fmodern\fcharset161\fprq1 Courier New
Greek;}{\f48\fmodern\fcharset162\fprq1 Courier New
Tur;}{\f49\fmodern\fcharset177\fprq1 Courier New (Hebrew);}
{\f50\fmodern\fcharset178\fprq1 Courier New
(Arabic);}{\f51\fmodern\fcharset186\fprq1 Courier New
Baltic;}}{\colortbl;\red0\green0\blue0;\red0\green0\blue255;\red0\green255\b
lue255;\red0\green255\blue0;\red255\green0\blue255;\red255\green0\blue0;
\red255\green255\blue0;\red255\green255\blue255;\red0\green0\blue128;\red0\g
reen128\blue128;\red0\green128\blue0;\red128\green0\blue128;\red128\green0\b
lue0;\red128\green128\blue0;\red128\green128\blue128;\red192\green192\blue19
2;}{\stylesheet{
\ql \li0\ri0\widctlpar\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\lin0\itap0
\fs24\lang1033\langfe1033\cgrid\langnp1033\langfenp1033 \snext0
Normal;}{\s3\ql
\li0\ri0\sb240\sa60\keepn\widctlpar\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\adjustright\rin0\
lin0\itap0
\b\f1\fs26\lang1033\langfe1033\cgrid\langnp1033\langfenp1033 \sbasedon0
\snext0 heading 3;}{\*\cs10 \additive Default Paragraph
Font;}}{\*\listtable{\list\listtemplateid-1472272512\listhybrid{\listlevel\l
evelnfc23\levelnfcn23\leveljc0\leveljcn0
\levelfollow0\levelstartat1\levelspace360\levelindent0{\leveltext\leveltempl
ateid67698695\'01\u-3983
?;}{\levelnumbers;}\f14\fs16\chbrdr\brdrnone\brdrcf1
\chshdng0\chcfpat1\chcbpat1\fbias0
\fi-360\li720\jclisttab\tx720 }{\listlevel\levelnfc23\levelnfcn23
\leveljc0\leveljcn0\levelfollow0\levelstartat1\levelspace360\levelindent0{\l
eveltext\leveltemplateid67698691\'01o;}{\levelnumbers;}\f2\chbrdr\brdrnone\b
rdrcf1 \chshdng0\chcfpat1\chcbpat1\fbias0
\fi-360\li1440\jclisttab\tx1440 }{\listlevel\levelnfc23
\levelnfcn23\leveljc0\leveljcn0\levelfollow0\levelstartat1\levelspace360\lev
elindent0{\leveltext\leveltemplateid67698693\'01\u-3929
?;}{\levelnumbers;}\f14\chbrdr\brdrnone\brdrcf1
\chshdng0\chcfpat1\chcbpat1\fbias0 \fi-360\li2160\jclisttab\tx2160 }
{\listlevel\levelnfc23\levelnfcn23\leveljc0\leveljcn0\levelfollow0\levelstar
tat1\levelspace360\levelindent0{\leveltext\leveltemplateid67698689\'01\u-391
3 ?;}{\levelnumbers;}\f3\chbrdr\brdrnone\brdrcf1
\chshdng0\chcfpat1\chcbpat1\fbias0 \fi-360\li2880
\jclisttab\tx2880 }{\listlevel\levelnfc23\levelnfcn23\leveljc0\leveljcn0\lev
elfollow0\levelstartat1\levelspace360\levelindent0{\leveltext\leveltemplatei
d67698691\'01o;}{\levelnumbers;}\f2\chbrdr\brdrnone\brdrcf1
\chshdng0\chcfpat1\chcbpat1\fbias0
\fi-360\li3600\jclisttab\tx3600 }{\listlevel\levelnfc23\levelnfcn23\leveljc0
\leveljcn0\levelfollow0\levelstartat1\levelspace360\levelindent0{\leveltext\
leveltemplateid67698693\'01\u-3929
?;}{\levelnumbers;}\f14\chbrdr\brdrnone\brdrcf1
\chshdng0\chcfpat1\chcbpat1\fbias0
\fi-360\li4320\jclisttab\tx4320 }{\listlevel\levelnfc23\levelnfcn23\leveljc0
\leveljcn0\levelfollow0\levelstartat1\levelspace360\levelindent0{\leveltext\
leveltemplateid67698689\'01\u-3913 ?;}{\levelnumbers;}\f3\chbrdr
\brdrnone\brdrcf1 \chshdng0\chcfpat1\chcbpat1\fbias0
\fi-360\li5040\jclisttab\tx5040 }{\listlevel\levelnfc23\levelnfcn23\leveljc0
\leveljcn0\levelfollow0\levelstartat1\levelspace360\levelindent0{\leveltext\
leveltemplateid67698691\'01o;}{\levelnumbers;}\f2
\chbrdr\brdrnone\brdrcf1 \chshdng0\chcfpat1\chcbpat1\fbias0
\fi-360\li5760\jclisttab\tx5760 }{\listlevel\levelnfc23\levelnfcn23\leveljc0
\leveljcn0\levelfollow0\levelstartat1\levelspace360\levelindent0{\leveltext\
leveltemplateid67698693
\'01\u-3929 ?;}{\levelnumbers;}\f14\chbrdr\brdrnone\brdrcf1
\chshdng0\chcfpat1\chcbpat1\fbias0
\fi-360\li6480\jclisttab\tx6480 }{\listname
;}\listid2140488109}}{\*\listoverridetable{\listoverride\listid2140488109\li
stoverridecount0\ls1}}{\info
{\title This is a header}{\author Shamil Salakhetdinov}{\operator Shamil
Salakhetdinov}{\creatim\yr2003\mo5\dy23\hr19\min30}{\revtim\yr2003\mo5\dy23\
hr19\min31}{\version1}{\edmins1}{\nofpages1}{\nofwords0}{\nofchars0}{\*\comp
any SMS Consulting Ltd.}
{\nofcharsws0}{\vern8269}}\margl1701\margr850\margt1134\margb1134
\widowctrl\ftnbj\aenddoc\noxlattoyen\expshrtn\noultrlspc\dntblnsbdb\nospacef
orul\formshade\horzdoc\dgmargin\dghspace180\dgvspace180\dghorigin1701\dgvori
gin1134\dghshow1\dgvshow1
\jexpand\viewkind1\viewscale130\pgbrdrhead\pgbrdrfoot\splytwnine\ftnlytwnine
\htmautsp\nolnhtadjtbl\useltbaln\alntblind\lytcalctblwd\lyttblrtgr\lnbrkrule
\fet0\sectd
\linex0\headery708\footery708\colsx708\endnhere\sectlinegrid360\sectdefaultc
l
{\*\pnseclvl1\pnucrm\pnstart1\pnindent720\pnhang{\pntxta
.}}{\*\pnseclvl2\pnucltr\pnstart1\pnindent720\pnhang{\pntxta
.}}{\*\pnseclvl3\pndec\pnstart1\pnindent720\pnhang{\pntxta
.}}{\*\pnseclvl4\pnlcltr\pnstart1\pnindent720\pnhang{\pntxta )}}{\*\pnseclvl
5
\pndec\pnstart1\pnindent720\pnhang{\pntxtb
(}{\pntxta )}}{\*\pnseclvl6\pnlcltr\pnstart1\pnindent720\pnhang{\pntxtb
(}{\pntxta )}}{\*\pnseclvl7\pnlcrm\pnstart1\pnindent720\pnhang{\pntxtb
(}{\pntxta )}}{\*\pnseclvl8\pnlcltr\pnstart1\pnindent720\pnhang
{\pntxtb
(}{\pntxta )}}{\*\pnseclvl9\pnlcrm\pnstart1\pnindent720\pnhang{\pntxtb
(}{\pntxta )}}\pard\plain \s3\ql
\li0\ri0\sb240\sa60\keepn\widctlpar\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\outlinelevel2\adj
ustright\rin0\lin0\itap0
\b\f1\fs26\lang1033\langfe1033\cgrid\langnp1033\langfenp1033 {This is a
header
\par {\listtext\pard\plain\f14\fs16 \loch\af14\dbch\af0\hich\f14
\'71\tab}}\pard\plain \ql
\fi-360\li720\ri0\widctlpar\jclisttab\tx720\aspalpha\aspnum\faauto\ls1\adjus
tright\rin0\lin720\itap0
\fs24\lang1033\langfe1033\cgrid\langnp1033\langfenp1033 {list line1

\par {\listtext\pard\plain\f14\fs16 \loch\af14\dbch\af0\hich\f14
\'71\tab}list line2
\par {\listtext\pard\plain\f14\fs16 \loch\af14\dbch\af0\hich\f14
\'71\tab}etc\'85
\par }}

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Web: http://www.smsconsulting.spb.ru/shamil_s 


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From john at winhaven.net  Fri May 23 11:16:35 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 11:16:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 OutputTo HTML Formatting
In-Reply-To: <Law12-F76LhG4YalgQk0000e914@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIAELDEHAA.john@winhaven.net>

Yes, but with a decent installation program you can install the viewer with
every installation no problem. SageKey scripts have it included by default.
All you need to do is uncomment the script lines that do the job. Very easy.

JB
  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Don Elliker
  Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 10:28 AM
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Acc97 OutputTo HTML Formatting


  There is one issue with Snapshot and that is: If the client does not have
the snapshot viewer and they do not have Admin rights on their machine
(corporate users/machines often don't) it can become a problem getting it
loaded. Since it's Friday, I recomend getting yourself loaded instead - but
make sure you have the designated driver in your machine.Cheers!

  _D

  "Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them."
  >From: "Ron Allen"
  >Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  >To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  >Subject: Re: [AccessD] Acc97 OutputTo HTML Formatting
  >Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 11:21:40 -0400
  >
  >Charlotte,
  >
  >That is a great idea that I hadn't considered. Thank you. I have a
  >meeting about this in about an hour, I'll check this out as an
  >alternative to present.
  >
  >Ron
  >
  >
  >On Fri, 23 May 2003 08:10:44 -0700
  > "Charlotte Foust" wrote:
  >>You might consider outputting to the snapshot format instead. It
  >>will
  >>capture all the graphics and layout like HTML (and unlike rtf) and
  >>all
  >>they need is the downloadable viewer to view and print the report.
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From mitsules_ms at nns.com  Fri May 23 11:35:17 2003
From: mitsules_ms at nns.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 12:35:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD]  OT: Writing raw RTF document using VB/VBA/C(++)/DE
	LPHI/...
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E2940F@nnse14.nns.com>

Shamil,

I cannot let this go by without saying "wow".  ...this list is very humbling
at times.  But, upon a second look, I suppose your situation would be
similar to someone who writes .asp code to generate an .htm formatted page.



Best of luck in your search,

Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru] 
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 11:38 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Writing raw RTF document using
VB/VBA/C(++)/DELPHI/...


Hi All,

Has anybody seen on the Internet any advanced code samples of writing raw
text of RTF documents with different formatting styles, headings, lists,
tables etc. using VB/VBA/C#/C(++)/ <literally any programming language> but
without usage of ActiveX controls, without  MS Word Automation etc. - i.e.
just plain raw code to write raw RTF like in P.S. of this message? And maybe
.PDF too? - or this latter is too much to have for free? - maybe then good
description of .PDF format in electronic form or printed as a book? Any
useful refs on that?

TIA for any info,
Shamil

<snipped>

From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Fri May 23 11:48:37 2003
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 20:48:37 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Writing raw RTF document
	usingVB/VBA/C(++)/DELPHI/...
References: <sece0c86.073@cbc.ca>
Message-ID: <000c01c3214b$291435c0$b501010a@DAISY.local>

Thanks Bryan,

This is what I needed.

> RTF Files are just plain old ascii text.
> So Low level File I/O will work to write it.
Yes, that's clear - I wanted to see some advanced code to prepare RTF files'
raw contents - and the RTF spec you referred to seems to have more than
enough info including samples...

THNX a lot!
Shamil

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Writing raw RTF document
usingVB/VBA/C(++)/DELPHI/...


> Shamil,
>
> RTF Files are just plain old ascii text. So Low level File I/O will work
to write it.
>
> The biggest challenge would be to get the text string correct before
writing them out to the file.
>
> Here is a link to the RTF spec.
>
>
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/?url=/library/en-us/dnrtfspec/html/rtfspec
.asp?frame=true
>
> As for PDF, here is the link to the PDF Specs.
>
> http://partners.adobe.com/asn/acrobat/docs.jsp#filefmtspecs
>
> Bryan Carbonnell
> bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca
>
> >>> shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru 23-May-03 11:37:38 AM >>>
> Hi All,
>
> Has anybody seen on the Internet any advanced code samples of writing raw
> text of RTF documents with different formatting styles, headings, lists,
> tables etc. using VB/VBA/C#/C(++)/ <literally any programming language>
but
> without usage of ActiveX controls, without  MS Word Automation etc. - i.e.
> just plain raw code to write raw RTF like in P.S. of this message?
> And maybe .PDF too? - or this latter is too much to have for free? - maybe
> then good description of .PDF format in electronic form or printed as a
> book? Any useful refs on that?
>
> TIA for any info,
> Shamil
>
> P.S. Raw rtf sample
>
> {\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252\uc1
>
\deff0\deflang1033\deflangfe1033{\fonttbl{\f0\froman\fcharset204\fprq2{\*\pa
> nose 02020603050405020304}Times New
> Roman;}{\f1\fswiss\fcharset204\fprq2{\*\panose
020b0604020202020204}Arial;}
> {\f2\fmodern\fcharset204\fprq1{\*\panose 02070309020205020404}Courier
> New;}{\f3\froman\fcharset2\fprq2{\*\panose
> 05050102010706020507}Symbol;}{\f14\fnil\fcharset2\fprq2{\*\panose
> 05000000000000000000}Wingdings;}
> {\f30\froman\fcharset0\fprq2 Times New
Roman;}{\f28\froman\fcharset238\fprq2
> Times New Roman CE;}{\f31\froman\fcharset161\fprq2 Times New Roman
> Greek;}{\f32\froman\fcharset162\fprq2 Times New Roman Tur;}
> {\f33\froman\fcharset177\fprq2 Times New Roman
> (Hebrew);}{\f34\froman\fcharset178\fprq2 Times New Roman
> (Arabic);}{\f35\froman\fcharset186\fprq2 Times New Roman
> Baltic;}{\f38\fswiss\fcharset0\fprq2 Arial;}{\f36\fswiss\fcharset238\fprq2
> Arial CE;}
> {\f39\fswiss\fcharset161\fprq2 Arial Greek;}{\f40\fswiss\fcharset162\fprq2
> Arial Tur;}{\f41\fswiss\fcharset177\fprq2 Arial
> (Hebrew);}{\f42\fswiss\fcharset178\fprq2 Arial
> (Arabic);}{\f43\fswiss\fcharset186\fprq2 Arial Baltic;}
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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Fri May 23 11:56:31 2003
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 20:56:31 +0400
Subject: [AccessD]  OT: Writing raw RTF document using
	VB/VBA/C(++)/DELPHI/...
References: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E2940F@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <001601c3214c$4397f890$b501010a@DAISY.local>

> I cannot let this go by without saying "wow".
Mark,

I just need to know how .rtf file is organized + define dozen of raw RTF
blocks to use as templates - nothing more - so, yes - this is a kind of
"wow" in lowercase task not "WOW" in uppercase - and without any "wow"s - is
using Word Automation for that task - just kidding :)

> Best of luck in your search,
THNX! - and I think that Bryan gave me very good link on RTF spec and
samples
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/?url=/library/en-us/dnrtfspec/html/rtfspec
.asp?frame=true

Shamil

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mitsules, Mark" <mitsules_ms at nns.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 8:35 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: Writing raw RTF document using
VB/VBA/C(++)/DELPHI/...


> Shamil,
>
> I cannot let this go by without saying "wow".  ...this list is very
humbling
> at times.  But, upon a second look, I suppose your situation would be
> similar to someone who writes .asp code to generate an .htm formatted
page.
>
>
>
> Best of luck in your search,
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru]
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 11:38 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Writing raw RTF document using
> VB/VBA/C(++)/DELPHI/...
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> Has anybody seen on the Internet any advanced code samples of writing raw
> text of RTF documents with different formatting styles, headings, lists,
> tables etc. using VB/VBA/C#/C(++)/ <literally any programming language>
but
> without usage of ActiveX controls, without  MS Word Automation etc. - i.e.
> just plain raw code to write raw RTF like in P.S. of this message? And
maybe
> .PDF too? - or this latter is too much to have for free? - maybe then good
> description of .PDF format in electronic form or printed as a book? Any
> useful refs on that?
>
> TIA for any info,
> Shamil
>
> <snipped>
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri May 23 12:17:10 2003
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 18:17:10 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Presentation of a URL
In-Reply-To: <001401c3213e$5dad6700$c100a8c0@OOPMBO>
Message-ID: <001701c3214f$254333c0$b274d0d5@andypc>

Hi Marcel
How do the URL's get in there? Keyed in or grabbed by the program?
Reason I ask is that I've seen this behaviour too, and never worked out
why. I was using code to grab the URL out of the current IE window so
wondered if it might have been that.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] 
> Sent: 23 May 2003 16:17
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Presentation of a URL
> 
> 
> Hi Charles,
> 
> I have lost about 5 kilos searching where the problem is, I 
> am not happy but my wife is...haha... :-).
> 
> I cannot find it. My final solution worked. Delete the 
> control from the form and add a new one. Problem solved but I 
> do not know why this is happened.
> 
> Gr. marcel
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of 
> Wortz, Charles
> Sent: vrijdag 23 mei 2003 16:45
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Presentation of a URL
> 
> 
> Marcel,
> 
> Everything to the left of the http: should not be there.  You 
> only want the http://www.oop.nl part to > display and be stored 
> in your table.  You will have to look through your form that 
> displays it, your table that stores it and the form that puts 
> it into the table to see where that extra stuff (very 
> technical word <grin>) is coming from.
> 
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Marcel Vreuls
> Sent: Friday 2003 May 23 09:36
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Presentation of a URL
> 
> Hi group,
> 
> I store the website of companies in our CRM package. On the 
> form the URL is being displayed as 
> www.oop.nl#http://www.oop.nl When clicking > this...oeps..no website. 
> 
> Any suggestions to adjust the display of this. The datatype 
> of the field in the database is Hyperlink.
> 
> Thank,
> 
> Marcel 
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From mitsules_ms at nns.com  Fri May 23 12:32:11 2003
From: mitsules_ms at nns.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 13:32:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Writing raw RTF document using VB/VBA/C(++)/DEL
	PHI/...
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29410@nnse14.nns.com>

Shamil,

Bryan's link points to v1.6 of the RTF spec.  But, if you're interested, I
was poking around and found a download link (watch for wrap) for v1.7.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=E5B8EBC2-6AD6-49F0-
8C90-E4F763E3F04F&displaylang=en



Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Carbonnell [mailto:Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca] 
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 11:57 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Writing raw RTF document using
VB/VBA/C(++)/DELPHI/...


Shamil,

RTF Files are just plain old ascii text. So Low level File I/O will work to
write it.

The biggest challenge would be to get the text string correct before writing
them out to the file.

Here is a link to the RTF spec.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/?url=/library/en-us/dnrtfspec/html/rtfspec
.asp?frame=true

As for PDF, here is the link to the PDF Specs.

http://partners.adobe.com/asn/acrobat/docs.jsp#filefmtspecs

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

>>> shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru 23-May-03 11:37:38 AM >>>
Hi All,

Has anybody seen on the Internet any advanced code samples of writing raw
text of RTF documents with different formatting styles, headings, lists,
tables etc. using VB/VBA/C#/C(++)/ <literally any programming language> but
without usage of ActiveX controls, without  MS Word Automation etc. - i.e.
just plain raw code to write raw RTF like in P.S. of this message? And maybe
.PDF too? - or this latter is too much to have for free? - maybe then good
description of .PDF format in electronic form or printed as a book? Any
useful refs on that?

TIA for any info,
Shamil

<snipped>

From Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK  Fri May 23 12:44:32 2003
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK (Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK)
Date: 23 May 2003 18:44:32 +0100
Subject: [AccessD]  OT: Writing raw RTF document using VB/VBA/C(++)/DE
	LPHI/...
Message-ID: <200305231744.SAA11517@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

Shamil

I am emailing the address of one of our programmers who has worked in this 
sort of area. He may or may not be able to help you out,

Martin

On May 23 2003, Mitsules, Mark wrote:

> Shamil,
> 
> I cannot let this go by without saying "wow". ...this list is very 
> humbling at times. But, upon a second look, I suppose your situation 
> would be similar to someone who writes .asp code to generate an .htm 
> formatted page.
> 
> 
> 
> Best of luck in your search,
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru] 
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 11:38 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Writing raw RTF document using
> VB/VBA/C(++)/DELPHI/...
> 
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Has anybody seen on the Internet any advanced code samples of writing 
> raw text of RTF documents with different formatting styles, headings, 
> lists, tables etc. using VB/VBA/C#/C(++)/ <literally any programming 
> language> but without usage of ActiveX controls, without MS Word 
> Automation etc. - i.e. just plain raw code to write raw RTF like in P.S. 
> of this message? And maybe .PDF too? - or this latter is too much to have 
> for free? - maybe then good description of .PDF format in electronic form 
> or printed as a book? Any useful refs on that?
> 
> TIA for any info,
> Shamil
> 
> <snipped>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 

From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri May 23 13:03:44 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 11:03:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD]  OT: Writing raw RTF document using VB/VBA/C(++)/DE
 LPHI/...
References: <200305231744.SAA11517@hosea.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <3ECE6280.2020401@shaw.ca>

You might also poke around Stephan Lebans site as he has written a few 
RTF controls in C++
http://www.lebans.com
He also has some notes on what MS  version of Riched20.dll,  
Msftedit.dll etc. is installed with each OS


Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK wrote:

> Shamil
>
> I am emailing the address of one of our programmers who has worked in 
> this sort of area. He may or may not be able to help you out,
>
> Martin
>
> On May 23 2003, Mitsules, Mark wrote:
>
>> Shamil,
>>
>> I cannot let this go by without saying "wow". ...this list is very 
>> humbling at times. But, upon a second look, I suppose your situation 
>> would be similar to someone who writes .asp code to generate an .htm 
>> formatted page.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best of luck in your search,
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru] Sent: 
>> Friday, May 23, 2003 11:38 AM
>> To: AccessD
>> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Writing raw RTF document using
>> VB/VBA/C(++)/DELPHI/...
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Has anybody seen on the Internet any advanced code samples of writing 
>> raw text of RTF documents with different formatting styles, headings, 
>> lists, tables etc. using VB/VBA/C#/C(++)/ <literally any programming 
>> language> but without usage of ActiveX controls, without MS Word 
>> Automation etc. - i.e. just plain raw code to write raw RTF like in 
>> P.S. of this message? And maybe .PDF too? - or this latter is too 
>> much to have for free? - maybe then good description of .PDF format 
>> in electronic form or printed as a book? Any useful refs on that?
>>
>> TIA for any info,
>> Shamil
>>
>> <snipped>
>> _______________________________________________
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



From jim.hale at fleetpride.com  Fri May 23 14:02:49 2003
From: jim.hale at fleetpride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 14:02:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
Message-ID: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF87306176A20@corp-es00>

 If I have a router with a built in firewall  and I set up a web server for
development work on my lan behind the firewall  will I be able to access the
web server sites but the outside world will not?
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 10:54 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses


Depends.

If you go the "firewall appliance" route, such as
SinocWall, you're looking at close to a thousand bucks
(the last time I checked).  If you go the "I'm taking
a PC, putting multiple network cards in it and making
a firewall out of it." you can get away for free if
you have the hardware readily available.

My firewall is a P3-700 PC with 256MB of RAM, an 8GB
hard drive and 4 network cards.  Hardware-wise this
firewall is way overkill for what I need, .  I
wouldn't recommend anything less than a P2-333 for a
firewall though if you have a DSL or cablemodem based
Internet connection.  For an OS it's running a
hardened minimilistic flavor of Red Hat Linux 8.0. 
I'm running the built-in IPTables firewall for all of
my firewalling needs.  That makes the OS and firewall
free too.

--- Jim DeMarco <Jdemarco at hshhp.org> wrote:
> Thanks Martin.  
> 
> >From what I'm gathering from this thread I should
> look into a hardware solution (that the fact that
> I'm running WinME on a P200 that's a relatively slow
> performer as is).  How costly might that be?
> 
> Jim DeMarco
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
> [mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK]
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 11:12 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> 
> 
> Jim
> 
> You run a web server at hoem your always at risk of
> hacking attempts. Put up a secent firewall.
> 
> I have IIS running on a server here but its not
> connected to the web. Dosnt matter for dev work at
> all. I connect as and when I need to. Other than 
> that I leave the server of the modems.
> 
> 
> 
> Martin
> 
> 
> On May 23 2003, Jim DeMarco wrote:
> 
> > What about running it on another machine on my
> (wireless) network that's > not directly connected
> to my DSL modem but has Internet access via that >
> connection? Is that any safer?
> > 
> > Jim DeMarco
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Frank Tanner III
> [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:29 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> > 
> > 
> > Personally, I wouldn't run ANY public accessable
> > services on my LAN.  There is a MUCH safer way to
> do
> > it, but it isn't super cheap.
> > 
> > I have a custom built firewall, which I run at
> home. 
> > The "public" side of it connects directly to my
> > Internet connection, in this case a 1Mbit VDSL
> > connection.  Then I have a "private" side, which
> > connects to my LAN, and has my strict firewall
> rules. 
> > Only what I want gets in and out.  Lastly, I have
> a
> > "DMZ".  This is where I place my publicly
> accessable
> > machines.  It is still firewalled, but not as
> > stringently as the LAN side, since the public
> needs to
> > hit it.  Even in this DMZ I only let through the
> ports
> > I absolutely need to.  Such as 80 & 443 for Web,
> 25 &
> > 110 for e-mail, etc.  My LAN is also firewalled
> from
> > my DMZ in this configuration except for what's
> > absolutely needed.
> > 
> > In this confugiration, unless I specifically open
> an
> > e-mail with a virus attached, or something silly
> like
> > that, I'm about as safe as one can get from "the
> big
> > bad Internet".  The worst that can happen is that
> > there is an exploit for one of my publicly
> accessable
> > boxes and they get compromised.  My LAN is still
> safe.
> > 
> > As a side note, my firewall, web server, and
> e-mail
> > server are all running Linix or FreeBSD.  This
> makes
> > them less succeptable to all of the more common
> > attacks that the "script kiddies" like to use. 
> About
> > 80% of the attacks and defacements on publicly
> > accessable servers are done by "script kiddies". 
> An
> > added benifit is that IIS specific exploits have
> no
> > affect other than to fill my logs, which archive
> and
> > rotate off daily.
> > 
> > Is this a bit excessive, since I don't run a
> business
> > out of my home?  Yeah, it is.  But there's no such
> > thing as too much security.
> > 
> > --- John Frederick <j.frederick at att.net> wrote:
> > > Yes, it is necessary.  When I started doing .asp
> on
> > > the same machine I used
> > > to dial-up to get email, I got, over some period
> of
> > > time, about a dozen
> > > different viruses, some of which propagated
> through
> > > my lan to other
> > > machines.  If you can't block the access from
> the
> > > net to your machines, you
> > > need to either use a firewall or disconnect the
> pws
> > > machine from the lan.
> > > 
> > > P.S.: If you put firewalls, such as Norton or
> McAfee
> > > on your machines, you
> > > can ask to be warned and have a change to say ok
> or
> > > no when a program tries
> > > to access another machine or the net.  You'll be
> > > amazed about how many
> > > Microsoft and other vendow programs do so for no
> > > reason related to your
> > > current operation in progress.  If you're not
> > > already paranoid, that will
> > > make you so.
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> > > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 8:03 AM
> > > To: AccessD (E-mail)
> > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> > > 
> > > 
> > > List,
> > > 
> > > A while back I got a DSL connection on my home
> > > office PC which I
> > > occasionally use for web development using
> Personal
> > > Web Server (Win 9x/ME
> > > version of IIS).  I was advised by our staff
> network
> > > person NOT to run PWS
> > > after the DSL was up because I'd be succeptable
> to
> > > attacks and viruses.
> > > Does anyone know if this is true?  I have not
> run
> > > PWS in a couple of months
> > > and have been using a disconnected laptop to
> write
> > > ASP code but I'm
> > > wondering if this is necessary.  Would I need to
> > > install a firewall if I
> > > want to run PWS?
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > 
> > > Jim DeMarco
> > > 
> > > 
> > >
> >  
> >  
> >
>
****************************************************************************
> > > *******
> > > "This electronic message is intended to be for
> the
> > > use only of the named
> > > recipient, and may contain information from
> Hudson
> > > Health Plan (HHP) that is
> > > confidential or privileged.  If you are not the
> > > intended recipient, you are
> > > hereby notified that any disclosure, copying,
> > > distribution or use of the
> > > contents of this message is strictly prohibited.
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> > > you have received this
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Fri May 23 14:29:28 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 12:29:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
In-Reply-To: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF87306176A20@corp-es00>
Message-ID: <20030523192928.17706.qmail@web13403.mail.yahoo.com>

Depends.  If your IP address will be changing, the
outside one, or you will be wanting to access it from
different locations, not likely.  Most consumer
firewalls don't have that sort of authentication
mechanism built into them.  It's sort of an
all-or-nothing solution.

Usually you will be stuck with a rule similar to :
>From WAN to LOCAL_IP forward Port_80 allow.  Something
similar to that.  Obviously that's "pseudo code". 
Your  firewall's syntax will vary.  If you will be
connecting from a non-random location with a static IP
address you can say : From WAN_IP to Local_IP forward
Port_80 allow.  Where WAN_IP would be the public IP
address of the remote location you will be connecting
from.

Alot of routers have an authentication piece in them,
but it'd for outgoing only.  That sorta thing is real
good for locking it down so your kids can't surf the
net or whatever without supervision.

--- "Hale, Jim" <jim.hale at fleetpride.com> wrote:
>  If I have a router with a built in firewall  and I
> set up a web server for
> development work on my lan behind the firewall  will
> I be able to access the
> web server sites but the outside world will not?
> Jim Hale
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Tanner III
> [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 10:54 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> 
> 
> Depends.
> 
> If you go the "firewall appliance" route, such as
> SinocWall, you're looking at close to a thousand
> bucks
> (the last time I checked).  If you go the "I'm
> taking
> a PC, putting multiple network cards in it and
> making
> a firewall out of it." you can get away for free if
> you have the hardware readily available.
> 
> My firewall is a P3-700 PC with 256MB of RAM, an 8GB
> hard drive and 4 network cards.  Hardware-wise this
> firewall is way overkill for what I need, .  I
> wouldn't recommend anything less than a P2-333 for a
> firewall though if you have a DSL or cablemodem
> based
> Internet connection.  For an OS it's running a
> hardened minimilistic flavor of Red Hat Linux 8.0. 
> I'm running the built-in IPTables firewall for all
> of
> my firewalling needs.  That makes the OS and
> firewall
> free too.
> 
> --- Jim DeMarco <Jdemarco at hshhp.org> wrote:
> > Thanks Martin.  
> > 
> > >From what I'm gathering from this thread I should
> > look into a hardware solution (that the fact that
> > I'm running WinME on a P200 that's a relatively
> slow
> > performer as is).  How costly might that be?
> > 
> > Jim DeMarco
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
> > [mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK]
> > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 11:12 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> > 
> > 
> > Jim
> > 
> > You run a web server at hoem your always at risk
> of
> > hacking attempts. Put up a secent firewall.
> > 
> > I have IIS running on a server here but its not
> > connected to the web. Dosnt matter for dev work at
> > all. I connect as and when I need to. Other than 
> > that I leave the server of the modems.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Martin
> > 
> > 
> > On May 23 2003, Jim DeMarco wrote:
> > 
> > > What about running it on another machine on my
> > (wireless) network that's > not directly connected
> > to my DSL modem but has Internet access via that >
> > connection? Is that any safer?
> > > 
> > > Jim DeMarco
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:29 AM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Personally, I wouldn't run ANY public accessable
> > > services on my LAN.  There is a MUCH safer way
> to
> > do
> > > it, but it isn't super cheap.
> > > 
> > > I have a custom built firewall, which I run at
> > home. 
> > > The "public" side of it connects directly to my
> > > Internet connection, in this case a 1Mbit VDSL
> > > connection.  Then I have a "private" side, which
> > > connects to my LAN, and has my strict firewall
> > rules. 
> > > Only what I want gets in and out.  Lastly, I
> have
> > a
> > > "DMZ".  This is where I place my publicly
> > accessable
> > > machines.  It is still firewalled, but not as
> > > stringently as the LAN side, since the public
> > needs to
> > > hit it.  Even in this DMZ I only let through the
> > ports
> > > I absolutely need to.  Such as 80 & 443 for Web,
> > 25 &
> > > 110 for e-mail, etc.  My LAN is also firewalled
> > from
> > > my DMZ in this configuration except for what's
> > > absolutely needed.
> > > 
> > > In this confugiration, unless I specifically
> open
> > an
> > > e-mail with a virus attached, or something silly
> > like
> > > that, I'm about as safe as one can get from "the
> > big
> > > bad Internet".  The worst that can happen is
> that
> > > there is an exploit for one of my publicly
> > accessable
> > > boxes and they get compromised.  My LAN is still
> > safe.
> > > 
> > > As a side note, my firewall, web server, and
> > e-mail
> > > server are all running Linix or FreeBSD.  This
> > makes
> > > them less succeptable to all of the more common
> > > attacks that the "script kiddies" like to use. 
> > About
> > > 80% of the attacks and defacements on publicly
> > > accessable servers are done by "script kiddies".
> 
> > An
> > > added benifit is that IIS specific exploits have
> > no
> > > affect other than to fill my logs, which archive
> > and
> > > rotate off daily.
> > > 
> > > Is this a bit excessive, since I don't run a
> > business
> > > out of my home?  Yeah, it is.  But there's no
> such
> > > thing as too much security.
> > > 
> > > --- John Frederick <j.frederick at att.net> wrote:
> > > > Yes, it is necessary.  When I started doing
> .asp
> > on
> > > > the same machine I used
> > > > to dial-up to get email, I got, over some
> period
> > of
> > > > time, about a dozen
> > > > different viruses, some of which propagated
> > through
> > > > my lan to other
> > > > machines.  If you can't block the access from
> > the
> > > > net to your machines, you
> > > > need to either use a firewall or disconnect
> the
> > pws
> > > > machine from the lan.
> > > > 
> > > > P.S.: If you put firewalls, such as Norton or
> > McAfee
> > > > on your machines, you
> > > > can ask to be warned and have a change to say
> ok
> > or
> > > > no when a program tries
> > > > to access another machine or the net.  You'll
> be
> > > > amazed about how many
> > > > Microsoft and other vendow programs do so for
> no
> > > > reason related to your
> > > > current operation in progress.  If you're not
> > > > already paranoid, that will
> > > > make you so.
> > > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> 
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Fri May 23 14:42:38 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: 23 May 2003 20:42:38 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
Message-ID: <200305231942.UAA12796@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

http://hallinternet.com/net_history_trends/188.shtml

Found this on the web. Not sure if its any use.

I have a gateway/router sitting in front of me now but havnt installed it 
yet LOL.

I am lucky, I can relay on the networks guys in work to sort all this stuff 
out for me even at home.

Martin

On May 23 2003, Frank Tanner III wrote:

> Depends.  If your IP address will be changing, the
> outside one, or you will be wanting to access it from
> different locations, not likely.  Most consumer
> firewalls don't have that sort of authentication
> mechanism built into them.  It's sort of an
> all-or-nothing solution.
> 
> Usually you will be stuck with a rule similar to :
> >From WAN to LOCAL_IP forward Port_80 allow.  Something
> similar to that.  Obviously that's "pseudo code". 
> Your  firewall's syntax will vary.  If you will be
> connecting from a non-random location with a static IP
> address you can say : From WAN_IP to Local_IP forward
> Port_80 allow.  Where WAN_IP would be the public IP
> address of the remote location you will be connecting
> from.
> 
> Alot of routers have an authentication piece in them,
> but it'd for outgoing only.  That sorta thing is real
> good for locking it down so your kids can't surf the
> net or whatever without supervision.
> 
> --- "Hale, Jim" <jim.hale at fleetpride.com> wrote:
> >  If I have a router with a built in firewall  and I
> > set up a web server for
> > development work on my lan behind the firewall  will
> > I be able to access the
> > web server sites but the outside world will not?
> > Jim Hale
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Frank Tanner III
> > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 10:54 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> > 
> > 
> > Depends.
> > 
> > If you go the "firewall appliance" route, such as
> > SinocWall, you're looking at close to a thousand
> > bucks
> > (the last time I checked).  If you go the "I'm
> > taking
> > a PC, putting multiple network cards in it and
> > making
> > a firewall out of it." you can get away for free if
> > you have the hardware readily available.
> > 
> > My firewall is a P3-700 PC with 256MB of RAM, an 8GB
> > hard drive and 4 network cards.  Hardware-wise this
> > firewall is way overkill for what I need, .  I
> > wouldn't recommend anything less than a P2-333 for a
> > firewall though if you have a DSL or cablemodem
> > based
> > Internet connection.  For an OS it's running a
> > hardened minimilistic flavor of Red Hat Linux 8.0. 
> > I'm running the built-in IPTables firewall for all
> > of
> > my firewalling needs.  That makes the OS and
> > firewall
> > free too.
> > 
> > --- Jim DeMarco <Jdemarco at hshhp.org> wrote:
> > > Thanks Martin.  
> > > 
> > > >From what I'm gathering from this thread I should
> > > look into a hardware solution (that the fact that
> > > I'm running WinME on a P200 that's a relatively
> > slow
> > > performer as is).  How costly might that be?
> > > 
> > > Jim DeMarco
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
> > > [mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK]
> > > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 11:12 AM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Jim
> > > 
> > > You run a web server at hoem your always at risk
> > of
> > > hacking attempts. Put up a secent firewall.
> > > 
> > > I have IIS running on a server here but its not
> > > connected to the web. Dosnt matter for dev work at
> > > all. I connect as and when I need to. Other than 
> > > that I leave the server of the modems.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Martin
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On May 23 2003, Jim DeMarco wrote:
> > > 
> > > > What about running it on another machine on my
> > > (wireless) network that's > not directly connected
> > > to my DSL modem but has Internet access via that >
> > > connection? Is that any safer?
> > > > 
> > > > Jim DeMarco
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:29 AM
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Personally, I wouldn't run ANY public accessable
> > > > services on my LAN.  There is a MUCH safer way
> > to
> > > do
> > > > it, but it isn't super cheap.
> > > > 
> > > > I have a custom built firewall, which I run at
> > > home. 
> > > > The "public" side of it connects directly to my
> > > > Internet connection, in this case a 1Mbit VDSL
> > > > connection.  Then I have a "private" side, which
> > > > connects to my LAN, and has my strict firewall
> > > rules. 
> > > > Only what I want gets in and out.  Lastly, I
> > have
> > > a
> > > > "DMZ".  This is where I place my publicly
> > > accessable
> > > > machines.  It is still firewalled, but not as
> > > > stringently as the LAN side, since the public
> > > needs to
> > > > hit it.  Even in this DMZ I only let through the
> > > ports
> > > > I absolutely need to.  Such as 80 & 443 for Web,
> > > 25 &
> > > > 110 for e-mail, etc.  My LAN is also firewalled
> > > from
> > > > my DMZ in this configuration except for what's
> > > > absolutely needed.
> > > > 
> > > > In this confugiration, unless I specifically
> > open
> > > an
> > > > e-mail with a virus attached, or something silly
> > > like
> > > > that, I'm about as safe as one can get from "the
> > > big
> > > > bad Internet".  The worst that can happen is
> > that
> > > > there is an exploit for one of my publicly
> > > accessable
> > > > boxes and they get compromised.  My LAN is still
> > > safe.
> > > > 
> > > > As a side note, my firewall, web server, and
> > > e-mail
> > > > server are all running Linix or FreeBSD.  This
> > > makes
> > > > them less succeptable to all of the more common
> > > > attacks that the "script kiddies" like to use. 
> > > About
> > > > 80% of the attacks and defacements on publicly
> > > > accessable servers are done by "script kiddies".
> > 
> > > An
> > > > added benifit is that IIS specific exploits have
> > > no
> > > > affect other than to fill my logs, which archive
> > > and
> > > > rotate off daily.
> > > > 
> > > > Is this a bit excessive, since I don't run a
> > > business
> > > > out of my home?  Yeah, it is.  But there's no
> > such
> > > > thing as too much security.
> > > > 
> > > > --- John Frederick <j.frederick at att.net> wrote:
> > > > > Yes, it is necessary.  When I started doing
> > .asp
> > > on
> > > > > the same machine I used
> > > > > to dial-up to get email, I got, over some
> > period
> > > of
> > > > > time, about a dozen
> > > > > different viruses, some of which propagated
> > > through
> > > > > my lan to other
> > > > > machines.  If you can't block the access from
> > > the
> > > > > net to your machines, you
> > > > > need to either use a firewall or disconnect
> > the
> > > pws
> > > > > machine from the lan.
> > > > > 
> > > > > P.S.: If you put firewalls, such as Norton or
> > > McAfee
> > > > > on your machines, you
> > > > > can ask to be warned and have a change to say
> > ok
> > > or
> > > > > no when a program tries
> > > > > to access another machine or the net.  You'll
> > be
> > > > > amazed about how many
> > > > > Microsoft and other vendow programs do so for
> > no
> > > > > reason related to your
> > > > > current operation in progress.  If you're not
> > > > > already paranoid, that will
> > > > > make you so.
> > > > > 
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > 
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From delliker at hotmail.com  Fri May 23 14:50:58 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 15:50:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
Message-ID: <LAW12-F99uHnMrxNYrv0000f87a@hotmail.com>

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From marcel.vreuls at oop.nl  Fri May 23 14:53:42 2003
From: marcel.vreuls at oop.nl (Marcel Vreuls)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 21:53:42 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Presentation of a URL
In-Reply-To: <001701c3214f$254333c0$b274d0d5@andypc>
Message-ID: <000001c32165$055efab0$c100a8c0@OOPMBO>

Hi Andy,

About 80% of the url I have converted from a db2 system. In the access table
they seem to be Ok. The other 20% where entered manualy through a form. So
nothing special.

I have found some weird thing which I can not always but often reproduce.
The screen where the URL is presented has a textbox which has a default
value a value of a prior (stil loaded) screen. That is where something,
sometimes is going wrong. If it is going wrong once it keeps on going wrong.
What i mean is that the url is being presented well for a random number of
times. Than suddenly the presentation goes wrong and from than it keeps on
going wrong until i drop the textbox control and put it in
again???????????????!!!!!!!!!!???????????.

I have checked, i use no code or 3rd party controls. I will keep on testing.


Gr. marcel




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: vrijdag 23 mei 2003 19:17
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Presentation of a URL


Hi Marcel
How do the URL's get in there? Keyed in or grabbed by the program?
Reason I ask is that I've seen this behaviour too, and never worked out
why. I was using code to grab the URL out of the current IE window so
wondered if it might have been that.

Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]
> Sent: 23 May 2003 16:17
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Presentation of a URL
>
>
> Hi Charles,
>
> I have lost about 5 kilos searching where the problem is, I
> am not happy but my wife is...haha... :-).
>
> I cannot find it. My final solution worked. Delete the
> control from the form and add a new one. Problem solved but I
> do not know why this is happened.
>
> Gr. marcel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> Wortz, Charles
> Sent: vrijdag 23 mei 2003 16:45
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Presentation of a URL
>
>
> Marcel,
>
> Everything to the left of the http: should not be there.  You
> only want the http://www.oop.nl part to > display and be stored
> in your table.  You will have to look through your form that
> displays it, your table that stores it and the form that puts
> it into the table to see where that extra stuff (very
> technical word <grin>) is coming from.
>
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Marcel Vreuls
> Sent: Friday 2003 May 23 09:36
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Presentation of a URL
>
> Hi group,
>
> I store the website of companies in our CRM package. On the
> form the URL is being displayed as
> www.oop.nl#http://www.oop.nl When clicking > this...oeps..no website.
>
> Any suggestions to adjust the display of this. The datatype
> of the field in the database is Hyperlink.
>
> Thank,
>
> Marcel
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May 23 15:42:04 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 13:42:04 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FCF@infoserver01.infostat.local>

>>Imagine if you saw this sentence 20 years ago....

ROTFL

Had IBM even come out with their LANs 20 years ago?  I remember all the
hoorah around that, never mind the "web" part of the statement.  <VBG>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 11:51 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses


Imagine if you saw this sentence 20 years ago....(those who were alive
and cognicent) 

"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." 
>From: "Hale, Jim" 
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" 
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses 
>Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 14:02:49 -0500 
> 
> If I have a router with a built in firewall and I set up a web server
for 
>development work on my lan behind the firewall will I be able to access
the 
>web server sites but the outside world will not? 
>Jim Hale 
> 




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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May 23 15:43:21 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 13:43:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FD0@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Lucky dog!  I had to call a friend of my to get my DSL router set up
right. Thank goodness for patient friends!

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk] 
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 11:43 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses


http://hallinternet.com/net_history_trends/188.shtml

Found this on the web. Not sure if its any use.

I have a gateway/router sitting in front of me now but havnt installed
it 
yet LOL.

I am lucky, I can relay on the networks guys in work to sort all this
stuff 
out for me even at home.

Martin

On May 23 2003, Frank Tanner III wrote:

> Depends.  If your IP address will be changing, the
> outside one, or you will be wanting to access it from different 
> locations, not likely.  Most consumer firewalls don't have that sort 
> of authentication mechanism built into them.  It's sort of an
> all-or-nothing solution.
> 
> Usually you will be stuck with a rule similar to :
> >From WAN to LOCAL_IP forward Port_80 allow.  Something
> similar to that.  Obviously that's "pseudo code".
> Your  firewall's syntax will vary.  If you will be
> connecting from a non-random location with a static IP
> address you can say : From WAN_IP to Local_IP forward
> Port_80 allow.  Where WAN_IP would be the public IP
> address of the remote location you will be connecting
> from.
> 
> Alot of routers have an authentication piece in them,
> but it'd for outgoing only.  That sorta thing is real
> good for locking it down so your kids can't surf the
> net or whatever without supervision.
> 
> --- "Hale, Jim" <jim.hale at fleetpride.com> wrote:
> >  If I have a router with a built in firewall  and I
> > set up a web server for
> > development work on my lan behind the firewall  will
> > I be able to access the
> > web server sites but the outside world will not?
> > Jim Hale
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Frank Tanner III
> > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 10:54 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> > 
> > 
> > Depends.
> > 
> > If you go the "firewall appliance" route, such as SinocWall, you're 
> > looking at close to a thousand bucks
> > (the last time I checked).  If you go the "I'm
> > taking
> > a PC, putting multiple network cards in it and
> > making
> > a firewall out of it." you can get away for free if
> > you have the hardware readily available.
> > 
> > My firewall is a P3-700 PC with 256MB of RAM, an 8GB
> > hard drive and 4 network cards.  Hardware-wise this firewall is way 
> > overkill for what I need, .  I wouldn't recommend anything less than

> > a P2-333 for a firewall though if you have a DSL or cablemodem
> > based
> > Internet connection.  For an OS it's running a
> > hardened minimilistic flavor of Red Hat Linux 8.0. 
> > I'm running the built-in IPTables firewall for all
> > of
> > my firewalling needs.  That makes the OS and
> > firewall
> > free too.
> > 
> > --- Jim DeMarco <Jdemarco at hshhp.org> wrote:
> > > Thanks Martin.
> > > 
> > > >From what I'm gathering from this thread I should
> > > look into a hardware solution (that the fact that
> > > I'm running WinME on a P200 that's a relatively
> > slow
> > > performer as is).  How costly might that be?
> > > 
> > > Jim DeMarco
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK 
> > > [mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK]
> > > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 11:12 AM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Jim
> > > 
> > > You run a web server at hoem your always at risk
> > of
> > > hacking attempts. Put up a secent firewall.
> > > 
> > > I have IIS running on a server here but its not
> > > connected to the web. Dosnt matter for dev work at
> > > all. I connect as and when I need to. Other than
> > > that I leave the server of the modems.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Martin
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On May 23 2003, Jim DeMarco wrote:
> > > 
> > > > What about running it on another machine on my
> > > (wireless) network that's > not directly connected
> > > to my DSL modem but has Internet access via that > connection? Is 
> > > that any safer?
> > > > 
> > > > Jim DeMarco
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:29 AM
> > > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Personally, I wouldn't run ANY public accessable services on my 
> > > > LAN.  There is a MUCH safer way
> > to
> > > do
> > > > it, but it isn't super cheap.
> > > > 
> > > > I have a custom built firewall, which I run at
> > > home.
> > > > The "public" side of it connects directly to my Internet 
> > > > connection, in this case a 1Mbit VDSL connection.  Then I have a

> > > > "private" side, which connects to my LAN, and has my strict 
> > > > firewall
> > > rules.
> > > > Only what I want gets in and out.  Lastly, I
> > have
> > > a
> > > > "DMZ".  This is where I place my publicly
> > > accessable
> > > > machines.  It is still firewalled, but not as stringently as the

> > > > LAN side, since the public
> > > needs to
> > > > hit it.  Even in this DMZ I only let through the
> > > ports
> > > > I absolutely need to.  Such as 80 & 443 for Web,
> > > 25 &
> > > > 110 for e-mail, etc.  My LAN is also firewalled
> > > from
> > > > my DMZ in this configuration except for what's absolutely 
> > > > needed.
> > > > 
> > > > In this confugiration, unless I specifically
> > open
> > > an
> > > > e-mail with a virus attached, or something silly
> > > like
> > > > that, I'm about as safe as one can get from "the
> > > big
> > > > bad Internet".  The worst that can happen is
> > that
> > > > there is an exploit for one of my publicly
> > > accessable
> > > > boxes and they get compromised.  My LAN is still
> > > safe.
> > > > 
> > > > As a side note, my firewall, web server, and
> > > e-mail
> > > > server are all running Linix or FreeBSD.  This
> > > makes
> > > > them less succeptable to all of the more common
> > > > attacks that the "script kiddies" like to use.
> > > About
> > > > 80% of the attacks and defacements on publicly accessable 
> > > > servers are done by "script kiddies".
> > 
> > > An
> > > > added benifit is that IIS specific exploits have
> > > no
> > > > affect other than to fill my logs, which archive
> > > and
> > > > rotate off daily.
> > > > 
> > > > Is this a bit excessive, since I don't run a
> > > business
> > > > out of my home?  Yeah, it is.  But there's no
> > such
> > > > thing as too much security.
> > > > 
> > > > --- John Frederick <j.frederick at att.net> wrote:
> > > > > Yes, it is necessary.  When I started doing
> > .asp
> > > on
> > > > > the same machine I used
> > > > > to dial-up to get email, I got, over some
> > period
> > > of
> > > > > time, about a dozen
> > > > > different viruses, some of which propagated
> > > through
> > > > > my lan to other
> > > > > machines.  If you can't block the access from
> > > the
> > > > > net to your machines, you
> > > > > need to either use a firewall or disconnect
> > the
> > > pws
> > > > > machine from the lan.
> > > > > 
> > > > > P.S.: If you put firewalls, such as Norton or
> > > McAfee
> > > > > on your machines, you
> > > > > can ask to be warned and have a change to say
> > ok
> > > or
> > > > > no when a program tries
> > > > > to access another machine or the net.  You'll
> > be
> > > > > amazed about how many
> > > > > Microsoft and other vendow programs do so for
> > no
> > > > > reason related to your
> > > > > current operation in progress.  If you're not
> > > > > already paranoid, that will
> > > > > make you so.
> > > > > 
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > 
> === message truncated ===> 
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-- 
Martin WP Reid
Analyst
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From jim.hale at fleetpride.com  Fri May 23 16:06:52 2003
From: jim.hale at fleetpride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 16:06:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
Message-ID: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF87306176A81@corp-es00>

I did see it 20 yrs ago. If you look real hard you can find it buried  in
the Alice in Wonderland illustrations. I fully expect the following to make
perfect sense in a few short years as well. In fact I'll bet its all covered
somewhere in a .net manual already .....hmmmm <vbg>
Jim Hale

'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 3:42 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses


>>Imagine if you saw this sentence 20 years ago....

ROTFL

Had IBM even come out with their LANs 20 years ago?  I remember all the
hoorah around that, never mind the "web" part of the statement.  <VBG>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 11:51 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses


Imagine if you saw this sentence 20 years ago....(those who were alive
and cognicent) 

"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." 
>From: "Hale, Jim" 
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>To: "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" 
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses 
>Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 14:02:49 -0500 
> 
> If I have a router with a built in firewall and I set up a web server
for 
>development work on my lan behind the firewall will I be able to access
the 
>web server sites but the outside world will not? 
>Jim Hale 
> 




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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sat May 24 08:03:47 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 15:03:47 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Writing raw RTF document using VB/VBA/C(++)/DEL
	PHI/...
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Message-ID: <5614351436.20030524150347@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil

I once located these links to a compact list of codes (not sure of the
version) and some simple code examples:

  http://thorkildsen.no/faqsys/docs/rtf.txt

  http://www.codeguru.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=233068


My simple need (which I never got solved) was how to assemble an
rtf-formatted field from many records (essentially each an rtf
document) into one rtf document, stripping headers etc. from each
record and adding a header etc. to the final document.

So if you come up with a routine for parsing an rtf string, at least
extracting the content including bold, underline, and italic
attributes, I would be pleased to see it.

Here's a link to a class in RealBasic for parsing a subset of rtf
formatted text. I guess you can download a trial version of RealBasic
to study it:

  http://www.belle-nuit.com/realbasic/rtfparser.html

In Java life is easier:

  http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.1/docs/api/javax/swing/text/rtf/RTFEditorKit.html

/gustav


> Bryan's link points to v1.6 of the RTF spec.  But, if you're interested, I
> was poking around and found a download link (watch for wrap) for v1.7.

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=E5B8EBC2-6AD6-49F0-8C90-E4F763E3F04F&displaylang=en

> Mark


> RTF Files are just plain old ascii text. So Low level File I/O will work to
> write it.

> The biggest challenge would be to get the text string correct before writing
> them out to the file.

> Here is a link to the RTF spec.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/?url=/library/en-us/dnrtfspec/html/rtfspec.asp?frame=true

> As for PDF, here is the link to the PDF Specs.

http://partners.adobe.com/asn/acrobat/docs.jsp#filefmtspecs

> Bryan Carbonnell
> bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca


From bbruen at bigpond.com  Sat May 24 08:41:24 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 23:41:24 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples
In-Reply-To: <Law12-F11sTmWutxfAM0000e97d@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001c321fa$2c0595d0$5200a8c0@bbb888>

In actual fact what your eyes see is edges not "white" or "black".  The
rods and cones fire when a change in the "lightbeam" that hits those
cells occurs. Your eyes make teeny weeny little movements all the time
so you can discern the edges that occur on static visual stimulii ( eg
writing on a page). Thus the argument of seeing what is or is not there
is fallacious - you must have the edges present in the stimulii to see
anything.   For years I insisted that I preferred white on blue as the
less eye straining computer screen layout - now that my eyes have
deteriorated to the point where I cannot read anything less than 14pt
time roman without glasses I have gone back to black on white - and hate
white on blue with a passion, especially on paper.  In fact, I dislike
most web pages on principal regardless of colouring.  Come to think of
it, computers are a bloody poor idea........ fades away into the (red on
yellow) sunset home for old programmers, singing, singing "I'm a
lumberjack.........

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Don Elliker
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 1:54 AM  
To:  <mailto:accessd at databaseadvisors.com> accessd at databaseadvisors.com

Subject: Re: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples  



But what about the fact that the retina is a reflective surface and so
all perception of color whatever the scheme is refective......

_d

"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them."   

>From: MartyConnelly 
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples 
>Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 08:26:16 -0700 
> 
>I believe all raster screens use RGB additive colours, however 
>vector graphic screens(draws only a single line at a time) like the 
>old Tektronix colour graphics terminals, used subtractive CYM 
>colours. This only got messy when you were trying to add 35 mm 
>cameras to capture the screen output to slides. I used this back in 
>80's for IBM main frame 3270 colour terminals. The 35 mm terminal 
>adapter was expensive at the time around $5000. 
> 
>Drew Wutka wrote: 
> 
>>True, but just out of curiousity, does MS Access use a transmitted 
>>light 
>>scheme, or a reflective light scheme? 
>> 
>>Unless of course you are talking about printed reports, but then 
>>that is not 
>>an interface. 
>> 
>>Drew 
>> 
>>-----Original Message----- 
>>From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
>>Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 11:56 AM 
>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples 
>> 
>> 
>>Drew and Roz, 
>> 
>>In the additive color scheme, such as transmitted light, black is 
>>the 
>>absence of all colors and white is the sum of all colors. In the 
>>subtractive color scheme, such as in inks and other reflective 
>>light 
>>schemes, black is the sum of all colors and white is the absence of 
>>all 
>>colors. So you need to specify which color scheme you are using 
>>when 
>>you make blanket statements about black and white. 
>> 
>> 
>>Charles Wortz Software Development Division Texas Education Agency 
>>1701 N. Congress Ave Austin, TX 78701-1494 512-463-9493 
>>CWortz at tea.state.tx.us -----Original Message----- 
>>From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com] Sent: 
>>Thursday 2003 May 22 11:39 
>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples 
>> 
>>Philosphically, you may be right. Unfortunately, my eyes aren't 
>>philosophical about it. Black, and all dark colors for that 
>>matter, 
>>have visual "weight" that overpowers white. So on a black page 
>>with 
>>white print, the background overpowers the text. At least, that's 
>>the 
>>way *my* vision works. 
>> 
>>Charlotte Foust 
>>-----Original Message----- 
>>From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 
>>2003 8:20 AM 
>>To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples 
>> 
>> 
>>That's what I thought (though I think you have your last sentence 
>>reversed...books are black on white...). White on Black is letting 
>>your 
>>eye's see what's there, not what's NOT there. (Since Black is the 
>>absence of all color, and white is the presence of all.) 
>> 
>>Drew 
>>-----Original Message----- 
>>From: Roz Clarke [mailto:roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk] 
>>Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:46 AM 
>>To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Good Interface Examples 
>> 
>> 
>>Psych studies have actually shown that the human eye differentiates 
>>light on dark more easily than dark on light and a dark background 
>>(making up, as it does, most of the screen) should cause less 
>>strain to 
>>the eyes, being less bright. 
>> 
>>However, I think that we find reading white-on-black easiest 
>>because 
>>we've all been habituated to it from reading books. 
>> 
>>Roz 
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From lists at theopg.com  Sat May 24 09:52:49 2003
From: lists at theopg.com (Mark H)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 15:52:49 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 OutputTo HTML Formatting
In-Reply-To: <web-975993@rems05.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <002c01c32204$25afd600$d6c687d9@laptop>

You can merge your data with the relevant html in VBA in pretty much the
same way as you would with active server pages and then write it to a
text file with the correct extension. I did this a couple of years ago
with a catalog and it worked just fine...

mark

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Ron Allen
Sent: 23 May 2003 14:57
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 OutputTo HTML Formatting


I have a very simple report in Access97 that I need to 
export to HTML. The report exports to HTML wonderfully 
using OutputTo, and looks great, except for one thing. 
Instead of using the navigation links to move between 
pages, the people needing this report want it all on one 
long HTML page so they can also print it out in one print 
rather than printing each page.

I've looked all over to see if I could find information on 
this, and I've found nothing. I've tried various ways of 
formating the report to try to eliminate page breaks. I've 
tried modifying the template in various ways. Anyone know 
if what I'm trying to do is even possible?

Thanks,

Ron 
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Sun May 25 11:02:06 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 09:02:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Grab Filenames
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FC1@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <3ED0E8FE.3050909@shaw.ca>

 Here is some rough test code I used for a rough timing test of two 
different methods
of finding files ( FileSys and Dir recursion)
I found them about equal (within 1 or 2 seconds) on moderate sized 
directories
But on a full disk search (c:\) over 10 Gigs, the  time was 3 minutes 
for Dir method
(you get 3 or 4 errors thrown up as well) and 1 minute for filesys method.

-------------------------

Dim fso As New FileSystemObject
Dim fld As Folder
' need reference to scrrun.dll scripting runtime
' use FileSys object
Function searchFiles(sDir As String, sSrchString As String)
'searchFiles("c:\Documents and Settings","*.mdb")
'searchFiles("c:\Access Files","*.mdb")
   Dim nDirs As Long
   Dim nFiles As Long
   Dim lSize As Currency
   Dim startTime As Date
   Dim finishTime As Date
      nFiles = 0
      nDirs = 0
      startTime = Now()
  ' sDir = InputBox("Type the directory that you want to search for", _
  '                 "FileSystemObjects example", "C:\")
  ' sSrchString = InputBox("Type the file name that you want to search 
for", _
  '                 "FileSystemObjects example", "vb.ini")
   'MousePointer = vbHourglass
  ' Label1.Caption = "Searching " & vbCrLf & UCase(sDir) & "..."
   lSize = FindFile(sDir, sSrchString, nDirs, nFiles)
   'MousePointer = vbDefault
   Debug.Print Str(nFiles) & " files found in" & Str(nDirs) & _
          " directories", vbInformation
   Debug.Print "Total Size = " & lSize & " bytes"
    finishTime = Now()
      Debug.Print "no of seconds=" & DateDiff("s", startTime, finishTime)
End Function

Private Function FindFile(ByVal sFol As String, sFile As String, _
   nDirs As Long, nFiles As Long) As Currency
   Dim tFld As Folder, tFil As File, FileName As String
  
   On Error GoTo Catch
   Set fld = fso.GetFolder(sFol)
   FileName = Dir(fso.BuildPath(fld.path, sFile), vbNormal Or _
                  vbHidden Or vbSystem Or vbReadOnly)
   While Len(FileName) <> 0
      FindFile = FindFile + FileLen(fso.BuildPath(fld.path, _
      FileName))
      nFiles = nFiles + 1
      'List1.AddItem fso.BuildPath(fld.path, FileName)
      ' Load ListBox or Table
      FileName = Dir()  ' Get next file
      DoEvents
   Wend
 '  Label1 = "Searching " & vbCrLf & fld.path & "..."
   nDirs = nDirs + 1
   If fld.SubFolders.Count > 0 Then
      For Each tFld In fld.SubFolders
         DoEvents
         FindFile = FindFile + FindFile(tFld.path, sFile, nDirs, nFiles)
      Next
   End If
   Exit Function
Catch:  FileName = ""
       Resume Next
End Function


---------------------------------

'testfind("c:\Documents and Settings","*.mdb")
'testfind("c:\Access Files","*.mdb")
       Function testfind(SearchPath As String, FindStr As String)
' Use Dir recursion     
      Dim FileSize As Long
      Dim NumFiles As Integer, NumDirs As Integer
      Dim startTime As Date
      Dim finishTime As Date
      NumFiles = 0
      NumDirs = 0
      startTime = Now()
      FileSize = FindFiles(SearchPath, FindStr, NumFiles, NumDirs)
      Debug.Print NumFiles & " Files found in " & NumDirs + 1 & _
         " Directories"
      Debug.Print "Size of files found under " & SearchPath & " = " & _
         Format(FileSize, "#,###,###,##0") & " Bytes"
      finishTime = Now
      Debug.Print "no of seconds=" & DateDiff("s", startTime, finishTime)
      End Function

 Function FindFiles(path As String, SearchStr As String, _
       FileCount As Integer, DirCount As Integer)
      Dim FileName As String   ' Walking filename variable.
      Dim DirName As String    ' SubDirectory Name.
      Dim dirNames() As String ' Buffer for directory name entries.
      Dim nDir As Integer      ' Number of directories in this path.
      Dim i As Integer         ' For-loop counter.

      On Error GoTo sysFileERR
      If Right(path, 1) <> "\" Then path = path & "\"
      ' Search for subdirectories.
      nDir = 0
      ReDim dirNames(nDir)
      DirName = Dir(path, vbDirectory Or vbHidden Or vbArchive Or 
vbReadOnly _
                  Or vbSystem)  ' Even if hidden, and so on.
      Do While Len(DirName) > 0
         ' Ignore the current and encompassing directories.
         If (DirName <> ".") And (DirName <> "..") Then
            ' Check for directory with bitwise comparison.
            If GetAttr(path & DirName) And vbDirectory Then
               dirNames(nDir) = DirName
               DirCount = DirCount + 1
               nDir = nDir + 1
               ReDim Preserve dirNames(nDir)
               'List2.AddItem path & DirName ' Uncomment to list
            End If                           ' directories.
sysFileERRCont:
         End If
         DirName = Dir()  ' Get next subdirectory.
      Loop

      ' Search through this directory and sum file sizes.
      FileName = Dir(path & SearchStr, vbNormal Or vbHidden Or vbSystem _
      Or vbReadOnly Or vbArchive)
      While Len(FileName) <> 0
         FindFiles = FindFiles + FileLen(path & FileName)
         FileCount = FileCount + 1
         ' Load List box or table
        ' List2.AddItem path & FileName & vbTab & _
        '    FileDateTime(path & FileName)   ' Include Modified Date
         FileName = Dir()  ' Get next file.
      Wend

      ' If there are sub-directories..
      If nDir > 0 Then
         ' Recursively walk into them
         For i = 0 To nDir - 1
           FindFiles = FindFiles + FindFiles(path & dirNames(i) & "\", _
            SearchStr, FileCount, DirCount)
         Next i
      End If

AbortFunction:
     ' Debug.Print "abort function=" & DirName
     ' will pass through here on end of recursion
      Exit Function
sysFileERR:
       Debug.Print "Unexpected Error=" & Err.Number & "name=" & FileName 
& "-" & DirName & Right(DirName, 4)
      If Right(DirName, 4) = ".sys" Then
        Debug.Print "pagefile.sys"
        Resume sysFileERRCont ' Known issue with pagefile.sys
       
      Else
        MsgBox "Error: " & Err.Number & " - " & Err.Description, , _
         "Unexpected Error" & FileName & "-" & DirName
         Debug.Print "resume"
        Resume AbortFunction
      End If
      End Function


From AdamCogan at ssw.com.au  Sun May 25 21:42:36 2003
From: AdamCogan at ssw.com.au (Adam Cogan www.ssw.com.au)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 12:42:36 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Outlook 2003 Spam Filter catches the below message
Message-ID: <C49EEA8FB6A21446AF969EE0A4AAFFFC86DA86@wolf.sydney.ssw.com.au>

I am guessing it is this.

 

Any way of removing it?

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 22 May 2003 12:09 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com

 

I was pretty sure that it does, but I can't seem to remember/find how.

I need something like this

 

Edit tblTableName

 

Select *

 

Replace "Mash*" with "Masha"

 

 

 

 

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From artful at rogers.com  Mon May 26 08:31:26 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 09:31:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Snapshot Viewer question
Message-ID: <017701c3238b$1b6a8d60$8e01a8c0@Rock>

How do you save a report as a snapshot programmatically? I think I've done
it years ago but can't remember how.

TIA,
Arthur


From artful at rogers.com  Mon May 26 08:42:23 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 09:42:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Snapshot question continued
Message-ID: <017801c3238c$a30010f0$8e01a8c0@Rock>

I clicked Send too quickly. My second question is, can I save a report to a
snapshot without previewing it? I just want to create the SNP file and
attach it to an email. Since there could be 100 reports going out at once, I
certainly don't want to force the user to preview and close each one in
turn!

TIA,
Arthur


From Subscriptions at servicexp.com  Mon May 26 08:48:32 2003
From: Subscriptions at servicexp.com (Robert Gracie)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 09:48:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Snapshot question continued
In-Reply-To: <017801c3238c$a30010f0$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <GFEMKAOHCJHKHMNKABJFEEEJDAAA.Subscriptions@servicexp.com>

Try something like this..


Sub PublishOPObject(intObjectType As Integer, strObjectName As String, _
 Optional intFormat As String, _
 Optional strOutputFile As String, _
 Optional bolAutoStart As Boolean = False, _
 Optional strTemplateFile As String)

'Object Type Constants
  'acOutputDataAccessPage
  'acOutputForm
  'acOutputModule
  'acOutputQuery
  'acOutputReport
  'acOutputServerView
  'acOutputStoredProcedure
  'acOutputTable
'Output format Constants
  'acFormatASP
  'acFormatDAP
  'acFormatHTML
  'acFormatIIS
  'acFormatRTF
  'acFormatSNP
  'acFormatTXT
  'acFormatXLS


On Error GoTo HandleErr
    DoCmd.Hourglass True

    If strTemplateFile = "" Then
        DoCmd.OutputTo _
            ObjectType:=intObjectType, _
            ObjectName:=strObjectName, _
            OutputFormat:=intFormat, _
            OutputFile:=strOutputFile, _
            AutoStart:=bolAutoStart 'Preview Report
    Else
        DoCmd.OutputTo _
            ObjectType:=intObjectType, _
            ObjectName:=strObjectName, _
            OutputFormat:=intFormat, _
            OutputFile:=strOutputFile, _
            AutoStart:=bolAutoStart, _ 'Preview Report
            TemplateFile:=strTemplateFile
    End If

    DoCmd.Hourglass False

    MsgBox strObjectName & _
     " was successfully published to the " & _
     strOutputFile & " file.", _
     vbInformation + vbOKOnly, "PublishObject Sub"
ExitHere:

    Exit Sub

' Error handling block added by Error Handler Add-In. DO NOT EDIT this block
of code.
' Automatic error handler last updated at 11-30-2002 12:02:35
'ErrorHandler:$$D=11-30-2002    'ErrorHandler:$$T=12:02:35
HandleErr:
    Select Case Err.Number
        Case Else
            MsgBox "Error " & Err.Number & ": " & Err.Description,
vbCritical, "basPublish.PublishOPObject"
'ErrorHandler:$$N=basPublish.PublishOPObject
            'Log Error
            Call ErrorRecordSystem(Err.Number, Err.Description, Now,
"Un-Expected Error In Proc; " & "basPublish.PublishOPObject", CurrentUser)
'ErrorHandler:$$N=basPublish.PublishOPObject
            DoCmd.Hourglass False
            Resume ExitHere:
    End Select
' End Error handling block.
End Sub



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 9:42 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Snapshot question continued


I clicked Send too quickly. My second question is, can I save a report to a
snapshot without previewing it? I just want to create the SNP file and
attach it to an email. Since there could be 100 reports going out at once, I
certainly don't want to force the user to preview and close each one in
turn!

TIA,
Arthur

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From bbruen at bigpond.com  Mon May 26 08:53:48 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 23:53:48 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Snapshot Viewer question
In-Reply-To: <017701c3238b$1b6a8d60$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <000301c3238e$3c4e2bb0$5900a8c0@bbb888>

Arthur,

Following is from my code library - don't know the source - apologies to
the author.

Bruce

The following example outputs a snapshot file to disk or embedded in a
mail message depending on the value supplied in the intOutputTO
argument. There are two global constants defined in the declarations
section of the module that are used to specify the type of output
desired. If the intOutputTO argument contains the constant
conSaveSnapshotToDisk, then the file is saved using the location and
file name supplied in the strPath argument. If the intOutputTO argument
contains the constant conSaveSnapshotToMail, then the file is embedded
in a mail message addressed to the name supplied in the strRecipName
argument. The strName argument is the name of a Report object in the
current database. The strPath argument is the full path and file name
representing the snapshot file to be saved to disk.

Const conSaveSnapshotToDisk As Integer = 1
Const conSaveSnapshotToMail As Integer = 2

Sub OutputSnapshotFile(intOutputTO As Integer, _
    strName As String, Optional strPath As String, _
    Optional strRecipName As String)

    Dim strOutputFormat As String
    DoCmd.Hourglass True
    strOutputFormat = "Snapshot Format"

    Select Case intOutputTO
        Case conSaveSnapshotToDisk
            If Len(strPath) > 0 Then
                DoCmd.OutputTo acOutputReport, _
                    strName, strOutputFormat, strPath
            Else
                DoCmd.Hourglass False
                Exit Sub
            End If
        Case conSaveSnapshotToMail
            If Len(strRecipName) > 0 Then
                DoCmd.SendObject acSendReport, _
                    strName, strOutputFormat, strRecipName
            Else
                DoCmd.Hourglass False
                Exit Sub
            End If
        Case Else
    End Select
    DoCmd.Hourglass False
End Sub

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 11:31 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Snapshot Viewer question


How do you save a report as a snapshot programmatically? I think I've
done it years ago but can't remember how.

TIA,
Arthur

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From artful at rogers.com  Mon May 26 08:54:25 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 09:54:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Listbox question
Message-ID: <017a01c3238e$522599f0$8e01a8c0@Rock>

How do you programmatically select all items in a listbox?

TIA,
Arthur


From papparuff at attbi.com  Mon May 26 08:54:53 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 06:54:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Snapshot question continued
In-Reply-To: <017801c3238c$a30010f0$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <000301c3238e$623b5690$6401a8c0@papparuff>

This should work for you

    DoCmd.OutputTo _
            ObjectType:=acOutputReport, _
            ObjectName:="rptMyReport", _
            OutputFormat:=acFormatSNP, _
            OutputFile:="c:\myreport.snp"

John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
Always Looking For Contract Opportunities

Home: 253.588.2139
Cell: 253.307.2947
9306 Farwest Dr SW
Lakewood, WA 98498

"Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
                and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 6:42 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Snapshot question continued


I clicked Send too quickly. My second question is, can I save a report
to a snapshot without previewing it? I just want to create the SNP file
and attach it to an email. Since there could be 100 reports going out at
once, I certainly don't want to force the user to preview and close each
one in turn!

TIA,
Arthur

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http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From papparuff at attbi.com  Mon May 26 08:58:45 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 06:58:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Listbox question
In-Reply-To: <017a01c3238e$522599f0$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <000401c3238e$ecec1950$6401a8c0@papparuff>


    Dim varItm As Variant
    
    If lstDealer.ListCount - 1 = 0 Then
        MsgBox "There are no Dealers on the List"
    Else
 
        For varItm = 0 To lstDealer.ListCount - 1
            lstDealer.Selected(varItm) = False
        Next varItm
    End If


John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
Always Looking For Contract Opportunities

Home: 253.588.2139
Cell: 253.307.2947
9306 Farwest Dr SW
Lakewood, WA 98498

"Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
                and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 6:54 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Listbox question


How do you programmatically select all items in a listbox?

TIA,
Arthur

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From papparuff at attbi.com  Mon May 26 09:02:18 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 07:02:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Listbox question -OOPs
In-Reply-To: <017a01c3238e$522599f0$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <000501c3238f$6b78f310$6401a8c0@papparuff>

I gave you the code for de-selecting.  Here's the code for selecting

    Dim varItm As Variant
    
    If lstDealer.ListCount - 1 = 0 Then
        MsgBox "There are no Dealers on the List"
    Else
 
        For varItm = 0 To lstDealer.ListCount - 1
            lstDealer.Selected(varItm) = True
        Next varItm
    End If

John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
Always Looking For Contract Opportunities

Home: 253.588.2139
Cell: 253.307.2947
9306 Farwest Dr SW
Lakewood, WA 98498

"Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
                and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 6:54 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Listbox question


How do you programmatically select all items in a listbox?

TIA,
Arthur

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From bbruen at bigpond.com  Mon May 26 09:09:41 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 00:09:41 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Listbox question
In-Reply-To: <017a01c3238e$522599f0$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <000401c32390$73d30d60$5900a8c0@bbb888>

Dim x As Integer
    With Me.List0
        For x = 1 To .ListCount
            .Selected(x - 1) = True
        Next x
    End With

Wassa mattta Art - gotta work for a change? :-)

Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 11:54 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Listbox question


How do you programmatically select all items in a listbox?

TIA,
Arthur

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From artful at rogers.com  Mon May 26 09:49:40 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 10:49:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Listbox question
In-Reply-To: <000401c32390$73d30d60$5900a8c0@bbb888>
Message-ID: <017f01c32396$0a059370$8e01a8c0@Rock>

Love this list! A dozen solutions in a few minutes! Makes me look like I
know what I'm doing :-) My rates are high because I'm an army of coders....

Thanks, all.
Arthur


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
Sent: May 26, 2003 10:10 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Listbox question


Dim x As Integer
    With Me.List0
        For x = 1 To .ListCount
            .Selected(x - 1) = True
        Next x
    End With

Wassa mattta Art - gotta work for a change? :-)

Bruce


From Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de  Mon May 26 09:56:47 2003
From: Lembit.Soobik at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 16:56:47 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Listbox question
References: <017f01c32396$0a059370$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <086401c32397$0db3d8f0$0300a8c0@S856>

love to hear that :)

Lembit Soobik

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 4:49 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Listbox question


> Love this list! A dozen solutions in a few minutes! Makes me look like I
> know what I'm doing :-) My rates are high because I'm an army of coders....
> 
> Thanks, all.
> Arthur
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
> Sent: May 26, 2003 10:10 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Listbox question
> 
> 
> Dim x As Integer
>     With Me.List0
>         For x = 1 To .ListCount
>             .Selected(x - 1) = True
>         Next x
>     End With
> 
> Wassa mattta Art - gotta work for a change? :-)
> 
> Bruce
> 
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


From artful at rogers.com  Mon May 26 09:58:05 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 10:58:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Snapshot question continued
In-Reply-To: <000301c3238e$623b5690$6401a8c0@papparuff>
Message-ID: <018001c32397$365d3da0$8e01a8c0@Rock>

How do you pass a WhereCondition into your nicely concise code?

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Ruff
Sent: May 26, 2003 9:55 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Snapshot question continued


This should work for you

    DoCmd.OutputTo _
            ObjectType:=acOutputReport, _
            ObjectName:="rptMyReport", _
            OutputFormat:=acFormatSNP, _
            OutputFile:="c:\myreport.snp"



From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon May 26 10:31:19 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 17:31:19 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Listbox question
In-Reply-To: <017f01c32396$0a059370$8e01a8c0@Rock>
References: <017f01c32396$0a059370$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <10120206855.20030526173119@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

> Love this list! A dozen solutions in a few minutes! Makes me look like I
> know what I'm doing :-) My rates are high because I'm an army of coders....

Hey, they all forgot to watch for the property ColumnHeads which adds
one to ListCount and removes ListIndex 0 from your list of usable list
values.

I use Abs(lst.ColumnHeads) to compensate for this like:

   With Me.List0
     For x = Abs(.ColumnHeads) To .ListCount - 1
       .Selected(x) = True
     Next x
   End With

Yes, I know you "never" use column heads ...

/gustav


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
> Sent: May 26, 2003 10:10 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Listbox question

> Dim x As Integer
>     With Me.List0
>         For x = 1 To .ListCount
>             .Selected(x - 1) = True
>         Next x
>     End With


From artful at rogers.com  Mon May 26 10:53:04 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 11:53:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Listbox question
In-Reply-To: <10120206855.20030526173119@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <018e01c3239e$e5076d60$8e01a8c0@Rock>

Actually I frequently do use column heads, although in this particular case
I'm not. Thanks for the heads-up!

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: May 26, 2003 11:31 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Listbox question


Hi Arthur

Hey, they all forgot to watch for the property ColumnHeads which adds one to
ListCount and removes ListIndex 0 from your list of usable list values.



From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon May 26 11:15:27 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 18:15:27 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] SAP Partnership Agreement with MySQL
Message-ID: <13922855093.20030526181527@cactus.dk>

Hi all

This has just been announced.
Choose the link at "Letter":

Letter to SAP DB Customers regarding Partnership
Agreement with MySQL
(May 26, 2003)

/gustav


From papparuff at attbi.com  Mon May 26 11:15:49 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 09:15:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Snapshot question continued
In-Reply-To: <018001c32397$365d3da0$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <000001c323a2$127d6df0$6401a8c0@papparuff>

You can't.  You must use the report's recordsource to filter the records
to print. The recordsource needs to be a query and the records in the
query that you want to select from must come from those selected on the
form.  So your SQL statement in the query might look something like
this:

SELECT * FROM tblOrders _
	WHERE OrderDate >= Forms!frmMyForm!FromDate _
	and OrderDate <= Forms!frmMyForm!ThruDate


John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
Always Looking For Contract Opportunities

Home: 253.588.2139
Cell: 253.307.2947
9306 Farwest Dr SW
Lakewood, WA 98498

"Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
                and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 7:58 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Snapshot question continued


How do you pass a WhereCondition into your nicely concise code?

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Ruff
Sent: May 26, 2003 9:55 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Snapshot question continued


This should work for you

    DoCmd.OutputTo _
            ObjectType:=acOutputReport, _
            ObjectName:="rptMyReport", _
            OutputFormat:=acFormatSNP, _
            OutputFile:="c:\myreport.snp"


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Mon May 26 11:18:56 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 18:18:56 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] SAP Partnership Agreement with MySQL
In-Reply-To: <13922855093.20030526181527@cactus.dk>
References: <13922855093.20030526181527@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <7323063333.20030526181856@cactus.dk>

Oops, forgot the URL:

  http://www.sapdb.org/

/gustav

---

From: Gustav Brock <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Date: Monday, May 26, 2003, 6:15:27 PM
Subject: SAP Partnership Agreement with MySQL

Hi all

This has just been announced.
Choose the link at "Letter":

Letter to SAP DB Customers regarding Partnership
Agreement with MySQL
(May 26, 2003)


From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Mon May 26 12:45:55 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: 26 May 2003 18:45:55 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT Outlook
Message-ID: <200305261745.SAA09635@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

Got this question today. Any help appreciated.

Where more than one staff member uses Outlook on a PC it is possible
to see the contents of their colleague's inbox even if that account is
password protected. Again I suspect MS Exchange would get round this.

Martin

From skirlic at tbmc.com  Mon May 26 12:59:36 2003
From: skirlic at tbmc.com (Sead Kirlic)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 12:59:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] COMBO BOX
Message-ID: <000001c323b0$94f11670$1400a8c0@skirlicwork>

Hi everybody,

How can I get my Combo Box, which looks up for the values in the table
"tblJobs" (Job ID, Job # and Current Job - Yes/No) to display only current
jobs?

 

S. Kirlic

 

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From papparuff at attbi.com  Mon May 26 13:02:20 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 11:02:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] COMBO BOX
In-Reply-To: <000001c323b0$94f11670$1400a8c0@skirlicwork>
Message-ID: <000b01c323b0$f415ee00$6401a8c0@papparuff>

Select [Job ID], [Job #] FROM tblJobs WHERE [Current Job]=True
 
 
 

John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-) 
Always Looking For Contract Opportunities 

Home: 253.588.2139 
Cell: 253.307.2947 
9306 Farwest Dr SW 
Lakewood, WA 98498 

"Commit to the Lord whatever you do, 
                and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Sead Kirlic
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 11:00 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] COMBO BOX



Hi everybody,

How can I get my Combo Box, which looks up for the values in the table
"tblJobs" (Job ID, Job # and Current Job - Yes/No) to display only
current jobs?

 

S. Kirlic

 

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From sgoodhall at comcast.net  Mon May 26 13:05:04 2003
From: sgoodhall at comcast.net (Steve Goodhall)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 14:05:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 OutputTo HTML Formatting
In-Reply-To: <web-976228@rems05.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <GGEJLPBDCMFILPFNBMLPMEJPCJAA.sgoodhall@comcast.net>

Another option is to first export to RTF, then open the RTF file in M$Word
and store as HTML.  This will give you a single HTML file containing the
entire report.  If you do OLE automation, you can do all of it under program
control.

Regards,

Steve Goodhall


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Allen
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 10:31 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Acc97 OutputTo HTML Formatting


Thanks Charles. I agree, .rtf is probably a better option
for what they're wanting to do. I'm going to press again
for a move to .rtf. Otherwise, I'll write a program to
modify the HTML files directly.

Ron

On Fri, 23 May 2003 09:10:49 -0500
  "Wortz, Charles" <CWortz at tea.state.tx.us> wrote:
>Ron,
>
>If you want it as one big file instead of a file per
>page, then export
>it as RTF instead of HTML.  If RTF is not an option for
>you, then my
>next suggestion is to use an HTML editor to paste the
>files back
>together as one.  And if that is not an option either,
>then you can do
>it by hand.  The HTML code is easy to modify.
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From sgoodhall at comcast.net  Mon May 26 13:05:05 2003
From: sgoodhall at comcast.net (Steve Goodhall)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 14:05:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT Outlook
In-Reply-To: <200305261745.SAA09635@hosea.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <GGEJLPBDCMFILPFNBMLPOEJPCJAA.sgoodhall@comcast.net>

I am replying without testing this, so some of the details may need
tweaking.  To protect mailboxes:

1. Run a Windows version that supports file level permissions (2000 or XP
using NTFS)
2. Give each user a separate login.
3. Use security policies to lock up each users OST, PST and PAB.

You may wish to lock up each users entire My Documents and Application Data
directories.

Regards,

Steve Goodhall

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 1:46 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT Outlook


Got this question today. Any help appreciated.

Where more than one staff member uses Outlook on a PC it is possible
to see the contents of their colleague's inbox even if that account is
password protected. Again I suspect MS Exchange would get round this.

Martin
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From skirlic at tbmc.com  Mon May 26 13:22:48 2003
From: skirlic at tbmc.com (Sead Kirlic)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 13:22:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Combo Box
Message-ID: <000801c323b3$d32a0390$1400a8c0@skirlicwork>

Hi everybody,

How can I get my Combo Box, which looks up for the values in the table
"tblJobs" (Job ID, Job # and Current Job - Yes/No) to display only current
jobs?

 

S. Kirlic

 

 

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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Mon May 26 18:27:18 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 09:27:18 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Basic Design Question
Message-ID: <013a01c323de$597f6960$3c619a89@DDICK>

Hello all
 I have a continuous form that has varying recordsets.
Pretty much the same data but with things like...
Show for a Date or a Date Range Show for Completed/ Not Completed
Show for Future/Past/Next week etc etc. All held in tblReminders

I have a set of options all held in tblOptions.
I want the settings kept in the options table to be presented to the user in the
footer of the continuous form. But I can't get the 2 together because they have
no matching record. I can't put the options in a sub form because you can't have 
a sub form in a continuous form.
I though about a union query but that means I would have to manage all the 
current RecordSet setting in pure SQL  - I'm not good enough for that.

Anyway how do you guys handle these situations?

Many thanks in advance

Darren



From harkins at iglou.com  Mon May 26 18:40:08 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 19:40:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Basic Design Question
References: <013a01c323de$597f6960$3c619a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <003401c323e0$26a04530$9ae6ffcc@SusanOne>

You're specifying these options for each record in the continuous form?  If
that's the case, why not just base the form on a multi-table query? I
probably don't understand the question. :)

Susan H.


> Hello all
>  I have a continuous form that has varying recordsets.
> Pretty much the same data but with things like...
> Show for a Date or a Date Range Show for Completed/ Not Completed
> Show for Future/Past/Next week etc etc. All held in tblReminders
>
> I have a set of options all held in tblOptions.
> I want the settings kept in the options table to be presented to the user
in the
> footer of the continuous form. But I can't get the 2 together because they
have
> no matching record. I can't put the options in a sub form because you
can't have
> a sub form in a continuous form.
> I though about a union query but that means I would have to manage all the
> current RecordSet setting in pure SQL  - I'm not good enough for that.
>
> Anyway how do you guys handle these situations?
>
> Many thanks in advance
>
> Darren
>
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon May 26 18:41:25 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 19:41:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Basic Design Question
In-Reply-To: <013a01c323de$597f6960$3c619a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPGEBLDOAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

How much info in this option table?  Can it go in a combo or list control?

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 7:27 PM
To: AccessD List
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Basic Design Question


Hello all
 I have a continuous form that has varying recordsets.
Pretty much the same data but with things like...
Show for a Date or a Date Range Show for Completed/ Not Completed
Show for Future/Past/Next week etc etc. All held in tblReminders

I have a set of options all held in tblOptions.
I want the settings kept in the options table to be presented to the user in
the
footer of the continuous form. But I can't get the 2 together because they
have
no matching record. I can't put the options in a sub form because you can't
have
a sub form in a continuous form.
I though about a union query but that means I would have to manage all the
current RecordSet setting in pure SQL  - I'm not good enough for that.

Anyway how do you guys handle these situations?

Many thanks in advance

Darren


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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Mon May 26 19:03:13 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 10:03:13 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Basic Design Question
References: <013a01c323de$597f6960$3c619a89@DDICK>
	<003401c323e0$26a04530$9ae6ffcc@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <016801c323e3$5d96ad10$3c619a89@DDICK>

Hi Susan
Thanks for the reply
tblReminders has hundreds of records in it with about 7 or 8 fields.
tblOptions will only ever have 1 record in it with about 5 or 6 fields.

Nothing in tblOptions relates to anything in tbleReminders.
tblReminders has date, time, YesNo flags and text fields that hold info about appointments.

tblOptions has similar fields but hold local settings info eg how long a timer interval is
the path for various logos, paths for sound files etc. There will only ever be one record in this
table

Thanks again

Darren




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Harkins" <harkins at iglou.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K: Basic Design Question


> You're specifying these options for each record in the continuous form?  If
> that's the case, why not just base the form on a multi-table query? I
> probably don't understand the question. :)
> 
> Susan H.
> 
> 
> > Hello all
> >  I have a continuous form that has varying recordsets.
> > Pretty much the same data but with things like...
> > Show for a Date or a Date Range Show for Completed/ Not Completed
> > Show for Future/Past/Next week etc etc. All held in tblReminders
> >
> > I have a set of options all held in tblOptions.
> > I want the settings kept in the options table to be presented to the user
> in the
> > footer of the continuous form. But I can't get the 2 together because they
> have
> > no matching record. I can't put the options in a sub form because you
> can't have
> > a sub form in a continuous form.
> > I though about a union query but that means I would have to manage all the
> > current RecordSet setting in pure SQL  - I'm not good enough for that.
> >
> > Anyway how do you guys handle these situations?
> >
> > Many thanks in advance
> >
> > Darren
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
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From doug at murphyscreativity.com  Mon May 26 20:01:31 2003
From: doug at murphyscreativity.com (Doug Murphy)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 18:01:31 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] HyperLinks
In-Reply-To: <016801c323e3$5d96ad10$3c619a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <000501c323eb$834c0570$8500a8c0@CX615377a>

Hello List,

I have a question on the use of hyperlinks to point to files.  I have a
database that exists in a directory; C:\My Files\DBdirectory for
example.  In this directory there is a subdirectory holding files.  The
database has a table with a hyperlink field in it that contains the
relative path to a file in the subdirectory.  In other words the path to
a file might be subdirectory\filename.  

It is my understanding that the hyperlink should contain the full path
to a file such as C:\My Files\DBdirectory\subdirectory\File name.  The
interesting thing is if I double click on the hyperlink the file will
open even though the hyperlink holds only the path relative to the
database.  Is this the way it is supposed to work or is this a feature
of hyperlinks in being able to resolve relative paths?

The reason I ask is that I am trying to extract the path to the file
from the hyperlink and do a file copy.  This doesn't work with the
relative path as you would expect.  If there is more info in the
hyperlink than I am extracting that would give the full path how do I
get to it?

Thanks.

Doug








From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon May 26 19:51:29 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 17:51:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] HyperLinks
In-Reply-To: <000501c323eb$834c0570$8500a8c0@CX615377a>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFGENJCIAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Doug:

There are kind of links, the relative or virtual link, that is the kind you
have in your database and absolute links. A relative link only works from a
known position, in this case your DB is in a known position (it knows where
it is in the relative scheme of things.) When you select a hyper-link within
the database it checks it and then prefixes the hyper-link with it's
location to create the full link.

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 6:02 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] HyperLinks


Hello List,

I have a question on the use of hyperlinks to point to files.  I have a
database that exists in a directory; C:\My Files\DBdirectory for
example.  In this directory there is a subdirectory holding files.  The
database has a table with a hyperlink field in it that contains the
relative path to a file in the subdirectory.  In other words the path to
a file might be subdirectory\filename.

It is my understanding that the hyperlink should contain the full path
to a file such as C:\My Files\DBdirectory\subdirectory\File name.  The
interesting thing is if I double click on the hyperlink the file will
open even though the hyperlink holds only the path relative to the
database.  Is this the way it is supposed to work or is this a feature
of hyperlinks in being able to resolve relative paths?

The reason I ask is that I am trying to extract the path to the file
from the hyperlink and do a file copy.  This doesn't work with the
relative path as you would expect.  If there is more info in the
hyperlink than I am extracting that would give the full path how do I
get to it?

Thanks.

Doug







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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon May 26 20:27:37 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 11:27:37 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Basic Design Question
In-Reply-To: <016801c323e3$5d96ad10$3c619a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <3ED34BA9.23144.9BF3F8@localhost>

On 27 May 2003 at 10:03, Darren DICK wrote:

> Hi Susan
> Thanks for the reply
> tblReminders has hundreds of records in it with about 7 or 8 fields.
> tblOptions will only ever have 1 record in it with about 5 or 6
> fields.
> 
> Nothing in tblOptions relates to anything in tbleReminders.
> tblReminders has date, time, YesNo flags and text fields that hold
> info about appointments.
> 
> tblOptions has similar fields but hold local settings info eg how long
> a timer interval is the path for various logos, paths for sound files
> etc. There will only ever be one record in this table
> 

Create a subform based on tblOptions and put that in the footer of 
the form based on tblReminders

.


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Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon May 26 20:29:21 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 11:29:21 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Basic Design Question
In-Reply-To: <013a01c323de$597f6960$3c619a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <3ED34C11.11501.9D8A92@localhost>

On 27 May 2003 at 9:27, Darren DICK wrote:

> Hello all
>  I have a continuous form that has varying recordsets.
> Pretty much the same data but with things like...
> Show for a Date or a Date Range Show for Completed/ Not Completed Show
> for Future/Past/Next week etc etc. All held in tblReminders
> 
> I have a set of options all held in tblOptions.
> I want the settings kept in the options table to be presented to the
> user in the footer of the continuous form. But I can't get the 2
> together because they have no matching record. 

Just don't specify Link fields leave them blank.

>I can't put the options
> in a sub form because you can't have a sub form in a continuous form.

You can in the footer.



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Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From selina at easydatabases.com.au  Mon May 26 21:51:43 2003
From: selina at easydatabases.com.au (Selina Iddon)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 12:51:43 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Calendar/Diary form/report
References: <3ED34C11.11501.9D8A92@localhost>
Message-ID: <005a01c323fa$e87a2120$6465000a@venus>

Hi Everyone

I have a client who wants to have a diary like Outlook build into their
access database so the personnell can be listed across the top (a column for
each) and the times down the left, showing one date at a time.  Does anyone
know of any great add-ons that could help me out here?

Thanks
Selina



From bbruen at bigpond.com  Mon May 26 21:47:23 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 12:47:23 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Change both subform sourceobject and recordsource
Message-ID: <000001c323fa$4d4d65e0$ca00a8c0@bbb888>

Dear List,

I have a form that contains a changeable subform.  That is, the source
object of the subform is set on the fly by an option group button on the
main form. This works fine, the correct subform pops up as required.

Now I have a situation where one of the subforms (it's a generic list)
could be re-used for different record sources.  That is sometimes it
should list tblA, sometimes tblB, again dependent on which button the
user clicks.  The record sources are completely different, I cant use
filters.

My problem is how do I get the for to know which record source to use?
Normally, I would use an openargs value to achieve this, but as I'm
"opening" the form using a source object switch.

Some code may illustrate

Private Sub grpMain_Click()
    Select Case Me.grpMain
        Case 1: Me.subMain.SourceObject = "frmLoadLog"
        Case 2: Me.subMain.SourceObject = "frmReviewLoad"
        Case 3: Me.subMain.SourceObject = "frmActive1"
        Case 4: Me.subMain.SourceObject = "frmActive1"
        Case 9: DoCmd.Close
    End Select
End Sub

My problem is with case 4.  This is the subform I want to reuse.  
My mind has gone completely blank on this (some would say "small
change"). I just cannot see how I can send frmActive1 some sort of
indicator to change its record source from tblA to tblB.

Any thoughts?

Bruce


From bbruen at bigpond.com  Mon May 26 21:52:58 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 12:52:58 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Hyperlink screen scraping
Message-ID: <000101c323fb$15100240$ca00a8c0@bbb888>

Dear List,

I am sure we have covered this before (Seth?) but I cannot find anything
in the archives (probably cant set a good keyword).

The database has a text field containing a hyperlink.  When the user
clicks a command button on a form showing the address I want to download
the hyperlink document and save the contents of the page in a memo field
for later scraping and processing.

How is this done? Follow and FollowHyperlink just open IE.  Is there
something I am missing (apart from that!)


Tia
Bruce


From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Mon May 26 22:14:19 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 23:14:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Change both subform sourceobject and recordsource
References: <000001c323fa$4d4d65e0$ca00a8c0@bbb888>
Message-ID: <00f301c323fe$11534100$6401a8c0@default>

Hi Bruce,

Unless someone knows better ...
It looks like you'd have to open the source object
in design view (hidden) and set it's recordsource,
save it, and then open it in the main form.

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bruce Bruen" <bbruen at bigpond.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 10:47 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Change both subform sourceobject and recordsource


> Dear List,
> 
> I have a form that contains a changeable subform.  That is, the source
> object of the subform is set on the fly by an option group button on the
> main form. This works fine, the correct subform pops up as required.
> 
> Now I have a situation where one of the subforms (it's a generic list)
> could be re-used for different record sources.  That is sometimes it
> should list tblA, sometimes tblB, again dependent on which button the
> user clicks.  The record sources are completely different, I cant use
> filters.
> 
> My problem is how do I get the for to know which record source to use?
> Normally, I would use an openargs value to achieve this, but as I'm
> "opening" the form using a source object switch.
> 
> Some code may illustrate
> 
> Private Sub grpMain_Click()
>     Select Case Me.grpMain
>         Case 1: Me.subMain.SourceObject = "frmLoadLog"
>         Case 2: Me.subMain.SourceObject = "frmReviewLoad"
>         Case 3: Me.subMain.SourceObject = "frmActive1"
>         Case 4: Me.subMain.SourceObject = "frmActive1"
>         Case 9: DoCmd.Close
>     End Select
> End Sub
> 
> My problem is with case 4.  This is the subform I want to reuse.  
> My mind has gone completely blank on this (some would say "small
> change"). I just cannot see how I can send frmActive1 some sort of
> indicator to change its record source from tblA to tblB.
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Bruce
> 
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Mon May 26 22:29:10 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 20:29:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Hyperlink screen scraping
References: <000101c323fb$15100240$ca00a8c0@bbb888>
Message-ID: <3ED2DB86.8050100@shaw.ca>

There are at least 3 ways to do this WinHttp, Inet Api's and XMLHttp. 
These all may require an install or a specific version of IE. It depends 
on what type of document you want to download a jpeg, a word Doc, text 
file or html. It also depends on what OS you want to deploy on. I would 
probably put the download into an OLE field and only use text into a 
memo field.

Bruce Bruen wrote:

>Dear List,
>
>I am sure we have covered this before (Seth?) but I cannot find anything
>in the archives (probably cant set a good keyword).
>
>The database has a text field containing a hyperlink.  When the user
>clicks a command button on a form showing the address I want to download
>the hyperlink document and save the contents of the page in a memo field
>for later scraping and processing.
>
>How is this done? Follow and FollowHyperlink just open IE.  Is there
>something I am missing (apart from that!)
>
>
>Tia
>Bruce
>
>
>  
>



From viner at eunet.yu  Mon May 26 23:57:48 2003
From: viner at eunet.yu (Ervin Brindza)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 06:57:48 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Calendar/Diary form/report
References: <3ED34C11.11501.9D8A92@localhost>
	<005a01c323fa$e87a2120$6465000a@venus>
Message-ID: <007701c3240c$8cfb6900$0100a8c0@razvoj>

Selina,
check Anita Smith's calendar application http://www.ddisolutions.com.au
Ervin

----- Original Message -----
From: "Iddon" <selina at easydatabases.com.au>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: 27 May, 2003 4:51 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Calendar/Diary form/report


> Hi Everyone
>
> I have a client who wants to have a diary like Outlook build into their
> access database so the personnell can be listed across the top (a column
for
> each) and the times down the left, showing one date at a time.  Does
anyone
> know of any great add-ons that could help me out here?
>
> Thanks
> Selina
>
>
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From marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl  Tue May 27 03:11:21 2003
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl (marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 10:11:21 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Simple Event question, I guess
Message-ID: <OF0F6D3F0A.0261A2D3-ONC1256D33.002CCEEA@achmea.nl>


Dear group,

I am looking for the following. I have a ParentForm and within that
parentform I have two subforms. Now I want to do some validating when I
user leaves the parentform and enters one of the subforms. Any idea,
suggestion what event that is? or how I can solve that.

Greetz Marcel



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From ad_tp at hotmail.com  Tue May 27 04:09:50 2003
From: ad_tp at hotmail.com (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:39:50 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Change both subform sourceobject and recordsource
References: <000001c323fa$4d4d65e0$ca00a8c0@bbb888>
	<00f301c323fe$11534100$6401a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <Law9-OE432GRgliADEC0001e3f3@hotmail.com>

Bruce,

    Let MySF be the name of SubForm control, "MyForm" the name of form serving as source object for MySF and "MyQ" the name of saved query or table serving as record source for "MyForm". You could try the following code (from the parent form) -

    MySF.SourceObject = "MyForm"
    MySF.Form.RecordSource = "MyQ"

    This will effect the desired changes at run time.

Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Michael R Mattys 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 08:44
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change both subform sourceobject and recordsource


  Hi Bruce,

  Unless someone knows better ...
  It looks like you'd have to open the source object
  in design view (hidden) and set it's recordsource,
  save it, and then open it in the main form.

  Michael R. Mattys
  www.mattysconsulting.com

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Bruce Bruen" <bbruen at bigpond.com>
  To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
  Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 10:47 PM
  Subject: [AccessD] Change both subform sourceobject and recordsource


  > Dear List,
  > 
  > I have a form that contains a changeable subform.  That is, the source
  > object of the subform is set on the fly by an option group button on the
  > main form. This works fine, the correct subform pops up as required.
  > 
  > Now I have a situation where one of the subforms (it's a generic list)
  > could be re-used for different record sources.  That is sometimes it
  > should list tblA, sometimes tblB, again dependent on which button the
  > user clicks.  The record sources are completely different, I cant use
  > filters.
  > 
  > My problem is how do I get the for to know which record source to use?
  > Normally, I would use an openargs value to achieve this, but as I'm
  > "opening" the form using a source object switch.
  > 
  > Some code may illustrate
  > 
  > Private Sub grpMain_Click()
  >     Select Case Me.grpMain
  >         Case 1: Me.subMain.SourceObject = "frmLoadLog"
  >         Case 2: Me.subMain.SourceObject = "frmReviewLoad"
  >         Case 3: Me.subMain.SourceObject = "frmActive1"
  >         Case 4: Me.subMain.SourceObject = "frmActive1"
  >         Case 9: DoCmd.Close
  >     End Select
  > End Sub
  > 
  > My problem is with case 4.  This is the subform I want to reuse.  
  > My mind has gone completely blank on this (some would say "small
  > change"). I just cannot see how I can send frmActive1 some sort of
  > indicator to change its record source from tblA to tblB.
  > 
  > Any thoughts?
  > 
  > Bruce

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From marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl  Tue May 27 04:43:09 2003
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl (marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 11:43:09 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Looping through forms
Message-ID: <OFBCAACAA0.851C1337-ONC1256D33.00351DF6@achmea.nl>

Dear group,

Does anyone know how I can achieve the following.

I want to loop through all the forms and reports available in the database.
Then for each form loop through all the controls and save of each control
the controltype, caption, text, defaultvalue, format, fieldtype in a table.
I want to do this because I have weird things with controls that suddenly
behave strange. That way I can check the current controls properties with
their previous properties.


THanks,

In advance.

Marcel Vreuls






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From bbruen at bigpond.com  Tue May 27 05:20:54 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 20:20:54 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Change both subform sourceobject and recordsource
In-Reply-To: <Law9-OE432GRgliADEC0001e3f3@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000501c32439$a8861080$ca00a8c0@bbb888>

Thanks A.D that is what I needed!
 
Bruce
 
(Actually, what I need is a packet of "Obvious Pills"  :-)
 
 
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 7:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change both subform sourceobject and recordsource



Bruce,
 
    Let MySF be the name of SubForm control, "MyForm" the name of form
serving as source object for MySF and "MyQ" the name of saved query or
table serving as record source for "MyForm". You could try the following
code (from the parent form) -
 
    MySF.SourceObject = "MyForm"
    MySF.Form.RecordSource = "MyQ"
 
    This will effect the desired changes at run time.
 
Regards,
A.D.Tejpal
--------------

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Michael R Mattys <mailto:michael.mattys at adelphia.net>  
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 08:44
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Change both subform sourceobject and recordsource

Hi Bruce,

Unless someone knows better ...
It looks like you'd have to open the source object
in design view (hidden) and set it's recordsource,
save it, and then open it in the main form.

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bruce Bruen" <bbruen at bigpond.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 10:47 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Change both subform sourceobject and recordsource


> Dear List,
> 
> I have a form that contains a changeable subform.  That is, the source
> object of the subform is set on the fly by an option group button on
the
> main form. This works fine, the correct subform pops up as required.
> 
> Now I have a situation where one of the subforms (it's a generic list)
> could be re-used for different record sources.  That is sometimes it
> should list tblA, sometimes tblB, again dependent on which button the
> user clicks.  The record sources are completely different, I cant use
> filters.
> 
> My problem is how do I get the for to know which record source to use?
> Normally, I would use an openargs value to achieve this, but as I'm
> "opening" the form using a source object switch.
> 
> Some code may illustrate
> 
> Private Sub grpMain_Click()
>     Select Case Me.grpMain
>         Case 1: Me.subMain.SourceObject = "frmLoadLog"
>         Case 2: Me.subMain.SourceObject = "frmReviewLoad"
>         Case 3: Me.subMain.SourceObject = "frmActive1"
>         Case 4: Me.subMain.SourceObject = "frmActive1"
>         Case 9: DoCmd.Close
>     End Select
> End Sub
> 
> My problem is with case 4.  This is the subform I want to reuse.  
> My mind has gone completely blank on this (some would say "small
> change"). I just cannot see how I can send frmActive1 some sort of
> indicator to change its record source from tblA to tblB.
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Bruce


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From bbruen at bigpond.com  Tue May 27 05:39:51 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 20:39:51 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Hyperlink screen scraping
In-Reply-To: <3ED2DB86.8050100@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <000a01c3243c$4e8320c0$ca00a8c0@bbb888>

Thanks Marty.....Urrgh to much information

The pages we are tryinng to retrieve are "pure" html ( with some
unwanted pictures ). Primarily, they are vendor price lists we are
trying to monitor against benchmarks for PC componentry.  One user, say
"Fred" is after motherboard prices. He builds a list of vendor sites and
runs a daily check on the supply price for the model(s) he is looking
for.  Most of the time is spent clicking on a "favourites", waiting for
the page to load and copying the days prices into his pricing models.
What we would like to do is kick off the "download" in the morning, grab
all the pages while he's getting a coffee and then show them one at a
time and Fred can highlight any lines he wants and then we'll scrape
that bit off the page and paste it in his models.

What choice do you suggest.  I note that the XML route would be the
technopolitic right way - but the vendors aren't necessarily agreed
suppliers - in fact in general its just the opposite!, we are trying to
keep the agreed suppliers on their toes. (Also note that my Polish isn't
up to scratch re Inet API - or did I get the wrong site baby?)  Finally,
if WinHttp is the go, do you know of a site that's a bit more to the
point of our problem rather than the MSDN pages(and pages and pages and
......

Yet again
tia
Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:29 
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hyperlink screen scraping


There are at least 3 ways to do this WinHttp, Inet Api's and XMLHttp. 
These all may require an install or a specific version of IE. It depends

on what type of document you want to download a jpeg, a word Doc, text 
file or html. It also depends on what OS you want to deploy on. I would 
probably put the download into an OLE field and only use text into a 
memo field.

Bruce Bruen wrote:

>Dear List,
>
>I am sure we have covered this before (Seth?) but I cannot find 
>anything in the archives (probably cant set a good keyword).
>
>The database has a text field containing a hyperlink.  When the user 
>clicks a command button on a form showing the address I want to 
>download the hyperlink document and save the contents of the page in a 
>memo field for later scraping and processing.
>
>How is this done? Follow and FollowHyperlink just open IE.  Is there 
>something I am missing (apart from that!)
>
>
>Tia
>Bruce
>
>
>  
>


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From bbruen at bigpond.com  Tue May 27 06:16:23 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 21:16:23 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Hyperlink screen scraping
In-Reply-To: <000a01c3243c$4e8320c0$ca00a8c0@bbb888>
Message-ID: <001001c32441$68eef1f0$ca00a8c0@bbb888>

On further reflection XMLHttp looks like the way to go....just stepping
into the MSXML documentation now... If I'm not back in 3 weeks could
someone please feed the kids.... :-)

Will report back!
Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 8:40 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Hyperlink screen scraping


Thanks Marty.....Urrgh to much information

The pages we are tryinng to retrieve are "pure" html ( with some
unwanted pictures ). Primarily, they are vendor price lists we are
trying to monitor against benchmarks for PC componentry.  One user, say
"Fred" is after motherboard prices. He builds a list of vendor sites and
runs a daily check on the supply price for the model(s) he is looking
for.  Most of the time is spent clicking on a "favourites", waiting for
the page to load and copying the days prices into his pricing models.
What we would like to do is kick off the "download" in the morning, grab
all the pages while he's getting a coffee and then show them one at a
time and Fred can highlight any lines he wants and then we'll scrape
that bit off the page and paste it in his models.

What choice do you suggest.  I note that the XML route would be the
technopolitic right way - but the vendors aren't necessarily agreed
suppliers - in fact in general its just the opposite!, we are trying to
keep the agreed suppliers on their toes. (Also note that my Polish isn't
up to scratch re Inet API - or did I get the wrong site baby?)  Finally,
if WinHttp is the go, do you know of a site that's a bit more to the
point of our problem rather than the MSDN pages(and pages and pages and
......

Yet again
tia
Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:29 
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hyperlink screen scraping


There are at least 3 ways to do this WinHttp, Inet Api's and XMLHttp. 
These all may require an install or a specific version of IE. It depends

on what type of document you want to download a jpeg, a word Doc, text 
file or html. It also depends on what OS you want to deploy on. I would 
probably put the download into an OLE field and only use text into a 
memo field.

Bruce Bruen wrote:

>Dear List,
>
>I am sure we have covered this before (Seth?) but I cannot find
>anything in the archives (probably cant set a good keyword).
>
>The database has a text field containing a hyperlink.  When the user
>clicks a command button on a form showing the address I want to 
>download the hyperlink document and save the contents of the page in a 
>memo field for later scraping and processing.
>
>How is this done? Follow and FollowHyperlink just open IE.  Is there
>something I am missing (apart from that!)
>
>
>Tia
>Bruce
>
>
>  
>


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From mitsules_ms at nns.com  Tue May 27 06:46:48 2003
From: mitsules_ms at nns.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 07:46:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Looping through forms
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29412@nnse14.nns.com>

For your purposes, will Tools/Analyze/Documenter work?


Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 5:43 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Looping through forms


Dear group,

Does anyone know how I can achieve the following.

I want to loop through all the forms and reports available in the database.
Then for each form loop through all the controls and save of each control
the controltype, caption, text, defaultvalue, format, fieldtype in a table.
I want to do this because I have weird things with controls that suddenly
behave strange. That way I can check the current controls properties with
their previous properties.


THanks,

In advance.

Marcel Vreuls






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From marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl  Tue May 27 07:00:13 2003
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl (marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:00:13 +0200
Subject: Betreft: RE: [AccessD] Looping through forms
Message-ID: <OFDEF171B4.91B1B463-ONC1256D33.0041C569@achmea.nl>

Hi Mark,

You are right then I have the documentation available. But than I have to
manualy compare the two documents on paper. That is something I do not want
because it takes up to much time and I can make mistakes.

Thanks,

marcel






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13:46:48

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Onderwerp:     RE: [AccessD] Looping through forms


For your purposes, will Tools/Analyze/Documenter work?


Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 5:43 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Looping through forms


Dear group,

Does anyone know how I can achieve the following.

I want to loop through all the forms and reports available in the database.
Then for each form loop through all the controls and save of each control
the controltype, caption, text, defaultvalue, format, fieldtype in a table.
I want to do this because I have weird things with controls that suddenly
behave strange. That way I can check the current controls properties with
their previous properties.


THanks,

In advance.

Marcel Vreuls






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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue May 27 07:17:50 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 08:17:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Simple Event question, I guess
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Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPIEDADOAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

The subform control has a OnEnter event.  To use this you would need to
create a generic validation routine and call it from all OnEnter events of
all subforms.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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Subject: [AccessD] Simple Event question, I guess



Dear group,

I am looking for the following. I have a ParentForm and within that
parentform I have two subforms. Now I want to do some validating when I
user leaves the parentform and enters one of the subforms. Any idea,
suggestion what event that is? or how I can solve that.

Greetz Marcel



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From bbruen at bigpond.com  Tue May 27 07:18:19 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 22:18:19 +1000
Subject: Betreft: RE: [AccessD] Looping through forms
In-Reply-To: <OFDEF171B4.91B1B463-ONC1256D33.0041C569@achmea.nl>
Message-ID: <001101c3244a$0fef0b90$ca00a8c0@bbb888>

Marcel, 

This may get you started....

Bruce

Public Sub enumFormProperties(oForm As Form)
'-----------------------------------------------------------------------
--
'
'   Description / Purpose :-
'       Lists all the form, section and control properties for the
'       supplied form in the debug window
'
'   Parameters:-
'       PARAMETER   TYPE                    COMMENTS
'       oForm       MSAccess Form Object
'
'   Return Value:-
'       None
'
'   Notes:-
'       The number of properties displayed is large.  When running this
'       sub you need to set breakpoints so that you can get the
information
'       you want.
'
'------------------------------------------------------------
'   Version     Dated               Author      Comment
'    1.0        16-May-03           Bruce       Original.
'============================================================
    
    Dim Prop As Property
    Dim formSection As Integer
    Dim formControl As Control
    
    On Error Resume Next
    
    Debug.Print "Processing Form Properties"
    For Each Prop In oForm.Properties
        Debug.Print "    "; Prop.Name;
        Debug.Print "=" & Prop.Value;
        Debug.Print " (" & GetPropType(Prop.Type) & ")";
        Debug.Print , Prop.Attributes;
        Debug.Print
    Next Prop
    Stop
    
    Debug.Print "Processing Form Sections"
    For formSection = 0 To 6
        Debug.Print "    Section " & formSection
        For Each Prop In oForm.Section(formSection).Properties
            Debug.Print "        "; Prop.Name;
            Debug.Print "=" & Prop.Value;
            Debug.Print " (" & GetPropType(Prop.Type) & ")";
            Debug.Print , Prop.Attributes;
            Debug.Print
        Next Prop
    Next formSection
    Stop
    
    Debug.Print "Processing Form Controls"
    For Each formControl In oForm
        Debug.Print "---- Control ----"
        For Each Prop In formControl.Properties
            Debug.Print Prop.Name;
            Debug.Print "=" & Prop.Value;
            Debug.Print " (" & GetPropType(Prop.Type) & ")";
            Debug.Print , Prop.Attributes;
            Debug.Print
        Next Prop
        Stop
    Next formControl
    Stop
End Sub

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:00 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Betreft: RE: [AccessD] Looping through forms


Hi Mark,

You are right then I have the documentation available. But than I have
to manualy compare the two documents on paper. That is something I do
not want because it takes up to much time and I can make mistakes.

Thanks,

marcel






"Mitsules, Mark" <mitsules_ms at nns.com>@databaseadvisors.com op
27-05-2003 13:46:48

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Onderwerp:     RE: [AccessD] Looping through forms


For your purposes, will Tools/Analyze/Documenter work?


Mark



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From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 5:43 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Looping through forms


Dear group,

Does anyone know how I can achieve the following.

I want to loop through all the forms and reports available in the
database. Then for each form loop through all the controls and save of
each control the controltype, caption, text, defaultvalue, format,
fieldtype in a table. I want to do this because I have weird things with
controls that suddenly behave strange. That way I can check the current
controls properties with their previous properties.


THanks,

In advance.

Marcel Vreuls






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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Tue May 27 07:20:28 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 07:20:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Simple Event question, I guess
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F8783B@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Marcel,

What do you want to validate?  If it is a datum on the parentform, why
not validate it in its own BeforeUpdate event?  If it is a relationship
between several data on the parentform, why not validate it in the
form's BeforeUpdate event?  If it is data on a subform, then use the
corresponding events of the subform.

If none of the above cover your situation, please explain in more
detail.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl] 
Sent: Tuesday 2003 May 27 03:11
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Simple Event question, I guess

Dear group,

I am looking for the following. I have a ParentForm and within that
parentform I have two subforms. Now I want to do some validating when I
user leaves the parentform and enters one of the subforms. Any idea,
suggestion what event that is? or how I can solve that.

Greetz Marcel

From marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl  Tue May 27 07:56:06 2003
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl (marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:56:06 +0200
Subject: Betreft: RE: Betreft: RE: [AccessD] Looping through forms
Message-ID: <OF17DA11E9.ED4B3FD4-ONC1256D33.0046EDD4@achmea.nl>

Hi Bruce,

I have some troubles with the prop.attributes. My access does not
understand this. What reference do I need??. I use W2K and A2K.
And what does the GetPropType section do? this is missing also.


Thanks,

Marcel




"Bruce Bruen" <bbruen at bigpond.com>@databaseadvisors.com op 27-05-2003
14:18:19

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Marcel,

This may get you started....

Bruce

Public Sub enumFormProperties(oForm As Form)
'-----------------------------------------------------------------------
--
'
'   Description / Purpose :-
'       Lists all the form, section and control properties for the
'       supplied form in the debug window
'
'   Parameters:-
'       PARAMETER   TYPE                    COMMENTS
'       oForm       MSAccess Form Object
'
'   Return Value:-
'       None
'
'   Notes:-
'       The number of properties displayed is large.  When running this
'       sub you need to set breakpoints so that you can get the
information
'       you want.
'
'------------------------------------------------------------
'   Version     Dated               Author      Comment
'    1.0        16-May-03           Bruce       Original.
'============================================================

    Dim Prop As Property
    Dim formSection As Integer
    Dim formControl As Control

    On Error Resume Next

    Debug.Print "Processing Form Properties"
    For Each Prop In oForm.Properties
        Debug.Print "    "; Prop.Name;
        Debug.Print "=" & Prop.Value;
        Debug.Print " (" & GetPropType(Prop.Type) & ")";
        Debug.Print , Prop.Attributes;
        Debug.Print
    Next Prop
    Stop

    Debug.Print "Processing Form Sections"
    For formSection = 0 To 6
        Debug.Print "    Section " & formSection
        For Each Prop In oForm.Section(formSection).Properties
            Debug.Print "        "; Prop.Name;
            Debug.Print "=" & Prop.Value;
            Debug.Print " (" & GetPropType(Prop.Type) & ")";
            Debug.Print , Prop.Attributes;
            Debug.Print
        Next Prop
    Next formSection
    Stop

    Debug.Print "Processing Form Controls"
    For Each formControl In oForm
        Debug.Print "---- Control ----"
        For Each Prop In formControl.Properties
            Debug.Print Prop.Name;
            Debug.Print "=" & Prop.Value;
            Debug.Print " (" & GetPropType(Prop.Type) & ")";
            Debug.Print , Prop.Attributes;
            Debug.Print
        Next Prop
        Stop
    Next formControl
    Stop
End Sub

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:00 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Betreft: RE: [AccessD] Looping through forms


Hi Mark,

You are right then I have the documentation available. But than I have
to manualy compare the two documents on paper. That is something I do
not want because it takes up to much time and I can make mistakes.

Thanks,

marcel






"Mitsules, Mark" <mitsules_ms at nns.com>@databaseadvisors.com op
27-05-2003 13:46:48

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Onderwerp:     RE: [AccessD] Looping through forms


For your purposes, will Tools/Analyze/Documenter work?

Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 5:43 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Looping through forms


Dear group,

Does anyone know how I can achieve the following.

I want to loop through all the forms and reports available in the
database. Then for each form loop through all the controls and save of
each control the controltype, caption, text, defaultvalue, format,
fieldtype in a table. I want to do this because I have weird things with
controls that suddenly behave strange. That way I can check the current
controls properties with their previous properties.


THanks,

In advance.

Marcel Vreuls






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From marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl  Tue May 27 08:13:35 2003
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl (marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 15:13:35 +0200
Subject: Betreft: RE: [AccessD] Simple Event question, I guess
Message-ID: <OF63E17A31.A2EE4666-ONC1256D33.00482BA3@achmea.nl>

Hi Charles,

The problem is the following. When putting the validation code in the
beforeupdate event it is being validated. The problem is that on field
level the required propery is TRUE and I get also that message if users do
not fill in that field. And it is one ugly message. So I have to validate
if there is a value in that field before going to another field or form.
The problem is that I do not know when they are going to this field, the
user can start somewhere else.

My guess is that there are two solutions. One is filling in a default value
in this field or removing the required property. Both solutions are not the
most beautifull but they seem to work.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Marcel Vreuls






"Wortz, Charles" <CWortz at tea.state.tx.us>@databaseadvisors.com op
27-05-2003 14:20:28

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Marcel,

What do you want to validate?  If it is a datum on the parentform, why
not validate it in its own BeforeUpdate event?  If it is a relationship
between several data on the parentform, why not validate it in the
form's BeforeUpdate event?  If it is data on a subform, then use the
corresponding events of the subform.

If none of the above cover your situation, please explain in more
detail.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
Sent: Tuesday 2003 May 27 03:11
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Simple Event question, I guess

Dear group,

I am looking for the following. I have a ParentForm and within that
parentform I have two subforms. Now I want to do some validating when I
user leaves the parentform and enters one of the subforms. Any idea,
suggestion what event that is? or how I can solve that.

Greetz Marcel
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From marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl  Tue May 27 08:14:29 2003
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl (marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 15:14:29 +0200
Subject: Betreft: RE: [AccessD] Simple Event question, I guess
Message-ID: <OFC06710C7.6D8A06EC-ONC1256D33.0048AD0B@achmea.nl>

John,

Thanks. This could work I will give it a try before putting in a default
value in the field.

Gr. marcel




"John Colby" <jcolby at colbyconsulting.com>@databaseadvisors.com op
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The subform control has a OnEnter event.  To use this you would need to
create a generic validation routine and call it from all OnEnter events of
all subforms.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 4:11 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Simple Event question, I guess



Dear group,

I am looking for the following. I have a ParentForm and within that
parentform I have two subforms. Now I want to do some validating when I
user leaves the parentform and enters one of the subforms. Any idea,
suggestion what event that is? or how I can solve that.

Greetz Marcel



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From delliker at hotmail.com  Tue May 27 08:21:52 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 09:21:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
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From bbruen at bigpond.com  Tue May 27 08:24:54 2003
From: bbruen at bigpond.com (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 23:24:54 +1000
Subject: Betreft: RE: Betreft: RE: [AccessD] Looping through forms
In-Reply-To: <OF17DA11E9.ED4B3FD4-ONC1256D33.0046EDD4@achmea.nl>
Message-ID: <002201c32453$5cd05af0$ca00a8c0@bbb888>

Sorry Marcel, I threw the code in wothout looking for dependancies.  You
can probably get rid of the prop.attRibutes echo as it was for something
I originally wrote the enum for - a.k.a. Damned if I remember!
Bruce


Public Function GetPropType(typeVal As ADODB.DataTypeEnum) As String
'-----------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------
'
'   Description / Purpose :-
'       Converts the numeric property type to a descriptive name
'
'   Parameters:-
'       PARAMETER   TYPE    COMMENTS
'       typeval     integer The property type value to be converted
'
'   Return Value:-
'       A string descriptive of the property type
'
'   Notes:-
'
'------------------------------------------------------------
'   Version     Dated               Author      Comment
'               16-May-03               Bruce   Original.
'============================================================

    Dim strResult As String

    On Error GoTo GetPropType_Error

    Select Case typeVal
        Case adArray: strResult = "AdArray"
        Case adBigInt: strResult = "adBigInt"
        Case adBinary: strResult = "adBinary"
        Case adBoolean: strResult = "adBoolean"
        Case adBSTR: strResult = "adBSTR"
        Case adChapter: strResult = "adChapter"
        Case adChar: strResult = "adChar"
        Case adCurrency: strResult = "adCurrency"
        Case adDate: strResult = "adDate"
        Case adDBDate: strResult = "adDBDate"
        Case adDBTime: strResult = "adDBTime"
        Case adDBTimeStamp: strResult = "adDBTimeStamp"
        Case adDecimal: strResult = "adDecimal"
        Case adDouble: strResult = "adDouble"
        Case adEmpty: strResult = "adEmpty"
        Case adError: strResult = "adError"
        Case adFileTime: strResult = "adFileTime"
        Case adGUID: strResult = "adGUID"
        Case adIDispatch: strResult = "adIDispatch"
        Case adInteger: strResult = "adInteger"
        Case adIUnknown: strResult = "adIUnknown"
        Case adLongVarBinary: strResult = "adLongVarBinary"
        Case adLongVarChar: strResult = "adLongVarChar"
        Case adLongVarWChar: strResult = "adLongVarWChar"
        Case adNumeric: strResult = "adNumeric"
        Case adPropVariant: strResult = "adPropVariant"
        Case adSingle: strResult = "adSingle"
        Case adSmallInt: strResult = "adSmallInt"
        Case adTinyInt: strResult = "adTinyInt"
        Case adUnsignedBigInt: strResult = "adUnsignedBigInt"
        Case adUnsignedInt: strResult = "adUnsignedInt"
        Case adUnsignedSmallInt: strResult = "adUnsignedSmallInt"
        Case adUnsignedTinyInt: strResult = "adUnsignedTinyInt"
        Case adUserDefined: strResult = "adUserDefined"
        Case adVarBinary: strResult = "adVarBinary"
        Case adVarChar: strResult = "adVarChar"
        Case adVariant: strResult = "adVariant"
        Case adVarNumeric: strResult = "adVarNumeric"
        Case adVarWChar: strResult = "adVarWChar"
        Case adWChar: strResult = "adWChar"
    End Select

    GetPropType = strResult

    On Error GoTo 0
    Exit Function

GetPropType_Error:

    MsgBox "Error " & Err.Number & " (" & Err.Description & ") in
procedure GetPropType of Module splForms"

End Function

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marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:56 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Betreft: RE: Betreft: RE: [AccessD] Looping through forms


Hi Bruce,

I have some troubles with the prop.attributes. My access does not
understand this. What reference do I need??. I use W2K and A2K. And what
does the GetPropType section do? this is missing also.


Thanks,

Marcel




"Bruce Bruen" <bbruen at bigpond.com>@databaseadvisors.com op 27-05-2003
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Onderwerp:     RE: Betreft: RE: [AccessD] Looping through forms


Marcel,

This may get you started....

Bruce

Public Sub enumFormProperties(oForm As Form)
'-----------------------------------------------------------------------
--
'
'   Description / Purpose :-
'       Lists all the form, section and control properties for the
'       supplied form in the debug window
'
'   Parameters:-
'       PARAMETER   TYPE                    COMMENTS
'       oForm       MSAccess Form Object
'
'   Return Value:-
'       None
'
'   Notes:-
'       The number of properties displayed is large.  When running this
'       sub you need to set breakpoints so that you can get the
information
'       you want.
'
'------------------------------------------------------------
'   Version     Dated               Author      Comment
'    1.0        16-May-03           Bruce       Original.
'============================================================

    Dim Prop As Property
    Dim formSection As Integer
    Dim formControl As Control

    On Error Resume Next

    Debug.Print "Processing Form Properties"
    For Each Prop In oForm.Properties
        Debug.Print "    "; Prop.Name;
        Debug.Print "=" & Prop.Value;
        Debug.Print " (" & GetPropType(Prop.Type) & ")";
        Debug.Print , Prop.Attributes;
        Debug.Print
    Next Prop
    Stop

    Debug.Print "Processing Form Sections"
    For formSection = 0 To 6
        Debug.Print "    Section " & formSection
        For Each Prop In oForm.Section(formSection).Properties
            Debug.Print "        "; Prop.Name;
            Debug.Print "=" & Prop.Value;
            Debug.Print " (" & GetPropType(Prop.Type) & ")";
            Debug.Print , Prop.Attributes;
            Debug.Print
        Next Prop
    Next formSection
    Stop

    Debug.Print "Processing Form Controls"
    For Each formControl In oForm
        Debug.Print "---- Control ----"
        For Each Prop In formControl.Properties
            Debug.Print Prop.Name;
            Debug.Print "=" & Prop.Value;
            Debug.Print " (" & GetPropType(Prop.Type) & ")";
            Debug.Print , Prop.Attributes;
            Debug.Print
        Next Prop
        Stop
    Next formControl
    Stop
End Sub

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:00 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Betreft: RE: [AccessD] Looping through forms


Hi Mark,

You are right then I have the documentation available. But than I have
to manualy compare the two documents on paper. That is something I do
not want because it takes up to much time and I can make mistakes.

Thanks,

marcel






"Mitsules, Mark" <mitsules_ms at nns.com>@databaseadvisors.com op
27-05-2003 13:46:48

Antwoord aub aan accessd at databaseadvisors.com

Verzonden door:     accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com


Aan:  "'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
cc:

Onderwerp:     RE: [AccessD] Looping through forms


For your purposes, will Tools/Analyze/Documenter work?

Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl [mailto:marcel.vreuls at achmea.nl]
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 5:43 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Looping through forms


Dear group,

Does anyone know how I can achieve the following.

I want to loop through all the forms and reports available in the
database. Then for each form loop through all the controls and save of
each control the controltype, caption, text, defaultvalue, format,
fieldtype in a table. I want to do this because I have weird things with
controls that suddenly behave strange. That way I can check the current
controls properties with their previous properties.


THanks,

In advance.

Marcel Vreuls






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From delliker at hotmail.com  Tue May 27 08:36:02 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 09:36:02 -0400
Subject: Betreft: RE: [AccessD] Looping through forms
Message-ID: <Law12-F67ukkwu1BtWd00019aac@hotmail.com>

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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue May 27 09:12:14 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 09:12:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
In-Reply-To: <13831776281.20030521170154@cactus.dk>
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311F54@infoserver01.infostat.local>
	<9432099767.20030514175345@cactus.dk>
	<57544.199.67.140.20.1053526117.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>
	<7629764428.20030521162822@cactus.dk>
	<49700.199.67.140.20.1053527638.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>
	<13831776281.20030521170154@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <51269.199.67.140.20.1054044734.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>

He group,
does anyone know if I can use SUM in the case below ? I can't seem to find
it. Thanks

C = Range("C13").Value + Range("C14").Value + Range("C15").Value +
Range("C16").Value + Range("C17").Value + Range("C18").Value


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From mikedorism at ntelos.net  Tue May 27 09:28:30 2003
From: mikedorism at ntelos.net (Mike and Doris Manning)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 10:28:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
In-Reply-To: <51269.199.67.140.20.1054044734.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>
Message-ID: <001701c3245c$42449d50$a7320cd8@hargrove.internal>

You can try C = SUM("C13:C18")

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


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Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:12 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values


He group,
does anyone know if I can use SUM in the case below ? I can't seem to find
it. Thanks

C = Range("C13").Value + Range("C14").Value + Range("C15").Value +
Range("C16").Value + Range("C17").Value + Range("C18").Value


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From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Tue May 27 09:54:28 2003
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 09:54:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
Message-ID: <8301C8A868251E4C8ECD3D4FFEA40F8A4EBD02@cpixchng-1.cpiqpc.net>

For a firewall appliance what about something like the Linksys Instant
Broadband EtherFast Cable/DSL Firewall Router (model number BEFSX41).  This
lists for $60 on buy.com.  It provides a port for dedicated DMZ hosting and
has the Stateful Packet Inspection firewall.  It wouldn't have all the bells
and whistles that the sonicwall does but for the money it seems like a gem.

Sorry if this sounds like an ad for the product but I've hooked one up and
like it.

Rusty

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Tanner III [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 10:54 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses


Depends.

If you go the "firewall appliance" route, such as
SinocWall, you're looking at close to a thousand bucks
(the last time I checked).  If you go the "I'm taking
a PC, putting multiple network cards in it and making
a firewall out of it." you can get away for free if
you have the hardware readily available.

My firewall is a P3-700 PC with 256MB of RAM, an 8GB
hard drive and 4 network cards.  Hardware-wise this
firewall is way overkill for what I need, .  I
wouldn't recommend anything less than a P2-333 for a
firewall though if you have a DSL or cablemodem based
Internet connection.  For an OS it's running a
hardened minimilistic flavor of Red Hat Linux 8.0. 
I'm running the built-in IPTables firewall for all of
my firewalling needs.  That makes the OS and firewall
free too.

--- Jim DeMarco <Jdemarco at hshhp.org> wrote:
> Thanks Martin.  
> 
> >From what I'm gathering from this thread I should
> look into a hardware solution (that the fact that
> I'm running WinME on a P200 that's a relatively slow
> performer as is).  How costly might that be?
> 
> Jim DeMarco
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
> [mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK]
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 11:12 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> 
> 
> Jim
> 
> You run a web server at hoem your always at risk of
> hacking attempts. Put up a secent firewall.
> 
> I have IIS running on a server here but its not
> connected to the web. Dosnt matter for dev work at
> all. I connect as and when I need to. Other than 
> that I leave the server of the modems.
> 
> 
> 
> Martin
> 
> 
> On May 23 2003, Jim DeMarco wrote:
> 
> > What about running it on another machine on my
> (wireless) network that's > not directly connected
> to my DSL modem but has Internet access via that >
> connection? Is that any safer?
> > 
> > Jim DeMarco
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Frank Tanner III
> [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:29 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> > 
> > 
> > Personally, I wouldn't run ANY public accessable
> > services on my LAN.  There is a MUCH safer way to
> do
> > it, but it isn't super cheap.
> > 
> > I have a custom built firewall, which I run at
> home. 
> > The "public" side of it connects directly to my
> > Internet connection, in this case a 1Mbit VDSL
> > connection.  Then I have a "private" side, which
> > connects to my LAN, and has my strict firewall
> rules. 
> > Only what I want gets in and out.  Lastly, I have
> a
> > "DMZ".  This is where I place my publicly
> accessable
> > machines.  It is still firewalled, but not as
> > stringently as the LAN side, since the public
> needs to
> > hit it.  Even in this DMZ I only let through the
> ports
> > I absolutely need to.  Such as 80 & 443 for Web,
> 25 &
> > 110 for e-mail, etc.  My LAN is also firewalled
> from
> > my DMZ in this configuration except for what's
> > absolutely needed.
> > 
> > In this confugiration, unless I specifically open
> an
> > e-mail with a virus attached, or something silly
> like
> > that, I'm about as safe as one can get from "the
> big
> > bad Internet".  The worst that can happen is that
> > there is an exploit for one of my publicly
> accessable
> > boxes and they get compromised.  My LAN is still
> safe.
> > 
> > As a side note, my firewall, web server, and
> e-mail
> > server are all running Linix or FreeBSD.  This
> makes
> > them less succeptable to all of the more common
> > attacks that the "script kiddies" like to use. 
> About
> > 80% of the attacks and defacements on publicly
> > accessable servers are done by "script kiddies". 
> An
> > added benifit is that IIS specific exploits have
> no
> > affect other than to fill my logs, which archive
> and
> > rotate off daily.
> > 
> > Is this a bit excessive, since I don't run a
> business
> > out of my home?  Yeah, it is.  But there's no such
> > thing as too much security.
> > 
> > --- John Frederick <j.frederick at att.net> wrote:
> > > Yes, it is necessary.  When I started doing .asp
> on
> > > the same machine I used
> > > to dial-up to get email, I got, over some period
> of
> > > time, about a dozen
> > > different viruses, some of which propagated
> through
> > > my lan to other
> > > machines.  If you can't block the access from
> the
> > > net to your machines, you
> > > need to either use a firewall or disconnect the
> pws
> > > machine from the lan.
> > > 
> > > P.S.: If you put firewalls, such as Norton or
> McAfee
> > > on your machines, you
> > > can ask to be warned and have a change to say ok
> or
> > > no when a program tries
> > > to access another machine or the net.  You'll be
> > > amazed about how many
> > > Microsoft and other vendow programs do so for no
> > > reason related to your
> > > current operation in progress.  If you're not
> > > already paranoid, that will
> > > make you so.
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Jim DeMarco
> > > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 8:03 AM
> > > To: AccessD (E-mail)
> > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> > > 
> > > 
> > > List,
> > > 
> > > A while back I got a DSL connection on my home
> > > office PC which I
> > > occasionally use for web development using
> Personal
> > > Web Server (Win 9x/ME
> > > version of IIS).  I was advised by our staff
> network
> > > person NOT to run PWS
> > > after the DSL was up because I'd be succeptable
> to
> > > attacks and viruses.
> > > Does anyone know if this is true?  I have not
> run
> > > PWS in a couple of months
> > > and have been using a disconnected laptop to
> write
> > > ASP code but I'm
> > > wondering if this is necessary.  Would I need to
> > > install a firewall if I
> > > want to run PWS?
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > 
> > > Jim DeMarco
> > > 
> > > 
> > >
> >  
> >  
> >
>
****************************************************************************
> > > *******
> > > "This electronic message is intended to be for
> the
> > > use only of the named
> > > recipient, and may contain information from
> Hudson
> > > Health Plan (HHP) that is
> > > confidential or privileged.  If you are not the
> > > intended recipient, you are
> > > hereby notified that any disclosure, copying,
> > > distribution or use of the
> > > contents of this message is strictly prohibited.
>  If
> > > you have received this
> > > message in error or are not the named recipient,
> 
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From pctech at mybellybutton.com  Tue May 27 10:00:58 2003
From: pctech at mybellybutton.com (Frank Tanner III)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 08:00:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
In-Reply-To: <8301C8A868251E4C8ECD3D4FFEA40F8A4EBD02@cpixchng-1.cpiqpc.net>
Message-ID: <20030527150058.53506.qmail@web13403.mail.yahoo.com>

The Linksys ones are real nice.  They're nice enough
that Cisco is either in the process of, or has
already, bought Linksys.  If they're good enough for
Cisco, they're good enough for me...hehehe

--- rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com wrote:
> For a firewall appliance what about something like
> the Linksys Instant
> Broadband EtherFast Cable/DSL Firewall Router (model
> number BEFSX41).  This
> lists for $60 on buy.com.  It provides a port for
> dedicated DMZ hosting and
> has the Stateful Packet Inspection firewall.  It
> wouldn't have all the bells
> and whistles that the sonicwall does but for the
> money it seems like a gem.
> 
> Sorry if this sounds like an ad for the product but
> I've hooked one up and
> like it.
> 
> Rusty
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Tanner III
> [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 10:54 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> 
> 
> Depends.
> 
> If you go the "firewall appliance" route, such as
> SinocWall, you're looking at close to a thousand
> bucks
> (the last time I checked).  If you go the "I'm
> taking
> a PC, putting multiple network cards in it and
> making
> a firewall out of it." you can get away for free if
> you have the hardware readily available.
> 
> My firewall is a P3-700 PC with 256MB of RAM, an 8GB
> hard drive and 4 network cards.  Hardware-wise this
> firewall is way overkill for what I need, .  I
> wouldn't recommend anything less than a P2-333 for a
> firewall though if you have a DSL or cablemodem
> based
> Internet connection.  For an OS it's running a
> hardened minimilistic flavor of Red Hat Linux 8.0. 
> I'm running the built-in IPTables firewall for all
> of
> my firewalling needs.  That makes the OS and
> firewall
> free too.
> 
> --- Jim DeMarco <Jdemarco at hshhp.org> wrote:
> > Thanks Martin.  
> > 
> > >From what I'm gathering from this thread I should
> > look into a hardware solution (that the fact that
> > I'm running WinME on a P200 that's a relatively
> slow
> > performer as is).  How costly might that be?
> > 
> > Jim DeMarco
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK
> > [mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK]
> > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 11:12 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> > 
> > 
> > Jim
> > 
> > You run a web server at hoem your always at risk
> of
> > hacking attempts. Put up a secent firewall.
> > 
> > I have IIS running on a server here but its not
> > connected to the web. Dosnt matter for dev work at
> > all. I connect as and when I need to. Other than 
> > that I leave the server of the modems.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Martin
> > 
> > 
> > On May 23 2003, Jim DeMarco wrote:
> > 
> > > What about running it on another machine on my
> > (wireless) network that's > not directly connected
> > to my DSL modem but has Internet access via that >
> > connection? Is that any safer?
> > > 
> > > Jim DeMarco
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Frank Tanner III
> > [mailto:pctech at mybellybutton.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:29 AM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: DSL/IIS/Viruses
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Personally, I wouldn't run ANY public accessable
> > > services on my LAN.  There is a MUCH safer way
> to
> > do
> > > it, but it isn't super cheap.
> > > 
> > > I have a custom built firewall, which I run at
> > home. 
> > > The "public" side of it connects directly to my
> > > Internet connection, in this case a 1Mbit VDSL
> > > connection.  Then I have a "private" side, which
> > > connects to my LAN, and has my strict firewall
> > rules. 
> > > Only what I want gets in and out.  Lastly, I
> have
> > a
> > > "DMZ".  This is where I place my publicly
> > accessable
> > > machines.  It is still firewalled, but not as
> > > stringently as the LAN side, since the public
> > needs to
> > > hit it.  Even in this DMZ I only let through the
> > ports
> > > I absolutely need to.  Such as 80 & 443 for Web,
> > 25 &
> > > 110 for e-mail, etc.  My LAN is also firewalled
> > from
> > > my DMZ in this configuration except for what's
> > > absolutely needed.
> > > 
> > > In this confugiration, unless I specifically
> open
> > an
> > > e-mail with a virus attached, or something silly
> > like
> > > that, I'm about as safe as one can get from "the
> > big
> > > bad Internet".  The worst that can happen is
> that
> > > there is an exploit for one of my publicly
> > accessable
> > > boxes and they get compromised.  My LAN is still
> > safe.
> > > 
> > > As a side note, my firewall, web server, and
> > e-mail
> > > server are all running Linix or FreeBSD.  This
> > makes
> > > them less succeptable to all of the more common
> > > attacks that the "script kiddies" like to use. 
> > About
> > > 80% of the attacks and defacements on publicly
> > > accessable servers are done by "script kiddies".
> 
> > An
> > > added benifit is that IIS specific exploits have
> > no
> > > affect other than to fill my logs, which archive
> > and
> > > rotate off daily.
> > > 
> > > Is this a bit excessive, since I don't run a
> > business
> > > out of my home?  Yeah, it is.  But there's no
> such
> > > thing as too much security.
> > > 
> > > --- John Frederick <j.frederick at att.net> wrote:
> > > > Yes, it is necessary.  When I started doing
> .asp
> > on
> > > > the same machine I used
> > > > to dial-up to get email, I got, over some
> period
> > of
> > > > time, about a dozen
> > > > different viruses, some of which propagated
> > through
> > > > my lan to other
> > > > machines.  If you can't block the access from
> > the
> > > > net to your machines, you
> > > > need to either use a firewall or disconnect
> the
> > pws
> > > > machine from the lan.
> > > > 
> > > > P.S.: If you put firewalls, such as Norton or
> > McAfee
> > > > on your machines, you
> > > > can ask to be warned and have a change to say
> ok
> > or
> > > > no when a program tries
> > > > to access another machine or the net.  You'll
> be
> 
=== message truncated ===


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue May 27 10:24:10 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 08:24:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Acc97 OutputTo HTML Formatting
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FD4@infoserver01.infostat.local>

However, you can't include any graphics, even lines, boxes, etc., in rtf
because they don't translate from Access reports.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Goodhall [mailto:sgoodhall at comcast.net] 
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 10:05 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Acc97 OutputTo HTML Formatting


Another option is to first export to RTF, then open the RTF file in
M$Word and store as HTML.  This will give you a single HTML file
containing the entire report.  If you do OLE automation, you can do all
of it under program control.

Regards,

Steve Goodhall


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ron Allen
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 10:31 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Acc97 OutputTo HTML Formatting


Thanks Charles. I agree, .rtf is probably a better option
for what they're wanting to do. I'm going to press again
for a move to .rtf. Otherwise, I'll write a program to
modify the HTML files directly.

Ron

On Fri, 23 May 2003 09:10:49 -0500
  "Wortz, Charles" <CWortz at tea.state.tx.us> wrote:
>Ron,
>
>If you want it as one big file instead of a file per
>page, then export
>it as RTF instead of HTML.  If RTF is not an option for
>you, then my
>next suggestion is to use an HTML editor to paste the
>files back
>together as one.  And if that is not an option either,
>then you can do
>it by hand.  The HTML code is easy to modify.
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue May 27 10:55:28 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 08:55:28 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Hyperlink screen scraping
References: <001001c32441$68eef1f0$ca00a8c0@bbb888>
Message-ID: <3ED38A70.6000803@shaw.ca>

Screenscraping has its problems. If someone changes the web page, your 
parser of the html or xml string returned has to adapt, There are also 
problems if the site uses some form of password, authentication and/or 
cookies. There is no standard. This has messed me up in the past if you 
have
no contact with the end site, to find out their particular standard. 
Some sites put their encoded site password in HTML headers. Note Amazon 
sends their authentication code in clear with the URL and no direct https.

 Here is some VBA sample code to search Amazon with their web services 
via xml
Might give you some ideas. Amazon used basic XML URL posts rather than SOAP.
One routine searches computer equipment; other searches books, third 
routine uses dom to parse the xml returned , but you would be working 
with html probably.

Get your own developer ID from Amazon and change in code.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aws/landing.html/103-9253290-7901428

 I ran this from Access 97 WinXP, so I would have MS XML 4.0 installed
Use the test Amazon XML scratchpad to set and change your URL xml POST 
string code
without going through all the documentation.

There should be some sample XMLHttp code in the archives.

'
' Amazon Query Examples
'
'http://www.amazon.com/gp/aws/landing.html/103-9253290-7901428

Sub AmazonQueryBooks()
  Dim SelectedText As String
  Dim MSXML As Object
  Dim XMLURL As String
  Dim Loaded As Boolean
  Dim AssociateID As String
  Dim DeveloperToken As String
   
  ' Get text selection
  SelectedText = "Greg Bear" 'SciFi Author
 
  ' Make sure that some text is selected
  If ((Len(SelectedText) = 0) Or (SelectedText < " ")) Then
    MsgBox "Please select some text and try again."
    Exit Sub
  End If
 
  ' Set Associate ID and Developer Token
  AssociateID = "webservices-20"
  DeveloperToken = "D2ED5GRZA6RZ7Y"
 
  ' Create MSXML Object
  Set MSXML = CreateObject("MSXML.DOMDocument")
 
  ' Set MSXML Options
  MSXML.Async = False
  MSXML.preserveWhiteSpace = False
  MSXML.validateOnParse = True
  MSXML.resolveExternals = False
 
  ' Form an XML URL
  XMLURL = "http://xml.amazon.com/onca/xml2" + _
           "?t=" + AssociateID + _
           "&dev-t=" + DeveloperToken + _
           "&page=1" + _
           "&f=xml" + _
           "&mode=books" + _
           "&type=lite" + _
           "&KeywordSearch=" + SelectedText
 
  ' Issue the request and wait for it to be honored
  Loaded = MSXML.Load(XMLURL)

  If (Loaded) Then
   ' ProcessResults MSXML
   'show as long string

   Debug.Print MSXML.xml
  Else
    MsgBox "The service is not available."
  End If
   
End Sub


Sub AmazonQueryComputers()
  Dim SelectedText As String
  Dim MSXML As Object
  Dim XMLURL As String
  Dim Loaded As Boolean
  Dim AssociateID As String
  Dim DeveloperToken As String
   
  ' Get text selection
  SelectedText = "Toshiba"
 
  ' Make sure that some text is selected
  If ((Len(SelectedText) = 0) Or (SelectedText < " ")) Then
    MsgBox "Please select some text and try again."
    Exit Sub
  End If
 
  ' Set Associate ID and Developer Token
  AssociateID = "webservices-20"
  DeveloperToken = "D2EF5GZR7A6RZ7Y"
 
  ' Create MSXML Object
  Set MSXML = CreateObject("MSXML.DOMDocument")
 
  ' Set MSXML Options
  MSXML.Async = False
  MSXML.preserveWhiteSpace = False
  MSXML.validateOnParse = True
  MSXML.resolveExternals = False
 
  ' Form an XML URL
 
  XMLURL = "http://xml.amazon.com/onca/xml3" & _
            "?t=" & AssociateToken  & _
            "&dev-t="  &  DeveloperToken  & _
            "&KeywordSearch=" & SelectedText & _
            "&mode=pc-hardware" & _
            "&sort=+pricrerank" & _
            "&offer=All" & _
            "&type=lite" & _
            "&page=2" & _
            "&f=xml"
  ' Issue the request and wait for it to be honored
  Loaded = MSXML.Load(XMLURL)

  If (Loaded) Then
   ' ProcessResults MSXML
   Debug.Print MSXML.xml
  Else
    MsgBox "The service is not available."
  End If
   
End Sub
'
' ProcessResults -
'
'   Iterate through the given XML object and display each item.
'   Allow the user to choose some items and insert them into
'   the document.
'
Sub ProcessResults(MSXML As Object)
  Dim XML_Root As Object
  Dim XML_Child As Object
  Dim XML_Title As Object
  Dim XML_ListPrice As Object
  Dim XML_OurPrice As Object
  Dim XML_Mfr As Object
  Dim XML_Authors As Object
  Dim XML_Author As Object
  Dim XML_ReleaseDate As Object
  Dim TotalResults As Long
  Dim Title As String
  Dim ListPrice As String
  Dim OurPrice As String
  Dim Mfr As String
  Dim URL As String
  Dim Author As String
  Dim ReleaseDate As String
  Dim Updates As String
  Dim Footnote As String
  Dim i As Long
 
  ' Get root of document
  Set XML_Root = MSXML.documentElement
 
  ' Reset list of items in document
 ' AmazonDetailsForm.ClearItems
 
  ' Process each top-level element
  For i = 0 To XML_Root.childNodes.Length - 1
    Set XML_Child = XML_Root.childNodes.Item(i)
   
    Select Case XML_Child.nodeName
      Case "TotalResults"
      TotalResults = CLng(XML_Child.Text)
     
      Case "Details"
        Set XML_Title = Nothing
        Set XML_ListPrice = Nothing
        Set XML_OurPrice = Nothing
        Set XML_Mfr = Nothing
        Set XML_Author = Nothing
        Set XML_ReleaseDate = Nothing
        Title = ""
        ListPrice = ""
        OurPrice = ""
        Mfr = ""
        Author = ""
        ReleaseDate = ""
       
        ' Locate the child nodes
        Set XML_Title = XML_Child.selectSingleNode("ProductName")
        Set XML_ListPrice = XML_Child.selectSingleNode("ListPrice")
        Set XML_OurPrice = XML_Child.selectSingleNode("OurPrice")
        Set XML_Mfr = XML_Child.selectSingleNode("Manufacturer")
        Set XML_Authors = XML_Child.selectSingleNode("Authors")
        Set XML_ReleaseDate = XML_Child.selectSingleNode("ReleaseDate")
       
        ' Extract the text from the child nodes
        If (Not (XML_Title Is Nothing)) Then Title = XML_Title.Text
        If (Not (XML_ListPrice Is Nothing)) Then ListPrice = 
XML_ListPrice.Text
        If (Not (XML_OurPrice Is Nothing)) Then OurPrice = XML_OurPrice.Text
        If (Not (XML_Mfr Is Nothing)) Then Mfr = XML_Mfr.Text
        If (Not (XML_ReleaseDate Is Nothing)) Then ReleaseDate = 
XML_ReleaseDate.Text
        URL = XML_Child.getAttribute("url")
       
        If (Not (XML_Authors Is Nothing)) Then
          Set XML_Author = XML_Authors.selectSingleNode("Author")
          If (Not (XML_Author Is Nothing)) Then Author = XML_Author.Text
        End If
       
        ' Add the text to the form
    '    AmazonDetailsForm.AddItem Title, ListPrice, OurPrice, Mfr, URL, 
Author, ReleaseDate
    End Select
  Next i
 
  ' Show the form
 ' AmazonDetailsForm.Show vbModal

  '
  ' Update the document:
  ' 1 - Insert document title inline
  ' 2 - Insert footnote (if requested) as footnote
  '
  'Updates = AmazonDetailsForm.GetSelectedDetails
 
  'If (Updates <> "") Then
  '  Selection.MoveRight 1
  '  Selection.Text = " [" + Updates + "] "
  'End If
 
  ' Footnote = AmazonDetailsForm.GetSelectedFootnote
  ' If (Footnote <> "") Then
  '  Selection.Footnotes.Add Range:=Selection.Range, Text:=Footnote
  ' End If
 
End Sub




Bruce Bruen wrote:

>On further reflection XMLHttp looks like the way to go....just stepping
>into the MSXML documentation now... If I'm not back in 3 weeks could
>someone please feed the kids.... :-)
>
>Will report back!
>Bruce
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Bruen
>Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 8:40 PM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Hyperlink screen scraping
>
>
>Thanks Marty.....Urrgh to much information
>
>The pages we are tryinng to retrieve are "pure" html ( with some
>unwanted pictures ). Primarily, they are vendor price lists we are
>trying to monitor against benchmarks for PC componentry.  One user, say
>"Fred" is after motherboard prices. He builds a list of vendor sites and
>runs a daily check on the supply price for the model(s) he is looking
>for.  Most of the time is spent clicking on a "favourites", waiting for
>the page to load and copying the days prices into his pricing models.
>What we would like to do is kick off the "download" in the morning, grab
>all the pages while he's getting a coffee and then show them one at a
>time and Fred can highlight any lines he wants and then we'll scrape
>that bit off the page and paste it in his models.
>
>What choice do you suggest.  I note that the XML route would be the
>technopolitic right way - but the vendors aren't necessarily agreed
>suppliers - in fact in general its just the opposite!, we are trying to
>keep the agreed suppliers on their toes. (Also note that my Polish isn't
>up to scratch re Inet API - or did I get the wrong site baby?)  Finally,
>if WinHttp is the go, do you know of a site that's a bit more to the
>point of our problem rather than the MSDN pages(and pages and pages and
>......
>
>Yet again
>tia
>Bruce
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of MartyConnelly
>Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:29 
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hyperlink screen scraping
>
>
>There are at least 3 ways to do this WinHttp, Inet Api's and XMLHttp. 
>These all may require an install or a specific version of IE. It depends
>
>on what type of document you want to download a jpeg, a word Doc, text 
>file or html. It also depends on what OS you want to deploy on. I would 
>probably put the download into an OLE field and only use text into a 
>memo field.
>
>Bruce Bruen wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Dear List,
>>
>>I am sure we have covered this before (Seth?) but I cannot find
>>anything in the archives (probably cant set a good keyword).
>>
>>The database has a text field containing a hyperlink.  When the user
>>clicks a command button on a form showing the address I want to 
>>download the hyperlink document and save the contents of the page in a 
>>memo field for later scraping and processing.
>>
>>How is this done? Follow and FollowHyperlink just open IE.  Is there
>>something I am missing (apart from that!)
>>
>>
>>Tia
>>Bruce
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>
>  
>



From doug at murphyscreativity.com  Tue May 27 11:00:12 2003
From: doug at murphyscreativity.com (Doug Murphy)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 09:00:12 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] HyperLinks
In-Reply-To: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFGENJCIAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <000001c32469$0e98b240$8500a8c0@CX615377a>

Jim,

Thank you.  That makes sense.  Is there a property of a hyperlink that
indicates which type it is?  I guess I could develop a routine using the
dir function to check paths but it would be better to use a built in
property.

Doug


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
(AccessD)
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 5:51 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] HyperLinks

Hi Doug:

There are kind of links, the relative or virtual link, that is the kind
you
have in your database and absolute links. A relative link only works
from a
known position, in this case your DB is in a known position (it knows
where
it is in the relative scheme of things.) When you select a hyper-link
within
the database it checks it and then prefixes the hyper-link with it's
location to create the full link.

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 6:02 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] HyperLinks


Hello List,

I have a question on the use of hyperlinks to point to files.  I have a
database that exists in a directory; C:\My Files\DBdirectory for
example.  In this directory there is a subdirectory holding files.  The
database has a table with a hyperlink field in it that contains the
relative path to a file in the subdirectory.  In other words the path to
a file might be subdirectory\filename.

It is my understanding that the hyperlink should contain the full path
to a file such as C:\My Files\DBdirectory\subdirectory\File name.  The
interesting thing is if I double click on the hyperlink the file will
open even though the hyperlink holds only the path relative to the
database.  Is this the way it is supposed to work or is this a feature
of hyperlinks in being able to resolve relative paths?

The reason I ask is that I am trying to extract the path to the file
from the hyperlink and do a file copy.  This doesn't work with the
relative path as you would expect.  If there is more info in the
hyperlink than I am extracting that would give the full path how do I
get to it?

Thanks.

Doug







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From hsimpson88 at hotmail.com  Tue May 27 11:17:33 2003
From: hsimpson88 at hotmail.com (Henry Simpson)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 10:17:33 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Overwriting open Mdb 
Message-ID: <Sea2-F36uXFsY6Mp4740002ca1a@hotmail.com>

List:

A client of mine experienced a problem that I cannot reproduce.  A WAN 
connected user was taking an offisite copy of an Access 97 mdb file from one 
server to his local drive and accidentally pasted the file to the primary 
file server in yet another remote office.  This happened last night at about 
7:30 PM and although the office is usually closed at that time, there was 
one user who had a front end application open that had a live connection to 
the data mdb and an ldb file that named all users who had been in that day.

The file server on which the data file is located is an NT Server and the 
folder on which the data was located is accessible only to users of the 
application.  I received panic phone calls at 7:30 from the person who 
accidentally pasted the file and from the user who was on.  Neither was able 
to work with the data from their applications.

I was able to connect via dial up to a Terminal Server session and 
determined that the file size and date time stamp of the primary data file 
matched the back up file server indicating that the file had been copied and 
overwritten the live and open data file.  The ldb file revealed all users 
who had been on during the course of the day were still present verifying 
that the data file had been open at the time of the overwrite.  I was able 
to delete the ldb file and replace the data file with a backup.  
Fortunately, the system makes a hot copy of the data file to two different 
remote servers and to a synchronization folder on the primary server and 
this happened at 5:45 which is 45 minutes after the office usually closes.  
Relying on the daily tape backup would have meant significant data loss but 
in this case, there was only one user whose edits were impacted and he was 
aware of the loss and able to rekey it.

Had the data file been overwritten while no one had the file open, there 
would have been no indication of a problem and any edits after 5:45 would 
have been lost without notification as the user was attempting to take the 
synch copy from the server and it was recent enough that the data loss may 
have gone unnoticed.

What my question is, and what I can't replicate is, I am unable to overwrite 
an mdb file while it is open.  I tested this several ways today.  While the 
front end is open, a persistent global connection to the data file exists.  
No matter how I tried, with and without dirty records in the back end, while 
a front end was open, I was unable to deliberately overwrite the data file.  
That the file system allowed, or appeared to allow the overwrite last night 
is certain as the file size and date time stamp matched the synch and remote 
server copies exactly.  The file size also indicated that the file had been 
saved in the backup copy compacted state as it is typically about 20% larger 
at the end of each day.  I took a copy of the apparently overwritten file 
before replacing it and it is irreovcably, with the limited tools we have at 
hand, corrupt.  If I can't deliberately overwrite the open file, how could a 
user have done it accidentally?

Hen

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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue May 27 11:30:44 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 11:30:44 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
In-Reply-To: <001701c3245c$42449d50$a7320cd8@hargrove.internal>
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        <001701c3245c$42449d50$a7320cd8@hargrove.internal>
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It was a first thing i tried. Gives me an error message "sub or function
not defined"


> You can try C = SUM("C13:C18")
>
> Doris Manning
> Database Administrator
> Hargrove Inc.
> www.hargroveinc.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:12 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
>
>
> He group,
> does anyone know if I can use SUM in the case below ? I can't seem to
> find it. Thanks
>
> C = Range("C13").Value + Range("C14").Value + Range("C15").Value +
> Range("C16").Value + Range("C17").Value + Range("C18").Value
>
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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Tue May 27 11:46:31 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 11:46:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F35869@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Oleg,

Then you are missing a needed reference to the Excel libraries.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com] 
Sent: Tuesday 2003 May 27 11:31
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values

It was a first thing i tried. Gives me an error message "sub or function
not defined"


> You can try C = SUM("C13:C18")
>
> Doris Manning
> Database Administrator
> Hargrove Inc.
> www.hargroveinc.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:12 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
>
>
> He group,
> does anyone know if I can use SUM in the case below ? I can't seem to 
> find it. Thanks
>
> C = Range("C13").Value + Range("C14").Value + Range("C15").Value + 
> Range("C16").Value + Range("C17").Value + Range("C18").Value

From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Tue May 27 11:51:10 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 12:51:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85CA8@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

If you're trying to sum this range in VBA code the SUM function is not a part of that library.  You have two options that I see - one is loop through the range reassigning the value of C:

<snip>
 For i = 13 to 18
  C = C + Range("C" & CStr(i))
 Next i
</snip>

or assign "=SUM("C13:C18")" to a cell's Formula property.

HTH,

Jim DeMarco
Director of Product Development
HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan


-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 12:31 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values


It was a first thing i tried. Gives me an error message "sub or function
not defined"


> You can try C = SUM("C13:C18")
>
> Doris Manning
> Database Administrator
> Hargrove Inc.
> www.hargroveinc.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:12 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
>
>
> He group,
> does anyone know if I can use SUM in the case below ? I can't seem to
> find it. Thanks
>
> C = Range("C13").Value + Range("C14").Value + Range("C15").Value +
> Range("C16").Value + Range("C17").Value + Range("C18").Value
>
>
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue May 27 12:34:15 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 13:34:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
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Charles, it works fine when it has to get a single value of a cell, but
fails to do additions using formula. it is supposed to get values from one
book and paste them to another. Values A, B, C, work fine; d and e do not.
I would write out everything (like I did for C) exsept last vale supposed
to contain a sum of 60 records, and it would make the code unreadable

Workbooks.Open Filename:="L:\PCO\Artemis\CitigroupN.xls"
    A = Range("C269").Value
    B = Range("C270").Value
    c = Range("C270").Value + Range("C271").Value + Range("C272").Value
    d = Sum("C280:C291")
    e = Range("C292:C352")

 Windows("MAR_ArtemisCheck.xls").Activate
    Range("B4").Value = A
    Range("C4").Value = B
    Range("d4").Value = c
    Range("F4").Value = d
    Range("G4").Value = e
> Oleg,
>
> Then you are missing a needed reference to the Excel libraries.
>
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
> Sent: Tuesday 2003 May 27 11:31
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
>
> It was a first thing i tried. Gives me an error message "sub or function
> not defined"
>
>
>> You can try C = SUM("C13:C18")
>>
>> Doris Manning
>> Database Administrator
>> Hargrove Inc.
>> www.hargroveinc.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:12 AM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
>>
>>
>> He group,
>> does anyone know if I can use SUM in the case below ? I can't seem to
>> find it. Thanks
>>
>> C = Range("C13").Value + Range("C14").Value + Range("C15").Value +
>> Range("C16").Value + Range("C17").Value + Range("C18").Value
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Tue May 27 12:40:20 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 13:40:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85CAB@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Oleg,

I just had a thought on your syntax.  Might you have to wrap the range reference in the Range object?

Ex:
d = Sum(Range("C280:C291"))

HTH,

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:34 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values


Charles, it works fine when it has to get a single value of a cell, but
fails to do additions using formula. it is supposed to get values from one
book and paste them to another. Values A, B, C, work fine; d and e do not.
I would write out everything (like I did for C) exsept last vale supposed
to contain a sum of 60 records, and it would make the code unreadable

Workbooks.Open Filename:="L:\PCO\Artemis\CitigroupN.xls"
    A = Range("C269").Value
    B = Range("C270").Value
    c = Range("C270").Value + Range("C271").Value + Range("C272").Value
    d = Sum("C280:C291")
    e = Range("C292:C352")

 Windows("MAR_ArtemisCheck.xls").Activate
    Range("B4").Value = A
    Range("C4").Value = B
    Range("d4").Value = c
    Range("F4").Value = d
    Range("G4").Value = e
> Oleg,
>
> Then you are missing a needed reference to the Excel libraries.
>
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
> Sent: Tuesday 2003 May 27 11:31
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
>
> It was a first thing i tried. Gives me an error message "sub or function
> not defined"
>
>
>> You can try C = SUM("C13:C18")
>>
>> Doris Manning
>> Database Administrator
>> Hargrove Inc.
>> www.hargroveinc.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:12 AM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
>>
>>
>> He group,
>> does anyone know if I can use SUM in the case below ? I can't seem to
>> find it. Thanks
>>
>> C = Range("C13").Value + Range("C14").Value + Range("C15").Value +
>> Range("C16").Value + Range("C17").Value + Range("C18").Value
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue May 27 12:49:02 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 12:49:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85CA8@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85CA8@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <49946.199.67.140.20.1054057742.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>

:((
Jim, unfortunately this doesn't seem to work either. Gives some weird numbers


Workbooks.Open Filename:="L:\PCO\Artemis\associates.xls"
    A = Range("C11").Value
    B = Range("C12").Value
    C = Range("C13").Value + Range("C14").Value + Range("C15").Value

For i = 16 To 21
  E = E + Range("E" & CStr(i)).Value
 Next i

 For i = 22 To 33
  E = E + Range("E" & CStr(i)).Value
 Next i

For i = 34 To 94
  F = F + Range("F" & CStr(i)).Value
 Next i

>
> If you're trying to sum this range in VBA code the SUM function is not a
> part of that library.  You have two options that I see - one is loop
> through the range reassigning the value of C:
>
> <snip>
>  For i = 13 to 18
>   C = C + Range("C" & CStr(i))
>  Next i
> </snip>
>
> or assign "=SUM("C13:C18")" to a cell's Formula property.
>
> HTH,
>
> Jim DeMarco
> Director of Product Development
> HealthSource/Hudson Health Plan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 12:31 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
>
>
> It was a first thing i tried. Gives me an error message "sub or function
> not defined"
>
>
>> You can try C = SUM("C13:C18")
>>
>> Doris Manning
>> Database Administrator
>> Hargrove Inc.
>> www.hargroveinc.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:12 AM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
>>
>>
>> He group,
>> does anyone know if I can use SUM in the case below ? I can't seem to
>> find it. Thanks
>>
>> C = Range("C13").Value + Range("C14").Value + Range("C15").Value +
>> Range("C16").Value + Range("C17").Value + Range("C18").Value
>>
>>
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue May 27 12:53:03 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 13:53:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
In-Reply-To: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85CAB@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
References: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85CAB@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>
Message-ID: <59169.199.67.140.20.1054057983.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>

nop, I get "Sum or Function not defined" When I just type s and press
spacebar I see all the reserved words starting from s, "sum" is not
there..Neither is "add"
>
> Oleg,
>
> I just had a thought on your syntax.  Might you have to wrap the range
> reference in the Range object?
>
> Ex:
> d = Sum(Range("C280:C291"))
>
> HTH,
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:34 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
>
>
> Charles, it works fine when it has to get a single value of a cell, but
> fails to do additions using formula. it is supposed to get values from
> one book and paste them to another. Values A, B, C, work fine; d and e
> do not. I would write out everything (like I did for C) exsept last vale
> supposed to contain a sum of 60 records, and it would make the code
> unreadable
>
> Workbooks.Open Filename:="L:\PCO\Artemis\CitigroupN.xls"
>     A = Range("C269").Value
>     B = Range("C270").Value
>     c = Range("C270").Value + Range("C271").Value + Range("C272").Value
> d = Sum("C280:C291")
>     e = Range("C292:C352")
>
>  Windows("MAR_ArtemisCheck.xls").Activate
>     Range("B4").Value = A
>     Range("C4").Value = B
>     Range("d4").Value = c
>     Range("F4").Value = d
>     Range("G4").Value = e
>> Oleg,
>>
>> Then you are missing a needed reference to the Excel libraries.
>>
>> Charles Wortz
>> Software Development Division
>> Texas Education Agency
>> 1701 N. Congress Ave
>> Austin, TX 78701-1494
>> 512-463-9493
>> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday 2003 May 27 11:31
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: RE: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
>>
>> It was a first thing i tried. Gives me an error message "sub or
>> function not defined"
>>
>>
>>> You can try C = SUM("C13:C18")
>>>
>>> Doris Manning
>>> Database Administrator
>>> Hargrove Inc.
>>> www.hargroveinc.com
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:12 AM
>>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>> Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
>>>
>>>
>>> He group,
>>> does anyone know if I can use SUM in the case below ? I can't seem to
>>> find it. Thanks
>>>
>>> C = Range("C13").Value + Range("C14").Value + Range("C15").Value +
>>> Range("C16").Value + Range("C17").Value + Range("C18").Value
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From COUTTSW at rjrt.com  Tue May 27 13:23:07 2003
From: COUTTSW at rjrt.com (Coutts, Welford L.)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:23:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
Message-ID: <1731B69D9D03DB49881574BBECDE6CAC675C53@wsmailp1.rjr.com>

Oleg,

To get the sum of  C292 - C353 and put that sum in C354, try :

	Range("C354").Select
	ActiveCell.FormulaR1C1 = "=SUM(R[-61]C:R[-1]C)"

HTH

-----Original Message-----
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:53 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values


nop, I get "Sum or Function not defined" When I just type s and press
spacebar I see all the reserved words starting from s, "sum" is not
there..Neither is "add"
>
> Oleg,
>
> I just had a thought on your syntax.  Might you have to wrap the range
> reference in the Range object?
>
> Ex:
> d = Sum(Range("C280:C291"))
>
> HTH,
>
> Jim DeMarco
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:34 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
>
>
> Charles, it works fine when it has to get a single value of a cell, but
> fails to do additions using formula. it is supposed to get values from
> one book and paste them to another. Values A, B, C, work fine; d and e
> do not. I would write out everything (like I did for C) exsept last vale
> supposed to contain a sum of 60 records, and it would make the code
> unreadable
>
> Workbooks.Open Filename:="L:\PCO\Artemis\CitigroupN.xls"
>     A = Range("C269").Value
>     B = Range("C270").Value
>     c = Range("C270").Value + Range("C271").Value + Range("C272").Value
> d = Sum("C280:C291")
>     e = Range("C292:C352")
>
>  Windows("MAR_ArtemisCheck.xls").Activate
>     Range("B4").Value = A
>     Range("C4").Value = B
>     Range("d4").Value = c
>     Range("F4").Value = d
>     Range("G4").Value = e
>> Oleg,
>>
>> Then you are missing a needed reference to the Excel libraries.
>>
>> Charles Wortz
>> Software Development Division
>> Texas Education Agency
>> 1701 N. Congress Ave
>> Austin, TX 78701-1494
>> 512-463-9493
>> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday 2003 May 27 11:31
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: RE: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
>>
>> It was a first thing i tried. Gives me an error message "sub or
>> function not defined"
>>
>>
>>> You can try C = SUM("C13:C18")
>>>
>>> Doris Manning
>>> Database Administrator
>>> Hargrove Inc.
>>> www.hargroveinc.com
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:12 AM
>>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>> Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
>>>
>>>
>>> He group,
>>> does anyone know if I can use SUM in the case below ? I can't seem to
>>> find it. Thanks
>>>
>>> C = Range("C13").Value + Range("C14").Value + Range("C15").Value +
>>> Range("C16").Value + Range("C17").Value + Range("C18").Value
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Tue May 27 13:36:42 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:36:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
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Well the thing is its in 2 different workbooks...like this

Workbooks.Open Filename:="L:\PCO\Artemis\CitigroupN.xls"
    A = Range("C269").Value
    B = Range("C270").Value
    C = Range("C271").Value + Range("C272").Value + Range("C273").Value

    D = Range("C274").Value + Range("C275").Value + Range("C276").Value +
Range("C277").Value + Range("C278").Value + Range("C279").Value

    E = Range("C280").Value + Range("C281").Value + Range("C282").Value +
Range("C283").Value + Range("C284").Value + Range("C285").Value +
Range("C286").Value + Range("C287").Value + Range("C288").Value +
Range("C289").Value + Range("C290").Value + Range("C291").Value




 Windows("MAR_ArtemisCheck.xls").Activate
    Range("B4").Value = A
    Range("C4").Value = B
    Range("D4").Value = C
    Range("E4").Value = D
    Range("F4").Value = E
    Range("G4").Value = F


>
> Oleg,
>
> To get the sum of  C292 - C353 and put that sum in C354, try :
>
> 	Range("C354").Select
> 	ActiveCell.FormulaR1C1 = "=SUM(R[-61]C:R[-1]C)"
>
> HTH
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:53 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
>
>
> nop, I get "Sum or Function not defined" When I just type s and press
> spacebar I see all the reserved words starting from s, "sum" is not
> there..Neither is "add"
>>
>> Oleg,
>>
>> I just had a thought on your syntax.  Might you have to wrap the range
>> reference in the Range object?
>>
>> Ex:
>> d = Sum(Range("C280:C291"))
>>
>> HTH,
>>
>> Jim DeMarco
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:34 PM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: RE: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
>>
>>
>> Charles, it works fine when it has to get a single value of a cell,
>> but fails to do additions using formula. it is supposed to get values
>> from one book and paste them to another. Values A, B, C, work fine; d
>> and e do not. I would write out everything (like I did for C) exsept
>> last vale supposed to contain a sum of 60 records, and it would make
>> the code unreadable
>>
>> Workbooks.Open Filename:="L:\PCO\Artemis\CitigroupN.xls"
>>     A = Range("C269").Value
>>     B = Range("C270").Value
>>     c = Range("C270").Value + Range("C271").Value +
>> Range("C272").Value
>> d = Sum("C280:C291")
>>     e = Range("C292:C352")
>>
>>  Windows("MAR_ArtemisCheck.xls").Activate
>>     Range("B4").Value = A
>>     Range("C4").Value = B
>>     Range("d4").Value = c
>>     Range("F4").Value = d
>>     Range("G4").Value = e
>>> Oleg,
>>>
>>> Then you are missing a needed reference to the Excel libraries.
>>>
>>> Charles Wortz
>>> Software Development Division
>>> Texas Education Agency
>>> 1701 N. Congress Ave
>>> Austin, TX 78701-1494
>>> 512-463-9493
>>> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com [mailto:Oleg_123 at xuppa.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday 2003 May 27 11:31
>>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>> Subject: RE: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
>>>
>>> It was a first thing i tried. Gives me an error message "sub or
>>> function not defined"
>>>
>>>
>>>> You can try C = SUM("C13:C18")
>>>>
>>>> Doris Manning
>>>> Database Administrator
>>>> Hargrove Inc.
>>>> www.hargroveinc.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>>>> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:12 AM
>>>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> He group,
>>>> does anyone know if I can use SUM in the case below ? I can't seem
>>>> to find it. Thanks
>>>>
>>>> C = Range("C13").Value + Range("C14").Value + Range("C15").Value +
>>>> Range("C16").Value + Range("C17").Value + Range("C18").Value
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From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca  Tue May 27 13:36:41 2003
From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:36:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
Message-ID: <sed377fd.077@cbc.ca>

Sorry for coming to the party late, but give this a shot:

dim rng as range
dim dblAnswer as Double

set rng = Worksheets("Sheet1").Range("C13:C18")
dblAnswer = WorksheetFunction.Sum(rng)

Debug.print dblAnswer

WorksheetFunction will allow you to use some Excel Worksheet functions in your VBA code.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca


>>> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com 27-May-03 12:30:44 PM >>>
It was a first thing i tried. Gives me an error message "sub or function
not defined"


> You can try C = SUM("C13:C18")
>
> Doris Manning

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com 

> He group,
> does anyone know if I can use SUM in the case below ? I can't seem to
> find it. Thanks
>
> C = Range("C13").Value + Range("C14").Value + Range("C15").Value +
> Range("C16").Value + Range("C17").Value + Range("C18").Value



From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Tue May 27 14:28:08 2003
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 15:28:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Help with Combo Box
Message-ID: <FED384E544086A47AAC07C0999BE8D17607046@albmsx2k.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

I have two combo boxes and I'm trying to limit the contents of the
second combo box based on the selection made in the first box.  I'm
obviously doing something wrong because the second combo box saving the
value of the first box in the table.

For the Row Source of the 2nd  combo box I have:

 

SELECT ComplaintGeneralCode, ComplaintSpecificDesc

FROM tblComplaintSpecific

WHERE ComplaintGeneralCode =
Forms!SF_Complaints_New!cboComplaintGeneral;

 

For the 1st combo box I have:

 

Private Sub cboComplaintGeneral_AfterUpdate()

Me!cboComplaintSpecific.Requery

End Sub

 

Table tblComplaintGeneral has two fields: ComplaintGeneralCode
(autonumber), ComplaintGeneralDesc (text)

Table tblComplaintSpecific has 3 fields:  ComplaintSpecificCode
(autonumber), ComplaintGeneralCode (long integer), ComplaintSpecificDesc
(text)

 

In addition, when I try to close the form I get a parameter window
asking for a value for Forms!SF_Complaints_New!cboComplaintGeneral

 

Any help is greatly appreciated.

 

Ed

 
Edward P. Tesiny
New York State OASAS
Evaluation and Program Monitoring
1450 Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 
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From DElam at jenkens.com  Tue May 27 14:32:51 2003
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:32:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Help with Combo Box
Message-ID: <4AAC675EBAF3D411BCA200508BCFAA8E02F21927@NATEXCH1>

What is your bound column.  By default this query will bind
ConplaintGeneralCode, which is the value from the first combo box.
 
Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Tesiny, Ed [mailto:EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us]
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 2:28 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Help with Combo Box



I have two combo boxes and I'm trying to limit the contents of the second
combo box based on the selection made in the first box.  I'm obviously doing
something wrong because the second combo box saving the value of the first
box in the table.

For the Row Source of the 2nd  combo box I have:

 

SELECT ComplaintGeneralCode, ComplaintSpecificDesc

FROM tblComplaintSpecific

WHERE ComplaintGeneralCode = Forms!SF_Complaints_New!cboComplaintGeneral;

 

For the 1st combo box I have:

 

Private Sub cboComplaintGeneral_AfterUpdate()

Me!cboComplaintSpecific.Requery

End Sub

 

Table tblComplaintGeneral has two fields: ComplaintGeneralCode (autonumber),
ComplaintGeneralDesc (text)

Table tblComplaintSpecific has 3 fields:  ComplaintSpecificCode
(autonumber), ComplaintGeneralCode (long integer), ComplaintSpecificDesc
(text)

 

In addition, when I try to close the form I get a parameter window asking
for a value for Forms!SF_Complaints_New!cboComplaintGeneral

 

Any help is greatly appreciated.

 

Ed

 
Edward P. Tesiny
New York State OASAS
Evaluation and Program Monitoring
1450 Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 



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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Tue May 27 14:33:05 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: 27 May 2003 20:33:05 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT .NET
Message-ID: <200305271933.UAA25472@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

I need someone to check the following example for me. Its a bit of C Sharp. 
Can you see if you get any sort of message when you try it out. Just want 
to confirm the results I get here.

You will need Dreamweaver MX to test this. Oh and the .NET Framework (<: 
Just cut and past the following script into a DW MX page, save into a locla 
web site and view at http://localhost/filename.

Martin


<%@ Page Language="C#" ContentType="text/html" 
ResponseEncoding="iso-8859-1" %> <%@ Register TagPrefix="MM" 
Namespace="DreamweaverCtrls" 
Assembly="DreamweaverCtrls,version=1.0.0.0,publicKeyToken=836f606ede05d46a,culture=neutral" 
%>

<html>
<head>
<title>Register</title>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
<link href="home.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css">
</head>
<body bgcolor="#000000" leftmargin="0" topmargin="0" marginwidth="0">
<form method="post" name="form2" runat="server">

<table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0">

  <tr>
    <td><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="10">

      <tr>
        <td><table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" 
bgcolor="#CCCC99">
          <tr>
            <td align="left" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" 
cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0">
              <tr>
                <td><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" 
cellpadding="10">
                    <tr>
                      <td align="left" valign="top"><div align="center">
                          <h3>Create An Account</h3>
                          <p align="left">To register, fill out the form 
below.
                            Most boxes are optional. Boxes with * next to 
them
                            are mandatory. </p>
                      </div>
                      </td>
                    </tr>
                  </table>
                </td>
              </tr>
              <tr>
                <td align="left" valign="top">
                                 <table width="100%" align="center" 
cellpadding="10" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class="tablebrdr">
                            <tr valign="baseline"> 
                              <td width="37%" align="left" valign="top"> 
Password
                                (must be between 5 and 20 characters <span 
class="red"><strong>and
                                contain at least one number and 
letter</strong></span>):
                              </td>
                              <td width="15%" align="left" valign="top"> 
                                <asp:textbox Columns="32" 
ID="EnterPassword" runat="server" Text="Enter Your Password" 
TextMode="Password" />
                                * </td>
                              <td width="48%" rowspan="3" align="left" 
valign="top"><div align="left">
                                  <p> 
                                    <asp:requiredfieldvalidator 
ControlToValidate="EnterPassword" Display="Static" 
EnableClientScript="true" ErrorMessage="Better Give Me a Password!" 
ID="vRequiredValidator" InitialValue="Enter Your Password" runat="server" 
Text="You must enter a password" />
                                    &nbsp; </p>
                                </div>
                                <p>&nbsp; </p></td>
                            </tr>
                            <tr valign="baseline"> 
                              <td align="left" valign="top"> Password (must 
match
                                above Password):</td>
                              <td align="left" valign="top"><asp:textbox 
ID="CPassword" TextMode="Password" Columns="32" runat="server" />
                                * </td>
                            </tr>
                            <tr valign="baseline"> 
                              <td  align="left" valign="top">&nbsp;</td>
                              <td align="left" valign="top"><input 
name="submit" type="submit" value="Create Account">
                              </td>
                            </tr>
                          </table>
						  </td>
              </tr>
            </table></td>
          </tr>
   
        </table></td>
      </tr>
    </table></td>
  </tr>
</table>

</form>
</body>
</html>


From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Tue May 27 14:45:30 2003
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 15:45:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Help with Combo Box
Message-ID: <FED384E544086A47AAC07C0999BE8D175B704F@albmsx2k.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Ooops, your right, bound to column 1.

Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us


-----Original Message-----
From: Elam, Debbie [mailto:DElam at jenkens.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 3:33 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help with Combo Box


What is your bound column.  By default this query will bind
ConplaintGeneralCode, which is the value from the first combo box.
 
Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Tesiny, Ed [mailto:EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us]
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 2:28 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Help with Combo Box



I have two combo boxes and I'm trying to limit the contents of the
second combo box based on the selection made in the first box.  I'm
obviously doing something wrong because the second combo box saving the
value of the first box in the table.

For the Row Source of the 2nd  combo box I have:

 

SELECT ComplaintGeneralCode, ComplaintSpecificDesc

FROM tblComplaintSpecific

WHERE ComplaintGeneralCode =
Forms!SF_Complaints_New!cboComplaintGeneral;

 

For the 1st combo box I have:

 

Private Sub cboComplaintGeneral_AfterUpdate()

Me!cboComplaintSpecific.Requery

End Sub

 

Table tblComplaintGeneral has two fields: ComplaintGeneralCode
(autonumber), ComplaintGeneralDesc (text)

Table tblComplaintSpecific has 3 fields:  ComplaintSpecificCode
(autonumber), ComplaintGeneralCode (long integer), ComplaintSpecificDesc
(text)

 

In addition, when I try to close the form I get a parameter window
asking for a value for Forms!SF_Complaints_New!cboComplaintGeneral

 

Any help is greatly appreciated.

 

Ed

 
Edward P. Tesiny
New York State OASAS
Evaluation and Program Monitoring
1450 Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 



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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Tue May 27 14:44:13 2003
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 23:44:13 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Writing raw RTF document using
	VB/VBA/C(++)/DELPHI/...
References: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29410@nnse14.nns.com>
	<5614351436.20030524150347@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000b01c32488$f38b9830$b501010a@DAISY.local>

Hi All,

I'd like to say big thanks to everybody who posted here the references on
the subj - they all are very useful! Thanks a lot!

BTW, I'm hurrying now on 'must see' event:

"Hiro Yamagata's laser show commemorating the 300th anniversary of St.
Petersburg will be held on May 27, 30 and 31, 2003 at the central part of
the Neva river. According to press service of MDM Bank (which is the sponsor
of the project), Hiro Yamagata who has considerable experience in working
with water and water surfaces is going to implement an idea of lighting all
the three bridges in front of Palace Embankment and the surface of the Neva
river. In addition, the show will cover the frontal part of the Hermitage
(facing the Neva) which will be used like a screen for changing laser rays
and laser pictures. St. Petersburg will become the first Russian city where
it will be possible to see the art of the great Japanese artist. "

http://300online.ru/en/articles/n900182_0.htm
http://www.300.ru/pages/news_spb.phtml?newsid=101#101

Hopefully I will be able to make some pictures of this show...

Thanks again for all your help,
Shamil


----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Writing raw RTF document using
VB/VBA/C(++)/DELPHI/...


> Hi Shamil
>
> I once located these links to a compact list of codes (not sure of the
> version) and some simple code examples:
>
>   http://thorkildsen.no/faqsys/docs/rtf.txt
>
>   http://www.codeguru.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=233068
>
>
> My simple need (which I never got solved) was how to assemble an
> rtf-formatted field from many records (essentially each an rtf
> document) into one rtf document, stripping headers etc. from each
> record and adding a header etc. to the final document.
>
> So if you come up with a routine for parsing an rtf string, at least
> extracting the content including bold, underline, and italic
> attributes, I would be pleased to see it.
>
> Here's a link to a class in RealBasic for parsing a subset of rtf
> formatted text. I guess you can download a trial version of RealBasic
> to study it:
>
>   http://www.belle-nuit.com/realbasic/rtfparser.html
>
> In Java life is easier:
>
>
http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.1/docs/api/javax/swing/text/rtf/RTFEditorKit.ht
ml
>
> /gustav
>
>
> > Bryan's link points to v1.6 of the RTF spec.  But, if you're interested,
I
> > was poking around and found a download link (watch for wrap) for v1.7.
>
>
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=E5B8EBC2-6AD6-49F0-
8C90-E4F763E3F04F&displaylang=en
>
> > Mark
>
>
> > RTF Files are just plain old ascii text. So Low level File I/O will work
to
> > write it.
>
> > The biggest challenge would be to get the text string correct before
writing
> > them out to the file.
>
> > Here is a link to the RTF spec.
>
>
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/?url=/library/en-us/dnrtfspec/html/rtfspec
.asp?frame=true
>
> > As for PDF, here is the link to the PDF Specs.
>
> http://partners.adobe.com/asn/acrobat/docs.jsp#filefmtspecs
>
> > Bryan Carbonnell
> > bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca
>
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From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Tue May 27 14:52:30 2003
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 15:52:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Help with Combo Box
Message-ID: <FED384E544086A47AAC07C0999BE8D175B7050@albmsx2k.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Debbie,
I added ComplaintSpecificCode to the query and bound on this column.  It
saved the correct value but a parameter box still pops up.  Any idea
why?

Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us


-----Original Message-----
From: Tesiny, Ed 
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 3:46 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help with Combo Box


Ooops, your right, bound to column 1.

Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us


-----Original Message-----
From: Elam, Debbie [mailto:DElam at jenkens.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 3:33 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help with Combo Box


What is your bound column.  By default this query will bind
ConplaintGeneralCode, which is the value from the first combo box.
 
Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Tesiny, Ed [mailto:EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us]
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 2:28 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Help with Combo Box



I have two combo boxes and I'm trying to limit the contents of the
second combo box based on the selection made in the first box.  I'm
obviously doing something wrong because the second combo box saving the
value of the first box in the table.

For the Row Source of the 2nd  combo box I have:

 

SELECT ComplaintGeneralCode, ComplaintSpecificDesc

FROM tblComplaintSpecific

WHERE ComplaintGeneralCode =
Forms!SF_Complaints_New!cboComplaintGeneral;

 

For the 1st combo box I have:

 

Private Sub cboComplaintGeneral_AfterUpdate()

Me!cboComplaintSpecific.Requery

End Sub

 

Table tblComplaintGeneral has two fields: ComplaintGeneralCode
(autonumber), ComplaintGeneralDesc (text)

Table tblComplaintSpecific has 3 fields:  ComplaintSpecificCode
(autonumber), ComplaintGeneralCode (long integer), ComplaintSpecificDesc
(text)

 

In addition, when I try to close the form I get a parameter window
asking for a value for Forms!SF_Complaints_New!cboComplaintGeneral

 

Any help is greatly appreciated.

 

Ed

 
Edward P. Tesiny
New York State OASAS
Evaluation and Program Monitoring
1450 Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 



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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue May 27 15:01:08 2003
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 15:01:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Help with Combo Box
In-Reply-To: <FED384E544086A47AAC07C0999BE8D17607046@albmsx2k.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
Message-ID: <001d01c3248a$b9a8a570$de1811d8@DanWaters>

Ed,
 
Two very quick comments -
 
1) Use Me.Refresh instead of Me.Requery.  Me.Requery is only needed if you
have changed the query itself.  Me.Refresh is used when the underlying data
has changed and you just want to re-run the existing query or recordsource,
as in your case.  Access help goes into detail on the differences between
these two commands.
 
2)  If you have a 1 - Many relationship established between the
ComplaintGeneralCode fields in the two lookup tables, remove it.   
 
HTH,
Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:28 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Help with Combo Box



I have two combo boxes and I'm trying to limit the contents of the second
combo box based on the selection made in the first box.  I'm obviously doing
something wrong because the second combo box saving the value of the first
box in the table.

For the Row Source of the 2nd  combo box I have:

 

SELECT ComplaintGeneralCode, ComplaintSpecificDesc

FROM tblComplaintSpecific

WHERE ComplaintGeneralCode = Forms!SF_Complaints_New!cboComplaintGeneral;

 

For the 1st combo box I have:

 

Private Sub cboComplaintGeneral_AfterUpdate()

Me!cboComplaintSpecific.Requery

End Sub

 

Table tblComplaintGeneral has two fields: ComplaintGeneralCode (autonumber),
ComplaintGeneralDesc (text)

Table tblComplaintSpecific has 3 fields:  ComplaintSpecificCode
(autonumber), ComplaintGeneralCode (long integer), ComplaintSpecificDesc
(text)

 

In addition, when I try to close the form I get a parameter window asking
for a value for Forms!SF_Complaints_New!cboComplaintGeneral

 

Any help is greatly appreciated.

 

Ed

 
Edward P. Tesiny
New York State OASAS
Evaluation and Program Monitoring
1450 Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Tue May 27 15:43:12 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: 27 May 2003 21:43:12 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT Regular Expressions
Message-ID: <200305272043.VAA26213@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

[a-zA-Z]+\w*\d+\w*"

What does the above regular expression do???



Martin



From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue May 27 16:12:56 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 16:12:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Basic Design Question
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802226C99@main2.marlow.com>

Hmmm, just off hand, to be simple on this, just add a field to both tables
and set it's default value to 1.  Then you can 'join' the tables on that
field.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Darren DICK [mailto:d.dick at uws.edu.au]
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 7:03 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K: Basic Design Question


Hi Susan
Thanks for the reply
tblReminders has hundreds of records in it with about 7 or 8 fields.
tblOptions will only ever have 1 record in it with about 5 or 6 fields.

Nothing in tblOptions relates to anything in tbleReminders.
tblReminders has date, time, YesNo flags and text fields that hold info
about appointments.

tblOptions has similar fields but hold local settings info eg how long a
timer interval is
the path for various logos, paths for sound files etc. There will only ever
be one record in this
table

Thanks again

Darren




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From: "Susan Harkins" <harkins at iglou.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K: Basic Design Question


> You're specifying these options for each record in the continuous form?
If
> that's the case, why not just base the form on a multi-table query? I
> probably don't understand the question. :)
> 
> Susan H.
> 
> 
> > Hello all
> >  I have a continuous form that has varying recordsets.
> > Pretty much the same data but with things like...
> > Show for a Date or a Date Range Show for Completed/ Not Completed
> > Show for Future/Past/Next week etc etc. All held in tblReminders
> >
> > I have a set of options all held in tblOptions.
> > I want the settings kept in the options table to be presented to the
user
> in the
> > footer of the continuous form. But I can't get the 2 together because
they
> have
> > no matching record. I can't put the options in a sub form because you
> can't have
> > a sub form in a continuous form.
> > I though about a union query but that means I would have to manage all
the
> > current RecordSet setting in pure SQL  - I'm not good enough for that.
> >
> > Anyway how do you guys handle these situations?
> >
> > Many thanks in advance
> >
> > Darren
> >
> >
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue May 27 16:21:28 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 07:21:28 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] HyperLinks
In-Reply-To: <000001c32469$0e98b240$8500a8c0@CX615377a>
References: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFGENJCIAA.accessd@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <3ED46378.28983.3030EB@localhost>

On 27 May 2003 at 9:00, Doug Murphy wrote:

> Jim,
> 
> Thank you.  That makes sense.  Is there a property of a hyperlink that
> indicates which type it is?  I guess I could develop a routine using
> the dir function to check paths but it would be better to use a built
> in property.
> 

Not built in, but Mid$(myLink,2,1) = ":" will only return True if it 
is a full path.





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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue May 27 16:41:15 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 07:41:15 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT Regular Expressions
In-Reply-To: <200305272043.VAA26213@hosea.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <3ED4681B.24532.424C5F@localhost>

On 27 May 2003 at 21:43, Martin Reid wrote:

> [a-zA-Z]+\w*\d+\w*"
> 
> What does the above regular expression do???
> 

A list of characters enclosed by [ and ] matches any single character 
in that list; if the first character of the list is the caret ^ then 
it matches any character not in the list.

+      The preceding item will be matched one or more times.
*      The preceding item will be matched zero or more times.

The symbol \w is a synonym for [[:alnum:]] and \W is a synonym for 
[^[:alnum]].

You've got me beat with the "\d" are you sure about that one? 

So:

[a-zA-Z]+   any string of at least one alpha character
\w*             followed by zero of more alphanumerics
\d+            followed by one or more "\d"s  ???????
\W*           followed by zero or more non-alphanumerics



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From doug at murphyscreativity.com  Tue May 27 16:44:24 2003
From: doug at murphyscreativity.com (Doug Murphy)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:44:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] HyperLinks
In-Reply-To: <3ED46378.28983.3030EB@localhost>
Message-ID: <001601c32499$23d25910$8500a8c0@CX615377a>

Hi Stuart,

Good idea but it won't work in this case because the files are on a
network drive and path is given by UNC.  I think testing for file
existence using Dir is the surest way to go.

Thank you for your input.

Doug

Douglas Murphy
Murphy's Creativity
(619) 334-5121
doug at murphyscreativity.com
www.murphyscreativity.com



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 2:21 PM
To: Doug Murphy; accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] HyperLinks

On 27 May 2003 at 9:00, Doug Murphy wrote:

> Jim,
> 
> Thank you.  That makes sense.  Is there a property of a hyperlink that
> indicates which type it is?  I guess I could develop a routine using
> the dir function to check paths but it would be better to use a built
> in property.
> 

Not built in, but Mid$(myLink,2,1) = ":" will only return True if it 
is a full path.





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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Tue May 27 18:13:26 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 16:13:26 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT Regular Expressions
References: <200305272043.VAA26213@hosea.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <3ED3F116.8070005@shaw.ca>



Martin Reid wrote:

> [a-zA-Z]+\w*\d+\w*"
>
> What does the above regular expression do???
>
>
>
> Martin

 Here is a Regular Expression documentor I got permission to use a few 
years back
from Don Edwards.

gives you
any of
Followed by a, -, z, A, -, Z one or more times
Followed by word-char zero or more times
Followed by digit one or more times
Followed by word-char zero or more times


'  Attribute VB_Name = "mDocumenter"
' 'From: Don Edwards <don.edwards at ci.seattle.wa.us>
' see regexpressions at www.vbxml.com or www.topxml.com

Public Const TestExpr As String = _
        "^[\w\-]+(\.[\w\-]{2,})*@[\w\-]+(\.[\w\-]{2,})*$"
Public gtxtPatternDescription As String
Private bForceLine As Boolean
Private bNewline As Boolean
Private bIndent As Boolean
Private bFollowed As Boolean
Private lM As Long
Private lH As Long
Private lPattern As Long
Private sIn As String, sOut As String
'From: Don Edwards <don.edwards at ci.seattle.wa.us>

Sub TestDocReg()
'Debug.Print RegExpD("^[\w\-]+(\.[\w\-]{2,})*@[\w\-]+(\.[\w\-]{2,})*$")
'Debug.Print 
RegExpD("^[01]?\s*[\(\.-]?(\d{3})[\)\.-]?\s*(\d{3})[\.-](\d{4})$")
Debug.Print RegExpD("/.//created/@month")
Debug.Print RegExpD("@* | * | pi() | comment() | text()")
End Sub

Private Sub NewLine(ByVal lIndent As Long)
Static lLineStart As Long
    If sOut = "" Then Exit Sub
    If lLineStart > Len(sOut) Or lLineStart = 0 Then lLineStart = 1
    If Trim(Mid(sOut, lLineStart)) = "" Then Exit Sub
    If bNewline Then sOut = sOut & vbCrLf
    If bIndent And (lIndent > 0) Then sOut = sOut & Space(lIndent)
    If bFollowed Then sOut = sOut & "Followed by"
   
    lLineStart = Len(sOut) + 1
   
    bForceLine = False
End Sub

Private Sub AddOn(ByVal sAdd As String, _
    ByVal lIndent As Long, Optional ByVal pbForceLine As Boolean = False)
   
    If bForceLine Or pbForceLine Then NewLine lIndent
   
    If Len(sOut) = 0 And Left(sAdd, 1) = " " Then
        sAdd = Mid(sAdd, 2)
    ElseIf Right(sOut, 1) = " " And Left(sAdd, 1) = " " Then
        sAdd = Mid(sAdd, 2)
    ElseIf Len(sOut) >= Len(vbCrLf) And Left(sAdd, 1) = " " Then
        If Right(sOut, Len(vbCrLf)) = vbCrLf Then
            sAdd = Mid(sAdd, 2)
        End If
    End If
   
    sOut = sOut & sAdd
       
    If Len(sAdd) < Len(vbCrLf) Then
        bNewline = True
    Else
        bNewline = (Right(sAdd, Len(vbCrLf)) <> vbCrLf)
    End If
    bNewline = True
    bIndent = True
    bFollowed = True
End Sub

Public Function RegExpD(ByVal rexIn As String) As String
    lH = 1
    lM = Len(rexIn)
    lPattern = 0
    sIn = rexIn
    sOut = ""
    bNewline = True
    bFollowed = False
    bIndent = True
    Debug.Print lH, lM
    Do
        RegExpD2 0
    Loop Until lH > lM
    RegExpD = sOut
End Function

Public Sub RegExpD2(ByVal lIndent As Long)
    Dim lP As Long
    Do Until lH > lM
        Select Case Mid(sIn, lH, 1)
        Case "^":
            AddOn " Start of input", lIndent
            lH = lH + 1
            bForceLine = True
            bNewline = True
        Case "$":
            AddOn " End of input", lIndent
            lH = lH + 1
            bForceLine = True
            bNewline = True
        Case "*":
            bForceLine = False
            AddOn " zero or more times", lIndent
            lH = lH + 1
            bForceLine = True
            bNewline = True
        Case "+":
            bForceLine = False
            AddOn " one or more times", lIndent
            lH = lH + 1
            bForceLine = True
            bNewline = True
        Case "?":
            bForceLine = False
            AddOn " zero or one times", lIndent
            lH = lH + 1
            bForceLine = True
            bNewline = True
        Case ".":
            AddOn " any non-newline", lIndent
            lH = lH + 1
            bNewline = True
        Case "(":
            lPattern = lPattern + 1
            lP = lPattern
            lH = lH + 1
            AddOn " Pattern-" & CStr(lPattern) & ": (", True
            bForceLine = True
            bFollowed = False
           
            RegExpD2 lIndent + 4
           
            bFollowed = False
            AddOn ")-end-Pattern-" & CStr(lP), lIndent, True
            bForceLine = True
            bNewline = True
        Case ")":
            lH = lH + 1
            Exit Sub
        Case "|":
            lH = lH + 1
            AddOn " or", lIndent
            bNewline = True
        Case "{":
            bForceLine = False
            lH = lH + 1
            AddOn " ", lIndent
            Do
                If lH > lM Then Exit Do
                Select Case Mid(sIn, lH, 1)
                Case "}":
                    AddOn " times", lIndent
                    lH = lH + 1
                    Exit Do
                Case ",":
                    lH = lH + 1
                    If Mid(sIn, lH, 1) = "}" Then
                        AddOn " or more", lIndent
                    Else
                        AddOn " to ", lIndent
                    End If
                Case Else:
                    AddOn Mid(sIn, lH, 1), lIndent
                    lH = lH + 1
                End Select
            Loop
            bForceLine = True
            bNewline = True
        Case "[":
            lH = lH + 1
            If Mid(sIn, lH, 1) = "^" Then
                AddOn " any except", lIndent, True
            Else
                AddOn " any of", lIndent, True
            End If
            lP = lH
            Do
                If lH > lM Then Exit Do
                If lH <> lP Then
                    AddOn ",", lIndent
                End If
                ParseChar lIndent
            Loop Until Mid(sIn, lH, 1) = "]"
            lH = lH + 1
            bForceLine = True
            bNewline = True
        Case "/":
            lH = lH + 1
            AddOn " Char-", lIndent, True
            Do
                If lH > lM Then Exit Do
                If Mid(sIn, lH, 1) = "/" Then Exit Do
                AddOn Mid(sIn, lH, 1), lIndent
                lH = lH + 1
            Loop
            lH = lH + 1
            bNewline = True
        Case "\":
            ParseChar lIndent
            bNewline = True
        Case " ": AddOn " space", lIndent
            lH = lH + 1
            bNewline = True
        Case ",": AddOn " comma", lIndent
            lH = lH + 1
            bNewline = True
        Case Else: AddOn " " & Mid(sIn, lH, 1), lIndent
            lH = lH + 1
            bNewline = True
        End Select
    Loop
End Sub

Private Sub ParseChar(ByVal lIndent As Long)
    Select Case Mid(sIn, lH, 1)
    Case "\":
        lH = lH + 1
        Select Case Mid(sIn, lH, 1)
        Case "b": AddOn " word-edge", lIndent
        Case "B": AddOn " not-word-edge", lIndent
        Case "d": AddOn " digit", lIndent
        Case "D": AddOn " not-digit", lIndent
        Case "f": AddOn " formfeed", lIndent
        Case "n": AddOn " newline", lIndent
        Case "r": AddOn " return", lIndent
        Case "s": AddOn " whitespace", lIndent
        Case "S": AddOn " non-whitespace", lIndent
        Case "t": AddOn " tab", lIndent
        Case "v": AddOn " vertical-tab", lIndent
        Case "w": AddOn " word-char", lIndent
        Case "W": AddOn " not-word-char", lIndent
        Case "1" To "9": AddOn " Pattern-", lIndent
            Do
                AddOn Mid(sIn, lH, 1), lIndent
                lH = lH + 1
                If lH > lM Then Exit Do
                If InStr("0123456789", Mid(sIn, lH, 1)) = 0 Then Exit Do
            Loop
            lH = lH - 1
        Case Else:
            AddOn " " & Mid(sIn, lH, 1), lIndent
        End Select
        lH = lH + 1
    Case " ": AddOn " space", lIndent
        lH = lH + 1
    Case ",": AddOn " comma", lIndent
        lH = lH + 1
    Case Else: AddOn " " & Mid(sIn, lH, 1), lIndent
        lH = lH + 1
    End Select
End Sub




From kathryn at bassett.net  Tue May 27 18:35:22 2003
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 16:35:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Specifying where to open browser
Message-ID: <JGENLKHHDJPDMMDICAKIOEMMEOAB.kathryn@bassett.net>

There is an event procudure that opens the "look in" browser. What would I add to the below (and where) to get the blasted thing to open in the center of my screen instead of the upper left of the screen. I need to see upper left portion of the underlying form, to remind me of the name of the person I'm looking for in the "look in", and the way it is now, I have to drag it out of the way.

Thanks,

Private Sub btnbrowse_Click()
         Dim OpenFile As OPENFILENAME
         Dim lReturn As Long
         Dim sFilter As String
         OpenFile.lStructSize = Len(OpenFile)
         OpenFile.hwndOwner = Me.hWnd
         OpenFile.hInstance = 0
         sFilter = "" & Chr(0)
         OpenFile.lpstrFilter = sFilter
         OpenFile.nFilterIndex = 1
         OpenFile.lpstrFile = String(257, 0)
         OpenFile.nMaxFile = Len(OpenFile.lpstrFile) - 1
         OpenFile.lpstrFileTitle = OpenFile.lpstrFile
         OpenFile.nMaxFileTitle = OpenFile.nMaxFile
         ' Start looking in the same directory as the database
         OpenFile.lpstrInitialDir = "D:\MyFiles\Online\muir63\photos63\"
         ' Set the caption on the dialog
         OpenFile.lpstrTitle = "Select Photo"
         OpenFile.flags = 0
         lReturn = GetOpenFileName(OpenFile)
         txtPhoto = Left$(OpenFile.lpstrFile, InStr(OpenFile.lpstrFile, Chr$(0)) - 1)

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue May 27 19:22:02 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:22:02 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] HyperLinks
In-Reply-To: <001601c32499$23d25910$8500a8c0@CX615377a>
References: <3ED46378.28983.3030EB@localhost>
Message-ID: <3ED48DCA.15130.D582B6@localhost>

On 27 May 2003 at 14:44, Doug Murphy wrote:

> Hi Stuart,
> 
> Good idea but it won't work in this case because the files are on a
> network drive and path is given by UNC.  I think testing for file
> existence using Dir is the surest way to go.
> 
> Thank you for your input.
> 

In that case

Left$(myLink,2) = "\\" will be true only if it's a full UNC path


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From MPorter at acsalaska.com  Tue May 27 19:38:49 2003
From: MPorter at acsalaska.com (Porter, Mark)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 16:38:49 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch
Message-ID: <BFBC9BAC6169D411890000508BAE2C53031207C0@acsexch4.corp.acsalaska.com>


I have a secured Access 2000 file format database and want to use the
/wrkgrp command line switch in a shortcut to associate with the workgroup on
startup.  This command switch is not working 
( F:\sis\CCA_App.mdb /WRKGRP "F:\sis\CCA_Workgroup.mdw" )

the user accesses the correct file but under the system.mdw workgroup.  

I've verified that the file locations and the spelling are all correct.  Any
ideas?

Thanks,

Mark


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From SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au  Tue May 27 19:46:06 2003
From: SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au (Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:46:06 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch
References: <BFBC9BAC6169D411890000508BAE2C53031207C0@acsexch4.corp.acsalaska.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c324b2$85e9da60$54dd31d2@OfficePC>

Hi Mark - Here's my copy of normal syntax for the line.  Maybe put your F:\sis\CCA_App.mdb  in quotes?  If that doesn't work I would try a workgroup name with no underscore??

"C:\Program Files\Office2K\Office\MSACCESS.EXE"  "c:\MyDatabase.mdb"
/WRKGRP "W:\Security\MySecurityFile.mdw"

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Porter, Mark 
  To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:38 AM
  Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch



  I have a secured Access 2000 file format database and want to use the
  /wrkgrp command line switch in a shortcut to associate with the workgroup on
  startup.  This command switch is not working 
  ( F:\sis\CCA_App.mdb /WRKGRP "F:\sis\CCA_Workgroup.mdw" )

  the user accesses the correct file but under the system.mdw workgroup.  

  I've verified that the file locations and the spelling are all correct.  Any
  ideas?

  Thanks,

  Mark


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From SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au  Tue May 27 19:53:24 2003
From: SDSSoftware at Optusnet.com.au (Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd.)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:53:24 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch
References: 	<BFBC9BAC6169D411890000508BAE2C53031207C0@acsexch4.corp.acsalaska.com>
	<001b01c324b2$85e9da60$54dd31d2@OfficePC>
Message-ID: <003701c324b3$8b6df150$54dd31d2@OfficePC>

Mark- scrap that comment about the underscore - I re-read that part of the Security FAQ and it says ' Any valid file name can be used, such as Wrkgrp_Sec.mdw.'

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  From: Software Design & Solutions Pty Ltd. 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:46 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch


  Hi Mark - Here's my copy of normal syntax for the line.  Maybe put your F:\sis\CCA_App.mdb  in quotes?  If that doesn't work I would try a workgroup name with no underscore??

  "C:\Program Files\Office2K\Office\MSACCESS.EXE"  "c:\MyDatabase.mdb"
  /WRKGRP "W:\Security\MySecurityFile.mdw"

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Porter, Mark 
    To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com' 
    Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:38 AM
    Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch



    I have a secured Access 2000 file format database and want to use the
    /wrkgrp command line switch in a shortcut to associate with the workgroup on
    startup.  This command switch is not working 
    ( F:\sis\CCA_App.mdb /WRKGRP "F:\sis\CCA_Workgroup.mdw" )

    the user accesses the correct file but under the system.mdw workgroup.  

    I've verified that the file locations and the spelling are all correct.  Any
    ideas?

    Thanks,

    Mark


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Tue May 27 19:53:41 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 19:53:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802226C9C@main2.marlow.com>

The shortcut has to have the path to MSAccess.exe in quotes, then the db
path in quotes, followed by whatever switches.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 7:39 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch



I have a secured Access 2000 file format database and want to use the
/wrkgrp command line switch in a shortcut to associate with the workgroup on
startup.  This command switch is not working 
( F:\sis\CCA_App.mdb /WRKGRP "F:\sis\CCA_Workgroup.mdw" )

the user accesses the correct file but under the system.mdw workgroup.  

I've verified that the file locations and the spelling are all correct.  Any
ideas?

Thanks,

Mark


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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Tue May 27 20:59:07 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 21:59:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Specifying where to open browser
References: <JGENLKHHDJPDMMDICAKIOEMMEOAB.kathryn@bassett.net>
Message-ID: <00e801c324bc$bae77b50$6401a8c0@default>

Kathryn,

The best thing you could do is
1) Make your OFN into a stand-alone function
    that returns a string.
2) Create a small form and open it to the middle
    of your screen using MoveSize. Make this form's
    hwnd the parent for your dialog box.
3) When you get lReturn, then close the little form.

P.S.
I have looked this over and tried to fit in
FindWindow("#32770", "Select Photo"), but it just can't be done.
And you would not believe what goes into CreateWindowEx, so
just creating the form is the easiest way to go.

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kathryn Bassett" <kathryn at bassett.net>
To: "dbAdvisors (AccessD)" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 7:35 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Specifying where to open browser


> There is an event procudure that opens the "look in" browser. What would I
add to the below (and where) to get the blasted thing to open in the center
of my screen instead of the upper left of the screen. I need to see upper
left portion of the underlying form, to remind me of the name of the person
I'm looking for in the "look in", and the way it is now, I have to drag it
out of the way.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Private Sub btnbrowse_Click()
>          Dim OpenFile As OPENFILENAME
>          Dim lReturn As Long
>          Dim sFilter As String
>          OpenFile.lStructSize = Len(OpenFile)
>          OpenFile.hwndOwner = Me.hWnd
>          OpenFile.hInstance = 0
>          sFilter = "" & Chr(0)
>          OpenFile.lpstrFilter = sFilter
>          OpenFile.nFilterIndex = 1
>          OpenFile.lpstrFile = String(257, 0)
>          OpenFile.nMaxFile = Len(OpenFile.lpstrFile) - 1
>          OpenFile.lpstrFileTitle = OpenFile.lpstrFile
>          OpenFile.nMaxFileTitle = OpenFile.nMaxFile
>          ' Start looking in the same directory as the database
>          OpenFile.lpstrInitialDir = "D:\MyFiles\Online\muir63\photos63\"
>          ' Set the caption on the dialog
>          OpenFile.lpstrTitle = "Select Photo"
>          OpenFile.flags = 0
>          lReturn = GetOpenFileName(OpenFile)
>          txtPhoto = Left$(OpenFile.lpstrFile, InStr(OpenFile.lpstrFile,
Chr$(0)) - 1)
>
> --
> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
> "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
> kathryn at bassett.net
> http://bassett.net
>
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From kathryn at bassett.net  Wed May 28 00:22:14 2003
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 22:22:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Specifying where to open browser
In-Reply-To: <00e801c324bc$bae77b50$6401a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <JGENLKHHDJPDMMDICAKIAENPEOAB.kathryn@bassett.net>

Thanks for the suggestion, but I wouldn't have a clue how to do that. Someone else wrote the routine for me, as I don't know how to do code. I'm almost through the F's in the database, so may end up finishing before I get an answer. But, I'm sure I'll use it in some future database, so still hope to find the answer. Gotta find Stuart's address and ask him about it, since he wrote it.

Thanks for trying, even though I'm not up to that level of understanding.

--
Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
> Mattys
> Sent: 27 May 2003 6:59:PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Specifying where to open browser
> 
> 
> Kathryn,
> 
> The best thing you could do is
> 1) Make your OFN into a stand-alone function
>     that returns a string.
> 2) Create a small form and open it to the middle
>     of your screen using MoveSize. Make this form's
>     hwnd the parent for your dialog box.
> 3) When you get lReturn, then close the little form.
> 
> P.S.
> I have looked this over and tried to fit in
> FindWindow("#32770", "Select Photo"), but it just can't be done.
> And you would not believe what goes into CreateWindowEx, so
> just creating the form is the easiest way to go.
> 
> Michael R. Mattys
> www.mattysconsulting.com
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kathryn Bassett" <kathryn at bassett.net>
> To: "dbAdvisors (AccessD)" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 7:35 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Specifying where to open browser
> 
> 
> > There is an event procudure that opens the "look in" browser. What would I
> add to the below (and where) to get the blasted thing to open in the center
> of my screen instead of the upper left of the screen. I need to see upper
> left portion of the underlying form, to remind me of the name of the person
> I'm looking for in the "look in", and the way it is now, I have to drag it
> out of the way.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Private Sub btnbrowse_Click()
> >          Dim OpenFile As OPENFILENAME
> >          Dim lReturn As Long
> >          Dim sFilter As String
> >          OpenFile.lStructSize = Len(OpenFile)
> >          OpenFile.hwndOwner = Me.hWnd
> >          OpenFile.hInstance = 0
> >          sFilter = "" & Chr(0)
> >          OpenFile.lpstrFilter = sFilter
> >          OpenFile.nFilterIndex = 1
> >          OpenFile.lpstrFile = String(257, 0)
> >          OpenFile.nMaxFile = Len(OpenFile.lpstrFile) - 1
> >          OpenFile.lpstrFileTitle = OpenFile.lpstrFile
> >          OpenFile.nMaxFileTitle = OpenFile.nMaxFile
> >          ' Start looking in the same directory as the database
> >          OpenFile.lpstrInitialDir = "D:\MyFiles\Online\muir63\photos63\"
> >          ' Set the caption on the dialog
> >          OpenFile.lpstrTitle = "Select Photo"
> >          OpenFile.flags = 0
> >          lReturn = GetOpenFileName(OpenFile)
> >          txtPhoto = Left$(OpenFile.lpstrFile, InStr(OpenFile.lpstrFile,
> Chr$(0)) - 1)
> >
> > --
> > Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
> > "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
> > kathryn at bassett.net
> > http://bassett.net
> >
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed May 28 02:22:53 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 17:22:53 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Specifying where to open browser
In-Reply-To: <JGENLKHHDJPDMMDICAKIOEMMEOAB.kathryn@bassett.net>
Message-ID: <3ED4F06D.7383.256D324@localhost>

On 27 May 2003 at 16:35, Kathryn Bassett wrote:

> There is an event procudure that opens the "look in" browser. What
> would I add to the below (and where) to get the blasted thing to open
> in the center of my screen instead of the upper left of the screen. I
> need to see upper left portion of the underlying form, to remind me of
> the name of the person I'm looking for in the "look in", and the way
> it is now, I have to drag it out of the way.
> 
> Thanks,
> 

As Michael said, you can use another form to control the position, 
but note that the form must be "Popup", otherwise the dialog will 
still use the main Access Window for it's location.  

Here's what to do with your current code.

Create a new unbound form "frmPosition" set it just a few pixels high 
and wide. Set  it with no scroll bars, record selectors or navigation 
buttons.

Set Autocenter to No
Set its Popup state to Yes 

Position it somewhere well down on your screen and save it ( move it 
around and re-Save it as necesary after testing the changes below to 
get it where you want it)

Change your code as follows:

1. Insert this line straight after the DIM lines:

         DoCmd.OpenForm "frmPosition", , , , , acHidden

2.  Change this 
       OpenFile.hwndOwner = Me.hWnd
to this
      OpenFile.hwndOwner = Forms!frmPosition.Hwnd

3. Insert this straight after the call to GetOpenFileName() 
       	 DoCmd.Close , "frmPosition"


-- 
Lexacorp Ltd
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From gustav at cactus.dk  Wed May 28 02:55:56 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 09:55:56 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] SAP Partnership Agreement with MySQL
In-Reply-To: <7323063333.20030526181856@cactus.dk>
References: <13922855093.20030526181527@cactus.dk>
 <7323063333.20030526181856@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <99093836.20030528095556@cactus.dk>

Here's the official announcement from MySQL about the SAP DB database
engine:

  http://www.mysql.com/news/article-351.html

/gustav


From nkling at co.montgomery.ny.us  Wed May 28 07:17:03 2003
From: nkling at co.montgomery.ny.us (Neal Kling)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 08:17:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Specifying where to open browser
Message-ID: <0EAA9F4906BA554FA26E6F9F2C5403022BD600@elmo.co.montgomery.ny.us>

One way to approach this would be to add the person's name to the
caption of the browser.


' Set the caption on the dialog
OpenFile.lpstrTitle = "Select Photo for " & Me.PersonFirstName _
	& " " & Me.PersonLastName

You'd have to adjust the field names as appropriate.

Neal Kling
Lotus, isn't that some kind of fancy flower?


-----Original Message-----
From: Kathryn Bassett [mailto:kathryn at bassett.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 7:35 PM
To: dbAdvisors (AccessD)
Subject: [AccessD] Specifying where to open browser


There is an event procudure that opens the "look in" browser. What would
I add to the below (and where) to get the blasted thing to open in the
center of my screen instead of the upper left of the screen. I need to
see upper left portion of the underlying form, to remind me of the name
of the person I'm looking for in the "look in", and the way it is now, I
have to drag it out of the way.

Thanks,

Private Sub btnbrowse_Click()
         Dim OpenFile As OPENFILENAME
         Dim lReturn As Long
         Dim sFilter As String
         OpenFile.lStructSize = Len(OpenFile)
         OpenFile.hwndOwner = Me.hWnd
         OpenFile.hInstance = 0
         sFilter = "" & Chr(0)
         OpenFile.lpstrFilter = sFilter
         OpenFile.nFilterIndex = 1
         OpenFile.lpstrFile = String(257, 0)
         OpenFile.nMaxFile = Len(OpenFile.lpstrFile) - 1
         OpenFile.lpstrFileTitle = OpenFile.lpstrFile
         OpenFile.nMaxFileTitle = OpenFile.nMaxFile
         ' Start looking in the same directory as the database
         OpenFile.lpstrInitialDir = "D:\MyFiles\Online\muir63\photos63\"
         ' Set the caption on the dialog
         OpenFile.lpstrTitle = "Select Photo"
         OpenFile.flags = 0
         lReturn = GetOpenFileName(OpenFile)
         txtPhoto = Left$(OpenFile.lpstrFile, InStr(OpenFile.lpstrFile,
Chr$(0)) - 1)

--
Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net  

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From DElam at jenkens.com  Wed May 28 07:43:37 2003
From: DElam at jenkens.com (Elam, Debbie)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 07:43:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Help with Combo Box
Message-ID: <4AAC675EBAF3D411BCA200508BCFAA8E02F21935@NATEXCH1>

My first thought is to check for typos.  I use the query builder to insert
the name of the first combo box to make sure I did not mess it up slightly.
I can't think of anything else right off.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Tesiny, Ed [mailto:EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us]
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 2:53 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help with Combo Box


Debbie,
I added ComplaintSpecificCode to the query and bound on this column.  It
saved the correct value but a parameter box still pops up.  Any idea
why?

Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us


-----Original Message-----
From: Tesiny, Ed 
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 3:46 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help with Combo Box


Ooops, your right, bound to column 1.

Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us


-----Original Message-----
From: Elam, Debbie [mailto:DElam at jenkens.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 3:33 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Help with Combo Box


What is your bound column.  By default this query will bind
ConplaintGeneralCode, which is the value from the first combo box.
 
Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Tesiny, Ed [mailto:EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us]
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 2:28 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Help with Combo Box



I have two combo boxes and I'm trying to limit the contents of the
second combo box based on the selection made in the first box.  I'm
obviously doing something wrong because the second combo box saving the
value of the first box in the table.

For the Row Source of the 2nd  combo box I have:

 

SELECT ComplaintGeneralCode, ComplaintSpecificDesc

FROM tblComplaintSpecific

WHERE ComplaintGeneralCode =
Forms!SF_Complaints_New!cboComplaintGeneral;

 

For the 1st combo box I have:

 

Private Sub cboComplaintGeneral_AfterUpdate()

Me!cboComplaintSpecific.Requery

End Sub

 

Table tblComplaintGeneral has two fields: ComplaintGeneralCode
(autonumber), ComplaintGeneralDesc (text)

Table tblComplaintSpecific has 3 fields:  ComplaintSpecificCode
(autonumber), ComplaintGeneralCode (long integer), ComplaintSpecificDesc
(text)

 

In addition, when I try to close the form I get a parameter window
asking for a value for Forms!SF_Complaints_New!cboComplaintGeneral

 

Any help is greatly appreciated.

 

Ed

 
Edward P. Tesiny
New York State OASAS
Evaluation and Program Monitoring
1450 Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 



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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Wed May 28 07:51:02 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 07:51:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F87843@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Mark,

The following method always works for me: "UNC path to correct version
of MSAccess.exe" /Wrkgp "UNC path to proper .mdw" "UNC path to your
Access app".  Notice that this includes three quoted strings, not one or
two.  The quotes are required only for those paths that include spaces
and other characters that disrupt the command parser.  Of course, M$
puts spaces in all of its file directory names!

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com] 
Sent: Tuesday 2003 May 27 19:39
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch

I have a secured Access 2000 file format database and want to use the
/wrkgrp command line switch in a shortcut to associate with the
workgroup on startup.  This command switch is not working 
( F:\sis\CCA_App.mdb /WRKGRP "F:\sis\CCA_Workgroup.mdw" )

the user accesses the correct file but under the system.mdw workgroup.  

I've verified that the file locations and the spelling are all correct.
Any ideas?

Thanks,

Mark

From mitsules_ms at nns.com  Wed May 28 08:20:49 2003
From: mitsules_ms at nns.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 09:20:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E2941E@nnse14.nns.com>

Group,

Is anyone aware of a method to change the default size of a <TITLE> tag?  I
have a unique situation where I need to change a <TITLE> tag from its
default size to <H3> size (PHB strikes again).  Currently, the only way I've
been able to do this is by placing <H3> tags within the <TITLE> tag.
Although this approach does change the size as required, it unfortunately
prints the <H3></H3> tags literally in the title bar.  It seems that a CSS
approach would address this, but an external .css is not loaded until the
<HEAD> section...any ideas?

Any pointers, references would be greatly appreciated,


Mark

From jbhuffman at mdh.org  Wed May 28 08:28:13 2003
From: jbhuffman at mdh.org (Huffman, Jarad B.)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 08:28:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css
Message-ID: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B4801935751@NEWMAN_EXC>

Embed the title tag in the head section.  Then, I believe you can use a font
tag with a size associated for the title.

HTH,
Jarad Huffman

-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:mitsules_ms at nns.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 8:21 AM
To: 'AccessD'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css


Group,

Is anyone aware of a method to change the default size of a <TITLE> tag?  I
have a unique situation where I need to change a <TITLE> tag from its
default size to <H3> size (PHB strikes again).  Currently, the only way I've
been able to do this is by placing <H3> tags within the <TITLE> tag.
Although this approach does change the size as required, it unfortunately
prints the <H3></H3> tags literally in the title bar.  It seems that a CSS
approach would address this, but an external .css is not loaded until the
<HEAD> section...any ideas?

Any pointers, references would be greatly appreciated,


Mark
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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Wed May 28 08:29:55 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 08:29:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F87844@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Mark,

Are you saying that <H3><TITLE>...</TITLE></H3> didn't work?  IIRC, the
later versions of HTML allow the <TITLE> tag to have a FontSize
property.  If you go to W3C's website you should be able to find the
full definition of current HTML tag properties.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:mitsules_ms at nns.com] 
Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 28 08:21
To: 'AccessD'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css

Group,

Is anyone aware of a method to change the default size of a <TITLE> tag?
I have a unique situation where I need to change a <TITLE> tag from its
default size to <H3> size (PHB strikes again).  Currently, the only way
I've been able to do this is by placing <H3> tags within the <TITLE>
tag. Although this approach does change the size as required, it
unfortunately prints the <H3></H3> tags literally in the title bar.  It
seems that a CSS approach would address this, but an external .css is
not loaded until the <HEAD> section...any ideas?

Any pointers, references would be greatly appreciated,


Mark

From weeden1949 at hotmail.com  Wed May 28 08:39:27 2003
From: weeden1949 at hotmail.com (Greg S)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 08:39:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch
References: <BFBC9BAC6169D411890000508BAE2C53031207C0@acsexch4.corp.acsalaska.com>
Message-ID: <BAY8-DAV7DfFbeDrlVF00003a8d@hotmail.com>

Mark:

Here's one I use all the time...even have it as a shortcut:

"C:\Program Files\MSOffice97\Office\MSACCESS.EXE" /wrkgrp "C:\Documents and
Settings\gsmith\My Documents\Access\Bhc Recorder\Mdws\RecAdmin010903.mdw"

I have several of these setup as shortcuts to access 97, 2000, and xp
separately so, depending on what I'm programming in, I can pick the one I
want easily and not have to join anything manually.

Greg Smith
Programmer
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From: "Porter, Mark" <MPorter at acsalaska.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 7:38 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch



I have a secured Access 2000 file format database and want to use the
/wrkgrp command line switch in a shortcut to associate with the workgroup on
startup.  This command switch is not working
( F:\sis\CCA_App.mdb /WRKGRP "F:\sis\CCA_Workgroup.mdw" )

the user accesses the correct file but under the system.mdw workgroup.

I've verified that the file locations and the spelling are all correct.  Any
ideas?

Thanks,

Mark


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From MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com  Wed May 28 09:35:22 2003
From: MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com (Mark Boyd)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:35:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records
Message-ID: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D7765@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>

I have a table with the following records:

John

John

Bill

Bob

 

I need to find out how many unique records there are.

My current approach is 1 query grouping the above table.

Then, I get a count of grouped records with a 2nd query.

 

Is there a way to avoid using 2 queries for this?

The above is obviously an example.  The table actually holds thousands
and thousands of records.

 

Thanks,

Mark Boyd

Sr. Systems Analyst

McBee Associates, Inc.

 

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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Wed May 28 09:42:39 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 09:42:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F35874@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Mark,

The Select statement can be qualified with either Distinct or
DistinctRow.  I am unable to tell you which is the more appropriate for
your situation from the information you provided.


Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Boyd [mailto:MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com] 
Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 28 09:35
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records

I have a table with the following records:
John
John
Bill
Bob

I need to find out how many unique records there are.
My current approach is 1 query grouping the above table.
Then, I get a count of grouped records with a 2nd query.

Is there a way to avoid using 2 queries for this?
The above is obviously an example.  The table actually holds thousands
and thousands of records.

Thanks,
Mark Boyd
Sr. Systems Analyst
McBee Associates, Inc.

From jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com  Wed May 28 09:43:30 2003
From: jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com (jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 09:43:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records
Message-ID: <OFE120FCBA.C7545352-ON86256D34.0050A32F-86256D34.0050E304@nc.us.bank-dns.com>

You might try something like this:

SELECT dbo_tblOffices.Name, Count(dbo_tblOffices.Name) AS CountOfName
FROM dbo_tblOffices
GROUP BY dbo_tblOffices.Name;





"Mark Boyd" <MarkBoyd at mcbeeassociates.com>
Sent by: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
05/28/2003 09:35 AM
Please respond to accessd

 
        To:     AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
        cc: 
        Subject:        [AccessD] Count of Unique Records


I have a table with the following records:
John
John
Bill
Bob
 
I need to find out how many unique records there are.
My current approach is 1 query grouping the above table.
Then, I get a count of grouped records with a 2nd query.
 
Is there a way to avoid using 2 queries for this?
The above is obviously an example.  The table actually holds thousands and 
thousands of records.
 
Thanks,
Mark Boyd
Sr. Systems Analyst
McBee Associates, Inc.
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From dkalsow at yahoo.com  Wed May 28 09:51:36 2003
From: dkalsow at yahoo.com (Dale Kalsow)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 07:51:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Requerying subform
In-Reply-To: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F35874@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>
Message-ID: <20030528145136.78755.qmail@web9802.mail.yahoo.com>

Can anyone give the line of code to requery a subforms recordset from a total different/unrelated form?
 
Thanks!
 
Dale



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From MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com  Wed May 28 09:57:46 2003
From: MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com (Mark Boyd)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:57:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records
Message-ID: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D6CDB@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>

Charles -
Neither 'Distinct' nor 'DistinctRow' worked.
I am still getting a count of 4.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:43 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records

Mark,

The Select statement can be qualified with either Distinct or
DistinctRow.  I am unable to tell you which is the more appropriate for
your situation from the information you provided.


Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Boyd [mailto:MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com] 
Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 28 09:35
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records

I have a table with the following records:
John
John
Bill
Bob

I need to find out how many unique records there are.
My current approach is 1 query grouping the above table.
Then, I get a count of grouped records with a 2nd query.

Is there a way to avoid using 2 queries for this?
The above is obviously an example.  The table actually holds thousands
and thousands of records.

Thanks,
Mark Boyd
Sr. Systems Analyst
McBee Associates, Inc.
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From harkins at iglou.com  Wed May 28 09:59:19 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:59:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records
References: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D7765@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>
Message-ID: <016701c3252a$4f95b010$feecffcc@SusanOne>

Sure. 

SELECT Count(field)
FROM datasource
GROUP BY field
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mark Boyd 
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:35 AM
  Subject: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records


  I have a table with the following records:

  John

  John

  Bill

  Bob



  I need to find out how many unique records there are.

  My current approach is 1 query grouping the above table.

  Then, I get a count of grouped records with a 2nd query.



  Is there a way to avoid using 2 queries for this?

  The above is obviously an example.  The table actually holds thousands and thousands of records.



  Thanks,

  Mark Boyd

  Sr. Systems Analyst

  McBee Associates, Inc.





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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Wed May 28 10:07:17 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 11:07:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records
References: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D6CDB@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>
Message-ID: <018401c3252a$d67ee380$6401a8c0@default>

Mark,

Use the find duplicates wizard and then look at the SQL it creates.

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Boyd" <MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:57 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records


> Charles -
> Neither 'Distinct' nor 'DistinctRow' worked.
> I am still getting a count of 4.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:43 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records
> 
> Mark,
> 
> The Select statement can be qualified with either Distinct or
> DistinctRow.  I am unable to tell you which is the more appropriate for
> your situation from the information you provided.
> 
> 
> Charles Wortz 
> Software Development Division 
> Texas Education Agency 
> 1701 N. Congress Ave 
> Austin, TX 78701-1494 
> 512-463-9493 
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Boyd [mailto:MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 28 09:35
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records
> 
> I have a table with the following records:
> John
> John
> Bill
> Bob
> 
> I need to find out how many unique records there are.
> My current approach is 1 query grouping the above table.
> Then, I get a count of grouped records with a 2nd query.
> 
> Is there a way to avoid using 2 queries for this?
> The above is obviously an example.  The table actually holds thousands
> and thousands of records.
> 
> Thanks,
> Mark Boyd
> Sr. Systems Analyst
> McBee Associates, Inc.
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From MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com  Wed May 28 10:03:50 2003
From: MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com (Mark Boyd)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 11:03:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records
Message-ID: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D6CDC@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>

Jeffrey -

This gives me a count for each name, but not a total count of unique
names.

 

Mark

 

-----Original Message-----
From: jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com [mailto:jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com]

Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:44 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records

 


You might try something like this: 

SELECT dbo_tblOffices.Name, Count(dbo_tblOffices.Name) AS CountOfName 
FROM dbo_tblOffices 
GROUP BY dbo_tblOffices.Name; 




 

"Mark Boyd" <MarkBoyd at mcbeeassociates.com> 
Sent by: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 

05/28/2003 09:35 AM 
Please respond to accessd 

        
        To:        AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
        cc:         
        Subject:        [AccessD] Count of Unique Records




I have a table with the following records: 
John 
John 
Bill 
Bob 
  
I need to find out how many unique records there are. 
My current approach is 1 query grouping the above table. 
Then, I get a count of grouped records with a 2nd query. 
  
Is there a way to avoid using 2 queries for this? 
The above is obviously an example.  The table actually holds thousands
and thousands of records. 
  
Thanks, 
Mark Boyd 
Sr. Systems Analyst 
McBee Associates, Inc. 
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From jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com  Wed May 28 10:05:47 2003
From: jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com (jeffrey.demulling at usbank.com)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:05:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Requerying subform
Message-ID: <OF47BFA3DA.75E52512-ON86256D34.0052C794-86256D34.0052ED3D@nc.us.bank-dns.com>

Forms![frmExistingEntriesDataElements]![frmExistingEntriesDataElements-SubForm].Form.Requery




"Dale Kalsow" <dkalsow at yahoo.com>
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        To:     accessd at databaseadvisors.com
        cc: 
        Subject:        [AccessD] Requerying subform


Can anyone give the line of code to requery a subforms recordset from a 
total different/unrelated form?
 
Thanks!
 
Dale
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From MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com  Wed May 28 10:11:19 2003
From: MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com (Mark Boyd)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 11:11:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records
Message-ID: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D6CDD@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>

Michael -
How is this going to give me a total count?
This will only return records that are duplicates.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael R Mattys [mailto:michael.mattys at adelphia.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 11:07 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records

Mark,

Use the find duplicates wizard and then look at the SQL it creates.

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Boyd" <MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:57 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records


> Charles -
> Neither 'Distinct' nor 'DistinctRow' worked.
> I am still getting a count of 4.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:43 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records
> 
> Mark,
> 
> The Select statement can be qualified with either Distinct or
> DistinctRow.  I am unable to tell you which is the more appropriate
for
> your situation from the information you provided.
> 
> 
> Charles Wortz 
> Software Development Division 
> Texas Education Agency 
> 1701 N. Congress Ave 
> Austin, TX 78701-1494 
> 512-463-9493 
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Boyd [mailto:MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 28 09:35
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records
> 
> I have a table with the following records:
> John
> John
> Bill
> Bob
> 
> I need to find out how many unique records there are.
> My current approach is 1 query grouping the above table.
> Then, I get a count of grouped records with a 2nd query.
> 
> Is there a way to avoid using 2 queries for this?
> The above is obviously an example.  The table actually holds thousands
> and thousands of records.
> 
> Thanks,
> Mark Boyd
> Sr. Systems Analyst
> McBee Associates, Inc.
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From MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com  Wed May 28 10:13:30 2003
From: MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com (Mark Boyd)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 11:13:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records
Message-ID: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D6CDE@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>

Susan -

This is pretty much what my 1st query does.

I then have a 2nd query that counts these records for a total count of
unique records.

What I want to do is only use 1 query that will return the number '3'.

 

Mark

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records

 

Sure. 

 

SELECT Count(field)

FROM datasource

GROUP BY field

	----- Original Message ----- 

	From: Mark Boyd <mailto:MarkBoyd at mcbeeassociates.com>  

	To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 

	Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:35 AM

	Subject: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records

	 

	I have a table with the following records:

	John

	John

	Bill

	Bob

	 

	I need to find out how many unique records there are.

	My current approach is 1 query grouping the above table.

	Then, I get a count of grouped records with a 2nd query.

	 

	Is there a way to avoid using 2 queries for this?

	The above is obviously an example.  The table actually holds
thousands and thousands of records.

	 

	Thanks,

	Mark Boyd

	Sr. Systems Analyst

	McBee Associates, Inc.

	 

	
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From mitsules_ms at nns.com  Wed May 28 10:17:07 2003
From: mitsules_ms at nns.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 11:17:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E2941F@nnse14.nns.com>


>Are you saying that <H3><TITLE>...</TITLE></H3> didn't work?

Yes, that's what I'm saying.

>IIRC, the later versions of HTML allow the <TITLE> tag to have a FontSize
property.  If you go to W3C's website you should be able to find the full
definition of current HTML tag properties.

http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#edef-TITLE
No information here pertaining to your recollections.


My current solution is an obvious hack, I was just hoping someone was aware
of a more elegant hack.


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:30 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css


Mark,

Are you saying that <H3><TITLE>...</TITLE></H3> didn't work?  IIRC, the
later versions of HTML allow the <TITLE> tag to have a FontSize property.
If you go to W3C's website you should be able to find the full definition of
current HTML tag properties.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:mitsules_ms at nns.com] 
Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 28 08:21
To: 'AccessD'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css

Group,

Is anyone aware of a method to change the default size of a <TITLE> tag? I
have a unique situation where I need to change a <TITLE> tag from its
default size to <H3> size (PHB strikes again).  Currently, the only way I've
been able to do this is by placing <H3> tags within the <TITLE> tag.
Although this approach does change the size as required, it unfortunately
prints the <H3></H3> tags literally in the title bar.  It seems that a CSS
approach would address this, but an external .css is not loaded until the
<HEAD> section...any ideas?

Any pointers, references would be greatly appreciated,


Mark
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From mitsules_ms at nns.com  Wed May 28 10:19:00 2003
From: mitsules_ms at nns.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 11:19:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29420@nnse14.nns.com>

>Embed the title tag in the head section.  Then, I believe you can use a
font tag with a size associated for the title.

The TITLE tag is within the HEAD section.  Any modifiers placed outside of
the TITLE tag have had no effect.  I've even moved the link to the external
.css above the TITLE tag...I've had no success with that yet either.



Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Huffman, Jarad B. [mailto:jbhuffman at mdh.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:28 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css


Embed the title tag in the head section.  Then, I believe you can use a font
tag with a size associated for the title.

HTH,
Jarad Huffman

-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:mitsules_ms at nns.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 8:21 AM
To: 'AccessD'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css


Group,

Is anyone aware of a method to change the default size of a <TITLE> tag?  I
have a unique situation where I need to change a <TITLE> tag from its
default size to <H3> size (PHB strikes again).  Currently, the only way I've
been able to do this is by placing <H3> tags within the <TITLE> tag.
Although this approach does change the size as required, it unfortunately
prints the <H3></H3> tags literally in the title bar.  It seems that a CSS
approach would address this, but an external .css is not loaded until the
<HEAD> section...any ideas?

Any pointers, references would be greatly appreciated,


Mark
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From Jdemarco at hshhp.org  Wed May 28 10:22:30 2003
From: Jdemarco at hshhp.org (Jim DeMarco)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 11:22:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css
Message-ID: <22F1CCD5171D17419CB37FEEE09D5F99D85CCD@TTNEXCHSRV1.hshhp.com>

Doesn't the title tag hold the value that's diplayed in the title bar of the browser?  How can you add formatting to that?  Or am I missing something?

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:mitsules_ms at nns.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 11:17 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css



>Are you saying that <H3><TITLE>...</TITLE></H3> didn't work?

Yes, that's what I'm saying.

>IIRC, the later versions of HTML allow the <TITLE> tag to have a FontSize
property.  If you go to W3C's website you should be able to find the full
definition of current HTML tag properties.

http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#edef-TITLE
No information here pertaining to your recollections.


My current solution is an obvious hack, I was just hoping someone was aware
of a more elegant hack.


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:30 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css


Mark,

Are you saying that <H3><TITLE>...</TITLE></H3> didn't work?  IIRC, the
later versions of HTML allow the <TITLE> tag to have a FontSize property.
If you go to W3C's website you should be able to find the full definition of
current HTML tag properties.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:mitsules_ms at nns.com] 
Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 28 08:21
To: 'AccessD'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css

Group,

Is anyone aware of a method to change the default size of a <TITLE> tag? I
have a unique situation where I need to change a <TITLE> tag from its
default size to <H3> size (PHB strikes again).  Currently, the only way I've
been able to do this is by placing <H3> tags within the <TITLE> tag.
Although this approach does change the size as required, it unfortunately
prints the <H3></H3> tags literally in the title bar.  It seems that a CSS
approach would address this, but an external .css is not loaded until the
<HEAD> section...any ideas?

Any pointers, references would be greatly appreciated,


Mark
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From harkins at iglou.com  Wed May 28 10:25:30 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 11:25:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records
References: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D6CDE@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>
Message-ID: <01c601c3252d$61766150$feecffcc@SusanOne>

SELECT groupfield1, Count(groupfield2) 
FROM (SELECT groupfield1, groupfield2
FROM datasource
GROUP BY groupfield1, groupfield2)
GROUP BY groupfield2

Maybe that'll get you closer to what you need?

Susan H. 


  Susan -

  This is pretty much what my 1st query does.

  I then have a 2nd query that counts these records for a total count of unique records.

  What I want to do is only use 1 query that will return the number '3'.



  Mark



  -----Original Message-----
  From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com] 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:59 AM
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records



  Sure. 



  SELECT Count(field)

  FROM datasource

  GROUP BY field

    ----- Original Message ----- 

    From: Mark Boyd 

    To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 

    Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:35 AM

    Subject: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records



    I have a table with the following records:

    John

    John

    Bill

    Bob



    I need to find out how many unique records there are.

    My current approach is 1 query grouping the above table.

    Then, I get a count of grouped records with a 2nd query.



    Is there a way to avoid using 2 queries for this?

    The above is obviously an example.  The table actually holds thousands and thousands of records.



    Thanks,

    Mark Boyd

    Sr. Systems Analyst

    McBee Associates, Inc.




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From MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com  Wed May 28 10:41:02 2003
From: MarkBoyd at McBeeAssociates.com (Mark Boyd)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 11:41:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records
Message-ID: <B408574ACAFCAE49BEE6B626C3CD9F2D6CDF@wpamail2k.mcbassoc.com>

Susan -

This is exactly what I'm looking for.

To get a count of '3', I simply removed the last GROUP BY statement.

 

Thanks a lot,

Mark

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 11:26 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records

 

SELECT groupfield1, Count(groupfield2) 

FROM (SELECT groupfield1, groupfield2

FROM datasource

GROUP BY groupfield1, groupfield2)

GROUP BY groupfield2

 

Maybe that'll get you closer to what you need?

 

Susan H. 


 

	Susan -

	This is pretty much what my 1st query does.

	I then have a 2nd query that counts these records for a total
count of unique records.

	What I want to do is only use 1 query that will return the
number '3'.

	 

	Mark

	 

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Susan Harkins [mailto:harkins at iglou.com] 
	Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:59 AM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: Re: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records

	 

	Sure. 

	 

	SELECT Count(field)

	FROM datasource

	GROUP BY field

		----- Original Message ----- 

		From: Mark Boyd <mailto:MarkBoyd at mcbeeassociates.com>  

		To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 

		Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:35 AM

		Subject: [AccessD] Count of Unique Records

		 

		I have a table with the following records:

		John

		John

		Bill

		Bob

		 

		I need to find out how many unique records there are.

		My current approach is 1 query grouping the above table.

		Then, I get a count of grouped records with a 2nd query.

		 

		Is there a way to avoid using 2 queries for this?

		The above is obviously an example.  The table actually
holds thousands and thousands of records.

		 

		Thanks,

		Mark Boyd

		Sr. Systems Analyst

		McBee Associates, Inc.

		 

		
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Wed May 28 10:45:57 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 16:45:57 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css
References: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29420@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c32530$3b046eb0$9111758f@aine>

Mark

I also tried various ways to do this including a css class for the title all
to no effect.

Will speak to another guy here and see if he has a clean way to do this.

Martin


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mitsules, Mark" <mitsules_ms at nns.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 4:19 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css


> >Embed the title tag in the head section.  Then, I believe you can use a
> font tag with a size associated for the title.
>
> The TITLE tag is within the HEAD section.  Any modifiers placed outside of
> the TITLE tag have had no effect.  I've even moved the link to the
external
> .css above the TITLE tag...I've had no success with that yet either.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Huffman, Jarad B. [mailto:jbhuffman at mdh.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:28 AM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css
>
>
> Embed the title tag in the head section.  Then, I believe you can use a
font
> tag with a size associated for the title.
>
> HTH,
> Jarad Huffman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:mitsules_ms at nns.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 8:21 AM
> To: 'AccessD'
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css
>
>
> Group,
>
> Is anyone aware of a method to change the default size of a <TITLE> tag?
I
> have a unique situation where I need to change a <TITLE> tag from its
> default size to <H3> size (PHB strikes again).  Currently, the only way
I've
> been able to do this is by placing <H3> tags within the <TITLE> tag.
> Although this approach does change the size as required, it unfortunately
> prints the <H3></H3> tags literally in the title bar.  It seems that a CSS
> approach would address this, but an external .css is not loaded until the
> <HEAD> section...any ideas?
>
> Any pointers, references would be greatly appreciated,
>
>
> Mark
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From mitsules_ms at nns.com  Wed May 28 10:50:20 2003
From: mitsules_ms at nns.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 11:50:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29421@nnse14.nns.com>

Jim,

I'll explain the problem a little further.  On each of our departmental
intranet pages we are required to utilize a divisional header using server
side includes (.stm).  A departmental title can be placed within this
divisional header using the syntax - 
<TITLE>Submarine Engineering Electrical Design:E13 Home</TITLE>.  The whole
thing will show up in the title bar, but only the text before the colon will
show up in the divisional banner.  The problem is that the PHB insists on
the full departmental title, yet also insists that the page be legible at
800x600 with no horizontal scrolling.  Both requirements are impossible to
meet without shrinking the text size down.  Although I had never done it
before, I found that this syntax - 
<TITLE><H3>Submarine Engineering Electrical Design:E13 Home</H3></TITLE> 
satisfies both requirements for the PHB, but unfortunately makes me feel
like an idiot because the title bar now shows "<H3>Submarine Engineering
Electrical Design:E13 Home</H3>".

;)Woe is me :(  

Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim DeMarco [mailto:Jdemarco at hshhp.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 11:23 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css


Doesn't the title tag hold the value that's diplayed in the title bar of the
browser?  How can you add formatting to that?  Or am I missing something?

Thanks,

Jim DeMarco


-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:mitsules_ms at nns.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 11:17 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css



>Are you saying that <H3><TITLE>...</TITLE></H3> didn't work?

Yes, that's what I'm saying.

>IIRC, the later versions of HTML allow the <TITLE> tag to have a 
>FontSize
property.  If you go to W3C's website you should be able to find the full
definition of current HTML tag properties.

http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#edef-TITLE
No information here pertaining to your recollections.


My current solution is an obvious hack, I was just hoping someone was aware
of a more elegant hack.


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:30 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css


Mark,

Are you saying that <H3><TITLE>...</TITLE></H3> didn't work?  IIRC, the
later versions of HTML allow the <TITLE> tag to have a FontSize property. If
you go to W3C's website you should be able to find the full definition of
current HTML tag properties.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:mitsules_ms at nns.com] 
Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 28 08:21
To: 'AccessD'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css

Group,

Is anyone aware of a method to change the default size of a <TITLE> tag? I
have a unique situation where I need to change a <TITLE> tag from its
default size to <H3> size (PHB strikes again).  Currently, the only way I've
been able to do this is by placing <H3> tags within the <TITLE> tag.
Although this approach does change the size as required, it unfortunately
prints the <H3></H3> tags literally in the title bar.  It seems that a CSS
approach would address this, but an external .css is not loaded until the
<HEAD> section...any ideas?

Any pointers, references would be greatly appreciated,


Mark
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From mitsules_ms at nns.com  Wed May 28 10:51:08 2003
From: mitsules_ms at nns.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 11:51:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29422@nnse14.nns.com>

Many thanks...


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 11:46 AM
To: accessd
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css


Mark

I also tried various ways to do this including a css class for the title all
to no effect.

Will speak to another guy here and see if he has a clean way to do this.

Martin


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mitsules, Mark" <mitsules_ms at nns.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 4:19 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css


> >Embed the title tag in the head section.  Then, I believe you can use 
> >a
> font tag with a size associated for the title.
>
> The TITLE tag is within the HEAD section.  Any modifiers placed 
> outside of the TITLE tag have had no effect.  I've even moved the link 
> to the
external
> .css above the TITLE tag...I've had no success with that yet either.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Huffman, Jarad B. [mailto:jbhuffman at mdh.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:28 AM
> To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css
>
>
> Embed the title tag in the head section.  Then, I believe you can use 
> a
font
> tag with a size associated for the title.
>
> HTH,
> Jarad Huffman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:mitsules_ms at nns.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 8:21 AM
> To: 'AccessD'
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css
>
>
> Group,
>
> Is anyone aware of a method to change the default size of a <TITLE> 
> tag?
I
> have a unique situation where I need to change a <TITLE> tag from its 
> default size to <H3> size (PHB strikes again).  Currently, the only 
> way
I've
> been able to do this is by placing <H3> tags within the <TITLE> tag. 
> Although this approach does change the size as required, it 
> unfortunately prints the <H3></H3> tags literally in the title bar.  
> It seems that a CSS approach would address this, but an external .css 
> is not loaded until the <HEAD> section...any ideas?
>
> Any pointers, references would be greatly appreciated,
>
>
> Mark
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From Oleg_123 at xuppa.com  Wed May 28 11:12:50 2003
From: Oleg_123 at xuppa.com (Oleg_123 at xuppa.com)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 11:12:50 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] (OT) Excel - adding cell values
In-Reply-To: <sed377fd.077@cbc.ca>
References: <sed377fd.077@cbc.ca>
Message-ID: <57947.199.67.140.20.1054138370.squirrel@ns1.bay9.com>

Bryan, thanks it works :))

> Sorry for coming to the party late, but give this a shot:
>
> dim rng as range
> dim dblAnswer as Double
>
> set rng = Worksheets("Sheet1").Range("C13:C18")
> dblAnswer = WorksheetFunction.Sum(rng)
>
> Debug.print dblAnswer
>
> WorksheetFunction will allow you to use some Excel Worksheet functions
> in your VBA code.
>
> Bryan Carbonnell
> bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca
>
>
>>>> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com 27-May-03 12:30:44 PM >>>
> It was a first thing i tried. Gives me an error message "sub or function
> not defined"
>
>
>> You can try C = SUM("C13:C18")
>>
>> Doris Manning
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> Oleg_123 at xuppa.com
>
>> He group,
>> does anyone know if I can use SUM in the case below ? I can't seem to
>> find it. Thanks
>>
>> C = Range("C13").Value + Range("C14").Value + Range("C15").Value +
>> Range("C16").Value + Range("C17").Value + Range("C18").Value
>
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From cclenright at yahoo.com  Wed May 28 11:48:38 2003
From: cclenright at yahoo.com (Chris Enright)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 09:48:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Closing an Application
In-Reply-To: <017a01c3238e$522599f0$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <20030528164838.75911.qmail@web41102.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Group,
 
I would like to think that I am having this problem because I have been away from Access for a couple of years but I strongly suspect it might have something to do with big six-O coming next week.
 
I am writing an application that requires the On Screen Keyboard in WinNT.
 
This starts it fine....


 

    Dim MyAppID, ReturnValue

 

    MyAppID = Shell("C:\Winnt\system32\osk.exe", 1)  ' Run On Screen Keyboard.

    AppActivate MyAppID

 

 Problem is, what code do I use to close it?

 

Tks

 

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From mitsules_ms at nns.com  Wed May 28 12:11:43 2003
From: mitsules_ms at nns.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 13:11:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Closing an Application
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29423@nnse14.nns.com>

Chris,

Can you use SendKeys to close it?
SendKeys "%{F4}" (= ALT F4)


Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Enright [mailto:cclenright at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:49 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Closing an Application


Hi Group,

I would like to think that I am having this problem because I have been away
from Access for a couple of years but I strongly suspect it might have
something to do with big six-O coming next week.

I am writing an application that requires the On Screen Keyboard in WinNT.

This starts it fine....

 
    Dim MyAppID, ReturnValue
 
    MyAppID = Shell("C:\Winnt\system32\osk.exe", 1)  ' Run On Screen
Keyboard.
    AppActivate MyAppID
 
 Problem is, what code do I use to close it?

Tks

Chris Enright


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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Wed May 28 12:18:19 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: 28 May 2003 18:18:19 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT ASP.NET
Message-ID: <200305281718.SAA07471@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

Anyone get the opp to check out the C Sharp page I posted last night??

Martin

From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed May 28 12:37:35 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 13:37:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT ASP.NET
In-Reply-To: <200305281718.SAA07471@hosea.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEGKDOAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Martin,

I get a page with a button and some text.  No boxes where the * is.  If I
press the button, a "cannot display page"

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 1:18 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT ASP.NET


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From Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com  Wed May 28 12:44:28 2003
From: Jeff at OUTBAKTech.com (Jeff Barrows)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 12:44:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT ASP.NET
Message-ID: <8DA8776D2F418E46A2A464AC6CE6305091E5@outbaksrv1.outbaktech.com>

Well, if it is supposed to be a registration page, it shows up.  But
there are no password boxes on my copy.

Jeff Barrows
Outbak Technologies, LLC
Racine, WI
Phone: (262) 634-0653
Mailto: jeff_developer at hotmail.com
www.outbaktech.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Reid [mailto:mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:18 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com

Anyone get the opp to check out the C Sharp page I posted last night??

Martin
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May 28 12:54:28 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:54:28 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Closing an Application
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FDC@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Use the handle you got back from the Shell call to activate the correct
window and then use sendkeys to pass an Alt+F4 to close it.

AppActive MyAppID
SendKeys "%{F4}"

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Enright [mailto:cclenright at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 8:49 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Closing an Application


Hi Group,

I would like to think that I am having this problem because I have been
away from Access for a couple of years but I strongly suspect it might
have something to do with big six-O coming next week.

I am writing an application that requires the On Screen Keyboard in
WinNT.

This starts it fine....

 
    Dim MyAppID, ReturnValue
 
    MyAppID = Shell("C:\Winnt\system32\osk.exe", 1)  ' Run On Screen
Keyboard.
    AppActivate MyAppID
 
 Problem is, what code do I use to close it?

Tks

Chris Enright


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May 28 12:58:59 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:58:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FDD@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Charles answered your question, but the reason it isn't working is
because *all* command line arguments are ignored if you do not include
the full path and filename to the Access executable in your shortcut.
Since /WRKGRP is a command line argument, it gets ignored when you only
include the database path and the workgroup and leave out the Access
executable.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 4:39 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch



I have a secured Access 2000 file format database and want to use the
/wrkgrp command line switch in a shortcut to associate with the
workgroup on startup.  This command switch is not working 
( F:\sis\CCA_App.mdb /WRKGRP "F:\sis\CCA_Workgroup.mdw" )

the user accesses the correct file but under the system.mdw workgroup.  

I've verified that the file locations and the spelling are all correct.
Any ideas?

Thanks,

Mark


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From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca  Wed May 28 13:02:22 2003
From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 14:02:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT ASP.NET
Message-ID: <sed4c170.048@cbc.ca>

Yep.

With IIS I got a 500 Internal Error.

With Apache I got a page with no textboxes to enter anything. Just * where the textboxes should be.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

>>> mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk 28-May-03 1:18:19 PM >>>
Anyone get the opp to check out the C Sharp page I posted last night??

Martin
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From MPorter at acsalaska.com  Wed May 28 13:11:18 2003
From: MPorter at acsalaska.com (Porter, Mark)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:11:18 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch
Message-ID: <BFBC9BAC6169D411890000508BAE2C53031207C5@acsexch4.corp.acsalaska.com>

After the responses all had the msaccess.exe executible path I recalled that
it was required with the other times that I've implemented it.

I never did know why though.  Thanks for clearing it up.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch


Charles answered your question, but the reason it isn't working is
because *all* command line arguments are ignored if you do not include
the full path and filename to the Access executable in your shortcut.
Since /WRKGRP is a command line argument, it gets ignored when you only
include the database path and the workgroup and leave out the Access
executable.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 4:39 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch



I have a secured Access 2000 file format database and want to use the
/wrkgrp command line switch in a shortcut to associate with the
workgroup on startup.  This command switch is not working 
( F:\sis\CCA_App.mdb /WRKGRP "F:\sis\CCA_Workgroup.mdw" )

the user accesses the correct file but under the system.mdw workgroup.  

I've verified that the file locations and the spelling are all correct.
Any ideas?

Thanks,

Mark


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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Wed May 28 13:15:01 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: 28 May 2003 19:15:01 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT ASP.NET
Message-ID: <200305281815.TAA08305@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

On IIS do you have the .NET framework installed. I just wanted to double 
check this. I am doing a tech edit on a new C SHarp Database book and none 
of the authors example code works fot this chapter. But I wanted to be 
double sure before I hammer him.

Martin

On May 28 2003, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:

> Yep.
> 
> With IIS I got a 500 Internal Error.
> 
> With Apache I got a page with no textboxes to enter anything. Just * 
> where the textboxes should be.
> 
> Bryan Carbonnell
> bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca
> 
> >>> mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk 28-May-03 1:18:19 PM >>>
> Anyone get the opp to check out the C Sharp page I posted last night??
> 
> Martin
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From delliker at hotmail.com  Wed May 28 14:00:45 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 15:00:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Query reference to screen control
Message-ID: <Law12-F91uhpyjMKYIM0001fa44@hotmail.com>

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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Wed May 28 14:22:36 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 14:22:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Query reference to screen control
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F3587B@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Don,

You have me confused!  Is this combo box referring to itself or some
other combo box or something else?  I cannot tell since you only show
one name but say you have two controls.  Please try to be a little more
explicit.  


Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 28 14:01
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Query reference to screen control

I have this odd occurrance in A2K. I have a combo that has criteria
referencing two screen controls, like this
[forms]![frmtestcases]![cmbproject]. Many times (but not always) it
returns nothing when I click it. Then if I go into the grid for the
underlying query and make it 
=[forms]![frmtestcases]![cmbproject] it works, however it does not keep
the equal sign, it discards it - works for a while then craps out. What
gives?? Just another wierd Accessism?
_d

From cclenright at yahoo.com  Wed May 28 14:56:58 2003
From: cclenright at yahoo.com (Chris Enright)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 12:56:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Closing an Application
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FDC@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <20030528195658.21185.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks very much Charlotte and Mark,
 
AppActivate MyAppID
SendKeys "%{F4}"

solved my problem.
 
Tks
Chris

Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
Use the handle you got back from the Shell call to activate the correct
window and then use sendkeys to pass an Alt+F4 to close it.

AppActive MyAppID
SendKeys "%{F4}"

Charlotte Foust


-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Enright [mailto:cclenright at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 8:49 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Closing an Application


Hi Group,

I would like to think that I am having this problem because I have been
away from Access for a couple of years but I strongly suspect it might
have something to do with big six-O coming next week.

I am writing an application that requires the On Screen Keyboard in
WinNT.

This starts it fine....


Dim MyAppID, ReturnValue

MyAppID = Shell("C:\Winnt\system32\osk.exe", 1) ' Run On Screen
Keyboard.
AppActivate MyAppID

Problem is, what code do I use to close it?

Tks

Chris Enright


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From Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca  Wed May 28 15:04:38 2003
From: Bryan_Carbonnell at cbc.ca (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 16:04:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT ASP.NET
Message-ID: <sed4de23.033@cbc.ca>

I have The framework installed and IIS installed. I can't say for sure if they are playing together. I suspect they aren't.

Bryan Carbonnell
bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca

>>> mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk 28-May-03 2:15:01 PM >>>
On IIS do you have the .NET framework installed. I just wanted to double 
check this. I am doing a tech edit on a new C SHarp Database book and none 
of the authors example code works fot this chapter. But I wanted to be 
double sure before I hammer him.

Martin

On May 28 2003, Bryan Carbonnell wrote:

> Yep.
> 
> With IIS I got a 500 Internal Error.
> 
> With Apache I got a page with no textboxes to enter anything. Just * 
> where the textboxes should be.
> 
> Bryan Carbonnell
> bryan_carbonnell at cbc.ca 
> 
> >>> mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk 28-May-03 1:18:19 PM >>>
> Anyone get the opp to check out the C Sharp page I posted last night??
> 
> Martin
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From delliker at hotmail.com  Wed May 28 15:28:30 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 16:28:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Query reference to screen control
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From kathryn at bassett.net  Wed May 28 15:54:57 2003
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 13:54:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Specifying where to open browser
In-Reply-To: <0EAA9F4906BA554FA26E6F9F2C5403022BD600@elmo.co.montgomery.ny.us>
Message-ID: <JGENLKHHDJPDMMDICAKIGEAGEPAB.kathryn@bassett.net>

Wow, that was a nice simple solution, Neal. I'll keep the suggestion from Stuart for future reference, but this alternative makes the position of the dialog box immaterial. Thanks so much for the suggestion.

Here's the actual line used:
OpenFile.lpstrTitle = "Select Photo for " & Me.last & " " & Me.first
as my field names are that simple.

--
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Neal Kling
> Sent: 28 May 2003 5:17:AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Specifying where to open browser
> 
> 
> One way to approach this would be to add the person's name to the
> caption of the browser.
> 
> 
> ' Set the caption on the dialog
> OpenFile.lpstrTitle = "Select Photo for " & Me.PersonFirstName _
> 	& " " & Me.PersonLastName
> 
> You'd have to adjust the field names as appropriate.
> 
> Neal Kling


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed May 28 15:56:44 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 13:56:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Query reference to screen control
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FE3@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I've seen both 2000 and 2002 do something like this when they had a
flakey reference.  Nothing was shown as missing in the references, but
calls to a particular library failed until the reference was reset and
some comboboxes with form references in the query  criteria came up
empty.
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
	Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 11:01 AM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: [AccessD] Query reference to screen control
	
	

	I have this odd occurrance in A2K. I have a combo that has
criteria referencing two screen controls, like this
[forms]![frmtestcases]![cmbproject]. Many times (but not always) it
returns nothing when I click it. Then if I go into the grid for the
underlying query and make it 

	=[forms]![frmtestcases]![cmbproject] it works, however it does
not keep the equal sign, it discards it - works for a while then craps
out. What gives?? Just another wierd Accessism?

	_d

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed May 28 17:26:48 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 08:26:48 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css
In-Reply-To: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E2941F@nnse14.nns.com>
Message-ID: <3ED5C448.17311.2163A4@localhost>

I'd say you are SOOL.

"User agents do not generally *render* elements that appear in the 
HEAD as content. They may, however, make information in the HEAD 
available to users through *other mechanisms*."
(Emphasis added)

This part appears to me to say that the user agent doesn't have to 
use any mark up you specify for the title, so you can't rely on the 
way any particular browser will handle things like 
<h3><title>..<title><h3>: :

"Titles may contain character entities (for accented characters, 
special characters, etc.), but may not contain other markup 
(including comments)"  

This part appears say quite conclusively that you CANNOT specify the 
font size or any other attributes of the Title.  


On 28 May 2003 at 11:17, Mitsules, Mark wrote:

> 
> >Are you saying that <H3><TITLE>...</TITLE></H3> didn't work?
> 
> Yes, that's what I'm saying.
> 
> >IIRC, the later versions of HTML allow the <TITLE> tag to have a
> >FontSize
> property.  If you go to W3C's website you should be able to find the
> full definition of current HTML tag properties.
> 
> http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#edef-TITLE
> No information here pertaining to your recollections.
> 
> 
> My current solution is an obvious hack, I was just hoping someone was
> aware of a more elegant hack.
> 
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:30 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css
> 
> 
> Mark,
> 
> Are you saying that <H3><TITLE>...</TITLE></H3> didn't work?  IIRC,
> the later versions of HTML allow the <TITLE> tag to have a FontSize
> property. If you go to W3C's website you should be able to find the
> full definition of current HTML tag properties.
> 
> Charles Wortz
> Software Development Division
> Texas Education Agency
> 1701 N. Congress Ave
> Austin, TX 78701-1494
> 512-463-9493
> CWortz at tea.state.tx.us
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mitsules, Mark [mailto:mitsules_ms at nns.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday 2003 May 28 08:21
> To: 'AccessD'
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: CSS - External .css
> 
> Group,
> 
> Is anyone aware of a method to change the default size of a <TITLE>
> tag? I have a unique situation where I need to change a <TITLE> tag
> from its default size to <H3> size (PHB strikes again).  Currently,
> the only way I've been able to do this is by placing <H3> tags within
> the <TITLE> tag. Although this approach does change the size as
> required, it unfortunately prints the <H3></H3> tags literally in the
> title bar.  It seems that a CSS approach would address this, but an
> external .css is not loaded until the <HEAD> section...any ideas?
> 
> Any pointers, references would be greatly appreciated,
> 
> 
> Mark
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From anita at ddisolutions.com.au  Wed May 28 19:35:05 2003
From: anita at ddisolutions.com.au (Anita Smith)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:35:05 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Crosstab in Oracle
Message-ID: <6D8C24685B2A614481AD0BDAB0AC94F90B74EC@ddi-pdc.DDISolutions.ddisolutions.com.au>

Hi Guys,

Does anyone on this great list have any suggestions on how to achieve
the equivalent of a crosstab query in Oracle SQL.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

 

Anita Smith

Australia

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From john at winhaven.net  Wed May 28 22:16:59 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 22:16:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] DAO Version
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJKEPFEIAA.john@winhaven.net>

Are there any problems using DAO 3.6 with A97?


From jamie at kriegelpcsolutions.com  Thu May 29 01:01:37 2003
From: jamie at kriegelpcsolutions.com (Jamie Kriegel)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 01:01:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] simple questions:  combo box help
Message-ID: <OPEIKJLOKOBFPLBDBHPKOEPCDFAA.jamie@kriegelpcsolutions.com>

Hi Everyone,

I have what I hope is a very simple question.  I have a form with a
subreport (actually two subreports).  This form is used in an insurance
database.  The first main form lists policy holder info, subform 1 lists all
policies that this particular customer has (auto, life, home, etc.) and
subform 2 list all dependents on whatever policy is in subform 1 (e.g.
subform 1 lists auto policy and subform 2 shows that the policy holder's
wife and son are also on this policy.)  Anyway, on subform 2 I have a combo
box where I want to pick the dependent's name (if I'm adding a dependent to
a policy.)  My only problem is, the combo box lists EVERY dependent in my
database.  How do I filter this combo box to only show the policy holder's
dependents?

Any help would be GREATLY appreciated!

Thanks,
Jamie


From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Thu May 29 01:34:34 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 16:34:34 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Basic Design Question
References: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802226C99@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <005701c325ac$5ed20290$3c619a89@DDICK>

Hey Drew
Thanks for the reply
I tried that. But the most appropriate join shows a blank
record from tblOptions but does show the necessary ones from tblReminders


DD

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 7:12 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] A2K: Basic Design Question


> Hmmm, just off hand, to be simple on this, just add a field to both tables
> and set it's default value to 1.  Then you can 'join' the tables on that
> field.
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darren DICK [mailto:d.dick at uws.edu.au]
> Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 7:03 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K: Basic Design Question
> 
> 
> Hi Susan
> Thanks for the reply
> tblReminders has hundreds of records in it with about 7 or 8 fields.
> tblOptions will only ever have 1 record in it with about 5 or 6 fields.
> 
> Nothing in tblOptions relates to anything in tbleReminders.
> tblReminders has date, time, YesNo flags and text fields that hold info
> about appointments.
> 
> tblOptions has similar fields but hold local settings info eg how long a
> timer interval is
> the path for various logos, paths for sound files etc. There will only ever
> be one record in this
> table
> 
> Thanks again
> 
> Darren
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Susan Harkins" <harkins at iglou.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 9:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K: Basic Design Question
> 
> 
> > You're specifying these options for each record in the continuous form?
> If
> > that's the case, why not just base the form on a multi-table query? I
> > probably don't understand the question. :)
> > 
> > Susan H.
> > 
> > 
> > > Hello all
> > >  I have a continuous form that has varying recordsets.
> > > Pretty much the same data but with things like...
> > > Show for a Date or a Date Range Show for Completed/ Not Completed
> > > Show for Future/Past/Next week etc etc. All held in tblReminders
> > >
> > > I have a set of options all held in tblOptions.
> > > I want the settings kept in the options table to be presented to the
> user
> > in the
> > > footer of the continuous form. But I can't get the 2 together because
> they
> > have
> > > no matching record. I can't put the options in a sub form because you
> > can't have
> > > a sub form in a continuous form.
> > > I though about a union query but that means I would have to manage all
> the
> > > current RecordSet setting in pure SQL  - I'm not good enough for that.
> > >
> > > Anyway how do you guys handle these situations?
> > >
> > > Many thanks in advance
> > >
> > > Darren
> > >
> > >
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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Thu May 29 01:40:07 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 16:40:07 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Basic Design Question
References: <3ED34BA9.23144.9BF3F8@localhost>
Message-ID: <005d01c325ad$24b94f40$3c619a89@DDICK>

Hi Stuart
(I'm getting your posts twice)
I tried the subform thing before with no joy.
On my version of Acccess2K If I set a form to be continuous then
enable/add the relevant header and footers. Each time a try to add a subform
I get the message box....
<bold> A form with a subform object can't have it's DefaultView set to 'continuous forms'
You tried to add a subform to a form in desgin view
Microsoft Access will reset the property to Single form

Then the monster turns the Parent form from continuous to single. Bugger

Any other suggestions really appreciated

Darren

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Darren DICK" <d.dick at uws.edu.au>; <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K: Basic Design Question


> On 27 May 2003 at 10:03, Darren DICK wrote:
> 
> > Hi Susan
> > Thanks for the reply
> > tblReminders has hundreds of records in it with about 7 or 8 fields.
> > tblOptions will only ever have 1 record in it with about 5 or 6
> > fields.
> > 
> > Nothing in tblOptions relates to anything in tbleReminders.
> > tblReminders has date, time, YesNo flags and text fields that hold
> > info about appointments.
> > 
> > tblOptions has similar fields but hold local settings info eg how long
> > a timer interval is the path for various logos, paths for sound files
> > etc. There will only ever be one record in this table
> > 
> 
> Create a subform based on tblOptions and put that in the footer of 
> the form based on tblReminders
> 
> .
> 
> 
> -- 
> Lexacorp Ltd
> http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
> Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
> Support.
> 
> 
> 
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From roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk  Thu May 29 03:20:45 2003
From: roz.clarke at donnslaw.co.uk (Roz Clarke)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 09:20:45 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] test
Message-ID: <61F915314798D311A2F800A0C9C8318803956A60@dibble.observatory.donnslaw.co.uk>


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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu May 29 05:53:47 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 12:53:47 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Query reference to screen control
In-Reply-To: <Law12-F1005YI9IJsaJ000103f8@hotmail.com>
References: <Law12-F1005YI9IJsaJ000103f8@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <981631726.20030529125347@cactus.dk>

Hi Don

Try specifying in the query [forms]![frmtestcases]![cmbproject] as a
parameter.

/gustav

>I have this odd occurrance in A2K. I have a combo that has criteria
>referencing two screen controls, like this 
>[forms]![frmtestcases]![cmbproject]. Many times (but not always) it 
>returns nothing when I click it. Then if I go into the grid for the 
>underlying query and make it 
>=[forms]![frmtestcases]![cmbproject] it works, however it does not keep 
>the equal sign, it discards it - works for a while then craps out. What 
>gives?? Just another wierd Accessism? 


From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu May 29 05:58:29 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 12:58:29 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Crosstab in Oracle
In-Reply-To: <6D8C24685B2A614481AD0BDAB0AC94F90B74EC@ddi-pdc.DDISolutions.ddisolutions.com.au>
References: 	<6D8C24685B2A614481AD0BDAB0AC94F90B74EC@ddi-pdc.DDISolutions.ddisolutions.com.au>
Message-ID: <1171913811.20030529125829@cactus.dk>

Hi Anita

So you are still with us? Great!

I guess you're after a PL/SQL solution which I can't help you with.
However, if you google on Oracle SQL crosstab you'll find some hints.

/gustav

> Does anyone on this great list have any suggestions on how to achieve
> the equivalent of a crosstab query in Oracle SQL.

> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

> Anita Smith
> Australia


From mikedorism at ntelos.net  Thu May 29 06:44:36 2003
From: mikedorism at ntelos.net (Mike and Doris Manning)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 07:44:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] simple questions:  combo box help
In-Reply-To: <OPEIKJLOKOBFPLBDBHPKOEPCDFAA.jamie@kriegelpcsolutions.com>
Message-ID: <001501c325d7$b34ead20$6f3b0cd8@hargrove.internal>

Does the table your dependent list is pulled from have some field that links
it to the policy holder?  If it does, then just use a reference to a control
on the main form that holds that connecting information in the query for the
dependent combobox.  If not, then you have a big problem.

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jamie Kriegel
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 2:02 AM
To: Accessd at Databaseadvisors.Com
Subject: [AccessD] simple questions: combo box help


Hi Everyone,

I have what I hope is a very simple question.  I have a form with a
subreport (actually two subreports).  This form is used in an insurance
database.  The first main form lists policy holder info, subform 1 lists all
policies that this particular customer has (auto, life, home, etc.) and
subform 2 list all dependents on whatever policy is in subform 1 (e.g.
subform 1 lists auto policy and subform 2 shows that the policy holder's
wife and son are also on this policy.)  Anyway, on subform 2 I have a combo
box where I want to pick the dependent's name (if I'm adding a dependent to
a policy.)  My only problem is, the combo box lists EVERY dependent in my
database.  How do I filter this combo box to only show the policy holder's
dependents?

Any help would be GREATLY appreciated!

Thanks,
Jamie

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http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu May 29 06:49:39 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 21:49:39 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] simple questions:  combo box help
In-Reply-To: <OPEIKJLOKOBFPLBDBHPKOEPCDFAA.jamie@kriegelpcsolutions.com>
Message-ID: <3ED68073.19451.245C1DA@localhost>

On 29 May 2003 at 1:01, Jamie Kriegel wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
> 
> I have what I hope is a very simple question.  I have a form with a
> subreport (actually two subreports).  This form is used in an insurance
> database.  The first main form lists policy holder info, subform 1 lists all
> policies that this particular customer has (auto, life, home, etc.) and
> subform 2 list all dependents on whatever policy is in subform 1 (e.g.
> subform 1 lists auto policy and subform 2 shows that the policy holder's
> wife and son are also on this policy.)  Anyway, on subform 2 I have a combo
> box where I want to pick the dependent's name (if I'm adding a dependent to
> a policy.)  My only problem is, the combo box lists EVERY dependent in my
> database.  How do I filter this combo box to only show the policy holder's
> dependents?
> 

Set the record source of the combo to something like
"Select DepID, DepName for tblDependants where HolderID = 
frmPolicyHolder.HolderID"

In the On_Current of the main form do a  
SubForm2.Form!cmbDependants.Requery


-- 
Lexacorp Ltd
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu May 29 06:43:50 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 21:43:50 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Basic Design Question
In-Reply-To: <005d01c325ad$24b94f40$3c619a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <3ED67F16.28644.2406CC3@localhost>

On 29 May 2003 at 16:40, Darren DICK wrote:

> Hi Stuart
> (I'm getting your posts twice)
> I tried the subform thing before with no joy.
> On my version of Acccess2K If I set a form to be continuous then
> enable/add the relevant header and footers. Each time a try to add a subform
> I get the message box....
> <bold> A form with a subform object can't have it's DefaultView set to 'continuous forms'
> You tried to add a subform to a form in desgin view
> Microsoft Access will reset the property to Single form
> 
> Then the monster turns the Parent form from continuous to single. Bugger
> 
> Any other suggestions really appreciated

Sample showing how it does work in A2K sent off list. Anyone else 
need one?

-- 
Lexacorp Ltd
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.




From mitsules_ms at nns.com  Thu May 29 06:52:34 2003
From: mitsules_ms at nns.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 07:52:34 -0400
Subject: OT: google as a verb  Was: RE: [AccessD] Crosstab in Oracle
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29426@nnse14.nns.com>

>However, if you google on Oracle SQL crosstab you'll find some hints.

Just an observation to something I read a few months back...no judgment on
these statements one way or the other.

Apparently, Google's lawyers are hard at work trying to maintain "Google" as
a trademark.  I think the article was discussing the possibility that if
Google were to become too successful, people would start using Google as a
verb.  At that point, Google could lose their trademark much like aspirin
did years ago.



Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 6:58 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Crosstab in Oracle


Hi Anita

So you are still with us? Great!

I guess you're after a PL/SQL solution which I can't help you with. However,
if you google on Oracle SQL crosstab you'll find some hints.

/gustav

> Does anyone on this great list have any suggestions on how to achieve 
> the equivalent of a crosstab query in Oracle SQL.

> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

> Anita Smith
> Australia

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From artful at rogers.com  Thu May 29 06:59:09 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 07:59:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] simple questions:  combo box help
Message-ID: <00bc01c325d9$b6b5bb00$8e01a8c0@Rock>

Presumably there's a table called Dependents that houses all the policy
holders' dependents, and contains a column for PolicyHolderID. In that case,
the query that populates the dependents combo box needs to observe the
current policy holder. There are a few ways to do this. My approach is to
keep everything as clean as possible, so I'd use a static function and call
it from the master form's OnCurrent event.

Here is the template I use for creating static functions:

Static Function CurrentX(Optional lngNew As Long) As Long
'Copy this template each time you need a new set/get function 'Then Replace
"X" with the name of your object, i.e.,"Employee" 'Replace all in current
proc and you're done.

    Dim lngCurrent As Long
    If lngNew <> 0 Then lngCurrent = lngNew
    CurrentX = lngCurrent
End Function

So you'd make something like this:

Static Function CurrentPolicyHolder(Optional lngNew As Long) As Long

    Dim lngCurrent As Long
    If lngNew <> 0 Then lngCurrent = lngNew
    CurrentPolicyHolder = lngCurrent
End Function

In the master form's OnCurrent event, just write this:

    CurrentPolicyHolder(Me.PolicyHolderID)	'adjust the name to suit

Then modify your query to reference the function:

    Select DependentID, DependentName From Dependents Where PolicyHolder =
CurrentPolicyHolder()

That should work as you want.

Hth,
Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike and Doris
Manning
Sent: May 29, 2003 7:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] simple questions: combo box help


Does the table your dependent list is pulled from have some field that links
it to the policy holder?  If it does, then just use a reference to a control
on the main form that holds that connecting information in the query for the
dependent combobox.  If not, then you have a big problem.

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jamie Kriegel
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 2:02 AM
To: Accessd at Databaseadvisors.Com
Subject: [AccessD] simple questions: combo box help


Hi Everyone,

I have what I hope is a very simple question.  I have a form with a
subreport (actually two subreports).  This form is used in an insurance
database.  The first main form lists policy holder info, subform 1 lists all
policies that this particular customer has (auto, life, home, etc.) and
subform 2 list all dependents on whatever policy is in subform 1 (e.g.
subform 1 lists auto policy and subform 2 shows that the policy holder's
wife and son are also on this policy.)  Anyway, on subform 2 I have a combo
box where I want to pick the dependent's name (if I'm adding a dependent to
a policy.)  My only problem is, the combo box lists EVERY dependent in my
database.  How do I filter this combo box to only show the policy holder's
dependents?

Any help would be GREATLY appreciated!

Thanks,
Jamie

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From artful at rogers.com  Thu May 29 07:11:01 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 08:11:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] simple questions:  combo box help
In-Reply-To: <00bc01c325d9$b6b5bb00$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <00bd01c325db$5f4f1670$8e01a8c0@Rock>

I forgot one last thing. In the OnEnter of subform 2, requery the dependents
combo.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: May 29, 2003 7:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] simple questions: combo box help


Presumably there's a table called Dependents that houses all the policy
holders' dependents, and contains a column for PolicyHolderID. In that case,
the query that populates the dependents combo box needs to observe the
current policy holder. There are a few ways to do this. My approach is to
keep everything as clean as possible, so I'd use a static function and call
it from the master form's OnCurrent event.

Here is the template I use for creating static functions:

Static Function CurrentX(Optional lngNew As Long) As Long
'Copy this template each time you need a new set/get function 'Then Replace
"X" with the name of your object, i.e.,"Employee" 'Replace all in current
proc and you're done.

    Dim lngCurrent As Long
    If lngNew <> 0 Then lngCurrent = lngNew
    CurrentX = lngCurrent
End Function

So you'd make something like this:

Static Function CurrentPolicyHolder(Optional lngNew As Long) As Long

    Dim lngCurrent As Long
    If lngNew <> 0 Then lngCurrent = lngNew
    CurrentPolicyHolder = lngCurrent
End Function

In the master form's OnCurrent event, just write this:

    CurrentPolicyHolder(Me.PolicyHolderID)	'adjust the name to suit

Then modify your query to reference the function:

    Select DependentID, DependentName From Dependents Where PolicyHolder =
CurrentPolicyHolder()

That should work as you want.

Hth,
Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike and Doris
Manning
Sent: May 29, 2003 7:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] simple questions: combo box help


Does the table your dependent list is pulled from have some field that links
it to the policy holder?  If it does, then just use a reference to a control
on the main form that holds that connecting information in the query for the
dependent combobox.  If not, then you have a big problem.

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jamie Kriegel
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 2:02 AM
To: Accessd at Databaseadvisors.Com
Subject: [AccessD] simple questions: combo box help


Hi Everyone,

I have what I hope is a very simple question.  I have a form with a
subreport (actually two subreports).  This form is used in an insurance
database.  The first main form lists policy holder info, subform 1 lists all
policies that this particular customer has (auto, life, home, etc.) and
subform 2 list all dependents on whatever policy is in subform 1 (e.g.
subform 1 lists auto policy and subform 2 shows that the policy holder's
wife and son are also on this policy.)  Anyway, on subform 2 I have a combo
box where I want to pick the dependent's name (if I'm adding a dependent to
a policy.)  My only problem is, the combo box lists EVERY dependent in my
database.  How do I filter this combo box to only show the policy holder's
dependents?

Any help would be GREATLY appreciated!

Thanks,
Jamie

_______________________________________________
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Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

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From jjwrite at earthlink.net  Thu May 29 07:17:50 2003
From: jjwrite at earthlink.net (Judy Johnson)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 8:17:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] XP - File Date
Message-ID: <412003542912175020@earthlink.net>

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From garykjos at hotmail.com  Thu May 29 07:48:34 2003
From: garykjos at hotmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 07:48:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] XP - File Date
Message-ID: <BAY2-F48sQO8qPLlxw000001ba9@hotmail.com>

Hi Judy,

Have a look at the FiileDateTime function;

>From A97 Help file....

FiileDateTime function

Returns a Variant (Date) that indicates the date and time when a file was 
created or last modified.

Syntax

FileDateTime(pathname)

The required pathname argument is a string expression that specifies a file 
name. The pathname may include the directory or folder, and the drive.


Gary Kjos
garykjos at hotmail.com





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>To: "AccessD" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] XP - File Date
>Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 8:17:50 -0400
>
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From delliker at hotmail.com  Thu May 29 08:16:25 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 09:16:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Query reference to screen control
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From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 09:19:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Query reference to screen control
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu May 29 08:21:43 2003
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 15:21:43 +0200
Subject: OT: google as a verb  Was: RE: [AccessD] Crosstab in Oracle
In-Reply-To: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29426@nnse14.nns.com>
References: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29426@nnse14.nns.com>
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Hi Mark

>>However, if you google on Oracle SQL crosstab you'll find some hints.

> Just an observation to something I read a few months back...no judgment on
> these statements one way or the other.

> Apparently, Google's lawyers are hard at work trying to maintain "Google" as
> a trademark.  I think the article was discussing the possibility that if
> Google were to become too successful, people would start using Google as a
> verb.  At that point, Google could lose their trademark much like aspirin
> did years ago.

Maybe - or maybe not: Xerox did not.

/gustav


From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu May 29 08:27:28 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 09:27:28 -0400
Subject: OT: google as a verb  Was: RE: [AccessD] Crosstab in Oracle
In-Reply-To: <12410507488.20030529152143@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEIMDOAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I think the lawyers are hard at work trying to convince the world that they
need more lawyers.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: OT: google as a verb Was: RE: [AccessD] Crosstab in Oracle


Hi Mark

>>However, if you google on Oracle SQL crosstab you'll find some hints.

> Just an observation to something I read a few months back...no judgment on
> these statements one way or the other.

> Apparently, Google's lawyers are hard at work trying to maintain "Google"
as
> a trademark.  I think the article was discussing the possibility that if
> Google were to become too successful, people would start using Google as a
> verb.  At that point, Google could lose their trademark much like aspirin
> did years ago.

Maybe - or maybe not: Xerox did not.

/gustav

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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Thu May 29 08:33:30 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 08:33:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] RE: OT: google as a verb 
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F35882@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

John,

And the best way they know of doing that is to sue everybody! <grin>

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Thursday 2003 May 29 08:27
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: OT: google as a verb Was: RE: [AccessD] Crosstab in Oracle

I think the lawyers are hard at work trying to convince the world that
they need more lawyers.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

From jamie at kriegelpcsolutions.com  Thu May 29 08:37:17 2003
From: jamie at kriegelpcsolutions.com (Jamie Kriegel)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 08:37:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] simple questions:  combo box help
In-Reply-To: <00bd01c325db$5f4f1670$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <OPEIKJLOKOBFPLBDBHPKAEOKEBAA.jamie@kriegelpcsolutions.com>

Thanks for the help arthur . . . how do I requery the dependents combo on
subform 2?

Also, I'm wondering if I have this set up properly as far as relationships
go . . .can I email you off list with a print out of my tables and
relationships.  I'd really appreciate your input/opinion as to wether or not
I have them set up properly.

Thanks,
Jamie

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 7:11 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] simple questions: combo box help


I forgot one last thing. In the OnEnter of subform 2, requery the dependents
combo.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: May 29, 2003 7:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] simple questions: combo box help


Presumably there's a table called Dependents that houses all the policy
holders' dependents, and contains a column for PolicyHolderID. In that case,
the query that populates the dependents combo box needs to observe the
current policy holder. There are a few ways to do this. My approach is to
keep everything as clean as possible, so I'd use a static function and call
it from the master form's OnCurrent event.

Here is the template I use for creating static functions:

Static Function CurrentX(Optional lngNew As Long) As Long
'Copy this template each time you need a new set/get function 'Then Replace
"X" with the name of your object, i.e.,"Employee" 'Replace all in current
proc and you're done.

    Dim lngCurrent As Long
    If lngNew <> 0 Then lngCurrent = lngNew
    CurrentX = lngCurrent
End Function

So you'd make something like this:

Static Function CurrentPolicyHolder(Optional lngNew As Long) As Long

    Dim lngCurrent As Long
    If lngNew <> 0 Then lngCurrent = lngNew
    CurrentPolicyHolder = lngCurrent
End Function

In the master form's OnCurrent event, just write this:

    CurrentPolicyHolder(Me.PolicyHolderID)	'adjust the name to suit

Then modify your query to reference the function:

    Select DependentID, DependentName From Dependents Where PolicyHolder =
CurrentPolicyHolder()

That should work as you want.

Hth,
Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike and Doris
Manning
Sent: May 29, 2003 7:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] simple questions: combo box help


Does the table your dependent list is pulled from have some field that links
it to the policy holder?  If it does, then just use a reference to a control
on the main form that holds that connecting information in the query for the
dependent combobox.  If not, then you have a big problem.

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jamie Kriegel
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 2:02 AM
To: Accessd at Databaseadvisors.Com
Subject: [AccessD] simple questions: combo box help


Hi Everyone,

I have what I hope is a very simple question.  I have a form with a
subreport (actually two subreports).  This form is used in an insurance
database.  The first main form lists policy holder info, subform 1 lists all
policies that this particular customer has (auto, life, home, etc.) and
subform 2 list all dependents on whatever policy is in subform 1 (e.g.
subform 1 lists auto policy and subform 2 shows that the policy holder's
wife and son are also on this policy.)  Anyway, on subform 2 I have a combo
box where I want to pick the dependent's name (if I'm adding a dependent to
a policy.)  My only problem is, the combo box lists EVERY dependent in my
database.  How do I filter this combo box to only show the policy holder's
dependents?

Any help would be GREATLY appreciated!

Thanks,
Jamie

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From mitsules_ms at nns.com  Thu May 29 08:34:33 2003
From: mitsules_ms at nns.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 09:34:33 -0400
Subject: OT: google as a verb  Was: RE: [AccessD] Crosstab in Oracle
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29427@nnse14.nns.com>

...yep.



-----Original Message-----
From: John Colby [mailto:jcolby at colbyconsulting.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:27 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: OT: google as a verb Was: RE: [AccessD] Crosstab in Oracle


I think the lawyers are hard at work trying to convince the world that they
need more lawyers.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: OT: google as a verb Was: RE: [AccessD] Crosstab in Oracle


Hi Mark

>>However, if you google on Oracle SQL crosstab you'll find some hints.

> Just an observation to something I read a few months back...no 
> judgment on these statements one way or the other.

> Apparently, Google's lawyers are hard at work trying to maintain 
> "Google"
as
> a trademark.  I think the article was discussing the possibility that 
> if Google were to become too successful, people would start using 
> Google as a verb.  At that point, Google could lose their trademark 
> much like aspirin did years ago.

Maybe - or maybe not: Xerox did not.

/gustav

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From mitsules_ms at nns.com  Thu May 29 08:39:01 2003
From: mitsules_ms at nns.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 09:39:01 -0400
Subject: OT: google as a verb  Was: RE: [AccessD] Crosstab in Oracle
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E29428@nnse14.nns.com>

>Maybe - or maybe not: Xerox did not.

Actually, IIRC, Xerox was discussed in that article as a company who had
achieved their goal by aggressively doing the same thing.



Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Gustav Brock [mailto:gustav at cactus.dk] 
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: OT: google as a verb Was: RE: [AccessD] Crosstab in Oracle


Hi Mark

>>However, if you google on Oracle SQL crosstab you'll find some hints.

> Just an observation to something I read a few months back...no 
> judgment on these statements one way or the other.

> Apparently, Google's lawyers are hard at work trying to maintain 
> "Google" as a trademark.  I think the article was discussing the 
> possibility that if Google were to become too successful, people would 
> start using Google as a verb.  At that point, Google could lose their 
> trademark much like aspirin did years ago.

Maybe - or maybe not: Xerox did not.

/gustav

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From liz at symphonyinfo.com  Thu May 29 08:50:06 2003
From: liz at symphonyinfo.com (Liz Doering)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 08:50:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] DAO Version
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJKEPFEIAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <OBEGLONPCFDNODFCPKAIGECJCGAA.liz@symphonyinfo.com>

Only if you distribute the app to someone who doesn't have the DAO 3.6
reference.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:17 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] DAO Version


Are there any problems using DAO 3.6 with A97?

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 29 09:56:26 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 07:56:26 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] DAO Version
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FEA@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Why would you do that in the first place?  If you have A97 installed,
you have DAO 3.51 installed, and you can rely on it to be compatible
with A97 when you distribute a runtime app or when the target machine
has A97 installed.  If you start mixing versions, you can run into
problems on other machines.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 7:17 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] DAO Version


Are there any problems using DAO 3.6 with A97?

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 29 10:00:07 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 08:00:07 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Query reference to screen control
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FEB@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Parameters referring to form controls work just fine.  Only make sure
you put in the square brackets around each part of the parameter
yourself.  Otherwise, when/if you convert to 2002, you can run into
problems when the query engine kindly inserts its own brackets around
the whole blasted parameter.  Hello?  This is the voice of experience
speaking ...
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
	Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:16 AM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: Re: [AccessD] Query reference to screen control
	
	

	Hmmmm, that's a twist. Does it then not pop up the parameter
dialog because I would be referring to the screen control?...I will give
it a go, and thanks Gustav.
	_d
	




	"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for
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	>From: Gustav Brock 
	>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
	>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
	>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Query reference to screen control 
	>Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 12:53:47 +0200 
	> 
	>Hi Don 
	> 
	>Try specifying in the query [forms]![frmtestcases]![cmbproject]
as a 
	>parameter. 
	> 
	>/gustav 
	> 
	> >I have this odd occurrance in A2K. I have a combo that has
criteria 
	> >referencing two screen controls, like this 
	> >[forms]![frmtestcases]![cmbproject]. Many times (but not
always) it 
	> >returns nothing when I click it. Then if I go into the grid
for the 
	> >underlying query and make it 
	> >=[forms]![frmtestcases]![cmbproject] it works, however it
does not keep 
	> >the equal sign, it discards it - works for a while then craps
out. What 
	> >gives?? Just another wierd Accessism? 
	> 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 29 10:01:41 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 08:01:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Basic Design Question
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FEC@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I'd like to see it Stuart.  Please send to cfoust at infostatsystems.com

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart McLachlan [mailto:stuart at lexacorp.com.pg] 
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 3:44 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K: Basic Design Question


On 29 May 2003 at 16:40, Darren DICK wrote:

> Hi Stuart
> (I'm getting your posts twice)
> I tried the subform thing before with no joy.
> On my version of Acccess2K If I set a form to be continuous then 
> enable/add the relevant header and footers. Each time a try to add a 
> subform I get the message box.... <bold> A form with a subform object 
> can't have it's DefaultView set to 'continuous forms' You tried to add

> a subform to a form in desgin view Microsoft Access will reset the 
> property to Single form
> 
> Then the monster turns the Parent form from continuous to single. 
> Bugger
> 
> Any other suggestions really appreciated

Sample showing how it does work in A2K sent off list. Anyone else 
need one?

-- 
Lexacorp Ltd
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg
Information Technology Consultancy, Software Development,System 
Support.



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From delliker at hotmail.com  Thu May 29 10:23:38 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 11:23:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Outlook combobox question
Message-ID: <Law12-F68eIsKtjAWoK00022e69@hotmail.com>

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From pjones at btl.net  Thu May 29 10:27:30 2003
From: pjones at btl.net (Paul M. Jones)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 09:27:30 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 'windows in taskbar' setting on Windows Terminal Server
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FEA@infoserver01.infost
 at.local>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030529090815.0289c258@btlmail.btl.net>


I have an .mde application running on a windows terminal server 
system.  The users hate the multiple windows on the task bar so I turned 
off the 'windows in taskbar' option but that option seems to work only for 
the user that turned off the option.  It is still set for everybody else. I 
imagine that the option is set for the individual user and not necessarily 
the MS Access file.  I can't afford to allow users to go in and mess with 
the options settings.  Is there any way to set that option with code at 
runtime?

Paul M. Jones
Spire Services Ltd



From joconnell at indy.rr.com  Thu May 29 10:48:37 2003
From: joconnell at indy.rr.com (Joseph O'Connell)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:48:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] XP - File Date
Message-ID: <014101c325f9$cb653d80$6601a8c0@joe.indy.rr.com>

Judy,

This function will return both the creation date/time and the modify date/time.

Joe O'Connell
joconnell at indy.rr.com


Public Function ReturnFileDates(ByVal strFullPath As String, _
                                                ByRef dtmCreateDate As Date, _
                                                ByRef dtmModifyDate As Date) As Boolean
    Dim objFileSystem As Object
    Dim varFileInfo As Variant
    On Error Resume Next
    Set objFileSystem = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
    Set varFileInfo = objFileSystem.GetFile(strFullPath)
    If Err.Number = 0 Then
        ReturnFileDates = True
        dtmModifyDate = varFileInfo.DateLastModified
        dtmCreateDate = varFileInfo.DateCreated
    Else
        ReturnFileDates = False
    End If
    Err.Clear
End Function



    -----Original Message-----
    From: Judy Johnson <jjwrite at earthlink.net>
    To: AccessD <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
    Date: Thursday, May 29, 2003 7:28 AM
    Subject: [AccessD] XP - File Date
    
    

    Is there a way to obtain the last modified date on a text file and display it in a message box? I have a process that must be run every month but only after a file has been updated. We don't want the process to run automatically, we want user intervention but want to make sure the file is the latest one. We've gone to a Citrix server and the users no longer have explorer capabilities (corporate decision).
    
    Thanks.
    
    Judy Johnson
    jjwrite at earthlink.net
    860-482-8651
    860-309-2484 (cell)


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From john at winhaven.net  Thu May 29 10:48:22 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:48:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] DAO Version
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FEA@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIOENIEHAA.john@winhaven.net>

For a mde library that I need to distributed with A97 or A2k. (There is no
difference in the a2k app other than it can use an a2k BE.)

I was thinking that if the library's reference was to DAO 3.6 in the library
then I could distribute it with both A97 and A2k versions of the app. Maybe
I'm way off the mark here but I'm speculating about preventative measures.

I haven't had any problems with the A97 version library or the FE when
referencing DAO 3.6 but then again I'm not an end user.

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:56 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] DAO Version
>
>
> Why would you do that in the first place?  If you have A97 installed,
> you have DAO 3.51 installed, and you can rely on it to be compatible
> with A97 when you distribute a runtime app or when the target machine
> has A97 installed.  If you start mixing versions, you can run into
> problems on other machines.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 7:17 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] DAO Version
>
>
> Are there any problems using DAO 3.6 with A97?
>
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From mitsules_ms at nns.com  Thu May 29 10:59:53 2003
From: mitsules_ms at nns.com (Mitsules, Mark)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 11:59:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT HTML Authoring
Message-ID: <E26C9041F844D7119B0A00D0B712FD79E2942B@nnse14.nns.com>

Martin,

If you're still interested in this topic, I ran across another option.
Beware of huge line wrap.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/downloads/samples/internet/default.asp?url=/Downlo
ads/samples/Internet/browser/editcntrl/default.asp

Description
The DHTML Editing control provides a full-featured WYSIWYG HTML editor as a
control that you can add to any application.


In other words, you might be able to "roll your own" with minimal effort.

Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK [mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK] 
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 4:05 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT HTML Authoring


Anyone know of a good simple HTML authoring tool that is free. Must be 
WYSIWYG. I am looking at free tools for students to use. Oh and cannot be 
Netscape.

Martin
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 29 11:09:00 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 09:09:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] DAO Version
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FF0@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I strongly recommend that you have two versions of the mde, one for A97
and one for A2k.  We have not had any luck packaging an A97 mde library
with AXP.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 7:48 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] DAO Version


For a mde library that I need to distributed with A97 or A2k. (There is
no difference in the a2k app other than it can use an a2k BE.)

I was thinking that if the library's reference was to DAO 3.6 in the
library then I could distribute it with both A97 and A2k versions of the
app. Maybe I'm way off the mark here but I'm speculating about
preventative measures.

I haven't had any problems with the A97 version library or the FE when
referencing DAO 3.6 but then again I'm not an end user.

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> Foust
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:56 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] DAO Version
>
>
> Why would you do that in the first place?  If you have A97 installed, 
> you have DAO 3.51 installed, and you can rely on it to be compatible 
> with A97 when you distribute a runtime app or when the target machine 
> has A97 installed.  If you start mixing versions, you can run into 
> problems on other machines.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 7:17 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] DAO Version
>
>
> Are there any problems using DAO 3.6 with A97?
>
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From papparuff at attbi.com  Thu May 29 11:12:11 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 09:12:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Outlook combobox question
In-Reply-To: <Law12-F68eIsKtjAWoK00022e69@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <01df01c325fd$0f7ade50$6401a8c0@papparuff>

I have done very little development in Outlook itself but Sue Mosher is
an MVP and hosts a newsgroup called Outlook-dev and people there will be
able to answer any questions on Outlook programming.  She also has an
excellent book on Outlook called Microsoft Outlook Programming from
Digitil Press that you might want to consider purchasing if you are
going to do some programmin in Outlook.  Here is the url for the
OUtlook-dev newsgroup.  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/outlook-dev/
 
 

John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-) 
Always Looking For Contract Opportunities 

Home: 253.588.2139 
Cell: 253.307.2947 
9306 Farwest Dr SW 
Lakewood, WA 98498 

"Commit to the Lord whatever you do, 
                and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Don Elliker
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 8:24 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Outlook combobox question



I have seen some posts on Outlook from people who appear to know what
they are doing - and I hope no one takes offense at this none-Access
question...

How in the heck do you get a combobox (on an Outlook form) to have two
columns populated by a value list? It says in the NoHelp that if you set
the columncount to 2 it will interpret the semi-colon delimited list as
column1;column2 and so on....does not work for me.

I am sure I'll be buying the book - so if you know a good book I'd
appreciate that info as well -preferably under $500.


Yours in Automation annoyance,

_D




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From john at winhaven.net  Thu May 29 11:24:52 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 11:24:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJGEAEEJAA.john@winhaven.net>

I saw this in Woody's Office Watch and I thought some of you might be
interested...

from WOW 8.18:

6. BURNING MSDN CDS
Last month I told all of you programmers that Microsoft has posted the April
2003 MSDN CDs, and you can get all three of them free for the downloading.
Those CDs include an enormous amount of information on Visual Studio 2003 -
it's the required reference for those of you willing to make the leap from
VBA to VB (or C) .NET.

The CD images are at:

http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-56619af
95835/qtr40enud1.img

http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-56619af
95835/qtr40enud2.img

http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-56619af
95835/qtr40enud3.img

One teensy-tiny problem. The CDs are in ISO image format - so-called .IMG
files - and you may have problems burning those files to a CD.

WOWser TP writes: "To get the files to CD you need a program like "undisker"
found at http://www.undisker.com. This software will open and view the
contents much like standard Zip file software and write the contents to the
CD drive. I only used the time limited shareware version of "undisker" but
the software worked very well and I am considering the purchase of the full
version.

One thing you will need to know is the Volume label that needs to be on the
CD. I am pretty sure that it is the name of the file without the extension.
Without the correct volume name the CD's will not load."


from WOW 8.19:

7. BURNING .IMG CDS
Last week I told you about WOWser TP's travails trying to get the downloaded
April 2003 MSDN CD images burned to CD. He used Undisker, and it worked
fine.

WOWser IW notes that he was able to burn the MSDN CDs by simply changing the
file name extension from .IMG to .ISO, and then using Nero (on a Windows
2000 machine). WOWser RC did the same thing and had no problem with Windows
XP's native file burner.



From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu May 29 11:37:55 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 12:37:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
In-Reply-To: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJGEAEEJAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEJCDOAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Thanks for this.  I am downloading now.

For some odd reason I am only getting about 180 kbytes / sec today!  This
could take awhile.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:25 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online


I saw this in Woody's Office Watch and I thought some of you might be
interested...

from WOW 8.18:

6. BURNING MSDN CDS
Last month I told all of you programmers that Microsoft has posted the April
2003 MSDN CDs, and you can get all three of them free for the downloading.
Those CDs include an enormous amount of information on Visual Studio 2003 -
it's the required reference for those of you willing to make the leap from
VBA to VB (or C) .NET.

The CD images are at:

http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-56619af
95835/qtr40enud1.img

http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-56619af
95835/qtr40enud2.img

http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-56619af
95835/qtr40enud3.img

One teensy-tiny problem. The CDs are in ISO image format - so-called .IMG
files - and you may have problems burning those files to a CD.

WOWser TP writes: "To get the files to CD you need a program like "undisker"
found at http://www.undisker.com. This software will open and view the
contents much like standard Zip file software and write the contents to the
CD drive. I only used the time limited shareware version of "undisker" but
the software worked very well and I am considering the purchase of the full
version.

One thing you will need to know is the Volume label that needs to be on the
CD. I am pretty sure that it is the name of the file without the extension.
Without the correct volume name the CD's will not load."


from WOW 8.19:

7. BURNING .IMG CDS
Last week I told you about WOWser TP's travails trying to get the downloaded
April 2003 MSDN CD images burned to CD. He used Undisker, and it worked
fine.

WOWser IW notes that he was able to burn the MSDN CDs by simply changing the
file name extension from .IMG to .ISO, and then using Nero (on a Windows
2000 machine). WOWser RC did the same thing and had no problem with Windows
XP's native file burner.


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http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From john at winhaven.net  Thu May 29 11:40:44 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 11:40:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] DAO Version
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FF0@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIAENLEHAA.john@winhaven.net>

thanks

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:09 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] DAO Version
> 
> 
> I strongly recommend that you have two versions of the mde, one for A97
> and one for A2k.  We have not had any luck packaging an A97 mde library
> with AXP.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 7:48 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] DAO Version
> 
> 
> For a mde library that I need to distributed with A97 or A2k. (There is
> no difference in the a2k app other than it can use an a2k BE.)
> 
> I was thinking that if the library's reference was to DAO 3.6 in the
> library then I could distribute it with both A97 and A2k versions of the
> app. Maybe I'm way off the mark here but I'm speculating about
> preventative measures.
> 
> I haven't had any problems with the A97 version library or the FE when
> referencing DAO 3.6 but then again I'm not an end user.
> 
> JB
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> > Foust
> > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:56 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] DAO Version
> >
> >
> > Why would you do that in the first place?  If you have A97 installed, 
> > you have DAO 3.51 installed, and you can rely on it to be compatible 
> > with A97 when you distribute a runtime app or when the target machine 
> > has A97 installed.  If you start mixing versions, you can run into 
> > problems on other machines.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 7:17 PM
> > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] DAO Version
> >
> >
> > Are there any problems using DAO 3.6 with A97?
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 


From thevigil at kabelfoon.nl  Thu May 29 11:43:30 2003
From: thevigil at kabelfoon.nl (Bert-Jan Brinkhuis)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 18:43:30 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] 'windows in taskbar' setting on Windows Terminal Server
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030529090815.0289c258@btlmail.btl.net>
Message-ID: <000c01c32601$71318780$115b2d3e@jester>

Paul,

in a startup form use:

    Application.SetOption "ShowWindowsInTaskbar", False

in the on open event.

HTH

Bert-Jan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul M. Jones" <pjones at btl.net>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:27 PM
Subject: [AccessD] 'windows in taskbar' setting on Windows Terminal Server


>
> I have an .mde application running on a windows terminal server
> system.  The users hate the multiple windows on the task bar so I turned
> off the 'windows in taskbar' option but that option seems to work only for
> the user that turned off the option.  It is still set for everybody else.
I
> imagine that the option is set for the individual user and not necessarily
> the MS Access file.  I can't afford to allow users to go in and mess with
> the options settings.  Is there any way to set that option with code at
> runtime?
>
> Paul M. Jones
> Spire Services Ltd
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


From klk at ksu.edu  Thu May 29 11:57:30 2003
From: klk at ksu.edu (Keith L. Kovala)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 11:57:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEJCDOAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <PIECKAIKNMEJFPGKJKMGIEBBCDAA.klk@ksu.edu>

Must be something between you and MickeySoft..... 2.5MB/Sec here.

Keith Kovala

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:38 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online


Thanks for this.  I am downloading now.

For some odd reason I am only getting about 180 kbytes / sec today!  This
could take awhile.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:25 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online


I saw this in Woody's Office Watch and I thought some of you might be
interested...

from WOW 8.18:

6. BURNING MSDN CDS
Last month I told all of you programmers that Microsoft has posted the April
2003 MSDN CDs, and you can get all three of them free for the downloading.
Those CDs include an enormous amount of information on Visual Studio 2003 -
it's the required reference for those of you willing to make the leap from
VBA to VB (or C) .NET.

The CD images are at:

http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-56619af
95835/qtr40enud1.img

http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-56619af
95835/qtr40enud2.img

http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-56619af
95835/qtr40enud3.img

One teensy-tiny problem. The CDs are in ISO image format - so-called .IMG
files - and you may have problems burning those files to a CD.

WOWser TP writes: "To get the files to CD you need a program like "undisker"
found at http://www.undisker.com. This software will open and view the
contents much like standard Zip file software and write the contents to the
CD drive. I only used the time limited shareware version of "undisker" but
the software worked very well and I am considering the purchase of the full
version.

One thing you will need to know is the Volume label that needs to be on the
CD. I am pretty sure that it is the name of the file without the extension.
Without the correct volume name the CD's will not load."


from WOW 8.19:

7. BURNING .IMG CDS
Last week I told you about WOWser TP's travails trying to get the downloaded
April 2003 MSDN CD images burned to CD. He used Undisker, and it worked
fine.

WOWser IW notes that he was able to burn the MSDN CDs by simply changing the
file name extension from .IMG to .ISO, and then using Nero (on a Windows
2000 machine). WOWser RC did the same thing and had no problem with Windows
XP's native file burner.


_______________________________________________
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Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



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From delliker at hotmail.com  Thu May 29 12:11:54 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 13:11:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Outlook combobox question
Message-ID: <Law12-F120UM7MdZ8xb00023486@hotmail.com>

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From papparuff at attbi.com  Thu May 29 12:19:56 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:19:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Outlook combobox question
In-Reply-To: <Law12-F120UM7MdZ8xb00023486@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <01f601c32606$8774bda0$6401a8c0@papparuff>

TeeHeeHee. Welcome to the club <gr>.
 
 

John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-) 
Always Looking For Contract Opportunities 

Home: 253.588.2139 
Cell: 253.307.2947 
9306 Farwest Dr SW 
Lakewood, WA 98498 

"Commit to the Lord whatever you do, 
                and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Don Elliker
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 10:12 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Outlook combobox question



John,

Thanks for the link. After much Yahoo based gyrating - I am now the
least knowledgeable member of TWO lists!! - How do I get myself into
these things?! Actually, I think Outlook might be fun.(famous last
words) 

Thanks again,
_D





"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." 

>From: "John Ruff" 
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>To: 
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Outlook combobox question 
>Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 09:12:11 -0700 
> 
>I have done very little development in Outlook itself but Sue Mosher is

>an MVP and hosts a newsgroup called Outlook-dev and people there will
be 
>able to answer any questions on Outlook programming. She also has an 
>excellent book on Outlook called Microsoft Outlook Programming from 
>Digitil Press that you might want to consider purchasing if you are 
>going to do some programmin in Outlook. Here is the url for the 
>OUtlook-dev newsgroup. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/outlook-dev/ 
> 
> 
> 
>John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-) 
>Always Looking For Contract Opportunities 
> 
>Home: 253.588.2139 
>Cell: 253.307.2947 
>9306 Farwest Dr SW 
>Lakewood, WA 98498 
> 
>"Commit to the Lord whatever you do, 
> and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3 
> 
>-----Original Message----- 
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Don Elliker 
>Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 8:24 AM 
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>Subject: [AccessD] Outlook combobox question 
> 
> 
> 
>I have seen some posts on Outlook from people who appear to know what 
>they are doing - and I hope no one takes offense at this none-Access 
>question... 
> 
>How in the heck do you get a combobox (on an Outlook form) to have two 
>columns populated by a value list? It says in the NoHelp that if you
set 
>the columncount to 2 it will interpret the semi-colon delimited list as

>column1;column2 and so on....does not work for me. 
> 
>I am sure I'll be buying the book - so if you know a good book I'd 
>appreciate that info as well -preferably under $500. 
> 
> 
>Yours in Automation annoyance, 
> 
>_D 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them." 
> 
> 
> _____ 
> 
>Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. 
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> 
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From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Thu May 29 12:20:29 2003
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 13:20:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Outlook combobox question
Message-ID: <FED384E544086A47AAC07C0999BE8D175B705D@albmsx2k.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Don,
In the same vein, you might also check Sue's Web site www.slipstick.com
I think a solution might be there.
 
 
Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
	Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 1:12 PM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] Outlook combobox question
	
	

	John,

	Thanks for the link. After much Yahoo based gyrating - I am now
the least knowledgeable member of TWO lists!! - How do I get myself into
these things?! Actually, I think Outlook might be fun.(famous last
words) 

	Thanks again,
	_D
	




	"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for
them." 
	
	>From: "John Ruff" 
	>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
	>To: 
	>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Outlook combobox question 
	>Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 09:12:11 -0700 
	> 
	>I have done very little development in Outlook itself but Sue
Mosher is 
	>an MVP and hosts a newsgroup called Outlook-dev and people
there will be 
	>able to answer any questions on Outlook programming. She also
has an 
	>excellent book on Outlook called Microsoft Outlook Programming
from 
	>Digitil Press that you might want to consider purchasing if you
are 
	>going to do some programmin in Outlook. Here is the url for the

	>OUtlook-dev newsgroup.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/outlook-dev/ 
	> 
	> 
	> 
	>John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-) 
	>Always Looking For Contract Opportunities 
	> 
	>Home: 253.588.2139 
	>Cell: 253.307.2947 
	>9306 Farwest Dr SW 
	>Lakewood, WA 98498 
	> 
	>"Commit to the Lord whatever you do, 
	> and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3 
	> 
	>-----Original Message----- 
	>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
	>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Don
Elliker 
	>Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 8:24 AM 
	>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
	>Subject: [AccessD] Outlook combobox question 
	> 
	> 
	> 
	>I have seen some posts on Outlook from people who appear to
know what 
	>they are doing - and I hope no one takes offense at this
none-Access 
	>question... 
	> 
	>How in the heck do you get a combobox (on an Outlook form) to
have two 
	>columns populated by a value list? It says in the NoHelp that
if you set 
	>the columncount to 2 it will interpret the semi-colon delimited
list as 
	>column1;column2 and so on....does not work for me. 
	> 
	>I am sure I'll be buying the book - so if you know a good book
I'd 
	>appreciate that info as well -preferably under $500. 
	> 
	> 
	>Yours in Automation annoyance, 
	> 
	>_D 
	> 
	> 
	> 
	> 
	>"Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for
them." 
	> 
	> 
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From MPorter at acsalaska.com  Thu May 29 12:27:54 2003
From: MPorter at acsalaska.com (Porter, Mark)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 09:27:54 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Crosstab in Oracle
Message-ID: <BFBC9BAC6169D411890000508BAE2C53031207D6@acsexch4.corp.acsalaska.com>

Below is a SQL Server example.  Very rough, could be more elegant I'm sure,
and you may have to do some substitution with Oracle commands, but it may
help you structure it out.
 
Aside from some extra columns, this report gives categorical sales
breakdowns (sd.SalesCategory) per sales ID, grouped by year and month, with
a totals column.
 
Select    sd.Year   as Year
    ,sd.Month   as Month        
  ,Case sd.SalesCategory WHEN 'Non-Strategic' then 'Non-Strategic'        
     WHEN 'Customer Svc' then 'Customer Svc'
     WHEN 'GSR'  then 'GSR'
     WHEN 'Interconnect' then 'Interconnect'
     WHEN 'Internal'  then 'Internal'
     WHEN 'Strategic Sales' then 'Strategic Sales'
     WHEN 'Strategic SOA' then 'Strategic SOA'
     WHEN 'Unassigned' then 'Unassigned'
     ELSE 'Missing Sales Id' END as SalesCategory
  ,Case sd.SalesCategory WHEN 'Non-Strategic' then sd.TGTSalesID            
     WHEN 'Customer Svc' then sd.TGTSalesID
     WHEN 'GSR'  then sd.TGTSalesID
     WHEN 'Interconnect' then sd.TGTSalesID
     WHEN 'Internal'  then sd.TGTSalesID
     WHEN 'Strategic Sales' then sd.TGTSalesID
     WHEN 'Strategic SOA' then sd.TGTSalesID
     WHEN 'Unassigned' then sd.TGTSalesID
     ELSE 'Missing Sales Id' END as TGTSalesID
  ,Case sd.SalesCategory WHEN 'Non-Strategic' then sd.SalesRep            
     WHEN 'Customer Svc' then sd.SalesRep
     WHEN 'GSR'  then sd.SalesRep
     WHEN 'Interconnect' then sd.SalesRep
     WHEN 'Internal'  then sd.SalesRep
     WHEN 'Strategic Sales' then sd.SalesRep
     WHEN 'Strategic SOA' then sd.SalesRep
     WHEN 'Unassigned' then sd.SalesRep
     ELSE 'Missing Sales Id' END as SalesRep
  ,Case sd.SalesCategory WHEN 'Non-Strategic' then sd.SalesID
     WHEN 'Customer Svc' then sd.SalesID
     WHEN 'GSR'  then sd.SalesID
     WHEN 'Interconnect' then sd.SalesID
     WHEN 'Internal'  then sd.SalesID
     WHEN 'Strategic Sales' then sd.SalesID
     WHEN 'Strategic SOA' then sd.SalesID
     WHEN 'Unassigned' then sd.SalesID
     ELSE 'Missing Sales Id' END as SalesID
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'InfoServices' then 0
      WHEN 'CPE'  then 0 ELSE sd.total END) as TargetSales
  ,sum(sd.Total) as TotalSales
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'Access Revenue'  THEN sd.Total ELSE 0 END)
as 'AccessRevenue'
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'Centrex'  THEN sd.Total  ELSE 0 END) as
'Centrex'
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'CPE'   THEN sd.Total  ELSE 0 END) as 'CPE'
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'InfoServices'  THEN sd.Total  ELSE 0 END)
as 'InfoServices'
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'Internet'  THEN sd.Total  ELSE 0 END) as
'Internet'
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'LecDirectory'  THEN sd.Total  ELSE 0 END)
as 'LecDirectory'
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'LecInternet'  THEN sd.Total  ELSE 0 END) as
'LecInternet'
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'Long Distance'  THEN sd.Total  ELSE 0 END)
as 'LongDistance'
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'Messaging'  THEN sd.Total  ELSE 0 END) as
'Messaging'
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'Network'  THEN sd.Total  ELSE 0 END) as
'Network'
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'Switched'  THEN sd.Total  ELSE 0 END) as
'Switched'
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'Other'   THEN sd.Total  ELSE 0 END) as
'Other'
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'Access Revenue'  THEN 0
      WHEN 'Centrex'   THEN 0
     WHEN 'CPE'   THEN 0
     WHEN 'InfoServices'  THEN 0
     WHEN 'Internet'  THEN 0
     WHEN 'LecDirectory'  THEN 0
     WHEN 'LecInternet'  THEN 0
     WHEN 'Long Distance'    THEN 0
     WHEN 'Messaging'  THEN 0
     WHEN 'Network'   THEN 0
     WHEN 'Switched'  THEN 0
     WHEN 'Other'   THEN 0 else sd.Total  END) as 'Undefined'
FROM dbo.tblSalesTargets t RIGHT OUTER JOIN
    dbo.vwSalesDetail_Full sd ON
    t.TGTSalesID = sd.TGTSalesID
     AND
    t.Year = sd.Year AND
    t.Month = sd.Month
--where sd.year = '2002' and sd.month = 8
Group By  sd.Year
   ,sd.Month
 ,Case sd.SalesCategory WHEN 'Non-Strategic' then 'Non-Strategic'
     WHEN 'Customer Svc' then 'Customer Svc'
     WHEN 'GSR'  then 'GSR'
     WHEN 'Interconnect' then 'Interconnect'
     WHEN 'Internal'  then 'Internal'
     WHEN 'Strategic Sales' then 'Strategic Sales'
     WHEN 'Strategic SOA' then 'Strategic SOA'
     WHEN 'Unassigned' then 'Unassigned'
     ELSE 'Missing Sales Id' END
 ,Case sd.SalesCategory WHEN 'Non-Strategic' then sd.TGTSalesID
     WHEN 'Customer Svc' then sd.TGTSalesID
     WHEN 'GSR'  then sd.TGTSalesID
     WHEN 'Interconnect' then sd.TGTSalesID
     WHEN 'Internal'  then sd.TGTSalesID
     WHEN 'Strategic Sales' then sd.TGTSalesID
     WHEN 'Strategic SOA' then sd.TGTSalesID
     WHEN 'Unassigned' then sd.TGTSalesID
     ELSE 'Missing Sales Id' END
 ,Case sd.SalesCategory WHEN 'Non-Strategic' then sd.SalesRep
     WHEN 'Customer Svc' then sd.SalesRep
     WHEN 'GSR'  then sd.SalesRep
     WHEN 'Interconnect' then sd.SalesRep
     WHEN 'Internal'  then sd.SalesRep
     WHEN 'Strategic Sales' then sd.SalesRep
     WHEN 'Strategic SOA' then sd.SalesRep
     WHEN 'Unassigned' then sd.SalesRep
     ELSE 'Missing Sales Id' END
 ,Case sd.SalesCategory WHEN 'Non-Strategic' then sd.SalesID
     WHEN 'Customer Svc' then sd.SalesID
     WHEN 'GSR'  then sd.SalesID
     WHEN 'Interconnect' then sd.SalesID
     WHEN 'Internal'  then sd.SalesID
     WHEN 'Strategic Sales' then sd.SalesID
     WHEN 'Strategic SOA' then sd.SalesID
     WHEN 'Unassigned' then sd.SalesID
     ELSE 'Missing Sales Id' END
 
-- I've pulled out the lines for the summary columns per product line.  The
rest group the data to be summarized.
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'InfoServices' then 0
      WHEN 'CPE'  then 0 ELSE sd.total END) as TargetSales
  ,sum(sd.Total) as TotalSales
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'Access Revenue'  THEN sd.Total ELSE 0 END)
as 'AccessRevenue'
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'Centrex'  THEN sd.Total  ELSE 0 END) as
'Centrex'
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'CPE'   THEN sd.Total  ELSE 0 END) as 'CPE'
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'InfoServices'  THEN sd.Total  ELSE 0 END)
as 'InfoServices'
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'Internet'  THEN sd.Total  ELSE 0 END) as
'Internet'
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'LecDirectory'  THEN sd.Total  ELSE 0 END)
as 'LecDirectory'
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'LecInternet'  THEN sd.Total  ELSE 0 END) as
'LecInternet'
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'Long Distance'  THEN sd.Total  ELSE 0 END)
as 'LongDistance'
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'Messaging'  THEN sd.Total  ELSE 0 END) as
'Messaging'
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'Network'  THEN sd.Total  ELSE 0 END) as
'Network'
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'Switched'  THEN sd.Total  ELSE 0 END) as
'Switched'
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'Other'   THEN sd.Total  ELSE 0 END) as
'Other'
  ,sum(Case sd.ProductLine WHEN 'Access Revenue'  THEN 0
      WHEN 'Centrex'   THEN 0
     WHEN 'CPE'   THEN 0
     WHEN 'InfoServices'  THEN 0
     WHEN 'Internet'  THEN 0
     WHEN 'LecDirectory'  THEN 0
     WHEN 'LecInternet'  THEN 0
     WHEN 'Long Distance'    THEN 0
     WHEN 'Messaging'  THEN 0
     WHEN 'Network'   THEN 0
     WHEN 'Switched'  THEN 0
     WHEN 'Other'   THEN 0 else sd.Total  END) as 'Undefined'
 
--
The rest are group by columns.  Hope this helps.
 
Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Anita Smith [mailto:anita at ddisolutions.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 4:35 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Crosstab in Oracle



Hi Guys,

Does anyone on this great list have any suggestions on how to achieve the
equivalent of a crosstab query in Oracle SQL.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

 

Anita Smith

Australia



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From john at winhaven.net  Thu May 29 12:31:44 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 12:31:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEJCDOAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIIENMEHAA.john@winhaven.net>

Don't feel bad - I'm down to 28.8 for some reason!

JJJooohhhnnn BBB...
:o)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:38 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> Thanks for this.  I am downloading now.
>
> For some odd reason I am only getting about 180 kbytes / sec today!  This
> could take awhile.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:25 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> I saw this in Woody's Office Watch and I thought some of you might be
> interested...
>
> from WOW 8.18:
>
> 6. BURNING MSDN CDS
> Last month I told all of you programmers that Microsoft has
> posted the April
> 2003 MSDN CDs, and you can get all three of them free for the downloading.
> Those CDs include an enormous amount of information on Visual
> Studio 2003 -
> it's the required reference for those of you willing to make the leap from
> VBA to VB (or C) .NET.
>
> The CD images are at:
>
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-80
> 45-56619af
> 95835/qtr40enud1.img
>
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-80
> 45-56619af
> 95835/qtr40enud2.img
>
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-80
> 45-56619af
> 95835/qtr40enud3.img
>
> One teensy-tiny problem. The CDs are in ISO image format - so-called .IMG
> files - and you may have problems burning those files to a CD.
>
> WOWser TP writes: "To get the files to CD you need a program like
> "undisker"
> found at http://www.undisker.com. This software will open and view the
> contents much like standard Zip file software and write the
> contents to the
> CD drive. I only used the time limited shareware version of "undisker" but
> the software worked very well and I am considering the purchase
> of the full
> version.
>
> One thing you will need to know is the Volume label that needs to
> be on the
> CD. I am pretty sure that it is the name of the file without the
> extension.
> Without the correct volume name the CD's will not load."
>
>
> from WOW 8.19:
>
> 7. BURNING .IMG CDS
> Last week I told you about WOWser TP's travails trying to get the
> downloaded
> April 2003 MSDN CD images burned to CD. He used Undisker, and it worked
> fine.
>
> WOWser IW notes that he was able to burn the MSDN CDs by simply
> changing the
> file name extension from .IMG to .ISO, and then using Nero (on a Windows
> 2000 machine). WOWser RC did the same thing and had no problem
> with Windows
> XP's native file burner.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Thu May 29 12:33:08 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: 29 May 2003 18:33:08 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT HTML Authoring
Message-ID: <200305291733.SAA21472@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

thanks mark


Martin

On May 29 2003, Mitsules, Mark wrote:

> Martin,
> 
> If you're still interested in this topic, I ran across another option. 
> Beware of huge line wrap. 
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/downloads/samples/internet/default.asp?url=/Downlo 
> ads/samples/Internet/browser/editcntrl/default.asp
> 
> Description The DHTML Editing control provides a full-featured WYSIWYG 
> HTML editor as a control that you can add to any application.
> 
> 
> In other words, you might be able to "roll your own" with minimal effort.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK 
> [mailto:Mwp.Reid at Queens-Belfast.AC.UK] Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 4:05 AM 
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] OT HTML Authoring
> 
> 
> Anyone know of a good simple HTML authoring tool that is free. Must be 
> WYSIWYG. I am looking at free tools for students to use. Oh and cannot be 
> Netscape.
> 
> Martin
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu May 29 12:42:29 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 13:42:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
In-Reply-To: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIIENMEHAA.john@winhaven.net>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEJGDOAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Uhhh.... I could cut CDs and MAIL them to you faster than you could download
them!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 1:32 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online


Don't feel bad - I'm down to 28.8 for some reason!

JJJooohhhnnn BBB...
:o)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:38 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> Thanks for this.  I am downloading now.
>
> For some odd reason I am only getting about 180 kbytes / sec today!  This
> could take awhile.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:25 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> I saw this in Woody's Office Watch and I thought some of you might be
> interested...
>
> from WOW 8.18:
>
> 6. BURNING MSDN CDS
> Last month I told all of you programmers that Microsoft has
> posted the April
> 2003 MSDN CDs, and you can get all three of them free for the downloading.
> Those CDs include an enormous amount of information on Visual
> Studio 2003 -
> it's the required reference for those of you willing to make the leap from
> VBA to VB (or C) .NET.
>
> The CD images are at:
>
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-80
> 45-56619af
> 95835/qtr40enud1.img
>
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-80
> 45-56619af
> 95835/qtr40enud2.img
>
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-80
> 45-56619af
> 95835/qtr40enud3.img
>
> One teensy-tiny problem. The CDs are in ISO image format - so-called .IMG
> files - and you may have problems burning those files to a CD.
>
> WOWser TP writes: "To get the files to CD you need a program like
> "undisker"
> found at http://www.undisker.com. This software will open and view the
> contents much like standard Zip file software and write the
> contents to the
> CD drive. I only used the time limited shareware version of "undisker" but
> the software worked very well and I am considering the purchase
> of the full
> version.
>
> One thing you will need to know is the Volume label that needs to
> be on the
> CD. I am pretty sure that it is the name of the file without the
> extension.
> Without the correct volume name the CD's will not load."
>
>
> from WOW 8.19:
>
> 7. BURNING .IMG CDS
> Last week I told you about WOWser TP's travails trying to get the
> downloaded
> April 2003 MSDN CD images burned to CD. He used Undisker, and it worked
> fine.
>
> WOWser IW notes that he was able to burn the MSDN CDs by simply
> changing the
> file name extension from .IMG to .ISO, and then using Nero (on a Windows
> 2000 machine). WOWser RC did the same thing and had no problem
> with Windows
> XP's native file burner.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>


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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu May 29 12:56:23 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 13:56:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPKEJGDOAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPAEJHDOAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

I just discovered that the slowdown was the result of downloading from my
dev machine, but putting the file in a dir on the server.  By simply
downloading the file to my dev machine "my received files", the download
speed jumped to a 406 kbytes / sec.  Only 25 minutes / image instead of 1.5
hours.

We're happy.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 1:42 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online


Uhhh.... I could cut CDs and MAIL them to you faster than you could download
them!

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 1:32 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online


Don't feel bad - I'm down to 28.8 for some reason!

JJJooohhhnnn BBB...
:o)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:38 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> Thanks for this.  I am downloading now.
>
> For some odd reason I am only getting about 180 kbytes / sec today!  This
> could take awhile.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:25 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> I saw this in Woody's Office Watch and I thought some of you might be
> interested...
>
> from WOW 8.18:
>
> 6. BURNING MSDN CDS
> Last month I told all of you programmers that Microsoft has
> posted the April
> 2003 MSDN CDs, and you can get all three of them free for the downloading.
> Those CDs include an enormous amount of information on Visual
> Studio 2003 -
> it's the required reference for those of you willing to make the leap from
> VBA to VB (or C) .NET.
>
> The CD images are at:
>
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-80
> 45-56619af
> 95835/qtr40enud1.img
>
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-80
> 45-56619af
> 95835/qtr40enud2.img
>
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-80
> 45-56619af
> 95835/qtr40enud3.img
>
> One teensy-tiny problem. The CDs are in ISO image format - so-called .IMG
> files - and you may have problems burning those files to a CD.
>
> WOWser TP writes: "To get the files to CD you need a program like
> "undisker"
> found at http://www.undisker.com. This software will open and view the
> contents much like standard Zip file software and write the
> contents to the
> CD drive. I only used the time limited shareware version of "undisker" but
> the software worked very well and I am considering the purchase
> of the full
> version.
>
> One thing you will need to know is the Volume label that needs to
> be on the
> CD. I am pretty sure that it is the name of the file without the
> extension.
> Without the correct volume name the CD's will not load."
>
>
> from WOW 8.19:
>
> 7. BURNING .IMG CDS
> Last week I told you about WOWser TP's travails trying to get the
> downloaded
> April 2003 MSDN CD images burned to CD. He used Undisker, and it worked
> fine.
>
> WOWser IW notes that he was able to burn the MSDN CDs by simply
> changing the
> file name extension from .IMG to .ISO, and then using Nero (on a Windows
> 2000 machine). WOWser RC did the same thing and had no problem
> with Windows
> XP's native file burner.
>
>
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu May 29 12:55:32 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:55:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] DAO Version
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FF0@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <3ED64994.1080200@shaw.ca>

If for whatever reason DAO 3.6 is installed, it seems to deregister DAO 
3.51,
so you have to Regsvr32.exe "YourPath\Dao350.dll" and reset your references.
There was a couple of MSKB's on these but I can't find them.
I think if you upgrade your OS from Win 95 to WinXP this occurs.
Charlotte Foust wrote:

>I strongly recommend that you have two versions of the mde, one for A97
>and one for A2k.  We have not had any luck packaging an A97 mde library
>with AXP.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
>Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 7:48 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] DAO Version
>
>
>For a mde library that I need to distributed with A97 or A2k. (There is
>no difference in the a2k app other than it can use an a2k BE.)
>
>I was thinking that if the library's reference was to DAO 3.6 in the
>library then I could distribute it with both A97 and A2k versions of the
>app. Maybe I'm way off the mark here but I'm speculating about
>preventative measures.
>
>I haven't had any problems with the A97 version library or the FE when
>referencing DAO 3.6 but then again I'm not an end user.
>
>JB
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte 
>>Foust
>>Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:56 AM
>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] DAO Version
>>
>>
>>Why would you do that in the first place?  If you have A97 installed, 
>>you have DAO 3.51 installed, and you can rely on it to be compatible 
>>with A97 when you distribute a runtime app or when the target machine 
>>has A97 installed.  If you start mixing versions, you can run into 
>>problems on other machines.
>>
>>Charlotte Foust
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
>>Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 7:17 PM
>>To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>Subject: [AccessD] DAO Version
>>
>>
>>Are there any problems using DAO 3.6 with A97?
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>AccessD mailing list
>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 
>>_______________________________________________
>>AccessD mailing list
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>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>
>
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>



From pjones at btl.net  Thu May 29 13:03:00 2003
From: pjones at btl.net (Paul M. Jones)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 12:03:00 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] 'windows in taskbar' setting on Windows Terminal
  Server
In-Reply-To: <000c01c32601$71318780$115b2d3e@jester>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030529090815.0289c258@btlmail.btl.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030529120220.02bd48e0@btlmail.btl.net>

Bert-Jan,

Works like a charm!!  Thanks a lot.

Paul

At 06:43 PM 5/29/2003 +0200, you wrote:
>Paul,
>
>in a startup form use:
>
>     Application.SetOption "ShowWindowsInTaskbar", False
>
>in the on open event.
>
>HTH
>
>Bert-Jan
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Paul M. Jones" <pjones at btl.net>
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:27 PM
>Subject: [AccessD] 'windows in taskbar' setting on Windows Terminal Server
>
>
> >
> > I have an .mde application running on a windows terminal server
> > system.  The users hate the multiple windows on the task bar so I turned
> > off the 'windows in taskbar' option but that option seems to work only for
> > the user that turned off the option.  It is still set for everybody else.
>I
> > imagine that the option is set for the individual user and not necessarily
> > the MS Access file.  I can't afford to allow users to go in and mess with
> > the options settings.  Is there any way to set that option with code at
> > runtime?
> >
> > Paul M. Jones
> > Spire Services Ltd
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From delliker at hotmail.com  Thu May 29 13:22:21 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 14:22:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Outlook combobox question
Message-ID: <Law12-F79WoK36g7Jt10002390a@hotmail.com>

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 29 14:09:10 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 12:09:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] DAO Version
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FF6@infoserver01.infostat.local>

We have not seen problems with DAO 3.51 being "de-registered" on our
development machines nor on our test platforms.  However, if the MDE
uses DAO code, it will break completely if a reference is bad ... and
you can't reset that, you can only recompile the MDE.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: MartyConnelly [mailto:martyconnelly at shaw.ca] 
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:56 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DAO Version


If for whatever reason DAO 3.6 is installed, it seems to deregister DAO 
3.51,
so you have to Regsvr32.exe "YourPath\Dao350.dll" and reset your
references. There was a couple of MSKB's on these but I can't find them.
I think if you upgrade your OS from Win 95 to WinXP this occurs.
Charlotte Foust wrote:

>I strongly recommend that you have two versions of the mde, one for A97

>and one for A2k.  We have not had any luck packaging an A97 mde library

>with AXP.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
>Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 7:48 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: RE: [AccessD] DAO Version
>
>
>For a mde library that I need to distributed with A97 or A2k. (There is

>no difference in the a2k app other than it can use an a2k BE.)
>
>I was thinking that if the library's reference was to DAO 3.6 in the 
>library then I could distribute it with both A97 and A2k versions of 
>the app. Maybe I'm way off the mark here but I'm speculating about 
>preventative measures.
>
>I haven't had any problems with the A97 version library or the FE when 
>referencing DAO 3.6 but then again I'm not an end user.
>
>JB
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
>>Foust
>>Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:56 AM
>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] DAO Version
>>
>>
>>Why would you do that in the first place?  If you have A97 installed,
>>you have DAO 3.51 installed, and you can rely on it to be compatible 
>>with A97 when you distribute a runtime app or when the target machine 
>>has A97 installed.  If you start mixing versions, you can run into 
>>problems on other machines.
>>
>>Charlotte Foust
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
>>Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 7:17 PM
>>To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>Subject: [AccessD] DAO Version
>>
>>
>>Are there any problems using DAO 3.6 with A97?
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>AccessD mailing list
>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 
>>_______________________________________________
>>AccessD mailing list
>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>
>
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From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Thu May 29 14:16:45 2003
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 15:16:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] VERY SLOW report 
Message-ID: <001501c32616$d8a47b60$a2c50a44@hr.cox.net>

I have an Access 97 report that runs VERY slowly (I mean, like an hour or more at times!).  Any suggestions you can offer would be greatly appreciated.

The report header contains 5 subreports.  The detail section contains 7 subreports.  Each subreport contains,on average, appr. 3 detail lines and 1 total line. There are appr. 36 calculated fields per subreport.  There are 54 calculated fields in the detail section of the main report --- SO, 36 x 7 subreports + 54 = 306 calculated fields in each detail section of the report.  Each detail section is printed on a new page.

The report is often more than 100 pages.  There are appr. 20 tables used in the various queries of the main report and subreports.

The client needs all of this info in one report.  It is their Proposal that they submit when bidding on a contract, containing all of the labor rates, fringe benefits, overhead, profit, etc. for each union trade and level (i.e., carpenter foreman, carpenter journeyman, etc.) for straight time/overtime/double time for first shift, second shift, third shift.

Help!  
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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu May 29 14:27:32 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 12:27:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] DAO Version
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FF6@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <3ED65F24.4000502@shaw.ca>

I knew I had seen one, there is another on reinstalling 3.51 after a 3.6 
install and some rigamarole you have to go through just won't show up on 
search of MSKB.

ACC97: Error Message: "Compile Error: Function or Interface Marked as 
Restricted, or the Function Uses an Automation Type Not Supported in 
Visual Basic"
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;303829

Charlotte Foust wrote:

>We have not seen problems with DAO 3.51 being "de-registered" on our
>development machines nor on our test platforms.  However, if the MDE
>uses DAO code, it will break completely if a reference is bad ... and
>you can't reset that, you can only recompile the MDE.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: MartyConnelly [mailto:martyconnelly at shaw.ca] 
>Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:56 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] DAO Version
>
>
>If for whatever reason DAO 3.6 is installed, it seems to deregister DAO 
>3.51,
>so you have to Regsvr32.exe "YourPath\Dao350.dll" and reset your
>references. There was a couple of MSKB's on these but I can't find them.
>I think if you upgrade your OS from Win 95 to WinXP this occurs.
>Charlotte Foust wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I strongly recommend that you have two versions of the mde, one for A97
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>and one for A2k.  We have not had any luck packaging an A97 mde library
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>with AXP.
>>
>>Charlotte Foust
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
>>Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 7:48 AM
>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] DAO Version
>>
>>
>>For a mde library that I need to distributed with A97 or A2k. (There is
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>no difference in the a2k app other than it can use an a2k BE.)
>>
>>I was thinking that if the library's reference was to DAO 3.6 in the 
>>library then I could distribute it with both A97 and A2k versions of 
>>the app. Maybe I'm way off the mark here but I'm speculating about 
>>preventative measures.
>>
>>I haven't had any problems with the A97 version library or the FE when 
>>referencing DAO 3.6 but then again I'm not an end user.
>>
>>JB
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
>>>Foust
>>>Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:56 AM
>>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] DAO Version
>>>
>>>
>>>Why would you do that in the first place?  If you have A97 installed,
>>>you have DAO 3.51 installed, and you can rely on it to be compatible 
>>>with A97 when you distribute a runtime app or when the target machine 
>>>has A97 installed.  If you start mixing versions, you can run into 
>>>problems on other machines.
>>>
>>>Charlotte Foust
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 7:17 PM
>>>To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>Subject: [AccessD] DAO Version
>>>
>>>
>>>Are there any problems using DAO 3.6 with A97?
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>AccessD mailing list
>>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>AccessD mailing list
>>>AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
>>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>AccessD mailing list
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>>http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>
>
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>



From thevigil at kabelfoon.nl  Thu May 29 14:39:07 2003
From: thevigil at kabelfoon.nl (Bert-Jan Brinkhuis)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 21:39:07 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] 'windows in taskbar' setting on Windows Terminal
	Server
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030529090815.0289c258@btlmail.btl.net>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20030529120220.02bd48e0@btlmail.btl.net>
Message-ID: <002f01c32619$f9068da0$115b2d3e@jester>

Paul,

you're welcome.

Bert-Jan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul M. Jones" <pjones at btl.net>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] 'windows in taskbar' setting on Windows Terminal
Server


> Bert-Jan,
>
> Works like a charm!!  Thanks a lot.
>
> Paul
>
> At 06:43 PM 5/29/2003 +0200, you wrote:
> >Paul,
> >
> >in a startup form use:
> >
> >     Application.SetOption "ShowWindowsInTaskbar", False
> >
> >in the on open event.
> >
> >HTH
> >
> >Bert-Jan
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Paul M. Jones" <pjones at btl.net>
> >To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:27 PM
> >Subject: [AccessD] 'windows in taskbar' setting on Windows Terminal
Server
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I have an .mde application running on a windows terminal server
> > > system.  The users hate the multiple windows on the task bar so I
turned
> > > off the 'windows in taskbar' option but that option seems to work only
for
> > > the user that turned off the option.  It is still set for everybody
else.
> >I
> > > imagine that the option is set for the individual user and not
necessarily
> > > the MS Access file.  I can't afford to allow users to go in and mess
with
> > > the options settings.  Is there any way to set that option with code
at
> > > runtime?
> > >
> > > Paul M. Jones
> > > Spire Services Ltd
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >AccessD mailing list
> >AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
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From papparuff at attbi.com  Thu May 29 14:47:29 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 12:47:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] VERY SLOW report 
In-Reply-To: <001501c32616$d8a47b60$a2c50a44@hr.cox.net>
Message-ID: <024401c3261b$234b5d60$6401a8c0@papparuff>

I believe you have answered your own question.  So many subreports and
calculations.  If your main report and/or the subreports are based on
queries, this might be the case where you could look at creating temp
tables through Make Table queries.  You could also add some of the
calculations in the Make Table queries so that they are stored in the
temp tables.  Your main/sub reports could then be based on these temp
tables.
 
And for those who are grimacing when I say temp tables and storing
calculated values <gr>, sometimes they are a necessary evil to speed up
the program.  In my way of thinking, taking around an hour or to
generate a report is way too long.
 
 

John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-) 
Always Looking For Contract Opportunities 

Home: 253.588.2139 
Cell: 253.307.2947 
9306 Farwest Dr SW 
Lakewood, WA 98498 

"Commit to the Lord whatever you do, 
                and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Ryan
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:17 PM
To: Access List
Subject: [AccessD] VERY SLOW report 


I have an Access 97 report that runs VERY slowly (I mean, like an hour
or more at times!).  Any suggestions you can offer would be greatly
appreciated.
 
The report header contains 5 subreports.  The detail section contains 7
subreports.  Each subreport contains,on average, appr. 3 detail lines
and 1 total line. There are appr. 36 calculated fields per subreport.
There are 54 calculated fields in the detail section of the main report
--- SO, 36 x 7 subreports + 54 = 306 calculated fields in each detail
section of the report.  Each detail section is printed on a new page.
 
The report is often more than 100 pages.  There are appr. 20 tables used
in the various queries of the main report and subreports.
 
The client needs all of this info in one report.  It is their Proposal
that they submit when bidding on a contract, containing all of the labor
rates, fringe benefits, overhead, profit, etc. for each union trade and
level (i.e., carpenter foreman, carpenter journeyman, etc.) for straight
time/overtime/double time for first shift, second shift, third shift.
 
Help!  
Barb Ryan

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 29 15:08:13 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 13:08:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] DAO Version
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FF7@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Ah, but then the help desk simply says, "reinstall the application" and
that reinstalls the A97 runtime which includes DAO 3.51.  <VBG>

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: MartyConnelly [mailto:martyconnelly at shaw.ca] 
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:28 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DAO Version


I knew I had seen one, there is another on reinstalling 3.51 after a 3.6

install and some rigamarole you have to go through just won't show up on

search of MSKB.

ACC97: Error Message: "Compile Error: Function or Interface Marked as 
Restricted, or the Function Uses an Automation Type Not Supported in 
Visual Basic"
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;303829

Charlotte Foust wrote:

>We have not seen problems with DAO 3.51 being "de-registered" on our 
>development machines nor on our test platforms.  However, if the MDE 
>uses DAO code, it will break completely if a reference is bad ... and 
>you can't reset that, you can only recompile the MDE.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: MartyConnelly [mailto:martyconnelly at shaw.ca]
>Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:56 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] DAO Version
>
>
>If for whatever reason DAO 3.6 is installed, it seems to deregister DAO
>3.51,
>so you have to Regsvr32.exe "YourPath\Dao350.dll" and reset your
>references. There was a couple of MSKB's on these but I can't find
them.
>I think if you upgrade your OS from Win 95 to WinXP this occurs.
>Charlotte Foust wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I strongly recommend that you have two versions of the mde, one for 
>>A97
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>and one for A2k.  We have not had any luck packaging an A97 mde 
>>library
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>with AXP.
>>
>>Charlotte Foust
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
>>Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 7:48 AM
>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] DAO Version
>>
>>
>>For a mde library that I need to distributed with A97 or A2k. (There 
>>is
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>no difference in the a2k app other than it can use an a2k BE.)
>>
>>I was thinking that if the library's reference was to DAO 3.6 in the
>>library then I could distribute it with both A97 and A2k versions of 
>>the app. Maybe I'm way off the mark here but I'm speculating about 
>>preventative measures.
>>
>>I haven't had any problems with the A97 version library or the FE when
>>referencing DAO 3.6 but then again I'm not an end user.
>>
>>JB
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte 
>>>Foust
>>>Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:56 AM
>>>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>>Subject: RE: [AccessD] DAO Version
>>>
>>>
>>>Why would you do that in the first place?  If you have A97 installed,

>>>you have DAO 3.51 installed, and you can rely on it to be compatible 
>>>with A97 when you distribute a runtime app or when the target machine

>>>has A97 installed.  If you start mixing versions, you can run into 
>>>problems on other machines.
>>>
>>>Charlotte Foust
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 7:17 PM
>>>To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>Subject: [AccessD] DAO Version
>>>
>>>
>>>Are there any problems using DAO 3.6 with A97?
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From john at winhaven.net  Thu May 29 15:33:24 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 15:33:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] DAO Version
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FF7@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIEENPEHAA.john@winhaven.net>

Charlotte:
Just out of curioustiy which version of JET are you using for A97?



From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Thu May 29 15:58:44 2003
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 16:58:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] VERY SLOW report 
References: <024401c3261b$234b5d60$6401a8c0@papparuff>
Message-ID: <002501c32625$19d46060$a2c50a44@hr.cox.net>

MessageThanks, John..... I think that's a good idea.  I'll give it a shot!...........Barb
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Ruff 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 3:47 PM
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] VERY SLOW report 


  I believe you have answered your own question.  So many subreports and calculations.  If your main report and/or the subreports are based on queries, this might be the case where you could look at creating temp tables through Make Table queries.  You could also add some of the calculations in the Make Table queries so that they are stored in the temp tables.  Your main/sub reports could then be based on these temp tables.

  And for those who are grimacing when I say temp tables and storing calculated values <gr>, sometimes they are a necessary evil to speed up the program.  In my way of thinking, taking around an hour or to generate a report is way too long.


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    -----Original Message-----
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    Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:17 PM
    To: Access List
    Subject: [AccessD] VERY SLOW report 


    I have an Access 97 report that runs VERY slowly (I mean, like an hour or more at times!).  Any suggestions you can offer would be greatly appreciated.

    The report header contains 5 subreports.  The detail section contains 7 subreports.  Each subreport contains,on average, appr. 3 detail lines and 1 total line. There are appr. 36 calculated fields per subreport.  There are 54 calculated fields in the detail section of the main report --- SO, 36 x 7 subreports + 54 = 306 calculated fields in each detail section of the report.  Each detail section is printed on a new page.

    The report is often more than 100 pages.  There are appr. 20 tables used in the various queries of the main report and subreports.

    The client needs all of this info in one report.  It is their Proposal that they submit when bidding on a contract, containing all of the labor rates, fringe benefits, overhead, profit, etc. for each union trade and level (i.e., carpenter foreman, carpenter journeyman, etc.) for straight time/overtime/double time for first shift, second shift, third shift.

    Help!  
    Barb Ryan


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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Thu May 29 15:59:35 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 16:59:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] VERY SLOW report 
In-Reply-To: <001501c32616$d8a47b60$a2c50a44@hr.cox.net>
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Barb,

  That's a pretty heavy duty report.  Without seeing it directly, it's
difficult to say if it could be optimized or not.  So a couple of general
suggestions:

1. Optimize current report - i.e. are fields that need to be indexed
indexed, move calculations up to the highest query level, etc.
2. Prebuild some of the data in temp tables.
3. Break up into separate reports -  I do understand that they need to
submit all this info, but does it really need to be on "one" report.  Is the
end customer going to know that it was 5 reports that printed a page apiece
or 1 report that printed 5 pages?

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Barbara Ryan
  Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 3:17 PM
  To: Access List
  Subject: [AccessD] VERY SLOW report


  I have an Access 97 report that runs VERY slowly (I mean, like an hour or
more at times!).  Any suggestions you can offer would be greatly
appreciated.

  The report header contains 5 subreports.  The detail section contains 7
subreports.  Each subreport contains,on average, appr. 3 detail lines and 1
total line. There are appr. 36 calculated fields per subreport.  There are
54 calculated fields in the detail section of the main report --- SO, 36 x 7
subreports + 54 = 306 calculated fields in each detail section of the
report.  Each detail section is printed on a new page.

  The report is often more than 100 pages.  There are appr. 20 tables used
in the various queries of the main report and subreports.

  The client needs all of this info in one report.  It is their Proposal
that they submit when bidding on a contract, containing all of the labor
rates, fringe benefits, overhead, profit, etc. for each union trade and
level (i.e., carpenter foreman, carpenter journeyman, etc.) for straight
time/overtime/double time for first shift, second shift, third shift.

  Help!
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 29 16:51:40 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 14:51:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] DAO Version
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FF9@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Jet 3.51

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:33 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] DAO Version


Charlotte:
Just out of curioustiy which version of JET are you using for A97?


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From MPorter at acsalaska.com  Thu May 29 17:11:54 2003
From: MPorter at acsalaska.com (Porter, Mark)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 14:11:54 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited
Message-ID: <BFBC9BAC6169D411890000508BAE2C53031207DE@acsexch4.corp.acsalaska.com>


Thanks for the responses, which fixed a lot of the issue.  

However, on a WinXP Pro machine I'm getting an error on the /wrkgrp switch.
it is looking for the *.mdw filepath by starting in the local documents and
settings, instead of using the UNC path.

Has anyone seen/fixed this behavior?

Thanks,

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:11 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch


After the responses all had the msaccess.exe executible path I recalled that
it was required with the other times that I've implemented it.

I never did know why though.  Thanks for clearing it up.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch


Charles answered your question, but the reason it isn't working is
because *all* command line arguments are ignored if you do not include
the full path and filename to the Access executable in your shortcut.
Since /WRKGRP is a command line argument, it gets ignored when you only
include the database path and the workgroup and leave out the Access
executable.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 4:39 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch



I have a secured Access 2000 file format database and want to use the
/wrkgrp command line switch in a shortcut to associate with the
workgroup on startup.  This command switch is not working 
( F:\sis\CCA_App.mdb /WRKGRP "F:\sis\CCA_Workgroup.mdw" )

the user accesses the correct file but under the system.mdw workgroup.  

I've verified that the file locations and the spelling are all correct.
Any ideas?

Thanks,

Mark


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu May 29 16:49:51 2003
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 07:49:51 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
In-Reply-To: <PIECKAIKNMEJFPGKJKMGIEBBCDAA.klk@ksu.edu>
References: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEJCDOAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3ED70D1F.123.205B01@localhost>

I hate you all !!!!!!!!!!!! :-)

How long will it take me at my dialup average of 4KB/Sec?

On 29 May 2003 at 11:57, Keith L. Kovala wrote:

> Must be something between you and MickeySoft..... 2.5MB/Sec here.
> 
> Keith Kovala
> 
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> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
> 
> 
> Thanks for this.  I am downloading now.
> 
> For some odd reason I am only getting about 180 kbytes / sec today!  This
> could take awhile.
> 
> John W. Colby
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> 

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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu May 29 17:29:52 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 18:29:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
In-Reply-To: <3ED70D1F.123.205B01@localhost>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEKADOAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

By my calculations - 44 hours / disc.  Assuming that your ISP doesn't hang
up on you of course.  Dial up ISPs have a nasty habit of doing that.

In fact back when I was afflicted by the dial-up disease, I started setting
my email client to request email every 10 minutes so that they wouldn't hang
up on me.  They set the "no activity then hang-up" time to 6 minutes.  I set
my email client get email every 5 minutes.  They set the timeout to 4
minutes.  I set my email client to get email every 3 minutes.  They gave up
and I stayed connected 24/7.

I don't miss dialup, but I still get the email every 3 minutes.  I just got
used to it.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online


I hate you all !!!!!!!!!!!! :-)

How long will it take me at my dialup average of 4KB/Sec?

On 29 May 2003 at 11:57, Keith L. Kovala wrote:

> Must be something between you and MickeySoft..... 2.5MB/Sec here.
>
> Keith Kovala
>
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> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> Thanks for this.  I am downloading now.
>
> For some odd reason I am only getting about 180 kbytes / sec today!  This
> could take awhile.
>
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>

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu May 29 17:36:35 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 17:36:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] VERY SLOW report 
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802226CB1@main2.marlow.com>

Hmmm, few things to look into.  First, make sure you have indexes on
everything that you can, where searches are being used.  (IE, if you are
pulling information from a list, and you only want records that have
'Something' in that field, then you should have an index on the field.).  I
would recommend no more then 3 or 4 indexes per table.....make them count.
 
That should speed things up quite a bit (indexes make a BIG difference).
Next, are you connecting to a Back End source?  If so, try running the
Backend locally, see if that helps.  If it does, there may be some network
issues involved.
 
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Barbara Ryan [mailto:BarbaraRyan at cox.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 2:17 PM
To: Access List
Subject: [AccessD] VERY SLOW report 


I have an Access 97 report that runs VERY slowly (I mean, like an hour or
more at times!).  Any suggestions you can offer would be greatly
appreciated.
 
The report header contains 5 subreports.  The detail section contains 7
subreports.  Each subreport contains,on average, appr. 3 detail lines and 1
total line. There are appr. 36 calculated fields per subreport.  There are
54 calculated fields in the detail section of the main report --- SO, 36 x 7
subreports + 54 = 306 calculated fields in each detail section of the
report.  Each detail section is printed on a new page.
 
The report is often more than 100 pages.  There are appr. 20 tables used in
the various queries of the main report and subreports.
 
The client needs all of this info in one report.  It is their Proposal that
they submit when bidding on a contract, containing all of the labor rates,
fringe benefits, overhead, profit, etc. for each union trade and level
(i.e., carpenter foreman, carpenter journeyman, etc.) for straight
time/overtime/double time for first shift, second shift, third shift.
 
Help!  
Barb Ryan

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu May 29 17:42:30 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 17:42:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802226CB2@main2.marlow.com>

Um, complete shot in the dark, but since W2k, Shortcuts have more internal
information then you think.  For instance, if you have a shortcut pointing
to something.exe on your root C: drive.  Then one day you move that .exe to
another drive or folder, W2k and up will actually 'fix' your shortcut for
you.  (It's a service, so it may be turned off or on, it can even be setup
to be LAN wide).

One bad effect that myself and my co-network admin has noticed, is that you
can have problems trying to copy a network shortcut from one machine to the
next, because the shortcut is actually a shortcut to a internal reference on
your local machine, that points to the network resource, so copying the
shortcut elsewhere is giving them a shortcut to your local internal
reference/shortcut, which they may not be able to access, in fact, it will
usually try to access the same file/folder location on your local machine.
To fix this, we just made new shortcuts from scratch.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:12 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited



Thanks for the responses, which fixed a lot of the issue.  

However, on a WinXP Pro machine I'm getting an error on the /wrkgrp switch.
it is looking for the *.mdw filepath by starting in the local documents and
settings, instead of using the UNC path.

Has anyone seen/fixed this behavior?

Thanks,

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:11 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch


After the responses all had the msaccess.exe executible path I recalled that
it was required with the other times that I've implemented it.

I never did know why though.  Thanks for clearing it up.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch


Charles answered your question, but the reason it isn't working is
because *all* command line arguments are ignored if you do not include
the full path and filename to the Access executable in your shortcut.
Since /WRKGRP is a command line argument, it gets ignored when you only
include the database path and the workgroup and leave out the Access
executable.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 4:39 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch



I have a secured Access 2000 file format database and want to use the
/wrkgrp command line switch in a shortcut to associate with the
workgroup on startup.  This command switch is not working 
( F:\sis\CCA_App.mdb /WRKGRP "F:\sis\CCA_Workgroup.mdw" )

the user accesses the correct file but under the system.mdw workgroup.  

I've verified that the file locations and the spelling are all correct.
Any ideas?

Thanks,

Mark


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From MPorter at acsalaska.com  Thu May 29 17:47:11 2003
From: MPorter at acsalaska.com (Porter, Mark)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 14:47:11 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited
Message-ID: <BFBC9BAC6169D411890000508BAE2C53031207E1@acsexch4.corp.acsalaska.com>

Good point, I've noticed the 'fixit' behavior with WinXP pro shortcuts also.

But this shortcut was built on the machine itself (WinXP with a UNC
workgroup filepath, double-quotes around each filepath like "<msaccess.exe>"
/wrkgrp "<.mdw with UNC pathing>" ".mdb file path")

I've also cleared the 'Start In' box to avoid it starting in the wrong
place.

I'm stumped.

Mark

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From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 2:43 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited


Um, complete shot in the dark, but since W2k, Shortcuts have more internal
information then you think.  For instance, if you have a shortcut pointing
to something.exe on your root C: drive.  Then one day you move that .exe to
another drive or folder, W2k and up will actually 'fix' your shortcut for
you.  (It's a service, so it may be turned off or on, it can even be setup
to be LAN wide).

One bad effect that myself and my co-network admin has noticed, is that you
can have problems trying to copy a network shortcut from one machine to the
next, because the shortcut is actually a shortcut to a internal reference on
your local machine, that points to the network resource, so copying the
shortcut elsewhere is giving them a shortcut to your local internal
reference/shortcut, which they may not be able to access, in fact, it will
usually try to access the same file/folder location on your local machine.
To fix this, we just made new shortcuts from scratch.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:12 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited



Thanks for the responses, which fixed a lot of the issue.  

However, on a WinXP Pro machine I'm getting an error on the /wrkgrp switch.
it is looking for the *.mdw filepath by starting in the local documents and
settings, instead of using the UNC path.

Has anyone seen/fixed this behavior?

Thanks,

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:11 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch


After the responses all had the msaccess.exe executible path I recalled that
it was required with the other times that I've implemented it.

I never did know why though.  Thanks for clearing it up.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch


Charles answered your question, but the reason it isn't working is
because *all* command line arguments are ignored if you do not include
the full path and filename to the Access executable in your shortcut.
Since /WRKGRP is a command line argument, it gets ignored when you only
include the database path and the workgroup and leave out the Access
executable.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 4:39 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch



I have a secured Access 2000 file format database and want to use the
/wrkgrp command line switch in a shortcut to associate with the
workgroup on startup.  This command switch is not working 
( F:\sis\CCA_App.mdb /WRKGRP "F:\sis\CCA_Workgroup.mdw" )

the user accesses the correct file but under the system.mdw workgroup.  

I've verified that the file locations and the spelling are all correct.
Any ideas?

Thanks,

Mark


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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Thu May 29 17:59:33 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 17:59:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802226CB3@main2.marlow.com>

I think the Start In box is supposed to have the path to your program files
location.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:47 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited


Good point, I've noticed the 'fixit' behavior with WinXP pro shortcuts also.

But this shortcut was built on the machine itself (WinXP with a UNC
workgroup filepath, double-quotes around each filepath like "<msaccess.exe>"
/wrkgrp "<.mdw with UNC pathing>" ".mdb file path")

I've also cleared the 'Start In' box to avoid it starting in the wrong
place.

I'm stumped.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 2:43 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited


Um, complete shot in the dark, but since W2k, Shortcuts have more internal
information then you think.  For instance, if you have a shortcut pointing
to something.exe on your root C: drive.  Then one day you move that .exe to
another drive or folder, W2k and up will actually 'fix' your shortcut for
you.  (It's a service, so it may be turned off or on, it can even be setup
to be LAN wide).

One bad effect that myself and my co-network admin has noticed, is that you
can have problems trying to copy a network shortcut from one machine to the
next, because the shortcut is actually a shortcut to a internal reference on
your local machine, that points to the network resource, so copying the
shortcut elsewhere is giving them a shortcut to your local internal
reference/shortcut, which they may not be able to access, in fact, it will
usually try to access the same file/folder location on your local machine.
To fix this, we just made new shortcuts from scratch.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:12 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited



Thanks for the responses, which fixed a lot of the issue.  

However, on a WinXP Pro machine I'm getting an error on the /wrkgrp switch.
it is looking for the *.mdw filepath by starting in the local documents and
settings, instead of using the UNC path.

Has anyone seen/fixed this behavior?

Thanks,

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:11 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch


After the responses all had the msaccess.exe executible path I recalled that
it was required with the other times that I've implemented it.

I never did know why though.  Thanks for clearing it up.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch


Charles answered your question, but the reason it isn't working is
because *all* command line arguments are ignored if you do not include
the full path and filename to the Access executable in your shortcut.
Since /WRKGRP is a command line argument, it gets ignored when you only
include the database path and the workgroup and leave out the Access
executable.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 4:39 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch



I have a secured Access 2000 file format database and want to use the
/wrkgrp command line switch in a shortcut to associate with the
workgroup on startup.  This command switch is not working 
( F:\sis\CCA_App.mdb /WRKGRP "F:\sis\CCA_Workgroup.mdw" )

the user accesses the correct file but under the system.mdw workgroup.  

I've verified that the file locations and the spelling are all correct.
Any ideas?

Thanks,

Mark


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From MPorter at acsalaska.com  Thu May 29 18:06:19 2003
From: MPorter at acsalaska.com (Porter, Mark)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 15:06:19 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited
Message-ID: <BFBC9BAC6169D411890000508BAE2C53031207E3@acsexch4.corp.acsalaska.com>

Tried with the Start In box filled and clear, same result.

Shortcut works without the workgroup switch and arguement, which is really
throwing us off.

Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 3:00 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited


I think the Start In box is supposed to have the path to your program files
location.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:47 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited


Good point, I've noticed the 'fixit' behavior with WinXP pro shortcuts also.

But this shortcut was built on the machine itself (WinXP with a UNC
workgroup filepath, double-quotes around each filepath like "<msaccess.exe>"
/wrkgrp "<.mdw with UNC pathing>" ".mdb file path")

I've also cleared the 'Start In' box to avoid it starting in the wrong
place.

I'm stumped.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 2:43 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited


Um, complete shot in the dark, but since W2k, Shortcuts have more internal
information then you think.  For instance, if you have a shortcut pointing
to something.exe on your root C: drive.  Then one day you move that .exe to
another drive or folder, W2k and up will actually 'fix' your shortcut for
you.  (It's a service, so it may be turned off or on, it can even be setup
to be LAN wide).

One bad effect that myself and my co-network admin has noticed, is that you
can have problems trying to copy a network shortcut from one machine to the
next, because the shortcut is actually a shortcut to a internal reference on
your local machine, that points to the network resource, so copying the
shortcut elsewhere is giving them a shortcut to your local internal
reference/shortcut, which they may not be able to access, in fact, it will
usually try to access the same file/folder location on your local machine.
To fix this, we just made new shortcuts from scratch.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:12 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited



Thanks for the responses, which fixed a lot of the issue.  

However, on a WinXP Pro machine I'm getting an error on the /wrkgrp switch.
it is looking for the *.mdw filepath by starting in the local documents and
settings, instead of using the UNC path.

Has anyone seen/fixed this behavior?

Thanks,

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:11 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch


After the responses all had the msaccess.exe executible path I recalled that
it was required with the other times that I've implemented it.

I never did know why though.  Thanks for clearing it up.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch


Charles answered your question, but the reason it isn't working is
because *all* command line arguments are ignored if you do not include
the full path and filename to the Access executable in your shortcut.
Since /WRKGRP is a command line argument, it gets ignored when you only
include the database path and the workgroup and leave out the Access
executable.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 4:39 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch



I have a secured Access 2000 file format database and want to use the
/wrkgrp command line switch in a shortcut to associate with the
workgroup on startup.  This command switch is not working 
( F:\sis\CCA_App.mdb /WRKGRP "F:\sis\CCA_Workgroup.mdw" )

the user accesses the correct file but under the system.mdw workgroup.  

I've verified that the file locations and the spelling are all correct.
Any ideas?

Thanks,

Mark


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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Thu May 29 18:19:02 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 09:19:02 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2K: Basic Design Question
References: <3ED67F16.28644.2406CC3@localhost>
Message-ID: <003c01c32638$b1572bd0$3c619a89@DDICK>

Stuart you da man!!!!!!!!!!!
Dunno why I get the message, but I do.
I then go back and turn the form into continuous instead of
single then all is OK

Thanks so very much

Have a great day

Darren

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From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K: Basic Design Question


> On 29 May 2003 at 16:40, Darren DICK wrote:
> 
> > Hi Stuart
> > (I'm getting your posts twice)
> > I tried the subform thing before with no joy.
> > On my version of Acccess2K If I set a form to be continuous then
> > enable/add the relevant header and footers. Each time a try to add a subform
> > I get the message box....
> > <bold> A form with a subform object can't have it's DefaultView set to 'continuous forms'
> > You tried to add a subform to a form in desgin view
> > Microsoft Access will reset the property to Single form
> > 
> > Then the monster turns the Parent form from continuous to single. Bugger
> > 
> > Any other suggestions really appreciated
> 
> Sample showing how it does work in A2K sent off list. Anyone else 
> need one?
> 
> -- 
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> Support.
> 
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From ray282828 at yahoo.com.hk  Thu May 29 18:17:27 2003
From: ray282828 at yahoo.com.hk (Ray Li)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 07:17:27 +0800
Subject: [AccessD] Failure to open database file
Message-ID: <000001c32638$7a22a220$0501a8c0@SonyRX660>

When I open a database on a pc running Access 97, the following errors
message came out and
failed in opening.

Function isn't available in expressions in query expression '........

The report name 'rptScoreOfAllFactories' you entered is misspelled or
refers
to a report that isn't open or doesn't exist.

The program opened correctly in the past but suddenly it happened today.
Same
program opens correctly on other pcs. Can someone encountered similar
problem before
share with your fixes to me.

Thanks,

Ray

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 29 18:19:21 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 16:19:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C350@infoserver01.infostat.local>

If this is a network drive, you might be having problems for a different
reason.  We've seen network drives that are not mapped to drive letters
just become unavailable on some of our machines, with no pattern we can
identify.  One machine will be fine but a couple of others won't be able
to get at that network location with anything short of a reboot.  We've
seen that on our WinXP machines but also on a Win 2k machine after they
tweaked all our IP addresses and made them static.  Any network
locations that are mapped to drive letters are fine but those we get at
through My Network Places/Network Neighborhood -->Entire Network just
sit there an stare at us.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 3:06 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited


Tried with the Start In box filled and clear, same result.

Shortcut works without the workgroup switch and arguement, which is
really throwing us off.

Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 3:00 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited


I think the Start In box is supposed to have the path to your program
files location.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:47 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited


Good point, I've noticed the 'fixit' behavior with WinXP pro shortcuts
also.

But this shortcut was built on the machine itself (WinXP with a UNC
workgroup filepath, double-quotes around each filepath like
"<msaccess.exe>" /wrkgrp "<.mdw with UNC pathing>" ".mdb file path")

I've also cleared the 'Start In' box to avoid it starting in the wrong
place.

I'm stumped.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 2:43 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited


Um, complete shot in the dark, but since W2k, Shortcuts have more
internal information then you think.  For instance, if you have a
shortcut pointing to something.exe on your root C: drive.  Then one day
you move that .exe to another drive or folder, W2k and up will actually
'fix' your shortcut for you.  (It's a service, so it may be turned off
or on, it can even be setup to be LAN wide).

One bad effect that myself and my co-network admin has noticed, is that
you can have problems trying to copy a network shortcut from one machine
to the next, because the shortcut is actually a shortcut to a internal
reference on your local machine, that points to the network resource, so
copying the shortcut elsewhere is giving them a shortcut to your local
internal reference/shortcut, which they may not be able to access, in
fact, it will usually try to access the same file/folder location on
your local machine. To fix this, we just made new shortcuts from
scratch.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:12 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited



Thanks for the responses, which fixed a lot of the issue.  

However, on a WinXP Pro machine I'm getting an error on the /wrkgrp
switch. it is looking for the *.mdw filepath by starting in the local
documents and settings, instead of using the UNC path.

Has anyone seen/fixed this behavior?

Thanks,

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:11 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch


After the responses all had the msaccess.exe executible path I recalled
that it was required with the other times that I've implemented it.

I never did know why though.  Thanks for clearing it up.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch


Charles answered your question, but the reason it isn't working is
because *all* command line arguments are ignored if you do not include
the full path and filename to the Access executable in your shortcut.
Since /WRKGRP is a command line argument, it gets ignored when you only
include the database path and the workgroup and leave out the Access
executable.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 4:39 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch



I have a secured Access 2000 file format database and want to use the
/wrkgrp command line switch in a shortcut to associate with the
workgroup on startup.  This command switch is not working 
( F:\sis\CCA_App.mdb /WRKGRP "F:\sis\CCA_Workgroup.mdw" )

the user accesses the correct file but under the system.mdw workgroup.  

I've verified that the file locations and the spelling are all correct.
Any ideas?

Thanks,

Mark


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu May 29 18:24:55 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 16:24:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Failure to open database file
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FFC@infoserver01.infostat.local>

It sounds like you have a broken reference on that machine.  You'll have
to open up a code module and then check Tools-->References to look for
anything that shows MISSING at the front of the reference name.
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
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	Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 3:17 PM
	To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: [AccessD] Failure to open database file
	
	

	When I open a database on a pc running Access 97, the following
errors message came out and
	failed in opening.
	
	Function isn't available in expressions in query expression
'........
	
	The report name 'rptScoreOfAllFactories' you entered is
misspelled or refers
	to a report that isn't open or doesn't exist.
	
	The program opened correctly in the past but suddenly it
happened today. Same
	program opens correctly on other pcs. Can someone encountered
similar problem before
	share with your fixes to me.
	
	Thanks,
	
	Ray

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From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Thu May 29 19:12:35 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 17:12:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] DAO Version
References: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FF9@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <3ED6A1F3.2070006@shaw.ca>

Ah, I was confused. It wasn't the 3.51 DAO code libraries being 
overwritten, it was the 3.51 ODBC driver being replaced by the 4.0 ODBC 
driver.

HOWTO: Have Your ODBC Jet 3.5 and 4.0 Applications Co-exist
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;244040

 Some of the exceptions (Borland read only files) in the above article 
have been corrected by Jet SP-6. It should not bother many people unless 
you are using ADO to read multiple mdb's. Then you will have to change 
your DSN or connection string.

ACC2000: Reverting to the Access 97 ODBC Driver After Installing MDAC
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;237575

Charlotte Foust wrote:

>Jet 3.51
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
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>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
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>
>Charlotte:
>Just out of curioustiy which version of JET are you using for A97?
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From anita at ddisolutions.com.au  Thu May 29 20:36:37 2003
From: anita at ddisolutions.com.au (Anita Smith)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 11:36:37 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Crosstab in Oracle
Message-ID: <6D8C24685B2A614481AD0BDAB0AC94F90103F0@ddi-pdc.DDISolutions.ddisolutions.com.au>

Mark & Gustav,

Thanks for your replies.

Mark thanks a lot for the sample, it looks very promising.

Gustav, yes I am back but unfortunately I am not receiving any mails
from the group yet, a bit of a mystery (I found your replies in the
archives on line), hopefully I will get to the bottom of it so I can
enjoy the list again. The Google search did come up with quite a few
places to look. Friday is a good day for research.

 

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From jamie at kriegelpcsolutions.com  Thu May 29 21:50:35 2003
From: jamie at kriegelpcsolutions.com (Jamie Kriegel)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 21:50:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Form Questions
In-Reply-To: <005d01c325ad$24b94f40$3c619a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <OPEIKJLOKOBFPLBDBHPKCEPIDFAA.jamie@kriegelpcsolutions.com>

Hi there,

I have 2 questions and I was hoping one of you generous and intelligent
people could help me.

1.  In a form I have a combo box that I use to as a lookup.  For example, my
form holds customer information and I use the combo box to choose a
paticular customer.  When I choose this customer, it is his/her information
that I see in the form.  How do I get this combo to default to a blank?
Right now it shows the name of my previous search in the on screen control
which can be confusing.  I want it to remain blank until I choose a customer
from the list.

2.   I have a form with 2 subforms.  The main form is customer information,
subform 1 is insurance policies that customer holds, and subform 2 is any
dependents that customer may have on a particular policy.  When I add a new
policy for a customer (subform 1), I have to go to a different record and
back before Access will allow me to enter data on subform 2 (dependents on
that policy).

Any ideas would be wonderful!  Thank you,

Jamie


From caa at highway.com.br  Thu May 29 23:20:49 2003
From: caa at highway.com.br (Carlos Alberto Alves)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 01:20:49 -0300
Subject: [AccessD] OT - test
Message-ID: <oprpyw0zv8euy8y3@localhost>

just a test...

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From paul.hartland at fsmail.net  Fri May 30 03:19:45 2003
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net (paul.hartland at fsmail.net)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 8:19:45 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Saving Query From VB6 into Access
Message-ID: <20030530081945.HFII4720.fep07-svc.ttys.com@localhost>

To all,

I'm sure I have either done this before or have heard it can be done.  I have a Visual Basic 6 front-end which links to an Access back-end, what I want to do is build a SQL select statement on the fly in VB6 (I have got this far), and then I need to save it as a query into the Access database.

Anyone have any ideas on how I go about this.....

Thanks in advance.

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From artful at rogers.com  Fri May 30 06:14:07 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 07:14:07 -0400
Subject: OT: google as a verb  Was: RE: [AccessD] Crosstab in Oracle
In-Reply-To: <12410507488.20030529152143@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <00f601c3269c$963930f0$8e01a8c0@Rock>

I guess they'll be suing William Gibson for his use of the verb "to google"
in his latest book Pattern Recognition, which, not to get too OT about it,
is a great read.

Arthur

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: May 29, 2003 9:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: OT: google as a verb Was: RE: [AccessD] Crosstab in Oracle


Hi Mark

>>However, if you google on Oracle SQL crosstab you'll find some hints.

> Just an observation to something I read a few months back...no 
> judgment on these statements one way or the other.

> Apparently, Google's lawyers are hard at work trying to maintain 
> "Google" as a trademark.  I think the article was discussing the 
> possibility that if Google were to become too successful, people would 
> start using Google as a verb.  At that point, Google could lose their 
> trademark much like aspirin did years ago.

Maybe - or maybe not: Xerox did not.

/gustav

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From artful at rogers.com  Fri May 30 06:20:32 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 07:20:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] simple questions:  combo box help
In-Reply-To: <OPEIKJLOKOBFPLBDBHPKAEOKEBAA.jamie@kriegelpcsolutions.com>
Message-ID: <00f701c3269d$7bdc1e10$8e01a8c0@Rock>

In its OnEnter event, type:

Me.cboDependents.Requery

Assuming that the control's name is cboDependents.

Sure. E me off-list and I'll have a look. From your description, I would
suggest that the tables be arranged like this:

PolicyHolders:  
	PK = PolicyHolderID
	Name, etc.
Dependents:
	PK = DependentID
	FK = PolicyHolderID
Policies:
	PK = PolicyID
	FK = PolicyHolderID
PolicyDependents:
	PK = PolicyDependentID
	FK = DependentID
	FK = PolicyID

So that one policy for one policyholder with two covered dependents would be
represented as one row in PolicyHolders, one row in Policies, two rows in
Dependents and two rows in PolicyDependents.

Glad to help,
Arthur

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jamie Kriegel
Sent: May 29, 2003 9:37 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] simple questions: combo box help


Thanks for the help arthur . . . how do I requery the dependents combo on
subform 2?

Also, I'm wondering if I have this set up properly as far as relationships
go . . .can I email you off list with a print out of my tables and
relationships.  I'd really appreciate your input/opinion as to wether or not
I have them set up properly.

Thanks,
Jamie

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 7:11 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] simple questions: combo box help


I forgot one last thing. In the OnEnter of subform 2, requery the dependents
combo.

Arthur

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: May 29, 2003 7:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] simple questions: combo box help


Presumably there's a table called Dependents that houses all the policy
holders' dependents, and contains a column for PolicyHolderID. In that case,
the query that populates the dependents combo box needs to observe the
current policy holder. There are a few ways to do this. My approach is to
keep everything as clean as possible, so I'd use a static function and call
it from the master form's OnCurrent event.

Here is the template I use for creating static functions:

Static Function CurrentX(Optional lngNew As Long) As Long
'Copy this template each time you need a new set/get function 'Then Replace
"X" with the name of your object, i.e.,"Employee" 'Replace all in current
proc and you're done.

    Dim lngCurrent As Long
    If lngNew <> 0 Then lngCurrent = lngNew
    CurrentX = lngCurrent
End Function

So you'd make something like this:

Static Function CurrentPolicyHolder(Optional lngNew As Long) As Long

    Dim lngCurrent As Long
    If lngNew <> 0 Then lngCurrent = lngNew
    CurrentPolicyHolder = lngCurrent
End Function

In the master form's OnCurrent event, just write this:

    CurrentPolicyHolder(Me.PolicyHolderID)	'adjust the name to suit

Then modify your query to reference the function:

    Select DependentID, DependentName From Dependents Where PolicyHolder =
CurrentPolicyHolder()

That should work as you want.

Hth,
Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike and Doris
Manning
Sent: May 29, 2003 7:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] simple questions: combo box help


Does the table your dependent list is pulled from have some field that links
it to the policy holder?  If it does, then just use a reference to a control
on the main form that holds that connecting information in the query for the
dependent combobox.  If not, then you have a big problem.

Doris Manning
Database Administrator
Hargrove Inc.
www.hargroveinc.com


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jamie Kriegel
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 2:02 AM
To: Accessd at Databaseadvisors.Com
Subject: [AccessD] simple questions: combo box help


Hi Everyone,

I have what I hope is a very simple question.  I have a form with a
subreport (actually two subreports).  This form is used in an insurance
database.  The first main form lists policy holder info, subform 1 lists all
policies that this particular customer has (auto, life, home, etc.) and
subform 2 list all dependents on whatever policy is in subform 1 (e.g.
subform 1 lists auto policy and subform 2 shows that the policy holder's
wife and son are also on this policy.)  Anyway, on subform 2 I have a combo
box where I want to pick the dependent's name (if I'm adding a dependent to
a policy.)  My only problem is, the combo box lists EVERY dependent in my
database.  How do I filter this combo box to only show the policy holder's
dependents?

Any help would be GREATLY appreciated!

Thanks,
Jamie

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From artful at rogers.com  Fri May 30 06:22:54 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 07:22:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Query reference to screen control
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FEB@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <00f801c3269d$d04d6580$8e01a8c0@Rock>

That's an additional reason why I dislike going that route. The query then
becomes useless in the absence of said form being open. Static functions are
IMO a much better way to go.
 
Just my $.02,
Arthur

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: May 29, 2003 11:00 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Query reference to screen control



Parameters referring to form controls work just fine.  Only make sure you
put in the square brackets around each part of the parameter yourself.
Otherwise, when/if you convert to 2002, you can run into problems when the
query engine kindly inserts its own brackets around the whole blasted
parameter.  Hello?  This is the voice of experience speaking ...
 
Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:16 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Query reference to screen control



Hmmmm, that's a twist. Does it then not pop up the parameter dialog because
I would be referring to the screen control?...I will give it a go, and
thanks Gustav.
_d





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>From: Gustav Brock 
>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Query reference to screen control 
>Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 12:53:47 +0200 
> 
>Hi Don 
> 
>Try specifying in the query [forms]![frmtestcases]![cmbproject] as a 
>parameter. 
> 
>/gustav 
> 
> >I have this odd occurrance in A2K. I have a combo that has criteria 
> >referencing two screen controls, like this 
> >[forms]![frmtestcases]![cmbproject]. Many times (but not always) it 
> >returns nothing when I click it. Then if I go into the grid for the 
> >underlying query and make it 
> >=[forms]![frmtestcases]![cmbproject] it works, however it does not keep 
> >the equal sign, it discards it - works for a while then craps out. What 
> >gives?? Just another wierd Accessism? 
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From artful at rogers.com  Fri May 30 06:31:35 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 07:31:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
In-Reply-To: <PIECKAIKNMEJFPGKJKMGIEBBCDAA.klk@ksu.edu>
Message-ID: <00fd01c3269f$0740ab00$8e01a8c0@Rock>

I guess I wasn't quick enough. They seem to be gone now. I'm getting page
not found.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Keith L. Kovala
Sent: May 29, 2003 12:58 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online


Must be something between you and MickeySoft..... 2.5MB/Sec here.

Keith Kovala

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:38 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online


Thanks for this.  I am downloading now.

For some odd reason I am only getting about 180 kbytes / sec today!  This
could take awhile.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:25 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online


I saw this in Woody's Office Watch and I thought some of you might be
interested...

from WOW 8.18:

6. BURNING MSDN CDS
Last month I told all of you programmers that Microsoft has posted the April
2003 MSDN CDs, and you can get all three of them free for the downloading.
Those CDs include an enormous amount of information on Visual Studio 2003 -
it's the required reference for those of you willing to make the leap from
VBA to VB (or C) .NET.

The CD images are at:

http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-56619af
95835/qtr40enud1.img

http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-56619af
95835/qtr40enud2.img

http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-56619af
95835/qtr40enud3.img

One teensy-tiny problem. The CDs are in ISO image format - so-called .IMG
files - and you may have problems burning those files to a CD.

WOWser TP writes: "To get the files to CD you need a program like "undisker"
found at http://www.undisker.com. This software will open and view the
contents much like standard Zip file software and write the contents to the
CD drive. I only used the time limited shareware version of "undisker" but
the software worked very well and I am considering the purchase of the full
version.

One thing you will need to know is the Volume label that needs to be on the
CD. I am pretty sure that it is the name of the file without the extension.
Without the correct volume name the CD's will not load."


from WOW 8.19:

7. BURNING .IMG CDS
Last week I told you about WOWser TP's travails trying to get the downloaded
April 2003 MSDN CD images burned to CD. He used Undisker, and it worked
fine.

WOWser IW notes that he was able to burn the MSDN CDs by simply changing the
file name extension from .IMG to .ISO, and then using Nero (on a Windows
2000 machine). WOWser RC did the same thing and had no problem with Windows
XP's native file burner.


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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Fri May 30 07:29:28 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 08:29:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Failure to open database file
In-Reply-To: <000001c32638$7a22a220$0501a8c0@SonyRX660>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKMENPGGAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Ray,

  As Charlotte said, it's a broken reference.  However in some cases, they
may not be listed as "missing" or "broken".  If that is the case, open up
tools/references, check any reference that is not checked, then close the
MDB and Access.  Reopen Access and the MDB and uncheck the reference you
just checked.  This forces Access to refresh the reference information.  Do
a compile save all and everything should be OK.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net
  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ray Li
  Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 7:17 PM
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: [AccessD] Failure to open database file


  When I open a database on a pc running Access 97, the following errors
message came out and
  failed in opening.

  Function isn't available in expressions in query expression '........

  The report name 'rptScoreOfAllFactories' you entered is misspelled or
refers
  to a report that isn't open or doesn't exist.

  The program opened correctly in the past but suddenly it happened today.
Same
  program opens correctly on other pcs. Can someone encountered similar
problem before
  share with your fixes to me.

  Thanks,

  Ray
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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Fri May 30 07:40:19 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 08:40:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
References: <00fd01c3269f$0740ab00$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <001f01c326a8$a39a1050$6401a8c0@default>

I did "a Google" on the first and second cds and found them
on an FTP site but the third one could not be found anywhere.

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 7:31 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online


> I guess I wasn't quick enough. They seem to be gone now. I'm getting page
> not found.
>
> Arthur
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Keith L. Kovala
> Sent: May 29, 2003 12:58 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> Must be something between you and MickeySoft..... 2.5MB/Sec here.
>
> Keith Kovala
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:38 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> Thanks for this.  I am downloading now.
>
> For some odd reason I am only getting about 180 kbytes / sec today!  This
> could take awhile.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:25 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> I saw this in Woody's Office Watch and I thought some of you might be
> interested...
>
> from WOW 8.18:
>
> 6. BURNING MSDN CDS
> Last month I told all of you programmers that Microsoft has posted the
April
> 2003 MSDN CDs, and you can get all three of them free for the downloading.
> Those CDs include an enormous amount of information on Visual Studio
2003 -
> it's the required reference for those of you willing to make the leap from
> VBA to VB (or C) .NET.
>
> The CD images are at:
>
>
http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-56619af
> 95835/qtr40enud1.img
>
>
http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-56619af
> 95835/qtr40enud2.img
>
>
http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-56619af
> 95835/qtr40enud3.img
>
> One teensy-tiny problem. The CDs are in ISO image format - so-called .IMG
> files - and you may have problems burning those files to a CD.
>
> WOWser TP writes: "To get the files to CD you need a program like
"undisker"
> found at http://www.undisker.com. This software will open and view the
> contents much like standard Zip file software and write the contents to
the
> CD drive. I only used the time limited shareware version of "undisker" but
> the software worked very well and I am considering the purchase of the
full
> version.
>
> One thing you will need to know is the Volume label that needs to be on
the
> CD. I am pretty sure that it is the name of the file without the
extension.
> Without the correct volume name the CD's will not load."
>
>
> from WOW 8.19:
>
> 7. BURNING .IMG CDS
> Last week I told you about WOWser TP's travails trying to get the
downloaded
> April 2003 MSDN CD images burned to CD. He used Undisker, and it worked
> fine.
>
> WOWser IW notes that he was able to burn the MSDN CDs by simply changing
the
> file name extension from .IMG to .ISO, and then using Nero (on a Windows
> 2000 machine). WOWser RC did the same thing and had no problem with
Windows
> XP's native file burner.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Fri May 30 07:42:43 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 07:42:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Form Questions
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F87852@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Jamie,

1.  I presume the form is bound, since what you describe is how bound
forms behave.  If you want it to show blank fields until you select a
record, then you can unbind the form and do the record fetching
yourself.

2.  To get a form to show new data you need to refresh the form or
requery the form's datasource.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Jamie Kriegel [mailto:jamie at kriegelpcsolutions.com] 
Sent: Thursday 2003 May 29 21:51
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Form Questions

Hi there,

I have 2 questions and I was hoping one of you generous and intelligent
people could help me.

1.  In a form I have a combo box that I use to as a lookup.  For
example, my form holds customer information and I use the combo box to
choose a paticular customer.  When I choose this customer, it is his/her
information that I see in the form.  How do I get this combo to default
to a blank? Right now it shows the name of my previous search in the on
screen control which can be confusing.  I want it to remain blank until
I choose a customer from the list.

2.   I have a form with 2 subforms.  The main form is customer
information,
subform 1 is insurance policies that customer holds, and subform 2 is
any dependents that customer may have on a particular policy.  When I
add a new policy for a customer (subform 1), I have to go to a different
record and back before Access will allow me to enter data on subform 2
(dependents on that policy).

Any ideas would be wonderful!  Thank you,

Jamie

From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Fri May 30 07:47:00 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 08:47:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
In-Reply-To: <001f01c326a8$a39a1050$6401a8c0@default>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKCEOBGGAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

You guys should just get a MSDN subscription.  If you do a little shopping
around, a universal subscription can be gotten for $800 - $900.  And yes,
it's legit and not an academic subscription.

  By getting that and a Action Pack subscription, I have access to just
about everything that Microsoft makes.  The only thing excluded is some of
the higher end Enterprise stuff, which I don't get into.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
Mattys
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 8:40 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MSDN cds online


I did "a Google" on the first and second cds and found them
on an FTP site but the third one could not be found anywhere.

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 7:31 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online


> I guess I wasn't quick enough. They seem to be gone now. I'm getting page
> not found.
>
> Arthur
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Keith L. Kovala
> Sent: May 29, 2003 12:58 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> Must be something between you and MickeySoft..... 2.5MB/Sec here.
>
> Keith Kovala
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:38 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> Thanks for this.  I am downloading now.
>
> For some odd reason I am only getting about 180 kbytes / sec today!  This
> could take awhile.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:25 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> I saw this in Woody's Office Watch and I thought some of you might be
> interested...
>
> from WOW 8.18:
>
> 6. BURNING MSDN CDS
> Last month I told all of you programmers that Microsoft has posted the
April
> 2003 MSDN CDs, and you can get all three of them free for the downloading.
> Those CDs include an enormous amount of information on Visual Studio
2003 -
> it's the required reference for those of you willing to make the leap from
> VBA to VB (or C) .NET.
>
> The CD images are at:
>
>
http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-56619af
> 95835/qtr40enud1.img
>
>
http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-56619af
> 95835/qtr40enud2.img
>
>
http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-56619af
> 95835/qtr40enud3.img
>
> One teensy-tiny problem. The CDs are in ISO image format - so-called .IMG
> files - and you may have problems burning those files to a CD.
>
> WOWser TP writes: "To get the files to CD you need a program like
"undisker"
> found at http://www.undisker.com. This software will open and view the
> contents much like standard Zip file software and write the contents to
the
> CD drive. I only used the time limited shareware version of "undisker" but
> the software worked very well and I am considering the purchase of the
full
> version.
>
> One thing you will need to know is the Volume label that needs to be on
the
> CD. I am pretty sure that it is the name of the file without the
extension.
> Without the correct volume name the CD's will not load."
>
>
> from WOW 8.19:
>
> 7. BURNING .IMG CDS
> Last week I told you about WOWser TP's travails trying to get the
downloaded
> April 2003 MSDN CD images burned to CD. He used Undisker, and it worked
> fine.
>
> WOWser IW notes that he was able to burn the MSDN CDs by simply changing
the
> file name extension from .IMG to .ISO, and then using Nero (on a Windows
> 2000 machine). WOWser RC did the same thing and had no problem with
Windows
> XP's native file burner.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From michael.mattys at adelphia.net  Fri May 30 07:40:19 2003
From: michael.mattys at adelphia.net (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 08:40:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
References: <00fd01c3269f$0740ab00$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <002001c326aa$76c7fea0$6401a8c0@default>

I did "a Google" on the first and second cds and found them
on an FTP site but the third one could not be found anywhere.

Michael R. Mattys
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 7:31 AM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online


> I guess I wasn't quick enough. They seem to be gone now. I'm getting page
> not found.
>
> Arthur
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Keith L. Kovala
> Sent: May 29, 2003 12:58 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> Must be something between you and MickeySoft..... 2.5MB/Sec here.
>
> Keith Kovala
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:38 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> Thanks for this.  I am downloading now.
>
> For some odd reason I am only getting about 180 kbytes / sec today!  This
> could take awhile.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:25 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> I saw this in Woody's Office Watch and I thought some of you might be
> interested...
>
> from WOW 8.18:
>
> 6. BURNING MSDN CDS
> Last month I told all of you programmers that Microsoft has posted the
April
> 2003 MSDN CDs, and you can get all three of them free for the downloading.
> Those CDs include an enormous amount of information on Visual Studio
2003 -
> it's the required reference for those of you willing to make the leap from
> VBA to VB (or C) .NET.
>
> The CD images are at:
>
>
http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-56619af
> 95835/qtr40enud1.img
>
>
http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-56619af
> 95835/qtr40enud2.img
>
>
http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-56619af
> 95835/qtr40enud3.img
>
> One teensy-tiny problem. The CDs are in ISO image format - so-called .IMG
> files - and you may have problems burning those files to a CD.
>
> WOWser TP writes: "To get the files to CD you need a program like
"undisker"
> found at http://www.undisker.com. This software will open and view the
> contents much like standard Zip file software and write the contents to
the
> CD drive. I only used the time limited shareware version of "undisker" but
> the software worked very well and I am considering the purchase of the
full
> version.
>
> One thing you will need to know is the Volume label that needs to be on
the
> CD. I am pretty sure that it is the name of the file without the
extension.
> Without the correct volume name the CD's will not load."
>
>
> from WOW 8.19:
>
> 7. BURNING .IMG CDS
> Last week I told you about WOWser TP's travails trying to get the
downloaded
> April 2003 MSDN CD images burned to CD. He used Undisker, and it worked
> fine.
>
> WOWser IW notes that he was able to burn the MSDN CDs by simply changing
the
> file name extension from .IMG to .ISO, and then using Nero (on a Windows
> 2000 machine). WOWser RC did the same thing and had no problem with
Windows
> XP's native file burner.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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>
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From weeden1949 at hotmail.com  Fri May 30 08:23:37 2003
From: weeden1949 at hotmail.com (Greg S)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 08:23:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited
References: <BFBC9BAC6169D411890000508BAE2C53031207E1@acsexch4.corp.acsalaska.com>
Message-ID: <BAY8-DAV1940aq1a6BY0000a323@hotmail.com>

Mark:

I'm using WinXP Pro, and have not had any shortcut issues using the standard
setup.  The specs in the properties box for the shortcut are as follows:

Target Type:    Application
Target location:    Office
Target:    "C:\Program Files\MSOffice97\Office\MSACCESS.EXE" /wrkgrp
"C:\Documents and Settings\gsmith\My     Documents\Access\Bhc
Recorder\Mdws\RecAdmin010903.mdw" {watch for line wrap...}
Start In:    "C:\Program Files\MSOffice97\Office"
Shortcut Key:  None
Run:    Normal window

These work for me and have worked on both local and network drives.  Mapped
drives did not have an issue either until the operator would inadvertantly
(maybe...) remove the mapping...

UNC would also work if put in the parens.

Hope this helps!!

Greg Smith
Programmer


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Porter, Mark" <MPorter at acsalaska.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:47 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited


Good point, I've noticed the 'fixit' behavior with WinXP pro shortcuts also.

But this shortcut was built on the machine itself (WinXP with a UNC
workgroup filepath, double-quotes around each filepath like "<msaccess.exe>"
/wrkgrp "<.mdw with UNC pathing>" ".mdb file path")

I've also cleared the 'Start In' box to avoid it starting in the wrong
place.

I'm stumped.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 2:43 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited


Um, complete shot in the dark, but since W2k, Shortcuts have more internal
information then you think.  For instance, if you have a shortcut pointing
to something.exe on your root C: drive.  Then one day you move that .exe to
another drive or folder, W2k and up will actually 'fix' your shortcut for
you.  (It's a service, so it may be turned off or on, it can even be setup
to be LAN wide).

One bad effect that myself and my co-network admin has noticed, is that you
can have problems trying to copy a network shortcut from one machine to the
next, because the shortcut is actually a shortcut to a internal reference on
your local machine, that points to the network resource, so copying the
shortcut elsewhere is giving them a shortcut to your local internal
reference/shortcut, which they may not be able to access, in fact, it will
usually try to access the same file/folder location on your local machine.
To fix this, we just made new shortcuts from scratch.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:12 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited



Thanks for the responses, which fixed a lot of the issue.

However, on a WinXP Pro machine I'm getting an error on the /wrkgrp switch.
it is looking for the *.mdw filepath by starting in the local documents and
settings, instead of using the UNC path.

Has anyone seen/fixed this behavior?

Thanks,

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:11 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch


After the responses all had the msaccess.exe executible path I recalled that
it was required with the other times that I've implemented it.

I never did know why though.  Thanks for clearing it up.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch


Charles answered your question, but the reason it isn't working is
because *all* command line arguments are ignored if you do not include
the full path and filename to the Access executable in your shortcut.
Since /WRKGRP is a command line argument, it gets ignored when you only
include the database path and the workgroup and leave out the Access
executable.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 4:39 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch



I have a secured Access 2000 file format database and want to use the
/wrkgrp command line switch in a shortcut to associate with the
workgroup on startup.  This command switch is not working
( F:\sis\CCA_App.mdb /WRKGRP "F:\sis\CCA_Workgroup.mdw" )

the user accesses the correct file but under the system.mdw workgroup.

I've verified that the file locations and the spelling are all correct.
Any ideas?

Thanks,

Mark


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From jbhuffman at mdh.org  Fri May 30 08:29:56 2003
From: jbhuffman at mdh.org (Huffman, Jarad B.)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 08:29:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited
Message-ID: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B4801935761@NEWMAN_EXC>

I believe the /wrkgrp switch and parameter have to be at the end of the
command line.  If you have it before your mdb filepath, it might cause some
trouble.

Jarad Huffman

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:47 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited


Good point, I've noticed the 'fixit' behavior with WinXP pro shortcuts also.

But this shortcut was built on the machine itself (WinXP with a UNC
workgroup filepath, double-quotes around each filepath like "<msaccess.exe>"
/wrkgrp "<.mdw with UNC pathing>" ".mdb file path")

I've also cleared the 'Start In' box to avoid it starting in the wrong
place.

I'm stumped.

Mark

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From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 2:43 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited


Um, complete shot in the dark, but since W2k, Shortcuts have more internal
information then you think.  For instance, if you have a shortcut pointing
to something.exe on your root C: drive.  Then one day you move that .exe to
another drive or folder, W2k and up will actually 'fix' your shortcut for
you.  (It's a service, so it may be turned off or on, it can even be setup
to be LAN wide).

One bad effect that myself and my co-network admin has noticed, is that you
can have problems trying to copy a network shortcut from one machine to the
next, because the shortcut is actually a shortcut to a internal reference on
your local machine, that points to the network resource, so copying the
shortcut elsewhere is giving them a shortcut to your local internal
reference/shortcut, which they may not be able to access, in fact, it will
usually try to access the same file/folder location on your local machine.
To fix this, we just made new shortcuts from scratch.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:12 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited



Thanks for the responses, which fixed a lot of the issue.  

However, on a WinXP Pro machine I'm getting an error on the /wrkgrp switch.
it is looking for the *.mdw filepath by starting in the local documents and
settings, instead of using the UNC path.

Has anyone seen/fixed this behavior?

Thanks,

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:11 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch


After the responses all had the msaccess.exe executible path I recalled that
it was required with the other times that I've implemented it.

I never did know why though.  Thanks for clearing it up.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch


Charles answered your question, but the reason it isn't working is because
*all* command line arguments are ignored if you do not include the full path
and filename to the Access executable in your shortcut. Since /WRKGRP is a
command line argument, it gets ignored when you only include the database
path and the workgroup and leave out the Access executable.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 4:39 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch



I have a secured Access 2000 file format database and want to use the
/wrkgrp command line switch in a shortcut to associate with the workgroup on
startup.  This command switch is not working 
( F:\sis\CCA_App.mdb /WRKGRP "F:\sis\CCA_Workgroup.mdw" )

the user accesses the correct file but under the system.mdw workgroup.  

I've verified that the file locations and the spelling are all correct. Any
ideas?

Thanks,

Mark


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From papparuff at attbi.com  Fri May 30 08:32:08 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 06:32:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
In-Reply-To: <00fd01c3269f$0740ab00$8e01a8c0@Rock>
Message-ID: <001901c326af$de76b640$6401a8c0@papparuff>

They are still there Arthur.  I don't know why, maybe there is a limit
of how many downloads can be accomplished at the same time, but I got
the same "Page not found" on numerous occasions.  I just kept going to
the url and it finally let me download.


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Always Looking For Contract Opportunities

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                and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 4:32 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online


I guess I wasn't quick enough. They seem to be gone now. I'm getting
page not found.

Arthur

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Keith L.
Kovala
Sent: May 29, 2003 12:58 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online


Must be something between you and MickeySoft..... 2.5MB/Sec here.

Keith Kovala

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:38 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online


Thanks for this.  I am downloading now.

For some odd reason I am only getting about 180 kbytes / sec today!
This could take awhile.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:25 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online


I saw this in Woody's Office Watch and I thought some of you might be
interested...

from WOW 8.18:

6. BURNING MSDN CDS
Last month I told all of you programmers that Microsoft has posted the
April 2003 MSDN CDs, and you can get all three of them free for the
downloading. Those CDs include an enormous amount of information on
Visual Studio 2003 - it's the required reference for those of you
willing to make the leap from VBA to VB (or C) .NET.

The CD images are at:

http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-566
19af
95835/qtr40enud1.img

http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-566
19af
95835/qtr40enud2.img

http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-566
19af
95835/qtr40enud3.img

One teensy-tiny problem. The CDs are in ISO image format - so-called
.IMG files - and you may have problems burning those files to a CD.

WOWser TP writes: "To get the files to CD you need a program like
"undisker" found at http://www.undisker.com. This software will open and
view the contents much like standard Zip file software and write the
contents to the CD drive. I only used the time limited shareware version
of "undisker" but the software worked very well and I am considering the
purchase of the full version.

One thing you will need to know is the Volume label that needs to be on
the CD. I am pretty sure that it is the name of the file without the
extension. Without the correct volume name the CD's will not load."


from WOW 8.19:

7. BURNING .IMG CDS
Last week I told you about WOWser TP's travails trying to get the
downloaded April 2003 MSDN CD images burned to CD. He used Undisker, and
it worked fine.

WOWser IW notes that he was able to burn the MSDN CDs by simply changing
the file name extension from .IMG to .ISO, and then using Nero (on a
Windows 2000 machine). WOWser RC did the same thing and had no problem
with Windows XP's native file burner.


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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Fri May 30 08:45:16 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 14:45:16 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
References: <001901c326af$de76b640$6401a8c0@papparuff>
Message-ID: <001601c326b1$b402b8d0$9111758f@aine>

Still there. Am downling them in the office at this moment

Martin




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To: "accessd" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 2:32 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online


> They are still there Arthur.  I don't know why, maybe there is a limit
> of how many downloads can be accomplished at the same time, but I got
> the same "Page not found" on numerous occasions.  I just kept going to
> the url and it finally let me download.
> 
> 
> John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)
> Always Looking For Contract Opportunities
> 
> Home: 253.588.2139
> Cell: 253.307.2947
> 9306 Farwest Dr SW
> Lakewood, WA 98498
> 
> "Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
>                 and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 4:32 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
> 
> 
> I guess I wasn't quick enough. They seem to be gone now. I'm getting
> page not found.
> 
> Arthur
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Keith L.
> Kovala
> Sent: May 29, 2003 12:58 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
> 
> 
> Must be something between you and MickeySoft..... 2.5MB/Sec here.
> 
> Keith Kovala
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:38 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
> 
> 
> Thanks for this.  I am downloading now.
> 
> For some odd reason I am only getting about 180 kbytes / sec today!
> This could take awhile.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:25 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
> 
> 
> I saw this in Woody's Office Watch and I thought some of you might be
> interested...
> 
> from WOW 8.18:
> 
> 6. BURNING MSDN CDS
> Last month I told all of you programmers that Microsoft has posted the
> April 2003 MSDN CDs, and you can get all three of them free for the
> downloading. Those CDs include an enormous amount of information on
> Visual Studio 2003 - it's the required reference for those of you
> willing to make the leap from VBA to VB (or C) .NET.
> 
> The CD images are at:
> 
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-566
> 19af
> 95835/qtr40enud1.img
> 
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-566
> 19af
> 95835/qtr40enud2.img
> 
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-8045-566
> 19af
> 95835/qtr40enud3.img
> 
> One teensy-tiny problem. The CDs are in ISO image format - so-called
> .IMG files - and you may have problems burning those files to a CD.
> 
> WOWser TP writes: "To get the files to CD you need a program like
> "undisker" found at http://www.undisker.com. This software will open and
> view the contents much like standard Zip file software and write the
> contents to the CD drive. I only used the time limited shareware version
> of "undisker" but the software worked very well and I am considering the
> purchase of the full version.
> 
> One thing you will need to know is the Volume label that needs to be on
> the CD. I am pretty sure that it is the name of the file without the
> extension. Without the correct volume name the CD's will not load."
> 
> 
> from WOW 8.19:
> 
> 7. BURNING .IMG CDS
> Last week I told you about WOWser TP's travails trying to get the
> downloaded April 2003 MSDN CD images burned to CD. He used Undisker, and
> it worked fine.
> 
> WOWser IW notes that he was able to burn the MSDN CDs by simply changing
> the file name extension from .IMG to .ISO, and then using Nero (on a
> Windows 2000 machine). WOWser RC did the same thing and had no problem
> with Windows XP's native file burner.
> 
> 
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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Fri May 30 08:50:01 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 08:50:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F87854@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Jarad,

I am not saying your way is wrong, just that the way I do it has never
failed me.  I cannot recall where I read it, but some knowledgeable
person said to do it in this order:  first the path to the proper
version of MSAccess.exe, second the /wrkgrp switch, third the path to
the proper .mdw file to use, fourth the Access application to open.
Since I started to use this order on all my shortcuts I have not had any
problem with shortcuts through several versions of Access.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Huffman, Jarad B. [mailto:jbhuffman at mdh.org] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 30 08:30
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited

I believe the /wrkgrp switch and parameter have to be at the end of the
command line.  If you have it before your mdb filepath, it might cause
some trouble.

Jarad Huffman

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:47 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited


Good point, I've noticed the 'fixit' behavior with WinXP pro shortcuts
also.

But this shortcut was built on the machine itself (WinXP with a UNC
workgroup filepath, double-quotes around each filepath like
"<msaccess.exe>" /wrkgrp "<.mdw with UNC pathing>" ".mdb file path")

I've also cleared the 'Start In' box to avoid it starting in the wrong
place.

I'm stumped.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 2:43 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited


Um, complete shot in the dark, but since W2k, Shortcuts have more
internal information then you think.  For instance, if you have a
shortcut pointing to something.exe on your root C: drive.  Then one day
you move that .exe to another drive or folder, W2k and up will actually
'fix' your shortcut for you.  (It's a service, so it may be turned off
or on, it can even be setup to be LAN wide).

One bad effect that myself and my co-network admin has noticed, is that
you can have problems trying to copy a network shortcut from one machine
to the next, because the shortcut is actually a shortcut to a internal
reference on your local machine, that points to the network resource, so
copying the shortcut elsewhere is giving them a shortcut to your local
internal reference/shortcut, which they may not be able to access, in
fact, it will usually try to access the same file/folder location on
your local machine. To fix this, we just made new shortcuts from
scratch.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:12 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited



Thanks for the responses, which fixed a lot of the issue.  

However, on a WinXP Pro machine I'm getting an error on the /wrkgrp
switch. it is looking for the *.mdw filepath by starting in the local
documents and settings, instead of using the UNC path.

Has anyone seen/fixed this behavior?

Thanks,

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:11 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch


After the responses all had the msaccess.exe executible path I recalled
that it was required with the other times that I've implemented it.

I never did know why though.  Thanks for clearing it up.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch


Charles answered your question, but the reason it isn't working is
because
*all* command line arguments are ignored if you do not include the full
path and filename to the Access executable in your shortcut. Since
/WRKGRP is a command line argument, it gets ignored when you only
include the database path and the workgroup and leave out the Access
executable.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 4:39 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch



I have a secured Access 2000 file format database and want to use the
/wrkgrp command line switch in a shortcut to associate with the
workgroup on startup.  This command switch is not working 
( F:\sis\CCA_App.mdb /WRKGRP "F:\sis\CCA_Workgroup.mdw" )

the user accesses the correct file but under the system.mdw workgroup.  

I've verified that the file locations and the spelling are all correct.
Any ideas?

Thanks,

Mark

From jbhuffman at mdh.org  Fri May 30 09:00:39 2003
From: jbhuffman at mdh.org (Huffman, Jarad B.)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 09:00:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited
Message-ID: <0FFC98AA5943D211A2E90000F87A5B4801935763@NEWMAN_EXC>

No worries, I thought I had heard that somewhere.  

-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 8:50 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited


Jarad,

I am not saying your way is wrong, just that the way I do it has never
failed me.  I cannot recall where I read it, but some knowledgeable person
said to do it in this order:  first the path to the proper version of
MSAccess.exe, second the /wrkgrp switch, third the path to the proper .mdw
file to use, fourth the Access application to open. Since I started to use
this order on all my shortcuts I have not had any problem with shortcuts
through several versions of Access.

Charles Wortz
Software Development Division
Texas Education Agency
1701 N. Congress Ave
Austin, TX 78701-1494
512-463-9493
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us



-----Original Message-----
From: Huffman, Jarad B. [mailto:jbhuffman at mdh.org] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 30 08:30
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited

I believe the /wrkgrp switch and parameter have to be at the end of the
command line.  If you have it before your mdb filepath, it might cause some
trouble.

Jarad Huffman

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:47 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited


Good point, I've noticed the 'fixit' behavior with WinXP pro shortcuts also.

But this shortcut was built on the machine itself (WinXP with a UNC
workgroup filepath, double-quotes around each filepath like "<msaccess.exe>"
/wrkgrp "<.mdw with UNC pathing>" ".mdb file path")

I've also cleared the 'Start In' box to avoid it starting in the wrong
place.

I'm stumped.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Wutka [mailto:DWUTKA at marlow.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 2:43 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited


Um, complete shot in the dark, but since W2k, Shortcuts have more internal
information then you think.  For instance, if you have a shortcut pointing
to something.exe on your root C: drive.  Then one day you move that .exe to
another drive or folder, W2k and up will actually 'fix' your shortcut for
you.  (It's a service, so it may be turned off or on, it can even be setup
to be LAN wide).

One bad effect that myself and my co-network admin has noticed, is that you
can have problems trying to copy a network shortcut from one machine to the
next, because the shortcut is actually a shortcut to a internal reference on
your local machine, that points to the network resource, so copying the
shortcut elsewhere is giving them a shortcut to your local internal
reference/shortcut, which they may not be able to access, in fact, it will
usually try to access the same file/folder location on your local machine.
To fix this, we just made new shortcuts from scratch.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:12 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch - revisited



Thanks for the responses, which fixed a lot of the issue.  

However, on a WinXP Pro machine I'm getting an error on the /wrkgrp switch.
it is looking for the *.mdw filepath by starting in the local documents and
settings, instead of using the UNC path.

Has anyone seen/fixed this behavior?

Thanks,

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:11 AM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch


After the responses all had the msaccess.exe executible path I recalled that
it was required with the other times that I've implemented it.

I never did know why though.  Thanks for clearing it up.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch


Charles answered your question, but the reason it isn't working is because
*all* command line arguments are ignored if you do not include the full path
and filename to the Access executable in your shortcut. Since /WRKGRP is a
command line argument, it gets ignored when you only include the database
path and the workgroup and leave out the Access executable.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: Porter, Mark [mailto:MPorter at acsalaska.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 4:39 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com'
Subject: [AccessD] Command Line WRKGRP switch



I have a secured Access 2000 file format database and want to use the
/wrkgrp command line switch in a shortcut to associate with the workgroup on
startup.  This command switch is not working 
( F:\sis\CCA_App.mdb /WRKGRP "F:\sis\CCA_Workgroup.mdw" )

the user accesses the correct file but under the system.mdw workgroup.  

I've verified that the file locations and the spelling are all correct. Any
ideas?

Thanks,

Mark
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From Tim.Pain at sc.akzonobel.com  Fri May 30 09:08:17 2003
From: Tim.Pain at sc.akzonobel.com (Pain, T. (Tim))
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 15:08:17 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Table design
Message-ID: <0BB2DFBAEF484F4AA077B46F1B165FE6367D8E@lbrn12.d20.intra>

I currently have the following <snipped> table designs -

Products:
Product		Christmas	Easter	AllYear	Major
Corporate
Product 1		True		False		True
False		True
Product 2		False		False		True
True		False
Product 3 		etc'

OrderType:
OrderType		Christmas	Easter	AllYear	Major
Corporate
Christmas		True		False		False
True		False
Easter		False		True		False		True
False
AllYear		False		False		True		True
False
Corporate		True		True		True
True		True
Major			False		False		False
True		False

In Order Entry, the user selects an "OrderType" in the header and I then
need to check for each line item, if this product is allowed for this
"OrderType".

Now this works, but does require quite a bit of code to test each
variation, but more important, it also makes maintenance a pain. If I
now need to add a new OrderType, I have to add a record to the OrderType
table (no problem with this), but also add a column to the Products
table and then re-work the code to check the order line items.

There has to be a more elegant and easier to maintain way of doing this,
but I can't see it.
Any ideas please?

Many thanks
Tim 



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From CWortz at tea.state.tx.us  Fri May 30 09:24:12 2003
From: CWortz at tea.state.tx.us (Wortz, Charles)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 09:24:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Table design
Message-ID: <D859A1A91D36184C8C28B77BF899C08609F35893@ladybird.tea.state.tx.us>

Tim,

This is not the easiest way to implement a Many-to-Many relationship.
The easiest way is to use three tables:  one for Products, one for
OrderTypes, and a linking table to show what Products can go with what
OrderTypes.


Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
-----Original Message-----
From: Pain, T. (Tim) [mailto:Tim.Pain at sc.akzonobel.com] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 30 09:08
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Table design

I currently have the following <snipped> table designs - 
Products: 
Product         Christmas       Easter  AllYear Major
Corporate 
Product 1               True            False           True
False           True 
Product 2               False           False           True
True            False 
Product 3               etc' 
OrderType: 
OrderType               Christmas       Easter  AllYear Major
Corporate 
Christmas               True            False           False
True            False 
Easter          False           True            False           True
False 
AllYear         False           False           True            True
False 
Corporate               True            True            True
True            True 
Major                   False           False           False
True            False 
In Order Entry, the user selects an "OrderType" in the header and I then
need to check for each line item, if this product is allowed for this
"OrderType".
Now this works, but does require quite a bit of code to test each
variation, but more important, it also makes maintenance a pain. If I
now need to add a new OrderType, I have to add a record to the OrderType
table (no problem with this), but also add a column to the Products
table and then re-work the code to check the order line items.
There has to be a more elegant and easier to maintain way of doing this,
but I can't see it. 
Any ideas please? 
Many thanks 
Tim 

From martyconnelly at shaw.ca  Fri May 30 09:24:53 2003
From: martyconnelly at shaw.ca (MartyConnelly)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 07:24:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Saving Query From VB6 into Access
References: <20030530081945.HFII4720.fep07-svc.ttys.com@localhost>
Message-ID: <3ED769B5.10102@shaw.ca>

Not sure this can done from VB, you can do it from Access with 
application.LoadAsText or
application.SaveAsText.  However if you did manage to move the SQL into 
an Access Query, how do you compile it from within VB.

paul.hartland at fsmail.net wrote:

>To all,
>
>I'm sure I have either done this before or have heard it can be done.  I have a Visual Basic 6 front-end which links to an Access back-end, what I want to do is build a SQL select statement on the fly in VB6 (I have got this far), and then I need to save it as a query into the Access database.
>
>Anyone have any ideas on how I go about this.....
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Paul 
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From harkins at iglou.com  Fri May 30 09:31:56 2003
From: harkins at iglou.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 10:31:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Table design
References: <0BB2DFBAEF484F4AA077B46F1B165FE6367D8E@lbrn12.d20.intra>
Message-ID: <00cb01c326b8$5d31ab40$e9ecffcc@SusanOne>

Table designYou might consider renormalizing your data into two tables, although I'm not sure the second table's really necessary -- would need more info to decide:

Product    OrderType
Product1    Christmas
Product1    AllYear
Product1    Corporate

and so on... 

Whether a second table that lists just the order types is really necessary or not really depends on you and how much you're using that list. 

Susan H. 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Pain, T. (Tim) 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 10:08 AM
  Subject: [AccessD] Table design


  I currently have the following <snipped> table designs - 

  Products: 
  Product         Christmas       Easter  AllYear Major           Corporate 
  Product 1               True            False           True            False           True 
  Product 2               False           False           True            True            False 
  Product 3               etc' 

  OrderType: 
  OrderType               Christmas       Easter  AllYear Major           Corporate 
  Christmas               True            False           False           True            False 
  Easter          False           True            False           True            False 
  AllYear         False           False           True            True            False 
  Corporate               True            True            True            True            True 
  Major                   False           False           False           True            False 

  In Order Entry, the user selects an "OrderType" in the header and I then need to check for each line item, if this product is allowed for this "OrderType".

  Now this works, but does require quite a bit of code to test each variation, but more important, it also makes maintenance a pain. If I now need to add a new OrderType, I have to add a record to the OrderType table (no problem with this), but also add a column to the Products table and then re-work the code to check the order line items.

  There has to be a more elegant and easier to maintain way of doing this, but I can't see it. 
  Any ideas please? 

  Many thanks 
  Tim 






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From d.dick at uws.edu.au  Fri May 30 09:40:18 2003
From: d.dick at uws.edu.au (Darren DICK)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 00:40:18 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Form Questions
References: <OPEIKJLOKOBFPLBDBHPKCEPIDFAA.jamie@kriegelpcsolutions.com>
Message-ID: <004c01c326b9$64e26630$39669a89@DDICK>

Jamie
RE Q1...small example db sent offline
RE Q2...Just  like Charles said start refreshing your second sub
Something like
Assume sub 2 is called MySubForm2
sub 1 is called MySubForm1
Parent Form is called MyHostForm
eg...
after your code on MySubForm1 does what  you want...
Forms!MyHostForm!MySubForm2.form.refresh


Darren


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jamie Kriegel" <jamie at kriegelpcsolutions.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 12:50 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Form Questions


> Hi there,
> 
> I have 2 questions and I was hoping one of you generous and intelligent
> people could help me.
> 
> 1.  In a form I have a combo box that I use to as a lookup.  For example, my
> form holds customer information and I use the combo box to choose a
> paticular customer.  When I choose this customer, it is his/her information
> that I see in the form.  How do I get this combo to default to a blank?
> Right now it shows the name of my previous search in the on screen control
> which can be confusing.  I want it to remain blank until I choose a customer
> from the list.
> 
> 2.   I have a form with 2 subforms.  The main form is customer information,
> subform 1 is insurance policies that customer holds, and subform 2 is any
> dependents that customer may have on a particular policy.  When I add a new
> policy for a customer (subform 1), I have to go to a different record and
> back before Access will allow me to enter data on subform 2 (dependents on
> that policy).
> 
> Any ideas would be wonderful!  Thank you,
> 
> Jamie
> 
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From delliker at hotmail.com  Fri May 30 09:46:22 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 10:46:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Failure to open database file
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May 30 09:58:08 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 07:58:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Query reference to screen control
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA8632C351@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Actually, what I encountered had nothing to do with the form being open.
In earlier versions, the query engine understood the syntax without
square brackets around things like Column(0), but in AXP, any missing
brackets will cause it to put a pair of square brackets around the whole
parameter, rendering it completely useless even with the form open.
 
I don't much like using form references as parameters or criteria, but
our applications make extensive use of them that way in report
selection.  
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Arthur Fuller [mailto:artful at rogers.com] 
	Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 3:23 AM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] Query reference to screen control
	
	
	That's an additional reason why I dislike going that route. The
query then becomes useless in the absence of said form being open.
Static functions are IMO a much better way to go.
	 
	Just my $.02,
	Arthur

	-----Original Message-----
	From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
	Sent: May 29, 2003 11:00 AM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] Query reference to screen control
	
	

		Parameters referring to form controls work just fine.
Only make sure you put in the square brackets around each part of the
parameter yourself.  Otherwise, when/if you convert to 2002, you can run
into problems when the query engine kindly inserts its own brackets
around the whole blasted parameter.  Hello?  This is the voice of
experience speaking ...
		 
		Charlotte Foust

			-----Original Message-----
			From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
			Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:16 AM
			To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
			Subject: Re: [AccessD] Query reference to screen
control
			
			

			Hmmmm, that's a twist. Does it then not pop up
the parameter dialog because I would be referring to the screen
control?...I will give it a go, and thanks Gustav.
			_d
			




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			>From: Gustav Brock 
			>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
			>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
			>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Query reference to
screen control 
			>Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 12:53:47 +0200 
			> 
			>Hi Don 
			> 
			>Try specifying in the query
[forms]![frmtestcases]![cmbproject] as a 
			>parameter. 
			> 
			>/gustav 
			> 
			> >I have this odd occurrance in A2K. I have a
combo that has criteria 
			> >referencing two screen controls, like this 
			> >[forms]![frmtestcases]![cmbproject]. Many
times (but not always) it 
			> >returns nothing when I click it. Then if I go
into the grid for the 
			> >underlying query and make it 
			> >=[forms]![frmtestcases]![cmbproject] it
works, however it does not keep 
			> >the equal sign, it discards it - works for a
while then craps out. What 
			> >gives?? Just another wierd Accessism? 
			> 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May 30 09:59:27 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 07:59:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Failure to open database file
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312000@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I believe Jim meant that you should check any ONE of the unchecked
references, not all of them. <VBG>
 
Charlotte Foust

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com] 
	Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 6:46 AM
	To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
	Subject: RE: [AccessD] Failure to open database file
	
	

	Is it really necessary to check them ALL to do this
'kick-in-the-pants" reference repair ? Won't adding a couple do the
trick, supposing that the needed refs are there in the first place, of
course.
	_D

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them." 
	
	>From: "Jim Dettman" 
	>Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
	>To: 
	>Subject: RE: [AccessD] Failure to open database file 
	>Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 08:29:28 -0400 
	> 
	>Ray, 
	> 
	> As Charlotte said, it's a broken reference. However in some
cases, they 
	>may not be listed as "missing" or "broken". If that is the
case, open up 
	>tools/references, check any reference that is not checked, then
close the 
	>MDB and Access. Reopen Access and the MDB and uncheck the
reference you 
	>just checked. This forces Access to refresh the reference
information. Do 
	>a compile save all and everything should be OK. 
	> 
	>Jim Dettman 
	>President, 
	>Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc. 
	>(315) 699-3443 
	>jimdettman at earthlink.net 
	> -----Original Message----- 
	> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
	>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ray
Li 
	> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 7:17 PM 
	> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
	> Subject: [AccessD] Failure to open database file 
	> 
	> 
	> When I open a database on a pc running Access 97, the
following errors 
	>message came out and 
	> failed in opening. 
	> 
	> Function isn't available in expressions in query expression
'........ 
	> 
	> The report name 'rptScoreOfAllFactories' you entered is
misspelled or 
	>refers 
	> to a report that isn't open or doesn't exist. 
	> 
	> The program opened correctly in the past but suddenly it
happened today. 
	>Same 
	> program opens correctly on other pcs. Can someone encountered
similar 
	>problem before 
	> share with your fixes to me. 
	> 
	> Thanks, 
	> 
	> Ray 
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From Tim.Pain at sc.akzonobel.com  Fri May 30 09:59:42 2003
From: Tim.Pain at sc.akzonobel.com (Pain, T. (Tim))
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 15:59:42 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Table design
Message-ID: <0BB2DFBAEF484F4AA077B46F1B165FE6367D8F@lbrn12.d20.intra>

Charles,

That's sort of what I figured, but I can't get my head round how the
linking table should be structured. Is this one record for each Product,
OrderType combination, or something else?

Many thanks
Tim


-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: 30 May 2003 15:24
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Table design


Tim,

This is not the easiest way to implement a Many-to-Many relationship.
The easiest way is to use three tables:  one for Products, one for
OrderTypes, and a linking table to show what Products can go with what
OrderTypes.


Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
-----Original Message-----
From: Pain, T. (Tim) [mailto:Tim.Pain at sc.akzonobel.com] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 30 09:08
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Table design

I currently have the following <snipped> table designs - 
Products: 
Product         Christmas       Easter  AllYear Major
Corporate 
Product 1               True            False           True
False           True 
Product 2               False           False           True
True            False 
Product 3               etc' 
OrderType: 
OrderType               Christmas       Easter  AllYear Major
Corporate 
Christmas               True            False           False
True            False 
Easter          False           True            False           True
False 
AllYear         False           False           True            True
False 
Corporate               True            True            True
True            True 
Major                   False           False           False
True            False 
In Order Entry, the user selects an "OrderType" in the header and I then
need to check for each line item, if this product is allowed for this
"OrderType". Now this works, but does require quite a bit of code to
test each variation, but more important, it also makes maintenance a
pain. If I now need to add a new OrderType, I have to add a record to
the OrderType table (no problem with this), but also add a column to the
Products table and then re-work the code to check the order line items.
There has to be a more elegant and easier to maintain way of doing this,
but I can't see it. 
Any ideas please? 
Many thanks 
Tim 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May 30 10:02:24 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 08:02:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Saving Query From VB6 into Access
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312001@infoserver01.infostat.local>

You don't ordinarily save queries in back end databases, but you can add
a query to the catalog (ADOX) or querydef (DAO) object to the Access
database programmatically using the SQL you have created.  Which kind of
connection are you using?  The code differs quite radically between the
two.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net [mailto:paul.hartland at fsmail.net] 
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 12:20 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com; dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Saving Query From VB6 into Access


To all,

I'm sure I have either done this before or have heard it can be done.  I
have a Visual Basic 6 front-end which links to an Access back-end, what
I want to do is build a SQL select statement on the fly in VB6 (I have
got this far), and then I need to save it as a query into the Access
database.

Anyone have any ideas on how I go about this.....

Thanks in advance.

Paul 

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From nkling at co.montgomery.ny.us  Fri May 30 10:04:05 2003
From: nkling at co.montgomery.ny.us (Neal Kling)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 11:04:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Failure to open database file
Message-ID: <0EAA9F4906BA554FA26E6F9F2C5403022BD613@elmo.co.montgomery.ny.us>

Here's what I use to programatically refresh references.  Might be
useful for someone.
 
 
'Returns   : True on successful completion
'Created by: Neal A. Kling
'Created   : 4/29/99 11:19:30 AM
Function RefreshRefs() As Boolean
On Error GoTo Err_RefreshRefs
Dim R As Reference
Dim r1 As Reference
Dim S As String
 
For Each R In Application.References
  If R.Name <> "Access" And R.Name <> "VBA" Then
    Set r1 = R
    Exit For
  End If
Next
S = r1.FullPath
 
References.Remove r1
References.AddFromFile S
 
RefreshRefs = True
Exit_RefreshRefs:
On Error Resume Next
 
Exit Function
 
Err_RefreshRefs:
  Select Case Err
  Case 0    'insert Errors you wish to ignore here
    Resume Next
  Case Else 'All other errors will trap
    Beep
    MsgBox Err.Number & "; " & Err.Description, , "Error in function
basReferenceFunctions.RefreshRefs"
  Resume Exit_RefreshRefs
  End Select
  Resume 0  'FOR TROUBLESHOOTING
End Function

 
Neal Kling
Lotus, isn't that some kind of fancy flower?

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Elliker [mailto:delliker at hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 10:46 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Failure to open database file



Is it really necessary to check them ALL to do this 'kick-in-the-pants"
reference repair ? Won't adding a couple do the trick, supposing that
the needed refs are there in the first place, of course.
_D




From john at winhaven.net  Fri May 30 10:05:31 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 10:05:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPMEKADOAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJIEBOEJAA.john@winhaven.net>

John:
You can send that copy of the CDs to Stuart instead - he's won my pity :o)

I do that with my email too, I'm at 9 minutes and holding :o)

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:30 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> By my calculations - 44 hours / disc.  Assuming that your ISP doesn't hang
> up on you of course.  Dial up ISPs have a nasty habit of doing that.
>
> In fact back when I was afflicted by the dial-up disease, I
> started setting
> my email client to request email every 10 minutes so that they
> wouldn't hang
> up on me.  They set the "no activity then hang-up" time to 6
> minutes.  I set
> my email client get email every 5 minutes.  They set the timeout to 4
> minutes.  I set my email client to get email every 3 minutes.
> They gave up
> and I stayed connected 24/7.
>
> I don't miss dialup, but I still get the email every 3 minutes.
> I just got
> used to it.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.colbyconsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
> McLachlan
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:50 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> I hate you all !!!!!!!!!!!! :-)
>
> How long will it take me at my dialup average of 4KB/Sec?
>



From john at winhaven.net  Fri May 30 10:07:21 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 10:07:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKCEOBGGAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJIEBPEJAA.john@winhaven.net>

OK Jim, where'd you get it that cheap?

Every year for the last 4 years I've been hashing out around $1800 for MSDN
Universal but this year I broke the habit. My disk collection has now
stopped growing at exponential rates ;o)

For $800-900 I would do it again though.

What's an Action Pack and how much is it?

JB



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 7:47 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> You guys should just get a MSDN subscription.  If you do a little shopping
> around, a universal subscription can be gotten for $800 - $900.  And yes,
> it's legit and not an academic subscription.
>
>   By getting that and a Action Pack subscription, I have access to just
> about everything that Microsoft makes.  The only thing excluded is some of
> the higher end Enterprise stuff, which I don't get into.
>
> Jim Dettman
> President,
> Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> (315) 699-3443
> jimdettman at earthlink.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
> Mattys
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 8:40 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> I did "a Google" on the first and second cds and found them
> on an FTP site but the third one could not be found anywhere.
>
> Michael R. Mattys
> www.mattysconsulting.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 7:31 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> > I guess I wasn't quick enough. They seem to be gone now. I'm
> getting page
> > not found.
> >
> > Arthur
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Keith L. Kovala
> > Sent: May 29, 2003 12:58 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
> >
> >
> > Must be something between you and MickeySoft..... 2.5MB/Sec here.
> >
> > Keith Kovala
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:38 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
> >
> >
> > Thanks for this.  I am downloading now.
> >
> > For some odd reason I am only getting about 180 kbytes / sec
> today!  This
> > could take awhile.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Bartow
> > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:25 PM
> > To: AccessD
> > Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
> >
> >
> > I saw this in Woody's Office Watch and I thought some of you might be
> > interested...
> >
> > from WOW 8.18:
> >
> > 6. BURNING MSDN CDS
> > Last month I told all of you programmers that Microsoft has posted the
> April
> > 2003 MSDN CDs, and you can get all three of them free for the
> downloading.
> > Those CDs include an enormous amount of information on Visual Studio
> 2003 -
> > it's the required reference for those of you willing to make
> the leap from
> > VBA to VB (or C) .NET.
> >
> > The CD images are at:
> >
> >
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-80
> 45-56619af
> > 95835/qtr40enud1.img
> >
> >
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-80
> 45-56619af
> > 95835/qtr40enud2.img
> >
> >
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-80
> 45-56619af
> > 95835/qtr40enud3.img
> >
> > One teensy-tiny problem. The CDs are in ISO image format -
> so-called .IMG
> > files - and you may have problems burning those files to a CD.
> >
> > WOWser TP writes: "To get the files to CD you need a program like
> "undisker"
> > found at http://www.undisker.com. This software will open and view the
> > contents much like standard Zip file software and write the contents to
> the
> > CD drive. I only used the time limited shareware version of
> "undisker" but
> > the software worked very well and I am considering the purchase of the
> full
> > version.
> >
> > One thing you will need to know is the Volume label that needs to be on
> the
> > CD. I am pretty sure that it is the name of the file without the
> extension.
> > Without the correct volume name the CD's will not load."
> >
> >
> > from WOW 8.19:
> >
> > 7. BURNING .IMG CDS
> > Last week I told you about WOWser TP's travails trying to get the
> downloaded
> > April 2003 MSDN CD images burned to CD. He used Undisker, and it worked
> > fine.
> >
> > WOWser IW notes that he was able to burn the MSDN CDs by simply changing
> the
> > file name extension from .IMG to .ISO, and then using Nero (on a Windows
> > 2000 machine). WOWser RC did the same thing and had no problem with
> Windows
> > XP's native file burner.
> >
> >
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>



From papparuff at attbi.com  Fri May 30 10:10:15 2003
From: papparuff at attbi.com (John Ruff)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 08:10:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Table design
In-Reply-To: <0BB2DFBAEF484F4AA077B46F1B165FE6367D8F@lbrn12.d20.intra>
Message-ID: <003401c326bd$93244cd0$6401a8c0@papparuff>

Here's a small diagram.

tbl_Product         tblk_ProdType     tbl_Type
|----------|        |--------|        |----------|
|  ProdID  |------->| ProdID |    |---|  TypeID  |
|          |        | TypeID |<---|   |  Desc    |
|----------|        |--------|        |----------|



John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)


"Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
                and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Pain, T.
(Tim)
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 8:00 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Table design


Charles,

That's sort of what I figured, but I can't get my head round how the
linking table should be structured. Is this one record for each Product,
OrderType combination, or something else?

Many thanks
Tim


-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: 30 May 2003 15:24
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Table design


Tim,

This is not the easiest way to implement a Many-to-Many relationship.
The easiest way is to use three tables:  one for Products, one for
OrderTypes, and a linking table to show what Products can go with what
OrderTypes.


Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
-----Original Message-----
From: Pain, T. (Tim) [mailto:Tim.Pain at sc.akzonobel.com] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 30 09:08
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Table design

I currently have the following <snipped> table designs - 
Products: 
Product         Christmas       Easter  AllYear Major
Corporate 
Product 1               True            False           True
False           True 
Product 2               False           False           True
True            False 
Product 3               etc' 
OrderType: 
OrderType               Christmas       Easter  AllYear Major
Corporate 
Christmas               True            False           False
True            False 
Easter          False           True            False           True
False 
AllYear         False           False           True            True
False 
Corporate               True            True            True
True            True 
Major                   False           False           False
True            False 
In Order Entry, the user selects an "OrderType" in the header and I then
need to check for each line item, if this product is allowed for this
"OrderType". Now this works, but does require quite a bit of code to
test each variation, but more important, it also makes maintenance a
pain. If I now need to add a new OrderType, I have to add a record to
the OrderType table (no problem with this), but also add a column to the
Products table and then re-work the code to check the order line items.
There has to be a more elegant and easier to maintain way of doing this,
but I can't see it. 
Any ideas please? 
Many thanks 
Tim 
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From john at winhaven.net  Fri May 30 10:24:18 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 10:24:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] DAO Version
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86311FF9@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIOEOFEHAA.john@winhaven.net>

Charlotte:
Do you have the situation of having multiple versions of Access on the same
machines?

If so do you have any problems with having the different versions of DAO and
JET being on the same machines?

JB


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 4:52 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] DAO Version
>
>
> Jet 3.51
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:33 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] DAO Version
>
>
> Charlotte:
> Just out of curioustiy which version of JET are you using for A97?
>
>
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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Fri May 30 10:31:16 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 11:31:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Failure to open database file
In-Reply-To: <Law12-F26Th6m7LrSzW00026d3f@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKOEOOGGAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Don,

  Funny, I've been more or less stating it that way for years and never
thought anyone would check them all.  NO you you only need to do it with ONE
reference to force the reference cleanup.  Your just trying to get the list
to change.  Just as easily, you could uncheck one reference and then recheck
it.

Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Don Elliker
  Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 10:46 AM
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Subject: RE: [AccessD] Failure to open database file


  Is it really necessary to check them ALL to do this 'kick-in-the-pants"
reference repair ? Won't adding a couple do the trick, supposing that the
needed refs are there in the first place, of course.
  _D

  "Things are only free to the extent that you don't pay for them."
  >From: "Jim Dettman"
  >Reply-To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  >To:
  >Subject: RE: [AccessD] Failure to open database file
  >Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 08:29:28 -0400
  >
  >Ray,
  >
  > As Charlotte said, it's a broken reference. However in some cases, they
  >may not be listed as "missing" or "broken". If that is the case, open up
  >tools/references, check any reference that is not checked, then close the
  >MDB and Access. Reopen Access and the MDB and uncheck the reference you
  >just checked. This forces Access to refresh the reference information. Do
  >a compile save all and everything should be OK.
  >
  >Jim Dettman
  >President,
  >Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
  >(315) 699-3443
  >jimdettman at earthlink.net
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Ray Li
  > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 7:17 PM
  > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
  > Subject: [AccessD] Failure to open database file
  >
  >
  > When I open a database on a pc running Access 97, the following errors
  >message came out and
  > failed in opening.
  >
  > Function isn't available in expressions in query expression '........
  >
  > The report name 'rptScoreOfAllFactories' you entered is misspelled or
  >refers
  > to a report that isn't open or doesn't exist.
  >
  > The program opened correctly in the past but suddenly it happened today.
  >Same
  > program opens correctly on other pcs. Can someone encountered similar
  >problem before
  > share with your fixes to me.
  >
  > Thanks,
  >
  > Ray
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From jamie at kriegelpcsolutions.com  Fri May 30 10:59:37 2003
From: jamie at kriegelpcsolutions.com (Jamie Kriegel)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 10:59:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Form Questions
In-Reply-To: <004c01c326b9$64e26630$39669a89@DDICK>
Message-ID: <OPEIKJLOKOBFPLBDBHPKKECAECAA.jamie@kriegelpcsolutions.com>

>>>>after your code on MySubForm1 does what  you want...
Forms!MyHostForm!MySubForm2.form.refresh

Where do I put this code on SubForm 1?

Thanks,
Jamie

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Darren DICK
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 9:40 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Basic Form Questions


Jamie
RE Q1...small example db sent offline
RE Q2...Just  like Charles said start refreshing your second sub
Something like
Assume sub 2 is called MySubForm2
sub 1 is called MySubForm1
Parent Form is called MyHostForm
eg...
after your code on MySubForm1 does what  you want...
Forms!MyHostForm!MySubForm2.form.refresh


Darren


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jamie Kriegel" <jamie at kriegelpcsolutions.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 12:50 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Form Questions


> Hi there,
>
> I have 2 questions and I was hoping one of you generous and intelligent
> people could help me.
>
> 1.  In a form I have a combo box that I use to as a lookup.  For example,
my
> form holds customer information and I use the combo box to choose a
> paticular customer.  When I choose this customer, it is his/her
information
> that I see in the form.  How do I get this combo to default to a blank?
> Right now it shows the name of my previous search in the on screen control
> which can be confusing.  I want it to remain blank until I choose a
customer
> from the list.
>
> 2.   I have a form with 2 subforms.  The main form is customer
information,
> subform 1 is insurance policies that customer holds, and subform 2 is any
> dependents that customer may have on a particular policy.  When I add a
new
> policy for a customer (subform 1), I have to go to a different record and
> back before Access will allow me to enter data on subform 2 (dependents on
> that policy).
>
> Any ideas would be wonderful!  Thank you,
>
> Jamie
>
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From Tim.Pain at sc.akzonobel.com  Fri May 30 11:05:02 2003
From: Tim.Pain at sc.akzonobel.com (Pain, T. (Tim))
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 17:05:02 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Table design
Message-ID: <0BB2DFBAEF484F4AA077B46F1B165FE66608E8@lbrn12.d20.intra>

Many thanks John, that just what I needed.

Tim


-----Original Message-----
From: John Ruff [mailto:papparuff at attbi.com] 
Sent: 30 May 2003 16:10
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Table design


Here's a small diagram.

tbl_Product         tblk_ProdType     tbl_Type
|----------|        |--------|        |----------|
|  ProdID  |------->| ProdID |    |---|  TypeID  |
|          |        | TypeID |<---|   |  Desc    |
|----------|        |--------|        |----------|



John V. Ruff - The Eternal Optimist :-)


"Commit to the Lord whatever you do,
                and your plans will succeed." Proverbs 16:3



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Pain, T.
(Tim)
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 8:00 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Table design


Charles,

That's sort of what I figured, but I can't get my head round how the
linking table should be structured. Is this one record for each Product,
OrderType combination, or something else?

Many thanks
Tim


-----Original Message-----
From: Wortz, Charles [mailto:CWortz at tea.state.tx.us] 
Sent: 30 May 2003 15:24
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Table design


Tim,

This is not the easiest way to implement a Many-to-Many relationship.
The easiest way is to use three tables:  one for Products, one for
OrderTypes, and a linking table to show what Products can go with what
OrderTypes.


Charles Wortz 
Software Development Division 
Texas Education Agency 
1701 N. Congress Ave 
Austin, TX 78701-1494 
512-463-9493 
CWortz at tea.state.tx.us 
-----Original Message-----
From: Pain, T. (Tim) [mailto:Tim.Pain at sc.akzonobel.com] 
Sent: Friday 2003 May 30 09:08
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Table design

I currently have the following <snipped> table designs - 
Products: 
Product         Christmas       Easter  AllYear Major
Corporate 
Product 1               True            False           True
False           True 
Product 2               False           False           True
True            False 
Product 3               etc' 
OrderType: 
OrderType               Christmas       Easter  AllYear Major
Corporate 
Christmas               True            False           False
True            False 
Easter          False           True            False           True
False 
AllYear         False           False           True            True
False 
Corporate               True            True            True
True            True 
Major                   False           False           False
True            False 
In Order Entry, the user selects an "OrderType" in the header and I then
need to check for each line item, if this product is allowed for this
"OrderType". Now this works, but does require quite a bit of code to
test each variation, but more important, it also makes maintenance a
pain. If I now need to add a new OrderType, I have to add a record to
the OrderType table (no problem with this), but also add a column to the
Products table and then re-work the code to check the order line items.
There has to be a more elegant and easier to maintain way of doing this,
but I can't see it. 
Any ideas please? 
Many thanks 
Tim 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May 30 12:04:49 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 10:04:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] DAO Version
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312002@infoserver01.infostat.local>

Yes and no.  I have A97 and OXP on my work machine, and I have A97, O2k
and AXP on my laptop.  No, I haven't had any problems with Jet and DAO,
only with the vbe6.dll.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 7:24 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] DAO Version


Charlotte:
Do you have the situation of having multiple versions of Access on the
same machines?

If so do you have any problems with having the different versions of DAO
and JET being on the same machines?

JB


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> Foust
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 4:52 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] DAO Version
>
>
> Jet 3.51
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:33 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] DAO Version
>
>
> Charlotte:
> Just out of curioustiy which version of JET are you using for A97?
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri May 30 12:16:34 2003
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 10:16:34 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
Message-ID: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312003@infoserver01.infostat.local>

I'd like to know where you could get it that cheap as well.  We have the
action pack for our office, but for my own purposes, it doesn't compute.
<g>  I've never been able to bring myself to mortgage the farm for an
MSDN Universal subscription, but I might go for half the "discounted"
price.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 7:07 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online


OK Jim, where'd you get it that cheap?

Every year for the last 4 years I've been hashing out around $1800 for
MSDN Universal but this year I broke the habit. My disk collection has
now stopped growing at exponential rates ;o)

For $800-900 I would do it again though.

What's an Action Pack and how much is it?

JB



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 7:47 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> You guys should just get a MSDN subscription.  If you do a little 
> shopping around, a universal subscription can be gotten for $800 - 
> $900.  And yes, it's legit and not an academic subscription.
>
>   By getting that and a Action Pack subscription, I have access to 
> just about everything that Microsoft makes.  The only thing excluded 
> is some of the higher end Enterprise stuff, which I don't get into.
>
> Jim Dettman
> President,
> Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> (315) 699-3443
> jimdettman at earthlink.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R 
> Mattys
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 8:40 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> I did "a Google" on the first and second cds and found them on an FTP 
> site but the third one could not be found anywhere.
>
> Michael R. Mattys
> www.mattysconsulting.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 7:31 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> > I guess I wasn't quick enough. They seem to be gone now. I'm
> getting page
> > not found.
> >
> > Arthur
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Keith L. Kovala
> > Sent: May 29, 2003 12:58 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
> >
> >
> > Must be something between you and MickeySoft..... 2.5MB/Sec here.
> >
> > Keith Kovala
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:38 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
> >
> >
> > Thanks for this.  I am downloading now.
> >
> > For some odd reason I am only getting about 180 kbytes / sec
> today!  This
> > could take awhile.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John 
> > Bartow
> > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:25 PM
> > To: AccessD
> > Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
> >
> >
> > I saw this in Woody's Office Watch and I thought some of you might 
> > be interested...
> >
> > from WOW 8.18:
> >
> > 6. BURNING MSDN CDS
> > Last month I told all of you programmers that Microsoft has posted 
> > the
> April
> > 2003 MSDN CDs, and you can get all three of them free for the
> downloading.
> > Those CDs include an enormous amount of information on Visual Studio
> 2003 -
> > it's the required reference for those of you willing to make
> the leap from
> > VBA to VB (or C) .NET.
> >
> > The CD images are at:
> >
> >
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-80
> 45-56619af
> > 95835/qtr40enud1.img
> >
> >
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-80
> 45-56619af
> > 95835/qtr40enud2.img
> >
> >
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-80
> 45-56619af
> > 95835/qtr40enud3.img
> >
> > One teensy-tiny problem. The CDs are in ISO image format -
> so-called .IMG
> > files - and you may have problems burning those files to a CD.
> >
> > WOWser TP writes: "To get the files to CD you need a program like
> "undisker"
> > found at http://www.undisker.com. This software will open and view 
> > the contents much like standard Zip file software and write the 
> > contents to
> the
> > CD drive. I only used the time limited shareware version of
> "undisker" but
> > the software worked very well and I am considering the purchase of 
> > the
> full
> > version.
> >
> > One thing you will need to know is the Volume label that needs to be

> > on
> the
> > CD. I am pretty sure that it is the name of the file without the
> extension.
> > Without the correct volume name the CD's will not load."
> >
> >
> > from WOW 8.19:
> >
> > 7. BURNING .IMG CDS
> > Last week I told you about WOWser TP's travails trying to get the
> downloaded
> > April 2003 MSDN CD images burned to CD. He used Undisker, and it 
> > worked fine.
> >
> > WOWser IW notes that he was able to burn the MSDN CDs by simply 
> > changing
> the
> > file name extension from .IMG to .ISO, and then using Nero (on a 
> > Windows 2000 machine). WOWser RC did the same thing and had no 
> > problem with
> Windows
> > XP's native file burner.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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From jimdettman at earthlink.net  Fri May 30 12:45:12 2003
From: jimdettman at earthlink.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 13:45:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312003@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <NEBBKADGELICHEJJCKGKAEPGGGAA.jimdettman@earthlink.net>

Charlotte/John,

  I got it through a fellow on the Profox developers list (Victor Campos).
He referred me to:

Sheldon Scheu
AKS Web Services, LLC
8202 Tamarack Trail, Suite 100
Eden Prairie, MN  55347

Phone: (952) 210-5523

www.akswebservices.com

e-mail is: sheldon at akswebservices.com

  The price I received at the time was $1055.  Then I applied for the DVD
rebate which lowered the price $200.  It was all done via e-mail (although I
was given a phone number I could call if I wanted to) and was very painless.
Several list members bought at the same time as well and none had problems.
I was a bit suspicious of the whole thing and called Microsoft  myself to
verify that my subscription was legit and check to make sure that my
remaining months would be carried over.  No problems there either.

  A few months after my purchase, several of the list members posted that
they were getting it between $800 - $900 from various places without doing
the rebate thing.  Most were advertising on E Bay.  I can do a little more
digging if anyone is really interested.

  But even at $1055, it was hard to pass up.  Just with actively developing
in Access and Foxpro, I was sending more then that just keeping up with each
and having a MSDN professional subscription.  Now I have access to just
about everything.

John:"What's an Action Pack and how much is it?"

  It's software and tools designed to help sell Microsoft products.  There
are various levels of subscriptions.  See:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q312310

 For more details.


Jim Dettman
President,
Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
(315) 699-3443
jimdettman at earthlink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 1:17 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online


I'd like to know where you could get it that cheap as well.  We have the
action pack for our office, but for my own purposes, it doesn't compute.
<g>  I've never been able to bring myself to mortgage the farm for an
MSDN Universal subscription, but I might go for half the "discounted"
price.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 7:07 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online


OK Jim, where'd you get it that cheap?

Every year for the last 4 years I've been hashing out around $1800 for
MSDN Universal but this year I broke the habit. My disk collection has
now stopped growing at exponential rates ;o)

For $800-900 I would do it again though.

What's an Action Pack and how much is it?

JB



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 7:47 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> You guys should just get a MSDN subscription.  If you do a little
> shopping around, a universal subscription can be gotten for $800 -
> $900.  And yes, it's legit and not an academic subscription.
>
>   By getting that and a Action Pack subscription, I have access to
> just about everything that Microsoft makes.  The only thing excluded
> is some of the higher end Enterprise stuff, which I don't get into.
>
> Jim Dettman
> President,
> Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> (315) 699-3443
> jimdettman at earthlink.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R
> Mattys
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 8:40 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> I did "a Google" on the first and second cds and found them on an FTP
> site but the third one could not be found anywhere.
>
> Michael R. Mattys
> www.mattysconsulting.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 7:31 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> > I guess I wasn't quick enough. They seem to be gone now. I'm
> getting page
> > not found.
> >
> > Arthur
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Keith L. Kovala
> > Sent: May 29, 2003 12:58 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
> >
> >
> > Must be something between you and MickeySoft..... 2.5MB/Sec here.
> >
> > Keith Kovala
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:38 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
> >
> >
> > Thanks for this.  I am downloading now.
> >
> > For some odd reason I am only getting about 180 kbytes / sec
> today!  This
> > could take awhile.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John
> > Bartow
> > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:25 PM
> > To: AccessD
> > Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
> >
> >
> > I saw this in Woody's Office Watch and I thought some of you might
> > be interested...
> >
> > from WOW 8.18:
> >
> > 6. BURNING MSDN CDS
> > Last month I told all of you programmers that Microsoft has posted
> > the
> April
> > 2003 MSDN CDs, and you can get all three of them free for the
> downloading.
> > Those CDs include an enormous amount of information on Visual Studio
> 2003 -
> > it's the required reference for those of you willing to make
> the leap from
> > VBA to VB (or C) .NET.
> >
> > The CD images are at:
> >
> >
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-80
> 45-56619af
> > 95835/qtr40enud1.img
> >
> >
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-80
> 45-56619af
> > 95835/qtr40enud2.img
> >
> >
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-80
> 45-56619af
> > 95835/qtr40enud3.img
> >
> > One teensy-tiny problem. The CDs are in ISO image format -
> so-called .IMG
> > files - and you may have problems burning those files to a CD.
> >
> > WOWser TP writes: "To get the files to CD you need a program like
> "undisker"
> > found at http://www.undisker.com. This software will open and view
> > the contents much like standard Zip file software and write the
> > contents to
> the
> > CD drive. I only used the time limited shareware version of
> "undisker" but
> > the software worked very well and I am considering the purchase of
> > the
> full
> > version.
> >
> > One thing you will need to know is the Volume label that needs to be

> > on
> the
> > CD. I am pretty sure that it is the name of the file without the
> extension.
> > Without the correct volume name the CD's will not load."
> >
> >
> > from WOW 8.19:
> >
> > 7. BURNING .IMG CDS
> > Last week I told you about WOWser TP's travails trying to get the
> downloaded
> > April 2003 MSDN CD images burned to CD. He used Undisker, and it
> > worked fine.
> >
> > WOWser IW notes that he was able to burn the MSDN CDs by simply
> > changing
> the
> > file name extension from .IMG to .ISO, and then using Nero (on a
> > Windows 2000 machine). WOWser RC did the same thing and had no
> > problem with
> Windows
> > XP's native file burner.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> >
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From jim.hale at fleetpride.com  Fri May 30 12:49:49 2003
From: jim.hale at fleetpride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 12:49:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Saving Query From VB6 into Access
Message-ID: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF873061770B4@corp-es00>

Another posibility is to store the SQL string in a table in the Access
database and retrieve and execute the string as needed.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 10:02 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Saving Query From VB6 into Access


You don't ordinarily save queries in back end databases, but you can add
a query to the catalog (ADOX) or querydef (DAO) object to the Access
database programmatically using the SQL you have created.  Which kind of
connection are you using?  The code differs quite radically between the
two.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: paul.hartland at fsmail.net [mailto:paul.hartland at fsmail.net] 
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 12:20 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com; dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Saving Query From VB6 into Access


To all,

I'm sure I have either done this before or have heard it can be done.  I
have a Visual Basic 6 front-end which links to an Access back-end, what
I want to do is build a SQL select statement on the fly in VB6 (I have
got this far), and then I need to save it as a query into the Access
database.

Anyone have any ideas on how I go about this.....

Thanks in advance.

Paul 

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From jim.hale at fleetpride.com  Fri May 30 12:54:21 2003
From: jim.hale at fleetpride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 12:54:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
Message-ID: <869379ABF177D4118D3100508B5EF873061770B6@corp-es00>

Ebay
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Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte Foust [mailto:cfoust at infostatsystems.com]
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 12:17 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online


I'd like to know where you could get it that cheap as well.  We have the
action pack for our office, but for my own purposes, it doesn't compute.
<g>  I've never been able to bring myself to mortgage the farm for an
MSDN Universal subscription, but I might go for half the "discounted"
price.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net] 
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 7:07 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online


OK Jim, where'd you get it that cheap?

Every year for the last 4 years I've been hashing out around $1800 for
MSDN Universal but this year I broke the habit. My disk collection has
now stopped growing at exponential rates ;o)

For $800-900 I would do it again though.

What's an Action Pack and how much is it?

JB



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 7:47 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> You guys should just get a MSDN subscription.  If you do a little 
> shopping around, a universal subscription can be gotten for $800 - 
> $900.  And yes, it's legit and not an academic subscription.
>
>   By getting that and a Action Pack subscription, I have access to 
> just about everything that Microsoft makes.  The only thing excluded 
> is some of the higher end Enterprise stuff, which I don't get into.
>
> Jim Dettman
> President,
> Online Computer Services of WNY, Inc.
> (315) 699-3443
> jimdettman at earthlink.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Michael R 
> Mattys
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 8:40 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> I did "a Google" on the first and second cds and found them on an FTP 
> site but the third one could not be found anywhere.
>
> Michael R. Mattys
> www.mattysconsulting.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur Fuller" <artful at rogers.com>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 7:31 AM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
>
>
> > I guess I wasn't quick enough. They seem to be gone now. I'm
> getting page
> > not found.
> >
> > Arthur
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Keith L. Kovala
> > Sent: May 29, 2003 12:58 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
> >
> >
> > Must be something between you and MickeySoft..... 2.5MB/Sec here.
> >
> > Keith Kovala
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John Colby
> > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:38 AM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
> >
> >
> > Thanks for this.  I am downloading now.
> >
> > For some odd reason I am only getting about 180 kbytes / sec
> today!  This
> > could take awhile.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.colbyconsulting.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of John 
> > Bartow
> > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:25 PM
> > To: AccessD
> > Subject: [AccessD] MSDN cds online
> >
> >
> > I saw this in Woody's Office Watch and I thought some of you might 
> > be interested...
> >
> > from WOW 8.18:
> >
> > 6. BURNING MSDN CDS
> > Last month I told all of you programmers that Microsoft has posted 
> > the
> April
> > 2003 MSDN CDs, and you can get all three of them free for the
> downloading.
> > Those CDs include an enormous amount of information on Visual Studio
> 2003 -
> > it's the required reference for those of you willing to make
> the leap from
> > VBA to VB (or C) .NET.
> >
> > The CD images are at:
> >
> >
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-80
> 45-56619af
> > 95835/qtr40enud1.img
> >
> >
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-80
> 45-56619af
> > 95835/qtr40enud2.img
> >
> >
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/b/d/c/bdccea1b-96d9-4ad9-80
> 45-56619af
> > 95835/qtr40enud3.img
> >
> > One teensy-tiny problem. The CDs are in ISO image format -
> so-called .IMG
> > files - and you may have problems burning those files to a CD.
> >
> > WOWser TP writes: "To get the files to CD you need a program like
> "undisker"
> > found at http://www.undisker.com. This software will open and view 
> > the contents much like standard Zip file software and write the 
> > contents to
> the
> > CD drive. I only used the time limited shareware version of
> "undisker" but
> > the software worked very well and I am considering the purchase of 
> > the
> full
> > version.
> >
> > One thing you will need to know is the Volume label that needs to be

> > on
> the
> > CD. I am pretty sure that it is the name of the file without the
> extension.
> > Without the correct volume name the CD's will not load."
> >
> >
> > from WOW 8.19:
> >
> > 7. BURNING .IMG CDS
> > Last week I told you about WOWser TP's travails trying to get the
> downloaded
> > April 2003 MSDN CD images burned to CD. He used Undisker, and it 
> > worked fine.
> >
> > WOWser IW notes that he was able to burn the MSDN CDs by simply 
> > changing
> the
> > file name extension from .IMG to .ISO, and then using Nero (on a 
> > Windows 2000 machine). WOWser RC did the same thing and had no 
> > problem with
> Windows
> > XP's native file burner.
> >
> >
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Fri May 30 13:12:24 2003
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: 30 May 2003 19:12:24 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT Charlotte
Message-ID: <200305301812.TAA04852@hosea.qub.ac.uk>

I know I know but this email system they make me use is rubbish.

Charlotte can u email me of list. My address book is stuffed again.

Martin

From john at winhaven.net  Fri May 30 13:59:45 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 13:59:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] DAO Version
In-Reply-To: <E61FC1D4B1918244905B113C680BEA86312002@infoserver01.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <NGBBLIECOMAKBPEDMKEJIECIEJAA.john@winhaven.net>

Charlotte,
And that problem started with A2k, yes?

So, to sum it up, if one installs the DAO and Jet version that is
appropriate for the Access version, then the only problem is with ODBC
drivers and vbe6.dll. Sound right?

JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 12:05 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] DAO Version
>
>
> Yes and no.  I have A97 and OXP on my work machine, and I have A97, O2k
> and AXP on my laptop.  No, I haven't had any problems with Jet and DAO,
> only with the vbe6.dll.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 7:24 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] DAO Version
>
>
> Charlotte:
> Do you have the situation of having multiple versions of Access on the
> same machines?
>
> If so do you have any problems with having the different versions of DAO
> and JET being on the same machines?
>
> JB
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
> > Foust
> > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 4:52 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] DAO Version
> >
> >
> > Jet 3.51
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Bartow [mailto:john at winhaven.net]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:33 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] DAO Version
> >
> >
> > Charlotte:
> > Just out of curioustiy which version of JET are you using for A97?
> >
> >
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From delliker at hotmail.com  Fri May 30 14:01:41 2003
From: delliker at hotmail.com (Don Elliker)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 15:01:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Failure to open database file
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From pblack at hotmail.com  Sat May 31 14:59:44 2003
From: pblack at hotmail.com (Paul Black)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 19:59:44 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Distribution - a bit OT
Message-ID: <Sea2-F64NbvEXOds5Ac00023711@hotmail.com>

Hi

I submitted a proposal to a client this week for a custom application. Their 
nose is a bit bent out of shape because they feel they should be able to 
slap a CD in the drive click the install button and the app will install in 
a nice self-contained thing-a-ma-bob (that is what they said).

Why do we have to have MS Access installed? You don't, I said, I can supply 
a runtime version.

Why do we have to worry about what version of MS Access is installed 
already? We did not ask for MS Access, we asked for a custom computer 
application.

Why do we have to worry about installing a runtime version on a machine with 
Access already on it and causing all kinds of problems (paraphrased)?

Plain and simple they want an app that is a DBS management system but they 
want something that is completely autonomous. What do I do? What would you 
do? I may have already lost this deal but need to prepare for the next time 
this happens.

Do I offer a solution that is all VB or C++ or some such thing or am I 
missing the boat here. Please help.


Thanks

PB

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From john at winhaven.net  Sat May 31 15:28:52 2003
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 15:28:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Distribution - a bit OT
In-Reply-To: <Sea2-F64NbvEXOds5Ac00023711@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBLAKMHEDAKJKENHKIMEOKEHAA.john@winhaven.net>

You will run into this all the time with the know it all (arrogant) IT
types.

First off don't tell them its Access if they don't want to hear it. Its a
"Visual Basic Application which uses a standard Microsoft data file for
storage. Give the app an icon using the tools | startup options menu options
and hide everything else.

Secondly, everything they want as far as installation demands can be done if
you use a Wise or Install shield installation with the help of Sage Key
scripts. This has been discussed a lot in the archives so I won't go into
it.

If they make a point of that you are not to use Access for anything jack the
price up about triple and do it in VB or 1000% and do it in C++

HTH
JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Paul Black
> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 3:00 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Distribution - a bit OT
>
>
> Hi
>
> I submitted a proposal to a client this week for a custom
> application. Their
> nose is a bit bent out of shape because they feel they should be able to
> slap a CD in the drive click the install button and the app will
> install in
> a nice self-contained thing-a-ma-bob (that is what they said).
>
> Why do we have to have MS Access installed? You don't, I said, I
> can supply
> a runtime version.
>
> Why do we have to worry about what version of MS Access is installed
> already? We did not ask for MS Access, we asked for a custom computer
> application.
>
> Why do we have to worry about installing a runtime version on a
> machine with
> Access already on it and causing all kinds of problems (paraphrased)?
>
> Plain and simple they want an app that is a DBS management system
> but they
> want something that is completely autonomous. What do I do? What
> would you
> do? I may have already lost this deal but need to prepare for the
> next time
> this happens.
>
> Do I offer a solution that is all VB or C++ or some such thing or am I
> missing the boat here. Please help.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> PB
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat May 31 15:40:57 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 16:40:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Distribution - a bit OT
In-Reply-To: <Sea2-F64NbvEXOds5Ac00023711@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEOADOAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

Even a vb or C++ app has to store the data somewhere.  Is that going to be
an mdb?  If so Jet has to be installed.

As another lister said, a "slap a CD in and install" is possible, and it
will NOT interfere with any other versions, if you use the sagekey etc
stuff.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Paul Black
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 4:00 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Distribution - a bit OT


Hi

I submitted a proposal to a client this week for a custom application. Their
nose is a bit bent out of shape because they feel they should be able to
slap a CD in the drive click the install button and the app will install in
a nice self-contained thing-a-ma-bob (that is what they said).

Why do we have to have MS Access installed? You don't, I said, I can supply
a runtime version.

Why do we have to worry about what version of MS Access is installed
already? We did not ask for MS Access, we asked for a custom computer
application.

Why do we have to worry about installing a runtime version on a machine with
Access already on it and causing all kinds of problems (paraphrased)?

Plain and simple they want an app that is a DBS management system but they
want something that is completely autonomous. What do I do? What would you
do? I may have already lost this deal but need to prepare for the next time
this happens.

Do I offer a solution that is all VB or C++ or some such thing or am I
missing the boat here. Please help.


Thanks

PB

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From artful at rogers.com  Sat May 31 17:15:02 2003
From: artful at rogers.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 18:15:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Distribution - a bit OT
In-Reply-To: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPOEOADOAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00e301c327c2$14cfd790$8e01a8c0@Rock>

I have only created two installations with the Developer stuff, and neither
needed any fancy DLL installs or anything outside Access, but the rest was
relatively simple, including installing MSDE and then restoring a database
to said installation. The code to restore the db took the longest time of
all the processes, but it ended up at about 50 lines of code.

Sage and Wise doubtless have their place, but if you're not calling DLLs
etc. I frankly don't see the need for them. The built-in stuff does
everything I needed: create a directory, copy everything required into it,
create a setup program that installs everything in the user-selected
directory, then run a program (in my case a batch file) to do everything
else that's necessary.

Arthur

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Colby
Sent: May 31, 2003 4:41 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Distribution - a bit OT


Even a vb or C++ app has to store the data somewhere.  Is that going to be
an mdb?  If so Jet has to be installed.

As another lister said, a "slap a CD in and install" is possible, and it
will NOT interfere with any other versions, if you use the sagekey etc
stuff.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Paul Black
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 4:00 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Distribution - a bit OT


Hi

I submitted a proposal to a client this week for a custom application. Their
nose is a bit bent out of shape because they feel they should be able to
slap a CD in the drive click the install button and the app will install in
a nice self-contained thing-a-ma-bob (that is what they said).

Why do we have to have MS Access installed? You don't, I said, I can supply
a runtime version.

Why do we have to worry about what version of MS Access is installed
already? We did not ask for MS Access, we asked for a custom computer
application.

Why do we have to worry about installing a runtime version on a machine with
Access already on it and causing all kinds of problems (paraphrased)?

Plain and simple they want an app that is a DBS management system but they
want something that is completely autonomous. What do I do? What would you
do? I may have already lost this deal but need to prepare for the next time
this happens.

Do I offer a solution that is all VB or C++ or some such thing or am I
missing the boat here. Please help.


Thanks

PB

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Sat May 31 17:55:47 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 17:55:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Distribution - a bit OT
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802226CB7@main2.marlow.com>

Paul, the problem you ran into was something that should occur at the
beginning of a job proposal.  If they don't want Access, you have two
options.  Sell it to them.  That can be pretty difficult, but it's not
necessarily impossible.  Explain the benefits, etc.  Two, build it in
something else.  Personally, I develop a lot of stuff in VB just as fast as
I would in Access, or at least close.  

The big clash with Access is solved with VB.  Installing a runtime version
of Access 97 will definitely clash with a previous installation of Access 2k
or XP, or any future version.  That gives your Access applications a smudge,
a special consideration smudge.  Since bound applications can be built
extremely fast in Access, the development expense should outway that issue.

VB does not have the compatibility issue.  Installing VB 5.0 applications on
a machine that VB 6 applications have no issue, same with .Net.  So you can
install it and walk away.  The only issue you may have is if a future OS
does not support VB applications...but that is a long time away.  VB can use
.mdb's through ADO or DAO, which install on their own.  Newer ADO/DAO
versions can use previous .mdb versions, so that isn't an issue either.

Drew 

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Black
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: 5/31/03 2:59 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Distribution - a bit OT

Hi

I submitted a proposal to a client this week for a custom application.
Their 
nose is a bit bent out of shape because they feel they should be able to

slap a CD in the drive click the install button and the app will install
in 
a nice self-contained thing-a-ma-bob (that is what they said).

Why do we have to have MS Access installed? You don't, I said, I can
supply 
a runtime version.

Why do we have to worry about what version of MS Access is installed 
already? We did not ask for MS Access, we asked for a custom computer 
application.

Why do we have to worry about installing a runtime version on a machine
with 
Access already on it and causing all kinds of problems (paraphrased)?

Plain and simple they want an app that is a DBS management system but
they 
want something that is completely autonomous. What do I do? What would
you 
do? I may have already lost this deal but need to prepare for the next
time 
this happens.

Do I offer a solution that is all VB or C++ or some such thing or am I 
missing the boat here. Please help.


Thanks

PB

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From DWUTKA at marlow.com  Sat May 31 17:57:45 2003
From: DWUTKA at marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 17:57:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Distribution - a bit OT
Message-ID: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802226CB8@main2.marlow.com>

It is NOT a Visual Basic Application though.  Installing a VB application
will not affect other installed software (unless you write you're own .dll's
that overwrite common .dll's.).

If I had a user install something that was documented as a 'Visual Basic
Application', but it went and installed a different version of Access, there
would be a lawsuit involved.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: 5/31/03 3:28 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Distribution - a bit OT

You will run into this all the time with the know it all (arrogant) IT
types.

First off don't tell them its Access if they don't want to hear it. Its
a
"Visual Basic Application which uses a standard Microsoft data file for
storage. Give the app an icon using the tools | startup options menu
options
and hide everything else.

Secondly, everything they want as far as installation demands can be
done if
you use a Wise or Install shield installation with the help of Sage Key
scripts. This has been discussed a lot in the archives so I won't go
into
it.

If they make a point of that you are not to use Access for anything jack
the
price up about triple and do it in VB or 1000% and do it in C++

HTH
JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Paul Black
> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 3:00 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Distribution - a bit OT
>
>
> Hi
>
> I submitted a proposal to a client this week for a custom
> application. Their
> nose is a bit bent out of shape because they feel they should be able
to
> slap a CD in the drive click the install button and the app will
> install in
> a nice self-contained thing-a-ma-bob (that is what they said).
>
> Why do we have to have MS Access installed? You don't, I said, I
> can supply
> a runtime version.
>
> Why do we have to worry about what version of MS Access is installed
> already? We did not ask for MS Access, we asked for a custom computer
> application.
>
> Why do we have to worry about installing a runtime version on a
> machine with
> Access already on it and causing all kinds of problems (paraphrased)?
>
> Plain and simple they want an app that is a DBS management system
> but they
> want something that is completely autonomous. What do I do? What
> would you
> do? I may have already lost this deal but need to prepare for the
> next time
> this happens.
>
> Do I offer a solution that is all VB or C++ or some such thing or am I
> missing the boat here. Please help.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> PB
>
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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat May 31 18:13:54 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 19:13:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Distribution - a bit OT
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802226CB8@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <DCEFJAOENMNENLAAOFGPEEOFDOAA.jcolby@colbyconsulting.com>

But if you use the installers, the "different version" is only used by your
app, and isn't even visible to other apps.  It's just "files needed" for
your app.  No need for lawsuits.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 6:58 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com '
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Distribution - a bit OT


It is NOT a Visual Basic Application though.  Installing a VB application
will not affect other installed software (unless you write you're own .dll's
that overwrite common .dll's.).

If I had a user install something that was documented as a 'Visual Basic
Application', but it went and installed a different version of Access, there
would be a lawsuit involved.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bartow
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: 5/31/03 3:28 PM
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Distribution - a bit OT

You will run into this all the time with the know it all (arrogant) IT
types.

First off don't tell them its Access if they don't want to hear it. Its
a
"Visual Basic Application which uses a standard Microsoft data file for
storage. Give the app an icon using the tools | startup options menu
options
and hide everything else.

Secondly, everything they want as far as installation demands can be
done if
you use a Wise or Install shield installation with the help of Sage Key
scripts. This has been discussed a lot in the archives so I won't go
into
it.

If they make a point of that you are not to use Access for anything jack
the
price up about triple and do it in VB or 1000% and do it in C++

HTH
JB

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Paul Black
> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 3:00 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Distribution - a bit OT
>
>
> Hi
>
> I submitted a proposal to a client this week for a custom
> application. Their
> nose is a bit bent out of shape because they feel they should be able
to
> slap a CD in the drive click the install button and the app will
> install in
> a nice self-contained thing-a-ma-bob (that is what they said).
>
> Why do we have to have MS Access installed? You don't, I said, I
> can supply
> a runtime version.
>
> Why do we have to worry about what version of MS Access is installed
> already? We did not ask for MS Access, we asked for a custom computer
> application.
>
> Why do we have to worry about installing a runtime version on a
> machine with
> Access already on it and causing all kinds of problems (paraphrased)?
>
> Plain and simple they want an app that is a DBS management system
> but they
> want something that is completely autonomous. What do I do? What
> would you
> do? I may have already lost this deal but need to prepare for the
> next time
> this happens.
>
> Do I offer a solution that is all VB or C++ or some such thing or am I
> missing the boat here. Please help.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> PB
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat May 31 07:50:56 2003
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence (AccessD))
Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 05:50:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Distribution - a bit OT
In-Reply-To: <2F8793082E00D4119A1700B0D0216BF802226CB7@main2.marlow.com>
Message-ID: <NHBBIIELMLKIEHOOHNNFKEADCJAA.accessd@shaw.ca>

Hi Guys:

The one big problem I have always had converting Access to VB is the Access
automated SubForm interface that is just great with Invoicing systems. With
VB I have found of no easy way to duplicate these feature other than with
brute force programming or getting the client to buy a TB Grid component for
their site.

I have some great interfaces, created, using a combination of
DBgrid/Flexgrids, arrays and lots of programming. Do you have a better way
or is there something I have been over-looking all these years?

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 3:56 PM
To: 'accessd at databaseadvisors.com '
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Distribution - a bit OT


Paul, the problem you ran into was something that should occur at the
beginning of a job proposal.  If they don't want Access, you have two
options.  Sell it to them.  That can be pretty difficult, but it's not
necessarily impossible.  Explain the benefits, etc.  Two, build it in
something else.  Personally, I develop a lot of stuff in VB just as fast as
I would in Access, or at least close.

The big clash with Access is solved with VB.  Installing a runtime version
of Access 97 will definitely clash with a previous installation of Access 2k
or XP, or any future version.  That gives your Access applications a smudge,
a special consideration smudge.  Since bound applications can be built
extremely fast in Access, the development expense should outway that issue.

VB does not have the compatibility issue.  Installing VB 5.0 applications on
a machine that VB 6 applications have no issue, same with .Net.  So you can
install it and walk away.  The only issue you may have is if a future OS
does not support VB applications...but that is a long time away.  VB can use
.mdb's through ADO or DAO, which install on their own.  Newer ADO/DAO
versions can use previous .mdb versions, so that isn't an issue either.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Black
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: 5/31/03 2:59 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Distribution - a bit OT

Hi

I submitted a proposal to a client this week for a custom application.
Their
nose is a bit bent out of shape because they feel they should be able to

slap a CD in the drive click the install button and the app will install
in
a nice self-contained thing-a-ma-bob (that is what they said).

Why do we have to have MS Access installed? You don't, I said, I can
supply
a runtime version.

Why do we have to worry about what version of MS Access is installed
already? We did not ask for MS Access, we asked for a custom computer
application.

Why do we have to worry about installing a runtime version on a machine
with
Access already on it and causing all kinds of problems (paraphrased)?

Plain and simple they want an app that is a DBS management system but
they
want something that is completely autonomous. What do I do? What would
you
do? I may have already lost this deal but need to prepare for the next
time
this happens.

Do I offer a solution that is all VB or C++ or some such thing or am I
missing the boat here. Please help.


Thanks

PB

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