[AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at bellsouth.net>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 3:25 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization


> ...did we ever get a dba-Visio list started? ...is there enough interest in
> one to make it worthwhile?
> 
> William Hindman
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 9:14 PM
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
> 
> 
> > Charlotte:
> >
> > Thank you for that little tip.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
> > Foust
> > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:55 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
> >
> >
> > I've maintained network data using Visio in the past, if that applies.
> > Be careful about numeric values though because unless you do a lot of
> > careful tweaking to your Visio FE shapes' properties, you'll wind up
> > with doubles in the BE, whether that's what you wanted or not.  As you
> > might expect, doubles aren't terribly useful for MAC addresses, etc..
> > <G>
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jim Lawrence (AccessD) [mailto:accessd at shaw.ca]
> > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 1:33 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
> >
> >
> > William:
> >
> > Not I, but I have used it on a MS SQL a few times, it finds the schema,
> > displays the structure and fields, I make a few changes, upload and
> > amazingly the DB and data is still there after all is said and done.
> > Works like the BackEnd Upgrader (BEU) from Bryan Carbonnell, Reuben
> > Cummings and Andy Lacey but for SQL.
> >
> > I didn't know it could be used as a FE user interface... I would like to
> > hear more.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of William
> > Hindman
> > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 2:08 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Visio w/Access Normalization
> >
> >
> > Jim...anyone
> >
> > ...I'm just now really getting into Visio ...has anyone here integrated
> > it with Access in an application? ...my intent is to use it as the
> > primary user interface with a tradeshow booth booking app and I'm
> > looking for anyone who's done something similar.
> >
> > William Hindman
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jim Lawrence (AccessD)" <accessd at shaw.ca>
> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:02 PM
> > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization
> >
> >
> > > Hi Arthur:
> > >
> > > What do you think of MS Viso as a design tools?
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur
> > > Fuller
> > > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 5:16 AM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access Normalization
> > >
> > >
> > > Great concept, a normalization tool!
> > >
> > > "Yo, dumbass, these columns should be a related table, click OK to
> > overrule
> > > yo dumbass design, foo!" :-)
> > >
> > > AFAIK no one has built it yet.
> > >
> > > I'm a big fan of database-design tools such as Erwin, PowerDesigner
> > > and
> > (my
> > > fave lately) DeZign, which costs 1/10 of the price of the
> > > aforementioned
> > and
> > > delivers almost all their functionality. Said tools can inhale a db
> > > and
> > turn
> > > it into a model and let you remodel it and then exhale a db to a list
> > > of targets, automatically converting data types etc. You can inhale
> > > Access
> > and
> > > exhale MySQL if that's what you want, or Oracle or DB2 or MS-SQL or
> > Sybase.
> > >
> > > When I work on a new project, I spend a lot of time in DeZign before
> > writing
> > > a line of code. When I work on an existing project, first thing I do
> > > is import it into DeZign. It vaguely resembles the Access
> > > Relationships
> > window
> > > but offers many more benefits, most notably Domains.
> > >
> > > (I own no shares in this company; I'm just a satisfied user.)
> > >
> > > Back to your question. If the db Admins have not granted her
> > > sufficient privs to export definitions then there is no simple way
> > > around it. She is asking either for hacker tools or for increased
> > > privs.
> > >
> > > Secondly, why export table definitions to Excel? Why not simple ascii
> > files
> > > that you can run in QA to rebuild structures?
> > >
> > > Arthur
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gale Perez
> > > Sent: May 8, 2003 6:46 PM
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Access Normalization
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello!
> > >
> > > I haven't posted for quite a while (have been working
> > > in Oracle, am now doing project management and working
> > > on some Access tracking DBs).  It's nice to be back
> > > and see familiar names :)
> > >
> > > Is there a way to export Access table definitions into
> > > Excel or into a normalization tool (we're using
> > > Brackets)?  I'm asking on someone else's behalf and
> > > she has tried Export but gets the message that she
> > > doesn't have permissions (it's not a secured
> > > database).  Can you access the data dictionary with
> > > SQL statements?
> > >
> > > Thank you for any assistance,
> > > Gale
> > >
> > >
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